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NUMBER TWO. THE FLEMING POOL AND BATHHOUSE LEGISLATION.[00:56:47]
PEOPLE LOOK AT IT. I HAD NOT SEEN IT UNTIL RECENTLY.[00:56:56]
DISCUSSION, ANYBODY? >> I AM LOOKING AT THE
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APPLICATION , AND EVERYTHING. WHILE THE POLL IS ORIGINAL,[00:57:05]
THE BATHHOUSE IS MADE OF RECLAIMED MATERIALS FROM THE[00:57:11]
OLD HOUSE. IT IS NOT AN ORIGINAL STRUCTURE.[00:57:17]
>> WRITES. >> I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT
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AFFECTS THE HISTORICAL VALUE. I DON'T KNOW IF IT MEETS THE[00:57:22]
LEVEL OF BEING A TRUE HISTORICAL SITE. IT IS A HISTORICAL SITE, BUT THE BUILDING , SINCE IT'S MADE UP FROM ANOTHER BUILDING MATERIAL.>> THAT'S A GOOD POINT. HOWEVER, UNFORTUNATELY, WE ARE FREE TO -- IF THE SITE HAS HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE AT ALL, THE BUILDING DOESN'T HAVE TO STILL BE THERE, FOR EXAMPLE.
NOT ON THE SITE. YES, IT WOULD BE NICE IF MORE OF THE ORIGINAL OF FLEMING PLANTATION WERE ATTACHED. SINCE IT IS NOT --
>> EXCUSE ME -- >> THE OTHERS, IT WOULD BE INSIDE THE FENCE OF THE PROPERTY? IF WE AS THE BOARD APPROVED THIS, AND WE INSTALL IT, THE COUNTY WORKERS CAN'T GO OUTSIDE OF THE COUNTY DRIVEWAY. CAN'T GO ON PRIVATE PROPERTY TO INSTALL THESE. THAT WOULD BE --
>> THAT'S NOT A PROBLEM. WE CAN DO IT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE FENCE. THAT WAS JUST SUGGESTED. THAT BATHHOUSE IS ORIGINAL. I HAVE PROOF OF IT. DOCUMENTED MANY TIMES. IT IS NOT MADE FROM RECLAIMED PROPERTIES. IT WAS BUILT WITH
ADDRESSING US NOW? >> MY NAME IS -- I AM THE TRUSTEE FOR NANCY MORRIS ' STATE -- ESTATE. SHE IS MY AUNT. I KNOW IT WELL. I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU MISREAD THAT, BUT THE BATHHOUSE AND POOL WERE BUILT IN 1985, NOT FROM RECLAIMED MATERIALS. THE HOUSE THAT IS THERE WAS BUILT FROM RECLAIMED MATERIALS FROM THE ORIGINAL PLANTATION HOUSE.
>> OKAY. I WAS TRYING TO READ AN ARTICLE THAT WAS IN IT.
THAT'S WHY I SAID IT WAS THE BATHHOUSE.
>> IT WAS BUILT BY FREDERICK FLEMING , FOR HIS WIFE. THEY
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BUILT THE POOL AND THE BATHHOUSE AT THE SAME TIME.>> BECAUSE OF OTHER BUSINESS, I HAD NOT DONE JUSTICE TO LOOKING AT THE SUGGESTED LANGUAGE . I WOULD, HOWEVER, SUGGEST TWEAKING IT SOME IN TERMS OF OUR ADVICE, MY ADVICE, TO CONCENTRATE ON THE STORY FOR THE GENERAL PUBLIC, RATHER THAN SPECIFIC DIMENSIONS . LIKE 3.5 FREE -- FEET DEEP. IF THERE ARE OTHER WORDS THAT COULD BETTER CONVEY THE NARRATIVE, THAT WOULD BE GOOD. WHAT WE MIGHT DO , IF PEOPLE ARE AGREEABLE , IS ENTERTAIN AN INITIATIVE TO FORM A SUBCOMMITTEE TO GO OVER THIS WITH THE PROPOSED PARTIES INTERESTED IN HAVING IT DONE. WE NEED MORE THAN ONE PERSON FOR THE COMMITTEE. AT LEAST MEANINGFULLY.
>> IT MIGHT BE HELPFUL TO HAVE ONE PERSON THAT HIS NAME CHAMPION FOR THE PROJECT . CERTAINLY THE SUBCOMMITTEE CAN
HELP. >> OKAY. IF THERE WAS ONLY ONE PERSON WILLING TO BE ON THIS COMMITTEE, THEY COULD STILL SCHEDULE A MEETING WITH MISSES TESH, FOR EXAMPLE ?
>> NO, I'M SORRY, WHAT I AM SAYING IS IF THE BOARD CHOOSES TO WORK ON THIS MARKER, WHICH CAN BE ON PRIVATE PROPERTY, BY THE WAY, THIS IS THEIR APPLICATION TO HAVE THE MARKER ON THEIR SITES. IN THE PAST, I BELIEVE, ONE MEMBER HAS GENERALLY OPTED TO BE THE LEAD ON THE PROJECT. YOU CERTAINLY COULD HAVE THE SUBCOMMITTEE WITH MEMBERS, AND WE WOULD ADVERTISE IT THE WAY WE WOULD ALWAYS HAVE TO. I AM ASKING THERE BE ONE PERSON THAT IS IN CHARGE, RATHER THAN JUST SAYING YES YOU WANT TO WORK ON THE MARKER. ONE PERSON THAT IS
TAKING ON THIS TASK. >> OKAY. WOULD YOU LIKE TO BE
ON THE LEAD? >> I WILL BE ON THE COMMITTEE, BUT I DO NOT WANT TO BE THE LEAD.
>> IN ANY CASE, THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE A PUBLICLY ADVERTISED MEETING, OR NOT . OR THE DESIGNATED LEAD COULD DO RESEARCH . IN ANY WAY THEY WANTED, AND THEN A REPORT. HOW WOULD THAT WORK UNDER THE CIRCUMSTANCES?
>> OF YOU WANT TO JUST HAVE ONE PERSON MEET AND GO OVER THE APPLICATION AND BECOME FAMILIAR SO THEY CAN SHARE IT WITH THE BOARD . YOU CAN CERTAINLY DO THAT. OR, NORMALLY WHAT OUR BOARD DOES IS, I ASSUME YOU ARE PROVIDED THE MATERIALS. YOU CAN REVIEW IT. YOU HAVE YOUR APPLICANT HERE. YOU JUST ASK WHATEVER QUESTIONS THE BOARD HAS AN YOU MOVE FORWARD.
>> OKAY. >> WHAT IS THE PLEASURE OF THE BOARD ON HOW TO APPROACH THIS? SOMEBODY WILLING TO BE THE LEAD ON THIS? I GUESS WE ALL HAVE VARIOUS FISH TO FRY . WE AREN'T FROM THIS PARTICULAR BOARD. THAT WOULD BE, I GUESS, THE BEST WAY TO GET IT GOING. ANYONE?
>> IS THE EVIDENCE FOR -- I GUESS, THAT BATHHOUSE -- I SEE YOU PROVIDED -- IT SAYS BOOK FROM FREDERICK'S CHILDREN. THE ON RETURNING TIME. I GUESS THIS IS -- MAYBE . I AM NOT SURE. SHE PROVIDED A REFERENCE FOR MORE THE BATHHOUSE IS MADE. IS THAT ENOUGH FOR THIS HISTORICAL MARKER? DO YOU NEED A HISTORICAL ARCHITECT FOR THE BUILDING?
>> IF THE BOOK DOCUMENTS IT, THAT'S ONE SOURCE . IT PROBABLY
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WOULD BE GOOD TO HAVE MULTIPLE SOURCES, IF YOU CAN.>> I HAVE SEVERAL SOURCES RIGHT NOW FROM THE HISTORICAL SOCIETY. THE FLEMING'S OF FLEMING ISLAND. THE ON RETURNING TIED. THE NEWSPAPER. THE FLORIDA TIMES UNION PRINTED IT IN THE 1980S. SAYING THE DATE OF THAT. IT HAS BEEN -- I'VE BEEN RESEARCHING A LITTLE. I CANNOT FIND A BOOK IN FLORIDA THAT IS OLDER. THIS WAS 1885.
>> SHE SAYS SHE HASN'T FOUND ONE THAT WASN'T OLDER THAN
THIS. >> SCOTT THE MORE RECENT BOOK ON FLEMING'S IS VERY WELL WRITTEN. I DON'T HAVE A PHOTOGRAPH -- PHOTOGRAPHIC MEMORY OF ALL THE CHAPTERS.
YES. THAT'S IT. CORRECT. I AM SEEING THINGS FROM THE ON RETURNING TIED. YOU HAVE ATTACHMENTS FOR THAT, TOO.
>> I DID NOT KNOW . ON THE APPLICATION, WHEN I SUBMITTED IT , I UNDERSTOOD THIS WAS AN INITIAL APPLICATION. I'VE GOT DOCUMENTATION ON THE POOL ON PAGE 187, 188, 189 OF THE BOOK.
THERE'S A LOT OF DOCUMENTATION ON IT.
>> I DON'T KNOW. IS THE SUGGESTED MARKER IN HERE?
>> THAT WASN'T ASKED.. >> I SEE THE PROPOSED PURPOSE .
AGO TO GAUGE THE INTEREST TO PUT IT BEFORE YOU IF YOU COULD MAKE A DECISION IF YOU WANTED TO PURSUE WORKING ON THE
MARKER. >> IT IS FED BY US BRING THAT IS 72 YEARS AROUND . IT IS FED BY A WELL AND PUMP. IT'S ON ARTESIAN WELL, WHICH WAS DUG IN 1885. THERE'S AN ARTICLE IN THE SPRINGS FOR THE NEWSPAPER THAT DAY. IT SAYS HOW THE CITY OF GREEN COVE CELEBRATED THIS PUMP THAT WAS DUG SO MANY FEET DEEP. IT IS IN THIS BOOK ALSO. I'VE GOT THE NEWSPAPER ARTICLE DATED 1885. FROM SCOTT RITCHIE.
>> TO MY MIND, FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH, I THINK MR. GOULD IS BEST EQUIPPED TO GO OVER THE MINEFIELD OF REQUIREMENTS AND TRY TO MOVE THIS THING FORWARD INITIALLY. THE REST OF US , INCLUDING MYSELF, WOULD BE HAPPY TO ASSIST. IF YOU WOULD
>> YEAH, I CAN TAKE IT HOME. >> IS THAT AGREEABLE TO ANYBODY
ELSE? >> IS THERE GOING TO BE A SUBCOMMITTEE MEETING TO CREATE THE LANGUAGE -- TO PROVIDE THE SOURCES -- TO CREATE THE LANGUAGE?
>> I HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH PAT ON IT.
>> YOU HAVE ALREADY STARTED IT ?
>> SHE HAS STARTED IT AND ALMOST COMPLETED IT. I WOULD BE
HAPPY TO SUBMIT IT TO YOU. >> I WILL GET YOUR CONTACT INFORMATION. AND GET WITH YOU. I'M TRYING TO WORK ON LANGUAGE AND STUFF. I WILL BRIEF THE BOARD, THE COMMITTEE,
AT OUR NEXT MEETING. >> TO BRIEF WITH HER, DO YOU HAVE TO MAKE A SUBCOMMITTEE MEETING? IF THERE ARE TWO MEMBERS? IF YOU WANT TO HAVE A MEETING AND IT'S MORE THAN ONE
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, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANT TO MEET WITH A REPRESENTATIVE, AND IT'S MORE THAN ONE OF YOU IT'S A SUBCOMMITTEE MEETING.>> BUT IF IT'S -- OKAY. >> I WOULD BE HAPPY TO MEET
WITH YOU AT THE PROPERTY. >> OKAY. LIKE I SAID, I WILL GET YOUR CONTACT INFORMATION FROM BETH. WE WILL SET UP A TIME TO MEET AND GO OVER YOUR APPLICATION , AND MAYBE POSSIBLY SOME WORDING FOR THE MARKER. I WILL MAKE A REPORT NEXT WEEK, OR NEXT MONTH, AT THE NEXT MEETING. THEN THE BOARD CAN MOVE FORWARD OR MAKE A DECISION ON MOVING FORWARD AT
>> OKAY? >> THERE IS A PUBLIC COMMENTOR HERE. ARE YOU PART OF THE PROJECT?
>> PAT HAS BEEN HELPING ME WITH IT. SHE HAS MORE KNOWLEDGE. THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I'VE DONE ANYTHING LIKE
THIS. >> IS IT ALL RIGHT THAT SHE
SAYS SOMETHING? >> SHE CAN GET UP AND SPEAK ON
IT. >> SHE SUBMITTED A CARD ANYWAY.
YEAH. >> THE ONLY QUESTION I WANTED
TO ASK -- >> CLOSER TO THE MICROPHONE,
PLEASE. >> THE ONLY QUESTION I WANTED TO ASK IS BECAUSE I CALLED AND APPARENTLY THIS POVERTY IS NOW ON THE MASTER SITE FILE. THE MASTER SITE FILE APPLICATION THAT MS. CARSON WOULD SUBMIT, OR SHOULD I WORK ON DOING THAT . IT'S A LITTLE BIT ABOVE OUR PAY GRADE, BUT WE WILL GIVE IT A SHOT IF WE ARE SUPPOSED TO DO.
>> WHEN YOU SUBMIT AN APPLICATION FOR MARKER THEY ASK YOU TO CREATE A MASTER SITE FILE. WHEN WE SUBMITTED FOR A GUSTED -- AUGUSTUS SAVAGE, THAT'S PART OF THE PROCESS.
>> WE WILL LET YOU DO IT. THANK YOU.
>> VERY GOOD. >> IF I UNDERSTAND, YOU ARE GOING TO NOT VOTE ON THIS ? YOU ARE NOT GOING TO MAKE A DECISION. YOU ARE NOT GOING TO VOTE ON WHETHER YOU PURSUE THIS FURTHER. YOU'RE GOING TO WAIT UNTIL BILLY COMES BACK WITH --
GOULD WOULD -- >> THERE WAS NO MOTION, NO VOTE, THAT YOU WANTED TO PURSUE THIS.
>> WE DO NEED TO VOTE ON THAT. OKAY. I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO CONFIRM MR. GOULD AS THE LEAD ON THIS PROJECT .
>> AND THAT YOU ARE AGREEING YOU ARE DOING THE MARKER. IS THAT WHAT YOU ARE -- I MEAN THIS IS AN APPLICATION REQUESTING THAT THIS BOARD WORK ON --
>> I WOULD MAKE A MOTION THAT I WOULD BE ALLOWED TO INVESTIGATE WITH THE APPLICANT, AND BRING BACK A REPORT NEXT MEETING TO MAKE A DECISION ON MOVING FORWARD OR NOT.
>> IS THAT AGREEABLE TO EVERYONE? THAT'S A MOTION. A
>> OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR OF THAT FORMULATION OF HOW TO PROCEED , PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYEYE. OKAY, THAT MOTION
>> OKAY. THE NEXT UP IS THE MIDDLEBURG MUSEUM. IS RUTH ALLOWED TO MAKE STATEMENTS TO US?
>> I BELIEVE IT IS OKAY. IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS FOR HER,
THAT'S OKAY. >> WOULD YOU LIKE TO SAY ANYTHING ABOUT WHAT YOU SUBMITTED? ALL RIGHT. HAVE PEOPLE HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK OVER THE APPLICATION FOR THE MIDDLEBURG MUSEUM MARKER? ACTUALLY, IT IS A DUAL MARKER, RIGHT? IT INVOLVES THE CIVIC -- WHY?
>> YOU HAVE TO COME TO THE MIC.
>> OKAY. THAT IS A GOOD QUESTION. YES. THEY ARE ON THE SAME PLOT OF LAND. THEY WERE BUILT AT THE SAME TIME. WE JUST STARTED, BECAUSE WE REPRESENT THE MUSEUM, WE STARTED WITH IT. IF WE PURSUE THIS, YES. THE CIVIC BUILDING, THE CIVIC ASSOCIATION BUILDING WOULD , TOO, NEED TO HAVE
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RECOGNITION . HISTORIC RECOGNITION.>> WOULD WE BE TALKING ABOUT ONE OR TWO? THE MARKER THAT
>> IT COULD BE ONE OR TWO. WHEN WAS THE CIVIC BUILDING
BUILT? >> THE SAME TIME. THE WPA BUILT
>> THAT WOULD BE AT YOUR DISCRETION. YOU WANT TODO ONE OR TWO MARKERS? YOU CAN DO ONE MARKER THAT HAS DIFFERENT TEXT.
>> SINCE THE MIDDLE -- MIDDLEBURG MUSEUM CORPORATION HAS -- A TWO-SIDED MARKER? TWO DIFFERENT MARKERS? ONE TO
DISCUSS BOTH OF THEM? >> COULD WE DO A TWO-SIDED? I KNOW THE PRICE IS OF CONSIDERATION. IT IS LIKE $400. I THOUGHT I HEARD THE NUMBER ONE CITED , 2500. TO GIVE THEM BOTH THE CREDIT I THINK THEY DESERVE , I DON'T WANT TO GO TO AN EXTREME EXPENSE . WHAT ABOUT HAVE A COMPROMISE ON ONE SIDE DEDICATED TO ONE STRUCTURE, AND THE THER DEDICATED TO THE OTHER? I DO HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THAT. ARE WE ALLOWED TO DO ANY FUNDRAISING? OR IS THIS STRICTLY THROUGH YOUR BUDGET?
>> THE COUNTY HAS STOPPED THAT WORKS IF PEOPLE WANT TO SPONSOR AND MAKE DONATIONS TO THE COUNTY.
>> YES. I FIND IT IMPORTANT FOR THESE TWO STRUCTURES TO BE IDENTIFIED AND GO INTO, YOU KNOW, POSTERITY THAT THEY ARE NOT GOING TO BE FORGOTTEN. YES. IF YOU CAN DO THAT, WE ARE
WILLING TO DO THAT. >> THE LAND ON WHICH THEY STAND DESERTED COUNTY PROPERTY.
>> YES, IT IS. RIGHT. >> THE WHOLE AREA, THOUGH, IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT. YOU HAVE THE MASONIC LODGE THAT IS HISTORIC. THE BUILDING, I KNOW, HAS BEEN MIDDLE -- MOVED. THE ORIGINAL BUILDING. I DO NOT KNOW THE AGE OF THE CURRENT BUILDING. YOU HAVE THAT WHOLE LITTLE AREA. I DON'T THINK IT WOULD QUALIFY. I KNOW THE TWO STRUCTURES YOU ARE ASKING
ABOUT. 'S >> CERTAINLY THE WPA IMPACT ON THE COUNTY HISTORY AT THAT TIME IS A VERY IMPORTANT CHAPTER. HOW THINGS HAVE TURNED OUT FOR US. EVEN THOUGH THE BUILDINGS ARE -- DID YOU SAY THE CIVIC BUILDING WAS
MOVED A LITTLE ? >> NO. THERE IS AN ISSUE IN THAT WE HAVE AN ADDRESS FOR THE MUSEUM. THE CIVIC CENTER HAS THEIR OWN ADDRESS ON A DIFFERENT STREET. YOU CAN'T FIND IT ON THE COUNTY APPRAISERS WEBSITE. THAT IS SOMETHING THAT , I THINK, NEEDS TO BE LOOKED INTO, ALSO.
>> OKAY. ANY FURTHER COMMENTS OR DISCUSSION FROM THE BOARD MEMBERS IN REACTION TO THIS? ANYBODY WHO DOESN'T THINK IT
IS MATURE TO WORK ON? >> HAVE YOU DRAFTED A -- WHAT YOU ARE GOING TO PUT ON THE MARKER?
>> MARKER? I KNOW THE PARAMETERS, BUT NO. WE HAVE
NOT DRAFTED ANYTHING. >> UNTIL -- BASICALLY WE HAVE
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AN INCOMPLETE APPLICATION AT THIS POINT.>> MY UNDERSTANDING IS THE BOARD WOULD DO THE RESEARCH AND FORMULATE THE WORDING FOR THE MARKER. THAT IS HOW IT'S BEEN DONE IN THE PAST. IS THAT NOT CORRECT?
>> OKAY. THEY DON'T REALLY NEED ALL THE ELEMENTS THAT WOULD MAKE A COMPLETE APPLICATION YET. IT IS SUFFICIENT THEY
SHOW THEY WANT TO DO IT. >> CORRECT. THIS IS TO GIVE YOU BASIC INFORMATION ABOUT THE MARKER, AND FROM THERE YOU
WOULD DO THE RESEARCH . >> IS THERE ANYBODY THAT WANTS TO TAKE THE LEAD ON SUCH A PROJECT FOR THIS? FOR THIS ONE? I WOULD BE WILLING TO DO IT. THERE IS NO OTHER CANDIDATE .
>> WE ARE TALKING ABOUT BOTH STRUCTURES, RIGHT? WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE CIVIC ASSOCIATION AND MIDDLEBURG
MUSEUM. >> THAT IS THE WAY IT HAS BEEN PUT. IF ANYBODY HAS ANY OTHER IDEAS , YOU HAVE TIME TO SPEAK UP. OTHERWISE REMOVE FOCUS ON GETTING IT DONE. I THINK THE LATEST SUGGESTION IS IT TWO-SIDED MARKER. ONE DEALING WITH THE CIVIC CENTER, THE OTHER WITH WHAT IS NOW THE MUSEUM. THE ORIGINAL WPA. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ISSUES WITH THAT ? REFERENCE FOR ANOTHER ARRANGEMENT? LET'S SEE. WE COULD HAVE A MOTION. WHAT WOULD THIS MOTION BE LIKE?
>> I BELIEVE THE MOTION WOULD BE THAT THE HISTORIC BOARD MAKES THE MOTION TO WORK ON THIS MARKER ON BEHALF OF MISS
PAINE. >> OKAY. I CANNOT MOVE IT.
ANYBODY CAN MOVE IT FORWARD AND SECOND IT.
>> MOTION -- IS IT FOR APPROVAL?
>> I WOULD BE WILLING TO TAKE THE LEAD ON IT IF IT IS APPROVED. APPARENTLY IT HAS TO BE APPROVED BY US FIRST.
>> MOTION FOR APPROVAL. >> OKAY.
>> SECOND. OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION GOING FORWARD? I GUESS WITH ME AS THE LEAD PERSON. OKAY. SAY AYE. ANY NAY S QUESTION MARK --? WE WILL GET IN TOUCH TO GET THIS GOING. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER COMMENTERS ON THIS ? ALL RIGHT. CERTIFICATES OF APPROVAL. I HAVE A FEELING THERE AREN'T ANY. OKAY. AS FAR AS WE CAN TELL, THERE IS NO SIGNIFICANCE OF APPROVAL ON THE AGENDA. WE ACTUALLY HAVE A FEW MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC OUT THERE. VARIOUS CAPACITY. IF YOU HAVE ANY OBSERVATIONS OR SUGGESTIONS , THIS WOULD BE A
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GOOD TIME TO ENTER THEM INTO THE RECORD. OKAY. STAFFCOMMENTS. >> THE NEXT HISTORIC BOARD MEETING IS FEBRUARY 1ST. DEADLINE TO SUBMIT ITEMS FOR THE AGENDA WOULD BE JANUARY 19TH. I WILL MOVE FORWARD AND SUBMIT THE ST. MARY'S CHURCH ON THE BCC AGENDA, THE LAST ONE OF THE MONTH. I WILL FOLLOW-UP WITH INFORMATION AND THE CONNECTION TONIGHT. I HAVE NOTHING ELSE.
>> I HAVE A QUESTION, TOO. CAN A HISTORIC PRESERVATION MARKER BE NOW OPEN TO THE PUBLIC? I KNOW WITH -- FOR A MARKER, WHEN I LOOK ON THE WEBSITE IT SAYS THERE IS ONE, BUT THEY DON'T SHOW WHERE IT IS. WITH THE GENTLEMAN WHO ASKED ABOUT
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THE AREA , WE HAVE ALSO PROBABLY ASSUMED -- PROBABLY WOULDN'T WANT ARCHAEOLOGICAL REMAINS, OR WHATEVER THEY MAYBE , OPEN AS WELL. >> YET. THEY GENERALLY DON'T LIKE TO DRAW ATTENTION TO THAT. A MARKER WOULD DO THAT.
I BELIEVE MARKERS ARE INTENDED FOR PUBLIC VIEWING. AND PUBLIC
ACCESS. >> BUT COULD I, PERHAPS, HELP THEM WITH -- PUT A MARKER THEN HELP GET STUFF SUBMITTED TO THE MASTERFILE SITE? AS YOU BROUGHT UP EARLIER. I THINK HE DOES HAVE A MARKER. WE JUST DON'T KNOW WHERE IT IS. I
THOUGHT AT LEAST -- >> I CAN CHECK INTO THAT FURTHER AND SEE WHAT THE MASTER SITE HAS -- WHAT THE MASTERFILE SITE HAS ON IT. MAUREEN HAS SAID THE FILE IS NOT COMPLETE, OR NOT ACCURATE. I WILL LOOK INTO IT FOR YOU AND GET YOU THE INFRMATION, AND WE CAN DO MORE RESEARCH ON IT, IF YOU WANT. I HAVE NO OTHER COMMENTS.
>> MAYBE I MISSED IT , OR CANNOT SEE IT. WHAT IS THE STATUS OF THE ST. MARY'S MARKER THING? THE LAST I KNEW , IT COULD NOT GO FORWARD DIRECTLY BECAUSE OF THE FACT IT IS AN INCORPORATED AREA. CORRECT? OR IS IT GRANDFATHERED IN BECAUSE IT STARTED BEFORE THE CURRENT POLICY?
>> YOU ALL APPROVED THAT AS A MARKER TO WORK ON. SINCE WE HAVE DONE THE RESEARCH AND DETERMINED HOW THE PROCESS CAN BE DONE , THAT YOU COULD POSSIBLY WORK ON A MARKER THAT IS OUTSIDE OF YOUR JURISDICTION , AND THAT PROCESS BEING WE GO TO THE BOARD AND ASK FOR THEIR APPROVAL TO SPEND YOUR
OUTSIDE YOUR JURISDICTION. >> ONE WHERE YOU GO THROUGH THE STEP OF THE COMMISSIONERS BLESSING IT?
>> CORRECT. I WILL PUT IT ON THE AGENDA FOR THE LAST MEETING
OF JANUARY. >> JUST TO SEE WHAT ARE OTHER OPTIONS MIGHT BE, WOULD IT BE ALSO PERMISSIBLE IF ST. MARY'S ORGANIZED A FUNDRAISING THING TO FUND THE MARKER WITHOUT THE COUNTIES -- COUNTY'S FINANCIAL INPUT. WOULD THAT BE
DOABLE? >> I THOUGHT SHE SAID SHE WANTED HELP WITH THE MONEY. THAT'S WHY SHE CAME TO US.
>> YES. YES. IF THERE IS A PROBLEM GETTING IT THROUGH BECAUSE OF THIS LEGAL REQUIREMENT. I WOULD JUST LIKE IT ON THE RECORD, WHETHER THAT IS ALL RIGHT , IF ALTERNATIVELY
THE MONEY COULD BE RAISED. >> IF YOU WANT TO SEEK OTHER FUNDING, WE DO HAVE A , I GUESS , A SPONSORSHIP GROUP THROUGH OUR COMMUNITY SERVICES. ANY TYPE OF FUNDRAISING WOULD NEED TO GO THROUGH THAT DEPARTMENT.
>> WHERE DO PEOPLE GO TO FIND OUT THE PARTICULARS FOR THAT
ROUTE ? >> THERE IS INFORMATION ONLINE . I DON'T KNOW IF THAT IS SOMETHING PAT IS INTERESTED IN.
WE CAN PROVIDE THE CONTACT. >> THAT WOULD BE VERY USEFUL FOR THE FUTURE, NOT JUST FOR THIS.
>> WOULD WE NEED BOARD APPROVAL FOR THEM TO WORK ON A MARKER
TO WORK IN JURISDICTION? >> THE MOST IMPORTANT PART IS TO HAVE THE RELATIONSHIP -- THIS IS IN GREEN CODE? WE DO MANY PROJECTS WITH THEM, AND WE DO THEM WITH INTERLOCAL. WE'VE BEEN INVOLVED WITH AUGUSTUS SAVAGE. WE'VE BEEN INVOLVED WITH THE SPRING PARK BALL. WE DO NOT WANT TO STEP ON THEIR TOES. WE WOULD HAVE TO GO TO THEIR COUNCIL AND MAKE SURE THEY ARE OKAY WITH THIS PROCEEDING FORWARD. WE DON'T FORESEE ANY PROBLEMS. IT IS JUST THE WAY MATTERS ARE
HANDLED. >> HOW DID THE CITY COUNCIL EXPRESSED THE FACT THAT THEY ARE OKAY WITH IT?
>> BECAUSE WE WILL HAVE AN INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT THAT IS AN
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AGREEMENT BETWEEN OUR BOARD AND THEIR COUNCIL. THE AUTHORIZESUS TO MOVE FORWARD. >> DOES ONE OF THOSE PARTIES HAVE TO INITIATE FIRST? OR WHOEVER THINKS OF IT FIRST?
>> IT CAN BE EITHER WAY. >> IN THIS INSTANCE, YOU HAVE ASKED TO MOVE FORWARD. WE WILL ASK OUR BOARD AND COUNTY MANAGER AND THE CITY MANAGER. THEY WILL DISCUSS IT AND MAKE SURE EVERYBODY IS ON THE SAME PAGE, AND WE CAN MOVE FORWARD.
NEED TO DO TONIGHT ? >> THIS IS THE ONE WE HAVE ALREADY DISCUSSED, AND THE BOARD HAS ALREADY ASKED US TO TAKE IT FORWARD. I BELIEVE IT WILL GO AT THE END OF JANUARY.
WORKING TOGETHER TO -- >> NO, YOU HAVE ASKED FOR THE STAFF TO TAKE IT TO THE BOARD. OUR FIRST TIME LETTING OUR BOARD MORE ABOUT IT WILL BE IN JANUARY. AT THE END OF JANUARY.
IF THEY BLESSED WE MOVE FORWARD LIKE WE NORMALLY DO.
>> IS THE CITY ALREADY INVOLVED?
>> WE DID THAT IN THIS MEETING. WE MADE A MOTION.
>> TO MOVE FORWARD. I GUESS GO FROM THERE.
>> THAT'S GOOD. BETH WILL SEND US ADDITIONAL MATERIAL FROM OTHER SOURCES, TOO. WHICH WOULD BE VERY HOPEFUL . ANY
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OTHER STAFF COMMENTS? >> FEBRUARY 1ST WILL BE THE NEXT BOARD MEETING DATE. JANUARY 19TH IS THE DEADLINE
FOR SUBMITTING AGENDA ITEMS. >> I WILL PROVIDE FOR ALL OF YOU, WHILE YOU ARE HERE, IF YOU HAVE ANY PARTICULAR ITEMS ON THE AGENDA, OR YOU WANT TO SEE IF SOMEBODY HAS INTEREST ON THE AGENDA, NOW WOULD BE THE TIME TO DISCUSS THAT.
>> YES. ANYBODY ELSE ? THAT'S A GOOD OPPORTUNITY, AND SHE SAYS.
>> HAVE A QUESTION. ON THE LOCAL AGREEMENT, IS THAT FOR EACH MARKER SPECIFIC REQUEST? OR WOULD IT BE SOMETHING WE CAN DO A BLANKET FOR THIS MARKER, PLUS ANY FUTURE MARKERS THAT
MAKE THEM UP? >> IF YOU WOULD LIKE FOR US -- SORRY. IF YOU WOULD LIKE US TO EXPLORE THAT, WE CAN ASK THE COUNTY MANAGER TO EXPLORE THAT WITH THE CITY MANAGER. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE MULTIPLE MARKERS YOU ARE INTERESTED IN.
WE CAN EXPLORE THAT. THEY ARE PROBABLY GOING TO WANT TO KNOW
WHAT . >> AND WITH THEM BEING THE OLDEST BAR, PLUS THE FARMS, KEYSTONE. THE TOWN OF ORANGE PARK. I CAN SEE THIS COMING UP AGAIN . I DIDN'T KNOW IF IT WOULD BE EASIER TO DO A BLANKET, OR IF IT SHOULD BE AN EVENT GENERATED CONVERSATION WITH EACH WHEN WE GET THE
APPLICATION. >> IT WOULD HAVE TO BE WITH EACH, WHETHER IT'S GOING TO BE PENNEY FARMS, OR BUNCHE PARK, KEYSTONE, GREEN COVE. THOSE WOULD ALL NEED TO BE SEPARATE.
IF YOU KNEW YOU HAD MULTIPLE MARKERS THAT YOU ARE INTERESTED IN IN THE CITY OF GREEN COVE, OR IN THE TOWN, WE COULD TAKE THEM ALL AT ONCE. I DON'T KNOW THEY WOULD WANT TO JUST GIVE YOU BLANKET AUTHORITY TO DO ANY MARKERS IN THEIR JURISDICTION .
THEY WOULD PROBABLY WANT TO HAVE A FEEL FOR A PARTICULAR ONE. WE COULD CERTAINLY COMBINE IF YOU KNEW IN ADVANCE.
>> I WANT TO GET ON THE RECORD WHAT THE PROCESS IS MOVING FORWARD. I KNOW WE ARE LOOKING AT ONE IN KEYSTONE. NUMBER 11, I BELIEVE IT IS. I WAS TRYING TO USE THIS ONE AS A TEMPLATE.
WHENEVER IT POPS UP IN THE FUTURE, EVERYBODY IS ON BOARD .
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WE KNOW THE PROCESS AND CAN GET IT. I KNOW IT'S AN EXTRA STEP, BUT AT LEAST WE KNOW IF IT IS IN CITY OR TOWN LIMITS.WE KNOW WHAT WE NEED TO DO MOVING FORWARD.
>> YES. BETH AND I CAN HAVE DISCUSSIONS WITH THE COUNTY MANAGER. HE HAS MONTHLY MEETINGS WITH THE MUNICIPALITIES. IT IS SOMETHING WE CAN MAKE SURE EVERYBODY IS
ON THE SAME PAGE. >> OKAY. THAT'S ALL I HAVE.
>> OKAY. >> I WILL TRY TO FIND OUT WHAT -- THE FEDERAL LAW IS REGARDING THE SUNSHINE LAW AND HOW IT TATE TO THE STATES. SOMETHING WE WILL NEED TO FIND
OUT. IF WE DON'T KNOW YET. >> I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE APPLICABILITY WOULD BE. UNTIL YOU CHANGE THE STATE LAW, THAT IS WHAT WE ARE GOING TO FOLLOW.
>> RIGHT. THAT CERTAINLY WAS AN IDEA SOME OF US HAVE HAD.
GET A LEGISLATOR TO MAKE ADJUSTMENTS IN THE SUNSHINE LAW . TO EVEN DO THAT WE HAVE TO KNOW IF THEY ARE BOUND IN CERTAIN RESPECTS BY A FEDERAL LAW WE DON'T KNOW ABOUT. THAT IS A WHOLE NEW HURDLE TO TRY TO JUMP OVER. OKAY. BOARD MEMBERS, ANYMORE COMMENTS? THAT WAS GOOD.
>> KNOW. >> OKAY. YOU HAVE HAD YOUR CHANCE. IF THAT'S THE CASE, IS THERE ANY OTHER BUSINESS OR COMMEN
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