[Call to Order] [00:00:07] >> THIS MEETING OF CLAY COUNTY HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD MEETING BOARD IS NOW TO ORDER. [Approval of Minutes] FIRST UP ON THE AGENDA IS THE APPROVAL OF THE OLD PREVIOUS MEETINGS. THE JUNE MEETING. CAN I ENTERTAIN A MOTION? >> I THINK WE HAVE THAT PRODUCTION. >> OKAY. >> AND THE MIDDLEBURG COLORED SCHOOL UPDATE. ACTUALLY, THE FORT 11 UPDATE. IT IS PAGE FOUR, I THINK, OF IT. THE PAIR GRAPH STARTS WITH BILLY GOULD. THERE WAS SOME INSIGHT. AND I THINK IT SHOULD BE IN SIGHT AS " TRAN03 S-I-G-H-T." AS OPPOSED TO INSIGHT TO RIOT. >> OKAY. ANY OTHER CHANGES OR CORRECTIONS TO THE MINUTES? >> I MOVED TO ACCEPT THE MINUTES WITH THAT ONE CHANGE. >> I WILL SECOND. >> ALL IN FAVOR? >> AYE. >> AYE. [Public Comment] >> SO CARRIED. PUBLIC COMMENTS? IS THERE ANYBODY THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK AT THIS TIME? OKAY. THEN WE WILL GO ON TO THE [Old Business] HISTORICAL MARKER PROGRESS, ITEM NUMBER 1. IF YOU COULD BE SO KIND. >> BETH PASSED OUT COPIES OF THE HISTORICAL STRUCTURE FORM, WHICH, I THINK, WE ALL HAVE TO FILL OUT AS WE NOMINATE A SITE FOR A HISTORIC MARKER, AND OURS WAS UPDATED BY THE HISTORIAN WHO WORKED ON THE SCHOOL STUDY TEAM. SO I WANTED TO POINT OUT SOME OF THE THINGS THAT HE CORRECTED THAT WERE MISTAKEN IN THE INITIAL MASTER SITE FILE ON MIDDLEBURG COLORED SCHOOL. NUMBER ONE WAS THE NAME OF THE SCHOOL. IT DID NOT HAVE A NAME LISTED. TOWARDS THE CENTER UNDER HISTORY, ALL THOSE DATES HAVE BEEN ADDED. AND ADDITIONAL DETAILS UNDER DESCRIPTION WERE ALSO ADDED BY THE HISTORIAN WHO DID THAT WORK. ON THE SECOND PAGE, WHEN YOU GO DOWN TO THE OPINION OF RESOURCE SIGNIFICANCE, YOU WILL SEE THAT THERE IS ACTUALLY A SPACE WHERE KEYWORDS ARE ALLOWED SO THAT PEOPLE CAN SEARCH THE MASTER SITE FILE TO FIND OTHER -- OTHER SITES THAT ARE IN COMMON WITH SOME OF THESE KEYWORDS. THE INITIAL LISTING FOR MIDDLEBURG COLORED SCHOOL WAS SPANISH-AMERICAN WAR. THAT WAS THE ONLY DESCRIPTOR THAT WAS SEARCHABLE FOR THAT. NOW, IT HAS BEEN CORRECTED TO ARCHITECTURE, EDUCATION, AND BLACK HISTORY. SO MR. WEAVER, THE HISTORIAN, DID A GREAT JOB OF MAKING ALL THIS CORRECTIONS THAT WERE NOT CAUGHT INITIALLY WHEN THE SURVEY WAS FIRST DONE IN THE 1980S. SO THAT WAS A MAJOR CHANGE I CAME OUT OF THE RESEARCH TEAM THAT STUDIED THE SCHOOL. I ALSO HANDED OUT HISTORICAL AMNESIA IN CLAY COUNTY. THE LAST 30 YEARS. YOU HEARD ME MENTION THIS IDEA BEFORE OF THE HISTORICAL AMNESIA. AND YOU WILL SEE SOME KEYWORDS THERE, TOO. TURPENTINE. GRAN FOREMAN HOMESTEAD. MIDDLEBURG COLORED SCHOOL. HILL TOP COMMUNITY. AND HUNTER DOUGLAS PARK. NOW, THOSE ARE ALL PARTS OF CLAY COUNTY HISTORY THAT REMAIN TO THIS LITTLE COLORED SCHOOL, THIS LITTLE BLACK COLORED SCHOOL. I GIVE YOU A LITTLE BACKGROUND ON THE SCHOOL AND THE RESEARCH THAT WE DEVELOPED, AND I ALSO GIVE YOU SOME BACKGROUND ON [00:05:02] PRESERVATION EFFORTS THAT STARTED IN THE 1990S BUT THEN FOR ONE REASON OR ANOTHER DID NOT COME TO FRUITION. SO YOU CAN SEE THAT TIME AFTER TIME, PEOPLE HAVE TRIED TO PRESERVE THIS SCHOOL. AND I AM NOT TALKING SO MUCH ABOUT MARKING IT. I'M TALKING ABOUT THE SCHOOLHOUSE ITSELF. AND I WANTED TO POINT OUT TO YOU SOME OF THE STATEMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE NOT OFFHANDEDLY AS FOR EXAMPLE A NEIGHBOR MIGHT MAKE HER A HISTORY BUFF MIGHT MAKE. BUT STATEMENTS THAT WERE MADE BY PEOPLE WHO REALLY UNDERSTAND THIS SCHOOLHOUSE IN THE LARGER SETTING OF CLAY HISTORY AND IN STATE HISTORY. SO THE FIREHOUSE MIDDLEBURG VOLUNTEER FIRE DEPARTMENT VOLUNTEERED THAT SCHOOLHOUSE WITH THE APPROVAL OF THE COUNTY. IT WAS A COUNTY CONTRACT. AND IT WAS MEANT TO BE THE FIRST AFRICAN-AMERICAN MUSEUM IN CLAY COUNTY. THEY INSISTED THAT IT BE A HISTORIC SCHOOLHOUSE MUSEUM, AND THAT IS WHAT IT SERVED UNTIL 2020 WHEN SO MANY SMALL MUSEUMS CLOSED DOWN. JIM HORN OF THRASHER-HORNE, IF YOU REMEMBER THAT NAME, MENTIONED THE STATEWIDE SIGNIFICANCE OF THE BUILDING, AND OUR OWN CLAUD W. BASS SPEAKS ON PAGE 2 ABOUT THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THE SCHOOLHOUSE ITSELF FOR THE MEMORY AND OF THE HISTORY AND WHAT THIS BUILDING SERVED IN THE 100+ YEARS THAT IT HAS BEEN STANDING. I NOTICED THAT WHEN I FIRST TALKED ABOUT THE REPORT FOR THE RESEARCH TEAM THAT WENT TO WORK ON THE SCHOOLHOUSE ON THE CONDITION REPORT, I WAS SURPRISED TO HEAR SOME PUSHBACK IN TERMS OF WAS THE BUILDING IMPORTANT. WAS IT WORTH SAVING? ET CETERA. I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FEEDBACK FROM THOSE OF YOU WHO HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE BUILDING'S IMPORTANCE. >> I HAVE BEEN THERE AND I HAVE HELPED CLEAN IT UP SO I KNOW THE SIGNIFICANCE. I DON'T HAVE REALLY ANY QUESTIONS ON IT. BUT IT IS A GOOD QUESTION FOR THE GROUP. >> AND THAT IS WHAT I AM ASKING. I AM ASKING THE GROUP ON THEIR POSITION ON THE PRESERVATION OF THE SCHOOLHOUSE. >> I MEAN, I FULLY SUPPORT PRESERVING IT. IT FULFILLS A EDUCATION AND CULTURAL SIGNIFICANCE TO THE COUNTY, SO I HAVE NO ISSUE JUST TRYING TO PRESERVE OF MUCH OF IT AS WE CAN IN THE BEST POSSIBLE WAY WE CAN. >> AND RANDY, DID YOU HAVE SOME COMMENTS ABOUT IT? >> NO. THE ONLY TIME I RAISED A QUESTION WAS WHEN YOU MENTIONED THERE WAS A $275,000 PRICE TAG AND MY QUESTION BEFORE WAS WHERE ARE THESE DOLLARS COMING FROM AND YOU CLARIFIED THAT AND THAT IS ALL I NEEDED AFTER YOU CLARIFIED IT. SO IT WAS NOT COMING OUT OF WHATEVER FUNDS WE HAVE IN OUR ACCOUNT, SO I DO NOT HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT. I DO, HOWEVER, HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT DO YOU ALL NEED ANYBODY -- ANYBODY WITH CARPENTER TOOLS AND CARPENTER SKILLS TO HELP OUT WITH ANY PROJECTS THERE? >> SO THAT HAS TO BE GOVERNED, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, TO THE FACILITIES DEPARTMENT AND DO A PRESERVATION PLAN, AND I BELIEVE THAT IS THE NEXT STEP THAT WE WOULD NEED TO BE TAKING. IS THAT CORRECT, BETH? >> THAT IS CORRECT. AND THERE ARE ALSO QUESTIONS ABOUT ASBESTOS AND THE DECIDING MATERIALS SO THERE DEFINITELY NEEDS TO BE A PLAN BEFORE ANY ACTION IS TAKEN. >> ANYWAYS, I WAS GOING TO RECOMMEND A PERSON I KNOW HAS EVERY CARPENTER TWO KNOWN TO MANKIND. AND HE HAS DONE A LOT OF BUILDING UP AND PRESERVATION'S WITH REGARDS TO [00:10:08] CARPENTRY AND FOUR PANELS AND THAT WOULD BE ME. SO IF YOU NEED ANY HELP OR IF IT COMES DOWN TO THAT, LET ME KNOW. >> OH, ABSOLUTELY. >> WHATEVER I CAN DO, I WILL DO. >> SO I HEARD, AND I MAY HAVE MISHEARD, THAT DO TO THE CUT IN ARTS AND CULTURAL FUNDING IN THE STATE BUDGET THAT THE DEPARTMENT OF HISTORICAL RESOURCES -- I AM NOT SURE IF IT IS ONLY THAT DEPARTMENT BUT IT IS SOMETHING LIKE $500 MILLION SHORT. AND THEY ARE SUSPENDING GRANT FUNDING FOR THE REST OF THE YEAR. IS THAT A POSSIBILITY? >> I AM NOT AWARE OF THAT. >> OKAY. SO I MIGHT HAVE MISHEARD THAT. >> YOU ARE ACCURATE. I KNOW THAT THEATER IN GAINESVILLE LOST ALL OF THEIR FUNDS. AND IT HAS BEEN -- IT HAS IMPACTED CULTURAL THINGS AND THE ARTS, REALLY. >> YEAH. SO I HOPE I MISREAD THAT. >> I AM HOPING IT DOES NOT IMPACT US. >> YEAH. >> BECAUSE I CANNOT IMAGINE THAT THE DEPARTMENT OF HISTORICAL RESOURCES -- I WOULD NOT THINK IT WOULD HAVE A BUDGET OF HALF A MILLION DOLLARS. >> WE WILL SEE ABOUT THAT. >> AND I THINK THAT MONEY COMES DOWN FROM THE FEDS FROM THE NATIONAL PARKS SERVICE AND A LOT OF THE RULES AND REGULATIONS KIND OF COME BETWEEN THEM AND OF THE HISTORIC RESOURCES. SO IT IS A QUESTION OUT THERE. WE ARE ON ONE HAND, AND WHEN I SAY WE I AM TALKING ABOUT MY BRO, JACKSON, AND THE OTHER PEOPLE FROM THE COMMUNITY THAT I HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH ON THESE VARIOUS YEARS. WE DO HAVE THE HISTORIC MARKER TEXT IN DRAFT. THE RESEARCH STILL CONTINUES, AND I WANTED TO GIVE THE BOARD A BIT OF AN IDEA OF WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE BECAUSE THERE HAS BEEN A QUESTION OR TWO. SO THESE ARE BINDERS. THIS ONE IS FROM THE SCHOOL BOARD MINUTES. SCHOOL BOARD MINUTES. AND I HAVE TWO MORE BINDERS. ONE OF SCHOOL BOARD MINUTES, AND LAUREN REGISTERS FROM THE SCHOOL DISTRICT. CLAY COUNTY SCHOOL DISTRICT. AND I BRING THOSE TO SHOW THAT WHEN YOU ARE LOOKING AT PRIMARY RECORDS, YOU CAN GET PRETTY DEEPLY INTO THE WEEDS AND GET THERE IS NO REAL WAY FOR EXAMPLE IF YOU WANTED TO STUDY A PARTICULAR SCHOOL IN CLAY COUNTY. YOU WOULD HAVE TO GO TO THOSE RECORDS BECAUSE THERE IS NO WAY NOTHING HAS BEEN WRITTEN ABOUT IT. YOU KNOW? MOST OF THE RECORDS ARE GONE. SO, REALLY, UNLESS YOU PLOW TO THOSE RECORDS, YOU WILL NOT FIND MUCH IF ANYTHING. A FEW NEWSPAPER ARTICLES. THAT IS AT. BUT I WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW THAT ANYONE CAN FOLLOW IN MY FOOTSTEPS. OR IF THEY ARE WORKING ON OTHER SCHOOLS IN OTHER LOCATIONS. NOT JUST BLACK SCHOOLS. WHITE SCHOOLS. THEY CAN GO ON OVER TO THE COUNTY ARCHIVES AND THEY HAVE A LOT OF MATERIALS THERE. SO I HIGHLY RECOMMEND GETTING INTO THOSE DETAILS SO YOU GET AN IDEA OF WHAT IT IS THAT GOES TO MAKE UP AN ORGANIZATION LIKE A LOCAL SCHOOL OR LIKE A LOCAL SCHOOL DISTRICT. >> CAN I ASK THE COMMISSION A QUESTION? >> YEAH. >> CAN YOU UPLOAD ALL THOSE MINUTES OR HAVE SOMEONE UPLOAD ALL THOSE MINUTES? I KNOW IT IS TWO BINDERS, BUT YOU KNOW IT CAN BE DONE. AND THEN WHEN YOU HAVE THIS BUILDING PRESERVED, THEN ADD TO THE KEYWORD SEARCH OF, YOU KNOW, HISTORIC MINUTES OF A SCHOOL. BECAUSE THEN IF DOWN THE ROAD 100 YEARS FROM NOW, SOMEONE IS DOING RESEARCH [00:15:01] ACROSS THE BOARD, THEY CAN FIND THE ACTUAL MINUTES BECAUSE OTHERWISE THEY ARE IN THAT BINDER AND THAT BINDER NO ONLY. >> SO THE ACTUAL MINUTE BOOKS ARE ABOUT THAT TALL. THEY ARE ABOUT THAT WIDE. THEY ARE MOSTLY 500 PAGES LONG. BY ABOUT THE 1930S, MOST OF IT IS TYPED. THOSE RECORDS NEVER LEAVE THE SCHOOL SUPERINTENDENT'S OFFICE. SO THE SCHOOL BOARD MEETS OVER THERE. ALL OF ITS MINUTES GONE ALL THE WAY BACK. >> THEY NEED TO BE SCANNED AND ENTERED. ANYTHING CAN HAPPEN. >> SO I HAD VOLUNTEER PHOTOGRAPHERS AND OVER 1000 PAGES IN THE SCHOOL SUPERINTENDENT'S OFFICE. AND WE ONLY LOOKED AT -- I ONLY LOOKED AT RECORDS THAT RELATED TO COLORED SCHOOLS. SO I WAS SCANNING LIKE A HUMAN GOOGLE IN THESE GREAT, BIG BOOKS AND MARKING PAGES. >> SOUNDS PRETTY LABOR-INTENSIVE. >> TO ACTUALLY SCAN THOSE THINGS, IT TOOK US WEEKS. WE HAD TO GO IN TWO-HOUR SESSIONS, BECAUSE WE WERE IN THE CONFERENCE ROOM THAT BELONGS TO THE SCHOOL BOARD, AND OF THOSE RECORDS WE HAD OVER 1000 PAGES. NOW, THERE ARE MORE THAN 16,000 PAGES. THAT IS A ROUGH ESTIMATE. THAT IS MY THUMBNAIL. IF YOU LOOK AT THE WHOLE PIECE, WE STOP AT 1970. OKAY? SO WE WERE NOT GOING THE WHOLE SPAN. THAT PROBABLY IS DIGITIZED NOW. SO THE PHOTOGRPHER THAT HELPED ME DIGITIZE THESE RECORDS , THEY CREATED FOR ME A VOLUME BY VOLUME SERIES OF COPIES THAT CAME OUT AS A PDF. SO THOSE BINDERS ARE MADE FROM THE PDFS CREATED BY THE SCANNINGS THAT THE PHOTOGRAPHER DID. WHEN THE INITIAL GRANT WAS WRITTEN FOR THIS SCHOOL STUDY REPORT, WE WERE ASKED TO DONATE ALL THOSE RECORDS TO THE COUNTY, AND WE DID THAT. SO THE COUNTY HAS THOSE. THEY SHOULD BE BY NOW TRANSFERRED OVER TO THE COUNTY ARCHIVES. NOW, THEY ARE NOT A COMPLETE SCAN AND I KNOW THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT WRITING GRANTS TO DIGITIZE THOSE RECORDS. THEN PEOPLE COULD SEARCH THEM. NOW, IT IS REALLY TOUGH. BUT, IF PEOPLE DO HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT AND I CAN HELP THEM, I HAVE GOT A BINDER FOR THAT STUFF. IF YOU HAVE A QUESTION, I WOULD BE GLAD TO HELP YOU IF I CAN. OTHERWISE, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY ARE GOING TO PRINT OUT ALL THOSE RECORDS, BUT THEY MAY AS WELL DO IT. GREAT QUESTION THOUGH. >> I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION. DO YOU HAVE COMPUTER COPIES OF THESE THAT CAN BE TRANSFERRED OR ANYTHING? LIKE TO EMAIL THEM TO SOMEBODY? >> I CAN EMAIL YOU THE MASTER SITE FILE PDF. HAVE YOU GOT THE OTHER ONE IN PDF FORM? >> THIS ONE? NO. >> BUT -- >> I WILL SCAN IT TOMORROW. SO. >> WITH ALL THAT SAID, WE ARE KEEPING OUR FINGERS CROSSED THAT I MISHEARD ABOUT THE SUSPENSION OF GRANT FUNDING. AND WE ARE MOVING FORWARD WITH THE HISTORIC MARKER TEXT, AND THAT IS RIGHT NOW OUR TOP OF MIND. SO ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? >> I DON'T HAVE ANY. >> WE CONTINUE. ONWARD AND UPWARD. THANK YOU. >> ALL RIGHT. MS. MURPHY. >> NOTHING HAS REALLY CHANGED WITH FORT 11 SINCE WE LAST MET. THERE HAS BEEN NOTHING THAT WE HAVE UPDATED, SO WE ARE JUST ON HOLD RIGHT THERE. >> BETH, DID YOU EVER GET A HOLD OF JERRY AND SEE IF HE HAS ANY OF HIS CORRECTIONS? >> THAT IS THE ONLY LAST PIECE BECAUSE HE DID SAY -- >> HE DID HAVE STUFF HE WANTED TO TRY TO ADD IN BEFORE ALL THE [00:20:06] WORK FOR ME. >> I WILL GO BACK AND LOOK. >> OKAY. AND DID YOU EVER GET THE COORDINATE MARKERS FOR KEYSTONE? KEYSTONE HEIGHTS MARKER? SORRY. >> NO. THAT IS OKAY. SO WITH REGARDS TO THE KEYSTONE HEIGHTS MARKER, SEVERAL THINGS. SO I WAS GOING TO GO THROUGH AND KIND OF WRITE A PROCEDURAL MAP, IF YOU WILL, AND I REMEMBER THAT WHEN -- WAS IT FELICIA WHO IS HERE ON OUR BOARD AND SHE STARTED WITH THE BLUE ANGELS MARKER? SHE HAD PUT TOGETHER A -- DO YOU REMEMBER THIS? YEAH. >> I FEEL LIKE I REMEMBER THAT. >> I MIGHT NOT HAVE BEEN HERE AT THE TIME. >> ANYWAY, SHE PUT THIS HISTORIC MARKER PROGRESS REALLY AND I THOUGHT I WOULD EXPAND ON THAT ONLY TO FIND AS I STARTED GOING TO ALL OF THE WEBSITES THAT IT IS ALREADY DONE. THE PROCESS IS THERE. THE UNFORTUNATE SIDE OF IT, WHILE IT IS VERY DETAILED, IT IS LIKE YOU ARE GOING DOWN A RABBIT HOLE BECAUSE THERE IS, YOU KNOW, REALLY FOUR MAJOR PROCESSES, IF YOU WILL. LET ME GET THROUGH HERE. YOU HAVE THE APPLICATION PROCESS, THE REVENUE -- REVIEW AND RENEWAL PROCESS, AND THEN YOU HAVE THE ACTUAL MANUFACTURING AND INSTALLATION PROCESS. SO IT APPEARS ON THE SURFACE THAT IT IS JUST THREE STEPS AND WHAT COULD BE SO DIFFICULT? WELL, EVERY ONE OF THOSE PROCESSES, THOSE THREE STEPS, THEY REQUIRE 40 STEPS. SO AS YOU GO THROUGH ALL OF THIS, IT SEEMS YOU HAVE TO DO ONE THING AND THEN THERE IS SO MANY OF PEOPLE INVOLVED IN EVERY ONE OF THESE MARKERS, WHETHER IT IS THE CHURCH OR WHETHER DOWN THE ROAD IT IS THE MUSEUM MARKER , THE SCHOOLHOUSE, THE BLUE ANGELS, THE KEYSTONE MARKER, THE FORT MARKER, AND THEY ARE ALL REALLY DIFFERENT. SO THE NUANCES OF EVERY ONE OF THESE STEPS NEED TO BE CHANGED. AND SO WHEN YOU ARE LOOKING AT THE MASTER SITE FILE, IN THE MASTER SITE FILE, JUST TO GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE, YOU HAVE THE FORM THAT NEEDS TO BE COMPLETED. YOU HAVE TO DETERMINE WHAT TYPE IT IS. EITHER ARCHAEOLOGICAL, A BRIDGE, A CEMETERY, A STRUCTURE, AND IN THE SCHOOLHOUSE THAT WAS THE STRUCTURE FILE, SO YOU NEEDED TO PRODUCE THIS. WELL, WITH THE WHOLE CITY, I WAS TOLD THAT IT NEEDED TO BE THE RESOURCE GROUP. SO AFTER SPENDING LOTS OF TIME TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THE RESOURCE GROUP AND GETTING INFORMATION THAT IT NEEDED TO BE FIRST DESIGNATED AS A HISTORIC DISTRICT, I KNEW THAT WAS JUST INCORRECT. FINALLY, I GOT A HOLD OF JEREMY HELKER, WHO WAS THE PERSON I NEEDED TO TALK TO FIRST. AND THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN REALLY HELPFUL TO HAVE KNOWN MONTHS AGO. BECAUSE ONCE I SPOKE WITH HIM HE SAID, NO, NO, NO, NO. FOR THIS CASE, YOU DO NOT EVEN NEED TO HAVE A MASTER FILE. SKIP THAT IN THE ENTIRE STEP. GO DIRECTLY TO THE APPLICATION. HAVE A COUNTY COMMISSIONER SIGN OFF ON IT. AND THEN WE CAN MOVE EVERYTHING FORWARD. SO I SENT THE APPLICATION WITH THE GENERAL INFORMATION, THE MARKER HISTORY, AND ALL THAT, TO BETSY CONDON. SHE IS ONE OF OUR COMMISSIONERS. THIS PARTICULAR MARKER IS GOING TO GO ON CITY PROPERTY AND THEIR AUTHORIZATION. SO UNLIKE AUTHORIZATION FROM AN INDIVIDUAL WHERE IT IS ON THEIR PROPERTY OR THEIR BUSINESS, WE NEED THE CITY COUNCIL'S COMMISSION. SO, AT THAT TIME, [00:25:05] WHEN I MEET WITH THEM ON MONDAY, I WILL HAVE ALL OF THE INFORMATION. I WILL HAVE THEM GO THROUGH AND LOOK AT ALL OF THE INFORMATION THAT IS ON THE MARKER, AND THEN I WILL REQUEST THAT A LIAISON, ONE OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS BECOME A LIAISON, SO THAT WE CAN EXPEDITE EVERYTHING. THEN I WILL GET BACK ONCE WE GET THE GPS COORDINATES AND THE EXACT LOCATION, AND OF COURSE THAT IS GOING TO TAKE THE CITY COUNCIL AND MYSELF WORKING TO GATHER. AT THAT POINT, I WILL GO BACK TO JEREMY, AND HE SAID HE WILL TRY TO FAST-TRACK THIS BECAUSE I DID EXPLAIN TO HIM THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE IT INSTALLED IN 2025. SOME TIME FOR THE 100 YEAR KEYSTONE HEIGHTS CENTENNIAL. HE WAS SURPRISED TO FIND OUT THAT KEYSTONE HEIGHTS, AND IT IS A GOOD-SIZED COMMUNITY, DOES NOT HAVE A MARKER AT ALL FOR THE ENTIRE CITY. SO FOR OUR UPCOMING CENTENNIAL, HE IS ON BOARD TO REALLY HELP WITH THIS. SO WE HAVE COME A LONG WAY. ON THIS MARKER. JUST BECAUSE OF GETTING IN CONTACT WITH THE RIGHT PEOPLE. SO THAT IS MY UPDATE ON THE KEYSTONE HEIGHTS MARKER. >> OKAY. I WILL HANDLE IT SINCE JERRY IS NOT HERE. I WILL HANDLE THE ST. MARY'S EPISCOPAL CHURCH MARKER. I DID LOOK OUT THERE, AND THERE WERE A COUPLE OF LOCATIONS. IT SHOULD BE IN THE COPIES OF YOUR PACKET HERE, I BELIEVE. DO WE HAVE THOSE ON THE SLIDE? >> NO. I AM SORRY. WE DO NOT. >> OKAY. >> THEY WERE IN THE AGENDA FOR TODAY. OKAY. THE FIRST LOCATION. >> LET US SEE IF ANYBODY NEEDS A CARD. >> OKAY. >> OKAY. THE FIRST LOCATION THE CHURCH WOULD LIKE TO HAVE IT IS UP BY THE ROAD OUT THERE BY THE CHURCH SIGN AND THE END OF THE ROAD. THERE IS A -- THERE IS A REASON THAT IS NOT A VERY GOOD LOCATION, AND THAT IS IT IS REALLY TOO CLOSE TO THE ROAD. SHOULD AT LEAST HAVE A TWO FOOT SETBACK, AND YOU WILL NOT HAVE THAT WITH THAT LOCATION. BUT WE DID PICK OUT A SECOND LOCATION, WHICH IS RIGHT BY THE FELLOWSHIP HALL BY THE HANDICAPPED AREA RAMP. BUT THERE WERE SOME CONCERNS THAT -- FROM STAFF -- THAT IT MIGHT BE THE BEST LOCATION DUE TO THE FACT THAT ALL THE TREES AND STUFF RIGHT THERE WITH IT, AND THERE IS A THIRD LOCATION THAT I KIND OF LOOKED AT, WHICH WAS DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF THE FELLOWSHIP HALL ON THE SIDEWALK SO IT WOULD NOT IMPEDE ANY OF THEIR PARKING SPACES BY THE SIDE OF THE ROAD, AND YET IT WOULD REMAIN VISIBLE. BUT THEY, [00:30:03] THE CHURCH, REALLY WANTED A MARKER TO BE WHERE THE CHURCH BUILDING ITSELF AND THE HALL WERE IF YOU HAVE SEEN THE MARKER. SO I WILL BRING IT TO THE BOARD AND I WILL LET MS. KATHY SPEAK HERE REPRESENTING THE CHURCH. AND WHERE WE WOULD LIKE TO TRY TO FIT IT. AND WE ARE LOOKING FOR DIRECTIONS FROM THE BOARD. >> MR. CHAIR, I JUST WANTED TO CALL OUT THAT I BROUGHT UP THE IMAGE OF THE MARKER SO YOU CAN SEE WITH THE DIMENSIONS IT IS 42 INCHES WIDE BY 32 INCHES HIGH. SO IF THAT HELPS YOU WITH YOUR PLACEMENT. >> YEAH. >> SO THE TREES, IF THEY WERE REMOVED, I AM THINKING THERE ARE NO TREES ON THE RIGHT-OF-WAY. THERE ARE SOME CLOSER TO THE BUILDING. I AM TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT TREES YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT. >> THE ONE NEXT TO THE RAMP. BECAUSE REMEMBER, ME AND YOU TALKED ABOUT PUTTING IT BASICALLY WERE THAT HANDICAP SIGN IS. >> IF THERE ARE ANY TREES THERE, THEY ARE NOT GOOD TREES. WE CAN CUT THEM DOWN. I DON'T THINK THAT IS AN ISSUE. ARE WE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT IN HERE? >> YEAH. IT DID NOT SHOW UP -- I AM FEELING THE RED DOT RIGHT LIKE IN THAT AREA. >> IS THAT WHERE THEY WANTED IT? >> WELL, THAT WAS ONE OF THE PLACES WE HAD TALKED ABOUT. >> THAT WAS THEIR SECOND CHOICE. >> YEAH. THAT WAS THEIR SECOND CHOICE. >> WHAT WAS THEIR FIRST CHOICE? RIGHT BETWEEN THE BRIDGE AND THE SUSPENSION? BUT THAT DID NOT WORK WITH THE PROXIMITY TO THE ROAD. >> BECAUSE THE EDGE OF THE SIGN SHOULD BE TWO FEET IN BACK OF THE CURVE, AND THERE IS JUST ENOUGH SPACE IN BETWEEN THERE SO THAT AS A SIGN GUY I WOULD NOT PUT A COUNTY SIGN IN THAT AREA BECAUSE IT DOES NOT HAVE ENOUGH OF A SETBACK, AND IT CAN BE EASILY DAMAGED BY OVERSIZED VEHICLES OR ANYTHING COMING BY. BUT, AGAIN, I AM JUST ONE MEMBER OF THE BOARD. >> THEIR SECOND CHOICE IS PROBABLY A BETTER LOCATION. >> YEAH. YEAH. YEAH. IT WOULD BE A BETTER LOCATION. >> SO IT IS IN BETWEEN THE HANDICAP RAMP IN THE FRONT DOOR? >> YES. >> AND WHAT IS THERE NOW? >> RIGHT NOW IT LOOKS LIKE THERE IS JUST A HANDICAP SIGN AND A TREE. >> OKAY. >> YOU SEE WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT? >> I SEE THE HANDICAP SIGN TO THE RIGHT OF THE FRONT DOOR. WHAT IS THE HANDICAP SIGN TO THE LEFT OF THE FRONT DOOR? WHAT IS THE ONE TO THE RIGHT? SO YOU WOULD REMOVE THE HANDICAP SIGN? >> YEAH. I MEAN, WE WOULD HAVE TO. >> THEN WHERE WOULD THAT GO? >> I DON'T KNOW. THAT WOULD BE UP TO THE CHURCH AT THAT POINT. >> ALL RIGHT. WE WILL PUT SOME HANDICAP PARKING CLOSER TO THE CHURCH PARKING AREA. ANYWAY, WE HAVE ALREADY GOTTEN THE SIGN IN PLACE. WE JUST NEED A POST. IT IS KIND OF NOT WHAT THE BOARD NEEDS TO WORRY ABOUT. WE CAN PUT HANDICAP PARKING JUST ABOUT ANYPLACE. >> IS THE SIGN IN BETWEEN THE HANDICAP RAMP AND THE FRONT DOOR? IS THERE ROOM? THAT DOES NOT LOOK LIKE WITH-WISE, IF BETH SAID IT IS 42 INCHES WIDE -- >> IT WILL NOT SETBACK EXACTLY IN BETWEEN THE RAIL AND THE THING. IT WOULD ACTUALLY BE STUCK -- IT WOULD BE PUT FORWARD. BUT, I MEAN, UNTIL WE GET SOME SORT OF DIRECTION AS TO EXACTLY THE LOCATION THAT WE ARE ZEROING IN ON, I WOULD, YOU KNOW, NOT WANT TO GET TO GO DOWN IN THE WEEDS BEFORE THEY HAVE A LOCATION SET OUT TO REALLY START LOOKING AT. >> WHAT ABOUT TO THE RIGHT OF THE HANDICAP SIGN THAT IS ON THE RIGHT OF THE RED DOOR? >> IS THERE ANYPLACE YOU WANT US TO PUT IT? >> BECAUSE IT IS RIGHT THERE. AND THIS WOULD SEEM LIKE THERE [00:35:08] IS MORE ROOM OVER THERE. >> BUT I WAS TRYING TO ACCOMMODATE THEIR REQUEST TO SEE BOTH THE CHURCH AND THE BUILDING FROM THE SIGN. >> BUT THE CHURCH IS WAY DOWN FAR ON THE RIVERFRONT. AND IF YOU GO DOWN -- IF YOU GO TO SPRING PARK, WHICH IS SOUTH ON ST. JOHN'S, I GUESS, YOU DO NOT SEE THE CHURCH AT ALL AND I KNOW THAT BECAUSE I USED TO DO TOURS AND DRIVING BY THE CHURCH, YOU WOULD HAVE TO BE INSTRUCTED TO ACTUALLY CRANE YOUR AROUND TO ACTUALLY LOOK FOR WHERE THE CHURCH IS AND THAT IS REALLY WHAT WE WANT. >> IS THE STATE MARKER FOR BOTH OF THESE BUILDINGS? >> YES, SIR. >> IT IS NOT JUST FOR ST. MARY'S CHURCH? >> IS THAT STRIP OF GRASS BETWEEN THE ROAD AND THE SIDEWALK -- COULD IT BE ON THE SIDEWALK-SIDE OF THAT GRASS? >> IT COULD BE, BUT THE CHURCH USES THAT AREA FOR PARKING. >> ON THE GRASS THERE? OKAY. >> SO THEY WOULD NOT WANT TO ELIMINATE ANY PARKING AREAS OR POTENTIAL DAMAGE TO THE SIGN. >> YEAH. THAT MAKES SENSE. >> I WOULD SAY MY OPINION IS TO PUT IT WHERE THE CHURCH WANTS IT. YOU KNOW? THE SECOND OPTION SINCE THE FIRST OPTION DOES NOT WORK AT ALL. AND THEN IF IT DOES NOT FIT, COME UP WITH ANOTHER PLAN. BUT THAT IS -- THEY WANT IT THERE WHERE THE DOT IS. WHY NOT? >> I MEAN, IF WE NEED TO CUT DOWN SOME TREES TO MAKE YOUR PEOPLE HAPPY, I DO NOT THINK THERE ARE TREES IN THAT. AND ESPECIALLY NOT LOOKING UP-DOWN. I CUT ONE BACK SO FAR A COUPLE YEARS AGO THAT I THOUGHT IT WAS GOING TO DIE ANYWAY. >> THEY COME BACK. >> TEST IN TWO YEARS, IT CAME BACK. >> I WOULD CALL IT A TREE, BUT IT CAN BE DESCRIBED AS A VEGETABLE AS WELL. SO THE BOARD IS OKAY WITH THE FEASIBILITY OF TAKING OUT THE SECOND OPTION? >> AS FAR AS LOCATION IS CONCERNED? >> IS IT REALLY UP TO THE BOARD? I THOUGHT WE WOULD JUST APPROVE THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE SIGN. >> WELL, BILLY WAS POINTING OUT SINCE HE DOES HAVE KNOWLEDGE ABOUT WHERE SIGNAGE AND FRONTAGE AND HOW IT WOULD IMPACT -- >> WELL, PART OF THE APPLICATION WE ARE PUTTING IN IS WE HAVE TO NAIL DOWN THE LOCATION. AND, I MEAN, AS A BOARD, WE DO HAVE SOME RESPONSIBILITY TO HELP PICK OUT THE BEST LOCATION, I WOULD THINK. NOW, YES, IT IS A COMPROMISE. BUT, I MEAN, WE DON'T WANT TO SPEND THE MONEY AND PUT IT SOMEWHERE THAT IT IS GOING TO BE EASILY DAMAGED. >> WHICH IS WHY WE HAVE ELIMINATED THE FIRST OPTION. BUT THE SECOND OPTION SEEMS VERY VIABLE TO ME. >> I WILL GO UP THERE THIS WEEK AND GET SOME MEASUREMENTS AND EVERYTHING. AND I WILL EMAIL BETH WITH WHAT I FIND. >> TO WE VOTE ON THAT OR NO? >> IT IS JUST OPINION. >> I JUST NEED THE DIRECTION OF THE BOARD ON THAT. >> EXCUSE ME. DID YOU EVER GET SOME CLARIFICATION? WE HAD SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT THE TWO-CITED SIGN VERSUS THE ONE-CITED SIGN. >> CORRECT ME IF I AM WRONG, BETH, BUT THE ONE-CITED SIGN IS ACTUALLY A DOUBLE-CITED SIGN, BUT ONLY ONE MESSAGE. AND THE TWO-CITED SIGN IS ACTUALLY DIFFERENT TEXT. DIFFERENT TEXT ON EACH MARK. >> SO WE ARE ONLY GOING TO GO WITH THE SAME TEXT ON BOTH SIDES JUST SO YOU KNOW THAT. >> I DID NOT REALIZE THEY WOULD PUT THE SAME TEXT ON THE BACKSIDE. >> THAT IS OKAY. >> WELL, CONCERNING THAT, WHICH SIDE OF THE TEXT IT IS GOING TO GO ON, THAT WOULD BE OUR CONSIDERATION AS TO WHERE THEY PLACE THE SIGN BECAUSE IF YOU HAVE IT PARALLEL WITH THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING, WILL PEOPLE STILL BE ABLE TO SEE IT? DO YOU [00:40:02] SEE WHAT I AM SAYING? OR WOULD IT BE VERTICAL TO THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING? >> WELL, I MEAN, I WOULD THINK, BEING FROM MY PERSPECTIVE AS A SIGN GUY, I WOULD SAY THE SAME TEXT ON EACH SIDE AND YOU JUST PICK A SIDE AND HAVE IT FACED THE SIDE OF THE WALL AND THE ROAD. I MEAN, YEAH. IT IS NOT LIKE THIS WHEN YOU ARE WALKING DOWN THE STREET. IT IS LIKE THIS WHERE YOU CAN STOP AND TURN. TO ME, THAT IS NOT THAT BIG OF AN ISSUE. IT IS MORE, WHERE CAN WE PUT IT TO GET THE MOST EYES ON IT AND MAKE EVERYBODY HAPPY AND KEEP IT SAFE. >> IS THIS THE FINAL TEXT, BETH, THAT YOU HANDED OUT? >> THIS IS WHAT MS. GARGLING HOUSE HAS EMAILED TO US. WHAT I PROVIDED WAS ACTUALLY TWO LETTERS OF SUPPORT THAT SHE SUBMITTED IN A TEXT. AND I AM NOT SURE BECAUSE I BELIEVE JERRY AND BILLY ARE WORKING ON THE TEXT. >> I WAS NOT INVOLVED IN THE TEXT. I WAS JUST HELPING TO GET THE GPS LOCATIONS. SO I DO NOT KNOW. MS. BETH, DO YOU KNOW? >> JERRY HAD ISSUES WITH THE LAST PART OF THEIR TALKING ABOUT THE BLUE-LAMINATED, AND SO HE WENT OUT AND MET WITH MR. CRESSMAN AT CAMP BLANDING. AND THAT PERSON WAS TELLING ME THAT IT WAS PLYWOOD AND I KNEW THAT IT WASN'T. SO I MET WITH MR. CRESTMAN, AND MR. CRESTMAN CAME OVER TO THE CHURCH AND HE SAID THERE WAS NO PLYWOOD IN ANY OF THE CHAPEL'S WHATEVER VINTAGE THIS ONE IS. THE NUMBER ESCAPES ME. SO THE PLYWOOD COULD NOT HAVE BEEN IN THOSE CHAPELS. AND IT IS CALLED GLULAM. YOU CAN GOOGLE GLULAM. THAT IS WHAT THE ARCHES ARE MADE OF. THE BOARDS ARE AROUND 10 INCHES WIDE AND ONE INCH THICK THERE. AND THE GLUE IS PRESSED TOGETHER. THEY ARE STRONGER THAN ANYTHING. THAT WAS THE FIRST APPLICATION IN FLORIDA USING THAT PROCESS. AND HE FINALLY AGREED THAT THEY WERE MANUFACTURED IN WISCONSIN AND SHIPPED HERE. AND HE WANTED ME TO ADD THE MILITARY MOBILIZATION CAMP, WHICH I PUT IN THERE. THE FORMER CAMP BLANDING MOBILIZATION CAMP IS MOVED HERE IN 1948. AND THEN HE IS HAPPY WITH -- DR. CHESTMAN IS HAPPY WITH THE LANGUAGE IN THAT PARAGRAPH. I DO NOT KNOW WHETHER JERRY IS HAPPY WITH IT. I HAVE NOT HEARD FROM JERRY. AND I KNOW JERRY WANTED TO HAVE SOME PUNCTUATION CHANGES, WHICH THEY WILL HANDLE WHEN WE GET THIS THING MOVED TO TALLAHASSEE. THEY WILL GET IT SIGNED HERE TO COME. BUT AS FAR AS THE HISTORICAL ACCURACY OF IT, I FEEL THAT WE ARE 100% ACCURATE, AND THAT IS WHAT THIS BOARD IS WORRIED ABOUT. >> AND THIS IS A TREMENDOUS IMPROVEMENT AND SINCE THE FIRST DRAFT IT READS SO CLEARLY AND IT IS SO INTERESTING. >> THANK YOU, DOCTOR. >> THERE ARE TWO LITTLE GLITCHES THERE WITH THE PUNCTUATION. AS YOU SAY, THEY WILL CATCH THOSE, BUT THAT IS ALL I FOUND IN THIS VERSION. I WAS REALLY PLEASED THAT YOU WORKED SO HARD ON IT. IT IS BEAUTIFUL. >> AND THEN YOU GOT IT RIGHT DOWN TO THE LAST CHARACTER. >> WE DO NOT WANT TO MESS WITH IT EVEN MORE UNLESS WE CAN TAKE OUT A,. COMMA. >> THAT IS AN AMAZING FEAT IN ITSELF. >> SO I DO NOT KNOW WHAT YOU ALL HAVE TO DO TO MOVE THIS FORWARD BUT I HOPE YOU CAN. THANK YOU. >> I WILL BE WITH YOU TO SET UP ANOTHER MEETING AND TO DOUBLE CHECK EVERYTHING. AND THEN I WILL REPORT BACK TO THE BOARD AT THE NEXT MEETING. >> RIGHT. OKAY. EXCEPT FOR THAT, I MEAN WE ARE DONE. UNLESS JERRY COMES BACK WITH SOME -- >> WE NEED A REPORT FROM JERRY [00:45:05] ON THE TEXT. HE IS SETTING THAT UP. AND THEN WE WILL DO A FINAL REVIEW HERE AND GET IN DEPTH WITH THE APPLICATION PROCESS. >> DO YOU FORESEE ANY OTHER DELAYS, ANYBODY? >> I MEAN, WITH JERRY NOT HERE I CANNOT SPEAK TO ANYTHING. >> OKAY. ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE GOT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE NOT WORKED ON THE WITH JERRY BUT WITH MOTHER SARAH AT THE CHURCH AND ANOTHER PRIEST AT THE CHURCH AND WITH DR. CRESTMAN AT THE CAMP BLANDING. I AM VERY CONFIDENT IT IS 100%. >> IT IS JUST MORE WORKING OUT THE FINAL DETAILS AT THIS POINT OF THE EXACT TEXT, THE EXACT LOCATION, AND THEN FILLING OUT THE REST OF THE APPLICATION AND MOVING FORWARD WITH IT. BUT WITH JERRY HANDLING THE REVIEW OF THE TEXT, YOU KNOW, WE NEED A REPORT FROM HIM. >> OKAY. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> OKAY. THE MIDDLEBURG MUSEUM CIVIC CENTER. THAT WAS JERRY'S PROJECT AND HE IS NOT HERE. >> THE BRANDON PHILLIPS MARKER HAS BEEN SUBMITTED FOR THEIR REVIEW. I WAS TOLD THAT IT WOULD BE MONTHS BEFORE THEY GET TO IT, MOST LIKELY IN THE FALL. I SPOKE WITH JEREMY AS I SHARED WITH YOU OVER THE PHONE. THE SUPPLEMENTAL PACKAGE IS ALMOST COMPLETE. THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS APPROVED A LETTER OF SUPPORT WHICH I WILL BE ADDING TO THE PACKAGE IMMEDIATELY. AND THEN WE JUST WAIT TO HEAR FROM THEM. THAT IS WHERE WE ARE ON THAT ONE. >> WHEN ARE WE LOOKING AT GETTING THAT APPROVED? >> THEY TOLD US THEY HAVE A BACKLOG AND IT WILL BE MONTHS. HE SAID MOST LIKELY NOT UNTIL THE FALL. >> OKAY. IS THERE ANY WAY WE CAN EARMARK THE MONEY FOR THAT IT TO CARRY IT FOR NEXT YEAR? >> I CAN CHECK ON THAT. I AM NOT SURE THAT WE CAN. YES. WE WILL RUN INTO A FUNDING SITUATION. THE KEYSTONE HEIGHTS I BELIEVE IS THE TWO-SIDED MARKER. THAT IS A BIT MORE EXPENSIVE MARKER. SO THAT WOULD EXCEED OUR $7500 BUDGET. >> YES. THAT IS WHY I WAS TRYING TO GET THE CARRYOVER. [New Business] >> I CAN CHECK INTO THAT. >> OKAY. NEXT, ONTO NEW BUSINESS. BETH SEND OUT -- OR PART OF THE PACKAGE WAS A NEW PROGRAM FOR -- ARE NOT A NEW PROGRAM BUT A MEMBERSHIP INTO THE NATIONAL ALLIANCE PRESERVATION COMMISSION. DID YOU ALL HAPPEN TO GO ONLINE AND TAKE A LOOK AT THE WEBSITE? >> I DID NOT. >> NOR DID I. >> IT LOOKS LIKE A LOT OF THE PROGRAMS THAT THEY OFFER SOUND LIKE TRAININGS OR WEBINARS AND ARE REALLY TOPICS THAT WE COULD USE SOME EDUCATION ON. >> YES. I CHECKED IT OUT AND SAW THERE WERE WEBINARS ON HOW TO SET UP RESERVATIONS, ORDINANCES, AND OTHER THINGS, I THINK, FOR A PRICE OF $150 FOR THE FIRST -- OR FOR THAT YEAR. I THINK IT WOULD BE WAY WORTH THE TIME AND EFFORT TODAY. BECAUSE IT IS MORE OF AN ON YOUR OWN. I CAN WATCH IT ONE WEEK. THEN ONE OF YOU ALL CAN WATCH IT AND WE CAN KIND OF GO AT OUR OWN PACE. >> AND WE DID KIND OF TALK ABOUT THIS AT OUR LAST MEETING. WE JUST DID NOT HAVE ALL THE DETAILS. UNFORTUNATELY, WE WERE KIND OF SWAMPED AND DID NOT GET TO IT. BUT I AM ALL FOR THE EDUCATION AND LEARNING MORE ABOUT WHAT WE NEED TO KNOW AS A [00:50:01] GROUP. >> AND A LOT OF THE RESOURCES YOU COULD NOT GET INTO DETAIL UNTIL YOU BECOME A MEMBER, BUT EVERYTHING I SAW WHAT LOOKED LIKE IT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL SO I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON THIS NEW BUSINESS. >> I HAD ONE QUESTION. FIRST, MAYBE, BETH, MAYBE YOU COULD ANSWER. IT SEEMED LIKE THERE WAS A 15 MINUTE -- OR RATHER $15 CHARGE FOR EACH OF THE WEBINARS. IF EACH OF US WATCHED ONE, IT WOULD BE $15 A PIECE. >> I BELIEVE IT IS INCLUDED IN MEMBERSHIP. I BELIEVE IT IS ONLY $15 IF YOU ARE NOT A MEMBER, BUT I BELIEVE BETH COULD GO A LITTLE FURTHER INTO IT. >> HONESTLY, I DON'T KNOW. I KIND OF THOUGHT IT WAS ALL INCLUDED. >> THAT WOULD BE FANTASTIC. >> JUST AS A COMMISSION THEN, WE WOULD ALL BE MEMBERS. MEMBERS AND STAFF. IT ALL HELPS. ANYWAYS. >> I THINK THAT IS A GREAT IDEA. >> DO WE WANT TO TABLE THIS UNTIL NEXT MONTH AND LET HER COME BACK WITH THE $50 VERSUS $150. >> THAT IS WHAT I -- THAT IS THE WAY I READ IT. YEAH. BUT THIS DOCTOR HAD A QUESTION ABOUT IT AND I THOUGHT MAYBE I READ WRONG. >> EVEN IF WE HAD TO PAY $15 A PIECE, IT IS A TREMENDOUS PRICE. >> OR WORST CASE, IF YOU APPROVED A $15 EXPENDITURE, IF WE COULD SET UP A TIME THAT YOU COME AND WATCH IT AS A GROUP. >> AND THAT COULD BE USEFUL, TOO, FOR SOME OF THOSE PROJECTS. >> OR RIGHT BEFORE OUR MEETING. >> THAT IS A GOOD IDEA. >> IS THAT SOMETHING WE NEED TO MAKE A MOTION ON? >> SO THIS WOULD COME OUT OF THE MONEY WE HAD SET ASIDE FOR THE TRAINING PART OF OUR BUDGET, OUR TENTATIVE BUDGET FOR THE YEAR. SO LIKE I SAID, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. >> I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO SPEND THE MONEY NECESSARY TO TAKE PART IN ALL OF THE TRAININGS THAT WOULD PREPARE US FOR THIS PROGRAM. >> SECOND. >> OKAY. >> DO WE NEED TO SEE A DOLLAR AMOUNT? >> ACTUALLY, THE QUESTION IS WHETHER OR NOT IT WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE TO THE BOARD TO SPEND THE $150 FOR THE GROUP MEMBERSHIP. SPENDING $150 ON THE GROUP MEMBERSHIP. >> OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR? >> AYE. >> SO CARRIED. AND THAT BRINGS US BACK TO THE OTHER [Public Comment] [Staff Comments] SETTLEMENTS. SEE NONE, WE WILL CLOSE THAT. STAFF COMMENTS? >> I REALLY HAVE NOTHING. WELL, ACTUALLY, I HAVE A COUPLE THINGS. WE HAVE FIVE VACANCIES ON THE BOARD. AND WE HAVE -- LET ME PULL UP THIS MAP TO SHOW YOU THE LOCATION -- DISTRICTS 1, 2, AND 3 HAVE VACANCIES. >> IT IS NOT SHOWING UP, BETH. >> IT WELL. SO DISTRICT 1 THE FLEMING ISLAND AREA OVER TO COLLEGE DRIVE AND UP TOWARDS BLANDING. DISTRICT 2 IS BASICALLY THE WESTSIDE OF BLANDING ON A FIRST COAST EXPRESSWAY UP TO THE COUNTY LINE. DISTRICT 3 IS BASICALLY WHERE DISTRICT 1 DROPS OFF, AND THE COLLEGE DRIVE AND PLANTING AREA, AND FOLLOWING BLANDING UP TOWARDS ORANGE PARK. SO, AGAIN, WE HAVE OPENINGS FOR DISTRICT 1, 2, OR 3. AND THERE ARE FIVE SPOTS AVAILABLE. YOU CAN ALSO BE FROM DISTRICT 4, WHICH IS THE ONE YOU CANNOT BE FROM -- THE ONE YOU CANNOT BE FROM HIS [00:55:04] THE GREEN COAST HOOKS'S DISTRICT. SO IF SOMEONE IS INTERESTED IN JOINING THE BOARD, IF THEY WILL GO ON OUR WEBSITE AND LOOK UNDER COMMITTEES, THERE IS A FORM TO FILL OUT TO SUBMIT YOUR REQUEST TO JOIN ONE OF THE COMMITTEES. AND WE HAVE LOTS OF COMMITTEES YOU CAN SERVE ON WITH THE COUNTY. BUT PARTICULARLY ON THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD MEMBERSHIP. I WILL NOT BE HERE AT THE NEXT MEETING. THERE WILL BE OTHER STAFF. I WILL BE AT A PLANNING CONFERENCE. [Board Member's Comments] >> OKAY. GOING TO BOARD COMMENTS. I WILL START. ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS? >> I HAVE NONE. >> NOTHING HERE OTHER THAN, IT SEEMS WE ARE MOVING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION WITH SOME OF THESE STATE MARKERS AND IT SEEMS LIKE IT TAKES FOREVER TO GET THAT THING ROLLING DOWN THE HILL. BUT, HOPEFULLY, ALL OF OUR EFFORTS WILL PRODUCE NICE EFFECT AND EVERYTHING. SO I AM PROUD TO BE HERE AND WORK WITH ALL OF YOU. >> A COUPLE THINGS. CAN YOU TELL ME , THIS IS JUST A QUESTION ON GPS, BECAUSE YOU SEEM TO BE THE GURU ON THAT, CAN YOU STAND AT JUST A LOCATION WITH YOUR PHONE AND GET THE EXACT GPS COORDINATE? PERFECT. THAT IS ALL I NEEDED TO KNOW. >> I CAN SHOW YOU HOW TO DO IT. >> I CAN FIGURE THAT OUT. >> ALL YOU DO IS TAKE A SCREENSHOT OF THE COORDINATE. >> I PERSONALLY DOWNLOADED AN APP AND IT GIVES YOU GPS COORDINATES. >> OKAY. THAT IS GOOD. THAT IS GOING TO BE MY NEXT STEP IN FINDING OUT IN THIS AREA RIGHT HERE WHERE EXACTLY THAT MARKER IS GOING TO GO FOR KEYSTONE. >> AND THAT SPOT, THE GPS COORDINATES WILL REPRESENT THE VERY CENTER OF A FOUR FOOT SQUARE. IS THAT CORRECT? >> I THINK THAT IS WHAT THEY DID AT THE END OF THE MARKER. >> WITH AUGUSTUS SAVAGE, IT WAS JUST REALLY WHERE WE EXPECTED THE POST TO BE, SO WE ALSO HAVE TO SEND A MAP THAT SHOWS THE LOCATION AND THERE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE PHOTOGRAPHS WITH SOMETHING STANDING IN FOR THE MARKER, BE IT A POST, A PERSON, OR SOMETHING. I THINK I USED MY PURSE. >> I THINK I WAS TOLD THAT WHEN WE WERE WORKING ON THE SLIM WHITMAN STATE MARKER, BECAUSE IT WAS CLOSE TO THE ROAD AND YOU DID NOT NEED TO KNOW WHERE THE CENTER IS. SO ANYWAY I AM GOOD. >> I JUST HAVE ONE OTHER COMMENT. I THINK I AM ONE OF THE NEWER MEMBERS. YOU KNOW? WE GOT THIS BINDER OF INFORMATION. AND, OF COURSE, YOU GO ONLINE AND LOOK THINGS UP AND YOU READ THROUGH IT. BUT A LOT OF IT, IT DOES NOT SHELL AS A COHESIVE MATCH OF WHAT EXACTLY WE DO HERE. AND I THINK WE -- IT SAYS WE HAVE SO MANY NEW APPLICANTS THAT WE ARE GOING TO HAVE COMING ON BOARD. IT WOULD BE REALLY HELPFUL, I THINK, IF WE HAD AN ORIENTATION PROCESS. JUST SOMEONE ONE-ON-ONE TO SAY LET'S GO THROUGH THIS. HERE IS WHAT WE DO. HERE IS HOW THIS WORKS. IT IS NOT ALL COOKIE-CUTTER BECAUSE EVERY ONE OF THESE MARKERS OR BUILDINGS THAT WE ARE GOING TO PRESERVE OR WHATEVER THE SITUATION IS, THEY ARE NOT ALL EXACTLY THE SAME. THERE ARE NUANCES TO EVERYTHING. BUT, IN GENERAL, HERE IS WHERE YOU SHOULD GO. HERE IS WHO YOU SHOULD TALK TO FOR THIS. AND HAVE ALL OF THE PHONE NUMBERS AND HAVE ALL OF THAT INFORMATION. IT WOULD JUST CUT DOWN ON THE LOT AND IT WOULD ALSO PROVIDE FOR SINCE WE DO NOT SPEAK TO EACH OTHER OUTSIDE OF THE ROOM UNLESS WE HAVE A SUBCOMMITTEE ON SOMETHING THAT WE ARE ALREADY WORKING ON, A NEW PERSON COMING ON BOARD WOULD FIND IT A LOT FRIENDLIER IF THEY HAD SOMEONE [01:00:07] TO JUST SIT DOWN WITH THEM AND SAY HERE ARE THE THINGS WE HAVE BEEN WORKING ON AS A GROUP. HERE IS WHAT WE HAVE GOT IN PLAY. AND THAT KIND OF THING. BECAUSE OTHERWISE, IT IS KIND OF A LEARN AS YOU GO. IT WOULD BE NICE TO JUST KIND OF KNOW WHAT HAS HAPPENED IN THE LAST SIX MONTHS AND HOW THAT COULD IMPACT SOMEONE THAT IS JUST COMING ON BOARD. AND SINCE WE HAVE SO MANY PEOPLE THAT COULD POTENTIALLY BE COMING ON BOARD, WHAT DID YOU SAY? WE HAVE HOW MANY OPENINGS? FIVE VACANCIES? A LOT OF PEOPLE TO NOT KNOW ANYTHING. JUST AN IDEA. >> WELL, ANNUALLY, WE ARE SUPPOSED TO GO THROUGH WHAT YOUR DUTIES ARE. THAT IS ONE OF THE THINGS WE ARE SUPPOSED TO REFRESH AS WELL AS THE SUNSHINE LAW. SO WE CAN CERTAINLY PUT TOGETHER SOMETHING FOR NEW MEMBERS. >> WELL, YOU KNOW, I AM HAPPY TO KIND OF HEAD THAT UP, TOO, IF NEW MEMBERS WANTED TO MEET WITH ME AFTER A MEETING OR PRIOR TO THE MEETING. YOU KNOW? IT IS NOT ANYTHING THAT WE ARE GOING TO BE VOTING ON. IT WILL JUST BE KIND OF AN OVERVIEW OF WHAT WE DO, WHAT IS KIND OF IN THIS PACKET OF EVERYTHING THEY GET, AND ALL OF THE DIFFERENT WEBSITES AND WHERE YOU WILL GO FOR WHAT. AND JUST THE THINGS THAT WE ARE ALREADY CURRENTLY WORKING ON. YOU JUST WOULD NOT KNOW THAT IF YOU SHOWED UP THE FIRST DAY. >> WELL, WE DO HAVE THIS LIST WHICH I THINK IS TREMENDOUSLY HELPFUL WHERE WE TOUCH ON EACH OF THE ONGOING PROJECTS, AND THAT MAKES A REAL DIFFERENCE FOR ME. >> SURE. JUST FOR THE AGENDA. WE KNOW WHAT THESE PROJECTS ARE AND WHAT IS ENTAILED BECAUSE WE ARE ABSORBED IN ALL OF THIS. WE UNDERSTAND EVERYTHING ABOUT THE MIDDLEBURG COLORED SCHOOL. YOU KNOW? WE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT IT FOR A WHILE. AND ALL OF THESE OTHER SITUATIONS. BUT SOMEONE JUST COMING ON BOARD WHO HAD NEVER BEEN ON A PRESERVATION BOARD BEFORE WOULD NOT HAVE ANY UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THIS IS. I AM JUST SAYING, GIVE THEM KIND OF THE HEADS UP. GIVE THEM 15 OR 20 MINUTES OR EVEN MORE TIME THAN THAT. BUT JUST HAVING A LITTLE BIT OF AN ORIENTATION OVER AND ABOUT THE SUNSHINE LAW. >> I THINK A COUPLE OF THOSE WEBINARS ACTUALLY FOCUS ON -- >> AND THAT MIGHT BE THE KEY. THAT ONE OF THOSE WEBINARS MIGHT BE EXACTLY WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT. I JUST DID NOT GO THROUGH ANY OF THEM. >> CERTAINLY, I WILL LOOK INTO IT. ONCE WE GET THE MEMBERSHIP, WE CAN CERTAINLY COMPILE A LIST. AS SOMEONE JOINS, WE CAN COMPILE A LIST WITH THE LATEST VERBIAGE THAT YOU HAVE WORKED ON FOR EACH OF THESE MARKERS OR THE SORT OF STATUS. THEY ALSO COULD WATCH THE MINUTES AND SEE THE AGENDA PACKAGES THAT ARE AVAILABLE ONLINE. TYPICALLY WHEN SOMEONE JOINS THE COMMITTEE, THEY TEND TO RESEARCH WHAT THE COMMITTEES HAVE BEEN IN THE PAST SO THEY ARE PREPARED. >> BUT WE HAVE HAD JUST A LOT OF TURNOVER. AND SO I AM JUST SAYING. >> EATING IS NOT ALLOWED IN THIS ROOM. CORRECT? >> WHAT IS THAT? >> EATING IS NOT ALLOWED IN THIS ROOM? >> I KNOW BEVERAGES ARE ALLOWED. YOU KNOW? I DO NOT KNOW THAT THERE HAS BEEN ANYTHING SAID. >> WELL, YOU KNOW, I WAS THINKING OF CUPCAKES AND BRINGING THEM IN. >> YOU WOULD PROBABLY BE ALLOWED TO DO THAT. >> I AM SORRY. >> DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE? >> DID YOU WANT ME TO SPEAK ABOUT THE ROUNDTABLE? >> IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND. >> LAST FRIDAY, THE CLAY COUNTY HISTORICAL ROUNDTABLE MET, AND I THINK AS MOST OF YOU KNOW, IT IS AN INFORMAL GROUP THAT GETS TOGETHER MAYBE ONCE EVERY FEW MONTHS OR EVERY QUARTER, AND IT HAS REPRESENTATIVES FROM ALL THE LOCAL HISTORY ORGANIZATIONS. HISTORY SOCIETIES. THE ARCHIVES. I WAS [01:05:03] THERE, NOT REPRESENTING THE BOARD, BUT AS A PERSON FROM THE BOARD. IT WAS INTERESTING BECAUSE IT WAS THE FIRST TIME I ATTENDED THE MEETING. WE MET OVER AT THE HISTORICAL COURTHOUSE. ABOUT 25 OR 30 PEOPLE WERE THERE FOR THE 2 1/2 OR THREE HOUR GET-TOGETHER. AND EACH PERSON GAVE SORT OF AN OVERVIEW OF THEIR ORGANIZATION, WHAT THEY ARE WORKING ON, AND ALSO WHAT SOME OF THEIR ISSUES OR STUMBLING BLOCKS ARE. AND I DO NOT KNOW IF I WAS SURPRISED, BUT IT IS AN ISSUE WE CERTAINLY HAVE. TOO FEW VOLUNTEERS. TOO LITTLE MONEY. HARD TO ATTRACT YOUTH TO THE ORGANIZATION. AND THEN DO HAVE MONTHLY MEETINGS OR QUARTERLY MEETINGS? SOME PEOPLE ARE FINDING THAT IN LIKE ORANGE PARK THAT A QUARTERLY MEETING BRINGS IN BETTER ATTENDANCE WHEREAS THE MONTHLY MEETINGS HAVE KIND OF DROPPED OFF. SO IT WAS INTERESTING TO GO TO KNOW THAT WE ALL FACE THE SAME ISSUES, BUT AT LEAST WE ARE TALKING TO ONE ANOTHER AND A LOT OF SHARING OF RESOURCES, I THINK, IS ALREADY GOING ON. THE ONE THING THEY ARE PROPOSING WHICH I FOUND REALLY INTERESTING IS TO SUPPORT THE DEVELOPMENT OF A LOCAL YOUTH HISTORICAL SOCIETY . PEOPLE, ABOUT 13 TO 18 YEARS OLD. AND IT WOULD BE YOUTH LED. SO THEY WOULD GET SOME PARAMETERS AND MEET PERIODICALLY WITH ADULTS BUT THEY WOULD FIGURE OUT THE RESEARCH AND, YOU KNOW, COME FOR HELP WHEN THEY NEEDED IT BUT APPARENTLY IT WAS TRIED BEFORE AND WHEN ADULTS WERE TELLING THEM WHAT TO DO IT DID NOT WORK OUT THAT WELL. SO THIS IS A NEW APPROACH. AND I THINK IS IT STEPHANIE, THE NEW PERSON ON THE TOURISM BOARD. >> SAMANTHA. >> SAMANTHA. SHE JUST GAVE US A BUNCH OF GREAT IDEAS THAT THEY CAN MANAGE FROM TOURISM TO ATTRACT YOUNG PEOPLE IN REALLY EFFECTIVE WAYS, AND SHE AND A COUPLE OF THE OTHER YOUNGER PEOPLE WHO WERE THERE IN THAT GROUP OF GRAY-HAIRED PEOPLE REALLY SHOWED THAT THE YOUNGER PEOPLE CAN BRING IN A SURPRISING AMOUNT OF ENERGY AND INTEREST WHEN THEY ARE JUST INVITED, SO IT WAS A REALLY WONDERFUL DAY. I THINK THEY ARE GOING AROUND AND GETTING ONE BOARD MEMBER AT A TIME SO THERE IS NO CONFLICT WITH ATTENDANCE. BUT IT IS A GREAT GROUP OF PEOPLE AND THEY ALSO MOVED THE MEETINGS AROUND. SO IF YOU ARE WILLING TO HOST A MEETING, LET US NOW. >> I HAVE ONE THING FOR YOU ALL TO TAKE A LOOK AT. I AM THINKING THAT IS IT NOW. >> OH, MY GOODNESS. >> WHILE OUT CHECKING THE COUNTY FOR SOME SIGN ISSUES, I CAME ACROSS THIS SIGN AT WOLF WHARF STREET AND MAIN STREET AND PALMETTO STREET. WHERE THOSE THREE STREETS MEET. AS YOU CAN SEE, THIS SIGN IS IN VERY BAD SHAPE. AND I DO NOT KNOW WHO PUT IT UP. I DO NOT KNOW WHO MADE IT OR WHATEVER. BUT IT LOOKS LIKE SOME SORT OF HISTORICAL SIGNAGE. AND I WAS WONDERING IF ANYBODY ON THE BOARD KNEW ANYTHING ABOUT IT. >> I WILL GO TO MASTER SITE FILE AND TYPE IN THOMPSON DOTS AND IF THERE IS ANYTHING IT WILL COME UP . >> ISN'T THERE ANYTHING IN THERE WHICH IS PART OF THE NATIONAL REGISTER? >> YEAH. THERE IS A MASTER REGISTER. IF YOU GO TO THE FILE AND TYPE THIS IN, IT SHOULD POP RIGHT UP. AND THEN IF IT DOES NOT, THEN YOU KNOW IT DID NOT COME FROM US. >> BECAUSE I DID NOT KNOW IF IT WAS SOMETHING PUT UP BY PREVIOUS BOARDS OR A GROUP OF, YOU KNOW, LIKE LOCAL -- HOW THERE IS A GREEN COVE HISTORICAL SOCIETY, A KEYSTONE HISTORICAL SOCIETY. I DO NOT KNOW IF IT WAS BUILT BY ONE OF THEM, BUT I WAS JUST TRYING TO FIND OUT SOME OF THAT INFORMATION. >> THAT DOES NOT LOOK THAT OFFICIAL. YOU ARE RIGHT. [01:10:05] >> I MEAN, IT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT -- I KNOW I WAS SENT OUT THERE TO STRAIGHTEN IT UP BECAUSE IT WAS SO BAD YEARS AGO. BUT WE WERE NOT TASKED WITH UPKEEP OR ANYTHING OF IT. SO I DID NOT KNOW . I FIGURED I WOULD ASK THE BOARD IF THEY KNEW ANYTHING ABOUT IT AND APPARENTLY EVERYBODY DOES SO I AM CHECKING YOUR MASTER FILE AND GOING FROM THERE. >> THAT BRINGS UP A GOOD POINT THOUGH. ONCE A MARKER IS UP, WHO MAINTAINS IT? >> THE OWNER. >> THE STATE HAS AN INDIVIDUAL ACTUALLY THAT GOES AROUND AND CHECKS THE MARKERS. THE OWNER MAINTAINS AROUND IT. THE LANDSCAPE AROUND IT. >> SO IF IT WAS A CITY, THE CITY WOULD TAKE CARE OF IT. WHETHER IT WAS ORANGE PARK -- >> THE CITY WOULD TAKE CARE OF IT. THE PERSON FROM THE STATE GOES AROUND AND CHECKS AND WOULD PREPARE ANY DATA. DATA FOR OFFICIAL STATE MARKERS. >> I GUESS WE WILL SEE THOUGH. * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.