Oct 01, 2024 Planning Commission

[Call to Order]

[1.  Approval of Minutes]

[1.  Public Hearing to consider ZON 24-0017, LDC Text Change for Rock Crushing; Rock or Sand Storage Yards; and Stone Cutting. (M. Brown)]

[2.  Public Hearing to Consider COMP 24-0016 and ZON 24-0019. (District 5, Comm. Burke) (J.Bryla)]

[3.  Public Hearing to consider COMP 24-0018 and ZON 24-0024. (District 5, Comm. Burke) (J.Bryla)]

[4.  Public Hearing to consider COMP 24-0017 and ZON 24-0023. (District 5, Comm. Burke) (J.Bryla)]

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>>> WE WANT TO GET THE CITIZENS IN. TODAY IS THE FIRST

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>> YES. MADAM CHAIR, IF I MAY, TWO

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COURTNEY, DO YOU WANT TO MAKE ANY COMMENT ON THAT? THAT LIVE LOCAL IS THE INDUSTRIAL ZONE LAND, CORRECT?

>> RIGHT AND THE WAY THE OTHER COUNTIES AND I THINK JENNY WAS LOOKING INTO THIS, THE WAY OTHER COUNTIES HAVE BEEN HANDLING THIS IS THE APPLICANT CAN ENTER INTO VOLUNTEERING THE RESTRICTIONS THAT AGREE TO LIMIT THAT, CAN, IF THEY ARE TRULY WANTING TO CHANGE FOR A TRUE COMMERCIAL INDUSTRIAL, THAT THEY FOREGO THE RESIDENTIAL OPPORTUNITIES.

>> THEY ARE ALLOWED TO DO THAT UNDER STATE LAW? OTHER COUNTIES ARE MOVING IN THAT DIRECTION.

>> PASCO COUNTY AND ST. JOHN HAVE DONE IT SO FAR.

>> NOBODY HAS CHALLENGED IT? THAT YOU ARE AWARE

OF? NO, SIR. >> OKAY. THAT'S ANOTHER PIECE OF INFORMATION. VERY HELPFUL, THANK YOU.

>> I HAVE ONE QUICK QUESTION. >> YES, COMMISSIONER MARTIN?

>> WHEN WE BRING THIS BACK, CAN YOU ALSO TELL US IF THERE ARE ANY PLANNED IMPROVEMENTS LIKE ROADS TO 209 OR IT 206? I THINK THAT IS AN IMPORTANT PART OF THE FUTURE.

>> AND I THINK THE AGENT SAID THEY WOULD BE ON CENTRAL SEWER AND WATER. YES, I WILL CHECK ON THE ROADS.

>> ONE OF THE THINGS, THIS GOES BACK TO THE SITE PLAN. THEY HAVE TO PROVIDE INFORMATION HANDLE IT. THEN IF IT DOESN'T THEY HAVE TO HELP PAY TO UPGRADE THE ROADS

AND INTERSECTIONS. >> AND THE ONUS IS ON THE COUNTY TO PICK UP THE OTHER HALF. PICK UP IS ONE THING, PAY FOR IT ALL IS ANOTHER.

>> IF YOU ARE READY, MADAM CHAIR, I WILL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE CONTINUE THE SIX ITEMS TO OUR NEXT MEETING IN NOVEMBER.

>> AND I JUST WANT TO BE SURE, CAN WE DO IT WITH ONE MOTION OR DO WE NEED SIX MOTIONS? WE PROBABLY NEED SIX.

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>> CONTINUING ALL SIX. OKAY, WE WILL DO ALL SIX.

>> THEN I WILL MOVE THAT WE CONTINUE THIS TO OUR NOVEMBER MEETING OR SOON THEREAFTER AS WE

CAN HEAR IT. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND TO CONTINUE ITEMS 2, 3, AND 4 ON THE AGENDA ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA UNTIL THE NOVEMBER MEETING OR SOON THEREAFTER. IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?

>> YES, MA'AM. I JUST WANT TO SAY, I MEAN WE CAN CONTINUE IT. I THINK IT IS A BIT OF A WASTE OF TIME. IT DOESN'T DEFEAT THE RESIDENTIAL PROXIMITY OR THE WEDLANDS. TO GO FROM HEAVY INDUSTRIAL FROM AG RESIDENTIAL, IN THIS LOCATION, WE CAN WAIT FOR FIVE MONTHS AND I'M NOT GOING TO AGREE WITH THAT. BUT WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH THE VOTE AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS NEXT.

>> ANY FURTHER COMMENT? >> I WILL JUST MAKE A QUICK COMMENT. I'M IN 100% AGREEMENT WITH MIKE. I SUPPORT ANY KIND OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT THAT WOULD PROVIDE JOBS BUT THE IDEA OF KEEPING IT NORTH OF 226 AND OVER BY 17, IT'S TOO FAR INLAND. I CAN'T IMAGINE BEING ABLE TO SUPPORT THIS AND PARTICULARLY WITH NO DEFINED PROJECT.

>> I CONCUR. >> MADAM CHAIR, IF WE SIMPLY DEFEAT THE CONTINUATION MOTION, WE WILL HAVE TO TAKE A VOTE ON IT. YOU WANT TO CALL THE QUESTION ON THE CONTINUED -- OKAY. SO THE QUESTION ON THE FLOOR IS WHETHER OR NOT TO CONTINUE THESE SIX APPLICATIONS TO THE NOVEMBER MEETING OR SOON THEREFORE AS IT CAN BE HEARD. SO THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE CONTINUATION PLEASIFY BY SAY ING AYE? WE HAVE ONE. AND NAY? SO THE CONTINUATION MOTION FAILS. SO COMMISSIONER PUCKHABER?

>> I WILL MOVE THAT WE RECOMMEND NOT APPROVING THE STAFF REPORT ON THE FIRST ITEM. WE ARE GOING TO DO THESE ONE AT A TIME.

>> YES. THE FIRST ITEM WHICH IS 24-0016. I RECOMMEND THAT WE DO NOT APPROVE THE STAFF REPORT, THAT

WE RECOMMEND DENIAL. >> AND ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS? ALL THOSE IN -- WELL, IN FAVOR OF COMMISSIONER PUCKHABER'S MOTION WHICH IS TO NOT APPROVE THE STAFF REPORT PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE? ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES. NOW GO TO

ZONING. >> CAN I GO THROUGH ALL OF THE

LAND USES FIRST? >> SURE. SAME MOTION FOR THE NEXT LAND USE ITEM. WHICH IS COMP-24 -0018. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION

CARRIES. >> THE SAME MOTION WE RECOMMEND DENIAL TO DENY THE APPROVAL.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION AS STATED SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE? MOTION CARRIES. NOW WE GO TO THE ZONING ITEMS. AND WE BEGIN WITH 24-0018. MOTION TO RECOMMEND DENIAL OF THE STAFF REPORT RECOMMEND DENIAL OF THE ZONING.

>> SECOND? ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY AYE? OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES.

>> NEXT ZONING ITEM, WHAT'S THE LAST PART?

>> 24-0024. >> RECOMMEND DENIAL OF THE

ZONING REQUEST AS WELL. >> IS THERE A SECOND? ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF MOTION AS STATED SAY AYE? OPPOSED SAME SIGN? MOTION CARRIES.

>> THE FINAL ONE --. >> COMP 24-0023.

>> SAME MOTION, TO RECOMMEND DENIAL.

>> IS THERE A SECOND? >> SECOND.

>> ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE? ANY OPPOSED SAME SIGN? MOTION CARRIES. SO ALL OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS AGAINST ALL SIX OF THESE FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS

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[Presentations]

>> YES, IT IS NOT NECESSARILY ON THE AGENDA. BUT WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT TINY HOMES AND BUNGALOW HOMES AT TIMES. AND ONE OF THE MEETINGS I ATTEND, WE HAD A SPEAKER FROM VILLAGES OF HOPE. IT IS A NONPROFIT WHOSE TRYING TO GET PEOPLE OUT OF THE SIX TRADE. ESPECIALLY THE ONES THAT WANT TO GET OUT. THEY ARE NOT NECESSARILY TRYING TO CONVINCE THEM TO GET OUT BUT THE ONES THAT WANT TO GET OUT, THEY ARE TRYING TO PROVIDE A WAY OUT. AND ONE OF THE THINGS THEY ARE DOING, I THOUGHT IT WORKED INTO THE DISCUSSION WE HAD, THIS LITTLE HANDOUT, THIS IS A LAYOUT OF WHAT THEY ARE CALLING THE VILLAGE OF HOPE ON THE WEST SIDE OF JACKSONVILLE. THIS IS A SAMPLE OF WHAT THE HOUSES WOULD LIKE LIKE 800 SQUARE FOOT HOME. IT DOESN'T REALLY APPLY COMMERCIALLY. I CAN'T SEE A DEVELOPER COMING IN AND DOING THIS. IT IS A NONPROFIT. BUT IT IS JUST ONE MORE EXAMPLE OF WE START TO THINK ABOUT THIS DIFFERENT LY LY THERE MAY BE OPTIONS. WE TALKED ABOUT VETERANS HOUSING. IF THERE IS NOT A PRIVATE DEVELOPER OUT THERE INTERESTED IN BUILDING SOMETHING LIKE THIS AS RENTALS, MAYBE IT IS TIME FOR THE COUNTY TO LOOK AT BEING A LANDLORD FOR THESE KIND OF THINGS. BECAUSE SOMEHOW WE HAVE TO PROVIDE HOUSING. I THINK THIS IS ONE OF THE FEW WAYS WE WILL GET THERE. I JUST WANTED TO SHOW THIS TO YOU. THERE WAS ALSO AN ARTICLE ABOUT IT IN THE TIMES UNION LAST SUNDAY. THIS IS ANOTHER ONE.

>> WELL, THANK YOU FOR SHARING THAT. WE DON'T HAVE ANY PRESENTATIONS. DID YOU HAVE A PRESENTATION? NO, I JUST WANTED TO ECHO WHAT COMMISSIONER PUCKHABER SAID IF I

MAY. OF COURSE. >> THERE IS A WAY TO SKIN THAT CAT. IF THERE ARE A LOT OF PUBLICLY OWNED PROPERTY THAT CLAY COUNTY OWNS TO PARTNER WITH PRIVATE DEVELOPMENTS. THE LAND BASIS IS ZERO AND THAT IS USUALLY THAT IS PREVENTABLE TO BUILD AFFORDABLE HOMES. IF THERE IS AN IMPACT FEE, REMOVAL, THERE ARE SEVERAL FEES THAT CAN BE REMOVED IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE PROPERTY THAT CAN MAKE A PROJECT LIKE THAT VERY, VERY DOABLE. THAT'S A GREAT IDEA. KEEP THE IDEAS COMING.

>> IT IS JUST I SAW THIS AND APPARENTLY THEY MANAGED TO GET IT THROUGH ALL OF THE ZONING REQUIREMENTS IN JACKSONVILLE.

>> AND JOE, YOU ARE ON THE AFFORDABLE --? YOU HAVE BEEN

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REPRESENTING US. >>> WE DO HAVE AN ITEM OF NEW BUSINESS THIS EVENING. BETH WANTED TO TALK TO US ABOUT

THAT. >> THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. WE HEARD YOU OVER THE YEARS MENTIONING YOU WOULD LIKE TO HAVE SOME TRAINING. NAS OW COUNTY IS HOSTING A PLANNING COMMISSIONERS TRAINING. YOU GOT AN EMAIL FROM KELLY HENRY. THE COUNTY WILL BE COVERING THE COST TO ATTEND. IT IS OCTOBER 25TH. WE ASK THAT YOU LET US KNOW BY THE 11TH IF AT ALL POSSIBLE IF YOU ARE INTERESTED IN ATTENDING. IF YOU WOULD LIKE REIMBURSEMENT FOR THE TRAVEL EXPENSES TO GET THERE, THERE IS A FORM THAT HAS TO BE FILLED OUT AND YOU WILL NEED TO GET THAT THROUGH TO KELLY. WE HOPE YOU WILL TAKE ADVANTAGE OF IT BECAUSE IT DOESN'T COME AROUND TOO OFTEN. THE COUNTY IS PICKING UP THE

TICKET AND YOU CAN LEARN. >> ARE THERE OTHER COUNTIES

INVOLVED? IS IT REEMGENNAL? >> YES. I LOOKED INTO HOSTING IT FOR US BUT I DIDN'T GET A GOOD RESPONSE OF THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO WANTED TO ATTEND. THEY LOCK TO HAVE MINIMUM OF 25 TO 50 PEOPLE ATTENDING. WHEN I PUT OUT THE FEELERS, I DIDN'T GET A LOT OF RESPONSE. NAS OW COUNTY HAS CHOSEN TO DO THIS. THEY INITIALLY WERE KEEPING IT TO THEMSELVES AND THEN THEY OPENED IT UP TO THE OTHER

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COUNTIES. >> I REPLIED TO KELLY SO HOPEFULLY SHE GETS IT. THAT WAS MY QUESTION. THERE WAS A LINK TO SIGN UP BUT YOU WANT US TO GO TO KELLY? I THINK WE JUST REPLY TO KELLY.

>> RATHER THAN HER HAVING TO REIMBURSE YOU. I AM VERY

DPRATFUL FOR THIS. >> I'M VERY SORRY THAT I HAVE A COMMITMENT THAT DAY BUT I WANTED TO ASK THE COMMISSIONERS, THOSE OF YOU WHO ATTEND, IF YOU WOULD COME BACK, NEXT MEETING, WITH ONE OR TWO INSIGHTS THAT YOU WOULD SHARE WITH THE GROUP AND I'VE ALREADY SPOKEN TO MR. DAVIS TO ASK HIM IF I CAN BORROW HIS MATERIALS IF HE HAS ANY THAT ARE DISTRIBUTED, PERHAPS WE COULD PASS THOSE AROUND AND BENEFIT IN THAT WAY. BUT I VERY MUCH APPRECIATE THE WORK THAT HAS GONE INTO THIS AND THE OPPORTUNITY AND I'M SORRY I WILL NOT PARTICIPATE. BUT I WOULD ASK THAT THE COMMISSIONERS COME BACK WITH A FEW ITEMS TO SHARE, IF ANYTHING WAS PARTICULARLY ENLIGHTENING AND SHARE THE MATERIALS AND HOPEFULLY WE CAN ALL BENEFIT IN

SOME FASHION FROM THAT. >> BETH, WHO IS PUTTING THIS ON? IS IT THE FLORIDA PLANNING ASSOCIATION? YES, IT IS APA, FLORIDA ONE.

>> I THINK I HAVE GONE TO TWO OF THEIRS OVER THE YEARS AND THEY ARE QUITE INFORMATIVE. WE WILL ALSO HAVE A STAFF MEMBER GO SO WE CAN DO A FOLLOW UP IF ANY OF YOU CAN ATTEND. WE WON'T SAY NOVEMBER. NOVEMBER WILL BE A LENGTHY MEETING. WE HAVE SEVERAL ITEMS THAT MAY BE CONTROVERSIAL. SO IT MAY BE A LITTLE CROWDED. NOT JUST THESE ITEMS BUT OTHERS. WE CAN CERTAINLY PLAN A DATE TO FILL YOU IP. THE OTHER THING IS WE LOOKED INTO A GROUP MEMBERSHIP WITH EPA. WE WILL GET THAT FOR YOU.

YOU WILL HAVE ACCESS TO WHATEVER MATERIALS CAN BE READ THROUGH THAT. THE LAST THING IS CACS.

THE PLUMING ISLAND HAS A NUMBER OF OPENINGS. WE NEED HELP. IF YOU KNOW SOMEONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO ATTEND, JOIN THE MEMBERSHIP. THEY ARE SHY ON MEMBERS RIGHT NOW. APPLICATIONS CAN BE FOUND ON THE WEBSITE UNDER BOARDS AND XHEETS COMMITTEES. LOOK FOR

PHLEGMING I SLAND. >> I WON'T TWIST ANY TAILS BUT I WILL PUT SOME FEELERS OUT. I'M ASSUMING THE WORK SHOP THAT YOU ARE GOING TO GIVE THE DETAILS FOR TIME AND LOCATION?

>> WE WILL, IT SHOULD BE IN THE EMAIL. THE EMAIL SHOWS WHERE IT IS. IT IS RIGHT OFF OF STATE ROAD -- IT'S RIGHT UP, YOU GO UP 95, TO STATE ROAD 200 AND TURN RIGHT.

>> I HAVE ONE ADDITIONAL ITEM. I KNOW THAT AT THE END OF THE YEAR, WE THINK ABOUT REAPPLICATIONS FOR THOSE OF US WHO HAVE TERMS EXPIRING. IS IT TOO SOON TO REAPPLY FOR

THOSE WHO DO? >> NO, GO AHAD HEAD. KELLY IS RAISING HER HAND.

>> ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU FOR THAT. WE APPRECIATE THE REMINDER. IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE WE NEED TO HAVE OUR FINAL PUBLIC COMMENT HEARING, COMMENT PERIOD. I KNOW THERE IS NO ONE HERE BUT I WILL OPEN PUBLIC COMMENT. SEEING NO ONE COMING FORWARD,

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.