Nov 05, 2024 Planning Commission

[Call to Order]

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>> READY ON THE SIDE? WELCOME TO THE CLAY COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING OF NOVEMBER 5TH, 2024, THE MEETING IS NOW CALLED TO ORDER. WE HAVE COPIED EXTRA COMMENT CARDS. IF THERE'S ANYONE WHO DID NOT RECEIVE ONE WHO WISHES TO HAVE ONE ARE THERE ANY IN THE FESTIVAL? PLEASE MAKE YOUR WAY OUT THERE QUIETLY AND GET THEM AND TURN THEM INTO MS. HACKER.

AT THIS TIME WE WILL HAVE THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE AND COMMISSIONER BO NORTON WILL LEAD US IN THE PLEDGE.

>> I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

[1.  Approval of Minutes]

AT THIS TIME I WOULD LIKE TO INTRODUCE MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS. TO MY RIGHT IS VICE CHAIR DAVIS. WE HAVE COMMISSIONER HOWARD OR BO NORTON . TO MY LEFT WE HAVE COMMISSIONER JOANN, AND PAUL BENNETT , REPRESENTING THE CLAY COUNTY SCHOOL BOARD. FOR YOUR INFORMATION, THE CLAY COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION IS A CITIZEN ADVISORY BOARD TO THE CLAY COUNTY BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS. MOST OF THE DECISIONS MADE BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION ARE RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS WHOM WE REFER TO AS BCC. THE BCC WILL HAVE THE FINAL SAY ON THESE MATTERS BE HERE TONIGHT AT THEIR MEETING ON NOVEMBER 12TH WHICH IS THE SECOND TUESDAY OR NOVEMBER 26TH, THE FOURTH TUESDAY THREE WEEKS FROM TONIGHT. THE ZONING PORTION OF THE BCC MEETING IS HELD DURING THE REGULAR BCC MEETING WHICH STARTS AT 4 P.M.

ZONING AND LAND-USE MATTERS ARE HELD SO PLEASE CHECK THE BCC AGENDA FOR ANY ITEMS IN WHICH YOU ARE INTERESTED. IF THERE IS AN ITEM ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA YOU WISH TO SPEAK ABOUT WE HAVE ASKED YOU FILL OUT A COMMENT CARD AND BE SURE TO SPECIFY WHICH ITEM YOU WANT TO SPEAK ABOUT BEFORE YOU TURN IT IN. IF YOU HAVE NOT ALREADY DONE SO AND YOU NEED TO FILL OUT A CARD PLEASE DO SO. AT THIS TIME WE REQUEST YOU PUT YOUR CELL PHONES ON SILENT OR VIBRATE . IF YOU DO NEED TO TAKE A PHONE CALL DURING THE MEETING PLEASE STEP OUTSIDE. IF YOU NEED TO LEAVE DURING THE MEETING PLEASE DO SO QUIETLY. THE FIRST ITEM FOR ACTION BY THE COMMISSION TONIGHT IS APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES OF THE OCTOBER 1ST MEETING. SORRY? I HAVE THAT ON THE AGENDA, THANK YOU. THE FIRST ITEM FOR ACTION BY THE COMMISSION TONIGHT IS APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES OF THE OCTOBER 1ST MEETING OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION. DO I HEAR A MOTION? MOTION AND SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE I CALLED TO QUESTION ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD. AT THIS TIME ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC MAKE COMMENT ON

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WILL HELP YOU KEEP TRACK. >> THANK YOU. I APOLOGIZE FOR TAKING THE TIME RIGHT NOW. I'M THE A PRESIDENT . I UNDERSTAND YOU RAN OUT OF COMMENT CARDS. I HAVE FIVE HOMEOWNERS THAT WANTED ME TO MAKE STATEMENTS FOR THEM. I WANTED TO ASK DO I NEED TO FILL OUT FIVE MORE COMMENT CARDS OR MAY I GET PERMISSION WHEN I APPROACH WHEN MY CARD IS PULLED TO GO AHEAD AND ADDRESS THEIR FIVE EMAIL STATEMENTS THEY HAVE FOR ME TO

READ? >> YOU ARE MAKING STATEMENTS?

>> THEY COULDN'T MAKE THE TIME. WE HAVE A QUESTION AS TO WHETHER YOU HAVE DOCUMENTS THAT YOU WANTED TO GIVE US OR WERE

YOU JUST GOING TO SHARE? >> I WAS GOING TO READ THE EMAILS THEY SENT ME. THE NOTICE WENT OUT ON OUR COMMUNITY FACEBOOK PAGE AND ALSO AS AN EMAIL BLAST . FIVE HOMEOWNERS RESPONDED. THE REST STILL REMEMBER THE LAST EXCHANGE WE HAD WITH THE PREVIOUS DEVELOPER AND I THINK IT'S GET THEM A LITTLE BIT ABOUT GETTING OUT HERE AT NIGHT. WE APPRECIATE THE MEETING STARTING AT 5:00. I JUST WANTED TO FIND OUT IF I NEED TO FILL OUT FIVE, CARDS OR IF I CAN READ THOSE.

>> I THINK ONE WOULD BE SUFFICIENT. IF YOU CAN MAKE ARRANGEMENTS TO GET COPIES OF THOSE DOCUMENTS TO A MEMBER OF

STAFF THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL. >> I WILL DO MY BEST. THANK

YOU. >> IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WANTS TO MAKE A COMMENT DURING THE PUBLIC COMMENT. OKAY.

SEEING NO ONE I WILL CLOSE THAT. I IMAGINE A NUMBER OF YOU ARE PROBABLY ATTENDING A PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING FOR THE FIRST TIME. IF THAT IS THE CASE WOULD YOU PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND? OKAY. THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE YOU VERY MUCH FOR BEING HERE AND I WANT TO EMPHASIZE THAT CITIZEN PARTICIPATION IS THE BACKBONE OF OUR DEMOCRATIC FORM OF GOVERNMENT AND THIS PROCESS AND YOUR PRESENCE HERE IS IMPORTANT AND APPRECIATED. I WANT TO TELL YOU ABOUT THE COMMISSION AND HOW WE WORK. ALL THE PLANNING COMMISSIONERS ARE VOLUNTEERS.

RESIDENTS OF CLAY COUNTY APPOINTED BY THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS. WE SERVE TWO-YEAR TERMS AND MUST REAPPLY IF WE WISH TO CONTINUE TO SERVE. AS I SAID EARLIER, ALL OF OUR DECISIONS ARE ADVISORY TO THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS. I WANT TO BRIEFLY DESCRIBE THE PROCEDURE WE FOLLOW IN DEALING WITH EACH APPLICATION. I HOPE THIS WILL BE HELPFUL TO YOU. EACH ITEM OR APPLICATION ON THE PUBLIC HEARING AGENDA WILL BE PRESENTED BY A MEMBER OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING DEPARTMENT OR STAFF. AS PART OF THE PRESENTATION THE STAFF PERSON WILL INDICATE WHETHER THEY RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE APPLICATION OF THE REQUESTED LAND CHANGE OR ZONING CHANGE. AFTER STAFF MAKES THEIR PRESENTATION THE APPLICANT HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.

FOLLOWING THE APPLICANT'S PRESENTATION THAT IS WHERE YOU COME IN. THAT'S WHEN I OPEN PUBLIC HEARING AND MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC MAY OFFER THEIR VIEWS. IF YOU WISH TO SPEAK YOU NEED TO DO SEVERAL THINGS. I THINK YOU ALL KNOW ABOUT THE COMMENT CARDS AT THIS POINT SO FILL OUT THE COMMENT CARD AND PLEASE IT TO MS. HAGGARD BUT YOU NEED TO TAKE THE OATH WHICH SHE WILL ADMINISTER MOMENTARILY TO EVERYONE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK FOR THE HEARING. IF YOU'RE NOT SURE WHETHER YOU WANT TO SPEAK THAT WILL BE TAKEN CARE OF. YOUR SPEAKING TIME IS LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES. THE LIGHTS ON THE PODIUM WILL HELP YOU KEEP TRACK OF TIME. YOUR TIME IS FOR STATING YOUR VIEWS, NOT FOR ASKING QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT, STAFF OR COMMISSIONERS. THERE ARE TIMES AND PLACES FOR THOSE THINGS

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YOU CAN MEET WITH THE APPLICANT AFTER THE MEETING, GET THEIR CONTACT INFORMATION AND CONTACT THEM IF THERE IS SOMETHING YOU NEED TO TALK TO THEM ABOUT. AFTER THE STAFF, APPLICANT AND PUBLIC HAVE ALL HAD A CHANCE TO STATE THEIR VIEWS THE APPLICANT WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO RESPOND TO THE COMMENTS BY THE PUBLIC. AT THAT TIME, WE WILL DISCUSS THE MATTER AND IF NECESSARY RENDER A DECISION. I THINK AND COMMEND YOU FOR YOUR PARTICIPATION IN THIS PROCESS. AT THIS TIME WE WILL ASK MS. HAGGARD TO SWEAR AND ANYONE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OR IN OPPOSITION TO AN APPLICATION AND TO STREAMLINE THIS IT MIGHT BE IF YOU MOVE TOWARDS THE CENTER AISLE AS CLOSE AS YOU CAN.

>> DO SOLEMNLY SWEAR OR AFFIRM THE TESTIMONY YOU'RE ABOUT TO GIVE TO BE THE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH SO HELP

YOU GOD? >> THANK YOU. PLEASE BE SEATED.

[1.  Public Hearing to consider transmittal of COMP 24-0023. (B. Carson)]

>> PUBLIC HEARING NUMBER ONE ON THE AGENDA IS TO CONSIDER TRANSMITTAL OF COM P 24-0023 PRESENTED BY BETH CARSON, DIRECTOR OF PLANNING AND ZONING.

>> THANK YOU. THE APPLICANT FOR THIS ITEM HAS SUBMITTED A REQUEST TO CONTINUE THIS ITEM TO THE JANUARY 7TH PLANNING

COMMISSION MEETING. >> IS THE APPLICANT PRESENT TO ADDRESS THE REQUEST? ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. WHAT HAS HAPPENED HERE IS THAT THE APPLICANT HAS ASKED WE POSTPONE THIS MATTER TO ANOTHER EVENING. SINCE THAT IS A REQUEST WE HAVE TO DECIDE AS A COMMISSION WHETHER OR NOT TO GRANT THAT. YOU'RE ENTITLED TO EXPRESS YOUR VIEWS ON THAT AT THIS TIME IF YOU WOULD LIKE OR ON THE UNDERLYING APPLICATION BUT IT'S POSSIBLE THAT THE COMMISSION MIGHT AGREE WE WILL PUT THIS OFF TO ANOTHER MEETING. IF WE DO SO I WILL REOPEN IT IF YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO THE MERITS OF THE APPLICATION TONIGHT. MAYBE YOUR CONCERN YOU WANT TO BE ABLE TO GET BACK TO THE NEXT MEETING OR WHATEVER OR YOU CAN HOLD YOUR COMMENT UNTIL A SUBSEQUENT HEARING IF THAT'S WHAT WE DECIDE TO DO. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE DECISION WILL BE. I WANTED TO PUT THAT OUT THERE FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. AT THIS TIME I'M GOING TO OPEN PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS MATTER AND YOU MAY ADDRESS THE CONTINUANCE , THE UNDERLYING APPLICATION OR YOU MAY WAIT AND SEE WHAT THE COMMISSION DOES ABOUT THE REQUEST FOR POSTPONEMENT. AT THIS TIME I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING ON NUMBER ONE.

IS THERE ANYONE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK AT THIS TIME? I HAVE CARDS BUT I WILL WAIT AND SEE IF YOU WANT TO TALK NOW OR WAIT AND SEE WHAT WE DO WITH THE MATTER? THE REQUEST FOR POSTPONEMENT. YES. YOU CAN TALK AFTER THAT TODAY AND YOU CAN COME BACK AND TALK AT THE NEXT HEARING IF YOU WANT TO. OKAY? ARE WE CLEAR? DOES EVERYBODY WANT TO WAIT AND SEE WHAT WE DO AND THEN GO? OKAY. THAT'S WHAT WE WILL DO. I'M BRINGING THIS BACK TO THE COMMISSION AS TO WHETHER OR NOT YOU WANT TO POSTPONE THIS. IT'S BEEN REQUESTED -- SORRY. PLEASE COME FORWARD. ALL RIGHT. YOU WILL HAVE TO IDENTIFY YOURSELF BECAUSE I HAVE SEVERAL AND I DON'T KNOW WHICH ONE IS YOU.

>> 11 2991 WATKINS ROAD. I WANT TO SAY WE DO HAVE QUITE A NUMBER OF NEIGHBORS THAT ARE CONCERNED WITH THIS ISSUE. I JUST WANT TO SAY THEY ARE WANTING TO CHANGE THE CODE SO THEY CAN PUT THIS ROADWAY IN AND I JUST ASK THAT IF THERE WAS NO SUBDIVISION INVOLVED IN THIS WOULD THEY STILL BE

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I LIVE ON THE CORNER OF WATKINS. I WATCH PROBABLY A COUPLE HUNDRED CARS DRIVE UP AND DOWN MY ROAD EACH DAY. I COULD NOT FATHOM TO HAVE 1200 CARS DOWN MY ROAD TRYING TO LEAVE AND TRYING TO RAISE THE KIDS ON THE CORNER AND KEEP THEM SAFE. NOT ONLY THE RESIDENCE THAT WOULD BE BACK THERE BUT THE CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC WOULD JUST BE UNBEARABLE. THAT WAS ALL I WANTED TO SAY. WE HAVE A LOT OF NEIGHBORS THAT WILL BE READY TO SPEAK. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I

STRONGLY OPPOSE. >> FOLKS THAT IS ONE OF OUR RULES. WE DON'T HAVE APPLAUSE OR COMMENTS IN THE AUDIENCE.

THAT IS TO EXPEDITE THINGS AND MAKE SURE THIS GOES SMOOTHLY.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR UNDERSTANDING. AT THIS TIME WE NEED TO BRING THIS TO THE COMMISSION FOR ACTION ON THE REQUEST. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION OR COMMENTS?

>> MOTION TO CONTINUE. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY AYE.

>> MADAM CHAIR, I THINK YOU NEED TO CLARIFY WHEN THIS WILL BE CONTINUED TO. JANUARY THE SEVENTH OR SOON THEREAFTER.

>> WE PROBABLY DO NEED THAT. THE REQUEST IS FOR JANUARY 7TH BUT DO WE WANT TO SAY JANUARY 7TH OR AS SOON THEREAFTER AS IT CAN BE HEARD? ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.

>> DO WE KNOW WHY THEY REQUESTED?

>> I DO NOT. >> HAVE THEY SEEN THE STAFF REPORT ? CONTINUANCE WAS IN REFERENCE TO THE STAFF REPORT.

>> I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE REASONING IS FOR CONTINUING THIS. THEY ARE AWARE OF THE STAFF REPORT.

>> THANK YOU. >> THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION WAS AGAINST THE APPLICATION WAS IT NOT? ALL RIGHT. TANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. WE'VE HAD A REQUEST TO AMEND THE CONTINUANCE TO INCLUDE PERHAPS JANUARY 7TH OR SOON THEREAFTER AS IT CAN BE HEARD . ARE YOU OKAY WITH THAT ? ALL RIGHT. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF GRANTING THE CONTINUANCE AS STATED PLEASE SAY AYE. WE HAVE TWO. WHAT WAS YOUR VOTE? OKAY. SO WE HAVE FOUR. IT CARRIES , THE CONTINUANCE CARRIES. THAT MEANS THIS MATTER WILL BE CONTINUED TO EITHER JANUARY 7TH OR LATER . THE INFORMATION WILL BE ON THE WEBSITE. IF THERE'S ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO THIS MATTER TONIGHT AS OPPOSED TO WAITING TO WHENEVER IT'S RESCHEDULED FOR WHICH LOOKS LIKE IT'LL BE GENERALLY SEVENTH OR LATER I'M GOING TO REOPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING IN CASE THERE IS ANYBODY WHO WANTS TO TALK ABOUT THIS. WE'VE HEARD FROM ONE RESIDENT THAT INDICATED MANY ARE OPPOSED.

WE'VE HEARD THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS AGAINST THIS PROPOSAL. YOU MAY SPEAK TONIGHT , YOU HAVE COME HERE, YOU HAVE A RIGHT TO DO SO IF YOU WISH , BUT YOU WILL HAVE ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY WHEN THIS COMES BEFORE THE COMMISSION AGAIN. IS THERE ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT AT THIS TIME? YES. COME FORWARD. IDENTIFY YOURSELF.

>> MY NAME IS RANDY GILLIS. 1807 COUNTY ROAD 209B. I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TONIGHT. I WANT TO SAY I AM ABSOLUTELY AGAINST WHAT WAS PROPOSED. I BELIEVE THE WITHDRAWAL UNDERLIES AN EFFORT TO CHANGE THE WAY THE PITCH IS GOING TO BE MADE BECAUSE IT WAS DISPUTED BY ALL MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY. THERE WAS NO ONE SPEAKING FOR THE ROAD TO BE BUILT. WHAT I'M ASKING MAY BE ON ORTHODOX BUT WE WERE TOLD VERY CLEARLY IF WE DIDN'T LIKE THE ROAD THEY WERE GOING TO PUT THE HOUSES THERE ANYWAY. THERE WAS ONE MEMBER OF THE ADVISORY

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DEVELOPMENT. IN QUEUE. >> THANK YOU. MS. CARSON, IS THAT SOMETHING YOU CAN HELP WITH? OR COUNTY ATTORNEY? ALL RIGHT. I WOULD SUGGEST YOU DO THAT TO GET THAT QUESTION ANSWERED. ALL RIGHT. IF YOU WOULD PLEASE IDENTIFY YOURSELF?

>> I'M A RETIRED NURSE. SAFETY WAS ONE OF THE CONCERNS. SORRY, I'M SHORT. THEY USE THE EXCUSE OF SAFETY . WE HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH CSX FOR MANY YEARS. THEY WERE ABLE TO GET AT THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS THAT THEY LIMITED INSTEAD OF TWO HOURS DELAY WITH THE RAILROAD CROSSING BECAUSE WE ARE THE ONLY PLACE THAT HAS TWO TRACKS SO THEY GO THERE SAFETY, WE HAVE A BETTER CHANCE OF SAFETY WITHOUT PUTTING HUNDRED EXTRA HOMES, 400 EXTRA HOMES, 600 EXTRA HOMES BECAUSE WITH THE SECOND OUTLET AT WATKINS WHICH WE ARE NOT IN FAVOR OF BECAUSE THAT WILL JUST CONGESTED. IT MAY BE FIVE, SIX LIGHTS IF THEY PUT A LIGHT THERE BECAUSE SANDRIDGE DIDN'T HELP US.

IT'S NOT GOING TO IMPROVE BECAUSE CSX WILL SIT THERE TRADES THERE AND WE WILL NOT BE ABLE TO GET OUT ON OUR ROAD .

IT'S NOT A SAFETY ISSUE, IT'S A MONEY ISSUE FOR THE DEVELOPERS. IT'S NOT IN OUR FAVOR. IN QUEUE.

>> THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WISHES TO BE HEARD ON THIS MATTER AT THIS TIME? COME FORWARD AND GIVE YOUR NAME AND

ADDRESS. >> JAMES BACH , 1539 PIERCE CREEK ROAD. IT IS THE PROPERTY I BOUGHT WHICH IS JUST OFF WATKINS ROAD. I BOUGHT THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY BECAUSE I'VE BEEN A LONGTIME RESIDENT OF CLAY COUNTY AND I WANTED TO MOVE INTO THAT COMMUNITY FOR THE RURAL NEST, THE NATURE AND PRESERVES THAT CLAY COUNTY OFFERS. I CONTINUOUSLY SEE THE CONTINUING DEVELOPMENT OF SUBDIVISIONS BUT WHAT THE SPECIFIC APPLICATION WAS TO BUILD A SPLINE ROAD. WHAT THAT ALLOWS IS 650 HOMES IS WHAT THEY TOLD US AND HE SAID SPECIFICALLY THAT 85 AND 90% OF TRAFFIC WOULD BE DIVERTED FROM 209B ONTO WATKINS ROAD AND TO HAVE A CONTINUOUS LANE WHERE THEY DON'T STOP ON WATKINS ROAD. IT DOESN'T HELP THE SITUATION BECAUSE EVEN IF THEY COME OVER 209B OR COME OVER WATKINS YOU'RE DUMPING A WHOLE LOT OF EXTRA VEHICLES ONTO THAT

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IT ONLY HELPS THE SITUATION AS STATED THEY ARE GOING TO CONTINUE TO READDRESS IT FROM INDIVIDUAL SUBDIVISIONS VERSUS A LARGER SUBDIVISION TO GET AROUND IT AND I'M VERY MUCH OPPOSED . A LOT ARE SEARCHING FOR THE RURAL COMMUNITIES TO GET OUT OF THE BUSYNESS OF SUBDIVISIONS AND SO FORTH AND THIS IS ANOTHER ADVOCATE TO BRING ANOTHER LARGE SUBDIVISION AND MY IMPACT TAX I'M PAYING TO BUILD MY HOUSE I'M TRYING TO FIND MY CONTRACT FOR HIS CONTINUOUSLY INCREASING AND WILL ONLY INCREASE MORE. I OPPOSE AND APPRECIATE YOUR

TIME. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> THANK YOU. I BELIEVE SOMEONE ELSE WANTED TO COME FORWARD. YES?

>> MY NAME IS HELENA. I LIVE AT 28 89 WOODRIDGE CROSSING. I'M ONE OF THE MEMBERS ON THE CITIZENS ADVISORY COUNCIL. I WAS HERE BUT SPEAKING ON MY OWN BEHALF AS A RESIDENT AND SOMEONE THAT DIDN'T QUITE UNDERSTAND EVERYTHING. I PERSONALLY HAVE HEARD DIFFERENT STORIES ABOUT THE RAILROAD BLOCKING 209B AND I FULLY UNDERSTAND THE SAFETY COMPONENT OF NEEDING A ROAD THAT WOULD ALLOW A SECOND OUTLET. I FULLY SUPPORT THAT . I KNOW IT WOULD BE HORRIBLE IF WE WERE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF 209B AND NEEDED THAT EMERGENCY SERVICE AND COULDN'T GET OUT AND IF WE HAVE TO LEAVE TO GO WE WOULD BE STRANDED. THE WAY THIS WAS PRESENTED TO US ALL AND WE WANT THIS FOR THAT AND TO BUILD OTHER HOMES WASN'T QUITE FAIR . I PERSONALLY DON'T UNDERSTAND WHEN I LOOK AT THE LAKE ASBURY MASTER PLAN AND SEE THE RURAL AREA OF THAT SECTION AND THE COLOR-CODED MAP HOW THERE WOULD BE ANYTHING OTHER THAN ONE HOUSE PER ACRE AND NOT HAVING SO MANY HOMES IN THAT AREA. I'M STILL TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THAT FULLY. IF THERE'S ANYTHING TO DO TO SOLVE ALL OF THIS AT ONE TIME WHEN IT COMES BUT ORIOLE TO PUT THEM INTO CONSIDERATION I HOPE THAT THE ROAD EVENTUALLY WOULD POSSIBLY BE ONE OF THOSE DOTTED REDLINES AND FUTURE ROADS THAT THE COUNTY WOULD LOOK AT DOING . I PERSONALLY DID NOT LIKE THE RESPONSE WHEN I DID DIRECTLY ASK IF THEY WOULD BUILD THIS ROAD IF THEY COULDN'T HAVE THOSE HOUSES THEY WANTED THEY SAID NO. ON THE PERSONAL LEVEL OF THE SAFETY AND CONCERN IS YOUR ISSUE WHY WON'T YOU PUT THE ROAD NO MATTER HOW MANY HOUSES THEY GET? THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. >> I HAVE A QUESTION .

>> I CAME UP BUT I HAVE A QUESTION. THERE WERE A LOT OF IMPLIED THREATS. ONE WHETHER WE LIKE IT OR NOT THEY WOULD GO AHEAD AND DO WHAT THEY WANTED BECAUSE THEY WERE GOING TO GET IMMINENT DOMAIN AND THAT'S WHAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT.

REGARDLESS OF WHAT WE SAY WE ARE THE ONES ON THE ROADS INTO 09B. WE GOT IT SO CSX WOULD NOT LOCK US OUT OFTEN SO THE SAFETY FACTOR HAS ALREADY BEEN IMPROVED. ANOTHER ROAD TO WATKINS IS NOT GOING TO MAKE IT BETTER. I AM JUST SCARED ABOUT THE THREAT OF EMINENT DOMAIN THAT YOU, AS COMMISSIONERS

WOULD HAVE THE RIGHT TO DO. >> MISSED TURNS, THE COMMISSION DOESN'T HAVE ANY INVOLVEMENT IN IMMINENT DOMAIN. THAT IS SOMETHING DONE BY THE GOVERNMENT ON THEIR OWN. IT WAS NOT IN OUR MATERIALS. THERE'S NOTHING BEFORE US HAVING TO DO WITH IMMINENT DOMAIN. I WOULD SUGGEST YOU MAKE AN APPOINTMENT WITH A MEMBER OF STAFF OR CALL ON THE PHONE AND SEE IF THEY

HAVE INFORMATION. >> I THINK IT WAS MADE AS A THREAT TO GET US TO AGREE TO WHAT THEY WANTED BECAUSE IT WOULDN'T MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE IF WE SAID NO. I THINK IT WAS AN IDLE THREAT BUT IT WAS STILL A THREAT TO THOSE THAT LIVE IN

THE COMMUNITY. >> ALL RIGHT. DO WE HAVE ANYONE ELSE WHO WANTED TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? SEEING NO ONE COME FORWARD I AM GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS MATTER

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>> BEFORE EVERYONE TAKES OFF I WANT TO LET EVERYONE KNOW WITH ALL BCC AND PLANNIN AND ZONING MATTERS THESE ARE ONLINE SO YOU CAN GO TO THE AGENDA FOR TONIGHT AND SEE THE ENTIRE PACKAGE FOR EVERYTHING. THERE IS A FOUR-PAGE DOCUMENT THAT EXPLAINS THEIR REASONING. JUST WANT TO MAKE YOU AWARE.

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ISSUE, NOT A COUNTY ISSUE. >>

>> WE HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH IT.

>> WE DON'T HAVE ANY INFORMATION ON THAT.

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[2.  Public Hearing to Consider PUD 24-0006. (District 1, Comm. Cella) (J. Bryla)]

ZONING CHIEF. >> I'M HERE TO PRESENT PUD 24-0006 AND SIMILAR TO THE PREVIOUS CASE THE APPLICANT HAS REQUESTED A CONTINUANCE TO THE DECEMBER 3RD MEETING AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE TO TAKE YOUR QUESTIONS.

>> WITH THE APPLICANT LIKE TO COME FORWARD AND ADDRESS THE COMMISSION? PLEASE IDENTIFY YOURSELF. STATE YOUR NAME AND

ADDRESS. >> AT EVENING. I'M ALEX, BLACKBIRD DRIVE, YULEE, FLORIDA, 32097 ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT. WE ARE REQUESTING A CONTINUANCE OF ONE CYCLE . JUST TO GIVE BACK STORY ON THIS WE HAD OUR DRC AND DURING THE DRC PRIOR TO US GETTING INTO THE MEETING ROOM THERE WAS A BIT OF A WAIT, WE MET WITH SEVERAL RESIDENTS THAT SURROUND THE PROPERTY , HEARD THEIR CONCERNS, TAKE THEM VERY SERIOUSLY , WENT INTO THE MEETING, HEARD FROM STAFF, TOOK THEIR CONCERNS VERY SERIOUSLY, WE ENTERED THIS APPLICATION WITH 179 LOTS. SINCE THEN WHAT WE DID WAS REDUCE THE LOT YIELD BY 23 LOTS FOR UNIT TWO 156 LOTS. WE THOUGHT THIS WOULD ADDRESS SOME CONGESTION. THE LAST THING WE WANT THIS TO BE IS A CRAMMED COMMUNITY. WE WANTED TO FEEL RIGHT. WE WANT THE NEIGHBORS AND STAFF TO LIKE IT, WE WANT THE COUNTY TO LIKE IT. WE REDUCED BY 23 LOTS. WE REMOVED ALL PROPOSED LOTS THAT FELL WITHIN THE FLOOD ZONE AFTER HEARING FROM SOME NEIGHBORS TO THE SOUTHEAST. WE UNDERSTAND THEIR PROPERTIES LIE WITHIN THE FLOOD ZONE. IS DEVELOPING WOULD DO NOTHING TO BENEFT THEM IN TERMS OF RUNOFF AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE SO WE PULLED ALL THE LOTS OUT OF THE FLOOD ZONE, WE INCORPORATED A STORAGE POND WHICH ENCASES THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF OUR DEVELOPMENT. HOPEFULLY THIS WOULD HELP WITH ANY RAINFALL PERCOLATION , DOING EVERYTHING WE CAN TO ASSIST THE ALREADY EXISTING FLOODING ISSUES TO THE SOUTHEAST OF OUR PROPOSED PARCEL. WE ALSO ADDED TWO ADDITIONAL ASIDE FROM THE MAIN ENTRANCE, INGRESS AND EGRESS EASEMENTS AND WHAT WE DID WAS WE TOOK THOSE CHANGES, WENT TO THE FLEMING ISLAND ADVISORY COMMITTEE, PRESENTED THOSE, DISCUSSED EVERYTHING ABOUT THE COMMUNITY. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THE COMMUNITY MATCHES THE PRESTIGE AND REPUTATION OF FLEMING ISLAND. A COUPLE OF BOARD MEMBERS WERE REALLY PRESSING ABOUT MAKING SURE THE VALUE OF THESE HOMES MATCHED THE PRESTIGE AND REPUTATION OF FLEMING ISLAND SO WE'VE COMMITTED TO TRYING OUR DARNDEST TO HAVE PAVED DRIVEWAYS ON EVERY LOT. WE ARE ELEVATING THE LANDSCAPE ABOVE AND BEYOND THE REQUIREMENTS AND WE ARE GOING TO HAVE RESTRICTIONS ON REPETITIOUS ELEVATIONS. WE WILL HAVE SOME LANGUAGE WITHIN OUR DESCRIPTION THAT MAKES SURE IN ELEVATION CAN'T REPEAT ITSELF EVERY SO MANY LOT. SINCE THEN WE WERE ISSUED THE STAFF REPORT WE HAD MET EVERY CRITERIA OF THE STAFF REPORT EXCEPT THE VERY LAST THING WAS OUR DEVELOPMENT DID NOT FIT THE INTENT OF A PUD. IT

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>> THANK YOU. I GUESS WE NEED TO HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING

>> ONCE YOU GET ALL THESE MADE ARE YOU GOING TO GO BACK TO THE CAC AND REVISE YOUR PRESENTATION TO THEM?

>> THE CAC , I BELIEVE YOU WERE THERE, THEY RECOMMENDED

APPROVAL OF THIS. >> UNDERSTAND THAT YOU'VE HAD SOME SIGNIFICANT CHANGES. THEY DID NOT HAVE A QUORUM THAT NIGHT SO IT MIGHT BE WHO OF YOU TO DO THAT IN CASE THEY DO HAVE A QUORUM IT IS MUCH MORE MEANINGFUL RECOMMENDATION AS

OPPOSED IT IS OKAY WITH US. >> WE ARE AGREEABLE AND HAVE NO PROBLEM. I ANTICIPATED JUST MEETING WITH STAFF BUT IF YOU THINK IT WOULD BE BEST TO MEET WITH THEM ONCE AGAIN WE WOULD BE OPEN TO THAT AS WELL. YES SIR.

>> OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FOR THE APPLICANT AT THIS TIME?

>> I HAD ONE QUESTION FOR THE STAFF. ONCE THEY REWORK EVERYTHING STAFF WILL TAKE ANOTHER LOOK AT THIS ? OKAY. WE

WILL GET A NEW RECOMMENDATION. >>

>> I SAW THAT AS WELL. IN THE FORM YOU FILL OUT FOR REZONING IT DID NOT ALLOW US TO PLUG IN MORE THAN TWO PARCEL I.D.S. I MAY NOT BE THE BEST ON A COMPUTER. MAYBE THAT'S THE ISSUE BUT I COULDN'T FIGURE OUT A WAY TO PUT MORE THAN TWO

PARCEL I.D.S. THANK YOU. >> AT THIS TIME WE NEED TO DEAL WITH THE REQUEST FOR CONTINUANCE , SAME AS THE PRIOR ITEM. I'M GOING TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. YOU MAY CHOOSE TO SPEAK ON THE REQUEST FOR CONTINUANCE OR THE UNDERLYING APPLICATION. IF YOU WISH OR WAIT AND SEE WHAT THE DECISION IS ON THE REQUEST FOR CONTINUANCE. AT THIS TIME I AM GOING TO OPEN PUBLIC HEARING. IF THERE'S ANYONE WHO WANTS TO BE HEARD AT THIS TIME PLEASE COME FORWARD. YOU WILL NEED TO

GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS . >> YES. I RESIDE AT 1925 SALT CREEK DRIVE FLEMING ISLAND. I HEARD THE APPLICANT TENSION THE DESIRE TO MAINTAIN THE PRESTIGE AND CHARACTER OF FLEMING ISLAND. YOU DON'T HAVE TO LOOK TOO FAR TO SEE EXACTLY WHAT THAT IS BECAUSE IT'S DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE PROPOSED REZONING AREA . THERE ARE NEW CONSTRUCTION HOMES RIGHT THERE THAT ARE BEAUTIFUL. THEY ARE ALL ON ONE ACRE LOT, THEY MEET A DEMAND THAT IS NOT CURRENTLY BEING MET IN TERMS OF

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FLEMING ISLAND. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WISHES TO BE HEARD ON THIS?

>> 71 OLD HARD ROAD. ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE DEVELOPMENT.

>> COULD YOU MOVE THE MIC CLOSER? THANKS.

>> I CREATED A PROCONSUL LIST FOR COMMUNITY REGARDING DEVELOPMENT. THE REDUCTION FROM 180 TO 160 IS NOT GOING TO MAKE ANY SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE. I LIVE RIGHT THERE SO I CAN ATTEST TO THE THINGS I WILL LAY OUT THIS IS AN EXTREMELY CONGESTED ROAD CURRENTLY. I INVITE YOU TO COME FOR DINNER AND WATCH THAT ROAD CURRENTLY ESPECIALLY AT THE PEAK HOURS.

THERE IS NO SIDEWALKS, LIGHTS. YOU SHOULD WATCH A PEDESTRIAN TRY TO WALK THAT ROAD. IT IS VERY DANGEROUS. EVEN IF THAT WAS SOLVED YOU STILL HAVE SPEEDING AS A PROBLEM. I HAVE TO WALK ACROSS THE STREET TO GET MY MAILBOX AND I FEEL LIKE MY LIFE IS IN DANGER EVERY TIME I DO THAT. MY NEIGHBOR COULDN'T BE HERE BUT SHE IS ELDERLY AND HER FATHER IS OLDER AND HE TRIES TO CROSS THE ROAD TO GET TO HIS MAILBOX AND IT IS A MAJOR SAFETY ISSUE AS WELL. THESE HOMES ONLY EXACERBATE THAT ISSUE. I HAVE THREE DAUGHTERS AND HEAVEN FOR BID THEY WERE TO ENTER THAT ROAD. I CALLED CLAY COUNTY SHERIFF'S.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN GET THEIR INFORMATION BUT PEOPLE GO DOWN THAT ROAD. I UNDERSTAND IT'S NOT THE DEVELOPERS ISSUE BUT THAT IS STILL AN ISSUE THAT WILL GET EXACERBATED BY THIS DEVELOPMENT. SCHOOLS ARE ALREADY OVERCROWDED SO THAT'S AN ISSUE. WE DON'T HAVE A MIDDLE SCHOOL IN FLEMING ISLAND. THAT WOULD NEED TO BE ADDRESSED. FORGET ALL THE WILDLIFE IN THAT AREA. IT IS A BEAUTIFUL PROPERTY. WE CURRENTLY HAVE ALGAE ISSUES . THEY WILL -- PERMIT REQUIREMENTS AND FLOOD REQUIREMENTS. THAT DOES NOT COMPLETELY MITIGATE ALL THE FERTILIZERS ENTERED INTO THE SYSTEM. WE HAVE THE FISH CAMP THERE. PEOPLE LIVE ALONG THE LAKE. THAT WILL EXACERBATE THE ISSUE. WE HAVE THOSE EVERY TIME A HURRICANE HITS US. IT MAY HANDLE A TYPICAL AFTERNOON STORM EVENT BUT NOT A SIGNIFICANT RAIN EVENT . SORRY.

I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT WENT BY QUICK. 72 HOMES ALONG A STRETCH FROM 220 IF YOU LOOK AT WHAT -- 250% INCREASE . THAT'S A 225% INCREASE TO THAT AREA. COME OUT AND TAKE A LOOK AT THIS ROAD.

TELL ME THIS IS A GOOD IDEA. IT IS NOT.

>> I THINK WE ALL RECEIVED EMAILS FROM YOU AS WELL. YES.

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>> IS THERE ANYONE WHO WISHES TO BE HEARD ON THIS MATTER AT THIS TIME? COME FORWARD AND IDENTIFY YOURSELF.

>> MY NAME IS TODD. I JUST WANT TO SAY WELL DONE. I WAS GOING TO SAY THE SAME THING TO START OFF. THE TRAFFIC IS MY CONCERN.

THE TRAFFIC COMING THROUGH THEIR IS SO BAD RIGHT NOW THAT YOU CAN'T EVEN GET OUT OF OUR DEVELOPMENT. YOU CAN'T MAKE A LEFT. YOU HAVE TO WAIT FOR THE CARS TO GO BY AND THEY KEEP COMING DOWN TOWARD 220 AND YOU WAIT THERE FOR A LONG TIME SOMETIMES. I HAVE SEEN PEOPLE ACTUALLY GO INTO ONCOMING TRAFFIC TO MAKE THE LEFT INTO RIVERBEND BECAUSE THEY CAN'T WAIT TO GET OUT. THEY MAKE A LEFT AND THEN ANOTHER LEFT.

THAT WHOLE LIKE COMPLEX GOING IN THERE I CANNOT IMAGINE THOSE POOR PEOPLE ON RIVERBEND. IF THAT LIGHT IS WHAT I'M UNDERSTANDING IT TO BE THAT IS A DISASTER. I CAN'T UNDERSTAND HOW THAT HAPPENED. THE TRAFFIC TO GET OUT IN THE MORNING AND THEN YOU HAVE ALL THE TRAFFIC COMING OFF OF 220 , THEY ARE DOING 40 MILES AN HOUR ON THAT CURVE. IT'S A GOOD THING IT'S AN ANGLE BECAUSE IF IT WAS 90 DEGREE THEY WOULD BE FLIPPING CARS. IT'S TERRIBLE. MY WIFE IS CONSTANTLY TELLING ME SLOW DOWN. I MAINTAIN 25 AND THERE'S CARS ON MY BUTT THAT GO CRAZY BECAUSE I'M DOING 25. 179 MORE HOMES , THEY MADE AN ADJUSTMENT TO LOWER THAT, THAT DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING, THAT IS REALLY NOT GOING TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM. I REALLY NEED YOU GUYS TO UNDERSTAND HOW WE ARE LIVING OVER THERE. PLEASE LOOK AT THE TRAFFIC FLOW. THE SCHOOL STARTED THE PROBLEM, THIS WILL 10 EXIT. I'M ALL FOR IMPROVING BUT I LIKE HOMES TO BE ONE ACRE LOTS AS WELL. LET'S MAINTAIN FLEMING ISLAND TO BE A NICE PLACE AND NOT A SOUTHSIDE BOULEVARD OVER IN JACKSONVILLE.

THIS IS NOT WHAT I MOVED HERE FOR 27 YEARS AGO. THIS IS MY FIRST TIME SPEAKING. I WANTED YOU TO KNOW I AM PASSIONATE ABOUT THIS AND I HOPE YOU GUYS REALLY LOOK AT THIS.

>> THANK YOU. WE HAVE ANOTHER GENTLEMAN THAT WOULD LIKE TO COME FORWARD. PLEASE GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.

>> 1964 . I DO COMMEND THOSE WHO HAVE SPOKEN. I WOULD REFLECT THE SAME STATEMENTS THEY HAVE SAID. I'VE BEEN A MEMBER OF THAT AREA FOR ALMOST MY ENTIRE LIFE. I MOVED ACROSS THE STREET. I'VE BEEN THERE FOR 36 YEARS. I KNOW THE LANDOWNER . THEY WERE CLOSE FARM FRIENDS . I CAN REMEMBER SEEING FARM TRADES JUST TO KEEP THE AREA GOING AND I CAN TELL YOU WHEN YOU LOOK BACK AT THE DEED YOU WILL SEE THAT IS NOT THE DESIRE FOR THE AREA. I DID EMAIL Y'ALL TODAY SO I WON'T RECAP EVERYTHING. I WOULD LIKE YOU TO READ IT AND ABSORB WHAT ANOTHER MEMBER IS SAYING WILL BE REFLECTED OF THE SAME THING.

ON THE TRAFFIC EVERYONE PROBABLY SEEING WE HAVE THE FHP AND LOCAL COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE WEEKLY ON OUR PRIVATE ROAD TO HELP WITH THE TRAFFIC INFRACTIONS THAT OCCUR ON THIS.

I DON'T KNOW IF THE INFRACTIONS ARE PUBLIC RECORD BUT IF IT IS I WOULD DARE SAY PUT THAT UP AGAINST ANY OTHER NON-FDO T OWNED HIGHWAY AND SEE HOW THAT COMPARES BECAUSE WHEN I TURNED TO MY NEIGHBORHOOD AND THEY ARE THERE THERE'S ALWAYS AT LEAST FIVE OR SIX CARS PULLED OVER. THERE'S ONLY BEEN ONE FATALITY ON THIS ROAD. IT USED TO BE A DIRT ROAD. BEING PAVED HAS IMPROVED IT HOWEVER EVERYTHING HAS ADDED TO THE FACT THAT IT IS A DANGEROUS ROAD. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE ABLE TO GET THE TESTIMONY FROM THE UNITED STATES POSTAL SERVICE BUT WHAT THIS GENTLEMAN SAID ABOUT BEING UNSAFE IS TRUE. THEY APPROACHED A LONG TIME AGO TO ASK IF THEY CAN PUT OUR MAILBOXES ON OUR STREET JUST TO GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF

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>> THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE ANYONE ELSE THIS EVENING WHO WANTS TO BE HEARD ON THIS MATTER? PLEASE COME FORWARD. GIVE YOUR NAME

AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. >> ANGELA MALLORY 2121 BLUE HERON COVE DRIVE. WE ARE THE NEIGHBORHOOD NEXT DOOR TO THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT. YOU HIT MY BULLET POINTS. THE TRAFFIC IS BEEN A HUGE ISSUE MY KID GOES TO THE PROBLEM SCHOOL AND AS I WAS DROPPING HER OFF THIS MORNING AT 7:12 A.M. RETURNING FROM CANOVA ROAD BACK TOWARDS OLD HARD THE TRAFFIC WAS ALREADY BACKED UP TO WHERE YOU COULD NOT EVEN TURN. THAT BRINGS UP NOT ONLY SAFETY ISSUES BUT EMERGENCY VEHICLE ACCESS. OLD HARD ROAD REALLY DOESN'T HAVE ANY SHOULDERS OR SIDEWALKS SO IT'S NOT LIKE THE AMBULANCE IS COMING YOU CAN GET OUT OF THE WAY. I WOULD ASK THE COUNTY CONSIDER THEIR INFRASTRUCTURE FIRST BEFORE ANY FURTHER DEVELOPMENT OF THIS AREA OUTSIDE OF THE INTENDED USE WHICH IS THE ONE LOT PER ACRE WHICH IS THE INTENTION AND THAT'S THE INTENTION OF THE MASTER PLAN. THE SCHOOLS ALREADY OVERCROWDED .

ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT BASICALLY I THINK EVERYBODY ELSE HAS BROUGHT UP OTHER THINGS. DOCTORS LAKE WAS UNUSABLE FOR THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE SUMMER DUE TO THE ALGAE OUTBREAK SO EVEN IF WE ADD ANOTHER 156 LOTS TO THAT STRETCH AND ALL OF THE FLOW FROM PESTICIDES AND HERBICIDES EVERYTHING THEY WILL BE USING IS GOING TO ONLY EXACERBATE THAT ISSUE . I BROUGHT UP THE INFRASTRUCTURE. SAFETY HAS BEEN COVERED AT NAUSEA. YES. MY NEIGHBORS AND I STRONGLY APPROVES THIS. THANK

YOU. >> THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE PRESENT THAT WOULD LIKE TO BE HEARD ON THIS MATTER?

>> MY NAME IS ROBERT HICKS. 1945 LITTLE RIVER DRIVE. I'M ACTUALLY AT THE CORNER. WHERE THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT TRAFFIC I CAN'T GET OUT OF MY OWN HOME UNLESS I GO OUT THE BACK WAY.

THAT'S GOING TO CAUSE BIGGER ISSUES FOR ME. WHAT WE DON'T UNDERSTAND IS I DON'T THINK EVERYONE IS LOOKING FOR THE IMPACT OF WHAT THESE HOMES ARE GOING TO GO THROUGH. WE WON'T BE ABLE TO GET OUT OF OUR OWN NEIGHBORHOOD AT THIS POINT.

IT'S ALREADY BACKED UP WHERE I SIT HERE AND WATCH ACCIDENT AFTER ACCIDENT AFTER ACCIDENT AND I DON'T THINK ANYBODY TOOK A TRUE TRAFFIC STUDY WITH THE SCHOOL WAS GOING TO IMPACT WHEN IT GOT BUILT. IF THOSE ARE DOING THE TRAFFIC STUDY DON'T LET THEM DO THIS ONE. IT IS OUT OF CONTROL. I DON'T THINK ANYONE UNDERSTANDS WHAT WE AS A COMMUNITY GO THROUGH. WHEN IT WAS ACTUALLY A NON-PAVED ROAD IT WAS THE REASON I MOVED THERE. NOBODY WAS GOING TO COME THROUGH. NOBODY WAS GOING TO BE OUT OF CONTROL. IT CRACKS ME UP TO WATCH PARENTS WHO SAY CHILDREN BE SAFE AS THEY GO 100 MILES AN HOUR IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD. NO ONE CONSIDERS THE FACT BUSES HAVE TO GET OUT OF THE WAY OF CARS CUTTING THROUGH AND PEOPLE TRYING TO GET OUT CAN'T DO IT AT THIS POINT. I'M A LITTLE EXCITABLE BECAUSE OF VERY UPSET. I LOVE THE FACT THE NEIGHBORS OF OUR COMMUNITY ARE STANDING UP AND SAYING THINGS ABOUT WHAT'S

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IS AN ISSUE. >> THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE PRESENT WHO WISHES TO BE HEARD ON THIS MATTER AT THIS TIME? PLEASE COME FORWARD.

>> GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS STEPHEN BRANDT. 76 OLD HARDWARE. THANK YOU. I HAVE A LOT OF THE EXACT SAME COMMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN MENTIONED TONIGHT. A FEW I WOULD LIKE TO ADD ON TO BEING THAT THE ELEVATION CHANGE IS GOING TO INCREASE TO PREVENT FLOODING . AT MY HOUSE I HAVE A PUMP SYSTEM IN MY YARD TO HELP DRAIN WATER TO THE STREET. I ALREADY HAVE A FLOODING ISSUE AND BY INCREASING THE ELEVATION TO THE EXACT ADJACENT PROPERTY. WHEN I SAY EXACT THEIR FENCE LINE IS MY FENCE LINE. ALL THAT WILL DO IS FLOOD MY HOUSE. ON TOP OF THAT THAT'S A SINGLE ISSUE THAT ONLY AFFECTS ME. IT DOESN'T AFFECT EVERYBODY ELSE. YOU CANNOT LEAVE OUR HOUSE ANYTIME BETWEEN 2:30 AND 3:30. IT TAKES 35 MINUTES TO GET FROM OUR DRIVEWAY AND I HAVE A GATED DRIVEWAY JUST LIKE MY NEIGHBOR , IT TAKES 30 TO 45 MINUTES FOR US TO GET ONE QUARTER-MILE TO EXIT ON THE 220. THE INFRASTRUCTURE CANNOT NOT NECES SUBDIVISION. IT'S BEEN A DREAM FOR ME AND THIS WOULD RUIN MY

DREAM. THANK YOU. >> IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WISHES TO BE HEARD ON THIS MATTER? PLEASE COME FORWARD.

>> HI. I LIVE IT 83 OLD HARD ROAD. THE PROPERTY WHERE THEY WANT TO PUT HIS RIGHT ACROSS FROM ME. I'VE LIVED ON OLD HARD ROAD FOR PROBABLY 20 YEARS. TWO DIFFERENT TIMES WE BOUGHT ALMOST FOUR ACRES. WE SOLD TO LOTS AND BUILD A HOME AND THEN WHEN THE GENTLEMAN WAS TALKING ABOUT THE NEWER HOMES I BOUGHT THAT. WE BOUGHT THAT AND SPLIT IT AND SOLD THE TWO LOTS.

I HAVE A GOOD IDEA WHAT IT IS TO DEVELOP A LITTLE AND THE EXPECTATIONS OF THE AREA. I'M ALSO A REALTOR AND I CAN APPRECIATE WANTING NEW HOMES TO SELL. HOWEVER WE WENT OUT OF OUR WAY TO RETIRE HERE AND NOT BY HOA BECAUSE I DON'T WANT THOSE RESTRICTIONS. WE'VE SUNK A LOT OF MONEY INTO OUR HOME.

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>> IT'S DIFFICULT. IT'S DIFFICULT. TO LIVE THERE.

>> THANK YOU. I DO NOT HAVE ANY MORE CARDS ON THIS MATTER. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE PRESENT WHO WANTS TO BE HEARD ON THIS

MATTER AT THIS TIME? >>

>> DID YOU TAKE THE OATH WHEN IT WAS ADMINISTERED?

>> YES. >> OKAY. PLEASE GIVE YOUR NAME

AND ADDRESS. >> JACQUELINE WELCH, 1868 SWANEE RIVER DRIVE IN FLEMING ISLAND. IT IS IN THE RIVERBEND SUBDIVISION . THE GENTLEMAN THAT LIVES ON LITTLE RIVER, THEY ARE ALREADY CUTTING WHEN THE SCHOOL LETS OUT A BACKUP SO THEY COME THROUGH OUR SUBDIVISION . WHEN THE LIGHT GOES IN AT RIVERBEND AND WEST PARKWAY OR EAST LAKE LAND ACROSS THE STREET WHERE THE CHURCH IS THEY ARE GOING TO CUT THROUGH OUR SUBDIVISION TO GO TO THE LIGHT AND THAT MAKES A VERY SMALL ROAD . IT WOULD CREATE VERY MUCH TRAFFIC THROUGH OUR SUBDIVISION BECAUSE THEY ARE GOING TO MAKE OLD HARD ROAD RIGHT HAND TURN WHEN THEY DO THE LIGHT. THEY WILL CUT THROUGH TO GO TO THE LIGHT. THE SUBDIVISION ONLY HAS 74 HOMES.

IT WILL MAKE IT HARD FOR ANYBODY IN THAT SUBDIVISION TO

GET OUT. >> IS THERE ANYONE ELSE PRESENT WHO WISHES TO BE HEARD ON THIS MATTER? I DO NOT HAVE ANY MORE COMMENT CARDS SO I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT THIS TIME AND GIVE THE APPLICANT A CHANCE TO RESPOND

IF DESIRED. >> THANK YOU. THANK YOU TO ALL THE RESIDENTS FOR BEING HERE. I APPRECIATE YOUR INPUT. THE LAST THING WE WANT TO DO, IT'S NOT IN OUR BEST INTEREST TO BRING DEVELOPMENT TO FLEMING ISLAND THAT DOESN'T MAKE EVERYONE HAPPY. WE WANT THE NEIGHBORS TO ENCOURAGE THEIR CHILDREN IN COLLEGE GRADUATES , FAMILY MEMBERS TO COME EXPLORE THIS COMMUNITY AND CONSIDER IT TO MOVE IN. OUR GOAL IS TO MAKE THIS A NEIGHBORHOOD EVERYONE WANTS. JUST TO ANSWER A FEW CONCERNS , MAINTAINING THE PRESTIGE OF FLEMING ISLAND, THE REASON WE ARE GOING FOR A LITTLE BIT OF A SMALLER LOT IS FOR MANAGEABILITY. WE ARE HEAVILY ANTICIPATING THIS BEING MORE OF A SENIOR AND MILITARY BUYER PROFILE. I'M A VETERAN,

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SOME OF THE OTHER CONCERNS WERE THE REDUCTION IN LOTS. WE REDUCED BY 23 LOTS TO TRY AND ADDRESS A FINANCIALLY FEASIBLE MANNER THE TRAFFIC CONCERNS. 23 HOMES ARE TWO CARS A HOME.

THAT'S 46 VEHICLES. IF BOTH OF THOSE CARS LEAVE FOR WORK AND COME BACK THAT'S TWO TRIPS A DAY PER HOME PER VEHICLE.

THAT'S 86 TRIPS A DAY WE JUST REDUCED BY. I THINK WE TRIED VERY SERIOUSLY TO REDUCE TRAFFIC. TRAFFIC CONCERNS WE LIKE TO THINK THIS LOCATION IS WITHIN WALKING DISTANCE. FOR THE BUYERS THAT DO NOT FIT WITHIN THE SENIOR OR MILITARY AND THE ONES THAT DO HAVE CHILDREN HOPEFULLY ARE WITHIN WALKING DISTANCE SO WE CAN ENCOURAGE WALKING. WE ARE REQUIRED TO PUT IN SIDEWALKS ALONG THE ENTIRE FRONT PERIMETER OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. WE ARE REQUIRED TO PUT A CROSSWALK , WE ARE REQUIRED TO PUT A LEFT TURN IN, A LANE IN THE CENTER AS WELL AS A D CELL AND RIGHT TURN LANE FROM THE OTHER DIRECTION. WE ARE DOING EVERYTHING WE CAN TO ADDRESS THE TRAFFIC CONCERNS. ALSO I'M NOT A TRAFFIC ENGINEER AND I DON'T KNOW THE FULL PLANS WITH CANOVA BUT THE WAY I UNDERSTAND IT IS CANOVA HAS SOME BEATTY PLANS COMING UP SOON. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S BEING WIDENED TO THREE LANES BUT THE COUNTY DOES HAVE SOME PRETTY IN-DEPTH PLANS TO IMPROVE CANOVA AS WELL AS THE INTERSECTION OF OLD HARD ROAD AND COUNTY ROAD 220. IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY ARE GOING TO REDUCE THAT TO WHERE IT'S A RIGHT AND WRITE OUT ONLY. THERE WILL NO LONGER BE ONLY THE ABILITY TO TURN LEFT ONTO OLD HARD ROAD TO COUNTY ROAD T 20. WHAT THAT DOES IS IT FREES UP THE FLOW OF TRAFFIC. YOU WON'T HAVE THE CUEING THAT YOU SAW TO OUR WEST. IT SHOULD REALLY IMPROVE THINGS AND MOVING TO THE FLOOD ZONE BEING REMOVED FROM THE NET ACREAGE, OUR CALCULATION DOESN'T REMOVE THAT BECAUSE WE BASED IT ON THE CODE DEFINITION OF NET ACREAGE AND REDUCE THE WETLANDS FROM OUR CALCULATION.

WE UNDERSTAND THAT IS A VERY VALUABLE PART OF THE PROPERTY AND HELPS WITH PERCOLATION , THE WATER RUNOFF AND GREATLY REDUCES THE POTENTIAL FOR RUNOFF BEEN PUSHED OUT TO THE NEIGHBORS . THIS IS ALL THINGS WE TAKE VERY SERIOUSLY. THERE WAS A COMMENT ABOUT THE FUTURE LAND USE NOT SUPPORTING OUR CURRENT PROPOSED LOT YIELD. THIS IS A FUTURE LAND USE .

CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, RURAL SUPPORT THREE TO THE NET ACRE AND WE ARE RIGHT THERE AT THREE UNITS TO THE NET ACRE. I MEAN, I TAKE ALL THE CONCERNS VERY SERIOUSLY. I'VE TAKEN NOTES ON EVERY SPEAKER. I TO HAVE CHILDREN. THE LAST THING WE WANT IS A PRODUCT THAT IS DANGEROUS, UNSELLABLE AT THE END OF THE DAY OUR GOAL IS TO SELL QUALITY LONG-LASTING HOMES. THESE DON'T SELL OVERNIGHT. IT OFTEN TIMES TAKES TWO YEARS TO SELL A COMMUNITY I LIVE IN I DIDN'T HAVE NEIGHBORS ON EITHER SIDE FOR A YEAR AND A HALF. I'LL BE DARNED IF SOME POTENTIAL BUYERS DIDN'T KNOCK ON MY DOOR AND ASKED WHAT I THINK ABOUT OUR COMMUNITY. WHAT I'M GETTING AT IS THAT EARLY ADOPTERS, , WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THEY HAVE NOTHING BUT GOOD THINGS TO SAY. THE TRAFFIC CIRCULATION IS GOOD. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WATER PRESSURE IS GOOD.

THERE'S NO ISSUE WITH IRRIGATION SYSTEMS. IT'S ALL IN OUR BEST INTEREST TO ADDRESS AND MAKE SURE WE START WITH OUR BEST FOOT FORWARD. I APPRECIATE EVERYONE. WE WILL CERTAINLY DO OUR BEST TO ADDRESS EVERY CONCERN. THANK YOU FOR LETTING

ME REBUTTAL. >> THANK YOU. ARE THERE QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FOR THE APPLICANT AT THIS TIME? IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE FOR US TO CONSIDER THE REQUEST FOR

CONTINUANCE. >> CURRENTLY HAVE HEARD A LOT OF DIFFERENT IDEAS OF HOW BIG OF A HOUSE CAN BE BUILT AND HOW MUCH PROPERTY. WHAT IS THE ACTUAL CURRENT ZONING FOR THAT PARTICULAR AREA IF NO ZONING CHANGES WERE MADE HOW MANY COULD GO INTO THAT SPECIFIC AREA?

>> ONE PER ACRE. APPROXIMATELY 60. I HAVE TO NET OUT THE

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>> THIS MAY BE A QUESTION FOR RALPH. THIS WENT BACK NOW A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO. THERE WAS SOMEONE ELSE TRYING TO DEVELOP

THIS AREA WERE THEY? >> I DON'T REMEMBER THIS

SPECIFICALLY. >> I REMEMBER A LESSER AMOUNT OF HOMES AND WE DENIED THAT. AT THAT TIME. I JUST WANTED TO TRY

AND REFLECT ON THAT AS WELL. >> I THINK THE APPLICANT WANTED

TO COMMENT. >> YES.

>> THE PREVIOUS APPLICATION WAS FOR 40 FOOT WIDE LOTS. MUCH MORE DENSE THAN OURS. IT ONLY ENCUMBERED ONE PARCEL OUT OF THE FIVE WE CURRENTLY HAVE ASSEMBLED. IT WAS A MUCH SMALLER NET ACREAGE WITH A MUCH HIGHER DENSITY THAN WHAT WE ARE

PROPOSING TODAY. THANK YOU. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS BY THE COMMISSION BEFORE WE MOVE ON ?

>> I'M FAMILIAR WITH THIS ROAD. I TRAVEL ALL THE TIME .

I'M SURE WE ALL DO HERE. ONE OF THE BIGGEST CONCERNS I HAVE IS OBVIOUSLY I UNDERSTAND THE ISSUE WITH GOING ACROSS THE STREET AND YOU SEE ALL THE MAILBOXES FROM WHERE THE HOMES ARE. THESE PEOPLE HAVE TO CROSS TO GET THAT. IS THE POSTAL SERVICE GOING TO LET THEM PUT MAILBOXES ON THEIR SIDE IF THIS GOES THROUGH? THE OTHER PROBLEM I HAVE IS THE COVERTS. THERE IS LITERALLY THIS IS THE SHOULDER ON THAT ROAD. THERE'S NO SHOULDER. BESIDES TRAFFIC AND EVERYTHING I WILL TELL YOU IF WE HAVE TO HEAR THIS I WILL PROBABLY OPPOSE IT.

>> THANK YOU. ARE WE READY TO MOVE TO THE REQUEST FOR

CONTINUANCE? >> WHAT HAPPENS IF THE REQUEST

IS DENIED? >> WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE

MATTER ON THE MERITS. >> WE VOTE ON IT.

>> WHAT IS THE PLEASURE OF THE COMMISSION?

>> I MOVE CONTINUANCE. I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT.

>> DO WE HAVE A SECOND? MOTION AND SECOND. COMMISSIONER WOULD

LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT. >> I WILL SUPPORT A CONTINUANCE. I THINK THIS DEVELOPER DESERVES THE OPPORTUNITY TO REWORK THIS AND BRING IT BACK. I'M NOT SURE I WILL BE SUPPORTIVE OF WHAT YOU BRING BACK. I HARDLY EVER GO DOWN OLD HARD ROAD ALTHOUGH I LIVE VERY CLOSE TO THIS. I HATE THAT STREET. ALL THE THINGS EVERYBODY POINTED OUT IS A PROBLEM. I GOT MYSELF IN HOT WATER BECAUSE WHEN THEY TALKED ABOUT REDESIGNING THAT INTERSECTION I SUGGESTED THEY MAKE OLD HARD ROAD A CUL-DE-SAC AS MUCH AS I HATED JUST SO YOU COULDN'T GET OFF OF OLD HARD ROAD INTO 220. THE OTHER THING IS CANOVA ROAD CREATED A PROBLEM. THIS IS WHERE SOME OF THIS I WILL PROBABLY SAVE BUT THIS IS WHERE THERE ARE CONSEQUENCES TO WHAT PEOPLE DO THAT AFFECT OTHER THINGS. THE SCHOOL EVERYONE'S TALKING ABOUT IS A CHARTER SCHOOL. YOU BUILD A CHARTER, YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO ANY TRAFFIC STUDIES, YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO ANY OF THE STUFF YOU DO WHEN YOU BUILD A PUBLIC SCHOOL. HAD THAT BEEN A PUBLIC SCHOOL YOU WOULDN'T HAVE THIS PROBLEM BUT IT'S A PRIVATE CHARTER SCHOOL. THINGS KIND OF CASCADE. ONE AFFECTS THE OTHER AND SO ON. I THINK WE SHOULD LET IT GO UNTIL NEXT MONTH AND SEE WHAT THE CHANGES ARE. I WILL JUST THROW IT OUT HERE. H THAT DON'T LET YOU PARK RVS IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD, I DON'T LIKE THAT. IT SEEMS TO BE THE WAY EVERYTHING IS DONE. ESPECIALLY IF YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE LARGE YOU SHOULD LET PEOPLE PARK THERE.

>> DO WE HAVE ANY FURTHER COMMENT OR DISCUSSION BEFORE WE CALL THE QUESTION ON CONTINUANCE ? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF GRANTING THE REQUEST TO CONTINUANCE PLEASE SAY AYE.

ANY OPPOSE? WE HAVE THREE AND OPPOSITION AND THREE IN FAVOR.

>> YOU HAVE TO ASK. >> SO WHAT IS YOUR VOTE?

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>> THANK YOU. APPRECIATE YOU ALL.

>> THANK YOU.

>> CAN ASK A QUESTION ? IS THERE ANY OTHER APPLICATIONS TALK ABOUT THAT AREN'T ON THE AGENDA?

>> THEY HAVE TO BE NOTICED.

>> IF YOU ARE LEAVING, PLEASE DO SO QUICKLY AND EFFICIENTLY SO WE CAN MOVE ON WITH OUR NEXT ITEM OF BUSINESS. WE HAVE A FEW MORE ITEMS ON OUR AGENDA. WE THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. ITEM

[3.  Public Hearing to consider COMP 24-0022 and PUD 24-0007. (District 5, Comm. Burke) (D. Selig)]

GO TO THE ZONING PORTION. >> GOOD EVENING. AS WE SAID THIS IS TWO ITEMS. ONE PROJECT. FUTURE LAND USE AND A CHANGE TO THE ZONING. THE ITEM WILL BE HEARD ON THE NOVEMBER 12 BOARD MEETING. THE PROPERTY IS ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF SHEDD ROAD. IT IS EAST OF WILLOW SPRINGS DRIVE. IT IS THE CAC DISTRICT. THIS IS ONE PARCEL JUST OVER 21 ACRES. THE CHANGE TO FUTURE LAND USE WOULD BE FROM RURAL RESIDENTIAL TO RULE FRINGE. THE CHANGE FROM ZONING WOULD BE FROM AGRICULTURAL RESIDENTIAL TO PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT. SOME OF YOU MAY RECOGNIZE THE LOCATION OF THE PROPERTY . THERE WAS A DIFFERENT APPLICATION ABOUT A YEAR AGO . ON THE LEFT WE HAVE ARIEL AND ON THE RIGHT WE HAVE PARCEL SHOWING LOCATIO OF THE PROPERTY. ON THE LEFT IS THE EXISTING FUTURE LAND USE AND ON THE RIGHT WE HAVE THE OPPOSED CHANGE TO THE RULE FRINGE. THIS IS THE EXISTING ZONING AND AGRICULTURAL ZONING IS THE BOTTOM QUARTER ROUGHLY , SOUTH QUARTER. NORTHERN IS THE DARKER GREEN. THE APPLICANT DESIRES TO CONSTRUCT A SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION TOTALING 58 HOMES. THIS WOULD BE A DENSITY OF 2.73 UNITS PER ACRE UNDER FRINGE LAND-USE .

THERE IS A REQUIREMENT FOR OPEN SPACE OF A MINIMUM OF 10% OF THE ACREAGE. THE PUD WOULD PROVIDE 18% SO INCREASE OVER WHAT IS REQUIRED. THE REQUIREMENTS ALSO REQUIRE 4% OF THE 10% FOR RECREATION. THE PUD IS PROPOSING TO PROVIDE ACTUALLY 10% . CONSIDERABLY MORE THAN THE REQUIREMENT. IN ADDITION THERE IS A PERIMETER BUFFER AT THE MOMENT.

TECHNICALLY BECAUSE THE USES ARE ADJACENT TO THE SAME USE THERE ISN'T A PERIMETER BUFFER REQUIREMENT HOWEVER THE PUD IS PROPOSING A BUFFER ALONG THE SOUTH AND EAST SIDES AND A 30 FOOT BUFFER ALONG THE WEST SIDE . THE PUD ALSO PROVIDES ENHANCED LANDSCAPING . THE SUBDIVISION WOULD BE KNOWN AS SPRINGHILL AND IT WOULD HAVE TREE PLANTINGS THROUGHOUT THE SUBDIVISION. I'LL SHOW A SKETCH IN A MOMENT WITH ADDITIONALLY A WALKING TRAIL THROUGH THE CEHINTRAL PARK SPAC AROUND . THE APPLICANT WILL GIVE YOU DETAILS ON THEIR METHOD OF SUPPORTING THE CLOSING OF THE ROAD AT THE EAST END OF WILLOW SPRINGS DRIVE. THE APPLICANT WOULD DO CERTAIN THINGS INCLUDING TAKING CARE OF AN EASEMENT THAT WOULD BE NEEDED TO CONSTRUCT A SECONDARY ACCESS FOR WILLOW SPRINGS PERMITTING CONSTRUCTION OF A WATER MAIN REQUIRED , CONSTRUCTING THE SECONDARY MEANS OF ACCESS AND CONSTRUCTING A FIRE ACCESS GATE THAT WOULD BE SECURED FOR

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SORRY. THE WHITE AREAS IN THE CENTER, THIS IS A LARGE STORM WATER POND ON THE NORTHEAST CORNER AND DOWN HERE THERE'S AN ADDITIONAL STORM WATER POND. YOU CAN SEE THE CENTRAL ROAD.

THIS IS THE PARK AREA. THE TRAIL WOULD RUN ALL THE WAY UP THROUGH HERE. THIS IS OPEN SPACE AROUND THERE AND BACK IN A LOOP. IN ADDITION THIS IS OFF THEIR PROPERTY. THEY WOULD PAVE THIS PORTION AND PROVIDE A SIDEWALK ALONG THE SOUTH AND EAST SIDE AND CROSSING OVER THEY WOULD CONTINUE UP TOWARD THE CUL-DE-SAC HERE WHICH IS WHERE HE CURRENTLY STOPS. THE CAC HEARD THIS AND VOTED TO REMIND US TO NOT TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE APPLICATIONS . STAFF REVIEWED CRITERIA FOR THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND FOR REZONING AND FINDS THOSE CONDITIONS HAVE BEEN MET AND RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE APPLICATION. THE APPLICANT IS HERE AND HAS A PRESENTATION AS WELL . HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS.

>> ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME BEFORE WE HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT? WE WILL HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT AT THIS TIME

THEN. >> GOOD EVENING. 3517 PARK STREET IN JACKSONVILLE. I'M HERE REPRESENTING A NEW OWNER OF THIS PROPERTY. MOST WILL REMEMBER JUST A LITTLE LESS THEN A YEAR YOU CONSIDEED AN APPLICATION TO ALSO CHANGE THE LAND-USE AND PUD SITE PLAN. THE APPLICANT THAT BROUGHT YOU THE APPLICATION LAST YEAR WAS NOT SUCCESSFUL . THEREFORE, THEY HAVE HARD FUNDS TO ACQUIRE THE PROPERTY AND TAKE IT THROUGH THE PROCESS. THEY WERE UNABLE TO PAY THEIR LOAN BACK SO THE CURRENT OWNER FORECLOSED ON THE PROPERTY OVER THE SUMMER. I'M HERE REPRESENTING THE CURRENT OWNERS OF THE PROPERTY WHO ARE SEEKING TO ENTITLE IT AND WILL PASS THIS ONTO A DEVELOPER HOMEBUILDER KIND OF DEVELOPMENT PROCESS.

THE APPLICATION IS FOR LAND-USE CHANGE TO 21.2 ACRES. EAST OF COUNTY ROAD 315 IN THE EAST AND . WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS MAP WE ALL KIND OF ZOOMED IN AND LOOK AT THAT RURAL RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY CURRENTLY ZONED. TO THE FURTHER WEST IS SARATOGA SPRINGS WHICH WAS RE-ENTITLED FOR 5000 UNITS OVER THE LAST YEAR. TO THE NORTH IS THE MASTER PLAN AND THE QUARTER YOU SEE GARBER , THE GARBER CAR DEALERS. IT COMES THROUGH WILLOW SPRINGS AND THEN IT CONTINUES AS A DIRT ROAD . THE COMMERCIAL AREA , CLAY COUNTY MAINTAINS AS A PRESCRIPTIVE ROAD . THEY GRADE 20 FEET OF WITH BECAUSE THEY GRADED FOR QUITE A LONG TIME IT IS THE 20 FEET PORTION THEY MAINTAI. IT DOES NOT OWN ANY LAND SO THERE'S NO RIGHT-OF-WAY TO THE EAST OF WILLOW SPRINGS DRIVE. THERE IS A DIRT ROAD PEOPLE USE. WHEN YOU ZOOM OUT FOR LAND-USE THIS IS A LAND-USE CONSIDERATION AND WHY IT'S APPROPRIATE . THE COUNTY IS MAKING A $40 MILLION INVESTMENT IN CATHEDRAL OAK PARKWAY. IT IS

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THIS GREEN LINE IS CATHEDRAL OAK PARKWAY. THAT'S COMING FROM 17 OVER TO THE EXPRESSWAY. IF YOU LOOK UNDERNEATH THAT THAT IS HOW CLOSE SHOULD ROAD IS TO THIS MAJOR $40 MILLION IMPROVEMENT THE COUNTY IS MAKING. WHEN IT WAS A DIRT ROAD IT WAS THE ONLY ROAD. IT WAS A FARM TO MARKET ROAD. 315 TO THE WEST WITH THE GREEN SILOS AND THE COWS, THE LANDFILL IS ON 315. THIS WAS A RURAL PART OF CLAY COUNTY. THE COUNTY HAS A POINT SYSTEM FOR ITS LAND-USE CATEGORIES. WHEN YOU ARE CLOSE TO SERVICES THAT'S WHERE WE MADE OUR INVESTMENT AND WHERE WE WANT YOUR DEVELOPMENT TO BE. THIS IS ELIGIBLE FOR 85 POINTS UNDER THE FUTURE LAND USE POLICY THAT SETS OUT THE DISTANCES AND FOR RURAL FRINGE YOU ARE REQUIRED TO HAVE 80.

WHEN THE COUNTY BUILT A FIRE STATION WATER AND SEWER, FIRE PROTECTION, EMF ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE SCHOOL, THIS IS WHERE THE COUNTY HAS SOUGHT TO DIRECT ITS DEVELOPMENT. I THINK DODIE GAVE THE SAME MAP. AS YOU CAN SEE WHEN YOU FILL IN THE

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WHERE IT SAYS IMMUNITY AT THE BOTTOM THAT LAND-USE CATEGORY IS DEVELOPED AT SUBURBAN LOT PATTERN SIMILAR TO WHAT WOULD BE PROPOSED IN THIS APPLICATION. WHEN YOU GET TO THE NUTS AND BOLTS IT'S A PUD RESIDENTIAL PUD. 21.2 ACRES.

WHEN YOU SAW THIS BEFORE I HAVE TO SAY YOU ONLY GET ONE CHANCE TO MAKE A GOOD FIRST IMPRESSION. THIS DIDN'T MAKE A GOOD ENOUGH IMPRESSION TO CAUSE YOU TO CONSIDER THIS FAVORABLY SO WE HAVE MADE SOME CHANGES TO THE SITE PLAN BASED ON COMMENTS MADE IN THE PUBLIC HEARINGS IN DECEMBER AND JANUARY OF LAST YEAR AND THIS YEAR. WE ATTENDED THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE MEETING IN OCTOBER OF THIS YEAR SO ANOTHER WEEK AND A HALF AGO, TWO WEEKS AGO AND WE HEARD A REITERATION OF THINGS WE HAD HEARD AT THE PUBLIC HEARINGS AND WE SOUGHT TO EXPLAIN TO THE COMMUNITY AND PEOPLE WHO ATTENDED THAT MEETING HOW THIS PLAN ADDRESSES THOSE CONCERNS. THE LOT SIZE UNIT COUNT HAS COME DOWN. IT WAS 62 AND NOW IT IS 58. THERE ARE SOME DIFFERENCES THAT MAKE THAT WERE SIGNIFICANT THAN JUST FOR LOTS WOULD MAKE YOU THINK. WE INDICATED THE RECREATION SPACE IS TWO ACRES, OVER TWO ACRES. THAT'S MORE THAN TWICE REQUIRED. BUFFERS AND CLAY COUNTY WHEN YOUR HOUSES TO HOUSES THERE ISN'T ANY SPACE REQUIREMENT IN THE LANDSCAPE ORDINANCE. IF YOU'RE BETWEEN A HOUSE AND A WALMART OR GAS STATION YOU HAVE A 20 FOOT BUFFER. WHEN IT'S JUST HOUSES TO HOUSES IT'S CONSIDERED LIKE USE. THE COUNTY REQUIRES YOU PLANT TREES BUT YOU DON'T HAVE A PHYSICAL DISTANCE SEPARATION.

I WILL SHOW YOU HOW WE ADDED THAT AND THINK THAT IS A COMPONENT BOTH TO THE DRAINAGE THAT MAY BE REQUIRED AND FOR RESPECT FOR THE NEIGHBORS TO OUR WEST . THIS IS MORE OF A CONTEXT PICTURE. IF YOU COME OFF 315 YOU ARE JUST NORTH OF ELEMENTARY SCHOOL. THE PAVED ROAD CONTINUES THROUGH THE END OF WILLOW SPRINGS AND IT'S A DIRT ROAD OUT TO THE EAST TO THE RAILROAD TRACKS. THERE IS THE MAP AGAIN. THE PUD SITE LANDS CHANGE WE MADE WE THINK MAKE THIS BETTER THAN YOU CONSIDERED LAST YEAR IS WE HAVE THE LOT REDUCTION. THE MINIMUM LOT WIDTH FOR EVERY LOT WHEN HE SOUGHT LAST YEAR WAS 50 FEET. A 50 FOOT LOT WITH A FIVE FOOT SIDE YARD. THESE HAVE BEEN INCREASED TO 55 FEET AND GREATER. THE BALANCE ARE 55 OR GREATER AND 34% ARE 60 FEET AND GREATER. THE BIG INCREASE WAS NOT JUST FIVE FEET, BUT THE MINIMUM SIDE YARD IS 7 1/2 FEET. FOR THOSE WHO HAD BEEN HERE A LONG TIME THE SEPARATION USED TO BE 15 FEET AND IT'S PART OF FIRE CODE. FIRE CODE CHANGED AND WHAT YOU SEE NOW ARE FIVE FOOT SIDE YARDS. YOU SEE TWO-STORY BUILDINGS , 10 FEET BETWEEN THE BUILDING. YOU HAVE FIVE FEET YOU CAN'T DO ANYTHING WITH. ONCE YOU END UP WITH 7 1/2 FEET WHICH IS THE PATTERN MOST PEOPLE IN THE SUBURBAN ENVIRONMENT IT MAKES A BIG DIFFERENCE IN THE FEEL AND COMPACTNESS OF THE DEVELOPMENT. THE GARAGE SETBACK CLAY COUNTY IS TRYING TO GO TO A 25 FOOT MINIMUM SETBACK TO A GARAGE FOR ALL THE PEOPLE WHO DRIVE PICKUP TRUCKS AND OPPOSE PEOPLE TO USE SIDEWALKS IN THE SUBDIVISION SO THE SETBACK IS SET AT 25 FEET.

THE PERIMETER BUFFER IS IN H OWNED TRACK. THAT MEANS THERE WON'T BE A FENCE AGAINST OUR BOUNDARY. THERE WILL BE 20 FEET ON THE EAST AND ON THE SOUTH AND THERE'S 30 FEET TO THE WEST AND THAT AREA IS OPEN SPACE THAT EXCEEDS AN ACRE IN

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THE ONLY WAY TO STOP THAT CONTINUOUS TRAFFIC IS TO CLOSE SHED ROAD. THE COUNTY CAN'T CLOSE SHED ROAD BECAUSE IT SERVES AS A SECONDARY MEANS OF ACCESS FOR THOSE RESIDENTS IN WILLOW SPRINGS. IF YOU'VE BEEN IN THE ROOM RECENTLY WHEN YOU HAVE MORE THAN 100 LOTS THE FIRE CODE REQUIRES YOU HAVE A SECONDARY MEANS OF ACCESS IF THERE IS AN ACCIDENT AND EMERGENCY SERVICES CAN'T GET THERE HAS TO BE ANOTHER WAY IN.

THE COLLEGE ROAD PROJECT YOU SAW ME WITH WE HAD A SECONDARY ACCESS OF COLLEGE. THE PROJECT I DON'T THINK EVEN CAME TO YOU FOR APARTMENTS ON 220 , WE WENT TO GREAT LENGTHS TO CREATE A SECONDARY MEANS OF ACCESS SO THIS IS A REAL REQUIREMENT FOR DEVELOPMENT AND IT'S PART OF PUBLIC SAFETY REQUIREMENTS.

I'LL GO TO THE DETAILS OF HOW THIS IS ACCOMPLISHED BUT WE MADE COMMITMENTS TO SUPPORT THE COUNTY'S EFFORTS TO CLOSE SHED ROAD BIKE CONSTRUCTING THE MEANS OF ACCESS. IT WOULD SERVE OUR PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT AND THE WILLIAM BLOCKER COMMUNITY TO OUR WEST. ONE OF THE THINGS WE HAVE TO DO -- I ONLY BELABOR THIS BECAUSE I SPOKE TO MANY PEOPLE ABOUT THIS AND NOT EVERYONE WAS AWARE WE ARE REQUIRED TO PAVE SHED ROAD FROM THE END OF THE PAVEMENT AT WILLOW SPRINGS. IF YOU GO OUT NOW THERE'S A CUL-DE-SAC AND IF YOU DROP OFF THE END OF THE PAVEMENT AND GO ON THE DIRT ROAD TO THE EAST THIS PROPERTY IS TO THE SOUTH . IT SERVES OUR COMMUNITY. THEY WILL BRING PAVED ROAD ACCESS CLOSER TO OUR NEIGHBORS BECAUSE WE WOULD DEVELOP AND HAVE TO PROVIDE FIRE SERVICE FOR OUR DEVELOPMENT, WE WILL BRING CENTRAL WATER AND FIRE HYDRANTS. TO THE CORNER WITH THE WILLIAM WALKER LANE COMMUNITY. THEY HAVE BETTER ACCESS FOR FIRE MEANS AND FIRE HYDRANT PROTECTION. WE HAD A COUPLE PEOPLE SAY YOU WOULD PAY THAT ROAD. IN ORDER TO BUILD THE SECOND MEANS OF ACCESS WE HAVE TO REQUIRE EASEMENTS FROM THE CLAY COUNTY UTILITY AUTHORITY . THERE IS A SIMPLE TRACK AT THE END OF LOT IN PLACE IN WILLOW SPRINGS . THE HOA OWNS THE LAND BETWEEN THE WHITE VINYL FENCE AND RIGHT-OF-WAY. IT'S CURRENTLY PLATTED AND THERE IS AN EASEMENT. THEY AGREED THEY

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PEOPLE WHO DON'T LIVE THERE TRYING TO GET SOMEWHERE FASTER.

ONE OF THE REASONS THE COUNTY CAN EVEN CONSIDER CLOSING SHED ROAD IS BECAUSE THEY WILL BUILD THAT 40 MILLION DOLLAR ROAD. IT WAS THE ONLY WAY TO GET AROUND. WHEN THAT CONNECTION IS A BELT EVERYBODY SHOULD BE ON THAT ROAD. THAT'S WHERE THE COMMERCIAL WILL BE, THAT'S WHERE THE TRAFFIC LIGHTS WILL BE, THAT'S WHERE THE COUNTY CAN MANAGE THE TRAFFIC VOLUME ON A ROAD THAT DOESN'T HAVE DRIVEWAYS ON IT. THE COMMUNITY WILL LOSE THE THROUGH TRAFFIC. THEY WILL GAIN TRAFFIC FROM OUR SUBDIVISION, NO QUESTION, BUT ALL WILL BE LIKE THEM AND THERE WILL BE PEOPLE WHO LIVE THERE, HAVE CHILDREN, WALK THEIR DOGS, THAT KIND OF TRAFFIC, NOT THE AMAZON GUY ON A TIMER TRYING TO GET FROM POINT A TO POINT B. THIS IMPROVEMENT WE CAN MAKE THAT THE COUNTY CANNOT MAKE, THE COUNTY CAN'T SPEND PUBLIC MONEY ON PRIVATE LAND, THEY CAN'T TAKE THIS CONNECTION THE SECONDARY ACCESS IMPROVEMENT BUT WE CAN. IT BENEFITS US AND OUR PUD SAYS WE WILL DO IT AND WE CAN'T GET OUR CEOS FOR HOUSES UNTIL WE BUILD IT. IT ALSO SAYS WE CAN'T GET A CO FOR HOUSES UNTIL THAT CONNECTION IS MADE. WE LOOKED THROUGH HAD A MAKE IT BETTER THAN IT IS. THE COUNTY AND I THINK MR. SMITH IS HERE TONIGHT AND CAN ANSWER QUESTIONS ABOUT THEIR DESIRE TO CLOSE SHEDD ROAD. THE COUNTY MAINTAINS SHEDD ROAD IS A DIRT ROAD . THEY RUN THAT UP U.S. 17 AND PAY A CHECK AND MAINTAIN IT. WHEN IT IS FLOODED AND RAINING THEY ARE OUT THERE MORE THAN THAT. WE WOULD PARTICIPATE IN MSBU FOR SHEDD ROAD BETWEEN WILLOW SPRINGS DRIVE AND OUR ENTRANCE THAT WE SHOWED YOU. WE WILL HAVE MSBU THAT COVERS ALL THE ROAD AND PARTICIPATE AND WILLOW SPRINGS DRIVE WITH THE WILLOW SPRINGS COMMUNITY. WE HAVE A REQUEST TO A CHANGE TO CONDITION THAT YOU HAVE TONIGHT. WE ARE CURRENTLY PHASED THE WEIGHT OF THE PUD IS WRITTEN THAT WE CAN'T GET A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY UNTIL CATHEDRAL OAK PARKWAY'S OPEN BETWEEN 17 AND THE FIRST COAST EXPRESSWAY. THE GENTLEMAN WHO ON THE PROPERTY WILL NOT DEVELOP THIS BUT THEY HAVE PEOPLE INTERESTED AND ARE LOOKING AT ALL OF THIS. THEY SAID WE DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT BUT WE NEED A DATE BECAUSE IF THE COUNTY FALLS BEHIND BY TWO MONTHS OR THREE MONTH WE ARE GOING TO HAVE DEADLINES AND WE HAVE DONE OUR PART SO WE NEED A DATE . WE WOULD ASK YOU CONSIDER PUTTING A DATE . CURRENTLY THE COUNTY'S BONDED ROAD PROGRAM MAP SAYS SPRING OF 2026 AND I TOOK THAT TO BE APRIL 30TH OF 2026. CURRENTLY THAT IS THE COUNTY'S TARGET AND WE THINK THEY ARE ON TRACK TO DO THAT. IT ALSO SAYS THE TRAVEL WILL BE CATHEDRAL PARKWAY BETWEEN 17 AND THE EXPRESSWAY AND TALKING TO MR. SMITH THIS AFTERNOON THE COUNTY IS NOT MAKING IMPROVEMENTS CURRENTLY BETWEEN 17 AND THE FIRE STATION WHERE THE ROAD MAKES A BEND. THAT PART IS ALREADY OPEN. WE ARE ASKING TO CLARIFY. I'M NOT SURE BETWEEN THE CURRENT IMPROVEMENT AND 17 WILL BE RENAMED. IT MIGHT STAY. I'M NOT SURE. WE ARE SAYING TRAVEL WOULD BE OPEN BETWEEN 315 AND THE EXPRESSWAY AND THERE IS A DATE. THAT GIVES SOMEONE WHO IS GOING TO MAKE AN INVESTMENT A DATE THAT THEY CAN HANG THEIR HAT ON. WE HEARD COMMUNITY CONCERNS OF THE PUBLIC

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THERE'S TWO PIPES UNDER THAT ROAD RIGHT NOW. IT WILL RESTORE THE DRAINAGE PATTERN THAT SHEDD ROAD CURRENTLY INFLUENCES. WE BELIEVE IT HAS BOTH A TRAFFIC BENEFIT WHEN REMOVED AND IT ALSO HAS AN IMPACT ON FLOODING IF REMOVED. WE ALSO HEARD ABOUT EXISTING EMERGENCY ACCESS ABOUT SCHOOL BUSES AND SPEEDING CARS.

I LOOKED AT THE PLAT FOR WILLOW SPRINGS WHICH ARE BOTH AVAILABLE ON THE COUNTY'S WEBSITE. THERE ARE CARS PARKED ON WILLOW SPRINGS DRIVE AND PEOPLE DO THAT IN THEIR SUBDIVISIONS ALL THE TIME. THE COUNTY REQUIREMENT FOR RIGHT-OF-WAY IS 60 FEET AND WILLOW SPRINGS DRIVE UP PAST THE CENTER HAS AN 80 FOOT RIGHT-OF-WAY. A 70 FOOT RIGHT-OF-WAY AND BALANCE IS 60 FEET. THE PAYMENT WAS 24 FEET.

WILLOW SPRINGS DRIVE PAYMENT IS 32 FEET. 30 FEET AND THE FAR EAST OR THE BALANCE IS 24 FEET. RIGHT-OF-WAY IN WILLOW SPRINGS DRIVE DOES MEET COUNTY STANDARDS. THE CUL-DE-SACS HAVE A FULL 90 FOOT DIAMETER PAVEMENT. THESE ARE THE COUNTY STANDARDS AND THE DEVELOPER PROVIDED THEM. THEY EXCEEDED THEM IN A NUMBER OF PLACES. I HEARD BOTH AT THE CAC AND PUBLIC HEARINGS THAT SCHOOL BUSES WERE HAVING TROUBLE GETTING IN AND TURNED AROUND. THEY TRY TO TURN AROUND AND THERE'S CARS PARKED AND THEY CAN DO IT. IF YOU LOOK AT THE SUBDIVISION WE ARE PROPOSING A SCHOOL BUS WOULD COME IN WILLOW SPRINGS DRIVE, TURN SOUTH ON SHEDD ROAD THAT WE ARE GOING TO PAVE AND COME INTO OUR SUBDIVISION AND OURS IS A BIG LOOP ROAD SO YOU WOULD NO LONGER HAVE'S BUSES THAT NEED TO TURN AROUND IN A CUL-DE-SAC TO GET OUT OF WELL SPRINGS DRIVE. THIS IS A WALK SEWN FOR THE NEW ELEMENTARY SCHOOL. THIS WOULD BE BUSES FOR THE MIDDLE AND HIGH'S. I THINK WE TRY TO THINK ABOUT WAYS TO ADDRESS ALL OF THE CONCERNS WE GOT FROM BOTH THE PUBLIC HEARINGS. THIS IS THE PLAT FOR WILLOW SPRINGS THAT SHOWS 80 FEET RIGHT-OF-WAY AND 70 FEET RIGHT-OF-WAY. WHEN YOU COME TO THE END THIS IS THE PAVED CUL-DE-SAC HERE. THIS PLAQUE EXTENDED TO THE END OF SHEDD ROAD WHERE IT TURNS TO DIRT AND ALL THE WAY DOWN IN FRONT OF THE PROPERTY YOU ARE CONSIDERING THIS EVENING AND ALL THE WAY TO THE END OF WILLIAM WALKER LANE IS A PLAT AT 60 FOOT RIGHT-OF-WAY CONVEYED TO CLAY COUNTY. THE IMPROVEMENTS WE WOULD MAKE WOULD BE WITHIN PUBLIC RIGHT-OF-WAY INTENDED FOR THESE IMPROVEMENTS SO RECOGNIZE THESE WERE GOING TO BE PART OF THE FUTURE. THIS IS THE PAVEMENT WITH FOR WILLOW SPRINGS. REALLY I THINK WE MADE A CONCERTED EFFORT TO HEAR WHAT PEOPLE'S

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THEY ARE HERE AS WELL. >> QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT

AT THIS TIME? >> I WANT TO CONFIRM THE PRIMARY ACCESS FOR THE PROPERTY WOULD BE THROUGH WILLOW

SPRINGS. >> CORRECT.

>> THAT MEANS EVERYBODY THAT LIVES ON THE UPPER END OF SHEDD ROAD WOULD HAVE TO EXIT THROUGH WILLOW SPRINGS , NOT JUST THE DEVELOPMENT BUT ALSO THE OTHER RESIDENTS?

>> YOU MEAN THE EAST SIDE? >> I DON'T KNOW WHICH ONE, BUT WHEN YOU PAVE THAT ROAD THAT GOES BACK AROUND THAT CUTS OFF SHEDD ROAD GOING EAST RIGHT? THAT MEANS THE RESIDENTS THAT LIVE ON SHEDD ROAD UP THERE WOULD ALSO HAVE TO EXIT THROUGH

WILLOW SPRINGS. >> THE OTHER END OF THIS. ON THE EAST SIDE OF SHEDD ROAD OVER BY GARBER THERE WOULD BE A CUL-DE-SAC. I'M SPEAKING FOR MR. SMITH, BUT WHEN YOU COME,

>> YOU'RE AT THE WRONG END. >> I WANT TO MAKE SURE, EVERYBODY IN WILLOW SPRINGS , OUR SUBDIVISION WOULD USE WELL SPRINGS DRIVE AND THE 14, 20 PARCELS IN WILLIAM WALKER LANE WOULD COME OUT TO WILLOW SPRINGS DRIVE. WILLOW SPRINGS DRIVE WOULD END AT THE END OF THAT PAVED ROAD.

>> THE ANSWER TO MY QUESTION IS YES? I'M TALKING ABOUT UP THERE IN THAT LITTLE CORNER THAT BACKS UP TO ALL THOSE RESIDENTS UP THERE THAT WILL NO LONGER BE ABLE TO GO EAST.

>> YOU HAVE A MAP IF YOU CAN GET BACK TO IT. IT'S JUST THAT

CORNER. >> THAT MAP . YES. THAT MAP.

YEP. YOU ARE RIGHT. THE PEOPLE IN WILLIAM WALKER TO OUR WEST , OUR SUBDIVISION WOULD COME UP THIS NEWLY PAVED PIECE OF SHEDD ROAD AND LOOP BACK INTO WILLOW SPRINGS DRIVE AND NOT BE ABLE TO GO TO 17 BUT WHEN THEY COME OUT IN WILLOW SPRINGS AT 315 HALF A MILE TO THE NORTH WILL BE A SIGNAL INTERSECTION AND

THEY CAN GO TO THE LEFT -- >> I UNDERSTAND. I'M SAYING THEY WILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH TO GET TO 315.

>> ASSUMING THE COUNTY DOES ALLOW YOU TO CLOSE IT OFF WHAT

IS CLOSING IT OFF? >> MR. SMITH CAN TALK BECAUSE THE CLOSING OF SHEDD ROAD IS SOMETHING ONLY THE COUNTY COMMISSION CAN DO. THE ACTIONS WE ARE TAKING ALLOW THEM TO LEGALLY CONSIDER THAT. DO THEY PUT UP A SIGN, TAKE UP A ROAD? THAT WOULD FALL TO THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT AND COUNTY COMMISSION. THAT IS THEIR DECISION. IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THEY'VE TALKED TO THE COMMUNITY BEHIND GARBER AND THE COMMUNITY IS AMENABLE TO HAVING A CUL-DE-SAC BECAUSE THEY ALSO DON'T WANT TO THROUGH TRAFFIC. APPARENTLY THERE'S KIDS AND ALL THE TRASH TRUCKS.

>> OTHER QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME? WE HAVE BEEN SITTING FOR TWO HOURS, I THINK IT'S TIME FOR A COMFORT AND STRETCH BREAK. I WILL ADJOURN

>> DURING THE BREAK MR. FRASER REQUESTED AN OPPORTUNITY TO CLARIFY SOMETHING REGARDING ONE OF THE EXITS.

>> THANK YOU. ONE THING WE HEARD AT THE CAC FROM THE

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>> THANK YOU. I'VE BEEN NOTIFIED OUR FIRE CHIEF IS HERE AND ALSO OUR CHIEF ENGINEER RICHARD SMITH. WOULD YOU LIKE

TO SPEAK TO THIS? >> I THINK PROBABLY THE MOST IMPORTANT INC. AND I WILL CLARIFY, I'M GOING TO CONTRADICT SOME OF WHAT WAS RELATIVE TO THE COUNTY OR AT LEAST THE FIRE POSITION ON SHEDD ROAD. I HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THE PERMANENT CLOSING OF SHEDD ROAD. I DON'T THINK I HAVE TO BRING ANY BETTER EXAMPLE THAN WHAT THE RESIDENTS HAVE AN WORD THE LAST FEW WEEKS WITH THE CLOSURE OF THE RAILROAD CROSSING. WE ONLY HAVE A FEW EAST AND WEST RAILROAD CROSSINGS IN THIS AREA. THE REDUCTION AND ELIMINATION OF ONE IS SOMETHING I WOULD NOT BE IN FAVOR OF AND I EXPRESSED THAT TO COMMISSIONERS THAT ASKED IT AND THE STAFF IN GENERAL RELATIVE TO THIS SPECIFICALLY TO THE DEVELOPMENT IN QUESTION IF THE DEVELOPER CHOOSES TO PLACE THOSE ADDITIONAL ACCESS POINTS IN WE CERTAINLY HAVE NO OBJECTION, THAT IMPROVES OUR ACCESS IN GENERAL AND YOU ARE CORRECT THERE ARE GATES THAT ARE PLACED THAT GIVE US EXCLUSIVE ACCESS INTO AND THROUGH AREAS OF DEVELOPMENT BUT I WANT TO BE CLEAR ABOUT IS I HAVE NEVER EXPRESSED IN FAVOR AT ALL OF CLOSING SHEDD ROAD . ONE REASON I LISTEN TO MS. FRASER'S PRESENTATION , CATHEDRAL OAKS AS IT STANDS IS NOT GOING TO BE A FOUR-LANE ROAD CROSSING COMPLETELY FROM 218 TO 17.

REDUCES TO TWO LANES AND WILL GO IN SERVICE PREDOMINANTLY AS TWO LANES. I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC I CAN GET THROUGH AND GET FROM POINT A TO POINT B. REDUCING IN EAST-WEST CROSSING POINT REGARDLESS OF THE FACT I KNOW IT'S A PRESCRIPTIVE ROAD AND NEVER IN PARTICULARLY GOOD CONDITION STILL ALLOWS ACCESS AND ENTRY POINTS. THAT WAS MY POSITION

RELATIVE TO THIS. >> THANK YOU.

>> REGARDLESS OF ADDITIONAL ACCESS POINTS --

>> YOU CAN PUT ADDITIONAL POINTS THROUGH DEVELOPMENTS ALL YOU WANT TO. I'M NOT GOING TO BE IN FAVOR OF A PERMANENT CLOSURE OF ACCESS ONTO WHAT WAS THE EXISTING TRAIL.

>> WOULD YOU BE AMENABLE TO NOT CLOSED COMPLETELY SHEDD ROAD BUT TO GATING IT SO ONLY YOU CAN USE IT?

>> THAT WAS LOOKED AT AS YOU MAY RECALL

>> WAY BACK. >> I WAS NOT IN FAVOR AT THAT TIME BECAUSE IT IS ONE OF THOSE PREDOMINANT EAST-WEST ROADS. I GET THE POINT WHERE RESIDENCE ON BOTH SIDES PROBABLY DON'T WANT PEOPLE DRIVING THROUGH. YOU HEAR A LOT OF THOSE CONCERNS ALL THE TIME BUT THERE ARE VERY FEW ROADS THAT GO EAST TO WEST IN THIS GENERAL AREA WITH THE AMOUNT OF POPULATION WE HAVE AND THE REDUCTION. I HAVE EXPRESSED TO STAFF I THINK IN THE LONG TERM IT IS IMPORTANT FOR THE COUNTY TO RESERVE THAT AND WHILE THEY DON'T OWN ALL THE RIGHT-OF-WAY EXCEPT FOR PRESCRIPTIVE ISSUANCE RIGHT NOW TO MAINTAIN IT IF I WAS LOOKING TO THE FUTURE I CERTAINLY WOULDN'T RECOMMEND TO THE COUNTY THEY GIVE THAT UP.

>> I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY, I GOT THAT. THE SPECIFIC QUESTION IS HOW WOULD YOU FEEL ABOUT A GATE ON THAT ROAD?

>> IT COULD BE PERMISSIBLE BUT I WOULD NOT IN THE FIRE PROTECTION STANDPOINT TO LIMIT ACCESS. CORRECT.

>> OTHER QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS? THANK YOU. OR ENGINEER WANTED

TO SPEAK I BELIEVE? SORRY? >> I WOULD APPRECIATE HEARING

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FROM THE ENGINEER. >> CLAY COUNTY ENGINEER.

>> I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU. IT WAS MENTIONED BEFORE ABOUT THE CROSSOVER AND PIPES COMING UNDERNEATH AND ALLEVIATION OF THE FLOODING ISSUE. CAN YOU EXPLAIN THAT TO US?

>> THE CONSTRUCTION EVEN THOUGH I THINK I'VE HAD ONE HISTORIAN TELL ME IT WAS THE ORIGINAL CATHEDRAL OAK PARKWAY IN THE 20S OR 30S WAS CONSTRUCTED TO GO OVER TO COUNTY ROAD 218. I THINK WORLD WAR II STOPPED IT FROM WHAT I WAS TOLD. THE CROSSING UNDER THE DRAINAGE BASIN THAT FLOWS FROM SOUTH TO NORTH IS IMPEDED, DAMMED UP, CONTROLLED BY SHEDD ROAD AND THE PIPES UNDERNEATH. SINCE THE COUNTY DOESN'T OWN ANY PART OF SHEDD ROAD EXCEPT THE PART YOU DRIVE ON THE DIRT IS DISTURBED BY THE GREATER, WE DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT TO GO IN AND MAKE THAT ANY LARGER THAN IT PROBABLY NEEDS TO BE. IT'S 36 INCH PIKE RIGHT NOW. MY ESTIMATE IS IT NEEDS TO BE NEAR THE SIZE OF THE ONE WE PUT ON MOODY AVENUE LIKE SIX FOOT WIDE BY 10 FOOT WIDE. WE CAN'T DO THAT WITHOUT GETTING ONTO PRIVATE PROPERTY . WE DON'T OWN THAT PRIVATE PROPERTY. WE HAVE TO LIVE WITH WHAT WE HAVE. DRAINAGE WORKS PRETTY GOOD.

THEY DON'T LAST TOO LONG. WHEN WE GET UP TO ANY STORM I DON'T MEAN IRMA. IF YOU REFER TO IRMA THAT'S HOW BAD THAT WAS. IT WAS A 1500 YEAR EVENT. WE HOPE TO NEVER SEE IT IN OUR LIFETIMES. THAT IS NOT ANYTHING WE DESIGNED . WE WOULD ALL BE IN WAGONS AND HORSES. WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH CERTAIN CRITERIA.

I WOULD SAY THREE OR FOUR TIMES OR A LITTLE MORE OFTEN SOME YEARS WE DO GET RAIN HEAVY ENOUGH THAT CAN'T GO THROUGH THAT ARE IMPEDED BY SHEDD ROAD. IT'S FROM SOUTH TO NORTH WHICH GOES UNDER RIVERS ROAD , CROSSES BETWEEN CHEVROLET AND THE WENDY'S, CONTINUES TO THE RIVER. WHEN IT GETS HEAVIER AND CAN'T SUPPORT THE PIPE IT SLOWS IT DOWN IT TURNS AND GOES EAST TOWARD 17 CROSSING WALL ROAD OVER TO BROWN ROAD. WE CAN'T EVEN PUT DITCHES ON SHEDD ROAD. WE DON'T OWN THE LAND TO DIG A DITCH OUT FOR THE PEOPLE TO GET TO THEIR HOMES FOR THE WATER TO PASS ON IT. THE BEST WE'VE DONE IS GRADE SHEDD ROAD AND AWAY WE HOPE SOME WATER STAYS WHEN IT DOES OVER THE TOP LIKE THAT . IF YOU LIVE OUT THERE YOU KNOW IT BECOMES A ONE LANE ROAD IF YOU'RE LUCKY. THEN IT STARTS .

THAT WOULD IMPROVE. THAT IS REALLY WHAT WE ARE LOOKING FOR SHEDD ROAD DOES GET CLOSED THAT MANY DAM IS REMOVED AND GOES BACK TO THE HISTORIC DRAINAGE PATTERN.

>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MR. SMITH? THANK YOU. AT THIS TIME I THINK IT'S TIME FOR US TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. I WILL DO THAT. OPENING AT THIS TIME. I WONDERED , DO YOU WANT TO START? HE IS THE CHAIR OF THE CAC FOR THIS AREA.

>> HOW ARE YOU? YOU GUYS ALL KNOW ME HOPEFULLY. I'M THE CAC CHAIRMAN. WE VOTED 3-2 AS YOU WERE INFORMED. I HAVE THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS THAT DESCENDED ON THE VOTE HERE.

THEY ARE HERE. I WILL LET THEM COME UP AND THEY WILL TALK ABOUT THEIR TOPICS. AFTER THAT I WILL TALK ABOUT IT AND DO A QUICK FOLLOW-UP AND TALK ABOUT OTHER THINGS.

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>> HELLO, TROY ANDERSON. AS MENTIONED, I'M ONE OF THE MEMBERS OF THE CAC THAT ORIGINALLY VOTED FOR THIS AFTER FURTHER SPEAKING TO PEOPLE ON SHEDD ROAD THE PEOPLE OF THE COMMUNITY AND MYSELF DON'T FEEL IT IS A GOOD FIT FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THE PEOPLE ON BOTH COMMUNITIES HAVE BEEN MADE EMPTY PROMISES AND TOLD THERE WAS NOTHING THEY COULD DO ABOUT IT AFTER DEVELOPERS GOT WHAT THEY WANTED. THE DEVELOPMENT FEELS LIKE IT'S TRYING TO PUT A SQUARE PEG IN A ROUND HOLE.

ALSO ULTIMATELY AS THEY SAY STUFF ROLLS DOWNHILL THEY SAY AT THE BOTTOM IS WHERE MY HOUSE AND NEIGHBORHOOD IS. I'M THE FIRST HOME BACK FROM DOWN SHEDD ROAD. THEREFORE I WOULD LIKE TO WITHDRAW MY YES VOTE ON WHAT WAS ENTERED AND CHANGE IT TO

KNOW ON THIS MATTER. >> THANK YOU. WE HAVE SOMEONE ELSE THAT WANTED TO SPEAK?

>> MY NAME IS STACY, I LIVE AT 3411 BROWN ROAD . I'VE BEEN HERE MULTIPLE TIMES. I'M SURE MY FACE IS FAMILIAR. YOU'VE LISTENED TO MANY OF US WHO ARE RESIDENTS OF THE AREA AND YOU HAVE LISTENED TO ALL THE MULTIPLE ISSUES WE HAVE HAD ABOUT SOMEONE TRYING TO PUT A DEVELOPMENT IN THIS AREA.

INCLUDING DRAINAGE, FLOODING, SAFETY AND TRAFFIC ON SHEDD ROAD. ESPECIALLY IT BEING USED . I CAN TELL YOU THAT HAS ONLY BEEN EXACERBATED BY 315 BEING CLOSED AND NOW EVERYONE KNOWS THAT IS THE WAY TO GET AROUND ALL THAT TRAFFIC AND CUT THROUGH. THIS MORNING I TOOK A FOUR MINUTE VIDEO WAITING ON THE BUS AND 20 CARS FLEW BY BOTH WAYS CUTTING THROUGH AND THAT'S NOT THE BUSIEST TIME OF THE DAY. IT'S CRAZY. FOR ME AND MY CONSTITUENTS THAT LIVE ON MY AREA OF SHEDD ROAD I HAVE TO SAY ONE OF OUR MOST PRESSING ISSUES IS TRAFFIC. WHEN SHE PRESENTED HER PRESENTATION THAT I'M NOW A PART OF SHE PROMISED OR MADE CLAIMS THAT THIS IS THE ONLY WAY SHEDD ROAD WILL GET CLOSED IF THEY DO THIS. THE COUNTY CANNOT DO THIS, THEY CANNOT USE TAXPAYER DOLLARS TO CREATE THESE EMERGENCY ENTRANCES AND EXITS FOR FIRE. AGAINST MY BETTER JUDGMENT I VOTED TO APPROVE THIS BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND THE FIRE DEPARTMENT NOT WANTING THIS ROAD TO GET -- THE SAFETY ISSUE -- YES, I GET ONCE IN A YEAR YOU MAY NEED TO GET DOWN THAT ROAD TO GET TO SOMEBODY BUT EVERY DAY THE TRAFFIC FLYING DOWN THAT ROAD IS A HUGE SAFETY CONCERN. I VOTED IN FAVOR AND AFTER TALKING TO COMMISSIONER BURKE AND OTHERS I NEED TO RESEND BY VOTE. NOW THIS WOULD BE A 5-0 VOTE AGAINST THIS DEVELOPMENT.

I ALSO WANT TO ADDRESS I REALLY TAKE OFFENSE TO SOMEONE LOOKING AT THIS MAP OF THIS AREA AND SAYING 5000 HOMES AT SARATOGA SPRINGS AND MAGNOLIA WEST AND WILLOW SPRINGS THAT THIS IS NOT A RURAL AREA. IF YOU LIVE IN THIS AREA THIS IS A RURAL AREA.

IT'S ONE OF THE LAST RURAL AREAS SO WHY DO WE HAVE TO KEEP HITTING RID OF THESE THINGS? WE DO NOT HAVE TO GET RID OF EVERY SINGLE RURAL AREA JUST BECAUSE CATHEDRAL OAKS PARKWAY AND WE WILL HAVE A WALMART. THESE ARE THINGS THESE PEOPLE COME AND SPEAK TO YOU EVERY TIME THIS COMES TO YOU, THIS IS THE THING THEY DON'T WANT. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

>> THANK YOU. YES. >> I'M GIVING A QUICK FOLLOW-UP . A FEW THINGS. THE FLOOD STUDY STILL HASN'T BEEN RETURNED THAT WE HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR. ALSO TAKE THE WORK FROM THE PREVIOUS DEVELOPERS , THE ENGINEERS THAT THEY HAVEN'T HIRED INDY ENGINEERS . SOME OF THE THINGS THEY ARE PROPOSING TO DO WITH WILLOW SPRINGS COMMUNITY WITHOUT MEETING WITH THEM IS UNSATISFACTORY. MS. FRAZIER

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WHO IS GOING TO PAY FOR THE LAND THEY ARE GOING TO GIVE UP FOR THIS EMERGENCY THROUGHWAY? WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT I WAS TALKING TO A GENTLEMAN THAT HAD TO LEAVE BECAUSE HE WANTED TO VOTE. HE SAID ME AND MY OTHER PERSON AT THE COUNTY UTILITY IS OVER , IT ONLY GOES SO FAR. WHO IS GETTING PAID FOR THAT AREA THAT IS GOING TO CUT THROUGH THERE? I DON'T KNOW. LET'S FACE IT, THERE'S 12,000 HOMES COMING THROUGH SARATOGA , GOVERNORS VILLAGE . WHAT IS 58 HOMES GOING TO DO? THIS IS THE RURAL AREA WE LOVE? LET'S REALLY THINK ABOUT IT. THESE ARE SOME REASONS I VOTED NO. I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.

>> THANK YOU. WE HAVE QUITE A FEW OTHER CARDS. IS MR. GEORGE GOODRICH PRESENT? PLEASE COME FORWARD AND STATE YOUR NAME AND

ADDRESS FOR THE RECRD. >> GOOD EVENING. 3776 COUNTY ROAD 315 A GREEN COVE SPRINGS . I OPPOSE THE PRESENTED DEVELOPMENT LAND-USE CHANGES AND PUD. STACY MADE A LOT OF GREAT POINTS ABOUT THE RURAL NATURE OF OUR AREA . THE LOCAL COMMUNITY AND THE NEED OF THE COMMUNITY. THE OTHER GENTLEMAN FROM THE CAC MENTIONED PUTTING A SQUARE PEG IN A ROUND HOLE, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THIS IS. THAT'S HOW THESE COME TO BE.

THIS NEEDS A LOT OF HOMEWORK IF IT WERE TO PROCEED INTO ANYTHING ELSE . I ALMOST LAUGHED WHEN THE APPLICANT'S AGENT MENTIONED THESE ARE LARGER LOT SIZES. YOU LOOK AT THEM FROM THE AIR AND THEY LOOK LIKE EVERY OTHER PLATTED TIGHTKNIT SUBDIVISION THAT IS A CUL-DE-SAC ON THE END OF IT. WE TALKED AT ANOTHER MEETING ABOUT CONDUCTIVITY NEIGHBORHOODS.

THIS HAS NO ADDITIONAL CONDUCTIVITY. THESE ARE DETERMINED BY AN ANALYSIS. IT'S A FINANCIAL CALCULATION.

HOW MANY CAN WE STILL GET THE RATE OF RETURN WE WANT RUSTY MARK NOBODY HAS LOOKED AT WHAT'S AROUND GREEN COVE OR CLAY COUNTY. NOBODY LOOKED AT THE WILDLIFE PATTERNS. THE APPLICANT'S AGENT DID A GREAT SERVICE BY BRINGING UP THE TRAFFIC CONCERNS. SHE MADE A LOT OF ARGUMENTS FOR ME.

THERE'S TOO MANY AMAZON TRUCKS, GARBAGE TRUCKS. THE INFRASTRUCTURE IS WAY BEHIND. THE EXPRESSWAY IS 20 YEARS BEHIND, IT'LL BE AT CAPACITY. STATE ROUTE 16 IS AT CAPACITY IN THE MORNING. YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO GO FROM 17 TO THE EXPRESSWAY. YOU'LL BE IN GRIDLOCK. HE WILL BRING THAT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. ALL THE SURFACE STREETS WILL BE AT OR CAPACITY. UNTIL THE INFRASTRUCTURE IS THERE IT MAKES ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE. I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE ARE DOING CIRCUMVENTING EXISTING ZONING'S TO GO WITH A PUD WHY IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE FOR AN EQUITY FIRM TO COME IN AND MAKE THE BIGGEST BANG THEY CAN AS QUICKLY AS THEY CAN WITH NO CONSIDERATION FOR THE LOCAL COMMUNITY. THAT IS MY OPINION.

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THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.

>> I PUT THE WRONG NUMBER DOWN. THANK YOU. WILLIAMS PARK DRIVE, GREEN COVE SPRINGS. ALL THE ARGUMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE CAN BE SENT EITHER WAY IN THIS CASE. SPRING PARK ELEMENTARY OVER TWO YEARS AGO I THINK IS AT THREE QUARTERS TO CAPACITY.

WE TALKED ABOUT SOME DEVELOPMENTS ON THE WAY.

>> YEAH. >> IT'S GOING TO BRING THOUSANDS MORE HOMES ALREADY. DENSITY IS A PROBLEM.

INFRASTRUCTURE IS THE COMMON DENOMINATOR TONIGHT. WITHOUT THE INFRASTRUCTURE DENSITY IS A CHALLENGE. WHY DO WE NEED 58 HOMES? THE ZONE BUILDING MAKES A LOT OF SENSE AS IT IS PROPOSED. TRAFFIC WILL NATURALLY BE ALLEVIATED WHEN THE ROAD SHE MENTIONED IS CONNECTED TO THE FIRST COAST EXPRESSWAY SO THAT PROBLEM WILL SOLVE ITSELF IN A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME ALREADY. THE CONNECTOR HERE IS NOT GOING TO MAKE A HUGE CHANGE . YEAH. THAT'S ALL I WANTED TO SAY. I WANTED TO SPEAK ON THE LAST MOTION TONIGHT. IT'S WHAT WE NEED IN THIS AREA. NOT PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT. THANK YOU.

>> I HAVE A CARD FOR RYAN? >> HE'S A LOT TALLER THAN I AM. ALL RIGHT. I ORIGINALLY GREW UP IN UPSTATE NEW YORK. A SMALL DAIRY FARM. SORRY. 3102 LOT IN PLACE. IF YOU LOOK ON THE MAP IT'S WHERE THEY WANT TO DO THE CONNECTOR. I AM SERVING EIGHT YEARS IN THE COAST GUARD. I'VE ALWAYS KIND OF BEEN CHASING MY CHILDHOOD HOME . 100 ACRES. EVERYWHERE I GO I CAN'T FIND IT. LENOX CITY BEFORE THIS I HAD NOTHING. WE FINALLY FOUND QUARTER OF AN ACRE. GIVE OR TAKE. WILLOW SPRINGS. THE WHOLE REASON WE GOT IT ? THE FENCE WAS ALONG OUR PROPERTY JUST ACROSS THE YARD , COWS. I LOVED IT. I'M A SIMPLE MAN. I WAKE UP IN THE MORNING , I LIKE TO HAVE COFFEE OUT FRONT. BEFORE I GO TO BED A GLASS OF BOURBON. I SIT ON MY PORCH AND ENJOY IT. THAT BEING SAID ABOUT A YEAR AGO THEY PUT A WALKWAY TO THE SCHOOL . NOT A BIG DEAL. KIDS ARE NO BIG DEAL.

I HAVE ONE ON THE WAY. I HAVE TO LEARN TO LIKE IT. THAT BEING SAID I DIDN'T ORIGINALLY KNOW IT WAS GOING TO BE THERE. ALL RIGHT. A COUPLE KIDS DURING MY COFFEE . NOT A BIG DEAL. THAT BEING SAID I'M A LITTLE BIT EMOTIONAL BECAUSE THIS KIND OF CAUGHT ME OFF GUARD WHEN THEY SAID THEY WOULD PUT AN ENTRANCE TO THE PROPERTY AND THEY ARE NOT GOING TO MAINTAIN BECAUSE THEY WILL ONLY DO WILLOW SPRINGS. THEY AREN'T DOING THE SIDE ROAD. I WILL READ WHAT I PREPARED SO I DON'T GET TOO EMOTIONAL. THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK. I'M HERE TO EXPRESS CONCERNS ABOUT THE PROPOSED HOUSING DEVELOPMENT BEHIND WILLOW SPRINGS COMMUNITY. SPECIFICALLY THE PLAN TO TURN OUR ONLY SIDEWALK TO THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL INTO A SECOND ENTRANCE FOR THIS NEW DEVELOPMENT. THE SIDEWALK IS MORE THAN JUST A PATH, IT'S THE SAFEST WAY FOR OUR KIDS TO WALK TO SCHOOL CONNECTING THEM TO THEIR COMMUNITY AND CLASSMATES. REPLACING WITH AN ENTRANCE FOR A NEW DEVELOPMENT ISN'T INCONVENIENT , IT'S A SAFETY ISSUE. OUR NEIGHBORHOOD WAS PART OF THE REASON MANY CHOSE TO LIVE HERE, MYSELF INCLUDED. WHEN I BOUGHT MY HOME IT WAS AT THE END OF A CUL-DE-SAC ACROSS FROM AN OPEN DAIRY FARM FIELD. NOW THE AREA IS OVERCROWDED WITH 5200 KIDS, DROP OFF AND PICK UP TIMES.

ADDING THAT HERE WILL ONLY MAKE THINGS WORSE. WE HAVE NO ASSURANCE THIS DEVELOPMENT WILL MAINTAIN THE ENTRANCE OR TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR UPKEEP . WITH THAT COMMITMENT WE ARE LEFT WITH ANOTHER BURDEN THAT WASN'T THERE WHEN WE BOUGHT OUR HOME. I BELIEVE GREEN COVE DESERVES GROWTH AND RESPECT ITS CHARACTER AND RESIDENCE. MORE CONCRETE AND TRAFFIC ISN'T THE

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YOUR CONSIDERATION. >> I HAVE A CARD FOR JENNIFER

RUSSELL. OKAY. JANE HANSFORD? >> YES, I'M JANE HANSFORD, 3461 WILLIAM WALKER LANE . GOOD EVENING. OUR PROPERTY IS ADJACENT TO THE 1679 SHEDD ROAD. OUR WHOLE THREE ACRES ADJOINS THAT. WE HAVE LIVED THERE FOR 60+ YEARS. FOR THE MOST PART WE ARE A SMALL FAMILY COMMUNITY THAT WANTS TO KEEP THE REMAINING SURROUNDING AREA WETLAND , WILDLIFE AND NATURAL.

THE PROPOSED PUD WOULD DESTROY THE CHARACTER OF THAT. WE DON'T EVEN HAVE A SIGN AT WILLOW SPRINGS AND SHEDD ROAD SAYING WHAT ROAD IS WHICH. NO ONE I KNOW DOWN SHEDD ROAD , OUR COMMUNITY OR WILLOW SPRINGS WANTS THE CHANGES THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED. IT IS NOT IN AN IDEAL SPOT AS WETLANDS FLOW THROUGH THAT PROPERTY FROM OUR PROPERTIES. MAGNOLIA WEST AND WILLOW SPRINGS HAS RAISED THE LAND LEVELS ON THREE SIDES OF OUR PROPERTIES. THIS PUD WOULD RAISE THE LAND LEVEL ALSO AND LEAVE OUR PROPERTIES TO CAPTURE ALL THE WATER THAT RUNS FROM THESE DEVELOPMENTS . AS THEY RUN FROM WEST TO EAST THE DEVELOPMENTS WE HAVE ALREADY EXPERIENCED WATER ISSUES , THE COUNTY AND THE CITY WE HAVE TALKED WITH KNOWS FIRSTHAND OF THE PROBLEM THAT WE ARE HAVING WITH FLOODING FROM MAGNOLIA WEST RETENTION POND WATER AND WHAT IT HAS DONE TO OUR PROPERTIES. WILLOW SPRINGS CANNOT HANDLE 110+ VEHICLES EXTRA COMING THROUGH WITH CHILDREN PLAYING, SKATING AND RIDING BIKES IN THE ROAD. WITH CARS ALREADY PARKED IN THE ROAD 315 IS BEING OVERRUN AND THE FUTURE TRAFFIC. HOW MUCH CAN THIS ROAD HANDLE? I'M PRAYING YOU SINCERELY CONSIDER OUR CONCERNS AND VOTE NO FOR THIS PROPOSAL AS WE HAVE LIVED THERE AND I HAVE LIVED THERE . IT WAS NAMED AFTER MY GRANDFATHER. SAY NO. WE DO NOT WANT SHEDD ROAD CLOSED. WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN TO OUR SQUARE WITH ALL THE WATER? WE HAVE WATER BACKING UP RIGHT AT MY FENCE LINE. AT 1679. THE COUNTY HAS ALREADY SEEN IT. IT'S GOING TO FLOOD MY PROPERTY, IT'S GOING TO FLOOD MY COUSINS PROPERTY AND MY STEPBROTHERS PROPERTY. IT'LL BACKUP ALL THAT RETENTION POND WATER FROM MAGNOLIA WEST. WHAT DO WE DO THIS TO MARK I APPRECIATE THE TIME FOR YOUR

LISTENING. GOD BLESS. >> I HAVE A CARD FROM CURTIS?

>> 325 LOT IN PLACE. I'M ALSO THE PRESIDENT OF THE WILLOW SPRINGS HOMEOWNER ASSOCIATION. SO UNFORTUNATELY MY PHONE IS DYING . I WAS ATTENDING A MEETING . I'M RUNNING FOR THE CDD BOARD . I HAD THE PLEASURE OF OWNING A HOME AND MAGNOLIA WEST AND ALSO A HOME IN WILLOW SPRINGS. I WILL ADDRESS -- OKAY. IF IT IS OKAY A LOT OF THE HOMEOWNERS THAT MESSAGED ME ON OUR FACEBOOK PAGE AND ALSO EMAIL DID NOT INCLUDE THEIR

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I'VE ALSO FORWARDED THE EMAILS TO RYAN AND I WILL FORWARD THEM TO YOU SO YOU HAVE A COPY OF WHAT I'M READING.

THE FIRST MESSAGE IS FROM CARLY . 2121 WILLOW SPRINGS DRIVE. WE LIVE ON THE CORNER WILLOW SPRINGS AND RINGTAIL AND HAVE SEEN A DRASTIC INCREASE OF VEHICLES TRAVELING THROUGH TO ACCESS SHEDD ROAD. WE BELIEVE THIS IS USED AS A SHORTCUT BETWEEN 315 AND 17. WHEN THIS WAS INITIALLY SOLD TO US WE WERE ASSURED SHEDD ROAD WOULD BE BLOCKED OFF FROM THE END OF THE CUL-DE-SAC ON WILLOW SPRINGS. THIS DID NOT OCCUR.

THIS IS A YOUNG FAMILY COMMUNITY WITH MANY CHILDREN THAT LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THE INCREASE OF TRAFFIC COMES INCREASE OF A CHANCE OF A CHILD BEEN STRUCK. MANY VEHICLES THAT USE THE COMMUNITY AS A CUT THROUGH SPEED WITH LITTLE REGARD FOR RESIDENTS. WITH THE SCHOOL THIS WILL CONTINUE TO BE A COMMUNITY FILLED WITH YOUNG FAMILIES AND CHILDREN. THERE ARE MANY COMMUNITIES POPULATING AROUND THE AREA THAT WILL LEAD TO INCREASED TRAFFIC THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD UNLESS SHEDD ROAD IS CUT OFF. THAT IS MISS SCHEIBER'S WORDS. NEXT PERSON'S EMAIL. DANIEL WINSLOW. 2121 WILLOW SPRINGS DRIVE. THIS IS DANIEL WINSLOW. I SAW YOUR FACEBOOK POST ABOUT THE COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING. I AM NOT ABLE TO ATTEND HOWEVER I RISE IN OPPOSITION TO THE DEVELOPMENT.

WOULD YOU MIND RELAY MY COMMENTS? TO PROPOSE AN ALTERNATIVE IS PROBLEMATIC. ONE WOULD BE SITUATED NEXT TO -- IF I MAY? OKAY. I'LL MAKE IT AS QUICK AS I CAN. I'LL KEEP IT DOWN TO A MINUTE FOR MYSELF. THE PROPOSED ALTERNATIVE ACCESS LOCATIONS ARE PROBLEMATIC. WHEN WOULD BE SITUATED NEXT TO HIGH-TRAFFIC EXPANDING CATHEDRAL OAKS PARKWAY. THE OTHER WOULD TAKE AWAY THE SIDEWALK ACCESS FOR THE SCHOOL'S CHILDREN TRAVELING FROM SPRING PARK ELEMENTARY. IT LEAVES OUR NEIGHBORHOOD WITH ONE LESS PUBLIC ACCESS ROAD AND ADDED TRAFFIC FROM THIS NEWLY PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT. I DON'T LOVE DRIVING ON SHEDD ROAD BUT IT OFFERS IMPORTANT ACCESS TO U.S. 17 FROM WILLOW SPRINGS. THIS ISSUE HAS BEEN EXACERBATED BY THE RECENT TRAFFIC CHANGES DUE TO THE CONSTRUCTION ON RUSSELL ROAD. THE COUNTY SHOULD EVALUATE DEVELOPMENT OF SHEDD ROAD FROM U.S. 17 TO WILLOW SPRINGS DRIVE. NEXT IS DAVID MCLAREN. GREEN COVE SPRINGS DOESN'T NEED MORE HOUSING.

KEEPS SPREADING ACROSS AND WE NEED TO CONSIDER THE LONG-TERM CONSEQUENCES OF ENVIRONMENTAL DAMAGE , EXPANDING DEVELOPMENT DESTROYS LOCAL ECOSYSTEMS AND GREEN SPACES. THE MARSHES, WETLANDS AND HABITATS ARE AT RISK WHICH COULD LEAD TO MORE FLOODING AND LOSS OF WILDLIFE. ROADS, SCHOOLS AND HEALTHCARE FACILITIES ARE ALREADY STRETCHED THIN. MORE HOUSING MEANS MORE TRAFFIC AND PRESSURE ON PUBLIC SERVICES PRODUCING QUALITY OF LIFE FOR RESIDENCE. HIGHER COST IN CHANGING COMMUNITY , DEVELOPMENT CAN DRIVE UP PROPERTY VALUES MAKING IT HARDER FOR LONGTIME RESIDENTS TO STAY. THIS SHIFT RISKS TRANSFORMING TO A CLOSE KNIT COMMUNITY INTO AN OVERDEVELOPED AREA PRIORITIZING PROFIT OVER PEOPLE. RESOURCE CONCERNS. IT ADDS STRESS TO LOCAL WATER AND ENERGY RESOURCES RISKING SHORTAGES AND INCREASED WASTE AND POLLUTION.

EACH NEW DEVELOPMENT BRINGS MORE CARS, WORSENING TRAFFIC AND COMMUTE TIMES THAT LEADS TO DAILY FRUSTRATIONS LET'S ENCOURAGE SUSTAINABLE GROWTH AND RESOURCES INSTEAD OF

ENDLESS DEVELOPMENT. >> 2121 WILLOW SPRINGS DRIVE.

SHOULD SHEDD ROAD CLOSE HOW WOULD WE HAVE ACCESS AFTER THE

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IT. >> THANK YOU. THE NEXT CARD I HAVE IS FOR SAMUEL ARMSTRONG . ARE THEY PRESENT? I HAVE KATIE.

WOULD YOU PLEASE GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS WHEN YOU SPEAK?

>> 1699 SHEDD ROAD . EVERYONE KNOWS HOW WE FEEL. WE HAVE BEEN THROUGH THIS FOR YEARS. NO ONE WANTS TO DO THIS EVERY YEAR. IT IS VERY STRESSFUL AND LOTS OF SLEEPLESS NIGHTS I FEEL LIKE IT IS GOING TO COME OVER AND OVER. ADDING 100 CARS AND CLOSING SHEDD ROAD IS NOT GOING TO CHANGE THE DIFFICULTY ONTO 315.

THEY WILL NOT TAKE TIME TO UNLOCK THE GATE. THEY WILL GO TO THE FRONT ENTRANCE THAT IS THE LEAST PASSIVE RESISTANCE.

THEY WOULD NEVER BE USED. PEOPLE THAT HAVE HOMES NEXT TO THEM WOULD BE LOSING GREEN SPACE. PEOPLE THAT BOUGHT HOMES BOUGHT IT IN A CUL-DE-SAC FOR A REASON. SO THERE IS LESS TRAFFIC. THE GENTLEMAN WHO LIVES IN THAT CUL-DE-SAC SAID HE HAS AN AUTISTIC KID AND IS AGAINST IT. THERE IS A SHORTAGE IN FLORIDA WHICH IS TRUE BUT CLUB COUNTY HAS AROUND 8000 HOMES. THESE ARE NOT NEEDED IN THE AREA. IT WOULD DIVIDE THE CHARACTER AND LANDLOCKED US BETWEEN SUBDIVISIONS. IF THE COUNTY CHOOSES TO BLOCK SHEDD ROAD IT WILL DECREASE THE TRAFFIC BUT IT WILL NOT CHANGE THE NATURAL FLOW OF WATER.

SINCE WHEN DOES A COUNTY CLOSE A ROAD BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE SPEEDING IN HEAVY TRAFFIC? IF THAT WAS THE CASE EVERYONE ROAD

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>> I HAVE ONE MORE CARD THAT DOES NOT HAVE AN ITEM NUMBER SPECIFIED. JAMES BACH ? OKAY. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK ON THIS MATTER BEFORE WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING? I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND THE APPLICANT CAN RESPOND TO THE PUBLIC COMMENTS

>> I THINK THEY WILL ASK YOU TO CONTINUE US TO YOUR NEXT MEETING. THERE APPEARS TO BE QUITE A BIT OF CONFUSION OF WHAT THE SECOND ACCESS WOULD BE. I HEARD MANY SPEAK WITH CONCERN ABOUT CREATING AN ENTRANCE AND TURNING A CUL-DE-SAC INTO A ROAD. WE WOULD LIKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO CLARIFY WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE . THERE WOULD NOT BE CARS ON IT.

IT WOULD BE ONCE AND HUNDRED YEARS THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO DO THAT BUT THERE ISN'T ANY TRAFFIC THERE. WE WOULD LIKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS PEOPLE AND BRING SOME DRAWINGS AND SHALL ESPECIALLY IF WE CAN GO LOOK AT WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. MOSTLY THE CONCERNS I HEARD WERE PERHAPS ITEMS WE CAN CLARIFY AND BUILD BETTER CONSENSUS FOUR. WITH THAT , REALLY , WE TALK ABOUT LAND FOR THE FIRE ACCESS AND THERE IS NO ADDITIONAL LAND I THINK THOSE ARE DETAILS WE CAN CLARIFY.

PEOPLE CAN STILL SAY THEY DON'T LIKE THE PROPOSAL BUT MAYBE THEY WILL UNDERSTAND WHAT IT COULD POTENTIALLY DO FOR THEM. WITH THAT WE REQUEST YOU CONTINUE . WE WILL GO TO H ON

NOVEMBER 20TH. >> MS. FRASER , LET ME SAY THAT I THINK YOU'VE DONE A VERY IN-DEPTH JOB TO TRY TO ADDRESS A LOT OF CONCERNS . I STILL HAVE SOME REAL CONCERNS MYSELF.

MAINLY YOU HAVE LAID OUT A PLAN TO GO THROUGH ALL OF THIS . I DON'T SEE ANYTHING IN THAT PLAN THAT SAYS FOR EXAMPLE , THE CHIEF WILL POSE CLOSING SHEDD ROAD WHICH IN MY OPINION MEANS IT DOESN'T GET CLOSED. THE FACT THAT I WOULD SEE A LIST OF THINGS THAT HAVE TO BE DONE , THE EMERGENCY ACCESS, THE CLOSING OF SHEDD ROAD, HE LISTED ALL OF THEM. IF ALL OF THOSE DON'T HAPPEN THEN I WOULD NOT BE IN FAVOR FOR SURE.

THE PROBLEM IS YOU KNOW THIS AS WELL AS I DO THAT WE CANNOT DO CONDITIONAL ZONING. THAT LEAVES ME IN A VERY UNCOMFORTABLE POSITION WITHOUT HAVING COMMITMENT ON ALL OF THE THINGS THAT YOU'VE MENTIONED. I'M NOT GOING ASK YOU TO NECESSARILY ADDRESS THAT NOW. I JUST WANT TO PUT THAT TO YOU IF IT IS SOMETHING YOU CAN THINK ABOUT UNLESS YOU WANT TO ADDRESS THAT RIGHT NOW. I'M SAYING THAT IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT REALLY CONCERNS ME IS IF WE HAVE A CHECKLIST AND EVERYONE GETS CHECKED OFF IT LOOKS PRETTY GOOD BUT YOU ARE ASKING US TO APPROVE IT BEFORE WE DO THE CHECKLIST. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE CHECKLIST COMPLETED AND THEN DO THE

APPROVAL. >> I THINK THE OBLIGATIONS YOU'RE ASKING FOR ARE IN THE PUD WRITTEN STATEMENT AND THE DEVELOPMENT CONDITION ON I CAN'T GET CONSTRUCTION PLANS UNLESS I PERMIT AND BUILD THE SECONDARY ACCESS SO I CAN'T

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>> OKAY. KIND OF UNDERSTAND MY POSITION. WITHOUT THE CLOSING OF SHEDD ROAD. THERE ARE SOME IMPROVEMENTS IN THIS PLAN. AT THE ESSENCE THE BOTTOM LINE IS WHAT WE SAW LAST DECEMBER IT CONCERNS ME SOME OF THE RESIDENTS DON'T WANT TO SEE YOU SHEDD CLOSE EITHER. IT'LL BE VERY INTERESTING TO HEAR WHAT YOU GET AFTER THE COMMUNITY MEETING HONESTLY.

THAT IS REALLY MY COMMENT. >> WE BELIEVE WE HAVE HEARD THE PROBLEM WAS THROUGH TRAFFIC AND NOT NECESSARILY MORE PEOPLE LIKE THE RESIDENTS IN WILLOW SPRINGS BUT GOING BETWEEN 17 AND 15. THAT IS THE SHEDD THAT STOPS. THE COUNTY ENGINEER BELIEVES FLOODING WILL BE BETTER, WILL BE LESS , WILL BE IMPROVED WHEN SHEDD ROAD IS REMOVED. I CAN ONLY HEAR WHAT HE'S TELLING ME. I AGREE. THE OTHER THING I CAN'T DELIVER TO YOU IS THE CLOSING OF SHEDD ROAD.

>> MAY I CONTINUE? THERE ARE A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT CAME UP .

I'M GOING TO DIGRESS FOR A MINUTE BECAUSE YOU KNOW I'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR A WHILE. I WAS ACTUALLY HERE AND I THINK I VOTED AGAINST WILLOW SPRINGS UNTIL THEY SAID WE WILL PUT A GATE ON SHEDD ROAD. I ALWAYS THOUGHT IT WAS A BAD IDEA AND I ASKED WHEN THEY WERE DOING WILLOW SPRINGS WHY ARE WE CLOSING SHEDD ROAD AND NOT LEAVING IT ALL THE WAY. IF A 15? WE GOT INTO THE WHOLE DISCUSSION OF NOT EVERYBODY KNOWS IF THERE'S A RIGHT-OF-WAY OR WHO OWNS WHAT AND THIS PROPERTY OWNER CAN CLOSE IT.

TRANSITIONING ]

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>>> POINTS. >> WE HAVE HAD A REQUEST TO CONTINUE THIS TO THE DECEMBER MEETING. NEED TO

DEAL WITH THAT. >> I CAN'T REMEMBER HOW MANY MONTHS AGO. I DON'T THINK IT WAS WE HEARD THAT FOR TWO HOURS. THIS ONE WE'VE HEARD NOW -- I WANT TO FEEL COMFORTABLE IF DO THIS CONTINUANCE. WHEN THIS COMES BACK THERE'S TO BE SOMETHING A LOT DIFFERENT FOR THE RESIDENT -- IF THERE IS A P PANEL IT IS ME. THIS IS A PROBLEM PIECE OF PROPERTY. THE LAW LEWIS BRINGS IN PARTICULAR [INAUDIBLE] A CLI AND YES I GET THE IDEA IT IS WHATEVER NUMBER OF HOMES ACROSS THE ROAD. BUT THAT IS ACROSS THE ROAD. THIS IS A POCKET THAT IS TRAP IN HERE. UNTIL SOMEBODY COULD COME UP WITH A VIABLE WAY TO GET PEOPLE OUT OF THERE, WITHOUT DRIVING THEM THROUGH WHAT IS ALREADY A CROWDED

SUBDIVISION I'M WITH YOU. >> THAT IS HOW I FEEL.

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>> ARE WE READY TO GO FOR THE QUESTION?

>> I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT HAS ASKED FOR A CONTINUANCE. WE SHOULD PUT THAT MOTION ON THE FLOOR. WE CHOOSE TO VOTE THAT DOWN, THEN WE CAN GET TO THE QUESTION. I WILL MOVE FOR A

CONTINUANCE. >> IS THERE A SECOND?

>> I THINK IT FAILS FOR LACK OF A SECOND. NOW WE NEED TO DEAL WITH WE NEED A MOTION ON THE MERITS.

>> IN THAT CASE I WILL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE RECOMMEND DENIAL OF THE STAFF REPORT AND RECOMMEND DENIAL OF THIS

APPLICATION. >> IS THERE ANY FURTHER

DISCUSSION? >> I HAVE SOME THINGS. MY BASIC OPINION OF THIS DEVELOPMENT HAS NOT THAT -- SOME AREAS DICTATE T THAT ONLY CAN BE AS RURAL. WHETHER IT IS TRAFFIC WE HAVEN'T TALKED THE WATER. THE CHIEF ENGINEER SAYS HE CAN SOLVE THAT PROBLEM. MAYBE. I WOULD HATE TO PUT 58 HOMES IN THEIR ONE A MAY BE AND THEN WE'VE NOT ONLY CREATED A WATER PROBLEM PUT WE'VE CREATED ANOTHER NIAGARA FALLS. THE OTHER THINGS 40 ACRES IS SO RECENTLY. [INAUDIBLE] AND HAD DISCUSSION WITH MR. SMITH ABOUT IT. AND IT IS UNDETERMINED WHAT THEY PLAN ON DOING ABOUT IT. I DON'T THINK THEY CAN DO MUCH UNLESS THEY'VE GOT POCKETS THAT ARE VERY DEEP. SO, I CAN'T SUPPORT THIS. UNLESS IF THEY WANT TO DO THIS THEY'VE GOT TO SOLVE MY ALL OF THESE PROBLEMS FIRST. AND THEN COME BACK WITH A POSSIBLE DEVELOPMENT PLAN TO MAKE IT A HABITABLE AREA INSTEAD OF PLOPPING IT THERE AND SAY WE WILL DEAL WITH THE FALLOUT LATER. LATER NEVER COMES.

>> WE HAVE A LAND USE AND ZONING I GUESS THEY NEED TO BE

SEPARATE MOTIONS. >> MAY I REMAKE MY MOTION? I RECOMMEND THAT WE RECOMMEND DENIAL OF THE STAFF REPORT ON

THE LAND USE. >> WE NEED TO AMEND OUR SECOND.

IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION BEFORE WE CALLED IT QUESTION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE RECOMMENDATION OF DENIAL PLEASE SAY I. ANY OPPOSED THE SAME SIGN. THE MOTION CARRIES TO

DENY. WE NEED TO DEAL WITH -- >> SAY MOTION ON THE ZONING

ISSUE. >> DO WE HAVE A SECOND? ANY DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION FOR DENIAL OF THE ZONING APPLICATION. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES. THE ZONING APPLICATION IS DENIED AS WELL.

[4.  Public Hearing to consider ZON 24-0029. (District 5, Comm. Burke) (M. Brown)]

>> WE HAVE A COUPLE MORE MATTERS. WE HAVE OUR PUBLIC HEARING NUMBER FOUR IS IS HE ON 24 DASH 0029. THIS IS PRESENTED

BY ZONING CHIEF MIKE BROWN. >> MADAM CHAIR, MADAM CHAIR AND COMMISSION IS HE ON 24 DASH 0029 IS AN APPLICATION BY RIVER CAPITAL PROPERTIES. LLC. STANLEY HUNT. THIS IS A ZONING REQUEST CHANGE OF 0.58 ACRES FROM BA TO COMMISSIONER AND PROFESSIONAL OFFICE TO BE A NEIGHBORHOOD BUSINESS. PARCEL IS LOCATED ON FRASER ROAD AND U.S. 17. IT IS IN THE SPRINGS PLANNING DISTRICT AND COMMISSIONER DISTRICT 5. IT WILL BE HEARD BY THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS AT THEIR NOVEMBER 26 MEETING. THERE IS SOME HISTORY YOU HAVE ABOUT A YEAR AGO A DIFFERENT APPLICANT A DIFFERENT LANDOWNER PROPOSED A ROCK FORWARD A ZONING CHANGE. FROM BA TO TO BA. THEY WITHDREW THE APPLICATION AFTER THE BOARD AFTER THE PLANNING COMMISSION HEARD IT. BUT BEFORE THE BOARD ACT IT WENT TO THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS. JUST TO LET I'M SURE YOU REMEMBER THAT PICK I JUST WANT TO REMIND YOU. THE PARCEL IS DESIGNATED COMMERCIAL IN THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP. IT HAS APPROXIMATELY

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THE PROPERTY IMMEDIATELY NORTH IS LOCATED IN A BLACK CREEK VILLAGE DEVELOPMENT WHICH IS A PUD. THE PROPERT TO THE SOUTHWEST AND WEST ARE ZONED BA 2 AND EAST ACROSS U.S. 17 OUR COMMERCIAL ZONE PROPERTIES. THE PRESENT BE EIGHT 2 ZONING DISTRICT LIMITS BUILDING SIZE TO 2500 SQUARE FEET. PRIMARY REASON FOR THE REQUEST. OF THE ZONING CHANGE. AIRY YOU CAN SEE THE ZONING ON THE LEFT. ZONING MAP AND AN AERIAL ON THE RIGHT.

AS I INDICATED THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A ZONING CHANGE FROM BA 2 TO BA. 0.58 ACRES. THE BA 2 DISTRICT LIMITS COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT AND PROFESSIONAL OFFICES WITH A MAXIMUM GROSS AREA OF 2500 SQUARE FEET. THE REQUESTED BA ZONING WILL ALLOW FOR RETAIL AND SERVICE USES TO SATISFY THE BASIC SHOPPING NEEDS AND THAT ARE BEST SUITED FOR IN AREAS RELATIVE PROXIMITY PLACES OF RESIDENCE. THE BA ZONING IS ALLOWED IN THE COMMERCIAL FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION. STAFF'S UNDERSTANDING IS CAC REVIEW THIS RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF THE REZONING. STAFF HAS REVIEWED THE APPLICATION AND DETERMINED THE REQUEST IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING AREA AND STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF APPLICATION. ANY

QUESTIONS OF STAFF? >> QUESTIONS FOR MIKE?

>> JUST A QUICK QUESTION. CAN YOU CONFIRM WHEN YOU SAID YOU

BELIEVE THE CAC APPROVED -- >> THAT IS MY UNDERSTANDING. I HAVE NOT -- AND AGAIN I HEARD THAT TODAY.

>> DO YOU KNOW -- THE HOUSING JUST NORTH OF THIS PARCEL IS

THAT STILL ALL RENTAL? >> I BELIEVE IT IS. THAT IS MY

UNDERSTANDING. >> OTHER QUESTIONS? FOR MIKE AT

THIS TIME. >> IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY THE REASON WE DENIED IT LAST TIME WAS INSUFFICIENT SQUARE FOOTAGE AVAILABLE FOR PARKING OR WHATEVER THE CASE MIGHT BE.

>> THE USE AGAIN IT DEPENDS. THERE PARKING REQUIREMENTS ARE BASED ON THE ACTUAL USE. I WILL TELL YOU THE APPLICANT IS HERE AND HE CAN ADDRESS A LITTLE BETTER. SO I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK FOR HIM. WHAT HE HAS INDICATED TO STAFF IS HIS TO RELOCATE IS TO LOCATE HIS REAL ESTATE. I'M NOT SURE I WILL LET HIM SPEAK TO THE EXACT BUSINESS. PREVIOUS APPLICATION THE APPLICANT AT THAT TIME WAS LOOKING AT A U.P.S. CENTER TYPE DEVELOPMENT. I THINK THIS WHAT THIS PRESENT OWNER IS PROPOSING WILL BE LESS INTENSIVE AND WOULD PROBABLY REQUIRE LESS PARKING. BUT UNTIL WE SEE SPECIFIC PLANS I CANNOT SAY WHETHER IT WILL MEET THE SPECIFIC WHAT THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS ARE. ONE OF THE OTHER ISSUES THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAD PREVIOUSLY WAS RELATED TO THE BA WOULD ALLOW FOR TWO STORIES IF THAT IS DESIRED. WHICH IS THE EXACT SAME HEIGHT THE 35 FEET ALLOWED IN BA IS CONSISTENT WITH WHAT THE BLACK CREEK DEVELOPMENT PUD ALLOWS FOR RESIDENTIAL. IT ALLOWS 35 FEET. IT ALLOWS COMMERCIAL AND THAT BLACK CREEK DEVELOPMENT TO BE UP TO 60 FEET. BUT THAT WAS ONE OF THE ISSUES RAISED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION UNDER THE PREVIOUS

APPLICATION. >> ANY MORE QUESTIONS FOR MR. BROWN BEFORE WE GO TO THE APPLICANT?

>> WE WILL HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT AT THIS TIME.

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>> THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING. I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TO ALL OF YOU. MY NAME IS STAN HUNT THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY. AS MIKE SAID ON REQUESTING A REZONING TO ALLOW A TWO-STORY BUILDING. I DON'T HAVE A SPECIFIC PLAN RIGHT NOW BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE THE ZONING -- THE ZONING APPROVAL.

BUT THE BASIC PLAN IS TO ALLOW TWO-STORY BUILDING APPROXIMATELY 3600 SQUARE FEET. MY INITIAL THOUGHT IS A RESIDENTIAL STYLE BUILDING TO BLEND IN WITH WHAT IS AROUND.

AS MIKE MENTIONED THE PROPERTY IS ADJACENT TO A TWO-STORY HOUSES. RIGHT NEXT TO IT. THEY ARE RENTAL AND THEY ARE PACKED WITH CARS. THAT IS A DIFFERENT STORY. SO ANYWAY. LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE BUSINESS I'M GOING TO PUT THERE AS OPPOSED TO A U.P.S. STORE WE ARE A CPA FIRM. WE'VE BEEN IN BUSINESS FOR 18 YEARS. 90% OF OUR CLIENTS ARE HERE IN CLAY COUNTY. OUR CLIENTS ARE SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS AND MOST OF OUR CLIENTS ARE DOING WELL. WE FEEL WE ARE AN ASSET TO THE COMMUNITY. WE ARE A BIG PART OF OUR CLIENTS BUT WE ARE PARTNERS. WE PROVIDE BUSINESS IMPROVEMENTS ADVISORY PER SERVICES AND SAVE ON FEDERAL TAXES. WE HAVE SUPPORT FROM OWNERS OF [INAUDIBLE] TLC LAWNCARE WHICH ARE A HALF-MILE AWAY. FELLOW BUSINESS OWNERS.

THEY THINK IT IS A GOOD IDEA. AS PART OF THE GROWTH OF THE COUNTY BUT NOT CRAZY GROWTH OF THE COUNTY. THEY JUST THINK IT IS A GOOD FIT. NOW SPECIFICALLY THE REASONS WE ARE ASKING FOR REZONING. WE WANT TO PROVIDE SOME ROOM FOR OUR BUSINESS TO GROW TO SERVE A GROWING NUMBER OF CLAY COUNTY BUSINESS OWNERS.

AND JUST TO ADDRESS IT RIGHT OFF THE BAT I LIVE RIGHT OFF OF WALKEN'S ROAD. THIS IS THE TRAFFIC IS OUT OF CONTROL. IF THE NEIGHBORS CONCERN IS TRAFFIC I GET IT. BUT THAT IS JUST NOT US. WE WE ARE GOING TO HAVE PROBABLY SIX OR SEVEN CARS ARRIVE IN THE MORNING. TWO OR THREE WILL GO TO LUNCH. THEY WILL ALL LEAVE AT FIVE. WE WORK MONDAY THROUGH THURSDAY. HALF OF THE STAFF OR MORE WORKS REMOTELY. SO WE ARE JUST I DO NOT WANT TO BE PART OF THAT TRAFFIC PROBLEM HERE. THE 209 THING WE DON'T WANT TO LEAVE OUR HOUSE. I JUST I KNOW I'M BIASED BUT I CANNOT IMAGINE I UNDERSTAND THE NEIGHBORS PROBABLY DON'T WANT THAT LAND EVER DEVELOPED. IF I LIVED THERE I WOULD BE HERE PROTESTING AS WELL. BUT I THINK IT IS VERY GOOD COMMERCIAL LAND THAT WILL GET USED ONE DAY. I CAN'T IMAGINE A BETTER BUSINESS TO HAVE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD THAT IS A LOWER TRAFFIC BUSINESS. SO, LIKE I SAID WE WANT TO REZONE IT. INSTEAD OF RIGHT NOW 2500 SQUARE FOOT PARKING IS AN ISSUE. THE CIVIL ENGINEERS THE ARCHITECTS SAID YOU CAN BUILD IT FINE. THE DRC ENOUGH PARKING FIRE TRUCK ALL THAT IS GOOD. THEY'VE TOLD ME WE WILL HAVE TO BUILD IT RIGHT UP TO THE EDGE OF THE NEIGHBORS PROPERTY IS ALLOWED BY ZONING. THE WHOLE PLACE IS GOING TO JUST LOOK CONGESTED. WITH THAT BIG 2500 FOOT FOOTPRINT. INSTEAD I WANT TO DO THIS IS FOR US SO WE CAN GROW PICK IN 1800 SQUARE FOOT FOOTPRINT. WE ARE NOT ON TOP OF OUR NEIGHBOR. IT IS JUST NOT GOING TO LOOK SO PACKED AND PICK IT WILL COME RIGHT OVER THAT BRIDGE. WE WANT IT TO LOOK GOOD. WE WANT TO LOOK LIKE A NICE ADDITION TO THE COMMUNITY. IT WOULD BE BETTER FOR US. I JUST FEEL IT WOULD BE A BETTER LOOKING BUILDING WHEN WE ARE DONE. IT WILL BE NOT ON CLOSE RIGHT ON TOP OF THE NEIGHBOR.

THERE ARE TWO-STORY HOUSES RIGHT NEXT TO MY PROPERTY.

RIGHT TO THE NEIGHBOR. DON'T THINK WE ARE BRINGING IN SOMETHING WEIRD THAT IS NOT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD ALREADY. WE TALKED ABOUT THAT. ALSO IF YOU LOOK AT THE ZONING AROUND WE ARE NOT INTRODUCING CRAZY NEW ZONING. THERE IS A PIECE OF PROPERTY WITHIN A HALF-MILE THERE IS PROPERTIES BB THREE AND I'M NOT THE EXPERT ON ZONING. THE B3 YOU CAN PRETTY MUCH BUILD ON ANYTHING. THERE'S A LOT OF BB AROUND THERE. THERE IS A LOT OF BA ZONE PROPERTIES. I DON'T FEEL LIKE WE'RE COMING INTO A NEIGHBORHOOD RUNNING IT WITH CRAZY NEW ZONING THAT CAN ALLOW A WALMART TO COME IN OR SOMETHING. SO THOSE ARE MY REASONS FOR WANTING TO REZONING. I DO NOT THINK PARKING WILL BE AN ISSUE. THE LOW NUMBER OF CARS BUT WE MAY BE HAVE TWO CLIENTS VISIT A DAY. WE JUST DO ALL OF OUR STUFF REMOTELY. AND THOSE ARE

MY REASONS FOR ASKING FOR THIS. >> THANK YOU MR. HUNT.

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>> MR. HUNT THE PROPERTY THAT IS [INAUDIBLE].

>> THE PROPERTY THAT IS BEHIND THIS PARTICULAR PARCEL, THE BUILDING ON THERE IS THAT A RESIDENTIAL HOME?

>> YES. >> THE ONE TO THE WEST.

>> YES. >> IS THAT A TWO-STORY?

>> NO >> WHERE IS THE TWO STORIES?

>> YOU HAVE TO GO NORTH INTO THE RENTAL NEIGHBORHOOD IN IT IS NEXT TO MY PROPERTY. THE HOUSE NEXT TO MY PROPERTY IS TWO-STORY IN THE HOUSE NEXT TO MY NEIGHBOR IS ALSO TWO-STORY.

SEPARATED BY A WHITE PRIVACY FENCE.

>> ARE THERE OTHER QUESTIONS BEFORE WE GO TO PUBLIC HEARING?

>> I'M GOING TO THANK YOU MR. HUNT. I'M GOING TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. I DO HAVE SEVERAL CARDS. IS CHELSEA BAKER

SHAWL PRESENT? >> GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS CHELSEA BAKER SHAWL. I WAS SUPPOSED TO GO AFTER MY MOTHER.

MY MOM AND DAD ARE LIVE ON THE ROAD. I LIVE 78 37 HIGHWAY 17.

MY HUSBAND AND I ARE BUILDING ARE FOREVER HOME ON FRASER ROAD. I GREW UP ON FRASER ROAD WHERE LEARN TO RIDE MY BIKE DRIVE A GO KART FOR WHEELER IN A CAR ALL ON OUR MULTIGENERATIONAL FAMILY ROAD. AS AN EXAMPLE HOW DEEPLY THIS ROAD IS WOVEN INTO THE FABRIC OF OUR LIVES AND AS SILLY AS IT MAY SOUND A FEW MONTHS AGO AT THE AGE OF 35 MY DAD TAUGHT ME HOW TO DRIVE A MANUAL TRANSMISSION ON THIS EXACT ROAD MY HUSBAND AND I ARE NOW BUILDING ARE FOREVER HOME ON LAND GIVEN TO ME BY MY GRANDFATHER. SO MY THREE CHILDREN CAN GROW UP JUST AS I DID RIDING THEIR BIKES ALL UP AND DOWN THE ROAD AND ONE DATE MORNING TO DRIVE TO. TO SAY WE ARE OPPOSED TO THE PROPOSED ZONING CHANGES WOULD BE AN UNDERSTATEMENT. SUCH A CHANGE WOULD ALTER THE CHARACTER OF OUR PRIVATE ROAD AND AFFECT HOW WE ALL LIVE. AS WELL AS THE SAFETY AND WELL-BEING OF OUR FUTURE GENERATIONS. I ASKED YOU CAREFULLY CONSIDER THE LONG-TERM IMPACT OF THIS DECISION NOT ONLY ON MY FAMILY BUT ON THE CHILDREN WHO WILL GROW UP HERE IN THE MANY YEARS TO COME. THANK YOU FOR YOUR

TIME PICK >> THANK YOU. WE HAVE TRINA

RUBBLES BAKER. >> GOOD EVENING. THIS IS AN EXTREMELY EMOTIONAL THING FOR ME.

>> IF YOU WOULD SAY YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS PICK

>> MY NAME IS SERENA RUBBLES BAKER NOW LIVE AT 1530 FRASER ROAD. I WANT TO GIVE YOU A BIT OF MY HISTORY AND BACK STORY SO YOU HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF MY STRONG OPPOSITION TO THE REZONING OF THIS PARCEL OF LAND. BEFORE I TALK ABOUT MY OWN REASONS FOR OPPOSING THIS REZONING I WANT TO TALK ABOUT JESSE AND SUZANNE RYAN WHO LIVE AT 1496 FRASER ROAD. THEY HAVE MADE THE HOME THEY NOW LIVE IN WHAT THEY CALLED THE RYAN OASIS. THEY ARE THE ONES WHO WILL SUFFER THE MOST FROM THE REZONING OF THIS PROPERTY BECAUSE IT JOINS THEIR FRONT YARD. HAVING HIM BUSINESS AND I WROTE IS HEARTBREAKING FOR ALL OF US BUT ESPECIALLY FOR THEM. NOW THEY HAVE TWO GRANDCHILDREN TO SPEND TIME WITH THEIR REGULARLY AT THEIR HOME. WHAT IN THE WORLD IS GOING TO BE LIKE FOR THEM HAVING A BUSINES THERE ? THEY ARE GOING TO LOSE ALL OF THEIR PRIVACY FROM HIGHWAY 17 WHEN THE TREES COME DOWN. THEN TO HAVE TO STARE AT THE BACK OF A TWO-STORY BUILDING IN THE FRONT YARD IS UNTHINKABLE. THE PROPOSED PARCEL IN QUESTION IS SUCH A SMALL PIECE OF PROPERTY TO SMALL FOR A BUSINESS. SHOULD THE REZONING GO THROUGH IT WOULD BE IMPOSSIBLE TO HIDE THE EYESORE A TWO-STORY BUILDING WILL BE AND IT WILL RUIN THE QUALITY OF THEIR LIFE IN THEIR OASIS AS THEY KNOW IT. I CAN SYMPATHIZE WITH THE FACT MY SENTIMENT ABOUT OUR ROAD IS PROBABLY NOT A LOT OF IMPORTANCE TO YOU. BUT I HOPE YOU WILL TRY TO PUT YOURSELVES IN MY SHOES AND SEE THE IMPORTANCE OF MY HISTORY HERE AND HOW THIS POTENTIAL REZONING AFFECTS MY FAMILY. I AM FIFTH THE 58 YEARS OLD. I GREW UP ON -- I HAVE LIVED ON IT ALL BUT 14 MONTHS OF MY LIFE. FOR MORE THAN 40 YEARS MY DAD WAS A LOCAL CHRYSLER PREMISE PLYMOUTH DODGE DINNER DEALER. THE SENIOR CENTER IS NAMED AFTER MY PARENTS PICKED MY HUSBAND WITH THE USE RV DEALER IN TOWN FOR ALMOST 20 YEARS. AS YOU CAN SEE MY ROOTS ARE HERE. MY ENTIRE LIFE HAS BEEN HERE AND THE SAFE HAVEN OF MY HOME HAS BEEN ON FRASER ROAD. IN 2022 WE BUILT OUR FINAL HOME WE NOW LIVE IN.

PRIOR TO THIS WE LIVED FOR 20 YEARS IN THE HOME WE BUILT AT

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>> GO AHEAD AND FINISH PICK >> WHICH MEANS MIGRANT CHILDREN WHEN I GREW UP IN THE SAME ROAD I DID. I WENT AS MUCH IS POSSIBLE FOR THEM TO HAVE THE SAME SAFETY AND FREEDOMS I HAVE HAD THAT MY DAUGHTER HAD GROWING UP. I NEVER DREAMED WOULD HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE BUSINESS ON I WROTE MUCH LESS HAVING RANDOM CARS DAILY TURNING ON TO OUR ROAD AND PULLING BACK OFF OF IT. TRAFFIC IS A NIGHTMARE RIGHT NOW AND AT TIMES IT TAKES US 10 MINUTES TO GET ON OR OFF OF OUR ROAD AND WE HAVE TO PULL OUT IN FRONT OF TRAFFIC JUST TO GET ACROSS. TO THE MEDIAN. THE SAFETY THAT WE AS NEIGHBORS HAVE ALL FELT AMONGST OURSELVES IS BEING THREATENED IN THE QUALITY OF OUR LIVES WILL BE COMPLETELY TAKEN AWAY. I UNDERSTAND THE CURRENT PROPOSED BUSINESS IS DESIGNED TO BE A SEAGATE OFFICE BUT WHAT ABOUT IN FIVE YEARS OR EVEN TWO YEARS IF HE DECIDES TO SELL THE BUSINESS TO MAKE MONEY WHO CAN BLAME HIM? BUT AS LIFELONG RESIDENTS OF THIS ROAD WHERE WILL OUR WILL HAVE OUR BA WILL POINT WHO WILL CARE ABOUT MY GRANDCHILDREN? REZONING THIS PARCEL OPENS UP A CAN OF WORMS IN THE FUTURE CANNOT BE CONTROLLED. I WANT TO FEEL SAFE WHEN I TAKE A WALK. WE HAVE TO WALK RIGHT BY THE ENTRANCE THAT IS GOING TO BE ON FRASER ROAD OUR MAILBOXES ARE PAST THE DRIVEWAY THAT WILL BE THIS BUSINESS. WHEN WE RIDE OUR BIKES AND WHERE MY DAUGHTER LEARNED TO DRIVE THE STICK WE DRIVE AND WE TURN AROUND AND JESSE AND SUZANNE'S YARD AND WHAT HAS THIS DRIVEWAY TO OUR MAILBOXES. THERE IS THE BUSINESS ENTRANCE. I WANT TO FEEL SAFE WHEN I TAKE A WALK AND I WANT MY GRANDCHILDREN TO FEEL SAFE WALKING OR RIDING THEIR BIKES ON OUR ROAD. I WANT THEM AS MUCH AS HUMANLY POSSIBLE TO HAVE THE SAME EXPERIENCE THAT I HAD AS A CHILD AND MY DAUGHTER HAD. AND HAVING A TWO-STORY BUSINESS WITH ANY TYPE OF CAR TRAFFIC ON FRASER WROTE TAKES AWAY THE LITTLE SLICE OF HEAVEN THAT HAS ALWAYS EXISTED FOR US TO LIVE IN OUR FRASER ROAD. FOR 58 YEARS AND FIVE MONTHS THIS HAS BEEN MY ROAD PICK I HAVE BEEN FORTUNATE TO BE ABLE TO SHARE IT WITH WONDERFUL SWEET NEIGHBORS. I DON'T WANT TO LOSE THE SAFETY THE HAPPINESS AND THE QUALITY OF LIFE THAT WE ALL SHARE AS NEIGHBORS. WHICH IS NOW BEING THREATENED AND POSSIBLY TAKEN AWAY FROM US. I STRONGLY OPPOSE THIS REZONING AND I BEG YOU TO TURN THIS REZONING APPLICATION DOWN. TO SAY NO. THANK YOU FOR YOUR

TIME. >>> I HAVE ONE MORE CARD. JESSE

RYAN. >> AND JESSE RYAN 1496 FRASER ROAD. MY WIFE SUZANNE OVER THERE. FIRST THANK YOU FOR VOLUNTEERING YOUR TIME FOR US TO BE HERE. WE APPRECIATE IT.

THANKS FOR LISTENING. WHILE I'M SURE THIS WILL NOT BE AN EYESORE, AND MR. HUNT REMAINING IN CONTACT WITH ME PERSONALLY.

I DO HAVE SOME QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS. THE PROPERTY ITSELF IS VERY SMALL. LIKE KATRINA MENTIONED. IT IS VERY ODDLY SHAPED. WE ALL HOPED AND ASSUMED IT WOULD REMAIN WOODS AND A BARRIER TO U.S. 17 FROM OUR QUIET DEAD END ROAD. I KNOW HE WAS TALKING ABOUT FUTURE GROWTH. I UNDERSTAND THAT. BUT IT SEEMS LIKE SOME SUBSTANTIAL GROWTH FROM NOW HAVING JUST A HANDFUL OF EMPLOYEES. AND DOING A LARGE MOST OF YOUR BUSINESS ONLINE. IT SEEMS A STRETCH TO ME TENNEY 3600 SQUARE FEET. FOR SUCH A BUSINESS. IT BEGS THE QUESTION OF YES WHAT COULD HAPPEN WITH THE SAME BUILDING IN THE FUTURE? AND TRAFFIC. ON OUR ROAD. AND IN THE SURROUNDING AREA. I SAY THAT TO PREFACE THE FOLLOWING. SOME OF IT HAS BEEN MENTIONED BRIEFLY.

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ALL THE BEST. >>> I DO NOT HAVE ANY MORE CARDS ON FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING. IS THERE ANYONE HERE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK ON THIS MATTER WHO HAS NOT ALREADY

SPOKEN? >> PLEASE COME FORWARD AND

STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. >> I WAS NOT SWORN IN.

>> AND YOU WILL YOU TAKE CARE OF THAT?

>> THANK YOU. SUZANNE RYAN. 1496 FRASER. SORRY THIS IS VERY EMOTIONAL. I UNDERSTAND WHERE MR. HUNT IS COMING FROM. AND YES, THERE ARE TWO-STORY HOUSES NEXT TO OUR HOME. THE BUILDING OF THAT COMMUNITY TWO WEEKS AFTER OUR HOME WAS RENOVATED AND MOVED INTO. THOSE TREES STARTED COMING DOWN. WE DID NOT HAVE A CHOICE. WE DID NOT KNOW IT WAS PURCHASED. HAD WE HAVE KNOWN THAT WE WOULD NOT HAVE PURCHASED THIS PROPERTY. IT WAS A YEAR AND A HALF OF BUILDING. I WORK FROM HOME. MY HUSBAND IS A LITTLE BIT MORE LIGHT ON THE SUBJECT BECAUSE HE LEAVES EVERY MORNING AND HE GOES TO WORK. BUT I LIVED THERE AND I WORK THERE. AND THE POUNDING AND THE BUILDING WAS TERRIBLE. ALMOST UNBEARABLE. DAY IN AND DAY OUT WEEKENDS AT 7:00 A.M. IN THE MORNING IT STARTED. WE HAD NAILS FLYING INTO OUR YARD.

THIS PROPERTY THOUGH YES WE HAD TO FIGHT FOR A FENCE. THEY WERE NOT GOING TO PUT A FENCE UP. THE PROPERTY IS SO MUCH HIGHER THAN OURS. IT WAS FLOODING US BUT THEY ALMOST FLOODED OUR HOME. THIS PROPERTY I DON'T KNOW THE HEIGHT. I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT ZONING OR BUILDING. BUT IT WILL ESSENTIALLY BE IN OUR FRONT YARD A BIG GIANT FENCE AND A BIG GIANT TWO-STORY BUILDING. THE EASEMENT HE HAS OFFERED HE WANTS TO PURCHASE IT FOR US SO HE CAN EXPAND AND BUILD MORE.

HE HAS CONTACTED US TO BUY OUR HOME. IT DOES NOT STOP. WHERE DOES IT STOP? I LOVE MY HOME AND I'VE WORKED VERY HARD TO MAKE IT A BEAUTIFUL PLACE. I DON'T WANT A TWO-STORY BUILDING IF WE COULD HAVE AFFORDED WHEN THE PROPERTY AND WE TALKED ABOUT IT COULD NOT AFFORD TO PURCHASE IT. TO KEEP IT WOODS. I DON'T THINK THAT THE RESEARCH WAS DONE PRIOR TO PURCHASING IT TO KNOW WHAT TYPE OF BUILDING HE COULD PUT ON IT.

AND BECAUSE HE CAN'T FIT THE SMALLER ONE STORY BUILDING HE WANTS TO GO BIGGER. I DON'T DISAGREE THAT IT MIGHT BE A PRETTY BUILDING AND LOOK NICE. BUT THERE ARE A LOT OF PRETTY EMPTY BUILDINGS IN GREEN COVE SPRINGS. THAT LOOK NICE. AND THAT AREN'T OCCUPIED. WHY DO WE HAVE TO TAKE DOWN THE TREES

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THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.

>> THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE PRESENT WHO WISHES TO SPEAK DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING TIME? I HAVE NO FURTHER CARDS AND SEEING NO ONE I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. BRING THIS BACK FOR THE APPLICANT TO RESPOND TO THE PUBLIC COMMENTS

IF YOU WOULD LIKE. >> GUYS I'M SORRY. IF I WERE IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD I WOULD FEEL THE SAME WAY.

>> MR. HUNT YOU HAVE TO ADDRESS YOUR COMMENTS TO US.

>> I HEAR WHAT THEY ARE SAYING. LIKE US THAT WE LIVE ON PETERS CREEK ROAD 20 YEARS AGO THERE IS NO NEIGHBORS. IT WAS GREAT.

ALL OF A SUDDEN ALL THE LOTS SOLD AND WE HAVE NEIGHBORS.

THEY WANT TO BUILD THESE HOUSES I GET IT. JUST KIND OF ADDRESSING A COUPLE THINGS. I CAN'T REMEMBER THE NAME. LAST PERSON WHO SPOKE WE ARE A SMALL CPA FIRM. WE ARE NOT THE CPA FOR WALMART OR GE. WE ARE THE ACE HARDWARE. -- SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS. I WISH I COULD AFFORD $800,000 PIECE OF PROPERTY.

IT'S GOT AN ODD SHAPE IT WAS SOMETHING WE COULD AFFORD. I WISH I WAS THAT GUY WHO COULD HEAR THAT AND WALK AWAY AND WAS SOMEWHERE ELSE. WE FEEL LIKE I FEEL LIKE I HAVE A GOOD DEAL ON THAT LAND. I KNOW WE CAN BUILD THE DRC. WENT THROUGH THE CIVIL ENGINEERS TO ARCHITECTS. I DON'T WANT TO BE LIKE THOSE HORRIBLE THE PEOPLE I HEARD BEFORE SAYING WE JUST GOING TO BUILD ANYWAY. OUR FIRM IS GROWING. WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING. IF THIS FAILS WE ARE GOING TO BUILD A 2500 SQUARE FOOT FACILITY. I'M NOT TRYING TO BE A BULLY. THAT IS WHY YOU BOUGHT IT TO BUILD A FARM. I THINK IT WOULD LOOK -- I WOULD RATHER YOU ALL DON'T REALLY KNOW ME BUT MAYBE ASK AROUND.

WE WANT TO BE GOOD NEIGHBORS. WE ARE A GOOD GROUP OF PEOPLE.

WE WANT TO BE THEY GO OUT OF TOWN WE CAN CHECK THEIR MAILBOX OR SOMETHING. ALL I CAN DO IT IS SO YOU HAVE MY WORD WE ARE NOT GOING TO TURN THIS INTO A CIRCUS. I WILL PUT IT IN WRITING WE WON'T SELL IT. IT IS FOR A CPA FIRM. I'M WILLING TO LISTEN TO ALL THAT STUFF. AND I UNDERSTAND ALL THOSE CONCERNS. BUT I REALLY BELIEVE I WANT TO GROW I WANT A BETTER LOOKING BUILDING. ALSO THE OFFICE. WHY DO WE NEED 3600? PART OF THE CPA IT IS SO HARD TO HIGHER INNKEEPER CPAS. THESE NICE BIG FANCY OFFICES. AT LEAST WHEN WE HIRE MORE CPAS I WANT THEM ALL WHEN THEY'RE WORKING IN THE OFFICE TO HAVE A NICE OFFICE THEY CAN BE PROUD OF. AND NOT CRAMMED INTO A CLOSET. THAT IS THE REASON WE WANT MORE SQUARE FOOTAGE. WE WANT TO BUILD TO COMPETE. I KNOW MY CPA FIRM BUT I'D RATHER HAVE A PLACE IN CLAY COUNTY OR BUSINESS OWNERS CAN GO TO LOCALLY INSTEAD OF DRIVING TO JACKSONVILLE. THIS WILL BE A NICE ADDITION TO THE COMMUNITY. I SINCERELY BELIEVE WHERE WE ARE LOCATED NOW IS A DIFFERENT SPOT ABOUT TWO MILES AWAY. THIS IS A NON-ADDING OF TRAFFIC. I KNOW THEY ARE TRAFFIC CONCERNS.

I JUST BELIEVE IN MY HEART FIVE OR SIX CARS COMING IN THE MORNING MAY BE A COUPLE DURING THE DAY. THREE A FOR LEAVING

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I THINK IF SOMETHING IS GOING TO GO THERE THIS IS A REALLY REALLY GOOD OPTION. IT IS MY INTENTION I'VE ALREADY REACHED OUT TO THEM TWICE TO SAY HOW CAN WE MAKE THIS AT LEAST [INAUDIBLE]. I'M VERY WILLING TO WORK WITH THEM AND STILL SAY WHAT CAN WE DO? DO YOU WANT A PRIVACY FENCE? DO YOU WANT TREES? WHAT IS BEST FOR YOU? WHEN I FIRST MET JESSE WE TALKED ABOUT THIS BUT THIS UNFORTUNATE I THINK -- JESSE NYE PROBABLY WOULD BE FISHING BUDDIES. WE JUST GOT ALONG. I FEEL TERRIBLE ABOUT THIS WHOLE THING. WE ARE OUT OF ROME. WE HAVE TO GROW. I THINK I RESPONDED TO EVERYTHING. IF I DIDN'T I'M SORRY. I WOULD BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS

PICK >> ANYMORE QUESTIONS FOR MR.

HUNT? >> IN QUEUE MR. HUNT. SO THIS

COMES BACK TO THE COMMISSION. >> I THINK I DID.

>> I HAVE A COMMENT. I THINK THE THING THAT TWO QUESTIONS.

IS FRAZIER WROTE A PRIVATE ROAD OR PUBLIC WORLD?

>> I BELIEVE IT IS PRIVATE PICK

>> IS THE PARK PUBLIC THAT WOULD SERVE THIS PROPERTY?

>> YES OKAY. AND WHAT I'M LOOKING AT WHAT IS ALREADY COMMERCIAL. IS THAT THE 300 FOOT OFF OF 17? WE HUNDRED FEET? I PROBABLY MORE THAN ANYBODY SYMPATHIZE WITH THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THIS HOUSE. BUT THIS IS COMMERCIAL PROPERTY. AND IF MR. HUNT DOES NOT DO SOMETHING WITH IT THE NEXT OWNER CAN. SOMEBODY IS GOING TO COME AND PICK I WAS AFRAID THEY WANTED TO PUT A CONVENIENCE STORE IN HERE. BUT I THINK THE THE OFFICE BUILDING. IT ALSO BEGS THE QUESTION YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT IT. BUT TO OUR REMAINING STAFF, THIS IT HAS COME UP AGAIN. THIS 2500 SQUARE FOOT LIMIT THAT WE HAVE. ON BA 2 ZONING. AND THEN PEOPLE GO TO A DIFFERENT ZONING TO GET MORE SQUARE FOOTAGE. SO, THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS, THIS GENTLEMAN COULD BUILD HIS 2500 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING ON THIS PROPERTY TOMORROW. HE JUST HAS TO GET A BUILDING PERMIT. IT IS ALREADY ZONED FOR THAT. AND I THINK WHAT HE IS TRYING TO DO IS TO PUT A MORE ATTRACTIVE BUILDING ON THIS PROPERTY. SO I THINK THE ONLY REAL QUESTION THAT I'M LOOKING AT IS, THE ALLOWED USES IN B8 2 VERSUS ALLOWED

USES IN BA. >> MY CONCERN IS THE BA OPENS THE DOOR TO WHEN HE DECIDES TO SELL THE PROPERTY. OF WHAT IS GOING TO GO IN THERE NEXT. THAT IS ALWAYS A CONCERN FOR ME.

>> I THINK MY POINT THOUGH JOE IS WHAT I HEARD AND I REALLY DO SYMPATHIZE. LOSE OUR TREE BUFFER TO 17. IT IS GOING TO GO AWAY. REGARDLESS OF WHAT GETS BUILT THERE.

>> CAN GO OVER OIL RIGHT NOW WITH THIS CURRENT ZONING. YOU

ARE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. >> COMES OUT 25,000 SQUARE FEET. THE BUILDING AT BA 2 WOULD BE 2500 SQUARE FEET.

YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT 10% OF THE SITE. THERE IS ADEQUATE ROOM. I'D SYMPATHIZE BUT I TOTALLY GET IT.

>> WHO WOULDN'T WANT A NICE BUFFER? THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS THIS GENTLEMAN'S PROPERTY. IT IS CURRENTLY ZONED AS B8 2 BUT IF HE WANTED TO WE COULD PUT A 2500 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING. HE IS SAYING I WILL PUT WHICH IS A BIGGER FOOTPRINT. 2500 SQUARE FOOT SINGLE-STORY WILL BE A BIGGER FOOTPRINT. HE DOES NOT 1800 SQUARE FOOT FOOTPRINT. JUST MAKES IT TWO-STORY. IT IS LIMITED TO 35 FEET IF I'M READING THIS CORRECTLY IT HAS TO HAVE A BUFFER. HE'S REQUIRED TO PUT IN LANDSCAPING AND THAT SORT OF THING.

>> I DO HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE BUFFER WHEN YOU'RE DONE

PICK >> THE BUFFER IS --

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>> I'M LOOKING AT THE LAND USE MAP. IT LOOKS LIKE A PART A GOOD PART OF THE PARCEL WITH THE HOUSE ON IT ALSO IS IN COMMERCIAL LAND USE. AND WITH THAT BEING THE ISSUE, AS HE

REQUIRED TO PUT A BUFFER? >> BA TO BE A 2.

>> I DON'T THINK THERE WAS A REQUIRED BUFFER.

>> THERE IS NO REQUIRED BUFFER. THERE IS REQUIRED TREEPLANTING.

>> THE OFFER TO PUT IN SOME KIND OF BUFFER IS GOING BEYOND WHAT THE ZONING WOULD REQUIRE.

>> I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS I DON'T THINK THERE WAS LAND USE MAP IN THAT PACKAGE. I PULLED IT UP ON THE COUNTY WEBSITE. IF YOU LOOK AT THAT SUBDIVISION THOSE RENTAL HOMES, THAT LOOKS LIKE IT GOES BACK IN ABOUT FOR HUNDRED 50 FEET OFF THE RIGHT AWAY. THE COMMERCIAL LAND USE THOSE IN 300 FEET. SO THERE IS A PORTION OF THAT LOT THAT IS ALREADY IN COMMERCIAL.

>> 150 FEET DEEP ON THE LONG SIDE. THE VISUAL BARRIER PROPOSED NONRESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT SHALL BE BUFFERED FROM ADJACENT LAND WITHIN THE RESIDENTIAL LAND USE. THAT IS THE TECHNICALITY. IT IS STILL NOT LAND-USE BUT IT IS A RESIDENTIAL USE. THIS SOUNDS LIKE THE GENTLEMAN INTENDS TO COMPLY WITH THIS SORT OF STUFF. SIX FOOT HIGH OPAQUE BARRIER

AND A TREEPLANTING PICK >> THERE IS THE OPPORTUNITY IF YOU GO UP INSTEAD OF OUT TO ACTUALLY MAYBE LEAVE SOME OF THE NATURAL VEGETATION AND PLACED ON THAT SIDE DEPENDING ON WHAT THE SITE PLAN LOOKS LIKE. THAT WILL BE WHATEVER GOES THROUGH DRC. I DON'T SEE AN ISSUE WITH IT AS MUCH AS I DO SYMPATHIZE WITH YOU THAT LIVE ON THIS ROAD. THERE IS 300 FEET OF COMMERCIAL RIGHT AWAY ALL THE WAY DOWN 17. EVENTUALLY IT WILL GET BUILT OUT. I JUST DON'T KNOW WHEN. YOU'RE ONLY POSTPONING IT. TAKE THIS LITTLE PARCEL PROBABLY WOULD BE I DON'T ESPECIALLY WITH THE TWO-STORY HOUSES NEXT TO IT.

>> IF I MAY. I'M WITH COMMISSIONER -- BA -- YOU GOT A LIST OF STUFF. BA 2. AND OPENS UP A WHOLE LAUNDRY LIST OF STUFF THAT COULD GO IN THERE. IF HE DECIDES I'M NOT GOING TO BUILD MY CPA FIRM I'M GOING TO GO SOMEPLACE ELSE. THAT SCARES ME. MAKING A DEAL HERE. WE WILL DO THIS IF YOU WOULD DO THAT.

WE HAVE TO GO WITH WHAT IS ON THE PAPER. WHAT IS ON THE PAPER

UNDER BA 2 IS UNACCEPTABLE. >> BA 2

>> EXCUSE ME BA. YOU ARE RIGHT. MY POINT STILL REMAINS.

>> I WOULD AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER DAVIS. KEEP IT AS

IT IS. >> SO, WE NEED A MOTION.

>> MAKE A MOTION TO DENY. >> SECOND

>> IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?

>> READY TO CALL TO QUESTION? SO ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE RECOMMENDATION TO DENY PLEASE SAY I ANY OPPOSED? WE HAVE 2.

IT IS DENIED. >> OUR FINAL ITEM ON THE AGENDA

[5.  Public Hearing to consider COMP 24-0021 and ZON 24-0027. (District 5, Comm. Burke) (J. Bryla)]

THEN THE ZONING PORTION. >> GOOD EVENING AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR DILIGENCE AND YOUR TENACITY HITTING THROUGH TONIGHT'S HEARINGS. I JUST REALLY APPRECIATE IT. AS YOU SHARED ON PRESENTING COMP PLAN 20 FORD DASH 00 21. ANNA ZONING APPLICATION 24 DASH 00 27. LET ME PULL UP MY -- WHILE SHE IS

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>> THAT IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT. THAT ITEM WAS PULLED. THEY WILL ALL COME BACK TOGETHER. THAT IS THE INTENT ANYWAY. SO THIS IS A REQUEST TO CHANGE THE LAND USE AND ZONING OF APPROXIMATELY 37 ACRES TO MATCH THE LANDS ADJACENT TO THE PROPERTY TO THE EAST FROM AGRICULTURE OR HD TO RURAL RESIDENTIAL PART FROM AGRICULTURE TO AGRICULTURAL RESIDENTIAL. THIS IS IN DISTRICT 1 WITH COMMISSIONER -- THE PARCELS THAT IS INCORRECT. THIS IS THE WRONG. THAT IS QUITE INTERESTING. THIS IS THE ONE YOU POSTPONED. HOPEFULLY IT WILL BE HOPEFULLY THIS WILL BE IT. I HAVE THEM PRINTED OUT. SO WHERE IS THE OTHER ONE? SO HERE WE ARE. THIS IS A REQUEST AS I SAID BEFORE APPROXIMATELY 37 ACRES. TO MATCH THE LANDS ADJACENT TO THE PROPERTY TO THE EAST FROM AGRICULTURE TO RURAL RESIDENTIAL AND FROM AGRICULTURAL TO AGRICULTURAL RESIDENTIAL. THIS IS THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF DECOY ROAD.

AND COUNTY ROAD 209 SOUTH. MS. BENSON WHO IS HERE TONIGHT AND HAS SAT THROUGH ALL OF OUR APPLICATIONS IS HERE TO SPEAK

TO THIS REQUEST. >> THE PARCEL MAP TO SHOW THE LOCATION OF THE SITE AND THE SMALL LOT DEVELOPMENT TO THE NORTH OF THE PROPERTY. THIS IS THE REQUEST TO THE APPLICANT WISHES TO MIMIC THE LANDS TO THE EAST OF THE PROPERTY AND CHANGE TO RURAL LAND USE OR CHANGE THE FUTURE LAND USE TO RURAL RESIDENTIAL. THESE ARE THE PROPOSED ZONING CHANGES REQUESTED FROM THE PROPERTY REQUESTED FOR THE PROPERTY FROM AGRICULTURE TO AGRICULTURAL RESIDENTIAL. AGAIN CONSISTENT WITH THE LANDS TO THE EAST. SO IF THIS CHANGE WERE GRANTED THAT WILL REMOVE THESE SPECIFIC ITEMS FROM THE PERMITTED USES.

GENERAL FARMING ACTIVITIES. STORAGE ON THE PREMISES. IN

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I BELIEVE THE PLAN IS THAT THE APPLICANT WOULD LIKE TO SPLIT A 10 ACRE PIECE OFF OF BUT RETAIN THE REMAINDER OF THE PARCEL.

SHE CAN SPEAK TO THAT AFTER MY PRESENTATION. FINDING THE REQUESTS ARE IN KEEPING WITH THE COUNTY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THE INTENT OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE STAFF DOES OR RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF BOTH APPLICATIONS.

>> ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF BEFORE WE HEAR FROM THE

APPLICANT? MS. BENSON. >> THANK YOU. BASICALLY -- I NEED TO SAY YOUR FULL NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS.

>> LAURA BENSON. 209 SOUTH. I'M ACTUALLY WANTING TO DO THIS TO TRY AND AVOID THE STORIES I'VE HEARD. BASICALLY I LOVE GREEN COLDS. I LOVE NATURE. I'M ALL ABOUT GOALS AND DREAMS. THAT ACTUALLY WAS A DREAM OF MINE. I PURCHASED IT ABOUT 20 YEARS AGO. I'VE GOT ANOTHER DREAM I WOULD LIKE TO DO AND I THOUGHT IF I SELL 10 ACRES AND THAT IS HONESTLY THE ONLY REASON WHY I EVEN WANT TO SELL IT. I PROTECTED THAT LAND FOREVER. AND I STILL WANT TO PROTECT IT. THAT IS WHY I'M DOING IT. I'VE HAD FOR SALE SIGNS UP. SINCE I'VE HAD THEM UP I'VE HAD ALL KINDS OF PHONE CALLS AND I'VE LEARNED ALL KINDS OF INFORMATION ABOUT PEOPLE THAT HAVE BOUGHT STUFF DOWN 209 AND HOW DEVELOPERS WOULD LOVE A DQ DECOY ROAD ACCESS FOR THAT.

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TO LOVED THAT. >> I APOLOGIZE. I INTENDED TO WRITE THIS NUMBER. THIS IS WHAT WE

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>> THANK YOU. I DO NOT HAVE ANY FURTHER CARDS ON THIS. IS THERE ANY OTHER MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK BEFORE I CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS MATTER? OKAY. I'M GOING TO CLOSE IT AND BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMISSION FOR A MOTION.

>> MADAM CHAIR, I DON'T SEE AN ISSUE WITH THIS ONE.

>> WAIT. >> I MOVE THE STAFF REPORT ON

THE LAND USE, FIRST. >> SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF APPROVING THE REPORT ON LAND USE, SAY AYE.

THE MOTION CARRIES . >> ON THE ZONING, THE SAME

MOTION. >> MOTION AT A SECOND. AND THE ZONING RECOGNITION. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE. SAME SENT. THE MOTION CARRIES. THAT CONCLUDES THE MATTER. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE FOR A VERY LONG MEETING.

>> WE HAVE THE NEXT ITEM. >> YOU HAVEN'T FIGURED OUT HOW TO SPLIT THIS YET, RIGHT? I WOULD JUST SAY, YOU CAN SEE A LOT OF THEM HERE. MAYBE YOU CAN FIND A BETTER WAY TO DO IT THAT

SOME OF YOUR NEIGHBORS DID. >> YEAH.

>> YEAH. OKAY. >> WELL, GOOD LUCK. THE NEXT ITEM IS PRESENTATIONS. WE DON'T HAVE ANY NOTED. WE EVENTUALLY WANT TO HEAR FROM THE FOLKS THAT WENT TO THE TRAINING. HOW MANY FOLKS WENT TO THE TRAINING? THREE? MAYBE IF OUR SCHEDULE ISN'T TOO BUSY NEXT TIME, Y'ALL CAN GIVE US A REPORT OUT FROM THAT. BECAUSE WE JUST MOVED EVERYTHING TO DECEMBER. MAYBE SOMETIME IN OUR LIFETIMES. WOULD YOU? CAN YOU DO THAT ELECTRONICALLY? I WOULD LOVE THAT. MAYBE I CAN ASK SOME

QUESTIONS. >> I THINK THERE IS A DISCUSSION ABOUT EX PARTE COMMUNICATION THAT WE OWE IT TO EACH OTHER TO HAVE HERE. IT WAS ALSO BROUGHT UP ABOUT LEGAL REPRESENTATION IN THE PLANNING COMMISSION AS A BODY AND AS INDIVIDUAL MEMBERS. AT SOME POINT, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE

THAT CONVERSATION. >> THANK YOU. WOW. I LOOK

[Old Business/New Business]

NEW BUSINESS? >> I HAVE ONE QUICK ITEM. YOU KNOW, YOU GUYS ASKED ME TO SIT ON IT, THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING COMMITTEE, SO I DID. ANYWAY, AS A RESULT OF THAT DISCUSSION, YOU KNOW, THERE IS THE REPORT THAT THEY PUT OUT. BASED ON OUR DISCUSSIONS, WE REMOVED THE THING ABOUT THAT RESIDENTIAL. I STARTED TALKING ABOUT THE TINY HOUSE THING AND ALL. THAT BOUGHT ME AN INVITATION TO GO NEXT TUESDAY TO THE VCC TO EXPLAIN ALL OF THAT. I WILL BE GOING AS A REPRESENTATIVE OF

AFFORDABLE HOUSING. >> THANK YOU. INC. YOU, RALPH.

>> I JUST HAVE A COMMENT. THIS IS VERY SPECIFIC, I GUESS. I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF YOU ARE EXPERIENCING WHAT I AM.

>> I TRAVELED BACK AND FORTH TO JACKSONVILLE VERY OFTEN. I'M UP AND DOWN 17. I'M UP AND DOWN LANDING. I TRAVELED THESE

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>> OKAY. TWO THINGS REALLY QUICK. THE GUY GOT AWAY ALREADY, BUT TODAY WAS MR. BROWN'S LAST MEETING. WE TWIST HIS ARM INTO COMING BACK NEXT MONTH?

>> OKAY. SO WE WILL. HE INDICATED THAT HERE.

>> HE RAN OUT QUICKLY TONIGHT. AND I THINK MIKE'S LAST DATE IS THE 12TH. WHO IS HIS REPLACEMENT? OKAY.

>> ALSO, IF YOUR TERM IS UP AND YOU HAVE NOT REAPPLIED, YOU NEED TO DO SO. I AM ONE OF THEM.

>> I AM, TOO. >> SHE SAID THAT ON THE SAME EMAIL. DIDN'T YOU SEND THOSE NAMES ON OUR EMAIL, THAT OUR

TERMS WERE UP. >> I DID.

>> I DID. THAT IS JUST A REMINDER. WE NEED TO HAVE OUR FINAL PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD. I'M GOING TO OPEN IT. I DON'T EVEN THINK THERE IS A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC HERE. I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT, AND OUR NEXT PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING IS SCHEDULED TUESDAY, DECEMBER 3RD. AND I WOULD LIKE TO WISH EVERYONE A

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