[CALL TO ORDER] [00:00:07] >>> IT IS 4:00 P.M. COULD YOU PLEASE TAKE YOUR SEATS? I DON'T KNOW WHERE TROY IS . WE WILL BEGIN THIS EVENING WITH THE INVOCATION BY COMMISSIONER CELLA . >> IF I COULD GET EVERYBODY TO STAND, PLEASE . YOU ARE CERTAINLY WELCOME TO JOIN IN WITH US. >> LET'S BOW OUR HEADS IN PRAYER. HEAVENLY FATHER, WE COME BEFORE YOU WITH THANKFUL HEARTS FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SERVE THIS COMMUNITY. WE ASK FOR YOUR WISDOM TO GUIDE OUR DISCUSSIONS AND DECISIONS, THAT WE MAY ALWAYS SEEK WHAT IS BEST FOR THOSE WHO WE SERVE. GRANT US THE COURAGE TO STAND FOR WHAT IS RIGHT AND THE STRENGTH TO NAVIGATE THE CHALLENGES AHEAD. WE PRAY FOR UNITY AMONG US. MAY WE WORK IN HARMONY, ALWAYS REMEMBERING THAT OUR COLLECTIVE EFFORTS HAVE THE POWER TO MAKE A LASTING AND POSITIVE IMPACT. WE ASK THAT YOU BLESS OUR FIRST RESPONDERS, OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT, OUR FIRE RESCUE TEAMS, AND OUR MILITARY PERSONNEL TO PROTECT THEM AS THEY GO ABOUT THEIR DUTIES AND MAY THEY ALWAYS FEEL YOUR PRESENCE BESIDE THEM. WE ARE GRATEFUL FOR THEIR SERVICE AND SACRIFICE. LORD, WE TRUST IN YOUR GUIDANCE AND WE THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITIES TO SERVE HERE CAN YOUR NAME, WE PRAY, AMEN. >> THIS AFTERNOON WE ARE HONORED TO HAVE ONE OF OUR VETERANS HERE TO JOIN US THIS EVENING. CHIEF WARRANT OFFICER RICHARD N. SCHAEFER. HE WILL BE LEADING THE PLEDGE TONIGHT, BUT I WANT TO READ A LITTLE BIT ABOUT A BIO. HE SERVED NINE YEARS OF ARMY ACTIVE DUTY IN 23 YEARS IN THE ARMY RESERVE FOR A TOTAL OF 33 YEARS. THAT IS A FAIR PIECE SERVICE TO OUR COUNTRY BEFORE HE RETIRED IN 2005. HE WAS STATIONED IN SEVERAL OCCASIONS INCLUDING FORT CAMPBELL, KENTUCKY, FORT RUCKER, ALABAMA. KOREA AND JAPAN. SCHAEFER WAS GOING TO BE A CANDIDATE FOR MILITARY INTELLIGENCE TRAINING AND TO FLY IN THE ONLY ONE, THE MOHAWK. IT IS A LITTL TURBOPROP TWIN ENGINE I THINK, A PREDECESSOR TO THE OVI 10, I THINK. SO AS AN OPERATOR HE FLEW IN A COLD WAR MISSION AGAINST THE SOVIET UNION WHERE HE WAS INTERCEPTED TWICE BY THE MAKE 21'S. >> THOSE GUYS. AFTER BEING PROMOTED TO SERGEANT HE APPLIED TO ARMY FLIGHT SCHOOL AND WAS ACCEPTED AND LATER ASSIGNED TO THE 101ST AIRBORNE DIVISION. HE LATER BECAME AN INSTRUCTOR PILOT WHICH ADDED TO THE MANY OF HIS ACCOMPLISHMENTS. HE JOINED THE MILITARY TO SERVE HIS COUNTRY AND DURING HIS SERVICE, HE LEARNED THAT HIS WORK WOULD BE A CHALLENGE AND THE OUTCOME WOULD NOT BE ASSURED, BUT IT TAUGHT HIM TO WORK HARD, STUDY, AND ALWAYS LOOK FOR IMPROVEMENT. HE IS A DECORATED VETERAN, HOLDING MILITARY SERVICE MEDALS FOR VALOR FROM THE COMMISSIONER OF THE U.S. CUSTOMS SERVICE, TWO VALOR AWARDS IN THE REPUBLIC OF INDONESIA, ARMY ACCOMMODATION MEDAL, NATIONAL DEFENSE MEDAL, AND SEVERAL OTHER VIRAL AWARDS FROM VARIOUS OTHER ORGANIZATIONS WHILE FLYING AIRCRAFT. ONE OF HIS FAVORITE SERVICE MEMORIES WAS HAVING THE OPPORTUNITY TO FLY EDIFACT FOR AIM LEVEL ONE TRAUMA CENTER AND GOING ON TO BECOME A U.S. CUSTOMS PILOT IN COUNTER DRUG AND COUNTERTERRORIST OPERATIONS THROUGHOUT THE WESTERN HEMISPHERE. HE RETIRED AS A DIRECTOR OF THE NATIONAL AIR SECURITY OPERATIONS CENTER IN COCOA BEACH, FLORIDA, AND WITH THAT, THE DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY, AND LEGION AND THE CLAY COUNTY ELECTIONS OFFICE. WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME IN THE MILITARY, TIME FOR YOUR COUNTRY, AND TIME FOR YOUR COMMUNITY. WITHOUT FURTHER ADO, IF YOU COULD LEAD US IN THE PLEDGE. >> I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION, UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. >> THE MICROPHONE IS YOURS. >> I WON'T BORE YOU LONG. IT IS JUST A QUICK THING THAT I WANTED TO THANK THE COMMISSIONER AND THE CITY COUNCIL FOR CREATING THE VETERANS SERVICES DEPARTMENT THAT YOU HAVE OVER ON COLLINS STREET, AND A SHOUT OUT TO RICHARD KERRY, LESLIE WEST, POLISARIO . THOSE GUYS , FROM THE TO MSM, HELPED ME. ALMOST IMMEDIATELY. I HAVE SENT SOME FRIENDS DOWN THERE AND THEY HAVE ACTUALLY SOLVED THEIR PROBLEMS ON THE PHONE WITHIN 30 [00:05:01] MINUTES. THESE GUYS ARE CHASING THINGS ALL THE TIME AND THESE GUYS JUST PAY -- PICKING RIGHT UP. THEY ARE VERY JOYFUL AND THEY KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING, AND THEY HELP YOU. LASTLY , VETERANS, TO BE ABLE TO TAKE THIS PLEDGE OR GO PLACES AND DO GOOD THINGS FOR THE COMMUNITY AS A PRIVILEGE TO US. LESS THAN 1% OF THE UNITED STATES SERVES IN THE MILITARY NOW . EVERY TIME YOU SEE A VETERAN, YOU ARE GOING TO GET A GUY OR GAL THAT IS TRAINED , THAT WENT THROUGH COURSES THAT YOU GET ACCEPTED TO BUT YOU MAY NOT NECESSARILY PASS. YOU'VE GOT TO STAND UP TO THAT STUFF AND GET THROUGH IT AND ACHIEVE WHAT YOU ARE AFTER, AND THEN WHEN THEY GO BACK OUT INTO THE WORLD, THEY BECOME POLICE OFFICERS. THEY BECOME FIREMEN, PARAMEDICS , SERVANTS TO THE COMMUNITY . CAN YOU GET A LOT MORE OUT OF A VETERAN OVER THE YEARS . AND SOMETIMES THESE GUYS , THEY GET HURT MY GUYS AND GALS GET HURT , AND THEY DON'T KNOW THEY ARE HURT UNTIL MANY YEARS LATER, AND THAT IS WHERE THESE PEOPLE COME IN HERE SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> I AM GLAD TO SEE YOU ARE WEARING GREEN TODAY, SIMPLY BECAUSE WE ARE CELEBRATING THE NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF COUNTIES GREEN LIGHT FOR VETERANS MONTH. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR ATTENDING TONIGHT. THANK YOU. WE WILL CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER WITH ROLLCALL. I SEE FIVE OF US OUR HERE, SO I [PET ADOPTIONS] THINK EVERYBODY IS PRESENT. WE WILL HAVE A QUORUM AND WE WILL MOVE ON TO PET ADOPTIONS. >> OKAY. OUR FIRST DOG TODAY IS TIANA, MIXED BREED, FIVE YEARS OLD AND WEIGHS 45 POUNDS. HE TIANA THIS ENERGETIC RENT IS IN TOP FORM LOVES PEOPLE , WOKS, AND TREATS. SHE IS GAVE HER A CONFIDENT CANINE COMPANION WHO CAN HANDLE HER EXCITEMENT. WITH PATIENCE AND PROPER INTRODUCTION, SHE'S SHOWS PROMISE IN FINDING A DOG FRIEND WHO LIKES HER TO BE IN CHARGE. VISIT TIANA AT HER KENNEL AND SEE IF SHE IS A PERFECT FIT FOR YOUR FAMILY. NEXT WE HAVE DEXTER, A NEUTERED MALE NEXT BREED, SIX YEARS OLD, 55 POUNDS BIG MEET DEXTER, A LIVELY 6-YEAR-OLD DOG WHO ENJOYS CHILDREN AND BRINGS JOY TO EVERY HOUSEHOLD. HOUSETRAINED AND WELL MANNERED, DEXTER IS A MODEL CANINE CITIZEN. HIS PLAYFUL SPIRIT SHINES BRIGHTEST WHEN HE IS PLAYING WITH OTHER DOGS, MAKING FRIENDS WHEREVER HE GOES. DEXTER'S FRIENDLY AND ENERGETIC MAJOR MAKES HIM THE PERFECT COMPANION FOR FAMILY FUN. OUR FIRST CAT IS BERT, NEUTERED MALE, DOMESTIC SHORTHAIR FOR FOUR YEARS OLD AND WEIGHS EIGHT POUNDS. WARNING, THIS CATS ADORABLE FACE AND CHARMING PERSONALITY MAY CAUSE EXCESSIVE CUDDLING AND A STRONG DESIRE TO TAKE 1 MILLION PHOTOS HERE FOR IS A BLACK AND WHITE CAT WITH A FLAIR FOR DRAMA AND I LOVE FOR BEING THE CENTER OF ATTENTION. WHEN HE IS NOT BUSY NAPPING OR EATING TREATS, HE IS STRIKING A POSE. ADOPT HIM AND GET READY FOR A LIFETIME SUPPLY OF LAUGHS, STRUGGLES AND PERFECTLY HILARIOUS MOMENTS. LASTLY WE HAVE BANDED , SPAYED FEMALE, DOMESTIC SHORTHAIR, TOO -- TWO YEARS OLD. ME BANDIT, AND ABSOLUTELY AMAZING CAT WHO WILL ACTIVATE YOUR HEART. THIS STUNNING FEMALE FELINE IS A TRIPLE THREAT. PLAYFUL, AFFECTIONATE, AND ADORABLE. SHE LOVES CHILDREN AND WILL KEEP THEM GIGGLING WITH HER SILLY ANTICS. NO DOGS, PLEASE, BUT IF YOU ARE READY FOR A LOYAL FELINE COMPANION WHO WILL BRING JOY AND LOVE INTO YOUR LIFE, BANDIT IS YOUR PERFECT MATCH. WE ARE STILL IN NEED OF FOSTER PARENTS FOR DOGS, CATS, AND KITTENS. PLEASE CONSIDER OPENING YOUR HOME TEMPORARILY. IF YOU ARE INTERESTED, YOU CAN CONTACT US AT PLAY FOSTERS AT CLAYCOUNTYGOV.COM, AND IF YOU'RE INTERESTED IN HELPING OUR FURRY FRIENDS AND CAN'T BRING ONE HOME, LOOK AT THE AMAZON WISH LIST. JUST GO TO AMAZON.COM. THAT COMPLETES OUR PET ADOPTIONS. >> I HAVE TO ADMIT, BERT HAS SOME HORROR MOVIE EYES. MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS, JOIN ME IN FRONT OF THE DAIS FOR A SPECIAL STAFF RECOGNITION. [Mike Cella] >> THIS AFTERNOON, WE HAVE THE SPECIAL HONOR OF, I WAS GOING TO SAY CELEBRATING, BUT WE AREN'T GOING TO CELEBRATE. WE ARE GOING TO COMMEMORATE MIKE CELLA'S LAST MEETING WITH THE COMMISSION . HE INITIALLY WAS ELECTED IN 2016 TO REPRESENT DISTRICT 1 , WHICH CHANGED A FEW TIMES OVER THE YEARS. HE RAN UNOPPOSED IN 2020, AND IS CURRENTLY SERVING HIS SECOND, FINISHING HIS FINAL, HIS SECOND TERM AND FINAL TERM ON THE [00:10:04] BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS. HE SERVED AS CHAIRMAN OF BCC IN 2020 AND 2022. HE HAS ALSO SERVED TWICE AND IS CURRENTLY SERVING AS THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS VICE CHAIR . HE IS PRESENTLY THE CHAIRMAN OF THE TOURISM DEVELOPMENT COUNCIL AND HAS SERVED FOR 8 YEARS IN THAT CAPACITY. HE EARNED HIS CERTIFIED COUNTY COMMISSIONER DESIGNATION IN 2018 , ADVANCED CERTIFIED COUNTY COMMISSIONER DESIGNATION IN 2019, AND ADVANCE CERTIFIED COUNTY COMMISSIONER LEVEL TWO IN 2020 FROM THE FLORIDA ASSOCIATION OF COUNTIES. HE ALSO RECEIVED THE FACT PRESIDENTIAL ADVOCACY AWARD THREE TIMES DURING HIS WORK DURING THE LEGISLATIVE SESSIONS THAT WE HELD. DURING OO HIS TENURE ON THE BCC, MIKE CELLA ADVOCATED FOR MANY PROJECTS. BASICALLY TO IMPROVE THE SAFETY AND QUALITY OF LIFE FOR OUR CITIZENRY. AS THE TDC CHAIR, HE LED THE OVERALL GROWTH OF TOURISM AND INCREASED THE NUMBER OF BIG-TICKET EVENTS, IN CLAY COUNTY. HE , HE PROMOTED THE FAIRGROUNDS MASTER PLAN , AND GRANT FUNDS TO SECURE THE IMPROVEMENTS TO THE FAIRGROUNDS. COMMISSIONER CELLA'S SUPPORTED FACILITY IMPROVEMENTS INCLUDED THE REGIONAL SPORTS COMPLEX, THE OUTDOOR ADVENTURE PARK, NEW BASEBALL FIELD AT NEPTUNE PARK, 20 NEW COUNTYWIDE PICKLEBALL CARDS, AND A NEW HEALTH DEPARTMENT BUILDING. HE ALSO INITIATED AND HOSTED EIGHT ANNUAL CLAY COUNTY PROCUREMENT CONFERENCES TO FACILITATE DOING BUSINESS WITH CLAY, WHICH WE JUST HAD LAST WEEK I THINK. HE HAS BEEN A STRONG PROPONENT OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT , SUPPORTING CLAY COUNTY ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION'S EFFORT TO BRING MORE THAN $890 MILLION WORTH OF NEW INVESTMENTS AND HUNDREDS OF NEW JOBS, HIGH WAGE JOBS TO CLAY COUNTY. SEVERAL BCC OPERATIONAL ENHANCEMENTS HAVE BEEN MADE DURING MR. CELLA'S TERMS. CLAY COUNTY INITIATED AWARD-WINNING STRATEGIC PLAN, THE COUNTY EXPANDED ITS GRANTS DEPARTMENT AND DEVELOPED A SPONSORSHIP PROGRAM TO BRING IN ADDITIONAL FUNDS TO THE BENEFIT OF OUR TAXPAYERS, AND THE COUNTY EXPANDED ITS COMMUNICATIONS OFICE, WHICH IS HIS FORTE , WHICH ALLOWED FOR ROBUST MULTIMEDIA INDICATIONS APPROACH MORE THAN 25 DIFFERENT PLATFORMS, ALL DESIGNATED TO BRING INFORMATION AND TRANSPARENCY TO OUR RESIDENTS. DURING HIS TENURE, MR. CELLA STRONGLY ADVOCATED FOR THE BCC TO INCREASE FUNDING FOR ROTARY SERVICING AND REPAVING. THE BCC HAS SPENT MORE THAN $282 MILLION ON ROAD IMPROVEMENTS IN THE PAST EIGHT YEARS, AND MIKE CELLA HAS BEEN A STRONG SUPPORTER OF THE BONDED TRANSPORTATION PROGRAM, WHICH YOU ARE GOING TO HEAR MORE ABOUT TONIGHT, TO IMPROVE CRITICAL ROADWAYS. COMMISSIONER CELLA HAS PROMOTED AND SUPPORTED PUBLIC SAFETY INITIATIVES INCLUDING PAY INCREASES FOR FIREFIGHTERS AT OUR DEPUTIES TO KEEP THE BLEEDING CAMINO, WE TRAIN OUR DEPUTIES, WE TRAIN OUR FIREFIGHTERS ONLY TO FIND THAT NEXT THING YOU KNOW THEY ARE WORKING FOR ST. JOHN'S, OR WHEREVER, BUT I THINK WE HAVE KIND OF SLOWED THAT DOWN TO A MERE TRICKLE, IF ANY AT ALL. HE , HE, DURING HIS TERMS, BCC SUCCESSFULLY FUNDED THE REBUILDING OF FOUR FIRE STATIONS, AND NEW BERN BUILDING FOR FIREFIGHTER TRAINING , AND FUNDED A MAJOR RENOVATION TO THE COUNTY JAIL. TRANSIT SCENE ALSO ADVOCATED FOR THE RECENT APPROVAL OF THE LONG-AWAITED NEW ANIMAL SERVICES BUILDING . THE BCC, OUR STAFF, AND RESIDENTS TRULY APPRECIATE THE INCREDIBLE WORK AND ACCOMPLISHMENTS OF COMMISSIONER MIKE CELLA. WE HAVE BEEN BLESSED TO SERVE WITH HIM OVER THE PAST EIGHT YEARS , AND WILL MISS HIM DEARLY. SO, THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE TO YOUR COUNTRY AND COMMUNITY AND THE CITIZENS OF CLAY COUNTY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH , MIKE. >> SHOULD I DO IT? GIVE HIM THE MIC? >> I'M NOT RUNNING FOR ANYTHING, SO I WILL MAKE IT PRETTY QUICK. I MAY BE RUNNING FOR THE DOOR MIGHT BE THE ONLY THING I'M RUNNING FOR. PRIOR TO COMING IN HERE , THE STAFF UNBEKNOWNST TO ME PUT TOGETHER A LITTLE BIT OF A RECEPTION, AND A LOT OF YOU THAT WERE THERE ARE STILL HERE, AND I THINK YOU FOR TAKING TIME OUT OF YOUR SCHEDULES TO BE HERE AND TO COMMEMORATE MY LAST MEETING ON THE BOARD. I HAVE FOUR THANK YOU'S THAT I WANT TO GO THROUGH AND I WILL MAKE IT SOMEWHAT QUICK. FIRST I WANT TO THANK THE OTHER MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, AND THE OTHER MEMBERS THAT SERVED WITH ME ON THE BOARD THAT AREN'T HERE TODAY. I THINK ALEXANDRA ASKED [00:15:02] ME, AND I THINK I RATTLED OFF EIGHT OR NINE NAMES, SO THAT IS HOW MANY BOARD MEMBERS I HAVE SERVED WITH. BUT I, YOU KNOW, THERE IS NO, THERE IS NO ME IN WE. ALL OF THOSE GREAT THINGS THAT THE CHAIRMAN RED, ALL THE GREAT THINGS WE ACCOMPLISHED, WE ACCOMPLISH AS A BOARD, BECAUSE IT TAKES AT LEAST THREE VOTES TO GET TO WHERE YOU WANT TO GO. SO IT, IT JUST WASN'T ME THAT OPTED TO VOTE YES AND MOVE FORWARD WITH A LOT OF THOSE PROJECTS. THANK YOU FOR, YOU KNOW , THE RESPECT AND THE SUPPORT THAT YOU HAVE FOR A LOT OF THE PROJECTS THAT I WAS STRONGLY ADVOCATING AND OTHER PEOPLE WERE AS WELL . SO, SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT. THANK YOU TO THE STAFF. YOU KNOW , A LOT OF TIMES WE ARE HERE AND IT IS 11:00 OR 10:00 OR WHATEVER THE TIME IS IN THE STAFF HAS BEEN HERE FOR THEY HAVE BEEN SINCE 8:00 IN THE MORNING AND THEY ARE STILL HERE AT 11:00. I DIDN'T REALIZE HOW, HOW THEY TOOK THAT WHEN I WOULD SAY FROM THE BOARD FLOOR AT THE END, THANK YOU TO STAFF FOR HANGING IN THERE, AND SOMEBODY ON THE STAFF SAID GEEZ, YOU FORGOT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR HANGING OUT. WE'VE BEEN HERE FOR 11 HOURS. I NEVER DID IT AFTER THAT. BUT YOU KNOW, THE STAFF IS REALLY IMPORTANT , BECAUSE QUITE HONESTLY, ESPECIALLY AS A NEW COMMISSIONER, YOU COME IN AND YOU DON'T REALLY KNOW EVERYTHING THAT YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO KNOW. IT IS THE MOST IMPOSSIBLE TO DO THAT. SO, FROM DAY WHEN I HAVE ALWAYS FELT THAT THE STAFF WAS THERE WITH THE INFORMATION I NEEDED, AND IF THEY DID NOT PRESENT IT VOLUNTARILY, IF I ASKED QUESTIONS, THEY WERE ALWAYS THERE WITH IT AND THEY ALWAYS MADE SURE THAT YOU LOOK GOOD WHEN YOU SAT ON THE BOARD FLOOR WITH THE INFORMATION THAT YOU NEEDED. SO THANK YOU , STAFF. EVEN THOUGH WE ARE ONLY 20 MINUTES IN, WE ARE GOING TO BE HERE LATE. THANK YOU FOR BEING THERE, BEING LATE WITH US AGAIN HERE TODAY. I ALSO WANT TO THANK THE CITIZENS OF CLAY COUNTY. YOU KNOW, THEY CERTAINLY ADOPTED ME AND VOTED FOR ME IN MY FIRST TERM. THERE IS A GUY FROM CONNECTICUT, YOU KNOW , JUST OUTSIDE OF JACKSONVILLE IN CLAY COUNTY , AND THEY HAD ENOUGH FAITH IN ME AND BELIEVED IN THE SAME VISION I DID FOR CLAY COUNTY TO VOTE FOR ME THE FIRST TIME , AND LIKELY I DID NOT HAVE TO FACE AN OPPONENT THE SECOND TIME, SO THAT MADE MY WIFE HAPPY BECAUSE SHE WAS NOT HAPPY WAVING SIGNS AND THE HUMIDITY, CURLED THEIR HAIR. BUT YOU KNOW, WITHOUT THAT SUPPORT , AND THE GOOD FEELINGS THAT I HAVE ALWAYS GOTTEN FROM RESIDENCE , YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T STAND UP HERE AND YOU CAN'T GET ACCESS TO RESOURCES TO DO THE KIND OF THINGS THAT YOU THINK ARE BEST. IT IS A REPRESENTATIVE GOVERNMENT. A LOT OF TIMES WE WOULD BE DOING SOMETHING WITH A PARTICULAR PROJECT THAT HE WOULD GET NO RESPONSE WHATSOEVER, SO YOU HAVE TO WEIGH THE FACTS, UNDERSTAND YOUR DISTRICT, AND THEN MAKE THE VOTE ACCORDINGLY. DAVE ALWAYS BEEN THERE TO COME AND HELP YOU GET THROUGH THOSE TIMES, WHETHER IT WAS GOOD OR BAD TIMES. THEY WERE THERE. ONCE AGAIN , THANK YOU FOR THE CITIZENS. I APPRECIATE THE SUPPORT DURING THE COURSE OF THESE EIGHT YEARS. FINALLY I WANT TO THANK MY FAMILY. YOU KNOW , A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S A LOT OF TIME AND EFFORT PUT IN BY ALL OF US, LATE NIGHTS WITH EVENING MEETINGS , OR YOU KNOW , SITTING WITH A GROUP OF PEOPLE TRYING TO HASH SOMETHING OUT TO GET IT TO A POINT WHERE I CAN GET PAST AND SOLVE THE PROBLEM, WEEKENDS , A LOT OF BRIEFS. A LOT OF FOLKS THAT ARE ON THE BOARD HAVE PART-TIME JOBS OR FULL-TIME JOBS , AND THEY HAVE TO SQUEEZE IN ANOTHER FULL-TIME JOB , WHICH IS BEING COMMISSIONER. SO , I DON'T THINK PEOPLE UNDERSTAND HOW MANY HOURS ARE NECESSARY TO GET IT RIGHT. SO, YOU KNOW , FAMILIES SACRIFICE BY NOT SEEING YOU. YOU ARE NOT HOME AT VARIOUS TIMES . SOMETIMES MY WIFE DOESN'T THINK THAT IS A BAD THING , ACTUALLY. SHE WOULD ENCOURAGE ME TO GET OUT AND MAKE SURE I WENT TO ANOTHER ROUND OF WEEKEND EVENTS OR SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT. BUT YOU KNOW, MY WIFE HAS BEEN ATTRIBUTED WELL OF THIS AND A LOT OF NIGHTS SITTING ON THE COUCH WAITING FOR ME TO COME HOME FROM DIFFERENT MEETINGS, AND SO YOU CAN'T DO THIS UNLESS YOU HAVE GOOD FAMILY SUPPORT. SO, I DON'T GET A CHANCE TO SAY IT ALL THAT OFTEN BUT I WILL SAY IT TODAY. THANK YOU TO MY MOM AND DAD, MY BROTHER, MY WIFE, THE KIDS, THE GRANDKIDS . YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE TIMES THAT YOU DON'T GET BACK , BUT IT IS ALL DONE FOR THE LOVE OF THE COUNTY. AND SO, THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE TODAY. I REALLY APPRECIATE IT. IT HAS BEEN A TERRIFIC EIGHT YEARS. THANK YOU. [00:20:02] >> WELL, WE ARE CERTAINLY GOING TO MISS YOU. YOU HAVE CERTAINLY BIG SHOES THAT HOPEFULLY JOHN, YOU HAD BETTER GET READY. IT'S [1.  National Adoption Month (November 2024)] COMING. SO, TONIGHT WE HAVE TO GET ON WITH THE MEETING, TONIGHT WE HAVE TWO PROCLAMATIONS. THE FIRST ONE IS NATIONAL ADOPTION MONTH . I UNDERSTAND -- OH, YOU WANT TO TAKE A PICTURE? OKAY. >> AS I WAS SAYING, THIS IS NATIONAL ADOPTION MONTH, AND I UNDERSTAND THERE WAS AN ADOPTION THAT TOOK PLACE IN A COURTHOUSE THIS AFTERNOON. IT PROVIDES A UNIQUE OPPORTUNITY TO CHANGE A CHILD'S LIFE AND ENRICH THE LIFE OF THE ADOPTIVE PARENTS OR FAMILY THAT WELCOMES THEM. ADOPTION OFFERS A SECOND CHANCE AT LIFE FOR CHILDREN WHO HAVE FACED ADVERSITY AND CHALLENGING CIRCUMSTANCES BY BRINGING STABILITY, SECURITY, AND THE CHANCE TO GROW IN A LOVING ENVIRONMENT, ALLOWING THESE AND PEOPLE TO THRIVE AND REACH THEIR FULL POTENTIAL. WE HAVE SOME REPRESENTATIVES HERE TONIGHT. IF YOU WOULD COME FORWARD. I SEE ELIZABETH FRANCO , TONYA MILLER , JANET MORRIS , LATOYA DANTZLER . TIMOTHY BERGMAN , AND THE FAMILY, THE FAMILY OF DAVID AND JESSICA . COME FORWARD AND WE WILL BEAT THE PROCLAMATION. >> WHEREAS IT IS PARAMOUNT THAT FLORIDA'S CHILDREN AND FAMILIES HAVE THE OPPORTUNITIES NECESSARY TO REACH THEIR FULL POTENTIAL AND LEAD HAPPY AND HEALTHY LIVES, ENSURING THEY CAN HAVE A BRIGHT FUTURE. WHEREAS ALL CHILDREN DESERVE A LOVING, SUPPORTIVE, NURTURING, AND PERMANENT FAMILY OF THEIR OWN , AN ADOPTION IS THE OPPORTUNITY TO CHANGE THE LIFE OF THE CHILD AND THEIR ADOPTIVE FAMILY WHILE MAKING A POSITIVE IMPACT ON LOCAL COMMUNITIES. WHEREAS ANYONE WITH THE ABILITY TO LOVE A CHILD, PROVIDE THE BASICS FOR A CHILD, AND MAKE A LIFELONG COMMITMENT CAN BE AN ADOPTIVE PARENT, AND WHEREAS 66 LAKE COUNTY CHILDREN FOUND FOREVER HOMES DURING FISCAL YEAR 2023-2024 , AND WHEREAS THERE ARE CURRENTLY 15 CHILDREN IN FOSTER CARE IN CLAY COUNTY AWAITING LOVING , PERMANENT FAMILY IS, MANY OF WHOM ARE SIBLINGS WHO LONG TO BE ADOPTED BY THE SAME FAMILY SO THEY BANKRUPT TOGETHER. WHEREAS MANY OLDER YOUTHS THING IN FOSTER CARE HAVE DIFFICULTY WRITING A FOREVER FAMILY AND FEEL THAT THEY MAY BE TOO OLD TO BE ADOPTED. THEY WANT A SENSE OF BELONGING THAT ADOPTIVE PARENTS CAN PROVIDE. WHEREAS NATIONAL ADOPTION MONTH IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPREAD AWARENESS ON BEHALF OF THE CHILDREN IN OUR COMMUNITY AND FINDING FAMILIES FOR EVERY WAITING CHILD IN CLAY COUNTY IS THE GOAL OF KIDS FIRST IN FLORIDA AND CAMELOT COMMUNITY CARE. NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED THAT THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS, CLAY COUNTY, FLORIDA, DOES HEREBY PROCLAIM NOVEMBER 2024 AS ADOPTION MONTH IN CLAY COUNTY AND ENCOURAGES COMMUNITIES, BUSINESS GROUPS, SCHOOLS, FAITH-BASED ORGANIZATIONS, AND FAMILY STOP SECURE PERMANENT, LOVING HOMES FOR EACH CHILD IN CLAY COUNTY, DULY ADOPTED BY THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS, CLAY COUNTY, FLORIDA , THIS 12TH DAY OF NOVEMBER, 2024. I HAVE A MOTION? >> >> THIS. I HAVE TO SAY ADOPTION HAS TOUCHED MY FAMILY IN THE PAST SIX MONTHS. MY SISTER WAS FINALLY ABLE TO ADOPT A BABY PICKETT HAS CHANGED OUR FAMILY'S LIFE AND I AM SO HAPPY FOR OUR FAMILY. THANK YOU. >> >> SO , WE ARE JUST THANKFUL TO HAVE THIS LITTLE NUGGET AFTER ALMOST 18 MONTHS OF FOSTERING WE WERE ABLE TO ADOPT HER. SO , IT HAS BEEN A BLESSING, IT REALLY HAS. >> AM THE ADOPTION SPECIALIST WITH CAMELOT COMMUNITY SERVICES. I WAS GIVEN THE PRIVILEGE AND HONOR TO WORK WITH THIS FAMILY . THE FIRST TODAY I MET THEM, THEY WILL ME INTO THEIR HOME , AND I KNEW IT WAS SOMETHING SPECIAL , BECAUSE I LEFT MY PURSE IN THE OFFICE RUNNING OUT TO DO THE ADOPTION HOME STUDY, AND THEY OFFERED ME $20 TO BUY LUNCH . YOU KNOW, I WENT BACK [00:25:06] TO THE OFFICE SO I SAID THAT'S OKAY, BUT THEN MY SPIRIT AGREED WITH THIS FAMILY, AND I SAW THE LOVE THAT THEY HAVE FOR EACH OTHER, THE LOVE THEY HAVE FOR THIS BEAUTIFUL LITTLE ACTIVE, GORGEOUS LITTLE GIRL WHO ALWAYS SINGS OR PRAYS A WORSHIP SONG EVERY TIME I GO OUT TO THE HOME, AND WHAT I ADMIRE MOST IS THAT THE LOVE THAT I SAW THAT THEY HAVE FOR THEIR CHILDREN BY THE CHILD THAT THEY ADOPTED, AND THE LOVE THAT THEY HAVE FOR EACH OTHER, BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY , THE SPIRITUAL ATMOSPHERE THAT I WAS ABLE TO OBSERVE AND SEE THAT THEY ARE CHRISTIANS AND THEIR LOVE FOR GOD, THAT REALLY STUCK OUT TO ME , SO I JUST WANT TO THANK THEM FOR ALLOWING ME TO COME INTO THEIR HOME, TO WORK WITH THEM, TO GET TO KNOW THEM . THEY HAVE INVITED ME TO CHURCH, BUT THEY LIVE TOO FAR. I LIVE IN JACKSONVILLE, BUT I WOULD LIKE FOR HIM TO ALSO SAY SOMETHING. >> DID YOU WANT TO SAY SOMETHING? SAY SOMETHING. >> >> YEAH, IT HAS BEEN A BLESSING JUST TO, JUST TO BE -- I WAS RUNNING A YOUTH MINISTRY FOR A LONG TIME. WILL TOUCH YOUR HEART. AND KNOWING SOMEONE THAT CAME FROM NOTHING THAT CAN BE SOMETHING, SO , AND I, I THANK GOD FOR EVERYTHING THAT HE HAS HAD IN MY LIFE, FOR ALL OF THE TRIALS AND TRIBULATIONS , ALL OF THE VALLEYS AND ALL OF THE MOUNTAINS. I HAVE BEEN THROUGH THEM AND I HAVE BEEN , I HAVE BEEN IN THE VALLEY AND I HAVE BEEN ON THE MOUNTAIN, BUT LIKE I TELL EVERYBODY, I WOULD RATHER BE IN THE VALLEY, BECAUSE THE MOUNTAIN IS FOR THE SCENERY. THE VALLEY IS WHERE EVERYTHING GROWS, AND EVERYONE THAT WE ADD TO OUR FAMILY IS JUST A BLESSING FROM GOD. SO, IN SO MANY WAYS, THIS LITTLE BABY HAS BEEN A BLESSING IN OUR FAMILY. SO AT CHURCH, SHE PLAYS THE PIANO . SO, SO SHE SINGS. AND FOR A 2-YEAR-OLD, FOR GOD TO USE A 2-YEAR-OLD IN CHURCH, IT IS A BLESSING. AND FOR , AND FOR A LITTLE CHILD THAT WAS WONDERING , AND IT IS A BLESSING JUST TO SEE A CHILD JUST TO BE SO, SO FILLED UP WITH GOD , I KNOW THAT IT WAS THE LORD JESUS CHRIST TO PUT THIS BABY IN MY LIFE AND MY FAMILY'S LIFE. SO I JUST SAY THANK YOU ALL. >> WE WILL TAKE A FEW PHOTOS HERE QUICK. >> THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH. NOVEMBER 2227 , 2024 IS FARM [2.  Farm City Week (November 20-27, 2024)] CITY WEEK, WHICH IS CELEBRATED ANNUALLY DURING THE WEEK LEADING UP TO THANKSGIVING. IT IS DESIGNED TO RECOGNIZE THE ESSENTIAL PARTNERSHIP BETWEEN RURAL AND URBAN COMMUNITIES AND ENSURE A SAFE AND ABUNDANT AMERICAN FOOD SUPPLY AND A STRONG ECONOMY. OUR TEAM WITH THE UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA EXTENSION DIRECTOR ANNIE WALLOW AND GAVE IT HENDRY ARE HERE TODAY TO HELP US RECOGNIZE FARM CITY WEEK WITH A PROCLAMATION. I CAN SEE YOU ALREADY JOINED US , SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> WHEREAS FLORIDA FARMERS AND RANCHERS HELP ME THE WORLD BY PRODUCING A BOUNTY OF NUTRITIOUS FOODS. TO DO THIS THEY RELY ON ESSENTIAL PARTNERSHIPS WITH URBAN AND SUBURBAN COMMUNITIES TO SUPPLY, SELL, AND DELIVER FINISHED PRODUCTS TO CONSUMERS ACROSS FLORIDA AND AROUND THE GLOBE, AND WHEREAS RURAL AND URBAN COMMUNITIES WORK TOGETHER TO HAVE BUILT -- LET ME START A SENTENCE OVER. WHEREAS RURAL AND URBAN COMMUNITIES WORKING TOGETHER HAVE BUILT OUR NATION'S RICH AGRICULTURAL RESOURCES, SO THEY CAN CONTRIBUTE TO THE HEALTH AND WELL-BEING OF OUR CITIZENS AND THE STRENGTH OF OUR ECONOMY. AND WHERE IS THE WORK OF FARMERS AND RANCHERS HUMPS PROTECT OUR ENVIRONMENT BY PRESERVING FRESH WATER RECHARGE AREAS , WILDLIFE HABITAT , AND GREEN SPACE, AND IN TURN THE CONSUMERS HELP FARM FAMILIES MAINTAIN THEIR SUPERIOR NATIONAL RESOURCE CONSERVATION PRACTICES BY PURCHASING FLORIDA'S AGRICULTURAL [00:30:01] PRODUCTS. AND WHEREAS DURING NATIONAL FARM CITY WEEK, WE RECOGNIZE THE IMPORTANCE OF THE COOPERATIVE NETWORK OF AGRICULTURE AND RELATED ENTERPRISES THAT EMPLOY MORE THAN 2.5 MILLION WORKERS, INCLUDING FARMERS AND RANCHERS , SHIPPERS, PROCESSORS, MARKETERS, RETAILERS, INSPECTORS, AND OTHERS , ALL CONTRIBUTING MORE THAN $182 BILLION TO FLORIDA'S ECONOMY. WHEREAS FARM CITY WEEK ACTIVITIES CELEBRATE THE MUTUALLY BENEFICIAL RELATIONSHIPS THAT SUPPORT THE QUALITY OF LIFE WE ALL ENJOY, AND THIS WEEK AS WE GATHER THIS WEEK AS IN TWO WEEKS, WE GATHER WITH FAMILY AND FRIENDS AROUND THE THANKSGIVING TABLE . RECOUNT THESE RELATIONSHIPS AMONG OUR MANY BLESSINGS. WHEREAS WE COMMEND THE MANY FLORIDIANS WHO WORK HARD, WHOSE HARD WORK AND INGENUITY PROVIDES US WITH FOOD ABUNDANCE AND REFLECTS THE TRUE SPIRIT OF OUR NATHAN AND STATE. NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED THAT THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS, CLAY COUNTY, FLORIDA , DOES HEREBY PROCLAIM NOVEMBER 2327, 2024, AS FARM CITY WEEK IN CLAY COUNTY, FLORIDA, DULY ADOPTED BY THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS, CLAY COUNTY, FLORIDA, THIS 12TH DAY OF NOVEMBER, 2024 . DO I HAVE A MOTION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE? OF COURSE, NONE ARE OPPOSED . >> QUICKLY , TO THE LEFT HERE IS OUR EXTENSION DIRECTOR FOR CLAY COUNTY. LAST WEEK, SHE WAS SELECTED AS THE EXTENSION DIRECTOR FOR THE STATE OF FLORIDA AND RECEIVED A REALLY NICE A WORD, AND WE ARE SO PROUD THAT SHE REPRESENTS CLAY COUNTY, REALLY PUTTING US ON THE MAP AMONG OTHER THINGS, SO CONGRATULATIONS. >> REALLY QUICK , IF YOU ARE A LUCKY PERSON WILL ONLY HAVE TO GO TO THE DOCTOR 2 TO 3 TIMES PER YEAR. YOU WILL ONLY HAVE TO CALL A POLICEMAN MAYBE ONCE, BUT, YOU NEED A FARMER THREE TIMES A DAY . SO KEEP THAT IN MIND. WE JUSTTHANK YOU FOR THE SUPPORT YOU GIVE THE AGRICULTURAL COMMUNITY IN CLAY COUNTY. THANK YOU , MADAM. >> [3.  National American Indian Heritage Month (November 2024)] >> WE HAVE ONE DECLARATION WHICH HONORS THE NATIONAL AMERICAN INDIAN HERITAGE MONTH. IT PRESENTS AN OPPORTUNITY TO EDUCATE THE PUBLIC ABOUT THE PROUD HISTORY OF INDIGENOUS PEOPLE IN AMERICA, TO CELEBRATE THE RICH AND DIVERSE TRIBAL CULTURES THAT CONTINUE TO THRIVE WITHIN CITIES, RURAL COMMUNITIES, TRIBAL COMMUNITIES, AND TRIBAL NATIONS ACROSS THIS NATION. WE HAVE A DECLARATION IN OUR BACK UP HERE FOR THE AMERICAN INDIAN HERITAGE MONTH ATTACHED TO THIS AGENDA. I ENCOURAGE EACH ONE OF YOU TO READ IT AND LEARN ABOUT [Naval Air Station Jacksonville Presentation to Clay County Fire Department (Fire Chief Mark Brusoe)] THE HISTORY AND HERITAGE OF THESE GREAT INDIGENOUS PEOPLE WHO HAVE CONTRIBUTED SO MUCH TO THE SUCCESS OF THIS NATION. I WANT TO THANK THEM. TONIGHT WE HAVE FOUR PRESENTATIONS AND WE WILL BEGIN WITH THE NAS JACKSONVILLE FIRE CHIEF. COME ON UP. >> SIR , COMMISSIONER , WHAT A GREAT HONOR IT IS TO SPEAK IN FRONT OF YOU GUYS TODAY -- SPEAK IN FRONT OF YOU GUYS. MY HISTORY AND WHAT THIS IS ABOUT, I SERVED 26 YEARS ACTIVE DUTY AIR FORCE, AS A FIREFIGHTER IN JAPAN, ALL OVER THE PLACE. WE ENDED OUR CAREER , AND MY WIFE [00:35:07] AND I -- >> COULD YOU PULL THE MIC A LITTLE CLOSER? >> AND I INTERVIEWED FOR 2 FIRE CHIEF JOBS, ONE IN WASHINGTON, D.C. AND WENT TO MAYPORT. MY WIFE LOOKED AT THE MAP AND SAID WE ARE GOING TO MAYPORT. WHAT A GREAT HONOR IT IS TO COME TO HEAR AND WHEN I SENT MY WIFE OUT TO LOOK FOR REALTORS, SHE SAID WE ARE GOING TO LIVE IN CLAY COUNTY, JUST BECAUSE WHAT THIS COUNTY IS ALL ABOUT . WHAT THIS PRESENTATION IS ABOUT, THEY HOSTED AN AIR SHOW WITH 440,000 PEOPLE ABOARD THE BASE. THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN NAS JACKSONVILLE , THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, THE DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE IS AMAZING WITH CLAY COUNTY. WE TRAINED TOGETHER AND EAT TOGETHER AND WHEN THAT AIR SHOW CAME ABOUT AND I HAD TO DO THE BRIEF TO THE DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE, I SAID CLAY COUNTY HAS OUR BACKS , AND SO, ON THAT RECOGNITION , IN HONOR OF THE DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE , THE DEPARTMENT OF THE NAVY , NAS JACKSONVILLE, SKIPPER , AND MYSELF WOULD LIKE TO PRESENT, AND THIS IS THE ONLY, CLAY COUNTY IS THE ONLY SECOND COUNTY AND ALL OF FLORIDA HAVE EVER PRESENTED THIS TO THAT IS HOW MUCH IT MEANS TO ME. THIS IS A LITHOGRAPH SIGNED BY THE BLUE ANGELS, SAYING THANK YOU FOR WHAT THE CLAY COUNTY FIRE DEPARTMENT DID FOR US , SIR. >> THANK YOU. THANK YOU AGAIN, SARAH. >> THANK YOU FOR HONORING US TO OUR SERVICES TO YOU AND TO THE COMMUNITY. >> YOU HAVE A GREAT AMERICA RIGHT THERE. >> UNFORTUNATELY, CHIEF MOCK WON'T BE ABLE TO JOIN US TONIGHT. >> [Fire Watch Project Presentation and approval of Funding Agreement (N. Howland)] >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. NEXT ON THE AGENDA IS A PRESENTATION FROM THE HONORABLE NICK HOWLAND, THE CITY COUNCIL FROM THE CITY OF JACKSONVILLE, BUT HE IS ON ANOTHER MISSION HERE TONIGHT. >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN AND THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS. I REALLY APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT TO YOU TONIGHT , I NOTED THAT MR. SHAVER HAD SOME REALLY CRITICALLY IMPORTANT WORDS EARLIER ABOUT VETERANS , AND WE ARE ONLY ONE DAY REMOVED FROM VETERANS DAY, SO TO ALL OF THE VETERANS IN THE ROOM AND ON TV, I GET IF IT IS ONLY ONE DAY REMOVED 180 DAYS REMOVED, THERE IS NEVER A BAD TIME TO THANK YOU FOR THEIR SERVICE. WHICH BRINGS US TO WHY WE ARE HERE TONIGHT. MY NAME IS NICK HOWLAND. I'M THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE FIRE WATCH, WHICH IS FLORIDA'S FIGHT TO END VETERAN SUICIDE. YOU SHOULD HAVE EVERY COMMISSIONER A MEMO IN FRONT OF YOU, WHICH WAS SENT ON SEPTEMBER 12 MONTH BUT I ALSO HAVE SOME CHARTS WHICH CONTAIN THE SAME INFORMATION. FOR THE SAKE OF THE AUDIENCE I'LL GO THROUGH THE CHARTS. I WILL GO PRETTY QUICKLY AND THERE IS ONE NEW CHART AT THE END, THAT I WILL KIND OF DWELL ON, BECAUSE THAT IS THE CONTRACT IN FRONT OF YOU FOR APPROVAL THAT HIGHLIGHTS WHAT TROY AND HOW HE AND I HAVE TALKED ABOUT AND CODIFIED IN THIS POTENTIAL CONTRACT. WITHOUT FURTHER ADO. WE ALL KNOW THAT VETERAN SUICIDE IS A NATIONAL CRISIS. WE LOSE OVER 6000 U.S. MILITARY VETERANS TO SUICIDE EVERY YEAR . WE LOSE ABOUT 600 IN FLORIDA EVERY YEAR, 12% OF FLORIDA NATIONAL SUICIDES. WHY IT MATTERS IS WE LOSE VETERANS AT A RATE NEARLY 2 TIMES THAT OF CIVILIANS. SINCE THE GLOBAL WAR ON TERROR STARTED. WE ARE ACTUALLY AT A RATE OF ABOUT 32 VETERANS DYING BY SUICIDE PER 100,000 VERSUS CIVILIANS AT ABOUT 16 PER 100,000 CIVILIANS. THAT MEANS IT IS MEANINGFUL , THAT THERE IS SOMETHING GOING ON WITH VETERANS THAT WE NEED TO ADDRESS TO END AN EPIDEMIC OF VETERAN SUICIDE . IN 2019 WHEN WE FORMED THE FIRE WATCH, THE NUMBER OF VETERAN SUICIDES THAT YEAR WERE PALPABLE. WE LOST ANYONE ACROSS NORTHEAST FLORIDA THAT YEAR, INCLUDING 19 HERE IN CLAY COUNTY, 44 IN THE CITY OF JACKSONVILLE. SO WE FORMED SOMETHING CALLED THE FIRE WATCH, FLORIDA'S FIGHT TO END VETERAN SUICIDE. REFORMED ON THREE PREMISES, THREE BIG IDEAS. THE FIRST ONE BEING THAT SUICIDE IS PREVENTABLE. THE SECOND ONE BEING THAT IF WE CAN GET VETERANS TO THE HELP THEY NEED BEFORE THEY SLIP INTO CRISIS, WE CAN END VETERAN SUICIDE. IN THE THIRD BEING THAT IT TAKES THE COMMUNITY. WE SOUNDLY REJECT THE NOTION THAT ONLY VETERANS CAN HELP VETERANS. WE THINK THE COMMUNITY CAN WRAP THEIR ARMS [00:40:03] AROUND VETERANS AND HELP THEM FIND THE RESOURCES THEY NEED, SO WE CREATED THE FIRE WATCH THAT YEAR, AND OUT OF IT BECAME A PROGRAM INSPIRED ENTIRELY BY THE. CALLED THE WATCH GENDER PROGRAM. WHAT IT DOES IS IT TRAINS COMMUNITY MEMBERS TO RECOGNIZE THE WARNING SIGNS OF VETERANS IN CRISIS, TO ASK A VETERAN IF THEY NEED HELP, TO VALIDATE THEIR EXPERIENCE, AND TO EXPEDITE GETTING THE BETTER INTO THE RESOURCES THEY NEED, SO WE DON'T PROVIDE DIRECT RESOURCES THAT THE FIRE WANT. WHAT WE ARE DOING IS BUILDING A COMMUNITY OF FOLKS WHO ARE STANDING BY TO ENGAGE A VETERAN WHO MIGHT NEED IT AND TO DIRECT THE BETTER INTO THE HELP THEY NEED. IN OTHER WORDS, RICH AND HIS TEAM IS HERE RICH KERRY. IN OTHER WORDS WE ARE BEING A FORCE MULTIPLIER FOR ALL OF THE VETERANS SERVICES OUT THERE. WE ARE CREATING A FORCE MULTIPLIER IN THE COMMUNITY FOR ALL OF THE VETERANS SERVICES OFFICERS OUT THERE. SO, WE HAVE A NUMBER OF OBJECTIVES. I WANT GO TO THEM IN DETAIL, BUT BASICALLY WE DO MEASURE THREE THINGS. OUR CORNERSTONE PROGRAM, WE MEASURE HOW MANY PEOPLE WE TRAIN THE COMMUNITY, HOW MANY WATCH STANDARDS WE CREATED. WE MEASURE HOW OFTEN THEY INTERACT WITH VETERANS AND HOW OFTEN THEY DIRECT VETERAN TO THE HELP THEY NEED. WE MEASURE THE BIG GOAL, THE END GOAL, ARE WE REDUCING VETERAN SUICIDES IN THE TARGETED GEOGRAPHIC AREAS. WE STARTED HERE IN NORTHEAST FLORIDA IN 2019 . THEN WHEN WE STARTED TO GET A LOT OF TRACTION IN NORTHEAST FLORIDA, THE STATE OF FLORIDA ASKED US TO EXPAND TO TAMPA AND SOUTHEAST FLORIDA WHICH HAD THE HIGH-RISK AREAS AND ACROSS THE REST OF THE STATE. IN THE FIRST METRIC WE ARE ON TRACK TO ACHIEVE ABOUT 10,000 WATCH STANDERS AT 2025. A GOOD 5000 OF THOSE ARE HERE IN NORTHEAST FLORIDA. AS FAR AS ENGAGING WITH VETERANS AND REFERRING THEM , WE ARE ON TRACK AND ACHIEVING IN 5/4 IN A ROW OUR ENGAGEMENT RATE AND OUR REFERRAL RATE. OF THOSE WATCH STANDERS THAT WE HAVE TRAINED, OVER 70% ARE ENGAGING WITH VETERANS EVERY QUARTER, AND OVER A THIRD ARE REFERRING VETERANS TO RESOURCES. MOST OFTEN THOSE ENGAGEMENTS TAKE PLACE IN THE WORKPLACE, AND MOST OFTEN THOSE REFERRALS OF VETERANS BY WATCH STANDERS TO SERVICES OUR HEALTHCARE , BOTH PUBLIC AND PRIVATE. THEN FINALLY WE LOOK AT REDUCING VETERAN SUICIDES. CAN I MENTIONED BEFORE, ACTUALLY I DIDN'T, I GLOSSED OVER IT, BUT WE HAVE A GOAL OF TRYING TO, IN ORDER TO GET A SYSTEMIC REDUCTION OF VETERAN SUICIDES TO PROVE OUT THE MODEL, THE CPR MODEL FOR VETERAN SUICIDE PREVENTION, WE WANT TO GET THREE YEARS OF VETERAN SUICIDES 25% OR BELOW OUR BASELINE . WE HAVE ACHIEVED THAT. OUR DATA IS DIRECTLY FROM THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AND WHAT WE HAVE ACHIEVED IS A 46% REDUCTION, 53% REDUCTION AND A 27% REDUCTION FROM BASELINE. WHAT WE HAVE REDUCED VETERAN SUICIDES FROM 27% OF OUR BASELINE IN 2019 IN THE LAST YEAR TO 2022, THE REST OF THE STATE, 27% REDUCTION, THE REST OF THE STATE 1% DOWN. WE ARE GOING TO SEE A 2 TO 3% INCREASE. FLORIDA IS DOING BETTER THAN THE REST OF THE NATION, AND NORTHEAST FLORIDA BY FAR IS DOING BETTER THAN EVERYWHERE ELSE IN THE STATE. THESE CHARTS SHOW THAT. I WILL SHOW THIS ONE BY COUNTY PICK IN THE DATA WE GET FROM THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH, WE CAN TRACK THE VETERAN SUICIDES BY COUNTY, ZIP CODE, AGE, RACE, AND GENDER. WE CAN ALSO TRACK BY MEANS OF DEATH. THIS IS THE COUNTY OVER THE THREE-YEAR MEASUREMENT PERIOD. BAKER COUNTY IS EFFECTIVELY, IT IS VERY SMALL, BUT THEY HAVE GONE FROM TWO VETERANSUICIDES IN A BASELINE YEAR TO ZERO . THEY HAVE ACHIEVED FUNCTIONAL ZERO ON SUICIDES, BUT THE TWO SUPERSTARS WITH THE BIGGEST REDUCTIONS ARE CLAY COUNTY . CLAY HAS COME DOWN 53% , FROM 19 SUICIDES IN 2019 TO 9 IN 2022. THIS IS A CHART AND AGE GROUPS. I WON'T BELABOR THIS ONE , BUT IT IS AVAILABLE FOR ANYONE WHO WANTS TO SEE IT. ANOTHER CHART WHICH JUST TALKS ABOUT THE INCREASE IN DUVAL COUNTY. THE INCREASE IF ANYONE TAUGHT IN THE THREE-YEAR PERIOD, THERE WAS A SLIGHT INCREASE, ACTUALLY A SIGNIFICANT INCREASE FROM 2021 TO 2022. WE ARE STILL 27% -- 27% BELOW THE BASELINE YEAR, BUT THAT WAS ENTIRELY IN DUVAL COUNTY AND SINCE WE CAN SORT BY AGE AS WELL, IT IS ENTIRELY AMONG VETERANS OVER AGE 55 IN DUVAL COUNTY. THAT ENABLES US NOT ONLY TO TRACK HOW WE ARE DOING THEM A BUT IT ENABLES OUR FOLKS WHO ARE OUT THERE GROWING OUR NETWORK OF WATCH STANDERS AND TRAINING THEM TO KNOW WHERE THE TRAIN THEM , SO WE ARE SPENDING A LOT OF TIME IN CERTAIN ZIP CODES THAT YOU CAN SEE RIGHT HERE INCLUDING ONE IN HIGH RISK ZIP CODE IN CLAY COUNTY, WE ARE SPENDING A LOT OF TIME TRYING TO BUILD OUR NETWORK IN THOSE AREAS. OF NOTE, THIS IS A HARD ONE FOR FOLKS TO SEE, BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE TWO ZIP CODES IN THE [00:45:01] LOWER SOUTH AND SOUTHWEST CORNERS OF THE COUNTY , THEY ARE SHOWING ZERO SUICIDES IN THE YEAR 2022. THOUGH ZIP CODES WERE RED, THE MOST READ , IN 2019 AND IN 2020. SO WE FOCUSED A LOT IN MIDDLEBURG AND PENNEY FARMS IN GROWING OUR NETWORK IN THAT AREA. WHILE IT IS NOT NECESSARILY JUST THE WATCH STANDER PROGRAM IS HAVING AN EFFECT, THE WATCH STANDER PROGRAM IS CERTAINLY HELPING DRIVE THE NUMBERS. WE GET VETERANS TO THE RESOURCES. IT IS THE AMAZING RESOURCES IN CLAY COUNTY AND ACROSS NORTHEAST FLORIDA THAT ARE PREVENTING SUICIDALITY. SO WITH THAT, I WANT TO GO TO -- I HAVE MORE JUST ON THE BENEFITS OF THE PROGRAM AND THE DATA. ONE KEY IMPORTANT CHART IS WHERE WE BUILD OUR NETWORK ACROSS THE STATE OF FLORIDA, NORTHEAST FLORIDA, TAMPA, SOUTHEAST FLORIDA, AND NOW BEGINNING TO BUILD OUT INTO THE FARR WEST PANHANDLE. VETERAN SUICIDES ARE DOWN 16% FROM 2019. WHERE WE ARE NOT, WHERE WE HAVE NOT BUILT A NETWORK, VETERAN SUICIDES ARE UP 8%. SO THIS SUMMARIZES THE DATA, BUT I'M GOING TO GO RIGHT TO THE FINAL CHART HERE, WHICH IS THE ASK OF CLAY COUNTY . WE HAVE ASKED FOR A ARPA FUNDING CONTRACT OF $20,000 . I AM TRYING TO GET THIS TO GO THROUGH. EXCUSE ME REALLY FAST. LET'S SEE IF WE CAN GET THERE. ALMOST THERE . ALL RIGHT. VERY GOOD. SO WE SENT A FORMAL REQUEST EARLY IN THE SPRING FOR $20,000, DIRECT LINE ITEM FUNDING IN THE BUDGET. THAT DID NOT MAKE THE BUDGET, BUT THAT IS BECAUSE IN YOUR SEPTEMBER MEETING, THE IDEA SWITCHED TO FUNDING IT FROM AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN FUNDING, AND THAT GOT DEFERRED TO OCTOBER, AND I WE ARE HERE BECUSE WE ARE GOING TO GO TOWARDS DELIVERABLE BASED AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN FUNDING. SO WHAT WE HAVE WORKED ON IN THE CONTRACT IN FRONT OF YOU IS A $20,000 CONTRACT , PAYABLE ON ACHIEVEMENT OF CERTAIN DELIVERABLES. THOSE ARE A NUMBER OF DEDICATED CLAY COUNTY TRAINING EVENTS. WE HAVE AGREED ON 10 PICKETING THE TRAINER QUALIFICATION FOR CLAY COUNTY STAFF, SO WE CAN HAVE SOME SUSTAINMENT ON THIS PROGRAM IF , FOR GOING ON IN THE FUTURE, TO CONTINUE TO TRAIN WATCH STANDERS. WE WILL TRAIN SOME OF THE CLAY COUNTY STAFF TO BE ACTUAL TRAINERS, WATCH STANDER TRAINERS THEMSELVES, AND A DELIVERABLE ON THE PRESENTATION OF THE ANNUAL CLAY COUNTY VETERAN SUICIDE REPORT. WE HAVE BEEN DOING THAT EVERY YEAR WITH PREVIOUS FUNDING AND WE WILL DO IT AGAIN THIS YEAR WITH THIS FUNDING. WE ARE ALSO REQUIRED TO SUBMIT QUARTERLY REPORTS TO THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS INCLUDING ONE OR TWO, WHEN MINIMUM, IN PERSON PRESENTATION TO THIS BODY. WITH THAT, I WILL TAKE ANY QUESTIONS. ONE THING I DO WANT TO ADD IS THERE WAS SOME QUESTION LAST TIME WHEN MY COLLEAGUE DEREK COLLINS WAS HERE. HE IS A TRAINER. HE GOES TO TRAINING PEOPLE DAILY TO BE WATCH STANDERS. SO HE DIDN'T KNOW THE INFORMATION REGARDING OTHER FUNDING, BUT WE HAVE RECEIVED A BUDGET LINE ITEM GRANT FROM ST. JOHN'S COUNTY IN THE AMOUNT OF $30,000 FROM BREVARD COUNTY IN THE AMOUNT OF $75,000 , FROM WOUNDED WARRIOR PROJECT A GRANT OF 75, FROM FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH, A GRANT OF 98. WE ARE BASICALLY TRYING TO PIECEMEAL BACKUP ESTATE APPROPRIATION THAT WE WERE NOT SUCCESSFUL GETTING LAST YEAR, AND WE HAVE CLOSED ABOUT 500 OF OUR 700 K OPERATING BUDGET FOR THE YEAR, SO I STILL HAVE ABOUT 200 K TO GO. YOUR 20 K WILL BE INSTRUMENTAL IN ALLOWING US TO CONTINUE TO DELIVER THIS SERVICE AND GROW THE WATCH ANY QUESTIONS? IN CLAY COUNTY.- >> I, MAYBE IT WAS A RUMOR, JAGUAR FOUNDATION? >> YES. WE ARE EXPECTING, COMMITTED, I DON'T HAVE COMMITTED, $100,000 FROM THE JAGUAR FOUNDATION. THEIR WHOLE FRONT HALF MY FRONT END STAFF, ARE WATCH STANDERS, WHICH IS FANTASTIC, AND THEY ARE A MIRROR -- A VERY MILITARY AND VETERAN FRIENDLY ORGANIZATION. >> HAS NICK ALLUDED TO , THIS IS A PROGRAM TO AVOID CRISIS, OKAY. ONCE THEY ARE IN CRISIS, THAN THERE IS A WHOLE ANOTHER LEVEL OF EXPERIENCE THAT THEY CAN HAVE WITH OTHER ORGANIZATIONS, BUT THIS IS TRYING TO EDUCATE PEOPLE TO RECOGNIZE, ACKNOWLEDGE, AND DIRECT THESE INDIVIDUALS, ANY INDIVIDUALS TOWARD ASSISTANCE . THE OTHER THING I WANT TO NOTE IS, YOU NOTICE, THEY HAVE 7700, WAS THAT THE NUMBER OF WATCH STANDERS TRAINED? THERE'S A LOT MORE PEOPLE OUT THERE . WE HAVE A WAY TO GO. EVERYBODY SHOULD, IT IS KIND OF LIKE CPR. [00:50:02] EVERYBODY HAS HEARD ABOUT IT, BUT WE WANT TO GET TO THAT POINT WITH AIR WATCH, EVERYBODY HAS HEARD OF IT , WHAT IS THAT, HOW DO I GET SMART IN THAT AREA, AND THAT IS WHAT THE TRAINING IS ALL ABOUT. THE EXPANSION TO TRAIN THE TRAINERS AND ALL THAT KIND OF THING. >> MR. CHAIR, I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, BUT I JUST WANT TO TAKE YOU FOR THAT PRESENTATION. I THINK THAT WAS ONE OF OUR BEST PRESENTATIONS ON WHAT, WHAT FIRE WATCH ACTUALLY DOES IN THE COMMUNITY AND HOW JUST AVERAGE, PRIVATE CITIZENS CAN PRINCIPATE . I, AS YOU ALL KNOW, I AM NOT UNBIASED. I AM THE MOTHER OF A VETERAN, SO I THINK THAT THIS IS SO CRITICAL, SO CRITICALLY IMPORTANT , AS A MOTHER OF A VETERAN STILL IN THEIR 20S. I THINK SOMETIMES WE THINK OF VETERANS HAS THE GREATEST GENERATION, WHICH WE -- THEY CERTAINLY ARE AND RETHINK THEM SO MUCH FOR EVERYTHING THAT THEY HAVE GONE THROUGH, BUT THIS REALLY CROSSES ALL AGE GROUPS. WITH THAT MR. CHAIR I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE APPROVAL. >> CHAIR, I WOULD SECOND THAT, AND IF I MAY ADD A COMMENT, I DO APPRECIATE NICK COMING BY. WE'VE HAD SEVERAL CONVERSATIONS OVER THE LAST SEVERAL MONTHS, AND I APPRECIATE, YOU PRESENTING TO US WHAT WE HAVE BEEN GETTING TO SEE , AS THE BOARD REPRESENTATIVE FOR FIRE WATCH, I HAVE HAD A FRONT ROW SEAT TO THESE NUMBERS, AND I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU ARE DOING IN CLAY COUNTY , BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY , WE HAVE BEEN AT THIS PROCESS FOR QUITE A WHILE, SO I APPRECIATE YOU COMING AT ANSWERING THE QUESTIONS THAT THE BOARD HAD . AND OF COURSE, YEAH, I SECOND COMMISSIONER CONDON'S MOTION. >> I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY OTHER COMMENTS, QUESTIONS? >> ONE SECOND MR. CHAIR PICK WE HAVE TO MAKE A SLIGHT MODIFICATION TO THE MOTION. SO , IT HAS TO REFLECT THAT THE TRAINING CAN BE ONLINE OR IN PERSON , AND ON OUR BACK UP IT WAS JUST IN PERSON. SO -- >> AND THAT WOULD BE, LIKE, BY ZOOM OR TEAMS. YOU COULD DO A MINIMUM IF YOU WANT, BUT I FIGURED ALL RIGHT WE ARE GETTING SO LATE THAT IF WE DON'T FIT THE 10 IN , MAYBE A COUPLE OF THEM COULD BE DONE -- >> THEY HAD TO DO THIS BY THE END OF OUR BUDGET YEAR, SO BY THE END OF SEPTEMBER OF 2025. WE ARE ALREADY 10 MONTHS AWAY FROM THAT ARE NINE MONTHS AWAY FROM THAT. ANYWAY, THAT IS THE MODIFICATION. >> SECOND TO THAT AMENDED MOTION. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE ? ANY NAYS LIKE SIGN? IT IS BEFORE 5:30 . WE GOT YOU UTTERLY. >> THANK YOU. >> HE HAS TO GO TO HIS JACKSONVILLE CITY COUNCIL [Flooding Vulnerability Assessment and Resilient Florida Grant Program Final Presentation (J. Gregory)] MEETING, SO WE APPRECIATE YOU. >> THE NEXT PRESENTATION IS BY JONES EDMUNDS. MR. GREGORY IS HERE TO PRESENT THE FLOODING VULNERABILITY ASSESSMENT AND THE RESILIENT FLORIDA GRANT PROGRAM . >> GOOD AFTERNOON. JUSTIN GREGORY FROM JONES EDMUNDS. THANK YOU FOR THE TIME THIS AFTERNOON TO PRESENT ON YOUR COUNTYWIDE -- SORRY. ON YOUR COUNTYWIDE FLOOD VULNERABILITY ASSESSMENT. FOR THE PRESENTATION TODAY , WE JUST WANTED A SUMMARY OF THE GOALS WILL BE TO PRESENT, JUST REMINDED OF THE GOALS OF THIS PROJECT WILL GIVE YOU A LITTLE BACKGROUND ON THE RESILIENT FLORIDA GRANT PROGRAM , AND A LITTLE MORE BACKGROUND ON HOW WE GOT ON WHERE WE ARE IN THE PROJECT, AND THEN A SUMMARY OF THE DRAFT FOCUS AREAS AND SOME OF THE NEXT STEPS IN ADAPTATION PLANNING. THE OVERALL GOALS OF THE PROJECT ARE TO COMPLETE A COUNTYWIDE FLOOD VULNERABILITY ASSESSMENT THAT SATISFIES DEP RESILIENT FLORIDA GRANT PROGRAM GUIDELINES WHICH ARE DEFINED WITHIN THE FLORIDA STATUTES. OF THAT, WHAT WE HAVE DONE IS IDENTIFY CRITICAL INFRASTRUCTURE THAT IS HONORABLE TO FLOODING. THEN WE ARE CURRENTLY FINALIZING AN INITIAL PRELIMINARY ADAPTATION PLAN THAT WILL HELP THE COUNTY'S MOST WINNABLE INFRASTRUCTURE TO MY HELP PREVENT FLOODING AND IMPROVE THAT RESILIENCY. THE RESILIENT FLORIDA PROGRAM ESTABLISHED IN 2021 BY FLORIDA SENATE BILL 1954. IT , THAT, THAT BILL, DIRECTS THE FDP TO ESTABLISH A STATEWIDE FLOOD VULNERABILITY, COMPLETE A STATEWIDE FLOOD VULNERABILITY ASSESSMENT AND TO COMPLETE A STATEWIDE FLOODING AND STATEWIDE RESILIENCE PLAN. BECAUSE OF THAT, TRAN20 FOUR HAS AWARDED ALMOST $19 MILLION IN FUNDING SO FAR FOR PLANNING GRANTS AROUND THE STATE. EVERY COUNTY HAS BEEN AWARDED FUNDING, AND THAT IS 100% GRANT FUNDED. AND THEN IT , IN ADDITION TO THAT THEY ARE WORDING IMPLEMENTATION GRANTS WHICH ARE CURRENTLY TOTALING AROUND $1 BILLION OF THEY HAVE AWARDED , AND THAT IS A 50% [00:55:02] MATCH ON THOSE PROJECTS. YOU HAVE TO HAVE COMPLETED A VULNERABILITY ASSESSMENT AND PROVED VULNERABILITY ASSESSMENT OR HAVE ONE, BE WORKING ON WHEN TO BE ELIGIBLE TO APPLY FOR THOSE IMPLEMENTATION GRANTS. A SUMMARY OF JUST THE OVERALL PROJECT WORKFLOW . THIS IS DEFINED BY A FDEP. WE INITIALLY DEVELOPED COMMUNITY ASSETS AROUND THE COUNTY. WE THEN HAVE TO WORK ON EXISTING FUTURE EXTREME EVENT MAPPING, FLOOD MAPPING. SO THAT IS A SIGNIFICANT TASK . I WILL TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT. WE THEN IDENTIFY CRITICAL ASSETS THAT ARE VULNERABLE TO FLOODING. WE USE A COMPLEMENTATION OF THE FLOOD RISK INFORMATION IN THE INFANTRY -- INVENTORY OF CRITICAL ASSETS TO IDENTIFY WHICH AREAS ARE VULNERABLE TO FLOODING WE THEN USE THAT DATA TO IDENTIFY A PRELIMINARY OR PRIORITIZES CRITICAL ASSETS, SO IDENTIFY WHICH ARE THE HIGHEST PRIORITY ONCE AND DEVELOP FOCUS AREAS BASED ON THOSE. WE IDENTIFY FOCUS AREAS IN THE COUNTY. WE WILL FOCUS ON THE PRELIMINARY ADAPTATION PLANNING. AND THEN FINALLY THE DEP REQUIRES ALL OF THAT TO BE SUBMITTED IN A COMPILED REPORT ON TO THE STATE . SO CRITICAL COMMUNITY ASSETS ARE DEFINED BY THE STATE. THESE ARE DEFINED WITHIN THE STATUTES. THEY HAVE GIVEN US A VERY DETAILED LIST OF WHAT IS CONSIDERED A COMMUNITY ASSET, AND THESE HAVE BEEN SUBMITTED TO THE STATE, AND THE STATE IS DEVELOPING A STATEWIDE DATABASE OF THESE. WE THEN WORKED ON -- SORRY . WE THEN WORKED ON MAPPING THOSE INFRASTRUCTURES. WE WORKED WITH COUNTY STAFF TO IDENTIFY THE LOCATION OF ALMOST 13,000 CRITICAL ASSETS AROUND THE COUNTY , AND THOSE WERE MAPPED AND WE HAD TO ESTIMATE ELEVATIONS OF ALL OF THOSE STRUCTURES SO WE COULD IDENTIFY FLOOD RISK. THERE WE GO . SO, THE FOLLOWING STEP IS THAT EXPOSURE ANALYSIS, WHERE WE ARE MAPPING FLOOD RISK. SO WE LOOKED AT FLOOD RISK IN A VARIETY OF SCENARIOS. INITIALLY WE LOOKED AT TITLE FLOODING MY TITLE FLOODING ALONG THE ST. JOHNS RIVER, AND THE STATE DEFINES THAT IS THE MEAN HIGH WATER +2 FEET. THAT IS UNDER CURRENT CONDITION AND UNDER FUTURE CLIMATE SCENARIOS, SO FUTURE SEA LEVEL RISE SCENARIOS, WHERE WE ARE EVALUATING THE FLOOD RISKS. WE ARE ALSO LOOKING AT RAINFALL INDUCE FLOODING , AND THAT IS ACROSS THE ENTIRE COUNTY AND ONCE AGAIN LOOKING AT IT LISTING AND FUTURE SCENARIOS. AND THEN STORM SURGE FLOODING. SO IF WE WERE TO GET A STORM SURGE UP ST. JOHNS RIVER, WHAT THAT FLOODING WOULD LOOK LIKE UNDER BOTH CURRENT SEA LEVEL RISE AND PROJECTED SEA LEVEL RISE IN 2040 AND 2070. THEN WE ARE ABLE TO USE THAT MAPPING TO HELP EVALUATE THE DEPTH OF FLOODING AND THOSE 13,000 CRITICAL ASSETS AROUND THE COUNTY. >> I AM BRETT CUNNINGHAM ALSO WITH JONES EDMUNDS. AND YOU HEARD JUSTIN TALK ABOUT EXPOSURE. WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE VULNERABILITY ASSESSMENTS, THE DEP USES THREE TERMS. EXPOSURE, SENSITIVITY , AND VULNERABILITY. AND THIS PICTURE KIND OF SUMS IT ALL UP. THIS IS NOT FROM CLAY COUNTY, BUT IT IS A REALLY GOOD ONE. YOU CAN SEE WE HAVE LEVEL GROUND. AS YOU CAN IMAGINE IF THIS AREA FLOODS, THE EXPOSURE BY DEFINITION IS GOING TO BE THE SAME. ALL THREE HOMES WILL EXPERIENCE THE SAME EXPOSURE , BUT THEY ALL HAVE DIFFERENT FINISHED FLOOR ELEVATIONS, SO THEY WILL HAVE A DIFFERENT SENSITIVITY TO THOSE FLOODS. THEN THE OTHER PIECE THAT COMES INTO IT IS ADAPTIVE CAPACITY. SO YOU MIGHT IMAGINE THAT THE HOMEOWNER ON THE HOME ON THE RIGHT IS GOING TO HAVE MORE FINANCIAL MEANS TO RECOVER AFTER A DISASTER, SO THEY WILL HAVE MORE ADAPTIVE CAPACITY, WHICH REDUCES WHICH ULTIMATELY REDUCES THEIR VULNERABILITY. SAME EXPOSURE, DIFFERENT SENSITIVITY AND DIFFERENT VULNERABILITY. WE HAVE APPLIED THIS WHOLE PROCESS TO THE 13,000 ASSETS THAT JUSTIN MENTIONED. AND , YOU CAN APPRECIATE IT, IT IS A LOT OF DATA, A LOT OF RESULTS, AND THIS TABLE REALLY KIND OF SUMMARIZES EVERYTHING, SO, JUSTIN MENTIONED THERE ARE THREE SCENARIOS, THE KIND OF THE EXISTING YEAR , THEN IN 2040, WHICH AT THE TIME THIS STARTED WAS 20 YEARS OUT, AND 2070 ABOUT 50 YEARS OUT. THIS IS JUST A SUMMARY OF REALLY HOW YOU'RE DIFFERENT CRITICAL ASSETS WILL BE EXPOSED OR HOW VULNERABLE THEY ARE . THIS, THIS SUMS IT UP. YOU CAN IMAGINE OUT OF 13,000 , LOOKING OUT 50 YEARS, THERE'S GOING TO BE A NUMBER OF PROBLEMS TO BE ADDRESSED. AND THEN, FINALLY , WE HAVE TO LOOK AT, WE HAVE TO FOCUS IN ON FOCUS AREAS. SO IMAGINE WE HAVE A LOT, THERE ARE A LOT OF PROBLEMS TO BE ADDRESSED BOTH CURRENTLY AND IN THE FUTURE. YOU CAN'T SOLVE [01:00:04] ALL OF THE PROBLEMS AT ONCE. THE DEP PROCESS THAT HAS YOU IDENTIFY FOCUS AREAS, AND THOSE ARE TYPICALLY LARGE CONCENTRATIONS WHERE YOU HAVE A LOT OF PROBLEMS. THAT IS WHAT WE HAVE DONE AND WHAT WE HAVE PROPOSED FOR YOU IN THE COUNTY. BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT YOU CAN'T SOLVE OTHER PRIORITIES OUTSIDE OF THE FOCUS AREA. AND, IT IS NOT ADVANCING . THERE WE GO. SO, NEXT STEPS, FINAL STEPS, WE WILL FINALIZE WHAT WE CALL THE PRELIMINARY ADAPTATION PLAN. WHAT THAT REALLY MEANS IS RIGHT NOW THERE IS JUST ENOUGH MONEY TO REALLY COME UP WITH SOLUTIONS TO SEE THE VERY, VERY TOP PRIORITIES, AND THAT IS WITH THIS INITIAL ADAPTATION PLAN WILL DO. YOU'VE ALSO APPLIED FOR AN ADDITIONAL GRANT, AN ADAPTATION GRANT. IF YOU GET THAT , THEN THAT WOULD BE THE NEXT PHASE OF THE PROJECT, AND THAT WOULD ALLOW US TO CONTINUE TO WORK DOWN THROUGH YOUR LIST OF PRIORITIES. WITH THAT WE WILL OPEN IT UP FOR QUESTIONS. >> I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. ARTICLE ASSETS . I THINK WE LEARNED, EXCUSE ME , WE LEARNED THAT NORTH CAROLINA, THERE WAS A PLANT THAT PROVIDED IV FLUIDS TO, LIKE, HALF OF THE NATION , AND IT WAS FLOODED OUT, AND THEREFORE EVERYBODY IS KIND OF WRINGING THEIR HANDS. WHEN WE RAN OUT WHERE DO WE GO. DO WE HAVE ANY ASSETS, AND THAT IS THE IMPORTANCE OF NOT ONLY REGIONAL, STATE, BUT NATIONAL, TO LOOK AT THESE PROBLEMS NATIONALLY. DO WE HAVE ANY KIND OF CRITICAL NODES AS SUCH? I MEAN, IF A HOSPITAL GETS FLOODED, WE HAVE , IN CLAY COUNTY, I THINK TWO OTHERS, BUT DO WE HAVE ANY ASSETS IN CLAY COUNTY THAT MIGHT MEET REGIONAL, NATIONAL PRIORITY? >> THERE ARE, AND JUSTIN COULD PROBABLY TELL YOU BETTER, CERTAINLY THERE ARE , AND WHEN WE SAID CRITICAL ASSETS, REALLY THEY EXPANDED THE FOLD DEFINITION OF THAT IN THE LEGISLATION IS CRITICAL AND REGIONALLY SIGNIFICANT ASSETS. SO , THE CRITICAL ASSETS REALLY HAS MORE TO DO WITH WHAT YOU WOULD OWN. SO YOU THINK RHODES, WASTEWATER WATER, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS, THINGS THAT A CITY OR COUNTY WOULD OWN, AND THEN THE REGIONALLY SIGNIFICANT WOULD BE LIKE THE EXAMPLE YOU GAVE IN NORTH CAROLINA , SOMETHING THAT GOES BEYOND JUST AN INDIVIDUAL COMMUNITY, AND HAS, YOU KNOW , HAS A MUCH BROADER IMPACT. IF IT EXISTS IN CLAY COUNTY, WE HAVE ANALYZED IT . >> THE NEXT QUESTION I HAVE, THERE ARE A LOT OF ORGANIZATIONS LOOKING AT THIS, ONE OF THEM BEING FLOOD CENTRAL . DO YOU GUYS WORK WITH THEM? I THINK THAT IS WHAT THEY ARE CALLED. FLOOD CENTRAL ORGANIZATION, THAT THEY, THEY ARE LOOKING AT THINGS AS SUCH. THEY CAN MODEL FLOODING CAUSED BY STORMWATER COMPOUNDED BY, YOU KNOW, COMPOUND FLOODING WITH SEALEVEL RISE AND THINGS LIKE THAT. >> IS. YEAH. WE AREN'T WORKING WITH THEM DIRECTLY ON THIS PROJECT, BUT WE HAVE PROBABLY DONE SOMETHING SIMILAR TO WHAT THEY DO. WE HAVE A HIGHLY DETAILED MODEL OF THE WHOLE COUNTY, AND PROBABLY SIMILAR TO WHAT THEY WOULD , AND THEN WE HAVE LOOKED AT RAINFALL INDUCE FLOODING AND TITLE FLOODING, THE SEARCH. >> IS 500 YEAR FLOODS THAT ARE HAPPENING EVERY 50 YEARS BUT WE MIGHT WANT TO RENAME THEM. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? >> I HAVE ONE QUESTION FOR YOU. YOU MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE AN ANSWER TO THIS, BUT I THINK IT IS WORTHWHILE TO TALK ABOUT. DO YOU SEE STATEWIDE THE LEGISLATURE USING THESE VULNERABILITY ASSESSMENTS AND THESE FLOOD ASSESSMENTS TO KIND OF DRIVE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODES AND BUILDING CODES AT THE LOCAL LEVEL ? THE REASON I AM ASKING IS BECAUSE I HAVE BEEN FOLLOWING, I AM KIND OF INTRIGUED BY THE WHOLE , THE LITTLE MICROCOSM OF TREASURE ISLAND, FLORIDA , AND THE DIFFICULTIES THEY ARE GOING THROUGH WITH SO MANY NOW NONCONFORMING PROPERTIES, OLDER PROPERTIES THAT WERE GRANDFATHERED IN , AND THEY DON'T MEET CURRENT BUILDING STANDARDS. A LOT OF THOSE ACTUALLY HELD UP PROBABLY BETTER THAN THE NEWER BUILDINGS, BUT WHAT IS INTRIGUING TO ME ABOUT IT , IF, IF THIS IS TRUE, AND I HAVE NOT GONE TO INDEPENDENTLY VERIFY IT, THAT FLORIDA IS THE ONLY STATE LEFT IN THE NATION THAT ALLOWS GROUND-LEVEL BUILDING IN FLOOD PRONE AREAS, FLOOD ZONES. SO WE ALLOW CAMINO, HOMES TO BE BUILT AT GRADE LEVEL INSTEAD OF BEING UP AT, ELEVATED, AND CERTAINLY WELL WE ARE ON A COAST, WE HAVE A LOT OF PROPERTY IN CLAY COUNTY THAT SITS IN THOSE HONORABLE AREAS. ST. JOHNS RIVER YOU KNOW, BLACK [01:05:02] CREEK, DOCTORS LAKE. I JUST WONDER, DO YOU THINK THAT THIS , THAT THESE ASSESSMENTS ARE GOING TO DRIVE A DIFFERENT LEVEL FROM THE STATE? >> GREAT QUESTION. VERY INSIGHTFUL QUESTION. I THINK THIS WILL BE THE BEGINNING OF IT . YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT MOST COMMUNITIES HAVEN'T HAD IS THIS DETAILED OF A LOOK. EVERY COMMUNITY HAS THE FEMA STUDIES AND THOSE ARE GOOD AND USEFUL AND HELPFUL , BUT THEY, BUT THEY ARE NOT AS DETAILED AS WHAT IS BEING DONE HERE. THE FEMA STUDIES ALSO DON'T LOOK AT FUTURE SCENARIOS. SO, THIS IS REALLY THE FOUNDATION OF IF YOU WANT TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT, IF YOU WANTED TO REGULATE DIFFERENTLY , HERE IS WHAT YOU CAN USE, AND HERE IS WHAT YOU CAN BASE IT ON . GUY, I WILL SAY THAT THERE ARE SOME COMMUNITIES EVEN PRIOR TO THIS THAT HAVE REGULATED TO A HIGHER STANDARD , THAT HAVE, THAT HAVE JUST KIND OF DONE IT DIFFERENTLY. IT IS INTERESTING WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE RESULTS OF, ONE OF THEM IS SARASOTA COUNTY, AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE PART OF SARASOTA COUNTY THAT WAS, THAT IS NEWER, THAT WAS DONE ON THOSE REGULATIONS, THERE ARE ALMOST NO FLOODING PROBLEMS. IT WAS THE PART BEFORE THAT THAT HAD MORE SIGNIFICANT FLOODING. SO THAT IS A GOOD CASE STUDY OF , YOU KNOW, THERE IS A REASON TO PROBABLY DO THIS DIFFERENTLY. >> THANK YOU. >> YEAH, JUST, MY DAUGHTER LIVES IN HILLSBORO COUNTY, AND THEY GOT FLOODED OUT PRETTY BAD. HER HOME DID NOT , BUT WE JUST CALL DOWN THERE TODAY, I WAS JUST VISITING THERE THIS WEEKEND , AND THERE WERE I THINK 16,000 HOMES THAT WERE FLOODED OUT, SO THEY, THEY HAVE FORECAST THAT THEY AREN'T GOING TO CLEAN UP, THEY ARE NOT GOING TO BE CLEANED UP ALONGSIDE THE ROAD UNTIL JANUARY, SO FLOODING IS -- STORMWATER , STORM SURGE IS EVEN WORSE. >> TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THINGS ALONG THE COASTLINE AND STORM SURGE , BUT IN THE MIDDLE PORTION OF THE STATE , ORLANDO, LAKELAND, ALL OF THOSE AREAS , SO A MARKETED INCREASE IN GROUNDWATER FLOODING. OBVIOUSLY, THAT IS CAUSED BECAUSE THEY, THEY PUSH THEIR WATER INTO PONDS. THOSE PONDS AND PUSH WATER INTO WETLANDS, TE WETLANDS AND PUTS IT INTO TRIBUTARIES, WHATEVER IT MAY BE. IF YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT SEA LEVEL AND RIVER RIVERS, LEVEL OF INCREASING, THEN WE HAVE TO COME UP WITH A DIFFERENT WAY OF BEING ABLE TO PROCESS STORMWATER FOR EVEN INLAND AREAS? >> THAT IS CORRECT. AND INTERESTINGLY THIS WHOLE GRANT PROGRAM STARTED OUT AS, IT WAS CALLED SOMETHING ALONG THE LINES OF THE RESILIENT COASTAL , RESILIENT COASTLINES OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. A LOT OF THE INLAND COMMUNITIES SAID THAT'S GREAT, BUT WE UNDERSTAND THAT PROBLEMS ARE GETTING WORSE, BUT SO ARE OURS. WE ARE EXPERIENCING MORE RAINFALL. IT IS NOT JUST THE COASTAL COMMUNITIES THAT HAVE THE PROBLEMS, AND THE LEGISLATURE THE FOLLOWING YEAR FIXED THAT, REBRANDED IT, AND THEN OPENED THAT MONEY UP TO BOTH INLAND AND COASTAL COMMUNITIES. >> THANK YOU . >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK [Clay County Utility Authority Rate Study (J. Johnston)] YOU VERY MUCH. APPRECIATE IT. NEXT WE HAVE A PRESENTATION BY THE CC UA JEREMY JOHNSON. >> COMMISSIONERS, ON BEHALF OF OUR HEART OF SUPERVISORS AND THE ENTIRE CCUA TEAM , I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME TALK TO YOU ABOUT THINGS WE HAVE BEEN DOING IT CCUA, AND SPECIFICALLY THE DELIVERY OF OUR FRATES STUDY. THIS IS BEEN AN EFFORT THAT HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR QUITE SOME TIME. WE HAVE BEEN DOING A STRATEGIC PLAN WHICH I BRIEFED YOU ALL ON. WE ALSO DID AN INTEGRATED WATER RESOURCE PLAN. THIS IS THE LAST PIECE OF THE OVERALL BIG PICTURE COMPONENTS LOOKING INTO THE FUTURE. SO I AM GOING TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT BACKGROUND, OUR EXISTING RATES , KIND OF TALK ABOUT HOW OUR CUSTOMER CLASSES ARE STRUCTURED TO TALK ABOUT KEY OBJECTIVES THAT WE HEARD FROM WORKSHOPS AND DISCUSSIONS WITH OUR LORD , TALK ABOUT THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE FUTURE POPULATION GROWTH AND WHAT OUR REVENUE REQUIREMENTS ARE . THE RECOMMENDATIONS OUT OF THE RATE STUDY, AND THEN HOW DO WE PROCEED FORWARD FROM HERE. I WILL POINT OUT THAT THESE ARE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE CONSULTANT. OUR BOARD HAS NOT ADOPTED ANY OF THEM . SOME MOVING FORWARD, THESE ARE GOING TO BE DISCUSSIONS THAT WE WILL HAVE WITH THE BOARD AND STAKEHOLDERS MOVING FORWARD . LIKE I POINTED OUT, WE BEGAN WORK ON THIS RATE STUDY BACK IN FISCAL YEAR 2021-2022. WE HELD THREE DIFFERENT WORKSHOPS WITH OUR LORD, DISCUSSING PHILOSOPHY AND RATES , AND HOW , WHAT WERE [01:10:04] KEY ASPECTS FROM A POLICY PERSPECTIVE THAT WAS IMPORTANT TO OUR BOARD. IN THIS TIME WE ALSO EXPERIENCED SIGNIFICANT PRICE INCREASES IN OUR CAPITAL PROGRAM PROJECTS. THE SAME ISSUES THAT YOU ALL EXPERIENCED IN YOUR ROADWAY PROJECTS, WE ARE EXPERIENCING ON OUR PLANNED PROJECTS. ALSO TO HELP FOSTER DEVELOPMENT IN AN ORGANIZED MANNER, WE DID PROPOSER DID ADOPT THE LAKE ASBURY MASTER PLANNING AREA , TRUNK MAINE CAPITAL RECOVERY POLICY, SORRY FOR THE LONG NAME ON THAT ONE. THIS IS TO HELP US FUND THE LARGE DIAMETER TRUNK MAN'S ALONG KEY CORRIDORS IN LAKE ASBURY, BECAUSE THE COST OF THESE LARGE DIAMETER TRUNK MAN'S COULD POTENTIALLY BE A BARRIER OF ENTRY FOR BUSINESSES COMING INTO THE COUNTY, SO IT MADE SENSE FOR US TO PUT THOSE, THAT POLICY IN PLACE TO PIONEER THOSE PIPELINES. SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE CAPITAL PROGRAM AND THE POLICY, THAT LED TO OUR ACQUISITION OF $105 MILLION IN FINANCING OVER TWO FISCAL YEARS. I WILL POINT OUT THAT THE ACQUISITION AND FINANCING WAS NOT IN THE ORIGINAL SCOPE OF SERVICES BY THE CONSULTANT CDM SMITH. LAST DECEMBER WE DID PROCESS A CHANGE ORDER TO THEIR AGREEMENT THAT DID WEAVE IN THE $105 MILLION IN FINANCING, AND SOME CHANGES IN OUR BORROWING, ET CETERA . SOME OF THE KEY FINDINGS FROM THE EXISTING RATES WAS OUR WASTEWATER RATE STRUCTURE WAS CONSISTENT WITH INDUSTRY STANDARDS . THOSE OF YOU ALL THAT HAVE WORKED WITH ME, YOU KNOW I AM A NUMBERS GUY. I AM ALSO IN STANDARD SKY, SO WE FOLLOWED THAT A WW WAY, AND WE WENT THROUGH THE ENTIRE PROCESS. THE CONSULTANT DID RIGHTLY POINT OUT THAT OUR RECLAIMED WATER RATE IS A CONCESSIONARY RATES , AND IT IS DESIGNED TO ENCOURAGE SOME RECUPERATION OF FUNDS , BUT IT IS NOT A COST OF SERVICE MODEL. I WILL TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT LATER. THEY ALSO NOTED THAT OUR PORTABLE RATES WERE CONSIDERED SOLID WITH NO RED FLAGS, BUT THEY DID COME BACK WITH SOME RECOMMENDATIONS. I WILL TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT OUR EXISTING RATES. WE HAVE TWO MAIN CATEGORIES, RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL. AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, THEY ARE COMPARED. THE METER BASE CHARGES ARE VERY CLOSELY RELATED TO OUR DEBT SERVICE AND FIXED COST. THAT IS WHAT YOU SEE THERE AT THE 1308 FROM THE METER. ON THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE WE HAVE A TIERED RATE STRUCTURE . 0 TO 6000, 6000 TO 12, ET CETERA , THAT IS, IT ENCOURAGES A PRICE SIGNAL , THE MORE WATER YOU USE, THE HIGHER YOUR BILL IS GOING TO BE. ONE IMPORTANT POINT ON THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE, 0 TO 6000 GALLONS REPRESENTS 67% OF OUR CUSTOMERS ROUGHLY. IF YOU GO BACK TO YOUR FUNDAMENTAL STATISTICS, ONE STANDARD DEVIATIN FROM THE MEAN WATER USE IS ROUGHLY 67% OF YOUR POPULATION, SO THAT IS HOW THEY CAME UP WITH THAT , THAT NUMBER FOR THE 6000 GALLONS. IT REPRESENTS ESSENTIALLY A CENTRAL USE OF CUSTOMERS FOR BASIC NEEDS . WHEN YOU COMPARE THAT TO THE COMMERCIAL, AGAIN , THE BASE CHARGES, TIED TO FIXED COST, THERE IS A METER EQUIVALENCY THE HIGHER YOU GO UP. BUT YOU NOTICE COMMERCIAL CUSTOMERS ARE A FLAT RATE OF $2.71 PER 1000 GALLONS. THAT IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE A COMMERCIAL CUSTOMER COULD BE OBVIOUSLY EVERYONE WOULD GO IMMEDIATELY TO OUR LARGE WATER USER OFF OF -- NIAGARA, THEY PAY A COMMERCIAL RATE. BUT WHAT IS ALSO IMPORTANT IS WHEN YOU LOOK AT RESTAURANTS , YOU LOOK AT DOCTORS OFFICES, HOSPITALS, SCHOOLS, AND I WILL EVEN SAY , THE MASTER METER MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENTS , APARTMENT COMPLEXES, ALL FIT WITHIN THAT COMMERCIAL RATE . WASTEWATER RATE STRUCTURE IS COMPARABLE TO OR HAS SIMILAR BASE CHARGES AS TO THE WATER. NO ONE THING THAT WAS DETERMINED GOING BACK TO THE ORIGINS OF THE UTILITY ON THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE, BASICALLY A HOUSE IS A HOUSE REGARDLESS OF SIZE , AND THAT THERE WAS A DETERMINATION THAT GENERALLY SPEAKING, 10,000 GALLONS PER HOUSEHOLD IS WHAT WOULD BE COMING TO THE PLANT. SO IF YOU ARE A CUSTOMER AND YOU DO NOT HAVE RECLAIMED WATER, YOUR WASTEWATER CHARGES ARE CAPPED AT 10,000 GALLONS. HOWEVER, IF YOU ARE A RECLAIMED CUSTOMER, AND YOU USE 20,000 GALLONS OF POTABLE WATER, YOU WILL BE CHARGED FOR THAT 20,000 , BECAUSE THAT CAP COMES OFF. AND AGAIN THERE IS A FLAT RATE ON SEWER CHARGES ON THE COMMERCIAL [01:15:07] SIDE. YOU WILL NOTICE A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL CUSTOMERS ON THOSE FLOW CHARGES. WHAT THEY ORIGINALLY HAD DONE WAS A SLIGHT DIFFERENCE TO CONSIDER THE HIGHER TYPE OF CONCENTRATIONS OF WASTEWATER FLOW THAT WOULD BE COMING FROM COMMERCIAL BUSINESSES , WHICH WOULD INCLUDE RESTAURANTS AND OTHER TYPES OF COMMERCIAL PURPOSES. THE RECLAIM RATE STRUCTURE, AGAIN , FIXED AND VARIABLE COST, THAT IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN YOUR BASE AND YOUR FLOW CHARGES. YOU CAN SEE HERE ON THE TIERED RATE STRUCTURE AND THE COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL, IT IS PRICED SUCH THAT WE ARE GETTING SOME FUNDS , BUT IT IS NOT ON A COST TO SERVICE MODEL. IT IS A CONCESSIONARY MODEL. SO LOOKING AT OUR CUSTOMERS BY CLASS, WE HAVE FOUR PRIMARY CUSTOMER CLASSES THAT WE SERVE. OUR LARGEST IS OBVIOUSLY RESIDENTIAL. 93% OF OUR CUSTOMERS ARE RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMERS . 6% ARE COMMERCIAL AND AGAIN THERE IS A VARIETY OF CUSTOMERS THAT FIT WITHIN THIS COMMERCIAL CATEGORY , AND THEN WE DO HAVE COMMERCIAL POTABLE IRRIGATION, SO WHEN YOU THINK OF MEMORY GARDENS, THEY IRRIGATE USING POTABLE WATER, AND SO THEY ARE COMMERCAL POTABLE IRRIGATION. WE DO HAVE HYDRANT METERS. ON MOODY ROAD, YOU MAY SEE FREEDOM PEST CONTROL THAT IS AT A FIRE HYDRANT FILLING THEIR TANKS. THEY DO HAVE A HYDRANT METER AND WE DO BUILD ON FOR THE WATER THAT THEY USE FOR THEIR PEST CONTROL SERVICES. ALL RIGHT. SO, IN DISCUSSIONS WITH OUR BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AND THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE RATE STUDY, WE HEARD THREE KEY OBJECTIVES COME OUT OF THOSE DISCUSSIONS. THE FIRST WAS EQUITY IN RATES. WE WANT THE RATE STRUCTURES TO BE FAIR , AND ESSENTIALLY WHAT THAT MEANT AS WE UNDERSTOOD IT IS THAT ONE DOLLAR PER GALLON IS ONE DOLLAR PER GALLON REGARDLESS OF CUSTOMER CLASS . THAT IS REFLECTED IN THE RATE STUDY. SIMPLICITY. SO WHEN CUSTOMERS READ THEIR BILL , THEY CAN EASILY UNDERSTAND IT. SAME THING WITH OUR STAFF BEING ABLE TO EXPLAIN THE RATES AND THE RATE STRUCTURE. THAT SIMPLICITY WAS IMPORTANT. NOW, CCUA IS A SPECIAL LEGISLATIVE DISTRICT AND WE ARE EXPECTED TO OPERATE LIKE A BUSINESS. SO , REVENUE STABILITY FOR US IS INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT , BECAUSE WE SET RATES BASED UPON HOW WE ORGANIZE OUR OPERATING COSTS , BOTH FIXED AND VARIABLE COSTS. THOSE EXPENSES ARE SUMMED UP AND THAT IS HOW WE COME UP WITH THE RATES FOR THOSE PARTICULAR CUSTOMERS AND SERVICES THAT WE PROVIDE. SO , REVENUE STABILITY IS INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT TO US. ALL RIGHT. SO, ONE TOPIC OF CONVERSATION CAN OBVIOUSLY BE , WE COULD LEAVE RATES ALONE AND JUST RELY ON POPULATION GROWTH TO MEET OUR PARTICULAR NEEDS, AND WE ANALYZED THAT PARTICULAR PROBLEM. SO WE LOOKED AT, AND I WILL SAY ONE OF THE FUNDAMENTAL PRESUPPOSITIONS OR ASSUMPTIONS IN THE RATE STUDY IS A 2% GROWTH RATE WHEN YOU LOOK AT LONG-TERM. OBVIOUSLY WE ARE GETTING READY TO MOVE INTO SOMETHING HIGHER THAN THAT. WHILE THE RATE STUDY HAS A 2% GROWTH IS A FUNDAMENTAL ASSUMPTION , CURRENTLY THIS LAST YEAR WE RECOGNIZED OR ARE RECOGNIZING OVER 1500 CUSTOMER ACCOUNTS. LAST YEAR, WHICH PUTS US IN THE 3% GROWTH CATEGORY. JUST LOOKING AT BOTH OUR SERVICE AVAILABILITY DEPARTMENT AS WELL AS TRACKING COUNTY BUILDING PERMITS, WE FULLY EXPECT TO MOVE INTO PROBABLY A 4 TO 5% GROWTH RATE IN THE COMING YEARS. THE REALITY OF THAT, WHILE WE ARE ENTERING INTO THOSE HIGH-GROWTH PERIODS , THESE TWO GRAPHS COMPARE WHAT OUR REVENUE REQUIREMENT IS. AND THIS IS OBVIOUSLY TO ME OPERATIONAL EXPECTATIONS AS WELL AS OUR PERFORMANCE FOR REGULATORY PERFORMANCE, PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAFETY, DEBT SERVICE CHARGE, ET CETERA. SO THE GRAPH ON THE LEFT SHOWS THE REVENUE REQUIREMENTS IN THAT BOLD BLUE LINE, BUT JUST POPULATION GROWTH DOES NOT MEET THE REVENUE REQUIREMENTS, SO THERE HAS TO BE A COMBINATION. SO WE LOOKED AT A COMBINATION OF POPULATION GROWTH WITH A SERIES OF RATE INCREASES. THOSE RATE INCREASES WERE PROJECTED AT 5% . AS YOU CAN SEE WE ACTUALLY END UP GENERATING SURPLUSES AT THAT POINT. SO WE ARE REQUIRED BY THE ENABLING LEGISLATION , WHERE EXPENSES AND THE RATES , THE REVENUE REQUIREMENTS ARE EQUAL. WE CANNOT GENERATE A [01:20:02] PROFIT . SO IF THERE IS A SURPLUS GENERATED BY OUR OWN POLICIES , THAT IS THEN REFERRED TO THE CAPITAL PROGRAM SO WE CAN DEFER DEBT , SO WE DON'T HAVE TO TAKE ON ADDITIONAL DEBT MOVING FORWARD. SOME OTHER ASSUMPTIONS I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT BEYOND JUST THE POPULATION GROWTH. THIS RATE STUDY DOES NOT INCLUDE POTENTIAL CAPITAL INVESTMENTS WITH THE NORTH FLORIDA PROJECT EFFORTS, WHICH THAT REPORT IS NEARLY FINISHED . SO THAT IS NOT INCLUDED IN THE RATE STUDY. WHEN YOU LOOK AT CONTAMINANTS OF EMERGING CONCERN, LIKE THE FOREVER CHEMICALS, THERE ARE SO MANY UNKNOWNS. THOSE ARE NOT INCLUDED IN THE RATE STUDY , EITHER. THOSE COULD ALL HAVE DRAMATIC IMPACTS ON FUTURE RATES. THE KEY RECOMMENDATIONS COMING OUT OF THE RATE STUDY WERE CCUA SHOULD CONSIDER APPLYING THE TIERED RATE STRUCTURE THAT CURRENTLY EXISTS FOR RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMERS, AND APPLYING THAT TO COMMERCIAL CUSTOMERS . THIS IS THE EQUITY QUESTION. SO ONE DOLLAR PER GALLON IS A DOLLAR PER GALLON. THE NEXT RECOMMENDATION IS MOVING TO AN INDUSTRY STANDARD, HIGH STRENGTH SURCHARGE. OUR CURRENT SERVICE AVAILABILITY POLICY DOES HAVE A CALCULATION IN THEIR . IT WAS LIKELY FROM SOME STANDARD IN THE 1990S, BUT IT IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH TODAY'S STANDARDS. SO THAT WOULD REQUIRE US TO DO A LITTLE BIT OF WORK. IT HAS THE POTENTIAL TO AFFECT THE NUMBER OF COMMERCIAL CUSTOMERS, AND IT DOES GET INTO THINGS LIKE BIOCHEMICAL OXYGEN DEMAND, TOTAL SUSPENDED SOLIDS, BECAUSE THOSE HIGHER CONCENTRATIONS DO AFFECT PLANT CAPACITY, SO IT WILL TAKE SOME TECHNICAL ANALYSIS IN ADVANCING THAT PARTICULAR EFFORT, BUT I DO THINK THAT THAT IS A WORTHWHILE PURSUIT. THEN FINALLY, MOVING CCUA FROM A CONCESSIONARY RATE STRUCTURE ON RECLAIMED WATER TO A COST OF SERVICE. NOW THIS GOES BACK TO WHEN RECLAIMED WATER WAS FIRST INSTITUTED AT CCUA IS A CONCESSIONARY MODEL. WAS NEVER DISTINGUISHED BETWEEN WHAT WAS PART OF THE WASTEWATER PROCESS, AND WHAT WAS PART OF THE RECLAIMED WATER PROCESS. SO WE WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH AN ENGINEERING ANALYSIS SO WE CAN METHODICALLY SEGREGATE WHAT IS WASTEWATER VERSUS WHAT IS RECLAIMED WATER. SO THAT WOULD REQUIRE SOME ADDITIONAL ENGINEERING WORK SO WE ARE DOING IT CONSISTENTLY ACROSS ALL PLANTS TO MAKE SURE WE ARE CAPTURING WHAT IS THE ACTUAL COST TO SERVICE. SO THAT IS A LOT. I COULD SIT HERE AND TALK ON DETAILS OF THIS FOR PROBABLY THE NEXT THREE HOURS, BUT I KNOW YOU DON'T WANT TO LISTEN TO ME TALK ON THAT. WHAT WE RECOMMENDED TO OUR BOARD IS TO HOLD THREE SEPARATE WORKSHOPS DEALING WITH EACH PARTICULAR RECOMMENDATION . SO THE FIRST WORKSHOP IS GOING TO BE A WEEK FROM TODAY . THAT WORKSHOP WILL BE PART OF OUR NORMALLY SCHEDULED BOARD MEETING, AND WE WILL BE TALKING THROUGH THE TIERED RATE STRUCTURE, APPLYING THAT TO COMMERCIAL CUSTOMERS, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN, WHAT ARE THE IMPLICATIONS, ET CETERA . AND THEN IN DECEMBER, WE WILL HANDLE THE HIGH STRENGTH SURCHARGES, AND THEN IN JANUARY, THE COST OF SERVICE MODEL FOR RECLAIMED WATER. SO ONCE A MONTH, WE WILL CARRY ONE OF THOSE TOPICS FORWARD. EACH WORKSHOP WILL BE ABLE TO GO THROUGH DETAILS WITHIN THE RATE STUDY, WILL BE ABLE TO TALK THE FUNDAMENTAL ASSUMPTIONS IN THE ANALYSIS, AND WHAT ARE THOSE PARTICULAR APPLICATIONS. IT WILL ALSO GIVE US AN OPPORTUNITY FROM STAFF'S PERSPECTIVE TO GIVE OUR RECOMMENDATIONS , AS WELL AS HEAR FROM KEY STAKEHOLDERS, INTERESTED CUSTOMERS, ET CETERA , FOR, THAT WOULD BE OF INTEREST FOR OUR BOARD. BUT I ALSO WANT TO SAY THAT OUR BOARD HAS BEEN VERY INTENTIONAL IN LOOKING AT THIS IN SOME DETAIL. THEY DID NOT WANT TO DO A KNEE-JERK REACTION AND JUST ADOPT THE RATE STUDY . THEY WANT TO BE VERY METHODICAL TO THAT, SO THEY ARE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT IMPACTS TO BUSINESS, AND THEN TO OUR CUSTOMER BASE. SO I GREATLY APPRECIATE THAT, BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THE SUSTAINABILITY, NOT ONLY FROM AN ENVIRONMENTAL PERSPECTIVE, BUT THE ECONOMIC PERSPECTIVE OF THE COUNTY IS INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT, AND I THINK THAT IS A BALANCING ACT WITH THE RATE STUDY. SO WITH THAT, I CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE. >> ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. JOHNSON? SEEING NONE, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. NOW COMES [CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICERS] TIME FOR ME TO RECOGNIZE ANY CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICERS IN THE AUDIENCE. I DON'T SEE ANYTHING, ANYONE, EXCEPT FOR CLERK. DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO SHARE WITH US TONIGHT? >> THIS IS YOUR NIGHT. >> IT IS. I APPRECIATE THAT. [01:25:01] NO, BECAUSE IT IS ONLY GOING TO BE A LONG EVENING, BUT I DID WANT TO TAKE AN SECOND. I HAVE AN ITEM ON THE AGENDA FURTHER DOWN, BUT I DID WANT TO TAKE A SECOND TO WISH COMMISSIONER CELLA THE BEST. HE HAS BEEN GREAT TO WORK WITH . THERE WERE A LOT OF CHALLENGES THAT WE HAD TO GET THROUGH, SOME OF THE RECENT, THE RECENT CHANGES. I APPRECIATE YOUR SUPPORT IN THAT IN THAT IT THE KORAN THAT YOU ALWAYS HAVE. IT HAS BEEN AMAZING AND THAT IS A LOT TO SAY ABOUT YOUR INTEGRITY AND YOUR ETHICS AND YOUR CREDIBILITY. I WANTED TO JUST SAY THAT OUT PERSONALLY. I NEED YOU TO TALK TO JOHN ABOUT WHO IS GOING TO BE PROVIDING MINTS OVER HERE IN THE FUTURE. THERE IS GOING TO BE A HOLE AND WE NEED TO FILL THAT. TRAIN THEM WELL. >> I'LL GIVE YOU A STASH. [APPROVAL OF MINUTES] >> IT DOES NOT HURT TO HAVE A LITTLE EXTRA AMMUNITION OVER HERE. >> NEXT ON THE AGENDA IS APPROVAL OF MINUTES . I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM THE OCTOBER 22 BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS MEETING. A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE THE OCTOBER 22 BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS MEETING. ANY COMMENTS, QUESTIONS, CONCERNS? HEARING NONE, SEEING NONE, DO I HAVE A MOTION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. ANY NAYS LIKE SIGN. THAT PASSES [PUBLIC COMMENTS] UNANIMOUSLY. NEXT ON THE AGENDA IS THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD. I HAVE SEVERAL CARDS ALREADY. THIS PORTION OF THE AGENDA IS DESIGNED TO ALLOW CITIZENS THE OPPORTUNITY TO BRING MATTERS OF SUBSTANCE TO THE ATTENTION OF THE BOARD. AT THIS TIME THE BOARD WILL NOT ENGAGE IN DEBATE OR ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, YOU MAY EMAIL THOSE QUESTIONS TO ASK CLAY AT CLAYCOUNTYGOV.COM, AND STAFF WILL ADDRESS YOUR QUESTIONS. OR YOU MAY EMAIL YOUR DISTRICT COMMISSIONER WITH ANY CONCERNS. PUBLIC COMMENT CARDS ARE CONVENIENTLY PLACED IN THE MEETING ROOM ENTRANCE, AND SHOULD BE SUBMITTED TO THE CLERK ON, ON MY FAR RIGHT, YOUR FAR LEFT. YOU ARE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES, AND BEFORE ADDRESSING THE BOARD, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. LIKE I SAID, I HAVE SEVERAL CARDS HERE, SO WE WILL GO IN THE ORDER I RECEIVED THEM PICKING WE HAVE MR. HUNTINGTON FROM WASTE MANAGEMENT. THE MICROPHONE IS YOURS. >> FOR THE RECORD, GREG HUNTINGTON THE COMPANY AND WITH HIS WN. MY ADDRESS IS ON FILE. CHAIRMAN , COMMISSIONERS, I JUST WANTED TO TAKE A BRIEF MOMENT TO THINK -- THANK MY GOOD FRIEND COMMISSIONER MIKE CELLA FOR HIS EIGHT YEARS OF PUBLIC SERVICE. HE ALLUDED TO IT AND YOU KNOW THIS TO BE TRUE THAT PUBLIC SERVICE IS A SACRIFICE. IT IS NO EASY TASK. I HAVE BEEN IN MY ROLE OF MUNICIPAL MARKETING AND GOVERNMENT AFFAIRS IS 2015 AND AT ONE POINT IN TIME I HAD THE ENTIRE STATE. I HAVE DEALT WITH A LOT OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS ÚAND CITY COUNCILMAN FROM ACROSS THE STATE AND I CAN TELL YOU THAT THEY ARE NOT ALL CREATED EQUAL IN THE WAY IN WHICH THEY APPROACH THE JOB. SOME APPROACH IT FOR THE RIGHT REASONS AND SOME FOR NOT SO MUCH THE RIGHT REASONS. IT WAS OBVIOUS IN THE PRESENTATION OR THAT YOU GAVE, COMMISSIONER CELLA, THEN YOU HAVE DONE IT FOR THE RIGHT REASONS. HE HAS DONE A TERRIFIC JOB OVER THE EIGHT YEARS. MIKE , FROM YOUR FRIEND THE MANGLER, THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE AND THANK YOU FOR A JOB WELL DONE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. >> THANK YOU. >> NEXT I HAVE ROBIN GARDNER. ROBIN GARDNER, ARE YOU HERE? I WILL PUT THAT UNTIL -- BRITNEY TAYLOR. >> MY NAME IS BRITNEY TAYLOR. >> THERE YOU GO. PULL IT RIGHT DOWN, MOUTH LEVEL. >> MY ADDRESS IS 2812 OAKLAND DRIVE, GREEN COVE. I AM HERE BECAUSE MY DAUGHTER GOES TO WRITE OUT ELEMENTARY. AND APPALACHIA COLA AND HENLEY HAS BECOME A VERY DANGEROUS INTERSECTION , AND I WOULD LIKE A RED LIGHT PUT IN , AND I HAVE SPOKEN TO DR. BURKE ABOUT IT, AND I BELIEVE THAT THEY HAVE DONE A STUDY, OR THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE ONE PUT IN. EVERY DAY MORE PEOPLE MOVE IN AND IT IS JUST GETTING MORE DANGEROUS. THE LINE GETS BACKED UP WHERE THE TRAFFIC IS SO BAD THAT PARENTS CAN'T DROP THEIR CHILDREN OFF IN THE MORNING. IT IS JUST AT A STANDSTILL. SO, THAT'S IT. >> OKAY. THANK YOU. RICHARD KLINSMANN . >> RICHARD KLINSMANN, 1985 -- TRAIL -- BEFORE I GET STARTED ON THAT, I ALSO WANTED TO THANK MR. CELLA FOR HIS SERVICE . HE HAS ALWAYS BEEN A GENTLEMAN. HE HAS ALWAYS HAD THE PROPER DECORUM . HE IS EASILY APPROACHABLE, AND HE IS WILLING TO DISCUSS ANY ISSUE , WHETHER YOU ARE IN HIS DISTRICT OR NOT. [01:30:04] SO, THANK YOU , MR. CELLA, AND GOOD LUCK TO WHEREVER YOU WILL LAND NEXT. MY MAIN CONCERN , LIKE MY NEIGHBOR JUST SAID, IS THIS TRAFFIC , AND HOW MUCH WORSE THINGS ARE GETTING. IT HAS BEEN DETERIORATING IN THIS COUNTY FOR 20 YEARS , EVER SINCE THE INFESTATION OF THESE DEVELOPERS COMING IN AND GIVEN FREE REIGN TO WREAK HAVOC ON THE ENVIRONMENT AND THE WILDLIFE . IT, IT IS JUST NOT GOING TO STOP UNTIL WE COME UP WITH A PLAN TO STOP THEM. IN THAT VEIN, AS YOU CAN SEE , THAT WAS ALLUDED TO , TWO PRESENTATIONS , WERE INCREASED FLOODING, AND WE ARE GETTING INCREASED FLOODING BECAUSE OUR DEVELOPERS ARE CLEAR CUTTING AND BURNING TREES, AND THEY ARE PAVING OVER WITH CONCRETE WHEREVER THEY CAN SO THE WATER HAS GOT NOWHERE TO GO. THEY ARE THE PROBLEM , AND UNTIL WE STAND UP AND APPROACH THEM AND STOP THEM , IT IS NOT GOING TO GET ANY BETTER . AND LEADING TO THAT THEN , WE HAVE THE PROBLEM OF TRAFFIC , AND ASKED MY NEIGHBOR JUST ALLUDED TO , I APPROACHED COMMISSIONER HUTCHINGS YEARS AGO ABOUT A RED LIGHT AT HENLEY AND APALACHICOLA , AND SHE DIDN'T TAKE ME SERIOUSLY , BECAUSE NOTHING HAS EVER BEEN DONE. THAT WAS YEARS AGO, AND NOW IT IS EVEN WORSE. AND I , I AM STILL RECOVERING FROM SURGERY , SO I MISSED OUT THE CHANCE TO GO TO THE MEETING AT RIGHT OUT ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, AND I WAS STUNNED , AND MORE THAN PLEASANTLY SURPRISED TO FIND OUT I AM NOT THE ONLY ONE WITH THESE VIEWS. THERE WERE A LOT OF PEOPLE THERE WHO WERE FURIOUS OVER THIS UPCOMING PROJECT TO WIDEN 220 . SOME PEOPLE THINK IT IS NECESSARY. THINK IT IS AT THIS POINT AND I HAVE BEEN LIVING THERE FOR 37 YEARS. SO I HAVE SEEN HOW IT HAS WORSENED. BUT WHEN I AM THINKING NOW IS INSTEAD OF PANDERING TO THE DEVELOPERS AND WIDENING THE ROADS FOR THESE PEOPLE TO GET AROUND EASIER, SUPPOSEDLY , AND ENCOURAGING EVEN MORE PEOPLE TO COME IN -- OKAY, THANK YOU . I'D LIKE TO JUST TO SEE IT STOP UNTIL WE MAKE IT SO MISERABLE FOR THEM THAT THEY WON'T BUILD ANY MORE SUBDIVISIONS HERE AND ENCOURAGE MORE GROWTH. THANK YOU. >> I HAVE A CARD FROM MR. COSBY, AND THEN BLOOM FOR THE SECOND PUBLIC HEARING , SO IF THAT IS WHAT YOU REALLY WANTED , I AM GOING TO RECALL YOU IN A MINUTE OR LATER ON IN THE AGENDA. THE NEXT INDIVIDUAL IS JAMES OTTO ERIC AND I WANT TO WARN YOU UP FRONT, THIS IS AN ISSUE BASED I'M NOT GOING TO TOLERATE ANY PERSONAL ATTACKS. SO STAY ISSUE BASED. >> OH , IT IS ISSUE BASED. JAMES OTTO, 2908 WAYNE BOULEVARD, CLAY COUNTY, FLORIDA. YOU KNOW , MIKE CELLA -- >> YOU ARE VERY CLOSE TO ME JUST SHUTTING OFF YOUR MIKE. WHAT IS THE ISSUE YOU WANT TO DISCUSS? >> I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE MY THREE MINUTES, SIR. >> WITH ISSUES. YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES FOR ISSUES. >> LASTING IMPACT WAS TALKING ABOUT EARLIER. I AGREE FAST GROWTH IS BAD GROWTH. THE ROADS ARE DANGEROUS THESE CHARTER SCHOOLS HAVE NO BUSES . THE TRAFFIC IS AN ISSUE . NO TAX BREAKS TO THESE CHARTER SCHOOLS. I MEAN, THEY SHOULD BE PAYING THE OTHER SCHOOLS. I'M GOING TO CELEBRATE THIS. I HEARD WHAT YOU SAID AT THE BEGINNING I'M GOING TO CELEBRATE IT. IT HAS BEEN HOW MANY YEARS OF OVERGROWTH FROM THE PRIOR BOARD PASSED ON TO THIS BOARD. IT HAS BEEN A NIGHTMARE . THESE PEOPLE ARE COMING UP HERE TO GET THINGS THEN TURN AROUND AND SAY WHAT A MESS IT IS. WE HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING ABOUT THE TRASH TODAY, EITHER. THAT IS AN ISSUE. BUT THE PRIOR BOARD HAS PUSHED THIS BAD GROWTH ON THIS COUNTY . AS THE NEWS HAS STATED OVER AND OVER , UNLESS TELEVISION AND OTHER , OTHER ENTITIES . THIS IS, YOU KNOW, FOLKS, LOOK AT YOUR , YOUR COUNTY COMMISSIONERS EMAILS. THEY ARE PUBLIC RECORD. THERE WAS NO RUNNING MATE DUE TO THE MESS THAT THIS COUNTY IS IN. THAT IS [01:35:03] WHY YOU DON'T HAVE PEOPLE WANTING TO TAKE THE SEATS IN MY OPINION. THERE'S A LOT OF TRASH TALK. KEEP THESE CURBS IN THE NORTH SIDE . WE DON'T WANT THEM ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE COUNTY. IT IS NOT COMPATIBLE TO THE WAY WE LIVE OUT IN BETSY CONDON'S AREA. WE DON'T WANT IT. KEEP THOSE TRASH CANS TO YOURSELF UP HERE . THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT DON'T WANT TO DO WITH THAT. YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT VETERAN SUICIDE. WELL , YOU ARE NOT BUILDING A HOMELESS SHELTER. YOU DID NOT GIVE US OUR SMALL BUSINESS MONEY, BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T HAVE A BUSINESS LICENSE REQUIREMENT HERE . MATT, ALL OF US SMALL BUSINESS PEOPLE OUT HERE THAT DIDN'T GET OUR 2000, WE SHOULD BE GETTING OUR 2000. THAT WAS A CRIMINAL THING THAT THIS BOARD HAS DONE BY NOT ALLOWING US TO HAVE THE $2000 FOR SMALL BUSINESSES. THESE CHURCHES ARE GETTING THAT MONEY FROM THE C.A.R.E.S. ACT. YOU JUST GAVE AWAY A BUNCH MORE MONEY THAT WAS AT THE END OF THE POT THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN GOING BACK TO THE SMALL BUSINESSES . NO MAN. JUST MAKES ME SO MAD OVER THESE EIGHT YEARS , AND THEN, YOU KNOW, TO SIT HERE AND LISTEN TO THIS TONIGHT IS JUST, IT IS CRAZY . ABSOLUTELY CRAZY. YOU KICKED ME OUT OF THE MEETING FOR FREEDOM OF SPEECH ON MY T-SHIRT. I MEAN, WHAT THE HECK IS THAT? YOU GUYS HAVE PEOPLE STANDING ALONG THE SIDEWALK. THANK YOU. >> CLAY COUNTY, FLORIDA , >> YOU HEARD YOU. >> >> FELLOW COMMISSIONERS. I WILL MAKE IT REALLY QUICK. I AM THE H AWAY PRESIDENT CURRENTLY . AT THE PLANNING COMMITTEE, I AM GOING TO BE ADDRESSING SOME CONCERNS WITH MY FELLOW HOMEOWNERS THAT WERE NOT ABLE TO MAKE THE MEETING. IF IT IS OKAY I WOULD ASK, I HAVE FIVE STATEMENTS TO READ IF I NEED TO, THAT ARE LESS THAN THREE MINUTES , AND I WOULD LIKE TO INCORPORATE THAT INTO MY THREE MINUTES, SO I MAY RUN OVER, IF THAT IS OKAY WITH THE FELLOW COMMISSIONERS. I WOULD APPRECIATE THAT LENIENCY. WHEN IT COMES TO MY TIME TO MAKE MY STATEMENT, I PROMISE THAT I WILL LIMIT TO LESS THAN ONE MINUTE. IF YOU GUYS WILL ALLOW ME TO READ. >> START READING? >> RIGHT NOW? I'M ON A ITEM NUMBER 41. >> YOU CAN SPEAK NOW AND AT 41 IF YOU WOULD LIKE. >> I WOULD LIKE TO WAIT IF IT IS OKAY. >> THAT'S FINE. >> THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS. >> JOSHUA NORMAN. >> SO IT STARTS WHEN IT'S GREEN? YES. JOSHUA NORMAN , 4116, SAUNDERS DRIVE. I HAVE LIVED AT THAT ADDRESS MY ENTIRE LIFE, BUT THROUGH A LONG STORY THAT STARTS AND ENDS WITH DIVORCE, MY PARENTS LOST IT . I GREW UP, CAME BACK, AND BOUGHT THE PROPERTY. I, WE HAD A MOBILE HOME PUT ON IT. I STARTED A FAMILY. THE FAMILY GOT BIGGER. WIFE DREAMED OF A NICE HOUSE. I SAVED UP FOR IT. I FINALLY GOT IT. WE GOT OUR HOME MOVED OFF OF THE PROPERTY. I MADE VERY TEMPORARY ARRANGEMENTS FOR MY FAMILY. NOW I AM NOT ZONED FOR A REPLACEMENT , AND I HAVE BEEN TALKING TO MY COMMISSIONER ABOUT IT , AND I AM HOPING THAT I CAN GET A VARIANCE OR , I DON'T KNOW WHAT I NEED IN THIS SITUATION. I DON'T KNOW HOW THIS LAW WORKS, BUT THIS IS NOT A RUNDOWN , EYESORE I AM TRYING TO PUT. IT IS A BEAUTIFUL HOME. IT IS NOT EVEN VISIBLE FROM THE ROAD AND IT IS SURROUNDED BY MOBILE HOMES, ANYWAY. I AM KIND OF STUCK IN A HARD SPOT AND I AM HOPING THAT I CAN GET APPROVAL FOR PLACEMENT ON MY PROPERTY. >> I WOULD RECOMMEND AFTER YOU GET DONE SPEAKING THAT MS. CHARISSE IS BACK HERE AND MAYBE SHE CAN HELP YOU OUT. I DON'T KNOW. >> YES, SIR. I KNOW ANOTHER RESIDENT WAS IN A SIMILAR SITUATION. HE CAME AND SPOKE TO YOU GUYS, AND HE WAS ABLE TO GET IT , GET IT PUSHED THROUGH. I'M RUNNING OUT OF TIME IN MY APPROVAL , SO THAT IS WHY I AM STANDING HERE LIKE A SORE THUMB, SCARED TO DEATH. >> I AM PLANNING ON SPEAKING IN [01:40:03] MY COMMENTS ON THE END. >> DID I COME UP TOO EARLY? >> THAT'S FINE. >> IF YOU CARE TO, MISSES STEWART IS HERE AND SHE WILL MEET YOU IN THE BACK OF THE ROOM AND SEE WHAT WE CAN DO. THANK YOU. SHERRY CHASE? >> PULL THAT MICROPHONE DOWN A LITTLE BIT. >> HI. I'M SHERRY CHASE. I LIVE AT 83 OLD HEART. AND THERE ARE A COUPLE OF REASONS I'M HERE TONIGHT. ONE THAT I WANTED TO BRING UP RIGHT NOW, BECAUSE IT IS NOT ON THE AGENDA ANYWHERE, IS WE HAVE LIVED ON OLD HEART ROAD FOR, LIKE, 20 YEARS. DIFFERENT PLACES. OUR MAILBOXES, ALL OF THE MAIL IS ON ONE SIDE OF THE ROAD. IT HAS BECOME SUCH A PROBLEM WITH THE SCHOOL AND THE SCHOOL DIRECTING ALL OF THE TRAFFIC TO COME IN ONE DIRECTION , AND WE CAN'T HARDLY CROSS THE ROAD AT ANY TIME . IT DOESN'T MATTER, BECAUSE THEY ARE SPEEDING DOWN THE ROAD, MY FATHER, MY 90-YEAR-OLD FATHER LIVES WITH US. HE CAN'T HARDLY GET ACROSS THE ROAD TO GET OUR MAIL, SO WE ARE ASKING, CAN YOU PLEASE APPROVE TO HAVE THE MAILBOXES FOR THE PEOPLE ON , LIKE US , THE EAST SIDE OF THE ROAD , TO GET MAILBOXES ON THAT SIDE OF THE ROAD? I HAVE TALKED TO THE POST OFFICE, AND THEY SAID THAT THE COUNTY COMMISSION BOARD HAS TO APPROVE IT. SO, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO GO FROM HERE OR WHERE TO GO, BUT YOU ALL HAVE TO DO IT. >> WOULDN'T THE POST OFFICE HAVE JURISDICTION OVER THAT? >> WHILE THEY TOLD ME, BOTH OUR, WHERE WE ARE, OUR MAIL, THE POST OFFICE GUY ON COLLEGE DRIVE , THE HEAD THERE, THAT GUY, HE'S TOLD ME THAT. SO, ANYWAY. AND, SO , WHAT DO WE, DO YOU KNOW WHAT TO DO? >> WE WILL FIND OUT. WE DON'T KNOW. BUT WE WILL FIND OUT. >> OKAY. I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG THIS IS GOING TO GO ON, AND I KNOW THEY , THE ONLY OTHER THING I WANTED TO SAY IS, DIAGONAL ACROSS THE STREET FROM US, THEY WANT TO PUT, YOU KNOW, 180 HOMES ARE 79 , WHATEVER IT IS. PLEASE, PLEASE, DON'T, WE ARE ZONED AGRICULTURE , YOU KNOW, WHEN ACRE TO A HOME AT LEAST. PLEASE TRY TO STAY WITHIN THAT AT MINIMUM. I MEAN, IT IS SUCH A NIGHTMARE RIGHT NOW. IT IS, OUR LIVES HAVE CHANGED SO MUCH , AND I CAN'T STAND IT. I JUST CAN'T STAND THE TRAFFIC. I CAN'T STAND ANY OF IT. CAN YOU THROW, YOU KNOW, THERE IS OVER 1000 CARS THAT GO DOWN JUST EVERY TIME THE DOORS OPEN AT THE SCHOOL TO PICK UP OUR TAKE THEM AND DROP THEM OFF, AND THEY ARE ALL TRAVELING DOWN OUR ROAD. AND THE PEOPLE, THE PARENTS TAKE THEIR KIDS TO GO TO SCHOOL SAY THAT THE PRINCIPAL WHOEVER IT IS HAS DIRECTED ALL OF THE PARENTS TO COME DOWN OUR ROAD , YOU KNOW, SO THEY CAN LOOP AROUND IN ONE DIRECTION . WE CAN'T STAND IT. IT IS AWFUL. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE SOLUTION IS, BUT TO THROW, YOU KNOW, A COUPLE OF HUNDRED OR MORE , 400 MORE CARS, IF YOU HAVE 180, YOU KNOW, NEW HOMES, I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN EVEN STAND IT. I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU CAN, WE CAN TAKE IT. >> THANK YOU. >> MR. CHAIRMAN, IF I MAY. SO, MA'AM, TROY NAGEL, THE ASSISTANT COUNTY MANAGERS IN THE BACK RIGHT THERE AND HE CAN HELP YOU OUT WITH THE MAILBOXES SITUATION. HE IS RIGHT IN THE BACK STANDING UP HE WILL TAKE CARE OF YOU ON THAT. >> I'M GOING TO CALL ROBIN GARDNER AGAIN FOR THE FIRST PUBLIC HEARING. AND I DON'T SEE HE OR SHE. THAT IS THE ONLY CARDS I HAVE FOR THE FIRST PUBLIC HEARING . IS THERE ANYONE I MR. ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK THAT I HAVEN'T CALLED? SEEING NONE, HEARING NONE, I AM GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND MOVE ON. TO THE CONSENT AGENDA. IT'S ALREADY 5:00. OH, IT IS WAY PAST 5:00. [36.  Final Public Hearing on a request to allow a Medical Marijuana Treatment Center Dispensing Facility within 500 feet from a Private School Parcel.(District 1, Comm. Cella)(M.Brown)] THANK YOU. WE WILL MOVE ON TO 5:00 TIME CERTAIN. WE WILL PICK UP AN ITEM NUMBER 36 , FINAL PUBLIC HEARING A QUEST TO ALLOW A MEDICAL MARIJUANA TREATMENT CENTER DISPENSING FACILITY WITHIN 500 FEET FROM A PRIVATE SCHOOL PARCEL. MR. BROWN. >> CHAIRMAN OF THE COMMISSION, THIS IS AN APPLICATION BY L [01:45:03] HOLDINGS LIMITED . THE AGENT IS MR. JOSH COCKRELL . THIS IS A REQUEST TO LOCATE A MEDICAL MARIJUANA DISTRIBUTION FACILITY WITHIN 500 FEET OF A PUBLIC OR PRIVATE SCHOOL. IT IS IN DOCTORS INLET, RIDGEWOOD PLANNING DISTRICT, COMMISSIONER DISTRICT ONE. JUST A LITTLE BACKGROUND ON THE SPECIFICS. THE PARCEL IS LOCATED AT 999 LANDING BOULEVARD. THE PARCEL HAS A SPLIT ZONING WITH BB ON THE MAJORITY OF IT AND DA 2. THE PROPOSED FACILITY IS LOCATED IN THE BB SECTION OF THE PROPERTY . THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE PERMITS MEDICAL MARIJUANA DISPENSING FACILITY AS CONDITIONAL USE IN THE BB ZONING DISTRICT. THE PARCEL IS LOCATED WITHIN 500 FEET ON THE PROPERTY IN WHICH A PRIVATE SCHOOL, THE CHRISTIAN HOMELAND ACADEMY, IS LOCATED. STATE STATUTES STATE THAT A MEDICAL MARIJUANA TREATMENT CENTER DISPENSING FACILITY MAY NOT BE LOCATED WITHIN 500 FEET OF THE REAL PROPERTY THAT COMPRISES A PUBLIC OR PRIVATE SCHOOL, UNLESS THE COUNTY APPROVES THE LOCATION THROUGH FORMAL PROCEEDINGS OPEN TO THE PUBLIC AT WHICH THE COUNTY DETERMINES THAT THE LOCATION PROMOTES THE PUBLIC HEALTH, SAFETY, AND GENERAL WELFARE OF THE COMMUNITY THE REASON WE ARE HERE TODAY. THIS SLIDE OR ARIAL SHOWS YOU THE LOCATION OF THE PROPERTY ON WHICH THE FACILITY IS PROPOSED, THE RED HATCHED , AND THE PROPERTY IN RED THAT IS NOT HATCHED IS THE PARCEL, THE AREA THAT CONTAINS THE PRIVATE SCHOOL . THE, THIS IS , THERE IS A SLIDE , MAYBE I DID NOT INCLUDE IT, NEVERMIND, THAT HAD THE, THE , THE PUBLICATION NOTICE, WHERE EVERYBODY THAT GOT THE LETTER NOTIFYING OF THE PUBLIC HEARING. THE ACTION AS SET FORTH IN STATE STATUTES IS FOR THE BOARD TO DETERMINE WHETHER A MEDICAL MARIJUANA DISPENSING CENTER, FACILITY , LOCATED AT 999 BANYAN BOULEVARD , WHICH IS LESS THAN 500 FEET FROM THE AREA OF THE PROPERTY, THE REAL PROPERTY COMPRISING A PRIVATE SCHOOL , IS IN THE PUBLIC HEALTH, SAFETY, AND GENERAL WELFARE OF THE COMMUNITY. STAFF DID SEND A LETTER TO THE CHRISTIAN HOME ACADEMY. HAS NOT HEARD ANYTHING BACK AS OF THIS DATE. JUST A REMINDER , IN 2021 , THE BOARD APPROVED THE SAME REQUEST FOR A DIFFERENT FACILITY LOCATED ACROSS BLANDING FROM THIS SCHOOL . STAFF , IT IS STAFF'S UNDERSTANDING THAT THE, I THINK IT IS CALLED THE GREEN DRAGON , IS OPERATIONAL , AND IS OPEN AND OPERATIONAL. THAT IS JUST A REMINDER, BECAUSE THE PROXIMITY TO OTHER FACILITIES IS NOT A CRITERIA SET FORTH IN THE STATUTE OR IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE FOR DETERMINATION OF THIS. I JUST WANTED TO PROVIDE THE BOARD SOME HISTORY. WITH THAT, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST, BUT AGAIN , IT IS THE BOARDS DETERMINATION TO FIND THAT THE SITE WOULD PROMOTE THE PUBLIC HEALTH, SAFETY, AND GENERAL WELFARE OF THE COMMUNITY. WITH THAT, STAFF CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE . >> QUESTION. >> SO BASICALLY , IF YOU LOOK AT WHERE THE ACTUAL BUILDING IS, IT IS OVER 600 FEET FROM THE -- >> DOOR-TO-DOOR, IT IS 600 FEET, BUT THE STATE STATUTES STATE IT IS FROM THE FACILITY TO THE REAL PROPERTY ON WHICH THE SCHOOL IS LOCATED. THAT IS LESS THAN 500 FEET . >> THE, THE OTHER THING I NOTED IS THERE IS NO SITE LINE FROM ONE ENTITY TO THE OTHER. IT IS ALL BLOCKED BY BUILDINGS AND TREES. >> RIGHT. THERE IS DEVELOPMENT BETWEEN, BETWEEN THE TWO PARCELS , AND AGAIN , AS WE HAVE STATED A FEW TIMES, AND [01:50:07] THE STATUTES AND OUR CODE SAYS, YOU KNOW, WITHIN 500 FEET OF THE REAL PROPERTY . IT HASN'T MENTIONED LOCKING OR WALKING DISTANCE OR ANYTHING ELSE. >> DO WE HAVE THE APPLICANT HERE? >> MR. CHAIRMAN, FELLOW COMMISSIONERS, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE HERE WITH YOU TONIGHT. COMMISSIONER CELLA, CONGRATULATIONS ON A FANTASTIC EIGHT YEARS. IT HAS BEEN AWESOME SPENDING EIGHT YEARS WITH YOU AND WISHING YOU WELL ON YOUR NEXT ENDEAVOR. CONGRATULATIONS AND THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR SERVICE TO THE COMMUNITY. WE ARE VERY GRATEFUL TO HAVE YOU. >> THANK YOU, JOSH. I AM BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING , THANK YOU TO STAFF FOR PASSING OUT THESE EXHIBITS IS TO PROVIDE A BIT MORE UNDERSTANDING OF THE LOCATION OF THE FACILITY AND SO FORTH. AS MENTIONED, AS MIKE HAD MENTIONED , BACK IN 2020 WHEN I WAS BEFORE YOU WITH THE FACILITY, GREEN DRAGON BEING THE TENANT LOCATED IN THE PUBLIC SHOPPING PLAZA OFF BLANDING, ADJACENT TO THE PUBLIC'S IN THE SAME PLAZA. THAT FACILITY ACTUALLY , AND THE STATUTE DOES STATE THAT WITHIN 500 FEET OF A PUBLIC OR PRIVATE SCHOOL , ELEMENTARY OR MIDDLE OR SECONDARY , AND SO, THAT ONE WAS ACTUALLY 400 FEET WAS THE DISTANCE. SO IT WAS 400 FEET AWAY FROM THE PROPER LINE -- PROPERTY LINE AS MIKE HAS MENTIONED. I DID PASS THIS COMMISSIONS BODY 4-1. UL APPROVED THIS, THE PREVIOUS ONE HERE . THIS ONE HERE, TO GIVE YOU SOME DISTANCE, AN IDEA HERE . THIS ONE HERE IS ACTUALLY LOCATED DOWN BLANDING BOULEVARD. THERE IS NO SITE LINE. IT, IT IS BETWEEN TREES AND BUILDINGS, OTHER DEVELOPMENT, FENCING. THERE IS NO WAY TO ACCESS THE SCHOOL OTHER THAN BY WALKING PATHS DOWN THE SIDEWALKS TAKING A RIGHT ONTO COLLEGE, OR EVEN DRIVING. WHAT I AM SHOWING YOU HERE, BASICALLY AN INTERPRETATION THAT COUNSEL, SPEAKING WITH ME FROM THE LAST TIME WE DID THIS IN 2021, THE STATUTE DOES NOT STATE HOW THAT MEASUREMENT IS DONE. JUST AS IT IS FROM WITHIN 500 FEET OF REAL PROPERTY . THE LAST ONE THAT WE DID IN 2021, THE MEASUREMENT WAS DONE FROM THE TENANT SPACE, THE TENANT DOOR, ALL THE WAY TO THE PROPERTY LINE ITSELF, AND THE LAST ONE WAS 400 FEET. WE WERE 100 FEET SHY OF MEETING THE 500 FOOT REQUIREMENT. THIS ONE, THE TENANT SPACES ON THE END ROUGHLY. THE APPROXIMATE SPACE I INDICATED, YOU ARE LOOKING AT ABOUT 40 TO 60 FEET, FORTYISH -- 40 FEET SHY. THAT IS AN APPROXIMATE MEASUREMENT. THAT IS NOT ME GOING AT THEIR WITH A METER STICK OR A WALKING MEASURING TOOL AND MEASURING THAT MYSELF. OBVIOUSLY IF YOU WANT TO DO THAT AS THE CROW FLIES. BUT OUTSIDE OF THAT THE SCHOOL ITSELF IS A SMALL BUILDING. THIS, TO GIVE YOU SOME IDEA, THIS SCHOOL HERE IS ON A TENANT SPACE, SO THE CHURCH ON THOSE THE PROPERTY AND THERE IS A SMALL PROPERTY THERE, THAT OF JOHN ON LINE TWO, IT IS A SMALL LITTLE PRIVATE SCHOOL THERE THAT IS RENTING FROM THE CHURCH ITSELF. IT HAS BEEN THERE FOR QUITE A NUMBER OF YEARS. THE CHRISTIAN HOME ACADEMY. LAST TIME THEY DID NOT COME OUT AND SPEAK EITHER. I HAVEN'T HEARD FROM THEM THIS TIME EITHER. BUT, IF YOU LOOK AT THE DISTANCE FROM THEM TO THE TENANT SPACE TO THE BACK OF THE BUILDING, NOT EVEN TO THE DOOR, YOU ARE LOOKING AT OVER 600 FEET, WHICH IS 100 FEET BEYOND THE REQUIREMENT PER THE STATUTE. IF I DRIVE THAT IS MENTIONED, THERE IS NO WAY TO ACCESS TO THE SCHOOL, I GET 0.34 MILES EITHER WALKING OR DRIVING. IT'S A BIT OF A WAYS AWAY COMPARED TO THE LAST TIME [01:55:01] THAT I CAN BEFORE YOU WITH THIS, WITH THIS ISSUE, THIS METRIC . BUT TO BRING SOME COLOR TO THIS, BACK IN 2017 AS YOU KNOW THE FLORIDA LEGISLATURE DID OVERWHELMING THE APPROVED SB EIGHT A WHICH DID BUILD ON THE MEDICAL USE OF MEDICAL MARIJUANA WITH ADDITIONAL PROVISIONS TO THE CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT. IT WAS COSPONSORED BY HERBARIA AT THE TIME SENATOR ROB BRADLEY AS WELL AS SUPPORTED HEAVILY BY REPRESENTATIVE CUMMINGS . SINCE THAT ADOPTION, THE LEGISLATURE HAS APPROVED SEVERAL ADDITIONAL BILLS AND OTHER VARIANCES TO IMPROVE PATIENT ABILITY TO GAIN ACCESS TO THIS ESSENTIAL MEDICATION FOR THEM , SUCH AS CERTIFICATION RENTALS, EVEN WITH THEIR PHYSICIANS VIA TELEHEALTH. MY RESEARCH OVERALL HAS FOUND THAT THERE ARE APPROXIMATELY FIVE MEDICAL MARIJUANA DISPENSARIES TOTAL IN CLAY COUNTY. MAJORITY ARE SITUATED NORTH OF KINGSLEY AVENUE, NORTH LANDING. SO TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA WHERE THEY ARE ALL LOCALLY SITUATED. FLORIDA, SO AS MIKE MENTIONED, THIS FLORIDA STATUTE HERE THAT HE REFERENCED ALLOWS YOU THE COMMISSION THE ABILITY TO DETERMINE THE LOCATION OF A DEFENSE THREE WITHIN 500 FEET OF A SCHOOL WHEN IT PROMOTES THE PUBLIC HEALTH, THE SAFETY, AND GENERAL WELFARE OF THE COMMUNITY. THOSE ARE THE GUIDELINES THAT IT MENTIONS. CONSIDERING THE MAJORITY OF THE DISPENSARIES IN THE COUNTY ARE CONCENTRATED IN ONE GENERAL AREA AS I STATED, WITHIN 2.5 MILES AWAY AND TRANSPORTATION OPTIONS ARE LIMITED, CITIZENS SHOULD NOT HAVE TO OVERCOME ADDITIONAL BARRIERS TO GOOD ACCIDENTS TO THE MEDICINES PRESCRIBED TO THEM BY THEIR PHYSICIANS. IN MY BELIEVE IN OF PLAYERS AS WELL, IT SHOULD NOT GET IN THE WAY BETWEEN A PATIENT AND THEIR CARE. OR A DOCTOR AND THEIR PATIENTS CARE. I ALSO ARGUE BEING A SMALL BUSINESS OWNER OF TWO BUSINESSES AS SOME OF YOU ARE AND HAVE BEEN A GOVERNMENT SHOULD MAKE IT EASIER TO OPEN A BUSINESS, NOT CREATE ADDITIONAL BARRIERS AS DEFINING DISSENT IN THIS CASE BY THE STATUTE. PER CANDY STASH THE DISTANCE WAS MEASURED BY BEING THE DOOR THE SPACE TO THE PROPERTY LINE OF WHICH THE SCHOOL IS LOCATED. IT IS A TENANT OWNED PARCEL OWNED BY THE CHURCH. AS MENTIONED AGAIN, THE STATUTE DOES GIVE YOU THAT POSSIBILITY TO DETERMINE WHAT PROMOTES THE PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAFETY OF THE GENERAL WELFARE OF THE COMMUNITY. IT ON A PERSONAL NOTE I DO WANT TO SHARE WITH YOU A PERSONAL STORY. YOU KNOW FIRSTHAND THE BENEFITS OF MEDICAL MARIJUANA AND HAVING ACCESS TO THE SPINAL MEDICATION. MY BROTHER, YOU SEE, AND I'M GLAD NICK WAS HERE EARLIER AND I'M GLAD WE HAVE THE FIRE WATCH PROGRAM STARTED SEVERAL YEARS AGO. MY BROTHER IS A VETERAN. A RETIRED ARMY CAPTAIN. TOUR IN AFGHANISTAN AND RETURNED HERE WITH SEVERE PTSD . HIS TREATMENT, LIKE MOST OF THE VA LIKES TO TREAT OUR FOLKS, VETERANS, IS VIA PAIN MEDICATION OR JUST AS MANY PILLS AS YOU CAN POSSIBLY ISSUE THEM AND SEND THEM ON THEIR WAY. BUT INSTEAD HE SOUGHT SELF-MEDICATION THE ALCOHOL TO THE POINT THAT HE GOT ADDICTED , AND WE ALMOST LOST HIM A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO. HE WAS SECONDS AWAY FROM BECOMING ONE OF THOSE DID HIS TICS THAT COUNCILMEMBER HOWLAND HAD MENTIONED. WHEN THE MANY OF OUR NONPROFIT ORGANIZATIONS LIKE FIRE WALKS ARE FRIDAY TO REDUCE PAPER BUT THE RESIDENT GOT IT WILL TELL YOU THERE WAS A WHISPER IN HIS EAR THAT EVENING AS HE WAS HOLDING A GUN TO HIS HEAD THAT HE PUT THE GUN DOWN AND STOPPED FROM PULLING THE TRIGGER. WHEN HE RELOCATED HERE BACK TO JACKSONVILLE FROM SOUTH CAROLINA, ONE OF THE THINGS WHY HE RELOCATED HERE WAS TO SEEK WHAT WAS BEING PROVIDED HERE AND THAT IS ACCESS TO MEDICAL MARIJUANA. AND A BENEFIT FROM THE CAPACITY USE OF IT. TODAY THAT IS THE ONLY MEDICINE THAT HE UTILIZES AND IT HAS SINCE RETURNED HIM TO A SENSE OF NORMALITY , AND TO BE ABLE TO SPEND TIME WITH HIS FOUR GIRLS AND STILL BE WITH US TODAY. WE FIRMLY BELIEVE THAT IF IT WASN'T FOR THAT AND HAVING ACCESS TO THAT CARE HE WOULD BE WITH US TODAY AND BE BENEFITING FROM SUCH. >> >> ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? ITEM NUMBER 36, WHICH IS THE MEDICAL MARIJUANA TREATMENT CENTER. >> MR. CHAIR, IF I COULD, I WAS ON THE BOARD AT THE TIME THAT WE APPROVED THE OUTLET IN THE PUBLIX SHOPPING CENTER ON LANDING. AT THE TIME, I THINK ONE OF THE STATEMENTS MADE US A [02:00:03] LITTLE MORE COMFORTABLE IN TERMS OF PUTTING IT THERE, DESPITE THE FACT THAT IT DOES NOT ADHERE TO WHAT WE INTERPRET THE SETBACK TO BE, OR THE SEPARATION BETWEEN THE SCHOOL AND THE ACTUAL MEDICAL MARIJUANA DISPENSARY. IT WAS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET. AND, REALLY, NO KIDS ARE WALKING IN THAT PARTICULAR AREA TO GO TO SCHOOL, SO THEY WALK PAST THAT PARTICULAR OUTLET. IN THE SAME COULD BE SAID FOR WHERE IT IS NOW. VERY SELDOM, IF EVER, DO YOU SEE ANYBODY WALKING UP AND DOWN LANDINGS, ESPECIALLY ELEMENTARY SCHOOL KID . SO MY BELIEF IS THAT THEY, YOU KNOW, GET PICKED UP AND DROPPED OFF IN THE PARKING LOT OF THE SCHOOL. IN THIS FACILITY, AS JOSH MENTIONED, IS AROUND THE CORNER AND DOWN THE STREETS, AROUND THE CORNER OF PARK RIDGE AND LANDING. SO, AGAIN, I THINK THEY PUT THAT PARTICULAR SEPARATION BETWEEN THE SCHOOL AND THE FACILITY SO THAT, YOU KNOW, SMALL KIDS WOULD NOT HAPPEN TO WALK BY OR WHAT HAVE YOU. BUT, I MEAN, MEDICAL MARIJUANA FACILITIES HAVE BEEN IN THE MARKETPLACE SINCE 2017. WE HAVE FIVE NOW, WE HAVE NOT HAD ANY PROBLEMS THAT I KNOW OF IN TERMS OF ANYTHING AS FAR AS BEHAVIOR OR WHATEVER THE CASE MIGHT BE. SO, AT THIS POINT, ALTHOUGH I AM COMFORTABLE WITH IT, I DON'T LIKE IT, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A LONGER DISTANCE. BUT I DO NOT SEE HOW WE CAN TURN HIM DOWN AT THIS POINT AFTER WE HAVE ALREADY SET A PRECEDENT WITH THE PREVIOUS ONE. AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE DISTANCE FROM WHERE THE SCHOOL IS AND WHERE IS THE FACILITY WOULD BE LOCATED IN THE SHOPPING PLAZA, IT ACTUALLY IS MORE THAN 500 FEET, IT JUST DEPENDS ON HOW YOU INTERPRET THE STATUTE. SO THAT IS MY THOUGHT AT THIS POINT. >> IS THAT A MOTION TO APPROVE? >> IT COULD BE. I'VE GOT A LOT OF TIME TO WAIT. WILL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE. >> I WILL SECOND. >> WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MEDICAL MARIJUANA TREATMENT FACILITY, THE DISPENSING FACILITY ON LANDING BOULEVARD. ANY OTHER COMMENTS, QUESTIONS? >> I HAVE A QUESTION, CHAIR. MIKE, I THINK YOU SAID THAT THERE IS A DISPENSARY LOCATION LOCATED ACROSS THE STREET. AM I CORRECT ON THAT? THE ONE FROM 21? RIGHT. AND SO, SINCE THIS ALL BOILS DOWN TO INTERPRETATION OF A STATUTE, I WONDER HOW THIS LOCATION PROMOTES PUBLIC HEALTH, SAFETY, AND GENERAL WELFARE OF THE COMMUNITY WHEN CONVERSATIONS BACK IN 2021 WERE TURNING ON WHERE THESE FACILITIES WERE LOCATED, THE NORTH PART OF THE COUNTY MAKES SENSE. I HEAR WHY THERE WOULD BE A MOVE IN THAT DIRECTION. BUT WHEN WE ARE TALKING ABOUT OUR DECISION, IT GETS RELEGATED TO APPROVING IT IF IT IS PROMOTING PUBLIC HEALTH, SAFETY, AND GENERAL ELFARE IN THE COMMUNITY, ACCESS IS NOT AN ISSUE HERE WHEN THIS FACILITY, THERE IS A FACILITY ALREADY OPERATIONAL THAT WE HAVE DISCUSSED MULTIPLE TIMES AT THIS POINT, LOCATED DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET. SO, WHILE I APPRECIATE, WHILE I APPRECIATE THAT THE DISTANCE WAS WHAT WAS TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION THREE YEARS AGO, I DO NOT KNOW THAT IT IS AS COMPELLING AS AN ARGUMENT TODAY IF OUR RESPONSIBILITY, AGAIN, TURNS ON PROMOTING PUBLIC HEALTH, SAFETY, AND GENERAL WELFARE OF THAT COMMUNITY. SO , WHILE I APPRECIATE AND RESPECT, OF COURSE, COMMISSIONER SALAS'S POSITION ON THIS, I DO NOT BELIEVE I CAN SUPPORT IT IF I AM GOING TO INTERPRET THE STATUTE THE WAY THAT IT IS WRITTEN. SO, THAT IS MY TAKE ON IT. >> ANY OTHER COMMENTS, QUESTIONS, CONCERNS? NO MOTION OR SECOND TO APPROVE THE REQUEST. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED? OKAY. [37.  Public Hearing on the adoption of an Ordinance amending Ordinance No. 2023-7, which established Lakes at Bella Lago Community Development District, in order to amend and expand the boundaries of Lakes at Bella Lago Community Development District (C. Grimm)] PASSES 4-1. ITEM 37 IS A PUBLIC HEARING ON THE ADOPTION OF AN ORDINANCE AMENDING ORDINANCE NUMBER 2023-7, WHICH ESTABLISHES LAKES AT BELLA LAGO COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT IN ORDER TO AMEND AND EXPAND THE BOUNDARIES OF THE LAKES AT BELLA LAGO COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT. [02:05:03] >> YES, HERE TO PRESENT FOR THAT ITEM IS COUNSEL FOR THE CDD, LAURA GENTRY. >> OKAY. YOU ARE NOT GOING TO READ ALL HIS NOTEBOOKS TO US, ARE YOU? >> >> GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS LAUREN GENTRY. WE ARE REPRESENTING THE PETITIONER, LISA BELLA LAGO COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT. AS WAS JUST STATED, THIS IS A PETITION TO SIMPLY EXPAND THE BOUNDARIES OF AN EXISTING COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT. SPECIFICALLY BY ABOUT 20 ACRES, GIVE OR TAKE. THIS IS AN ESTABLISHED DISTRICT THAT IS PROPOSED TO CONTINUE TO PROVIDE PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE TO THE COMMUNITY THAT IT SERVES. PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE SUCH AS EARTHWORK, STORMWATER SYSTEMS, ROADWAYS, UNDERGROUND ELECTRICAL CONDUITS, ALL OF THAT SORT OF INFRASTRUCTURE THAT IS NECESSARY FOR A COMMUNITY TO FUNCTION. IF WE COULD JUST GO TO THE FIRST SLIDE? OKAY. SO, YOU WILL SEE HERE, A DEPICTION OF THE EXISTING DISTRICT. THE PROPOSED ADDITION IS JUST ON THE SOUTHEAST CORNER. IT WOULD BE PHASE THREE OF THE PROJECT. THE PROJECT IS CURRENTLY PROPOSED TO COMPRISE OF THREE PHASES, SO THIS WOULD BE THE LAST PHASE. THE DISTRICT HAS ISSUED BONDS IN THE PAST TWO FUND PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE AND ARE PROPOSED TO FUND THE ADDITIONAL INFRASTRUCTURE IN THE SAME WAY. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. I WILL NOT READ ALL OF THIS TO YOU. IT JUST SUMMARIZES THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT IS PLANNED FOR THIS COMMUNITY. AS THIS COMMISSION IS AWARE, WE ARE NOT HERE TO TALK ABOUT ZONING DEVELOPMENT APPROVALS, ANYTHING LIKE THAT. WE ARE SIMPLY HERE TO DISCUSS WHETHER THE CDD AS A GOVERNING ENTITY SHOULD BE EXPANDED TO BE THE LONG-TERM OWNERSHIP AND MAINTENANCE ENTITY FOR THIS PUBLIC INFO STRUCTURE. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. AGAIN, I WILL NOT READ ALL OF THIS TO YOU. YOU ARE FAMILIAR WITH CDD. I AM HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE ON THIS. I WILL KEEP IT SHORT AND SWEET BECAUSE I KNOW THAT YOU HAVE A LONG EVENING AHEAD OF YOU. >> COMMISSIONER CASALE? >> INCLUDING THE PROPOSED EXPANSION PARCEL, WE WOULD BE AT 274 ACRES. >> SO THEN WHAT DO YOU ENVISION SITTING ON THIS 20 ACRES? >> WELL, YOU WOULD HAVE RESIDENTIAL UNITS, OF COURSE. YOU HAVE, AGAIN, STORMWATER IMPROVEMENTS, DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS, UNDER GROUNDING OF ELECTRIC CONDUIT. THE CDD WOULD BE CONSTRUCTING THE PUBLIC WATER DISTRICT FACILITIES THAT WOULD THEN BE CONVEYED TO CCD, WAY AS IT DID FOR THE PRIOR PHASES. LANDSCAPE AND HARD SCAPE, SOME RECREATIONAL IMPROVEMENTS, THAT SORT OF THING. >> SO, THE RESIDENCES THAT ARE BEING TALKED ABOUT ON THE 20 ACRES, THEY ARE ALREADY INCLUDED IN THE ORIGINAL DESIGN OF THE DEVELOPMENT? >> THESE WOULD BE ADDITIONAL. THEY ARE PART OF THE OVERALL DEVELOPMENT PLAN. BUT, OF COURSE, THEY WERE NOT PREVIOUSLY INCLUDED IN THE CDD'S PLAN BECAUSE WE DID NOT HAVE JURISDICTION OVER THAT AREA. >> OKAY, THANK YOU. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? SEEING NONE, I HAVE NO CARDS FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ONE AS WELL, BUT I WILL OPEN A PUBLIC HEARING IF THERE IS ANYONE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK ON THIS SUBJECT. SEEING NONE, HEARING NONE, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. >> I WILL MOVE APPROVAL. >> I WILL SECOND THE MOTION. >> A MOTION AND A 2ND TO APPROVE THIS PHASE THREE, WHICH IS 20 ACRES UNDER THE CDD DEVELOPMENT RUBRIC THERE. ANY COMMENTS, QUESTIONS, CONCERNS? WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. [38.  Public Hearing on the adoption of an Ordinance amending Ordinance No. 2021-20, which established Creekview Community Development District, in order to amend and expand the boundaries of Creekview Community Development District (C. Grimm)] UNANIMOUSLY IT PASSES, 5-0. ITEM NUMBER 38 IS A PUBLIC HEARING ON THE ADOPTION OF AN ORDINANCE, ORDINANCE NUMBER [02:10:10] 2021-20, WHICH ESTABLISHED CREEKVIEW COMMUNITY DEVELOP DISTRICT, IN ORDER TO AMEND AND EXPAND THE BOUNDARIES OF CREEKVIEW COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT. >> LAUREN WILL BE HANDLING THIS ONE AS WELL. >> OKAY, ALL RIGHT, COMMISSIONERS. YOU ARE FAMILIAR WITH THIS REQUEST. THIS IS AN EXISTING COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT THAT WAS ESTABLISHED BACK IN 2021. THE PETITIONER IS THE CDD ITSELF . THIS PETITION IS SEEKING TO ADD JUST OVER 157 ACRES TO THE EXISTING CDD. AGAIN, THIS WOULD PROVIDE THE SAME TYPE OF PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE THAT I PREVIOUSLY DESCRIBED. MASTER STORMWATER DRAINAGE SYSTEM, EXCUSE ME, ROADWAY INFRASTRUCTURE, LANDSCAPING, COMMON AREAS AND NEIGHBORHOOD PARKS, UNDER GROUNDING OF ELECTRICAL CONDUIT, WETLAND MITIGATION, ALL OF THOSE TYPES OF PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS. THIS WOULD BE THE SECOND PHASE OF THE PROJECT, IF APPROVED. AGAIN, WE ARE NOT HERE TO TALK ABOUT ZONING APPROVALS OR DEVELOPMENT APPROVALS, OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. SIMPLY EXPANDING THE CDC -- CDD AS A MAINTENANCE AND PROPERTY ENTITY. THIS SURVEY IS FOR THE EXISTING DISTRICT, WHICH HAS PREVIOUSLY ISSUED TAXES AND BONDS TO FUND PUBLIC INFO STRUCTURE. THE CURRENT DISTRICT CONTAINS APPROXIMATELY 745 ACRES. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. AND YOU CAN SEE HERE, THE EXPANSION PARCEL'S ARE APPROXIMATELY 157 ACRES. AND THE SAME TYPES OF INFRASTRUCTURE WOULD BE PROVIDED, AS ARE PROVIDED IN THE EXISTING DISTRICT. I WON'T GO THROUGH ALL OF THE ADVANTAGES OF CDD'S, BUT WE DO CONTEND THAT THESE SAME FACTORS THAT JUSTIFIED ESTABLISHING THE CDD BACK IN 2021 CONTINUED TO APPLY TO WHY IT IS JUSTIFIED TO EXPAND ITS JURISDICTION AND EXPAND ITS BOUNDARIES TODAY. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS I CAN ANSWER? >> ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? SEEING NONE, I HAVE NO CARDS ON THIS ONE AS WELL. THIS IS NUMBER 38. THE CREEKVIEW COMMUNITY CDD. IS THERE ANYONE WHO WANTS TO SPEAK ON THIS? HEARING NONE, SEEING NONE, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HERING AND BRING IT BACK TO COMMISSION. >> I MOVED FOR APPROVAL. >> A MOTION TO APPROVE THE EXPANSION OF THE CDD TO 57.22 ACRES. [39.  Public Hearing on Petition and adoption of an Ordinance creating The District at Oakleaf Community Development District (C. Grimm)] >> I WILL SECOND. >> ANY COMMENTS, QUESTIONS, CONCERNS? HEARING NONE, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. PASSES UNANIMOUSLY, 5-0. ITEM NUMBER 39 IS PUBLIC HEARING ON THE PETITION AND ADOPTION OF AN ORDINANCE CREATING THE DISTRICT AT OAKLEY -- OAK LEAF COMMUNITY DEVELOP DISTRICT. WE HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE FROM MERITAGE HOMES . >> GOOD EVENING. >> THAT IS THE THIRD NOTEBOOK. >> IT IS, IT IS. I PROMISED I WOULD NOT READ ALL OF THEM, I HAVE STUCK TO THAT PROMISE. GOOD EVENING. NOW I AM BUT APPEARING ON BEHALF OF THE PETITIONER TO CREATE A NEW COMMUNITY DEVELOP DISTRICT. DIFFERENT THAN IF PRIOR TO POSITIONS, THE HERITAGE HOMES OF FLORIDA INC., THE PROPOSED DISTRICT IS THE DISTRICT AT OAKLEY COMMUNITY DEVELOP DISTRICT. THE PROPOSED ACREAGE IS 55.83 ACRES. AND IT IS CURRENTLY PLANNED TO PROVIDE THAT STANDARD CDD INFRASTRUCTURE. EARTHWORK, ROADWAY, WATER, WASTEWATER, OTHER DRY UTILITIES, AMENITIES , LANDSCAPE, IRRIGATION, ALL OF THOSE SORTS OF PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS. COULD WE GO TO THE FIRST SLIDE? OKAY. SO, YOU CAN SEE THE PROPOSED PROPERTY SITE THERE JUST TO THE EAST OF THE FIRST EXPRESSWAY. THE DISTRICT IS PLANNED TO CONSTRUCT AND FUND APPROXIMATELY $21.7 MILLION IN PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS. I HAVE PREVIOUSLY LISTED THOSE. I WILL NOT GO THROUGH THEM AGAIN. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. COMMISSIONERS, I KNOW THAT YOU ALL RECEIVED MANY COMMENTS FROM YOUR CONSTITUENTS. AND YOU DO YOUR DUE DILIGENCE IN DECIDING WHETHER TO APPROVE ANYTHING THAT COMES BEFORE YOU. JUST TO GET ON THE RECORD, IF YOU ADVANTAGES OF CDD'S. THEY ARE UNITS OF PUBLIC GOVERNMENT. AND THEY DO HAVE CERTAIN ADVANTAGES OVER OTHER GOVERNING [02:15:03] STRUCTURES. SUCH AS HOAS. CDD'S HAVE THE ADVANTAGE OF ALLOWING A HIGHER QUALITY PROJECT AND COST SAVINGS. BECAUSE THEY ARE ABLE TO ISSUE TAX-EXEMPT BONDS AT FAVORABLE RATES THAT CAN BE PAID BACK UP TO OVER 30 YEARS. THOSE COSTS ARE SPREAD OUT OVER TIME, RESULTING IN SAVINGS TO THE INDIVIDUAL HOMEOWNERS. THIS RESULTS IN MORE COMPETITIVE HOME PRICES AT THE ONSET. AND WHAT WE HAVE SEEN IS MORE STABLE AND HIGHER HOME VALUES ACROSS THE LIFESPAN OF THE COMMUNITY. BECAUSE THE CDC IS A VERY STABLE FUNDING SOURCE , IT HAS PROFESSIONAL STAFF SUCH AS ATTORNEYS AND ENGINEERS ON STAFF TO ADVISE IT, AND IS A GREAT JOB AT MAINTAINING THAT INFRASTRUCTURE. WE SEE THAT, TYPICALLY, THE ABILITY TO MAINTAIN AND FUND IMPROVEMENTS TO THAT INFRASTRUCTURE EXCEED OTHER DELIVERY SYSTEMS OR GOVERNANCE SYSTEMS, SUCH AS AN H AWAY. THERE IS A VERY STABLE REVENUE STREAM AS CDD ASSESSMENTS ARE CREATED ON THE TAX ROLL. SO, IT IS AN ASSURED FUNDING STORES THAT IS STABLE OVER TIME. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. THE CDD ALSO ENJOYS SOVEREIGN COMMUNITY PROTECTION PROGRAMS, SUCH AS THE COUNTY ITSELF DOES. THIS PROTECTS RESIDENTS FROM HAVING TO BEAR THE BURDEN OF THOSE LAWSUITS THAT CAN BE SO EXPENSIVE IF THEY HIT A COMMUNITY AND RESIDENTS HAVE TO BEAR THE COST OF THEM. THE CDD'S ARE VERY TRANSPARENT, THEY ARE SUBJECT TO THE SAME SUNSHINE LAWS AND PUBLIC RECORDS LAWS AS OTHER UNITS OF GOVERNMENT, SUCH AS COUNTIES AND CITIES. THEY ARE ELIGIBLE FOR CERTAIN GOVERNMENT FUNDING, SUCH AS THROUGH FEMA, THAT HOAS MAY NOT BE. THEY HAVE THAT PROFESSIONAL STAFF THAT I MENTIONED EARLIER , AND IN OUR EXPERIENCE, THEY GENERALLY RESULT IN FEWER COMPLAINTS TO THE COUNTY, COMPARED TO HOAS, BECAUSE THEY DO ALLOW THAT PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT THROUGH PUBLIC MEETINGS, PUBLIC COMMENT., AND TRANSPARENCY. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. WE HAVE ALREADY SUMMARIZED SOME OF THESE ADVANTAES. YOU WILL SEE THE H AWAY IS THE MOST COMMON ALTERNATIVE TO A CDD TO MAINTAIN A COMMON INFRASTRUCTURE. BUT AS I HAVE RECOUNTED, CDD'S HAVE CERTAIN ADVANTAGES THAT YOU DO NOT SEE THROUGH AN H AWAY. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. ADDITIONALLY, CDD'S AND JOY DEFAULT PROTECTION. IN A DOWNTURN, YOU SEE THAT THE CDD MONEY WILL -- HELD IN A TRUST ESTATE FOR THE PARTICULAR PURPOSE OF FUNDING CDD INFRASTRUCTURE. SO, HOPEFULLY IN THE UNLIKELY SITUATION THAT A DEVELOPER DEFAULTS, THAT MONEY IS STILL AVAILABLE TO FUND THE PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS THAT IT WAS INTENDED FOR. THE TRUSTEE HOLDS THE MONEY, NOT THE DEVELOPER. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. I WILL ALSO NOTE FOR THE COUNTY, THAT THE COUNTY RETAINS ALL OF ITS OWN POWERS TO APPROVE ZONING, PERMITTING, ALL OF THAT SORT OF THING. THE CDD DOES NOT -- THE CDD HAS VERY LIMITED POWERS FOR PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE THAT IT HAS JURISDICTION OVER. VIRTUALLY NO DEBT OF THE CDD CAN BECOME THAT OF THE COUNTY. FLORIDA STATUTES GIVE THAT PROTECTION. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. AGAIN, THIS PROVIDES A STABLE FUNDING SOURCE FOR PUBLIC PROJECTS. IT ENSURES THE DEVELOPMENT PAYS FOR ITSELF. THE CDD ASSESSMENTS ARE BORNE BY THE OWNERS WITHIN THE COMMUNITY. SO THEY ARE PAYING FOR THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT SERVES THEIR COMMUNITY. THAT BURDEN IS NOT PLACED ON THE OVERALL TAX BASE OF THE COUNTY, WHICH MEANS THAT A VERY EFFICIENT, SELF-SUSTAINING SYSTEM. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. RESIDENTS ENJOY BENEFITS THAT GENERALLY STEM FROM THE FACTORS THAT I HAVE PREVIOUSLY DESCRIBED, HIGHER HOME VALUES, INCREASED TRANSPARENCY, AND GENERALLY JUST A BETTER OPPORTUNITY TO PARTICIPATE IN THAT TRANSPARENT GOVERNMENT OF THEIR OWN COMMUNITY. THEY ARE ALSO INSULATED FROM, IN THE EVENT, YOU KNOW, DOWN THE ROAD, IF YOU HAVE A STORMWATER SYSTEM FAILURE AND YOU NEED TO SPEND $1 MILLION TO REVAMP YOUR STORM WATER SYSTEM, AS OPPOSED TO AN H AWAY, WHICH MAY HAVE NO OTHER OPTION THAN TO HIT HOMEOWNERS WITH A ONE-TIME ASSESSMENT TO PAY FOR THAT, THE CDD HAS THE CONTINUAL ABILITY TO ACCESS THE TAXES AND BOND MARKET AND SPREAD THOSE COSTS OVER UP TO 30 YEARS I TAX-EXEMPT BASIS. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE? TRANSPARENCY. I CAN DRIVE THAT [02:20:10] HOME. I WILL NOT HARP ON THE REST OF THE BENEFITS. I THINK WE HAVE COVERED THOSE AT LENGTH. WE HAVE SUBMITTED THE PETITION AND THE PRE-FILED TESTIMONY TO SUPPORT THE PETITION. WE WORK WITH YOUR STAFF TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT HAVE COME UP. BUT I AM HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY OTHER QUESTIONS THAT THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE TODAY. >> ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? >> I DO, I DO. SO, THANK YOU, LAUREN, FOR COMING. I SPOKE TO YOUR COUNTERPART, JENNIFER, ABOUT THIS PROJECT. AND I AM KIND OF IN A ROCK AND A HARD SPOT WITH THIS, CANDIDLY. BECAUSE WHILE YOU ARE RIGHT, PROBABLY OTHER PARTS OF THE COUNTY TO EXPERIENCE FEWER COMPLAINTS BECAUSE THE CDD FUNCTIONS AS AN INDEPENDENT DISTRICT THAT MEETS THE NEEDS DIRECTLY, RIGHT, WHERE AS IN DISTRICT TWO, I HAVE THE MOST TRANSIENT POPULATION IN CLAY COUNTY. WE HAVE A LOT OF FOLKS FROM ALL OVER THE COUNTRY THAT RESIDE IN THE NORTHWEST PART OF DISTRICT TO . AT OAK LEAF SPECIFICALLY. AND THAT IS WHERE THIS IS BEING PROPOSED. AND THE CONUNDRUM I AM IN IS THAT I HAVE RESIDENTS WHO ARE ARTICULATING GRIEVANCES LOOKING AT THEIR TAX ROLL. EVERYTHING IS AN ITEMIZED ASSESSMENT TO THEM. AND WE HAVE BEEN HEARING A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS LATELY ABOUT ITEMIZED NOTICES, TRIM AND NOTICES. AND I AM WONDERING HOW TO ADDRESS THOSE QUESTIONS THAT ARE REASONABLE, WHY AM I HAVING TO PAY FOR THIS ? BUT I DO NOT KNOW, AT THIS JUNCTURE, HOW TO MEET THAT NEED WHEN CDD'S ARE ESTABLISHED BEFORE THAT HOMEOWNER IS EVEN PRESENT. AND I THINK THAT WHAT I AM LOOKING TO DO IS EDUCATE AND ALSO GIVE MY CONSTITUENTS AN OPTION. YOU MENTIONED HOAS AS BEING AN ALTERNATIVE. I KNOW MSPS ARE AN ALTERNATIVE. AND WE'VE GOT DEVELOPERS, THAT IS ALSO AN ALTERNATIVE HERE THEY COULD POTENTIALLY STICK AROUND AND MEET THOSE NEEDS. I DO NOT KNOW THAT WE SEE THAT TOO OFTEN. BUT THE ISSUE THAT I HAVE, I WOULD LOVE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE CDD, BUT THERE ARE FAR MORE OF THOSE THEN THERE ARE THE ALTERNATIVES. AND I FEEL LIKE I AM NOT GIVING MY CONSTITUENTS AN OPTION. AND THEY ARE COMPLAINING ABOUT NOT HAVING AN ALTERNATIVE. WHEN THEY MOVE TO OAK LEAF, MOST OF OUR RESIDENTS ARE IN A CDD. SO, YOU AND JENNIFER HAVE BEEN DOING, WELL, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE BEEN DOING THIS FOR QUITE A LONG TIME, BUT I KNOW LAUREN SAID OR JENNIFER HAS BEEN DOING IT FOR A WHILE. HOW DO YOU ADDRESS THOSE CONCERNS WITH A COMMUNITY THAT HAS NOT MOVED IN YET? >> SURE. A FEW POINTS THAT YOU TOUCHED ON. ONE, YOU KNOW, RESIDENTS ARE RAISING ISSUES WITH THEIR TAX BILL. THERE IS A PERCEPTION THAT PERHAPS THEIR ASSESSMENTS ARE HIGHER, THEY ARE PAYING MORE BECAUSE THEY SEE THAT AS A LINE ITEM ON THEIR TAX BILL. I WOULD GIVE THE COUNTER ARGUMENT THAT SOMEBODY HAS TO PAY FOR THAT INFRASTRUCTURE . SO, THROUGH THE CDD, THE METHOD THAT THE CDD HAS OF FINANCING IT IS THROUGH ASSESSMENTS, WHICH BY STATUTE ARE COLLECTED ON THE TAX BILL. SO YOU SEE IT THERE. I WOULD POSIT THAT IF THE HLA WERE MAINTAINING THE INFRASTRUCTURE, THEY WOULD SEE THOSE COSTS AND, FOR INSTANCE, HOAS DUES. THE COUNTY WERE PROVIDING THAT INFRASTRUCTURE, THEY WOULD SEE COSTS IN THE FORM OF COUNTY TAXES. IF THE DEVELOPER WERE SIMPLY FUNDING EVERYTHING THEMSELVES , THAT UP FRONT COST MAY BE PASSED ALONG IN YOUR INITIAL HOME PRICE. SO, OF COURSE, THERE IS NO FREE RIDE TIERED THE MONEY IS PAID AT SOME POINT OR ANOTHER. THE BENEFIT OF THE CDD IS THAT THE ASSESSMENTS CAN BE SPREAD OUT OVER 30 YEARS, WHICH TENDS TO MINIMIZE THE PAYMENT FROM EACH INDIVIDUAL PERSON. BECAUSE ASSESSMENTS ARE ONLY PAID WHILE THAT RESIDENT OWNS THE HOUSE THAT THEY LIVE IN. SO, FOR INSTANCE, IF YOU ONLY OWN YOUR HOUSE FOR 5 YEARS, YOU ARE ONLY PAYING THE ASSESSMENTS, THE DEBT ASSESSMENT AND OPERATION ASSESSMENT FOR THOSE FIVE YEARS THAT YOU LIVE THERE , YOU SELL THE HOUSE, THE NEXT OWNER RESUMES OF THOSE PAYMENTS. SO, INSTEAD OF THE INITIAL HOME BUYER PAYING EXTRA FOR THEIR HOME, POTENTIALLY, TO COVER THOSE UP FRONT COSTS THAT THE DEVELOPER HAD TO SINK INTO THE PROJECT, YOU ARE ONLY PAYING A SMALL PORTION. IT IS MORE VISIBLE BECAUSE IT IS ON THE TAX BILL. AND I UNDERSTAND THAT. BUT COMPARED TO THE [02:25:01] ALTERNATIVES, THERE ARE ADVANTAGES TO THE INDIVIDUAL HOMEOWNERS. THE NEXT PIECE YOU TOUCHED ON WAS ABOUT DISCLOSURES. YOU KNOW, HOW DO YOU RECONCILE APPROVING THE CDD WHEN NO ONE LIVES THERE? AND THEN YOU HAVE PEOPLE MOVING IN AND WHO, YOU KNOW, THEY ARE MOVING INTO SOMETHING THAT IS ESTABLISHED IN ALREADY SET UP? I WOULD ADDRESS THAT BY SAYING THAT THERE ARE A MYRIAD OF DISCLOSURES THAT ARE REQUIRED UNDER FLORIDA LAW. SO, ANY ASSESSMENTS LEVIED ON THE PROPERTY WILL BE SUBJECT TO A NOTICE OF MASTER LIEN THAT IS RECORDED, AND IT WILL SHOW UP IN A TITLE SEARCH BEFORE THAT PERSON PURCHASES THEIR HOME. THAT WILL SET UP THE MAXIMUM AMOUNT OF DEBT THAT COULD BE LEVIED ON THE PROPERTY. SO, BEFORE ACTUAL ASSESSMENTS ARE EVEN LEVIED, YOU HAVE THAT MASTER PLAN, GENERALLY. ONCE BONDS ARE ISSUED, YOU GET ANOTHER NOTICE THAT ACTUALLY SETS OUT THE EXACT AMOUNT OF ASSESSMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN LEVIED ON THAT PROPERTY. IF THERE ARE ANY AT THAT POINT, SO THAT IS ANOTHER NOTICE THAT WOULD SHOW UP IN A TITLE SEARCH. THERE ARE DISCLOSURES OF PUBLIC FINANCE THAT ARE RECORDED. THERE ARE DEVELOPER DISCLOSURES THAT ARE REQUIRED TO BE DISCLOSED AT THE POINT OF SALE. THERE ARE SO MANY DISCLOSURES THAT IF PEOPLE GET WHEN THEY PURCHASE A HOME, IT CAN SET THEM UP FOR WHAT THEY SHOULD BE PREPARED FOR. I THINK SOMETIMES THERE IS A LACK OF UNDERSTANDING STILL. PEOPLE WHO MOVE INTO CDD'S . OUR FIRM ROUTINELY DOES WHAT WE CALL CDD 101. WHEN YOU START GETTING RESIDENTS MOVING IN, AT A PUBLIC MEETING WE INVITE EVERYONE WHO RESIDES THERE TO COME AND JUST LEARN ABOUT THE CDD, ITS FUNCTION, HOW IT IS FINANCED, ALL OF THAT SORT OF THING. THAT IS NOT REQUIRED BY STATUTE, BUT IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE DO ROUTINELY. ADDITIONALLY, BEFORE ASSESSMENTS ARE LEVIED, YOU HAVE PUBLIC HEARINGS. MUCH LIKE YOU HAVE HERE TODAY, WHERE PEOPLE CAN COME AND CHIME IN. YOU HAVE BOND VALIDATION HEARINGS, WHERE THE CDC CAN, BEFORE THEY CAN ISSUE BONDS, WE HAVE TO GO TO THE COURTS, GET VALIDATED. THE PUBLIC HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO PARTICIPATE IN THAT. SO I THINK A LOT OF THOSE CONCERNS CAN BE ALLEVIATED BY THE DISCLOSURES THAT ARE REQUIRED, HOPEFULLY PEOPLE ARE READING BEFORE THEY PURCHASE THAT HOME. >> YES. I UNDERSTAND THAT POINT, AND YOU ARE RIGHT, THERE IS NO VERSION OF THIS WHERE YOU PURCHASE A HOME AND THOSE DISCLOSURES, BECAUSE THEY ARE REQUIRED BY STATUTE TO BE MADE TO THE HOMEOWNER, THE POTENTIAL HOMEOWNER, THE QUESTION THAT I HAVE IS, WHAT HAVE YOU SEEN ACROSS THE STATE WHERE YOU DON'T HAVE AN IDEA YET WHO WILL MOVE THERE? SO WHEN YOU DO THESE CDD 101'S, THEY HAVE ALREADY FOUGHT IN. RIGHT? THEY ARE ALREADY IN THAT COMMUNITY. SO THEY GOT EXACTLY WHAT THEY SIGNED UP FOR, BECAUSE OF THOSE DISCLOSURES BEING WHAT THEY ARE. THE ISSUE THAT I HAVE, I DO NOT KNOW THAT I'M GIVING MY CONSTITUENTS AN ALTERNATIVE S, THEY DON'T BECOME OF MY CONSTITUENTS UNTIL THEY MOVE IN. SO, THERE IS NO VERSION OF THIS ALSO WHERE I AM ABLE TO GIVE THEM AN ALTERNATIVE, BECAUSE I DO NOT KNOW WHO THEY ARE. AND I DO NOT, HOW ARE YOU ADDRESSING, DO YOU HAVE TO ADDRESS THAT IN OTHER COMMUNITIES ACROSS THE STATE? >> WELL, I SEE IT AS RATHER A FREE-MARKET ISSUE. PEOPLE, MANY TIMES, ARE CHOOSING TO MOVE TO THE CDD'S, BECAUSE THEY ENJOY THE HIGHER LEVEL OF INFRASTRUCTURE THAT THEY OFFER. BUT, TYPICALLY, RESIDENTS ARE FOCUSED ON THE AMENITIES, OF COURSE. THAT IS A DRAW FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE TO MOVE IN. OF COURSE, YOU HAVE SOME PEOPLE WHO SAY, NO, I DO NOT WANT TO LIVE IN A CDD. I VIEW THAT AS THEIR CHOICE. BUT MANY PEOPLE DO CHOOSE TO LIVE IN A CDD, PARTICULARLY AND PRECISELY BECAUSE OF THE INCREASED LEVEL OF INFRASTRUCTURE AND AMENITIES THAT CAN OFFER, BY VIRTUE OF THOSE VERY EFFICIENT FUNDING SOURCES. SO I SEE IT AS KIND OF A FREE-MARKET ISSUE. PEOPLE CHOOSE TO LIVE IN CDD'S BECAUSE THEY WANT TO. >> THANK YOU. >> ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? >> SO BASICALLY, THE DEVELOPER OR OWNER OF THE PROPERTY CHOOSES TO DO THAT WITH THIS PROPERTY, TO MAKE IT A CDD. AND ANY PERSON THAT IS MOVING AND CHOOSES TO MOVE INTO A CDD. SO, BASICALLY EVERYONE IS MAKING THAT CHOICE . BECAUSE THEY [02:30:01] ALREADY KNOW RIGHT UP FRONT, CORRECT? >> CORRECT, CORRECT. AGAIN, WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT THE RELEVANT APPROVALS OR PERMITTING FOR WHAT IS ACTUALLY BUILT ON THE PROPERTY, ALL OF THAT IS DONE SEPARATELY. SO WE ARE JUST TALKING ABOUT HOW IT IS GOVERNED, WHO OWNS AND MAINTAINS ALL OF THAT PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE. MY PERSONAL OPINION, EVEN IF I WAS NOT HERE IN A PROFESSIONAL CAPACITY, I PERSONALLY THINK THAT CDD'S ARE A GREAT WAY TO DO THAT FOR SELF-SUFFICIENT INFRASTRUCTURE. YOU KNOW THAT YOUR STORM WATER PONDS AND ROADWAYS , AND ALL OF THOSE SORTS OF BIG-TICKET ITEMS, THEY WILL BE MAINTAINED RESPONSIBLY GOING FORWARD, AND YOU HAVE A GREATER ASSURANCE THAT YOU ARE NOT GOING TO BE HIT WITH A MASSIVE ONE-TIME ASSESSMENT. IT MAY BE NECESSARY TO ISSUE MORE BONDS IN THE FUTURE, IT MAY BE NECESSARY TO GET A BANK LOAN IN THE FUTURE, BUT THERE ARE VERY STABLE AND RELIABLE FUNDING SOURCES FOR THAT INFRASTRUCTURE. BUT I THINK GIVE IT AN ADVANTAGE OVER OTHER DELIVERY SYSTEMS. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? >> TO MOVE THE CONVERSATION ALONG, I WILL GO AHEAD, OH, GO AHEAD. BUT CAN I JUST SAY THIS? I AM NOT SURE, AND WE WILL GET TO THIS CONVERSATION SHORTLY. I CAN APPRECIATE AND WOULD LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE CDD TONIGHT. I DO NOT KNOW THAT I WOULD BE SO APT TO DO THIS IN THE FUTURE, SPECIFIC TO DISTRICT 2. BECAUSE THE CONVERSATION HAPPENING TONIGHT IS ELIMINATING AN OPTION FOR AN H AWAY IN THE FUTURE. SO IT IS NOT JUST THAT SOMEBODY IS MOVING INTO THE COMMUNITY AND SO THEY HAVE ELECTED TO TAKE ON THOSE COST. IT REALLY, WE ARE TAKING THAT CONVERSATION AWAY FROM GIVING THEM THE OPTION OF AN H AWAY OR AN MSP YOU, OR A DEVELOPER MAINTAINING THOSE MAINTENANCE RESPONSIBILITIES. AND SO I UNDERSTAND THAT THIS PLAY, WHILE YOU ARE ELECTING TO DO THIS, YOU HAVE DECIDED TO MOVE FORWARD IN THIS DIRECTION, YOU WANT TO THOSE AMENITIES, SO YOU NEED TO PAY FOR THEM, I CAN UNDERSTAND THAT. BUT THIS CONVERSATION IS HAPPENING SO EARLY IN THE PROCESS THAT WE ARE NOT GIVING THAT ALTERNATIVE, IN THE EVENT THAT SOMEBODY WOULD PREFER NOT TO LIVE IN A CDD. WE DECIDE THAT SO EARLY. SO , I PUT THAT OUT THERE AS, I SUBMIT IT FOR CONSIDERATION. I DO NOT KNOW THAT I WOULD BE SO APT TO DO THIS AGAIN BECAUSE WE HAVE SO MANY CDD'S IN CLAY COUNTY. INDEPENDENT HOAS, INDEPENDENT MSB YOU'S. THE COUNT IS IMBALANCED, IN MY OPINION. I LIKE TO GIVE PEOPLE OPTIONS. YOU TALK FREE-MARKET, I THINK THAT IT IS CONSISTENT WITH FREE-MARKET TO GIVE FOLKS ALL OF THE OPTIONS, AND NOT FAVOR ONE DISPROPORTIONATELY ABOVE THE OTHERS. SO, THAT IS JUST MY, BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU ARE COMING FROM, IN GIVING THEM AN OPTION. BUT I DO NOT THINK THAT WE REALLY ARE GIVING THEM AN OPTION. >> I HAVE A QUESTION WITH THAT. BECAUSE I AM KIND OF COMING BACK TO, DOESN'T THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY CHOOSE TO GO THAT ROUTE? ISN'T THAT THE CASE? SO, IT IS BEFORE THE RESIDENCE. >> CORRECT. >> SO A REVIEW OF THE PROPERTY AS A MARKETABLE PRODUCT. AND YOU HAVE YOUR CHOICE, DO YOU WANT THIS OR DO YOU WANT SOMETHING ELSE? IT IS A FREE-MARKET TYPE THING. >> THAT IS A RESIDENT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT? >> YEAH, YEAH. >> BUT THE PROPERTY OWNER NOW IS CHOOSING THIS ROUTE? OR OTHER OTHER ASPECTS TO IT? >> CORRECT, CORRECT. THE REASON WHY A CDD IS ESTABLISHED EARLY IN THE PROPERTY IS BECAUSE THE MAIN, WELL, ONE OF THE PRIMARY BENEFITS OF A CDD IS ITS FUNDING SOURCE FOR THAT INITIAL PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE. SO, IN ORDER TO CONSTRUCT THE ROADWAYS, CONSTRUCT THE STORMWATER IMPROVEMENT IN ALL OF THOSE INITIAL THINGS THAT HAVE TO HAPPEN IN ORDER FOR THE COMMUNITY TO BE BUILT AT ALL, THE CDD, MORE OFTEN THAN NOT, IT SERVES AS THE FUNDING SOURCE FOR ALL OF THAT. THAT IS WHY IT IS ESTABLISHED EARLY IN THE PROCESS. I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE SAYING. THAT IS JUST THE REASON IT IS ESTABLISHED EARLY IN THE PROCESS. NOW, SOME OF THESE OTHER OPTIONS, HOAS, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TALKED AT LENGTH ABOUT THE PROS AND CONS OF THAT. MSBU , WE FIND THEY ARE BETTER AT KEEPING THE COUNTY AS A GENERAL BODY OUT OF, KIND OF HAVING TO GET INVOLVED IN FINANCING, OVERSIGHT, AND THAT KIND OF THING. SO, THERE ARE ADVANTAGES. CERTAINLY FOR FUTURE PETITIONS. WE WILL BE [02:35:03] PREPARED TO ADDRESS ANY CONCERNS AND QUESTIONS THAT THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE. BUT FOR TONIGHT, ARE THERE ANY OTHER SPECIFIC QUESTIONS TO THIS? >> WHAT HAPPENS IF WE DON'T APPROVE? WHAT HAPPENS TO THE PROPERTY OWNER? WHAT WOULD THEY DO AT THAT POINT? >> WELL, I SUPPOSE THEY WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT ALTERNATIVE FUNDING SOURCES, IT IS VERY LIKELY THAT THE LEVEL OF INFRASTRUCTURE AND AMENITIES THAT ARE PLANNED FOR THIS COMMUNITY WOULD NOT BE POSSIBLE WITHOUT THE CDD TAX-EXEMPT BOND FINANCING. OFTEN, YOU KNOW, IF YOU START LOOKING AT OTHER MECHANISMS, YOU GET HOME PRICES THAT ARE MUCH HIGHER THAT WOULD KIND OF LIKE OUT THE MARKET. BUT THE DEVELOPER IS TARGETING THOSE ENTRY HOME PRICES. SO, I WOULD POSIT TO THE COMMISSIONERS, IF YOU ARE HAVING DOUBTS ABOUT THIS AND THERE IS OTHER INFORMATION WE CAN PROVIDE THAT MAKES YOU MORE COMFORTABLE, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD BE HAPPY TO COME BACK AND CONTINUE THIS, BRINGING IT TO YOU. BUT WE DO BELIEVE THE MATERIALS PRESENTED TONIGHT DO SUPPORT THE STATUTORY FACTORS THAT GO TOWARD ESTABLISHING A CDD. AND I AM HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR YOU THAT I CAN TONIGHT. >> THANK YOU. I HAVE NO CARD FOR ITEM 39 EITHER. SO I WILL OPEN A PUBLIC HEARING TO ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS SUBJECT. OH, WE DO HAVE SOMEBODY. COME ON UP. I DON'T HAVE A CARD FOR YOU. >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. MY NAME IS CURTIS CAMERON. ADDRESS IS 3225 LAWTON. I JUST WANTED TO ADDRESS THIS. I DID NOT PUT IT ON A CARD. I APPRECIATE MADAME COMMISSIONER FOR BRINGING UP THE POINT THAT YOU DID TO COUNSEL, PERTAINING TO THE CDD THAT IS GOING TO BE DEVELOPED, OR ASKING TO BE DEVELOPED OUT IN OAK LEAF. A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND. WHEN I FIRST GOT READY TO RETIRE FROM THE AIR FORCE, I ENDED UP AT ORANGE PARK MALL ANTI-NOTICED OAK LEAF BEING ADVERTISED AS THE NEXT FLEMING ISLAND. I ENDED UP PURCHASING A CONDO OUT THERE IN OAK LEAF AT JENNY'S POINT. AS THE DEVELOPER OF THOSE CONDOS, I ENDED UP ON THE TURNOVER BOARD AND I WAS ELECTED AS THE PRESIDENT. AS THE PRESIDENT OF THE H AWAY OUT THERE, IT WAS A POSITION FOR THE REST OF THE HOAS, WE WERE ABLE TO JOIN A MASTER CDD. A LOT OF THE QUESTIONS CAME OUT ABOUT CDD'S AND EVERYTHING, MY UNDERSTANDING WAS THAT AS DEVELOPERS CAME IN, THEY WOULD DO ONE OF TWO THINGS, THEY WOULD EITHER HAVE ALL THE INFRASTRUCTURE AT THEIR OWN EXPENSE BEING BUILT AND SET UP, OR THEY WOULD GO AHEAD AND DONATE THE ROADS, THE PROPERTY, AND EVERYTHING OVER THERE TO THE COUNTY. I WAS NOT FAMILIAR WITH CDD'S AT THAT TIME, BUT IT SEEMED TO ME THAT THE CDD'S BEING DEVELOPED ARE STILL GOING TO BE AT THE BURDEN OF THE HOMEOWNERS. NOW AS AS HOMEOWNERS COMING IN, BUYING INTO THESE COMMUNITIES, YOUR FUTURE CONSTITUENTS IN THAT AREA, THEY DID NOT HAVE A SAY SO IN THAT, BECAUSE THE CDD WAS DEVELOPED BY THE DEVELOPER USING THOSE MONIES, SO THEY DID NOT COME AND ATTACK THEIR BOTTOM LINE AS FAR AS DEVELOPING THE COMMUNITY. I HAVE SINCE MOVED FROM OAK LEAF AND MOVED OVER TO THE GREEN COVE AREA. THE FIRST PLACE THAT I USE MY VA HOME LOAN FOR WAS IN MAGNOLIA WEST. MAGNOLIA WEST AT THAT TIME HAD PULLED CDD BONDS OUT IN THE DEVELOPER FELL THROUGH. THAT WAS AFTER THEIR PHASE ONE. THERE WERE SOME ISSUES WITH THE JETHRO COMMUNITY AND SOME OF THE PROMISES THAT DEAN HORTON MADE AS THEY STARTED DEVELOPING THESE TOO. BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT GOT ME TO MOVE IN THERE AND BECOME ONE OF COMMISSIONER BURKE'S CONSTITUENTS WAS THE FACT THAT THEY WERE ADVERTISING NO CDD FEES. NOW, I WAS AWARE THAT THERE WAS AN H AWAY THERE. BUT THE CDD FEES BEING ADVERTISED AS BEING NONE, I ENDED UP FINDING OUT LATER THAT IT WAS MASKED AS A MAINTENANCE FEE OR SOMETHING ON OUR TAX BILL. I THEN PURCHASED MY SECOND HOME OVER IN WILLOW SPRINGS , WHERE THEY NOMINATED ME AS THEIR PRESIDENT. AND I RECENTLY JUST GOT DONE RUNNING FOR THE CDD OVER IN MAGNOLIA WEST AND I WON THAT SEAT, BARELY. I AM VERY EXCITED TO BE ON A CDD AND PARTICIPATE ON THAT. HELLO SPRINGS DOES NOT HAVE A CDD, BUT WE HAVE AN H AWAY. EVERY BOARD THAT I HAVE SERVED ON, THE MAIN CONCERN HAS ALWAYS BEEN ABOUT SPECIAL ASSESSMENTS. WE DO NOT WANT OUR HOMEOWNERS TO BE HIT WITH A SPECIAL ASSESSMENT BECAUSE OF OUR, IF I MAY? SPEAK WE DO NOT WANT OUR HOMEOWNERS TO BE HIT WITH A SPECIAL ASSESSMENT THAT ALL OF A SUDDEN, YOU ARE GETTING NAILED WITH $100,000 AND YOU CAN POSSIBLY LOSE YOUR HOUSE BECAUSE SOMEBODY DID NOT HAVE FORWARD THINKING, BEING SUED, [02:40:02] HAVING TO TAKE CARE OF ACCOUNTS THAT WERE NOT SET UP PROPERLY. I WOULD ASK THAT THIS COMMISSION TAKE THE TIME, THIS BOARD, TO REALLY CONSIDER ABOUT THE CDD'S AND EVERYTHING, AND HOW IT IS BEING SET UP OVER THERE. I AM NO LONGER IN OAK LEAF, I HAVE NO SAY IN IT. BUT EVERYTHING THE LADY SAID IS CORRECT. BUT HOW IT IS PUT OUT THERE, MSBU, SETTING UP HOAS AND EVERYTHING. THAT IS IT. THANK YOU. >> I DO NOT HAVE A CARD ON YOU. IF YOU COULD FILL ONE OUT? >> YES, SIR. I ALSO HAVE ANOTHER CARD FOR THE NEXT PUBLIC TIME TO SPEAK. MY NAME IS STEPHEN VAN BLOOM. I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT THIS ITEM NUMBER 39. ABOUT THE BENEFITS OF THE DEVELOPMENT . AND I WANTED TO JUST BRING ATTENTION, I DO NOT KNOW IF YOU REMEMBER ME SPEAKING SEVERAL MONTHS AGO, WE HAD FLOODING BEFORE THE BIG HURRICANE COMING THROUGH. WE BENEFIT FROM THIS DEVELOPMENT, FLOODING FROM THEIR, THE CLEARING OF THEIR LOT INTO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. WE HAVE HAD SIX HOUSES , NOT INTO THEIR HOUSES AS FAR AS I KNOW, BUT THEIR PROPERTIES WERE FLOODED. THEIR BACKYARDS AND FRONT YARDS WERE RUINED. AND I WAS GOING TO PUBLICLY OBJECT AND HOPE THAT THE BOARD WOULD MAYBE CONSIDER TABLING THIS MATTER FOR TIME TO CONSIDER FURTHER INVESTIGATING ON THIS. IF THERE WOULD BE ANY PUBLIC ASSURANCES FROM THIS ORGANIZATION, WHAT THEY COULD DO TO THEIR NEIGHBORS. BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THEY ARE CLEARING THE LOT, THEY ARE MOVING LAND AROUND, THEY ARE ALLOWING WATER TO FLOOD FROM THEIR LOT INTO OUR COMMUNITY. AND WHEN WE BROUGHT IT UP TO THE PEOPLE OUT THERE DOING IT, EITHER THEY WOULD PLAY IGNORANT OR THEY WOULD PLAY, LIKE, THEY DON'T CARE. SO, COMMISSIONER, YOU HAVE, TO VISIT AND YOU HAVE SEEN WHAT HAS HAPPENED BEFORE. I WISH I COULD HAVE SHOWED THE REST OF THE BOARD, THE COMMISSIONERS, THE ISSUES WE HAVE HAD . WE HAVE HAD, I THINK AROUND SIX OR SEVEN TIMES, DIFFERENT OCCURRENCES, AND IT WAS NOT DUE TO RAIN. IT WAS DO TO GROUNDWATER BEING PUSHED INTO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. AND SO THIS PARTICULAR POVERTY , OR THIS COMMUNITY, I WOULD HOPE THAT YOU WOULD CONSIDER TABLING THIS TONIGHT AND INVESTIGATE FURTHER BEFORE MAKING DECISIONS. THAT IS ALL I HAVE, UNLESS YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME. >> THANK YOU. >> MR. OTTER, IF YOU WANT TO SPEAK ON A SUBJECT, COME ON UP. >> I JUST CAME BACK FROM GREEN COVE JUST TO TALK TO YOU ALL, SIR. ARE YOU READY, SIR? >> YOUR TIME IS RUNNING, YES. >> OH, I DID NOT KNOW. THANK YOU. IN CLAY COUNTY FLORIDA, YOU KNOW DESANTIS VETOED SOME MONEY THAT WE NEEDED FOR THE ROADS AND STUFF. WE'VE GOT ALL THESE HOUSES, THERE ARE, LIKE, 40,000 HOUSES IN GREEN COVE GOING JUST INTO ONE AREA. I MEAN, WE NEED TO LEAVE THE UNINCORPORATED UNINCORPORATED. I MEAN, PEOPLE THAT ARE IN THE COUNTY, THEY DON'T WANT ALL THIS PUSHED TIME, JUST LIKE I SAID EARLIER. I DO NOT LIVE IN OAK , IN OAK LEAF EITHER, BUT I HAVE TO DRIVE THROUGH. I DRIVE AROUND THE AREA, I DO NOT JUST STAY IN MIDDLEBURG. YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? JUST BECAUSE I DO NOT LIVE THERE DOESN'T MEAN I SHOULD NOT HAVE A SAY IN IT. IN ALL THESE NEW HOUSES THAT YOU GUYS ARE PUTTING IN, YOU ARE GOING UP HIGHER AND FLOODING OUT THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE LIVED HERE FOR, YOU KNOW, A LONG, LONG TIME. IT IS THE SAME THING OVER AND OVER. WE KEEP COMING IN HERE AND ASKING YOU TO SLOW DOWN THE GROWTH. JUST SLOW IT DOWN. WE DO NOT HAVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE HERE. IT HAS BEEN ALL OVER THE NEWS. THAT THEY CANNOT GET OUT, THEY CANNOT MOVE AROUND, IT IS HAZARDOUS, YOU HAVE HEARD IT TONIGHT FROM OTHER FOLKS. IT IS JUST HAZARDOUS IN CLAY COUNTY. IN THE NEWS, THE CHANNEL 4 NEWS HAS LED IT. YOU KNOW? IT JUST NEEDS TO STOP. WE NEED TO VOTE NO ON 39, NO ON 40, NO ONE 41 . I MEAN, WE NEED TO KEEP OUR RURAL AREA, WE NEED TO KEEP SOME TREES, WE HAVE ALL THE TREES CUT DOWN NEXT TO US. YOU KNOW? WHAT IS GOING ON WITH ALL THIS PROPERTY ANYWAY? IS A COUNTY BUYING UP ALL THIS PROPERTY AROUND HERE? THERE ARE, LIKE, FOUR OR FIVE DIFFERENT LOTS RIGHT AROUND THIS BUILDING. SO, ANYWAY, IT IS SAD YOU ARE CUTTING DOWN ALL THE TREES. WE HAVE BEAUTIFUL TREES HERE. AND SOMEBODY ON YOUR TEAM JUST CAME IN AND WHACKED OUT ALL THE ONES IN THE BACK OF THE BUILDING, THEN THEY [02:45:04] CAME OUT AND WHACKED ALL THE TREES IN THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING. BEAUTIFUL LIVE OAKS, JUST GONE, JUST TORE THEM UP. I ASKED YOU FOR 5 YEARS TO MAINTAIN THOSE TREES. AND THEY DID NOT TAP IN THEM OR NOTHING, THE ROOTS WENT IN AND STARTED DESTROYING THE DRAINAGE DITCH RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE PROPERTY, THE ENTRANCE TO THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS WITH THE S OBS. SO, ANYWAY, I JUST BEG YOU, LIKE I HAVE BEEN DOING FOR YEARS, I AM SEEING PEOPLE GETTING HIT AND KILLED IN FRONT OF MY PROPERTY ON LANDING BECAUSE THERE IS NO LIGHTING THERE AND THE PEOPLE BEHIND THE OTHER FOLKS CANNOT SEE THE PEOPLE WALKING ACROSS THE STREET. WE JUST NEED SOME BETTER PLANNING ALTOGETHER. OAK LEAF IS KIND OF A FRESH SLATE. LET'S NOT LET IT SEE WHAT 17 HAS TURNED INTO, WHERE IT IS CONSTANT WRECKS AND CRASHES, SOMEBODY TRYING TO FIGHT WITH THE STATE -- TURN LANES. >> THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK ON ITEM NUMBER 39? YES, MA'AM? HAVE I CALLED ON YOU BEFORE? >> YES, SIR. >> HELLO. SHERRY JACE. I JUST WANT TO SAY SOMETHING ABOUT THE CDD LOCATIONS. NOT IN PARTICULAR JUST THIS ONE . 55 ACRES IS NOT GOING TO HAVE, IT WILL NOT OFFER YOU A LOT OF AMENITIES, NO MATTER WHAT THEY SAY. IF YOU ARE GOING TO BE PUTTING THAT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THAT IS NUMBER ONE. NUMBER TWO, I AM A REALTOR. I AM AN INVESTOR, I HAVE BEEN IN A TO A PRESIDENT AND TREASURER, I HAVE SEEN HOW THE CDD FEES CAN AFFECT. I HAVE TWO KIDS OVER THERE IN OAK LEAF RIGHT NOW. AND WHEN I GO TO SELL HOMES, THE VERY FIRST THING THEY ALL SAY IS, I DO NOT WANT TO LIVE IN A CITY WHERE THERE IS A CDD. THEY DO NOT WANT HOAS OR CDD'S. I SAID, WELL, WE CAN LOOK, WE WILL DO IT. YOU KNOW? IT WOULD BE A REALLY GOOD IDEA IF CLAY COUNTY WOULD JUST SAY NO TO THE CDD PLACES. YOU CAN STILL HAVE DEVELOPERS COME IN, AND ICE AGE AWAY, NICE COMMUNITIES WITH HOAS. AND LET, WHETHER THE A IS SELF-MANAGED, OR YOU HAVE THE CITY HANDLE THEM, THAT WOULD BE GREAT. THE CDD'S IN MY OPINION ARE NOT NECESSARY. THEY REALLY ARE NOT. I DO NOT KNOW HOW YOU WILL DO ALL THE ROADS AND WHATEVER. BUT, YOU KNOW? WHATEVER. YEAH. YEAH. I AM NOT A ROAD PERSON. BUT, MY POINT IS, IF THERE ARE BONDS FOR CDD'S AND ALL THIS OTHER STUFF, WHY NOT FOR ROADS? I DO NOT KNOW HOW IT WORKS. BUT I AM JUST SAYING, MY DAUGHTER HAD, YOU KNOW, YOU WILL TALK ABOUT THAT IN A FEW MINUTES. THE SMALL AND NARROW, I WAS JUST SHOWING MY NEIGHBOR OVER HERE, SHE HAD A SMALL HOUSE, I THINK IT IS A 40 FOOT WIDE LOT IN OAK LEAF. HER TAXES ARE , THEY WERE $3000 MORE THAN MINE AND I HAVE A HOUSE WORTH FOUR TIMES AS MUCH. BUT I AM NOT IN AN HOAS OR CDD AREA. YOU KNOW, YOU LOOK OUT OVER THERE AT OAK LEAF, AND YOU SEE THE LOVELY COMMUNITY, I THINK IS CALLED FOREST HEMIC. YOU KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT? THERE IS NO CDD OVER THERE. THERE IS NO CDD. AND THERE ARE OTHER COMMUNITIES OUT THERE, NO CDD'S. CDD'S ARE A TREMENDOUS BURDEN, ESPECIALLY A MILITARY FAMILY. I HAVE THREE KIDS IN THE MILITARY, MYSELF I'M RETIRED. AND I AM TELLING YOU, IT IS A TREMENDOUS BURDEN TO HAVE AN EIGHT OR $10,000 BILL OVER YOUR TEXT THAT WITH A CDD AND ALL OF THAT. JUST CONSIDER, TRIED THE NO CDD WAY. IT WOULD BE SUCH AN ATTRACTION FOR CLAY COUNTY TO BE A BEDROCK COMMUNITY. JUST MY THOUGHT. >> ANYONE ELSE? YES, SIR. HAVE YOU FILLED OUT A CARD? >> NO. >> PLEASE DO BEFORE YOU LEAVE. >> GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS CHRIS WARD FROM SUTTON PARK DRIVE SOUTH. I WORK FOR MERITAGE HOMES. SO I AM THE APPLICANT. I THOUGHT IT WAS IMPORTANT TO JUST TO TALK ABOUT A COUPLE POINTS. SO THIS COMMUNITY IS RIGHT NEXT TO THE OTTER BELTWAY. IT IS GOING TO BE A TOWNHOME COMMUNITY WHERE WE ARE FOCUSING ON AFFORDABILITY . SO, THE 30 YEAR MORTGAGE RATE TODAY IS 7%, WHICH MAKE IT REALLY HARD FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO AFFORD HOUSING. AND SO BY USING THE CDD'S, WE CAN OFFSET SOME OF THAT PURCHASE PRICE AT A TAX-FREE BOND TO INVESTORS AT A 5.5% INTEREST RATE. SO WHAT WE ARE ABLE TO DO, WE ACTUALLY ARE ABLE TO OFFER NICE AMENITIES IN THAT COMMUNITY , AND OFFSET SOME OF THE PURCHASE PRICE FOR [02:50:07] THE HOMEOWNER AT A LOWER INTEREST RATE. SO, IF YOU THINK ABOUT THAT, THAT IS REALLY IMPORTANT IN TODAY'S CLIMATE TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE AFFORDABLE HOUSING. LIKE I SAID, THIS IS A TOWNHOME COMMUNITY, WE ARE OFFERING DIFFERENT SIZED TOWNHOMES THROUGHOUT THE 500+ UNIT. WE ARE PREPARED TO BUILD TWO DIFFERENT AMENITY CENTERS THAT BOTH HAVE A KIDS PARK. IT WILL HAVE A SPLASH PAD, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS. ANOTHER AMENITY AREA IS ALSO GOING TO HAVE THE MORE ADULT THEMED POOL. WE HAVE A BIG SPACE WE ARE PLANNING TO DO A DOG PARK, ALONG WITH THE SIDEWALKS AND EVERYTHING THAT WE ARE PUTTING IN PLACE. WE ALSO ARE IMPROVING, COURTNEY CAN TELL ME WHAT THE OFFICIAL NAME IS, I THINK IT IS THE SPINE ROAD, OR THE PIECE THAT CONNECTS BACK TO THE INTERCHANGE, WE ARE BUILDING A $3.3 MILLION IMPROVEMENT, IT IS PART OF THE DEVELOPER AGREEMENT FOR THE OVERALL MASTER PLAN. ONCE WE BUILD THAT ROAD, IT WILL BE CONVEYED TO THE COUNTY. SO, WE BELIEVE THAT OUR PROJECT IS OFFERING A LOT OF BENEFIT TO THE COUNTY, TO OUR FUTURE RESIDENTS. AND WE ARE ALSO GOING TO BE ABLE TO OFFER AFFORDABLE HOUSING TO OUR FUTURE HOMEOWNERS. SO THAT IS ALL I HAVE TO SAY. >> OKAY, THANK YOU. DOES ANYONE ELSE WISH TO SPEAK ON ITEM NUMBER 39? SEEING NONE, HEARING NONE, THAT CLOSES THE PUBLIC HEARING PORTION. JUST REMEMBER , WE ARE VOTING ON A FORM OF GOVERNANCE, NOT FLOODING AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF. BUT A FORM OF GOVERNANCE. EVERY FORM HAS SOME ADVANTAGES AND SOME DISADVANTAGES. AND THIS IS A FREE MARKET-TYPE THING. WITH DISCLOSURE REQUIREMENTS, BUYER BEWARE, I CANNOT GO, WE CANNOT GO AND ATTEND EVERYONE'S CLOSING ACTIONS. BUT THE BUYER IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT TYPE OF STUFF. AND THE OTHER THING THAT JUST RESONATED WITH ME, WITH A , WITH A FORM OF GOVERNANCE, WHETHER IT BE AN HOAS OR A CDD, IF YOU HAVE EXPENDITURE OR AN IMPLANT EXPENDITURE, THE ABILITY TO BOND THAT AND SPREAD THAT OVER 30 YEARS, WE TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, BEING IN THE MILITARY MYSELF, I SERVED THREE YEARS, NO LONGER THAN THREE YEARS AT ANY ONE PARTICULAR PLACE. I ONLY HAVE TO PAY THREE YEARS OF THAT. WHERE IS IT IS AN AGE AWAY, IF I'M THERE, I COULD HAVE UP TO $10,000 IN A SPECIAL ASSESSMENT. SO, LIKE I SAID, EVERY GOVERNANCE MODEL HAS ITS ADVANTAGES AND DISADVANTAGES. AND YOU HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD WITH, WHO WILL PAY FOR THESE ROADS? I WILL TELL YOU, A LOT OF MY RESIDENCE IN NORTHERN DISTRICT 3 DO NOT REALLY WANT TO PAY FOR THOSE ROADS. SO THIS PUTS A BURDEN ON THE NEW RESIDENCE. SO, ANYWAY, WITH THAT SAID, CAN WE HAVE A MOTION OR ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? >> I WILL MAKE SOME COMMENTS. SO, I WILL DEFER TO YOU, COMMISSIONER, THIS IS YOUR DISTRICT. I HAVE WONDERED CDD IN MY DISTRICT. SO, DISTRICT 4 IS THE PLACE TO LIVE IF YOU DO NOT WANT CDD'S, BUT WE DO HAVE HOAS. AND ONE THING I WILL SAY IS THAT I HAVE AT LEAST THREE I CAN THINK OF OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD RIGHT NOW, SUBDIVISIONS THAT WERE, IN ONE CASE, 50 YEARS OLD OVER THE MAIN, WHICH WE KNOW IS PRETTY OLD. AND IT IS, AND THE HOAS WENT DEFUNCT. AND AT ONE POINT, SOMEONE TRIED TO DEED THOSE ROADS TO THE COUNTY FOR COUNTY MAINTENANCE BACK IN THE 70S AND 80S. THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONER AT THE TIME DID NOT ACCEPT THOSE FOR MAINTENANCE. AND SO NOW I HAVE THREE NEIGHBORHOODS WHERE PEOPLE ARE REALLY STRUGGLING BECAUSE, NOT ONLY DOES NO ONE MAINTAIN THE ROADS, NO ONE ACTUALLY OWNS THE ROADS. THESE DEFUNCT HOAS ON THE ROADS. I THINK THAT THE COUNTY COMMISSION CHANGED THAT FUNCTION A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO BEFORE I GOT ON THE COMMISSION BY REQUIRING NEW SUBDIVISIONS TO HAVE AN MSBU TO MAINTAIN THE ROADS SO IT WILL NOT HAPPEN AGAIN IN THE COUNTY WILL NOT JUST ACCEPT MAINTENANCE OF THESE ROADS AT WILL, SO THAT THE BURDEN IS NOT ON ALL THE TAXPAYERS. CERTAINLY, SO I UNDERSTAND THAT PART. BUT I APPRECIATE, I HAVE NEVER LIVED IN A CDD COMMUNITY. I HAVE LIVED IN AN AGE AWAY COMMUNITY, WHERE IF YOU PUT YOUR TRASH OUT TOO SOON, YOU GOT A NOTICE. AND THAT KIND OF THING. I THINK SOME OF THEM CAN GET OUT OF HAND. BUT PEOPLE CHOOSE TO LIVE THERE. I CHOSE TO LIVE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE OF THE SCHOOL AND OFFERED, MY CHILD [02:55:05] COULD WALK TO IT, AND THE AMENITIES. THEY WERE NOT FREE, YOU HAD TO HAVE A MEMBERSHIP TO HAVE THEM, AND I KNEW THAT WHEN I WENT IN THERE. SO I APPRECIATE BOTH SIDES OF IT. I LIVE IN THE WOODS NOW, AND I APPRECIATE NOT HAVING ANY OF THIS. BUT I ALSO APPRECIATE WHAT YOU ARE SAYING. BUT I THINK YOU ARE SAYING IS, IT IS NOT IN MY DISTRICT NOW, BUT IT COULD COME. AND I WONDER, IF BY THE COUNTY NOT MAINTAINING THESE ROADS, AND CERTAINLY NOT BUILDING THE ROADS, THE COUNTY WILL NOT GO BUILD THE ROADS, WE DO NOT HAVE THE MONEY, AND WE WOULD NOT ANYWAY. WHY WOULD WE BUILD NEW DEVELOPMENT ROADS? SO, IF WE ARE NOT GOING TO DO THAT, I THINK THE CDD IS THE MECHANISM SO THAT THEY CAN DO THIS. I APPRECIATE, SORRY, I HAVEN'T FORGOTTEN YOUR NAME, BUT THIS GENTLEMAN WITH MERITAGE HOMES, I APPRECIATE THAT YOU HAVE PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHTS AS THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY TO DEVELOP IT WITHIN THOSE ZONING AND LAND-USE IS THAT YOU HAVE, AND THAT THIS IS ONE MECHANISM AVAILABLE TO YOU. AND CERTAINLY, I WOULD NEVER WANT TO TRAMPLE ON THOSE RIGHTS EITHER. SO , I THINK YOU USED THE WORD CONUNDRUM. I REALLY FEEL THE SAME ISSUE. I REALLY FEEL TORN. BUT I WILL DEFER TO, IF YOU SUPPORT IT, I WILL SUPPORT YOU. BUT IT IS IN YOUR DISTRICT. I SEE THE PLUSES AND THE MINUSES. >> MR. CHAIR, IF I COULD? >> SURE. >> I REALLY DID NOT WANT TO GET INVOLVED TOO MUCH INTO THE WEEDS WITH THE CDC'S IS CDD'S IN HOAS, BUT I HAVE LIVED IN A CDD DEVELOPMENT ON PLANTATION FOR 21 YEARS. I WAS ON THE BOARD THERE FOR 12 YEARS. NEEDLE HARBOR, ONE OF THE LARGEST, MOST SUCCESSFUL CDD DEVELOPMENTS IN ALL OF FLORIDA, I DO NOT EVEN KNOW HOW MANY HOMES THEY HAVE THEIR PEERS SEVEN OR 8000. >> 7000? >> YEAH. AND COMING ON PLANTATIONS OVER 3000, AGAIN, VERY SUCCESSFUL CDD'S. THE CDD FEE IS REASONABLE FOR THE AMENITIES THAT YOU GET. AND YOU ALSO HAVE ANOTHER BOARD THAT IS, AT THIS POINT, BECAUSE OF THE MAJORITY OF THE TWO FACILITIES, YOU HAVE BOARDS THAT ARE MADE UP OF ALL RESIDENTS. AS I SEE IT, THE DIFFERENCE IS THAT THE DEVELOPER WITH THE CDS THE -- CDD GETS THE MONEY UP FRONT AND THEN THEY BUILD THE ROADS, THEY PUT IN STORM WATER SYSTEMS, POOLS, TENNIS COURTS, WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE. PARKS. BUT WHAT THEY DO IS THEY SPREAD THAT MONEY IS, IT HAS TO BE PAID BACK OVER 30 YEARS. WHERE AN AGE AWAY, THE DEVELOPER HAS TO PUT THE MONEY IN THEMSELVES, OR THEY HAVE TO GO TO THE BANK OR SOME KIND OF LENDING INSTITUTE TO GET THE MONEY. AND THEY PUT THE MONEY UP FRONT, BUT THEY HAVE TO PAY THAT BACK. USUALLY THAT IS BUILT INTO THE PRICE OF THE HOMES. SO YOUR HOMES ARE GOING TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE EXPENSIVE BECAUSE OF THAT COST THAT IS ALREADY BAKED IN. AND THEN THERE IS AN AGE AWAY FEE ON TOP OF THAT FOR RUNNING THE COMMON GROUND, USUALLY FOR AN HLA. OF COURSE, CDD'S AND HOAS, YOU HAVE COMMUNITIES IN THOSE CDD'S. THE BOTTOM LINE IS, IT REALLY IS JUST A PERSONAL CHOICE. I THINK THE REAL ESTATE INDIGENCY -- INDUSTRY HAS MADE A BIG MISTAKE BY SELLING AGAINST THEMSELVES IN THE SENSE THAT, YOU KNOW , YOU SEE A LOT OF DEVELOPMENTS WITH NO CDD FEES. MY CDD FEES ARE ABOUT $1400-$1500, MAYBE SLIGHTLY A BIT MORE THAN THAT. THAT IS AFTER'S 20 SOMETHING ODD YEARS. IN THE DEVELOPMENT, WE'VE GOT TO POOLS, TENNIS COURTS, WE JUST REFINANCED BOND FOR 6 TO 8 PICKLE BOARDS -- PICKLEBALL COURTS. WHEN YOU SELL AGAINST HERSELF BY SAYING, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE KNOWN CDD FEES, IT GIVES IT A BIT OF A STIGMA. IF THEY ARE DONE RIGHT, THEY ARE VERY GOOD. THE OTHER THING IS, WITH HOAS, THEY HAVE TO GO TO SPECIAL ASSESSMENTS TO RAISE FUNDS WHERE THE CDD, IN TERMS OF BOND OR REFINANCING BONDS, WE REFINANCED BONDS IN OUR DEVELOPMENT AT LEAST THREE TIMES. AND WE TOOK OUT EACH TIME SEVERAL MILLION DOLLARS, SOME WERE FOR ADDITIONAL AMENITIES, SOME WENT BACK TO THE OWNERS. AND SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, IT REALLY JUST DEPENDS, I [03:00:03] THINK IT DEPENDS ON THE DEVELOPER AND WHERE THEY WANT TO GO OR HOW THEY WANT TO WORK THERE SYSTEM. BUT ANYWAY, THE CONSUMER IS GOING TO PAY FOR THAT. IT IS JUST A MATTER OF WHERE IT COMES IN AND TO GET PAID FOR. WHETHER THAT IS A SPECIAL ASSESSMENT, AN HOA THAT HAS TO BORROW THE MONEY TO BE ABLE TO BUILD WHAT THEY ARE GOING TO BUILD , AGAIN , WHEN I LEFT THE CDD BOARD EIGHT YEARS AGO, WE NOT ONLY HAD A FULLY FUNDED RESERVE STUDY, BUT WE ALSO HAD AN ADDITIONAL $1 MILLION IN THE BANK. SO IT CAN BE DONE AND IT CAN BE VERY HELPFUL. I WOULD NOT MOVE ANYWHERE ELSE AT THIS POINT IN TIME. AS I SAID, THREE DIFFERENT HOUSES IN 21 YEARS. SO, I TAKE EXCEPTION WHEN PEOPLE START KNOCKING, IN PARTICULAR, ASPECTS OF THINGS WHEN YOU MAY BE DO NOT HAVE THE WHOLE STORY. THAT IS JUST RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER FROM YOU. IT IS NOT TOO FAR AWAY FROM EITHER OF US. I DO NOT HAVE A PROBLEM WITH CDD'S, I DO HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE INTEREST RATE SELLING AGAINST ITSELF . AND YOU DO NOT WANT TO MOVE INTO WHERE THERE IS AC/DC, YES, THERE IS AN EXTRA COST, BUT THAT IS NOT THE REASON YOU MAY HAVE GOTTEN EIGHT OR 10 --, EXCUSE ME. SORRY WE INTERRUPTED YOU. BUT YOUR DAUGHTER'S TEXTILE MAY NOT JUST HAVE BEEN BECAUSE OF THE CDD FEES. AND HERE IS ONE OTHER THING. IT IS ANECDOTAL, I DO NOT KNOW IF IT IS TRUE . BUT, YOU KNOW, I WAS IN REAL ESTATE FOR THREE YEARS, I MANAGED TO PROPERTIES FOR EIGHT YEARS, I HAD MY OWN RENTAL PROPERTIES. THE VALUE OF THE PROPERTIES IN THE CDD'S, AT LEAST AS IT RELATES TO, AND WE WERE IN BOTH THE PLANTATION, EAGLE HARBOR, AND ONE OF THE CDD'S, I CANNOT REMEMBER WHICH ONE IT WAS FOR OAK LEAF. TIMBERLAKE WAS THE NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT I CANNOT THINK OF WHICH ONE IT WAS. ALL THOSE PROPERTIES HELD THEIR VALUES MUCH BETTER THAN THEY WERE IN NON-CDD PROPERTIES. PEOPLE MOVE HERE, THEY WANT THE AMENITIES. IF YOU DO NOT HAVE YOUR OWN POOL, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A COMMUNITY POOL. LIKE I SAID, I DO NOT WANT TO GET INTO IT. BUT, FIRSTHAND, I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH CDD'S. HAVING BEEN ON THE BOARD AND LIVED IN ONE FOR AS LONG AS I HAVE. I MEAN, I WILL BE GLAD TO DEFER THAT TO THE COMMISSIONER, UNLESS THEY DO NOT WANT ME TO. AND THAT I WILL GLAD TO MAKE A MOTION IF NEEDED. >> YEAH. I WILL JUST SAY, TO GET TO MOVE THIS ALONG, I DO A MOTION TO APPROVE. HOWEVER, THE CAVEAT IS, AND I WANT TO MAKE THIS VERY PLAIN. THE ALTERNATIVE TO A CDD IS NOT JUST AN HOA. WE HAVE MFBU'S IN THE COUNTY, ONE OF THE THING THAT JENNIFER TOLD ME IN OUR CONVERSATION WAS THAT A LOT OF COSTS ACHED INTO A CDD ARE ADMINISTERED OF COSTS. IF WE GO THE TRENTON ROUTE BY THOSE ADMINISTERED OF COST ARE ASSUMED BY THE TAXPAYER. IF WE ARE ALREADY HAVING TO PAY FOR, IF WE ALREADY HAVE TO PAY TAXES IN CLAY COUNTY AND THE COUNTY IS TAKING ON THAT ROLE OF ASSESSING FOR ROAD MAINTENANCE , THEN, IN THEORY, IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE THE RESIDENT IS NOT GOING TO HAVE TO PAY THAT ADMINISTERED OF COST IN THE CDD PEER SO WHAT I AM WONDERING IS WHETHER THERE IS A WAY TO LIMIT THE AMOUNT OF MONEY AN INDIVIDUAL HOMEOWNER IS ASSESSED, IF THERE ARE BETTER ROUTES TO ACHIEVE THE SAME THING. AND SO I KNOW THAT OUR BUDGET HAS SEVERAL PAGES OF MSBU'S. SO I DO NOT WANT, I DO NOT LIKE THE CONVERSATION BEING PITCHED AS A CDD VERSUS AN HOA, BECAUSE THAT IS NOT THE ONLY DYNAMIC. YOU'VE GOT THREE OR FOUR OTHER ALTERNATIVES. AND I HAVE ALREADY, I DO NOT KNOW IF I AM TOO CONFIDENT IN DEVELOPERS BEING THAT RESORT. BUT ALONG WITH THE DEVELOPERS AND CDD'S, YOU HAVE MSBU'S THAT ARE AVAILABLE, AND HOAS. SO, TO YOUR POINT, IF HOAS ARE THAT QUICK TO DEFUNCT OR DEFAULTS, MAYBE THAT IS NOT THE BEST ROUTE. BUT I AM ALL FOR EXPLORING THE OPTION THAT IS MOST COST-EFFECTIVE TO THE HOMEOWNER OR THE RESIDENT. AND IF THAT CONVERSATION BOILS DOWN TO EITHER A CDD OR AN MSP YOU, [03:05:02] I WANT TO KNOW. AGAIN, AT THIS JUNCTURE, NOTHING AGAINST MERITAGE HOMES. I'M SURE THOSE TOWNHOMES WILL BE GREAT AND YOU WILL PROVIDE A GREAT AMENITY FOR THOSE WHO MOVE IN. BUT THE CONVERSATION, AGAIN, IS HAPPENING WELL BEFORE THOSE RESIDENTS EVEN,. AND I DO NOT WANT TO BE THE ONE TO TAKE THE DECISION OFF THE TABLE IF THEY WILL HAVE TO PAY MORE TO BE IN A CDD AND THEN THEY DID NOT REALLY HAVE A SHOT AT MAKING A DECISION ABOUT WHETHER A CDD WAS THERE. SOMETHING TO YOUR POINT , COMMISSIONER VINEGAR, SOMEONE HAS TO PAY FOR IT, THAT IS REASONABLE, I GET THAT. CAN WE SET UP A WAY FOR THEM TO PAY LESS? CDD'S ARE EXPENSIVE, I LIVE IN ONE. SO IT IS NOT THAT I AM NEBULOUS TO THE CONVERSATION. I KNOW WHAT , I KNOW HOW IT AFFECT ME. AND I JUST DO NOT LIKE LIMITING OPTIONS AND HOAS ARE AN OPTION. AGAIN, MSP YOU'S ARE AN OPTION, DEVELOPERS ARE AN OPTION, HOAS. SO I HAVE ALREADY MADE A MOTION TONIGHT, I DO WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS, BT I DO NOT KNOW THAT I WOULD BE APT TO DOING IT SO QUICKLY ON THE NEXT PROJECT. AND SO I AM PUTTING THAT OUT THERE FOR US, I DO NOT WANT TO BLINDSIDE ANYBODY EITHER. WE HAVE SEEN CDD'S COME THROUGH. THIS IS PROBABLY MY SECOND OR THIRD THAT I HAVE VOTED ON IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS. SO, IT BEGGED THE QUESTION IN MY MIND WHEN I WAS HAVING THIS CONVERSATION WITH THE COUNTY ATTORNEY, HOW MANY HOAS DO WE HAVE IN MY DISTRICT? BECAUSE I CAN ONLY SPEAK FOR DISTRICT TWO. AND TO FIND OUT THAT THERE WAS THAT IMBALANCE, IT GAVE ME PAUSE, IT GAVE ME A PAUSE. AND I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS PROJECT TONIGHT, BUT THERE IS A LOT OF LAND IN IT DISTRICT TWO. AND I WOULD BE VERY SURPRISED IF THIS WOULD BE THE LAST TIME THAT WE ARE HAVING A CONVERSATION, OR JENNIFER AND I ARE HAVING A CONVERSATION ABOUT THIS. AS I UNDERSTAND IT, YOU GUYS ARE ALL OVER THE STATE. SO, BEARING IN MIND THAT THOSE ARE MY RESERVATIONS, I AM LOOKING FORWARD TO OUR NEXT CONVERSATION ABOUT THIS. >> A MOTION? A MOTION AND A 2ND TO APPROVE THE CDD AT THE DISTRICT AT OAKLEAF. ANY COMMENTS? >> ONLY ONE OTHER CONCERN. IF MR. MERITAGE HOMES COULD PLEASE GET WITH MR. CAMERON OAKS AND FIGURE OUT THE STORMWATER ISSUE, WE HAVE SEEN PICTURES AND STUFF. THAT IS NOT WHAT WE ARE VOTING ON TONIGHT, BUT I THINK IT WAS BROUGHT UP A VALID CONCERN. Y'ALL ARE IN THE SAME LOCATION, IF YOU COULD WORK OUT SOMETHING, THAT WOULD BE VERY PLEASANT. THANK YOU. A MOTION AND A 2ND TO APPROVE THE CDD AT THE DISTRICT OF OAKLEAF. ANY [40.  Final Public Hearing to consider adoption of PUD 24-0006. (District 1, Comm. Cella) (J. Bryla)] COMMENTS, QUESTIONS, OR CONCERNS? SEEING THAT AND HEARING NONE, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. IT PASSES 5-0. ITEM NUMBER 40 IS THE FINAL PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER ADOPTION OF THE 2024-00 6. >> SO THE PLANNING COMMISSION ACTUALLY CONTINUED THE ITEM, WHICH MEANS THAT IT IS NOT ACTUALLY YOUR FINAL HEARING. SO IT IS NOT UP FOR YOU TO HAVE ANY DISCUSSION OR DECISIONS ON. HOWEVER, IT WAS ADVERTISED AS A PUBLIC HEARING. SO IF THERE ARE MEMBERS HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK AT THIS TIME? >> OKAY. WE WILL COME BACK BEFORE YOU. IT HAS BEEN HEARD BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION. >> DECEMBER 3RD? >> IT WILL BE AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION ON DECEMBER 3RD. >> WELL, WE WILL NOT HEAR IT ON DECEMBER 12TH THEN, WILL WE? OH, WE WILL? OKAY. I HAVE ONE CARD AND PROBABLY A FEW MORE. FROM ANGELA MALLORY? >> SINCE THEY MAY NOT BE ABLE TO ATTEND IN DECEMBER , WE CAN AT LEAST --. >> OKAY, I SEE WHAT YOU ARE SAYING. IF YOU INTEND TO SPEAK ON ITEMS NUMBER 40, 41, COULD YOU CONGREGATE IN THE AISLE WAY? A QUASIJUDICIAL HEARING. SO YOU NEED TO BE SWORN IN BY OUR CLERK. >> ALL RIGHT. IF YOU WILL PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND [03:10:03] AND REPEAT AFTER ME. NOT REPEAT AFTER ME, ANSWER THE QUESTION. TESTIMONY YOU ARE ABOUT TO GIVE WILL BE THE WHOLE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH, SO HELP YOU GOD? THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> I HAVE OPENED THE PUBLIC HEARING, THE FIRST ONE IS ANGELA MALLORY. >> GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS. ALL RIGHT. SO, I KNOW THAT THIS WILL BE UP AGAIN. IT WILL PROBABLY BE BEFORE THE COMMISSION IF YOU WERE TIMES BEFORE IT IS SETTLED. ONE OF THE ISSUES OF THE RESIDENCE, I SPEAK FOR MOST OF US, THAT THE INFRASTRUCTURE, I AM NOT SPEAKING OF THE PLAN TO DEVELOP OR THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT, BUT THE INFRASTRUCTURE IN GENERAL FOR ALL HARD ROAD. I DO NOT KNOW HOW MANY OF YOU DRIVE DOWN THE OLD HARD ROAD. IT IS ALREADY CAUSE I UNSUSTAINABLE. AT THE PRAYER MEETING AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION, THE DEVELOPERS HAD INDICATED, OH, NO. INSTEAD OF 179 HOMES ON THE 60 ACRES, 62 ACRES, WE ARE NOW GOING TO DO ONLY 156 SLIDES. AND THEN I DID LEARN TODAY THAT THE MEETING WILL NOT BE RE-NOTICED. SO, WE HAVE OUR OWN INTERNAL DEVICES WHERE WE LET EACH OTHER KNOW WHEN THERE ARE GOING TO BE HEARINGS, BUT AS FAR AS THE SIGNAGE ALREADY ADVERTISED, THERE IS NO WAY FOR THE GENERAL PUBLIC TO KNOW WHEN THAT HEARING WILL ACTUALLY TAKE PLACE. BUT WHAT WE ARE MOST CONCERNED ABOUT IS JUST INFRASTRUCTURE, INFRASTRUCTURE, INFRASTRUCTURE. THERE IS NOT REALLY A WAY FOR OLD HART TO GET ANY BUSIER. THERE IS ONE WAY, THAT IS HIS PROPOSED COMMUNITY. BUT MY DAUGHTER ACTUALLY GOES TO THAT SCHOOL . I LOVE THE SCHOOL, I HATE THE TRAFFIC. WE LIVE LESS THAN A MILE AWAY FROM THE SCHOOL, SHE IS A TEENAGER. AND I CANNOT LET HER RIDE HER BIKE TO SCHOOL BECAUSE THAT ROAD IS SCARY. AND THEN SHE WILL BE DRIVING IN A YEAR OR TWO AND IT WILL REMAIN JUST AS SCARY. BUT THAT IS REALLY WHAT I'VE GOT RIGHT NOW. I WILL HAND IT OVER TO ANYONE ELSE. THANK YOU SO MUCH, COMMISSIONERS. >> THANK YOU. I DO NOT HAVE ANY OTHER CARD THAT I SEE THAT SOMEBODY WANTS TO SPEAK ON THIS SUBJECT. >> MR. CHAIR, IF I MAKE? IN YOUR PAST TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS YOU HAVE SPOKEN ON, YOU HAVE USED PROFANITY. DO NOT USE ANY PROFANITY IN THIS ONE OR I WILL ASK THAT THE CHAIRMAN ASKED THE DEPUTY TO ESCORT YOU OUT. PROFANITY IS NOT PROTECTED UNDER THE FIRST AMENDMENT. PLEASE DO NOT USE IT. >> WHAT WAS THE PROFANITY? >> I WILL NOT SAY IT BECAUSE IT IS NOT APPROPRIATE IN THIS DECORUM. KEEP YOUR MOUTH INTO TALKING ABOUT THE ISSUE, WHICH IS THIS ISSUE, NUMBER 40. >> MY BUSINESS NAME, IS THAT WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT? >> NO, I AM NOT. >> OKAY, WELL. IS MY TIME STARTED NOW? >> IT IS ALREADY RUNNING. >> I KNOW, THERE HAVE BEEN THREE TIMES NOW TONIGHT THAT IT HAS DONE WRONG. OKAY. SO, JAMES I DO. TOYS OF CLAY COUNTY, FOR THE. AGAIN, I CANNOT UNDERSTAND HOW WE GOT ALL THESE ROAD PROBLEMS AND YOU GUYS JUST KEEP, I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND THE OTHER ONE IS RIGHT ON TOP OF THE OTHER BELTWAY. BUT THEY'RE SAFE ENOUGH TO GO TO THE STORES AND EVERYTHING ELSE. AND LIKE I SAID ON THE LAST ONE, DESANTIS VETOED THE TAX MONEY FOR THE ROADS IN NORTH FLORIDA. AND, YEAH, I JUST CANNOT UNDERSTAND HOW YOU ARE TAKING ALL THE AGRICULTURE AND RESIDENTIAL, I DON'T CARE IF THEY GOT APPROVAL 10 OR 20 YEARS AGO. OTHER PEOPLE HAVE BUILT UP. THEY SHOULD NOT BE ABLE TO BE USING WHAT THEY GOT APPROVED YEARS AND YEARS AGO, THEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN BUILDING IT. THE BUILDING PERMITS COMING WITHIN A YEAR, YOU HAVE TO DO THEM WITHIN A YEAR. SO WHY ARE THESE PEOPLE ALLOWED TO DO THINGS 10, 15 YEARS LATER? AND WHY ARE Y'ALL COMING IN HERE AND APPROVING ALL THIS MESS? BECAUSE ALL THESE CLOWNS ON 17 AND LANDING, IT IS ALL GETTING WORSE. YOU KNOW? LAKE ASBURY HAS BEEN GETTING NOTHING BUT WORSE BECAUSE OF THE PRIOR BOARD'S DECISIONS. I WILL ASK YOU TO VOTE THIS TIME JUST LIKE I ASKED YOU TO VOTE THE LAST ITEM DOWN. IT IS NOT RIGHT TO THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE LIVED HERE [03:15:02] FOR 21 YEARS. YOU KNOW? I'M NOT ABOUT HIM, BUT, YOU KNOW? THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE HERE HAVE RIGHTS TOO. AND YOU GUYS ARE COMING IN HERE, BUILDING STUFF UP AND FLOODING OUT PEOPLE THAT HAVE LIVED HERE. IT IS NOT RIGHT. IT IS NOT RIGHT AT ALL WHAT THIS PRIOR BOARD HAS AN IN WITH THE NEW MEMBERS HAD TO COME IN AND DEAL WITH OVER THIS GRANT, AND A GRANT, YOU STILL HAVE TO PAY MORE MONEY. YOU KNOW? TWO BY FOURS ARE DOWN, LIKE, 30%. 2006, 2008, IT WAS ALL OVER AGAIN. WE WILL GET SUCKED IN WITH ALL THESE HIGH PRICES AND OVERBUILDING THAT WE SHOULD NOT HAVE. WE HAVE TONS OF PROPERTY SITTING AROUND THAT THEY COULD NOT RENT. AND THAT IS WHERE YOU ARE GOING TO BE AT. YOU WILL HAVE ALL THIS STUFF BUILT UP AND PEOPLE WILL NOT BE ABLE TO AFFORD IT. THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE LIVED HERE ALL THIS TIME. YOU ARE STEPPING ON THEIR RIGHT. IT IS NOT RIGHT. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON ITEM NUMBER 40? LIKE I SAID, WE WILL VOTE TO CONTINUE THIS, PROBABLY TO DECEMBER 12TH. >> I MISSPOKE, IT IS THE 10TH. >> THE 10TH? OKAY. DECEMBER 10TH. ANYONE ELSE WANT TO SPEAK ON THIS THING? >> SORRY, I DON'T UNDERSTAND. >> WE ARE NOT GOING TO VOTE ON THIS TONIGHT. CORRECT. AND IT WILL COME BEFORE US ON DECEMBER 10TH. >> OKAY. DOES THAT MEAN THAT -- CONTINUE THEIR DECISION UNTIL DECEMBER 3RD. OKAY, THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE WANTING TO SPEAK? THE PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED. >> OH, YOU DO? OH, I AM SORRY. >> I LIVE AT 2129 BLUE HERON COVE DRIVE . >> PUT A MICROPHONE UP. YEAH. >> WE ARE ADJACENT TO THE PROPOSED COMMUNITY. IN THE ORIGINAL PLAN BY THE BUILDER, IT WAS PUBLISHED, I THINK, ON THE WEBSITE AND WE WERE ABLE TO SEE THAT AND SEE WHAT THE PLAN WAS. WHEN WE GOT IN HERE FOR THE FIRST HEARING, THE PLANET THAT WE HAD ACCESS TO DID NOT SHOW ALL THE EMERGENCY EXITS, INGRESS AND EGRESS TO THE COMMUNITY. I KIND OF WANT TO PROTEST THAT A LITTLE BIT. WE WERE NOT DEALING WITH THE FULL INFORMATION. WE BELIEVE THAT WILL BE PART OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. ALSO, THE WAY THE COMMUNITY IS CURRENTLY REDRAWING, WE CANNOT FIND THAT ANYWHERE ON THE WEBSITE, OR WE HAVE NOTHING THAT ANYWHERE. WE WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO SEE THAT, IF WE COULD, PLEASE, FOR FURTHER COMMENT TO SEE WHAT WE ARE DEALING WITH. I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO ADD THAT IT SEEMS LIKE THE PROBLEMS WE ARE HAVING ON THE ROAD NEED TO BE THE PRIMARY TOPIC OF DISCUSSION HERE. WE KIND OF NEED TO FIX THAT BEFORE WE ADD MORE HOUSES TO THE PROBLEM. THAT IS ALL I HAVE. >> DECEMBER 3RD WOULD BE A GOOD TIME FOR YOU TO VOICE THOSE CONCERNS. AND HAVE YOU FILLED OUT A CARD? >> I WILL DO THAT FOR YOU BEFORE I LEAVE. >> YES, PLEASE. ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS SUBJECT? THAT WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING OUT. SO, WE NEED TO VOTE ON CONTINUING UNTIL DECEMBER 10TH, CORRECT? >> MOVE FOR APPROVAL. >> A MOTION TO CONTINUE THIS ITEM UNTIL AFTER PNC MEETS UNTIL OUR MEETING ON THE 10TH. I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. >> I HAVE A QUESTION. DO WE KNOW WHY PLANNING AND ZONING CONTINUED IT? WAS IT BECAUSE THE DEVELOPER CHANGED THE NEIGHBORHOOD? OR THE ROADS AND EXIT? >> AS I UNDERSTAND IT, THE DEVELOPER HEARD SOME CONCERNS FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND AT THE CAC MEETING, IT WAS APPROVED, BUT THEN SUBSEQUENTLY THEY HURT SOME ADDITIONAL CONCERNS, THEY WENT OUT AND SPOKE TO SOME NEIGHBORS, SO THEY ARE REDOING A PLAN TO ADDRESS SOME OF THOSE. >> OKAY. I GUESS I WILL BE WILLING TO LISTEN ON THE 10TH, BUT IT GETS ANNOYING WHEN, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC, THEY READ THE ADVERTISEMENTS, WHICH YOU NEED BINOCULARS TO READ, AND THEN, ESPECIALLY ON THAT ROAD. BECAUSE I HAVE HEARD, IN FACT, MY FRIEND GOT A SPEEDING TICKET ON THAT ROAD, SO I GUESS THAT THE TRAFFIC IS NOT THERE. BUT AT ANY RATE, IT WAS BAD BECAUSE THE FEDEX TRUCK DID NOT GET PULLED OVER, WHO WAS RIGHT ON HER TAIL. ANYWAY, BUT WHATEVER. BUT, SO, BUT, I AM WILLING TO LISTEN, BUT WE HAVE PEOPLE WHO TAKE TIME OUT OF THEIR SCHEDULES TO COME OUT AND SPEAK TO US, AND OF COURSE, I HAVE WRITTEN DOWN YOUR CONCERNS AND I WILL TAKE THAT INTO [03:20:02] CONSIDERATION IF YOU CANNOT MAKE IT HERE IN DECEMBER, BUT IT GETS ANNOYING WHEN THESE DEVELOPERS CONTINUE THINGS BECAUSE THEY THINK THEY WILL GET VOTED DOWN, INSTEAD OF ADJUSTING IT UP FRONT. >> THIS IS ALSO A PRODUCT OF THE NOTIFICATION REQUIREMENTS. SO, WE PUT OUT PUBLIC NOTICES, AND THEN PNZ, IF THEY CONTINUE IT. >> I WANT TO HEAR WHAT THEY HAVE TO SAY. BUT IT IS FRUSTRATING. >> I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. >> I WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK NOW, ON THE 10TH, I WILL NOT BE ALLOWED TO SPEAK. THIS PARTICULAR PIECE OF PROPERTY HAS BEEN BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION, PROBABLY THREE TIMES OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS. AND IN MY OFFICE, BY TELLING THOSE DEVELOPERS THAT I WAS NOT IN FAVOR OF THE PROJECT, I WAS ABLE TO TURN THEIR ATTENTIONS TO OTHER PROJECT. BECAUSE IT IS A PROBLEM. THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT, I THINK MERITAGE HOMES, THEY WERE IN MY OFFICE PROBABLY TWO OR THREE MONTHS AGO AND I TOLD THEM THE SAME THING. OBVIOUSLY, THEY THOUGHT THEY COULD STILL GET IT APPROVED AND THEY BROUGHT IT TO THE PROCESS FOR THE PLANNING AND ZONING TO LOOK AT. AND FOR THIS BOARD TO TAKE A LOOK AT. I'M GOING TO OBJECT THAT ANYTHING THAT COMES OUT OF THE CAC, THE CITIZENS ADVISORY COUNCIL BECAUSE, OR THE COMMITTEE, BECAUSE THEY ONLY HAVE TWO PEOPLE THERE. THAT IS NOT A QUORUM. SO, WHATEVER THEY RECOMMEND IT HAS TO BE STRIKE OUT, AS FAR AS WHAT I AM CONCERNED. THE FACTS, AND IN FACT, I THINK IF WE HAD A FULL SHOP THERE, I THINK THEY PROBABLY WOULD HAVE NOT RECOMMENDED IT. THAT IS JUST MY CONDUCT SURE. BUT KNOWING OTHER PEOPLE THAT ARE ON THE BOARD THAT DID NOT MAKE IT TO THAT PARTICULAR MEETING. SO, I AM AGAINST IT. I THINK IT IS INCONSISTENT WITH THE REST OF THE AREA. I THINK IT IS NOT COMPATIBLE. MOST OF THE AREA THERE, I THINK THE SMALLEST ARSENAL I SAW WAS ABOUT THREE QUARTERS OF AN ACRE. MOST OF THE HOMESITES THERE ARE AN ACRE OR MORE, IF YOU DRIVE DOWN HART ROAD, THERE ARE SOME BEAUTIFUL HOMES THERE ON LARGER SITES. THAT IS WHAT SHOULD BE CONTINUE TO BE GOING IN THERE. NOT TRYING TO STRESS THE AREA OUT BY PUTTING STUFF ON 40 FOOT FRONT, IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, SMALL, TEENY, TINY POSTED-STAMP SIZED PARCELS OR LOT. AND, OF COURSE, WE HAVE ISSUES WITH TRAFFIC COMING UP AND DOWN OLD HART ROAD. NOW I CAN TELL YOU THAT RICHARD SMITH IS IN THE BACK, WE YOU CAN TALK TO THEM AFTERWARDS. WE HAD PLANS FOR ADDING IN AN EXTRA TURN LANE THERE. AT THE END OF INDIAN RIVER AND LAKESHORE WEST. THERE WILL BE A TRAFFIC SIGNAL, AND THEY WILL GET STARTED ON THAT RELATIVELY SOON, RIGHT? NEXT WEEK. SO, THAT WILL GIVE YOU SOME HELP, AND THEN WE TALKED ABOUT REDESIGNING THAT INTERSECTION, THE 2:20 IN THAT AREA AS WELL. SO, THERE ARE OTHER THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING IN TERMS OF TRYING TO CONTROL THE TRAFFIC. BUT THE BIGGEST THING IS TO, JUST TO LET YOU KNOW, EVEN THOUGH IT WILL BE IN A DIFFERENT WAY, A DIFFERENT MANNER, I WILL FIGHT THAT DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE I DO NOT THINK THAT IS A DEVELOPMENT THAT WILL FIT THERE. THEY ALSO MAYBE HAVE SOME PROBLEMS, LIKE THE WESTERN PORTION OF THAT PARCEL, THERE IS WATER THERE. IT MAY EVEN BRING THREATS FOR FLOODING. IN MY WORD, I AM AGAINST IT. BUT IN THE RECORD DURING THIS TIME, -- MAKE SURE YOU ARE ORGANIZED TO GET AS MANY PEOPLE OUT TO TELL THE -- >> EMOTION AND A 2ND TO CONTINUE. ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? SEEING NONE, HEARING NONE, ALL IN FAVOR TO CONTINUE THIS ITEM TO DECEMBER 10TH, VOTE AYE. AND IT PASSES 5-0. [41.  Final Public Hearing to consider adoption of COMP 24-0022 and PUD 24-0007. (District 5, Comm. Burke) (D. Selig)] ITEM NUMBER 41 IS A FINAL PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER ADOPTION OF COM P24-0022 AND PUD 24-0007. >> YES, GOOD EVENING. SO, YOU CAN GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE IF YOU WOULD LIKE. THESE TWO APPLICATIONS WOULD CHANGE FUTURE LAND USE OF THE PROPERTY FROM RURAL RESIDENTIAL TO RURAL FRINGE. AND THE ZONING FOR AG AND AGRICULTURAL, THE PROPERTY IS ON SHEDD ROAD. IT IS ON THE EAST END OF WILLOW SPRINGS DRIVE. I WILL SHOW YOU ANY MINUTE. SO, THE AREA ON THE [03:25:01] LEFT, IT IS PARTIALLY IN YELLOW, YOU MAY RECOGNIZE IT. IT WAS BEFORE THE BOARD ABOUT A YEAR AGO. NEXT SLIDE, THANK YOU. NEXT, THE CURRENT DESIGNATION AND ON THE RIGHT IS THE PROPOSED CHANGE TO THE RURAL FRINGE. THIS IS THE CURRENT ZONING. THE DARKER GREEN ON THE TOP IS THE AJI RESIDENTIAL PITY LATER ON THE BOTTOM OF THE PARCEL IS AGRICULTURAL. OKAY. THE APPLICANT IS DESIRING TO CONSTRUCT SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENCE OF DIVISION OF 58 HOMES, THAT COMES WITH DENSITY OF 2.73 UNITS UNDER THE RURAL FRINGE DEFINITION. THERE IS A MINIMUM OF REQUIRED OPEN SPACE OF 10%. THIS PUD WOULD PROVIDE 18%. THERE IS ALSO A MINIMUM REQUIREMENT FOR RECREATION SPACE AT 4% OF THE 10%. THIS PUD WOULD PROVIDE A FULL 10% IN RECREATION. THERE IS A PERIMETER BUFFER THAT IS BEING PROPOSED. THE PUD ITSELF, THE REGULATIONS DO NOT REQUIRE BUFFERS. HOWEVER, APPLICANTS PROPOSING IT 20 FOOT BUFFER ON THE EAST AND WEST SIDES AND A -- ALONG THE WILLIAM WALKER LANE COMMUNITY, ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE PROPERTY. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE? IT IS ALSO PROPOSING ENHANCED LANDSCAPING INTERNALLY. STREET TREES AND TREE PLANTING ALONG A WALKING PATH THAT RUNS, YOU KNOW, LOOPS THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY. THE APPLICANT IS ALSO SUPPORTING THE CLOSURE OF SHEDD ROAD, A POTENTIAL CLOSURE ON THE EAST OF WILLOW SPRINGS DRIVE. THEY WOULD BE DOING SEVERAL THINGS, WHICH I WILL LET THE APPLICANT EXPLAIN FOR YOU IN MORE DETAIL, TO FURTHER THAT GOAL. THIS IS A LAYOUT OF THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT. THE WHITE SPACES IN THE MIDDLE, THE SUBDIVISION, AND THEN ON THE EAST, THE NORTH END, IT IS TO THE LEFT OF THE SCREEN. SO UP IS EAST. THE CITY BIG, WHITE SPACE THERE, THAT IS A STORMWATER POND. AND THERE IS ANOTHER ONE DOWN. IN THE BOTTOM LEFT CORNER. THE LITTLE CIRCLES ARE TREES, SO THERE WOULD BE STREET TREES THROUGHOUT THE CENTER, AND THEN WRAPPING AROUND THE GRAY HATCHED AREA, THAT IS ALL THE RECREATION SPACE AND THE TRAIL RUNS THROUGH IT THERE. THE CAC HEARD THIS ITEM. THEY VOTED 3-2 NOT TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE APPLICATIONS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSIONER, JUST ON NOVEMBER 10TH. THEY VOTED 7-02 NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL. SO I HAVE TO LOOK AT BOTH THE CRITERIA OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN CHANGE AND THE --. DOES RECOMMEND APPROVAL. IT DOES HAVE RECITATION THERE FOR YOU. >> THANK YOU. IS THE APPLICATION READY TO PRESENT? >> ALL, SUSAN FRAZIER, IN JACKSONVILLE. OH, I THINK I FORGOT HOW TO WORK THIS LAST TIME. THE MAPS THAT I'M HANDING OUT IS TO ASSIST IN SOME UNDERSTANDING OF THE LOCATION OF THE PROPERTY IN SOME IMPROVEMENTS WE WILL TALK ABOUT. I THINK EVERY TIME I HAVE SPOKEN, WE ARE POINTING AT MAPS AND THINK, TO THE LEFT, TO THE RIGHT, GO TO THAT LEASING OVER THERE. SO THESE MAPS GIVE A MORE UNIFORM GRAPHIC TO REFERENCE. SO, THE CDD HAS ASKED YOU TO CONSIDER -- USED TO THE LAND USE MAP. IT WOULD CHANGE THE LAND-USE ON THIS PROPERTY FROM RURAL RESIDENTIAL TO RURAL FRINGE. OKAY, GOT IT. ALL RIGHT. PART OF LAND USE IS THE CONTEXT OF WHERE THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED IN ADJACENT -- RELATION TO ADJACENT PROPERTIES. SO THIS IS A KIND OF ZOOMED OUT MAP. WE HAD THE MAP I HAD BEFORE, BUT WHEN YOU [03:30:01] ZOOM OUT, YOU START TO SEE THAT CLAY COUNTY, THE URBAN AREA, THE RURAL FRINGE AREA WHERE WATER AND SEWER IS AVAILABLE IN THE DEVELOPMENT IS OCCURRING, IS EXPANDING. IT IS EXPANDING FROM THE LAKE ASBURY MASTER PLAN AREA, WHICH ON THIS MAP IS TO THE NORTHWEST OF PETERS CREEK. AND THEN IF YOU LOOK AT THE SOUTHWEST OF PETERS CREEK, THE SOUTHEAST, SORRY, YOU ARE GOING TO SEE THE SARATOGA SPRINGS PROJECT THAT WAS RETITLED LAST YEAR. THERE IS A NEW ELEMENTARY SCHOOL ON 315. THEY ARE COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES UP AT THE 315 THEN. SO THIS PROPERTY IS MAINLY TO THE EAST OF THAT. SO, WE ARE STARTING TO SEE DEMAND FOR HOUSING TO CONTINUE OUTSIDE OF LAKE ASBURY. I HAVE SPOKEN TO MANY OF YOU ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT. AND ONE QUESTION I HAVE HEARD THE COMMISSION ASK AT OTHER HEARINGS IS, WHY DO YOU BRING, WHY DO DEVELOPERS BRING A PARTICULAR PIECE OF PROPERTY FOR US TO CONSIDER? YOU KNOW, WHY CAN'T YOU BE CLOSER? OR WHY CAN YOU NOT BE SO ON THE EDGE? WELL, SO, IF YOU HAVE BEEN IN CLAY COUNTY, THE -- AND THAT SINGLE OWNER DOES NOT SELL 100 ACRE PARCELS, THEY SO MUCH LARGER PROPERTIES FOR MASTER PLAN PROJECTS. THOSE LARGER COMMUNITIES INCLUDE CDD IMPROVEMENTS, THEY INCLUDE NICE WALKING TRAILS, CLUB HOUSES, THAT KIND OF COMMUNITY. AND SO WHEN YOU SEE IS PUPPIES A PROPERTY LIKE THIS COME TO YOU, BECAUSE NORMALLY THE HAND -- LANDOWNER HAS SOME KIND OF LIFE EVENT, SOMEONE HAS PASSED AWAY, SOMEONE NEEDS MONEY FOR COLLEGE, SOMEBODY IS MAKING A CHANGE IN THEIR LIFE. SO THAT PARTICULAR PIECE OF PROPERTY WITH THAT PARTICULAR BOUNDARY COMES ON THE MARKET TO PURCHASE. SO, WHEN YOU DO THE USE, AND I AM MAKING A GENERAL STATEMENT, THESE PROJECTS ARE BECAUSE OF WHAT IS AVAILABLE. SO, DEMAND IN THE MARKET PLACE FOR ADDITIONAL HOUSING, AGAIN, ALL DIFFERENT PRICE POINTS. WHEN YOU SEE A PARTICULAR PIECE, IT IS MOSTLY BECAUSE THE LANDOWNER, THE CURRENT LANDOWNER HAS THE PROPERTY ON THE MARKET. THIS PROPERTY IS OUTSIDE OF LAKE ASBURY. BUT IT IS IN AN AREA WHERE THE COUNTY IS MAKING SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENTS. THIS IS YOUR BOND AND GROW PROJECT MAP. AS YOU KNOW, I AM TELLING YOU THAT -- SANDRA IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION, THE RAILROAD TRACKS AT 211 IS CLOSED AND EVERYONE IS USING 315. YOU ARE BUILDING A $40 MILLION IMPROVEENT BETWEEN U.S. 17 AND THE IRISH BOY -- BELTWAY. ALL OF YOU COULD DO THIS HAPPENING IN YOUR SLEEP. IMMEDIATELY TO THE SOUTH OF THAT BONDED ROAD PROJECT, YOU CAN SEE THE LABEL FOR SHEDD ROAD. SHEDD ROAD HAS BEEN A HISTORIC FARM TO MARKET ROAD. IF YOU HAVE BEEN IN CLAY COUNTY AS LONG AS I HAVE, THE WEST SIDE OF 315 WERE GRAIN SILOS AND COWS, AND THIS WAS PROPERTY. SO, FARM TO MARKET IN CLAY COUNTY WAS ON THIS ROAD THAT CAME FROM 315 OVER TO 17. AND THAT IS WHAT SHEDD ROAD REMAINS. BUT THE COUNTY IS NOW MAKING AN INVESTMENT IN A TWO-LANE, FOUR-LANE, PAVED ROAD, STREET TREES, BIKE LANE, A PIECE OF INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WILL CARRY CARS FROM U.S. 17 TO THE BELTWAY. THAT INTERCEPTION ON THE AGE OF 15, IT IS HALF A MILE NORTH OF THE WILLOW SPRINGS SUBDIVISION. SO, IF YOU LOOK AT THE MAP I HANDED OUT, BECAUSE EVERYBODY'S MAP IS IN PIECES. IT IS A BIG PIECE OF PROPERTY. THE GREENLINE IS WILLOW SPRINGS DRIVE. THAT IS THE SUBDIVISION WE ARE TALKING ABOUT. 400 SOME ODD LOT OLD AND DEVELOPED OVER THE PAST COUPLE YEARS IN PHASES. THE PURPLE LINE GOES UP AND TO THE LEFT. IT IS -- IN ITS CURRENT ALIGNMENT. BUT THE DOUBLE DARK LINE IS YOUR REALIGNMENT. SO, THAT IS WHAT IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION TODAY. LEGAL AND 3:15, YOU SEE ALL THE CONSTRUCTION THAT IS ONGOING. THAT CORNER AT 3:15 WILL BE -- INTERCEPTION. THE MAJOR COLLECTIVE FOR CLAY COUNTY TO MOVE TRAFFIC. SO THE DISTANCE BETWEEN WILLOW SPRINGS DRIVE AND THAT INTERSECTION IS ABOUT HALF A MILE. THE PROPERTY WE ARE TALKING ABOUT TODAY, BECAUSE THEY HAD A LOT OF PEOPLE, LIKE, WHERE IS THIS PROPERTY? IT IS IMMEDIATELY SOUTH OF WILLOW SPRINGS. IT IS THE AREA WITH THE BLACK HATCH MARKS. JUST FOR ORIENTATION, WHEN YOU DRIVE ON 3:15 AND YOU [03:35:01] GO TO WILLOW SPRINGS DRIVE AND GO TO THE EAST, YOU ARE DRIVING ON A PAVED ROAD BUT THE DEVELOPER, YOU COME TO IS CUL-DE-SAC, THE PAVEMENT CONTINUES TO THE END OF WILLOW SPRINGS SUBDIVISION. ANY COME OF THE END OF THE PAVEMENT ONTO THE DIRT ROAD. THE DIRT ROAD, SHEDD ROAD. DIRT ROAD SHEDD ROAD IS MAINTAINED BY CLAY COUNTY AND HAS BEEN MAINTAINED FOR MANY, MANY YEARS. THE COUNTY HAS MAINTAINED A 20 FOOT WIDE DIRT ROAD. SO, YOU ON THAT. CLAY COUNTY OWNS THAT 20 FEET. NO MORE, NO LESS. WHEREVER THE MOTOR GRADER STOPS. >> I JUST PAUSED HERE BECAUSE A LOT OF THE CONVERSATION WE ARE HAVING NOW WITH THIS ORIENTATION, I THINK IT WILL BE REALLY HELP FULL FOR US TO DISCUSS WHERE WE ARE GOING. THE LAND-USE AMENDMENT IS SEEKING A CHANGE TO RURAL FRINGE. CLAY COUNTY HAS A POINTS SYSTEM AND COMPREHEND THE PLAN THAT SAYS, WE WANT DEVELOPMENT TO GO WHERE THE INFRASTRUCTURE IS. AND IT SAYS, IF YOU WILL BE ON A RURAL FRINGE OR RURAL RESIDENTIAL OR IN URBAN FRINGE LAND-USE CATEGORY, YOU HAVE TO BE CLOSE TO THESE THINGS. YOU HAVE TO GET A CERTAIN NUMBER OF POINTS IN ORDER TO BUILD AT THE DENSITIES THAT ARE ALLOWED. SO, IN RURAL FRINGE, THAT DENSITY, THAT POINT REQUIREMENT IS 80 POINTS. THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED SO THAT IT IS NEAR FIRE, EMS, ACCESS TO A COLLECTED ROAD, WATER, SEWER, ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE SCHOOL. WHEN THE COUNTY BUILDS THE NEW FIRE STATION AT CATHEDRAL PARKWAY AND 3:15, IT WILL BE ANOTHER 20 POINTS FOR THAT. SO, 85 TO 105. THE MINIMUM IS 80. SO, THE COUNTY IN ITS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SAYS, IF YOU WILL START TO BUILD HOUSING, SUBURBAN DEVELOPMENT HOUSING, YOU HAVE TO PASS THIS TEST. YOU DO NOT PASS THIS TEST, YOU CAN HAVE -- INFRINGE, YOU CAN ONLY HAVE ONE. SO, THIS PROPERTY MEETS THE TEST FOR HOW THE COUNTY RANKS. WHETHER YOU SHOULD EVEN BE ALLOWED TO CONSIDER PUTTING DEVELOPMENT IN CERTAIN LOCATIONS. SO, I THINK WE SHOWED YOU THIS MAP, WHICH SHOWS YOU THE PROPERTY IF IT IS APPROVED, SO YOU CAN SEE THAT TO OUR WEST IS RURAL FRINGE, TO THE SOUTH IS THE CITY OF GREEN CLOVE SPRINGS. THAT IS MAGNOLIA WEST, MAGNOLIA GOLF AND COUNTRY CLUB, LOT SIZES ARE THE SAME AS THIS, IT IS ALL SUBURBAN DEVELOPMENT. SO EVERYTHING TO THE NORTH INTO THE WEST, AND TO THE SOUTH IS SUBURBAN DEVELOPMENT. IMMEDIATELY TO OUR WEST IS THE YELLOW PARCEL. YOU WILL HEAR US TALK ABOUT THE WILLIAM WALKER LANE COMMUNITY. BECAUSE THEY ARE ABOUT 14 OR 15 WATTS IN THAT AREA THAT ARE LARGER LOTS THAT HAVE BEEN HISTORICALLY IN THIS JURISDICTION. AGAIN, THIS IS WHAT THE MAP WOULD LOOK LIKE IF YOU WERE TO APPROVE THE REQUEST FOR FRINGE. THE DEVIL IS ALWAYS IN THE DETAILS. AND THE DETAILS ARE, IF YOU GET THIS LAND-USE CHANGE, WHAT WILL YOU DO WITH THE PROPERTY? SO, IT IS JUST OVER 21 ACRES. THIS PROJECT CAME TO YOU LAST JANUARY, JANUARY 2024, ACTUALLY, THIS JANUARY. IT STARTED WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION THE YEAR BEFORE AND IT CAME FOR FINAL ACTION. THIS PROJECT WAS WITHDRAWN BY THE APPLICANT AT THAT POINT. AND THE REASON WE ARE HERE IS BECAUSE THAT APPLICANT BORROWED MONEY TO TAKE YOU THROUGH THE PROCESS AND BY THE PROPERTY. AND IN THE FAILURE FOR THIS PROJECT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH AN APPROVAL, THEY DEFAULTED ON THEIR LOAN. AND SO THE CURRENT OWNERS TOOK THIS PROPERTY BACK IN FORECLOSURE IN JULY OF THIS YEAR, JUST A COUPLE MONTHS AGO. SO THE APPLICANTS TODAY ARE THE PEOPLE WHO PROVIDED THE LOAN TO THE APPLICANT THAT YOU CONSIDERED IN JANUARY. SO, THEY CONTACTED ME AND THEY SAID, DO YOU SEE ANYTHING THAT MIGHT BE A CHANGE IN THE PLAN OF THE COUNTY HAS CONSIDERED? AND DID NOT FIND IT TO BE A SUCCESSFUL APPLICATION THAT MIGHT CHANGE THE OPINION OF THE COUNTY. IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE WE COULD OFFER OR DO TO MAKE THIS BETTER? AND SO THE, THERE ARE SOME CHANGES THAT WERE MADE. THIS IS AN OVERVIEW OF WHERE WE ARE LOCATED. AND I HAVE TO SAY MY MATH IS ONLY AS GOOD AS THIS TO HELP YOU FIGURE OUT WHERE WE ARE. SO, WE DID MAKE SIGNIFICANT, WE MADE CHANGES TO THE PUD SITE PLAN. THE PUD SITE PLAN YOU SAW IN DOHERTY'S PRESENTATION, BUT THE NUMBER OF LOTS HAVE BEEN REDUCED. WHILE IT IS NOT A LARGE NUMBER, THERE WERE CHANGES TO THE DESIGN OF THE LOTS THAT I THINK WILL CHANGE THE WAY PEOPLE FEEL ABOUT THIS DEVELOPMENT. SO, THE LOT WITH WENT FROM FIVE LOTS , IT IS 50 FEET. WHAT YOU SAW WERE 62 LOTS AT 52 FEET WIDE BACK IN JANUARY. WE HAVE TAKEN ALL OF THE BALANCE OF THE LOTS AND MADE THEM 55 OR GREATER. 55 [03:40:01] FEET WIDE OR GREATER. AND 34% OF THOSE ARE ACTUALLY 60 FEET WIDE OR GREATER. SO, 55 FEET. WHAT DOES THAT ACTUALLY MEAN? RIGHT NOW WHAT YOU SEE IN CLAY COUNTY OUR SIDE YARDS THAT ARE FIVE FEET WIDE, COMBINED 10 FEET OR SO YOU HAVE A TWO-STORY HOUSE WITH 10 FEET BETWEEN THE HOUSE. AND THEN YOU DRIVE, IF YOU DO NOT LOOK QUICKLY, THEY ALL LOOK LIKE ONE BIG TOWNHOUSE. BY ADDING FIVE FEET AND MORE TO THE LOT , IN OUR PUD, WE ARE PROPOSING MINIMUM SIDE YARDS OF 7 1/2 FEET. IF YOU ARE IN CLAY COUNTY FROM 20 YEARS AGO, THAT WAS A REQUIREMENT. IT USED TO HAVE A MINIMUM 15 FEET BETWEEN THE HOUSES. SO THAT SPREADS THE HOUSES OUT A LITTLE BIT MORE. THE COUNTY IS MOVING TO THE GARAGE SETBACKS THAT ARE NOT 20 FEET BUT 25 FEET FOR ALL THOSE PEOPLE WHO LIKE THE TRUCKS WITH THE TRAILER HITCHES ON THE BACK, SO NOW YOU CAN PARK IN YOUR DRIVEWAY AND STILL HAVE A SIDEWALK THAT IS PRETTY FUNCTIONAL. AS DOHERTY INDICATED, WE HAD PERIMETER BUFFERS. THEY ARE 20 FEET TO OUR EAST AND SOUTH, AND 30 FEET TO THE WILLIAM WALKER LANE COMMUNITY. WHY DOES THAT MATTER? PERIMETER BUFFERS ARE NOT REQUIRED IN CLAY COUNTY WHEN YOU ARE HOUSES TO HOUSES. IF YOU ARE WALMART TO A HOUSE, THERE IS A BUFFER REQUIRED. BUT IF YOU JUST HAVE SUBDIVISION AFTER SUBDIVISION, THE COUNTY REQUIRES A BUFFER THAT IS CALLED A PLATING BUFFER. ALL THAT MEANS IS THAT YOU HAVE TO PLANT A TREE IN THE BACKYARD OF THOSE HOUSES. YOU PLANT A TREE, AS YOU KNOW, FOR THE STATUTE SAYS THE OWNER CAN TAKE THAT TREE DOWN WHENEVER THEY LIKE, BUT THAT IS THE BUFFER THAT IS REQUIRED. BY PUTTING IN A 20 FOOT BUFFER AND A 30 FOOT BUFFER OWNED BY THE A, THOSE TREES CANNOT BE REMOVED , AND THEY ARE AN AREA MAINTAINED BY THE AGE AWAY. YOU WILL NOT HAVE A WHITE FENCE WITH THE BACK OF SOMEONE'S YARD AGAINST OUR ADJACENT PROPERTIES. YOU WILL HAVE A 30 FOOT BUFFER. A 30 FOOT BUFFER IS THREE TRAVEL LANES WHEN YOU ARE DRIVING ON UNIT 17. 30 FEET IS -- SO THAT IS A LITTLE BIT OVER AN ACRE THAT IS AVAILABLE AND OPEN SPACE. SO, AGAIN, THE PLAN ACCOMMODATES STORMWATER, IT HAS THE BUFFERS THAT YOU SEE THAT GO AROUND THE PROPERTY IN THEIR ENTIRETY. THE OPEN SPACE HAS TRAILS, PAVILIONS, AND THE PRESIDENT ACTUALLY THE NEIGHBORS IN OUR AREA. THE THINGS THAT WE DID FIND THAT WERE QUITE DIFFERENT, WHEN WE CAME TO THE COUNTY AND SAID, WE THINK WE SEE SOME THINGS THAT MIGHT MAKE THIS A BETTER PROJECT, AND BEFORE WE COULD SAY MUCH, THE COUNTY STAFF SAID, OH, WE HAVE OUR OWN PLAN. WE WANT TO CLOSE SHED ROAD. AND WE SAID, WELL, THAT IS A WONDERFUL IDEA. THAT CAN ONLY BE YOUR IDEA. BUT HOW DO WE PLAY INTO THE COUNTY CONSIDERING CLOSING SHED ROAD? RIGHT NOW, WILLOW SPRINGS SUBDIVISION HAS A SECOND MEANS OF ACCESS. AND ALL OF YOU KNOW WHAT THAT IS. WE WENT THROUGH THIS A MONTH AGO. FOR FIRE ACCESS. THEY USE SHED ROAD. AND SO THE COUNTY CANNOT CLOSE SHED LOADS TODAY BECAUSE IF SOMEBODY HAD A HEART ATTACK THERE IS A WRECK AT THE ENTRANCE TO WILLOW SPRINGS, THAT IS HOW THE FIRE AND EMS WILL GET INTO WILLOW SPRINGS. BUT THE COUNTY HAD LOOKED AT IT, AND WE HAD LOOKED AT FURTHER THE OPTION OF ACTUALLY BUILDING A SECOND MEANS OF ACCESS FOR WILLOW SPRINGS. IT IS A PLAN THAT WE SUBMITTED, AND WE ACKNOWLEDGE TO THAT OPPORTUNITY. I CAN SHOW YOU THE PLATS, I HAVE THE DRAWINGS IN HERE. THIS IS HELPFUL BECAUSE IT IS ONE PICTURE. WILLOW SPRINGS SUBDIVISION HAS A LOT IN PLACE AND IT GOES TO THE NORTH. AT THE END OF IT, THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR CONNECTION TO 315. AND A LOT IN PLACE GOES TO THE SOUTH, AND TO THE SOUTH, THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR CONNECTION TO 315. AND SO IN THE VERY DETAILED WEEDS OF OUR PUD, WE TALK ABOUT HOW WE CAN PROVIDE THAT. YOU CANNOT MAKE THOSE IMPROVEMENTS BECAUSE IT IS ON PRIVATE LAND. SO YOU CANNOT SPEND PUBLIC MONEY ON PRIVATE LAND. UNLESS THESE IMPROVEMENTS ARE MADE, YOU CANNOT CONSIDER CLOSING SHED ROAD. ONE OTHER THING THAT WAS NOT VERY CLEAR FROM THE PREVIOUS APPLICATION AND BECAME MUCH MORE CLEAR AS WE TALKED ABOUT IT ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION LAST MONTH OR EARLIER THIS MONTH, WE HAVE TO ACTUALLY PAY SHED ROAD DOWN TO THE ENTRANCE OF THE PROJECT. SO, WILLOW SPRINGS DRIVE , SHED ROAD CONTINUES EAST, POPS OUT BETWEEN CARTER, SO IT IS A DIRT ROAD IN BETWEEN. SHED ROAD, THAT I AM SHOWING ON THE LARGER DRAWING, IS PLATTED. IN WILLOW SPRINGS. AND IT GOES SOUTH OF WILLOW SPRINGS DRIVE, AND GOES DUE WEST, IN FRONT OF WHERE THIS PROPERTY IS. SO, THE SECOND DRAWINGS THAT ARE IN THE [03:45:02] PACKET I GAVE YOU. THIS 60 FOOT RIGHT-OF-WAY BELONGS TO CLAY COUNTY TODAY. THE COUNTY OWNS THIS RIGHT-OF-WAY. THE COUNTY REMAINS A DIRT ROAD , SHED ROAD, SOUTH OF WILLOW SPRINGS DRIVE AND OVER IN FRONT OF THE COMMUNITY IN FRONT OF THERE TODAY. IF YOU APPROVE THE PUD WE ARE PROPOSING, AND OBLIGATION IS TO ACTUALLY PAVE THAT ROAD, SIDEWALK, TREES, AND MAKE THAT MORE ACCESSIBLE FOR FIRE FOR US AND FOR THE WILLIAM WALKER COMMUNITY. WE WILL BRING WATER AND SEWER DOWN THIS ROAD, WHICH WILL BRING WATER AND SEWER CLOSER TO THE WILLIAM WALKER COMMUNITY. THEY HAVE LARGE LOTS AND THEY ARE NOT REQUIRED TO CONNECT TO SEWER, BUT IT WILL BRING A FIRE HYDRANT MUCH CLOSER TO THEIR DOOR, WHICH WILL INCREASE THEIR FIRE PROTECTION A GREAT DEAL. SO, THE SECOND MEANS OF ACCESS IMPROVEMENT MEANS WE TALKED TO CLAY COUNTY UTILITY AUTHORITY. THEY ACTUALLY ON THE PIECE OF THE ROAD AT THE END OF LAWTON LANE. THERE WE GO. IT IS THIS. SO IN THESE TWO PLATS, PASTRY AND PHASE TWO, WHEN YOU COME TO THE END OF LAWTON LANE, THE TEXT IS REALLY SMALL, THE CC OWNS A TRACK THAT IS CONNECTED TO AN A TRACK ON THE SOUTH LOCATION , THE COUNTY HAS A PLATTED ACCESS EASEMENT. SO, RIGHT NOW, THERE COULD BE A FIRE ACCESS ROAD BUILT FROM THE END OF LAWTON LANE TO THE WHITE FENCE AND OUT TO 315. THERE IS A LOT OF CONFUSION BY THE A AND THE MEMBERS THAT LIVED IN WILLOW SPRINGS THEMSELVES. THIS IMPROVEMENT, IF IT IS MADE, WOULD NOT BE A ROAD, IT WOULD NOT BE A NEW ENTRANCE THAT SAYS WILLOW SPRINGS ON IT. IT WOULD BE 20 FEET OF PAVEMENT. THE WHITE FENCE WOULD COME UP TO THAT 20 FEET OF PAVEMENT, AND THERE WOULD BE A GAIT OVER THAT OPENING. AND THE ONLY PEOPLE THAT COULD OPEN THE GATE WOULD BE FIRE AND EMS. SO, IT WOULD NOT INTRODUCE ANY CARS OR ANY TRAFFIC, IT WOULD BE THE SECOND EMERGENCY ACCESS. WHICH, FINGERS CROSSED, ONCE EVERY FOUR YEARS, A FIRE TRUCK NEEDS TO COME THROUGH THERE, BUT MAYBE NEVER. BY LAW IN THE FIRE CODE, THE FLORIDA FIRE CODE, YOU HAVE TO HAVE THAT WHEN YOU HAVE OVER 100 UNITS. SO, THIS IS A REQUIREMENT, BUT IT IS NOT A ROAD. IT IS NOT A ROAD THAT WILL INTRODUCE TRAFFIC TO THESE CUL-DE-SACS OR INCREASE MOVEMENT IN WILLOW SPRINGS. SO, THIS IS THE SOUTH LOCATION, AND THIS IS THE NORTH LOCATION. >> SORRY, CAN I INTERRUPT? WE HAVE ALREADY HEARD THIS. I MEAN , APPLICANTS, SHE HAS BEEN 20 MINUTES. I MEAN, CAN WE HURRY THIS UP? THIS IS THE SAME EXACT THING WE HEARD BEFORE. YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY ELSE DOES NOT GET TO SPEAK THIS LONG. I MEAN, 20 MINUTES IS A LONG TIME. AND I KNOW STAFF ASKED YOU TO BE BRIEF. CAN WE HURRY THIS UP? IT IS REALLY THE SAME THING PRETTY MUCH. >> I WILL SPEED IT UP. >> THANK YOU. >> ANOTHER OBLIGATION IS TO PARTICIPATE IN THE MSBU. WE HAVE HEARD A LOT ABOUT MSBUS TONIGHT. AND SO WILLOW SPRINGS RIGHT NOW, THE SUBDIVISION, THE 400 LOTS PAYS FOR THE MAINTENANCE OF WILLOW SPRINGS DRIVE. BUT ALL THE THREE TRAFFIC BETWEEN 17 AND 315 IS DRIVING ON WILLOW SPRINGS DRIVE. IN THAT SUBDIVISION IS PAYING FOR THE ROAD MAINTENANCE ON THAT PORTION OF THE ROAD. AND OBLIGATION WOULD BE FOR US TO ACTUALLY PARTICIPATE IN THAT MSBU AND ASSIST IN THAT MAINTENANCE FOR THAT ROAD. WE ALSO HAVE CONDITIONED THIS ON MR. SMITH'S RECOMMENDATION THAT WE COULD NOT GET A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY IN THE SUBDIVISION UNTIL THE -- WAS OPEN. WHEN YOU LOOK AT YOUR BONDED ROAD, BECAUSE I MEAN, THAT IS THE ULTIMATE ROUTE. PEOPLE COMING OUT OF LISTINGS WILL GO NORTH ON 315 AND THEN THEY CAN GO EAST OR WEST TO 17 OR TO THE EXPRESSWAY. AND SO WE HAVE A CONDITION FOR THE PUD, IF YOU WOULD CONSIDER APPROVAL OF THIS, WE ARE SEEKING CLARIFICATION THAT IT IS A DATE, THAT IS APRIL 30TH, 2026. AND SO CANNOT REALLY TONIGHT, EVERYTHING I HAVE SAID I CAN DO, YOU WILL OF IN FORCE IN A [03:50:01] PUD. IF IT IS APPROVED, I WILL BE ASKED TO MAKE ALL THESE IMPROVEMENTS. BUT YOU ULTIMATELY MUST DECIDE THAT CLOSING SHED ROAD IS WHAT YOU WANT TO DO AS A COUNTY. AND WE ARE HERE TO SUPPORT THAT BECAUSE THE STAFF HAD INDICATED THAT WAS THE DIRECTION THAT THEY WANTED TO GIVE YOU THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT. THE LAST EXHIBIT I HAVE IS THE ONE THAT I HANDED OUT, AND IT IS ON THE AERIAL SCREEN. IF YOU CHOOSE TO CLOSE SHED ROAD, IF YOU LOOK AT THE BOTTOM OF THE PAGE, IT GIVES YOU THE LIMITS OF WHAT THAT ACTION LOOKS LIKE. SO, WILLOW SPRINGS ROAD IS FROM 315 WITHIN THE SUBDIVISION, AGAIN, OUR PROPERTY HAS THE BLACK DASH AROUND IT. THERE IS A POTENTIAL FOR YOU TO CONSIDER CLOSING SHED ROAD FOR ABOUT 2400 FEET UNTIL YOU GET TO WHAT I CALL SHED ROAD EAST, THE COMMUNITY THAT IS BEHIND GARBER. THE COUNTY CURRENTLY MAINTAINS A LITTLE OVER A MILE OF SHED ROAD DIRT ROAD TODAY. IF YOU MAKE THAT DECISION TO CLOSE SHED ROAD, THE COMMUNITY ON SHED ROAD EAST HAS THEIR SECOND POINT OF ACCESS ON WALL ROAD AND RIVER ROAD. AND SO IF YOU LOOK, THE YELLOW YOU SEE ON THIS MAP IS, THE GIS MAPS SHOW YOU THE COUNTY MAINTAINED ROADS. SO FOR EVERYBODY WHO LIVES BEHIND GARBER, THEY WOULD HAVE ACCESS OUT TO 17 . AND AS A SECOND POINT OF ACCESS NORTH ON WALL ROAD AND OUT TO RIVER ROAD, WHICH TAKES IT TO COUNTY ROAD 315. SO THERE ARE THREE POINTS OF ACCESS MAINTAINED FOR THAT COMMUNITY. WE WOULD BE OBLIGATED TO BUILD A SECOND POINT OF ACCESS OUT ONTO 315. AND SO, REALLY, WE ARE HERE TO SAY THAT WE TALKED WITH STAFF, WE UNDERSTOOD THAT THERE WERE GOALS THAT WE COULD SUPPORT ON THE COUNTY CONSIDERING, AND THAT WE HAVE PROVIDED A PLAN THAT WE BELIEVE FULFILLS THE GOALS THAT WE UNDERSTOOD. MR. BERGER IS ONE OF THE OWNERS THAT HAVE TAKEN OVER THE PROPERTY. HE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE ONE MOMENT TO SPEAK TO YOU AS WELL AND INTRODUCE HIMSELF. AND THEN WE ARE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE. THANK YOU. >> GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS JEFF BERGER. MY PARTNER, TOM ROTH, IS HERE. WE ARE A SMALL FINANCE COMPANY THAT ACQUIRED THE SUBJECT PROPERTY THROUGH FORECLOSURE PROCEEDINGS. WE ARE NEITHER DEVELOPERS NOR BUILDERS. WE ARE NOT LOOKING FOR EVERY PENNY OUT OF THE PROPERTY, BUT MERELY TO COVER OUR COSTS. WE REACHED OUT TO SUSAN A FEW MONTHS AGO SEEKING INSIGHT INTO POSSIBLE CHANGES TO THE PLAN THAT WAS WITH -- WITHDRAWN IN JANUARY THAT THE COUNTY WOULD SUPPORT. AFTER DISCUSSING THE PREVIOUS OPPORTUNITIES SURROUNDING THE SUBJECT PROPERTY, IT WAS SUGGESTED TO US BY THE COUNTY AND STAFF THAT WOULD SUPPORT MODIFICATIONS TO THE PLAN FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE COUNTY AND SURROUNDING PROPERTY OWNERS SUPPORTING ITS EFFORTS TO CLOSE SHED ROAD. THAT IS THE ONLY REASON WE WENT DOWN THIS ROAD. WE COORDINATED WITH SENIOR STAFF IN THE CLAY COUNTY UTILITY, WHICH WOULD ADDRESS THE THROUGH TRAFFIC AND FLOODING ISSUES IDENTIFIED BY THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES IN THE COUNTY IS CRITICAL. IF THE COUNTY DOES NOT SUPPORT ITS STAFF RECOMMENDATION TO CLOSE SHED ROAD, DEVELOPMENT OF THE PROPERTY WILL TAKE A DIFFERENT PATH FORWARD. THE CURRENT ZONING IS AGRICULTURE RESIDENTIAL AND AGRICULTURE. WE HAVE EXPLORED THE POTENTIAL USES THAT COULD OCCUR ON THE PROPERTY WITHOUT A LAND USE OR ZONING CHANGE . PRACTICALLY FIVE ACRES OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY ZONED TO ALLOW FOR ALTERNATIVE USES UNDER ITS AGRICULTURAL ZONING, SUCH AS A DOG KENNELS, AND BREAKFAST, THE PHONE TOWERS, ET CETERA. THE BOND ALLOWED FOR RESIDENTIAL USES ALLOW FOR 14 HOMES. UNDER THIS ALTERNATIVE DEVELOP IT, THERE IS NO IMPROVEMENT FOR AN ADDITIONAL INGRESS OR EGRESS FOR THE WELFARE OF ITS CITIZENS, FIRE HYDRANTS FOR THE WELFARE OF OUR NEIGHBORS, SIDEWALKS FOR THE ENJOYMENT OF ALL, AND CLOSING OF SHED ROAD TO ALLEVIATE TRAFFIC AND ADDRESS FLOODING AND SURROUNDING LAND. I BELIEVE THE PROPOSED PUD IN FRONT OF YOU TODAY IS BETTER FOR CLAY COUNTY AND ITS CITIZENS THAN THE ALTERNATIVE PERMITTED USES AVAILABLE FOR THIS PROPERTY THAT ARE CONSIDERED COMPATIBLE WITH VERBAL USES AREAS AND WOULD GENERATE DAILY TRAFFIC NOISE, AND ON TRAFFIC -- UNPLEASANT VIEWS. WE BELIEVE THE SURROUNDING LAND VALUES WOULD BE ENHANCED WITH THE ADDITIONAL 58 RESIDENCES, COMPARED TO THE ALTERNATIVE USE OPTIONS AVAILABLE TO US AS THE PROPERTY OWNER. THIS IS AN INVESTMENT IN INFRASTRUCTURE THAT BENEFITS THE SURROUNDING RESIDENCES. ONE DAY, THEY OR THEIR HEIRS WILL BE IN A POSITION TO SELL, AS WAS THE POSITION THAT THE PREVIOUS OWNER OF THE PROPERTY FOUND THEMSELVES IN. WHEN THIS OCCURS, THE INFRA STRUCTURE INVESTMENTS TO THE PROJECT WILL INCREASE THE RETURN BECAUSE THEY WILL SELL, THEY WILL SELL ATTEMPTING TO GAIN THEIR GREATEST FINANCIAL REWARD. IN OUR CASE, THAT IS NOT TRUE. IF [03:55:10] WE WERE LOOKING FOR THE GREATEST FINANCIAL REWARD, WE WOULD NOT HAVE OFFERED UP A SIGNIFICANT FINANCIAL CONTRIBUTION BACK TO THE COUNTY. WE ARE MERELY LOOKING TO RECOUP OUR INVESTMENT AND ALLEVIATE THE BOUNCE BACK FOR OTHERS TO BENEFIT. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? WE HAVE SEVERAL REQUESTS TO SPEAK IN PUBLIC COMMENT. SO I WILL OPEN UP PUBLIC COMMENT FOR A PORTION OF THIS HEARING. RYAN MARQUISE. I BUTCHERED THAT, PROBABLY. >> COMMISSIONERS, HOW IS IT GOING? MY NAME IS RYAN MARQUISE. I AM THE CHAIRMAN OF THE BRINGS CAC. OUR -- IT WAS A THREE-TIER LIKE WE SAW. I -- THE 1675 SHED ROAD. ADDITIONALLY, MEMBERS DESCENDED AT THE SPRINGS COMMITTEE MEETING. THEY RESCINDED THEIR WORDS AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION BECAUSE OF THE DISCREPANCY ON THE SHED ROAD CLOSING. MS. REEVES HERE, IF SHE WANTS TO DISCUSS THAT, SHE CAN WHEN SHE COMES UP HERE SOME OF THE REASONS FOR VOTING THIS WAY, THE FLOODED STUDY THAT STILL HAS NOT RETURNED YET, THE TRAFFIC CONGESTION ON RURAL SPRINGS, ALSO, THEY ARE TAKING THE WORK OF THE PREVIOUS DEVELOPERS , ENGINEERS WITHOUT DOING THEIR OWN DUE DILIGENCE, OR HIRING THEIR OWN CONTRACTORS, BUILDERS, PLANNERS, OR ENGINEERS AT THE TIME OF THE CAC MEETING. HOW CAN WE TRUST WHAT THEY ARE SAYING IF THEY HAVE ONLY GONE ON HEARSAY? I MEAN, THEY WANT YOU TO ESSENTIALLY SAY YES TO SOMEONE ELSE'S WORK. SO, AGAIN, REZONING THIS PROPERTY WOULD ONLY TAKE AWAY OUR REAL COUNTRY ATMOSPHERE THAT SHED ROAD HAS ALWAYS BEEN KNOWN FOR. BUT IT COULD ALSO DISPLACE MEMBERS OF THE RURAL COMMUNITY FROM OUR, FROM ONE ANOTHER, IF THE ROAD IS LOCKED. IT SEEMS UNFAIR TO THE MEMBERS OF OUR COMMUNITY WHICH HAVE HAD TO DEAL WITH THIS YEAR AFTER YEAR BECAUSE OF THE TOLL ROAD , WHICH WAS BUILT. JUST BECAUSE INFRASTRUCTURE WAS BUILT TO MAKE LIFE EASIER DOES NOT MEAN THAT WE HAVE TO, THAT IT HAS TO BE RUINED FOR THE REST OF US IN THIS COMMUNITY, ON THE SURROUNDING ROAD. I THINK THIS IS HAPPENING HERE. JUST AS MS. FRAZIER HAS EXPLAINED. YOU SEE NEW INFRASTRUCTURE AND PEOPLE ARE, LIKE, OH, LET'S GO AHEAD AND BUILD SOMETHING COOL AND NEW. IT REALLY DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY. SOMETIMES THINGS JUST NEED TO BE LEFT ALONE. BY ALLOWING THE SUBDIVISION TO PROCEED, YOU ARE CLOSING SHED ROAD, YOU ARE ESSENTIALLY DIVIDING US, THE COMMUNITY THAT HAS BEEN THERE FOR OVER SIX DECADES, IN THE WAY OF LIFE THAT WE HAVE BECOME ACCUSTOMED TO. LEAVE THE AREAS WITH THEIR CURRENT ZONING. THANK YOU. KATIE MARQUISE? >> I AM NOT A PUBLIC SPEAKER SO THIS IS HARD FOR ME TO DO, TWO OF YOU PROBABLY CAME OUT TO THE HOUSE. AND IT'S NOT GOING TO MAKE IT ANY BETTER. YOU HAVE TO GET OUT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO GET TO THE FOUR-LINE. THEY BROUGHT IT THERE FOR A REASON, REDUCE TRAFFIC, SAFETY FOR THEIR KIDS, AND ENHANCE NEIGHBORHOOD COMMUNITY AND IT MAY NEVER BE USED BUT STILL DO THINK THEY SHOULD HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT AN AMBULANCE COMING THROUGH THEIR I JUST FEEL LIKE IT'S DIFFICULT IN THE CUL-DE-SAC TO PUT A GATE THERE. IT IS NOT NEEDED IN THIS AREA [04:00:01] IF THEY CHOOSE TO BLOCK SHED ROAD, THE FIRE CHIEF MARK SAID THAT IT IS NOT RECOMMENDED FOR CLOSING. IT WILL DECREASE THE W PEOPLE ARE TIRED OF TRAFFIC OR SPEEDING. IF THIS IS THE CASE ABOUT EVERY ROAD WOULD BE CLOSED. IF THIS IS CLEARED, PEOPLE I THINK WOULD HAVE MORE REQUEST TO HAVE THEIR ROAD CLOSED AS WELL. THIS REZONING IS IN THE WRONG LOCATION. YOU TAKE A STEP BACK IN TIME. AND THAT IS WHY WE LOVE LIVING THERE. IT IS A TRUE ORIGINAL CLAY COUNTY. THANK YOU. >> DAVID, I CAN'T READ YOUR WRITING, POWELL? WHAT DOES THAT SAY? >> DAVID, ANYBODY, DAVID WANT TO COME UP? >> HE OPPOSES HE YIELD HIS TIME, THANK YOU. >> I APOLOGIZE THAT I COULDN'T PRONOUNCE FOR HIM. >> I'M LIKE HER, I DON'T DO PUBLIC SPEAKING AT ALL, BEAR WITH ME. I UNDERSTAND WHAT SHE IS SAYING ABOUT CLOSING SHED ROAD, I HAVE SIX GRANDKIDS NOW AND I USED TO TAKE WALKS AS DR. BURKE KNOWS I HAVE PAIN SYNDROME I HAVE TO BE ABLE TO WALK I HAVE BEEN ALMOST HIT FIVE TIMES WALKING ON SHED ROAD BECAUSE THE PEOPLE FLY, HAD A NEIGHBOR THE OTHER DAY SAY HE WAS WALKING HIS DOGS AND HE CLOCKS SOMEONE DOING 50 MILES AN HOUR. WE HAVE SEEN PEOPLE PULLED OUT OF TREES BECAUSE THEY FLY UP AND DOWN THE ROAD. HERE TODAY I WAS ALMOST FRONT ENDED UP DRIVING HERE BECAUSE THERE WAS A TRUCK, AND MAN DRIVING DOWN THE CENTER OF THE ROAD, DRIVING DOWN THE CENTER AND I AM TURNING UP. I WAS ALMOST HIT THE OTHER DAY DRIVING HOME TURNING ON WALL ROAD HAD MY BLINKER ON. I'M GOING TO WILLOW SPRINGS, THEY DIDN'T WANT TO STOP BEHIND ME AND ALMOST T-BONED ME AS I WAS TURNING LEFT. THIS HAS GOT TO STOP, I UNDERSTAND TRAFFIC I UNDERSTAND GROWTH. AND REMOVED FROM BAY MEADOWS AND 95 WITH THE SUBDIVISION OVER THERE WAS BUILT BUT THIS HAS TO STOP. IF YOU CAN'T TAKE A WALK, IT IS A NEIGHBOR COD -- HOOD. IS WAS BE PILED -- WILD AND PEACEFUL. IF ALL YOU ARE DOING IS LOOKING BEHIND YOU YOU ARE AFRAID YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PUSH STROLLERS OUT OF THE WAY BECAUSE YOU MIGHT BE KILLED. NEEDS TO BE SIDEWALKS, NOT THESE LITTLE THINGS ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD WHERE PEOPLE CAN STILL SWERVE INTO YOU AND KILL YOU IT NEEDS TO BE SIDEWALKS. PEOPLE NEED TO BIKE RIDE, I USED TO BIKE RIDE, I CAN'T BIKE RIDE ANYMORE BECAUSE OF THE DANGERS. THIS NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED. AND WHY DOES IT HAVE TO BE 58 HOMES, WHY CAN'T IT BE 30 ON FIVE ACRES OF LAND? WHY CAN'T WE KEEP IT RESIDENTIAL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. >> EVENING, COMMISSIONERS . I'M GOING TO DEFER AS FAR AS READING ALL OF THE COMMENTS OF THE EMAILS TO YIELD THEIR TIME TO ME TO SPEND A MINUTE AND A HALF I APPRECIATE YOU GUYS TAKING THE TIME I UNDERSTAND IT'S BEEN KIND OF EXHAUSTING. WE TRUST THAT YOU TAKE THE ADVICE OF NOT ONLY THE COMMITTEE BUT ALSO THE PLANNING COMMITTEE SO I WILL ASK REALLY QUICK, AND BY PRONOUNCE YOUR GUISES LAST NAMES RIGHT, YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY OF LIVING [04:05:02] AND HAVING THE CONSTITUENCY THAT YOU DO WHICH IS PROBABLY REPRESENTING MY BROTHERS AND SISTERS OVER THERE IN THE COMMUNITY. I WOULD SAY ASK YOURSELF AND IMAGINE THAT NOW YOU ARE IN A LITTLE SQUARE AREA AND EVERYTHING AROUND YOU IS BEING DEVELOPED, I DON'T THINK YOU'D CARE FOR THAT TOO MUCH AFTER LIVING THERE THE AMOUNT OF TIME YOU HAVE CHOSEN TO LIVE THERE. >> I HAVE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY OF LIVING IN FLEMING ISLAND, EAGLE HARBOR FORTUNATELY FOR US HAS A ROAD THAT GOES DOWN AND ALLOWS YOU ENTRY INTO THE DIFFERENT NEIGHBORHOODS. I LIVED IN FIDDLERS RIDGE AND AS YOU GO DOWN YOU MIGHT REMEMBER THE TERRIBLE ACCIDENT THAT WAS THERE. WHAT THEY ARE PROPOSING IS TO USE WILLOW SPRINGS WHICH IS OUR NEIGHBORHOOD TO DRIVE THROUGH THE CENTER OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD TO GET TO THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD. THEY HAVE A MAIN ROAD THAT GOES THERE THAT ALLOWS THEM ENTRY. I DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU LIVE I APOLOGIZE. IF YOU DO LIVE IN THE HLA I WOULD ASK THAT YOU TAKE INTO ACCOUNT HOW WE HAD IT AND WHAT THE PROPOSAL IS GOING THROUGH A COMPLETE NEIGHBORHOOD TO GET TO THE ISOLATED NEIGHBORHOOD. THE BOARD HAD THE OPPORTUNITY A WHILE AGO THEY MADE PROMISES . MY HEART GOES OUT TO THEM FOR THAT. THEY MADE PROMISES NOT ONLY TO THE SHED ROW COMMUNIY BUT ALSO THE RESIDENCE AND HOMEOWNERS. ACTUALLY HAVING OFFENSE AND TO BE CLOSED OFF, HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY LISTENING TO THE FIRE CHIEF WHO MENTIONED THAT ACTUALLY CLOSING DOWN SHED ROAD WOULD BE MORE OF A DETRIMENT AS FAR AS PEOPLE GETTING ACCESS BACK AND FORTH BECAUSE OF THE WAY THAT EAST-WEST ROADS RUN AND RAILROAD TRACKS BUT WITH ALL THAT BEING SAID WE TRUST IN THIS BOARD WE HAVE THAT YOU LISTEN TO THE OTHER PREVIOUS TWO BOYS AND MY CONSTITUENCY IS ASKING THAT THIS DEVELOPMENT DOES NOT HAPPEN. THANK YOU. >> STACY? >> HI, MY NAME IS STACY I LIVE AT 3411 BROWN ROAD WHICH IS AT THE END OF SHED R■OAD ND I PROBABLY LOOK VERY FAMILIAR BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE I'VE BEEN HERE EVERY MONTH TRYING TO FIGHT THESE DEVELOPMENTS THEY KEEP TRYING TO GET CRAMMED INTO THESE LITTLE AREAS WHERE WE DO NOT HAVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT SUPPORTS THESE TYPES OF THINGS. I AM ALSO ON THE SPRINGS THE CITIZENS ADVISORY COUNCIL AND ALTHOUGH I DID INITIALLY VOTE FOR THIS BECAUSE I THINK WE WERE PROMISED SOME THINGS AFTER THAT MEETING HAVING SOME OTHER MEETINGS WITH COMMISSIONER BURKE AND OTHERS, I RESCINDED MY VOTE AS WELL AS TROY ANDERSON DID AS WELL, THE VOTE WAS 5 0 AGAINST THAT IF YOU REALLY WANT TO TAKE THAT AS THAT. I THINK THE THINGS THAT BOTHER ME IS THAT IT IS THE SAME ISSUES IT IS JUST A DIFFERENT DAY THAT WE ARE HERE. THE ISSUES ARE GOING TO BE THE FLOODING, THE DRAINAGE, THE SAFETY, THE TRAFFIC, THE LACK OF INFRASTRUCTURE AND OVERGROWTH IN THIS AREA. THOSE THINGS HAVE NOT CHANGED. CHANGING THIS FROM 62 HOMES A YEAR AGO TO 58 HOMES, I MEAN REALLY IT'S FOUR HOMES MAKING A DIFFERENCE, WE KNOW THAT THE ANSWER IS NOT. I ASK ONCE AGAIN BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE YOU GUYS HAVE LISTENED TO US IN THIS AREA AND YOU VOTED AGAINST THIS AND THE OTHER DEVELOPMENTS THERE ARE 5000 HOMES SO WHY DO WE NEED TO CRAM 58 HOMES INTO THIS A LITTLE VARIABLE AREA. YOU TALKED ABOUT FREE MARKET, THERE IS A FREE MARKETS THAT PEOPLE WANT TO LIVE IN A RURAL AREA AND NOT IN THE PUD. THAT IS WHERE WE LIVE RIGHT NOW SO PLEASE KEEP IT THAT WAY AND LISTEN TO US AND I APPRECIATE THAT AND I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'VE DONE THE LAST YEAR WITH US, THANK YOU. [04:10:09] >> GOOD AFTERNOON, I AM JANE. MY PROPERTY ALL THREE ACRES OF MY PROPERTY IS ADJACENT TO THE 1679 SHED ROAD PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT, WE HAVE LIVED THERE, I HAVE LIVED THERE ALL MY LIFE AS I AM A SHED FOR THE MOST PART WE ARE A SMALL FAMILY COMMUNITY THAT WANTS TO KEEP THE REMAINING AREA WETLAND WILDLIFE AND NATURAL SURROUNDINGS, THE PROPOSED PUTT WOULD DESTROY THE CHARACTER RETHOUGHT. OUR COMMUNITY AND WILLOW SPRINGS DOES NOT WANT THE CHANGES THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED. IT IS NOT AN IDEAL SPOT AS WETLANDS FLOW THROUGH THAT PROPERTY BEING PROPOSED FROM OUR PROPERTIES, MAGNOLIA WEST IN WILLOW SPRINGS AS RAISED LAND LEVELS ON THREE SIDES OF OUR PROPERTIES. THIS WOULD RAISE THE LAND LEVEL ALSO LEAVING OUR SQUARE PROPERTIES ALL TO CAPTURE ALL OF THE WATER THAT RUNS FROM THE DEVELOPMENT AS WE ALREADY EXPERIENCE WATER ISSUES, THE COUNTY AND THE CITY KNOWS AND HAS SEEN FIRSTHAND THE FLOODING THAT MAGNOLIA WEST RETENTION POND WATER HAS DONE TO OUR PROPERTIES. WILLOW SPRINGS CANNOT HANDLE 110 VEHICLES EXTRA COMING THROUGH WITH CHILDREN PLAYING IN THE ROAD. 315 IS BEING OVERRUN AND THE FUTURE TRAFFIC WITH THAT, HOW MUCH CAN THIS ROAD HANDLE, I AM PRAYING THAT YOU SERIOUSLY CONSIDER OUR CONCERNS AND VOTE NO TO THIS PROPOSAL AS WE HAVE LIVED THERE FOR MOST OF OUR LIVES AND I DON'T AGREE WITH CLOSING SHED ROAD, THAT WOULD ONLY GIVE US A ONE WAY OUT AND WE ARE JUST IN A VERY AWKWARD PLACE WHERE THE WHOLE SQUARE WOULD BE THAT RETENTION POND WATER WHICH IS KEEP COMING INTO THAT ONE SQUARE, AND IT'S GOING TO GET TO A POINT WHERE IT'S GOING TO DESTROY OUR HOMES NOT JUST THE PROPERTY BUT OUR HOMES, WE ALREADY SEE MOISTURE WE ARE HAVING TO USE DEHUMIDIFIERS IN OUR HOUSE AND THIS ONLY STARTED AFTER THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE MAGNOLIA WEST AND THE WILLOW SPRINGS MY HOUSE IS BEEN THERE SINCE 1991, I MEAN THIS, THIS ONE I MEAN I'VE LIVED THERE ALL MY LIFE BUT NEVER SEEN WATER ISSUES IN MY HOME UNTIL NOW. >> DENNIS GRIFFITH? >> GOOD EVENING AND THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK TONIGHT I AM IN WILLOW SPRINGS, 33-32 BEEN THERE ALMOST TWO YEARS NOW AND MY HEART IS THIS, I DON'T HAVE NOTES ON JUST GOING TO SPEAK TO YOU FROM MY HEART WHAT I REALLY THINK AND HOW I REALLY FEEL DEEP DOWN. TWO ISSUES. HER PEOPLE SAY YOU CAN DRIVE DOWN SHED ROAD SOMETIMES AND THERE'S WATER ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD AND IT HASN'T RAINED IN FOREVER. THERE IS MOVING WATER THROUGH THAT AREA AND THAT WAS BROUGHT UP THE LAST TIME THIS CAME UP A YEAR AGO WHEN THEY WERE TRYING TO BUILD ON IT. IF YOU LOWER THE ELEVATION AND CUT DOWN TREES YOU ARE GOING TO MAKE THAT SITUATION WORSE AND IT IS JUST GOING TO CREATE A CALAMITY. AND I LIVE ON LAW AND SELF AND YOU KNOW, I AM ADJACENT TO THIS PROPERTY. OBVIOUSLY AM VERY VERY CONCERNED BUT I'M CONCERNED FOR THE PEOPLE ON SHED ROAD THOSE FOLKS HAVE HARVESTED THAT PROPERTY THAT AWAY SAYS, THEY HAVE LIVED THERE FOR YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS AND I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND THAT, I REALLY DO. [04:15:07] THERE'S AN ISSUE THERE BUT THE SECOND ISSUE ON MY HEART IS SAFETY. OUR TRAFFIC IS JUST GETTING COLOSSAL. OUR SUBDIVISION WAS NOT BUILT TO HANDLE THE WILLOW SPRINGS TRAFFIC IN AND OUT ALONG WITH SHED ROAD FROM HIGHWAY 17 TO 315 THAT PEOPLE CONTINUALLY USE . I WALKED DOWN TO WILLOW SPRINGS WHERE THAT COMES IN NOT FAR AND I'M GOING TO TELL YOU SOMETHING, PEOPLE COME FLYING OFF THE ROAD AND I'M NOT POINTING AT ANY PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE BUT PEOPLE PROBABLY JUST COME THROUGH, THEY ARE COMING OFF THAT ROAD AT 40, 50 MILES AN HOUR PROBABLY INTO A CUL-DE-SAC IN THE BACK OF OUR SUBDIVISION AND I PERCEIVE THAT IS VERY DANGEROUS. I WANT SAFETY FOR OUR CHILDREN. I WANT SAFETY FOR OUR HOMEOWNERS I WANT TO BE SURE THAT WHEN I GET TO WILLOW SPRINGS, SOMEBODY DOESN'T RUN A STOP SIGN WE HAVE AN OFF-DUTY POLICE OFFICER, WE HAVE TO BECAUSE PEOPLE SPEED THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD THEY RUN STOP SIGNS WITHOUT EVEN SLOWING DOWN. I DON'T WANT TO BE ONE OF THOSE, I DON'T WANT MY DOG TO GET RUN OVER EITHER IT'S GOING TO TURN INTO A HUGE HAIRBALL BECAUSE OF THE SPEEDING IN THE PROBLEMS BUT THAT IS MY HEART. >> HOW DID I GET TWO CARDS >> IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK ON THE SUBJECT? >> I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING THESE FOLKS SAID, I'VE BEEN COMING HERE FOR OVER 15 YEARS AND SHED ROAD HAS BEEN A HUGE ISSUE I CAN REMEMBE SITTING HERE WITH RONNIE ROBINSON TALKING ABOUT THIS ROAD. IT IS ABSURD TO ME THAT Y'ALL ARE PUTTING ALL THIS TRAFFIC ON THAT ROAD TO BEGIN WITH WHEN YOU ALL KNOW WHAT THE PROBLEM HAS BEEN. WE REALLY COULD USE TWO MORE COMMISSIONERS TO DEAL WITH THESE PROBLEMS BUT IT'S NOT AN ACCIDENT WHEN IT'S A BAD DEVELOPMENT WHEN YOU GUYS ARE CREATING THESE PROBLEMS IN CREATING THESE CRASHES ON THE ROADS. THIS IS A NIGHT DIRT ROAD -- NICE DIRT ROAD. IT CREATES A LOT OF HEAT, THE ASPHALT CREATES A LOT OF HEAT, THE HOUSES ON THE ROOFTOPS CREATE A LOT OF HEAT. IF YOU WANT A PAVED ROAD, GO MOVE WHERE THERE IS A PAVED ROAD, IT WASN'T THERE SO WHY ARE YOU PUSHING ALL OF THIS ON THESE PEOPLE. OFFSTREET PARKING IF IT IS A FOUR BEDROOM HOUSE, WHY ARE YOU DOING A 40 FOOT WIDE LOT WITH FOUR BEDROOMS DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE YOU'RE GOING TO BUILD THAT OVER HERE, THAT'S WHAT YOU ARE LOOKING AT DOING WITH ALL OF THAT, THEY CAN GET DOWN THE STREETS WITH THE AMS AND THE FIRE DEPARTMENT BECAUSE THEY ARE PARKING ON BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET BECAUSE YOU PUT TWO STORIES WHERE THERE SHOULDN'T BE IT IS ABSURD, THE WHOLE THING IS ABSURD, CLAY TRANSIT HAS FAILED THIS COMMUNITY. IS JTA EVEN UP TO PAR? WE ARE TALKING YEARS THAT WE DID NOT HAVE THE TRANSPORTATION AND THAT IS PART OF YOUR JOB, FOR THE PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION IN THIS COUNTY. IT IS JUST OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN. THAT'S IS TALKING ABOUT FIRE STATIONS. >> HOW ARE YOU BUILDING MORE WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE FIRE STATIONS? OUR FIRE STATIONS HAD MOLD IN THEM. YOU COME AND GET MONEY FROM THE C.A.R.E.S. ACT MONEY TO DO THIS STUFF, IT'S NOT RIGHT, IT'S REALLY NOT RIGHT WITH THE PRIOR BOARD AND WHAT IS PUSHED IN TO THIS BOARD, IT'S JUST NOT RIGHT WHAT'S BEEN DONE . >> I KNOW YOU JUST SAID SOMETHING ABOUT ONE AREA OF THE COUNTY NEEDED LIKE FIVE FIRE STATIONS AND EVERY PART OF THE COUNTY NEEDED FIRE STATIONS SO HOW CAN YOU SIT HERE AND KEEP [04:20:02] APPROVING RESIDENTIAL HOUSES WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE, INFRASTRUCTURE, INFRASTRUCTURE, WE, HERE TO TALK ABOUT THIS ALL THE TIME. >> I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. >> IF I COULD, MR. CHAIRMAN JUST BRIEFLY. >> IT IS BACK OF THE COMMISSION LEVEL NOW. >> SO UNDER THE RULES, SHE CAN SPEAK AS AN APPLICATION AND AS A REBUTTAL BUT SHE DID EXCEED THE TIME LIMIT FOR THE ACTUAL PRESENTATION. >> VERY BRIEFLY, I DON'T WANT TO BE IN YOUR SHOES WE HEARD THE CAC, THE TRASH TRUCKS, THE AMAZON TRUCKS, THE PEOPLE SPEEDING BETWEEN 17 AND 315 ENCLOSING THE SHED ROAD GIVES A BIG OBJECTIVE, ALSO MR. SMITH INDICATED THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION THAT HE BELIEVES THAT REMOVING A PORTION OF SHED ROAD THAT IS ON THE DRAWING I GAVE YOU WILL IMPROVE THE FLOODING SITUATION. HE CALL THAT A MINI DAM AND THAT SHED ROAD CURRENTLY ASKED TO IMPOUND THE WATER AS IT LEAVES THE WEST AND MOVES TO THE NORTH. WE STAND WITH YOUR ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT TO SAY THAT WE THINK THESE ARE PROBLEMS THAT WE DIDN'T CREATE AND THIS MAY BE THE BEST SOLUTION BUT WE UNDERSTAND THE STRUGGLE WITH ADDITIONAL HOUSING AND SO WE JUST ASK YOU TO GIVE US THE CONSIDERATION AND WE'VE OFFERED SOME THINGS TO CONSIDER. >> THANK YOU . >> CAN I ASK A QUESTION? >> IF THEY WERE UNDER THEIR CURRENT ZONING AND LAND USE, IF I IF MY BRAIN IS FUNCTIONING PROPERLY AND I'M LOOKING AT IT AT THEIR CURRENT ZONING AS AR SO ON THEIR 21 ACRES THEY COULD BUILD HOW MANY HOMES? ARE THEY THE ONE HOME PER FIVE ACRES? >> IF MY MEMORY SERVES, YES. >> IT IS NOT ONE I WAS FAMILIAR WITH SO. >> HE DID SAY 14. >> BECAUSE OF THE RURAL RESIDENTIAL LAND USE IN THE ZONING. SO YEAH, THEY WOULD HAVE TO. >> UNDER THE CURRENT PARCEL, THEY SAID 14? >> THEY'VE AS WELL AS OTHER THINGS. IN ADDITION TO CELL TOWER BE OR WHATEVER. >> I APOLOGIZE I LEFT PROBABLY WHEN YOU SAID THAT. >> ONE LAST WHOEVER WANTS TO SPEAK. >> I WILL MAKE A FEW COMMENTS, MY CONCERN IS WE HAVEN'T SOLVED THE SURFACE WATER PROBLEMS, WE HAVEN'T SOLVED, I LOOK AT THIS AND I SEE THE IMPACT TO WILLOW SPRINGS THE ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC, THE ADDITIONAL FEDEX BOXES AND I JUST THINK IT IS THE RIGHT TIME. >> WE HAD NO ONE TO SAY THEY WERE IN FAVOR OF IT. WHEN THE APPLICANT CAME TO MEET WITH ME I SAID, I'M TYPICALLY THE ANTI-VOTE, THEY KNEW THAT AND THEY STILL CAME TO TALK TO ME AND THE ONLY REASON I TOLD THEM I WOULD BE WILLING TO LISTEN WAS THE PROPOSAL OF IF CLOSING SHED ROAD COULD SOLVE THE DRAINAGE ISSUES, I DON'T KNOW HOW WE SAW THAT AND I DID GO OUT AND DRIVE IT SO I WAS PART OF YOUR TRAFFIC PROBLEM BUT I DROVE REALLY SLOW SO I APOLOGIZE THAT I ADDED TO THE TRAFFIC. I WENT OUT THERE AND DROVE IT AND WANTED TO SEE HOW WILLOW SPRING AND THAT WAS BEFORE MY TIME AND NO OFFENSE BUT HOW WILLOW SPRINGS GOT APPROVED, I DON'T KNOW. NOT HAVING THE SECOND EXIT. IF I LIVED BACK AND THAT IS A NICE CUL-DE-SAC BACK THERE BUT IF [04:25:03] SOMETHING GOES WRONG, YOU DON'T REALLY HAVE A LOT OF WAY OUT, THERE ARE A LOT OF PLACES IN CLAY COUNTY THAT DON'T HAVE MORE THAN ONE WAY OUT. THAT IS NOT A CRITERIA NECESSARILY BUT WHEN WE GO TO ADD A LOT OF DENSITY THERE BUT THEN I FEEL REALLY BADLY FOR THESE GENTLEMEN WHO LOAN THIS GUY MONEY, HE DEFAULTED, ENDED UP WITH THIS PROPERTY AND IT REALLY IS LANDLOCKED LIKE YOU'RE REALLY KIND OF BACK THERE WITHOUT A WAY OUT BECAUSE THE WAVERLEY SPRINGS WAS BUILT, THEY USED TO COME OUT TO 315 SO I DON'T KNOW HOW ALL OF THAT GOT DONE, IF WE ARE NOT GOING TO CLOSE SHED , I APPRECIATE WHERE YOU LIVE I JUST CAN'T SUPPORT IT. BUT YOU ALL KNOW I TYPICALLY DON'T VOTE YES ANYWAY . >> I HAVEN'T SEEN THINGS SUBSTANTIALLY CHANGE SINCE A YEAR AGO. TRAFFIC, DIRT ROAD . WE DON'T KNOW WHO OWNS PART OF THE ROAD SO WE CAN'T REALLY DO TOO MUCH IMPROVEMENT WE HAVE THE SAME FLOODING ISSUES. I THINK THAT WE ARE BACK IN THE SAME SORT OF VOTES AND THE OTHER THING IS, WE HAVE JUST TAKEN SUSAN'S WORD EXPLAINING HOW THE SECOND ALTERNATE WOULD COME ABOUT BEFORE HE MOCKED LEFT, HE WAS AGAINST IT ALTOGETHER. CAN YOU GIVE US AN IDEA FOR WHAT IS SITTING THERE? CHIEF MOATS. >> TO REITERATE FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO WERE ABLE TO HEAR THE CONVERSATION, IT JUST BECOMES AN ACCESS PROBLEM FOR US. THERE ARE MUCH POORER ROADS IN CLAY COUNTY THAT WE STILL UTILIZE FOR ACCESS WHEN WE HAVE TO DO THAT. OF COURSE I AM NOT A SPECIALIST BUT I WENT AND DID SOME PRELIMINARY DRIVING MILES TYPE THING AND REALLY FROM SHED ROAD RIGHT THERE, YOU ARE LOOKING 1.7 MILES OR FIVE MINUTES PRETTY MUCH FROM DRIVING THAT DISTANCE RIGHT THERE. IF YOU GO AROUND GO RIVER ROTOR 315 YOU ARE LOOKING AT SIX TO SEVEN . IT SHOULD BE THE DIRT ROAD WAY OR THE OTHER WAY. YOUR NEXT BET OFF OF THAT WOULD BE MAGNOLIA POINT. 4.8 MILES, 12 MINUTES IS WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT IN STATE ROUTE 16 WOULD BE EIGHT MILES. I SAY THAT TO SAY THAT ONE OF THE COMPOUNDING FACTORS THERE IS THE RAILROAD TRACKS THAT GO ALONG. THE CHANCES THAT GO ALONG WITH SOME SORT OF INCIDENT THAT WOULD BLOCK OFF ANY OF THE SECTIONS OF THE ROAD. THE FIRE DEPARTMENT FUNDAMENTALLY ENDED UP ITSELF WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THIS AND I WAS JUST KIND OF LOOKING AT THESE MAPS AND YOU CAN KIND OF GET ANYWHERE FROM ANYWHERE. >> WHAT YOU TEND TO SEE SOMETIMES IN CLAY COUNTY IS THESE ISOLATED SUBDIVISIONS YOU CAN SEE THE OTHER ONE BUT YOU LITERALLY HAVE TO GO ALL THE WAY BACK IN FRONT YOU MAY STILL HAVE TWO ENTRANCES THOSE TWO ENTRANCES CAN BE A VERY LONG WAYS AWAY TO GET BACK THE SUBDIVISION. AND ALSO YOU HAVE AN URBAN INTERFACE ISSUE. WE WOULD NOT SUPPORT SHUTTING DOWN SHED ROAD OR EVEN FOR THAT MATTER WHAT HAS BECOME SOMEWHAT POPULAR RESTRICTING IT WITH THE GATE ACCESS, ANY OF THAT SLOWS US DOWN COMING THROUGH HERE. I KNOW IT IS A SMALL ROAD. PROBABLY THREE, FOUR MONTHS AGO SO THAT WOULD BE OUR POSITION. >> WILLOW SPRINGS, ANYTIME WE HEAR A GAIT, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT 300 EMPLOYEES IN WHEN YOU COME OUT ON TOP OF THE IT IS ALL, THE KEYS ARE NOT A GREAT OPTION BECAUSE WHICH KEY IS LABELED WHAT, WHERE IS THAT OUT? IT'S GETTINGBIGGER AND BIGGER, IF AN OPTION EVER IS IN THE BACK OF MAGNOLIA POINT, THEY'VE GOT ONE IN THE SIREN, THAT WORKS PRETTY WELL BUT KEEP [04:30:01] IN MIND IT STILL SLOWS US DOWN. WHEN I WAS TELLING YOU THE MINUTES FROM AN EMS STANDPOINTS FOR EVERY ONE MINUTE IF YOU TAKE AND HOLD YOUR BREATH YOU ARE NOT BREATHING, FOR EVERY ONE MINUTE IT TAKES YOU ABOUT A 10% LESS CHANCE OF SURVIVAL. SO DO THE MATH, 10 MINUTES 100% CHANCE WE MAY NOT GET YOU BACK. THERE ARE GOING TO BE FACTORS IN THERE LIKE CPR, AED'S AND ALL OF THOSE KIND OF THINGS IT'S STILL KIND OF HOLDS TRUE ABOUT THE 10 TO 12 MINUTE STANDPOINT. WHEN I SAID THE LITTLE MINUTES AND THERE IT COUNTS ON THE FIRE SIDE OF THE HOUSE MUCH DIFFERENT THAN THE WAY IT USED TO BE, YOU CAN GO FROM A SMALL FRAME AND I TOOK IT OUT OF THE U.S. FIRE ADMINISTRATION'S THEIR STUDIES, A SMALL FLAME TO FLUSH OVER IN ABOUT THREE TO FIVE MINUTES. IT CAN GO TO FULL ROOM INVOLVEMENT WITHIN THREE TO FIVE MINUTES BECAUSE OF THE TYPE OF THINGS THAT WE HAVE NOWADAYS AN HOUR, OUR HOUSES ARE BUILT THAT WAY DIFFERENT THAN IT USED TO BE. I DID HEAR THAT FIRE STATIONS ARE GOING TO BE RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER RIGHT THERE. IT'S TRUE AND IT WILL BE ONE OF OUR OVERLAP FIRE STATIONS WHICH MEANS YOU'RE NOT NECESSARILY LOOKING AT FIVE DAYS AND MULTIPLE UNITS YOU'RE PROBABLY LOOKING AT A STATION WITH AN ENGINE AND A RESCUE SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES YOU CAN'T ALWAYS BET THAT THAT IS GOING TO BE THE STATION. WHATEVER ACCESS THE NEXT STATION WILL BE THERE GOING TO CHOOSE THE CLOSEST ACCESS THEY CAN GET. >> THANK YOU, CHIEF, APPRECIATE IT. >> CAN WE GET RICHARD TO TALK TO US? >> RICHARD, CAN YOU TALK TO US ABOUT THE ROAD CLOSURE? SO, RICHARD, IF YOU HAD NO OTHER, WHAT WOULD YOU DO AT THIS POINT >> IF WE DON'T CLOSE IT, WE PROBABLY NEED -- WE DON'T OWN THE LAND TO PUT THAT IN IT IS NOT AN OPTION NOW. THE 40 ACRE TRACT BETWEEN WILLOW SPRINGS AND THE FIRST FOLKS THAT LIVE ON THE EAST PORTION OF SHED ROAD IS CONTROLLED BY SOMEONE NEW NOW WE DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY INKLING OF WHAT THEY COULD DO, IT TRULY IS A 20 FOOT WIDE PLUS OR MINUS RESTRICTED AREA, WE CAN'T BUILD A 10 BY SIX AREA. THAT WOULD IMPROVE THE DRAINAGE. IT WORKS NOW TO A POINT OF MOST AFTERNOON THUNDERSTORMS WHICH IS IN VERY GOOD MAYBE A TWO YEAR OR FIVE YEAR EVENT. ONCE IT GETS ABOVE THAT, THEY SEEM TO GO DOWN WHICH AGAIN WE ARE NOT ALLOWED, WE DON'T OWN ENOUGH OF THAT TO EVEN BUILD A DITCH ON THE SIDE OF IT. THE WAY IT WORKS IS TRYING TO ACCOMMODATE IT ACTUALLY HALF OF THE ROAD BECOMES THE DRAINAGE CONVEYANCE DURING A STORM EVENT SO THEREFORE THERE IS A LOT OF MAINTENANCE WHEN IT IS FIXED. FOR ME DRAINAGE STANDPOINT, 100%, CLOSE IT. WE HAVE BEEN EXPOSED THE LAST 45 TO 60 DAYS. WE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED IN CLAY COUNTY IN THE MEETING ON A FRIDAY EXPLAINED TO ME WHEN YOU ADD IN THE CROSSING GOING IN AND YOU GO ALL THE WAY UP TO FLEMING ISLAND. WE ONLY HAVE FOUR AND ONE OF THOSE IS SHED ROAD. THEY DON'T CHOOSE TO USE IT. I'VE DEALT WITH THE BROODING CLOSURE, WE WON'T ALLOW OUR EQUIPMENT ON THE ROAD. THIS DOESN'T SEEM LIKE A VERY UNIFIED GROUP NOW. WHAT I DO KNOW IS THAT WHEN WE CLOSE FOR THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE ARE DOING ON IT NOW THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC THAT WENT ON THERE REALLY OPENED MY EYES UP AND THESE RAILROAD CROSSINS ARE PRECIOUS JUST THE CROSSING BLACK CREEK, WE DON'T CROSS BLACK CREEK EVERY TIME WE HAVE A PLACE THAT WE WANT. IT IS KIND OF A PART THAT FORMULATING MY OPINION OF CLOSING SHED ROAD [04:35:01] >> THANK YOU, RICHARD, I APPRECIATE IT. >> YOU BRING UP FUNDING. THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY WAS A PROBLEM FOR PEOPLE YOU FORECLOSED ON BECAUSE OF THE SITUATION. I'M NOT INCLINED TO SUPPORT AT THIS POINT. WE CREATE ADDITIONAL PROBLEMS BY TRYING TO CORRECT THIS PROBLEM. >> NOVEMBER 20TH THERE MAY BE AN INITIATIVE THE PROJECT, I DON'T SEE IT. I HAVE RECEIVED NO POSITIVE COMMENTS FROM ANYBODY IN WILLOW SPRINGS SO I HAVE VERY LITTLE FAITH THAT THAT IS GOING TO BE OF ASSISTANCE TO THIS PROJECT. BUT IT IS AN OPTION >> ULTIMATELY IF OUR FIRE CHIEF IS NOT IN FAVOR OF OPENING UP THESE CUL-DE-SACS THAN THE WHOLE THING IS -- >> SHE DID SPEAK AT THE MEETING THE OTHER DAY. >> SO THE PASS PROPERTY OWNER I KNEW VERY WELL SHE THOUGHT DEVELOPMENT ON THE PROPERTY AROUND HER FOR AS MANY YEARS AS SHE WAS LIVING THERE. A LOT OF PEOPLE YOU MADE AN INVESTMENT BUT UNFORTUNATELY I JUST DON'T THINK IT WAS A GOOD ONE AND NO MATTER WHAT WE DO, WE HAVE AN ISSUE HERE OUR COUNTY HAS AN ISSUE WITH THIS ROAD IT HAS BEEN AN ISSUE FOR A LONG TIME. EVEN IF CLOSING IT WAS AN OPTION AND WE COULD DO THAT RIGHT NOW WITH THE CHIEFS BLESSINGS, HAVING 58 HOMES BACK THERE IS STILL NOT A GOOD ANSWER. I DON'T SEE ANYWHERE THAT IT WOULD BE A GOOD ANSWER. >> THESE PEOPLE SHOULDN'T HAVE TO BE LIVING SCARED TO DEATH THAT THEIR KIDS ARE GOING TO GET RAN OVER I MEAN, WHENEVER WHEN THEY WERE MOVED IN, A LOT OF THESE PEOPLE THAT MOVED IN FIRST AND THINK IT WAS GOING TO BE ONE ENTRANCE AND THEN WHEN WE FOUND OUT THAT THAT WAS THE CASE, THAT WAS BIG FOR THE PEOPLE IN THAT AREA. AND, I REMEMBER THAT DAY. I HAD JUST COME IN AND IT WAS ROUGH THINKING ABOUT WHAT THIS PEOPLE NOW HAVE TO LIVE WITH >> MY DISTRICT, SUSAN, YOU SAID, WHAT WAS THE WORD YOU SAID, WE HAVE A DEMAND FOR HOMES OUTSIDE OF THE MASTER PLAN. ADMIN PLEASE CAN YOU WILL JUST DRIVE IN MY DISTRICT, PLEASE JUST GO SEE WHAT IS HAPPENING. IT IS UNBEARABLE THERE ARE TONS OF PLACES THERE TO BUY AND I'M DOING EVERYTHING I CAN TO TRY TO KEEP MORE COMING FROM AFTER THAT. SO NO, THERE IS NO DEMAND. IF THERE'S A DEMAND FOR DEVELOPERS TO BE ABLE TO BUILD MORE HOUSES, THAT'S WHAT THIS IS WHY DOES EVERY POSSIBLE POCKET OF LAND HAVE TO HAVE HOUSES 10 TO 15 FEET APART? THESE PEOPLE DON'T DESERVE THAT. NO, NOTHING IS CHANGED HERE, FLOODING ISSUES, I'VE BEEN IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD OVER AND OVER AGAIN WE HAVE HAD MEETINGS, RICHARD HAS BEEN WORKING HARD TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT TO DO WITH THE FLOODING WE DON'T HAVE THE FLOOD STUDY ALL THE WAY BACK THEY DID COME AND MEET WITH US WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO KIND OF EXPLAIN WHAT WAS HAPPENING SO DEFINITELY RICHARD KNOWS [04:40:01] WHAT'S GOING ON AND SOMETHING HAS TO BE DONE BUT THEN YOU HAVE THE ROAD THAT IS NOT OWNED BY THE COUNTY AND CITY PEOPLE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO TURN OVER SOME OF THEIR PROPERTY FOR US TO BE ABLE TO DO THE WORK. I KNOW THAT RICHARD CAN COME UP WITH A GOOD OPTION HERE AND AN ANSWER. I HAVE FULL FAITH IN HIM SO BUT -- >> HE IS TERM LIMITED. >> SO ANYWAY, I CANNOT SUPPORT A I JUST CAN'T, MY MOTION IS TO DENY. >> A MOTION TO DENY THE REQUEST. >> WE NEED TO DO TWO VOTES. >> DENYING THE REQUEST FOR A LAND-USE CHANGE AS WELL AS THE APPLICATIONS. >> THE MOTION IS TO DENY? >> ANY OTHER COMMENTS, QUESTIONS, CONCERNS? ALL OF THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE . >> MOTION TO DENY THE 0002. >> ANY COMMENTS, QUESTIONS, CONCERNS? HEARING ON, ALL OF THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE >> WE ARE GOING TO ROLL BACK TO [CONSENT AGENDA] THE CONSENT AGENDA WHICH IS ITEM NUMBER FIVE. >> ORDER . >> ANYBODY WISH TO REMOVE SOMETHING FROM CONSENT? >> I WOULD LIKE TO PUT ITEM NUMBER SEVEN AND ITEM NUMBER 19 PLACE -- PLEASE . MOTION IN [7.  Resolution by Mutual Agreement regarding Pond Treatment Spraying Services Bid Protest] SECOND, ALL OF THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE . ITEM NUMBER SEVEN. >> I WANTED TO UNDERSTAND MORE ABOUT THIS BID PROTEST . >> GOOD AFTERNOON. JUST TO GIVE YOU LIKE A BRIEFING ON IT THIS IS AN ITEM WE BROUGHT TO AWARD THE BID. AT THE TIME WE WERE REPORTING A BETTER BASED ON ONE LOW BID. WE HAVE GOTTEN A NOTICE AND A PETITION AT THE SAME TIME SO WE HAVE PROCEDURES IN OUR PURCHASING POLICY FOR PROTEST SO WE BEGAN FOLLOWING THIS PROCEDURES ALLOWING FOR INTERVENERS AND ALLOWING FOR A RESOLUTION TO SETTLE THE PROTEST. SO WITH THAT, WE LOOKED AT SPLITTING THE BID IN A NORTH AND SOUTH ZONE SIMILAR [04:45:04] TO HOW WE DO THE MOWING CONTRACT , WE REACH OUT TO BOTH VENDORS AND THEY REDID THE INSTALLMENT. >> THE ONE WE WERE GOING TO ORIGINALLY AWARDED TO DIDN'T AGREE TO IT, HIS HOME OFFICE DID, IS THAT NOT TRUE? >> A LOCAL REP DID REACH OUT TO US IT TOOK US A FEW DAYS TO GET IN TOUCH WITH ANOTHER CONTACT PERSON AND AS SOON AS WE DID WE SUPPLIED THEM INFORMATION AND GOT A RESPONSE BACK BY EMAIL THAT THEY AGREED TO THE SPLIT. ON FRIDAY I KNOW ONE OF THE STAFF MEMBERS HAD REACHED OUT JUST INQUIRING A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE PROTEST BUT THEN STATED IF THE ORLANDO OFFICE HAD PROVIDED US THAT EMAIL THEN THEY WERE SATISFIED WITH THAT AND THEY LOOK FORWARD TO DOING BUSINESS WITH US. >> I HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THIS. WHAT I DON'T WANT IS A SITUATION WHERE TWO BIDS COME IN MORE THAN ONE BID COMES IN, MORE IS SATISFACTORY TO THE COUNTY AND MEETS ALL OF OUR REQUIREMENTS IS THE LOW BIDDER, WE VOTE TO AWARD THE BID, THE NEXT BIDDER WHO HAS A HISTORY WITH THE COUNTY OF DOING BUSINESS NOW KNOWS WITH THE OTHER BIDS WERE AND PROTESTED AND THEN WE CHANGE AND WE APPEASE EVERYONE BECAUSE YOU ALL KNOW I AM A BIG FOOTBALL FAN IN GEORGIA BULLDOG WHICH WE HAD A REALLY BAD WEEKEND BUT A FEW WEEKENDS AGO WE WERE IN TEXAS, WE PLAYED IN TEXAS AND THERE WAS A CALL MADE ON THE FIELD. RIGHT OR WRONG IT WAS MADE ON THE FIELD AND THEN THE FANS THROUGH A BUNCH OF STUFF ONTO THE FIELD AND THE CALL WAS CHANGED AND NOW BECAUSE OF THAT IN COLLEGE FOOTBALL GAMES EVERYWHERE THEY HAVE AN ISSUE BECAUSE NOW PEOPLE THINK THEY CAN INTERVENE IN THE PROCESS AND CHANGE THE PROCESS, THE RULES ARE THE RULES IF THE WRONG CALL WAS MADE SO WHEN I APPLY THIS TO THIS SITUATION AND ESPECIALLY TO HAVE THIS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA, I JUST DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE AND I DON'T KNOW ANY OF THESE PEOPLE, I DON'T HAVE ANY EXPERIENCE WORKING WITH THEM AND I THINK THAT IS THE WAY IT IS SUPPOSED TO BE. I THINK WE ARE SUPPOSED TO SPEND OUT A BID, I JUST REALLY AM VERY UNCOMFORTABLE WITH US SETTING A PRECEDENT FINANCIALLY FOR A COMPANY THAT LOST IT BY HOWEVER MUCH, I DIDN'T GO BACK AND LOOK, I DON'T REMEMBER PROTESTING AND THEN WE CHANGE IT BECAUSE OF THEM I UNDERSTAND WE HAVE OUR POLICY WE FOLLOWED OUR POLICY IT JUST FEELS IN SOME WAYS IT FEELS WRONG TO ME BUT I'M A VERY BLACK AND WHITE TENT BE A VERY BLACK-AND-WHITE PERSON AND NOT SEE THE GRAY. I'M INTERESTED IN SEEING YOUR OPINIONS. >> I THOUGHT AS LONG AS WE ARE FOLLOWING THE POLICY AND IN THIS CASE I'M NOT SURE WHETHER THERE IS SOMEONE IN THE HOME OFFICE OR WHETHER THERE IS A FRANCHISE ALL I KNOW IS IF WE HAD SOMEBODY THAT'S PROTESTED THE BID AND THEN WE WORKED IT OUT SO THEN WE ENDED UP WITH TWO VENDORS AND THEY WERE HAPPY BECAUSE THEY BOTH GOT A PIECE OF THE ACTION, THEN I THINK WHAT WE'VE DONE, I UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERN WITH IT BUT AT THIS POINT I'M NOT SURE UNLESS WE GO DIGGING DEEPER IN THE WEEDS BUT IF THEY FOLLOW THE POLICY, I DON'T THINK IT IS A PROBLEM I THINK THEY BOTH ENDED UP WITH SOME BUSINESS AND WE ARE IN A BETTER SITUATION THE NEXT TIME THEY WILL HAVE TO BID AGAIN. WE WILL HAVE DOUBLE EXPERIENCE WITH ONE I GUESS AND A NEW EXPERIENCE WITH THE OTHER. WHAT IS THE REASON FOR PROTEST? >> SO THEY HAD A COUPLE REASONS THAT WERE COULD BE VALID BUT THEY ACTUALLY WERE NOT AFTER REVIEWING THEM BUT THEY WERE WITHIN NINE DOLLARS APART, THE ORIGINAL BIDS SO THE CONCERN WAS, WAS THERE ANY CHANCE THE [04:50:03] BIDDER HAD SEEN THEIR NUMBERS. THAT THE LOW BIDDER HAD SEEN THE SECOND LOW BIDDERS NUMBERS, WE CAN SHOW A TRAIL THE BIDS WERE NOT OPEN BEFORE THE OPENING DAY SO WE CAN PROVE THAT ALSO DURING THE QUESTION AND ANSWER PERIOD OF THE BID IT WAS ASKED TO SHARE THE CURRENT CONTRACTS SO WE DO THAT IN EVERY BID WHEN WE ARE ASKED THAT QUESTION BECAUSE EVERYTHING WITH THE COUNTY'S PUBLIC RECORD SO WE HAVE TO MAKE IT AVAILABLE BUT THAT IS STILL NONE OF THE NUMBERS LINED UP TO SAY THAT THEY USED THE NUMBERS OF OUR CURRENT CONTRACT THERE WAS A WIDE RANGE, IT WASN'T THAT THEY JUST USED THE SAME EXACT NUMBERS AND LOWERED IT BY NINE DOLLARS. SO I DON'T THINK SHARING THAT CONTRACT INFLUENCED THE LOW BIDDERS NUMBERS AT ALL. WE COULD NOT FIND A PATTERN IN EITHER WAY IT WAS LEGAL AND SOMETHING WE HAD TO DO BECAUSE IT IS PUBLIC RECORD. SAID THAT WAS ONE OF THE, THAT WAS THE TWO QUESTIONS AND ONE WAS THEY BROUGHT UP SOME HISTORY OF ONE OF THE OWNERS THAT THEY HAD LOCATED AND FOUND INFORMATION ON ONE OF THE OWNERS OF THE COMPANY BUT AGAIN CHARACTER IS NOT A REASON FOR US TO REJECT A BID. WE DID REFERENCE CHECKS AND ALL OF THE REFERENCE CHECKS CAME BACK FINE. >> WHAT WOULD'VE HAPPENED IF WE SAID WE FOUND IT IN NONE OF THESE THINGS IN YOUR FAVOR AND WE GO WITH THE ORIGINAL BIDDER, WHAT WOULD'VE HAPPENS? >> WE WOULD'VE HAD TO GO INTO A HEARING >> BUT SINCE CERTAINLY IT WAS IN THE COUNTY'S INTEREST TO SPLIT THE BID WE SAVED, IT WASN'T A HUGE AMOUNT OF MONEY BUT $1500 FOR THE YEAR AND WE FELT LIKE IT BENEFITED BOTH CONTRACTORS AND THE COUNTY AT THE SAME TIME. >> AND OUR STAFF FELT LIKE THEY COULD MANAGE TWO CONTRACTS. THE OTHER CHOICE WAS TO, AN OPTION WAS TO AWARD EACH POND TO A BITTER AND THAT WOULD'VE BEEN A MANAGING NIGHTMARE AND IT WAS NOT RECOMMENDED. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? >> MOTION? >> EMOTION, SECOND TO APPROVE THE ITEM NUMBER NINE TO AWARD THE TREATMENT SERVICES TO DIFFERENT CONTRACTORS ANY OTHER COMMENTS, QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS? HEARING THEM, ALL OF THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. >> I PULLED ITEM NUMBER 19 [19.  Affordable Housing Advisory Committee Annual Report (T. Sumner)] BECAUSE I JUST HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THAT, THERESE I'M SORRY THAT I MADE YOU STAY HERE UNTIL 9:00 AT NIGHT TO ASK YOU THIS BECAUSE MY QUESTION IS IF WE ACCEPTED YOUR REPORTS, ARE WE AGREEING TO DO ALL OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT CAME IN THAT REPORT? >> WE ARE ONLY OBLIGATED TO BRING THE REPORT TO YOU, YOU ARE UNDER NO OBLIGATION TO FOLLOW ANY OF OUR RECOMMENDATIONS, THEY ARE SIMPLY THAT THEY ARE JUST RECOMMENDATIONS. >> I DON'T THINK THEY ARE ALL BAD I JUST HAD CONCERNS SPECIFICALLY ON THE RESURRECTION OF INFRASTRUCTURE PROPERTIES AND THE MODIFICATION OF STREET REQUIREMENTS. THAT ONE IS A HARD ONE TO GO BACK ON AND SO THERE WERE SOME OF THE OTHER ONES THAT I THOUGHT WOULD TAKE A WHOLE LOT OF THE COUNTY MANAGER SPECIFICALLY OF THE DEPARTMENTS TIME AND I WANT US TO BE ABLE TO TALK THROUGH AND HIM TO THINK THROUGH AND PLAN FOR IF WE ARE GOING TO TAKE ON THAT WORK SO IF IT IS JUST EXCEPTING OF THE REPORT. >> IT IS JUST ME PRESENTING IT TO YOU AND IT HAS TO BE FILED WITH THE HOUSING AFTER THAT. >> A MOTION TO APPROVE , ANY COMMENTS, QUESTIONS OR FURTHER ISSUES? ALL OF THOSE IN FAVOR, THEY AYE . [04:55:04] >> THANK YOU. >> IT WAS WORTH STICKING [30.  Progress Report on the Bonded Transportation Program (E. Dendor)] AROUND. >> WE ARE ON TO DISCUSSION UPDATES. >> YOU COULD'VE TAKEN A NAP. >> THE BOND TRANSPORTATION ADMINISTRATOR THIS EVENING . THE PROGRESS THE TEAM HAS MADE OVER THE LAST MONTH AND IN THE ESSENCE OF TIME YOU HAVE A FULL REPORT. FOR PROJECT NUMBER ONE, COUNTY ROAD 218 CONTINUNG WITH THE EXCAVATION AS WELL AS INSTALLING THE DRAINAGE STRUCTURES, THE PROJECT IS ON SCHEDULE WITH 60% PAID OUT. FOR PROJECT NUMBER TWO CONTINUING THE INSTALLATION OF THE STORM DRAIN SYSTEM. THE ROAD CLOSURE AND DO TOUR AROUND THE RAILROAD CROSSING THE START OF THE WEEK, THE FORECAST HAS RUN FOR AN EXTENDED PERIOD OF TIME DUE TO THE IMPACTS CAUSED BY HURRICANE HELENE AS WELL AS MILTON. DUE TO THE IMPACT OF THIS HURRICANE ALSO ACROSS THE UNITED STATES, IT WAS CALLED OFF OF OUR PROJECT AND REASSIGNED TO OTHER AREAS IT IS CAUSING THE EXTENSION TO THE TIME OF THE DETOUR. THEY ARE NOW BACK WORKING THEY CONTINUE THE FABRICATION. >> WE ARE HOPING FOR MID DECEMBER IS WHAT OUR FORECAST IS RIGHT NOW. >> FOR PROJECTS THE U.S. ARMY OF ENGINEERS, AND HAS SUBMITTED TO THE COURT, THEY HAVE SUBMITTED TO INCLUDE THEIR WATER AND SEWER WORK INTO THE DESIGN PACKAGE. THE TEAM CONTINUES TO TRACK THE OPERATIONS THROUGH THE CORE. >> HE WATKINS ROAD COMPLETION BASICALLY THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE OPERATION IS AHEAD OF TIME. THE CONCURRENCE FROM THE ENGINEER OR THE RECORD FOR THE FINAL ACCEPTANCE. FOR THIS PROJECT IT IS ON THE EXTENSION OF PROJECT FOUR TO THE ROUNDABOUT TO THE COUNTY ROAD NOW FULLY MOBILIZED. THE UTILITY ROAD RELOCATIONS ARE UNDERWAY. THEY INSTALLED THE FENCING ALL THROUGHOUT THIS. >> IT CONTINUES OUT OF CONSTRUCTION THERE ON Q, 71% OF THE TIME USED. CONSTRUCTION CONTINUES THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE COURT ORDER. IN SUPPORT OF ALL OF THIS WORK, THEY CONTINUE TO WORK ACROSS THE ENTIRE PROGRAM. I WOULD LIKE TO SAY IT HAS BEEN AN ABSOLUTE PLEASURE SERVING UNDERNEATH YOU I WISH YOU THE BEST OF LUCK IN ALL OF YOUR FUTURE ENDEAVORS. >> DESPITE THE FACT DAYS TO PESTER YOU ALL OF THE TIME. >> YOU'RE GETTING THE ASPHALT NOW. >> IT HAS BEEN AN ABSOLUTE PLEASURE THIS CONCLUDES MY REPORT. >> I TEXTED STEVE I DON'T KNOW IF HE HAS BEEN OFF IF YOU COULD JOT THE STONE, THE INTEREST OF GRANARY PARK IS REALLY BAD RIGHT NOW IF YOU COULD GET WITH THEM ON THAT, I'M NOT SURE DIDN'T DRIVE PAST IT YET I DIDN'T SEE AND ALSO THEY WERE DOWN BEFORE SCHOOL STARTED THEY WERE CLOSED DOWN, A LANE THIS MORNING I TOLD HER IS PROBABLY SOMETHING SPECIAL I DON'T THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO BE HAPPENING REGULARLY BUT IF YOU COULD FIND THAT OUT, IT WAS BEFORE 930 SO. >> I KNOW YOU KNOW THAT I'M GETTING LOTS OF COMPLAINTS I HAVE DRIVEN IT BUT I CAN'T REALLY EXPLAIN IT BUT IT'S SOMETHING ABOUT THE WAY ANDERSON COLUMBIA DIDN'T TAKE OUT ALL OF THE CONCRETE DRIVEWAYS SO WHEN THEY ARE GETTING PEOPLE OFF, IT IS REALLY UNEVEN AND REALLY UNSTABLE SO THEY JUST DID A LITTLE BIT MORE WORK, THE RESIDENTS SAY IT WOULD HAVE BEEN BETTER. [05:00:07] >> WHAT THEY'VE DONE IS THEY HAVE DIVERTED TRAFFIC TO THE NORTH SIDE IT'S TEMPORARY, THE TEMPORARY ASPHALT ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE ROAD. >> YES, IT IS TO SAY THE LEAST, THAT IS TEMPORARY, THEY MAKE THE SHIFT WITH THE WORK IN ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE ROAD. A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE SAYING THAT IT'S AND ALSO THERE IS BUMPS AND IT DOES SOMEWHAT HELP SLOW DOWN THE TRAFFIC AS THEY PASS THROUGH THE CONSTRUCTION ZONE. A LOT OF PEOPLE CONSIDER 218 NOT NECESSARILY A RACE TRACK BUT THEY DO MOVE THROUGH THEIR QUITE EFFICIENTLY. SO, IT DOES SLOW THE TRAFFIC DOWN. >> EVEN IF THEY WENT AHEAD AND DID THE TEMPORARY ASPHALT THE WHOLE WAY, IT WOULD BE A LOT BETTER. >> WE WILL TAKE A LOOK. >> OKAY, THANK YOU. >> I BROUGHT WITH ME FOR A [31.  Brief on Road List (R. Smith)] PAVEMENT UPDATES OUR SENIOR CONSTRUCTION MANAGER AND CHARLES MILLER WHO IS OUR INSPECTOR. OUR INFIELD INSPECTOR, HE JUST DOES A TERRIFIC JOB I DON'T KNOW IT'S GOING TO HELP WITHOUT YAWLS CONFIDENCE SO, SINCE 2020 , EARL IS GOING TO RUN THE SLIDESHOW I WILL DO AN INTRODUCTION. SINCE 2020 WE HAVE RESEARCHED 43 DIRT ROADS, IT MEANS THEY HAVE BEEN MILLED, THEY ARE MUCH IMPROVED, 28 ROADS THAT WILL BE RESURFACED, WE ARE LOOKING AT IN FIVE YEARS RIGHT AT 405 ROADS AT THE 1500+ ROAD THAT WE HAVE TOUCHED SIGNIFICANTLY TOUCHED WE HAVE, OKAY NOW WE HAVE TO LET EARL GET STARTED HERE BUT WE ARE DOING THIS QUICK, WE HAVE CONDENSED THE VERSION YOU'VE GOT >> WE STILL HAVE THE MAJOR COLLECTORS ON THEIR WHICH IS ABOUT 80% OF THE BUDGET WHERE WE TRY TO KEEP IT OAKLEY VILLAGE PARKWAY AND TOWNCENTER NORTH AND SOUTH WHERE WE ARE TRYING TO MINIMIZE THE CYCLE OF THE MOTOR GRADERS WERE WE CAN BE UTILIZED WHERE THE ROADS NEEDED IT THE MOST INSTEAD OF THESE ROADS. >> THIS IS OUR GREATER ROAD IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM IT WAS A DIRT ROAD. WE WANT TO GO OUT THERE AND MAKE THE ROAD BETTER. AND DISTRICT 4 AND THEY RECENTLY CAME ACROSS THE HILL WHICH IS ANOTHER FORM OF PAYMENT. THE 23-24 CYCLE WAS OVER AND WE WERE. IT IS GOING TO BE ABOUT $400,000 TO PAVE IT THE SPANISH MOSS BUT ALSO DID ALL OF THESE SMALL ROADS AND HERE'S THE PRODUCT THAT WE PUT DOWN. WE HAVE SOUND WITH THIS? I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE SOUND, [05:05:06] BUT GO AHEAD. YOU MAY HAVE TO TOUCH THAT. CAN YOU STARTED? THERE YOU GO. THIS IS THE COMPLETE ROAD. THIS IS A LOW TRAFFIC ROAD TYPICALLY. PROBABLY THE BEST THING ABOUT THIS THAT I LIKED ABOUT IT IS YOU CAN START DRIVING ON IT NOW, YOU DON'THAVE TO WAIT 30 MINUTES, THIS ISN'T SOMETHING WE CAN USE ON HIGH-VOLUME ROADS, THEY ARE KNOWN AS CHIP SEAL ROADS BUT WE HAVE A SAMPLE OF THAT YEAR AND THIS WAS AN IDEA THAT CAME OUT OF SOME EXPERIMENT SO WE ARE GOING TO CALL THEM CHIP ROADS HERE IF YOU GET THE FIRST PIECE OF IT. SO HOPEFULLY THIS IS THE PILOT PROGRAM, I HAVE DRIVEN IT IT IS VERY GOOD. >> WE HAVE A PRETTY LIMITED BUDGET AND HOPEFULLY WE CAN PUT A FEW PERCENTAGE POINTS OF NOT. AND YOU GO THROUGH ANOTHER SYSTEM WHERE YOU ACTUALLY, A ONCE EVERY 10 YEAR MAINTENANCE ON THIS ROAD IT IS A MINIMAL COST . IT'S WHAT YOU SEE WHEN SOMEONE SAYS THEY RESURFACED THEIR PARKING LOT AND IT LOOKS A LOT DARKER THAN IT DID BEFORE. IT IS A GOOD MAINTENANCE PRODUCT THAT KEEPS A LOT MORE EMOTION WHALES IN THE PAVEMENT KEEPS IT GOING WE ARE GOING TO SEE IF THIS WORKS AND WE MAY HAVE SOME SURPRISES IF THIS LOOKS PRETTY GOOD IN THE NEXT THREE TO FOUR MONTHS, WE MAY MAKE SOME CHANGES NEXT YEAR ON SOME OF THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE ARE DOING. THAT IS WHY WE ARE CALLED DIRT ROAD IMPROVEMENTS. >> YOU WANT TO CYCLE IT EVERY 10 YEARS TO KEEP THE PEBBLES IN AND JUST LIKE ANYTHING LIKE CHANGING OIL IN THE CAR YOU JUST HAVE TO MAINTAIN IT. YOU'RE STILL TWO THIRDS MAYBE A THIRD LOWER THAN WHAT THE COST WOULD BE SPEAKING OF FULL DIRT ROAD PAVING, THIS IS ROSEMARY THAT WE DID LAST YEAR. THIS IS THE FULL REPAIR, WE DID A FULL ASPHALT ON IT IT IS A HIGHER TROUBLE THE ROAD AND WE ENDED UP GETTING AN AWARD FROM DISTRICT TWO OUT OF IT. >> THIS IS ALSO A CASE, THIS IS A HIGHER VOLUME ROAD KIND OF IS A MINI LOCAL RESIDENTIAL COLLECTOR THAT SERVES A BUNCH OF OTHER DIRT ROADS OR TRAFFIC OTHER THAN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD STREET SO THAT'S WHY WE WANT WITH THE FULL SECTION THERE. DIRT ROAD A PAVEMENT ANOTHER ONE WE DID DENNISON AND BAYLOR, THE DIRT ROAD FIXED THE BASE ON ITS. >> WE WENT TO NASHVILLE LAST YEAR AND A LOT OF COUNTIE ACROSS THE STATES IS GOING TO A PAVEMENT MANAGEMENT PROGRAM SO WE ARE TRYING TO GET THAT INTO OUR PROGRAM SO WHILE THERE IS ONE-SIZE-FITS-ALL SOLUTION THE COUNTY STREETS, PARKING LOTS IN THE STATES WITHIN BUDGET, A LOT OF TIMES PEOPLE SAY JUST PUT ASPHALT ON THE GROUND. THERE'S MORE TO IT THAN JUST PUTTING ASPHALT ON THE GROUND SOMETIMES. >> WE DO LISTEN TO GOOD IDEAS. >> OF COURSE WE HAVE OUR STANDARD ROAD IMPROVEMENTS WE USE THE GRANTS OUT IN THE HIGHER RIDGE WE EVEN USED SOME FUNDS FOR SOME OF THE ROADS. WE GOT THAT ONE PAVED AND IT TURNED OUT WELL. >> WE ARE FORTUNATE THIS YEAR WE ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO PAVE FLORIDA D.O.T. FUNDING, WE WILL [05:10:05] TAKE IT FROM WHEREVER IT COMES FROM AND USE IT HOPEFULLY PROPERLY. WE ARE GOING TO PAVE A FIVE DIRT ROADS TWO STREAKS IN THE MIDDLE PART OF KEYSTONE WHICH NEEDS TO BE DESIGNED HILLTOP IN LAKEVIEW AND MELROSE ROAD. THIS TIME OF THE YEAR THE COMPANIES TYPICALLY ARE REJUVENATING, GETTING THEIR EQUIPMENT BACK IN ORDER WE WILL SEE A LOT OF ACTIVITY UNTIL JANUARY. I THINK THE FIRST RESURFACING JOB YOU WILL SEE WILL BE 250. >> COLLEGE DRIVE WILL BE RESURFACING . ANYTHING ELSE? ANY QUESTIONS? >> YOU NEED TO HAVE A PRETTY GOOD FOUNDATION TO START. >> IF THERE IS SIGNIFICANT REFLECTIVE CRACKING THERE ARE GUIDELINES. YOU HAVE TO DO A FULL RESEARCH ON THAT. IF IT IS THE 60 OR UP RANGE, WE WILL EVALUATE IF WE CAN GET UP TO IT, IT IS THE MAIN GOAL AND THAT'S WHAT WE WILL DO, EVERY ROAD STILL HAS T■O E SSESSED AND THE BEST OPTION. >> IT'S NOT LIKE WE'VE GOT TO GO IN AND DO ANY WORK TO THE UPPER SIX INCHES OR 12 INCHES IT'S PRETTY MUCH, WE CAN GET THAT DONE WITH THE LAST COUPLE OF CYCLES IN THE DIRT ROAD GRADING PROCESS. THEY KNOW THE ROAD IS COMING UP FOR IMPROVEMENT, THEY START CHANGING THEIR GRADING TECHNIQUES WE START OVERSEEING SOME OF THAT WITH THEM AND HELP THEM GET IT DONE RIGHT. BUT WE HAVE FOUND OUT IS WHAT WE ARE DOING WITH OUR MILLINGS WHEN THEY GO THROUGH THE PROCESS OF BEING PREPARED AT OUR PITS AT THE PILES THEY ARE EXCELLENT, MUCH BETTER FROM GROWING STRAIGHT FROM IT, WE HAD PLANS TO TAKE THE 215 DIRECTLY TO THE DIRT ROADS. PROBABLY YOU ARE GOING TO BACK OFF ON THAT AND TAKE THEM TO THE PIT FOR THEM TO BE PROCESSED IT'S JUST A MUCH BETTER PRODUCT. >> THE ROAD YOU JUST SAW WERE ACTUALLY MILLED ABOUT SIX MONTHS AGO I THINK >> SO THEY WERE DRIVEN ON FOR ABOUT SIX MONTHS BY THE RESIDENTS OF THAT AREA WE WERE ABLE TO COME IN AND IT'S NOT MUCH MORE THAN, I THINK THEY MAY HAVE DONE, I THINK THEY SWEPT IT AND DID SOME SHOULDER WORK, LITERALLY SWEPT IT AND WENT STRAIGHT TO CHIP SEAL. >> THE ELECTRONIC EVALUATION WE DID IN 2020 AND 2021 TO SHOW WE COULD EVALUATE THE CONDITION AND GET THE CONDITION INDEX. >> WE ARE GOING TO PROBABLY ROLLED OUT IN TO NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET. AGAIN HAVING TOUCHED ALMOST 350 PAVED ROADS, WE ARE LOOKING FOR SOME IMPROVED NUMBERS SO GIVE US ANOTHER 28 ROADS THIS YEAR AS WELL AS, WE WILL PROBABLY HAVE IT, THAT IS ABOUT A $250,000 LIFT. DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION? >> IT IS ON OUR STRATEGIC PLAN. >> THE AVERAGE IS 71 RIGHT NOW WE REALLY KNOW WHERE THE PROBLEMS ARE, THIS WILL BE A POINT ON THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR WE ARE JUST GOING TO GET BETTER AND BETTER. IT IS A GREAT TEAM, THEY REALLY HAVE A LOT OF EXPERIENCE NOW. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR RICHARD? WELL, [32.  Welcome Monument Signs (K. Morgan)] WELCOME MONUMENT SIGNS AND WELCOME KIMBERLY . >> GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS WE ARE BRINGING BEFORE YOU A LIST OF THE WELCOME MONUMENT SIGNS, WE HAVE MET WITH [05:15:02] ENGINEERING AND GOT SOME OF RICHARD SMITH'S EXPERTISE WE HAVE THREE ON THE PRIORITY LIST AND WE ARE ASKING FOR YOUR BLESSING WITH THOSE. THEY ARE PARK AVENUE AND I-295. ALSO BLANDING BOULEVARD WE WILL BE WORKING WITH THE CITY OF KEYSTONE HEIGHTS WE WILL BE WORKING WITH F D.O.T. ON THAT. THE ADDITION OF CHEST WILL COAX FOR CONSIDERATION AND SO WE WILL BE ASKING YOU TO BLESS THAT PART TOO THE THREE SIGNS IN ADDITION TO THAT JUST SO YOU'RE AWARE THERE MAY BE AN OPPORTUNITY WHERE THERE IS AN ACTUAL COUNTY LINE. WE WILL CRAFT AND PARTNERSHIP WITH OUR SIGNED SHOP IT IS BRANDED AND ALLOWS PEOPLE TO KNOW THAT IT'S NOT JUST THE BROWN OR THE GREEN SINUSES WELCOME TO CLAY COUNTY IT IS BRANDED AND THEY KNOW THEY ARE ENTERING CLEAN -- CLAY COUNTY. >> I DON'T LOVE THE KEYSTONE HEIGHTS ONE . >> IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT. IT HAS TO DO WITH THE CENTER OF TOWN IS NOT A COUNTY LINE AND IT IS FULLY IN CLAY COUNTY. THERE ARE THREE DIFFERENT WAYS INTO CLAY COUNTY FROM KEYSTONE AND SO I'D BE REALLY INTERESTED IN FACT I HAVE ON MY LITTLE PAPER. I REALLY WOULD RATHER HOLD OFF ON THAT ONE, A PLACE I THINK COULD BE A GREAT PLACE FOR THE BIGGER ONE EVEN THOUGH IT IS ALSO NOT EXACTLY A COUNTY LINE IS THE ONE THAT IS A MEDIUM PRIORITY BECAUSE IT DEFINITELY IS AN ENTRYWAY THE PEOPLE ARE COMING IN I DON'T KNOW, OTHER PEOPLE COULD WEIGH IN ON THAT BUT I THINK THE KEYSTONE ISSUE IF THERE IS ONE BIG ONE IN A TOWN, I DON'T KNOW ARE YOU THINKING LIKE AT THE NEW WELCOME CENTER THAT THEY SAY THEY ARE GOING TO PUT THERE? >> YES, RIGHT THERE AT THE CORNER. >> THAT CORNER IS GOING TO GET WIPED OUT, I DON'T WANT OUR SIDE TO BE WIPED OUT, PEOPLE GO THROUGH THEIR FAST AND WHEN THE TRUCKS TURN IN THE SEMI'S TURN, LET THE CITY BUILD THEIR LITTLE WELCOME CENTER AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS. IF THEIR WALLS GET HIT, MAYBE WE WILL PUT UP A LITTLE SIGN IT JUST FEELS TO ME WRONG. I WOULD TOTALLY SUPPORT A LITTLE SIGN COMING IN FROM SOUTH OF MELROSE ON 21. AND IN ON 100 AND SAME FROM BRADFORD COUNTY AND THOSE ARE DEFINITE COUNTY LINES BEFORE EVERYBODY BLOWS ME UP WITH MY GEOGRAPHY. >> I HAVE A COMMENT I THINK THE PLACEMENT OF THE SIGN CAN DELINEATE BOTH CLAY COUNTY, WE OUGHT TO BE ABLE TO MERGE THOSE TWO INTO ONE AND THERE IS A HUGE PIECE OF THE LAND THAT I DON'T KNOW WHY THEY WOULD EVEN OBJECT. YOU CAN MAKE IT AS BIG AS YOU WANT THERE IS A PIECE OF LAND THERE DON'T KNOW HOW IT HAPPENED BUT IT LOOKS LIKE ABOUT A HALF ACRE ON THE SOUTHBOUND 17 SO I CAN IMAGINE THEY WOULD APPROVE THAT BUT THAT WOULD BE AN IDEAL LOCATION . >> WE ARE MAKING MODIFICATIONS. I'VE GOT THAT YOU WANT US TO -- >> ALL OF THIS IS ALL DEPENDENT ON F D.O.T. PERMITTING AS WELL SO I MEAN WE WILL KEEP YOU UPDATED AND THE PROGRESS WE JUST NEED A DIRECTION ON THE BLESSING OF THESE THREE THAT I GUESS YOU ALL NEED TO TELL US [05:20:06] WHETHER YOU WANT TO CHANGE THE KEYSTONE HEIGHTS TO THE 218. >> THE OTHER PART OF THE PARCEL DOESN'T EVEN FACE THE RIGHT DIRECTION. >> WE HAVE LOOKED AT IT, YOU CAN'T SEE IT COMING FROM BRADFORD, MAYBE YOU CAN SEE IT COMING FROM PUTNAM OR SHIFTED OVER WHAT I DO LIKE ABOUT IT IS THAT THEY ARE PRETTY LIBERAL WITH THE LAND BETWEEN THE TRAIL AND 100. THEY EVEN OFFER THAT THE ESTATE SIGN COULD GO THERE. THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY MAYBE INSTEAD OF PUTTING IT AT THE PUTNAM COUNTY LINE WE MAY BE PUT IT SOMEWHERE IN THAT WHERE THE TRAIL IN THE ROAD COME TOGETHER. WE JUST NEED TO LOOK AND SEE ON THE CENTER OF THE TOWN IT WAS TOUGH YOU GO FROM PUTNAM TO CLAY TO BRADFORD YOU DON'T REALLY HAVE A DEFINED EDGE ON THE SOUTH END. >> WHERE YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO PUT IT AND I THINK IT IS ACTUALLY OUR PROPERTY IT WOULD KINDA MAKE SENSE WHERE THEY HAVE THE KEY, THE D.O.T. HAS ALREADY APPROVED THE KEY FOR THE BIG KEYSTONE RIGHT THERE AT OUR BOAT RAMP THAT EVENTUALLY WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO CLOSE BECAUSE THE WATERS GOING TO COME UP TOO HIGH IF THE CITY WOULD AGREE TO THAT AND I THINK THAT IS COUNTY PROPERTY. >> THAT IS AN EASY LIFT BECAUSE IT IS OURS THAT LOOKS LIKE WE SHOULD GET PERMITTED MAYBE UNDER CONSTRUCTION AS EARLY AS MARCH OR APRIL. THAT WOULD BE A NICE PLACE TO PUT THAT ON 218 NOT AT 301 BUT ACROSS THE RAILROAD TRACKS. AFTER YOU GET THROUGH ALL OF THE CONFUSION. >> THAT WOULD BE A VERY GOOD ALTERNATIVE AT THIS TIME. >> WITH THE SAME THING BE TRUE FOR CHEST WHAT OAKS AND ALSO WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO BE GOING BY D.O.T., WOULD WE? >> CHEST WAKE OAKS AND NOT TO BRAG ON THE GUYS THAT JUST LEFT, YOU'RE GOING TO GO FROM KIND OF LIKE THE DRIVE YOU KNOW WHERE YOU LEAD BRADFORD COUNTY YOU KNOW, YOU LITERALLY GET OFF OF A SMOOTH ROAD, YOU'RE REALLY GOING TO BE HAPPY WHEN YOU START RESURFACING OUR 230 NEXT YEAR. IT WOULD PROBABLY BE ONE WHERE UNTIL WE GET THE FULL CONNECTION AND ALL OF THAT MADE, THE NICE SIGNED SHOP BASED ON WHAT KIMBERLY AND WHOEVER GETS INVOLVED ON THE PRESENTATION , MAYBE WE CAN COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT LOOKS KIND OF NICE RATHER THAN JUST THE STANDARD STATE OF FLORIDA ISSUE ENTERING CLAY COUNTY, THE KEY TO THIS WHOLE THING THE MOST BEAUTIFUL ONE, THAT ONE IS REALLY MAINTAINED WELL. IT IS AN ATTRACTION ACTUALLY. A D.O.T. TOLD ME THAT THEY ARE GOING TO BE FINISHED IN JANUARY THAT'S WHY WE MOVED IT UP IN PRIORITY. THEY ARE SAYING THAT'S THEIR DATE. >> THEY ARE GETTING CLOSE. >> I'M JUST MAKING CLEAR, I AM IN FAVOR OF THE SIGNS. AFTER SEEING HIM ON THE VIDEO HE STILL MAD. I'M ALL IN ON THE SIGNS. [33.  Library Services - Long Range Plan 2025-2028] >> WE ARE ON TO NEW BUSINESS LIBRARY, SURE. >> GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS TODAY, TONIGHT I WOULD LIKE TO PRESENT YOU THE NEWEST LONG-RANGE PLAN FOR THE LIBRARY TO TAKE US FROM 2025 TO 2028 IS PART OF OUR STATE REQUIREMENTS WE STRIVE TO PROVIDE RESOURCES AND PROGRAMS THAT WILL INFORM, [05:25:01] CONNECT AND INSPIRE OUR LIBRARY USERS. THE LIBRARY SYSTEM IS FOCUSED ON SEVEN GOALS. COLLECTIONS, COMMUNITY, STAFF, AND FACILITIES. GOAL NUMBER ONE IS SERVICE, I BELIEVE AS A LIBRARIAN AND AS SOMEONE WHO HAS WORKED IN SERVICE OR WHOLE LIFE THAT SERVICE SHOULD BE THE NUMBER ONE GOAL FOR THE LIBRARY SYSTEM. THE LIBRARY PROVIDES FREE SERVICES FOR ALL AGES. THERE ARE THREE DIFFERENT WAYS THAT WE ARE FOCUSED ON INCREASING AND IMPROVING OUR SERVICE. I AM PROPOSING THAT BEGINNING ON JANUARY THE SIXTH, WE OPEN ALL OF OUR LIBRARY BRANCHES AT 9:00 IN THE MORNING INSTEAD OF JUST ON FRIDAYS AND SATURDAYS. ALL WE ARE DOING IS JUST CHANGING STAFF SCHEDULE SO THAT THEY WILL BE COMING IN AT 830 IN THE MORNING INSTEAD OF 930 -- 9:30 . I FIND THAT THERE ARE BOTH MOMS THAT COME IN WITH THEIR CHILDREN THAT WOULD BE APPRECIATIVE BEING ABLE TO COME IN EARLY. I BELIEVE THIS WOULD BE AN ENHANCEMENT TO THEM. WE ARE GOING TO BE INCREASING PROGRAMS AND ENGAGEMENT TO MEET THE STRATEGIC PLANS OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS, WE ARE ALREADY WORKING ON IT. PROGRAMS WILL INCREASE BY 20% AND ENGAGEMENT WILL INCREASE BY 35%. I CAN TELL YOU PROBABLY THAT ENGAGEMENT FOR 2024 HAS ALREADY INCREASED 16%, WE ARE ALMOST AT 5% ON PROGRAMS. ENGAGEMENT IS EXCELLENT. >> WE'RE WORKING ON A GRANT TO DO THAT THIS YEAR AND I KNOW THAT THE I.T. DEPARTMENT HAS ALSO GOTTEN SOME OTHER FUNDS TO HELP US WITH THAT SITUATION. >> OUR GOAL NUMBER TWO IS A LITERACY TO PROMOTE LITERACY THAT SUPPORT LITERACY, ONLINE LEARNING AND READINESS FOR ALL AGES. WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO INCORPORATE LITERACY SKILLS, WE ENSURE THAT EVERY CHILD READY TO READ WHICH IS TALKING, WRITING, SINGING, READING, AND PLAYING SHOULD BE INCORPORATED INTO ALL OF OUR CHILDREN'S PLAYING. WE ARE VERY EXCITED ABOUT IT, THEY ARE ENABLING US TO PUT A BOOK IN THE HANDS OF EVERY NEWBORN IN CLAY COUNTY WE ARE STARTING WITH CLAY HOSPITAL AND WITH THOSE FUNDS WE PURCHASED A BAG, INSIDE THAT BAG EVERY CHILD, EVERY MOM, DAD, PARENT WILL RECEIVE A BID THAT SAYS BORN TO READ, THEY WILL GET A LITTLE LIBRARY CARD HOLDER ALONG WITH AN APPLICATION FOR A LIBRARY CARD. IT INCLUDES LITERACY AND THE IMPORTANCE OF READING TO CHILDREN. THE OTHER THING THEY ARE GOING TO GET HIS VERY FIRST BOOK FOR THEIR CHILD. THEY WILL RECEIVE A BOARD BOOK. THE BOOKS ARE BEING PROVIDED THROUGH A SPONSORSHIP AND THE OTHER ITEMS ARE THREE GRANTS TO INCLUDE THE OTHER HOSPITALS AS WELL. >> WE HAVE TO ENSURE THAT EVERYONE IS ABLE TO READ, WE JUST RECENTLY HAD A NEW GED GRADUATE FROM THOSE CLASSES THAT IS VERY EXCITING. WE ALSO HAVE ENGLISH AS SECOND LANGUAGE CLASSES. >> FINANCIAL LITERACY IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT AND WE ARE GOING TO BE WORKING THEM INTO THE BUDGET THIS YEAR. WE'RE PLACING THE VALUE LINE, THE REASON WE ARE CHOOSING THIS, THE DATABASE ON BANKS AND CREDIT UNIONS, STOCKS AND IN ADDITION TO THAT, IT ALSO GIVES INFORMATION ON MEDICAL [05:30:01] SUPPLEMENTS, WE ARE NOT TELLING THEM WHAT BANKS TO USE, WE WILL BE ABLE TO OFFER CLASSES. THE INDIVIDUALS WILL LEARN HOW TO USE THAT SO THEY CAN DO THAT ON THEIR OWN. FINALLY WE ARE GOING TO ACQUIRE THE DATABASE. WE FEEL THAT WILL ALSO BE ANOTHER BENEFIT. FOR LEARNING AND CREATING AN A VARIETY OF THE WAYS. WE HAVE LITTLE EXPLORERS AND LITTLE CREATORS WE ARE GOING TO ADD NEW ROBOTICS. SOME OF THEM ARE SMALLER AND STUDENTS WILL BE ABLE TO USE THEM YOU PURCHASE LARGER KITS THAT WE WILL BE ABLE TO USE FOR PROGRAMMING SO THAT THEY CAN HAVE AN ONGOING PROGRAMMING TO USE THE SAME KIT UNTIL THE PRODUCT IS BUILT. WE ARE ALSO COLLABORATING WITH COMMUNITY PARTNERS TO OFFER TOPICS >> WE WILL MAINTAIN AND ENHANCE THE PHYSICAL AND ONLINE COLLECTIONS WITH AN EMPHASIS ON READING MATERIALS, RESEARCH SERVICES AND E RESOURCES. WE USE THE JOURNALS TO MONITOR AND IDENTIFY USER TRENDS SO WE WILL CONTINUE TO DO THAT. WE ARE GOING TO BE INCREASING THE NUMBER TO REDUCE HOLD TIMES, CURRENTLY WHAT WE DO OR WHAT WE DID IS WHEN WE PURCHASED THESE , WE WOULD PURCHASE A NEW BOOK WE WOULD OUT ANOTHER ONE TO THE COLLECTION OR SHORTENING THE WHOLE TIME SO WE ARE PURCHASING MORE BOOKS SO THAT PATRONS ARE NOT WAITING. WE ALSO USED THE COMPANY SO THAT WHEN YOU HAVE A BEST SELLER, WE ARE ONLY GOING TO PURCHASE SO MANY BOOKS FOR THE COLLECTION BUT WE CAN LEASE BOOKS SO THAT IT WILL SATISFY AND THEY WILL BE ABLE TO GET THEIR BOOKS SOONER. >> WE ARE ACTUALLY GOING TO WAIT UNTIL 2026 FOR THAT, SO LIBRARY OF THINGS OFFERS SOMETHING BESIDES JUST BOOKS AND AUDIOBOOKS . YOU CAN CHECK OUT THE FISHING POLES, IT IS ENDLESS, THE AMOUNT OF THINGS WITH THE TOOLS, WE WILL OFFER A LIBRARY OF THINGS FOR ALL OF OUR PATRONS. WE ARE THINKING ABOUT HOW WE CAN DO IT SO THEY COULD PUT A SPECIFIC OLD ON A SPECIFIC ITEM FOR A SPECIFIC DATE SO THEY HAVE A DIY PROGRAM AT HOME, THEY ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO BORROW SOMETHING FROM US WITHOUT HAVING TO SPEND ON IT. THIS CURRENT YEAR WE WILL BE REQUESTING OR APPLYING FOR A GRANT SO, WE FOCUSED ON THE YOUNG, WE ARE FOCUSING ON STEM IN THE MIDDLE, WE ARE ABLE TO ASSIST PATIENTS WITH COGNITIVE DECLINE SO THEY WILL HAVE ITEMS IN THERE SUCH AS PUZZLES, BOOKS, IN SOME CASES DVDS, COULD BE FIDGET TOOLS OR LITTLE THINGS THAT REMIND THEM OF THE PAST. WE ARE GOING TO BE CREATING BOXES I KNOW IN MY PAST WHEN MY MOM WAS ALIVE, WE HAD TO DO THINGS TO ASSIST HER. THIS IS THE SAME KIND OF THING SO WE CAN ASSIST THE SENIOR PART OF OUR POPULATION. >> GOAL NUMBER FIVE IS A COMMUNITY, WE COMMUNICATE WITH OUR COMMUNITY ALL THE TIME ESPECIALLY THROUGH OUR ENGAGEMENT . SO AS PART OF THE STRATEGIC PLAN THE LIBRARY WILL ALSO BE UPDATING A NEW STRATEGIC PLAN THREE OF US HAVE ALREADY TAKEN FACILITATION TRAINING SO WE ARE GOING TO MODEL THE WAY THAT WE HANDLE OUR LIBRARIES THE SAME WAY THAT CLAY COUNTY WAS. WE ARE GOING TO DO IT IN-HOUSE SO THAT WE CAN HEAR FROM ALL OF THE COMMUNITY ABOUT WHAT THEY WANT TO SEE IN THEIR LIBRARY MOVING [05:35:04] FORWARD. WILL HAVE INCREASD AWARENESS THROUGH OUR INCREASED OUTREACH AND INCREASED CULTURAL PROGRAMS TO PROVIDE INDIVIDUALS WITH SOCIAL AS WELL AS EDUCATIONAL OPPORTUNITIES. WE ARE FINDING IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT IN THE TRENDS AND LIBRARIES NOW SO THAT PEOPLE NEED A PLACE WHERE THEY CAN GO AND MEET, WE HAVE A PROGRAM CALLED SIT AND STITCH . TYPICALLY THE LADIES IN THIS CASE, THEY COME IN AND THEY EACH BRING WHAT THEY LIKE TO MAKE. CAN BE CROCHET, KNITTING, EMBROIDERY, THEY ALL BRING IN WHATEVER THEY ARE WORKING ON. WE HAVE FOUND IT IS A SOCIAL OUTLET MORE THAN ANYTHING ELSE. WE ARE NOT NECESSARILY TEACHING THEM ANYTHING WE ARE GIVING THEM AN OPPORTUNITY TO TALK TO EACH OTHER. STAFF, WE COULDN'T DO WHAT WE DO WITHOUT OUR WONDERFUL STAFF. WE HELD THE FIRST ANNUAL LIBRARY STAFF DEVELOPMENT DAY SINCE I HAVE BEEN WITH THE LIBRARY SYSTEM. IT IS A DAY OF TRAINING AND RECOGNITION. THIS COMING YEAR WE WILL BE TALKING ABOUT BACK TO THE BASICS. WE ARE PROVIDING STAFF TRAINING OPPORTUNITIES FOR ALL STAFF IN THE LIBRARY SYSTEM AND THIS ALSO WILL MEET THE STRATEGIC PLAN. CURRENTLY REQUIRES 24 HOURS OF STAFF DEVELOPMENT FOR ALL STAFF WE ARE GOING TO REQUIRE 40 HOURS FOR FULL-TIME IN 24 HOURS FOR PART-TIME. WE HAVE ALREADY BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS AND THE NEWEST MEMBER OF OUR BRANCH MANAGERS HAS ALREADY STARTED ONE HOUR A WEEK FOR EACH OF HER STAFF MEMBERS TO HAVE DEVELOPMENT TIME. IT MIGHT BE SOMETHING THEY'RE INTERESTED IN LEARNING AND, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THEY GET THE TIME TO GIVE IT THEY NEED. LAST BUT NOT LEAST, THE FACILITIES, WE ARE REORGANIZING THE INSIDE OF OUR BRANCHES TO ALLOW MORE SEATING AND EASIER ACCESSIBILITY, WE HAVE ALREADY ADDED ADDITIONAL CHAIRS, THE MANAGER SAYS, THE FIRST DAY WE ARE DOING THE SAME THING WE'RE MOVING SOME STOCKS OUT AND MAKING SOME MORE GATHERING PLACES AND FINALLY WE ARE GOING TO DESIGN AND BUILD OUR SIXTH LIBRARY IN OAKLEY WE HAD OUR VERY FIRST MEETING ON FRIDAY, VERY FIRST MEETING I'M VERY EXCITED ABOUT THAT. THE COMMUNITY DESERVES THAT AND IT'S VERY NEEDED SO I HOPE THEY'RE GOING TO BE JUST AS EXCITED AS I AM, I AM LOOKING FORWARD TO GOING OUT THERE WHEN WE DO OUR STRATEGIC PLANNING TO REALLY HEAR WHAT THEY HAVE TO SAY AND TO GET THEIR INPUT, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME AT ALL ABOUT ANYTHING I'VE SAID OR SOMETHING YOU THINK I'VE MISSED? >> YOU MENTIONED A SOCIAL ASPECT OF STITCH CLUB? >> THAT WAS JUST AN EXAMPLE OF SOMETHING THAT WE DO, PEOPLE CAN COME TOGETHER AND THEY SIT AND STITCH, THEY TALK TO EACH OTHER AND HAVE LITTLE SOCIAL TIME. WE HAVE BOOK CLUBS AND THAT IS ANOTHER TIME THAT INDIVIDUALS GET TOGETHER AND TALK ABOUT THE SAME BUT, EVERY ONE OF OUR BRANCHES HAS A BOOK CLUB RUN BY STAFF, THE BOOKS ARE CHOSEN BY THE INDIVIDUALS IN THE BOOK CLUB IT GIVES INDIVIDUALS AN OPPORTUNITY TO NOT ONLY JUST READ A BOOK BUT TALK ABOUT A BOOK AND DEVELOP CONNECTIONS WITH OTHER PEOPLE WHO ARE INTERESTED IN THE SAME TYPES. >> HAVE YOU EVER THOUGHT ABOUT COLLABORATING WITH A COFFEE SHOP TO HAVE A BOOK CLUB? WE ALREADY HAVE A COLLABORATION RIGHT NOW AND THAT IS BECAUSE SPRINGS DOES NOT HAVE A MEETING ROOM IT IS VERY SUCCESSFUL, WE HAVE 24 PEOPLE THE LAST MONTH THAT WE WERE THERE. WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT, WE HAVE A NEW COFFEE SHOP AND WE ARE LOOKING AT SOME OTHERS AS WELL TO DO THAT. >> MY ASKED TONIGHT IS THAT YOU PLEASE VOTE AND APPROVE . >> I WILL MOVE APPROVAL. >> SECOND. THE PLAY COUNTY LIBRARY SYSTEM 2045-2028. [34.  Discussion of the State and Local Government Series Securities (SLGS) and Boards direction. (T. Green)] >> GOOD JOB, MARY. >> NOW WE ARE AT THE ITEM [05:40:06] EVERYBODY IS WAITING FOR. >> YOU CAN'T BEAT LIBRARY, THIS WILL ONLY TAKE ABOUT 45 MINUTES, THAT'S ALL. ALL RIGHT SO DID YOU GET THE POWERPOINT, TERESA? I WILL GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED JUST BECAUSE IT'S GETTING LATE SO, I'VE MET WITH EACH OF YOU AND WE TALKED ABOUT THIS THIS IS TO BRING FORWARD DISCUSSION AND HOPEFULLY A DECISION POINT OF HOW WE DEAL WITH THIS. BASICALLY WHERE WE ARE AT IS WE HAVE THE INVESTMENTS FROM THE BOND SERIES FROM 2020 AND THE WAY THE IRS TAX CODE IS WITHIN THE FIRST THREE YEARS WHATEVER EARNINGS YOU ARE IN ON THOSE INVESTMENTS OVER AND ABOVE A PARTICULAR RATE WHICH IS JUST 1.5% WE HAVE FORGIVENESS SO WE GET TO KEEP ALL OF THE INTEREST EARNINGS AND WE DON'T OWE TAXES ON THEM. WE NORMALLY GET SOME NUMBERS IN JULY OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. WE WERE NOTIFIED GOING INTO THE FOURTH YEAR , WE STARTED THESE CONVERSATIONS IN SEPTEMBER AND WE HAD A COUPLE DIFFERENT GROUPS REACH OUT TO US BUT THEY ARE NOW SPLIT, WE HAVE TWO DIFFERENT ENTITIES THAT YOU WILL SEE HERE IN A MINUTE TO HELP US WITH HOW WE CAN OFFSET FUTURE TAX LIABILITIES THAT'S WHY IT IS IMPORTANT THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT IT TONIGHT BECAUSE WE NEED TO MAKE A DECISION SO THAT WE CAN STOP THE TAX LIVE. THIS IS ON THE INTEREST EARNINGS, IT JUST REDUCES THE INVESTMENTS A LITTLE BIT JUST TO OFFSET FOR A LITTLE BIT. YOU CAN GO TO THE NEXT ONE. >> AS OF, AS OF OUR BEST CALCULATION AS OF THE END OF SEPTEMBER WE WERE SITTING RIGHT AROUND -- WE NOW HAVE ABOUT SIX WEEKS ADDED ON TO THAT SO WE ARE PROBABLY LOOKING A LITTLE BIT OVER 600, 650 AND THEY WORKED ON THOSE CALCULATIONS. >> WHAT THE PRODUCTS THEY ARE PROPOSING TO US IS CALLED SLUGS, IT IS A DEMAND FOR STATE AND LOCAL GOVERNMENT AND BASICALLY WHAT THAT DOES IS IT CREATES OUR INVESTMENTS IF WE ENTER INTO THE SECURITIES IT PROTECTS IT FROM FUTURE TAXES, THEY DO EARN LESS BUT WE ARE STILL EARNING. JUST A COUPLE OF HIGHLIGHTS ON THOSE, EVERYBODY IS WORRIED ABOUT THE AVAILABILITY OF FUNDS, THEY ARE AVAILABLE WITHIN ONE TO THREE DAYS DEPENDING ON THE AMOUNT 10 MILLION OR UNDER ITS ONE, 10 MILLION OR OVER ITS THREE. THEY ARE CERTIFICATES HELD IN TRUST BY BANK THERE VERY SECURE. IN LOOKING AT THIS IN LEARNING ABOUT THE SECURITIES, WE DO FEEL LIKE THERE IS ENOUGH INFORMATION OUT THERE AND I WILL TALK ABOUT IT IN A MINUTE THAT WE CAN MONITOR THESE FAIRLY EASILY TO MAKE A -- SURE WE DON'T DIP DOWN. WE FEEL LIKE IT'S SOMETHING THAT MY STAFF COULD PROBABLY MONITOR ON A DAILY BASIS. IF YOU WANTED TO LOOK AT IT YOU WOULD HAVE ACCESS TO IT, IF PUBLIC ACCESS AND UNDER OPPORTUNITY TO SHOW YOU HOW THE RATES ARE MOVING THERE MOVING DOWN BUT THEY ARE MOVING SLOW AND THERE IS STILL A DECENT SPREAD ON THE ACTUAL BONDS. IF YOU WILL LOOK AT THIS PICTURE HERE, THE IMPORTANT PART OF THIS IS THE TWO DIFFERENT PROPOSALS WE'VE RECEIVED, ONE WAS TO THE TUNE ABOUT 20 GRAND FOR THE ISSUANCE FEE, WE COULD DO IT OURSELVES BUT WE ARE NOT EXPERTS THERE ARE A LOT OF HOOPS TO JUMP THROUGH, ONE LETTER OF ENGAGEMENT WAS AROUND 20 GRAND TO A TUNE OF A COUPLE QUARTERS OF FIVE GRAND. THE OTHER ONE WAS STRICTLY THE ISSUANCE FEE [05:45:04] AT 5000. ACTUALLY HAD A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS WITH BOTH OF THE ENTITIES AND WE FELT LIKE, WE GO WITH ASSET MANAGEMENT CHOICE SAVE THE COUNTY A LITTLE BIT OF MONEY AND WE STILL GET WHAT WE NEED WITCHES GOING IN AND GETTING INTO A TAX-EXEMPT POSITION. THAT'S WHERE WE ARE THAT'S WHERE WE PUT IT IN FRONT OF YOU AS OUR RECOMMENDATION AND I WOULD LIKE IN ACTION ON THIS BECAUSE I WOULD LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND GET MOVING. WE DON'T HAVE ANY FUTURE TAX LIABILITY. >> THIS IS A RECOMMENDATION OF THE INVESTMENT. >> CORRECT. WE DID MEET AS AN INVESTMENT COMMITTEE. >> DO YOU WANT TO MAKE THIS YOUR LAST? >> WE HAVE ONE MORE ITEM. >> THE BOTTOM LINE IS THAT THE CLERK WAS KIND ENOUGH TO GET A HOLD OF ALL OF US. WE ARE TASKED WITH GO AHEAD AND DOING SOME MORE RESEARCH. I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE FINDINGS. >> I WILL SECOND THE MOTION. >> I JUST REALIZED THAT THE AMOUNT WE WILL HAVE INVESTED IS BEING DEPLETED EVERY DAY. >> THE OTHER THING IS, OUR FIRE STATION BOMBING THING WILL BE DONE IN THREE YEARS WE ARE ALLOWED TO KEEP EVERYTHING UP TO THREE YEARS. >> THAT'S WHAT THEY ENCOURAGES THAT YOU SPEND AS MUCH IN THOSE THREE YEARS BECAUSE OF THE FORGIVENESS THAT YOU GET, ANY OTHER INVESTMENTS OUTSIDE OF THE BONDS, WE GET TO KEEP WE DO NOT HAVE A TAX LIABILITY TO THOSE. >> IN CONNECTION WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU ARE GIVING US DIRECTION AND THAT BECAUSE THE PROPOSAL WAS UNDER THE COUNTY MANAGER THRESHOLD, IT WILL BE THE COUNTY MANAGER THAT WILL EXECUTE IT. >> THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT I SAID. . ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS ON THIS ISSUE? ALL OF THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE THANK [35.  RFQ No. 23/24-079, General Engineering Consulting Services for Planning and Design of SUN Trail along Old Jennings Road and Long Bay Road (K. Smith)] YOU . ITEM NUMBER 35 THE SUDDEN TRAIL PROJECT WE RECEIVED SEVEN MORE PROPOSALS BACK, I HAD THREE COMMITTEE MEMBERS THAT EVALUATED THESE THE SCORING IS REALLY CLOSE ON THE TOP THREE SO WE ARE BRINGING IT TO THE BOARD TO REVIEW STAFF'S RANKING AND DECIDE IF YOU LIKE TO SEE PRESENTATIONS OR IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH STAFF'S RANKING IF YOU DIDN'T WANT TO SEE PRESENTATIONS FOR THE STATUTE WOULD NEED TO BE A MINIMUM OF THE TOP THREE. >> I THINK WE SHOULD AWARD IT TO THE TOP, THEY HAVE DESIGNS PART OF THE TRAIL THAT IS ON LIVE OAK LANE AND I THINK HAVE DONE GOOD WORK WITH THAT THE ENGAGEMENTS WHEN WE MET WITH THE CITIZENS THEY WERE PRESENT AND WITH OUR ENGINEERING STAFF HELPED ANSWER QUESTIONS. IT'S NOT SURPRISING TO ME I KNOW THAT THEY HAD LOST OUT UNTIL SOME STUFF ON THE COUNTY WE HAD ONE OR TWO MORE PEOPLE THERE, I AM COMFORTBLE WITH THAT BUT -- >> ANYTHING? [05:50:07] >> MY ONLY CONCERN IS THE SPREAD IS VERY NARROW, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT 1500. >> THIRD PLACES LESS THAN A POINT AND A HALF. WE TYPICALLY DON'T, THINKING BACK WHEN WE HAD PRESENTATIONS TO DELAY IT ANOTHER MEETING OR TWO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE REQUIREMENTS ARE BUT THINKING BACK, IS THERE REALLY BEEN THINGS THAT HAVE SWAYED US ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. I WILL DO IT . >> WE ALREADY HAD A MOTION AND A SECOND. >> ANY OTHER CONVERSATION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE . >> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER FOR YOUR EIGHT YEARS. AND ALSO FOR RUNNING THE JUMPS. >> THAT'S RIGHT. [42.  Discussion of Appointment to the Clay County Historic Preservation Board] >> LETTERS FOR ACTION. WE HAVE THE PRESENTATION BOARD FOR DISTRICT ONE. >> ARE YOU SLEEPING OVER THERE, I WILL MOVE APPROVAL. >> ALTHOUGH I WOULD LIKE TO BE. >> WE HAVE A MOTION? >> WE HAVE A MOTION IN A SECOND, QUICK ON THE DRAW. >> LISTEN, I'M EXCITED ANYBODY WANTS TO BE ON THE PRESENTATION BOARD, MOVE QUICKLY. [43.  Acceptance of Resignation from the Affordable Housing Advisory Committee (AHAC)] >> ALL OF THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE . >> ITEM NUMBER 43, ACCEPTANCE OF RESIGNATION FROM THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING ADVISORY ACT BY CAROLYN EDWARDS. YES, WE HAVE TO ACCEPT -- DID WE EVEN VOTE ON THAT? >> MOVE APPROVAL . THE SECOND TO ACCEPT THE RESIGNATION, ALL OF THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. IT PASSES 5-0. ITEM NUMBER 44, [44.  Approval of FS Section 30.49(4) notice to CCSO of their FY 2024/2025 adopted budget.] APPROVAL OF THE FLORIDA STATUE THE NOTICE TO CEASE FISCAL YEAR 24-25 . >> MOVE APPROVAL. >> IS IT RIGHT? >> I'VE WAITED FOR THIS MOMENT FOR A LONG TIME. >> I THINK THERE WAS A DOUBLE,. >> ANY QUESTIONS FOR SHERIFF'S OFFICE ON THAT ONE? NEED A MOTION I THINK. >> I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL OF THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE IT PASSES 5-0. [45.  Bid Opening Tabulations (K. Smith)] >> WE HAVE THE OPENING FOR THE MASTER BANKING SERVICES. [PUBLIC COMMENTS] ANYTHING TO DISCUSS? WE ARE AT THE SECOND PUBLIC COMMENT , JOHN COSBY? >> THANKS FOR YOUR PATIENCE. YOU ARE A DEDICATED SERVANT. >> JOHN COSBY 32068. AND THE EVENTUALLY PRESIDENT OF CAMERON OAKS. WE HAD A BIT OF A PROBLEM FOR A WHILE AND WE TRY TO DO THAT FOR A COUPLE DIFFERENT WAYS TRYING TO BE NICE NEIGHBORS AND TALK TO PEOPLE TALKING DOWN OFF THE EDGE, A LOT OF SPEEDING TO THE [05:55:03] NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE BIGGEST CAUSE WE CAN FIND SO FAR IS THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS MARKED 30 MILES AN HOUR. DRIVING THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF 30 MILES AN HOUR, I'VE TRIED IT, IT FEELS RECKLESS, IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE AT ALL. ANOTHER DEAL WITH IT TOO IS WHEN YOU LEAVE THE NEIGHBORHOOD YOU JUMP ON THE MAIN ROAD TO EXIT AND LEAVE THE COMMUNITY, THIS DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE, IT'S BACKWARDS COMPLETELY. COPS SIT OUT ON CANDLEWOOD AND PULL CARS OVER FOR DOING 35. MEANWHILE THEY ARE DOING 30 OR HIGHER IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. HAVE HAD SEVERAL MOMS CALL ME AND COMPLAIN AND SAY THAT THEIR KIDS HAVE ALMOST BEEN HIT OR STRUCK IN THE STREET. I MYSELF, MY DAUGHTER OUTPLAYING HAVE ALMOST BEEN STRUCK. IT'S JUST A REALLY BIG ISSUE WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THE OTHER THING IS, THE ENTRANCE IN THE COMMUNITY, WE HAVE 181 HOUSES IN OUR COMMUNITY ALONE TO THE COMMUNITIES ARE A LITTLE BIT BIGGER. WITH THEM BEING BIGGER AND WE ONLY HAVE ONE WAY OUT FOR FIRE RESPONSE AND POLICE, I MEAN IT TAKES ONE TREE TO FALL AND WE HAVE PRETTY GOOD TREES THAT COULD FALL ON CANDLEWOOD THAT WOULD BLOCK EVERY COMMUNITY FROM GETTING OUT OR IN, ONE SOLUTION IS THE CHEST WOULD OAKS EXTENSION IT WAS BROUGHT UP ONCE TONIGHT IT SEEMS LIKE SOMETHING THAT COULD WORK BUT IT ALSO BRINGS A TON OF TRAFFIC THROUGH OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND I MEAN JUST DIRECTLY THROUGH, I DON'T KNOW WHEN THEY ARE GOING TO CONNECT THE NEIGHBORHOOD OR IF THEY EVER GOING TO. IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE ARE PLANS TO EVENTUALLY GET THAT DONE I DEFINITELY THINK WE SHOULD CONSIDER EXPEDITING THAT PROCESS JUST FOR THE SAFETY OF THE RESIDENTS. >> WE WILL HAVE OUR ENGINEER TAKE A LOOK AT THE SPEED LIMITS AND SEE IF THAT MAKES SENSE. >> REALLY QUICK I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU FOR COMING OUT AND SEEING US ABOUT THE FLOODING ISSUE WE HAVE GOTTEN THAT RESOLVED, WE ARE WORKING WITH PETER JOHNS AND OUR DEVELOPER RICK WOULD TO RESOLVE THAT ISSUE AND HE IS WILLING TO GO ALL THE WAY. HE IS WILLING TO RECTIFY IT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. >> THANK YOU. STEPHEN VAN BLOOM? >> I'M RUNNING UP HERE LIKE I AM ON THE PRICE IS RIGHT. GOOD EVENING, EVERYBODY, I SPOKE EARLIER SO GOOD EVENING AGAIN. I'VE BEEN HEARING A LOT OF BAD PRESS, A LOT OF NEGATIVE INFORMATION BEING PUT OUT ON THE NEW TRASH SERVICE, YOU GUYS ARE PROBABLY TIRED OF HEARING ABOUT IT. I WANT TO GIVE SOME GOOD LIGHT ON THE TRASH SERVICE AND I KNOW IT'S PROBABLY NOT POPULAR AND I'M PROBABLY GETTING SOME BAD EYES ON THE BACK MY HEAD RIGHT NOW BUT I WANT TO TELL YOU THIS I LIKE THE SERVICE AND I WILL TELL YOU WHY BECAUSE I HAD CRAPPY TRASH CANS THE LAST A COUPLE YEARS AND THEN THEY FALL APART THE INDUSTRIAL SIZE HEAVY-DUTY TRASH CAN THEY GIVE US, IT WORKS THOSE GUYS THAT COME, THEY DON'T THROW THE TRASH CAN BACK IN THE ART IT JUST GETS PUT BACK DOWN ON THE DRIVEWAY IT WORKS. DON'T KNOW WHAT THE PROBLEM WAS WITH OTHER PEOPLE, BE DOWN DIRT ROADS THEY PROBABLY HAVE SOME CHALLENGES. I'VE SEEN IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD THAT PEOPLE DO NOT FOLLOW THE RULES OR MAYBE THEY JUST DIDN'T GET THE RULES. MY SUGGESTION WAS MAYBE IF WE AS A COMMUNITY, I HAVE BEEN TRYING IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD TO PUT OUT THE RULES AND HOW TO PROPERLY PUT THIS STUFF OUT IT CAME WITH A LITTLE PAMPHLET IN THIS IS HOW YOU DO IT. I DON'T KNOW BUT I THINK IF IT WAS PUT OUT MORE DIRECTLY TO THE PEOPLE I SEE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO ARE IN VIOLATION OF THE RULES WITH ALL KINDS OF THINGS AROUND IT, I JUST KNOW IF THEY ARE DOING IT IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD CORRECTLY WHOEVER'S RUNNING IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD CAN DO AND OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS. >> THAT'S JUST MY SUGGESTION. WAS TALKED EARLIER IN THE MEETING TODAY ABOUT THE [06:00:03] ADOPTION, ADOPTING A CHILD IS A BEAUTIFUL THING, I ADOPTED MY DAUGHTER SHE IS NOW THREE YEARS OLD. THE BRIGHTEST THING IN MY HEART I'VE EVER HAD TO HAVE IN MY LIFE AND WE COULDN'T HAVE CHILDREN BUT SHE IS NOW IN OUR LIFE SO WE HAVE A CHILD NOW AND THEN THE, ANOTHER THING I WANT TO TALK ABOUT IS SOMETHING THAT WASN'T ON MY LIST BUT I JUST WANTED TO TALK ABOUT THE PROBLEMS WE HAD IN OUR COMMUNITY AND MR. JOHN TALKED ABOUT IT A LITTLE BIT AGO ABOUT THE FLOODING IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD APPARENTLY THAT WAS CORRECT -- CORRECTED I WANT TO THANK THE COMMISSIONERS FOR LINKING US WITH THE HOUSING GUIDE. WE HAVE ALL OF THAT SORT IT OUT SO WE ARE ALL GOOD TO GO SO THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH, YOU ALL HAVE A GOOD NIGHT. >> I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU DRINK TONIGHT BUT YOU'RE A BREATH OF FRESH AIR, THANK YOU. >> SHERRY CHASE? ANGELA MALLORY, I THINK SHE LEFT AS WELL THAT IS ALL THE CARDS I HAVE FOR THE EXCEPT MR. AUTO. >> I WOULD JUST LIKE TO THINK THANK GOD FOR TIME LIMITS, OKAY SO ANYWAY IT IS MY THREE MINUTES, IT'S MY THREE MINUTES. TYPICAL SO ANYWAY, THE DOOR WAS LOCKED AGAIN TO THE PUBLIC MEETING I'VE ASKED REPEATEDLY SO MANY TIMES I COME IN HERE IN THIS MEETING DOOR IS LOCKED DOWNSTAIRS THERE'S REALLY NO EXCUSE AFTER THE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT WE'VE HAD THESE ISSUES WITH THAT, THE ROAD LIST IS A JOKE, YOU DON'T PAY ATTENTION TO THE ROAD LIST, YOU MOVE IT AROUND, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHERE THE EASY BASES, HE TOOK SOME OF THE USED ASPHALT OR YOU KNOW, THE STATE DROPPED THAT MESS IN FRONT OF MY PROPERTY WITHOUT EVEN TALKING TO ME ABOUT IT, I'VE BEEN THROUGH THE PICKLE BALL AND AGAINST THE K-12 FOOTBALL, TWO BY FOURS ARE DOWN 30% DON'T BE PUSHING ALL OF THESE CONTRACTS WAS JUST GOING TO COST A HECK OF A LOT MORE MONEY, SEVEN COMMISSIONERS THINK ARE FOR THE CHARTER REVIEW AND YOU GET THAT BACK ON THERE FOR OVER 200,000 PEOPLE HERE WE NEED SEVEN COMMISSIONERS, I HONESTLY BELIEVE THAT COMMISSIONER SHOULD HAVE HER OLD KITCHEN AND A NEW KITCHEN, YOU SHOULD HAVE BOTH, YOU SAID SOMETHING ABOUT THAT AND I HEARD RECENTLY HE WAS TALKING ABOUT IN A DIFFERENT LIGHT SO THAT YOUR BUSINESS AND WE COULD REALLY USE A SPEAKER OUT HERE IN THE OTHER ROOM COMING IN HERE MAYBE A SPEAKER OUT IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING SO THAT PEOPLE CAN HEAR THIS AND NOT HAVE TO BE ACTUALLY IN THIS ROOM SO, THERE'S A LIST OF BAD WORDS MAYBE THAT I CAN GET BECAUSE I DON'T THINK I SAID A BAD WORD I DON'T KNOW I HEARD THAT IT WAS A CERTAIN WORD THAT I'VE NEVER KNOWN AS A BAD WORD AND I'D ASK YOU TO PUT THE ADULT ENTERTAINMENT MAP OF THE SPOTS FOR THE ADULT ENTERTAINMENT ON THE WALL SO THAT WE KNOW ALONG WITH THE ROAD LIST IMPROVEMENTS FOR THE ROADS IN THE WAY THAT YOU GUYS VOTED FOR THEM TO GET REPAIRED, THE TRASH IS A BAD CONTRACT, THIS GUY IS LIKE ONE OF THE ONLY PEOPLE THAT SAID, HE MUST BE FROM FLEMING ISLAND, THAT IS A FLEMING ISLAND TRASH CONTRACT, THE SOUTH END OF THE COUNTY, THEY CAME IN HERE AND SAID THAT IS A CURVED SYSTEM. WE DON'T WANT CURVES. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> WE DON'T WANT NO CURVES. >> YES SIR, STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE REST OF THE RECORD. >> ONE LAST TIME, THANK YOU FOR ALL YOU'VE DONE, APPRECIATE YOUR TIME I THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE OUR LAST ONE, WE WILL SEE WHAT HAPPENS. I APPRECIATE WHAT [06:05:04] YOU GUYS DID FOR US TONIGHT SHEDD ROAD IS GOING TO BE FOR YEARS TO COME. ONE MORE BELATED HAPPY VETERANS DAY AND FOR YOUR SON, THANKS, APPRECIATE IT, GOOD NIGHT, BE SAFE. >> ANYONE ELSE WISH TO SPEAK I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC [COUNTY ATTORNEY] HEARING . >> NOTHING FURTHER BUT JUST A SPECIAL THANK YOU TO COMMISSIONER STELLA, IT IS BEEN GREAT WORKING UNDER YOUR LEADERSHIP, I CAME ON THE SAME TIME YOU DID. ON BEHALF OF THE COUNTY ATTORNEY SCENE, YOU'RE JUST BEEN A WONDERFUL COMMISSIONER AND ARE ALWAYS SUPPORTIVE, GIVE US GOOD GUIDANCE AND ARE SO DEDICATED. [COUNTY MANAGER] >> IT'S BEEN FUN WORKING WITH YOU GUYS. AND SO IT IS THAT TIME OF THE YEAR, WE PLAN ON BRINGING A DRAFT TO THE NEXT MEETING BUT PRIOR TO THAT I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT ON THE FRONT SIDE IN THE FORMAT MOST OF ALL IF THERE ANY CHANGES IN THE FORMAT BETWEEN NOW AND THEN PLEASE LET ME KNOW. ON THE FRONT AS LEGISLATIVE PRIORITIES ALL OF WHICH OTHER THAN THE FIRST ONE ARE PROBABLY VALID AND COMES WITH THE MERCER AND WE WILL GET ANY DIRECTION THAT THE SESSION HAS AS THEY APPROACHED THE OPENING SESSION . WE HAVE BEEN VERY MUCH TOLD THAT THE BUDGET WILL BE TIGHT AND WE WILL TAKE A LOOK AT THAT, PUT OUR BEST FOOT FORWARD WITH THE PROJECTS AND PUT THOSE ON THE BACK. AT THEIR PENDING ANY MAJOR CHANGES ON HERE, SOME OF THE ENTITIES OUT THERE LIKE THE NORTHEAST, I TALKED TO BETH AND LET HER KNOW THAT WE HAD IT AFTER THE 26TH SO WE SHOULD BE GOOD TO GO WANTED TO PUT THAT ON THE FOURTH OUT OF YOUR MINDS I KNOW IT IS A LATE NIGHT BUT PENDING ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT? >> WE WOULD EVEN HAVE TIME AFTER THAT FOR THE FIRST ONE IN DECEMBER. >> I'M JUST THINKING WITH THANKSGIVING AND IN BETWEEN. >> IT MIGHT BE HELPFUL TO POLLS MERCER AND SOME PRETTY SIGNIFICANT GUIDANCE SO WHAT'S REAL AND WHAT IS FACT AND WHAT IS FICTION TO SEE HIS TAKE ON IT. >> I JUST WANTED TO THANK THE STAFF . OUT THERE AND HELPING OUT MAKES YOU FEEL GOOD TO BE A VETERAN IN THIS COUNTY. AND FINALLY ON BEHALF OF THE ENTIRE STAFF WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR EIGHT YEARS. THAT IS ALL I [COMMISSIONERS' COMMENTS] HAVE. >> I WILL TRY TO BE QUICK, LAST WEDNESDAY WE HAD AN EMERGENCY BOARD MEETING TO APPROVE THE LONG-RANGE PLAN BECAUSE OUR MEETING GOT CANCELED FOR HURRICANE MILTON AND WHEN WE WERE SUPPOSED TO HAVE APPROVED IT AND THEY NEEDED IT APPROVED BEFORE THIS COMING THURSDAY FOR A FEDERAL DEADLINE BUT THE THINGS ON THAT LONG-RANGE PLAN ARE, THEY FINALLY HAVE THE WHITING OF 16 AND THEN THE OTHER PROJECT THAT THEY HAD ON THEIR IS THE BRIDGE REPLACEMENT [06:10:07] ON COUNTY ROAD 217 I GUESS THERE WAS AN EVALUATION DONE THAT THE ROAD DOESN'T NEED TO BE WIDENED BUT THEY DO AGREE THAT THE BRIDGE NEEDS TO BE REPLACED AND THEY HAVE PUT A PRIORITY ON IT, THEY'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT 29-30 AND THEY WANT TO MOVE IT SOONER, THEY JUST HAVE TO FIND THE MONEY BUT THEY RECOGNIZE THAT THE D.O.T. RECOGNIZING THAT THEY ARE ROUTING TRUCKS ON THERE THAT ARE ABOVE THE WEIGHT LIMIT AND SO THEY ARE CAUSING ISSUES. AT ANY RATE, NOTHING IS SURPRISING ON THEIR EVERYTHING WE'VE LOOKED AT BEFORE BUT I JUST WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW THAT THAT PAST AND ON MY TABLE IS ONE OF THESE BIG THINGS OF THE LONG-RANGE PLAN TO IF YOU WANT TO LOOK INTO THE ENTIRETY . SUNDAY AFTERNOON WAS THE HISTORIC SOFTBALL GAME AT THE HUNTER DOUGLAS PARK WITH THE MIDDLEBURG MUD, THEY FIRST PLAYED BASEBALL AS THE MIDDLEBURG TWINS WE PLAYED ALMOST IN THE MUD BUT ANYWAY IT WAS RAINING BUT IT WAS A WONDERFUL EVENT AND ANYWAY, GREAT TURNOUT YOU KNOW WHAT, SOME OF THOSE GUYS SAID THEY WERE GOING TO BE HURTING THE NEXT DAY, THEY STILL CAN HIT THAT BALL PRETTY FAR AND SO THEY RAN THEIR BASES, THEY TOOK A LITTLE DETOUR QUICKER. IT WAS A VERY FUN EVENT THERE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT OUR MONUMENTS. AND WE ARE LOOKING AT MAYBE DOING AN UNVEILING OF THE MONUMENT FOR BLACK HISTORY MONTH. BEFORE INTEGRATION AND SEGREGATION. WE REALLY APPRECIATE THAT WE GOT LONGMIRE DONE . I DO FEEL WE NEED TO BRING UP THE TRASH. IF THE DRIVERS CANNOT PUT THE CANS BACK INTO THE ROAD. IT'S REALLY ONLY HAPPENING IN MY DISTRICT BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF CURBS BUT I DON'T KNOW. THE BULK PICKUPS AND I'M TRYING TO WORK ON THAT. THE COUNTY MANAGER TOLD ME THAT THERE IS NO WAY TO FILE THEIR COMPLAINT ONLINE I'M STILL GETTING LOTS AND LOTS OF THOSE LITTLE COMPLAINTS. SHE NEEDED MORE INFORMATION SHE REQUESTED THE CAN ON OCTOBER 8TH, IT WAS DELIVERED SATURDAY, NOVEMBER 9TH. IT SHOULDN'T TAKE A MONTH TO GET A CAN TO SOMEBODY KEYSTONE HEIGHTS TO THE FIRST ANNUAL BREAKFAST FOR THEIR VETERANS THERE TO FIGURE OUT SOME BETTER HANDICAP ACCESS FOR THE PAVILION. THE MAYOR GAVE USE TO HER PORSCHE GOLF CART FOR THE VETERANS TO BE TRANSPORTED DOWN. IT WAS GREAT AND IT WAS GREAT TO HAVE EVERYBODY OUT. THE FINAL THING THAT I WANTED TO TELL YOU ABOUT IS I HEARD A PRESENTATION AT MY [06:15:05] ROTARY CLUB BY A WOMAN WHOSE NAME IS DONNA LEE AND SHE IS THE NORTH FLORIDA REPRESENTATION FOR THE ALZHEIMER'S ASSOCIATION. AND WHAT SHE TOLD US ABOUT IS IN THE UPCOMING LEGISLATIVE SESSION THERE'S GOING TO BE, BECAUSE THEY HAVE BIPARTISAN SUPPORT IT WILL GET PAST A REQUIREMENT FOR TRAINING FOR THINGS LIKE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT AND FIRE RESCUE AND EVEN EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT WORKING WITH COGNITIVE DECLINE AND UNDERSTANDING IN THE EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT WORLDS HOW DO YOU DEAL WITH SOMEONE WHO NEEDS TO COME TO A SHELTER BUT THAT IS A VERY ALARMING TIME FOR THOSE WHO DON'T HAVE COGNITIVE DECLINE BUT IT'S EXTREMELY SCARY FOR SOMEONE WHO DOES. WHAT THEY FOUND IS PEOPLE DON'T OFTEN HOW DO THEY DEAL WITH SOMEONE WHO IS IN CRISIS THEY WILL DO IT FOR ANYONE, SHE TALKED ABOUT ANYONE WHO IS IN CUSTOMER SERVICE. THEY EVEN DO IT FOR TRASH, WHOEVER DOES THE TRASH SERVICES BECAUSE THEY HAVE FOUND LIKE INSTEAD OF GETTING UPSET WITH SOMEONE WHO GETS THEIR TRASH TAKEN EVERY DAY, THAT CAN BE ASSIGNED THAT THERE IS A MEMORY ISSUE AND MAYBE THEY NEED A LITTLE BIT MORE CARE IN THEIR INTERVENTION JUST VERSUS OUR -- US SAYING DON'T YOUR TRASH OUT. IF ANYONE WOULD LIKE FOR HER TO SPEAK AND NOW LIVES IN GILCHRIST COUNTY, SHE WILL COME AND SPEAK TO ANY ORGANIZATION AND I JUST THOUGHT IT WAS WORTHWHILE TO MENTION AND WE MAY BE REQUIRED TO DO IT BY LAW SO WHY NOT DO SOMETHING GREAT FOR FREE ANYWAY AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE. OH AND COMMISSIONER CELLA, I'M NOT GOING TO SAY GOODBYE BUT I SO APPRECIATED SERVING WITH YOU AND I'M NOT A CRY OR SO NECKLACE A LOT BUT I WILL MISS YOU. >> THANK YOU, I WILL MISS YOU TOO. >> THREE THINGS, A HAT TIP TO OUR STAFF AND VETERANS COUNCIL FOR PULLING TOGETHER THE INAUGURAL VETERANS DAY 5K WORD ON THE STREET IS THAT HOWARD, OUR COUNTY MANAGER IS STILL SUFFERING FROM THE 5K WE HAD A GREAT TIME OVER 200 RUNNERS SIGNED UP, ALL OF THE VENDORS I THOUGHT WE WERE GOING TO GET RAINED OUT BUT IT ENDED UP WORKING OUT VERY NICELY TO HAVE THE COOL REFRESHING RAIN DURING THE RUN. THE CAMP LANDING EVENT WENT REALLY WELL, LOTS OF FUN, SINCE OUR LAST MEETING I WANT TO PERSONALLY THANK BOTH RICHARD AND HIS TEAM AS WELL AS BOBBY AND HIS TEAM ON THAT STOP LIGHTS, THAT COMMUNITY HAS BEEN ASKING FOR IT THE GENERAL AREA HAS BEEN ASKING FOR IT FOR YEARS AND YOU BROUGHT IT OVER THE FINISH LINE, I APPRECIATE EVERYTHING THAT YOU'RE DOING. IT MATTERS TO THEM, AS YOU CAN TELL I HAVE A COUPLE OF CONSTITUENTS, THEY ARE A VERY GRATEFUL PEOPLE AND VERY GRACIOUS PEOPLE AND I JUST DID NOT WANT FOR THEIR COMPLEMENTS TO END IN MY TEXT MESSAGES AND PHONE CALLS YOU BOTH CARRY THAT PROJECT AND I APPRECIATE SO MUCH WHAT YOU'VE DONE AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST, COMMISSIONER CELLA, I APPRECIATE YOU, I AM SAD TO SEE YOU GO BUT THIS IS NOT BYE, I'M CALLING YOU IN TWO WEEKS SO APPRECIATE YOU. >> I HAVE A COUPLE OF THINGS, I'M GOING TO SPEAK ON MR. JOSH NORMAN. I KNOW THIS IS [06:20:08] SOMETHING THAT CAME UP BEFORE THIS SPEAKS TO MY HEART AND I'M HOPING WE CAN GET Y'ALL'S SUPPORT FINALLY BEEN ABLE TO SAVE UP FOR A HOME UNFORTUNATELY THE MOBILE HOME PEOPLE THAT SELL MOBILE HOMES SOMETIMES DON'T DO THEIR DUE DILIGENCE AND THEY DID APPLY FOR A PERMIT TO DEMO TO TAKE AWAY HIS MOBILE HOME BUT DID NOT FIND OUT THAT THEY NEEDED A PERMIT TO REPLACE IT AND THAT IT WOULD BE DENIED BECAUSE OF THE SIZE LIMITATION. BETH HAS LET ME KNOW LET ME KNOW THAT I AM BRINGING IT BACK ON DECEMBER 10TH, LIVING IN SOMEBODY ELSE'S THEN, THIS GUY , I'M ASKING FOR AN EXCEPTION . >> IT SOUNDS LIKE THE SAME AS I BROUGHT UP THE LAST MEETING . >> THEY'VE BEEN WORKING TO CHANGE IT BUT HASN'T COME BACK YET. DECEMBER 10TH IS WHEN IT IS, DEFINITELY HE SAID HE CAN GET AN EXTENSION ON BUYING THE HOUSE HOWEVER WHAT HE IS GOING TO RIGHT NOW WITH HIS FAMILY I JUST WOULD ASK THAT YOU SUPPORT AN EXCEPTION RIGHT NOW. WE ARE GOING TO BE CHANGING IT HOPEFULLY WE ARE GOING TO GO ALONG WITH IT DECEMBER 10TH. THAT IS MY ASK. AND I KNOW IT IS NOT ALWAYS THE BEST THING YOU WANT TO DO. BUT SEEING THAT IT IS GOING TO BE COMING BACK, THAT IS WHY I WOULD ASK THAT. >> WHEN HE HAD TO LEAVE THE LAST MEETING I HAD BROUGHT UP MY CONSTITUENTS AND WE DID DISCUSS OF SOMEONE ELSE HAD THIS ISSUE BEFORE WE GOT TO HEAR IT AND I WILL SUPPORT YOU, I WILL SECOND YOUR MOTION. >>'S ULTIMATELY IS THAT WHAT HAPPENED ? >> WHAT IS THE CONFLICT, I DON'T UNDERSTAND. AND I HATE TO DO THIS WITHOUT BACKGROUND . >> EITHER IT IS A NONCONFORMING LOT BECAUSE OF THE HOME THAT WAS THERE PREVIOUSLY, IT IS A NONCONFORMING LOT CURRENTLY AND WITH THE REPLACEMENT POLICY THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN REPLACE IT BY POLICY TODAY IS THE SAME FOOTPRINT . THE HOME THAT HE HAS PURCHASED IS BIGGER. THAT IS WHAT WE ARE FIXING, DECEMBER 10TH. MIKE IS RETIRING. AND I THINK IT'S GOT TO HAVE TWO HEARINGS. COMING BACK IN JANUARY FOR THE FINAL. PUTTING IN INTO CODE AND ALSO SAYING LOOK, IF IT MATCHES THE ZONING AND ALL OF THE SETBACKS AND ALL OF THE REQUIREMENTS LET'S JUST ALLOW THE REPLACEMENT. >> HE CAN'T SEE THE HOUSE FROM THE ROAD. WE HAVE ALSO DONE ONE OTHER THINGS SO SINCE THIS HAS COME UP A COUPLE TIMES RECENTLY AS FOLKS ARE NOW DOING DEMO PERMITS, DEMO PERMITS WE ARE ASKING THEM, ARE YOU PLANNING ON REPLACING IT IT'S NOT THIS GENTLEMEN'S FAULTS IN MY OPINION MAYBE THE MOBILE HOME COMPANY BEFORE THEY DID ALL OF THESE DEALS WITH THEM. MAKING SURE IT WAS OKAY BUT REGARDLESS IT IS NOT THIS GENTLEMEN'S FAULTS. PUTTING SOMETHING BACK [06:25:07] ON THIS PROPERTY, BEFORE YOU GO THROUGH THE PROCESS OF DEMOING IT. >> THIS IS THE ONLY WAY WE CAN FIX IT, IT'S NOT EVEN SOMETHING LIKE THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT. >> I THINK WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. >> YES. >> ANY OTHER COMMENTS, QUESTIONS, CONCERNS? LIKE I SAID, I REALLY DON'T LIKE DOING THIS. WE'RE DOING SPOT ZONING, 30 DAYS I THINK I HEARD HER SAY -- PARDON ME? >> THE FIRST MEETING IN JANUARY. >> ALL OF THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE, PASSES 4-1 >> I HAD ANOTHER THING, AS ALL OF YOU KNOW, THIS IS EXPIRING IN DECEMBER AND I HAVE ASKED THEM TO ADVERTISE AND PUT IT ON THE AGENDA FOR NEXT MEETING. IN THE MEANTIME, I WOULD ASK PLEASE IF YOU HAVE IT, DRIVE IN MY DISTRICT, TAKE A LITTLE STROLL, PLEASE. BECAUSE WE ARE SUFFERING. IT'S NOT TIME TO LET EVERYTHING ELSE GO BEYOND WHAT IS ALREADY ZONED, IT IS TOTALLY INSANE RIGHT NOW SO WE JUST CAN'T TAKE ANYTHING ELSE. THE LADY THAT CAME FROM THE RED LIGHT, I DON'T KNOW WHAT I HAVE TO DO WE ALREADY KNOW THAT IT'S WARRANTED I WILL BE TALKING TO SOMEONE TO FIGURE OUT HOW MUCH FUNDS WE ARE GOING TO NEED FOR THAT. THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS TRAPPED FIRST OFF. THE PEOPLE CAN'T GET OUT IN THE MORNINGS. JUST WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE PROCESS WAS FOR THAT. >> WE JUST WENT THROUGH A HUGE ELECTION, EVERY MEETING , SO MANY SO THAT I HAD THE HELP OF MY COLLEAGUES , FRIDAY IS ANOTHER ONE, BUT I CAN'T DO THAT BECAUSE I AM THE MILITARY SELECTION COMMITTEE FOR CONGRESSMAN BEEN WHICH WILL TAKE ALL DAY. IT IS A BUSY TIME FOR EVERYBODY AND I WANT TO THANK EVERYBODY FOR SUPPORTING THE VETERANS , IT MEANS A LOT, GREEN SHIRTS , GREEN DRESSES , I WILL SAY SOMETHING, MIKE HAS TAUGHT ME A LOT , ESPECIALLY HOW TO FOLD THOSE ALUMINUM HATS THAT WE ALL NEED EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE. HE HAS THE FOLDING DOWN. >> FOIL HATS. >> ANYWAY, IN ALL SINCERITY , YOU HAVE DONE A GREAT JOB. WE ARE PROUD OF WHAT YOU HAVE DONE OVER THE LAST EIGHT YEARS. I MEAN IT SINCERELY, BIG SHOES TO FILL. WE WILL EXPECT A LOT OUT OF HIM. ANYWAY , NOW IT IS YOUR TURN. >> IT IS MY TURN, A GREAT HONOR AND PRIVILEGE TO SERVE WITH ALL OF YOU, WHETHER BOARD MEMBER , STAFF, SOMEBODY THAT CONTRIBUTES SO MUCH TO OUR COMMUNITY. YOU DON'T FALL INTO THE STAFF OR BOARD MEMBER, BUT YOU DO SO MUCH FOR US AND THE [06:30:04] COMMUNITY . WHAT I WILL CARRY THE MOST IS MEMORIES OF THE SHARED WORK AND DEDICATION TO THE COMMUNITY. WORKING FOR THE GREATER GOOD OF OUR COMMUNITY. I WISH EVERYBODY A GREAT SUCCESS IN THE FUTURE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH WHOEVER PUT THE RECEPTION TOGETHER. IT WAS TRULY A TIME WHERE I WAS SPEECHLESS AND THAT DOES NOT HAPPEN OFTEN AS MY WIFE WILL TELL YOU. I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE OTHER THAN TO SAY THANK YOU VERY MUCH, I APPRECIATE IT ALL, YOUR KIND * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.