[Call to Order] [00:00:10] [Approval of Minutes] PRESERVATION BOARD WILL COME TO ORDER . WE WILL HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES OF FEBRUARY 1 . >> I HAVE A CORRECTION ON THE MINUTES. >> OKAY. >> ON THE SECOND PAGE OF THE MINUTES, FIRST FULL PARAGRAPH BEFORE THE MASTER SITE FILE. AS OPPOSED TO FORT A NATIONAL SITE FILE. >> THAT IS A TYPO, VERY GOOD. ANY OTHER CORRECTIONS ADJUSTED FOR THE MINUTES AS THEY NOW READ? >> IT SAYS CORRECT ON THE FRONT. >> THERE HAS BEEN TWO -- IS THAT MOTIONS ARE SIMPLY CORRECTIONS? >> THEY ARE SIMPLY CORRECTIONS. >> I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE MINUTES AS AMENDED IN THESE TWO PLACES. >> ISO MOVE . >> SECOND? >> SECOND. >> ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR OF ADOPTING THE FEBRUARY 1ST MINUTES AS AMENDED SAY, AYE. >> AYE . >> ANY OPPOSED? OKAY. THEN THERE ARE THE FLEMING ESTATE MARKER SUBCOMMITTEE MEETING MINUTES. MAYBE THEY SHOULD BE READ. DOES ANYONE HAVE THEM PRINTED UP? >> THEY WERE ATTACHED. >> WELL, THAT MEETING, I THINK, GAVE US A FEW EXTRA ASSIGNMENTS. IT WAS INCONCLUSIVE AND THAT RESPECTS. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY AMENDMENTS OR OBJECTIONS TO THE MINUTES FROM THAT SUBCOMMITTEE, SO FAR. >> AM I TO UNDERSTAND THE COMMITTEE IS CONTINUING TO DO ITS WORK TO MARKET THE SUBCOMMITTEE? >> YES. THAT IS CORRECT. OKAY. I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ACCEPT THESE SUBCOMMITTEE MINUTES AS WRITTEN, SO FAR. MAYBE SOMEONE WHO WAS ON THE COMMITTEE SHOULD MOVE TO HAVE THEM ACCEPTED. >> I MOVE THAT WE HAVE THEM ACCEPTED. >> MR. GOULD WOULD BE A GOOD WITNESS TO THIS. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ABOUT THEM? I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ACCEPT THEM. >> THIS IS FOR THE FLEMING ESTATE MARKER ? >> YES. >> WE ARE STILL DISCUSSING THE TEXT AND EVERYTHING. I BELIEVE SCOTT RITCHIE IS WEIGHING IN ON IT . >> YES, HAS HE BEEN HEARD FROM [00:05:08] WITH ANYONE ELSE? I HAVE NOT RECENTLY. HE CERTAINLY SEEMS TO BE IN POSSESSION OF MORE INFORMATION. I GUESS WE HAVE NOT GOTTEN THE FEEDBACK THE SECOND TIME AROUND. >> ARE WE LOOKING AT TWO POTENTIAL MARKERS THERE? WITH THE FLEMING ESTATE AND THEN THE FLEMING FAMILY PULLED? >> IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING WE WERE ATTEMPTING TO CONSOLIDATE THEM. >> WHAT HAD HAPPENED -- THE SUBCOMMITTEE DETERMINED THAT THE STATE MARKER WOULD BE FOR THE PLANTATION AS A WHOLE , NOT THE SWIMMING POOL. IT REPRESENTS THE FLEMING FAMILY . WE CANNOT FIND A LOT OF EXAMPLES IN AMERICAN HISTORY THAT PUTS HISTORIC MARKERS NEXT TO A SWIMMING POOL. WE DECIDED WE WOULD PUT A MARKER RECOGNIZING THE ENTIRE ESTATE. >> MAKES A LOT OF SENSE TO LOOK AT THE OVERALL CONTRIBUTIONS OF THE FLEMING FAMILY. DEFINITELY. PLUS, THERE IS A -- THE LADY THAT HAD -- THE OWNER JUST SELL IT TO A NEW OWNER. >> I THINK THE PROCESS -- >> THEY REALLY HAD TWO IDEAS. THE OTHER THAT IT WOULD TAKE HIM THE ORIGINAL GREATHOUSE BECAUSE THAT IS THE MAIN PART OF THE STORY OF THE FLEMING ESTATE. WE JUST NEED TO REVISIT THAT, I THINK. >> THE HOUSE IS ALSO A VENUE FOR HAVING MANY GUESS. I READ THERE WAS 15,000 DOCUMENTED GUESTS. AND THAT THE FLEMING HIBERNIA LOCATION. >> IF THERE IS A SINGLE MARKER, WE WOULD HAVE TO RECONFIGURE SOME OF THE LANGUAGE TO TAKE IN THAT HERITAGE, WHICH , OF COURSE , HAD A BIGGER IMPACT. >> IF THE NEW OWNERS IS RECEPTIVE? >> VERY RECEPTIVE. >> THANK YOU. THAT IS ENCOURAGING. OUR NEXT -- >> DID YOU WANT TO SPEAK ABOUT THIS YOURSELF? >> MR. CHAIR ? >> WHAT WE HAVEDONE SO FAR. >> MR. CHAIR? COULD I ASK THAT WE FOLLOW THE AGENDA YOU ARE IN THE MIDDLE OF APPROVING THE MINUTES FOR THE SUBCOMMITTEE AND THEN WE WILL MOVE INTO -- I KNOW YOU'RE EXCITED AND WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT. IT IS ON THE AGENDA. PLEASE, NO VIOLENCE. >> THAT WOULD HELP. >> I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE MINUTES AGAIN. >> I MOVE THAT WE ACCEPT THOSE MINUTES AS THEY NOW STAND. >> SECOND. >> THANK YOU. ALL IN FAVOR OF ADOPTING THEM SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE PER >> AYE. >> ANY OPPOSED? IT IS UNANIMOUS. >> ARE GOING TO HAVE DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT? OUR NEXT SUBCOMMITTEE MEETING IS ON THE 19TH. WE WILL HAVE MORE INFORMATION. >> PUBLIC COMMENTS? THESE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC CAN COMMENT. >> IF THEY WANT TO, THEY CAN BUT THEY HAVE TOPICS ON THE AGENDA TO DISCUSS. WE CAN DIFFER THAT THEN BECAUSE THERE [Old Business] ARE NO OTHER PUBLIC PEOPLE INSIGHT. OLD BUSINESS. THE MIDDLE BIRD -- MIDDLEBURG COLORED SCHOOL . WE WERE [00:10:07] DELIGHTED TO FIND , ABOUT 10 DAYS AGO, WHEN WE WENT TO THE SCHOOLHOUSE THE HISTORIC MIDDLEBURG COLORED SCHOOL IMPROVEMENTS . THE STATE HAD COME IN ALL BY ITSELF AND INSTALLED THIS GREAT BIG SIGN RIGHT NEXT TO THE SCHOOLHOUSE. FOR THOSE OF YOU HAVE NOT BEEN TO THE SCHOOLHOUSE, THERE IS A LITTLE PICTURE OF IT. BELOW ON THE LEFT, HUNTER DOUGLAS PARK, THERE IS A SIGN PUT THE SCHOOLHOUSE SITS IN HUNTER DOUGLAS PARK. FOR MORE THAN TWO YEARS, THE SIGN ON THE RIGHT IS ACTUALLY WHAT EXISTS THERE . THERE IS NO MORE HUNTER DOUGLAS PARK SIGN NOR IS THERE ANY WAY TO RECOGNIZE THAT HERE IS THE PARK. GIVEN THAT THE SCHOOL IS GETTING A LOT MORE ATTENTION AND VISITS FROM SCHOOL KIDS AND HISTORIANS -- THINGS LIKE THAT, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK IF THE COUNTY SIGNED DEPARTMENT COULD CREATE A TEMPORARY SIGN MARKING THE SIGNIFICANT HISTORIC LOCATION OF PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT HAS TOLD ME THAT THEY ARE IN THE PROCESS OF REDESIGNING THEIR SIGNS OR SOMETHING AND THAT IT WILL BE QUITE A LONG TIME . WE CANNOT SPECULATE ABOUT WHEN THEY MIGHT HAVE A SIGN IT BECAUSE THEY ARE SO BUSY WITH NEW PARKS AND RESTORING OTHER PARKS BUT NOT HUNTER DOUGLAS. I WOULD THINK , GIVEN THAT -- I THINK THE PRICE FOR A COUNTY SIGNED IS SOMETHING LIKE $150 . JUST A SMALL SIGN THAT WOULD SAY, HUNTER DOUGLAS PARK. >> >> ASSIGNMENT LIKE THE TYPE THAT GOULD WAS SHOWING US. IT LOOKS SOMETHING LIKE THAT. IT HAS GOT THE CLAY LOGO ON IT. YOU WILL SEE THOSE IF YOU DRIVE DOWN TO 18 AND THEY ARE BEING PUT UP TO REPLACE SOME OF THE OLD BROWN AND WHITE SIGNS AS THEY DISAPPEAR. THAT IS WHAT WE ARE LOOKING FOR SO PEOPLE KNOW THEY ARE ACTUALLY IN A PARK WHEN THEY COME TO THE PARK >> WILL THE SIGN GIVE ANY INFORMATION ABOUT THE SCHOOL'S STORY? >> WE ARE WORKING ON A MARKER. IT IS A SIGN THAT SAYS HUNTER DOUGLAS PARK, YOU ARE IN THE RIGHT PLACE AND HERE IS THE LITTLE SCHOOLHOUSE. THIS SIGN WAS PLACED BY THE STATE OF FLORIDA. >> WHICH ONE? >> RIGHT HERE ON THE MAP. YOU CAN SEE THE SIGN RIGHT UP HERE ON THE SCREEN. >> THAT IS THE COUNTY SEAL. >> THAT IS RIGHT BECAUSE IT IS CLAY COUNTY THIS PROJECT IS SPONSORED BY THE DIVISION OF HISTORICAL RESOURCES AND THE STATE OF FLORIDA. THAT IS THE STATE OF FLORIDA SIGN SAY -- DATING WE HAVE AN IMPORTANT PROJECT. CLAY SHOULD HAVE A SIGN THAT SAYS YOU ARE IN THE PLACE WHERE THIS LITTLE SCHOOLHOUSE IS BECAUSE THE COUNTY HAS NEVER INCLUDED THAT SITE ON ANY OF ITS PARK MAPS, ET CETERA. >> IS THIS THE SIGN THAT WILL REMAIN THERE ? >> THAT PROJECT IS IN FORCE. WE ARE AT STAGE ONE IN THE GRANT PROCESS . WHERE FIRST GRANT IS TO SEE IF THERE IS STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY OF THE BUILDING. THE SECOND GRANT WOULD BE TO SEE WHAT PLAN WE CAN MAKE GOING FORWARD. EACH IS A STAGE THAT HAS BEEN SET UP BY THE DIVISION OF HISTORICAL RESOURCES TO GET YOUR WAY THROUGH DESIGNATING A HISTORIC BUILDING THAT THEY ARE GETTING BEHIND TO PRESERVE. >> YOUR QUESTION WAS JUST ABOUT THE SIGN . >> YES. WE CREATE A TEMPORARY SIGN BECAUSE THERE IS NO , UNLESS YOU HAPPEN TO GO INTO THE PARK ITSELF AND YOU COULD SEE THE PARK CLOSES AT SUNDOWN OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. THERE IS NO WAY OF KNOWING THAT YOU ARE AT THE PARK. IT IS OFF A SMALL ROAD, ON A DIRT ROAD AND THEN OFF THE DIRT ROAD. IT IS NOT THE EASIEST PLACE TO FIND. DEPARTMENT AND SEE IF THEY CAN PUT A SIGN -- SEE WHAT THEY CAN DO FOR THAT. >> WE HAVE S SCHOOL GROUP COMING FROM ORANGE PARK JUNIOR HIGH ON THE 22ND OF MARCH. THEY ARE COMING SPECIFICALLY TO LISTEN TO JACKSON SPEAK ABOUT [00:15:06] HER LITTLE SCHOOLHOUSE. I EXPECT THAT WILL NOT BE THE LAST SUMMER CAMP OR SITE VISIT THAT KIDS WILL MAKE IN THIS COUNTY. >> DO YOU KNOW WHEN THEY WILL CHECK THE STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY? >> THEY HAVE ALREADY BEEN WORKING ON IT, ENGINEERS, HISTORIANS, ARCHITECTS HAVE BEEN OUT THERE AND PEOPLE FROM OUR PUBLIC WORKS HAVE BEEN OUT THERE. THEY HAVE BEEN CRAWLING UNDERNEATH IT. ONE QUESTION STILL REMAINS AND THAT IS WHO PUT THE METAL ROOF ON IT? YOU CAN SEE IT IS A NEW METAL ROOF. WE CANNOT FIND ANY INFORMATION ABOUT THE ROOF. IT WOULD BE IMPORTANT INFORMATION IF WE KNEW IT. >> IS THERE A TEXT THAT IS ALREADY BEING WORKED ON ? >> FOR THE MARKER, YES, OF COURSE. >> THANK YOU. >> FOR THE HUNTER DOUGLAS PARK SIGN, WILL THAT COME FROM OUR PROJECT? FROM THE HISTORIC PARTS? >> THE PARKS AND REC IS NOT GOING TO ENTERTAIN ANY THOUGHT ABOUT THE SIGN ANYMORE THAN THEY HAVE FOR THE LAST THREE YEARS. WE ARE HAVING GUESTS UP THERE NOW AT LEAST EVERY TWO WEEKS. WE SHOULD HAVE A SIGN THAT SAYS THIS PARK IS HERE. >> IF WE WERE -- IF WE NEED TO TAKE FUNDS FROM OUR -- I WOULD BE IN FAVOR. THAT IS WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW. I WAS HOPING BILLY GOULD WOULD BE HERE SO HE GIVE US INSIGHTS ABOUT HIS DEPARTMENT FOR THAT. >> ALL RIGHT. OKAY. SHALL WE MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ITEM? FLEMING ESTATE? >> DO WE NEED TO CONTINUE BEST YOU NEXT TIME ? THIS QUESTION ABOUT WHETHER WE CAN -- >> IF YOU WANT TO COME I WOULD THINK YOU COULD TAKE A VOTE ON IT IF YOU WANTED TO PRESENT THAT IS SOMETHING YOU WOULD BE WILLING TO FUND YOU HAVE A QUORUM. I WILL CHECK WITH OUR STAFF AND FIND OUT . THIS WILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH ALL THE PROPER CHANNELS . >> THE HUNTER DOUGLAS PARK SIGN? >> IF YOU WANT TO HAVE IT COME OUT OF YOUR BUDGET BUT I WILL SEE IF WE CAN HOW IT CAN BE FUNDED. OTHERWISE, YOU WOULD BE WILLING TO FUND IT. >> DOES A MOTION HAVE TO BE MADE? >> WHAT I WAS ASKING IS NOT THE HUNTER DOUGLAS SIGN THAT THE PARKS AND REC HAS. BUT RATHER SOMETHING CLOSER TO THE ENTRANCE OF THE PARK THAT SAYS, THIS IS HUNTER DOUGLAS PARK. SO IT WOULD NOT BE INTERFERING WITH THE PLANS OF PARKS AND REC BUT WOULD GET US THE SIGN AT THE TIME WHEN WE NEED AMERICA. THIS SIGN, THE BROWN BREAD >> WHAT I WAS THINKING WAS THE SIGNS, FOR EXAMPLE, ON TO 18 THAT SAY THE SONS HIGHWAY. THEY ARE BROWN SIGNS AND THEY HAVE THE COUNTY LOGO ON IT AND THEY SAY HISTORIC HIGHWAY OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. >> LET ME SEE WHAT WE COULD FIND OUT. I DON'T WANT TO GO TO ANY GREAT EXPENSE BEFORE THEY CHANGE THE PROGRAM. LET ME ASK THE QUESTION AND SEE WHAT WE CAN FIND OUT I WILL HAVE AN ANSWER FOR YOU NEXT MEETING BE >> SUPER. >> CAN BE PUT ON THE DINNER WITHOUT A FORMAL MOTION? >> IF YOU WANT ON THE AGENDA, I WILL JUST PUT IT ON THE AGENDA. >> DEFINITELY. >> SO, FLEMING ESTATE. >> WE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT IT. >> OKAY. VERY GOOD. >> WE HAVE THE SUBCOMMITTEE THAT IS WORKING DILIGENTLY TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT PROJECT . OUR NEXT MEETING IS ON THE 19TH OF MARCH. I WILL KEEP EVERYBODY POSTED AT THE NEXT PRESERVATION BOARD MEETING. WE ARE DEFINITELY GOING FORWARD WITH IT. >> YES, WE ARE. ANY FURTHER COMMENTS ON THE STATE OF IT? [00:20:05] FOR 11 , DEIRDRE MURPHY IS NOT HERE . WE CANNOT REALLY HAVE A FULL REPORT. IT IS THE CASE TO MY KNOWLEDGE PEOPLE EXPERIENCED IN FINDING THE TRACES OF HISTORIC FORTS HAVE BEEN LOOKING OVER THE GROUNDS TO TRY TO ASCERTAIN MORE PRECISELY WHERE THE FORT ACTUALLY STOOD. APPARENTLY THEY ARE MAKING PROGRESS BUT I'M NOT SURE THEY HAVE COME TO A FINAL REPORT ON IT YET. I'M SURE THAT MIGHT ENTER INTO WHAT WE MIGHT PROPOSE FOR A MARKER. LET US SEE, KEVIN HOOPER, WHO IS DONE A LOT OF RESEARCH AND A COUPLE BOOKS ON THE HISTORY. YOU'VE GOT TOM WHO IS A TEACHER IN THE COUNTY. AND THEN BILL STRICKLAND IS ANOTHER PERSON THAT I AM AWARE OF. >> THEY ARE WORKING WITH DEIDRE? >> I THINK THEY HAVE CONTACTED HER BUT THEY WANT TO FIND THIS OUT DEIRDRE HAS NOT BEEN INVOLVED IN THAT KIND OF WORK. THEY HAVE COME TO CONCLUSIONS ABOUT WHERE THE FOOTING WAS. AND THEN THEY WILL TURN IT ALL OVER TO THE PEOPLE AT KEYSTONE HEIGHTS. AFTER THAT IS DONE, MAYBE WE WILL HAVE ANOTHER FORT OR TWO. FOR THE REST, WE WILL WAIT UNTIL DEIRDRE HAS SOMETHING TO SAY. I'M SURE THERE WILL BE MORE WORK IN THE PIPELINE. AGAIN, KEYSTONE HEIGHTS . DOES ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANYTHING ABOUT KEYSTONE HEIGHTS THAT THEY WANT TO SAY? IT IS MAINLY A DEIRDRE PROJECT, AT LEAST WITH LEADERSHIP. THOSE TWO WILL BE TABLED FOR LATER. WHAT IS THE APPROPRIATE WAY TO KEEP THEM ALIVE ? >> THIS IS JUST AN UPDATE ON THE ACTIONS THAT THE SUBCOMMITTEES ARE DOING. THERE IS NO NEED FOR MOTION. IT IS TO REALLY JUST UPDATE . NEXT MONTH , HOPEFULLY, SHE WILL BE HERE TO DO THAT. >> ALL RIGHT. ST. MARY'S EPISCOPAL CHURCH . GLAD TO HEAR THAT THE COUNTY AND THE CITY HAVE COME TO SOME SORT OF RECORD THAT WILL ALLOW US TO GO FORWARD WITH SIGNAGE . DO WE WANT TO SPEAK TO IT NOW OR WAIT UNTIL LATER? >> ME OKAY? >> MAYBE YOU SHOULD LOWER IT A LITTLE. >> HOW ABOUT THAT? YOU HAVE A NEW HANDOUT. WE REVISED THE SCRIPT A LITTLE BIT. I DID NOT KNOW HOW MANY CHARACTERS . I UNDERSTAND THAT THE MAX IS 1235. I FIGURED OUT HOW TO MAKE IT SHORTER. IF YOU WANT TO KNOW WHAT TO CROSS OUT, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT THE SECOND LINE , IT SAYS ST. MARY'S EPISCOPAL CHURCH WAS ORGANIZED AS A MISSION CHURCH. YOU CAN USE THE WORD BECAME. ON THE FOURTH LINE, YOU COULD TAKE OUT THE WORD, VERY. >> WE CAN TAKE THE WET? >> THERE IS A VERY ON THE FOURTH LINE. IT SAYS VERY SYMBOLIC STAINED-GLASS WINDOWS. YOU COULD JUST CALL IT SYMBOLIC STAINED-GLASS WINDOWS. >> YOU DON'T NEED TO TAKE OUT MORE THAN -- YOU CAN PLAY WITH IT. THE ONLY OTHER CORRECTION ON THERE, AND I NOTICED I HAD [00:25:03] CAPITALIZED A WORD I SHOULD NOT HAVE CAPITALIZED. ON THE SECOND PARAGRAPH , IT SAYS THE CHURCH DESIGNED BY ARCHITECT -- BUT SHOULD NOT BE CAPITALIZED. THERE IS AN EXTRA PERIOD ON THE NEXT TO THE LAST LINE. THERE SHOULD BE A COMMA TAKEN OUT BETWEEN THE WORD UNCHANGED -- IT REMAINS UNCHANGED AND SERVES AS A VITAL PART OF THE COMMUNITY. IF YOU. -- IF YOU DO THAT YOU ARE DOWN TO 1234 CHARACTERS. >> IN ADDITION, IT SEEMS LIKE YOU HAVE DONE SOME EXTRA RESEARCH HAVING TO DO WITH THE ARCHITECT WHO DESIGNED THE CHURCH. HE HAS QUITE A CAREER . IF WE ARE ABLE TO BOIL THIS DOWN IN SUCH A WAY AS TO FIT A LITTLE OF THAT IN , THAT WOULD BE GREAT TOO. I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO CONVENE A SUBCOMMITTEE TO GO OVER THIS SO THAT WE CAN BOIL IT DOWN TO THE REQUIRED NUMBER OF CHARACTERS . >> I THINK SHE SAID SHE HAVE BROUGHT DOWN TO 1234. >> YES, 1234. >> YOU WOULD LIKE TO DO IT -- THE REST OF IT BY YOURSELF? >> I KNOW THE PROCESS. AND IT IS A SUBCOMMITTEE . IF YOU DEEM IT NECESSARY , THEN I AM WILLING TO WAIT. I DO NOT HAVE ANY OBJECTION TO YOUR PROCESS. I TRIED TO CONDENSE TWO BUILDINGS INTO ONE BECAUSE BOTH BUILDINGS ARE ON THE NATIONAL REGISTER AND I WANTED TO BE ABLETO TALK ABOUT WHAT THE BEST AT BOTH OF THEM IN ONE MARKER. THERE IS SO MUCH HISTORY IN THAT SITE. YOU ARE RIGHT, THE CONTRACTOR WHO BUILT THAT CHURCH BUILT SEVERAL ARE OF THE HOTELS. HE BUILT BREAKER AND THE MAGNOLIA SPRINGS HOTEL. HE IS AN AMAZING BUILDER. I DON'T HAVE ROOM TO GET INTO EVERYTHING ON A MARKER THAT HAS LIMITED CHARACTERS , UNLESS YOU WANT TO GO TO A TWO SIDED MARKER OR ERECT A SECOND MARKER THAT IS DEDICATED ONLY TO THE CHURCH. YOU CAN ONLY DO SO MUCH WITH A CERTAIN AMOUNT. YOU CANNOT PUT 10 POUNDS OF POTATOES IN A FIVE POUND BAG. THAT IS KIND OF WHERE I AM. >> IF WE WERE TO CONVENE A SUBCOMMITTEE WORKING ON THE TEXT, WOULD PERSON SUCH AS US BE ALLOWED TO BE PART OF THE SUBCOMMITTEE? IS THAT FORBIDDEN BY ANY RULES YOU KNOW OF? >> NOT THAT I AM AWARE. SHE CERTAINLY COULD COME TO THE MEETINGS AND HELP. >> I THINK IT WOULD BENEFIT FROM A LITTLE REORDERING AND MASSAGING AND SUCCEED IN BOILING IT DOWN. THAT IS MY OPINION. IF ANYONE WANTS TO MAKE A MOTION TO HAVE A SUBCOMMITTEE TO WORK ON A FINAL DRAFT , I WOULD INVITE YOU TO. OKAY. I GUESS, THAT DID NOT GO OVER. I GUESS WE WILL HAVE TO WAIT FOR THE FINAL BOIL DOWN AND WORK ON IT. >> IT SEEMS TO ME THAT WHEN NEW MARKERS ARE PROPOSED , WHETHER THEY COME FROM ON THE BOARD OR FROM THE COMMUNITY , IT IS ALMOST EXPECTED OR ANTICIPATED THAT VERY SHORTLY AFTER THAT APPLICATION THE TEXT WILL COME IN. VERY OFTEN, ESPECIALLY SINCE WE ARE WORKING WITH HISTORICAL PROPERTIES, THERE ARE ROADBLOCKS AND DELAYS THAT YOU CANNOT ANTICIPATE EVEN THOUGH YOU KNOW ENOUGH TO SEND IN AN APPLICATION. WHAT I WOULD LIKE [00:30:04] TO PROPOSE IS THAT WE GO OVER ALL THE MARKERS BEFORE THEY ARE APPROVED TO GET APPROVAL FROM THE COUNTY FROM WHAT SHE KNOWS IN TERMS OF CLAY HISTORY. I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO SEE THE CITATIONS , THAT IS THE REFERENCE PAGE THAT SAYS THIS GUY'S NAME WAS SO-AND-SO . SO THAT WE HAVE THE DOCUMENTATION. VERY OFTEN WE ARE READING THINGS THAT WE HAVE NO WAY OF KNOWING IF THEY ARE CORRECT , INCORRECT, COMPLETE OR INCOMPLETE. WE ARE JUST GUESSING. WE ARE NOT DOING A SERVICE BY APPROVING TEXT QUICKLY. >> YES, IN THIS CASE THERE WAS A TEMPORARY ROADBLOCK IN TERMS OF THE FACT THAT THE SIGNAGE WAS GOING TO GO IN INCORPORATED AREAS. IT HAD TO BE IRONED OUT. BY THE WAY, HAS IT BEEN IRONED OUT? >> NOT AS YET BUT THAT WOULD NOT PREVENT YOU FROM CONTINUING TO WORK ON THE MARKER. >> I THINK AS PAT POINTED OUT, ABOUT HALF OF ALL OF OUR MARKERS HAVE BEEN JOINTLY FUNDED BY DIFFERENT MUNICIPALITIES. THIS IS NOT ANYTHING THAT IS UNUSUAL. >> ARE YOU WILLING TO ACCEPT DOCUMENTATION THAT WAS SUBMITTED TO THE NATIONAL REGISTER OF HISTORIC PLACES? >> YES, OF COURSE. >> I DO NOT THINK I CREATED ANY NEW INFORMATION IN THE WRITE UP. I SENT THAT TO THE CHAIRPERSON. I CAN SEND IT TO YOU. >> I THINK IT WOULD BE COMING THROUGH BETH TO US. >> I BELIEVE SHE HAS DONE BACKGROUND WORK I LOVE A GOOD REFERENCE THAT I ENJOYED A LOT IS THE SPIRES IN THE SUN BOOK. IT SUPPORTS EVERYTHING TOO. >> I AM NOT QUESTIONING I'M JUST SAYING, WE HAVE NO WAY TO KNOW THAT SOMETHING IS ACTUALLY CORRECT. >> I APPRECIATE THAT. WE HAVE LEARNED THE HARD WAY THAT YOU REALLY NEED TO CONSIDER THE SOURCE BECAUSE YOU DO NOT WANT TO HAVE TO GO BACK AND TRY TO ERASE SOMETHING THAT IS ENGRAVED ON A BRONZE MARKER. >> YES. >> AS FAR AS SEMITIC THE APPLICATION, UNLESS IT IS COMMON KNOWLEDGE, WE DO NEED TO HAVE THE CITATION SO WE CAN SUBMITTED WITH THE APPLICATION. THEY DO WANT TO SEE THAT DOCUMENTATION. >> IF I SEND YOU WHAT IS WRITTEN ON THE NATIONAL REGISTER, YOU CAN SEE IF THAT IS ENOUGH? WHO WANTS TO LOOK AND SEE IF THAT IS ENOUGH OR IF I NEED TO GO OUT TO THE -- I MEAN, THERE IS ONE REFERENCE WITH THIS LADY ON HERE THAT IS SOME ARCHIVE SOMEWHERE. THIS STUFF IS REALLY OLD. CHURCH RECORDS AND STUFF. IT WAS ALREADY RESEARCHED AND SUBMITTED WHEN THE NATIONAL REGISTER WAS HAPPENING IN 1978. >> THEY HAVE THEIR REFERENCES THERE AND CITATIONS. YOU CAN DEFINITELY, IF YOU ARE QUOTING SOMETHING FROM THEM , CITE THE MARKER OR SITE THEIR APPLICATION. IF YOU'RE USING SOMETHING FROM A SOURCE , THEN CITE THE SOURCE. >> DO MUPPET NOTES OR WHAT YOU WANT? HOW CAN I DO THAT ON MY APPLICATION? WHAT IS THE FORMAL PROCESS? I NEED TO KNOW WHAT I NEED TO DO AND I WILL BE GLAD TO ACCOMMODATE YOUR REQUEST. >> I WOULD SAY HAVE A FOOTNOTE TO WHAT YOU ARE REFERENCING AND AN ATTACHMENT. >> I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NEED TO GO TO FOOTNOTE FORMAT AND ALL OF THAT. FOR EACH THING, YOU HAVE -- THERE IS NOT THAT MUCH ROOM FOR FACTS. JUST HAVE YOUR CITATIONS AND PAGE NUMBERS. LIKE BETH SAID, THEY HAVE TO BE SUBMITTED ALONG WITH THE MARKER APPLICATION. >> YOU CAN ALSO -- I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE ABLE TO BUT TAKE A PICTURE OF SOMETHING OR JUST PRINTED . COPY IT INTO A SCANNER. >> WOULD THAT BE ADEQUATE , MAUREEN? >> IT REALLY DEPENDS ON -- >> I'M JUST ASKING BECAUSE I'M TRYING TO SAVE TIME. I DO NOT WANT TO CUT CORNERS BUT I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO BE MORE EFFICIENT AND NOT CONTINUE TO CIRCLE . >> SO THAT ANYTHING THAT IS NOT COMMON KNOWLEDGE SHOULD BE CITED WITH A SOURCE. IF IT IS A PAGE OR A STATISTIC, THEN MAKE A COPY AND IT CAN JUST , YOU [00:35:10] KNOW, GIVE IS THAT THROUGH BETH. >> OKAY. I WILL JUST SCAM THE NATIONAL REGISTER AND PROVIDE IT . AND I WILL PHOTOCOPY IT TO HANDOUT NEXT TIME. AND THEN YOU WILL HAVE IT. >> TO COPY THE WHOLE APPLICATION . >> IT IS WHAT IS THERE I WAS ABLE -- I DO NOT REMEMBER HOW. I GOT INTO SEE THE TEXT AND IT HAS GOT CITATIONS IN PARENTHESES . SORRY, I CANNOT SEND IT TO YOU ON MY PHONE. I SEND IT TO MR. CASALE. >> THIS FIRST PARAGRAPH, FOR EXAMPLE, APPEARS TO HAVE BEEN DRAWN MOSTLY FROM RECORDS. DO YOU HAVE THAT SOURCE SUMMER CITED? >> IT IS EVERYWHERE. IT IS IN THIS BOOK. IT IS IN THE NATIONAL REGISTER DOCUMENTATION. >> GOOD. >> IT IS NOT HARD TO PROVIDE. >> SO, YOU CAN. >> I CAN HIGHLIGHT IT AND MAKE IT EASY FOR YOU TO FIND IT. WHAT EVER WOULD WORK BETTER FOR YOU. NONE OF THIS IS REALLY NEW INFORMATION AT ALL. >> IS IT ON FACEBOOK? >> I DON'T KNOW. I AM SORRY. PROBABLY NOT. >> THE ONLY SUGGESTION TO WORKING ON THIS TEXT IS, I GUESS, FROM MAUREEN . WE DO NOT WANT TO DO IT IN THIS CASE BUT WE SHOULD HAVE A LOOK AT IT. IS THAT RIGHT? >> I THINK THAT WOULD BE A FAIR STEP IN THE PROCESS ONCE WE FEEL IT IS ABOUT READY TO SUBMIT. SHE HAS INSIGHT ABOUT THE COUNTY AND HISTORY THAT WE DO NOT NECESSARILY HAVE. THAT MIGHT BE VERY IMPORTANT TO THE MARKER. >> YOU WANT TO PUT THAT IN THE FORM OF A MOTION? >> I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE THAT -- I BEG YOUR PARDON? >> I GUESS YOU WOULD HAVE TO PUT IT IN THE FORM OF A MOTION IF WE ARE GOING TO MAKE A DECISION ABOUT IT. >> I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE THAT THE COUNTY ARC OF A SPECIALIST REVIEWS EACH OF THE APPLICATIONS ONCE THEY ARE WELL ALONG IN THE PROCESS TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE IS NOT ANYTHING THAT HAS BEEN LEFT OUT, ANYTHING SIGNIFICANT. >> DOES ANYONE WANT TO SECOND THAT MOTION AS EXPRESSED? >> SECOND. >> ALL RIGHT. NO SECOND. >> SHE SECONDED IT. >> OKAY. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ABOUT IT ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING, AYE. >> AYE. >> ANY OPPOSED? OKAY, MOTION -- OKAY, NEW BUSINESS. IF WE WANTED TO ADD SOMETHING NEW BY MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, WE WOULD WAIT UNTIL BOARD MEMBER COMMENTS, CORRECT? OKAY, CERTIFICATES OF APPROVAL. APPARENTLY, THERE ARE NONE. STAFF COMMENTS. >> YOU HAVE A PUBLIC COMMENT. YOU HAVE TO OPEN THE FLOOR EVEN IF NO ONE IS HERE. >> ARE THERE PUBLIC COMMENTS? WE HAVE LAST OUR PUBLIC. OKAY, STAFF COMMENTS. >> I HAVE NO COMMENTS. >> OKAY. NONE OF THERE. I WAS GOING TO -- THERE IS SOMETHING [Board Member's Comments] [00:40:01] LEFT OVER. BOARD MEMBER COMMENTS. >> I HAVE SOMETHING. I JUST WANTED TO LET EVERYONE KNOW, EVERYONE PROBABLY ALREADY KNOWS. THIS SATURDAY IS CAREY PARK DAY. THAT IS A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT EVENT. THEY OPEN UP THE COURTHOUSE AND SHOW EVERYONE AROUND , GIVE TOURS . I WILL BE IN THE SHED BEHIND THE CLARK HOUSE WITH A DISPLAY OF ANTIQUE TOOLS THAT WERE USED BACK IN THE DAY. >> WHAT TIME IS THAT? >> I BELIEVE IT STARTS AT 11:00. I THINK IT IS 11:00 TO 4:00. THERE IS SOMETHING ONLINE WITH IT. I HAD A -- I PRINTED OUT A COPY OF THE POSTER . WHEN I REALIZED I WAS RUNNING LATE, I FORGOT THE STUFF I WAS GOING TO BRING. IT IS THIS SATURDAY. ON THE -- IF YOU'RE ON FACEBOOK, ON THE FACEBOOK GROUP THEY HAVE IT OUT THERE. THERE IS A LOT OF THINGS GOING ON. IT IS A PRETTY INTERESTING EVENT. >> ANY OTHER MEMBER COMMENTS? I HAVE A COUPLE. ONE KIND OF GLOOMY PIECE OF NEWS THAT I JUST HEARD. OVER A MONTH AGO, A HOUSE WAS SOLD TO A PRIVATE PARTY WHO INTENDS TO KNOCK IT DOWN . >> WHAT HOUSE? >> THE GUSTAVSON FAMILY HOME . IT IS ONE OVER FROM RON THAT STREET. >> THEY ARE HOPING TO OPEN IT UP FOR SHOPS AND USE THE BUILDING. THEY ARE NOT GOING TO TEAR THE HOUSE DOWN. >> GOOD. THAT IS BETTER. WHAT ARE THEY GOING TO TRY TO DO? >> THE EMAIL THAT I GOT, THEY WANT TO USE IT FOR SHOPS . KEEP IT RESTORED. FOR A LITTLE BIT OF COMMERCIAL. >> THE KNIGHT FAMILY? >> YES, BRIAN KNIGHT. >> PURCHASE THE HOUSE MAINTAIN THE HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE OF THE HOUSE. I WAS ACTUALLY ABOUT INSIDE ONE TIME AND TOOK PICTURES. THE AMAZING THING ABOUT THAT HOUSE IS THAT THE KITCHEN TABLE IS STILL SET AND ALL THE BEDS ARE STILL MADE. THERE IS STILL CUSHIONS ON THE COUCH. IT IS A LITTLE DUSTY BUT IT LOOKS LIKE SOMEONE IS STILL LIVING THERE. >> THAT IS MORE ENCOURAGING. THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE PEOPLE SEEM TO THINK IT WAS A LITTLE MORE GRIM. HAS THEM MADE A COMMITMENT THAT MAKES IT STICK? >> I HAVE HAD VERY LIMITED COMMUNICATION WITH BRIAN KNIGHT. HE IS INTERESTED IN PUTTING A SIGN ON THE STRUCTURE AT SOME POINT. BUT THAT IS IN THE VERY EARLY STAGES. >> I HOPE HE REACHES OUT TO THE LARGER COMMUNITY BECAUSE HE MIGHT GET VOLUNTEER HELP AND EVERYTHING. >> I THINK THERE WOULD BE PLENTY OF VOLUNTEERS TO GO IN THERE. THE OTHER THING THAT MIGHT WELL BE MENTIONED IS THAT ON THE 20TH OF APRIL , THEY ARE INAUGURATING A LARGE TRAIL FOR CLAY COUNTY . THERE WILL BE A RECEPTION FOR A FEW HOURS STARTING AT 10:00 IN THE MORNING. THAT WILL BE A JOLLY OCCASION. IT WILL TAKE A WHILE LONGER BEFORE THEY CAN CREATE THE SNAZZY BROCHURE , LIKE PUTNAM COUNTY CREATED WHEN THEY OPEN THEIR TRAIL. APPARENTLY, THE TOURISM BOARD WILL ENTERTAIN SUGGESTIONS . THERE IS KIND OF A TEXT ALREADY SUGGESTING TO GO WITH THAT BROCHURE. IT LOOKS LIKE IT IS REALLY GOING TO HAPPEN. THE SYSTEM IS GOING TO HAVE AT [00:45:06] LEAST FOUR . POSSIBLY, FOUR POINTS FOR THE VISITORS PLUS THE ENTIRETY OF THE ST. JOHNS RIVER. THEY WROTE UP AND DOWN THAT FOR SOME TIME. THE HIKING TRAIL, AND THEN THERE IS BICYCLE PAST -- WHAT WAS THE OTHER ONE? IF YOU'RE DRIVING AROUND I GUESS THERE IS THINGS TO LOOK AT AS THEY ARE GOING . IF THERE IS NO OTHER COMMENTS , I GUESS WE CAN ADJOURN. * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.