Feb 01, 2024 Historic Preservation Board

[Minutes from the January 4, 2024 Historic Preservation Board Meeting]

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YET. >> A QUESTION FOR THOSE WHO

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HAVE BEEN BEFORE US? >> IT IS ABOUT THE CERTIFICATES

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OF APPROVAL. >> WELL, SURE.

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>> WHAT IS A CERTIFICATE OF APPROVAL? I'VE NEVER BEEN

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CERTAIN OF WHAT IT WAS. >> PROPERTY IS DESIGNATED AS

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YOUR ROLE. FOR SOMEDAY. >> TO CLARIFY ONE MORE TIME.

CAN WE UNILATERALLY CLEAR ITSELF?

>> THEY HAVE TO SUBJECT THEMSELVES TO THIS. IT IS NOT SOMETHING YOU CAN PLACE ON A PROPERTY.

>> ELLIS OF COURSE, WE HAVE A HISTORIC ZONE.

>> IT IS STILL A PROPERTY RIGHTS. IT IS STILL THERE PROPERTY AND UPSET THEM TO VOLUNTEER TO BE DESIGNATED,

AFTER A HISTORIC BOARD. >> ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU.

PUBLIC COMMENTS? WE CAN MOVE ON TO STAFF COMMENTS.

[Staff Comments]

>> AT THE LAST MEETING. WE TALKED ABOUT THE QUESTION OF MARKERS AND -- SPRINGS. THERE WERE TWO MARKERS. THE CHURCH AND -- 11. PUT ON THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS AGENDA. THERE WAS NO QUESTION BROUGHT UP. WE EXPECT THE COUNTY TO REACH OUT AND THE CITY TOWN MANAGERS TO PURSUE THEIR APPROVAL. IN THE LOCAL AGREEMENT WITH THE COUNTY CITY BOARD AND MARKERS.

THAT HAS BEEN ADDRESSED AND ALL OF THAT IS RESOLVED. THE MARKERS CAN BE COMPLETED. I IMAGINE IF YOU CAN CONTINUE WORKING ON THE MARKERS. I BELIEVE YOU HAD THE CHURCH

MARKER YOU ARE WORKING ON. >> AND THE CITY ATTORNEY.

WHAT THEY THOUGHT SHOULD BE THE NEXT STEP COMING TO AN UNDERSTANDING AND THEY SAID, THE MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING WITH THE ONE INSTRUMENT. IT TENDS TO BE MORE LIMITED TO INDIVIDUALS INCIDENTS. AS IT WOULD BE IF THE ANNUAL NEGOTIATION IF THE COUNTY CITY OF -- ALLOCATED A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF MONEY TO BE APPLIED AT THE CITY. FOR THIS KIND OF

THING. >> THIS WAS SPECIFICALLY FOR THOSE TWO MARKERS. IT IS UP TO THE COUNTY MANAGER AND ATTORNEY TO PURSUE THIS FURTHER. IF THEY WANT TO OPEN IT UP FOR OTHERS, THAT IS BEYOND ALL OF US AT THIS POINT. IT IS UP TO THEM. THEY CONTACTED EACH OTHER?

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>> THE BOARD APPROVED IT AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT ACTION HAS BEEN TAKEN SINCE. THAT IS THE NEXT STEP.

>> OKAY. HOW DO WE FIND OUT IF THE COUNTY IS IN TOUCH WITH

THE CITY ON THIS? >> I IMAGINE WE HEAR BACK FROM THE COUNTY ATTORNEY. I ASSUME IT GOES ON THE BOARDS AGENDA FOR THE SIGNATURE. THE BCC BOARD.

>> I WILL LET YOU KNOW WHEN IT IS ALL RESOLVED.

>> OKAY. THEY SHOULD HAVE COME BEFORE THE COUNCIL AND BOARD? THEY HAPPEN TO VISIT THEIR MEETINGS AND YOU CAN GO AND FIND OUT. I'VE BEEN TO ONE OF THEIRS RECENT KNEE. ANY MORE COMMENTS FROM OTHER MEMBERS?

>> I HAVE A COMMENT. >> SINCE I WAS, WHAT DID YOU WANT ME TO -- I'M SORRY? THE ONLY THING I WANT TO BREAK UP AGAIN THAT WE DISCUSSED WAS LISTERIA. THE BOARD HAS TO MEET FOUR TIMES A YEAR. WE DISCUSSED IT TRYING TO MEET WITH THE MEETING'S. WE HAVE SOME MILD MARKERS WE HAVE TO HIT BASICALLY IN THE UPCOMING MONTHS AND YOU CAN CHANGE IT A LITTLE BIT. WE CONSIDERED A NEW CHAIR. THE SLATE IS COMPLETED. JUNE IS WHEN YOU BOTH WITH THE NEW CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR. THAT TAKES PLACE IN AUGUST AS THE NEW TRANSITION.

IF YOU WANT TO DISCUSS HAVING FOUR MEETINGS IN A YEAR INSTEAD OF THE 10 YOU DO HAVE. WE SKIP THE MEETING AND DID

NOT GET BACK TO IT. >> I THOUGHT WE HAD SIX

MEETINGS? >> WE DID AND WE DIDN'T. WE SKIP THE MEETING AND WENT RIGHT BACK TO MEETING EVERY

MONTH. >> I THOUGHT WE VOTED. I THOUGHT WE WOULD ONLY HAVE SIX MEETINGS? I DON'T THINK IT ENDED UP BEING APPROVED. THESE OTHER MONTHLY MEETING'S.

>> THAT'S WHY I THOUGHT IT WAS TOO FEW?

>> I THOUGHT SIX WAS TOO FEW. >> WE CURRENTLY MEET 10 TIMES

A YEAR. >> YES. IN MY OPINION. YES.

>> NATURALLY, THERE WILL BE THING THAT WE TAKE INDIVIDUAL MEMBERS. BUT THE BUSINESS TO BE DONE AND PUSH FORWARD SEEMS TO BE ENOUGH TO JUSTIFY THE MEETING AS OFTEN AS WE USED

TO. >> WHAT MONTHS DO WE SKIP?

>> WE SKIP JULY AND DECEMBER. >> DECEMBER WE ALREADY SKIPPED

THAT. >> WHICH ONE DO WE WANT TO SKIP? YOU WANT TO KEEP IT SKIPPED OR STAY WITH 10?

>> WE SKIPPED JULY BECAUSE THE REST OF THE COUNCIL SKIPS JULY. WHERE DID WE COME UP WITH SKIPPING JULY?

>> JULY ON DECEMBER MAKES 10. THAT'S WHAT IT IS.

>> ARE WE ALL IN FAVOR KEEPING IT AT 10 MANY -- 10 MEETINGS

ONLY? >> DO WE ENTERTAIN A MOTION OF

SOME KIND ABOUT IT? >> I WOULD LIKE TO.

>> ANYBODY WANT TO MAKE A MOTION?

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>> WE HAVE ENOUGH BUSINES IDEAS AND COMMITTEES. THAT WANT -- THAT WOULD KEEP US BUSY FOR 10 MEETINGS. IF IT COMES TO SITTING AROUND GOING, NO NOT LIKE THAT, WE CAN GET THAT PAY. BUT I'M FINE WITH IT. I ENJOY HISTORY AND WHAT IS IMPORTANT. WE ARE ALL IN IT TO DO SOMETHING FOR THE COUNTY

AND ITS HISTORY. SO. >> IS THAT A MOTION ON YOUR

PART? >> WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE A

MOTION. THAT'S FINE. >> WE SORT OF PARTLY STARTED TO. WE MAY CLARIFY THINGS TO KEEP IT.

>> I HAVE AN EXPERT IN MY EAR.

>> OKAY. ALL RIGHT, GOOD. WHERE YOU FINISHED?

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>> I DID NOT START MY COMMENTS. THE BOARD MEMBERS COMMENTS FOR

REAL. >> SINCE I COULD NOT BE HER LAST MONTH. I WATCHED THE MEETING LIVE STREAMING ON FACEBOOK. I HIGHLY RECOMMEND YOU TAKE A LOOK AT SOME OF THE MEETINGS TO SEE HOW WE APPEAR . IT OPENED MY EYES. SEVERAL THINGS STOOD OUT TO ME. ONE WAS HOW MUCH TIME WE SPENT ON OBJECTIONS TO THE SUNSHINE LAW AND TO THE MARKER FUNDING GUIDELINES. THE RAMBLING DISCUSSIONS DIFFUSE OUR FOCUS AND WEAKEN RELATIONS WITH COMMUNITY MEMBERS. I'M GOING TO NAME SOME MARKERS RIGHT HERE. SEE IF YOU REMEMBER THE MARKERS. ORANGE PARK, NORMAL, INDUSTRIAL SCHOOL. MAGNOLIA LAKE STATE PARK. THE AUGUSTA SAVAGE SITE. EVERYBODY RECOGNIZES THOSE? HOW ARE THEY FUNDED?

>> I WASN'T ON THE BOARD. THOSE ARE ALL MARKERS .

CORRECTED SINCE 2017. ACCORDING TO THE 2023 AGENDA.

EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THOSE WAS FUNDED BY MULTIPLE ORGANIZATIONS. I'M GOING BY WHAT WAS IN THE AGENDA. WAS THE AGENDA WRONG ABOUT THE SPONSORS?

>> IT WAS SPONSORED BY THE CITY AND STATE BASED ON THE LANGUAGE ON THE MARKER. BUT IT WAS PAID FOR BY THE COUNTY. FOR CUSTIS SAVAGE. I CANNOT SPEAK TO THE OTHERS. THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS AND THE CITY OF GLENCOE SPRINGS AND THE COMMISSION TOWN OF ORANGE PARK AND HISTORICAL SOCIETIES OF ORANGE PARK. THESE ARE ALL JOINTLY FUNDED. THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT IS STRANGE AND WEIRD AND WE HAVE TO HAVE A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT IT. ASKING SUPPORTERS OF MARKERS THAT ARE SITUATED WITH THE INCORPORATED AREAS TO CONTRIBUTE TO THEIR COST IS NO BURDEN. REPRESENTS A VALUABLE OPPORTUNITY TO TELL WHY THE HISTORICAL PROPERTY IS SO SIGNIFICANT. IN DOING SO TO GENERATE PUBLIC ATTENTION AND INCREASE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AND ATTRACT FINANCIAL SUPPORT.

AS WE'VE SEEN, SOMETIMES IT IS SIMPLY A MATTER OF GOING BEFORE THE COMMISSIONERS. OR THE CITIGROUP. AND BRINGING UP THE ISSUE. THESE ARE NOT ON THE THINGS WE HAVE TO GET INTO A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT. IN ADDITION, AND SO THE PREOCCUPATION WITH THESE OUTSIDE DISTRACTIONS, THE LACK OF A PLAN AND A BUDGET AND A PROCESS FOR THE MARKER PROCESS STANDS IN OUR WAY REGULARLY. SOME OF WHAT I WILL TOUCH ON.

HAS BEEN TOUCHED ON ALREADY BUT I WILL GO AHEAD AND MENTION. IN 2023, THE SUBCOMMITTEE MEANT TO REVISE THE TEXT FOR THE BLUE ANGELS MARKER. SINCE OCTOBER, THE MARKER TEXT APPEARED ON THE AGENDA MANY TIMES. BUT IT WAS NEVER CLEAR IF PROGRESS WAS BEING MADE? EITHER THE FINAL CORRECTION BEING INCORPORATED OR THE COUNTY ARCHIVISTS BEEN CONSULTED TO SEE THE TEXT ADS TO HER DUPLICATES THE STORY BEING TOLD IN THE EXHIBIT KIOSK THEY PLAN. SHOULD THERE

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THEY WILL CONSUME NEARLY ALL THE FUNDING UNLESS WE GET A CUT. THE NEXT THREE YEARS. TO ALL THE PROJECTS MERIT ESTATE MARKER. OR IS IT MORE FITTING FOR SOME? UNDER PRESENT LAW, WE WERE APPOINTED TO THE BOARD AND THAT APPOINTED TO CHANGE THEM. WE ARE FREE TO CONDUCT RESEARCH AND SPEAK TO SOURCES AND EDIT MARKER TEXT AND PERFORM OTHER MEMBER DUTIES.

LOBBYING AND POLITICAL ACTIVISM ARE NOT PART OF THE PURPOSE AS A BOARD AS I UNDERSTAND IT. LET US TAKE THESE DISTRACTIONS OFF THE TABLE AT THE MEETINGS AND FOCUS ON THE WORK AHEAD.

OTHERWISE, HOW CAN WE GET THESE DONE AND ATTRACT CAPABLE NEW MEMBERS TO CONTRIBUTE TO THE EFFORTS TO PRESERVE THE IMPORTANT HISTORICAL PROPERTIES IN CLAY COUNTY? THANK YOU.

>> COMMENTS? FOR I HAVE A FEW COMMENTS. IT PLAYS INTO WHAT THEY ARE SPEAKING ON. RIGHT BEFORE THE MEETING STARTED, I WAS SPEAKING WITH -- SHE ASKED ME IF WE COMPLETED , WE HAD MANY SUBCOMMITTEE MEETINGS WITH REGARDS TO THE BLUE ANGELS. WE HAVE GOTTEN IT TO THE POINT WHERE WE HAVE THE TEXT. AND SHE ASKED IF WE CAN SEND IT OVER TO HER FOR HER REVIEW OF WHICH I TOLD HER I WOULD SEND IT OVER TO HER TOMORROW. BUT I THINK AT THAT POINT, THE NEXT MONTH, WE NEED TO COME AND MOVE THIS ALONG. I THINK WHAT MAUREEN IS SAYING IN A SIMPLE STICK WAY. SIMPLISTIC WAY. WHERE STEP , ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR AND THE TRAIL OF ALL THESE MARKERS. WE DO HAVE, WHAT IS IT, SEVEN MARKERS? IN PLAY HERE. WE NEED A METHODOLOGY FROM GETTING IT FROM A-Z. WE NEED A PATH. I DON'T THINK IT IS AS SIMPLE . THERE ARE COMPLEXITIES. THEY ARE NOT ALL THE SAME. BECAUSE THE BLUE ANGELS MARKER WAS GOING TO BE AT THE OAKLEY PLANTATION WITHIN THE H AWAY VERSUS THE KEYSTONE HEIGHTS HISTORIC IN ON CITY PROPERTY, AND MANDATED DIFFERENT THINGS , DIFFERENT WAYS OF DOING THINGS.

BECAUSE OF THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT, AT MY UNDERSTANDING, CLAY COUNTY WILL PAY FOR THE 11 MARKER OF WHICH NOBODY HAS STARTED TO WRITE IT. IS THIS CORRECT?

>> SINCE WE TALKED ABOUT THE CHURCH AND GLENCOE SPRINGS.

YOU ALREADY APPROVED IT. I WANT TO TAKE THE LEAD ON THE 11 MARKER. AND START WORKING. AND I HAVE THE TIPS FILE. IT'S GOING TO REALLY IMPROVE AND I HAVE A HISTORIAN ON THE KEYSTONE HEIGHTS HERITAGE COMMISSION. THAT'LL BE A GREAT ASSET MOVING IT FORWARD. I DON'T THINK IT IS AS LONG AS THE BLUE ANGELS MARKER. PUT THE MARKER FOR THE BLUE ANGELS IN PLACE. WE DON'T HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL THE KIOSK AND EVERYTHING IS COMPLETED. IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING WE ARE WAITING ON THE WHOLE PIECE TO BE DONE IN ORDER TO PLACE THE MARKER.

THAT IS NOT THE CASE. IT IS IMPORTANT TO HAVE THIS CONVERSATION. IT REALLY SHOWS THERE ARE COMPLEXITIES THAT ARE NOT ALL THE SAME AS FAR AS THE MARKERS GETTING COMPLETED.

WE DO HAVE TO HAVE THIS DISCUSSION TO MOVE THESE ALONG.

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IT DOESN'T TALK ABOUT THE CITY AT ALL. IT TALKS ABOUT THE END.

IT'S IMPORTANT CONSIDERING KEYSTONE HEIGHTS IS HAVING THEIR CENTENNIAL NEXT YEAR. IT GETS MOVED UP IN THE HIERARCHY AS FAR AS GETTING THE ENTIRE CITY . WHICH IS CELEBRATING THE 100TH ANNIVERSARY I WOULD LOVE TO FORM A SUBCOMMITTEE FOR ANYBODY WHO WOULD LIKE TO BE ON THAT? ON THAT MARKER, I WANT TO WORK ON THAT AS WELL. BILLY, DID YOU RAISE YOUR HAND?

OH, THANK YOU. OKAY. >> WOULD BE BE IN A NICE

HISTORIC HOUSE? >> A MORE INTIMATE THING ON

THE LAKE. >> THAT HISTORIC HOUSE AND WE COULD MEET THERE. WE CAN MEET ANYWHERE. IT'S THE PUBLIC PLACE THAT IS ADVERTISED. WE WILL MEET IN A PUBLIC PLACE.

THAT WAS ALL MY COMMENTS. DOES IT BRING US TO 10 APPROVED? AND TWO COMING IN? IN TERMS OF THE STATE HISTORICAL MARKERS? HOW MANY YEARS OUT UNLESS THEY INCREASE THE MONEY THEY GIVE US FROM THE COUNTY. IS ANY SINGLE ONE OF THE MARKERS A CANDIDATE FOR THE COUNTY HISTORIC MARKERS? COUNTY HISTORIC

MARKERS KEEP DISAPPEARING. >> THAT WAS A SIGN ON THE ROAD TO SIGNIFY IT WAS A HISTORIC SITES. BILLY AND KIMBERLY MORGAN AND I MET YESTERDAY TO DISCUSS IT FURTHER. I KNOW YOU'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT IT DURING YOUR COMMENTS.

>> WE MEANT TO DISCUSS THIS BASICALLY FROM MY UNDERSTANDING. THERE ARE OTHER COMPONENTS THAT'LL BE GOING IN THE COUNTY. THERE IS AN ARTS AND CULTURAL COMMISSION.

MULTI-LEGGED STOOL. ITALY HISTORICAL CULTURAL WITH TOURISM OF ALL KINDS. WORKING TOGETHER ON THE SIDE PROJECT.

WE DID GO AHEAD TO GET APPROVAL TO PUT THE HOUSING PLANTATION SIGN BACK UP. BUT ONCE GOING BACK UP IN THE NEXT FEW WEEKS.

WHEN I BROUGHT IT UP TO THE BOARD AND I REMEMBER. I DID NOT KNOW ABOUT THE CULTURAL COMMITTEE COMING DOWN THE PIPE.

I THOUGHT IT WOULD JUST BE HISTORICAL. AFTER MY MEETING YESTERDAY, I FOUND OUT IT WAS GOING TO BE LITTLE MORE COMPLICATED. I KNOW THERE WAS SOME TALK ABOUT MAYBE HAVING SOMEBODY REPRESENT THE HISTORICAL BOARD. WE MAY NEED TO BE PREPARED TO HAVE SOMEBODY REPRESENT US ON THAT.

HOPEFULLY IN A MONTH OR TWO WE WILL HAVE SOME MORE

INFORMATION. >> OKAY. WITH THE KEYSTONE

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>> WITH THE HERITAGE COMMISSION NOT BE WORKING ON

THAT? >> WE ARE. WE HAVE SUCH A LIMITED BUDGET. AND WE ARE TRYING TO DO IT . YOU KNOW? SO MANY OTHER THINGS. I WOULD THINK THAT IS HISTORIC AND UP

TO THE WHOLE COUNTY. >> RIGHT NOW. WE DON'T HAVE THE HISTORICAL SIGN POLICY. THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WE ARE MEETING YESTERDAY TO FIGURE OUT.

>> MAY BE AS WE WORK ON THE MARKER TOGETHER? WE CAN FIGURE THAT OUT. IF WE CAN OFFSET THAT --.

>> THE CONCERN IS TO HAVE DIFFERENT SIGN. WE WANT A COMPREHENSIVE WAY OF FINDING PLAN. THAT WORKS TOGETHER. SO THAT WE HAVE SOMETHING THAT IS RECOGNIZABLE WHEN WE HAVE SIGNS. WE DON'T WANT TO CONTRIBUTE ANY EXCLUSION OUT THERE EITHER. KIMBERLY MORGAN IS VERY PROACTIVE. THE TORIES HAVE HISTORIC . THIS IS IMPORTANT TO THE WHOLE THING.

AND WE WANT TO FOLLOW UP AND WORK WITH THE COMMSSION. WE CAN COME BACK TO YOU HOPEFULLY IN THE NEXT MONTH OR TWO.

PHIL WAS APPEALING TO THE COMMISSIONERS THEY WOULD PROBABLY INCREASE THE BUDGET. IF IT SHOWED WHY WE NEEDED IT.

I DON'T THINK THEY WOULD BE GLITCHES AN EXTRA 2500 A COUPLE OF THE YEAR. FOR THE SIGNS THAT HAVE MERIT?

>> I WE IMPROVING SIGNS ON AN AD HOC BASIS? DO WE HAVE ANY WAY TO CHOOSE BETWEEN THEM IF WE HAD FOUR SIGNS COME IN AND TEXT READY? HOW ARE WE GOING TO CHOOSE? SAY, FOR EXAMPLE, THE CHOICE IS BETWEEN 411 AND MIDDLEBURY COLLEGE SCHOOL? HOW DO YOU CHOOSE WHAT TO FUND IF YOU ONLY HAVE 2500 BUCKS LEFT? HAVE A POLICY THAT IS FAIRLY BASIC. IF IN THE COURSE OF THE COMING FISCAL YEAR, WE FIND WE HAVE A CONFLICT. ONE SIDE OR ANOTHER. TO DECIDE WHICH ONE HAS PRIORITY . WILL IT HELP?

>> IT IS ONE OF THE MOST SIGNIFICANT THINGS. SOMEONE WHO'S BEEN WORKING ON ME SAM. IT'LL BE FIRST CHOICE.

SOMETHING A SIGNIFICANT AS THE KEYSTONE CENTENNIAL. BECAUSE

OF THE TIMING. >> WE HAVE TO HAVE SOME GENERAL AGREEMENT THIS IS THE WAY IT WILL BE DONE IN THAT SITUATION IF IT TURNS UP. I KNOW YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT

THIS. >> I GAVE A RECOMMENDED PLAN AND BUDGET. I RECALL IF HE ASKED ANYBODY WHO HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT AT YOUR LAST MEETING. DID YOU HAVE A CHANCE TO LOOK AT IT? DID YOU HAVE A SUGGESTION ABOUT WHAT I

PROPOSED? >> ABOUT THE BUDGET?

>> IT HAS BEEN IN THE MINUTES FOR A FAIR AMOUNT OF TIME.

INMATE APPEARED IN DECEMBER. POSSIBLY NOVEMBER.

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>> WHAT SCIENCE AND MARKERS ARE ALREADY IN THE WORK TO BE PRODUCED? IT IS IN THE CURRENT MINUTES . IN THE LAST FEW MONTHS. THERE IT IS. BRANDON FIELD OLF. WHICH IS BLUE ANGELS. ST. MARYS FISCAL CHURCH , FOOT 11. AND NOW THE

STATE. >> DON'T WE HAVE MIDDLEBURG MUSEUM? THAT MAY BE EXPANDING. AND KEYSTONE HEIGHTS.

>> I'M CERTAIN THE NEXT FEW MONTHS WE ARE GETTING IN THE CLUBHOUSE. WE ALREADY CONTACTED THE STATE ABOUT THAT.

WHERE ARE WE GOING TO CUT THE LINE? WE SPEND EVERY PENNY ON MARKERS. IT LEAVES US OBLIGATED FOR NEXT YEAR AND THE FOLLOWING YEAR. THE WE SUSPEND HAVING OTHER PEOPLE PROPOSED NEW MARKERS? I SUSPECT WE SHOULD GO . JERRY HAS A GOOD SUGGESTION THAT WE GO TO THE COUNTY COMMISSION AND WE ASK FOR ADDITIONAL FUNDS. TO SHOW MERIT . THE MARKERS THAT WE HAVE IN PLACE. THERE WILL BE PEOPLE AND THINGS THAT COME DOWN THE PIPELINE THAT DON'T MERIT THE MARKER. THE ONES

OUT THERE RIGHT NOW TO. >> WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF STUDYING , STARTING TO GET READY FOR THE BUDGET YEAR. WE

NEED TO GET THEM DONE. >> YES. LIKE TEACHER SUGGESTED. EVERY SINGLE PROJECT IS GOING TO HAVE THE UNIQUE ROADBLOCKS. AND BARRIERS AND TIME CONFLICTS.

MY CONCERN IS WE APPROACH IT WITHOUT ANY PLAN. WHERE DO WE

DRAW THE LINE? >> HOW DO WE KNOW WHAT IS COMING UP NEXT, WE USUALLY DON'T. BUT WHAT MECHANISM DO YOU SUGGEST THAT WE APPLY TO MAKE THIS THING MORE WORKABLE? WE SHOULD START WITH A PLAN AND A BUDGET.

>> WE HAVE MONEY BUT WE DON'T HAVE A BUDGET OR PLAN FOR HOW TO SPEND IT. WE DON'T HAVE A PROCESS TO WALK PEOPLE THROUGH.

ESPECIALLY SOMEBODY COMING FROM THE PUBLIC. ATTEMPTS THIS DIFFICULT TYPE OF WRITING. IT IS NOT AS EASY AS DOING A NICE CAPTION IN A BOOK WITH THE PHOTO. IT IS ACTUALLY TELLING THE STATEWIDE SIGNIFICANT STORY OF THIS IMPORTANT HISTORICAL SITE IN OUR COUNTY. IT'S GOING TO BE SIGNIFICANT.

WE CAN TAKE ON ALL THE SITES AT ONE TIME. HOW ARE WE GOING TO MARSHAL OUT OUR ACTIVITY? HOW CAN WE ATTRACT NEW PEOPLE TO HELP WORK ON SOME OF THESE THINGS?

>> RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE ALL THE MARKERS WE ARE WORKING. WE CREATED THE COMMITTEE AND SUBCOMMITTEES. THERE IS SOMEBODY WORKING ON THOSE. LIKE YOU SAID, THERE'S ONLY SO MANY THAT YOU CAN WORK ON AT ONCE. JUST BY THE NUMBERS IN OUR GROUP. THAT IS GOING TO DETERMINE HOW MUCH MORE WE CAN

TAKE ON. >> BUT STILL. WE ONLY HAVE SO MANY RESOURCES? A FEW YEARS OUT WITH OBLIGATIONS ON PROJECTS SEEMS LIKE WE ARE OPERATING TOO FAR IN ADVANCE WITHOUT HAVING THE PLAN FOR MOVING THEM THROUGH. SO, FOR EXAMPLE. PEOPLE CAN'T COME IN HERE WITH JUST ANY DESCRIPTION

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STORY. >> THIS IS VERY INTERESTING.

BUT DO YOU HAVE ANY SPECIFIC PROPOSALS?

>> DO YOU HAVE A COPY OF THE SPECIFIC PROPOSALS I SENT IN AT A STARTING POINT THAT HAS BEEN ON THE AGENDA? WHICH WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT FOR THE LAST SEVERAL MINUTES. THE PERCEIVED EFFECT IN THE WAY THAT WE DESIGNATE PROJECTS FOR SCIENCE. IT IS THE ONLY THING WE APPLY THE BUDGET TO. FOR YEARS. DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING SPECIFIC TO RECOMMEND SO WE CAN -- , OR REPRIORITIZE THINGS CLOSE TO TO I SUGGESTED .

>> I SUGGESTED TO APPROVE MARKERS A YEAR AND ADDITIONAL TRAINING SO ALL OF IT DOESN'T COME CRASHING DOWN ON US, FOR EXAMPLE, A NEW BOARD MEMBER WHO SAID, I DID NOT KNOW ALL THESE RESOURCES WERE AVAILABLE TO HELP YOU WRITE THE TEXT IN A WAY THE STATE WANTS TO RECEIVE IT. WE SHOULD BE PROFESSIONAL AND OFFICE BOARD MEMBERS TO DO OUR JOB AND CONTINUE TO INCREASE OUR ABILITY TO DO OUR JOB BY KNOWING WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE AND HOW TO DO IT. THEY ARE NOT LITTLE LOCAL PROJECTS.

THESE ARE STATE HISTORIC MARKERS WE ARE TALKING ABOUT

ENTIRELY. >> IS THERE A FORM AT ANY STATE LEVEL? FOR ANY COUNTY OUT THERE THAT YOU KNOW OF THAT WOULD HELP THE PUBLIC COMPLETE THIS AND THEY CAN UPLOAD IT TO US? EMAIL IT TO THEM? THAT SAYS, I WOULD LIKE A HISTORIC MARKER. HERE'S A SIGNIFICANCE . EVERYTHING IS WRITTEN NOTES.

WHEN THEY COME TO PRESENTS, THEY HAVE THE KEY THINGS THAT

WE NEED. >> THAT IS GETTING AT GOOD POINTS. A COUPLE OF THEM HAS ABIDED BY THE SUGGESTIONS FROM THE STATE OF HOW THEY WANT THE MARKERS TO BE WRITTEN.

THERE IS A STYLE GUIDE THAT IS RECOMMENDED BY THE STATE. THEY WANT THAT, TOO. PEOPLE CAN'T THINK ABOUT JUST COMING IN HERE AND DOING THIS HIGHLY DETAILED AND INTENSIVE KIND OF WRITING.

AND GETTING IT TO FLY. WE FEEL PUT UPON OR ABUSED BY US BECAUSE WE DID NOT TELL THEM ALL THAT IS INVOLVED WITH DOING

ONE OF THESE MARKERS. >> WE HAVE IN FACT REFERRED PEOPLE WHO WERE AT THE STARTING STAGES WITH THE STATE

GUIDELINES AND RESOURCES ARE. >> REALLY?

>> YES, REALLY. TO I MUST OF BEEN ABSENT THAT DAY. BIG MAC

YOU MUST HAVE. >> I GUESS SO.

>> OKAY. >> I DO NOT THINK THERE WAS ENOUGH TIME LEFT. I WOULD MENTION THE MEETING . PART OF THE NATIONAL TRAIL ASSOCIATION FOR THE CHAPTER. THEY HELD A MEETING AT --. ON MONDAY. I ASKED TO ATTEND ON THE LAKE COUNTY HISTORICAL SOCIETY. IT WAS VERY INTERESTING BECAUSE THEY DISPLAYED , THE NEIGHBORS IN PUTNAM COUNTY ALREADY HAVE PRODUCED THIS VERY PRETTY BROCHURE OF THEIR PART OF THE PROJECT THE TRAIL. AND THE DISCUSSION, OF COURSE. WAS HOW

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ONE OF THE SITE DETAILS INTERESTING ME WAS THIS TOO WOULD HAVE A MARKER. IT WOULD NOT BE A STATE MARKER OR ANYTHING. IT'LL BE A CLAY COUNTY MARKER OF SOME TIME.

THE KIND THAT A SPECIAL SORT FOR THE BARTENDER TRAIL.

INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH. THEY ARE TO BE DESIGNED FOR THE OTHER COUNTIES THAT ARE DISSIPATING. ONE OF THESE THINGS WHERE YOU CAN PUT YOUR SMART PHONE ON THAT I'LL TELL YOU BACKGROUND INFORMATION. FOR THAT PARTICULAR THING. YOU WOULDN'T HAVE A HUGE KIOSK OF VARIOUS DETAILS. THE OTHER THING IS. THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE A PARTICULAR COUNTY LOGO FOR THE PRETERM TRAIL ONLY. THE ISSUE WAS THERE. MR. CARR REPRESENTS THE PRETERM TRAIL OF FLORIDA. CLAY COUNTY CAN HAVE ITS OWN. THEY GET DISTINCTIVE AND SO FORTH. THE SOFTSHELL TURTLE. COUNTY TOURISM. WHO IS THAT LAST PERSON DOWN THE ROAD? IT IS REALLY INTERESTING THING IF ANYBODY IS INTERESTED IN GETTING INVOLVED. I HAVE A COORDINATOR TO CAPTURE THE NATURALIST. CHIEF. IT'S LAUDED AS A BOARD THAT IS CERTAINLY WORTH WATCHING. WISHING WELL TO THE COUNTY.

OKAY? >> I WOULD RECOMMEND. FOR THE COUNTY. TWO I DON'T THINK THE ARMADILLOS IN FLORIDA AND WILLIAM BARTRAM , THEY ARE IN MY YARD ALL THE TIME AND I WISH THEY WEREN'T. BUT, OKAY. IF YOU TRULY AN ARMADILLO , I WILL SEE IT FOR CONSIDERATION.

>> I'LL TAKE THAT. >> I HAVE A QUESTION. I WAS ABOUT TO CONCLUDE THE MEETING NOBODY ELSE HAD A QUESTION.

>> THAT LIST OF STATE MARKETS. THEY HAVE BEEN ORDERED AND

PAID FOR? >> NO. THE TEXT HASN'T BEEN DONE FOR ANY OF THOSE. EXCEPT FOR THE --.

>> IT HASN'T BEEN STARTED OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT?

>> JESS PLUE ANGELS AND GRANITE FIELD.

>> I WOULD LIKE TO SAY WE NEED TO PROBABLY PUT THAT ON HOLD FOR THE TIME BEING. TO WHICH ONE? TO THE SLIM MARKER.

>> THERE IS DISCUSSION ON WHERE THEY WOULD LIKE IT EXACTLY PLACED. THEY ARE CAUTIOUS ABOUT A BEING ON A PROPERTY BECAUSE --. AND THAT KIND OF THING. THEY ARE BEING

STOPPED IN THE ROAD >> WE CAN DO THAT. I ALWAYS ADDED ON THE LIST. IT'S ONE YOU COMMITTED TO DO. I NEED TO

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FORD 11. >> VERY GOOD. YOU WILL SEND AN

EMAIL OUT TO EVERYBODY ELSE? >> YES.

>> YOU MET HERE IN THE PAST? DOES IT WORK DEPENDING ON THE TIME OF DAY? DEPENDING ON THE MEETING?

>> FOR ME AT THOSE. DOES THE KEYSTONE LIBRARY HAVE THAT

ROOM? >> I'M NOT SURE, I CAN CHECK.

TWO WE CAN EVEN TRAVEL DOWN THERE. NEXT TIME, WE CAN BE DOWN THERE AS WE GET CLOSER. THE GOING TO FIELD A MARKER.

>> PLACEMENT AND WE HAVE THE UPDATE AND CONTACT?

>> IT IS THE JOINT PROJECT. TO BE A JOINT PROJECT ON THE HOA PROPERTY. THEY RECEIVED MONEY FROM THE TBC. MAINTENANCE WITH THAT ON THE PROPERTY. I WILL REVISIT THAT AND SEE WHAT WE

CAN DO. >> THE COUNTY HAS LANDED IN OAKLEY. THEY ARE LOOKING TO PURCHASE SOME OTHER PROPERTY.

WHICH IS COUNTY LAND VERSUS PRIVATE LAND.

>> IF WE WANT TO KEEP IT IN THAT AREA, WE HAVE TO KEEP THE SCHOOL BOARD DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM WHERE THE KIOSK IS GOING TO GO. WHAT THEY COULD SEE THE MARKER. IF THE HOA PROPERTY FALLS THROUGH. THERE IS NO MORE ACTION WE CAN TAKE A THIS POINT. WE NEED TO ADD A GPS COORDINATE FOR THE LOCATION.

I LOOKED OVER HER STARTING POINT FOR THE BUDGET. I AGREE WITH YOU. I THINK WE CAN GET TO MARKERS DONE WITH MONEY LEFT OVER FOR SOME MEDICATION AND OPPORTUNITIES FOR US. AS FAR AS BEING COMMITTED TO SO MANY MARKERS. FOR EXAMPLE. IF WE ARE PUT INTO THE MUNICIPALITY, WHY NOT ASK THEM? LET'S COOPERATE ON THIS AND SPLIT THE FUNDING. AND GET IT TO MOVE FORWARD. IF IT IS FOR A PRIVATE FOR THE CHURCH. WE PUT A PATH, YOU PUT UP THE OTHER HALF. THAT'S ONE MECHANISM TO MOVE IT FORWARD WITH THE LIMITED BUDGET WE

HAVE. >> SHOULD WE CARRY THE WAFER THE PRIVATE MARKERS CHURCH? RIGHT? AS OPPOSED TO ASKING THEM AND APPROACH THE COMMUNITY. AND GET IMMEDIATE ATTENTION AND LOOK AT THE IMPORTANT BUILDING. BUILD INTEREST AND ENCOURAGE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT.

>> HE SAID SOMETHING ABOUT THE GOLF COURSE ? MARK THE GOLF CLUB HOUSE THAT USED TO BE IN HIBERNIA IS NOW IN ORANGE PARK.

WHOEVER'S WANTING THE MARKER, THEY FOUND THAT. OR PART OF IT.

>> IT'S ONE OF THE THINGS UNLESS IT IS THE COUNTY

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>> THAT IS HOW THEY GET DONE JOINTLY, COOPERATIVELY.

HOLDING ILIFE AND COMMUNITY RESOURCES IS WHAT WE ARE

TALKING ABOUT. >> LIKE THE KEYSTONE MARKER.

WE HAVE A YEAR TO GET THAT DONE? WE MAY NEED TO GET ON THE BALL TO GET LEGAL. WE NEED TO HAVE AN INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT PROJECT. THAT IS SOMETHING WE WOULD NEED TO GET THE BALL

ROLLING. ON THE LEGAL SIDE. >> THAT'S WHAT WE WILL WANT TO

HAPPEN. >> THERE WERE PLENTY OF OPPORTUNITIES FOR US TO MOVE FORWARD. AT THE SAME TIME, WE NEED TO SET PROCEDURES. NOT NECESSARY POLICY BECAUSE WE DON'T MAKE POLICY. THAT'S THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS JOB. WE CAN PUT CHECKS AND BALANCES AND PROCEDURES IN PLACE THAT WE CAN MOVE FORWARD.

>> WHY DO WE NOT? >> YEAH. WHAT IS , HOW SOON ARE WE GOING TO BE MOVING ON THE SCHOOL MARKER?

>> IT IS ENTIRELY DEPENDENT UPON THE FINDINGS OF THE TEAM WORKING ON THE BUILDING RIGHT NOW. THE REPORT IS NOT ISSUED

UNTIL JUNE AT THE EARLIEST. >> THAT IS FOR THE HISTORICAL

REGISTRY? >> WAY. WE'RE LOOKING AT THE HISTORICAL REGISTE AND MARKER AT THE SAME TIME BECAUSE MANY REQUIREMENTS ARE VERY CIVIL. IF WE ARE DESIGNATING A BUILDING, THE BUILDING HAS TO BE STANDING WHETHER IT HAS A MARKER AND REGISTRAR. AS FAR AS TRYING TO DECIDE WHAT COMES FIRST. THAT'S SOMETHING WE HAVE TO AGREE TO IS A BOARD THINK. UNLESS THERE IS A TIME ISSUE. WHICHEVER ONE IS WORKING ON FIRST. THAT'S THE WAY I WOULD LOOK AT IT.

WHICHEVER ONE GETS DONE FIRST.

>> WHATEVER IS READY TO GO IS WHAT WE SHOULD BE FUNDING. I

BELIEVE. >> TWO OF THEM COME IN AT THE SAME TIME. AND BEGET THREE OF THEM DONE AT THE SAME TIME.

>> WE CAN VOTE ON IT. >> AGAIN. TRYING TO SHARE THE

COST . >> THAT'S A VERY INTERESTING SUGGESTION. THEY ARTICULATED THE POLICY FROM NOW ON.

>> THAT'S ALL I HAVE. >> OKAY. ANY FURTHER COMMENTS?

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.