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>> INTO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION, UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. AS I BELIEY KNOWS, MY NAME IS MARY BRIDGEMAN AND INES FERRE OF THE CLAY COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION AND MINUTES FOR TONIGHT'S MEETING WILL BE TAKEN BY MS. BLANCHET FROM THE CLERK OF COURT'S OFFICE. I WILL, FOR THE BENEFIT OF THOSE WHO ARE STREAMING AND WATCHING ONLINE, INTRODUCE ALL OF THE COMMISSIONERS. TO MY RIGHT IS VICE CHAIR PETE DAVIS AND COMMISSIONER BO NORTON, COMMISSIONER RALPH PUCKHABER, ORIGINAL MICHAELBORATE, COMMISSIONER BILL GARRISON, AND ALSO WE HAVE REPRESENTING THE CLAY COUNTY SCHOOL DISTRICT, LANCE ADDISON, AND I HAVE JUST AND ADVISED THAT MR. ADDISON HAS BEEN PROMOTED TO DIRECTOR OF FACILITY PLANNING AND CONSTRUCTION AT THE SCHOOL DISTRICT. SO WE CONGRATULATE HIM ON THAT AND WE SUSPECT THAT PROBABLY SOMEBODY ELSE WILL BE TAKING HIS PLACE IN DUE COURSE. WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE.
THE OTHER FOLKS PRESENT TONIGHT, I KNOW I SAW BETH CARSON, WHO IS OUR NEW DIRECTOR OF PLANNING AND ZONING.
CONGRATULATIONS. DODI SEELIG, OUR CHIEF PLANNER, CHANDRA MCCOY, OUR SENIOR PLANNER, MIKE BROWN, OUR ZONING CHIEF FOR A LITTLE WHILE LONGER AND THERE IS ANOTHER ZONING CHIEF PRESENT. I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE JENNY BRIDAL. WELCOME. WE ARE GLAD TO HAVE YOU WITH US. WE HAVE COURTNEY GRAHAM, OUR COUNTY ATTORNEY, AND JANIE HUFFMAN, ASSISTANT COUNTY ATTORNEY, AND ALSO I WANT TO THANK DEPUTY SPURN WELL AND ASH FOR PROVIDING SECURITY THIS EVENING. I DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S ANYBODY ELSE THAT I NEED TO INTRODUCE TONIGHT. AND
[1. Approval of Minutes]
I WILL DISPENSE WITH A LOT OF MY PRELIMINARY REMARKS SINCE WE ALL HAVE TWO CONTEMPORARIES. SO THE FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT IS APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES OF THE AUGUST 6 MEETING OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION. DO I HEAR A MOTION?>> WE HAD A MOTION. IS THERE A SECOND?
>> I SECOND IT. >> ANY DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN
>> ANY POST, SAME SIGN. MOTION CARRIES. THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS OUR PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD. I DON'T SEE ANYONE PRESENT BUT IT LOOKS LIKE THEY MIGHT WANT TO COMMENT. I DON'T HAVE ANY CARDS BUT I WILL OPEN IT. IS THERE ANYONE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? SEEING NO ONE, I'LL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT. AND I
[1. Public Hearing to consider Transmittal of the EAR Amendments (D. Selig)]
GUESS WE DON'T HAVE ANYBODY THAT NEEDS TO BE SWORN THIS EVENING SO WE WILL GO DIRECTLY TO PUBLIC HEARING NUMBER ONE ON THE AGENDA AND THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER THE STATUTORILY REQUIRED EVALUATION AND APPRAISAL REPORT PRESENTED BY DODI SEELIG, OUR CHIEF PLANNER.>> GOOD EVENING. THIS ITEM IS COP 20 4-0 119. IT WILL BE HEARD BY THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS FOR TRANSMITTAL ON SEPTEMBER 10. IT IS AN UPDATE OF A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
THOSE WHO MIGHT NOT BE FAMILIAR WITH THE PROCESS, THE STATE REQUIRES THAT EVERY LOCAL GOVERNMENT UPDATE ITS COMPANY HAS A PLAN EVERY SEVEN YEARS. THAT'S COMMONLY KNOWN AS THE EVALUATION AND APPRAISAL REPORT, EA ARE FOR SHORT, BECAUSE WE LOVE ACRONYMS IN PLANNING AND IN GOVERNMENT. THE YEAR AMENDMENT HAS TO BE TRANSMITTED TO THE STATE UNDER A STATE REVIEW PROCESS. THAT BASICALLY MEANS THE STATE HAS 60 DAYS TO LOOK AT IT. THEY SEND THAT TO MULTIPLE DIFFERENT AGENCIES. WE SEND IT TO MULTIPLE DIFFERENT AGENCIES AND THEY SEND THEIR IMPROVEMENTS TO THE STATE. THEY'LL SEND IT BACK TO US. THE TRANSMITTAL HAS TO BE SENT BY OCTOBER 1.
THAT'S THE DEADLINE SET BY THE STATE. THEY WILL SEND US WHAT'S CALLED AN OBJECTIVE RECOMMENDATION AND COMMENTS REPORT WHICH WILL INCLUDE ALL OF THE AGENCY'S COMMENTS. THEY HAVE 60 DAYS, A LITTLE BIT AFTER THAT. WE ARE ANTICIPATING THAT STAFF WILL THEN ASSESS WHATEVER COMMENTS WE MAY RECEIVE AND WE WILL TAKE A FINAL VERSION TO THE BOARD,
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PROBABLY IN JANUARY, FOR FINAL ADOPTION. SOME THINGS ARE NOT COVERED BY THIS AMENDMENT AND JUST KIND OF MORE FOR THE PUBLIC SAFE THEN BOARDS, WANTED TO LET EVERYONE KNOW THE TEXT CHANGES THAT ARE PROPOSED IN THIS UPDATE DO NOT AFFECT ANY PROPERTY. LIKEWISE, THE FUTURE LAND USE MAPS, THERE'LL BE ENOUGH DATED, AS WELL. THEY DO NOT CHANGE THE DENSITY OR INTENSITY OF ANY PROPERTY. BASICALLY WHAT THE MAPS WILL BE CHANGING FOR PRIMARILY IS THE DATE BECAUSE THE TIMEFRAME OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS MOVING OUTSIDE SO THERE REALLY IS ONE OTHER CHANGE OFF OF THAT LITTLE BIT. JUST WANTED TO KIND OF LET EVERYONE KNOW THAT NO ONE'S PROPERTY WAS AFFECTED BY ANY OF THESE CHANGES. SO WHAT ARE WE PROPOSING IN THE COMP PLAN? THE CHANGES FALL INTO TWO CATEGORIES. THEIR STATUTORILY REQUIRED CHANGES SO STAFF LOOKS AT EVERY PIECE OF LEGISLATION, REALLY, THAT WAS PASSED SINCE THE LAST UPDATE. SO THAT WAS IN 2017. AND DETERMINED, DOES IT IMPACT OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IN ANY WAY? AND WE'VE IDENTIFIED FOUR THAT WE NEED TO MAKE SOME CHANGES AND BECOME PREHENSILE PLAN TO ADDRESS. AND THE OTHER CHANGES ARE ESSENTIALLY COMMONLY CALLED LOCAL WE NEED BASED CHANGES SO SOMETHING THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT HAS IDENTIFIED AS SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE CHANGED, AND I'LL GO OVER THOSE WITH YOU AS WELL. THESE ARE THE FOUR STATUTORY CHANGES. THE FIRST ONE WAS IN '21. THAT WAS A BUILDING DESIGN ELEMENT, BASICALLY THE STATE SAID THAT LOCAL GOVERNMENTS COULDN'T APPLY ARCHITECTURAL REQUIREMENTS FOR SINGLE-FAMILY OR DUPLEX HOUSES UNLESS IT WAS IN A PUD ESTABLISHED BEFORE THE LAW WENT INTO EFFECT IN '23.IN '22 THEY ENACTED FLOATING SOLAR FACILITIES LAW, WHICH REQUIRED THAT THOSE TYPES OF FACILITIES BE A PERMITTED USE IN ANY APPROPRIATE LAND-USE CATEGORIES AND REQUIRES THAT THE LERS REFLECT THAT. IN '23 THERE WAS A LAW THAT PASSED ABOUT ELECTRICAL SUBSTATIONS, NEW AND EXISTING ELECTRICAL SUBSTATIONS MUST BE PERMITTED IN ALL LAND-USE CATEGORIES AND NO SIZE LIMITATION CAN BE ENFORCED. AND THEN ALSO IN '23, AND THIS ONE IS MOST GERMANE TO THIS EVENING'S DOCUMENT, THE NEW PLANNING HORIZON. THAT ESTABLISHED TWO PLANNING PERIODS. ONE MUST BE THE FIRST 10 YEARS AFTER ADOPTION. THE OTHER HAS TO BE A 20 YEAR PERIOD, AND IN ADDITION TO THAT, THERE ARE REQUIREMENTS NOW WITH DATA THAT HAS TO BE SIGNED STATING WHERE ALL THE POPULATION PROJECTION FIGURES COME FROM. SO I'LL BE TAKING CARE OF THAT. YES.
>> BOARD WISHES, IF YOU PREFER TO HEAR IT ALL IN ONE GO WE DO THAT. IF YOU WANT TO STOP WE CAN STOP.
>> IS THERE ANY CONSENSUS ON THAT? THEN LET'S GO AS WE MOVE
ALONG. >> ONE SLIDE, IF YOU WILL.
THESE ARE THE ONES THAT KIND OF INTEREST ME. THE BUILDING DESIGN ELEMENTS, WHEN IT SAYS , CAN THAT BE APPLIED IT TO SINGLE-FAMILY OR TWO FAMILY DWELLING UNITS, THAT -- I'M MOSTLY INTERESTED IN HOW THAT AFFECTS, LIKE THE CLAY HILL OVERLAY, WHICH MAINLY COVERS COMMERCIAL. SO WE CAN STILL DICTATE FOR THAT, CORRECT? WHAT IF A NEW PUD CAME IN NOW? ACTUALLY IT LOOKS LIKE AFTER JULY 1 . OR THE NOT ABLE TO DICTATE WHAT THE HOUSES LOOK LIKE IN THOSE PUDS. IS THAT
WHAT THEY ARE SAYING? >> KIND OF, YES, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THEY ARE SAYING. AND I DON'T KNOW, I HAVEN'T READ IT IN A LITTLE WHILE SO I CAN'T REMEMBER ALL THE DETAILS OF ITS BUT ESSENTIALLY IF IT'S IN UNINCORPORATED, SO IT'S NOT IN ONE OF OUR MASTER PLANS, THEN YES, YOU'RE RIGHT.
SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES, YOU KNOW, EVEN IF IT WAS IN A PUD, REALLY COULDN'T HAVE LANGUAGE THAT SAID YOU HAVE TWO HAVE A BLUE FRONT DOOR OR PORCHES WITH OVERHANGS, OR WHATEVER.
>> IT'S ONLY DESIGN ELEMENTS. IT WOULDN'T AFFECT THINGS LIKE
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-- YOU KNOW YOU HAVE TO HAVE A LAWN INSTEAD OF ARTIFICIAL GRASS, THAT KIND OF THING. IT'S THE DESIGN ELEMENTS OF>> YEAH, EVEN UNDER AN HLA. I DON'T KNOW, THAT VERY QUESTION MIGHT HAVE COME UP SINCE THEN AND I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY
CHANGES THAT APPLY TO THIS. >> AFTER THIS, I COULD PAINT MY
HOUSE BLUE IN AN HOA ? >> YOU COULDN'T BECAUSE YOU
>> YEAH, SOMETHING COMING IN NEXT YEAR OR SOMETHING, I'M NOT SURE. IT BECOMES A LEGAL QUESTION.
>> AND JUST A QUICK QUESTION ON THE PLANNING HORIZON. WE ALWAYS DID A TENURE. HAS IT ALWAYS BEEN --
>> RIGHT NOW IT'S THE 2040 PLAN SO IT'S BEEN A 20 YEAR
PLAN. >> AND BEFORE THAT WAS 2025 PLAN OR SOMETHING? OKAY. OKAY. THANK YOU.
>> SO POPULATION, I HAVE TWO SLIDES FOR YOU FOR POPULATION PROJECTIONS. THIS ONE INCLUDES ALL THE MUNICIPALITIES. SO GATEWAY -- AND THESE ARE ALL THE PLANNING DISTRICTS. THE GATEWAY DISTRICT, SPRINGS, PETTY FARMS, ASBURY AND KEYSTONE HEIGHTS ALL INCLUDE THE CITIES IN THIS SLIDE. ON THE NEXT SLIDE AND WHENEVER YOU ARE READY, LET ME KNOW, I'LL SWITCH AND YOU CAN SEE THE POPULATION DIFFERENCE, SUBTRACT
OUT THE CITIES. >> WE HAVE THAT IN OUR PACKET?
>> NO, I GOT IT AFTER THE PACKETS HAD TO BE UPLOADED.
SORRY ABOUT THAT. THAT'S WHY I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU GUYS A MINUTE. I KNOW YOU HAVEN'T SEEN IT BEFORE.
>> WHAT IS -- WHERE IS THE GATEWAY PLANNING DISTRICT?
>> THAT IS WHAT WE CALLED ORANGE PARK PLANNING DISTRICT.
>> OKAY. >> WHERE DO THE NUMBERS COME -- I KNOW IN 2030 WE START LOSING PEOPLE. ARE WE EXPECTING SOME
CATASTROPHIC EVENT? >> NO CATASTROPHIC EVENTS. IT MAY BE A FUNCTION OF BUILDOUT BUT I DON'T REALLY KNOW FOR
SURE. >> WATERFRONT PROPERTY MIGHT GO
>> SEA LEVEL RISE. >> DATA. SO THE TOTAL NUMBERS ARE BASED ON BIEBER. BIEBER GIVES US THE PROJECTIONS THROUGH 2030 ACTUALLY. THEN, BASED ON THE NORTH FLORIDA REGIONAL TRANSPORTATION PLANNING MODEL, THEY HAVE DATA FOR A TRAFFIC ANALYSIS ZONE AND WE DO SOME FINAGLING ON THAT TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL FITS INTO THE PLANNING DISTRICT, SO WE CAN USE THEIR MODEL TO PROJECT AND IT'S A LITTLE BIT COMPLICATED, BUT BETWEEN CENSUS DATA IN 2010, WHICH IS NOT HERE, BUT 2020, AND THEN THE MODEL WHICH HAD CONTI 15, 2030 AND 2045, THAT'S HOW WE ARRIVE AT ALL THE NUMBERS BASED ON THE PLANNING DISTRICTS. BUT IT ALL HAS TO ADD UP TO THAT BIEBER PROJECTION AT THE END. THAT
EXPLAINED NOTHING, I KNOW. >> BUT IT DOES A LITTLE BIT FOR FLEMING ISLAND. TYPICALLY FLEMING ISLAND IS FAIRLY WELL BUILT OUT AND WHEN YOU HAVE A NEIGHBORHOOD LIKE THAT, AS THE POPULATION AGES, THEY ASSUME A LOT OF THE CHILDREN ARE GOING TO LEAVE AND IT'S GOING TO BECOME AN OLDER -- NOT LESS HOMES, JUST LESS PEOPLE IN EACH HOUSE.
>> AND YOU CAN SEE KEYSTONE ALSO HAS A LITTLE FLUCTUATION.
I THINK ORANGE PARK. >> GATEWAY, THEY CALLED IT.
>> DROPS AND THEN COMES BACK UP. 2030, THE YEAR, IT LOOKS LIKE A COUPLE OF THEM ACUALLY DROP AND THEN START COMING BACK UP. AND THEN YOU HAVE REDEVELOPMENTS, YOU KNOW,
CHANGES IN POPULATION. >> I'M PRETTY SURE BILL WOULD BUT CAN WE GET A COPY OF THE SLIDE GIMMICK THIS WOULD BE A NICE ONE JUST TO HAVE FOR FUTURE REFERENCE.
>> WE NEED TO PROVIDE DATA AND ANALYSIS. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU REMEMBER BACK TO 2017, WE DID A FULL DATA ANALYSIS FOR THE FUTURE LAND USE ELEMENT. WE'LL HAVE THAT FOR THE BOARD. IT'S NOT QUITE FINISHED AT THIS POINT BUT WE WILL PROVIDE ANY NO COPY OF IT TO YOU. FLIP FORWARD TO THE OTHER SLIDE,
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TAKING OUT THE CITY'S POPULATIONS. THESE ARE THEUNINCORPORATED AREAS. >> LET'S GO BACK FOR A SECOND.
>> I'M SORRY. YOU WERE JUST GIVING US TIME TO LOOK AT IT.
>> YEAH. >> BY ADJUSTING THOSE NUMBERS.
>> A COPY OF THAT ONE, TOO. >> YES, I WILL SEND THAT TO YOU, ABSOLUTELY. ALL RIGHT. THE LOCAL NEED BASE CHANGES, BASICALLY TWO CATEGORIES, THERE IS ONES THAT ARE PROCEDURAL WHERE WE ARE CHANGING THE DATES ON THE MAPS, CITATIONS THAT ARE REFERENCED THROUGHOUT, THAT SOMETIMES THEY POINT TO THE STATE STATUTE THAT'S CHANGED SO CHECK ALL OF THOSE. WE MAKE SURE THE LEVEL OF SERVICE STANDARDS ARE CONSISTENTLY REFERENCED THROUGHOUT THE COMP PLAN BECAUSE THEY HAVEN'T ALWAYS BEEN. WE FIXED OUTDATED DATES AND REQUIREMENTS, SPELLING ERRORS, TABLE FOOTNOTES THAT WERE INDIRECT, AND JUST SORT OF CLEAN THINGS UP A LITTLE BIT. ONE TABLE SO FAR, WE'VE GONE THROUGH THE CIP TABLES ARE ALL IN THERE.
THEY WEREN'T IN YOUR COPIES. I'M SORRY ABOUT THAT. I DIDN'T GET IT UPLOADED IN TIME, AGAIN, BUT THOSE AREN'T CHANGING. THIS TABLE 7 OF THE CIP, EXCUSE ME, CIE, THAT ONE DID CHANGE SO WE ELIMINATED QUITE A FEW FACILITIES THAT WERE LISTED THERE, SEGMENTS THAT PROJECTS HAVE BEEN COMPLETED OR ARE COMPLETING NOW. THIS ONE IS A MOVING FORWARD PROJECT AND THIS IS BLANDING BOULEVARD, ESSENTIALLY, SOUTH OF WELLS UP TO THE NEW COUNTY LINE. THAT'S ON THE FDOT AND TPO FIVE-YEAR PROGRAM SO THAT WILL BE GOING IN. THE OTHER CHANGES THAT ARE NEEDED BASED LOCAL CHANGES, THEY CORRECT ISSUES THAT YOU'VE SEEN THAT COME UP BASED ON THE OMISSIONS THAT ARE IN THE COMP PLAN OR PORTIONS WHERE ONE PART OF THE COMP PLAN CONFLICTS WITH SOMETHING ELSE. OR CHANGES THAT WERE NEEDED TO PROVIDE CLARITY. IN ONE CASE WE CHANGED MEASUREMENTS. SO HERE IS A LITTLE TABLE OF THOSE OTHER TYPES OF CHANGES. WE CLARIFIED THAT UP TO 20 LOTS CAN ACCESS A SINGLE EASEMENT ONLY IF IT'S AN EXISTING EASEMENT. THAT'S IN THE SENTENCE UP ABOVE IT. IT STATES IT EXISTING, MEANT AS A DATE IN 1996. IT WAS A LITTLE VAGUE. CHANGE MEASUREMENTS FOR THE POINTS THAT YOU HAVE TWO ACQUIRE IN ORDER TO DO EITHER LOW INCOME HOUSING PROJECTS OR ELDERLY AND HANDICAPPED HOUSEHOLDS. IN ORDER TO GET MORE POINTS YOU HAVE TO BE CLOSER TO SERVICES. THOSE WERE DONE AS RADIUS IS, WHICH DON'T REALLY MAKE A LOT OF SENSE BECAUSE YOUR WALKING DISTANCE ISN'T NECESSARILY AS THE CROW FLIES. SO THEY CREATED A LOT OF INEQUITIES AND SO WE'VE CHANGED THAT FROM A SIMPLE RADIUS TO A WALKING DISTANCE OR A DRIVING DISTANCE DEPENDING ON WHETHER IT WAS A SERVICE THAT YOU WOULD TYPICALLY WALK TO OR A SERVICE THAT WOULD COME TO YOU BY LIKE AN AMBULANCE OR THAT KIND OF THING. WE CREATED A BUSINESS PARK CATEGORY THAT WASN'T IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, ALTHOUGH THERE WAS REFERENCE TO THE BUSINESS PARK CATEGORY IN THE COMP PLAN. IT WAS NEVER DEFINED, SO, HOWEVER, WE DID GO BACK AND FIND WHERE IT WAS CREATED AND WE PULLED THAT LANGUAGE IN. IF WE DIDN'T CREATE IT, IT WAS ADOPTED BUT IT WAS NEVER PUT IN A COMP
PLAN. >> BECAUSE THERE'S AT LEAST ONE IN THERE, RIGHT THERE AT THE CORNER OF STATE ROAD 16 AND
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315. IT'S NEVER BEEN BUILT. I THOUGHT THERE WAS A BUSINESS PARK THERE. TRYING TO THINK, IT WAS ON THE WEST SIDE OF 315 AND NORTH OF 16. BECAUSE THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO REALIGN -->> THAT'S THE ONE WHERE THIS WAS CREATED.
>> IS NEVER GOT IN HERE? >> EXACTLY. WE TWEAKED A REFERENCE THAT DIDN'T MAKE MUCH SENSE TO MULTIPLE DEVELOPMENT TYPES. IT WAS CONFUSING. WE CHANGED A TERM FROM -- IT WAS TRYING TO SAY AN EXPEDITED REVIEW PROCESS BUT OTHER PARTS OF THE CODE TALKS ABOUT A PRIORITY REVIEW, SO FOR CONSISTENCY WE ARE TRYING TO MAKE THE LABELS MATCHUP. WE ADDED RURAL FRINGE AND URBAN FRINGE IN THE FUTURE LAND USE TABLE. AGAIN, THAT WAS KIND OF A BIT OF AN OMISSION SO WE NEED TO BE CONSISTENT. AMENDED A POLICY TO SAY WE WOULD PROVIDE MONITORING FOR FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY INSTEAD OF MANDATORY PROVISION OF RECYCLING, WHICH AS WE KNOW, BIG COUNTY POLICY IS ABOUT TO CHANGE. TRYING TO KEEP UP WITH THAT. WE ADDED GROSS TO DENSITY INTO PLACES. SOME OF OUR CODE IS GROSS ACREAGE, SOME PARTS OF OUR CODE ITS NET, AND IT WAS NOT SPECIFIED IN THOSE TWO PARTICULAR DISTRICTS. CREATED A POLICY TO ADDRESS THE L.A. COM LAND USE CATEGORY, WHICH WAS CREATED WHEN, LIKE ASBURY WAS ESTABLISHED, BUT TO CAPTURE EXISTING COMMERCIAL AND KEEP IT SEPARATE FROM THE VILLAGE CENTERS THAT THE MASTER PLAN CREATED. SO WE ADDED IN THAT.
IT WASN'T DEFINED AT THE TIME BUT IT WAS SHOWN ON THE MAPS AND JUST STANDARDIZED THE VILLAGE CENTER INTERCHANGE, VILLAGE CENTER, JUST THE LANGUAGE, HOW THE TITLES WERE REFERRED TO IN THAT PORTION OF CODE. THOSE REALLY ARE ALL THE CHANGES. I GAVE YOU A BREAKDOWN OF MOST OF THAT THROUGH TABLES AND REDLINE VERSION, WHICH I HOPE NOBODY PRINTED BECAUSE I WAS GOING TO WAIT TO READ THE PAPER. BUT IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS AT ALL ABOUT ANY OF THOSE, I WILL GO THROUGH THEM.
I JUST DON'T HAVE THEM IN A SLIDE.
>> I DO HAVE A QUESTION. >> GO AHEAD.
>> NOT WHAT YOU COVERED, BUT IN THE STAFF REPORT, YOU HAVE ANTICIPATED UP DATES TO SPECIFIC ELEMENTS AND IT SAYS THOSE PLANS ARE FINALIZED, WILL BE UPDATED. ARE THOSE STILL TO COME FORWARD OR ARE YOU JUST TELLING US YOU'RE GOING TO DO
IT? >> I'M MORE OR LESS TELLING YOU THAT WE ARE GOING TO DO IT BECAUSE THOSE WILL BE NOT NECESSARILY DONE THROUGH THE PLANNING COMMISSION, SO YOU MAY NOT SEE THEM. THE SCHOOL BOARD IS UPDATING THEIR EDUCATIONAL FACILITY PLAN IN SEPTEMBER. THAT WON'T COME HERE BUT WE WILL BE UPDATING THE PORTION IN THE COMP PLAN AS WE KEEP -- THEIR PLAN IS ALSO ADOPTED IN OUR CIE. THOSE TABLES WILL GET
UPDATED AGAIN. >> THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IN THE FP, THE FP WE DO ON AN ANNUAL BASIS FOR A FIVE-YEAR PROJECTIONS OF THE COMP PLAN IS DONE.
>> SEVEN YEARS. >> IN SEVEN YEARS, AND WE EIGHT HOURS ON AN ANNUAL -- WE ADOPTED ON AN ANNUAL BASIS.
TYPICALLY THE FP CAN CHANGE AT ANY TIME BASED ON SEVERAL DIFFERENT FACTORS AT THE SCHOOL DISTRICT.
>> ARE THERE OTHER QUESTIONS? >> THIS IS MORE OF A GENERAL ONE. YOU KNOW IN PREVIOUS EAR PROCESSES, WE WENT THROUGH A PRETTY BREAK PROCESS. COUNTY HIRED USUALLY A CONSULTING FIRM OF SOME TYPE. WE HAD PUBLIC HEARINGS ALL OVER THE COUNTY AND THEN THEY CAME BACK WITH ALL THE RECOMMENDED CHANGES.
I'M JUST CURIOUS TO KNOW WHY IT'S DIFFERENT.
>> SO STATE LAW CHANGED SOMEWHAT. 10 YEARS AGO YOU HAD TO DO THE WHOLE REPORT SO THAT EVALUATION AND APPRAISAL REPORT REQUIRED THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT TO UPDATE ALL OF ITS DATA ANALYSIS AND UPDATE EVERY SINGLE OBJECTIVE AND POLICY IN
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THE ENTIRE CONFERENCE OF PLAN, FROM ONE END TO THE OTHER. YOU WERE ALMOST MANDATED TO HIRE CONSULTANTS BECAUSE MOST LOCAL GOVERNMENTS DON'T REALLY NECESSARILY HAVE ON STAFF TO DO THAT LEVEL OF ANALYSIS IS VERY TIME-CONSUMING. IT'S A 1 TO 2 YEAR PROCESS ON AVERAGE, USUALLY. BUT THE LAW HAS CHANGED. NOW WE ARE REQUIRED TO, AT A MINIMUM, DO ADDRESS THE STATUTORY CHANGES AND DO ADDRESS ANYTHING THAT WE IDENTIFY AS A NEED BUT NOT NECESSARILY GO THROUGH EVERY LINE. YEAH. NOT THAT THAT'S A BAD SYSTEM.>> I JUST THOUGHT IT USED TO BE A VERY INVOLVED PROCESS AND THEN WE ENDED UP WITH TWO BINDERS ABOUT THAT THICK FROM
>> ARE THERE OTHER QUESTIONS? >> FIRST OF ALL, SCARY. RALPH AND I ARE STARTING TO THINK A LOT ALIKE. I'M ASKING THE SAME QUESTIONS. RALPH IS RUBBING OFF ON ME BUT I WAS CURIOUS ABOUT THAT SAME THING BECAUSE IN THE PAST I PARTICIPATED IN YOUR PROCESS AND I WAS GOING TO ASK WHY DIDN'T HAPPEN. SO BASED PARTICULARLY ON SOME OF THE MORE RECENT MEETINGS, CONCERNED OR AWARE OF THE FACT THAT WE ARE GETTING THIS ANTI-GROWTH SENTIMENTS, THIS ANTIDEVELOPMENT SENTIMENT AND IT SEEMS LIKE SOMETHING LIKE THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE PUBLIC TO BE INVOLVED AT LEAST THAT THE CAC LEVEL. AND I JUST WONDER, AS WE MOVE FORWARD, BECAUSE THIS IS ABOUT MODIFYING THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN . JUST THINKING OUT LOUD HERE, FOR THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THE PUBLIC TO BE INVOLVED AND TO ADDRESS THEIR CONCERNS, ARE WE GOING TOO FAST, OR WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE HE'LL OBVIOUSLY WE ALL HAVE OUR OPINIONS ON THAT BUT I'M JUST WONDERING, HOW CAN THE PUBLIC BE MORE INVOLVED OR, YOU KNOW, YOU SORT OF ANSWERED IT WAS A STATUTORY THING. IN THE PAST YOU WERE REQUIRED TO DO IT. THIS YEAR YOU WEREN'T REQUIRED TO DO IT AND I UNDERSTAND THAT BUT WHAT CAN WE DO OR SHOULD WE DO TO DRAG PEOPLE IN IF WE CAN, AND GET THEIR INPUT AND ADDRESS -- BECAUSE YOU SAW THE GROWTH ON THE POPULATION IS PRIMARILY LAKE ASBURY, GREEN COVE SPRINGS. NOT WHERE I LIVE, THE POPULATION 30 DAYS 40 YEARS FROM NOW IS ACTUALLY LESS THAN IT IS RIGHT NOW. IT'S ACTUALLY KIND OF INTERESTING SO I GUESS IT'S KIND OF A RAMBLING
QUESTION. >> THAT WAS A GOOD QUESTION.
THE -- YES WE CAN ABSOLUTELY REACH OUT TO SOME CACS -- NOT SOME, THE ONES WE HAVE ACTIVE ONES AND BEFORE WE DO THE
ADOPTION PORTION OF IT. >> AT LEAST MAKE THEM AWARE THAT THE PROCESS IS HAPPENING. I'M THINKING PARTICULARLY THE LAKE ASBURY AREA WITH THE PROJECTED RAPID GROWTH AND RATHER THAN WAIT UNTIL THE DEVELOPMENT IS HERE AND THEN THE WHOLE ARMY OF PEOPLE IN RED T-SHIRTS SHOWS UP.
>> BECAUSE WE ARE NOT REALLY -- YES WE CAN ABSOLUTELY DO IT.
BECAUSE WE ARE NOT MAKING THOSE KIND OF SUBSTANTIVE CHANGES AT THIS TIME, WHAT WE DO WANT TO DO THOSE AND I THINK WE ARE GOING TO GET THROUGH THIS PORTION OF IT. WE HAVE SEVERAL PLANS THAT WILL BE ADOPTED NEXT YEAR SO WE ARE GOING TO BE COMING BACK TO THIS, MORE ON A -- I WON'T SAY ELEMENT BY ELEMENT BASIS BUT WE ARE GOING TO BE COMING BACK AND MAKING UPDATES INTO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN NEXT YEAR AND PROBABLY INTO THE YEAR AFTER BECAUSE IT DOES TAKE TIME TO DO. SO IF THAT PROCESS WHERE WE ARE GETTING DOWN INTO THE MORE NITTY-GRITTY, IF YOU WILL, I THINK THAT'S WHERE MORE PUBLIC PARTICIPATION IS EVEN MORE VALUABLE. WE DON'T REALLY -- WITH THE STATUTORY THINGS, HAVE MUCH SAY. I MEAN YOU KIND OF HAVE TO DO WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO.
>> THIS IS NOT NECESSARILY THE RIGHT VEHICLE. I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT YOU BUT THIS IS NOT NECESSARILY THE RIGHT VEHICLE
FOR THAT SORT OF INPUT. >> WELL THERE'S NOT MUCH WE CAN DO WITH ADDRESSING WHAT ARE TYPICALLY MORE RESIDENTIAL CONCERNS IN THE NARROW TIMEFRAME WE HAVE TO DO THIS, THAT I THINK IT'S A MUCH BETTER OPPORTUNITY IF WE CAN DO THOSE KINDS OF DIGGING INTO IT, MAYBE ON AN ELEMENT BY ELEMENT BASIS, WHEN WE CAN KIND OF PLAN THE TIME FRAME. DOES THAT MAKE
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>> I'M NOT TRYING TO SHORT-CIRCUIT THE PROCESS IN
ANY WAY. >> I KNOW IT. PEOPLE ALWAYS HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME DOWN AND TALK AND SPEAK AND BE INVOLVED. THEY SEEM TO WAIT UNTIL THE LAST MINUTE.
>> UNFORTUNATELY I'M GOING TO CALL IT NIMBY IS IN. THEY DON'T SHOW UP UNLESS IT'S IN THEIR BACKYARD AND THEY'RE NOT AN ACTIVE PART IN THE 2040 PLAN OR THE 2050 PLAN. THEY DON'T REALLY UNDERSTAND THE IMPACT OR WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN AS A RESULT OF THAT AND THAT'S A KIND OF A TOUGH NUT TO CRACK IS TRYING TO GET THE PUBLIC INVOLVED. HOW MANY TIMES HAVE WE HEARD HERE, I LOVE MY GREEN SPACE, I LOVE THE WILDLIFE, AND IT'S HARD FOR THEM TO UNDERSTAND THAT GROWTH IS INEVITABLE AND IT JUST SO HAPPENS TO BE IN YOUR BACKYARD
RIGHT NOW. >> AND THEY USED TO DO THAT WITH THE WAY THEY DID THE YEAR -- THEY USED TO ASK A LOT OF THOSE QUESTIONS AND INPUT BUT I KNOW WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT .
YOU KNOW WHAT I'D LIKE TO SEE IF WE COULD GET IT ONE DAY? BECAUSE I'M SURE YOU GUYS HAVE IT SOMEWHERE, IS WHERE ALL THE ENTITLED BUILDING IS NOW, BECAUSE WE KNOW IN THAT AREA THERE, AROUND THE OLD GUSTAFSSON'S PROPERTY IN AGRICOLA, THERE'S LIKE 40,000 HOMES THAT ARE ALLOWED IN THEIR, YOU KNOW? SO WHEN PEOPLE COME IN AND SAY WE'VE GOT TO BUILD MORE HOUSES, WELL THERE'S 40,000 HOUSES THERE SO WHY AREN'T THEY BEING BUILT IF WE NEED THEM? AND I KNOW THAT IN LAKE ASBURY, IN THE MASTER PLAN AREA, THERE IS QUITE A FEW ENTITLED IN THEIR THAT HAVE NEVER BEEN BUILT SO THAT'S ALWAYS BEEN MY QUESTION, IS WHEN YOU COME IN AND SAY WE'VE GOT TO BUILD MORE HOUSES, WHY AREN'T WE BUILDING THE 40,000 OR 50,000 THAT ARE -- WHY AREN'T THEY COMING OUT OF THE GROUND? WHAT'S PREVENTING THAT, YOU KNOW? AND THAT'S WHERE YOU NEED TO GET THE NEIGHBORS INVOLVED, AND YOU ARE
RIGHT TO TALK ABOUT THAT. >> MICHAEL, DID YOU HAVE A
QUESTION? >> YES MA'AM, I DID. I WAS WAITING MY TURN. SO DODI, I JUST WANTED TO ASK TWO QUESTIONS. ONE, STATUTORY CHANGES, I UNDERSTAND THE REQUIREMENTS AND WE HAVE TO CONFORM THE LOCAL NEEDS SPACE CHANGES. WHAT INPUT DO WE RECEIVE FROM PRIVATE INDUSTRY ON THOSE HAVE WE RECEIVED ANY? I KNOW THERE IS NO PUBLIC BUT HAVE WE REACHED OUT TO PRIVATE INDUSTRY FOR FEED BACK?
>> DID WE RECEIVE ANYTHING BACK IN? YEAH, OKAY.
>> SO THE ANSWER IS YES THAT WE INDUSTRY BUT WE RECEIVED NO
FEEDBACK. >> NO, BECAUSE WE CAN'T JUST PICK AND CHOOSE WHO WE REACH OUT TO SO IT'S THE PUBLIC PROCESS. I WAS TRYING TO REMEMBER IF WE RECEIVED ANYTHING KIND OF UNSOLICITED, IF YOU WILL, FROM A LOCAL
DEVELOPER. BUT OKAY -- >> I'LL MAKE A COMMENT.
>> PLEASE DO. >> I WOULD SAY THAT'S PART OF THE PURPOSE OF US DOING SOME OF THIS READ-ONLY, AHEAD OF TIME FOR YOU GUYS, AND LETTING YOU SEE IT. AND I'VE ACTUALLY SAID THAT WE HAD A QUARTERLY MEETING ON MONDAY AND I WAS PRETTY MATTER-OF-FACT WITH THEM. I'M LIKE, LOOK GUYS, EVERYBODY HAS GOT A LOT GOING ON. IF IT'S A BIGGER TICKET ITEM -- IS THIS ARTICLE TO ITEM? I GUESS I NEED TO ASK THAT. WRONG ITEM, SO THERE YOU GO. WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU GET HERE LATE. BUT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT -- WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THAT ITEM HERE IN A FEW MINUTES, I SAID YOU GUYS, THE PRIVATE INDUSTRY GUYS KIND OF HAVE SOME RESPONSIBILITY HERE, TOO. THEY NEED TO BE TAKING A LOOK AT OUR AGENDAS ONLINE AND IF THEY HAVE A QUESTION THEY NEED TO LET US KNOW. AND WE ARE TRYING TO DO ANY OF OUR BIGGER CODE CHANGES, WE ARE TRYING TO DO FOR READ ONLY THE FIRST TIME AROUND SO THAT CAN BE KIND OF A HELLO, WE ARE HERE KIND OF THING AND THEY WERE FINE WITH THAT SO YOU KNOW WE NEED TO TRY TO GET IN TOUCH WITH FOLKS BUT YOUR POINT ABOUT MEETINGS AND OUR PARKS GUYS AND OUR ENGINEERING TEAM DID A HUGE VETERANS PARK ACCESSIBILITY -- I DON'T KNOW REALLY WHAT IT WAS CALLED BUT THEY HAD THIS HUGE TOWNHALL MEETING TO TRY TO GET INPUT. YOU KNOW HOW MANY SHOWED UP?
>> 10. >> NO. PEOPLE AREN'T COMING OUT IN PUBLIC. IF THEY CAN'T GET ON FACEBOOK AND GET THEIR OPINION BEHIND THE SCREEN THEY'RE NOT REALLY GIVING IT
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TO ME, WHICH STINKS. >> I REMEMBER MAKING THE REMARK TO DIANE HUTCHINS ONE TIME, PEOPLE ARE AS INFORMED AS THEY WANT TO BE. LIKE HE SAID, WHEN IT'S IN THEIR BACKYARD THEY'LL CHARGE DOWN HERE AND RAISE ALL HECK. FIRST COAST EXPRESSWAY HAS BEEN PLANNED FOR 30 YEARS AND ALL OF A SUDDEN NOW IT'S A
PROBLEM. >> AND WE ARE TRYING TO DO THAT SO I'M NOT SAYING WE ARE NOT BUT ALSO I'VE KIND OF SAID TO SOME OF OUR GROUPS, OUR INTEREST GROUPS, Y'ALL GOT TO PAY ATTENTION AND JUST ASK QUESTIONS OF US.
>> REAL QUICK , EXCUSE ME, IF I COULD JUMP IN, THE THING WITH THE QUARTERLY MEETING, WAS THAT A STANDING MEETING YOU HAVE?
>> JUST STARTED IT, YES SIR. THEY CAME WITH AN AGENDA AND IT WAS A GREAT MEETING, I THOUGHT .
>> IT WAS A GOOD MEETING. WE HAD A GOOD GROUP REPRESENTED. I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY PICKED WHO.
>> THANK YOU. >> MICHAEL, DID YOU HAVE
ANOTHER QUESTION? >> MADAM CHAIR, THANK YOU. THE OTHER ONE IS A VERY BASIC QUESTION SO THE TRANSMITTAL, ASSUMING IT'S APPROVED, WILL BE SENT TO THE STATE BUT THE INTENTION IS IT WILL BE PRESENTED IN FRONT OF THE BOARD IN JANUARY, I THINK YOU STATED. WILL IT COME BACK IN FRONT OF THE PNC BEFORE IT GOES IN FRONT OF THE BOARD WITH COMMENTS BACK
FROM THE STATE? >> NO, BUT I COULD ABSOLUTELY SEND THEM TO YOU, LET YOU KNOW. IT WILL GO TO THE BOARD. WE WILL HAVE THE AGENDA OUT, ALL THAT KIND OF THING BUT WE CAN
SHARE THAT WITH YOU AS WELL. >> I WOULD APPRECIATE JUST SEEING WHAT COMMENTS THE STATE WOULD HAVE ON THIS. THANK YOU
SO MUCH. >> ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION? SO AT THIS TIME I THINK WE NEED TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. I HAVE NOTECARDS, SEE NO ONE COMING FORWARD. I'LL CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING AND BRING IT BACK TO
THE COMMISSION FOR A MOTION. >> MADAM CHAIR, I ONLY WITH
APPROVAL OF STAFF REPORT. >> WE HAVE A MOTION. I BELIEVE WE HAVE A SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
[2. Public Hearing to consider ZON 24-0022 (County Wide Article II Amendment) (T. McCoy)]
>> AYE. >> OPPOSED, SAME SIGN. MOTION CARRIES. ITEM NUMBER TWO NECK ON THE AGENDA IS A PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER CON 24-0022, WHICH IS PRESENTED BY TANCHIN MCCOY, OUR SENIOR PLANNER.
>> TURN YOUR MIC ON. >> GOOD EVENING, COMMISSION, CHAIRPERSON. SO I'M HERE THIS EVENING TO DISCUSS CON 2024
0022. >> THE APPLICANT IS THE CLAY COUNTY DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND DEVELOPMENT SERVICES AND THIS IS A REPEAL AND REPLACE OF ARTICLE TWO TO ALLOW FOR UPDATING THE PLATTING PROCESS AND REMOVAL OF OUTDATED PORTIONS OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. THIS WILL AFFECT THE ENTIRE COUNTY, THESE CHANGES, AND THIS WILL BE HEARD AT THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS ON SEPTEMBER 10 AND WILL BE UP FOR ADOPTION. THE PROPOSED CHANGES INCLUDE RENUMBERING OF THE TABLE OF CONTENTS TO REFLECT THE CHANGES AS WELL AS MOVING THE LOCATION OF THE MINOR SUBDIVISION TO JUST ABOVE THE MAJOR SUBDIVISION. WE HELP THIS WOULD INCREASE THE READABILITY OF THE CODE. IT ALSO WILL ALLOW US TO UP DATE SOME OLD LANGUAGE AND ADD NEW PROCESSES AND INFORMATION THROUGHOUT ARTICLE TWO. SPECIFICALLY TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE STATE LEGISLATION REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE COMING UP IN OCTOBER, WE ARE LOOKING AT SOME NEW REQUIREMENTS TO THE PRELIMINARY PLAN AS WELL AS SOME NEW REQUIREMENTS OF HAVING A PRELIMINARY PLATTING PROCESS. AND THOSE SECTIONS IN RESPONSE TO THAT LEGISLATION IS GOING TO BE CHANGED IN SECTION TWO DASH EIGHT, MAJOR SUBDIVISION REVIEW PROCESS, SECTION 2 DASH 11 WILL NOW BECOME SECTION 2 DASH 13 AND THAT'S THE PLATTING PROCESS. SECTION TWO DASH 13 WILL NOW BECOME SECTION 2-2 AND THAT IS THE DEVELOPMENT PERMITTING PROCESS. AND ALSO THERE WAS A SLIGHT CHANGE TO THE SCHEMATIC AT THE END OF THE CODE. SO THIS SECTION IS THE MINOR SUBDIVISION SECTION THAT WAS JUST SIMPLY MOVED FROM ONE LOCATION IN THE CODE TO THE OTHER. MOSTLY WE MOVED IT AGAIN TO ASSESS -- ASSIST WITH THE READABILITY OF THE CODE AS WELL AS TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE TABLE OF CONTENTS. SECTION 2-8 IS WHERE WE ADDED THE ACTUAL INFORMATION FOR THE EARLY SUBDIVISION DEVELOPMENT
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PLANNING. THIS SECTIONSTARTS THE PROCESS WHEN A DEVELOPER WANTS TO DO EARLY SUBDIVISION BUILDOUT. THIS IS THE REQUIREMENTS THAT WILL BE REQUIRED TO ADD TO THEIR SITE PLAN. SO AS YOU CAN SEE, NUMBER NINE IS THE EARLY SUBDIVISION PLAN BUILDOUT AND WHEN THEY CHOOSE TO BUILD MORE THAN 10 UNITS PRIOR TO PLAT REPORTING THE PLAN SHEETS MUST CLEARLY IDENTIFY AND INCLUDE WHICH UNITS WILL BE BUILT OUT, WHICH RECREATION OPEN-SPACE WILL BE PART OF THAT BUILDOUT, AND ALSO REQUIRE A PRIOR DEVELOPMENT ACCESS PLAN. THIS IS SPECIFICALLY FOR PUBLIC SAFETY. WE ARE LOOKING AT AGAIN, WHEN YOU ARE BUILDING OVER 10 HOMES, IF YOU ARE GOING TO BUILD UP TO 50%, WHICH IS WHAT THE NEW LEGISLATION IS REQUIRING US TO ALLOW, THAT IS GOING TO BE ADDITIONAL WORKERS OUT THERE.THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME NEED FOR SOME FIRE ACCESS AND MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S SOME TYPE OF ROAD BASE IN PLACE AT THE TIME AS WELL AS WATER AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. THIS WAS VERY THOROUGHLY REVIEWED BY OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT AND THEY THOUGHT THIS WAS IMPORTANT INFORMATION TO HAVE.
>> IF YOU DON'T MIND, IS IT OKAY IF WE ASK ? I DON'T WANT TO MISS YOUR PRESENTATION UP. I THOUGHT THE RULE OF THUMB, AND THIS MAY BE A LITTLE ANTIQUATED BUT I THOUGHT THE RULE OF THUMB IS THAT A DEVELOPER OR A BUILDER OF A NEW DEVELOPMENT COULD ONLY PULL THREE PERMITS FOR NEW VERTICAL STRUCTURES UNTIL THE PLAT WAS RECORDED AND THE SUBDIVISION WAS ACCEPTED.
>> ABSOLUTELY. THAT HAS CHANGED BUT OUR NEW STATE LEGISLATION HAS COME OUT. ITS HOUSE BILL -- THREE, SENATE BILL 812 THAT CAME OUT AND IT REQUIRED US TO HAVE A PROCESS FOR THE DEVELOPERS TO BUILD UP TO 50% OF THE DEVELOPMENT PRIOR TO PLAT RECORDING AND RESPONSE TO THAT COMING UP IN OCTOBER, THESE ARE THE CHANGES THAT WE HAD TO PUT IN PLACE IN ORDER TO
MAKE THAT PROCESS. >> AND THIS IS A STATUTORY
REQUIREMENT. >> YES, STATE STATUTORY REQUIREMENT. SO IN THAT PROCESS AGAIN, MAINTENANCE AND DRAINAGE, MAKING SURE THAT WHATEVER THEY ARE BUILDING, THEY ARE ALSO DEALING WITH THE DRAINAGE ISSUES THAT COME ALONG WITH THAT SITE PLAN AT THE TIME THAT THEY ARE DOING THAT BUILDOUT. ALSO IN ORDER TO FACILITATE THIS NEW STATUTORY REQUIREMENT, WE THOUGHT IT WAS IMPORTANT TO HAVE SOME REQUIREMENTS RELATED TO -- BECAUSE ONE OF THE OTHER CHANGES IS THAT THE BUILDING PERMITS HAVE TO BE PROCESSED IN A CERTAIN PERIOD OF TIME SO IF IT'S A SINGLE-FAMILY HOME WITH A CERTAIN TYPE OF INSPECTION, WHICH IS PRIVATE INSPECTION, IT HAS TO BE PROCESSED WITHIN 10 DAYS. IF IT'S CLAY COUNTY INSPECTION IT HAS TO BE PROCESSED WITHIN 20 DAYS ACCORDING TO THE NEW LEGISLATION. AND SO, IN ORDER TO FACILITATE THAT PROCESS, WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAD A CONSISTENT LANGUAGE IN TERMS OF WHAT IS A COMPLETE SUBMITTAL AND THEN WE ADDED THIS LANGUAGE IN ORDER TO IDENTIFY WHAT WE WOULD CONSIDER TO BE A COMPLETE SUBMITTAL SO THAT THE CLOCK STARTS WHEN ALL OF THIS INFORMATION HAS BEEN APPROVED.
>> DO YOU HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION?
>> LET ME ASK YOU A QUESTION. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR INDULGING ME. I'M JUST CURIOUS. SO IF WE ARE NOW LEGISLATIVE, BY LAW, THAT A DEVELOPER CAN NOW DEVELOP UP TO 50% OF VERTICAL STRUCTURES ON A SITE PACKAGE THAT'S NOT BEEN APPROVED BY THE COUNTY YET, WHAT HAPPENS IF IT DOESN'T GET APPROVED, OR WHAT HAPPENS IF THERE IS REMEDIATION THAT HAS TO HAPPEN IN ORDER TO -- EITHER DRAINAGE , OR THE FINISHED FLOORS ARE SET SO AS LONG AS THE BUILDERS SET THEIR FLOORS RIGHT, THAT SHOULDN'T BE THE ISSUE. BUT HAS THE STATE COME BACK WITH ANY INFORMATION ON HOW THE COUNTY IS SUPPOSED TO
DEAL WITH THIS? >> ONLY THAT WE WILL BE HELD HOLD HOMELESS SO THAT IS GOING TO BE PART OF OUR APPLICATION PROCESS THAT THEY SIGN OFF THAT WE AS A COUNTY WOULD BE HELD
HOLD HARMLESS. >> BY THE DEVELOPER OR THE
BUILDER? >> BY THE DEVELOPER AND THE BUILDER. WE WILL HAVE THE INDEMNIFICATION REQUIREMENT FOR THEM TO SIGN OFF WHEN THEY WANT TO CHOOSE THIS PROCESS OF EARLY
>> NOW I HAVE A QUESTION AND I THOUGHT THIS WHEN I READ THIS BUT THEY HAVE TO LIKE OPT INTO THIS EARLY.
>> YES. IF THEY DON'T >> AND I ASSUME THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE SOMETHING WHERE THEY SAY WE ARE GOING TO OPT INTO THIS, OTHERWISE IS IT STILL THE THREE?
>> WE HAVE OUR EXISTING PROCESS. THAN WE HAVE THIS OTHER PROCESS, STATE-MANDATED, THAT WILL LET THEM COME IN AND START BUILDING A WHOLE BUNCH OF HOMES WITHOUT A PLAT RECORDING.
SO WE CAN'T DO MUCH ABOUT IF IT'S STATE REQUIRED BUT I'M
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NOT SURE I EVEN UNDERSTAND THE LOGIC BEHIND THAT BECAUSE TO YOUR POINT, IF YOU'VE PUT THE FLOORS IN, RIGHT, I WOULD THINK IF I'M GOING TO SELL YOU A HOUSE, I'VE GOT TO MARK THE LOT. I'VE GOT TO PUT -- I'VE GOT TO MARK THE LOT.>> THOSE HOUSES CAN'T SELL UNTIL THE PLAT IS RECORDED IN THE SUBDIVISION HAS BEEN DEVELOPED. THERE IS NO BUILDER THAT WOULD SELL A LOT THAT'S NOT FULLY ACCEPTED BY THE COUNTY. THEY COULDN'T, I DON'T BELIEVE.
>> YEAH, THAT'S A PART OF THE LEGISLATION AS WELL, THAT THEY ARE NOT TO BE SOLD OR OCCUPIED PRIOR TO THE RECORDING OF THE
PLAT. >> SO THE BUILDER IS TAKING THE RISK ON OF PUTTING A LOT OF PRODUCT OUT THERE.
>> IT'S LIKE BUILDING A WHOLE BUNCH OF SPEC HOMES, RIGHT?
>> YES. >> OKAY. I KNOW WE HAVE TO HAVE A PROCESS. I'M NOT SURE IF I WAS A BUILDER I'D BE WANTING
TO DO THAT. >> WHO WOULD WANT TO?
>> I DON'T KNOW BUT SOMEBODY GOT TO TALLAHASSEE, A LOBBYIST, AND TOLD HIM WE NEEDED TO. SOMEWHERE THEY ARE DOING THIS.
>> I COULD SHARE A LITTLE BIT OF THE LOGIC IF YOU'D LIKE.
WHEN A NATIONAL HOMEBUILDER COMES IN, DEPENDING ON THE SITE, DEPENDING ON THE DEMOGRAPHICS, THE SALE PROJECTIONS, THEY ARE ABLE TO PUT A LOT OF PRODUCT OUT THERE AND ARE ABLE TO FINANCIALLY FLOAT THAT. NOW A LOCAL BUILDER, I DON'T KNOW ANY LOCAL BUILDER THAT I KNOW THAT WOULD PUT THAT MUCH MONEY OUT BUT NATIONAL BUILDERS I BELIEVE WOULD AND THAT'S PROBABLY WHO PUSHED THIS AND THAT WOULD BE -- THAT WOULD MEAN THAT WHEN THEY ARE DONE WITH FULL COUNTY ACCEPTANCE OF THE SITE DEVELOPMENT, THEY IMMEDIATELY HAVE PRODUCT TO SELL. THEY DON'T HAVE TO WAIT ANOTHER SIX MONTHS TO GO VERTICAL MINUS THE THREE THEY'RE GOING TO USE AS MODEL HOMES ANYWAY. THOSE FIRST THREE ARE TYPICALLY ALMOST ALL MODEL HOMES AND THEN THEY'LL START TO SELL TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC OUT OF THOSE MODEL HOMES. THEY'LL PROBABLY STILL DO THE SAME THING AND SELL OUT OF MODEL HOMES BUT THEY CAN NOW, UP TO 50% OF THE PRODUCT THEY CAN BUILD AND HAVE READY BASICALLY ON THE SHELVES FOR ANY BUYER WHO WANTED TO COME SO IF SOMEBODY HAS A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF CAPITAL, THEY ARE ABLE TO TAKE THAT MODEL AND HIT THE MARKET, AND FLOOD THE MARKET, QUITE FRANKLY, WITH NEW HOMES.
>> AND THEY COULD TAKE RESERVATIONS ON THE HOMES. THEY JUST COULDN'T ACTUALLY SELL THEM.
>> I BELIEVE SO. IT DEPENDS ON HOW THEY ARE SET UP.
>> UNTIL IT'S RECORDED, THEY CAN'T SELL.
>> CAN'T SELL IT BUT I WOULD IMAGINE THEY COULD TAKE A RESERVATION, IDENTIFY THIS IS THE LOT YOU ARE GOING TO GET, THIS IS THE HOUSE YOU'RE GOING TO GET, THINGS OF THAT NATURE THAT HAVE A LIST OF CUSTOMERS RIGHT THERE IN PLACE AT THE
TIME. >> I BELIEVE OUR ASSISTANT COUNTY MANAGER HAD A FEW COMMENTS FOR US.
>> JUST TO GIVE YOU GUYS A LITTLE INSIGHT FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE, AND WHY WE HAVE THE THREE OR UP TO 10 IF YOU HAVE THREE DIFFERENT BUILDERS IN A SUBDIVISION, BECAUSE FROM A COUNTY PERSPECTIVE, WE ARE THE PEOPLE THAT ALWAYS GET THE CALL, RIGHT? SO WE ALWAYS GET THE CALL THAT THE BUILDER IS MAD AT US AND WE ARE NOT MOVING FAST ENOUGH BUT WE ALSO GET THE SAME CALL FROM THE HOMEOWNER THAT THE BUILDER SOLD ONE OF THOSE FIRST FEW HOMES TO, THAT THE ROADS AREN'T FINISHED, YOU KNOW, THE LIST JUST GOES ON. CAN'T YOU STOP THIS? THE ROAD IS NOT EVEN DONE AND I MOVED IN. WELL KNOW WE CAN'T. WE CAN'T HELP EVERYBODY. SO WE ARE A LITTLE BIT LEERY OF THIS FOR SOME OF THE REASONS THAT YOU GUYS HAVE SPOKE BUT IT'S FLORIDA STATUTE. WE'VE GOT TO DO IT AND WE JUST HOPE THAT THE PEOPLE THAT BUY THE HOMES EARLY WHEN THE ROAD MAY NOT BE FINISHED AND ALL THE TREES AREN'T UP, AND YOU DON'T HAVE A REALLY OPERABLE SUBDIVISION, I GUESS THE BENEFIT OF BEING THE FIRST IN, MAYBE YOU GET TO PICK THE BEST HOUSE. I DON'T KNOW. BUT YOU GET TO DEAL WITH THE REST OF THE BUILDING, TOO.
SO IT'S GOING TO BE FUN, FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE, BECAUSE WE ARE GOING TO GET CALLS FROM EVERYBODY.
>> SO POINT OF CLARIFICATION, IF THEY BUILD 50%, THEY'RE ON THEIR WAY TO 50% OF VERTICAL AND THEN THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT SAYS I'M SORRY, THIS WON'T WORK, SO DOES THAT MEAN THEY HAVE TO START PULLING UP FOUNDATIONS AND REWRITING THE PLAN OR WHAT? IS COURTNEY GOING TO BE APPLYING FOR
ADDITIONAL STAFF? >> INVOLVES HER. THAT'S WHY TO ME IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE TO ALLOW UP TO 50%.
>> THAT'S WHAT THE PRELIMINARY PLAT ROOM IS ABOUT, TO SUBMIT IT, TO MAKE SURE ALL THE ELEVATIONS ARE SET SO THERE SHOULD NOT BE A POSITION -- I'M SORRY, MADAM CHAIR, MAY I? WE SHOULDN'T GET -- THE COUNTY SHOULDN'T GET INTO A POSITION WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO SAY NO. THEY MAY COME BACK AND MOST LIKELY WILL COME BACK AND SAY FIX THIS BUT NOT TEAR DOWN HOUSES BECAUSE IF THEY GET THEIR FINISHED FLOOR ELEVATIONS
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AND THAT'S ALL SET AS PART OF THE PRELIMINARY PLAT, OR SHOULD BE, THEN THE BUILDER, THE PRODUCT SHOULD BE FINE THEY MAY NOT HAVE CONFORMED TO ALL THE COUNTY DEVELOPMENTS FOR THE SITE DEVELOPER AND THAT'S POTENTIALLY WHERE THERE WILL BESOME GRAY AREA. >> WHICH IS WHY INFORMATION IS IN THERE THAT'S ON THE SCREEN. IF SOMETHING GOES SOUTH BECAUSE OF ALL OF THAT, THEY CAN FIND IT SOMEWHERE ELSE. NOT UP HERE.
>> I UNDERSTAND THAT BUT MY CONCERN IS THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE AVAILABLE AS FAR AS THE COUNTY HAVING TO TELL THEM, I'M SORRY THAT HOUSE IS IN THE WRONG PLACE OR SOME OTHER REASON WHICH I CAN'T IMAGINE, WOULD THAT NOT EXIST?
>> IF A BUILDER PUT A HOUSE IN THE WRONG PLACE, I THINK WE WOULD HAVE TO QUESTION THE LICENSE THAT WAS ISSUED TO THE
>> BECAUSE IT'S BASED OFF OF ALL THE SURVEY DATA AND THOSE
POINTS ARE SET. >> I'M JUST EXTREMELY APPREHENSIVE ABOUT -- I'M SURE LEGAL STAFF AND PLANNING PARTNERS DO THIS PROCESS TO SEE HOW IT WORKS.
>> IT'S TALLAHASSEE. >> MR. MCCOY, WOULD YOU
CONTINUE? >> AS WE DISCUSSED, WE HAVE THE TWO OPTIONS. OPTION ONE WAS OUR CURRENT OPTION THAT WE HAVE AND WE THOUGHT IT WAS IMPORTANT TO KEEP THIS AVAILABLE FOR, AS YOU STATED, THE SMALLER BUILDER THAT DIDN'T WANT TO GO THROUGH THIS WHOLE ENTIRE PRELIMINARY PLAT IN PROCESS AND JUST WANTED TO CONTINUE ON AS THEY HAVE OVER THE PAST YEARS. THIS WAY THEY CAN WAIVE OPTION TWO AND JUST GO AHEAD AND CONTINUE AS THEY HAVE ALREADY AND THEREFORE THE LARGER HOMEBUILDERS, WE HAVE AN OPTION FOR THEM, AS WELL. AND THEN WE ADDED SOME ADDITIONAL LANGUAGE TO THE PLATTING SECTION 2-13 TO INCLUDE THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE PRELIMINARY PLAT AND SPECIFICALLY THOSE REQUIREMENTS WILL INCLUDE THAT THEY ALSO ON THAT PRELIMINARY PLAT WILL HAVE TO IDENTIFY WHICH UNITS WILL BE BUILT PRIOR TO THE PLAT RECORDING AND THEN ALSO AGAIN THE RECREATION AND OPEN SPACE, WE THOUGHT IT WAS IMPORTANT THAT THEY HAVE ON THAT PRELIMINARY PLAT. THEY CAN TAKE IT OFF ONCE THEY GO INTO FINAL PLATTING FOR US TO LOOK AT AND STAFF TO BE ABLE TO REVIEW IT AND COMPARE IT TO OUR SITE PLANS, WE'VE GOT SUPPORT AND WE HAVE THAT INFORMATION. AND THEN WE ALSO ADDED SOME OF THE STATUTORY LANGUAGE THAT THE STATE CAME UP WITH WHICH IS THAT THEY HAVE TO DO THE BOND OF 130% OF THE NECESSARY IMPROVEMENTS AND THAT THAT BOND HAS TO BE COVERED ON A PHASE BY PHASE BASIS. THEY HAVE TO PROVIDE PROOF THAT THE APPLICANT HAS PROVIDED A COPY OF THE PRELIMINARY PLAT ALONG WITH APPROVED SITE PLANS, CIVIL PLANS TO THE RELEVANT ELECTRIC, GAS, WATER UTILITY COMPANIES.
THAT WAS ALSO PART OF THE LEGISLATION. AND THEN WE ADDED THE CAP WHICH ADDRESSING AND GIS THOUGHT IT WAS IMPORTANT TO HAVE WHEN THIS PROCESS TAKES OFF BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF THINGS COMING IN AT A MUCH RAPID PACE FOR STAFF TO TAKE CARE OF QUICKLY. AND SO STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL
OF CON 24 0022. >> DO WE HAVE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS BY THE COMMISSION? IF NOT, I'M GOING TO OPEN PUBLIC COMMENT. I DO NOT HAVE ANY CARDS. I DO NOT SEE ANYONE COMING FORWARD. I'LL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT AND BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMISSION FOR A MOTION.
>> MADAM CHAIR, I'M RELUCTANTLY GOING TO MOVE THE STAFF REPORT BECAUSE THIS IS A STATUTORY REQUIREMENT AND I THINK THEY'VE DONE A GOOD JOB. HOPEFULLY THIS WAS LIKE MR. BOURRE SAID, SOME NATIONAL BUILDER THAT IS TARGETING CLAY COUNTY, WE'LL NEVER SEE IT BUT I'LL MOVE IT.
[3. Public Hearing to Consider ZON 24-0020 (M. Brown)]
>> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED, SAME SIGN.
MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU MS. MCCOY. ITEM NUMBER THREE ON THE AGENDA IS A PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER CON 2024-0020 PRESENTED BY MIKE BUTLER, OUR ZONING CHIEF.
>> MADAM CHAIR AND BOARD, THIS, YOU REMEMBER LAST MONTH I BROUGHT FORWARD AN INFORMATIONAL ITEM REGARDING A PROPOSED NEW CONDITIONAL USE CODE CHANGE TO OUR CODE. THIS IS A NEW CONDITIONAL USE AND THE APPLICANT IS -- THIS IS A
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COUNTY INITIATED CHANGE AND IT'S A NEW CONDITIONAL USE FOR A RURAL EVENT VENUE. AND WHAT THIS WOULD ALLOW HIS ALLOW THE VARIOUS USES THAT PRESENTLY ARE IN THREE DIFFERENT PRESENT CONDITIONAL USES, THE RURAL EVENT CENTER, THE YOUTH CAMP AND RETREAT CENTER, AND THE INTENT WOULD BE TO ALLOW FOR -- REALLY TO PROVIDE OPPORTUNITIES IN OUR WORLD -- RURAL AREAS OF THE COUNTY FOR LANDOWNERS TO BASICALLY HOLD EVENTS SUCH AS WEDDINGS, REUNIONS, AND MAYBE SOME LARGER EVENTS SUCH AS SOME FESTIVALS OR THERE COULD BE A WEEKEND LONG FESTIVAL TYPE THING. SOME OF THE REASONS THAT WE ARE GOING THIS DIRECTION IS -- AND I THINK I POINTED OUT THE LAST MONTH, THE RURAL EVENT CENTER, WHICH IS PRIMARILY THE MECHANISM WHERE WE HAVE THE CONDITIONAL USE FOR THE WEDDINGS, REUNIONS, ET CETERA, BACK IN 2017 THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS DIRECTED STAFF NOT TO TAKE ANY MORE APPLICATIONS FOR THOSE AND THAT STANDING ORDER IS STILL IN PLACE SO WE HAVE NOT TAKEN IN ANY APPLICATIONS FOR SUCH A CONDITIONAL USE SINCE THEN. WE HAVE -- WE STILL GET CALLS FOR IT AND THAT IS STAFF'S RESPONSE TO THAT, TO THOSE REQUESTS. YOUTH CAMP AND RETREAT CENTERS ARE PRIMARILY FOR NONPROFIT ENTITIES. SO THAT LEAVES OUT THE PRIVATE LANDOWNER THAT MAY WANT TO DO USES WITHIN -- THAT YOU FIND WITHIN THOSE CONDITIONAL USES, OUT OF THE ABILITY TO DO THAT. SO THIS CHANGE WOULD ALLOW FOR SORT OF BACKFILLING THE RELEVANCE, SOME OF THE RURAL EVENT CENTER USES AS WELL AS OPENING IT UP FOR PROFIT AND PRIVATE LAND OWNERS . THE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONAL USE WOULD BE ALLOWED IN THE BRENNAN FIELD RURAL SUBURBS, THE LAKE ASBURY RURAL COMMUNITY, LAND USES, THE AGRICULTURAL ZONING DISTRICT AND AGRICULTURAL RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICTS.THOSE ARE THE MORE RURAL AREAS WITH LARGER LAND HOLDINGS PREDOMINANTLY. GOING OVER SOME OF THE STANDARDS THAT ARE PROPOSED WITHIN THE RURAL EVENT VENUE, IF SOMEONE DESIRED TO PURSUE THE CONDITIONAL USE, MINIMUM SIZE IS 50 ACRES. MUST BE ACCESSED BY A PAVED ROAD. A PERIMETER BUFFER OF 75 FEET WITH THE TYPE B BUFFER REQUIREMENTS AND JUST ANTICIPATING A QUESTION FROM COMMISSIONER BOURRE ABOUT WHETHER WE'VE HEARD FROM ANYBODY ON THE OUTSIDE. THIS ITEM STAFF HAS HEARD A CONCERN WITH THE 75 FEET PERIMETER IF WE ARE HAVING A REQUIREMENT OF MINIMUM SIZE OF 50 ACRES. WE'VE HEARD COMMENT THAT'S A LOT OF LAND YOU ARE PUTTING ASIDE. SO I JUST WANTED TO POINT THAT, THAT'S THE ONE COMMENT THAT WE RECEIVED, THAT STAFF RECEIVED ON THIS, IS MAYBE RETHINKING OR THE CONCEPT OF MAYBE REDUCING THAT 75 FOOT BUFFER REQUIREMENT. AGAIN, THEY HAVE TO PURSUE, APPLY, AND RECEIVE APPROVAL FOR THE RURAL EVENT VENUE PRIOR TO COMMENCING ANY OPERATIONS. THERE IS A CONDITIONAL USE PROCESS FOR HAT. ALLOWING UP TO 25% OF THE PROPERTY TO BE DESIGNATED FOR USE FOR RVS OR TENTS. THAT'S TO ALLOW FOR MAYBE A FESTIVAL THAT'S GOING FOR A WEEKEND LONG, WHERE PEOPLE CAN COME IN, STAY OVERNIGHT IN THERE. TIED TO THAT WE BROUGHT FORWARD ALL THE GUIDELINES, DESIGN GUIDELINES FOR CAMPGROUND AND
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YOUTH CAMPS TO BE CONSISTENT WITH WHAT'S FOUND IN THEIR PRESENTLY, FOR THE RV AND TENT SITES. HELD EVENTS MUST COMPLY WITH REQUIREMENTS OF THE CLAY COUNTY EVENT ORDINANCE WHERE APPLICABLE. SO THERE'S A THRESHOLD ON SIZE AND TYPES OF USES THAT HAVE TO GO THROUGH THAT SEPARATE PROCESS. SO IF SOMEONE WAS TO HAVE OR GO THROUGH THE CONDITR A RURAL EVENT VENUE, IF THEY HELD A LARGE FESTIVAL THAT TRIGGERED THAT, THEY WOULD STILL HAVE TO GET A PERMIT THROUGH THE EVENT ORDINANCE PROCESS TO BE ABLE TO HOLD THAT EVENT. SO THIS WOULD NOT BE A CART LAUNCH, I CAN HAVE HUGE EVENTS WITHOUT ANY REQUIREMENTS. AND THEN THERE IS THAT THIS WOULD PROVIDE A LITTLE LENIENCY AS IT RELATES TO NOISE AND SOUND THAT'S PRESENTLY IN SECTION 55 OF THE CLAY COUNTY CODE, ALLOWING SOME FLEXIBILITY FOR THURSDAYS BETWEEN 5:00 P.M. AND 10:00 P.M., FRIDAYS AND SATURDAYS BETWEEN 9:00 A.M. AND 11:00 P.M. AND SUNDAYS BETWEEN 10:00 A.M. AND 5:00 P.M., AGAIN TO ADDRESS THOSE FESTIVALS WHICH MAY HAVE -- COULD HAVE MUSIC OR WHATEVER. BUT OUTSIDE OF THE HOURS AND DAYS IDENTIFIED HERE, OUR NOISE ORDINANCE WOULD APPLY BUT WITHIN FLEXIBILITY IN THOSE TIMES AND DAYS IDENTIFIED HERE.AND YEAH, AS I INDICATED LAST MONTH, WE HAVE RECEIVED SOME INTEREST FOR SUCH TYPES OF USE FROM SOME LANDOWNERS IN THE COUNTY AND AS I INDICATED EARLIER, THE RURAL EVENTS CENTER CONDITIONAL USE IS NOT AVAILABLE TO ANYONE RIGHT NOW.
AND THE USE CAMPS AND RETREAT CENTERS ARE LIMITED TO OPERATED BY NON-FOR-PROFIT ORGANIZATIONS. AND TALKING WITH THE TOURISM BUREAU AND DIVISION, THEY HAVE INDICATED THAT A DESIRE FOR SUCH A USE IN THE COUNTY, THEY THINK IT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL TO THE COUNTY, AND ASSIST THEM IN THEIR JOB OF PUBLICIZING AND BRINGING TOURISM TO THE COUNTY. SO WITH THAT, IF I PROVIDED YOU ALL THE WORDING AND IN YOUR PACKETS, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF.
>> ANY QUESTIONS FOR MIKE AT THIS TIME?
>> MIKE, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS GOT MISSED OR I BROUGHT IT UP AND IT'S INTENTIONAL, LINE 198 IN THE STAFF REPORT. YEAH, 198 IN THE NEW VERSION. ITEM A. IT'S THE SECOND PART OF THAT SENTENCE. IT TALKS ABOUT CABIN OR GROUP CABINS AND THEN IT SAYS WITHIN THE BOUNDARIES OF THE YOUTH CAMP.
>> I GOT -- >> THAT'S A MISTAKE ON MY
PART. >> BECAUSE IT REPEATS. I FIGURED THIS IS FROM CUTTING AND PASTING.
>> I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. >> THERE IS ALSO LINE 208, THE SAME REFERENCE, AND YOU MIGHT WANT TO JUST CLEAN THAT UP.
>> I'LL CLEAN THAT UP AND I ALSO RECEIVED SOME COMMENTS FROM THE CHAIRMAN THAT I WILL CLEAN UP ALSO.
>> OKAY. THE -- I HAVE TWO OTHER COMMENTS, IF I COULD. THE FIRST ONE IS I KNOW THAT WE STOPPED DOING THESE RURAL EVENT VENUES AND IF I RECALL RIGHT THERE WAS SOME KEYSTONE AREA THAT TRIGGERED ALL OF THAT. BUT PRIOR TO THAT, I THOUGHT WE APPROVED ONE SOMEWHERE NEAR GREEN COVE. DO YOU KNOW IF IT'S STILL OUT THERE? IT WASN'T ON A PAVED ROAD, EITHER. OKAY. AND THEN I JUST WANT TO MAKE A COMMENT ABOUT THE 75 FOOT BUFFER, BECAUSE IF THAT'S COME UP, IT DOESN'T SEEM -- MY OPINION, IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE AN EXCESSIVE AMOUNT
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OF BUFFER TO PUT AROUND BASICALLY A FESTIVALS SITE, IS FROM THE WAY YOU ARE DESCRIBING IT. YOU KNOW YES, IT EATS UP SOME PROPERTY BUT IT'S AT LEAST 50 ACRES. SO I DON'T THINK IT EATS UP THAT MUCH, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU'RE WILLING TO -- OR THE COUNTY IS WILLING TO SOFT AND THE SOUND ORDINANCE FOR AT LEAST PART OF THE TIME AND IF THE TORIES AND PEOPLE GET BEHIND THIS, IT COULD BE USED QUITE A BIT SO IT SEEMS TO ME LIKE THAT'S A REASONABLE BUFFER WHEN YOU TAKE ALL THAT OTHER STUFF INTO ACCOUNT, IS MY OPINION ON THAT PIECE.>> THANK YOU, RALPH. ARE THERE OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS AT
THIS TIME? IF NOT -- >> I DID, I'M SORRY. ONE MORE.
CAN YOU DEFINE TYPE B BUFFER JUST TO MAKE SURE WE ALL
UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT IS? >> I DON'T HAVE THE ORDINANCE WITH ME. BEST MAY BE ABLE TO OFF THE TOP OF HER HEAD.
>> OKAY, TYPE B IS WHAT WE TYPICALLY REQUIRE BETWEEN RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL PROPERTY, SO IT'S A 20 FOOT BUFFER WITH A SIX FOOT VISUAL BARRIER, WHICH IS EITHER SHRUBS, FENCE, WALL OR A COMBINATION OF FERN AND THEN EVERGREEN TREE PLANTING, 30 FOOT COMMON ON CENTER OR IN THE
LENGTH OF -- >> WHAT'S THE OPACITY OF THAT BUFFER? IS THE IDEA THAT YOU CAN'T SEE THROUGH IT?
>> THAT'S, YEAH, THE IDEA. AND WHEN WE SAY FENCE, IT'S
SUPPOSED TO BE A BIG FENCE. >> OKAY.
>> I WILL TELL YOU FROM A STAFF STANDPOINT THAT 75 FEET, WE THOUGHT THERE WOULD PROBABLY BE ENOUGH VEGETATION WITHIN THAT 75 FEET THAT YOU COULD PASS WITHOUT HAVING TO DO A FENCE.
>> IF IT WAS ALREADY A WOODED AREA. BUT I MEAN IF THEY ARE GOING TO CONVERT PASTURELAND THEN THAT'S WHAT THEY WOULD
HAVE TO PUT IN. >> ALL RIGHT. ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS. IF THERE ARE NONE, I'M GOING TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. DO NOT HAVE ANY CARDS, DO NOT SEE ANYONE COMING FORWARD. CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, BRING IT BACK TO THE
COMMISSION FOR A MOTION. >> I WILL MOVE THE STAFF REPORT
ON THIS, MADAM CHAIR. >> IS THERE A SECOND? WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
>> AYE. >> ANY OPPOSED, SAME SIGN.
MOTION CARRIES. THAT CONCLUDES OUR PUBLIC HEARINGS FOR THIS EVENING. I -- THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA WOULD BE PRESENTATIONS AND I HAVE NONE NOTED. IS THERE ANY OLD BUSINESS OR NEW BUSINESS THAT WE NEED TO BRING BEFORE THE COMMISSION? SEEING AND HEARING NONE, WE'LL OPEN THE FINAL PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD. I HAVE NO COMMENT CARDS AND I SEE NO ONE COMING FORWARD SO I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD. OUR NEXT PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING IS
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