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          >> WELL, WELCOME, EVERYONE, THIS EVENING. WE WANT TO BEGIN ON TIME HERE , SO, WITHOUT FURTHER ADO, CAN YOU RISE FOR THE INDICATION BY VICE CHAIR CELLA? 
          >> IT AFTERNOON, CAN YOU JOIN US, IF YOU WOULD LIKE, IN PRAYER? DEAR WIVES AND LOVING FATHER, THANK YOU FOR THE LIVES THAT YOU PUT IN THIS ROOM. ONLY YOU KNOW WHAT WE ARE SETTING OUT FOR TODAY. YOU HAVE THE COURAGE TO KNOW AND DO WHAT IS RIGHT AND WHAT IS TRUE. WE HAVE AN IDEA, A VISION, TALENTS, ABILITIES, AND TIME TO WORK, HOWEVER, YOU CAN SEE WHAT'S PERFECT EACH AND EVERY DAY. EVERY PROJECT, EVERY SEASON, EVERY LIFE. BLESS THIS MEETING TODAY, ALL OF THOSE PRESENT, AS WELL AS THOSE THAT WE WILL ENCOUNTER AFTERWARDS. IN JESUS 
          NAME, AMEN. >> THIS EVENING, WE HAVE RANDALL BELL. HE WILL BE JUST THE PLEDGE. BUT LET'S GIVE AN ACCOUNT OF WHO HE IS. HE'S AN ELECTRICIAN, SECOND CLASS TYPES MARINER -- SUBMARINER ? OKAY. THAT'S WHAT AVIATORS CALL THE ELVES. 
          CONNECTICUT, CHARLESTON, SOUTH CAROLINA . HE JOINED THE NAVY IN 19 34 IN THE OLD SERVICE COUNTRY ON A SUBMARINE , WHICH IS ALSO HIS FAVORITE MEMORY . HE LEARNED LOTS OF RESPECT, DIGNITY, AND PATRIOTISM. YET SEVERAL AWARDS, LOOTING -- WITHOUT FURTHER ADO, CAN YOU LEAD US IN THE PLEDGE? 
          >> I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE NIGHT TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION, UNDER GOD, HE ADDRESSES SPRAWL. THE MICROPHONE IS YOURS. -- MY FATHER SPENT 28 YEARS IN THE ARMY. MY SISTER SPENT 31 YEARS IN THE ARMY. MY BROTHER RETIRED LAST YEAR. 42 YEARS IN THE ARMY. MY FATHER, WHO DIED EARLIER THIS YEAR, WAS A WORLD WAR II VET. SO, WE ARE ALL VETERANS. EVEN THE FURNITURE STANDS AT ATTENTION. IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS, AND THIS IS A GREAT HONOR TODAY. YOU GUYS GIVE IT TO US, AND IT IS SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE APPRECIATED. I REALLY DO THANK 
          YOU FOR THIS HONOR. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THE SERVICE EXTENDS A LONG TIME AFTERWARD TO DO, EVEN WITH ALL THAT MILITARY STUFF. I WILL CALL THE BOARD OF COUNTY 
          [CALL TO ORDER]
          [PET ADOPTIONS]
COMMISSIONERS MEETING HERE TO ORDER FOR SEPTEMBER 10TH . I KNOW I CAN SEE WE HAVE ALL FIVE COMMISSIONERS PRESENT, SO WE WILL GO RIGHT INTO PET ADOPTIONS. 
          >> OKAY. OUR FIRST DOG TONIGHT IS TYSON, A NEUTERED MALE MIXED BREED, NINE YEARS OLD, AND WEIGHS 28 POUNDS. MEET TYSON, THE FROSTED FACE BEAGLE MIX WITH A HEART FULL OF LOVE AND A SPIRIT THAT IS STILL GOING STRONG. AT NINE YEARS OLD, HE'S READY TO LIVE OUT HIS GOLDEN YEARS IN A LOVE FILLED WITH LOVE AND COMFORT. HIS SHORTER STATURE ADDS TO HIS CUTENESS , AND HE SHINES IN SOCIAL SETTINGS. HE DID WONDERFULLY AT A RECENT EVENT, AND ADORES KIDS. IF YOU'RE 
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LOOKING FOR DENTAL COMPANION TO ENJOY THE SPECIAL TIME IN LIFE, TYSON IS READY TO JOIN YOUR FAMILY. OUR NEXT DOG IS BONNIE, SEVEN YEARS OLD, AND WEIGHS 60 POUNDS. MEET BONNIE, THE PERFECT BLEND OF MELLOW AND SPUNKY. AT SEVEN YEARS YOUNG, THE SWEET FACED GAL IS HOUSETRAINED, WALKS ON A LEASH, AND LEARNS HOW TO CHARM EVERYONE SHE MEETS, INCLUDING BOUNCY LITTLE KIDS. WHETHER FOR A RELAXED MOVIE NIGHT OR A CASUAL STROLL AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD, BODY IS YOUR GIRL. SHE'S ALWAYS READY TO SHOW OFF HER BIG SMILE FOR SOME LOVING ATTENTION. IF YOU'RE LOOKING FOR A LAID-BACK YET PLAYFUL COMPANION, BONNIE IS THE ONE. OUR FIRST CAT IS NEW LUKE, NEUTERED MALE, THREE MONTHS OLD. MEET LUKE, THE KITTEN WHO STORED STARTED OUT WONDERING IF HIS WHOLE LIFE ON EARTH THING WAS REALLY FOR HIM. AT FIRST, HE WAS A LITTLE FEISTY. THINK MANY LION CUB VIBES. BUT LATELY, HE HAS DECIDED THAT MAYBE HUMANS AREN'T AS BAD. HIS PLAYFUL SIDE IS COMING OUT, IT IS EVEN GETTING CURIOUS ABOUT THE PEOPLE TAKING CARE OF THEM. LUKE IS LOOKING FOR A HOME WHERE HE CAN CONTINUE TO THRIVE AND EMBRACES TRUE CALLING, BEING AN AWESOME, ADVENTUROUS CAT. LASTLY, WE HAVE A SPEED FEMALE, DOMESTIC SHORTHAIR, FIVE YEARS OLD. SHE'S THE COZY QUEEN OF AUTUMN, WITH HER BEAUTIFUL FUR COAT AND LOVE FOR ALL THINGS FALL , SHE'S THE PERFECT COMPANION FOR CRISP EVENINGS AND A PUMPKIN SPICE VIBE. A LITTLE SHY AT FIRST, BUT ONCE SHE IS COMFORTABLE, SHE WILL BE YOUR GO TO FOR SNUGGLES ON THE COUCH. SHE IS LOOKING FOR HER FOREVER PHONE HOME, SHARING A LIFETIME OF COZY MOMENTS. WE ARE STILL IN NEED OF FOSTER PARENTS FOR DOGS, CATS, AND KITTENS. PLEASE CONSIDER OPENING YOUR HOME TEMPORARILY. IF YOU ARE INTERESTED, YOU CAN CONTACT US , AND IF YOU ARE INTERESTED IN HELPING OUR FURRY FRIENDS BUT CAN'T BRING ONE HOME, YOU CAN LOOK AT OUR AMAZON WISH LIST. WE ARE ALWAYS IN NEED OF ITEMS FOR OUR FOSTER KITTENS AND SHELTER I ANIMALS. THAT 
          [1.  BASCA Awareness Week (September 15-21, 2024)]
          CONCLUDES OUR PET ADOPTIONS. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          COMMISSIONERS, EACH CAN YOU JOIN ME UP FRONT FOR TWO PROCLAMATIONS TONIGHT? THE FIRST PROCLAMATION WE HAVE THIS EVENING IS BASCA AWARENESS WEEK, WHICH IS SEPTEMBER 15TH THROUGH THE 21ST. BASCA'S CHIEF EXECUTIVE OFFICER, PATRICK HENLEY, IF YOU WOULD COME ON DOWN HERE AND JOIN US, IS HERE TO HELP US RECOGNIZE THE OUTSTANDING SPEED OF THE ORGANIZATION IN THE OUTSTANDING WORK THEY DO EVERY DAY WITH RESIDENCES WITH DEVELOPMENTAL DIFFERENCES. SO, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR JOINING US, 
          COMMISSIONER. >> WHEREAS BASCA IS AN ACRONYM FOR BUILDING ABILITIES FOR SPECIAL CHILDREN AND ADULTS , AND WHEREAS BASCA WAS FOUNDED IN 1994 TO IMPROVE THE QUALITY OF LIFE FOR INDIVIDUALS WITH DEVELOPMENTAL DISABILITIES IN NORTHEAST FLORIDA, AND CELEBRATING 30 YEARS OF SERVING ADULTS WITH DIFFERENCES IN CLAY COUNTY, AND WHEREAS BASCA AIMS TO MEET THE NEEDS FOR THOSE WITH DEVELOP MENTAL DIFFERENCES WITH THE OPERATION FOR GROUP HOMES IN ORANGE PARK AND FLEMING ISLAND BY PROVIDING DAY PROGRAMS IN ORANGE PARK AND BY PROVIDING IN-HOME SUPPORT SERVICES AND TRANSPORTATION FOR THOSE THAT SERVE -- SO THOSE THAT SERVE CAN PARTICIPATE IN ALL ASPECTS OF SOCIETY, AND WHEREAS THE WORK BASCA DOES EVERY DAY BY IMPROVING OUR COUNTY BY ENHANCING SKILLS AND FOSTERING THE CONFIDENCE OF THOSE WITH INTELLECTUAL DIFFERENCES TO ENTER THE JOB MARKET, BE A VALUED PART OF THE COMMUNITY, MAKE NEW FRIENDS, AND HELP OTHERS BY VOLUNTEERING, AND WHEREAS BASCA HOLDS VARIOUS COMMUNITY EVENTS THROUGHOUT THE YEAR, INCLUDING THE CAPABILITIES 5K ONE METER -- ONE MILE ? ONE MILE RUN. WALK, RUN, OR ROLL EVENT TO BE HELD ON SEPTEMBER 21ST , AND BASCA AWARENESS WEEK RECOGNIZES THE THIRD WEEK OF SEPTEMBER 2 SO THE ACCOUNT JUDGMENTS AND ABILITIES FOR THOSE WITH DEVELOP MENTAL DIFFERENCES WHO LIVE, WORK, AND PARTICIPATE IN CLAY COUNTY LIFE. BE A RESULT OF THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS , CLAY COUNTY FLORIDA DOES HEREBY PROCLAIM THE NUMBER 15 THROUGH THE 21ST 2024 AS BASCA AWARENESS WEEK IN CLAY COUNTY, AND ENCOURAGES THE RESIDENCE OF CLAY COUNTY TO OFFER SUPPORT AND LOVE FOR INDIVIDUALS WITH UNIQUE ABILITIES IN OUR COMMUNITY SO THEY MAY LEAD IT WERE REWARDING AND FULFILLING LIVES , DULY ADOPTED BY THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS , THIS 10TH DAY OF SEPTEMBER, 2024. DO WE HAVE A MOTION? AND ALL IN FAVOR, SAY 
          [00:10:02]
AYE? WE PASSED UNANIMOUSLY. CONGRATULATIONS. 
          >> WELL, LIKE SHE SAID, 1994 , WHICH WAS 30 YEARS AGO , FAMILIES IN ORANGE PARK GOT TOGETHER, AND THEY WANTED TO PUT TOGETHER FOR ORGANIZATIONS WITH DISABILITIES DIFFERENTLY, AND WE WERE OUT THERE. THANKS TO THE SUPPORT FOR EVERYBODY IS IN THIS COUNTY, ESPECIALLY THE BOARD, THEY ARE STILL AROUND TODAY, AND WE ARE SERVING ALMOST 100 PEOPLE. ON BEHALF OF ALL OF THOSE MEN AND WOMEN THAT WE SERVE, WE WANT TO THANK EVERYBODY FOR SUPPORTING US OVER ALL OF THESE YEARS. 
          [2.  National POW/MIA Recognition Day (September 20, 2024)]
          >> WELL, SEPTEMBER IS A VERY NOTEWORTHY MONTH . TODAY, WE WILL COMMEMORATE THE RECOGNITION DAY, WHICH IS REALLY CELEBRATED ON THE FOURTH FRIDAY OF SEPTEMBER TO HONOR THE SERVICE AND SACRIFICE TO OUR PRISONERS AWARD AND THOSE MISSING IN ACTION. THIS EVENING, WE HAVE CAPTAIN ED TURNER, I DON'T SEE HIM. DO WE HAVE ANYBODY -- HE'S HELD UP? OKAY, SO, HE'S NOT HERE? HE MAY SHOW UP? I WILL EMBARRASS HIM WHEN HE DOES GET HERE. BUT ANYWAYS , HE REPRESENTS THE AIRFIELD, WHICH I THINK IS THE ONLY ONE IN THE NATION THAT HAS A MUSEUM FOR POW/MIA AND MISSING IN ACTION TYPE SORT. 
          BUT THIS EVENING, WE HAVE NAVY CAPTAIN DALE KRIEGEL, AND IF YOU CAN JOIN US APPEAR, HE WAS FORCED TO EJECT FROM A A SEVEN AND STRUCK INTO NORTH VIETNAM IN 1972. HE WAS CAPTURED AND HELD CAPTIVE FOR 225 DAYS UNTIL OPERATION HOMECOMING . SO, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR BEING HERE. WE ALSO WANT TO RECOGNIZE AIR FORCE COLONEL WILLIAM BURNS, BUT HE WAS UNABLE TO BE HERE WITH US THIS EVENING. BUT, WE WILL ALSO RECOGNIZE BRUCE GILPIN, IF YOU CAN COME APPEAR, YOU ARE A VIETNAM VETERAN ASSOCIATION CHAIR AT THE P.O.W. M.I.A. COMMITTEE. MA'AM, I DON'T KNOW YOUR NAME. COME ON UP. AND FROM OUR OWN CLAY COUNTY VETERANS COUNCIL , WE HAVE HAD TO LEWIS AND JOHN ROURKE. SO TONIGHT, WE WILL READ A PROCLAMATION FOR NATIONAL POW/MIA RECOGNITION DAY. 
          >> IT READS WHEREAS NATIONAL POW/MIA RECOGNITION DAY WAS ESTABLISHED IN 1979 THROUGH A PROCLAMATION SIGNED BY PRESIDENT JIMMY CARTER, AND SINCE THAT DAY, EACH SUBSEQUENT RESIDENT HAS ISSUED AN ANNUAL PROCLAMATION COMMEMORATING THE THIRD FRIDAY IN SEPTEMBER AS BASCA AWARENESS WEEK THREE, AND WHEREAS THROUGHOUT AMERICAN HISTORY , THE MEN AND WOMEN OF OUR ARMED FORCES HAVE SELFLESSLY SERVED OUR COUNTRY , AND MADE TREMENDOUS SACRIFICES TO DEFEND THE LIBERTY OF OUR GREAT NATION , AND WHEREAS MANY OF THESE BRAVE HEROES SUFFERED AS PRISONERS OF WAR DURING SEVERAL DECADES OF VARYING CONFLICTS, AND NEARLY 81,000 AMERICANS WHO FOUGHT IN THOSE WARS ARE STILL MISSING, AND WHEREAS ON THIS DAY , WE HEREBY HONOR ALL AMERICAN PRISONERS OF WAR, AND EXPRESS OUR DEEPEST GRATITUDE FOR THE COURAGE AND DETERMINATION THAT THEY EXAMPLE OF EYEWALL ENTERING TERRIBLE HARDSHIPS , AND WE PAY TRIBUTE TO THOSE WHO NEVER RETURNED FROM THE BATTLEFIELD AND TO THEIR FAMILIES, WHO LEAVE LIVE EACH DAY WITH THE UNCERTAINTY ABOUT THE FATE OF THEIR LOVED ONE. THE RESULT OF THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS DOES HEREBY PROCLAIM SEPTEMBER 20TH, 2024 AS BASCA AWARENESS WEEK THREE IN CLAY COUNTY SO WE MAY 
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REMEMBER THE HARDSHIPS EXPERIENCED BY OUR PRISONERS OF WAR , AND THE INCREDIBLE SACRIFICES OF OUR SERVICEMEN AND WOMEN WHO NEVER RETURNED HOME. WE FELT THAT THEIR HEROIC ACTIONS WILL NEVER BE FORGOTTEN , DULY ADOPTED BY THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS, CLAY COUNTY FLORIDA, THIS 10TH DAY OF SEPTEMBER, 2024. DO I HAVE A MOTION? ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE? 
          >> AYE. >> AYE. 
          >> AYE. >> AND I GIVE THIS TO YOU? AND 
          A MICROPHONE TOO? >> THE ONE THING THAT BOTHERS ME ABOUT THIS IS NOBODY RECOGNIZES THE TOUGH, TOUGH TIMES THAT THE WIVES HAVE TO GO THROUGH. THAT ALWAYS BOTHERED ME. THE OTHER THING IS IF YOU WANT TO HAVE A TAKE AND GOOD POINT WHERE YOU WILL LOSE WEIGHT, I CAN GIVE HALF OF YOU A VERY FINE MENU, WHICH WILL BRING YOU DOWN QUITE A WAYS. I STARTED OUT WHEN I JUMPED OUT OF THE AIRPLANE AND 195. I WAS 140. THERE WAS NOT LEFT ON ME ASIDE FROM BONES. BUT ANYWAYS, 
          HERE IS TO THE WIVES. >> AND I KNOW YOUR WIFE. PATTY? SHE IS TAKING GREAT CARE OF YOU ALL OF THESE YEARS. 59? AND SHE IS. SHE NURSES HIM ALL THE TIME. WE HAVE A SPECIAL 
          PRESENTATION BY OUR BSO. >> THANK YOU. EACH ITEM ON THE MISSING MAN TABLE REPRESENTS THE EMOTIONS AND FEELINGS RESERVED FOR THOSE WHO DID NOT COME HOME. ALL AMERICANS SHOULD NEVER FORGET THE BRAVE MEN AND WOMEN WHO ANSWERED OUR NATIONS CALL TO SERVE AND FOUGHT FOR OUR FREEDOM WITH HONOR. THE SYMBOLISM OF THE MISSING MAN TABLE, THE TABLE IS AROUND TO SHOW OUR EVERLASTING CONCERN FOR OUR MISSING MEN AND WOMEN. 
          THE CAUSES WHITE, CIVILIZING THE PURITY OF THEIR MOTIVES WHEN ANSWERING THE CALL TO SERVE. THE SIMILAR WOES DISPLAYED IN A FACE REMINDS US OF THE LIVES THAT THESE AMERICANS AND THEIR LOVED ONES AND FRIENDS WHO KEPT THE FACE WHILE SEEKING ANSWERS. THE RED RIBBON SYMBOLIZES OUR CONTINUED DETERMINATION TO ACCOUNT FOR OUR MISSING. A SLICE OF LEMON REMINDS US OF THEIR BITTER FAITH, AND CAPTURED AND MISSING IN FOREIGN LANDS. A PINCH OF SALT SYMBOLIZES THE TEARS OF OUR MISSING, AND THEIR FAMILIES WHO LONG FOR ANSWERS AFTER DECADES OF UNCERTAINTY. THE LIT CANDLE REFLECTS OUR HOPE FOR THEIR RETURN. ALIVE OR DEAD. THE BIBLE REPRESENTS THE STRENGTH GAINED THROUGH FAITH TO SUSTAIN US , AND THOSE LOST FROM OUR COUNTRY FOUNDED AS ONE NATION UNDER GOD. THE GLASS IS INVERTED, SYMBOLIZING THEIR INABILITY TO SHARE A TOAST. AND THE CHAIR IS EMPTY. THE SEAT THAT REMAINS UNCLAIMED AT THE 
          TABLE. >> DO YOU HAVE COMMENTS? 
          >> IT'S A VERY NICE CEREMONY. IT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN SEE AND YOU DEFINITELY DON'T FEEL . BUT THANK YOU. 
          >> AS A COULD INTERCEPT HERE, WE HAVE A HUSBAND AND WIFE OF 55 YEARS HERE. SHE SAID SHE IS GOING TO CATCH YOU. 
          >> WELL, THANK YOU, ALL. WE KNOW YOU SACRIFICED A LOT FOR THE COUNTRY, AND WE CERTAINLY HAVE APPRECIATED EVERYTHNG YOU HAVE DONE. NOT ONLY THEN, BUT CURRENTLY, BECAUSE I KNOW YOUR SCHEDULE IS FULL. SO, HE'S BUSY MANNING THIS TIME OF YEAR. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONTINUED SERVICE TO OUR GREAT COUNTY AND GREAT COUNTRY. ONE THING I WANT TO BRING UP AS MY WIFE DID NOT 
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KNOW IF I WAS DEAD OR ALIVE FOR TWO MONTHS. IT WAS LONG BEFORE CELL PHONES , AND LONG BEFORE TEXT AND ALL OF THAT KIND OF STUFF. THEY MAKE IT LEAVE THOSE CONVENIENCES ANYWAYS. SO THANK 
          YOU VERY MUCH FOR BEING HERE. >> PHOTO, EVERYONE! 
          >> PHOTO? PHOTO. SORRY. >> WE HAVE ONE DECLARATION FOR 
          [3.  National Hispanic Heritage Month (September 15- October 15, 2024)]
THIS EVENING'S PRESENTATION. IT'S NATIONAL HISPANIC HERITAGE MONTH, SEPTEMBER 15 THROUGH OCTOBER 15TH , WHICH IS NATIONALLY RECOGNIZED AS NATIONAL HISPANIC HERITAGE MONTH TO CELEBRATE THE CONTRIBUTIONS OF HISPANIC AND LATINO CITIZENS WHOSE ANCESTORS CAME FROM MEXICO, THE CARIBBEAN , SPAIN, AND CENTRAL AND SOUTH AMERICA. I ENCOURAGE EVERYONE TO TAKE A LOOK ON THE WEBSITE AND TAKE A LOOK AT THAT DECLARATION, AND SHARE IN THE JOY OF DIVERSITY OF OUR 
          [CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICERS]
COUNTRY. SO, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT. THIS EVENING , WE HAVE NO CONSTITUTIONS, BUT DIRECTOR RICKY, YOU ARE HERE ? OKAY, WE HAVE TWO FROM THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE. IN THE BACK? OKAY. EVERYTHING IS GOING WELL WITH SEE CSO? GREAT. THAT IS WHAT I LIKE TO HEAR. CLERK GREEN IS OFF IN A CONFERENCE SOMEWHERE . THE NEXT ORDER OF BUSINESS IS THE APPROVAL OF 
          [APPROVAL OF MINUTES]
MINUTES. I DON'T NUMBER FOUR IS A PROVEN APPROVAL OF MINUTES 
          FROM AUGUST 27TH, 224. >> I MOVE TO APPROVE. 
          >> WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES. 
          >> SECOND. >> A SECOND AND EMOTION. ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, OR CONCERNS? IF NOT, ALL IN FAVOR, 
          [PUBLIC COMMENTS]
          SAY AYE? >> AYE. 
          >> AYE. >> AYE. 
          >> THAT ANSWERS 5-0. NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS PUBLIC COMMENT. THIS PORTION OF THE AGENDA IS DESIGNED TO ALLOW CITIZENS AN OPPORTUNITY TO BRING MATTERS TO THE ATTENTION OF THIS BOARD. AT THIS TIME, THE BOARD WILL NOT ENGAGE IN DEBATE. IT IS COMMENTS AND NOT A CONVERSATION. IF YOU DO HAVE A QUESTION THAT YOU WANT ANSWERED, YOU CAN EMAIL THAT TO US , AND STAFF WILL ADDRESS YOUR QUESTIONS , OR YOU MAY EMAIL YOUR DISTRICT COMMISSIONER. PUBLIC COMMENT CARDS ARE CONVENIENTLY PLACED AT THE MEETING ROOM ENTRANCE AND SHOULD BE SUBMITTED TO THE CLERK AT THE FAR LEFT OF THE DAIS HERE. YOU ARE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES . BEFORE ADDRESSING THE BOARD, PLEASE GIVE US YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD. FIRST , AND I HAVE -- WELCOME I DON'T HAVE ANY GENERAL COMMENTS. THESE TWO I HAVE ARE FOR SPECIFIC ITEMS, WHICH WE WILL DISCUSS. 28, I AM CHECKING, IS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. SO, YOU MIGHT WANT TO TALK ABOUT THAT NOW , BECAUSE UNLESS IT IS PULLED, IT IS NOT GOING TO BE PULLED. 36, THAT IS A PUBLIC HEARING. ITEM NUMBER 28, AUSTIN NICHOLS, IF YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO THAT ONE IN GENERAL COMMENTS HERE? 
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          >> YEAH, I'M AUSTIN NICHOLAS WITH THE NORTHEAST COUNTY ASSOCIATION , ADDRESSED 6707 SOUTHPOINT PARKWAY . THANK YOU GUYS AS ALWAYS FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK. I SPOKE TO SOME OF YOU ABOUT THIS ISSUE , BUT WE RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT WE GET A SIX-MONTH DELAY TO FURTHERING THOSE FEES ADDITION TO THOSE CONTAINED THEREIN WITH THE CONDITION OF COUNTY STAFF . 
          WE ALSO THINK A DELAY WOULD BE BENEFICIAL FOR CLAY COUNTY CITIZENS BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME CHANGES TO THE PARKS AND RECREATION FEES THAT MAY WARRANT FURTHER COMMUNITIES AND DISCUSSION. BUT WE APPRECIATE YOUR CONSIDERATION. I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, BUT THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE TO 
          CLAY COUNTY AND ITS CITIZENS. >> THANK YOU. ANY QUESTION TO PUBLIC COMMENT? ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON ANY ITEM ? YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES. I AM HEARING NONE AND SEEING NONE. I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD. LET'S MOVE IT BACK TO 
          [CONSENT AGENDA]
THE COMMISSION . NEXT ITEM WILL BE THE CONSENT AGENDA. 
          >> WITH RESPECT TO THE CONSENT AGENDA , STUFF REQUESTS THAT ITEM NUMBER 14 THE PULLED , AND WE WILL BRING IT BACK TO TO THE NEXT MEETING FOR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION THAT NEEDS TO BE 
          GATHERED. >> OKAY. ITEM NUMBER 14 IS REQUESTING TO BE PULLED. AND I WILL PULL NUMBER 28 TO DISCUSS THAT, MR. NICHOLAS. I WILL PULL NUMBER 28 FOR DISCUSSION. 
          >> NUMBER 16 AS WELL, PLEASE ? 
          >> 16? >> SIX. 
          >> ANY OTHER ITEMS TO BE PULLED? OKAY, I WILL TAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA, SANS SIX, 14, AND 28. 
          >> I MOVE TO APPROVE. >> WE HAVE A MOTION IN A SECOND TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA EXCEPT FOR SIX, 14, AND 28. ANY 
          [6.  RFQ No. 23/24-080, Clay County Judicial Facility Master Plan (K. Smith)]
QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, OR CONCERNS? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, 
          SAY AYE? 13 >> AYE. 
          >> AYE. >> THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. I 
          DON'T NUMBER SIX? >> I PULLED THIS ITEM BECAUSE I WAS IMPRESSED THAT THEY HAD AS MANY EVALUATORS AS THEY DID, BUT THERE WAS SO MUCH VARIATION IN THE SCORING . I THINK THIS IS REALLY IMPORTANT THAT WE GET THIS RIGHT . WE HAVE HAD SOME OTHER STUDIES AND THINGS LATELY THAT WE MAY BE COULD HAVE FLESHED OUT A LITTLE BIT BETTER OF WHAT OUR EXPECTATIONS WERE AHEAD OF TIME . SO, I WAS JUST WONDERING IF WE WOULD WANT TO HAVE PRESENTATIONS FROM AT LEAST THE TOP TWO? THERE WERE SOME SCORES PRETTY SKEWED IN THE EVALUATORS , AND IF YOU JUST REMOVE THOSE SCORES FROM EVERYONE'S -- FROM ALL FOUR EVALUATIONS , THE TOP TWO ARE TIED . SO, YOU KNOW, THERE IS THE DISCREPANCY IN THE SCORES NOW. AND I DON'T WANT YOU TO SCALP SCORERS , I WE WOULD WANT HEAR A LITTLE MORE THOSE PRESENTATIONS AND MAKE SURE THAT WE SELECT THE RIGHT FIRM 
          TO DO THAT? >> I CAN MAKE A COMMENT SIMPLY BECAUSE IT WAS AN OBSERVER ON THE SELECTION COMMITTEE. JUDGE WHITTINGTON WAS ON THE COMMITTEE AS WELL AS JUDGE DAVE . REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE PUBLIC DEFENDERS OFFICE AND STATE ATTORNEY'S OFFICE WERE I THINK AROUND EIGHT OR NINE. 
          THERE IS QUITE A FEW SELECTIONS, AND THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION. WHEN YOU READ THROUGH ALL OF THE APPLICATIONS, YOU MIGHT HAVE MISSED SOMETHING , OR REFLECTED ON THE PROPOSAL IN A DIFFERENT MANNER THAN A DIFFERENT MEMBER, BUT I THINK THEY ALL CAME TO AGREEMENT . YOU KNOW, THERE WAS MOVEMENT IN SCORES UP AND DOWN BOTH WAYS , AND I THINK THE COMMITTEE WAS IN AGREEMENT . DEWBERRY WAS THE HONEST WINNER. 
          THE OTHER THING I HAVE BEEN INFORMED ON IS YOU HAVE TO ASK THESE THREE TOP FIRMS TO PRESENT , SO I THINK JUDGE DAVE 
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-- THE COMMITTEE WAS HAPPY WITH DEWBERRY AS A SELECT TEAM TO PROVIDE THE STUDY OF PROPOSAL. SO, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE WOULD BE GAINING ANYTHING . QUITE HONESTLY, JUDGE DAY IS PRETTY FORCEFUL AND KNOWS WHAT HE IS DOING. HE WAS HAPPY WITH HIS SELECTIONS. SOME OF HIS SCORED MOVE AROUND A LITTLE BIT. THERE WAS ONE THAT MOVED QUITE A BIT . THEY WERE A LITTLE BIT MORE CRITICAL . AND IT WASN'T SO MUCH DEVIATION FROM THE NORMAL MOVE, IT WAS CONSISTENT WITH THE CONSISTENCY OF THE EVALUATOR SCORES. QUITE HONESTLY, THAT EVALUATOR WAS CONSISTENT WITH THE REST. BUT IT WAS UNDERSTANDABLE . 
          >> WELL, THAT EXPLANATION IS -- ALWAYS HE IS THE PAPERWORK BEHIND IT, SO IT'S WORTHWHILE TO HAVE A CONVERSATION. THAT BRINGS A LOT MORE COMFORT. I WANT TO GET IT RIGHT. 
          >> I THINK THE COMMITTEE DID A GOOD JOB. I THINK THERE WAS A VERY DIVERSE DISCUSSION AND VERY COLLABORATIVE AS WELL. WE ALL HAVE THE SAME OPINION OF THE NUMBER ONE THING. 
          >> IF I COULD, YOU ARE RIGHT ABOUT THAT SET OF FOLKS WHO RATED THE PACKAGES WHO WILL PUT DEWBERRY AT THE TOP. I DON'T HAVE A REAL PROBLEM WITH TAKING A SECOND LOOK, BUT AT THE SAME TIME , IN BETWEEN THE TOP TWO, IT WAS PRETTY CLOSE , BUT IF YOU INCLUDE THE THIRD ONE, THEY WOULD FALL OFF. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S WORTH YOUR WHILE TO HAVE ALL THREE COME BACK OR JUST STICK WITH WHAT THE GROUP HAS COME BACK WITH IN TERMS OF THE RATING. I DON'T KNOW IT WOULD HELP OUR BOARD , IF IT WOULD HELP JUDGE WHITTINGTON , IF ANYTHIN WOULD HELP US FIND ANSWERS THAT HE MIGHT ADD TO THE MIX IN TERMS OF MOVING US FORWARD , BUT I THINK IT'S BETTER BEST INTEREST OF BEING A BOARD AND BEING JUDGES THAT WE WILL SEE THIS WORK HAPPENED ON 
          THE HALL. PLEASE DO. >> IT AFTERNOON. 
          >> IT AFTERNOON. >> I WILL START BY SAYING THAT ONE OF THE THINGS THEY TEACH YOU IN JUDGE SCHOOL, AND YES, THERE IS A JUDGE SCHOOL , IS STAY IN YOUR LANE. MY LANE IS NOT TO MAKE THIS DECISION. SO WHATEVER YOU ALL DECIDE IS FINE BY ME. I FOUND IT A GREAT HONOR TO BE PART OF THE EVALUATION COMMITTEE. I HAVE NEVER DONE THAT BEFORE. I DON'T THINK ANYONE ON THE COMMITTEE HAS DONE IT BEFORE EXCEPT FOR MR. PRICE, THE COUNTY FACILITIES MANAGER , AND I THINK WE WILL SAY, AND I WAS CERTAINLY SAY IT IS AN EXCELLENT PROCESS. I WAS VERY IMPRESSED WITH THE WHOLE THING FROM START TO FINISH, AND I WANT TO CALL IT MS. THOMAS AND MS. RUTH FOR DOING AN EXCELLENT JOB FOR PUTTING IT TOGETHER. I KNOW YOU HAVE BEEN PART OF THIS AS WELL , SO THANK YOU ALL FOR HELPING US PUT TOGETHER THIS MASTER PLAN. I CERTAINLY HAVE INVESTED INTEREST IN IT. FOR ONE OF THE JUDGES BEING AT THE COURTHOUSE, I CAN'T WAIT TO SEE THE PROCESS FINISH. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT IT, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM, BUT WHETHER OR NOT THERE SHOULD BE PRESENTATIONS OR NOT, I TRUST YOU ALL TO MAKE THE BEST DECISION. AND I WOULD ECHO WITH THE COMMISSIONER. WE HAD A THOROUGH, EXCELLENT DISCUSSION . IT WAS REALLY FUN TO BE A PART OF THAT AND I ECHO EVERYTHING HE SAID. IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS, I'M HAPPY 
          TO ANSWER THEM. >> DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY 
          QUESTIONS FOR THE JUDGE? >> THANK YOU, SIR. 
          >> CERTAINLY. THANK YOU, ALL. >> AND COMFORTABLE WITH THE COMMITTEE. I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK WITH THE JUDGE PRIOR TO THE MEETING, AND I AM COMFORTABLE TO MOVE FORWARD. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE HAD THAT CONVERSATION . 
          YOUR INPUT , MR. CHAIR, IS VALUABLE . YOURS AS WELL, 
          JUDGE. >> THANK YOU. DO HAVE A MOTION? 
          >> I WILL MOVE TO APPROVE. >> SECOND. 
          >> WE HAVE A MOTION IN A SECOND. ANY COMMENTS, QUESTIONS, OR CONCERNS? ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. 
          >> AYE. >> AYE. 
          >> AYE. >> ITEM NUMBER 14 WAS PULLED? 
          >> THAT'S JUST TOO DEEP FOR IT COULD TO THE SEPTEMBER 24TH 
          MEETING. >> OKAY. WE ARE AWAITING NEW INFORMATION. OKAY. ITEM NUMBER 28 IS THE FEE SCHEDULE . I 
          [28.  FY 2024/2025 Schedule of Fees and Services (D.Sileo)]
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PULLED THAT FOR A COUPLE OF REASONS. ONE, IT IS EXTREMELY WIDE. IT'S LOOKING AT FEES THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE COUNTY, AND LOOKING AT CLARIFICATION AND CHANGES. IT'S AN ALL-ENCOMPASSING SET. THERE'S A LOT TO DIGEST FOR ME , GOING OVER ALL OF THE CHANGES , AND I PERSONALLY DID NOT FEEL LIKE I HAD ENOUGH TIME TO LOOK AT EVERYTHING, BUT I HAVE BEEN LOOKING AT A FOR THE LAST TWO HOURS IN MY OFFICE . THE PROBLEM I HAVE WITH IT IS IF I DID NOT HAVE ENOUGH TIME TO LOOK AT IT, I AM NOT SURE THE PUBLIC HAD ENOUGH TIME TO LOOK AT IT AS WELL. HOWEVER , WHEN I DID REVIEW IT AND SCRUTINIZE IT, THERE ARE SOME ITEMS ON THERE THAT HAVE IMPACTS BEYOND A DELAY OF THE APPROVAL OF THIS ITEM. SO, TRASH FEES ARE IN THEIR , THERE ARE SOME ITEMS THERE THAT I MIGHT WANT TO LOOK OVER WITH THE COUNTY ATTORNEY TO HAVE THEM APPROVED SOME ITEMS AND NOT ALL OF THE ITEMS. I HAVE A LIST OF ITEMS I WOULD LIKE TO PULL OUT AND PULL IN ADVANCE FOR A PERIOD OF TIME SO THAT WE CAN GET FURTHER SCRUTINY FROM COMMISSIONERS, AS 
          WELL AS THE PUBLIC. >> WE CAN CERTAINLY TAKE THE 
          CREDITS. >> AND WE CAN COME BACK AND 
          VOTE FOR THOSE ITEMS LATER? >> WE CAN TAKE THE ITEMS YOU ARE WILLING TO MOVE FORWARD WITHIN THIS TIME, AND CONCLUDE THOSE. IF YOU WANT TO BRING OTHER ITEMS BACK AT ANOTHER 
          TIME? >> I HAVE A LIST OF ITEMS , BUT I THINK WE OUGHT TO WAIT AND TAKE A LOOK AT THEM. WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO READ THEM OFF? THEY ARE PRETTY SIGNIFICANT, AND QUITE HONESTLY DEAL WITH THE DEVELOPER BUILDING PERMITS AND THINGS AS SUCH. I WILL GIVE YOU THE PARAGRAPH. 2081, 2082 , 2083, 2084 , THREE POINT ONE , A NEW TABLE WITH LICENSING FEES -- HOWEVER, WITHIN 2081 IS THE COLLECTION OF DISPOSABLE FEARS, AND I WOULD LIKE TO EXEMPT THEM -- WELL, NOT EXCLUDE THEM . IN OTHER WORDS, EVERYTHING, PARK FEE IS , ARRANGED FEES, YOU KNOW , I ASSUME STAFF DID A GOOD JOB ON THOSE, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO HANDLE THOSE BUILDING FEES TO LET THE COMMUNITY TAKE 
          A LOOK AT THEM. >> WE ALSO HAVE THE DEPARTMENT HERE IF YOU WOULD LIKE THEM TO SPEAK. WE HAVE THE DEPARTMENT HERE IF ANY OF THOSE WOULD HELP AS FAR AS DISCUSSING FEES WITH 
          YOU? >> MR. CHAIR, IF I COULD? 
          >> YES? >> I RECOGNIZE THIS AND GO THROUGH THE LIST THAT YOU HAVE , AND THE LIST I HAVE , AND MAYBE THEY HAVE THEIR OWN LIST . MAYBE WE CAN PUSH THIS OFF ?! HONESTLY , I SHARE THE FEELING THAT MAYBE WE HAVE NOT DONE ENOUGH TO LET THE OPPORTUNITY PUBLIC TAKE A LOOK AT THIS, MAYBE WE CAN BUTCHER TO THE FIRST OF THE YEAR OR SOMETHING LIKE THIS? GIVE US A COUPLE OF MONTHS TO DISSECT THIS? I MEAN, I AM GOING THROUGH , YOU KNOW, THERE ARE A COUPLE OF PAGES JUST ON GUN PRICING ALONE. AND TO UNDERSTAND WHAT GOES ON THERE. THAT WOULD BE MY SUGGESTION, TAKE IT OR LEAVE IT , BUT I THINK RATHER THAN PEACE MAILING THIS OUT , WHICH I'M NOT SURE IS THE MOST EFFICIENT WAY WITH TIME AND ENERGY TO LOOK AT THIS, IS TO MOVE THIS FORWARD WHETHER IT IS TO THE NEXT MEETING OR THE NEXT MEETING AFTER THAT, WHOEVER EVERYONE IS COMFORTABLE WITH LOOKING AT IT AT THE SAME TIME TO IMPLEMENT IT FOR JANUARY 1ST, UNLESS THERE IS SOME REASON THAT I DON'T KNOW THAT IT IS TIED TO OCTOBER 1ST. 
          OTHER THAN THAT, THAT THE START OF OUR FISCAL YEAR. 
          >> SO, WITH RESPECT TO IF YOUR CONCERN IS ALL RELATED TO THE COMPREHENSIVE IMPACT FEES , WHICH ARE IN THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT, OR THE MOBILITY FEES , THOSE ARE AUTOMATIC. SO, THERE'S A LOT ON THIS APPROVAL THAT IS AUTOMATIC ON THE 
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ORDINANCE ALREADY IN PLACE. SO, THOSE AUTOMATICALLY TAKE EFFECT ON OCTOBER 1ST. HE NOTICES ALREADY PUBLISHED ON THE ORDINANCE AS REQUIRED, IS JUST BEING INCLUDED HERE. SO, HOWEVER YOU WANT TO MOVE FORWARD, THOSE WOULD STILL BE 
          IN EFFECT. >> BUT THERE IS A DEADLINE FOR THE COLLECTION FEE AND DISPOSAL FEE TO GET IT ON TAX? 
          >> THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN APPROVED. THAT'S ANOTHER EXAMPLE. THAT'S BEEN APPROVED, SO THAT IS BEING PUT IN HERE , YOU KNOW, JUST FOR REFERENCE. BUT, THAT WAS ALREADY APPROVED 
          LAST TIME. >> SO, THE DELAY OF THIS PROJECT WON'T DELAY THAT ? IT'S ALREADY BEEN APPROVED? 
          WITH IMPACT FEES AND ALL? >> RIGHT. 
          >> THERE'S ALSO THE FEES AND THEREFORE THE CARTS AS WELL. 
          WHICH WAS DISCUSSED AT THE LAST BOARD MEETING. 
          >> THE CART FEES, IS THAT IN THE CONTRACT? SNOW? BUT, I MEAN, WE ARE NOT SELLING THEM. IF WE BRING THEM BACK BY OCTOBER 1ST, THAT WOULD BE OKAY. THEN IT JUST DEPENDS ON 
          YOUR TIMING. >> I DON'T THINK THE MOTION -- NOT KNOWING WHAT THE MOTION IS GOING TO BE, BUT I WANT TO BRING IT BACK OCTOBER 1ST. I WANT TO GIVE EVERYBODY A CHANCE 
          TO LOOK THIS OVER. >> THAT'S A MONTH! 
          >> THE PUBLIC. >> YEAH, BUT STILL, I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM STAFF, BECAUSE WHEN I ASK QUESTIONS OF STAFF, SOME OF THESE BUILDING FEES ARE GOING UP I, LIKE, $.20 , PER THE OUTLET FEE THAT'S GOING UP $.20 PER OUTLET . IT HAS NOT COME UP SINCE THE 90S . AND I AM A CERTAINLY, YOU KNOW, I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH WAITING , BUT TO GIVE EVERYONE A MONTH TO REVIEW THE PARKS FEES, YOU KNOW, JUSTIN CAN SPEAK TO THOSE THINGS. I AGREE ON THE GUN RANGE , THAT IS CHANGING DRASTICALLY FROM WHAT IT HAS BEEN , BUT, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT IF YOU ARE GOING TO THE GUN RANGE , THEY CAN GIVE YOU AN EXPLANATION OF THIS PIECE AS WELL. I JUST DON'T 
          KNOW -- >> JUST TO CLARIFY , IF YOU WANT IT TO PASS BY OCTOBER 1ST, WE NEED TO DO IT IN TWO WEEKS. 
          >> WELL, I WAS LISTENING TO WHAT YOU ARE ALL WERE SAYING. I JUST DON'T, AGAIN, I THINK THAT THERE IS AMPLE TIME . I MEAN, WE HAVE A WEEK TO LOOK AT OUR AGENDA. WE ARE LOOKING AT THINGS DIFFERENTLY FROM HOW WE HAVE DONE THEM IN THE PAST . 
          BUT, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THESE THINGS THAT SMACK SOME OF THESE THINGS ARE BEING PUT INTO PLACE BECAUSE THEY ARE COSTING OUR STAFF EXTRA TIME. SO, FOR INSTANCE, THE RESUBMITTAL IS ON BUILDING PERMIT THINGS ARE, YOU KNOW, IT'S CHEAPER TO HAVE OUR STAFF DO THE WORK THAN IT IS TO HAVE THEM DO THE WORK, AND THAT IS NOT FAIR TO OUR STAFF, BECAUSE THAT'S NOT THEIR JOB. 
          SO, TO HAVE A $100.00 FEE FOR A PLAN REVIEW I DON'T THINK IS EXCESSIVE. AND WE KNOW THEY ARE PASSING IT ON INTO THE PRICE OF A HOUSE. I MEAN, I DID THE MATH, AND THE BUILDING FEES COME OUT TO LESS THAN $1000.00 EXTRA FROM WHERE IT IS TODAY. 
          YOU KNOW, WHEN THE AVERAGE HOUSE IS OVER $400,000.00 IN CLAY COUNTY, WHICH IS EXCESSIVE FOR A HOUSE TO COST THAT, BUT I UNDERSTAND THAT THAT IS THE WAY OF THE WORLD TODAY , I DON'T KNOW. I MEAN, WE HAVE SOME OTHERS IN HERE THAT, LIKE, THE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH HAS FEES. A LOT OF THIS SET OF FEES IN THE FEE SCHEDULES, WE PASS IT ALONG. THE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH HAS OTHER FEES IN THERE. I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD HOLD THAT UP. BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW WE APPROVED THERE'S . 
          >> THAT'S THE PROBLEM. HOW DO YOU PARSE THIS AND STILL MAKE 
          SOME SENSE OF IT? >> THERE ARE ALSO SOME FEES THAT IF YOU WANTED TO HEAR FROM THE PLANNING OR BUILDING DEPARTMENT , AS YOU KNOW, THERE WERE SOME STATUTORY REQUIREMENTS THAT WENT INTO EFFECT OCTOBER 1ST IN THAT REVIEW, SO THERE WERE ALSO FEES ASSOCIATED WITH THAT FIRM OF DEPARTMENTS. AND WE NEED TO DO THAT BEFORE OCTOBER 1ST. 
          >> WELL THEN, I GUESS THE QUESTION IS WHY DID WE NOT GET THIS BEFORE THURSDAY OR FRIDAY OF LAST WEEK? 
          >> IT WAS ATTACHED TO THE AGENDA ON WEDNESDAY. 
          >> EVERYONE ELSE'S ON COMPUTER. I'M STILL A DINOSAUR. SO, THIS IS WHAT I GET. BY THE TIME I GET TO 
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NUMBER 28 , I HAVE LOOKED AT HUNDREDS UPON HUNDREDS OF FEES TO DISSECT THAT . I CAN GIVE YOU WEDNESDAY. I MEAN, SOME OF THESE ARE DIFFERENT. WE HAVE PAID PARKING AND OTHER PAID THINGS IN THE FEE SCHEDULE THAT WE ARE NOW CHARGING A PERCENTAGE OF THE TAKE. I THINK THAT DESERVES A LITTLE DISCUSSION BY THE BOARD BEFORE ALL OF A SUDDEN, IT GETS IMPLEMENT IT. AND YOU KNOW STAFF, I BACK STAFF 100% ALL OF THE TIME. BUT IN THIS CASE, THERE IS LITERALLY HUNDREDS IF NOT THOUSANDS OF FEES HERE. I KNOW THE COMMISSION LIKES TO BE LATE AT NIGHT. WE MAY HAVE COUNTED THEM. AND PROBABLY FOUND SOMETHING WHERE IT SHOULD NOT BE. BUT THAT IS ANOTHER STORY. BUT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE CERTAINLY HAD ENOUGH TIME BETWEEN NOW AND, WHAT IS IT, THE 24TH? IF THESE THINGS HAVE TO GET IT LIMITED BY OCTOBER 1ST, I STILL DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE CANNOT HAVE BEEN OUT AND ABOUT SOONER. I KNOW IT ALL CULMINATES AROUND THE BUDGET AND EVERYBODY HERE IN ALL OF THAT KIND OF STUFF, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, WE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THE BUDGET SINCE MAY. WE HAVE NOT BEEN TALKING ABOUT NEW INCREASED FEES UNTIL LAST WEDNESDAY. THIS IS TUESDAY. 
          QUITE HONESTLY, I CAN TELL YOU MY BOOK WAS NOT READY UNTIL FRIDAY. SO, I SPEND MY WEEKEND COMING THROUGH THE BOOK , YOU KNOW, BUT IF I DON'T SEE IT, I DON'T KNOW THE DEPTH IN THERE. 
          AT THIS POINT, TO MOVE US ALONG, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO PUSH THIS FOR A REVOTE OR VOTE COMING UP ON SEPTEMBER 24TH , AND IN THE MEANTIME , IF WE HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT CERTAIN SPECIFICS , WE CAN LEND THAT TO DEPARTMENT HEADS OR ASSISTANT COUNTY MANAGER'S OR WHOEVER HAS THE ANSWERS FOR THAT PARTICULAR PROCESS, AND THAT WE CAN MAKE A DETERMINATION WITH THE CHAIRMAN, BECAUSE IF HE IS READY AND THE COMMISSIONERS ARE READY, WE CAN MOVE WITH THE COUNTY MANAGERS TO PUT IT ON THE AGENDA FOR THE 24TH. 
          >> I WILL SECOND YOUR MOTION, BUT I WAS WONDERING IF, SINCE YOU THE PUBLIC AND I AGREE, THAT THE PUBLIC SHOULD NOT HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY, I WAS WONDERING IF WE COULD HEAR FROM FOLKS OR ANY OF THE STUFF THAT ARE HERE THAT ARE MAKING SIGNIFICANT CHANGES, IF THEY COULD JUST, YOU KNOW, KIND OF HIGHLIGHT THINGS FOR THE PUBLIC SO PEOPLE KNOW WHAT TO GO AND LOOK FOR? I THINK THAT MIGHT BE HELPFUL, SINCE IT IS HOWEVER MANY COMMISSIONER COUNTED . 800? 
          >> SO, THERE IS A MOTION ON THE FLOOR TO DELAY OR PUSH THIS ITEM TO SEPTEMBER 24TH. I THINK THAT IS WHAT THAT LONG MOTION 
          WAS ABOUT. >> WE ARE TRYING TO FIT IT ALL. 
          >> DO WE HAVE A SECOND? >> I DID SECOND IT. 
          >> YOU DID? >> YES. AND I WAS ASKING IF HE WANTED TO HEAR FROM THE STAFF TO HIGHLIGHT THE CHANGES. YEAH, SO THAT IF THE PUBLIC HAS SOMETHING THEY WANT TO GO AND LOOK AT AND COMMUNICATE WITH THEIR COMMISSIONER ABOUT, THEY CAN DO THAT IN TIME. THAT WOULD GIVE THEM TWO WEEKS . 
          >> IF THE STAFF IS WILLING TO DO THAT , THERE IS A BRIEF SYNOPSIS OF ALL OF THE CHANGES IN OUR BACKDROP. SO, IF STAFF WOULD WANT TO REVIEW THE PUBLIC'S NOTIFICATION TONIGHT, 
          THAT WOULD BE GREAT. >> WE HAVE A FEW STANDING BY, AND WE CAN START WITH JUST PARKS AND REC IF YOU WOULD LIKE, AND WE CAN GET STEVE HERE. 
          >> GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS. I HAVE COME WITH 800 CHANGES TO GET TO PARKS AND REC, AND I WILL GET TO A BRIEF SYNOPSIS OF WHAT WE WILL BE WHAT WORKING ON WITHIN OUR DEPARTMENT. ALL RIGHT THE CHANGES WE HAVE MADE IN REGARDS TO SOME OF THE FACILITIES THAT WE OPERATE WAS JUST CLARIFYING HOURS OF RENTAL TIMES. IF YOU LOOK AT OUR ATHLETIC RENOVATION TIME . OR, THEY JUST THE DAILY RENTAL, SO THERE WERE NO TIME BLOCK THAT IT AT -- PRIOR TO THAT, VERB IT WAS NOT ON THE ACTUAL FEE SCALE, BUT WE DO APPLY THAT TO IT. 
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          >> CAN I ASK YOU A QUESTION? WERE YOU CHARGING TAX ALL 
          ALONG? >> YES, SIR. IT'S JUST CHANGING OUT AND CLEARING OUT THE SCALES. 
          >> WHAT PAGE ARE YOU ON? >> I AM ON PAGE 37. I'M NOT SURE IF IT IS THE SAME FOR YOURS. 
          >> ALL OF PARKS AND REC IS 37 THROUGH 47. 
          >> THANK YOU. >> AGAIN, THAT IS JUST REASSURING OUR RENTAL TIMES FROM 8:00 A.M. TO 10:00 P.M. 
          UNLESS CAMPING IS OVERNIGHT . ADDING THAT PLUS TAX TO IT, THOSE WERE THE MAJORITY OF CHANGES WE MADE TO THAT LOCATION. AND WE ARE MOVING THE GROUP RATES FOR SWIMMING. WE HAVE A CONTRACT WITH THE YMCA, AND THIS ONE OF THE THINGS IN THE CONTRACT WERE WE HAVE NOT RENTED THAT GROUP RATE FOR SWIMMING TEENS TO COME UTILIZE A FACILITY, SO WE JUST REMOVED THAT, BECAUSE WE DID NOT HAVE THOSE RENTAL HISTORIES IN THE LAST THREE OR FOUR YEARS. WE HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT. HISTORIC TRIANGLE, IF YOU ARE ALL FAMILIAR, WE DECIDED THE WANES TRILLION MAYBE ABOUT A MONTH AGO, AND THAT DID NOT HAVE A FEE IN THE PREVIOUS FEE SCHEDULE. WHAT STAFF LOOKED AT WITH THE ENTIRE TRIANGLE, WHICH WAS THE COURTHOUSE, THE COURTYARD IN THE PAVILION, AND HAVING THAT ADDED TO ONE FEE INSTEAD OF CHARGING THE PAVILION FOR ONE FEE IN THE BUILDING FOR ANOTHER. SO, THE THOUGHT PROCESS BEHIND THAT IS USER GROUPS IN THE COURTHOUSE IS MAINLY RENTALS AND GALAS. IF YOUR RENTAL RENTING THAT INDOOR FACILITY , YOU HAVE THAT INDOOR COURTYARD AS WELL AS THAT SET FOR RENOVATIONS. GROUPING THAT INTO ONE FEE AS OPPOSED TO HAVING IT AS TWO SEPARATE FEES IS WHAT STAFF RECOMMENDATION 
          IS. >> CAN I ASK YOU A GENERAL 
          QUESTION? >> YES, SIR? 
          >> OF A FACILITY IS NOT RESERVED, IF I WANT TO GO EAT MY LUNCH AT THE PAVILION, CAN YOU DO THAT? 
          >> YES. THIS IS FOR GUARANTEED USER ONLY. 
          >> THIS IS NOT RESERVED, THE PUBLIC HAS ACCESS TO THESE 
          FACILITIES? >> YOU CORRECT, SIR. MOVING DOWN, HUNTER DOUGLAS FACILITY, AS WELL AS PRIOR SAID DAY RENTAL, NOW PUTTING A TIMESTAMP BETWEEN 8:00 A.M. TO 2:00 P.M. 
          IS THE CHANGE, AS WELL AS ADDING A MEETING FEE PRIOR TO THE ADJUSTMENTS WE MADE TO THE FEE SCHEDULE . IT RAN FOR THE ENTIRE DAY, BUT IF YOU WERE A GIRL SCOUT TROOP OR A FRATERNITY SORORITY OR A CIVIC THAT WANTED TO RENT THE FACILITY TO HAVE A MEETING, NOW WE HAVE THAT ABILITY TO CHARGE A LESSER RATE FOR MORE SPECIFIC MEETINGS AND SPACES TO WHERE PEOPLE RENTED FOR BIRTHDAY PARTIES OR A CELEBRATION TO WHERE THEY NEEDED TO SET UP AT 7:00 A.M. AND YOUR PARTY IS FROM 9:00 TO 10:00. ADDING THAT THROUGHOUT THE ACTUAL FEE SCHEDULE, HAVING THOSE HOURLY RATES FOR USERS NOT ONLY RENTING THE ENTIRE DAY, BUT JUST FOR MEETINGS. THE CIVIC CENTER THAT IS NOW IN THEIR , THERE ARE SOME DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THE FACILITY. SO, MATCHING WHAT IS CURRENTLY RESERVED IS SOMETHING THAT WE ARE PROPOSING . IN CASE THERE ARE A FEW FURTHER COMPENSATIONS TO RENT A FACILITY. THE OUTDOOR ADVENTURE PARK , PRIOR TO THE GUN RANGE, AND HAD A FEE, BUT THE OUTDOOR ADVENTURE PARK DID NOT. WE GROUP THAT INTO SEPARATE ZONES. IF THERE ARE OUTDOOR EVENTS, WE HAVE A CROSS COUNTRY RACE OUT THERE THIS PAST WEEK, BUT PRIOR TO THAT, WE DID NOT HAVE A FEE THAT WE COULD ASSESS FOR THOSE ONE-OFF TYPE OF EVENTS. I'M JUST LOOKING FOR GREEN SPACE TO HOST THOSE EVENTS. WE HAVE ADDED THAT AS WELL. AS FAR AS OUR MEMBERSHIP, WE MADE SOME ADJUSTMENTS TO THAT TO INCLUDE FAMILIES TO THAT MEMBERSHIP PACKAGE. AND THEN, PRIOR TO THIS FISCAL YEAR , THE RANGE RENTALS, IF YOU RENTED A LANE, YOU HAVE THE ENTIRE DAY. STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS TO REDUCE THAT. IF YOU RENTING LANE, YOU GET A TWO HOUR TIME BLOCK. THERE WAS SOME PROBLEMS WITH THE WAY OUR FEE SCHEDULES WERE SET UP AND MIXING FEES INTO IT. FOR INSTANCE, IF YOU WENT IN LANE ONE ON TUESDAY , AND YOU LEFT AT 1:00 P.M. , WE DID NOT HAVE THE ABILITY TO RESERVE SOMEBODY ELSE IN LANE ONE AT 2:00 P.M. OR 3:00 P.M. SO, BREAKING IT UP INTO HOURLY BLOCKS ALLOWS US TO MOVE FORWARD WITH MAXIMIZING THE USAGE OF THAT RANGE. YES, MA'AM? 
          >> I'M LOOKING AT THE OUTDOOR ADVENTURE PARK , AND I SEE THE ARCHERY RANGE, BUT I DON'T SEE WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT IN TERMS OF RENTING OUT FOR SOMETHING OUTSIDE OF THAT. 
          >> IF WE CONTINUE TO FLIP . IF YOU CONTINUE ON PAGE 43 , WHERE IT SAYS THE PARK OR RENTAL FEE IS , IT HAS THE ENTIRE GUN RANGE, AS WELL AS THE ZONES AND THE PARKING AND TICKETED EVENTS. THAT IS SOMETHING WE HAVE ADDED AS WELL. IF YOU HAVE AN ENTIRE RANGE AND CHARGING FOR PARKING, THAT ALLOWS THE COUNTY TO GO WITH PROCEEDS. WE HAVE THE REGIONAL SPORTS 
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CONCEPTS , AND IF YOU'RE HAVING TICKETED EVENTS , THE COUNTY WILL RECEIVE $500.00, OR 10% OF PARKING, WHICHEVER IS GREATER. IF YOU CONTINUE TO LOOK, YOU SEE IN ZONE B. EACH PRICE PER ACRE IS FOR THOSE DIFFERENT ZONES. THAT GOES ONTO THE TOP PAGE OF 44. PAVILIONS, WE HAVE THREE TIERS OF PAVILIONS IN OUR PARKS. PART FOX MEADOW AND LOUIS PART BEING THERE. OVER 50 INDIVIDUALS MIGHT HAVE A PAVILION ON 25. 
          SO, DURING THOSE PAVILIONS TO A FEE STRUCTURE, AND WE LOOKED AT NEIGHBORING COUNTIES AND CITIES AND WHAT THEY WERE CHARGING THE PAVILION RATES, AND MOVING MORE IN LINE TO THAT. IF YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THE BOTTOM IN THE MIDDLE OF PAGE 44, WE HAVE THREE DIFFERENT TIERS. FOX MEADOW IS AT 16. PRIOR TO THAT, IT WAS 15 FOR A FOUR HOUR TIME BLOCK. PAVILIONS FIVE AND SIX, WHICH ARE THE TWO LARGEST FOR A FOUR HOUR TIME BLOCK, AND THE SMALLER PAVILIONS AT VARIOUS PARKS, IF YOU WANT TO RENT FOR GUARANTEED USE IS $40 0484 HOUR TIME BLOCK. AGAIN, IT'S FIRST COME FIRST SERVE, BUT IF YOU HAVE A BIRTHDAY PARTY THAT YOU WANT TO PUT OUT FOUR MONTHS IN ADVANCE, WE DO HAVE THAT AVAILABILITY FOR GUARANTEED USE. BUT IF YOU HAVE A LUNCH OR PICNIC ON A TUESDAY OR WEDNESDAY , THE COUNTY WILL NOT COME OUT AND CHARGE YOU FOR THAT USAGE. BUT IF YOU WANT TO GUARANTEE AND MAKE SURE THAT NO ONE ELSE CAN OCCUPY YOUR TIME SLOT, WE DO OFFER THAT IN OUR SCHEDULE. THE FAIRGROUNDS, SOME OF THE CHANGES, AGAIN, WAS THE CHANGING THE TIME FROM 8:00 A.M. TO 10:00 P.M., EXCLUDING PENDING EVENTS THAT TAKE PLACE AT THAT LOCATION. INDIVIDUAL WRITING , WE HAVE THE EQUESTRIAN RINGS AND THE BARNES PRIOR TO THE CHANGES WE MADE OF MAKING IT MONDAY THROUGH THURSDAY. IF YOU PAY FOR AN INDIVIDUAL WRITING AND YOU COME ON A FRIDAY, AND WE HAVE AN EQUESTRIAN GROUP THAT IS SETTING UP FOR AN EVENT THAT EVENING AND LEADING INTO THE WEEKEND, THAT DID PROVIDE SOME CONFLICT MUST WE WANTED TO ENSURE THAT WE HAD A SCHEDULE AS WELL, AS YOU CAN SEE THAT ON THE TOP OF PAGE 45. THERE IS A CAVEAT IN THE FAIRGROUNDS, AGAIN, SURE ENOUGH, THAT TICKETED EVENT HAS 10% OR 500, WHICHEVER IS GREATER. CURRENTLY WHEN YOU RENT THE FACILITY, IF IT IS A TICKETED EVENT, THE COUNTY DOES NOT RECEIVE ANY PROCEEDS OR REVENUE SHARE FROM THAT. SO, THAT IS SOMETHING WE ARE PROPOSING THIS YEAR'S FEE SCHEDULE TO ALIGN WITH WHAT WE HAVE AT THE REGIONAL SPORTS COMPLEX . AGAIN, IF YOU LOOK AT SOME OF THE EXHIBIT HALL FEE IS , IS CURRENTLY DAY RENTALS ONLY. EVERYTHING WE HAD PRIOR WAS A DAY RENTAL. A LOT OF THE USER GROUPS WANTING TO RENT NOT ONLY THE FAIRGROUNDS THE MULTIPLE FACILITIES ONLY WANTED IT FOR TWO, READ, FOUR HOUR TIME BLOCK , SO WE HAVE ADDED THAT ABILITY FOR THESE USER GROUPS DO NOT JUST RENT AN ENTIRE DAY. IF YOU ONLY COME FROM A 9:00 TO 10:00 LUNCHEON , YOU WOULD RENT THAT FACILITY FOR THE ENTIRE DAY, EVEN IF YOU'RE ONLY THERE FOR TWO OR THREE HOURS. SO, THOSE ARE RECOMMENDED CHANGES THAT WE PUT FORTH FOR THE FAIRGROUNDS. PEER STATION AND HUNTER DOUGLAS, LIKE WE MENTIONED EARLIER , BOTH OF THOSE PARTS HAVE FACILITIES ON IT , BUT YOU CAN HAVE INDOOR ACTIVITIES, WHETHER IT IS A DINING EXPERIENCE OR A BIRTHDAY PARTY. BUT THERE IS ALSO AS A PARK AMENITIES FOR THE FLEX FIELD PLAYGROUNDS AND PAVILIONS AS WELL. SO, WE HAVE GROUPED THAT INTO THE SAME FEE OF 175. WHEN YOU GET THE FACILITY, YOU GET THE FACILITY AS OPPOSED TO IF YOU HAVE A BUILDING, BUT IF YOU WANT TO RENT THE BALL FIELD FOR A FAMILY KICKBALL GAME, THERE WAS A SEPARATE FEE. SO, WE JUST COMBINE THOSE TWO RENTING THE ENTIRE FACILITY. REGIONAL SPORTS COMPLEX , MOST OF THAT INFORMATION IS STILL THE SAME. 
          AND WE BROKE DOWN . IF YOU WANTED TO RENT A FIELD FOR LESS THAN A DAY'S EVENTS , WE HAVE AN HOURLY RATE TO WEAR A THREE HOUR MINIMUM IN THE FIELD HAPPENS FOR AN ENTIRE DAY. 
          AGAIN, YOU ONLY MAY NEED IT FOR ONE OR TWO GAMES, SUCH AS ADDING THAT FLEXIBILITY TO ALL OF OUR SPACES WERE USER GROUPS ONLY NEED A FACILITY FOR A COUPLE OF HOURS CONVENTION FOR A PORTION OF IT. ANY QUESTIONS? THANK YOU. 
          >> THANK YOU , JUSTIN. >> CHARISSE AND STEVE WILL BE 
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          COMING UP? AND BETH. >> IT AFTERNOON. YOU WANT ME TO 
          SIT? >> THIS IS NEEDED. 
          >> IT'S EASIER FOR ME TO STAND UP ANYWAYS. 
          >> INSTEAD, I WILL SIT, BUT I HAVE TO MOVE THIS CHAIR UP, BECAUSE JUST THOMAS IS SITTING HERE. 
          >> OKAY. SO, THE IDEA BEHIND THIS , THE PERMIT FEES WERE SET IN 1998 AT THE CURRENT LEVEL . THE PLAN REVIEW FEES WERE SET IN 2004 AT THE CURRENT LEVEL. WE ARE OPERATING NOW AT A REVENUE NEUTRAL SPOT . SO, WE WERE LOOKING TO INSTITUTE SOME INCREASES. WE GOT SEVERAL LARGE SUBDIVISIONS COMING ONLINE NEXT YEAR, AND WE WERE TRYING TO GET AHEAD OF THAT IF WE NEED TO HAVE ANY STAFFING INCREASES. AND WE DIDN'T ASK FOR THAT THIS YEAR. SO, THAT WAS PART OF THE REASON WAS LOOKING FOR THAT, WAS TO TRYING AND GET AHEAD OF THAT. IF WE DON'T NEED THE PERSONNEL , THEN THE REVENUE WILL DROP, AS WILL OUR EXPENSES. STILL GOING TO RAIN AT SOME SORT OF A NEUTRAL LEVEL. THE LICENSING FEES THAT YOU ARE SEEING ON THEIR ARE NOT NEW FEES. THEY JUST WEREN'T INCLUDED PREVIOUSLY IN THE FEE SCHEDULE. THEY WERE KIND OF BURIED. SO, WE THOUGHT IT BETTER TO PUT THEM OUT WHERE YOU COULD SEE THEM. BUT THEY ARE THE SAME FEES THAT WE HAVE BEEN CHARGING FOR 25 OR 30 YEARS THAT I HAVE BEEN HERE. ONE NEW FEE THAT THERE IS IS THAT OBLIGATION FEE . ESSENTIALLY, THAT IS A DEPOSIT ON THE DEPARTMENT. IF YOU SUBMIT YOUR PLANS, YOU PAY THE $100.00 FEE . IF HE MOVED TO THE PERMIT, THAT $100.00 FEE IS APPLIED TO YOUR PERMIT APPLICATOR TO THE ENTIRE PROCESS. SO, IT'S NOT AN ADDITIONAL $100.00, IT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT WE CAN GET PAID FOR PROCESSING THE PERMIT WHEN PEOPLE DON'T CHOOSE TO PICK THESE UP. AND IT DOES HAPPEN 
          FAIRLY OFTEN. ANY QUESTIONS? >> ANY OTHER SPECIFIC QUESTIONS THAT YOU NOTICED ON THE BUILDING FEE IS THAT WE CAN ANSWER? I MEAN, WE HAVE DONE A LOT OF RESEARCH AND COMPARED OURSELVES TO THE OTHER COUNTIES AND MUNICIPALITIES IS AROUND US. I THINK EVEN WITH THESE NEW FEE IS , WE ARE PRETTY MUCH IN THE MIDDLE , AND WE ARE REALLY JUST TRYING TO BUILD BACK UP TO WHERE WE NEED TO BE. WE HAVE NOT HAD OUR FEES RAISED IN A LONG TIME , AND IT IS COSTING MORE TO DO BUSINESS THESE DAYS. 
          SO, WE WOULD LIKE TO PAY LITTLE BIT MORE THAN REVENUE. 
          >> MR. CHAIR, IF I MAY? SO, CHARISSE, YOU HIGHLIGHTED THE NEW APPLICATION FEE IS FOR BUSINESSES. ABOUT WHERE THE CONVERSATION STARTED WITH FEES THAT ARE ALREADY BEING AND LAMENTED, THEY JUST NEEDED TO BE MODIFIED IN WRITING, WHICH IS FINE. WOULD YOU HIGHLIGHT THE NEW SIGNIFICANT FEES? 
          >> STEVE, IF YOU CAN BACK ME UP OR SAY THERE ARE OTHERS, BUT COMMISSIONER CONDON MENTIONED IT A LITTLE BIT. I THINK SOME OF THE FEES WILL CATCH PEOPLE'S EYE, THEY WERE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT, THE REINSPECTION FEE IS AFTER THE SECOND INSPECTION? A LOT OF TIMES, IT'S EASIER TO PAY THAT MINIMUM FEE FOR OUR GUYS TO GO OUT THERE AND GIVE THEM A RED TAG AND LIST THE THINGS THAT ARE WRONG. SO, WE HAVE RAISED THAT FEE, BECAUSE WE CHARGE $35.00 FOR AN INSPECTION . BUT LET'S BE HONEST. $35.00 DOES NOT COVER VEHICLE OR AN HOUR WAGE, NOR THE GAS OF TAKING THINGS OUT THERE TO DO THAT 
          INSPECTION. >> AND IT ESCALATES. EXCUSE ME. 
          THAT ESCALATION OF THAT REINSPECTION FREE FEE AND THE RECENT MIDDLE VIEW IS SPELLED OUT IN STATUTE, AND IT ACTUALLY 
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SAYS THAT WE SHALL CHARGE THAT WHEN WE HAVEN'T BEEN. BUT THAT'S HOW THE STATUTE READS TODAY. 
          >> IS NOT CAPTURED HERE OR NO? 
          >> YES, MA'AM. >> I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND, ARE YOU SAYING THAT EVERY TIME THE COUNTY HAS TO GO OUT, THAT IS WHEN THIS TAKES PLACE? OR IS THERE A PROCESS WHERE YOU'RE GOING BACK TO THE SAME SITE MULTIPLE TIMES IN A ONE TIME 
          FEE OF $200.00? >> IT WOULD BE $200.00 EVERY TIME WE GO OUT AND YOU HAVE THE SAME PROBLEM THAT YOU HAVE NOT 
          ADDRESSED. >> AFTER THE SECOND MIX. 
          >> AFTER THE SECOND PERIOD >> SO YOU HAVE BEEN OUT THERE TWICE FOR THE THIRD TIME FOR THE SAME THING. 
          >> WHEN SOMEBODY RESUBMIT SORT OF THE REVIEW , AFTER THE THIRD TIME , THAT IS A SIGNIFICANT INCREASE , IS FOUR TIMES THE INITIAL COST OF THE REVIEW FEE. 
          >> THAT THE COST OF THE SAME STATUTE. THE NEXT PARAGRAPH. 
          >> OKAY. ESSENTIALLY, AND A LOT OF TIMES, WE WILL HAVE TO RE-REVIEW THE SAME THINGS MULTIPLE TIMES. IF YOU LOOK AT OUR COMMENTS, IT TELLS YOU EXACTLY WHAT TO FIX AND WHERE TO FIX . A LOT OF PEOPLE WE WORK WITH DO IT RATHER EFFICIENTLY AND EFFECTIVELY. WE WILL GIVE OUR COMMENTS, WE SEND THEM BACK, WE GET THOSE TWO OR 27 COMMENTS, THEY WILL ADDRESS EVERY SINGLE COMMENT AND SEND IT BACK, AND THERE ARE TWO REVIEWS, AND WE WILL FINISH. THAT'S WASTING EVERYBODY'S 
          TIME. >> ANY OTHERS? 
          >> I DON'T THINK FROM A BUILDING PERSPECTIVE, BUT THE OTHERS ARE VERY SMALL INCREASES . AGAIN, WE ARE JUST TRYING TO CATCH UP TO THE TIMES AND PAY, YOU KNOW, PAY FOR THE WORK THAT WE ARE DOING. YES, MA'AM? I WILL LET BETH TALK REAL QUICKLY ABOUT SOME OF THE PLANNING ONES. BETH AND COURTNEY CAN PROBABLY TALK BETTER THAN I ABOUT THE MOBILITY FEE . I MEAN, THAT IS GOING UP PER HOUR MOBILITY FEE ORDINANCE . THAT IS AN ANNUAL REVIEW, AND WE USE THE ENGINEERING RECORD 
          EMBASSIES TO DO THAT . >> WHICH WE HAVE ALREADY 
          APPROVED. >> YES. 
          >> WELL, IT'S BY ORDINANCE. SO, YOU DON'T HAVE TO APPROVE 
          IT. >> WELL, WE DO HAVE A FEW OTHER FEES ON THE PLANNING SIDE OF THE HOUSE, WHICH COURTNEY ACTUALLY MENTIONED. THE PRELIMINARY PLAT LEGISLATION IS GOING AND TAKING PLACE OR STARTING OCTOBER 1ST , AND SOME OF THE USE FEES ARE PLANNING HAVE TO DO WITH THAT. SO, I 
          WILL LET BETH GO ON THAT. >> SO, I WILL START ON PAGE 44 . HOPEFULLY THAT MATCHES UP WITH YOURS. THE ADMINISTRATIVE WAIVER UNDER BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT AND ADMINISTRATIVE VARIANCES . IS THAT ON YOUR PAGE 44? OKAY. SO, THE FIRST ONE, THE MINISTRY WAIVER COMMERCIAL, THIS WAS FOR INCREASING AT 250. TO 250. THE RESIDENTIAL WAIVER WAS 150 UP TO 200 . IS THAT NOT WHAT YOU HAVE? IS IT 48? IT'S 44 ON MINE. SORRY. OKAY. THAT'S JUST A $50.00 INCREASE , SIMILAR TO OUR OTHER WAIVER FEES. MY 46, WHICH WOULD PROBABLY BE ABOUT YOUR 50 IS A DRC REVIEW FEE UNDER DEVELOPMENT REVIEW RELATED FEES. OKAY, THANK YOU. YES, PAGE 50, DRC . ORIGINALLY, 
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WE HAD ONE DRC FEE, THAT WAS FOR RESIDENTIAL OR COMMERCIAL . 
          WE HAVE JUST CHANGE THAT FROM THE ONE FEE OF 250 TO HAVE IT APPLY TO NONRESIDENTIAL . MOST ALL OF OUR RESIDENTIAL IS NOW IN THE GRANITE FIELD, LAKE ASBURY PLANS , WHICH WERE IN THE UPCOMING AGRICOLA. ALL OF THESE REQUIRE SIGNIFICANT REVIEW TIME, MORE SO THAN SUBDIVISIONS ARE OUT FOR THE REST OF THE COUNTY. SO, THAT IS WHY WE HAVE ADDED NEW FEES FOR DIVERSITY FOR SINGLE-FAMILY, RESIDENTIAL, AND MULTIFAMILY BY $500.00. AND THEN, WE HAVE ADDED , UNDER MAJOR DEVELOPMENT REVIEW, WE HAVE ADDED $100.00 FOR SUBMITTAL FOR SUBSTANCE SUBMITTALS. WE GET THERE ONCE, AND THEN HAVING ADDITIONAL SUBMITTAL TO GO WITH THAT AGAINST A FEE IF YOU NEED TO RESUBMIT AGAIN. THAT'S $100.00, AND THAT SIMILAR TO WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO BE CONSISTENT BETWEEN FOR OUR MAJOR DEVELOPMENT REVIEWS AND WRITER DEVELOPMENT REVIEWS. SO, YOU WILL SEE THAT THROUGHOUT. ON PAGE 51, WE HAVE A PLAT REVIEW . 50% BUILDOUT INCLUDES ONE RESUBMITTAL . THIS IS FOR THE 50% FOR THEY CAN SUBMIT 50% OF THE PERMITS ON A PRELIMINARY PLAT. WE ALSO HAVE THAT FEE DOWN THERE BELOW AT 750, BUT BECAUSE WE WERE GOING TO HAVE SOMEBODY COME IN WITH THIS PROCESS , THEY COULD POTENTIALLY BE COMING IN UNDER PULMONARY PLAT, AND WE NEED TO SPEND A GOOD DEAL OF TIME PREPARING THE PLENARY PLAT TO THE FINAL PLAT THAT YOU WOULD ADOPT. SO WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE IS CONSISTENCE IN THERE. AGAIN, WE HAVE ADDED THE $100.00 PER SUBMITTAL TO BE CONSISTENT THROUGHOUT OUR PROCESS. THAT IS ALSO ON PAGE 51. BUT THAT IS IT FOR THE PLANNING ONES, UNLESS I'M MISSING ANYTHING. DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THESE? 
          >> THANK YOU. >> THEN YOU HAVE YOUR ZONING 
          FEE ? >> I AM SORRY. 
          >> YOU ADDED YOUR VOTING PERMIT ADDRESS AND FEE? 
          >> OH, YES. I AM GLAD YOU CAUGHT THAT. WE CURRENTLY DO NOT CHARGE ANYTHING FOR ADDRESSING OF EACH RESIDENTIAL LOT. AND THAT IS WITH HIS NEW 50% PROCESS THAT WILL ALSO TAKE SOME TIME, BECAUSE THERE WILL NOT BE AN ADDRESS SO THERE WILL NOT BE A PARCEL TO TIE TO THIS PERMIT AND THIS LOTS IN THIS HOUSE GOING IN, SO THERE WILL BE SUBSTANTIAL REVIEW. THAT IS WHY WE HAVE ADDED THAT FEE. YOU KNOW, TO COVER THEIR TIME. AND THEN, THE RESIDENTIAL LOT, AS BILLED REVIEW OF $65.00, THAT IS BECAUSE WHEN CURRENTLY RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE FOR A BUILDING PERMIT, YOU SUBMIT A SITE PLAN WHERE ENGINEERING SHOWS ALL OF THAT. THAT'S THE BEGINNING OF THE PROCESS. THEN FOR YOUR CO, YOU SUBMIT ANOTHER SITE PLAN . ESSENTIALLY IT'S A SURVEY THAT SHOWS YOUR LANDSCAPING , YOUR FINISH FLOOR ELEVATION, YOUR SITE ELEVATIONS . ALSO SHARE YOUR SETBACKS. SO, WE HAVE THIS NEW PROCESS AND THINGS ARE BEING BUILT BASED ON PLENARY PLAT , WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WHEN IT COMES IN FOR FINAL CO THAT THE SETBACKS ARE RIGHT IN RELATION TO THE PROPERTY LINE ON THE SECOND REVIEW. THAT IS WHY WE HAVE THE $65.00 SEE, BECAUSE WE HAVE THIS ADDITIONAL REVIEW OF BUYERS TO LOOK AT 
          THAT. >> ANY QUESTIONS FOR BETH? HEATHER HUFFMAN IS COMING UP. WHILE SHE IS COMING UP , COURTNEY WILL ADDRESS IMPACT FEES . 
          >> SO, THE FEES LISTED UNDER PLANNING ON PAGE 48, ALL OF THE COMPREHENSIVE IMPACT FEES THAT GO FOR PAGE 48 AND 49, AGAIN, THOSE ARE DONE IN CONDITION TO THE TERMS OF THE ORDINANCE, WHICH WAS THE 1.51% RATE INCREASE , AND THEN LIKEWISE, ON PAGE 53 THROUGH 63? ACTUALLY THROUGH 65 , THOSE ARE THE MOBILITY FEES, AND THOSE ARE OUT OF MEDICALLY ADJUSTED AS 
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          WELL AT THE 1.51% >> SO, FOR THE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH, WE JUST HAD A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT NEEDED TO BE CLARIFIED. ONE CLARIFYING THE 680, IS AT THE SCORE REQUIREMENT FORM OR THE HEALTH IMMUNIZATION REQUIRED BY A FLORIDA STATUTE ? SO, WE NEED TO CLEAR THAT LANGUAGE UP. WE ARE GETTING IT FROM IT IS AMOUNT OF FORMS THAT NEED TO BE FILLED OUT FOR OTHER INDIVIDUALS JUST TRYING TO COMPENSATE WHERE WE HAVE TODAY PROVIDERS OFF-LINE AND WE HAVE COMPLETE FORMS FOR COLLEGES AND WORKERS COMP, THOSE KINDS OF 
          THINGS. ANY QUESTIONS? >> AND YOU HAVE A NEW PHONE 
          NUMBER IN THERE. >> WE HAVE A NEW PHONE NUMBER. 
          YES. I DID NOT NOTICE THAT. >> IT WAS ANNOYING ME, SO I SAW 
          IT. >> OH! YOU DON'T CALL 
          YOURSELF. >> THANK YOU. 
          >> CHAIRMAN, I THINK WE HAVE ONE MORE, IT WAS THE BOARD SEES ANOTHER? CHARLIE WILL COME UP AND ADDRESS THE COURT FEE IS, AND HE WILL GIVE YOU THE PAGE HERE. I BELIEVE THE PAGE IS 
          PAGE 27 THROUGH 28. >> GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIR AND COMMISSIONERS . THIS WILL BE PRETTY BRIEF THIS EVENING. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE SOLID WASTE FEES AND THE COST OF THE SECOND CAMP. FIRST OFF, THE ASSESSMENTS REFER TO ASSOCIATED AS ALWAYS , ONE IS FORGOTTEN AND ONE IS FOR DISPOSAL. LAST YEAR, THE TOTAL WAS THREE AND $24.00 PER YEAR . THIS YEAR WITH THE INCREASE, IT WOULD BE $358.00 PER YEAR. FOR THOSE AND THAT ASSESSMENT WOULD COVER THE SERVICE TO THAT FOR A YEAR. IF ANYBODY WOULD LIKE A SECOND CAMP, THERE ARE TWO CANS AVAILABLE , 95 GALLON CANS FOR $65.00 FOR A ONE-TIME FEE, OR A 65 GALLON CAN WOULD BE $61.00 FOR A ONE-TIME LEASE FEE. WHO IS IN CHARGE $5.00 11 PER MONTH FOR AS LONG AS THEY WANTED TO MAINTAIN THAT SERVICE. THAT IS THE PRICING. 
          >> ANY QUESTIONS FOR CHARLIE? THANK YOU. 
          >> THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. 
          >> MR. CHAIRMAN, I THINK WE HAVE COVERED MOST OF THE AREAS. 
          SOME WERE KIND OF AUTOMATIC, SOME WERE LENGTHY IN TIME OF WHEN THEY HAVE BEEN RAISED. WE WILL PREPARE IT AND BE READY ON THE 24TH. I DON'T THINK WITH STAFF TALKING, I DON'T THINK WE NEEDED ANYTHING SPECIFIC FOR TODAY , BUT WE NEED BY THE END OF THE MONTH. IMPACTS WOULD HAPPEN TO US WITH REGARDS OF THE BUDGET, BUT WE SHOULD BE OKAY, AND WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO 
          BRING IT BACK ON THE 24TH. >> DO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A 
          SECOND? >> WE HAD A MOTION AND A SECOND, BUT WE NEED ANOTHER ONE. SO, ONE OF MY CONCERNS WAS TRANSPARENCY TO THE PUBLIC. SO, I THINK TWO WEEKS IS ENOUGH. 
          THE MOTION WAS TO BRING IT BACK ON THE 24TH AND SECONDED. ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, OR CONCERNS? HEARING ON. ALL THOSE 
          IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE? >> AYE. 
          >> AYE. >> AYE. 
          >> ALL THOSE OPPOSED? A. IT'S WELL PAST 5:00 P.M. SO WE WILL TALK ABOUT ITEMS NUMBER 36 THROUGH 42 NOW , AND IN THERE ARE SOME ZONING CHANGES. SO, IF YOU INTEND TO SPEAK AT ANY OF THE PUBLIC HEARINGS ON ZONING CHANGES , WE NEED TO SWEAR YOU IN, SO LET'S DO THAT NOW, AND IF YOU COULD CONGREGATE TOWARDS THE CENTER AISLE HERE SO WE CAN GET YOU ALL ON CAMERA, AND I WILL OUR CLERK WILL INDUCT A SWEARING-IN. 
          >> JUST YOU? >> JUST FRANK? 
          >> IT'S FRANK! A LOT OF PRESSURE FOR HIM! 
          >> I SOLEMNLY SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE TESTIMONY THAT YOU 
          [36.  Public Hearing to consider Proposed Assessment Resolution authorizing and adopting a Non-Ad Valorem Special Assessment within the County Limits for the purpose of benefiting Assessed Properties through Enhanced Medicaid Payments for Local Services (Hospitals Only), and approval of Directed Payment Program Letter of Agreement (C. Grimm)]
WILL GIVE WILL BE THE WHOLE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH SO HELP YOU GOD? THANK YOU, SIR. 
          >> OKAY. BEFORE US AS I NUMBER 36, PUBLIC HEARING PROPOSE ASSESSMENT FOR A HEARING AND ADOPTING A NON-AD VALOREM SPECIAL ASSESSMENT WITH THE COUNTY LIMITS FOR THIS PURPOSE OF BENEFITING ASSESSED PROPERTY THROUGH ENHANCED MEDICAID PAYMENTS FOR LOCAL SERVICES, AND APPROVAL OF DIRECT PAYMENT PROGRAM LETTER OF AGREEMENT . MAYBE COURTNEY CAN EXPLAIN THIS 
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          ITEM? I DON'T UNDERSTAND. >> YES. THIS IS A SPECIAL ASSESSMENT THAT HAS BEEN IN EFFECT FOR PROBABLY THE LAST THREE OR FOUR YEARS, AND SPECIFICALLY, IT IS FOR ASSESSMENTS FOR ASCENSION ST. VINCENT HOSPITAL OR MEDICAL CENTER . I KNOW THAT IN THE PAST, YOU HAVE ASKED ABOUT BAPTIST HOSPITALS, BUT BAPTIST WILL BE HANDLED SEPARATELY TO THE DEUEL COUNTY REGION IN CONNECTION WITH THE MAIN DOWNTOWN BAPTIST. SO, THESE ARE THE THREE HOSPITALS THAT ARE WITHIN CLAY COUNTY. THEY HAVE ALL ASKED TO PARTICIPATE AS PART OF THE SPECIAL ASSESSMENT, WHICH THEY WILL GET ASSESSED, AND PAY THE MONEY, WHICH THEN GOES TO THE STATE, AND THEN 
          THEY RECEIVE FEDERAL MONIES. >> OKAY. I WILL TAKE A MOTION. 
          >> PUBLIC HEARING. >> PUBLIC HEARING, SORRY. WE WILL DO A PUBLIC HEARING NOTION FOR THE HOSPITALS FOR NON-AD VALOREM SPECIAL ASSESSMENT . I DON'T HAVE ANY CARDS AND SEEING NONE. I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. SORRY ABOUT 
          THAT. >> MR. CHAIR, I WILL MAKE A 
          MOTION . >> SECOND. 
          >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY COMMENTS? QUESTIONS? CONCERNS? I'M HEARING NONE. ALL THOSE IN 
          FAVOR, SAY AYE? >> AYE. 
          >> AYE. >> AYE. 
          [37.  5:05 p.m. or as soon thereafter as can be heard - First Public Hearing - Adoption of Tentative Millage and Budget for FY 2024/2025]
          >> ALL THOSE OPPOSED? >> AYE. 
          >> THAT MOVES 4-1. THE FIRST PUBLIC HEARING ON ADOPTION OF ATTENDANCE FOR TENTATIVE MILLAGE AND BUDGET OF FY 
          2024-2025. >> THANK YOU. THIS IS OUR FIRST PUBLIC HEARING FOR TENTATIVE MILLAGE AND BUDGET FOR YOUR 2024-2025. I WENT OUT DEFINED THE TERM PROCESS. -- COMMONLY REFERRED TO AS PROOF AND MILLAGE. IT SETS FORTH SPECIFIC GUIDELINES TO THE CALCULATION AND ADOPTION OF THE MILLAGE RATE AND THE AVERAGE PRIVILEGE -- TO DO PUBLIC HEARINGS ARE NEEDED TO ADOPT THE PUBLIC RATE. THIS WAS ADVERTISED IN THE NOTICE OF PROPOSED PROPERTY TAXES AND TRIM NOTICE, THOSE MAILED OUT BY THE PROPERTY APPRAISER'S OFFICE. THE TRIM PROCESS REQUIRES THAT THE FIRST SUBSTANTIAL ISSUE DISCUSSED SHELBY THE PERCENTAGE INCREASE IN MILLAGE OVER THE ROLLBACK RATES NECESSARY TO FUND THE BUDGET AND THE PURPOSES FOR WHICH AD VALOREM TAX REVENUES ARE INCREASED OVER THE ROLLBACK RATES. THE FISCAL YEAR 2024-2025 AGGREGATE OPERATIVE OPERATING MILLAGE RATE IS 8.3766 MILLS , WHICH IS MORE THAN THE CURRENT AGGREGATE ROLLBACK RATES OF 7.8790 MILLS BY 6.32%. THE PROPOSED OPERATING MILLAGE RATES ARE BROKEN DOWN AS FOLLOWS. COUNTY SERVICES 5.5471 MILLS . 
          UNINCORPORATED SERVICES MSTU FUNDS, 0.1477 MILLS. LAW ENFORCEMENT MSTU TAX FOR FUND, 2.4014 MILLS. FIRE CONTROL MSU ATTACK EIGHT FUND, 0.508 ONE . LAKE ASBURY , ZERO MILLS. 
          CHALLENGER CENTER MSTU, 3.0 MILLS. REVENUES, INCLUDING ESTIMATED CASH CARRIED FORWARD, HAS BEEN UPDATED TO REFLECT THE MOST CURRENT AVAILABLE INFORMATION. THE CLAY COUNTY BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS MUST APPROVE THREE SEPARATE RESOLUTIONS AS PART OF THIS PUBLIC HEARING. THE FIRST RESOLUTION ADOPTS THE TENTATIVE MILLAGE RATE FOR FISCAL YEAR 2024-2025 FOR THE CLAY COUNTY BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS. 
          THE SECOND RESOLUTION ADOPTS THE TENTATIVE BUDGETS FOR CLAY COUNTY BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS AND THE LAKE AS VERY MSP FOR FISCAL YEAR 2024-2025. THE THIRD AND FINAL RESOLUTION, AS REQUIRED BY SECTION 893.165 , PARAGRAPH SIX OF THE 40 STATUTES, DESIGNATES CLAY BEHAVIORAL HEALTH CENTER INC. IS THE RECIPIENT OF THE COUNTY, ALCOHOL, AND OTHER DRUG ABUSE TRUST FUND FOR FISCAL YEAR 2024-2025 . CHAIRMAN, OVER 
          TO YOU. >> THANK YOU. I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. I DON'T HAVE ANY CARDS ON THIS CLOSED BUDGET AD VALOREM TAX RATE . DOES ANYONE WISH TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION? PLEASE COME FORWARD. I AM SEEING NONE AND 
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HEARING NONE. I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. 
          >> MR. CHAIR, I THINK IT IS VALUABLE TO REMIND THE PUBLIC THAT WE ARE NOT PROPOSING ANY AD VALOREM TAX INCREASE FOR 
          2024-2025. >> I WILL TAKE A MOTION ON THE FIRST RESOLUTION, WHICH ADOPTS TENTATIVE MILLAGE RATE FOR FISCAL YEAR 2024-2025 FOR BLIDH CLAY COUNTY BOARD OF COUNTY 
          COMMISSIONERS. >> I MOVE FOR APPROVAL. 
          >> SECOND. >> WE HAVE A MOTION IN A SECOND. AS ALLUDED TO , WE WILL RETAIN THE SAME RATE THAT WE HAD LAST YEAR. THERE IS NO INCREASE. SO, ANY COMMENTS, QUESTIONS, OR CONCERNS? COMMISSIONER? I AM HEARING NONE. I HAVE A MOTION IN A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, 
          PLEASE SAY AYE? >> AYE. 
          >> AYE. >> AYE. 
          >> ALL THOSE OPPOSED? I AM HEARING NONE. THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. THE SECOND IS FOR THE LAKE ASBURY FISCAL YEAR 
          2024-2025. >> I MOVE TO APPROVE. 
          >> OKAY. I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE THE BUDGET. 
          IT'S QUITE AN EXTENSIVE BUDGET. I MEAN, WE TALKED ABOUT REVIEWING THE FEE SCHEDULE, BUT WITH THE BUDGET, THERE'S EVEN MORE IN DEPTH. THIS CONCLUDES A LOT OF NEW ELEMENTS TO OUR BUDGET THAT WE NORMALLY DON'T BUDGET FOR ANY FIRE STATION AS SUCH. SO, WE HAVE A MOTION IN A SECOND TO APPROVE THE BUDGET FOR 2024-2025? ANY COMMENTS, QUESTIONS, OR CONCERNS? I AM HEARING NONE. ALL OF THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE? 
          >> AYE. >> AYE. 
          >> AYE. >> ALL OPPOSED? SEEING NONE. 
          THAT PASSES INTIMACY. THIRD AND FINAL IS IN PARAGRAPH SIX OF FLORIDA STATUTES, DESIGNATING CLAY BEHAVIORAL HEALTH CENTER INCORPORATED OF THE RECIPIENT COUNTY ALCOHOL AND OTHER DRUG TRUST FUND FOR FISCAL YEAR 2024-2025. 
          >> SO MOVED. >> I HAVE A MOTION. 
          >> SECOND. >> IN A SECOND. ONCE AGAIN, CLAY BEHAVIORAL HAS BEEN THE DESIGNATED FACILITY FOR MANY YEARS . MORE YEARS THAN I CAN REMEMBER. ANY COMMENTS, QUESTIONS, OR CONCERNS ON THIS MOTION OR SECOND? ALL THOSE IN 
          FAVOR, SAY AYE? >> AYE. 
          >> AYE. >> AYE. 
          >> ALL OPPOSED? I AM SEEING NONE. THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. 
          SO, THE BOARD, LET'S SEE . THIS IS A FIRST PUBLIC HEARING . SO, THE SECOND PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE THE SECOND PUBLIC HEARING RECOMMENDED FOR SEPTEMBER 24TH, 2024 AT 5:405 P.M. ON THE FOURTH FLOOR OF 477 HOUSTON STREET IN FLORIDA. 
          OKAY. SO, THAT'S THE NEXT MOTION I WOULD SHARE. 
          >> SO MOVED. >> SECOND. 
          >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO SET THE DATE AND TIME FOR THE FINAL HEARING OCTOBER 24TH, 5:05 P.M. AT THIS LOCATION. ANY COMMENTS, QUESTIONS, OR CONCERNS? 
          >> THIS MOTION, MR. CHAIR, INC. WITH THE AUTHORIZATION OF THE 
          COUNTY MANAGER TO ADVERTISE . >> THAT IS CORRECT. DO THAT. 
          ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE? 30 
          >> AYE. >> AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED? I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING HERE. 
          [38.  Final Public Hearing to consider adoption of COMP 24-0008 and ZON 24-0013. (District 5, Comm. Burke) (D. Selig)]
          >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. >> I DON'T NUMBER 38, FINAL PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER THE ADOPTION COMP 24-0008 AND ZONE 
          24-0013. >> THANK YOU. OKAY. THIS IS A SMALL SCALE COPPERHEADS OF PLAN AMENDMENT AND A REZONING APPLICATION . THE APPLICANT IS FRANK MILLER, AND THE PROPERTY IS AT THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF SAND RIDGE ROAD. THIS IS IN THE LINK AS VERY PLANNING DISTRICT , WHICH IS COMMISSIONER PARKS DISTRICT . THE COMPANY PLANS AMENDMENT ACTION WHICH CHANGES THE FUTURE LAND USE FOR TWO PORTIONS OF THIS PROPERTY. ONE 
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PIECE, ONE PARCEL , THAT WILL CHANGE 12.74 ACRES FROM LAKE AS VERY VILLAGE CENTER TO LAKE AS VERY MASTER PLAN COMMUNITY. IN ANOTHER 12.74 ACRE PORTION OF THE SAME PARCEL WOULD MAKE THE OPPOSITE CHANGE GOING FROM LAKE ASBURY MASTER PLAN COMMUNITY TO LAKE AS VERY VILLAGE CENTER. AND THERE IS A COMPANION REZONING APPLICATION THAT IS PART OF THIS THAT DOES THE EXACT SAME THING TO THE EXACT SAME PORTIONS OF THE PARCEL , BUT CHANGES THE ZONING DESIGNATION TO HAVE THE SAME LABELS AS THE FUTURE LAND USE. NEXT SLIDE? ON THE LEFT IS THE MAP, AND ON THE RIGHT, WE HAVE THE AERIAL SHOWING THESE TWO PORTIONS . THEY'RE BOTH THE SAME, AS THEY SAID. 12.74 ACRES , AND PUT IN THAT AFFECT IS A MOVE ON THE SAME PARCEL OF THE LAND USE DESIGNATION. SO, ON THE LEFT IS -- ACTUALLY, IF YOU CAN GO TO THE NECK SLIDE FOR ME? SO, ON THE LEFT IS THE EXISTING FUTURE LAND USE , AND YOU CAN SEE THE PINK COLOR IS THE VILLAGE CENTER , AND THE BROWN COLOR IS THE MASTER PLAN COMMUNITY DESIGNATION. ON THE RIGHT IS THE PROPOSED CHANGE WHERE THEY ARE JUST FLOPPING. IT IS A SWAP ESSENTIALLY. 
          BECAUSE NO ACREAGE CHANGE REALLY TAKES PLACE WITH THIS. 
          IT DOESN'T AFFECT THE MORATORIUM , SO THAT IS NOT A FACTOR. SO, THE SLIDE IS THE ZONING. AND OF THE COLORS ARE DIFFERENT, BUT IT IS THE EXACT SAME PORTIONS AND SAME PARCEL AND MAKING THE SAME CHANGE. APPLICATIONS WERE NOTICE TO THE PUBLIC THROUGH SIGNAGE AND MAILING . THERE IS NO SPECIFIC SITE DEVELOPMENT PLAN PROPOSED AT THIS TIME. THIS IS MORE OF A PREPARATORY ACTION. THE LAKE ASBURY CITIZEN ADVISORY COMMITTEE UNTO 13TH , THEY VOTED 6-02 APPROVE . AND ALSO, TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL FOR BOTH OF THE APPLICATIONS , THE BOARD HAS CONTINUED TO DECIDE A COUPLE OF TIMES MOST RECENTLY ON THE 13TH OF AUGUST. THEY ARE HERE THIS EVENING , AND STAFF HAS LOOKED AT THE CRITERIA FOR BOTH THE CONFERENCE OF PLAN AND REZONING ACTION AND RECOMMENDS APPROVAL. THE APPLICANT IS HERE 
          FOR YOU TO SEE THEM. >> THANK YOU. THANK YOU, THERE WAS VERY GOOD. AS DODIE EXPLAINS, REALLY THIS IS JUST MOVING A PIECE OF VILLAGE CENTER OVER TO ONE SIDE, AND MOVING THE MASTER PLAN COMMUNITY THAT DESIGNATION TO WHERE IT WAS. THE PRIMARY REASON FOR THIS IS THERE IS A BIG POND OVER ON THE MASTER PLAN COMMUNITY PARCEL THAT IS ACTUALLY PART OF THE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT , WHICH IS MORE TO THE SOUTH. AND THIS IS TO MAKE USE OF A LARGER, USABLE PARCEL OR VILLAGE CENTER , AND I BELIEVE IT'S THROUGH THE SITE PLAN, THAT WOMEN ARE A SITE PLAN I HAVE SEEN THAT SHOWS FOR A GROCERY STORE . AND I SHOULD MENTION THE REASON FOR THE DELAY WAS THAT THERE WAS AN ISSUE WITH THE RIGHT-OF-WAY FOR FEED MILL ROAD , AND JUST TONIGHT IN YOUR CONSENT AGENDA, YOU APPROVED THAT WE MEMORANDUM THE UNDERSTANDING, THAT WILL TAKE CARE OF THAT. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, AND THIS SHOULD OPEN THINGS THAT YOU SEE. THIS SHOULD NOT BE A REAL BRAIN DRAIN , BUT I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. 
          >> ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? 
          >> I HAVE QUESTIONS, FRANK. I WILL BE YOUR BRAIN DRAIN. SO, I AM CONCERNED ABOUT TRAFFIC ON FEE MILLER ROAD. SO, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT IT WILL BE RESIDENTIAL. IS THAT RIGHT? 
          >> AS OF RIGHT NOW. >> YEAH. SO, IF IT IS COMMERCIAL AND TURNING OFF OF SANDRIDGE , WHERE THE ORIGINAL PARCEL IS , AND THEN GOING TO THIS ONE, JUST LOOKING AT THE GEOMETRY OF THE PARCEL , I WILL GUESS THAT THEY WILL HAVE THEIR 
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ENTRANCE TURNING IN , AND THEN TURN INTO THE SHOPPING CENTER . 
          >> I THINK I HAVE SEEN THE ACCESS ON SANDRIDGE. BUT, IT WOULD NOT SURPRISE ME IF THEY HAVE ACCESS OF STEVE MILLER. 
          ONE OF THE THINGS THE COUNTY HAS KIND OF SUPPORTED IS GETTING PEOPLE OFF THE MAIN TRANSPORTATION ROADS SO THERE IS NOT A LOT OF STOP AND GO, STOP AND GO. THAT HAS THEM, TO SANDRIDGE INTO GOOGLE AFTERNOON AND THEN COME BACK IN IS A LOT OF WASTED TRAFFIC. I DON'T KNOW. I HAVE NOT SEEN THE SITE PLAN. JUST TRY TO PUSH ALONG THE QUESTIONS. 
          >> THE OTHER CONCERN FOR ME IS IF THAT IS MASTER PLAN COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL -- OKAY, IF YOU ARE BUILDING HOMES , THAT IS PUTTING A LOT MORE HOMES RIGHT UP AGAINST THE 
          EXPRESS LANE. >> WELL, THERE IS A BIG POND 
          THERE THAT TAKES IT UP. >> I HAVE SEEN IT. IS NOT A 
          POND, THAT IS THE LAKE. >> WELL, THAT IS WHERE THAT IS. 
          >> I MEAN, IT'S HUGE, BUT I DON'T KNOW. IT JUST SEEMS TO ME THAT THEY ARE TREATING WHERE THEY CAN PUT COMMERCIAL TODAY. 
          THEY ARE TRAINED TO TREAT UP ? 
          >> WELL, THEY COULD HAVE PUT RESIDENTIAL OVER THERE BEFORE . 
          THE HIGHER INTENSITY RESIDENTIAL CENTER, THAT WASN'T THE WAY THAT THEY SOUGHT TO DEVELOP THE PARCEL. 
          INCLUDING NOT ONLY THE FRONTAGE, BUT EVERYTHING TO THE 
          SOUTH PROPERTY. >> ALL RIGHT. I'M WILLING TO LISTEN TO YOU ALL. I'M NOT LOVING THIS, BUT I HAVE NOT LOVED IT SINCE IT FIRST CAME UP. 
          >> WELL, STEVE MILONE HOPEFULLY ONE DAY BE PAID. WE DON'T KNOW WHEN, BUT THAT IS A MAJOR CUT THROUGH TO GET TRAFFIC OFF THE ROAD. SO, OF COURSE, I AM ROOTING FOR A VERY SOON, BUT WE DON'T HAVE IT YET. OF COURSE, THE GROCERY STORE IDEA, WHICH WILL BE A WONDERFUL AREA , I AM OKAY WITH THIS. I AM IN FAVOR OF IT. I'M ACTUALLY GLAD TO NOT BE SEEING IT COME ACROSS OUR AGENDA AGAIN. BUT, I THINK IT WOULD BE OKAY. 
          >> AND THIS COULD POSSIBLY HELP SPEED THAT ALONG? WE SUFFER 
          SECTION? >> I THINK SO. YEAH. 
          >> OKAY. >> ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? OKAY, THANK YOU, FRANK. 
          >> THANK YOU. >> I WANT TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. DON'T HAVE ANY PUBLIC CARDS FOR THIS ISSUE, BUT IF THERE'S SOMEONE OUT THERE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ISSUE? NOW IS THE TIME? SAME SEEING NONE AND HEARING THEN. I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC. LET'S BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMISSION. 
          >> I MOVE TO APPROVE. >> DO WE NEED TWO VOTES OR ONE? 
          >> STILL TWO. >> OKAY. 
          >> SECOND. >> SO THE COMP PLAN, MOVE FOR APPROVAL COMP PLAN, WE HAVE A MOTION IN AN APPROVAL ON THE COMP PLAN 24-0008? COMMENTS, QUESTIONS, CONCERNS? ALL IN 
          FAVOR, SAY AYE? >> AYE. 
          >> AYE. >> AYE. 
          >> ALL OPPOSED? THAT IS PASSED UNANIMOUSLY. NOW, I NEED A 
          MOTION ON 24-00 13? >> I MOVED TO PROVE. 
          >> SECOND. >> I HAVE A MOTION IN A SECOND TO MOVE ZONE 24-0013. ANY, FOR DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, 
          SAY AYE? >> AYE. 
          >> AYE. >> AYE. 
          >> ALL THOSE OPPOSED? I AM HEARING NONE. THAT PASSES 
          [39.  First Public Hearing to consider COMP 24-0019 (Transmittal of the EAR Amendment) (D. Selig)]
UNANIMOUSLY. ITEM NUMBER 39 IS THE FIRST PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER COMP PLAN 24-0019 , TRANSMITTAL OF EA ARE . 
          >> YES. THIS ITEM IS , AS YOU SAID, A CONFERENCE OF PLAN AMENDMENT . IT STANDS FOR EVALUATION OF APPRAISAL REPORT. 
          THIS IS A STATES DIRECTED PROCESS . THE STATE REQUIRES THAT EVERYBODY IN THE GOVERNMENT UPDATE THEIR CONFERENCE OF PLAN EVERY SEVEN YEARS. THIS IS OUR TIME SLOT. 
          THE AMENDMENT WILL NEED TO BE TRANSMITTED BEFORE THE FIRST OF 
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OCTOBER. YOU MAY REMEMBER LAST YEAR THAT WE SENT TO THE STATE A LETTER OF INTENT, A NOTICE OF INTENT . WE DID THAT, AGAIN, THERE WAS A DEADLINE OF LAST YEAR STATING THAT WE WOULD BE ADDRESSING ANY BEHAVIORS THAT WE NEED TO BE MAKING TO OUR CONFERENCE OF PLAN WITHIN ONE YEAR , AND THAT WHEN YEAR IS MEETING THIS OCTOBER 1ST. THE PROCESS IS THAT WE TRANSMIT THIS TO THE STATE . IT'S CALLED A STATE COORDINATOR REVIEW PROCESS. THEY SEND IT TO OTHER STATE AGENCIES AND SEND THEM TO LOCAL COMMUNITIES AS WELL. THE REVIEW, THEY HAVE 60 DAYS , THEY WILL SEND BACK WHAT IS CALLED WELL AT WORK, WITH HIS SUGGESTIONS AND RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE REPORT , AND THEN THE STUFF WILL DIGEST WHAT THEY HAVE PROVIDED US , MAKE ANY CHANGES OR UPDATES FOR WHAT WE NEED TO DO, AND BRING IT BACK TO PROBABLY WHAT I WOULD SAY AS JANUARY TO BE A GOOD ESTIMATION . DORI, YOU WILL SEE IT AGAIN, AND THAT WILL BE THE FINAL ADOPTION PROCESS. SO, TINNITUS IS TRANSMITTAL, AND THEN WE WILL GET THE FINAL VERSION AND BRING IT BACK TO ADOPTION. SO, FOR THE PUBLIC WHAT IS REALLY WITH THIS PROCESS AND MAY HAVE SOME CONCERNS, I WANTED TO START WITH WHAT WE ARE NOT CHANGING BY THIS AMENDMENT. NONE OF THE TEXT AMENDMENTS THAT ARE PROPOSED, AND THEN OF THE MAP AMENDMENTS THAT ARE PROPOSED AFFECTS ANYONE'S PROPERTY. SO, NO DENSITY OR INTENSITY CHANGES. THERE IS NOTHING IN THE FUTURE LAND USE. WE WILL BE CHANGING THE MAPS TO UPDATE THE DATE ON ALL OF THE MAPS, AND THE ONE THAT HAS A SMALL CHANGING ON IT. THE PLAN REVIEW IS FOR A COUPLE OF CATEGORIES AND THINGS WE HAD TO LOOK AT. THE FIRST BEING STATUTORY CHANGES. SO, THE LAST UPDATE OF THE CONFERENCE PLAN WAS 2017. 
          WE LOOK AT ALL OF THE LAWS THAT HAVE PASSED IN THAT TIMEFRAME FROM 2017 TO 2024, AND IDENTIFY ANYTHING THAT NEEDS TO BE CHANGED WITHIN THE COMP PLAN BASED ON THOSE NEW LAWS. AND IN ANY LOCAL BASE CHANGES , ANY CHANGES THAT THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT FEELS LIKE NEEDS TWEAKING , THESE ARE NOT -- WELL, I WAS PLAIN IN DETAIL IN A SECOND. STATUTORY CHANGES, THERE WERE FOUR THAT WE FOUND THAT NEEDED TO BE ADDRESSED. 
          FIRST IS BUILDING DESIGN ELEMENTS, THAT IS KIND OF LIKE ARCHITECTURAL REQUIREMENTS. WE DON'T ACTUALLY HAVE IT IN THE CODE, BUT IT WAS A GRAY AREA , SO WE PROVIDED A CHANGE TO THAT. GOVERNMENTS COULD NOT IMPOSE ARCHITECTURAL REQUIREMENTS FOR SINGLE-FAMILY OR DUPLEXES UNLESS IT WAS IN A PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT THAT WAS APPROVED BEFORE LAST JULY , THE FIRST OF 2023. THE NEXT PUTTING SOLAR FACILITIES. SO, WE LOOK AT THOSE AND MEET SOME RECOMMENDATIONS TO PUT THAT IN . AND THEN, ELECTRICAL SUBSTATIONS , THE STATES THE NEW AND EXISTING SUBSTATIONS MUST PERMIT IN ALL LAND-USE CATEGORIES. SO, WE HAVE MADE THAT CHANGE, AND THEN, THERE IS A NEW PLAN ON THE HORIZON. SO, THE FIRST IS A TEN-YEAR PERIOD , AND THEN THE SECOND IS A COVER OF A 20 YEAR PERIOD. AND THAT REQUIRED ADDITIONAL REGULATIONS FOR THE POPULATION PROJECTIONS. WE PROVIDED THAT IN TWO TABLES FOR YOU. THE FIRST ONE SHOWS POPULATIONS OVER THE 20 YEAR PERIOD THAT INCLUDES ALL THE MAIN DISABILITIES. SO, I WILL GIVE YOU A MOMENT TO DIGEST ALL OF THAT , AND LET ME KNOW WHEN YOU ARE READY TO FLIP SCREENS. THE SECOND SCREEN SHOWS THE SAME POPULATIONS OF CATEGORIES OVER THE SAME TIME PERIOD, BUT WITHOUT MUSA POLITIES. BLESS YOU. 
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          >> CAN I ASK YOU A QUESTION ABOUT THIS? YOU NOT KNOW? 
          >> YOU CERTAINLY CAN. >> WHERE THE MEMBERS? 
          >> I CAN ASK BETH TO GIVE THE FULL DESCRIPTION OF THAT , BECAUSE SHE RAN IT THROUGH. THERE WERE MODELS . YEP, THERE 
          SHE COMES. COOL. >> YOU ARE A GATEWAY. REMEMBER YOU WERE VOTED FOR THAT. NO, YOU DO NOT CHANGE YOUR NAME. 
          HIS DOCTOR IS IN LIGHT RIDGEWOOD. 
          >> SO, TO GET TO THESE NUMBERS, LET'S EXPLAIN, FIRST, HOW WE GET THERE. THE TOTALS COME FROM BEAVER. SO, WE HAVE THOSE TOTALS. WHERE THEY ARE DISTRIBUTED COMES FROM NORTHEAST FLORIDA REGIONAL PLANNING MODEL . WE USED THE YEARS 2015, 2030, AND 2045 FURTHER MODEL TO SEE WHERE PEOPLE WILL BE IN THOSE DIFFERENT PLANNING DISTRICTS . 
          SO, IN A COUPLE OF THESE DISTRICTS, YOU SEE A LITTLE BIT OF A DECREASE , BUT OVER CLAY HILL IS DECREASING BUT COMING BACK UP TO 2045. SO, YOU MAY HAVE SOME REDEVELOPING, PEOPLE SHARING SOME THINGS THAT ARE ADJACENT LIKE AS. THE THINGS THEY ARE DOING ARE SHIFTING, WE HAVE SOME HIGHER INTENSITY DEVELOPMENTS . I JUST ATTENDED THE APA CONFERENCE, AND WHAT THEY ARE SAYING IS THAT A PORTION WILL BE TAKEN AWAY FROM FAMILY DEVELOPMENTS TO MORE UTILIZE MIXED-USE DEVELOPMENT. 
          MAYBE THAT IS BEING PREDICTED FOR THE FUTURE. THAT GOES MORE TOWARDS THE MASTER FIELD AREA . SAME THING , LET'S SEE WHAT ELSE IS GOING DOWN. YOU KNOW, THEY GO DOWN A LITTLE BIT, AND THEN THEY COME BACK UP. SO, 2020 IS THE SENSES, AND WE DO OUR BEST TO DISTRIBUTE IN THE PLANNING DISTRICTS. SO, ARE 
          THERE ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT? >> YOU SAID THAT GATEWAY IS ORANGE PARK , AND THAT OAKLEAF IS CAPTURED IN DOCTORS OF 
          RIDGEWOOD? >> YES. ALSO, THE BRANDON FIELD MASTER FIELD AREA IS IN THAT AREA. DO YOU HAVE A PLANNING DISTRICT MAP BY YOU? ASSUMING LINEAR BACKUP DOCUMENTS, THERE IS A MAP. BACA MATERIAL THAT SHOWS YOU WHERE THE PLANNING DISTRICTS ARE. HERE I THINK IT CARRIES OVER FROM ORANGE PARK 
          LANDING ALL THE WAY OVER. >> AT THIS RATE, HOWEVER SERVING THE DISTRICT BOARD WILL HAVE, LIKE, HAVE THE COUNTY. 
          GEOGRAPHICALLY. THERE WILL BE, LIKE, TWO STREETS IN DISTRICT 
          5. >> ARE YOU LOOKING AT LIKE 
          ASBURY? >> YEAH, HAVING THE DISTRICT BASED ON POPULATION IN THE DISTRICTS . 
          >> THAT WAS PART OF THE INTENT OF THE MASTER PLAN, WAS TO HAVE A COMPACT AREA WHERE YOUR POPULATION IS CONCENTRATED IN THE CONCENTRATION IS MOVING SOUTH . LAKE HAS VERY WAS INTENDED TO CAPTURE ALONG WITH IT , AND ALSO, YOU HAVE YOUR EFFICIENCY AND SERVICES BEING PROVIDED WITH SHORTER NETWORKS FOR ROADS AND UTILITIES , COMPACT DEVELOPMENT THAT IS COMFORTABLE . THAT WAS THE BASIS FOR LIKE ASBURY. 
          >> SO, WHEN PEOPLE SAY WE HAVE A PLANNED , BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT I HEAR ALL THE TIME NOW, ALL THEY HAVE TO DO IS RESEARCH TO SEE THERE HAS BEEN A PLAN FOR A LONG TIME, AND MY DISTRICT IS DEFINITELY THE MIDDLE OF ALL OF THAT . SO IT 
          DID NOT JUST ARE HAPPENING. >> WITH THE DOWNTURN, OBVIOUSLY, WE DID NOT SEE MUCH , AND IT STARTED WITH 2018, 2019. THAT IS AND WE STARTED TO SEE THAT IN THE AREA. 
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          >> THE MAP IS IN THAT BACA MATERIAL IF YOU ARE LOOKING FOR 
          IT. >> YEAH, SO, I WAS LOOKING AT THAT. THAT'S ACTUALLY BROADER THAN JUST RIDGEWOOD AND OAKLEAF. IT'S ALSO A LOT OF ORANGE PARK ALSO. SO, IT MAKES IT A LITTLE BIT MORE CHALLENGING GETTING INTO SPECIFIC AREAS , AND I KNOW THE THOUGHT IN LIGHT OF THE CONVERSATION , BUT IT MAKES IT A LITTLE BIT MORE CHALLENGING TO PARSE OUT HOW ALL OF THIS COMES FORWARD IN MY MIND. WE ARE OVERLAPPING QUITE A BIT , AND MINE IS A LITTLE INTERESTING IN PART , SO WE ARE VERY FASCINATED BY THE WAY THAT 
          THIS MAP WAS DRAWN. >> SO, THESE PLANNING DISTRICT WERE DEVELOPED BACK AND PROBABLY THE '80S . SO, THAT WAS LONG BEFORE THIS TIMEFRAME. 
          >> ANY QUESTIONS FOR BETH? THANK YOU. SO, WE HAVE TO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS . I AM SORRY, WHAT? OH, OKAY. 
          >> JODI IS WAVING AT YOU TELLING YOU SHE IS NOT DONE. 
          >> SO, THE NEXT LIGHT HAS THE SAME CONFIRMATION WITHOUT THE MUNICIPALITIES INCLUDED. SO, IF YOU WOULD LIKE A MOMENT TO GANDER? SO, I MENTIONED AFTER THE STATUTORY CHANGES, THERE ARE LEAGUE CHANGES. THAT'S IN TWO CATEGORIES. THEY ARE PROCEDURAL CHANGES , SO WE HAVE CHANGE THE DATES ON THE MAPS, WE HAVE VERIFIED EVERYTHING IS ACCURATE, WE MAINTAIN THE LEVEL SERVICE STANDARDS THAT ARE REPRESENTED THROUGHOUT UPDATED DATES AND UPDATED OUTDATED REQUIREMENT AND DAYS. WE ADDRESSED FOOTNOTES MISSING FROM THE TABLE . ONE UPDATE WE DID MAKE WAS AN UPDATE TO THE TABLE IN CIE, AND THIS IS THE FIVE-YEAR TRANSPORTATION IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM. WE STRUGGLE THE PROJECTS IMPROVE BEFORE, BECAUSE THEY HAVE BEEN COMPLETED OR NEARLY. THIS IS THE CURRENT PROJECT. SO, THAT WILL BE REPLACING THOSE THERE BEFORE. THE CHANGES WERE ITEMS THAT WERE EITHER AN ISSUE WITH THE REVISION BECAUSE SOMETHING WAS MISSING INFORMATION WISE , A CONFLICT WITH ANOTHER PART OF THE CODE , OR JUST TO PROVIDE GREATER CLARITY FOR THE INTENT. 
          SO, WE GAVE YOU A TABLE LISTING OF THOSE. THEY ARE THINGS LIKE ADDRESSING THE 20 LOT ACCESS FOR A SINGLE EASEMENT . THAT WAS TO APPLY FOR EXISTING EASEMENTS BEFORE 1996 . SO, WE ADDED EXISTING, JUST FOR CLARITY. WE CHANGED THE MEASUREMENT DISTANCE FROM OUR BONUS PROGRAMS . THERE IS A RADIUS , WHICH IS NOT UNLIKE THE ABILITY FOR A PERSON TO GET TO A SERVICE OR THE SERVICE TO GET TO THAT PERSON . THAT IS EITHER BY WALKING, SO WE HAVE CHANGED IT TO EITHER A SIDEWALK OR DRIVING DISTANCES DEPENDING ON THE TYPE OF SERVICE THAT WAS INVOLVED. WE CREATED A BUSINESS PARK CATEGORY THAT WAS REFERENCED IN THE BUSINESS PLAN, BUT IS NOT DEFINED. WE CHANGED THE PRIORITY REVIEW. THE TERM IS USED ELSEWHERE, SO IT WOULD BE CONSISTENT , AND PROVIDED IN BRANDON FIELD, 
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EVERYTHING IS DESCRIBING GROSS ACREAGE , SO, WE CLARIFIED THAT. WE CLARIFY THE LAKE AS. COMMERCIAL LAND USE CATEGORY, AND I WAS MARKED ON THE MAP . NO DEFINITION WAS EVER PROVIDED AS ANY CATEGORY IN THE FUTURE LAND USE FOR LAKE AS VERY . IT IS ONE MAP WE MADE A CHANGE TO, AND THAT IS LAKE ASBURY . ON THE LEFT IS THAT AREA IN MARCH. I WILL USE THE MAP BEHIND FOR FOLKS. THIS IS THE FIRST EXPRESSWAY. THE GRAY LINE AT THE TOP, THE SANDRIDGE ROAD , AND THIS GRAY LINE COMING DOWN IS STEVE MILLER , THEN THERE IS A DASHED LINE FOR THOSE IN OUR CODE. SO, THIS ONE REPRESENTED BY A BLUE DASH IS THE CURRENT LINE YOU LINEMAN TO CONNECT ON HERE WITH THE OTHER END OF ROSEMARY HILL ROAD WHERE THE LANDFILL IS. THIS AREA, A GOOD PORTION OF THIS IS SARATOGA SPRINGS. IT WAS RECENTLY IN FOR LAND-USE APPROVAL. THE REDLINE REFLECTS THE DASHED LINE THAT REFLECTS THE REALIGNMENT BASED ON THAT ROAD. SO, INSTEAD OF RUNNING OVER HERE , WE ARE TAPPING INTO ROSEMARY HILL . IT WILL BE A MORE TRUE NORTH-SOUTH CONNECTING TO SEND OUT HERE UNTIL WE FINALIZED THE ROAD . HOWEVER, WE KNOW WHERE THAT LINE WILL BE , SO WE JUST WANT TO UPDATE THAT MAP. AND THAT IS STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION FOR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN CHANGES . DO WE HAVE SOME QUESTIONS FOR ME? 
          >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? SO, I WILL TAKE A MOTION TO TRANSMIT THE EVALUATION OF APPRAISAL REPORTS . 
          >> PUBLIC HEARING? >> PUBLIC HEARING. I HAVE NO CARDS ON THIS. BUT IF THERE IS SOMEBODY WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ISSUE , PLEASE STEP FORWARD. I'M HEARING NONE. A CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. NOW I WILL TAKE A 
          MOTION. >> SO MOVED. 
          >> SECOND. >> I HAVE A MOTION IN A SECOND TO TRANSMIT COMP PLAN 24-0019 FOR THE APPRAISAL REPORT. ANY COMMENTS, QUESTIONS, OR CONCERNS? I AM HEARING NONE. 
          [40.  First Public Hearing to Consider ZON 24-0020 , LDC Text Change. (M. Brown)]
          ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE? >> AYE. 
          >> AYE. >> AYE. 
          >> ALL THOSE OPPOSED? THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. ITEM NUMBER 40 IS THE PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER ZONE ITEM 24-0020 . 
          >> THE CHAIRMAN WILL BE OUR NEW ZONING CHIEF FROM THE COUNTY. 
          >> YOU DON'T EVEN LOOK CLOSE TO CHAIRMAN BROWN! 
          >> SO, GOOD EVENING. I AM JENNY -- 
          >> AND YOU HIT THAT GREEN BUTTON? THANK YOU. 
          >> THANK YOU! MY VOICE IS NOT LOUD ENOUGH? BUT I AM PLEASED TO PRESENT YOU WITH THIS ITEM FOR DISCUSSION THAT WILL COME BEFORE YOU FOR A VOTE ON THE 24TH OF THIS MONTH. IN THIS ITEM IS FOR RURAL EVENT VENUES. THIS IS A COUNTY INITIATED AMENDMENT, AND WILL LINK SEVERAL EXISTING ITEMS TOGETHER . THE RURAL EVENT CENTERS , YOUTH CAMPS, RETREAT CENTERS , AND SPECIAL EVENTS IN GENERAL. THE RURAL EVENT OF ANY WILL BE ALLOWING SEVERAL ZONING DISTRICTS TO INCLUDE THOSE LISTED HERE, AS YOU CAN SEE. AND THIS, AS A SIDE ITEM, DID COME BEFORE YOU IN 2016 I BELIEVE , AND WAS RESCINDED , AND YOU WOULD ASK FOR STAFF TO COME BACK WITH ALL OF THESE VERSIONS. THE PERFORMANCE STANDARDS RECOMMENDED TO BE 
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ATTACHED TO THE RURAL VENUES ARE LISTED HERE. THEY ARE, IN GENERAL, A MINIMUM OF 58 PERSON SIZE WITH ACCESS BY A PAVED ROAD, A 75 FOOT PERIMETER BUFFER . THE SITE MAY HAVE RVS OR TENTS, BUT SHOULD THE APPLICANT CHOOSE THIS ROUTE, THERE WILL BE A MAXIMUM NUMBER OF THOSE ALLOWED ON THE SITE. 
          THE APPROVAL FOR THE EVENT VENUE DOES NOT RELIEVE THE APPLICANT OF GOING THROUGH THE APPROVAL PROCESS FOR A SPECIAL EVENT ITSELF CONSISTENT WITH CHAPTER 12 OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCES, AS WELL AS THE NOISE ORDINANCE IN CHAPTER 15. 
          THE RURAL EVENT VENUE, AS STATED, TIE SEVERAL EXISTING CONDITIONAL USE CASES TO TYPE TOGETHER FOR AN APPROACH TO THESE VERY RECREATIONAL USES. THE ITEM WAS HEARD BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION ON AUGUST 29TH , 2024, AND THEY DID PROVIDE A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL BY THE VOTE. AND AS STATED, THIS ITEM IS SCHEDULED TO COME BEFORE YOU ON SEPTEMBER 24TH. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I AM HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM , AS THIS IS MY ITEM. I'M JUST TRY TO GET IT ACROSS THE FINISH LINE. 
          >> ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? THIS IS THE FIRST PUBLIC HEARING, SO I DON'T HAVE ANY COMMENTS, SO I WILL OPEN PUBLIC HEARING FOR THIS ISSUE OR ZONING CHANGE. I'M SEEING AND HEARING NONE. I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING . I KNOW WE DON'T HAVE TO, BUT THERE'S NO ACTION REQUIRED. CORRECT? 
          >> ONLY JUST FOR CLARIFICATION PURPOSES IS I THINK IT WAS PROBABLY ONLY VICE CHAIR CELLA ON THE BOARD. WE DO HAVE A ROLL OF CENTER. THIS IS A DIFFERENT ITEM, WHICH IS A RULE OF EVENT VENUE, SO THIS IS SEPARATE IN PART FROM THAT ITEM, WHICH WE 
          HAD HAD PREVIOUSLY. >> OKAY. SO, WE ARE DONE WITH 
          [41.  Public Hearing for consideration of an Ordinance amending Article X of Chapter 12 of the Clay County Code, Event Permit, to Amend Sec. 12-195 Events Involving Consumption of Alcoholic Beverages on County-Owned Property to add a Subsection (3) to Allow Approval for Consumption of Alcoholic Beverages at Plantation Sports Complex in Certain Circumstances (C. Grimm)]
THAT ONE. RIGHT? WE ARE ON TO ITEM NUMBER 41, PUBLIC HEARING CAN ITERATION OF ORDINANCE AMENDING ITEM ARTICLE 10 OF CHAPTER 12 OF THE CLAY COUNTY CODE, EVENT PERMIT, TO AMEND SECTION 12-195 EVENTS EVOLVING CONSUMPTION OF ALCOHOL . 
          >> SO, THIS IS AN ITEM THAT WE ARE READING BEFORE YOU FOR THE TOURISM AND THE PARKS AND REC DEPARTMENT. IT ORIGINATED IN CONNECTION WITH A REQUEST THAT WAS BROUGHT TO THE TDC BY -- IT'S FOR THE FLORIDA RUGBY CLASSIC TOURNAMENT THAT WILL BE HELD AT THE PLANTATION SPORTS COMPLEX IN OCTOBER. SO, IN CONNECTION WITH THAT , I BELIEVE THE GENERALS ARE HERE. 
          IF YOU HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THAT SPECIFIC EVENT, THEY ARE THERE, BUT IN CONNECTION WITH THE FUNDING, THEY NEEDED TO BE ABLE TO OBTAIN SOME ADDITIONAL SPONSORSHIPS, AND THEY WERE ABLE TO OBTAIN A PROSPECT FROM CHAMPION BRANDS , WHICH IS A LOCAL BEVERAGE SUPPLIER. SO, THEY NEED TO BE ABLE TO UTILIZE THAT AT THE PLANTATION SPORTS COMPLEX. IN THE PAST, WE HAVE ALSO ALLOWED WERE DONE EXCEPTIONS TO THE ORDINANCE TO ALLOW ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES. REALLY, THE BEER AND THE WINE AT PLANTATION SPORTS COMPLEX. SO, IN SPEAKING ABOUT IT AND DOING THE TOURISM OF PARKS AND REC AND POTENTIAL UTILIZES FOR OTHER EVENTS, WHAT WE HAVE BROUGHT FORWARD IS IN A MEMO TO THE EVENTS ORDINANCE TO JUST ALLOW FOR PLANTATION SPORTS COMPLEX TO HAVE THE SAME TREATMENTS THAT THE FAIRGROUNDS HAS. SO, WHAT IS IN YOUR BACKUP IS IDENTICAL TO WHAT WOULD BE A LOT OF THE PARAGRAPH. THE ONLY CHANGES WERE LIMITED BY THE PARTIES , BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T SPORTS COMPLEX IS NOT HAVE THE EXHIBIT HALL OR ANYTHING. IS JUST THE ATTENDED FINE AREA. 
          >> JUST TO REVIEW THAT LIMITATION, IT IS ENCLOSED. 
          IT'S A SEPARATE AREA? >> SO, IF YOU ARE DOING THE PRIVATE PARTY PART, YES, THAT WOULD BE A SEPARATE AREA. 
          >> THERE IS NO ALCOHOL OUTSIDE? 
          >> RIGHT. FOR THE PARTY. >> ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? 
          >> MISS JENNER, NO QUESTIONS, BUT KIMBERLY IS NOT HERE TODAY , SO I THINK IT WOULD BE BEST TO JUMP IN AND FILL IN SOME OF 
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THE GAPS AS FAR AS THAT IS CONCERNED. RUGBY CAME LAST YEAR FOR THE FIRST TIME. WE'VE ACTUALLY HAD SOME OF THE TOURNAMENTS AND THINGS WITHIN BERMUDA, AND 19 AND UNDER NATIONAL TEAM PLAYED THE NATIONAL TEAM HERE AND PRACTICE A FEW DAYS OF THE STADIUM. THREE OR FOUR DAYS HERE AT FLEMING ISLAND AT THE HOTEL THERE. IT'S A GROWING NEED FOR THE COUNTY IN TERMS OF THE RUGBY , AND THIS TIME, WE HAVE BOTH MEN MEAND WOMEN'S TEAMS COMING. THEY CAME TO THE TDC LOOKING FOR A SPECIFIC AMOUNT OF MONEY , AND I CAN'T QUOTE THE SPECIFIC NUMBER, BECAUSE IF I AM SURE I GOT IT CORRECT, IT WAS ABOUT $14,000.00 I THINK OR SOMETHING IN THAT AREA. THE TDC OFFERED THEM 10 IN THAT VICINITY , SO THEY WERE FORCED TO GO OUT AND WERE ABLE TO FIND ONLY ONE SPONSOR, BUT MAYBE GOT A COUPLE OF SPONSORS TO MAKE UP THE DIFFERENCE FOR COVERING THEIR EXPENSES AND HAVING THE VIABLE TOURNAMENT THAT ATTRACTS TEAMS FOR ALL OVER THE EAST COAST. WE HAVE TEAMS FROM ALL OVER THE COUNTRY COMING IN AND UTILIZING OUR FACILITIES . SO, THIS IS ONE OF THE WAYS THAT THEY HAVE DONE IT. THE TDC IS UNDERGOING A LITTLE BIT OF A CHANGE IN THE WAYS THEY TREAT THE GRANT PROCESS , AND THOSE EVENTS ARE TEAMS THAT COME IN, THE 20 THE WAYS WE ARE TRYING TO STRETCH OUR DOLLARS. WE ARE COGNIZANT OF THE FACT THAT THE HOTEL INDUSTRY AS A WHOLE HAS SEEN DECREASING USAGE SINCE THE PANDEMIC. IT STILL ABOVE PRE-PANDEMIC LEVELS IN TERMS OF PEOPLE UTILIZING THE HOTELS , BUT NOT LIKE IT WAS IN THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS. I AM REALIZING THAT WE MIGHT HAVE A LITTLE LESS MONEY AND REVENUE TO WORK WITH. WE ARE GETTING A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT IN TERMS OF THE WAY WE TREAT THOSE. SO THEREFORE, THAT IS PROBABLY ONE OF THE FEW REASONS THESE ORGANIZERS CAN BRING IN ADDITIONAL REVENUES TO SPONSOR THEM , IS TO GET, YOU KNOW, SOME KIND OF COMMERCIAL BACK. THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO FIND SO FAR , AND WE NEED TO PASS THAT YOU GIVE THEM APPROVAL. PLANTATION PARK HAS SEEN THAT ACTIVITY ONCE BEFORE. 
          IT WAS CONSCIOUS ON THE GREEN MEMORIAL DAY EVENT IN WHICH THE JACKSONVILLE SYMPHONY CAME IN AND THEY HOUSE THAT AT PLANTATION PARK, AND THE WERE REMINDED AT THAT TIME IT WAS QUITE SUCCESSFUL. YOU KNOW, IT WAS RECEIVED JUST AS IT HAD BEEN WITH THE SCOTTISH GAMES AT THE FAIRGROUNDS IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, NO INCIDENTS , A VERY WELL BEHAVED CROWD, AND VERY WELL STAFFED BY THE HARLEM FIRE DEPARTMENT AND RESCUE FOLKS. 
          THEY WILL BE FILLING OUT, YOU KNOW, A PERMIT PROCESS IF THEY HAVE NOT ALREADY STARTED, THEY MIGHT BE WELL INTO IT, AND SHOW US THEIR THOUGHTS ON HOW THAT SHOULD ALL BE SET UP , AND STARTING IN GENERAL, GETTING A LITTLE BIT MORE OF AN IDEA AS TO WHY, WITH THOSE COMING BACK ON THE GRANTS REQUESTS , A LOT OF THESE ORGANIZATIONS WILL BE OUT IN THE COMMUNITY LOOKING 
          FOR SOME COMMERCIAL SUPPORT. >> OKAY. 
          >> MR. CHAIR, IF I MAY? COURTNEY, WOULD YOU MIND SETTING FORTH WHAT OUR THREE OPTIONS ARE AS IT RELATES TO THIS CHANGE? WELL, OKAY. IN MY CONVERSATION WITH KIMBERLY MORGAN, I KNOW SHE COULD NOT MAKE IT TONIGHT , BUT MY UNDERSTANDING OF ITEM 41 IS THAT WE EITHER CHANGE THE ORDINANCE TO REFLECT WHAT STAFF HAS PROPER FOR US TO REJECT IT, OR TO ASK THAT THESE EVENTS ACTUALLY COME BACK TO THE VCC , AS WAS TRUE WITH THE LAST EVENT , WHERE THEY HAD TO ASK FOR PERMISSION TO ENGAGE IN THE ALCOHOLIC CONSUMPTION . IS THAT WHAT YOU UNDERSTOOD TO BE THE THREE CHOICES FOR US TONIGHT? 
          >> I GUESS I'M NOT 100% CLEAR ON YOUR LAST CHOICE. IF YOUR LAST VISIT SO WE DID IT BEFORE CONCERT ON THE GREEN AND THE SCOTTISH GAMES BEFORE WE HAD THE EVENT PERMIT , WHAT WE WOULD DO IS THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME BEFORE THE BOARD EACH EVENT AND SAY FOR, YOU KNOW, THIS EVENT IS OCTOBER 12 AND 13TH. WILL YOU PLEASE PROVIDE AN ORDINANCE THAT PROVIDES AN EXCEPTION JUST FOR THE FOUR TO RUGBY CLASSIC ON OCTOBER 12 AND 13TH? I THINK THAT IS HOW WE DID A PREVIOUSLY BEFORE WE 
          MOVED TO THE OTHER ORDINANCE. >> SO, THIS CHANGE ADDS TO THE LIST WHAT WE DID BACK IN FEBRUARY FOR THE FAIRGROUNDS. 
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SO, AN EVENT BEING HOSTED AT THE PLANTATION SPORTS COMPLEX THAT WANTS TO ENGAGE ANYWAY THAT WAS SET OUT IN THE ORDINANCE DOES NOT HAVE TO COME BACK BEFORE THE BOARD FOR APPROVAL SO LONG AS THEY MEET ITEMS A THROUGH U REFLECTED 
          HERE. >> YES. UNDER THE CURRENT ORDINANCE, ANY EVENT THAT THE TWO COUNTY PROPERTIES THAT ARE CURRENTLY PROVIDED FOR UNDER THE EVENT ORDINANCE ARE THE SENIOR CENTER AND THE FAIRGROUNDS. SO, THOSE DO NOT HAVE TO COME BACK TO THE BOARD. ALCOHOL IS ALLOWED WITHIN THESE PARAMETERS. THOSE ARE THE ONLY TWO PROPERTIES. 
          >> WE ARE LOOKING TO ADD THIS TO OUR LIST AS I UNDERSTAND? 
          >> YES, THE PLANTATION SPORTS COMPLEX. 
          >> ANY OTHER QUESTION FOR STAFF? WE HAVE NO CARDS ON THIS ISSUE, BUT I WILL OPEN A PUBLIC HEARING. WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO THIS ISSUE? HEARING NONE. I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC 
          HEARING FOR THIS ISSUE. >> MR. CHAIR, IF I MAY , I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE , AS IS SUBMITTED BY COUNTY ATTORNEY IN REGARDS TO ADDING PLANTATION SPORTS COMPLEX TO THE LIST OF APPROVED COUNTY LOCATIONS FOR SERVING 
          ALCOHOL? >> WE TAKE A SECOND. 
          >> SECOND. >> I HAVE A MOTION IN A SECOND. 
          THAT WILL APPROVE ADDING THE SPORTS PLANTATION COMPLEX TO THE LIST OF FACILITIES, WHICH IS THE FAIRGROUNDS IN THE COMMUNITY SENIOR CENTER. WE HAVE A GOOD LIST IN WHICH ALLOWS ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES WITHOUT STIPULATIONS. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? QUESTIONS? CONCERNS? DO WE HAVE A MOTION IN A 
          SECOND? ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE? >> AYE. 
          [42.  Final Public Hearing to consider ZON 24-0022 (County Wide Article II Amendment) (T. McCoy)]
          >> AYE. >> AYE. 
          >> ALL THE SUPPOSED? >> AYE. 
          >> THAT PASSES 4-1. I DON'T NUMBER 42, FINAL PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER ZONING 24-0022 , COUNTYWIDE ARTICLE TO 
          AMENDMENT. >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. THIS IS A COUNTY INITIATED ITEM TO AMEND ARTICLE TWO, WHICH IS THE CODE PROCEDURES FOR DEVELOPMENT REVIEW . THESE POLICIES AFFECT ALL DEVELOPMENT THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY, AND WE HEARD THIS AUGUST 29TH IN VOTED 6-0 IN FAVOR OF THESE CHANGES. THESE PROPOSED CHANGES RELATE TO CONTENT , TO OUR TABLE OF LANGUAGE FOR OUR ENTIRE CODE , AND EVEN INCREASES THE ABILITY TO SPEAK MORE CLEAR. MANY OF THESE CHANGES WERE PROMPTED BY SENATE BILL 812, WHICH INTRODUCES THAT NEW PROCEDURE THAT THE COUNTY IS REQUIRED TO ALLOW TO HELP US REQUEST PERMITS FOR UP TO 20% WITHIN THE UNITS WITHIN A PHASE . THAT GOES INTO EFFECT OCTOBER 1ST. ON THE 27TH, THE GOES UP TO 25%. SECTION 22-8 , WHICH IS SUBDIVISION PROCESS, THAT WAS AMENDED, AS WELL AS TO 12. 2-2 WAS JUST REORDERING, LIKE I SAID , TO PLACE IT IN A BETTER ORDER FOR A BETTER READING. 
          SECTION 2-8 , THIS IS THE FIRST OF THE MAJOR CHANGES FOR THIS STATUTORY REQUIREMENT. IN SUBSECTION D, WE HAVE BEEN INTRODUCED TO THE LANGUAGE OF EARLY SUBDIVISION DEVELOPMENT PLANS. SO, WE REQUIRE SOME SPECIFIC STANDARDS FOR PLANS. 
          THEY MUST IDENTIFY WHICH UNITS NEED HELP. THEY NEED TO INCLUDE RECREATION OF OPEN SPACES REQUIRED FOR THE QUANTITY OF UNITS. THEY ARE TO ALSO PROVIDE GRAPHIC ILLUSTRATION OF HOW THE 
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HEALTH AND FIRE DEPARTMENT CAN ACCESS THE SITE , AND HOW THE STRUCTURAL ROAD WILL BE , AND MAINTENANCE OF DRAINAGE PLAN. 
          THE REASON WE ARE DOING THIS IS BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, THE CURRENT PROCESS IN WHAT WE CALL NOW OPTION ONE, WHICH IS THE CURRENT PROCESS , YOU CAN HAVE THREE MODELS PER BUILDER BEFORE YOU HAVE A CERTAIN LEVEL OF CONSTRUCTION. YOU HAVE A MAXIMUM OF 10 IF YOU HAVE CERTAIN ABILITIES. SO, THIS IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. THE ROADS ARE NOT QUITE WHILE YOU'RE IN THE SPACE, BUT WITH THIS NEW PROCESS, YOU WILL HAVE 50 OR 100 HOMES WITHOUT THE ROAD IN . IF YOU HAVE EVER BEEN TO A CONSTRUCTION SITE, EASY CONTRACTORS ALL OVER NAVIGATING THE ROADS . THE PUBLIC SAFETY CONCERNS, THAT IS MEET THIS PROCESS. SECTION 2-12 , WE HAVE THE CHANGES TO THE BUILDING PERMIT PROCESS WHERE WE ARE REQUIRING A SITE PLAN IS APPROVED BY ZONING ENGINEERING AND LANDSCAPING. IT HAS A COMPLETE SET OF CONSTRUCTION PLANS BY PROFESSIONALS. THAT WAS A CHANGE BECAUSE OF THE BUILDING APARTMENT. THIS IS WHERE WE GET INTO THE DETAILS OF THE OPTION ONE VERSUS OPTION TWO , AND THAT WE WILL BE ASKING THEM TO IDENTIFY THIS IN THE DRC PROCESS. AT THAT POINT, THEY HAVE DEFINED WHICH PATH THEY ARE TAKING , AND THEN IT DECLARES THE PLANS WE ARE EXPECTING FROM THEM AND WHAT THEY EXPECT OF US. SECTION 2-3 IS THE PLANNING PROCESS. NEED TO ADD WHAT WE NEED TO ADD TO THE PULMONARY PLATS , AND WE HAVE INCLUDED THAT THE NATURE WHICH UNITS ARE INVOLVED AGAIN, AS WELL AS THE EXPLANATION. 
          THERE NEEDS TO BE PROOF OF A VALID PERFORMANCE SPOT OR 130% OF NECESSARY IMPROVEMENTS. THIS IMPROVES THAT THE APPLICANT PROVIDED THE COPY OF THE PULMONARY PLOT, AS WELL AS CIVIL PLANS TO ALL OF THE UTILITY COMPANIES , AND THOSE TWO ARE REQUIRED BY THE STATUTE , AND A THIRD ITEM IS PROVIDED BY OUR G.I. SO WE CAN BEGIN TO LOCATE THE LOTS. NEXT IS THE GRAPHIC OF THE PROCESS , AND WE ADDED THE ASTERISK IF THE DEVELOPER CHOOSES OBJECT TWO FOR THE SUBDIVISION DEVELOPMENT. WITH THAT, STAFF RECOMMEND'S APPROVAL OF 24-00 22 FOR DEVELOPMENT FOR THIS. YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? 
          >> ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? MS. CHAIR, IF I COULD? OBVIOUSLY, THESE ARE ALL BROUGHT ON BY THE NEW STATE STATUTES . DO WE GET BUILDERS INVOLVED ON FEEDBACK FOR SOME OF THESE THINGS? SOME OF THEM ARE PRO-BUILDERS OBVIOUSLY. 
          >> RIGHT, AND NOT ALL OF THEM WILL BE CHOOSING THIS OPTION. 
          BUT THIS IS TO SAFEGUARD FUTURE HOMEOWNERS , SAFEGUARD THE CONTRACTORS THAT ARE OUT THERE WORKING , SO, THAT IS WHAT WE HAVE DONE. WE HAVE LET THEM KNOW THAT WE ARE BUILDING A 
          PROCESS. >> THANK YOU. 
          >> THIS IS ANOTHER QUESTION FOR STAFF. THIS IS A FINAL PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS ISSUE. I HAVE NO CARDS, BUT I WILL OPEN A PUBLIC HEARING. DOES ANYONE WANT TO SPEAK ON THIS? YES, SIR? NEED TO STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. 
          >> YES. I LIVE AT 2051 LANE SOUTH. I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT PLOT OF LAND THIS PERTAINS TO, BUT I WAS JUST CONCERNED ABOUT IT AND WANTED TO KNOW IF IT APPLIED TO THE GIRL SCOUT LAND WHILE WE ARE CHANGING ALL OF THESE THINGS. ALSO, THE GIRL SCOUT LAND OVER BY MY HOUSE , WITHOUT BE DEVELOPED OR 
          ANYTHING LIKE THAT? >> COULD YOU FILL OUT A CARD 
          BEFORE YOU LEAVE? >> SURE. 
          >> THIS IS RELATED TO ANYWHERE THERE WOULD BE A SUBDIVISION PROPOSED IN THE COUNTY FOR ANY PROPERTY. 
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          >> DOES ANYONE ELSE WANT TO SPEAK ON THIS ISSUE? SAME SEEING AND HEARING NONE. I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. 
          >> MR. CHAIR, I WOULD SAY THAT THE GENTLEMAN WHO JUST SPOKE, THERE IS A PROPOSED SUBDIVISION IN THAT FORMAL GIRL SCOUT CAMP, SO, IT WOULD APPLY TO THAT. THEY HAVE HAD THEIR PERMIT FOR THREE OF THEIR FIVE YEARS, AND HAVE NOT DONE ANYTHING TOWARDS THOSE HOMES . THERE ARE 29 HOMES PROPOSED IN THE BACK OF THEIR , BUT WE HAVE NOT SEEN ANY MOVEMENT TOWARDS IT. 
          >> IS THERE ARE NO OTHER QUESTIONS, I WILL TAKE EMOTION. 
          >> I MOVE FOR APPROVAL. >> SECOND. 
          >> A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE THE COUNTYWIDE ZONING 24-0022 , WHICH INCLUDES CHANGES. ANY COMMENTS, QUESTIONS, OR CONCERNS? I AM HEARING AND SEEING NONE. ALL 
          [31.  Progress Report on the Bonded Transportation Program (E. Dendor)]
          THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. >> AYE. 
          >> AYE. >> AYE. 
          >> ALL THOSE POST? THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. MOVE ON TO DISCUSSION UPDATES , THE BONDED TRANSPORTATION? 
          >> GOOD EVENING TO THE BOARD IN THE CHAIR. WITH ME THIS EVENING IS JOSH MATTIX WITH THE WI REPRESENTATIVES. PROJECT 218, WHICH IS FOR MASTERS ROAD AT PINE TREE LANE, THE COUNTY'S TEAM IN COLUMBIA CONTINUES BIMONTHLY IN THE STATUS MEETING. EAST AND WESTBOUND TRAFFIC WAS SHIFTED TO THE NORTH . THIS LANE SHIFT TO THE NORTH ALLOWS THE INSTALLATION OF STORMWATER PIPES AND ALSO RELOCATION TO THE UNDERGROUND UTILITIES THAT START. PROJECTS TWO, FIVE, AND 6A, SPECIFICALLY THE PROJECT NUMBER TWO, COUNTY NUMBER 209, UTILITY ADJUSTMENTS CONTINUE THROUGHOUT THE QUARTER. HOWEVER, THERE IS POTENTIAL SCHEDULE IMPACT ON THESE LOCATIONS DUE TO A LABOR STRIKE AT AT&T. MOST OF THAT HAS BEEN TAKING CARE OF , BUT THAT COULD IMPACT THIS. PLANNING WITH ALL AGENCIES CONTINUE THIS PAST MONTH ON THE DETOUR AND THE CLOSURE TO THE RAILROAD CROSSING. COUNTY ROAD U AND ENCLOSURE OF THE ROAD CROSSING STARTED YESTERDAY MORNING , SEPTEMBER 9TH, AND IS FORECASTED TO RUN APPROXIMATELY FOR EIGHT WEEKS. THROW YESTERDAY AND TODAY, THE TEAM MONITOR THE FLOW OF TRAFFIC THROUGH THE INTERSECTION, AND CONTINUE TO MAKE ADJUSTMENTS. 
          WE HAVE SIGNALS TODAY ADDED AT PEAK HOURS, AND CHANGING THE TIME AND ON THE SIGNAL, AS A LIST OF D.O.T. WORKING ON THE CAMERA WITH 17 SIGNAL TIMING AND DETECTION. AS WITH ALL OF OUR ADVANCED NOTICES AND NOTIFICATIONS ON THIS PROJECT, WE CONTINUE TO ASK YOUR PATIENCE DURING THE DETOUR. WE ALSO ASK YOU TO CONSIDER ALTERNATE ROUTES, AS WELL AS TIMING YOUR TRAVEL WHEN YOU'RE TRAVELING 3-D TOUR AREA. FOR PROJECT NUMBER FIVE, DUE TO THE FEDERAL INJUNCTION CAUSED BY THE PERMIT DELAY, PERMIT EFFORTS WILL GO THROUGH THE U.S. ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS. THE FDP PERMIT APPLICATIONS ARE BEING REVISED AND FORMATTED FOR AN APPROVAL PERMIT PROCESS THAT CONTINUES WITH THE COURT TO COMPLETE THIS EFFORT. PLANS REMAIN COMPLETE. CCNY HAS AGREED TO THE PRICE TO INCLUDE THEIR DESIGN ORDER FOR THE WATER AND SEWER RELOCATION EFFORTS ON THE OVERALL PLANT SITE. THE TEAM IS REVISING THE SCOPE OF EFFORTS IN WORKING ON AGREEMENT TO COMPLETE THAT DESIGN. AND FOR PROJECT 6A , WE CONTINUE APPLICATION THROUGH THE COURSE. THIS IS A DUPLICATE EFFORT FROM WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY SUBMITTED TO THE FTE THIRD TWO LOCATION EFFORT. THUS FOR FEDERAL INJUNCTION . FOR PROJECT NUMBER -- I'M SORRY, GROUP NUMBER 3A, WHICH IS 209, THE CURRENT CONTRACTOR DEVELOPMENT FOR COUNTY ROAD TO A NINE SECTIONS ARE JUST NORTH OF OAK STREET ROAD AND JUST SOUTH OF WALKINS ROAD , 
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CONTINUE WITH THE OPERATION OF SAFETY IMPROVEMENTS, AS WELL AS THE SIDEWALK INSTALLATION ON THE SITE COUNTY ROAD 209. THE ROADWAY HOUSE WAS COMPLETED ON AUGUST 23RD. THIS PROJECT IS NOW SUBSTANTIALLY COMPLETE . A BUNCH OF OUTSTANDING ITEMS WERE COMPLETED ON AUGUST 26 AND BEING WORKED. THE APPLICATION FOR ELECTRIC SERVICE FOR PROCESSING THE LIGHT AND PEDESTRIAN CROSSING AT OAK STREAM AND COUNTY ROAD U A NINE IS A PROCESS . THIS PROJECT CONTINUES TO ADD A SCHEDULE OF 91% OF THE PROJECT COMPLETED FOR A RESPECT TO TIME, AND 83% OF THE PRODUCT THAT MAY HELP. FOR PROJECT 3B, THIS CONNECTS THE EAST ENTERPRISE PORTION AND RUNS ROUNDABOUT TO GROUP B. 
          THIS IS LEVEL ACTIVITIES HOLDING A BIMONTHLY GROUP FOR STAFF MEETINGS . COMCAST AND AT& T CONTINUE THEIR LOCATION. 
          THE TEAM IS STILL WAITING FOR THE COURSE PERMIT TO BEGIN UPON EXCAVATION. THE COUNTY HAS ENGAGED THE OFFICE FOR ASSISTANCE IN THIS EFFORT. AND PERMIT EXEMPT PORTIONS OF THIS PROJECT HAVE BEEN RELEASED FOR THE STRUCTURE. PROJECT NUMBER FOUR, SANDRIDGE ROAD , THEY CONTINUE ACTIVITIES AMONG BOTH SITES TO INCLUDE THE INSTALLATION OF SIDEWALKS , CURRENTLY ROSE ROAD BASED AND ASPHALT. 74% IS PAID OUT . 
          MOVING INTO PROJECT 6B, WHICH IS CATHEDRAL PARKWAY. THE CONTINUE TO HOLD BIMONTHLY STATUS MEETINGS . CONTROLLER OPERATIONS CONTINUE THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE QUARTER. PILE CAP INSTALLATIONS CONTINUES ON THE LAST BEND OF NUMBER TWO , CONTINUING TO SET BEAMS ON THE WILD CAPS, AND GETTING INTO PLACE REBAR FOR PEDESTRIAN RAILING. EXCAVATIONS ARE NEARING COMPLETION. INSTALLATION CONTINUES WITH STORMWATER CROSSING DRAINPIPES , SUBBASE, LINE BASE, SIDEWALK , JOINT EAST PATH, AND CURVING. IN SUPPORT OF ALL OF THIS WORK EFFORT, WE CONTINUE TO WORK ACROSS THE ENTIRE PROGRAM SPECTER. AS OF MARCH -- EXCUSE ME, AS OF AUGUST 27TH , WE HAVE ROUGHLY 99 MILLION. THIS CONCLUDES OUR UPDATE. 
          >> CHAIR, QUESTION? >> SURE. 
          >> OKAY. SHOOT. OKAY, THE FLASHING LIGHT UPSTREAM , I HAD ASKED. HOW LONG BEFORE THAT IS TURNED OFF? 
          >> THAT IS THE PEDESTRIAN CROSSING. IS NOT A CONTINUOUS TRAPPING FOR TRAFFIC UNLESS SOMEBODY IS WALKING ACROSS. WE MADE APPLICATIONS WITH CLAY ELECTRIC, AND IT IS IN THE PROCESS AS SOON AS WE GET THE APPLICATION CLEARED UP WITH CLAY ELECTRIC, IT WILL BE TURNED ON. WE WERE HOPING THIS 
          WEEK. >> PEOPLE ARE CONCERNED THE 
          PEOPLE WILL RUN INTO IT. >> IMMUNE, IT WON'T/WILL PEOPLE ARE DRIVING BY IT. THEY WILL HAVE TO DRIVE PAST OR THROUGH QUITE A BIT OF YELLOW DASHED LINES , AND THEY WILL HAVE TO JUMP A CURB TO HIT IT. BECAUSE THEY HAD IT? YES. I UNDERSTAND THAT. IT WILL NOT PASS FLASH CONTINUOUSLY, AND 
          FLASHING WHEN PEOPLE CROSS. >> AND THIS IS COMPARABLE TO ANY OTHER AREA THAT SOMEONE WOULD HAVE? OKAY. I SPOKE TO RICHARD EARLIER ABOUT POSSIBLY A RIGHT TURN LANE OR JUST SOMETHING THAT COULD RESEMBLE A RIGHT TURN LANE GOING WEST ON 315, MUCH LIKE WHAT WE DID ON SANDRIDGE AND RUSSELL, AND HE SAID THAT MIGHT BE DOABLE. SO, IF WE COULD TALK FURTHER ABOUT 
          THAT? >> WE WOULD HAVE TO, AGAIN, IF YOU WANT ME TO REACH OUT TO RICHARD, AND WE STAY IN CLOSE CONTACT. NO PROMISES AT THIS POINT. 
          >> OKAY. HAS THERE BEEN A WORD ABOUT , YOU KNOW THAT PEOPLE ARE ALREADY STANDING STILL. DO WE KNOW WAS A BETTER THIS 
          AFTERNOON? >> AS A MATTER OF FACT, DURING THE WHOLE INTRODUCTION OF GOING BACK AND FORTH, LOOK AT THE DISTANCES IN TIME, BUT THE LEASE TO THAT AREA, BOTH WAYS WERE AVERAGING ABOUT EIGHT MINUTES . AT THE BEGINNING OF THE EVENING, IT WAS FOUR MINUTES. THEN THERE WAS AN UPDATE THAT WAS 11 MINUTES. IT IS AN 11 OR 12 MINUTE DELAY. 
          BUT REMEMBER, THAT'S TAKING TRAFFIC FROM TWO ROADS THAT WERE ALREADY TWO LINK ADJUSTED ROADS, PUTTING IT ON 12 LANE ROAD. AGAIN, THAT'S WHY WE ASKED TO ADJUST THE DRIVETIME ACCORDINGLY. AND AGAIN, IF YOU CAN, TAKE A DIFFERENT ROUTE OR AVOID THE AREA, AT LEAST FOR THE NEXT COUPLE OF DAYS OR FEW WEEKS. THE DETOUR DOES WENT INTO EFFECT YESTERDAY , AND WE DO APPRECIATE THE SUPPORT FROM THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE THAT HAS BEEN HELPING US WITH THE DETOUR AND REROUTES THAT HAVE BEEN HELPING , CONTINUOUSLY SUPPORTING. 
          >> I WOULD STRONGLY URGE EVERYONE , YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ARE MAKING CUT THROUGH THAT NORMALLY WOULD NOT. JUST PLEASE 
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BE CAREFUL. WE HAVE A LOT OF PEDESTRIANS AND WE DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO GET HURT. THE ROUNDABOUT , WITH ARMY CORPS, 
          WILL THAT AFFECT OUR BOND? >> RIGHT NOW, WE ARE JUST FORECASTING THE BONDS WITH THE CASH FLOW. WE WILL CONTINUE TO MONITOR THAT. I CAN'T SAY WE HAVE GOTTEN ANY PROMISES OUT OF A RECORDER THAT DOES NOT HAPPEN, BUT WE HAVE ENLISTED THE HIGHEST THAT WE CAN FOR A CONTRACT. I ACTUALLY GOT AN EMAIL JUST BEFORE THIS MEETING AT 4:59 -- EXCUSE ME, 3:59. 
          THEY HAVE NOT HAD ANY RESPONSES. I DON'T THINK I CAN GET ANY BETTER REPRESENTATION THAN THAT . THEY HAVE BEEN VERY SUPPORTIVE. AGAIN, THEY WERE THE ONES WHO HELPED US WITH THE PARKWAY PERMIT WHEN WE WERE HAVING A DIFFICULT TIME WITH 
          THAT. >> AND AS FAR AS A RAILROAD TRACK CLOSING , I MEAN, THERE IS NO OTHER SOLUTION. YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO WORK WITH CXX , AND TO GET THAT DONE, THERE IS REALLY NO OTHER WAY. I KNOW PEOPLE HAVE A HARD TIME UNDERSTANDING THAT , BUT YOU CAN'T JUST OPEN AT CERTAIN 
          TIMES AND THEN CLOSE IT. >> YES, MA'AM. IT WAS TO HAVE FOR THREE YEARS AGO WHEN WE MET AT RUSSELL BAPTIST? WE HAD THE CROSS-SECTION OF THE ROAD AND WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE , WITH TWO LANES OF ASPHALT ON SAND WITH BASICALLY BIKE LANES AT THAT INTERSECTION. THERE'S NO WAY TO CREATE A CORRECT ELEVATION WITHOUT SHUTTING AN ENTIRE SECTION DOWN , AND ALSO DOING RAILROAD WORK. YOU KNOW? THE POLICE ACADEMY CAN'T STEP WITHIN THE RAILROAD RIGHT-OF-WAY. THEY HAVE TO DO THAT PART , AND THAT THE TIME THAT THEY HAVE ASKED. AND AGAIN, COMING TO THE FASTEST AND QUICKEST SOLUTION WAS OBVIOUSLY THE DIRECTION THAT WE ARE AT RIGHT NOW. 
          >> AS FAR AS IS DOING THIS WORK, AND WHAT PEOPLE COMMENT ABOUT US DOING ALL OF THIS WORK ALL AT THE SAME TIME. YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THAT HAD TO BE THE CASE. I MEAN PERSONALLY , YOU KNOW, IT'S HARDER TO GET IT ALL DONE AS FAST AND AS CLOSE TOGETHER AS WE ARE, BUT DRAGGING IT OUT WOULD ALSO BE TREACHEROUS FOR EVERYONE. BUT THERE IS A MAIN REASON WHY WE ARE DOING IT THE WAY WE ARE DOING IT. 
          >> YES, MA'AM. A MAJOR PORTION OF THE FUNDS HAVE TO BE EXTENDED BY MARCH OF 2025, WHICH IS JUST AROUND THE CORNER, WHICH IS A CONSIDERABLE PORTION OF PROJECTS TO THIS TIME TIED TO THE BOND FUNDS. WE JUST FINISHED THE PROJECT 3A , AND AGAIN, THERE WAS A SIGNIFICANT PORTION OF THE BOND FUNDS, AND EARLIER IN THE REPORT , WE HAVE APPROACH THE 100 MILLION MARK FOR THE BOND PROGRAM . YOU CAN TAKE IT AND DRAG IT OUT IN MULTIPLE YEARS , BUT THAT HAS NOT COME TO THE BOND THAT WAS SIGNED UNFORTUNATELY. 
          >> GOING ALONG WITH THAT, SORRY, THIS IS PART OF MY THINKING HAND, SO I'M ADDING TO THAT. BECAUSE THEY HEAR IT ALL THE TIME NOW , YOU KNOW, AND UNDERSTANDABLY SO. EVERYONE IS FRUSTRATED AND IT IS TOUGH RIGHT NOW. BUT AS FAR AS OUR BOND, I MEAN, WE WOULD NOT BE HAVING THESE INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS AT ALL IF WE DO NOT HAVE THE BOND . IF WE DO NOT HAVE THOSE RULES, WE DIDN'T HAVE THE MONEY IN THE PAST FOR THE RULES WE ARE GETTING RIGHT NOW. WE HAVE IT NOW THANKS TO THAT BOND. SO, THAT'S ANOTHER REASON WHY WE HAVE TO BE PATIENT AND IT WILL BE GOOD AT THE END. WE JUST 
          HAVE TO GET THERE. >> YES, MA'AM. 
          >> THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME GET THAT OUT. 
          >> ANY MORE QUESTIONS FOR IT? >> I HAVE A QUESTION. WERE WE ABLE TO GET THAT FLASHING CAUTION LIGHT BACK WORKING FOR MAKEUP PARK? THEY CONTROLLED THE LIGHT, BUT WHEN THEY 
          RELOCATED IT -- >> I WAS OUT THERE TODAY, AND I DID NOT CHECK THE LIGHTS. I WILL GET BACK TO YOU ON THAT. 
          >> I THINK THEY HAVE TO ACTIVATE IT . THE BALL FIELD ACTIVATES ITS, IT WAS WORKING IN ONE DIRECTION BUT NOT IN THE 
          OTHER. >> I THINK THERE WAS A PROBLEM WITH THE ELECTRICIAN PORTION, AND WE ARE GOING TO GET IN CONTACT FOR THOSE LIGHTS. I DID BRING IT TO THE ATTENTION OF THE UNIVERSITY OF COLUMBIA CONTRACTOR , AND I HAVE NOT 
          HEARD BACK FROM THEM OR NOT. >> THEY STARTED THEIR FALL SEASON , SO THEY HAVE, GOSH, NOT THIS PAST SATURDAY BUT THE 
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SATURDAY BEFORE, THEY HAD HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE OUT FOR ALL THINGS. THEY HAVE LOTS OF PEOPLE THERE ON THE WEEKENDS 
          ESPECIALLY. >> I WILL TAKE A LOOK. 
          >> THANK YOU. >> YES, MA'AM. 
          >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU VERY MUCH, ED. 
          [32.  Veterans Park Study Discussion (J. Pierce)]
          >> THANK YOU, SIR. >> LET'S MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER 32 , VETERANS PARK STUDY DISCUSSION. YES? 
          >> GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS. JUSTIN PIERCE, DIRECTORS OF PARK AND REC. THE BUDGET WORKED OUT IN AUGUST OF 2023 . THE BOARD ASKED STAFF TO CONDUCT A FEASIBILITY STUDY FOR THE 400 -- EXCUSE ME, 641 ACRES VETERANS PARK PARCEL THAT MAY HAVE BEEN REQUIRED. FUNDING WAS ALLOCATED WORKING WITH , YOU KNOW, KAREN AND HER TEAM TO REVISE A SCOPE, THE FIRST BEING PHASE ONE OF THE FEASIBILITY STUDY , AND HOW MUCH ACCESS TO PROPERTY CAN YOU ACCESS PROPERTY? PLUS, ALLOWING THE PROPERTY TO USE AGREEMENT THAT HAVE BEEN PUT IN PLACE FOR 20 YEARS . IF WE WANTED TO CHANGE THE USAGE FROM PASSIVE TO ACTIVE, WHAT WOULD THE PROCESS BE? IN THE SECOND PHASE OF THAT WOULD BE A SITE PLAN AND POTENTIAL MASTER PLAN IF APPROVED AFTER THE PRESENTATION . WITH ME, I HAVE KIMBERLY WARREN AND ANDY FERRIS, WHO IS OUR NATURAL RESOURCES DIRECTOR FOR THE PARKS AND REC DEPARTMENT. WE MET WITH EACH OF YOU AND DISCUSSED THE TWO RESULTS OF THAT INITIAL STUDY, AND WE WILL GO OVER THAT TODAY AND MOVE FORWARD. 
          >> YES. LET ME GRAB THE CLICKER HERE FOR YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE TIME THIS EVENING TO TALK ABOUT THE PROGRESS OF VETERANS PARK HERE. BUILDING OFF OF WE HAD DISCUSSED WITH EACH OF YOU INDIVIDUALLY , I WOULD JUST HIGHLIGHT AGAIN THE OVERALL SCHEDULES . THIS IS A MULTIPHASE APPROACH. THE FIRST PHASE WAS DATA COLLECTION ANY FEASIBILITY STUDY, AND THAT IS WHAT WE WILL BE HIGHLIGHTING HERE THIS EVENING, AND AN OPTION TWO IS PHASE TWO, WHICH IS THE SITE PLAN DEVELOPMENT AND PLAN VIEW APPROVAL OF THAT. SO, WILL HIGHLIGHT THAT AT THE VERY END. YOU WILL SEE AT THE VERY BOTTOM OF THE BLUE BOXES THERE ARE TONIGHT'S UPDATES, AS WELL AS A LIST OF STAKEHOLDERS THAT WE SPOKE WITH THROUGH THIS PROCESS. THIS INCLUDES ALL ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS , AS WELL AS THE NORTHEAST FOR REGIONAL COUNSEL. THROUGH THIS PROJECT, WE WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT A FEW THINGS WHEN IT COMES TO FEASIBILITY. ONE OF THE PURPOSES HERE WAS TO REALLY UNDERSTAND THE RESTRICTIONS THAT MAY BE PLACED ON THE PROPERTY OR ANY OTHER ENTITY IS AN THOSE THINGS. THERE WERE SEVERAL WE WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT HERE THAT DO IMPACT ELEMENTS THAT COULD INFLUENCE THE FEASIBILITY OF CHANGES TO THE SITE FOR RECREATION PURPOSES . 
          THE FIRST IS THE D2 RESTRICTIONS PROPERTY , OVER 640 ACRES OF PARKLAND THAT THE COUNTY HAS OWNED SINCE 2000. 
          AND WAS ACQUIRED THROUGH THE FEDERAL LANDS TO PARKS PROGRAM . THIS IS QUITE A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF PARKLAND FOR THE COUNTY , HOWEVER, IT IS VERY REMOTE. IT IS ON THE NORTH LIMITS OF THE COUNTY , AND ACCESS TO IT IS VERY LIMITED. 
          IT IS A HIKE AND RIDING FACILITY ONLY. THERE IS NO VEHICLE ACCESS TO THE SITE TODAY , SO THAT IS A LIMITING FACTOR IN TERMS OF ACCESSIBILITY. THE DEEP RESTRICTIONS ON THE PROPERTY REQUIRES THAT THE PROPERTY USE FOR PASSIVE RECREATION IS IN PERPETUITY. THE CHANGES TO THAT WOULD BE RESULTING PROPERTY BE RETURNED BACK TO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. THERE ARE OTHER ADDITIONAL DEED RESTRICTIONS AND RESULTS OF REVENUE THAT ARE GENERATED FROM THE SITE. 
          HISTORICALLY, THE SITE HAS BEEN UTILIZED FOR TIMBER PRODUCTION AND RAISING, AND THOSE USES COULD BE INCLUDED IN THE FUTURE. HOWEVER, ANY REVENUE GENERATED ON THE SITE MUST BE EXPENDED ON THE SITE , AS WELL AS MOVEMENTS TO THE SITE UNTIL THE PROGRAM FOR THE SITE IS COMPLETED. IN THAT PROGRAM IS PART OF THE APPLICATION FOR THE ACQUISITION SITE. NOW, IN THE 
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10 YEARS OR OVER 25 YEARS OF ACQUISITION OF THE SITE, THE TENURE RECOMMENDATION SITE PLAN WAS NOT IMPLEMENTED . CONTRACTS EXECUTED WITH THE STATE IMPLEMENT TIMBER MANAGEMENT ON THE SITE. IN FACT, THE TIMBERS THAT OVER THE LAST 25 YEARS, AND HAS GROWN IN THE CITY FOR VALUE TO THE COUNTY. ANOTHER RESTRICTION IS AN MOU THAT THE COUNTY HAD PRIOR TO THAT ACQUISITION. I WAS PRIOR TO 1997 WITH THE CITY OF JACKSONVILLE WITH THE FLORIDA DEP AND THE WATER DISTRICT. 
          THIS ALSO DEFINED THE PURPOSE OF THE SITE AS PART OF THE CECIL FIELD CONSERVATION CORRIDOR AS A BUFFER TO THEIR WORK , AND THIS ALLOWED FOR PASSIVE RECREATION USES AS WELL. FOR THAT, AGAIN, THAT WAS DEFINED AS HIKING OPPORTUNITY IS , PICNICKING, AND CAMPING AS PASSIVE RECREATION. CHANGES TO THOSE TWO ITEMS FOR THE DEED RESEARCH AND WOULD HAVE TO BE MODIFIED WITH AN AMOUNT AMENDMENT TO THE PROGRAM FOR UTILIZATION, AND I'LL HAVE TO BE SUBMITTED TO THE NATIONAL PARK SERVICE, AND THEN APPROVED BY THE DEPARTMENT OF INTERIOR AND SECRETARY. AS WELL AS THE CECIL FIELD CONSERVATION CORRIDOR, AGAIN, THAT MOU WOULD HAVE TO BE AMENDED AND ALL PARTIES WOULD HAVE TO AGREE TO THAT. THERE ARE MULTIPLE PARTIES TO THAT AGREEMENT THAT HAVE ADJACENT LAND USES AND MANAGEMENT NEEDS THAT CHANGES MIGHT BE IN CONFLICT WITH. SO, THOSE ARE THE TWO PRIMARY FEASIBLE ITEMS WHEN IT COMES TO REGULATIONS ON THE PROPERTY ITSELF. THERE ARE CERTAINLY PHYSICAL ELEMENTS, NATURAL ELEMENTS OF THE SITE THAT WE WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT . AS YOU NOTICED ON THE MAP ON THE SCREEN, THE MORE COLORS THAT YOU SEE ON THE PROPERTY ITSELF REPRESENTS THE DIFFERENT CONSTRAINTS. AND WHAT WE WILL NOTICE IS THE PROPERTIES IN THE TWO PARCELS, THE EASTERN PARCEL HAS THE MOST OF THOSE COLORED BOXES ON THEIR, AND THOSE REPRESENT ITEMS SUCH AS THE MAGENTA COLORS AND THE POTENTIAL AREAS FOR HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE TO THE SITE , AS WELL AS WHAT LENS AND FLOOD ZONES THROUGHOUT THE EASTERN PORTION. THE WESTERN AREA OF THE SITE, WHICH CURRENTLY HAS PUBLIC ACCESS TO THE HIKING AND RIDING GATE , THAT'S ACTUALLY A LITTLE BIT MORE CONDUCIVE TO POTENTIAL PASSIVE RECREATION DEVELOPMENT , WITH A LITTLE BIT MORE LIMITED AMOUNTS OF WETLANDS ON THE SITE. WE LOOKED AT A NUMBER OF OTHER ELEMENTS YOUR IN TERMS OF SURROUNDING LAND USE , MANAGEMENT PRACTICES, AND VERY MENTAL CONSIDERATIONS , REGIONAL CONNECTIVITY, AND EVEN IMPACTS SECEDED WITH THE AIRPORT IN TERMS OF HIKING RESTRICTIONS AND NOISE IMPACT ASSOCIATED PRIMARILY, AGAIN, IMPACTING THE EASTERN PARCEL OF THE SITE. AS WE TALK ABOUT THE REGIONAL CONNECTIVITY, I WANT TO SPEND JUST A MOMENT ON THIS, BECAUSE AS WE MOVE ON FROM THE REGULATORY CONSTRAINTS FROM THE SITES, ACCESS WAS ANOTHER KEY ELEMENT OF FEASIBILITY THAT WE LOOKED AT. THE MAIN PART OF AXES THAT WE LOOKED AT WAS IN TERMS OF PEDESTRIAN VEHICLE ACCESS, AND THE OPPORTUNITIES AROUND THE SITE FOR EACH OF THOSE TO BE POTENTIALLY IMPROVED ON. AS YOU NOTED WITH THE EASTERN PARCEL , IT'S QUITE RESTRICTIVE IN TERMS OF IMPACTS ASSOCIATED WITHIN THE SITE, BOTH NATURAL AND REGULATORY RESTRICTIONS , BUT THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES ARE ALSO PRIMARILY PRIVATE IN THE CONSERVATION EASEMENT. THIS WOULD FURTHER RESTRICT HAVING ADDITIONAL PUBLIC ACCESS FROM THE EAST INTO THE SITE. FOR BOTH PEDESTRIAN AND QR ACCESSES. EXTENSION OF LANDS WAS ALSO LOOKED AT . CURRENTLY, THE BRIGHT GREEN LINE REPRESENTS THE END-OF-LIFE . 
          THERE IS AN ABSENCE OF PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAYS EXTENDED TO VETERANS PARK, AS WELL AS POTENTIAL HYDROLOGY IMPACTS ASSOCIATED WITH EXTENSION OF ROADWAYS TO VETERANS PARK. 
          THROUGH OUR CONVERSATIONS WITH STAKEHOLDERS, WE WERE ABLE TO OBTAIN A SIGNIFICANT PROGRESS IN WORKING WITH THE STATE FOREST AS THEY ARE UNDERTAKING THEIR LAND MANAGEMENT PLAN UPDATE. AS PART OF THE MEDICATIONS WITH STATE FOR STAFF, THEY HAVE AGREED TO INCLUDE OUR RECOMMENDATION IN THEIR DRAFT MANAGEMENT PLAN TO INCLUDE UPGRADES TO THE SPENCER GRADE ROAD TO A POTENTIAL SECONDARY STATE FOREST GROUP , AND THAT IS SHOWN WITH THE GREEN DASHED LINE EXTENDING TO THE EXISTING GATED ACCESS THAT IS THERE TODAY. THAT IS APPROXIMATELY JUST UNDER A MILE IN LENGTH OF UPGRADES . THAT 
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WOULD BE INCLUDED, THERE AGAIN, AND THEIR FIVE-YEAR BRIDGE ROADWAY AND APPROVED PLANS. IT IS A COUPLE SIGNIFICANT BARRIERS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT, BEING REALIZED THE ONE IS THE ROOT OF THAT HAVE TO BE IMPROVED, AND ULTIMATELY ANALYZED FOR CONSIDERATION TO BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC ONCE COMPLETED, AND THE IMPROVEMENTS THEMSELVES WE NEED TO OBTAIN FUNDING FROM THE CITY OF FLORIDA. SO, THAT WOULD BE , THAT A PERMIT WOULD BE FULLY FUNDED AND MAINTAINED BY THE STATE FOREST. WE ALSO LOOKED AT OTHER ALTERNATIVES FOR VEHICLE ACCESS. ANOTHER ALTERNATIVE ROUTE HIGHLIGHT IS ROUTE 2, SHORT IN THE ORANGE LINE ON THE MAP ON THE LEFT , AND IS APPROXIMATELY A FOUR MILE ROUTE FROM THE EXISTING OVERHEAD UTILITY EASEMENTS . THIS WOULD UTILIZE A SECONDARY FIRE STATE FOREST ROAD THAT IS OPEN TO THE PUBLIC TODAY AS PART OF THE SOLID ORANGE LINE, AND THEN THE NORTHERN IS RIGHT ON THE COUNTY LINE. THERE WOULD BE A NEED TO EXTEND APPROXIMATELY .7 MILES IN ADDITIONAL ROUTES THROUGH THE CECIL FIELD CONSERVATION COURT OR, AND THE REQUIRE EXTENSIVE COORDINATION , SO THAT WAS IDENTIFIED AS A CURRENTLY NOT FEASIBLE PART. 
          OUR ONLY FEASIBLE OPTION IN TERMS OF VEHICLE ACCESS WOULD BE THE ROUTE SHOWN IN THE GREEN LINE IN COORDINATION WITH THE STATE FOREST. AS FAR AS PEDESTRIAN ACCESS , THE MAP ON THE RIGHT INDICATES THE CONNECTIVITY AND THE POTENTIAL SIGNIFICANCE THE VETERANS PARK PLAYS REGIONALLY IN TERMS OF THE TRAIL NETWORK THAT WOULD CONNECT DIESEL FUEL CONSERVATION CORRIDORS WITH DREAM STATE FOREST. VETERANS PARK IS SHOWN IN THE YELLOW STAR, AND YOU CAN SEE THE PARTS MECHANIC AGE WITH A NETWORK OF EXISTING AND PLAN PROPOSED TRAILS . CURRENTLY, THE COUNTY IS WORKING ON A PAVED TRAIL ALONG LIVE OAK LANE THAT IS AND COORDINATION ALONG WITH THE IMPROVEMENTS FOR LIVE OAK LANE. THAT WOULD END IN A FIRE AND WATER TRAILHEAD AT JUNIOR STATE FOREST, BUT THAT WOULD NOT EXTEND TO VETERANS PARK, AS I WOULD BE A PASS THROUGH TO STATE FOREST. THE CURRENTLY IS NOT AN OPTION IN TERMS OF BEHAVIORAL TRAIL OPTION FOR CONNECTIVITY , BUT MULTIPLE ROUTES ARE IDENTIFIED FOR POTENTIAL REGIONAL UNPAVED TRAIL CONNECTIONS THAT CONNECT OVER A 20 MILE LONG CORRIDOR. 
          IN TERMS OF THE UPGRADES TO THE ROAD WOULD BE CROSS SECTIONS. 
          WOULD BE APPROXIMATELY A 16 GRAVEL ROADWAY THAT WOULD CONNECT DIRECTLY TO THE PROPERTY LINE OF VETERANS PARK, AND THIS WOULD REPRESENT ACCESS BOTH FOR VEHICLE AND PEDESTRIAN ACCESS , AND WOULD TIE INTO AN EXISTING TRAIL NETWORK FOR VIRGINIA STATE FOREST. THIS WOULD BE ULTIMATELY MANAGED BY THE FOREST AND OPERATING WITHIN THEIR HOURS OF A PROXIMALLY 90 MINUTES BEFORE SUNRISE AND 90 MINUTES AFTER SUNSET. WE DID PUT SOME PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT OPPORTUNITIES THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS. WE HAD A PUBLIC IN PERSON EVENT ON JULY 30TH . 
          SADLY, THAT WAS NOT AS WELL ATTENDED AS WE HAD HOPED AS WELL AS IN PERSON PARTICIPATION. WE DID HAVE GREAT ONLINE PARTICIPATION THROUGH THIS PROCESS WITH OVER 520 RESPONSES WITH ABOUT 97% FROM COUNTY RESIDENCES . SO, THE FIGURES THAT WE WILL SEE HERE ON THE SCREEN AND NECK SCREEN, PROBABLY THOSE RESPONSES FROM COUNTY RESIDENTS ARE THROUGH THIS. OVER 85% OF RESPONDENTS DID NOT KNOW ABOUT VETERANS PARK OR HOW IT WAS ACQUIRED , SO THAT IS ONE OF THE BIGGEST CHALLENGES, AGAIN, WITH ITS REMOTENESS OR LACK OF UTILIZATION THAT A LOT OF RESIDENCE AND WE DO NOT KNOW ABOUT THIS TREASURE WITHIN THE COUNTY. 
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AND THEN, MOST OF THE OTHERS ARE IN SINGLE DIGITS IN THERE. 
          AS FAR AS PAVED TRAILS, AS WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT, THERE WERE SOME CHALLENGES WITH RECOGNIZING CONNECTIONS TO VETERANS PARK, BUT HOW WE ARE IN PET VETERANS PARK PAVED TRAILS CAN BE AND LAMENTED . THERE ARE EXISTING UNPAVED TRAILS IN THE AREA AS WELL AS FIRE LIENS BEING USED AS TRAILS THROUGHOUT THE PARK, SO EXPANSIVE UNPAID TRAILS CAN BE A LOW HANGING FRUIT IN TERMS OF IMPLEMENTATION. RESTROOMS IS ANOTHER CHALLENGING AMENITY TO PROVIDE , PROVIDED THAT THERE ARE NO EXISTING UTILITIES AND UPLAND UTILITIES OR EXTENSIONS TO VETERANS PARK. SO, ANY RESTROOMS WOULD NEED TO BE REMOTE . AS FAR AS THE STATE FOREST, THERE OF THE PLAN DOES NOT INCLUDE ANY RECOMMENDATIONS FOR ADDITIONAL RESTROOMS NEAR VETERANS PARK . ADDITIONAL RESTROOMS WOULD LIKELY NEED TO BE FROM CLAY COUNTY AND VETERANS PARK. THE GRAPH ON THE RIGHT REPRESENTS OPPORTUNITIES OR OUTCOMES THAT ARE MOST IMPORTANT TO HAVE A VETERANS PARK, AND THIS IS A WIDE RANGE OF DIFFERENT OPPORTUNITIES , FOR PRESERVING AND PROTECTING NATURAL RESOURCES TO PROVIDING EDUCATIONAL OPPORTUNITIES. 
          THERE ARE TWO COLORS WITH THIS BAR CHART. THE BLUE REPRESENTS THE SINGLE TOP CHOICE THAT RESPONDENTS INDICATED, AS WELL AS IN THE GREEN LINES REPRESENTING THOSE IN THEIR TOP THREE CHOICES. SO, LOOKING AT THE BLUE LINE 1ST , YOU WILL SEE SIGNIFICANT OUTSTANDING , NUMBER ONE, THAT IS PRESERVED AND PROTECTED UNIQUE NATURAL RESOURCES OF VETERANS PARK, 40 FORWARD PERCENT OF ALL RESPONDENTS THING THAT I WAS THE NUMBER ONE OUTCOME THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE A VETERANS PARK. NUMBER TWO AT 23% WAS PROVIDING HIKING, BIKING, AND WALKING PATH OPPORTUNITIES. AS WE LOOK AT THE TOP THREE CHOICES , THERE IS A SLIGHT CHANGE IN TERMS OF THOSE RESULTS. NUMBER ONE AND TWO IN TERMS OF PRESERVING TRAIL OPPORTUNITIES WERE ALMOST TIED , BUT YOU WILL SEE A SECONDARY CLUSTERING OF THE NEXT THREE OPTIONS, AND THAT IS PROVIDING CAMPING OPPORTUNITIES, AS WELL AS PROVIDING FAMILY-ORIENTED ACTIVITIES , SUCH AS PICNICKING FACILITIES OR NATURE THEMED PLAY AREA , AS WELL AS MINIMIZING THE FOOTPRINT OF AMENITIES AND FACILITIES PRESERVED FOR NATURAL RESOURCES. IN SUMMARIZING THE FEASIBILITY STUDY, WE LOOKED AT ALMOST 40 DIFFERENT METRICS OF FEASIBILITY, AND RANKED THOSE AS EITHER HIGH POTENTIAL IMPACTS , MEDIUM IMPACTS, OR LOW IMPACTS IN TERMS OF FEASIBILITY . THERE ARE BRIEF NOTES ASSOCIATED WITH EACH. YOU WILL SEE A NUMBER OF THE HIGH REPRESENTED IN TERMS OF ACCESS. 
          CURRENTLY, THOSE ACCESS CHALLENGES INCLUDE LACK OF PUBLIC RIGHT-OF-WAY ACCESS, DIFFICULTY WITH EMERGENCY ACCESS , AS WELL AS A LACK OF UTILITIES TO THE SITE . LET'S REPRESENT SOME OF THOSE HIGH SCORES. NOW, RATING THOSE ACROSS ON A SCALE OF ZERO TO 100 , WITH 100 REPRESENTING A HIGH LEVEL OF IMPACTS , THEREFORE LOW VISIBILITY TO FURTHER DEVELOP AN OF THE SITE, VETERANS PARK OR DRINK ABOUT 43 ON THAT SCALE , REVISITING JUST A LITTLE BIT TOWARDS THE LOWER SIDE, LOWER MEDIUM SIDE OF IMPACTS OVERALL. ONE OF MY LAST THINGS TO HIGHLIGHT WITH FEASIBILITY WAS, IN ADDITION TO THE ACCESS AND MOU RESTRICTIONS, THERE WAS ALSO , IN REGARDS TO THE CURRENT ZONING OF THE SITES, THIS CURRENT CULTURE, WHICH ALIGNS WITH HISTORIC USE , AS TIMBER AND GRAZING LANDS . MOST PARK PROPERTIES ARE REPRESENTED IN '02 THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY , AND THAT THE ZONING THAT ALLOWS FOR PERMITS PARK USES. IN ADDITION TO THAT, THE KURT COUNTY IS CURRENTLY DEVELOPING AIRPORT ZONING IN THE EASTERN PARCEL, WHICH IS INCLUDED IN THE POTENTIAL AIRPORT ZONING . 
          SO, THE CURRENTLY WHICH OF THE AIRPORT ZONING DOES NOT PERMIT USE OF PARK USES WITHIN THAT. SO, FOR THE CORONATION ACROSS THOSE DIFFERENT ZONING'S WOULD BE NEEDED BASED OFF OF THE POTENTIAL FUTURE USES OF THE SITE. IN SUMMARY, THE OPTIONS ARE VERY SIGNIFICANT WITHIN THE SITE. THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES TO, AGAIN, HIGHLIGHT UNIQUE NATURAL ELEMENTS OF THE SITE . 
          IT IS ALSO AREAS THAT ARE VERY CONDUCIVE TO FURTHER DEVELOPMENT WITH PASSIVE RECREATION WITHIN THE WESTERN PARCEL PARTICULARLY. THE BLUE DOTS ON THIS LINE WORK ON THIS GRAPHIC THAT SHOWS AREAS THAT COULD BE THE PRIMARY ACCESS POINT, AS WELL AS PRIMARY FOCUS AREAS FOR PASSIVE RECREATION AMENITIES, WHILE THE EASTERN PARCEL IS REALLY RETAINED FOR 
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SOME OF ITS NATURAL RESOURCES , AS WELL AS ITS SIGNIFICANT WETLANDS AND FOOT PRONE AREAS AND ITS SENSITIVE HABITATS. , SOME OF THE OTHER TAKEAWAYS AND RESTRAINTS INCLUDE THE OPPORTUNITY TO INCLUDE TIMBER MANAGEMENT PRACTICES ON-SITE IN TERMS OF COLLABORATING WITH THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS AND LAND MANAGEMENT AMENITIES. FOR MORE CONDUCIVE, MORE HOLISTIC APPROACHES OVER MANAGEMENT. AT THIS TIME, THE TIMBER ON THE SITE COULD REPRESENT A HAZARD TO THE AREA IN TERMS OF ITS DENSITY , BUT AGAIN, IT HAS A POTENTIAL VALUE TO THE COUNTY IN TERMS OF PRODUCING A REGULAR STREAM OF INCOME FOR THE SITES, WHICH COULD ACTUALLY POTENTIALLY CREATE A PARK THAT IS SELF-SUFFICIENT IN TERMS OF ITS MANAGEMENT NEEDS AND HIS POTENTIAL CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT NEEDS. ONCE A PLAN FOR THE PROGRAM OF UTILIZATION IS COMPLETED , AS THE RESARCH AND SPECIFIES, THEN FUNDS COULD ULTIMATELY BE USED ELSEWHERE WITHIN THE COUNTY TO HELP SUPPORT OTHER NATURAL RESOURCE AND OTHER PARK AND REC OPPORTUNITIES. THERE'S ALSO THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THIS SITE REALLY SERVE AS A REGIONAL DESTINATION AND HAVE OR NOTE ALONG THE REGIONAL NATIONAL RESOURCE BASE ON THE TRAIL NETWORK THAT CONNECTS CECIL FIELD CONSERVATION CORRIDORS AND UNION STATE FOREST. 
          THERE'S ALSO THE POTENTIAL TO, AGAIN, HIGHLIGHT OR IMPROVE THE ACCESS ALONG THE SPENCER GRADE ROAD BY THE STATE FOREST ROADWAY ACCESS TO THE SITE , WHICH WOULD CERTAINLY IMPROVE ACCESS TO THE SITE ITSELF , AND LASTLY, THE ADDITION TO PASSIVE RECREATION OPPORTUNITIES REALLY CAN COMPLEMENT THE SURROUNDING OPPORTUNITIES THAT ARE ALREADY THERE THAT INCLUDE PASSIVE USES , BUT THE COUNTY, AGAIN, HAS A LITTLE BIT MORE FLEXIBILITY WITH HIS PROPERTY TO MAYBE ALLOW FOR SOME RECREATION PROPERTY OPPORTUNITIES SUCH AS MOUNTAIN BIKE COURSES OR ROPES COURSES THAT ARE NOT OFFERED IN THE CECIL FIELD CONSERVATION QUARTER. SO, FOUR MAIN RECOMMENDATIONS HERE. THE FIRST IS TO PROCEED WITH PHASE TWO SITE PLAN DEVELOPMENT. THIS IS RECOMMENDED BECAUSE WITHOUT A REVISED SITE PLAN, CLAY COUNTY REMAINS TO THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE FORMER PROGRAM FOR UTILIZATION , WHICH WAS INCLUDED AS PART OF THE APPLICATION FOR ACQUISITION FOR ALMOST 25 YEARS AGO. BY UPDATING THIS PLAN, IT REPRESENTS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE COUNTY TO BETTER ALIGN THE SITE WITH THE CURRENT AND FUTURE RESIDENTS NEEDS FOR RECOMMENDATION. CERTAINLY IS A GROWING COUNTY, WE HAVE GROWN AND CHANGED A LOT IN TERMS OF WHAT FOLKS VALUE FOR OUTDOOR RECREATION THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY. ADDITIONALLY, INCLUDING , AS PART OF PHASE TWO, ADDITIONAL PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT OPPORTUNITIES , SPECIFICALLY IN PERSON OPPORTUNITIES WOULD BE RECOMMENDED WITH THOSE, AS WE HAVE LOW IN PRISON FOR DISSIPATION WITH THE FEASIBILITY STUDY, DEVELOP THE SITE PLANS IS VERY CONDUCIVE TO HAVING THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT THROUGH THAT PROCESS AS WELL. 
          NUMBER TWO, REVIEW THE SITE ZONING. AS WE MENTIONED, CURRENT ZONING ALIGNS WITH THE CURRENT CULTURAL USES . IN TERMS OF PARK AND/OR AIRPORT ZONING, WE DO HAVE MAYBE SOME COORDINATION NEEDED TO MAKE SURE THAT ITS CURRENT OR FUTURE LAND USES OF THE SITE ARE ALIGNED WITH THE PERMITTED USES. NUMBER THREE, AS PRIORITIZED, EXPLORING THE FORMER INTENT BY THE COUNTY TO CONTRACT WITH THE STATE FOR TIMBER MANAGEMENT SERVICES , AND IDEALLY, COMPLETE A THINNING OF THE TIMBER, AND UTILIZE THE REVENUE GENERATED BY THAT FOR THE MANAGEMENT OF THE SITE , AS WELL AS CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS. AND LASTLY, THIS IS CONSIDERED A NAME CHANGE FOR THE SITE. WE DID GET A LOT OF WRITING COMMENTS FROM THE PROCESS ABOUT THE NAMES VETERANS PARK, AND OF THE PARK AND ULTIMATELY HONOR THAT NAMESAKE, HOWEVER, THE USE OF THE TERM PARK MIGHT NOT FULLY ALIGN WITH THE USERS EXPECTATIONS WHEN IT BECOMES , WITH PASSIVE OR ACTIVE RECREATION. SO, THE POTENTIAL TO CONSIDER VETERANS PRESERVE OR ANOTHER TYPE OF NAME THAT COULD ALIGN WITH THE NATURAL RESOURCE FOCUS FOR CURRENT OR FUTURE PASSIVE OFFERINGS MAY BETTER ALIGN WITH THAT IN TERMS OF THE NAME WHILE HONORING THE NAMESAKE FOR THE COUNTY. AND THAT COMPLETE THE PRESENTATION. 
          >> INTERESTING CHALLENGE HERE. DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ? 
          >> I DON'T HAVE QUESTIONS, I JUST HAVE COMMENTS. SO, IT'S 
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VERY CLEAR TO ME THAT IN THIS PROCESS, WE FOCUSED ON THE WRONG DISTRICT , AND WE HAVE NOT INCLUDED ANYONE FROM DISTRICT 4. THE PUBLIC MEETING WAS IN DISTRICT 4. I WAS NOT INVITED TO THE PUBLIC MEETING. THEY DID NOT COMEDIC A WITH MY RESIDENCE. WE HAVE BEEN TRYING FOR 22 MONTHS TO PAVE LIVE OAK LANE. WE CANNOT GET RIGHT-OF-WAY FROM THE RESIDENCE . JAMIE IS HERE NOW, BUT HE WAS MEETING WE THINK THE LAST PERSON WHO WILL SIGN THIS WEEK , BUT WE STILL DON'T HAVE ALL OF THE RESIDENCE RIGHT-OF-WAY. THEY ARE A TOUGH CROWD. WHEN WE HAVE THE PUBLIC MEETING ABOUT FIRST PAVING ITS, RICHARD LEFT, BUT I THINK WE HAD OVER 50 PEOPLE CRAMPED IN THAT LITTLE MEETING ROOM IN THE LIBRARY. AND THEY ARE CONCERNED ABOUT PAVING THE ROAD WITH TRAFFIC. IF WE OPEN THIS UP TO MAKE IT THERE ROAD THAT THE RESIDENCE ARE ON, WHICH IS A LITTLE RURAL AREA , AND ENTRANCE TO INVITE MORE PEOPLE TO USE IT , WHEN WE BUILT THE PARKING LOT, WE HAD A LOT OF FEEDBACK ABOUT EXTRA CARS ON THE ROAD. SO, I WOULD WANT TO BACK OUR PLAN UP BEFORE WE WOULD MOVE FORWARD WITH PHASE TWO SITE DEVELOPMENT , AND TALK TO THOSE FOLKS THAT LIVE THERE . THIS WOULD AFFECT THEIR LIVES EVERY SINGLE DAY. THAT WOULD BE MY PREFERENCE. I DON'T REALLY HAVE AN ISSUE WITH TWO, THREE, AND FOUR, BUT I DON'T THINK WE TALKED TO THE RIGHT PEOPLE AFTER YOU FOUND OUT THAT THERE COULD NOT BE ACCESS FROM THE EAST. OR NORTH, 
          OR WHATEVER DIRECTION. >> THANK YOU. THERE WAS A LOT OF INFORMATION TO WADE THROUGH , OR WALK-THROUGH, OR NOT HAVE ACCESS TO WALK THROUGH. I AM NOT SURE WE ARE WITH VETERANS PRESERVE PARK, NATURE PARK, WHATEVER THE END RESULT MAY BE. 
          I THINK IF WE TAKE THE RECOMMENDATIONS, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US FLIP IT. 25 YEARS, WE PRETTY MUCH IGNORED THE LAND THERE. WE HAVE NOT BEEN VERY GOOD STEWARDS OF THE LAND. SO, I WOULD NUMBER THREE IN TERMS OF YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS TO NUMBER ONE. THAT DOES TWO THINGS. AND NOT ONLY DOES WHAT IT SHOULD SO THAT IT BECOMES NOT A HAZARD TO SURROUNDING PROPERTIES, BUT IT WILL ALSO GENERATE SOME REVENUES , WHICH WILL ALLOW US THEN TO PERHAPS MOVE INTO A PHASE TWO KIND OF THING AND BE ABLE TO UTILIZE SOME REVENUES TO DO THAT. 
          LET'S START SELF-SUSTAINING. YOU GOT MY ATTENTION WHEN HE SAID IT WAS A PARK THAT WAS SELF-SUSTAINING. I WANTED TO DO A LITTLE DANCE OVER HERE, BECAUSE WE ARE TRYING TO GET ALL OF OUR PARKS TO BE SELF-SUSTAINING. I WOULD DEFTLY DO A PRIORITIZATION OF NUMBER THREE TO NUMBER ONE. THAT COULD BE DONE REGARDLESS ON IF OUR PLANS CAN BE DONE IMMEDIATELY. 
          THE QUESTIONS JUST IF IT IS THE STATE, OR IF YOU FIND THE MEALS WHO CAN HELP WITH THAT INTO THE MOST EFFECTIVE AND RIGHT JOB. 
          SITE ZONING, I THINK THAT HAS TO COME BEFORE ANY KIND OF SITE DEVELOPMENT PLAN, BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WE ARE FACING IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, WHETHER THE PUBLIC WANTS US TO MOVE FORWARD. YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T GET INTO THE PARK , THEN THERE IS NO SENSE OF DEVELOPING A SITE PLAN. I THINK, YOU KNOW , PARADISE THE TIMBER IN NATURAL RESOURCE MANAGEMENT . MAYBE REVIEW THE SITE ZONING , OR EVEN CONSIDER A NAME CHANGE. 
          YOU KNOW, WE ARE TAKING CARE OF THE RESOURCE MANAGEMENT THAT WILL ALSO GENERATE SOME FUNDS, WHICH THEN WE CAN TURN AROUND AND UTILIZE , MAYBE AT SOME POINT WE FIND IT IN THE FUTURE WHAT SOME OF THESE FOLKS ARE LOOKING TO DO. I THINK THE THING THAT SURPRISED ME THE MOST IS , AND HANG ON ME JUST MAKE SOME CHECKS, THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY USE JENNINGS , WILL THAT BE THE SAME PERCENTAGE THAT USE VETERANS PARK, EVEN IF WE DO DEVELOP IT? THAT'S SURPRISING. 
          I MEAN, YOU'RE LOOKING AT 73% WHO HAVE EITHER NOT USE THE PARK IN THE LAST YEAR OR USE IT ONCE . I'M TALKING ABOUT JENNINGS, NOT VETERANS, BECAUSE WE KNOW VETERANS HAS ITS OWN CHALLENGES FORGETTING THEIR. SO, YEAH. YOU KNOW, AND WE HAVE DEED RESTRICTIONS AND OTHER THINGS THAT COULD PREVENT US 
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FROM TERMINATING. JUST THE FACT THAT THERE ARE NO UTILITIES THERE, HOW DO WE SET UP A CAMP? AND HAVE PEOPLE GO IN AND DO CAMPING IF THERE ARE NO FACILITIES THERE? THAT IS SURVIVOR TYPE CAMPING. NEVERMIND THE GLAMPING, THAT IS SURVIVING. JUST HELPING WITH SEWERS THAT ARE THERE , THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE WHO REALLY LIKE TO DO THAT. BUT LOOKING AT WHAT IS THE MOST FEASIBLE ENTRANCES REACHING AS MANY RESIDENTS AS POSSIBLE TO USE IT , THAT'S ALSO A DETRIMENT . SO, THAT IS JUST SOME OF MY THOUGHTS. NOT VERY COHERENCE . 
          >> IS ALSO THE NEW STATUE AROUND CAMPING ON PUBLIC LANDS . SO, I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT WOULD APPLY. CURRENTLY, THE ONLY PLACE YOU CAN CAMP ON COUNTY PROPERTY IS -- 
          >> JUST A LITTLE CLARIFICATION ON NUMBER ONE, CURRENTLY, THE COUNTY , AGAIN, HAVE A PROGRAM OF UTILIZATION , WHICH IS AN AGREEMENT OF NATIONAL PARK SERVICE FOR A PROGRAM FOR THE SITE. THAT DOES INCLUDE THINGS SUCH AS RESTROOMS, BATHROOMS, CAMPING . I CAN BE MODIFIED WITH AND ADVISED SITE PLAN . WE CAN REMOVE SOME OF THOSE USES, T CAN BE MORE REFLECTIVE OF WHAT COUNTY RESIDENTS WOULD DESIRE TODAY GOING INTO THE FUTURE, SO THAT COULD BE A MODIFICATION, BUT A SAY PLAN WOULD NEED TO BE MODIFIED TO SEEK THAT APPROVAL FROM THE 
          NATIONAL PARK SERVICE. >> YEAH, TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THOSE THINGS, BUT WE CAN DO LAND MANAGEMENT WITHOUT THE 
          NATIONAL PARK SERVICE. RIGHT? >> YES. 
          >> YEAH, SO, NICK, FIRST AND FOREMOST, THANK YOU SO MUCH. I KNOW THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I BROUGHT TO THE COMMISSION WHEN I FIRST GOT ELECTED , BECAUSE I WAS CHATTING WITH SOMEBODY ON STAFF, AND NOTICED THIS PART OF MY DISTRICT THAT WAS TRADED OUT, AND NOBODY COULD REALLY TELL ME WHAT WAS GOING ON THERE . WE FINALLY DID SOME DIGGING AND FOUND 641 ACRES THAT WE HAVE YET TO REALIZE THAT COME OVER 25 YEARS, NOTHING HAS BEEN DONE WITH IT. I TEND TO BE INCLINED TO BE RESOURCEFUL WITH WHAT WE HAVE GOT , SO I APPRECIATE THE COMMENTS TONIGHT ABOUT HOW OPTIMIZING THAT TIMBER IN MAKING THIS NATURAL RESOURCE OF THE COUNTY CAN BENEFIT FROM . SO, I WANT TO LEAD WITH THAT . I ALSO BELIEVE IT TO BE A PRIORITY FOR THE REGIONAL CONNECTIVITY ASPECT OF ALL OF THIS, AND I AM NOT SURE OF THAT MAC I WANT TO PUT THAT OUT THERE AS SOMETHING THAT I AM VERY INTERESTED IN, AND I APPRECIATE JENNINGS FOREST , AND THE FOLKS OVER THERE WHO WE HAVE HAD CERTIFICATE CONVERSATIONS WITH , AND OTHER FOLKS WHO ARE INTERESTED IN A PARTNERSHIP . BUT I THINK I AM WHOLLY UNCOMFORTABLE WITH LEAVING IT AS IT IS , BECAUSE IT'S A RESOURCE TO THE COUNTY, AND IT WAS CONVEYED FOR A PURPOSE , AND THAT PURPOSE BEING TO BENEFIT THE COUNTY, I WAS VERY CONCERNED ABOUT 84, 85% OF ALL OF CLAY COUNTY HAVING NO IDEA. FRANKLY, I DID NOT KNOW IT WAS EITHER! SO, TO RAISE AWARENESS, I THINK THIS IS A MULTI-PHASED PROCESS OF RAISING AWARENESS FOR THE CONSTITUENTS . WHERE STATE FOREST IS LOCATED, I CAN UNDERSTAND WHY IT IS NOT FREQUENTED AS OFTEN , BUT I THINK THAT OUR TOURISM DEPARTMENT HAS BEEN DOING A REALLY GREAT JOB OF FOCUSING ON HIGHLIGHTING THE NATURAL RESOURCES THAT CLAY COUNTY HAS, AND DRAWING ATTENTION TO IT. SO, I KNOW THAT THOSE INITIATIVES ARE RELATIVELY NEW. I WOULD BE CURIOUS TO KNOW WHAT THOSE NUMBERS LOOK LIKE A YEAR FROM NOW, BUT IN THE INTERIM , I ECHO VICE CHAIR CELLA AND HIS CONCERN ABOUT TIMBER MANAGEMENT. I THINK THAT SHOULD BE A PRIORITY , BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A SITE PLAN DEVELOPED. I REMEMBER A YEAR AGO WHEN WE FIRST STARTED TALKING ABOUT VETERANS PARK BEING A DISCUSSION , WE MENTIONED TO THE BOARD THAT A LOT OF YOUR CONSTITUENTS WERE ASKING QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS. 
          SO, I CAN UNDERSTAND DISTRICT 422 BE ENGAGED IN THOSE CONVERSATIONS. SO, IF THERE'S ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO RAISE AWARENESS AND GET THEM INVOLVED, I THINK YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT BEING A PRIORITY. SO, I AM 
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HAPPY TO MAKE THAT A PRIORITY TO US MOVING FORWARD. BECAUSE EVERY STAKEHOLDER SHOULD BE AT THE TABLE. I HEAR, ALSO, DEACONS DREAMS THAT SEEM TO COLOR MOST OF YOUR PRESENTATION. I LOVE AND OBSTACLE. I WILL COME EARLY TO COURTNEY, OUR PRIMARY ATTORNEY, AND SEEING WHAT THIS LOOKS LIKE . YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SOME PRETTY SIGNIFICANT ROLES, AND I 
          CAN APPRECIATE THAT. >> I HAVE THREE CONCERNS, ONE IS , TO REITERATE THE PERSON LOOKING AT ISSUE, I THINK THAT SOMETHING REALLY NEED TO WORK ON. SO, THAT IS BAKED YET EITHER, RIGHT, ERIC? SO, IT'S IN DEVELOPMENT AS WELL. I THINK WE CAN'T GET TOO FAR AHEAD OF OURSELVES IF WE AREN'T CAREFUL , BUT I AM IN FULL AGREEMENT, THERE ARE SOME OF THESE ISSUES. 
          RENAMING THE FACILITY , THE TERM PARK CONJURES UP I THINK A DIFFERENT FACILITY THAN WHAT WE WILL END UP THERE WITH, AND SECOND OF ALL , THERE IS A NATURAL RESOURCE IN NATURAL ORGANICS TO TEMPORARILY HAVING THIS THERE. BUT AS TO HOW WE PROCEED FURTHER , I AM UNSURE OF THOSE . ERIC, DO YOU HAVE 
          SOMETHING TO SAY? >> IT'S GOOD TO SEE YOU AGAIN. 
          GOOD EVENING. ERIC ANDERSON, REGIONAL PLANNER AT THE REGIONAL COUNSEL. WE MET ON AUGUST 30TH ABOUT THIS PROJECT , AND YOUR CONCERN ABOUT CORONATION WITH THE NATURAL PARK SERVICE IN THE REGIONAL EFFORTS THAT WERE ONGOING REALLY DON'T COMPLICATE THIS ISSUE WHATSOEVER. IN FACT, WE LOOKED AT THIS THROUGH THE LENS , AS MUCH AS YOU ARE SAYING, FROM CONNECTIVITY ACROSS THE REGION, AND THE CONNECTEDNESS OF THIS TRAIL TO LINK NORTH TO CECIL TO OTHER TRAILS REALLY IS IMPLYING WITH REGIONAL CONNECTIVITY. WITH THAT LENS, WE THOUGHT THIS WAS A REALLY POSITIVE PROJECT AND A 
          POTENTIAL USE FOR PROPERTY. >> OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          >> DUSTIN, DO YOU HAVE ANY RECOMMENDATIONS? 
          >> NO, SIR. OUR NEXT STEP FROM THE BOARD IS DO WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THE SIGNING OF THE PLAN CONCEPTUAL MASTER PLAN WITH THE ELEMENTS THAT WERE INCLUDED , WHICH WERE RESTROOMS , TRAILS, HIKING TRAILS, EQUESTRIAN TRAILS. DO WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT? OR DO WE FOCUS ON TIMBER? IS LOOKING FOR DIRECTION? 
          >> I THINK THE FORMER IS WHAT WE HAVE BEEN DISCUSSING TONIGHT. I DON'T THINK THERE IS AN APPETITE TONIGHT FOR MOVING FORWARD WITH THE FIRST PART OF THE RECOMMENDATION , NUMBER ONE OR NUMBER TWO. IT SEEMS TO ME LIKE NUMBER THREE MAKES THE MOST SENSE AS FAR AS DIRECTION MOVING FORWARD. AND I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT INTERRUPTS WHAT KIMBERLY HORN HAD IN MIND, NICK , BUT IT SEEMS TO ME LIKE NUMBER THREE IS OUR PRIORITY WHILE WE NAVIGATE SOME OF THE INTRICACIES OF WHAT MOVING FORWARD WITH A SITE PLAN WOULD LOOK LIKE , OR CHANGING THE ZONING POTENTIALLY . IF YOU WOULD HUMOR ME , I WOULD RATHER US NOT ENGAGE TOO MUCH WITH THE CONVERSATION OF THE NAME CHANGE 
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AT THIS JUNCTURE , BUT I DO LIKE THE CONCEPT OF MOVING FORWARD WITH NUMBER THREE FIRST , AND THAT BEING OUR ONLY 
          OBJECTIVE TONIGHT. >> THANK YOU FOR THAT. NAMES 
          ARE IMPORTANT. >> THEY ARE. 
          >> WELL, THAT WAS ALSO HAVE THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT WAS DONE. I DON'T THINK WE WERE VERY GENUINE AND HOW IT GOT SENT OUT, BECAUSE IT WAS SENT OUT TO EVERYONE WHO IS A VETERAN IN THE COUNTY. THAT WAS ACTUALLY HOW THE CONSTITUENTS IN MY DISTRICT SENT THE EMAIL TO US ABOUT THE PROPERTY BY, LIKE, GENEVA ON THE FIFTH THREE BOAT RAMP, BECAUSE HE GOT THE SURVEY BECAUSE HE WAS A VETERAN. SO, THE SURVEY WENT OUT TO ANYONE WHO IS REGISTERED IN THE COUNTY AS A VETERAN BECAUSE IN THE NAME OF VETERANS. IT WAS NOT NECESSARILY THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT . THEY CAME BACK AND SAID A LOT OF THINGS THAT MS. HAMMER HAD FOUND IN , YOU KNOW, THE CONSERVATION STUDY. IF THIS SOLVE THE ISSUE OF CECIL, BECAUSE THE CENTRAL HAS THE CECIL ISSUE , THEN I DON'T THINK ANYBODY WOULD HAVE A REAL PROBLEM WITH THE CONNECTIVITY FOR THE PASSIVE UNPAVED TRAILS , BUT THE FEEDBACK THAT NICK GOT , 44.1% OF THE RESPONDENTS SENT TO PRESERVE AND RESPOND THE UNIQUE NATURAL RESOURCES , AND IN THE ONLY OTHER THING THAT I WOULD ADD HIS STAFF, WE HAD A LOT OF POSITIVE DIRECTION FOR THE DEPARTMENT OF FOR THREE ON THE PAVING. SO, RICHARD JUST TO THIS MOTION. YES. HE SAID NO MORE! SO, THE FOREST HAS NOT PLAYED WELL. 
          >> IF I COULD JUMP BACK IN MR. CHAIR, IN TERMS OF ANY KIND OF A PHASE TWO SITE PLAN DEVELOPMENT , I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU WOULD DO THAT IF YOU HAVE ALL OF THESE RESTRICTIONS AND OTHER PEOPLE THAT HAVE TO WEIGH IN BEFORE YOU CAN DECIDE WHAT YOU ARE GOING TO BE. I WOULD HESITATE TO SAY THAT I WOULD CAUTION THIS BOARD IN THE COUNTY FOR MOVING FORWARD AND SPENDING TIME, ENERGY, AND MONEY, NOT NECESSARILY KNOWING IF YOU GUYS HAVE A BLENDER ON AND WHEN I IS PEEKING THROUGH, AND YOU'RE TRYING TO FIGURE IT OUT. THAT'S WHY I RECOMMENDED, WITH THE RESOURCE MANAGEMENT , THIS ALLOWS US SOME TIME, BECAUSE IT ALLOWS IT TO BE DONE, AND AS IT IS GOING THROUGH, WE SEE WHAT KIND OF FUNDS THAT WE HAVE THAT WE CAN REINVEST IN PHASE TWO, RIGHT? SO CONSEQUENTLY, KEEP THAT SELF-SUSTAINING, AND MEANWHILE, MAYBE SHOOT OFF A LETTER TO VARIOUS ORGANIZATIONS OR PEOPLE THAT WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT IN THIS, AND SEE IF THERE IS ANY PERSON WHO WANTS TO ANSWER. 
          NOBODY ANSWERED THE CALL THE PAVING LIVE OAK LANE, MAYBE THEY WILL ANSWER FOR SEND A REQUEST ABOUT SOMETHING ELSE. 
          AND UTILIZE, YOU KNOW, OUR RESOURCES THAT WAY. WE WILL LITTLE DOWN THOSE AGENCIES OR PEOPLE THAT ARE WILLING TO WORK WITH US SO THAT WE CAN GET TO A SITE PLAN DEVELOPMENT AT SOME POINT. BUT YEAH, EVERYTHING ELSE SORT OF HINGES ON , WELL, I WOULD HINGE ON THE FIRST ONE TO GET SOME FUNDS AND WORK WITH THOSE FUNDS TO BE ABLE TO DEVELOP OURSELVES FURTHER . THE ZONING AND THE NAME CHANGE CERTAINLY COMES DOWN THE LINE, BUT THAT WILL BE BETTER FOR STEWARDING THE LAND, AND I DON'T THINK ANYONE COULD FAULT US FOR GOING THAT DIRECTION TO GET THINGS STARTED. AS LONG AS EVERYBODY, YOU KNOW, IS NOTIFIED THAT THAT IS WHAT IS HAPPENING, AND WE ARE NOT IN THERE TO CUT TREES AND PUT UP A SUBDIVISION OR SOMETHING. 
          >> AND THAT IS WITH THE RUMOR WILL BE. 
          >> QUESTION? >> SURE. 
          FOR A PUBLIC OPINION, BECAUSE THESE INVOLVED WITH THE BIKE TRAILS. WE MIGHT EVEN NEED TO GO FURTHER FARTHER THAN DEVELOPING DISTRICTS TO GET SOME INPUT. 
          >> CAN I ASK A QUESTION OF NICK? SO, WHEN HE SAID THAT THE MONEY HAD TO FIRST BE USED WITHIN THE PARK , THAT DOES NOT APPLY , CORRECT? SO, THE FOREST RESERVICE OF THE ASKING US TO 
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IMPROVE THE ROAD. DON'T BE PUT ON THE STATE WORK PLAN , AND THEN IF IT GETS FUNDED, IT GETS FUNDED. WHO KNOWS. 
          >> ALL RIGHT. IF WE HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENTS, JUST TO BE CLEAR , DIRECTIONS TO NOT MOVE FORWARD WITH PHASE TWO AT THE TIME, BUT TO EXPLORE INTERNALLY WITH THE PROPERTY AND FOR THREE AND WHAT THE STATUS WILL LOOK LIKE, AND BRING THAT BACK TO THE BOARD. DO I UNDERSTAND THAT CORRECTLY? 
          >> THAT IS WHAT I AM HEARING. THE STAFF HAS DIRECTION? 
          >> THANK YOU, SIR. >> THANK YOU. THANK YOU, NICK. 
          WE APPRECIATE IT. THERE IS A REASON WHY NOBODY HAS TOUCHED IT FOR 25 YEARS. IT'S A VERY DIFFICULT PROBLEM. 
          >> ONE STEP AT A TIME. >> NEXT ITEM IS A S.E.C. AUDIT 
          [33.  Environmental Protection Agency Community Change Grant Application (M. Covey/G. Gunn)]
          UPDATE. >> NO, SIR, IS THE ENVIRONMENT 
          OF PROTECTION AGENCY. >> OH, I'M SORRY, ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION AGENCY. 
          >> YES. COULD EVENING. MEGYN KELLY WITH THE GRANTS DEPARTMENT. TONIGHT, WE ARE SEEKING BOARD DIRECTION ON HOW TO PROCEED WITH A FEDERAL GRANT OPPORTUNITY THROUGH THE EPA THROUGH THE COMMUNITY CHANGE GRANT PROGRAM. FUNDING IN THIS PROGRAM IS INTENDED TO IMPROVE THE ENVIRONMENTAL CLIMATE AND RESILIENCE CONDITION AFFECTING DISADVANTAGED COMMUNITIES , AND PART OF THAT IS INVESTING AND IF A STRUCTURE IMPROVEMENT THAT WILL IMPROVE THE OVERALL HEALTH AND QUALITY OF LIFE OF THOSE COMMUNITIES. IMPROVE THE OVERALL HEALTH AND QUALITY OF LIFE IN THOSE AREAS. SO, ONE OF THE NICE THINGS ABOUT THIS GRANT PROGRAM IS EPA IS OFFERING TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE , WHICH MEANS WE HAVE BEEN ASSIGNED A PROGRAM EXPERT TO RUN IDEAS THROUGH , ASKED QUESTIONS ABOUT PREPARING THE APPLICATION AND WILL MAKE IT MOST COMPETITIVE , SO ONE OF THE PRODUCT MOVED THROUGH WAS MOVING TO THE C.A.P. STUDIES INTO THE CONVERSATION HIGH INTEREST RATE. AND WHAT WE WOULD GET IS THAT THEY MEET THOSE BENCHMARKS FOR THIS PROGRAM. SO, JUST A COUPLE OF OTHER DETAILS ABOUT THE GRANT ITSELF , THERE ARE NO MATCH REQUIREMENTS. APPLICANTS CAN REQUEST BETWEEN 10 MILLION AND $20,000,000.00 , AND EPA WILL REVIEW APPLICATIONS ON A MONTHLY BASIS. THE DEADLINE IS NOVEMBER 21ST, SO, WE ARE TRYING TO CLAIM AHEAD , AND WHAT THIS PROCESS MEANS WILL ÚHAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SUBMIT AN INITIAL APPLICATION, GET SOME FEEDBACK FROM EPA, AND STILL HAVE TIME TO MAKE DIVISIONS FOR THE SET PROPOSAL. 
          SO, WE BELIEVE OUR CHANCES ARE GOOD THAT WE WILL FIND THIS UP RIGHT NOW TO MOVE FORWARD WITH A COMPETITIVE PROPOSAL. WE ARE SEEKING DIRECTION FROM THE BOARD ON WHICH TYPES OF INFRASTRUCTURE YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE US FOCUS OUR EFFORTS ON . WE HAVE PROPOSED A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT OPTIONS FOR DISCUSSION TONIGHT . SO, ONE OPTION MIGHT BE TO GO AHEAD AND SUBMIT A $20,000,000.00 ASK FOR STREET IMPROVEMENTS . STREET IMPROVEMENTS MAY INCLUDE WINDING ROAD SHOULDERS , CITING WALKS, DRAINAGE, AND ANY KIND OF STRUCTURE, THOUGH IT IMPROVES COMMITTED CONNECTIVITY TO PUBLIC SERVICES AND RECREATION. A SECOND OPTION WOULD BE TO REQUEST $10 MILLION THE STREET IMPROVEMENTS AND $10,000,000.00 FOR WATER AND SEWER LINE INFRASTRUCTURE. AND THEN A THIRD OPTION TO BE PROCEED WITH THE $20 MILLION YOUR STREET IMPROVEMENTS, AND THEN WORK SEPARATELY ON WATER AND SEWER INFRASTRUCTURE. 
          TONIGHT, AS I MENTIONED, WE ARE LOOKING FOR FEEDBACK FROM THE BOARD ON HOW TO PROCEED, AND THEN WE WOULD BRING THE APPLICATION BACK ON THE CONSENT AGENDA ON DECEMBER 24TH. 
          >> THE STEERING TEAM IS VERY COMFORTABLE TO REQUEST AND MODIFY , AND TO ASK FOR THE $20,000,000.00 FOR IMPROVEMENT 
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TO INCLUDE DRAINAGE, STORMWATER MANAGEMENT IS A HUGE ISSUE IN THAT AREA BECAUSE THE STORM WATER IS CURRENTLY NOT GOING WHERE IT IS SUPPOSED TO GO , SO THEY NEED UNDER DRAINAGE, THEY NEED THE ROAD TO BE ACTUAL ROADS, WHICH THEY ARE NOT. SOME OF THEM ARE QUITE, QUITE LARGE, SO PEOPLE HAVE BEEN ON NEW ROADS. SO, THEY ARE QUITE, QUITE LARGE, AND THE STEERING TEAM IS COMFORTABLE TO ASK IN THE GRANT TO WHY ROADS ARE BEING BUILT. FOR LAYING WATERLINES FOR FUTURE CONNECTIVITY , AS INFRASTRUCTURE BECOMES AVAILABLE. HERE IS WHY I SAY THAT. I AM NOT INTERESTED IN WHAT WAS PRESENTED TO THIS BOARD LAST YEAR THAT THEY HAVE TO UPGRADE THEIR WASTEWATER PLANT IN THE EASTERN HEIGHTS AREA IN 2025. NOT INTERESTED IN OBTAINING A GRANT FOR DISADVANTAGE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT HELPS THEM FUND THEIR INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WAS NEVER INTENDED TO BE THEIR SERVICE AREA. THEY DO NOT INTEND FOR HIGHRIDGE TO EVER HAVE A SEWER . SO, THAT'S KIND OF OFFENSIVE TO ME IF I GO AND APPLY FOR SOMETHING THAT IS INTENDED FOR A DISADVANTAGED NEIGHBORHOOD TO CREATE A SITUATION WHERE THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN, THAT IS NOT WHERE THE INTENTION NEEDS TO BE TO DRIVE THOSE SEWER CUSTOMERS. 
          THE WATER IS DIFFERENT. THE CUA HAS A WATER MAIN IN FRONT OF HIGHRIDGE ESTATES , SO, FUTURE CONNECTIVITY AS THEY BUILD OUT THAT WATER SYSTEM IS FEASIBLE. BUT, NOWHERE IN ANYTHING THAT THE CUA IS PRESENTED HAVE THE INTENDED FOR THAT AREA TO BE ON SEWER. ADDITIONALLY , WE HAVE THE WHOLE GATE MAP SUBJECT TO SEWER PROJECT WHERE THE STATE MANDATE IS GOING TO BE PEOPLE WHO ARE ON A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF FEET OF WATER , NAVIGABLE WATER, THEY WILL BE FORCED TO GO TO SEWER, AND THERE ARE A LOT OF PLACES IN DISTRICT 4 THAT WILL APPLY TO. HIGHRIDGE IS NOT ONE OF THEM. THEY HAVE NO ACCESS TO WATER, THEY SAID VERY HIGH, NO ONE HAS PROBLEMS WITH SKEPTICS IN THAT AREA , AND THEN HERE ARE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I THINK COULD BE ADDED IN THERE. IF WE TALK ABOUT THE ROADS AND WE TALK ABOUT LAYING THE WATER LINE, WE WERE BUILDING THE ROADS FOR FUTURE INFRASTRUCTURE BUILDOUT . THE OTHER THING THAT THAT DOES IS THERE ARE A NUMBER OF LOTS IN HIGHRIDGE THAT ARE, TODAY, NONCONFORMING BECAUSE OF LACK OF DISTANCE BETWEEN WHERE YOU WOULD PUT A WELL AND SEPTIC. SO, IF WATERLINES WERE RUNNING YOU DID NOT HAVE TO HAVE A WELL ON THE PROPERTY, WE WOULD MAKE THOSE NONCONFORMING LOCKS CONFORMING. BECAUSE THEN THEY COULD JUST DELETE HOME, PUT THEIR SEPTIC , CONNECT TO THE CITY WATER, AND THEY WOULD NOT HAVE THE DISTANCE ISSUE. SO I REALLY THINK THE STEERING TEAM WAS ALL IN ALIGNMENT THAT WE REALLY WOULD LIKE TO GO AFTER THE $20,000,000.00, AND WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE IT, AND NO ONE HAS ANY OBJECTION TO ADDING THE WATER IN. IT'S REALLY THE SEWER THAT IS UNNECESSARY. SO, THAT'S KIND OF ED FOR DIFFERENT DEVIATION TO THAT. AND, YOU KNOW, ALL OF THE THINGS MIGHT BE IN THE EMAIL, BUT THE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT, THAT UNDER DRAINAGE, THE ROADS, THE EMERGENCY ACCESS , SCHOOLBUS ACCESS, WE CURRENTLY HAVE ROADS , A LOT OF ROOTS IN HIGHRIDGE WHERE THE CHILDREN HAVE TO WALK QUITE A WAYS TO A CENTRAL LOCATION TO BE PICKED UP BY A SCHOOL BUS , AND THERE ARE NO LIGHTS, SO THEY WALK IN THE DARK ON THESE ROADS THAT REALLY AREN'T ROADS. 
          >> RICHARD THINKS THAT WE COULD -- AND WHEN WE HAD THAT TEAM MEETING A MONTH AGO, THEY THINK IT IS VERY FEASIBLE TO IMPROVE ALL 20 MILES OF THE DIRT ROADS IN SCHOOL 
          BUSES. >> THAT WAS GOING TO BE MY QUESTION. HOW DO YOU DETERMINE THE DOLLAR AMOUNTS FOR THE ROADS AS OPPOSED TO THE WATER LINES ? OR CAN YOU APPLY 20 MILLION OR YOU HAVE TO COME UP WITH A SPECIFIC LIKE 12,000,004 
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ROADS, 8 MILLION FOR WATERLINES? 
          >> RICHARD MAY WANT TO SPEAK TO THIS. WHEN WE WERE IN THAT MEETING AND EARL WAS IN THERE, THEY WERE KIND OF -- EARL KIND OF -- HE ACTED LIKE IT WAS JUST NOT A LOT OF EXTRA EXPENSE. 
          >> RICHARD SMITH, COMMISSIONER CONNOR IS CORRECT. SOME OF THE ROADS ARE REGULAR SUBSTANDARD DIRT ROADS THAT CAN BE BROUGHT UP QUICKLY. IN FACT, WE HAVE TO THEM -- TWO OF THEM TODAY. 
          DENNISON AND BAYLOR STREETS ARE BEING WORKED ON NOW. SOME OF THEM DON'T EXIST. SOME OF THEM ARE UNOPENED RIGHT-OF-WAY AND THAT DECISION IS GOING TO BE MADE TO WHETHER WE ARE GOING TO BUILD A NEW ROAD . THAT IS GOING TO TAKE A PRETTY BIG EFFORT. SOME OF THEM WILL BE NO MORE -- DENNISON AND BAYLOR, WHAT IS THE AMOUNT ON THAT GRANT? 
          >> THAT WAS OVER $1 MILLION. >> THAT'S PAVING ABOUT ONE MILE . SO, WE FEEL LIKE WE ARE VERY COMFORTABLE WITH THAT. AS FAR AS THE WATER LINE, THEY ARE TYPICALLY A UNIT PRICE. IT IS ABOUT FOUR FOOT , 48 INCHES TO 54 INCHES DEEP AND PLACED ON THE ROAD WITH PROPER VALVING AND DESIGNS . THOSE FORCE MEANS, IT'S NOT A VERY COMPLICATED ISSUE. THEY WOULD BE EASILY QUANTIFIED USING SOME STANDARD PIPE COST FROM CCUA. 
          >> ONE THING WE COULD DO IS TAKE ANOTHER LOOK AT THE BUDGET. WE ARE ELIGIBLE TO SUBMIT TWO APPLICATIONS UNDER TRACK ONE , SO WE COULD SUBMIT TWO SEPARATE APPLICATIONS, ONE FOCUSED ON IMPROVEMENTS AND ONE ON WATERLINES. 
          >> WE DON'T WANT TO GET THE WATER IMPROVED ENOUGH THE ROADS. I'M TELLING YOU, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE ME SITTING UP HERE, WE ALREADY HAVE SOMEBODY WORKING ON THE DENNISON AND BAYLOR THAT HAS ALREADY TOLD THE NEIGHBORHOOD COMMISSIONER SECURED A $38 MILLION GRANT AND THE WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD IS GOING TO BE PAVED. I'M RUNNING RUMOR CONTROL FOR WHAT WE ARE DOING NOW. AND SO, PLEASE, I'M JUST TELLING YOU, IF WE SUBMIT THIS AND WE GET THE WATER AND WE DON'T GET THE ROADS, I CAN'T DO THAT. WE CAN'T DO THAT. THAT MAKES NO DIFFERENCE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. IF YOU WENT TO ANY OF THEIR --. HAVE BEEN WORKING ON INITIATIVES FOR A YEAR TO HAVE. EVERY SINGLE MEETING , A MEMBER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD COMES TO THE MEETING AND TALKS ABOUT THE ROADS. THAT IS ALL THEY REALLY CARE ABOUT. THAT IS LIFE-CHANGING . I DON'T THINK THAT IF YOU HAVEN'T LIVED -- AND THIS IS THE TRUTH AS I SIT HERE AND JAMIE CAN ATTEST TO THIS. HE DIDN'T KNOW I WAS GOING TO CALL ON HIM. IF YOU HAVE EVER BEEN TRAPPED IN YOUR HOME WHERE YOU CANNOT LEAVE FOR MORE THAN FOUR HOURS BECAUSE THE GARBAGE TRUCK IS STUCK IN A WHOLE IN FRONT OF YOUR DRIVEWAY AND THERE IS NO WAY OUT OF YOUR PROPERTY AND WASTE MANAGEMENT CAN'T GET THE LARGE TOW TRUCK OUT THERE TO TOE THEIR TRUCK OUT, THAT HAPPENS FREQUENTLY. MORE THAN FIVE, SIX, EIGHT TIMES THIS YEAR. AND SO HIGHRIDGE IS ONE OF THE FEW PLACES THAT HAPPENS. IT ALSO HAPPENS ON A PRIVATE ROAD IN KEYSTONE HEIGHTS. THOSE PEOPLE HAVE BEEN TRAPPED IN THEIR HOMES . I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE THAT CONCEPT. WE SAY, THEY CAN WALK OUT. THEY CAN'T GET THEIR CAR. THEY CAN'T GET THEIR KIDS FROM SCHOOL. THEY CAN GO TO A DOCTORS APPOINTMENT UNTIL WASTE MANAGEMENT GETS A TOW TRUCK THERE. IT HAPPENS. I JUST , TO SUBMIT A GRANT APPLICATION , THE STEERING TEAM WAS FINE TO SUBMIT THE WATER WITH THE ROADS, BUT JUST COME UP PLEASE, I JUST BEG. I WOULD RATHER US NOT EVEN SUBMITTED IF WE AREN'T GOING TO PUT THE ROADS AS A PRIORITY, AND WE HAVE TO COMMUNICATE THAT TO THEM. KERRY, WHO IS OUR CHAIRMAN SAID SHE SAT ON THE TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE CALL AND SHE SAID THE LADY SAID SHE LIKED THE ROADS BEING THERE AND THAT WAS UNIQUE BUT SHE ALSO MENTIONED WATER. THAT WAS WHERE THE TEAM FELT LIKE THIS COULD BE SOMETHING THAT THE EPA COULD GET BEHIND, BUT TO SUBMIT TO THEY WILL SAY YES TO WATER. 
          YEAH, THEY WILL, BUT WILL THEY SAY YES TO ROADS. 
          >> THE OTHER OPTION COULD BE TWO APPLICATIONS THAT BOTH ÚIMP WE FOCUS ON DIFFERENT GEOGRAPHIC AREAS IN HIGH RIDGE TRYING TO COMPLETE THAT INTERLUDE BUT KEEP THEM -- DON'T SEPARATE THEM TO YOUR POINT. 
          >> WHY TWO APPLICATIONS? >> THE QUESTION IS BUDGET. TWO APPLICATIONS, WE CAN REQUEST 40 MILLION WITH ONE APPLICATION. 
          >> I SIMPLY ASK, HOW WOULD WE --. THE QUESTION WOULD BE, WHAT DO WE BUDGET FOR ROADS AND WATER? THAT WAS MY QUESTION. I 
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DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM. IF THAT'S WHAT THE RESIDENTS WANT, LET'S SEE IF WE CAN GET IT FOR THEM. DO WE PUT A $12 MILLION FIGURE ON THE ROADS WITH EIGHT IN WATER? I GUESS RICHARD -- HIS ALGORITHMS WILL TELL US HOW MUCH IT TAKES DOLLARWISE TO GO A MILE WITH WATER. 
          >> WATER -- WROTE IS ABOUT -- $50 A FOOT. PROBABLY FOR THE PIPE AND MAYBE 75. WE WOULD HAVE IT FIGURED OUT BUT WE WOULD KNOW. THAT NEEDS A LITTLE BIT OF CONTROL. WE GOING TO BAYLOR AND GO DOWN THERE, SEND OUR CONTRACTOR , ONE OF OUR CONTRACTORS WINS A BIT, GOES DOWN THERE. WOULD GET INTERRUPTED. THERE IS A SEMI TRAILER, A TRAILER IN THE RIGHT-OF-WAY, STUCK. YOU DON'T REALLY SEE THAT EVEN ON OUR REALLY BAD DIRT ROADS. WE HAVE A LOT OF UNCONTROLLED AREA THAT WE CAN GET UNDER CONTROL WITH PAVING THESE ROADS , GIVING THESE ROADS STABILIZED WHETHER PAVED OR MAILED OR JUST BUILT UP TO OUR DIRT ROAD STANDARD. IT WILL GIVE US SOMETHING, IT WILL GIVE US A BASE. WE DON'T HAVE TO MOVE AN OLD TRAILER TO DO THE ROAD PAVING UNDERNEATH IT. 
          >> IT SOUNDS LIKE WE HAVE THE NUMBERS. IT JUST HAS TO BE WORK OUT. I WILL DEFER TO COMMISSIONER CONDON. SHE HAS MET WITH THESE FOLKS AND HAS A HANDLE ON WHAT THEY ARE INTERESTED IN GETTING. LEFT THE WATER AND ROADS AND JUST FIGURE OUT WHAT THE PERCENTAGE OF EACH WOULD BE BASED ON THE NUMBERS THAT RICHARD CAN PROVIDE YOU. THAT'S ALL WE CAN DO, IF WE JUST GO FROM ONE GRANT TO 20 MILLION. 
          >> THERE IS A REASON TO SEPARATE. BUT I DON'T WANT TO SEPARATE THE WATER IN THE ROADS. 
          >> YOU MENTIONED TECHNICAL ASSISTANT. WE ARE NOT TALING TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE HERE. WHAT WERE YOU REFERRING TO? 
          >> EPA PROVIDES FREE OF CHARGE TO US A PROGRAM EXPERT IN THE GRANT PROGRAMS, EPA CONTRACTS WITH GRANT SPECIALISTS TO HELP APPLICANTS BE COMPETITIVE AND SUBMIT PROPOSALS. SO THIS IS SOMEONE EPA HAS HIRED TO WORK WITH US. I THINK FOLLOWING TONIGHT'S CONVERSATION , WE WILL GO BACK AND GET INTO THE DETAILS OF PUTTING THE APPLICATION TOGETHER. 
          >> WE DID A TOTAL BUDGET FOR EVERYTHING INCLUDING RIGHT-OF-WAY . IT WOULD BE $30 MILLION . THAT'S ONE OF THEM REASONS WE ARE LOOKING AT MEGAN'S TWO GRANT APPROACH . 
          >> I THOUGHT FROM THAT MEETING A MONTH AGO , THEY SAID 20 MILLION WOULD BE ENOUGH TO DO EVERYTHING. 
          >> THAT INCLUDED LIKE AN OPEN ROADS WHERE WE HAVE TO BUILD . 
          THERE ARE SOME PLACES DOWN THERE THAT , YOU ARE RIGHT, THEY HAVE HOMES BUT THE ROADS ARE NOT EVEN. WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO START WITH. SO THAT ROAD IS GOING TO BE LIKE --. WE HAVE TO CLEAR THE TREES. THAT IS TYPICALLY NOT INCLUDED IN A DIRT ROAD PAVING BUDGET. THERE ARE SOME CHALLENGES IN SOME AREAS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THAT'S WHAT IT MAY BE BEST TO DO YOUR APPROACH, WHATEVER WE GET, LET'S PICK THE MOST IMPORTANT, MAKE SURE WE HAVE GOOD ARTERIES FOR THE KIDS TO GET TO THE SCHOOL , FOLKS TO GET TO THEIR GOODS AND SERVICES AND SOME OF THEM WILL HAVE TO BE MARGINALLY IMPROVED. THEY 
          CAN BE GRADED . WE WILL C. >> WHEN IS THE DEADLINE FOR 
          THIS? >> NOVEMBER 21ST. 
          >> I THINK THE CONSENSUS IS THAT WE GO FORWARD WITH THE 20 MILLION PAVED AND WATER , BUT WE HAVE TO SCALE IT TO WHAT WE CAN DO WITH 20 MILLION. I HEARD 30 MILLION . THAT IS NOT 20 
          MILLION. >> DO WE GET PENALIZED IF WE PUT IN TWO BIDS, SAME THING? 12 AND EIGHT AND 12 AND EIGHT SO YOU END UP WITH 24 AND 16? DO WE GET PUNISHED BY PUTTING TWO 
          SIMILAR REQUESTS IN? >> NO. THEY WILL BE REVIEWED 
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          AND SCORE SEPARATELY. >> ISN'T THIS A MULTI-YEAR? SO WE CAN APPLY THIS YEAR FOR 20 AND NEXT YEAR FOR 20 AND 
          COMPLETE THE REST. >> I THOUGHT IT WAS AN INFRASTRUCTURE GRANT THAT GOES AWAY. 
          >> INFRASTRUCTURE FUNDING AS IT CURRENTLY IS RUNS TO 2026 , SO I THINK THERE WILL BE ANOTHER FUNDING CYCLE. IT'S WHAT I'M 
          ANTICIPATING RIGHT NOW. >> WE DO HAVE A PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION HERE, WHICH MEANS THINGS COULD CHANGE. 
          >> 20 IS BETTER THAN NOTHING, I GUESS. 
          >> WE DO HAVE -- WE INTEND TO PUT THIS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA ON THE 24TH AS WELL . AT THAT TIME WE CAN HAVE A PROPOSED BUDGET IN THE BACKGROUND TO SHOW WHAT THAT BREAK DOWN WOULD BE BETWEEN ROADS AND WATER AND IF WE NEED TO HAVE ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION, WE CAN. IF NOT, WE CAN MOVE FORWARD. DOES THAT SOUND REASONABLE? ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. 
          [34.  FCC Audit Update (H. Boucher)]
          >> THANK YOU. WE ARE ONTO THE FCC AUDIT. 
          >> I KNOW YOU ARE EAGER TO TALK ABOUT FCC. 
          >> I HAVE AN UPDATE FOR YOU GUYS TODAY. ON THE SCREEN , YOU WILL SEE A REMINDER OF THE TIMELINE THAT I PRESENTED TO YOU LAST MEETING. WE ARE PLANNING FIELDWORK AND REPORTING FOR THE AUDIT . THIS SLIDE ALSO LOOKS VERY FAMILIAR. 
          IT HAS THE ITEMS FROM PLANNING. YOU WILL SEE THE FIELDWORK IS HIGHLIGHTED HERE. THAT'S WHERE WE ARE CURRENTLY IN RIGHT NOW , AND THEN ALSO WE WILL GET TO REPORTING WHEN WE GET FURTHER ALONG IN OUR FIELDWORK. FOR FIELDWORK, WE HAVE COMPLETED ALL OF OUR WALK-THROUGHS FOR ALL OF THE REQUIREMENTS THAT WE HAVE IDENTIFIED FOR FCC. SO, I AM ATTENDING WEEKLY MEETINGS WITH FCC AND ALMOST DAILY MEETINGS WITH STAFF TO GO OVER THE TRANSITION PLAN , REVIEWING TESTING SUPPORT. THE SECOND TO LAST A BULLET HERE LOOKS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WAS IN THE ORIGINAL BACKUP. IT SAID 525 RETIREMENTS HAD BEEN TESTED. I WAS ABLE TO GET A FEW MORE TESTS IN THIS WEEK. WE TESTED SEVEN OF THE 25 REQUIREMENTS AND SO FAR WE HAVE NO ISSUES TO NOTE. ANY QUESTIONS? 
          >> HAVE THEY TAKEN CUSTODY OF THEIR FACILITY ? 
          >> YES, THEY CLOSE ON IT LAST WEEK. TWO WEEKS AGO ON THE 28TH. THEY HAVE STARTED MOVING INTO THAT LOCATION. 
          >> DO THEY HAVE ANY EQUIPMENT? 
          >> I BELIEVE SO. CHARLIE AND JAMIE AND MILTON WENT TO THE FACILITY TODAY AND THEY SAW SOME EQUIPMENT THERE. 
          >> WE DID. MR. CHAIRMAN AND COMMISSIONERS, GOOD EVENING. 
          CHARLIE, I WANTED TO TELL YOU THERE ARE A FEW MILESTONES THAT WE HAVE SEEN HAPPENING OVER HERE THAT HAVE MADE US FEEL PRETTY GOOD THAT WE ARE GOING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. I WANT TO THANK HEATHER FOR ALL THE HARD WORK . SHE HAS DONE A GREAT JOB PULLING ALL OF THE DATA TOGETHER FOR US. I SPOKE WITH FCC VICE PRESIDENT . I SPOKE WITH HIM TODAY AND THEY REPORTED THEIR STAFFING IS 100% COMPLETED WITH THE EXCEPTION OF TWO ADMIN POSITIONS. ALL THEIR OPERATIONAL POSITIONS ARE STAFFED NOW. THEY ARE DOING TRAINING EVERY SATURDAY. THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE THEY HIRED ARE FROM WASTE MANAGEMENT. THEY ARE BEING TRAINED ON SATURDAYS AND THEY ARE ALSO MOVING ALONG WELL ON THEIR TRAINING PLANS. THAT IS GOOD NEWS. MITCH IS PRETTY CONFIDENT THAT THEY ARE ON TRACK TO BE READY FOR SUCCESSFUL LAUNCH ON OCTOBER 1 . THEY'RE GOING TO BE BRINGING ADDITIONAL TRUCKS AND PERSONNEL IN FROM OTHER AREAS TO BACK UP EVERYTHING , SO WE MAKE SURE WE START OFF REALLY WELL. AS HEATHER MENTIONED, JAMIE AND MILTON AND I WENT INTO THE NEW FACILITY FOR FCC TODAY. THERE WERE 15 TRUCKS ON THE PROPERTY. 
          THEIR STAFF OR MAINTENANCE IS NOW THERE. THEIR HOME BASED OUT 
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OF THEIR -- WE MET THE DIRECTOR OF MAINTENANCE , HOWARD, VERY NICE MAN. WITH AN OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT SOME OF THE TRUCKS. 
          THEY ARE BRAND-NEW, BEAUTIFUL TRUCKS. WE SEE THE THIRD EYE INSTALLATION HAS TAKEN PLACE ON THE ONES THAT WERE IN THE YARD TODAY. THEY ARE CONFIDENT THAT THE FLYERS WILL BE SENT OUT ON SEPTEMBER 16TH, WHICH WILL INCLUDE THE SERVICE STATE FOR YOUR CONSTITUENTS. THEY WILL BE ABLE TO TELL WHAT DAY THE GARBAGE GOES OUT AND THE FCC STAFF WILL BE AT THE NEXT BCC MEETING. THEY WILL GIVE YOU THAT FINAL BRIEF BEFORE WE START THE PROGRAM. DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD? 
          >> CHARLIE, WHAT IS OUR DATE FOR FINAL DELIVERY OF ALL TRUCKS? DO WE HAVE A SPECIFIC DATE THAT WE HAVE ASKED THEM TO 
          HAVE EVERYTHING IN PLACE? >> I THINK THE TRUCK IS THE 
          16TH OR THE 15TH , I THINK. >> THEY PROVIDED US A REPORT ON THIS WEEK WITH ESTIMATED DELIVERY DATES AND THERE ARE A FEW VEHICLES THAT ARE AS FAR OUT AS SEPTEMBER 27TH , BUT THE MAJORITY OF THEM ARE EXPECTED TO BE DELIVERED THE WEEK OF THE 
          16TH. >> I DID CONFIRM WITH HIM TODAY THAT THEY ARE DEALING DIRECTLY WITH THE MANUFACTURER. AND THE MANUFACTURER IS COMMITTED TO THOSE DATES. 
          >> IS IT TRUE THAT THEY CAUGHT UP NOW AT ST. JOHN'S? 
          >> SPEAKING PERSONALLY, I'M A ST. JOHN'S COUNTY RESIDENT AND THEY HAVE SERVED ME FOR 6 WEEKS AND I NEVER HAD A MISSED PICKUP. THEY HAVE A RECYCLING DELAY AND MY NEIGHBORS AREN'T PLANNING AND THE PEOPLE I KNOW IN THE AREA, WE HAD A FEW STAFF MEMBERS AND SAID THE SAME THING. THERE WAS A LITTLE BIT OF A HICCUP TO START, BUT THEY RECOVERED NICELY. THEY ARE 
          PRETTY CONSISTENT. >> WONDERFUL. 
          >> THEY DON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE STUMBLE HERE . WE MAKE SURE THAT THEY HAVE A GOOD START. WE HAVE BEEN MEETING 
          WITH THEM SINCE FEBRUARY. >> SOME OF US ARE GOING TO WRITE IN THE TRUCKS AND I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT. 
          >> GOOD. ANYTHING ELSE? >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR 
          STAFF? >> I SEE WHISPERS. 
          >> WE HAVE GONE INTERNALLY TO DAILY MEETINGS SO THAT THE BOARD KNOWS. WE ARE VERY HYPER FOCUSED ON THIS. THINGS ARE ALL MOVING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. 
          >> GOOD. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. 
          >> STILL WHISPERS. >> I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE INTERESTING FOR EVERYBODY TO KNOW WE DID RECEIVE THE BOND FROM THE PERFORMANCE AND PAYMENT BOND , SO THEY DO HAVE TO RECORD IT AND ACTUALLY PHYSICALLY HANDED TO US BUT 
          THEY DID EMAIL IT TO US. >> ONE DAY. THANK YOU. 
          >> THANK YOU, CHARLIE. ITEM NUMBER 35 IS NEW BUSINESS, BED 
          [35.  Bid No. 23/24-038 Inspections, Maintenance and Repair of Fire Suppression Equipment (K. Smith)]
NUMBER 23-24 INSPECTIONS MAINTENANCE AND FIRE 
          SUPPRESSION EQUIPMENT. >> THIS ITEM IS BEFORE YOU UNDER NEW BUSINESS BECAUSE WE RECEIVED ONE BID BUT IT IS FOR COUNTYWIDE SERVICES, SO ARE THINGS LIKE THE FIRE EXTINGUISHERS , FIRE SPRINKLER SYSTEMS. THEY DO ANNUAL INSPECTIONS . THEY DO MAINTENANCE. WE COMBINE NEW EXTINGUISHERS. THEY RECHARGE EXTINGUISHERS SO THERE ARE A LOT OF ITEMS YOU SEE ON THE BID THAT ARE USED ANNUALLY COUNTYWIDE. WE HAVE SEEN SOME ITEMS WENT UP AND COST SLIGHTLY . SOME WENT DOWN AND COST AND THAT IS COMPARED TO PRICING FROM 2021 . WE HAD 13 COMPANIES THAT DOWNLOADED THE BID BUT NOT SURE WHY WE ONLY RECEIVED ONE. WE FEEL LIKE IT IS WITHIN BUDGET SO THAT IS WHY WE MADE THE RECOMMENDATION TO MOVE 
          FORWARD. >> QUESTION, ANYTIME YOU HAVE A 
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SINGLE BID, WHAT'S REALLY CONFUSING TO ME IS THE CURRENT PROVIDER DIDN'T BID ON THIS CONTRACT. ONE OF THE PRINCIPLES OF BUSINESS, IT'S A LOT EASIER TO RETAIN YOUR CUSTOMERS THAN TO GET NEW ONES. I THINK WE WERE SATISFIED WITH --. 
          >> WE WERE. WE HAVE USED CINTAS BEFORE . OUR CURRENT PROVIDER HAS DONE A GOOD JOB FOR US. THEY WERE HAPPY WITH THE COMPANIES. WE DID SEND TWO REPRESENTATIVES . WE HAD EMAILS THAT WENT OUT THAT LOOK AT THE BID BUT AGAIN WE DIDN'T TALK TO THEM DIRECTLY WHY THEY DID NOT BID. WE PUT A CALL IN AND 
          WE HAVE NOT HEARD BACK. >> CONFUSING TO ME. CINTAS IS A NAME BRAND AND A NAME AND FIRE SUPPRESSION. 
          >> WE SPENT ABOUT 30,000 IF WE HAVE REPAIRS. IT'S NOT A HUGE CONTRACT EVERY YEAR BUT IT WAS A THREE-YEAR AGREEMENT . 
          >> SO THIS IS TO AWARD SINGLE BIDDER TO CINTAS FOR FIRE 
          SUPPRESSION AND REPAIR? >> I MOVED FOR APPROVAL. 
          >> ANY COMMENTS, QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS? 
          >> THIS IS FOR THE BOARD MEMBERS BECAUSE I CAN'T RECALL -- I'M ASKING FOR YOUR HELP OF A SITUATION WHERE WE HAVE AN ITEMIZED BILL DID THAT WE DON'T HAVE A TOTAL. STAFF IS TELLING US IT IS WITHIN BUDGET BUT WE CAN'T REFER TO WHAT THOSE AMOUNTS ARE . AND HOW IT FALLS WITHIN THE BUDGET. AND SO, I OBVIOUSLY , THIS IS NOT A COMMENT ON STAFF. I'M CURIOUS TO KNOW , IF THERE IS A SITUATION SIMILAR WHERE YOU COULD REMIND ME, BUT I COULD NOT THINK FOR THE LIFE OF ME OF A SITUATION , AND OF COURSE I HAVE ONLY BEEN ON THE BOARD FOR A LITTLE OVER A YEAR AND A HALF SO I CAN'T REMEMBER A SITUATION WHERE WE ARE OKAY, YOU ARE TELLING US IT IS WITHIN THE BUDGET, SO WE DON'T HAVE TO ACTUALLY SEE THOSE NUMBERS 
          TO MOVE FORWARD. >> IT'S LIKE THE PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT ONE. JUSTIN IS NOT IN HERE BUT IT COVERS ALL OF PARKS SO FOR INSTANCE, WE HAVE A COUPLE OF -- I THINK IT IS RONNIE AND THERE IS ONE IN YOUR DISTRICT , PINE SOMETHING -- ONE OF YOUR PARTS WITH CABAL. HE HAS NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET IF IT GETS APPROVED ON THE 24TH TO PUT LIGHTING AT THOSE COURTS, BUT IN THAT PLAYGROUND BID , HE HAS LIGHTING ALREADY APPROVED, SO AS LONG AS HE IS WITHIN HIS BUDGET, HE CAN GO AND USE THOSE BIDS, BUT THEN BEYOND THAT , THOSE ARE --. THEY GIVE A PRICE FOR LIGHTS, BUT NOT AT THAT FACILITY. IS LIKE A PRICE PER LIGHT, SO HOWEVER MANY YOU CAN USE FOR IT, HE CAN USE IT. ON THIS ONE, HOWEVER MANY FIRE EXTINGUISHERS WE CAN BUY FOR THAT , AND IF IT GOES BEYOND THAT, I WOULD IMAGINE IT WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK TO US OR A SITUATION LIKE THAT. I UNDERSTAND THERE IS NOT LIMITS IN THEIR BUT IT IS KIND OF LIKE , THAT IS HOW THEY DO THE OVERALL EQUIPMENT. THAT IS THE ONE I CAN THINK OF RIGHT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. 
          >> MAYBE LIKE ELEVATORS, WE DO ELEVATOR MAINTENANCE AND INSPECTIONS. THOSE ARE ANNUAL BIDS THAT WE JUST PUT MONEY IN THE BUDGET . THE ITEM YOU REJECTED TODAY EARLIER IN THE AGENDA WAS ELEVATOR REPAIRS, SO THAT WAS A SPECIFIC PROJECT AND WE SAID WE HAVE 130,000 . WE ANTICIPATE IT WILL COST 130,000. IT CAME IN AT 153 . WHEN THE DEPARTMENTS PUT THEIR BUDGETS TOGETHER , THEY ANTICIPATE ANNUALLY WE SPENT 50,000 ON MAINTENANCE ON THE ELEVATORS. WE SPENT 50,000 FOR FIRE AND SPRINKLERS. YOU DON'T SEE A LINE ITEM, BUT THEY DO BUILD THAT INTO THE REPAIR AND MAINTENANCE OR INFORMATION THEY GIVE. OTHER ANNUAL BIDS WE HAVE THAT ARE USED AS NEEDED , PIPE BIDS FOR PUBLIC WORKS PROJECTS . THOSE ARE SOME EXAMPLES THAT 
          WE BRING TO YOU. >> THE WAY I THINK OF IT IS , THIS IS FOR INSPECTION MAINTENANCE AND REPAIR. WE KNOW WE HAVE 100 BY RESTING WISHERS AND THEY HAVE TO BE INSPECTED EVERY PERIODICALLY, WHETHER ANNUAL OR WHATEVER. WE KNOW THOSE COSTS. WHEN THEY ENDS THEM AND FIND A PROBLEM, THEY 
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WILL FIX IT AND GIVE US A QUOTE. WE DON')T KNOW IF IT'S GOING TO BE BROKEN OR ANALYZED. THERE IS SOME KNOWN AND UNKNOWN 
          SPIRIT . >> WE DO THE SAME WITH ENGINEERING SERVICES. SO, IT IS JUST A BID PER HOURLY RATE AND THEN WE ISSUE TASK ORDERS OF OF THOSE AGREEMENTS. 
          >> WE NEED A MOTION, CORRECT? WE HAVE A MOTION. 
          >> JUST NEED THE VOTE. >> ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. 
          [43.  National Association of Counties request for tax-exempt municipal bond-funded infrastructure projects. (T. Nagle)]
PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. WE ARE ONTO LETTERS FOR ACTION, ITEM NUMBER 
          43. >> GOOD EVENING, THERE ARE SOME LEGISLATURE GOING THROUGH AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL POTENTIALLY DOING AWAY WITH THE TAX EXEMPT BONDS. SO THEY HAVE PUT OUT A REQUEST FOR ANY COUNTIES THAT HAVE USED TAX-EXEMPT BONDS TO GIVE A LIST THE PROJECT SO THAT THEY CAN SHOWCASE THE REASON WHY IT IS IMPORTANT FOR US TO HAVE TAX EXEMPT BONDS . LORE HAS PREPARED MEMO AND ASKED FOR APPROVAL TO HAVE THE CHAIRMAN SIGNED THE LETTER AND SHOWCASE WHAT WE HAVE DONE WITH TAX 
          EXEMPT BONDS. >> DID WE GET THAT ADDITIONAL ? 
          >> WE UPDATED . >> WE LISTED THE REASONS WHY WE WANT TO , BUT WE NEVER ASK THEM TO CONTINUE USE OF TAX-FREE EXEMPT MUNICIPAL BONDS. SO, WE ADDED A SENTENCE. WE SUPPORT CONTINUING TAX-FREE EXEMPT BONDS. I HOPE IT MADE IT. 
          >> I CAN READ IT OUT FOR YOU. IN SUMMARY TAX-EXEMPT BONDS SHOULD REMAIN AS AN OPTION FOR COUNTIES TO USE IT TO EXPAND 
          CAPITAL PROJECTS. >> IN SUMMARY, OKAY. 
          >> THE ONLY THING THAT I WOULD ADD THAT I JUST NOTICED OPENING IT UP IS THAT, OUR SWITCHBOARD NUMBERS HAVE NO AREA CODES ATTACHED TO THEM. RIGHT HERE ON THE SIDE OF IT . I MEAN IT SAYS AREA CODE THERE BUT I DON'T KNOW WHY WE WOULD JUST PUT IT --. MAYBE IT IS A FORMATTING THING. IT IS CONFUSING. I KNOW LETTERHEAD GETS TO BE WAY MORE ISSUE THAN IN MY OPINION IT 
          SHOULD BE. >> I TEND TO AGREE WITH YOU. 
          >> ANY OTHER DISCUSSION , ISSUES, IF NOT, I WILL TAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THIS LETTER. 
          >> MOTION TO APPROVE. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND. 
          APPROVE LETTER TO NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF COUNTIES . ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. ANY NAYS, LIKE SIGN. LETTERS OF RECOMMENDATION , BID OPENINGS FOR ELEVATORS, MODERNIZATION . 
          IS AT THE ONE WE REJECTED? THE SECOND PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD IS GOING TO BE OPEN. I HAVE ANTHONY ? HE STILL HERE? I GUESS NOT. ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION? 
          >> THE COMMENT IS ST. JOHN'S TERMINATED THE CONTRACT AUGUST 20 FOR 24 -- 2024. THEY DIDN'T DO A VERY GOOD JOB. IN THE TRASH CANS THAT I HAVE TWO OF THOSE NOW. I DO NOT BELIEVE I SHOULD HAVE TWO TRASH CANS. I ALREADY HAD ONE. 
          >> YOU SHOULD HAVE ONLY HAD ONE DELIVERED TO YOUR PROPERTY. 
          >> THE SAME. NOW THEY HAVE BARCODES ON OURS? 
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          >> EXACTLY THE SAME WITHOUT THE PICTURE. 
          >> TERMINATED IT BUT THEY ARE STILL WORKING THEM FOR A YEAR. 
          >> YEAH, EXACTLY. ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION. CLOSING THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD. COUNTY 
          [COUNTY MANAGER]
          ATTORNEY? COUNTY MANAGER? >> I WOULD LIKE TO DEFER MY TIME TO TIM DEVON . A LOT IS HAPPENING IN THE TROPICS AND WE 
          SHOULD GET A QUICK UPDATE. >> WITH ALL THE RAIN WE HAD YOU ARE GOING TO TALK ABOUT MORE RAIN? 
          >> EXACTLY. WE HAVE THAT FORCE FIELD BUILT UP AROUND CLAY COUNTY THAT PUSHES THESE. I.T. HAS BEEN WORKING WITH ME ON THAT. GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS, TIMOTHY, MANAGER FOR CLAY COUNTY. THANK YOU TO THE COUNTY MANAGER FOR YIELDING HIS TIME TO PROVIDE UPDATES. AS ALWAYS, WE ARE WATCHING THE TROPICS. THE THING TO NOTICE THIS YEAR VERSUS ANY OTHER SEASON IS THE WEATHER SERVICE IS PUSHING OUT A LOT MORE PERCENTAGES . MOST OF THOSE PERCENTAGES DO NOT EVEN TURN INTO A TROPICAL DEPRESSION OR A TROPICAL STORM. FIVE DAYS AGO WE HAD SIX DIFFERENT AREAS THAT WERE BETWEEN 10 AND 30% THAT WE WERE WATCHING THAT IS NOW DOWN TO 30 AND WE ONLY HAD ONE DEVELOPMENT, WHICH IS THE ONE THAT IS HEADED TOWARDS LOUISIANA AND MISSISSIPPI RIGHT NOW. THAT IS FRANCINE. THEY ARE LOOKING AT IT BEING A CATEGORY ONE ABOUT 90 MILES AN HOUR WHEN IT HITS. WE COULD SEE SOME OF THE WEATHER FROM THE BANDS. WE ARE NOT GOING TO BE IN THE WINDOW FOR A TORNADO, HOWEVER THE PANHANDLE OF FLORIDA WILL BE. SO WE WILL SEE SOME RAINS . 
          IF IT DOES SHIFT MORE TOWARDS US, WE MAY SEE SOME MORE SUBSTANTIAL WINS AND RAIN FROM THAT. HOWEVER, IT IS NOT COMING IN THIS DIRECTION. WE DO HAVE AN 80% SITTING OUT IN THE ATLANTIC RIGHT NOW THAT WE ARE WATCHING THAT COULD BE SEVEN TO 10 DAYS OUT FOR TO DEVELOP, BUT REMEMBER, THAT IS ONLY 80% THAT IT COULD TURN INTO A TROPICAL DEPRESSION AND NOT EVEN A HURRICANE. SO, WE ARE WATCHING THAT. AS ALWAYS, WE ARE WATCHING THE RAIN FALL ANYWAYS BECAUSE OF THE BLACK CREEK AND THE FLOODING WE COULD HAVE. WE HAVE NOT BEEN TOWARDS ANY OF THE MARKERS AS OF YET THAT WE ARE MONITORING THAT. I ALSO WANT TO EMPHASIZE AND ANYONE THAT HAS HEARD ME SPEAK IN THE COMMUNITY HEARS ME SAY THIS, I AM NOT WORRIED ABOUT THE CATEGORY THREE OR FOUR OR FIVE. EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT IS DEVASTATING. HAVE SEEN KATRINA. THEY HAVE SEEN ANDREW. THEY KNOW IT IS GOING TO BE DEVASTATING. I AM WORRIED IN THIS COUNTY FOR A CATEGORY TWO. TODAY MARKS THE 60TH ANNIVERSARY FROM HURRICANE DORA THAT HIT ST. JOHNS COUNTY AND CROSS CLAY COUNTY. IT WAS A CATEGORY TWO AT 125 MILES AN HOUR WHEN IT HIT IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY. THAT IS 60 YEARS AGO . 
          MOST OF THE PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTY PROBABLY DO NOT REMEMBER THAT IMPACT. EVERYTHING THAT WE ARE USED TO RIGHT NOW HAS BEEN A DEPRESSION GRADE TROPICAL STORM THAT HAS COME CLOSE TO US. IT HAS BEEN THAT LONG SINCE A TRUE HURRICANE HAS CROSSED THE TOPIC OF LATE -- LAKE COUNTY. THAT IS THE MESSAGE I AM PUSHING TO THE CITIZENS. DON'T DISCOUNT A ONE OR TWO. 
          IT WILL CAUSE DAMAGE TO CLAY COUNTY. IT WAS AMAZING THAT 60 YEARS AGO TODAY IT WAS THE NINTH AND THE 10TH OF SEPTEMBER WHEN THAT HIT AND CROSSED. THE OTHER ONE -- THERE WAS A 92% WITHOUT COUNTY -- POWER. THERE WERE HOMES IN PALATKA , SIX YEARS AGO AND 584 HOMES WERE DESTROYED FROM A CATEGORY TWO. 
          NOT EVEN AT THREE OR FOUR OR FIVE. I JUST WANT TO EMPHASIZE THAT. MY OTHER ONE IS , BEING A FIRST RESPONDER AND FIREFIGHTER, TOMORROW IS 9/11. I KNOW THERE IS GOING TO BE A LOT OF EVENTS THAT ARE DONE TOMORROW BUT I JUST WANT TO EMPHASIZE THAT AND PASS THAT ALONG AS WELL. AS ALWAYS, I REMIND THE CITIZENS AND EVERYONE TO STAY PLUGGED INTO YOUR NORMAL WEATHER MEANS FOR GETTING UPDATES FOR THE WEATHER. LIKE OUR FACEBOOK PAGE FOR CLAY COUNTY EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT AND WE PUSH OUT WHEN IT BECOMES A SEVERE AND WHEN IT WILL IMPACT CLAY, WE PUSH OUT MESSAGING FOR THAT . AS ALWAYS, FOR SIGNING UP FOR ALERTS WITHIN CLAY COUNTY, EVEN IF YOU HAVE A FAMILY OR ELDERLY OR OTHERS THAT ARE IN CLAY COUNTY, SIGN UP FOR THOSE ALERTS AS WELL SO THAT YOU CAN BE NOTIFIED OF THAT. AND YOU CAN ALWAYS GO TO OUR WEBSITE AND EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT TAB UNDER THE CLAY COUNTY WEBSITE. WILL PROVIDE A LOT OF INFORMATION AS WELL. WITH THAT, ANY QUESTIONS 
          THT YOU HAVE FOR ME? >> NO THANK YOU. 
          >> CHAIRMAN, THAT'S ALL I HAVE. 
          [COMMISSIONERS' COMMENTS]
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          >> MY MOTHER TELLS STORIES ABOUT READING BOOKS DURING HURRICANE DORA. SHE LIVED THROUGH IT. SHE WAS A TEENAGER. 
          BUT ANYWAY, I JUST HAVE ONE THING TONIGHT, MR. CHAIRMAN. 
          THE CLAY COUNTY TRANSPORTATION DISADVANTAGED QUARTERLY MEETING IS MONDAY AT 2:00 P.M. . I AM GOING TO BE OUT OF TOWN, SO I WAS WONDERING IF ANY OF YOU WOULD BE AVAILABLE TO CHAIR THAT MEETING AND IF NOT, I CAN EMAIL SUMMER AND SEE IF THEY CAN MOVE THE MEETING OR HAVE ONE OF THE OTHER MEMBERS FILL 
          IN. >> IT'S HERE? AND IT IS 
          MONDAY? >> 2:00. 
          >> I CAN DO IT. >> I WILL FORWARD YOU THE MEETING REQUEST. THEY HAVE NOT PUT OUT THE AGENDA YET. 
          >> THERE IS SOME CANVASSING LATER ON. 
          >> I DID THAT FOR YOU. I LEARNED A LOT. THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE DON'T NECESSARILY EDUCATE THE PUBLIC ON , AND I WILL GIVE A QUICK RECAP OF WHEN I HAD TO DO CANVASSING BOARD FOR COMMISSIONER RENNINGER. AFTER THE PRIMARY ELECTION, THERE WAS SOMETHING LIKE 172 VOTES THAT WERE DEEMED ILLEGAL BECAUSE PEOPLE COULDN'T , DIDN'T GET THEM INTO THE SUPERVISOR OF ELECTIONS OFFICE ON TIME. THERE WERE THREE PEOPLE WHO USED PRIOR VOTE BY MAIL BALLOTS THAT WEREN'T FOR THE SELECTION. I'M LIKE, WHAT YOU HAVE THEM SITTING AROUND? CLEAN OFF YOUR DESK. THERE IS A CODE ON THEM. 
          I'M LIKE, WHO DID THEY VOTE FOR? THOSE AREN'T EVEN THE SAME CANDIDATES. BUT ANYWAY. SO, WHEN YOU VOTE, PLEASE VOTE IN THE RIGHT ELECTION AND GET YOUR BALLOT ON TIME. THAT'S 
          ALL. >> I'M LOOKING AT MY CALENDAR. 
          IT IS ALREADY ON MY CALENDAR. >> I JUST SENT IT TO YOU. 
          >> YOU DID? >> I DID NOT ASSUME ANYTHING. 
          >> LET ME SEE IF THIS WORKS. WHAT AM I HAVING FOR DINNER? 
          >> JUST A COUPLE OF THINGS TONIGHT, IN LINE WITH THE VETERAN THEME , AS THE BOARD OF REPRESENTATIVES FOR FIRE WATCH , THEY ASKED ME TO BRING BEFORE YOU -- AND I'M LOOKING FOR SOME FEEDBACK ON THEIR REQUEST FOR $20,000 LINE ITEM TO BE ADDED TO OUR BUDGET THIS YEAR FOR THE EMAIL THAT WAS SENT OUT LAST WEEK . YOU KNOW THEIR MISSION, VETERANS SUICIDE AND SO THEY ARE ASKING US TO MAKE AN EXCEPTION SPECIFICALLY FOR THIS YEAR AND THIS YEAR ONLY BECAUSE THEY ARE IN THAT PROCESS OF TRANSITIONING FROM A GOVERNMENT ENTITY INTO A NONPROFIT AND AS YOU REMEMBER, JUST A FEW WEEKS AGO, WE DISSOLVED OUR MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING AND TRANSFERRED THE PHYSICAL ASSETS . THEY ARE ASKING TONIGHT TO RECEIVE $20,000 AS A LINE ITEM IN OUR BUDGET FOR FISCAL YEAR 24-25. 
          >> IF I COULD, MR. CHAIR, AND I WILL TREAD LIGHTLY BECAUSE I THINK THE ORIGINAL MISSION OF FIRE WATCH WAS OUTSTANDING. I WAS ON THE BOARD AT THE TIME WERE PROVED THAT AND ACTUALLY GOT TO SIGN THE PAPERWORK WITH THE OTHER CHAIRMAN AND MAYOR . 
          IT IS TRADITIONAL THAT WHEN YOU ASK AN ORGANIZATION FOR MONEY THAT SOMEBODY FROM THE ORGANIZATION COMES FORWARD AND SAYS WE WOULD LOVE TO BE INCLUDED AS FAR AS YOUR BUDGET IS CONCERNED. I GIVE THEM CREDIT, GAVE ME A CALL, BUT I SAID, IT WOULD BE GREAT TO SEE YOU FOLKS HERE AND CATCH US UP TO DATE ON YOUR STATS AND GIVE US A PICTURE OF WHAT IS GOING ON . AND ALSO, TELL US WHERE YOU ARE GOING TO USE OUR MONEY BECAUSE IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THEY HAVE USED THE MONIES THAT WE HAVE BUDGETED FOR THEM IN THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS TO EXPAND THEIR ORGANIZATION AND WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE RESULTS HAVE BEEN FOR WHAT THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO BE. IT WOULD BE GREAT . BEFORE I PUT ANYTHING -- AND I WAS A SKEPTIC IN THE 
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BEGINNING. WHATEVER MONIES THEY ASKED US FOR IN THE BEGINNING , WHETHER WE WOULD BE BETTER OFF PUTTING THOSE MONIES TOWARDS OUR VETERANS HERE IN CLAY COUNTY. WOULD WE GET MORE OUT OF THAT? I RELENTED AND WE JOINED FIRE WATCH AND IT SEEMS LIKE THEY HAD A PRETTY GOOD RUN. NOW THAT THEY ARE EXPANDING TO -- I'M NOT SURE WHERE THEY ARE EXPANDING TO. I KNOW IT IS THE REST OF FLORIDA AND THE SOUTHEAST. IT WOULD BE NICE TO SEE SOME KIND OF BUSINESS PLAN AS TO HOW OUR DOLLAR IS GOING TO BE USED MORE SO THAN JUST PUTTING US ON A LINE ITEM AND THANKS VERY MUCH WE WILL USE YOUR MONEY. BUT WHAT ARE WE USING THE MONEY FOR? I HAVE AN OBJECTION BUT I ALSO THINK IT WOULD BE NICE TO KNOW A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT WHAT THEY ARE DOING WITH THE MONEY. OTHERWISE WE HAVE GREAT ORGANIZATIONS THAT WE GIVE $20,000 TO AND HELPS VETERANS RIGHT HERE IN CLAY COUNTY. 
          >> I DON'T KNOW WHETHER WE ALL RECEIVED AN EMAIL OR NOT. I CERTAINLY DID AND ALONG WITH PHONE CALLS AND I THOUGHT WE CHANGED THE STRATEGY TO BE IN APPLICATION PROCESS FOR ANY AND ALL NONPROFITS. OF WHICH I NOTIFIED FIRE WATCH , APPLIED FOR A GRANT AND WE WILL SEE. I WILL PROBABLY SUPPORT IT . I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THEY HAVE APPLIED FOR THE GRANT. THAT'S THE WAY IT USED TO WORK. I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THEY HAVE 
          APPLIED FOR IT. DO YOU KNOW ? >> YES. MY UNDERSTANDING AS OF LAST NIGHT, THEY HAD NOT FILLED OUT THE APPLICATION FOR THE PROCESS TO SPEAK TO COMMISSIONER CELLA'S QUESTION IN MY DISCUSSIONS WITH THEM, I HAD THE SAME WONDER AND IN THE EMAIL THAT THEY SENT, THEY WERE SHARING THE SPECIFIC TO CLAY COUNTY VETERANS SUICIDE HAD DROPPED BY 30 7% SINCE 2019, WHEN THIS VERSE WAS IMPLEMENTED. AS A REGION, ALL FIVE COUNTIES INVOLVED AM A 46% DECREASE IN VETERAN SUICIDES HIM ABOUT SPECIFIC TO CLAY COUNTY, WE HAVE SEEN 37% DECREASE . IF I AM REMEMBERING CORRECTLY, THERE PITCH WAS THAT CLAY COUNTY SAW THE GREATEST BENEFIT WITH RESPECT TO THE DOLLARS SPENT FOR ALLOCATED TO THE PROJECT AND THE RESULTS THAT WERE ACHIEVED. THERE ASK IS THAT -- IT WAS SPECIFICALLY FOR THIS YEAR, SOME FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES FELL THROUGH AT THE STATE LEVEL AND SO IN THEIR MINDS, WHAT WAS COMMUNICATED TO ME WAS THAT THIS YEAR WAS CRITICAL FOR THE EXPANSION OF THE PROGRAM BECAUSE THAT FUNDING IS NOT ALLOCATED FOR 2024 TO 2025. THEY ARE IN A VERY DICEY SITUATION AND SO I ASKED FOR THE COMMITMENT . IF THE COMMISSION WERE TO MOVE IN THIS DIRECTION, THIS IS -- YOU WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS LIKE EVERY OTHER NONPROFIT. THEIR ARGUMENT WAS THAT THE ORGANIZATION HAS DONE EXACTLY WHAT THEY WERE CREATED TO DO. THE FIVE COUNTIES CAME TOGETHER WITH THIS MISSION AND THEY SUCCEEDED THREE YEARS EARLY, SO THEIR ARGUMENT IS THAT THEY ARE A VICTIM OF THEIR OWN SUCCESS AND THIS HAS SCALED AND PROVEN TO BE AN ASSET THAT SHOULD EXPAND STATEWIDE. IT HAPPENED A LOT SOONER THAN THEY WERE ANTICIPATING AND I THINK THE REQUEST IS , HELP US FOR ONE MORE YEAR WITH THE $20,000 AND THEN OF COURSE THEY DID OUTLINE SOME PRIVATE DONORS WHO HAVE ALREADY COMMITTED IN THIS EFFORT FOR 24. THEY ARE ASKING THAT WE ALSO DO THE SAME. SO, THAT IS -- I HOPE THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION, COMMISSIONER CELLA . AND YOUR ASK ABOUT THE PROCESS AND WHETHER THEY UNDERWENT THAT PROCESS WITH US 
          . >> I THINK IT ANSWERED SOME OF MY QUESTIONS BUT IT WOULD HAVE BEEN NICE TO HEAR FROM NICK AND HIS OTHER CHARITABLE WORK THAT HE DOES IN THE JACKSONVILLE COMMUNITY. I SAW SOMEBODY WHO DOESN'T THINK ABOUT US UNTIL IT IS SEPTEMBER BUDGET MONTH AND REACHES OUT TO TALK TO US, 
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NEVER A PHONE CALL, NEVER A VISIT. I MEAN, YOU HAD AN EMAIL. MAYBE I OVER LOOKED AN EMAIL. I DON'T REMEMBER SEEING ONE. I HAVE A PROBLEM WHEN IT COMES TO THAT KIND OF TAKING US FOR GRANTED THAT WE ARE JUST GOING TO -- AS I KNOW NOT ALL OF THE ORIGINAL CHARTER MEMBERS OF FIRE WATCH , GIVING THEM MONIES THIS YEAR AND PART OF IT IS AGAIN BECAUSE , IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT WE ALL FEEL LIKE A MISSION -- WE ARE BEING LEFT BEHIND AT THIS POINT. IN MOST CASES, ANY KIND OF NONPROFIT, IF THEY DON'T HAVE THE MONEY, THEY DON'T EXPAND. 
          MAYBE WE HOLD BACK AND NEXT YEAR WE GO OUT. I UNDERSTAND THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO NEED HELP . A LOT OF PEOPLE NEED FOOD. OUR NONPROFITS RIGHT HERE IN CLAY COUNTY DON'T GET TO DO -- DON'T BE TO SERVE ADDITIONAL PEOPLE IF THEY DON'T HAVE THE FUNDS AND WHEREWITHAL TO DO THAT. 
          >> I THOUGHT A COUPLE OF MEETINGS AGO THERE -- THE GENERAL DISTRICT I THOUGHT HE CAME AND HE SPOKE TO US AND I THOUGHT HE WAS GOING TO ASK THAT NIGHT FOR THE MONEY, BUT THEN HE DIDN'T . I DON'T KNOW IF IT GOT UNCOMFORTABLE. 
          THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT HE WAS HERE FOR THAT NIGHT. I HAD TALKED TO NICK ON THE PHONE AND HE WAS -- HE SAID HE WAS INTENDING TO COME AND MEET WITH ME. HE WAS DOING -- HE WAS AT THE TIME, HE WAS -- HE IS ON THE BUDGET COMMITTEE FOR THE CITY OF JACKSONVILLE. HE WAS IN BUDGET HEARINGS AND THEN HE MENTIONED SOMEONE ELSE WHO SITS ON THE FIRE WATCH ABOARD. WE WOULD HAVE COME AND MET WITH YOU. THAT PERSON IS IN HOT WATER WITH THE COUNTY. THAT PERSON PROBABLY DOESN'T WANT TO MEET WITH ME AND I DIDN'T BRING THAT UP WITH NICK AND I WON'T BRING IT UP HERE. I WILL LET THAT GO. I DIDN'T SAY HIS NAME. GET YOUR STUFF RIGHT. ANYWAY, I FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH ITS. I GUESS I CAN UNDERSTAND HOW YOU FEEL BECAUSE I DON'T REALLY UNDERSTAND IT IS GOING TO CHANGE AND STILL APPLY -- . 
          YOU WERE A COMMISSIONER ON THAT BOARD THAT FIRST SIGNED ON WITH FIRE WATCH. I UNDERSTAND COMPLETELY. YOU ARE INVESTING $20,000 TO SAVE VETERANS IN CLAY COUNTY'S LIVES. 
          >> IT WAS LESS THAN THAT. IT HAS GROWN TO --. 
          >> BUT YOU WERE INVESTING DIRECTLY INTO THE LIVES OF CLAY COUNTY VETERANS AND THAT IS TO BE COMMENDED. EVEN ONE LIFE SAVED IS PRICELESS. I UNDERSTAND HOW YOU FEEL. I DON'T MIND SUPPORTING IT. I UNDERSTAND THE TRANSITION. I FEEL LIKE IT KIND OF CAME OUT OF NOWHERE. DID THEY LOSE THE FUNDING FROM THE STATE ? THEY WEREN'T EXPECTING THAT? 
          >> THAT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING. THEY HAD BEEN TRACKING IT AND IT GOT TO THE LAST SECOND TO LAST PHASE OF THE BUDGETING PROCESS AND THAT IS WHERE THE FUNDING FELL THROUGH. SO, ALL ROADS WERE LEADING TO HAVING THE STATE SUPPLEMENT AND THEN IT WOULD HAVE BEEN LESS DICEY FOR THEM TO COME TO US AND RELY ON THE $20,000 BUT NOW IT SEEMS TO BE CANDIDLY JUST SEEMS TO BE MORE DESPERATE BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE ITS. 
          >> I CAN TELL YOU WHY IT IS MORE DESPERATE. THE CITY OF JACKSONVILLE IS NOT GIVING THEM THEIR SHARE WHEN THEY PAY A MAJORITY OF THE FUNDS IN THE PAST, BUT WITH NICK BEING THE CEO OF FIRE WATCH AND SERVING AS A CITY COUNCILMAN IN JACKSONVILLE. ABOUT A EURO SO OR GO THEY FELL INTO A PROBLEM WERE A NUMBER OF CEOS OR PEOPLE THAT WERE HIGH UP IN NONPROFITS WERE ALSO GETTING MONEY OUT OF THE BUDGET IN JACKSONVILLE AND VOTING ON IT THEMSELVES. AND SO, THE CITY I THINK PAST A STATUTE ORDINANCE OR WHATEVER TO PREVENT THAT AND SO THEREFORE THE MONEY THAT JACKSONVILLE IS PUTTING IN 
          WASN'T ASKED FOR. >> I GUESS MY PROBLEM IS, HOW ONEROUS IS THE APPLICATION PROCESS? 
          >> FIRE WATCHES DEFENSE, THE APPLICATION PROCESS HASN'T BEEN OPENED YET. WE ARE WORKING TOWARD IMPLEMENTING IT BECAUSE WE CAN'T OPEN THE APPLICATION PROCESS UNTIL THE BUDGET IS APPROVED. HAVE NO MONEY TO AWARD, SO THE TIMELINE WE LAID 
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OUT WAS TO OPEN THE BUDGET PROCESS. IN FIRE WATCHES DEFENSE, WE HAVEN'T OPENED AN APPLICATION PROCESS FOR THEM TO APPLY YET. IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS. IN THEIR DEFENSE, THE QUESTION WAS, HAVE THEY APPLIED? IN THEIR DEFENSE THEY CAN'T APPLY BECAUSE WE HAVE NOT DONE OUR PIECE. 
          >> WE KNOW WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT, NOT A LOT, BUT A LITTLE BIT OF ARPA MONEY THAT IS HANGING OUT THERE THAT WE CAN PROBABLY ALLOCATE A LITTLE BIT MORE TOWARDS THE NONPROFITS FOR WHEN YOU'RE. WE KNOW ARPA IS GOING AWAY BUT THEY ARE ONLY ASKING FOR THIS HERE. IS THERE AN ISSUE WITH ASKING THEM TO DO THE APPLICATION PROCESS AND THEN THEY WOULD HAVE TO GIVE US MORE OF THAT INFORMATION. I THINK IT IS VALUABLE TO HAVE THAT, ABOUT THEIR BUSINESS PLAN , HOW THE MONEY WOULD BE USED IN THAT DIRECTION. CAN WE JUST NOT AFFORDED? 
          >> I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE OPERA PROCESS . WHAT I DO KNOW IS THAT THE COUNTY HAS ROUGHLY $160,000 ALLOCATED TO THIS , TO NONPROFITS. SO, THAT PART IS A BUDGETARY CONSTRAINT FOR US. 
          IT'S IF WE MOVE IN THAT DIRECTION. AND THEN YOU ARE DOWN TO 140 FOUR THE OTHERS THAT DO HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE APPLICATION . THAT'S WHY I WAS MENTIONING THE EXTRA BECAUSE MAYBE WE COULD BRIDGE . I DON'T KNOW. 
          >> I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT AMOUNT, BUT BASED ON THE ACTIONS TONIGHT, I KNOW THERE IS AT LEAST 90,000 LEFT. PHASE TWO WAS $90,000 IN ARPA YOU WERE CARRYING FORWARD. YOU DIDN'T GO FORWARD WITH PHASE TWO SO I KNOW THERE IS AT LEAST 90,000 THAT WE FREED UP TONIGHT. 
          >> I LIKE THAT OPTION. IF WE CAN -- IF WE CAN MEET THAT DIFFERENCE , I THINK IT'S WORTH IT TO EXPLORE THAT OPTION IN LIGHT OF THE CONSTRAINT WITH THE SELF-IMPOSED CONSTRAINT THAT FIRE WATCH HAS COMMITTED TO AND THIS IS NOT A RECURRING BUDGET LINE ITEM. IT'S JUST FOR THE YEAR AND THEY WOULD THEN HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE SAME PROCESS THAT EVERYBODY ELSE DOES, BUT WHAT IS PERSUASIVE FOR ME MOVING IN THIS DIRECTION. WE WERE ONE OF THE FIRST FIVE , AND THE TRANSITION IS HAPPENING RIGHT NOW AND THEY ACCOMPLISHED WHAT THEY SET OUT TO ACCOMPLISH AND IT HAS BENEFITED CLAY COUNTY IN THE THREE OR FOUR YEARS IT HAS BEEN IMPLEMENTED HERE. AND SO, THAT CARRIES A LOT OF WEIGHT , TO ME, TO LOOK AT THIS DEEPER AND NOT FORECLOSE ON THIS REQUEST. $90,000 FROM THE VETERANS PARK PROJECT , IF THERE IS ANY WAY TO MOVE SUCH THAT IT DOES MEET THE NEED OR BRIDGE A GAP, I'M HAPPY TO AT LEAST LOOK AT THAT, EXPLORE THE OPTION. 
          >> IT WOULD BE AT THE BOARD'S DISCRETION. 
          >> I THINK WE COULD -- I WILL HAVE TO LOOK AT THE LANGUAGE. 
          THERE IS MEDICAL PROVISIONS. THERE IS A STUFF ABOUT SUICIDE IN THERE. I'M NOT GOING TO SAY 100% . IF YOU ARE USING ARPA FUNDS , THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY AFFECT YOUR BUDGET BECAUSE IT IS NOT GOING TO CHANGE THE LINE ITEMS. IT'S PART OF THE ARPA FUNDING. WE CAN DO SOME INVESTIGATING, BRING THAT BACK TO YOU NEXT WEEK OR TWO WEEKS FROM NOW, SAY YES IT WORKS , UNDER ARPA AND THEN YOU COULD SAY, AYE OR NAY, IF I CAN HAVE THE TWO WEEKS TO MAKE SURE IT MEETS THE 
          CRITERIA. >> I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF MOVING IN THAT DIRECTION BECAUSE WE WOULDN'T BE TAKING AWAY FROM ANY CLAY COUNTY IN NONPROFITS. IT'S A ONE-TIME THING. KNOW ARPA MONEY WILL BE AVAILABLE NEXT YEAR. WE NEED TO MAKE A DETERMINATION OF WHAT THEY ARE DOING AND HOW THEY ARE DOING IT. THEY HAD QUARTERLY MEETINGS RIGHT HERE IN THIS BOARDROOM. GENERAL FLEMING WAS HERE AND ROLLINS WAS HERE. 
          BERNIE WAS HERE AS THE LEADERSHIP OF THAT ORGANIZATION AND THEY HAD VETERANS COME IN AND TALK TO THEM ABOUT SUICIDE. 
          WE DON'T SEE ANY OF THAT GRASSROOTS STUFF THAT GOES ON. 
          I HAVE TO ADMIT, I'M NOT SOMEBODY THAT WOULD BE INVITED TO THE MEETING BUT I KNOW WHAT GOES ON IN CLAY COUNTY AND I DON'T THINK THAT HAS HAPPENED FOR SOMETIME. IF THEY WANTED US 
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TO CONTINUE , THOSE ARE THINGS THAT HAVE TO BE PUT ON THE TABLE AND DISCUSSED BEFORE WE WENT ON. THAT COULD BE FOR NEXT YEAR'S DISCUSSION AS WE MOVE FORWARD. I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM USING ARPA MONEY CONSIDERING WE HAVE TAKEN IT OUT OF THE VETERANS PARK. MARK --. 
          >> TO YOUR POINT, BECAUSE IT WOULD BE AN ARPA CONTRACT, YOU WOULD ACTUALLY PROBABLY BE ABLE TO PUT A LITTLE BIT MORE CONSTRAINTS AROUND IT BECAUSE THE AGREEMENT WITH THE FIVE COUNTY ENTITY DISSOLVED CORRECT? SO WE HAVE TO ENTER INTO CONTRACT TO GET THE 20,000. IN THAT CONTRACT, YOU COULD PUT SOME OF THOSE PARAMETERS OF A QUARTERLY REPORT . IF THAT IS THE CONCERN OF THE BOARD, I THINK YOU HAVE MORE FLEXIBILITY SINCE IT IS GOING TO BE AN INDIVIDUALIZED CONTRACT AND NOT PART OF THE FIVE COUNTY. THAT MAY ALSO HELP 
          A LITTLE BIT. >> I DON'T OBJECT TO THE WHOLE PROCESS, EXCEPT THEY NEED TO APPLY FOR. I'M NOT GOING TO VOTE FOR A LINE ITEM. THEY NEED TO TELL ME WHAT THEY ARE GOING TO DO AND WHAT VALUE IT WILL BE TO US, BECAUSE WE AS A COMMISSION DECIDED WE WOULD NOT FUND NONPROFIT ORGANIZATIONS , OR WE WOULD WITH A REQUEST. A SUBMISSION . I THOUGHT THE 
          APPLICATION WAS OUT ALREADY. >> MY ONLY CONCERN IS, APPLYING UNDER A NORMAL NONPROFIT GRANT APPLICATION THAT WE ARE OPENING UP VERSUS APPLYING FOR ARPA FUNDS AND WE ARE REALLY NOT SAYING WE HAVE GOT X DOLLARS FOR NONPROFITS TO APPLY FOR ARPA FUNDS LIKE WE DID BEFORE. I'M JUST CONCERNED ABOUT DOING AN APPLICATION PROCESS WHEN YOU ONLY HAVE $20,000 YOU ARE 
          GIVING OUT. >> WE DID CHANGE THE WAY WE 
          CHANGED THAT WHOLE SCOPE. >> RIGHT, BUT WE NEED TO GO THROUGH AN APPLICATION PROCESS. THAT'S WHAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT. IF YOU USE ARPA DOLLARS FOR IT, I DON'T KNOW HOW WE OPEN UP AN APPLICATION PROCESS WHEN YOU ARE ONLY DOING --. 
          >> WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A NONPROFIT APPLICATION OCTOBER 
          1ST. >> YOU ARE SAYING THEY ARE 
          DIVERGENT EXIT >> THAT IS MY ONLY CONCERN. 
          >> WERE WE FUND FROM IS UP TO US. THE PROCESS TO REQUEST THE MONEY --. THAT'S THE WAY I AM LOOKING AT IT. 
          >> THE COUNTY MANAGER , DO YOU WANT THEM TO SUBMIT A LETTER REQUESTING THE MONEY? IT SOUNDS LIKE TO ME THAT WOULD SUFFICE. 
          YOU WANT AN APPLICATION PROCESS? 
          >> DON'T WE HAVE AN APPLICATION PROCESS FOR NONPROFITS FOR BUDGETARY CONSIDERATION? 
          >> THAT IS VERY DIFFERENT THAN FUNDING NONPROFITS UNDER ARPA, WHICH I HAVE TO PUT A LOT MORE RESTRICTIONS ON IF I'M SAYING THAT THE MONEY AND APPLICATION PROCESS IS GOING TO BE USED FOR ARPA. I CAN'T HAVE ANY NONPROFIT APPLY FOR OPERA FUNDING. IF YOU WANT ME TO HAVE THEM OR WATCH SUBMIT UNDER THE GOING TO GET MONEY IS MY ONLY POINT. 
          >> I WANT THEM TO AT LEAST COME HERE AND DISCUSS THIS. NEXT 
          MEETING. >> WE KNOW WHAT HE WANTS. HOW 
          DO WE FUND IT? >> IF I CAN MAKE THE SUGGESTION, LET US LOOK AT THE ARPA FUNDING IF THAT IS THE DIRECTION WE WANT TO GO. LET'S SEE IF IT QUALIFIES. WE CAN REACH OUT TO FIRE WATCH , FIND SOME SPECIFICATIONS, GET A LETTER FROM THEM AND SAYING, HERE IS WHAT WE WILL OUTLINE. 
          HERE IS WHAT WE WILL DO AND THEN WE CAN BRING ALL THAT BACK IS A PACKAGE AND YOU GUYS CAN DECIDE OR IF YOU SAY NO IT IS NOT WHAT YOU WANT, YOU WANT TO GO THROUGH THE APPLICATION PROCESS, THAT WOULD BE THE BOARD'S DECISION. 
          >> MY CONCERN IS, WE HAVE 160,000. LAST YEAR WE HAD 300,000. THERE IS GOING TO BE ISSUES. YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE TO RACK AND STACK AND SAY NO. WE NEED TO DECIDE WHO WE ARE SAYING NO TO. THERE ARE A LOT OF GOOD ORGANIZATIONS WHO WILL 
          APPLY FOR THAT 160,000. >> THE REAL QUESTION IS COMMISSIONER CELLA'S QUESTION OF HOW DOES THIS BENEFIT 
          VETERANS OF CLAY COUNTY? >> WILL MAKE SURE THEY PUT THAT INTO A LETTER FORM AND WE CAN INCLUDE THAT IN THE CONTRACT. 
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PART OF OUR NON-PROFIT CONTRACT GOING FORWARD, NONPROFITS THAT USE YOUR MONEY EVERY YEAR WILL HAVE TO COME PRESENT TO THE BOARD AND SAY WHAT THEY DID WITH IT. THAT IS ALREADY PART ÚOF WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT. THERE IS NO REASON WE CAN'T WRITE THAT INTO THAT. YOU MUST SHOW UP TWICE A YEAR AND TELL THE BOARD WHAT YOU ARE DOING. I THINK WE HAVE DIRECTION. 
          >> GOOD. >> DON'T LET ME INTERRUPT THE THEME. LET ME THROW IT OUT THERE AGAIN THAT WE HAVE THE VETERANS 5K ON THE NINTH OF NOVEMBER WITH THE EXHIBITION SOFTBALL GAME TO KICKOFF VETERANS DAY WEEKEND AND ALL OF THE DETAILS , LAURA'S TEAM , THE TOURISM TEAM HAVE ALL DONE A PHENOMENAL JOB OF GETTING THAT. EVERYBODY IS WORKING TOWARDS GETTING THAT OUT TO THE COMMUNITY AND GETTING ENGAGEMENT . NEXT THING IS THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL. THERE WAS A NEWS ARTICLE SEGMENT YESTERDAY ON THE PROGRESS THAT RICHARD AND HIS TEAM IN THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT , THE GOOD WORK THEY HAVE DONE TO BRING THAT LINE TO EAGLE LANDING. JUST A HAT TIP TO YOU AND GETTING THIS DONE TIMELY. I KNOW THERE HAVE BEEN A LOT OF SHIFTING . THE CONSTITUENTS DON'T KNOW ABOUT IT SINCE THE END OF LAST YEAR. AND DEADLINES THAT HAD TO BE PUSHED BUT HERE WE ARE WITH A PROJECTED COMPLETION DATE OF MID-OCTOBER. THAT IS A HUGE DEAL AND I KNOW THAT YOU HAVE PUT A LOT OF WORK IN THE SPIRIT HOWARD KEEPS ME UPDATED AND I AM SO GRATEFUL FOR THAT WORK. THE LAST THING I RECEIVED FROM THE SPEED LIMIT CHANGE THAT HAPPENED OUT ON OLD JENNINGS. 
          THE COUNTY HAS TAKEN AFFIRMATIVE STEPS TO BRING AWARENESS TO THAT CHANGE. WE WERE UPDATED ON THAT BEFORE THE MEETING. AGAIN, THANK YOU. I KNOW, RICHARD, YOU ARE A PART OF THAT PROCESS ALSO. JUST AGAIN, I THANK YOU TO STAFF AND EVERYTHING, THAT YOU GUYS DO TO KEEP MOVING. MR. CHAIR, THAT'S 
          ALL I HAVE FOR TONIGHT. >> COMMISSIONER CELLA? 
          >> I'M GOING TO WARN TIM, I'M GOING TO BRING SOMETHING UP THAT MAY MAKE HIM FLINCH, THE 20TH ANNIVERSARY OF FLORIDA GOING THROUGH FOUR HURRICANES IN SIX WEEKS. 
          >> HE'S NOT GOING TO SLEEP TONIGHT. 
          >> CHARLIE FRANCIS EILEEN AND JEAN. I REMEMBER AT SOME POINT SOMEBODY HANDED ME SOMETHING FROM JDA, 800,000 CUSTOMERS WITHOUT POWER. YOU TALK ABOUT STORMS I FEEL LIKE I'M TALKING ABOUT THE GOOD OLD DAYS.. I JUST THOUGHT , 20 YEARS AGO WE WENT THROUGH THAT AND IT SEEMED LIKE EVERY WEEKEND WE HAD A HURRICANE CROSSED THE STATE . A COUPLE OF THINGS, THIS WEEKEND AT THE FAIRGROUNDS, PROFESSIONAL RODEOS BENEFITING CLAY 4H, GET OUT THERE AND SEE THE COWBOYS AND COWGIRLS . 
          ALSO, THIS IS SORT OF SERIOUS. GOT AN EMAIL FORWARDED TO ME FROM CONGRESSMAN IAN'S OFFICE IN REGARDS TO CROSSWALKS AT UNDER BOTH ELEMENTARY SCHOOL . APPARENTLY, AS THE CROSSING GUARD TAKES THE KIDS OUT LIKE HALFWAY THROUGH THE ROAD AND THEN SENDS THEM ON THEIR WAY BEHIND THEM OR IN FRONT OF THEM YOU HAVE THE MOTORIST OR NOT WAITING FOR THE CROSSING GUARD TO LEAVE OR THE KIDS TO BE WHERE THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO BE AND THEY ARE BLASTING TO THE CROSSWALKS. SO, I GOT THAT SENT TO THE SHERIFF AND I WILL TALK TO PAT AT THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE TOMORROW TO SEE WHAT WE CAN DO ABOUT THAT, BUT FOLKS, IT IS NOT WORTH THE 10 SECONDS THAT YOU ARE SAVING AND THE JEOPARDY YOU ARE PUTTING HUMAN LIFE AND BECAUSE YOU WANT TO GET THROUGH TO PICK UP YOUR STARBUCKS COFFEE BEFORE YOU HAD TO WORK. 
          DO TAKE YOUR TIME. DO PAY ATTENTION TO THE SCHOOL BUSES THAT STOP AND YOU STOP WHERE YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO STOP. I CAN'T EVEN IMAGINE ONE OF OUR CROSSING GUARDS OUT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD WITH A STOP SIGN AND KIDS ARE GOING BY AND THESE FOLKS ARE DRIVING THROUGH BECAUSE THEY CAN'T WAIT ANOTHER 10 OR 15 SECONDS. JUST BE CAREFUL AND IF THERE IS SOMEBODY LIKE THAT, APPARENTLY I TALKED TO THE MOM THIS AFTERNOON AND SHE SAID THAT ONE OF THESE STOPS, PARENTS 
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ACTUALLY GOT OUT OF THEIR CARS AND STOOD IN FRONT BECAUSE THERE IS NO STOP SIGNS. THEY STOOD IN FRONT OF THE CAR AND WOULD NOT LET THE CAR GO BY. THAT'S NOT SAFE EITHER. 
          >> THEY COULD NOT TAKE IT ANYMORE. 
          >> PLEASE BE CAREFUL AND TAKE THAT EXTRA TIME ON THE ROADS . 
          IF THERE IS A CROSSING GUARD, STOP FOR THE 10 OR 15 SECONDS IT TAKES. THAT'S ALL, MR. CHAIR. 
          >> MR. BURKE? >> THANK YOU FOR NOT STEALING MY THUNDER WITH OPERATION LIFELINE. COMMISSIONER CELLA AND I ATTENDED OPERATION LIFELINE GROUNDBREAKING CEREMONY OF FIVE HOMES , LOW INCOME HOUSING. OUR BOARD ACTUALLY APPROVED IT. IT WAS AN AWESOME TURNOUT. ONE OF MY EMPLOYEES WAS WATCHING THE MEETING THE NIGHT THAT WE APPROVE THAT AND SHE APPLIED AND QUALIFIED AND SO IT WAS REALLY NEAT , BUT A LOT OF VETERANS INVOLVED WITH THE WHOLE ORGANIZATION AND THEY DID A USDA LOAN AND THEY RAN OUT OF FUNDING. BECAUSE THE HOMEOWNERS WERE GOING TO HAVE TO BE BUILDING THEIR OWN HOUSES . IT WAS REALLY NEAT AND A FUN THING AND I THINK THEY WILL BE DONE WITHIN A YEAR . THE HOMES WILL BE DONE AND THEN THEY WILL HAVE ANOTHER CEREMONY . IT WAS REALLY NEAT TO ATTEND. I ALREADY SAID ALL MY OTHER STUFF AT THE OTHER THING ABOUT THE ROAD. TERESA WANTS IT DONE RIGHT NOW. SHE TOLD ME TO ASK. I TOLD HER I WOULD. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. 
          >> JUST FOR REFERENCE, OPERATION LIFELINE IS A NONPROFIT THAT IS RUN BY ERIC SACHS, OUR CLAY COUNTY VETERAN OF THE YEAR. HE IS ACTIVELY ENGAGED IN DOING A LOT OF GOOD THINGS FOR CLAY COUNTY. I WANT TO MAKE NOTE OF THE HEALTHY TALES STORY OUR THAT WAS CONDUCTED IN THE LIBRARY. WE HAD ABOUT SEVEN LITTLE PEOPLE , ABOUT THIS TALL . IS INTERESTING BECAUSE THEY KIND OF LISTEN SOMETIMES, BUT THEY 
          ARE JUMPING ALL AROUND. >> SORT OF LIKE COMMISSIONERS. 
          >> THE HUNGRY CATERPILLAR WAS THE SUBJECT AND THEY ENJOYED PETTING A LITTLE STUFFED CATERPILLAR. TOMORROW IS COMMEMORATION OF 9/11, THE ANNIVERSARY OF 9/11 AND IT'S GOING TO BE ONE OF THE CELEBRATIONS, ONE OF THE MEMORIALS IS GOING TO BE UP AT ORANGE PARK, 100 FLEX. THERE ARE WHITE HOLD FLAGS OUT THERE TO -- AT 10:00 A.M. I ATTENDED NORTHEAST FLORIDA REGIONAL COUNCIL LAST WEEK AND ERIC IS HERE TONIGHT, BUT JUST TO REFRESH YOUR MEMORY, THEY SENT US THERE ROI WHICH WAS ABOUT 13-1. THEY ARE DOING A LOT OF WORK WITH RESILIENCY TRAILS . THE REASON I'M BRINGING THIS UP, OCTOBER 3RD , THE MEETING IS GOING TO BE AT THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT HERE IN CLAY COUNTY. THE REASON IT IS GOING TO BE HERE IS BECAUSE I AM GOING TO BE THE PRESIDENT OF THE 
          REGIONAL COUNCIL. >> WELL-DONE. 
          >> YOU DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH WORK TO DO. 
          >> BETWEEN MIDNIGHT AND 3:00, I'M AVAILABLE. WITH THAT, , IF
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