PROCLAMATIONS/RESOLUTIONS

[30. Approval of the FY 24/25 Maximum Millage Rates and setting the date, time and location for the First Public Hearing for the adoption of the FY 2024/2025 Clay County Tentative Budget]

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RATE. MILLAGE RATE. >> CHAIRMAN AT COMMISSIONERS, GOOD AFTERNOON. JUST AN ASSIGNED, HELP IN THE LAST ITEM , JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE SHE WAS RECOGNIZED. OKAY, AGAIN FOR TONIGHT IN THE NEW BUSINESS ITEM, ON THE AGENDA, TO SET THE MAX MILLAGE. I HAVE STATUTORY REQUIRED COMMENTS. YOU ALL SHOULD EACH HAVE A COPY FROM THE MEETING THIS MORNING AT THE WORKSHOP TO FOLLOW ALONG.

ESTABLISHMENT OF THE COUNTY ANNUAL BUDGET THE STATE OF FLORIDA MANDATES THE COUNTY FOLLOW TRUTH IN MILLAGE PROCESS GOVERNED BY THE FLORIDA STATUTE CHAPTER 200 AND FLORIDA ADMINISTERED OF CODE CHAPTER 12 , THIS PROCESS REQUIRES THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS TO ADVISE PROPERTY APPRAISER OF APPROVE MAXIMUM MILLAGE RATE AND PROVIDE THE DATE, TIME AND PLACE AT WHICH THE FIRST PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE HELD BE A CERTIFICATION THAT THE DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE , 420 FORMS WITHIN 35 DAYS OF THE PROPERTY APPRAISER CERTIFICATION OF THE COUNTY TAXABLE PROPERT VALUE. COUNTY STAFF HAS PROPOSED MILLAGE RATE CALCULATIONS BASED ON CERTIFIED FINAL TAXABLE VALUE ENSURING ALL REQUEST OF THE COUNTY CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICERS AND THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS STAFF RECEIVE FAIR EVALUATION AT APPROPRIATION. CLAY COUNTY PROPERTY APPRAISER PRESENTS INFORMATION TO PROPERTY OWNERS VIA THE RECEIPT OF THEIR NOTICE. FY 2024-2025 RECOMMENDED BUDGET PRESENTED TO YOU IS BALANCED AND BASED ON NO INCREASE IN THE OVERALL CURRENT MILLAGE RATE. TWO OPTIONS ARE PRESENTED TO THE BOARD FOR SELECTION AND APPROVAL OF MILLAGE RATES. I WILL NOW PROVIDE WHAT THE TWO OPTIONS ARE. OPTION ONE, THE MAXIMUM ALLOWED OF MILLAGE IN THE FOLLOWING TABLE BELOW. THAT SHOWS 9.6061 AD VALOREM RATE AND THE CHANGE AS LISTED. OPTION NUMBER TWO ON PAGE 2 IS THE CURRENT AND PROPOSED MILLAGE RATE AND IT IS STAFF RECOMMENDATION OPTION NUMBER TWO. CURRENT PROPOSED MILLAGE RATE OF THE CLAY COUNTY BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS FISCAL 24-25 ARE LISTED BELOW WITH A TOTAL OF 8.601. I WILL REPEAT THE MILLAGE RATES ABOVE COUNTY SERVICES 5.5471. UNINCORPORATED SERVICES 0.1477, LAW ENFORCEMENT 2.4014, FIRE CONTROL MSTU 0.0548, LAKE ASBURY ZERO, CHALLENGER CENTER MSTU 3.0 TOTALING 8.601. THERE ARE TWO ACTION ITEMS NEEDED TODAY AND REQUIRED. A ROLL CALL VOTE WHICH WE WILL CONDUCT ON THE THREE ROLLCALL VOTES, ONE, TWO AND THREE TO PROVE MAXIMUM MILLAGE RATES. THE THREE VOTES ARE NECESSARY IN RESPONSE TO THE NEW DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE SOFTWARE SYSTEM. SO I WOULD ASK FIRST ON THE OPTIONS ABOVE, OPTION ONE OR TWO THAT THE BOARD INDICATES THEY WOULD CONCUR, HAVE CONCURRENCE OF GOING WITH OPTION NUMBER TWO AND MAINTAINING THE CURRENT MILLAGE RATE. DO I HAVE CONCURRENCE?

>> YES. >> NOW I WILL READ OFF VOTE NUMBER ONE AND REQUIREMENT AND AREAS IT WILL COVER AND WE WILL CONDUCT ROLLCALL VOTE, VOTE NUMBER ONE REQUIRING MAJORITY VOTE. COUNTY SERVICES, UNINCORPORATED SERVICES MSTU

AND FIRE CONTROL MSTU. >>

>> UNANIMOUS. >> NUMBER TWO REQUIRING 2/3

VOTE LAW-ENFORCEMENT MSTU. >>

>> UNANIMOUS. >> THINK IT. PHONE NUMBER THREE UNANIMOUS VOTE CHALLENGER MSTU.

>> UNANIMOUS. >> EXCELLENT, THANK YOU. THANK

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YOU CHAIR AND COMMISSIONERS. APPROVED ATTACHMENT USED TO CREATE FORM DR 420 AND THE TEAM WILL HANDLE THAT ALONG WITH THE PROPERTY APPRAISER AND SUBMIT THAT. THESE MILLAGE RATES CAN BE LOWERED, BUT CANNOT BE INCREASED MOVING FORWARD. NOW, ABLE TO SCHEDULE THE PUBLIC HEARINGS FOR ADOPTION OF CLAY COUNTY FY 23 4-2025 ANNUAL BUDGET, THE FIRST PUBLIC BUDGET HEARING PROPOSED FOR TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 10, 2024 TIME 5:05 P.M. OR THEREAFTER HERE AT THE CLAY COUNTY BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS FOURTH FLOOR BOARDROOM. SECOND AND FINAL PUBLIC HEARING IS PROPOSED TUESDAY, CENTRUM THE 24TH, 2020 FOR THE TIME 5:05 P.M. AT THE CLAY COUNTY BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS FOURTH FLOOR BOARDROOM. I WOULD ASK OR WE DON'T NEED A ROLL CALL VOTE ON THIS ONE. WE WOULD JUST ASK THE CHAIRMAN TO LOOK FOR A MOTION TO APPROVE BOTH OF THOSE

HEARING DATES. >> COUNTY ATTORNEY WE CAN DO BOTH IN ONE MOTION? MOTION TO APPROVE SEPTEMBER 10 AS THE FIRST BUDGET HEARING AND SEPTEMBER 24 AS THE FINAL.

>> MOTION AND SECOND. COMMENTS, QUESTIONS CONCERNS? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE, ANY NAY'S LIKE SIGN.

>> CHAIRMAN, THAT CONCLUDES READING INTO THE RECORD AND SETTING MAX MILLAGE. CHAIRMAN, I TURNED BACK OVER TO YOU AND COMMISSIONERS FOR FINAL COMMENTS. THANK YOU.

>> OKAY. WE ARE AT 5:00 CERTAIN. WE HAVE TWO MINUTES TO SPARE, THIS IS A FIRST I THINK RIGHT

>> MR. CHAIRMAN WHILE BRIAN CAMPBELL IS HERE, FROM THE CONGRESSMAN'S OFFICE, WE MIGHT TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO THANK THE CONGRESSMAN, FOR HIS WORK. RYAN'S WORK AND ON BEHALF OF MY CONSTITUENTS IN CLAY HILL, WE WOULD LIKE FOR THE PUBLIC TO KNOW THAT EFFECTIVE AUGUST 24, IF YOU LIVE IN 32234, YOU CAN PUT ON YOUR MAIL THAT YOU LIVE IN CLAY HILL FLORIDA AND IT WILL NOT BE REJECTED BY THE POSTAL SERVICE. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I WAS PASSIONATE ABOUT, BUT I HAVE NOT BEEN THE ONLY ONE. IT HAS BEEN 30 SOME ODD YEARS THAT THE CLAY HILL NEIGHBORS HAVE BEEN LOOKING FOR THIS. AS RECOGNITION OF WHERE THEY LIVED. IF YOU DON'T KNOW, THEY HAVE HAD TO PUT JACKSONVILLE OR BALDWIN ON THEIR MAIL TO GET IT PROPERLY DELIVERED AND THEY DON'T LIVE IN JACKSONVILLE OR BALDWIN, THEY LIVE IN CLAY HILL, FLORIDA. PLEASE PASS THANKS TO CONGRESSMAN BEAN AND LAURA WANT ME TO PUT OUT ON SOCIAL MEDIA.

I'M SURE CHARISSE IS TEXTING HER MOM, THE CLAY HILL RUMOR MILL. SO ANYWAY, WE WILL GET THE MESSAGE OUT, THOSE IN CLAY HILL, AUGUST 24, YOU HAVE TO WAIT ANOTHER MONTH. THAT I TALK

LONG ENOUGH? >> MAKE SURE AUGUST 24. WHO KNOWS WHAT THE POST OFFICE WILL DO BEFORE AUGUST 24.

>> THANK YOU FOR THAT PRIVILEGE.

[31. Final Public Hearing to Consider the Community Development Block Grant (CDBG) Annual Action Plan for FY 2024-25 (M. Covey/G. Gunn)]

>> THANK YOU, TIMING IS PERFECT. NOW AT 5:00 CERTAIN, ITEM NUMBER 31 IS FINAL PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BLOCK GRANT ANNUAL ACTION PLAN

>> GOOD EVENING IS THE FINAL PUBLIC HEARING FOR OUR COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BLOCK ANNUAL ACTION PLAN FISCAL YEAR 25 DURING PUBLIC COMMENT WHICH OPENED IN JUNE, WE ASKED RESIDENTS FOR FEEDBACK ON HOW TO USE OUR FUNDS AND OVERWHELMINGLY THE NUMBER ONE PRIORITY MENTIONED WAS INFRASTRUCTURE. THE SECOND PRIORITY WAS HOME REHAB. YOU WILL SEE THE BUDGET, PROPOSED BUDGET FY 25 REFLECTS THAT. WE HAVE 61% OF THE FUNDS ALLOCATED

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TO INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS WHICH ARE OUR PAVING PROJECTS AND RESURFACING PROJECTS AND SIDEWALKS. AND THEN WE HAVE 35% FOR THE HOME REHAB PROGRAM RUN BY COMMUNITY SERVICES AND WE HAVE ALLOCATED 4% IN ADMINISTRATION COST FOR THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR. WILL ENTER YOUR FOUR OF FIVE FOR THE CONSOLIDATED PLAN SO NEXT SPRING WE WILL START THAT PLANNING PROCESS FOR THE NEXT FIVE-YEAR CONSOLIDATED PLAN SO WE WANTED TWO SURE WE HAD SOME ADMINISTRATION DOLLARS ALLOCATED WE ALSO TOOK A LOOK ABOUT THE NUMBER OF INDIVIDUALS IN A FITTING BY THE NEIGHBORHOOD CLEANUP PROGRAM AND WE DID GO AHEAD AND INCREASE THAT ESTIMATE TO INDIVIDUALS BENEFITING FROM 100 TO 3000 BASED ON TARGET AREAS THAT COMMUNITY SERVICES IS WORKING WITH. THAT'S THE NEW GOAL FY 25, OTHERWISE THE PLAN IS THE SAME AS WHENWE PRESENTED IN JUNE. PENDING FINAL COMMENTS TONIGHT WE ARE ASKING FOR AUTHORIZATION TO SUBMIT THE ANNUAL ACTION PLAN BY AUGUST THINK -- 15TH AND THE PLAN INCLUDES RESOLUTION TO GET THE COUNTY MANAGER AUTHORIZATION TO SUBMIT RELATED DOCUMENTATION TO THE PLAN TO HUD.

>> ANY QUESTIONS ON THE ACTION PLAN 24-25? SEEING NONE I WILL TAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE ACTION PLAN AND FOR THE RESOLUTION TO GO TO. PUBLIC HEARING SORRY ABOUT THAT.

OPENING PUBLIC HEARING FOR THIS ACTION PLAN TO GO TO HUD.

COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BLOCK GRANT. SEEING NONE AND HEARING ON CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING BRINGING BACK TO THE QUESTION.

>> MOVE APPROVAL. >> SECOND.

>> MOTION AND SECOND, COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS? HEARING NON-SEEING NONE ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? ANY NAY'S LIKE SIGN. PASSES UNANIMOUS.

[32. First Public Hearing to consider Transmittal of COMP 24-0006. (District 5, Comm. Burke) (D. Selig)]

ITEM NUMBER 32 FIRST OF THE HEARING CONSIDERED TRANSMITTAL OF THE COMP PLAN IN A COMPANION ZONE.

>> GOOD EVENING. THIS ITEM IS A LARGE-SCALE CONFERENCE OF PLAN , 24-006. THE APPLICANT HAS REQUESTED THE ITEM BE CONTINUED TO THE OCTOBER 22 MEETING. THEY ARE HERE AND CANNOT PRESENT, I CAN PRESENT IF YOU WOULD LIKE HOWEVER THEY REQUESTED A CONTINUANCE. MY UNDERSTANDING IS THEY WANT TO DO SOME TRAFFIC STUDIES , BUT IF YOU HAVE FURTHER QUESTIONS I WILL LET YOU ASK. WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO PRESENT? OR WHAT IS YOUR

PREFERENCE? >> I GUESS I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FURTHER DELIBERATIONS ON THE TRAFFIC STUDY. I DON'T KNOW IF

YOU OR THEY CAN DO THAT. >> I WOULD ASK THEM TO EXPLAIN WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE THE CONTINUANCE FOR TIMEWISE AND WITH A HOPE TO ACCOMPLISH BETWEEN NOW AND OCTOBER.

>> CAN THE APPLICANT ADDRESS REASON FOR CONTINUANCE?

>> THANK YOU.

>> WE NEED TO SWEAR IN. >> I HAVE TO SWEAR THEM IN?

>> EVERYBODY. >> ANYTIME WE HAVE A ZONING CHANGE, AND IT WAS TO SPEAK IT IS A JUDICIAL PROCESS AND WE HAVE TO SWEAR YOU SO IF YOU INTEND TO SPEAK ON ANY ZONING ACTION WE MAY TAKE ON THE AGENDA HERE TONIGHT WE NEED YOU TO CONGREGATE IN THE CENTER AISLE AND WE WILL SWEAR YOU IN.

>> THESE ARE ITEMS READY TO THROUGH 38.

>> ACCEPT FOR 35. NO HARM NO FOUL.

>> DO YOU SOLEMNLY SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE TESTIMONY YOU ARE ABOUT TO GIVE WILL BE THE WHOLE TRUTH, NOTHING BUT THE

TRUTH SO HELP YOU GOD? >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YOU MAY

PROCEED. >> ADDRESS ,

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WOULD APPRECIATE AND REQUEST CONTINUATION. WE HAVE HEARD FROM RESIDENTS THEIR CONCERNS ABOUT INFRASTRUCTURE SO WE WOULD LIKE TO ANALYZE ALL OF THE STRUCTURE PROJECTS THAT ARE COMING ONLINE PRIOR TO OUR CONSTRUCTION OF HOMES AND THAT INCLUDES CATHEDRAL OAKS, HOW THE OPENING THAT AFFECTS 315.

OTHER RIGHT TURN LANE MAY AFFECT 315 THAT WE ARE PROPOSING. HOW THE NEW INTERCHANGE WILL AFFECT 315.

THAT'S WHY WE LIKE TO ASK FOR CONTINUANCE, TO DO A FULL TRAFFIC STUDY TO DETERMINE WHAT ALL OF THOSE IMPROVEMENTS LOOK LIKE AND HOW OUR PROJECT FITS IN WITH THAT. I THINK THAT IS A LITTLE BIT OF A MISSING PIECE. THE

>> ALL RIGHT WE HAVE SEVERAL CARDS. SOME ARE ANNOTATED AND SOME ARE NOT. ITEM NUMBER 31. OR 32 I'M SORRY. IF YOU WANT TO SPEAK ITEM NUMBER 32 WHICH WE MAY CONTINUE TO THE NEXT BOARD MEETING. THAT MEANS WE WON'T TAKE ANY ACTION ON IT , OR WE MIGHT NOT.

>> DOES NOT WANT TO SPEAK. >> ARTHUR WILBER.

>> MY NAME IS ARTHUR WILBER I RESIDE AT OWNER OF THE TRACK ON THE ROAD THAT RUNS PARALLEL TO THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT. THIS LAND HAS BEEN IN MY FAMILY ALMOST 100 YEARS. I HAVE TWO MAJOR CONCERNS. FLOODING AND THAT WILL IMPACT MY PROPERTY. TRAFFIC AND A LACK OF INFRASTRUCTURE TO SUPPORT THIS. AND WHO WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE DAMAGE AND CLEANUP? WILL THIS BE THE SAME SCENARIO AS A POND ON SHED ROAD? AS A PROFESSIONAL TRUCK DRIVER FOR 51 YEARS, I HAVE DRIVEN OVER 4 MILLION MILES AND TRAVELED ALL OVER 40 STATES INCLUDING CANADA. THESE YEARS I HAVE WITNESSED A LOT OF TERRIBLE TRAGEDIES. AND I KNOW THAT IT IS ONLY A MATTER OF TIME BEFORE THE SAME TRAGEDIES WILL OCCUR ON 315 AND 315-A. IF THIS DEVELOPMENT IS APPROVED, TRAFFIC STUDIES DO NOT TAKE INTO ACCOUNT HUMAN NATURE. WHAT HAPPENS WHEN A DRIVER RUNNING A LIGHT DECIDES TO PASS A GARBAGE TRUCK AND HITS ANOTHER DRIVER HAD ON ? WHAT HAPPENS IF THE DRIVER THAT IS HIT IS YOUR FAMILY MEMBER? I PERSONALLY WOULD NOT WANT TO FEEL RESPONSIBLE FOR THE DECISION THAT CAUSES INNOCENT INDIVIDUALS THEIR LIVES PLEASE CONSIDER THE SAFETY AND ENVIRONMENTAL ASPECTS OF THIS DEVELOPMENT AND DENY THE

APPLICATION. THANK YOU. >> KIMBERLY MIDDLETON.

>> MY NAME IS KIMBERLY MIDDLETON. I RESIDE AT ADDRESS ] GREEN COVE SPRINGS. I LIVE ON THE PROPERTY THAT RUNS PARALLEL TO THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT IN MY FAMILY HAS FARMED IT NEARLY 80 YEARS. WE HARVEST FOOD FOR THE COMMUNITY ALL YEAR ROUND THROUGH GARDENING, SEASONAL CROPS, CHICKEN, CATTLE, HONEY AND SUGAR CANE. SOME OF THE FOOD IS DONATED TO THE GREEN COVE SPRINGS FOOD PANTRY. WITH A FEW

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ACRES OF SPRINGFED POND USED AS A SOURCE OF WATER FOR THE CROPS. THAT POND SITS 190 FEET FROM ONE OF THE PROPOSED RETENTION PONDS. CHANGES TO THE WETLANDS AND DRAINAGE FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT WILL AFFECT THE NATURAL FLOW OF WATER TO THE SURROUNDING AREAS. THE 5.79 ACRES OF DESIGNATED POND AREA WILL IT ACCOMMODATE THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT AND WATER FROM THE OUTLYING AREAS? WHAT HAPPENS TO THE OVERFLOW IF IT DOES NOT WHEN THE POND BREACHES OF THE FLOW THE PATH OF LEAST RESISTANCE OUR POND AND FARM, THE WATER WILL CARRY CONTAMINATION. WHEN THE POND AND FARM ARE FLOODED AND CONTAMINATED AND THE ABILITY TO PRODUCE CROPS AND PROVIDE FOR LIVESTOCK IS GONE. WHO WILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT? WILL THE COUNTY OF ANOTHER INCIDENT ON THEIR HANDS? IS A RESIDENT OF THE ROAD I CAN TELL YOU IT IS USED AS A SHORTCUT TO AVOID TRAFFIC BY THE PUBLIC. DURING 11 DAYS OF THE FAIR IT IS GRIDLOCKED. OVER THE YEARS WE HAVE HAD NUMEROUS ACCIDENTS AS A RESULT OF SPEED, RECENTLY AN ENTIRE FENCE WAS TAKEN DOWN AND THE HOUSE WAS NARROWLY MISSED, THE CURRENT TWO INCAPACITY OF 315 AND 315-A IS A SAFETY NIGHTMARE. THE ROADS HAVE NO SHOULDERS, THEY ARE INUNDATED WITH RESIDENTIAL AND ROSEMARY HILL COMMERCIAL TRAFFIC AT INTERSECTIONS WITH NO SIGNALS.

A RIGHT HAND TURN LANE ON STATE ROAD 16 WILL NOT RELIEVE THIS SITUATION. A MUCH WILL THE COUNTY BE RESPONSIBLE FOR WHEN THE DONATED $300,000 IS NOT ENOUGH TO COMPLETE THE PROJECT I HAVE HEARD NO DISCUSSION OF A TURN LANE IN FRONT OF A PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT. WILL THERE BE ONE OR IS TRAFFIC SUPPOSED TO SIT AT A DEAD STOP ON THESE ALREADY UNSAFE ROADS, IF THERE IS A PROPOSED TURN LANE WHO IS PAYING FOR IT? IF THERE ISN'T ONE THEN IT IS A MATTER OF TIME WHEN THE REAR END AND T-BONE ACCIDENTS OCCUR, WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THE TRAFFIC IS STOPPED AND AN EMERGENCY VEHICLE CANNOT GET THROUGH? THE ROADS WILL NEVER BE ABLE TO SUSTAIN THE ADDITIONAL DEVELOPMENT IN ITS CURRENT CONDITION. FORCING PEOPLE TO SUFFER SAFETY AND ENVIRONMENTAL CONSEQUENCES OF IRRESPONSIBLE GROWTH IS UNACCEPTABLE. I AM ASKING YOU LESSEN THE BURDEN OF THE ADDITIONAL DEVELOPMENT TO AN ALREADY FAILING IF A STRUCTURE. GIVE IT TIME TO CATCH UP AND DENY THIS

DEVELOPMENT. >> THANK YOU. MELISSA SMITH.

>> SUSAN GOODRICH, YOUR NEXT IF YOU ARE HERE.

>> MY NAME IS MELISSA SMITH AND I RESIDE IN MIDDLEBURG. MY ADDRESS IS ON THE CARD AND I AM A NINE GENERATION MERIDIAN. I AM HERE TO PLEAD WITH THE BOARD TO STOP ALLOWING SO MANY WILD AREAS TO BE DEVELOPED. STOP THE REZONING OF ROYAL AREAS, INCREASE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT FEES FOR THE WETLANDS WHEN IT COMES TO DEVELOPMENT OR BETTER YET, NOT ALLOW THEM TO BE DEVELOPED AT ALL, PUT MORE AREAS IN CONSERVATION AND FIGURE OUT A WAY TO MAYBE STOP SOME OF THESE OUT-OF-STATE RESIDENTS FROM BUYING UP WILD AREAS FOR SELF PROFIT AND DEVELOPMENT. FROM EXPERIENCE AND SPEAKING WITH OTHER RESIDENTS IT SEEMS THE VAST MAJORITY OF RESIDENTS OF MIDDLEBURG, KEYSTONE AND GREEN COVE LIVE HERE BECAUSE WE ENJOY THE RURAL LIFESTYLE. IF WE WANTED MORE BUSINESS ELEMENTS AND AMENITIES WE WOULD LIVE IN ORANGE PARK, JACKSONVILLE OR GAINESVILLE. CLAY COUNTY IS LOADED WITH WETLANDS WHICH ARE VITALLY IMPORTANT. WE NEED WETLANDS FOR CLEAN WATER, FLOOD EROSION AND TO PROTECT MANY LIVING SPECIES, PLANTS ANIMALS AND FISH. WE ARE NOT THE ONLY RESIDENTS IN THIS COUNTY AND WE NEED TO BE MORE RESPECTFUL OF THAT. PLEASE LISTEN TO YOUR COUNTY RESIDENTS. WE DO NOT WANT MORE DEVELOPER. THE VERY LEAST DEVELOPED ANYMORE CONSIDERABLY BY OFFERING INCENTIVES TO DEVELOP AREAS THAT ALREADY BEEN DEVELOPED, BUT ARE NOT IN USE AND BE MINDFUL OF CURRENT RESIDENCE THAT HAVE TO USE THE ROADWAYS TO GET TO AND FROM WORK AND SCHOOL. SO THAT'S ALL I'M GOING TO SAY RIGHT NOW. I THINK

I WILL STICK WITH THAT YOUR >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MISS

GOODRICH. THEN SUSAN WELSCH. >> GOOD EVENING MY NAME IS

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SUSAN GOODRICH, 3776, 315-A. I MARRIED INTO THE GOODRICH FAMILY AND LIVED ON THE FAMILY PROPERTY SEVERAL YEARS. I WAS BLESSED ENOUGH TO SPEND A LOT OF TIME WITH LUCY GOODRICH, THE GRANDMOTHER TO MY HUSBAND GEORGE. MISS LUCY SHARED MANY STORIES WITH ME. THE GOODRICH'S PURCHASE THE FAMILY PROPERTY TO PRESERVE IT FOR THEIR LEGACY, PROTECTING WILDLIFE, SO THAT IT COULD BE USED FOR FARMLAND AND TO BE HANDED DOWN TO GENERATIONS TO COME. LUCY LOVED ANIMALS, WE SHARED THAT LOVE, SHE RESCUED AND FED ANYTHING THAT WOULD COME UP ON HER LAND PUTTING ALL WILDLIFE. IT WAS HER PASSION AND HOPE THAT HER FAMILY WOULD DO THE SAME. I MADE THAT PROMISE TO HER. GEORGE AND I CONTINUE HER LEGACY TODAY AND SHARE A SMALL FAMILY FARM WITH DONKEYS, CHICKENS, HORSES AND A POTBELLY TAKE NAMED BELLA . WE RESCUE AND RELEASE ANIMALS THAT ARE LOST OR INJURED IN OUR AREA. MANY ANIMALS MIGRATED TO OUR PROPERTY AFTER THE DEVELOPMENT OF WILLOW SPRINGS ON 315. JUST YESTERDAY COMING OUT OF MY DRIVEWAY, A GOPHER TORTOISE WAS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD. I STOP, GOT OUT OF MY CAR, LOOKED BOTH WAYS, THERE WAS NO TRAFFIC, THE WAY I LIKE IT. I WAS ABLE TO RESCUE THE TORTOISE THAT WAS HEADED TOWARD MISS LUCY'S PROPERTY WHERE THERE ARE SEVERAL HOMES THERE FOR FOXES, DEER, RACCOONS, POSSUMS AND OTHER GOPHER TORTOISES. JUST TO NAME A FEW. GEORGE AND I ARE PROUD TO LIVE IN THE AREA AND WILL CONTINUE TO UPHOLD OUR PROMISE TO HIS GRANDMOTHER. LADIES AND GENTLEMEN OF THE COMMISSION, WE ARE DISCUSSING A SMALL AREA OF FAMILY PROPERTY THAT COULD DRASTICALLY CHANGE OUR COMMUNITY AND OUR FUTURE. THERE ARE OTHER OPTIONS FOR THE LAND USE , ALL I ASK YOU PLEASE VOTE FROM YOUR HEART FOR THE BEST INTEREST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

IF MISS LUCY WERE HERE TODAY SHE WOULD SAY SHE LOVED YOU ALL AND SHE HOPES YOU MAKE THE RIGHT DECISION. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND I WANT TO THANK ALL THE PEOPLE WHO SHOWED UP HERE TONIGHT TO SUPPORT US, THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. SUSAN WELSCH. NEXT IS KELLY KNOWLES .

>> SUSAN MILLS WELCH, WENT TO SCHOOL IN GREEN COVE AND I UNDERSTAND YOU HAVE TO MAKE A BIG DECISION. I READ THE APPLICATION THEY COMPLETED AND IN MY UNTRAINED OPINION I DON'T THINK IT MEETS LDC REQUIREMENTS. WE ARE TALKING 72 ACRES MINUS WE ARE TALKING 72 ACRES -1 1/2 FOR TRINITY MINUS FOR TRINITY -3 1/2 PRAY COUNTY PARK THEY WANT TO DONATE MINUS 3.38 FOR PONDS MINUS 4.8 PREPARATION MINUS 2.73 PARKS WITHIN THE PROJECT. SIDEWALKS, ROADS, LIFT STATION, WETLANDS AND THE PHOENIX DEAN ACREAGE WHICH IS AT LEAST FOUR AND THE PHOENIX DEAN ACREAGE WHICH IS AT LEAST 4 ACRES. THAT LEAVES LESS THAN 55 ACRES OF WHICH TO PLACE 214 HOMES. NOT 72 ACRES. THAT IS MORE THAN THREE HOMES PER 3/4 ACRE. THESE LOTS ARE MUCH LOWER THAN MAGNOLIA WEST, THEY COMPARE THEMSELVES TO BE SIMILAR TO MAGNOLIA WEST, BUT MAGNOLIA WEST OFFERS LARGER LOTS AND FAR MORE RECREATION SPACE WITH A CLUBHOUSE AND POOL. MULTIPLE TIMES IN THE APPLICATION THEY REFERRED TO THE HOUSING DEMAND , BUT LESS THAN 4 MILES FROM THIS SITE DEVELOPMENT HAS ALREADY BEGUN ON GOVERNORS PARK WHICH IS GUST OF SINS WHETHER WE 4000 SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES, 2000 MULTIFAMILY UNITS. WITH THOUSANDS OF SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL OFFICE AND INDUSTRIAL SPACE STILL WITHIN THAT 4 MILE RADIUS YOU HAVE GOOSE CREEK WITH 50 HOMES WITH JEREMY'S DRIVE 27 HOMES AND TRACE LAND MAGNOLIA WEST, MAGNOLIA WEST ALL BUYING AND SELLING HOMES. 8 MILES BEHIND THE SITE IS SANDRIDGE HOME

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WHICH HOST 10 NEW DEVELOPMENTS. NEW DEVELOPMENTS,-TRAIL WITH 1500 HOMES THE LAKE WITH 500, GRANARY PARK WITH 570 HOMES AND 347 RENTAL HOMES CALLED ROBINSON RANCH. I'M JUST TESTING A FEW, YOU KNOW THESE ALL. CONSIDERING WE HAVE NOT MENTIONED DEVELOPMENT ON THE NEW CATHEDRAL PARKWAY.

REALTOR.COM REPORTS AND I QUOTE, THE MEDIAN SOLD HOME PRICE IN GREEN COVE WAS $360,000.20 24. THESE FIVE HOMES WAS GREATER THAN DEMAND MAKING A BUYERS MARKET. THAT EXPLAINED WHY MY NEIGHBOR CANNOT SEEM TO SELL HIS HOUSE, CLAY COUNTY IS ALREADY MEETING THE HOUSING DEMAND. WHERE IS GUEST PARKING OR THE NATURE PARK THEY SEEK TO PROVE? I AM ALMOST DONE. PHOENIX DEAN PARCEL DO NOT DESCRIBE ANY PLANTS CAN YOU APPROVE THE APPLICATION WITHOUT THIS INFORMATION? SO WITH ALL DUE RESPECT IT SEEMS TO ME LIKE YOU HAVE A PRETTY STRONG GROUNDS TO DENY THE APPLICATION, THANK

YOU. >> THANK YOU. KELLY KNOWLES ,

STELLA WISEMAN IS UP NEXT. >> BE TO LATE ? OKAY. MY NAME IS KELLY MILLS, THIS IS MY SON WE RESIDE AT I THINK IT WOULD BE BEST TO WAIT FOR THIS DUE TO TRAFFIC AND SAFETY. LATER ALL THE ROADS AND NEIGHBORHOODS TO DEVELOP TO REASSESS. WE HAVE THREE BOYS AND ONE WILL SOON BE AT THE BUSY BUS STOP AND MORE TRAFFIC WOULD BE TERRIBLE FOR THESE CHILDREN. MY FATHER RETIRED AS A TRUCK DRIVER SO I HAVE HERD THE WORST OF THE WORST AND WE SEE THAT ALL THE TIME. SO WE

ARE AGAINST IT. THANK YOU. >>

>> NEXT IS >> I LIVE AT 2231 AND I HAVE LIVED ON 52 YEARS OF MY LIFE WITH MY HUSBAND WITH ALL THE OTHER ISSUES BROUGHT UP CONCERNING TRAFFIC SAFETY FLOODING ET CETERA I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT I FEEL QUALITY OF LIFE IS THREATENED WITH PLAN PROJECTS FOR THE NEW PROJECT THEY ARE PLANNING WE ALREADY HAVE NORTH, SOUTH, EAST AND WEST IN THE HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF HOMES AND ANOTHER PROJECT WITH 400 MORE VEHICLES WILL FURTHER BOX US IN TIGHTER AND TIGHTER WILL NOT BE ABLE TO GET OUT SAFELY, CHILDREN WILL NOT BE ABLE TO COME SEE US VISIT WHEN I AM BOXED IN SO TIGHT MY QUALITY OF LIFE IS AFFECTED. DESIGNED TO HELP IMPROVE QUALITY OF LIFE NOT HINDERED. I FULLY FEEL LIKE YOU ALL SHOULD DENY THE APPLICATION AT THIS TIME. I FEEL THEY LOVED FAR TOO MANY QUESTIONS UNANSWERED AND IT WAS NOT PLANNED OUT VERY WELL. THERE'S A LOT OF QUESTIONS THAT HAVE NOT BEEN ANSWERED AND I THINK IT SHOULD BE DENIED.

>> THANK YOU.

>> I COME BEFORE YOU TO ASK YOU TO MAKE THE RIGHT DECISION TO SHOW THIS COMMUNITY YOU ARE AGAINST THIS DEVELOPMENT.

BEFORE YOU TELL ME IT'S COMING AND BE PREPARED TELL ME HOW YOU PLAN TO STOP THE DESTRUCTION. YOU ARE WATCHING THE COUNTY GO DOWN TO DIRT IN SEVERAL AREAS. PEOPLE DO ONE YARDS AND A LITTLE HOMESTEAD TYPE AREA. I HEAR IT EVERY DAY. THEY WANT A PLACE OF THEIR OWN, THEY WANT TO KEEP HORSES BEHIND THEIR HOUSE AND NOT BOARDED FAMILIE WANT TO PARK A BOAT OR AN RV IN THEIR OWN YARD NOT EVERYONE WANTS TO SEE A HOUSE 3 FEET FROM THE BATHROOM WINDOW. THEY WANT SPACE OF THEIR OWN. OR LAKE AS BERRY, THEY DIVERTED THE ROADS TO ACCOMMODATE EXISTING TREES , PONDS, CREEKS AND LIGHTS, NOT CREATE RETENTION PONDS TO CREATE MORE ROOM. I BELIEVE THERE'S MORE WORK TO BE DONE AND MORE DESIRABLE OPTIONS TO CONSIDER.

HAVE TO ASK WHY NOW? THE IMPACT OF THIS EFFECTS BEYOND THE BOUNDARIES OF THE WALLS OF THE SUBDIVISION. TELL ME HOW THIS BENEFITS OUR COMMUNITY AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

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THAT. >> I HAVE SOMETHING I WANT TO TELL . WE DON'T HAVE ELEVATIONS, SEVERAL THINGS.

THERE'S A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT THE PROJECT THAT WE DON'T KNOW. UNTIL WE UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S GOING TO BE HARD FOR ME TO SAY I AM FOR THIS. YOU WOULD NOT BUY THIS SAYING IT'S GOOD FOR THE COMMUNITY FOR THIS IS WHAT WE NEED, YOU NEED MORE INFORMATION. SORRY I AM CALL VOTE ] TO HAD BEEN IN THE SINCE 1960. THE GARBAGE TRUCKS ON THE ROAD ARE RUN ALL THE TIME ONLY 55 DAYS A YEAR THE DUMP IS NOT ( EVERY SUNDAY, NEW YEAR'S, CHRISTMAS AND THANKSGIVING. OTHER THAN THAT WHERE THE TRAFFIC. THESE ARE THE HOUSES COMING IN WITH OTHER ELEMENTS WE HAVE MORE GARBAGE TRUCKS NOT PEOPLE PEOPLE RUN THE CARS TOGETHER SOMEBODY WILL GET HURT. RUN INTO GARBAGE TRUCK THAT'S A TOTALLY DIFFERENT SITUATION.

JUST OVER 1000 FEET FROM ROSEMARY HILL , THOUSAND YARDS OR SO FROM ROSEMARY HILL TO THE 16. IN THAT STRETCH TWO DRAINAGE ROADS THAT COME TO IT. YOU HAVE EIGHT DRIVEWAYS, A FOUR-WAY INTERSECTION. GO TO THE ADDED ENTRANCE ON 350 AND HAVE NOT TALKED ABOUT ETERNALLY OR ACCOMMODATIONS FOR THAT. AND THEN YOU HAVE TWO ENTRANCES ON 315-IT RIGHT AT 315 SO THAT'S A LOT OF TRAFFIC THERE DOES THAT SOUND LIKE A GOOD IDEA, I NEED TO UNDERSTAND MORE ABOUT HOW THAT IS A GOOD IDEA AND SAFE. $300,000 FOR A TURN LANE. THAT PROBABLY WON'T GET MUCH NOWADAYS.

TRAFFIC GET SOME SNAP BLOCKER LAND AND GET THEM INVOLVED. 80 ACRES OF AGRICULTURAL LAND AND I HAVE GOT 60 ACRES RIGHT THERE. $20,000 AND GOING TO GO VERY FAR. APPROVING THIS NOW WOULD SEEM LIKE GIVING THEM AN OPEN CHECK WITHOUT ADDING A DESTINATION WOULD BE BAD BUSINESS WE JUST NEED MORE INFORMATION. GOOD I WAS THE MICROPHONE? IT MIGHT HAVE GOT

TIRED. >> YOU LIKE TO SEE A RETENTION POND IN THE MIDDLE THAT WE WOULD HANDLE SOME OF THE CONCERN IF IT FAILS ALL THE HOUSES WILL BE BUILT ON PADS, THE KEEP THE WATER RIGHT THERE.

>> THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE.

>> HI, GOOD EVENING. I AM AT COMMISSIONER BURKE FOR CONTINUED DIGITAL -- DILIGENCE.

I HAVE BEEN TO OTHER MEETINGS WITH REGARD TO THE DEVELOPMENT AND WITH REGARD TO , MY FAMILY ARRIVED IN THE LATE 1960S, MY BROTHER AND I GREW UP IN GREEN COVE SPRINGS AND ATTENDED ALL GREEN COVE SCHOOLS AND WE VISITED GRANDMA LIZZIE, COLLECTED EGGS ON HER FARM. GEORGE SAYS HE AND HIS NEIGHBORS UNOPPOSED TO DEVELOP IT IN GENERAL. I DON'T LIKE IT PERSONALLY BUT I REALIZE IT'S UNREALISTIC TO THINK IT WILL CONTINUE BUT I HAVEN'T ANGERED AND SADDENED BY THE CRAZY PACE AND MANNER OF DEVELOPMENT IN CLAY COUNTY. I AGREE WITH THE STATEMENT" HIM DIRECTLY FROM AN ARTICLE. WE JUST WANT SUSTAINABLE DEVELOPMENT THAT DELIVERS GOOD QUALITY OF LIFE TO CURRENT AND FUTURE RESIDENTS ONLY ASKING GROWTH IS MANAGED IN A REASONABLE AND RESPONSIBLE MANNER, WAKE COUNTY IS A GREAT PLACE AND WE NEED TO WORK TO KEEP IT THAT WAY. I 100% AGREE WITH WHAT SUSAN GOODRICH AND OTHER SPEAKERS BEFORE AND AFTER HER HAVE SAID ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF WILD SPACES AND WILDLIFE. THERE WAS A DISCUSSION BACK AT ANOTHER

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MEETING WHERE A GREAT NUMBER OF RESIDENTS EXPRESSED THE SAME CONCERNS OVER DEVELOPMENT IN THE COUNTY AND IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY SOMEBODY ON THE BOARD MADE A COMMENT ABOUT HELPING THE KIDS GROW UP HERE AND IF AND WHEN THEY LEFT THEY WOULD WANT TO RETURN TO THE AREA WHEN THEY WERE READY TO SETTLE AND PUT DOWN THEIR ROOTS. AND, SORRY. I SAID AT THE MEETING ALTHOUGH I DID COME BACK A COUPLE DECADES AGO TO DO THAT I'M FRUSTRATED BY THE LACK OF CONSIDERATION BY THE POWERS THAT BE AND THE LACK OF CITIZEN SAY IN HOW DEVELOPMENT IS ALLOWED ALTHOUGH THE PIECE OF LAND UNDER DISCUSSION HERE IS NOT THE EXACT AREA WHERE I GREW UP NORTH WHERE MY MOTHER LIVES ON RUSSELL ROAD I HAVE SEEN AND EXPERIENCED INSANE INCREASE IN TRAFFIC AND SPEED AND CONGESTION RESULTING FROM THE DEVELOPMENT ALLOWED AND I HAVE TO EXIT MY MOM'S PROPERTY HAD FIRST TO GO IN AND TURN AROUND BECAUSE IT TOO DANGEROUS TO BACK OUT. THERE WAS , I WAS OUT RECENTLY , MY HUSBAND AND I WERE TAKING A TRAILER OF STUFF TO ROSEMARY HILL AND I HAD, IN THE EVENING I HAD HAVE A POLICEMAN HELP US TO GET OUT ON THE ROAD BECAUSE I HAVE A GUARDIAN ANGEL LIGHTS AND PEOPLE DID NOT CARE. THERE WERE GOING TO RUN ME DOWN. I CAN'T IMAGINE THE SAME TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT ANYWHERE ELSE WILL BE ANY DIFFERENT. PLEASE THINK ABOUT THIS, THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU, ADDRESS ] HAVING 400 MORE VEHICLES ON GREEN COVE SPRINGS TWO LANE ROADS WILL SIGNIFICANTLY INCREASE TRAFFIC , YOUR CURRENT PLAN MENTIONS ONLY A RIGHT HAND TURN LANE FROM 315 TO STATE ROAD 16. WHAT ABOUT DRIVERS NEEDING TO TURN LEFT INTO GREEN COVE AND WHAT ABOUT 315-A? WILL THERE BE A TURN LANE THRE? AS THE SUBDIVISION HAS NO DIRECT EXITS ONTO 315-A RESIDENCE MAY USE 315 TO ACCESS 315-8 AND REACH STATE ROAD 16. ADDING TO THE EXISTING TRAFFIC THAT IS ALREADY THERE. IN ADDITION ONCE DRIVERS DISCOVER AS A SHORTCUT TO THE GAS STATION MORNING TRAFFIC FOR CURRENT RESIDENCE WILL GET EVEN WORSE. TRAFFIC DURING PEAK TIMES LIKE APRIL DURING THE FAIR OR IN THE MORNING DURING SCHOOL OFTEN CAUSE STOPPED TRAFFIC ON STATE ROAD 16 ADDING 400 MORE VEHICLES DURING THESE BUSY PERIODS WILL MAKE IT NEARLY IMPOSSIBLE TO MAINTAIN TRAFFIC FLOW ON 315 AND 315-A.

HINDERING EMERGENCY VEHICLE ACCESS TO HOMES THAT ARE ALREADY THERE. WILL THERE BE INCREASED POLICE PRESENCE IN THE AREA? WITH NUMEROUS TRAFFIC VIOLATIONS ALREADY OCCURRING WITH AN INFLUX OF VEHICLES REGULAR LAW ENFORCEMENT PRESENCE IS ESSENTIAL FOR SAFETY. SPEEDING ON IS AN ISSUE ADDING A FRACTION OF NEW VEHICLES FROM THE SUBDIVISION WILL INCREASE THE RISK FOR PEDESTRIANS INCLUDING THOSE WALKING TO CLAY HIGH OR WALKING THEIR DOGS. CURRENTLY THERE ARE MANY CLOSE CALLS INVOLVING STUDENTS ON STATE ROAD 16 AND SURROUNDING ROADS LIKE . WITH OVER 400 ADDITIONAL CARS, THE RISK TO STUDENTS, ESPECIALLY NEW DRIVERS THAT ARE TRAVELING TO AND FROM SCHOOL WILL RISE WITH A LACK OF INFRASTRUCTURE SUCH AS LIGHTS, STREET LIGHTS AND TRAFFIC LIGHTS. CROSSWALKS AND SIDEWALKS COMPROMISE SAFETY FOR STUDENTS WALKING OR DRIVING TO SCHOOL. HOW WILL STUDENTS FORM THE NEW COMMUTE SAFELY TO SCHOOL? IS THERE A PLAN FOR ADDITIONAL BUSES? CLAY COUNTY ALREADY FACES A SHORTAGE OF BUSES SO HOW WILL GREEN COVE ACCOMMODATE INCREASED DEMAND FOR SCHOOL TRANSPORTATION AND WILL INCREASE TAXES? ADDITIONALLY HOW WILL THE BUSES NAVIGATE THE INCREASED TRAFFIC TO ENSURE TIMELY AND SAFE ARRIVALS TO SCHOOL ? THIS IS NOT JUST HIGH SCHOOL THIS IS ELEMENTARY AND NEAR HIGH, THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME TALK.

>> THANK YOU.

>> EVERYBODY HAS ALREADY SAID THE ISSUES AND I DON'T WANT TO CONTINUE TO GO OVER IT. ONE OF THE THINGS MENTIONED WAS COUNTY

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ROAD 315-A. COMING OUT OF THE ROAD 315-A ON THAT SIDE WE EXIT OUT OF 315-A. WE TURN TO GO 16 OR LEFT TO GO TO 315 , DEPENDING ON WHAT YOUR BUSINESS IS THAT DAY , WHICH WAY YOU WANT TO GO. ON 315-A WHEN TURNING LEFT THEIR CURB THEIR I'M SURE YOU HAVE BEEN ON 315 THE CURVE ON 315 BETWEEN , THAT IS A BLIND LINE SITE FOR ANYBODY COMING OFF THE ROAD.

YOU CANNOT SEE THE TRAFFIC COMING DOWN THE ROAD. YOU HAVE TO CLOSE YOUR EYES AND PRAY THAT YOU MAKE IT OUT OF THAT ROAD. HONESTLY. HONESTLY. YOU'RE WELCOME TO COME SEE FOR YOURSELF OKAY. ANYWAY. I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT THAT BECAUSE MORE TRAFFIC THE WORSE IT'S GOING TO GET. I ALSO WANTED TO TALK ABOUT GOING AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD TALKING TO PEOPLE ABOUT WHAT'S HAPPENING AND STUFF LIKE THAT. A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE BEEN THERE FOR GENERATIONS, MOST OF US. FOR THEM TO IMPROVE THEIR LAND OR TO DO ENHANCEMENTS TO THEIR LAND THE COUNTY MAKES IT TREMENDOUSLY TREMENDOUSLY HARD FOR THE PERMITS TO BE APPROVED, THE WAITING LIST, THE COST, BUT IT SEEMS IT IS NOT SO HARD FOR THE DEVELOPERS TO COME IN AND TEAR DOWN, TEAR DOWN. SO MAYBE WE COULD DO THAT. IF WE ARE SO WORRIED ABOUT THE ENHANCEMENTS FROM MAGNOLIA WEST WHERE WE LIVE OR THE IMPROVEMENTS MAYBE WE CAN DO SOMETHING FOR THE RESIDENTS THAT LIVE THERE TO HELP THEM ENHANCE AND DO MORE FOR THEIR PROPERTIES WITHOUT COSTING THEM AN ARM AND A LEG.

ALSO I WOULD LIKE TO SAY REMEMBER, CLAY COUNTY WAS FOUNDED FOR OUR AGRICULTURAL AND RURAL LAND. THAT'S WHY PEOPLE MOVED HERE BECAUSE OF THE BEAUTIFUL LAND. THE WHITE SPACES AND IS BEING TORN DOWN AND NOT COMING BACK. I WOULD LIKE TO TALK ABOUT THE WILDLIFE, THE WILDLIFE ARE BEING SHUT OUT OF THEIR HOMES. ÚSO THEY ARE COMING TO OUR HOMES FOR THEIR WATER, FOR THEIR FOOD. WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT

THAT TOO. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.

WILL BE GOODRICH FOLLOW THE LIKES OF MADE A NEW POINT WE WERE CREATING A PERFECT STORM WITH SCHOOL TRAFFIC, HAVE A LARGE-SCALE LANDFILL STATION AND WE ARE PUTTING IT ALL TOGETHER IN ONE SPOT. I WILL STICK TO MY SCRIPT. MY MAJOR CONCERNS MY PRIMARY CONCERN IS DRAINAGE MY PERSONAL DRAINAGE. COUNTY ROAD 315-IT WAS BUILT AT A HIGHER ELEVATION THAN THE SURROUNDING LAND. ORIGINALLY FARM TO MARKET. ESSENTIALLY A DAM SEVERAL FEET HIGHER THAN THE SURROUNDING LAND. THAT ENTIRE PARCEL WILL FLOW TO THE NORTH TO GOVERNORS CREEK. DURING A REGULAR RAINSTORM I HAVE NO ISSUES. THERE ARE ONLY TWO CULVERTS CROSSING UNDER 315-A. ONE THE WEST AND ONE DIRECTLY NEXT TO MY HOUSE BETWEEN MY BARN AND MY HOME. NORMAL RAINSTORM, NO ISSUE.

TENURE RAINFALL NOT AN ISSUE, BUT A TROPICAL STORM WATER FLOWING OVER MY BRIDGE INTO MY PASTOR WITH 6 TO 8 INCHES OF RAIN IN MY PASTOR. A DAY OR TWO. IF THIS DEVELOPMENT GOES FORWARD AS IS I'M GOING TO FLOOD MY HOME AND I DON'T KNOW WHO WILL PAY ME BACK FOR THAT. SO YOU KNOW AGAIN, COUNTY ROAD 315-A 19 FEET WIDE FARM TO MARKET WAS NEVER BUILT FOR HEAVY TRAFFIC. THE LOT SIZE IS ALSO A CONSIDERATION. EVERYONE IS ASKING HOW TO GET TO THE HIGHER DENSITY OF RESIDENTIAL LOTS. I CAN TELL YOU SIMPLE THERE'S ANYTHING THAT'S DONE AND I THINK THIS LITTLE CORNER IS WHAT WE ALL ARGUE ABOUT, THE RATE OF RETURN AS COSTS GO UP TO DEVELOP A LOT THE RATE OF

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RETURN GOES DOWN SO THERE IS A SWEET SPOT WHERE THE DEVELOPER MAKES MONEY OR NOT WE ARE NOT ASKING ANYBODY TO NOT MAKE MONEY BUT IT NEEDS TO BE COMPATIBLE WITH THE LOCAL COMMUNITY IF THERE WERE LARGER LOTS I THINK WE WOULD ALL BE HERE APPLAUDING EVERYONE INVOLVED. THERE IS ALSO A HUGE CONCERN ABOUT THE FUTURE EXPANSION PARCEL WHICH SEEMS TO BE A BIG GRAY AREA. IN OUR READING OF THE APPLICATION.

THERE IS A CONCERN THAT COULD BE COMMERCIAL PROPERTY SOMEDAY WHICH WE WOULD VEHEMENTLY OPPOSE. THAT SHOULD NOT EVEN BE A CONSIDERATION. WE FEEL LIKE THERE IS A LOT MORE HOMEWORK TO BE DONE WITH THE APPLICATION, THE DEVELOPMENT. JUST ONE MORE THING, MY WIFE HATES THE PHRASE, BUT WE BELIEVE FARM FROM PROPERTY IS JUST AS IMPORTANT AS WATERFRONT

PROPERTY. THANK YOU. >> SUSAN GOODRICH.

>> SHE HAD TWO CARDS. >>

>> HI MY NAME IS MIGHT BE FAMILIAR BECAUSE I WAS HERE A FEW MONTHS BACK FIGHTING THE DEVELOPMENT ON CHAD ROAD AND I EXPENSED FIRSTHAND CITIZENS CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE WHEN THEY GET INVOLVED AND TO MAKE SURE THEIR VOICES ARE ENCOURAGED ME TO APPLY TO THE NEWLY FORMED SPRING CITIZEN ADVISORY COUNCIL. SEVERAL OF US FROM THE GROUP APPLIED AND WE NOW VOLUNTEER AND SERVE ON THE COUNCIL. LIKE YOU WE CARE ABOUT CLAY COUNTY IN ITS HERITAGE AND FUTURE. IT IS OBVIOUS TO ANYONE WHO LIVES HERE OR TRAVELS THROUGH CLAY COUNTY THAT WE ARE GROWING. FOR SOME OF US WHO HAVE LIVED HERE OUR WHOLE LIVES AND PROMOTES A SENSE OF MOURNING. WE FEEL LIKE WE ARE LOSING WHAT CLAY COUNTY HAS BEEN MADE TO BE SO SPECIAL AND A PLACE TO LIVE AND RAISE OUR FAMILIES FOR GENERATIONS. CHANGE IS INEVITABLE SO WE MUST ACCEPT CLAY COUNTY IS AND WILL LOOK AND FEEL DIFFERENT THAN A FEW SHORT YEARS AGO. ESPECIALLY WITH A NEW BELTWAY COMING IN.

COUNTY ROAD 209 AND SANFORD ROAD NEED TO BE THE EXAMPLE OF WHAT NOT TO DO. IF YOU KEEP ALLOWING THESE DEVELOPMENTS TO COME IN AND BUILD A LONG TWO LANE ROADS ADJACENT TO DIRT ROADS WITHOUT NECESSARY INFRASTRUCTURE IN PLACE WE WILL HAVE THE SAME EXACT PROBLEM , PERHAPS EVEN WORSE BECAUSE 315 AND 315-THEY ARE USED TWICE DAILY FOR TEENAGERS TO GET TO CLAY HIGH SCHOOL. THIS BECOMES A SAFETY CONCERN ESPECIALLY IN LIGHT OF THE FACT THAT SARATOGA SPRINGS HAS ALREADY BEEN APPROVED AND I THINK THAT IS 5000 HOMES THAT ARE GOING TO USE THE SAME ROADS. SO, YOU MUST LOOK AT THE BIG PICTURE, NOT JUST THIS DEVELOPMENT AND THE FACT THEY ARE BEING BUILT ON OLD COUNTY ROADS THAT ARE NOT AND WILL NOT BE BILLED FOR THIS BY MY TRAFFIC. IT IS YOUR RESPONSIBILITY AND DUTY TO ENSURE IS RESPONSIBLE, SMART AND SAFE FOR ITS CITIZENS. I CAN HEAR AND READ THE COMMENTS ALL THE TIME FROM THE COMMUNITY THAT YOU GUYS DO NOT CARE ABOUT US AND YOU ARE IN THE POCKETS OF THE DEVELOPERS. I HAVE TO TELL YOU THAT BREAKS MY HEART BECAUSE I KNOW IT'S NOT TRUE. I KNOW FROM PERSONAL EXPERIENCE HOW RESPONSIVE AND INVOLVED COMMISSIONER BURKE'S TO HER CONSTITUENTS AND I CAN ONLY IMAGINE YOU DO THE SAME FOR YOURS. IT TAKES A LOT OF DEDICATION AND THICK SKIN TO DO WHAT YOU DO. PROUD TO SEE YOU ALL LISTEN TO OUR CONCERN WITH THE SHED ROW DEVELOPMENT AND YOU DO WHAT'S BEST FOR OUR COMMUNITY. I AM BEGGING YOU TO DO THE SAME HERE. AND PROVE TO THE CITIZENS YOU DO LISTEN AND YOU WANT TO CONTROL THE GROWTH WITH RESPONSIBILITY AND COMMON SENSE AND AT THE SAME TIME PRESERVE AREAS OF CLAY COUNTY THAT HAVE ITS CHARACTER AND HERITAGE THAT MAKE IT SO SPECIAL.

>> THANK YOU.

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>> GOOD AFTERNOON, MY NAME IS RD. 315. BETWEEN AND 315-A SO I'M SURROUNDED BY THE PROPERTY. THE PROPERTY I HAVE WAS GIVEN TO ME BY MY GRANDMOTHER AND MY MOM. A LITTLE FAMILY HISTORY. I AM THE OLDEST SON OF A ONE-ROOM SCHOOLHOUSE ON THE CORNER OF 315 AND 315-A. CALLED THE BOWMAN SCHOOLHOUSE. MY GRANDPARENTS EVENTUALLY BUILD THE HOUSE AT 3725 MY GRANDPARENTS EVENTUALLY BUILD THE HOUSE AT 3725 COUNTY RD. 315-A AND I WAS BORED AT TO MY GRANDPARENTS HOME ON 315-A IN 1955. MY DAD WAS IN THE NAVY AND MY MOM WAS LIVING THERE WITH HER PARENTS WE MOVED AWAY, CAME BACK IN 1960 TO THE JACKSONVILLE AREA. FROM 1960 ON, I HAVE SPENT A LOT OF TIME THERE. IN 1993 I MOVED BACK FROM NORTH GEORGIA AND HAVE BEEN LIVING AT THE ADDRESS 31 YEARS. I HAVE SEEN A LOT OF CHANGES, I REMEMBER WHEN 315 AND 315-A WORD DIRT ROADS. THE BY THE SILO WAS NOTHING BUT A SANDHILL AND YOU COME UP AND IF YOU'RE NOT CAREFUL YOU WOULD GET STUCK. THERE WAS A COUPLE HOUSES ON 315 AND MY GRANDPARENTS HOUSE. WHEN MY GRANDPARENTS DIED AND PASSED AWAY, THEY SPLIT THE PROPERTY THEY HAD WHICH WAS 120 ACRES , THREE WAYS THEY HAD THREE CHILDREN. MY MOTHER, BERNICE GOODRICH GOT ABOUT 40 ACRES AND , AND THEY GAVE ME 3 ACRES AND MY SON HAS 3 ACRES ON 315. WHEN MY MOTHER DIED TWO YEARS AGO, HER WELL STATED THE PROPERTY NEEDED TO BE SOLD SO THAT'S WHY IT'S BEING SOLD. I BELIEVE 31 YEARS SURROUNDED BY TREES AND WOODS AND WHILE I DO NOT WANT TO GIVE THAT UP, I CANNOT AFFORD TO BUY IT. SO IT'S BEING SOLD OR IS UP FOR SALE.

I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT WATER RUNOFF BECAUSE ALL THE WATER ON MY PROPERTY RUNS EAST TOWARD THIS PROPOSED PROPERTY.

I PERSONALLY FEEL LIKE AS LONG AS THE COUNTY OF PLANT THIS SUBDIVISION I DO NOT HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT. I JUST HOPE THEY DO THEIR DUE DILIGENCE AND PLAN CORRECTLY, I THINK THEY OUGHT TO BE ALLOWED TO PRESENT THE TRAFFIC STUDY WHENEVER THAT

IS. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.

>> HOW ARE YOU DOING COMMISSIONERS? MY NAME IS NAME ] TRANSPARENT WHEN THIS CAME TO US, IT WAS A 2-2 DECISION. I WAS AND ANOTHER ONE OF THE PEOPLE VOTED NO ON IT AND THE OTHERS VOTED YES. WE WERE MISSING TWO WITH A TOTAL OF SIX PEOPLE. TO BE TOTALLY HONEST, I BELIEVE THAT ALL OF THESE CITIZENS HERE ARE IN THE RIGHT PERSPECTIVE. WE ALL KNOW WHAT HAPPENED WITH 20 ACRES NEXT TO US, THE SAME THING IS HAPPENING HERE. KEEPING IT WITH THE CHARACTER OF OUR COMMUNITY TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION WHAT YOU GUYS DID WITH US AND A 20 ACRES NEXT TO US AND PUT IT IN PERSPECTIVE. THERE IS NOTHING MORE THAT I CAN RELEASE, EXCEPT THAT, TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION, CHARACTER FOR THE COMMUNITY, FARMLANDS,

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NATURAL LANDS, THE WILDLIFE, STRUCTURE, EVERYTHING EVER SAID, APPRECIATE YOU AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK.

>> NAME ] MY ADDRESS IS SPRINGS AND I HAVE BEEN OFF OF THE ROAD 24 YEARS NOW AND HAVE DRAMATIC NOTICED THE CHANGE IN THE TRAFFIC. FOR A WHILE , IT WAS JUST ONE WEEK OUT OF THE YEAR WHEN WE HAD THE FAIR THAT WE HAD ANY TYPE OF TRAFFIC. WE WERE INCONVENIENCED A LOT. LAST COUPLE YEARS WITH THE FAIR HAS BEEN HORRENDOUS. IT IS GOING TO GET WORSE. RON ROAD COMES OUT TO 16, NOT FAR FROM 315, 315-A.

I HAVE FIRSTHAND WITNESSED WHEN I WAS DRIVING MY OLDEST GRANDDAUGHTER THE HIGH SCHOOL, MANY ACCIDENTS , ALWAYS THAT PERSON THAT TRIED TO LET THE BUSES TURN IN FRONT OF ME. I HAD SOMEONE GET MAD AT ME AND ALMOST RAN ME OFF THE ROAD AND COULD HAVE KILLED MY GRANDDAUGHTER AND MYSELF.

BECAUSE THERE IS NO LIGHTS. I DID THE RIGHT THING. I CALLED CLAY COUNTY SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT , WHEN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT WAS WITH THE SCHOOL BOARD, I CALLED THEM, I CALLED RINGO SPRINGSPOLICE AND I SAID YOU NEED TO DO SOMETHING. CLEAR OUT HERE IN THE MORNING TIME WATCHING WHAT'S HAPPENING TO THESE HIGH SCHOOL KIDS . NEW DRIVERS AND YOU HAVE HEARD BEFORE TRYING TO GET TO CLAY HIGH SCHOOL. RIGHT DOWN THE ROAD FROM 315, 315-A. UNLESS THERE IS DRAMATIC CHANGES TO 16, WE SHOULD NOT BE ADDING ANY OTHER TRAFFIC TO THOSE ROADS.

IT IS COMPLETELY DANGEROUS. IF YOU HAVE NOT BEEN OUT IN THE MORNING TIME WHEN THE BUSES ARE ROLLING, AND KIDS ARE MAKING THE LEFT HAND TURNS, THEN I ADVISE YOU DO THAT BEFORE YOU APPROVE ANYTHING BECAUSE I WILL TELL YOU, IT IS JUST A MATTER OF TIME. WE HAVE ALREADY SEEN A LOT OF ACCIDENTS HAPPEN. AS FAR AS THE WILDLIFE IS CONCERNED , I HAVE LAND AND I HAVE WATCHED THE CHANGE IN THE ANIMALS. I DO NOT SEE AS MANY DEER AND THEN THEY DO ROAD WORK AND I WILL SEE MORE BECAUSE THEY ARE RUNNING. THEY ARE RUNNING AND NOBODY IS DOING ANYTHING ABOUT IT. 23 IS GOING TO ADD SO MUCH, EVEN , I CANNOT GET ON 16 AS IT IS. PLEASE, WHEN YOU ARE TAKING THIS INTO CONSIDERATION, WHEN THEY BRING IT BACK IN OCTOBER AND THEY DO THE STUDIES PLEASE BE VERY CAREFUL HOW YOU TREAT THE REST OF THE CITIZENS THAT PAID TAXES IN THIS AREA FOR A LONG TIME. THANK YOU.

>> I HAVE NO OTHER CARDS FOR PEOPLE WHO WISH TO SPEAK.

ANYONE THAT STILL WISHES TO SPEAK? YOU DIDN'T GET SWORN IN? OKAY. FILL OUT A CARD AFTERWARDS. I WOULD APPRECIATE

IT. >> THE TRAFFIC WAS IN ST.

JOHN'S COUNTY. I AM TOMMY HAMMOND, REALTOR REPRESENTING THE OWNERS OF THESE PROPERTIES ARE SELLING AND TO BE HONEST WITH YOU WE WERE NOT EXPECTING ANY OPPOSITION TO THE CONTINUANCE AND THOSE THREE OWNERS WANTED TO BE HERE. IN FACT MY PHONE HAS BEEN BURNING UP AND THEY WANT ME TO SHARE A FEW THINGS. FIRST FROM THE PERSON REPRESENTING THE OWNER OF THE LARGEST TRACK WHO WAS LUCY GOODRICH CAWLEY THE GRANDDAUGHTER. THE GRANDMOTHER LUCY GOODRICH DID DONATE OR GAVE 40 ACRES TO THREE OF THE KIDS AS WAS JUST SPOKE OF. TWO OF THE TRACKS 240 CONTRACTS WERE SOLD AND THE GRANDMOTHER DID NOT OPPOSE THAT. THIS WAS THE ONLY TRACK CAPPED 40 YEARS AND SHE PASSED AWAY A COUPLE YEARS AGO.

GRANDDAUGHTER. SHE TELLS ME ADAMANTLY SHE WANTED ME TO PUT HER ON THE PHONE AND HAVE YOU TALKED TO HER BUT I WILL READ TO HER -- YOU THE TEXT. IF YOU NEED TO CALL DURING THE MEETING

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I WILL BE GLAD TO TALK ON SPEAKER, MY GRANDPARENTS GIVE THE KIDS FAMILY PROPERTY MY MOM IS THE ONLY ONE WHO STILL HAD OWNERSHIP. OTHERS SOLD, MY GRANDMOTHER WOULD NOT BE OPPOSED TO THIS PROPOSAL SHE'S THE ONLY ONE WHO KEPT OWNERSHIP OF A PROPERTY. AND THEN SHE WANTED ME TO READ THIS, SHE SENT A TEXT TO ONE OF THE COMMISSIONERS. SHE HAS NOT GOT A RESPONSE BECAUSE I'M SURE THE COMMISSIONER HAS NOT HAD TIME. SHE SAYS I'M THE PERSONAL REPRESENTATIVE OF THE STATE AND ONE OF THE OWNERS OF THE LAND ON 315 UP FOR REZONING. I AM ASKING YOU TO PLEASE VOTE TO REZONE THE PROPERTY. WE HAD MET PREVIOUSLY AND THEY PLANNED A NICE DEVELOPMENT FOR THE AREA IN QUESTION, PLANNED BUFFERS IN AREAS WHERE THERE ARE HOMES AND THEY BUILD QUALITY HOMES UNLIKE SOME OTHER DEVELOPERS. MY BROTHER AND NEPHEW ON HOMES AND PROPERTY CONNECTED TO 34 ACRES TO BE REZONED AND THEY DO NOT OBJECT. UNDERSTAND WANTING TO DO A TRAFFIC STUDY TO ANSWER CONCERNS. PLEASE AT LEAST DELAY THE REZONING THEM OPORTUNITY TO COMPLETE THE STUDY IF YOU WILL NOT YES. I WANT TO MEET WITH YOU MYSELF AND HAVE MY VOICE BE HEARD. THE PERSONAL CONCERNS AND AS THE PERSONAL REPRESENTATIVE FOR MY MOM THE STATE MY VOICE IS AS IMPORTANT AS THOSE AGAINST THE REZONING.

PLEASE VOTE YES TO REZONE THANK YOU. SHE DID SAY SHE WANTED TO BE HERE, BUT SHE IS OUT OF STATE. THE SECOND OWNER AND CENTRAL PIECE IS WANTED ME TO SHARE WITH YOU THAT HE WORKS HARD TO MAKE SURE WHEN THEY LAID THIS OUT THAT THERE WAS CONCERN FOR HIS NEIGHBORS AND HE WANTED THEM TO PUT IN BUFFERS, LOCATE THE PONDS WHERE THEY DID, FOR INSTANCE NO ONE'S HOUSE WILL BACK UP TO ANYTHING THAT'S NOT A GREEN SPACE OR POND FOR SOMETHING THAT'S WELL DONE.

WANTED YOU TO BE AWARE SOME ITEMS HAVE BEEN INCORPORATED IN THE PLAN THAT WERE BROUGHT UP AS PROBLEMS WITH THE PLANNING AND ZONING AND WITH THE COMMISSIONER, THEY WANTED SOMETHINGS PUT IN. SHE ASKED ME TO SAY SHE DOES NOT UNDERSTAND WHY HE WOULD NOT VOTE TO CONTINUE. SHE WANTS TO COME UP AND MEET AND SO DOES SORRY, I KNOW I'M THE REALTOR, THE LEAST IMPORTANT PERSON IN THIS WHOLE THING BUT I AM SPEAKING FOR THEM, THANK YOU

FOR THE TIME. >> APPRECIATE YOU DOING IT.

ANYONE ELSE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? SIR, YOU HAVE

ALREADY SPOKEN. >>

>> DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD? >> I APPRECIATE HIM REPRESENTING THEM. I WORKED ALL OVER THE COUNTRY, I TRAVELED ACROSS THE COUNTRY PER FOLKS AND MY UNION HALL. HAVE MADE ALL KINDS OF TRIPS. IF THEY WANTED TO BE HERE , IF THEY'RE NOT IN THE MORGUE OR SURGERY THEY SHOULD BE HERE. THE PEOPLE THAT IS HERE, THESE PEOPLE SUPPOSEDLY IT'S NOT GOING TO IMPACT. WE ALL DECIDED TO COME DOWN AND

SEE YOU. >> THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS SUBJECT? CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING. BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMISSION. ANY QUESTIONS TO CONTINUE CORRECT? THAT'S WHAT'S ON THE TABLE.

>> THE REQUEST OF THE APPLICANT.

>> WISHING TO CONTINUE TO OCTOBER 22.

>> TAKE A MOTION TO CONTINUE OCTOBER 22 PER THE REQUEST OF

THE APPLICANT. >> I WILL SAY SOMETHING. IS THE COMMISSIONER OF THIS AREA , I SPOKE TO REPRESENTATIVES AND I AGREE THEY DO NICE HOUSES, NICE PEOPLE , OTHER THINGS AND SINCE I HAVE SPOKEN TO THEM, I HAVE BEEN LOOKING MORE, I MET WITH THE NEIGHBORS, GREAT PEOPLE.

NEVER REALLY BIG REASON TO BE CONCERNED. PROBABLY MY BIGGEST CONCERN IS, WELL, TWO. I HAVE KIDS IN HIGH SCHOOL AND THEY

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HAD TO REROUTE IN THE AREA BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO BE SO CAREFUL GOING ON 16 TO GO TO SCHOOL. THAT'S NOT GOING AWAY.

WE HAVE MORE KIDS COMING EVERY SINGLE DAY. THAT WOULD BE MY FIRST, THE SECOND WOULD BE THE WATER. RICHARD , THE FLIGHT STUDY THAT WAS DONE , THAT AFFECTED THIS AREA? THE WHOLE THING , IT WAS SHOWN THIS AREA CORRECT?

>> RICHARD SMITH, CLAY COUNTY ENGINEERING. FLOOD STAGES FOR THE ENTIRE COUNTY SOIL WILL HAVE UPDATED INFORMATION. THIS WATER DOES NOT GO INTO THE SHED ROAD BASIN , IT GOES INTO THE CREEK. IT WILL HAVE CURRENT FEMA DATA.

>> MY QUESTION IS AND I DROVE THE ROADS WITH , THEY SHOWED ME THE AREA. SO YOU HAVE, FROM WHAT THEY SAY, THERE IS APPROXIMATELY 100 ACRES THAT WATER WOULD COME TOWARD THIS DIRECTION AND THEN IT WOULD DISPERSE, SO IT GOES NORTH FIRST IN THE AREA? AND THEN BACK TOWARD GOVERNANCE CREEK?

>> THE DRAINAGE DIVIDE IS SOUTH OF THE SITE BETWEEN THE PROPERTY LINE AND STATE ROAD 16. KIND OF SOUTH OF IN THE MIDDLE OF MURRAY ROAD. AT THAT POINT THE RIDGE IS CLOSE TO THE NORTH SO NOT MUCH WATER COMES OFF SITE FROM THE SOUTH. THEN IT GOES THROUGH THE PROPERTY, IT APPEARS AND I SPOKE WITH THE NEIGHBOR AND HE REMEMBERS , 50 OR 60 YEARS AGO THERE WAS A DITCH, A MAN MAY DITCH ON THE EASTERN HALF OF THE PROPERTY.

>> I SAW, THERE IS STILL A DITCH.

>> THERE ARE NO COUNTY EASEMENTS. WE DON'T KNOW WHO DID IT, IF IT WAS CLAY COUNTY. I WAS TOLD IT WAS DONE FOR THE GOVERNMENT, BUT REGARDLESS, THERE'S NO RECORD OF US DOING ANY UPKEEP I AM AWARE OF OR ANY EASEMENT. THE CURRENT REGULATIONS WILL DEFINITELY REQUIRE THAT NO DRAINAGE EITHER OVER THE LAND OR UNDERGROUND. WE ARE DOING THINGS WE HAVE TO PUT IN POND LINERS ON CATHEDRAL OAK PARKWAY TO KEEP THE WATER WE HAVE THAT WOULD DRAIN UNDER GROUND TO THE POND AND OUT TO PRESERVE THE ADJUSTING WETLANDS. VERY STRICT REGULATIONS THEY HAVE TO WORK WITH IF THIS GETS DEVELOPED.

>> ONLY A FIVE-ACRE RETENTION POND ON THE PROPERTY FOR ALL

THE WATER COMING FROM? >> I HAVE NOT SEEN ANYTHING. WE HAVE ONLY SEEN THE PICTURE WITH NO CONTOUR, THERE IS NO CONTROL STRUCTURE OR PIPES. IT MAY BE A 5 ACRE PARCEL. NOTHING I CAN EVALUATE YET. WE HAVE NOT GIVEN THE DETAILS YET.

>> SO YOU KNOW, WHAT I CAN TAKE IS FROM WHAT THE RESIDENTS HAVE SAID HAPPENS WHEN THERE IS LARGE RAINFALL. SO YOU KNOW THAT DEFINITELY CONCERNS ME. I KNOW THEY'RE ASKING FOR A CONTINUANCE, BUT WE HAVE TO LOOK AT IS THIS SOMETHING WE WOULD STILL GO TO AFTER, WHEN THE TRAFFIC STUDY COMES BACK.

TO EVEN WARRANT HAVING THAT DONE. PERSONALLY , YOU KNOW, I THINK SARATOGA SPRINGS IS MORE THAN 5000 HOMES. A LOT OF

MULTIFAMILY. >> CLOSE TO THAT.

>> SANDRIDGE IS INUNDATED. WE HAVE TONS OF HOMES STILL COMING SO THERE ARE TONS OF HOMES TO BE SOLD. I DON'T THINK THIS IS A GOOD AREA FOR THIS. IF YOU LOOK AT COMPATIBILITY AND YOU LOOK, WE NEED SOME FARMLAND IN THE COUNTY, BESIDES COMMISSIONER CONDON DISTRICT AND THERE'S FARMLAND HERE AND THEY USE IT FOR AGRICULTURE. I SAW MYSELF. SO FOR THAT REASON I THINK IT DOES CONCERN ME THAT THIS DEVELOPMENT WOULD PROBABLY NOT BE A GOOD FIT FOR THIS AREA. I PERSONALLY WOULD NOT AGREE WITH THE CONTINUANCE AFTER ALL OF THAT.

>> IN PLACE. >> WE DO NOT REALLY HAVE A CHANCE TO GIVE OUR PRESENTATION ABOUT THE PROJECT. IF YOU

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DON'T MIND. IF WE'RE GOING TO POTENTIALLY NOT CONTINUE WE WOULD PREFER TO GIVE THE PRESENTATION TO SHOW THE

BENEFITS OF THE PROJECT. >> I THINK THE APPLICANT

DESERVES THE RIGHT TO PRESENT. >> I WILL BE QUICK.

>> THANK YOU. WE ALL KNOW WHERE THIS IS LOCATED. 315 AND 315-A.

CURRENTLY RURAL RESIDENTIAL WITH AGRICULTURE. THIS PROPERTY IS NOT USED FOR AGRICULTURE. IT IS NOT CIVIL CULTURE, IT'S JUST TREES, NOT A FARM OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. WE ARE ASKING FOR UP TO 24 SINGLE-FAMILY UNITS , BUT THAT INCLUDES THE PHOENIX DEAN PARCEL. THIS IS RESIDENTIAL ONLY. WE ARE ASKING FOR RURAL FRINGE. WE ARE REQUESTING A PUD SO REMEMBER THIS IS JUST TRANSMITTAL. JUST THE LAND-USE NOT LOOKING AT THE PUD AT THIS POINT, JUST REQUESTING TRANSMITTAL AT THIS CONTINUANCE OF THE TRANSMITTAL. AND IT DOES MEET THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN BECAUSE WE ARE IN THE URBAN GROWTH BOUNDARY. THIS IS THREE UNITS PER ACRE , THE FUTURE LAND USE ELEMENT POLICY 1.5 1.5.4 REALLY DISCOURAGES LESS THAN THREE UNITS PER ACRE WITHIN THE URBAN SERVICE BOUNDARY NEAR SERVICES. AS YOU CAN SEE WHERE WITHIN THE URBAN SURFACE BOUNDARY. SO, WE DID MEET WITH COMMISSIONER BURKE AND WE APPRECIATE THAT INITIAL MEETING BEFORE SUBMITTING THE APPLICATION. WE HEARD THERE WERE IN THE STRUCTURE CONCERNS SO WE ARE OFFERING A 3 1/2 ACRE PARK ON THE PARCEL BECAUSE THIS IS A PARK, NOT A LOT OF PARKS ARE IN THE AREA. WE ARE OFFERING TO DONATE TO THE COUNTY. WE UNDERSTAND IS USED BY RESIDENTS AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THE COUNTY OF THE PROPERTY, NOT A SINGLE OWNER. WE ARE CONTRIBUTING 300,000 TO THE RIGHT TURN LANE THAT IS IN THE CIP, BUT NOT FUNDED, SO THE RIGHT TURN LANE COULD BE YEARS OFF, BUT WE ARE PROPOSING TO FUND THAT. WE HAVE HAD VALEN COURT ESTIMATE THE IMPROVEMENTS AND EVERYTHING AND IT WAS 270,000. THAT'S WHY WE CAME UP WITH 300,000. WE DID NOT JUST PULL THE NUMBER OUT OF A HAT.

SO, THIS MAP SHOWS WHERE ALL THE GREEN CIRCLES THOSE ARE PARKS IN THE AREA AND THAT'S WHY WE WERE OFFERING THE PARK FOR THE OUTSIDE RESIDENTS AND WE HAVE THE PARKS INTERIOR. AS YOU CAN SEE, ON OUR PROPERTY IS OWNED BY THE PRIVATE OWNER, BUT TO THE RIGHT IT IS COUNTY OWNED. SO WE REALLY THINK IT IS BENEFICIAL FOR THE COUNTY TO OWN THAT ROAD. THIS IS OUR RIGHT TURN LANE AS I ALREADY DISCUSSED. WE ESTIMATE 270,000, THAT'S WHY WE ARE OFFERING 300,000. AND THEN JUST WANT TO POINT OUT THAT THE PROJECT WILL HAVE TO PAY IMPACT FEES AND WE ARE ESTIMATIG 4.4 MILLION IN IMPACT FEES THAT WILL HAVE TO PAY, SO THAT WILL HANDLE LAW ENFORCEMENT, THAT'S ALL OF THE NEW IMPACT FEES THAT YOU FOUGHT SO HARD TO ADD. THAT IS IN ADDITION TO THE IMPROVEMENTS WE ARE OFFERING. REAL QUICKLY WE ARE OFFERING A 10 FOOT BUFFER AROUND THE PROPERTY WITH MINIMUM LOTS OF 50 FEET, THE PROJECT DOES HAVE SCHOOL RESERVED SCHOOL SEATS. WE ARE HAVING THE TIMING OF THE PROJECT TO BE AFTER PETERS CREEKS WASTEWATER FACILITY. AND THEN WE DO BELIEVE IT IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE AREA.

PETERS CREEK BUSINESS PARK PUD HAS 227 UNITS DIRECTLY WEST ON 315 FROM US. 227 UNITS, WE ARE ASKING FOR 214. TO THE NORTH OF SARATOGA SPRINGS, THREE UNITS PER ACRE UP TO MAGNOLIA WEST AND MAGNOLIA POINT THAT'S TECHNICALLY GREEN COVE AT 12 UNITS PER ACRE. SURROUNDING US, THERE IS A MIX OF LOT SIZES. 1

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ACRE, .3 ACRES, IT IS A MIX. NOT EVERYBODY HAS 5 ACRES SURROUNDING US. AND THEN, COMING REALLY QUICK WE WILL BE QUICK ABOUT THE INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENT.

>> COMMISSIONERS.

PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER LICENSED IN FLORIDA. I WILL DO MY BEST TO ADDRESS A COUPLE CONCERNS THAT HAVE BEEN RAISED AND THEN TAKE A MINUTE OR TWO TO TALK ABOUT THE TRAFFIC. I THINK WAS SOME OF THOSE THINGS ARE THAT OR MAYBE QUESTION MARKS NOW TO TALK ABOUT AND I WILL TRY TO STEP BACKWARDS TO THE SITE PLAN WILL QUICKLY. SO, TO ECHO WHAT WAS SAID. WHEN WE ARE SEEKING TONIGHT IS A CONTINUANCE OF A TRANSMITTAL HEARING SO THIS IS A CONTINUANCE OF THE HEARING TO TRANSMIT THIS APPLICATION TO THE STATE FOR FURTHER REVIEW. I KNOW SEVERAL FOLKS HAVE RAISED QUESTIONS, SEVERAL PUBLIC HAVE RAISED QUESTIONS ABOUT MEETING MORE DETAIL AND SO I THINK MUCH OF THE DETAIL WOULD COME OUT OF ADDITIONAL FURTHER REVIEW THAT WOULD COME OUT OF THE TRANSMITTAL, THE STATE REVIEW, OTHER AGENCY REVIEWS. A COUPLE THINGS THAT I WANT TO SHARE AND I THINK WE ARE MENTIONED BY ONE OF THE SPEAKERS, THE REALTOR ABOUT SEVERAL THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN DONE AS FAR AS THIS INITIAL CONCEPT. WHAT I WILL SHARE IS ONE, WE HEARD AT PLANNING AND ZONING AND WE HEARD TONIGHT ABOUT DRAINAGE. SO, THE PALMS, AS THEY ARE DRAWN ON THE EXHIBIT, THEY ARE A PLANNING LEVEL LAYOUT OF THE PONDS. CERTAINLY WE ARE NOT TO THE POINT WHERE WE HAVE FULL SURVEY. WE ARE TO THE POINT WHERE WE ARE SITTING DOWN WITH ESTHER SMITH AND DOING THE ACTUAL DESIGN. SO THIS IS THE INITIAL ESTIMATE. WITH THIS ADDITIONAL TIME IT WILL GIVE US TIME TO FURTHER EVALUATE THE DRAINAGE AND CERTAINLY WE ANTICIPATE WE WILL BE COMPLYING WITH WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT REQUIREMENTS FROM A DRAINAGE STANDPOINT. RELATED TO TRAFFIC AND A COUPLE THINGS TO SHARE, I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT ADDITIONAL BUFFERS, BUT I KNOW, AS WELL, IN LAYING OUT THE SUBDIVISION.

ONE IS THAT IT WAS INTENTIONAL TO NOT HAVE A DRIVEWAY ACCESS TO BECAUSE OF SEVERAL CONCERNS THAT WE HEARD. ADDITIONALLY THE SUBDIVISION HAS THREE SEPARATE DRIVEWAYS TO DISTRIBUTE TRAFFIC SO THERE'S NOT A CONCENTRATION OF TRAFFIC IN ONE LOCATION. SO WE HAVE TWO DRIVEWAY CONNECTIONS TO 315-A AND WE HAVE A DRIVEWAY CONNECTION ALSO DIRECTLY TO 315. I WANTED TO BRING THAT TO YOUR ATTENTION. FROM AN OVERALL IF A STRUCTURE STANDPOINT, CERTAINLY, ONE OF THE THINGS WE ARE EXCITED ABOUT AND WE SEE IS A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF RESTRUCTURED DOLLARS GOING INTO THE GROUND. NOT ONLY WITH THE ROADWAY, BUT ALSO UTILITY. WATER AND SEWER IN THE AREA. STARTING WITH ROADWAYS FROM A ROADWAY PERSPECTIVE WITH CATHEDRAL OAKS PARKWAY, ESSENTIALLY WE ARE HAVING A SECOND EAST AND WEST ROADWAY PARALLEL STATE ROUTE 16 BEING INSTALLED BETWEEN COUNTRY FROM 17 AND FIRST COAST EXPRESSWAY. WE HAVE THE FIRST COAST EXPRESSWAY BEING INSTALLED NORTH AND SOUTH. BOTH OF THESE FACILITIES IN MY OPINION ARE GOING TO DRAMATICALLY IMPACT TROUBLE PATTERNS IN THE AREA. PART OF THE REASON WE ARE REQUESTING CONTINUANCE IS SO WE CAN GO OUT AND DO SOME NEW COUNTS AND WE WOULD LIKE TO DO THOSE WHEN SCHOOL IS BACK IN SESSION. THAT'S THE REASON WE HAVE REQUESTED THE CONTINUANCE TO OCTOBER 22, TO GIVE US TIME TO GET NEW FRESH COUNT DATA WITH STUDENTS IN THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL AND THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL TRAFFIC COUNTED . A COUPLE OF EXAMPLES OF THE QUESTION MARKS. PART OF THE REASON WE ARE PROPOSING FUNDING THE RIGHT TURN LANES, SOUTHBOUND RIGHT TURN LANE AT STATE ROAD 16 IS BECAUSE THE D.O.T. CONDUCTED A SIGNAL WARRANT STUDY AT STATE ROAD 16 AND COUNTY ROAD 315 INTERSECTION AND ARRIVED AT THE CONCLUSION, THERE'S NOT ENOUGH TRAFFIC TO WARRANT A SIGNAL. THERE IS A LITTLE QUESTION MARK

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IN THAT WE ARE HEARING TESTIMONY FROM FOLKS CONCERNED ABOUT TRAFFIC WILLIAMS. AT THE SAME TIME WE HAVE THE D.O.T.

WHO HAS CONDUCTED A TRAFFIC STUDY TO DETERMINE THERE IS NOT ENOUGH VOLUME TO WARRANT A SIGNAL.

>> SORRY. WHAT YEAR WAS THAT? THE D.O.T. STUDY? QUITE A FEW

YEARS AGO. >> I THINK THAT IS SOMETHING WE'RE HOPING TO LOOK AT. TO GET A NEW ACCOUNT TO SEE IF THE VOLUMES ARE NOW AT A POINT WHERE WE COULD WARRANT A SIGNAL

AND HEAVILY ADDRESS CONCERNS. >> RIBBON ASKING FOR A LONG

TIME. >> SO PART OF THE REASON FOR THE REQUEST AND CERTAINLY FROM A TIMING STANDPOINT . WE SEE THAT THESE IMPROVEMENTS, UTILITY IMPROVEMENTS, SO THE EXPANSION OF PETERS CREEK TREATMENT , THE ROADWAY, CATHEDRAL OAKS PARKWAY. THOSE FACILITIES ARE GOING TO BE OPENED AS THE PROJECT IS COMING ONLINE AND HOMES ARE BEING BUILT. CERTAINLY WE KNOW FIRST COAST AND OUTER EXPRESSWAY, THE SEGMENTS ON THE PHASE 2 AS WELL, WILL BE OPENED AS THE PROJECT COMES ONLINE. SO, THOSE FACILITIES WILL HELP SUPPORT THE TRAFFIC AND RESIDENTS AND WATER AND SEWER DEMANDS OF THE RESIDENTS IN THIS PROJECT. SO, SOME ADDED DETAILS FROM THE ENGINEERING PERSPECTIVE AND I WILL TURN IT BACK OVER AND WE WILL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS AFTER THE

PRESENTATION. >> I WILL KINDA FINISH UP. I DID WANT TO ADDRESS A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, THERE ARE GOING TO BE POTENTIALLY RIGHT TURN LANES INTO THE DEVELOPMENTS. THAT IS TYPICALLY DONE IN CLAY COUNTY AT THE CIVIL POINT. SO TYPICALLY, TAYLOR AND RICHARD LOOK AT THE PROJECT AND SAY YOU NEED A RIGHT TURN LANE HERE, THIS IS WHERE YOU NEED THE RIGHT OR MAYBE A LEFT. ALL OF THAT IS TYPICALLY HANDLED AT THE CIVIL PLANNING SET. WE HAVE TO HAVE SIDEWALKS, THAT'S A REQUIREMENT BY CLAY COUNTY. AND THERE IS MANY REQUIREMENTS FOR THE DRAINAGE. TO US THAT IS, ST. JOHN'S WATER MANAGEMENT IS VERY STRICT. SO WE WILL ACTUALLY HAVE TO FOLLOW ALL OF THE REQUIREMENTS. WE DO BELIEVE THIS PROJECT DOES HAVE BENEFITS TO THE COUNTY LIKE THE PARK, LIKE , THOSE IMPROVEMENTS. WE ARE PROVIDING $4.4 MILLION IN IMPACT FEES WITHIN THE URBAN SERVICE BOUNDARY AND IT MEETS THE INTENT OF THE CONFERENCE OF PLAN LIKE THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION. STAFF DOES FIND THERE IS INADEQUATE SUPPLY OF SITES IN THE AREA WITH NO PUBLIC SERVICE WITH CULTURE ZONING BECAUSE IT'S NOT USED FOR AGRICULTURE AND THE PROPERTY IS IN A AREA TRANSITIONING FROM RURAL TO SUBURBAN DEVELOPMENT. THANK YOU

VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. >> SO, I KIND OF OF A HARD TIME WITH YOU CONTINUE TO SAY IT'S NOT USED FOR AGRICULTURAL. THIS PROPERTY ISN'T, BUT AROUND IT IS.

>> WE ARE NOT TRYING TO CHANGE ANYBODY ELSE PROPERTY FROM USING AS AGRICULTURE. WE ARE NOT TRYING TO DO THAT, OUR PROPERTY IS NOT CURRENTLY USED FOR AGRICULTURE SO WE WOULD

LIKE TO CHANGE IT. >> OKAY. NEXT , I THOUGHT AT PLANNING AND ZONING THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING WHAT DO THEY SAY AS FAR AS SCHOOLS? THE KIDS MAY HAVE TO GO TO KEYSTONE? DID THEY SAY THAT?

>> WE DO HAVE THE CONTIGUOUS SERVICE AREA FOR THE COUNTY.

THESE HOMES WILL NOT COME ONLINE UNTIL 2026, SO THEY MAY HAVE TO BE TAKEN TO A DIFFERENT SCHOOL OR MAYBE NOT, WE ARE NOT SURE AT THAT POINT. RIGHT NOW WE ARE IN A CONTIGUOUS ZONE FOR

SOME OF THE SEATS. >> AGAIN THAT IS A BIG CONCERN.

KIDS GO TO CLAY HIGH, THEY BARELY HAVE ROOM IN THE HALLS ALREADY. AS FAR AS THE DRAINAGE REQUIREMENTS, WE HEAR THAT OVER AND OVER AGAIN AND JUST DOWN THE ROAD THERE WAS A HUGE LAWSUIT FROM ANOTHER DEVELOPER BECAUSE THEY DID NOT DO THE REQUIREMENTS, BUT THEY TELL PEOPLE THEY ARE DOING REQUIRED DRAINAGE AREAS SO IT'S HARD TO TRUST BECAUSE IT'S ALMOST LIKE YOU DON'T KNOW UNTIL IT'S DONE. A LOT OF MONEY FOR YOU ALL TO SPEND AND A LOT OF THINGS THAT NEED TO HAPPEN, BUT WHY SHOULD WE EVEN WORRY ABOUT IT IF IT'S NOT REALLY

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SOMETHING THAT SUITABLE FOR THE AREA. A LOT OF ISSUES WILL HAPPEN AS A RESULT. KIDS BEING TAKEN TO KEYSTONE, THAT IS HUGE IT TAKES LIKE 45 MINUTES TO AN HOUR TO GET THERE.

>> WE DO BELIEVE IT IS COMPATIBLE, THREE UNITS PER ACRE IS SIMILAR TO JUST RECTALLY WEST WHICH IS APPROVED AND WE BELIEVE IT IS COMPATIBLE TO SARATOGA SPRINGS AND MAGNOLIA WEST. LIKE I SAID IN MY PRESENTATION I DO BELIEVE THAT THE SURROUNDING AREA IS NOT CONSISTENT. THERE IS ONE ACRE, 3.3, SO THERE IS NO CONSISTENT LAND-USE PATTERN. WE DO BELIEVE THREE UNITS PER ACRE, ESPECIALLY WE ARE ONE AND A HALF MILES FROM THE NEW INTERCHANGE. WE ARE RIGHT NEXT TO A COMMERCIAL NODE. PEOPLE ARE GOING TO WANT TO BE HERE IN

THIS LOCATION. >> MAYBE IN THE FUTURE. THANK YOU SO MUCH. MY MOTION IS TO NOT CONTINUE.

>> I WILL SECOND HER MOTION. MR. CHAIR IF I MAY. I HAVE REAL CONCERNS ABOUT YOUR PRESENTATION. I RECOGNIZE I CHOSE NOT TO MEET WITH YOU AHEAD OF TIME BECAUSE I HAVE TO TELL YOU I DRIVE 315 A LOT BECAUSE I LIVE IN KEYSTONE HEIGHTS. YES MA'AM 45 TO 50 MINUTES. NOT A SAFE TROUBLE. TO BUS THOSE STUDENTS FROM THAT AREA TO KEYSTONE HEIGHTS WOULD BE PUTTING CHILDREN IN DANGER, EVERY SINGLE DAY, UNNECESSARILY. I CALL IT THE CLAY COUNTY AUTOBAHN BECAUSE THE SPEED LIMIT IS 60 MPH AND NOBODY DRIVES 60. HAVE TO PUT IT ON 63 WERE 65 TO NOT BE BLOWN OFF THE ROAD. WE STILL HAVE CONSTRUCTION WITH BLACK CREEK PIPELINE AND WE STILL HAVE CONSTRUCTION FROM D.O.T. AROUND THE BLACK CREEK BRIDGE ON THE SOUTH. PRONG ON 16. THERE ARE REAL CONCERNS ABOUT THAT. WHEN I LISTEN TO THE PRESENTATION, THERE'S QUESTIONS ABOUT WHO EVEN OWNS . I HAVE REAL CONCERNS ABOUT YOU SAY WE WILLING TO DONATE IT TO THE COUNTY. WE DON'T NEED YOU TO DONATE ANOTHER ROAD THAT WE HAVE TO MAINTAIN. WE JUST HAD A CONVERSATION THIS MORNING ABOUT HOW MUCH WE NEED TO PUT INTO THE ROAD RESURFACING. WE HAVE A LIST OF ROADS NOW THAT THE COUNTY OWNS AND I HAVE PEOPLE WHO TELL ME ALL THE TIME I WILL DO YOU DO MY ROAD OVER. WE DON'T WANT YOU TO, THAT'S NOT, THAT DOES NOT HELP US TO MAINTAIN IT. SO I HEAR QUESTIONS ABOUT WHO EVEN OWNS THAT PART OFCANNOT BE TURNED OVER. YOUR PRESENTATIONS HAD RESERVED SCHOOL SEATS THEY ARE NOT RESERVED IF THEY DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY SEND THE CHILDREN TO SCHOOL THAT'S NOT RESERVED. YOU DID NOT SAY YOU HAVE CONCURRENCY OR GUEST THAT'S WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT . WE HAVE HEARD IT, SO THE PRESENTATION, TO ME, DOES NOT SEEM LIKE THE PROJECT IS READY TO BE DELIVERED . I DON'T THINK IT'S COMPATIBLE . UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE SAYING ABOUT WHAT'S COMING IN THE AREA, THIS COMMISSION DID NOT APPROVE ANY OF THAT. THAT STUFF HAS BEEN APPROVED, FIRST COAST EXPRESSWAY WAS 25 TO 30 YEARS AGO. SARATOGA SPRINGS BACK IN THE EARLY 2000 IN ACTUALITY. IT CAME BACK NO IT IS WHATEVER THOSE THINGS WERE. DRI WITH A BIG GOLF COURSE IN THE MIDDLE OF IT. SO WE WERE LEFT TO TRY TO DEAL WITH THAT. I THINK IT IS MISLEADING TO THE PUBLIC TO ACT LIKE ALL THIS OTHER STUFF HAS BEEN APPROVED IN THE AREA SO WHY DON'T WE? THE REALITY IS THAT YOUR PROPERTY OWNER DOES NOT HAVE ZONING TO DO THIS. ON A LOT OF THINGS LIKE SARATOGA SPRINGS WE DID NOT GET AN OPPORTUNITY TO SAY YES OR NO, BUT THAT WAS PART OF THE DENIAL ON THE SHED ROAD, IT WAS NOT COMPATIBLE IN THE AREA. I APOLOGIZE THAT YOUR CLIENT FEELS LIKE THEY SHOULD DO THIS, BUT THEY ARE RETAINING THAT PART IN THE MIDDLE. I HAVE HEARD OFF-LINE STORIES ABOUT WHY THAT'S BEING RETAINED.

SOUNDS LIKE IT IS A FAMILY MESS I WOULD NOT EVEN WANT TO GET IN THE MIDDLE OF. THE WHOLE THING FEELS KIND OF HALF BAKED. I DON'T THINK WE ARE READY. AND TO THE POINT FROM COMMISSIONER BURKE AND I WILL SAY COMMENTS ABOUT D.O.T. FROM COMMISSIONER BURKE AND I WILL SAY COMMENTS ABOUT D.O.T. I SIT ON THE NORTH FLORIDA TPO WITH COMMISSIONER BURKE, D.O.T. IS NOT IN FAVOR OF ANY EXPANSION OF STATE ROAD 16. THE WORK THEY ARE DOING ON STATE ROAD 16 BETWEEN FIRST COAST EXPRESSWAY AND THE FAIRGROUNDS IS AT THE CLAY COUNTY REQUEST BECAUSE WE KEEP

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TELLING THEM WE HAVE ISSUES. THEY HAVE HAD THAT SECTION OF THOSE TWO LANES OF 16 TORN UP AS LONG AS I HAVE BEEN A COMMISSIONER WHICH IS 3 1/2 YEARS. HAVE TO SLOW DOWN AND IT'S MAKES THROUGH AND YOU FEEL YOU'LL GET RUN OFF THE ROAD BECAUSE NOBODY BEHIND YOU WANTS TO GO 35. IT IS BOTH WAYS. UPHILL ONE WAY AND DOWNHILL. YOU COME TO THE GOALIE. I DON'T THINK D.O.T. IS GOING TO DO ANYTHING. I DON'T KNOW WHEN THE WARRANT STUDY WAS DONE. I HAVE SAT IN TRAFFIC TO TURN RIGHT ON 15, 15 OR 20 MINUTES IN CURRENT CONDITIONS. I HEAR YOU ABOUT SARATOGA SPRINGS AND PETERS CREEK AND THAT KIND OF THING AND I KNOW IS A DIRT ROAD. SO WE ARE NOT THERE YET. NOT AT THAT POINT. ANYWAY. LONG AND SHORT OF IT IS I AGREE WITH THE COMMENTS FROM COMMISSIONER

BURKE. >> IF I MAY IS FUNDING HIGH NOT KEYSTONE FOR THE CONCURRENCY. WE HAVE SCHOOL CONCERNS HE SOME SEATS GO TO FLEMING HIGH NOT KEYSTONE. AND WE ARE NOT TRYING TO BE MISLEADING IN TERMS OF COMPATIBILITY. WE WERE JUST TRYING TO PAINT THE PICTURE. I THINK THAT WAS ALL AND YES WE ARE AWARE , THAT'S WHY WE'RE TRYING TO DO THE TRIP STUDY TO SHOW THAT MAYBE THERE IS A SIGNAL WARRANTED THEIR AND NEEDED NOW BECAUSE IT MAY HAVE BEEN A FEW YEARS SINCE THE STUDY AND YES WE ARE AWARE D.O.T. IS NOT EXCITED ABOUT WIDENING 16. WE JUST KNOW TECHNICALLY THEY ARE IN THE

PROCESS FOR THAT. >> YES, I CAN JUST TELL YOU THE REACTION WHEN WE MENTIONED 16 AND THEY SAY HOW OUT AND THEY MENTION ANOTHER ROAD.

>> WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND TO DISALLOW. DO YOU SEE A WAY FORWARD? OCTOBER 22? GIVEN ALL THE TESTIMONY?

>> I THINK WE WOULD HAVE THE FACTS ON THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND HOW THE PROJECT MEETS AND WORKS WITHIN ALL THE NEW IMPROVEMENTS. I DON'T THINK ANYONE WITH THE COUNTY HAS LOOKED IN TERMS OF HOW CATHEDRAL OAKS WILL AFFECT WITH THE RIGHT TURN AND THE NEW INTERCHANGE. THAT'S WHAT WE

WOULD LIKE TO SHOW. >> OCTOBER 22?

>> YES WE ARE REALLY QUICK. WE DID SAY, WE HAD TO WAIT UNTIL SCHOOL COMES IN SO WE HAVE TO DO THE COUNT AND TYPICALLY WE WILL WAIT A COUPLE WEEKS AFTER SCHOOL STARTS BECAUSE TYPICALLY THE FIRST COUPLE WEEKS, THERE ARE DIFFERENT TYPES OF BUSING AND MAMA'S TO DROP OFF SO-AND-SO, SO WE WAIT A FEW WEEKS SO WE MAKE SURE WE HAVE ENOUGH TIME, THAT'S WHY WE WAITED FOR OCTOBER 22. SO WE HAVE TIME TO WRITE THE REPORT.

>> I CAN SAY PERSONALLY, I SEE PROBLEMS WITH A WAY AHEAD . I HAVE HEARD TRAFFIC CONCERNS, I HAVE HEARD TRAFFIC STUDY, I HAVE HEARD A LOT OF DIFFERENT ISSUES ON THE SUBJECT SO I CAN'T AGREE AND I WON'T AGREE WITH A NON-CONTINUANCE. I HAVE

TO ASK FOR VOTE ELSE WANTS TO S >> MR. TERRY IF I COULD. I DON'T KNOW IF I WILL SUCCESSFULLY CHANGE ANYBODY'S MIND ON ANYTHING IN REGARDS TO THIS PROJECT. I USUALLY DEFER TO THE COMMISSIONER IN THAT DISTRICT BECAUSE SHE HAS PROBABLY LOOKED AT THIS A LOT MORE THAN I HAVE. ALTHOUGH I HAVE LOOKED AT IT QUITE A BIT. FROM A SENSE OF FAIRNESS I THINK THAT THE OWNERS OF THE PROPERTY DESERVE A DAY IN COURT. IF NOTHING ELSE I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR THEIR SIDE AND FROM THE REALTOR AS TO WHY THERE WERE NOT ABLE TO COME

TODAY. IF THAT'S OKAY. >> THEY ARE OUT OF TOWN AND I THOUGHT A CONTINUANCE WOULD BE AUTOMATIC AND THEY APOLOGIZE. I WANT TO SAY THERE IS ABSOLUTELY ZERO CONTROVERSY ABOUT KEEPING THE CENTERPIECE. THE REASON THEY DO THAT THEY LOVE IT THERE. THEY MOVED TO ANOTHER CAME BACK. HE FELT THAT LIKE FORT KNOX. IF I EVER HAVE A TORNADO I'M GOING TO HIS HOUSE. HE HAS STABLES FOR HORSES, HE HAS A SEPARATE HOUSE AND HE LOVES THIS DEVELOPMENT.

HE WORKED WITH THEM IN THE BUILDING BUFFERS FOR HIM AND

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HIS NEIGHBORS IN THE POND SCUM IN ANDY'S REALLY EXCITED AND EVEN CHERYL COPELAND OUT-OF-STATE TEXTED ME, SHE WANTS TO BE HERE. SHE DID NOT KNOW IT WOULD BE OPPOSITION FOR CONTINUANCE, THEY WANT TO MEET WITH COMMISSIONER BURKE OR ANYBODY ELSE . I'M SORRY THEY WERE NOT HERE AND I WAS NOT GOING TO SPEAK, I AM THE LOWLIFE REALTOR, BUT THAT'S

THE REASON. THANK YOU. >> THEY MUST BE THE ONLY ONES NOT ON FACEBOOK BECAUSE EVERYBODY ELSE HAS SEEN IT.

I'VE BEEN SPOKEN TO ALL WEEK LONG AND LAST WEEK SO EVIDENTLY THEY ARE NOT ON FACEBOOK AND NEVER SAW ANYTHING ABOUT IT.

PERSONALLY I WOULD HAVE BEEN HERE IF IT WAS ME.

>> I DON'T WANT TO GUESS AT THE WEATHER COULDN'T OR COULD BE HERE. IF IT WAS ME , I WOULD LIKE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SELL MY PROPERTY. I HEARD FROM SOMEBODY SAYING THEY WERE FORCED TO SELL THE PROPERTY , THOSE LEFT IN A WILL OR WHAT HAVE YOU. LIKE I SAID I WILL DEFER TO YOUR THOUGHT PROCESS, BUT IF THERE'S ANY WAY TO MOVE FORWARD IT IS A TRANSMITTAL SO IT'S NOT THING WE WOULD VOTE UP OR DOWN EVEN OCTOBER 22. SO THAT'S THE THOUGHT I WANTED TO PUT OUT. I THINK THEY WOULD DESERVE THAT AND FEELING THAT THERE'S NO TIME TO GO TO THE TIME , ENERGY AND EXPENSE BECAUSE I DON'T SEE HOW MOST OF THE OBJECTIONS CAN BE OVERCOME IN A COUPLE MONTHS.

>> MR. CHAIR, IF I MAY. I ECHO THE SENTIMENTS OF YOU MR. CHAIR AND COMMISSIONER. FOR ME IT BOILS DOWN TO WHETHER IT'S RIGHT, JUST OR FAIR, TO WEIGH IN ON MOVING FORWARD WITH THE TRANSMITTAL PROCESS KNOWING AT THE END OF THIS THE COMMISSIONER OF THE DISTRICT HAS ALL BUT SAID THIS IS NOT SOMETHING SHE'S GOING TO BE IN FAVOR OF. IN OUR CONVERSATION I DID MEET WITH YOU AND I SAID THAT IF YOU COULD PAINT A PICTURE TO ADDRESS ALL THE CONCERNS TO BE RAISED I WOULD HAVE NO ISSUE SUPPORTING THIS. THE PROBLEM IS, WE DON'T HAVE THAT , AT LEAST FOR MY VOTE. I LAID IT OUT ON THE TABLE AND TOLD YOU , IF YOU CAN ADDRESS THIS AND ADEQUATELY CHANGE THE CONCERNS I DON'T SEE AN ISSUE. I'M NOT OPPOSED TO THE DEVELOPMENT, IT JUST HAS TO MAKE SENSE AND THOSE WHO ARE MOST AFFECTED HAVE TO BUY INTO THE PROJECT AND I DO NOT SEE A PATH FORWARD BEYOND OCTOBER. IN LIGHT OF THE CONVERSATIONS BEING HAD HERE. AND SO I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH GRANTING YOU WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR, BUT I DON'T SEE THERE BEING A

BENEFIT BEYOND THIS. >> THANK YOU. WE WOULD PREFER TO CONTINUE, DO THE STUDY, AT THE EVIDENCE FOR YOU TO HELP MAKE A DECISION BASED ON THE EVIDENCE, THAT WOULD BE THE

DECISION . >> IF IT COULD ALSO A REMINDER WE DID NOT GET TO IT, BUT THE PLANNING COMMISSION ENDED UP 4-4 AND ONE OF THE BOATS WAS AFFIRMATIVE BY THE SCHOOL BOARD BECAUSE HE HAS TO VOTE THAT WAY BECAUSE THERE IS CONCURRENCY.

SO EVEN THE PLANNING COMMISSION WAS DEEPLY DIVIDED OVER WHICH WAY THEY NEEDED TO GO WITH THAT.

>> ANYTHING TO ADD? >> JUST THAT IT IS A TRANSMITTAL. FOR THE PUBLIC UNDERSTANDING REALLY, THE BOARD , WHAT THE BOARD IS ASKED TO DO TONIGHT IS TO, WELL, TO CONTINUE, BUT THE VOTE WHERE THEY NOT TO CONTINUE HAS TO DO WITH THE APPROVAL TO TRANSMIT THIS APPLICATION TO THE STATE IN ORDER TO GET THE STATE'S COMMENTS AND THEIR AGENCY TO WEIGH IN AND PROVIDE COMMENTS SO THE BOARD CAN MAKE THAT MORE INFORMED DECISION AT THE APPROVAL STAGE WHICH IS A LATER MEETING. AND ALSO THERE IS A COMPANION PD REZONING APPLICATION WITH THIS THAT HAS MORE OF A WE HAVE HEARD TONIGHT ABOUT THE SITE PLAN THEN YOU PROBABLY NORMALLY WOULD. BUT,

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THE PUD WILL ALSO GO TO THE BOARD AND IT WOULD COME BACK TO YOU, THE BOARD ALONG WITH THIS FUTURE LAND USE CHANGE. WE TRY TO PAIR THEM UP FOR FINAL APPROVAL. JUST THOUGHT I WOULD TRY TO CLARIFY THAT PROCESS A LITTLE BIT .

>> I WOULD JUST SAY ALSO WHAT CAME TO MY MIND TONIGHT WAS THE PARCEL SOUTH OF THIS, ON STATE ROAD 16 CAN BE FOR US, FOR THE SAME THING. FOR A LARGE-SCALE TRANSMITTAL TO THE STATE. LESS THAN SIX MONTHS AGO. IT WAS THAT GUST OF SIN PROPERTY.

RECOGNIZING KIND OF WHERE WE WERE STANDING. THE APPLICANT SHOWS TO WITHDRAW . SO WE DID NOT VOTE ON WHETHER TO TRANSMIT OR NOT. I THINK THE SAME CONCERNS WE HAD WITH THAT PARCEL ARE TRUE WITH THIS ONE. BUT AGAIN I FEEL LIKE, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. WE HAVE HEARD MORE TONIGHT, BUT I WOULD ALSO SAY I THINK, AT LEAST I'M GETTING SMART ABOUT WHAT TO LOOK FOR AND YOU KNOW TONIGHT WE APPROVED BALLOT WHICH TO ASK ODORS ABOUT CONSERVATION. IN THE PREPARATION FOR THAT, THERE WAS SOME POLLING DONE THAT ASKED CLAY COUNTY RESIDENTS IF THEY THOUGHT CLAY COUNTY WAS GROWING TOO FAST. 65% OF CLAY COUNTY SAID YES . SO I DON'T KNOW THAT WE ARE OFF BASE. I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY OF YOU LIVE IN CLAY COUNTY. I KNOW ALL OF YOU TO , BUT YOU KNOW. THAT'S WHAT I THINK THE PUBLIC FRUSTRATION IS. WE HAVE PLANNERS AND DEVELOPERS AND EVEN REALTORS WHICH DON'T REFER TO YOURSELF AS LOWLY, YOU ARE A PROFESSIONAL AND YOU PRESENT YOURSELF VERY WELL. BUT ALL OF THESE PEOPLE , THEY COME INTO CLAY COUNTY AND TELL US WHAT WE SHOULD BE DOING. THAT'S WHAT I HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC. THEY DON'T WANT TO HEAR FROM SOMEONE WHO DOESN'T LIVE HERE, WHAT WE SHOULD BE DOING BECAUSE WE LIVE HERE EVERY DAY. I HAVE KNOWN MISS STACY FOR YEARS. SHE AND I KNEW EACH OTHER 10 YEARS AGO THAT'S RIGHT. SO I THINK THAT IS WHAT PEOPLE HERE AND THAT'S WHAT I HEARD IN THE POLLING THAT WAS DONE AND THAT WAS NOT DONE BY US, THAT WAS NOT DONE BY THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS. IT WAS A OUTSIDE ENTITY. I GUESS I FEEL LIKE I NEED TO LISTEN TO THAT. ALSO I THOUGHT ABOUT THE OTHER PARCEL WE DID NOT TRANSMIT OR WE

DIDN'T BECAUSE THEY WITHDREW. >> JUST FOR INFORMATION . A CONTINUANCE MEANS WE DELAY THE WHOLE EVOLUTION WE JUST CONDUCTED UNTIL OCTOBER 22. BUT THERE WILL BE MORE INFORMATION TO CLARIFY CONCERNS. THE MOTION ON THE TABLE IS TO DENY THE CONTINUANCE. MOTION AND A SECOND SO WITHOUT FURTHER DISCUSSION I'M GOING TO ASK FOR A VOTE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF DENYING THE CONTINUANCE VOTE AYE. OKAY ALL THOSE OPPOSED ? SO THE VOTE WAS 3-2 TO DENY THE CONTINUANCE. THAT IS THE AGENDA ITEM CORRECT ? THAT'S THE AGENDA ITEM.

>> WHILE IT IS CONFUSING. YOU'RE RIGHT. IT'S KIND OF CONFUSING. THEY CHANGED THE AGENDA ITEM.

>> THAT'S WHY I'M LOOKING AT THE ATTORNEY. THEY REQUESTED IT BE CONTINUED, BUT YOU DENY THE CONTINUANCE.

>> IS THE ACTUAL PROJECT ? JUST THE TRANSMITTAL .

>> IT IS NOT HAVE TO BE TRANSMITTED TO GO FORWARD?

>> IT HAS TO BE TRANSMITTED >> NOW WE HAVE TO VOTE ON THAT?

>> SO IT WOULD BE A MOTION TO EITHER CONSIDER TRANSMITTAL OR

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DENY . >> IF I MAY , CONSIDERING THE VOTE WE WOULD LIKE TO WITHDRAW

>> WE HAVE TO VOTE ON THAT? OKAY.

>> THANK YOU, WE APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, APPRECIATE IT .

>> LET ME CALL A FIVE MINUTE RECESS TO CLEAR THE CHAMBER OF ANY NONPARTICIPANT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. APPRECIATE IT. WE WILL

[33. Final Public Hearing to consideradoption of COMP 24-0013 and PUD 24-0005. (District 5. Comm. Burke ) (M.Brown)]

>> LET ME CALL THE COUNTY COMMISSION BACK INTO SESSION WITH ITEM NUMBER 33 FINAL PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER COMP

PLAN 0013 AND 24 00105 . >> MR. CHAIRMAN AND COMMISSION . THIS IS AN APPLICATION FOR SMALL-SCALE LAND-USE CHANGE AND COMPANION REZONING THE APPLICANT IS 3305 HIGHWAY 70 GCS LLC THE APPLICANT IS , THE PLANNING COMMISSION HEARD THIS , BOTH OF THESE ITEMS IN THE JULY 2 MEETING. A LITTLE BACKGROUND, TOTAL PARCEL 4.22 ACRES. SPLIT LAND-USE AND SPLIT ZONING. SMALL-SCALE LAND-USE AMENDMENT IS 0.63 ACRES TO CHANGE FROM WORLD FRINGE COMMERCIAL. THE ZONING MAP , THE COMPANION ZONING AMENDMENT WOULD CHANGE THE ENTIRE 4.22 ACRE PARCEL FROM PA, BB NAR , TO PLAN COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT. THE PARCEL HAS APPROXIMATELY 530 FEET OF FRONTAGE ON U.S. 17. NORTH OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS COMMERCIAL LAND USE AND BB ZONING WHICH HAS EXISTING COMMERCIAL USE AS WELL AS RESIDENTIAL. SOUTH OF THE SUBJECT PARCEL , IT IS SKILLED NURSING FACILITY DEVELOPED UNDER THE PUD ZONING , WEST CROSS U.S. 17 IS COMMERCIAL LAND-USE AND UNDEVELOPED LAND-USE AND COMMERCIAL ZONING PROPERTY EAST OF THE SUBJECT PARCEL IS PROPERTY OR PARCELS THAT ARE ZONED AR WITH RURAL FRINGE FUTURE LAND USE DEVELOPED WITH RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT. PROPOSED LAND USE CHANGE AND ZONING BEING REQUESTED TO FACILITATE DEVELOPMENT OF A RESTAURANT WITH A VENDING SPACE. THIS SHOWS YOU THE MAP , THE LAND USE . YOU CAN SEE THE EASTERN NORTHERN CORNER IS THE LAND USE CHANGE AND THE ZONING MAP ON THE LEFT SHOWS YOU THE ENTIRE PARCEL WITH THREE ZONING DISTRICTS REQUESTED TO GO TO THE PCD . JUST, IN ANALYZING FOR THE LAND USE CHANGE , THE COMMERCIAL LAND-USE DESIGNATION ALLOWS A MAXIMUM DENSITY OF 40% FLOOR AREA RATIO WHICH WOULD POTENTIALLY ADD 10,977 10,977 FT.÷ OF COMMERCIAL RESTAURANT SPACE. WATER AND SEWER PROVIDED BY GREEN COVE SPRINGS WITH , THEY HAVE AVAILABLE CAPACITY. TRIP GENERATION BASED ON PROPOSED USE AS PRESENTED IN THE PUD APPLICATION WILL BE 91 COVER TRPS , SOLID WASTE CAPACITY AVAILABLE AT THE CLAY COUNTY LANDFILL FOR THIS PROJECT. THERE IS NO SCHOOL

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IMPACT WITH NO IMPACT TO REGIONAL SIGNIFICANT HABITAT AND NOT LOCATED IN LAND NOISE AREA ASSOCIATED WITH CAMP LANDING. THE REQUESTED LAND-USE CHANGE IS CONSISTENT WITH FUTURE LAND USE POLICY 1.4.8 TO ALLOW FOR ADDITIONAL COMMERCIAL LAND-USE. ON THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP VIA SMALL-SCALE AMENDMENT. IT MEETS THOSE CONDITIONS. THE WRITTEN STATEMENT FOR THE PUD AS I POINTED OUT EARLIER INDICATES THE DESIRE TO ASSOCIATE WITH THE RESTAURANT AHEAD OF THE EVENT VENUE SPACE. WITH OUTDOOR SEATING AND MUSIC. STAFF HAD RECOGNIZED THAT DIRECTLY BEHIND THIS PARCEL IS RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT. AND HAS A POTENTIAL CONCERN WITH IMPACTS TO THE EXISTING RESIDENTS FROM OUTDOOR AMPLIFIED MUSIC . AND AMPLIFIED NOISE . THEREFORE, STAFF HAD ORIGINALLY , WHEN I WENT FORWARD TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED THAT , AMPLIFIED OUTDOOR SOUND BE PROHIBITED AFTER 11:00 P.M.

DAILY. THE PLANNING COMMISSION , I WANT TO POINT OUT TO THE BOARD THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED THAT TIMEFRAME BE CHANGED TO 10:00 P.M. THIS SHOWS YOU AN INITIAL SITE PLAN FOR THE PROJECT. SETBACK A LITTLE BIT FROM U.S. 17 FROM PARKING IN FRONT. THERE ARE WETLANDS TO THE REAR AND TO THE SOUTH WHICH DOES PROVIDE ADDITIONAL OFFERING TO THE RESIDENTIAL AREAS. FOR EXISTING RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT. SO, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CHANGE IN LAND USE FROM WORLD FRINGE TO COMMERCIAL ON 0.63 ACRES AND A CHANGE IN ZONING FROM , TO PLAN COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT ON THE TOTAL .22 ACRES OF THE PARCEL. THERE ADEQUATE UTILITIES PROVIDED BY GREEN COVE SPRINGS. STAFF HAS REVIEWED THE APPLICATION AND DETERMINED THE REQUEST IS COMPATIBLE WITH SURROUNDING AREA. THE REQUESTED PCD ZONING IS ALLOWED IN COMMERCIAL FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION. STAFF DOES RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF COMP PLAN SMALL SCALE COMP PLAN AMENDMENT 24- 0013 TO AMEND FUTURE LAND USE ON 0.63 ACRES TO COMMERCIAL. AND STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE PUD , 24-005 TO AMEND ZONING ON THE 4.22 ACRES TO PCD CONTINGENT ON APPROVAL OF THE COMP PLAN AMENDMENT FOR THE LAND-USE CHANGE. ADOPTION OF AMENDMENT TO THE PCD WRITTEN STATEMENT THAT THE APPLICATION OF OUTDOOR SOUND BE PROHIBITED AND I POINTED OUT STAFF ORIGINALLY RECOMMENDED 11:00 P.M., THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED 10:00 P.M. STAFF WOULD HAVE NO ISSUE WITH EITHER TME FRAME.

THAT WOULD BE AT THE DISCRETION OF THE BOARD AND WITH THAT DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF AT THIS POINT?

>> MR. CHAIR IF I COULD. I GET HUNG UP. IF WE GO BACK TO LOOK AT WHAT YOU TALKED ABOUT THANK YOU. TALKING ABOUT AMPLIFICATION OF OUTDOOR SOUND. IS THAT DIFFERENT , DOES THAT MEAN SOMEBODY CAN USE A AMPLIFIER WITH SOUND ON THE OUTDOOR BACK DECK AND LATER THAN 10:00 JUST A GUITAR PLAYER DOES NOT AMPLIFY OR ANY SOUND?

>> THE RECOMMENDATION FROM STAFF AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION WAS PROHIBITION AT WHATEVER TIME FRAME THAT IS OF ONLY AMPLIFIED SOUND SO YOU COULD HAVE AN ACOUSTIC MUSICIAN OUT THERE BASED ON THE RECOMMENDATION . YOU CANNOT

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HAVE YOU CANNOT AMPLIFY SOUND AFTER 11:00 OR WHATEVER THE TIMEFRAME IS , OUTDOORS. INDOORS, THE RECOMMENDATION IS FOR OUTDOORS. 'S BUT AGAIN YOU TALK ABOUT AMPLIFICATION OF SOUND. TALKING ABOUT USING SOMETHING THAT HAS A AMP .

THAT'S 10:00, BUT OTHER TYPES OF SOUND LIKE A GUITAR, A GUY SINGING WITHOUT ACCOMPANIMENT CAN BE OUT FOR AS LONG AS HE

WANTS? >> YES AS LONG AS HE WAS NOT

AMPLIFIED. >> I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.

>> BAGPIPES AND A DRUM. >> EXACTLY. LOOKING AT THE CLOSENESS OF WHERE THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES ARE BEHIND THERE AND UNDERSTANDING EVEN UNTIL 10:00 HAVING AMPLIFIED SOUND THAT COMES OUT AT 80 OR 90 DB AND THAT TROUBLES QUITE A BIT. WHERE PEOPLE COMPLAIN ABOUT WHITEY'S AND THEY ARE COUPLE BLOCKS AWAY. THEY STILL COMPLAIN, NOT ALL BANDS, BUT SOME. CERTAINLY INSIGHT I DON'T THINK IT MUCH MATTERS. THAT'S A DIFFERENT STORY SO THOSE ARE THE THINGS I THINK. THE HANGUP ON THIS IS THE SOUND. WHAT IS TOO LATE? AS FAR AS THE PROJECT IS CONCERNED WE HAVE GREAT BARBECUE, THEY'RE DESPERATE FOR RESTAURANTS IN THE GREEN COVE AREA. AT THIS POINT I AM IN FAVOR OF ALL OF IT, OTHER THAN TRYING TO RECTIFY THE SOUND ELEMENT FOR THOSE PEOPLE WHO ARE LISTENING TO THIS 365 DAYS A YEAR. THE ONLY OTHER QUESTION I HAVE IS A LITTLE PIECE THEY HAVE COMING OFF THE DECK. I THINK MAYBE A PAVILION OR SOME KIND OF GAZEBO OR SOMETHING. WHAT IS THAT GOING TO BE AND HOW BIG OF A FOOTPRINT IS THAT FOR PEOPLE BEING OUTSIDE IN THAT FACILITY?

>> THERE WAS NO SIZE TIED TO THAT. IN THE SITE PLAN. PERHAPS THE AGENT WILL BE ABLE TO RESPOND BETTER .

>> OKAY THANK YOU. >> ANY QUESTIONS? IS IT POSSIBLE TO PROHIBIT ANY MUSIC AT ANY TIME?

>> YES AT THE DISCRETION OF THE BOARD FOR THE PCD, PUD.

>> APPLICANT PRESENT ? ) >> A COUPLE THINGS TO CLARIFY.

ONE , THE GROUP WITH THE BARBECUE HAS PURCHASED PROPERTY WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION. OBVIOUSLY THEY ARE COMPLYING WITH EVERYTHING JUST MY INTENT AND I UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERN, I THOUGHT WHEN THEY SAID NO OUTSIDE MUSIC I WAS THINKING NO OUTSIDE MUSIC, NOT LIKE A GUITAR OR SINGER COULD BE OUTSIDE IF THEY SAID NOTHING AFTER 10:00. IN MY DISCUSSION WITH MY CLIENT , EVERYTHING HAS TO BE INSIDE AFTER WHATEVER TIME SO THAT WAS THE INTENT. I WAS NOT THINKING YOU COULD SNEAK IN A GUITARIST OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, BUT WHAT I RELAYED TO HIM AFTER WE TALKED WAS THEY NEED TO BE INSIDE AFTER WHATEVER TIME. OBVIOUSLY HE WOULD TAKE ANYTIME, 11:00 OR 10:00 , HE WOULD WANT THE PROJECT. WE ARE FLEXIBLE AND BECAUSE IT IS PCD, YOU CAN DO THAT, THE WHOLE IDEA, YOU CAN DO IT. WE FEEL THE WETLANDS PROVIDE A BUFFER TO THE RESIDENTIAL AREA AND, AS YOU KNOW, THE VA IS LIMITED TO 2500 FT.÷ PER BUILDING. THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WE WENT WITH , WE HAD REZONING, THE REASON WE WENT WITH PCD IS TO LIMIT THE DEVELOPMENT. WE WANT TO THE IDEA OF HAVING A RESTAURANT TO SELL ALCOHOLBUT WE DO NOT WANT THE BAD STUFF, THAT'S THE BEST WAY OF SAYING THAT THE INTENSITY ALLOWED BY RIGHT.

GOING TO THE PCD, LIMITING PRIMARILY A RESTAURANT, BUT JUST IN CASE EVEN THOUGH WE HOPE IT WILL BE GREAT, IF THEY WANTED , YOU COULD HAVE PROFESSIONAL OFFICES OR RETAIL

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AND IF THEY DECIDE A LOT OF RESTAURANTS, THEY HAVE A STORE TODAY THAN THEY CAN DO THAT BUT THE INTENT IS FOR A RESTAURANT.

THAT'S WHAT WE WANT, WITH A ROOFTOP UPSTAIRS AND WE NEED TO PCD TO GO A LITTLE HIGHER TO HAVE THE ROOFTOP DECK. THAT'S WHY WE ARE DOING THAT. RC NOT , YOU HAVE DEVELOPMENT ALL AROUND AND COMMERCIAL, MORE INTENSE COMING OF THE SALOON OF THE STREET, WE THINK THEY WILL BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR. WE WILL MEET THE CURRENT LANDSCAPING AND LIGHTING REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE IN THE PUD. SO WE THINK IT'S GOING TO BE A GOOD PROJECT, ASKED THE COMMISSIONER SAID, IN THE AREA FROM GREEN COVE SPRINGS A NEW VENUE FOR PEOPLE, AS USED TO WORK WITH GREEN COAST IS A LOT TO DRIVE TO, NOT DRIVE FROM THE AREA. SO I THINK THAT'S GOOD FOR TRAFFIC AND SO THEY'RE DOING THE REVERSE INSTEAD OF GOING UP THE STREET. I THINK IT IS A REALLY GOOD PROJECT AND GOOD REDEVELOPMENT. AT SOME POINT AND TIME IT WAS SOMEBODY'S HOUSE WHICH WAS TORN DOWN, BUT I THINK THIS WOULD FIT AND IT WOULD BE A POSITIVE DEVELOPMENT ADDING A GOOD RESTAURANT WELL KNOWN IN THE COMMUNITY. AS WELL AS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FOR THIS AREA OF THE COUNTY. I AM HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS. I DON'T WANT TO GO ON FOREVER.

HOPEFULLY I CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE.

>> CAN YOU GIVE US THE SITE PLAN AGAIN? OKAY THAT LITTLE PAVILION OFF THE BACK END. MY PROBLEM IS IT GETS EVEN CLOSER.

CAN WE TURN IT OUT THE OTHER WAY?

>> I THINK AND THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION. POSSIBLY WE CAN MARK THAT AROUND. I DON'T EVEN HAVE A PROBLEM AND I SHOULDN'T SAY THIS IS MY CLIENT IS NOT HERE. THAT IS NOT GOING TO BE MUSIC VENUE, THAT WAS LIKE IF PEOPLE WANTED TO GO SIT OUTSIDE, IF THEY DECIDE TO HAVE A SMALL OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THEY CAN DO THAT OVERLOOKING THE WETLANDS. THAT'S NOT WHERE THEY DO THE PANDORA MUSIC AND I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM LIMITING WITH NO MUSIC AMPLIFICATION . ON THE PAVILION BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY IT'S CLOSER TO THE COMMUNITY. IS AN AREA TO GO SIT. I WENT TO A WEDDING ONCE IN CHARLESTON AND THEY HAD A PAVILION LIKE THAT AND BASICALLY THEY PUT A BUNCH OF

COUCHES. >> I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH NOISE COMING FROM THE PAVILION. BECAUSE THE BUFFER IS VEGETATION SO COVERS THE LIGHT BUT NOT SOUND, SOUND GOES

THROUGH THE VEGETATION. >> RIGHT, LOOKING AT THAT WOULD BE LIKE TALKING SO IF WE NEED TO LIMIT I DON'T HAVE A

PROBLEM WITH THAT EITHER. >> WHEN YOU LEAVE HERE WHATEVER ENDS UP HAPPENING I WANT TO MAKE SURE THOSE FOLKS WERE CLOSE BY AND BEHIND AND THERE IS A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT RESIDENTIAL UNITS, THAT THEY ARE NOT GOING TO BE PAYING THE

PRICE FOR THE MUSIC. >> THE GOOD THING LOOKING WHERE THE HOUSES ARE, THEY ARE CLOSER TO THE ROAD NOT AS MUCH BACK TO THE WETLANDS. I LOOKED AT THAT WHEN I WAS PLANNING THIS. THE STRUCTURE ITSELF IS MORE IN TOWARD THE ROAD, NOT BACK TO THE WETLANDS. THEY ARE LARGE, THREE OR 4 ACRE PARCELS.

>> THANK YOU. >> ANY OF THE QUESTIONS FOR THE

APPLICANT? >> I HAVE A QUESTION. THERE IS A BAR SOUTH OF TOWN WITH A LOT OF COMPLAINTS ABOUT SOUND.

OBVIOUSLY THEY ARE NOT ABIDING BY THE RULES. MY QUESTION WOULD BE WHAT CAN WE DO AFTERWARDS BECAUSE I THINK , I LOVE GARY, VERY EXCITED ABOUT THE BARBECUE BEING THERE. AND I THINK HE WOULD DO , HE WOULD BE CONSIDERATE. SO EVERYBODY ELSE COULD FEEL BETTER, UNTIL 10:00 OUTSIDE AND THEN GO INSIDE.

WHAT CAN BE DONE IF HE DOESN'T ABIDE BY THAT? I GUESS YOU CALL THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE EVERY TIME?

>> THAT'S THE IMMEDIATE. HOWEVER, THAT WOULD BE A VIOLATION OF THE PUD AND CODE ENFORCEMENT OR PCD. SO THERE IS ADDITIONAL ENFORCEMENT THAT THE BOARD WOULD HAVE.

>> CODE ENFORCEMENT. THAT'S THE BENEFIT IN THE PCD IT WOULD BE CODE ENFORCEMENT AFTER THAT TIME.

>> OKAY, THANK YOU. FINAL PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS ITEM I DO NOT HAVE ANY CARDS BUT I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING

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AND IF ANYONE WISHES TO SPEAK ON THIS , SEE NONE AND HEARING ON I CLOSE THE PUBLICAN BRING IT .

>> I VOTE APPROVAL. >> THERE TWO ITEMS, TWO VOTES THE LAND-USE CHANGE AND THEN THE REZONING.

>> AND THEN PCD. >> ONE AT A TIME.

>> I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE APPROVAL TO CHANGE LAND-USE.

>> I WILL SECOND. >> MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE THE COMP PLAN CHANGE 24 0013 . ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE, ANY NAY'S LIKE SIGN. THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. I WILL ENTERTAIN A

MOTION TO APPROVE PCD. >> MOVE APPROVAL TO PROVE . AS

REVISED. >> WITH A RESTRICTION OF NO MUSIC OUTDOOR MUSIC AFTER 10:00 P.M.

>> YES. >> SECOND THE MOTION.

>> PUD OR PCD? >> PCD.

>> OKAY ANYWAY, PCD. MOTION AND SECOND, COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS , CONCERNS? AS MODIFIED WITH 10:00 P.M. PROHIBITION OF OUTDOOR MUSIC. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE, ANY NAY'S LIKE

[34. Final Public Hearing to consider ZON 24-0012 (M. Brown)]

SIGN. THAT PASSES 5-0. THANK YOU. ITEM NUMBER 34 IS A FINAL PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER ZONING 24 0012 PROMOTED BY

STAFF . >> CHAIRMAN AND BOARD. AS THE CHAIRMAN INDICATED THIS THE SECOND ADOPTION AND RE-ADOPTION HEARING FOR A CODE TEXT AMENDMENT, TO SECTION 3-33 THE PLAN UNIT DEVELOPMENT ZONING DISTRICT INITIATED BY STAFF.

PLANNING COMMISSION HEARD THIS AT JULY 2 AND WE WENT OVER THIS AT YOUR PREVIOUS MEETING EARLIER IN THE MONTH. GOING OVER THE CHANGES AGAIN WILL QUICKLY. SUMMARIZING CHANGES STAFF ATTEMPTED TO ENHANCE AND BE MORE SPECIFIC ON WHAT IS SUBMITTED DURING THE APPLICATION FOR PUD. WITH , MORE SPECIFIC REQUIREMENTS AS TO THE TYPE OF USE , THE SIZE , SQUARE FOOTAGE OF USES AND EXPLANATION OF WHY THE PROPOSED APPLICATION , HOW IT IS DIFFERENT FROM THE STANDARD RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICTS AND HOW THE PROPOSED APPLICATION IS ENHANCED AND IS BETTER THAN WHAT IS REQUIRED IN STANDARD RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICTS. AS WELL AS HOW THE PROJECTS, AN EXPLANATION FROM THE APPLICANT AS TO HOW THE PROPOSED PROJECT IS COMPATIBLE WITH SURROUNDING AND PROPOSED USE IN THE AREA . THERE IS A PROPOSED CHANGE THAT WOULD REQUIRE PUD'S THAT FLAPS BECAUSE THEY DID NOT CONVINCE DEVELOPMENT TO COME BACK TO THE BOARD FOR APPROVAL BEFORE THEY COULD SEEK ANY FURTHER BUILDING DEVELOPMENT OR BUILDING PERMITS. IT REDUCES AS PROPOSED BY STAFF PRODUCING THE MINIMUM ACREAGE TO PUD FROM 5 ACRES TO 1 ACRE I WANT TO POINT OUT THE PLANNING COMMISSION VOTED TO MAINTAIN THE 5 ACRE MINIMUM AND REQUEST FURTHER STUDY AND COME BACK FOR THAT. I WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT AND PROVIDE ADDITIONAL REQUIRED INFORMATION RELATED TO SCHEDULE FOR THE PHASED PUD'S, IDENTIFICATION OF WHERE THE PHASES ARE AND A GENERAL IDEA OF WHAT THE AMOUNT OF DEVELOPMENT WITHIN EACH OF THOSE CASES. IT DELETES THE VISUAL BARRIER REQUIREMENT IN THE CODE FOR PUD'S BECAUSE IT IS THE EXACT SAME BARRIER IN EVERY OTHER STANDARD

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RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT PUD'S THAT ARE SUPPOSED TO BE BETTER THAN RESIDENTIAL STARTING DEVELOPMENT. WE HAVE TAKEN THAT OUT IN ANTICIPATION AS PART OF THE APPLICATION. THE APPLICANT WOULD PROVIDE WHAT THEY PROPOSE 40% FOR THE PRINCIPAL STRUCTURE FOR THE PRIMARY RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE. AND AN ADDITIONAL 10% TOTAL FOR ALL ACCESSORY STRUCTURES. AS I POINTED OUT AFTER THE PREVIOUS MEETING WHEN WE WENT OVER THIS, THIS IS ONE OF THE ISSUES WE HAVE SEEN , A RECURRING PROBLEM, ESPECIALLY SOME OF THE OLDER PUD THAT DID NOT SPECIFY WHAT THE LOT COVERAGE IS. SO OUR ZONING CODE SAYS 30% TOTAL. IN PUD. IF IT IS NOT OTHERWISE IDENTIFIED IN THE PUD ORDINANCE. THAT HAS LED TO SOME ISSUES WITH THE PRIMARY RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE BEING BUILT AT 30% AND THEN THE FUTURE HOME BUYER ONCE TO PERMIT A SHED AND THEY COME IN AND WE HAVE TO TURN DOWN THAT PERMIT BECAUSE IT EXCEEDS LOT COVERAGE. THE 40% FOR THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE AND 10% FOR ACCESSORY STRUCTURES IS CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WE HAVE IN LAKE ASBURY. SO THERE WAS REASON TO HOW WE CAME UP WITH THAT. IT DELETES THE LIST OF ALLOWABLE CONDITIONAL USES . IT IS STAFF'S BELIEF THAT IS SOMEONE IS COMING FORWARD WITH A PUD, THEY TELL US WHAT USES THEY WANT AND NOT, YOU KNOW, THEY SPECIFICALLY TELL US. ALSO AS PART OF THAT, WE CAN LOOK AT WHAT REQUIREMENTS AND STANDARDS THEY ARE PUTTING IN TO ADDRESS THOSE USES. AND THEN LASTLY, IT CONSOLIDATES A LOT OF THE STANDARDS THAT WERE IN THERE FOR DIFFERENT SIZED PROJECTS.

AND THEY WERE BASICALLY ALL REPETITIVE OF EACH OTHER, SO IT JUST CONSOLIDATE THEM INTO ONE STANDARD FOR ALL PUD'S. SO WITH THAT, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE PROPOSED CHANGES TO SECTION 3.33 AS PROPOSED. THE COMMISSION VOTED 7-0 TWO THE APPROVAL WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE REDUCTION OF MINIMUM PROJECT SIZE FROM FIVE ACRES TO ONE AKER. THEY WANTED TO KEEP IT AT FIVE ACRES AND MAYBE RELOOK AT THAT. SO I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT STAFF THINKS IT ONE AKER IS REASONABLE, BUT THE PLANNING COMMISSION WANTED TO KEEP THAT AT FIVE ACRES. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE YOU AWARE OF THAT AS PART OF YOUR DECISION-MAKING. WITH THAT, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF

STAFF? >> YES, CHAIR. IN THE PREVIOUS ORDINANCE, I AM JUST DOUBLE CHECKING TO MAKE SURE IT CHANGED. I WAS TOLD IT DID CHANGE. BUT WE AMENDED THE ORDINANCE PUD TO ELIMINATE GARAGE SALES?

>> NO, WE LEFT THAT THE SAME . IT IS THE EXACT SAME.

>> IT IS ALMOST UN-AMERICAN TO KEEP PEOPLE FROM SELLING STUFF

OUT OF THEIR GARAGE. >> YES.

>> I UNDERSTAND YOU HAVE SOMEBODY OPERATING A FLEA

MARKET FROM THE GARAGE. >> THE PLANNING COMMISSION OTHERWISE. AND SO STAFF CLARIFIED AND JUST LEFT IT THE SAME. WE HAVE NOT SEEN IT AS A PROBLEM YET, SO WHY CHANGE

THAT? >> ALL RIGHT. GARAGE SALES.

THAT IS ALL I HAD FOR RIGHT NOW , MR. CHAIR.

>> WOULD YOU MIND ELABORATING A BIT MORE AS TO WHY STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS TO REDUCE DOWN TO ONE ACRE WHERE AS PLANNING AND ZONING PREFERS FIVE?

>> FROM STAFF STANDPOINT, WE BELIEVE THAT IT PROVIDES SOME OPPORTUNITIES. JUST TO TELL YOU WHERE WE ARE COMING FROM, I MEAN, THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES FOR INFIELD, STEPH BELIEVES.

AND WE HAVE COME INTO SOME ISSUES. WE HAVE TWO PROJECT'S

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, THEY JUST SO HAPPEN TO BE NON-FOR PROFITS THAT WANTED TO DO SOME RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT THAT DID NOT FIT WITHIN ANY OF OUR EXISTING STANDARD RESIDENTIAL UNIT OR STANDARD RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICTS. BUT THEY COULD NOT MOVE FORWARD BECAUSE THEY WERE LESS THAN FIVE ACRES. I MEAN, FOR THOSE SPECIFIC ONES, BOTH OF THOSE DEVELOPMENTS WERE PROPOSING RESIDENTIAL UNITS THEN WERE SMALLER THAN WOULD BE ALLOWED IN ANY OF OUR DISTRICTS, THE LIVABLE AREAS OF THOSE UNIT.

AND WE BELIEVE THAT ONE AKER, YOU HAVE THE POTENTIAL TO BE ABLE TO DO SOME OF THAT AND BE ABLE TO MAKE IT FUNCTIONAL AND WORK. AND SO THAT IS WHY STAFF WAS RECOMMENDING ONE AKER.

>> BUT THE CODE IS CURRENTLY AT FIVE?

>> THE CURRENT CODE SAYS FIVE.

>> MR. CHAIR, IF I COULD, ARE WE TALKING, YOU STARTED TIPTOEING AROUND THIS. ARE WE TALKING TINY HOUSES HERE?

>> IN THOSE CASES, THEY WERE. THAT IS WHAT THOSE PROPOSALS

WERE. >> IT SEEMS TO ME THAT IS WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO ACHIEVE. WOULDN'T IT BE BETTER TO ATTACK THAT AS A PROBLEM RATHER THAN CHANGE THE WHOLE PUD? MY PROBLEM IS THAT YOU START MESSING WITH THE SIZE OF PUD WHAT WE HAVE NEIGHBORHOODS NOW THAT HAVE ONE AKER, ONE HOUSE, AND NOW THEY CAN PUT TWO MORE OR WHATEVER, RIGHT?

>> AND THAT WAS THE CONCERN OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

>> THAT CHANGES NEIGHBORHOODS.

>> YES. I MEAN, THAT IS THE POTENTIAL. ALSO, THE PUD'S HAVE TO COME TO THIS BOARD TO GET APPROVAL. YES. I MEAN, THAT

WAS THE ARGUMENT. >> YOU KNOW, I WOULD RATHER SEE US, IF WE ARE GOING TO DO SOMETHING, WE WOULD RATHER TAKE ON THE WHOLE TINY HOUSE THING AS A CHANGE IN THAT RESPECT THAN JUST TAKING APART THE PUD. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE AT

LEAST I WAS CLEAR. >> THAT WAS STAFF'S REASONING.

>> THE ONLY NEGATIVE I SEE WITH THAT , I REMEMBER, AND IT IS NOT EXACTLY APPLES TO APPLES, BUT MR. MILLER IS HERE. HE CAN HELP ME IF MY MEMORY DOES NOT SERVE RIGHT. BUT I REMEMBER IS DOING, IT WAS VILLAGE CENTER, IT WAS IN LAKE ASBURY. AND BECAUSE THEY HAD TO BRING IT INSIDE, IT WAS SMALLER THAN FIVE ACRES, BUT HE GAVE US THE ABILITY TO HAVE THAT CONTROL OVER WHAT SPECIFICALLY COULD BE USED AND COULD NOT BE USED IN THERE. I THINK WE JUST HEARD ABOUT THAT RESTAURANT. I DON'T KNOW IF WE WOULD HAVE BEEN SO ANXIOUS ABOUT CHANGING THEIR ZONING IF IT COULD HAVE JUST BEEN PRETTY MUCH ANYTHING.

ALTHOUGH WITH THE RESIDENTIAL BEHIND IT, THAT LIMITS WHAT IT COULD HAVE BEEN. SO I COULD SEE SOME BENEFIT TO THE LESS THAN FIVE ACRES. I HEAR WHAT YOU ARE SAYING ABOUT THE MINIMUM SIZE OF THE HOMES. AND I THINK THAT IS SOMETHING THAT -- STEVE IS NOT HERE, BUT I THINK FLORIDA BUILDING CODE WILL HAVE TO ADDRESS THE MINIMUM LIVABLE SIZE, YOU KNOW, AS THE TINY HOUSE THING COMES UP. THERE ARE SOME OF THESE BUILDINGS, METAL BUILDINGS THAT ARE SHUT -LIKE, BUT THEY ARE NOW BUILDING THEM UP TO BUILDING CODE STANDARDS. UP TO HURRICANE ANDREW STANDARDS FOR THINGS LIKE WIND, THINGS LIKE THAT. BUT THEY DO NOT MEET THE MINIMUM SQUARE FOOTAGE OF 700, THEY ARE MORE LIKE 650--ISH SQUARE FOOTAGE. I AGREE WITH YOU, WE WILL HAVE TO ADDRESS IT SEPARATELY. THAT IS THE REASON WHY I WAS LEANING TOWARD WHAT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE. BUT I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE SAYING. IF THERE IS ONE AKER LEFT AND AN EXISTING SUBDIVISION, WE CERTAINLY DO NOT WANT THAT TO COME AND CHANGE THE TUNE OF WHAT IT IS. I AM INCLINED TO GO WITH THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION. I LIKE THE

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OTHER CHANGES THAT WERE MADE. AND SO I WOULD MOVE THAT WE APPROVE, OH, WAIT. WE ARE A PUBLIC HEARING, RIGHT? WE HAVE TO WAIT. BUT I THINK THAT FOR NOW, LET'S MAKE THESE CHANGES AND LIVE WITH THOSE. AND THEN IF STAFF WANTS TO COME BACK LATER AFTER WE LIVE WITH THESE CHANGES AND SEE HOW IT GOES.

>> I AM SHORT COURTNEY HAS THE FILE SEVEN YEARS AGO FROM WHEN SHE AND I WORKED ON TINY HOUSES BEFORE HE GOT EVISCERATED HERE

ON THE BOARD FLOOR. >> IT COULD BE YOUR DAY. WE DID CHIP SEAL EARLIER, WE COULD BE TINY HOUSES TODAY.

>> IT ALL COMES AROUND. >> I THINK WE HAVE SOMEBODY WHO

WANTS TO SPEAK TO THIS. >> WE CAN OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING NOW. THIS IS A FINAL PUBLIC HEARING I DO NOT HAVE ANY -- OH, YES I DO. OPEN THIS PUBLIC HEARING ON THE CARD.

CLINT NELSON. >> GOOD EVENING. HOW ARE Y'ALL DOING? I AM CLINT NELSON, 700 LANEY BOULEVARD. I AM HERE TO SPEAK ON THIS AMENDMENT HERE OR THIS ZONING CHANGE RELATED TO THE LOT COVERAGE PERCENTAGE PART OF IT AND HOW IT AFFECTS THE RESIDENCE OF CLAY COUNTY. THE LAST MEETING, I WAS AT THE ZONING MEETING TO SPEAK ON IT AS WELL. BUT CURRENTLY IT IS 30% LOT COVERAGE. THE PUD IS SILENT, IT IMPACTS YOUR RESIDENCE AND THE FACT THAT A LOT OF HOMES ARE BUILT AT THAT OR EVEN OVER THAT CAPACITY ALREADY. AND IT CAN GET NO FURTHER STORAGE OPTIONS, AND RESIDENTS WILL FIND A WAY TO GET STORAGE OPTIONS. IN THIS WAY, WE ARE AN ORGANIZATION, IT WILL BE ALL PERMITS. BUT THIS WAY, CUSTOMERS OR RESIDENTS IN CLAY COUNTY CAN THEN GO AND GET A STORAGE OPTION THAT IS LEGALLY PERMITTED, MEETS WIND CODE AND THAT CLAY COUNTY IS WHERE IT IS THERE AND IS ALSO AWARE THAT IT MEETS THE WIND CODES AND SETBACK REQUIREMENTS AND EVERYTHING TO MAKE THE SAFETY OF THE COUNTY AND RESIDENTS IMPORTANT ALSO. IF WE GIVE THEM AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO IT THE RIGHT WAY, THEY WILL DO IT THE RIGHT WAY. IF WE PREVENT THEM FROM THAT, THEY WILL STILL

DO IT. >> MR. CHAIR? MR. NELSON, YOUR CONCERN IS ABOUT COVERAGE MORE SO THAN THE SIZE OF THE PUD?

>> THE LOT COVERAGE PORTION. >> SO WE GO TO THE 40% REGARDLESS OF WHAT THE SIZE OF THE PUD, THAT HELPS YOU?

>> ON THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE SIDE, THE 10%. ACTUALLY, A 5000 SQUARE-FOOT LOT WOULD STILL THAN ALLOW 45,000 SQUARE-FOOT SHED HERE THAT IS A PRETTY GOOD-SIZED SHED HERE TO THE AVERAGE SHED IS 120 SQUARE FEET OR LESS. SO THAT WOULD ALLOW MOST RESIDENTS TO GET WHAT THEY WOULD NEED. ON THE OTHER SIDE, YOU WILL STOP BUILDING THOSE STORAGE BUILDINGS ALL OVER THE

PLACE. >> I AM WITH YOU THERE.

>> OH, NOBODY IS HERE FROM THAT SIDE, SORRY.

>> IT IS TOUGH IF THEY ARE, JUST THE WAY IT WORKS.

>> THINK YOU WILL, HAVE A GOOD EVENING.

>> ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THE SUBJECT? SEEING NONE, HEARING NONE, WE GO BACK TO COMMISSION.

>> I WILL STILL MOVE THAT WE APPROVE IT WITH THE PLANNING

COMMISSION'S RECOMMENDATION. >> I SECOND.

>> A MOTION IN A SECOND. BUT I STILL HAVE A QUESTION. WE SHOULD FURTHER INVESTIGATE THE FIVE-ACRE REQUIREMENT. I WAS

STILL INVESTIGATING THAT? >> WE WILL TAKE A LOOK AT IT.

WE HAVE NOT, I WILL BE HONEST WITH YOU, I HAVE NOT LOOKED AT IT SPECIFICALLY. BUT WE WILL CONTINUE TO LOOK AT THAT.

>> I MEAN, THERE IS A DICHOTOMY HERE. STAFF ASKED FOR ONE. YOU KNOW, WE ARE GOING BACK TO 5 HERE. THERE IS A REASON WHY STAFF ASKED FOR ONE. WHETHER IT BE A TINY HOMES EXCLUSIVE FOCUS, I CAME IN HERE THINKING ONE WILL NOT MAKE IT FOR ME. I THOUGHT MAYBE THREE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. SO I THINK WE NEED TO FURTHER INVESTIGATE. WHETHER IT BE A FULL-FLEDGED

SMALL HOME FOCUS OR PUD. >> WE WILL LOOK AT THAT AND CONSIDER A ZONING DISTRICT SPECIFICALLY FOR THE SMALLER HOMES. ANY OTHER COMMENTS, QUESTIONS, CONCERNS? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? ANY OPPOSED? IT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.

[35. Final Public Hearing to consider adoption of COMP 24-0012. (District 2, Comm. Compere) (M. Brown)]

>> THANK YOU, MIKE. >> ITEM 35 . FINAL PUBLIC

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HEARING TO CONSIDER ADOPTION OF COM P 24-0012. THAT IS IT.

>> CHAIRMAN AND BOARD, COMP PLAN TO 4-0012. AS THE GERMAN INDICATED, THIS CONTINUED FROM THE JUNE 25TH BOARD MEETING. I WILL JUST DO IT REAL QUICK UNLESS YOU WOULD LIKE TO GO OVER IT IN DETAIL AGAIN. THE APPLICANT IS DAVID PADGETT, DUANE PADGETT, SHIRLEY PADGETT, THAT -- SANDY PADGETT SMITH. A SMALL-SCALE LAND-USE AMENDMENT ON 7.71 ACRES FROM RURAL RESIDENTIAL TO BRANAN FIELD MASTER-PLANNED COMMUNITY. IT IS IN THE DOCTOR'S INLET IN THE RIDGEWOOD PINE DISTRICT.

COMMISSION DISTRICT 2. THE PLANNING COMMISSION HEARD THIS ON JUNE 4TH. THIS IS THE LOCATION . I WILL ASK FOR THE BOARD'S DISCRETION ON HOW MUCH DETAIL YOU WANT TO GO THROUGH.

WE DID GO THROUGH THIS ON THE 25TH. SO IF STAFF IS WILLING TO GO THROUGH AGAIN BASED ON YOUR DISCRETION OR DESIRES.

>> I THINK YOU BETTER GO THROUGH IT, BECAUSE I CANNOT

TELL. >> OKAY. I WILL CONTINUE. THE PROPOSED USE OF THE PROERTY WOULD BE FOR SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION. YOU DID VOTE TO DENY THIS REQUEST ON MARCH 26TH BASED PRIMARILY ON TRAFFIC ONCERNS. THE APPLICANT HAS PROVIDED A NEW TRAFFIC ANALYSIS WHICH HAS BEEN PROVIDED TO THE COURT IN THE PACKET. THIS SLIDE SHOWS THE EXISTING LAND USE AND THE AERIAL. THE PARCEL DOES, TO THE EAST, TODAY SENT, ABOUT THE MASTER-PLANNED COMMUNITY LAND-USE. EXISTING ZONING IS BRANAN FIELD PUD. THIS SHOWS THE EXISTING LAND USE WITH THE SUBDIVISIONS THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE SLIDE. YOU CAN SEE IT IN BLUE, THOSE EXISTING SUBDIVISIONS. THROUGH THE DENSITY BONUS POINT CRITERIA SET FORTH IN THE BRANAN FIELD MASTER-PLANNED WERE DEVELOPED AT A HIGHER DENSITY THAN THE UNDERLYING ZONING DOES ALLOW. BUT THE UNDERLYING LAND USE DOES ALLOW AND IS CONSISTENT WITH THE DENSITY BONUS CRITERIA IN THE BRANAN FIELD MASTER-PLANNED. THE MASTER-PLANNED COMMUNITIES IS SET UP TO BE REDUCED ON THE DISTANCE FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD CENTERS COMMUNITY CENTERS AND ACTIVITY CENTERS. WITH A STEP DOWN WITH HIGHER DENSITIES CLOSER TO THE COMMERCIAL, THOSE ACTIVITY OR COMMUNITY CENTERS, AND LOWER DENSITIES AS YOU MOVE FURTHER AWAY TOWARDS CONSERVATION AREAS. THE PARCEL IS LOCATED IN THE URBAN SERVICE AREA. WATER AND SEWER IS AVAILABLE. IT CAN BE EXTENDED TO THE SITE. TRAFFIC IMPACT, MOBILITY PHRASES ARE DUE AT THE TIME OF DEVELOPMENT AND WILL ADDRESS AS WE SET UP TRAFFIC IMPACTS OR ADDRESS TRAFFIC INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS. SCHOOL CONCURRENCY IS REQUIRED. SOLID WASTE CAPACITY IS AVAILABLE.

THE SITE IS NOT LOCATED IN THE FLOODWAY AND DOES NOT CONTAIN SIGNIFICANT HABITATS. THERE IS NO HISTORIC STRUCTURES, AND THE PARCEL IS NOT LOCATED NEAR A CAMP LANDING. THE SUBJECT PARCEL IS APPROXIMATELY 0.4 ACRES FROM THE BRANAN FIELD ACTIVITY CENTER. AS I POINTED OUT EARLIER, IT IS IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO THE BRANAN FIELD MASTER-PLANNED COMMUNITY. AND IN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL ADJACENT TO IT. THE SITE IS IN A TRANSITION AREA BETWEEN A HIGHER DENSITY AND INTENSITY FOUND NEAR THE ACTIVITY CENTER TOWARDS A LOWER DENSITY

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NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE CHANNING STATE FOREST TO THE WEST OF THE SITE. DENSITIES PERMITTED IN THE BRANAN FIELD MASTER-PLANNED COMMUNITY RANGE FROM 12 UNITS PER ACRE TO ONE UNIT PER THREE GROSS ACRES. AND THE PARCEL IS LOCATED WITHIN THE MASTER-PLANNED AREA THAT WOULD NOT CONSTITUTE URBAN SPRAWL.

STAFF RECOMMENDS COMP PLAN 24 AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION VOTED 5-0 TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL. WITH THAT, IS THERE

ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF? >> DO WE HAVE A CAC THAT COVERS

THAT AREA? >> I DO NOT BELIEVE THERE IS

YET. >> YOU ARE SHAKING YOUR HEAD OR JUST NODDING OFF TO SLEEP?

OKAY, THANK YOU. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR

STAFF? >> GOOD AFTERNOON. MR. CHAIRMAN, FELLOW COMMISSIONERS. I WANT TO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO REAPPEAR BEFORE YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE DEFERRAL DURING THE LAST MEETING WE HAD LAST MONTH.

I KNOW MANY OF YOU IN THE LAST SEVERAL WEEKS HAVE BEEN ON VACATION AND HAD TIME OFF. I DO APPRECIATE THE TIME THAT YOU BESTOWED UPON ME TO TAKE MY PHONE CALLS AND MEETINGS AS WELL DURING YOUR TIME OFF. SO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THAT.

I'M VERY FORTUNATE AND GRATEFUL. AND ALSO, I WANT TO THINK MIGHT TWO LITERALS, STELLA AND REAGAN OVER HERE, THE GROUP YOU FOR BEING PATIENT WITH ME THIS EVENING. THEY HAVE BEEN QUIET AND GOOD. I WANT TO THANK YOU SO MUCH. JUST TO HIGHLIGHT A FEW THINGS ON THIS PROJECT AGAIN AND SOME OF THE THINGS THAT YOU BROUGHT FORTH AND QUESTIONS YOU BROUGHT FORTH DURING OUR FEW MEETINGS TOGETHER , CONCERNS OF TRAFFIC BEING ONE OF MANY CONCERNS. WE DID HAVE A TRAFFIC STUDY COMPLETED. I WILL ASK BILL SHEAFFER IN A MOMENT TO COME UP AND TALK ON THE TRAFFIC STUDY. IT INDICATED THE SECTION IN FRONT OF THE PROPOSED NEIGHBORHOOD AT TINES GOING TO THE FAR WEST IS A 30% CAPACITY. A COUPLE OF THINGS WITH THAT, I DO WANT TO POINT IT OUT AS WELL , THERE IS OVERALL AVAILABILITY AND CAPACITY AVAILABLE IN THAT AREA. IT IS ONE OF THE THINGS WE HAD TALKED ABOUT WITH STAFF IN SEEKING SUPPORT AND UNDERSTANDING WITH THE TRAFFIC ISSUES. WE WILL OVERSIZE OR ENTRANCE, I DO NOT KNOW IF WE STATED THAT. BUT WE WILL OVERSIZE THE ENTRANCE AND HAVE A TAPER ON THE ENTRANCE TO ALLOW THE VEHICLES TO BE ABLE TO DO SO. THAT IS SOMETHING WE WANT TO BRING UP AND MENTION AGAIN. THE TRAFFIC STUDY WAS COMPLETED BY A REPUTABLE ENGINEERING FIRM. I KNOW THERE WERE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE REPORT AND SUCH. THE TRAFFIC ENGINEER HIMSELF IS A PHD THAT SHE TEACHES TRAFFIC ENGINEERING AT UMASS. I DO WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THAT. I DO NOTHING IT WAS PUT ON THE RECORD LAST TIME. THESE 34 HOMES GOING IN ON THESE SEVEN ACRES, FOUR AND HALF UNITS PER ACRE LESS THEN THE 12 UNITS PER ACRE THAT MIKE BROWN HAD MENTIONED EARLIER. ONE OF THE THINGS TOO THAT HAD BEEN MENTIONED BY ONE OF YOUR FELLOW COMMISSIONERS, YOU HAD MENTIONED BEFORE INTERCONNECTIVITY BETWEEN OUR NEIGHBORHOODS. I KNOW TO THE EAST THE AMERICAN OVERRUNS, I BELIEVE IT IS, THEY'VE HAD SUCCESS, WE COULD GET IN TOUCH WITH THEM. WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO CONNECT WITH THEM AND HAVE SOME CONNECTIVITY WITH THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD. HOWEVER, WE HAVE AGREED ON DEVELOPING THIS NEIGHBORHOOD IS REGULAR ENTRY POINT THERE, HAVING AN ACCESS POINT TO THE PARCEL DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO US IN THE WEST. IF IT EVER IN THE FUTURE IS DEVELOPED, HAVING ACCESS TO THAT PARCEL IN THE FUTURE. SO THERE IS SOME INTERCONNECTIVITY AMONG THE NEIGHBORHOODS IF WE ARE PLANNING FOR FUTURE GROWTH.

THIS IS SOMETHING WE ARE GOING TO DO AS WELL. I WANT TO TOUCH ON A FEW ITEMS HERE THAT I WANT TO MENTION. I KNOW THE COUNTY MANAGER GAVE A REPORT, HIS QT REPORT IN 2024. HE TOUCHED ON ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND SUPPORTING JOBS AND ECONOMIC GROWTH TO BRING JOBS HERE. BUT THE SECOND POINT OF THAT THAT DOES NOT GET MENTIONED IS WE NEED ADEQUATE HOUSING TO SUPPORT THOSE JOBS. THIS NEIGHBORHOOD BEING CLOSE TO OUR

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JOB CENTERS, WHERE WILL THOSE I WOULD JOBS BE LOCATED? DOCTORS AT ST. VINCENT FOR EXAMPLE IN THE EPICENTER THERE THAT WE HAVE NEARBY, THE MEDICAL FACILITIES, WE NEED HOUSES IN THE $400-$600,000 RANGE THAT THOSE INDIVIDUALS WILL BUY, THUS HAVING THEM CLOSER TO THEIR WORK CENTERS. IT IS SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT. GUESS, WE HAVE TO HAVE THE ADEQUATE HOUSING NEARBY TO ALLEVIATE SOME OF THE TRAFFIC CONCERNS AS WELL IF THEY WANT TO COMMUTE ELSEWHERE. BACK TO JACKSONVILLE, WE ALREADY HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT. WE ALREADY HAVE THAT ISSUE NOW WITH THE COMPUTATION OF A LOT OF OUR RESIDENTS TO JACKSONVILLE NOW DO TO THE JOB CENTERS BEING OUT OF OUR AREA. WE NEED THE HOUSES IN THIS PRICE RANGE. THIS WILL OFFER THAT 400,000 $600,000 HOME PRICE. ANOTHER POINT THAT HE BROUGHT UP IN THE REPORT TO YOU GUYS WAS ON INFRASTRUCTURE.

MANY DIFFERENT TRANSPORTATION OPTIONS AND DEVELOPING CONNECTIVITY WITH OUR SIDEWALKS. DEVELOPING THE PARCEL HERE, WE WILL PUT IN SOME SIDEWALKS. BUT THERE IS AN ISSUE HERE. THERE WILL BE A GAP IN SIDEWALKS. RIGHT NOW, WE ARE PROBABLY HALF A MILE FROM THE SCHOOL. IT IS UNFORTUNATE AND FRUSTRATING FOR US. I SPOKE WITH EACH OF YOU ABOUT THIS OTHERWISE. BUT IT IS VERY UNFORTUNATE THAT OUT OF THE BACK GATE OF THE SCHOOL, THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, IS ON OUR PROPERTY. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THREE FEET. THERE IS NO REASON WHY, I THINK, IT MAKES SENSE, ANYTHING QUITE FRIENDLY WHEN THE COMMUNITY, IF IT IS DEVELOPED AND YOU GUYS SUPPORT THIS, WHY CAN'T THE COMMUNITY PUT PRESSURE TO HAVE THE SCHOOL AGREED TO HAVE SOMEONE MAN A GAIT? THEY ARE NOTHING THEY CAN'T, THEY ARE JUST THING THEY DO NOT HAVE THE RESOURCES ALLOCATED HERE DINO COMMISSIONER CONDON, YOU SERVED THE BOARD FOR MANY YEARS, I FIND IT HARD TO BELIEVE THE SCHOOL CANNOT HAVE A MANNED PERSON AT THE GATE TO SERVICE THE COMMUNITY THERE THAT HAS BEEN PROPOSED OR DEVELOPED ALREADY TO HAVE SOMEONE THERE DURING THE PEAK TIMES OF THE DAY WHEN STUDENTS ARE GETTING IN AND OUT OF SCHOOL TO ALLOW YOU THE EXCESS VERSUS HAVING TO TRAVERSE OUR BUSY ROADS. THIS NEIGHBORHOOD IS A HALF A MILE APPROXIMATELY BY WALKING DOWN OLD JENNINGS TO TINES. THERE WILL BE A GAP IN THE SIDEWALKS.

THERE IS ABOUT HIS ECCENTRIC APP. IF THIS WERE TO BE APPROVED, WE PUT IN THE SIDEWALKS, AN AREA OF ABOUT 600 FEET. WHO WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT?

>> A PROPOSED THIS EVENING, OUR DEVELOPER HERE WITH US TONIGHT.

WE PROPOSED THAT WE WOULD TAKE ON THAT EXPENSE. WE PUT IN THE CALL FOR THAT SIDEWALK IN ORDER TO TAKE CARE OF THAT SIDEWALK.

WE DO HAVE SAFE STREETS TO WALK ON AND BUILD A TRAVERSE TO SCHOOL EVERYDAY AND THAT HALF-MILE. IT IS MY HOPE THAT WITH ENOUGH PRESSURE, WE CAN HAVE OUR SCHOOL DISTRICT TO LISTEN AND ALLOCATE SOMEBODY TO AT LEAST, ON A ROTATIONAL BASIS OR WHATNOT, TO MAN A GAIT, WHICH MAKES MORE SENSE OTHERWISE. BUT NONETHELESS, WE ARE WILLING TO PUT IN THAT SIDEWALK THUS ACHIEVING A GOAL UNDER THE COUNTY MANAGER THAT HAS STATED ABOUT 20 MILES OF SIDEWALK BEING PUT IN. THIS WOULD END UP EQUATING TO A TOTAL OF 1700 FEET OF NEW SIDEWALK IN THE AREA AND ALLOWS 53 HOMES OF HILLSIDE, 76 HOMES IN HIGHLAND PARK IN OUR 31, THERE ARE 34 HOMES ROUGHLY, TO WALK A BIKE, ROLLERBLADE, ET CETERA TO SCHOOL. THIS IS SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT HERE. ALSO, AND LOOKING AT % COMMISSIONER CONDON HERE, AND BEING ON THE SCHOOL BOARD, I DO NOT KNOW IF THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY HAVING A SAFE PULL OFF FOR A BUST UP THERE AT THE BLACK POND BAPTIST CHURCH THERE, I DO NOT KNOW IF THAT IS SOMETHING TO BE DONE, HAVING A BUS STOP THERE OTHERWISE. ONE OF THE THINGS WE HAD A DISCUSSION WITH AS WELL, BEHIND THE PROPERTY, ABOUT 20 ACRES OF LAND THAT IS IN THE REAR THAT IS LANDLOCKED. IT HAS NO DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS. WE ARE IN DISCUSSION WITH THE OWNER OF THAT PROPERTY TO SEE ABOUT ACQUIRING IT FOR A PARK FOR THE AREA CONSIDERING THERE IS NO ADEQUATE PARKS IN THE AREA.

SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO DO FOR A FUTURE COUNTY PARK, SO WE ARE HAVING THOSE DISCUSSIONS AS WE SPEAK, THIS WILL HELP BALANCE THE QUALITY OF LIFE IN THE AREA , TO BUILD AND ENHANCE OPPORTUNITIES FOR RECREATIONAL OPPORTUNITIES. IT IS SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT. ANOTHER POINT THAT WAS TOUCHED ON IN THIS REPORT, TO ENHANCE EXERCISE, ACCESS TO NATURE, AND SO FORTH.

IN PROMOTE AND PROVIDE ACCESS TO CONSERVATION LANDS. IT IS SOMETHING YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN HAMMERING HOME RECENTLY, EVEN THIS EVENING, ABOUT PRESERVING SOME CONSERVATION LAND. THAT IS SOMETHING WE HAVE BEEN WORKING ON SINCE WE LAST SPOKE TO YOU AS WELL, SOMETHING THAT MATTERS TO US. LOOKING HERE AS WELL, A COUPLE OTHER POINTS I WANT TO HIT AT HOME WITH YOU. AT THIS POINT, ACTUALLY THEN, ANOTHER THING TOO TO POINT OUT, THESE ARE A FEW SIMPLE HOMES IS AS WELL, THESE ARE NOT HOMES BEING PUT NEXT-DOOR. BUT I WANT TO BE ABLE TO SAVE THE REST OF MY TIME, IF I MAY, TO TOUCH ON THE TRAFFIC POINTS AS WELL. WE HAVE

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SOME OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS HERE, THE PADGETT FAMILY IS HERE WITH US THIS EVENING. I DO WANT TO POINT OUT, I DO NOT WANT TO SPEAK AND STEAL THEIR THUNDER BY ANY MEANS, BUT THEY HAVE BEEN PRESENT IN THIS COMMUNITY FOR OVER 100 YEARS.

THINK ABOUT 100 YEARS. GENERATIONS OF INDIVIDUALS THAT HAVE LIVED HERE IN JENNINGS. YOU KNOW, WHEN CONSIDERING YOUR VOTE TONIGHT, WE DO ASK YOU TO CONSIDER THE HUMAN ELEMENT OF THIS. TO BE OPEN TO HELPING THIS FAMILY, THEY HAVE GIVEN SO MUCH TO THIS AREA. THEY HAVE BEEN AN INTEGRAL THREAD OF THIS COMMUNITY FABRIC. THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO SELL THEIR PROPERTY, TO SEE IT, THIS HAS BEEN THEIR RETIREMENT, THEIR FAMILY INHERITANCE, TO SEE IT BECOME SOMETHING MORE THAN VACANT LAND UP FOR SALE FOR PROBABLY MORE THAN EIGHT YEARS, AND THEY CAN TOUCH ON THAT. THE TOMBSTONES THERE AT LIKE POND ARE READER, MECHANIC, WELDER, SCHOOLTEACHER, THIS IS THEIR LAND, THEY DESERVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO MOVE FORWARD AND SELL IT. CAN YOU IMAGINE THE FRUSTRATION THEY MUST HAVE THOUGH? OR IF THEY ARE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH RENTALS AND YET THEY GET DENIED TO HAVE THEIR RIGHT TO DEVELOP, WE HAVE NOT SEEN ANYONE COME OUT HERE AT ALL TO SPEAK AGAINST THIS PROJECT. I HAVE SAT THROUGH THIS EVENING WITH MY DAUGHTERS BEING PATIENT AS WELL BUT WE HAD A HUGE CONTINGENCY THIS EVENING TO SPEAK AGAINST A PROJECT IN YOUR DISTRICT, COMMISSIONER. WE HAVE HAD NO ONE FROM THE COMMUNITY COME OUT AND SPEAK OUT AGAINST THIS PROJECT. WE SUBMITTED TO YOU SUBSTANTIAL COMPETENT EVIDENCE THIS EVENING THROUGH THE TRAFFIC ENGINEERING REPORTS AND EVERYTHING YOU HAVE ASKED.

SOMETHING THAT WE ASK YOU TO UNDER YOUR SERVICES, TO REVIEW AND TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION WHEN CASTING YOUR VOTE THIS EVENING. WE WILL CONTINUE TO APPLY FOR PRODUCTS IN THIS COUNTY, BIRD-DOG IS VERY VESTED. I HAVE SPOKEN TO YOU, A COUPLE OF YOU ABOUT IT ALREADY. HAVE AN APPLICATION COMING UP FOR IT. THESE ARE GREAT PROJECTS THAT MAKE SENSE. THESE ARE NOT PROJECTS THAT ARE TRYING TO PUT A SQUARE PEG IN A ROUND HOLE, WHICH I KNOW SOME OF YOU ON THIS COMMISSION HAVE DEALT WITH IN THE PAST. I HAVE BEEN IN CONVERSATION WITH YOU.

CLAY COUNTY SHOULD BE OPEN FOR BUSINESS . IT WAS NOT LONG AGO PREVIOUS COMMISSIONS WERE GIVING AWAY IMPACT FEES. ROSEN SCHOOLS TO THE NORTH, JUST TO THE NORTH TO HAVE SOME ACTIVITY TO MAKE CLAY GROW AND BE SUCCESSFUL. TO DO RIGHT SIZED PROJECTS. UNDER THE LEADERSHIP, I AM CONFIDENT THAT WE ARE DOING THIS NOW AND IT IS FOR THE FIRST TIME IN A LONG TIME.

THIS IS ONE OF THOSE PROJECTS THAT I DO TRULY BELIEVE IS RIGHT SIZED. THANK YOU. I WILL YIELD THE REST OF MY TIME AS STATED. I APPRECIATE ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.

>> THANK YOU, JOSH. MY NAME IS WILLIAM SCHAEFER, PRESIDENT OF DOMINION ENGINEERING GROUP. I HAVE BEEN DOING ENGINEERING IN CLAY COUNTY FOR 40 YEARS NOW. I LIVE IN CLAY COUNTY AT 1935 SILO PLACE IN MIDDLEBURG, FLORIDA. 32068. I HAVE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO WORK WITH A NUMBER OF TRAFFIC ENGINEERS IN MY TIME. I USED TO DO TRAFFIC REPORTS AND THE GENTLEMAN WHO WORKED ON THIS IS MR. BUCKLES. HE IS VERY WELL KNOWN AS A TRAFFIC ENGINEER. HE IS VERY COMPETENT. HE CALCULATES GROWTH IN TRAFFIC AROUND IN THE AREA, HE DOES NOT JUST LOOK AT A SNAPSHOT TIME, HE LOOKS AT A SNAPSHOT INTO THE FUTURE AS WELL. SO THIS WOULD BE CONSIDERED FUTURE GROWTH IN THIS AREA. THE LEVEL OF SERVICE OF THE ROAD RIGHT OUT HERE IN FRONT OF THE PROPERTY IS AT LEVEL OF SERVICE B PURITY GOES AWAY FROM A TO F. F IS A FAILING ROADWAY TRAFFIC LINK.

IT IS ABOUT 30% CAPACITY. THIS ROAD HAS A LOT OF CAPACITY ON IT. I KNOW WE HAVE TO SLOW DOWN AND THERE IS TRAFFIC MOVEMENT THERE, AS FAR AS SIGNALS GO IN AND INTERSECTIONS, THAT IS A GOOD INTERSECTION. THE SUMMARY OF THE TRAFFIC REPORT SAID THE PROJECT DRIVE RIGHT AT THE ENTRANCE SAID THERE WAS NO WARRANTED LEFT TURN AND, THE TRAFFIC DID NOT WARRANT IT. IT IS NOT REQUIRED. AND THAT THERE IS THE RIGHT TURN IN ON THE WESTBOUND TRAFFIC HEADING FROM TINES TO THE FOREST AND DID NOT WARRANT IT. THE DEVELOPER STAFF DID HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO MEET

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WITH MR. RICHARD SMITH AND DISCUSSED THE TRAFFIC REPORTS.

IN THE DISCUSSION, WE TRIED TO FIGURE OUT, WHAT CAN WE DO TO ADD SAFETY EVEN THOSE, EVEN THOUGH THOSE THINGS WERE NOT ADDED AND IT DID NOT WARRANT IT. ONE OF THOSE THINGS WAS TO HAVE THE RIGHT TURN WEDGE IN THAT WOULD PROVIDE A WAY FOR TRAFFIC MOVING WEST TO SAFELY GET OUT OF THE ROAD AND REDUCE SPEED SO THEY COULD PULL INTO THE COMMUNITY. THAT PROVIDED A SAFE RIGHT TURN INTO THE COMMUNITY. ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT MR. SMITH SAID IS THAT WE COULD MOVE THE SPEED LIMIT SIGN, WHICH IS 35 MILES AN HOUR IN FRONT OF IT, WE COULD MOVE THAT SPEED LIMIT SIGN A LITTLE BIT WEST OF OUR ENTRANCE SO THAT THE SPEED IN FRONT OF THE ENTRANCE WOULD BE 25 MILES AN HOUR, WHICH IS LESS THAN MOST OF THE SPEEDS AND MOST OF THE COMMUNITIES THAT IS POSTED CURRENTLY. BECAUSE IN A COMMUNITY, IF THERE IS NO SPEED LIMIT SIGNS, THE STATE SPEED LIMIT INSIDE OF A RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY IS 30 MILES AN HOUR.

SO WE THINK THAT THIS IS A VERY SAFE ROAD. WE THINK THIS ROAD HAS THE CAPACITY, AND IF WE ARE GOING TO HAVE ANY GROWTH IN THE COUNTY, LET'S APPROVE GROWTH ON THOSE ROADS THAT HAVE CAPACITY, NOT THE ONES THAT DO NOT HAVE CAPACITY. AND SO THEY ARE ALSO PROVIDING THE CROSS CONNECTION TO THE PARCEL TO THE WEST, WHEN THAT WAS DEVELOPED, THEY WILL PRODUCE ONE MORE ROADWAY CONNECTION TO THE ROAD. AND I AM HERE TO HANDLE ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE REGARDING TRAFFIC OR ENGINEERING FOR THE PROJECT. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR

TIME. >> THANK YOU. DOES ANYONE HAVE

A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT? >> I DO.

>> YOU DO? >> YOU SAID SOMETHING ABOUT A BUS DROPPING OFF AT THE CHURCH, BUT I THOUGHT THERE WERE NO BUSES BECAUSE IT IS WITHIN TWO MILES? DID YOU FIND OUT

DIFFERENT? >> IT IS PROBABLY FOR A HIGH SCHOOL OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. SO I TALKED TO ONE OF THE SCHOOL BOARD MEMBERS. THE STATE LAW REQUIRES TWO MILES TO HAVE A BUS. OUR SCHOOL DOES OFFER BUSES. SOMEWHERE BETWEEN ONE MILE AND ONE HALF MILES DEPENDING. SOME I SPOKE WITH SAID IN THE CLAY HILL AREA, THEY USUALLY ACCOMMODATE MORE SO TO 1 MILE OR ONE HALF MILE. THIS BEING HALF A MILE IN AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL RIGHT THERE, THEY WOULD HAVE TO WALK.

UNLESS, AGAIN, I ADVOCATE FOR A MANNED DATE IN THE LAST PART.

AGAIN, THE EMAIL FROM LANCE ADDISON, HE WAS ON VACATION THIS WEEK. MY PREVIOUS EMAIL FROM SEVERAL MONTHS AGO, I WOULD ADVOCATE, YOU KNOW, FOLLOWING UP AGAIN. WHY CAN'T THEY SPARE A PERSONNEL DURING CERTAIN TIMES OF DAY TO ALLOW FOR KIDS TO BE ABLE TO COME IN THERE DURING DROP OFF OR PICK UP TIMES? I JUST DO NOT UNDERSTAND THAT MYSELF.

>> HAVE THEY DONE AWAY WITH THAT ON ALL SCHOOLS? OR JUST CERTAIN SCHOOLS? BECAUSE I KNOW FIRESIDE HAD THE BACK GATE. BUT I DO NOT KNOW IF THEY DID AWAY WITH IT. BECAUSE THEY SAID THEY

DO NOT HAVE ENOUGH -- >> I THINK A LOT HAS CHANGED WITH MARJORY STONEMAN DOUGLAS AND THE REQUIREMENT FOR SAFE

SCHOOLS. >> IT IS ALSO UP TO THE PRINCIPAL. THE PRINCIPAL WANTS TO MAKE PERSONNEL AVAILABLE, I KNOW THERE ARE SEVERAL SCHOOLS THAT ALLOW KIDS TO GO OUT DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS RATHER THAN JUST ALL IN ONE. BUT IT IS EITHER ALWAYS LOCK, OR THERE IS A STAFF MEMBER THERE. SO I THINK IT REALLY IS THE PRINCIPAL. I THINK THE GOAL IS TO HAVE PEOPLE GO IN AND OUT OF ONE EXIT. I THINK SOME OF THOSE -- THEY HAVE DONE IT IN THE PAST. EVEN IF THEY DO NOT, SO THIS HALF-MILE, YOU ARE TRYING TO TAKE SOME OF THE SAFETY ISSUE OFF THE TABLE BY MAKING THE SIDEWALK HOLE SO THAT FROM YOUR ENTRANCE TO THE SCHOOL'S ENTRANCE, THERE IS A SAFE SIDEWALK FOR KIDS TO WALK ON. THE OTHER THING I THINK THAT IF YOU MAKE A BUS STOP THERE, THAT WOULD BE MORE FOR THE JUNIOR HIGH OR HIGH SCHOOL KIDS THAT MIGHT LIVE IN THAT AREA RATHER THAN GOING TO THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.

>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? THANK YOU, JOSH. I WILL OPEN A PUBLIC HEARING, I HAVE SEVERAL CARDS HERE.

WILLIAM SCHAEFER? OKAY, THAT IS YOU. LANYARD -- LEONARD CORTES?

>> I LIVE AT 1941 COURT IN MIDDLEBROOK. THE HUSBAND TO SHIRLEY PADGETT PORCH. SINCE HER PARENTS HAS PASSED AWAY, WE

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HAVE BEEN TRYING TO SELL THIS PROPERTY, JUST A GOOD OPPORTUNITY, WE FEEL, RIGHT NOW. IT SEEMS TO ME THIS IS THE FIRST I HAVE HEARD FOR WHAT THEY ARE PLANNING, AND IT SEEMS LIKE A GOOD PLAN. CLOSE TO SCHOOLS, CLOSE TO THE HOSPITAL, CLOSE TO 23. WHEN GRANITE FIELD GOT OPENED UP FROM CLAY COUNTY TO JACKSONVILLE, YOU KNOW, WE KNEW THAT THE PROPERTY VALUES IN THAT AREA WAS GOING TO GROW. AND THAT IS JUST, YOU KNOW, BUT WE ARE NOT MAKING A KILLING OFF OF THAT. BUT IT WILL HELP US, OUR FAMILY, OUR RETIREMENT. WE ARE GETTING UP IN AGE TOO. THE TWO BOYS STAYING THERE, THEY ARE NOT GOING NOWHERE, THEY WILL STILL BE SPENDING THEIR MONEY HERE. WE HAVE BEEN HERE 25 YEARS. 26 YEARS. YEAH, LIKE I SAID, THAT IS A GOOD PLAN.

JUST WHAT I HEARD TODAY. WE SURELY APPRECIATE IF YOU WOULD

APPROVE THAT FOR US. >> THINK YOU VERY MUCH. AND SURELY? THAT I WAS GOING TO SAY, THEY HAVE ALREADY SAID. I LIVED IN THIS COUNTY FOR 7 YEARS. WE HAVE BEEN IN THIS COUNTY FOR 5, SIX, SEVEN GENERATIONS. WE DO HAVE THE RIGHT TO SELL OUR PROPERTY IF WE WANT TO. ONE OF MY BROTHERS IS BECOMING DISABLED WHERE HE CANNOT TAKE CARE OF THAT PROPERTY. SO, WE ARE READY TO SELL. WE NEED TO SELL THIS. THEY ARE GOING TO MOVE TO ANOTHER PORTION OF THIS PROPERTY. WE HAVE FIVE CHILDREN AND 14 GRANDCHILDREN WHO ARE GOING TO STAY IN THIS COUNTY.

SO, I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE TO SAY EXCEPT, WE HAVE BEEN TRYING TO DO THIS FOR YEARS AND WE WOULD LOVE TO DO THIS. THE MEMORIES THAT WE HAVE HAD ON THAT PROPERTY GROWING UP, IT BREAKS MY HEART BECAUSE OUR PARENTS ARE NOT THERE ANYMORE.

SO, WE WANT TO MOVE ON FROM THAT. THEY WANT TO MOVE ON AND MOVE AWAY, BUT THEY CANNOT, UNTIL THIS PROPERTY IS SOLD.

THEY DON'T HAVE THE MONEY. I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE TO SAY.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.

>> SANDRA KALE? >> I AM A LITTLE SHORT. AS SHE SAID, MOST OF IT HAS BEEN ADDRESSED. I'M NOT GOING TO REPEAT IT. HOWEVER, I THINK THE IMPORTANT THING TO KNOW IS THAT NONE OF US WANT GROWTH IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD OR NEXT TO US OR WHATEVER. BUT, CLAY COUNTY IS GOING TO GROW. THE BYPASS STATE ROAD 23 WAS PUT INTO -- FOR THAT PURPOSE. TO HELP CLAY COUNTY GROW. THE NORTHERN PART OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY. YOU BYPASS TRAFFIC OUT OF JACKSONVILLE. I THINK WE NEED TO REALIZE THAT THE CHANGE IS GOING TO COME. WE HAVE TO HAVE IT. SHE HAS GOT MORE GRANDCHILDREN THAN I DO, BUT I'VE STILL GOT A LOT OF THEM. A LOT OF THEM ARE LIVING IN CLAY COUNTY. HOPEFULLY MORE WILL BE ABLE TO STAY HERE. WE NEED THE HOUSE THING. IT IS HARD TO ME TO SAY, BUT 350 TO 400,000 IS AFFORDABLE, BUT THAT IS THE PRICE OF HOMES NOW. I HAVE ONE GRANDSON AND HIS WIFE WHO BROUGHT ONE IN MIDDLEBURG. THAT IS ABOUT WHAT THEY PAID FOR A STARTER HOUSE. SO, WE NEED THE HOUSING. THIS IS AN EXCELLENT LOCATION, AS THEY SAID, NEXT TO THE SCHOOLS, NEXT TO THE BYPASS. I JUST THINK THAT IT IS THE KIND OF GROWTH THAT WORKS. IT IS NOT IN SOME OF THESE PLACES WHERE IT IS WAY OUT AND AWAY FROM THINGS. WITH THE HOSPITAL IN THE RETAIL IN

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THE AREA, I THINK IT IS THE RIGHT PLACE FOR US TO HAVE THE GROWTH. IT IS ONLY EIGHT ACRES, IT IS ONLY 30 HOUSES. THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE A SUBDIVISION NEXT DOOR TO THEM. THAT IS ALREADY ZONED WITH THE SAME ZONING, MPC. SO, IT IS A CONTINUATION FOR 8 ACRES. WHAT HAPPENS AFTER THAT, WE WILL

JUST HAVE TO SEE. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.

>> I LIVE AT 6137 KINSLEY LAKE DRIVE. I DON'T LIKE GROWTH AND I AM NOT WORRIED ABOUT IT OUT THERE.

>> ANYONE ELSE WANT TO SPEAK ON THE SUBJECT? YES SIR. HER NAME

AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. >> GOOD EVENING. BRIAN SMALL, I HAVE A SPEAKER CARD AND ADDRESS ON FILE. I WILL TURN THAT IN.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY COMMISSIONERS WE HAVE SPOKEN WITH. I AM NOT SURE IF WE CAN MEMORIALIZE IT IN THIS DOCUMENT, BUT I WOULD BE REMISS IF I DID NOT COME UP HERE AND SPEAK TO EVERYTHING WE ARE DOING, TO GIVE YOU MY WORD, AND NOT JUST MY WORD, BUT WHAT I HAVE DONE IN THE PAST WITH THE DIFFERENT ENTITIES. SO, TO THE NORTH, WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BRING IN PUBLIC ROAD, WATER, SEWER FOR THAT 20 ACRES BUT I AM TALKING TO LEVI RITTER RIGHT NOW TO HELP WITH THE AMENDMENT THAT, THE MOTION YOU JUST APPROVED. I SAW ALLISON LOOK FOR DOWNSTAIRS WITH THE FLORIDA LAND TRUST. I HAVE DONE 200 AND THE ACRES WITH THE FLORIDA LAND TRUST AND UNDERSTAND HOW TO WORK TOGETHER WITH THAT PUBLIC AND PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP. TO THE EAST, WE KNOW THERE IS ANOTHER NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WILL BE COMPLEMENTARY. I HAVE SPOKEN WITH THE BLACK POND CHURCH, AND THEY STAY NEUTRAL ON EVERYTHING, BUT THEY WHILE COMPUTER PERSONALS. -- WHILE COMPUTER PARISHIONERS. THIS IS TO THE EAST. THE SIDEWALK, WE WILL EXTEND THAT ALL THE WAY DOWN TO TIMES. IT WILL PICK UP NORTH FOR THE SCHOOLKIDS TO KEEP THEM SAFE. WE WILL FIGHT DURING THIS PROCESS, DURING CONSTRUCTION AND EVEN WHEN THE MOMS AND DADS LIVE WITH THEIR KIDS AND COME BACK TO THE TABLE AND SAY THIS MAKES SENSE. WE KNOW THERE ARE RULES THAT ARE BLACK AND WHITE. BUT IF WE CAN GET THE PRINCIPAL ON BOARD, WE ARE HAPPY TO ATTEND THOSE MEETINGS. TO THE WEST, WE HAVE BEEN UNSUCCESSFUL SPEAKING WITH THEM DIRECTLY. IF YOU TURN IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, WE HAVE AN LOADED ROADS AND WE ARE GOING TO DO A STEP OUT WHICH ALLOWS IMMEDIATE CONNECTION FOR WHATEVER THEY DECIDE TO DO WITH THAT PROPERTY IN THE FUTURE.

SO, I WANT TO PUT ALL OF THAT ON THE RECORD. THERE IS A WAY TO MEMORIALIZE IT AND MAKE IT OFFICIAL FOR THIS PART OF THIS PLAN. THANK YOU FOR THE LONG MEETING .

>> IF YOU CAN LEAVE A CARD WITH TERESA, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.

ANYONE ELSE WISH TO SPEAK ON THE SUBJECT? SEEING NONE, WE WILL GO TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD AND THE BACK TO

COMMISSIONERS. >> I GUESTS I CAN START . THIS PROJECT IS IN MY DISTRICT SHORT AND SWEET, I REITERATE MY POSITION FROM LAST MONTH ON THIS PROJECT. I HEARD THE CONTENTIONS THAT WERE MADE MY POSITION WAS TO MOVE FORWARD WITH IT. I DO APPRECIATE THE PADGETT FAMILY COMING OUT TONIGHT BEFORE I WAS LOOKING IN FRONT OF ME IN BLACK AND WHITE.

WHAT WAS BEFORE ME TO CONSIDER WAS WHAT I LOOKED AT. BEING A PLANET YOUR FAMILY HAS HAD FOR A WHILE. IF IT WERE ONLY UP TO ME, I WOULD NOT BE STANDING IN YOUR WAY. I THINK IT IS THE RIGHT SIZE FOR THIS AREA, IN MY OPINION. I KNOW THAT THERE HAVE BEEN SOME CONCERNS, EVEN RAISED EARLIER TONIGHT ABOUT GROWTH THAT IS UNCHECKED AND IS NOT CONSIDERED , IN LIGHT OF SURROUNDING CIRCUMSTANCES. I JUST DON'T BELIEVE THAT THIS PROJECT CAN FIX THE WAY THAT OTHER PROJECTS DO. THAT IS WHY YOU SUPPORT ME ON THIS PROJECT.

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>> IS THAT EMOTION? >> THAT IS A MOTION.

>> MR. CHAIR? >> YOU ARE STARING AT ME, YEAH.

I COULD NOT TELL WHAT YOU ARE THINKING. FIRST OF ALL, I WILL MAKE THE SECOND ARE NOT -- ON THAT TO COMMISSIONER ALEXANDRA COMPERE'S MOTION. I VOTED NO AGAINST THIS THE LAST TIME, IN THE MEETINGS WITH BIRD-DOG AND MR. COCKRELL. IT IS PRETTY EVIDENT THAT THEY HAVE MOVED AS MUCH TO MAKE IT PALATABLE TO PASS THIS AND GIVE THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO BUILD THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. THE OVERSIZED ENTRANCE, THEY MADE ALLOWANCES TO IT, TO THE ENTRANCE TO ELIMINATE DRIVEWAY CUT, WHICH IS ONE OF MY MAJOR COMPLAINTS THAT WE SEE SOME OF THOSE.

MAYBE THAT WILL HELP TO GET ADDITIONAL SALES OF PROPERTIES.

MAYBE THEY WILL CONTINUE TO DO THAT AND END UP WITH A SERVICE ROAD OR SOMETHING THAT WILL PREVENT PEOPLE FROM HAVING TO GO OUT TO OLD JENNINGS. IT IS A GOOD AREA FOR HOUSING. I KNOW THAT THE BAPTIST IN CLOONEY ISLAND HAS TAKEN NUMEROUS HOUSES OFF THE MARKET WITH DOCTORS AND NURSES THAT HAVE MOVED IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THAT IS THE OLD ASCENSION. YOU KNOW, I THINK WITH THEM OFFERING TO BUILD ADDITIONAL SIDEWALKS, THEY SAY WE CAN ADD THAT TO THE MOBILITY STUDY AT SOME POINT SO THAT OLD JENNINGS WILL BE COVERED IN THAT REGARD. WE CAN MOVE THAT TO THE 35 MILE AN HOUR SIGN. SO, IN LIGHT OF THAT AND IN LIGHT OF THE PADGETT'S AND OTHER THOUGHTS ON IT, IT IS A GOOD PROJECT. PLANNING COMMISSION DID NOT HAVE ONE PERSON COMING TO OBJECT. SO IT IS LIKE WE GOT A SWEET SPOT FOR THAT. SEEING THE HOMES THAT THEY WANT TO BUILD, THEY ARE VERY NICE ELEVATIONS. SO, IT IS NOT OFTEN THAT I CHANGE MY MIND. BUT I THINK IN THIS CASE, SEEING WHAT THEY HAVE DONE AND TRY TO DO, I THINK THEIR HEART IS IN THE RIGHT PLACE AND THEY ARE HELPING US TO IDENTIFY THE PROPERTY AT THE BACK OF THEIR PROPERTY FOR MAYBE A PARK OR CONSERVATION LAND AND HELPING US. I WILL BE VOTING IN THE AFFIRMATIVE.

>> WE HAVE A MOTION IN A SECOND. ANY OTHER COMMENTS, QUESTIONS, CONCERNS? SEEING NINE, HEARING NONE, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? ANY OF THOSE? IT PASSES 3-2. THANK YOU VERY

[36. Final Public Hearing to consider ZON 24-0006. (BF CC Carwash) (T. McCoy)]

MUCH. WE ARE ON TO ITEM NUMBER 36. THE FINAL PUBLIC HEARING.

0006. BRANDON FEEL CAR WASH.

>> GETTING -- GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS AND SHEAR. WE ARE HERE THIS EVENING TO APPLY FOR AN APPLICATION LIMIT ON 24 0006. THE APPLICANT IS ELROND MANAGEMENT LLC. BRIGHT WORKS REALTY REAL ESTATE. THE AGENT IS MARK SHELTON. THIS IS A ZONING TEXT AMENDMENT TO ARTICLE THREE TO ADD CAR WASH IN CONJUNCTION WITH A CONVENIENCE STORE THAT INCLUDES GAS STATION PUMPS AS A CONDITIONAL USE IN THE BRANDON FIELD COMMUNITY CENTER DISTRICT. THIS WAS ORIGINALLY HEARD BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION ON JULY 2ND AND THEY VOTED TO RECOMMEND. THE FIRST HEARING FOR THIS COMMISSION WAS ON JULY 9TH. AS USUAL, WE NOTIFIED THE PUBLIC THE AT THE NEWSPAPER FOR THIS PARTICULAR ARTICLE. IT THE BACKGROUND ON THIS APPLICATION IS THAT THE APPLICANT IS APPLYING TO AMEND ARTICLE THREE, SECTIONS 3-5P AND 3-33A. 33-B 9 OF THE

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LINDEMANN REGULATIONS TO INCLUDE CAR WASH IN CONJUNCTION WITH A CONVENIENCE STORE THAT INCLUDES GAS PUMPS AS A CONDITIONAL USE. AS STAFF REVIEWED THE APPLICATION, WE FOUND THAT THERE WERE SOME LIMITED OPPORTUNITIES FOR OUR WASHES THROUGHOUT THE BRANDON FIELD MASTER PLAN AREA. WE BELIEVE THAT THE COMMUNITY CENTER AREA WAS A GOOD OPPORTUNITY FOR CAR WASH USE AS A CONDITIONAL USE. SO, WE MODELED THIS ORDINANCE CHANGE THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER ORDINANCE THAT IS ALREADY IN THE BRANDON FIELD AREA. WE LOOK VERY CLOSELY AT THE REQUIREMENTS IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER AND MOSTLY THERE THEY HAVE CONVENIENCE STORE USES. SO AGAIN, WE MODELED THESE PARTICULAR CHANGES TO MEET THOSE, AS WELL. THIS IS NEW TO THE BRANDON FIELD AREA. IN THAT PROCESS, WE LOOK AT SOME USE AND DESIGN STANDARDS. WE PUT LIMITATIONS ON HOURS OF OPERATION. 7:30 A.M. TO 9:00 P.M. LIMITATIONS ON LOCATION, NOT DRECK THE ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL ZONING AS WELL AS LIMITATIONS ON SIGNAGE, MEANING THEY CANNOT HAVE FLASHING LIGHTS WEREN'T LARGE SIGN TO ATTRACT CUSTOMERS. THE SCREENING BARRIERS WERE CONSISTENT WITH THE LANDSCAPE REQUIREMENTS AND ALSO, WE GAVE SOME FLEXIBILITY ON PUA AREAS TO ALLOW SOME COVERAGE TO KEEP THE CUSTOMERS OUT OF THE ELEMENTS. WE ALSO LOOKED AT THE DESIGN OF THE BUILDING AND WE THOUGHT THAT THE 10,000 SQUARE-FOOT BUILDING WOULD BE MORE CONSISTENT WITH WHAT IS CURRENTLY OUT IN THE BRANDON FIELD AND IN THESE TYPE OF AREAS, WE ALSO LOOKED AT THE SIZE OF THE GAS STATION AND WE THOUGHT THAT LIMITING IT TO EIGHT PUMPS AND TWO GAS PUMP ISLANDS WOULD BE CONSISTENT. ALSO, THE BUILDING ORIENTATION HAS TO BE TO STREET FRONT. LOOKING AT THE STAFF FINDINGS, WE DECIDED THAT THIS BRANDON FIELD AREA COMMITTEES CLEARLY CENTER AREAS ARE ABOUT 30 TO 50 ACRES IN SIZE AND THEY ARE DESIGNED TO SERVICE ABOUT 25,000 RESIDENTS WITHIN THE BRANDON FIELD AREA. SO, AGAIN, REVIEWING THE FACT THAT WE HAD SOME LIMITATIONS WITH THE ABILITY TO PROPOSE A CAR WASH IN THIS AREA, WE THOUGHT IT WAS IMPORTANT THAT WE PROPOSED THAT CAR WASH USE ONLY IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE CONVENIENCE STORE AND GAS PUMPS. FOR THIS REASON, STAFF DOES RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF 20 4006.

>> I REPRESENT THE APPLICANT. >> YES, SIR. MARK SHELTON, KIMBERLY HORN ASSOCIATES. SUITE 2350 , JACKSONVILLE, FLORIDA, 32258. YES SIR, MR. CHAIRMAN, I REPRESENT THE APPLICANT. WE ARE HERE BEFORE YOU AGAIN. I WANTED TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE TONIGHT. WE KNOW WE SAW SOME DIFFICULT ONES BUT I PROMISE I WILL BE VERY QUICK. I APPRECIATE THE HARD WORK THAT HAS HELPED US OUT CREATING SOME SUPPLEMENTAL REGULATIONS TO THIS USE. THIS HAS BEEN AN EXERCISE WITH WORKING WITH DEVELOPERS TO COMBINE LIKE USES IN THE APPROPRIATE PLACE. IT HAS A POTENTIAL TO COMBINE A CAR WASH WITH EIGHT LIMITED USE TO SHARE VEHICLE TRIPS WITH APPROPRIATE AND SUFFICIENT REGULATIONS BASED ON STAFF INPUT. SHARING INFORMATION LIKE STORMWATER POND, ACCESS, PARKING, SIGNAGE, AND MORE. WE WILL ALSO PROVIDE FOR A NECESSARY EXTENSION OF WATER AND SEWER LINES DOWN TO THIS COMMERCIAL AREA FOR ABOUT A HALF A MILE, AS CALCULATED. WORKING WITH STAFF, WE BELIEVE THIS IS A LOGICAL AND BENEFICIAL SLIGHT REVISION TO AN OVERLAY THAT WAS CREATED IN 2005. IT WOULD NOW ALLOW A BENEFICIAL COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT. AGAIN, THIS IS A POTENTIAL COMMERCIAL REDEVELOPMENT THAT IS COMBINING A CAR WASH WITH A CONVENIENCE STORE THAT SELLS GASOLINE. THE

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WORK STAFF, IT HAS BEEN UPWARDS OF A YEAR NOW. I WILL STOP NOW.

I THINK THAT SETS THE RECORD FOR PRESENTATIONS TONIGHT. I WILL STAND BY WITH ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT. ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? IS THERE SOMETHING IN THE REQUIREMENT THAT WOULD NOT ALLOW THEM TO BUILD A CAR WASH PART -- IS THERE ANYTHING IN THE AMENDMENT, TEXT AMENDMENT OR IN THE BRANDON PHIL CC REQUIREMENT THAT WOULD ALLOW THEM TO ONLY BUILD PART OF IT? SO, TO ONLY BUILD THE CAR WASH PART AND NOT THE CONVENIENCE

STORE AND GAS PUMPS? >> I CAN HAPPILY ANSWER THAT.

IT IS WRITTEN IN SUCH A WAY THAT IT HAS TO BE IN CONJUNCTION. HAS TO BE A CONDITIONAL USE . IT HAS TWO SAFEGUARDS. THEY CANNOT BE A STANDALONE CAR WASH. THAT WAS NOT INTENDED. WITH THOSE SAFEGUARDS, THEY WILL BE SURE THAT IT WILL NOT HAPPEN. HE WILL NOT BE A STANDALONE CAR WASH AS A OUTCOME OF THIS TEXT CHANGE.

>> THANK YOU. >> YES, COMMISSIONER?

>> IT IS A GOOD THING YOU WANT TO SHARE. I'M GOING TO SAY THE CHAIR THREATENED ME. AFTER EIGHT HOURS SITTING HERE, IT IS A LONG DAY AND NIGHT. SO, GIVE ME THE RATIONALE AGAIN, AS A WHY THIS IS NOT AN OPEN INVITATION FOR OTHER CAR WASHES

SECOND OF ALL, THIS CODE ALLOWS CAR WASHES BY RIGHT BUT NOT IN THE NEXT ZONING DISTRICT DOWN. IN THE HIGHER GIRL CODES IS BEHAVIORAL USE AS THEY STEP DOWN. IF THERE IS ANOTHER ONE IN THE AREA, IT IS ROOFTOPS. THAT IS IN CONJUNCTION WITH A CONVENIENCE STORE. IT WILL PREVENT OTHER ONES NEARBY FROM BEING DEVELOPED, AT LEAST THAT IS WHAT I TALKED TO MY DEVELOPER ABOUT, THEY WERE LOOKING AT ANOTHER SITE THAT WOULD BE GOOD TO COMBINE THESE TWO USES TOGETHER BY

CONDITIONAL USE. >> I DON'T TEND TO AGREE WITH YOU THAT IS THE NUMBER OF ROOFTOPS THAT DICTATE HOW MANY CAR WASHES ARE IN AN AREA. I JUST HAVE TO DRIVE IN THAT AREA TO SEE THAT EVERY OTHER DRIVEWAY, YOU GET YOUR CAR WASHED. I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM BUT I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS, THIS IS THE FIRST TIME AROUND WHEN WE CAME IN, RAN SEWER AND WATER FURTHER DOWN THAT IMPOSSIBLY OPEN THAT UP FOR ADDITIONAL COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT. MY ONLY PROBLEM IS, IT IS CAR WASHES. YOU PROBABLY COULD DRAW LESS ATTENTION IF YOU SAID YOU WERE GOING TO PUT A NUCLEAR REACTION -- REACTOR THERE THE ANTI-CAR WASH.

>> STORAGE BUILDING. THANKS. YOU USED TO BE MY FRIEND.

>> THAT IS WHY WE PUT SUPPLEMENTAL REGULATIONS AND I PASSED IT ON TO STAFF AND WE WORKED WITH IT TOGETHER BECAUSE YOU ARE EXACTLY RIGHT. IT HAS A BAD CONNOTATION TO IT. THEY WANT TO LIMIT THAT. WE HAVE ASSURED THE DISTRICT COMMISSIONER THAT WE HAVE IT FACING THE LANDING RATHER THAN RESIDENTIAL. OTHER CAR WASHES IN THAT AREA COULD BE ADJACENT TO CENTRAL, THIS ONE CANNOT. THAT IS WHY IT IS WRITTEN INTO

THE ORDINANCE. >> MY POINT BEING THE CAR WASHES AND OTHER THINGS. YOU KNOW, WE HAVE OFTEN SAID THAT SITTING ON THIS BOARD, WE DO NOT HAVE CONTROL OVER WHAT EVER SOMEONE DOES WITH THEIR PROPERTY LINE IN THAT FASHION AND THAT CERTAINLY WAS. HERE THE CASE IS, WE HAVE ADDED A NUMBER OF CAR WASHES AND THAT IS THE ONLY STIPULATION I HAVE.

I UNDERSTAND THE WHOLE THING. I THINK IT IS A DECENT PROJECT AND I THINK THE HIGHER END PART OF THAT THE WATER AND SEWER WILL BE MOVED DOWN THAT BLOCK WHICH CAN BE OPENED UP FOR

ECONOMIC DEVELOPING. >> AND GOING TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. I DON'T HAVE ANY CARDS OR REQUESTS TO SPEAK. IS THERE ANYONE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK ON THIS? SEEING THEM, I

WILL IS PUBLIC HEARING. >> I WOULD TEND TO AGREE WITH

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COMMISSIONER MIKE CELLA. EVERYTHING THAT YOU SAID . YOU LOOK AT THE BRANDON PHIL MASTER PLAN MAP, THE OVERLAY. THERE IS A LITTLE SECTION THAT COMES DOWN. IT KIND OF SPLIT. IT IS THIS GREEN AND YELLOW. IF YOU OPEN UP THE MAP AND YOU ZOOM IN, THE GREEN AND YELLOW SECTION THAT COMES DOWN. SOUTH OF THIS PARCEL THAT MARK REPRESENTS THE PERSON WHO IS PURCHASING, IS ACTUALLY ALREADY BRANDON PHIL CC. I DO APPLAUD THE APPLICANT AND THE DESIRE TO HEARING THE COMMUNITY THAT THE ORIGINAL LOCATION FOR THIS PRODUCT WAS LESS DESIRABLE. IT IS ON A PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT ORDERS BLACK CREEK. THAT IS ALSO ZONED COMMERCIAL. IT WOULD BE A GREAT PLACE -- THE COMMUNITY HAS SAID THAT WE WOULD LIKE A RESTAURANT. SO, IN THE WATER AND SEWER OUTS, WHEN I TALKED TO A REALTOR WHO WAS REPRESENTING SOME OF THE DEEP WHO WERE INTERESTED IN THE EMERGENCY PARCEL THAT THIS WAS TALKED ABOUT. WHY NOT A RESTAURANT? I HEAR ALL THE TIME THAT THEY DO NOT HAVE ENOUGH RESTAURANTS. THEY SAID THAT THERE IS NOT WATER AND SEWER.

SO, DO I LOVE ANOTHER GAS STATION AND CAR WASH? NO. THAT IS BETTER THAN A STANDALONE CAR WASH, DEFINITELY. I SHARE SOME OF THE COMMUNITY CONCERNS THAT THESE STANDALONE CAR WASHES ARE GOING TO GO OUT OF BUSINESS AND SIT AND EAT. IF A CONVENIENCE STORE AND GAS PUMPS, ALMOST DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM THIS HAS BEEN IN BUSINESS ALMOST 30 YEARS AND IT HAS A STANDALONE CAR WASH. IT IS JUST NOT GREAT OF THE MASTER PLAN COMMITTEE. I THINK THAT WE AS A COMMISSION COULD BE OPEN FOR -- I DON'T THINK MARK CLIENT IS GOING TO SUE US BUT WE COULD BE OPEN FOR A LAWSUIT FOR THE QUARTER WERE BEING COMMERCIAL.

THE FACT THAT THEY HAVE THIS CUT OUT FOR SOME ODD REASON ON THE OVERLAY. AS YOU KNOW, A FEW MONTHS AGO, WE HAVE THE LAST PROPERTY THAT WAS NOT ZONED COMMERCIAL IN THE PROPERTY OWNER HAPPENED TO OWN IT AND IT WAS ZONED RESIDENTIAL. THEY WOULD BUILD A ROTARY THEIR OWN BLENDING. I STRUGGLE WITH SUPPORTING THIS, BUT THE POSITIVES THAT COME FROM IT WITH THE WATER AND SEWER AND PREVENTING THEM FROM MOVING TO A FURTHER SOUTH LOCATION WHERE THEY COULD HAVE JUST PUT THE INDIVIDUAL STANDALONE CAR WASH ARE NOT APPEALING TO ME EITHER.

SO, THIS ONE IS HARD FOR ME. REALLY HARD. BUT I THINK THAT THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF WORK DONE. I APPLAUD YOU. I THINK YOU DISPLAY THE KNOWLEDGE OF WHAT TO PULL INTO OUR CODE AND I THINK THAT THIS CAN BE PUT IN OTHER PARTS OF OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE FOR IT THESE ARE GOING TO BE CAR WASHES, THESE ARE THE NOISE STANDARDS TO GIVE CONCERNS ABOUT IT. I KNOW YOU DID THAT BECAUSE OF ADDITIONAL COMPLAINTS. YOU HAVE THOSE ON YOUR DIFFERENT LOCATIONS, BUT I APPRECIATE THE WORK THAT YOU ALL DID. SO, ANYWAY. BEGRUDGINGLY, I WILL

MOVE APPROVAL. >> I SECOND THAT. IF I COULD JUST ADD A HAT TIP STAFF WHO HAD TO GO OUT TO OAK LEAF AND HEAR HOW LOUD IT WAS. I THINK YOU WERE OUT THERE TOO. I MEAN, WE ALL KNOW HOW BRUTAL IT GETS GETTING THOSE PHONE CALLS. THEY DON'T STOP UNTIL THAT HAS A SOLUTION. FOR US TO BE ABLE TO WORKSHOP A SOLUTION, I VERY APPRECIATE THE CANDID CONVERSATION ON HOW TO FIX IT TO SOMEONE ELSE IS NOT HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE SAME THING. I LIKE WHAT WAS PRESENTED. I AM NOT A FAN OF 1000 CAR WASHES ON ONE BLOCK EITHER, BUT THIS SPEAKS TO MORE THAN THAT FOR ME. SO, I AM HAPPY TO SUPPORT THAT LANGUAGE CHANGE. MONDAY WE HAVE A MOTION?

>> A MOTION AND A SECOND-TIER >> OKAY. A MOTION AND A SECOND.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS, QUESTIONS, CONCERNS? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? IT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. WE ARE ON TO ITEM NUMBER 37.

[37. Final Public Hearing to consider adoption of ZON 24-0014. (District 3, Comm. Renninger) (T. McCoy)]

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>> ITEM NUMBER 37 IS 2020 40014. THE APPLICANT IS ALBERT BARHAM AND TRUSTEE. THE AGENT IS PATRICIA ORTEZ. 1.4 38 ACRE PARCEL FOR INTERMEDIATE BUSINESS DISTRICT AND HEAVY BUSINESS DISTRICT TO SPECIALTY BUSINESS DISTRICT. THIS WAS HEARD BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION ON JULY 2ND. THEY RECOMMENDED APPROVAL, AS WELL. WE NOTIFIED THE RESIDENTS VIA MAIL AND POSTED SIGNS. THE BACKGROUND INFORMATION ON THIS PROJECT IS THAT THE SUBJECT PARCEL IS LOCATED WITH DIRECT ACCESS TO THE BOULEVARD. IT IS THE IDEAL COMMERCIAL USE. THIS REZONING IS REQUESTED TO FACILITATE THE DEVELOPMENT OF AN AUTOMATED CAR WASH. A USE PERMITTED BY RIGHT IN THE ED THREE ZONING DISTRICT. THE LAND USE AND DENSITY FOR THIS AREA IS 40%. THIS MAP SHOWS THAT THIS IS A COMMERCIAL AREA AND BACKED UP BY A RESIDENTIAL SHIRT LAND USE ZONING, AS WELL.

THE ZONING ANALYSIS, THE LAND IS DESIGNATED BEFORE. BUT CHANGED TO ESTABLISHED AREAS FOR DEVELOPMENT OF A SPECIALTY TYPE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT, WHICH WOULD ALLOW ACCESS TO VEHICLES, INCLUDING TRACTOR-TRAILERS. THE SPECIALTY BUSINESS DISTRICT IS MORE RESTRICTIVE THAN THE HEAVY BUSINESS DISTRICT BEFORE, WHICH IS CURRENTLY ON THE PROPERTY.

TO MITIGATE THE IMPACT FACING THE RESIDENTIAL AREAS, THE THREE ZONING DISTRICT REQUIRES A 25 FOOT SETBACK AND A TYPE B PERIMETER BUFFER IN COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL. THE CHART SHOWS THAT THIS DEVELOPMENT IS NEXT TO A MULTI FAMILY THAT WILL BE REQUIRED. ADDED AN ADDITIONAL SLIDE. I GUESTS IT DID NOT MAKE THE MEETING. BUT THE PLANNING COMMISSION DID HAVE SOME QUESTIONS CHANGING THIS TO BP THREE WOULD ALLOW FOR THE BBB DISTRICT ALLOWS FOR ADULT ENTERTAINMENT. SO IN ORDER TO ADDRESS THAT ISSUE I WANTED TO GO OVER SOME OF THE REQUIREMENTS FOR ADULT ENTERTAINMENT WITH THIS PROPERTY ON THE MAP, IT IS BACKED UP BY RESIDENTIAL AND THE TWO PINK AREAS ARE PUBLIC SERVICE AREAS. SO, LOOKING AT THOSE, OUR CODE REQUIRES THAT ANY ADULT ENTERTAINMENT USE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE HUNDRED FEET FROM EITHER ONE OF THOSE TWO THAT THE PROPERTY LINE IS ACTUALLY TOUCHING, THAT IS A ZERO PROPERTY LINE AND THEY WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO HAVE ADULT ENTERTAINMENT AT THIS LOCATION, BASED ON THAT. I ALSO THE FACT THAT THERE ARE TWO SCHOOLS THAT WOULD DISQUALIFY THAT USE, AS WELL. ANY TYPE OF ADULT ENTERTAINMENT REQUIRES A 2500 FEET DISTANCE FROM SCHOOLS AND HAVE TWO SCHOOLS THAT WOULD NOT ALLOW THAT ENVIRONMENT. THE CHURCH IS AT 442 FEET, IT WOULD BE 500 FEET FOR ANY CHURCH. SO, WITH THAT, STAFF CAN GO AHEAD AND RECOMMEND THE CHANGE FROM THE EXISTING ZONING TO THE PROPOSED ZONING. BY REVIEWING THE FINDINGS AND SAID REQUIREMENT. STAFF FEELS THAT THIS IS URBAN SPRAWL OR ANYTHING OF THAT NATURE AND THEY RECOMMEND THAT YOU APPROVE 01 FOUR THANK YOU. MY NAME IS PATRICIA ORTIZ AND FOR THE RECORD, MY ESS IS 28, TAMPA, FLORIDA. 33602. MORE SPECIFICALLY, REPRESENT JOHN FAGAN AND LYNN AND ALBERT ARE ON. THE REQUEST IS TO

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RECLASSIFY LAND CURRENTLY DESIGNATED AS A MIX OF BB AND BB 4 TO THE BB 3 ZONE. OUR INTENT IS -- HAS NEVER BEEN FOR ADULT ENTERTAINMENT. ENTERED DISTRICT REZONING AND HAVE A BUYER THAT IS INTERESTED IN DEVELOPING A CAR WASH. THAT WOULD BE AN AUTOMATED CAR WASH. THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS ONE POINT 48 ACRES IN SIZE. IT IS LOCATED ON THE EAST SIDE OF LINDEN BOULEVARD WITH 60 FEET OF FRONTAGE ON THE SIDE AND 270 FEET OF FRONTAGE ALONG SUZANNE. THIS INTERSECTION IS SIGNALIZED AND VISIBLE, ESPECIALLY VIEWED FROM THE SOUTH AND WEST. THE RELATIVELY SMALL SIZE OF THE PARCEL LIMITS USE TO A SPECIFIC DEGREE. THE EXISTING ZONING ON THE PROPERTY IS MORE INTENSE AND IT ALLOWS FOR A MIX OF COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL ACTIVITY. IT ALSO ALLOWS FOR OPEN STORAGE. HE PROPOSED ZONING INTENDS FOR THE SPECIAL COMMERCIAL FACILITIES ASSOCIATED WITH THE BB 3 ZONE THAT HAVE A LOWER IMPACT ON THE COMMITTEE. IT WILL PROVIDE A MORE PLEASING AESTHETIC, OFFICE RIGHT, CONSIDERING THE INTEGRATED USES AND THOSE USES OF INDUSTRIAL WITH OPEN STORAGE THAT ARE CURRENTLY ALLOWED IN THE BV 4 ZONING DISTRICT. THE REQUEST, WE FEEL IT IS REASONABLE AND APPROPRIATE, AS IT ALLOWS AN ARRAY OF COMMERCIAL USES CONSISTENT WITH THE EMERGING DEVELOPING PATTERN ALONG THE BOULEVARD. THE ZONING REGULATIONS AND THE LAND-USE POLICIES, AS OUTLINED IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WHICH ADDRESS COMMERCIAL USE AND ITS LOCATION. FURTHER, BUILDING PLACEMENT AND SUFFERING WILL ENSURE THAT THEY USE IS APPROPRIATE TO. I AM HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS FOR YOU,

ASSUMING YOU WILL HAVE SOME. >> ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE

APPLICANT? >> THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN. CAN YOU TELL ME, EITHER ONE OF THOSE TWO ZONING IS NOT IS THERE A SIZE COMPONENT FOR THE LOT FOR A CAR WASH?

>> YES A SPRAWL OF 40%. SO, WE WILL NOT BE ABLE TO LIMIT THE SIZE OF THE EYEWASH, BUT THAT WAS BEFORE TO AREA RATIO.

>> I GUESTS I SHOULD HAVE THIS PACIFIC OCEAN. I AM CONFUSED BY THE MATCHUP. SO, DO BOTH OWN BOTH PIECES OR HOW DO THE

PIECES FIT TOGETHER? >> THE SITE CONSISTS OF TWO ADJACENT PROPERTIES. ONE OWNED BY PARFUM, ONE OWNED BY FAGAN.

THE TOTAL LAND AREA IS 1.48 ACRES. THE INTENT IS TO COMBINE THE TWO LOTS TO ONE DEVELOPABLE LOT OF 1.48 ACRES.

>> AND THAT IS WHAT THE DEVELOPER IS LOOKING TO PURCHASE AFTER THE ZONING CHANGE?

>> YES . >> IF I AM CORRECT, THE FAGAN PROPERTY PREVIOUSLY WAS A PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT WAS UNDER CODE ENFORCEMENT CORRECTION IN. HE BROUGHT THE PROPERTY AND CLEANED IT UP, IF I REMEMBER. HE BUILT THE PROPERTY TO CLEAN IT UP. SO, IF YOU GO BACK, THIS FULL PROCESS TOOK A PROPERTY THAT HAD FINES. I FORGET HOW MANY TIMES IT HAD AGAINST IT.

BUT HE TOOK THE PROPERTY AND CLEANED IT UP TO BE DEVELOPED.

IT IS TWO PIECES OF PROPERTY BY TWO DIFFERENT OWNERS WORKING TOGETHER TO MAKE ONE SALE TO ONE.

>> YES. SORRY, MR. CHAIRMAN. ALSO, I WANTED TO UNDERSTAND.

WE JUST TALKED ABOUT ALL OF THE GREAT THINGS WE DID IN TERMS OF BUFFERING AND ADMINISTERING NOISE FROM THE PREVIOUS CAR WASH IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. WE HAVE ANY GUARANTEES WITH THE

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BUFFERING AND THAT THAT -- SORT OF STUFF RATHER THAN BOTHERING FAMILIES THAT ARE RIGHT UP AGAINST IT?

>> THE SETBACK IS FROM THE RESIDENTIAL PARCELS WITH THAT REQUIREMENT. SO, THE TYPE V BUFFERING OFFER SIX FOOT HIGH

TREES IN THINGS OF THAT NATURE. >> THE SAME BUFFER THAT WE GOT

IN THE OTHER ONE? >> BRANDON FIELD IS VERY SPECIFIC. THIS IS JUST MORE OF OUR OVERALL CODE WITH THIS AREA, WHEN COMMERCIAL IS NEXT TO A RESIDENTIAL AREA.

>> IN MY EYES, THIS IS SPECIAL BUFFERING THAT WE JUST TALKE ABOUT IT FOR HOW LONG FOR THE ONE IN BRANDON FIELD. MAKING SURE THAT THE JET ENGINES SHOOTING OUT INTO THE STREET AND ALL OF THOSE THINGS, WE DO NOT HAVE THE SAME PROTECTIONS HERE FOR THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE RIGHT BEHIND THE CAR WASH.

>> KNOW. >> THAT IS WHERE I HAVE A

PROBLEM. >> IF I MAY, WE HAVE GONE TO THE EXTENT OF CREATING A SITE DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT WILL SOON GO BEFORE YOUR DEVELOPMENT REVIEW COMMITTEE WHICH SHOWS, WHAT I WOULD SAY IS SUPERIOR DESIGN TOO MANY CAR WASHES. THE BUILDING, AND THROUGH THE STANDARD DISTRICT REZONING, WE CANNOT ASK FOR VARIANCES TO REDUCE REQUIRED BUFFERING OR REQUIRED SET BACK. SO, PART OF THE PRACTICE IS TO ENSURE THAT THE USE CAN FIT ON SITE AND MEET REQUIRED DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS. SO, WE CAN DEVELOP A CAR WASH MEETING THE BUFFERING AND SETBACK REQUIREMENTS. THIS DEVELOPER IS ESPECIALLY CONCERNED ABOUT NOISE. THE BRAIN OF THE CAR WASH SYSTEM WILL BE IN A TOTALLY ENCLOSED SYSTEM. SO, HE WILL HAVE A ROOF, SIDES, AND THE BUFFER THAT -- REDUCES THE NOISE SIGNIFICANTLY. IN ADDITION, WE ARE SHOWING A RIGHT IN AND WRITE OUT ONLY ACCESS, WHICH WILL NOT INTERFERE WITH THE SIGNALIZED INTERSECTION AT BLANDING AND SUZANNE. SO, WE HAVE DONE OUR HOMEWORK AND WE CAN MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE CODE. WE ARE NOT GOING TO COME BACK HERE THEY HEY, WE NEED A VARIANCE BECAUSE WE CANCELED THE THING ON THE SITE.

WE HAVE DONE THE WORK AND WE CAN MEET THOSE CODE

REQUIREMENTS. >> WITH THE DEVELOPER BE WILLING TO SUBMIT TO THE CAR WHAT CHANGES FOR VCC. THE

COMMUNITY CENTER. YES. >> I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THOSE CHANGES. YOU KNOW, I AM KIND OF ON THE HIGH, BEING ASKED IF YOU WOULD AGREE TO IT. I HAVE NOT FULLY DIGESTED WHAT THOSE CHANGES ARE. I AM JUST ACTING THAT THEY ARE CHANGES TO BUFFERING AND SCREENING. BUT, IF WE COULD MAYBE OUTLINE THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE, I DID TALK TO MR. BEGIN. HE IS HERE. POSSIBLY MAKE A QUICK PHONE CALL, IF THAT IS NECESSARY. SO, COULD YOU PLEASE ENLIGHTEN ME?

>> SO, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT, AGAIN, WERE THE HOURS OF OPERATION, NOT DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL. SO, THAT WOULD NOT BE POSSIBLE IN THIS PARTICULAR

CASE. SIGNAGE WOULD BE -- >> WHAT HOURS OF OPERATION DID

YOU RESTRICT ? >> 7:30 TO 9:00 P.M.

>> TYPICALLY DOES DEVELOPER HAS HOURS OF 8:00 A.M. UNTIL SUNSET WHICH VARIES THROUGHOUT THE YEAR. I DON'T SEE A PROBLEM WITH LIMITING THE HOURS OF OPERATION. AND WHEN I SAY WE CAN LIMIT THE HOURS OF OPERATION FROM 8:00 A.M. TO 8:00 P.M. TO THROW SOMETHING ON THE TABLE.

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>> WE ALSO HAD ADDITIONAL COVERAGE SO THAT WE WERE BUFFERING THE WAYS BY USING SOME COVERS FOR THE VACUUM AREA

>> ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT A CANOPY OVER THE WE ARE PROPOSING THAT AS WELL AND THEN AS WELL, MARK SPECIFICALLY AGREED TO USE A LOW NOISE VACUUM SYSTEM. SO, THAT IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THEY DID SPECIFICALLY. TERMINATING THAT WE ARE ALREADY DOING THAT BECAUSE WE HAVE THE ENCLOSED VACUUM SYSTEM, SORT OF A TRADEMARK OF OUR DEVELOPMENT.

IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE ARE PROPOSING, EXCUSE ME, LARGER VACUUM AREAS . INSTEAD OF THE SIZE TO PRODUCE NO PARKING SPACES. WE ARE PROPOSING THE VACUUM AND A VACUUM COURT TO BE THERE FEET WIDE AND 20 FEET LONG. THAT GIVES THE PATRONS OF THE CAR WASH ENOUGH ROOM TO WORK AROUND THE CAR WITH AND HAD WITH BOTH LIKE CARS IN THE AREA.

>> ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE VACUUM THAT IS ACTUALLY LISTEN THE CAR WASH AT SELF, NOT NECESSARILY YOUR VACUUM STATIONS, BUT THE LAST BIG BLOWER, IF YOU WILL, AS YOU ARE

GOING TO APPEAR >> OH, COMING OUT .

>> I DON'T HAVE ANY DETAIL ON THE NOISE OUTPUT WITH WHAT I HAVE ON WHAT IS PROPOSED FOR THIS CAR WASH, BUT DO YOU HAVE A DECIBEL READING? SO, CAN YOU TELL ME CONDITION FOR THE BRANDON FIELD CAR WASH. IF IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE COULD HUDDLE ON, I MAY BE ABLE TO AGREE TO THAT HERE TONIGHT.

>> WE DON'T HAVE BUT THE ORIENTATION IN THE WAYS TO

TRANSFER SOME OF THAT NOISE. >> AND OUR PROPOSED DRAWING, WE ARE SHOWING THE PROPOSED CAR WASH BUILDING TO BE LOCATED IN A MANNER THAT WOULD REALLY WORK TO BUFFER SOME OF THE NOISE THAT IS COMING OFF OF LANDON BOULEVARD. IT IS ARRANGED PARALLEL TO THE REAR PROPERTY LINE. SO, AS THE CAR IS COMING OUT OF THE CAR WASH, THE NOISE IS GOING TO BE GOING TO BE USED, NOT -- WILL LET ME ORIENT MY PICTURE. THE NOISE WOULD BE GOING TO THE NORTH, NOT TO BE EASED, WHERE THE EXISTING RESIDENTIAL IS LOCATED. FURTHERMORE, WEAKER BOXES ASSOCIATED WITH THE PAYMENT KIOSKS ARE LOCATED APPROXIMATELY -- 92 FEET FROM THE SHARED PROPERTY LINE BETWEEN THE CAR WASH AND THE ABUTTING RESIDENTIAL. SO, WE HAVE ALREADY TAKEN QUITE A BIT OF THIS INTO ACCOUNT AND THIS DESIGN IS PROPOSED TO GO TO YOUR DRC SUBSEQUENT TO AN APPROVAL IF WE WERE TO RECEIVE THAT. SO, I HAVE KIND OF DRAWN OVER MY ILLUSTRATION HERE, BUT IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO TAKE IT AND PASS IT AROUND TO LOOK AT, YOU MAY. AGAIN, IN SUMMARY, WE ARE PROPOSING A WRITE IN, WRITE OUT FROM BLANDING. THAT WOULD THE ONLY ACCESS POINT. THAT ACCESS DOES NOT INTERFERE WITH THE SIGNALIZED INTERSECTION OF BLANDING AND SUZANNE. WE ARE PROPOSING SPEAKER BOXES AND THE ORIENTATION OF THE CAR WASH BUILDING TO BE LEAST IMPACTFUL TO THE ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL WITH SIGNIFICANT SETBACK FOR THE SPEAKER BOX AND ORIENTATION OF THE CAR WASH TUNNEL IT SELF. WE ARE PROPOSING TO HAVE A CANOPY COVERED VACUUM STATION SO THAT THE PATRONS HAVE A MORE

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COMFORTABLE WORK ENVIRONMENT. THE WORKSTATIONS ARE OVERSIZED TO ACCOMMODATE FOR THE CAR WASHING ACTIVITY IN THE DRIVE FILES IN THE VACUUM STATION MEASURED 30 FEET FROM WORKSTATION TO WORKSTATION, SO THAT IS EVEN LARGER THAN YOUR

TYPICAL TWO WAY DRIVE. >> I HAVE A QUESTION. TO SPEAK OF DRIED OUT AND THERE IN A BUT IN THE COMMERCIAL AREA TO THE

NORTH. >> APPEARED THERE IS CURRENTLY AN ACCESS POINT FROM BLANDING BOULEVARD. THE FRONTAGE AROUND BLANDING IS 60 FEET. RIGHT NOW, THAT IS A DRIVEWAY INTO -- A PORTION OF THE SUBJECT SITE. WE ARE NOT PROPOSING TO INCREASE THAT OR HAVE AN ADDITIONAL ACCESS POINT. WE ARE GOING TO USE THE ACCESS POINT THAT ALREADY EXISTS.

>> THE PROPOSED ACCESS ON SUZANNE?

>> NO, SIR. >> CARS HEADING SOUTHBOUND DOWN BLANDING, WOULD THEY BE ABLE TO TAKE A LEFT?

>> THE MEDIAN WOULD PREVENT THAT. HOWEVER, --

>> I DON'T HAVE A PICTURE OF IT THAT I CAN TELL TO LOOK AT.

SO I WOULD APPRECIATE THAT INFORMATION.

>> YOU CAN DESCRIBE IT. >> YOU COULD DO A U-TURN, YOU COULD TURN AT THE LIGHT, YOU KNOW, THE IDEA THAT IT IS A SIGNALIZED INTERSECTION HERE. THE ONLY ACCESS IS RIGHT IN AND WRITE OUT. IT IS DESIGNED THAT WAY SO IT WILL NOT INTERFERE WITH THE INTERSECTION. MOVEMENTS AT THE INTERSECTION.

JUST ONE LAST QUESTION FOR ME. ARE THEY REQUESTING ANY SPECIAL SIGNAGE IN TERMS OF LIGHTING. SOME CAR WASHES HAVE

MULTICOLORED FLASHING PANELS. >> NO. WE HAVE NOT SEEN ANY DRAWINGS OR ANYTHING OF THAT NATURE. SO, WE ARE LOOKING AT THE ZONING DISTRICT. THAT WAS THE FOCUS OF DISCUSSION, WHETHER OR NOT TO CHANGE THE ZONING DISTRICT FOR THIS

PARTICULAR USE. >> WHAT DID OUR PLANNING AND

ZONING COMMISSION DO? >> THEY VOTED UNANIMOULY FOR RECOMMENDATION. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT WITH STAFF? THE PUBLIC HEARING?

>> YOU ARE WELCOME. I DON'T HAVE ANY CARDS ON THIS. IS THERE ANYONE I WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THE SUBJECT? TAKING NONE, HEARING NONE COULD HAVE A CLUE THE PUBLIC HEARING. IT IS A LONG NIGHT. SINCE THIS IS IN THE BLANDING CORE DOOR DISTRICT, LIKE I ALLUDED TO, THIS WAS A PROBLEMATIC PIECE OF PROPERTY A YEAR AND A HALF AGO TO TWO YEARS AGO. IT WAS CLEANED UP I THE APPLICANT. ALTHOUGH I PERSONALLY DO NOT UNDERSTAND ALL OF THE CAR WASH STUFF, IT IS CRAZY. BUT, I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THIS.

>> I WILL SECOND. >> A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONER MIKE CELLA, YOU LOOK LIKE YOU WANT TO SPEAK. AND WHAT I DO WANT TO, I JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT TO SAY AT THIS TIME. YOU KNOW, AGAIN, WITHIN A STONE'S THROW OF THAT PARTICULAR LOCATION, THERE ARE SEVERAL CAR WASHES. FROM THE STANDPOINT OF A CONSERVATIVE AND MY GOVERNMENT MAKING DECISIONS ON WHAT BUSINESSES PEOPLE PUT IN WHAT LOCATION, THE NEXT CATEGORY COULD BE SANDWICH SHOPS OR COULD BE COPY SHOPS OR WHATEVER. BUT, AT THE SAME TIME, SOMETIMES IT IS A MARKETPLACE TO LEASE ITSELF WHERE YOU FEEL LIKE YOU HAVE TO GET FOR THEM. IT MAKES IT VERY DIFFICULT. ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE COIN, PROPERTY OWNERS HAVE

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THE RIGHT TO DO WHAT THEY CAN WITH THEIR PROPERTY. IT IS A LEGAL BUSINESS, SO MY ONLY CONCERN WOULD BE THAT THE PEOPLE THAT WOULD BEHIND THAT CAR WASH ARE TAKEN CARE OF AS FAR AS OPPORTUNITIES TO PREVENT LIGHTS, SOUNDS, NOISE, ALL OF THAT KIND OF STUFF FROM INTERFERING WITH THEIR PURSUIT OF LIFE, LIBERTY AND HAPPINESS. THAT IS MY THOUGHT.

>> YOU MAY NOT HAVE ANANSWER, BUT IS THERE A LIMITED NUMBER OF MANUFACTURERS OF THIS? IS HE A STANDARD TITLE WITH THE BLOWERS AND THE FLAPPERS AND THE AREA OUTSIDE.

>> I AM NOT SURE IF I KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION AS TO HOW MANY MANUFACTURERS THERE ARE. THIS ALL KIND OF CAME ABOUT WITH TECHNOLOGY DEVELOPED BY TOMMY'S CAR WASH IN ABOUT WITH THE IDEA WITH A CUSTOMER FRIENDLY SYSTEM PUT IN THESE URBAN AREAS WHERE THEY HAVE TO MAKE SOME USES TO KILL HER. THE DEVELOPER I WORK FOR IS VERY CONCERNED TO COMPLEMENT THE AREA IN WHICH IT IS LOCATED. AND WE DO THAT BY ENSURING THAT THE IMPACTS OF DEVELOPMENT ARE MITIGATED BEYOND WHAT IS REQUIRED BY THE CODE. AN EXAMPLE OF THAT IS SETTING THE SPEAKER BOX BACK OVER 90 FEET. IN BUFFERING REQUIREMENTS, THINKING ABOUT ACCESS AND CREATING A VIABLE BUSINESS.

NOW, NOT EVERY CAR WASH IS BILLED TO THE SAME STANDARD.

THERE ARE MANY THAT DON'T PUT CANOPIES OVER THERE VACUUM STATIONS. THERE ARE MANY THAT BOTH OLD VACUUM CANS THAT ARE VERY LOUD. THERE ARE SEVERAL THAT, IN MY OPINION, DON'T HAVE ANY ASCETIC INTEGRITY. THIS DEVELOPMENT YOU WILL SEE THIS AS IT GOES THROUGH YOUR DEVELOPMENT REVIEW COMMITTEE.

WE ARE NOT ASKING FOR ANY VARIANCES WE HAVE DONE OUR HOMEWORK TO MAKE SURE THE USE ON THIS SITE HAS MINIMAL IMPACTS AND MET THE NOTICE REQUIREMENTS AND WE HAVE HAD NO CALLS OR CONCERNS FROM ANY ADJACENT NEIGHBORS. YOU HAVE A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL FROM STAFF AND FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION. I WILL ALSO STATE THAT BLANDING BOULEVARD IS A NEARLY BUILT OUT COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR. THERE IS ONE AND ALMOST EVERY JURISDICTION. YOU KNOW? I LIVE IN TAMPA, WE HAVE THE NEIGHBORING HIGHWAY. ORLANDO HAS INTERNATIONAL DRIVE. THESE ROADWAYS KINDA PROVIDE THIS SPINE FOR MULTIPLE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENTS FOR LARGE AREAS WITH LARGER CONCENTRATIONS TO GET FROM POINT TO POINT. ALONG THESE CORRIDORS, YOU HAVE A PLAN USES. THAT KIND OF CREATES A COMPETITION. YES, THERE ARE EXISTING CAR WASHES IN THIS AREA. YES, THERE ARE ALSO SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF BANKS AND FAST FOOD RESTAURANTS. THAT GIVES PEOPLE IN THE CHOICE.

THEY CAN CHOOSE A PARTICULAR BRAND OR LOCATION THAT IS MOST CONVENIENT TO THEM. I CAN GO ON.

>> ONE OF THE BETTER EXPEDITIONS I HAVE HEARD FOR

CAR WASHES. >> THE CAR WASH, THE AMOUNT OF CAR WASHES THAT COME ON BOARD RECENTLY ARE A DIRECT RESULT OF THE AND AFFORDABILITY OF HOUSING. PEOPLE ARE SPENDING A LOT MORE MONEY ON THEIR CARS AND THEY WANT TO MAINTAIN THEIR CAR TO A HIGHER DEGREE THAN THEY HAVE DONE IN THE PAST.

THAT IS LARGELY BECAUSE OF PEOPLE THAT ARE NOT ABLE TO AFFORD A HOUSE WHEN THEY ARE DOWN. THEY BUY A CAR AND THEY TAKE CARE OF IT. IT IS UNCOMMON THAT YOU SEE PEOPLE IN THEIR CAR WAY OR IN THEIR STREET. YOU CAN GET A VERY GOOD CAR WASH

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PRODUCT FOR AN AFFORDABLE PRICE.

>> THINK YOU VERY MUCH. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?

>> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? ANY OPPOSED? I HEARD TWO. 3-2, NEGATIVE. IT PASSES 3-2. ITEM

[38. Final Public Hearing to consider adoption of COMP 24-0008 and ZON 24-0013. (District 5, Comm. Burke) (D. Selig)]

NUMBER 38, PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER ADOPTION ZERO, ZERO,

ZERO THIRD TEAM. >> ALL RIGHT, GOOD EVENING.

>> IS AN EVENING? >> IT SHOULD BE MORNING.

>> PEOPLE SHOULD HAVE HAD TO BRING US DINNER. FRANKLY, WE

OWE HIM. >> WHAT I WAS GOING TO ASK IS FOR THE CONTINUANCE THE REASON I AM ASKING FOR IT IS THERE ARE STILL CAN -- DISCUSSIONS BETWEEN THE OWNERS OF THE RIGHT AWAY AND HOW IT IS GOING TO BE DEDICATED. ONE OF THE ATTORNEYS INVOLVED IN THAT LOCATION SO, WE DO NOT HAVE AN ANSWER TONIGHT. SO I ASKED THAT WE CONTINUE THIS COMPLAINT AND ZONING MATTER UNTIL THE 13TH OF AUGUST.

>> YEAH. >> I WILL APPROVAL.

>> SECOND. >> THE REASON I DID NOT MAKE THE MOTION IS BECAUSE HE BEAT ME TO IT.

>> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO CONTINUE THIS TO AUGUST 13TH. ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS OR CONCERNS? WE HAVE TO HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING, DON'T WE? ALL RIGHT. PUBLIC HEARING ON ITEM NUMBER 38 IS NOW OPEN. THERE ANYONE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK ON THIS? A MOTION AND A SECOND GET ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR ANYBODY? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? ANY

OPPOSED? PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. >> THANK YOU, FRANK. SORRY TO

[39. Letter of Support for the Branan Field State Historic Marker]

KEEP YOU LATE, FRANK. ITEM NUMBER 39 IS A LETTER OF SUPPORT FOR THE BRANDON FIELD MARKER FOR OUTLINE BRANDON FIELD. THAT IS WHERE THE BLUE ANGELS WERE BIRTHED. THEY DID SOME OF THEIR EARLIER SHOWS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO, IT IS A LETTER FROM THE CHAIRMAN HERE. WHO DOES IT GO TO?

>> THE STATE? >> OF APPROVAL.

>> SECOND GEAR >> A MOTION AND A SECOND. THAT WILL BE SIGNED TONIGHT. ALL OF THOSE IN FAVOR? ANY OPPOSED? IT

[40. Bid Opening Tabulations (K. Smith)]

PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. WE HAVE LETTERS OF DOCUMENTATION. I HAVE A COUPLE OF BID OPENINGS. COMMISSIONER BETSY CONDON HAD THE LETTER THAT I WAS GOING TO PRESENT . THAT WAS THE LETTER FROM CONGRESSMAN MEETING SUPPORTING US. I AM GOING TO OPEN THE LAST PUBLIC COMMENT SECTION OF THE EVENING HERE. IF YOU WISH TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION, NOW IS YOUR TIME.

THE MINUTES. HEARING THEN, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENTS

[COUNTY ATTORNEY]

AND BRING IT TO COMMISSION COMMENTS. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY

MUCH. COUNTY ATTORNEY? >> QUICKLY FOLLOWING OPTIMA, AND LAST BOARD MEETING WITH THE LITIGATION. I WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT OUR COUNSEL DID MOVE AND ADDED TWO ADDITIONAL DEFENDANTS FOR PUBLIC AND WINN-DIXIE TO THE COMPLAINT. I WILL KEEP

[COUNTY MANAGER]

CAPTIONERS TRANSITIONING ]YOU POSTED.

I WANTED TO THANK THE ENTIRE STAFF. CALLING TO HELP US GET T MAX MILLAGE THIS EVENING. IN THE VOTE BY THE BOARD. AND BRIAN IS BACK HERE WHILE TIM IS OUT OF TOWN. WE MANAGED TO CONNECT BRIAN WITH ERIC ON A SUGGESTION ABOUT HELPING US

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PREPARE OUR PLAN OF ACTION IN THE 64 DIFFERENT AREAS. IT WAS A GREAT THING THAT HAPPENED TONIGHT AND A LOT OF OTHER

[COMMISSIONERS' COMMENTS]

THINGS GOING ON. THAT'S ALL I HAVE PENDING ANY QUESTIONS.

>> I WILL SAY, BRIAN. ERIC IS I THINK WORLD-RENOWNED. UNITED STATES RECOGNIZED EXPERT IN EMERGENCY PLANNING. WE ACTUALLY, HE'S THE CLAY COUNTY LIAISON. WE HAVE THE BEST.

DON'T TELL BETH I SAID THAT. THE ONLY REAL QUICKLY , MR. CHAIRMAN IS I WAS ABLE TO REPRESENT CLAY COUNTY AT THE MAKO CONFERENCE A WEEK AND A HALF AGO. NATIONAL ASSOCIATION ACCOUNTINGS HELD IN HILLSBORO. WE GOT A CALL THROUGH --.

BECAUSE IT WAS HELD IN FLORIDA. OBVIOUSLY 50 STATES IT'S HELD DIFFERENT PLACES. IT WAS HELD IN FLORIDA AND AND IT WON'T BE QUITE A WHILE AGAIN. WE TRIED TO HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE FROM ALL 67 COUNTIES. IT WAS ACCOMPLISHED. I REALLY DIDN'T HAVE AN APPRECIATION FOR WHAT -- COULD DO FOR US AS CLAY COUNTY FLORIDA. VERSUS FLORIDA FLORIDA ASSOCIATION OF COUNTIES. WE UNDERSTAND HOW THEY LOBBIED FOR US. NATE GO HAS A LOT OF RESOURCES THAT WE CAN UTILIZE AND STAFF CAN UTILIZE. I BROUGHT THE PUBLICATIONS THAT ARE THAT THICK AND WALKED OUT OF MY HOUSE THIS MORNING BECAUSE THE DAY STARTED EARLY AND LEFT IT AT HOME. I WILL PUT IT ON THE TABLE IN MY OFFICE. FEEL FREE TO PASS THE WORLD -- WORD WITH STAFF. EVERYBODY FROM PUBLIC WORKS TO EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT.

THE COMMUNITY SERVICES . MEGAN IS NOT HERE ANYMORE BUT GRANTS THE. YOU WANT TO LOOK THROUGH IT, THOSE WERE ALL FREE. I ALSO GOT SOME INFORMATION THAT I'M TRYING TO CONNECT CHOI THE COUNTY MANAGER TO THAT THERE MAY BE ADDITIONAL ARPA FUNDS AVAILABLE TO THE COUNTIES BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF PLACES IN THE U.S. THAT CAN'T SPEND THE MONEY AND DON'T HAVE THE PROJECTS WHICH I THINK WHAT LED TO THE EXTENSION OF THE

DEADLINES. >> IT'S EXCITING OVER THERE.

>> I KNOW. >> WE WERE TRYING TO GET OUR FLORIDA REPRESENTATIVE TO BE ELECTED . THE SECOND VICE PRESIDENT TO BE IN LINE. BUT HE CAME IN SECOND PLACE. SHE WORKED REALLY HARD. THERE WERE THREE CANDIDATES AND HE CAME IN

SECOND. >> DO YOU REMEMBER WHICH STATE?

>> HE'S FROM THE D.C. AREA AND ATLANTIC COAST. I'M NOT POSITIVE AND HE WAS A NICE GENTLEMAN. YOU KNOW?

>> WE KNOW BILL. >> HE WOULD'VE REPRESENTED US WELL. THE GENTLEMAN WHO WON DOESN'T HAVE QUITE THE SAME TENDENCIES THAT CLAY COUNTY WOULD LOOK FOR IN OUR REPRESENTATIVE. WHAT I LEARNED FROM IT IS -- IS LIKE WHAT WE MAKE OF IT. IF WE WANT ADDITIONAL LOBBY POWER AT THE NATIONAL LEVEL, GETTING INVOLVED IS PART OF THAT. I BROUGHT BACK THAT STUFF AND WE WILL SEE WHERE ANY OF IT CAN GO AND IF WE CAN GET SOMETHING OUT OF IT. AND I APPRECIATE THE

OPPORTUNITY, THANK YOU. >> JUST A THANK YOU TO THE COUNTY MANAGER AND STAFF FOR THE WORKSHOP THIS MORNING. IT IS SO MUCH INFORMATION AND I APPRECIATED THE TRUNCATED VERSION. I KNOW WE INDIVIDUALLY HAD OUR INDIVIDUAL MEETINGS.

BUT I AM GRATEFUL FOR THE LEVEL OF DETAIL. ATTENTION THAT OUR BUDGET GETS. WHEN I GO TO THESE CONFERENCES AND YOU HEAR WHISPERS THAT ARE HAPPENING ACROSS THE STATE. WHAT WE HAVE IN CLAY IS SO UNIQUE. WE WORK WELL TOGETHER. OUR STAFF IS EXCEPTIONAL , DARE I SAY EXCEPTIONAL PULLING IT ALL TOGETHER TO ANSWER QUESTIONS ON THE FLY. THREE HOURS OF ANSWERING QUESTIONS RAPIDFIRE AND SPEAKING TO IT. WITH A MEASURE OF DETAIL THAT CANNOT BE OVERSTATED. I'M GRATEFUL FOR IT TODAY AND WHAT WE WERE ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH AND I LOOK FORWARD TO THE SUPER BOWL OF THE COMMISSION. GETTING ALL OF ITS ON SEPTEMBER HOPEFULLY WE CAN GET EVERYTHING SQUARED AWAY

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FOR THE BUDGET HERE IN SEPTEMBER. AGAIN, THANK YOU.

>> LEADS TO GET ALONG WELL UNTIL THE CHAIRMAN JUMPED UGLY

WITH ME TONIGHT. >> I GAVE HIM THE STINK EYE.

>> I WANT TO ECHO THOSE THOUGHTS OF THE STAFF. IT'S BEEN A LONG DAY FOR EVERYBODY. THREE FULL HOURS THIS MORNING.

THAT'S EIGHT FULL HOURS , AND IT SOUNDS LIKE WE ARE LIKE THE U.N. OR SOMETHING HERE. I WANT ONE QUICK THING. THE CLAY IMPACT CLAY TRAINING WAS OUT IN KEYSTONE OVER THE WEEKEND ON SATURDAY WITH THE USUAL ONCE A QUARTER VISIT WITH 70 VOLUNTEERS WHICH IS ON THE LOW SIDE. I THINK PEOPLE ARE ON VACATION. FOCUS NOT ON VACATION WITH THE RESIDENCE. WE DREW 199 RESIDENCE WE COULD SERVE THAT DAY. IF YOU HAVE NOT CHECKED OUT CLAY TRAINING, YOU SHOULD DO SO. NEXT MONTH IS AUGUST 17, CLAY HILL ELEMENTARY 11:00 AM TO 1:00 PM. SOMEBODY SHOULD BE ABLE TO HELP WITH ASIAN CARE AND EYEGLASSES TO THAT EFFECT.

WITH VISION CARE AND EYEGLASSES. AS WELL AS GROCERIES AND CLOTHES AND A WHOLE BUNCH OF THINGS PEOPLE CAN BENEFIT FROM SHOWING UP. IF YOU HAVE SOMEBODY IN THE CLAY HILL AREA, 17 AUGUST, SEND THEM THROUGH. THERE IS ADVICE AND MENTAL HEALTH COUNSELING AND ALL KINDS OF THINGS. LIBRARY SERVICE WAS THERE. PSO OFFICER WAS THERE. WHO ELSE WAS THERE? THE VETERAN SERVICES. AND LIBRARY. WHICH ONE? COMMUNITY SERVICES. ANYWAY, WE HOPE TO SEE YOU THERE. GREAT STUFF.

>> I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE. EVERYBODY HAVE A GREAT LIST OF

YOUR WEEK. >> LET ME COMPLEMENT THE STAFF.

ALTHOUGH WE STARTED AND THIS IS A PART-TIME JOB. SO, IT'S ONLY 12 HOURS. ABOUT HALF A DAY. WE STARTED AT 9:00 AND WE FINISHED AT 9:00. BUT ANYWAY, I FEEL PRIVILEGED TO BE PART OF THE COMMISSION WITH ALL THE POLITICS. NATIONAL POLITICS AS WELL. IN THE FIGHTING AND INFIGHTING AND OUT FIGHTING. WE DON'T AGREE ON EVERYTHING EVERY TIME EVERY DAY. BUT IN GENERAL, WE GET THE JOB DONE . AND THAT IS THE IMPORTANT PART.

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