Jan 02, 2024 Planning Commission

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STAND ME JOIN ME IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.

>> I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

>> WELCOME, EVERYBODY. TO THE FIRST COMMISSION MEETING FOR 2024. I HOPE EVERYBODY HAD A SUCCESSFUL NEW YEAR AND ARE READY TO ROCK 'N ROLL FOR THIS ONE. MY NAME IS PETE DAVIS, THE VICE CHAIRMAN. I'LL BE THE MASTER OF CEREMONY TONIGHT. I WILL INTRODUCE THE COMMISSIONERS. WE WILL GO AROUND THE ROOM TO FIND DISTINGUISHED VISITORS THAT ARE HERE. ON MY LEFT. COMMISSIONER MARY RICHMOND. THE CHAIRWOMAN.

COMMISSIONER --. COMMISSIONER GARRISON. AND MRS. VANCE.

ADDISON. VANCE IS THE SCHOOL BOARD REPRESENTATIVE AND ADVISES US ON THE CAPACITY FOR SCHOOLS. TO MY RIGHTS.

COMMISSIONER NORTON. THE RECORDING SECRETARY IS CHRISTINE --. WHO WORKS FOR THE COURT. IN THE AUDIENCE. I SEE ED --. THE PLANNING DIRECTOR. COURTNEY GRAHAM.

THE ACCOUNTING ATTORNEY. JAMIE --. ASSISTANT COUNTY ATTORNEY.

BETH, IS THAT YOU BACK THERE? I HAVE CHARISSE STEWART BACK THERE. WHO WORKS FOR THE COUNTY MANAGER. AND OVER HERE, WE HAVE MIKE BROWN, THE CHIEF PLANNER. AND , DUTY --. WHO IS , PARDON ME, THE CHIEF PLANNER. AND SAMANTHA OLSON. WHO WAS A PLANNER. IN THE BACK OVER HERE, WE HAVE DEPUTY --. ONE OF THE REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE CLARK COUNTY SHERIFF DEPARTMENT. AND LIEUTENANTS -- MIGHT JOIN US LATER. I HOPE I DID NOT MISS ANYBODY? I DON'T SEE AN ANSWER. LET'S GET

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>> WILL BE APPROVED? >> SECOND.

>> EMOTION AND A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR?

>> AYE. >> ALL RIGHT, IT IS APPROVED.

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MR. --. >> TESTING WAS SCARCE. I APPRECIATE YOU GUYS SENDING OUT THE MEETING. I WANT TO WISH YOU GUYS HAPPY HOLIDAY. I HOPE YOU HAD A GOOD ONE. I AM THE ISSUING PRESIDENT FOR -- SPRINGS. WHEN WE GET TO OUR ITEM , I'M SPEAKING FOR 379 , 378 FELLOW HOMEOWNERS. I WILL TRY TO LIMIT THIS TO ABOUT THREE MINUTES. BUT I MAY GO A LITTLE BIT OVER. I ASK FOR A LITTLE BIT OF INDULGENCE, BUT I PROMISE IT WILL BE LESS THAN FIVE MINUTES WHEN IT COMES TO SPEAKING. SO, THANK YOU, I APPRECIATE IT.

>> ANYBODY ELSE WANT TO HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY DURING THE PUBLIC,? SEEING NINE, "THE PUBLIC COMMENT AND WE WILL MOVE ON INTO THE AGENDA . I NEED TO STATE WHAT OUR PURPOSE

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[1.  Public Hearing to consider COMP1023-00015 and PUD-1023-00015. (District 5, Comm. Burke) (D. Selig)]

RULES STILL APPLY TO THAT AS FAR AS HAVING THREE MINUTES TO STATE YOUR VIEWS ON IT. AFTER THAT IS OVER, WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT. WE WILL ALLOW THE APPLICANT TO HAVE ANY COMMENTS, CONCERNING WHAT THEY HAVE HEARD FROM THE PUBLIC.

AFTER THAT IS OVER, WE WILL BRING THE ITEM BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION PANEL . AT THAT POINT, WE WILL MAKE A DECISION AS FAR AS RECOMMENDATION TO MOVE FORWARD.

ALL RIGHT, CODY ? >> THIS ASSIGNMENT, AND THE OTHERS HAVE ADDITIONAL PORTIONS TO THEM. THE AUDIENCE WILL NEED TO BE SWORN IN. AND THEN I WILL GET THE REST.

>> ANYBODY WISHING TO SPEAK AT THE MEETING MUST BE SWORN IN AND MISS BLANCHET WILL DO IT. SO PLEASE, THOSE WHO WISH TO SPEAK OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION, PLEASE STAND AND

RAISE YOUR HAND. >> DO YOU ALL SOME ONLY SWEAR AND AFFIRM THE TESTIMONY YOU WILL GIVE WILL BE THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH, SO HOPE YOU GOT? THANK

YOU, ALL. >> THIS ITEM WAS CONTINUED. I SHOULD RECALL FROM THE DECEMBER MEETING. IT IS THAT 1679 SHED ROAD. THE APPLICANT IS 1679 SHED ROAD DEVELOPMENT, LLC.

WITH COMMISSIONER BURKS, DISTRICT FIVE. A PARCEL OF LAND. IT WOULD CHANGE THE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION OVERALL RESIDENTIAL TO THE RURAL FRENCH. THE REASONING -- THE REZONING WILL CHANGE FROM AGRICULTURAL RESIDENTIAL PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT. THE SITE IS BANDED YELLOW ON THE LEFT AND PATCHED IN BLACK ON THE PARCEL MAP ON THE RIGHT.

THE MAP ON THE LEFT IS THE EXISTING LAND USE. THE MAP ON THE RIGHT IS THE PROPOSED FUTURE LAND USE. THIS MAP SHOWS THE DELINEATION OF THE TWO DIFFERENT ZONING DISTRICTS THAT ARE CURRENTLY ON THE PROPERTY. THE MAP IS THE

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QUESTIONS FOR ME? >> DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF. OKAY. SEEING NONE , APPLICANTS ?

>> GOOD EVENING. MATTHEWS, D CCM, WALDEN STREET SAINT AUGUSTINE. HEMINGWAY FOR THE PRESENTATION TO GET SET UP.

LET ME WAIT FOR THE PRESENTATION TO GET SET UP .

OKAY. THANK YOU SO MUCH. SOME OF THIS, YOU GUYS SAW LAST MONTH AND WE MADE REVISIONS. I WILL ZOOM IN ON SOME NEW INFORMATION. AS THEY ALREADY WENT OVER, THE SITE IS AT 1679 SHED ROAD. 29.6 ACRES WITH APPROXIMATELY 1.63 ACRES OF ISOLATED WETLANDS ON-SITE . THERE WAS ALSO EXISTING, MAN-MADE PONDS ON THE SITE AS WELL AS MAN-MADE DITCHES THAT ARE ALSO LOCATED WITHIN WETLANDS. THE SITE CURRENTLY HAS A SPLIT ZONING BETWEEN AGRICULTURAL AND AGRICULTURAL RESIDENTIAL. WE PROPOSE TO REZONE IT TO PUD FOR CONSTRUCTION OF 62 SINGLE-FAMILY HOME. WE PROPOSE 6.93 ACRES OF OPEN SPACE WITH THAT BEING 3.66 ACRES OF RECREATION WHICH IS APPROXIMATELY 33% OF THE STATE. IT'LL HAVE A 20 FOOT LANDSCAPE PERIMETER BUFFER, AND PARKING, SIGNAGE AND LANDSCAPING WILL BE CONSISTENT WITH THE CURRENT DEVELOPMENT CODE FOR CLAY COUNTY. THE LOTS WE PROPOSE WILL BE A MINIMUM AREA OF APPROXIMATELY 6000 SQUARE FEET WITH A MINIMUM LOT WITH A 50 FEET. MINIMUM DEPTH OF 120 FEET. LIVING AREA MINIMUM IS NO LESS THAN 1800 SQUARE FEET . MAXIMUM LOT COVERAGE, 60%, BUILDING HEIGHT OF 35 FEET. SETBACKS FRONT IS PROPOSED TO BE 20. 25 OF THE SITE, 10 AT THE REAR AND 24 CROSS STREET WITH AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE OF FIVE FEET. WHEN CHANGED FROM LAST MONTH. BASED ON CONCERNS ABOUT CARS POTENTIALLY BLOCKING SIDEWALKS.

IT IS THOUGHT THAT GARAGE SETBACK WILL BE NO LESS THAN 25 FEET. FROM THE FRONT OF THE GARAGE TO ENSURE THAT NO SIDEWALKS AND CARS WILL BE CROSSING EACH OTHER. THE USE IS CURRENTLY RURAL RESIDENTIAL. WE'RE TRYING TO HAVE A CHANGE TO RURAL FRINGE TO SEE IT CONSISTENT WITH THE WILLOW SUBDIVISION. WE WANT A DENSITY OF 2.99 UNITS PER ACRE. IT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE MAXIMUM DENSITY OF RURAL FRINGE. WHEN WATER AND SEWER ARE AVAILABLE. ON THE SCREEN, YOU CAN SEE THE DENSITY ALLOWED WITH THE GLENCOE SPRINGS ZONING AND CLAY COUNTY . AND THE EXISTING NEIGHBORHOODS . WILLOW SPRINGS HAS A DENSITY OF THREE UNITS PER ACRE. WE ARE ASKING FOR THE THREE UNITS PER ACRE THAT WILL BE CONSISTENT WITH THE EXISTING NEIGHBORHOODS. HERE IS A ZONING COMPARISON TABLE THAT WE DID FOR THE FIRST LIEN. I WOULD DEVELOPMENT. WE HAVE GONE OVER. WILLOW SPRINGS IS A SIMILAR LOT REQUIREMENT.

CREEKSIDE IS THE ORIGINAL WILLOW SPRINGS PUD DONE IN 2005, I BELIEVE? THE LOTS WERE PROPOSED TO BE EVEN SMALLER THAN THEY WERE UNDER THE WILLOW SPRINGS PD. WE ARE NOT ABLE TO CONFIRM LOT SIZES FOR MAGNOLIA WEST AT THE TIME OF THE MEETING

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RURAL FRINGE REQUIRES A MINIMUM OF 80 POINTS. WE ARE AT A TOTAL OF 105 WHICH IS CONSISTENT WITH URBAN FRINGE.

THAT'S NOT WHAT WE ARE REQUESTING. WE ARE REQUESTING RURAL FRINGE. SITE SUITABILITY. ON THE SCREEN IS THE EXISTING ISOLATED WETLANDS ON THE SITE. THERE IS A MAN-MADE DITCH THAT BISECTS THROUGH THE WETLANDS AREA. ON THE RIGHT IS THE FLOODPLAIN. THIS FLOOD ZONE. IT IS FLOOD ZONE X AS REQUIRED, WITH ANY NEW DEVELOPMENT, THERE ARE IMPACT FEES RELATED TO THE COMPREHENSIVE FEES OF $145 PER UNIT. THE FEES GO TO SUPPORT THE FIRE, LAW ENFORCEMENT FACILITIES, PARKS, LIBRARIES AND OTHER CULTURAL SERVICES.

SCHOOL IMPACT FEE IS $7900 PER UNIT. IT'LL BE PAID WITH MOBILITY FEE. WHICH PAYZANT THE TRAFFIC IMPACT AND ROAD IMPROVEMENT. $7300 PER UNIT FOR A TOTAL OF 19,800 PER LOT.

AND $14 MILLION FOR THE ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT AT 62 UNITS. ON WEDNESDAY, DECEMBER 20TH, WE HELD A COMMUNITY MEETING AT THE SACRED HEART CATHOLIC CHURCH HALL AND FLEMING ISLAND.

THERE WERE 32 ATTENDEES AND WE WERE ABLE TO HAVE A ROBUST DIALOGUE WITH SEVERAL OF THE NEIGHBORS. THE CONCERNS THAT WERE BROUGHT UP WITH DRAINAGE PROBLEMS AS WELL AS TRAFFIC AND ON STREET PARKING. SOME OF THE SAME CONCERNS BROUGHT UP DECEMBER 5TH MEETING. THAT IS WHERE WE PRESENTED THE PROPOSAL FOR 25 FOOT SETBACK FOR THE GARAGE FACADE. WE HAD ALSO OFFERED THE TWO ADJOINING PROPERTY OWNERS THAT HAD EXPRESSED CONCERNS ABOUT STORMWATER RUNOFF FROM THE EXISTING DEVELOPMENT IMPACTING. WE OFFERED TO HAVE THE ENGINEER GO OUT ON SITE TO EXPECT TO SEE IF YOU CAN COME UP WITH SOLUTIONS THAT MAY BE ABLE TO ASSIST THEM. NOBODY TOOK UP THE OFFER BUT THE OFFER STILL STANDS IF ANYBODY WOULD LIKE THE ENGINEERS TO ASSIST THEM. THE DEVELOPER IS ALSO WILLING TO COMMIT MONEY TOWARDS THE LOCAL RESIDENTS HIRING INDEPENDENT ENGINEERS TO REVIEW THE STORMWATER PLANS AND SITE PLANS TO ENSURE WE ARE RETAINING ALL STORMWATER ON-SITE AND THE OFFER STILL STANDS AS WELL. THE STORMWATER AND RETENTION IS 33% HIGHER THAN NORMAL STANDARDS AND 18% OF THE SITE VERSUS THE STANDARD SITE THAT THE ENGINEER CAN SPEAK TO MORE IN DETAIL. YOU CAN SEE IT IS NOT QUITE AS CLEAR ON HERE AS I WANTED TO BE. AT THE NORTH AND EAST CORNER OF THE SITES. AS WELL AS THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF THE SITE SO YOU CAN SEE AT THE TOP CENTER AND BOTTOM OF THE SCREEN. THESE ARE STORMWATER PONDS PROPOSED FOR THE SITE.

THE OPEN RECREATION SPACES ARE THE HASHED AREAS. OFFSTREET PARKING. YOU'VE SEEN THE SLIDE. I INCLUDED THIS TO ILLUSTRATE THE LARGER GARAGE FRONT SETBACK TO MAKE SURE NO CARS PASSING ON SIDEWALKS. ACCORDING TO SECTION 812, PARKING REQUIREMENTS, A TWO-CAR GARAGE AND A 20 FOOT WIDE BY 25 FOOT DRIVEWAY LENGTH EQUATES TO 3.5 OFFSTREET PARKING SPACES PER RESIDENTIAL UNIT. SINGLE FAMILY TYPICALLY REQUIRES TWO SPACES PER UNIT. 62 UNITS IS 124 SPACES REQUIRED. WITH 3.5 SPACES FOR THE RESIDENCE WITH A LARGER DRIVEWAY PROVIDING 217 SPACES AND OFFSTREET SPACES. WE ARE PROVIDING 12 OFFSTREET SPACES ADJACENT TO THE, SPACE. AN ADDITIONAL HUNDRED AND FIVE SPACES OFFSTREET PARKING TO ALLEVIATE PARKING CONCERNS FO R THIS DEVELOPMENT. AS PART OF THE PROJECT, WE ARE IMPROVING THE HIGHLIGHTED SECTION OF SHEDD ROAD. YOU CAN SEE ON THE SCREEN. IT IS TO THE NORTH OF THE SUBJECT SITE AS CURBING NORTHWARD TO WHERE THE SHEDD ROAD GOES BACK EAST. WE WILL ALSO BE CONNECTING THE EXISTING SIDEWALK WITH WILLOW SPRINGS TO THE SIDEWALK

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>> I HAVE ONE. I BROUGHT THIS UP IN THE DECEMBER MEETING. IT IS KIND OF AN ASIDE QUESTION. THE GATE THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE ON SHEDD ROAD? WHAT DID YOU FIND OUT ABOUT THAT? WHEN I MENTIONED IT LAST MONTH, THEY LOOKED AT ME LIKE I WAS CRAZY.

AND I CLEARLY REMEMBER THAT WAS PART OF THAT WILLOW SPRINGS DEAL. WHAT HAPPENED WHEN IT WENT AWAY?

>> I WAS NOT ABLE TO UNCOVER THAT. IT WAS A PROPOSED AS PART OF THE ORIGINAL CONCEPT PLAN FOR WILLOW SPRINGS. BY THE TIME IT GOT TO THE PLAT STAGE, IT HAD CHANGED. I WAS NOT ABLE

TO IDENTIFY WHY. >> THANK YOU. ANY OF THE

QUESTIONS? >> ELABORATE ABOUT THE

IMPROVEMENTS TO SHEDD ROAD. >> I DEFER TO MY ENGINEER,

ALEX --. >> THE EXTENT OF IT AND WHAT TYPE OF IMPROVEMENTS ? THANK YOU FOR POINTING OUT IT IS A PUBLIC ROAD. I'M CURIOUS ABOUT THAT?

>> ALEX --, MATTHEW STACY CM, SEVEN WALDEN STREET. THE PORTION OF THE ROAD IMPROVED AND SHOWN ON THE SITE PLAN,

IT'LL BE --. >> CAN IMPOSE A BACKUP? CAN

YOU PULL IT BACK UP? >> I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND HOW TO GET FROM THE SUBDIVISION AND WHAT IS THE PRIMARY PATH.

WHERE ARE PEOPLE GOING IN YOUR OPINION?

>> THE MAIN ACCESS IS THROUGH WILLOW SPRINGS. THE CUL-DE-SAC. I GUESS YOU CAN'T SEE IT HERE. THE CUL-DE-SAC HERE WHERE WILLOW SPRINGS DEAD ENDS. IT IS PAID OUT HERE. WE WILL PICK UP SHEDD ROAD. THE THREE-WAY INTERSECTION THAT IS OLDER. THIS WILL BE IMPROVED TO THE COUNTY STANDARDS UP TO THE EDGE OF THE PROPERTY AND INTO THE SITE. WHILE PROVIDING SIDEWALK ACCESS OUT OF THE SITE WHERE IT TERMINATES IN WILLOW SPRINGS NEAR HERE. AS PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT.

>> IMPROVED TO COUNTY STANDARDS. IT IS A DIRT ROAD?

>> PAVED ROAD? >> YES.

>> OKAY. >> THEY MENTIONED, DR HOLTON GOT THIS AM ON THE ROAD AROUND THIS WAY TO ALLOW FOR A 60 FOOT RIGHT-OF-WAY FOR THE ROAD TO BE IMPROVED AT SOME POINT IN THE

FUTURE. >> I DON'T KNOW THE NAME OF THE ROAD. BUT THE PAVED ROAD, WILLOW SPRINGS TURNED INTO A DIRT ROAD? AND CONTINUES ON TO 17?

>> YES SIR. >> THAT IS NOT ON THE MAP?

>> YES SIR. >> OKAY.

>> I CAN TOUCH ON STORMWATER REAL QUICK, BECAUSE I KNOW THAT WAS A CONCERN. IF I CAN FIND THE FULL SITE PLANNING. AS THEY MENTIONED PREVIOUSLY, STANDARD STORMWATER DESIGN FOR RULE OF THUMB IS 12% OF THE SITE FOR STORMWATER. UP TO 18%. I MEAN, 6% DOES NOT PROBABLY SOUND LIKE A LOT. ON A 21 ACRE SITES, YOU ARE OVER AN ACRE OF ADDITIONAL STORMWATER SET-ASIDE FOR THE CAPACITY. THE FLOW OF THE PROPERTY NORTH IS LEFT OF YOUR SCREEN. IF FLOWS FROM SOUTH TO NORTH. AND WEST TO EAST. THROUGH THE EXISTING DITCH.

THAT THEY SHOWED PREVIOUSLY. WHEN IT'S PICKED UP ON THE WESTERN PORTION HERE, THE PICKS UP THE DRAINAGE FROM THE PORTIONS OF THE PROPERTY ON WEST SIDE. OF THIS DEVELOPMENT.

IT CONVEYS THROUGHTHE SITE HERE. AND INTO THE WETLANDS

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MY PROFESSIONAL OPINION, WE WILL SIGNIFICANTLY BE IMPROVING THE STORMWATER IN THIS AREA AND OFF THE PROPERTY WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT. I'M ALSO HERE ALSO FOR FURTHER QUESTIONS.

>> ANY OF THE QUESTIONS? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I WILL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING. AND I WILL START OUT. I HAVE A LOT OF CARDS SO I WILL SAY THIS VERSE AND I WILL SAY WHO WAS ON DECK.

LET'S START WITH SHERRY WEBB. I'M SORRY? I DIDN'T KNOW SHE WANTED TO SPEAK. ALL RIGHT. HENKEL -- HANG ON A SECOND.

THIS IS A HOMEOWNER HERE? YES. DO YOU WANT THEM TO SPEAK? DO YOU WANT TO START WITH HIM? LET ME PUT YOU ON.

YOU WILL BE FIRST. >> MADAM CHAIR. THANK YOU.

CURTIS --, 3225, I'M PRESENTLY THE H AWAY PRESIDENTS FOR WILLOW SPRINGS. I'M A HOMEOWNER AND MAPQUEST.

WE HAVE 525 HOMES THERE. MY FELLOW HOMEOWNERS, THE WILLOW SPRINGS ROAD IS BEING USED AS A COUNTRY. I HEARD FELLOW COMMISSIONERS MENTIONED THE SHARED CONCERNS WE HAVE AS HOMEOWNERS THERE WITH THE ROADS. AS YOU HAVE BEEN BRIEFED AND/OR AWARE OF, COMING OFF A 315 ONTO WILLOW SPRINGS OPENS UP TO ABOUT 30 FEET. AND THE SLOWLY COLUMNS INTO ABOUT 25 FEET OR MAYBE A LITTLE BIT LESS THAN THAT. WE HAD ISSUES WITH THE WAY DR HORTON HAS IT SET UP. THE EASEMENTS IN THE STREETS. AS THE COMMISSIONERS POINTED OUT, IN THE DECEMBER MEETING, THEY DID IT NO JUSTICE AS FAR AS BEING NOT AS WIDE AS WE NEED. ONCE IT BECOMES A THOROUGHFARE, WE WILL HAVE MAJOR ISSUES WITH HOMEOWNERS HAVING TO PARK VEHICLES. ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD. IN FRONT OF THE HOUSE IS BECAUSE THE EASEMENT FROM THE GARAGE TO THE STREET AS A LADY POINTED OUT, THE PROPOSAL IS THE SAME AS WILLOW SPRINGS IS.

THE SAME THAT THEY ARE HORTON DID FOR WEST. IT DOESN'T LEAVE US ANY SPACE. WE HAD BUS COMPANIES GET IN TOUCH WITH HOA. BECAUSE OF CONGESTION OF THE STREETS, BUSES WILL NO LONGER COME DOWN BECAUSE OF THE OTHER CARS BEING PARKED ON THE SIDE. IT IS BEING TURNED INTO A THOROUGHFARE. PUTS THE KIDS AT RISK, FELLOW HOMEOWNERS. HOMEOWNERS ARE HAVING TO PARK ON THE SIDEWALK. THAT IS AN ISSUE WE ARE TRYING TO ADDRESS.

I'M NOT SURE HOW WE CAN DO IT BECAUSE IT IS A COUNTY ROAD.

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DR HORTON DID NO FAVORS AS FAR AS WHEN IT CAME TO FOLKS IN THE COMMITTEE MEETING AND ALL THAT. AS FAR AS TO WHAT THEY PUT IN FOR THE ROADS. I WILL ASK ANY OF YOU TO COME OUT AND TAKE A LOOK AT THAT. UNFORTUNATELY, THOSE RESPONSIBLE INDIVIDUALS ARE THE ONES WHO ARE CONCERNED ABOUT.

THERE IS AN ALARMING CONCERN PERTAINING IT BEING DRIVEN INTO A THOROUGHFARE . I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE FENCE OR THE GATE WAS NOT PART APPEARED I'M ACCESS TO -- I'M ANXIOUS TO HEAR ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED TO THAT. I'M HERE TO SPEAK ON THE ISSUE PERTAINED ON IT BEING TURNED INTO A THOROUGHFARE. I TRY TO CUT IT DOWN AS MUCH AS I COULD, AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

>> THANK YOU. OKAY, MISS WEBB? WE HAVE MISS WEBB. AND --. I PROBABLY BUTCHERED THAT NAME.

>> HI. I'M SHERRY WEBB. 211, TRACY WILLOW SPRINGS. I'M HERE. NOT FOR ALL LOGISTICS. I'M HERE AS A RESIDENT.

CHILDREN IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD ARE IMPORTANT TO ALL OF US WHETHER WE HAVE KIDS THAT ARE INVOLVED IN PLAYING OR NOT.

MORE THAN ONCE, I'VE BEEN GOING AT LOW SPEED AND HAD CHILDREN COME OUT OF NOWHERE. WE ARE SLAMMING ON BREAKS , AND IT'S THE ONLY THING SAVING THESE CHILDREN. THE NEIGHBORHOOD KNOWS EVERYBODY. WE ALL TRY TO PROTECT CHILDREN ON ALL ROADS AND ALL STOP SIGNS. WILLOW SPRINGS IS THE MAIN BUSY ROAD.

EVEN WITH JUST OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. YOU BRING IN MORE TRAFFIC AND MORE CARS AND MORE ROADS. CHILDREN ARE STILL CHILDREN. THEY DON'T KNOW HOW TO 100% PROTECT THEMSELVES.

IF WE ARE GETTING TWO NEIGHBORHOODS NOW ON ONE ROAD , IT'S GOING TO BE DIFFICULT FOR SAFETY PURPOSES. I UNDERSTAND.

BEFORE I GOT THERE, THAT NOTHING WAS DONE RIGHT ON WILLOW SPRINGS DRIVE. AND I'M SORRY FOR THAT. BUT MY BIG CONCERN IS, IT IS SAFETY. AND HOW DO WE PROTECT OUR CHILDREN?

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. >> THANK YOU, MISS WEBB.

TERRY? AND AFTER TARA, IS STACY.

>> THAT EVENING, LATEST ENTITLEMENT. MY NAME IS TERRY O NOTED. RETIRED OFFICER AND NOW RESIDENT. I CAME LAST MONTH TO SPEAK WITH YOU, THAT WAS MY FIRST ATTEMPT TO DEFEND MY NEW COUNTY I FINALLY GET TO CALL HOME. AFTER SEEING EVERYTHING THAT HAPPENED, I FELT OBLIGATED TO COME BACK TO THIS ONE A MONTH LATER TO SPEAK ABOUT THE SPECIFIC DEVELOPMENTS WHICH I SAW ON THE NEWS A COUPLE OF TIMES. I WANT TO START WITH ACKNOWLEDGING I TOTALLY AGREE AS A RESIDENT THERE WILL BE GROWTH IN THE COUNTY. THAT WAS MADE CLEAR LAST TIME AND THEY MADE A VERY SOUND ARGUMENT AS TO HOW THEY PLAN TO DO IT. IT WAS SOMETHING LIKE 3100 ACRES. I UNDERSTAND THE GROWTH. COMPARING DEVELOPMENT AND HOW THEY WERE DOING THINGS FROM WHAT I COULD SEE FROM MY PERSPECTIVE IN THIS? NIGHT AND DAY. ONE PERSON MENTIONED IT SEEMED LIKE , AN ENGINEERING NIGHTMARE. I HAD COME BACK AND TALK ABOUT IT. THE BIG FOCUS THAT WAS COVERED WAS THE WATER ISSUE. AND RIGHTLY SO. AN EQUALLY CRITICAL ISSUE IS THE STRUCTURE TAX WILL HAVE ON MICRO AND MACRO AS YOU GET OUT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. WILLOW SPRINGS AND MAGNOLIA BEING MENTIONED AND WE ARE BRIEFING IT TO YOU TODAY. BECAUSE THEY'RE LOCATED IN THE SAME AREA DOESN'T MEAN WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE SAME SITUATION. AS FAR AS ROAD STRUCTURE HERE, THE NEIGHBORHOODS DID NOT BRIEFED THE MAIN ACCESS POINT WOULD BE THROUGH ANOTHER NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WAS APPROVED. I WAS SURPRISED THEY ACTUALLY DID

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YOUR TIME. >> THANK YOU SIR.

>> AFTERWARDS, WE HAVE TREY ANDERSON.

>> HI. STACY REED. 3411 BROWN ROAD. AFTER SITTING THROUGH LAST MONTH'S MEETING, IT IS OBVIOUS THERE IS NO END TO GROWTH INSIGHTS. ONE THING I HEAR ABOUT IS HAVING RESPONSIBLE AND SMART GROWTH. IT REQUIRES INFRASTRUCTURE.

SHED ROAD DOES NOT HAVE THAT. THE DEVELOPER IS TALKING ABOUT HOW EVERYBODY WILL GO THROUGH THE SPRINGS BECAUSE IT IS A COUNTY ROAD. PEOPLE COME THE OTHER WAY DOWN SHED ROAD, IT IS A FACT. THEY KNOW THEY CAN GET TO 17 IF THEY COME UNDER DEVELOPMENT AND TAKE A RIGHT. IT IS A DIRT ROAD THAT TAKES ALMOST TWO MILES TO GET TO 17. THAT IS HOW THEY CAN TRAVEL.

I'VE HAD MULTIPLE TEAMS IN MY HOME WITH COMMISSIONER BURKE.

THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT AND EDMONTON JONES WHO HAS DONE THE FLOOD STUDY. THERE ARE NO EASY SOLUTIONS TO WHAT IS GOING ON ON SHED ROAD BETWEEN DRAINAGE AND HOW TO MAKE SHED ROAD BETTER AS FAR AS FLOODING AND DRAINAGE AND TRAFFIC. IT IS A PRIVATE ROAD THE COUNTY MAINTAINED. IT IS NOT ON THE LIST OF ROADS TO BE PAVED. THERE ARE OVER 20 PROPERTY OWNERS WHO WOULD GIVE UP THEIR RIGHTS TO THEIR FRONTAGE OF PROPERTY IN ORDER FOR THE COUNTY TO TAKE IT OVER IF THERE WAS MONEY FOR THEM TO PAINT. THERE ARE TRAFFIC CONCERNS AND WE ARE WATCHING THE CARS FLY DOWN THE ROAD. AT UNGODLY SPEEDS. THEY CAN SAY THEY CAN PUT UP SPEED LIMITS AND CAUTION SIGNS BUT THEY DO NOT WORK. THEY DON'T. IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO FLY DOWN A WORD -- A ROAD, THEY ARE GOING TO. THE FLOODING AND DRAINAGE ISSUES CREATED FROM SEVERAL HOURS OF RAIN , NOT EVEN A HURRICANE , JUST A --. THE ROAD WAS COMPLETELY UNDERWATER. THEY SENT OUT TRAVEL ADVISORIES SO PEOPLE WOULD NOT TRAVEL DOWN SHED ROAD BECAUSE IT WAS UNDERWATER. I LIVE ON BROWN ROAD WHICH IS A MILE AND A HALF OF THE OPPOSITE AND CLOSER TO GARBER. I HAVE VIDEOS I CAN SHOW YOU WITH THE AMOUNT OF STORMWATER PREACHING. RAGING THROUGH MY YARD. I MEAN RAGING THROUGH MY YARD. YOU CANNOT BELIEVE IT UNLESS YOU SEE IT. ISSUES, DRAINING, FLOODING AND TRAFFIC. WE KNOW GROWTH IS COMING AND IT'S HARD TO STOP.

THERE HAS TO BE INFRASTRUCTURE TO SUPPORT IT. THERE IS NOT THAT IN THIS AREA AND I ASK YOU CONSIDER BEFORE YOU VOTE.

THANK YOU. >> KATIE MARQUEZ?

>> BEFORE I GET STARTED, I DO HAVE SOME PICTURES FOR. ALL THE PICTURES DEPICT DID THIS THE FIRST HOUSE DOWN IN ABOUT HALF A MILE FROM WHERE WILLOW SPRINGS ENDS.

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>> CAN YOU SPEAK MORE INTO THE MIC?

>> WHEN YOU COME OUT OF WILLOW SPRINGS TO TURN TO TO DIRT ROAD ON THE FIRST HOUSE ON THE RIGHT. THESE ARE PICTURES WITHIN TWO OR THREE NEIGHBORS OF OURS. DECEMBER 17TH THIS YEAR. GOOD EVENING, MY NAME IS -- ANDERSON. I LIVE ABOUT 1577 SHED ROAD SPRINGS. I TRAVEL SHED ROAD FOR MORE THAN 40 YEARS, DRIVING. IT IS ALWAYS BEEN PRONE TO FLOODING, IT IS NOT COMPARED TO THE WAY OF FLOODS NOW. BACK IN NOVEMBER OF 27TH OF 2018, RESIDENTS WERE MADE PROMISES BY DR HORTON RIGHT HERE IN THE BOARDROOM THAT WERE NOT UPHELD.

RESIDENTS OF WILLOW SPRINGS WOULD NOT HAVE ACCESS BACK DOWN SHED ROAD DUE TO CONDITIONS OF THE ROAD BEING NOT ABLE TO SUPPORT ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC. 380 HOMES BROUGHT MORE VEHICLES WITH ACCESS TO A MORE POORLY DEVELOPED ROAD. IT IS MORE LIKE A CREEP BED, KISSING THE PICTURES THAT A PROPER ROAD. NOT TO MENTION, A LOT OF HOMEOWNERS BROUGHT THE KIDS GOLF CARTS, DIRT BIKES , SIDE BY SIDE TO GO UP ALONG AND DOWN THE ROAD ADDING TO THE ROAD ISSUES. DRIVING AND READING THE DISHES, DESTROYING DRAINAGE AND SITTING ON THE ROAD DIGGING HOLES IN THE TIRES. WITH LITTLE TO NO POLICE PRESENCE EVER ON THE ROAD. OTHER DRIVERS AND THEIR DOUBLES KNOW IT IS A PLACE TO COME AND PLAY. ESPECIALLY AFTER THE RAIN. TALKING ABOUT THE FUTURE OF SHED ROAD AND THE SURROUNDING AREAS. WE WERE TOLD IN A MONTH THEY WOULD BE ANOTHER MEETING WERE OTHER RESIDENTS OF THE ROAD WILL BE PRESENTED WITH WHAT GIVING UP FRONTAGE WOULD LOOK LIKE FOR EACH LANDOWNER IN AN EFFORT TO TALK ABOUT PAVING THE ROAD FOR CLOSING ACCESS. FIVE MONTHS LATER AS OF JANUARY WE HAVE NOT HAD THESE ADDITIONAL TOPICS. I'VE BEEN PUT OFF BY THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS FOR TWO YEARS.

CLOSING THE PORTION OF EASEMENT NOBODY HAS ACCESS TO BESIDES OUR LAND. THE FIRST ONE 50 FOOT OF FRONTAGE HAS BEEN CLOSED A YEAR AGO. IT IS NOT DUE TO BE COMPLETED UNTIL SPRING OF 2024.

AT THIS POINT, I CANNOT FATHOM ENTERTAINING THE IDEA OF GIVING THE DEVELOPER THE GO AHEAD OF BUILDING 62 HOMES ON SHED ROAD UNTIL THE STUDIES HAVE BEEN COMPLETED. DISCUSSION SHOULD BE TABLED TO AT LEAST HALF THE STUDY. THINK HE.

>> THANK YOU, SIR. KATIE AND THEN RYAN MARQUEZ?

>> FROM WHAT I SPOKE TO LAST TIME. WE ARE AWARE AT THE LACK OF INFRASTRUCTURE , FLOODING, SPEEDING, TROUBLE WITH EMS AND BUSES. WE ARE ASKING TO THINK ABOUT THE SAFETY OF THE AREA BEFORE CHANGING ZONING. THE PROPOSED SITE WILL HAVE ONE ENTRANCE AND AN EXIT OUT WHICH WILL BE WILLOW SPRINGS NEIGHBORHOOD SHED ROAD. PAVING A SMALL PORTION OF SHED ROAD TO CONNECT TO WILLOW SPRINGS WILL NOT HELP THE SITUATION.

PAVING THE ENTIRE SHED ROAD WILL NOT HELP THE SITUATION.

ADDING 62 HOMES WILL EVEN ADD TO THE CHAOS ALREADY PRESENT IN THIS AREA. CLAY COUNTY DOES NOT WANT MORE TRUCK COMES AROUND.

THERE ARE MANY ALL OVER THE COUNTY AND MORE COMING IN THE FUTURE. I FAMILY DOES NOT WANT TO BE CLOSED AND SURROUNDED BY COOKIE-CUTTER HOMES. YOU CAN SEE ON THE PROPOSED SITE THE FLOW OF THE WATER MAKING THE RETENTION FLOW MORE TOWARDS SHED ROAD , THAT'S NOT THE ANSWER. I KNOW ONE FAMILY WITH FOUNDATION ISSUES FROM THE MORE RECENT FLOODING. THEN THERE HAS BEEN , THE HOUSE IS BEEN THERE FOR 23 YEARS.

WHAT'LL HAPPEN TO MY POND AND MY PROPERTY? WHAT ABOUT MY WATER SUPPLY TO CHANGE THE WATER TABLE? WE ARE FAMILIAR WITH THE WATER CYCLE. THE ENGINEER SAID AT THE MEETING THEY ADDED ONE MORE RETENTION POND TO HANDLE THE AMOUNT OF WATER AND THIS WILL MAGICALLY FIX THE WATER ISSUES. I FIND IT HARD TO BELIEVE. I KNOW THE DECISION BEING MADE TONIGHT WILL AFFECT MORE THAN WHAT IS HERE. PEOPLE ON SHED ROAD, MITZIE ROAD, BROWN, RIVER, 315 AND 17 WILL FEEL THE IMPACT

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THAT IS ONE OF THE REASONS MANY FAMILIES CHOOSE THIS COUNTY. THERE IS NO REASON TO CHANGE THE ZONING. IF THEY WANT TO BUILD , BUILD WITH THE CURRENT ZONING WITH NO BEAUTY.

THANK YOU. WITH NO PUD. THANK YOU.

>> LINE. AND THEN WE HAVE, JANE? JANE HANSFORD?

>> GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS. I AM RYAN.

LIVING IN 1699 SHED ROAD. THE REZONING OF 1679 WILL TAKE AWAY FROM THE RURAL COUNTRY AREA THAT SHED ROAD IS KNOWN FOR.

IT IS ALSO A SAFETY CONCERN WITH ONE WAY IN AND ONE WAY OUT WITH ALL THESE ROADS. IT WILL NOT BENEFIT ANY OF THE PEOPLE IN THIS AREA OR EMERGENCY PERSONNEL. WE HAVE GONE FOR THE TRAVEL CONGESTION AND SOMEHOW WILL NOT HAPPEN WITH OVER 100 VEHICLES COMING AND GOING. WE CAN TALK ABOUT THE WETLANDS BEEN HERE FOR OVER 50 YEARS. IF YOU WANT , I HAVE SOME PRINTOUTS THAT ARE PRINTED OUT. THIS ONE IS FROM 1953. AS WELL IS IMPORTANT ACRE AND POND TREES THAT'LL BE DESTROYED. IF WE ALLOWED THE COMMUNITIES TO BE DESTROYED BY DEVELOPERS, THAT WILL NOT BE ANY MORE SPACE FOR THE WILDLIFE TO GO. THE AMOUNT THAT WILL HAVE TO BE CALLED AND WILL CHANGE THE LANDSCAPE. BUT ALSO THE FLOW OF THE WATER INSTEAD OF THE NATIONAL FLOW. THIS AFFECTS ALL HOMES IN THE RURAL COMMUNITY. LET'S BE CLEAR. THEY'RE NOT LOOKING OUT FOR THE BEST INTEREST OF US BUT THE BEST INTEREST OF THEMSELVES AND WITH CAN SQUEEZE INTO AN ACRE PROPERTY WITHOUT TOO MUCH PUSHBACK. I WANT TO ADD A COUPLE OF MY THINGS. AT THE COMMUNITY MEETING, THEY HAD ON THE 20TH OF DECEMBER. THEY WERE ADAMANT ABOUT THE TEAM AND RESIDENTS WORKING TOGETHER TO HAVE THE COUNTY FIXED THE PLOTTING -- THE FLOODING OF THE ROAD AND THE IMMINENT DOMAIN BECAUSE IT IS A COUNTY ROAD. A LOT OF PEOPLE WANT TO HAVE PAVING ON SHED ROAD BUT THE NOT THE ONE SLIPPING ON SHED ROAD THAT'LL USE THE FRONTAGE. IT'LL BE TAKEN AWAY. LIKE DEVELOPER SUGGEST THE DEVELOPER DOESN'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE COUNTY. THEY DID NOT EVEN KNOW THE COUNTY BUDGET IS AT MAX. WE CANNOT AFFORD TO PAY FOR THE DIRT ROADS TO FIX PROBLEMS THE DEVELOPMENT WILL MOST LIKELY CAUSE. THE ORANGE AND YELLOW SIGNS ON THE REZONING HAVE BEEN -- HAVE SINCE BEEN PULLED UP SINCE COMMUNITY MEETING. THE DEVELOPER ON THE 20TH OF DECEMBER. I'M NOT SURE IF THERE WAS NEGLECT OR MISTAKE.

EITHER WAY, THE SCIENCE WAS SUPPOSED TO STAY UP THERE UNTIL

THE DECISION HAS BEEN MADE. >> STANFORD? AND THEN, --.

>> I HAVE A PICTURE ON MY PHONE. TAKEN WHEN WE HAD

REPRESENTATIVE. OUT. >> CAN YOU GIVE US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS PLEASE? AND PULL THE MICROPHONE DOWN BECAUSE WE

CANNOT HEAR YOU. >> JANE SHED HANSFORD, 3461 WILLIE WALKER LANE. A REPRESENTATIVE CAME OUT RECENTLY AND , THIS IS THE WATER FLOW ON MY PROPERTY. I'M SURE HE PROBABLY CANNOT SEE FROM THERE. IT WAS GUSHING

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WHAT'LL HAPPEN TO THAT? THE FIRST ONE IS WHAT WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH REPORT AND FLOODING THE PROPERTY. I WANT TO START OUT BY SAYING THE ONE AND ONLY SIGNS THAT WERE PLACED WERE NOT PLACED AT THE GENERAL PUBLIC COULD HAVE BEEN AWARE OF THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT. THIS IS UNFAIR TO THE FAMILY COMMUNITY AND RESIDENTS OF SHED ROAD. REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE COUNTY CAME OUT TO SEE THE FLOODING ISSUES . NOT ONLY ON MY PROPERTY, BUT MY STEPBROTHER, THOMAS RUSSELLS PROPERTY ALONG WITH THE FLOODING THAT THE RECENT FLOODING THAT WAS ALREADY DISCUSSED ON SHED ROAD. IT HAS BEEN CLOSED BUT I KNOW AT LEAST TWICE. IN 2023 ONE OF THE PERSONS AFFILIATED WITH THE DEVELOPMENT ON THE FLOODING ISSUES. SHE TOLD ME IT WAS NOT THE PROBLEM, BUT MY PROBLEM. I NEEDED TO HIRE A LAWYER. IF I WANTED ANYTHING RESOLVED. I ALSO SAID I WANTED THE CURRENT OFFENSE TO STAY -- THE CURRENT OFFENSE TO STAY , I WAS TOLD IT WOULD BE TAKEN DOWN. I KNOW MY CONCERNS ARE NOT THEIRS. CONCERNING 315 TRAFFIC HAS TRIPLED WITH MORE HOMES BEING BUILT AROUND THE CORNER BY FUZZY LENA. HOW MUCH MORE CAN OUR COUNTY , 315 ROAD , HANDLE WITH EVERYONE COMING THROUGH IN HIGHWAY 16? COMING ACROSS 315 ON A HILL. WE HAVE PEOPLE TURNING AROUND AT THE CORNER WHERE THE PAVEMENT MEETS THE ROAD THIS IS NOT AN IDEAL LOCATION AND SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO PASS. THERE WERE MORE PLACES SUITABLE TO PUT MORE HOMES. THAT'S MY OPINION. I KNOW YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'VE BEEN GOING THROUGH. WE'VE BEEN GOING THROUGH THIS A LOT EVER SINCE MAGNOLIA WEST WAS BUILT. AND WE ARE TIRED OF THE AND SICK OF IT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. I APPRECIATE IT. AND GOD BLESS AND HAVE A GOOD NEW YEAR.

>> THANK YOU. MISS HANFORD. >> AND THEN, WE HAVE SARAH --.

GOOD EVENING. >> CAN YOU GIVE US YOUR NAME

AND ADDRESS? >> MY NAME IS FENNELLY FOR YOU. I LIVE ON THREE 375 BROWN ROAD ON THE CORNER OF SHED AND BROWN. BEFORE YOU VOTE. THE KIDS AND WRITE A YIKES, WALK THE DOGS AND CATCH THE BUS. THE CARS WILL NOT ALLOW LIST.

EXTRA CARS WILL NOT ALLOW US TO BE KIDS. THANK YOU FOR YOUR

TIME. >> THANK YOU. SARAH? GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS SARAH BROUSSEAU. I'M A HOMEOWNER AND 21 -- COURT IN WILLOW SPRINGS. I'M A MILITARY VETERAN AND DECIDED TO SETTLE DOWN HERE TO RINSE MY FAMILY.

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WILLOW SPRINGS DRIVE IS A READY NOT WIDE ENOUGH TO ACCOMMODATE THE CURRENT FLOW TO A TRAFFIC ESPECIALLY WHEN CARS ARE PARKED ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD. WE ALREADY HAVE ISSUES WITH PEOPLE SPEEDING THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND IGNORING STOP SIGNS. WE HAVE ISSUES WITH SCHOOL BUSES AND EMERGENCY VEHICLES AND NOT BEING ABLE TO GET THROUGH. THE DEVELOPMENT WILL CAUSE TRAFFIC TO INCREASE SUBSTANTIALLY AS A RESULT WILL RESULT IN SIGNIFICANT INCREASED DANGER TO THE CHILDREN AND RESIDENTS. IT SEEMS THE NEW DEVELOPMENT IS BEING RUSHED THROUGH WITHOUT PROPER CONSIDERATION FOR SAFETY AND OF THE STRUCTURE. AND I AND MY CHILDREN ASK YOU NOT APPROVE

THE REZONING. THANK YOU. >> ALL RIGHT, THAT'S ALL THE CARDS I HAVE. IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE THAT WANTS TO SHARE THEIR VIEWS ON THE AGENDA ITEM? YES SIR?

>> TROY ANDERSON, 1577 SHED ROAD. YOU ASKED ABOUT WHAT HAD HAPPENED WITH THE WILLOW SPRINGS FENCE DEAL. BACK IN 2018, I BELIEVE FOR THE RESIDENTS OF SHED ROAD HAD MET WITH DR HORTON OUTSIDE THESE DOORS. AND THEY PROPOSE TO US THAT THEY WOULD MAKE IT TO WHERE THE RESIDENCE WOULD NOT HAVE ACCESS BACK DOWN THE ROAD BECAUSE OF HOW POORLY MAINTAINED AND YOU KNOW, WE CANNOT HANDLE THE EXTRA TRAFFIC AS IT IS. AFTER DR HORTON STARTED BUILDING , THEY BASICALLY TOLD ME WHAT HAPPENED TO THAT? THINGS CHANGE. WE COULD NOT BLOCK IT OFF BECAUSE WE NEEDED TO HAVE TWO EQUAL DRESSES TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. I'M SORRY ABOUT YOUR LUCK.

THAT'S PROBABLY WHAT HE -- . THE COMMITTEE MADE A PROMISE THEY WOULD HOLD THEM TO WHAT HE SAID HE WOULD DO, AND THEY DID.

SO, HERE WE ARE, FIVE YEARS LATER, SIX YEARS LATER, YOU KNOW? TALKING ABOUT PUTTING MY TRAFFIC. HE TOLD ME, NOBODY'S GOING TO TRAVEL IT ANYWAY. IT'S AN OLD DIRT ROAD. NOBODY WILL GO OUT THE SAND, THEY WILL GO OUT THE OTHER END. I'VE BEEN HERE 21 YEARS. TRAFFIC NOW, I GET THERE TO CARS AN HOUR DOWN THE ROAD. USED TO BE THREE. AND I MEAN, IT IS COMPLETELY CHANGING. EVERYBODY TRIES LIKE THEY HAVE NO COMMON SENSE OUT THERE. I JUST WANTED TO LET YOU GUYS KNOW WHAT HAD ACTUALLY HAPPENED WITH THAT. THERE IS AN ARTICLE IN THE CLAY TODAY ONLINE . NEW HOUSING DEVELOPMENT THAT MAY SHORTLY LIVE. HE DISCUSSES THIS EXACT NIGHT AND PROMISE OF THEM CLOSING OFF SHED ROAD IN CASE YOU WANT TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT.

THANK YOU. >> YES SIR?

>> WHAT'S THIS. >> DO YOU HAVE A COPY OF THAT?

>> I HAVE THE URL RIGHT HERE FOR IF YOU WOULD LIKE IT.

>> I WOULD. >> SHORT.

>> THAT IS THE URL FOR THE CLAY TODAY.

>> I WANT TO TAKE A PICTURE OF IT. OKAY. OKAY. THEY ORIGINALLY TOLD. WE SPOKE TO THE HOMEOWNERS AND TOLD THEM SOMEBODY WOULD HAVE TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR IT, SO THEY DECIDED NOT TO. I KNOW THEY DID NOT SPEAK TO ME AND THEY DID NOT SPEAK TO YOU GUYS. ON THE SAME MATTER.

>> WE HAVE TO HAVE A LAWYER AND START A NEIGHBORHOOD. I'M SORRY. WE HAD TO BASICALLY START A NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. MAINTAINED THE GATES AND MAINTAIN THE CODE AND DO ALL THIS OTHER STUFF. THEY WILL GIVE US THE STRIP OF LAND TO PUT IT ON AND WE HAD TO DO EVERYTHING ELSE. THAT IS

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>> THANK YOU. ANYBODY ELSE HAS NOT SPOKEN ? I WILL CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING. WITH THE APPLICANT LIKE TO SHARE THEIR

THOUGHTS PLEASE? >> I WANT TO ADD. MY COUNTERPART WHO IS NOT HERE SENSE ME MEETING MINUTES WERE FRANK MILLER THE ATTORNEY WHO IS THE AGENTS FOR THE DR HORTON DEVELOPMENT PROMISED EXACTLY WHAT THE RESIDENCE HAD STATED. I DID NOT HAVE THE INFORMATION FOR WHITE DISAPPEARED. FOR WHITE WAS ENLIGHTENING. A COUPLE OF POINTS TO ADD. WE HEARD THE SAME CONCERNS ABOUT STORMWATER AND FLOODING ALONG THE ROAD. AS WELL AS TRAFFIC CONGESTION WITH WILLOW SPRINGS. THINGS BEYOND OUR CONTROL AS PROPERTY OWNERS. WE DISCOVERED AS PART OF THE RESEARCH WITH THE MAPS AND EVERYTHING THAT THE RIGHT AWAY FOR THE DRIVE IS 60 FEET WIDE. IT NARROWS DOWN SIGNIFICANTLY AS YOU GET TOWARDS THE CUL-DE-SAC AND SHED ROAD. BUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD DOES HAVE THE STANDARD 60 FEET OF RIGHT AWAY SO THAT THE ROAD COULD POTENTIALLY BE WIDENED TO ALLOW FOR THE WIDER ROADWAY IF ANYTHING BECAME A PRIORITY FOR THE COUNTY. THE ONLY THING I WANT TO ADD IS WE DID NOT REMOVE THE SIGNS. WE HAD THEM POSTED AHEAD OF THE DECEMBER MEETING. WE DID NOT REMOVE THEM . IF THEY WERE REMOVED, IT WAS NOT BY THE APPLICANTS FOR ANYBODY ASSOCIATED WITH THE DEVELOPMENT TEAM. OTHER THAN THAT, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS IN MY ENGINEER IS AS

WELL . >> ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?

>> WE'VE ALREADY CLOSED THE PUBLIC COMMENT. HOLD ON, HOLD ON. HOLD ON. YOU ARE NOT ON THE MICROPHONE. AND WE HAVE CLOSED THE PUBLIC COMMENT. THE PORTION OF THE HEARING.

>>

>> NOTHING ADDITIONAL. BUT THE PLAT DOES SHOW 60 FEET OF RIGHT OF WAY. NOT ROAD, BUT 60 FEET OF RIGHT AWAY. THANK YOU.

>> I'LL BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMITTEE FOR DISCUSSION. YES

SIR? >> I'M SURE THEY HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS HERE. MY CONCERN IS THE GATE THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE DIRECTED AT THE END OF THAT ROAD , THAT IS NO LONGER THERE. I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THAT INFORMATION? BECAUSE, WHAT HAPPENS AT THE COUNTY DECIDES THE ROAD IS STILL PRIVATE? IF THE COUNTY DECIDES TO TURN THIS INTO A DEAD-END?" THE ACCESS OFF COMING OFF SHED ROAD. THE TRAFFIC WILL HAVE TO BE AT 17 OR THE WILLOW SPRINGS AND NOT BEING CUT THROUGH ANY LONGER. WHAT'LL HAPPEN IN THE PARTICULAR CASE. COULD POTENTIALLY HAPPEN? DID THEY ACCEPT THE ROAD? I'M GOING TO GIVE THE FLOOR TO RALPH.

>> DID YOU SAY IT WAS A PRIVATE ROAD?

>> THAT'S WHAT THEY WERE SAYING.

>> LET THEM EXPLAIN IT. IT IS A PRESCRIPTIVE ROAD. IT IS

KIND OF AN ODDBALL. >> SHED ROAD IS ALL OF THE

ABOVE. >> YES.

>> SO, THE FIRST PORTION OF SHED ROAD, WHICH IS ALONG THE -- AREA, IS A COUNTY OWNED ROAD. RIGHT AFTER THAT IT GOES DOWN TO THE PRESCRIPTIVE ROAD. IT BECOMES A COUNTY ROAD.

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ONCE THE STUDY IS COMPLETE, THERE WILL BE A WORKSHOP IS HOW I ENVISION IT WITH ANYBODY WHO LIVES AROUND AND ON AND NEAR THE ROAD. INVITED TO IT. THEY WILL HAVE TO BE DECISIONS MADE. THE DESCRIPTIVE PART CANNOT BE WHERE IT IS. THERE'S A GOOD PORTION OF THAT ROAD THAT IS THAT. THAT IS

PRESCRIPTIVE. >> PRIVATELY HELD AND THE

COUNT HAS EXCESS. >> IT IS BASICALLY PRESCRIPTIVE ROAD. THE COUNTY STARTED GRADING AT SOME POINT IN TIME.

SO NOW WE HAVE THE PRESCRIPTIVE RIGHTS TO JUST GRADE WHAT OUR READER CURRENTLY TOUCHES. IT IS A DITCH WHEN IT RAINS. THE ROAD IS A DITCH. WE CANNOT GO IN THERE IN MANY SECTIONS OF IT AND ADD BECAUSE WE DON'T OWN PAST WHAT WE OWN IT. WE HAD LOTS OF MEETINGS WITH IT TRYING TO MAKE THE BEST OF IT, LEMONADE OUT OF LEMONS. WE'VE DONE IMPROVEMENTS ACROSS SHED ROAD TO TRY TO HELP THAT. I MEAN, IT'S ONE OF THE PERFECT STORM KIND OF THINGS. IF YOU LOOK AT THE FLOOD MAP. FEMA. IT STOPS NORTH OF SHED ROAD.

IT DOESN'T EVEN CONTINUE BEYOND THAT. YOU CAN LOOK AT THE MAPS TO SEE HOW IT'S WET IN CERTAIN AREAS. THE THEME IS MAPS DON'T EVEN. WE ASKED FEMA TO CONTINUE THE MAPS AND WE ASKED FEMA RECENTLY IF WE CAN GIVE THEM SOME OF JONES EDMUNDS INFORMATION TO ADDED TO THE FLOOD MAPS. WERE TRYING TO COME UP WITH SOLUTIONS. LIKE SOMEBODY SAID. IF THEY WANT THE ROAD TO BECOME A COUNTY MAINTAINED UPGRADED 60 FOOT RIGHT-OF-WAY SOMEBODY WILL HAVE TO GIVE UP SOME. IT'S NOT GOING TO BE SOLVED HERE TODAY. THANK YOU. CAN EVER BE IN

EXCESS GATE? >> THIS IS WHAT I RECOLLECT FROM THAT. MY CONCERNS ARE IF IT SHOULD END BADLY , THEY WILL COME DOWN OFF A 17 DOWN SHED ROAD VERSUS THEM COMING OFF WILLOW. I DON'T KNOW WHICH WAY IT'S GOING NOW.

>> I DON'T THINK THAT'LL HAPPEN. I THINK DODIE IS RIGHT IN HER THOUGHT PROCESS. SOME OF THE GUYS WILL REMEMBER THIS WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT IT A FEW YEARS AGO. THERE WAS A CONVERSATION ABOUT THE GATE. FOR THE WESTERN END OF SHED ROAD. WHAT I RECALL, DALE SMITH WAS THE ENGINEER AT THE TIME. ONCE THE CONVERSATION WAS HAD HERE IN A MEETING SETTING, THEY WENT OUT THE DOOR. A WHOLE GROUP OF THEM HAD A COUPLE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THE GATE. NEXT THING I HEARD AT THE TIME I WAS OVER ENGINEER AND ALL THAT GOOD STUFF. I HEARD THEY MADE A DECISION TO DO AWAY WITH THE GATE BECAUSE OF THE OTHER MOVING PARTS. THAT'S WHAT I CAN SAY ABOUT THE GATE. WE HAVE TO SEE HOW BIG THE SUBDIVISION IS. PAVEMENT AND IN THE COMMENTS? ANY OTHER

COMMENTS. >> NOT YET.

>> AT LEAST I WASN'T IMAGINING THE GATE BECAUSE I REMEMBER THE CONVERSATION VERY WELL TOO. I REMEMBER DEVELOPER STANDING UP HERE AND SAYING THEY WOULD PUT A GATE END. SOME OF THIS IS MY RECOLLECTION. THERE WOULD BE AN EMERGENCY THE SUBDIVISION IF IT WAS REQUIRED. TRUTH IS, YOU CAN SEE IT BECAUSE THEY HAVE A COLD SUCK ON THE ROAD BEFORE IT GOES OUT. I DON'T THINK WE'LL HAVE THE CONVERSATION BECAUSE ACCESS WOULD BE SHED ROAD, END OF STORY. THE QUESTION WILL BE

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AT THE END OF THE DAY. I WANT TO TAKE A MINUTE TO COMPLEMENT THE DEVELOPER ON A COUPLE OF THINGS. WE HAVE TO ESTABLISH LONGER DRIVEWAYS. 25 FOOT MINIMUM. WHICH THEY HAVE DONE AND I CONGRATULATE THEM FOR DOING IT. I LIKE THAT THEY CAME BACK TO ADDED BUFFERS. BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO SOLVE THE WEDDING PROBLEM. IT IS A PRIVATE ROAD BASICALLY.

THE COUNTY MAINTAINS IT BUT THEY CANNOT DO ANYTHING MORE ABOUT IT. THE SAD PART IS PEOPLE WE USE IT WHEN THE WEATHER IS GOOD AND WHEN IT IS FLOODED THEY WILL NOT USE IT.

IT WILL GO THROUGH WILLOW SPRINGS INSTEAD. WIDE ROAD.

IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A CUL-DE-SAC. WE WERE NOT PLANNING ON HAVING A LOT OF CARS GO DOWN THAT ROAD. THERE NEEDS TO BE A WAY TO MOVE PEOPLE . THIS IS AN ISOLATED.

I KNOW IT IS SURROUNDED SORT OF BY DEVELOPMENT. IF YOU LOOK AT THE BIGGER MAP, WE ARE CREATING AN ISLAND OF AR PROPERTY. AR, I THINK IT IS WHAT A LOT OF IT IS. IT DEPENDS ON WHICH WAY YOU HOLD THE MAP. WE ARE ACTUALLY SLICING OFF A PIECE OF AR BY PUTTING THIS DEVELOPMENT IN. AND I THINK AT THE END OF THE DAY, I AGAIN WOULD LIKE TO THANK THE DEVELOPERS FOR TAKING CARE OF A COUPLE OF THE PARKING ISSUES WHICH WE HAVE SEEN OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN. SHOULD BE IN OUR CODE REQUIRING THIS. BUT THEY DID IT VOLUNTARILY.

AT THE END OF THE DAY, THERE IS ALWAYS THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. ANYBODY THAT HAS BEEN OUT IN THAT AREA KNOWS THAT WE ARE TRYING TO DROP A SUBDIVISION IN AN AREA WHERE IT DOES NOT FIT. MAYBE IT'LL EVENTUALLY BEGIN GET IT STRAIGHTENED OUT. ONE OF THE DEVELOPERS HOW WE LOOK AT THE ROAD CONNECTED BACK TO 315. YOU CANNOT GO THROUGH WILLOW SPRINGS WITH ALL OF THAT. IT DOESN'T FIT THE AREA. IT IS NOT ABOUT DEVELOPMENT AND I KIND OF LIKE IT ACTUALLY WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE WEIGHT IS LAID OUT. SOME OF THE REQUIREMENTS OF IT. IT IS THE RIGHT DEVELOPMENT BUT IT IS IN THE WRONG SPOT. WE NEED TO FIND A PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT HAS, WHERE IT IS MORE APPROPRIATE TO PUT THIS. THAT IS ALL.

>> THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE AND HAVING HER VOICE HEARD. A YOUNG CHILD GOT UP AND SPOKE LAST MEETING. A COUPLE OF KIDS ALSO GOT UP AND SPOKE NOW. IT IS COOL THAT PARENTS ARE GETTING THE KIDS INVOLVED. HOPEFULLY THAT'S A LESSON THAT --. THE ONLY TIME WE HEAR PEOPLE IS WHEN THEY ARE

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>> WHAT ABOUT A CONCURRENCY? >> IN REGARDS TO CONCURRENCY FOR THE SUBDIVISION, THE APPLICANT HAS APPLIED FOR THE CONCURRENCY. IT WAS OBTAINED . THERE IS NOT SPACE IN THE SERVICE AREA . THERE IS SPACE AVAILABLE. BASED ON THE STATES THAT SHE HAD TO PROVIDE THE CONCURRENCY FOR THE SPACE AVAILABLE. I DID WANT TO MAKE ONE COMMENT. THE SCHOOLS WITHIN WALKING DISTANCE OF THE SUBDIVISION. THEREFORE, THE SAFE ROUTE TO SCHOOL HAS TO BE PROVIDED. THE APPLICANT AGREED TO PROVIDE A SIDEWALK TO WILLOW SPRINGS. HOWEVER. WITH THAT BEING SAID, THE SAFE ROAD WILL BE GOING THROUGH THE WILLOW SPRING SUBDIVISION AND CUTTING THROUGH A CUL-DE-SAC AND THEN GOING OUT TO 315. A CUL-DE-SAC IS NOT ON THE PUBLIC RIGHT-OF-WAY . IT IS WITHIN WILLOW SPRINGS WITH THE THE PRIVATE COLLEGE SACK -- CUL-DE-SAC OF WILLOW SPRINGS.

THAT'S THE SAFE ROAD TO THOSE PROVIDED. THEY DO HAVE CONCURRENCY. MY VOTE WILL GO WITH THAT. I DON'T NECESSARILY AGREE THE SPRING SUBDIVISION HAS TO PROVIDE THE STATE ROUTE FOR THE STUDENTS. AS FAR AS THE PRIVATE PORTION OF THAT.

>> LET ME SHARE MY THOUGHTS ON THIS. I SPENT TWO HOURS WALKING THAT SITE MY OVERALL FEELING ABOUT THAT OUT THERE.

NOT JUST 20 DEGREES. THAT IS A WATERSHED. THE WHOLE THING IS A WATERSHED. IT EXTENDED ALL THE WAY UP TO WHERE MAGNOLIA WEST IS. THE MAGNOLIA WEST IS BUILT. THE WATERSHED DOES NOT

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LOOK AT WHERE THE LINE IS. THERE'S A LINE THAT RUNS DIRECTLY ACROSS. IT COMES DOWN THROUGH HERE. IT'S EXCEEDING THE BOUNDS OF TRIBUTARY AND IS FLOODING THE LAND. IT HAD STANDING WATER ALL OVER IT. MOVING ON DOWN. THE 40 ACRES TO THE EAST OF THAT. IT IS TRULY WHAT. SHED ROAD WHEN I CAME DOWN WAS A MUD RIPPER. THEY DUMPED THREE LOADS OF SAND TO STABILIZE IT. BUT IT WAS A MESS. THE INTERSECTION AT WALL ROAD WAS FLOODED. THE WATER IS CONTINUING ON. COMING OUT OF THE 40 ACRE ON THE WEST SIDE LOOK LIKE WATERFALLS COMING OVER THE SIDE OF THE ROAD GOING INTO THAT. IT IS GOING TOWARDS BROWN ROAD AND RAILROAD TRACK. I DON'T SEE HOW THEY CAN BUILD THREE RETENTION PONDS. WATER IS GOING TO FIND A WAY. IT'S GOING TO FURTHER IN THIS OPEN AREA. SOME OF THESE PEOPLE HAVE BEEN OUT HERE FOR THREE GENERATIONS. ALMOST LIKE THEY FOUND THE PROPERTY. GOING THROUGH WILLOW SPRINGS IS THE WRONG THING TO DO. THE TRAFFIC IS LIKE WATER AND IT'LL FIND THE PATH OF LEAST RESISTANCE. IT'LL GO STRAIGHT DOWN THAT ROAD TO HIT 17. AND THEN THEY HAVE TO COME BACK AROUND IN 315 AND THEY HAVE TO GO OVER TO RUSSELL ROAD AND GO STRAIGHT ON OVER THE ROAD TRUCK'S. THEY WILL COME UP TO THE STOP LIGHT JAMMED UP WITH THE TRAFFIC. DEVELOPMENT IS GOING ON DOWN THE ROAD IN THOSE PLACES. IT WON'T TAKE LONG TO FIGURE OUT THE BEST WAY TO GET OUT IS DOWN THAT ROAD. IT IS NOTHING BUT A GRAVEL ROAD. IT IS NOT SUITABLE FOR HEAVY TRAFFIC.

IT'S NOT TIME FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT. I AGREE WITH WHAT EVERYBODY SAID. IT HAS CAUSED LIFE TO GO DOWNHILL. THAT'S

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>> I CAN MAKE A MOTION. I SECOND.

>> ONE QUICK COMMENT. I WANT TO SUMMARIZE WHAT I SAID EARLIER. GOOD PROJECT IN WRONG PLACE. YOU DON'T IMPROVE THE NEIGHBORHOOD BY DESTROYING THE EXISTING ONE. I THINK THAT IS

WHAT IT DOES. >> BEFORE YOU GO FURTHER, WE

NEED TWO MOTIONS. >> THAT'S RIGHT, WE NEED TWO

MOTIONS WE HAVE TWO ITEMS. >> WE WILL VOTE ON THIS ONE AND THEN WE WILL GO HERE. WE HAVE A MOTION TO DENY THE FIRST

PORTION OF THIS. 10230015. >> THE NUMBERS THE SAME ON BOTH BUT IT'S THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN APPLICATION. ALL THIS IN FAVOR

OF THE MOTION TO DENY? >> AYE A.

>> ALL OPPOSE? >> MAY.

>> WE HAVE THE POTION -- THE PORTION OF THE PUD FOR THIS.

>> SECOND. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.

>> AYE. ANY OPPOSED? >> NAY .

>> WE WILL GO TO THE DCC ON THE 23RD.

>> YES IT WILL. JUST ONE SECOND? THERE WERE THREE PEOPLE THAT PROVIDED US WITH THE PAPER. IF YOU COULD MAKE COPIES AND WE CAN GIVE THEM BACK TO YOU. LEAVE THEM BY THE DOOR BEFORE YOU LEAVE. AND WE WILL GET WITH YOU TO GET COPIES

BACK. THANK YOU. >> YOU ARE WELCOME TO STAY FOR THE REST OF THE MEETING. BUT IF YOU CHOOSE TO LEAVE, PLEASE DO SO QUIETLY SO WE CAN CONTINUE ON. THEY GIVE VERY

MUCH. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> THAT'LL SOLVE A LOT OF ISSUES HAVING SOME WAY TO STOP TRAFFIC GOING THROUGH WILLOW SPRINGS. I THINK IT

SHOULD BE ADDRESSED. >> THERE WAS A GATES. AND ALL OF A SUDDEN, IT DISAPPEARED OUT OF CONVENIENCE.

>> THAT IS ONE OF THE ISSUES. SOMETHING THEY WERE ALLUDING TO EARLIER. CANNOT CAN US ALL THE PROBLEMS.

>> I KNOW THEY ARE NOT GOING TO GET SOLVED BUT SOMEBODY

[2.  Public Hearing to consider ZON-1023-00024 (District 5, Comm. Burke) (M. Brown) Continued from Dec. 5, 2023.]

SHOULD ADDRESS IT. >> OKAY. READY FOR PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER --. MR. BROWN?

>> THIS IS A CONTINUATION. IT'S YOUR CHOICE TO MOVE FORWARD WITHOUT THE PRESENTATION BY THE SLIDESHOW?

IT'S LOCKED UP RIGHT NOW. >> WE CONTINUED BECAUSE THE

APPLICANT DIDN'T SHOW. >> IT WAS GOING TO BE THE FUTURE USE OF THE LAND IN THAT SECTION THERE. FOR THEIR PLANS FOR EXPANSION? THIS WAS A REZONING REQUEST TO GO TO BB FIVE. THEY BE FIVE IS THE ONLY ZONING DISTRICT OUTSIDE OF THE TWO MASTERPLAN AREAS THAT YOU CAN HAVE A RESTAURANTS THAT SELLS ALCOHOL BESIDES BEER AND WINE. THAT IS THE SOLE REASON.

THIS IS THE NEW RESTAURANT OF 17. HE DESIRES TO SELL OTHER ALCOHOL BESIDES BEER AND WINE ONLY. THAT IS THE REASON FOR

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LIQUOR STORE IN THE PROPERTY. >> THEY WOULD NOT ALLOW A

LIQUOR STORE. >> WE UNDERSTAND. IT ONLY ALLOWS WHAT USES ARE ALLOWED IN THE LIQUOR STORE. IT'S NOT

ALLOWED IN BB FIVE. >> THE REASON WE CONTINUED IS BECAUSE THE APPLICANT WAS NOT HERE.

>> ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? ARE THE APPLICANTS HERE? YES

SIR? >> I APOLOGIZE NOT BEING HERE LAST TIME. I GOT MY DATES CONFUSED. I HAVE A COUPLE OF OTHER ISSUES AND I CAN ONLY GET A PHONE CALL. I'M HERE NOW TO

ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. >> THERE IS A QUESTION FROM THE MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC ABOUT WHAT THE PLANS WERE FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE PROPERTY. IF HE HAD ANY PLANS FOR CONSTRUCTION OF ANY OTHER STRUCTURE OF THE PARCEL. AND I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR YOUR RESPONSE TO THAT?

>> BE CONSIDERED A MULTITUDE OF GLANDS. BUT WE ARE TAKING A PHASED APPROACH. WE PUT DOWN AS A PCD TO DEVELOP THE WHOLE SITE. UP TO A MAXIMUM OF 16 OR 18,000 SQUARE FEET CONSIDERING THE LIMITATION OF PARKING. I DID NOT WANT IT TO BE BOXED DOWN ON SPECIFIC SITE PLANS. I DID NOT KNOW THE END-USE OF WHAT IT WOULD BE. IT'S GOING TO BE COMMERCIAL FOR SURE.

WHAT THE END-USE WILL BE. THEY'RE TAKING A PHASED APPROACH AND WE WANT TO START BUILDING THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE. THERE WAS A LIQUOR STORE ON THE SAME SITE BEFORE.

WE DON'T WANT A LIQUOR STORE THERE. ONLY ZONING AVAILABLE.

AND I WOULD PREFER WITH THE EXCEPTIONS AND VARIANTS. IT IS OFF-SITE CONSUMPTION AND IT IS A TRICKY WORD. THEY DEEMED HIGH PERCENTAGES OF ALCOHOL . AN EXCESS OF 5% ALCOHOL TO BE BEER AND WINE AS WELL. THERE WAS A LIQUOR STORE WITH THE LESSONS ON THE VA ZONING. DRINKS BESIDES BEER AND WINE STORE. IT IS GOING TO BE -- BB FIVE ENTITLES US TO A RESTAURANTS. THERE ARE OTHER USES PERMITTED. WHICH WE DON'T INTEND TO -- , BUT I DON'T THINK THERE WAS ANY CONCERN ABOUT THAT. THINGS PROGRESS. IF IT COMES TO A POINT WHERE WE DO DESIRE RETAIL ON IT, WERE NOT REALLY READY TO PROPOSE THE PCD ON IT.

WE CAN INCREASE THE OCCUPANCY FROM CURRENTS, 65 TO I THINK 125 THAT IS REQUIRED OF FLORIDA. FOR THE LIQUOR LICENSE LAW TO SERVE ALCOHOL. THE PRIMARY FOCUS WILL BE FOOD. IT

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>> ANY OF THE QUESTIONS? I'M GOING TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING . I DON'T HAVE ANY CARDS. DOES ANYBODY HERE WISH TO SPEAK TO THIS ITEM? NONE. "THE PUBLIC HEARING AND BRING IT BACK TO US , I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

>> IS THERE A CAC INVOLVED? >> NO.

>> THE CYSTO DISTRICT FIVE? THIS IS STILL DISTRICT FIVE.

>>

>> THERE'S NOT MUCH IN THERE THAT SHOULDN'T BELONG ON THE EULA 17. WORSE THING IS A BAR. THE REST IS PICKLE BALL COURT AND PAINTBALL. TAKE THE ZONING SO WE CAN GET THE RESTAURANT GOING IF HE WANTS TO FURTHER DEVELOP THE SITE, HE HAS TO COME IN WITH THE SITE PLAN AND PCB. WITH THAT, I WILL MOVE THE

STAFF REPORT. >> I WILL SECOND.

>> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? IF NOT, IN FAVOR, STATE-RUN WOMEN.

>> AYE. >> ANY OPPOSE? ALL RIGHT.

[3.  Public Hearing to consider COMP 23-0017 and ZON 23-0027. (District 5, Comm. Burke) (S. Olsen)]

OKAY. THE APPLICANT IS INTEGRATED ACCESS SOLUTIONS LLC. THEY ARE BEING REPRESENTED BY JANICE FLEET.

THE PARCELS LOCATED BETWEEN -- ROAD AND COUNTY ROAD 209 IN GLENCOE SPRINGS. THIS IS COMMISSIONER BURKS DISTRICT.

IT IS A SINGLE PARCEL OF 1.6 ACRES LOCATED AT 3029 U.S. 17.

THE LAND HE AMENDMENT IS FOR .26 ACRES. THEY ARE TRYING TO CHANGE AND GO FROM RURAL FRINGE TO COMMERCIAL. THE ZONING APPLICATION IS FOR ONE POINT 05 ACRES OF THE PARCEL .

COMMERCIAL AND PROFESSIONAL OFFICE DISTRICTS. FROM THE SINGLE-FAMILY DISTRICTS , WHICH IS A SPECIALTY BUSINESS COMMERCIAL DISTRICT. SEE, HAD A FEW THINGS GOING ON. THE MAP

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FOR THE ZONING APPLICATION, THE APPLICATION SUBMITTED IS REQUESTING BB THREE . REQUIRES ACCESS BY MOTOR VEHICLES OF ALL TYPES INCLUDING TRACTOR-TRAILER UNITS AND CALLS FOR GAS STATIONS, CANDLES, AUTOMOBILE REPAIRS. IT IS THE B LETTER EIGHT 2 . THE TRANSITION FROM COMMERCIAL RESIDENTIAL . THIS LIMITS THE COMMISSION BUILDING 500 SQUARE FEET PER BUILDING.

WE BELIEVE THIS IS WHY DOES NOT WORK FOR THE APPLICANT. THERE IS PUBLIC NOTIFICATION INFORMATION AND ADDRESSES THAT SENT LETTERS. WE FEEL THE ZONING IS INCOMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING USES. IT IS MORE INTENSIVE. WE RECOMMEND DENIAL OF THE APPLICATION 23 E- 0027.

>> ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? YES SIR?

>> GO BACK TO THE OWNERSHIP IN THE PARCEL ARRANGEMENT.

>> 300 FEET FROM HIGHWAY 17 BACKWARDS. THAT'S THE COMMERCIAL SPACE IN RED. THE REMAINDER OF THE PARCEL IS RESIDENTIAL LAND USEOF RURAL FRINGE. THEY ARE ASKING TO EXTEND THE COMMERCIAL LAND-USE BY 100 FEET.

>> THAT'S A LITTLE BOX ON THE MAP ON THE RIGHT?

>> YES SIR. THEY ARE RETAINING SOME RESIDENTIAL LAND USE.

>> OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?

>> GO BACK TO THE MAP. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS. ON THE CORNER. WE ARE TALKING STRICTLY ABOUT THE NARROW STRIP THAT GOES BACK THERE. WE WANT TO CHANGE THE WHOLE THING? NO.

OKAY. THE PARCEL LOOKS TO BE ABOUT 500 OR 600 FEET DEEP.

>> YES. >> IT'S ONLY LITTLE SLOW PROBATE -- IT'S ONLY LITTLE SLIVER OF IT THAT HAS CHANGED.

WE SEE THIS KIND OF STUFF A LOT. WE GET THE SPLIT LAND-USE ALONG THE ROAD. WE HAVE TO DECIDE WHETHER IT MAKES SENSE.

JACKSONVILLE. THEY WANT TO MOVE THEIR BUSINESS TO CLAY COUNTY. THEY FOUND OUT THEY COULD DO EXACTLY WHAT THEY NEEDED TO DO ON THE SITE. THIS LITTLE SKINNY PARCEL. NORTH .

IT IS OWNED BY --. IT'S LOCATED ON THE EAST SIDE OF U.S. 17. THERE IS A POND ON THE SIDE AND IT PROVIDES THE

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THIS IS A SURVEY OF THE PROPERTY. LONG SKINNY NARROW PARCEL. IT PROVIDES A BUFFER AS I WAS MENTIONING BASED ON THE SIZE OF THE POND. WE ARE RECOMMENDING AND WANT TO MAINTAIN RESIDENTIAL THAT CANNOT BE DEVELOPED BECAUSE IT PROVIDES AN ADDITIONAL BUFFER. PARTIALLY BECAUSE OF THE UNIQUE BUSINESS IN SIZE AND WITH IS A UNIQUE PARCEL AND LIMITS THE DEVELOPMENT POTENTIAL. NEXT ? THIS IS THE EXISTING FUTURE LAND-USE AND YOU CAN SEE THE WAY TO SPLIT EXACTLY AS COMMISSIONER SAID. IT'S 300 FEET DEEP. THEY DID A SWATH OF IT FOR SOME REASON. HE THINKS HE OWNS THE WHOLE PROPERTY. I WASN'T GOING TO ARGUE WITH HIM. BUT HE WAS SUPPORTIVE OF IT. HE WAS FINE WITH WHAT WE WERE DOING. THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE NOW. WE DID NOT HAVE THE MAPPING THAT WE HAD TODAY. IT WOULD MAKE YOUR LIFE EASIER NOW. THAT'S HOW PEOPLE DID IT. THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED WHEN THE PLAN WAS ADOPTED. I MET WITH STAFF AND THEY SAID THERE WAS 300 FEET. KIND OF JOKINGLY. NEXT SLIDE? ZONING FOLLOWS IT IN THAT SAME THING.

IT IS THAT NORTH PEACE WHICH IS WHY ORIGINALLY, WE ASK FOR THE BB THREE. KNOWING WHAT WE DID IS THE PROPERTY OWNER DID NOT ASK FOR ANYTHING. WE GAVE THEM THE LOWEST INTENSITY WHICH IS ON THE COMMERCIAL. 400 FEET BACK. IT'S ABOUT A FOUR ACRE PARCEL THAT IS THE ZONING. NEXT. 670 FEET DEEP. IT IS COMMERCIAL. WHAT WE ARE ASKING FOR IS THE MIDDLE PIECE , .26 TO BE COMMERCIAL. WE ARE MAINTAINING THE EXISTING BACK AREA. THAT ONE MAY MAINTAIN ITSELF AS RURAL FRIEND. IT WOULD LINE UP WITH OTHER FRIENDS. IT WOULD NOT INTRUDE WHERE IT IS RESIDENTIAL. THE PROPERTY IS FARTHER BACK. THE 400 FEET IS FARTHER BACK THAN WITH THIS WOULD BE. WE HAVE

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CONSISTENT WITH THE PLAN. IT'LL PROVIDE THE TRANSITION TO THE NORTH. IT IS GOOD IN THE STAFF REPORT WITH TRAFFIC AND EVERYTHING ELSE THAT HAS THAT CAPACITY AT THAT AREA. OF U.S. 17. AND I'M HERE FOR ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS.

>> IS THE REASON YOU ARE ASKING FOR THE REZONING BECAUSE OF THE LIMITATION? IT ALLOWS A 5000 SQUARE-FOOT BUILDING YOU

WOULD LEAVE IT AT? >> BASICALLY, YES.

>> THAT'S THE ONLY REASON. >> YES, EXACTLY. IT HAS LAND TO DEVELOP BECAUSE WE ARE GOING BACK FURTHER THAN 200 FEET. WE ARE MEETING WITH STAFF AND WE FELT WE CAN GO A LITTLE BIT FURTHER BACK TO GIVE THE ABILITY TO BUILD MANY MORE

ON THE SITE. >> WHAT IS IT YOU WANT THE

BOARD TO CONSIDER? >> LANDINGS. IT IS RECOMMENDED , THE LAND-USE, BY STAFF FOR APPROVAL AS WELL AS THE REZONING. WE ARE FINE WITH BB THREE. STAFF SAID THEY WOULD BE SUPPORTIVE OF IT. BUT I ALSO SEE THEM SHAKING HER HEAD.

MY UNDERSTANDING. FOR THE CONVERSATION WITH STAFF. IF

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ACROSS THE POND WILL BE SO EXPENSIVE. IT MAY NOT BE WORTH THE LAND HE WILL DEVELOP. YOU MAY HAVE TO BE MAINTAINED BACK THERE. IT IS A SUBSTANTIAL POND. IT SHOWS UP ON ALL THE

LAND USE MAP, ET CETERA. >> WHAT ARE THE USES ALLOWED FOR BB TO? I BROUGHT COPIES FOR EVERYBODY.

>> DO WE HAVE THE OPTION TO RECOMMEND A DIFFERENT ZONE? THEN HAS BEEN PROPOSE ? I'VE GOTTEN DIFFERENT ANSWERS OVER

THE YEARS. >> IT SEEMS LIKE WE HAVE ONE

LIKE THAT LAST TIME. >> WHAT IS BEEN ADVERTISED.

WHAT THEY SEEK IS LESS INTENSE. AND IT FALLS UNDERNEATH WHAT

THEY REQUESTED, THEN YES. >> WE TECHNICALLY DON'T HAVE PYRAMID ZONING. HOW DO WE DETERMINE IT IS LESS INTENSE BECAUSE IT IS BB TWO VERSUS BB THREE?

>> YES. WE LOOKED AT THE USE FROM THE PLANNING PERSPECTIVE.

THEY DETERMINED IT WAS LESS INTENSE THAN BB THREE.

>> THE USE HAS BECOME MORE INTENSE. AND I HAVE A QUESTION, TOO. I DON'T KNOW WHO TO DIRECT IT TO YOU. IS 2500 SQUARE FEET LIMITATION. IS IT FLEXIBLE AT ALL? CAN WE RECOMMEND THE ZONING WITH THE 5000 SQUARE FOOT? WILL IT HAVE

TO BE PCD ZONING? >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I DON'T HAVE ANY CARDS ON THAT. DOES ANYBODY WISH TO SPEAK? CLOSING PUBLIC HEARING AND BRINGING IT BACK TO THE COMMISSION. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?

>> NOT YET. DOES IT PROVIDE THE SQUARE FOOT?

>> IT DOES NOT HAVE A LIMITATION. YOU HAVE FLORIDA

AREA RATIO OF 40% LIMIT. >> WOULD IT APPLY TO THE ENTIRE PARCEL OR THE PART BEING REZONED?

>> JUST TO THE COMMERCIAL PORTION.

>> OKAY. PLUS BUT IS ALREADY COMMERCIAL. I CAN GET 5000 SQUARE FOOT. IT'LL BE THE TOTAL COMMERCIAL. WHATEVER ZONE. BUT WE ARE ASKING THERE IS ONE ZONING CATEGORY. FROM 17 TO THAT. THE FRONT PART. WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH ROOM. THE LITTLE .26 TO DO ANYTHING MORE. THE BUILDING WOULD NOT FIT TO BE HAVING ANY MORE REQUIREMENTS ON THE MIDDLE PART. I GUESS YOU DIDN'T UNDERSTAND?

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>> WE WENT BACK AND FORTH WITH STAFF AND WE THOUGHT MAYBE THAT CAN BE SOMETHING WE CAN GO WITH. I PROBABLY WOULD'VE ASKED FOR TWO. EVERYBODY DOES IT DIFFERENTLY AND THERE ARE OTHER COMMUNITIES YOU CAN COMMIT YOUR APPLICATION TO THE END. YOU'LL HAVE A DIFFERENT WAY, WHICH IS FINE. WE WILL NEED TO WORK WITH YOU AND STAFF. WE APPRECIATE WORKING WITH STAFF BECAUSE THEY ARE VERY SUPPORTIVE ALONG THE WAY.

IS EVERYBODY HAPPY WITH THE BB TOO?

>> I'M LOOKING AT THE USES AND I DON'T SEE ANYTHING THAT

IS PARTICULARLY ONEROUS. >> IT'S GOING TO BE LESS THAN WHAT IS BB THREE. WE GOT THE FURNITURE STORE GROCERY AND HARDWARE. THE ONLY ONE ON HERE THAT'S A LITTLE BIT WORRISOME.

IT IS MANY WAREHOUSES. >> OKAY. ARE WE READY FOR

EMOTION? >> I MAKE A MOTION TO RECOMMEND

THE APPROVAL. >> I WILL SECOND THAT.

>> I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE LAND-USE CHANGE.

>> ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR?

>> AYE. >> ALL OPPOSE. OKAY.

>> I'LL MAKE THE PROPOSED CHANGE IF THE APPLICANT IS WILLING TO DO THAT. AND MAKE A MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL

FOR THE ZONING CHANGE. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? THOSE IN FAVOR? AND ANY OPPOSED?

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> WE APPRECIATE YOUR WORK.

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>> >>

>> WE DID NOT GET THE PRESENTATION.

>> IT'S ABOUT GENERAL CONVERSATION,.

>> THIS IS GOING FORWARD. OKAY, COOL. I LIVE ON COUNTY ROAD, 218. IF YOU HAVE NOT HEARD. I WANT TO INTRODUCE THOSE WHO ARE NOT FAMILIAR WITH COUNTY ROAD 218 TO THE ROAD ITSELF. THIS IS IT'S IN THE NORTHWEST CORNER I HIGHLIGHTED THE ROAD ITSELF. STATE ROAD 16 APPROXIMATELY 21 MILES FOR ONE END TO THE OTHER. I'M CONCERNED FROM MIDDLEBURG PROPER. OUT TWO, 301. A 12 MILE SEGMENT. YOU CAN SEE THE LAND-USE ALONG THE CORRIDOR BEING BUILT FOR YOU.

>> THERE'S A PRIVATE ROAD CALLED --. JUST EAST OF --.

IT IS A KNOWN ROAD. CARTER SPENCER ROAD . IT GOES ALL THE WAY OUT. ANYWAY. I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHERE IT IS ON THERE.

IT IS RIGHT THERE. THERE YOU GO. THAT'S WHERE IT STARTS. IT

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OKAY? IT IS PRETTY MUCH TIME. ALL-TIME. OKAY. ANYWAY.

PREPARATION IS BEING MADE. IT IS CURRENTLY A TWO-LANE MY FIRST 200 YARDS. ONCE YOU CLEAR THE WINN-DIXIE SHOPPING CENTER. YOU ARE NEAR THE INTERSECTION. THAT IS PRIMARILY THE AREA I'M TALKING ABOUT. THE SEGMENT HERE SEEM QUITE A BUILD DEVELOPMENT FOR OBVIOUS REASONS. THERE IS A LOT MORE INTEREST IN IT NOW THAT IT'S GOING TO BE FOUR LANES. THERE IS ZONING AND THAT LITTLE SEGMENT OBVIOUSLY IT IS BA BB COMMERCIAL ZONING VARIETY. THE DARKER AND GRAY AND THE MORE INTENSE. THE BIG ORANGE BROWN SPOT IS THE BALLPARK. FIRST THING YOU SEE WHEN YOU TURN OFF THE BLENDING ONTO 218. IT WAS A RESIDENT . IT'LL SUSTAIN AND I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG AGO. IT WAS A WHILE. WELCOME TO 218.

>> ANYMORE ARCHITECTURE? >> THAT'S NOT THE ARCHITECTURAL STANDARDS, NO IT'S NOT. CONTINUING WESTWARD ALONG 218 , THE NICE VETERINARIAN FACILITY THAT IS BEEN THERE FOR YEARS. IT CHANGES HANDS FROM TIME TO TIME. IT BEGINS SOME OF MY MAIN CONCERNS AND I'M NOT QUITE SURE WHAT IS COMING SOON. HE CONTINUES CONTAINERS AND DUMPSTERS THAT MULTIPLY LIKE RABBITS. THERE HAS TO BE THREE OR FOUR TIMES THAT MANY. IT'S BEEN THERE FOR QUITE SOME TIME.

THIS IS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE WHEN YOU GET A CLOSE-UP PHOTO. IT'S PRETTY WIDE OPEN WHAT THEY CAN DO WITH IT. IT'S KNOWN AS THE LETTER GRADE. HERE IS SOME OUTSIDE STORAGE. THE APPLICANT

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ANNA HAD A CONVERSATION EARLIER TODAY WITH OBVIOUSLY, THE COMMISSIONER. ASSISTANT COUNTY MANAGER STEWARD. AND THE ZONING TEAM, MIKE BROWN. BASICALLY PEOPLE GO OUT THERE AND THEY WILL " BUSINESS " THAT'LL POP UP AND THAT'S WHAT YOU GET. I WANT TO MAKE SURE NOBODY INTERPRETS MY COMMENTS TO BE ANTIBUSINESS OR INTO ANYWAY. I HAVE NOTHING BUT THE UTMOST RESPECT FOR ANYBODY WHO EVER TRIES TO RUN A BUSINESS. IT IS A VERY HARD THING TO DO. I'M A PART OWNER MYSELF. KUDOS TO EVERYBODY TRYING TO RUN A BUSINESS. HOWEVER, AS A CITIZEN AND MEMBER OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION, HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO MAKE EVERYBODY AWARE OF THIS. I DON'T WANT TO SEE COUNTY ROAD 218 CONTINUE WITHOUT SOME EFFORT ON OUR PART. MY PART SPECIFICALLY. THIS IS A SITE IN VARIOUS LISTINGS OF THE USES. ONE OF THE CONDITIONAL USES IN EVERY ZONING CATEGORY IS LAND CLEARING, THE FREE AND FACILITY. SAME THING THAT YOU DO LIGHT RETAIL. I DON'T GET IT. THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENING HERE.

>> ASKED ABOUT IT SEVERAL TIMES OVER THE YEARS. THE ANSWER WAS GOD WAS IT WAS NEVER INTENDED TO BE ANYTHING BUT TEMPORARY. TEMPORARY DEBRIS. LIKE A NEW SUBDIVISION IS GOING IN. YOU HAVE TO PUT ALL YOUR CHUNKS SOMEWHERE. IT'S MORE OF A STAGING AREA THAN ANYTHING. THEY'VE TURNED IT INTO A PERMANENT DEBRIS. I DON'T THINK , MAY BE TECHNICALLY OKAY BUT IT IS NOT THE SPIRIT OF THE CODE. THERE'S ANOTHER PARCEL LET ME SEE IF IT'S ON HERE. AM CURIOUS ABOUT THAT. THIS IS ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF 218. THE IDEA OF HAVING OUTSIDE STORAGE WITH THE BARRIER. I DON'T KNOW FOR PREDATES THAT REQUIREMENT.

THIS IS AN INDUSTRIAL BUILDING THAT'S BEEN OUT THERE NOW. WE HAD THE OVERLY PLAN IN PLACE AND WE HAD SOME ARCHITECTURAL INTEREST TO IT. YOU CAN'T REALLY SEE FROM HERE AND HAS A STONE FACADE ON PART OF IT. EVEN THOUGH SOME INDUSTRIAL BUILDING. IT'S BETTER THAN WHAT IS DOWN. MOST OF THE ROAD OF COUNTY 218 LOOKS LIKE THIS TO BE HONEST WITH YOU. IT IS LITERALLY A JUNKYARD. GOD BLESS THE PEOPLE TRYING TO MAKE A LIVING DOING WHATEVER THEY ARE DOING IN THERE. FOR THOSE OF US WHO LIVE AROUND IT, THIS IS HALF A MILE . LET ME SEE IF I CAN GET A CLOSE UP ON IT. THIS IS FURTHER BACK TOWARD THE EAST A LITTLE BIT. IT USED TO BE AN ELECTRICAL COMPANY. OR MAYBE? IT DOESN'T APPEAR TO BE AN ACTIVE BUSINESS FOR THE PAST FEW YEARS. WE OCCASIONALLY SEE DIFFERENT THINGS STORED IN THE CHAIN-LINK FENCE. ARE THE RECYCLING VEHICLES OUT OF IT? YOU NAME IT. EVERY TIME YOU GO THERE, TO ANOTHER PILE OF JUNK.

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THANK YOU. >> DO YOU HAVE ANY SPECIFIC

QUESTIONS? >> I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING LIKE THIS. THE SAME VERY SIMPLE STANDARDS THAT ARE IN THE OVERLY PLAN EXTEND ALL THE WAY DOWN TO --. WHAT THE PROPER STEPS WILL BE. IT'S ONLY FOUR THINGS. THAT'S STANDARD ACROSS THE COUNTY NOW. VERY MODEST. IT'LL BE A QUESTION EXTENDING ACROSS THE COUNTY. A LOT OF STUFF HE SHOWED AND IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S OLDER AND YOU CAN'T MAKE PEOPLE CHANGE. IT'S A NEW PROPERTY CHANGING HANDS.

>> I DON'T KNOW THE DETAILS. I CAN TELL WHEN SOMEBODY HAS BEEN OUT THERE BECAUSE THEY LOOK BETTER. THEY STRENGTHEN THE LANDSCAPE REQUIREMENTS ESPECIALLY IF YOU HAVE OUTSIDE STORAGE. DON'T BURDEN THE COMMUNITY WAS LOOKING AT THE

JUNKYARD WHEN HE DRIVE FIVE. >> YOU HEAR ME GOING ABOUT IT ALL THE TIME OF THE LIGHTING STANDARDS. I HAVE A GUY DOWN THE STREET FROM ME AND YOU GUYS SHOULD TAKE A LOOK AT IT FROM ONE DARK NIGHT. IT'S A CONVENIENCE STORE ON A SMALL PARCEL. IT'S AN OLD CONVENIENCE STORE AND INDEPENDENTLY OWNED. ON THAT LITTLE PROPERTY . THE PRISON YARD LIGHTS. IF I LIVED NEAR THAT PLACE, THE HOUSE IS ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE PART OF THE HOUSES LIT UP LIKE DAYTIME ALL THE TIME. I DON'T KNOW HOW WE ALLOW TO HAPPEN. IT BLOWS MY

MIND. >> THAT GOES TO THE BROADER ISSUE OF LDR'S. IT'S ACROSS THE COUNTY. IT'S THE REST FOR

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THERE IS A OPPORTUNITY TO CLARIFY THE LANGUAGE. WE CAN BE VIGILANCE WHEN WE ARE ASKED TO LOOK AT ANY CHANGES THAT CAN BE CLARIFIED TO BE LIMITED TO THE TYPE OF FACILITY THAT WAS INTENDED TO ADDRESS AND BE. IT'S A CONDITIONAL USE THAT HAS TO COME BACK TO THIS PROCESS. IT CAN'T BE AUTOMATIC BECAUSE IT IS A BYLINE ON THE BOTTOM OF THE PAGE. THAT'S THE STAFF REVIEW IF YOU MEET ALL THE CONDITIONS. IT CAN HAPPEN.

>> YES. IF IT MEETS ALL THOSE CONDITIONS. ONE THING WE ARE FOCUSED ON RIGHT NOW. IS LOOKING AT THE USES WITHIN EACH DISTRICT. AS WELL AS THE CONDITIONAL USES THAT ARE ALLOWED. ITEMS WE ARE PROPOSING . WE HAVE THE LAKE ASBURY STANDARDS. YOU'LL SEE A LOT OF TO COME FORWARD. 218.

ONE OF THE ISSUES. AS I SEE IT. A LOT OF THE USES RBP. THAT ZONING TENDS TO BE BACK IN THE 70S. WE RECOGNIZED IT AS A COUNTY. ALONG 218. ALONG 218 IN THE FAST -- IN THE PAST TWO MONTHS. WE WILL STAY ON IT MYSELF. THE BB IS A PROBLEM.

IT IS THERE. THAT IS THE OTHER THING WE HEAR A LOT. ARE WE CREATING MORE OF AN ISSUE? I KNOW HOW OVERLOADED YOU GUYS ARE. IN YOUR SPARE TIME, CAN YOU LOOK AT THIS? ESPECIALLY SINCE YOU HAVE VACANCIES WE ARE TRYING TO FILL. IF IT KEEPS I NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT THAT THERE MIGHT BE A MODIFICATION REQUIRED. RATHER THAN WAITING TO THE END, WE CAN FIND SOME LOW HANGING FRUIT AND SOME OF THESE ISSUES MAY BE COMING UP? WE CAN BRING THOSE EARLY ON. THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD, HERE IT IS, TAKE IT OR LEAVE IT. WE CAN DIGEST THIS BETTER IF IT

COMES IN IN SMALL BITES. >> MAY BE ABLE TO BRING EARLY ON AND THE COUNTY. FOR CONSIDERATION. WE TRY TO

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THIS IS AN ACTUAL EXPERIENCE. THE FAMILY MEMBER LIVES IN ONE OF THE NEWER DEVOE VINCE OF FLEMING ISLAND. THE SIZES ARE OF A 40 FOOT NATURE. THERE WAS AN EMERGENCY AT ABOUT 1:00 IN THE MORNING. BECAUSE OF THE PARKING SITUATION AND DISTANCE OF THE GARAGES AND STREET'S. THE FACT THAT THERE IS PARKING ON BOTH SIDES. THE FIRE DEPARTMENT COULD NOT GET DOWN THE STREETS. THEY HAD TO KNOCK ON AND RINK DOORBELLS ALL THE WAY DOWN THE STREET TO GET PEOPLE TO MOVE THEIR EMERGENCY VEHICLES. AS FAR AS GETTING EMERGENCY VEHICLES DOWN IN MY OWN NEIGHBORHOOD. ESPECIALLY SUPER BOWL, NEW YEAR'S EVE, VARIOUS EVENTS WHERE THE PARKING IS RIDICULOUS. TO GET YOUR CARD THROUGH THERE, YOU HAVE TO AND SHOULD THROUGH SO YOU'RE NOT DAMAGING SOMEBODY ELSE'S PROPERTY. IS THERE ANY WAY STAFF CAN LOOK AT THIS IN THE SITUATION WHERE WE ARE ALLOWING THESE TYPES OF DEVELOPMENTS TO HAPPEN NOW SO WE CAN RESTRICT PARKING TO ONE SIDE OF THE STREETS. THEY CAN ATTEST TO SITUATIONS WHERE THAT SAME INCIDENT HAPPEN TO THEM AS WELL. KEEP AN ALLEYWAY OPEN ESPECIALLY IN THE EARLY MORNING HOURS WHEN PEOPLE ARE PARKING CARS WHEN THEY ARE SLEEPING.

THIS IS ONE OF THEIR FAVORITE THINGS HE AND I GO BACK AND FORTH ON. PART OF THE NARROW LOTS.

>> IT'S NOT THE FACT THAT THEY ARE NARROW LOTS. THE PROBLEM IS, THERE IS NOTHING IN OUR CODE THAT OFFSETS THE SMALL LOTS WITH PARKING. IF YOU HAVE A 100 FOOT LOT AND THREE OR FOUR CARS COME OKAY. YOU PUT THE PEOPLE ON A 40 FOOT LOT AND THERE WILL STILL BE THREE OR FOUR CARS. WOULD WE DO WITH THEM? WHEN OUT ADDRESSING THAT ISSUE. WERE NOT ADDRESSING

THAT ISSUE. >> WENT TO GRANDCHILDREN AS A SPECIAL NEEDS CHILD. ONE OF MY GRANDCHILDREN IS A SPECIAL NEEDS CHILD AND IF SHE HAD A SEVERE ATTACK, AND THAT EMERGENCY VEHICLE CANNOT GET DOWN THERE, THAT'LL BE A BIG PROBLEM FOR ME. AND I HOPE YOU GUYS WILL ALSO LOOK AT THAT AS WELL. I'M NOT THE ONLY ONE IN THIS COUNTY THAT HAS THAT ISSUE

OR THAT PROBLEM. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH. I GOT AN EMAIL. ON THE --. I HAVE TWO ISSUES WITH THE WAY YOU GOT SCHEDULED. I UNDERSTAND WE ARE GOING TO SEE THAT IN APRIL IT'S GOING TO BE ON THE APRIL AGENDA. THE WORKSHOP PRECEDES THE MEETING SO WE BASICALLY GET IT TO OUR WINDOW TO LOOK AT ALL THE CHARTS AND ASK QUESTIONS AND ASKED DIALOGUE IN THE WORKSHOP. WE DID TWO HOURS AND DID NOT GET ENOUGH INFORMATION. I WOULD HAVE EITHER MULTIPLE WORKSHOPS OR HAVE A WORKSHOP THAT DOES NOT HAVE HARD END ON IT. IF WE COME IN HERE AT THREE, WE DO TWO HOURS OF ARTS AND CHARTS.

WE HAVE A REGULAR MEETING. WE MAY NEED NO BETTER OFF AT THE

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THAT'S KEY TO THE WHOLE THING. AND WE DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT, AND I MEAN RIGHT DOWN TO SOME OF THE INDIVIDUAL TABLES IN THERE. YOU'RE NOT GOING TO FOLLOW WHAT IS GOING ON. THERE ARE TABLES AND THOSE ORDERS AND DOCUMENTS THAT'LL COME BACK AND HAUNT US. IF WE DON'T LOOK AT THEM VERY CAREFULLY. AND I DON'T THINK TWO HOURS IS ENOUGH TIME.

>> I KNOW WILL SET UP TO ACCOMMODATE THE BBC -- THE DCC AS WELL. IF THEY DO WANT TO COME, THAT'S FINE, LET'S SET SOMETHING UP. THAT THING IS IS BIG IS THE HARBOR FLEMING ISLAND. I WOULD LIKE TO , I DON'T KNOW WHAT TIME WORKS FOR EVERYBODY, I KNOW IT WILL BE BETTER TO DO IT ON THURSDAY.

CAN COME HERE AT 5:00, FOUR, THREE. WHATEVER WORKS FOR EVERYBODY. AND HAVE A DISCUSSION. NOT JUST TWO HOURS.

WE ONLY NEED TWO HOURS AND WE ARE OUT OF HERE WE DON'T HAVE TO DEAL WITH IT. CAN WE SET IT UP?

>> I WILL MAKE A COUPLE COMMENTS TO THAT. ONE THING THAT MIGHT BE HELPFUL IS THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEMBERS ACTUALLY READ YOUR EMAILS. THAT'LL BE HELPFUL TO US. IF YOU WANT TO SUGGEST THAT, I SUGGEST YOU GO TO THE COUNTY EMAIL. CAN WE LOOK AT IT THURSDAY? I THINK KELLY HAS HEARD FROM A COUPLE OF YOU GUYS. WHEN KELLY GETS A CONSENSUS SHE CAN RESPOND TO THE EMAILS. PICK UP THE PHONE AND CALL THEM SOMEWHERE ELSE. I THINK THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT. IT'S GOING TO COME BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION IN APRIL AND IT'LL COME TO THE --. WE DON'T WANT TO DO IT EARLY BECAUSE WE WANTED WE TO GET THE COMMENTS BACK BUT THE STATE. THAT'S PART OF THE PURPOSE. WE DON'T SUPPORT DOING IT IN FEBRUARY AS WERE NOT SURE WILL HAVE COMMENTS BACK. IT WAS ON NOVEMBER THING, INITIALLY. WHERE THE LINK TO THE DOCUMENT WAS IN THAT EMAIL. I ENCOURAGE YOU TO LOOK THROUGH THAT. THE APPLICANT REACHED OUT AND I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY ELSE RESPONDED TO THE APPLICANT. IN ORDER TO BE THOROUGH WITH CONVERSATION. I HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS AND THIS. WE CAN DEFINITELY ACCOMMODATE.

THERE'S A LOT OF READING ON YOUR AND FOR THIS ONE. WE

LIVED. IT'S A HEAVY LIFT. >> I DON'T WANT THEM ONE-ON-ONE. I WANT EVERYBODY HERE TO HEAR THE QUESTIONS.

>> IT CANNOT HAPPEN BEFORE THIS MEETING. IT'S THAT

SIMPLE. >> WHY CAN'T WE DO IT PRIOR TO

THAT? MARCH 6. >> WERE NOT GOING TO ENTERTAIN DOING IT PRIOR TO GETTING COMMENTS BACK.

>> WE DON'T KNOW. >> WE KNOW WE WILL HAVE THEM

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HER SOMETHING TO WORK WITH AND WE WILL DO IT WHEN WE CAN AND SEND IT OUT TO YOU TO MAKE SURE . ARE YOU INTERESTED IN DOING

IT THAT WAY? >> TO CLARIFY WITH COURTNEY .

IF WE DO WITH -- IF WE DO MEANS, IT'S OKAY. WE JUST HAVE

TO DISCLOSE IT? >> YEAH.

>> THAT'S WHERE I'M GOING. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. OKAY.

>> LET THEM KNOW GO FROM THERE.

>> I LIKE TO SAY. I DID MEET THEM. I FIND IT INFINITELY EASIER TO GO THROUGH. IF YOU WANT TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT.

THAT'S ANOTHER THING YOU CAN DO IS GET THAT. AND HAPPENED TO STUDY. THE MAPS AND GRAPHICS DON'T COME THROUGH THE COMPUTER THE SAME WAY. THE DOCUMENT, FOR SURE. IS ANYBODY

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OKAY? COME ON DOWN. >> THANK YOU GUYS. I KNOW YOU ARE VOLUNTEERING AND WE APPRECIATE IT. I WANT THE COUNTY TO LOOK INTO HOW THE PUD IS WRITTEN AND USED FOR THE FUTURE. IT'S GOING TO BE COMPLEX AND DIFFICULT. IF WE DO THE VERY MINIMUM FOR THE PUD, THE BUILDERS WILL DO THE BARE MINIMUM. I KNOW YOU GUYS ARE BECAUSE YOU GUYS TALK ABOUT ALL THE TIME. I'M NOT SURE WHAT BEACON DO TO HAVE IT CHANGED. I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S SOMETHING IN THE FUTURE THAT WE CAN GO BACK AND LOOK HOW IT'S WRITTEN. DOES IT COME FROM THE STATE AND US, THE COUNTY? I DON'T KNOW. IF WE PUT BARE MINIMUMS LIKE HE SAID, THE 25 FOOT, THEY WILL DO 25

FOOT. SO, THANK YOU. >> ANYBODY ELSE?

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* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.