Feb 06, 2024 Planning Commission

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FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

I'M THE CHAIRMAN OF THE CLAY COUNTY CHAIR COMMISSION. THE MINUTES OF THE KNIGHTS MEETING WILL BE TAKEN BY CHRISTINE BLANCHET. THANK YOU, MISS BLANCHET. WE HAVE OTHER STAFF MEMBERS PRESENT THIS EVENING. WE HAVE ED LEHMAN, DIRECTOR OF PLANNING AND ZONING. MIKE BROWN , OUR ZONING CHIEF .

LET'S SEE . IS BETH HERE THIS EVENING. BETH CARSON WILL BE JOINING US MOMENTARILY. THAT IS DIRECTOR OF PLANNING AND ZONING. DODI IS OUR CHIEF PLANNER. WE ALSO HAVE OUR ACCOUNTING ATTORNEY PRESENT. WE HAVE JAMIE , ASSISTANT COUNTY ATTORNEY. AND I BELIEVE WE HAVE FIRE CHIEF LAUREN PRESENT THIS EVENING. OUR COUNTY COMMISSIONER IS HERE THIS EVENING. AND I ALSO WANT TO THANK DEPUTIES ASKED , LEONARD, AND LUKE OF THE CLAY COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE FOR PROVIDING SECURITY THIS EVENING. ANY OTHER OFFICIALS OR STAFF PERSONS PRESENT WHO I NEED TO INTRODUCE BEFORE WE PROCEED FURTHER? IF NOT , WE WILL MOVE ALONG. I WOULD LIKE TO INTRODUCE MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS TO MY RIGHT .

COMMISSIONER RALPH PAPAVER. TO HIS RIGHT, IS COMMISSIONER HOWARD, BOTH RUSSIAN. TO MY LEFT, COMMISSIONER MICHAEL BARRE , COMMISSIONER JOANNE SLOAN , COMMISSIONER BILL GARRISON , AND COMMISSIONER LANCE ADDISON REPRESENTING THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, CLAY COUNTY SCHOOL DISTRICT. THE CLAY COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION IS AN ADVISORY BOARD TO THE CLAY COUNTY BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS. MOST OF THE DECISIONS MADE BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION OR RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS. OR ECC. THE BCC WILL HAVE THEIR FINAL SAY ABOUT THESE MATTERS AT THEIR MEETING ON NOVEMBER 13TH WHICH IS THE SECOND TUESDAY , A WEEK FROM TONIGHT , THERE WERE 27 , WHICH IS THE FOURTH TUESDAY, TWO WEEKS OR THREE WEEKS THIS EVENING. THE ZONING PORTION OF THE BCC IS HELD DURING THE REGULAR BCC MEETING, WHICH STARTS AT 4 P.M.. ZONING AND LAND-USE MATTERS ARE HELD AT 5 P.M. TIME CERTAIN. PLEASE CHECK THE BCC AGENDAS FOR THESE ITEMS. IF THERE'S AN ITEM ON TODAY'S AGENDA THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ABOUT, PLEASE FILL OUT ONE OF THE COMMENT CARDS, WHICH CAN BE FOUND IN THE VESTIBULE OUTSIDE OUR MEETING GROUNDS. FILL IT OUT AND GIVE IT TO MISS BLANCHET. THIS TIME, WE ASK THAT YOU PUT YOUR CELL PHONES ON SILENT OR VIBRATE. IF YOU NEED TO TAKE A CALL DURING THE

[1.  Approval of Minutes]

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I DON'T HAVE ANY FOR THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD, OPEN COMMENT PERIOD. I'M GOING TO CLOSE IT. AND WE WILL MOVE ON TO OUR NEXT ITEM. I SEE WE HAVE A LARGE NUMBER OF CITIZENS PRESENT IN THE AUDIENCE THIS EVENING. I SUSPECT SOME OF YOU MIGHT BE ATTENDING A PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING FOR THE FIRST TIME. IF SO, WOULD YOU PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND? THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. CITIZEN PARTICIPATION IS THE BACK BONE OF OUR DEMOCRATIC FORM OF GOVERNMENT. YOUR PRESENCE HERE IS IMPORTANT AND APPRECIATED. ALL THE PLANNING COMMISSIONERS ARE VOLUNTEERS SUPPORTED BY THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS. WE SERVE TWO-YEAR TERMS AND WHICH WE REAPPLY AND WISH TO CONTINUE TO SERVE. AS I SAID EARLIER, COMMISSIONS DECISION TO ADVISORY BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS. EACH ITEM ON THE PUBLIC AGENDA AS PRESENTED BY A MEMBER OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING DEPARTMENT. AS PART OF THE PRESENTATION, STAFF WILL INDICATE THE RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF THE REQUESTED LAND-USE AND OR ZONING CHANGE.

NEXT, THE PERSON WHO APPLIED, THE APPLICANT FOR CHANGE WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK. FOLLOWING, THE APPLICANT'S PRESENTATION, MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC MAY OFFER THEIR VIEWS.

IF YOU WISH TO SPEAK , YOU WILL NEED TO DO SEVERAL THINGS. FILL OUT THE COMMENT CARD THAT I MENTIONED EARLIER, THE GIVE IT TO MISS BLANCHET . THEN YOU WILL NEED TO TAKE THE OATH WHICH MISS BLANCHET ADMINISTERED VOLUNTARILY TO EVERYONE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK DURING ANY OF THE HEARINGS. AND WHEN WE DO THAT, PLEASE MOVE TO THE CENTER OF THE ROOM SO THAT YOUR PRESENCE HERE WILL BE RECORDED BY THE MONITORS AS WELL AS BY TAKING THE OATH. IF YOU'RE NOT SURE WHETHER OR NOT YOU WANT TO SPEAK, GO AHEAD AND TAKE THE OATH. AGAIN, AS I MENTIONED, SPEAKING TIME IS LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES. THE LIGHTS ON THE PODIUM WILL HELP YOU KEEP TRACK OF THE TIME.

YOUR TIME IS FOR STATING YOUR VIEWS, NOT FOR ASKING QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT, MEMBERS OF THE START OR THE COMMISSIONERS. QUESTIONS MAY BE DIRECTED TO THE MEMBERS OF THE STAFF AND APPLICANTS AT THE CONCLUSION HEARING ON THE MATTER OUTSIDE OF THE MEETING ROOM. STAFF MAY BE REQUIRED TO REMAIN IN THE MEETING ROOM UNTIL THE ENTIRE AGENDA IS COVERED. YOU MAY NEED TO CONTACT QUESTIONS IN PERSON OR BY PHONE DURING REGULAR OFFICE HOURS. AFTER STAFF , THE APPLICANT AND THE PUBLIC HAVE ALL HAD A CHANCE TO SAY THEIR VIEWS, THE APPLICANT WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO RESPOND TO COMMENTS MADE BY THE PUBLIC. AT THAT TIME, THE COMMISSIONERS WILL DISCUSS MATTERS, IF NECESSARY, AND RENDER A DECISION. I HOPE THIS EXPLANATION IS HELPFUL TO YOU , AND AGAIN, I THANK YOU AND COMMEND YOU FOR YOUR PRESENCE HERE THIS EVENING. AND FOR YOUR PARTICIPATION IN THIS PROCESS. FOUR WE BEGIN THE PUBLIC HEARINGS, I'LL ASK MISS BLANCHET TO SWEAR ON ANYONE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF OR IN OPPOSITION TO ANY MATTER ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT. IF YOU WOULD PLEASE RISE, AND MOVE TOWARDS THE CENTER OF THE

AUDITORIUM. >> THAT'S EVERYBODY WHO TURNED IN A PUBLIC COMMENT CARD TO SPEAK, OR IF YOU ARE THE

APPLICANT. >> YOU CAN JUST MOVE IN THIS

WAY. >> YES SIR. IF YOU WILL STAND AND JUST BE SWORN IN, THEN YOU CAN TURN IN AS SOON AS WE'RE DONE , OKAY? THANK YOU. IF YOU WILL ALL RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND . DO YOU ALL SOLEMNLY SWEAR OR AFFIRM THE TESTIMONY YOU ARE ABOUT TO GIVE WILL BE THE WHOLE TRUTH, ARE NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH, SO HELP YOU GOD? I APPRECIATE YOU ALL.

[1.  Public Hearing to consider COMP 23-0016 and ZON 23-0028. (District 5, Comm. Burke) (M. Brown)]

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>> OUR FIRST PUBLIC HEARING ON THE AGENDA IS TO CONSIDER CO MP 23-00016 AND ZON 23-0028 . THIS IS PRESENTED BY MIKE BROWN, ZONING CHIEF. MR. BROWN, I ASKED THAT YOU COVER BOTH

ITEMS IN YOUR PRESENTATION. >> THESE ARE LAND-USE CHANGE COMPANION REZONING . FOR A SINGLE PARCEL. AND THE APPLICANTS ARE CAROL WILKINSON, CONNIE, DENISE LIVINGSTON AND AS I INDICATE THE SMALL-SCALE LAND-USE CHANGE FROM AGRICULTURAL TO AGRICULTURAL RESIDENTIAL. AND A ZONING MAP AMENDMENT FROM AGRICULTURAL TO AGRICULTURAL RESIDENTIAL. THE GREEN COAT SPRINGS PLANNING DISTRICT COMMISSIONER BURKS DISTRICT AND THIS WILL BE HEARD BY THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS AT THE FEBRUARY 7, FEBRUARY 27 WORD MEETING. LITTLE BACKGROUND , AS INDICATED, A SINGLE PARCEL. THE PARCEL WAS CREATED IN 1996 BY DISPLAYING A 20 ACRE PARCEL PARCEL IS THE RESULT OF THIS REZONING LAND-USE CHANGE IS THE SOUTHERN 10 ACRES FROM THAT SPLIT . THE NORTHERN 10 ACRES IS DEVELOP A SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENCE WHILE THIS PARCEL IS UNDEVELOPED. THIS PARCEL IS ACCESS ALONG WITH A RECORDED USE OF TWO COUNTY ROAD 209 SOUTH. AT 10 ACRES, THE PARCEL DOES NOT MEET THE DENSITY REQUIREMENT FOR THE AGRICULTURAL LAND-USE AND AGRICULTURAL ZONING DISTRICT.

I REQUIRES A MINIMUM OF 20 ACRE PARCELS. THE PARCEL ALSO DOES NOT QUALIFY AS A RECORD TO DEFINE OUR CONFERENCE OF PLAN BECAUSE IT WAS CREATED AFTER 1991 IN THE ADOPTED PLAN.

THEREFORE, THE PARCELS UNABLE TO OBTAIN A PERMIT FOR RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT. OTHER SURROUNDING PROPERTIES TO THIS PARCEL ARE AGRICULTURAL FUTURE LAND-USE AND AGRICULTURAL ZONING. THESE MAPS SHOW YOU, THE ONE ON THE LEFT SHOW YOU EXISTING LAND-USE. ON THE RIGHT IS THE PROPOSED LAND-USE.

HERE, IT'S THE SAME SHOWING HOW THE ZONING EXISTING ON THE LEFT AND ON THE PROPOSED ZONING ON THE RIGHT. THE PRIMARY DIFFERENCE BETWEEN OUR CULTURAL LAND-USE AND AGRICULTURAL RESIDENTIAL LAND-USE IS THE MAXIMUM ALLOWED DENSITY. AS INDICATED, AGRICULTURAL FUTURE LAND-USE REQUIRES MINIMUM 20 ACRES WHEREAS OUR AGRICULTURE RESIDENTIAL HAS A MAXIMUM OF 10 ACRES. THE USE HAS ALLOWED AND REQUESTED AGRICULTURE RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICT ARE SIMILAR TO THE USES PERMITTED IN OUR ZONING DISTRICT. BOTH THE AIR ZONING DISTRICT ALLOW FOR SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL AND RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT INCLUDING MOBILE HOMES BOTH ALLOW FOR AGRICULTURAL USES.

ONE DIFFERENCE IS IN THE AGRICULTURE RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT , ONLY NONCOMMERCIAL VEINS AND KEEPING A FARM ANIMALS IS ALLOWED. WHERE, YOU CAN DO THE COMMERCIAL RAISING OF ANIMALS, FARM ANIMALS. THERE ARE TWO CONDITIONAL USES THAT ARE PERMITTED IN THE AGRICULTURE RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT, WHICH ARE NOT PERMITTED IN THE DISTRICT.

THESE ARE PLANT NURSERIES AND ALSO WRITING ACADEMIES RIDING STABLES. OTHERWISE, ALL THE OTHER CONDITIONAL USES ARE ALLOWED IN BOTH. ONE OF THE THINGS I KNOW WILL JUMP OUT IS THE SPOT ZONING. I WOULD SAY IT IS SPOT ZONING, BUT NOTHING, SPOT ZONING IS A BAD IDEA, BUT IT IS NOT PROHIBITED. AND REALLY, IT'S AN ISSUE WHEN IT COMES TO COMPATIBILITY.

THAT'S WHY I TOUCH ON THE USES THAT ARE ALLOWED IN BOTH.

PLEASE IN THE PERMITTED USE IS ALLOWED IN THE DISTRICT ARE COMPATIBLE WITH THE PERMITTED USES IN THE SURROUNDING ZONING DISTRICTS. IN SUMMARY , THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A

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>> MR. BROWN, CAN YOU PLEASE LET TO THE MAP FOR A SECOND, IF YOU CAN , FOR THE PARCEL? THE PART THAT'S MOST OF THAT IS ALSO 10 ACRES. HOW DID THEY GET A HOUSE ON THAT ONE?

>> BEFORE I GOT HERE.

I BELIEVE PART OF THE ANSWER MAY HAVE BEEN, I HAVE NOT RESEARCHED IT COMPLETELY. IT MAY HAVE BEEN BUILT WHEN IT WAS A 20 ACRE PARCEL. BUT I'M NOT POSITIVE ON THAT.

I KNOW IT WAS A LEGALLY PERMANENT RESIDENTIAL UNIT ON

THAT PARCEL. AT THE TIME. >> DO YOU KNOW HOW THEY ARE GOING TO GET ACCESS TO THIS PARCEL?

>> THERE IS A RECORDED EASEMENT OUT TO COUNTY ROAD 209 SOUTH .

>> FOR THIS ONE AS WELL? >> YES. BOTH OF THEM HAVE IT.

>> THANK YOU. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU. IS THE APPLICANT PRESENT? IF THE APPLICANT IS PRESENT, WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE A STATEMENT? THANK YOU. YOU ARE NOT REQUIRED TO. THANK YOU. I DON'T HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT CARDS ON THIS ITEM. I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS. IF THERE'S ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC WHO WANTS TO SPEAK TO THIS PARTICULAR ITEM. I DON'T SEE ANYBODY, SO I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD ON THIS ITEM AND BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMISSION FOR DISCUSSION AND DECISION. AND WE WILL DEAL FIRST WITH THE LAND-USE AND THE ZONING.

>> I WILL MOVE THE STAFF REPORT ON THE LAND-USE.

>> WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND ON THE LAND-USE. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ANY OPPOSED COST SAY SIGN .

>> WE HAVE EMOTION AND SECOND ZONING. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION , ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSE, SAME SIGN. MOTION CARRIES. MISS WILKINSON , WE JUST WANT TO REMIND YOU THAT

[2.  Public Hearing to consider PCD 23-0016. (District 1, Comm. Cella) (M. Brown)]

>> JUST A HEADS UP. WE RECEIVED A NUMBER OF EMAILS REGARDING THIS PROJECT. SO, I PROVIDED YOU EACH A COPY OF EACH OF THE EMAILS WE RECEIVED. THE APPLICANT IS BFC PROPERTY HOLDINGS. IN ANCIENT DAYS -- AND THE REQUEST IS ZONING MAP CHANGE 1.36 ACRES FROM PCD PLANT COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT AND NEIGHBORHOOD BUSINESS TO PD

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IN SUMMARY, THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST A ZONING CHANGE ONE POINT SIX ACRES FROM PCD EIGHT TO PCD. PROPOSED PCD ZONING IS CONSISTENT WITH THE EXISTING LAND USE DESIGNATION.

-- COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING AREA AND STAFF APPROVAL OF THE PCD 023 -- OR JUST 23-001 SIX 1.36 ACRES TO PCD. ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF AT THIS POINT .

>> COMMISSIONER? >> I REMEMBER WHEN THIS ZONING CAME THROUGH WAR. I WAS NOT A FAN OF IT THEN EITHER. THE POINT IS CURRENTLY TODAY, EXCEPT FOR THAT SMALL ADDITIONAL PIECE, THEY HAD VESTED RIGHTS TO BUILD A CAR WASH TODAY. NOTHING WE DO IS GOING TO PREVENT THEM FROM

BUILDING A CAR WASH. >> WE WILL JUST HAVE TO FIT IN WITH THE EXISTING -- CORRECT.

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>> IT LOOKS LIKE MOST OF THE ADDITIONAL AREAS GOING TO BE A DRAINAGE POND. ARE THERE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR STAB AT THIS TIME? IF NOT, WE WILL HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT .

EMILY PIERCE WITH -- AS MR. BROWN SAID, THIS IS AN ENTITLED PROPERTY, ONE ACRE OF IT IS , AND DESIGN THIS, WE REALIZED THAT , IN A MEETING WITH COUNTY STAFF, COUNTY STAFF ACCESS TO THESE ALIGNED IT TO WITH MCDONALD'S, WHICH MEANT WE HAD TO MOVE FURTHER SOUTH . ALSO, WE REALIZE WE NEED A LARGE STRONG WATER POND. WE HAVE DECIDED TO PURCHASE ADDITIONAL PROPERTY AND WE ARE TAKING AN ADDITIONAL .36 ACRES COMBINING IT WITH THE ONE ACRE AND WE HAVE REDESIGNED THE SITE TO BETTER SERVE THE TRAFFIC. WE HAVE OUR ENGINEER HERE AND HE CAN EXPLAIN THE ENGINEERING SIDE OF IT.

I HAVE SOME SITE PLANS I CAN SHARE WITH YOU GUYS. IT LOOKS DISTORTED, I COULD SHARE IT WITH YOU EASIER. AS MS. PIERCE MENTIONED , WE MET WITH COUNTY STAFF TO DISCUSS ACCESS. ONE OF THE REQUEST WAS TO ALIGN THE PROPOSED DRIVEWAY WITH TUNNELS TO FACILITATE ACCESS. IN DOING THAT , YOU CAN SEE WE SHIFTED THE EXIT SLIGHTLY NORTH IN ORDER TO ALIGN THOSE DRIVEWAYS. IN THE GEOMETRY THAT YOU'RE SEEING HERE REALLY FACILITATE ANALYZE THE VEHICLES TO ENTER AND -- SO, MOVING THE PROPOSED DRIVEWAY AS FAR SOUTH AS POSSIBLE ALSO REMOVES COMP RATES AND HELPS ALLEVIATE THE CONFLICTS WITH STACKING TRAFFIC AT THE INTERSECTION.

THAT WAS SOME OF THE THOUGHT PROCESS AND SOME OF THE RATIONAL BEHIND THE GEOMETRY CHANGES. HOPEFULLY, THAT

HELPS. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? >> THAT WE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE ENGINEER? PERMITTED USES. THIS IS THE ADJUSTER HAD PREVIOUSLY. I'M STILL HAVING OBJECTIONS TO THIS. IF WE ARE DOING THE CAR WAS, MY SEEN THESE PERMITTED USES. THESE SHOULD NOT BE

HERE, IN MY OPINION. >> I UNDERSTAND. WE HAD THIS DISCUSSION IN 2017. WE HAD THE PLAN, IF WE PUT IN OTHER USES IN THIS MATTER NOT THE CAR WASH, WE WOULD STOP THE, ARE YOU AND BRING A NEW SITE INTO YOU. I UNDERSTAND YOUR OBJECTION WE WERE NOT ABLE TO SEE I DIE LAST TIME, BUT WE USUALLY PUT IN THE USES THAT WOULD NORMALLY BE ALLOWED UNDER THAT ZONING AS ESSENTIALLY BACKUP IF WE DECIDED NOT TO USE THE SITE. LIKE US , WE WOULD STILL HAVE TO COME BACK AND FUNNY WITH THE NEW SITE LAND.

>> I'VE GOT TO CORRECT SOMETHING USE THAT. THE WORDING SAID THEY WILL BE PERMITTED TO APPROVAL BY THE ZONING CHIEF. WE WILL NOT SEE THOSE CHANGES.

>> I BELIEVE UNDER YOUR CODE, I CAN CHECK WITH MINE. TO CHANGE THE SITE, WE WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK TO THAT.

>> SANJEEV DOES NOT HAVE TO APPROVE A DIFFERENT SITE PLAN,

THAT WOULD HAVE TO COME OUT. >> ALL RIGHT. DO WE HAVE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT'S AGENTS HERE AND ENGINEER ON MS. PIERCE? ALL RIGHT . AT THIS TIME, I'M GOING TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. I DO NOT HAVE ANY COMMENT CARDS ON THIS PARTICULAR MATTER . ALTHOUGH WE HAVE HANDED A NUMBER OF EMAILS OPPOSITION TO THE SYSTEM. IN ONE PRESENT

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TAMMY TIRE , AIR CONDITIONING AND HEAT, AND JENNIFER AND MATTHEW BEAUDRY. AND ALSO, CARLA. I WILL PUT THESE IN THE RECORD, MS. BLANCHET. AT THIS TIME, I THINK WE CAN BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMISSIONS FOR DISCUSSION. FOR EMOTION?

>> I NEED APPROVAL OF STAFF REPORT.

>> WE HAVE A MOTION. IS THERE A SECOND?

>> NOT AS WRITTEN.

HAD . WE HAD THE SAME DISCUSSION. I DON'T THINK IT SHOULD GO FORWARD WHEN IT SAYS BY THE ZONING CHIEF. THAT'S NOT CORRECT . THAT SHOULD BE TAKEN OUT. THE CORRECT LANGUAGE SHOULD BE PUT IN THERE. I ALSO HAVE ISSUES WITH SALE OF GASOLINE. IT CAN BECOME A CONVENIENCE STORE.

THAT'S MY ISSUE WITH IT. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A POLICY, PER SE. IF WE GO TO HAVE A CONSENSUS, YOU NEED TO BE VERY CIVIC. THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT OF A PCD ZONING . I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE HESITATION ON THE APP CAN'T . TO BE MORE SPECIFIC WITH THE APPLICATION. IF YOU DO WANT TO COME BACK AND SELL GASOLINE OR WHATEVER ELSE YOU WANT TO DO, YOU HAVE TO COME BACK TO US ANYWAY. THAT'S MY OBJECTION. I WILL

NOT BE ABLE TO SUPPORT IT. >> AS I UNDERSTAND, THE AMENDMENT WOULD BE TO MOVE THE ZONING REFERENCE AS AN APPROVAL AND REMOVE THE DISTRIBUTION OF GAS AS AN APPROVAL. DID I UNDERSTAND THAT CORRECT?

>> SO IT WAS NOT JUST ONE, IT WAS --

>> IT'S ALL OF THOSE. BUT WASN'T IT JUST A CAR WASH,.? PERSON CAME TO THE FIRST TIME, I DID NOT . NOT THAT I DID NOT SUPPORT THE CAR WASH. BUT I DON'T OR IS THIS KIND OF WRITE YOUR OWN ZONING , WHICH IS YOU COME IN HERE AND SAY YOU WANT A PCD FOR A CAR WASH . BUT BY THE WAY, WE WANT ENTITLEMENT TO DOZENS OF OTHER USES. DO THEY HAVE TO BRING A SITE PLAN BACK? YES. HOWEVER, THEY CAME IN AND SAID WE WANT TO BUILD A GARAGE WITH REPAIR STUDIES AND GAS PUMPS, WE CANNOT SAY IT'S NOT AN ALLOWABLE USE, WE CAN ONLY APPROVE OR DISAPPROVE THE SITE LAND. WHAT I WOULD LIKE IS WHAT BILL SAID. BASICALLY, AND HERE, STARTING ONLINE . 156, EVERYTHING IS STRICT AFTER

THAT. >> I AM NOT OPPOSED TO THE CAR WASH. I JUST DON'T LIKE THE LANGUAGE IN THE PARAGRAPH.

>> AS LONG AS THE LANGUAGE IS IN THERE, I WILL AGAIN LOTS OF THIS. UNLIKE GET OUTVOTED, BUT I DON'T LIKE IT. I DON'T THINK IT'S A WAY A PCD IS DESIGNED TO WORK , WHICH IS OF HIS BA, WHICH WE DON'T HAVE ANYMORE. IT'S BA AND WE WANT TO AT A CAR WASH TO IT. THAT'S NOT A PC .

>> JUST A COMMENT. I WAS HERE WITH RALPH WHEN THIS CAME TO THE FIRST TIME IN 2017 , SEVEN YEARS LATER. YOUR SON HAS AN ON THAT PROPERTY PROBABLY FOR A GOOD PART OF THE SEVEN YEARS SINCE WE WENT AHEAD AND APPROVED THE CHANGE BACK THEN.

WHAT RAISES A LIKE FOR ME IS YOU'RE COMING BACK AND ASKED FOR A LITTLE DIFFERENT ZONING CHANGE, WHICH TO ME, TELLS ME THAT YOU MAY OR MAY NOT WANT TO BUILD THAT CAR WASH, BUT YOU

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HAMILTON TO ADDRESS THIS. >> REBECCA HAMILTON . I APPRECIATE ALL OF YOUR COMMENTS. I DO. I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THE REASON THIS IS SET FOR SO LONG, OBVIOUSLY THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF CHANGE IN OUR ECONOMIC IN THE PAST SEVERAL YEARS. WE DID TABLE IT AND PUT IT ON THE BACK FOR A WHILE WHILE WE FOCUSED ON SOME OTHER THINGS. AS FAR AS MOVING FORWARD . -- THE EMAILS YOU RECEIVE PRIMARILY FROM THE PEOPLE, THERE OPPOSITION WAS TO THE CAR WASH. MY QUESTION IS IS SOMETHING HAPPEN AND WE DON'T BUILD A CAR WASH THERE, WHAT OTHER THINGS DID YOU ALLOW THERE AND DO WE INCLUDE

POSTING? >> THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. I WILL HAVE TO RESPOND TO IT. NOTHING PRESENT CHANGES WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO SAY HERE. WHICH IS YOU ARE A CAR WASH, IT'S PCD, IT'S A CAR WASH. A YEAR FROM NOW, IF YOU DECIDE THIS CAR WASH IS JUST NOT GOING TO WORK , AND YOU WANTED TO BE A GAS STATION, COME BACK AND CHANGE IT TO BE A GAS STATION.

DOING THAT. >> THAT WOULD STRIKE ALL THESE ADDITIONAL USES. THE CAR WASH YOU GOT, I KNOW PEOPLE WILL, WE HAVE A LOT OF LETTERS OBJECTING TO IT. I DON'T UNDERSTAND IS ARTIE PERMITTED FOR THE CAR WASH. YOU'RE TRYING TO DO A BETTER PLAN, WHICH WE DO APPRECIATE. IT'S NOT THE CAR WASH THAT THE PROBLEM, IT'S THE OTHER STUFF THAT'S CAUSING US -- YEAH.

>> AS A PCD, AND MY MIND, IT SHOULD BE VERY SPECIFIC. IT'S EITHER A CAR WASH OR CONVENIENCE STORE . NOT JUST WORK IT OUT AND MAKE IT THIS WAY. WHICH ONE ARE WE APPROVING? THE CAR WASH? MAYBE NOT A CAR WASH, MAYBE TURN INTO A CONVENIENCE STORE . I GET WHAT YOU GUYS ARE TRYING TO DO.

A FEW MONTHS AGO, WE HAVE THE SAME CONVERSATION.

>> CAN WE BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMISSION?

>> LET'S BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMISSION. ARE WE READY?

>> WE HAVE A MOTION. I HAD TO DECIDE IF I MAY, MADAM CHAIR. I WILL AGREE WITH THE COMMISSION'S ZONING CHIEF SOLO AUTHORITIES , AS THAT IS NOT THE CASE . I WILL ALSO AGREE, BECAUSE WE TALKED ABOUT THIS AND THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE MORE LASER FOCUS. UNDER PERMITTED USES. IT WAS REALLY JUST BE THAT YOUR SENTENCE, A SELF-SERVICE TUNNEL CAR WASH WITH SELF-SERVICE VACUUM PATIENTS THE CAR WASH. THE ADDITIONAL , I WOULD AGREE WITH THE AMENDMENT COMMISSIONERS.

LEXI >> I SECOND THAT. IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION, PLEASE SAY I. ALL OF THE SAME . THE MOTION CARRIES.

[3.  Public Hearing to consider ZON 24-0002. (B. Carson)]

ZON 24-0002. THIS IS COUNTY INITIATED APPLICATION TO UPDATE THE FIRE PROTECTION STANDARDS THAT ARE REFERENCED IN THE COUNTY'S LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, ARTICLE EIGHT WHICH IS HARD DESIGN STANDARDS. THIS WILL BE HER BY THE BCC NEXT TUESDAY AT THE FEBRUARY 13TH MEETING AT 5:00 P.M. THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT IS TO SECTION 8-20 COLLEGES FIRE PROTECTION VENDORS. AND THE ACTUAL AMENDMENT READS AS FOLLOWS, FIRE PROTECTION SHOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH THE REQUIREMENTS OF ONE, THE CURRENT OPTION FOR THE PROVIDER PREVENTION CODE FOR CHAPTER 633 FLORIDA STATUTE.

AND THE 1141 STANDARD FOR PRIOR PROTECTION. FOR WILDLAND

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>> I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION . I WILL ASK CHIEF, BECAUSE I'M JUST CURIOUS WHAT LOOKS LIKE WE ARE JUST ADOPTING THE STANDARD. EXCEPT FOR SUBSECTION 8128 THREE. WHAT ARE THE SUBSECTIONS AND WHY WHEN I ADOPTING THIS?

>> ON THE FIRE CHIEF . FIRE MARSHAL ANTHONY RHODES HERE WITH ME. HE WORKS ON THIS EVERY DAY AND WILL BE MORE OF AN EXPERT, BUT I CAN TELL YOU IT'S SOME. FIRST, WE TOOK A LOOK AT WHAT THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE WAS, WE RELIED ON THE FIRE PROTECTION HANDBOOK. IF YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THE DOCUMENT, IT LOOKS LIKE A PRETTY DECENT LAW BOOK. AND WE LOOKED AT IT AND SAID WE USE THE FLORIDA FIRE PREVENTION CODE FOR STATE STATUTE ON ALMOST A DAILY BASIS. WHERE WE COULD USE THE SYSTEM, WE COAT AND STANDARD THAT APPLIES SPECIFICALLY TO WILDLAND , RURAL AND SUBURBAN AREAS WHICH I THINK IS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMMUNITY LIVING HERE I ASKED HIM TO REVIEW IT . WHEN THEY REVIEWED IT THEY SAID IT'S A GOOD IDEA. I WOULD LIKE RESIDENTIAL SPRINKLER SYSTEM INSTALLATIONS IN EVERY THAT GOES IN -- ISAAC STANDS RIGHT NOW OR WHERE THE COMMUNITY WOULD BE. I AM A PROPONENT OF THAT. I CAN TELL YOU WHERE THE WATER SUPPLY CURRENTLY IS WITHIN CLAY COUNTY WILL BE A VERY COOL THING TO ACHIEVE FOR ANYBODY BUILDING A NEW RESIDENCE. ONE OF THE SECTIONS EXEMPTED APPLIES TO EXEMPTION FOR THE RESIDENTIAL SPRINKLER SYSTEM. THE SECOND ONE IS ON THE LOCAL FIRE WARNING SYSTEMS IN THE STRUCTURE. ANY STRUCTURE THE HAS TWO OR MORE RESIDENT WOULD REQUIRE THE LOCAL FIRE ALARM SYSTEM WHICH YOU SEE IN A SCHOOL OR PUBLIC BUILDING LIKE THIS. WE JUST EXEMPT FALLBACK TO THE FLOOR . FOR THE APPLICABILITY .

THOSE WERE THE TWO THAT WERE EXEMPTED. WE THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE FOR IT. WE BELIEVE THIS IS A VERY OVERDUE UPDATE REQUIRED FOR THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE . I THINK THAT'S WHY WE HEAR TODAY TO PRESENT THIS BEFORE YOU.

>> THANK YOU. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU. I DON'T HAVE ANY COMMENT ON THIS. I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS . SEEING NO ONE, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND BRING IT TO THE COMMISSION OR DISCUSSION AND EMOTION.

>> I'M ON THE STAFF REPORT. >> MOTION FOR AND IN

[4.  Public Hearing to consider COMP-24-0003 (Transportation Element) (D. Selig)]

[5.  Public Hearing to consider ZON 23-0029 (Airport Code). (D. Selig)]

PLANNER. >> GOOD EVENING . I WILL JUST BE A SECOND.

ITEM NUMBER FOUR IN ITEM NUMBER FIVE ARE ALL CONNECT IT. I KIND OF GIVE YOU ALL ONE OVERVIEW OF ALL THREE ITEMS. THESE ARE ALL RELATED TO. THE FIRST ITEM, WHICH IS NUMBER FOUR ON THE AGENDA IS FOR ITEM COMP 24-0003 THIS IS A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT TO THE TRANSPORTATION ELEMENT PACIFICALLY. I WILL GO THROUGH THAT IN DETAIL IN THE FEELING IS. THE SECOND ITEM, NUMBER FIVE ON THE AGENDA IS ZON 23-0029. THE HAS TWO PARTS. THE FIRST IS A CHANGE IN ARTICLE THREE. WHICH IS OUR ZONING CODE. THAT IS FOR AIRCRAFT AND

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RESPONSE TO THE STATUE. SCHECHTER 333 IN THE STATUES .

THAT'S RELATED TO PUBLIC USE AIRCRAFT LANDING SORTIES.

SPECIFICALLY, A DIRECTIVE TO LOCAL GOVERNMENT TO PROVIDE REGULATIONS TO PUBLIC USE AIRCRAFT. WHILE IS NOT REQUIRED BY THE STATUTE, THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT HAS NOT BEEN EXPANDED -- ENCLOSED A REGULATION OF RABBIT USED IN THE 70S. THAT WOULD BE ON A VOLUNTARY BASIS. THE ZONING TEXT AMENDMENT -- I'M SORRY. JUST GOT THE SLIDES SLIGHTLY OUT OF ORDER. LAST-MINUTE CHANGE. I NEED TO ADDRESS THE CONFERENCE OF PLAN . THAT'S THE FIRST ONE THAT YOU'RE GOING OR THIS AMENDMENT, THE LANGUAGE IS UNDER THE FIVE D TRANSPORTATION. IT WILL MAKE THE CHANGES YOU SEE HERE, THERE ARE A COUPLE OF OTHERS -- TWO STRIKEOUTS AND SOME ADDITIONS. TO THE GOAL OF ADDING THE POTENTIAL TO THE OBJECT , WE ARE SAYING THAT IT PROVIDES AN EXEMPTION OF PRE-EXISTING PRIVATE AIRCRAFT LANDING FACILITIES. AND IN THE POLICY , AGAIN, WE WILL BE ADDING AND CREATING DEVELOPMENT INSTEAD OF DEVELOP INSTRUCTION . IT SPECIFIES THAT IT -- EXCUSE ME. IT'S PUBLIC AIRPORT LANDINGS AND PUBLIC SERVICE AREAS AND PROVIDES EXCEPTION FOR THE CHANGES FOR THE ZONING TEXT AMENDMENT FOR ARTICLE THREE IS BROKEN INTO FIVE PARTS. FIRST PART IS GENERAL REGULATIONS, SECOND IS CONDITIONAL USE APPROVAL AND PERMITTING PROCESS. AND PART THREE IS SPECIFIC TO PUBLIC USE AIRPORTS. PART FOUR IS SPECIFIC TO PRIVATE USE AND PART FIVE IS SPECIFIC TO OUR SIZE. THIS APPLIES TO AIRCRAFT BUYING SO THESE AND -- OVER WHICH THE COUNTY HAS JURISDICTION. . IT ALSO INCLUDES THE REPORT ZONING CONDITIONS. -- ALONG WITH TWO REP SENATORS FROM TWO EXISTING AIRPORTS IN THE COUNTY THAT WOULD BE APPOINTED BY COUNTY COMMISSIONERS. THE PART ONE REGULATIONS THESE ARE THE LIST OF THE CURRENTLY AVAILABLE AIRPORT FACILITIES WITHIN CLAY COUNTY AS LISTED BY THE FAA INCLUDING THE DESIGNATION UNDER MOST OF THE. THERE ARE TWO PUBLIC USE AIRPORTS KEYSTONE HEIGHTS . AND THEN THERE ARE NUMBER OF PRIVATE USE FACILITIES AND A NUMBER OF FACILITIES BROKEN OUT IN THE SAME ORDER THE ORDINANCE ADDRESSES. THIS IS A MAP OF THE FACILITIES THAT EXISTING AT THE PRESENT TIME. SOME OF THEM ARE SO SMALL YOU REALLY CANNOT SEE THEM IN YOUR SITTING

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WE HAVE KEYSTONE DOWN HERE . THIS WOULD BE THE SPENCERS AND THIS IS THE WILLIAMS. THIS IS HOW VERY THIS IS THE PRACTICE PLAY. THERE'S THE STOP HERE FOR SAINT. SOPHIA DOES NOT ACTUALLY DO THIS COUNTY. THE OTHER ARE TINY . THERE IS A SEAPLANE BASED ON HERE .

THERE'S ANOTHER PRIVATE HELICOPTER THAT JUST DOES NOT SHOW UP. IN PART TWO, CONDITIONAL USE OF APPROVAL AND PERMITTING PART , THIS PROVIDES A PROCESS OF CONDITIONAL USE APPROVAL BY THE BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS. IT WILL BE REQUIRED FOR ANY NEW AIRCRAFT LANDING SALINITY THAT MIGHT BE PROPOSED FOR THE MODIFICATION OF AN EXISTING AIRCRAFT LANDING FACILITY. ONCE APPLICATION OF THAT CONDITION IS PERMANENTLY SUBMITTED . IT WILL BE BY THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW COMMITTEE WHICH WILL PROVIDE COMMENTS TO THE AIR ZONING COMMISSION , WHICH WOULD THEN ENTER MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE BOARD AS MUCH AS WE DO OTHER LAND-USE CHANGE. APPLICATIONS. IN THE BOARD AND MAKES THE FINAL DETERMINATION. REGARDING THE EXISTING AIRCRAFT LANDING FACILITIES , THERE WERE THREE PROVISIONS . THE FIRST IS THAT SHOULD THIS BE PASSED, THEN ORDINANCE WOULD BE CONSIDERED THESE PRE-EXISTING FACILITIES AS LEGALLY NON- CONFORMING CONDITIONAL USES AND THEY WOULD NOT BE REQUIRED TO ATTAIN A NEW APPROVAL OF A CONDITIONAL USE. AS A LEGALLY NONCONFORMING USE, THEY CAN CONTINUE , BUT THOSE TYPES OF USES MAY NOT BE EXPANDED OR UNLOCKED WITHOUT APPROVAL. IF THEY WISH TO EXPAND FUTURE THEY WOULD NEED TO GO BACK FOR APPROVAL OF THE CONDITIONAL USE. NUMBER TWO IS ADDRESSING THE PRE-EXISTING FACILITIES WOULD BE GOVERNED BY PROVISIONS IN PART OR AND OR FIVE COLLEGES PRIVATE OR HELLO PORT OR HELLO STOP SECTIONS OF THE PORT . THEY SHOULD ONLY APPLY TO THOSE PRE-EXISTING PRIVATE USE FACILITIES WAS IN A CURRENTLY OUT PLANT TO THE COUNTY. THE PLANNING AND ZONING DISTRICT SPECIFIC WITHIN 18 MONTHS . THE ADOPTION OF THE ORDINANCE AND THE LAYOUT PLAN SHALL INCLUDE THE ELEMENTS THAT ARE LISTED IN SECTION . ITEMIZES ITEMS THAT NEED TO BE ON THE PLAN. AND THEN LINE 3 , THOSE PRE-EXISTING FACILITIES WHICH VOLUNTARILY COMPLIED WITH NUMBER TWO. SUBMITTING THE BEEF CENTRAL REQUIRING OWNING ALL THE LANDS. PARTS THREE, FOUR, AND FIVE ARE LAID OUT THE SAME. THEY DIFFER IN THE TYPE OF FACILITY THEY ADDRESS . THEY PROVIDE THE SAME BASIC INFORMATION FOR EACH ONE TO EACH ADDRESS. ZONING DISTRICTS , WHERE THE FACILITIES ARE ALLOWED, THEY INDICATE THE STOPS ARE AT EXCESSIVE USE TOURED THE HOSPITAL HOWEVER THE HOSPITAL MIGHT BE PERMITTED.

THEY PROVIDE PERMISSION FOR AIRCRAFT LANDING FACILITIES WITHIN 2000 FEET OF A WILD ANIMAL SANCTUARY. THEY PROVIDE LAND , AREA, SITE DEVELOPMENT SAID . THERE'S A SET FOR USE RESTRICTIONS -- THEY ADDRESS THIS LOCATION OF THE AIRCRAFT REPAIR. IN ADDITION TO THE CHANGES IN ARTICLE THREE ADJUSTMENT AND, WE HAVE SEPARATE ORDINANCE. THIS AFFECTS ARTICLE 12. THIS AMENDMENT PROVIDES A DESCRIPTION OF ZONING COMMISSIONS THAT'S PROPOSED UNDER ARTICLE THREE. IN ADDITION IT REQUIRES A COMMON

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THE SUBJECT TO APPLICATION FOR CHANGE OR ANY FUTURE LAND ZONING WILL BE REQUIRED TO NOTICE THE PROPERTY OWNER OF THAT AIRPORT.

STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF AMENDMENT 24 E- THREE. AND ZONING AMENDMENT 23-0029 AND HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS.

>> WHAT IS EXPECTED OF THE SETBACK. I KNOW EVERYTHING WE HAVE HERE IS PRETTY MUCH EXISTENCE. FOR ANYONE WHO WANTED TO COME IN WOULD EVENTUALLY BUILD A NEW AIR OR RUNWAY OR WHATEVER. THEY WOULD BE THE ONES WHO ARE REQUIRED TO KEEP THE 300 FOOT OFF OF ANY PROPERTY LINES THAT WERE KIND OF ALL INTO THAT CATEGORY, CORRECT. IT WOULD BECOME THE PROPERTY OWNER TO HAVE TO RELOCATE ANYTHING FOR THAT

PURPOSE. >> CORRECT. THERE IS A CLAUSE WITHIN THE ORDINANCE THAT SAYS NO STRUCTURE CAN BE REQUIRED TO BE LOWERED OR MOVED . THEY TRY TO ADDRESS THAT CHICKEN AND EGG , WHICH ONE CAME FIRST KIND OF THING. IF A NEW AIRPORT COMES IN, IT'S A COMMON UPON THEM TO PROVIDE ALL THE LAND THAT THEY NEED TO MEET ALL OF THE SETBACK REQUIRED.

>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM HIS SEE LORD ?

>> SO THE NEW NOTIFICATION WOULD GO TO 1400 FEET TO ADJACENT LANDOWNERS? WHAT IS IT CURRENTLY ?

>> 350. >> APPLY ONLY TO AIRPORTS,

RIGHT? >> YES. IT APPLIES ONLY TO AIRPORT. ZONING AND LAND-USE CHANGE WITHIN THE DISTANCE OF

THE WORK. EITHER WAY. >> OTHER QUESTIONS .

COMMISSIONER GARRISON. >> OTHER DAY, I GOT AN EMAIL BRINGING TO MY ATTENTION THAT THEY WANT KAW CITY GREEN COOK SPRINGS WAS TO CONTROL AUTHORITY OVER AIRPORTS WITHIN CITY BOUNDARIES. THIS MENTIONS THE -- COULD YOU TALK ABOUT

THAT A LITTLE BIT? >> ABSOLUTELY. I'M GLAD YOU BROUGHT THAT UP. THE REYNOLDS AIRPORT IS ONLY WITHIN THE CITY OF GREEN COVE SPRINGS.

IN FACT, WE'VE ADDED THE WORD INCORPORATED. THE DRAFT YOU HAVE TO DOES NOT SAY THAT. I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH OUR LEGAL TEAM ALL DAY AND YESTERDAY MAKING CHANGES AND TWEAKS . THAT IS ONE TO ADDRESS THE ISSUE TRYING TO SPECIFY THAT THIS SECTION, IF IT'S APPROVED, APPLIES TO UNINCORPORATED . WE ARE NOT -- ARE ZONING DOES NOT APPLY TO LAND AND GREEN COVE SPRINGS. REGULATIONS THAT APPLY TO AT ALL WITHIN THEIR BOUNDARIES. IF IT EXPANDS, IN ANY IMPACT WOULD ONLY BE TO LAND IT ALREADY IN THE COUNTY , SHOULD THERE RUNWAY EXPAND INTO THE COUNTY -- OUTSIDE OF THE

MUNICIPAL BOUNTY. >> THANK YOU.

>> SO THE EVER EXPANDING THEIR WENT TO THE EDGE OF THE PROPERTY . SOME OF THE STUFF IN THE ORDINANCE WITHIN THE COUNTY AN INTERLOCAL THING THAT YOU HAVE

>> I'M GOING TO HAVE TO DEFER TO LEGAL.

>> THE OTHER QUESTION IS , WITH THE PRIVATE AIRPORTS , IF THEY DON'T OPT INTO THIS AND THEY WANT TO EXPAND , DOES THAT

ANY OF THIS APPLY TO THEM? >> YES.

>> EVEN IF THEY DON'T OPT IN.

>> YES. THE NEED FOR CONDITIONAL USE.

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] >> ONE WAY IS THE AIRPORT ITSELF. WHEN WE WERE DOING MAPPING AND CREATING THE MAPS , WE HAD TO GIVE SPECIFIC PARCELS TO THE GIS DEPARTMENT TO LOCATE THEM. THE PROPERTIES WITH THE HANGERS THAT ARE ADJACENT TO BROADWAY ITSELF -- WE WILL CALL IT THE WESTSIDE. THEY ARE NOT PART OF A PLATTED SUBDIVISION. THEY ARE INDIVIDUAL RESIDENTIAL LOTS. THE LARGE ONES ON THE EAST -- THOSE ARE IN A SUBDIVISION THAT WAS PLATTED THAT GAVE TAXIWAY ACCESS TO THE HELLER RUNWAY ITSELF . BUT THEY ARE NOT ONE ENTITY. THEY REALLY HAVE MULTIPLE ENTITIES.

>> FURTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? WE DO HAVE A LOT OF COMMENTS ON THIS PARTICULAR MATTER . I THINK AT THIS TIME WE WILL GO AHEAD AND OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. AND WE WILL START .

WHEN I CALL YOUR NAME , COME FORWARD AND TAKE YOUR THREE MINUTES AND STATE YOUR VIEWS ON THIS. WE WILL START WITH JOE TIERNEY. AFTER MR. TIERNEY , PAM TIERNEY ALSO FILLED OUT A CARD IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK.

>> GOOD EVENING. JOE TIERNEY. 1196 CROSSROADS DRIVE . HELLER.

I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. WE FIRST WENT OVER ALL OF THE PROPOSED REGULATIONS FOR ZONING. I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS BASED ON THAT. ONE OF THEM IN PART TWO, SECTION A , DO THESE ZONING REQUIREMENTS APPLY TO NON-PLATTED PRIVATE AIRPORTS ? I DOUBT IF CLAY COUNTY HAS ANY PRIVATE AIRPORTS THAT ARE PLATTED . I DOUBT THAT SPENCERS IS. IS IT POSSIBLE TO REMOVE OR MODIFY THAT WORDING ? BECAUSE THEN IT APPLIES TO US. AND WE ARE INTERESTED IN OPTING IN . MY SECOND QUESTION, IN ADDITION TO PART FOUR , THE ZONING REQUIRES ALL MAJOR REPAIRS OF AIRCRAFT TO BE DONE IN AN ENCLOSED STRUCTURE. I THINK THAT SHOULD NOT BE THE PURVIEW OF THE COUNTY. I THINK THAT SHOULD BE THE PURVIEW OF THE MANAGEMENT TEAM THAT RUNS THE AIRPORT. I CAN TELL YOU THAT THAT PUBLIC USE AIRPORTS , MOST OF THEM PROVIDE HANGAR PEOPLE OR PEOPLE WHO HAVE AIRPLANES THERE THAT DON'T HAVE A HANGAR .

THEY PROVIDE AN OPEN SPOT THEY CAN DO MAJOR REPAIRS TO THEIR AIRPLANE. SO I THINK IT SHOULD NOT BE IN THIS ORDINANCE THAT SAYS YOU HAVE TO BE IN AN ENCLOSED BUILDING BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE. MY THIRD QUESTION IS, CAN THE COUNTY PROVIDE A NAME OF SOMEONE WHO WOULD BE AN ACCEPTABLE AIRPORT PLANNING SPECIALIST THAT CAN DO AN AIRPORT PLAN ? THAT WAS ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I ASKED . AND THEN MY LAST QUESTION IS, WITH THE CITY OF GREEN COVE SPRINGS SINCE THEY WANT TO OWN RENTALS -- WOULD THEY BE REQUIRED TO DEVELOP AIRPORT ZONING REQUIREMENTS? JUST LIKE CLAY COUNTY? THE STATE REGULATION 333 SAYS -- WHAT IS THE RIGHT WORDING HERE? A POLITICAL SUBDIVISION IS REQUIRED TO DEVELOP THIS ZONING . THAT WAS IN 2016. SO CLAY IS JUST NOW GETTING TO IT. WITH THE CITY OF GREEN COVE SPRINGS ALSO BE REQUIRED TO DEVELOP THEIR OWN REGULATIONS? THANK YOU.

>> AT THIS TIME , PAM TIERNEY , DID YOU WANT TO ADDRESS THE

COMMISSION? >> PAM TIERNEY. CROSSWINDS

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THERE ARE HANGARS THERE THAT HAVE NO HOUSE AT ALL. SO I HATE TO SEE IT GET BOXED IN THEIR PROPERTY. THEY CANNOT BUILD A HOUSE THERE. THEY CANNOT IMPROVE THEIR HOUSE . THE BIG THING THAT I READ IS PLATTED OR SUBDIVIDED. FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, IT IS PLATTED NOW. OURS WAS A LONG TIME AGO. I REALLY DON'T KNOW.

BUT THAT WORD RIGHT THERE CAN MAKE A BIG DIFFERENCE. I AM NOT ON A RUNWAY . THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT ARE. THEY WOULD BE IN TROUBLE

>> THANK YOU. THE NEXT SPEAKER WE HAVE IS DEBORAH CARPENTER .

MS. CARPENTER WILL BE FOLLOWED BY DONNIE OAKLEY.

>> GOOD AFTERNOON , COMMISSIONERS. MY NAME IS DEBBIE CARPENTER. I LIVE AT 175 BEALE JENNINGS ROAD 32065. I RECEIVED A LETTER IN THE MAIL . I OWN LOT 39 AND 47 OF THE SMITH EDITION, WHICH IS ADJACENT TO THE PROPERTY. INAUDIBLE ] PROPOSED AIRPORT ZONING REGULATIONS. MY CONCERNS ARE NOT ONLY -- I UNDERSTAND THE REZONING WON'T AFFECT MY PROPERTY. THE REZONING THAT PARCEL. THAT THEY ARE SUBMITTED FOR. BUT MY PROPERTY IS ADJACENT TO IT AND I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE LAND USAGE IS WHAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT.

WHAT I CAN DO WITH THIS LAND. I HAVE OWNED IT SINCE THE EARLY 80S. LOT 3947. MY CONCERN IS UNDER ARTICLE THREE , SECTION 349 , WHERE IT HAS THE RESTRICTIONS -- THERE'S MANY OF THEM. BUT MY MOST CONCERNING ONE IS THE BUILDING GREATER THAN 35 FEET HIGH. I FEEL LIKE THIS KILLS MY LAND USAGE -- WHAT I CAN USE IT FOR IN THE FUTURE. I POSSIBLY WOULD WANT TO MAYBE DO COMMERCIAL OR SOMETHING ON THERE, BUT MY MOST CONCERN IS IF I WANT TO BUILD ON IT, HOW RESTRICTED AM I? WHAT IS THIS EXACTLY GOING TO DO TO THIS LAND? IT IS LIKE SOMEDAY BUYING A PARCEL OF LAND FOR THE STORE AND DECIDE ALL THE PROPERTIES AROUND IT ARE GOING TO BE THE PARKING LOTS.

SO YOU ARE ACTUALLY USING MY LAND FOR YOUR BUFFER ZONE, OKAY? MY CONCERNS ARE, ONE, I DON'T WANT RESTRICTIONS ON MY LAND BECAUSE IT KILLS WHAT I WOULD POSSIBLY PLAN FOR IT.

AND THE SECOND THING THAT IS REALLY CONCERNING TO ME IS NOT ONLY THAT BUT WHEN SOMEBODY BUILDS SOMETHING AND THEY OPPOSE THIS AREA HERE AND ALL OF A SUDDEN BECAUSE YOU WANT A BUFFER ZONE YOU ARE GOING TO ENLARGE HERE INSTEAD BUT THEY DON'T OWN THAT -- THEY ONLY OWN HERE. DO YOU SEE WHAT I MEAN? WHAT I WOULD RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THIS BOARD IS THAT ANYTHING CONTAINED IN THE AIRPORT OR FIELDS OR ANYTHING IS CONTAINED WITHIN THE LIMITS OF THE PERIMETER OF THEIR PROPERTIES. NOT THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES. NO FOOTAGE. NOTHING TO MY PROPERTY. YOU START WHERE YOURS STARTS OUT AND GO INWARDS. AND DON'T INJECT YOUR ZONING OR YOUR LAND USAGE ONTO ME . I HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH WHAT YOU WANT TO DO WITH YOUR PROPERTY. THAT IS ANOTHER THING TOO. THIS PROPERTY IS KIND OF CONCERNING TO ME. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ARE AWARE OR NOT, BUT IF YOU GO IN THE COUNTY AND YOU PULL UP THE LAD MAP OF WHO OWNS WHAT, THIS GRAYS ACTION IS ALL OWNED BY THE ARMORY BOARD ALL THE WAY DOWN TO KEYSTONE HEIGHTS. THE MILITARY OWNS IT. THIS PROPERTY SITS ON MILITARY PROPERTY. MY LAND IS RIGHT ADJACENT RIGHT THERE. BUT ALSO THE IMPACT AROUND THE LAND AND AROUND THE LAKES AND ALL -- IT IMPACTS

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IF THEY WANT TO PLACE AN AIRPORT, THEY'VE GOT THOUSANDS OF ACRES TO PLACE IT. THEY CAN WELL KEEP IT AWAY FROM OUR PROPERTIES. THANK YOU. AND PLEASE CONSIDER THAT FOR OUR SAKE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

>> THANK YOU. I HAD DON YOU OAKLEY NEXT. WE WILL HEAR FROM PAT LEE FOLLOWING MR. YOKLEY .

>> GOOD EVENING.

2016 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. HAD THESE ORDINANCES BEEN PUT IN PLACE HAVE THE WORKSHOP WITH MYSELF AS AIRPORT MANAGER. SUBMITTING A LOT OF CHANGES TO THESE ORDINANCE PROPOSALS. BUT I HAVE NOT HEARD ANY FEEDBACK YET ON WHAT WE ARE SUGGESTING. I AM RETIRED FROM CSX.

ABOUT THIS INDUSTRY. I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A LITTLE MORE INPUT . ASSIST YOU GUYS IN MAKING PROPER RECOMMENDATIONS . WITH THAT SAID , I WOULD APPRECIATE HAVING SOME MORE FEEDBACK GOING TO DO. THE MAIN THING THIS IS GOING TO DO IS PROTECT PUBLIC SAFETY IS PUBLIC OR PRIVATE.

YOU VERY MUCH. >> DID YOU GIVE YOUR ADDRESS

WHEN YOU CAME UP ? >> I MAY HAVE MISSED THAT. 383 FOLLOWING PAT LEE, WE WILL HEAR FROM -- I HAVE A CARD FROM LARRY AND STEPHANIE HILL .

>> I'M PATRICK LEE. 319 OH DRIVE SOUTH . I HAVE TWO LOTS AT HELLER AIRPORT. I WOULD LIKE TO THANK YOU FOR ALL THE WORK YOU HAVE DONE ON THIS. IT HAS BEEN A GIANT SLOG. I WOULD LIKE TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF A BACKGROUND . STARTING THIS WHOLE THING . MANY OF THE FOLKS IN THE COUNTY HAVE TOLD US IF WE DID NOT WANT ANYBODY LIVING RIGHT OFF THE END OF OUR RUNWAY, WE SHOULD BUY THE PROPERTY. AND IT SOUNDS RIGHT, BUT WE THOUGHT WE WERE IN A COUNTY THAT WAS PROTECTED BY ZONING RULES. FOR INSTANCE -- FOR EXAMPLE, YOU BUY A HOUSE THAT HAS AN EMPTY LOT NEXT DOOR, I'M PRETTY SURE BECAUSE OF ZONING RULES THE GUY IS NOT GOING TO COME IN AND PUT A HAZARDOUS WASTE DISPOSAL PLANT RIGHT NEXT DOOR BECAUSE OF THE ZONING RULES. THE LAND AROUND HELLER AIRPARK HAD BEEN FOR OVER 100 YEARS. WE HAD NO IDEA THE BOROUGH THAT AND THE LAND AROUND THE BOROUGH. JUST OFF THE END OF THE RUNWAY WOULD BE TURNED INTO A TRAILER PARK WITH CONCENTRATED LIVING. WE HAD NO NEED TO BUY THAT LAND BECAUSE IT WAS AGRICULTURE. NOBODY COULD LAND -- LIVE THERE. IT HAD BEEN AGRICULTURE FOR 100 YEARS. WE DID NOT REALIZE THE OWNER OF THAT PROPERTY HAD IT REZONED WITHOUT THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITY HAVING AN INPUT OR EVEN KNOWING THE PROCESS WAS UNDERWAY. WE WERE WRONG. THE SYSTEM IS DESIGNED FOR NEIGHBORS TO HAVE INPUT ON THE ZONING OF ADJACENT LAND . AS WE ALL KNOW, THAT DID NOT HAPPEN IN THIS CASE. FOR YOU NON-AVIATORS, THE REASON THIS IS SO IMPORTANT -- THE DANGER ZONES OFF THE END OF ANY RUNWAY ARE IMPORTANT. I'M GOING TO RELATE IT TO SULLY SULLIVAN. YOU ALL KNOW ABOUT HIM. AIRBUS 320 THAT TOOK OFF OUT OF LAGUARDIA AND HAD TO LAND IN FEBRUARY IN THE HUDSON RIVER. HE LOST BOTH ENGINES. ANY AIRPLANE -- EVEN AN AIRLINER CAN GLIDE LIKE A BICYCLE IF YOU'RE AT THE TOP OF THE HILL. YOU DON'T HAVE TO PEDDLE TO GO DOWNHILL.

AIRPLANES ARE THE SAME WAY. THE ONLY OPTION HE HAD WAS TO LAND -- THE ONLY OPTION HE HAD THAT DID NOT INVOLVE KILLING PEOPLE ON THE GROUND -- WAS TO LAND IN THE HUDSON RIVER. JUST LIKE

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>> THANK YOU. THANK YOU. SO, LARRY AND STEPHANIE HILL.

IF YOU WOULD STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS BEFORE YOU

BEGIN. >> STEPHANIE AND LARRY HILL.

2688 POINSETTIA AVENUE . 32068.

>> YOU CAN PULL THAT MICROPHONE CLOSER TO YOUR MOUTH .

>> CAN YOU GET THAT? IS THIS BETTER?

>> YES, MA'AM. >> I HAVE JUST A COUPLE QUESTIONS. I WOULD JUST READ THEM OFF. IF THIS AIRPORT SITUATION CAME TO PASS , WOULD THERE BE ANY COMPENSATION FOR US FOR OUR PRIVATE PROPERTY DEVALUATION? ANY COMPENSATION FOR PROPERTY DEVALUATION ? NUMBER TWO , HAVE THERE BEEN ANY POLLUTION STUDIES DONE ABOUT THIS AND HOW IT WOULD AFFECT OUR AREA SINCE IT IS RESIDENTIAL NOW ? ALSO, HOW ABOUT TRAFFIC STUDIES? THIS WOULD REALLY CHANGE THE BUSY HIGHWAY RIGHT THERE . INFRASTRUCTURE TO DEAL WITH ROADS , SEWAGE, ET CETERA. AND THEN NOISE POLLUTION. WE ARE DEFINITELY CONCERNED ABOUT NOISE POLLUTION AND THE TRAFFIC OF AIRPLANES COMING AND GOING . IT IS A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD. WE BOUGHT PROPERTY RECENTLY JUST FOR THE FACT THAT IT WAS BASICALLY RURAL -- FOR FLORIDA, DEFINITELY RURAL. WE LOVE THE AREA. IT HAS APPRECIATED 300% NOW -- 200 OR 300 IN A FEW SHORT YEARS. AND WOULD WE JUST HAVE TO GIVE IT AWAY IF WE WERE GOING TO SELL IT? THAT'S IT.

ADD ANYTHING? THANK YOU. I HAVE A CARD FOR GEORGE GOODRICH . FOLLOWING THAT, WE WILL HEAR FROM KENT WILLIAMS.

>> GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS GEORGE GOODRICH. 3776 COUNTY

ROAD . 315 A . >> YOU MIGHT NEED TO PULL THE

MICROPHONE. >> A LITTLE BETTER? GEORGE GOODRICH. 3776 COUNTY ROAD B 315 A. LONGTIME RESIDENT .

ALONG WITH MOST EVERYBODY HERE. ALSO A UNDEVELOPED LOT INAUDIBLE ] MY TAKEAWAYS ARE A COUPLE OF CONCERNS I HAVE WITH THE ORDINANCE AS WRITTEN JUST BASED ON MY UNDERSTANDING .

OBVIOUSLY AS MR. TIERNEY REFERENCED EARLIER , EXTERIOR REPAIR VERSUS ENCLOSURE OF AIRCRAFT WOULD BE A CONCERN.

SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE HANDLED BY AIRPORT MANAGEMENT.

ANOTHER MANAGERIAL CONCERN WOULD BE ANY BUILDING PERMITS AS FAR AS WITHIN THE SUBDIVISION WITHIN HALLER . IF I WANTED TO CONSTRUCT A HANGER VERSUS A RESIDENTIAL

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>> KENT WILLIAMS. >> KENT WILLIAMS. 4273 BLUEBERRY STREET . I APOLOGIZE FOR NOT MAKING IT TO YOUR WORKSHOP. I THINK WE MIGHT HAVE GOTTEN SOME OF THESE PROBLEMS RESOLVED . BUT THERE IS SOME THINGS THAT'S A REAL PROBLEM WITH IN THESE RULES THAT YOU HAVE SET UP . THE ZONING RULES. WHAT IF THE PEOPLE NEXT DOOR -- THE ONLY DIFFERENT LOTS AND DIFFERENT PARCELS OF LAND LIKE LEON NEXT TO MINE . WHAT ARE THEY GOING TO DO IF THEY COME IN WITHIN THAT 300 FEET YOU GOT LAID OUT AND THEY ALREADY ON THOSE PARCELS ? ARE THEY GOING TO BE NONCONFORMING? AND IS THE PARCEL THAT IS EXISTING -- IF SOMETHING HAPPENS AND ONE OF THEM BURNS DOWN, ARE THEY GOING TO BE IS A QUESTION I HAVE TWO ASK YOUR COUNSEL OR WHOEVER IS DRAWING THESE ISSUES UP BECAUSE I HAVE NEIGHBORS THAT HAVE OWNED LAND THEREFORE 30 YEARS. THEY HAVE NOT BUILT ON IT , BUT IT WOULD BE IMPOSSIBLE WITH 300 FEET. AND SO WE NEED TO TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION. ALSO, I HAVE BEEN THERE 40 YEARS . I DON'T WANT YOU TO TELL ME WHAT I CAN WORK ON MY PLAYING OUTSIDE OR INSIDE. IT PROBABLY WOULDN'T DO NO GOOD, BUT NEVERTHELESS . YOU KNOW, I JUST SEE SOME ISSUES IN HERE THAT WOULD BE BETTER OFF RESOLVED NOW WITH SOME WORKSHOPS AND US JUST KEEP PUSHING THIS THING AHEAD UNTIL WE CAN GET THEM RESOLVED. LIKE I SAID, I APOLOGIZE FOR NOT MAKING THE WORKSHOP , BUT WE NEED TO GET SOME OF THESE THINGS TAKEN CARE OF. SOMETHING REALLY UPSETTING TO ME IS IT SAYS THAT THIS AIRPORT CHANGES NAMES , THEN I COME OUT FROM UNDER A NON-CONDITIONAL USE. IS THAT RIGHT? CAN SOMEBODY HERE ANSWER THAT? GOT LEGAL COUNSEL HERE. CAN THEY ANSWER?

>> WHICH AIRPORT ARE YOU AFFILIATED WITH?

>> I OWN WILLIAMS FIELD. >> WILLIAMS.

>> WE WILL BRING THIS BACK TO STAFF -- THE QUESTION THAT YOU

RAISE. >> OKAY. THAT WOULD BE GOOD.

THE OTHER THING IS IF IT CHANGES NAMES. I'VE GOT SOON TO BE A 19-YEAR-OLD SON . I HAVE USED THIS FIELD FOR 40 YEARS. WHAT HAPPENS IF IT NEEDS TO GO INTO HIS NAME? THEN DO WE COME OUT FROM UNDER THE NON-CONDITIONAL USE ? UC? ALL OF THESE THINGS IS A CONCERN. I THINK WE JUST NEED TO HAVE THEM WORKSHOP ON THIS.

>> THANK YOU, MR. WILLIAMS. WE HAVE BRADLEY COOL . FOLLOWING , NIKKI. COME ON UP TO THAT MICROPHONE AND STATE YOUR NAME

AND YOUR ADDRESS. >> I LIVE ACROSS THE CREEK FROM MR. WILLIAMS. HE IS IN OUR BACKYARD BASICALLY. WE ARE RIGHT SMACK IN THE LINE OF THE RUNWAY. TAKING OFF OR LANDING DIRECTLY OVER OUR HOUSE. I'M SURE THERE IS MORE THAT WILL BE IN A SIMILAR SITUATION. THE AREA YOU'RE SPEAKING TO RIGHT NOW. BUDDY OF US THAT ARE HERE INAUDIBLE ] I BOUGHT THIS HOUSE IN 2016 . WE LOVE THE PLACE.

WE LOVE THE AREA BEHIND IT , WHICH IS ALL WOODED . MR.

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THAT CONCERNS ME GREATLY. WE WERE NOT TOO CONCERNED ABOUT IT BECAUSE OUR UNDERSTANDING WAS MR. WILLIAMS AT THE TIME WAS NOT DOING MUCH FLYING. I THINK YOU WOULD PROBABLY LIKE TO. BUT I DON'T WANT IT TO BECOME A PLACE WHERE HE CAN TAKE ALL THIS ACREAGE . TURNING IT INTO ONE OF THESE PLACES I HAVE SEEN ACROSS THE STATE. SOMEBODY TAKES AN AIR STRIP OF LAND AND STARTS BUILDING HOMES . THEY HAVE ACCESS TO THE AIRPORT. IT COULD BE A LOT DIFFERENT BETWEEN WHAT MR. WILLIAMS WANTS TO DO AND WHAT SOMEBODY MIGHT HAVE TO DO TO MAKE IT TO BUILD WHAT THEY WOULD NEED TO DO AND MAKE THE CHANGES . THEY MIGHT MAKE IT MORE COMMERCIAL AND SELL THESE HOUSES AT A HIGHER PRICE. STORE THEIR PLANES THERE. OUT TO THE RUNWAY, WHICH I HAVE SEEN. I WANTED TO STAY LIKE IT IS.

THANK YOU. >> NIKKI KELSO? FOLLOWING MISS KELSO, WE WILL HAVE ADAM LAMB.

>> MY NAME IS NIKKI KELSO. MY ADDRESS IS ON FILE. I AM QUESTIONING CARTER SPENCER AND THE REZONING OF THE PROPERTY .

I'M PART OF THAT REZONING. I HAVE LIVED ON THE PROPERTY. I HAVE KNOWN ABOUT SPENCER'S AIRFIELD. I HAVE FLOWN WITH ALL THE GUYS OVER THERE AND THE BOY SCOUTS. MY QUESTION IS, THERE WAS NO EXPLANATION OF WHAT THAT MEANT WITH REZONING OF MY PROPERTY. I KNOW I AM PART OF THE FLIGHT PATTERN. I HAVE BEEN SINCE I HAVE OWNED THE PROPERTY. NO BIG DEAL. BUT WHAT IF SPENCERS AIR WANT TO SELL THE PROPERTY AND HAVE COMMERCIAL OR MAKE IT AN ACTIVE AIRFIELD WITH THE NOISE ORDINANCE? RIGHT NOW IT IS JUST EXPLANATION TO THE PROPERTY OWNERS OF WHAT THAT DETAILS -- THE REZONING OF OUR PROPERTY. AND WHAT THAT ALLOWS AND DOESN'T ALLOW FOR GOVERNMENTS TO COME IN TO LOOK WHETHER THEY CAN NOW FLY THEIR EXPERIMENTAL DRONES AND STUFF OVER MY PROPERTY BECAUSE I'M ZONED NOW FOR WHATEVER HEIR THING IT IS FOR. THERE WAS NEVER EXPLANATION TO THE LETTER. WHEN I TRIED TO LOOK THAT UP , THERE WASN'T ANY EXPLANATION THERE EITHER. SO WE NEED TO KNOW BECAUSE I'M NOT FAR FROM THE AIRPORT. SO WE NEED MORE INFORMATION BEFORE WE CAN FURTHER ON THIS PASSING OF WHATEVER. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU, MISS KELSO. WE HAVE ADAM LAMB NEXT. AND FOLLOWING MR. LAMB, WE WILL HAVE BRENNA DURDEN. THE LAST CARD I HAVE IS FOR SORRY. JUST COME ON UP AFTER. SORRY.

>> HELLO, MY NAME IS ADAM LAMB. I LIVE AT 335 TIKI LANE . I GOT A NOTICE IN MY MAIL SAYING MY ZONE WAS GOING TO BE REZONED .

ON THE BACK OF THAT MAP -- HIGHLIGHTED SEGMENT. I DON'T HAVE IT HERE WITH ME TODAY. BUT IT LOOKED LIKE IT WAS BEING PUT SMACK DAB IN JUST BOUGHT THIS HOUSE BACK IN APRIL OF LAST YEAR. AND WE GOT THE NEW HIGHWAY GETTING PUT UP PRETTY MUCH RIGHT IN MY BACKYARD . ALREADY ONCE THAT COMES UP IT IS GOING TO BRING

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NOTHING. THAT'S ALL. >> THANK YOU, MR. LAMB. I HAVE LOCATED A CARD I MISPLACED. MR. THOMPSON, YOU CAN COME FORWARD.

BOARD. MY NAME IS ANTHONY THOMPSON. I LIVE AT 277 FOREMAN CIRCLE IN FLORIDA. I'M A NAVY VETERAN. I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS. IN THIS 1400 BUFFER ZONE , ARE THERE ANY LIMITATIONS AS TO WHAT ONE CAN DO WITH THEIR PROPERTY? THAT IS QUESTION NUMBER ONE. NUMBER TWO, OUR COMMUNITY HAS BEEN THERE SINCE 1879 . LONGER THAN ANYBODY IN HERE, I'M SURE.

1879. THIS BUFFER ZONE COVERS A HUGE AREA OF FOREMAN CIRCLE AND THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITY, WHICH IS MARKED BY A MARKER FROM THE CLAY COUNTY HISTORICAL THE CORNER OF CASSIDY AND LANDING AND FOREMAN CIRCLE. SO HOW IS THAT GOING TO IS DONE WITHIN THE BUFFER ZONE. AM I CORRECT

>> THERE'S A LOT OF QUESTIONS I HAVE ABOUT THAT. SECONDARILY , IF A PERSON'S HOUSE BURNS DOWN WITHIN THAT BUFFER ZONE OR SOMETHING CATASTROPHIC HAPPENS , WHAT WILL THEY BE ABLE TO DO ABOUT IT? I SPENT $380,000 BUILDING A 500,000 SQUARE-FOOT HOME MYSELF ON TWO ACRES OF LAND . IT IS DIRECTLY WITHIN THE BUFFER ZONE. I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE EXPENDITURES THAT I HAVE AND I'M ALSO FROM LITTLE ROCK, ARKANSAS. NEIGHBORHOOD IS NO LONGER THERE. THEY USED EMINENT DOMAIN AND WIPED THE WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD OUT SO I HAVE NOWHERE TO GO BACK TO. I'M WONDERING IF THIS IS A PRECURSOR TO THE BUFFER ZONE IN THOSE AREAS.

>> THANK YOU, MR. THOMPSON. NOW WE HAVE MS. DURDEN.

FOR YOUR TIME TONIGHT . MY NAME IS BRENNA DURDEN. MY ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD IS 245 RIVERSIDE AVENUE, SUITE 510 IN JACKSONVILLE . I AM HERE TONIGHT ON BEHALF OF THE CITY OF GREEN COVE SPRINGS. THEY ASKED ME TO COME BECAUSE THEY WANTED TO BE ABLE TO HEAR WHAT THE DISCUSSION WAS ABOUT TONIGHT. THEY ARE NOT ABLE TO ATTEND BECAUSE THEY ARE ALL IN THEIR REGULAR CITY COMMISSION MEETINGS TONIGHT. IT JUST SO HAPPENED TO BE THAT THE CITY ATTORNEY, THE CITY MANAGER, PLANNING DIRECTOR COULD NOT ATTEND SO THEY ASKED ME TO ATTEND ON THEIR BEHALF. FIRST, JUST IN REGARDS TO THE PLAN AMENDMENT , I BELIEVE THERE IS SOME LANGUAGE THAT NEEDS SOME CLARITY IN REGARDS TO THOSE PARTICULAR PROVISIONS NOTICED THE AMENDMENTS. I'M NOT GOING TO GO INTO THOSE. I BELIEVE OTHER PEOPLE MAY SPEAK TO THOSE. ON THE TRANSMITTAL , IT SEEMS THAT THIS MAY BE A TRANSMITTAL. NOT A SMALL SCALE.

I THINK THE LANGUAGE IN SECTION 5 OF THE AMENDMENT IS FOR BASICALLY WHAT WOULD BE A SMALL SCALE AS OPPOSED TO TRANSMITTING THIS TO THE STATE. SO LET ME GET TO THE ISSUES YOU DID MENTION . THANK YOU FOR MENTIONING IT. YOU DID GET A LETTER FROM MR. KENNEDY , THE CITY MANAGER, WHEREIN WE ARE REQUESTING CLARITY THAT THIS ORDINANCE WILL NOT APPLY

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THE LIST OF AIRPORTS INCLUDES REYNOLDS PARK . SO HOW ARE WE GOING TO HAVE LAND-USE AND HEIGHT RESTRICTIONS APPLICABLE TO REYNOLDS PARK IF IT IS NOT GOING TO BE -- IF THIS CODE PROVISION IS NOT GOING TO BE APPLICABLE TO LANDS WITHIN RICOH -- GREEN COVE SPRINGS. ANOTHER EXAMPLE IS IN THE PREAMBLE OF PART TWO WHERE IT SAYS THAT ALL AIRPORTS ARE CONDITIONAL USES AND THAT ANY MODIFICATIONS TO THOSE AIRPORTS REQUIRE CONDITIONAL USE APPROVAL BY THE COUNTY. NOW, THERE IS NOTHING THERE THAT REMINDS US OR SAYS ONLY THOSE AIRPORTS THAT ARE WITHIN THE UNINCORPORATED AREAS . ANOTHER EXAMPLE IS IN THE PRE-EXISTING FACILITIES PROVISIONS THAT ARE LISTED IN PART TWO . FOR INSTANCE, PART TWO TALKS ABOUT PRE-EXISTING PRIVATE FACILITIES AND HAVING THE ABILITY TO VOLUNTARILY SUBMIT AN AIRPORT LAYOUT PLAN THAT INCLUDES -- MAY I FINISH? JUST ONE MORE MINUTE . THAT INCLUDES AIRPORT ZONING REGULATIONS . AND THIS COULD OCCUR . REYNOLDS PARK COULD DECIDE THAT THEY WANT TO BE SUBJECT TO THIS . THEY COULD DECIDE THEY WANT TO SUBMIT AN AIRPORT LAYOUT PLAN TO THE COUNTY. THE COUNTY THEN TAKES THAT, ADOPT AIRPORT ZONING REGULATIONS RISING OUT OF REYNOLDS PARK AND THE CITY HAS NEVER SEEN IT, HAS NEVER REVIEWED IT, HAS NEVER HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO APPROVE THAT AIRPORT LAYOUT. SO THESE ARE SOME EXAMPLES. THERE ARE OTHER PLACES THAT WILL REQUIRE CLARITY . I DO LOOK FORWARD TO RECEIPT OF THE UPDATED VERSION. IT IS VERY HARD TO GUESS WHAT THOSE MIGHT BE. BUT IT IS COMPLEX AND WE DO APPRECIATE THE STAFF TAKING THE TIME TO REALLY EXAMINE THE ISSUES AND CONCERNS OF SET AND ISSUES INTERPRETATION AND THE SCOPE INAUDIBLE ] THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> WE HAVE MR. HAIN LINE. I WAS HANDED ONE MORE CARD FOR GARY

BURTON. >> 1301 RIVERPLACE BOULEVARD IN JACKSONVILLE. I AM HERE REPRESENTING MEMBERS OF THE JP HALL FAMILY OWNING PROPERTY ADJACENT TO REYNOLDS PARK AIRSTRIP . WE ARE ASKING JUST ONE THING. VERY SIMPLE. REMOVE REYNOLDS PARK AIRSTRIP FROM THE LIST OF AIRPORTS THAT ARE COVERED BY THIS ORDINANCE. IT IS THE ONLY LISTED AIRPORT THAT LIES ENTIRELY WITHIN ANOTHER LOCAL GOVERNMENT'S JURISDICTION. IT IS THE ONLY LISTED AIRPORT THAT IS LOCATED IN ANOTHER JURISDICTION. WE KNOW THERE IS A PROVISION THAT SAYS THE REGULATIONS ONLY APPLY WITHIN THE UNINCORPORATED AREA OF CLAY COUNTY. BUT IF IT ONLY APPLIES IN THE UNINCORPORATED AREA OF CLAY COUNTY, WHY IS REYNOLDS PARK LISTED? IT IS NOT IN THE UNINCORPORATED PARK. ALSO NOTICE THAT THE COMP PLAN POLICIES DON'T HAVE ALL THAT LIMITATION. THEY WOULD APPLY EVERYWHERE . THEY DON'T HAVE THAT LIMITATION. SO WE ARE SKEPTICAL OF THAT ONE SINGLE LIMITATION. WE WOULD ALSO POINT OUT THAT PART 1C 4 SAYS WHERE THE ORDINANCE CONFLICTS WITH THE REGULATION ADOPTED BY ANOTHER POLITICAL JURISDICTION -- THAT MEANS GREEN COVE SPRINGS -- THAT STRICTER

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IT IS NOT ADOPTED LATER BY ANYBODY. THAT BECOMES WHAT THE REGULATIONS ARE FOR THAT AIRPORT. REYNOLDS AIRPORT HAS A DREAM OF HAVING A RUNWAY THAT EXTENDS ALL THE WAY TO U.S. 17.

RIGHT NOW THEY ARE A HALF A MILE FROM OUR PROPERTY. WE ARE BEYOND THE 1400 FEET. WE ARE BEYOND ALL OF THAT. BUT THEY HAVE A DREAM OF EXTENDING IT ALL THE WAY TO U.S. 17 RIGHT UP TO OUR PROPERTY. THAT'S WHY THEY THINK THEY HAVE A RIGHT TO LIMIT OUR PROPERTY. I CAN GET INTO MORE OF THAT LATER.

BUT THE POINT OF IT IS UNDER THE PROVISION THAT MS. DURDEN PROVIDED -- PART 2A 2 -- THE OWNER OF THE PRE-EXISTING PRIVATE AIRPORT JUST SUBMITS RUNWAY PROTECTION PLAN AND THEN EVERYONE AROUND THERE IS AFFECTED BY NO NOTICE AND NO HEARING. NOTHING OF THE KIND. I WOULD HOPE TOO THAT THIS ORDINANCE -- THIS PENDING ORDINANCE HAS BEEN LISTED BY LAWYERS FOR THE PORT IN THEIR LAWSUIT AGAINST GREEN COVE SPRINGS AND THE HALL FAMILY. THEY ASK FOR JUDICIAL NOTICE OF THIS ORDINANCE AND THEY ARE ARGUING ITS RELEVANCE. INAUDIBLE ] THIS ORDINANCE CAN BE USED AGAINST GREEN COVE SPRINGS AND THE HALL FAMILY. WE WOULD HOPE THE COUNTY WOULD CHOOSE NOT TO BECOME INVOLVED IN THAT LITIGATION THAT HAS BEEN PENDING FOR TWO YEARS. STILL PENDING. SIMPLY TAKE REYNOLDS PARK OUT OF THE ORDINANCE AND YOU WON'T SEE ME UP HERE AGAIN ON THIS ORDINANCE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH

FOR YOUR TIME. >> THANK YOU. WE HAVE GARY VERNON. THIS IS THE LAST CARD THAT I HAVE. IF THERE IS ANYONE ELSE WHO WISHES TO BE HEARD DURING PUBLIC COMMENT, YOU NEED

TO GIVE A CARD. >> MY NAME IS GARY VERNON. I RESIDE AT 5370 CARTER A FEW QUESTIONS THAT ME AND MY WIFE -- WE HAVE BEEN LIVING ACROSS THE LANDING STRIP SINCE 1981 . WE BUILD A HOUSE . I GAVE ANOTHER PIECE OF PROPERTY TO MY SON. HE HAS NOT BUILT IT YET. HE HAS A MOBILE HOME. I'M HOPING THERE ARE NO RESTRICTIONS TO THAT BECAUSE CARTER SPENCER ROAD HAS TELEPHONE POLES HIGHER THAN MY HOUSE. PROBABLY TWICE AS HIGH.

OUR HOUSE IF WE DECIDE TO SELL IT. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE RESTRICTIONS ARE, IF ANY. YOU KNOW, THAT AFFECT ME AND MY WIFE . OR TAXES. IF WE DECIDE TO SELL OUR PROPERTY . HANDED DOWN TO MY OTHER SON. I'M JUST HOPING IT WON'T AFFECT IT.

THANK YOU. >> LAST CARD I HAVE IS FOR

MARK. >> MARKS GROUP B. 1301 INAUDIBLE ] THIS IS A FOLLOW ON TO I WANT TO POINT OUT TO YOU THAT YOU CAN GO ONLINE AND PULL THIS UP. THIS IS THE REGISTRATION FOR THE REYNOLDS AIRSTRIP . IT HAS BEEN IDENTIFIED IN MS. SELIG'S POWERPOINT AS INAUDIBLE ] PRIVATE AIRSTRIP . AIRPORT USE IS PRIVATE. THE RUNWAY IT IS REFERRING TO IS 523 . 50 DEGREES THIS WAY AND 230 DEGREES THAT WAY. ONE DISCRETE AIRSTRIP. THERE IS NO

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LETTERS ON THE RUNWAY TO INDICATE WHICH DIRECTION THEY SHOULD SET THEIR HEADING. THIS IS THE EXISTING AIRPORT MAP THAT WAS PART OF THE PACKAGE SUBMITTED TO YOU BY STAFF. YOU CAN SEE THAT THEY HAVE INCLUDED ESSENTIALLY THE ENTIRETY OF THE PORT PROPERTY. THIS IS THE PORT PROPERTY. THE ENTIRETY OF THAT PROPERTY. I THINK IT IS PROBLEMATIC TO LABEL THE AIRPORT AS THE ENTIRETY OF THE REYNOLDS AIRPARK , INCLUDING THE PROPERTY ACROSS THE STREET , WHICH HAS THE DOCKS. THE PEERS. ANY DESCRIPTION OF THE ENTIRE PROPERTY RELATED TO IT. I THINK I AGREE THAT REYNOLDS SHOULD NOT BE INCLUDED. IT IS NOT ANYWHERE NEAR ANY OF THESE NUMBERS. BUT MORE TO THE POINT OF WHAT MY COMMENT IS , THIS AIRSTRIP RIGHT HERE IS THE ONLY ONE AFFECTED. YET THE ENTIRE AIRSTRIP OF 1400 FEET

>> THANK YOU. AT THIS TIME, I HAVE NO FURTHER COMMENT CARDS.

I BELIEVE EVERYONE THAT WANTED TO BE HEARD ON THIS MATTER HAS BEEN HEARD. SO WE ARE GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD AND BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMISSION.

>> I JUST KIND OF WANTED TO REASSURE THE PUBLIC BECAUSE THERE IS SOME MISCONCEPTION THERE ABOUT THE SCOPE OF WHAT THIS PROPOSED ORDINANCE DOES. IT DOES NOT REZONE ANYONE'S PROPERTY . AND IT DOES NOT CHANGE THE USES THAT ARE ALLOWED NOW ON YOUR PROPERTY. IT DOES NOT TOUCH THAT AT ALL.

IT IS ONLY GOING TO COME INTO EFFECT IF IT IS APPROVED IF A NEW AIRPORT WERE TO COME FORWARD AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE AND WANT TO BE APPROVED AND BE USED AS CONDITIONAL USE OR IF AN EXISTING AIRPORT WANTED TO MAKE SOME KIND OF CHANGE TO THEIR USE OF THEIR FACILITY. BUT THERE IS NO OPPOSED PLANS THAT HAS BEEN GIVEN TO STAFF OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT . SO I DON'T WANT ANYBODY -- THERE IS CONCERN ABOUT CHANGES TO THE VALUE OF THEIR PROPERTY. BASED ON SOME REZONING. THAT IS NOT PART OF THIS . I HOPE THAT HELPS SOME

OF THAT CONCERN. >> ONE THING THAT I HEARD SEVERAL PEOPLE SAY -- THE NOTIFICATION ZONES IS 1400 FEET. WHEN WE DO ZONES IN THIS COUNTY, IF A PERSON HAS A PARCEL AND THEY SEEK TO HAVE LAND-USE OR ZONING CHANGED, WE REQUIRE ANY PROPERTY OWNER WITHIN 350 FEET OF THAT PROPERTY BE NOTIFIED . FOR THE AIRPORTS ONLY , IT WAS EXPANDED TO 1400. THERE IS NOTHING BUT IT MEANS YOU GET A LETTER IF SOMETHING IS GOING TO HAPPEN. IT DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING IS GOING TO HAPPEN. IT IS ACTUALLY EXPANDING . IT IS TRIPLING -- MORE THAN TRIPLING OUR NORMAL NOTIFICATION PERIMETER. SO FOR THAT, THAT IS A GOOD THING BECAUSE IT MEANS THAT YOU WILL GET NOTIFIED ABOUT THINGS THAT YOU WOULD NOT GET NOTIFIED ABOUT UNDER THE CORD -- CURRENT ORDINANCE. IT IS A NOTIFICATION LIMIT. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ANYTHING ELSE. I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF. ONE OF THE THINGS I WAS TRYING TO UNDERSTAND -- IT IS HARD SINCE I'M OBVIOUSLY NOT A PILOT LOOKING AT THIS. I WISH WE HAD A GRAPHIC SOMEWHERE THAT EXPLAINED APPROACH SURFACE, HORIZONTAL SURFACE, TRANSITIONAL SURFACE. A PICTURE OF A RUNWAY AND WHAT ALL THAT

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ANYTHING ABOUT THAT. >> I WROTE THAT DOWN. I HAD TO

GO LOOK IT UP MYSELF. >> I'M NOT SURE. THE OTHER THING I'M NOT SURE IS CLEAR -- IT IS NOT EVEN FULLY CLEAR TO ME. OTHER THAN THE TWO PUBLIC USE AIRPORTS THAT WE HAVE , IF THE CURRENT AIRPORTS DON'T OPT INTO THIS, IT DOESN'T APPLY.

PRIVATE AIRPORT DOES NOT OPT IN -- SEND US THE PLAN AND WHAT HAVE YOU. STATUS QUO. IT IS THE SAME AS IT IS TODAY.

>> I'M JUST GOING TO ASK A SPECIFIC QUESTION.

] IF HE WANTED TO -- NOT GOING TO OPT IN SO NOTHING CHANGES. IF HE DECIDED THAT HE WANTED TO -- SOMEONE MENTIONED THAT AIRPARK OR BILL'S HOUSE OR WHATEVER , THERE'S OBVIOUSLY ZONING AND DEVELOPMENT TO GO THROUGH THAT BECAUSE IT HAS AN AIRSTRIP. DOES THAT FORCE THEM TO REGISTER IT BECAUSE IT IS NEW ? IT IS EXISTING, BUT ALL THE

OTHER STUFF --. >> IT DEPENDS ON WHAT THE PROPOSED USE WOULD BE. THE ANSWER IS YES OR NO.

HYPOTHETICALLY , YEAH. YOU COULD DEVELOP HOUSES ON PART OF THE PROPERTY AND HAVE ENOUGH TO DO WITH THE CURRENT AIRSTRIP. AS LONG AS IT MEETS THE CODE. THAT WOULD GO THROUGH OUR USUAL PROCESS. THE ONLY THING WITH THIS PORTION OF THE CODE THAT WOULD GET APPLIED IS IF HE WAS CHANGING THAT AIRSTRIP OR ITS OPERATION IN SOME WAY. RESIDENTIAL AND THEN A FLY IN COMMUNITY WHERE THOSE HOUSES HAVE TAXIWAY ACCESS TO THE RUNWAY. THAT IS A NEW USE. SO THEN WE WOULD HAVE TO COME INTO COMPLIANCE WITH WHAT THE CODE SAYS.

>> I TRY TO WRITE DOWN SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT I HEARD. THE OUTDOOR MAINTENANCE. I THINK I WOULD HAVE TO AGREE WITH THE PEOPLE THAT COMMENTED AT LEAST ON THAT ONE BECAUSE I WORK ON MY CAR IN MY DRIVEWAY. I DON'T SEE WHY A PERSON CANNOT PUSH THEIR PLANE OUT OF THE HANGER -- HANGAR -- GOT IT. I THINK THAT IS SOMETHING WE PROBABLY SHOULD BE LOOKING INTO. THERE IS ONE OTHER THING . THE HANGAR VERSUS THE HOUSE . IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN , IF A PERSON OWNS A PARCEL OF LAND , WE DON'T LET THEM BUILD A GARAGE BEFORE THEY BUILD THE HOUSE. SO IT IS THE SAME THEORY. OKAY. BECAUSE IF I BOUGHT AN ACRE OF LAND, I CANNOT GO BUILD A BIG GARAGE ON IT AND THEN COME BACK LATER AND BUILD THE HOUSE. IT HAS TO HAVE THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE FIRST. I'M GOING TO LET IT GO THERE. I'M SURE OTHER PEOPLE HAVE QUESTIONS. I'M A LITTLE BIT NERVOUS ABOUT THIS ORDINANCE HONESTLY BECAUSE I'M NOT SURE I FULLY GET EVERYTHING -- REYNOLDS AIRPARK. LET'S ASK ABOUT THAT. MR. HAIN LINE SAID THEY WANT TO BRING THAT RUNWAY RIGHT

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BUT IF A RUNWAY IS CLOSE ENOUGH TO THE CORPORATE LIMIT OF GREEN COVE, THERE ARE THESE TRANSITIONAL SURFACES THAT LAY BEYOND THAT RUNWAY . WOULD THIS STILL APPLY EVEN THOUGH THE AIRPORT IS NOT THERE WITHIN THE CITY?

>> I THINK THAT IS ONE OF THOSE QUESTIONS .

>> FOR THIS THE KIND OF THING MAKING ME A LITTLE BIT CONCERNED. I WILL SHUT UP FOR NOW.

>> OTHER QUESTIONS FROM COMMISSIONERS?

>> DODIE , WHAT HAPPENS IF THE PROPERTY IS SOLD ? HOW DOES THAT AFFECT IT IF WE CHANGE OWNERSHIP?

>> I DON'T THINK -- I MEAN, CHANGING OWNERSHIP BY ITSELF DOES NOT CHANGE ANYTHING . KIND OF LIKE YOU SELL YOUR HOUSE AND THAT DOESN'T CHANGE ZONING. IT IS A PHYSICAL CHANGE TO THE PROPERTY. THAT TRIGGERS THE NEED FOR ADDITIONAL USE APPROVAL. SO A NEW OWNER OPERATING IT AS IS DOESN'T REALLY CHANGE . BUT WHEN THEY EXPAND THE RUNWAY OR ADD HELICOPTERS THAT WERE NOT THERE -- MAKING A PROVISION FOR THOSE KINDS OF FACILITIES THAT WERE NOT THERE BEFORE.

THAT WOULD TRIGGER THE NEED FOR NEW APPROVAL.

>> ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION.

>> MY CONCERN -- MY PRIMARY CONCERN LIES WITH THE NEIGHBORS . I UNDERSTAND YOUR STATEMENT . IT IS A NEW AIRPORT . IT WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH ALL OF THE SAFETY ZONES . IT WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE PROTECTION ZONE AND WHATNOT. BUT MY CONCERN LIES IN THE VALUE.WE HEARD IT SEVERAL TIMES. WE HEARD IT FROM MS. DEBBIE CARPENTER. WE HEARD IT FROM LARRY AND STEPHANIE HILL. WE HEARD IT FROM SEVERAL FOLKS . THE CONCERN THAT I WOULD HAVE IS, IS THERE ANY CLAUSE OR ANY REQUIREMENT THAT IF A PRIVATE OR PUBLIC AIRPORT GOES IN OR CHOOSES TO PARTICIPATE THAT THEY HAVE TO FAIRLY COMPENSATE THE ADJACENT LANDOWNERS FOR THESE PROTECTION ZONES? DELAY PROTECTION ZONES ON SOMEBODY ELSE'S PROPERTY AND FOR THOSE FOLKS NOT TO BE COMPENSATED DOESN'T SEEM RIGHT TO ME.

>> THAT AGAIN BECOMES MORE OF A LEGAL ISSUE .

>> I THINK IT WAS MS. CARPENTER WHO SAID USING OTHER LAND AS AIRPORT BUFFER ZONES. THAT JUST DOES NOT SEEM RIGHT TO ME. THAT DOES NOT SEEM FAIR TO ME. SO IF ALL OF THESE BUFFER ZONES WERE REQUIRED TO BE IN THE PROPERTY OF THE AIRPORT , THEN I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH IT. BUT IT DOESN'T

SOUND LIKE IT IS. >> WELL, I THINK IN SOME OF THOSE COMMENTS , THERE WAS CONFUSION ABOUT THE BUFFER ZONE AND WHAT WAS SHOWN IN THE LETTER. AND IT'S NOT. TO THE EXTENT THAT THERE'S THESE PROTECTION ZONES , THEY ARE SOMEWHAT LIMITED IN COMPARISON CERTAINLY TO THE TRANSITIONAL ZONES . THOSE ARE MUCH MORE EXTENSIVE THAN THE RUNWAY PROTECTION ZONE , WHICH IS VERY LIMITED.

>>

NEIGHBORS? YES OR NO? >> EVENTUALLY IF THE AIRPORT OPTS IN . THEN DEPENDING ON IF THEY ARE LOCATED CLOSE TO THE END OF THE RUNWAY, THEN THERE MAY BE SOME IMPACT .

BUT IT IS MORE LIMITED THAN PEOPLE REALLY REALIZE.

>> OKAY. I HAVE A CONCERN JUST BASED ON WHAT YOU JUST SHARED.

I HAVE A CONCERN. AND I THINK THAT MR. DON YOKLEY WAS THE

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YOU. >> OTHER COMMENTS ?

>> MY QUESTION -- I KIND OF AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER HERE.

ESPECIALLY FROM SOME OF THE COMMENTS I AM HEARING. ANYWAY , I THINK MR. THOMPSON TALKED ABOUT EMINENT DOMAIN. HE ALSO TALKED ABOUT IF HIS HOUSE BURNS DOWN. WILL HE BE ALLOWED TO REBUILD BECAUSE OF THAT BUFFER THAT HE IS SITTING WITHIN NOW? THAT WOULD BE ANOTHER CONCERN OF MINE. AS FAR AS NOT FEELING REALLY COMFORTABLE ABOUT THIS RIGHT NOW. A LOT OF THESE PEOPLE PURCHASE PROPERTIES. I KNOW IF I PURCHASED A PROPERTY AND SOMETHING LIKE THIS CAME UP, I WOULD NOT BE REAL HAPPY WITH HAVING AN OVERLAY NOW. LOOKING AT IT FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE, I'M A LITTLE HANDCUFFED . THIS GENTLEMAN OVER HERE WHO IS REALLY IN A TOUGH SPOT RIGHT NOW WITH THE VALUATION OF HIS PROPERTY AS WELL BETWEEN THE EXPRESSWAY AND THIS POTENTIAL NEW ZONING REQUIREMENT. SO, WOULD HE BE ABLE TO REBUILD WITHOUT HAVING TO REPLACE HIS

HOME IN A DIFFERENT AREA? >> THAT IS SOMETHING -- IT IS ONE OF THE HARDEST PARTS OF THIS. MAKING SPECIFIC CALLS.

BECAUSE UNTIL WE AS A STAFF RECEIVE AN ACTUAL AIRPORT LAYOUT PLAN SHOWING EXACTLY WHERE THOSE ZONES ARE , WE CANNOT DETERMINE WHETHER ADJACENT PROPERTIES ARE AFFECTED AND TO WHAT EXTENT THEY ARE . WE ABSOLUTELY HAVE TO HAVE THAT IN ORDER TO ABIDE THAT INFORMATION. SO A BIT OF A DIFFICULT PART OF THE DRAFTING ORDINANCE , TO PUT IT MILDLY. BUT IT DOES NOT CHANGE -- IT DOES NOT CHANGE PROPERTY VALUE PER SE. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT IT MORE OR LESS A NONISSUE FOR THE PROPERTIES AROUND THE EXISTING AIRPORTS IF THEY DON'T OPT IN. IT IS NO DIFFERENT TOMORROW THAN IT IS TODAY OR YESTERDAY. IT IS NOT CHANGING ANY USE .

>> YOU ARE SAYING IT DOESN'T CHANGE ANY USAGE, BUT I DON'T ACTUALLY COMPLETELY SEE IT THAT WAY.

>> OKAY. >> TWO THINGS. THEY DON'T OPT IN, NOTHING CHANGES. THEY OPT IN, THINGS ARE AFFECTED. NEW OWNER OPTS IN , IT'S AFFECTED ONCE AGAIN TO THE POINT THAT WAS BROUGHT UP EARLIER. THERE IS NO CONTROL. THE BIGGER ISSUE TO ME IS FOR THIS COMMISSION NOW BEING AN AIRPORT PLANNING COMMISSION , I MAY HAVE A LOT OF EXPERIENCE FLYING WITH A NAVY BACKGROUND. I HAVE VERY LITTLE EXPERIENCE IN WHAT WE ARE BEING ASKED TO DO RIGHT NOW WITHOUT DOING A LOT MORE HOMEWORK. AND I'M NOT COMFORTABLE WITH THIS.

>> I WOULD MAKE A MOTION . >> BEFORE YOU MAKE A MOTION, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO ASK DODIE SINCE YOU'RE THE PRIMARY AUTHOR OF THIS , HAVE YOU HEARD SOME OF THE STUFF WE HEARD TO THE POINT THAT IF WE ASKED YOU TO TAKE THIS BACK AND LOOK AT SOME OF THESE COMMENTS -- THE ONLY ONE I KNOW THAT IS HARD AND FAST IS OUTDOOR MAINTENANCE ON THE PLANES. IF YOU TOLD ME I HAD TO WORK ON MY CAR IN THE GARAGE ALL THE TIME, THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. BUT OTHER THAN THAT, IT SEEMS LIKE THERE IS SOME CONFUSION. MAYBE SOME WORDING THAT COULD BE CLARIFIED . YOU KNOW. SO I'M KIND OF ASKING IF YOU THINK WE SHOULD DO THAT BECAUSE I'M A LITTLE UNCOMFORTABLE WITH IT. MORE THAN ANYTHING, I LIKE TO SEE A GRAPHIC THAT OUTLINES EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WITH THE APPROACH SURFACE AND ALSO THAT IF WE TOOK ONE OF THE PRIVATE AIRPORTS AND KIND OF OVERLAID THAT GRAPHIC ON IT, WE CAN ACTUALLY SEE WHAT WE ARE AFFECTING AROUND IT.

>> THE PROBLEM IS THAT THOSE APPROACH ZONES AND TRANSITION ZONES AND EVERYTHING -- THEY ARE DEPENDENT ON THE TYPE OF RUNWAY AND ITS LENGTH AND THE TYPE OF AIRCRAFT THAT FLY OFF OF THEM. SO IT'S NOT LIKE THERE IS A STRAIGHT ANSWER

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NOT BEING A PILOT MYSELF , I CANNOT REMEMBER THE TABLE. THE DISTANCES CHANGE BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY A LARGER AIRCRAFT.

THERE IS A VERY DIFFERENT RUNWAY LENGTH REQUIRED. AND THAT CHANGES THE APPROACH ZONE AND THE SLOPE FOR THE TRANSITION AND THE APPROACH ZONE. SO IT IS COMPLICATED.

I CAN GET YOU A DRAWING FROM FAA OF WHICH ZONE IS WHICH, BUT I CANNOT MENTION IT TO ANY OF OUR AIRPORTS BECAUSE OF

THAT. >> I WOULD SETTLE FOR THAT. IT WOULD GIVE ME MORE OF A VISUAL DEFINITION. THE TECH TO KIND OF PICTURE THAT. ALL RIGHT. I THINK IT NEEDS A LITTLE BIT OF POLISH . FIRST OF ALL, I KNOW HOW MUCH WORK IT WAS TO PUT THIS TOGETHER. AND I DON'T THINK ANYBODY SHOULD BE MINIMIZING WHAT YOU DID. WE HAVE CERTAINLY -- WE JUST HAVE SOME QUESTIONS OR CLARIFICATION BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE HOURS AND HOURS AND HOURS OF RESEARCH THAT YOU'VE HAD TO DO TO PUT THIS IN. AND I KNOW THERE WAS A LOT. SO YOU NEED TO HELP US A LITTLE. UNDERSTANDING THIS A LITTLE

BETTER. >> I JUST WAS CURIOUS. WHAT WAS THE IMPETUS FOR THIS? 2016 . HERE WE ARE EIGHT YEARS LATER.

7 1/2 YEARS LATER. THE WHOLE PURPOSE IS TO COMPLY WITH THE

STATE. >> DID THEY SAY WE HAD TO DO IT BY A CERTAIN DAY? SOME OF THE MORE RECENT ACTIVITY.

REALIZE, I SHOULDN'T HAVE DONE THIS ALREADY. WRITE?

>> I HAVE JUST ONE MORE CURIOSITY REALLY. THIS IDEA OF VOLUNTARILY OPTING IN IS AN INTERESTING THING. I'M GOING TO CHOOSE TO ABIDE BY THE LAW. TO EXPLAIN THE PRESIDENT OF

THAT. >> IT IS BECAUSE OF THAT POSSIBILITY ON STAFF'S PART TWO DEFINE FOR A RESIDENT WHETHER THEY ARE IN A TRANSITION ZONE OR APPROACH

ZONE OR NOT . >> THE OPTING IN IS BY THE

AIRPORT OWNER. >> CORRECT. YEAH. IT IS A LITTLE UNUSUAL. WE DON'T NORMALLY DO LAWS THIS WAY. BUT IT IS THE ONLY WAY TO REALLY BE EQUITABLE BECAUSE THESE PRE-EXISTING AIRPORT FACILITIES ON THE ONE HAND .

AND IF WE DON'T -- IT WOULD NOT WORK REALLY TO MANDATE IT

. EXACTLY. >> I AM WITH EVERYONE ELSE. TO ME , NOT AN AVIATION EXPERT. PRETTY VAGUE. A LOT OF LEGAL QUESTIONS STILL UP IN THE AIR . I'M JUST NOT COMFORTABLE.

>> I JUST WANT TO FOLLOW-UP ON WHAT BILL SAID. IF AN AIRPORT DECIDES TO OPT IN -- AND THIS IS KIND OF IN REFERENCE TO WHAT THEY SAID. DO THEY COME IN AND HAND YOU GUYS THEIR PLAN AND THAT AUTOMATICALLY BECOMES COUNTY ORDINANCE OR WHATEVER? DO THEY COME IN A PLAN , YOU REVIEW IT -- DOES IT COME TO US? TO SOMEBODY GET TO REVIEW THAT PLAN SO IT IS A CONDITIONAL USE TO BEGIN WITH AND SAY, WE DON'T LIKE THIS

PLAN. >> IT DOES NOT BECAUSE IT IS CONSIDERED A LEGALLY NONCONFORMING USE. SO WE DON'T REQUIRE THEM TO GO BACK AND GO THROUGH THE WHOLE PROCESS OF THE FULL CONDITIONAL USE . THE INTENT OF THE CONDITIONAL USE IS TO ASSESS , DO THEY HAVE ENOUGH PARKING? IS THE FLAMMABLES PROVISION FOR THE REFUELING TOO CLOSE TO RESIDENCES ? ALL OF THIS IS IN AN EXISTING SYSTEM . IT'S ALREADY THERE. YOU ARE NOT GOING TO MAKE THEM CHANGE IT.

YEAH. WE'RE NOT GOING TO PUT THEM THROUGH .

>> I WOULD NOT SAY PUT THEM THROUGH LIKE THEY'RE TRYING TO

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CHECK, CHECK, CHECK. OKAY. YOU ARE IN. IT SEEMS LIKE THAT WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT MORE.

>> I JUST WANT TO MAKE A QUICK COMMENT. IT'S REALLY A QUESTION. MAYBE I MISSED IT BECAUSE I KNOW IT WAS BROUGHT UP IN DISCUSSION BUT I DID NOT GET CLARITY ON WHY WAS REYNOLDS PARK INCLUDED IN THIS IF THEY ARE EXCLUDED ? IF GLEN COVE IS NOT PART OF IT, WHY WAS REYNOLDS LISTED? MAYBE I MISSED

IT. >> IT IS A WORDING THING. WHEN I WAS PUTTING THIS TOGETHER, ONE OF THE FACILITIES WE ALREADY HAVE WITHIN THE COUNTY. AND I WENT TO THE FAA .

EXISTING AIRFIELDS . THE BOUNDARY OF THE COUNTY. AS A WHOLE. NOT SEPARATING OUT MUNICIPAL JURISDICTIONS. SO THAT IS WHY IT IS THERE. IT IS NOT AN INTENT -- THEIR ZONING

OR ANYTHING. >> FOLLOW-UP WOULD BE -- I UNDERSTAND IT MAKES SENSE TO SEE THE WHOLE PICTURE FOR THE COUNTY. BUT IF THIS IS NOT APPLICABLE TO THAT SPECIFIC -- IF IT DOESN'T APPLY BECAUSE IT BELONGS TO A SPECIFIC MUNICIPALITY, THEN IT SEEMS TO ME THAT WE WOULD STRIKE IT.

I'M NOT AN ATTORNEY. BUT IT SEEMS TO CLUTTER . IF IT IS NOT AFFECTED BY THIS, THEN IT SHOULD BE --

>> PART OF ANOTHER POLITICAL SUBDIVISION.

>> THE AIRPORT AND THE COUNTY. EXCLUDED. BUT IT IS PART OF

THE INVENTORY. >> I DOES BRING THAT UP FOR DISCUSSION. AGAIN, NOT AN ATTORNEY. JUST LISTENING TO

THE CONVERSATION. THANK YOU. >> ALL RIGHT. WHAT IS THE

PLEASURE OF THE COMMISSION? >> I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION.

WITH THE COMPLEXITY OF THIS RIGHT NOW , A LOT OF US ARE NOT FULLY COMFORTABLE WITH UNDERSTANDING A LOT WITH RESPECT TO REYNOLDS AND SOME OF THESE FOLKS' PROPERTIES .

SETBACK REQUIREMENTS. I WOULD LIKE TO RECOMMEND THAT WE DO A CONTINUANCE WITHOUT A SPECIFIC DATE TO GIVE A LOT OF THESE QUESTIONS AND LEGAL PIECES THAT WERE COMPLETELY NOT FAMILIAR WITH TO BE INVESTIGATED BEFORE WE PASS THIS ON. I DON'T THINK THIS IS COMPLETE YET.

>> WE DEFINITELY DON'T WANT TO DO IT NEXT MONTH.

>> NO. DEFINITELY NOT. BUT I DON'T WANT TO PUT A TIMETABLE ON IT BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG IT IS GOING TO TAKE TO ACTUALLY DO THE WORK. SO I WOULD LEAVE THAT SORT OF AS AN OPEN DATE FOR YOU TO DECIDE WHEN YOU FEEL THAT YOU HAVE ALL THAT INFORMATION ELECTED. YOU'VE MADE THE ADJUSTMENTS AND CORRECTIONS YOU NEED TO PRESENT TO US AND TO THE PUBLIC . AND THEN I THINK WE SHOULD REVIEW THIS AGAIN.

>> TWO POINTS WITH THAT. YOUR MOTION. THERE ARE TWO ITEMS BEFORE YOU AND THEY ARE CONNECTED. SO WE WOULD NEED TO DO TWO MOTIONS AND VOTES FOR THE TWO ITEMS. I'M ASSUMING YOU ARE GOOD WITH DOING BOTH OF THOSE. OKAY. AND THEN I JUST WANTED TO DOUBLE CHECK . WE HAVE TO HAVE A DATE.

>> HOW LONG DO YOU THINK IT WOULD TAKE BASED ON WHAT YOU HAVE HEARD AND SEEN? I KNOW. WE DO. I'M JUST SAYING . WE HAVE AN IDEA. LET'S PUT IT THAT WAY.

>> 60 DAYS. SO WE ARE LOOKING AT MAY'S MEETING. WOULD THAT

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WOULD THAT BE OKAY? OKAY. SO THEN WE WILL MAKE THE AMENDMENT

TO MAY. >> ALL RIGHT. AND THIS IS ON THE COMPREHENSIVE COMP 24-0003. ONE MOTION FOR BOTH OF

THOSE. >> UNLESS I NEED TO MAKE A SEPARATE MOTION. LET'S DO THIS ONE FIRST.

>> START WITH THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLANS. WE HEARD THE FIRST MOTION ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. IS THERE A SECOND? OKAY. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, MOTION CARRIES. NOW WE NEED TO DO THE

SAME THING FOR THE AIRPORT. >> I WOULD LIKE TO ALSO MAKE A MOTION FOR CONTINUANCE ON THE ZONING. I THINK IT IS COMP 23-0016 -- ZON 23-0029.

>> ALL RIGHT. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR. ANY OPPOSED. MOTION CARRIES. SO THIS IS CONTINUED UNTIL OUR MAY MEETING.

>> MAY I JUST ADD ONE THING FOR THE PUBLIC SO THEY ARE NOT CONFUSED? THIS ITEM -- BOTH OF THESE ITEMS WILL BE ON A COUPLE OF THE UPCOMING BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS MEETING AGENDAS BUT NOT TO BE HEARD. THEY WILL BE FOR STAFF TO REQUEST CONTINUANCES. JUST WANT TO MAKE THAT REAL CLEAR FOR ANYBODY WATCHING OR LISTENING.

>> THANK YOU. >> STILL COMING BACK HERE.

>> JUST FOR OUR BENEFIT, WHEN WE COME BACK WITH THE NEW VERSION , THERE WAS A LOT OF VERY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS THAT WERE ASKED TONIGHT. BOTH PUBLIC AND BY THE COMMISSIONERS.

WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO PROVIDE DIRECT ANSWERS TO THOSE QUESTIONS? AS DIRECT AS YOU ARE ABLE TO.

>> YEAH. I CAN PROVIDE A TABLE OF HOW IT WAS ADDRESSED.

>> THREE MONTHS DOWN THE ROAD.

>> I THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL AS COMMISSIONERS ADJUSTED TO GET A TUTORIAL ON SOME OF THESE IMAGINARY SPACES . JUST A GRAPHIC TO HELP US ORIENT . ALL RIGHT. I BELIEVE THAT

CONCLUDES . >> ONCE YOU HAVE GOT ANOTHER DRAFT OF THIS , IT WILL BE UP ON THE COUNTY WEBSITE. IT WILL BE ON THE AGENDA FOR THAT MEETING. SO I JUST WANTED TO

MAKE SURE EVERYBODY KNEW . >> WE WILL DO THAT THE WEEK BEFORE THE MEETING. USUALLY HAVE THE AGENDA READY . ON THE

WEBSITE AS WELL. >> ON THE PUBLIC WEBSITE.

[1.  Reorganization of Planning Commission]

>> YES. >> THAT CONCLUDES OUR PUBLIC HEARINGS THIS EVENING. WE HAVE ONE ITEM OF OLD BUSINESS AND NEW BUSINESS. REORGANIZATION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION. IF YOU WANT TO LEAVE NOW, YOU ARE WELCOME TO LEAVE.

>> THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT.

>> YES.

BUSINESS. >> JUST QUICKLY, ED WANTED ME TO REMIND YOU ALL THAT THERE IS THE JOINT WORKSHOP ON FEBRUARY 27TH AT 10:00. THAT WILL BE IN CONNECTION . SO I THINK IT IS SCHEDULED FROM 10:00 TO 12:00.

>> THAT IS A TUESDAY, I BELIEVE.

>> YOU TOOK THE WORDS RIGHT OUT OF MY MOUTH.

>> PERFECT. 10:00 TO NOON. >> BECAUSE THE COUNTY COMMISSION MEETS THAT DAY. MONDAY. OKAY.

>> HE HAS A SCHOOL BOARD WORKSHOP SO HE WILL NOT BE ABLE TO BE PRESENT. ALL RIGHT. REORGANIZATION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION. THIS IS THE MEETING WHERE WE ELECT OUR

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>> I WOULD SUGGEST THAT BEFORE WE MAKE ANY MOTION THAT WE TRADITIONALLY LATELY WE HAVE DONE TWO YEARS. DO YOU

WANT TO DO ANOTHER YEAR? >> I WOULD LIKE TO. I THINK THERE IS DEFINITELY A LEARNING CURVE. AND YOU NEVER STOP LEARNING. BUT AFTER YOU HAVE INVESTED ONE YEAR, IT IS GOOD TO HAVE A CHANCE TO APPLY WHAT YOU LEARNED THE FIRST YEAR AND SECOND YEAR. SO, YES. I WOULD LIKE TO SERVE ANOTHER YEAR.

AND PETE WOULD TOO. I THINK PETE WOULD LIKE TO.

>> I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT BOTH YOU AND PETE

CONTINUE. >> SECOND.

>> I WILL SECOND. >> EVERYBODY HAS TO VOTE TOO.

OKAY. MOTION CARRIES. BO WANTED TO SAY SOMETHING. NEW

BUSINESS. >> I WOULD JUST SIMPLY SAY THE NEW RULE THAT WE HAVE I THINK IS GOING TO REQUIRE A BIT MORE HOMEWORK THAN WHAT WE NORMALLY DO. AIRPORT ZONING COMMISSION.

SO I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY WHAT THAT IS GOING TO TELL YOU.

TWO DAYS HEADS UP FOR ALL OF THIS IS INSUFFICIENT IN MY OPINION. I MET -- MEANT WHAT I SAID EARLIER. I'M VERY COMFORTABLE AS AN AIRCRAFT OPERATOR. I'M NOT VERY COMFORTABLE IN THE ROLE WE ARE BEING ASKED. I THINK IT'S GOING TO TAKE MORE WORK. AND I THINK FOR THE STAFF GIVING US AS MUCH OF A HEADS UP ON NEW MATERIAL AND BACKGROUND MATERIAL IS ABSOLUTELY CRITICAL. EVEN THOUGH WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TWO APPOINTED REPS . JUST BECAUSE THEY RUN AN AIRFIELD DOES NOT MEAN THEY KNOW EVERYTHING THEY NEED TO ADVISE US . I THINK THE MORE HOMEWORK WE CAN DO AHEAD OF TIME, MORE COMFORTABLE.

>> GAVE US SOME TIME TO LOOK AT IT.

BUSY, SMALL AIRPORT. COMMERCIAL. BUT SMALL AIRPORT.

AND I HAVE SEEN PERSONALLY THE RESULT OF IT WHERE AIRCRAFT HAVE GONE OFF THE RUNWAY, CROSSED A U.S. HIGHWAY WITH SIX LANES , CRASHED INTO A BUILDING ONE TIME. THAT WAS TURNED INTO A SCHOOL . A VOCATIONAL SCHOOL. SO THERE ARE OTHER INSTANCES THAT I'M AWARE OF THAT HAVE KIND OF BEEN PRIVY TO THAT INFORMATION. SO WHEN I SEE THIS DOCUMENT, I LITERALLY HAD A LOT OF LITTLE YELLOW MARKER THINGS I WANTED TO ASK . AND I'M LISTENING TO ALL OF THIS AND I'M LISTENING TO THEM. SOME OF THE DISTANCES AND SOME OF THE SETBACKS AND THINGS LIKE THAT WERE A CONCERN JUST BASED ON MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE WITH ALL OF THAT. SO I WAS NOT REAL COMFORTABLE WITH A LOT OF WHAT WE HEARD TONIGHT. ] I THINK THAT PRIVATE AIRPORTS ARE A WONDERFUL THING.

BUT THE SAFETY OF PRIVATE AIRPORTS NEEDS TO BE UP TO A STANDARD THAT IT NEEDS TO BE. JUST LIKE A COMMERCIAL AIRPORT WOULD HAVE TO. SO I DON'T SEE THAT JUST BECAUSE IT IS PRIVATE AND OWNED BY RESIDENTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT -- I THINK THEY HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO HAVE THE SAME RULES AND REGULATIONS . AFTER ALL, THEY ARE FLYING AN AIRCRAFT . WHO KNOWS ONCE IT IS IN THEIR. I HAVE FLOWN IN THE LITTLE ONES.

I HAVE FLOWN IN BIG ONES. I HAVE DONE A LOT OF THAT STUFF.

SO , YEAH. I'M FAMILIAR. SOMETIMES THERE ARE SOME SCARY PARTS. BUT NEEDLESS TO SAY , I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR SOMETHING TO SOME OF THE THINGS THAT MIGHT BE CHANGED.

>> ANYTHING ELSE ANYBODY NEEDS ? THE LAST PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD. I'M OPENING IT. I DO NOT HAVE ANY CARDS FOR THE LAST

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PERIOD. >> BE

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