[INVOCATION] [00:00:10] EVERYONE TO THE BCC MEETING. IF YOU COULD RISE WE WILL BEGIN THE MEETING WITH OUR INVITATION BY COMMISSIONER COMPERE. >> PLEASE BOW. LORD, GOD ALMIGHTY, THANK YOU FOR THIS DAY. THANK YOU, LORD FOR THE BREATH OF LIFE WE HAVE . LORD , I PRAY LORD, YOUR WILL TODAY WILL BE DONE HERE AS WE CONDUCT COUNTY BUSINESS. WE ARE ASKING FOR WISDOM, KNOWLEDGE, AND UNDERSTANDING AS WE GO ABOUT THE ITEMS ON THIS AGENDA. WE PRAY LORD , THAT YOU WOULD BE IN OUR MIDST AND THANK YOU, GOD FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY TO SERVE YOUR PEOPLE HERE IN CLAY COUNTY . LORD, WE WANT TO DO IT WELL , SERVE WELL. WE SERVE FOR THOSE AROUND THE COUNTY THAT KEEP THE FUNCTIONS OF THE COUNTY GOING . WE PRAY FOR SPECIAL BLESSINGS ON THEM. THANK YOU, GOD FOR YOUR PROTECTION, TODAY . IN THE NAME OF JESUS, I PRAY, AMEN. >> AMEN. >> THIS AFTERNOON WE HAVE A SPECIAL GUEST, FORMER MARINE LORI TRIFARO. SHE SERVED FIVE YEARS IN THE UNITED STATES MARINE CORPS . SHE IS A DECORATED VETERAN HOLDING AWARDS, INCLUDING A NATIONAL SERVICE TERRORISM METAL AND A GOOD CONDUCT MEDAL. THAT MEANS SHE DIDN'T GET CAUGHT VIOLATING ANYTHING FOR FOUR YEARS. SHE JOINED THE MILITARY BECAUSE SHE FELT A DESIRE TO SERVE HER COUNTRY AND WAS INSPIRED BY HER YOUNGEST BROTHER WHO JOINED BEFORE HER. LOOKING BACK ON HER SERVICE, HER FAVORITE MEMORIES OF HER LIFELONG FRIENDS. THAT IS WHAT YOU DO IN THE MILITARY, CREATE LIFELONG FRIENDS. AND, HER HUSBAND IS ANOTHER FORMER MARINE. SHE CURRENTLY IS A PSYCHOLOGY STUDENT AT THE UNIVERSITY OF NORTH FLORIDA. SHE INTERNS AT THE HEADSTART PROGRAM AND WILL STUDY ABROAD NEXT YEAR. WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME THIS EVENING AND FOR HER SERVICE TO THE COUNTRY. TAKE IT AWAY. WE WILL HAVE THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. >> I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. >> AND, THE MICROPHONE IS YOURS. >> GOOD AFTERNOON LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME HERE. THIS IS SOMETHING I HAVE NEVER DONE BEFORE. I AM ALSO A YANKEE LIVING IN FLORIDA. I GREW UP ON LONG ISLAND, NEW YORK AND I ENLISTED OUT OF THE D.C. AREA. I WENT FROM SOUTH CAROLINA WHERE I TRAINED IN BOOT CAMP, NORTH CAROLINA AND THEN , I WAS SENT TO CALIFORNIA AND YUMA, ARIZONA. I WENT FROM ONE DESERT TO ANOTHER. JUST SOMETHING INTERESTING. WHILE I WAS SERVING , I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY WHEN I JOINED IN 2013 BEFORE WOMEN WERE ALLOWED IN COMBAT ROLES , AND WHEN I WENT TO BOOT CAMP I WAS OFFERED THE OPPORTUNITY TO VOLUNTEER , AS LONG AS A QUALIFIED AND BEAT THE MALE MINIMUM STANDARDS , THEN I COULD VOLUNTEER TO BE ONE OF THE FIRST WOMEN TO PARTICIPATE IN COMBAT TRAINING , MARINE COMBAT TRAINING. AT THE END OF BOOT CAMP TRAINING I VOLUNTEERED TO DO THAT AND I WAS ONE OF THE FIRST 30 WOMEN TO GRADUATE. I FEEL LIKE I PAVED THE WAY THERE. OF COURSE, THAT WAS 2013 AND IN 2014 I GRADUATED FROM THAT INFANTRY TRAINING BATTALION IN NORTH CAROLINA. IN 2016 , THEY CHANGED THE LAW THAT WOMEN COULD JOIN IN A COMBAT ROLE. I WANTED TO SHARE THAT WITH YOU. THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME. >> >> MOST MARINES REMEMBER THEIR EXPERIENCE ON PARRIS ISLAND, DO YOU REMEMBER THE NAME OF YOUR DRILL INSTRUCTOR? [00:05:08] >> THERE YOU GO. YOU NEVER FORGET THAT. I REMEMBER MINE. I GOT TRAINED BY MARINES. ALL NAVY PILOTS GET TRAINED BY MARINES WHEN THEY FIRST COME IN. ANYWAY. I WILL NEVER FORGET IT. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT. WE WILL CALL [CALL TO ORDER] THE MEETING FOR THE BCC TO ORDER. FIRST ITEM IS ROLL CALL. I SEE WE HAVE EVERYBODY PRESENT. ALL PRESENT AND [PET ADOPTIONS] ACCOUNTED FOR. WE WILL GET RIGHT INTO THE PET ADOPTIONS. TO SHOW, TODAY BUT THEY DID WANT US TO REMIND EVERYBODY THAT WE ARE STILL IN NEED OF POSTURE --FOSTER PARENTS ARE DOGS, CATS AND KITTENS. YOU CAN JOIN OUR KITCHEN TRUE. WE NEED FOSTERS IF YOU ARE INTERESTED. PLEASE CONTACT CLAY FOSTERS AT CLAY COUNTY.GOV. AS ALWAYS, IF YOU ARE INTERESTED IN HELPING OUR FURRY FRIEND CAN'T BRING ONE HOME, PLEASE TAKE A LOOK AT HER AMAZON WAS LIST. WE ARE ALWAYS IN NEED OF ITEMS FOR OUR FOSTER KITTENS AND SHELTER ANIMALS. THAT COMPLETES HER PET ADOPTIONS FOR TODAY. >> ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. IF THE COMMISSION COULD MAKE ME [Recognition - Appointment to Bureau Chief, Jairo Herrera] DOWN BELOW FOR A SPECIAL STAFF RECOGNITION. IT IS ALWAYS GREAT TO RECOGNIZE STAFF AND IT IS ALWAYS HARD TO CALL OUT THE BEST OF THE BEST. TONIGHT , WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT --WE ARE GOING TO GIVE SPECIAL RECOGNITION TODAY FOR A MEMBER OF OUR PUBLIC SAFETY DEPARTMENT . THIS GOES TO FIRE RESCUE CHIEFS WHO ARE HERE TO RECOGNIZE THIS PROMOTION OF THE BUREAU CHAFE --CHIEF , JAIRO HERRERA . IT IS A MODEL PROGRAM THAT IS BEEN DESIGNATED THROUGHOUT THE NORTHEAST FLORIDA REGION AS ONE OF THE BEST IN THE WHOLE STATE. IN THE COUNTRY? THAT IS EVEN BETTER YET. WITHOUT FURTHER ADO . >> THANK YOU, SIR. >> CHIEF JAIRO HERRERA IF YOU AND YOUR FAMILY WOULD LIKE TO JOIN US. CHIEF JAIRO HERRERA IS GOING TO BE OUR BUREAU CHIEF . HE SERVED EIGHT YEARS IN THE UNITED STATES NAVY AND 28 YEARS IN THE FLORIDA FIRE SERVICE. CURRENTLY , HE IS A REGISTERED NURSE AND HAS BEEN FOR 23 YEARS. HE HAS EXPERIENCE NOT ONLY AS A PARAMEDIC, A FIRE OFFICE AND AN URBAN SEARCH AND RESCUE TASK FORCE LEADER AND IS A STATE CERTIFIED FIRE INSTRUCTION 3 AND TEACHES EMS AND FIRE SUPPRESSION SKILLS. HE IS EXPERIENCED IN EMERGENCY MEDICINE, CARDIAC EMERGENCY MEDICINE AND TO RECEIVE THE NAVY MERITORIOUS UNIT COMMENDATION IN THE NATIONAL SERVICE DEFENSE MEDAL. HE IS AWARDED THE CERTIFICATE OF ACCOMMODATION FOR PROFESSIONALISM AND COURAGE IN THE FIRE SERVICE AND HOLDS A BACHELORS DEGREE IN NURSING FROM THE UNIVERSITY OF NORTH FLORIDA. HE HOLDS AN ASSOCIATE DEGREE IN EMERGENCY MEDICAL SERVICES AND IS PASSIONATE IN IMPROVING THE COMMUNITY HEALTH, WELL-BEING AND THROUGH COMPASSION AND DEDICATION AND PROFESSIONALISM AND AS YOU SEE A COUPLE OF HIS GREATEST ACCOMPLISHMENTS ARE HIS WIFE AND ONE OF HIS SONS WHO ARE HERE WITH US, TODAY. >> DO YOU HAVE THE BAD? --DO YOU HAVE THE BADGE ? WILL RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND YOU WILL TAKE THE OATH OF OFFICE. I AM SURE YOU'RE QUITE FAMILIAR. I, JAIRO HERRERA DO SOLEMNLY SWEAR THAT I WILL FAITHFULLY EXECUTE THE DUTIES AND [00:10:03] RESPONSIBILITIES OF THE POSITION OF BUREAU CHIEF , DUTIES AND RESPONSIBILITIES IN GOOD EXAMPLE IN ALL ACTIONS AND DEEDS . I WILL SUPPORT THE CAN --CONSTITUTION OF UNITED STATES , THE STATE OF FLORIDA , THE LAWS AND ORDINANCES OF CLAY COUNTY, AND THE BEST OF MY ABILITY I WILL SERVE AND PROTECT THE CITIZENS AND VISITORS OF THIS COMMUNITY. IN THE DISCHARGE OF MY DUTIES, SO HELP ME GOD. THANK YOU, CHIEF. CONGRATULATIONS. >> >> THANK YOU, CHIEF. TO BE IN THIS POSITION. I LIKED YOUR PRAYER. I WOULD GIVE SOMETHING TO BE ABLE TO BREATHE. ONE OF THE MISSIONS OF THIS PROGRAM IS THE OPIOID EPIDEMIC AND NOT EVERYBODY HAS THE ABILITY TO BREATHE. THE IDEA TO BE IN THIS PART OF THE HEALTH COMMUNITY IN VARIOUS DIFFERENT POSITIONS THE PROGRAM IS INVOLVED IN AND ONE OF THOSE IS THE OPIOID EPIDEMIC. COMMISSIONERS PRAYER ABOUT BEING ABLE TO BREATHE, WE TAKE THAT FOR GRANTED. A BIG OPPORTUNITY AND BIG BLESSING FOR ME TO BE ABLE TO GO OUT AND BE ABLE TO DO THAT . THE INITIATIVE FOR US TO GET NARCAN ABOARD AND DO NARCAN TRAINING AND PROVIDE THAT TO THE COMMUNITY, AS WELL AS HELP NORMAL PATIENTS THAT ARE OUT THERE. IT IS A BLESSING TO BE IN THIS POSITION AND I THANK YOU --TO EVERYONE WHO HAS BEEN INVOLVED. >> >> MODIFY OUR AGENDA A LITTLE BIT AND WE WILL HAVE AN EXTRA PRESENTATION BY TROY NAGEL . >> GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS. I AM THE COUNTY MANAGER. AS YOU ARE AWARE WE HAD A LARGE ANIMAL SURRENDER TODAY. WE WILL PROVIDE AN UPDATE TO THE COMMISSIONERS AND TO THE PUBLIC ON WHERE WE ARE AT. THE INDIVIDUAL WAS TAKING CARE OF ANIMALS AND HE PROBABLY GOT A LITTLE BIT MORE OVERWHELMED THAN WHAT THEY COULD HANDLE ON THEIR PROPERTY. TO THIS POINT, THEY HAVE SURRENDERED 70 --84 ANIMALS. SO, 72 DOGS AND 12 CATS AND WE ARE STILL REMOVING ANIMALS FROM THE PROPERTY. THOSE ANIMALS ARE BEING TRANSPORTED AND BEING TESTED , VACCINATED AND TRANSPORTED TO THE FAIRGROUNDS. THEY WILL THEN MOVE TO ASSESSMENT TONIGHT AND TOMORROW. AT THAT POINT WE WILL BE WORKING WITH OUR RESCUES TO TAKE THOSE ANIMALS TO OTHER RESCUES AND GET THEM ADOPTED OUT. WILL FIND THE SHELTER. ARE SHELTER STAYS PRETTY FULL AND WE HAVE A LIMITED CAPACITY. WE ARE OPENING UP DONATIONS AND VOLUNTEER OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE PUBLIC IF THEY WOULD LIKE TO HELP. THEY CAN VISIT THE WEBSITE THAT HAS INFORMATION FOR VOLUNTEERING AND DONATIONS. IF THEY WANT MORE INFORMATION OR WANT TO REGISTER, THEY CAN CALL 904-529-34256 DURING NORMAL BUSINESS HOURS. THAT GOES TO OUR COMMUNITY SERVICES DIVISION WHICH IS HANDLING THE DONATIONS AND VOLUNTEERS. I WOULD LIKE TO SAY A BIG THANK [00:15:02] YOU TO ALL OF THOSE INVOLVED IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR . ONE RESCUE , IN PARTICULAR HAS HELPED FACILITATE US GETTING OUT THERE AND DOING THIS SURRENDER. REM FOLKS , OUR ANIMAL SERVICES FOLKS IN THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE , WE HAVE BEEN IN LOCKSTEP ALL DAY IN DOING THIS SURRENDER. IT IS A BIG OPERATION, AS YOU CAN IMAGINE WITH ON-SITE TESTING OF CLOSE TO 100 ANIMALS AND TRANSPORTING THEM. WE CONSIDER STAFF SAFETY AND PUBLIC SAFETY AND IN DOING ALL OF THAT WE HAD THE WEATHER COOPERATES AND WE ARE IN GOOD SHAPE. DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? BEE CAN YOU REPEAT THAT NUMBER AND WHERE THEY SHOULD GO? >> THE NUMBER IS 904- 529- 4256 . IF THEY GO TO THE COUNTY'S WEBSITE THERE IS A NEWS ARTICLE ON THE WEBSITE THAT HAS A VOLUNTEER LINK TO SIGN UP TO VOLUNTEER AS WELL AS TO DONATE LIKE , FOOD OR OTHER ITEMS TO HANDLE THESE EXTRA ANIMALS WE HAVE AT THIS CURRENT TIME , WHICH IS ALWAYS HELPFUL. >> DONATIONS AND VOLUNTEERING? >> YES, MA'AM. >> THANK YOU. >> ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? THANK YOU, I THINK THIS IS THE SECOND RECOVERY EFFORT WE HAVE HAD IN 12 MONTHS. FOR THOSE OF YOU LISTENING, IF YOU SEE SOMETHING OUT THERE , IT IS REALLY TRAGIC FOR THE PERSON THAT IS DOING THIS, AS WELL AS THE ANIMALS. THEY SUFFER, AS WELL. GIVE US A CALL. THANK YOU , TRY. --THANK YOU, TROY . >> MOST OF THEM WILL GO TO OTHER RESCUES BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE SPACE FOR AN EXTRA HUNDRED ANIMALS. 100 ANIMALS IS PRETTY MUCH, OUR CAPACITY FOR SHELTERS. WE ALREADY HAVE 76 OF THE PROPERTY. THEY ARE VOLUNTEERING AT THE FAIRGROUNDS. THAT IS WHERE WE ARE SETTING UP OUR DONATIONS FOR THE TIME BEING, ALSO. THAT IS WHAT WE DID THE LAST TIME. >> THANK YOU. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? WE [ULI TAPs - Gateway to Clay (G. Gunn)] NOW HAVE A PRESENTATION OF ULI TAPS . >> GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS. GABRIELLE DONE, DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY SOCIAL SERVICES. TONIGHT, I WILL PRESENT ON THE URBAN LAND INSTITUTION TECHNICAL ASSISTANT PANEL FOR GATEWAY CLAY. THIS IS A THIRD STUDY OUT OF THE FOUR I WILL BE BRIEFING YOU ON. ON THIS SLIDE YOU WILL SEE THE STUDY AREA AND THE LINE WHERE DEWFALL MEETS CLAY COUNTY. THE REDLINE IN THE MIDDLE THAT IS HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW WAS THE TOP STUDY AREA. YOU WILL SEE THROUGHOUT THE REST OF TONIGHT'S PRESENTATION WE WILL REFERENCE THE ORANGE BROOK MALL AND HILLTOP AND THE BEST BET AREA , ALONG WITH THE INDUSTRIAL LOOP IN THE MIDDLE. ALSO, THERE IS THE RAILROAD LINE ALONG WITH THE TOWN OF ORANGE PARK MUNICIPAL BOUNDARY. LAND INSTITUTE IS A NONPROFIT EDUCATION AND RESEARCH INSTITUTE SUPPORTED BY ITS MEMBERS. ITS MISSION IS TO SHAPE THE FUTURE OF THE BUILT ENVIRONMENT FOR A TRANSFORMATIVE IMPACT ON IMPUNITY'S WORLDWIDE. THE TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE PROGRAM OR, TAPPED IS A TWO DAY SESSION WITH PROGRAM RINGS TOGETHER CROCS SECTION --CROSS-SECTION OF EXPERTS WHO DO NOT HAVE A VESTED INTEREST IN THE PROJECT TO EXAMINE THE ISSUES FROM THE MULTIPLE ANGLES AND PRODUCE RECOMMENDATIONS AND IMPLEMENTATION STRATEGIES. FOR THIS STUDY WE STUDIED THE GATEWAY TO CLAY CORRIDOR OF CLAY COUNTY. WE ENGAGED THE ULI IN NORTH FLORIDA FOR THE STUDY AREA OF WELLS ROAD CORRIDOR FROM BLANDING BOULEVARD TO U.S. HIGHWAY 17. THE TAPS WAS ASKED TO RECOMMEND THE FOLLOWING. NUMBER ONE, A LONG-TERM VISION AND DEVELOPMENT PROGRAM FOR THE TUDY AREA THAT WOULD PROMOTE ECONOMIC GROWTH FOR BOTH COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL, REVITALIZATION, SOUND DEVELOPMENT PRACTICES, AND LIVABILITY TO EAT, WORK AND PLAY. NUMBER TWO, HIGHEST AND BEST USES FOR THE STUDY AREA INCLUDING IDENTIFYING A RANGE OF USES THAT WOULD BE COMPATIBLE WITH EXISTING , [00:20:02] COMMITTED AND PLANT USES AND PUBLIC FACILITIES WITHIN THE WELLS ROAD AREA OF THE DESTINATION DISTRICT WITH THE COORDINATION OF THE ORANGE PARK MALL. STRATEGIES FOR PUBLIC FACILITIES TO PROMOTE MOBILITY TO, FROM AND WITHIN THE STUDY AREA, AS WELL AS ANY RESULTING ADJUSTMENTS TO CURRENT LAND USE, TRANSPORTATION, TOPIC PATTERNS, SMART STRICT TECHNOLOGY, AND RECREATIONAL AND OPEN SPACE PLANS. >> THE FOLLOWING RECOMMENDATIONS ARE OVERARCHING RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE STUDY. FIRST , LEVERAGE AND ENHANCE THE EXISTING DESTINATIONS. TWO , INCREASE STAKEHOLDER ENGAGEMENT AND AGENCY COORDINATION. THREE, DEVELOP CONTEXT-SENSITIVE SOLUTIONS THAT TAKE A HOLISTIC APPROACH TO REVITALIZATION. FOUR , DEVELOP CONSISTENT DESIGN STANDARDS. FIVE, EXPLORE FUNDING MECHANISMS AND PARTNERSHIPS. SIX, GREAT A SAFER ROADWAY TO ENHANCE PEDESTRIAN AND BICYCLE MOBILITY. SEVEN, DEVELOP PROACTIVE COMMUNICATIONS AND MARKETING PLAN. AND FINALLY, CONSIDER BURYING UTILITIES AND CONNECTING ARGYLE FOREST TO WELLS ROAD. >> AS WE DIVE DEEPER , THE STUDY AREA THEY BROKE INTO THREE SECTIONS INCLUDED THE SECTION OF RIVER ROAD TO U.S. 17. THE THREE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THIS SPECIFIC AREA INCLUDED SUPPORT HIGHEST AND BEST USES FOR BEST BET REDEVELOPMENT . TWO, CREATE A RECREATIONAL AREA /PARK ON RIVER ROAD. AND A THREE, U.S. 17 TO THE CSX RAILROAD TRACKS. FOR THE SECOND PORTION, THIS INCLUDED THE CSX RAILROAD TRACKS TO ORANGE PARK MALL OR BLANDING BOULEVARD. THE THREE RECOMMENDATIONS INCLUDED , REDEVELOPING ORANGE PARK MALL AS MIXED-USE . TWO, EXPLORE FUTURE TENANT OPPORTUNITIES WITH UNDERREPRESENTED PRODUCT/SERVICE TYPES . AND, EXPLORE CREATING A PARK ON WELLS ROAD, WHICH WOULD BE THE EAST END. THE THIRD SECTION INCLUDED LANDING BOULEVARD TO HILLTOP RESTAURANT. THIS INCLUDED ESTABLISHING A PARK AT THE END OF WELLS ROAD TO THE WEST END. ADD SIDEWALKS ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE STREET. BEAUTIFY THE STREET BY ADDING LANDSCAPING ON EITHER SIDE OF THE ROAD AND REPLACING MISSING LANDSCAPING AND TREES IN THE MEDIAN. ALSO, REFRESH THE STRIP MALLS TO IMPROVE AESTHETICS . FINALLY, CONDUCT A FEASIBILITY STUDY FOR CONNECTING WELLS ROAD TO ARGYLE FOREST BOULEVARD. >> THE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR NEXT STEPS INCLUDED THE FOLLOWING SIX . FIRST, ENSURE GATEWAY TO PLAY COMMITTEE INCLUDING ALL WELLS ROAD STAKEHOLDERS. TWO , CONDUCT A COMPLETE STREET STUDY. THAT INCLUDES UNDERGROUND UTILITIES. THREE, REPAIR OR ADD SIDEWALKS AND CROSSWALKS. FOUR , DEVELOP A STAKEHOLDER MANAGEMENT PLAN. FIVE, CREATE A MERCHANT ASSOCIATION. AND, SIX DEVELOP A PROJECT COST PERFORMANCE SCHEDULE. THAT CONCLUDES THE PRESENTATION. ANY QUESTIONS? >> WHAT IS COMPLETE STREETS? >> COMPLETE STREETS IS THE GRANT THAT WE USED FOR THE SMART NORTH FLORIDA , THAT STUDY ON HIGH SCHOOL DRIVING. IT WOULD LOOK AT THE UNDERGROUND UTILITIES. >> DID THEY JUST MAKE THE STATEMENT LIKE, AS IN WE SHOULD CONDUCT THE STUDY AND WE HAVE ALREADY DONE IT QUICK >> WE HAVE HAD A PORTION, BUT THE SIDEWALKS ARE NOT INCLUDED IN THAT SPECIFIC STUDY. >> DO WE HAVE ANY OF THIS CURRENTLY IN OUR BUDGET? >> FOR NUMBER FIVE, GREAT AN EMERGENCY ASSOCIATION , THAT IS NOT SOMETHING WE HAVE IN OUR BUDGET. NUMBER ONE DOES NOT INCLUDE A FINANCIAL COMMITMENT TO THAT. THREE , FOUR , AND SIX ARE NOT PART OF THE BUDGET. >> ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. AS WE SIT HERE AND LOOK AT THIS , OBVIOUSLY WE CAN PICK SOME OF THE LOW HANGING FRUIT. WHETHER IT IS REPAIRING OR ADDING SIDEWALKS OR CROSSWALKS, THAT [00:25:03] IS DOABLE. I THINK THERE WAS SOMETHING ABOUT REPLACING TREES IN MEDIANS AND THAT IS CERTAINLY SOMETHING DOABLE. I ALSO THINK IT IS IMPORTANT TO GET BUY-IN FROM HUNDRED AND 57 BUSINESSES ALONG THAT ROAD. IN SOME FASHION WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE TOTAL MIGHT BE TO DO THOSE EASY THINGS TO START IS GOING DOWN THE RIGHT PATH, SO TO SPEAK AND THEN, FIGURE OUT WHERE THE MONEY COMES FROM , IF WE HAVE EXTRA MONEY TUCKED AWAY THIS YEAR THAT WE CAN USE OR PLAN FOR OCTOBER 1ST AND AFTERWARDS. THIS IS THE FIRST STAB AT IT. IT HIGHLIGHTS SPECIFICALLY , THE MALL AND IT IS PRIVATE OWNERSHIP. WE HAVE TO SEE WHAT THEY HAVE TO DO THERE. I THINK IT STRUCK THE PANEL HOW IMPORTANT IT ALL IS BECAUSE OF THE TAXES IT GENERATES AND BECAUSE OF THE EMPLOYMENT IT OFFERS. IF YOU COMBINE ALL THE PEOPLE THAT WORK AT THE MALL , IT IS ONE OF THE TOP EMPLOYERS IN THE COUNTY AND CERTAINLY, TAX -WISE IT IS ONE OF, IF NOT THE LARGEST TAX SOURCE. IT IS IMPORTANT FOR US TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE CAN SEE THIS MOVING FORWARD. >> WE HAVE JOHN CONTROL OF THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE TO GIVE A QUICK BRIEF. >> WE HAVE BEEN WORKING SAFE STREETS AND WHAT WE CAN HEAR . WE PUT UP A DESTINATION SIGN ON WELLS ROAD AND WE STRIPED THE HIGHWAY . WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND WORKING WITH TWO JURISDICTIONS. IT IS NOT JUST CLAY COUNTY, BUT ALSO ORANGE PARK . 20% OF IT IS IN ORANGE PARK EAST OF THE RAILROAD TRACKS. THEY PUT UP NEW TREES ON THAT SIDE, AS WELL. THE SUN CAME UP THIS MORNING AND IT IS PRIVATE PROPERTY AND JUST TO NAME A FEW, THERE ARE PHYSICIANS THAT CAME THERE SINCE WE STARTED THIS EFFORT AND THERE IS A NEW HOTEL AND A NEW BOAT AND MOTORCYCLE BUSINESS, LINCOLN UNIVERSITY MOVED ON WELLS ROAD. WE ARE WORKING WITH THE MALL. IT IS THE KING POST AT THE WEST AND WITH RANDY BOWMAN AT THE MALL. ALSO, ON THE EAST END WE HAVE JAMIE SHELTON WHO OWNED BEST BET AND WE HAVE BEEN IN COMMUNICATION WITH HIM FOR YEARS . THE PROJECT THERE IS GOING TO BE A REDEVELOPMENT AT BEST BET AND IT IS JUST A MATTER OF TIMING. IT IS GOING TO BE REDEVELOPED. JOHN, CAN YOU COME UP AND TALK ABOUT THIS IMPORTANT STEP IN THE GATEWAY TO KLAY PROJECT WHICH IS TO CREATE A MERCHANT ASSOCIATION. >> THANK YOU, MY NAME IS JOHN CANTRELL AND I AM THE PRESIDENT OF THE CLAY COUNTY CHAMBER OF COMMERCE. WHEN JAMIE TALKS, PEOPLE LISTEN. SO, JAMIE I SAT ON SOME OF THESE MEETINGS THAT WERE HELD EARLIER AND WHEN THEY TALKED ABOUT A MERCHANT ASSOCIATION IN CLAY COUNTY THAT IS THE CLAY COUNTY CHAMBER OF COMMERCE. WE ARE THE ONES THAT WORK WITH THE DIFFERENT BUSINESSES TO COME TOGETHER IN THAT EFFORT. WE HAVE PUT TOGETHER --AND WE ARE GOING TO CALL IT THE WELLS ROAD ONNECTION. IT WILL FORM AS ONE OF OUR NEW CHARTER ORGANIZATIONS. WE WILL PROBABLY DO IT SIX TIMES A YEAR, ALMOST LIKE A NETWORKING EVENT. WE HAVE A LUNCH AND LEARN AND SEVERAL OTHERS. WE WILL CALL IT THE WELLS ROAD CONNECTIONS. IT LOOKS LIKE IT WILL BE EVERY OTHER MONTH. THE PURPOSE IS TO UNITE WELLS ROAD BUSINESSES, PROPERTY OWNERS, WHICH ARE KEY TO THIS INITIATIVE, AS WELL AS THE BUSINESSES , THE FAMILIES IN OUR COMMUNITY AND EMPLOYEES. THE THREE LOCATIONS WE HAVE IDENTIFIED ARE THE MARRIOTT ON WELLS ROAD , WHICH IS ON THE EAST SIDE TOWARDS THE RAILROAD TRACKS. THE BAKERY WHICH IS IN THE CENTER OF THE DIAGRAM ON WELLS AND THE ORANGE PARK MALL. I MET WITH RANDY TODAY AND RANDY BOWMAN AT THE ORANGE PARK MALL HAS ABOUT 144 BUSINESSES. OUR ARRANGEMENT WITH THE CHAMBER WITH THE MALL IS ALL 144 BUSINESSES ARE MEMBERS OF THE CHAMBER. THEY ARE ONE OF THE TOP MALLS IN THE UNITED STATES RIGHT NOW FOR REVENUE AND OF COURSE FOR TAXES INTO CLAY COUNTY. WE HAD ABOUT 14 MEMBERS THAT ARE NOT IN THE MALL AND ARE SPACED THROUGHOUT WELLS ROAD. WE ARE BASICALLY, STARTING ON THE 19TH OF FEBRUARY AND OUR AMBASSADORS [00:30:03] GROUP WILL GO ON A WALKABOUT. WE ARE DOING IT ON THE 19TH OF FEBRUARY THROUGHOUT WELLS ROAD HANGING OUT --HANDING OUT FLYERS AND INVITING PEOPLE TO OUR FIRST MEETING EVERY 20 NIGHTS AT THE MARRIOTT ON WELLS. THE PURPOSE OF THIS IS A NETWORKING MEETING TO HELP BUSINESSES GROW AND IMPROVE THEIR BOTTOM LINES AND THE REVENUE AND TO SHARE IDEAS WITH EACH OTHER, AS WELL AS BRING IN SOME OF THESE PLAZA OWNERS. I AM SURE JB'S WILL COME. IT WILL BE IN SALON A AT THE MARRIOTT AND IT WILL BE A CHANCE TO HELP EACH OTHER GROW AND MEET THE PURPOSE OF THIS . >> DO HAVE A SPONSOR FOR THE 29TH QUICK >> I THINK OURS IS GOING TO DO THAT. >> WE DON'T HAVE THAT EXTRA MONEY. >> WE WILL FIND SOMEBODY. TERRY MIGHT HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY ABOUT THAT. ANYMORE QUESTIONS? >> THIS IS A GREAT EFFORT. A LOT -- PROGRESS IS SLOW. THE GOVERNMENT IS SLOW, BUT TODAY PHIL MURPHY AT THE ROTARY CAME UP TO ME AND COMPLEMENTED THE COUNTY ON WHAT WE HAVE DONE SO FAR. THAT IS A BIG DEAL. HE IS A GREAT SUPPORTER OF CLAY COUNTY AND ORANGE PARK AND HE IS A GREAT SUPPORTER OF EVERYTHING. ANYWAY, WE ARE MAKING PROGRESS AND THAT IS WHAT THE GAME IS ALL ABOUT. THANK YOU. >> ARE THERE NO OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE RECOGNIZE THE CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICERS. I SEE THE UNDERSHERIFF. OH, HE LEFT. HE WAS HERE. RICKY RIGHT IS HERE. SO, THANK YOU FOR COMING [APPROVAL OF MINUTES] TONIGHT. I DON'T SEE ANY OTHER CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICERS THAT ARE HERE. OKAY. APPROVAL OF MINUTES. >> I WOULD MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE WITH ONE ADDITION , WHICH KRISTI HAS ALREADY PUT INTO THE RECORD AND SENT FOR POSTING OR EMAILED OUT, OR WHATEVER. AT THE END, RIGHT BEFORE THE TIME SURGEONS, THE LAST PARAGRAPH , WE NEEDED THE WORDS , COMMISSIONER CELLA AND COMMISSIONER COMPERE IN OPPOSITION. WHEN WE VOTED ON RECYCLING IT LISTED YOUR NAMES BUT IT DIDN'T SAY THE WORDS, IN OPPOSITION. MY MOTION IS TO APPROVE IT WITH THAT ADDITION OF THOSE WORDS. >> I HAVE A SECOND. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. ANY POST, SAY NAY . [PUBLIC COMMENTS] IT PASSES. >> THE NEXT ITEM'S PUBLIC COMMENTS AND I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD. THE FIRST CARD I HAVE IS RICHARD. THERE YOU GO. >> GOOD AFTERNOON . IT IS GOOD TO BE BACK. I JUST WANT TO ADDRESS THE RECYCLING PROBLEM . I STARTED TO TRY TO ADAPT THESE NEW REGULATIONS THAT WE MAY BE HEADED FOR. I WAS HEART WARMED TO FIND THIS MAY NOT BE WRITTEN IN STONE YET. WHEN WE ARE DEALING WITH A COMPANY THAT TELLS YOU FLAT OUT , WHEN IN DOUBT, THROW IT OUT, THIS IS THE ANTITHESIS OF WHAT A RECYCLING PROGRAM SHOULD BE ABOUT. SO, HOPEFULLY , WE CAN FIND SOMEBODY BETTER TO DEAL WITH THAN WHOEVER SAID THIS. THIS IS SOMETHING YOU USE WHEN YOU ARE LOOKING AT RECYCLING. THERE ARE A FEW OTHER TRIGGERS IN THIS WHOLE PROGRAM THAT SET ME OFF AND ANYBODY ELSE WHO CARES ABOUT RECYCLING. THAT WAS THE FACT THAT THEY ONLY WANT HIGH VALUE ITEMS TO BE RECYCLED. I HAVE TO WONDER , THESE ARE ALUMINUM CANS . IF THAT IS HIGH-VALUE, WE ARE IN A LOT OF TROUBLE IN THIS COUNTRY. THERE IS SO MUCH OTHER PAPER THAT CAN BE RECYCLED. THE ONE THING THEY DID GET RIGHT WHEN THEY WERE MAKING EXCUSES FOR ONLY TAKING CARDBOARD WAS IN THE CORRUGATED SECTION OF A CARDBOARD BOX. THOSE ARE THE FIBERS THAT ARE SO SMALL THEY CAN'T BE USED FOR ANYTHING ELSE BUT THE CORRUGATED MIDDLE OF THE CARDBOARD BOX. [00:35:02] THE TOP LINE OR BOTTOM LINE CAN BE USED OVER AND OVER AGAIN. THE SAME THING GOES FOR ANY OTHER PAPER PRODUCTS. YOU CAN USE THEM MANY, MANY, MANY TIMES UNTIL THEY TOO , OH NO LONGER GOOD FOR ANYTHING BUT BEING MADE INTO CORRUGATED MATERIAL IN A CARDBOARD BOX. THE FINAL THING IS , I ALSO TOOK A LITTLE SURVEY AROUND MY NEIGHBORHOOD AND I COUNTED HOW MANY HOUSES WE HAD AND HOW MANY BLUE BINS ARE OUTSIDE. SADLY , I CAME UP WITH 20% . SOME OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS MAY BE HIGHER AND SOME MAY BE LOWER THAN WHERE I AM. I FIND THAT SHAMEFUL . CAN WE GET A PROGRAM ? I AM NO GOOD AT CONVINCING PEOPLE TO DO ANYTHING. YOU CAN GO BY HOW MANY YEARS I HAVE BEEN COMING HERE AND HOW NOTHING HAS CHANGED FROM ANYTHING I HAVE SAID, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A PROGRAM TO TRY TO GET MORE PEOPLE TO TAKE PART IN THIS. THANK YOU FOR OUR TIME. >> THANK YOU. CAROL NEWBERG? NEWBERN. I WANT TO THANK THE COMMISSIONERS. I SAW ONLINE TODAY ABOUT THE IMPACT CLAY TRAIN AND HOW NEAT AN IDEA THAT WAS. I KNOW COMMISSIONER CELLA WAS PART OF IT. FROM WATCHING THESE MEETINGS I SEE HOW MUCH YOU ALL CARE FOR YOUR PEOPLE. I JUST WANTED TO SAY, THANK YOU FOR LEADING OPPORTUNITIES LIKE THAT. >> THANK YOU. THOSE ARE THE ONLY TWO CARDS I HAVE FOR THE GENERAL COMMENT. DO YOU HAVE ANOTHER ONE? OKAY. I SEE IT. OKAY. >> HOW IS IT GOING, BOARD? I WANT TO COME UP HERE AND URGE YOU TO LISTEN TO THE RESIDENTS WITH THEIR CONCERNS BEFORE VOTING ON THE CONTINUATION OF ITEM 13. THE REZONING OF 1679 HAS ALREADY HAD A CONTINUATION ON THE FIFTH OF DECEMBER FOR THE BOARD VOTED 6-1 TO DENY THIS REZONING. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE YOU AWARE OF THAT. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. ANY OTHER REQUESTS TO SPEAK TO THIS PUBLIC COMMENT? SEEING NONE OR HEARING NONE, WE WILL CLOSE [CONSENT AGENDA] THE PUBLIC COMMENT. WE WILL MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ITEM WHICH IS THE CONSENT AGENDA. >> YES AND BEFORE ANYONE MAKES A MOTION WE WOULD REQUEST THAT ITEMS NUMBER THREE WILL COME BACK . THE DEVELOPER NEEDED TO FINALIZE A COUPLE OF ITEMS ON THAT. FOR ITEM NUMBER SEVEN , JUST TO NOTE FOR THE MINUTES THAT THE DOCUMENT PROVIDED AS A BACKUP , THE CHEMOURS WANTED TO PROVIDE NOTICE THAT A DIFFERENT PERSON WILL RECEIVE THAT AND WE WILL MAKE THAT CHANGE. THOSE OF THE ITEMS WE HAVE. >> NUMBER THREE IS A CALL FOR CONTINUANCE. NUMBER SEVEN IS STILL ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. THE CHANGE OF ITEM NUMBER SEVEN AND THE TABLING OF ITEM NUMBER THREE. >> SECOND. >> I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA . ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS OR CONCERNS? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY, AYE. ALL THOSE NOT, SAY NAY . THAT IS 5-0. >> DO THE CHEMOURS WANT TO BRIEF US ON ANYTHING? OKAY. ALL RIGHT. [9.  Use of ECCs for County Wide Recycling] >> WE ARE AT OLD BUSINESS. ECCS. [00:40:02] >> GOOD EVENING. I WANTED TO BRING BACK SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION FOLLOWING THE LAST BOARD MEETING FOR WE DISCUSSED THE COLLECTION AND SERVICE OPTIONS FOR CURBSIDE COLLECTIONS CONTRACT. WITH THAT , THE FINAL DECISION WAS ONE THAT WOULD IMPACT ALSO OUR DROP OFF PROGRAM. AFTER THAT MEETING WE WENT BACK AND DID A COST ANALYSIS OF THE DROP OFF SITES AND I WANT TO BRING THAT INFORMATION BACK TO YOU. THIS IS A QUICK BACKGROUND. I AM NOT SURE , BUT PROBABLY IN THE 70S AND CERTAINLY BY THE '80S THEY PROVIDED ADDITIONAL DISPOSAL DROP OFF FACILITIES, OTHER THAN JUST ROSEMARY HILL LANE, WHICH WAS AN ACTIVE LANDFILL AREA. RECYCLING WAS ADDED TO THE SITE FOR CURBSIDE COLLECTION PROGRAM IN THE '90S AND PRIOR TO THE UNIVERSAL COLLECTION PROGRAM, WHICH WAS ADOPTED IN 2006. THEY HOLD THEIR TRASH TO A DROP OFF SITE OR THEY COULD SUBSCRIBE FOR CURBSIDE SERVICE , THROUGH ONE OF SEVERAL FRENCH AS SERVICE CONTRACTORS. THAT WAS AN AGREEMENT DIRECTLY BETWEEN THE CUSTOMER AND THE HAULING COMPANY. WHEN CURBSIDE COLLECTION WAS ADOPTED THAT WOULD MEAN THE COLLECTION CENTERS WOULD BE CLOSE FOR SOLID WASTE. THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN BECAUSE THERE WAS A CHANGE IN DIRECTION AND ONLY THE LEAST UTILIZED SITE ENDED UP BEING CLOSE LEAVING US WHERE WE ARE TODAY. ARE CURBSIDE COLLECTION CONTRACT EXPIRES SEPTEMBER 30TH OF THIS YEAR. WE DID BID FOR THAT SERVICE AND WE AWARDED THE BID. AS I SAID THAT WAS DONE AT A MEETING ON JANUARY 9TH WHERE WE DECIDED ON OPTION FOUR , THE SIX SERVICE OPTIONS THAT WERE BROUGHT FORWARD IN THAT MEETING FOR CURBSIDE RECYCLING . IN BOTH OPTION FOUR AND OPTION TWO THEY WERE USING COLLECTION VEHICLES. WHEN WE ANALYZE THE IMPACT ON OUR DROP OFF PROGRAM WE BROUGHT FORWARD A COMPARISON OF OPTION NUMBER FOUR WITH EXPANDED DROP OFF SERVICES AS THE BOARD DIRECTED AT THE LAST MEETING. OPTION FOUR WITH EXPANDED DROP OFF RECYCLING AND OPTION TWO WAS THE CURBSIDE COLLECTION THAT INCLUDED RECYCLING SERVICES. UNLIKE LAST TIME WHEN WE WERE FOCUSED ON CURBSIDE , THERE ARE TWO SOLID WASTE ASSESSMENTS AND WE ARE FOCUSING TONIGHT MORE ON THE RATE AS A TOTAL . AND WHAT THE EFFECT IS FOR THE RESIDENTS BECAUSE THEY PAY FOR CURBSIDE COLLECTION AND IT INCLUDES THE OPERATION OF THE GARBAGE SITES. >> THIS CHART IS AN OVERVIEW OF THE ANALYSIS OF THE EXPANDED DROP OFF CYCLING --RECYCLING AND ARE CAPACITY TO HANDLE THE RECYCLING. WE WOULD NEED ADDITIONAL CONTAINERS FOR RECYCLING. WE WOULD NEED TO EXPAND OUR HOURS OF OPERATION , AS WE LEARNED WITH THE SUSPENSION OF RECYCLING, IT CREATED HAVOC AT OTHER SITES BECAUSE IT WAS VERY BUSY. NOW, WE WILL ONLY HAVE FIVE AND WE EXPECT TO BE ABLE TO HANDLE THAT IN OUR CURRENT OPERATING SCHEDULE. IN ORDER TO DO THIS WE ESTIMATE IT TO BE AT ALMOST AND ADDITIONAL $2 MILLION COST , BRINGING THE TOTAL PROGRAM TO 2.5 MILLION IN COSTS COMPARED TO AROUND 600,000 LAST [00:45:07] YEAR. WHAT DOES THIS MEAN FOR THE RATE TO THE RESIDENTS? OUR CURRENT RATE COMBINED TO RESIDENTS THIS YEAR PAID $24 FOR THE SERVICES. THE DROP OFF RECYCLING WOULD INCREASE --LET ME BACK UP. I WANT TO POINT OUT THAT REGARDLESS OF WHICH OPTION AND WHICH DIRECTION WE GO, BASED UPON THE BID PRICES AND WE DID CHOOSE THE LOWEST OF THE BID PRICES FOR THE CURBSIDE SERVICE , OUR RATES ARE GOING UP FOR CURBSIDE. WE CAN'T GET AWAY FROM THAT. WHAT WE ARE COMPARING THEN , IS HOW MUCH THAT GOES UP AND WHAT IS THE EFFECT OF THE DISPOSAL ASSESSMENT? SO, IF WE WERE TO PROVIDE COUNTYWIDE DROP OFF ON FIVE SITES THAT WILL INCREASE THE DISPOSAL ASSESSMENT BY $35 AND THUS, KEEP THE COLLECTION AT THE LOWER OF THE OPTIONS. THE TOTAL DOES INCREASE TO $393. THAT IS COMPARED TO IF WE DID KNOW CURBSIDE RECYCLING AND ONLY HAD DROP OFF RECYCLING, THE TOTAL IS $30. IF WE ADD CURBSIDE RECYCLING , THAT IS WHERE WE WOULD PROVIDE THE MOST CONVENIENCE AND HAVE THE MOST TONS OF MATERIALS TO BE COLLECT DID . WE WOULD SEE A TOTAL COST $33 HIGHER THAN THE DROP OFF SCENARIO . SO, $66 HIGHER. AGAIN, AS I SAID LAST TIME , THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS THAT WE GO FORWARD WITH THE CURBSIDE COLLECTION CONTRACT TO INCLUDE CURBSIDE RECYCLING AS A PART OF THAT. IF THE BOARD DOES NOT WANT TO DO THAT , WE THINK IT WOULD BE WISEST TO NOT OFFER RECYCLING BECAUSE THE COST OF RECYCLING IS A SMALL AMOUNT COMPARED TO THE CURBSIDE RECYCLING. I CALCULATE IT WILL COST MUCH MORE TO PICK IT UP TO THE RECYCLING PROGRAM. I THINK THAT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE. THAT IS MY PRESENTATION. >> $3000 PER TON? >> BECAUSE OF THE REDUCTION -- >> -- DOES THAT EQUATE TO THE $80? >> THIS IS FOR THE COLLECTION, NOT THE PROCESS. WE ESTIMATE WE COLLECT ABOUT 840 TONS , WHICH IS ABOUT 30% OF WHAT WE GET CURBSIDE . THOSE COSTS WHICH ARE IN THE DROP OFF PROGRAM TO COLLECT THE 840 TONS. YES, $3000 PER TON. >> IS THAT IN THE NUMBERS? >> NO, IT IS NOT WRITTEN DOWN BUT IT IS REFLECTED IN THE NUMBERS ON THE PREVIOUS SLIDE. WE ARE EXPECTING TO RECEIVE ABOUT 840 TONS AND THAT IS NUMBER ONE . >> YES, I TOOK THE ADDITIONAL COST TO PROVIDE THE RECYCLING OF THAT 840 TONS AND IS REFLECTED IN THAT NUMBER. THE DIFFERENCES , WHEN WE WENT TO DROP OFF RECYCLING DURING THE SUSPENSION OF RECYCLING DURING THE COVID WITH STAFFING ISSUES ARE HOLLER HAD, OUR TONNAGE DECREASED BY 56% AND THAT WAS WITH 12 DROP OFF SITES. WE ESTIMATE IT WILL REDUCE FURTHER BASED UPON THE LACK OF FACILITIES IN SOME AREAS OF THE COUNTY WHERE THOSE FOLKS PROBABLY AREN'T GOING TO USE [00:50:04] THOSE DROP OFF SITES . SO, WE ESTIMATED A 70% REDUCTION IN TONS COLLECTED . SO, THAT 30% REMAINING IS REFLECTING THE 840 TONS. >> THE PROBLEM IS THAT WE DON'T HAVE A GUARANTEE THAT OUR PEOPLE ARE GOING TO GET IT UNDER CONTROL ON HOW TO RECYCLE. I HAVE SEEN A POST THAT THEY WANT TO RECYCLE BUT , WE HAVE NO GUARANTEE. IT SOUNDS GREAT FOR OUR PEOPLE TO RECYCLE THE WAY WE ARE SUPPOSED TO, BUT IF WE DON'T THAT 840 TONS ISN'T EVEN ACCURATE BECAUSE WE AREN'T GOING TO HAVE AS MUCH RECYCLING , GOOD RECYCLING EVEN STILL IF WE DO THE CURBSIDE. YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? YES, WE MIGHT HAVE MORE PEOPLE RECYCLING, BUT IF THEY DON'T RECYCLE THE CORRECT WAY THEN, WE ARE STILL BACK IN A BIND. >> THROUGH THE CHAIR, COMMISSIONER , THESE NUMBERS DO ANTICIPATE US HAVING BEEN SUCCESSFUL WITH OUR FURTHER EDUCATION PROGRAM TO GET OUR RECYCLE RATE BELOW 10% . THERE ARE NOT ANY PROCESSING FEES INCLUDED IN ANY OF THESE CALCULATIONS. >> YOU ARE ANTICIPATING THAT, BUT WE DON'T KNOW FOR SURE. >> CORRECT. IF WE DON'T GET IT, WE CONTINUE TO PAY PROCESSING FEES AND THAT WOULD DROP ALL OF THE NUMBERS. THE DISPOSAL LINE WOULD GO UP. >> OKAY. THAT IS GOOD FOR THAT. AND , MY OTHER MAIN CONCERN THAT I SPOKE ABOUT YESTERDAY IS THAT , IF WE DON'T RECYCLE IT THE CORRECT WAY THEN, THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO CHARGE US WHATEVER AND GO UP ON THE FEES, BUT WE ARE LOCKED INTO A 10 YEAR CONTRACT WITH IT AND WE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO OPT OUT AT THAT POINT, CORRECT? WE ARE STUCK WITH IT FOR 10 YEARS AND THEY CAN CHARGE WHATEVER THEY WANT? >> LET ME BREAK IT DOWN. THE COLLECTION CONTACT IS A 10 YEAR AGREEMENT. THEY DON'T CONTROL ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE PROCESS OF RECYCLING. THEIR PRICE IS LOCKED IN WITH ANNUAL COSTS. >> I UNDERSTAND THAT. >> SO, THE COLLECTION SIDE WE CAN ANTICIPATE WITH THOSE COSTS WILL BE. THE PROCESSING SIDE IS WHERE WE WILL TRY TO ELIMINATE THE PROCESSING COST. THOSE WE DON'T HAVE A CRYSTAL BALL ON AND THEY CAN PROVE TO BE PRETTY VOLATILE. >> ARE WE STUCK WITH THOSE? >> CURRENTLY , WE HAVE TWO PROCESSORS AND THEY PRICE AGAINST EACH OTHER , BUT THEY ARE PRETTY CLOSE I PRICE. >> SO, HOW LONG WOULD WE BE STUCK WITH IT? >> IF WE ARE COLLECTING IT FOR 10 YEARS WE HAVE TO HAVE AN OUTLET . >> THAT IS A BIG CONCERN FOR ME. THEY CAN DO WHATEVER THEY WANT. OUR PEOPLE JUST HAVE TO TOUGH IT OUT AND PAY WHATEVER THEY WANT. THAT IS A BIG CONCERN FOR ME. I WILL SAY HOWEVER , I DO FEEL LIKE THE PEOPLE SHOULD HAVE A WAY TO RECYCLE. THAT IS WHY I STILL BELIEVE DROP OFF RECYCLING IS THE WAY TO GO. I DON'T LIKE HAVING TO COME UP WITH THE EQUIPMENT AND THE STAFF COSTS AND ALL OF THAT, BUT IT STILL DOES COME OUT TO LESS AND WE STILL WOULD HAVE A WAY TO RECYCLE IF WE WANT TO RECYCLE AND HAVE LESS GOING INTO THE LANDFILLS . THAT IS MY THINKING RIGHT THIS SECOND. >> WE HAVE TWO PROCESSORS? >> BECAUSE OF OUR LOCATION , WE HAVE TWO PROCESSORS WHO GENERALLY BID ON OUR MINGLE . THEY ARE GENERALLY SIX MONTH [00:55:04] BIDS. WE ENTERED INTO ONE THAT THE BOARD APPROVED IN DECEMBER AND IT WILL CARRY US THROUGH DECEMBER. THEY WORKED WITH US ON THIS EDUCATION CAMPAIGN . ON OUR PAPER PRODUCTS THERE ARE TWO OR THREE, ACTUALLY . >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? >> FOR CLARITY, ON THIS CHART , I UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE IN OPTION FOUR OF THE DISPOSAL COSTS OF 131. I DON'T UNDERSTAND OPTION FOUR , NO RECYCLING GOING TO 98 OR 96 . WE ARE CURRENTLY AT OPTION 96. ARE WE GOING TO CHARGE THEM $2.00 MORE QUICK >> THAT IS FOR THE MATERIAL CURRENTLY DEFERRED THROUGH RECYCLING AND NOT BEING IN A LANDFILL. >> I THINK THAT IS NOT POLITE. I THINK THAT IS PUTTING THAT ON OUR RESIDENTS. THEY ARE READY TAKING IT ON THE CHIN , IN SOME CASES BY $100 AND WE ARE GOING TO PUT ANOTHER $2.00 ON THE PROPERTY TAX BILLS FOR WHAT WE THINK IS GOING TO HAPPEN? WE ONLY HAVE 30% OF THE COUNTY RECYCLING, TODAY. IF WE DO ALL OF THAT 30% AND WE PUT IT INTO THE LANDFILL WE WILL SAY IT IS GOING TO GO UP BY 79,000 HOMES AND WE WILL ADD $2.00 PER HOME? I JUST QUESTION THOSE CALCULATIONS. I AM NOT TRYING TO BE ARGUMENTATIVE OR DIFFICULT, THAT TO ME JUST SEEMS LIKE WE ARE NIGGLING IN DIMING THE TAXPAYERS. I DON'T WANT TO BE A PART OF THAT. >> THANK YOU. MILTON , WE ARE CURRENTLY PAYING HOW MUCH IN TERMS OF TONNAGE FOR RECYCLING RIGHT NOW QUICK >> CO-MINGLED , CURBSIDE IS AROUND 2700 TONS . SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 3500 . >> SO, YOU SAID THAT DURING THE PANDEMIC WE RAN INTO PROBLEMS WITH PEOPLE PICKING UP RECYCLING AND WE RESCINDED RECYCLING AND HAD 12 DROP OFF POINTS. IN EFFECT, WE HAVE LOST MORE THAN 50% OF THE RECYCLING, RIGHT QUICK >> YES. >> SO, THAT IS WHERE YOU COME UP WITH 840 TONS QUICK >> YES . THAT IS ESTIMATING A 70% REDUCTION. >> YOU ARE ASSUMING WE WILL GO BACK TO THE LOWER LEVEL BECAUSE OF THE INCONVENIENCE OF HAVING TO BRING THE RECYCLING TO THE DROP OFF SITE CLOSEST TO THEM. SO , THAT IS WHAT WE ARE LOOKING AT, IN TERMS OF DROP OFF. THAT IS ESSENTIALLY WHAT WE ARE PAYING FOR. THAT NUMBER OF 30% OR 40% COLLECTION RATE AS WE HAVE NOW IS GOING TO BE 10%-15% AFTER THE FACT AND MY CONTENTION IS IT WILL BE LOWER THAN THAT BECAUSE I CAN GUARANTEE YOU FOLKS IN MY DISTRICT, THE CLOSEST PLACE THEY WILL HAVE IS SLEEPY HOLLOW , WHICH IS NOT THE MOST CONVENIENT PLACE AND ROSEMARY HILL , WHICH IS A PRETTY GOOD DRIVE TO DROP OFF YOUR SODA BOTTLES ONCE A WEEK OR ONCE EVERY COUPLE WEEKS. SO, THAT NUMBER WOULD GO DOWN BECAUSE I DON'T THINK AN AREA IN THE COUNTY IS MORE PASSIONATE ABOUT THE RECYCLING THEN THEY ARE THERE. WE DON'T HAVE MEASURES ON THAT. BUT CERTAINLY, DURING THE PANDEMIC WHEN WE HAD FOUR DUMPSTERS OUTSIDE THE LIBRARY AND TRUCKS WERE COMING TWO , THREE , FOUR TIMES A WEEK TO EMPTY THAT, IS THAT THE WAY WE WANT IT TO GO? AS MUCH AS I WOULD LOVE TO SEE CURBSIDE RECYCLING, IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THAT WILL HAPPEN. I PERCEIVE THE NUMBER OF PHONE CALLS, EMAILS OR EVEN JUST IN PERSON OF PEOPLE TELLING ME THEY WOULD RATHER HAVE THAT . MY CONTENTION IS, HOW MUCH DO WE WANT TO PAY WHEN WE GET DOWN TO 10% RECYCLING OR POSSIBLY, EVEN LESS ? WE DON'T KNOW WHETHER THAT WILL BE GOOD OR NOT OR WHETHER IT IS WORTH [01:00:03] PAYING THAT ADDITIONAL PRICE . CERTAINLY , THIS DISCUSSION IS BEING HAD IN COUNTIES OR TOWN COUNCILS OR CITY COUNCILS ALL OVER THE STATE OF FLORIDA AND YOU SEE COUNTIES GIVE UP RECYCLING AND THAT IS THE REASON WHY. BECAUSE YOU ARE BETWEEN A ROCK AND HARD PLACE IN TERMS OF COST. SO, THAT IS THE DECISION THIS BOARD HAS TO DETERMINE, WHETHER WE GO WITH OPTION FOUR FOUR DROP OFF RECYCLING AT 393 OR GO WITH NO RECYCLING . IN TERMS OF THE WAY THE BOARD VOTED LAST TIME, I WOULD HAVE TO LOOK HARD AND LONG TO SEE ME PAYING MUCH MORE FOR DROP OFF RECYCLING AND NO RECYCLING. MY CONTENTION IS IT WILL BE BACK TO NO RECYCLING AS IT IS. >> I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING COMMISSIONER CELLA SAID BECAUSE THERE IS NOT ONE DROP OFF SITE IN MY DISTRICT. THERE ARE ONLY FIVE IN THE COUNTY AND WE ARE TALKING ABOUT 30% , MAYBE 10 OR 15% , AND NOT A SINGLE ONE OF THE FIVE ARE IN DISTRICT 2. I CAN TELL YOU THAT EVEN THOUGH MY DISTRICT IS PASSIONATE ABOUT GETTING OUT AND DOING WHAT IS BEST FOR THE ENVIRONMENT, THIS IS VERY DIFFICULT. THIS WILL BE VERY DIFFICULT IF WE MOVE FORWARD WITH OPTION FOUR. THEY HAVE SAID AS MUCH . >> HOW OFTEN WILL THEY BE COMING AROUND AT THIS NUMBER? >> IT WILL BE THE SAME TWO BEEN SYSTEM WE HAVE TODAY. >> SO, WE WOULD DO IT LESS PER MONTH? IS THERE ANYWAY TO DECIDE QUICK >> WE DIDN'T BID IT THAT WAY. THE BINS , GENERALLY THE SERVICE WOULD BE ONCE A WEEK DUE TO THE VOLUMES. OPTION ONE IN OUR BID PACKAGE DEALING WITH THE AUTOMATED RECYCLING THAT WOULD'VE BEEN EVERY OTHER WEEK WITH A CART, BUT IF WE DO SINGLE STREAM AUTOMATED RECYCLING THEN WE WILL NEED A PROCESSOR. THEY ARE NOT GOING TO GIVE US A PREFERENTIAL RATE. >> WOULD YOU SAY IT IS WORTH IT? >> YOU SAID THE CURRENT RATE THE PROCESSORS ARE CHARGING IS ABOUT $165. >> WE KNOW THAT IS NOT THE RIGHT ONE. >> THE OTHER PROCESSOR IS THE DUAL STREAM PROCESSOR SO THEY WOULD NO LONGER BE COMPETING FOR OUR SERVICE. >> IS IT WORTH IT TO BID TO FIND OUT IF IT IS LESS? PERSONALLY , I WOULD STILL BE DOING DROP OFF MYSELF AND I WOULD PROBABLY, GO ONCE A MONTH OR ONCE EVERY OTHER WEEK TO DROP OFF. PEOPLE HAVE ASKED IF THERE IS ANY WAY WE CAN COST IT THAT WAY? WHAT WOULD YOU THINK ABOUT THAT QUICK >> IF WE DID BINS EVERY OTHER WEEK OR ONCE A MONTH , THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING WE WOULD HAVE TO TALK TO THE CONTRACTOR AND NEGOTIATE A RATE FOR. I CAN'T TELL YOU WHAT THAT WOULD BE. THAT WASN'T ONE OF THE SIX OPTIONS IN OUR BID . EVERY OTHER COLLECTION ON BINS WAS NOT AN OPTION WE LOOK AT. ESSENTIALLY , IT WOULD BE LESS , BUT HOW MUCH LESS , I DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE TAKING A GUESS AT. >> THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING I WOULD ASK FOR BEFORE WE DECIDE TO DO AWAY WITH IT, TOTALLY. YOU WOULD KNOW MORE THAN I WOULD IF IT WOULD CAUGHT --CUT COSTS THAT MUCH. >> YOU WOULD SAVE SOME , BUT I THINK IT WOULD BE NEGLIGIBLE BECAUSE THEY ARE STILL GOING TO HAVE TO BUY NEARLY AS MANY TRUCKS. THAT COULD MAKE THE ROUTE BIGGER , BUT THEY CAN ONLY DRIVE PAST SO MANY HOMES IN A DAY, REGARDLESS. IT WOULD REDUCE THE TRUCKS MAYBE, SOME . MAYBE, ONE QUARTER. THAT WOULD BE BASED ON HOW MANY ROUTES [01:05:06] THEY RUN. >> I THINK COMMISSIONER CELLA IS RIGHT , BUT MY RECYCLING GETS PICKED UP ON MONDAYS AND THEY WERE CRUISING. THEY WENT BY MY HOUSE YESTERDAY EARLIER THEN THEY HAVE EVER BEEN BY AND I TOOK THAT TO LOOK AT THE BINS OUTSIDE OF HOUSES AND PEOPLE WEREN'T RECYCLING , FOR WHATEVER REASON. THE OTHER THING IS, I HELPED MY DAD PUT OUT HIS RECYCLING AND WE WENT THROUGH HIS BEEN AND WE HAD TO TAKE OUT EVERYTHING IN THEIR. HE HAD HIS NEWSPAPERS IN THEIR BECAUSE MY DAD STILL READS THE NEWSPAPER. A COUPLE OF THINGS LIKE THAT, BUT YOU KNOW IT IS SEEMING TO BE CHALLENGING FOR OUR RESIDENTS TO LEARN TO GET THE STREAMS CLEAN. I KNOW WE ARE ONLY A FEW WEEKS INTO THAT . >> I AM CONFLICTED WITH THESE REASONS . FIRST OF ALL , IF WE DECIDE TO NOT COLLECT RECYCLING , STOP RECYCLING THE CONTRACT ALLOWS US TO RENEGOTIATE 12 MONTHS, IS THAT CORRECT? >> YES. >> AND, MY CRYSTAL BALL IS VERY CLOUDY ON THIS SUBJECT. A 10 YEAR CONTRACT, A LOT CAN HAPPEN. IF WE SHOULD RENEGOTIATE AND SOMETHING SHOULD HAPPEN , AND THAT IS MY SECOND QUESTION. IF SOMETHING SHOULD HAPPEN TO MAKE RECYCLING ECONOMICALLY FEASIBLE AND DOABLE AND THREE YEARS INTO THE CONTRACT FCC WOULD HAVE TO BUY NEW EQUIPMENT . A DIFFERENT TRUCK WOULD PICK THIS UP. SO, FCC WOULD HAVE TO BUY NEW EQUIPMENT AND THEY WOULD AMORTIZE THAT NEW EQUIPMENT OVER THE DURATION OF THE CONTRACT. MORE THAN LIKELY, BECAUSE I DON'T EXPECT THEM TO LOSE MONEY . >> BUT PUT THAT OPTION IN THEIR, BUT THEY WOULD AMORTIZE THAT DEPRECIATION OVER THE REMAINING SIX YEARS. WHEREAS, THE PRICE WE HAVE TODAY IS ON THE OLDER TRUCKS FOR 10 YEARS. SO, WE WOULD PAY MORE TO ADD IT LATER. THERE IS NO DOUBT BECAUSE OF THAT DEPRECIATION. [01:10:09] BE ACTUAL PENALTIES . >> IT IS PART OF THE NEGOTIATIONS DISCUSSED RIGHT NOW. IN THE OLD DAYS WHEN WE WERE TRYING TO REACH 75%, WHICH WAS AN ARBITRARY GOAL IT WAS DETERMINED THAT THE PENALTY THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO NOTIFY THE PRESIDENT OF IS IF THERE WERE ANY SHORTFALL . SO, EVERYTHING MAKES ME IN AGREEMENT. >> THE LAST PORTION OF MY CONUNDRUM IS BETWEEN A RECYCLING AND A $360 AND CURBSIDE RECYCLING AT $426 WHICH TURNS OUT TO BE $1.30 PER WEEK. THAT IS A HALF A GALLON OF GAS PER WEEK FOR THOSE THAT WANT TO RECYCLE. IT IS GOING TO COST YOU FOUR OR FIVE GALLONS IN GAS TO TAKE RECYCLING TO AN ECC. SO, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE COST DIFFERENTIAL FROM NONE TO CURBSIDE , IT IS ABOUT $.66 PER WEEK. IT IS ONE HALF GALLON OF GAS. WE DEAL WITH THIS ALL OF THE TIME AND WHEN WE TALK ABOUT SCHOOL TAXES OR ANY TAXES, WE PAY IT FOR THE BETTERMENT OF THE COMMUNITY. I HAVEN'T HAD A KID IN SCHOOL FOR 35 YEARS, BUT I PAY SCHOOL TAXES ALL OF THE TIME. I AM ALL FOR THAT. THE SCHOOL SYSTEM , IT PROVIDES GOOD HEALTH PROFESSIONALS AND TECHNICIANS TO WORK ON MY CAR AND I BENEFIT FROM THAT. THAT IS THE BENEFIT WE GET FOR THAT PROBLEM WE HAVE WITH OUR TAXATION SYSTEM. IN THIS CASE , I AM CONFLICTED WITH PEOPLE WHO DON'T RECYCLE AND THROW IT AWAY , YOU NEVER KNOW WHAT THEY WILL DO. >> ON YOUR CONUNDRUM , I AM WITH YOU WITH THE SCHOOL TAX. I FOLLOW YOU ON THAT. BUT, ON THIS ONE, HERE IS WHAT MY STRUGGLE IS. THIS IS IN NO WAY QUESTIONING YOU , BUT WE CONSISTENTLY SEE THINGS ON SOCIAL MEDIA. I SEE THINGS ON SOCIAL MEDIA TALKING ABOUT OUR EMPLOYEES ARE WASTE MANAGEMENT EMPLOYEES OR WHOEVER IT IS THAT IS COLLECTING THIS STUFF SAYS IT ALL GOES TO LANDFILL ANYWAY. IF WE TOOK COMMISSIONER BURKE'S POINT ABOUT GETTING CLEAN ENOUGH TO ACTUALLY ALLOW IT TO BE DISPOSED OF , THAT IS A REAL CHALLENGE. THEN , WE WILL CHARGE SO WE KNOW 20% TO 30% OF THE RESIDENTS WILL DO IT IF WE CURBSIDE. IF WE CHARGE MORE, THE HALF-GALLON OF GAS THEN, WILL IT EVEN GO TO THE LANDFILL FROM THEIR? MY OTHER QUESTION , AND I MEAN THIS SINCERELY IS , SO, IF WE RAISE THE COST FOR EVERYONE WILL STILL GO IN THE LANDFILL? BUT NEXT WEEK WHERE THEY ARE CONSIDERING THAT LEGISLATURE , WILL WE HAVE TO REVISIT THIS A THIRD TIME? CERTAINLY , WE DON'T WANT TO PUT OUR TAXPAYERS IN THAT SITUATION. >> I DON'T THINK THERE WILL BE A PENALTY FROM THE STATE. CITIES AND TOWNS AND COUNTIES WILL FIGHT THAT VEHEMENTLY BECAUSE WE CAN JUSTIFY IT. THE OTHER THINGS ARE REALLY TOUGH. TENURE CONTRACT? WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN IN 10 YEARS? WHEN YOU AMORTIZE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS WORTH OF EQUIPMENT OVER 10 YEARS , THAT IS A PRETTY BIG BILL. WHEN YOU DO IT OVER FIVE YEARS , IT IS A HUGE BILL. >> MR. CHAIR, IF I COULD CLARIFY AND TALK ABOUT THE RECYCLING GOING INTO THE LANDFILL. THE HAULING CONTRACTOR BRINGS THAT WASTE TO US AND DROPS IT ON THE [01:15:03] FLOOR. WE LOAD IT INTO TRAILERS . I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT WHAT WE HAVE COLLECTED AS RECYCLING GOES TO RECYCLING. >> I AM GLAD YOU BROUGHT THAT UP BECAUSE PEOPLE CAN SAY ANYTHING ON FACEBOOK WITHOUT HAVING ATTRIBUTION. WITH YOUR DATA , THAT IS REAL DATA. SO, DISPEL THE RUMOR , RECYCLING DOES NOT GO TO THE TRASH. THERE IS SOME THAT IS REJECTED, OF COURSE. IT IS HARD. >> IT DOESN'T GO STRAIGHT TO THE TRASH, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT I'M WITH YOU 100% ON WHAT YOU ARE SAYING BECAUSE THE REASON WE ARE HAVING THIS CONVERSATION IN THE LAST MEETING WAS BECAUSE THEY WERE SAYING OUR STREAMS WERE NOT CLEAN ENOUGH. SO, THEY TOOK US FROM PAYING IS $25 PER 10 TWO CHARGING US TO TAKE IT TO THE LANDFILL. I AM NOT SURE IT DOES GET RECYCLED. >> THERE IS THE MAN. >> THE STATEMENT I JUST MADE IS AN ACCURATE ONE. THE MATERIALS ARE PICKED UP AND BROUGHT TO US. WE SEPARATE THEM. WE HAVE A CONTAMINANTS RATE OF 12%. THE STATE HAS A CONTAMINATION RATE OF BETWEEN 25% AND 35% AND THAT IS BECAUSE THEY USE A SINGLE STREAM RECYCLE AND A LOT MORE GARBAGE GOES INTO THE LARGE CAN. BECAUSE WE USE THESE 218 GALLON BINS, THE RESIDENTS OF THE FIRST ARE THE FIRST LINE OF DEFENSE. WE SEPARATE THEM WHEN THEY LEGISLATION , WE TRY TO MAKE A DECISION WITH THE BEST INFORMATION WE HAVE. WE HAVE HEARD IT TONIGHT. WE WILL BE CRITICIZED WHEN THOSE DATA POINTS CHANGE. BUT, WE ALWAYS HAVE TO REFER BACK TO THE FACTS. WHEN YOU ARE PAYING $58 FOR GARBAGE AND $85 FOR RECYCLING, YOU HAVE TO SCRATCH YOUR HEAD. I FEEL FOR THOSE WHO REALLY DO WANT TO PROTECT THE ENVIRONMENT AND RECYCLE AND SAVE THE ENERGY AND THAT KIND OF STUFF, BUT THE SYSTEM JUST WON'T COOPERATE WITH US. IT IS WORKING AGAINST US. I WILL TAKE EMOTION. IT IS WELL AFTER 5:00. UNLESS SOMEBODY HAS ANOTHER COMMENT. REALLY, THE INTENT WAS TO BRIEF THE BOARD ON WHAT THE ALTERNATIVE TO RECYCLING WOULD BE AND THAT WAS BROUGHT UP AT [01:20:03] THE LAST BOARD MEETING , TO RECYCLE AT THE ECC. I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NECESSARILY, NEED A VOTE ON THAT. WE ARE CONTINUING TO NEGOTIATE THE CONTRACT WITH FCC, AS DIRECTED FROM THE LAST BOARD MEETING , WHICH INCLUDED NO CURBSIDE RECYCLING. I GUESS WE WOULD ASK , AND WE HAVE TIME TO DO THIS. IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE IMMEDIATE HERE. WE COULD EVEN WAIT UNTIL THE NEXT BOARD MEETING, IS TO JUST GIVE US DIRECTION ON WHETHER YOU WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THIS ALTERNATIVE , I.E., THE ECC TO BE THE DROP-OFF. THAT IS REALLY THE INTENT. DO WE WANT THE ECC TO BE DROP-OFF SITES ? >> THAT IS WHAT THE GUIDANCE WAS. LAST WEEK, IT WAS TO NEGOTIATE A NON-CURBSIDE PICKUP OF RECYCLING. >> WITH ECC ? >> IT WAS SUGGESTED TO DO THAT. WE HAVE GIVEN YOU THE DATA . AGAIN, THE PLEASURE OF THE BOARD. IF THE BOARD WOULD LIKE TO TAKE A VOTE TO CONTINUE THAT OR NOT AT THE RATES THAT WERE BRIEFED BY MILTON, OR --WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE IT IS CLEAR THAT IT WASN'T JUST NEUTRAL. THERE WERE COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH DROP-OFFS AT THE ECC. THAT IS IT. >> IF I MAY, SIR THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION LAST TIME WAS TO GO WITH THE OPTION OF DUAL STREAM RECYCLING PICKUP . OR, IF THERE WAS GOING TO BE NO RECYCLING , IT WOULD BE NONE AT ALL. THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT OPTIONS OF MAYBE, TAKING SOME OPPORTUNITY TO RECYCLE . WE WORKED REPAIR TO DISCUSS THOSE NUMBERS AND THAT IS WHAT WE DID IN THE LAST TWO WEEKS. >> I'M CONFUSED BECAUSE THAT IS NOT WHAT I RECALL FROM THE LAST MEETING. BECAUSE COMMISSIONER BURKE MADE THE MOTION AND I SECONDED IT. IT WAS ALL THE OPTIONS. IT WAS OPTION TWO WITH CURBSIDE RECYCLING. OPTION FOUR WITH DROP-OFF RECYCLING AND OPTION FOUR WITH NO RECYCLING. THE DIFFERENCE TONIGHT IS THAT YOU HAVE CHANGED THE RATE ON OPTION FOUR WITH DROP-OFF RECYCLING. ASIDE FROM THAT , WE ADOPTED IT. SO, IN ORDER FOR IT TO CHANGE, WHAT WE ADOPTED AT THE LAST MEETING, SOMEONE WOULD HAVE TO MAKE A MOTION TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE ADOPTED AT THE LAST MEETING. I READ THOSE MINUTES TONIGHT BECAUSE THAT IS WHERE THE CORRECTION WAS. >> I RECALL THAT HOWEVER, I TOOK IT AS WE WERE CREATIVE AND CAME UP WITH SOMETHING THEY HAD NOT THOUGHT OF. SO, THE DROP-OFF CENTER WAS ONLY GOING TO BE AT ROSEMARY , CORRECT? BUT THEN, WE FIGURED OUT THAT THERE WILL BE MORE COST BECAUSE WE HAVE TO GO AND STAFF EACH CENTER . SO, IT WAS TOTALLY DIFFERENT . YOU WERE SAYING IT WOULD STAY THE SAME AS IT IS. I ASKED THAT OVER AND OVER AGAIN. BUT , YOU HAVE TO GO BACK AND FIGURE IT OUT BECAUSE YOU SAID THERE WOULD BE MORE COSTS AND THERE WILL BE MORE EQUIPMENT COSTS , CORRECT? >> NOT EXACTLY. WHAT WAS SAID WAS THAT WE HAD THE TWO RECOMMENDATIONS AND IT WAS EITHER NO RECYCLING AT ALL OR USING THE DUAL STREAM SYSTEM. THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION ON THE TIMES TO MY RECOLLECTION . WE NEEDED TO DO RECYCLING SOMEHOW IN SOME METHOD AND WHAT CAME UP WAS TO USE THE ECCS. WE HAD NOT TAKEN THE TIME TO ANALYZE THAT FINANCIALLY BECAUSE THAT WASN'T AN OPTION TO US. THAT WAS SOMETHING YOU GUYS WENT UP WITH AND WE WENT AHEAD WITH THE FINANCIAL ANALYSIS. >> I UNDERSTAND THAT, HOWEVER THE MOTION I MADE WAS BECAUSE I WAS TOLD IT WOULD BE THE SAME AS IT IS NOW. SO, I HAD INCORRECT INFORMATION TO BE ABLE TO MAKE A MOTION. SO, WE MADE A MOTION AND I HAD A SECOND THAT WE WERE GOING TO HAVE RECYCLING WITH DROP-OFF BECAUSE IT WAS GOING TO BE THE SAME AS IT IS NOW. NO ONE BROUGHT IT UP THAT IT WOULD COST MORE TO DO THAT. I DON'T KNOW , BUT I FEEL LIKE I MADE A MOTION BUT I REALLY WASN'T MAKING A MOTION ON WHAT I THOUGHT I WAS MAKING A MOTION ON, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. I [01:25:02] DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT TO DO. WE DID MAKE A MOTION AND I DID HAVE A SECOND AND THERE WAS A VOTE. WHERE DO WE GO FROM HERE? >> WE ADOPT RATES IN FEBRUARY, RIGHT? WE DON'T WANT TO ADOPT RATES TONIGHT. I THOUGHT MILTON TOLD ME IT WAS IN FEBRUARY. DON'T GET CHANGED UNTIL THE NEXT CYCLE. >> I UNDERSTAND THAT. >> ARE TWO RECOMMENDATIONS STILL EXIST. WE EITHER GO WITH THE DUAL STREAM RECYCLING ON CURBSIDE OR NO RECYCLING. >> THAT HAS BEEN CLEAR, BUT ON THE PAPERS THERE ARE THREE OPTIONS . THERE WERE ACTUALLY --HERE IS HOW I KNOW IT. I CAN GO TO MY OFFICE AND GET THE PAPERS. >> IT IS NOT IN YOUR HEAD. >> THE CONCERN HERE ISN'T NECESSARILY --BUT I UNDERSTOOD FROM THE BRIEFINGS IS THAT THE REASON WHY THE NUMBER CHANGED IN OPTION FOUR IS BECAUSE WE ONLY HAD SO MANY DAYS IT WAS OPEN. YOU HAD TO STAFF MORE AND BE MORE ACCESSIBLE TO THE COMMUNITY. SO, THOSE FIGURES WILL HAVE TO CHANGE IN ORDER TO ACCOMMODATE. THAT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT TRANSPIRED HERE. SO, THE NUMBERS FROM THE LAST MEETING DID NOT APPRECIATE THAT EXPANSION. SO, IF WE, AS A BOARD ARE UNCOMFORTABLE WITH THIS FIGURE, THEN WHAT IS THE NEXT STEP? BECAUSE, FOR WHAT THEY VOTED FOR IS NOT WHAT IS BEING PRESENTED TONIGHT. SO, IT SEEMS TO ME LIKE THE CONTENTION HERE AND WHAT WE ARE MOVING FORWARD WITH TONIGHT IS DIFFERENT FROM WHAT WAS PRESENTED LAST MEETING AND THEY ARE LOOKING TO RECTIFY THAT. >> ARE OBJECTIVE TODAY WAS PURELY TO TAKE THE INSTRUCTIONS WE HAD FROM YOU FOLKS AND DO A COST ANALYSIS AND PROVIDE THAT DATA TO YOU , TONIGHT, WHICH IS THE COST DATA WE HAVE ESTIMATED. THE OPTION TO DO THE DROP-OFF RECYCLING WASN'T IN ANY OF OUR GRAPHS LAST TIME. >> YES, IT WAS. MR. CHAIRMAN, CAN I PLEASE GO GET MY PAPERS FROM THE LAST MEETING? >> SURE. >> AM I WRONG? >> SHE HAS IT RIGHT HERE. >> IT WAS A HYBRID. >> TOLD US THAT NUMBER FOUR AND NUMBER FIVE WITH THE SAME. MILTON TALKED ABOUT THE ECC IN HIS PRESENTATION. DO YOU KNOW WHAT? I AM NOT GOING TO ARGUE ABOUT IT. WE TALKED THE WHOLE TIME LAST TIME ABOUT THE DROP-OFFS AT THE ECCS. THAT IS WHAT WE THOUGHT WE ADOPTED AND YOU TOLD US THE RATE WOULD CHANGE, BUT WE WEREN'T ADOPTING RATE THAT NIGHT BECAUSE WE STILL HAD TO HAVE THE CONTRACT TO COME BACK TO US. AND, THE CONTRACT HAS TO BE NEGOTIATED AND COMMISSIONER COMPERE HAD ASKED FOR ADDITIONAL TIME BECAUSE SHE WASN'T COMFORTABLE. AND THE GENTLEMAN FROM FCC SAID THAT WE REALLY DIDN'T HAVE EXTRA TIME. SO, WE HAD TO MAKE A DECISION AND SHE WASN'T COMFORTABLE. I DON'T PRETEND TO BE IN YOUR HEAD . >> THERE ARE ONLY FIVE OF THOSE RECYCLING STATIONS IN ALL OF THE COUNTY. ONLY FIVE . THERE ARE THREE IN ONE DISTRICT AND ONE ON THE OUTSKIRTS OF ANOTHER AND TWO DISTRICTS DON'T HAVE ONE AT ALL. SO, TO MOVE IN THAT DIRECTION DISENFRANCHISES MY DISTRICT AND IT DISENFRANCHISES JB'S DISTRICT , COMMISSIONER RENNINGER. SO, I CAN'T BE COMFORTABLE MOVING FORWARD WITH DROP-OFF RECYCLING OPTION THAT DOES NOT BENEFIT DISTRICT 2. THAT IS WHAT I WAS GETTING AT AND THE DECISION ON THE FLOOR WAS TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE SALESMAN . >> I CAN APPRECIATE HOW YOU FEEL , COMMISSIONER COMPERE AND [01:30:01] I WANTED TO SAY THAT FOR THE RESIDENTS SAKE , WHERE THE ECCS CAME FROM, THOSE ARE OLD LANDFILLS. THERE ARE THREE IN MY DISTRICT BECAE THEY USED TO BE THE LANDFILL AND THEY ARE LOCATIONS THAT HAVE TO STAY OPEN FOR A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME FOR COLLECTION. I RESENT THAT YOU ARE INSINUATING THAT ANYONE WOULD WANT TO PUT A COLLECTIONS STATION IN MY DISTRICT MORE THAN IN ANY OTHER DISTRICT. THAT IS NOT WHAT MY INTENTION WAS WHEN I VOTED FOR IT. >> THAT WAS NOT MY IMPLICATION AT ALL. I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR THAT MOVING FORWARD WITH THE DROP-OFF RECYCLING WAS NOT SOMETHING I WAS COMFORTABLE WITH BECAUSE IT HARMS DISTRICT 2. I DID GET THE HISTORY ON THE PLACEMENT OF ALL OF THOSE AND I UNDERSTAND THAT. BUT, THE VOTE WAS TWO WEEKS AGO AS TO WHETHER WE SHOULD MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS AND THERE WAS NO OPTION TO PUT A SIX ONE OR A SEVENTH ONE. SO, WITH THE INFORMATION I WAS PRESENTED, IT DID NOT WORK FOR DISTRICT 2 AND THAT IS WHY I VOTED AGAINST IT. >> WE JUST NEED TO KNOW WHAT TO DO NOW BECAUSE WE ALREADY DID HAVE A VOTE AND IT IS ALREADY IN PLACE. THAT IS CUT AND DRIVE. WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT TO DO HERE. >> UNLESS WE VOTE IN FAVOR OF IT THE LAST TIME, THERE IS NO REALLY A REASON TO VOTE. THERE WAS NO DOLLAR AMOUNT ATTACHED TO THE DROP-OFF RECYCLING AS WE LOOKED AT THIS BECAUSE THE DELTA WAS $102 WHICH IS THE CURRENT RATE AND THE CURBSIDE RECYCLING, WE HAVE NO IDEA. IT TURNED OUT TO BE A LITTLE MORE EXPENSIVE THAN I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE, EVEN THOUGH I VOTED AGAINST IT. I WAS SURPRISED IT BROUGHT IT UP TO A TOTAL OF $69 MORE. IF YOU ARE LOOKING FOR A MOTION, THE MOTION WOULD HAVE TO COME FROM ONE OF THE FOLKS THAT VOTED FOR IT THE LAST TIME. IF YOU VOTED THAT WAY THE LAST TIME AND YOU ARE COMFORTABLE WITH IT, THERE IS NO REASON TO VOTE. >> I WOULD JUST ADD THAT WHERE THE COST INCREASE IS, THAT IS NOT WHAT WE VOTED FOR LAST TIME. WE ONLY VOTED ON CURBSIDE RATES. WE VOTED ON DISPOSAL RATES BACK IN SEPTEMBER , I BELIEVE IT WAS. WE VOTED ON BOTH OF THE RATES IN AUGUST OR SEPTEMBER AND WE WERE ONLY VOTING LAST MEETING ON CURBSIDE RATES TO NEGOTIATE WITH THE NEW HAULER . >> I DIDN'T THINK WE HAD THE KIND OF DROP-OFF RECYCLING IN MIND AT THE TIME AND THAT RATE IS HIGHER BECAUSE THERE IS MORE IN TERMS OF MOVING FROM ECCS TO THE LAND FALL AND BACK-AND-FORTH. IN ONE RESPECT UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE SAYING BUT I THINK WE ARE TALKING A DIFFERENT LANGUAGE NOW WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE DROP-OFF RECYCLING. >> MR. CHAIRMAN, IF I MAY. AGAIN, I APOLOGIZE IF THE DOCUMENT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT THE ONE THROUGH SIX OPTIONS. STRAIGHT OUT OF THE MINUTES, IT WAS OPTION FOUR AND FIVE WITH CURBSIDE RECYCLING AND CONTINUE TO OFFER RECYCLING IN SOME TYPE AND THAT IS WHERE THE GREAT AREA WAS. AGAIN , WE CAN LOOK AT THIS MANY DIFFERENT WAYS. THE PRESENTATION THAT MILTON HAS GIVEN, WE HAVE SIX DAYS A WEEK AND WE BASED THAT OFF OF OUR EXPERIENCES FROM BEFORE. OF COURSE, WE HAD 12 SITES DURING THE COVID YEAR AND NOW WE ONLY HAVE FIVE SITES. IT IS NOT CLEAR-CUT. WE JUST FELT LIKE WE WANTED TO BRIEF THE BOARD IN WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE AT THE ECCS. BY ALL MEANS WE WILL BRING THE NEGOTIATION BACK FOR THE AMOUNT. THESE ARE JUST UP FOR DISCUSSION, REALLY. AGAIN , I SAID WE HAVE TIME AND THE BOARD HAS TIME TO LOOK AT THIS AND GIVE US DIRECTION , WHETHER IT WOULD BE PICKUP AT THE ECCS . THAT IS WHERE WE ARE AT BASED UPON WHAT I JUST READ FROM THE MINUTES FROM THE LAST MEETING. WE WANT TO BE TRANSPARENT. >> THE CONTRACT WE WOULD BE BRINGING BACK IS DEALING WITH THE CURBSIDE RIGHT NOW. [01:35:15] NOW IS OPTION FOUR WITH DROP-OFF RECYCLING, IS THAT CORRECT? THAT WAS THE LAST DIRECTION. UNLESS WE CHANGE IT TONIGHT. >> I DON'T THINK THERE IS A NECESSITY TO THINK ABOUT IT TONIGHT. THE ONLY REASON WE NEED TO LET THEM KNOW EARLY IS BECAUSE THEY NEEDED TO ORDER EQUIPMENT IF WE ARE GOING TO GO ON WITH DROP-OFF RECYCLING. THAT IS A DIFFERENT ANIMAL AND I THINK WE DO HAVE MORE TIME TO MAKE A DETERMINATION. >> OKAY. >> I'M STILL AGAINST IT, BUT I UNDERSTAND. I AM JUST STAYING ON THE ROAD MAP AS TO WHERE WE ARE. I AM NOT LIKING WHERE WE ARE ENDING UP. >> WHAT IS IT WE HAVE MORE TIME TO DO? I AM SORRY. I AM LOS. >> JUST THE NUMBERS THAT WERE BRIEFED ON THE DROP-OFF AT THE ECCS. WE WANTED TO GIVE YOU THAT DATA AND WE HAVE A SCENARIO ON WHAT WAS BRIEFED. YOU SEE REAL TIME WHAT THOSE COSTS WOULD BE. OBVIOUSLY , WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT IT EVEN MORE IN-DEPTH THAN THAT BUT WE JUST WANTED THE BOARD TO BE AWARE. >> JUST BECAUSE WE ARE THE ONES PREPARING THE CONTRACT AND FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE AND WHAT WE UNDERSTAND IS THAT WE ARE MOVING FORWARD WITH THE AGREEMENT FOR CURBSIDE DO NOT INCLUDE RECYCLING. SO, WHETHER YOU LATER DECIDE TO DO OPTION FOUR WITH DROP-OFF RECYCLING FOR OPTION NUMBER FOUR WITH NO RECYCLING , THAT DOESN'T AFFECT THE CONTRACT. WHAT WOULD AFFECT THE CONTRACT AT THIS POINT IS IF YOU ARE MAKING A CHANGE BETWEEN OPTION TWO TO ANY VERSION OF FOUR. THAT IS WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO IS TO GET THE CONTRACT BACK AND FROM OUR STANDPONT WE NEED TO KNOW IF THERE IS CURBSIDE RECYCLING OR NOT. >> I THINK THE QUESTION IS WHETHER OR NOT WE NEED CURBSIDE. WE AREN'T , SO YOU CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH THE CONTRACT NEGOTIATIONS . WE WILL SORT THROUGH THE REST AS WE GO. >> I QUESTION THE REDUCTION IN RECYCLING FOR 10 DAYS --10 HOURS A DAY AND SIX DAYS A WEEK . I QUESTION THOSE HOURS. IN FACT, IT IS GOOD TO ANTICIPATE, BUT I AM NOT SURE IT WILL BE EXECUTED. THAT SEEMS LIKE A LOT FOR 50% OF THE POPULACE. GETTING THOSE CALLS. >> I AM ALREADY GETTING THE CALLS. >> I HAVE GOTTEN A FEW CALLS ABOUT NOT RECYCLING. >> I HAVE GOTTEN QUITE A FEW THAT SAY, LET'S NOT DO IT AT ALL. >> A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND 58.85. THAT IS THE REASON. >> 85, BY THE WAY IS ONLY GUARANTEED UNTIL SEPTEMBER. THAT IS A ONE YEAR AGREEMENT. SO, THAT COULD EASILY GO TO 150 OR 160. THAT IS WHAT THEY ARE SEEING IN JACKSONVILLE. >> THESE TWO OPTIONS, OR THESE OPTIONS , WE COULD STOP THAT AT ANY TIME. >> BUT WE HAVE TO PUT OUT TO BE THE HAULING FROM THE DROP-OFF POINTS TO WHEREVER THEY DROP THAT BACK OFF? DO THEY TAKE IT TO JACKSONVILLE? >> THEY BRING IT TO THE ROSEMARY HILL FACILITY AND IT IS RELOADED AND TAKEN TO THE PROCESSOR ON ROSEMARY HILL. WE HAVE A CURRENT BID FOR HAULING TO THE PRODUCTION CENTERS THAT WOULD ALLOW US TO ADD ADDITIONAL CONTAINERS. WE MIGHT HAVE TO WORK WITH THAT HAULER AND GIVE THEM SOME NOTICE OF IT MEANT THEY NEEDED ANOTHER DRIVER OR ANOTHER TRUCK. WE HAVE AN EXISTING CONTRACT AND THROUGH A BID PROCESS WE CAN JUST CONTINUE TO DO THAT AS WE HAVE BEEN FOR THAT SERVICE. >> THANK YOU, MILTON. >> MR. CHAIR, IF I MAY , WANTING TO RECONSIDER IS THAT THE PROCESSING FEE IS UP EVERY SIX MONTHS. THERE IS NO TELLING WHAT IT WOULD BE IN JUNE OF NEXT YEAR. THAT IS ONE OF THE DANGERS RIGHT NOW IN THIS MARKET MOVING FORWARD WITH RECYCLING. THERE ARE SOME [01:40:04] COUNTIES IN SOUTH FLORIDA THAT WENT FROM 140 TO 160 AND EVEN TO 210 . SO , IT IS ANOTHER PIECE OF DATA TO KEEP IN MIND WHEN WE ARE LOOKING AT OUR OPTIONS. >> BUT, WE WILL HAVE TIME TO DECIDE IF WE WANT TO DO AWAY WITH IT TOTALLY? >> WE WILL PROBABLY DECIDE THAT NEXT MEETING? >> IF WE ARE DOING IT AT THE DROP-OFF WE HAVE MORE FLEXIBILITY . IT IS A COUNTY OWNED AND COUNTY MANAGE SITE. >> BUT I THINK THE DIRECTION IS NO CURBSIDE. >> I THINK WE HAVE CONFIRMED THAT TONIGHT. >> THAT IS WHAT WE WILL BRING BACK WITH THE CONTRACT NEXT MONTH. THAT IS WHAT YOU WILL SEE WITH THAT. >> SO WE DON'T NEED A MOTION. WE WILL MOVE ON. THANK YOU. >> HAVE TO APOLOGIZE TO THE 5:00 BREAK. IT IS WELL PAST 5:00. IN ITEM NUMBER 13 THROUGH 17, THERE IS SOME LAND USE AND ZONING CHANGES. WE WILL NEED ANYBODY WHO WANTS TO SPEAK AT THE PUBLIC HEARINGS TO GET SWORN IN. >> YES SIR. >> LET'S CONGREGATE IN THE CENTER AISLE SO WE CAN GET YOU ON FILM HOLDING UP YOUR RIGHT-HAND. >> DO YOU ALL SOLEMNLY SWEAR OR AFFIRM THE TESTIMONY YOU ARE [13.  Final Public Hearing to consider COMP1023-00015 and PUD-1023-00015. (District 5, Comm. Burke) (D. Selig/B. Carson)] ABOUT TO GIVE WILL BE THE WHOLE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH, SO HOPE YOU GOT? >> THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH. >> FIRST ITEM IS NUMBER 13 A HEARING TO CONSIDER COMP PLAN 1023-000 15 AND PUD 1023- 000 15 . >> THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. FIRST OF ALL , THE APPLICANT HAS REQUESTED A CONTINUANCE OF THIS ITEM TO THE FEBRUARY 27TH MEETING AND WE ARE PREPARED TO GO FORWARD WITH THE PRESENTATION BUT IT IS THAT THE BENEFIT OF THE BOARD. >> THE HEAT CAME ON. >> I WAS GOING TO SAY. THIS IS NUMBER 13 . WE HAVE NUMEROUS REQUESTS TO SPEAK . >> MAY WE DO THE PRESENTATION FOR >> I AM SORRY. THAT IS A GOOD IDEA. WHY DON'T WE HAVE A PRESENTATION FIRST. >> THANK YOU. IS SHE HERE? >> IF YOU COULD INTRODUCE YOURSELF? >> GOOD EVENING. I AM WITH MATTHEWS DCC AND I'M REPRESENTING THE PROPERTY OWNER. DO YOU WANT ME TO MOVE TO A BRIEF PRESENTATION OR DO YOU JUST WANT ME TO EXPLAIN OUR CONTINUANCE? >> IT IS UP TO YOU. >> I WILL JUST HIT THE HIGHLIGHTS AND I AM ABLE TO RESPOND TO ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. THIS IS A REQUEST TO DEVELOP A 62 UNIT SUBDIVISION ON SHED ROAD NEAR THE REAR EXIT OF THE WILLOW SPRINGS NEIGHBORHOOD ON THE WEST SIDE OF SHED ROAD. WE ARE REQUESTING A CONTINUANCE. THE PROPERTY OWNER WAS UNABLE TO BE IN ATTENDANCE TONIGHT AND WE ARE ATTEMPTING TO RESPOND TO THE CONCERNS AND COMMENTS WE RECEIVED IN THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING A COUPLE WEEKS AGO. WE JUST NEED UNTIL THE FEBRUARY 27TH MEETING TO GIVE US MORE TIME TO RESPOND TO THAT AND TO ALLOW THE PROPERTY OWNER TO BE HERE TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF HIS PROPERTY. TO ADDRESS THE GENTLEMAN'S COMMENT FROM EARLIER DURING THE GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT ABOUT THE CONTINUANCE AT THE DECEMBER PC MEETING, THAT WAS TO ALLOW US TO HAVE A COMMUNITY MEETING WITH THE NEIGHBORS AS A RESPONSE TO THE CONCERNS THAT WERE ADDRESSED BECAUSE WE HAD NOT RECEIVED ANY FEEDBACK UNTIL THAT MEETING THAT THERE WAS A LEVEL OF CONCERN ABOUT OUR PROJECT. WE REQUEST A CONTINUANCE IN ORDER TO HAVE A COMMUNITY MEETING, WHICH WE DID JUST BEFORE CHRISTMAS. WE HAD A PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING A COUPLE WEEKS AGO AND THE NEIGHBORS WERE VERY PASSIONATE . IT WAS GOOD TO SIT [01:45:01] THROUGH THESE HOURS OF MEETIGS TO ADDRESS THEIR CONCERNS AND WE ARE STILL TRYING TO WORK ON THAT. THAT IS THE REASON FOR OUR CONTINUANCE REQUEST. >> CAN YOU GIVE ME AN ASSESSMENT OF THE COMMUNITY MEETING ? >> PROBABLY, THE BEST ATTENDED IMMUNITY MEETING I HAVE EVER HAD. THERE WAS APPROXIMATELY, 35 PEOPLE IN ATTENDANCE, BOTH REPRESENTATIVES OF MY CLIENTS, AS WELL AS CONCERNED NEIGHBORS. WE HAD A VERY INTERACTIVE DIALOGUE AND DISCUSSED CONCERNS ABOUT TRAFFIC , FLOODING, AND THE IMPACTS OF ADDITIONAL HOMES INTO AN AREA WHERE THERE IS ALREADY TWO VERY LARGE NEIGHBORHOODS , AS WELL AS A DIRT ROAD. WE HAD A VERY INTERACTIVE CONVERSATION AND MADE SOME CHANGES TO OUR PROJECT BASED ON THOSE CONCERNS, AS WELL AS COMMENTS FROM THE FIRST PLANNING COMMISSION. WE ARE STILL ATTEMPTING TO ADDRESS THESE CONCERNS IN A WAY THAT IS SENSITIVE TO THE NEEDS AND CONCERNS, BUT ALLOWS MY CLIENT TO BE ABLE TO BUILD HIS PROPERTY, HOPEFULLY. >> THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS FROM ADMIN? SEEING NONE WE WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING ON ITEM NUMBER 13. NOW, WE WILL ASK MR. CLAIRE TO COME FORWARD. MISREAD, YOU ARE ACTUALLY UP NEXT. >> GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSIONERS. I DON'T REALLY DO PUBLIC SPEAKING TOO OFTEN, SO I APOLOGIZE. MY FAMILY HAS LIVED ON SHED ROAD SINCE 1986 AND I CAN PROBABLY, THE ODDBALL HERE. I AM ENCOURAGING THE BOARD TO VOTE ON THE PROJECT BASED ON THE MERIT OF THE PROJECT. IF THE DEVELOPER IS ABLE TO CHECK MARK ALL OF THE BOXES AND EVERYONE IS HAPPY , WE FEEL THAT IS THE BEST WAY TO GO FOR THIS, ESPECIALLY SINCE THEY ARE ABLE TO CHECK THE BOXES . IF THEY NEED ADDITIONAL LAND FOR RETENTION PONDS FOR THE FLOODING AND AGAIN, I HAVE BEEN THERE SINCE I WAS SEVEN. THE ZONING ON SHED ROAD IS ALREADY WRONG. IT IS OWNED AGRICULTURAL RESIDENTIAL WHICH MEANS 175 ACRES. ALMOST 20 OF THE HOUSES HAVE IN BETWEEN ONE AND TWO ACRES OF LAND AND THEY ALREADY HAVE SEPTIC TANKS. I FEEL , I OWN MY OWN COMPANY AND THE KEY MEMBERS OF MY COMPANY HAVE DONE OVER $2 BILLION WORTH OF DEVELOPMENT IN CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS IN THE LAST 20 YEARS OR 30 YEARS . SO, WE UNDERSTAND WHAT THE DEVELOPER IS GOING THROUGH. ONE OF THE PROBLEM WE HAVE IS DURING THE LAST COMP PLAN , I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS A TENURE PLAN OR A 15 YEAR PLAN, IT NEVER ADDRESSED THE SHED ROAD CORRIDOR, PERIOD. WE ALWAYS REFER TO IT AS A DONUT HOLE. WHEN YOU ADDRESS IT, THERE WAS NEVER ANYTHING THERE. ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS I'M CONCERNED ABOUT IS, IF NOT APPROVING THIS ON MERIT, ONE OF THE BEST WAYS TO GET GENERATIONAL WEALTH IS BUYING PROPERTY. I JUST BOUGHT 3.5 ACRES BACKING UP TO MY FAMILY'S LAND AND, IF POSSIBLE WE WOULD LIKE TO DEVELOP IT, AS WELL. IT IS ALSO BECAUSE THE PEOPLE THAT OF BEEN HERE SINCE 1986 WOULD BE ABLE TO SELL THEIR LAND AND MAKE MONEY. MY CONCERN IS IF IT IS NOT BASED ON MERIT THESE PEOPLE'S PROPERTY VALUES WILL PROBABLY GO DOWN. AGAIN, I AM WEIRD. I WANT IT DONE RIGHT. THAT IS ALL I REALLY CARE ABOUT. I WOULD BE CONCERNED THAT THE DEVELOPERS MAY NOT COME TO CLAY COUNTY BASED ON NOT BEING ABLE TO CHECK MARK ALL THE BOXES. SO, I AM IMPLORING YOU TO LOOK AT IT ON THE MERIT OF THE PROJECT, ITSELF. >> THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS? >> MISREAD? >> MISS REID? >> MY NAME IS STACY REED AND I LIVE AT 3411 BROWN ROAD WHICH IS AT THE OPPOSITE END OF SHED FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT IS. I HAVE SAT THROUGH MANY HOURS OF THESE MEETINGS AND I CAME [01:50:01] TONIGHT TO ASK YOU TO VOTE NO ON THE SHED ROAD PROJECT BECAUSE OF THE MULTIPLE ISSUES WE HAVE CONCERNING THIS. THERE ARE TRAFFIC ISSUES AND SAFETY ISSUES AND FLOODING AND DRAINAGE. IT IS A LACK OF INFRASTRUCTURE . WE TALKED ABOUT SMART GROWTH AND SMART INFRASTRUCTURE AND THIS DOES NOT HAVE THAT. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THIS HAVING TO EXIT EITHER THROUGH WILLIS SPRINGS OR DOWN ETHER ROAD. I HAVE TALKED TO YOU GUYS ABOUT THE DIRT ROAD STUDY AND THIS IS NOT A VIABLE PLACE FOR THIS TO GO. THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD, I HOPE YOU WATCHED THE LAST MEETING, BUT THEY OVERWHELMINGLY VOTED AGAINST THIS. IT WASN'T EVEN CLOSE BECAUSE OF THESE CONCERNS WE HAVE HAD. I KNOW THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP WOULD ALLOW THIS TO BECOME A PUD. IT DOESN'T MEAN IT HAS TO BECOME ONE. I THINK KEEPING SOME LAND AT-RESIDENTIAL IS NOT A BAD THING. IT IS WHAT HAS MADE CLAY COUNTY A SPECIAL PLACE FOR ALL THESE YEARS. I THINK, TRYING TO CRAM ANOTHER PUD IN INTO THIS ONE LITTLE SPOT , YES IT COULD BE ALLOWED BUT IT DOESN'T MEAN IT HAS TO BE. I REALLY IMPLORE YOU TO VOTE , NO ON THIS CONTINUANCE. I DON'T THINK ANY OF THESE MAJOR ISSUES , AND THEY ARE NOT LIKE CHANGING ONE LITTLE THING ABOUT THIS PUD THAT WILL MAKE THESE ISSUES GO AWAY, THESE ARE MAJOR THINGS THAT WILL NOT BE RESOLVED IN ONE MONTH. SO, I ASK YOU VOTE, NO ON THE CONTINUANCE AND YOU VOTE, NO ON THE PROJECT. I ALSO WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU KNOW THAT THE DEVELOPER ASK TO ATTEND AN H AWAY MEETING AT WILLOW SPRINGS AND HE DID NOT SHOW UP. THIS IS TWO NIGHTS IN A ROW I HAVE COME TO MEETINGS AND HE IS NOT HERE. I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. >> JAMES HANSFORD? >> >> I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO LOOK AT SOMETHING THAT MR. DAVIS CAME OUT AND LOOKED AT. I HAVE ALREADY SANITIZED MY PHONE TWICE SINCE I HAVE BEEN HERE. THIS IS WHAT IS COMING DOWN. YOU CAN'T SEE IT --PLEASE , TAKE A LOOK AT IT. IF THIS DEVELOPMENT COMES TO PASS , ALL OF THIS WATER THAT MR. DAVIS SAW IS GOING TO BACKUP ON , NOT JUST MY PROPERTY, IT WILL BACKUP ON JENNIFER RUSSELL'S PROPERTY THAT IS BESIDE ME , THOMAS RUSSELL AND HIS PROPERTY. THAT IS COMING FROM THE RETENTION POND FROM MAGNOLIA WEST. THAT HAS BEEN ALLOWED TO FLOW THROUGH OUR PROPERTIES. IT COMES BETWEEN ME AND THOMAS , WHICH IS MY STEPBROTHER AND IT TURNS AND GOES THROUGH THE WETLANDS , THROUGH THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT. OKAY, WHERE IS THIS WATER GOING TO GO? THERE IS NO SOLUTION. MY PROPERTY RIGHT NOW STAYS WET. JENNIFER'S STAYS WET. WHEN MR. DAVIS CAME OUT HE SAW THAT IT WAS PUDDLED . OUR BACKYARD WAS MOIST AND UNDERNEATH MY HOUSE IS MOIST. WE ARE HAVING MOISTURE ISSUES SINCE ALL OF THESE DEVELOPMENTS HAVE COME IN. I HAVE LIVED THERE 65 YEARS. I AM JANE SHED HANSFORD. MY FAMILY WAS ONE OF THE FIRST ONES ON THAT ROAD. THERE WERE CYPRESS TREES GOING THROUGH THAT 20 ACRES THAT IS TRYING TO BE DONE AS A PUD. IT IS NATURAL . THERE IS A PIPE . IF YOU LOOK FROM THE NEW SCHOOL , IT DIRECTS BACK BEHIND WILLOW SPRINGS . THE [01:55:03] WATER IS FLOWING BACK THROUGH WILLOW SPRINGS AND IT IS GOING TO THOSE LITTLE TRIBUTARIES. IF THAT DEVELOPMENT TAKES PLACE YOU HAVE TO GO AROUND THE CORNER FROM SHD ROAD TO WILLOW SPRINGS AND THERE IS NO GUARDRAILS . THERE WOULD HAVE TO BE GUARDRAILS . THERE IS A DITCH FULL OF WATER. IT IS A SAFETY ISSUE AND THERE IS NOT EVEN A SIDEWALK FOR KIDS TO GET ONTO. NOT UNTIL THEY GET WAY UP INTO THE HOUSING DEVELOPMENT IS THERE A SIDEWALK. THIS IS OUR FAMILY HOME. IT HAS BEEN THERE. MY GRANDFATHER OWNED ALL OF THAT PROPERTY. HE OWNED THAT 20 ACRES. >> PLEASE FINISH UP. >> THIS IS GOING TO DESTROY OUR PROPERTIES BECAUSE THE WATER IS NOT GOING TO GO AWAY. YOU ARE DESTROYING OUR HOUSES. WE ARE FIGHTING FOR OUR HOUSES. >> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> MR. TROY ANDERSON? >> ANDERSON. I HAVE BEEN A RESIDENT OF SHED ROAD 21 YEARS AND A RESIDENT OF WILLOW SPRINGS ON MY LIFE. ALTHOUGH THERE HAVE BEEN SLIGHT IMPROVEMENTS ON THE DRAINAGE ISSUE ON SHED ROAD WITH THE ADDITION OF A CULVERT, THIS HAS BEEN THE ONLY SIGNIFICANT IMPROVEMENT THE ROAD HAS SEEN IN THE 21 YEARS I'VE LIVED HERE. WE CAN'T SUSTAIN ANY MORE TRAFFIC ON THIS ROAD. CONSIDERING ADDING 62 MORE HOMES IN THIS AREA OR ANY MORE HOMES IN THIS AREA AT THIS POINT IN TIME IS GOING TO COMPOUND THE ISSUES IN THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITY. DESPITE WHAT ONE OF THE PLANNING COMMISSIONERS SAID , IT DOESN'T WORK. ANOTHER COMMISSIONER STATED THAT IF YOU LIVED IN WILLOW SPRINGS HE WOULD BE AFRAID TO LET HIS KIDS PLAY OUTSIDE THE FRONT DOOR. IT IS THE SITUATION DOWN THERE THAT IS JUST A DISASTER WAITING TO HAPPEN WITH THE TRAFFIC COMING THROUGH THEIR , GARBAGE TRUCKS, CONSTRUCTIVE VEHICLES AND IN GENERAL, PEOPLE CUTTING THROUGH TO GO TO THE LANDFILL . BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION VOTED , IT WAS POINTED OUT THAT THERE IS NO INFRASTRUCTURE TO SUSTAIN THE TRAFFIC WE HAVE NOW, MUCH LESS ANYMORE. NOT ONLY WITH THIS AD TO THE ISSUES WITH FLOODING AND DRAINAGE AND ROAD CONDITIONS, BUT WITH THE ADDED TRAFFIC PROPOSED TO USE WILLOW SPRING DRIVE, SHED ROAD IS AT RISK. I SPEAK FOR EVERYONE WHO SHOWED UP TO SPEAK ON THE MATTER TONIGHT. WHEN I SAY THERE IS REALLY NO NEED FOR A CONTINUANCE ON THIS MATTER BECAUSE IT IS OBVIOUS WHAT THE ANSWER SHOULD BE. THAT IS ALL I HAVE. THANK YOU. >> ALEX MARTINEZ? >> GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS ALEX MARTINEZ. I WANT TO REITERATE WHAT THE PREVIOUS PEOPLE SAID . TRAFFIC ON WILLOW SPRINGS --IF WE PUT 120 MORE CARS , IT WILL NOT IMPROVE THE SITUATION. THINK ABOUT THE SAFETY OF THE CHILDREN IN WILLOW SPRINGS. THAT IS ALL I REALLY HAVE TO SAY. HAVE A GOOD EVENING. >> THANK YOU. LUCINDA HUNT? >> GOOD EVENING. I LIVE IN WILLOW SPRINGS. I LOVE PLAYING OUTSIDE WITH MY NEIGHBORS AND RIDING MY BIKE. THE NEW COMMUNITY WILL MAKE IT MORE DANGEROUS FOR MY FRIENDS AND I TO PLAY OUTSIDE. IT WILL ALSO CAUSE A PROBLEM WITH THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE ON SHED ROAD. PLEASE DO NOT ALLOW THE COMMUNITY TO BE BUILT. THANK [02:00:02] YOU. >> WHAT GRADE ARE YOU IN? FIFTH? THANK YOU. >> RE: HUNT ? >> GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS RORY HUNT AND I AM 12 YEARS OLD. I LIVE IN WILLOW SPRINGS. THE BUILDING OF A NEW COMMUNITY WILL ENDANGER KIDS AND TEENS WALKING TO SCHOOL. KIDS WALKING TO THE SCHOOL BUS DON'T PAY ATTENTION WHEN CROSSING THE ROAD , SO INJURIES AND MAYBE DEATH COULD HAPPEN. THE PEOPLE ON SHED ROAD HALF TO LEAVE BECAUSE OF THE FLOODING THAT HAS HAPPENED. NO ONE WILL BE ABLE TO SELL THEIR HOUSES BECAUSE OF THE FLOODING. PLEASE THINK OF EVERYONE. THANK YOU FOR LISTENING. >> THANK YOU. SARAH? >> GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS SARAH AND I AM A HOMEOWNER ON ENGLEWOOD COURT IN WILLOW SPRINGS. I AM A MILITARY VETERAN AND I WAS BORN IN FLORIDA AND THIS IS WHERE I INTEND TO RAISE MY CHILDREN AND LIVE INDEFINITELY. I AM THE PARENT OF FOUR SMALL CHILDREN. WILLOW SPRINGS DRIVE IS BARELY WIDE ENOUGH TO ACCOMMODATE THE CURRENT FLOW OF TRAFFIC. ADDING AN ENTIRE NEW DEVELOPMENT WITH 60 TO NEW HOMES WITH AN AVERAGE OF 1-4 VEHICLES PER HOME WILL MAKE OUR ROADS SUBSTANTIALLY WORSE. WE ALREADY HAVE ISSUES WITH PEOPLE SPEEDING TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND IGNORING STOP SIGNS. WE ALREADY HAVE ISSUES WITH SCHOOL BUSES AND EMERGENCY VEHICLES NOT BEING ABLE TO GET THROUGH. THIS NEW DEVELOPMENT WILL CAUSE TRAFFIC TO INCREASE SUBSTANTIALLY AND AS A RESULT WILL RESULT IN SIGNIFICANT INCREASED DANGER TO CHILDREN AND RESIDENTS. I WOULD LIKE TO BRING UP A THOUGHT THAT WAS SAID AT THE LAST TO THE MEETING WHICH VOTED 5-1 TO DENY THIS PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT. IN ESSENCE , WE DO NOT IMPROVE PROPERTY BY DEVALUING AND ENDANGERING THE SURROUNDING PROPERTY AND COMMUNITIES. I ASK YOU TO VOTE, NO TO THIS PUD AND DENY THE CONTINUANCE. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. EDWIN NIEVES? PRESIDENT FOR THE WILLOW SPRINGS COMMUNITY, AS WELL AS SOME OF HER NEIGHBORS ON SHED ROAD . I WOULD LIKE YOU TO CONSIDER TO DENY THE CONTINUANCE . THERE IS REALLY NO DISCUSSION NECESSARY. THE DANGER IT POSES TO OUR RESIDENTS ON WILLOW SPRINGS ROAD IS SIGNIFICANT. ALTHOUGH IT LOOKS LIKE IT WOULD SUPPORT A GOOD AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC, IT NARROWS VERY QUICKLY. WE CAN BARELY GET RESIDENTS TO DRIVE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD WITHOUT HAVING TO ZIGZAG AS IT IS. ADDING AN ADDITIONAL COMMUNITY BEHIND US WOULD CAUSE ADDITIONAL CONCERNS . IN ADDITION TO ALL OF THE DAMAGE THAT HAS BEEN CAUSED BY THE RAINS AND THE INCREASING WEATHER CONDITIONS , THIS WILL BE EXACERBATED. AT A RECENT A MEETING THEY SPOKE TO THE COMMUNITY AND UNFORTUNATELY , THEY DIDN'T SHOW UP . THE DEVELOPER, THAT IS. HE DID NOT SHOW UP AND THEY DIDN'T GIVE US ANY NOTICE SAYING THEY WEREN'T ABLE TO MAKE IT FOR WHATEVER REASON. MEANWHILE, THE RESIDENTS FROM SHED STOPPED BY TO PRESENT THEIR CASE AND PROVIDE INFORMATION TO THE RESIDENTS AS TO WHY THIS WOULD BE A BAD IDEA. THANK YOU. >> KATIE? >> [02:05:03] DON'T HAVE A CHANCE AGAINST THE DEVELOPER. I HAVE HEARD THE BOARD SAY , MOST OF THE ROAD IN CLAY COUNTY OR PLANT BEFORE YOU WERE ON THE BOARD. HERE IS YOUR CHANCE TO STOP THIS. COMMISSIONER CELLA, YOU KNOW WHAT WE HAVE ENDURED OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS SINCE YOU HAVE BEEN DIRECTLY INVOLVED WITH THE PROCESS OF THE AREA AND ITS PERFORMANCE. THE SALE OF THE PROPERTY WAS ONE OF THE BIGGEST STUMBLING BLOCKS. THE DEVELOPER DID NOT DO HIS RESEARCH . HE SOLD IT IS READY TO BE DEVELOPED ALTHOUGH THE PROPERTY WASN'T REZONED. THE DEVELOPER PAID SUCH A HIGH PRICE FOR THE PROPERTY THAT THEY ARE WILLING TO GO TO ALL LENGTHS TO GET IT REZONED. THE PROPERTY IS FOR RESIDENTIAL . IT IS NEXT TO A RURAL RESIDENTIAL AREA. LET'S NOT CHANGE THE ZONING. DON'T LOCK US IN BETWEEN ANOTHER HOUSING DEVELOPMENT. AS THE PLANNING AND ZONING TO --BOARD SAID YOU WILL SEPARATE US FROM ROYAL RESIDENTIAL MAKING IT LIKE AN ISLAND. NO ONE ON THE BOARD WOULD BE OKAY WITH ANOTHER HOUSING DEVELOPMENT GOING THROUGH THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD. THE TRAFFIC EXISTING IN WILLOW SPRINGS IS ALREADY AN ISSUE BETWEEN THE KIDS AND THE PARKED CARS, IT IS A ACCIDENT WAITING TO HAPPEN. EVEN IF ALL THE CARS WERE PARKED ON ONE SIDE, WHICH YOU HAVE TALKED ABOUT IT IS STILL NOT FAIR OR SAFE TO THE CURRENT RESIDENTS OF WILLOW SPRINGS TO HAVE ANOTHER 100 POSSIBLE CARS ENTERING AND EXITING THEIR DEVELOPMENT. YES, THERE ARE OTHER DEVELOPMENTS ALL AROUND US. BUT, WE STILL FEEL LIKE WE ARE UNIQUE. WE ARE THE ORIGINAL CLAY COUNTY. LET'S KEEP IT NATURAL AND QUAINT. IF WE BUILD, LET THEM BUILD WITH THE CURRENT ZONING AND NO PUD. THIS IS A TOUGH DECISION PUT BEFORE YOU TONIGHT. GO WITH THE BIG BUILDER OR GO WITH THE RURAL COMMUNITY OF CLAY COUNTY. THIS DECISION WILL BE AN EYE-OPENING FOR MANY OF US WHO ARE LONGTIME RESIDENTS OF CLAY COUNTY. THANK YOU AGAIN FOR EVERYTHING YOU DO. >> THANK YOU. MR. RYAN MERCIES? >> HOW ARE WE DOING? ARE HAVING FUN YET? ALL RIGHT. I LIVE AT 6099 SHED ROAD RIGHT NEXT TO THE PROPOSED SITE. THE REZONING WILL TAKE AWAY FROM OUR RURAL COUNTRY ATMOSPHERE. SHED ROAD HAS ALWAYS BEEN KNOWN FOR A RURAL COMMUNITY. NOT ALL OF CLAY COUNTY IS FOR SELL. HAS THE DEVELOPER OR COUNTY TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION THOSE OF US WHO LIVE IN THE AREA? HOW DOES THE DEVELOPER ALLOW US TO GO AND COME AS PLEASED ? TO THE PLAN ON DIGGING OUT THE ROAD AND PUTTING IN MORE DRAINAGE FOR THE WETLANDS THAT SIT ON EITHER SIDE OF SHED ROAD? MANY OF US HAVE ALREADY GONE THROUGH FLOODING ISSUES. I HAVE BEEN THERE FOR 50 YEARS. THEY WILL DESTROY TREES AND THE POND. EVERYBODY KNOWS ABOUT THE ONGOING FLOOD ISSUES. THE DEVELOPER IS NOT LOOKING OUT FOR THE INTEREST OF US AND THE SAFETY OF THIS AREA. THE ONLY THING LOOKING OUT IN HIS CONCERNS IS HIMSELF. THEY SAID IN THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION THAT THEY WOULD TRY TO MAKE IT A PRIORITY TO TRY TO WIDEN WILLOW SPRINGS . SO, YOU WOULD HAVE TO TALK TO OTHER RESIDENTS DOWN THERE TO ALLOW THEM TO MAKE IT BETTER FOR THEM TO BUILD THERE. AND, ALLOW THE TRAFFIC TO BE OKAY. THAT IS WHAT THEY WERE SAYING. THE DEVELOPER REACHED OUT TO THE H AWAY RESIDENT AND SAID THE SAME THING. I JUST WANT TO POINT THAT OUT. ONE LAST THING [02:10:02] , WHAT HAPPENED TO THE WORKSHOP WITH THE RESIDENTS, BUSINESSES AND HOMEOWNERS AND CONTRACTORS? AS I LOOKED AT ALL THE DUCKS BEING PLACED ON THE BOARDS FROM THE COUNTY , IT SEEMED TO ME THAT RURAL RESIDENTIAL, AGRICULTURAL, PARKS AND RECREATION'S WITH THE MAJOR THINGS PEOPLE WANTED AND WEREN'T INCLUDED IN THE NEW DEVELOPMENT. I THINK THE AFFORDABLE MID-LEVEL HIGH-RISE APARTMENTS ARE HIGHER ON A DART CHART. THIS DECISION THAT YOU MAKE OPEN THE EYES THROUGHOUT OUR COUNTY AND SET UP RESIDENCE -- A PRECEDENT GOING FORWARD. >> THAT IS THE LAST CARD I HAVE. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK? COULD YOU SWEAR YOURSELF IN ? YOU WILL NEED TO FILL OUT A CARD. >> I LIVE IN WILLOW SPRINGS. I'VE BOUGHT THERE A LITTLE OVER TWO YEARS AGO. I USED TO LIVE ON JACKSONVILLE BEACH AND HAD A DIFFERENT LIFESTYLE AND DECIDED TO COME OUT HERE TO THE COUNTRY. I ENJOY DRIVING DOWN SHED ROAD. I WORK FROM HOME AND I WALK MY DOG IN THE MORNING AND I HAVE MY COFFEE OUTSIDE . IT IS REALLY FUN SEEING SEVERAL DON'T TRUCKS GOING BY YOUR HOUSE EVERY DAY . THEY ARE 60 POUND --60,000 POUND TRUCKS AND THEY SHAKE THE ROADS. I CAME OUT TO THE COUNTRY TO GET AWAY FROM ALL OF THE OTHER PEOPLE. I ENJOY SEEING DEER BY THE LAKE AND I FEEL LIKE IT WOULD TAKE AWAY A FOOTPRINT FOR THE ANIMAL AND THE WILDLIFE TO DO WHAT THEY NEED TO DO TO CONTINUE TO THRIVE. I WENT TO SCHOOL FOR LOGISTICS AND I AM NOT SURE THEY HAVE DONE ANY TRAFFIC STUDY FLOWS. I AM NOT FROM THIS COUNTY, BUT IT IS NOT GOOD DECISION-MAKING THE FACT THAT YOU WOULD ALLOW THESE MANY NEW HOUSES ON A TWO LANE ROAD. THAT BLOWS MY MIND. I WOULD CONSIDER GETTING THE INFRASTRUCTURE DONE . I AM ALREADY WANTING TO LEAVE BECAUSE THERE IS SO MUCH BUILDING GOING ON. I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT HAPPENED. THE REALITY IS 315 ALWAYS TO BE FOUR LANES. YOU NEED TO BE A BETTER JOB OF ANALYZING TRAFFIC FLOW. I PERSONALLY, WORK FROM HOME AND THERE IS NO WORLD FOR WILLOW SPRINGS ROAD AS FAR AS WHICH SIDE YOU CAN PARK ON. PEOPLE PARK ON BOTH SIDES OF THE ROAD AND THEY TURN TO LANES INTO A SINGLE LANE. AND CITY TRUCKS COME IN HERE AND IF YOU ADD MORE CARS DOWN SHED ROAD , THE ACCIDENT RISK WILL INCREASE. I HAVE SEEN MANY CHILDREN POP OUT IN FRONT OF CARS. THERE ARE NO RULES IMPLEMENTED ON WILLOW SPRINGS ROAD ON WHICH SITES CARS PARK ON. IT IS A DANGER FOR CHILDREN. I DON'T THINK YOU WANT TO CARRY THE BURDEN OF THE LIFE OF CHILDREN. TRAFFIC FLOW IS INSANE. WE HAVE A NEW TURNPIKE COMING. LET'S GET THOSE THINGS TAKEN CARE OF AND WRAPPED UP OVER THE NEXT TWO YEARS. LET'S GET IT ALL SQUARED AWAY AND THEN LET'S CONSIDER IN THREE OR FOUR YEARS AND ANALYZE SHED ROAD. LET'S GET IT PAVED. THERE ARE A LOT OF DRAINAGE PROBLEMS AND SEVERAL THINGS TO LOOK AT. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. DID YOU GET SWORN IN? DID YOU FILL OUT A CARD? OKAY. >> FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK. MY NAME IS DENNIS GRIFFITH AND I LIVE ON LAWTON PLACE WHICH IS BESIDES WILLOW SPRINGS. I AM A HOMEOWNER AND I AM VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THIS SITUATION. I HAVE A SMALL POODLE THAT I WALK UP AND DOWN THE SIDEWALK AT 9:00 IN THE MORNING AT ABOUT 5:00 IN THE AFTERNOON. IF WE [02:15:06] DON'T DO THAT HE COMES AND GETS ME. I SEE WHAT IS HAPPENING TO THE COMMUNITY. WITH 379 HOMES THERE IS ALREADY A GOGGLE OF TRAFFIC. ALMOST TO THE POINT IT IS MORE THAN CAN BE HANDLED. I SEE PEOPLE SPEEDING AND I SEE PEOPLE GOING THROUGH STOP SIGNS. I SEE A VERY , VERY DANGEROUS SITUATION. THE GOOD PEOPLE OF SHED ROAD, I UNDERSTAND HAVE WORKED FOR YEARS TO TRY TO KEEP THAT ROAD AND KEEP THE AMBIENCE AND THE COMMUNITY BACK THERE. THERE ARE DRAINAGE ISSUES, NUMBER ONE. NUMBER TWO IS THE TRAFFIC. IT IS SIMPLY NOT A PLACE TO BUILD ANOTHER SUBDIVISION . IT IS HEMMED IN BY WILLOW SPRINGS . IT IS NOT A GO AND I STRONGLY ENCOURAGE YOU TO NOT OPEN A BUCKET OF WORMS BECAUSE WE HAVE ENOUGH WORMS WE ARE DEALING WITH IN OUR COMMUNITY. I AM HERE ON BEHALF OF THE PRESIDENT OF WILLOW SPRINGS . HE SAID NO CONTINUANCE AND NO WITH THIS PROJECT. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. IF YOU COULD FILL OUT A CARD BEFORE YOU LEAVE. ANYONE ELSE WISH TO SPEAK ON THIS SUBJECT? I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. BACK TO THE DEVELOPER. >> THANK YOU. OBVIOUSLY , THE NEIGHBORS HAVE ADDRESSED SEVERAL CONCERNS THAT, IF I HAD GIVEN MY FULL PRESENTATION WE WOULD HAVE BROUGHT UP AND SHOWED HOW WE WERE PLANNING ON ADDRESSING ALL OF THOSE. I DON'T HAVE THE FULL PRESENTATION TONIGHT. I ONLY HAVE A LIMITED NUMBER OF SLIDES AND I AM HAPPY TO SHOW THEM. IF IT IS ANY BENEFIT TO YOU , I WOULD LIKE TO DO THAT. WE ARE ATTEMPTING TO ADDRESS THESE THINGS. WE APOLOGIZE THAT WE WERE NOT IN ATTENDANCE AT THE MEETING FOR THE H OA. WE WERE TOLD THE DATE BUT NEVER GIVEN A LOCATION. SO, WE WERE UNABLE TO ATTEND. IT DOESN'T MAKE IT ANY BETTER, BUT IT IS HARD TO ATTEND SOMETHING YOU DON'T KNOW THE LOCATION. I HOPE YOU APPROVE A REQUEST FOR CONTINUANCE TO THE FEHERVARY 27TH MEETING TO ALLOW THE PROPERTY OWNER TO BE HERE TO SPEAK ON THIS PROJECT. HE IS PLANNING ON BUILDING A NEIGHBORHOOD AND ALSO PLANNING ON BEING A HOMEOWNER IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. HE IS NOT JUST PLANNING TO DEVELOP IT AND SELL IT TO SOMEONE ELSE. HE WANTS TO BUILD AND LIVE IN THIS COMMUNITY. THE OTHER REQUEST I HAVE IS , IF YOU ARE NOT WILLING AND ABLE TO ENTERTAIN A CONTINUANCE AT THIS TIME WE WOULD REQUEST A FORMAL WITHDRAWAL AT THIS TIME. I THINK THAT IS ALL I HAVE TO SAY LETS YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. >> THANK YOU. >> MR. CHAIR, I HAVE A QUESTION. UNDER THE CURRENT ZONING AND LAND-USE, I READ THAT WHEN THIS PROPERTY WAS FOR SALE , IT SAID THERE WAS A CURRENT HOME ON THE PROPERTY , A SINGLE-FAMILY HOME , BUT IT IS 20 ACRES. MY QUESTION IS , ISN'T IT ZONED RURAL RESIDENTIAL? SO, MY QUESTION FOR YOU IS, WHAT COULD BE PUT ON THERE TODAY WITH NO ZONING OR LAND-USE CHANGE? >> THE PERMITTED DENSITY WOULD BE ONE UNIT 45 ACRES. OBVIOUSLY , WE HAVE TOO MANY UNITS ON THAT PARCEL RIGHT NOW , WHICH WOULD BE SORT OF A NONCONFORMING SITUATION. BUT, IT COULD BE DEVELOPED AS ONE UNIT ON FIVE ACRES WITH SEPTIC. REALTORS ADVERTISEMENT FOR WHEN IT IS SOLD , IT SAID SOMETHING THAT WAS A BIT CONCERNING TO ME THAT I THINK IS RELEVANT TO THE CONVERSATION. IT SAID THERE IS AN UPSIDE LIFT STATION ON SOUTH BORDER ON THE PROPERTY LINE DESIGNED FOR ADDITIONAL LOT CAPACITY. DO YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THAT? WE HEARD TONIGHT SOMEONE SAID THAT THE PREVIOUS OWNER ADVERTISED THIS PROPERTY , AND THEY DO IN THE MIDDLE OF A HOT RESIDENTIAL ENVIRONMENT. A LIFT STATION IS CONCERNING TO ME. >> I AM NOT FAMILIAR WITH THAT. MAYBE THE APPLICANT KNOWS THERE IS A LIFT STATION OR NOT. >> I AM NOT AN ENGINEER. IT [02:20:01] IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT A LIFT STATION WITH THE CAPACITY FOR UP TO 80 OR 85 HOMES WAS ADDED AT THAT PROPERTY , NOT BY THE PREVIOUS OWNER, BUT BY THE UTILITIES WHEN THAT WILLOW UTILITY EXPANSION OCCURRED . ADDITIONAL CAPACITY WAS ADDED TO ENTERTAIN APPROXIMATELY ANOTHER 80 UNITS AT THAT TIME. IT WAS ENVISIONED WHEN UTILITIES WENT IN THAT ADDITIONAL HOMES COULD BE BUILT IN THE IMMEDIATE VICINITY OF ONE OF THESE PARCELS. >> SO, NOT AN OWNER AND THAT IS WHY THERE WAS NOT A ZONING CHANGE. >> CORRECT. THE SELLER WHO OPERATED ON THE SITE AS A FARM DID NOT PUT IN THAT LIFT STATION, BUT IT WAS PUT IN WITH THE INTENTION OR EXPECTATION THAT ADDITIONAL HOMES WOULD BE BUILT IN THAT AREA IN THE FUTURE. >> INTERESTING TO THANK YOU. THOSE ARE MY QUESTIONS. >> ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE DEVELOPER? NOW, I HAVE TO ASK THE QUESTION. ARE WE CONTINUING THIS OR WITHDRAWING IT? WE HAVE RUN INTO THIS QUESTION BEFORE. CAN DEVELOP OR WITHDRAW TONIGHT? >> YES. SHE COULD. >> WHAT IS YOUR DESIRE? CONTINUANCE , WE WOULD PREFER TO HAVE A WITHDRAWAL. >> DO SEE LIGHT AT THE END OF THIS TALENT? >> WE HOPE SO. WE UNDERSTAND THE CHALLENGES THAT ARE IN FRONT OF US. BUT, SINCE I DO NOT HAVE MY FULL TEAM HERE I AM LIMITED WITH WHAT I CAN SAY. >> I UNDERSTAND. THANK YOU. >> MR. CHAIR, IF I COULD. AS WE LOOK AT THIS PROJECT AND ALL OF US HAVE BEEN THROUGH PLANNING AND ZONING , WE REALIZE THAT MANY OF THE ISSUES THAT ARE BEING TALKED ABOUT ART GOING TO BE SOLVED ANYTIME SOON. SO, WE ARE LEFT WITH ANALYZING AND LOOKING AT THE DEVELOPMENT, AS TO WHETHER IT IS PROPERLY ABLE TO FIT IN THERE OR WHETHER IT IS NOT. I ALWAYS JUDGE DEVELOPMENTS AND PROJECTS LIKE THESE , IF IT IS SMART GROWTH OR NOT. IS THAT THE RIGHT PROJECT FOR THE RIGHT SPACE? THAT IS MY SMART GROWTH EQUATION. MY ANSWER TO THIS IS, NO. I TAKE EXCEPTION. I DON'T BELIEVE IT IS A GREAT DEVELOPMENT. I DON'T DISAGREE THAT IT IS LOCATED IN THE WRONG PLACE. IT CONTINUES TO AMAZE ME THAT WE HAVE SO MANY THOUSANDS OF ACRES IN CLAY COUNTY THAT ARE NOT DEVELOPED AND ARE IN AREAS THAT DON'T HAVE THE PROBLEMS THIS PARTICULAR PARCEL HAS AND BUILDERS AND DEVELOPERS CONTINUE TO WANT TO PUT A ROUND PEG INTO A SQUARE HOLE. FOR THEM TO BE ABLE TO MAKE THEIR WITHDRAWAL , I GUESS I NEED TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE WILL NOT CONTINUE THIS AT THIS POINT . YOU CAN CARRY IT FROM THERE IN TERMS OF WHETHER WE GO THROUGH WITH IT OR WE STOPPED JUST SHORT OF THAT AND ALLOW THEM TO WITHDRAW. I MAKE THE MOTION THAT THERE IS NO CONTINUANCE. >> YOUR MOTION IS TO DENY THE CONTINUANCE? >> I WILL SECOND THAT MOTION. >> SO, I COULD VERY EASILY NOT SAY ANYTHING ABOUT THIS BECAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE THE DECISION HAS ALREADY BEEN MADE BUT, THIS ITEM IS SOMETHING VERY PERSONAL TO ME. I NEED TO SAY SOMETHING. THERE ARE MANY THINGS THAT THIS BOARD DOES NOT KNOW ABOUT THIS ITEM. BUT, I HAVE BEEN ATTACKED AND I AM NOT HAPPY ABOUT WHAT WAS SAID ABOUT ME, PERSONALLY. I WAS TOLD THAT I HAVE CONTACTED ALL THE COMMISSIONERS AND TOLD THEM ALL ABOUT THE UNDERLYING FACTORS IN THIS ITEM . THAT IS [02:25:03] NOT TRUE. I TAKE THAT VERY PERSONAL. I GO BY WHAT I SAID UNDER OATH AND THAT IS THAT I WOULD NOT SPEAK TO ANY OF THEM ABOUT ANY OF THE ITEMS BEFORE A VOTE. IT IS CALLED THE SUNSHINE LAW AND WE GO BUY IT. I CAN GUARANTEE ARE YOU RIGHT NOW THAT EVERY SINGLE ONE ON THIS DAIS BELIEVES IN THAT SAME THING. I WAS TOLD THAT THIS WAS THE BIGGEST HURT, THAT I HIDE BEHIND MY RELIGION. ALL THE STUFF ON FACEBOOK , THEY CAN SAY EVERYTHING THEY WANT, BUT TO SAY THAT ABOUT SOMEONE I KNOW AND THAT KNOWS ME PERSONALLY, THAT I'M A BAD PERSON , PLEASE KNOW THAT IT IS NOT TAKEN LIGHTLY. I AM SORRY IF BAD DECISIONS WERE MADE ON THIS PROPERTY , BUT THAT IS NOT MY FAULT. THAT IS ALL I HAVE TO SAY. THANK YOU. >> ANY OTHER COMMENTS? WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. LET ME JUST MAKE MY COMMENT. I FEEL BAD THAT THE DEVELOPER HAS NOT HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT THE FULL STORY TO US. THEREFORE, I WILL NOT VOTE FOR THE DENIAL TO THE CONTINUANCE. WE HAVE A PROCESS WHERE THE DEVELOPER GOES TO PNG AND COMES TO COUNSEL AND THE HEAVY OPTION TO DENY THAT . I DON'T SEE A LIGHT AT THE END OF THE TUNNEL, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU . BUT, THE DEVELOPER MAY. BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT HERE TO PRESENT TONIGHT , I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEIR THOUGHTS ARE. >> MR. CHAIR, IF I COULD? I WOULD LIKE TO TENDER THE MOTION . THE DEVELOPER NEW WHEN THE MEETING WAS. HE CHOSE NOT TO BE HERE. THE BOTTOM LINE IS, IT COULDN'T BE THAT IMPORTANT FOR HIM TO BE HERE IF HE DIDN'T MAKE ARRANGEMENTS TO BE HERE, UNLESS THERE WAS SOME KIND OF AN EMERGENCY. >> IT ENDED UP BEING A LAST-MINUTE EMERGENCY THAT CALLED HIM AWAY. >> I WILL TAKE THAT AT FACE VALUE , BUT I STILL THINK THAT THERE IS ENOUGH BEING SAID AND ENOUGH BEING DONE IN TERMS AS WHAT WAS PRESENTED TO MAKE THE DENIAL AT THIS POINT IN TIME. LET'S TAKE THE NEIGHBORS IN THAT PARTICULAR AREA . THEY HAVE BEEN COMING TO MEETING AFTER MEETING AFTER MEETING. IT IS BEING HELD OVER THEIR HEADS. I THINK IT IS TIME TO END IT. >> I WOULD ECHO COMMISSIONER CELLA SENTIMENTS. THE LAKE ASBURY COMMUNITY IS INTERESTING TO ME BECAUSE THEY COME TO US AND TALK TO US ABOUT STUFF AND WE SIT UP HERE AND LOOK LIKE WE MAY NOT CARE. IT IS BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING ABOUT IT AND IT IS A SURPRISE TO US. WE LEARNED ABOUT THIS PROJECT RIGHT HERE. THE FACT THAT IT COULD BE A SHOCK-- I HAD A FAMILY EMERGENCY LAST WEEK I WILL SPEAK ABOUT THAT LATER. THOSE THINGS HAPPEN, BUT I THINK THE UNFORTUNATE THING IS THIS OWNER PAID $2.5 MILLION FOR A PIECE OF PROPERTY WITHOUT KNOWING IF THEY COULD GET THE ZONING CHANGED. THAT IS NOT OUR RESPONSIBILITY. AND, WE SEEM TO HAVE A THEME. I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU SAID COMMISSIONER, ABOUT OUR PROCESS. HOWEVER, WE SEEM TO HAVE A THEME WITH CERTAIN OWNERS OR AGENTS THAT SEEM TO THINK THEY CAN COME AND WHEN THEY THINK IT IS NOT GOING TO GO THEIR WAY, ASK US FOR A CONTINUANCE TO TRY TO MASSAGE A WAY TO MAKE IT GO THEIR WAY. I HAVE HAD A THEME AND I DON'T SUPPORT THIS. >> I ECHO MR. CHAIR AND THE PRINCIPLE LEADS ME TO VOTE AGAINST THIS TONIGHT, BUT NOT BECAUSE I SEE A CLEAR PATH FORWARD. I AM HEARING THE COMPLAINTS OF LAKE ASBURY. I HEAR YOU AND I DON'T DISAGREE WITH YOU. AS A MATTER OF [02:30:01] PRINCIPLE I DO THINK IT IS APPROPRIATE TO STAND , OR TO HAVE THE APPLICANT ADDRESSED IT AND SAY NO TO THEIR FACE, RATHER THAN TO DO IT NOW. THAT IS JUST MY PREFERENCE. I WON'T BE ABLE TO VOTE FOR THIS DENIAL EITHER. LITTLE BIT, SORRY ABOUT THAT. I WOULD LIKE TO SAY A FEW OTHER THINGS ABOUT THIS. WHEN I FIRST BECAME COMMISSIONER THE PEOPLE IN THIS AREA HAD BEEN UNDER THE UNDERSTANDING THAT WILLOW SPRINGS WOULD ACTUALLY, AND IN A CUL-DE-SAC AND THEY WOULD NOT ACTUALLY BE COMING ONTO OR THROUGH SHED ROAD. UNFORTUNATELY, AS WE SEE MANY TIMES, THE DEVELOPER SOFFIT TO CLOSE DOWN THE END OF SHED ROAD AT 315 SO THEY COULD BUILD MORE HOMES ON THAT PROPERTY. THEREFORE , WILLOW SPRINGS RESIDENTS ARE NOW HAVING TO DEAL WITH WHAT YOU ARE HEARING. AND, I WAS COMING HOME FROM MY SONS BASEBALL GAME THAT DAY AND THE RESIDENTS WERE CALLING ME. I HAD JUST BECOME COMMISSIONER AND THERE WAS AN OPENING IN THE CUL-DE-SAC AND THEY WERE FREAKING OUT. THIS IS WHAT THEY HAD BEEN FIGHTING AGAINST. THEY HAD BEEN TOLD AND LIED TO BY THE DEVELOPER. WE HAD NO SAY IN THE COUNTY BECAUSE IT WAS THEIR PROPERTY. SO, THEY WERE ALLOWED TO DO THAT. NOW, WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO DEAL WITH THESE THINGS LATER BECAUSE OF THE FLOODING ISSUES AND WHAT THE FLOOD STUDY SHOWS. WE ARE NOW GOING TO HAVE TO BE FACED WITH TRYING TO DO SOMETHING WITH IT TO GET PROPER DRAINAGE TOWARDS BLACK CREEK AND TO GO IN THE PROPER DIRECTION. THAT IS GOING TO BE MORE MONEY THAT THE COUNTY WILL HAVE TO LOOK AT SPENDING. I AM REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT THESE ISSUES AND THAT IS A HIDDEN PIECE OF THE PUZZLE THAT WE DON'T KNOW ABOUT THIS PROPERTY. WE WILL BE FACED WITH IT LATER. I DO SEE WHAT YOU ARE SAYING. I KIND OF HAVE A PROBLEM WITH RESIDENTS WHO CALLED ME AND SAID THEY WERE GIVEN THE WRONG ADDRESS FOR THE TOWN HALL. I GUESS IT WAS THE GREEN COVE SACRED HEART INSTEAD OF THE FLEMING ISLAND. HOWEVER, IF THEY REACHED OUT TO THESE RESIDENTS AND INSTEAD DIDN'T EVEN SHOW UP. THEY FOUND A WAY TO COME TO THESE PEOPLE'S HOUSES TO LOOK AT THE PROPERTY, BUT THEY CAN'T FIND A WAY TO CALL AND FIND OUT WHERE THIS MEETING WAS? IT SOUNDS A LITTLE BIT CRAZY TO ME. >> ANY OTHER COMMENTS? WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND TO DENY THE CONTINUANCE. ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS OR CONCERNS? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. ALL THOSE NOT IN FAVOR, SAY NAY . IT PASSES 3-2. >> WE ARE ON TO ITEM NUMBER 14. >> FOR THE RECORD, ARE YOU WITHDRAWING YOUR APPLICATION? CAN YOU PLEASE GET UP AND SAY THAT? >> SINCE OUR CONTINUANCE WAS DENIED WE WOULD REQUEST TO WITHDRAW OUR APPLICATION. BOTH OF THEM. >> SO, THE QUESTION IS TO WITHDRAW THE APPLICATION. [14.  Final Public Hearing to consider adoption of COMP 23-0017 and ZON 23-0027. (District 5, Comm. Burke) (S. Olsen)] >> WE WILL MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER 14. THE FINAL PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER THE ADOPTION OF COMP PLAN 23-00 17 AND ZONING 23-00 27. IT IS THE APPLICATION FOR A LAND USE MAP AMENDMENT OF .26 ACRES OF A 1.6 ACRE PARCEL FROM RURAL FRINGE TO COMMERCIAL. AND, A ZONING CHANGE. DO WE HAVE THE APPLICANT HERE? >> THE APPLICANT HAD AN EMERGENCY , BUT THE OWNERS ARE HERE. >> I AM NOT SURE I AM QUALIFIED TO TALK TO YOU. >> WE ARE NOT SURE WE ARE QUALIFIED TO LISTEN TO YOU. >> MR. CHAIR, CAN WE HAVE A STAFF REPORT ON THIS ONE? WE [02:35:04] DIDN'T HAVE A STAFF REPORT ON THE PREVIOUS ONE. >> OKAY. >> WOULD YOU GIVE IT TO US? >> OH, THE SLIDESHOW? >> YES. THE APPLICANT IS INTEGRATED ACCESS SOLUTIONS LLC. THE AGENT IS JANIS FLEET. IT IS IN THE GREEN COVE SPRINGS PLANNING DISTRICT AND IN COMMISSIONER BURKE'S DISTRICT. THE APPLICATION IS FOR A SINGLE PARCEL THAT IS ABOUT 1.6 ACRES LOCATED AT 3029 U.S. HIGHWAY 17. THE LAND USE CHANGE IS FOR .26 ACRES AND IT IS REQUESTING TO GO FROM RURAL FRINGE TO COMMERCIAL. THE ZONING APPLICATION IS FOR .105 ACRES OF THE SAME PARCEL AND IT IS REQUESTING A CHANGE FROM COMMERCIAL AND PROFESSIONAL OFFICE DISTRICT TO SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL . THEY ARE ASKING TO TAKE THAT CHUNK AND CONVERT IT COMPLETELY TO BB-TWO , WHICH IS A COMMUNITY BUSINESS DISTRICT. HERE ARE THE MAPS SHOWING THE LAND-USE ON THE LEFT AS IT EXISTS NOW. ON THE RIGHT IS WHAT THEY ARE REQUESTING. IT IS PRETTY MUCH THE LAND USE THAT WILL LINE UP WITH THE LOT TO THE NORTH WITH THE LITTLE STRIP INTERRUPTING IT. IT IS ADDING ABOUT 100 FEET TO THE COMMERCIAL LAND-USE. THE REQUESTED ZONING IS BB-2 AND IT ALLOWS FOR APPLIANCE SALES AND SERVICES, BUSINESS MACHINES SALES AND SERVICE, HEATING VENTILATION AND AIR CONDITIONING AND INDOOR OR OUTDOOR STORAGE IS NOT ALLOWED. THE ZONING IS MORE OF A RESIDENTIAL COMMERCIAL LIGHT DOCTORS AND DENTIST BUILDINGS. IT LIMITS BUILDINGS TO 2500 SQUARE FEET PER STRUCTURE. THOSE ARE THE PUBLIC NOTICE SIGNS THAT WERE POSTED WITH THE ADDRESSES THAT RECEIVED NOTICE LETTERS. STAFF FIND THAT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT APPLICATION MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS AND SO WOULD RECOMMEND APPROVAL. WE ALSO BELIEVE THAT THE BB-2 ZONING IS APPROPRIATE FOR THE AREA AND RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THAT, AS WELL. THE PLANNING COMMISSION VOTED 6-0 TO APPROVE BASED ON THAT BB-2 ZONING. ANY QUESTIONS? >> ANY QUESTIONS FORCE STAFF? OWNERS? DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD? OKAY. >> MR. CHAIR , MAYBE I COULD GET YOU TO GIVE ME AN IDEA OF WHAT YOU WILL DO WITH THAT PROPERTY WENT TO CHANGE THE ZONING. >> WE WOULD LIKE TO BRING OUR STAFF BACK HOME. ONE STRUCTURE WOULD BE HOME AUTOMATION AND IT WILL BE VERY STYLISH . WE WOULD LIKE TO RUN OUR OFFICE OUT OF THERE. >> ARE YOU DOING THAT NOW IN JACKSONVILLE AT YOUR LOCATION QUICK >> YES. >> WHAT IS THE APPROXIMATE IN TERMS OF CUSTOMERS COMING TO YOUR OFFICE QUICK >> IT IS PRIMARILY TECHNICIANS COMING. >> HOW MANY DO YOU HAVE YOU WORKING? >> 14 . >> VERY GOOD, THANK YOU. THAT WASN'T THAT HARD. >> WE DON'T BITE THAT HARD. ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS OR CONCERNS ? >> I RECOMMEND APPROVAL. >> SECOND. >> SORRY, PUBLIC HEARING. >> ALL RIGHT. WE WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. ANYONE WISH TO SPEAK TO THIS? WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. WE NEED TWO DIFFERENT VOTES. >> I RECOMMEND APPROVAL ON THE FIRST ONE. [02:40:03] >> I WILL SECONDED. >> THE MOTION AND SECOND TO APPROVE THE COMP PLAN CHANGE. IT WILL CHANGE FROM RURAL FRINGE TO COMMERCIAL. ANY OTHER CONCERNS? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. >> ALL THOSE NOT IN FAVOR, SAY NAY. WE WILL MOVE ON TO THE SECOND PROPOSAL. THAT IS THE ZONING CHANGE TO BB-2. >> RECOMMEND APPROVAL. >> SECOND. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND. ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, OR CONCERNS? DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. ALL THOSE NOT IN FAVOR, SAY NAY . IT PASSES 5-0. THANK YOU. AND, THANK YOU. THANKS FOR [15.  Public Hearing to consider adoption of ZON-1023-00024 (District 5, Comm. Burke) (M. Brown)] BRINGING YOUR EMPLOYEES BACK TO CLAY COUNTY. >> ITEM NUMBER 15, PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER ADOPTION OF ZONING 1023-00024 DISTRICT V DIJ. THIS IS THE REZONING OF 2.45 ACRES FROM NEIGHBORHOOD BUSINESS TO COMMERCIAL RECREATION BB-5. STAFF? >> THE APPLICANT FOR THIS APPLICATION IS LISTED HERE. THIS IS A ZONING REQUEST TO CHANGE 2.45 ACRES FROM NEIGHBORHOOD BUSINESS TO COMMERCIAL RECREATION . THE PARCEL IS LOCATED AT 307 HIGHWAY 17 IN GREEN COVE SPRINGS. IT IS IN THE GREEN COVE SPRINGS PLANNING DISTRICT AND COMMISSION DISTRICT V DIJ AND WAS SERVED AT THE JANUARY 2, 2023 HEARING MEETING. THIS IS AN AREA SHOWING THE LOCATION OF THE PARCEL. IT IS THE TRIANGULAR SHAPE WHICH HAS 209 RUNNING ALONG THE BACK. THE PARCEL IS DESIGNATED COMMERCIAL FOR FUTURE LAND-USE. IT IS ALREADY DEVELOPED WITH 3120 SQUARE FOOT COMMERCIAL BUILDING WHICH WAS RECENTLY CONVERTED TO A RESTAURANT . THE PARCEL DOES HAVE DIRECT ACCESS ONTO HIGHWAY 17 . THE PRESENT ZONING OF BA ALLOWS RESTAURANTS SELLING ALCOHOL LIMITED TO ONLY BEER AND WINE. THE DESIRE BY THE OWNER IS TO ALLOW OTHER ALCOHOL SALES BESIDES JUST BEER AND WINE. OUTSIDE OF THE TWO MASTERPLAN AREAS, THE ONLY ZONING DISTRICTS WHICH PERMIT RESTAURANTS SELLING ALCOHOLIC BEER AND WINE ARE BB, BSC AND BB-5 DISTRICTS. YOU CANNOT REZONE TO BB ANYMORE IN THE COUNTY. AND, THE BSC DISTRICT WHICH IS THE SHOPPING CENTER DISTRICT REQUIRES A MINIMUM OF FIVE ACRES. THE ONLY REAL OPTION FOR THE APPLICANT IS TO SEEK THE BB-5 ZONING . THIS SHOWS YOU THE SURROUNDING ZONING AROUND THE PARCEL TO THE NORTH. WE HAVE BA-2 AND MOST OF THOSE ARE SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL UNITS WHICH ARE ALLOWED IN BA-2. ACROSS 209 IS SINGLE-FAMILY ZONING. ACROSS 17 YOU HAVE BB AND BA-2 ZONING WITH VARIOUS COMMERCIAL USES. TO THE SOUTH ACROSS THE BLUFF YOU HAVE BB AND ARE A , WHICH ARE PRESENTLY UNDERDEVELOPED. IN SUMMARY , THEY ARE REQUESTING A CHANGE FROM BA TO BB-5 FOR 2.45 ACRES . THE REQUESTED REZONING IS CONSISTENT WITH THE FUTURE LAND-USE . BB-5 IS THE ONLY AVAILABL ZONING DISTRICT TO ALLOW THE SALE OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES AT A RESTAURANT NOT LIMITED TO ONLY BEER AND WINE. STAFF HAS REVIEWED THE APPLICATION AND DETERMINE THE REQUEST IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING AREA. PLANNING COMMISSION UNANIMOUSLY VOTED [02:45:03] ON JANUARY 2ND, 2024 AND STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL . ANY QUESTIONS ? >> I HAVE A QUESTION. THIS USED TO BE A LIQUOR STORE BEFORE IT WAS TRANSITIONED TO A RESTAURANT. >> IT WAS APPROVED LONG BEFORE I GOT HERE. TO BE HONEST, -- >>--IS IT A NONCONFORMING LIQUOR STORE QUICK >> AT THE TIME, I BELIEVE IT RECEIVED APPROPRIATE APPROVALS. I AM STILL AT A LOSS TO TELL YOU HOW BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHAT WOULD'VE BEEN ALLOWED AT THAT TIME AT THAT SITE. >> ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? I WILL OPEN PUBLIC HEARING. ANYBODY WISH TO SPEAK ON THIS SUBJECT? >> THE AGENT FOR THE APPLICANT IS HERE. >> I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. IS THE AGENT OR APPLICANT HERE? >> GOOD EVENING. DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME? >> ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? >> SO THE KITCHEN IS UP AND RUNNING. IS THIS CHANGE GOING TO BENEFIT YOU THERE AT THE EXISTING RESTAURANT? OR, IS THERE SOMETHING COMING BEHIND THIS THAT WILL TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THIS? >> IT IS MOSTLY FOR THE EXISTING. WE HAVE HAD DISCUSSIONS, BUT NOTHING IS FINALIZED BEYOND THE EXISTING RESTAURANT. WE DO HAVE PLANS TO EXTEND SEATING TO 125 . IN ORDER TO HAVE ON PREMISES LIQUOR LICENSE YOU HAVE TO HAVE 125 SEATS. WE HAVE APPLIED FOR A BUILDING PERMIT TO EXTEND THE BUILDING FOR 125 SEATS. BEYOND THAT, NOTHING IS CONCRETE. >> SO, TECHNICALLY HE IS NOT EVEN IN A POSITION TO BE ABLE TO ACCEPT THE REZONING. HE IS NOT ABLE, PHYSICALLY TO ACCOMMODATE THE 125 PEOPLE. >> BUT, HE CAN REQUEST THE BB-5. >> YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO IMPLEMENT IT. >> TO GET THAT LICENSEE WILL HAVE TO EXPAND. >> SO, HE WON'T BE ABLE TO IMPLEMENT THAT AND BE SELLING ALCOHOLIC AVERAGES UNTIL HE DOES HAVE IT. >> HE WILL HAVE TO GET THAT EXTRA LICENSING FROM THE STATE. AND AFTER EXPANSION. >> BEFORE THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION , I THINK THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT ADDITIONAL RESTAURANTS IN THAT AREA. IS THAT STILL SOMETHING THAT WOULD APPLY TO THAT IDEA QUICK >> YES, BUT NOT SERVING ALCOHOL FOR A FULL BAR. THE MOMENT WE DO HAVE PLANS FOR A DRIVE-THROUGH FOR COFFEE AT THE END OF THE PARCEL . I WAS INTENDING TO RETELL ON THE BOTTOM AND OFFICES ON TOP AND WE DID HAVE A SITE PLAN FOR A PCD BUT WE DIDN'T WANT TO TYPE IT UP INTO A DESIGNATED SITE PLAN . WE WANTED TO DO IT ONE THING AT A TIME IN PHASES. WE HAVE A GOOD BUSINESS AND WE WOULD LIKE TO EXPAND THE RESTAURANT FIRST. I DON'T THINK AT THAT PARCEL WE WOULD HAVE MORE THAN ONE RESTAURANT SERVING ALCOHOL . WE WOULD BE COMPETING WITH EACH OTHER, BUT WE DO ENVISION A DRIVE-THROUGH COFFEE SHOP OR SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE IN SOME FUTURE DATE. >> IS THIS THE FAMILY BUSINESS QUICK >> IT IS. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? >> IS THIS ONLY TO BENEFIT THE RESTAURANT THAT IS THERE? DO YOU NEED THAT ZONING TO GET A COFFEE SHOP IN THE NEXT PROPERTY QUICK >> NO, NOT FOR THE COFFEESHOP. WE CAN DO A COFFEE SHOP AT THE CURRENT TIME WITH THE CURRENT ZONING. IF I READ THIS RIGHT , WE CAN DO IT BY REQUESTING A BB-FIVE DIJ. SINCE THIS IS [02:50:07] THE ONLY BUSINESS OPERATING RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE CUSTOMERS REQUESTING A DRINK. DOING IT IN PHASES BY DOING THIS WE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO DO SOME OTHER RETAIL LOCATIONS , BUT WE HAVE TO TAKE CARE OF WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW . WE MIGHT HAVE TO COME BACK AGAIN IN FRONT OF YOU. IF WE DO BB-FIVE DIJ WE WILL ENVISION A COFFEE SHOP DRIVE-THROUGH RIGHT NOW. WE MIGHT HAVE TO BE IN FRONT OF YOU NEXT YEAR SOMETIME WITH THE WHOLE SITE DEVELOPMENT IF IT DOES BEYOND THIS. THERE WAS A LIQUOR STORE THERE BEFORE. WE HAD THIS CONVERSATION WITH CHAD AND HE WENT TO THE COMMISSIONERS AT THE MOMENT AND THERE WAS A CONVERSATION ABOUT ALCOHOL BEING OVER 5%. IT IS A GRAY AREA AND THE COUNTY O CF1 O COMMISSIONERS DECIDED IT WAS CONFORMING AND IT WAS SIGNED OFF ON. IT IS LIMITING ME ON FUTURE DEVELOPMENT. AT LEAST IN THE BB-5 WE CAN YIELD TO THE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT I ENVISION FOR THIS PARCEL. BB-5 IS NOT REQUIRED FOR THE COFFEESHOP, JUST FOR THE RESTAURANT SELLING ALCOHOL. >> SO, THE LIQUOR LICENSE THAT WAS WITH IT DOES NOT STAND UP FOR THIS BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T SERVE LIQUOR ? >> IS THAT WHAT THE DEAL WAS? >> THAT WAS AN OFF MISSES CONSUMPTION LICENSE. THIS IS ACTUALLY IN THE RESTAURANT. THIS IS IN CONJUNCTION WITH FOOD SO THEY HAVE STRICT STIPULATIONS. YOU HAVE TO 50% MORE OF THE SALES COMING FROM THE LIQUOR PORTIONS >> I DO KNOW THAT ADULT ENTERTAINMENT IS BB-5. WE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO DO THAT BECAUSE OF THE HOMES BEHIND IT . HOWEVER, IF THERE WERE NO HOMES THEN, WHAT HAPPENS WHEN WE CAN DO IT? >> THE RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICT I MEASURED IT AND EVERY SQUARE FOOT OF THAT PARCEL FALLS WITHIN THE DISTANCE LIMITS PICK >> ON BOTH SIDES OF THE ROAD AS WELL AS BEHIND THEM? >> THE ONES BEHIND THEM EXTEND A LITTLE CORNER ON THE VERY SOUTH WEST CORNER OF THAT PARCEL >> I HAVE A COMMENT. I THINK WE NEED TO CONSIDER CHANGING OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. WHEN YOU READ BB-5 , ALL OF IT SOUNDS GREAT EXCEPT THE ADULT ENTERTAINMENT. THAT IS THE WAY THAT PLACES LIKE BOWLING ALLEYS AND RESTAURANTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT CAN SERVE ALCOHOL. NOT THAT I AM PROMOTING THE SERVING OF ALCOHOL, BUT I THINK THAT WHEN OUR RESIDENTS TELL US THEY WANT RECREATIONAL FACILITIES , IT IS THE CONVERSATION WE ALWAYS HAVE ABOUT ADULT ENTERTAINMENT . IF YOU GO A COUPLE SITES OVER THERE IS A PROPERTY MORE OF CONCERN THAT IS ZONED BB AND IT WOULD HAVE THE RESIDENTIAL, AS WELL. THE CONCERN WOULD BE THAT NOBODY WOULD THINK THINGS WOULD CHANGE. MY CONCERN IS THAT WE HAVE THIS ZONING THAT HAS THIS OUTLIER, I WOULD SAY. IRONICALLY ENOUGH, THERE ARE PLACES THAT HAVE ADULT ENTERTAINMENT IN THEIR MUNICIPALITIES OR COUNTIES THAT DON'T ALLOW ALCOHOL SALES . BECAUSE LAW ENFORCEMENT TELLS YOU THAT WITH TWO COMBINED THERE ARE MORE PROBLEMS. THOSE ARE MY THOUGHTS ON IT. I HAVE READ ON FACEBOOK THAT PEOPLE LOVE YOUR FOOD , SO I THINK I [02:55:02] AM GLAD IT IS NOT READ ANYMORE. THANK YOU FOR PAINTING THE OUT SIDE OF THE STORE. I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH YOU AND WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO. IF WE CAN ADDRESS THE ADULT ENTERTAINMENT, COMMISSIONER BURKE , THANK YOU FOR ASKING THAT PART OF IT. THAT WAS MY CONCERN. THIS ZONING DOES ALLOW ANCILLARY RETAIL SALES. I THINK YOU COULD FIGURE OUT HOW TO BE CREATIVE. >> THAT WAS MY QUESTION TO STAFF. >> IF YOU COULD INTERPRET IT THAT WAY, THAT WOULD MAKE OUR LIFE EASIER. WE WANT TO GET THIS DONE, THE CITY WILL ALLOW THIS AND WE COULD MOVE FORWARD. I APPRECIATE YOU TELLING US THAT ANCILLARY RETAIL WOULD BE CONSIDERED BROADLY. WE APPRECIATE YOUR SUPPORT ON THIS. >> I CAN MOVE APPROVAL IN LIGHT OF THOSE THINGS. I WOULD ALSO ASK THAT MAYBE, STAFF LOOK AT COMING BACK TO US IN A WAY THAT THERE IS MAYBE A BB-7 THAT ALLOWS FOR THIS KIND OF DEVELOPMENT IN OUR COUNTY THAT DOESN'T HAVE OTHER FLAGS THAT COME UP, JUST NOT ADULT ENTERTAINMENT. >> IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THE BB-5 IS THE ONLY WAY THAT WOULD ALLOW THEM TO GO FORWARD. >> STAFF RECOGNIZES THE MYRIAD OF ISSUES . >> THANK YOU. >> I WOULD BE MORE COMFORTABLE WITH CAPACITY BEING MET BEFORE MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS. >> JUST TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION. THAT CAPACITY IS THE FLORIDA LIQUOR LICENSE ISSUE. WE CURRENTLY HAVE AN APPLICATION PENDING FOR CONSTRUCTION WITH THE COUNTY. IT IS INDEPENDENT, BUT WE CAN STILL BUILD OUT EVEN IF THE LIQUOR LICENSE IS NOT APPROVED. THEY HAVE THEIR OWN CRITERIA AS PER THE FLORIDA BUILDING CODE . WE CAN BUILD THIS INSTEAD OF JUST SERVING FOOD , WE CAN ADD LIQUOR. IT IS NOT MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE. I DON'T THINK WE WOULD MEET CODE. THE APPLICATION CAN GO AHEAD REGARDLESS OF THE EXPANSION. >> BB-5 DOES NOT HAVE ANY CAPACITY OR SIZE OF THE BUILDING REQUIREMENTS. >> THAT WAS MY QUESTION. I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT OUR ZONING CHANGE . THAT IS NOT MY CONCERN. I HEARD THAT IF YOU WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH REQUESTING THAT LICENSE YOU HAVE TWO EXPAND YOUR COMPANY. SO, FOR ME I AM WONDERING IF IT IS A CART BEFORE THE HORSE CIRCUMSTANCE. YOU ARE STILL GOING TO BUILD AND ARE IN THE PROCESS OF DOING THAT . AT THIS JUNCTURE, WE HAVE TO DECIDE WHETHER TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE ZONING THAT ALLOWS FOR YOU TO SAIL --SELL MORE THAN BEER AND WINE. AM I MISUNDERSTANDING? >> THERE ARE TWO INDEPENDENT PROCESSES. >> I LOOK AT IT AS IF IT WAS A RESTAURANT THAT WAS APPLYING FOR A PERMIT FROM THE STATE, REGARDLESS OF WHAT THEY HAD UNDER A COVERED ROOF . AND, WHEN THEY WERE FINISHED WITH THEIR WORK THEY WILL BE INSPECTED BY THE STATE. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I WILL TAKE A MOTION. >> I AM READY-MADE ONE. >> NOBODY SECONDED IT. >> I WILL SECOND IT. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, CONCERNS? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE . ALL THOSE NOT IN FAVOR, SY NAY. >> I HAVE A COMMENT, SORRY. >> IT PASSES 4-1. >> THE COOK IS MY PATIENT AND HE'S GOING TO NORTH CAROLINA. [03:00:14] YOU BETTER FIND A WAY TO KEEP HIM HERE. >> HE WAS OFF FOR THE WEEKEND. HE HAS HIS FAMILY THERE. AS WE EXPAND THIS WE WILL NEED MORE STAFF. WE ARE IN THE PROCESS [16.  Public Hearing for the purpose of considering the entry into a Purchase and Sale Agreement for the purchase by the County of real property necessary for the Bonded Transportation Program, more particularly described as two portions of Tax Parcel No. 46-05-26-010214-000-00, and authorization for County Manager to execute all documents necessary to close the acquisition (C. Grimm/E. Dendor)] AND WE INVITE YOU ALL TO COME OUT. WE APPRECIATE IT. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. HEARING FOR THE PURPOSE OF CONSIDERING THE ENTRY INTO A PURCHASE AND SALE AGREEMENT FOR THE PURCHASE OF THE COUNTY OF REAL PROPERTY NECESSARY FOR THE BNDED TRANSPORTATION PROGRAM. OF THE PARTICULAR PROPERTY. THEY ARE VERY SMALL AND IT WAS FOR $5700 AND IS IN CONNECTION WITH THE TRANSPORTATION PROGRAM. >> OPEN FOR PUBLIC HEARING FOR ANYONE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK ON THIS. SEEING NONE, WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. >> MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE. >> SECOND PICK >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND TO APPROVE THESE TWO PIECES OF PROPERTY. ANY DISCUSSION, COMMENTS, CONCERNS? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. ALL THOSE NOT IN FAVOR, SAY NAY. IT PASSES 5-0. [17.  Public Hearing for the purpose of considering the entry into a Purchase and Sale Agreement for the purchase by the County of real property necessary for the Bonded Transportation Program, more particularly described as a portion of Tax Parcel No. 46-05-26-010214-003-02, and authorization for County Manager to execute all documents necessary to close the acquisition (C. Grimm/E. Dendor)] >> ITEM NUMBER 17, PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE PURPOSE OF CONSIDERING THE ENTRY INTO A PURCHASE AND SALE AGREEMENT FOR THE PURCHASE OF THE COUNTY OF REAL PROPERTY NECESSARY FOR THE BONDED TRANSPORTATION PROGRAM. >> SIMILARLY, THIS IS FOR THE BONDED TRANSPORTATION PROGRAM AND IS FOR A VERY SMALL PART OF THIS PROPERTY. IT IS $4050. >> MOVE APPROVAL. >> SECOND. >> I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. IT IS OPEN FOR THIS ITEM. SEEING NOBODY WANTING TO SPEAK AND HEARING THEM, THE PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED. >> ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. ALL THOSE NOT IN FAVOR, SAY NAY. PASSES 5-0. >> WE WILL MOVE BACK TO NEW [10.  RFQ No. 23/24-017, General Engineering Consulting Services for Planning and Designing of Indigo Branch Channel Erosion Control Measures (K. Smith)] BUSINESS. THIS IS FOR PLANNING AND DESIGNING FOR THE INDIGO BRANCH AND IT IS RICHARDS-SMITH. >> HELLO. GLAD TO BE HERE . THIS ITEM HAS ONE PROPOSAL. A NORTHEAST FLORIDA ENGINEERING FIRM IS REQUESTING A GRANT FOR A PROJECT FOR HAZARDOUS MITIGATION . MATTHEWS IS A CAPABLE FIRM. THEY SCORED IN THE 80 RANGE AND WE RECEIVED JUST ONE BID. DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. >> I UNDERSTAND THEY HAVEN'T DONE WORKFORCE. >> THEY HAVE NOT DONE ANY WORK FOR US DIRECTLY. THEY HAVE SUBMITTED A COUPLE TIMES. THEY HAVE NOT BEEN AWARDED A CONTRACT. >> ANY QUETIONS FOR STAFF? >> I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE. >> SECOND. >> ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, CONCERNS? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. ALL THOSE NOT IN [11.  RFP No. 23/24-021, Traffic Counts, Capacity Table and Mobility Fee Studies (K. Smith)] FAVOR, SAY NAY. IT PASSES 5-0. >> AND , WE ARE ON TO ITEM NUMBER 11 , THE TRAFFIC COUNT CAPACITY STUDY AND MOBILITY FEE STUDIES. >> HERE AGAIN, WE RECEIVED ONE PROPOSAL FROM GANNETT FLEMING. WE GOT A VERY GOOD PRICE ON THIS . IT WAS HALF OF WHAT HER BUDGET PROJECTED. WE RECEIVED JUST THE ONE BID AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO GETTING THEM STARTED. >> TAYLOR, WE HAVE TO DO THIS BY LAW, RIGHT? >> YES. THAT IS PART OF OUR CODE. WE HAVE FIVE YEARS ON THE MOBILITY STUDY. WE CAN REEVALUATE THE ENGINEERING COST TO SEE IF THERE ARE ANY [03:05:06] ADDITIONAL ROADWAYS THAT NEED TO BE ADDED. >> AND, THIS IS JUST TO DO THAT STUDY? >> YES, AND IT GIVES US TRAFFIC COUNTS , AS WELL SO WE CAN UTILIZE THAT INFORMATION TO MAKE THE BEST DECISIONS. >> OKAY. >> ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? I WILL TAKE A MOTION. >> AND MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE. >> SECOND. >> I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE AND A SECOND. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS OR CONCERNS? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, [12.  2024 Transportation Project Priorities and Unified Planning Work Programs to be Submitted to the TPO (T. Abernathy)] SAY AYE. ALL THOSE NOT IN FAVOR, SAY NAY. IT PASSES 5-0. ITEM NUMBER 12 IS A TRANSPORTATION PROJECT PRIORITIES AND UNIFIED PLANNING WORK GRAHAM FOR THE TPO. >> HERE AGAIN, THIS IS A REQUEST TO COMMISSION TO MAKE OUR PRIORITY PROJECT SUBMITTED WILL FOR THE BONDED TRANSPORTATION ORGANIZATION. THESE ARE REGIONAL TRANSPORTATION PROJECTS THAT SPAN ACROSS CLAY COUNTY AND VARIOUS MEMBER AGENCIES WITH DISTRICT 2. THE LIST BEFORE YOU HAS THE TOP FIVE THAT GET RECONSIDERED. THE PROCESS ALLOWS ITEMS BEYOND THAT THAT ARE IN THE LONG RANGE PLAN AND ARE LISTED HERE IS A LITTLE BIT FURTHER OUT IN THE TIMELINE IF DISTRICT MONEY COMES UP TO THE STATE IT IS BENEFICIAL FOR US TO BE ON THESE PRIORITY OUTLOOK LISTS. THIS IS STAFFS RECOMMENDATION . WE CAN GO OVER ANY OR ALL OF THEM IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS. WE PROVIDED WITH THE PRIORITY WAS LAST YEAR. THE SECOND LIST IS ANOTHER GRANT PROGRAM AND THINGS THAT ARE NOT ON THE ROADWAY NETWORK. THOSE LOOKING MORE AT OUR ASSIGNMENTS AS PART OF THIS PROCESS. WE REACH OUT TO OUR INCORPORATED CITIES IN THE COUNTY AND SEE WHAT KIND OF REQUESTS THEY HAVE. THEY SUPPLY US WITH A LIST OF COUNTY PRIORITIES AND ADDITIONALLY , AS PART OF THIS IS THE UNIFIED PLANNING WORK PROGRAM. THESE ARE A STUDY IN NATURE AND THAT LIST LOOKS AT A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT SOURCES. A GOOD CHUNK OF THESE PROJECTS ARE FROM THE BICYCLE MASTER PLAN. THESE ARE STUDIES THAT WERE IDENTIFIED TO ADDRESS ADDITIONAL BIKE AND PEDESTRIAN DATA. THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO PUT IT OUT THERE AND SEE IF THEY WANT TO DO SOMETHING ALONG THESE LINES. WE LOOK AT IT EVERY THREE YEARS. ANY QUESTIONS? ANY DISCUSSION YOU WANT TO HAVE ABOUT THE LIST OR THE ORDER? WE CAN ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS. >> I DIDN'T SEE YESTERDAY , BUT I THOUGHT THEY TALKED ABOUT A TWO LANE . DID HE SAY HE WANTED TO GET IT TO A FOUR-LANE? OKAY, THANK YOU. >> I HAVE A QUESTION AND COMMENT. I DO QUESTION THE PROJECT COMMISSIONER BURKE JUST REFERRED TO. IT MOVES AHEAD THREE PROJECTS WE HAD ON THE PRIORITY LIST. I WOULD LIKE TO UNDERSTAND WHY. I WILL JUST CUT TO THE CHASE. IT IS BECAUSE COUNTY ROAD TO 18 EAST OF 21 HAS NOT BEEN ADDRESSED AND IT IS ON THIS LESS. IT IS VERY SMALL PART OF MY DISTRICT AND MOSTLY COMMISSIONER BURKE'S DISTRICT. MOST OF THOSE RESIDENTS SPEAK ABOUT HAVING DIFFICULTY TURNING OUT OF THE RESIDENTS. I DON'T LOVE PUTTING SOMETHING ELSE IN ONE DISTRICT ABOVE SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN IN PLACE ON ANOTHER DISTRICT. BUT, ON THE WEST SIDE WE HAVE 30,000 CARS DAILY WHO COMMUTE AND THEY ONLY HAVE THE TWO LANE PORTION OF COUNTY ROAD TO 18. IT IS ON THE BONDED ASPORTATION PROGRAM. TO MOVE A DIFFERENT PROJECT ABOVE THAT PROJECT I HAVE AN ISSUE WITH. THE OTHER QUESTION I HAVE IS ON THE THIRD PAGE ON ITEM NUMBER NINE. THE INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS AT STATE ROAD 21 THAT WAS REQUESTED BY THE CITY [03:10:05] OF KEYSTONE HEIGHTS. IT SAYS CR 215. THAT SHOULD BE STATE ROAD 100. IT IS ON ITEM NUMBER NINE. IT DOESN'T CROSS CR 215. IT IS WHERE THE OLD CHINESE RESTAURANT IS, BUT THEY WANTED A TURN LANE. EVERYONE SUPPORTS IT AND THE CITY WILL HAVE TO BUY THAT PROPERTY. THEY INTEND TO PURCHASE THAT OUT OF THEIR CRA DOLLARS, WHICH WOULD BE A GOOD USE OF THOSE CRA DOLLARS. THEY HAVE BEEN ACCUMULATING IT FOR 18 OR 19 YEARS. THAT HAS TO BE ACCURATE. I WOULD LIKE TO UNDERSTAND THE LOGIC OF MOVING THAT PROJECT. >> I WILL TALK ABOUT A FEW OF THE CHANGING THINGS THAT HAPPENED OUT THERE. THE SCHOOL DISTRICT HAS BOUGHT THE PROPERTY KNOWN AS THE OLD GUN RANGE AND LOG CABIN. IT IS ABOUT AN 90 ACRE PARCEL. WITH THE OTHER BONDED TRANSPORTATION PROJECTS THEY WERE LOOKING AT IT AS LESS OF A TRANSPORTATION HUB. BUT, WITH THAT PURCHASE IT WAS MORE OF WHAT WE WERE LOOKING AT AS WE NEED TO GET SERVICE TO THAT STRETCH. THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR SOMETHING TO GET THERE. IT IS NOT IN THE TOP FIVE PRIORITIES, BUT THAT WAS THE JUSTICE OF WHY WE BROUGHT IT UP. >> THAT IS NOT WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT. I DID NOT ASK FOR THIS TO HAPPEN. >> I WONDER THAT. I WAS KIND OF OFFENDED. >> WHAT HAPPENED IS, JIM NIGHT IS WORRIED ABOUT THE FLOW OF 17 BECAUSE IT BACKS UP SO BAD. HE IS WORRIED ABOUT THE BACKUP FROM 315 TO 17 AND ALSO THE ONE FROM 209 DOWN 17. THAT IS WHY HE RECOMMENDED THAT. MAYBE YOU CAN SPEAK TO THAT. OF COURSE, I LIKED IT, BUT I AM JUST SAYING I DIDN'T BRING IT UP. >> IT IS VERY OFFENSIVE TO MY RESIDENTS. LOOK, I DON'T LIVE IN MIDDLEBURG AND CLAY HILL, BUT I HAVE 30,000 PEOPLE THAT COMMIT THAT WAY. JUST LIKE THAT PROJECT, IT GOT CUT. A FEW MEETINGS AGO WE JUST FOUND ANOTHER 7.9 , HOWEVER MUCH IT WAS TO SUPPORT THAT AREA . THIS IS WHAT I HEAR ABOUT FREQUENTLY. IF THERE IS AN ACCIDENT ON 218 THERE IS NO WAY AROUND UNLESS THEY GO ALL THE WAY BACK AROUND TO JACKSONVILLE AND COME UP THROUGH MAX BILL. >> RICHARDS-SMITH, CLAY COUNTY ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT. IT WAS DISCUSSED IN THE MEETING AND ITEM NUMBER THREE IS THE SIX LANE OF 17 FROM TOWNE CENTER BOULEVARD SOUTH 315. 209 AND 315 INTERSECTION WITH STATE ROAD 15 WAS U.S. 17 NEED TO BE IMPROVED TO ACCOMMODATE THE DUAL LEFT TURNS IT WILL COME OFF OF 17 ON TO THAT. 209 AT THAT LOCATION IS ALL OF THE FUNDS FOR THE PROJECTS. 315 GOT SHIFTED TO THAT. THAT WILL ACCOMMODATE IT. THAT EXPLAINS WHY 15 MOVED TO FIFTH. RUSSELL ROAD 209 MOVED TO SIX . THIS IS JUST A STAFF RECOMMENDATION. THIS HAS TO BE DONE BY FRIDAY. IF THIS CHANGES IT IS PRETTY EASY TO FIX THIS. THIS IS THE FIRST STAB AT LOOKING AT THIS AND MAKING A DECISION. IT WAS DISCUSSED AND THEY WANTED --D.O.T. IS INTERESTED IN GETTING FOLKS FROM JACKSONVILLE AND THEY ARE NOT WORRIED ABOUT LAKE ASBURY RESIDENTS. WE HAVE TO GET THEM HOME OFFICE 17 TO MAKE IT A BETTER THOROUGHFARE FROM THEM. >> AND IT BACKS UP OVER BLACK CREEK BRIDGE. >> YES. THERE ARE A LOT OF CHANGES COMING, ESPECIALLY TO THE 209 INTERSECTION. IT WILL BE VERY DIFFERENT THAN IT IS TODAY. AND, THAT WAS THE REASONING FOR IT. NOW, IF IT MOVES AROUND THERE IS NO PREFERENCE FROM THE STAFF AND OUR POINT OF YOU. THAT WAS THE REASON MR. KNIGHT FROM D.O.T. RECOMMENDED THAT WE DEFINITELY, PUT THE MONEY TOWARDS 209 . EVEN THOUGH IT IS NOT CONNECTED TO ESTATE PROJECT , IT IS GOING TO BE TOUGH TO GET SUPPORT FOR IT. BUT, IT NEEDS TO BE THERE SOMEWHERE. >> BUT , THEY WILL NOT HELP PAY FOR IT. IF WE MOVE IT UP --THEY HAVE BEEN SAYING NO, ON THE [03:15:01] WIDENING OF 216 AND THAT IS A STATE ROAD. FOR IT TO MOVE FROM 10 TO 6 --I LIKE JIM NIGHT AND HE IS A GREAT GUYS. IS NOT GETTING THE PHONE CALLS I GET >> WHAT IF THE DISCUSSION COMES UP QUICK >> IN TWO YEARS, THE PARKWAY WILL BE OPEN . THE PARKWAY SHOULD BE OPEN TO THE NEW BRIDGE AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE DEVELOPERS THAT ARE BEATING DOWN THE DOORWAYS FOR SARATOGA SPRINGS ARE GOING TO HAVE TO MOVE ON THE ROAD THAT THE HIGH SCHOOL WANTS TO BE ON. I TOTALLY RESPECT ALL OF YOU AND I THINK YOU ARE BRILLIANT TRAFFIC ENGINEERS. WHAT YOU DO IS VERY REMARKABLE AND YOU HAVE TO DEAL WITH PEOPLE LIKE ME. BUT, NO ONE CAN SEE, UNLESS YOU BORROW COMMISSIONER RENNINGER'S CRYSTAL BALL WITH THE TRAFFIC WILL LOOK LIKE IN THE LAKE ASBURY AREA WHEN ALL OF THAT OPENS. I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG IT WILL TAKE THEM ON 17. THIS YEAR THEY PULLED ALL OF THE FUNDING. ALL WE ARE DOING IS 17. BUT THEN , JIM NIGHT IS THE ONE THAT SAID IN OUR TPO MEETING THAT IF THERE IS A PROJECT ON A LIST AND THEY FIND IT THEY CAN PULL IT AND PUT THE MONEY THERE. >> ONE THING WE WILL REVISE ON THAT WHETHER IT ENDS UP SIX OR 10TH OR WHATEVER IS VERY IMPORTANT. IT IS PROBABLY THE THIRD WORST RATED COUNTY IN THE BRIDGE. IT IS A VERY IMPORTANT CORRIDOR. THE SCHOOL BUSES THAT GO OVER IT NOW MAKE IT CLOSE TO BEING RESTRICTED AT THAT LEVEL. WE HAVE CLOSE TO THREE RIDGES LIKE THAT RIGHT NOW. THE BRIDGES ARE EXPENSIVE TO BUILD. WE WANT TO HAVE THEM SOMEWHERE ON THIS LIST SO IF FUNDING LIKE THAT COMES IN YOU CAN HAVE IT. WHAT NUMBER IT IS, I DON'T KNOW WHAT DIFFERENCE THAT MAKES, BUT WE WILL ADD THAT TO IT AS A BRIDGE REPLACEMENT. >> HERE IS THE THING. WE NOW HAVE COMMISSIONER COMPERE AND I'M NOT TRYING TO SPEAK FOR YOU. BUT THE WHOLE TIME WE SERVED WITH THE OTHER DISTRICT COMMISSIONER , THIS JUMPED. IF YOU ARE THOSE FOLKS WHO LIVE IN THAT AREA, WHEN YOU CONSTANTLY SEE A LIST PASSED BY THE COMMISSION WHERE YOUR ROAD NEVER MOVES, OR IN FACT IT MOVES DOWN , THAT IS WHERE THERE IS A CONCERN. BUT, I WILL BE QUIET NOW. >> WHILE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THAT, I DO APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS , COMMISSIONER CONDON. THE ONLY ITEM ON THIS LIST FROM DISTRICT 2 WENT FROM EIGHT TO NINE. MY REQUEST FROM THIS IS TO HAVE A UPWP STUDY DONE SO WE ARE LOOKING AT ALL THAT IS INVOLVED MOVING FORWARD WITH THAT PROJECT BECAUSE I REMEMBER THEM SAYING THAT THE LIFT IS ONLY GETTING HEAVIER AND WE ARE NO CLOSER TO KNOWING WHAT IS ALL INVOLVE. MY REQUEST IS A UPWP STUDY ON CHESWICK OAKS AVENUE. >> CAN WE ADD THAT ON ONE OF THE LOWER LIST ? THAT WOULD BE FABULOUS. IS THAT A NON-ROADWAY? >> IT WOULD BE THE UNIFYING WORKPLAN . THAT WOULD BE THE PLACE YOU PUT IT. IT WOULD BE THE THIRD LIST. >> I FULLY SUPPORT THAT. THAT WILL GIVE US A PRICE AND WHAT IT ENTAILS. >> IN THE FEASIBILITY STUDY, THE TRAFFIC COUNTS FOR PRICING , WE WOULD MAKE IT VERY THOROUGH. >> IN OUR PREVIOUS ITEM , CHESWICK OAKS IS WITHIN THE MOBILITY STUDY AND WE WILL HAVE AN UPDATE WITH THE NEW ENGINEERING FOR THAT PROGRAM. THIS WOULD BE TO TAKE A LITTLE BIT MORE OF WHAT IS IN OUR MAP AND THAT A LITTLE MORE ENGINEERING TO THE CONCEPT TO SEE HOW WE GET ACROSS THE WETLANDS THAT EXIST OVER THERE AND GIVE YOU A LITTLE MORE [03:20:04] ROBUST DISCUSSION SO WE CAN HAVE A BETTER LONG-TERM DISCUSSION. >> I MAY DROP OUT OF MY CHAIR AT ANY MOMENT. AND, ONLY BECAUSE OF THE ROAD DISCUSSION AND NOT BECAUSE I AM SICK. FOR CLARIFICATION OF COUNTY ROAD 220 FROM STATE ROAD 21 LANDING TO HEADLEY 'S NUMBER ONE ON THE HIT LIST HERE. WHERE DO WE STAND ON THE OTHER ASPECT OF 220 FROM HENLEY ? IT HAS BEEN TALKED ABOUT IS BEING FUNDED ALREADY BY THE STATE OR PROMISES, BUT YOU CAN ARGUE ABOUT 218 AND CHESWICK OAKS , BUT TO 20 FROM NIGHT BOX TO HENLEY AND THAT INTERSECTION IS PROBABLY ONE OF THE WORST . I WON'T SAY THE WORST BECAUSE THERE ARE PROBABLY OTHERS I AM NOT AWARE OF. IF YOU HAVE EVER GONE EAST WEST AT 4:00 IN THE AFTERNOON, IT IS A GOOD HOUR OR HOUR AND A HALF SOMETIMES, DEFENDING ON HOW FAR THE TRAFFIC IS BACKED UP. WHERE DO WE STAND ON THAT SECTION? >> AT 11:40 A.M. WE RECEIVED THE LAB AGREEMENT FOR CONSTRUCTION FOR THAT. THAT IS GOING TO MR. RENTON THIS MORNING. WILL RECEIVE THAT FROM D.O.T. AND THAT WILL BE ON THE CHAIRS DESK FOR SIGNATURES. >> CAN WE LOOK FORWARD TO IT AT THE NEXT BOARD MEETING? >> IT WILL GO TO THE COUNTY ATTORNEY FIRST. >> MAKE SURE IT COMES TO THE BOARD FIRST. >> THE NEXT STEP IN THAT IS TO GO FIND US ABOUT 11.5 MORE MILLION DOLLARS TO DO THE PROJECT. IT WAS FUNDED ON 20 $16 TO ECHO COMMISSIONER COMPERE. IT IS RISEN A LITTLE BIT. THAT WILL COME BEFORE YOU NEXT TIME UP WITH POSSIBLE THINGS WORKED OUT. IT WILL BE BID IN APRIL FOR CONSTRUCTION PROCUREMENT WITH CONSTRUCTION POSSIBLY STARTING IN THE FALL. >> WE NEED $11.5 MILLION QUICK >> YES, THAT IS WHAT THEY HAVE NOW. WE DON'T EXPECT THAT TO BUILD THE BRIDGE, AS WELL AS THE ENTIRE SECTION FROM NIGHT BOX TO THE DOLLAR GENERAL. >> THEN, WHY ISN'T THAT ON THIS LIST? >> IT IS NUMBER ONE ON THE LIST. >> NO, I AM TALKING NIGHT BOX. >> IF IT IS ALREADY A FUNDED PROJECT. IT IS CONSIDERED FUNDED BY THE D.O.T. AND IT MOVES DOWN. >> WE ARE 11 MILLION SHORT AND YOU SAY IT IS FUNDED QUICK >> WE DON'T REALLY KNOW HOW SHORT WE ARE. WE HAVE CONCERNS BECAUSE AGAIN, IT IS 2016 DOLLARS WHEN IT WAS ESTIMATED. KNOW WHAT IS HAPPENING WITH TRACTION COSTS. IF YOU GO BACK SIX OR SEVEN YEARS AND YOU THINK WE CAN MAGICALLY SQUEEZE THAT IN WITH WHAT MONIES THEY DO HAVE? IT IS NOT YOU, IT IS THE D.O.T. BUT I'M ASKING WHETHER THAT PORTION OF THE ROAD SHOULD BE IN THIS DOCUMENT. >> THAT PORTION OF THE ROAD IS ALREADY ON THE NUMBER ONE PRIORITY LIST AND IN THE FOUR COUNTY REGION. WE ARE JUST FOCUSING ON THIS ONE FOR 2024 AND HE OWNED TO COMPLETE THAT. I SEE WHAT YOU ARE SAYING AND I WILL SPEAK WITH MR. SHEFFIELD , JEFF SHEFFIELD THE CHAIRMAN OF THE TPO AND JIM NIGHT TO SEE IF WE CHANGE THOSE LIMITS. AND WE CAN TAKE BACK TO NIGHT BOX ROAD FOR TRANSPARENCY, SO TO SPEAK YOU WILL NOTICE THE INTERSECTION ON ITEM NUMBER 11, WE DROPPED IT DOWN FROM THE TOP FIVE BECAUSE MR. KNIGHT INFORMED AS IT IS BEEN FUNDED. IT WAS MAINLY THERE SO WELSH ROAD AT LANDING INTERSECTION COULD BE FUNDED. IT RECEIVED FUNDING AND HE SAID MOVE IT OUT OF THE TOP FIVE. SO, I THINK WHAT WE DO ON THIS ONE IS, WE REVISE THE LIMITS TO INCLUDE NIGHT BOX. GOOD CATCH. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. [03:25:06] >> WE ARE TALKING ABOUT D.O.T. AND AGAIN, I AM THINKING IN THIS MIND-SET . I CAN'T REMEMBER HOW MANY HOMES AND MAYBE HEATHER, YOU REMEMBER HOW MANY HOMES ARE COMING. I THINK THERE IS A CONCERN BECAUSE THAT IS WHERE ALL THE HOMES IN OUR COUNTY ARE BEING BUILT. ALL OF SAND RIDGE HAS ALL HOUSES COMING. THOSE PEOPLE HAVE TO GET OFF 17 FIRST TO GET HOME. SO REALLY, FEED MILL IS ALREADY OFF 17 AND I DON'T THINK THEY REALLY THOUGHT ABOUT THAT. THAT WAS HIS WHOLE CONVERSATION. LIKE , 315 TO MARYLAND, HE WAS SHOCKED WE WERE FORMULATING THAT. WE DON'T HAVE THE MONEY. BUT HE SAID WE HAD TO FIND THE MONEY. IT IS A BOTTLENECK AND YOU ARE HAVING ALL THESE PEOPLE COMING OFF 17 AND THEY WILL TURN INTO TWO LINES. I DO UNDERSTAND AND I DO THINK THAT IT IS A BIG CONCERN . BUT ALL OF THE REST OF THEM ARE, TOO. >> THE PHONE CALLS I AM GETTING ARE, WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO CARE ABOUT NOT THE NEW PEOPLE MOVING TO THESE HOMES OF THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE HERE. THOSE PEOPLE WHO LIVE ON 218 WEST AND HAVE HAD TO HAVE THAT COMMUTE FOR EVER AND I POINT THAT WAY BECAUSE WE HAVE STAFF THAT LIVES OUT THERE AND IF THERE IS AN ACCIDENT ON 218 THEY HAVE TWO ALL THE WAY OUT TO 301 , 216, AND DOWN TO GREEN COVE. OR, THE HAVE TO GO UP THE OTHER WAY. THERE IS NOT ANOTHER EAST-WEST CORRIDOR ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE COUNTY. SO, THAT IS WHAT THE ARGUMENT IS. TO COMMISSIONER COMPERE'S POINT, IF YOU SCROLL DOWN FURTHER AND I IMAGINE YOU ALL HAVE IT IN YOUR BACKUP , BUT IF WE SCROLL DOWN ELECTRONICALLY , IN 2022 CHESWICK OAKS WAS NUMBER THREE AND WE MOVED IT TO NUMBER EIGHT AND NOW, WE ARE GOING TO MOVE IT DOWN TO NUMBER NINE. IT IS THE MESSAGE THAT WE, AS THE COMMISSION TO THE WHOLE COUNTY. WHAT I AM HEARING IS A FEVER PITCH OF RESIDENTS SAYING, ENOUGH TO ALL THE NEW PEOPLE AND ALL THE NEW GROWTH AND YOU ALL PUTTING STUFF THERE. WHEN ARE WE GOING TO GET SOMETHING? I HEAR FROM THE PEOPLE WE SHARE ON 218 EAST WHEN THEY TURN OUT OF RAVINES BECAUSE IT IS TWO LANES THERE. >> WHEN ALL THAT NEW GROWTH IS APPROVED WE WILL ALL HAVE TO DEAL WITH IT. >> I HAVE SUPPORTED IT . >> IF D.O.T. WANT IT THEN, THEY CAN GO WHEREVER AND GET IT. IS THAT NOT TRUE? >> IT HELPS TO BE ON THERE. IT IS IMPORTANT TO BE ON THIS LIST. AGAIN, A GOOD EXAMPLE IS , KEYSTONE IS SUCCESSFUL JIM NIGHT SAID THEY WOULD BUILD IT TOMORROW. THEY DON'T LIKE TO DEAL WITH PROPERTY OWNERS AND RIGHT-OF-WAY ACQUISITION. THEY ARE VERY COMFORTABLE PAYING CONTRACTORS. THAT IS WHY THEY ARE OFFERING US THE OPPORTUNITY TO PUT COUNTY ROAD 315 AND NUMBER FIVE TO DO THE HEAVY LIFTING ON THE SPEEDWAY. THE OTHER COMMERCIAL PROPERTY OWNER THERE WILL GET THAT WORK OUT. THEN, THE BUILDING IS THE EASY PART. >> THAT HELPS THE 218 , TOO. THEY CAN GO STRAIGHT ACROSS 218 INSTEAD OF HAVING TO GO AROUND LAKE ASBURY. >> THAT IS NOT GOING TO HELP MY 218 ON THE EAST SIDE OF BLANDING. >> THERE IS A LOT OF LAKE ASBURY AND A GREAT MAP TO LOOK AT IS THE BONDED TRANSPORTATION MAP OR THE MAP WE TAKE TO THE MEETINGS , LOOK AT THE ROUTE YOU TAKE NOW TO GO FROM LATE DONALD'S TO GET YOUR BISCUIT IN LAKE ASBURY . NOBODY IS GOING TO GO DOWN SAND RIDGE. I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY THOUSANDS OF CARS A DAY THAT IS. THERE WAS 9500 AND SAND RIDGE TODAY IN THE MORNING IS PROJECTED TO BE 11,000 NEXT [03:30:04] YEAR. IN 26 , LOGIC TELLS YOU THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE GOING TO GO DOWN HENLEY TO 218 AND FROM THERE E A CHALLENGE. WE WILL NEED TO BE PREPARED TO IMPROVE THAT. FROM CAPACITY STANDPOINT, THINGS WILL REALLY CHANGE WITH THIS OUTER BELT ROAD GETS OPENED. >> RICHARD , YOU WERE MENTIONING TRAFFIC COUNTS. DO YOU HAVE TRAFFIC COUNTS ON CHESWICK BECAUSE THAT IS ALSO ONE AREA OF THE COUNTY WHERE THERE IS ONE INGRESS AND ONE EGRESS. >> IT IS NOT PART OF THIS. >> WE ALREADY APPROVED IT. >> WE ARE WORKING ON A SUBSCRIPTION AND WE WILL HOPEFULLY, HAVE IT NEXT YEAR. >> SO, TO THAT , WE ARE TRYING TO GET A SUBSCRIPTION FROM A PILOT PROJECT WE STARTED WITH TPO UNDER ONE OF THEIR STUDIES. WE LOOK AT ADT AND YOU LOOK AT THE 80TH PERCENTILE OF SPEEDS ON A GSI MAP. INSTANTANEOUSLY, STAFF CAN LOOK AND SEE PROBLEMS AND BE ABLE TO RESPOND TO RESIDENTS QUICKER AND MORE SPECIFICALLY, IDENTIFY THE TIME OF DAY WHERE WE HAVE THESE ISSUES. IT WILL GIVE US A MORE TARGETED SET OF INFORMATION TO PROVIDE TO OUR CONSTITUENTS. THAT PROGRAM WILL BE INTERACTIVE AND WE WILL HAVE IT AVAILABLE IN THIS FORMAT . IT SHOULD REDUCE ABOUT 80% OF OUR STAFF TIME. IF YOU ASK ME FOR COUNTS, I HAVE 2019 COUNTS AND THOSE ARE OUT DATED AT THE MOMENT. MAYBE NOT AS MUCH UP IN CHESWICK OAKS AREA , BUT IN OTHER PLACES WHERE WE HAVE A LOT OF DEVELOPMENTS IT MAY NOT BE. THAT IS A PROGRAM WE ARE LOOKING AT GETTING READY FOR YOU GUYS. >> ON CHESWICK OAKS NOW, WHERE IT IS COMING OFF THE MAIN ROAD, THAT WILL BE A TRUE MODELING EXERCISE. THAT IS WHY WE NEED THIS UPWP STUDY. THAT ROUTE WILL BE ANALYZED AS TO HOW MANY FOLKS WILL BE COMING. AS IT APPEARS, THERE WILL BE A LOT OF PATTERNS CHANGE IF WE GET A PROPER COMMERCIAL NODE AT THE TOLL 23 AND OAKLEY PLANTATION PARKWAY . WHEN THAT BECOMES A COMMERCIAL NODE A LOT OF PEOPLE SHOPPING HABITS AND TRANSPORTATION ROUTES WILL CHANGE SIGNIFICANTLY IN THAT AREA. SO, THAT NEEDS TO BE MODELED. IT CAN'T BE MEASURED WITH WHAT IS GOING ON TODAY. >> CHAIR, ARE WE TOGETHER ON THAT? >> WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT A FEW CHANGES HERE. WHAT ARE WE SUBMITTING? >> HERE IS MY ACCOUNTING OF IT. WE ARE LOOKING AT ADJUSTING THE LIMITS OF NUMBER ONE TO BE A NIGHT BOX. ITEM SIX , INSTEAD OF BEING WIDENED TO THREE LANES IT WILL BE WIDENED TO FOUR LANES. AT THIS MOMENT , IN ITEM SIX WE WILL ADD THE BRIDGE REPLACEMENT TO COVER THE ADDITIONAL REVISION FROM THE OLD LIST TO DIRECT COUNTY TO 15 TO SR 100. WE WILL REMOVE ONE OF THE ADDITIONAL TYPO ASTERISKS THAT DENOTE THE PROPERTY ON KEYSTONE HEIGHTS. WHEN YOU GET BACK TO THE UNIFIED PLANNING WORK PROGRAM WE WOULD ADD ANOTHER ITEM FOR YOUR DISCUSSION AS TO WHERE YOU WOULD LIKE IT TO BE. IT IS ITEM SIX AT THE MOMENT. AND THAT IS FOR THE CHESWICK OAKS EXTENSION. >> SAY THAT AGAIN. >> THAT WOULD BE FOR THE UNIFIED PLAN WORK PROGRAM . WE WOULD ADD ANOTHER ITEM FOR CHESWICK OAKS CORRIDOR STUDY AND FOR YOU WOULD LIKE TO PLACE THAT ON THE LIST WOULD BE UP TO YOU. >> RICHARD WOULD LIKE THAT TO BE PLACED AT THE TOP. [03:35:09] >> OKAY. MOTION? >> I DON'T WANT TO MOVE ITEM NUMBER 10 IN FRONT OF FOUR OTHER ITEMS. ON THE CURRENT LIST, I WANT TO KEEP IT AT NUMBER 10. I WILL MAKE A MOTION WITH THAT. MOVE SIX TO 10? >> I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO KEEP THAT PART OF THE LIST AS IT WAS LAST YEAR WITH THE OTHER CHANGES THAT TAYLOR HAS RECOMMENDED. >> SO MOVED. >> SIX BACK DOWN TO 10? >> THE PROBLEM I HAVE WITH THAT IS THAT WE, AS A BOARD WERE WIDENING 209 TO THREE LANES AND WE HAD TO GO BACKWARDS ON THAT BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE THE FUNDING. SO NOW, REALLY THAT SHOULD BE COMING FOR EVERYTHING IF THAT WAS ALREADY APPROVED TO AT LEAST THREE LANES. SO, THAT WOULD BE MY ARGUMENT FOR THAT. IT WAS ALREADY APPROVED. COMMISSIONER CELLA YOU WERE ON THE BOARD THEN. >> THAT HAD THE BIGGEST DEFICIT OR WERE ABOUT TO BECOME THE BIGGEST DEFICITS. WE LOOKED AT CHESWICK OAKS AT THE TIME TO POSSIBLY INCLUDE THAT AS PART OF THE BONDING , BUT THE ESTIMATED COST OF $30 MILLION CAME BACK AND WE GOT A LITTLE SCARED WITH THAT . THAT IS ONE OF THE PROBLEMS WITH THAT SPECIFIC ROAD. IT IS SUCH A BIG TOTAL , SUCH A BIG DOLLAR NUMBER , WE ARE GOING TO NEED HELP WITH THAT. I DON'T THINK THE COUNTY CAN SUPPORT MOST OF THAT BECAUSE IT WAS $30 MILLION THREE YEARS AGO OR FOUR YEARS AGO NOW. IT IS NOT GOING TO BE ANY LESS THEN 40 OR 50 MILLION. SO, THAT KIND OF MONEY , WE WILL NEED HELP FROM THE STATE OR MAYBE FEDERAL MONEY. I WOULD BE INTERESTED TO SEE WHAT THE STUDY SAYS WENT IT FINALLY GETS APPROVED. I LOOK AT IT THIS WAY. IT HAS BEEN SEVERAL ITERATIONS OF THIS FORM THAT IS BEEN BOUNCED AROUND IN TERMS OF THE ROADS AND STUFF. I ASKED ABOUT TO 20 TONIGHT BECAUSE EVERYBODY IS ARGUING THEIR POINT AS TO WHAT SHOULD BE OR SHOULDN'T BE ON THE LIST. WE HAVE 20 POUNDS OF DIRT AND ABOUT A 10 POUND BAG TO TRY TO SLAM IT INTO. SOMETHING IS ALWAYS GOING TO SUFFER TO SOMETHING ELSE. WE ARE IN THIS TOGETHER AND IT LOOKS LIKE WE ARE DOWN TO THOSE TWO ROADS , IN TERMS OF A DISAGREEMENT. I LEAVE IT TO TAYLOR AND RICHARD. THEY ARE THE ONES THAT ARE THE EXPERTS AND THEY HAVE THE OVERALL VISION. I DEFER TO THEIR THOUGHTS ON THIS . OTHER THAN THE SMALL ADDITIONS WE ARE DOWN TO , TWO ITEMS . IF WE HAVE TO MOVE SOMETHING AGAIN , AS RICHARD INDICATED , IF JIM NIGHT WANT SOMETHING HE WILL JUST LOCK IT OUT OF THERE ANYWAY. SO, IF WE HAVE TO MOVE ONE SLOT TO MAKE EVERYBODY HAPPY, SO BE IT. >> I STILL HAVE A MOTION OUT THERE . >> WE HAVE A MOTION TO MOVE 209 THAT DOWN TO PRIORITY 10 AND MOVE SIX, SEVEN, AND EIGHT . THAT IS THE MOTION ON THE FLOOR. >> I WILL SECOND. >> HEARING NONE, MOTION FAILS FOR A LACK OF SECOND. YOU RECOMMEND , OR IS THERE SOMETHING THAT SHOULD GO ABOVE 209? YOU DID THE STUDY IN 2019. WE DON'T REALLY KNOW THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC THAT IS ON 209 AND WE DEFINITELY, DON'T KNOW WHAT WILL BE THERE THE YEAR AFTER. >> WOULD YOU ALSO TALK ABOUT THE 218 AND WHAT IS THE [03:40:03] TERMINOLOGY FOR THAT CRITICALLY DEFICIENT ROADWAY? >> THE 218 WEST SECTION GOT EXPANDED TO FIVE LANES. >> IT WAS ORIGINALLY TWO PINE TREE LANE. THE BOND THE TRANSPORTATION PROGRAM HAS CUT IT ALL THE WAY BACK. >> WE NEED TO PUT IT BACK SIMILAR TO 20. OF THE PROJECTS THERE, I WOULD THINK THAT ONE BEING STATISTICALLY, THE MOST CRITICALLY INSUFFICIENT SECTION OF OUR COUNTY . COMMISSIONER CONDON, WE ALSO EXTENDED THAT WEST TO 301 BECAUSE OF THE TRAFFIC INCREASE ON U.S. 301 AND THE POSSIBLE DEVELOPMENT AT 218 -301 INTERSECTION. IT MAY BE THAT FUNDING COULD COME AVAILABLE FROM THE STATE TO WIDEN FROM WEST TO EAST FROM 301 TO 217. THERE IS A LARGE EMPLOYMENT CENTER GOING UP ON NORMANDY BOULEVARD AND THAT COULD BECOME A CRITICALLY DEFICIENT PART OF OUR COUNTY FROM A CAPACITY STANDPOINT. I WOULD THINK OF THE FIVE ROADS BETWEEN 6 AND 10 . THAT WOULD ADD STATISTICAL JUSTIFICATION TO MOVE UP TO THE TOP OF THE LIST. WE KNOW IT IS GOING TO BE A HARD SELL TO GET ANYTHING FROM 209 JUST BECAUSE IT DOESN'T TOUCH IS THE STATE ROUTE. ADDING THE BRIDGE IMPROVEMENT WILL HELP. ALL BRIDGES IN THE STATE ARE INSPECTED ANNUAL BY THE STATE D.O.T. THAT COULD, MAYBE TRIGGER SOMETHING. CHESWICK OAKS IS ITS OWN SEPARATE ISSUE IN THE SENSE THAT IT IS A RELIEVER FOR THAT SECTION OF THE COUNTY . AND, IT ALSO HELPS. IT GETS FIRE SERVICES AND EMERGENCY SERVICES. IT GETS A LOT OF SERVICES, INCLUDING THE SCHOOL BUS THAT HAVE TO GO THROUGH DEWFALL COUNTY TO GET TO FOLKS THAT LIVE THERE. MAYBE, THAT IS ONE WE CAN GET SOME REGIONAL HELP ON IN DUVALL COUNTY. WE WILL SEE AN INCREASE IN TRAFFIC THAT WILL LEAD TO TRAFFIC ON 209, EXCEPT BETWEEN SAND RIDGE AND HANLEY. THAT PART 209 WITH THE NEW SCHOOL IS GOING TO GO, IF THE BRIDGE GETS REPLACED IT WILL NEED ATTENTION. MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE TO 18 WEST OF 21 MOVE TO 6 AND WE COULD MAYBE, MOVE RUSSELL ROAD TO 7 AND WITH THE OTHERS TO 8 AND 9. AGAIN, STATE ROAD 21, THOSE IMPROVEMENTS ARE IN THE TOP FIVE CREATING THE SPOT BECAUSE OF THE FUNDING AT WELLS AND BLENDING. THE D.O.T. HAS ALREADY COMMITTED TO THAT. >> RICHARD, YOU READ MY MIND. I WOULD MAKE A PROPOSAL AND MAKE A MOTION TO MOVE COUNTY ROAD 218 WEST OF STATE ROAD 21 TWO NUMBER 6 AND WE SPLIT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN COUNTY ROAD 209 24 LANES FROM 315 TO HANLEY ROAD TO 7 AND LEAVE TO 18 AS NUMBER 8, SO WE SPLIT THE DIFFERENCE . JIM NIGHT DID MENTION SOMETHING HE WOULD LIKE TO SEE. WE DON'T WANT TO MOVE IT TOO FAR BECAUSE IF HE IS COMING IN WITH STATE DOLLARS WE ARE NOT EXPECTING THAT TAKES PRESSURE OFF SOME OF THE DOLLARS WE WERE INTENDING TO SPEND IF WE MOVE THOSE SOMEWHERE ELSE. THAT IS MY MOTION. 6 BECOME 7 . 7 BECOMES 6. WE SPLIT THE DIFFERENCE WITH 218 . >> I WILL SECOND. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. ALL THOSE NOT IN FAVOR, SAY NAY. [03:45:01] IT PASSES 5-0. IT INCLUDES A.THE RECOMMENDATION LIST AS A UPWP PROJECT. >> YES. >> OKAY. AND, C AND D WERE ALSO INCLUDED YOUR RECOMMENDATION? >> YES. >> GRANT OPPORTUNITIES RELATED TO ANY PROJECTS INCLUDED ON THE LIST, AS WELL AS AUTHORIZE ACCOUNTING MANAGER TO EXECUTE RELATED GRANT APPLICATIONS. >> ABSOLUTELY. >> OKAY. WE COVERED THAT. WE ARE DONE. >> MOVE ON TO THE LETTERS OF DOCUMENTATION , ITEM 18. BID [18.  Bid Opening Tabulations (K. Smith)] [19.  Tourist Development Council Meeting Minutes November 1, 2023.] OPENING TABULATIONS. >> IT IS JUST FOR DOCUMENTATION. DID WE RECEIVE MINUTES OF NOVEMBER 1ST? PUBLIC COMMENTS ARE OPEN ONE LAST TIME TONIGHT. ANYONE WISH TO SPEAK TO THE COMMISSION PLEASE STEP FORWARD. SEEING [COMMISSION AUDITOR] NONE , PUBLIC COMMENTS ARE CLOSED. COMMISSION AUDITOR? >> THANK YOU. A FEW MEETINGS AGO COMMISSIONER RENNINGER REQUESTED THAT THE MEMBERS OF THE VARIOUS COMMITTEES AND BOARD SHOULD MAKE AN ANNUAL PRESENTATION OF THE THINGS THEY HAVE DONE THE LAST YEAR AND THINGS THEY ARE WORKING ON. TODAY, I WILL MAKE A SHORT PRESENTATION ON THE GREEN COVE SPRINGS COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY. THESE ARE THE CURRENT MEMBERS . OUR CURRENT CHAIR WAS APPOINTED BY THE CITY. HE HAS A FOUR YEAR TERM. WE HAVE OUR VOICE --VICE CHAIR , THEN ROYAL WHO HAS A THREE-YEAR TERM AND ALSO APPOINTED BY THE CITY. HE HAS TWO MEMBERS APPOINTED BY THE BOARD, DR. BURKE WHO HAS A TWO-YEAR TERM AND MYSELF . I HAVE A FOUR-YEAR TERM AND THOSE FOUR MEMBERS HAVE APPOINTED OUR LAST BOARD MEMBER , ANDREA WITH A ONE-YEAR TERM. HER TERM SHOULD BE UP SOON SO WE SHOULD EITHER BE GETTING ANOTHER BOARD MEMBER OR REAPPOINTING HER. WE HAVE NOT DONE THAT YET. THIS SLIDE SHOWS THE APPROVALS THAT WE HAVE HAD THE LAST YEAR TO MAKE THE CRA OFFICIAL. YOU CAN SEE THAT IT WAS APPROVED BY THIS BOARD APRIL 25, 2023. CITY COUNCIL APPROVED IT IN MAY AND THE CRA BOARD APPROVED IT LATER IN MAY. WE DO HAVE A CRA PLAN WE HAVE IMPLEMENTED AND APPROVED AS PART OF THE BOARD. YOU CAN SEE IT HAS OUTLINED 10 OBJECTIVES FOR THE CRA . OUR BOARD MEETS QUARTERLY AND OUR NEXT MEETING IS THIS THURSDAY AT 10:00 A.M. WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN ANY FUNDING YET. WE GET OUR FIRST MONIES AT THE END OF THIS YEAR. SO, THERE IS NOT MUCH ACTION WE CAN DO, AS FAR AS IMPLEMENTING ANYTHING BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ANY MONEY YET IN THE CRA. IN THE PAST YEAR WE HAVE PRETTY MUCH, JUST MAJOR IT WAS OFFICIAL AND GOTTEN THE REDEVELOPMENT PLAN IMPLEMENTED . THIS YEAR WE ARE LOOKING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE A PLAN FOR OUR MONEY WHEN IT DOES COME IN. AND, WHAT WE [03:50:08] WANT TO SPEND THOSE MONIES ON. AT OUR MEETING THIS THURSDAY WE HAVE BEEN TASKED WITH LOOKING AT THESE 10 OBJECTIVES WE HAVE ALL AGREED ON AND FIGURING OUT WHAT OUR PRIORITIES ARE AND WHAT WE WANT TO CHAMPION AS EACH BOARD MEMBER. THAT IS ALL I HAD. DR. BURKE, DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU WANTED TO ADD? ANY QUESTIONS? >> QUESTION. IN TERMS OF THOSE THINGS YOU ARE GOING TO BE BRINGING TO THE LIST OF 10, IS THAT SOMETHING THIS BOARD CAN BE ASKED ABOUT REGARDING CERTAIN CONSIDERATIONS ? I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A LITTLE INPUT INTO THAT . >> WOULD YOU LIKE TO GIVE ME SOME THOUGHTS NOW QUICK >> NO. >> I WILL ASK AT THE NEXT BOARD MEETING. >> JUST SING THEM 30 SECONDS AGO, IT IS A LITTLE TOUGH TO COMMENT. >> WE WOULD LIKE TO INTERACT THROUGH OUR REPRESENTATIVES TO THE CRA. THEN, THEY CAN TAKE IT TO THEIR BOARD MEETINGS. GOOD POINT. >> REALLY, THE MEETING ON THURSDAY --AND WE MEET QUARTERLY, WE HAD A COUPLE OF PRESENTATIONS LAST MEETING ON FORM-BASED CODE. SO, THEY WANT TO CREATE WHAT THE BUILDINGS SHOULD LOOK LIKE WITHIN THE CRA. THEY WANT SIGNAGE TO ALL BE CONSISTENT THROUGHOUT GREEN COVE. THAT IS ONE PRESENTATION WE HAVE ALREADY SEEN SOME THINGS WE HAVE BEEN THINKING ABOUT. OUR MEETING ON THURSDAY , WE HAVE A PRESENTATION FOR PUBLIC ART. SO, SOME CREATIVE STRATEGIES TO SET GREEN COVE APART FROM THE REST OF THE COUNTY , MAKING IT UNIQUE AND WHAT WE CAN DO WITH DIFFERENT ART INSTALLATIONS . THE PRESENTATION --WE JUST GOT THE PACKAGE TODAY. IT TALKS ABOUT TRASH CANS. YOU CAN PAINT DIFFERENT TRASH CANS DIFFERENT WAYS THAT MAKE IT UNIQUE AND MAKES IT STAND OUT FOR GREEN COVE. THAT IS THE PRESENTATION WE ARE GETTING. I THINK WE HAVE OTHER PRESENTATIONS THEY WILL BRING TO US FOR WAYS WE CAN SET APART GREEN COVE. >> ON THAT SUBJECT, ARCHER PARK HAS DONE QUITE A BIT OF ART IN THE MUNICIPALITY BETWEEN MURALS AND STREET PAINTING OF ELECTRIC BOXES , SO THERE MIGHT BE SOME VALUE TO TALKING TO THE ART GUILD. >> ONE RECOMMENDATION I THOUGHT WAS NEAT WAS SOMETHING WE COULD DO THAT WOULD COST TOO MUCH MONEY TO START WITH. IT WAS A THING THAT CAME OUT OF THE RIVER, THE MOVIE. THEY THOUGHT THEY WOULD PUT A LITTLE SITE WHERE THAT IS WHERE IT WAS FOUND. WE HAVE GREAT HISTORY THEATRE THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T EVEN KNOW. I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW SOME OF IT. IT WAS PRETTY NEAT. >> OKAY. THANK YOU. COUNTY [COUNTY ATTORNEY] ATTORNEY? >> A COUPLE OF ITEMS , JUST TO FOLLOW UP ON FROM PREVIOUS BOARD MEETINGS. ONE OF THE REQUESTS WAS IN CONNECTION WITH THE CHALLENGER . YOU HAD RECEIVED A REQUEST FROM KENT SMALLWOOD AND FRANK MILLER IN ORDER TO MOVE FORWARD WITH A REVISED ORDINANCE , AS WELL AS TO FACILITATE POTENTIAL FUTURE BONDING FOR THE BUILDING OF ADDITIONAL ROADS. AS PART OF THAT , WE NEEDED TO OBTAIN OUR OWN INDEPENDENT LEGAL OPINION AS TO HOW TO PROCEED FORWARD. I CONSULTED OUR ATTORNEY WHO DOES PROVIDE OPINIONS IN CONNECTION WITH THE BONDING , THE BONDED TRANSPORTATION PROGRAM. HE IS ABLE TO, UNDER OUR CURRENT AGREEMENT WITH HI FOR THE BONDING TRANSPORTATION, HE IS ABLE TO FACILITATE AND DO PARTICULAR RESEARCH. HE WOULD PROPOSE THAT HE DO IT AT THE HOURLY RATE THAT IS IN THE AGREEMENT, WHICH IS A VERY REASONABLE RATE AND A NOT TO EXCEED AMOUNT OF $5000. HE FELT HE COULD GET THAT DONE FOR [03:55:03] THAT RATE. HE DID FEEL LIKE POTENTIALLY, IF HE FELT THIS WAS THE CORRECT PATH FORWARD HE WOULD RECOMMEND THAT YOU PROCEED , IF YOU DECIDE TO MOVE FORWARD THIS WAY , THAT YOU PROCEED FORWARD WITH THE BOND VALIDATION PROCEEDING, WHICH WOULD BE A SEPARATE FEE AND ACTION TO GET THE COURT TO VALIDATE THIS PROCESS BECAUSE IT IS VERY UNIQUE , WITH THERE BEING LIMITED PROPERTY OWNERS. BUT, THAT IS NOT SOMETHING YOU NEED TO DECIDE ON TODAY. REALLY, THE QUESTION TODAY IS WHETHER YOU WANT TO AUTHORIZE UNDER THE CURRENT AGREEMENT WE HAVE , SPENDING UP TO $5000 TO EXPLORE THIS ISSUE FOR THE CHALLENGER POTENTIAL BONDING. ONE QUESTION THAT COMMISSIONER RENNINGER HAD ASKED IS WHETHER OR NOT WE HAD FUNDS FROM THE CURRENT MST YOU TO BE ABLE TO PAY FOR IT IF IT WAS ALLOWED. I DISCUSSED THAT WITH TROY AND THEIR STILL THE LOAN THAT WAS ORIGINALLY DONE FOR CHALLENGER THAT NEEDS TO BE REPAID FIRST , AND THAT IS FIRST IN LINE. SO, THE ANSWER IS REALLY, NO. >> SO BASICALLY, YOU ARE SAYING , SHOULD WE SPEND $5000 TO FIND OUT IF WE CAN DO SOMETHING WE CAN'T AFFORD TO DO? >> I THINK THEY WANTED TO SET IT UP SO POTENTIALLY , IF YOU HAD THE RESOURCES FROM THE MSTU TO FUND THE ROAD , THE PONDING --BONDING OF THE ROAD THAT YOU WOULD BE SET UP. >> HAVE WE ASK THE DEVELOPER IF THEY ARE WILLING TO FRONT THE $5000? >> NO. >> TO MAKE OUR CONSTITUENTS PAY FOR A PROJECT THAT IS GOING TO BENEFIT A SINGLE DEVELOPER , I DON'T KNOW . I DON'T LIKE THAT. >> ISN'T THERE ALSO RECENTLY AT DRC ANOTHER TOWNHOME OR SOMETHING APPROVED IN THAT AREA ? WE ARE NOT HEADING DOWN THE PATH OF MORE JOBS. I THINK COMMISSIONER CELLA HAD ALLUDED TO THAT IN THE LAST CONVERSATION SO MAYBE, YOU HAD A HEADS UP ON THAT. I REMEMBER A MALE VOICE SAYING IT. I APOLOGIZE FOR CONFUSING YOU. I AM A LITTLE BIT TIRED. THAT IS A VALID POINT. >> THAT IS A CONCERN. THAT IS A 600 UNIT DEVELOPMENT THAT THEY ARE CONTRACTED TO BE BUILT. I WILL BE A LITTLE MORE BLUNT THEN THE CHAIRMAN BECAUSE I THINK WE HAVE WASTED ENOUGH TIME ON THIS. I AM NOT IN FAVOR OF THIS. I THINK IF THE OWNERS OF THE PROPERTY HAD SHOWN A LITTLE BIT OF COOPERATION AND DECIDED TO GO FOR A COMMERCIAL ENTRANCE THERE NEXT TO NIAGARA I MIGHT BE INTERESTED IN LISTENING. BUT, WE EXPECT HIM TO DO SOMETHING MORE THAN PAD HIS OWN POCKET AT THIS POINT. QUITE HONESTLY, HE KNOWS WE ARE ON THE HOOK FOR 750 JOBS OR WHATEVER IT IS AT THE END OF THE 10 YEAR PERIOD. THE BOTTOM LINE IS , IF HE WAS THAT WORRIED ABOUT GETTING THAT PAYBACK HE WOULD'VE HELPED OUT. I DON'T SEE HIS PROPERTY BEING MARKETED THROUGH COMMERCIAL REAL ESTATE VENTURES. HIS ATTORNEY STOOD IN FRONT OF US A COUPLE WEEKS AGO AND TOLD US THAT IT HAS BEEN HARD TO FIND COMMERCIAL PROPERTY. NO KIDDING. THAT IS WHY WE EXPECTED YOU TO BE OUT THERE TO FIND SOMEBODY TO BEAT THE BUSHES . INSTEAD, HE GOT ISSUES DEVELOPMENT STARTED. CONSEQUENTLY, IN MY MIND WE HAVE ALREADY DONE $1 MILLION WORTH AND THAT IS WHAT HE WAS GIVEN TO START THAT PROCESS. SO, IT IS NOT EVEN SOMETHING HE IS PAYING BACK AND THE MSTU IS PAYING IT BACK, RIGHT? SO NOW, WE GET A STANCHED --STATE GRANT AND GET IT FUNDED FOR HIM TO SELL HIS PROPERTY FOR $6 MILLION OR $7 MILLION. MY CONTENT --CONTENTION IS TO TAKE SOME OF THAT MONEY AND BUILD A PART OF THAT ROAD. I THINK IF HE HAD DONE SOMETHING A LITTLE DIFFERENT , THEN MAYBE I WOULD HAVE A LITTLE DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE AND LOOK ON THIS. SOME OF YOU DIDN'T SIT AROUND AND WATCH BOARD MEETINGS IN THAT TIMEFRAME. I USED TO LISTEN TO THEM IN THE CAR, FOR PETE'S SAKE. IN 2015 , THE BOARD DECIDED TO GIVE HIM THE $1 MILLION. THEY WERE PARCELING OUT MONEY, ABOUT $20 MILLION [04:00:04] OF BOND MONEY THEY MADE BY SAVING THE CHANGE ON THE ROAD ON HENLEY. HE STOOD UP THERE AND TOOK A HANDFUL OF PAPERS WITH CONTRACTS AND PEOPLE READY TO SIGN TO PUT BUSINESSES IN THERE. HERE WE ARE NINE YEARS LATER WAITING FOR ALL OF THOSE CONTRACTS. I THINK THE GOVERNMENT IS THERE TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BOOST AND A LITTLE SPARK TO GET THINGS GOING. BUT, I DON'T THINK GOVERNMENT SHOULD BE PAYING A FEE FOR SOMEBODY THAT'S GOING TO BENEFIT. THAT IS JUST THE WAY I FEEL ABOUT IT. >> HOW DO YOU REALLY FEEL? >> DO YOU HAVE MORE TIME? >> SO, DO WE FEEL IT IS THE CONSENSUS TO HOLD OFF AT THIS POINT? >> SO, AS AN UPDATE , AS YOU RECALL WE HAVEBEEN WORKING IN COMMISSIONER COMPERE'S DISTRICT ON A DIFFERENT TRANSFER . THE MIDDLE VILLAGE CDD HAD THE PART OF PLANTATION OAKS BOULEVARD AND FOR WHATEVER REASON, THEY STILL OWNED IT AND IT IS A RIGHT-OF-WAY. YOU AGREED TO APPROVE THE TRANSFER OF THAT AS LONG AS WE ENTERED INTO AN AGREEMENT FOR THE LANDSCAPE MAINTENANCE. THEY WANTED TO MAINTAIN IT, BUT IF THEY EVER DECIDE NOT TO IT WOULD BE THE COUNTY. WE FLUSH THAT OUT AND THE INTERLOCAL HAS BEEN SIGNED AND RECORDED, AS WELL AS THE TRANSFER OF THAT RIGHT AWAY. THE SECOND TRANSFER THE CONNECTION WITH THE LIBRARY WITH DOUBLE BRANCH. WE ARE STILL WORKING THROUGH THAT. WE ARE VERY CLOSE. THEY WANTED CONVERTER IN IT SO THAT IF, FOR INSTANCE WE DO NOT USE IT FOR A LIBRARY OR A COMMUNITY CENTER THAT HAS A LIBRARY, THEY GET IT BACK. THEY WOULD LIKE TO PUT A TIME CONSTRAINT ON THAT. WE ARE NEGOTIATING THAT. WE ARE HOPING TO BE ABLE TO GET INTO AT LEAST A FIVE YEAR TIME COMMITMENT. WE ARE STILL WORKING ON THAT. LASTLY , AT THE LAST MEETING THE BOARD DISCUSSED THROUGH COMMISSIONER CELLA ISSUES REGARDING MANY WAREHOUSES. COMMISSIONER CELLA HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THAT AND PULLING STUFF TOGETHER AND WE ARE STILL WORKING ON IT AND WE WILL BE ABLE TO BRING SOMETHING FURTHER BACK ON THAT. ALSO, ON THE COLLEGE DRIVE OVERLAY APPLE TOGETHER SOME MATERIALS WITH THE HELP OF PLANNING AND COMMISSIONER CELLA AND I WILL GET THAT REPORT BACK. I THINK I HAVE HIT EVERYTHING UNLESS YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE. >> JUST ONE QUICK THING. I LIKE THE IDEA THAT REVERTER . IS THERE ANY WAY --OFTENTIMES, WE PASSED A ZONING OR SOMETHING AND NOTHING EVER HAPPENS. IS THAT SOMETHING THAT IS CAPABLE OF BEING DONE QUITE >> INTERESTINGLY, WE ARE WORKING ON SOMETHING WITH THE YMCA TODAY. IT IS REALLY IN THE TRANSFER OF PROPERTY. WE NOTICED THAT IN THEIR DEED THE COUNTY CONVEYED IT TO THE YMCA AND IF THEY DIDN'T CONSTRUCT IT WITHIN A CERTAIN PERIOD OF TIME REVERTED BACK TO US. THAT WAS BACK IN THE '80S. WHEN WE DO TRANSFER PARTY --PROPERTY, I THINK WE WERE GOING TO PUT THAT REVERTER IN AFFORDABLE HOUSING. THAT IS AN OPTION, AS FAR AS WHEN WE ARE THE PEOPLE TRANSFERRING THE PROPERTY. >> THANK YOU. [COUNTY MANAGER] >> COUNTY MANAGER? >> CHAIRMAN AND COMMISSIONERS I HAVE THREE ITEMS. JUST AN UPDATE ON THE ANIMAL SURRENDER . IT FINISHED UP AT ABOUT 5:40 THIS AFTERNOON. 107 TOTAL ANIMALS AND 94 DOGS AND 13 CATS. I HAVE GONE THROUGH THE WEBSITE AND THE TEAM IS DONEA WONDERFUL JOB INCLUDING THIS WEBSITE WITH THE HEADER. YOU CAN CLICK THE HEADER AND YOU CAN FIND OUT WHAT ITEMS ARE NEEDED . THEY ARE ALL LISTED , SUCH AS LEADS, PUPPY PADS, FOOD AND ALL OF THESE THINGS. THERE IS ALSO A LINK TO GO AND VOLUNTEER. IT WILL TELL YOU HOW MANY SLOTS ARE LEFT AT A PARTICULAR TIME FRAME. THERE IS A MORNING AND AFTERNOON TIMEFRAME. AND, WE ALSO HAVE 8-12 AND 12-4. FIVE VOLUNTEERS ARE RECOMMENDED FOR [04:05:03] EACH SHIFT. HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS AGE 14-17 CAN VOLUNTEER WITH AN ADULT. AND YOU CAN ALSO ADOPT THE ANIMAL HERE. THESE ITEMS CAN BE DROPPED OFF AT THE FAIRGROUNDS. THERE IS ALSO A DONATE HERE BUTTON ON THE WEBSITE THAT YOU CAN DONATE SOME MONEY. I JUST WANTED TO LET THE COMMUNITY KNOW ABOUT THIS. AND, I AM ALREADY SEEING THAT PEOPLE ARE VOLUNTEERING . THE FRIDAY AFTERNOON SPOT IS ALREADY TAKEN UP. NUMBER TWO, THE COMPANY CALLED WEST FRASER , A LUMBERING COMPANY OFF OF 218 WAS IN THE NEWS . APPROXIMATELY 80 EMPLOYEES ARE LOSING THEIR JOBS . THE WEST FRASER COMPANY HAS BEEN IN BUSINESS FOR MANY, MANY YEARS. THEIR LAST DAY OF OPENING WAS THE 19TH AND THE EMPLOYEES WERE GIVEN A 60 DAY NOTICE, SO THEY WILL OFFICIALLY LOSE THEIR JOB ON THE 19TH OF MARCH. WE HEARD ABOUT THIS AND I ASKED THE HR DEPARTMENT TO GO OUT ON THURSDAY, THE DAY PRIOR TO SHUTTING THE DOORS AND WE DROPPED OFF A LISTING OF JOBS AVAILABLE IN THE COUNTY AND PACKETS OF INFORMATION TO HELP OUT THOSE EMPLOYEES. YOU HAVE ELECTRICIANS AND SUPERVISORS AND EQUIPMENT OPERATORS. ARE REALLY TRYING TO GET AHEAD OF THAT. AT THE SAME TIME, I WAS LEARNING ABOUT THIS , COMMISSIONER CONDON HAD TEXTED ME ABOUT THIS. WHEN I LOOKED AT IT THERE WAS A LETTER THAT TROY FOUND THAT WENT TO DUVALL , NOT CLAY COUNTY AND IT WAS A NOTIFICATION LETTER. SO, I TOOK IMMEDIATE ACTION AND I WANT TO THANK TROY AND THE HR DEPARTMENT FOR GOING OUT THERE. WE WILL KEEP YOU POSTED IF WE ARE SUCCESSFUL IN HIRING THEM. THOSE OTHER PROJECTS THAT ARE OUT THERE AND ONGOING , THEY CAN'T COME SOON ENOUGH FOR THOSE FOLKS. MAYBE, IN THE MEANTIME WE CAN HELP THEM AND THEY WILL START WORKING FOR THE COUNTY. I ALSO HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO GO OUT TO THE CECIL ADVISORY COUNCIL AND BOEING WILL HAVE AN OPENING NEXT MONTH. A RIBBON-CUTTING FOR THEIR 400,000 SQUARE-FOOT FACILITY REWORK. THEY HAVE ANOTHER FACILITY THAT WILL COME ONLINE IN ABOUT 1.5 YEARS. IT IS 200,000 SQUARE-FOOT AND IT WILL REFURBISH TANKERS. THE OTHER HANKER WILL REFURBISH ANOTHER PIECE OF EQUIPMENT. THERE ARE LOTS OF JOBS AVAILABLE IN THE COUNTY THROUGHOUT. THERE ARE A LOT OF OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE SPACE INDUSTRY AND THEY TESTED AT LEAST ONE ROCKET RECENTLY OUT THERE. I THINK THERE WILL BE SOME MORE FOLLOW-UP DOWN THE ROAD . FINALLY, A REALLY GREAT NEWS . LAST NIGHT, THE CFO AND STATE FIRE MARSHAL RECOGNIZED OUTSTANDING FIREFIGHTERS IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA FOR THE FIRE SERVICE AWARDS. OUT ON FIREFIGHTER, JOHN LONG WAS RECOGNIZED AND AWARDED THE CAREER FIREFIGHTER OF THE YEAR. THIS IS HUGE. THIS IS BIG NEWS. I WILL COORDINATE TO BRING HIM BEFORE THE BOARD. I JUST WANTED TO SHARE THIS GREAT INFORMATION WITH YOU. WE HAD THE CHIEF OUT THERE IN ATTENDANCE TO CONGRATULATE HIM PERSONALLY. HE HAS A FEW THINGS TODAY AND THE REST OF THE WEEK AND EVENTS THAT ARE ONGOING. YES, HE HAD THE DOCS WITH HIM. HE WAS A GREAT HIT. PENDING MANY QUESTIONS, THAT IS ALL I HAVE. >> HE IS AT STATION 15, RIGHT QUICK >> YES, MA'AM. >> THIS EVENT TODAY WITH THE DOGS , DID IT MAKE THE NEWS? >> FOR THE JOBS, HAVE WE CORRECTED CAREER SOURCE? >> YES. THEY ARE AWARE OF IT. YES, SIR. >> BOEING AND OTHER COMPANIES ARE LOOKING FOR SKILLED WORKERS . THAT IS WHY WE DEVELOPED THE CENTER OF EXCELLENCE OUT THERE. THEY HAVE DONE SOME PHENOMENAL THINGS. THEY NEED TO TRAIN AIRCRAFT MECHANICS. OKAY. THAT IS ALL I HAVE. >> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. COMMISSIONERS? [COMMISSIONERS' COMMENTS] >> WITH WEST FRASER, THE UNFORTUNATE THING IS IF YOU TAKE THE FIRST COAST EXPRESSWAY AND GO TOWARDS JACKSONVILLE EAST ON I-10 , THERE IS A HUGE BILLBOARD ADVERTISING FOR WEST FRASER THAT SAYS THEY ARE HIRING. CLEARLY , THEY ARE NOT. I TALKED WITH RANDOLPH PAGEANT WHO IS A VERY EXPERIENCED [04:10:03] FORRESTER AND HE IS A DISTRICT CONSTITUENT AND HE TOLD ME THAT IN THE LOGGING INDUSTRY THIS HAPPENS A LOT. OUT OF THE BLUE THEY WILL JUST DECIDE TO CLOSE. IT IS UNFORTUNATE BECAUSE THE SAWMILL HAS BEEN THERE FOR YEARS. GENERATIONS OF FOLKS HAVE WORKED THERE. PARENTS AND GRANDPARENTS AND THEIR KIDS. WE ARE TRYING TO LOOK OUT FOR THOSE EMPLOYEES, AS WELL. I DID HAVE ONE QUESTION FOR TROY. YOU SAID AT THIS TIME WE WERE GOING TO LET SOME OF THE RESCUES BE INVOLVED. WE DID NOT ALLOW THAT THE LAST TIME. ONE OF MY CONCERNS IS THAT FREQUENTLY, RESIDENTS WHO SAY ALL OF THE SMALL, CUTE DOGS GET PULLED BY THE RESCUES AND WHAT IS LEFT ARE THE UNADOPTABLE DOGS. I WANTED TO ASK ABOUT THAT. >> THIS IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT BECAUSE THE LAST ONE , REMEMBER WAS AN ACTUAL SEIZURE AND WE HAD TO FOLLOW ALL OF THE CUSTODY RULES. BY THE TIME WE GOT TO THOSE SIX WEEKS THE NEWS WERE OFTEN WE RAN THE ADOPTION EVENT. I HAVE NO ISSUES THAT RESCUES CAN PULL ALL THE DOGS THAT ARE TWO YEARS AND OLDER AND WE CAN HOLD BACK THE OTHER DOCS. >> LET'S BE REAL. I GUESS THE UNDER 30 POUND DOGS IS REALLY MORE OF WHAT IS ADOPTABLE. WE HAVE A POLICY THAT SAYS --I AGREE. BUT , WE HAVE A POLICY IN OUR OWN SHELTER DOGS THAT SAYS WE WILL HOLD A DOG FOR TWO WEEKS. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE ARE FOLLOWING THAT. 94 DOGS IS A LOT TO GET RID OF. >> I WILL TALK TO ERNEST ABOUT THAT. WE WILL KEEP THE YOUNGER SMALLER DOGS IN THE SHELTER AND TRY TO OUTSOURCE THE RESCUES . THEY HAVE THE OLDER DOGS . WE WILL TRY TO GET THAT DONE. WHEN WE GET TO A POINT WHERE WE ARE OVER CAPACITY WE WILL TRY TO PUSH WHATEVER WE CAN GET THEM. >> ABSOLUTELY. >> THANK YOU. >> THIS RESCUE WAS IN MY DISTRICT. WE APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT IN THIS SITUATION , THIS RESIDENT THOUGHT SHE WAS SAVING ANIMALS AND JUST DIDN'T HAVE A SAY, NO SWITCH. WE DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO GET INTO THAT POSITION. THIS BECOMES A BURDEN ON OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND ON THE TAXPAYERS. WE JUST ENCOURAGE PEOPLE , IF YOU FIND YOURSELF IN A DIFFICULT SITUATION, CONTCT ANIMAL SERVICES AND WORK WITH THEM. YOU HEAR PEOPLE TALK THAT THEY FEAR THEY WON'T GET THEIR DOG BACK AND THAT IS NOT A ROLL. WE DON'T WANT YOUR ANIMAL. WE WANT YOU TO TAKE CARE OF THEM. >> IN THIS CIRCUMSTANCE , IT IS EASIER IF THEY ARE WILLING TO SURRENDER THEM AND LET US COME IN AND HELP THEM BECAUSE IN A LOT OF CIRCUMSTANCES WE ARE RUNNING VOLUNTEERS FOR SIX OR EIGHT WEEKS WITH THE SEIZURE AND THAT WHOLE THING. IT IS MUCH EASIER IF WE HAVE A SURRENDER. THANK YOU, WE WILL TAKE IT. IT GO SO MUCH SMOOTHER. I CAN'T SAY ENOUGH ABOUT THE TEAM OUT THERE TODAY BETWEEN EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT, THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, THE PIO STAFF AND MY ANIMAL SERVICES STAFF TO MOVE 100+ ANIMALS IN ONE DAY, INCLUDING TESTING, VACCINATION AND HAVE MINIMAL CONCERNS. WE HAVE A GREAT TEAM. >> ONE MORE QUESTION REGARDING THAT. IN A SURRENDER SITUATION , IS THE PERSON ALLOWED TO OWN ANIMALS AGAIN? >> THIS WAS NOT --THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE WAS JUST THERE MAINLY FOR SECURITY . THIS INDIVIDUAL HAS NO CHARGES AGAINST THEM. IF THEY HAVE ANOTHER ANIMAL , WE HOPE THEY WILL LIMIT IT TO ONE OR TWO ANIMALS THEY CAN MANAGE. AGAIN, THERE ARE NO CHARGES. THIS WAS THE RIGHT WAY TO HANDLE THIS. SHE SIGNED OVER THE ANIMALS. IT WILL BE A GOOD OUTCOME. THANK YOU. >> THE KEYSTONE HEIGHTS WOMEN'S CUP LAST WEEK AND CELEBRATED 100 YEARS. IT WAS A NICE EVENT. THEY HAVE DONE SOMETHING PRETTY CREATIVE. AS THE WOMEN'S CLUB IS AGING THEY MERGED WITH THEIR JUNIOR WOMEN'S CLUB. THEY HAVE BECOME ONE CLUB AND BROUGHT THEIR YOUTH IN. IT WAS ALSO MENTIONED EARLIER THAT SERVICES THE IMPACT CLAY TRAIN AND THE CELEBRATION OF THE WOMEN'S CLUB GOING ON AT THE SAME TIME MADE IT A GREAT IMPACT. CLAY TRAIN WAS THE [04:15:04] INAUGURAL EVENT. THEY ENDED UP WITH JUST ABOUT AS MANY VOLUNTEERS AS THEY SERVED. THE ONLY NEGATIVE THAT I SAW WAS THEY HAVE TO FIND A WAY TO COMMUNICATE BETTER AS TO WHERE IT IS AVAILABLE AND LOCATED. IT WAS A SUCCESS FOR THEIR INAUGURAL EVENT. THEY HAVE AN EVENT IN FEBRUARY IN CLAY HILL. I AM GOING TO BE VISITING ONE OF MY KIDS THAT IS OUT OF TOWN THAT WEEKEND SO I WILL MISS IT. THEY HAVE A WHOLE SCHEDULE. IF YOU GO TO THE IMPACT CLAY WEBSITE YOU CAN SEE WHERE THEY ARE PLANNING TO GO AND THE SERVICES THEY OFFER. IT IS A GREAT ADDITION TO OUR COMMUNITY. I WOULD LIKE TO FORMALLY CONGRATULATE MR. CHARLIE VAN ZANDT . HE IS THE NEW KEYSTONE HEIGHTS CITY MANAGER. CHARLIE HAS GROWN UP IN KEYSTONE HEIGHTS. SOME OF YOU MAY REMEMBER HE WAS A LONGTIME SCHOOL BOARD MEMBER FOR THE DISTRICT AT THAT TIME, 3. HE WAS SUPERINTENDENT OF SCHOOLS AND HE ALSO SERVED OUR NATION IN THE NATIONAL GUARD AND RETIRED AS A LIEUTENANT COLONEL. FINALLY , I THINK HIS WIFE WAS READY FOR HIM TO FIND SOMETHING ELSE TO DO. HE LOVES KEYSTONE HEIGHTS AND HE HAS A DEGREE IN POLITICAL SCIENCE. HE HAS A PASSION AROUND GOOD PUBLIC POLICY, AS WE DO. I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH HIM ABOUT SOME OF HIS VISION. IT IS GOOD. THE FINAL THING I WOULD LIKE TO SAY IS THAT I HAVE TAKEN SOME HEAT ON SOCIAL MEDIA , WHICH I AM A BIG GIRL AND I CAN TAKE. THE BOAT RAMP IN KEYSTONE HEIGHTS --THE LAKES ARE COMING UP AND THE WATER TABLE IS HIGH. THE COUNTY OWNS THREE BOAT RAMPS IN KEYSTONE HEIGHTS. ONE IS LOCATED WITHIN --JUST OUTSIDE OF THE CITY LIMITS ON MARKS BOULEVARD ON STATE ROAD 21. IT IS A KAYAK LAUNCH AND AN UNIMPROVED BOAT RAMP. IT USED TO HAVE CONCRETE 30 YEARS AGO AND D.O.T. HAS WIDENED 21 ENOUGH THAT IT DOESN'T HAVE ENOUGH PROPERTY TO HAVE A RAMP WITH PARKING. SO, THAT WILL REMAIN AN UNIMPROVED BOAT RAMP. IT IS AVAILABLE NOW AND YOU CAN KAYAK OR WHATEVER. WE ALSO HAVE ANOTHER LEG GENEVA BOAT RAMP THAT IS BEAUTIFUL. IT IS ONE OF THE PROPERTIES THAT HAS A BIG LAKE. WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT THE PROJECT THAT REPRESENTATIVE PAIN HAS HAD A SPEARHEADING. THAT PROPERTY WILL NEED PARKING IMPROVEMENTS AND DINGS LIKE THAT. THE PARKS AND REC AND TOURISM HAVE BEEN WORKING CLOSELY TOGETHER TO COME UP WITH A PLAN THAT IS PART OF THE MASTER PLAN SO WE CAN MAKE DECISIONS ON THAT GOING FORWARD. I THINK WE ARE ALL IN ALIGNMENT ON THAT ONE. THE THIRD ONE IS THE LAKE BENTON BOAT RAMP ON KING STREET WHICH IS OFF STATE ROAD 100. 30 YEARS AGO , IT WAS A CONCRETE BOAT RAMP WHERE YOU COULD LAUNCH A BOAT OF ANY RECREATIONAL VALUE INTO LAKE BROOKLYN. WHEN THE WATER DROPPED, THE COUNTY DESTROYED THE CONCRETE. SO, IT WAS THEN OPENED LATER ON AS A KAYAK ONLY , NONMOTORIZED BOAT LUNCH. WE HAVE BEEN OPERATING UNDER COMMUNICATION WITH THE WC AND UNDER THEIR DIRECTION. THE COUNTY OWNS THE LAND UP TO THE WATER AND STATE SOVEREIGN LANDS OWNS THE WATER AND WATERWAYS IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA. RENTS INTO WATERWAYS ARE CONTROLLED BY SWC. WE HAVE BEEN TELLING RESIDENTS THAT AND I'VE BEEN CALLED ALL KINDS OF NAMES. I'VE BEEN CALLED A LIAR AND EVERYTHING YOU CAN THINK OF, WHICH IS FINE. YOU CAN CALL ME WHAT YOU WANT TO. BUT, THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS RESIDENTS HAVE BEEN CALLING AROUND TO SWC AND THAT WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT AND GETTING DIFFERENT ANSWERS. WE HAVE EVEN HAD COUNTY STAFF DOING SOME WORK AND TELLING RESIDENTS IT WILL BE BACK OPEN IN THREE WEEKS. I AM GOING TO PUBLIC TELL THE RESIDENTS OF KEYSTONE [04:20:05] HEIGHTS, I HAVE TOLD YOU TONIGHT EVERYTHING THAT I KNOW. I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER INFORMATION. I AM FRUSTRATED BECAUSE I CAN'T GET A STRAIGHT ANSWER AND I'VE ASKED FOR MEETINGS WITH THESE PEOPLE AND NOBODY CAN SET UP MEETINGS. I AM WORKING AS HARD AS I CAN TO GET PUBLIC ACCESS BACK OPEN TO THOSE LAKES IN KEYSTONE , BUT I CAN ONLY DO WHAT I CAN DO. I HAVE THE CONTACTS WE CAN HAVE, THE COUNTY MANAGER WILL HELP ME, BUT IT IS QUITE FRUSTRATING TO BE CALLED ALL KINDS OF NAMES. MR. BURKE IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU HAVE THIS PAINFULLY LATELY. WHEN YOU'RE TRYING TO DO THE BEST YOU CAN ENTER RESIDENTS DON'T THINK IT IS ENOUGH. THE WATER HAS COME BACK UP AND WHAT I FOUND OUT IS THAT THE FWC GUY THAT WAS OUT THERE TODAY TELLING THE RESIDENTS THAT THE FWC WILL NEVER PUT ANY CONCRETE BACK OUT THERE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. HE HADN'T BEEN THERE SINCE MARCH AND HE WENT TODAY BECAUSE PEOPLE HAVE BEEN CALLING. HE IS THE ONE WHO HAS TOLD THE RESIDENTS THAT THE COUNTY HAS THE RESPONSIBILITY. IT IS SUPER FRUSTRATING. IT IS BUREAUCRACY AT ITS BEST. I JUST NEEDED TO BE ABLE TO TELL THAT TO MY CONSTITUENTS. IF YOU ENJOY THE LAKES IN KEYSTONE YOU ARE WELCOME REGARDLESS OF WHERE YOU LIVE. FINALLY, I WOULD JUST SAY THAT I DID HAVE TO COME BACK FROM TALLAHASSEE EARLY. I HAVE HAD AN EMERGENCY IN MY FAMILY. MY MOTHER IS ILL AND MY FAMILY IS WORKING THREE NIGHTS. I APPRECIATE THE PRAYERS AND PATIENTS. THERE IS A REASON YOU HAVEN'T SEEN ME IN PICTURES. I HAD TO MISS SOME THINGS LAST WEEKEND BUT FAMILY COMES FIRST. I WILL STAND BY THAT. I APPRECIATE YOUR PRAYERS AND THOUGHTS. THANK YOU. >> I JUST WANTED TO FOLLOW UP ON YOUR REQUEST, MR. CHAIR ABOUT OUR VARIOUS APPOINTMENTS . THE NORTHEAST FLORIDA ACTION AGENCY IS ONE OF THE APPOINTMENTS I HAD. OUR FIRST MEETING IS THIS THURSDAY. AS MOST PROBABLY ALREADY KNOW THE PRIMARY OBJECT OF IS PARTNERSHIP TO STABILIZE HOUSEHOLDS AND REALLY GEAR TOWARDS SELF-SUFFICIENCY WITHIN THESE HOMES. I AM REALLY EXCITED TO SEE WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. THEY DID DISPERSE THE AGENDA, SO IT LOOKS PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD. I WASN'T ON IT LAST YEAR, SO I AM LOOKING FORWARD TO BRINGING YOU BACK A SYNOPSIS FIRST THING NEXT COMMISSION MEETING . I DO FEEL BAD FOR COMMISSIONER CONDON NOT BEING ABLE TO BE AT CLAY DAY THE ENTIRE DAY. I KNOW SHE GOT TO GO TUESDAY AND CAME BACK FIRST THING WEDNESDAY MORNING. WE MISSED YOU. MY PERCEPTION OF CLAY DAY IS THAT IT WAS A SUCCESS. OUR COUNTY STAFF DID THE NORMAL JOB. THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE DID A REALLY GREAT JOB FACILITATING. REALLY GREAT NETWORKING OPPORTUNITIES. IT WAS A GOOD TIME. THE WEATHER WAS BRUTAL FOR THIS CARIBBEAN GIRL. I CAN REMEMBER WALKING UP TO COMMISSIONER CELLA AND CHAIRMAN RENNINGER. I LOOKED AT MIKE AND I SAID, ARE YOU OK? I REMEMBERED HE IS IN EVEN FROM HERE. HE IS USED TO THAT WEATHER. I, ON THE OTHER HAND WAS FREEZING. NONE THE LESS WE HAD A GREAT TIME MEETING WITH OUR STATE DELEGATES. I THINK WE GOT A SHOUT OUT ON THE SENATE FLOOR. MY MANAGING PARTNER AT WORK SAID HE SAW US ON THE NEWS. I DON'T KNOW. I DIDN'T LOOK INTO IT. APPARENTLY, WE ARE GETTING SOME GOOD PRESS ON THAT. THANKS SO MUCH TO THE STAFF FOR ALL THE EFFORT. IT REALLY DOES SHOW THE INTENTION AND THE PLANNING . HATS OFF. THAT IS ALL I HAVE TONIGHT. >> COMMISSIONER CELLA? >> OLD GERM BOY OVER HERE. ALL RIGHT. I HAVE TO ECHO THE THANKS AND APPLAUD FOR OUR STAFF ON CLAY DAY. IT WAS HANDLED WELL. FOR THE FIRST TIME , I THINK I GOT A POSITIVE RESPONSE THAT I DIDN'T GET . I THINK WE ARE KNOCKING THE WALL DOWN A LITTLE BIT IN TERMS OF WHERE CLAY COUNTY IS INTO CLAY COUNTY IS BETWEEN THE APPROPRIATIONS PRIORITY LIST THAT WE DROPPED OFF ON EVERYBODY'S DESK . WE DROPPED OFF BOXES AND WHEN THEY BROUGHT THEM IN JADEN BRADLEY MUST'VE BEEN HUNGRY FOR LUNCH. SHE WAS DISAPPOINTED THEY WERE PIZZA. MAYBE NEXT YEAR. I THINK THE RESPONSE [04:25:04] GETS CHANNELED THROUGH OUR STATE DELEGATION. WE ONLY HAD THREE. WE GET MORE THAN OUR SHARE. LET'S KEEP OUR FINGERS CROSSED THAT THEY WILL DO THEIR THING AND MAKE SURE THEY RETURN A BUNCH OF DOLLARS TO US. THAT CERTAINLY HELPS. THANK YOU TO OUR ANIMAL SHELTER FOLKS AND THE FOLKS THAT WORK IN ANIMAL CONTROL. WHAT THEY DID TODAY WAS GREAT. THANKS TO ALL OF OUR STAFF THAT WERE WHO OUT THERE. I SEE A LOT OF POSTINGS. THEY SAY WE ARE KILLING THE DOGS AND THAT IS NOT TOO. WE HAVE A BUNCH OF PEOPLE THAT CARE A GREAT DEAL ABOUT THOSE ANIMALS. IT WAS SHOWN TODAY. TOMORROW IS SUPPOSED TO BE 80 DEGREES AND THAT IS JUST IN TIME FOR THE COLLEGE DRIVE INITIATIVE FOOD TRUCKS TO COME BACK ON FRIDAY AT THE CHURCH ON THE CORNER OF BLANDING AND COLLEGE DRIVE. SOME OF THE CRUISERS WILL BE THERE AND IT WILL BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET OUTSIDE AND SOAK UP SOME FLORIDA WARMTH AND HUMIDITY. IF I COULD, ON IMPACT OF CLAY TRAIN , COMMISSIONER I KNOW YOU WERE TIED UP AND COULDN'T BE THERE. I WAS THERE AND WE HAD ABOUT 75 VOLUNTEERS AND ABOUT 80 RESIDENTS THAT SHOWED UP . IT WILL BE AT THE SAME LOCATION EVERY THIRD SATURDAY OF THE MONTH. RIGHT NOW, THE ROTATION IS KEYSTONE , NEXT MONTH IT WILL BE CLAY HILL ELEMENTARY, NEXT MONTH GROVE PARK ELEMENTARY AND IT WILL START AGAIN. WE WILL KEEP AN EYE ON THAT. >> THEY WENT THROUGH THE SCHOOL BUT, THEY DIDN'T TAKE ADVANTAGE OF WHAT THE SCHOOL HAD TO OFFER. THEY DELIVERED SOMETHING ELECTRONIC TO THE MEDIA AND IT WASN'T THE WAY THE SCHOOL WAS ABLE TO MAKE COPIES AND PASS OUT FLYERS. IT WAS THE FIRST TIME. THERE ARE BUGS. THEY DID HAIRCUTS AND THEY HAD SHOWERS. THERE WAS A GUY THAT HADN'T HAD A WARM SHOWER IN FOUR MONTHS. THEY WERE GIVING OUT PERSONAL CARE ITEMS AND THEY HAVE MENTAL HEALTH ADVISERS THERE. THEY WERE SERVING HOT DOGS AND HAMBURGERS FOR PEOPLE WHO JUST WALKED UP AND ALL FREE OF CHARGE. THERE WAS A LOT OF POSITIVE REACTION FROM THOSE FOLKS THAT NEEDED SERVICES AND NEEDED SERIOUS HELP. HOPEFULLY, THEY ARE ON THEIR WAY TO GETTING THAT HELP. THAT IS THE CLAY TRAIN. IGNORE ALL VIDEOS OR STILL PICTURE SHOWING ME WRITING IN THE KIDDIE TRAIN IN THE CABOOSE. THOSE ARE ALL DEEP FAKES. I DID HAVE FUN. IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO VOLUNTEER , THEY COULD CERTAINLY HELP YOU WITH THAT. THANK YOU. >> SPEAKING OF CLAY DAY, I ECHO EVERYTHING. I THINK IT MAKES ME FEEL LIKE WE COME FROM SUCH A SPECIAL PLACE WHEN WE GO THERE. IT IS NOT JUST STAFF OR US, THERE ARE RESIDENTS THAT COME . IT IS REALLY A NEAT THING. PEOPLE WANT TO BE INVOLVED. YES , IT WAS FREEZING BUT WE DID FIND A WAY TO HAVE A GOOD TIME. I GOT A LETTER AND I KNOW THE COUNTY ATTORNEY GOT IT ABOUT THE FIREWORKS. CROSS CREEK --I WAS OUT OF TOWN FOR NEW YEAR'S, BUT THIS HOME HAD FIREWORKS AND THERE WAS AND EXPLOSION THAT COULD BE HEARD FOR MILES. THIS RESIDENT IS ASKING IF WE HAVE ANYTHING THAT NEEDS TO BE ENFORCED. THEY WANT TO KNOW IF THERE IS A COUNTY ORDINANCE THAT WOULD BAN IT BETWEEN 10:00. I GUESS IT WENT ON A LOT LATER THAN 10:00. AND, IF WE CAN BAN FIREWORKS IN DENSELY POPULATED COMMUNITIES , SUCH AS CROSS CREEK . I DON'T KNOW. DO YOU HAVE ANY ANSWER WITH THAT? >> WE HAVE BEEN LOOKING AT IT. IT IS PRETTY CLEAR THAT IF YOU HAVE A HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION AND THEY HAVE CERTAIN RESTRICTIONS, THEY CAN. AS YOU KNOW, IT IS ALSO CLEAR THAT ON NEW YEAR'S EVE AND NEW YEAR'S DAY AND THE FOURTH OF JULY YOU CAN SHOOT OFF FIREWORKS. YOU WOULD HAVE TO COME UP WITH RESTRICTIONS TO ENFORCE. >> I THINK THEY EVEN DAMAGED OTHER HOMES. SO, THEY WOULD [04:30:04] HAVE TO GO THROUGH WHATEVER THE PROPER CHANNELS ARE FOR THAT. >> I DID REFER TO THE FIRE CHIEF TO LOOK SOME MORE . WE CAN LOOK INTO THE LEGAL SIDE OF IT. WE HAVEN'T HAD A RESPONSE BACK YET. >> OKAY. THAT IS ALL I HAVE. THE COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE BY CLAY DAY I WILL MAKE A STATEMENT THAT ELECTIONS HAVE CONSEQUENCES. IN THIS CASE I WILL SPEAK OF POSITIVE CONSEQUENCES. WE HAVE A STRONG DELEGATION. WE HAD A STRONG DELEGATION IN THE PAST AND WE HAVE ONE NOW AND I THINK WE WILL HAVE ONE IN THE FUTURE. THE REASON I SAY THAT IS, WE HAVE A GREAT SPEAKER TODAY AND DANNY PEREZ IS COMING UP AND SAM GARRISON. THE IMPORTANT THING I WANT TO TALK ABOUT IS THE THE COLLABORATIVE ASPECT BETWEEN SPEAKER DESIGNATE PEREZ AND GARRISON . MISS PEREZ IS FROM MIAMI AND GARRISON IS FROM CLAY COUNTY. IN THE PAST, IT WAS ALWAYS A FOOD FIGHT BETWEEN NORTH AND SOUTH, BETWEEN MIAMI WHERE THEY SAY BLACK AND WE WOULD SAVE WHITE . WE WOULD SAY GO, AND THEY WOULD SAY STOP. IT WAS ALWAYS A FIGHT. I SPENT A LOT OF TIME WITH SPEAKER PEREZ , TO THE POINT WHERE HE HAS STATED THAT AFTER HIS SPEAKERSHIP HE WANTS TO BE MAYOR OF CLAY COUNTY. I WARNED HIM I WOULD BE WATCHING HIM WHEN HE IS SPEAKER THAT HE DOESN'T SAY ANY BAD THINGS. NONETHELESS, IT WAS A VERY CHALLENGING EVENT WITH THE WEATHER AND LOGISTICS , PARKING AND ALL OF THAT STUFF. I WANT TO COMPLEMENT THE STAFF AND EVERYBODY THAT HAD A HAND IN PUTTING THAT TOGETHER. AND, KEEPING US WARM WITH SPACE HEATERS AND ALL OF THAT STUFF. TONIGHT , NUMBER SIX, WE PASSED A MEASURE TO APPROVE A HISTORICAL MARKER FROM FORT 11. I HAVE NEVER HEARD OF A FORT WITH A NUMBER ATTACHED TO IT. WHAT I HAVE READ IS THAT IT IS ATTACHED TO LAKE 11, AND I THINK IT WAS LAKE GENEVA THAT IT WAS AT ONE POINT CALLED LAKE 11. I PULLED OUT MY HANDY REFERENCE AND THESE ARE IMAGES OF AMERICA IN CLAY COUNTY. IT IS WRITTEN BY KEVIN HOOPER, SON OF CAROL AND DAN HOOPER WHO LIVES IN MIDDLEBURG. HE USED TO LIVE IN MIDDLEBURG. HE IS A HISTORIAN AND I THINK HE MOVED AWAY FROM CLAY COUNTY. FORT 11 IS IN HERE AND I WAS DISMAYED A LITTLE BIT. IF YOU LOOK AT THE TITLE OF THE BOOK IT SAYS, IMAGES OF AMERICA IN CLAY COUNTY. MAYBE, IN THE 1700S THEY DIDN'T HAVE CAMERAS . I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT THAT IT IS A GOOD BOOK. IT IS INTERESTING TO LOOK AT THE HISTORY OF CLAY COUNTY. >> I DID RAISE YOUR CONCERN ABOUT FORT 11 TO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT. BEFORE THE MARKER GETS PUT UP THAT IS ALL VERIFIED TO THE STATE. >> I AM JUST SAYING THEY PROBABLY, DIDN'T HAVE A PICTURE IN THE 1700S. >> THERE WAS A TIME WHEN YOU COULD NOT GET FROM ORANGE PARK TO THE SOUTH END OF THE COUNTY. >> THAT WAS FRIDAY LAST WEEK. >> IF YOU HEARD THE STORY OF FORT 11 , IT WAS PROBABLY, NOT CONSIDERED TO BE CLAY COUNTY. THAT IS PROBABLY WHY HE DIDN'T HAVE THAT IN HIS BOOK. I HAVE SEEN A REENACTMENT AND A PRESENTATION AND THEY HAVE DONE IT WITH A BUNCH OF FOURTH GRADE STUDENTS FROM THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL COME OVER. IT REALLY DID EXIST. >> JUST AN INTERESTING PART OF OUR HISTORY. I HAVE NEVER HEARD OF A FORT WITH A NUMBER. THE LAST THING I HAVE IS, DON'T FORGET THE EVALUATIONS OF STAFF THAT WE NEED TO DO. THERE ARE THREE OF THEM WE NEED TO DO. I WANT TO PRESENT THOSE [04:35:01] FIVE EVALUATIONS TO THE INDIVIDUALS BY THE END OF JANUARY SOMETIME. SO, IF YOU CAN GET THEM IN EARLY , SO WE CAN PROVIDE THEM . >> MAYBE YOU NEED MY COLD MEDICATION. >> WITH THAT, UNLESS THERE IS * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.