[INVOCATION] [00:00:14] THIS AFTERNOON, LET'S BEGIN WITH THE INVOCATION BY COMMISSIONER CONDEN. PLEASE RISE. >> BOW WITH ME, IF YOU WILL? WE CAN BE THANKFUL TODAY, THAT WE LIVE IN A FREE COUNTRY CODE THAT WE LIVE IN THE GREATEST COUNTY, IN THE GREATEST STATES IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. WE THANK YOU FOR A MILITARY WHO PROTECTS US ONSHORE, AND OFFSHORE. WE THANK YOU FOR FIRST RESPONDERS, OUR SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, FIRE DEPARTMENT THAT ARE BRAVE, EVEN WHEN WE ARE NOT. I PRAY THAT YOU WOULD WATCH OVER US AS WE CONDUCT THE BUSINESS OF THE COUNTY. THAT HE WOULD WATCH OVER THE YOUNG PEOPLE AS THEY LEAD TODAY AND GO THEIR SEPARATE WAYS, AND RISK THEIR LIVES. WE PRAY THAT WE WOULD DO EVERYTHING THAT WE DO TO THE HONOR AND GLORY OF YOUR NAME, AND I PRAY THESE THINGS IN JESUS NAME, AMEN. >> THIS AFTERNOON WE ARE HONORED TO HAVE NELSON COOPER, PETTY OFFICER FIRST CLASS, USN, RETIRED, WHO WILL LEAD US IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. HE SERVED IN THE UNITED STATES NAVY OVER 22 YEARS AND RETIRED RECENTLY, IN 2021. STATIONED IN VIRGINIA BEACH, VIRGINIA, SOUR CAROLINA, AND SPENT HALF HIS CAREER THAT NORM FULL , A DECORATED VETERAN FOLLOWING 10 NAVY ACHIEVEMENT MEDALS, GOLD GRADES, AND THESE WILL BECOME IMPORTANT WHEN I EXPLAINED SOMETHING ELSE TO YOU IN THE SECOND. HE JOINED THE MILITARY TO FORGE A NEW PATH FORWARD AND GAIN INDEPENDENCE, HIS FAVORITE SERVICE MEMORY WAS GETTING MERITOR SLEEP ADVANCED TO RECRUITER OF THE YEAR, SO THAT SAYS A LOT WHEN YOU MERITOR SLEEP ADVANCED, THERE'S A WHOLE PROCESS TO GETTING ADVANCED. AS A TEST, THERE'S AN EVALUATION, THERE'S INTERVIEWS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, AND THE COMMANDS, WHEN THEY RECOGNIZE -- THEY CAN ONLY MERITOR SLEEP ADVANCED VERY FEW NUMBERS OF PEOPLE. SO HE ALWAYS WAITED FOR THAT SPECIAL PERSON TO COME ALONG, AND I CAN SEE NELSON COOPER IS THAT GUY, HERE. HE WORKS AS A LOCAL VETERANS EMPLOYMENT REPRESENTATIVE. IN VOLUNTEERS WITH MANY ORGANIZATIONS INCLUDING HOMELESS REINTEGRATION PROGRAM AND EMPLOYMENT PROGRAM, THANK YOU TO YOUR SERVICE TO OUR COUNTRY AND COUNTY AND PLEASE THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT, AND LEADING US IN THE PLEDGE. NOW YOU HAVE THE MICROPHONE. >> I PLEDGE ALLEGIANC TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. >> THANK YOU, EVERYBODY FOR INVITING ME. CONGRATULATIONS ON CLAY COUNTY FOR WINNING THIRD INITIATIVE, CORRECT, WHICH IS KIND OF FULL CIRCLE AND FITTING, BECAUSE AS YOU MENTIONED, CLAY HIGH SCHOOL ACTUALLY HELPED ME BECOME RECRUITER OF THE YEAR. I RECORDED WOULD MASTER CHIEF WILLIAMS, THEY WERE VERY INSTRUMENTAL IN MY CAREER. ONCE AGAIN, JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR THE INVITE, I AM LOCATED AS HE SAID, WHERE WE HELP VETERANS WITH EMPLOYMENT, WE DO VARIOUS SORTS OF THINGS. I WANT TO THANK MISS WEST WAS ALSO A FORMER RESOURCE ADVOCATE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. HAVE A GREAT DAY. >> OKAY, WE CAN ALL TAKE OUR SEATS, I'M GOING TO CALL THE [CALL TO ORDER] FEBRUARY 27TH MEETING OF THE CLAY COUNTY BOARD OF COUNTY [PET ADOPTIONS] COMMISSIONERS TO ORDER. I SAY FIVE, WE ARE ALL PRESENT AND ACCOUNTED FOR. I WILL GO RIGHT INTO PET ADOPTIONS. >> OUR FIRST DOG TODAY IS JIA SPADE FEMALE MIXED BREED FOUR YEARS OLD WAYS 41 POUNDS. SHE IS AS CHARMING AS SHE IS [00:05:04] CUTE. INTRODUCED TO CHILDREN AGE 7, SHE ACED THE INTERACTION PROVING HERSELF TO BE KID FRIENDLY AS A COMPANION, NOT ONLY SHOULD GREAT WITH PEOPLE THAT SHE ALSO GETS ALONG WELL WITH OTHER DOGS MAKING HER AN IDEAL ADDITION TO ANY FAMILY. SHE SHOWN PROGRESS IN HOUSE TRAINING ALTHOUGH SHE MAY NEED SOME GUIDANCE IN CURBING HER PUPPY CHEWING TENDENCIES. CRATE TRADING WOULD BE GREAT FOR HER TO CONTINUE TO THRIVE. NEXT WE HAVE OLAF COME A NEUTERED MALE AMERICAN BULLY MIXED SIX YEARS OLD, WEIGHING 82 POUNDS. STAFF FAVORITE AND LOVABLE GIANT AT 82 POUNDS, HE'S CONVINCED HE'S A LAPDOG WITH A HEART FULL OF AFFECTION HE THRIVES ON ATTENTION AND RULES HIS DOMAIN LIKE A KING. UNLEASHES HIS BEST FRIEND AND IS READY TO BE THE CENTER OF YOUR WORLD, IF YOU NEED A LOYAL COMPANION, OLAF IS YOUR MATCH. BET IN A PET FREE PALACE. ADOPT OLAF TODAY AND LET THE LOVE RAIN SUPREME. OUR FIRST CAT IS ROBIN, DOMESTIC SHORTHAIR. WHAT SETS HER APART IS HER CHATTY NATURE, SHE LOVED ENGAGING IN LIVELY CONVERSATIONS WITH HER HUMANS, FILLING HER HOME WITH MELODIOUS MEOWS. IF YOU ARE LOOKING FOR TALKATIVE COMPANION, ROBIN IS THE PERFECT MATCH FOR YOU. LASTLY WE HAVE CAMILLA. SPADE FEMALE, DOMESTIC SHORTHAIR THREE YEARS OLD LOOKING FOR A FEISTY FELINE TO SET HER OWN RULES, LOOK NO FURTHER, THIS INDOOR OUTDOOR DIVA LOVES TO EXPLORE AND AFFECTION IS ON HER TERMS. >> WE ARE STILL IN NEED OF FOSTER PARENTS FOR OUR DOGS, CATS, AND KITTENS, PLEASE CONSIDER OPENING YOUR HOME TEMPORARILY, IF INTERESTED CONTACT CLAY FOSTERS A CLAY COUNTY.GOV.COM. IF YOU'RE INTERESTED, LOOK AT OUR AMAZON WISH LIST. WE ARE ALWAYS IN NEED OF ITEMS FOR KITTENS AND GO TO AMAZON .COM. THAT CONCLUDES OUR PET ADOPTIONS. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, [1.  Clay High School Cheerleaders State Championship] TONIGHT WE HAVE ONE PROCLAMATION, IT'S FOR ALL THESE BLUE-AND-WHITE UNIFORMS APPEAR CLAY HIGH CHEERLEADING SQUAD. SO IF COMMISSIONERS COULD JOIN ME DOWN THERE, WE CAN TAKE CARE OF THIS. >> >> WELCOME WOULD LIKE TO WELCOME THE CHEERLEADING TEAM HERE, LET BY LORI DAVIS AND DANIEL RICHARDSON, IF YOU, AND UP HERE, WE WILL GET THE REST OF THE TEAM, BUT IF THE LEADERS AND COACHES COULD COME UP HERE AND WE WILL RECOGNIZE THEM. APPLAUSE ] >> WE ARE RECOGNIZING THEIR WEEK OF WINNING CLASS ONE A COMPETITIVE STATE FINALS A REAL SIGNIFICANT ACHIEVEMENT , AND WE WOULD LIKE TO READ THE PROCLAMATION, AND BRING THE WHOLE TEAM UP, AND YOU CAN INTRODUCE THEM ALL. >> ALL RIGHT, AND I AM OF COURSE WEARING MY CLAY HIGH BLUE. MY DAUGHTER GRADUATED TWO YEARS AGO, AND SHE CHAIRED AND I KNOW OF ALL THE CRAZY HOURS OF PRACTICES, AND WE WANT TO LET YOU KNOW WE ARE SO PROUD OF ALL, SO HERE WE GO. WHEREAS, CLAY COUNTY WISHES TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE ASTOUNDING ACCOMPLISHMENTS OF THE COMPETITIVE CHEERING TEAM, FOR THEIR CHAMPION WHEN AT THE 2024 ONE A COMPETITIVE CHEERLEADING STATE FINALS IN LAKEWOOD, FLORIDA . AND WHEREAS THROUGH THEIR EXTRAORDINARY EFFORTS, THIS DYNAMIC TEAM PLU TO BE THE BEST EXECUTING HIGHEST SCORING TEAM IN ONE A MEDIUM COED IN FLORIDA, AND SUCCESSFULLY BROUGHT THE STATE CHAMPIONSHIP TROPHY BACK TO CLAY COUNTY. AND WHEREAS, THE COMPETITIVE PROGRAM ACCOMPLISHMENTS INCLUDE SIX REGIONAL TITLES AND FOUR STATE TITLES AND IS CURRENTLY RANKED THIRD IN THE NATION IN THE MEDIUM COED DAME DAVE DIVISION AND FIFTH IN THE NATION, AND WHEREAS THE ENTIRE COMPETITIVE CHEERLEADING TEAM CONTRIBUTED TO THE SUCCESS IN THESE REMARKABLE YOUNG MEN AND WOMEN SHOULD COMMENDED FOR THE HARD WORK, DEDICATION AND [00:10:05] PERSEVERANCE, NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED THAT THE BOARD OF CLAY COUNTY COMMISSIONERS, CLAY COUNTY FOUR, DOES HEREBY RECOGNIZE THE CLAY HIGH COMPETITIVE CHEERING TEAM FOR THEIR INCREDIBLE ACCOMPLISHMENTS AT THE 2020 4F SHA CLASS ONE A COMPETITIVE FINALS. ADOPTED BY THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS CLAY COUNTY FLORIDA THIS 27TH DAY OF FEBRUARY 2024, AND DO I HAVE A MOTION? >> OF COURSE THERE IS NO ONE THAT DOESN'T AGREE. WE HAVE -- I THINK EVERYONE COME UP, BECAUSE EVERYBODY PUT THEIR TIME AND EFFORT IN, SO EVERYBODY COME UP, WE ARE GOING TO TRY TO FIT UP HERE. WE WANTED TO SEE Y'ALL DO A START, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF WE WILL BE ABLE TO. >> COMMISSIONER, SAID HE WOULD VOLUNTEER FOR THE STUNT. >> AND WE HAVE PRINCIPAL DR. HALTER , AND ATHLETIC DIRECTOR COACH MOSES BACK THERE. WE WANT YOU ALL TO COME UP, TOO. >> COUNTY ATLANTIC DIRECTOR, J STONE, ALSO. DO YOU WANT TO COME UP? KNOW? >> DO YOU WANT TO SAY ANYTHING? THANK YOU. >> IT'S ALWAYS GREAT TO HAVE A GOOD TEAM, BUT IT'S EVEN BETTER TO HAVE A CHAMPIONSHIP WINNING GOOD TEAM. >> YEAH, THEY WANTED TO DO A STUNT. >> THANK YOU ALL, VERY MUCH. >> I'M SURE. BACKGROUND NOISE ] >> WANT TO DO IS NOT MY FIGURE WITH THE HEALTH DIRECTOR SITTING RIGHT UP OKAY, WE COULD DO IT. SO, GREAT. >> TONIGHT WE HAVE ONE DECLARATION, IT IS [2.  Flood Awareness Week – (March 4-10, 2024)] [00:15:02] RECOGNIZING FLOOD AWARENESS WEEK, AND WE HAVE EXPERIENCED SEVERAL SEVERE WEATHER ISSUES IN THE FORM OF RAINFALL AND FLOODING, WE HAVE A DECLARATION ATTACHED TO THE AGENDA FOR TONIGHT'S MEETING TO PROMOTE THE AWARENESS OF FLOOD RISK, THE AVAILABILITY OF FLOOD INSURANCE AND FLOOD PROTECTION METHODS AND HOW TO PREPARE, AND WE WELCOME [Discussion of Municipal Finance Options] EVERYONE TO READ THIS DECLARATION OF FLOOD AWARENESS WEEK ON OUR WEBSITE. >> WITH THAT, WE HAVE A PRESENTATION NEXT ON THE AGENDA IS MUNICIPAL FINANCE , THANK YOU, CHAIR. TROY NAGEL , ASSISTANT COUNTY MANAGER, I WOULD LIKE TO PRESENT JEREMY WITH A PFM FOR FINANCE OPTIONS AND WE ARE AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AFTER THE PRESENTATION. >> GOOD AFTERNOON, IT'S BEEN ABOUT FOUR YEARS SINCE WE LAST TALKED DURING THE SALE SURTAX BOND ISSUE. IT'S A PLEASURE TO BE BACK WHERE WE DON'T HAVE TO WEAR FACE MASKS AND ALL OF THAT. WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH STAFF TO LOOK AT SOME ALTERNATIVES TO FINANCE SOME NEEDS FOR A COUPLE REASONS, AND WE WILL GO THROUGH THOSE REASONS THROUGH THE PRESENTATION, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO STOP IF THERE'S A QUESTION ALONG THE WAY, THERE'S SOMETHING YOU WOULD LIKE MORE INFORMATION ON. LET'S START WITH THE MARKET UP DATE PLAN. I'M SORRY WE SEND THIS AS A PDF, IT MIGHT BE A LITTLE CHOPPY, BUT GOING THROUGH THE MARKET UPDATE, TAX-EXEMPT RATES ARE WHAT WE NORMALLY LOOK AT. WHEN WE GO INTO THE MARKET, OR MORTGAGE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, YOU KNOW YOU HAVE A MARKET RATE THAT IS BASED ON TREASURIES. TAX-EXEMPT YIELDS ARE SOMETHING THAT ARE SPECIFIC TO ENTITIES THAT ARE ISSUING THAT. >> AAA IS A CODE WE USE FOR OUR INDEX AND THE TAX-EXEMPT SPATES FOR AAA RATED IN PATRICE. THERE WOULD BE A SPREAD TO WHAT WE USE AS OUR INDEX, AND YOU CAN SAY IT'S A FAIRLY FLAT CURVE COMMITS A LITTLE BIT INVERTED, AND SHORT-TERM RATES ARE HIGH, BUT THEY GO DOWN, AND THEY START TO RISE AT A NORMAL LEVEL. THESE ARE TAX-EXEMPT RATES FOR THREE-YEAR. >> IS YOU CAN SEE OVER THE LAST THREE MONTHS, RATES HAVE IMPROVED. THEY IMPROVED EVEN MORE SIGNIFICANTLY BACK IN NOVEMBER. AND SO, IN AGGREGATE, WE ARE PROBABLY ABOUT 80 BASIS POINTS APPOINT 80% BETTER THAN WE WERE IN OCTOBER. YOU CAN SEE WE OPEN SOFT, BUT THERE'S BEEN SOME WEAKER ECONOMIC TOE BASED ON SOME OF THE FORECASTS WITH THE INFLATION, AND WITH RATES, BECAUSE THEY HAVE BEEN ANTICIPATED LATER LAST YEAR, SO WE HAVE SEEN MORE LEVELED OFF MARKETS. >> U.S. TREASURY YIELD KURT , THIS IS A BANK MARKET OR MORTGAGE MARKET YOU WOULD LOOK AT IT AS A PRIVATE CITIZEN AND IS YOU CAN SEE IS A VERY FLAT CURVE INVERTED, BUT VERY FLAT ALL THE WAY ACROSS. >> WHEN YOU COMPARE THE TWO, THE REASON WHY WE COMPARE THE TWO IS ACCOUNTING WITH LIQUID OPTIONS, WHETHER THE BANK LOAN, PRIVATE PLACEMENT OR DEBT OFFERING, WE WORK THAT FOR COUNTY ISSUANCE. YOU CAN SEE THE AAA MUNICIPAL CURVE AND THE MARKET RATES ARE SIGNIFICANTLY BETTER FOR U.S. TREASURY RATES. THIS IS PRIMARILY THE FOCUS OF WHAT WE'D GONE THROUGH A STAFF. >> TARGET RAY, WE LIVED THIS. CELEBRATES RAMPING UP OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS, AND ALL OF US, ARM MOSTLY HOPEFUL THE RATE WOULD COME DOWN ON THEM SHORT AND IN THE NEXT PAGE SHOWS JUST WHAT THAT FORECAST MIGHT LOOK LIKE. >> THIS IS THE FED RESERVE.PLOT. LOTTA DATA, DON'T EXPECT TO DIVE INTO IT, BUT ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS IN PARTICULAR MARKET UPDATES THAT YOU'RE WONDERING ABOUT? >> YES. >> THE THEME IS, RATES ARE STEADY, LITTLE LOWER THAN THEY WERE BUT, THEY IS STILL SOME UNCERTAINTY GOING INTO THIS ELECTION YEAR. >> AS DISCUSSED, FOUR YEARS AGO, THE COUNTY WENT ISSUE PUBLIC DEBT BASED ON THE SALE, NET STANDING EIGHT .4 MILLION FOR 20 39, A CALL FEATURE ON THAT, SO THERE IS SOME CALL FLEXIBILITY AND THAT IS SOMETHING WE WILL CONTINUE TO MONITOR AND REVIEW AS STAFF. >> OVERVIEWS, THIS IS WHERE WE HAD OUR DISCUSSIONS, CFP IS FAIRLY SIGNIFICANT OVER THE [00:20:05] NEXT FIVE YEARS ABOUT 45 MILLION PER YEAR. TOTAL OF ABOUT 225 MILLION . CELL TAX, REVENUES OF ABOUT 160 MILLION, THIS LEAVES ABOUT 65 MILLION OF THOSE PROJECTS TO BE FUNDED OUTSIDE OF THE FIVE-YEAR CFP, SO THOSE WOULD COME IN YEAR SIX THROUGH 10. ONE OF THE THINGS WE LOOKED AT, ARE INTEREST-EARNING, SO INTEREST RATES ARE HIGH AS WE LOOKED AT THE COST OF BORROWING, WE COMPARED THAT TO INFLATION, AND LOOKED AT HOW EFFICIENT FUNDING MIGHT BE TO MITIGATE FUTURE INFLATION RISK BY ACCELERATING PROJECTS. >> THE COUNTY HAS EXTORTED SICKLY PLEDGED REVENUES TO ACCELERATE THE TIMING PROJECT. IT IS SOMETHING THAT TYPICALLY -- IS VERY COMMON FOR COUNTY GOVERNMENT TO HAVE FUNDS IN PLACE AND TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THESE LARGE CAPITAL PROJECTS AND FORTUNATELY, THE FOR THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS, WE HAVE HAD SIGNIFICANT TAX REVENUE GROWTH TO OFFSET THE IMPACT OF INFLATION, BUT IT'S ALSO CREATED SOME NET CAPACITY. >> SOME OF THE SPECIFICS ON THE PLAN OF FINANCE FOCUS ARE REALLY AROUND HIS FIRE STATION PROJECTS, YOU KNOW, POTENTIAL ADMINISTRATION BUILDINGS. 55 MILLION ARE LISTED HERE AND THEN THERE'S ALSO A LIBRARY PROJECT TO GET US TO 65 MILLION. AS YOU CAN SEE THE COMMENTS, THESE ARE ALL CLOSE, IF NOT READY TO BE CONSTRUCTED. BUT THEY ARE UNFUNDED AT THE MOMENT. >> THE OVERALL GOAL IS TO MOVE THESE PROJECTS FORWARD, THROUGH A FUNDING PLAN IF THAT'S THE BOARD'S INTENT, TO GO AHEAD AND FUND THE THIN CURRENT INTEREST RATE ENVIRONMENT, AHEAD OF INFLATION, AND THE PRESSURES THAT ARE PROJECTED TO CONTINUE. >> THE ANALYSIS WE SHOWED WAS VERY GRANULAR AND HOW MUCH YOU CAN FUND TODAY VERSUS FUN IN THE FUTURE WITH CASH. IF YOU ACCELERATE PROJECTS WITH THAT, YOU DO HAVE THE ABILITY TO FUND ADDITIONAL 48.5 MILLION WITHIN THAT SCENARIO. THERE'S SOME AMORTIZE PRINCIPAL, AND AGAIN THERE IS SOME INFLATION SAVINGS IF YOU HAVE AN INFLATION ASSUMPTION. >> THIS IS THE SIGNIFICANT SALES TAX GROWTH THAT WE DISCUSSED JUST A FEW MINUTES AGO, IT'S ABOUT DOUBLED IN THE LAST 10 YEARS SO THIS IS NOT A UNCOMMON THING ACROSS THE STATE THEM USING A LOT OF GROWTH, A LOT OF MOVEMENT IN THE COUNTY, THERE IS SIGNIFICANT INCREASE IN HOME SALES, AND PRICES, SO INFLATION HELPS SALES TAX REVENUE AND THINGS THAT COST MORE, SO THAT IS AN INHERENT BENEFIT THERE. >> WE'VE DISCUSSED THREE DIFFERENT SCENARIOS. THERE'S A $10 MILLION SCENARIO JUST TO PROVIDE A BASELINE ASSUMPTION ON WHAT $10 MILLION OF OUR MONEY WOULD COST, AND PAY, AND WE LOOKED AT TWO DIFFERENT STRUCTURES FOR A $60 MILLION SCENARIO TO FUND EVERYTHING. >> AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, LAYERED ON TOP OF THESE CURRENT SALES TAXES, AND THE CURRENT CELL TAX GOES THROUGH 2039 WHICH IS WHY WE STRUCTURED THIS, THERE'S A SLIGHT INCREASE OF ABOUT 900,000 PER YEAR WHEN YOU HAVE $10 MILLION BORROWED. >> AS YOU CAN SEE THE COVERAGE RATIO HERE, IS SIGNIFICANT. AT 3.4 TIMES SO, THAT IS THE GOOD SOLID LINE OF CREDIT, TYPICALLY WE SEE CREDIT AT TWO TIMES A BETTER COVERAGE IN THE AA CREDIT SPACE. >> THIS SCENARIO HERE SHOWS WHAT THAT TEN-YEAR -- THE $10 MILLION OF DEBT PLUS ADDITIONAL 55 MILLION BORROWED OVER 30 YEAR TERM. SO IT'S VERY COMMON TO MATCH THE LIFE OF YOUR ASSETS WITHIN THAT TERM , SO THIS IS A SCENARIO THAT SIMPLY SHOWS 10 MILLION OVER THE CURRENT TERM, WITH 55 MILLION OVER CURRENT TERM TO MATCH THE LIFE OF THE ASSETS PRIMARILY THE FIRE STATIONS. >> AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, COVERAGE IS ABOUT 2 1/2 TIMES, AND THAT GOES UP , YOU KNOW, IN THIS, THERE IS AN ASSUMPTION THAT THERE IS REVENUE OTHER THAN THE SALE SURTAX OR AN EXTENDED CELL TAX OR OTHER COUNTY REVENUES THAT WOULD PAY THE DEBT SERVICE PAST 2039. THE SCENARIO HERE BRINGS IT BACK INTO THE 2039 FINAL MATURE DATE DISCUSSION, THE REASON WHY WE WILL WITH THIS IS THERE'S A CONSERVATIVE NATURE TO HAVE COUNTIES MATCH ITS FINANCES WITH THE TAXES KNOWN [00:25:05] TO GO THROUGH 2039 TO ESTABLISH CREDIT. SO WE LOOKED AT THE FULL COST WOULD BE HER 2039 HORIZON, AND THIS IS THE FULLY LOADED 65 MILLION THAT'S +59. COVERAGE IS STILL SIGNIFICANT, BUT IT DOES GET CLOSE BY TWO TIMES. THAT LINE AT THE TOP IS THE CURRENT REVENUE LINE. AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, COMBINED AGGREGATE DEBT SERVICE WITH THE CURRENT SALES TAX OF 8.4 BILLION+ ADDITIONAL 5.7 MILLION, IS A TOTAL OF ABOUT 14.1 MILLION, THAT'S 2.2 TIMES COVERAGE AND THAT DOES FUND AN ADDITIONAL 55 MILLION OF PROJECTS IN TODAY'S DOLLARS. >> AS WE DISCUSSED WITH STAFF, SOME THE FINANCIAL BENEFITS ARE CIP DEMANDS OF GROWN AND INDISCERNIBLE ] OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS THE CURRENT NEEDS. FINANCING CRITICAL LONG-TERM CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS AROUSE THE COUNTY TO USE CASH TO FUND MORE PROJECTS. EACH 10 MILLION TO >> FOR CURRENT PROJECTS, YOU ARE ABLE TO LOCK IN CURRENT PRICING, SO $20 MILLION PROJECT TODAY, WITH INFLATION FUNDED IN YEAR SIX THROUGH 10, WOULD BE, 25 OR 30, SO LOCKING IN THAT CURRENT PRICING IS A BENEFIT. TO ACCELERATE THOSE PROJECTS, YOU CAN PUT THOSE PROJECTS IN SERVICE SOONER. AND SERVE THE NEEDS OF THE RESIDENCE, AND REDUCE THE ADDITIONAL INFLATION INCREASES, SO AS YOU HAVE FUTURE DELAYS, FUTURE INFLATION, THAT 6 TO 10 COULD BE ENDING UP AS 6 TO 15. >> YOU WOULD BE CAPITALIZING ON GENERATED CAPACITY, SO YOU ARE ESSENTIALLY USING GROWTH THAT HAS BEEN NATURALLY ABSORBED THROUGHOUT THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS, AND FROM THOSE FUTURE PROJECTS, AND INTEREST RATES ARE PRETTY LOW, DEPENDING ON THE 14 YEAR STRUCTURE VERSUS A 30 YEAR STRUCTURE, SOMEWHERE 3 1/4. >> I BELIEVE THAT'S IT. >> OH, HERE IS A SCHEDULE THAT IS VERY SIMILAR TO THE SCHEDULE WE WORKED THROUGH I THINK, THE SOLE SURVIVOR, OF THE NET PROCESS, BUT STAFF YOU KNOW, THEY REMEMBER GOING THROUGH THIS PROCESS, AND IT'S A 3 TO 5 MONTH PROCESS DEPENDING ON WHAT THE DEMANDS ARE FOR THE PROJECTS. >> WITH THAT, I'M HAPPY TO SAY QUESTIONS ON THE ANNOUNCERS, THE TIMING, THE MARKET, OR ANY OTHER THING. >> ANY QUESTIONS? I HAVE A COMMENT AND A QUESTION. I THINK YOU JUST ANSWERED IT, BUT THOSE FEDERAL RESERVES, ARE PREDICTED TO, I THINK IT MARCH, KEEP RATES THE SAME, BUT IN THE LONG TERM, LIKE 12 INFLATION, AND THE FEAR IS IF THEY DON'T REDUCE INTEREST RATES, IT COULD CAUSE A RECESSION OF SOME SORT. SO, I AGREE WITH YOUR REPORT ON PAGE 9 WITH PREDICT THE GREAT'S OF DEBT, BUT I HAD A QUESTION ABOUT -- ONCE WE GIVE YOU THE GO AHEAD, YOU SAID 3 TO 5 MONTHS, IS THAT WHAT IT IS? YEAH, 3 TO 5 MONTHS ON A NORMAL SCHEDULE, SO THAT WULD BE TO ACCESS THE CAPITAL MARKETS THROUGH POP-UP OFFERING. IF WE HAD IN THE SALARY SCHEDULE, MAYBE TO HAVE MONTH BUT MAYBE 6 TO 10 WEEKS. >> AND IS THERE A SWEET SPOT FOR MUNICIPAL BONDS, AND WERE NOT RELEGATED TO FUND INCOME IN THIS BRIEF, CORRECT? >> DECIDING DEBT, WHETHER IT BE BONDS OR PAID BONDS, THAT IS A GREAT QUESTION A GREAT DECISION, ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE LOOKED AT TREASURY MARKETS AND THE TECH RATES, BECAUSE A BANK LOAN IS SOMETHING YOU COULD LOOK AT FOR 2039 FINAL MATURITY, AND A BOND DEAL IS ALSO VERY EFFICIENT, THAT IS BASED ON THE SPACE OVER THE LAST SIX MONTHS WHERE THE RATIOS OF BEEN SUCH THAT TAXES HAVE BEEN ADVANTAGEOUS, SO HALF OF PERCEN MUCH AS THREE QUARTERS OF A PERCENT BY ISSUING PUBLIC MARKET. BUT THE COUNTY ARTIE HAS PUBLIC DEBT MISSED ISSUED. THERE WOULD BE TIME [00:30:06] FOR DISCLOSURES, THERE WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT LONGER LEAD TIME TO GET AGENCIES UP TO SPEED, BUT CERTAINLY IF IT WAS A SIZE ISSUE, IF TIM MILLION WAS A DIRECTION, OR 65, I THINK WE WOULD HAVE TO EVALUATE INCREASING COSTS FOR A PUBLIC DEAL VERSUS PRIVATE PLACEMENT, AND THEN, OF COURSE IT WOULD BE THE DECISION ONE DIRECTION OVER ANOTHER TOWARDS A BANK LOAN, BUT THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING WE WOULD COME BACK, WHEN WE ACTUALLY HAVE A PLAN OF FINANCE AND THE STRUCTURE RECOMMENDED, THEN WE WOULD COME BACK AND EXPLAIN WHAT THE PROS AND CONS ARE FOR THOSE DECISIONS. >> LEFT, AND I HAVE, AND I THINK, I KNOW THE ANSWER, BUT JUST FOR HOME VIEWERS, BONDING IS MUCH PREFERRED TOWARD CAPITAL PURCHASES, FIRE STATIONS AS OPPOSED TO A ROAD OR ANY OTHER OPTIONS, SO THAT'S WHY WE LIST ON PAGE 13, FIRE STATIONS, ANIMAL SERVICE BUILDINGS, THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT ANY BOND OR A MUNI BOND IS A GOOD OPTION THAN DEBT SERVICE. >> RIGHT. YEAH, WELL, WHEN WE GET INTO ESSENTIAL SERVICE, BORROWING, THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT, YOU KNOW, TO BORROW FOR PARK AS OPPOSED TO BORROWING FORWARD ESSENTIAL SERVICE, IT'S A DISTINCTION THAT INVESTORS MAKE AND HOW THEY APPROVE CREDIT SO, DOESN'T NECESSARILY CHANGE DRAMATICALLY THE INTEREST RATE THAT'S PAID, BUT IT IS YOU KNOW, IT DOES INCREASE AND ELEVATE THE NUMBER OF INVESTORS, AND THE DEMAND FOR PRICING. SO WE DO GET A BENEFIT THEY ARE. >> I KIND OF WANTED TO FOR THE PUBLIC LET PEOPLE KNOW WHY WE ARE EVEN DOING THIS, BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF MONEY TO THINK ABOUT. I'M SURE THERE'S SOME PEOPLE THAT KNOW, BUT, WE ARE FACED WITH HUGE INCREASED PRICES, WE ARE FACED WITH NEEDING QUITE A FEW FIRE STATIONS RIGHT NOW, WE DON'T HAVE THE MONEY TO GET IT, BECAUSE OF SUCH INCREASED COST, WE HAVE ROADS, WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH MONEY FOR SO THIS IS WHY WE ARE NEEDING TO LOOK AT THIS, AND YOU KNOW, IF WE WERE TO PUT IT OFF, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE PRICES ARE GOING TO EVEN DO IN THE FUTURE. WE DON'T KNOW -- THERE'S SO MUCH UNKNOWN, SO I JUST WANT TO THAT, THIS IS A HUGE THING FOR US TO LOOK AT, AND OUR COUNTY IS IN SUCH NEED RIGHT NOW, AND THIS IS A WAY WE ARE ABLE TO LOOK AT GETTING SOME -- DEFINITELY SOME FIRE STATIONS THAT ARE IN SUCH GREAT NEED WHICH WOULD BRING OUT THE MONEY TO GET OUR ROADS DONE. >> JUST TO AMPLIFY, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE IMPACT FEES FOR NEW DEVELOPMENTS, AND IF I'M THE ONLY HOUSE IN THE BLOCK, AND IS BURNING, I REALLY WANT SOMEBODY THERE TO PUT THE FIRE OUT. SO, WE HAVE TO BUILD A FIRE STATION AS ESSENTIAL SERVICES KIND OF BEFORE THE DEVELOPMENTS ARE FULLY DEVELOPED. EVEN THOUGH THE IMPACT THESE ARE PAID FOR THE ROADS, AND IMPACT FEES FOR FIRE STATION AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO THIS WOULD ALLOW US TO GET AHEAD OF THE PROBLEM , OR GET AHEAD OF THE SITUATION BEFORE IT'S A PROBLEM. >> TROY, I'D LIKE FOR YOU TO ANSWER THIS, BECAUSE YOUR LITTLE BIT BETTER AT TALKING ABOUT THE NEED, AS FAR AS IMPACT FEES, I REGULARLY, OF COURSE IN MY DISTRICT PEOPLE FEEL LIKE WE HAVE SO MANY HOUSES, AND WE DO. BUT THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT WE DON'T HAVE THE MONEY FOR ALL AS IMPACT SEEDS, YET. AND SO, THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND WHERE ALL THAT MONEY WENT, AND CAN YOU SPEAK TO THAT? A LITTLE BIT? >> I THINK THE FIRST THING IS, WE DIDN'T PLAN AN IMPACT FEE UNTIL JULY OF LAST YEAR. >> THAT WENT INTO EFFECT JUNE, JULY, JUNE, LAST YEAR, FOR ANY NEW HOUSE PERMIT AFTER THAT POINT. ANYTHING THAT WASN'T PERMITTED UNDER CONSTRUCTION BEFORE THEN, DIDN'T PAY AN IMPACT FEE. STARTING IN JUNE WE STARTED PAYING IMPACT FEES. BUT WHILE YOU'RE PAYING THAT FEE, YOU HAVE NOT GENERATED ANY MONEY AND IMPACT FEES TO THIS POINT COUNTYWIDE, TO BE USED TO DEVELOP SAY, A FIRE STATION. EACH OF THOSE IMPACT FEES ARE SEGREGATED INTO THEIR USE, IT'S NOT LIKE WE PAY ALL SIX IMPACT FEES AND WE CAN USE THEM FOR FIRE STATIONS, THE LAST THING WE CAN REMEMBER IS THAT WE CAN ONLY PAY FOR THE INCREASE IN CAPACITY THAT'S GENERATED BY THAT NEW DEVELOPMENT. FOR EXAMPLE, WHEN WE BUILD A FIRE STATION LIKE 15, WE CAN ONLY PAY IMPACT FEES [00:35:06] FOR POTION OF THAT STATION THAT HAS INCREASED CAPACITY DUE TO GROWTH. SO ALL OF THOSE THREE COME INTO PLAY. YOU JUST HAVEN'T HAD THE IMPACT FEE LONG ENOUGH TO GENERATE THE MONEY TO PAY FOR THOSE SERVICES THAT YOU NEED TODAY. >> I THINK THEY'RE ALSO THINKING OF A MOBILITY FEE WHICH WE DID HAVE, BUT THAT IS MORE FOR ROADS. SO, THEY KNOW THAT THEY MOVED IN, THEY HAD TO PAY A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF MONEY, BUT THEY DIDN'T VOTE TO TALK ABOUT IT. >> THANK YOU. ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? >> CHAIR. THANKS. >> SO, WE KNOW THAT WE ARE IN A PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION YEAR. ARE YOU ABLE TO LOOK BACK AND SEE THE KIND OF TRANCE THAT WE HAVE AND THAT, BECAUSE IT'S USUALLY A LITTLE BIT MORE, ALTHOUGH I THINK, PEOPLE ARE LITTLE EDGY ABOUT WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IN NOVEMBER EVEN THOUGH WE GO THROUGH IT EVERY FOUR YEARS, WHAT IS YOUR THOUGHT ON IT AS WE GET CLOSER TO ELECTION, IS IT NOT SUCH A GOOD TIME. >> FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE WE DON'T LIKE TO CALL THE MARKET. ELECTION TIME IS VERY MUCH A CALL THE MARKET -TYPE OPPORTUNITY . SO, VEGAS STYLE INVESTING IS SORT OF IN PLAY, SO THERE'S GOING TO BE ODDSMAKERS, THAT THESE CERTAIN POLICYMAKERS WILL HAVE THIS TYPE OF INFLUENCE ON THE ECONOMY, AND RESULTED THIS TYPE OF LONG-TERM UNIT, POLICY GOING FORWARD TO IMPACT OUR ECONOMY. WE DO NOT RECOMMEND ANY ISSUES PLAN ON ISSUING CLOSE TO THAT ELECTION, SO BY EARLY OCTOBER, WE WILL SEE A SLOWDOWN IN ACTIVITY. IN THE PRIMARY MARKET, AND THAT WILL LIKELY IN CONTINUE UNTIL NOVEMBER UNTIL AFTER THANKSGIVING HOLIDAYS. UNLESS THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT RALLY, SO THERE COULD BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR FOLKS TO HAVE A DEAL THAT'S GEARED UP WHEN THAT STARTS HAPPENED THAT THEY CAN ACCESS THE MARKET , BUT THAT IS NOT A STRATEGY WE WOULD SUGGEST FOR A LONG-TERM PLAN, AS YOU ALL WOULD HAVE. IF THERE WERE ISSUES TWO OR THREE SERIES OF PUBLIC IN THE YEAR, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT COULD BUILD INTO A DISCUSSION. OUR RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE TO LOOK TO THOSE THAT HAVE THAT. THE COUPON ROSE IN JUNE OR JULY IS A GOOD TIME FOR FLORIDA ISSUERS TO ACCESS THE MARKET AHEAD OF US, SO WE WOULD SUGGEST TO HAVE A SCHEDULE THAT GETS US DONE IN CLOSE BEFORE THE THAT WOULD BE AN ISSUE. >> SO, A RECOMMENDED TIMEFRAME THAT YOU PUT FORTH IN PRESENTATION, WOULD BE ASSUMED AS A FORECAST? >> WELCOME AS I ALWAYS SAY, MONEY IS CHEAPER NOW THAN IT WILL BE IN THE FUTURE. SO, IF YOU ARE BORROWING MONEY, I GO TO QUITE A FEW A MEETINGS GATHERINGS AND PEOPLE ALWAYS ARE TALKING ABOUT HOW THEY ARE GLAD CLAY COUNTY HAS LITTLE DEBT, AND HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE A MORTGAGE AND LOANS, SO AS LONG AS YOU DO IT IN A REASONABLE WAY AND YOUR SPENDING AND IN A ROBBER FASHION BUILDING THESE FACILITIES WOULD BE, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYTHING WRONG WITH IT. CERTAINLY THE DEMAND IS THERE FOR THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT THESE DOLLARS WOULD PAY FOR. MY FINAL QUESTION, IS THE CHART, WE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT IT, BUT MAYBE THIS CHART DOES NOT TOTALLY -- BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT THE FIRE STATIONS COST MORE THAN THE 7 MILLION, BUT THAT IS NOT COUNTING IN THE IMPACT FEES? >> TRAVEL PAY FOR SALES TAX, TRYING TO SHOW OFF AT HOTEL SEX VERSUS SALES TAX BECAUSE THE FIRE STATION WOULD BE PAID FROM IMPACT FEE DOLLARS WHICH, IF YOU DECIDED THAT HE WANTED TO DO SOME KIND OF MUNICIPAL FINANCES, THAT IMPACT FEE CAN BE USED TO PAY OFF THAT DEBT. CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT IT IS STILL RELATIVE FOR THE MONEY AS LONG AS WE MEET THE IMPACT OF STUDY. THE NUMBERS YOU SEE IN THEIRS TO FINANCE THE FORCE AND COMING OUT OF YOUR CIP TO SHOW YOU WHAT YOU WOULD FREE UP FROM CIP TO FINANCE A PROJECT. THE BOTTOM LINE IS A 65 MILLION, THAT'S MONEY THAT'S COMING THAT WE OFFSET FROM THE CIP. RIGHT. SO IF YOU TAKE -- HOW MUCH MORE WOULD IT ACTUALLY COST US TO BUILD ITS FACILITIES. I THINK WE ARE AVERAGING RIGHT NOW, ABOUT 11 MILLION FOUR EACH FIRE STATION. 12? AVERAGING 12 MILLION PER FIVE STATION. SO YOU COULD SAY, AND GET A BILL BEFORE FIRE STATIONS, $40 MILLION PLUS IF YOU WANT TO FINANCE THE ANIMAL SHELTER, [00:40:05] THAT'S ANOTHER 15, SO THAT WOULD BE 363 US, AND THAT WOULD FREE UP THE REST OF YOUR CIP FOR YOU TO DO OTHER THINGS. IF YOU WANT TO SAY I WANT TO PAY AS I GO FOR THE ANIMAL SHELTER AND AT THE LIBRARY ON, AGAIN, I THINK THAT'S A BOARD DECISION OF HOW YOU WANT TO DO IT. BUT THE FIRE STATION, THAT WOULD GET YOU TO 60 MILLION, AND THAT'S REALLY ALL, AND WHAT IS THE BEST DIRECTION OF FREEING UP THE RESOURCES. I KNOW THERE'S ANOTHER PROJECT THAT WE ARE DEPENDING ON FOR THE 8 1/2 MILLION THAT WE ARE GOING TO NEED TO CLOSE THAT GAP OF 220 GRANT, SO AGAIN, FINANCE CERTAIN THINGS, MAYBE THAT FREES UP THE MONEY TO DO THE PROJECT. >> DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? >> RIGHT. WOULD ONLY BE ABLE TO AFFORD TO DO FOUR OF THE FIRE STATIONS IF WE WERE TAKING OUT OF A BOND ISSUE OF 65 MILL? >> YOU COULD DO FIVE FIRE STATIONS, BUT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO DO THE LIBRARY? OR THE ANIMAL SHELTER, YOU WOULD HAVE TO USE THE MONEY YOU'RE FREEING UP OUT OF YOUR CIP AND THAT WOULD BE A BOARD DECISION IF YOU DECIDED TO PURSUE FINANCING, IT WOULD BE A BOARD DECISION OF WHICH PROJECTS ARE AMORTIZED WHERE? >> MY ONLY CONCERN, AND EXPRESSES BEFORE SETTING DON'T WANT TO HAMPER OR HANDCUFF FUTURE BOARDS IN TERMS OF PUTTING THEM IN A SITUATION BASED ON NEEDS. WE GOT A JAIL WE GOT TO WORRY ABOUT, AND PUBLIC SAFETY BUILDING, SHERIFF, AND FIRE ADMIN, THAT'S GOT TO BE BUILT. SO, I THINK THAT'S GOT TO BE FACTORED INTO WHERE THOSE MONEY COME FROM AS WELL, BECAUSE THOSE ARE GOING TO BE BIG TICKET ITEMS, RIGHT? BUT, YOU KNOW, I'LL GO BACK TO 2020. AND THE JOY WE FELT WHEN WE CLOSE, AND WE DID SO WELL IN TERMS OF THE BOND, THAT WENT ALL THE WAY, AND WORK SHUTDOWN THREE DAYS LATER. AND WE COME OUT THE OTHER SIDE IN PRETTY GOOD SHAPE. OBVIOUSLY WE ARE IN THE MIDST OF THE BOND TRANSPORTATION PROJECT. >> SO, I THINK WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING AND ONE LAST THING, IS THAT THE MONIES THAT WE DID BE USING TO BUY THAT, WOULD BE PAID FOR BY THOSE FUTURE PEOPLE , RESIDENTS THAT WOULD BE MOVING TO CLAY COUNTY BECAUSE THEY WOULD BE PAYING THE SALES TAX AT THE TIME THEY GET HERE. SO I THINK THAT'S FAIR, AND ALSO ALSO BE BASED ON THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE COMING IN. >> SAID, I'M IN FAVOR OF IT. I THINK IT JUST HAS TO BE WORKED OUT AS TO WHAT WE THINK IS THE MOST IMPORTANT OF THE PROJECT. OF COURSE, FIRE STATIONS ARE AT THE TOP OF THE LIST, BUT IT JUST BECOMES A QUESTION ON THE LIST OF WHICH NUMBER WE GOING THROUGH. ARENA AFFORD SOMETHING ELSE TO BUY SOMETHING OF SMALLER SO I GUESS THAT WOULD BE UP TO US TO MAKE THAT DETERMINATION THROUGH SOME DEBATE AND FURTHER RESEARCH. >> I THINK THE OTHER BUILDING THAT WE HAVE A GAP WITH IS THE BURN BUILDING, AND BURN BUILDING, IS SIGNIFICANT AND YOU COULD PROBABLY SPEAK TO THIS MORE AND CHECK ME IF I GET THE LANGUAGE RIGHT, BUT THAT BURN BUILDING, GIVES US A MUCH BETTER WHOLE CATEGORY BETTER ISO READING WHICH AFFECTS HOMEOWNERS INSURANCE FOR EVERYONE IN THE COUNTY, SO IT'S SIGNIFICANT AND THE TRAINING OF OUR PUBLIC SAFETY STAFF AS WELL AS OUR HOMEOWNER RATES. SO I THINK THAT IT'S A GAP OF ONE POINT 1 MILLION, 1.2 MILLION ? SO, WE MAY WANT TO CONSIDER THAT, AS WELL. THAT AFFECTS EVERY RESIDENT THAT OWNS PROPERTY IN THE COUNTY. >> WHAT WAS THE ESTIMATED COST ON THE BURN BUILDING? I'VE FORGOTTEN. DID YOU GET THIS SHEET? I DON'T HAVE IT IN FRONT OF ME, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S THE SAME. IS THIS NOT THE SAME? >> YEAH. >> YEAH, WE BUDGETED ORIGINALLY 2.9. >> SO 1.2 MILLION YEAH. >> ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? THANK YOU , VERY MUCH, WE HAVE A LOT TO THINK ABOUT. A LOT OF MOVING PARTS TO THIS. >> SO I GUESS TONIGHT, WE'RE KINDA LOOKING FOR DIRECTION FROM THE BOARD, DO YOU WANT US TO PROCEED DOWN THIS PATH, NOT A VOTE, BUT A CONSENSUS IS THIS WHAT KIND OF RANGE YOU WANT US TO LOOK AT IF YOU DO DECIDE TO PROCEED DOWN THIS PATH? >> I'M NOT IN THE 65 MILLION [00:45:02] RANGE, >> I HAVE A QUESTION. IF WE DO THAT, THEN WHAT, DO WE KNOW HOW MUCH MONEY IT FREES UP FOR THE BURN BILLING, OR THAT AVALON SCIENCE OR ANYTHING? >> IT WOULD DEPEND ON WHAT PROJECTS YOU DECIDE TO DO, IF YOU SAY WERE TO FINANCE THE FOUR FIRE STATIONS WE HAVE IN THERE WE CAN COME BACK TO YOU AND TELL YOU HOW MUCH OF THE IP THAT'S GOING TO TAKE OFF. IF YOU SAY, HEY I WANT TO ADD A FIFTH FIRE STATION WITH A LIBRARY WELL, THOSE AREN'T CURRENTLY BUDGETED PROJECTS IN YOUR FIVE YEARS, STILL A PROJECT THAT YOU WANT TO GET DONE, BUT IF THAT'S NOT TO FREE UP CIP DOLLARS, IS GOING TO ADD ANOTHER PROJECT TO THE CAPACITY, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. >> I THOUGHT, THE MEDIA WAS SAYING FIVE FIRE STATIONS. >> WE HAVE FIVE IN THE BUDGET. SO, WE HAVE FIVE IN THE BUDGET, THE FIFTH ONE STARTS IN YEAR FIVE. SO, IT DEPENDS ON HOW YOU WORK, I'M SORRY. >> THE FIFTH ONE IS REALLY STARTS FINANCING IN 2526 2727 28, AND THAT ONE CURRENTLY YEAH, YOU'D BE A $10 MILLION, SO IT'S CAN HAVE A SHORTFALL, AND IF YOU WAIT TO BUILD IT FOR THREE YEARS AS THE CHIEF SAID, AT 12 MANY, AND PROBABLY BE MORE THAN 12 MEN, SO REALLY IT'S GOING TO DEPEND ON WHICH PROJECTS YOU TELL US TO PULL OUT IN WHICH PROJECTS WE DO HOW MUCH IT WILL FREE UP. >> I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT. I WOULD SAY, WE SAY WE WANT TO DO SIX 5 MILLION, THEN WHAT DOES THAT MEAN AS FAR AS THE OTHER PROJECTS THAT AREN'T IN THAT? I MEAN, REALLY, BECAUSE I CAN'T SEE IT. I DON'T KNOW HOW TO DO THAT. >> WE CERTAINLY CAN DO THAT, RIGHT? WE GIVE DIRECTIONS AND SAY WE WOULD LIKE TO GO IN AND SEE ABOUT 55 MILLION, THE YOU WORK A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT WAYS AND THEN SHOW US WHAT THE CIP REMAINS, AND WHAT WE COULD DO AFTER THAT? I THINK THAT'S DOABLE? RIGHT? >> WHAT WE COULD DO IS LOOK AT THE PUBLIC SAFETY SIDE OF IT, AND SAY 65 MILLION WE WOULD TAKE AND FINANCE ALL THE FIRE STATIONS AND THE BURN BUILDING HOW MUCH DOES THAT COST, HOW MUCH DOES THAT GIVE YOU, IS 65 MILLION WHAT YOU NEED TO FINANCE ALL THE FIRE STATIONS IN THE BURN BUILDINGS? AND THEN THAT FREES UP THE CIP, AND I CAN ALSO TELL YOU BASED ON PROJECTIONS WHAT WE CAN BRING IN EVERY YEAR ON IMPACT FEES THAT WE COULD LICK OVER TO LOOK OVER, AND HAVE AMY HELP ME WORK OUT A MODEL, AND JUST SAY THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE TO PAY OUT OF CELL TEXAN IMPACT FEES AND COME BACK TO YOU AND SAY TO YOUR POINT, THIS IS HOW MUCH WE THINK WE COULD FREE UP, THEN YOU WOULD HAVE X DOLLARS PER YEAR FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS, A FREED UP CIP DOLLARS THAT YOU CAN USE FOR WHATEVER PROJECT . MONEY FOR THE G-20 THING, I MEAN, WE HAVE TO, BECAUSE THE D.O.T. -- IF YOU WANT TO PROCEED WITH THAT PROJECT YOU'D NEED TO FIND 8 1/2 TO $9 MILLION THAT WOULD HAVE TO COME OUT OF CIP THAT WOULD NOT BE ADVANTAGEOUS TO PUT IN THE BOND. NO, I'M SAYING THAT WOULD FREE UP MONEY FOR THAT. YEAH, I WOULD REALLY LIKE THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, TO SEE IT ON PAPER. WE HAVE A LOT OF DIFFERENT OPTIONS. >> IF THAT IS THE BOARD'S DIRECTION, NO PROBLEM. I WORK WITH THE TEAM TO COME UP WITH SOME OPTIONS. >> I DO WANT TO GO THIS DIRECTION. >> SANDRA, DO YOU HAVE ANY DESIRES ON THIS? >> I AM COMFORTABLE WITH THIS EXPLORING THE OPTIONS WE HAVE YEAH, THAT'S GOOD. >> SAME. >> DO YOU HAVE ENOUGH DIRECTION? YES SIR, THANK YOU. >> TONIGHT WE HAVE OUR CLERK OF COURTS, MR. GREEN HERE, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING? >> I HAVE TWO QUICK UP DATES. THE FIRST ONE IS ON THE 2023 AUDIT, JUST A QUICK UP DATE THAT IT IS ON TRACK. WE HAVE A SUPERVISOR ELECTION, PROPERTY APPRAISER TAX COLLECTOR COMPLETED, MY OFFICE TURNED IN TRIAL BALANCES LAST WEEK, SO WE ARE ON TRACK TO MEET THE DEADLINE, AND THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE I BELIEVE FINISHED OR IS FINISHING THEIR FINANCIAL STATEMENTS THIS WEEK. SO THAT PUTS US ON TRACK FOR THE TARGET DATE OF MARCH 28TH, BARRING NO SLOW UP ON THE AUDITORS AND, WHICH WE DON'T FORESEE. AND WE HAVE BEEN ON THE WEEKLY WHEN DAVE CALLS, WITH KEEPING [00:50:01] EVERYBODY ON TRACK, YOU KNOW, WE WANTED TO GET IT DONE BY END OF MARCH, BUT WE HAVE SUNDAY GOOD FRIDAY, SO WE HAVE BUMPED IT UP TO THE 28TH. >> I TELL YOU THAT BECAUSE THIS YEAR, AS I PROMISED AND PUSHED AMY FOR OVER AND OVER, WE ARE GOING TO PRODUCE AN ANNUAL CAPRI IS A FINANCIAL REPORT . IT'S BEEN DONE IN THE PAST. WE FOUND SOME REALLY REALLY OLD ONES GOING TO THE RECORDS, BUT WE ARE BRINGING THAT BACK, AND THE REASON WE ARE BRINGING A BACK BECAUSE IF YOU JUST LOOK AT FINANCIAL STATION THEY ARE EYE CHARTS AND VERY CONFUSING. THEY MEAN NOTHING TO ANYBODY BUT THE ARBITRATOR TO BE FRANK. THE ANNUAL COMPREHENSIVE FINANCIAL REPORT IS A BUILDING BLOCK TO GET US TO THE POPULAR ANNUAL FINANCIAL REPORT KNOWN AS THE PUBLIC ANNUAL FINANCIAL REPORT. WHAT THAT REPORT DOES IS CONDENSES DOWN INTO UNDERSTANDABLE TERMS OF FINANCIAL BUSINESS OF THE COUNTY. AND SO, IT'S A GOOD TOOL TO USE IN THE PUBLIC FOR THOSE PEOPLE WHO YOU KNOW, REALLY DON'T HAVE EXTENSIVE BACKGROUND IN FINANCE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IS HAPPENING IN THE COUNTY, SO THIS REPORT WE ARE USING THIS YEARS AS A DRY RUN BEFORE WE LOSE AMY, BECAUSE AMY WILL BE RETIRING IN NOVEMBER UNFORTUNATELY. IF YOU COULD HELP ME CONVINCE HER TO SAY I WOULD REALLY APPRECIATE IT. SHE'S DONE HER GOOD JOB. SO WE CAN USE THIS YEAR AS OUR DRY RUN. I DON'T KNOW THAT WE WILL APPLY FOR ANY AWARDS, IT REALLY DEPENDS, BUT IT WILL GIVE US A TOOL TO PROVIDE FOR YOU GUYS TO LOOK AT, TO USE, AND GIVE US FEEDBACK AND THEN IF WE DON'T APPLY FOR AN AWARD THIS YEAR, WE WOULD DEFINITELY DO IT IN THE NEXT YEAR. JUST A QUICK UPDATE ON THAT. I CAN'T HELP BUT TO BRAG A LITTLE BIT, SOMETHING I'M VERY PROUD OF THAT WE FOUND OUT LAST WEEK, OUR OFFICE WAS DESIGNATED, AND RECEIVED A DESIGNATION AS A 2024 TOP WORKPLACE IN THE REGION. SO, I'M VERY PROUD OF THAT. THAT'S A REFLECTION OF THE PEOPLE IN MY OFFICE QUITE FRANKLY WHO ARE COMMITTED TO SERVING THE PUBLIC, WE WILL HAVE SOME -- IT WAS IN THE FLORIDA TIMES UNION LASTLY, THANK GOD NOBODY READS THE PAPER, NOBODY GOT TO SEE IT BECAUSE WE DIDN'T ANNOUNCE IT TO MY STAFF THIS MORNING, BUT THERE WERE 49 IN THE REGION THE QUALIFIED TO BE CONSIDERED, 23 MET THE REQUIREMENTS, AND OUR OFFICE RANKED NUMBER 11 FIRST TIME OUT. I WANTED TO SHARE THAT WITH YOU, AND SAM PROUD OF MY TEAM. AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE. >> THANK YOU, VERY MUCH. WE APPRECIATE THE WORKING RELATIONSHIP WE HAVE. AMY WHEN I TRIED TO RETIRE FROM THE NAVY, AND TWO YEARS THEY ALLOWED ME TO RETIRE, SO IT CAN HAPPEN TO YOU, TOO. SHERIFF COOK WASN'T ABLE TO BE WITH US TONIGHT BUT UNDER CHEVRON IS HERE, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING FOR US? >> HAPPY TO BE HERE. >> GREAT. WE ARE HAPPY YOU ARE HERE TOO. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I DON'T SEE ANYBODY ELSE [APPROVAL OF MINUTES] SEEING NO ONE ELSE, WE WILL MOVE ON, AND THE NEXT ITEM IS NUMBER THREE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FROM FEBRUARY 13TH MEETING. >> MOTION TO APPROVE ANY COMMENTS, QUESTIONS, CONCERNS, ALL IN FAVOR -- [PUBLIC COMMENTS] PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. I HAVE THREE ONTO PUBLIC COMMENTS, SO WE WILL OPEN UP PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD. MR. RAFAEL HINOJOSA. PRONOUNCE YOUR LAST NAME FOR ME? HINOJOSA, JUST LIKE IT SPELLED. >> GOOD AFTERNOON. THIS IS MY FIRST TIME EVER HERE, JUST A QUICK INTRO, I'VE BEEN A RESIDENT OF CLAY COUNTY 20 YEARS LIVING AT THE CURRENT ADDRESS THE WHOLE TIME. MY CHILDREN HAVE BEEN HIGH SCHOOL, HIGH SCHOOL, I'M A VETERAN, AND ALL I WANT TO LIVE IS A TRANQUIL LIFE IN THE PROPERTY THAT I'VE BEEN AT FOR THAT LONG. THE REASON I AM HERE BECAUSE OF A CONSTRUCTION SITE RIGHT NEXT DOOR ADJACENT TO OUR PROPERTY. IN A MATTER FACT, IT GOES DOWN ADJACENT TO ALL THE PROPERTIES ON SILVER CREEK COMMUNITY. I -- LET ME READ FOR MY STATEMENT SO I DON'T FORGET WHAT I'M GOING TO SAY. >> THERE'S CONSTRUCTION ACTIVITY FROM THE NORTH ADJACENT TO THE PROPERTIES INCLUDING MY OWN. AND IT'S JEOPARDIZING MY TRANQUILITY AND [00:55:08] MY PROPERTY VALUES, AND MY QUALITY OF LIFE FOR ME AND MY NEIGHBORS. I'M HERE TO DEFEND MY HOME FROM FLOOD HAZARD THAT IS BEING CREATED BY THE BUILT SIDE. FOR SOME REASON, THEY WERE APPROVED TO BUILD UP THEIR SITE UP TO 30 FEET, AND HEIGHT. MY PROPERTY THAT IS NEVER FLOODED BEFORE, SITS AT ABOUT 24 1/2 FEET, AS A MATTER FACT I MET WITH ERROL BLOWING FROM THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT, AND THEY WERE MEETING ME THERE AT MY REQUEST. BECAUSE I TOLD THEM HEY, YOU KNOW, I DON'T MIND DEVELOPMENTS HAPPENING ALL AROUND ME, BUT THE FACT THAT I LOOK OUT THE BACKSIDE, I WENT TO DO SOME YARD WORK AND I LOOK AT THE BACK AND THERE'S A DIRT MOUND THIS HIGH FROM WHERE THE GROUND IS TO BE. AND I'M LIKE, WHAT IS GOING ON, IT'S COMING UP LITERALLY WITHIN AN INCHES OF THE PROPERTY. ALL THAT WATER'S GOING TO JUST FLOW INTO MY PROPERTY. THEY ASSURED ME THAT MOST OF THE RAINWATER IS NOT GOING TO COME THIS WAY. BUT, I CAN SEE -- WHAT I'M SEEING DOESN'T JIVE WITH THEIR ASSURANCES AND THEIR ENGINEERING. I'M NOT SURE WHO APPROVED THAT LENNAR CAN BUILD UP THAT HIGH THAT CLOSE TO THE PROPERTY LINE. MY NEIGHBORS AND I HAVE TALKED ABOUT THIS, WE ALL AGREED THAT SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE DONE. WHEN I MET WITH THE ENGINEERING PERSON TODAY, THERE IS A RETENTION POND. THE RETENTION POND IS ABOUT 12 FEET AWAY FROM THE PROPERTY AND IS A LITTLE BIT FURTHER DOWN. I TOLD THEM, WHY IS IT THAT THE SAME ALL THE WAY DOWN, WHY IS LENNAR BEING ALLOWED TO BUILD ALL THE WAY TO THE EDGE AT THIS HEIGHT BUT I'M JUST HERE TO DEFEND MY PROPERTY, MY PROPERTY VALUE, MY QUALITY OF LIFE. THANK YOU. >> YOU HAVEN'T GIVEN US YOUR ADDRESS. >> YES, I CAN WRITE IT DOWN. >> OKAY. >> THANK YOU. >> NEXT WE HAVE WILLIAM JONES. BEEN A WHILE SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE SO, YOU HAVE MY ADDRESS, MY NAME. I'VE GOT VARIOUS QUESTIONS. WHO PAID FOR THE PARK ON 21? WAS THE COUNTY PEOPLE? WHO PAID FOR THE PARK ON STATE ROAD 21 >> AT YOU SPEAK INTO THE MICROPHONE? WHO PAID FOR THE PARK ON 21, WAS IT COUNTY TAXES, YOU GUYS, WHO PAID FOR THAT? >> WHAT ARE THE QUESTIONS DO YOU HAVE? OKAY, WHO PAID FOR THE GUN RANGE ON 215? AND ANOTHER ONE? I'LL GO TO THE NEXT QUESTION. >> OKAY, THE 56 A GALLON ON TAXES, FOR BUYING GAS, THERE'S A FIVE SYNTAX DERIVATIVE FOR PAVING ROADS. WHERE'S THAT MONEY AT? >> I MEAN, IF YOU CAN ANSWER, WILLING TO FIND OUT, BECAUSE I'VE BEEN ON MY STREET FOR 24 YEARS. WHEN I BOUGHT MY HOUSE, APPARENTLY I WAS LIED TO. I DO HAVE A PAVED ROAD IN TWO YEARS. NOW I MET 24 YEARS, AND THEY DON'T GRADE THE ROAD, THEY PLOW THE ROAD. TOTALLY DIFFERENT PROCESS. OKAY? SO IF YOU HAVE AN ANSWER FOR THE FIVE CENTS, STOP RIGHT THERE, AND GO TO MY NEXT QUESTION AFTERWARDS. >> THERE'S MUCH MORE THAN FIVE CENTS THAT HER TAX ON EACH GALLON OF GASOLINE, BUT IF YOU TALK ABOUT THE FIGHTS THAT WE IMPLEMENTED BACK IN 2015, THOSE GO TO THE TRUST FUND FOR TRANSPORTATION WHICH THEN GETS TRANSLATED TO ROAD REPAIR, OR ROAD CONSTRUCTION, THAT'S THE ONLY TWO THINGS THAT CAN GO TO. >> WHEN IT WAS DONE, WAS SPECIFIED FOR SPECIFIED FOR PAVING ROADS, THAT IS ONE OF THE AREAS YOU CAN USE IT ON. >> OKAY, I CAN ASSURE YOU WE [01:00:02] CAN SPEND A LOT MORE THAN THAT ON PAVING ROADS. I KNOW, I HAVE BEEN NUMBER SEVEN FOR I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY YEARS. >> I DON'T KNOW THE STREETS, SO I CAN'T -- OVERLAPPING SPEAKERS ] DONE THAT. THE GRADING IS A PLOW, IT'S NOT A GRADE. WHEN YOU GRADE, YOU'RE SCRAPING THE TOP TRYING TO LEVEL, SMOOTH OUT, ANGLE, AND MAKE IT SO IT DRAINS. I PUT A TWO FOOT POLIDENT IN THE CENTER OF THE ROAD AND COME BACK IN AND SPREAD IT OUT. THAT IS WHAT THEY DO, NOW. THAT'S PLOWING, THAT'S NOT GRADING. >> THE OTHER PARTIES, AS SOON AS THEY DO IT, WELL, TWO WEEKS AGO WHEN IT RAINED, A FRIEND LEFT MY HOUSE AND HAD TO USE FOUR-WHEEL-DRIVE TO GO DOWN THE ROAD. >> WHEN IT RAINED BEFORE, THE SCHOOL BOARD, NO BUSES ON THE DIRT ROADS BECAUSE IT'S UNSAFE. >> BUT I HAVE TO DRIVE DOWN. OTHER PEOPLE HAVE TO DRIVE DOWN IT. SO, WHERE'S THE SAFETY CONCERN? >> THANK YOU, INTO SO YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THE QUESTIONS YOU ASKED, LENGTHY EXPLANATIONS. >> I HAVE ANY DAY OF THE WEEK, ANY DAY YOU WANT TO TALK. >> I RECOMMEND YOU CALL YOUR COMMISSIONER AND GET THOSE LENGTHY EXPLANATIONS. >> CHANCES ARE GOOD IT'S ME. I HAVE 75 PERCENT OF THE DIRT ROADS IN THE COUNTY, SO I'M GUESSING. >> I AM YOUR COMMISSIONER. >> FEEL FREE TO CALL ME. DO YOU HAVE A CARD, WILL WALK AROUND AND GET A CARD FROM YOU. >> IT'S COMPLEX DISCUSSION WHEN WE TALK ABOUT FUNDING ANY -- THERE ISN'T ONE FUN, I KNOW, THEY ARE ALL UNFUNDED, I KNOW THAT. IF YOU CAN FIND THE LIST, THAT'S HARD TO FIND ON YOU GUYS IS WEBPAGE. >> THE OTHER QUESTION I HAVE, IS MAKE IT BRIEF. >> IT WILL BE. >> I CALLED THE SHERIFF'S FOUR WHEELERS, DIRT BIKES, TEARING UP THE ROAD RIGHT AFTER THEY PLOW IT. AND I GET, WHAT YOU NEED TO CALL TRAFFIC, BECAUSE THAT'S TRAFFIC. ALL I WANT IS THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT TO BE OUT THERE COUPLE TIMES A WEEK AND RIDE DOWN THE DIRT ROAD, GIVE THEM A TICKET NOT PULL THEM OFF, WAIT FOR MOM AND DAD TO COME PICK HIM UP, LET MOM AND DAD FEEL THE PAIN OF THOSE TICKETS. I KNOW THAT PAIN. >> THAT'S A VERY EXPENSIVE 7 TO 8 TICKETS. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> MR. JONES? SHE HAD TO RUN TO GET IT . OH, SHE WENT TO HER OFFICE TO GET IT, SHE DIDN'T HAVE ANY HERE. CHARLES HODGES? GOOD EVENING, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, I LIVE IN KEYSTONE HEIGHTS OFF OF COUNTY ROAD 15 SOUTHEAST RIGHT BEFORE THE PUTNAM LINE. AS A MATTER FACT, THIS IS OUR COMMISSIONER. >> I'VE GOT A PROBLEM I NEED YOUR HELP WITH. I'VE ASKED FOR SHERIFF DEPARTMENT HELP AND I HAVEN'T HAD SUCCESS. RIGHT IN FRONT OF OUR HOME IS A 45 MILE AN HOUR SPEED LIMIT, WE HAVE SPEED TRUCKS THAT ARE COMING OUT HAVE MADE CUT THROUGH UP THROUGH 15 TO BLANDON BOULEVARD WHICH IS A SCHOOL ZONE. WE DON'T HAVE COPS IN OUR SCHOOLS ON BECAUSE WE ONLY HAVE TWO COPS IN KEYSTONE. ANYWAYS LATELY WE HAD THE BIGGEST CONVERSATIONS ABOUT WELL ANOTHER ONE HIT THE GUARDRAIL AND TOWARD THE GUARD RAIL OUT. SEMI TRUCKS KEEP HITTING IT AGAIN. IT'S GOTTEN SO BAD THAT OUR EMPLOYEES COME TO OUR SHOP AND WE RECOMMEND THAT THEY DON'T, WE ARE AFRAID THEY'RE GOING TO GET RUN OVER. THE MEDIAN AGE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD IS ABOUT 70 YEARS OLD. LITERALLY, I THINK YOU WOULD AGREE WHEN YOU PULL OUT OF MY DRIVEWAY, YOU LOOKED LEFT, YOU LOOK RIGHT, YOU HIT THE GAS PEDALS FAST AS YOU CAN BECAUSE YOU'RE FACING A SAND TRUCK. YOU'VE DONE A GREAT JOB OF WIDENING AND PAVING OUR ROAD, THAT HAS TURNED INTO A COMMERCIAL ROAD. THE SAD PART, WHEN IT'S DEGRADED AND DESTROYED, WHERE WILL WE GET THE MONEY. THE PLANTS ARE [01:05:03] GOING TO PITCH IN ON THIS. IF WE CAN'T GET ANY HELP FROM YOU GUYS TO AT LEAST TRY TO SLOW IT DOWN OR SOMETHING, CAN WE CHANGE THE SPEED LIMIT OR SOMETHING TO MAKE IT MORE INCONVENIENT FOR THOSE GUYS TO GO THROUGH THERE, BECAUSE IT'S LITERALLY THE WILD WILD WEST. I THINK THERE FIVE GUARD RAILS TORE OFF OF THE ROAD IN THE LAST SEVEN MONTHS, ONE PERSON KILLED, WERE TALKING ABOUT 18 WHEELERS 55 FOOT LONG TRUCKS LOADED WITH SAND THAT STARTS AT 4:00 IN THE MORNING. I'VE GOT A COUPLE OF VIDEOS I'M GLAD TO SHOW IF ANYBODY WANTS TO LOOK AT, THEIR AVERAGE SPEED IS 75 TO 80, THAT'S OVER 45 MILES AN HOUR OVER THE SPEED LIMIT WE NEED HELP. WHEN OUR NEIGHBORS GET KILLED BY THIS, THE SHERIFF SAID A COUPLE GUYS A COUPLE DAYS IN THE SHORT ANSWER I GOT WAS WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH STAFF, WELL YOU HAVE RAISED OUR TAXES YOU'VE RAISED OUR TAXES AND WE WANT SOME SERVICES TO SHOW THOSE TAXES SPENT . I COME TO YOU GUYS FOR HELP SO PLEASE GIVE ME SOME IDEAS WHAT YOU CAN DO TO HELP WITH THIS. >> THANK YOU. >> THE LAST CARD I HAVE IS MATTHEW O'BERRY. HELLO. MY NAME IS MATTHEW O'BERRY I'M FROM KEYSTONE HEIGHTS, FLORIDA. MY PROBLEM IS WITH CODE ENFORCEMENT, BECAUSE THINGS LIKE THAT ABOUT THE HOUSE IS OUT THERE THAT HAVE BEEN INUNDATED WITH TRASH THAT IS BEEN THERE FOR YEAR, AND IF YOU GO IN THE CODE ENFORCEMENT WEBSITE, THE ONE I'M REFERRING TO, THEY HAVE BEEN HAVING CODE ENFORCEMENT SINCE 1996 AND ACCUMULATED OVER $1 MILLION IN TAX LIENS ON THE PROPERTY. AT THIS POINT, RIGHT NOW, YOU CAN EVEN SEE THAT THEY ARE GOING TO CLEAN IT UP, BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT TO PAY $1 MILLION TO FIX A PROBLEM, I'M NOT TO GET THEM TO FIX A PROPERTY UP. JUST GOING THROUGH THE WHOLE AREA OF KEYSTONE IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S A LOT OF HOUSES THAT ARE BEEN THERE FOR 10 AND 20 YEARS, AND I FEEL SORRY FOR THE NEIGHBORS, OR THE ONES THAT WANT THEM TO CLEAN UP THE PROPERTY, BUT THEY CALL CODE ENFORCEMENT CODE ENFORCEMENT SAYS THEY TAKE PICTURES, THEY GO IN THERE, AND IF THEY DON'T FIX IT IN SO MANY DAYS, THEY PUT LIENS ON THE PROPERTY. BUT IF YOU'VE GOT PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE FOR 20 AND 30 AND 40 YEARS, WHAT HAPPENS TO THE NEIGHBORS PROPERTY VALUE? IT GOES DOWN WHILE THE FINES GO UP. SO I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT CAN CODE ENFORCEMENT DUE IF THESE PEOPLE HAVE GENERATIONAL HOARDING GOING ON, WHAT CAN WE DO TO PUSH ALONG THE PROBLEM FOR THEM TO CLEAN UP THEIR PROPERTY. I MEAN, I SEE A BUNCH OF NEW DEVELOPMENT GOING ON AROUND HERE, BUT WHAT'S GOING ON 20 TO 30 YEARS OF GARBAGE IS NOT BEING PICKED UP? THAT IS IT. THANK YOU. >> YOU ARE NOT ALONE, WE HAVE SEVERAL PROPERTIES LIKE THAT IN THE COUNTY AND UNFORTUNATELY, WE HAVE LAWS THAT WE HAVE TO OBEY AND ONE OF THE LOSSES DEALING WITH HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION. AND IF THIS IS A HOMESTEAD PROPERTY, ALL WE CAN DO IS VIOLATE THEM, FIND THEM, AND THEN PUT A LIEN AGAINST THE PROPERTY AND JUST LET IT CLICK. >> I DIDN'T FINISH YET. IN ADDITION TO OTHER LEGAL THINGS, WE HAVE SOME HUMANITARIAN EFFORTS THAT WE'VE IMPLEMENTED AND THAT IS THROUGH GRANTS THAT WE GET TO CLEAN UP NEIGHBORHOODS. WE GIVE THEM AN OFFER AND SEVERAL CASES TO CLEAN THEIR PROPERTY AT OUR EXPENSE. THE GOVERNMENT'S EXPENSE, IF THEY ARE WILLING TO LET US ON THE PROPERTY, SO WE HAVE HAD SEVERAL NEIGHBORHOOD CLEANUPS TRYING TO RECTIFY THE VERY PROBLEM YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. IF THEY SAY NO, I DON'T WANT YOU ON MY PROPERTY, GUESS WHAT, WE CAN'T GO OVER THERE. >> ANYWAY YOU CAN CHANGE THE LAW? THE LAW THAT REALLY TIES OUR HANDS IS A STATE STATUTE. WITH THAT GO TO TALLAHASSEE? THE HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION LAW IS A STATE STATUTE. SO I CALL THE GOVERNOR AND SECRETARY AND SAID THEY WOULD LOOK INTO IT. THEY'VE BEEN TELLING ME GO WITH Y'ALL FIRST AND WHATEVER YOU ALL SAY, IT'S A DIFFERENT PROBLEM. SO I WANT TO CONTINUE TO TRY TO FIX THIS PROBLEM. >> THANK YOU. >> I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER CARDS, IS THERE ANYONE ELSE [CONSENT AGENDA] THAT WISHES TO SPEAK IN PUBLIC COMIC? HEARING ENCOMPASSING NONE, WE WILL MOVE ON. CONSENT AGENDA. WE HAVE SEVERAL ITEMS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. >> YES. SO, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO MAKE THE COMMISSIONERS AWARE IN CONNECTION WITH ITEM NUMBER 16, IT WAS BROUGHT TO THE CHAIR'S ATTENTION THAT I HAD INADVERTENTLY MADE A MISTAKE IN THE WHEREAS CLAUSES THAT I REFERENCED THE DATE OF AUGUST THE 30TH INSTEAD OF [01:10:09] AUGUST THE 31ST. HOWEVER WITHIN THE ACTUAL AGREEMENT PARAGRAPH THREE IT DOES SAY AUGUST 31ST. THE SCHOOL BOARD HAS ALREADY APPROVED THE AGREEMENT THIS MORNING SO WE AREN'T ABLE TO MAKE ANY REVISIONS, SO I DON'T SEE ANY PROBLEM WITH MOVING FORWARD. THE 30TH IS A FRIDAY LAST WORKING DAY OF THE WEEK AND THE 31ST IS A SATURDAY. SO NOTHING MUCH HAPPENS ON SATURDAY. SO WE WILL CALL IT A DISCRETIONARY AREA. >> ANY OTHER ISSUES FOR THE CONSENT AGENDA? APPROVAL. SECOND. MOTION SECOND TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA COME ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY I. >> ANY NEGATIVES LIKE SIGN . [19.  First Public Hearing to consider adoption of ZON-23-00029 (Airport Code Art. III) (D. Selig)] >> IT PASSES. >> SO WE ARE ON TO 5:00 TIME CERTAIN AND ITEM NUMBER 19. >> IS THE FIRST PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER ADOPTION OF AIRPORT CODE WHICH WAS CONTINUED. SO WE WON'T BE HEARING THAT. THERE IS A PUBLIC HEARING ATTACHED TO THE SO WE WILL OPENED THE PUBLIC HEARING TO SEE IF ANYONE WANT TO SPEAK ON THE ZONING CODE FOR AIRPORT CODES LANDING PLAN DEVELOPMENT CODES WE ARE ADOPTING. >> MR. KIRKLAND DOES. >> OKAY. GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS, MY NAME IS DAVID KIRKLAND CHAIRMAN OF KEYSTONE HEIGHTS AIRPORT AUTHORITY. WE WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT WE HAVE RECEIVED THE ZONING REGULATION RAPOSO, THERE ARE SOME ISSUES WITH THAT THAT I HAVE PUT IN AN EMAIL TO ME WITH MS. DELISI LEAGUE AND COMMISSIONER CONDOM, SO I WILL LOOK FORWARD TO HAVING A DISCUSSION TO ADDRESS THOSE ISSUES. >> OKAY. WE ARE IN THAT WHOLE PROCESS, YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN, APPARENTLY THE -- SOMEHOW IN THE WORK THAT WAS DONE ON THAT, THE AIRPORT AUTHORITY THEMSELVES WERE NOT PART OF THAT DISCUSSION, I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS STAFF IN THE CITY OF KEYSTONE HEIGHTS, AS YOU KNOW STAFF HAS RECENTLY CHANGED, SO ANYWAY, WE HAVE MR. KIRKLAND'S COMMENTS, AND I'M SURE DODIE WILL WORK WITH HIM AND GET THOSE INCORPORATED IN AND. >> YES, I DID GET THAT EMAIL, AND I RESPONDED, BUT THAT WAS THIS AFTERNOON SO I HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO READ IT YET, I'M SURE, WE DID WHEN WE HAVE THE WORKSHOP BACK IN NOVEMBER, WE HAD SENT AN INVITE TO ALL OF THE AIRPORT YOU KNOW, OWNERS AND MANAGERS, SO I HAD EMAILED THE CITY MANAGER FOR KEYSTONE HEIGHTS, AND COURSE RIGHT NOW, SHE'S NO LONGER THERE. THAT HAS CHANGED HANDS, AND THEN ALSO TO THE AIRPORT AUTHORITY, BUT IT WAS NOT TO THIS GENTLEMAN, IT WAS A DIFFERENT NAME, SAME ADDRESS, BUT A DIFFERENT PERSON'S NAME. >> IT'S UNFORTUNATE THEY DIDN'T GET THOSE INVITES AT THE TIME. BUT, I DO HAVE HIS EMAIL, HE PROVIDED A BUNCH OF COMMENTS, I RESPONDED BACK SO WE WILL HAVE FURTHER CONVERSATIONS. AND HOPEFULLY ADDRESS ALL OF THESE QUESTIONS. >> YOU FOR PROVIDING COMMENTS. I DO HAVE ANOTHER COMIC CARD. ADAM LAMB? >> HELLO MY NAME IS ADAM LAMB , I LIVE AT 3335 KIKI LANE IN GREEN COVE SPRINGS. SHE IS PASSING AROUND THE BACK HALF OF A LETTER THAT WE RECEIVED, AND IF YOU LOOK, THIS IS A PROPERTY THAT IS RIGHT SMACK DAB IN THE MIDDLE OF A NEIGHBORHOOD MY NEIGHBORHOOD. NOW, FROM WHAT I CAN SEE ON GOOGLE MAPS, THIS HELIPAD, BLACK CREEK INTERNATIONAL HELIPORT, IS JUST A DIRT CIRCLE AND THE GUYS BACKYARD. >> NOW, IF THIS PASSES, THEN WITH THE EXPANSION, I DIDN'T KNOW IT WAS THERE. THERE'S NO SIGN IS, NOTHING, I BOUGHT THE PROPERTY AND IF THIS GOES THROUGH, I'M WORRIED ABOUT MY PROPERTY VALUE GOING DOWN, BUT RESALE VALUE GOING DOWN, BECAUSE THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT IT BEING A BUFFER ZONE FOR THE LETTING YOU KNOW IF THEY HAVE [01:15:03] SOMETHING HAPPEN ON THE AIRPORT. IF THAT WERE TO OCCUR, WHO WANTS TO LIVE NEXT TO AN AIRPORT? THIS WOULD REZONE IT TO BE THAT. >> SO IF YOU DO, GO THROUGH WITH THIS, IF IT'S THE LARGER AIRPORTS, SOME BLATANTLY OBVIOUS. GO FOR, BUT I ASKED THAT YOU LEAVE THE LITTLE ITTY-BITTY WORDS THAT ARE OUT OF THE WAY AND NO ONE EVEN KNOWS ABOUT IT LEAVE THOSE OUT, BECAUSE YOU ARE LEAVING A LOT OF PEOPLE HUNG HIGH AND DRY. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> JUST SO YOU KNOW, THIS WHOLE EFFORT WHERE THAT HELIPORT IS BEEN THERE CENSURED BY THE FAA FOR A LONG TIME, IT WAS THERE WHEN YOU BOUGHT THE HOUSE AND PROBABLY WILL BE THERE WHEN YOU SELL THE HOUSE, BUT PRIOR TO THIS WE HAD NO OVERSIGHT FOR ANY AIRPORT IN THE COUNTY. THEY COULD'VE EXPANDED THAT WITHOUT US KNOWING, AND YOU KNOWING. NOW THESE CODES WILL IDENTIFY WHERE THEY ARE AND ANYTHING THEY CHANGE ON THE AIRPORT, AND WE WILL BE ABLE TO NOTIFY YOU OF ANY CHANGE BEFORE IT HAPPENS, INSTEAD OF AFTER IT HAPPENS. >> -- I DON'T KNOW WHAT AN AIRPORT WOULD DO. IT DEPENDS ON WHAT IT DO. IT COULD INCREASE THE VALUE OF YOUR HOMES. I DON'T THINK THIS AFFECTS IT EITHER WAY. IT HASN'T, IN THE PAST. THERE'S NO EFFORT TO IMPROVE IT, OR EXPANDED, OR ANYTHING THAT WE KNOW OF. BUT LIKE I SAID, IN THE PAST WE DIDN'T KNOW WHETHER THEY COULD EXPANDED OR NOT. THE REGULATION -- I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY, WE HAVE NOT PASSED ANYTHING. WE HAVEN'T HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THE DISCUSSION, SO I THINK THE COMMENTS -- WE HAVEN'T PASSED ANYTHING. >> IT'S PROPOSED. AND THAT'S WHERE IT STANDS TODAY. >> KNOW. I JUST WANT TO MAKE THAT CLEAR TO THE PUBLIC BECAUSE, I'M NOT SURE WE ARE ALL IN AGREEMENT ON THE LANGUAGE. >> NEXT ITEM, OR NEXT SPEAKER IS SAMUEL LEE. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS SAMUEL ASHLEY PASTOR ST. MARK MISSIONARY BAPTIST CHURCH. I RECEIVED A NOTICE, AND I WAS READING THIS ABOUT REZONING THE AREA, AND THERE'S A LOT OF LANDOWNERS THAT BELONG TO THE CHURCH, AND WHAT CAUGHT MY EYE CONCERNING THIS WAS THE REZONING AND THE ADJACENT LAND USE. I NEED TO KNOW IS -- WHAT THEY ARE PROPOSING, OR HOW WOULD THIS AFFECT THE ADJACENT LANDOWNERS IN THE AREA? IF THEY PUT THIS AIRPORT IN. >> I MEAN, REZONE THIS AREA, LIKE WE SAID, WE HAVEN'T PASSED ANYTHING, WE ARE JUST LOOKING AT IT NOW. I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE ARE GOING TO PASS, AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE EFFECT IS CAN BE. >> THAT WAS A CONCERN OF MINE, BECAUSE WERE WORRIED ABOUT PEOPLE AND THEIR PROPERTY, AND IF YOU MOVE THERE, THEN YOU REOPEN IT AGAIN IS THE WAY I SEE IT IN THE WAY I'M LOOKING AT IT. SO I'M HOPING THAT I CAN GET A CLEAR UNDERSTANDING OF YOUR PROPOSAL WHY WE NEED TO REZONE THAT AREA? >> ANYTHING ELSE? THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. ANY OTHER PERSON WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS SUBJECT, CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. I THINK WE NEED A MOTION TO CONTINUE. >> DO HAVE A DATE THAT WE ARE LOOKING TO CONTINUE THIS TO? >> THE MAY 28TH MEETING. >> SECOND METING IN MAY? YES. >> I MAKE A MOTION TO CONTINUE THIS ITEM UNTIL MAY 28TH. >> SECOND. MOTION SECOND, ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS, CONSIDERATIONS, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY A, ALL I HAVE NUMBER [20.  Public Hearing on Ordinance and Resolution to Amend the Capital Improvement Plan and Other Budget Adjustments (R. Kantor)] 20 ON PUBLIC HEARING ORDINANCE TO AMEND THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN ANOTHER BUDGETS BY REGGIE. [01:20:02] >> HI, I'M REGGIE CANTOR THE BUDGET MANAGER. THE REASON FOR HE PUBLIC HEARING PORTION OF THIS ITEM IS THAT THE BONDED GROUP PROJECTS SPIN SCHEDULE HAS BEEN UPDATED SO THE BUDGET FOR EACH PROJECT HAS BEEN UPDATED CORRESPONDINGLY. WE WILL BUILD THE COUNTY ROAD TO A PROJECT HAS BEEN UPDATED FOR CONSTRUCTION CONTRACT FOR ANOTHER ITEM. >> PUBLIC HEARING. >> QUESTIONS FOR REGGIE? SO WE ARE GOING TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING TO SPEAK TO THE ORDINANCE OF THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT ORDINANCE OF CAPITAL COUNTY IMPROVEMENT. ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THAT. >> I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE. >> MOTION, SECOND, ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? HEARING NONE, ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE, NAY LIKE SIGN. >> BUDGET EXPENSES FOR CAPITAL AND OPERATING COSTS. >> THAT IS THE REST OF IT. >> ARE YOU REFERRING TO BNC? >> SECOND. >> MOTION AND SECOND TO APPROVE B, C, ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE, NAY LIKE SIGN. PASSES. THANKS. [21.  Award of Bid No. 22/23-98, CR 218 from Cosmos Avenue to Pine Tree Lane Road Improvements (E. Dendor)] >> ITEM NUMBER 21 IS ORDER TO BID, 22, 23 IS COSMOS AVENUE TO PINE TREE LANE ROAD IMPROVEMENTS. >> EVENING TO THE BOARD, TO THE CHAIR, ED CANTOR PROGRAM TRANSPORTATION ADMINISTRATOR, WITH REPRESENTATIVE, WILL AND WAY OF BACKGROUND BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING ITEM 21, IS RECONSTRUCTION OF APPROXIMATELY 1.3 MILES OF THE TWO-LANE ROAD INTO A FOUR-LANE DIVIDED ROADWAY SECTION WITH WIDE LANES SIDEWALKS, UTILITY RELOCATION. OUT OF SEVEN, BID IT TO PRE-BID MEETING, WE HAD TWO BIDS, WHICH WERE FROM SUPERIOR , IT'S BEEN HAD TOO MUCH WORK AT THIS TIME COME INTO RESPONSIVE BIDS. ONE OF THE MEDS, FROM WATSON CIVIL, AND THE OTHER FROM ANDERSON COLUMBIA, ANDERSON COLUMBIA'S OVERALL ONE OF THE MOST EVALUATED BID IN THEIR BID IS UNDER THE ENGINEERS ESTIMATE . STAFF RECOMMENDS A REWARD OF ANDERSON COLUMBIA IN THE AMOUNT OF $70,000,126 $84 AND 66 CENTS. IN $1,662,901.07 FOR THE WORK PER THE RFP 2324 DASH 25. >> WITH THE AWARD, ALL ARE CONTINGENT ON BOARD APPROVAL, THERE PORTION OF THE WORK AT THEIR MARCH 5TH BOARD MEETING. THE COUNTY HAS AN ACTIVE AGREEMENT 2020 DASH 2021-130 5C COA FOR THE WORK ON EURO TO 18. IN ADDITION, THE AWARD SHALL ALLOW THE COUNTY TO REVIEW THE AGREEMENT WITH ANDERSON COLUMBIA AT OPTION NUMBER ONE, AND FOR THE BID OPTION NUMBER TWO APPROXIMATELY ONE MILE OF ADDITIONAL SIDEWALK WORK FROM HER MOSER SHOULD ADDITIONAL FUNDS COME AVAILABLE AT A LATER DATE. >> ANY QUESTIONS ? >> I THOUGHT THAT THIS DESIGN, IT'S THE SAME AS THE ORIGINAL DESIGN, WE ARE JUST STOPPING AT JUST PART PAST THE MEGA PARK VERSUS GOING ALL THE WAY TO A MEGA PARK SO THE DIVISIONS IN THE ROADWAYS ARE CHANGING, ONE OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS ASKED. SO THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING. >> HAVE A QUESTION. >> CAN YOU CLARIFY FOR ME -- I FEEL LIKE WE MIGHT'VE HAD THE CONVERSATION BEFORE, BUT I CAN'T REMEMBER WHY THE TOTAL WOULD BE 23 FOUR AND 23 FIVE YET WE ARE ONLY AWARDING 17 ONE? >> THAT IS THE BASE BID OF THE 70 MILLION HUNDRED 26,000, ON [01:25:01] TOP OF THAT IS THE COLUMBIA WITH 1,002,000, AND THEN THERE IS THREE DIFFERENT NON-BID OPTIONS. THE FIRST OPTION WAS WITH THE INTERSECTION WORK, AND THEN THE OTHER WAS FOR SIDEWALK WORK, ROUGHLY 1 MILLION, AND THE THIRD OPTION WAS THE FILLED OFFICE WAS SAID WE WEREN'T GOING TO WORK ON THE FIELD OFFICE, BUT THE OTHER TWO OPTIONS ARE FOR THE FACT DIVISIONAL FUNDING DOES BECOME AVAILABLE, WE WOULD ADD THE BASE WORK YOU WOULD GET TO THAT TOTAL OF 23 MILLION. THANK YOU. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? >> THE TWO OPTIONAL -- OPTION ONE AND TWO, HOW LONG ARE THEY GOING TO GUARANTEE THEIR PRICES? >> WE HAVEN'T GOT -- THIS HAS TO GO THROUGH THE PROCUREMENT DEPARTMENT AND I DON'T BELIEVE KAREN IS HERE, BUT THAT WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH, BECAUSE WE ARE STILL IN THE PERIOD OF NOT BEING ABLE TO DIRECTLY TALK WITH THE CONTRACTOR, BUT MY UNDERSTANDING WAS THAT THEY WOULD ALLOW US TO ADD THAT BACK IN, AND THE NEXT SEND SIX MONTHS, BUT A REASONABLE TIME PERIOD. WE WOULD OBVIOUSLY WANT TO COME BACK AND FIND OUT ONCE THE CONTRACT IS OVER THAT WE ARE READY TO PULL THE TRIGGER ON THAT. BUT I WAS CONSIDERING A REASONABLE PERIOD OF TIME. >> A MOTION? >> MOVE APPROVAL. >> SECOND. >> A MOTION AND SECOND TO APPROVE THE AWARD OF COUNTY ROAD 218 FROM COSMOS TO PINETREE TO ANDERSON IN COLUMBIA. >> JUST WENT MAKE SURE, THAT THE MOTION IS EXACTLY AS ED SAID, NOT PERHAPS AS PRETRADE ON THE AGENDA. SO IT SPECIFICALLY THE PACE BID, BUT BOTH ARE CONTINGENT AND AWARDING BOTH OF THOSE ARE CONTINGENT OF CC UAS MOTION. THEY HAVE A MEETING MARCH 5TH, YOU SAID? >> YES. OKAY, IT HAS BEEN MOVED AND SECOND TO AWARD THE BID ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS, ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE, ANY NAY'S NEW LIKE SIGN. [22.  Final Public Hearing to consider COMP 23-0016 and ZON 23-0028. (District 5, Comm. Burke) (M. Brown)] >> FINAL PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER COMP PLAN 23-0016 AND ZONING 23-0028. SMALL-SCALE LAND CHANGE USED 10 ACRES TO AGRICULTURE FROM AGRICULTURE TO AGRICULTURE PRESENT RESIDENTIAL. THIS IS A SMALL SCALE APPLICATION FOR AN LAND-USE AMENDMENT AND A COMPANION REZONING FOR THE SAME 10 ACRES. THE APPLICANT IS CAROL WILKINSON. CONNIE WILKINSON AND DENISE LIVINGSTON, GREEN COVE SPRINGS COMMISSIONER DISTRICT HEARD BY PLANNING COMMISSION ON FEBRUARY 6. >> AS I INDICATED, IT IS A SINGLE 10 ACRE PARCEL PRESENTLY DESIGNATED AGRICULTURE ON THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP AND ZONED AGRICULTURAL, CREATED IN 1996 BY SPLITTING EIGHT 20 ACRE PARCEL INTO 210 ACRE PARCELS. THIS REQUEST IS REGARDING THE SOUTHERN 10 ACRES , THE NORTHERN 10 ACRES IS REDEVELOPED WITH SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENCE. THE PARCEL DOES HAVE LEGAL ACCESS VIA ENGAGEMENT TO COUNTY ROAD 209 SOUTH. THE PARCEL AND 10 ACRES DOES NOT MEET THE DENSITY REQUIREMENTS FOR THE AGRICULTURAL FUTURE END-USE AND DENSITY REQUIRED IS ONE UNIT PER TUNING ACRES. THE PARCEL ALSO DOES NOT QUALIFY AS A LOT OF RECORD, BECAUSE IT WAS CREATED AFTER THE ADOPTION OF THE COUNTIES COMPREHENSIVE LAND DEVELOPMENT PLAN IN 1991 THEREFORE THE PARCELS NEED TO OBTAIN A PERMIT FOR SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT WHICH IS THE DESIRE OF THE OWNER. THE PARCEL IS SURROUNDED BY PROPERTIES THAT ARE ZONED AG AND AGRICULTURAL FUTURE LAND USE. THIS SLIDE SHOWS YOU EXISTING PROPOSED FUTURE LAND USE, AND THE NE SLIDE SHOWS YOU THE EXISTING AND PROPOSED ZONING. YES, THIS IS WHAT'S KNOWN AS SPOT [01:30:02] ZONING, WHICH IS NOT A -- IT'S NOT ILLEGAL, BUT IS NOT LOOKED ON FONDLY. MY PRIMARY ISSUE WAS SPOT ZONING IS COMPATIBILITY. >> IN OUR CODE AND COMP PLAN FOR THE PRIMARY DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE EXISTING LAND USE, OF AG , AND THE REQUESTED ACT/RESIDENTIAL LAND USE IS REQUIRING ONE UNIT PER 20 ACRES AND IT REQUIRES ONE UNIT PER 10 ACRES. >> THE USES ARE REALLY SIMILAR BETWEEN THE TWO LAND USES AND ZONING DISTRICTS. BOTH, ZONING DISTRICTS, ALLOW SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL, INCLUDING MOBILE HOMES. THE ARE, ONE OF THE DIFFERENCES IN THE COMP PLAN AND ZONING IS THE AR DISTRICT ONLY ALLOWS NON- RESIDENTIAL RAISING OF FARM ANIMALS. THERE ARE TWO COMMISSIONABLE USES PERMITTED THAT ARE NOT PERMITTED IN THE ACT DISTRICT. AND THAT IS PLANT NURSERIES, AND THE OTHER IS, WRITING ACADEMIES. OTHERWISE, ALL CONDITIONAL USES ALLOWED ARE THE SAME. STAFF BELIEVES THAT THE USES -- IT'S COMPATIBLE USES IN THE TWO DISTRICTS AND AND LAND-USE CATEGORIES. SO IN SUMMARY, AGAIN, THE REQUEST IS TO CHANGE A SMALL SCALE LAND-USE CHANGE FROM AG/RESIDENTIAL TO RESIDENTIAL AND A ZONING TAG FOR THE SAME 10 ACRES FOR THEM AG TO RESIDENTIAL ZONING. AS I INDICATED, STAFF BELIEVES THE USES ARE COMPATIBLE, WITH EACH OTHER, BUT THERE IS NO -- WOULD NOT BE A CONFLICT BETWEEN THE TWO APPROVED USES, THE PURPOSE OF THE REQUEST AGAIN IS TO ALLOW THE OWNER TO DEVELOP A SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL UNIT ON THE PROPERTY. PLANNING COMMISSION VOTED SIX 02 RECOMMEND APPROVAL , AND THEY VOTED 602 RECOMMEND APPROVAL FOR ZONING CHANGE . STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE COMP PLAN AMENDMENT, AND THE 10 ACRES FROM AG TO AR, AND STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE ZONING CHANGE OF THE SAME 10 ACRES FROM AGRICULTURE/TO AGRICULTURE RESIDENTIAL. >> IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? >> MY, I THOUGHT THAT AR WAS ONE HOUSE PER FIVE ACRES. IT DEPENDS ON THE ZONING, AND THE LAND-USE, YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT BOTH, AND IN THIS CASE, AGRICULTURE RESIDENCE, AND LAND-USE WITH AGRICULTURAL RESIDENTIAL ZONING ALLOWS ONE TO FIVE. YOU CAN GET DOWN TO 1 TO 10, EXCUSE ME, YOU CAN GET DOWN TO 1 TO 5 WITH CERTAIN POINTS AND DENSITY BONUSES. SO IN THIS CASE, THIS PARCEL DOESN'T MEET ANY OF THOSE CRITERION, SO WENT TO 10 IS AS DENSE AS IT CAN GET. >> AND THEN MY QUESTION FOR YOU, IS, WHEN YOU ARE NOT GOING TO LIKE, BECAUSE IT KIND OF REQUIRES YOU TO LOOK IN YOUR CRYSTAL BALL AND BE A LITTLE TOUCHY-FEELY, AND I KNOW YOU LIKE -- BUT MY QUESTION IS ABOUT PRECEDENCE. IF WE PASS THIS, AND STAFF RECOMMENDS PASSING THIS, WHAT PRECEDENCE DOES THIS SET FOR UNIT, QUITE A BIT OF MY DISTRICT, IS ZONED AGRICULTURAL, AND WE HAVE PROPERTIES RIGHT NOW THAT I HAVE, THAT CONVERSATIONS WITH YOU, AND CHARISSE, AND OTHERS ABOUT, VARIOUS EXEMPTIONS, AND PEOPLE ONLY BEING ABLE TO DO -- USE THE EXEMPTION TO SPLIT THEIR PROPERTY, AND PROPERTY THAT WAS OWNED AG FROM WAY BACK BEFORE THE 90S THAT THEY ARE KIND OF STUCK WITH. IF WE APPROVE THE SPOT ZONING, WHAT PREVENTS ANYONE ELSE WHO HAS AG ZONE PROPERTIES FROM COMING BACK AND ASKING FOR EXACTLY THE SAME THING? >> ANYBODY CAN ASK -- I MEAN TODAY THEY COULD ASK. I GUESS MY ANSWER WOULD BE THAT YOU WOULD HAVE TO CONSIDER AS A BOARD CONSIDER EACH OF THOSE INDIVIDUALLY AND SEE IF THEY MEET THE COMPATIBILITY TEST [01:35:03] FOR THE REZONING. AND, THAT'S THE BEST ANSWER I'VE GOT, BECAUSE I KNOW SOME OF THOSE PARCELS YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT. AND, I'VE HAD DISCUSSIONS WITH SOME OF THOSE OWNERS ALSO. GOING TO BE AN OPTION AND I THINK YOU SHOULD EXPECT TO SEE SOME OF THOSE IN YOUR DISTRICT MOVE FORWARD. >> I HAVE INDICATED TO SOME OF THOSE AND YOU KNOW, THAT THEY COULD PURSUE A REZONING, OR LAND-USE, OR BOTH THE REZONING OR LAND-USE TO BRING THOSE PARCELS IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE CODE REQUIREMENTS. BUT, YEAH I THINK YOU WILL MAKE, PEOPLE ARE WATCHING OF THIS, THEY COULD BE AWARE, THAT THIS IS AN OPTION. AS AN OPTION TO ANYBODY, ANY PROPERTY OWNER CAN REQUEST FOR REZONING. BUT THIS IS THE FIRST TIME WE WOULD HAVE DONE THIS, AND IT'S A VERY , VERY DIFFICULT, IT'S NOT JUST AN EASY SOMEBODY WANTS TO PUT A HOUSE, WHAT LOOKS LIKE IN THE MIDDLE OF NOWHERE, IT SETS A PRECEDENT FOR SO MUCH OF THE COUNTY. >> CAN YOU TELL ME WHAT WAS THAT AGAIN, WHAT WAS -- SPEAKERS ] >> HAPPENS TO BE MY NEIGHBORS, SO I HEAR ABOUT IT A LOT. SO, MY ENTIRE ROAD IS ZONED AG ONE HOUSE PER 20 ACRES, SO WE HAVE PARCELS THAT ARE 10 ACRE PARCELS THAT PEOPLE ARE NOW WANTING TO SELL OFF LIKE 10 ACRES OF THEIR PROPERTY, AND TODAY, THEY CAN'T PUT A HOUSE THERE, BECAUSE THEY ARE ZONED AG. AND SO, WE HAVE THESE CONVERSATIONS, SO THE ONLY WAY THEY CAN DO IT NOW, IS THEY CAN USE THE HEIRS EXEMPTION THAT SAYS, IF YOU HAVE MORE THAN TWO ACRES, YOU CAN SPLIT A PROPERTY AS LONG AS EACH ONE KEEPS ONE ACRE, AND THEN IT CAN ONLY GO TO A CERTAIN FAMILY MEMBER IN OUR CODE SPECIFICALLY SAYS TO THOSE FAMILY MEMBERS ARE, AND IT IS VERY SPECIFIC. IT IS INTENDED FOR IF YOU WANTED TO GIVE TO YOUR CHILD, OR SIBLING IS ONE OF THEM, PARENT IS ONE OF THEM. SO IT'S VERY SPECIFIC. SO, THEN THIS, IF WE CHANGE THIS, THIS OPENS US UP FOR ANY OTHER PROPERTIES THAT ARE ZONED AG FOR SOMEBODY TO COME IN AND SAY, I WANT TO PULL THIS PARCEL MIGHT WANT TO PULL THIS PEEP OF MY PROPERTY AND MAKE A NEW PARCEL. >> I MEAN, IT TECHNICALLY KIND OF CHANGES EVERYTHING. WELL, THERE'S THE EXEMPTION, AND THERE'S ALSO A LITTLE MORE -- MAKES IT A LITTLE MORE PROBLEMATIC, BY STARTING FROM A STAFF STEP IS A HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION WHICH IF YOU OWNED THE PROPERTY FOR CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME, THEN IT'S HOMESTEADED ANY PROPERTY IN THE COUNTY, YOU CAN SELL OFF TO HAVE ACRES 2 1/2 ACRE TRACKS EACH YEAR. BUT IF THEY ARE ZONED AG, THE TUNA HALF ACRE PROPERTY IS WORTHLESS EXCEPT FOR AG. THEY CAN'T PUT A HOME ON IT. >> AND A HOMESTEAD, YOU CAN. THEY COULD? >> AND, YEAH. THAT'S ONE OF THE EXEMPTIONS. ALONG WITH THE HEIRS. >> THAT IS THE FIRST TIME I'VE HEARD OF THAT. >> USUALLY, THOSE ARE POTENTIAL PROBLEMS. I WILL TELL YOU THAT USUALLY THE MAIN PROBLEM IS PEOPLE THAT HAVE CUT THE PROPERTY NOT WITHIN ANY OF THE EXEMPTIOS IN THE PAST, AND THEY'VE GONE DIRECTLY TO THE PROPERTY APPRAISER TO DO FIVE ACRES AND SOLD IT, AND IT WAS AFTER THE 1991 MAGIC DATE FOR THE COMP PLAN ADOPTION AND RECORD, AND THAT IS WHERE OUR BIGGEST PROBLEM IS IS DEALING WITH THOSE. BECAUSE SOME OF THEM % HAVE BEEN SO TWO OR THREE TIMES, AND NOBODY HAS DONE ANYTHING ABOUT IT, AND WANT TO DO THIRD OWNER WANTS TO PUT A HOUSE ON THERE. AND THAT IS ONE OF OUR BIGGEST PROBLEMS, AND THAT IS SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT YOU HAVE BROUGHT UP. IT'S THAT AREA. SO, THERE'S THE THREE THINGS THE TWO EXEMPTIONS, AND JUST PEOPLE CUTTING THEIR PROPERTY WITHOUT KNOWLEDGE OF THE IMPLICATIONS OF COMP PLAN DENSITY, AND ZONING . AND I DON'T HAVE A GOOD ANSWER. I CAN FIX ALL THAT OTHER THAN, COMING IN AND REQUESTING A REZONING. >> QUESTION. MR. INDISCERNIBLE ], AGAIN, SO THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULD [01:40:01] WANT YOUR NEIGHBOR TO DO THAT? >> NO, I DON'T MEAN THAT, I THINK IT OPUSES UP IN THE PARTICULAR CASE OF MY NEIGHBOR, THEY WERE LOOKING AT HEIRS EXEMPTION, SO IT WOULDN'T HAVE FALLEN UNDER THIS, BUT THAT IS THE ONLY WAY THEY COULD PUT HOMES ON IT. I COULD SEE SOME BENEFIT TO, IT IS JUST, I ALSO THINK YOU KNOW, SPOT ZONING IS DANGEROUS FOR A REASON. >> YOU KNOW, TYPICALLY IT IS NOT WELL SUPPORTED. SO, WE WOULD LOOK AT EACH INDIVIDUAL ONE, SO WE COULD SAY, RIGHT NOW, THAT MAKES IT YOU KNOW, WHEN I THINK ABOUT WHAT WE DID WITH -- SO BEFORE THE STATE LAW CHANGED, IT USED TO BE SOLAR COULD ONLY BE -- COULD ONLY BE PUT ON AG ZONED PROPERTY WITH A CONDITIONAL USE BEFORE THE STATE LAW CHANGED. NOW THEY CAN PUT THEM UP, AND THAT CONDITION JUST WENT AWAY. BUT BEFORE THAT, THAT WAS DONE FOR SPECIFIC REASON. THERE IS A PARCEL OUT IN A VERY POPULATED AREA OF CLAY HILL ON TWO 18 THAT FLORIDA POWER & LIGHT OWNS, AND IT'S RIGHT BESIDE SOMEONE'S HOME. SO REALLY, IT AFFECTS THEIR PROPERTY VALUE, WHERE AG ZONED PROPERTY IS INTENDED TO MAYBE HAVE A HOUSE OR FARM, AND A BARN, OR SOMETHING SO ICY DANGER IN THIS. SO I DON'T REALLY KNOW HOW I FEEL ABOUT IT OVERALL. IN THE PARTICULAR CASE, IS IT SO MUCH A PROBLEM? LIKE MY NEIGHBOR ISN'T SO MUCH A PROBLEM, BUT I THINK IT REALLY DOES OPEN US UP TO A LOT OF YOU, ONE OF THE REASONS MY TICKET TO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE MORATORIUM, AND WE TALKED ABOUT THE LAKE ASBURY MASTER PLAN IF WE JUST FOLLOWED THE PLAN, IT WOULD WORK. BUT EVERY TIME WE TURNED AROUND, SOMEBODY WAS BRINGING IN A DENSITY INCREASE REQUEST, SO WE DID THE MORATORIUM SO WE DIDN'T HAVE TO HEAR ALL OF THOSE FOR CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME WHILE THE ROADS WERE BEING CONSTRUCTED, WE KNEW WE HAD A BONDED PROGRAM. >> THIS IS KIND OF THAT SAME WAY. I MEAN, I THINK IF WE -- I THINK THERE IS A RISK WITH SPOT ZONING, THEN THEY GET FLOODED WITH PEOPLE WHO ARE ZONED AND WANTED TO CHANGE A PARCEL TO AR, BECAUSE IT NOW IS MORE VALUABLE TO THEM AS THEY ARE, SO WE CAN PUT A HOLD ON IT. AT THE SAME TIME, I DON'T WANT TO PENALIZE THOSE WHO WANT TO USE THEIR LAND TO MAKE THEMSELVES MONEY. SO, MY ANSWER TO YOU IS, I HAVEN'T DECIDED. IT'S REALLY, I DON'T KNOW THE RIGHT ANSWER. I SEE BOTH SIDES. >> FOR SOME REASON I THOUGHT THIS WAS AN HEIRS TYPE , IS THE APPLICANT HERE? >> I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT IS HERE, THERE WERE SOME -- IT DID NOT GO THROUGH THE HEIRS PROCESS. EXEMPTION, WHICH WE WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN HERE HAD GONE THROUGH THAT. BUT, I KNOW IT WAS A FAMILY ISSUE, I THINK AN INHERITANCE TYPE THING, BUT IF THE APPLICANT IS HERE, I DON'T KNOW, SHE MAY BE ABLE TO PROVIDE MORE. >> IF YOU'D LIKE TO COME UP AND ADD SOME CLARITY TO THIS? >> ARE YOU CAN OPEN IT UP AS PUBLIC HEARING? >> OKAY. >> I'M GOING TO OPEN A PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS ITEM, BUT BEFORE WE DO, WE NEED TO SWEAR YOU IN. THIS IS QUASILEGAL PROCESS ALL RIGHT. DO YOU SOLEMNLY SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE TESTIMONY YOU ARE ABOUT TO GIVE WILL BE THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH, SO HELP YOU GOD? SPEAK AS WELL? >> HE'S MY MORAL SUPPORT. >> OKAY. >> PULL THAT MICROPHONE DOWN TOLD YOU. GOOD EVENING, EVERYBODY. >> I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERNS, BUT ALL I CAN SAY ABOUT THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY IS THIS GOES BACK TO THE 1930S, EARLY 30S AND MY FAMILY. SO THIS IS BEEN OUT THERE IN THE MIDDLE OF NOWHERE, FOR A LONG TIME. >> MY MOTHER DIVIDED IT FOR MY SISTER TO HAVE 10 ACRES. SHE KEPT THE OTHER 10, SHE WAS NOT AWARE, YOU KNOW, LIKE SO MANY PEOPLE ARE NOT AWARE, AND I'VE LEARNED A LOT THROUGH MIKE AND LAURA HANSEN, THEY'VE BEEN A GREAT HELP. BECAUSE IT IS VERY CONFUSING, VERY COMPLICATED PROCESS. OF UNDERSTANDING ALL OF THE LAWS, AND TERMS FOR EVERYTHING. MY MOTHER HAD NO IDEA THAT SHE NEEDED TO GO A DIFFERENT ROUTE WITH THIS. SHE PASSED AWAY FOUR YEARS AGO, SHE LEFT MY SISTER, MY BROTHER, AND MYSELF THE 10 ACRES. [01:45:03] HOPING THAT WE'D BE ABLE TO DO SOMETHING WITH HER. SHE HAD NO IDEA WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO AS IT STOOD. >> BUT, MY GRANDFATHER LIVED THERE IN THE 1930S, AND SHE WAS RAISED THERE, MY UNCLE, HER BROTHER WERE BORN ON THE PROPERTY. SO, IT'S BEEN A LONG FIGHT, AND FAMILY IS NOT EASY TO GET ALONG WITH, I HAVE TO SAY, IT'S VERY CHALLENGING AT TIMES. >> BUT, I WOULD APPRECIATE CONSIDERATION SO THAT WE CAN RESOLVE THIS, AND MOVE ON, WITH OUR LIVES. AND I SAID THAT BECAUSE MY BROTHER HAS BEEN DIAGNOSED JUST LAST WEEK WITH CANCER, AND AGAIN, IT'S NOT LOOKING GOOD. SO, I WOULD LIKE HIM TO SEE THE RESOLVE HERE, SORRY. >> MIKE, I WON A SPECIAL THANK YOU TO YOU AND LAURA, YOU ALL OF BEEN SO WONDERFUL AND COULDN'T HAVE GOTTEN HERE WITHOUT YOU. SO I JUST ASKED THAT YOU WOULD TAKE THIS INTO CONSIDERATION, I DON'T MIND BEING THE FIRST AT SOMETHING. >> A TRAILBLAZER. SO, BUT I DO UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERNS. >> BUT PLEASE, TAKE IT INTO CONSIDERATION FOR THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY. >> ARE YOU CAN BUILD ON IT, OR SELL IT? WE HAVE THE FAMILY MEMBERS THAT HAVE SHOWN SOME INTEREST. WE'RE NOT REALLY SURE, RIGHT NOW, BUT WE KNOW RIGHT NOW, WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING WITH IT. I MEAN NOTHING. WERE JUST SITTING THERE WITH ACREAGE, AND I KNOW THAT MISS BURKE'S TERRITORY, I KNOW THAT'S NOT TO STAY OUT IN THE MIDDLE OF NOWHERE VERY LONG. WE HAVE LIMERICK PART PUSHING THAT WAY, OTHER DEVELOPMENTS COMING IN EVEN FURTHER SOUTH THAN LAT DUTTON COUNTY LINE, SO IT'S NOT CAN STAY WORDS FOREVER, BUT I WANT TO THANK EVERYBODY'S CONSIDERATION, AND THANK YOU MIKE. THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE IT. >> WOMAN QUESTION, IS A PROPERTY ACCESSIBLE? IN THE PICTURE IT LOOKS LIKE YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH THAT OTHER DRIVEWAY? >> THERE IS A RECORDED EASEMENT TO BOTH OF THOSE. >> MY MOTHER DID MAKE SURE THERE WAS A LEGAL EASEMENT ACROSS THE FRONT OF THE WHOLE 20 ACRES. >> SHE DID HAVE THE WHEREABOUTS TO DO THAT. SHE MADE SURE THAT THERE WAS EASEMENT TO IT SO THAT THAT WOULD NOT BE A PROBLEM. >> SHE SAID SOMEBODY LIVED ON IT, THOUGH. WAS THAT JUST ON THIS PIEE, THERE WAS A HOME THERE BEFORE? IN THE OTHER SECTION. >> OKAY. AT THAT TIME MISS BURKE WAS A WHOLE 20. >> OH GOSH, AND THEN THEY SEPARATED IT. ANYONE ELSE WISH TO SPEAK ON THE SUBJECT? >> SAYING NONE, HEARING NINE, CLOSE A PUBLIC HEARING AND COMMISSION. >> TO MADE ME CRY, OF COURSE. I'M SO SORRY. FOR YOUR BROTHER, BY THE WAY. >> I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE APPROVAL. I'M NOT TOTALLY SURE AS FAR AS YOU KNOW, YOUR CONCERN IS THAT, THEY WILL THEN SAY, OH, WELL WE DID IT FOR THEM, PRETTY MUCH, CORRECT? BUT WE STILL HAVE THE SAY-SO TO BE ABLE TO SAY, IT'S NOT COMPATIBLE WITH THAT AREA. SO, I'M SAYING THAT I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE APPROVAL. >> I HAVE AN A MOTION TO APPROVE COMP ZONE AND PLANNING FOR THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY. >> I WILL SECOND TWO FURTHER DISCUSSION. >> IF I COULD MR. CHAIR, IN A, ESSENTIALLY WHEN THIS WAS -- BACK IN THE MID-90S, SET -- I MEAN, DIDN'T WE SORT OF AT THAT TIME SET THE PRECEDENT FOR TWO ACRE PARCEL WITH THE HOUSE ON IT IN THAT PARTICULAR AREA? >> I DON'T KNOW THE TIMING OF THE HOUSE BEING CONSTRUCTED, BUT, I BELIEVE IT WAS DONE AFTER THIS WAS CUT, AND I DID CHECK , AND THERE WAS A PERMIT ISSUED FOR THAT RESIDENCE BY THE COUNTY SO I THINK IN ANSWERING YOUR QUESTION, THE COUNTY APPROVED THAT RESIDENTIAL UNIT --) WHEN THEY SPLIT THAT INTO 210 ACRE [01:50:07] PARCELS, AND THERE WAS ALREADY A HOUSE AND THEY BUILT THE HOUSE AFTER THE RACKET CREATED THE SITUATION THAT WE DON'T WANT TO CREATE NOW, BUT I THINK IT'S ALREADY DONE. >> BECAUSE THERE'S ALREADY HOME, AND THEN IT WOULD BE ABLE TO HAVE ANOTHER HOME ON IT. >> MY MOTION WAS TO APPROVE LAND-USE -- I SECONDED THAT. >> I HAVE A MOTION IN THE SECOND TO APPROVE THE COMP PLAN LAND-USE 23-0016. ANY OTHER COMMENTS QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. NAY , LIKE SIGN. WITHIN A NEED A ZONING CHANGE, I MOVE APPROVAL TO CHANGE THE ZONING ALSO. >> I WILL SECOND, ALSO. MOTION IS SECOND APPROVED ZONING CHANGE TO AGRICULTURAL RESIDENTIAL. >> ANY OTHER COMMENTS, QUESTIONS, CONCERNS? ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. PASSES , 50 THANK YOU VERY MUCH. APPRECIATE, GOOD LUCK WITH YOUR BROTHER. TAKE CARE. [23.  Final Public Hearing to consider PCD 23-0016. (District 1, Comm. Cella) (M. Brown)] >> ITEM NUMBER 23 IS FINAL PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER PC FOR A CARWASH. >> THE APPLICANT FOR THIS REZONING REQUEST IS PFC PROPERTY . A REQUEST IS A REZONING OF 1.6 ACRES TO PLANT COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT. THIS IS DOCTORS LIKE RIDGEWOOD PLANNING DISTRICT, COMMISSIONERS DISTRICT AND IT WAS HEARD AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION ON FEBRUARY 6TH. A LITTLE BACKGROUND, THE PARCEL IS LOCATED IN SOUTHWEST QUADRANT OF INTERSECTION OF 220 IMPLANTATION DRIVE, THE LAND-USE IS COMMERCIAL. THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS BORDERED SOUTH BY A PARCEL THAT IS ZONE PS ONE BY THE WEST BY PARTIAL ZONE ACROSS PLANTATION DRIVE IS MCDONALD'S. >> THE NORTHERN ONE ACRE OF THIS PARCEL WAS REZONED TO PCD PLANNED COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT IN 2017 BY THE COUNTY. THE ORIGINAL PCD PERMITTED USES ALLOWED IN THE ZONING DISTRICT AS WELL AS A CARWASH, SO THERE IS A CARWASH USE IS APPROVED ON THE NORTHERN ONE ACRE OF THIS PARCEL TODAY. >> THE PROPOSED REZONING WILL EXPAND THE ZONING TO INCLUDE THE 0.36 ACRES THAT ARE PRESENTLY ZONED TO BE A ADOPTED NEW SITE PLAN FOR THE SITE. HERE'S THE AERIAL SHOWING THE LOCATION OF THE PARCEL. THIS SLIDE SHOWS YOU THE EXISTING AND PROPOSED ZONING, AND ON THE EXISTING PORTION YOU CAN SEE THE GRAY AREA AT THE BOTTOM, THAT IS THE 0.3 ACRES THAT IT BEING ADDED TO THE PCD. SUMMARIZING SOME OF WHAT'S WRITTEN, AND WHAT WAS PROVIDED IN THE WRITTEN STATEMENT FOR THE PCD, THE DEVELOPMENT IS LIMITED TO A SELF-SERVE TONE TITLE CARWASH AND SELF-SERVE VACUUMING STATIONS. THE VACUUM STATIONS ARE SERVED BY TWO MOTORIZED VACUUMS ACCORDING TO WRITTEN STATEMENT. SINGLE BUILDING, APPROXIMATELY 5200 SQUARE FEET AND MAXIMUM HEIGHT AT 35 FEET AND HOURS OF OPERATION 11:00 TO 2:00, EIGHT A.M. TO EIGHT P.M., AND IT'S GOT PERIMETER BUFFERS OF APPROXIMATELY 15 FEET ON THE NORTH, 10 FEET TO THE SOUTH, AND EAST 15 FEET AT WEST 10 FEET. >> IN SUMMARY, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CHANGE OF ZONING 1.3 ACRES FOR PCD, AND BA2 LETTER PCD, IT IS [01:55:04] CONSISTENT WITH CURRENT FUTURE LAND USE. THE CLIENT COMMISSION, WHEN THEY HEARD THIS, THEY REQUESTED A CHANGE TO THE PERMITTED USES, AND CHANGE PRIMARILY TO LIMITED SOLELY TO CARWASH, SO THE BA USES THAT WERE IN THE EXISTING PCD IS BEING REQUESTED TO BE DROPPED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION. THEY BRING THAT FORWARD TO YOU, BUT THEY HAD REQUESTED THAT YOU -- THOSE USES BE DROPPED AND IT BE SOLELY LIMITED TO A CARWASH. >> STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF PCD 23- 0016 INCLUDING , AND STAFF SUPPORTS AND RECOMMENDS THE CHANGES TO THE WRITTEN STATEMENT THAT A PROPOSED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION ON THE FEBRUARY MEETING. >> DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF? I HAVE A QUESTION? >> SO IN THE BACKUP IT TALKS ABOUT THE 2017, AND GOVERNORS EMERGENCY DECLARATIONS. >> YEAH. >> THE STATE STATUTES ALLOW FOR DURING A TIME WHEN THERE'S A DECLARED EMERGENCY AT THE STATE LEVEL, THAT TIME FRAMES FOR DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS, AND I'M PARAPHRASING IT, CAN BE EXTENDED. WE HAVE A TIMEFRAME FOR COMMENCING DEVELOPMENT FOR PUD'S , OR PCD SO, THAT WAS BROUGHT UP TO JUST LET THE BOARD KNOW THAT THAT APPROVAL, THAT TIMEFRAME WAS WAIVED DURING TIMES OF EMERGENCY, SOAK THAT THE PCD IS STILL AN ACTIVE PCD. IT HAS NOT EXPIRED . SO THAT'S WHY THAT WAS PUT IN THERE. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? EMILY, DO YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO THIS PROJECT? EMILY PERSE, 1301 RIVER GLAZE BOULEVARD. I WANTED TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND, I DON'T WANT TO INTERRUPT, SHE HAS TO BE SWORN IN. >> IT'S REZONING, JUST BE SWORN. >> SORRY. >> YOU SOLEMNLY SWEAR OR AFFIRM -- ANYBODY. >> YES PLEASE WE NEED TO READ AND -- CAN YOU MOVE A LITTLE BIT FURTHER SO THE CAMERA CAN SEE, I APOLOGIZE. THANK YOU. >> YES MAN COME THANK YOU ALL DO YOU SOLEMNLY SWEAR AND AFFIRM THE TESTIMONY YOU ARE ABOUT TO GIVE WILL BE NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH, SO HELP YOU GOD? THANK YOU, ALL. >> I WANTED TO GIVE YOU -- SORRY ABOUT THAT. I WANTED TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND AS MIKE SAID, THE ONE ACRE IS ZONED PCD. IT HAS BEEN IN PLACE SINCE 2017. WHEN WE TOOK THIS PROJECT NOT VERY LONG AGO, TO STAFF, WE TOOK IT THROUGH YOUR DRC, AND WE HAD A NUMBER OF REQUESTS THAT CAME BACK FROM STAFF ASKING US IF WE COULD PLEASE MOVE THE ACCESS FURTHER SOUTH TO ALIGN IT WITH MIKE MCDONALD'S DO MORE SIDEWALKS LANDSCAPING, ETC. PEER WE TOOK A BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD ON OUR SIDE, WE AGREE THAT ALIGNING THE ACCESS POINTS WILL HELP ALLEVIATE TRAFFIC CONFLICTS. SO WE TOOK IT BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD, WE REDID IT. WE PURCHASED PROPERTY SOUTH OF IT, THE PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY ZONED BA, AND WE WOULD LIKE TO INCORPORATE THAT INTO THE PCD SO THAT WE CAN STILL DO THE CARWASH, WE CAN MOVE THE ACCESS POINT, WE NOW HAVE SOUTH OF THAT, THE STORM WATER POND WHICH ACTS AS A BUFFER, BETWEEN THE LESS INTENSITY USES THAT ARE FURTHER SOUTH FROM US, AND THE CARWASH, SO WE DID A PRETTY MAJOR REDESIGN OF THE SITE AFTER DISCUSSION WITH STAFF. I HAVE MAPPED MELCHOR A WITH PROSSER AND HE CAN TALK TO THE ENGINEERING QUESTIONS, AND WE ALSO HAVE BECKY HAMILTON FROM GAIT WHO CAN ANSWER ANY GENERAL QUESTIONS ABOUT THE CARWASH. >> DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? ACTUALLY, [02:00:01] MR. CHAIR, IF I COULD, MAYBE WE COULD HEAR LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE OPERATIONS OF THE CARWASH, IS A CAN BE AUTOMATED? GIVE US AN IDEA AS TO YOU, WHAT PERCENT OF THE WATER IS RECYCLED, JUST GIVE US SOME THOUGHTS ON THAT. >> SURE. >> PROJECT ENGINEER WITH PROSSER 3901 SUTTON CT. DRIVE IN JACKSONVILLE FLORIDA. SO, AS FAR AS THE CARWASH OPERATIONS, I'M NOT SURE IF YOU GUYS SEE THIS SITE PLAN, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE ACCESS TO ONE, BUT THERE'S A SERIES OF RECLAIMED TANK. BUT KIND OF ON THE SOUTH END OF THE PARKING STALLS, YOU CAN SEE THE SERIES OF RECLAIMED TANKS, AND RE-REUSE ABOUT 60 TO 70% OF POTABLE WATER USED IT'S A BUSINESS. SO THE MORE WE CAN REUSE THAT, THE MORE EFFICIENT WE CAN BE. JUST A LITTLE BIT DISTORTED, BUT YOU SEE WHERE THE SOUTH ARROWS ARE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE VACUUM STALLS JUST TO THE WEST, THERE'S THREE LARGE RECLAIMED TANKS. >> YEAH, THAT'S FINE. >> THANK YOU. >> IS THAT HELPFUL? THAT'S VERY HELPFUL. AND, IN TERMS OF THE OPERATIONS, IT WILL BE AUTOMATED SO THAT THE ACTUAL CONSUMER WILL GET THE THINGS STARTED AS THEY ENTER THE TUNNEL? >> YES HER. SO, ON THE SIDE OF THE SITE, YOU KNOW, STARTING FROM PLANTATION DRIVE, YOU WILL -- THE VEHICLE WILL BE SOUTH BOUND, IT WILL MAKE A RIGHT-HAND TURN, AND THEY WILL ENTER YOU, THEY CAN ONLY ENTER TO GO TO TURN BACK NORTHBOUND, AND THEN THEY WILL ENTER THE PAY STATION, SO THE PAY STATION IS ALL AUTOMATED. THEY WOULD SWIPE THEIR CREDIT CARD, OR THEIR A STICKER WILL SCAN AND SAY YOU ARE MENDER AND THEY'LL HEAD WEST AND TURN SOUTH AND TURN IT TO THE CARWASH TUNNEL WHERE WE WILL HAVE AN ATTENDANT WAVED THEM ALONG MAKING SURE THEY ARE ENTERING SAFELY. THE CARWASH TUNNEL IS WHAT WE CALL IT WILL ENTER, AND THEY WILL GET THERE CARWASH AND EXIT AND TURN TO THE EAST, WHERE THEY CAN JUST BYPASS THE VACUUM STALL AREA THAT IS CENTRAL IN THE SITE, AND EXIT THE SITE BACK TO PLANTATION DRIVE WHERE THEY CAN MAKE A LEFT TURN, INTO THE VACUUM STALL AREA, AND THEY CAN USE THE SELF-SERVE VACUUM STALLS , THEN THEY WOULD ENTER THE SAME WAY OUT ON PLANTATION DRIVE, SO THERE ARE A FEW STAFF MEMBERS ON SITE JUST TO KIND OF HELP WITH CLEANUP ON THE SIDES, AND EMPTY TRASH CANS, AND HELP THE PATRONS INTO THE SITE, HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, BUT IT IS SUBSTANTIALLY SELF-SERVE. NOW THIS PARTICULAR SITE PLAN, DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THE DRIVEWAYS ACTUALLY MATCH UP 100%, SUCH AS THE WAY THAT THE SITE PLAN IS DRAWN THERE, OR -- IT IS A LITTLE DISTORTED, AND YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT, SIR, IT'S ABOUT HUNDRED PERCENT ALIGNED. WE TRIED TO -- I WAS ONE OF STAFF COMMENTS, WAS TO ALIGN ACCESS POINTS AS BEST AS POSSIBLE. IT'S A LITTLE BIT SKEWED , AND THE REASON FOR THAT IS BECAUSE WE WANT TO MAXIMIZE STACKING ON-SITE. THAT'S GOOD FOR THE CARWASH, IS GOOD FOR OUR OPERATIONS, BUT FRANKLY IT'S GOOD FOR NEIGHBORS, AND THE COUNTY TO GET VEHICLES OFF THESE MAIN ROADS AND ONTO OUR SITE. SO, YOU CAN SEE IT'S KIND OF A LITTLE BIT OF A UNIQUE GEOMETRY AT THAT POINT. YOU CAN HAVE THIS INDISCERNIBLE ] EASTBOUND TO GET TO PLANTATION. SO WE ALIGNED THE DRIVEWAYS BEST WE COULD, BUT THERE IS A BIT OF ASKEW, WHICH TO BE HONEST, YOU KNOW THE SKUS WHEN YOU GO TO AN INTERSECTION, THERE'S CERTAIN DEFLECTION THAT'S ALLOWED, AND WHEN YOU'RE DRIVING ACROSS THE STREET TO GO TO A CARWASH TO A MCDONALD'S AND VICE VERSA, IT'S NOTHING OUT OF THE ORDINARY, BUT YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. THEY ARE SLIGHTLY SKEWED MAMA AND THAT WAS TO FACILITATE STACKING. >> SO HOW MANY CARS FROM THE PAY STATION TO THE ENTRY CAN YOU STACK THERE? >> THAT'S THE ONE THING I DON'T HAVE ON MY NOTES. BE MAC THAT'S OKAY, WE TYPICALLY MAXIMIZE IT, IT'S GOTTA BE -- PROBABLY IN THE 20S. I COULD COUNTED OUT RELATIVELY QUICKLY, BUT I'LL JUST SAY THIS, SO THE VEHICLE -- THE DRIVE I'LL BEFORE YOU GET TO THE PAY STATION IS STACKABLE TOO. OR DOUBLE STACKED. THEN WE NECK [02:05:03] IT DOWN TO A SINGLE STACK BEYOND THE PAY STATION. AS YOU START TO GO WEST, AND THEN ENTER. >> BUT IT'S PROBABLY 20, 22 VEHICLES THAT STACK AND YOU KNOW, WE DO CUEING ANALYSIS AS PART OF OUR STUDIES FOR THESE THINGS BECAUSE IT'S PRETTY KEY TO THE OPERATIONS, WE WANT TO GET THESE VEHICLES OFF THE MAINLINE, AWAY FROM CONFLICT POINTS, AND FRANKLY WE WANT TO GET THEM IN LINE TO GET THEM TO WASH THEIR CARS . >> IN TERMS OF THE -- I SAW SOME OF THE NUMBERS FOR BUFFER IS -- I THINK IT WAS 50 NORTH, AND I CAN'T REMEMBER EXACTLY WHERE IT WAS, BUT IS THAT -- ARE THEY PROJECTING THAT, OR -- NO. THAT WAS AN EXISTING, THAT HAS NOT CHANGED. IT WAS IN THE EXISTING PCD DOCUMENT. >> SO, DO YOU HAVE THAT HANDY, JUST IN TERMS OF -- I KNOW WE HAVE IT ON THE SLIDE, OH, I'VE GOT IT HERE. ON THE NORTH END, WE'VE GOT 15 FEET, SO, IF YOU WOULD JUST POINT OUT THE NORTH END IS WHERE THE POND IS? YES. >> NO SIR. THAT WOULD BE OVER 220. AND IT'S PROBABLY WORTH NOTING ON THE NORTH SIDE WE HAVE A 50 FOOT LANDSCAPE BUFFER, BUT WE ARE ACTUALLY FURTHER, PROBABLY CLOSER TO 25 FEET ON THE NORTH SIDE. THE REASON FOR THAT IS THERE'S SIGNIFICANT UTILITIES, COUNTY UTILITIES IN THAT AREA, SO YOU'LL COME AS THEY ARE DRAWN, IT'S A LITTLE DIFFICULT TO SEE ON THIS ONE, BUT, WE PROBABLY HAVE A 25 FOOT BUFFER, AND RECENT WHY, WE CAN'T GET OUR STORMWATER INFRASTRUCTURE CURRENT THAT YOU ACTUALLY SEE ON THE NORTH SIDE OF OUR PARKING STALLS, WE CAN'T GET THAT CLOSE TO THE EXISTING COUNTY UTILITIES WITHOUT CREATING YOU KNOW, BURDEN FOR CCU ANS, IT CREATES A LOT OF COST TO CONSTRUCTION ISSUES. >> SO, IT'S ALSO 15. THAT IS THE SIDE THAT'S FACING MCDONALD'S? >> YES. >> AGAIN, WE ARE EVEN FURTHER ON THAT SIDE. >> SAME SITUATION? >> YES. AND LET'S JUST POINT OUT THE PIECE THAT YOU ARE ADDING IS WHERE WE SEE IT AT THAT WOULD BE THE SOUTH END WHICH HAS THE LARGE RECTANGULAR POND ? NO? WHAT IS THAT, THEN? >> TO THE PIECE THAT YOU ARE ADDING, YOU CAN'T REALLY SEE IT ON THIS MAP, BUT I AM GOING TO ASK THE PIECE THAT WE ARE ADDING ACTUALLY INCORPORATES THE DRIVE I'LL THAT'S ON THE SOUTH END AND THE ACCESS POINT, IS LITERALLY VERY NARROW AISLE. THE POND, IT REMAINS IN PS1. WE DIDN'T -- IT'S KIND OF A CATCH 22 OF WHETHER OR NOT WE PUT THE POND IN THE PCD, YOUR ZONING CODE ALLOWS PONCE TO BE IN ANY ZONING, SO IT CAN BE IN THE PS-ONE. BY LEAVING THAT SHARP LINE BETWEEN THE PCD WITH THE CONSISTENCY WITH WHAT THE COUNTY HAS, WE FELT LIKE THAT WAS A BETTER DECISION THAN TRYING TO MOVE THE PCD DOWN TO GOVERN THE POND. WE WERE CONCERNED ABOUT PEOPLE THINKING WE WERE TRYING TO PUSH THE PHYSICAL CARWASH FURTHER SOUTH INTO THE PS ONE. WE ARE NOT. THE ONLY THING IS GOING TO BE POND AND LANDSCAPING AND SIDEWALK, THAT KIND OF STUFF. >> SO WHERE DOES THE BUFFER END UP? >> THE FAR SOUTH END OF THE -- IT WOULD BE WHAT IS THAT? YEAH, SO THE FAR SOUTH IS A COULD BE ON THAT SIDE, OR SECOND BE ON THE NEAR SIDE OF THE POND? THE POND -- THERE'S ACTUALLY A BUFFER BETWEEN THE DRIVE I'LL IN THE POND, AND THEN THERE'S ANOTHER BUFFER BETWEEN THE EDGE OF THE POND, AND THE END OF THE PROPERTY LINE. SO SAME SECTION TWO BUFFERS PLUS THE POND. OKAY. GOTCHA. THANK YOU. THAT HELPS. >> I'M DONE IF ANYBODY ELSE WANS A QUESTION? >> OF THE SAME PROBLEM. WE HAVE MANY CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THE POND BEING A PS ONE, AND I STILL DON'T UNDERSTAND IF WE HAVE TO DO A SITE PLAN REVIEW [02:10:03] AND REVISION ONCE YOU ACQUIRE THE .3 ACRES, WHY NOT INCLUDE THE POND -- THAT IS PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT AT THE PCD. SO WHY -- I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE DIDN'T INCLUDE THAT ? >> LIKE I SAID, WE KIND OF WENT WITH THE ZONING CODE, WHICH SAYS YOU CAN HAVE THE POND IN THE PS LETTER ONE. IT'S A CATCH 22. IF WE LEAVE IT OUT, WE GET THE QUESTION OF PART OF THE QUESTION OF THE OVERALL DESIGN, BUT WE WERE ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT PUTTING IT INTO THE PCD AND HAVING PEOPLE BE CONCERNED THAT WE ARE PUSHING THE COMMERCIAL INTO PS LETTER ONE, WHICH WERE NOT. THE ONLY THING THAT IS, BEYOND THERE'S THE POND, SO IT'S JUST A CHOICE. WE WENT WITH WHAT THE ZONING CODE SAID WHICH IS THE POND CAN BE IN PS - 1. IT'S NOT DUAL? PONDS ARE CARWASH FACILITY ONLY. OKAY. ANY OTHER CRASHES? THANK YOU. >> I'M GOING TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR ANYONE ELSE? PUBLIC HEARING IS OPEN FOR ANYONE ELSE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK. >> IF I COULD, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE I MEAN, THIS IS ALREADY BEEN APPROVED . I MEAN, WE DON'T APPROVE THIS, THEY'LL HAVE THE ABILITY TO BUILD A CARWASH ANYWAY, IN THIS CASE, IT ALLOWS THEM TO FURTHER BUFFER IN AT LEAST TWO OR THREE OF THE SIDES, AND IT ALSO PROVIDES SOME RELIEF TO THE CHURCH NEXT DOOR WITH A BUFFER AND THE POND CLOSES TO THE CHURCH. >> I'M NOT SURE WHETHER I VOTED AGAINST THIS IN 2017 OR NOT, BUT I PROBABLY SHOULD'VE, BUT ANYWAY, IT'S HERE, AND I LIKE THE IDEA THAT THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AUTHORITY ASK THEM TO DROP ALL THE OTHER ADDITIONAL USES THAT WERE LISTED, SO IT CAN ONLY BE A CARWASH. NOW, CERTAINLY MARKET CONDITIONS BETWEEN 2017 AND NOW HAVE CHANGED AS IT RELATES TO CARWASHES. ROB BUBBLY HAVE 15 OR 20 COMPETITORS OUT THERE AT THIS POINT IN TIME. SO, IF, YOU KNOW, WE DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT, WE WOULD, BUT I REMEMBER IN 2017 POINTING OUT THAT THERE WAS A GAS STATION, AND AN EMPTY LOT ACROSS THE STREET. HE BOUGHT THAT AND PUT IT ALL ON THERE. BUT THAT'S NOT TO BE. SO, THE FACT THAT CAN ONLY BE A CARWASH AT THIS POINT IS WE CHANGE, ABLE TO DO SOMETHING, IT'S SOONER THAN CERTAINLY LATER. >> SO, I WILL MOVE APPROVAL. >> SINCE ITS ALREADY CARWASH AND WE'RE JUST TRYING TO IMPROVE THE SITE SITUATION THERE. >> HAVE A MOTION, DO HAVE A SECOND? >> I SAID SECOND. >> OKAY, MOTION AND SECOND TO APPROVE THE PC 2023 -0016. ANY OTHER COMMENTS, QUESTIONS, OR CONCERNS? SING NONE, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE, ANY NAY'S [24.  Public Hearing for the purpose of considering the entry into a Purchase and Sale Agreement for the purchase by the County of real property necessary for future Public Safety facilities, more particularly described as Tax Parcel No. 16-06-25-021733-001-03, and authorization for County Manager to execute all documents necessary to close the acquisition (C. Risinger/C. Grimm)] LIKE SIGN, IT PASSES FOR ONE. ITEM NUMBER 24'S PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE PURPOSE OF CONSIDERING THE ENTRY INTO A PURCHASE AND SALE AGREEMENT FOR A PIECE OF PROPERTY FOR ANOTHER FIRE STATION. >> REAL ESTATE ACQUISITIONS MANAGER, THIS IS PURCHASE AND SALE PERMIT FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION FOR A FIRE STATION SITE OF 1.6 ACRES LOCATED IN THE TOWN OF TOWN COUNCIL LAST WEEK, AND THEY SEEM SUPPORTIVE, THEY WEREN'T -- THEY WERE ONLY -- THAT WAS ONLY THERE FOR THEM TO KNOW THAT THEY HAD TO DO A LAND USE CHANGE, SO THAT IS WHAT THEY WERE LOOKING AT, AND THEY DID SEEM SUPPORTIVE WHEN I WAS THERE, AND THEY ARE JUST WAITING FOR US TO PENDING AN APPROVAL, AND A PURCHASE AGREEMENT AND THE AGREEMENT FOR THE FUTURE LAND USE CHANGE. >> QUESTION? [02:15:08] >> ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? WE HAVE TO RESIST GOD HERE FROM THE RETIREMENT COMMUNITY. ANY COMMENTS? >> NO. >>. >> AND I THINK IT IS A PRC PIECE OF PROPERTY, RETIREMENT COMMUNITIES PIECE OF PROPERTY CORRECT? >> YES, SIR. SO, INATTENTIVE MOTION, QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? PUBLIC HEARING >> OKAY, I'M SORRY. >> OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING, ANYBODY WISHING TO SPEAK ON A PURCHASE SALE AGREEMENT FOR PIECE OF PROPERTY ALONG HIGHWAY 16 DOWN BY THE RETIREMENT COMMUNITY. SING NONE HEARING NONE, CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING. >> I'LL MOVE APPROVAL. >> MOTION IN THE SECOND TO APPROVE THE PURCHASE SALE AGREEMENT FOR THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY. ANY COMMENTS, QUESTIONS, CONCERNS? SING NONE, HEARING NONE, ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED, LIKE SIGN. PASSES , 50. >> ITEM NUMBER 25 IS LETTERS OF DOCUMENTATION, WE HAD A BIT [25.  Bid Opening Tabulations (K. Smith)] OPENING SINCE THE LAST MEETING. FOR THE COSMOS AVENUE ROADWAY IMPROVEMENT, RESOLVED TODAY. SECOND PUBLIC COMMENT [PUBLIC COMMENTS] PERIOD, AND DO WE HAVE ANY CARDS FOR THE SECOND PUBLIC -- I OPEN THE PUBLIC COMMENT. FOR THE SECOND TIME, CLOSE IT [COMMISSION AUDITOR] HEARING NONE. CLOSE,. WE WILL MOVE TO COMMISSION AUDIT. [COUNTY ATTORNEY] NOTHING. THANK YOU. >> THE COUNTY ATTORNEY? >> JUST QUICKLY, BECAUSE I KNOW MOST OF YOU ARE FOLLOWING THE LEGISLATION DEALING WITH THE PACE PROGRAM. AS WELL AS THERE'S LOTS OF LITIGATION OUT THERE SO, ONE OF THE SORT OF ESSENTIAL LITIGATIONS THAT IS HAPPENING IN LEON COUNTY, THEY RECENTLY HAD A HEARING IN THE CLERK IS HAVING THE PARTIES SUBMIT FINAL ARGUMENTS AND PROPOSED ORDERS ON MARCH THE FOURTH SO EVERYBODY IS SORT OF ANXIOUSLY AWAITING ON WHAT IS HAPPENING WITH THAT LITIGATION SO, WE WILL LET YOU KNOW ONCE THE COURT RULES ON THAT CASE. BUT ALSO, AT THIS POINT, THE LEGISLATION STILL SEEMS VERY FAVORABLE TO REQUIRE THE RESIDENTIAL PORTION OF THE PACE PROGRAM TO ACTUALLY HAVE TO GET PERMISSION FROM THE COUNTY. >> THAT'S ALL I HAVE. >> COULD ASK A QUESTION? >> WITH THAT, PREEMPT THE JUDGES -- ONE SENTENCE ORDER FROM THE PREVIOUS -- YES. I DON'T KNOW THAT IT WOULD ACT RETROACTIVELY, BUT GOING FORWARD, IT IS, THAT IS THE PURPOSE. >> THEY ALSO FIXED THE CONSUMER ISSUES WITH THE PROGRAM. >> INTERESTING, I THOUGHT I READ THAT IT TAKES SOLER OUT IN EDSON -- WHAT THEY COULD DO, [COUNTY MANAGER] BUT THEY CANNOT USE IT FOR SOLER WHICH THEY WERE PUSHING. >> NOTHING FURTHER. >> COUNTY ADMINISTERED COMMENTS FOR >> A COUPLE OF ITEMS, THE LEGISLATIVE SESSION IS SLATED IN NEXT FRIDAY THE FOURTH OF MARCH, WE WILL TAKE A LOOK AT THE BILLS PROPOSE IN THE BUDGET AS I FINALIZE HERE AND THEN WE WILL GO TO THE GOVERNOR FOR SIGNATURE. AS THE SPRING HAS REALLY SPRUNG HERE IT SEEMS LIKE WITH LOTS OF LEAVES FALLING WITH THE OAK THERE ARE LOTS OF EVENTS, AND I ENCOURAGE YOU TO VISIT OUR WEBSITE AND EXPLORE CLAY, AND JUST TO MENTION, JUST A FEW, WE FINISHED UP THE SCOTTISH GAMES AS WE CAN AT THE FAIRGROUNDS. FOOD TRUCK FRIDAY STARTING BACK UP THIS FRIDAY. THE STRAWBERRY FEST THE SECOND , AND THIRD OF MARCH YEAR, AT THE FAIRGROUNDS, YOU CAN ALSO GO DOWN TO ORANGE PARK FARMERS MARKET ON THE THIRD FROM 10 TO 2 DOWN IN ORANGE PARK, AND THEN THERE'S LOOK AT AT THE STARS MARCH 8TH AND MARK SIMMONS NINE AT BRENT STATE PARK. I WANT TO MENTION TWO MORE EVENTS, ONE IS VERY NEAR AND DEAR. FIRSTAR MILITARY APPRECIATION DAY HOSTED BY THE COUNTY. THE METRICS COUNSEL OF [02:20:01] CLAY COUNTY FLORIDA, WILL BE SATURDAY MARCH 18TH, THREE P.M., BOTH FOR ACTIVE DUTY AND VETERANS, AND ALSO FREE TO THE PUBLIC. WE WILL HAVE FOOD TRUCKS, VENDORS, KID ZONE, ENTERTAINMENT, SPEAKERS, MILITARY BASE RESOURCES, AND A JOB FAIR, MARCH 16, SATURDAY AT THE FAIRGROUNDS. FINALLY, LUCKY FORCE FOR THE FAIR, COMING UP IS ONLY 37 DAYS TO THE CLAY COUNTY FAIR, THAT IS APRIL 4TH THROUGH THE 14TH. SO BE SURE TO GET YOUR TICKETS. OTHER THAN THAT PENDING ANY QUESTIONS, [COMMISSIONERS' COMMENTS] THAT'S ALL I HAVE. >> THANK YOU. >> COMMISSIONER? >> I DON'T REALLY HAVE ANYTHING, BUT I WAS INTERESTED TO HEAR JUSTIN SAY THAT WE HAVE SOMETHING AT THE FAIRGROUNDS EVERY WEEK UNTIL LIKE, NEXT YEAR. >> WHILE, MAYBE WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AND FINDING OUT WHAT'S GOING ON THERE, THAT'S REALLY NEAT. GLAD TO HEAR THAT. EVERYBODY ELSE HAVE A GREAT REST OF THE WEEK. >> THANK YOU, IS THE COUNTY MANAGER MENTIONED SCOTTISH GAMES ARE ANNUAL OF IT PAST SATURDAY BEAUTIFUL EVENT, BE GROUNDS TURNED OUT, AND AS FAR AS I KNOW, EVERYTHING WENT SMOOTHLY, AND WE WERE SHOWING OUR NEW RTD'S THERE, AND IT'S YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN PUSHING TO SEE IF WE CAN'T ADD A SECOND DAY WHICH WOULD ESSENTIALLY TURN THAT INTO A MAJOR FUNCTION. BUT, IT DEPENDS ON VOLUNTEERS, AND BY THE END OF THAT FIRST DAY, VOLUNTEERS ARE READY TO GO HOME AND REST, BECAUSE THEY WERE SETTING UP A COUPLE OF DAYS BEFORE THAT, BUT IF YOU HAVEN'T HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO GOT THERE, NEXT YEAR'S ANOTHER CHANCE. TOMORROW, AND THE HARBOR GOLF CLUB, THEY SET OFF THE FINAL ROUND AND A FIELD OF 70 IS CUT DOWN TO ABOUT 28 AND THEY ARE TOMORROW AT 9:00. IT'S AN EVENT THAT WAS BROUGHT TO US BY AIRSTREAM VENTURE SPORTS MARKETING GROUP, AND A LOT OF THESE FOLKS THAT PLAY ON THE MINOR-LEAGUE TOUR, WILL EVENTUALLY GET THERE PGA CARD AND PLAY ON THE PIC TOUR. AND, OR MAYBE THE TIME IN THE MORNING AND YOU'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING, IT STARTS AROUND 9:00. I'M TO SEE IF I CAN GO HOME AND GET SOME POINTERS. SO THOSE ARE JUST A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT I WANTED TO MENTION. BUT, I ALSO WANT TO TAKE THE TIME TO POINT OUT THAT OUR COUNTY ATTORNEY HAS DONE YEOMAN'S WORK IN TRYING TO GET THIS PASTE THING SETTLED FOR A RESIDENCE. YOU KNOW, SHE'S BEEN INSTRUMENTAL IN GETTING US WHERE WE ARE TODAY, WHICH IS, YOU, RIGHT ON THE CUSP OF HAVING LEGISLATION WHICH WILL FIX THE ILLS THAT WE'VE BEEN SUFFERING THROUGH THE PROGRAM AND RESIDENTS BEING TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF, SO COURTNEY, THANK YOU, YOU DID A LOT OF HARD WORK THERE. YOU NETWORK WITH THE OTHER COUNTY ATTORNEYS TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU ARE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE, YOU HAD ALL THAT TOGETHER, AND SO, GREAT JOB. WE KEEP OUR FINGERS CROSSED THAT WE CAN MOVE IT ACROSS THE FINISH LINE. >> IS THAT IT? >> THANK YOU. >> COMMISSIONER COMMENTS. >> . SO I GUESS IT WAS FOR NINE FIRST PUBLIC COMMENT. I JUST WANTED THE GENTLEMAN WHO SPOKE ABOUT SPOKEN WITH HIM BEFORE, ADMIT THEM, BUT I HAVE TALKED TO SOME OTHER RESIDENCE ON VERONICA, IT CURVES AROUND, AND I DON'T KNOW WHO PROMISED HIM THAT IT WOULD BE PAVED 24 YEARS AGO . AND WE HAVE OBVIOUSLY AS YOU ALL KNOW, WE DID A DIRT ROAD STUDY, IT'S PROBABLY NOT GOING TO BE PAVED SEVENTH ON THE LIST, JUST BECAUSE, IT DOESN'T HAVE THE TRAFFIC, THAT SOME OF OUR OTHERS DO THE CONNECT TO SOME OF THE OTHER ROADS. BUT, I KNOW THAT THEY ARE ALREADY LOOKING AT WHAT CAN BE DONE OUT THERE -- YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT KEEPS COMING UP WITH OUR DIRT ROADS IS ARE GREATER OPERATORS. AND THE FACT THAT YOU, THEY DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THEY'RE DOING, WHEN I TALK ABOUT THIS A LOT, BECAUSE, WE HAVE A LOT OF DIRT ROADS. SO, ANYWAY, IT'S SOMETHING THAT I KNOW IS A CHALLENGE, THAT CHARISSE AND ERIC ARE TRYING TO WORK THROUGH, AND I KNOW IN THE PAST, MR. BUTLER HAS TALKED ABOUT MAYBE BEING OPEN, SO WE CAN GET SOME TRAINING IF DECIDES HE'S GOING TO COME OUT UP TO RETIREMENT FOR REAL. >> IS WILLING TO COME OUT OF RETIREMENT, IF YOU PAY HIM. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE RIGHT ANSWER IS, BUT THAT SEEMS TO BE A COMMON THEME. I KNOW THEY ARE TRYING TO SOLVE IT WITH [02:25:02] SOME MAILINGS, IN CERTAIN AREAS, AND THAT KIND OF THING. SO WE ARE WORKING ON THAT. >> I WONDERED IF WE HAVE CONTACTS -- MR. HODGES IS RIGHT, THOUGH CENTRIX FLY, THEY COME FROM PUTNAM COUNTY, AND THE USE COUNTY ROAD 315 THAT COMES FROM PUTNAM COUNTY AROUND TWO COUNTY ROAD 315 C TO COME INTO CLAY COUNTY TO BYPASS KEYSTONE HEIGHTS. SO THEY REALLY ARE USING IT AS A BYPASS. WE'VE GOT SOME BRIDGES IN THERE, THAT I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY ARE RATED, GOES PAST THE SCHOOL, THEY ARE RATED FOR IT. SO, I JUST WONDER IS THERE A WAY WE CAN GET WITH MAYBE LIKE, FH P, OR THAT D.O.T. VEHICLE ENFORCEMENT LIKE TO TRY TO MAYBE SLOW SOME OF THEM DOWN, OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? WELL, I DIDN'T WANT TO PUT ON THE SPOT, BUT I WAS WONDERING OUT LOUD. >> WE HAVE TALKED WITH CLAY COUNTY ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT, WE TALKED ABOUT SOME THING, SOMETHING ON THE WAY NOT A SOLUTION, BUT ANOTHER WHERE TO HAVE A ARROW IN OUR QUIVER. INSTANTANEOUS SOFTWARE THAT TELLS THE SPEED AND THE AVERAGE DAILY TRAFFIC COUNT ON THESE ROADS. WE LOOKED AT ONE TODAY, THAT MR. WANAMAKER BROUGHT UP, THE AVERAGE SPEED WITH 35 MILES WELL WAS 44.3 MILES PER HOUR THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT. THAT GIVES SOME AMMUNITION TO THE WOMEN IN GREEN,THE WOMEN IN GREEN SAY, THIS IS A GOOD PLACE TO GO. I EXPECT 315 C ESPECIALLY THE PART THAT IS BEEN WIDENED AND THE SAFETY SHOULDERS A 50 MILE PER HOUR SPEED LIMIT. I BET YOU IT'S A LOT HIGHER THAN THAT. AND, THE OTHER THING WITH THOSE TRUCKS TO PULL OVER, YOU'RE RIGHT, THERE'S A LOT OF SAFETY THINGS THEY CAN GO THROUGH. THE BRIDGES HAVE BEEN CHECKED OUT IN HIS CHECK ON AN ANNUAL BASIS. IT'S OKAY. DOESN'T MAKE IT CORRECT FOR SPEEDING, THERE'S ALSO SOME COVERTURE AND SOME BUS STOPS THAT ARE KIND OF SCARY THERE. IN THAT INDIAN TRAIL NEIGHBORHOOD. >> SO, IT'S KIND OF NOT TO PASS THE BUCK. IT'S AN ENFORCEMENT ISSUE, NOW. >> WE WILL PROBABLY RESURFACE THAT ROAD SERVICE FASTER. WE DON'T WANT THAT DETER FROM OUR CONDITION OF THE ROADWAY, BUT IT IS PROBABLY GOING TO BE IN THE NEXT FIVE YEARS, SAY -- OKAY, ALL RIGHT. THANKS, AND THEN THE FINAL WASN'T WAS MR. O BARRY AND HIS CODE ENFORCEMENT SAID HE HAD TEXTED ME ABOUT TO QUOTE ENFORCEMENT CASES AND ONE IS IN THE LETTER THAT IS SENT TO THE GOVERNOR, AND SENATOR BRADLEY, AND I IMAGINE ALL OF YOU. HAVE IT, AND HE TEXTED ME ABOUT A DIFFERENT ADDRESS. SO THE ADDRESS THAT IS IN THE LETTER TO THE GOVERNOR, ON AMHERST, IT DOES HAVE OVER $2 MILLION OF FINES YET, SO IT IS HOMESTEADED. SO WE REALLY ARE KIND OF AT THE POINT I THINK THAT GABRIELLE AND TARA ARE GOING TO REACH OUT TO SEE IF MAYBE THEY WANT HELP FROM OUR CDBG AND COMMUNITY SERVICES, BUT THERE'S NOT A WHOLE LOT WE CAN DO ON THAT ONE. THE OTHER ONE I THINK IS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THEM, AND ADDRESS ON ALLIANCE AVENUE IS NOT HOMESTEADED, AND HAS ABOUT $600,000 WORTH OF FINES ON IT AT THE LAST UPDATE. SO, I GUESS, MY REQUEST FOR THAT WOULD BE THAT WE ADD THAT TO OUR FORECLOSURE LIST, AND I WILL PUT THAT IN WRITING IN A FORM OF EMAIL TO CHARISSE AND TONYA AND CODE ENFORCEMENT. I KNOW -- PRETTY LONG SO WHEN WE CAN GET TO IT, WE COULD POSSIBLY FORECLOSE ON THAT ONE. THAT'S REALLY ALL WE COULD DO TO HELP THAT SITUATION, IT REALLY IS AT THE STATE LEVEL. BUT I UNDERSTAND, YOU SEE BOTH SIDES OF IT. SO I HAVE ANOTHER RESIDENT TO HAS A CODE ENFORCEMENT CASE THAT'S VERY UNFORTUNATE. BECAUSE IT'S REALLY A NEIGHBOR TARGETED , A NEIGHBOR GOT MAD AT THE NEIGHBOR AND TURNED THE GUY IN FOR CODE ENFORCEMENT, AND I WENT OUT THERE, AND HE'S LIKE, YEAH, I UNDERSTAND I HAVE THIS, BUT LOOK AT ALL MY NEIGHBORS, THEY ALL HAVE THE SAME THING, BUT BECAUSE SOMEONE TURNED HIM IN, HE HAS A CODE ENFORCEMENT SITUATION HE HAS TO DEAL WITH. I FEEL BADLY FOR HIM. CODE ENFORCEMENT SENSOR KIND OF TIED. BUT IN THIS CASE, MR. O BARRY IS INEVITABLY IMPACTED . >> WITH THAT I'M THROUGH. >> THANK YOU. >> MR. CHAIR, I WANT TO ECHO THE SENTIMENTS I HEARD GREAT THINGS ABOUT THE SCOTTISH GAMES THIS PAST WEEKEND. TO OUR TOURIST DEPARTMENT AND THEIR COLLABORATION WITH THE [02:30:01] COUNTY FAIRGROUNDS, AND EVERYTHING THAT THEY ARE DOING TO PUT CLAY ON THE MAP. IT'S REALLY EXCITING TO SEE ALL OF THAT, TONIGHT, I COME BEFORE THE BOARD WITH TWO REQUESTS, ONE, I WAS REALIZING NOT TOO LONG AGO THAT IT'S BEEN ABOUT A YEAR SINCE WE INCORPORATED THE FINANCE AND AUDIT MEETINGS INTO OUR AGENDA. AND IT'S PROVEN TO BE SUCCESSFUL, SO THAT'S GREAT. SO IN LIGHT OF THAT, WHAT I'M ASKING IS THAT OUR COMMISSION CONSIDER REVISITING OUR START TIME FOR THE MEETINGS BACK TO WHAT THEY WERE BEFORE I THINK, BEFORE WE MOVED IT TO FOUR IT WAS 2:00. ON THE SECOND AND FOURTH TUESDAY, SO THE REASON WHY AM BRINGING THAT BACKUP IS BECAUSE WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THIS A YEAR AGO, THERE WERE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT AVAILABILITY AND ACCESSIBILITY, AND I GAVE IT A HARD THINK, AND I THINK THAT THOSE CONCERNS ARE VALID, THE ONLY THING THAT I WOULD LIKE TO PRESENT IS THAT WE HAS COMMISSION AND NEVER BEEN MORE ACCESSIBLE THAN WE ARE TODAY. EITHER EMAIL, PHONE, SOCIAL MEDIA, OUR BOARD AGENDA POSTS, TWO WEEKS BEFORE THE GIRAFFES COME OUT ANYWAY , WE'VE GOT ALL OF THESE DIFFERENT WAYS THAT OUR COMMUNITY REACHES US, AND WHERE A LOT MORE AVAILABLE THAN WE HAVE BEEN BEFORE SO I JUST WANTED TO POSITION THAT FOR THE BOARD THAT IF WE COULD REVISIT THAT, IT WAS TOO MUCH CHANGE, I THINK WAS THE VERBIAGE THAT WAS QUOTED LAST YEAR, TOO MUCH CHANGE ALL AT ONCE, AND SO WE'VE SEEN THE SUCCESS WITH SOME FINANCE AND AUDIT, MAYBE WE CAN REVISIT DOING THE COMMISSION MEETING AT TWO P.M., AND THEN MAYBE THEY CAN BE DISCUSSION IF THERE NEEDS TO BE, AND THEN I HAVE ONE MORE ITEM I'D LIKE TO BRING BEFORE THE BOARD TONIGHT. I KNOW THERE ARE NUMBER OF COUNTIES THAT MIX THEIR MEETINGS, SO ST. JOHN'S COUNTY DOES A MORNING MEETING AND THEN THEY COME BACK AFTER BUSINESS HOURS TO DO WHERE THEY COULD BE REZONINGS, AND NEW PEOPLE, MY ONLY CONCERN WOULD BE 2:00 WOULD BE PEOPLE GETTING OFF OF WORK AND THEY WOULD HAVE TO TAKE A DAY OFF WORK OR A HALF A DAY OFF WORK TO COME AND SPEAK AT PUBLIC COMMENT -- THAT IS MY ONLY -- I SEE BOTH SIDES OF IT. YOU KNOW, I'VE HAD A JOB WHERE, YOU KNOW, 2:00 SOMETIMES MAY IMPACT PICKING UP CHILDREN FROM SCHOOL. >> -- I THINK TIME CERTAIN HAS TO BE CHANGE IF WE MOVE OUR START TIME TO TWO P.M.? >> I'M IN, YOU CAN SET YOUR TIME CERTAIN WHENEVER YOU WOULD LIKE HIM IT'S ONLY FOR PROGRAM FOR SOME BUDGETS, AND ONE PLANNING THING, BUT IT HAPPENS VERY RARELY. THAT IT HAS TO BE A FIVE OR 505? THE REASON WHY ASSET IS, WE PROBABLY DON'T HAVE TO CHANGE THAT. IF WE HAVE TWO PUBLIC COMMENT SECTIONS, AND THE SECOND, EVEN THOUGH TONIGHT IN SCOTT EARLY, BUT WE GOT TO THE SECOND COMMENT SECTION AT 615 TONIGHT. SO YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR FOLKS TO SPEAK TO ISSUES, I THINK EVEN LATE LAST YEAR, WE HAD COMMENTS THAT WERE EMAILED TO US THAT WERE READ INTO THE RECORD, AND WE TOOK INTO CONSIDERATION ALL OF THOSE EMAILS THAT CAME TO US SO THAT WE CAN MAKE AN INFORMED DECISION BASED ON WHAT THEIR CONCERNS WERE, AND THEN THE COMMENT SECTIONS, FOR OUR LIVE STREAMS ARE VERY VOCAL AS TO WHAT'S GOING ON, AND WHAT PEOPLE'S SENTIMENTS ARE. SO WERE NOT IN THE DARK ABOUT HOW PEOPLE FEEL, SO, I DON'T THINK THAT AGES -- I AGREE WITH YOU, THAT WE WANT TO BE FLEXIBLE, AND AVAILABLE, BUT EVEN IF WE CONSIDER THE MAKEUP OF THOSE WHO DO DECIDE TO COME, VERY FEW PEOPLE WITH YOUNG CHILDREN COME. AND IF THEY DO WANT TO COME, THEY HAVE MULTIPLE OPPORTUNITIES TO DO SO WITH THE WAY THAT OUR AGENDA IS SET. SO I'M HAPPY TO -- I WOULD PROPOSE TO KEEP THE TIME THE SAME, WE FEEL LIKE IT WOULD MAKE SENSE TO BRING THAT UP, THEN SURE, BUT I LIKE IT AT FIVE IF WE WANT TO BE SURE THAT WE ARE NOT CUTTING OFF ACCESS TO US. I WOULD NEVER PROPOSE THAT. >> MR. CHAIR. >> SINCE I'M THE ONLY ONE IN THE BOARD THAT WAS HERE WHEN WE USED TO DO 2:00, IT CERTAINLY CUTS DOWN ON THE LATE NIGHTS, BECAUSE YOU'RE STARTING AT TWO, AND YOU HAVE A FOR FAR MEETING GET OUT 10:00, YOU'RE GETTING OUT OF FIVE OR 6:00, ALTHOUGH I DO REMEMBER ONE YEAR I THINK IT WAS JUST BEFORE THANKSGIVING HOLIDAY THAT THE BOARD WENT FROM 2:00 UNTIL 11 OR 1130 COMMAND I WOULD HATE TO HESITATE TO [02:35:04] REPEAT THAT. BUT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO REAL COMMON DENOMINATOR WHEN IT COMES TO COUNTY COMMISSION MEETINGS ACROSS THE STATES. ST. JOHN STARTS AT NINE A.M., THEY COME BACK IN THE AFTERNOON, ROUTINELY TO DO CERTAIN THINGS, OSCEOLA COUNTY HAS TWO MEETINGS THAT ARE IN THE MORNING, AND THEN THEY AT THE THIRD MEETING IN THE EVENING JUST TO GO OVER ALL THE THINGS THAT ARE REAL ESTATE, AND PUBLIC HEARING ORIENTED. AND YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY IS SORT OF AT A DIFFERENT TRACK. SO, HAVING SEEN WHAT WAS AT 2:00 HAVING SEEN THAT 2:00 4:00, I DON'T THINK WE NEED ONE MORE PERSON IN THE BUILDING ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. SO, I THINK IF SOMEBODY IS UPSET WITH SOMETHING THAT WE'VE DONE OR NOT DONE, THEY'RE GOING TO BE HERE REGARDLESS, AT WHATEVER TIME THEY CAN BE HERE. OR HAVE TO BE HERE. I WOULD HESITATE TO THINK THAT -- I WOULD WANT TO SEE US RUN THE MEETING AT 2:00, BE DONE 334:00 IN AND SIT AROUND FOR AN HOUR AND A HALF FOR AN HOUR TO COME BACK AND DO YOU KNOW, TIME CERTAIN'S. WE USED TO DO TIME CERTAIN EARLIER THAT. WHEN WE DO THAT QUESTION 4:00? >> WE DIDN'T HAVE A SET TIME, SO WE STARTED, IT WAS MEETING STARTED AT TWO, AND THEN IT JUST CAME WHENEVER. THE TIME CERTAIN IS WHEN WE ADVERTISE THEM, IT WAS AT 2:00 OR SOON THEREAFTER. SO WE JUST GOT TO IT WHEN WE GOT IT. WHEN YOU ARE SEPARATED IT, YOU WANTED A SET TIME SO WE COULD HAVE THE PUBLIC KNOW THAT IF WE STARTED AT WHATEVER TIME THE MEETING STARTED, THAT IT WOULD BE AN HOUR FOR THEM. >> YEAH, THAT WAS A CONCESSION TO THOSE FOLKS THAT, RATHER THAN SIT HERE FOR THREE HOURS, NOT KNOWING WHEN THAT ISSUES COULD COME UP, THAT WE COULD GET UP AT A CERTAIN POINT. >> SO, I CERTAINLY THINK THAT IT'S WORTH WHILE TALKING ABOUT, BUT I ALSO DON'T FACE ELECTION OR REELECTION THIS YEAR, AND I THINK THAT WOULD BE A REAL HOT TOPIC FOR THOSE FOLKS. >> SO, THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE CONSIDERED. >> I THINK, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S SOMETHING TO BE SAID ABOUT CONSISTENCY BEING AT THE SAME TIME ALL THE TIME, AND THERE'S ALSO THOUGHTS ABOUT, MAYBE IT'S YOU DO A MEETING AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MONTH AT ONE TIME, AND THEN MAYBE, THOSE THAT DO PUBLIC HEARINGS, MAYBE DO IT A DIFFERENT TIME, THAT'S JUST A SUGGESTION TO THROW OUT. I WOULD PREFER TO LET SOMEBODY KNOW WE MEET EVERY WEEK, OR EVERY WEEK THAT WE DO MEET IS AT A CERTAIN TIME. >> GOOD THOUGHTS. >> I REGULARLY HAVE PEOPLE TELL ME, HOW ARE WE SUPPOSED TO GET TO THE BEATING TO START BEFORE I CAN GET THERE. I USUALLY TELL THEM, THEY CAN GET HERE BY THE LAST PUBLIC COMMENT IF THEY -- YOU KNOW, BUT -- I KNOW A LOT OF MY PEOPLE WOULD HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT, BUT -- I LIKE THE NO LATE NIGHTS, DO LIKE THAT. IS ANYTHING WRONG THERE. >> MY CONCERN IS, MOVE IT UP TO TWO, YOUR LIMITING ACCESS TO THOSE WHO ARE WORKING, THEY HAVE TO TAKE OFF TO BE AT THE MEETING. AND WE WANT TO ENGAGE THE PUBLIC, NOT JUST RETIREES, BUT THE PEOPLE ARE BUYING THE REFRIGERATORS, WORKING HARD, HAVE KIDS IN SCHOOL, JUST DURING MY WORKING LIFE I WOULD'VE NEVER BEEN HERE 2:00. >> I JUST COULDN'T I COULDN'T OF GOTTEN OFF. >> SO, I'LL CONSIDER IT, BUT WE WANT PEOPLE TO PARTICIPATE. I THINK THAT WOULD BE A VERY COMMON COMPLAINT. I CAN'T GET THERE BY TWO, TO TAKE OFF WORK JUST TO COME AND TALK TO YOU. >> TRUST ME, I WAS SCOLDED AS MANY TIMES AS TO:00 TIME STARTED MEETING AS I HAD BEEN AT 4:00. >> SOMEBODY'S MOTIVATED ENOUGH, THEY WILL BE HERE. >> WHY WAS IT CHANGED? >> YOUR PREDECESSOR, COMMISSIONER GAVIN ROLLINS PROPOSED THAT, AND I THINK IT HEARD IT FROM CONSTITUENTS, AND RESIDENTS THAT MAYBE IT SHOULD BE, AT THE TIME, HE WAS RUNNING FOR REELECTION AND OPPONENTS SO STARTED WE SUGGEST THE MEETING AT 6:00 AND HE WENT FOR A COMPROMISE TIMEFRAME, AND WHEN I BECAME GERMAN I STARTED THAT IT WAS [02:40:02] UP ABOUT TO START A PUBLIC HEARINGS AT LEAST NOTIFY PEOPLE THAT THIS IS WHEN WE ARE GOING TO TRY TO GET TO THEM, AND MOST TIMES, I THINK WE DO. SO, THAT'S WHERE THAT CAME FROM. >> IS ALSO A TEACHER TOO, SO IS PROBABLY AT WORK IN HOME. YEAH. HE DIDN'T HAVE ANY PROBLEMS AT 2:00, HE WAS ALWAYS HERE, BUT HE DID HAVE TO TAKE HIS LEAVE. >> YEAH. >> YEAH, HE HAD TO ARRANGE COVERAGE FOR THAT FINAL HOUR IN HIS CLASSROOM. >> WHEN I WAS ON THE SCHOOL BOARD, WE STARTED AT 7:00 WHEN I FIRST GOT ELECTED, AND THEN, ONE OF THE SUPERINTENDENT ASKED TO MOVE IT TO SIX, FOR STAFF AND I UNDERSTAND IT DOES MAKE A LONG DAY FOR STAFF, BUT YOU KNOW, I THINK THERE CAN BE ACCOMMODATIONS MADE TO , YOU KNOW, COMING LATER TE NEXT DAY, OR WHATEVER, BUT -- WE DO IN A WITH WHATEVER DECISION IS MADE, WE WOULD PROBABLY GET BACKLASH. >> I'D SAY WE CONSIDER IT . TALK TO YOU CAN SEE WAS, COME BACK NEXT TIME MAKE A MOTION. >> WE CAN DO THAT. >> ALL RIGHT, SO MY SECOND. THANK YOU FOR ENTERTAINING A VERY FASCINATING CONVERSATION, OKAY, SO, THEN THE SECOND THING WAS US TO CONSIDER PARTNERING WITH THE VETERAN'S COUNSEL ABOUT BUILDING OUT OUR VETERANS DAY EVENT. I KNOW WE ARE DOING SOMETHING AT CAMP LANDING, AND IT WAS A FANTASTIC EVENT, AND MATT JOHNSON DID A PHENOMENAL JOB LAST YEAR, AND SO WE WERE -- I WAS JUST TALKING TO SOME FOLKS ABOUT BUILDING IT OUT. ESPECIALLY IN VARIOUS PARTS OF THE COUNTY, WORKSHOP AND DIFFERENT IDEAS, BUT MY ASKED TONIGHT IS REALLY JUST TO GET SOME STAFF INVOLVEMENT, I THINK THAT THEY ARE MORE QUALIFIED TO ASSIST WITH THIS THAN THOSE OF US WHO ARE TALKING ABOUT IT. I DID MAKE CONTACT WITH ANSELL LEWIS, BECAUSE HE'S IN MY DISTRICT, AND VERY INVOLVED. I THINK YOU STILL THE PRESIDENT OF THE COUNCIL, AND HOWARD AND I GOT TO MEET WITH HIM, AND NOT TOO LONG AGO ABOUT SOME OTHER THINGS, TOO. BUT, HE WAS VERY EXCITED ABOUT PUTTING SOMETHING ON, THAT THEY WOULD -- I THINK THEY WOULD TAKE THE LEAD ON IT, BUT THEY WANTED SOME ASSISTANCE FROM US EITHER FROM I WANT TO SAY, HOWARD DID YOU SAY IT WAS HAPPY, AND SHORTS, FIRST FOR THAT KIND OF THING? SO, I BRING IT TO US TO AT LEAST CONSIDER, WHETHER AS A BOARD, WE WOULD GIVE OUR STAFF DIRECTION TO LOOK INTO THIS AND HELP WILLED IT OUT? >> I WONDER HOW IT TIES IN. THERE'S -- KIMBERLY IS NOT HERE, BUT THERE'S SOME KIND OF EVENT, SOME BRACE THAT IS A VETERANS DAY RACE THAT'S COMING TO CLAY COUNTY, THEY DID? >> SPEAKERS ] THAT IDEA SHOT. >> IS PART OF THE CONVERSATION -- OH, ANSELL LIVES IN DISTRICT 2, SO WE ARE LOOKING OUT THAT WAY. >> I LIKE IT. >> YOU HAVE TO WORK OUT WITH THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE. >> YEAH, I THINK WE CAN SUPPORT WITH UNT, MANPOWER, WHATEVER? EVERYBODY THINK SO? >> POSITIVE? THUMBS UP, YEAH, I MEAN, I AGREE, AND I THINK THAT WOULD BE OUTSTANDING TO HAVE ON VETERANS DAY. YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A NUMBER OF EVENTS THAT WE ARE ALREADY PARTNERING AND RUNNING AT THIS POINT IN TIME, SO BECOMES THE QUESTION OF HOW MUCH STAFF TIME TO DEDICATE TO SPECIAL EVENTS, AND THEN, THE OTHER ASPECT TO THAT IS YOU KNOW, THE MUSEUM THE VOLUNTEER MUSEUM HAS THE WHISTLING DEATH 5K OR 10K, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S THE NAME OF IT, BUT THE PLANE FOR THE PEOPLE THAT CAN BREATHE WHEN THEY GET TO THE END OF THE RACE, BUT YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES IT'S EASIER TO THROW IN WITH PEOPLE THAT ARTIE HAVE SOMETHING GOING THAT IT IS TO START FROM SCRATCH, MAYBE WE CAN EXPLORE IF THERE SOMETHING WE CAN GET THE MOVE, AND GET INVOLVED WITH IT TO MAKE IT BIGGER. [02:45:02] WORK WITH VETERANS COUNCIL TO INAUDIBLE - STATIC ] >> NO, THAT IS ALL. THANK YOU. >> REAL QUICK. SINCE LAST MEETING WE HAD STATED THE COUNTY BRIEF HELD THAT WHEN EXTREMELY WELL, AND I WANTED THANK THE STAFF FOR PUTTING TOGETHER THAT BRIEF. I GOT A LOT OF POSITIVE COMMENTS. A LOT OF THEM WERE APPRECIATIVE OF ME TAKEN OFF HER SHOES, WHICH HAD A SHOE FAILURE. A COSTUME FAILURE. >> SCOTTISH GAMES, WENT OUT SATURDAY, WAS VERY PLEASED. BEAUTIFUL WEATHER, I HAD MY DAUGHTER FROM SAINT PETE'S AND WE HAD MY VISITORS FROM OUTSIDE OF TOWN. ANYTIME I GET TO AN EVENT WHERE THERE'S GOODS AND OTHERS, AND ONE OF THE OTHERS WAS TRASH RECEPTACLES. THEY WERE SPARSELY LOCATED THROUGHOUT THE FACILITY. I THINK MAYBE NOT SO GOOD, BUT ON THE GOOD SIDE, OUR ATTENDEES WERE VERY UNDERSTANDING OF THAT, AND I DIDN'T SEE ANY TRASH ON THE PROPERTY, AT ALL. SO THEY SEARCHED OUT THOSE TRASH RECEPTACLES IN TOOK CARE OF THEM. SO I WAS GLAD TO SEE THAT. >> A COUPLE OTHER THINGS, CANVASSING BOARD IS COMING INTO PLAY TRADING HAS TO BE DONE BY MARCH 1ST, SO IF YOU HAVEN'T DONE IT, CHRIS NEEDS DOCUMENTATION THAT YOU COMPLETED THAT. SO, A COUPLE MORE DAYS TO DO THAT, AND LAST THING I HAVE IS ON MARCH 26 . I'LL BE TRAVELING WITH A CONTINGENT UP TO ATLANTA TO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FOR THE CLAY COUNTY INTERNATIONAL FIRM HAS INVITED US UP TO THE CEO OF AN INTERNATIONAL FIRM HAS INVITED US UP TO TALK TO HIM OR HER, BUT ANYWAY, COUNTY MANAGER AND MYSELF WILL BE HEADED UP TO ATLANTA THAT DAY, AND UNFORTUNATELY THAT'S A BOARD MEETING DAY. SO, MY ABLE ASSISTANT HERE, WILL CONDUCT THE MEETING. I WILL BRIEF HIM SIGNIFICANT BRIEF AS IT DOESN'T HAVE A LOT OF EXPERIENCE DOING THIS, LAUGHTER ] >> ANYWAY, THAT'S ALL I HAVE, LAST * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.