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TREATMENT >>> LET'S COME TO ORDER.
LET'S SEE, IS THERE ANY ADDITIONS, CORRECTIONS, OR ANYTHING TO THE MINUTES OF AUGUST?
>> THERE WAS ONLY ONE ITEM THAT I DID NOT KNOW HOW TO ADDRESS.
IT DOES SAY ON PAGE 3 OR 4, UNDER NEW BUSINESS , LAST UNDER NUMBER 1, FOLLOWING DISCUSSION, I MADE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL OF $150 FOR THE MEMBERSHIP, AND IT WAS SECONDED BY MAUREEN , BUT IF YOU PULL UP THE ACTUAL PRESERVATION REGISTRATION , IT
IS AT $175 . >> IT HAS TO BE WHATEVER WAS DISCUSSED HERE, WHICH WAS $150 . SO
>> SO, WHAT WE NEED TO MAKE A MOTION TO CORRECT THAT?
>> WHEN SHE COMES BACK, YOU WILL NEED TO ASK HER.
>> OKAY, THAT'S FINE. >> WE NEED A MOTION TO ACCEPT
>> I MOVED TO ACCEPT THE LAST MONTH'S MINUTES AS READ.
>> SECOND. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECONDED ON DISCUSSION. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
>>> UPDATE ON HISTORICAL MARKER HERE AND I'M SORRY, I AM SKIPPING PUBLIC COMMENTS. IS THERE ANYBODY HERE FOR PUBLIC
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COMMENTS. >> ARE ACTUALLY HERE FOR AN
ITEM ON THE AGENDA. >> THEN WE WILL GO AHEAD AND GO TO THE HISTORICAL MARKER UPDATES . THE FIRST ONE IS
MIDDLEBURG COLORED SCHOOL. >> AND WE HAVE THE MARKER TEXT AND DRAFT. MOD JACKSON AND I ARE WORKING WITH IT TO GET YOU TO THE POINT WHERE WE HAVE THE POINTS MADE AS WE WANT THEM.
ONCE IT IS FURTHER ALONG, WE WILL BE SUBMITTING .
>> OKAY. >> SO, ONCE YOU HAVE A WORKING COPY, YOU ARE GOING TO BRING IT IN?
>> THE COPY WILL BE FURTHER ALONG THAN A ROUGH DRAFT, YES,
>> 411 IS EXACTLY WHERE IT STOOD LAST MONTH.
>> OKAY, SO WE ARE STILL WAITING ON --
>> WE ARE WORKING MORE CLOSELY ON THE NEXT LINE ITEM, WHICH IS THE KEYSTONE HEIGHTS MARKER . I HAD BEEN ON THE AGENDA TO MEET WITH THE KEYSTONE HEIGHTS COUNCILMEMBERS . I ACTUALLY SCHEDULED MY VACATION FOR THE FOLLOWING DAY, SO THAT I WOULD NOT MISS ANOTHER MONTH . HOWEVER, ABOUT TWO HOURS PRIOR TO THE MEETING, WE HAD SOME TREMENDOUS STORM AND HE CANCELED THE MEETING , AND MADE IT FOR WEDNESDAY, BUT MY FLIGHT HAD ALREADY TAKEN OFF THE DAY BEFORE . SO, I AM ON THE AGENDA FOR THIS MONTH, WHICH WE ARE NOW HAVING THE MEETING FOR NEXT MONDAY . AT THAT TIME, I HAVE TO GO TO THE COUNCIL ABOUT 4 TO 11. I WILL BRING THAT TO YOUR ATTENTION AS WELL, BUT SPECIFICALLY THE KEYSTONE HEIGHTS MARKER SO THAT WE HAVE THAT FOR OUR CENTENNIAL . BUT SINCE IT IS GOING TO BE PLACED ON CITY PROPERTY, THE COUNCIL HAS TO APPROVE IT , AND SHOW WHERE THEY WANT IT TO BE LOCATED. SO WE WILL HAVE TO FIGURE OUT A GPS MARKER AND ALL OF THEIR BLESSINGS TO EVEN MOVE ANYTHING FORWARD, SO I HAVE TO GET IN FRONT OF THE COUNCIL.
>> OKAY. >> I AM ON THE AGENDA.
WE SHOULD BE MUCH, MUCH FURTHER ALONG THIS TIME NEXT MEETING.
>> TRAFFIC WAS IN THE OTHER DIRECTION TODAY.
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>> WELL, YOU WORE A NICE SHIRT.
>> THAT IS TRUE. >> WELL, YOU MADE IT JUST IN TIME, SIR, BECAUSE WE ARE GOING OVER HISTORICAL MARKER PROGRESS AND ST. MARY'S EPISCOPAL CHURCH --
>> IS THIS ONE OF THE LAST ONE, DID WE GO OVER THE MIDDLEBURG
MIDDLE SCHOOL ALREADY? >> YES, WE HAVE.
>> 5:30, WOW , THAT WAS FAST. DID YOU GO OVER FORT 11?
>> AND THERE IS RAIN COMING. >> WELL, THERE IS RAIN THAT HAS BEEN COMING AND SO FORTH, BUT I WANT TO COVER THESE OTHER THINGS, FORT 11, ST. MARYS, AND MIDDLEBURG, THEY ARE ALL A PART
OF WHAT I HAVE BEEN DOING. >> OKAY, IF NO ONE HAS OBJECTION, WE WILL BACK UP TO FORT 11.
>> HAPPY TO HEAR ANYTHING YOU HAVE TO ADD.
>> WELL, DID PEOPLE SEE THE MATERIAL THAT I SENT TO BETH? -- ON FORT 11? ALLOW ME TO COMPLETELY REWRITE A LOT OF THE MATERIAL , BECAUSE THERE WAS DOCUMENTARY MATERIAL THAT I HAD STORED AWAY YEARS AGO , AND MY RESEARCH PARTNER, KEVIN , AS WELL HAD MATERIAL THAT ACTUALLY GOT INTO PARTICULARS ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED AT THE FORT , AND WHEN IT HAPPENS, AND SO FORTH. SO, THIS IS THE ONE WHERE I CALLED FORT NUMBER 11 AT SEMINOLE WERE PURSED WAR POST, THE PEOPLE DISCUSS IT? WHAT DID THEY THINK
ABOUT IT? >> WE DID NOT DISCUSS IT BECAUSE YOU WEREN'T HERE. THAT IS WHY I SAID, WE WOULD BACK UP
AND LET YOU TALK ABOUT IT. >> YEAH, SO, A COUPLE OF THINGS. WHEN I SAW THE ORIGINAL ONE THAT SOUNDED INTERESTING , BUT I WAS WONDERING ABOUT SOME OF THE THINGS, HOW THEY KNEW HOW SALUBRIOUS THE PLACE WAS, THINGS LIKE THAT . I SAID, WELL, MAYBE IT HAS BEEN DOCUMENTED SOMEHOW. I COULD NOT FIND VERY MUCH TO SUPPORT THE DESCRIPTIONS THAT WERE MADE , SO I BEGAN LOOKING INTO IT . THE MORE IT WAS SOMETHING .
OVER 30 YEARS AGO, I DID A COMPILATION . I TOOK MANY, MANY MONTHS, MORE THAN A YEAR, ACTUALLY, TO -- THE ARMY OF FLORIDA DURING THE SECOND SEMINOLE WAR. AMONG THOSE THINGS WERE CERTAIN ORDERS THAT WERE ISSUED CONCERNING THIS FORT . I COULD SEE THAT WHEN IT WAS FIRST BEING DEDICATED, GENERAL TAYLOR HIMSELF WAS THERE FOR A FEW DAYS, ALTHOUGH HE MOVED AROUND A LOT. THESE ARE THINGS YOU'D WANT TO HAVE IN THEIR THERE IF WE KNEW IT FOR A FACT. ALSO, ABOUT YOU KNOW, IT WAS A GOOD GUESS THAT IT WOULD BE A VERY HEALTHY POST , BUT I FOUND IN THOSE ORDERS, FOR EXAMPLE, LIEUTENANT SAYING, WILL YOU PLEASE DISCHARGE THESE TWO SOLDIERS ? THEY'VE BEEN SICK ALL YEAR, NO GOOD AT ALL, BECAUSE THEY HAVE BEEN SICK.
SO, THEY GOT DISCHARGED FROM THE LITTLE COMPANY . AND THEN, IN THE OTHER ORDERS IN NOVEMBER 1839 , THERE WAS SUCH A GENERAL SICKNESS IN THE FORT, THAT TAYLOR ACTUALLY ORDERED FLORIDA VOLUNTEERS TO GO IN INSTEAD OF THE COMPANY. I GUESS THEY GOT RELIEF SOMEWHERE ELSE UNTIL THEY COULD GET BETTER . THOSE ARE THINGS THAT GIVE A LITTLE MORE SPECIFIC PICTURE.
>> AND WHERE DID YOU FIND THE INFORMATION, WITH REGARDS TO THE FORT , WHERE THEY HAD THESE SICK SOLDIERS?
>> WELL, THE DOCUMENTATION THAT I PROVIDED
>> IS IT IN THERE? >> IF YOU CHECK IT OUT. YEAH,
THERE IS A LOT OF IT. >> OKAY. ALL RIGHT.
>> AND , I ALSO SUPPLIED , AMONG THE THINGS I'D DONE , THAT WAS 35, OR MAYBE LONGER YEARS AGO . I TOOK ALL THE CARTOGRAPHIC RECORDS THAT WERE SAYING ANYTHING ABOUT THE FORTS DURING THE SECOND SEMINOLE WAR , AND HAD COPIES . ONE OF THE COPIES WAS FORT NUMBER 11, THE PLAQUE ON WHICH IT SITS. THAT
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GIVES YOU A VERY GOOD IDEA . IT LOOKS LIKE WE ARE PRETTY MUCH ON THE MONEY , AS FAR AS GENERAL LOCATION . TOM, I ASKED HIM TO COME IN . WE WERE GOING TO TRY TO NAIL A FEW LAST DETAILS WHILE I WAS AWAY, THOUGH, I COULDN'T GO . TOM AND KEVIN HUBER , AND ANOTHER RESEARCHER WERE ALL GOING DOWN TO D.C. TO FOLLOW UP ON SOME OF THAT RESEARCH . UNFORTUNATELY, THE THIRD MAN DEVELOPED A STROKE , AND THEY HAD TO ALL LEAVE AND GO BACK. KEVIN AND I WILL BE GOING BACK IN ABOUT ANOTHER WEEK TO D.C. TO SEE IF WE CAN FIND OUT ANYMORE TO WRAPTHIS UP. >> WELL, IN TALKING TO TOM LAST, HE SAID, HE THINKS THAT IT WAS A LITTLE FURTHER SOUTH OF WHERE THE CITY PARK IS TODAY.
>> YEAH, IT COULD WELL-- >> LIKE BY A BLOCK OR SO .
>> AND THAT IS JUST IT, IT WOULD CHANGE HOW WE PROCEED AS FAR AS PUTTING A MARKER. IT COULD BE ON PRIVATE PROPERTY .
>> I HAVEN'T TALKED TO HIM DIRECTLY FOR A LITTLE WHILE. IT SEEMED TO ME HE WAS STILL HOPING, BUT NOT QUITE GETTING CLEARANCE FROM THE PROPERTY OWNERS HE WANTED TO SEARCH FOR
MORE TRACES , DID HE GET TO? >> NO.
>> WELL, ANYWAY, YOU WILL SEE THAT PLAQUE WITH THE FORT ON IT SHOWS PRETTY MUCH EXACTLY WHERE IT WAS , ALTHOUGH IT WAS ONLY ABOUT A 10 BY 9 PIECE OF PAPER, BUT IT IS PRETTY CAREFULLY DRAWN OUT . ACTUALLY, DID THEY COPY THAT ONE OUT ?
>> THIS ONE ? >> YES, GOOD . THAT IS IT . SO, THE MATERIAL, THOUGH , THAT I'VE ALREADY PUT IN I THINK IT GIVES A MUCH CLEARER PICTURE OF WHAT WAS GOING ON DURING THE TIME OF THE FORT, AND EVEN LATER ON , WHEN EVERYTHING IS BEING CLOSED OUT FOR THE WAR , THE LAST COMMANDER OF THE ARMY OF FLORIDA, COLONEL WORTH , IS TALKING ABOUT THIS GROUP OF SETTLERS THAT HAVE COME DOWN FROM BLACK CREEK , WHERE THEY WERE ALL HANGING OUT , AND THEY ARE GOING TO BE REPOPULATING THAT WHOLE AREA , AND HE TURNS OVER THE ABANDONED FORT TO THEM IN 1942 AS A HOME BASE FOR THEIR GOING OUT TO SETTLE. THAT IS ANOTHER I THINK, VERY USEFUL THING ABOUT THE STORY OF HOW
THIS DEVELOPED . >> EXCELLENT RESEARCH , THE
SPECIFICS IN YOUR RESEARCH. >> WELL, THANK YOU.
>> HAVE YOU CONSIDERED CONSOLIDATING ALL THE INFORMATION YOU HAVE COLLECTED INTO A DOCUMENT?
>> OH YEAH, I GUESS WE COULD DO THAT . THE REAL PROBLEM WAS TRYING TO FIT EVERYTHING PRINTED PRINTED, THE MOST JUICY STUFF INTO THE ALLOWABLE AMOUNT OF SPACE FOR THE MARKER. YES,
CERTAINLY COULD DO THAT. >> THAT IS ALWAYS A CHALLENGE .
>> I TO HELP YOU IN ANY WAY I COULD WITH THAT, FOR SURE.
>> GO OUT THERE WITH TOM AND FIND THAT-- LOL THAT IS WHAT
YOU CAN DO. >> I DO HAVE A METAL DETECTOR,
BUT I DON'T KNOW. >> WELL, THAT CERTAINLY -- YOU WOULD BE LOOKING , AMONG OTHER THINGS FOR THINGS LIKE THAT, OF COURSE, IDEALLY, PROFESSIONAL ARCHAEOLOGISTS COULD BE HIRED AND GIVEN PERMISSION . THEY OFTEN CAN FIND TRACES OF THE STOCKADE, BECAUSE IT IS ORGANIC . THAT IS WHAT THEY DID AT FORT KING. I AM NOT TOO OPTIMISTIC THAT THEY'D BE GIVEN THAT
PERMISSION . >> DID THEY HAVE BATTLES THAT
TOOK PLACE THERE? >> NOT THAT WE KNOW OF. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT COLONEL WORTH REMARKED AT THE END, HOWEVER , IS THAT THAT FORT WAS A VERY STRATEGIC LOCATION BECAUSE IT WAS VERY CLOSE WITHIN ITS SQUARE TO THE INTERNET SCRUB , WHICH WAS AN KNOWN PASSAGEWAY FOR INDIAN RAIDING PARTIES .
AND YOU SEE, AS I MENTIONED, AFTER THEY ABANDONED THE FORT ,
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BECAUSE THEY DECLARED A NEW POLICY WHEN THE NEW COMMANDER CAME IN, HE WANTED TO SEND LARGER, MOBILE USERS OUT TO PURSUE THE INDIANS , BUT OF COURSE WHEN THEY DID, AND FORT 11 AND ALL THE OTHERS WERE ABANDONED , SOME OF THE INDIANS, AS SCARCE AS THEY WERE, THEY CAME BACK AND THERE WAS A BIG RATE IN MANDARIN, AND THERE WAS ANOTHER JUST AS BAD , WHERE THEY AMBUSHED A BUNCH OF PEOPLE ON THEIR WAY TO SAINT AUGUSTINE . SO, THEY PAID A PRICE FOR NOT HAVING THE FORT THERE ANYMORE , BUT BY 1842, THEY'D ROUNDEDUP JUST ABOUT ALL THE AVAILABLE INDIANS. SO, THE WAR REALLY KIND OF WAS , FOR ALL PRACTICAL PURPOSES, OVER FOR THE PEOPLE IN THIS AREA. BUT IT WAS A CLOSE THING. THE FORT COULD HAVE PROBABLY PROTECTED MORE PEOPLE FOR A LITTLE LONGER IF THEY STAYED, BUT THEY DID NOT HAVE ENOUGH TROOPS TO DO EVERYTHING THEY WANTED TO DO, SO SOMETHING HAD TO GIVE. SO YEAH, IT WOULD BE AGOOD STORY TO WRITE UP. >> I WILL HELP YOU OUT IN ANY WAY I CAN. ADDITIONALLY, WITH THE METAL DETECTORS, ONCE SOMEONE HAS METAL DETECTED AN AREA THAT HAD WAR TYPE SITUATIONS GOING ON , ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THEY FIND THE MOST ARE THE BUTTONS THAT WENT ON THEIR UNIFORM . A LOT OF THOSE ARE FOUND IN SEVERAL AREAS . ANYWAY, I JUST THOUGHT I WOULD PUT THAT OUT THERE, IN CASE ANYBODY FINDS A BUTTON THAT YOU CAN COMPARE IT TO WHO WAS THERE.
>> OKAY. SO , WHAT WERE WE ABOUT TO DISCUSS AT ST. MARY'S?
>> I MEAN, I WAS JUST GETTING -- I KNOW WE HAVE SOME PEOPLE IN THE AUDIENCE, I WAS GOING TO ASK THEM TO ME.
>> THOSE PEOPLE IN THAT AUDIENCE, THEY ARE HERE TO
DISCUSS MIDDLEBURG, I THINK. >> PET .
>> WELL, PAT IS HERE TO DISCUSS ST. MARY'S . SHE WAS ON E, AND THE LADIES HERE WERE ON E, WHERE WE GOING DOWN IN ORDER?
>> YES. ST. MARY'S WOULD BE NEXT . AND I THINK WE WERE WAITING ON YOUR TEXT FOR THE MARKER ?
>> YES, BECAUSE PAT AND I HAVE BEEN GOING BACK AND FORTH FOR THE FINAL REFINEMENTS TO GETTING THE MOST WE COULD , GIVEN THE GUIDELINES THAT SHE SUGGESTED, AND MY OWN DISCUSSIONS WITH MR. CREST , THE HISTORIAN , AND SO FORTH.
WE FINALLY CAME TO A MUTUALLY AGREEABLE THING LITTLE GREEN THINGS ON IT . SO, IF PAT IS COOL WITH THAT, AND I THINK IT IS-- THE ONLY THING I COULD SAY , WITH THE TIME IT TOOK TO GET THERE AT LEAST, IT IS A BETTER DOCUMENT THEN IT STARTED OUT WITH IN TERMS OF THE FORMATION OF THE MOST IMPORTANT THINGS TO SAY ABOUT THE SITUATION . SHE WAS CONCERNED THAT WE SHOULD MAKE SURE WE PUT THE CHURCH'S EXISTENCE IN THE CONTEXT OF THE LARGER GREEN COVE SPRINGS SEEN , AND SO FORTH. IF BETH WOULD LIKE TO COMMENT ON ANYTHING TOO.
>> THANK YOU. I REALLY WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE.
INAUDIBLE ] >> HE IS COMING TO FIX IT
BEHIND YOU. >> IS THERE ANYTHING YOU DID
NOT HEAR? >> WE ALL HEARD , I THINK WE
ALL HEARD YOU IN HERE. >> DO I NEED TO GO OVER IT AGAIN? MY NAME IS PAT GARLAND HOUSE. I JUST WANTED TO THANK MR. JERRY FOR HIS PERSISTENCE AND PATIENCE IN GETTING US THROUGH THIS POINT. IT IS ACCEPTABLE IN EVERY WAY . I WOULD BE REAL PROUD IF Y'ALL WOULD ACCEPT THIS DRAFT . THE ONLY THING I WOULD JUST WONDER IF MR. GOULD WAS ABLE TO GET TO THE CHURCH AGAIN FROM THE LAST MEETING ?
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>> I WAS NOT ABLE TO GET OUT YET. I'M HOPING TO GET OUT SATURDAY, I WAS GOING TO SEE IF YOU ARE AVAILABLE TO MEET ME OUT THERE SATURDAY, IF YOU NEED TO BE OUT THERE. IF NOT, I CAN
DO IT MYSELF. >> IS IT NECESSARY TO DELAY IT
ANOTHER MONTH, OR ANYTHING? >> YOU DON'T NEED TO BE THERE, BUT IF YOU WANTED TO, JUST IN CASE.
>> I JUST WANTED TO WALK THROUGH TO MAKE SURE WE GOT OUR EYES DARTED AND T'S CROSSED. I WANTED TO MOVE IT FORWARD.
>> I WILL GET OUT THERE THIS SATURDAY AND GET WITH BETH ON THE ORDINANCE, AND WE WILL GET WITH THE CITY TO SEE ABOUT
THEIR APPROVAL PROCESS. >> IT IS NOT ON THE CITY PROPERTY, YOU KNOW THAT, RIGHT?
>> RIGHT , BUT IT IS STILL WITHIN THEIR JURISDICTION.
>> OKAY, THEY ALREADY DID THE MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING .
>> YES, WE JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE, LIKE YOU SAID, TO CROSS ALL OF OUR T'S AND DOT ALL OUR I'S .
>> DO I NEED TO CONTINUE TO HIM EVERY MONTH TO THIS MEETING?
YOU GUYS CAN TAKE IT FROM HERE? >> YES, MA'AM. LIKE I SAID , WE WILL NEED TO GET WITH BETH AND GET ALL OF THE INFORMATION TYPED OUT INTO THE FORMAT FOR THE STATE APPLICATION.
>> OKAY, JUST KEEP ME IN THE LOOP AS FAR AS THAT GOES, YOU HAVE MY CONTACT INFORMATION . YOU KNOW, I JUST WOULD LIKE TO
GET IT DONE. >> YES, YES, MA'AM.
>> THANK YOU. >> JUST A LAST BIT OF COMMENT.
I THINK THE REMINDERS WERE HELD BY THE FINAL COMMENT, HISTORIAN GRACIOUSLY GAVE MORE INFORMATION AND EVEN WENT OVER THERE TO HAVE A LOOK. THE OTHER THING IS, AFTER THIS STARTED , THERE WAS A PUBLICATION OF THIS OUTSTANDING BOOK, A COUPLE OF CHARGES OF THE 19TH CENTURY IN FLORIDA, WHICH WAS VERY HEAVILY RESEARCHED . THAT WAS A BIG HELP TO US IN FINDING OUT THE BEST AND MOST AUTHENTICATED THINGS TO SAY ABOUT THESE
FEATURES OF THE CHURCH. >> OKAY. NOW THEN, NEXT UP IS THE MIDDLEBURG MUSEUM AND CIVIC CENTER.
>> WHY DON'T WE ASK OUR OTHER VISITORS TO STEP UP AND SAY SOMETHING, IF THEY WOULD LIKE TO, OTHERWISE , THEY'D HAVE TO LEAVE IT UP TO US .
>> MY NAME IS RUTH PAYNE, 4030 LAZY ACRES ROAD, MIDDLEBURG, FLORIDA. WE HAVE BEEN WORKING ON TRYING TO LOCATE ADDITIONAL DOCUMENTATION ABOUT THE ACTUAL FACT THAT THE CIVIC AND THE MUSEUM , WHICH WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A CANNERY AT THE TIME IN 1938 WERE WPA PROJECTS. WE HAVE A NEW ARTICLE FROM--, WELL, IT IS NOT A NEW ARTICLE, IT IS FROM 1941, BUT WE JUST FOUND IT. WE HAVE BEEN GOING THROUGH ALL OF OUR RECORDS IN THE MUSEUM . I AM SORRY TO SAY, THEY WERE IN BAD DISARRAY.
TERRY AND I HAVE BEEN WORKING TO GET THEM ALL TOGETHER. AND WE FOUND AN ARTICLE . AM I ALLOWED TO GIVE YOU COPIES OF IT? IT IS FROM "THE SUNDAY TIMES UNION." I MADE 10 COPIES . OKAY, THANKS. SO, WE DID NOT HAVE THIS WHEN WE FIRST SUBMITTED THE APPLICATION , BUT IT DOES -- WHEN YOU SEE IT, THE ARTICLE , THE ACTUAL PRINT WAS SO SMALL THAT WE WERE ABLE TO BLOW IT UP SO YOU CAN READ IT AND IT IS THE ATTACHED PAGE .
IT SHOWS, AND IS TALKING ABOUT MILITARY HIGHWAY TO BLANDING .
SO, THERE IS A PICTURE OF THE CIVIC CENTER , AND AT THE TIME , OUR LOCATION FOR THE MUSEUM AND ALL OF THE ORIGINAL DOCUMENTATION , IT IS SHOWING THAT WE WERE PART OF THAT PROJECT, AND THAT WE WERE ON THE GROUND WHERE ON PALMETTO STREET , BUT WE NOW HAVE OUR OWN ADDRESS FOR THE MUSEUM ON
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SECTION STREET. I DON'T KNOW THAT IS CLEAR . OH YEAH, SURE.JUST THAT ONE. OKAY, THANKS. YOU'RE WELCOME. WE HAVE BEEN HAVING DIFFICULTY FINDING THE DOCUMENTATION LOCALLY . WE ACTUALLY HAVE BEEN HAVING DIFFICULTIES GOING TO THE NATIONAL SITE , BECAUSE JERRY HAD SAID TO GO. THEN, WE ALSO CHECKED THE FLORIDA SITE FOR WPA PROJECTS, AND IT IS NOT LISTED THERE. ALSO, I DON'T THINK GOLD HEAD IS LISTED EITHER . THAT WAS DEFINITELY A WPA PROJECT . SO, I AM NOT SURE HOW THAT HAPPENED . LOCALLY, WE TRIED TO AT THE COUNTY CLERK, MAYBE WE COULD, JERRY SAID, GO TO THE VAULT. THERE WERE SOME OTHER ARCHIVES . WE'VE BEEN TOLD, THERE IS NOTHING THERE.
WE DID GO AND SEE VISHI AT THE ARCHIVES THERE. AND THERE WERE MISSING RECORDS. IT SAID, MISSING. I'M JUST NOT SURE , BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THAT ARTICLE, IT WILL SAY, IT WAS A WPA PROJECT IN 1941 . THAT WAS PRETTY CLOSE TO THE 1938, WHEN IT WAS BUILT . WE ARE NOT SIGNING PHYSICAL, OFFICIAL DOCUMENTATION THAT IT WAS A WPA PROJECT .
>> IT IS FUNNY , AND I'M HOPING WHEN I GO UP TO D.C. , MAYBE I CAN GET-- BECAUSE THEY DO HAVE FOLDERS FOR THE WPA PROJECTS , AND SO FORTH THAT ARE NOT OTHERWISE USUALLY HANGING AROUND THE LOCALITIES WHERE THE WORK WAS DONE. THERE IS SO MUCH GENERAL AGREEMENT THAT SOMEHOW OR OTHER , WHETHER IT WAS WPA AS SUCH, OR FEDERAL FUNDING , CERTAINLY, IT WAS FEDERALLY FUNDED, GIVING THE TIME . I WENT BACK OVER TO THE ARCHIVES MYSELF YESTERDAY AND I FOUND ANOTHER PECULIAR DETAIL .
IN 1935 WAS THE FIRST DONATION , WELL FOR $1, DONATION OF THE PROPERTY TO THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS BY THE BUDDING THIN FOR THIS PURPOSE. FOR SOME REASON , IT JUST SAT THERE FOR 2 YEARS AND THEN THEY WENT BACK TO THE COURT AND REDID THE DEED IN 1947. WHY? YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD BE AN INTERESTING STORY IF WE COULD FIGURE OUT WHY THAT HAPPENED. CERTAINLY , THE TIME THEY DEDICATED IT WAS WITHIN ABOUT A MONTH TO THE ENACTMENT OF THE WPA PROGRAM , IN 1935 IS WHEN THEY FIRST APPROVED IT.
SO, IT ALL FITS . THE OTHER THING, THERE IS AN ARTICLE THAT YOU ALL FOUND , AWARE OF EDNA MCDONALD -- WAIT A SECOND.
ANYWAY, EDNA MCDONALD WEIGHS IN ON THIS IN THE EARLY 80S TOO.
EVEN THOUGH IT IS SOME YEARS SINCE THE WHOLE THING HAPPENED, SHE'S A VERY GOOD WITNESS, BECAUSE SHE CALLS IT THAT AND SHE ALSO DETAILS WHEN AND HOW IT HAPPENED, AND WHAT HAPPENED IN A SEQUENCE . EVEN THOUGH IT HAPPENED , IT IS A LATER NEWSPAPER ARTICLE, EDNA WAS ALWAYS THERE. SHE WAS BORN THERE IN 1908. SO, SHE WAS THERE FOR THE WHOLE THING. THAT HAS A LOT OF WEIGHT, EVEN IF WE DID NOT -- IF WE HAD TO , YOU MIGHT SAY FEDERALLY FUNDED OR SOMETHING , OUR PRESENTERS HAD ALSO HOPED TO SQUEEZE IN ANOTHER BUILDING, WHICH I THINK WE CAN AGREE, WE WILL TRY TO GIVE IT ITS OWN INDEPENDENT.
THERE IS A MASONIC LODGE RIGHT NEXT TO THESE OTHER TWO RELATIVELY HISTORICAL BUILDINGS . THAT BUILDING IS NOT REALLY THAT OLD . THE REAL MASONIC LODGE IS STILL DOWN THE ROAD, ON MAIN STREET, WOULD CERTAINLY BE WORTHY TO RECEIVE ITS OWN
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STATE'S MARKER ONCE WE CAN DO THE RESEARCH ON IT, BECAUSE IT IS STILL THERE, ALTHOUGH NOT USED AS A LARGE ANYMORE AS THEY HAVE EVACUATED IT MANY YEARS AGO. IT WAS BUILT IN THE 1880S, CERTAINLY ONE OF THEIR EARLY LODGES IN THE STATE.>> AND IT IS HERE, IT IS PICTURED HERE BEFORE IT WAS MOVED TO ME THE MASONIC LODGE, BUT IT IS ON MAIN STREET.
>> YEAH . SO, I THINK WE ARE ALL IN AGREEMENT ABOUT WHAT WE WANT TO TRY TO REFINE , AND GO ON THE SEQUENCES . IT WOULD BE INTERESTING TO SEE EXACTLY HOW IT WAS DONE, WHETHER THE GOVERNMENT SIMPLY-- THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT SIMPLY HANDED OVER THE MONEY TO THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS, OR WHETHER, YOU KNOW, THEY OVERSAW THE WORK BY THE LABORERS . I HAVE THE IMPRESSION THAT THEY LEFT IT UP TO THE COUNTY AS TO WHO THEY WERE GOING TO HIRE AND HOW THEY GOT PAID. I THINK THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT PAY FOR THEM. THAT WOULD BE WORTH TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW THEY DID IT IN THIS CASE. ANY OTHER THINGS YOU'D
LIKE TO SAY? >> DO WE NEED THAT ADD
ADDITIONAL DOCUMENTATION? >> IT WOULD BE-- I THINK WE COULD KIND OF WAY IT IF WE HAD TO, BASED ON ALL THE CONSENSUS, THAT IT WAS FUNDED CERTAINLY HAD TO BE FEDERALLY FUNDED AT THE TIME, THE COUNTY CERTAINLY DID NOT HAVE THE MONEY . THE ONLY QUESTION IS, WHAT PARTICULAR ALPHABET LABEL TO GIVE IT ? WAS IT REALLY WPA, OR SOME OTHER FEDERAL WORK PROGRAM? PROBABLY WAS, WE ARE JUST NOT FINDING IT YET, AND THAT IS A LITTLE WEIRD. I'M TOLD MORE RECENTLY, THERE IS A COMPLETE COLLECTION OF EARLY COUNTY NEWSPAPERS IN THE KEEPING OF THE UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA , WHICH IS SUPPOSEDLY FINDABLE ONLINE , BUT I JUST HEARD ABOUT THAT A COUPLE OF DAYS AGO. WE COULD TRY TO LOOK INTO THAT AND SEE IF WE COULD
FEEL FILL THAT IN. >> I HAVE MEDICAID WITH THE SPECIAL COLLECTIONS AT THE UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA, AND THEY HAD ONE ISSUE. THEY DO NOT HAVE ISSUES OF THE BREEZE THERE.
THAT WAS SOMEHOW A MISPRINT . >> THAT IS TOO BAD. WE THOUGHT
IT WENT BACK TO THE 40S? >> YES, AND HE LOOKED AT OTHER PLACES . HE SAID, THE ONLY PLACE IT COULD POSSIBLY BE WOULD BE IN THE CLAY ARCHIVES.
>> SO, THERE'S ALWAYS THE NATIONAL ARCHIVES , MAYBE IT WILL TURN UP SOMETHING . THE OTHER THING IS, I STILL BELIEVE , IF WE ARE WILLING TO SUFFER THROUGH ALL THESE VAST BINDERS OF VOLUMES AND EVERYTHING IN THE ARCHIVES ANNEX , THERE IS TONS OF STUFF, BUT IT IS NOT ORGANIZED FOR EASY FINDING. I IMAGINE THAT AT SOME TIME , THE COMMISSIONERS , OR THEIR SURROGATES HAD TO MENTION SOMETHING , WELL THIS MONEY IS BEING SPENT, OR WHO HIRED THESE PEOPLE? IT HAS GOT TO BE SOMEWHERE OR HAD TO HAVE BEEN THERE SOMEWHERE. SO, I WOULD
NOT GIVE UP JUST YET. >> I THINK THE QUESTION STILL REMAINS , THOUGH, IS IT ESSENTIAL TO THE MARKER TEXT ? IS THAT WHAT YOU WERE SUGGESTING ?
>> WE WANTED TO BE AS ACCURATE AS POSSIBLE. IF WE ATTRIBUTE IT, WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO BACK THAT UP.
>> ABSOLUTELY. >> IF WE CAN FIND THAT ORIGINAL STUFF, ANY OF IT, WE CAN ALSO-- THAT WOULD ADD TO THE KIND OF STORY WE CAN TELL ABOUT, WHO DID THE WORK ? WHO MADE SURE THEY DID IT THE WAY THEY DID IT? WERE THE TWO BUILDINGS CONSTRUCTED AT EXACTLY THE SAME TIME? FROM THE MCDONNELL'S STATEMENT, IT SEEMS LIKE IT WAS A LITTLE DIFFERENT . I GUESS THE CIVIC CENTER WAS FINISHED FIRST , EVEN THOUGH MAYBE THE CANNERY WAS STARTED FIRST, BUT APPARENTLY, HE DID NOT GET FINISHED UNTIL LATER, OR IF I CAN TAKE IT AWAY , HOW EDNA PUT IT, IT IS TOO BAD SHE IS NO LONGER AROUND .
>> OKAY, THE NEXT STEP IS MORE RESEARCH?
>> I WOULD SAY SO. I DON'T THINK IT IS GOING TO KILL US TO
TAKE ANOTHER MONTH OR TWO? >> RIGHT. THEN, WE CAN ACCURATELY, WITH THE WORDING FOR THE SIGN .
>> I THINK IT IS WORTH THE INVESTMENT.
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>> OKAY. THANK YOU. >> OKAY, THAT IS ALL THE MARKER PROGRESS UPDATES . YES, MA'AM?
>> DOES THE BOARD HAVE TO VOTE ON THE FINAL DRAFT OR ANYTHING
LIKE THAT ? >> YEAH, WE PROBABLY SHOULD, AT LEAST ST. MARY'S, WE ARE AGREED ON THAT.
YEAH, WE USUALLY DO VOTE , IF WE LIKE IT, WE SAY WE DO FOR
THE RECORD. >> HAS EVERYBODY HAD A CHANCE
TO READ THE FINAL DRAFT? >> THE GREEN ONE.
>> I HAVE A QUESTION. WHAT IS GOING IN THE PLACE OF THE
HIGHLIGHTED GREEN? >> THAT REPRESENTS THE ALTERATIONS THAT WERE DONE. THE LAST ALTERATIONS-- THERE HAVE BEEN A LOT OF BACK AND FORTH, BUT EACH TIME, I THINK WE HAVE GOTTEN CLOSER TO MAKING IT THE BEST AND MOST FACTUAL AS WE CAN. THAT DOES NOT MEAN THERE IS ANYTHING WRONG . THAT JUST SHOWS YOU WHERE THE MAIN, FINAL CHANGES WERE MADE.
>> OKAY. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS,
CONCERNS, ISSUES ? >> I GUESS I COULD MOVE THAT WE
VOTE TO ACCEPT THIS DRAFT. >> SECOND.
>> ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. MOTION CARRIES .
>> MR. GOULD, DO I NEED TO MEET YOU SATURDAY MORNING?
>> NO, MA'AM. I WILL TAKE CARE OF IT AND GET WITH BETH ON
MONDAY. >> LET ME KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANY FURTHER CONCERNS ABOUT THE PLACEMENT OF IT.
>> OKAY. >> I NEGLECTED TO ASK, YOU DID RECEIVE ALL OF THE DOCUMENTATION WHEN WE FIRST SUBMITTED IN JANUARY? YOU WOULD HAVE THAT, THE BOARD ?
>> I AM ASSUMING BETH HAS IT . SHE'S NOT HERE.
>> SO SHE DID NOT PASS IT ON TO YOU? THAT HAS BEEN A WHILE , I
KNOW. >> I WANT TO SAY SHE DID, INITIALLY, BUT THAT HAS BEEN A COUPLE OF MONTHS BACK AND WE
HAVE HAD SUMMER. >> DID IT COME OVER TO YOU
WHILE BETH WAS AWAY? >> NO, THAT WAS A WHILE AGO.
>> THIS WAS SENT, THE ORIGINAL DOCUMENTATION WITH THE APPLICATION IN JANUARY IS WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT. THESE THREE NEW DOCUMENTS WE FOUND SINCE WE WERE HERE, I NEED TO SEND TO HER AND I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE YOU HAD.
>> I AM SURE SHE HAS IT, BUT WE WILL DOUBLE CHECK WITH HER ON
[New Business]
>> THAT TAKES CARE OF ALL OF THE MARKER BUSINESS. IS THERE
ANY NEW BUSINESS? >> I DON'T KNOW IF IT IS NEW BUSINESS OR BOARD COMMENTS LATER ON. YOU KNOW, WE HAD BROUGHT UP THE SUBJECT OF USING SOME UNUSED PHONES FOR TRAINING . THERE WERE THINGS , DID WE JUST DO IT?
>> YES, THERE IS A PROGRAM THAT WE VOTED ON LAST TIME. IT IS A NATIONAL ALLIANCE OF PRESERVATION COMMISSIONS , AND IT IS A WEBSITE THAT HAS WEB-BASED TRAINING FORCE , AND I BELIEVE BETH SENT US OUT AN EMAIL TO -- EXPLAINING SOME OF THAT . UNFORTUNATELY, SHE IS NOT HERE TONIGHT .
>> BUT WE DID VOTE AT THE LAST MEETING .
>> BUT WE DID VOTE . >> DO YOU KNOW WHEN IT IS?
>> IT IS AN ON-DEMAND TRAINING . SO, YOU CAN GO IN THERE WHEN YOU HAVE TIME , YOU CAN GO IN THERE AND WATCH WHICHEVER VIDEO
YOU WANT TO WATCH . >> ON YOUR OWN COMPUTER?
>> ON YOUR HOME COMPUTER . >> IS THERE A FEE FOR IT?
>> YES, THERE IS A FEE FOR IT, BUT WE USED OUR FUNDS TO PAY FOR IT. YOU MAY HAVE TO SEND BETH AN EMAIL TO ASK FOR
SPECIFIC INSTRUCTIONS. >> VERY GOOD, GREAT .
>> WE DID, LAST MEETING, WE VOTED TO SPEND THE $150 , BUT IN GOING AND RESEARCHING-- WELL, JUST GOING ONLINE, I
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FOUND IT IS $175. WHEN BETH GETS BACK , WE WILL TALK ABOUT THAT SOME MORE AND WE CAN DO A MOTION, AS LORI SAID, SO THAT WE CAN JUST UPDATE THAT AMENDMENT , THE MOTION.>> OKAY, SO THAT TAKES CARE OF NEW BUSINESS . DO WE HAVE ANY
MORE NEW BUSINESS? >> TALKING ABOUT FUNDING THE LAST MEETING , Y'ALL DECIDED TO ASK ABOUT MOVING THE MONEY THAT WAS ALLOCATED FOR THE HISTORIC MARKERS TO ASK THE COUNTY COMMISSION I THINK TO NOT PUT THAT BACK IN THE
GENERAL FUND . >> THEY DID NOT GET BACK WITH US ON THAT, SO I DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER FOR YOU ON THAT, UNLESS
SHE TOLD HER SUBSTITUTE. >> I MEAN, IT NEEDS TO BE PURSUED, I WOULD THINK, Y'ALL ARE GOING TO HAVE MORE MARKERS COME UP AND YOU WILL RUN OUT OF FUNDING, UNLESS THEY ROLL THAT
OVER. OKAY, NOTIFY BUSINESS. >> YOU ARE FINE.
>> THAT IS A GOOD POINT. HISTORY INDICATES, UNLESS WE USE OUR BUDGET, IT TENDS TO GET --
>> ONE THING WE NEED TO KEEP IN MIND IS THAT THE MONEY WE HAVE IN OUR BUDGET ISN'T NECESSARILY DESIGNATED FOR STATE MARKERS, THIS OR THAT, CAN BE USED IN MAINTENANCE OF HISTORIC PLACE TO CLEAN IT UP , OR REINFORCE THE FOUNDATION, WHATEVER. THAT IS WHY IT IS THERE.
>> I THINK WE NEED TO CHECK WITH BETH ON THAT. I ASKED HER OFF-LINE ABOUT A PROJECT I SAW ON MY THROUGH THE COMMUNITY.
SHE SAID, WE COULD NOT USE THE FUNDS TO HELP THAT PROJECT. IT WAS A CEMETERY CLEANUP . I WAS TOLD, WE COULD NOT DO THAT. IT
WAS A CEMETERY. >> DID SHE TELL YOU THE REASON
WHY? >> SHE DID . SHE SAID, IT WAS DISCUSSED A FEW YEARS BACK , AND IT WAS DEEMED INAPPROPRIATE AT THAT TIME. I'M GOING OFF OF MEMORY. I DON'T HAVE HER EMAIL IN FRONT OF ME. SHE BASICALLY TOLD ME, NO. WITH HER BEING STAFF, I ASSUMED SHE KNEW WHAT WE COULD SPEND IT ON.
>> WELL, THAT'S SURPRISING , BECAUSE IN THE PAST, WE HAVE DONE THINGS LIKE THAT AND BEEN BLESSED TO DO IT.
>> WE CAN ASK. I WILL PUT DOWN IN MY NOTES TO ASK HER AT THE
NEXT MEETING. >> WITH THE FUNDS CAN BE SPENT
ON. >> THERE IS A FEW CEMETERIES THAT REALLY NEED SOME MAINTENANCE AND CLEANUP, AND EVERYTHING ELSE . AND THAT SPECIAL CHEMICAL USED TO CLEAN HEADSTONES WITHOUT DETERIORATING, AND EVERYTHING ELSE SO THAT THE CEMETERIES ARE PRESERVED , AND THE PEOPLE THAT
ARE BURIED THERE, YOU KNOW . >> THE GROUP I SAW ONLINE WERE ASKING FOR VOLUNTEERS TO HELP CLEAN UP THE CEMETERY AT ORANGE PARK. SUTTER OR SOLDER CEMETERY. I WAS THINKING , MAYBE WE COULD DONATE SOME SUPPLIES FOR THEM TO DO THE WORK FOR ME BUT I WAS TOLD THAT WE WEREN'T ALLOWED TO DO THAT.
>> WE WILL BRING IT UP NEXT MEETING.
>> IN THE PAST, WE HAVE WORKED WITH THE AMERICAN LEGION ON 218, AND THEY HAVE PROVIDED , NOT ONLY SUPPLIES, BUT ALSO TRAINING AND VOLUNTEERS FOR CEMETERY CLEANUP. THAT MIGHT BE
AN AVENUE THAT IS POSSIBLE . >> IT MAY BE BECAUSE IT WASN'T JUST INDIVIDUALS, AND NOT THE ACTUAL GROUP THAT SHE WAS TELLING ME, NOW THAT YOU MENTIONED THE AMERICAN LEGION
ASPECT . >> BUT THEY BROUGHT THEIR OWN
FUNDING AND TRAINING. >> I MEAN, THAT MIGHT BE WHY .
I DON'T KNOW, LIKE I SAID, I WILL MAKE A NOTE TO BRING IT UP NEXT MEETING. OKAY, ANYMORE PUBLIC COMMENTS ? OKAY. STAFF
COMMENTS ? >> STAFF HAS NO COMMENT.
[Board Member's Comments]
>> OKAY, WE WILL HIT BOARD MEMBER 'S COMMENTS . LET'S
START WITH YOU, DOCTOR . >> NO ADDITIONAL COMMENTS,
>> I'D LIKE TO MENTION THAT KEYSTONE HEIGHTS IS GOING TO BE
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HOSTING A ROUNDTABLE, A HISTORIC ROUNDTABLE ON SATURDAY , NOVEMBER 2ND OF THIS YEAR , THAT WILL BE HELD IN KEYSTONEHEIGHTS AT THE PAVILION . >> KEYSTONE HEIGHTS , WHAT?
>> AT THE KEYSTONE HEIGHTS PAVILION , WHICH IS LOCATED AT THE BEACH . IT IS NOVEMBER 2ND. THAT IS A SATURDAY. WE ARE INVITING ALL THE HISTORIC GROUPS FROM GREAT GROVE GREENING COVE ORANGE PARK , PINNEY FARMS, MELROSE, OF COURSE, KEYSTONE, AND SEVERAL OTHER COMMUNITIES
>> WHAT OUR WILL IT BE? >> IT IS FROM 2:00 UNTIL 2:00.
AND IT WOULD BE GREAT IF YOU COULD BRING THAT FORT 11
INFORMATION. >> YEAH. MAYBE BY THEN I --
>> BY THEN YOU MIGHT HAVE NARROWED A LOT MORE DOUBT.
>> I'M JUST MIGHT MENTION, BECAUSE IT MIGHT BE OF INTEREST TO BOOST YOUR RESEARCH , OUR RESEARCHERS FOR THE MIDDLEBURG MARKER RAN INTO DIFFICULTIES TRYING TO GO TO THE COURTHOUSE CLERK OF COURT TO SEARCH THE VAULT FOR DEED RECORDS, AND SO FORTH. I SUBSEQUENTLY FOUND OUT THAT ONE OF THE REASONS, THEY WERE IN THE PROCESS OF MOVING STUFF TO ARCHIVES TOO. A LOT OF THAT, NOT ALL OF IT BY ANY MEANS, BUT A LOT OF IT IS NOW IN ARCHIVES 2, BUT IT IS IN THE ANNEX. SO, YOU HAVE TO PUT THE SCREWS FOR ASSISTANCE TO TELL YOU EXACTLY WHERE YOU CAN FIND THEM, BECAUSE THEY HAVE GOT SOME MATERIAL RIGHT IN THEIR HEADQUARTER BUILDING , BUT IT IS FAR MORE IN THAT ANNEX, BUT YOU HAVE TO BE LET IN THERE. APPARENTLY, A LOT OF THE STUFF THAT HAD BEEN THERE AT THE COURTHOUSE ISN'T ANYMORE, BUT ULTIMATELY, IT SHOULD BE GOOD NEWS, BECAUSE IS ALWAYS WORKING TO TRANSCRIBE AND DIGITIZE THE STUFF YOU USED TO HAVE TO SEARCH THROUGH . THEY WILL NEVER CATCH UP WITH ALL OF IT, I AM SURE. JUST BE AWARE OF THAT , WHERE STUFF USED TO BE IS NOT ALWAYS WHERE IT IS NOW.
>> THERE WAS A GIRL THAT WORKED , AMELIA , THOSE TWO TOGETHER, EXTREMELY KNOWLEDGEABLE , WILL HELP YOU WITH JUST ABOUT ANYTHING CONCERNING HISTORY AND DOCUMENTS , THINGS OF THAT
NATURE. >> THEY'VE GOT SOME ELECTRICL PROBLEMS I'VE NOTICED. I SAID, YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO USE A PENCIL WHEN YOU ARE IN THERE TO TAKE NOTES. I SAID, WE'LL WELL, HERE'S A PENCIL, NEEDS TO BE SHARPENED. WHERE IS THE SHARPENER THESE DAYS? AND SHE SAID, IT IS NOT WORKING, AND SHE SAID, BECAUSE IT IS NOT PLUGGED IN, BUT THERE WERE NO PLUGS. EVERYTHING IS ALREADY TAKEN UP . MAYBE SOMEBODY COULD TAKE PITY ON ARCHIVES AND GET ANOTHER OUTLET. ANYWAY , JUST
AN EDITORIAL. >> ALL RIGHT, YOU GOT ANYTHING?
>> NOPE . I JUST GOT ANOTHER COPY OF "GRAVEN IMAGES ," THE BOOK ABOUT AUGUSTUS SAVAGE. ACTUALLY, I GOT TWO COPIES . I JUST WANT TO READ IT AGAIN, BECAUSE IT WAS REALLY
INTERESTING. >> JUST BEAR IN MIND, IT IS A NOVEL , NOT A NONFICTION WORK.
>> OKAY. ANYWAY, I HAVE TWO COPIES, IF ANYONE ELSE WANTS TO READ ANOTHER COPY, LET ME KNOW AND I WILL BRING IT TO THE NEXT
MEETING. >> DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ?
>> NOPE. >> LAST CHANCE, JERRY , YOU GOT
ANYTHING ELSE? >> QUITE ENOUGH FOR ONE
SESSION. >>
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.