SPECIAL STAFF RECOGNITION

[13. Request to use alternative procedure to notice public hearings for the consideration of potential purchase and sale agreement for the purchase of real property (C. Risinger)]

ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. ITEM NUMBER 13.

>> THANK YOU. MY FEELING ON ITEM 13 IS MORE A SENSE OF

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POLICY THAN ACTUAL CONTENT. I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR ITEM DURING THE LAST MEETING WE HAD AND ALSO I THINK IT WAS THE MEETING THAT WAS A WORKSHOP BEFORE THAT. THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION BUT IT WASN'T CLEAR ON THE BOARD FOR AS TO WHAT WE WERE LOOKING TO DO WITH THAT AND CERTAINLY NO DIRECTION TO STAFF IN THAT REGARD. I DIDN'T GET A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THE OTHER VIDEO OF THE MEETING ITSELF BUT I RECALL IT BEING DIFFERENT THAN WHAT ACTUALLY ENDED UP HAPPENING . MY THOUGHT WAS IT SHOULDN'T HAVE GONE ONTO THE CONSENT AGENDA, IT SHOULD'VE GONE TO DISCUSSION SO WE COULD MOVE FORWARD AND TALK ABOUT IT THERE. I JUST WANTED TO BRING THAT UP AS TO MAYBE UNDERSTANDING IN THE FUTURE HOW WE PUT THINGS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA AND DON'T PUT IT THROUGH SO MUCH ESPECIALLY CONSIDERING THERE WAS NOT A UNANIMOUS FEEL ON A PARTICULAR ITEM. I GUESS WE CAN DISCUSS A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE ITEM ITSELF AND ALSO AS TO WHAT WE THINK WE SHOULD DO GOING

FORWARD. >> DO YOU WANT TO MAKE A MOTION TO DISCUSS NOW OR PUT IT ON THE AGENDA?

>> EITHER WAY. I'M PREPARED TO DISCUSS NOW AND I'M ALSO PREPARED TO INSTRUCT THE COUNTY MANAGER TO PUT IT ON THE AGENDA FOR NEXT TIME AND DISCUSS NEXT TIME ALTHOUGH BASED ON MY UNDERSTANDING OF THE ITEM ITSELF IS WE ARE LOOKING AT USING THIS TO GIVE DIRECTION TO OUR REAL ESTATE PERSON TO GO OUT AND CONTACT THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY AND MAKE A DETERMINATION AS TO IF IT IS FOR SALE AND IF FOR SALE WHAT THE PRICE WOULD BE AND BRING IT BACK. AT NO TIME DO I THINK WE NEED TO GIVE ANY APPROVAL FOR NEGOTIATION AT THIS POINT BECAUSE WE AREN'T SURE WHETHER WE WANT TO PROCEED. IF I'M WRONG TELL ME BUT I THINK IN THE LAST MEETING WE DID NOT ESTABLISH A PRICE, WE ESTABLISHED A YES PRICE AND THAT WAS NOT THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY. IT'S REALLY NOT AN OFFICIAL PRICE WHERE WE CAN DERIVE A PRICE. WE ARE LOOKING JUST FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO TALK TO THE OWNER TO GET A PRICE. I WOULD NOT GIVE PERMISSION FURTHER THAN THAT TO ACTUALLY NEGOTIATE BECAUSE THAT'S GOT TO COME BACK TO THE BOARD. I'M GOOD WITH EITHER WAY. I DON'T HAVE A PARTICULAR

PREFERENCE. >> IF I MAY.

POSITION ON IT. >> LET ME EXPLAIN WHAT THE PROCESS IS. THIS IS A LITTLE BIT OF A DIFFERENT SITUATION THAN HOW WE ACQUIRED LIBRARY PROPERTY. THIS WOULD BE A SITUATION WHENEVER THE COUNTY GOES OUT FOR WHAT TO DO FOR THE TRANSPORTATION PROGRAM SO WE HAVE HAD NUMEROUS WITH ALL THESE DIFFERENT PROPERTIES SO WHAT IT DOES IS IT GIVES THE REAL ESTATE DEPARTMENT THE OPPORTUNITY TO REACH OUT AND TALK TO PEOPLE. BEFORE THEY CAN ACTUALLY GO AND NEGOTIATE OR ACQUIRE DETAILS THIS STEP IS REQUIRED UNDER OUR ALTERNATIVE

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PROCEDURES. THIS IS A SPECIFIC PROCEDURE WE FOLLOW BECAUSE THE BOARD MANY YEARS AGO ADOPTED THIS PROCEDURE. REGARDLESS OF THIS PROCEDURE THE STATUTE CAN FALL BACK INTO IT UNDER THE PROCEDURE THE STATUTE HAS. YOU STILL HAVE CERTAIN REQUIREMENTS. THIS ISN'T ANYTHING THE BOARD IS IMPROVING AS FAR AS AUTHORIZING THE SALE OF THE PROPERTY. IT IS AUTHORIZING CALEB TO BE ABLE TO TALK AND ACQUIRE MORE

INFORMATION. >> LET ME SAY MY RECOLLECTION OF LAST MEETING WAS THE UNCERTAINTY OF THE PRICE . THAT WAS ONE UNCERTAINTY AND IT SEEMED TO BE A HIGH PRICE. EVEN THE SIZE OF PARTIAL WASN'T KNOWN . SINCE THE LAST MEETING I LOOKED AT THE SIZE OF THE PARCEL THAT IS A .2 ACRE AND IT'S GOING TO BE 250 TO 300,000 IF YOU MULTIPLY THAT OUT THAT IS LIKE $1 MILLION AN ACRE. MORE IMPORTANTLY IT HAS A RESIDENTIAL HOUSE ON IT. I DON'T SEE WHERE WE NEED A RESIDENTIAL HOUSE. IT WOULD HAVE TO INCLUDE THE WHOLE COST OF THIS DEMO AND IF IT IS FOR PARKING WE ALREADY OWN A PIECE OF PROPERTY I THINK ACROSS A DIRT ROAD THAT IS AT LEAST LOOKS TO BE ABOUT THE SAME SIZE AS THIS PARTIAL. I REALLY DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT WE NEED THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY FOR.

THAT IS WHITE IN MY MIND IT SHOULDN'T HAVE GONE FORWARD LAST MEETING. I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY ELSE HAS ANY COMMENTS.

>> I CAN SPEAK ON WHAT YOU SAID. I DIDN'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE REAL ESTATE . I DON'T THINK IT'S REALLY FAIR FOR YOU TO MAKE THAT JUDGMENT. WE DON'T HAVE A PRICE AND WE HAVEN'T HAD A PRESENTATION THAT INCLUDES FROM OUR PARKS AND RECREATION AND TOURISM DEPARTMENT BECAUSE THERE IS FEEDBACK FROM BOTH OF THEM THAT THIS IS A VERY VALUABLE PARCEL THAT WHEN THE LAKES IN KEYSTONE ARE COMING BACK, THE PIPELINE PROJECT IS GOING TO BE TURNED ON BEFORE THE END OF THIS CALENDAR YEAR. WHEN LAKE GENEVA COMES BACK WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH PARKING FOR THE ACTIVITY LEVEL THAT IS GOING TO GO ON THERE. AGAIN, THERE HASN'T EVEN BEEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION , TO HAVE THE PRESENTATION FROM STAFF AND AS TO WHAT THIS WOULD BE USED FOR WE HAD THEIR IDEAS. THERE IS MONEY IN THE FUND THAT CAN USED TOWARDS A BOAT RAMP IMPROVEMENTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. IF YOU LOOK AT THE OLD 30, 40-YEAR-OLD MAPS THIS IS A WATERFRONT THAT THE HOUSE WASN'T ALWAYS THERE. I THINK THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY A FAIR JUDGMENT TO SAY BEFORE WE EVEN HAVE THE CONVERSATION BECAUSE MY UNDERSTANDING IS THE STEP HAS TO HAPPEN BEFORE WE CAN HAVE THE CONVERSATION IF AT LEAST TWO OTHER BCC MEMBERS WOULD BE INTERESTED IN THIS FOR THE FUTURE, FOR THE FIFTH STREET BOAT RAMP WE CURRENTLY OWN. STAFF HAS BEEN OUT THERE, THE COUNTY MANAGER HAS BEEN OUT THERE ON NUMEROUS TOURS. THERE WERE NUMEROUS COMMENTS BY STAFF THAT SAID WE WOULD REALLY LIKE TO HAVE THAT PARCEL . DO YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT IT? I DIDN'T KNOW UNTIL THIS GENTLEMAN EMAILED ALL OF US , OUR CONGRESSMEN, BOTH SENATORS, THE GOVERNOR. THERE HAS BEEN NO COMMUNICATION WITH HIM ASIDE FROM THAT EMAIL AND I EMAILED HIM BACK THAT SAID I WAS HIS COMMISSIONER AND I WOULD LIKE TO MEET WITH HIM. HE SENT ME SEVERAL OTHER EMAILS AND WE TRY TO COORDINATE SCHEDULES TO GET TOGETHER AND SAY HELLO. THAT HASN'T HAPPENED SO THERE HAS BEEN NO MOVEMENT OR COMMUNICATION NEFARIOUSLY ON THIS AT ALL . THERE HAS BEEN NO COMMITMENT MADE ON ANYTHING, I WANT THAT TO BE CLEAR TO YOU, MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS AND TO THE PUBLIC . TO MAKE A JUDGMENT LIKE THAT THAT YOU SEE NO INTEREST AND YOU'VE ALREADY SAID IT'S $1 MILLION AN ACRE THAT'S NOT -- I DON'T THINK THAT IS A FAIR ASSESSMENT AT ALL. I KNOW CALEB HAD LOOKED AT IT AND WE HAD A LITTLE BIT OF INFORMATION LAST MEETING BUT HE HASN'T HAD THAT CONVERSATION.

THAT IS KIND OF I THINK IN MY OPINION JUMPING THE GUN, MAKING A JUDGMENT THAT I DON'T THINK IS FAIR. AT ANY RATE IT IS WHAT

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IT IS. >> THIS IS ONLY TO SPEAK TO THE PERSONS ON THE PROPERTY CORRECT? MY FEELINGS ON ANY BOAT RAMP POSSIBILITY, I'VE BEEN BEGGING FOR BOAT RAMPS IN MY DISTRICT AND AS WE HEARD FROM TOURISM THE STUDY CAME BACK THAT WE HAVE TONS OF WATER IN OUR DISTRICT BUT HAVE NOT A LOT OF WAYS TO GET TO IT. WE NEED MORE ACCESS. FOR THAT REASON I THINK IT IS VERY IMPORTANT WE AT LEAST LOOK AT IT AND SEE WHAT THE POSSIBILITIES OF IT ARE. THAT

WON'T HURT ANYTHING. >> ANY OTHER COMMENT? MAKE A

MOTION? >> I MOVE APPROVAL.

>> SECOND. >> MOTION AND SECOND. ANY OTHER

DISCUSSION? >> IF I COULD. THIS MAY BE SOMETHING THAT HAS TO BE LOOKED AT AS YOU MOVE DOWN THE LINE COMPARING THIS WOULD BE NOT AN ESSENTIAL PURCHASE FOR PROPERTY . IT WOULD BE NICE IF EVERYTHING HOLDS AND IT'S SOMETHING WE NEED FOR WHATEVER PURPOSES BUT I CAN'T SEE . TO ME THAT WAS AN ESSENTIAL PURCHASE AND YOU HAVE TO MOVE THOSE PROJECTS ALONG AND TAKE ADVANTAGE OF WHAT WE COULD AND TERMS OF PRICING OR WHAT HAVE YOU. THIS IS DIFFERENT THAN THAT SO I OBJECT TO USING THE ESSENTIAL ASPECT OF THE BOND OF TRANSPORTATION PROJECT WE HAD TO HAVE TO MOVE FORWARD AS OPPOSED TO THIS ONE. I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH CALEB GETTING A PRICE IN ANY TERMS THAT MIGHT THEIR . HAILING THAT , THAT IS ALL WE REALLY NEED TO GET AT THIS POINT. I'VE BEEN TOLD THERE IS NEGOTIATION, THAT'S NOT NEGOTIATION, THAT'S INQUIRING TO SEE THE COST OF THE PROPERTY, HOW BIG IT IS, WHAT THE TERMS MIGHT BE AND BRING THAT BACK TO THE BOARD IN A FULL DISCUSSION RATHER THAN CONSENT AGENDA TO SEE WHETHER IT'S SOMETHING TO GO FORWARD WITH. THE BOAT RAMP WORK . IT WAS THERE FOR A YEAR BEFORE WE GOT A PIECE OF THE DOCKET THAT WAS BROKEN. LET'S USE THOSE BOATER FUNDS TO PUT THINGS WE HAVE IN PLACE ALREADY BACK TOGETHER . ALSO, AROUND THE BATHROOMS THERE IT IS ALL WOODS. THERE'S PLENTY OF ROOM TO BUILD MORE PARKING TO ALLOW ACCESS TO THE LAKE. I'M SURE RECREATION WOULD LOVE TO HAVE ANOTHER PARCEL, BUT WHAT DOES IT SAY FOR US IN THE MASTER PLAN AND MOVING FORWARD? I WILL SUPPORT THIS TO GET THE INFORMATION WHICH IS ESSENTIAL WHICH IS THE PRICE. WE CAN'T KNOW WE ARE INTERESTED UNTIL WE SEE THE PRICE. NOBODY IN THIS ROOM KNOWS WHAT THAT IS. THERE WAS A GUESSTIMATE AND HE'S REVISED HIS GUESSTIMATE BUT WE STILL DON'T KNOW SINCE THE PROPERTY IS NOT ON MLS OR LISTED ANYWHERE WHERE WE CAN SEE WHAT THE GENTLEMAN IS INTERESTED IN GETTING FOR HIS PROPERTY THERE. I WILL SUPPORT THIS BUT WHEN WE BRING IT BACK I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT WHETHER OLD BUSINESS OR NEW BUSINESS WHATEVER THE CASE BUT A DISCUSSION RATHER THAN CONSENT.

>> ANY OTHER COMMENTS? WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND TO DIRECT STAFF TO INVESTIGATE THE PRICE OF THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY AND UTILITY AND BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMISSION. ANY OTHER COMMENTS, QUESTIONS, CONCERNS? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. WE

[23. Progress Report on the Bonded Transportation Program (E. Dendor)]

WILL MOVE ON TO CONSENT AGENDA -- 23, PROGRESS REPORT BTP.

>> GOOD EVENING . HERE'S AN UPDATE TO THE PROGRESS THE TEAM MADE OVER THE LAST MONTH. FOR PROJECT NUMBER ONE COUNTER READ

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TO 18 WHICH IS FROM PINE TREE LANE THE COUNTY TEAM CONTINUED THEIR BIMONTHLY STATUS MEETINGS . THEIR SUBCONTRACTOR CLEARED THE RIGHT-OF-WAY ALONG THE NORTH SIDE OF THE PROJECT. THE START OF THE INSULATION OF A TEMPORARY LANE ON THE SAME SIDE OF THE SHOULDER AND SHIFTED TRAVELING TO THE NORTH. THIS SHIFT ALLOWS THE INSTALLATION OF STORMWATER PIPES AND RELOCATION OF UNDERGROUND UTILITIES ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE ROADWAY. FOR SEYMOUR GROUP TWO PROJECTS 2568 APPRAISALS AND OFFERS CONTINUE FOR ACQUISITION . SPECIFICALLY FOR PROJECT NUMBER TWO SUPERIOR CONTINUE THE INSTALLATION OF THE DRAINAGE SYSTEM ALONG THE NEW ROADWAY. UTILITY ADJUSTMENTS CONTINUED THROUGHOUT THE COURT ORDER.

PLANNING WITH ALL AGENCIES CONTINUED FOR THE ENCLOSURE OF COUNTY ROAD 209 RAILROAD CROSSING. THE RAILROAD CROSSING CLOSURE FORECASTED TO START SEPTEMBER 9TH AND RUN FOR APPROXIMATELY EIGHT WEEKS. HER PROJECT NUMBER FIVE THE COUNTY ROAD 220 TWO TO THE FEDERAL INJUNCTION IMPOSED BY THE PERMIT DELAY THE TEAM CONTINUES TO WORK WITH THE U.S. ARMY EFFORT. PLANS REMAIN COMPLETE AND WE ARE AWAITING THE ARMY COURSE PERMANENT APPROVAL. CC AWAY AGREED TO A QUOTE FROM JACOBS, THE DESIGNER FOR THE INSTALLATION OF WATER AND SEWER . THE TEAM IS WORKING ON AN AGREEMENT ALONG WITH AN INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT FOR THAT DESIGN WORK. FOR PROJECT CANYON ROAD THE TEAM APPROVED THE FINAL PLANS AND CONTAINING A MODIFIED VERSION OF THE OPERATIONAL IMPROVEMENTS. THIS BUDGET INCLUDES A SIGNALIZED INTERSECTION AT COUNTY ROAD 315 AND AN ADDITIONAL SOUTHBOUND LEFT TURN LANE. ALL OF THIS ACTUALLY STARTED THIS PAST WEEK AND PROJECT THREE A COUNTY ROAD 209 CONTRACTOR KIRBY DEVELOPMENT FOR THE COUNTY WENT TO NINE SECTION JUST NORTH OF OAK STREAM ROAD TO SOUTH OF WATKINS ROAD TO CONTINUE WITH THEIR OPERATIONAL SAFETY IMPROVEMENTS AND SIDEWALK INSTALLATION ALONG THE EAST SIDE OF COUNTY ROAD 209. THE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT SYSTEM IS NOW COMPLETE. ASPHALT TO THE ROADWAY BEGAN ON JULY 30TH AND IS NOW COMPLETE. THIS PROJECT IS AHEAD OF SCHEDULE WITH 73% COMPLETED WITH RESPECT TO TIME AND 58% HAS BEEN PAID OUT. FOR THE SECTION THAT CONNECTS THE EASTERN AND PROJECT FOR AND RUN THROUGH THE ROUNDABOUT TO COUNTY ROAD 209B THEY CONTINUE WITH THE ACTIVITIES HELD IN THE WEEK AHEAD. CLAY ELECTRIC COMPLETED THEIR ELECTRICAL RELOCATIONS AT THE INTERSECTION OF COUNTY ROAD 209. COMCAST AND AT&T WILL BEGIN THEIR RELOCATION EFFORTS. DRAINAGE STRUCTURE SHOP DRAWINGS HAVE AN APPROVED FOR MANUFACTURE ALL. WE RECEIVED ST. JOHN'S MANAGEMENT PERMIT ON JULY 12 WHILE THE TEAM IS STILL WAITING ON THE U.S. ARMY CORPS PERMIT TO BEGIN UPON EXCAVATIONS.

PERMIT EXAM PORTIONS HAVE BEEN RELEASED FOR CONSTRUCTION.

PROJECT NUMBER FOUR CONTINUE THEIR CONSTRUCTION ACTIVITIES ALONG BOTH SIDES AND ACROSS AND RIDGE ROAD TO INCLUDE THE INSTALLATION SIDEWALK , ROAD BASE AND ASPHALT. JULY 26 THE TRAFFIC PATTERN SHIFTED TO THE OUTSIDE EAST WESTBOUND LANE , GUARDRAILS WERE INSTALLED ALONG BOTH SIDES OF THE ROADWAYS .

64% OF THE TIME USED. MOVING ONTO PROJECT 6B THE TEAM CONTINUED AGAIN THE BIMONTHLY STATUS MEETINGS CUT AND FILL OPERATIONS CONTINUED THROUGHOUT THE ROADWAY COURT OR FROM STATE READ 23 AT THE FAR WEST END OF THE PROJECT TO COUNTY FOR 315 AND MARYLAND AVENUE . INSULATION CONTINUES AT THE BRIDGE WHILE SUPERIOR CONTINUE SETTING BEAMS ON THE COMPLETED PILE CAPS AND CONTINUES TO PLACE REBAR FOR PLACING THE BRIDGE DECKS AND PEDESTRIAN RAILINGS. INSULATION CONTINUES FROM WEST TO EAST WITH STORMWATER CROSSINGS. LIMESTONE BASE, SIDEWALK , JOINT USE PATH AND CURBING. UTILITY RELOCATION CONTINUED AT THE PROJECT INTERFACE. IN SUPPORT OF ALL THIS THEY CONTINUE TO WORK ACROSS THE ENTIRE PROGRAM. THIS

CONCLUDES MY A. >> WHO'S GROUNDED WE USE FOR

THESE PHOTOGRAPHS? >> THAT WAS ADDED. IT'S

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INTERESTING. I WAS AT THE OVERPASS AT 23 WERE CROSSES AND WE WERE ABLE TO TAKE A PICTURE EAST AND THEN LOOKING WEST.

>> IT'S IMPRESSIVE . IT GOES OFF INTO THE DISTANCE A LONG WAY. IMPRESSIVE PHOTO. THANK YOU. WE HAVE A QUESTION.

>> WHAT IS THE HOLD UP ? IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S COME TO A

HALT. >> THEY ARE IN THE PROCESS. YOU SEEN THE ASPHALT AND THEY'VE GOT THE TEMPORARY STRIPING DOWN. YOU HAVE TO WAIT AT LEAST TWO WEEKS TO PUT THERMOPLASTIC OR FINAL STRIPING SO THEY HAVE TO PUT THAT FINAL STRIPING DOWN WHICH IS WHAT WILL REMAIN FOR THE DURATION. ONCE THAT GOES DOWN YOU'LL SEE ALL THE CONES PULLED UP AND SEE THE

RESTRIPING AS WELL. >> THE CONCRETE IN THE MIDDLE IS HOW THAT WILL BE LIKE THAT? NOTHING ELSE TO BE ADDED?

>> WHAT NEEDS TO BE ADDED IS THE FINAL STRIPING.

>> HE SAID TWO WEEKS? >> POST ASPHALT BEING PLACED.

PROBABLY ANOTHER WEEK AND A HALF.

>> YOU SAID IT WAS 25% STILL TO GO. WHAT ELSE IS THERE?

>> CLEANUP IF YOU LOOK AT THE SITE OF THE THREE ACRES AT THE CORNER OF OAK STREAM AND COUNTY ROAD 209 THAT NEEDS TO BE CLEANED UP WE HAVE TO PULL BACK ALL THAT IS PARALLEL TO ALL THE PROJECT AND FINAL CLEANUP AND PULL ALL THE TEMPORARY SIGNS DOWN. IT ALSO LOOKS LIKE MAYBE DOUBLE SIGNAGE, SOME OLD SIGNAGE SHOWS THERE IS AN INTERSECTION AT WATKINS THAT IS KIND OF PUSHED OVER TO THE SITE NEEDS TO BE PULLED OUT.

>> I WAS VERY GLAD TO HEAR THE SIDEWALK WAS POURED QUICKLY FOR THE KIDS . DID EVERYTHING GO FIND ?

>> GOOD AS CAN BE EXPECTED. WHAT DID MY HEART GOOD WAS DRIVING THE PROJECT A WEEK AGO OR SO. A YOUNG LADY WAS ON HER BIKE TRAVELING THE SIDEWALK SO SHE WASN'T ON 209 AGAIN. FROM IMPLEMENTATION PERSPECTIVE IT DID MY HEART GOOD TO SEE

SOMEBODY OFF THE ROAD. >> WHEN WERE COMPLETE THAT'S WHEN THEY WILL PUT THE FLASHING LIGHT TO CROSSOVER?

>> THERE IS A LOT OF ACTIVITIES DOWN AT THE PARK AREA. THEY PLACED A LOT OF SIDEWALK ON THE NORTH SIDE OF SANDRIDGE. THEY WORKED THEIR WAY FROM WEST TO EAST, NOW BACK EAST TO WEST TO GET THE CURBING AND SIDEWALK IN AND YOU WILL SEE THE OUTSIDE LANE AS YOU GO IN AND THEY WILL FINISH UP.

>> THANKS. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK

[24. Solid Waste Contract Brief (C. Latham)]

YOU. NEXT ITEM IS A SOLID WASTE CONTRACT OF EIGHT .

>> GOOD EVENING. I'M THE ASSISTANT COUNTY MANAGER . AS YOU ARE WELL AWARE WE ARE WITH INSIDE TWO MONTHS OF OUR NEW SOLID WASTE CONTRACT WITH OUR PARTNERS AT THE FCC ENVIRONMENTAL . THAT WE'VE ASKED THEM TO TALK ABOUT THE PROGRESS OF THEIR TRANSITION AND WORK WITH US TO ANSWER ANY LESSONS YOU MAY HAVE AND THEY HAVE A SHORT VIDEO TO SHOW AS WELL. I WOULD LIKE TO INTRODUCE CHARLES MARKLEY , HE WILL

INTRODUCE HIS TEAM. >> GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS CHARLES MARKLEY. I'M THE VICE BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT FOR ENVIRONMENTAL SERVICES THROUGHOUT NORTH AMERICA. WITH ME TONIGHT IS MITCH DAHLSTROM, OUR SENIOR VICE PRESIDENT FOR OPERATIONS IN FLORIDA. ALSO OUR SENIOR OPERATION IMPROVEMENT MANAGER THAT WORKS IN THE REGION FOR FLORIDA. IF I MAY , WE HAD A VERY PRODUCTIVE MEETING WITH THE COUNTY MANAGER STAFF TODAY. WE ARE VERY EXCITED ABOUT THE FUTURE, BUT I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO ADDRESS WHAT I'M SURE IS ON ALL YOUR MINDS, WHAT'S GOING ON IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY? I WOULD RATHER START WITH THAT NOW AND TELL YOU AND THEN WE CAN GO FROM THERE. WE STARTED THIS A COUPLE THURSDAYS AGO ON AUGUST 1ST AND SOME OF THE THINGS WE LEARNED AND LESSONS WERE THAT FROM THE OLDER DAYS OF PICKING UP GARBAGE RECYCLING YARD WASTE TO THE NEW IS BASED ON TECHNOLOGY AND OUR TECHNOLOGY FAILED. WHY

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DID IT FAIL? WE ARE RESEARCHING THAT NOW WITH OUR THIRD EYE AS THE NAME OF THE COMPANY UTILIZING THAT INFORMATION AND DATA AND IT DIDN'T GET ACTIVATED. ALL THE EQUIPMENT WAS IN THERE SO IT JUST DIDN'T GET ACTIVATED. WE MAKE NO EXCUSES FOR THAT, WE SHOULD HAVE BEEN PREPARED BUT WE WEREN'T. WITH THAT BEING SAID IT IS ALL ACTIVATED NOW AND WHAT THIRD EYE DOES YOUR EYES AND EARS OF EVERY TRUCK ROUTE ON EVERY PIECE OF COLLECTION. NOT ONLY CAN WE SEE IT, SO CAN THE COUNTY OFFICIALS AND STAFF. THEY ARE WATCHING THEIR STAFF AND OUR STAFF WATCHING OUR TRUCKS AND MOVEMENTS ON A DAILY MINUTE HOURLY BASIS. THAT IS NUMBER ONE. WE MOVED TO PAPERLESS WHERE A DRIVER WOULD GO OUT WITH PAPERS AND DOCUMENTS TO A ELECTRONIC TABLET. A TABLET IS SOMETHING WE UTILIZE WITHIN THE TRUCK AND THAT TABLET WOULD TELL THE DRIVER ALL THE INFORMATION THEY NEED TO KNOW. PUTTING THAT TABLET TOGETHER NO EXCUSES. THERE WAS BACK ORDERS ON SOME EQUIPMENT SO WE WEREN'T ABLE TO USE IT PROPERLY. WE CLEARLY FOUND THIS OUT BY MIDDAY ON FRIDAY. WE WORKED ALL THROUGH THE WEEKEND, SATURDAY AND SUNDAY AND WE HAVE PROGRESSIVELY GOTTEN MUCH BETTER. WE MEET WITH THE COUNTY ON A DAILY BASIS, WE GIVE THEM UP EIGHTS, THEY BECOME EXPERTS IN THIRD EYE BEING ABLE TO LOOK AND SEE WHAT OUR TRUCKS ARE AND NOW WE ARE IN THE 99TH PERCENTILE OF COLLECTION. WITH THAT I WANTED TO OFFER THAT AND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS THEN WE WILL GO INTO OUR SHORT PRESENTATION.

>> I HAVE A QUESTION . I WAS A NAVY PILOT AND WE DIDN'T GO OUT TO THE SHIP THE FIRST DAY WITHOUT A LOT OF PRACTICE. WAS ANY PRACTICE DONE IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY TO VERIFY THE

ROOTS, EQUIPMENT? >> YES. ROUGHLY 80% IN OUR OPERATIONAL TEAM CAN VERIFY THEY WERE HIRED FROM THE PREVIOUS CURRENT CONTRACTORS SO THOSE PREVIOUS CONTRACTORS WORK WITH US DURING THE WEEKENDS IN TRAINING. THEY CAME FROM BOTH OF THE TWO CONTRACTORS, THE COUNTY WAS SPLIT INTO SIDES. WE NOW HAVE ONLY ONE SECTION SO THEY DID WORK WITH US. THERE WAS TRAINING. THERE IS DIFFERENT EQUIPMENT. BELIEVE IT OR NOT, WITH NEW EQUIPMENT, AUTOMOBILES, THERE'S ALWAYS SOMETHING THAT COULD BREAK. THAT DOES HAPPEN BUT IT'S MORE OF A BREAK IN PERIOD THAN ACTUALLY BREAKING. YES. THEY TRAINED IN OUR YARD, WE HAVE OVER 5+ ACRE YARD, THEY TRAINED ON THE WEEKENDS BUT WE ALSO HAD TO BE COGNIZANT OF THE FACT OF D.O.T. FEDERAL HOURS THAT THEY WORKED. WE HAVE TO FOLLOW D.O.T. THE LONG ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION IS THERE WAS TRAINING AND WE BROUGHT OVER WHAT WE CALL HELPERS ON THE BACK OF THE TRUCK . WE BROUGHT THEM AS WELL. IS THERE A LEARNING CURVE WITH EQUIPMENT? YES. IS DIFFERENT FROM WHAT THEY HAVE BUT IT'S NOT DIFFERENT FROM THE INDUSTRY. GETTING ACCUSTOMED TO TIMING WHEN THE TRUCKS ARE LOADED, AND THEY NEED TO GO TO THE DUMPING FACILITIES, ALL OF THAT PLAYS IN. IN THE FIRST TWO DAYS WE SAW AND CORRECTED . LIKE I SAID, WE MEET DAILY AND OUR PROGRESSION IS IN THE 99TH

PERCENTILE OF COLLECTION. >> QUESTIONS?

>> WHAT IS YOUR PLAN TO NOT HAVE THAT HAPPEN?

>> YOU ALWAYS LEARN FROM YOUR LESSONS. WE BROUGHT IN THE DATA. THEY ARE ON OUR FACILITY IN THE ST. JOHN'S LOCATION NOW. THEY WILL ACTIVATE ALL OF OUR EQUIPMENT, SOME IS STILL BEING PRODUCED BUT ALSO IN OUR YARDS. WE ACTIVATE THEM. WHEN YOU ACTIVATE I CAN GO TO THE SCREEN AND I CAN SEE THAT TRUCK. I CAN SEE WHERE IT'S AT, I CAN SEE THE VIN NUMBER OF THE TRUCK TO IDENTIFY THE TRUCK. THAT WILL BE ALL UP AND RUNNING PRIOR TO WEEKS OF START DATE. WITH THE PROCESS OF GETTING NEW EQUIPMENT AND AS YOU KNOW EQUIPMENT IS STEADILY BEING BUILT ON A DAILY BASIS. AS IT COMES IN WE WILL THEN

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HAVE A PERSON ON THE REGIONAL TEAM, DOUG AND HIS TEAM AND MITCH VERIFY THE TRUCK IS ON THE THIRD EYE PORTAL SO EACH LOCATION HAS A PORTAL. IF THAT TRUCK IS WORKING IN THAT PORTAL YOU CAN SEE IT BUT THERE MAY ALSO BE TRUCKS YOU CAN SEE THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE STATE SO THAT'S WHY THEY PUT THEM IN A PORTAL . YOU AREN'T SEEING PORT SAINT LUCY. YOU'RE NOT SEEING TAMPA. YOU ARE EXCLUSIVELY SEEING THE CLAY COUNTY TRUCKS. ANYTIME WE MAY USE A TRUCK NOT ASSIGNED IN CLAY COUNTY YOU WILL SEE THAT. THAT IMMEDIATELY TELLS YOU THERE IS AN ASSIST OR SUPPORT TRUCK THAT IS HELPING. WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME IN YOUR COUNTY AND IT'S IMPORTANT TO KNOW WE WENT ON EVERY DIRT ROAD. WITH THAT WE HAVE SPECIALTY TRUCKS, FOUR WHEEL DRIVES , NON-CDL TRUCKS. THEY HAVE A PACKING UNIT ON THE BACK. WE AREN'T GOING WITH MANUAL COLLECTION.

THIS IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE PRODUCTIVITY AND THE INTEGRITY OF THE DIRT ROADS. WE KNOW THE EQUIPMENT, THE EQUIPMENT IS WELL AHEAD OF SCHEDULE AND I WILL LET THEM SPEAK TO THAT AND YOU WILL SEE THAT IN THE SLIDES IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO BE A PARTNER IN OUR MEETING TODAY THAT WAS A GREAT START. WE WILL BE ON TIME , WE HAVE OUR LOCATION . OUR FACILITY IS IN SPRINGS, WE WILL CLOSE ON THE PROPERTY AUGUST 23RD , IT IS FIVE ACRES PLUS, GREAT ACCESS TO HIGHWAY 17, VERY CLOSE TO ROSEMARY HILL. THE DRIVERS THAT WE RETAIN AND REGIONAL WILL TELL YOU IT IS ALMOST IN THE 90 PERCENTILE OF THE CURRENT HOME IT WILL BE COMING OVER. WE ARE VERY CONFIDENT THAT SOME OF THE LESSONS WE HAVE LEARNED PAINFULLY WILL NOT HAPPEN HERE.

>> MY NEXT QUESTION WOULD BE SO YOU SAID YOU'RE AT 99% IN ST.

JOHN'S COUNTY TO EQUATE THAT TO CLAY COUNTY THAT WOULD BE ABOUT 800 HOMES THAT STILL WOULD NOT BE SERVICED. MY QUESTION TO FOLD, WHEN DO YOU EXPECT THAT 1% SO YOU ARE AT 100% AND HOW LONG SHOULD WE EXPECT TO NOT BE AT 100 PERCENT ? I BELIEVE OUR RESIDENTS EXPECT US TO BE AT HUNDRED

PERCENT DAY ONE. >> THE BEST WAY TO ANSWER IS WE PLAN ON BEING 100% RIGHT OUT OF THE GATE BUT WE HAVE EYES AND EARS BACK BEFORE THIS DATA WAS AVAILABLE WE WOULD PHYSICALLY HAVE A ROUTE SUPERVISOR BEHIND EVERY PIECE . 10 TO 12 PIECES OF EQUIPMENT HER SUPERVISOR. WITH THIS DATA WE CAN WATCH IT FROM A COMPUTER SCREEN. THAT IS PART OF THE TECHNOLOGY THAT IS INVOLVED IN THIS BUSINESS AND WHEN IT GOES DOWN LIKE ANYTHING ELSE IT IS CRIPPLING. WHAT WE DID IS WE BROUGHT IN MORE RESOURCES GOING FORWARD SO THAT IF THE GOES DOWN WE HAVE THE RESOURCES TO GO ON THE STREET.

>> I HAVE QUITE A FEW QUESTIONS. A LOT MIGHT SOUND LIKE NOT VERY SMART QUESTIONS BUT WE'VE TAKEN A BEATING THIS WEEK AND I UNDERSTAND CONSTITUENTS THERE ARE WORRIED AND HAVE GREAT REASON TO BE. THIS IS GOING TO BE A BIG CHANGE NO MATTER WHAT. IT IS ROUGH. THAT IS THE REASON FOR A LOT OF QUESTIONS SO FORGIVE ME IF THEY DON'T SOUND INTELLIGENT. CAMERAS. WE HAVE CONSTITUENTS THAT ARE WORRIED YOU'LL BE WATCHING THEIR HOUSE, WATCHING THEIR FAMILIES,

CAN YOU ADDRESS THAT? >> WE HAVE 360 DEGREE VIEW.

THEY ARE ONLY FACED IN THE FRONT APPROACH OF THE DRIVEWAY.

THEY DO NOT FACE UP INTO THE HOMES, THEY ONLY SHOW WHERE THE COLLECTION WOULD BE . CAMERAS ARE NOT ON. THE DRIVER IN THE TRUCK CANNOT SEE THOSE CAMERAS. THERE IS A CAMERA ON THE DRIVER FOR SAFETY REASONS AND ALL OF OUR DRIVERS ARE AWARE OF THE FACT CAMERAS ON. OKAY. ALSO WE HAVE SOME SLIDE PRESENTATIONS.

>> HOW WOULD YOU SAY THE BENEFIT FOR THEM TO HAVE THAT CAMERA? WHAT WOULD BE A GOOD REASON?

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>> AGAIN, I MENTIONED THE THIRD EYE PROCESS CALLED POSITIVE SERVICE VERIFICATION. WE UTILIZE THAT TO MAKE SURE WE ARE SERVICING EACH CUSTOMER SO LIKE YOU SAID MAKE SURE EVERYBODY GETS A SERVICE. WE CAN SEE THAT ON THIS DATA BUT WE CAN ALSO USE IT FOR SAFETY. A BIG DEFAULT TO SAFETY BECAUSE WE GOT A 360 DEGREE LOOK . THAT IS LOOKING AT TRUCKS IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING UP THERE. THE POINT IS FOR SAFETY REASONS IF THERE IS PROPERTY DAMAGE, WHATEVER IT COULD BE WE CAN SEE IT SO WE REQUEST THE VIDEO IF WE GET THE VIDEO WITHIN MINUTES AND THEN WE UTILIZE THAT EITHER FOR A TRAINING SESSION OR IF IN FACT THERE WAS A PROBLEM WITH A MAILBOX OR SOMETHING THAT COULD'VE HAPPENED WE CAN SEE IT.

>> I WANT TO STOP THE QUESTIONS. YOU HAVE A BRIEF THAT WILL GO OVER CLAY COUNTY IMPLEMENTATION BUT I WANT TO MAKE A COMMENT THAT SECRET SERVICE HAD A GROSS FAILURE WITH THE PRESIDENTIAL ASSASSINATION ATTEMPT AND THE DIRECTOR AT THAT TIME IS NO LONGER THERE. THE DIRECTOR IN CHARGE TODAY SAID HE WAS NOT ONLY EMBARRASSED BY IT BUT ASHAMED BY THE PERFORMANCE. I DON'T WANT THAT TO HAPPEN AGAIN. GO FORWARD, WE HAVE A BRIEF ON IMPLEMENTATION , ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE I DON'T THINK ST. JOHN'S HAS THIRD EYE

IS THAT CORRECT RUSTY MARK >>

>> I STILL HAVE QUESTIONS. I STILL HAD OTHER QUESTIONS.

>> MY POINT IS THEY MAY ANSWER IN THE BRIEF THEY WILL GIVE US.

I DON'T KNOW. >> THANK YOU FOR HAVING US TODAY. MY NAME IS DOUG PHILIP OPERATIONS PER MINUTES MANAGER FOR FCC FOR THE EAST REGION OF THE COMPANY. WE TALK A LOT ABOUT THIRD EYE AND AS TRIAL TENSION SORRY. THERE WE GO. I THINK I AM A LITTLE TOO TALL HERE. YEAH. AS CHARLES MENTIONED THE THIRD EYE TECHNOLOGY IN THE TRUCKS WAS NOT ACTIVATED AND THAT WAS A FAILURE ON OUR PART. COMING FROM MY DEPARTMENT I AM ASHAMED. TOTAL HONESTY. WE RELY ON OUR VENDORS TO SUPPORT OUR OPERATIONS AND SOMETIMES THERE IS A BREAKDOWN AND THAT'S WHAT OCCURRED. WHEN THE SYSTEM IS UP AND RUNNING IT IS SOME OF THE MOST ADVANCED TECHNOLOGY TO HELP US BEHIND-THE-SCENES VERIFY SERVICE IS OCCURRING SO WHAT YOU'RE SEEING ON THE STREET HERE IF YOU LOOK AT THE TOP RIGHT THAT WILL SHOW YOU ALL OF THE VEHICLES IN A GIVEN AREA, WHERE THEIR LIFE LOCATION IS. IF THAT WERE REAL TIME YOU WOULD SEE THE TRUCKS MOVING ON THE MAP. YOU CAN ZOOM INTO STREET LEVEL TO SEE WHERE THEY ARE AT. IN THE EVENT TO VERIFY SERVICE AND ROUTING THAT LEFT PICTURE IS NOT EXACTLY THE CLEAREST PICTURE BUT YOU CAN SEE THERE'S GREEN DOTS THAT ARE SERVICES RENDERED AT THE HOMES. I WILL MOVE TO THE NEXT SLIDE. IT ACTUALLY SHOWS THE VERIFICATION PROCESS. THERE IS A CAMERA ON THE SIDE THAT WILL SHOW THE CONTAINER BEING PICKED UP AND WHAT WE ARE ABLE TO SEE ON THE POSITIVE SERVICE VERIFICATION IS ONCE WE VIEW THE EVENT AND FIND ON THE GPS WHAT ADDRESS WE ARE LOOKING FOR WE CAN CLICK ON THE EVENT AND IT'LL SHOW THE PICTURE AND WE CAN PROVIDE TO THE COUNTY. IN THE EVENT THERE IS AN ESCALATED ISSUE LIKE CHARLES SAID ANY REASON TO REVIEW THE VIDEO OF AN ACTUAL SERVICE EVENT THIS WILL ACTUALLY SLOW IT . THIS IS MY HOME IN TAMPA, FLORIDA AS AN EXAMPLE. IT MAKES IT VERY OBVIOUS IF THERE WAS ANY SERVICE INTERRUPTIONS OR ISSUES THAT PRESENTED THEMSELVES.

IT'S VERY CLEAR SERVICE OCCURRED. I JUST WANTED TO SHOW THAT. YOU ARE SWITCHING TO SOME MORE TRUCKS HERE. THIS IS WHAT AN AUTOMATED TRUCK LOOKS LIKE AN OPERATION FOR THOSE WHO

HAVEN'T SEEN IT. >> DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION? MINE WASN'T ABOUT ST. JOHN'S. IT WAS QUESTIONS PEOPLE ARE ASKING

ONLINE. >> AS CHARLES WAS SAYING WE DID

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HAVE NINE OF THESE VEHICLES CALLED INTERNATIONAL AS THE MANUFACTURER CALLED CURVED TENDERS AND 4 X 4. WE UTILIZE THEM IN A COUPLE SERVICE AREAS WITH GREAT SUCCESS ONE BEING LAKE COUNTY. LAKE COUNTY IS SECOND AND MAINTAIN ROADS AS FAR AS DIRT ROADS. WE HAVE A LOT OF SUGAR STAND AREAS. WE DID SOME DRIVE-BYS TO SCOUT THE ROUTES AND IT WAS EVIDENT WE NEEDED THE 4 X 4 VEHICLES. THIS IS AN EXAMPLE AND THAT'S TWO OF THE TRUCKS I'M NOT SURE WHAT YARD THEY ARE IN BUT THERE IN ONE FACILITY WAITING TO BE DELIVERED TO CLAY COUNTY. YEAH.

OKAY. LASTLY I WANT TO BRING THIS UP AS A POSITIVE NOTE WITH SOMETHING WE ARE DOING DIFFERENTLY WITH THE CONTRACT STARTING ON OCTOBER 1ST BEING BREAST CANCER AWARENESS MONTH WE DID DECIDE TO WRAP A VEHICLE IN A BREAST CANCER AWARENESS WRAP. THIS IS AN EXAMPLE ON A FRONT RED TRUCK BUFFER REPRESENTATION CLAY COUNTY WOULD BE THE FIRST IN FCC'S FLEET. SOMETHING WE ARE PRETTY PROUD OF AND I THINK WILL BE A NICE TOUCH WHEN IT'S ON THE ROAD. THANK YOU.

>> BY THE WAY I WASN'T SAYING MY CONSTITUENTS WERE UNINTELLIGENT. I WAS SAYING MY QUESTIONS BECAUSE THIS IS NOT RIGHT CAREER MAY SEEM NOT VERY SMART. HOW MANY COUNTIES ARE

YOU IN IN FLORIDA? >> NINE CONTRACTUAL COUNTIES.

>> HOW MANY OTHER STATES ARE YOU IN?

>> TEXAS, NORTH CAROLINA, NEBRASKA , CALIFORNIA.

MINNESOTA. >> THE MAJORITY DO THEY HAVE THE SAME GARBAGE CANS? IS THAT USUALLY ENOUGH? THAT'S ONE THING PEOPLE DEFINITELY DO NOT THINK IS THE RIGHT THING.

>> WE HEAR THAT A LOT. IT'S NOT UNCOMMON. 95 GALLON HOLDS A LOT OF TRASH. I KNOW IT DOESN'T BELIEVE IT WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT BUT A REGULAR HOUSEHOLD TRASH BAG EASILY GETS

A DOZEN OF THOSE IN THE CART. >> TO OTHER COUNTIES DASHING TO A MAJORITY TELL CONSTITUENTS THEY CAN HAVE A SECOND ONE IF THEY NEED IT RUSTY MARK WHAT IS THE NORM?

>> MOSTLY IF YOU WANT A SECOND HEART THERE'S AN ARRANGEMENT MADE IT THROUGH THE COUNTY WERE WITH THE CALLER TO EITHER RENT OR PURCHASE THEM OR A MONTHLY SERVICE FOR A SECOND CART

COLLECTION. >> YOU HAVE ANY IDEA HOW MANY

NEED THAT? >> IT'S USUALLY A ONE

PERCENTILE BEING COLLECTED. >> DON'T QUOTE ME. I BELIEVE IT'S $4.34 . THE SECOND CART I DON'T WANT TO MISSTEP I WILL

GIVE YOU THAT NUMBER. >> THE TABLETS IS THAT SOMETHING YOU'VE USED IN ALL THE OTHER COUNTIES? THE

MAJORITY ARE AUTOMATED ? >> IT JUST DEPENDS ON THE TYPE OF SERVICE AND WHAT WE ARE PROVIDING BUT AS A COMPANY WE ARE MOVING TOWARDS THE TABLETS.

>> ALL TOWARDS AUTOMATED OR YOU ALREADY ARE?

>> MANUAL AND AUTOMATED. WE CAN DO WHATEVER THE MUNICIPALITY

WANTS. >> OKAY. WHAT WOULD BE THE NEGATIVE AND NOT MOVING TO AUTOMATED BESIDES EFFICIENCY ? OUR CONSTITUENTS DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE ARE MOVING.

>> I DON'T HAVE A LOT OF NEGATIVES WITH AUTOMATION. IT IS VERY GOOD, CLEAN, SAFE. THERE IS A CHANCE OF A CAR TIPPING OVER BECAUSE IT IS AUTOMATED IT HAPPENED. I WON'T LIE. IT'S THE MOST EFFICIENT WAY TO COLLECT.

>> IS IT DIFFICULT TO HAVE YOUR GARBAGE CAN LINED UP FOR THE

TRUCK TO PICK IT UP? >> IT'S A LEARNING PROCESS.

>> LET ME SEE IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE. I THINK THAT WAS

IT. APPRECIATE IT. >> ON THE THIRD I A LOT OF MY

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CONSTITUENTS WERE CONCERNED ABOUT PRIVACY. WHAT HAPPENS WITH THE VIDEO CLIP OR PHOTO THAT YOU TAKE , WHERE IS IT STORED, WHO CAN VIEW IT, THAT KIND OF THING.

>> IT IS ON A CONSTANT ROLE SO IT CLEARS ITSELF AFTER X AMOUNT OF DAYS AND STARTS BACK OVER. IF WE NEED SOMETHING TO REQUEST ITS ARCHIVE IN THE CLOUD THE THIRD-PARTY COMPANY THAT WE PARTNER WITH KEEPS IT IN THEIR CLOUD. WE HAVE NO ACCESS. IT'S KIND OF LIKE A CREDIT CARD WHERE YOU GET A CREDIT CARD AUTOMATIC PAY IN A SECURE LOCATION. IT CONTINUOUSLY

UPDATES . TWO WEEKS. >> YOU ANSWERED MY SECOND QUESTION ABOUT THE TRUCKS FOR THE DIRT ROAD. LAKE COUNTY USES THOSE . HOW DOES THAT PROCESS WORKED? WILL YOU SEND THOSE TRUCKS BECAUSE I HAVE DIRT ROADS IN MIDDLEBURG AND CLAY HILL ALSO BUT ARE THEY DIFFERENT? WILL THERE BE DIFFERENT ROUTES YOU USE THOSE AND THEN HE WILL SEND A REGULAR SIDE LOADER FOR THE PAVED ROAD ?

>> WE DO SPECIALIZE ROUTING AND USE LESSER HOMES ON THOSE ROUTES BECAUSE IT IS MORE SCATTERED THAN DENSITY. THAT PARTICULAR TRUCK MAY COVER A COUPLE ASL ROUTES ON THE STREETS. WE PULL THE DIFFICULT STREETS OFF AND THEY GO IN AND

SERVICE THOSE. >> YOUR SHEET WE DISTRIBUTED WITH THE CAN SAID TO PLACE THE CAN THREE FEET FROM THE CURB AND THE MAJORITY OF MY DISTRICT DOESN'T HAVE CURBS. WHERE DO

THEY PUT THEIR TRASH? >> AT THE EDGE WHERE WE CAN GET IT AND IT DOESN'T BLOCK THE DRIVEWAY.

>> OKAY. THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT THE EXTRA BAG.

THE FEE IS FOUR DOLLARS FOR AN EXTRA BAG IF OUTSIDE OF THE 95 GALLON CAN . IS THAT ONE KITCHEN TRASH BAG?

>> I THINK INTENT IS TO NOT GO OUT AND MEASURE THE BAG. WE WILL TAKE IT. AS LONG AS IT'S NOT TOO HEAVY.

>> I THOUGHT IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE 40 GALLONS.

>> IT COULD SAY 40 GALLONS -- 40 POUNDS. WE AREN'T GOING OUT WITH A RULER . IF WE CAN LIFT IT AND GRAB IT WILL PUT IT IN

THE CART AND TAKE IT. >> THAT'S IMPORTANT. FOUR DOLLARS PER BAG IF I HAVE THREE EXTRA BAGS IT'S $12. THANK

YOU. THOSE WERE MY QUESTIONS. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? DO THEY PLACE A BACK ON TOP OF THE CART? BESIDE?

>> I WOULD'VE PUT IT ON TOP. >> THAT'S DANGEROUS.

>> NO OTHER QUESTIONS. MY UNDERSTANDING IS YOU CURRENTLY HAVE NO ASL TRUCKS FOR CLAY COUNTY THEY HAVEN'T BEEN

DELIVERED. >> WE HAVE SOME DELIVERED BUT THEY AREN'T IN LOCATION. THEY ARE IN THE STATE.

>> MY CONCERN IS THE TIMELINE TO GET ANY VEHICLE IS ELONGATED. YOU ALL HAVE A CONTINGENCY PLAN JUST IN CASE I THINK WE HAVE 19 TRUCKS IF WE ONLY GET 12.

>> WE DO HAVE A CONTINGENCY PLAN. WE DO. YES.

>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? >> A COUPLE POINTS OF CLARIFICATION. ONE WOULD BE THE STICKER. DEPENDING ON WHERE IT'S SOLD THEY WILL DO A SERVICE CHARGE TO THAT STICKER.

IT VARIES. IT'S APPROXIMATELY BETWEEN FOUR AND FIVE DOLLARS.

I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IS OUT THERE. SECOND THING IS WE ARE BRINGING TO THE BOARD THAT SECOND, THIRD OR FOURTH HAND IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO HAVE YOUR HOME TO ADDRESS WHAT DOESN'T

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FIT IN THE 95 GALLON ON A REGULAR BASIS. WE WILL BRING THAT TO THE BOARD AT THE NEXT MEETING TO FINALIZE THAT PORTION. CONTRACT IS FOR 10 YEARS SO YOU WOULD BE LEASING AN ADDITIONAL CAN. THERE IS AN COST AND A PER MONTHLY COST THAT YOU WILL BE PRORATED THE FIRST YEAR AS YOU BEGIN. IT WILL BE DEPENDENT ON WHICH MONTH YOU OBTAIN IT OR NEED GOING FORWARD AND WILL BE ON YOUR TAX BILL FORWARD OVER THE NEXT NINE . WE WILL BRIEF THAT TO THE BOARD DETAIL AT THE NEXT

MEETING. >> COULD YOU GET OUT OF IT? IF SOMEONE HAS A LARGER FAMILY AND NEEDS THE SECOND CAN? OR ARE

YOU STUCK ? >> WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT.

IT'S IN THE CONTRACT AND I THOUGHT IT WAS MAY. I CAN'T REMEMBER OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. YOU HAVE TO MAKE THAT NOTIFICATION BY A CERTAIN MONTH BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY YES YOU CAN GET OUT OF IT. IF YOU BOUGHT IT YOU FOUGHT IT FOR A YEAR IS WHAT IT IS. YOU CAN NOTIFY THE MONTH OF MAY AND SAY I NO LONGER NEED THIS CAN AND THEN WE WILL COME GET IT PICKED UP AND THAT DOLLAR AMOUNT WOULD BE REMOVED FROM THE FOLLOWING YEAR. DID I EXPLAIN THAT CORRECTLY? THANK YOU. THOSE ARE THE AREAS WE ARE FINALIZING THINGS. I WAS GOING TO TALK IN MY COMMENTS BUT THIS IS A GOOD POINT. THERE IS A SMALLER CAN.

WE HAVE AT LEAST AGES 90 OR ABOVE WHEN WE HAVE GONE OUT AND GONE TO SEE WHO WANTS A SMALLER CAN. THEY'RE TALKING TO THE TEAM ABOUT ACCOMMODATING THAT SOONER THAN LATER BECAUSE WE ASKED FOR THE FIRST 30 DAYS BUT I WILL COME BACK TO THE BOARD, THE TEAM WILL LET YOU KNOW WHAT WE WILL DO FOR THAT SMALLER CAN FOR THE ELDERLY OUT THERE. THEY ARE WORRIED OF HOW BIG THE CAN IS. WE HAVE A CONCIERGE SERVICE LIKE WE TALKED ABOUT AND THAT'S WHAT -- MOST IMPORTANTLY THE 64, 65 GALLON ?

>> THEY DO BOTH. >> 65. THEY ARE AT THE TAIL END OF THIS DELIVERY SO THEY DON'T HAVE THE 65 RIGHT NOW BUT THEY WILL BE AVAILABLE TO GET THE SMALLER CAN. THERE IS AN OPTION FOR YOU TO GET THAT SECOND CAN THAT CAN EITHER BE 95 GALLONS OR 65. THAT OPTION WILL BE BASED UPON WHAT YOU FEEL AS A CONSUMER AND WHAT YOU WOULD NEED . I THINK THE FINAL THING I WOULD LIKE TO SAY IS WE HAD A GOOD MEETING. IT'S ALL ABOUT SUCCESS. CHAIRMAN, BEING IN THE NAVY IT IS PRACTICE, IT'S TRAINING, IT'S GOING OUT AND DRIVING NOT ONLY SAFETY BUT EXECUTION OF THIS AND BEING PROFICIENT . I THINK SOMETHINGS THEY MENTIONED IS THEY ARE HIRING TEAM MEMBERS TOMORROW, A LARGE NUMBER. THEY ARE EXPERIENCED, LOCAL, SO THIS WILL HAVE A JOB WITH THEM. THEY ALSO DIDN'T TALK ABOUT THEIR FOOT RENT HERE IN CLAY COUNTY. THEY PURCHASED A PARCEL SOUTH OF GREEN COVE SPRINGS SO THEY WILL BE HERE LOCAL AND WHERE THEY KEEP THEIR TRUCKS. I THINK THAT IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT ALSO IN THEIR COMPANY. THOSE ARE SOME HIGHLIGHTS AND I'VE HEARD QUESTIONS AND THINGS OUT THERE BUT WE ARE MOVING FORWARD, I WILL GET A TOUR COMING UP WITH THE TEAM. YOU ALL GOT A COPY OF THIS , THE TRANSITION PLAN. THIS WASN'T THEY AWARDED A CONTRACT AND EXECUTED IT . THEY'VE BEEN IN CONSTANT CONTACT TO GO OVER THE TRANSITION PLAN AND INITIATE THAT. IT IS IMPORTANT TO KNOW THERE WAS ALSO A PLAN LIKELY WOULD HAVE DONE IN THE MILITARY OF MOVING FORWARD AND HITTING OCTOBER 1ST COMING OUT OF THE GATE STRONG.

>> ANYBODY ELSE FOR FCC? >> I APOLOGIZE TO THE BOARD AND

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THE 5:00 PEOPLE BECAUSE WE ARE WAY PAST. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

LOOKING FORWARD TO SUCCESSFUL IMPLEMENTATION. WE ARE AT 5:00

[31. First Supplement to the Local Agency Program Agreement re: Construction and CEI of the widening of CR 220 from CR 209 (Henley Road to CR 220B (Knight Boxx Road), with the State of Florida Department of Transportation (R. Smith)]

CERTAIN. WE HAVE TO MOVE ITEM NUMBER 31 TO THE HEAD OF THE LINE. 31 IS THE AGREEMENT WITH THE STATE TO PROVIDE FUNDING WHICH IS REQUIRED FOR CONTRACT NEGOTIATIONS AND BUDGETARY

REASONS. ITEM NUMBER 31. >> SENIOR PURCHASING OFFICER FOR THE COUNTY. F D.O.T. HAD PREVIOUSLY AGREED TO A FUNDING AGREEMENT TO PROVIDE FOR CONSTRUCTION SERVICES FOR THE WIDENING OF COUNTY ROAD 220 THAT WOULD WIDEN HANLEY ROAD TO KNIGHT BOXX ROAD. THIS IS THE SUPPLEMENTAL AGREEMENT TO THAT AGREEMENT TO GIVE AN ADDITIONAL 3 1/2 MILLION DOLLARS. WE ARE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.

>> ANY QUESTIONS? IF NOT I TAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE ACCEPTANCE FROM THE STATE. MOTION AND SECOND. ANY COMMENTS, QUESTIONS? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. PASSES

[26. Public Hearing on Ordinance and Resolution to Amend the Capital Improvement Plan and Other Budget Adjustments (R.Kantor)]

UNANIMOUSLY. THANK YOU. WE'RE ONTO ITEM NUMBER 26, PUBLIC HEARING ON ORDINANCE AND RESOLUTION TO AMEND THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN AND OTHER BUDGET ADJUSTMENTS.

>> A BIG ONE.

>> THIS ITEM IS EXCITING AND IT PLACES FULL PLEDGING OF FIVE STATIONS, RADIO TOWER, FULL FUNDS TO THE BONDED ROAD PROJECTS THROUGH 24-25 AND FULLY FUND THREE PROJECTS WHICH MAKE UP THE COUNTER ROAD THROUGH COMPLETION. IT SETS UP THE PUBLIC SAFETY BOND PROJECT RECOGNIZING REVENUE AND FUND TRANSFER FOR SERVICE AND OF ITS ROAD BUDGETS FOR WTI LATEST ESTIMATES , ESTABLISHING A NEW CAPITAL PROJECTS MANAGEMENT COST CENTER AND OF ITS IMPACT FEE FUNDS, BUDGETS TO ALIGN .

THE CIP ALLIANCE 2324 BUDGETS WITH AND OF YOUR ESTIMATES FOR BOTH REVENUE AND EXPENSE AND THAT'S IT. ALSO THE OPERATING BUDGET CHANGES AS WELL. SO YOU HAVE ITEMS A AND B . THE BONDED ROAD PROJECTS ARE THE REASONS FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING.

>> ANY QUESTIONS ? WE HAVE TO DO THESE INDIVIDUALLY. SORRY.

GOING TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING ITEM NUMBER 26, A BUDGET AMENDMENT AND CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT. I DON'T HAVE ANY CARDS ON THIS ITEM. SEE NONE I'M GOING TO CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING. THANK YOU. BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMISSION. A MOTION AND SECOND TO APPROVE INDIVIDUALLY A AND B OR BOTH? OKAY. THIS IS THE ORDINANCE AMENDING THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT ELEMENT CLAY COUNTY CAPITAL BUDGET. ANY COMMENTS, QUESTIONS? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. ITEM NUMBER BE HIS RESOLUTION AMENDING THE CIE PORTION OF CLAY COUNTY BUDGET.

>> MOVE APPROVAL. >> MOTION AND SECOND TO APPROVE THE RESOLUTION . ANY COMMENTS, QUESTIONS, CONCERNS. ALL IN

[27. Bid No. 23/24-042, CR 220 Widening Phase 1 (K. Smith)]

FAVOR SAY AYE. ITEM NUMBER 27 IS THE BID FOR WIDENING PHASE ONE. I'M SORRY. THANK YOU. ITEM C IS APPROVAL A BUDGET RESOLUTION AMENDING THE FY 23-24 BUDGET. MOTION AND SECOND. COMMENTS QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. ITEM 27 IS THE ACTUAL WIDENING PHASE

ONE. >> MOVE APPROVAL.

>> ARE YOU ANXIOUS? >> IT'S BEEN A LONG WAY TO GET

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TO 20 DONE. I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO GETTING THAT BEFORE SOMEBODY DECIDES TO GRAB IT. I SPENT 20 MINUTES IN COSTCO

DISCUSSING THIS PROJECT. >> BETTER THAN 20 MINUTES

SITTING ON 220. >> THAT'S WHAT HE WAS TALKING

ABOUT. >> SENIOR PURCHASING OFFICER FOR THE COUNTY. THIS IS THE APPROVAL TO POST THE NOTICE FOR THE COUNTY ROAD 220 WIDENING PHASE TO THE LOWEST BIDDER KIRBY DEVELOPMENT. THIS WILL WIDEN COUNTY ROAD T 20 TWO CHIEF RIDEOUT TRAIL AND INCLUDES INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENT AT HENLEY ROAD. THERE WERE THREE BEDS RECEIVED AND SIX CONTRACTORS ATTENDED .

>> ANY QUESTIONS? WE ALREADY HAVE A MOTION. I THINK THAT WAS

AN OFFICIAL MOTION. >> STILL STANDS.

>> ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? AS I EXPLAINED TO THIS GENTLEMAN IT IS FEDERAL, STATE , LOCAL FUNDS. IT PERMITS AND BRIDGES AND PROPERTY AND IT IS THE WHOLE ENCHILADA WRAPPED INTO ONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY .

[28. RFQ No. 23/24-009, Construction Engineering and Inspection Services for CR 220 Widening Phase I (K. Smith)]

ITEM 28 IS RFQ CONSTRUCTION ENGINEERING AND INSPECTION SERVICES FOR THE 220 WIDENING PHASE ONE.

>> THIS IS FOR APPROVAL TO ACCEPT RANKING AND SELECTION FOR THE ENGINEERING SERVICES FOR THE WIDENING PHASE ONE. GA I CONSULTANTS WAS THE TOP RANK. WE HAD STAFF MEMBERS PERFORM THE EVALUATION AND CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.

>> ANYONE HAVE QUESTIONS? WE DON'T NEED A PUBLIC HEARING.

>> MOTION AND SECOND TO APPROVE CONSULTANTS FOR THIS CEI SERVICES. ANY COMMENTS, QUESTIONS? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR

[29. Bid No. 23/24-029, CR 220 Widening Phase 2 (K. Smith)]

SAY AYE. >> COUNTY ROAD 220 WIDENING

PHASE TWO. >> THIS IS AN APPROVAL TO POST INCENTIVE FOR COUNTY ROAD T 20 WIDENING PHASE TWO TO REEVES CONSTRUCTION COMPANY. THIS WILL WIDEN TO 20 FROM EAST OF HENLEY ROAD TO THE WEST OF KNIGHT BOXX ROAD AND DOES INCLUDE THE BRIDGE REPLACEMENT. THE FORBIDS WE RECEIVED, ONE NO-BID AND SIX

CONTRACTORS ATTENDED. >> QUESTIONS ? TAKE A MOTION?

>> MOVE APPROVAL. >> I WAS JUST GOING TO BRING THAT UP. WIDENING FROM KNIGHT BOXX AND BUILDING A NEW BRIDGE AND EXTENDING THROUGH THE INTERSECTION IS $32 MILLION.

NOT ALL OF IT IS COMING FROM OUR BUDGET. CHAIRMAN INDICATED THERE'S OTHER SOURCES FOR THAT FUNDING WHICH YOU WANT TO GO OUT AND SPEND AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE AND GET THAT DONE.

IT'S NOT GOING TO BE PRETTY AS WE GET THAT DONE BUT IT IS LONG OVERDUE AND WELL WORTH IT KNOWING WHAT WE GET TO WHEN

IT'S FINALLY DONE. >> THAT'S A LOT OF WORK. A LOT OF TIME, A LOT OF EFFORT. ANY OTHER COMMENTS, QUESTIONS? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. 30. RFQ 2320 4053 CONSTRUCTION ENGINEERING

[30. RFQ No. 23/24-053, Construction Engineering and Inspection Services for CR 220 Widening Phase 2 (K. Smith)]

SERVICES FOR 220 WIDENING PHASE TWO.

>> APPROVAL TO ACCEPT STAFFS RANKING AND SELECTION OF THE TOP RANK FIRM FOR THE CONSTRUCTION ENGINEERING AND INSPECTION SERVICES FOR COUNTY ROAD T 20 WIDENING PHASE TWO.

GA I CONSULTANTS WAS THE TOP FIRM AND THIS ONE AS WE STATED PREVIOUSLY WILL IMPROVE COUNTY ROAD T 20 FROM KNIGHT BOXX TO EAST OF HENLEY ROAD AND INCLUDE THE BRIDGE.

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>> ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? TAKING MOTION.

>> MOVE APPROVAL. >> MOTION AND SECOND TO APPROVE FOR 220 WIDENING FOR 20 -- ANY COMMENTS, QUESTIONS? HEARING NONE, ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. FINAL

[32. Final Public Hearing to consider adoption of COMP 24-0008 and ZON 24-0013. (District 5, Comm. Burke) (D. Selig)]

PUBLIC HEARING ITEM NUMBER 32. FINAL PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER ADOPTION OF COMP 24 0008 AND ZONING 24-001 THREE.

>> WE DID 31. WE DID IT BEFORE 26. BEFORE WE GET INTO REZONING DO WE HAVE TO HAVE EVERYBODY TAKE THE OATH?

>> THE APPLICANT HAS SENT A WRITTEN REQUEST SO WE DON'T HAVE THE APPLICANT PRESENT. IF THERE IS ANY PUBLIC WE CAN DO

IT AT THAT TIME. >> THANK YOU.

>> THE APPLICANT REQUESTED TO CONTINUE THE NEXT MEETING.

>> THIS IS A WRITTEN REQUEST ON BEHALF OF OF HOLSTEIN COMMERCIAL LLC BECAUSE THERE ARE CONTINUING NEGOTIATIONS WITH THE ACCESS ROAD THEY HAVE REQUESTED THAT THE MATTER BE CONTINUED TO THE AUGUST 27 MEETING.

>> THE PUBLIC HEARING -- IT WAS A SCHEDULED PUBLIC HEARING SO IF THERE IS SOMEONE WHO WANTS TO SPEAK ON THIS WE HAVE TO SWEAR THEM AND. I'M GOING TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS PLAN ZONING CHANGE ALTHOUGH WE ARE NOT -- WE DELAYED THE

DECISION UNTIL THE -- >> YOU WILL HAVE TO MAKE A

MOTION. >> ANYONE WANT TO SPEAK TO ITEM NUMBER 32 ? IF YOU DO YOU WILL HAVE TO GET SWORN IN . WE CAN DO THAT. SEEING NONE I'M GOING TO CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING AND BRING BACK TO COMMISSION THE ITEM ON THE FLOOR IS TO CONTINUE THIS TO THE AUGUST 27TH COMMISSION MEETING.

>> THIS HAS BEEN CONTINUED A COUPLE TIMES. RATHER THAN POSTPONING FOR TWO WEEKS IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S BEEN TWO WEEKS. I WOULD PREFER TO SEE IT NOT COME BACK UNTIL THE END OF NEXT MONTH WHERE MAYBE MIDDLE OF THE MONTH OF SEPTEMBER AT THAT FIRST MEETING BECAUSE IT GIVES TIME TO BE ABLE TO WORK ON IT. IT SEEMS LIKE EVERY TWO WEEKS WE EITHER DON'T HAVE AN AGREEMENT. IT JUST GIVES EXTRA TIME . IT SEEMS WASTEFUL TO PUT IT ON AND KEEP GETTING A CONTINUANCE.

>> I ALWAYS FELT WE WERE CLOSE TO THE FINISH LINE BUT EVERY

TWO WEEKS WE ARE CLOSER. >> TO ADVISE MOVING A COUPLE

MEETINGS DOWN THE ROAD? >> THAT GIVES THE OPPORTUNITY -- THERE WILL BE A WRITTEN AGREEMENT SO THAT DOES ALLOW

THE OPPORTUNITY . >> WHAT DATE CAN WE MOVE IT TO?

>> SEPTEMBER 10TH . >> I MAKE A MOTION TO CONTINUE

TO DECIDE ON THE 10TH. >> MOVE IT TO SEPTEMBER 10TH BOARD MEETING. ANY OTHER COMMENTS, QUESTIONS, CONCERNS? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.

>> AT THIS TIME WE AREN'T QUITE AT 6:00 . THE NEXT THREE ITEMS REALLY RUN TOGETHER. I'M NOT SURE HOW LONG THE PRESENTATION IS. WE COULD DO 34, 35 AND 36 TOGETHER.

[34. Public Hearing on Petition to Vacate a Portion of Long Branch City Plat (R. Smith/C. Grimm)]

[35. Public Hearing on Petition to Vacate a Portion of Florida Farms and Industries Company's Property Plats (R. Smith/C. Grimm)]

[36. Deeds of Dedication Right-of-Way for (1) Paso Fino Road and (2) Little Dairy Road and (3) Deed of Dedication to County and Release of Lands by County for Saunders Road (C. Grimm)]

>> WE HAVE TIME TO DO THEM? 34, 35, 36 OUR PETITION TO VACATE PORTIONS OF OLD PLATS THAT GO BACK TO THE 1890S OR 1920S OR

SOMETHING LIKE THAT. >> THE APPLICANT IS PRESENT AND

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HAS US A SHORT PRESENTATION. >> GOOD AFTERNOON. SUSAN FRAZIER , 3517 PARK STREET IN JACKSONVILLE. I'M HERE REPRESENTING THE PETITIONERS. WE ARE HERE TO CONSIDER VACATING PLATS THAT WERE ABOUT 100 YEARS OLD AND WE WILL TAKE EACH OF THESE INDIVIDUALLY TO GET ACTION ON BOTH. I THINK YOU HAVE RESOLUTIONS THAT ACCOMPANY EACH OF THESE. THE FIRST ITEM TONIGHT IS TO CONSIDER VACATING A PORTION OF LONG BRANCH CITY PLAT. LONG BRANCH CITY IS A PLAT REPORTED MORE THAN 100 YEARS AGO NOW AND IT WAS RECORDED PRIOR TO THE TOWN OF PENNEY FARMS. IT WAS ABOUT 467 ACRES WITHIN THE TOWN LIMITS THIS PETITION IS SOLELY THE PORTION OF LONG BRANCH CITY OCCURS OUTSIDE THE TOWN AND UNINCORPORATED CLAY COUNTY.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AN ACTION YOU WILL BE ASKED TO CONSIDER.

BEFORE WE TALK ABOUT THE PLAT SPECIFICALLY LET ME TALK ABOUT WHAT A PLAT WAS BACK IN 1922 VERSUS WHAT A PLAT IS TODAY.

WHEN YOU SEE A PLAT FOR SUBDIVISION A DEVELOPER HAS LAID IT OUT. THEY BUILD ROADS, PUT IN WATER AND SEWER AND PUT MONUMENTS ON ALL OF THOSE LOTS AND IT COMES TO YOU AND IT IS ALL DONE AND INSPECTED BY THE COUNTY AND YOU APPROVE A PLAT.

A LOT OF INFRASTRUCTURE IN TIME AND MONEY HAS GONE INTO GETTING IT TO THAT ACTION. BACK IN THE 1920S AS THE LAWS WERE REALLY SHORT OF DRAWING ON A NAPKIN AND HAVING IT SIGNED WAS A DRAWING THAT REPRESENTED WHAT THAT LAND OWNER THOUGHT OR PROPERTY COULD BE. THERE WAS NO SURVEY THERE WAS NO MONUMENT TATIAN OF LOTS. IT WAS A TOTALLY DIFFERENT WORLD. THE ITEMS YOU'RE CONSIDERING ARE OF THAT ERA OF PLAT LEVEL EFFORT. THEY ARE NOT QUITE WHAT YOU'RE USED TO SEEING IN 2024.

THE PETITION FOR LONG BRANCH CITY AFFECTS THE LANDS OUTLINED IN DARK BLACK. THERE OUTSIDE THE TOWN BECAUSE THE PLAT WAS RECORDED PRIOR TO THE TOWNSEND CORPORATION THE STATE OF FLORIDA WHEN IT DEFINED THE EDGE OF THE TOWN TO CAPTURE ALL OF THE PLAT. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS THE VAST MAJORITY LIES WITHIN THE TOWN AND THIS BALANCE HANGS OUTSIDE THE TOWN TO THE SOUTH. THERE ARE ROADS PLATTED. LONG BRANCH CITY DEDICATED THE ROADS TO THE PUBLIC AND NEXT THOSE ROADS HAVE NEVER BEEN OPEN. THERE'S ABOUT 25 ACRES OF LAND BUT THEY HAVE NEVER BEEN OPENED AND USED BY THE PUBLIC. THEY ARE JUST OLD ROADS AGAIN ON A DRAWING SOMEONE DREW IN 1922. IN FOLLOWING ROADS WHEN YOU VACATE A PLAT . YOU HEAR PETITIONS AND THOSE ARE INDEPENDENT OF THE WHOLE PLAT BEING CONSIDERATE.

THESE ARE THE SEGMENTS OF THESE ROADS IN THE LEGAL DESCRIPTION THAT ARE ON THE PLAT , NAMED ON THE PLAT BUT DO NOT EXIST IF YOU WENT OUT TO THE PROPERTY YOU WOULD NOT SEE A CLEARING OR ANY ROADS. THESE ARE THE FOUR ROADS WE VACATED SHOULD YOU APPROVE TO VACATE THE PLAT , THE PORTION WE ARE SEEKING TO CONSIDER TONIGHT. IF THE CHAIRMAN WOULD LIKE I CAN STOP AND YOU CAN CONSIDER THIS PARTICULAR APPLICATION OR I CAN CONTINUE THROUGH AND CIRCLE BACK.

>> WE WILL HAVE TO PASS THESE INDIVIDUALLY CORRECT? DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR JANICE?

>> NO. I WOULD COMPLIMENT HER ON HER CHOICE OF FONT FOR THE HEADINGS ON EACH SLIDE. VERY NICE.

>> YOUR ACTION TONIGHT WILL SOLELY SERVE TO ERASE THE LINES ON A PIECE OF PAPER. IT DOESN'T CHANGE ANY LEGAL DESCRIPTION, WHO LIES ADJACENT, IT DOESN'T CHANGE ANY OF THOSE ITEMS. IT TAKES A PIECE OF PAPER AND IN THE PUBLIC RECORD SHOULD YOU CHOOSE TO VACATE THERE IS ANOTHER ADVERTISEMENT

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THAT GOES WITHIN 30 DAYS OF YOUR ACTION TONIGHT THAT PETITIONERS WILL PLACE AND HAS BEEN IN THE PAPER ABOUT SIX TIMES NOW. THIS IS REALLY ABOUT TITLE WORK SO WHEN YOU GO TO BUY LAND THERE SOLELY FOR THE PURPOSE SO INSTEAD OF GETTING LEGAL DESCRIPTION YOU GET BLOCK SEVEN AND BLOCK FIVE OF A SUBDIVISION AND THAT'S HOW SHORT AND SWEET IT IS. THE MONUMENTS ARE SET WHEN THE PLAT IS DONE. WHAT THIS DOES IS SHOULD YOU APPROVE THIS TONIGHT THAT PUBLIC RECORD WOULD

BROADLY SAY VACATED . >> IF WE DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS WE WILL OPEN PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS. SORRY ABOUT THAT. WE WILL OPEN PUBLIC HEARING. PUBLIC HEARING IS

OPEN. SORRY. >> I AM JANICE . I AM HERE REPRESENTING THE TOWN OF PENNEY FARMS . THE TOWN MANAGER IS ALSO HERE. WE HAVE HAD NUMEROUS MEETINGS WITH THE APPLICANT, WITH THE COUNTY AND WE APPRECIATE ALL THEIR TIME. ON THIS ONE WE DON'T HAVE ANY OBJECTIONS BECAUSE AS HAS BEEN SAID WAS WITHIN THE TOWN LIMITS AND SO THEY HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE TOWN COUNCIL . WE APPRECIATE IT.

>> ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ISSUE? CLOSING PUBLIC

HEARING. >> I MAKE A MOTION FOR THE PETITION TO VACATE LONG BRANCH CITY PLAT.

>> SECOND. >> ANY COMMENTS, QUESTIONS? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. PASSES 5-0. NUMBER 35 IS PUBLIC HEARING ON PETITION TO VACATE A PORTION OF FLORIDA FARMS AND

INDUSTRY COMPANY PROPERTY. >> THESE WERE ALL THE SAME DEDICATE HER BACK IN THE 1920S . THEY WERE THE LDC DEDICATE HER OF THIS PLAT . THE FFI PLAT IS SOME 9000 ACRES IN THE AREA . BACK IN THE EARLY 1920S THE FLORIDA FARMS AND INDUSTRY COMPANY DECIDED PERHAPS THEIR LAND WOULD BE DIVIDED INTO 20 ACRE LOTS. SOME 4000, 5000 NORTH OF 16 AND SOUTH OF STATE ROAD 16. HUNDRED YEARS LATER MOST OF THAT REMAINS UNDEVELOPED. EVERYTHING NORTH LIES WITHIN THE MASTER PLAN SO IT HAS A SPECIFIC INTENT THE COUNTY HAS SET FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT AND IT REALLY IS NOT 20 ACRE LOTS. THE GOAL IS TO VACATE THIS PLAT. THAT DOES IS IT RETURNS SO WHEN SOMEONE DIVIDES IT AGAIN IN THE FUTURE THEY AREN'T REPLANTING A PLAT FROM THE 1920S AND TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT HEART OF THAT ALL THE PLAT THEY ARE CHANGING. THIS IS FRAUGHT FOR ERROR, EVERYBODY GOING FORWARD OF MAKING THE WRONG REFERENCE TO THE INTENTION IS TO PUT THIS BACK TO ANCHORAGE AS YOU DID WITH YOUR ACTION. THIS IS THREE ORIGINAL PLATS IN 1922. THERE WAS A PLAT EVERY MONTH BY THE DATES YOU SEE. SOMEBODY TOOK OUT A DRAWING ON AN ALMOST MONTHLY BASIS . THREE ORIGINAL PLATS AND FIVE RE-PLATS ARE WHAT IS CONSIDERED THIS EVENING. THAT'S THE LAST ONE. THIS IS JUST A BIGGER VERSION OF THE ONE YOU JUST CONSIDERED. IT COVERS 7267 ACRES . PORTIONS HAVE BEEN REPLANTED SO WITHIN THIS PARTICULAR AREA YOU JUST RECENTLY PLATTED THE RIGHT-OF-WAY , COUNTY ROAD 218 LIES WITHIN THIS AREA AND THAT'S THE AREA THEY ARE

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TALKING ABOUT DOWN TO 16 TO ABOUT GREENS CREEK.

>> DO YOU HAVEA MAP OF THAT? >> I THINK IN YOUR PACKET.

EVERYTHING NORTH AND SOUTH IN GREEN IS WHAT YOU ARE TO

CONSIDER . >> ANY QUESTIONS? IF NOT WE WILL OPEN PUBLIC HEARING. DO YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO THIS ONE?

>> WE DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM .

>> ANYONE ELSE WISH TO SPEAK ON THIS? I WILL BRING IT BACK TO

COMMISSION. >> MOVE APPROVAL.

>> MOTION AND SECOND TO APPROVE VACATION OF THE FLORIDA FARMS INDUSTRIES. ANY COMMENT, QUESTIONS, CONCERNS? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. ITEM NUMBER 36 IS DEEDS OF DEDICATION FOR LITTLE DAIRY ROAD AND DEED OF DEDICATION TO THE COUNTY AND RELEASE OF LANDS BY COUNTY FOR

SAUNDERS ROAD. >> WHEN WE FIRST APPROACHED THE COUNTY OF INDICATING THE LONG BRANCH CITY YOU JUST ACTED ON THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT IT IS AWARE THE COUNTY HAD ROAD MAINTENANCE MAINTAINING PASO FINO ROAD . AS YOU KNOW IN THE STATUTE TO GAIN RIGHTS TO THE OWNERSHIP WHEN YOU MAINTAIN ROADS FOR CERTAIN PERIOD OF TIME. THESE WERE IN FAR EXCESS OF THAT TIME PERIOD WERE WE TO DO NOTHING OR YOU TO DO NOTHING YOU ACTUALLY HAVE RIGHTS ASSOCIATED WITH THE AREA YOU MAINTAIN . IF YOU CAN GO TO THE LAST ONE I WOULD LIKE THE LOCATION . WE ARE TALKING ABOUT GRADE TO MY RIGHT IS THE FIRST COAST EXPRESSWAY. THAT IS THE INTERCHANGE . THE FIRST ROAD TRAVELING TO THE WEST IS PASO FINO, NORTH OF 16 IS GARY, SAUNDERS GOES ALL THE WAY DOWN THROUGH THE FFI PLAT YOU JUST CONSIDERED DOWN TO GREENS ROAD. PASO FINO AND LITTLE DAIRY HAVE BEEN MAINTAINING A 20 FOOT WIDE ROAD FOR I WOULD SAY DECADES SO YOU OWN THAT BUT WE ARRIVED AND SAID WE WILL VACATE THESE PLAT.

THE COUNTY SAID WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE 60 FEET OF RIGHT-OF-WAY BECAUSE THIS IS GOING TO WANT TO BE A ROAD. WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO CONSIDER IN THIS PARTICULAR ITEM IS THE ACCEPTANCE OF DEDICATION OF ROAD RIGHT AWAY BY DEEDS OF DEDICATION FOR PASO FINO AND LITTLE DAIRY. WE HAVE SURVEYED THE IMPROVEMENTS YOU HAVE THAT WE WILL GIVE YOU TONIGHT SHOULD YOU ACCEPT THAT. THOSE LANDS WILL BECOME OWNED BY CLAY COUNTY. FOR PASO FINO THAT'S TWO AND HALF ACRES OF AREA. FOR LITTLE DAIRY IT'S 60 FEET WIDE , ABOUT 1.75 ACRES. IF YOU ACCEPT THESE DEEDS OF DEDICATION YOU WILL OWN THE TITLE AROUND THE LAND YOU ALREADY ON BECAUSE YOU MAINTAIN IT SO YOU WILL HAVE A FOR 60 FEET OF RIGHT-OF-WAY. SAUNDERS ROAD IS DIFFICULT BECAUSE BACK IN 1939 THE OWNER OF THIS LAND WHO DID ALL THESE PLAT DEDICATED A DEED 50 FEET IN WIDTH TO CLAY COUNTY BUT IT SAYS ALL THE DEED SAYS IS 50 FEET RUNNING SOUTH THROUGH SECTIONS ABCD EF. HERE'S 50 FEET. BETWEEN THAT DEDICATION AND DECADES AGO THE COUNTY BUILT A ROAD AND THEY MAINTAINED ABOUT 50 FEET. IN WORKING ON THIS OUT WITH THE COUNTY WHEN WE CAME WITH THESE LOCATIONS THE REQUEST WAS THE MINIMUM RIGHT-OF-WAY THE COUNTY WAS BUILT IN TODAY. CAN IT BE WHERE THE ROAD IS? THE ACTION YOU CONSIDER IS TO ACCEPT THE DEED FOR 60 FEET , THE BOUNDARY SURVEY SHOWS EVERYTHING YOU BUILD LIES WITHIN THAT AND LITTLE BIT EXTRA . YOU WILL EXCEPT THAT . WE WILL GIVE YOU

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THAT AND IN EXCHANGE YOU ARE GOING TO SAY WE GIVE UP ANY RIGHT TO ANY PART OF THAT 50 FOOT DEED BECAUSE NOBODY KNOWS WHERE IT IS. YOU WILL GET 60 FEET WHERE THE ROAD IS AND YOU ARE GOING TO GIVE UP A FUTURE PLANE WHERE SOMEBODY MIGHT THINK THAT 50 FOOT DEED IS. IT'S MAKING YOU WHOLE WHERE YOUR IMPROVEMENTS ARE AND EXPANDING THAT RIGHT-OF-WAY TO 60 FEET. THAT'S WHY IN THIS PARTICULAR DEED WE ARE GIVING YOU 60 FEET AND YOU ARE SAYING ANYTHING OUTSIDE OF THAT SOMEBODY MIGHT I OWN, I DON'T OWN ANY MORE. IT'S A TWO-STEP PROCESS. YOU HAVE THREE DEEDS TO CONSIDER.

>> ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? THIS IS -- THIS IS NOT A PUBLIC HEARING. IF JANICE WANTS TO SPEAK ?

>> THIS IS THE ONE I'M CONCERNED ABOUT. WE JUST WANT TO LET YOU KNOW -- SORRY. SORRY.

>> WE HAVE ABOUT FIVE MINUTES.

>> THERE'S MAPS, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO SEE THEM. THERE IS A SET FOR ALL OF YOU. THE TOWN OF PENNEY FARMS HAS HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSIONS AND DOESN'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH YOU. OUR CONCERN IS WE HAVE WATER AND SEWER LINES IN THESE ROADS AND WE JUST WANT TO PUT IT ON THE RECORD AS YOU ACCEPT THAT THAT WE HAVE OUR TOWN WATER AND SEWER LINE WITHIN THESE RIGHTS-OF-WAY AND WE SERVE TOWN RESIDENTS, COUNTY RESIDENTS AND THE UNINCORPORATED AREA. AFTER ALL THIS IS OVER I KNOW SOME OF US GOING BACK AND FORTH THE VARIOUS MEETINGS WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT BETWEEN THE TOWN AND COUNTY AND SOME OF THE MEETINGS THERE IS SOME SORT OF EASEMENT MOVING FORWARD TO LET IT BE KNOWN THAT HE'S ARE LITERALLY LINES PUT IN LEGALLY AND SERVE THE PUBLIC OR WHOEVER CONNECTS ONTO IT THAT YOU HAVE THAT RIGHT TO MAINTAIN THOSE LINES AND ROADS.

>> YOUR CONCERN IS THE LINES IN THAT 60 FOOT?

>> FOR ALL THESE ROADS, YES. >> THESE -- I HAVE A STACK OF ALL THE SAME ONES SO I WILL PASS THEM BACK.

>> I HAVE SOMETHING I CAN PUT UP IF YOU WANT. I DID A LITTLE POWERPOINT THAT SHOWS THE MAP. YOU CAN SEE -- I THOUGHT THEY WERE SET. ANYWAYS, CAN SEE IN EACH OF THOSE WE HAVE A SEWER AND THERE'S WATER AND ALL THE OTHER AND THAT IS OUR CONCERN.

. FOR THE RECORD, EXACTLY. WHATEVER WE NEED TO DO AND YOU UNDERSTAND WE WOULD LIKE TO WORK TOGETHER TO MAINTAIN AND PROTECT THOSE LINES FROM THE TOWN'S PERSPECTIVE THE RESIDENCE . SORRY FOR THE CONFUSION.

>> HOW MANY SHEETS OF PAPER SHOULD WE BE EXPECTING?

>> IF I CAN THROW THIS -- OKAY. I UNDERSTAND. I DIDN'T REALIZE.

ANYWAY. YOU CAN SEE THE LINES .

>> SOME OF THESE WERE WITH BLOCK FUNDS OVER THE YEARS .

THEY ARE PRETTY RECENT. >> THANK YOU FOR THE RECORD.

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UNLESS THERE IS SOMEONE ELSE WHO WANTS TO SPEAK TO THIS ISSUE -- YES. IF YOU CAN FILL OUT A CARD.

>> YEAH. NO PROBLEM WITH WHAT THEY ARE DOING WITH THE EXCEPTION OF NOT EXTENDING TO THE END OF OUR PROPERTY SO IT WILL RESTRICT ACCESS TO OUR PROPERTY . THERE IS DISPUTE WHETHER OR NOT THERE IS THOSE THREE ROADS . LOOK BACK AT THE RECORDS AND IT APPEARS TAXES WERE NOT PAID ON THOSE ROADS.

AFTER 45 YEARS THOSE ROADS BECAME A WHOLE 60 FOOT DRIVEWAY. IT WAS PLATTED . THOSE WOULD'VE COME BACK TO THE COUNTY AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE DATABASE AND ALL THOSE RECORDS IT'S CLEAR THEY ALREADY CAME BACK BECAUSE THE TAXES WEREN'T PAID AND THE CERTIFICATE WASN'T BOUGHT.

THEY COME BACK TO OWNERSHIP SO I THINK THERE IS SOME DISPUTE WHETHER WE DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT EXCEPT THEY'RE ONLY DEDICATING RIGHT-OF-WAY TO HALFWAY TO NOT TO BEGIN. WE MADE THIS COMMENT BEFORE. YOU HAVE TO HAVE A RIGHT-OF-WAY SO WE CAN ACCESS BECAUSE WE ARE TRYING TO DO DEDICATION AND WE WON'T HAVE ACCESS TO THE PROPERTY. THAT'S ALL WE'RE ASKING IS SEE IF YOU CAN GET THE DEVELOPER TO GO THE EXTRA 660 FEET TO MAKE SURE WHAT I BELIEVE IS ALREADY COUNTY RIGHT-OF-WAY BECAUSE OF LACK OF TAXES WHERE IT WAS ALREADY CONVEYED TO THE COUNTY 40 YEARS AGO THAT IT BE MADE WHOLE. IT DOESN'T HAVE TO GO TO THE END WHERE I THINK IT SHOULD GO BUT IT GOES AT LEAST TO THE END BECAUSE THE REST IS ACTUALLY BOTH SIDES THEIR PROPERTY SO IF IT WAS RIGHT-OF-WAY THEY COULD VACATE. THAT'S ALL WE'RE ASKING IS MAKE SURE WE PROTECT OUR PROPERTY. IT IS AT THE END OF PASO FINO ROAD. 60 ACRES.

THEY'RE ONLY GOING 300 FEET UP AND WE HAVE 8000 FEET OF FRONTAGE. THERE DEDICATING RIGHT-OF-WAY UP TO 300 FEET .

IT PREVENTS US FROM DOING ANYTHING TO OUR PROPERTY. WE ARE NOT SELLING FOR DEVELOPMENT. IT'S BEEN BROUGHT UP TO STAFF AND NO ONE HAS LOOKED AT IT. I APPRECIATE YOU ALLOWING ME TO TALK.

>> IF I COULD, ESTHER GOFF DID REACH OUT THROUGH THE ADVERTISEMENT PLACED IN THE PAPER AND CONTACTED THE COUNTY STAFF WHO CONTACTED ME AS THEIR AGENT . WE OFFERED TO MEET , TO DISCUSS AND HE HAS NOT TAKEN US UP ON THAT OFFER. THE RIGHT-OF-WAY BEING DEDICATED INCLUDES THE LIMIT COUNTY MAINTAINED ROAD. IT INCLUDES THE PARCEL. THERE IS LEGAL ACCESS PROVIDED . IF HE DECIDES TO DIVIDE HIS PROPERTY FURTHER AND USE AN EXEMPTION OR HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION THE COUNTY ALLOWS BY EASEMENT SO THOSE WILL BE ABLE TO CREATE AN EASEMENT ACCESS IF THAT IS HIS INTENTION. IF HE WERE TO DEVELOP THE PROPERTY AND MAKE IT TO A SUBDIVISION HE WOULD HAVE TO ACQUIRE RIGHT-OF-WAY AND APPROVE FROM A DIRT ROAD TO A PAVED ROAD ALL THE WAY OUT SO THAT PROCESS IS IN THE COUNTY LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATION. WE PROVIDED LEGAL ACCESS TO A PARCEL AS DESCRIBED AND WE WERE DEDICATING THAT TO YOU THIS EVENING. IF THERE'S A CLAIM THAT RIGHT-OF-WAY HAS COME TO THE COUNTY AND SOME OTHER FORM OR FASHION WE ARE NOT AWARE OF AND MR. GROFF CAN TAKE IT UP WITH THE COUNTY IF THE COUNTY WANTS TO CLAIM IT HAS MORE RIGHT-OF-WAY RIGHTS THAN WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO RECOGNIZE IN THIS PARTICULAR EFFORT WE'VE UNDERTAKEN. WE ARE HERE TO PROVIDE THE RIGHT-OF-WAY THAT INCLUDES THE IMPROVEMENTS YOU HAVE MADE , IMPROVEMENTS YOU MADE AND MAINTAIN ON PASO FINO BENEFIT MR. GROFF AND SO THE RIGHT-OF-WAY WE ARE GIVING YOU COMES TO HIS DRIVEWAY IF YOU EVER DECIDE TO PAVE THIS ROAD YOU AS A COUNTY WOULD DECIDE THE LIMITS OF YOUR IMPROVEMENTS AND THAT WOULD BE A DECISION THE COUNTY WOULD MAKE . WE ARE PROVIDING LEGAL ACCESS TO ALL THE PARCEL THAT IS DESCRIBED THAT MR. GROFF OWNS AND WE ARE INCREASING THE RIGHTS THE COUNTY HAS TODAY. WE ARE EXPANDING THOSE TO MAKE THEM 60 FEET IN WIDTH. THAT IS AN IMPROVEMENT OVER ACCESS RIGHTS THAT EXIST TODAY.

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>> I'M CONFUSED. I FEEL LIKE MR. GROFF DOESN'T FEEL LIKE HE WILL HAVE ACCESS BUT THEY ARE SAYING THEY WILL.

>> I THINK HE HAS ACCESS BECAUSE UNTIL HE DIVIDES HIS

PROPERTY . >> HE WOULD STILL HAVE IT

UNLESS HE DEVELOPS? >> THE COUNTY'S POLICY ON OLMSTEAD LOTS IS THAT ACCESS WOULD BE ALLOWED BY EASEMENT AND SO HE MAY DESCRIBE AN EASEMENT WHICH IS A RIGHT IN ADDITION TO A RIGHT HE HAS TODAY. IF HE COMES IN TO DO A HOMESTEAD LOT OR EVEN A SUBDIVISION HE BELIEVES THERE IS ADDITIONAL RIGHT THAT ACCRUE TO THE COUNTY ON 60 FEET BEYOND THE LIMIT OF WHERE WE ARE AND NORTH OF WHERE WE PROPOSE TO GIVE THE DEED TODAY THAN HE WOULD PROVIDE THAT TO THE COUNTY AT THAT TIME AND YOU WOULD JUDGE WHETHER YOU DO HAVE RIGHTS ARE NOT . WE DON'T HAVE ANY INFORMATION TO BASE ANY ACCEPTANCE OF THOSE RIGHTS TODAY. WE HAVEN'T MET . IT DOES NOT PRECLUDE HIM ACCESSING HIS PROPERTY TODAY , IT EXPANDS THE RIGHT-OF-WAY TO 60 FEET , IT ALLOWS THE COUNTY TO MAKE A DECISION IN THE FUTURE WHETHER YOU WANT TO PAVE IT OR NOT CONTINUE THE MAINTENANCE THAT YOU HAVE TODAY THAT HE HAS TODAY . IF HE DID A HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION AND CARVES THOSE OFF BASED ON WHICH ONE YOU'RE DOING YOU CAN DESCRIBE THE EASEMENT TO PROVIDE ACCESS TO THOSE LOTS.

>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? DO YOU HAVE

SOMETHING? >> FROM STAFF STANDPOINT WE HAVE DONE OF THE PASO FINO IT IS COVERING WHAT WE CURRENTLY MAINTAIN AND THE WITH EXPANDED.

>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? WHEN WAS THE PROPERTY -- WHEN WAS THAT PURCHASED?

>> WE PURCHASED IT FIVE YEARS AGO. IT WAS PURCHASED BASED ON A TITLE SEARCH THAT SHOWED RIGHT-OF-WAY GOING TO THE NORTH END OF THE PROPERTY. IT'S BEEN SHOWN THAT WAY ON THE COUNTY RECORDS FOR 40 OR 50 YEARS. I THINK IT'S SHOWN THAT WAY SIMPLY BECAUSE WHILE THE DEED THAT WENT FROM THE ORIGINAL OWNERS ALSO TRANSFERRED ALL THE RIGHT-OF-WAY THE TAX PART OF IT ONLY TEXT AND DID NOT TAX RIGHT-OF-WAY. AT SOME POINT SOMEBODY MADE THE DECISION YOU HAVE TO PAY TAXES IF YOU OWN IT BECAUSE IT WAS AN OPEN RIGHT-OF-WAY. AT SOME POINT WHEN THAT HAPPENS IF IT'S NOT BOUGHT IT AUTOMATICALLY CONVEYS TO THE COUNTY. IF YOU LOOK AT THE WEBSITE OR APPRAISER WEBSITE THAT PARCEL 2700 FEET WERE 4000 FEET OF THE NEXT ROAD OVER WHICH IS LITTLE DAIRY ROAD IS SHOWN AS NO TAXES BEING CHARGED BECAUSE IT'S AN UN-TAXABLE PARCEL. THE PLAT NEVER DEDICATED THE ROAD TO THE COUNTY BUT WHEN THE CORPORATION BOUGHT THAT IN 1934 THEY DID SAY THEY BOUGHT ALL ROADS ASSOCIATED WITH IT BUT WHEN YOU BUY PROPERTY HAVE TO PAY TAXES ON IT. IF YOU DON'T IT CONVEYS BACK TO THE COUNTY. WE BELIEVE THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED. ALL WE ASK FOR IS A FULL PIECE OF PROPERTY. WE HAVE ANOTHER DRIVEWAY ANOTHER 300 FEET DOWN THE ROAD . WE AREN'T ASKING TO MAINTAIN IT. THAT'S FINE.

WE'RE ASKING FOR THE RIGHT-OF-WAY WHICH WE BELIEVE THE COUNTY OWNS RIGHT NOW STAYS INTACT TO THE END OF OUR PROPERTY AND THE REST DOESN'T BOTHER US. IT IS A DISAGREEMENT, A DISPUTE. I KNOW THE APPLICANT DOESN'T AGREE.

IT IS CLEAR IN THE COUNTY RECORDS AND BEEN SHOWN TO THE COUNTY HALF THE RECORDS SHOW THE COUNTY HAS OWNED 60 FEET .

HOW YOU WANT TO DO WITH THAT I THINK THERE'S ENOUGH DISPUTE IT HAS TO BE LOOKED AT FURTHER. THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING. YOU'LL DO WHAT YOU NEED TO DO. WE DO HAVE ACCESS TO OUR PROPERTY

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NOW. IT PREVENTS US FROM ACCESSING LATER ON BECAUSE YOU'RE GIVING AWAY WHAT WE BELIEVE IS COUNTY RIGHT-OF-WAY.

IT'S PART OF THIS REPLANT AND DEDICATION OF LAND.

>> I'M CONFUSED ON HOW YOU THINK WE ARE GIVING THAT AWAY.

>> WE BELIEVE THE COUNTY OWNS THE RIGHT-OF-WAY.

>> ON THE PART THAT IS THE SOUTHERN PART? YOU ARE TALKING

ABOUT WERE NORTHERN. >> I DON'T HAVE MY PLAT UP.

>> I DIDN'T THINK SHE WAS ASKING TO GIVE UP THE RIGHTS TO ANYTHING NORTH OF THAT. THEY ARE JUST NOT VACATING THAT PLAT CURRENTLY WHAT WE ARE GIVING UP THE RIGHTS TO HIS 50 FEET -- RIGHT. THAT'S WHAT I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING FROM YOU.

>> YOU ARE DEDICATING TO YOU 60 FOOT WHICH IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO BECAUSE YOU'RE MAINTAINING ALL I'M ASKING IS WE BELIEVE THAT RIGHT-OF-WAY ALREADY EXISTS . I SAID THAT WRONG. A COUNTY PARCEL. COUNTY PARCEL. THEY HAVE NOT .

EVERYTHING ELSE, ALL THE OTHER ROADS EXCEPT LITTLE DAIRY, PASO FINO AND THE OTHER ONE GOING SOUTH. YES. THEY ARE ALL SHOWN AS NONTAXABLE PARCELS AND THAT IS BASICALLY THE COUNTY BECAUSE THEY ARE NONTAXABLE IT'S COUNTY PROPERTY. IT'S A LITTLE BIT GRAY BECAUSE YOU COULDN'T FIND A RECORD THAT SAID WE DID FIND WHERE THEY WERE BEING TAXED UP UNTIL ABOUT 40 YEARS AGO AND WE DIDN'T FIND IT. THE RECORDS ARE LITTLE GRAY ANYWAYS. ALL WE ASK FOR IS IF WE DON'T HAVE THAT ACCESS WE CAN'T ACCESS ALL OF OUR PROPERTY ON THAT SIDE WHICH RIGHT NOW WE BELIEVE WE HAVE THE RIGHTS TO ENTER TITLE SHOWS. THAT'S ALL WE ARE ASKING.

>> TIMMY THAT'S YOUR SECTION YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT IS A CIVIL MATTER BETWEEN THE LANDOWNERS AND IT COULD INCLUDE

THE COUNTY. >> TO AVOID A CIVIL MATTER.

>> BASED ON WHAT I'M FOLLOWING THAT THEY ARE ASKING US TO DO I DON'T SEE HOW THIS DECISION AFFECTS THIS DECISION. IT COULD. WE COULD COME BACK AT ANOTHER TIME AND TALK ABOUT

THIS . >> IF YOU COULD ASK THE APPLICANT TO ADD THE EXTRA 660 FEET OF RIGHT-OF-WAY WE BELIEVE IS ALREADY THERE. YOU DON'T HAVE TO. WE ARE ASKING. WE BELIEVE THE COUNTY ALREADY OWNS IT. IF YOU WANT TO GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS WHICH YOU ARE GOING THROUGH WHICH WE DIDN'T RECOMMEND BASED ON WHAT'S OUT THERE. GOING THROUGH THIS PROCESS THAT WAS THE ONLY WAY TO CURE IT NOW UNDER THIS. THE RIGHT WAY TO CURE IT IS THE COUNTY VACATE THE RIGHT-OF-WAY THEY DON'T WANT . THAT'S NOT THE WAY.

>> OKAY. I'M WITH YOU. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?

>> DO WE KNOW WHAT THE ANSWER IS?

>> I DO NOT KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION. THERE'S REALLY TWO OPTIONS YOU EITHER ACCEPT WHAT WE PROPOSE OR NOT. HIS POSITION IS ONLY APPROVED IF YOU ACCEPT . THIS ISSUE THAT IS A SILVER MATTER HAS TO BE RESOLVED LATER .

>> I THINK WHAT WE SAY IS IF YOU ACCEPT THE DEED OF DEDICATION BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING THERE CAN ALWAYS BE ANOTHER DEED OF DEDICATION AFTER FURTHER DISCUSSION THAT EXTENDS THIS. THIS DOES NOT EXTINGUISH YOUR RIGHT OR OPPORTUNITY TO TALK ABOUT THIS FURTHER BUT IT DOES ALLOW THIS.

>> IS THE APPLICANT WILLING TO CONTINUE DISCUSSION ?

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>> CALL US, WRITE US A LETTER. THAT'S THE EXTENT. I DON'T KNOW WHAT HE'S CLAIMING. I'M SURE HE'S GOING TO SEND SOMETHING. WE WILL OPEN THAT LETTER AND SEE WHERE IT TAKES

US. >> FROM STAFF WE HAVEN'T BEEN INVOLVED IN THAT DISCUSSION SO WE AREN'T SURE WHO WAS MADE

AWARE OF THIS ISSUE. >> JUST FROM MY VANTAGE POINT IT SEEMS LIKE I CAN'T MAKE A FULLY INFORMED DECISION ABOUT THIS BECAUSE STAFF CAN'T GIVE DIRECTION. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE HARM IS IN PROCEEDING WITH THE RECOMMENDATION BUT I ALSO DON'T KNOW WHAT THE BENEFIT IS TO YOU POSSIBLY WORK TO REINHOLD . WITH INCOMPLETE INFORMATION MY REQUEST WOULD BE FOR US TO TABLE THIS TONIGHT SO WE DO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO EXPLORE IT. I DIDN'T HAVE AN ISSUE AND WHEN I SPOKE TO LIAM LAST WEEK ABOUT IT THE CONCERN WAS EITHER GOING TO BE PUSHBACK , WHAT CAN WE ANTICIPATE SO WE CAN FULLY FLESHED OUT WHAT OTHER RIGHTS MAY BE IMPLICATED AND THIS WASN'T SOMETHING THAT CAME UP . IN ALL FAIRNESS I DON'T THINK THIS WAS PRESENTED TO LIAM TIMELY EITHER. THERE IS THIS COMPETING INTEREST THAT I ALSO HAVE TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION AND I DON'T THINK I HAVE THE INFORMATION TO DO SO.

>> MY COMMENT IS IF YOU ACCEPT WHAT WE PROPOSED PUTS THE COUNTY IN A WORSE POSITION. THAT IS THE EXTENT . THIS ISSUE ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT HE HAS RIGHTS TO ACCESS HIS PROPERTY NORTH OF OUR GATE IS A CIVIL MATTER WHICH WILL HAVE TO WORK THROUGH WITH TITLE COMPANIES . HE'S NOT AT A DISADVANTAGE .

WE HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THIS FOR A COUPLE YEARS NOW. WE SUGGESTED AND RECOMMENDED IF I FELT THERE WAS A BIG CONFLICT OR SOME LEGITIMATE BLOCK I WOULD WITHDRAW BUT I DON'T FEEL LIKE WHAT WE PROPOSED AND IF YOU APPROVE IT IT'S IN ANY

WORSE POSITION. >> THANK YOU.

>> I DON'T DISAGREE. ALL WE ARE ASKING I JUST HAVEN'T HAD TIME. I'VE BEEN A LITTLE BUSY WITH FCC RIGHT NOW. I WILL MEET WITH HIM. THE ISSUE IS MY PROBLEM IS THE PATH STAFF IS CHOOSING TO GO DOWN HAS SAID THIS IN A POSITION WHERE WE DON'T HAVE ANY WAY OF CORRECTING WHERE IS IF WE CHOSE THE OTHER PATH IT WOULD'VE BEEN A VERY SIMPLE WAY TO FIX IT. I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM. THE RIGHT-OF-WAY IS NEEDED . IF YOU DECIDE TO GO DOWN IT'S FINE. THAT'S A CIVIL MATTER, THAT'S NOT FOR HERE. I THINK IT'S ALREADY COUNTY RIGHT-OF-WAY SO YOU ASK FOR DEDICATION OF SOMETHING BUT YOU PARTY GONE DOWN THAT PATH. IT DOESN'T HURT ME AND WE CAN DEAL WITH IT LATER AND COME BACK TO THE COUNTY AND SAY THERE'S ANOTHER 600 FEET AND IF WE ALL AGREE IT CAN BE DEDICATED. I JUST WANT TO SAY IT DOESN'T HURT RIGHT NOW. I AM AGREEING. IT DOES HURT US IN THE FUTURE IF WE CAN'T SOLVE

IT. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR

STAFF ? I WILL TAKE A MOTION. >> I MOVE APPROVAL.

>> MOTION AND SECOND. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? I THINK THE CIVIL MATTER CAN BE RESOLVED . IT IS A DISPUTE ABOUT TAXES BEING PAID AND WHO REALLY OWNS THAT RIGHT-OF-WAY. WE WILL SOLVE

THAT SOME OTHER WAY. >> I AGREE. I THINK THIS IS STEP ONE. AS LONG AS SOMEBODY DOESN'T COME OUT WE CAN CERTAINLY WORK ON THIS MOVING FORWARD REGARDLESS OF WHETHER ON THE CIVIL SIDE WITH THE PARTIES THERE WERE DRESSING

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WHAT THE COUNTY MAY NEED TO DO IN THE FUTURE. I THINK WE CAN MOVE FORWARD TODAY AND TAKE THAT STEP TWO.

>> ANY OTHER COMMENTS? MOTION AND SECOND ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. THANK YOU. AT THIS TIME THE BOARD IS

[33. 6:00 p.m. PRIVATE MEETING - A Private Meeting between the Board of County Commissioners and its attorneys held under the authority of Section 286.011(8), F.S. (C. Grimm)]

SCHEDULED TO MEET WITH ITS ATTORNEYS IN PRIVATE FOR THE PURPOSE OF DISCUSSING WITH AND ADVISING THE ATTORNEYS REGARDING A CERTAIN CASE IN WHICH CLAY COUNTY IS A PARTY.

THE CASE IS BRIDGET ADAMS AND CLAY COUNTY BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS CLAY COUNTY CASE NUMBER 2023- CA-404 MATTERS PERTAINING TO SETTLEMENT NEGOTIATION OR STRATEGY SESSIONS RELATING TO EXPENDITURES WILL BE DISCUSSED.

THE PRIVATE SESSION IS BEING HELD UNDER THE AUTHORITY OF SECTION 286.011 EIGHT FLORIDA STATUTES AND WILL COMMENCE IMMEDIATELY UPON RECESS THE PUBLIC MEETING. CONFERENCE ROOM B. THE SESSION IS EXPECTED TO LAST 30 MINUTES AND THOSE PERSONS IN ATTENDANCE WILL BE THE FOLLOWING. MYSELF, OR CHAIRMAN, VICE CHAIRMAN , COMMISSIONER ALEXANDER, COMMISSIONER BETSY CONDON, KRISTEN BURKE, COUNTY MANAGER, COUNTY ATTORNEY COURTNEY GRIMM AND CLAY COUNTY OUTSIDE COUNSEL AUSTIN SHERMAN OF CARL ALLISON LAW FIRM. THE ENTIRE SESSION WILL BE RECORDED BY CERTIFIED COURT REPORTER WHO WILL TRANSCRIBE EVERYTHING SAID AND NOTHING SHALL BE STATED OFF THE RECORD. THE TRANSCRIPTION WILL BE FILED WITH THE CLERK OF BOARD AND WILL NOT BE AVAILABLE FOR PUBLIC INSPECTION UNTIL AFTER THE LITIGATION IS CONCLUDED. WE ARE NOW IN RECESS AND THE TIME IS

>> CAN YOU PLEASE TAKE YOUR SEATS? WE WILL RECONVENE THE BOARD. FIRST OF ALL THERE SOMETHING I HAVE TO READ. BRING IN THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONER MEETING END OF SESSION. THE PARTY MEETING HELD BETWEEN THE BOARD AND ITS ATTORNEYS REGARDING THE CASE OF BRIDGET ADAMS AND CLAY COUNTY BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS, CLAY COUNTY CASE NUMBER 2023-CA-404 HAS BEEN CONCLUDED. THAT TIME IS 7:02 P.M. WE WILL RECONVENE AND COMPLETE THE 5:00 CERTAIN ITEM NUMBER 37 IS I

[37. Public Hearing on Petition to Vacate a Portion of Long Island Avenue Right of Way (C. Grimm)]

THINK WHERE WE ARE AT. >> THIS IS A PETITION TO VACATE A PORTION OF LONG ISLAND AVENUE RIGHT-OF-WAY. THE PETITION IS ACTUALLY THE COUNTY IS THE APPLICANT AND IT IS IN CONNECTION WITH A STIPULATED ORDER OF TAKING A FINAL JUDGMENT THAT WAS ENTERED IN A POND TRANSPORTATION IN DOMAIN ACTION. THE REASON FOR THIS IS THAT A PORTION OF THE COUNTY IS REQUESTING TO HAVE VACATED AS A PORTION THAT ACTUALLY THE REMAINDER PROPERTY THAT THE COUNTY WAS TAKING. THIS IS JUST RIGHT OFF OF 315 NEAR WHERE OUR NEW COUNTRY ZERO OAK COMES IN.

YOU WOULD NEED TO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING.

>> ALL RIGHT. ANY QUESTIONS FOR OUR COUNTY ATTORNEY? IF NOT WE WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR PETITION TO VACATE A PORTION OF LONG ISLAND AVENUE. I DON'T HAVE ANY CARDS. SEEING NONE, HEARING NONE I WILL CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING AND BRING IT BACK TO COMMISSION. I HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND TO APPROVE THE PETITION TO VACATE A PORTION OF LONG ISLAND AVENUE.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS, CONCERNS? HEARING NONE SAY NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. ITEM NUMBER 38 IS

[38. Propose New Conditional Use of Rural Event Venue (M. Brown)]

PROPOSE A NEW CONDITIONAL USE OF RURAL EVENT VENUE.

>> THIS IS AN INFORMATION ITEM AT THIS POINT. NO VOTER ACTION