[00:00:09] [INVOCATION] CALLED THE MEETING TO ORDER. THE FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS IS THE INVOCATION. DONE BY COMMISSIONER CELLA. >> PLEASE RAISE. PLEASE A BOW YOUR HEADS AND PRAY . DEAR FATHER IN HEAVEN AS WE GATHER HERE TODAY IN SHARED PURPOSE, LET US TAKE A MOMENT TO FOCUS ON THE CHALLENGES THAT IMPACT HER COMMUNITY. WE FIND STRENGTH IN OUR COLLECTIVE COMMITMENT TO RESILIENCE. MAY OUR DELIBERATIONS BE GUIDED BY WISDOM, COMPASSION, AND DEDICATION TO THE COMMON GOOD. LET US BE MINDFUL OF THE WELL-BEING OF OUR NEIGHBORS. LET OUR DECISIONS BE GUIDED BY THE PRINCIPLES OF JUSTICE, FAIRNESS, AND COMPASSION. MAY WE STAND STRONG TOGETHER FOSTERING A COMMUNITY THAT THRIVES EVEN IN THE FACE OF ADVERSITY. AS WE CONVENE, OUR THOUGHTS EXTEND TO FIRST RESPONDERS AS WE CELEBRATE THIS JANUARY 9 LAW ENFORCEMENT APPRECIATION DAY. BLESS OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS FROM ALL OF THE AGENCIES IN THIS COUNTRY. THEY STAND AS PILLARS OF SUPPORT AND PROTECTION. THE ENSURE THE SAFETY AND WELL-BEING OF OUR COMMUNITY. WE ARE MINDFUL OF WINTER STORM FINN, IT THREATENS OUR AREA WITH SERIOUS WEATHER. GIVE OUR FIRST RESPONDERS THE STRENGTH TO ADDRESS THIS CHALLENGE. IN UNITY AND STRENGTH, AMEN. >> THIS EVENING, I WILL BE LEADING US IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. >> ÊI PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.Î [CALL TO ORDER] NOW I WILL CALL THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS MEETING FOR JANUARY 9, 2024. WE HAVE ALL FIVE COMMISSIONERS HERE SO [PET ADOPTIONS] EVERYONE IS PRESENT. WE WILL MOVE RIGHT INTO PROCLAMATIONS. >> OUR FIRST ANIMAL TONIGHT IS A MALE DOODLE MIX. HE IS IS A SWEET AND ENERGETIC BOY THAT NEEDS FROM TO RUN. HE HAS THE ENERGY OF A YOUNG LAB SO HE WILL NEED TRAINING AND EXERCISE. DUKE IS UP TO DATE ON VACCINES AND IS HEARTWORM NEGATIVE. OUR NEXT DOG IS BB. SHE IS A SPAYED FEMALE, MIXED BREED, EIGHT YEARS OLD, SHE WEIGHS 49 POUNDS. SHE IS A GRADUATE OF THE PAWS PRISON PROGRAM. SHE HAS EARNED A PLACE IN THE GOOD CITIZEN PROGRAM AND SNAGGED A PRESTIGIOUS TOP DOG WORD. BB IS MORE THAN JUST A SCHOLAR. SHE IS A DELIGHTFUL COMPANION WITH A PENCHANT FOR ALLEY RUBS, A WEAKNESS FOR UNIT BUTTER AND INSATIABLE LOVE FOR ATTENTION. SHE IS NOT ONLY DOG FRIENDLY BUT HAS A SPECIAL PLACE IN HER HEART FOR ANYTHING EDIBLE. SHE ENJOYS PUTTING IN EFFORT FOR HER TREATS. WHILE BEBE IS A SOCIAL BUTTERFLY SHE CAN BE A BIT OVERZEALOUS WHEN MEETING NEW PEOPLE, ESPECIALLY WHEN EXCITEMENT TAKES OVER. DUE TO THIS EXUBERANCE SHE MAY NOT BE BEST FIT FOR HOUSEHOLDS WITH SMALL CHILDREN. NEVERTHELESS WITH PATIENCE AND UNDERSTANDING, BEBE WILL BRING LOVE AND JOY TO HER FOREVER HOME. OUR FIRST CAT IS ZERO . A NEUTERED MALE WHO IS FOUR MONTHS OLD. HE IS A SWEET BOY LOTS OF KITTEN PERSONALITY. HE WOULD LOVE A CAT SIBLING TO PLAY WITH BUT REGARDLESS, MAKE SURE HE HAS PLENTY OF TOYS. HE IS UP TO DATE ON VACCINES AND IS MICROCHIPPED. LESLIE WE HAVE DECKARD. HE IS VERY SWEET AND DOES NOT MINE OTHER CATS AND IS CURIOUS ABOUT HIS SURROUNDINGS. HE LOVES LOUNGING AND IS VERY PHOTOGENIC. HE IS UP TO DATE ON VACCINES AND IS MICROCHIPPED. WE STILL NEED FOSTER PARENTS FOR DOGS, CATS, AND KITTENS. LEASE CONSIDER OPENING YOUR HOME TEMPORARILY. IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO FOSTER PLEASE CONTACT US. IF YOU ARE [00:05:03] INTERESTED IN HELPING FURRY FRIENDS BUT CAN'T TAKE ONE HOME, PLEASE TAKE A LOOK AT OUR AMAZON WISH LIST. WE ARE ALWAYS [1.  MLK Day-n-Clay (Jan 15, 2024)] IN NEED OF SUPPLIES FOR OUR ANIMALS. THAT COMPLETES PET ADOPTIONS. >> THANK YOU. IF THE COMMISSIONERS COULD MEET ME UP FRONT WE HAVE A PROCLAMATION AND A RESOLUTION TO READ TONIGHT. READ A PROCLAMATION THAT COMMEMORATES DR. MARTIN LUTHER KING JR. DAY ON JANUARY 15, NEXT MONDAY. DR. KING WAS A VISIONARY WHO DEVOTED HIS LIFE TO THE STRUGGLE FOR EQUALITY FOR ALL AMERICANS. THE CITY WILL BE HONORING THE LEGACY OF DOCTOR KING WITH THE CELEBRATION ON MONDAY FROM 11 AM UNTIL NOON AT THE FRANCIS HALL PARK ON MARTIN LUTHER KING JR. BOULEVARD. UNFORTUNATELY, THE MAYOR WAS NOT ABLE TO BE HERE DUE TO JOB OBLIGATIONS AND THE STORM THAT IS OUT THERE. WE ARE GOING TO READ THE PROCLAMATION TONIGHT AND I WILL BE THERE TO PRESENT IT ON MONDAY AT THE CELEBRATION. WITHOUT FURTHER ADO. >> THE PROCLAMATION READS , WHEREAS, REVEREND DR. MARTIN LUTHER KING, JR. DEVOTED HIS LIFE TO THE STRUGGLE FOR EQUALITY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL AMERICANS, AND LED THE EFFORTS THAT RESULTED IN THE CIVIL RIGHTS ACT OF 1964 AND THE VOTING RIGHTS ACT OF 1965; AND WHEREAS, DR. KING IS RECOGNIZED AS ONE OF AMERICA'S GREATEST VISIONARY LEADERS WHO STRIVED TO EMPOWER PEOPLE AND CHALLENGE THEM TO LIFT UP THEIR NEIGHBORS AND COMMUNITIES, BEFORE TRAGICALLY BEING ASSASSINATED IN 1968; AND WHEREAS, DR. KING'S STRENGTH, PERSISTENCE, DETERMINATION, AND SERVICE TO OTHERS ARE THE BEDROCK UPON WHICH WE HONOR THE DATE OF HIS BIRTH WITH THE MARTIN LUTHER KING JR. NATIONAL DAY OF SERVICE; AND WHEREAS, THE HONORING OF DR. KING'S LEGACY SHOULD NOT ONLY BE A TRIBUTE TO HIS CONTRIBUTIONS TO AMERICA AND THE WORLD, BUT ALSO, A REMINDER THAT EVERY DAY, EACH OF US CAN PLAY A PART IN CONTINUING HIS CRUCIAL WORK. NOW, THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED THAT THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS, CLAY COUNTY, FLORIDA, DOES HEREBY JOIN THE NATION IN CELEBRATING MARTIN LUTHER KING JR. DAY ON JANUARY 15, 2024, AND ENCOURAGES EVERYONE TO DEDICATE THIS DAY TO THE SERVICE OF OTHERS IN THEIR COMMUNITY. MLK DAY IN CLAY COUNTY DULY ADOPTED BY THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS, CLAY COUNTY, FLORIDA THIS NINTH DAY OF JANUARY 2024. DO I HAVE A MOTION. >> SO MOVED. >> SECOND. >> ALL IN FAVOR? >> AYE . >> THE MOTION CARRIES. LIGHT FOR EQUALITY IN THE NATION. WE ARE HAPPY TO CELEBRATE THAT MEMORIAL OF HIS LIFE ON MONDAY, JANUARY 15. NEXT, WE HAVE A RESOLUTION HONORING BOBBY PAYNE. HE IS A REPRESENTATIVE IN THE STATE LEGISLATURE AND IS THERE TODAY REPRESENTING MOST OF PUTNAM COUNTY AND SOME OF CLAY COUNTY. WE HAVE A RESOLUTION ON THE AGENDA TO HONOR HIS SERVICE AS A STATE REPRESENTATIVE. OVER THE PAST EIGHT YEARS HE HAS BEEN A GREAT ADVOCATE FOR THE ENTIRE REGION. THIS WILL BE HIS FINAL TERM AND AS YOU KNOW THEY HAVE EIGHT YEAR TERM LIMITS SO, HE WILL BE GREATLY MISSED AND WE APPRECIATE EVERYTHING HE HAS DONE FOR CLAY COUNTY. WE WANT TO PRESENT A RESOLUTION TO REPRESENTATIVE PAYNE BUT WE WOULD LIKE TO HONOR HIM TODAY WITH A READING AT THE COMMISSION TONIGHT . >> THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. [00:10:05] WHEREAS, REPRESENTATIVE BOBBY PAYNE WAS ELECTED TO THE FLORIDA HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES IN 2016 SERVING DISTRICT 20, WHICH COVERS ALL OF PUTNAM, SOUTHERN CLAY, NORTHERN MARION, AND PARTS OF WESTERN ST. JOHNS COUNTIES, AND WAS REELECTED SUBSEQUENTLY; AND WHEREAS, DURING HIS TENURE IN THE FLORIDA LEGISLATURE, REPRESENTATIVE PAYNE QUICKLY ROSE INTO LEADERSHIP WITHIN THE FLORIDA HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES. HE HAS SERVED AS CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR OF NUMEROUS COMMITTEES INCLUDING THE HOUSE WAYS AND MEANS COMMITTEE, THE STATE OF AFFAIRS COMMITTEE, THE INFRASTRUCTURE STRATEGIES COMMITTEE, THE APPROPRIATIONS COMMITTEE, AND THE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE. HE IS ALSO A MEMBER OF SPEAKER RENNER'S LEADERSHIP TEAM; AND WHEREAS, REPRESENTATIVE PAYNE HAS LED THE HOUSE ON SEVERAL MAJOR ISSUES INCLUDING PASSING THE MOST COMPREHENSIVE WATER PROTECTION BILL IN 2020 KNOWN AS THE CLEAN WATERWAYS ACT, AND A LARGE COMPREHENSIVE TAX PACKAGE THAT INCLUDED A BACK-TO-SCHOOL TAX HOLIDAY, DISASTER PREPAREDNESS TAX HOLIDAY, FREEDOM FLORIDA TAX HOLIDAY, AND TOOL TIME TAX HOLIDAY. HE WAS ALSO THE PRIMARY SPONSOR FOR THE 2021 SPECIAL SESSION AND PASSED THE LARGEST GAMING COMPACT BILL IN THE HISTORY OF THE STATE OF FLORIDA; AND WHEREAS, REPRESENTATIVE PAYNE HAS ALSO OFFERED CRITICAL SUPPORT FOR OUR LEGISLATIVE APPROPRIATION REQUESTS AND HELPED SECURE FUNDING TO IMPROVE OUR INFRASTRUCTURE AND RESILIENCY, OUR TRAILS, PARKS, AND LAKES, AND OUR PUBLIC SAFETY FACILITIES, INCLUDING SIGNIFICANT APPROPRIATIONS FOR A SUBSTANCE ABUSE RECOVERY CENTER, OUR CLAY COUNTY REGIONAL SPORTS COMPLEX, EXPANSION OF OUR FLORIDA GREENWAY TRAIL SYSTEM, AND TWO NEW FIRE STATIONS. NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED THAT THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS, ON BEHALF OF ITS MEMBERS AND EMPLOYEES, DOES HEREBY RECOGNIZE AND HONOR THE OUTSTANDING CLAY COUNTY ACCOMPLISHMENTS IN THE NAME OF PUBLIC SERVICE MADE BY REPRESENTATIVE BOBBY PAYNE DURING HIS EIGHT YEARS IN THE FLORIDA HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES. DULY ADOPTED BY THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS, CLAY COUNTY, FLORIDA THIS 9TH DAY OF JANUARY 2024. DO WE HAVE A MOTION . >> SO MOVED. >> SECOND. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. >> AYE >> CONGRATULATIONS TO REPRESENTATIVE PAYNE . BOTH OF US ARE GETTING A LITTLE LONG IN THE TOOTH IS WHAT YOU COULD SAY BUT, IT WOULD BE AN HONOR TO HAVE HIM RECEIVE THE PROCLAMATION ON WEDNESDAY OR THURSDAY AS WE GO TO CLAY DAY IN TALLAHASSEE. >> WE WILL PRESENT THIS AT CLAY DAY IN THE COURTYARD. WITH THAT, THANK YOU VERY MINUTE. [CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICERS] TONIGHT, I WOULD LIKE TO RECOGNIZE IN A CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICERS PRESENT. I SEE CHIEF COOK IS HERE. >> SHERIFF. >> SHERIFF COOK. SORRY ABOUT THAT. ANY OTHER CONSTITUTIONAL? DO YOU WANT TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION? I KNOW THAT CLARK IS IN TALLAHASSEE [APPROVAL OF MINUTES] RIGHT NOW AND I DON'T SEE ANY OTHERS SO, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. NOW WE HAVE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FROM DECEMBER 12, 2023. >> I MOVED TO APPROVE THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS MEETING MINUTES FROM DECEMBER 12, 2023. >> SECOND. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR CORRECTIONS? ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. [PUBLIC COMMENTS] >> AYE >> ANY NAYS , SAME SON. THE MOTION PASSES. UP NEXT IS PUBLIC COMMENT. I HAVE ONE CARD FROM MARK SHELBY. >> MY NAME IS MARK SHELBY AND I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COUNTY COMMISSION TONIGHT IN REGARDS TO POLLUTION CURRENTLY THERE IS NO CODE FOR LIGHT POLLUTION. THERE IS NOTHING THROUGHOUT THE STATE FOR A STATEWIDE CODE OR A STATEWIDE LAW. THERE ARE TWO COMMUNITIES INSIDE FLORIDA THAT HAVE LIGHT POLLUTION BUT CLAY COUNTY DOES NOT. I HAVE DONE SOME RESEARCH ON THAT . THERE ARE ISSUES AND [00:15:08] THEY LIVE OFF OF 218. I HAVE SPOKE WITH MISS CONDON . IT IS A GROWING ISSUE WITH CLAY COUNTY AND IT IS GROWING EXPONENTIALLY. THEY ARE GETTING READY TO EXPAND 218 IN THE NEXT YEAR OR SO. THE POPULATION IS GROWING AND THE IDEA THAT CERTAIN NEIGHBORS CAN HEAR WHAT THE SPOTLIGHT AND USE THE JUSTIFICATION THAT THEY HAVE A BUSINESS WILL BE AN ONGOING ISSUE. NOT TO GET PERSONAL BUT, IT HAS BEEN A PERSONAL ISSUE FOR ME AND MY FAMILY AND MISS CONDON KNOWS ABOUT IT. I HAVE NUMEROUS PICTURES THAT THE LIGHT POLLUTION HAS CAUSED TO MY FAMILY. IT HAS BEEN AN ONGOING ISSUE. IT CAN BE -- NOT EVEN FROM BUSINESSES BUT FROM THE LIGHTS BEING POINTED OUT TOWARDS OTHER NEIGHBORS. SO WHAT STOPS US FROM BEING ABLE TO ENJOY OUR BACKYARD. WE LIVE IN A RURAL AREA AND IT IS GROWING, LIKE I SAID. THEIR HOUSES BEING PUT UP ALL UP AND DOWN 218. THERE IS A NEIGHBORHOOD THEY PLOPPED DOWN JUST DOWN THE STREET FROM WHERE I LIVE. THIS IS GOING TO BE A GROWING ISSUE AND ALL I AM REQUESTING IS THAT THE BOARD LOOKS AT A POSSIBLE CODE FOR LIGHT POLLUTION SO THAT WE CAN MITIGATE THE ISSUES THAT WILL BE COMING WITH MORE PEOPLE COMING INTO THE COUNTY. SO I WOULD JUST REQUEST THAT BE REVIEWED. AND IF YOU WERE GOING TO DO THE REVIEW, PLEASE DON'T JUST RESTRICTED TO SOMEBODY HAVING A BUSINESS. RESTRICTED TO ANYBODY SO THEY ARE NOT ABLE TO POINT SPOTLIGHTS INTO YOUR BACKYARD. MULTIPLE SPOTLIGHTS. I HAVE BEEN A RESIDENT AND I AM A RETIRED VETERAN. I WORK FOR THE STATE NOW AND I LIVED IN CLAY COUNTY FROM 2004 AND WHEN I RETIRED IN 2013, WE LIKED IT SO MUCH THAT WE CAME BACK. WE JUST WANT TO LIVE IN PEACE BUT, PEOPLE WILL ABUSE THE SYSTEM FOR WHAT IT IS UNLESS THERE ARE RULES PUT INTO PLACE TO STOP THAT. I AM NOT ASKING FOR SOMETHING OVERZEALOUS. >> YOU MAY FINISH. >> I AM NOT ASKING FOR SOMETHING OVERZEALOUS. I JUST WANT SOMETHING TO RESTRICT PEOPLE FROM BOTHERING OTHER PEOPLE. THANK YOU FOR TAKING THE TIME TO LISTEN. >> WE WILL TAKE A LOOK AT THAT. I'M NOT SURE IF WE HAVE ANY ORDINANCES AGAINST THAT RIGHT NOW SO WE WILL TAKE A LOOK AT THAT. >> SO, IS THIS BEING DONE IN A SPITEFUL WAY? >> IT IS SPITEFUL. I'M NOT TRYING TO POINT AT ONE PERSON BUT IT IS BEING DONE IN A A SPITEFUL WAY. HE WILL TURN THE LIGHTS ON. HE HAS THREE LARGE LIGHTS THAT JUMP INTO MY PROPERTY AND HE WILL GET MAD AT SOMETHING. MY WIFE WILL BE OUTSIDE SO HE WILL GET MAD AND FLIPPED THE LIGHT ON. IT IS SO BAD. WE HAVE TRIED TO GO THROUGH THE PROPER CHANNELS AND IT HAS WORKED SOMEWHAT BUT NOT AS WELL AS WE HAD HOPED. CODE ENFORCEMENT, THEY WERE MORE THAN WILLING TO HELP BUT THE PROBLEM WAS THERE WAS NO CODE IN PLACE TO STOP THAT PARTICULAR THING. AND MISS CONDON WAS FANTASTIC THAT THERE IS JUST NO CODE OUT THERE TO DO IT. >> THANK YOU SIR. ARE THERE ANY OTHER PEOPLE THAT DESERVE THAT DESIRE TO SPEAK DURING [CONSENT AGENDA] PUBLIC COMMENT. SEEING NONE, I WILL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT AND WE WILL MOVE ON TO THE CONSENT AGENDA. ANYTHING? I DON'T HAVE ANY REQUEST TO PULL ANYTHING OFF OF THE CONSENT AGENDA SO, ANY DESIRE FROM THE COMMISSION? IF NOT, I WILL TAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE. >> MOTION TO APPROVE. >> SECOND. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION ? HEARING ON AND SEEING NONE, ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. >> AYE ANY NAYS, SAME SIGN. [26.  Progress Report on the Bonded Transportation Program (E. Dendor)] [00:20:02] THE MOTION PASSES. MOVING ON TO DISCUSSION OF DATES. DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION. DENDOR, TRANSPORTATION PROGRAM ADMINISTRATOR. WE ARE HERE TO UPDATE YOU ON PROGRESS WE HAVE MADE. EVEN THOUGH THIS MONTH WAS SHORTENED WITH CHRISTMAS AND NEW YEAR'S THE TIE TEAM MADE SOME SUCCESSFUL PROGRESS . PROJECT NUMBER ONE, COUNTY ROAD 218, A MANDATORY MEETING WAS HELD ON DECEMBER 20. SEVEN VENDORS WERE PRESENT ALONG WITH STAFF. THERE WERE ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS FROM THE VARIOUS VENDORS. BIDS ARE DUE JANUARY 22. OVERALL, THE COUNTY , SUPERIOR CONSTRUCTION AND JACOBS CONTINUED WITH -- AND FOR PROJECT NUMBER TWO, WHICH IS COUNTY ROAD 209, SIGNED AND SEALED PLANS WERE RECEIVED. AND -- RELOCATION EFFORTS CONTINUE. FOR PROJECT NUMBER FIVE, COUNTY ROAD D D 22 , SPIRIT CONSTRUCTION IS GMP AND THEY WERE NOT WITHIN THE BUDGET. CONSTRUCTION OF THIS CORRIDOR WILL BE PHASED TO A LATER DATE. WE WILL BUILD TO THE WEST. PERMANENT MODIFICATIONS ARE STILL UNDER REVIEW. AND FOR PROJECT 6A, THE TEAM RECEIVED 90% PLANS ON DECEMBER 21. THE PLANTS THAT IS UNDER REVIEW. EFFORTS CONTINUE AND MITIGATION IS NEARING COMPLETION OF THE OPERATIONAL IMPROVEMENTS FOR THE PHASED CONSTRUCTION APPROACH ARE BEING DEVELOPED. THE TEAM HELD A BIMONTHLY STATUS MEETING ON PROJECT 6A AND FOR THIS SECTION OF ROAD, FROM NORTH OF OAK STREET TO SOUTH OF WATKINS, KIRBY DEVELOPMENTS CONTINUED THEIR OPERATIONS FOR THE SAFETY IMPROVEMENTS IN THE AREA. FOR SECTION 3B THAT'S RUNS THROUGH THE ROUNDABOUT TO COUNTY ROAD 200 9B, ADJUSTMENTS WERE APPROVED AND THEY APPROVED AN AWARD TO THE 3B PART OF THE PROJECT. THERE WORKING WITH PROPERTY OWNERS TO OBTAIN THE RIGHT-OF-WAY ON THE SITE. PROJECT NUMBER FOUR, THEY CONTINUE CONSTRUCTION ACTIVITIES EAST ALONG SAND RIDGE ROAD. STRUCTURES , THE PALM SITE AND ROAD CONSTRUCTION ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE -- WELL STARTING CONSTRUCTION ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE ROADWAY AS WELL. THEY WILL BE STARTING 24/7 OPERATIONS WITHIN THE NEXT 30 DAYS ON THAT PORTION OF THE ROAD. PROJECT 6B, THE TEAM CONTINUES TO HOLD BIMONTHLY MEETINGS. WORK CONTINUES FROM STATE ROAD 23 AT THE FAR WEST END OF THE PROJECT TO COUNTY ROAD 315 AT THE EAST ON. DRIVING OPERATIONS CONTINUE ON THE BRIDGE. PIPE INSTALLATIONS ARE PROGRESSING AT ALL CROSSINGS. W G.I. CONTINUES TO WORK ACROSS THE PROGRAM SPECTRUM. THIS CONCLUDES MY UPDATE. >> DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I HAVE ONE QUESTION. FOR PROJECT FIVE, I THINK IT IS, SUPERIOR SUBMITTED A PRICE THAT WAS NOT WITHIN OUR BUDGET SO WE DELAYED. >> SAY AGAIN? >> IT WAS NOT WITHIN OUR GUARANTEED MAXIMUM PRICE BUT ALSO, IN LOOKING AT THAT CORE DOOR, WORKING WITH COUNTY ENGINEERS, WE CONTINUE WITH THE DESIGN TO GET THE RIGHT-OF-WAY PROCURED AND GET EVERYTHING TUCKED AWAY AND THEN IN THAT WAY, THE COUNTY IS WORKING EAST OF THE 220 INTERSECTION AND THE INTENT IS TO BUILD FROM EAST TO WEST RATHER THAN ONE SECTION. AND THEN HAVING THAT INTERSECTION WORK DONE AND HAVING WORKED TO THE EAST OF THEIR NOT COMPLETED. >> I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, THE PRICE WAS NOT WITHIN OUR BUDGET [00:25:07] SO WE ARE GOING TO DELAY THAT PORTION? >> UNTIL SUCH TIME AS FUNDING BECOMES AVAILABLE. THAT IS CORRECT. >> SO, IT WILL ALL WORK OUT? INTERESTING. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU. THE [27.  Recycling Transition Update (M. Towns/L. Christmas)] SECOND ITEM IS RECYCLING. YOU ARE UP. >> GOOD EVENING MR. CHAIR AND COMMISSIONER. I HAVE AN UPDATE THAT I WILL SHARE WITH THE COMMUNICATIONS DIRECTOR. YOU MIGHT RECALL THE LAST BOARD MEETING IN DECEMBER WE CAME TO YOU WITH AN ISSUE THAT WE ENCOUNTERED WITH THE RECYCLING PROCESSING COST. IT IS A CHANGE FROM WE WERE GETTING OUR CO-MINGLED MATERIALS OUR QUOTES WERE GIVING US A SLIGHT BIT OF REVENUE. ABOUT SIX DOLLARS PER TON AND THAT BECAME AN $85 PER TON COST TO HAVE THOSE PROCESSED. WE CAME TO THE BOARD WITH A PROPOSAL OF HOW TO MITIGATE THAT SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO PASS INCREASED COSTS ONTO RESIDENTS. SO THE BOARD APPROVED OUR PROPOSAL TO TARGET HIGH-VALUE RECYCLABLES SO THAT BASICALLY WE ARE AMENDING OUR ACCEPTABLE MATERIAL LIST ON THE RECYCLABLE PROGRAM. TO THOSE ITEMS THAT THE PROCESSORS TELL US WOULD NOT COST US THE $85 PER TON TO PROCESS. SO WE HAVE BEGUN PUBLIC EDUCATION. THIS WEEK IS KIND OF THE HARD ROLLOUT WITH A MAILER DIRECTED TO THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY OWNERS. LAURA IS GOING TO TELL YOU HOW THE ACTUAL CAMPAIGN IS GOING. >> LAURA CHRISTMAS. THE FIRST SOFT ROLLOUT THAT WE DID WAS DECEMBER 27 THROUGH JANUARY 2. WE HAVE REACHED 23,000 PEOPLE, ESTIMATED, ON THE INITIAL SOCIAL MEDIA POSTING . THE INFORMATION WAS POSTED ONLINE BY JACKSONVILLE NEWS STATIONS. OUR NEWSROOM ARTICLE WAS PRINTED IN VARIOUS STATEWIDE PUBLICATIONS AND WEEK CONDUCTED COURT NEEDED COMMUNICATION AMONG KEY STAKEHOLDERS LISTED IN THE COMMUNICATIONS PLAN TO MAKE SURE WE ARE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE. THE TOTAL ESTIMATED REACH FOR SOCIAL MEDIA WAS NEARLY 284,000 PEOPLE. THE SECOND PUSH WAS JANUARY 3 THROUGH THE FIFTH. STAFF DID AN INTERVIEW WITH THE LOCAL TV NEWS STATION. WE PUT OUT THE SAME MESSAGE THE WEEK BEFORE. OUR NEWSROOM ARTICLE WAS PUBLISHED IN A STATEWIDE PUBLICATION. WE REQUESTED THE HANDOUT WE CREATED TO BE POSTED AT HIGH VISIBILITY LOCATIONS. WE REQUESTED THE FIRE BE SENT BY THE SCHOOL DISTRICT ELECTRONIC FIRE DISTRIBUTION CENTER TO ALL FAMILIES IN THE DISTRICT. OUR ESTIMATED REACH DURING THAT WEEK WAS MORE THAN 112,000 PEOPLE. THE THIRD PUSH WAS THIS WEEK AND THIS IS THE WEEK WE ARE ROLLING OUT THE PLAN. THE MAILER WAS SENT TO MORE THAN 70,000 RESIDENTS YESTERDAY. WE PUSHED THE MESSAGE TO ALL USERS ON THE PLATFORM AND UP AND WE PUSHED THE MESSAGE TO MULTIPLE EMAIL DISTRIBUTIONS WITHIN THE DELIVERY SYSTEM AND THAT TOTALED -- RESIDENTS. THE PROPERTY APPRAISERS OFFICE WERE ALERTED TO ALL NEW RESIDENTS AND THAT WILL BE SENT OUT THIS MONTH. WE CREATED A VIDEO THAT BREAKS DOWN ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS. WE ALSO CREATED A SECOND INTERACTIVE VIDEO THAT SHOWS WHAT YOU CAN AND CANNOT RECYCLE BASED OFF OF RESIDENT QUESTIONS THAT WE HAVE BEEN GETTING. THAT WILL GO OUT THIS WEEK ON SOCIAL PLATFORMS AND WILL PUSH TO MEDIA AS WELL. THE NEXT STEPS, WE PITCHED -- AND WE ARE WORKING ON ADVERTISEMENT POSSIBILITIES ONLINE AND IN LOCAL BUSINESSES. WE ARE CONTINUING A MULTIMEDIA APPROACH TO PUSH THE MESSAGE OUT ON SOCIAL MEDIA WILL CONTINUE TO EVALUATE DATA IN TERMS OF WHAT IS HAPPENING WITH THE RECYCLABLES HEADING TO THE PROCESSOR TO MAKE SURE IT IS WORKING OR IF WE NEED TO EVALUATE AND PUSH MESSAGING IN A DIFFERENT DIRECTION. MY STAFF IS WORKING WITH MILTON [00:30:01] TOWNSEND AND HIS STAFF TO LOOK AT CHANGING OPERATIONS AS NEEDED. DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME. >> I HAVE RECEIVED NUMEROUS NOTIFICATIONS, EMAIL AND ONLINE . AND, IT IS GETTING OUT. I AM GETTING QUESTIONS AND INQUIRIES ABOUT WHY . THAT IS THE PRIMARY QUESTION. >> MR. CHAIR, IF I COULD. I THINK, JUST IN TERMS OF THE NUMBERS THAT YOU ARE ABLE TO REACH IN TERMS OF -- AND WE'LL KNOW IT TAKES SEVERAL TIMES TO SEE IT BEFORE IT FINALLY REGISTERS, YOU ARE ON A GREAT TRACK TO GET AS NOTICED. MY QUESTION WOULD BE, AT THE END, YOU TOUCHED ON IT. WE GET ALL OF THIS INFORMATION OUT. WHAT IS THE METRIC THAT WE ARE GOING TO MEASURE TO DETERMINE THAT PEOPLE HAVE GOTTEN THE MESSAGE AND THEY ARE STARTING TO GIVE US THE HIGH-VALUE RECYCLABLES THAT WE ARE WANTING? >> MR. CHAIR, AS PART OF THE PROCESSING CONTRACT, WE ARE REQUIRING THE PROCESSOR TO DO A MONTHLY MATERIALS AUDIT SO, THEY TAKE A SAMPLING OF OUR RECYCLABLE MATERIALS AND RUN IT THROUGH THEIR SEPARATION PROCESS AND THEN WEIGH EACH OF THE MATERIALS SEPARATELY AND THEN THEY REPORT TO US THE PERCENTAGE OF EACH MATERIAL. FOR INSTANCE, ALAS. SO WE WILL BE LOOKING AT THE PERCENTAGE OF THAT TOTAL IS TO LOOK AT IF THIS IS WORKING WITH THE PUBLIC EDUCATION FLOW PROGRAM. SO THE ONE THEY DO NOW WILL BE THE MATERIALS EXISTING SO THAT WILL BE THE BASELINE AND THEN MONTHLY WE WILL BE ABLE TO USE THAT AS A REAL MEASURE VERSUS OUR VISUAL MEASURE OF THE MATERIAL. SO, WE WILL ACTUALLY BE ABLE TO PUT A NUMBER TO THAT AS WE MOVE FORWARD. >> SO, AS WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT, IF WE SEE A PARTICULAR AREA THAT WE ARE NOT GETTING RID OF AS MUCH CLASSES WE THINK OR WE ARE STILL TAKING IN TOO MUCH, IS THAT SOMETHING WE CAN STILL REPORT OUT ? >> I AM CAPTURING THAT DATA AND EACH WEEK, WE CAPTURE WHAT WE DID WITH THE COMMUNICATIONS WE MIGHT NEED TO REEVALUATE OR PUSH IN DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS TO UTILIZE PRINCE SENT TO SOCIAL MEDIA. >> IN ADDITION TO ALL OF THE MEDIA THAT LAURA AND HER TEAM ARE HANDLING, THIS WEEK, WITH OUR HARD ROLLOUT, WE WILL BE RELABELING THE ACCEPTABLE MATERIALS ON CONTAINERS AT ALL OF THE DROP-OFF SITES. SO, ROSEMARY HILL, AND WE HAVE ALREADY BEGUN OUR STAFF, AT THE SCALE HOUSE AND THE ENVIRONMENTAL CENTER TO PASS OUT FLYERS TO NOTIFY PEOPLE OF THE CHANGE. SO THEY ARE HAVING THOSE ONE-ON-ONE CONVERSATIONS WITH CUSTOMERS AT THE SITES. >> NOT A QUESTION BUT A COMMENT. I HAVE SEEN SOME NEGATIVE COMMENTS AND UNFORTUNATELY, THE COMMUNICATIONS TEAM HAS TO TAKE THOSE AND YOU HAVE DONE A GOOD JOB OF HANDLING THEM BUT I HAVE SEEN COMMENTS LIKE, THE COUNTY NOW WANTS RECYCLING IF DROPPED BUT THAT IS NOT THE CASE AT ALL. THIS CAME FROM THE PROCESSOR IN THE LAST MONTH. JUST TO PUT IT IN PERSPECTIVE, AND HOPEFULLY THIS WILL MAKE IT TO THE PAPER AT SOME POINT, THE COUNTY USED TO BE PAID ABOUT SIX DOLLARS PER TON FOR RECYCLED MATERIALS. SO, THE COUNTY WAS NOT MAKING MONEY ON IT. TRUST ME, IT COSTS A LOT MORE FOR THE COUNTY TO PICK IT UP AND TRANSPORTED BUT IT WAS NOT COSTING MONEY. THEY WERE PAYING US FOR THE RECYCLED MATERIALS AND RAISED THAT PRICE TO CHARGING US $85 PER TON. WE ONLY PAY $58 PER TON TO GET RID OF REGULAR HOUSEHOLD TRASH. THAT IS WHY THIS CHANGE WAS NECESSARY. THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT THE COMMISSIONERS ARE COUNTY WANTED TO PUT THE BURDEN ON. WE ARE TRYING TO REDUCE THE BURDEN BY DOING THIS SUFFERED. IF YOU ARE PASSIONATE ABOUT RECYCLING, WE NEED YOUR HELP AND IF YOU ARE NOT, KEEP DOING WHAT YOU [00:35:05] WERE DOING. YOU WERE PROBABLY PUTTING IT IN THE REGULAR TRASH ANYWAY BUT THE NEGATIVE COMMENTS ARE NOT HELPFUL TO ANYONE AND I FEEL BAD THAT THE COMMUNICATION TEAM HAS TO TAKE THOSE. IF YOU HAVE A COMMENT, PLEASE CALL YOUR COMMISSIONER. THE COMPLAINTS DEPARTMENT HERE IS OPEN AND THE ONE THERE SHOULD BE CLOSED, IN MY OPINION. >> ALSO, IF I COULD, TO TAG ON TO WHAT COMMISSIONER CONDON IS TALKING ABOUT, THIS IS A BOLD MOVE. WE HAVE HAD REPORTS OF OTHER COUNTIES IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA WHO, WHEN FACED WITH THE SAME SITUATION HAVE ABANDONED RECYCLING ALTOGETHER AND THEY STOP TAKING RECYCLABLES. IF YOU ARE PASSION -- PASSIONATE ABOUT RECYCLING, WE THOUGHT IT WAS IMPORTANT TO TRY TO SAVE THAT AND THE WAY WE CAN DO THAT IS A COMPROMISE BETWEEN THE WAY THAT WE WERE DOING AND WHAT WE ARE DOING NOW. WE ARE TAKING NOW ONLY CERTAIN THINGS THAT WE KNOW OUR RECYCLABLE AND THAT THE PROCESSORS WANT AND THEY WILL REWARD US WITH PAYMENT FOR IT . WE ARE COUNTING ON FOLKS IN CLAY COUNTY THAT LIKE TO RECYCLE TO GIVE US THE RIGHT KINDS OF RECYCLABLES AND AS COMMISSIONER CONDON SAID, IF YOU WERE RECYCLING BEFORE, IT SHOULDN'T BOTHER YOU. I THINK UNDER THE CIRCUMSTANCES, I THINK IT IS A GREAT MOVE BY THE BOARD RECOGNIZING THE PLAN THAT THE STAFF PUT TOGETHER TO MOVE US FORWARD SO THAT WE CAN CONTINUE TO RECYCLE BUT AT THE SAME TIME TRY TO NOT BURN THE TAXPAYERS WITH MORE FEES IN TERMS OF RECYCLING PICKUP. >> I WAS JUST GOING TO ADD, WE ARE VICTIMS OF THE WORLD ECONOMY AND MARKET FOR THIS PRODUCT AND WE ARE JUST TRYING TO FOCUS ON THE CLEANLINESS AND THE PURITY OF THE RECYCLING MATERIAL. WE ARE COLLECTING TO MAKE IT COST-EFFECTIVE AND NOT BURDENSOME BUT LIKE WAS SAID, SOME COUNTIES, ONE AREA HAS ELIMINATED RECYCLING COMPLETELY. WE ARE TRYING TO MODIFY AND WE MAY END UP THERE AS WELL IF WE DON'T GET THE RESULTS WE ARE LOOKING FORWARD. IT IS INCUMBENT UPON THE PUBLIC TO HELP US MITIGATE THE COST OF RECYCLING AND TRASH PICKUP AND THINGS LIKE THAT. WE WILL SEE WHERE IT TAKES US. THANK YOU. NEXT ON THE AGENDA, [28.  Bid 23/24-019, Public Safety Uniforms (K Smith)] NEW BUSINESS ITEM NUMBER 28. BID 23/24-019 , PUBLIC SAFETY UNIFORMS TO GALLS, LLC. MISS SMITH. >> GOOD AFTERNOON. BEFORE YOU IS THE AWARD OF THE PUBLIC SAFETY UNIFORM BID THAT WE ISSUED. WE ONLY RECEIVED ONE BID SO THAT IS WHY YOU ARE SEEING THIS UNDER NEW BUSINESS. OUR CURRENT PROVIDER WAS GALLS, LLC SO THIS IS FOR PUBLIC SAFETY UNIFORMS AS NEEDED. WE ARE ASKING APPROVAL TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE BID AWARD. >> MOTION TO MOVE FORWARD. >> WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? ONCE AGAIN, WE HAVE A SINGLE BITTER. IT SOUNDS LIKE IT IS BECOMING VERY COMMON . ANY REASON WHY A SINGLE BITTER? >> NOT EXACTLY. WE HAD A LOT OF PEOPLE INQUIRE ABOUT THE BID BUT DID NOT RESPOND. THERE ARE SPECIALIZED COMPANIES THAT OFFER UNIFORMS. WE SEEM TO GET MORE BIDS WHEN IT IS FIELD STAFF. THERE IS A LIMIT TO THE NUMBER OF COMPANIES THAT OFFER THE SERVICE IN OUR AREA ESPECIALLY. >> THANK YOU. ANY OTHER ISSUES. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. [29.  RFP No. 22/23-095, Public Private Partnership (P3) to Design, Build and Finance Two Fire Stations (K. Smith)] >> AYE >> ANY NAYS, SAME SIGN. THE MOTION PASSES. ITEM NUMBER 29 . >> WE RECEIVED AN UNSOLICITED PROPOSAL FROM THE FORTRESS SECURED, LLC AND WE ISSUED OUR OWN RFP TO SEE IF ANY OTHER COMPANIES WANTED TO PROPOSE THE SAME PRIVATE PUBLIC [00:40:05] PARTNERSHIP. WE DID NOT RECEIVE PROPOSALS IN THIS IS TO DESIGN AND BUILD TWO FIRE STATIONS. WE HAD A COMMITTEE OF THREE MEMBERS THAT REVIEWED THE PROPOSAL, SCORED THEM, AND HEARD A PRESENTATION FROM THE FORTRESS GROUP. AFTER REVIEWING THE PROPOSAL AND HAVING THE PRESENTATION THE COMMITTEE RECOMMENDED MOVING FORWARD WITH AWARDING THIS RFP AND WE ASK THAT STAFF BRING BACK THE CONTRACT, THE NEGOTIATED CONTRACT, TO THE BOARD. IT IS FOR TWO FIRE STATIONS. THE THING THAT REALLY STOOD OUT TO THE COMMITTEE THE MOST WAS THEIR AGGRESSIVE TIMELINE TO DO THE BUILD. OVERALL THE PROCESS WOULD TAKE 18 MONTHS AND THEY GUARANTEE 11 MONTHS FOR CONSTRUCTION. ALTOGETHER 18 MONTHS. THE AMOUNT OF TIME FOR CONSTRUCTION WAS SOMETHING THAT THE COMMITTEE WAS REALLY SATISFIED WITH WHEN THEY SAW THAT. THEY ASKED A LOT OF QUESTIONS DURING THE PRESENTATION AND GUARANTEE THAT TIMEFRAME. >> SO, PRIVATE PUBLIC PARTNERSHIP WITH FORTRESS TO BUILD TWO FIRE STATIONS. ONE OF MY QUESTIONS WAS THAT LOCAL VENDORS, WHETHER LOCAL SUBCONTRACTORS , HOW RECEPTIVE THEY WOULD BE TO OFFERING THAT TYPE OF WORK TO LOCAL CONTRACTORS. WE DISCUSSED A NUMBER OF BUILDS GOING ON IN THE COUNTY AND THE AVAILABILITY OF EQUIPMENT , WORKFORCE, AND ALL OF THAT KIND OF STUFF. THAT IS OF CONCERN TO ME. >> WE CAN RECOMMEND THAT WHEN NEGOTIATING THE CONTRACT BUT WE DO NOT WANT TO DICTATE WHO THEY USE AS THEIR CONTRACTORS, ESPECIALLY WITH THE TIMEFRAME THEY HAVE PROVIDED AND THEY STATED THEY DO HAVE SOME MATERIAL ALREADY STORED FOR THESE KINDS OF PROJECTS SO WE WOULD NOT WANT TO DICTATE WHO THEY USE. >> OKAY. ANY MOTIONS OR DISCUSSIONS? >> I WILL MAKE A MOTION AND THEN WE CAN CERTAINLY DISCUSS AND GET MORE INFORMATION. I MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT. >> I SECOND. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? QUESTIONS? >> MR. CHAIR, IN TERMS OF THE COST, ARE WE GOING TO GIVE THEM A COST FOR THE FIRE STATION? WILL THEY WORK THEIR WAY INTO THAT? >> IN THE PROPOSAL THEY DO GIVE A COST ALREADY. WITH THAT, THEY WOULD NOT EXCEED THE AMOUNT LIST WE ASKED FOR SOMETHING ABOVE AND BEYOND WHAT IS PROPOSED. THE WAY WE ENVISION IT WORKING IS, THERE WILL BE AN AGREEMENT THAT WE WILL GET STARTED AND STAFF WILL HAVE A CHANCE TO MEET WITH THEM. WE HAVE LIMITED MEETINGS DUE TO THE NO CONTACT RULE SO ALL OF THE PUBLIC SAFETY PLAYERS THAT ARE ON THE TEAM CAN GO AHEAD AND TALK WITH THEM. OUR FACILITIES TEAM WILL DECIDE IF THERE ARE ANY COMPONENTS MISSING IN THE PROPOSAL THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT COULD AFFECT THE PRICE BUT OTHERWISE WE WERE HAVING A PRICE IN THE PROPOSAL. >> I KNOW WE HAD CERTAIN MONIES SET ASIDE FOR FIRE STATIONS. WAS THERE PRICE SIMILAR TO WHAT WE THOUGHT WE WERE GOING TO PAY IF WE DID THIS IN THE CONVENTIONAL WAY? >> IT WAS, YES. SO, AS MOVING FORWARD WOULD BE THE DESIGN BUILD. WE DO HAVE BUDGET AND WE WANT TO LOOK AT OTHER FINANCING. IF WE GO THE FINANCING ROUTE, WE WOULD RATHER DO THAT OURSELVES. >> I THINK THAT IS IMPORTANT TO EMPHASIZE. WHAT DO THOSE WORDS REALLY MEAN THOUGH? >> WHICH PART? >> THE FINANCING PORTION. THEY HAVE A FINANCING COMPONENT TO THIS PRIVATE PUBLIC PARTNERSHIP AND WE WE HAD INTENDED TO USE IT. >> WHAT THEY OFFERED IS WHAT WE COULD DO OURSELVES. THEY WERE NOT GOING TO FINANCE THE BUILDING THEMSELVES SO THAT IS WHY OUR RECOMMENDATION IS THAT WE NOT USE THE SERVICE THEY OFFICE THEY OFFERED TO ASSIT WITH. IF WE LOOK AT FINANCING WE WOULD NOT USE THEIR SERVICES BUT DO IT OURSELVES. WE HAVE OUR OWN FINANCE TEAM. OUR OWN ASSISTANT COUNTY MANAGER THAT WOULD HANDLE THAT. >> DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER OPINIONS? >> I THINK YOU SUMMED IT UP PERFECTLY. THEY CAN HELP US FIND FINANCING . THAT IS NOT THEIR SPECIALTY. WE ALREADY HAVE PFM UNDER CONTRACT THAT [00:45:02] HELPED WITH THE BOND. SO THEY WILL BRING BACK RECOMMENDATIONS TO REVIEW. I THINK THE IMPORTANT THING THAT KAREN SAID IS THAT WE HAVE THE MONEY IN THE BUDGET BASED ON THESE TWO BIDS THAT CAME IN. IT'S NOT THAT WE NEED THE FINANCING. IT'S RATHER IF THE TOOL IN THE TOOLBOX IS GOOD. WHILE THEY MAY OVERLAP THEY ARE INDEPENDENT OF EACH OTHER. >> I LIKE THE OPTION OF THE DESIGN BUILD. IT IS DIFFERENT THAN STATION 2420 WHERE WE ARE WORKING MORE IN-HOUSE WITH AN ARCHITECT. I THINK IT PROVIDES THE CCF ARE AND THE COUNTY THE OPTION BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE GOT TO GET , WE HAVE EVEN MORE OF THESE BUILDINGS THAT WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH AND WE NEEDED THEM YESTERDAY. WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO HIRE ENOUGH FIREFIGHTERS NOW, THE CHIEF HAS SAID TO ME THAT THEY DON'T HAVE ANY PLACE TO PUT ANYBODY ELSE EXCEPT , IF THERE IS ATTRITION OR THOSE KINDS OF THINGS. NOW WE NEED TO ADD . WE HAVE NEW APPARATUS ON ORDER AND WHEN THOSE COME IN, WE NEED A PLACE TO PUT IT. THIS IS THE RIGHT TIME. I THINK THE CREATIVITY WITH THE LIMITED TAXPAYER DOLLARS THAT WE HAVE, THIS IS THE RIGHT WAY TO GO. I MENTIONED TO THE CHIEF, WHEN YOU ARE ON THE COMMISSION AND YOU BUILD STATION 11, IT WAS THE BEST WE HAD AND THEN THEY CAME BACK AND SAID, THERE WERE SOME THINGS THAT WE WOULD CHANGE SO WE WILL MOVE FORWARD WITH THE DESIGN OF 20 AND 24. THERE WILL BE DIFFERENT ARCHITECTS BUT I WOULD IMAGINE THEY WILL BE FAIRLY SIMILAR AND THEN WE CAN HAVE THE EXPERTS TELL US WHICH ONE IS BETTER AND MOVE FORWARD FROM THERE. I LIKE THAT THIS ONE GETS MOVING RIGHT AWAY WITHIN THE NEXT YEAR AND A HALF AND THAT IS STATION ONE THAT SERVES ALL FIVE DISTRICTS. IT IS SO IMPORTANT WITH ITS LOCATION. FOR THE PUBLIC THAT IS THE ONE RIGHT OFF OF JENNINGS. IT REALLY SHOULD HELP THE HOMEOWNERS INSURANCE IN THAT AREA AND I KNOW THAT IS A CONCERN RIGHT NOW. I LIKE THE IDEA AND I AM THRILLED THAT THIS COMPANY APPROACHED THE COUNTY. I THINK CREATIVITY AND WORKING WITH THE COUNTY, BABY, TO YOUR POINT, MR. CHAIR, MAYBE THAT IS HOW WE GET MORE PEOPLE TO DO BUSINESS WITH THE COUNTY. BY BEING CREATIVE WHEN WE CAN. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? >> I ALSO AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER CONDON. I LIKE THAT WE CAN MOVE AHEAD SO QUICKLY TO TRY TO PLAY CATCH-UP BUT I THINK IT ALSO BEARS RECOGNIZING THAT WE ARE BEHIND THE EIGHT BALL IN TERMS OF THE TIMING OF SOME OF THESE THINGS AND IN SOME CASES, THE GOVERNMENT DOESN'T WORK SO QUICKLY. SO WE WENT TO THE PRIVATE SECTOR TO HELP US AND THIS OPENS THE DOOR FOR ADDITIONAL PROJECTS. LIBRARIES AND OTHER THINGS THAT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO WORK IN THAT FASHION. WE AS A BOARD DID NOT COME UP WITH IT BUT WE CAN RECOGNIZE A GOOD IDEA WHEN SOMEBODY BRINGS IT TO US. I AM FULLY BEHIND THIS AND WHEN WE GET THIS STARTED, WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO DO SIMILAR THINGS WHETHER IT IS FORTRESS OR OTHER COMPANIES. >> MR. CHAIR, IF I MAY, I REMEMBER JUST A FEW MONTHS AGO COMMISSIONER BURKE BROUGHT THIS UP WITH FIRE STATION ONE BEING ONE OF THE ONES THAT WAS BROUGHT BEFORE US BEFORE. THERE WAS A CONCERN THAN THAT THIS AREA WAS NOT GETTING SERVICE THE WAY THAT IT SHOULD WITH LAKE ASBURY BEING VERY CLOSE TO WHERE THIS IS PLANNED TO BE. I THEN SPOKE WITH THE CHIEF WHO SAID THERE WERE 600 MORE UNITS COMING THAT WAY IN SHORT ORDER. VERY EXCITED ABOUT THIS PUBLIC AND PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP BECAUSE THAT AREA NEEDS SO MUCH ATTENTION. I WANT TO ECHO WHAT I HAVE ALREADY HEARD. >> OKAY. ANY OTHER ISSUES? >> IT IS WORTH POINTING OUT TO THE PUBLIC THAT THIS COMPANY HAS EXPERIENCE IN SCHOOLS AND [00:50:01] LIBRARIES. THEY HAVE DESIGNS THAT HAVE WORKED IN OTHER AREAS. SO THIS IS NOT THEIR FIRST RODEO. >> AND HERE IN THE COUNTY AS WELL. THIS WOULD NOT BE THE FIRST PROJECT IN CLAY COUNTY. THEY ALSO DID ST. JOHN'S CLASSICAL ACADEMY OFFICE 220. >> I DID NOT REALIZE THAT. WITHOUT FURTHER COMMENT, LET'S [30.  Discussion and Selection of Service Options for Curbside Collection of Solid Waste, Recyclable Materials and Yard Waste (K. Smith / M. Towns)] TAKE A VOTE. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. >> AYE >> ANY NAYS, SAME SIGN. THE MOTION PASSES. LET'S MOVE ON. ITEM NUMBER 30, DISCUSSION AND SELECTION OF SERVICE OPTIONS FOR CURBSIDE COLLECTION OF SOLID WASTE, RECYCLABLE MATERIALS, AND YARD WASTE. >> WE HAD A BID AND SIX OPTIONS WERE PROVIDED . WE ARE HERE TODAY TO TALK ABOUT THE OPTION THAT IS RECOMMENDED SO THAT STAFF CAN JUST GET BUSY NEGOTIATING THE CONTRACT. I WILL TURN IT OVER TO WILL. MR. COUNCIL. WE HAVE A SLIDE DECK AND TERESA WILL DRIVE THAT FOR US. JUST AS BACKGROUND, AND I THINK YOU WILL HAVE THIS IN YOUR PACKETS, AS KAREN SAID, WE WERE AWARDED THE RFP FOR OUR COLLECTIONS A CONTRACT ON DECEMBER 12 AND IN THAT RFP, AS YOU RECALL, THERE WERE MULTIPLE SERVICE LEVEL OPTIONS. WE WERE NOT SURE AT THAT TIME WHICH WAY WE WANTED TO GO AND WE WANTED TO GET SOME PRICING FOR DIFFERENT OPTIONS SO THAT IS WHAT WE ARE HERE TO DISCUSS TONIGHT. WE HAD A TOTAL OF SIX OPTIONS BUT REALLY THREE SERVICE LEVELS AND THEN EACH OF THOSE WITH AN OPTION TO DROP RECYCLING. SO, THE OPTIONS WE ARE REFERRING TO THEM IS FULLY AUTOMATED. THAT MEANS AUTOMATED, CARTED GARBAGE AND RECYCLING SERVICE. SO THAT HAS THE AUTOMATED SIDELOAD CARTS AND THAT IS THE ARM OF THE SIDE OF THE TRUCK THAT PICKS UP THE CAYENNE. YOU DO NOT HAVE A PERSON ON THE BACK OF THE TRUCK FOR THAT. WITH THE AUTOMATED RECYCLING THAT FORCES US INTO SINGLE --. WE ARE REFERRING TO A HYBRID MODEL WITH ASL . WE WOULD DELIVER CARDS TO ALL HOMES AND WE WOULD RETAIN OUR TWO BEEN RECYCLING COLLECTION PROGRAM. THERE WAS A PRICE OPTION FOR MANUAL COLLECTION, WHICH IS WHAT WE ARE DOING NOW. EVERYTHING IS DONE MANUALLY SO PEOPLE ON THE BACK OF THE TRUCKS. THE LARGER LABOR FORCE NEEDED AND IT IS MORE INJURY PRONE. IT LOWERS THE AMOUNT OF CANDIDATES THAT THEY HAVE BECAUSE IT TURNS IT INTO A YOUNG HEALTHY PERSONS GAME ON THE BACK OF THE TRUCK VERSUS SOMEONE WITH MAYBE A KNEE THAT DOESN'T FEEL GOOD BUT THEY CAN STILL DRIVE AN ASL AND OPERATE THE JOYSTICK AND SO ON. THEN, EACH OF THOSE OPTIONS HAS -- WE HAD AN OPTION FOR THOSE WITHOUT RECYCLING. WHEN YOU REMOVE RECYCLING FROM OPTION ONE AND TWO THEY BECOME THE SAME. SO THAT IS WHY FOUR AND FIVE ARE LISTED TOGETHER AND THEN THE FULLY MANUAL OPTION IS OPTIO THREE, WITHOUT RECYCLING. WHAT STAYS THE SAME THROUGHOUT ALL OF THE SERVICE LEVEL OPTIONS IS THE YARD TRASH COLLECTION AND THE BULK COLLECTION. SO THAT HIS FURNITURE. THAT REMAINS READY MUCH CONSISTENT REGARDLESS. THE PRIMARY DIFFERENCE IN BEING THE MANUAL COLLECTION AS WE DO TODAY, MOST OF THE BULK AS FAR AS FURNITURE TYPE ITEMS WOULD BE COLLECTED WITH THE REAR LOADER WHEN IT IS PICKED UP AND NOT A SEPARATE TRUCK. WHEREAS, ON AN AUTOMATED SERVICE LEVEL THERE WOULD BE ABLE TRUCK TO [00:55:06] PICK UP THE BULK ITEMS BECAUSE THAT ARM THAT PICKS UP THE CART IS NOT GOING TO PICK UP A COUCH FOR US. SO, IF WE GO TO SLIDE NUMBER FIVE, WE INCLUDE THE PRICING. SO, THE BIDDER GAVE US AN UNDER THE BID DOCUMENT, THEY GIVE US A MONTHLY PRICE FOR EACH OPTION AND WHAT WE HAVE DONE HERE IS WE HAVE ANNUALIZED THOSE. WHAT WE HAVE IN THE FIRST COLUMN IS THE AMOUNT FOR YEAR ONE THAT WE WOULD OWE FCC FOR EACH HOME TO PROVIDE THE SERVICE AND THEN, THE SECOND COLUMN IS OUR ESTIMATED ASSESSMENT RATE SO THAT IS WHAT WE WOULD NEED TO CHARGE THE RESIDENT TO ROLLUP THAT SERVICE. FOR ALL OF THESE OPTIONS, WE CALCULATED AN ASSESSMENT RATE WITH THE HOPE THAT THE ASSUMPTION HOLDING TRUE, WE COULD HOLD THE ASSESSMENT RATE STEADY FOR 10 YEARS. SOLD THOSE ASSUMPTIONS ARE A GROWTH RATE SIMILAR TO WHAT WE ARE DOING NOW. WE ARE ADDING ABOUT 1500 PER YEAR TO THE SERVICE AREA AS WELL AS A 3% CPI INCREASE ANNUALLY. IF THOSE TWO THINGS WERE TO HOLD TRUE, OUR COLLECTION ASSESSMENT COULD STAY RELATIVELY FLAT FOR THE DURATION OF THE CONTRACT. WHAT WE HAVE TO DO WITH THE AUTOMATED AND THE HYBRID OPTIONS IS IT REQUIRES US TO BUY CARTS TO SUPPLY TO RESIDENTS. IN THE FULLY AUTOMATED VERSION WE WOULD HAVE TO SUPPLY TWO PARTS SO ONE FOR GARBAGE AND ONE FOR RECYCLING. THAT WOULD BE ABOUT A TELL MILLION-DOLLAR COST. THE COLLECTION FUND IS THE NOT HAVE THAT AMOUNT OF MONEY SO WE WOULD BORROW THAT FROM THE WASTE DISPOSAL FUND AND WE WOULD PAY THAT BACK OVER A FOUR YEAR TERM AND THAT IS CALCULATED IN THE RATE. ALSO ON THE FULLY AUTOMATED, BEING THAT IT WOULD FORCE US INTO SINGLE STRING RECYCLING, WE CALCULATED AT THE CURRENT RATE , SINGLE STRAIN WOULD ADD ABOUT $25 PER RESIDENT PER YEAR PROCESSING FEE THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO INCLUDE IN THE RATE. THAT IS INCLUDED IN THE ESTIMATE. FOR THE HYBRID VERSION WE BORROWED $5 MILLION AND THAT IS ONE CART FOR EACH HOME. THAT CUTS CART MAINTENANCE COSTS DOWN AND CART MAINTENANCE IS FOR THE DELIVERY OF CARTS AS NEW RESIDENTS COME IN. SO THE DELIVERY REPLACING , THE FOOTWORK TO REPLACE A MISSING CART, REPAIR A CART, FIX A BROKEN WHEEL OR LEG. -- A BROKEN LID RATHER. THOSE THINGS WOULD BE HANDLED THROUGH SERVICE CONTRACT WITH THE CITY. THE FULLY MANUAL DOES NOT HAVE THOSE ADDITIONAL COST FOR CARTS. I WILL SAY FOR A CARTS VERSION SYSTEM, ALL OF THE CART MANUFACTURERS GUARANTEE THEM FOR 10 YEARS SO, WE SHOULD NOT HAVE ANY ISSUES WITH CART BODIES BREAKING OVER THE NEXT 10 YEARS. THIS BIG CAPITAL OUTLAY WILL BE SMALLER GOING FORWARD BECAUSE WE WOULD JUST BE BUYING ENOUGH CARDS TO HANDLE THE COST OF NEW CARDS THAT WERE NOT UNDER WARRANTY. SOME PEOPLE THINK THE LID OF THAT CARD IS A GREAT PLACE TO PUT HIBACHI BUT THAT WILL MELT. WE WILL LOSE CARTS TO THINGS LIKE THAT. JUST FOR COMPARISON, IT IS IN THE BOTTOM OF THE NOTE, OUR CURRENT CURBSIDE ASSESSMENT RATE IS $228 SO, ALL OF THESE COSTS REPRESENT A PRETTY BIG INCREASE TO OUR CURRENT ASSESSMENT RATE AND WE EXPECT WE WILL STILL SEE INCREASED COST GOING FORWARD. SO IN SUMMATION, STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THE BOARD ADOPT THE HYBRID FULL SERVICE MODEL. THAT WILL PROVIDE EACH PERSON WITH A GARBAGE CART. CARDS INCREASE THE AESTHETICS AND [01:00:04] THE CLEANLINESS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THEY ARE ALL UNIFORM. A PREVENTS LITERAL CAUSED BY ANIMALS. THEY PREVENT RODENTS . MOST ANIMALS, OTHER THAN BEARS, CANNOT GET INTO THESE LARGE CARTS. IF A RESIDENT PUTS THEM OUT AND THE LID IS SHUT, THERE SHOULD BE VERY FEW ISSUES WITH ANIMALS SCATTERING TRASH. BUT NOW, WE HAVE CANS THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE IN GOOD REPAIR AS WELL AS PEOPLE PUTTING IT OUT IN TRASH BAGS AND WE KNOW WHAT ANIMALS DO TO TRASH BAGS. WITH ALL OF THE ASL OPTIONS, WE WILL HAVE A CAMERA SYSTEM SO THE CAMERA SYSTEM AND THE GPS TECH ELEGY WILL READ THE TAG ON THE CART EVERY TIME IT IS LIFTED SO WE WILL HAVE SERVICE CONFIRMATION AND WE'LL BE ABLE TO CONFIRM IF A CART WAS OUT OR NOT OUT ON TIME WHEREAS, RIGHT NOW, IT IS A HE SAID SHE SAID BETWEEN THE DRIVER AND THE CUSTOMER ON IF IT WAS OUT OR NOT. THIS WOULD BE A GOOD TOOL FOR OUR STAFF IN ORDER TO HELP EDUCATE RESIDENTS ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF THIS AND TO MONITOR THE PERFORMANCE OF THE CONTRACTOR. OPTION TWO ALSO MAINTAINS OUR RECYCLING SYSTEM. MOVING FORWARD, AFTER TODAY, WE ARE ASKING FOR DIRECTION ON WHICH SYSTEM TO MOVE FORWARD WITH . WE WILL NEGOTIATE THE CONTRACT WITH THE FCC AND THE SCHEDULE IS TO BRING THAT BACK TO THE FEBRUARY 27 BOARD MEETING. IT IS POSSIBLE IT COULD COME BACK SOONER BUT AT LEAST BY THEN. AT THE TIME WE BRING THE CONTRACT BACK, WE ALSO WANT TO BRING YOU THE ASSESSMENT RATES FOR COMMITMENT TO THE ASSESSMENT RATE. OUR CURRENT ASSESSMNT RATE WILL NOT SUPPORT THIS CONTRACT AND FOR BUDGETARY REASONS WE NEED TO HAVE A COMMITMENT TO THE REVENUE IN ORDER TO SUPPORT THE NEW CONTRACT THAT WE WILL BE ASKING THE BOARD TO SIGN. AND THEN, IF THE BOARD DIRECTS US FOR A CARTED OPTION, OUR NEXT STEP WILL BE TO WORK WITH CART MANUFACTURERS AND BRING BACK TO THE BOARD A PROPOSAL AS FAR AS WHO TO PURCHASE CARTS FROM AND WHAT THAT DELIVERY LOOKS LIKE IN THE CARDS WOULD BE DELIVERED IN SEPTEMBER, PRIOR TO THE KICKOFF OF THE NEW CONTRACT IN OCTOBER. THAT IS THE PRESENTATION AND I AM HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. >> IS ANYONE HAVE QUESTIONS? OF GO OVER -- WE WERE PAYING 161 BEFORE AND THEN WE HAD TO GO TO $67. EVEN IF WE DO THE LOWEST, NUMBER SIX, WE STILL HAVE TO GO UP ALMOST $100 MORE. THAT IS JUST FOR PLANE MANUAL WITH NO RECYCLING. I WANT TO TOUCH ON THIS BECAUSE I DON'T THINK RESIDENTS UNDERSTAND -- THEY ARE TELLING ME, WE ARE DOUBLING GARBAGE. WE DON'T HAVE A CHOICE. IT IS THE AMOUNT THAT PEOPLE ARE HAVING TO PAY RIGHT NOW. CORRECT? THERE IS NOTHING WE CAN DO TO ABSORB THESE COSTS AS A COUNTY, CORRECT? >> CORRECT. THE SOLID WASTE FUNDS ARE INTERNAL FUNDS SO THEY HAVE TO BE FUNDED THROUGH THE TO WHAT WE COLLECT. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH TAXES SO THE COLLECTION PROGRAM IS FUNDED THROUGH THE ASSESSMENT COLLECTION THAT RESIDENTS PAY. NEARLY ALL OF THE FUND IS A PASS-THROUGH TO THE HAULER FOR COLLECTION. THERE IS ONLY ABOUT THREE MACKEREL FOUR % THAT'S THE COUNTY COUNTS. SO ALL OF THAT ACCOUNT IS TAKEN CARE OF FROM LESS THAN 4% OF THE TOTAL AMOUNT COLLECT. >> IN THIS IS NOT ISOLATED TO OUR COUNTY. THIS IS HAPPENING EVERYWHERE. BACK AS FAR AS RATE INCREASES, YES. WE REMIND THE PUBLIC THAT HER CONTRACT IS -- [01:05:03] IT WENT INTO EFFECT JANUARY 2007 AND IT HAS NOT REALLY KEPT UP WITH INFLATION. SO WE HAVE HAD INCREASES OVER TIME BUT NOT AT THE SAME RATE THAT EVERYTHING HAS GONE UP , ESPECIALLY OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS. WE THINK THE PRICES THAT FCC GAVE AND REALLY, THE OTHER BIDDERS AS WELL , FCC WAS THE LOWEST. THEY ARE VERY COMPETITIVE. THEY ARE CERTAINLY IN LINE WITH WHAT OTHER PEOPLE ARE GETTING AND THEY ARE LESS THAN WHAT A WHOLE LOT OF OTHER COMMUNITIES ARE PAYING. >> I WANT TO TOUCH BACK FROM THE RECYCLING. THAT IS NOT SOMETHING ISOLATED TO OUR COUNTY, RIGHT? I HAVE BEEN TOLD THAT WE ARE THE ONLY COUNTY DOING THIS. THAT, IT IS LIKE WE ARE THE ONES THAT DECIDED TO CHANGE IT. WHAT ARE OTHER PEOPLE DOING? I KNOW ONE COUNTY TOTALLY GOT RID OF IT . ONE OF THE OTHER ONES DOING? >> SO FIRST, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT RECYCLING IS LOCAL. SO THE DECISIONS OF EACH COMMUNITY ARE LOCALIZED TO THE CONDITIONS FACING THAT COMMUNITY SO, FOR US, A STONE LOCATION, WITH A DUAL STREAM SYSTEM, WE HAVE TWO PROCESSORS . BOTH OF THEM HAVE BEEN AFTER IS FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS TO GET RID OF GLASS BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT TO DEAL WITH IT. IT IS USED AS DAILY COVER ON THE LANDFILL SO IT HAS A REUSE BUT IT IS NOT BEING MADE INTO NEW GLASS BOTTLES AND THAT IS WHAT IS GOING INTO THEIR INCREASE IN FEES TO US BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT ABLE TO SELL THIS MATERIAL. OTHER COMMUNITIES MIGHT HAVE A MARKET FOR GLASS ALTHOUGH, MOST COMMUNITIES THAT I AM AWARE OF, AND WE HAVE BEEN WATCHING , MANY COMMUNITIES ARE DROPPING GLASS FROM CURBSIDE PICKUP . >> ESPECIALLY IN FLORIDA. >> YES. THE SAME WITH SOME OF THE LESS DESIRABLE PLASTICS. THERE IS A FLOOD OF MATERIAL ON THE MARKET. AFTER THEY SORT IT AND MAIL IT MANY OF THEM ARE HAVING A HARD TIME FINDING A HOME FOR IT FOR IT TO BE REUSED. SO WE ARE TRYING TO BALANCE ENVIRONMENTAL RECYCLING WITH FINANCIAL STEWARDSHIP. OF THE MONEY OF RESIDENTS. IF WE CAN PURSUE TRYING TO RECYCLE EVERYTHING BUT, AT WHAT COST? IT WILL CONTINUE TO RAISE COSTS IF WE TRY TO RECYCLE IT ALL. SO, COMMUNITIES OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS, A LOT OF THEM HAVE DROPPED LAST RECYCLING. MORE CITIES AND COUNTIES HAVE STOPPED THERE CURBSIDE PROGRAMS ALTOGETHER. OR THEY HAVE STOPPED IT AND NOT EVEN PROVIDED A DROP-OFF PROGRAM. POLK COUNTY HAS VOTED TO DROP THERE'S AND THAT IS A LARGE COUNTY. OVER 140,000 HOUSEHOLDS THAT THEY WILL PULL IN A RECYCLING. EACH COMMUNITY IS FACING THIS DIFFERENTLY. >> WHY WOULD WE NOT WANT TO DO A DROP-OFF PROGRAM? >> WE HAVE A DROP-OFF PROGRAM. RESIDENCE, EVERYBODY IS LOOKING AT THE COST AND WE KNOW RECYCLING IS A LOT LESS EXPENSIVE. SO, IF YOU CAN TELL THE RESIDENTS, WHY WOULD WE NOT JUST TO DROP OFF AS OPPOSED TO CURBSIDE? >> SO, IN ESSENCE, THERE ARE THREE OPTIONS. WE PICK IT UP CURBSIDE. OR WE DON'T PICK UP CURBSIDE AND WE HAVE FIVE SITES CURRENTLY IN FOUR COLLECTION CENTERS. OR WE COULD NOT RECYCLE ALTOGETHER. SO, THE CHEAPEST OPTION BY FAR ON COLLECTION IS NOT COLLECTED CURBSIDE. THE DIFFERENCE IN COST BETWEEN GOING AUTOMATED GARBAGE AND TWO BEEN RECYCLING VERSUS AUTOMATIC GARBAGE AND NO RECYCLING IS ABOUT $4.8 MILLION PER YEAR AT THIS RATE. [01:10:05] COST TO DO THE DROP OFF? >> THE DROP OFF CENTERS, YOU WILL GET LESS PARTICIPATION BECAUSE IT WILL LOWER THE CONVENIENCE FACTOR WHEN THEY ARE NOT PICKING IT UP AT YOUR DOOR. THERE WOULD BE SOME INCREASE HAULING COST TO COLLECTION CENTERS. WE SAW AN INCREASE WHEN WE SUSPENDED RECYCLING DURING COVID-19 A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO. I DON'T HAVE A CALCULATION FOR EXACTLY WHAT THAT WOULD COST. BUT IT WILL NOT BE $4.8 MILLION. >> I LIKE TO RECYCLE. BUT, UNFORTUNATELY, I WISH WE COULD HAVE A VOTE. I KNOW WE KNOW THAT ONLY 30-40% OF PEOPLE RECYCLE SO THE OTHER 60%, PROBABLY MORE NOW BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT TO SEPARATE THE RECYCLING. I JUST THINK THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD LOOK AT BECAUSE IF WE ARE LOOKING AT COST, THAT WOULD HELP. THAT IS KIND OF WHAT I AM THINKING ABOUT. BECAUSE, WE CAN'T ARE THE PEOPLE THAT WANT TO ELIMINATED DUE TO THE COST. ANYWAY, THAT WAS NOT PART OF YOUR PRESENTATION TO DO THAT ALONG WITH IT. >> IT IS ONE OF THE SERVICE OPTIONS IN FRONT OF YOU. >> THERE IS A DROP OFF WITH THE BACK? >> SO, THIS DECISION IS SPECIFIC TO CURBSIDE BUT CERTAINLY, WE ARE NOT HERE PROPOSING. WHICHEVER OPTION YOU CHOOSE, PART OF IT IS TO NOT DO ANY CHANGES. SO WE WOULD CONTINUE THAT UNLESS THE BOARD DIRECTED US OR THE BOARD NEEDED US TO DO SOME CHANGES AT THE COLLECTION SITES. SO, IF OUR DO MINE DEMAND A COLLECTION CENTERS WENT UP BECAUSE OF USAGE GOING UP, THEN, WE WOULD ADJUST AT THOSE SITES. WE MIGHT HAVE TO BUY MORE RECYCLING CONTAINERS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT . IF USAGE GOES UP AND COSTS GO UP, WE WILL BE PAYING FOR MORE HAULING. >> SO, 262 INCLUDES THE DROP OFF THAT WE ALREADY HAVE? >> YES. NONE OF THESE OPTIONS WOULD CHANGE WHAT WE ARE DOING CURRENTLY AT THE DROP OFF SITES. >> OKAY. THANK YOU. I'M GOOD. YOU COMMISSIONER. WHEN WE VOTED ON THE RATES IN AUGUST AND SEPTEMBER, I DID NOT VOTE ON THE COLLECTION FEE GOING UP. THE REASON I DID NOT WANT TO IS BECAUSE WE DID NOT KNOW WHAT THIS WAS GOING TO BE AND I DIDN'T WANT TO CONFUSE RESIDENT BY VOTING TWICE. I THINK, IF YOU TAKE THE 228 THAT IS THE CURRENT RATE AND WE WENT TO THE 262 AND DID NOT HAVE THE CURBSIDE RECYCLING, FOR 100% OF OUR RESIDENTS TO BEAR THE COST FOR ONLY 30% TO USE CURBSIDE RECYCLING, WHICH, I DO. I LIKE TO RECYCLE. A LOT LESS IS BEING TAKEN AND THAT IS A $34 DIFFERENCE BUT FOR THAT $34, THEY ARE GETTING THE CART TO PUT THE GARBAGE OUT OF THEIR HOME AND THEY ARE GETTING BETTER SERVICE BECAUSE WE HAVE THE CAMERA THAT CAN TELL AND SO STAFF CAN MONITOR THAT AND SEE IF SOMEONE WAS MISSED AND THEY CAN GO BACK AND PICK IT UP HOPEFULLY WITH THE RESIDENCE NOT EVEN KNOWING THAT THEIR HOUSE WAS MISSED. I THINK IF WE WERE ABLE TO GO FROM THE 228 CURRENT RATE UP TO THE RECOMMENDATION OF 330 IT IS A $100 INCREASE ON RESONANCE THAT JUST HAD A $96 PER YEAR INCREASE LAST YEAR AND I THINK THAT IS A LOT TO ASK 30% OF RESIDENTS TO USE CURBSIDE RECYCLING. I WANT TO OFFER IT AT THE LOCATIONS BUT I TEND TO FALL INTO THAT CAMP AS WELL. >> ONE MORE QUESTION. >> CAN WE GET A SECOND CAN IF WE WANT? FOR GARBAGE? OR WHAT [01:15:01] HAPPENS IF YOU DON'T HAVE ONE? >> FOR SECOND CONTAINERS, AND IF YOU WANT TO THAT OPTION, THAT IS SOMETHING, THE SHORT ANSWER IS YES BUT WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE DETAILS OF HOW THAT WORKS BECAUSE IT DOES COST ADDITIONAL AND THERE WOULD BE AN ADDITIONAL FEE. THE HAULER WILL NEED TO BE COMPENSATED FOR HOOKING UP TWO CANS AT THE HOUSE INSTEAD OF ONE BUT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD RING BACK IN THE CONTRACT. >> I KNOW YOU HAVE SAID SOMETHING ABOUT THE RED BAGS YOU CAN BUY. >> WITH THE CARTED OPTION FOR THOSE THAT WOULD HAVE OVERFLOW EVERY NOW AND THEN LIKE CHRISTMAS OR WHATEVER, REMEMBER, WE STILL HAVE THE COLLECTION CENTERS AND THAT COULD BE AN OVERFLOW DROP OFF BUT CURBSIDE AND STAFF IS LOOKING AT, RATHER THAN HAVING BAGS MANUFACTURED, GOING WITH A STICKER PROGRAM WHEREAS, THE STICKERS ARE A NOMINAL COST TO MANUFACTURE VERSUS THE BAGS AND THEN THE RESIDENT CAN PROVIDE THE BAG AND PUT A STICKER ON IT. THEY PURCHASED THE STICKERS AND FOR THAT THE HAULER GETS PAID BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO STOP THE TRUCK , GET OUT, RELOAD THE CART. SO THEY WILL GET COMPENSATED AS WELL AS COVERING THE COST OF THE STICKERS AND THE EXTRA WASTE DISPOSAL FOR THE EXTRA BAGS. WE WILL BUILD THE RATE OF THE DISPOSAL BASED ON THE CART SO, IF THERE IS ADDITIONAL, THAT MAKES IT A LITTLE MORE FAIR FOR RESIDENTS BUT, IF THERE IS A RESIDENT, THE IDEA IS TO NOT HAVE TO BUY STICKERS EVERY WEEK. THAT SHOULD BE AN ON OCCASION OPTION IF THEY HAVE OVERFLOW. IF THEY HAVE IT EVERY WEEK, THEY COULD HAVE ANOTHER CART AVAILABLE BUT WE HAVE NOT WORKED OUT WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE. >> I HAVE A NEIGHBOR THAT, I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY ARE GOING TO LIVE WITH JUST ONE GARBAGE CAN. SO, I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT'S HAPPENING THERE. >> THE STANDARD CART IS EQUIVALENT TO THREE STANDARD GARBAGE CANS. IT IS QUITE LARGE. AND A FEW FLATTEN MATERIALS BEFORE YOU PUT IT IN THERE, IT SAVES A LOT OF SPACE SO, GOING CARTED WITH SOME ADJUSTMENTS, I THINK MOST PEOPLE WILL BE JUST FINE WITH THE CART AND PROBABLY MOST FAMILIES WON'T FILL THEM. >> BUT WE STILL CAN GO TO THE DUMP IF WE NEED TO. >> YES. WE WILL STILL HAVE DROP OFF SITES AVAILABLE SO, IF SOMEBODY HAS OVERFLOW, IF THEY DON'T WANT TO BUY THE STICKERS, THEY CAN ALWAYS BRING IT TO ROSEMARY HILL OR TAKEN TO A A COLLECTION CENTER. >> THANK YOU. >> I HAVE QUESTIONS. THESE ARE WHEELED CARTS? >> YES. >> AND THESE ARE LARGER 96 GALLON CARTS? THAT COULD BE A PROBLEM FOR SOME RESIDENT. DO WE HAVE A HOME PICK UP? WHERE A GARAGE PICK UP OPTION FOR RESIDENTS? >> WE BID FOR A PRICE FOR WHAT WE CALL SIDE DOOR COLLECTION AND THAT IS A CONCIERGE SERVICE BUT WE BID A RATE FOR THAT SO THE RATE IS SET AND IF A CUSTOMER WANTED THE HAULER TO COME UP TO THEIR HOUSE AND WE'LL THE CART TO THE CURB , THAT SERVICE IS AVAILABLE FOR AN ADDITIONAL FEE AND THE RESIDENT WOULD SIGN UP FOR THAT SERVICE DIRECTLY WITH THE HAULER AND THEY WOULD PAY THAT ADDITIONAL AMOUNT TO THE HAULER DIRECTLY. >> MY UNDERSTANDING IS WE ARE CHANGING THE CURBSIDE RECYCLING MODEL TODAY. BASICALLY, IF IT DOESN'T WORK OUT, AND WE DECIDE THIS IS COSTING US MORE THAN IT IS WORTH, WE COULD CHANGE THAT . BEFORE THIS CONTRACT IS ON TO AFFECT. IS THAT TRUE? >> WE ARE GOING TO MAKE A COMMITMENT TO NEGOTIATE FOR THE LEVEL OF SERVICE SO IF WE CHANGE AFTERWARDS, THERE IS -- >> THIS GOES INTO EFFECT ON 1 OCTOBER? >> YES. THE HAULER WILL BE PUTTING AN ORDER IN FOR EQUIPMENT SO IT CAN BE DELIVERED BEFORE THIS STARTS. WE DO HAVE A PROVISION WHERE WE COULD REMOVE OR ADD RECYCLING WITH A ONE YEAR NOTICE AND THAT IS IN THE BID. BUT, THEY [01:20:02] WOULD HAVE TO NEGOTIATE THE COST OF THAT. >> MAY ASK A QUESTION? >> I WOULD ENCOURAGE THE BOARD THAT WE CHOOSE WHAT WE WILL STICK WITH IF AT ALL POSSIBLE. DIDN'T REALIZE THAT IS AN EXTRA CHARGE. ONE OF MY SENIOR CITIZENS USED THAT SIDE DOOR OPTION . THEY PAY EXTRA FOR THAT? >> WE ALSO HAVE , FOR THOSE THAT QUALIFY, UNDER THE LOW INCOME GUIDELINES AND NEED THAT SERVICE. FOR MOBILITY NECESSITY. THAT IS INCLUDED. INCOME? >> AND ORDERED TO NOT PAY FOR THAT EXTRA, THEY HAVE TO MEET THE INCOME GUIDELINES. >> ON THINKING ABOUT DISABLED VETERANS AND THOSE KIND OF THINGS. THEY MAY NOT MEET THE INCOME. >> IN WHICH CASE THEY WOULD HAVE TO PAY FOR THAT SERVICE. >> I DON'T LIKE THAT. >> IF YOU DON'T DO THAT, SOMEBODY HAS TO PAY FOR IT. THE HAULER HAS TO BE COMPENSATED FOR THE EXTRA WORK SO OUR MODEL HAS BEEN THAT IF THE ME LOW INCOME GUIDELINES, THEY CAN GET AN EXEMPTION. IF THEY MEET THE EXEMPTION GUIDELINES THEY CAN BE EXEMPTED FROM PAYING THAT FEE. SO CALL MOST OF THE SIDE DOOR SERVICES BEING PROVIDED CURRENTLY ARE TO RESIDENCE WHO ARE UNDER THAT EXEMPTION. THERE ARE SOME PAYING FOR THAT SERVICE WITH THE HAULER. IT IS A SMALL NUMBER. >> HOW MUCH DO THEY PAY? DO YOU KNOW? >> I THINK IT IT IS $35 OR $37 PER QUARTER. >> SELECT $12 PER MONTH? >> THAT IS IN ADDITION TO THEIR ASSESSMENT OF. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? >> MORE OF A REQUEST. >> SO, FOR 100% DISABLED VETERANS, BY ORDINANCE THEY CAN APPLY FOR AND BE GRANTED A AN EXEMPTION. BUT THERE IS NO INCOME COMPONENT. BUT, THE INCOME COMPONENT IS RELATED TO THAT CONCIERGE , THAT HIGHER LEVEL OF SERVICE. >> OKAY. >> COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? >>, NO, JUST TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION WHAT MR. TOWNES IS ASKING OF US. IF WE ARE WANTING TO SELECT A SERVICE MODEL AND STICK WITH IT WITHOUT THAT VACILLATING BETWEEN SERVICES, I AM REQUESTING, SINCE YOU HAVE GOT A SIX WEEK BUILT IN HERE, TO TABLE THIS TO THE NEXT MEETING SO THAT , FOR MY DISTRICT, MY CONCERN IS THAT I HAVE NOT HEARD ENOUGH FROM THEM AS TO WHAT THEY WANT AND I WOULD LIKE TO GIVE THEM TWO MORE WEEKS TO WAY YOUNG. I HAVE HEARD FROM OTHER DISTRICTS AND THEY ARE CALLING ME FROM THEIR DISTRICTS. BUT MY DISTRICT, I WANT TO GIVE THEM A COUPLE MORE WEEKS SO I CAN GET SUBSTANTIVE FEEDBACK ON THIS DECISION BECAUSE, ONLY 30% ARE USING THE SERVICE OF RECYCLING AND I REMEMBER WHEN I WAS RUNNING THAT THIS WAS A BIG DEAL TO CERTAIN PARTS OF DISTRICT TWO BUT NOT ALL OF DISTRICT 2 AND I JUST WANT TO BE SURE. AND I HAVE SHARED THIS WITH STAFF BEFORE. I DO NOT WANT TO MAKE A UNILATERAL DECISION. I WANT AS MUCH COMMUNITY BY THEM BEFORE MAKING A DECISION THAT WILL IMPACT THEIR WALLETS. THAT IS BENEFITING SUCH A SMALL PERCENTAGE OF THE COUNTY. BUT, THAT IS JUST MY REQUEST. I WOULD BE REMISS NOT TO AT LEAST MAKE THAT. >> WHAT IS THE IMPACT? >> AM GOING TO ASK THE COUNTY ATTORNEY. I REALLY HAVE [01:25:03] CONCERNS THAT IF WE PUSH OUR CONTRACT DATE THAT MUCH FURTHER THEY WON'T BE ABLE TO GET TRUCKS IN HERE ON TIME. AND THAT PUTS MORE PRECIOUS ON YOUR PRESSURE ON YOUR OFFICE. >> WELL, IT IS WHAT IT IS. >> I SEE THAT YOU HAVE FEBRUARY 27 AS THE DATE FOR THE CONTRACT TO BE APPROVED BY US. RIGHT? SO THAT WOULD NEED TO BE FINESSED BEFORE THAT POINT. SO, I AM WONDERING IF, I AM LOOKING FOR THE NEXT MEETING. NOT INTO FEBRUARY. WE HAVE ONE MORE THIS MONTH. DOES THAT FOUR WEEK TIME FRAME WORK FOR YOUR OFFICE? >> IT IS NOT AS MUCH OUR TIME FRAME AS MUCH AS IT IS THE NEGOTIATION TIMEFRAME. >> IF I COULD, WE HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE FROM FCC WE COULD ASK. >> CHARLES, I'M GOING TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT. >> I'M CHARLES MERKLEY AND I AM THE DIRECTOR OF FCC ENVIRONMENTAL SERVICES. EVERY DAY IS IMPORTANT WHEN YO ARE BUYING EQUIPMENT. EVERY DAY COUNTS. WE WERE HOPING TO HAVE THE WHOLE THING IN FRONT OF YOU BY FEBRUARY 13. OUR MANUFACTURERS ARE PUSHING US FOR ORDERS AND OBVIOUSLY WE CAN'T ORDER THE EQUIPMENT UNTIL WE HAVE A SIGNED AGREEMENT. IN LIGHT OF WHATEVER OPTION THAT YOU SELECT, THAT MAKES A HUGE DIFFERENCE ON THE EQUIPMENT THAT WE ORDER. IN YOUR COUNTY THERE ARE SOME SPECIALTY TYPES OF EQUIPMENT THAT WE HAVE TO ORDER. IF YOU GO DUAL STREAM WE HAVE TO DO SPLIT BODIES. SO THAT WE COLLECT PROPERLY AND SOME OF THE ROADS WE HAVE TO USE A FOUR-WHEEL-DRIVE CHASSIS. THOSE ARE NOT JUST THE NORMAL CHASSIS YOU GET COMING OFF THE LINE SO THAT TAKES LONGER. TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE. >> MR. CHAIR, WE HAVE OF FEBRUARY 27 DATE . YOUR SANG THE 17TH? >> I MAY HAVE SAID THAT. I SAID WE WERE HOPING TO HAVE IT BACK BY THE 13TH BECAUSE OF THE TIME THAT WE ARE UNDER TO GET THE EQUIPMENT. IT DOES SAY THE 27TH ON YOUR DOCUMENT BUT ALSO, SOONER IF POSSIBLE. IF WE GET A DRAFT AGREEMENT TOMORROW WE ARE READY TO LOOK AT IT AND SIGN. SO, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THE HYBRID MODEL? >> YES. WE ARE RECOMMENDING THE FULL SERVICE HYBRID OPTION. OUR SECONDARY RECOMMENDATION IF THE BOARD IS INTERESTED WOULD BE THE HYBRID OPTION FOUR OR FIVE MEETING THE CARTED GARBAGE. >> NO RECYCLE? >> THAT WOULD BE A OUR SECONDARY OPTION. >> I DON'T THINK WE CAN SAY NO RECYCLING. WE'RE STILL RECYCLING IF WE DROP IT OFF. >> NO CURBSIDE. A PART OF THE COLLECTION CONTRACT. >> MR. CHAIR, IF I COULD, THE RIGHT THING TO DO IS CONTINUING TO OFFER SOME KIND OF RECYCLING HOWEVER, IF YOU MAKE IT INCONVENIENT FOR PEOPLE TO RECYCLE, IT WILL DROP BELOW THE 80% TO THE POINT WHERE IT IS NOT EVEN WORTH HAVING. IF WE ARE CONTEMPLATING THAT, AND I HERE IS CONTEMPLATING THAT, I THINK WE JUST GO FOR THE FOUR OR THE FIVE OPTION AND DO AWAY WITH RECYCLING. IT IS INEVITABLE IT WILL JUST DRY UP AND GO AWAY. THAT IS JUST HUMAN NATURE. I HATE TO SAY THAT BECAUSE I DO RECYCLE. I BELIEVE IT IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO TO TRY TO KEEP THAT MATERIAL OUT OF LANDFILLS . WE WENT TO THE HYBRID TO SAVE ON COST AND TO BE ABLE TO CONTINUE TO OFFER RECYCLING SO THAT WE CAN GET 30% OR 40% AND MAYBE TRY TO GROW IT NOW THAT IT WILL BE SIMPLER TO KEEP JUST THE CARDBOARD, THE CANS, AND THOSE BOTTLES. FROM THAT STANDPOINT, WE COULD BE SITTING HERE A YEAR FROM NO IMPLEMENTING THAT AND IT COULD HAVE JUMPED TO 45 OR 50% BECAUSE THERE ARE NOT AS MANY THINGS THAT YOU HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT. IT IS A LOT LESS CONFUSING THAN IT WAS BEFORE. I AM GLAD THAT YOU ARE HEARING [01:30:07] FROM PEOPLE FROM MY DISTRICT BECAUSE I HAVE NOT HEARD ONE PERSON CALL ME AND SAY, WE NEED TO DO THIS OR THAT . IN THE PAST, WE WENT TO A DROP OFF SITUATION FOR RECYCLING, THE LIBRARY WAS PROBABLY THE LEADING COLLECTOR IN TERMS OF MATERIALS. I THINK WE HAD THREE DUMPSTERS THERE AT 1.2 HANDLES THE FULL LOAD SO MY DISTRICT LIKES TO RECYCLE WHETHER IT IS IN THE FRONT YARD OR THE LIBRARY OR A COLLECTION POINT. I THINK, CERTAINLY, I WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE TO OFFER SOME KIND OF RECYCLING SO, IF IT HAS GOT TO BE NUMBER FOUR OR FIVE TO SAVE MONEY THAT IS WHAT IT HAS TO BE BUT AT THE SAME TIME, I THINK A COMMUNITY THAT WANTS TO BE RECOGNIZED AS A LEADER AMONG OTHER COUNTIES SHOULD BE OFFERING SOME KIND OF RECYCLING. SO, NOT AN EASY DECISION TO MAKE BUT, AT THE SAME TIME, I WOULD BE READY TO VOTE BUT, I CERTAINLY RESPECT THE COMMISSIONERS WHO WOULD WANT SOME MORE TIME TO BE ABLE TO DO WHATEVER THEY ARE GOING TO DO IN TERMS OF TRYING TO SAMPLE PUBLIC OPINION. >> IT IS UNFORTUNATE BECAUSE WHEN WE HAD TO SUSPEND CURBSIDE RECYCLING FOR LABOR SHORTAGES DURING COVID-19, I WAS ADAMANTLY OPPOSED TO IT AND I HAD A FEW CONSTITUENTS WHO WERE VERY VOCAL ABOUT IT. BUT, IT SEEMS TO ME THAT IN THE PAST MONTH, FROM OUR RECYCLING PROCESSORS, IT HAS BECOME EXPENSIVE AND NOT REALLY WORTH IT. WE KIND OF LIVE IN A DISPOSABLE SOCIETY AND UNFORTUNATELY IT SEEMS THAT RECYCLING HAS GONE THE WAY. IF YOU CAN DISPOSE OF TRASH AT $58 PER TON AND IT COST $85 PER TON TO RECYCLE, IT DOES NOT MAKE FINANCIAL SENSE. I'M SURE YOU COULD EASILY LOOK DOWN THE DAIS AND GO, SHE HAS KIND OF FLIPPED OR IS HYPOCRITICAL BUT, YOU KNOW, I CHANGED MY OPINION BASED ON THAT. 30% OF OUR RESIDENTS THAT RECYCLE, OUR FAMILY RECYCLES A LOT. I SHARED WITH MILTON AND THE OTHERS AT MY BRIEFING TODAY THAT WE USED TO PUT OUT THREE OR FOUR BINS OF RECYCLING AND YESTERDAY WAS OUR RECYCLING DAY. WE PUT OUT CARDBOARD BOXES FROM AMAZON. AND WE HAD MAYBE THREE OR FOUR BOXES IN IT AND THAT WAS IT. THERE WERE A FEW DIET COKE CANS AND A COUPLE OF MILL CURTAINS. I THINK THAT -- I BUY A LOT OF STUFF IN GLASS. I THINK THAT MAYBE PEOPLE WILL CHANGE THEIR HABITS AND MAYBE THAT WILL DRIVE MANUFACTURERS TO USE DIFFERENT PACKAGING. IT IS UNFORTUNATE WE ARE PUTTING PEOPLE IN THIS POSITION BECAUSE OF THE ECONOMY. I JUST WANT TO NOT PUT SO MUCH BURDEN ON OUR RESIDENTS. WE HEARD A LOT ABOUT THE $96 INCREASE YEAR OVER YEAR ON THEIR ASSESSMENT AND, SO, THAT IS WHY I WAS FALLING IN THAT AREA. >> I THINK I HEAR A CONSENSUSBUILDING FOR FOUR OR FIVE, NO RECYCLING EXCEPT THE RECYCLING CENTER . AND A DESIRE TO MOVE FORWARD TONIGHT . QUICKER IS BETTER THAN LATER. I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO MAKE ONE. >> I WILL MOVE -- I WOULD MAKE A MOTION TO DO 4-5. AUTOMATIC, NO RECYCLIG, EXCEPT THAT THE --. THAT IS MY MOTION. >> I SECOND. AND I WOULD JUST ADD TO THAT THAT I HEARD A LITTLE BIRDIE TOLD ME THAT ST. JOHN'S COUNTY IS RAISING THEIR RATES. THEY VOTED TODAY I GUESS. OR MAYBE IT WAS LAST WEEK. THEY ARE RAISING THEIR RATES ON THEIR RESIDENCE MORE THAN WE HAVE HAD TO RAISE THEM, SIGNIFICANTLY. I WOULD JUST ADD THAT THEY DO THINGS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY THAN CLAY COUNTIES SO FOR THOSE THAT SAY ST. JOHN'S DOES IT BETTER, THEY HAVE A BALL CONTAINER FOR RECYCLING AND THEY ARE PAYING [01:35:02] $160 PER TON TO SEND THAT TO THE PROCESSORS. THEIR GARBAGE SERVICES MANUAL. THEY JUST PUT IT OUT AND THEY DO NOT PROVIDE CANS. FOR WHAT IT IS WORTH, I THOUGHT I WOULD ADD THAT. I GOT AN EMAIL FROM A RESIDENT TODAY THAT SAID THAT SURROUNDING COUNTIES THAT DO IT BETTER. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. FOR FOUR AND FIVE WITHOUT RECYCLING EXCEPT AT THE CENTERS THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY. THE ENVIRONMENTAL CENTERS AROUND THE COUNTY. ANY DISCUSSION? >> MR. CHAIR, I AM NOT ABLE TO SUPPORT THAT AT THIS TIME. I THINK JUST BECAUSE OF THE LEVEL OF RECYCLING THAT MY DISTRICT DOES, I THINK IT WILL GET MORE COMPLAINTS ABOUT THOSE PEOPLE WILL WILL HAVE TO BRING IT TO A COLLECTION POINT SOMEWHERE SO I CANNOT SUPPORT FOUR AND FIVE AT THIS POINT. IT DOES NOT MEAN THAT OTHER FOLKS CAN OR CAN'T. THAT IS MY THOUGHT PROCESS ON THAT ONE. >> ANY OTHER COMMENTS? QUESTIONS? CONCERNS? THE ITEM ON THE FLOOR IS OPTION 4-5 WITHOUT RECYCLING. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. >> AYE. >> ANY NAYS, SAME SIGN. >> SO IT IS 3-2. IT MOVES FORWARD. WE ARE VICTIMS OF THE ECONOMIC SYSTEM. YOU CAN CHANGE IT AT A LATER TIME BUT IT WILL BE COSTLY. >> IT WILL BE COSTLY BECAUSE THEY WON'T HAVE THE TRUCK AS. SO YOU WILL BE PAYING FOR THAT AT THAT TIME. >> IT IS ALWAYS GOING TO COST. FOR THE 5:00 TIME. WE HAVE A COUPLE OF ZONING REQUESTS WHICH REQUIRE SWEARING IN. IS THAT CORRECT? >> YES. >> IF YOU WANT TO READ THOSE OFF. >> THEY NEED TO STAND. >> IF YOU ARE GOING TO TAKE THE OATH, YOU NEED TO STAND. IF YOU ARE GOING TO SPEAK TO ANY OF THE ITEMS. I SEE SOMEBODY WAVING IN THE BACK. >> WHEN YOU STAND, PLEASE WAVE TO THE CENTER. >> IF YOU ARE GOING TO COMMENT, PLEASE STAND AT THE CENTER SO WE CAN GET YOU ON CAMERA. >> DO ALL SOLEMNLY SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE TESTIMONY THAT [31.  Final Public Hearing to consider adoption of ZON-1023-00025. (District 5, Comm. Burke) (B. Carson)] YOU ARE ABOUT TO GIVE WILL BE THE WHOLE TRUTH, NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH, SO HELP YOU GOD. THANK YOU. >> FIRST ITEM ON THE TIME CERTAIN IS THE FINAL PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER ADOPTION OF ZON-1023-00025, DISTRICT 5. COMMISSIONER BURKE. DO YOU WANT TO BRIEF US? >> YES. >> THIS IS AN ADMINISTRATIVE REZONING AND THAT IS WHY THERE ARE TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS. THIS IS THE FINAL PUBLIC HEARING . WE WOULD ASK FOR ACTION AT THE END. THE APPLICANTS ARE THE COUNTY AND THIS IS A ZONING MAP AMENDMENT TO CORRECT WHERE FOUR PARCELS WERE ZONED INDUSTRIAL IN THE 80S SO THIS IS IN A THE DISTRICT OF COMMISSIONER BURKE . THE PLANNING COMMISSION HEARD THIS ON DECEMBER --. THE FOUR PARCELS TOTAL MY .5 ACRES. THEY REZONED I'D BE AND THEY WOULD LIKE TO REZONE THEM TO A ARE. THEY ARE CURRENTLY AHBEE BUT THEY ARE NOT PROVIDING AN INDUSTRIAL USE. SO THEY CANNOT EXPAND THE USER GET A PERMIT FOR A SHED, GARAGE, OR SWIMMING POOL FOR EXAMPLE. SO, THEY CURRENTLY HAVE A FRINGE LAND-USE DESIGNATION AND THAT WOULD RESOLVE THE NONCONFORMITY AND BRING THEM IN COMPLIANCE WITH LAND-USE. THEY MAP ON THE LEFT IS THE CURRENT ZONING DISTRICT MOVING FROM THE LEFT TO THE RIGHT. THE MAROON AND PURPLE. THE BIG ONE IS GROWTH AND THE THREE PARCELS WHICH ARE NOT MATCHED OUR PARCELS THAT ARE LAND-USE CHANGED RECENTLY FOR THE BOAT STORAGE AND THE ONES THAT ARE HATCHED ARE THE SUBJECT OF THIS REZONING APPLICATION. THE ARIEL IS ON [01:40:03] THE RIGHT. STAFF IS REQUESTING THIS CHANGE FOR THE FOUR PARCELS TOTALING 2.95 ACRES THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE RURAL FRINGE LAND-USE CATEGORY. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ZON-1023-00025 AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION VOTED TO APPROVE THIS. DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? >> ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? WE OPEN UP FOR PUBLIC HEARING IF ANYONE WISHES TO SPEAK. YOU MAY APPROACH THE PODIUM NOW. SEEING NONE , I CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. THIS WAS BROUGHT ABOUT THE FIRST INDIVIDUAL THAT CHANGED ZONING AND THEN THEY DISCOVERED AN ERROR? >> THAT IS CORRECT. WHEN THE BOAT STORAGE GENTLEMAN WANTED TO COME IN AND REZONE THE OTHER PARCELS WE DISCOVERED THAT THIS HAD BEEN REZONED IN 1988. >> MOVE APPROVAL. >> SECOND. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. TO APPROVE THE ZONING FOR THESE PARCELS. ANY QUESTIONS, CONCERNS, OR COMMENTS? ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. [32.  Final Public Hearing to consider adoption of PUD-0723-00009. (District 4, Comm. Condon) (B. Carson)] >> AYE >> ANY NAYS, SAME SIGN. HEARING NONE , THE MOTION PASSES. MOVING ON, ITEM 32, FINAL PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER ADOPTION OF PUD-0723-00009. >> THE APPLICANTS ARE -- IN THE REQUEST FOR THIS IS TO REZONE THE 10.92 ACRES FROM BA, BB, AND TRICKS TO PS-2 TO AR AND PCD. THE PLANNING COMMISSION HEARD THIS ON DECEMBER 5. THE PARCEL IS -- THEY ARE LOCATED ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE LANDING JUST NORTH OF 215. THEY ARE COMPRISED COMPRISING MOST OF THE BLOC BETWEEN ROSEMARY STREET, PRIMROSE , ALLIGATOR LANDING. THIS IS THE SITE OF IMC CONSTRUCTION AND THEY ARE WISHING TO EXPAND THEIR DEVELOPMENT AND ALSO PRESERVE BUFFERS AROUND THE RESIDENTIAL BUT IS THERE. THESE ARE THE PROPOSED BEFORE AND AFTER ZONING. AS YOU SEE, THEY ARE SURROUNDED BY RESIDENTIAL BUT THE PINK IS CULTURAL. THERE ARE A COUPLE OF CHURCHES THERE. ONE OF THE CONCERNS WAS OVER THE SITE PLAN. SO , THE APPLICANT AND THE AGENT HAVE REVISED THE PLAN AND THE CHANGES WERE THAT THEY HAVE NOW NOTED THAT THE EXISTING RESIDENTIAL STAY RESIDENTIAL AND THAT THE TREE LINE, THE TREE BUFFER BETWEEN THEM AND THE EASEMENT WILL REMAIN AND THERE WILL BE A SIX FOOT FENCE PLACED IN BETWEEN AND THE STORAGE IS TO BE LIMITED TO CONTAINERS AND HEAVY EQUIPMENT USED SUCH AS BULLDOZERS AND THINGS LIKE THAT TO SERVICE THOSE CONTAINERS. BUT THAT IS THE LIMITATION OF THE HEAVY EQUIPMENT. AS A PCD IT IS GUIDED BY THE WRITTEN STATEMENT AND THE SITE PLAN. SO, THESE ARE THE USES THAT WERE PROPOSED. IT IS LIMITED TO THESE USES. THEY ALSO HAVE LIMITED THE HEIGHT TO 35 FEET AND THEY HAVE INCLUDED A PLATFORM ADJACENT TO THE RESIDENTIAL. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING THIS CHANGE IN ZONING TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE FUTURE LAND-USE AMENDMENT THAT WAS APPROVED ON DECEMBER 12. SINCE THE DECEMBER MEETING THEY HAVE MADE THE CHANGES AND I BELIEVE THEY ALSO MET WITH COMMISSIONER CONDON. THEY HAVE MADE THE CHANGES THAT I THINK YOU WERE ALL CONCERNED ABOUT AT THE TIME. THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE SAW THE ORIGINAL CONTRACT WITHOUT CHANGES IN THE RECOMMENDED APPROVAL UNANIMOUSLY. THE PLANNING COMMISSION VOTED , 4-2 TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THIS. DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? AND THE APPLICANT AND THE AGENT ARE HERE. >> WHAT ? [01:45:01] >> THE APPLICANT AND THE AGENT ARE HERE IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS. HEARING IF THE APPLICANT HAS ANY COMMENTS. >> JANICE FLEET, FLEET AND ASSOCIATES. WE FIRST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO COMMISSIONER CONDON AND THE COMMISSION. AS YOU CAN SEE, WE MADE REVISIONS AND WE NOTED ON THE SITE PLAN WHAT THE STORAGE IS LIMITED TO. AS WELL AS, I DO WANT TO SAY THAT WE DID ADD A WAREHOUSE TO THE SITE SO, IT'S BASICALLY A CLEANUP SITE. IT WILL BE ENCLOSED STORAGE BUT OTHER THAN THAT, IT IS THERE BUT THE MAIN THING IS WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS RESIDENCE WILL BE MAINTAINED AND THEN WITH THE FENCE THERE CANNOT BE ANY CROSS THROUGH WITH THE FUNDS AND THE UTILITIES AND MAINTAINING THOSE TREES. NO TRUCKS WILL BE ABLE TO COME OFF A PRIMROSE TO ACCESS THE SITE BUT THEY WILL COME IN FROM ALLIGATOR WHICH HAS AN EXISTING ENTRANCE. WERE ALL OF THE EXISTING ENTRANCES EXIST. WE'RE HOPING WITH THAT -- WE'RE HOPING WITH THAT WE CAN GET THE LAND-USE, THE ZONING APPROVE SO WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH CONSTRUCTION OF DEVELOPMENT OF AND DEVELOPMENT OF THIS PROJECT. >> MR. CHAIR. >> JANICE, WILL YOU PLEASE PUT THE SITE PLAN BACKUP? THOSE TWO PARCELS , THOSE ARE HOMES AND DAY HERE YOU ARE GOING TO KEEP THOSE RESIDENTIAL? >> YES. AND IT IS NOTED ON THE SITE PLAN THAT THEY WILL STAY AS HOUSES. WE CANNOT USE THEM FOR STORAGE. THEY HAD TO BE MAINTAINED AS SINGLE-FAMILY HOUSES. >> THAT DOES MAKE ME FEEL BETTER ABOUT THAT. THANK YOU. >> I WENT OUT AND SPENT TIME WITH THE STAFF AND I APPRECIATE THEIR TIME. WE WALKED THE LENGTH OF IT AND THE TREE LINE IS THAT IT AND THEY ARE VERY TALL PINE TREES. THEY ARE PROBABLY MORE THAN 20 FEET TALL SO, YOU COULD NOT SEE FROM THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE , YOU CANNOT SEE WHAT HAS GONE ON BACK THERE. THEY HAVE DONE A RESPECTFUL JOB OF BEING GOOD NEIGHBORS. YOU WILL NOTICE THAT THE GENTLEMAN THAT HAD THE CONCERNS LAST TIME HAS NOT COME BACK THIS EVENING. HE HAS HAD HIS PROPERTY FOR SALE OFF AND ON SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE STORY IS THERE BUT I THINK THEY HAVE DONE A GOOD JOB OF ADDRESSING THAT. I THINK THAT THERE COULD BE AN OPPORTUNITY AT SOME POINT THAT THEY OWN THE WHOLE BLOCK . SOME OF THE RESIDENTS HAVE TALKED ABOUT THAT AND AT THAT POINT THEY COULD REEVALUATE I GUESS. BUT FOR NOW, I THINK THEY HAVE DONE A GOOD JOB OF BEING A GOOD NEIGHBOR. THEY ARE GOING TO BRING MORE JOBS TO THE AREA AND I THINK THAT IS IMPORTANT. ONE THING THAT I LEARNED OUT THERE IS THAT, AND I AM REALLY BAD WITH NAMES SO I DON'T REMEMBER YOUR NAME AND I APOLOGIZE. DAVID. DAVID IS THE CONSTRUCTION MANAGER AND HE GRADUATED FROM MIDDLEBURG HIGH SCHOOL AND WENT TO WORK FOR IMC AND NOW THEY HAVE INTERNS THAT COME OUT FROM MIDDLEBURG HIGH SCHOOL AND WORK FOR IMC. I TRIED TO GET BACK TO THE COMMUNITY AND I THINK THAT IS THE KIND OF BUSINESS THAT WE NEED. I APPRECIATE THAT VERY MUCH. >> THE PUBLIC HEARING IS STILL OPEN. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? >> COMMISSIONER, BEFORE YOU CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. >> OKAY. >> JUST BECAUSE COMMISSIONER CONDON BROUGHT IT UP, RECEIVED AN EMAIL JUST BEFORE THIS MEETING THAT I WAS COPIED ON FROM MICHAEL -- WHO BASICALLY, BECAUSE OF THE STORM THAT IS COMING, HE JUST EXPRESSES HIS OPINION THAT HE FELT LIKE WE SHOULD NOT HAVE HAD THE MEETING. THAT IS PRETTY MUCH THE GIST OF IT. SINCE YOU BROUGHT IT UP, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU ALL REMEMBER -- HE ENDS WITH WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT SHE IS A 300 FOOT DIRECTLY IMPACTED RESIDENT. BUT YOU DID RECEIVE THAT EMAIL. IS NOTED. >> I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. >> I WILL SAY -- FROM HIS [01:50:06] HOME, YOU CANNOT SEE ANY OF THE COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS AT ALL. >> DUE TO THE TREES? >> CORRECT. >> I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. WE CONTINUED THIS FROM LAST MEETING WE HAVE ANALYZED AND INSPECT DID AND, WE HAVE CONSULTED WITH THE APPLICANT SO, I WILL TAKE A MOTION. >> MOVE APPROVAL. >> SECOND. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE THE CHANGE FOR THIS PARCEL. ANY COMMENTS, CONCERNS, OR QUESTIONS? SEEING NONE , ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. >> AYE >> ANY NAYS, SAME SIGN. SEEING [33.  Public Hearing for the purpose of considering the entry into a Purchase and Sale Agreement for the purchase by the County of real property necessary for the Bonded Transportation Program, more particularly described as a portion of Tax Parcel No. 46-05-26-010214-006-00 and a portion of Tax Parcel No. 46-05-26-010214-003-00, and authorization for County Manager to execute all documents necessary to close the acquisition (C. Grimm/E. Dendor)] NONE , THE MOTION PASSES. I DO NUMBER 33 IS PUBLIC HEARING FOR CONSIDERING THE ENTRY AND PURCHASE SALE AGREEMENT FOR PROPERTY FOR THE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION PROGRAM. >> I AM THE PROGRAM ADMINISTRATOR, ED DENDOR. THIS IS A REQUEST FOR A PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE AFOREMENTIONED PORTIONS OF THE TWO PARCELS. THESE PROPERTIES ARE NECESSARY FOR THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE ROADWAY BOND APPROACH PROJECT , B3. >> OKAY. AGAIN, PART OF THE REQUEST IS FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING. >> OKAY. WE WILL OPEN PUBLIC HEARING FOR ANYBODY THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO THIS? SEEING NONE, AM GOING TO CLOSE THAT. SO, A PURCHASE SALE AGREEMENT FOR BOND TRANSPORTATION. >> PROJECT THREE. >> YES. >> TWO PARCELS , ONE PROPERTY OWNER AND THE FIRST PARCEL IS JUST SHORT OF ONE ACRE AND THE SECOND PIECE IS JUST A LITTLE OVER ONE THIRD OF AN ACRE WITH QUITE A FEW IMPACTS TO THE PROPERTY OWNER. THAT WILL INCLUDE PLUMBING. >> A WELL? >> YES. RE-PLUMBING AND RE-PIPING. VARIOUS IMPACTS TO VARIOUS STRUCTURES THAT HE HAS AS WELL. >> I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE PURCHASE AND SALE AGREEMENT AS WELL AS GIVE THE ABILITY TO THE COUNTY MANAGER TO EXECUTE ALL DOCUMENTS NECESSARY. >> SECOND. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE THIS PURCHASE SALE AGREEMENT. ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE , ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. >> AYE >> ANY NAYS, SAME SIGN. SEEING [34.  Discussion of Appointments to the Planning Commission] NONE, THE MOTION PASSES. WE ARE UP TO LETTERS FOR ACTION. WE HAVE APPOINTMENTS TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR MICHAEL BOURRE, PETE DAVIS , WILLIAM GARRISON, AND HOWARD NORTON. THEY ARE ALREADY CURRENTLY ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION. >> THERE ARE NO NEW APPLICANTS. FOR PEOPLE THAT COMPLAIN, WE TAKE APPLICATIONS FOR THESE COMMISSIONS. >> I DID HAVE SOMEBODY ASKED ME ABOUT MAKING APPLICATION AND I TOLD THEM THEY SHOULD TRY FOR THE NEXT TIME CONSIDERING WE WERE NOT HAVE TIME TO THAT THEM AND BECAUSE THESE GENTLEMEN ARE FAMILIAR TO US AND HAVE EXPERIENCE ON THE PLANNING AND ZONING, AND HE AGREED. HE IS ACTUALLY GOING TO TALK TO US ABOUT ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY TO SERVE THE COUNTY. SO THAT IS GOOD. >> I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT EACH OF THESE GENTLEMEN HAVE BEEN ON FOR A WHILE AND I THINK THEY PROVIDE THE CORE FOR THE P&Z AS IT STANDS NOW . WE HAVE TWO INVOLVED IN BUILDING TRADES AND THE TWO THAT ARE ARE PRETTY FAIR IN THEIR REPRESENTATION OF WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE AND ONE WHAT DOES NOT NEED TO BE DONE IN TERMS OF ZONING. I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO NOMINATE AND GIVE THEM ANOTHER TERM ON THE P&Z. >> I SECOND. >> WE CAN DO ALL FOUR ON ONE MOTION? OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR THE [01:55:02] REAPPOINTMENT OF MICHAEL BOURRE, PETE DAVIS, TRENDY TO , AND HOWARD NORTON . ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. [35.  Discussion of Appointment to the Tourist Development Council] >> AYE >> ANY NAYS, SAME SIGN. HEARING ON, THE MOTION PASSES. UP NEXT, WE HAVE A DISCUSSION OF APPOINTMENT TO THE TOURIST DEVELOPMENT COUNCIL OF DEBORAH BEALS. >> I THINK SHE HAS ENJOYED HER TERM AND, YOU COULD PROBABLY SPEAK MORE OF THAT. >> SHE HAS BEEN VERY ENGAGED AND ACTIVE IN TERMS OF SUPPORT OF THE TDC . SHE ATTENDS MEETING AND HAS BEEN A GOOD CONTRIBUTOR. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE HER COME BACK AND SERVE ANOTHER TEAM -- TERM. I WILL LET YOU MAKE THE MOTION. >> I WOULD MOVE APPROVAL BUT I WOULD ADD THAT SHE AND HER HUSBAND, THEIR REALTY OFFICES ACROSS THE STREET FROM CITY HALL IN KEYSTONE HEIGHTS AND THEY HOST THE WELCOME CENTER. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO REAPPOINT DEBORAH [36.  Land Acquisition Request from Operation Lifeline, Inc.] BEALS TO THE TOURIST DEVELOPMENT COUNCIL. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. >> AYE >> ANY NAYS, SAME SIGN. SEEING NONE, THE MOTION PASSES. UP NEXT, THIS IS REGARDING OPERATION LIFELINE INC. >> THIS IS REGARDING THE REQUEST MADE BY OPERATION LIFELINE INC. TO REMOVE THE TWO PARCELS FROM THE SURPLUS LIST AND THEY HAD EXPRESSED INTEREST IN ACQUIRING THEM. THE ITEM BEFORE YOU, THERE ARE LOTS OF DIFFERENT OPTIONS AND I BELIEVE CALEB PUT THOSE IN THE MEMO SO A LOT FOR YOU TO CONSIDER AND PROVIDE GUIDANCE ON. PROPERTY IN GREEN COVE SPRINGS AND WE HAVE SEVERAL OPTIONS. I AM LOOKING. WHAT ARE THE OPTIONS? WE CAN PUT THEM ON HUD DEALS? >> THE NORMAL PROCESS IS FOR OUR PROPERTIES TO GO THROUGH DEALS AND THEN WE PUT THEM ON GOV DEALS AND IS WILL AS IT IS ABOVE THE MINIMUM IT IS EXCEPTED. THE OTHER IS JUST A STRAIGHT SALE FOR AN AMOUNT BECAUSE IT IS A NONPROFIT OR AID DONATION. ALONG WITH THAT THERE ARE OTHER OPTIONS AS WHEN WE DO IT ON GOV DEALS, THE PROPERTY IS SOLD AS IS. THERE IS NO WARRANTIES AND THE COUNTY IS NOT INVOLVED IN DETERMINING IF IT IS PROPER FOR ZONING AND IF WE OWN IT OR NOT . IT IS JUST AS IS. THE OTHER OPTION UNDER LOCAL IS YOU CAN PUT RESTRICTIONS ON IT AS PART OF THE DEED OR FOR IT TO BE USED AS AFFORDABLE HOUSING. LOTS OF OPTIONS. >> WE HAVE THE APPLICANT HERE. WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK? >> I AM ERIC FAX AND I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK ABOUT THIS. WHAT WE WOULD BE REQUESTING, IT IS THAT WE WOULD PUT IT INTO A TRUST WHERE IT WOULD REMAIN AS AFFORDABLE HOUSING FOR AT LEAST THE NEXT 99 YEARS. IT IS SOMETHING THAT IS BEING PUSHED RIGHT NOW BY FLORIDA STATE. THEY ARE DOING THIS WHOLE IDEA OF COMMUNITY LAND TRUST WHERE WE CAN ASSURE LONG TIME. IT'S NOT IT JUST GOES TO A PERSON AND FALLS OFF THE RADAR. IT REMAINS AFFORDABLE AND DEFINITELY. OUR REQUEST IS THAT SINCE WE ARE NOT MAKING ANY MONEY OFF OF THIS, WE WILL USE THE SHIFT PROGRAM . IT WOULD BE DONATED AND THAT IS SOMETHING WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO TO DONATE IT AND PUT IT INTO THE NONPROFIT. WE WILL RETAIN IT WITHIN THE NONPROFITS OF THE INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE GOING INTO THEIR, UNDER LIVE LOCAL, THEY DO NOT HAVE TO PAY PROPERTY TAXES. THAT KEEPS THESE TRULY AFFORDABLE. WE ARE LOOKING AT THIS PROGRAM, ONLY USING IT FOR THE VERY LOW CATEGORY. WE HAVE OTHER PROGRAMS WERE WE CAN MAKE AFFORDABLE HOUSING FOR SOMEONE THAT CAN PAY A MORTGAGE. WHEN WE DO THESE, OUR PLAN IS THAT [02:00:05] THE ONLY AMOUNT THAT WOULD EVER PAY ON THESE PROPERTIES IS $75,000 OVER 30 YEARS. NO INTEREST AND NO PROPERTY TAX. IT WILL JUST BE WE GET TO KEEP IT AS AFFORDABLE. THEY GET TO BUILD EQUITY IN IT THAT THEY DON'T GET TO HAVE A BIG CASH OUT PAYDAY . WHEN THEY DO SELL IT IT HAS TO GO TO ANOTHER FAMILY OR INDIVIDUAL WHO MEETS AFFORDABILITY REQUIREMENTS. OF COURSE, IF THE BOARD DOES IT DECIDE WE WOULD BE ABLE TO PAY BECAUSE WE THINK THIS IS AN IMPORTANT PROGRAM. >> JUST A QUICK QUESTION. I AM NOT FAMILIAR WITH EXACTLY WHAT -- HOW DO YOU CONTROL -- IF YOU ARE PROVIDING IT TO THEM FOR A CERTAIN PERIOD OF YEARS UNTIL THEY SELL IT, ARE YOU ACTUALLY DEEDING THE PROPERTY TO THEM? >> WE ARE NOT. AT THE WAY THE COMMUNITY LAND TRUST AGREEMENT WORKS IN FLORIDA, AND THEY ARE PUSHING THESE AT THE ALPHA CONFERENCES AND HOUSING FINANCE AUTHORITIES, THE TRUST KEEPS THE PROPERTY BUT, YOUR TRANSFER -- YOU KEEP THE HOUSE. SO, THE INDIVIDUAL WOULD OWN THE HOUSE AND THEY CAN BUILD EQUITY IN THE HOUSE BUT THEY CAN ONLY SELL IT FOR AN AMOUNT THAT IS PREDETERMINED BY THE AGREEMENT THAT WE SIGN AT CLOSING. THEY HAVE TEMPLATES THAT THE STATE HAS A READY PUT OUT FOR THIS PROGRAM. >> IS TERESA SUMNER WITH THE SHIP PROGRAM FAMILIAR WITH THIS? >> SHE IS. THESE WOULD BE THE FIRST PROPERTIES WE WOULD TRY IN THIS PROGRAM. IT DOES COMPLICATE THINGS AS FAR AS IT GOES LONG-TERM BECAUSE IT WILL NOT BE AN EASY SALE IN THE FUTURE WE WILL MAKE SURE LONG-TERM, 99 YEARS, IT REMAINS AFFORDABLE. >> BUT, THE COUNTY CAN DONATE OR SELL IT TO YOU. THE NONPROFIT WOULD BE THE LANDHOLDER AND IT COULD HAVE A REVERTER IN THEIR THAT IF THE NONPROFIT WERE EVER TO SELL THE LAND OR NOT USE IT FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING, IT WOULD REVERT BACK TO THE COUNTY? >> ABSOLUTELY. >> AND THAT DOES NOT AFFECT YOUR TRUST FOR THE USE OF THE BUILDING? >> NO. >> SO THE TRUST WOULD OWN THE PROPERTY? >> THE TRUST WOULD OWN THE PROPERTY. BASICALLY, THE NONPROFIT TRUST WOULD RETAIN THE LAND ITSELF. THE HOUSE PAYS AND THEY ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR MAINTENANCE AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT. THEY MAKE SURE THERE IS INSURANCE ON IT. IT IS THEIR HOUSE IN ALL RIGHTS EXCEPT THE LAND UNDERNEATH REMAINS WITH THE TRUST. >> IT SOUNDS SIMILAR TO PEOPLE -- I KNOW THIS IS VERY POPULAR OUT WEST IN COLORADO WHERE THEY HAVE SOLD -- WHERE PEOPLE HAVE BOUGHT PARCELS IN THE NATIONAL FOREST AND THEN THEY CAN CONVEY THE HOME BUT THEY CAN NEVER CHANGE THE ZONING AND LAND-USE. BECAUSE, THEY DON'T ACTUALLY OWN THE LAND IT SITS ON. >> EXACTLY. YES. >> I DO BELIEVE, DOESN'T THE HOMEOWNER HAVE TO PAY THE LAND TRUST TO MAKE THAT OFFICIAL? WHETHER IT IS ONE DOLLAR FOR 99 YEARS? >> YES. THIS IS NOT A MONEYMAKER. THE FEES WILL BE THE ADMINISTRATION OF MAINTAINING IT. >> ERIC, CAN YOU SPEAK MORE TO THE EQUITY BUILDING THAT YOU WERE REFERRING TO? >> YES. BASICALLY, THE FORMULA THAT THE STATE BUILT FOR THIS IS THAT THEY CAN EARN 25% OF THE VALUE. THAT MEANS, WE SELL A HOUSE FOR $300,000 AND IT GOES UP ANOTHER $100,000. I'M NOT GOING TO DO THE MATH ON CAMERA AND EVERYTHING BUT, THEY CAN KEEP 25% OF THAT $100,000. THEY CAN BUILD EQUITY IN THAT. THIS IS ONE OF THE PROGRAMS WHERE, THIS WILL NOT BE A BIG PROGRAM BECAUSE, THIS IS GOING TO BE -- THE PEOPLE THAT QUALIFY FOR THIS WILL BE A SMALL GROUP AND MOST PEOPLE WE WANT TO GET IN A HOUSE WHERE THEY OWN EVERYTHING. THE HOUSE, THE LAND, THEY CAN DO GENERATIONAL WEALTH AND PASS IT ON TO THEIR KIDS. THIS IS FOR THAT SPECIFIC SITUATION WHERE SOMEBODY HAS VERY LIMITED INCOME AND THEY ARE IN A BAD SITUATION. WE CAN GET THEM INTO A QUALITY AFFORDABLE HOUSE [02:05:01] AND WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT IT REMAINS LONG-TERM AND IS NOT SOMETHING THAT SOMEBODY WILL JUST CASH IN ON. OUR BOARD IS VERY INTERESTED IN MAKING SURE THAT --. YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO BUILD EQUITY BUT WE DON'T WANT SOMEBODY SELLING IT IN SIX MONTHS FOR A $100,000 PROFIT. IF THAT MAKES SENSE. >> ARE YOU, AS THE TRUSTEE, PROPERTY OWNER , IF THE OCCUPANT WANTS TO PUT A SHED UP, THERE IS A PERMANENT REQUIRED FOR A SHED IN CLAY COUNTY SO THE PROPERTY OWNER WOULD HAVE TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY KIND OF BUILDING PERMIT OR PORCH OR WHATEVER. WHATEVER MODIFICATION THE PROPERTY IS DESIRED. THE PROPERTY OWNER WOULD HAVE TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT. >> IT IS BUILT IN . THEY HAVE BEEN DOING THIS QUITE A WHILE IN FLORIDA. THEY HAVE WORKED OUT THE BUGS AND THEY HAVE A TEMPLATE AND THEY SAY THIS IS WHAT WE RECOMMEND YOU USE. THIS IS THE FORMULA THAT THEY ARE USING AND WE WILL GO AHEAD AND TAKE IT AND PUT OUR NAME ON IT. AND THEN WE WILL PASS IT THROUGH OUR LAWYERS AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT. IT IS TRIED-AND-TRUE AND WE LOVE THE CONCEPT. >> SO, WE HAVE SOME OPTIONS. WE CAN , I THINK WE CAN GO THROUGH GOV DEALS AND PUT IT UP FOR BID , WE CAN OFFER IT FOR SALE. >> THE ONE RECOMMENDATION THAT I WOULD MAKE, FROM OUR EXPERIENCE, A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT ARE BIDDING ON THOSE KINDS OF DEALS SITES ARE OUT-OF-STATE INVESTORS. THEY ARE LOOKING AT THESE PROPERTIES AND THAT IS WHAT OUR ORGANIZATION IS TRYING TO DO. WE WANT TO KEEP IT AFFORDABLE AND ON GOV DEALS, IT WILL JUST GO TO THE HIGHEST BIDDER. LONG-TERM YOU ARE LOSING AFFORDABLE HOUSING. >> I WILL MOVE TO DONATE THESE TWO PARCELS TO OPERATION LIFELINE INC. FOR THE PURPOSE OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING. >> SECOND. >> WITH THE STIPULATION IT REMAIN IN TRUST FOR 99 YEARS. >> AND THE REVERTED TO THE COUNTY ATTORNEY REFERRED TO. >> SO, JUST TO BE CLEAR, I DO NOT KNOW THAT WE NEED TO HAVE THE ISSUE THAT IT REMAIN IN TRUST FOR 99 YEARS. WHEN YOU DEED IT, IT NEEDS TO BE KEPT BY THE NONPROFIT AND IF IT IS NOT GOING TO BE OPERATION LIFELINE INC., IT WILL BE KEPT BY THE TRUST AND WILL BE USED FO AFFORDABLE HOUSING OR IF THEY WISH TO SELL IT IT COMES BACK. >> I WOULD STILL WANTED TO BE AS HIS. CLOSING COSTS? >> ALL COST. >> ALL TRANSFER COST. THE RECORDING DEED AND EVERYTHING. >> THAT IS THE MOTION. >> YES. WHAT SHE SAID. >> I SECOND WHAT SHE SAID. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, CONCERNS? >> MR. CHAIRMAN, IF I COULD . IF I COULD BE THE ONE THAT SOUNDS HARDHEARTED ON THE BOARD. I LIKE ERIC AND I LIKE THE PROGRAM BUT WE HAVE ALREADY COMMITTED OURSELVES TO GO A PARTICULAR WAY TO GET THESE PROPERTIES BACK IN THE HOMES OF PRIVATE CITIZENS. IT SEEMS A LITTLE UNFAIR THAT NOW WE DECIDE WE ARE GOING TO CHANGE THE PROCESS AND NOT LET OTHER ORGANIZATIONS IN THE SAME FIELD NOT HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO COME IN AND TELL US. WE DO THAT WITH EVERYTHING ELSE IN TERMS OF PUTTING THINGS UP FOR BID OR SOME KIND OF A VETTING SITUATION WHERE IT GIVES ALL OF THESE ORGANIZATIONS EQUAL OPPORTUNITY. THAT IS WHY WE CHOSE GOV DEALS, BECAUSE EVERYBODY CAN BID. WE CREATE TWO PROPERTIES THAT ARE GOOD FOR TWO FAMILIES AND WE WILL BE GETTING SOME EXPENSES BACK BUT WE DON'T GET ANY TAXES. AND WE DON'T GET ANY MONEY FOR THE PROPERTY ITSELF. I THINK THAT HAS TO BE LOOKED AT VERY CAREFULLY BECAUSE WE ARE SETTING A PRECEDENT AS TO WHAT WE ARE DOING DONATING. WHO [02:10:05] KNOWS WHO WILL COME IN NEXT AND THEN IT WILL BE A FREE-FOR-ALL BECAUSE YOU WILL HAVE MULTIPLE ORGANIZATIONS COMING IN ASKING FOR PROPERTIES TO BE DONATED TO THEM. I SALUTE YOUR EFFORTS IN TERMS OF PUTTING TOGETHER AFFORDABLE HOUSING. I THINK THAT IS IMPORTANT BUT I ALSO THINK IT IS IMPORTANT FOR IT THE COUNTY TO HAVE A REPUTATION OF BEING FAIR IN TERMS OF HOW THEY ARE DISBURSING PROPERTIES. WE VOTED ON THE PROCESS. WE WOULD HAVE TO VOTE TO UNDO IT BEFORE WE ACTUALLY GIVE THE PROPERTIES. >> I AM CONFUSED AS TO WHAT YOU ARE REFERRING TO. I THOUGHT THESE WERE ON THE LIVE LOCAL SURPLUS DEAL . WE JUST VOTED TO PUT THOSE ON THE LIST AND THEN WE TALKED ABOUT THAT WHEN SOMEONE APPROACHED US ABOUT ANY OF THOSE PROPERTIES, THEN WE WOULD DECIDE HOW TO DISPOSE OF THEM. THAT IS WHAT I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION OF. >> THERE ARE PROPERTIES THAT WERE NOT INCLUDED ON THEIR. I THINK YOU REMOVED IT TWO OR THREE OTHER ONES ALREADY THAT WERE ALREADY SOLD THROUGH GOVDEALS. >> WHEN WE TOOK OFF WAS BEING CONTESTED BECAUSE SOMEBODY SAID THEY HAD THE DEED . >> I ACTUALLY HAVE THE DEED FOR ONE OF THEM RIGHT HERE BUT, THEY WERE NOT SOLD THROUGH GOVDEALS BECAUSE THEY WERE ON THE LIST. >> THE PROCESS, ANY PROPERTY THAT WE RECEIVE GOES THROUGH GOVDEALS AND SO, THEY JUST HAPPEN TO BE IN A CYCLE. I GUESS THAT IS WHERE I THINK IT IS DIFFERENT. SO I MAKE THE MOTION THAT WE TREAT THESE DIFFERENTLY BECAUSE THEY ARE ON THAT LIST THAT WE PUT IT ON IN OCTOBER. WHERE I THINK IT IS DIFFERENT, IF A BUILDER CALMS AND WANTS TO PURCHASE ONE OF THOSE PROPERTIES BUT DOES NOT WANT TO DO AFFORDABLE HOUSING, IT IS DIFFERENT OR IF THEY ARE NOT A NONPROFIT. >> WITH THE PROPERTIES THAT WE PUT ON THAT LIST, THEY NEEDED TO BE QUALIFIED FOR LIVE LOCAL SO WE WERE ABIDING BY WHATEVER STIPULATION THAT LIVE LOCAL HAD . >> YES. BUT EVERYTHING OF THE COUNTY OWNS IS NOT ON THAT SHEET. >> I UNDERSTAND THAT. >> BUT, ANY SURPLUS PROPERTY THAT THE COUNTY DOES NOT USE, THAT YOU DETERMINE, WOULD NOT BE GOOD FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING. SOMETHING THAT COULD MAKE THIS EASIER WITH REGARD TO THE LIVE LOCAL LIST? THE COUNTY HAS ALREADY DESIGNATED TWO HOUSING PROVIDERS AS THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING NONPROFIT . THAT IS OPERATION LIFELINE AND HABITAT FOR HUMANITY. SO THIS IS GIVING FIRST RIGHT OF REFUSAL BEFORE PUSHING THEM TO NON-AFFORDABLE BUILDERS. >> I DON'T CARRY A CANDLE FOR GOVDEALS BUT I THINK THE PROCESS HAS TO BE FAIR . I THINK, IN THIS CASE, IT IS ALMOST LIKE , FIRST-COME, FIRST-SERVED IN TERMS OF MAKING AND AN OPPORTUNITY FOR WHOEVER MIGHT BE INTERESTED IN IT. THAT IS JUST MY COMFORT LEVEL. I CERTAINLY DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM IN TERMS OF WHAT THEY ARE TRYING TO DO IN TERMS OF CREATING AFFORDABLE HOUSING. AT THE SAME TIME, THIS IS A DIFFERENT KIND OF RECYCLING PICKUP BECAUSE OF DOLLARS AND CENTS AND WE ARE DONATING PROPERTIES AND NOT GETTING ANYTHING BACK AND NOT GETTING ANYTHING OUT OF THE PROGRAM FOR THE TIME THAT PEOPLE LIVE THERE. >> THAT IS A GOOD POINT. >> IS THERE A WAY TO INCORPORATE? I AGREE THAT THE PROCESS OUGHT TO BE FAIR BUT, WE HAVE THESE ORGANIZATIONS IN THE COMMUNITY THAT WOULD -- BUT , WHY NOT A HYBRID WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY WHAT WE ARE LOOKING TO DO HERE. IF THIS DOES NOT WORK OUT THAN THOSE THAT ARE NOT AFFORDABLE HOUSING ENTITIES, WE HAVE NOT ATTEMPTED TO BE FAITHFUL TO [02:15:05] OUR OWN PROCESS IS ESSENTIALLY WHAT I AM HEARING AS SAY. I LIKE THE HYBRID OPTION BEST. I AM NOT HOLDING A CANDLE FOR THAT PROCESS EITHER. CONCERNING SELLING IT TO THE GOVERNMENT OR THROUGH THE GOVERNMENT PROCESS. >> YOU MEAN THROUGH GOVDEALS? >> YES. THROUGH GOVDEALS. >> GOVDEALS, YOU LOSE ALL CONTROL AS TO WHERE THE PROPERTY ENDS UP AND IF WE HAVE A COMMITMENT TO DEVELOPING AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN CLAY COUNTY TO SOME DEGREE, THIS MIGHT BE AN AVENUE AND THE RECOMMENDATION TO MAYBE OFFER TO THE TWO AUTHORIZED PROVIDERS OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN CLAY COUNTY MIGHT BE THE ROUTE TO GO TO SATISFY -- TO GET OUT OF THE FIRST-COME, FIRST-SERVED MODE. THAT MIGHT BE A BETTER OPTION. >> THERE ARE JUST TWO PROVIDERS AT THIS POINT. MAYBE WE WORK A DEAL WHERE IT IS A ROTATION TYPE THING. SOMETHING COMES UP AVAILABLE AND IT IS THE OPPORTUNITY FOR ERIC TO SAY YES OR NO FIRST AND IF HE DOES NOT WANT THE PROPERTY, WE GO TO HABITAT. I DID NOT REALIZE THAT THERE WAS ONLY TWO THAT WERE QUALIFIED IN THAT DIRECTION. I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH EITHER ORGANIZATION BUT I AM WORRIED ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS IF SOMEBODY WANTS IN . WE DON'T WANT TO SOMEHOW DISCRIMINATE BY NIGHT NOT BEING FAIR IN TERMS OF HAVING THOSE AVAILABLE. >> WE HAD A PROCESS TO SELECT AFFORDABLE HOUSING TO PROVIDERS. HABITAT AND LIFELINE CAME OUT AS THE TWO THAT THE PROCESS RECOMMENDED. ANYWAY, -- >> IS THERE ANY SENSE OF URGENCY? DO YOU HAVE A GRANT . YOU SAID YOU ARE GOING TO USE THE VERY SPECIFIC S.H.I.P. PROGRAM FOR THAT . IS THERE ANY REASON WE COULD NOT TABLE YOUR ITEM TONIGHT AND, I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE THROUGH COMMUNITY AND SOCIAL SERVICES ORGANIZATON PUT IT OUT THERE? IF YOU ARE A NONPROFIT INTERESTED IN DOING VERY SPECIFIC AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN CLAY COUNTY, THEN, MAYBE THROUGH PURCHASING OR WHOEVER, THEY CAN VET THEM. IT IS JUST A THOUGHT. >> I THINK, THROUGH THE S.H.I.P. PROGRAM, WE ALREADY -- >> WE HAD AN EXTENSIVE RFQ WE WENT THROUGH TO GET THESE APPROVED FOR THE S.H.I.P. AFFORDABLE HOUSING SO THESE WOULD BE THE FIRST TWO WE GET TO USE. >> ARE THESE THE LOCATIONS WHERE YOU SAY YOU ARE BUILDING ON EITHER SIDE? >> WE HAVE DEVELOPMENT IN THE AREA AND THIS IS BASICALLY ALL WITHIN THIS ONE-MILE RADIUS. AS A MENTIONED, WE WILL BE ABLE TO ECONOMIZE. WE USE MILITARY VETERANS AND TO ORGANIZATIONS AND THAT IS WHY WE ZEROED IN ON THESE LOCATIONS BECAUSE, THEY ARE PERFECT MATCH. >> SO, DO YOU WANT TO COME UP WITH AN ESTIMATED PROPERTY? I GUESS CALEB HAS ARNIE DONE THAT BUT, IF YOU ARE WILLING TO COME UP WITH SOME SORT OF DOLLAR AMOUNT, AT LEAST THE TAXPAYER GET SOMETHING BECAUSE THEY WON'T GET ANYTHING AFTER WE CREATE THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING. BUT, I DON'T THINK IT SHOULD BE ZERO. >> I AM AT A BIT OF A DISADVANTAGE BECAUSE MY COMPUTER CRASHED AT THE START OF THE MEETING. I DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO THAT. I DID READ IT IN THE BACKUP. DO YOU HAVE A THOUGHT OF HOW MUCH? I WOULD BE WILLING TO MODIFY MY MOTION. >> SO THEY ARE ABOUT 28,000? >> ONE WAS 8000 THE OTHER WAS 14,000. >> ONE WAS LISTED AS $8000 AND THE OTHER IS LISTED AT $20,000. THIS WOULD YIELD I THINK -- IT WOULD BE OVERSTATING THE VALUE CONSIDERING WHERE THEY ARE. IF WE PUT THEM ON GOVDEALS THEY WOULD NEVER GO [02:20:05] FOR THAT AMOUNT BUT THE PROPERTY AT WALL STREET IS VALUED AT 18-22 AND ON ROBERTS AVENUE IT IS 14-17. >> IT SAYS IF THE PROPERTIES WERE LISTED ON GOVDEALS, THE MINIMUM BID WOULD BE FIXED AS LOWER THAN THE PROPERTY APPRAISAL. >> YES. WE HAVE EARLY KNOW THAT THROUGH PREVIOUS AUCTIONS THAT WE DON'T GET --. FOR THE MOST PART, MOST OF THE TIME, IT IS PRETTY CLOSE TO THE MINIMUM THAT WE SELL THEM FOR UNLESS THEY ARE A REALLY VALUABLE PROPERTY. >> THE MINIMUM IS, IS IT 50% OF THE LAND VALUE? SO, 50% OF THE LAND VALUE WOULD BE $4000 AND $10,000 RESPECT OF LATE. >> ERICA, IS THERE SOMETHING ON THOSE PROPERTIES NOW? >> NO. >> VACANT LOT. SO THIS IS THE LAND VALUE. >> YES. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO DONATE THE PROPERTY TO OPERATIONLIFELINE INC.. >> DO YOU WANT ME TO AMEND ? >> THAT IS UP TO YOU. >> IF WE AMEND IT TO THE 14,000, IS THERE A WAY THAT YOU COULD OFFSET THAT WITH YOUR S.H.I.P. FUNDING? I KNOW THAT THERE ARE OTHER FUNDING MECHANISMS AND THAT WOULD ALLEVIATE THE POTENTIAL OF SOMEBODY COMING BACK AND SAYING, HE SOLD THE SUN GOVDEALS YOU WOULD GET -- >> I THINK THAT IS A PERFECT WAY TO LOOK AT THAT. >> I WOULD AMEND THE MOTION TO SAY THAT. >> THE MOTION IS TO AMEND TO SELL AT -- >> THE MINIMUM OF WHAT WE WOULD HAVE SOLD IT FOR ON GOVDEALS AND THAT IS 50% OF THE APPRAISED VALUE. WHICH WOULD BE $14,000 TOTAL. ONE WAS $8000 AND ONE WAS $20,000. >> THAT IS A MOTION AND WE HAVE A SECOND. SO, THE MOTION IS AMENDED TO SELL THE PROPERTY TO OPERATION LIFELINE INC. FOR $14,000? BOTH PROPERTIES FOR $14,000? 14,000, HOW MUCH? >> 56. >> IF I COULD JUST GET AN UNDERSTANDING FROM THE BOARD THAT NEXT TIME WE GET PROPERTIES, THE HABITAT FOLKS WOULD BE THE FIRST ONES THAT WE CALL TO SEE IF THEY ARE INTERESTED. >> THERE ARE STILL PROPERTIES ON THAT LIST. AREN'T THERE? >> YES. >> AND WE RECEIVE A LOT. IT WILL STILL INCLUDE THE REVERTER AND THE AS IS? >> NONE OF THAT HAS CHANGED. >> SO, ALL OF THE OTHER CONDITIONS APPLY. ANY OTHER COMMENTS, CONCERNS, OR QUESTIONS? ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. >> AYE >> ANY NAYS, SAME SIGN. THE MOTION PASSES. UP NEXT IS A [37.  Letter of Support for Operation Lifeline Inc.'s Proposed Partnership with USDA] LETTER OF SUPPORT FOR OPERATION LIFELINE INC.. DO YOU WANT TO DESCRIBE THAT ? >> THIS IS A FANTASTIC PROGRAM THAT WE ARE LOOKING TO BRING TO NORTHEAST FLORIDA THAT DOES NOT EXIST HERE. THERE ARE ONLY TWO OTHERS IN THE STATE THAT DO THIS. IT IS A USDA SPONSORED PROGRAM THAT IS CALLED MUTUAL SELF-HELP SUPPORT. IT IS BASICALLY, WE HAVE A PARCEL RIGHT NOW THAT WE ARE SUBDIVIDING INTO SIX SEPARATE LOTS AND WE CAN BUILD SIX HOMES AT ABOUT 1200 SQUARE FOOT EACH AND WE PLAN ON USING THIS PROGRAM TO HELP FUND IT. WHAT IT WILL MEAN FOR THESE FOLKS, THEY HAVE TO MEET THE USDA REQUIREMENTS. IT IS FANTASTIC . THE MINIMUM INCOME IS SOMEWHERE AROUND $35,000 AND THE MAXIMUM IS $70,000. WE WILL HELP THEM BUILD THEIR OWN HOMES. THEY GET TO CUT OUT THE MIDDLEMAN. OR A LOT OF THE MIDDLEMAN SO THEY ARE ONLY CAUGHT PAYING FOR THE COST TO BUILD THE HOUSE. OUR FEES ARE PAID THROUGH THE USDA TO SUPPORT THE OVERHEAD TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN. IT DOES [02:25:03] NOT COST THE HOMEBUILDERS A DIME AND AS OPPOSED TO THE OTHER PROGRAM I WAS TALKING ABOUT, THEY OWN EVERYTHING. ONE OF MY FAVORITE PARTS OF THIS IS NOBODY GETS A KEY TO THE HOUSE UNTIL EVERYBODY GETS THE KEY. THIS IS A BIG CEREMONY AND WE MAKE A BIG DEAL OUT OF IT. WE HAVE SIX INDIVIDUALS AND FAMILIES MOVING INTO BRAND-NEW HOMES THAT THEY HELPED BUILD. IN A SENSE, SIMILAR TO HABITAT FOR HUMANITY. THE FINANCING IS FANTASTIC. THE LOAN RATES ARE FIVE .125 % . BUT, AS I SAID, GENERATIONAL WEALTH IS SOMETHING THEY CAN PASS ON TO THEIR KIDS. IF THE SITUATION CHANGES THEY CAN SELL THE HOUSE. WHAT WE ARE REQUESTING FROM THE COMMISSIONERS IS A LETTER OF SUPPORT AND THERE IS NO COMMITMENT ON YOUR BEHALF. THIS IS NOT LOCKING YOU INTO ANYTHING. IT IS JUST SOMETHING THE USDA IS DOING TO MAKE SURE THAT THE COMMUNITIES WE ARE COMING INTO WITH THIS PROGRAM WANT THIS. WE HAVE HAD FANTASTIC SUPPORT FROM ALL OF YOU AND THE COUNTY AT LARGE. WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT ARE LIVING IN THESE COMMUNITIES THAT ARE OVERPAYING FOR RENT AND I WANT TO PUT THEM INTO HOUSES THAT THEY OWN THAT THEY ARE PAYING BLESSED -- LESS THAN THEY WERE RENTING. >> WHAT SIZE ARE THESE? >> THESE ARE 1200 SQUARE FEET EACH. AND THAT IS JUST FOR THE FIRST SIX AND AFTER THIS WE WILL KEEP DOING COHORTS OR GROUPS OR FAMILIES TO BUILD HOUSES. WE HAVE ALREADY LOOKED AT KEYSTONE HEIGHTS AND I THINK THERE IS A LOT OF OPPORTUNITY THERE. ONE OF THE GREAT THINGS THERE IS WE DON'T NEED VOLUNTEERS. IT IS THE FAMILIES DOING THIS. WE HAVE MILITARY INTERNS THAT ARE TRAINED IN CONSTRUCTION THAT CAN GET OUT THERE AND DO THAT WORK. WE WILL ALSO BE ABLE TO RELY ON THINGS LIKE CHURCH GROUPS AND SCOUTING GROUPS. WE HAVE A CANDIDATE THAT IS A FIREFIGHTER AND IT WOULD BE FANTASTIC TO HAVE THEM COME OUT AND HELP BUILD THESE HOUSES. >> WHO DID A CONTACT ? >> THEY CONTACT ME AT OUR WEBSITE . OPLIFELINE.ORG. WE ARE CLOSE TO HAVING A FULL APPLICATION COMPLETE AND WHEN WE HAVE THAT WE ARE ABOUT ONE MONTH FROM GROUNDBREAKING. OUR GOAL IS GROUNDBREAKING IN APRIL AND I EXPECT WE WILL HAVE THE APPLICATION DONE BY THE END OF THE MONTH. IT IS A MATTER OF PUTTING EVERYTHING TOGETHER. ONE OF THE ONLY HOLDUPS WE ANTICIPATE IS THAT THIS IS A FEDERAL PROGRAM AND WE DON'T HAVE A FEDERAL BUDGET YET. THERE ARE RESOLUTIONS THAT COULD IMPACT IS SO BY APRIL, I THINK WE COULD HAVE THIS ALL RESOLVED. >> SO, THE LETTER IS IN YOUR PACKET THERE. ANY CONCERNS, COMMENTS? >> MOVE APPROVAL. >> SECOND. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE THIS LETTER OF SUPPORT FOR OPERATION LIFELINE INC. TO THE USDA. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. >> AYE >> ANY NAYS, SAME SIGN. THE MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY . ERIC, I COMMEND YOU. >> I WILL SAY IT ON THE RECORD, YOU ARE ALL FANTASTIC. I APPRECIATE ALL YOU ARE DOING TO HELP PEOPLE. IT IS NOT JUST TALK. YOU ARE ACTUALLY PUTTING THINGS INTO MOTION THAT WILL HELP PEOPLE. YOU WILL [38.  Bid Opening Tabulations (K. Smith)] ABSOLUTELY BE INVITED TO THE RIBBON CUTTINGS BECAUSE WE LOVE TO SEE YOU THERE. >> EXCELLENT. ITEM NUMBER 38, LETTERS OF DOCUMENTATION. WE HAVE BID OPENING TABULATIONS. GENERAL ENGINEERING. IS ANYBODY NEED TO SPEAK TO THE QUARKS ALL RIGHT . WE ARE IN THE SECOND PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD. THIS IS THE SECOND ONE FOR THE EVENING AND WE HAVE NO CARDS. SEEING NO ONE HEADED TO THE PODIUM WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC [02:30:02] COMMENT PERIOD. COMMISSION AUDITOR. NOTHING? A RIGHT. [COUNTY ATTORNEY] COUNTY ATTORNEY ? >> THE ONLY THING IS WE DID A LITTLE RECAP OF THE CASES AND ACTIONS CURRENTLY PENDING AGAINST THE COUNTY SO, YOU SHOULD'VE RECEIVED THAT. IF [COUNTY MANAGER] YOU WANT ANY COPIES OF THE DOCUMENTS RELATED TO THE MATTER, JUST LET ME KNOW. >> OKAY. >> COUNTY MANAGER? >> CHAIRMAN AND COMMISSIONERS, GOOD EVENING. THIS IS THE ONLY COPY OF THE STRATEGIC PLAN RIGHT NOW. I JUST WANT TO COMMEND EVERYBODY THAT HAS BEEN INVOLVED IN THIS. THIS IS A FANTASTIC DOCUMENT THAT WILL BE LEAVING AND WE WILL HAVE THEM IN TIME FOR CLAY DAY NEXT WEEK . UP NEXT, I KNOW EVERYBODY IS INTERESTED IN THE STORM THAT PASSED. AT THE TIME THERE WERE 8000 HOMES WITHOUT POWER AND NOW THERE ARE 306 SO, A TESTAMENT TO CLAY ELECTRIC . AN INCH AND A HALF OF RAIN RECEIVED AND WE RECEIVED ANOTHER HALF AN INCH OVER THE EVENING HOURS. STILL BE CAREFUL OUT THERE. WE STILL HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF HIGH WINDS TO BEAR. NO MAJOR DAMAGE TO REPORT SO WE FARED WELL. HATS OFF TO THE TEAM. OBVIOUSLY, EEOC WAS THERE. WE WERE OUT THERE ALONG WITH THE RAPID ACTION TEAMS WITH PUBLIC WORKS. THEY HAVE BEEN OUT THERE TAKING CARE OF A FEW MINOR THINGS AND THEN WORKING HAND-IN-HAND WITH PUBLIC SAFETY. WE JUST WANT TO COMMEND THEM AS WE WORK THROUGH THE STORM AND WE ARE LOOKING FORWARD TO TOMORROW. AND, SCHOOL WILL BE OPEN TOMORROW. THAT IS NOT OFFICIAL . I AM NOT PART OF THE SCHOOL [COMMISSIONERS' COMMENTS] BOARD BUT THAT IS THE LATEST I AM HEARING. THAT IS ALL I HAVE. >> WHO WISHES TO START FIRST COMMISSIONERS? >> I CAN. WE ARE NOT THE SCHOOL DISTRICT BUT IT JUST SO HAPPENS THAT I TALKED WITH THE COUNTY MANAGER AND THE EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT DIRECTOR AND A FEW WEEKS AGO OR MAYBE A MONTH AGO, THEY MADE AN OVERARCHING DECISION AGAINST THE COUNTY RECOMMENDATION TO NOT PROVIDE BUS SERVICE ON ROADS. IT HAPPENED ON THE SUNDAY NIGHT AND THEY SAID, WE ARE NOT RUNNING ANY BUSES ON UNPAVED ROADS AND AS YOU WELL KNOW, FROM THE DIRT ROAD STUDY, 74 % OF THOSE ARE IN MY DISTRICT. SO THEN I STARTED HEARING FROM PARENTS. A LOT OF FRUSTRATION WITH THE COUNTY BECAUSE THEY SAID, MAINTAIN THOSE DIRT ROADS AND IF IT IS NOT SAFE FOR A BUS TO DRIVE DOWN AN UNPAVED ROAD, DO I EXPECT I WOULD LOVE TO BE ABLE TO SET UP A NEW YEAR'S RESOLUTION. THEY GIVE US CREDIT FOR BEING A WILLING PARTNER . I WOULD LOVE TO SEE US COME UP WITH A PROGRAM THAT WE CAN ENTER IN THEIR PROGRAM FOR THE AWARD SO I THINK THAT IS SOMETHING EVERYBODY SHOULD KEEP IN MIND. STAFF, MAYBE KEEP THAT IN MIND IF YOU HAVE A PROGRAM YOU ARE WORKING ON. A LITTLE BIT MORE SERIOUS ITEMS. YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TAKEN A LOT OF HEAT OVER THE LAST YEAR OR YEAR AND A HALF OR TWO YEARS IN TERMS OF MINI STORAGE FACILITIES GOING UP ALL OVER THE COUNTY. A WEEK OR SO AGO I WAS IN A DRC MEETING . IT MIGHT'VE BEEN BEFORE THE HOLIDAYS. NOW THAT I LOOK. THERE WAS SOMEBODY THERE THAT WAS INTERESTED IN PUTTING AN STORAGE FACILITY ON COLLEGE DRIVE. I TOLD THEM THAT I WOULD BE A PRETTY STRONG OPPONENT OF THAT. BUT I GOT TO THINKING ABOUT THAT. IT DID NOT SEEM TO BOTHER THEM THAT THEY HAD ANY KIND OF OPPOSITION IN TERMS OF PUTTING A STORAGE FACILITY LIKE THAT ON COLLEGE DRIVE SO, IT GOT ME TO THINKING THAT WE NEED TO DO [02:35:01] SOMETHING TO SAVE OUR COMMERCIAL AND RETAIL SPACES ON THOSE ARTERIAL DRIVE ROADS. WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO IS GET THE BOARD PERMISSION TO WORK WITH THE COUNTY ATTORNEY TO SEE IF WE CAN COME UP WITH A WAY TO MAKE A STORAGE FACILITY A CONDITIONAL USE IN ALL CATEGORIES. RIGHT NOW I THINK IT IS JUST CONDITIONAL USE IN THE AREAS THAT ARE NOT ARTERIAL ROADWAYS BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US MAKE IT A CONDITIONAL USE TO PUT IT UP ON A PARTICULAR ARTERIAL ROADWAY. WE WOULD LIKE TO GET SOME FEEDBACK AND WE WILL TRY TO GET THE DIRECTOR TO LOOK INTO IT AND BRING SOMETHING BACK TO US TO SAY THAT THIS IS WHAT WE NEED TO DO TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN. IF ANYBODY HAS ANY THOUGHTS, I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR THEM AND WE CAN TELL COURTNEY ONE WAY OR THE OTHER IF WE WILL GO WITH THAT OR NOT. >> I GUESS, MY QUESTION IS, WHY? TOO MANY OF THEM? NEXT IN LINE IS CARWASHES AND THEN YOU HAVE GAS STATIONS AND 711S. DOLLAR STORES. I MEAN, IT IS A SLIPPERY SLOPE . >> IS THERE AN APPROACH THAT IS LESS -- ? >> IF WE PUT A CONDITIONAL USE ON IT IT IS NOT THAT WE ARE SAYING NO. IT IS JUST THAT IT HAS TO COME TO THE BOARD AND THE BOARD CAN MAKE A DETERMINATION. IF WE THINK IT IS WORTHWHILE TO SAY YES, THEN WE SAY YES. IF IT IS THE THIRD ONE IN A ROW, AND IT DOES NOT FIT THAT PARTICULAR BLOCKER THAT AREA OF THE COUNTY, IT DOES AWAY WITH THE RETAIL OR COMMERCIAL ASPECT THAT WE CAN AT A TRACK SOMETHING OTHER THAN THE BOX THAT PAYS SOMETHING ON PROPERTY TAX AND IN TERMS OF CREATING JOBS, WE MIGHT WANT TO RECONSIDER THAT. IT IS NOT TELLING ANYBODY YOU CAN'T DO THAT. IT JUST GIVES US ANOTHER LAYER CONTROL AS TO WHETHER IT CAN GO INTO A SPECIFIC LOCATION OR NOT. >> WE DON'T HAVE A DATABASE, DO WE? I MEAN, I AM SAYING, BECAUSE, THEN , YOU DON'T WANT TO GET INTO THIS DISCUSSION OF IT BEING ARBITRARY OR WORSE, REFERENTIAL . SO, IF WE ARE GOING TO MOVE IN THAT DIRECTION OR AT LEAST ENTERTAIN IT, I WOULD THINK WE WOULD WANT A SYSTEM TO TAKE A LOOK BECAUSE, HOW MANY IS TOO MANY? ESPECIALLY IF YOU ARE TALKING RIGHT NOW, YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT STORAGE BUT TO YOUR POINT, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF BUSINESSES THAT WE FEEL HAVE OVERCROWDED THE SPACE. BUT, A SYSTEM FOR SOMETHING MORE COMPREHENSIVE, AND MAYBE I AM MISUNDERSTANDING WHAT YOU ARE SAYING, BUT, CONDITIONAL USE. IS THERE ANYTHING BROADER THAN THAT SO THAT WE ARE TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION EVERYTHING? WE JUST HAD A CONVERSATIONS ABOUT DOLLAR GENERAL . WHAT MARKET STUDY WAS COMPLETED THAT MAKES IT NECESSARY. WE DID NOT GET THAT ANSWER. WE JUST TALKED ABOUT THE PROJECT BEING NEW WILL BE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH TIME TO VET IT . I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THE SLIPPERY SLOPE THAT MIGHT -- THAT MIGHT CREATE . I AM ALL FOR VETTING PROJECTS BUT I JUST DON'T LIKE IT BEING HAPHAZARD OR EVEN JUST, DEPENDING ON WHO COMES, WHETHER WE WANT IT OR NOT. THAT IS WHAT I AM HEARING YOU SAY. IF IT IS A STORAGE UNIT VERSUS A DOLLAR GENERAL VERSUS A CARWASH. IS THAT DIFFERENT? OR IS IT THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT THE COUNTY AS A WHOLE AND SAYING, LISTEN, THIS IS TOO MANY AND HERE ARE THE REASONS WHY. I AM LOOKING FOR A SYSTEM. BUT THE REASON I TARGETED THE MERE THE MINI STORAGE FACILITIES, SOME OF THEM CAN BE AS BIG AS FIVE STORIES. IF THEY OVERBILLED, AND THE UNITS ARE NOT SUCCESSFUL, WHAT [02:40:04] HAPPENS WITH THAT? THEY CAN TURN IT INTO A JAIL OR A SANDWICH SHOP , USUALLY SOMEBODY ELSE CAN COME IN THERE AND USE IT AGAIN. IN THESE CASES, THESE BIG BUILDINGS, WHAT DO WE DO WITH IT? AND THE REASON THAT I PICKED THIS SPECIFIC WAY OF LOOKING AT IT IS BECAUSE WE ALREADY DO THIS IN ZONING. THERE ARE CONDITIONAL USES ON ALMOST EVERY SINGLE CATEGORY THAT WE HAVE . IF YOU ARE LOOKING FOR A WAY TO MAKE A DETERMINATION AS TO WHY WE SAY NO TO THIS ONE AND YES TO THAT ONE, YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE WHOLE ZONING CATALOG. BECAUSE, THAT IS THE WAY WE MAKE OUR DETERMINATIONS. AND THEN IT IS UP TO THE APPLICANT TO SAY, HERE IS WHY I THINK I SHOULD BE ABLE TO BUILD THIS. THIS BOARD HAS DONE THAT IN THE PAST AND WE VOTE ON THE THINGS THAT ARE ON ARTERIAL ROADS JUST BECAUSE WE THOUGHT IT MAKES SENSE. FROM THAT STANDPOINT, I SORT OF WANTED TO STAY WITHIN THE CATEGORIES AND THE WAY THAT WE ALREADY DO THAT, THE PROCESS WE ALREADY HAVE. SO, IT MAKES IT , MINI STORAGE FACILITIES ALREADY HAVE A CONDITIONAL USE ON CERTAIN CATEGORIES THAT ARE NOT ON ARTERIAL ROADWAYS. I AM JUST LOOKING TO EXTEND IT SO IT WILL BE THE SAME PROCESS . BUT THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT ARE COVERED. >> SO, MORE WILL COME UP BECAUSE, AT THOSE INTERSECTIONS, IT WILL COME UP. >> I SUPPORT IT AND WE WERE ABLE TO OPPOSE THAT DOLLAR GENERAL ON STATE ROAD 100 BECAUSE THEY NEEDED TO ZONING AND LOOK LAND-USE CHANGE SO WE COULD OPPOSE IT FROM THE STANDPOINT OF COMPATIBILITY BECAUSE EVERYTHING ELSE AROUND IT WAS --. SO, THERE ARE THREE OTHER DOLLAR GENERAL STORES BUILT IN MY DISTRICT THAT NEVER CAME TO US. SO , I AGREE. I DON'T THINK I WANT TO BE DISCRIMINATORY AGAINST PROPERTY RIGHTS WITHIN ZONING AND LAND-USE. WE USED TO HAVE THE ABILITY FOR CONDITIONAL USE APPROVAL FOR SOLAR FARMS IN A AGRICULTURAL ZONED LANDS. THE ONLY REASON WE LOST THAT ABILITY IS BECAUSE THE STATE LAW CHANGED. THE REASON THAT WAS IMPORTANT IS BECAUSE THERE IS A PIECE OF LAND IN CLAY HILL THAT IS CURRENTLY IN THE MIDDLE OF CLAY HILL THAT FLORIDA POWER AND LIGHT OWNS. WE ASK THEM TO NOT PUT A SOLAR FARM ON THERE BUT THE GUY THAT RUNS THAT PROGRAM OR DID LOOKED AT ME AND LAUGHED AND SAID, WE CAN DO WHAT WE WANT. BUT, IT WILL TOTALLY CHANGE THE QUALITY OF LIFE FOR ALL OF THE NEIGHBORS ON THAT PROPERTY. SO I THINK THAT IS WHAT WE ARE HEARING ON THE MINI STORAGE THING. ONE OF THE CONCERNS I HAVE IS THAT WE HAVE HEARD THEY ARE AT 70% OCCUPANCY RATE SO A LOT OF PEOPLE MUST HAVE STUFF THEY ARE STORING BUT AT SOME POINT, THE MARKET GETS SATURATED AND THEN WHAT HAPPENS? YOU CAN SAY THE SAME THING ABOUT A CARWASH. I THINK IT IS EASIER TO DISMANTLE. LIKE THE SONIC ON 220 THOUGH, IT CLOSED AND THERE IS NOTHING I THERE YET. >> IT IS SOON TO BE A WAFFLE HOUSE. >> OH. OKAY . >> THAT WAS BIG NEWS AT THE DLC . I CAN TELL YOU THAT. >> IS THERE A REQUEST TO ENGAGE LAND-USE , PLANNING, AND ZONING? >> I AM ASKING FOR THE ABILITY, IT WILL TAKE MORE THAN JUST A FEW HOURS TO DO THE RESEARCH . >> AND, IF WE CAN DO IT. I WOULD SUPPORT THAT , PURSUING THAT BUT I AM ONLY ONE. >> I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM LOOKING AT IT. >> WE STILL HAVE TO BRING IT TO THE BOARD. FOR IMPLEMENTATION. [02:45:07] SO, IT IS UNANIMOUS. GO FORWARD AND DO GREAT THINGS. ANYTHING ELSE? >> THE LAST THING, BECAUSE THE STORAGE CAME IN ON COLLEGE DRIVE THAT WE JUST SPENT A LOT OF TIME AND EFFORT INTO PUTTING A PLAN IN PLACE , I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD TO SEE WHAT IT WOULD REQUIRE TO PUT AN OVERLAY IN THAT AREA. BUT IT ALSO THEN PUTS A AS THAT MUCH FURTHER AHEAD IF WE NEED TO DO THAT . WITH HIGHRIDGE OR OAKLEAF . WHEREVER THAT MAY BE BECAUSE, I THINK THAT IS THE WAY WE NEED TO GO EVENTUALLY. >> THE OVERLAY IS ONE STEP UNDER -- SO, IT IS JUST REGULATORY AND THIS IS WHAT WE WANT TO DEVELOP IN THE FUTURE. >> RIGHT. AND THERE IS NO FUNDING INVOLVED. ALSO, AS WAS EXPLAINED, YOU ARE TELLING DEVELOPERS WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE THEIR RATHER THAN WHAT YOU WOULD NOT LIKE TO SEE SO, THAT MAKES IT A BIT MORE OF A POSITIVE MESSAGE. >> MR. CHAIR, MR. CELLA REMINDED ME WHEN HE DID HIS REPORTS, AT OUR DECEMBER TPO MEETING, -- WAS NOMINATED FOR TREASURER OF TPO . THAT WILL START IN FEBRUARY AND THAT MEANS IN THREE YEARS, SHE WILL BE CHAIR OF THE TPO. REPRESENTING CLAY COUNTY. >> GOOD . >> WE WANT TO GET MORE ENGAGED OUTSIDE. SO WE CAN MOVE YOU ALL UP THE LINE. ANYTHING ELSE? >> DOES COURTNEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO LOOK INTO THE OVERLAY? I JUST NEED THE BOARD TO GIVE HER DIRECTION. >> I'M SORRY. I DIDN'T WANT TO LEAVE WITHOUT HAVING AN ANSWER. >> YES . >> YOU? >> YES. >> THANK YOU TO STAFF THAT FOUGHT THE HORRIBLE WINTER STORM THIN TO BE HERE TODAY. AND I GUESS THE WINTER STORMS HAVE BEEN NAMED NOW SINCE HURRICANES HAVE NAMES. >> JUST REAL QUICK , THE COUNTY MANAGER AND I TOOK A TOUR OF CCUA LAST MONDAY I THINK. IF YOU EVER GET A CHANCE TO DO THAT, I HIGHLY RECOMMEND IT. IT IS A HUGE, HUGE OPERATION. WITH EXTREMELY IMPORTANT FUNCTIONALITY IN THE COUNTY. THEY HAVE ALL KINDS OF HIGH-TECH GEAR AND THEY ARE WORKING FROM A TO Z . ONE OF THE HARDEST WORKERS TO FIND IS A QUALIFIED WATER TECHNICIAN AND THEY ARE WORKING WITH THE SCHOOL SYSTEM TO BRING IN APPRENTICE PROGRAMS AND THE WATER QUALITY, WILL FIRST OF ALL, WATER QUANTITY IS IN LIMITED SUPPLY. SO YOU THINK LIVING IN FLORIDA, THE AQUIFER BUT IT IS BECOMING A PROBLEM AND IT WILL BECOME MORE OF A PROBLEM. THEY ARE TALKING MORE ABOUT CLEANING THE WASTEWATER TO HIGHER AND HIGHER STANDARDS ALL THE WAY TO CLEAN WATER STANDARDS. IT IS AMAZING WHERE WE COULD END UP IN OUR LIFETIME. IT WAS A GREAT TOUR I THOUGHT. WE WERE ALL GIVEN EVALUATIONS FOR THE COUNTY MANAGER, THE COUNTY ATTORNEY, AND THE AUDITOR. I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR THAT THEY ARE ALL DONE BY THE END OF THE MONTH SOMETIME. THE LAST THING I HAVE IS, COMMISSIONER -- WAS HOSPITALIZED THIS WEEKEND AND HE IS IN ORANGE PARK MEDICAL CENTER AND IF YOU PRAY FOR ANYBODY, HE SHOULD BE ON YOUR [02:50:04] LIST. >> THE FOLKS OF KINGSLEY LAKE WILL TELL HE IS RESPONSIBLE FOR GETTING SIDEWALKS IN KINGSLEY LAKE 25 YEARS AGO AND HE IS THE COMMISSIONER THEY TALK ABOUT. >> HE IS LAID UP A LITTLE BIT RIGHT NOW AND HOPEFULLY HE WILL RECOVER BUT ANYWAY, KEEP HIM IN YOUR PRAYERS. * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.