[Call to Order] [Approval of Minutes] [Old Business] [00:48:20] PLEASE STAND BY FOR REALTIME CAPTIONS. [00:53:44] >>> WE HAVE THE NATIONAL REGISTER AND HISTORIC PLACES. [00:53:47] WE ALSO HAVE SIGNS THAT INDICATE THESE OTHER SIGNS THAT [00:53:52] INDICATE WHERE HISTORIC SITES AND MARKERS ARE. HAVE YOU SEEN [00:54:01] ANY OF THEM LATELY? >> YES. [00:54:03] >> OH, OKAY. THOSE ARE AREAS OF MARKERS. DOES THE SIGN [00:54:16] DEPARTMENT NOT CAUGHT -- CHARGE FOR MARKERS? [00:54:20] >> WHEN WE, SAY, FOUR THE CANNERY SIGH, IF WE WANT TO PUT [00:54:29] UP -- INSTEAD OF DOING IS STATE MARKER, WE WANTED TO SIGN [00:54:36] INSTEAD, EXPLAINING THE HISTORY OF THE PROPERTY. YES, WE WOULD [00:54:39] CHARGE FOR A SIGN. BUT FOR WEIGHT-BEARING SIGNS THAT IS TO POINT THE WAY ON THE ROADWAY, DON'T KNOW WE WOULD CHARGE FOR THOSE. I WOULD HAVE TO GET FURTHER INSTRUCTIONS. >> THOSE ARE THE ONLY ONES, SO FAR, FOR THE COUNTY SIGNS. [00:55:02] >> AS FAR AS I CAN TELL, THE STATUS HAS NOT QUITE CHANGED SINCE 2020, WHEN I JOINED THE BOARD , ABOUT THE COUNTY MARKERS. NOW THERE ARE A FEW. NOT MANY. I UNDERSTAND THAT KIMBERLY MORGAN HAS BEEN WORKING ON FINALIZING SOMETHING , OR SPELLING OUT SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE THE SPECIFICATIONS. I THINK IT WAS IN MAY OCTOBER AND NOVEMBER AGENDA WHEN WE GOT HER LIST OF WHAT ARE THE CURRENT MARKERS, ET CETERA, WHAT WOULD BE THE COUNTY MARKERS . IS THAT STILL IN FLUX, OR HAS IT CHANGED ANY IN THE LAST FOUR YEARS? >> WE HAVE NOT FINALIZED FOR COUNTY MARKERS. >> PRESUMING WE WOULD AT SOME DAY, FINALLY SOMETHING FOR COUNTY MARKERS, WOULD WE NOT PAY THE COUNTY SIGN DEPARTMENT FOR THOSE MARKERS? >> WE HAVE DISCUSSED , BILLY AND KIMBERLY, WE HAVE DISCUSSED THE POTENTIAL COST WHATEVER YOU -- WHICH EACH SIGN WOULD BE. AND WHAT THEY ARE, YES. >> I WILL SAY THE COST OF THE SIGNED WILL BE A LOT LESS THAN THE COUNTY OR STATE MARKER. YOU ARE TALKING MAYBE 100 TO 204 SIGN COMPARED TO 2000 FOUR MARKER. >> UNDER PREVIOUS GUIDELINES, THE WORDING ON THESE MARKERS ARE SO MINIMAL THAT WE WERE CHARGED NOTHING . UP TO NOW. I WOULD BE IN FAVOR BECAUSE OF HER -- EVEN IF IT COSTS SOMETHING. SO FAR, THAT HAS NOT BEEN THE NORM. >> THE FIRST DESIGNATED COUNTY MARKER WAS APPROVED IN 1996. IT IS THE FOREMAN HOMESTEAD MARKER. THE COST, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, WAS $3500 FOR A LARGE GRANITE MARKER THAT IS ENGRAVED. IT DOESN'T LIST IT, BUT IT IS CERTAINLY THERE. >> IT WAS ON THE LIST BUT I LOOKED AT. I DON'T REMEMBER WHERE I GOT THAT LIST FROM. BABY BETH, OR KIMBERLY GIVE IT TO ME. I DON'T REMEMBER. >> MAY BE SO, BECAUSE IT'S NOT ON MY THAT I'VE BEEN ABLE TO FIND IN THE LAST FOUR YEARS. IT'S WORTHY OF BEING INCLUDED WITH ALL OF THE OTHER LIST WE HAVE. >> >> THERE IS SIGNAGE FOR THAT MARKER ON FOREMAN CIRCLE. >> THAT'S RIGHT. >> I'VE BEEN WAITING TO HEAR BACK HOW WE ARE GOING TO SIGN THESE THINGS BEFORE I CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH UPGRADING SIGNS. >> THAT MAKES SENSE. >> OKAY . >> I DON'T UNDERSTAND. YOU ARE SITTING BACK, JERRY, AS THOUGH THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ANY OF US. >> IT DOES, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE ARE SUPPOSED TO DO NEXT. >> WE SHOULD STOP OPERATING BY THE SEAT OF OUR PANTS, AND HAVE SOME BUDGET WE CAN AT LEAST LOOK TO SAY HOW ARE YOU ARE GOING TO DISTRIBUTE THESE FUNDS. I THINK WE NEED TO BECOME -- ACCOUNTABLE TO THE COMMISSIONERS AND THE CITIZENS OF THE COUNTY FOR HOW WE ARE SPENDING THE MONEY. >> WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, I BELIEVE WE ARE ACCOUNTABLE. FROM THE TIME I HAVE BEEN ON THIS BOARD, IT SEEMS THAT OUR BUDGET WAS $5000. CORRECT ME IF I AM WRONG. AND THAT WE HAVE BEEN DILIGENTLY MOVING THE PROCESS OF ESTABLISHING WHAT MARKERS AND PRESERVING WHAT WE CAN FORWARD . WE ARE USING OUR BUDGET ACCORDINGLY. I DON'T SEE HOW THERE IS SUCH A BUMP IN THE ROAD. >> OKAY, IF YOU GO ON TO THE SECOND BULLET, TRAINING AND EDUCATION, AND TO THE THIRD BULLET, OUTREACH, BY THE NEW GUIDELINES, -- THEY ARE NOT NEW [01:00:05] GUIDELINES, THEY ARE OUR GUIDELINES FOR OPERATING AS THE CLAY COUNTY HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD, I THINK WE DEFINITELY NEED SOME TRAINING AND EDUCATION , AS WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT. HOW DO WE DECIDE BETWEEN COUNTY, STATE, OR HISTORIC REGISTER DESIGNATIONS. THAT'S AN EDUCATION ISSUE. SEVERAL TIMES WE HAVE COME INTO COLLISIONS ABOUT TAX MARKER. IS ADEQUATE? DOES IT MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF COUNTY, OR RATHER OF THE STATE DEPARTMENT OF HISTORICAL RESOURCES? THERE ARE GUIDELINES FOR THAT. THERE ARE WAYS OF DOING THAT BUT I THINK WE HAVE BEEN CONSISTENTLY IGNORING. >> ARE YOU SAYING THERE'S AN EDUCATIONAL CLASS YOU WOULD LIKE TO ATTEND? >> I AM SAYING WE NEED EDUCATION AND HOW TO OPERATE CORRECTLY AS THE CLAY COUNTY HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD. IT IS ALL LAID OUT IN THE GUIDELINES WE WERE SENT. ARE THEY CALLED LAWS OR REGULATIONS FOR GOVERNING CLAY COUNTY HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD? >> IT IS THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. PART OF OUR CODE, ARTICLE 12. YES. >> LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE . IT IS NOT JUST ABOUT -- WE ARE NOT JUST ABOUT PUTTING UP HISTORIC MARKERS, WHETHER THEY BE COUNTY OR STATE. >> BETH CAN YOU -- >> MY RECOLLECTION IS THAT EVERY MEMBER OF THE BOARD, PAST AND PRESENT, SINCE I'VE BEEN ON THIS SINCE 2013, I THINK IS MY FIRST DEBUT. HAS BEEN IN FAVOR OF TRAINING . NO INDIVIDUAL HAS COME UP WITH SPECIFIC PROPOSALS FOR THAT TRAINING TO BE DONE. >> OKAY. SO I MADE SOME SUGGESTIONS. THE OTHER THING WE SEEM TO BE OUT OF COMPLIANCE WITH IS OUR OUTREACH. WE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE AN 11 MEMBER BOARD. SHORTLY AFTER I JOINED THE BOARD, IN 2020, WE STARTED LOSING MEMBERS. I AM NOT SURE WE HAVE EVER BEEN AN 11 MEMBER BOARD SINCE THEN. WE HAVE NOT BEEN REPLACING MEMBERS AS OUR GUIDELINES REQUIRE US TO DO, AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. IN FACT, I REALLY DON'T REMEMBER EVER HAVING A DISCUSSION ABOUT RECRUITING NEW BOARD MEMBERS TO BRING US INTO COMPLIANCE WITH THESE REGULATIONS. >> YES, ON THE WEBSITE, AT LEAST IN THE PAST, WE HAVE HAD GENERIC APPEALS TO THE PUBLIC TO SHOW THEIR INTEREST IN APPLYING . I AM NOT SURE WHAT ELSE WE ARE SUPPOSED TO DO . IF ANYBODY WANTS TO FORM A TASK FORCE TO DO IT, THAT WOULD BE GREAT. I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY, LATELY, HAS IN MIND OTHER INDIVIDUALS WHO EXPRESS INTEREST IN JOINING THE BOARD. >> I DON'T, PERSONALLY, IF I HAVE A FRIEND OR SOMEBODY I KNOW THAT IS INTERESTED IN HISTORY, I SUGGEST -- I MENTION THE HISTORICAL BOARD TO THEM . AS FAR AS AN ACTIVE RECRUITMENT , MIKE GO INTO BUSINESSES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, NO, I DON'T DO THAT. I DO MENTION IT TO FRIENDS AND ACQUAINTANCES AND ALL OF THAT. I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE WE CAN REALLY DO , BESIDES PUSH IT ON THE WEBSITE AND SOCIAL MEDIA PLATFORMS. >> THE OTHER THING, TOO, IF I RECALL, WITHIN EACH DISTRICT, THERE IS A NUMBER THAT EACH DISTRICT HAS BASED ON POPULATION, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. THERE'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE CERTAIN DISTRICTS THAT THERE IS ROOM FOR AN ADDITIONAL MEMBER. IN OTHER DISTRICTS, THERE MAY NOT BE. IT IS SOMETHING TO CONSIDER. BEFORE WE JUMP INTO THE OUTREACH, I WOULD LIKE TO GO BACK TO THE TRAINING PIECE. I DON'T THINK WE WERE REALLY FINISHED WITH THAT. I AM ALL FOR EDUCATION. I WOULD BE HAPPY TO ATTEND ANY TRAINING THAT WOULD BE EITHER REQUIRED, OR EVEN SUGGESTED THAT WE ATTEND. IS THAT SOMETHING , BETH, THAT YOU CAN FIND A SOURCE FOR US THAT WE SHOULD BE LOOKING DOWN THIS PATH TO TAKE THESE CLASSES? SHOULD WE REACH OUT TO SOME OTHER ORGANIZATION TO SEE, MAYBE TALK TO -- I THINK ALL OF US ARE PRO-EDUCATION. I THINK [01:05:10] THE MORE KNOWLEDGEABLE WE ARE, THE BETTER WE ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO ON THIS BOARD. I AGREE. WITH THAT WHOLEHEARTEDLY. IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN JUST STEER US THE RIGHT WAY? >> I CAN CERTAINLY LOOK FOR ORGANIZATIONS THAT MAY BE YOU CAN REACH OUT TO WARN -- REACH OUT AND JOIN, OR FOLLOW ON FACEBOOK . I DON'T HAVE MY PHONE I HERE, BUT THERE ARE SEVERAL GROUPS YOU CAN FOLLOW AT THE STATE LEVEL THAT CERTAINLY PUT OUT INFORMATION THROUGH LINKEDIN, FACEBOOK. IF YOU GIVE ME TOPICS, SPECIFICALLY, I CAN TRY AM OKAY. OBVIOUSLY, IF YOU RUN INTO TRAINING YOU WOULD LIKE, PLEASE BRING THAT INFORMATION BACK TO ME. >> I THINK IT WOULD BE GREAT IF THERE WAS, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING WE COULD -- A CLASS WE COULD TAKE THAT WAS STRUCTURED . WE CAN JUST HAVE A WEBINAR, THAT KIND OF THING. AND IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE AT THE COUNTY LEVEL. IT CAN BE AT THE STATE LEVEL. ANYTHING TO DO WITH HISTORIC PRESERVATION THAT WE COULD, AT A CERTAIN DATE AND TIME. JUST RANDOMLY CHECKING IT OUT, THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN IN MY SCHEDULE. >> CERTAINLY NOT WHAT I WAS PROPOSING. I AM PROPOSING WE HAVE A BUDGET AND A PLAN TO MOVE FORWARD. SOMETHING WE REMEMBER SO WE DON'T LOSE OUR HISTORICAL MEMORY, AS HAS HAPPENED OVER THE LAST 30 YEARS OF THIS BOARD AND ITS PREDECESSOR BOARD FOR THE HISTORICAL COMMISSION. >> THAT IS GOOD TO KEEP IT IN MIND, BUT WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH PARTICULARS TO SAY THIS MUCH IN ADVANCE SHOULD BE ALLOCATED TO THIS TRAINING. BUT WE DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH IT COSTS. WE DON'T KNOW -- >> LET'S JUST SAY WE ARE ALL IN FAVOR OF TRAINING . BETH, IF YOU CAN JUST GIVE US SOME SOME -- SOME SUGGESTIONS, THAT COULD BE GOOD FOR THE NEXT MEETING. >> I KNOW ABOUT EIGHT OR NINE YEARS AGO, SOME OF THE BOARD MEMBERS PROPOSED THAT A COUPLE OF US, INCLUDINGME, YOU KNOW, SHOULD TAKE CERTAIN TRAINING THAT THEY BE CAME -- BECAME AWARE OF AT THAT TIME. NOBODY, INCLUDING THE ADVISER AT THAT TIME, KNEW HOW WE COULD PROCESS VOUCHERS, OR WHATEVER . IT INVOLVES TRAVEL. IT WAS MIDSTATE, OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. IT CAME UP AGAINST, AS USUAL, THE DETAILS THAT WE DIDN'T KNOW HOW TO PROCEED. >> NOW, WITH TECHNOLOGY, FAST-FORWARD, THERE ARE SO MANY WEBINARS WE CAN ZOOM INTO THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO GO ANYWHERE. >> WRITES. >> IT MAKES IT SO MUCH EASIER. >> USUALLY STILL A FEE. WE DON'T KNOW , GIVEN THE INDIVIDUAL WEBINARS AVAILABLE, WHAT THOSE FEES WOULD BE. THEY CERTAINLY VARY. CONSIDERABLY SOMETIMES. >> THAT'S WHY WE SPECIFY A BUDGET. >> IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S PUTTING THE CART BEFORE THE HORSE RIGHT NOW. >> I WILL DO MY BEST TO RESEARCH SOME TRAINING OPPORTUNITIES FOR YOU, AND COME BACK WITH THAT AT THE NEXT MEETING. I HAVE ONE TO TALK ABOUT IN THE STAFF COMMENTS LATER ON TONIGHT. AS FAR AS OUTREACH FOR MEMBERS, I WILL DO A POWERPOINT NEXT TIME WITH THE MAP SHOWING WHERE WE NEED MEMBERSHIP. AGAIN, PUT A PLEA OUT. THIS BOARD IS SUPPOSED TO HAVE MEMBERS THAT ARE -- HAVE ARCHITECTURAL BACKGROUND, AS WELL AS JUST GENERAL HISTORIC ENTHUSIASTS . >> ONE WITH A CONSTRUCTION BACKGROUND. >> OUR COUNTY BUILDING OFFICIAL SERVES SOMEWHAT IN THAT CAPACITY. IF WE WERE TO EVER BE AT THE POINT WHERE YOU WOULD BE EVALUATING THE CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS, HE WOULD PROBABLY ASSIST AT THAT POINT. JUST DOING THE MARKER WORK YOU ARE ALL DOING, YOU DON'T NEED HIM FOR THAT. >> OKAY. >> DOESN'T -- HAVE SOME FORCES AVAILABLE IN REGARDS TO HISTORIC GROUPS AND RESEARCH AND EVERYTHING? >> I DON'T KNOW, BUT I WOULD BE HAPPY TO CHECK INTO IT FOR [01:10:01] YOU. >> OKAY, I WILL CHECK INTO IT AS WELL. TOOK A CLASS A FEW YEARS BACK . I WILL LOOK INTO THAT AS WELL. >> CAN WE JUST SAY THIS IS A DISCUSSION, OR CAN WE MOVE THAT WE MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ALLOCATE A CERTAIN AMOUNT . WE CAN THROW A DOLLAR AMOUNT OUT THERE RIGHT NOW OUT OF OUR $5000 BUDGET, SAYING FOR EDUCATIONAL PURPOSES. SAVE $500. AND THEN SHOULD WE NEED TO CHANGE IT DOWN THE ROAD, WE CAN INCREASE IT OR DECREASE IT AS WE FIND WE NEED IT. >> SET A CONTINGENCY CATEGORY. >> RIGHT. IS THAT A MOTION? OR IS THAT JUST PART OF THE DISCUSSION WE ARE AGREEING TO THAT? >> THAT CAN BE A MOTION WE ALL CAN MAKE, IF YOU WANT TO TAKE THE SUGGESTIONS MADE OR COME UP WITH YOUR OWN . IF YOU WANT TO BREAK IT DOWN A CERTAIN WAY. JUST A FLAT NUMBER. IF YOU WANT TO AMEND IT, YOU CAN DO THAT LATER ON. >> KNOWING HOW MANY MARKERS WE HAVE, HOW MANY WE ARE TRYING TO MOVE THROUGH. I WANT TO KEEP THAT, I WOULD SAY, HOPEFULLY , WE ARE ALLOCATING THE FUNDS TO THE CONCRETE PIECES OF WHAT THIS BOARD IS ABOUT . I LOVE THE IDEA OF EDUCATION. I WOULD HATE FOR US TO NOT HAVE THE FUNDS. I WOULD SAY, YOU KNOW, $500 IS SUCH A SMALL AMOUNT OUT OF THE 5000. AT LEAST IT GIVES US, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING TO START WITH. WITHOUT REALLY TAPPING THAT BUDGET THAT WE NEED FOR THE MARKERS. >> ARE YOU AND JERRY SUGGESTING A MOTION THAT WE REJECT THE IDEA OF HAVING THE BUDGET TO OPERATE BY? >> NO , WE ARE SUPPOSED TO HAVE A TENTATIVE BUDGET. I THINK IT IS PART OF WHAT OUR SITUATION IS. IT'S JUST BEEN A LITTLE WOBBLY LATELY. I THINK THE IDEA OF HAVING THE BUDGET CATEGORY ON A CONTINGENCY BASIS IS THE ONLY WORKABLE THING WE'VE GOT RIGHT NOW. WHICH WE COULD REASONABLY EXPECT TO GET RESULTS FOR. OUTREACH, I FIND, IS A LITTLE TOO FUZZY TO BE WELL-DEFINED. CERTAINLY, TRYING TO ATTRACT THE PUBLIC ATTENTION , INVOLVE OTHER BODIES IN THE COUNTY AND IN OUR WORK , IT'S CERTAINLY A GOOD IDEA. THOSE ARE VERY GENERAL CONCEPTS. >> THEY WERE INTENDED TO BE GENERAL TO INITIATE A DISCUSSION . HOW MANY OF YOU EVER ATTEND ANY GROUP MEETINGS? SAY A HISTORICAL SOCIETY OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? ANYBODY? >> I CO-CHAIR . >> IS THAT A YES? >> YES. WE ARE ALL ACTIVELY INVOLVED IF THAT'S WHAT YOUR QUESTION IS. >> WHAT WOULD MITIGATE AGAINST MAKING AN ANNOUNCEMENT? WE ARE LOOKING FOR MEMBERS. HERE ARE THE OPPORTUNITIES. HERE'S WHAT YOU CAN PARTICIPATE IN. HERE'S WHY IT'S SO IMPORTANT. >> I THINK IT GOES BACK TO WHAT BETH SAYS SHE'S GOING TO WITHDRAW WITH REGARDS TO THE DISTANCE. IS EVERY DISTRICT AVAILABLE FOR A PERSON FOR THE COMMISSION AT THIS TIME? >> RIGHT NOW, WITH CARLA HAVING -- LET'S SEE, DISTRICT TWO IS VACANT. CARLA WAS IN DISTRICT 3. THOSE ARE TWO THAT ARE AVAILABLE. DISTRICT THREE IS THE ORANGE PARK AREA. DISTRICT TWO IS TOWARDS OAKLEY. LANDING UP TO OAKLEY. WE CAN HAVE UP TO THREE IN ANYONE DISTRICT. >> I DID NOT HEAR THAT TOO WELL . WHAT DISTRICTS ARE VACANT RIGHT NOW? >> DISTRICT TWO, WHICH IS ORANGE PARK. I'M SORRY, DISTRICT TWO, WHICH IS OAK LEAF . LANDING UP TO OAK LEAF. DISTRICT THREE, WHICH IS OAK PARK. >> THAT'S WHERE WE NEED TO HAVE MORE APPLICANTS COMING FROM. >> WE HAVE ZERO IN THOSE TWO DISTRICTS? >> YES. >> OKAY, ZERO. >> HOW MANY AT-LARGE ARE WE ARE ALLOWED AND HOW MANY DO WE [01:15:04] HAVE? >> THERE ARE SIX AT-LARGE POSITIONS. TWO OF THOSE ARE VACANT. >> TWO ARE VACANT? >> YES, YOU ARE SEVEN . THERE ARE FOUR POSITIONS OPEN. >> IF WE HAD SOMEBODY ELSE FRONT DISTRICTS WE HAVE ALREADY FILLED THEY CAN FILL IN AT-LARGE POSITION, CORRECT? >> THAT'S CORRECT. WE CANNOT HAVE ANY MORE THAN THREE IN THE ONE DISTRICT . THAT'S THE MAP THAT HAS TO BE FIGURED OUT. I THINK DISTRICT 5, WE CANNOT HAVE ANY MEMBERS FROM. DISTRICT 5 IS THE LAKE AS BARRY DOWN TO GREEN COVE SPRINGS ON THE WAY TO THE SOUTH. >> WHAT ABOUT DISTRICT FOUR? IS THERE ROOM FOR ANOTHR APPLICANT? >> DISTRICT 4, WE COULD HAVE ANOTHER MEMBER FROM THAT DISTRICT. THAT'S GOING TO BE KEYSTONE ALL THE WAY UP. >> A PERSONAL THING. I COULD, NEXT TIME I AM MEETING WITH THE CITIZENS ADVISORY COMMITTEE , THEY ARE VERY AMBITIOUS ABOUT SOME SUBJECTS. THERE MIGHT BE SOME SORT OF PERSON WITH A QUALIFIED ARCHITECTURAL BACKGROUND, AND SO FORTH, WHO COULD BE PERSUADED TO JOIN THIS GROUP. I CAN BRING THAT UP TO HIM. >> I DON'T KNOW IF HAS TALKED IT UP IN HER PENNEY FARMS HISTORICAL SOCIETY OR NOT , BUT I COULD REMIND HER AGAIN TO BEAT THE BUSHES FOR ANYBODY WHO MIGHT BE AVAILABLE IF THEY QUALIFY AS AN AT-LARGE PERSON, I GUESS. >> FOR THE NEXT AGENDA, THE NEXT MEETING, I WILL HAVE A HANDOUT WITH A MAP, AND A LIST OF WHICH DISTRICTS WE WOULD BE LOOKING FOR SO YOU CAN HAVE THAT FOR REFERENCE. DISTRICT 5 WOULD INCLUDE PENNEY FARMS. THAT'S THE ONE THAT IS FULL. >> PERIODICALLY, OUR ADVISER, SUCH AS YOURSELF, HAS GIVEN US A HEADS UP. THESE ARE FALLING VACANT. LET'S LOOK INTO FILLING THEM AGAIN. THERE HAS BEEN A DRYING UP OF EAGER BEAVERS >> WHAT ABOUT PUTTING SMALL NOTICE IN THE CLAY TODAY NEWSPAPER? >> WHAT? >> WHEN IS MY COMMISSION UP? IS THAT SOMETHING YOU HAVE ON SOMEWHERE? >> JULY 1ST, 2026 IS YOUR TERM . >> NEXT YEAR? THIS YEAR? >> JULY 1ST, 2026. >> OKAY. >> IN MIND, CAN YOU SEE WHEN MINE IS? >> YOU JUST RENEWED IN 2023, SO YOU GO UNTIL JANUARY 23RD, 2028. >> OKAY. >> THE ONES CLOSE TO EXPIRING, MAUREEN, YOU ARE EXPIRING JULY 1ST, 2025. BILLY, YOU ALSO -- HE WAS PARTIALLY FILLING ONE. >> OH, OKAY. >> ALL RIGHT. >> ANY MOTIONS OR ANY OTHER KINDS OF PROPOSALS ON THIS? >> ROUGHLY HOW MUCH WOULD TWO TWO-SIDED MARKERS COST US? >> A DOUBLE-SDED MARKER IS 2920. YOU ARE LOOKING AT 5840, IF I DID THE MATH RIGHT QUICKLY. >> YEP. >> OKAY, I SAY WE SET ASIDE 5844 TWO MARKERS FOR THIS YEAR. THEN USE THE REST AS A GENERAL FUND FOR EDUCATION AND OUTREACH , IF NEEDED, TO BE VOTED ON BY THIS COMMISSION. >> I WILL SECOND THAT'S. >> THAT'S MY MOTION FOR THE BUDGET FOR THE YEAR. >> OKAY, SO, -- >> DO WE HAVE TO HAVE A DISCUSSION? >> LET'S REPEAT WHAT THE MOTION IS. >> I MAKE A MOTION WE SET ASIDE $5840 FOR TWO TWO-SIDED [01:20:01] MARKERS. AND THEN THE REST OF THE MONEY BE SPLIT BETWEEN OUTREACH AND EDUCATION . THOSE EXPENDITURES WOULD HAVE TO COME BEFORE US , AND IT BE VOTED ON. >> THE MARKERS. >> OF COURSE, THE MARKERS. I AM JUST SAYING TO TRY TO GET SOME SORT OF OUTLINE AND GET US DONE. I THINK THIS IS THE EASIEST WAY TO DO IT. >> YES. >> I SECOND THAT MOTION. >> OKAY. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION OF IT? I GUESS WE COULD INSERT THE IDEA OF CONTINGENCY THERE, TOO. WE NEED TO FIND A SUITABLE AMOUNT OF MONEY TO EXPAND ON OUR EDUCATION AND OUTREACH. I GUESS WE COULD PUT IT TOWARDS THE NEXT SIGN, RIGHT? >> YEAH. IT'S ADJUSTABLE AT OUR WILL, AS WE VOTE. JUST AS A GENERAL GUIDELINE, TO MOVE FORWARD, THAT'S WHAT I AM MAKING THE MOTION OF. >> IT'S ALSO ADJUSTABLE IN TERMS OF BRINGING ANOTHER PARTNERS. SO IT MIGHT BE ORANGE PARK, OR IT MIGHT BE GREEN COVE SPRINGS. IT MIGHT BE A CHURCH GROUP. MANY DIFFERENT TYPES OF GROUPS HAVE PARTNERED WITH THIS OUTFIT TO FUND THE MARKERS LATELY. >> I AM JUST SAYING, IF WE HAVE TO FUND TWO FULL MARKERS, YOU KNOW, OF COURSE, IF WE HAVE A CHURCH THAT ONCE A MARKER, WE CAN GO HALVES WITH IT TO GET IT DONE. I AM JUST SAYING, FOR DISCUSSION PURPOSES, TO GET US MOVING FORWARD, THAT'S THE MOTION I MAKE. >> OKAY, IF I CAN BE TRANSCRIBED ACCURATELY, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? ALL RIGHT. WE WILL TAKE A VOTE. THOSE IN FAVOR OF ADOPTING THE MOTION PROPOSED BY BILLY? ANY OPPOSED? GOOD. THAT PASSES. BY THE WAY, POINT OF INFORMATION , THERE WAS A PROBLEM NOT LONG AGO , RAISED ABOUT WHETHER WE COULD ALLOCATE FUNDS FOR INCORPORATED AREA SIGNS. BUT THAT SEEMS TO HAVE RECEDED A BIT BECAUSE THE COUNTY DECIDED TO HELP MORE ACTIVELY . ANY IDEA OF ASSESSING WHAT THEIR FUTURE ATTITUDE IS IN REGARDS TO THOSE THINGS? >> THE COUNTY MANAGERS HAD DISCUSSIONS WITH MUNICIPALITIES. THE CITY MANAGER AND KEYSTONE HEIGHTS. SUPPORTIVE OF HAVING THE COUNTY WORK ON THESE MARKERS. >> THEY ARE MORE WILLING TO ENTERTAIN THESE THINGS GOING FORWARD , I GUESS? >> YES, OBVIOUSLY THERE'S THE ARRANGEMENT OF AN AGREEMENT. >> OKAY, GOOD TO HEAR. OKAY, I [New Business] GUESS THIS BRINGS US TO NEW BUSINESS. NOMINATING COMMITTEE FOR OFFICERS. IT RECITES THE FACT THAT WE ARE SUPPOSED TO HAVE A NOMINATED COMMITTEE NO LATER THAN THE APRIL MEETING. THAT CANNOT BE DONE BECAUSE TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES CAUSED US TO BE DISSOLVED THAT DAY. IT IS PROPOSED NOW THAT WE PROCEED WITH NOMINATING A COMMITTEE HERE , FORMED BY, I GUESS, A COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE, WE MIGHT CALL IT. UNLESS, OF COURSE, ANYBODY FROM THE PUBLIC WHO WANTS TO SPEAK UP . THERE AREN'T ANY. WHEN I LOOKED OVER THE SUPPLEMENTARY MATERIAL ON OUR CHARTER, I NOTICED THERE WAS THIS WORDING ABOUT WHO CAN BE ON OUR BOARD. ONE THING SEEMS TO SAY THAT -- OKAY. SECTION 12.7, SUB FOUR. IT SAID , NO MEMBER CAN HOLD OFFICE ON THE BOARD WHO HAS A PUBLIC POSITION OR OFFICE IN ANY MUNICIPAL GOVERNMENT IN THE COUNTY. IS THAT JUST MUNICIPAL [01:25:05] OFFICES THAT ARE EXCLUDED? >> MY UNDERSTANDING, WE RESOLVED THAT WORKS >> WE HAVE NOT DONE THE CHANGE TO RESOLVE THAT. THAT HAS NOT BEEN HIGH PRIORITY TO GET RESOLVED. IT ALSO SAYS THE MEMBERS ARE TO BE FROM -- SOMEWHERE IT SAYS A RESIDENT OF THE COUNTY. SOMEWHERE THERE IS LANGUAGE ABOUT THE COMPOSITION. ONE FROM EACH COMMISSIONERS DISTRICT. ATE AT LARGE. APPOINTED BY THE BOARD FROM THE UNINCORPORATED AREA OF THE COUNTY. OBVIOUSLY NOT EVERYONE HERE LIVES IN THE UNINCORPORATED PART OF THE COUNTY. WE ARE JUST HAPPY TO HAVE PEOPLE ON THE BOARD, I GUESS. >> I KNOW, AT LEAST, ONE PREVIOUS MEMBER OF THE BOARD WAS ALSO A COUNTY EMPLOYEE. THAT'S FINE WITH ME. >> WE HAVE NO RULE AGAINST THAT . THAT WAS CHECKED BEFORE BILLY GOULD JOINED. WE HAVE NO RULE AGAINST A COUNTY -- THAT WAS CHECKED. >> ALL RIGHT. >> WE DO HAVE SOME ACTUAL RULES . OFFICER TERM SHALL BE ONE YEAR COMMENCING ON JULY 1ST. NO OFFICER WILL BE ELECTED WHOSE BOARD TERM IS LESS THAN ONE YEAR REMAINIG. EVERYONE IS OKAY ON THAT ASPECT. BILLY AND MAUREEN HAVE A FULL YEAR. OFFICERS SHALL NOT SERVE MORE THAN TWO CONSECUTIVE TERMS. >> OKAY. OH, THE ONE OTHER THING IS , IF THE BOARD FINDS IT ADVISABLE TO AMEND ITS OWN BYLAWS, OR GET THEM AMENDED, BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE -- IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE IT, IT IS CLEAR THAT THE TRANSFER OF OUR MEETINGS TO THIS VENUE , WITH ADVANCED EQUIPMEN, WHICH APPARENTLY IS TO BE REQUIRED FROM NOW ON , THERE REALLY IS NOTHING FOR A SECRETARY TO DO. HOW WOULD WE GO ABOUT ELIMINATING THAT OFFICE? >> YOU CAN JUST CHOOSE NOT TO SELECT A SECRETARY. WE HAVE A SECRETARY. YOU CAN JUST OPT TO HAVE A CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR. >> OH, SO WE NOMINATE YOU? >> NO. >> I'M AN EMPLOYEE OF THE CLERK, I'M NOT PART OF THE BOARD. >> THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. THE FUNCTIONS OF THE SECRETARY HAVE BEEN -- >> WE JUST WOULDN'T VOTE. WE WOULDN'T HAVE A VOTE FOR THE SECRETARY POSITION. WE WOULD ONLY FILL THE CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR. >> IT WOULD SEEM TO BE MORE APPROPRIATE TO ELIMINATE THAT OFFICE ENTIRELY. IT IS SOLELY TO HAVE AN OFFICE THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO. >> WE WILL CERTAINLY CONSIDER THAT WHEN WE NEED TO MAKE A CHANGE. WE WILL CERTAINLY CONSIDER REMOVING THAT. >> I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT DONE THEN , IF WE ARE GOING TO BE OPERATING FROM NOW ON UNDER THIS CONDITION. WE DON'T NEED A SECRETARY. IN FACT, A SECRETARY CAN'T DO ANYTHING. >> AT THIS POINT CAN WE NOMINATE SOMEONE? ARE WE ALLOWED TO NOMINATE A PERSON? LIKE ANYONE ON THE COMMISSION? >> YES, WE ARE COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE KNOW. >> OKAY, I NOMINATE BILLY GOULD TO BE CHAIRPERSON . >> SECOND. >> OKAY. SHOULD WE DO THIS SERIALLY AS THEY ARE NOMINATED, OR SHOULD WE WAIT UNTIL WE GET A SLATE AND VOTE ON THAT? USUALLY WE GET A SLATE FILLED UP, THEN YOU VOTE ON THAT. >> THE WAY THE CODE SAYS IS YOU ARE TO ESTABLISH A SLATE , AND THEN VOTE ON THAT IN JUNE. >> GOOD, OKAY. >> YOU CAN ALSO HAVE ADDITIONAL NOMINATIONS AT THE JUNE MEETING, BECAUSE OF COURSE, MELISSA IS NOT HERE. MAYBE THEY WOULD LIKE TO NOMINATE EACH OTHER, OR SELF NOMINATE. WENATI JUNE , TOO, IF WE HAVE MORE. >> ANY OTHER PEOPLE INTERESTED , OR INTERESTED TO BE NOMINATED FOR THE POSITION THAT BILLY WAS JUST NOMINATED FOR? OKAY. THERE IS ONE. WE'VE GOT THE VICE CHAIR. >> MR. CHAIR, I THINK IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT TO MAYBE ASK IF THAT PERSON IS WILLING TO SERVE IN THAT CAPACITY. >> OH, WELL, YES. FROM HIS APPEARANCE, IT SEEMED HE WAS WILLING. OKAY. >> HE DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING. [01:30:08] >> IN THE PAST THERE HAVE BEEN NOMINATIONS, AND THE CANDIDATE DID NOT WANT TO SERVE. I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WAS COVERED. >> OKAY. ALL RIGHT. VICE CHAIR NOMINATIONS. WELL, I COULD NOMINATE DEIRDRE . >> ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. NO, YOU HAVE TO DO THAT. >> OKAY. >> ARE YOU RECEPTIVE -- WRIST -- >> OKAY, GOOD, I GUESS WE HAVE OUR SLATE. WHAT? >> DO WE VOTE ON IT? >> THAT COMES NEXT. >> OH YOU VOTE IN JUNE? >> WE VOTE IN JUNE? >> WE CREATE THE SLATE NOW, THE FINAL VOTE WOULD BE IN JUNE? >> THE VOTE WOULD BE IN JUNE. HAVE YOU BEEN VICE CHAIR FOR TWO YEARS? TWO SESSIONS NOW, OR JUST ONE? >> JUST ONE. >> I THINK IT IS JUST ONE. >> JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE. >> ADDITIONAL NOMINATIONS CAN STILL BE MADE. THAT IS NOT THE SLATE. WE WOULD BE VOTING ON THE SLATE TODAY. WHICH CAN BE ADDED TO, IN JUNE, IF ANYBODY ELSE SHOWS INTEREST OR WHATEVER. I WOULD CALL FOR A VOTE ON THE SLATE , WHETHER THE BOARD APPROVES THE SLATE THAT IT ALREADY APPROVED FOR THE OFFICERS NOMINATED. I WILL ASK IF THERE IS A GENERAL APPROVAL FOR THE SLATE THAT WE HAVE JUST CREATED, WHICH , OF COURSE, CAN BE AMENDED OR ADDED TO NEXT MONTH. OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR OF IT? ANY DON'T WANT IT? OKAY, GOOD. THAT IS OUR SLATE. PUBLIC COMMENT. APPARENTLY NOT MUCH THERE. BOARD MEMBERS. >> HAVE WE COMPLETED THE AGENDA? >> KNOW. >> WELL, THERE IS A BOARD MEMBER'S COMMENTS. >> AGENDA ITEM OF THE PRESERVATION BOARD. WE WANT GOING TO LOOK AT ANYTHING? OF THE CODE GOVERNING? [Staff Comments] >> PUBLIC COMMENTS. THERE ARE NONE. STAFF COMMENTS. ACTUALLY, THE STAFF MIGHT HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY. >> YES, SIR. MAY IS WHEN THE COUNTRY AND COUNTIES CELEBRATE NATIONAL HISTORIC PRESERVATION MONTH, HISTORIC PRESERVTION MONTH IN THE COUNTY. THE COUNTY BOARD WILL HAVE A PROCLAMATION AT THEIR MAY 14TH MEETING . I THINK I ALSO SENT AN EMAIL OUT TO YOU ABOUT THIS. THEY WOULD LOVE TO HAVE YOU COME AND STAND AND BE THERE WHILE THE PROCLAMATION IS BEING READ. IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO COME, PLEASE LET ME KNOW. I BELIEVE, MAUREEN, YOU SAID YOU COULD BE THERE. >> IS. >> THANK YOU. >> THE MEETING STARTS AT 4:00. IT SHOULD NOT BE LONG AFTER THAT. IF YOU CAN ATTEND, PLEASE LET ME KNOW. THEY LIKE TO HAVE YOUR NAMES. >> AND THAT'S -- >> IN THIS ROOM, YES. >> I WILL BE ABLE TO MAKE A. >> OKAY. >> COUNTY WHAT? >> CLAY COUNTY HISTORIC MONTH PROCLAMATION. >> THAT WILL BE WHERE EXACTLY? >> HERE. AT THE NEXT BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS MEETING. >> OKAY, VERY GOOD. >> 4:30? >> 4:00. >> OH, SHOOT. >> OKAY. ANY OTHER? >> YES, THE OTHER ITEM I HAVE IS ARCHIVES OFFICE. THE OFFICE HAS MADE ARRANGEMENTS AND IS SPONSORING, BASICALLY, A CRYPT TRAINING, WHICH WE TALKED ABOUT THIS A WHILE AGO. CEMETERY RESOURCE PROTECTION TRAINING. IT'S GOING TO BE ON FRIDAY, MAY 31ST , FROM 9:00 TO 3:00 . THIS IS TO LEARN ABOUT CEMETERY CARE, PROTECTION MANAGING CEMETERY LANDSCAPES, LAWS AND REGULATIONS. CONSERVING HEADSTONES AND MARKERS. HANDS-ON CLEANING WITH BIOLOGICAL SOLUTION. I HAVE THE ADDRESS IF YOU ARE INTERESTED [01:35:03] IN TAKING THIS TRAINING. >> 30TH? OR 31ST? >> 31ST. FRIDAY, MAY 31ST FROM 9:00 TO 3:00. IT'S GOING TO BE AT THE CLAY COUNTY HISTORIC COURTHOUSE AND MOUNT ALL OF CEMETERY. TO REGISTER, YOU WOULD GO TO TINUY.CC/CRPT531. I WILL SEND THIS OUT. I'M DOING IT FOR THE RECORD. THAT'S HOW YOU CAN REGISTER OR REACH OUT TO THE ARCHIVES OFFICE, OR YOU CAN CONTACT ME AND I WILL GET YOU IN TOUCH WITH THEM. >> THAT IS ALL I HAVE. >> HAS THE TOURISM ARM OF THE COUNTY GOVERNMENT SHARED ANY MORE RECENT INFORMATION WITH YOU ALL ABOUT THE DEPARTURE TRAIL PROJECT? >> THEY HAD AN INTRODUCTION TO THE COUNTY'S TRAIL . IT WAS GOING TO BE AT THE ECO-FEST, WHICH WAS ON BLACK CREEK ON EARTH DAY LAST MONTH IN APRIL. I MENTIONED THAT AT OUR LAST MEETING QUICKLY BEFORE YOU ALL RAN OUT THE DOOR. I DID NOT ATTEND IT, BUT THEY DID HAVE INFORMATION THERE. WE WILL JUST [Board Member's Comments] KEEP GOING WITH THAT PROJECT. >> OKAY. >> WE HAVE BEEN WORKING ON IT FOR A FEW MONTHS NOW. WE WILL KEEP GOING. >> OKAY. BOARD MEMBER COMMENTS? >> I HAVE SOMETHING. WITH REGARDS TO THE MIDDLEBURG COLORED SCHOOL AND RAISING MONEY , OR DONATING MONEY FOR THE PRESERVATION OF THE PARTICULAR BUILDING , I JUST WANT TO STATE THAT THE TERMITE DAMAGE IS IN A BUILDING -- IT'S A GAME CHANGER. I HAVE SEEN TWO OTHER BUILDINGS THAT HAVE BEEN TORN DOWN BECAUSE OF TERMITE DAMAGE THAT WERE HISTORIC. BOTH HAD TERMITE DAMAGE. THEY WERE USED AS FIRE DEPARTMENT TRAINING. THEY WOULD SET IT ON FIRE AND THAT WAS ABOUT. BEFORE WE DISCUSS , OR EVEN ENTERTAINING THE IDEA OF FUNDS COMING OUT OF OUR ACCOUNT TO GO TOWARDS THE BUILDING, WE NEED TO REALLY THINK ABOUT IT , BECAUSE THE TERMITE DAMAGE . >> THAT'S WHY A PROFESSIONAL TEAMS OF ARCHITECTS, ENGINEERS AND HISTORIANS CAME TO ASSESS THAT BUILDING. THERE WERE SIX, SEVEN, EIGHT CRAWLING ALL OVER THE BUILDING FROM THE ROOF. AND TAKING DOZENS AND DOZENS OF PICTURES AND MEASUREMENTS. THEY GAVE THEIR ASSESSMENT. THEY ARE CONVERSANT WITH THINGS LIKE TERMITE DAMAGE AND WOULD ROT. THE POSSIBILITIES THAT THERE MIGHT BE MORE EXTENSIVE DAMAGE ONCE THEY GET INTO THE STRUCTURE OF THE BUILDING. BUT THERE'S NO SUGGESTION . REALLY NO POSSIBILITY THAT THIS BOARD WOULD BE ASKED TO PUT ANY MONEY INTO THE PRESERVATION OF THAT SCHOOLHOUSE. IT IS ENTIRELY SEPARATE. >> SHE IS GOING TO GET GRANT MONEY. >> YEAH. >> WELL, THE COUNTY WILL. >> FAR BEYOND ANY BUDGET WE ARE OVER. >> OF COURSE. >> ALL RIGHT, ANY OTHER BOARD MEMBER COMMENTS? >> I'VE GOT ONE FOR BETH. I REACHED OUT TO YOU ABOUT GETTING GEORGE IN HER TO TALK TO US ABOUT THE COMMUNITY DONATING. DO WE HAVE AN UPDATE ON WHEN THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN? >> THEY WERE WORKING ON AN ORDINANCE FOR SPONSORSHIP OPPORTUNITIES. I AM NOT SURE WHERE THAT IS AT THIS POINT. >> BUT WHEN HE AND I TALKED ABOUT IT, THERE MAY BE SOME WAY TO DO THIS SIMILAR TO ANIMAL CONTROL, WHERE YOU CAN DONATE FOR CERTAIN THINGS IN ANIMAL CONTROL. IT'S IN THE WORKS. IT IS NEW TERRITORY THEY ARE WORKING ON. I AM SURE WE CAN GET HIM TO COME AND GIVE INFORMATION. >> OKAY. >> THAT'S ALL I HAVE. >> I HAVE NO COMMENTS. [01:40:01] >> * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.