SPECIAL STAFF RECOGNITION

[20. Approval of Development Agreement between Clay County and IKO South Inc. for Economic Development and Tangible Personal Property Capital Investment Financial Incentive Grants for IKO South’s Roofing Materials Manufacturing Plant (C. Stewart/C. Grimm)]

>> CHAIR: 19 AND 20. THERE WAS A REQUEST TO REVISE THOSE AGREEMENTS AND I'LL LET THE COUNTY ATTORNEY TALK ABOUT THOSE

TWO REVISIONS. >> YEAH, SO, 19 AND 20 ARE BOTH AGREEMENTS FOR THE COUNTY TO ENTER INTO WITH IKO SOUTH INC.

THE COUNTY PREPARED THE AGREEMENTS. ITEM NUMBER 19 IT HAD BEEN PRESENTED, THE AGREEMENT WAS PRESENTED AND APPROVED BY THE BOARD BACK WHEN THE BOARD AGREED TO WAVE THE MOBILITY FEES FOR IKO. IKO AT THAT TIME UM WAS NOT WILLING TO SIGN THE AGREEMENT AND REQUESTED A REVISION TO THE INDEMNITY POSITION. WE'RE NOW BRINGING BACK TO THE ACTUAL AGREEMENT IN CONNECTION WITH THAT AGREEMENT WHICH IS THE STANDARD AGREEMENT THAT THE BOARD USES IN CONNECTION WITH OTHER PROJECTS.

IKO, LIKE WISE, WOULD NOT AGREE TO SIGN THAT AND BECAUSE OF THE INDEMNITY PROVISION AND THEY'VE REQUESTED A REVISION WHICH WAS

INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET. >> CHAIR: SO, THE REVISION WAS A REDUCTION IN THE LIABILITY, CORRECT?

>> IT WAS A CAP. >> SO, THE CAP, UM, PROPOSES $250,000. AND, THE AGREEMENT WAS ORIGINALLY PROMIULATED AS UNLIMITED. SO, THE REAL QUESTION IS DO WE WANT TO LIMIT THEIR LIMIT THEIR LIABILITY TO $250,000 IN WHATEVER THEY DO IN

THE FUTURE. >> SO, THIS IS A NORMAL AGREEMENT THAT EVERYONE ELSE HAS TO GO THROUGH. IT'S BEEN THERE

FOR HOW LONG? >> SO THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT HAS BEEN AROUND FOR QUITE SOME TIME. IT'S THE SAME AGREEMENT THAT ORANGE PARK HOSPITAL HAS ENTERED INTO IN CONNECTION WITH EVERY GRANT, ANY OF YOUR GRANTS WOULD APPROVE

THAT DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. >> I WOULD NOT BE IN AGREEMENT.

>> I WOULD MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ACCEPT STAFF'S, THAT WE APPROVE THIS WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION WHICH IS NOT TO CHANGE, WHICH IS BASICALLY WHAT YOU WERE SAYING. IF YOU WOULD

MAKE A MOTION, I'LL SECOND IT. >> THAT'S MY MOTION.

>> CHAIR: SO, THERE'S A MOTION TO NOT ACCEPT THE REVISIONS AND GO WITH STAFF'S ORIGINAL RECOMMENDATIONS? I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND, IS THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION?

>>> MR. CHAIR, I THINK IT'S FAIR TO GO BACK AND TELL THEM THAT WE'RE NOT INTERESTED IN PUTTING A CAP IN THERE. IT'S JUST A MATTER OF A NEGOTIATION, NOT THAT WE DON'T WANT THEM IN OUR COMMUNITY, AND DON'T WANT THEIR PROJECT, BUT, I THINK, UM, THAT'S BEEN A STANDARD IN TERMS OF THIS AGREEMENT FORA NUMBER OF OTHER CORPORATIONS THAT I THINK, UM, WERE CERTAINLY WELL WITHIN OUR RIGHTS TO TELL THEM THAT'S NOT ACCEPTABLE. ESPECIALLY AT $250,000. WHICH SEEMS TO ME WITH A $250 MILLION PROJECT, THAT IS, UM, INCONSEQUENTIAL. THAT NUMBER. SO, I ALSO SUPPORT

THE MOTION. >> CHAIR: I CAN JUST STATE THAT I DON'T VIEW THIS AGREEMENT AS WE PROPOSE AS UNDUE RISK ON THEIR PART. SO, I DON'T THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE FOR US TO GIVE OUR CONSTITUENTS THE BURDEN OF A POTENTIAL LIABILITY. SO, I'M IN AGREEMENT WITH THE MOTION AND THE SECOND. CAN WE, UM APPROVE THIS 19 AND 20, IS THIS A MOTION FOR 19 AND 20?

>> YES. >> OKAY. SO I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. (CHORUS OF AYES).

>> CHAIR: ANY OPPOSED, LIKE SIGN. SO, THE MOTION AND THE SECOND IS TO RESUBMIT OUR ORIGINAL PROPOSAL TO IKO FOR

[22. Nomination Criteria for Veteran & Volunteer of the Year (G.Gunn)]

THEIR APPROVAL. >>> ITEM 22 SMALL CHANGE. IT'S,

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UM, CONCERNS THE NOMINATION OF VETERANS AND VOLUNTEERS OF CLAY COUNTY AND I WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE THAT ONE OF THE STIPULATIONS IN THE VETERAN VOLUNTEER OF THE YEAR IS THAT THE VETERAN HAS TO BE A RESIDENT OF CLAY COUNTY. OUR VETERAN'S ORGANIZATIONS WELCOME EVERYBODY FROM THE LOCAL COMMUNITY AND IT COULD BE DUVALL OR ST. JOHNS OR ANYWHERE. AND THE OTHER THING IS WE WANT TO BRING IN RESOURCES FROM OUTSIDE IF WE CAN. LIKE TO GET THE RESOURCE FROM INSIDE BUT WE'RE CERTAINLY NOT GOING TO REJECT RESOURCES FROM THE OUTSIDE. SO, I WOULD LIKE TO CHANGE THE CRITERIA INSTEAD OF A REST DEPARTMENT OF CLAY COUNTY, WE KEEP THAT, NATURALLY, BUT, ALSO ADD ANY PROPERTY OWNER IN CLAY COUNTY OR ANYBODY CONDUCTING BUSINESS IN CLAY COUNTY FOR THE BENEFIT OF VETERANS IN CLAY COUNTY THAT THEY COULD BE NOMINATED TO BE A CLAY COUNTY VETERAN OF THE YEAR.

SO, THE CHANGES TO ADD BUSINESS INSIDE CLAY COUNTY OR RESIDENT OR PROPERTY OWN ISSUE IN CLAY COUNTY. THAT'S MY MOTION.

>> MR. CHAIR, IF I COULD, BEFORE I COMMENT ON YOUR MOTION.

Y YOU KNOW, THE VOLUNTEER OF THE YEAR WHICH WE ALSO HAVE IN FRONT OF US PROPOSED TO ADOPT. TALKS SPECIFICALLY ABOUT IT BEING A RESIDENT OF CLAY COUNTY. YOU COULD USE THE SAME RATIONAL THAT UH-HUH JUST DID FOR THE VETERANS FOR THE VOLUNTEER OF THE YEAR AND OPEN THAT UP TO WHETHER IT'S PROPERTY OWNERS OR BUSINESSERS OR THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.

WHATEVER WE DO, I THINK WE SHOULD DO THE SAME, AT LEAST IN THAT REGARD FOR BOTH, RATHER THAN JUST ENGAGING THE VETERANS AND NOT THE VOLUNTEERS. SO, I GUESS WHAT MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE THEN, IF YOU WERE INTERESTED IN CHANGING THAT, THEN, I WOULD SUPPORT IF YOU COULD MAKE IT FOR BOTH RATHER THAN JUST ONE OR THE

OTHER. >> YEAH, I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM DOING THAT. AND THIS IS A REQUEST OUT OF THE VETERAN COUNCIL OF CLAY COUNTY TO INCLUDE ANY BUSINESS OR PROPERTY OWNER IN CLAY COUNTY. SO, I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM. ONCE AGAIN IF THEY'RE PRODUCING BENEFIT TO A CLAY COUNTY RESIDENT OR VETERAN, I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM IN THAT DESIGNATION OR THAT SELECTION. SO, I'LL AMEND MY MOTION TO INCLUDE THE VOLUNTEER OF THE YEAR FOR CLAY COUNTY AS WELL.

PROPERTY OWNER OR BUSINESS OWNER IN CLAY COUNTY.

>> LOOKING FOR A SECOND? >> I'LL SECOND THAT FOR

EVERYONE. >> CHAIR: WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION?

>> I'M WILLING TO SUPPORT IT, I WOULD JUST URGE THOSE WHO ARE ON THE COMMITTEES, I MEAN, THE INTENTION OF THIS IS TO MAKE THIS A CLAY COUNTY, BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS' RECOGNITION. YOU KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF VETERANS IN THE AREA.

AND, WE HAVE A LOT IN CLAY COUNTY. SEEMS TO ME, I WOULD HOPE THAT WE COULD BE ABLE TO FIND SOMEONE WHO IS A RESIDENT.

I JUST, YOU KNOW, I'M JUST CONCERNED ABOUT THAT WHOLE DOES BUSINESS IN CLAY COUNTY. YOU KNOW, WE GIVE PREFERENCE TO PEOPLE WHO DO BUSINESS IN THE COUNTY AND THEY HAVE TO HAVE A LOCATION HERE. SO, THOSE WHO ARE ON THOSE COMMITTEES, I WOULD JUST URGE TO REALLY, SERIOUSLY CONSIDER HOW MUCH THE PERSON IS INVOLVED IN THE COMMUNITY. THAT'S THE INTENTION OF THE AWARDS IN BOTH SETTINGS, BUT, I'M WILLING TO SUPPORT IT.

>> MR. CHAIR, I ECHO THOSE SENTIMENTS. I THINK THAT IF WE'RE WANTING TO RECOGNIZE, UM, IF THE BCC IS LOOKING TO RECOGNIZE AN INDIVIDUAL MY PREFERENCE WOULD BE THAT THEY ACTUALLY LIVED HERE. BUT, I CAN UNDERSTAND HOW, I'M JUST THINKING ABOUT HOW BROAD THIS BECOMES AND, YOU COULD BRING IN QUITE A FEW FOLKS WHO ARE WORTHY OF RECOGNITION THAT JUST DON'T, THEY'RE NOT A PART OF OUR COMMUNITY LAYING THEIR HEAD TO REST HERE. AND SO I ECHO COMMISSIONER CONDON, I WOULD ENCOURAGE OUR STAFF WHO ARE GOING THROUGH THESE APPLICATIONS TO CONSIDER HEAVILY THOSE WHO ARE WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY IN THAT

REGARD. >>> I AGREE, I LIKE THE IDEA OF IT BEING SPECIAL TO OUR COUNTY. CAN WE PUT IN WORDING OR SOMETHING THAT WOULD SAY, KNOW, BECAUSE, I DON'T KNOW IF THE COMMITTEE'S WATCHING THIS. I WOULD LIKE THEM TO DO WHATEVER

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THE WORDING MIGHT HAVE TO BE. >> CHAIR: THIS WILL HAVE TO BE SENT BACK TO STAFF FOR THE INCLUSION OF THOSE CATEGORIES INSTEAD OF EXCLUSION AND WE WOULD PRIORITIZE POINT-WISE IF THEY LIVE IN CLAY COUNTY, THEY COULD GET ADDITIONAL POINTS.

>> YEAH. >> YEAH, THAT MIGHT BE A GOOD -- MY UNDERSTANDING IS, AND I HEARD A RUMOR SO, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S TRUE OR NOT THAT ONE OF THE POTENTIAL NOMINEES, SO, OUT OF THE GATE, THAT ONE OF THE PEOPLE THAT SOMEONE WANTED TO NOMINATE DOESN'T LIVE IN THE COUNTY. SO, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE, WE DID IT LAST YEAR, WE DID THE AWARD LAST YEAR, BUT, WE DIDN'T HAVE CRITERIA AROUND IT. WE DIDN'T DO VOLUNTEER OF THE YEAR LAST YEAR. I JUST, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T WANT IT TO BECOME WHAT IT'S NOT INTENDED TO BE. BUT, IT'S WHAT WE INTEND IT TO BE. SO, IT'S WHAT WE WANT IT TO BE.

>> >> COMMISSIONER CONDON, THANK YOU FOR BRINGING UP THAT POINT, AND THAT WAS MY QUESTION TO THE CHAIR, IS IT GOING TO BE THE VETERAN'S GROUP DECIDED THAT WAS SOMETHING IMPORTANT AND WHAT WAS THE RATIONAL IN REGARD, THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH? WE HAVE 30,000 PLUS VETERANS WHO LIVE IN CLAY COUNTY TO CHOOSE FROM. DID THEY FEEL THAT WE WERE LIMITING FOR SOME REASON, WHAT WAS THEIR THOUGHT PROCESS IN

>> I THINK THE THOUGHT PROCESS IS THAT A LOT OF FUNCTIONS GET INVOLVED WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT CRISIS INTERVENTION AND TALK ABOUT BUILDING HOMES FOR VETERANS. YOU KNOW, SERVING VETERANS IN EXTREME SITUATIONS. YOU MAY HAVE TO GET RESOURCES OUTSIDE. IF THERE'S SOMEBODY THAT VOLUNTEERS, COUNCIL, FOR INSTANCE, OR, SOMETHING LIKE THAT THEY MAY LIVE IN, DUVALL COUNTY, I DON'T KNOW. WHAT THEY WANT TO DO IS JUST RECOGNIZE THE INDIVIDUAL THAT SERVES OUR VETERANS THE BEST THAT YEAR.

SO, THAT WAS OUR CONCERN. >> WELL, YOU KNOW, THE BOTTOM LINE IS MY PREFERENCE WOULD BE TO HAVE IT BE A RESIDENT. BUT, IF WE'RE GOING TO CHANGE ONE, I THINK THEY SHOULD BE SIMILAR IN THEIR APPROACH. AT THIS POINT, I GUESS WE GIVE STAFF DIRECTION AND THEN WE MOVE FORWARD. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND AND IT'S JUST A QUESTION OF DECIDING WETHER OR NOT WE WANT TO INCLUDE THOSE FOLKS WHO HAVE A BIG IMPACT ON THE AREA IN THE COUNTY AND REGARDLESS OF WETHER OR NOT THEY LIVE HERE, IF THEY'RE QUALIFYING, THEN THEY COULD BE CHOSEN. QUITE HONESTLY, I WOULD HATE TO SEE THE FIRST PERSON WE CHOOSE TO BE CLAY COUNTY VETERAN OF THE YEAR TO BE FROM DUVALL OR ST. JOHN'S, BUT, THIS IS TO BE OUR AWARD. LET THEM HAVE THEIR AWARD IF THEY WANT ONE.

>> THE GOAL OF THIS PROJECT IS TO, AND WE CAN PRIORITIZE THE CLAY COUNTY RESIDENCY PORTION IN THE RUBRIC THAT WE'RE DEVELOPING. AND I'M WORKING WITH CONGRESSMAN BEAN TO GET A VETERAN OF THE YEAR UP TO DC. SO, THE PURPOSE OF THIS WHOLE PROCESS IS TO INSTITUTIONALIZE THE SELECTION PROCESS SO THAT

CAN MOVE UP THE CHAIN. >> AND WE HEAR YOU LOUD AND CLEAR. OBVIOUSLY, THIS IS OUT OF THE GATE, SOMETHING THAT WE'RE DEVELOPING AND MOVING FORWARD ON. WE HEAR THE BOARD LOUD AND CLEAR ON IT. YOU KNOW, HIGHEST PREFERENCE OF THE BOARD IS RESIDENT. WE HEAR THAT LOUD AND CLEAR. A SIGNIFICANT ACCOMPLISHMENT OR CONTRIBUTIONS TO THE VETERAN COMMUNITY IN THEIR CAPACITY WOULD BE THE SECONDARY PORTION OF IT. AND AS YOU MENTIONED, WE DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE A RUBRIC PER SE, WE COULD TAKE A LITTLE MORE IN DEPTH ON THAT. AND YOU KNOW, WE COULD, IT'S DIFFICULT TO GET TO THAT BECAUSE THEN YOU START PUTTING NUMBERS TO IT LIKE HOW MANY VETERANS DID IT SERVE.

BUT, IF YOU BUILT A HOUSE FOR ONE VETERAN AND HIS FAMILY, THAT'S SIGNIFICANT. SO, IT'S HARD TO USE NUMBERS THAT WAY.

SO, I THINK WE HAVE A BIT OF DIRECTION I JUST WANTED TO BE SURE THAT TROY FELT COMFORTABLE WITH IT AS WE MOVE FORWARD. AND WE WOULD BRING IT BACK TO THE NEXT BOARD MEETING. WE DID NOT NEED TO GET THIS DONE BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR, CORRECT, TROY?

>> I DON'T THINK WE HAVE TO GET IT DONE BEFORE THE END OF THE

YEAR. I MEAN. >> WE'LL BRING IT BACK.

>> CHAIR: THERE'S NO DEADLINE ON THIS?

>> I WOULD LIKE TO GO ON THE RECORD AND SAY, THERE'S NO DEADLINE, NO. I WOULD SAY IT'S NOT REQUIRED BEFORE THE END OF

THE YEAR. >> YEP.

>> SO, WE'LL, UM, TAKE THE GUIDANCE AS DISCUSSED THIS EVENING AND WE'LL MOVE FORWARD AND BRING IT BACK.

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>> CHAIR: OKAY. >> ARE YOU GOOD WITH US BRINGING IT BACK ON CONSENT AGENDA?

>> CHAIR: SURE. >> THANK YOU. MR. CHAIR WILL YOU WITH DRAW YOUR MOTION OR WILL WE VOTE ON THAT? WE HAVE THE MOTION AND SECOND ON THE FLOOR.

>> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. SO, GIVE IT BACK TO STAFF FOR REDEVELOPMENT INTO A RUBRIC THAT PRIORITIZED CLAY

COUNTY. >> I WITH DRAW MY SECOND.

[24. Progress Report on the Bonded Transportation Program (E. Dendor)]

>> WE'RE AT 4:58. AND WE'RE UP TO 28, I THINK.

>> BOND TRANSPORTATION PROGRAM ADMINISTRATOR. I'LL JUMP RIGHT INTO IT. THIS EVENING WITH ME, IS CARLOS CAMPOS WITH WGI AND WE'RE HERE TO UPDATE YOU ON THE PROGRESS THE TEAM'S MADE. THE TEAM FINALIZED CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS. AND THESE DOCUMENTS WERE USED TO ISSUE REQUEST FOR A BID. THE ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS MODULE ONE WAS RECEIVED. THE COUNTY SUPERIOR CONSTRUCTION CONTINUES WITH THE DESIGN AND BIMONTHLY STATUS MEETINGS. FINAL SIGNED SEALED PLANS WERE RELEASED FOR CONSTRUCTION. PHASE TWO IS IN THE PROCESS OF BEING EXECUTED.

TO BEGIN THE CONSTRUCTION, MULTIPLE PARTNERS RECEIVED AND DEVELOPMENT ISSUED. EFFORTS ARE UNDER WAY. FOR PROJECT NUMBER FIVE, COUNTY ROAD 220. FINAL SIGNED AND SEALED PLANS ARE BENDING, A RIGHT-OF-WAY ON SIGNIFICANTS CONTINUES PERMIT MODIFICATION IS UNDER REVIEW BY THE AGENCY. AND FOR PROJECT 6-A, COUNT ROAD 315, THE TEAM CONTINUES TO DEVELOP THE DESIGN WHICH IS DUE THE END OF THIS MONTH. WE CONTINUE THE ACQUISITION, WETLAND MITIGATION IS DUE FOR CONTINUATION. THE LOW BID WAS SUBMITTED BY KIRBY DEVELOPMENT. AND PRECONSTRUCTION KICKOFF MEETING WAS HELD AND CONTRACTOR HAS STARTED THEIR PROMOBILIZATION ACTIVITIES. AT THE NOVEMBER 28TH BOARD BUDGET WORKSHOP, THE COUNTY'S TEAM PRESENTED A GUARANTIED MAXIMUM PRICE FOR THE SECTION WHICH CONNECTS THE EASTERN END PROJECT NUMBER 4 AND RUNS THROUGH THE ROUND ABOUT ON COUNT LINE 2 B. IT WAS OVER THE PROJECT BUDGET.

IN THE BOARD MEETING THE SAME DAY THE BOARD GAVE DIRECTION FOR ADJUSTMENTS TO THE BOARD AND LINE ITEMS WILL BE BROUGHT BACK TO THE BOARD MEETING LATER THIS EVENING. FOR APPROVAL YOU FURTHER GAVE DIRECTION TO THE TEAM TO BRING BACK THE NUMBER P 3-B OFFER AND AN AGREEMENT FOR AN AWARD. THIS OFFER IS AGENDA ITEM 33 UNDER THE CERTAIN TIMED PORTION OF THE MEETING. THE TEAM CONTINUES WORKING WITH MULTIPLE PROPERTY OTHER THANES TO OBTAIN THE NECESSARY RIGHT-OF-WAY FOR THE REALIGNMENT ON THE POND SITES. ON PROJECT FOUR, SAND RIDGE ROAD THE CONSTRUCTION ACTIVITIES IS CONTINUING ALONG SAND RIDGE ROAD WITH THE MAJORITY OF THE STORM WATER DRAIN PIPE STRUCTURES, POND SITE AND ROAD CONSTRUCTION ON THE NORTH SIDE OF SAND RIDGE.

AND MOVING TO 6 B, WHICH IS THE CATHEDRAL PARKWAY, THE TREE CLEARING IS ESSENTIALLY COMPLETED THROUGHOUT THE CORRIDOR, GRUBBING, CUTTING AND FILLED DIRT OPERATIONS CONTINUE THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE ROADWAY CORRIDOR FROM STATE ROAD 23 AT THE FAR WEST END ALL THE WAY THROUGH TO THE PROJECT'S EAST END AT COUNTY ROAD 315. THE OPERATIONS CONTINUES AT THE BRIDGE. IN SUPPORT OF ALL OF THIS WORK, WGI CONTINUES TO WORK

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ACROSS THE ENTIRE PROGRAM SPECTRUM. THIS CONCLUDES OUR

REPORT. SNOOP ANY QUESTIONS? >> .

>> CHAIR: THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.

>> CHAIR: WE'LL MOVE NOW TO TIME 10, IT'S A LITTLE BIT AFTER

[31. Public Hearing on Ordinance and Resolution to Amend the Capital Improvement Plan and Other Budget Adjustments (R. Kantor)]

5:00. WE MOVE ONTO ITEM NUMBER 31. AND JUST FOR EDIFICATION, NUMBER 40 HAS BEEN WITHDRAWN. SO, IF YOU ARE HERE FOR 40, THAT WILL NOT BE DISCUSSED TONIGHT. SO, ITEM 31 IS PUBLIC HEARING ON ORDINANCE IN RESOLUTION TO AMEND THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN AND OTHER BUDGET AMENDMENTS BY REGGIE KANTOR, TO CONSIDER IMPROVEMENTS AMENDING THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT ELEMENT AND THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN AND B APPROVAL OF RESOLUTION AMENDING THE NON-C I.E. PORTION OF CLAY COUNTY CIP AND ITEM C IS APPROVAL OF AMENDMENT FOR THE FISCAL 23/24 BUDGET AS WELL AS D, APPROVAL OF THE AMENDMENT TO PROVIDE BUDGET FOR PICKLEBALL.

>> THIS ITEM IS BUDGETARILY, THE CHANGES FOR THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN SINCE THE LAST BCC MEETING. SINCE THE INTENT WAS TO PROVIDE BUDGET FOR THE PROJECTS A PUBLIC HEARING WAS NEEDED FOR THE ABOVE THE LINE PROJECTS. SO, IT INVOLVES ROAD PROJECTS AND IMPACT FEES ARE ALL ABOVE THE LINE. SO, THAT WAS WHAT WAS NEEDED TO COBBLE TOGETHER THE BUDGET NEEDED TO

FUND PROJECT 3. >> CHAIR: SO, A LOT OF MOVING

PARTS IN THIS BUDGET AMENDMENT? >> SEVERAL.

>> CHAIR: YEAH. >> .

>> CHAIR: I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS ITEM

NUMBER 31, CARROLL NEWBURN. >> GOOD EVENING.

>> GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS AND STAFF. I'M CARROLL NEWBURN.

MY ADDRESS IS ON FILE. AFTER WATCHING THE LAST BCC MEETING FOR ABOUT FIVE HOURS, I WANT TO THANK YOU AND EXPRESS MY APPRECIATION FOR THE TIME AND TALENT YOU INVEST IN OUR COMMUNITY. I CAN SEE YOU WERE ALL STRIVING FOR THE BEST FOR CLAY COUNTY. YOU WORK VERY HARD.

>> CHAIR: PULL THE MIC DOWN JUST A BIT.

>> YOU WORK VERY HARD TO BALANCE GROWTH AND QUALITY OF LIFE. MY QUESTION IS, IF THE TRADEOFF OF ADDED GROWTH AT THE EXPENSE OF THE CHARACTER AND QUALITY OF OUR COMMUNITY IS TO BRING IN MORE REVENUE, WHERE'S THE MONEY? I APPRECIATE YOU TAKING RESPONSIBILITY TO SPEND TAX DOLLARS WISELY, BUT, WHY AT THE LAST MEETING DID I SEE YOU CRUNCHING NUMBERS TO MEET BASIC REQUESTS FOR FUNDING VARIOUS PROJECTS WITH THE AMOUNT OF NEW GROWTH, I WOULD THINK THAT WE WOULD BE FLUSH WITH MONEY FOR ALL INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS WITHOUT TAKING FROM BASIC QUALITY OF LIFE PROJECTS FOR OUR COUNTY. THANK YOU.

>> CHAIR: THANK YOU. I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER CARDS ON 31. ANY

OTHER PUBLIC COMMENTS? >> I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMISSION.

>> I'LL MOVE APPROVAL MR. CHAIRMA, BUT, I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE QUESTION. I THINK THAT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE BEEN FACED WITH IS INCREASED COST. AND, SO, WHILE WE DO HAVE INCREASED TAX REVENUE FROM INCREASED RESIDENTS AND HOMES BUILT HERE AND, UM, IN THOSE KINDS OF THINGS, THE PRICE OF EVERYTHING HAS GONE UP AS YOU SEE AT THE GROCERY STORE AND THE GAS PUMP AND EVERYWHERE ELSE IN YOUR LIFE. AND SO, THAT'S WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO BALANCE. I APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS BECAUSE WE MADE A VERY DIFFICULT DECISION FOR ABOUT 20,000 RESIDENTS AT THE WE SERVE 231,000 RESIDENTS IN CLAY COUNTY. AND, THE $7.8 MLLION THAT WE CAME UP WITH WERE REALLY TO SERVE ABOUT 20,000 RESIDENTS. 20 TO 25,000 RESIDENTS BASED ON OUR ENGINEERING ESTIMATES. AND THAT WAS PRIMARILY ABOUT PUBLIC SAFETY BECAUSE THOSE RESIDENTS TRAVEL ON THAT ROAD AND SAFETY AND IT'S EASY TO SECOND GUESS THE DECISIONS WE MAKE. THAT'S

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WHERE WE'RE UP FOR ELECTION EVERY FOUR YEARS AND OUR SEATS ARE. AND IT IS DIFFICULT TO MAKE THOSE DECISION AND WE DON'T ALWAYS GET THEM RIGHT. AND PAST COMMISSIONS BEFORE US MAY NOT HAVE GOTTEN THEM RIGHT. BUT, I DO BELIEVE, I THINK COMMISSIONER CELLA SAID AT THE LAST MEETING EVERYONE MAKES THESE DECISIONS WITH THE BEST INTENTIONS FOR THE COUNTY. SO, I'LL SUPPORT THESE, WE DID WORK VERY HARD AT THE LAST MEETING TO TRY AND GET WHERE WE NEEDED TO BE WITH BALANCING THE NEEDS OF ALL DISTRICTS AND SO, I HOPE THAT WE DID A GOOD JOB. WE'LL FIND OUT AND YOU ALL WILL TELL US AT THE BALLET BOX IF WE DID OR NOT. AT

ANY RATE. >> CHAIR: SO, THAT'S A MOTION

TO APPROVE? >> YES, SIR.

>> CHAIR: THANK YOU. >> I HAVE A QUESTION, WE CAN'T APPROVE 31 UNTIL WE ACTUALLY -- UNLESS WE DECIDE NOT TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ON ITEM 32 WHICH IS THE PICKLEBALL, RIGHT?

>> YEAH, MY MOTION COULD BE JUST FOR A, B, AND C.

>> OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION FOR AB AND C.

>> I'M GLAD TO SECOND THAT. AND ALSO, A DISCUSSION ITEM, I WOULD LIKE TO FOLLOW UP ON WHAT COMMISSIONER CONDON SAID FOR MS. NEWBURN, YOU WERE WONDERING WHY AT THE LAST MINUTE WE HAD TO GET IN THERE AND SCRATCH AROUND TO TRY AND FIND $7.7 MILLION TO DO THE ROAD IMPROVEMENTS IN RUSSELL ROAD AND THE SAND RIDGE AREA.

WELL, WE HAD OUR BUDGET BALANCED AND PUT TO BED JUST AS EVERYBODY IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA HAS TO HAVE A BALANCED BUDGET. THE COST FOR DOING, UM, IT THE INTERSECTION AND THE AS WE CALL IT THE SWOOSH WHICH IS MOVING SAND RIDGE TO CREATE AN INTERSECTION THERE CAME IN AT $7.7 MILLION OVER BUDGET. SO, WE WANTED TO, AS COMMISSIONER CONDON SAID TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THE SAFETY OF THOSE PEOPLE WHO DRIVE THOSE ROADS AND WHETHER IT'S 25,000 OR WHATEVER, I DON'T DRIVE THAT EVERYDAY BUT I CERTAINLY DRIVE IT ENOUGH TO KNOW THAT I WOULD LIKE TO BE AS SAFE AS POSSIBLE WHEN THE ROADS ARE FINALLY COMPLETED. WE HAD TO FIND THE $7.7 MILLION. THAT REQUIRED US TO GO BACK INTO THE BUDGET AND THOSE ITEMS ALREADY PASSED AND APPROVE BY THIS BOARD SO THAT WE COULD HAVE A BALANCED BUDGET, WE HAD TO SCRATCH AND CLAW TO TAKE BITS AND PIECES FROM ALL THE ITEMS THAT WE THOUGHT MIGHT BE OVER BUDGETED OR SACRIFICED TO BE ABLE TO PULL THE MONEY OUT OF THE LINE ITEMS COMBINED ENOUGH TO GET THE $7.7 MILLION. SO, THAT'S THE REASON WHY WE LOOKED LIKE WE WERE TRYING TO RAID THE PIGGY BANKS AND TRYING TO FIND THE LOOSE CHANGE HERE. AND THAT'S ESSENTIALLY WHAT WE DID.

WE FOUND ENOUGH TO BE ABLE TO DO THE WORK THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.

IN TERMS OF ALL THE MONEY THAT WE'RE SUPPOSEDLY GETTING, AND I CHUCKLE WHEN I READ FACEBOOK AND SEE PEOPLE CALLING US GREEDY.

WE DO GET IMPACT FEES AND MOBILITY FEES ALL OF THOSE ARE PUT ASIDE TO BE USED FOR SPECIFIC PURPOSES. MOST OF IT, IN TERMS OF MOBILITY FEES IS FOR ROADS. ONE OF THE PROBLEMS THAT WE HAD IS WE BORROWED $130 MILLION TO DO OUR BOND AND TRANSPORTATION PROGRAM AND THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN FINE EXCEPT WHEN WE RUN INTO 40% INCREASES BECAUSE OF INFLATION. SO, THAT $130 MILLION PROGRAM IS NOW, 180. SO, WE HAD TO MAKE UP THE DIFFERENCE AND FIND $50 MILLION FROM SOMEWHERE TO BUILD THOSE ROADS AND ADD ON AND IN SOME CASES, YOU KNOW, EX-SPANNED CAPACITY. AND IN SOME CASES WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO DO THAT BECAUSE WE STILL DON'T HAVE ENOUGH MONEY BECAUSE OF THE COST INCREASES THAT WE'RE FACING, WHETHER AT THE GROCERY STORE OR THE GAS STATION OR WHEREVER. THOSE THINGS ALSO IMPACT CONSTRUCTION. NOT ONLY FOR PERSONNEL. BUT, ALSO COSTS OF MATERIAL. SO, I HOPE THAT ANSWERS A LITTLE BIT OF YOUR QUESTION AS TO WHY WE WERE DOING THAT AND IT SHOULD HAVE WITHIN EXPLAINED AS WE WERE DOING IT BUT WE WERE SO INTENT ON GETTING THAT DONE THAT SOMETIMES WE DON'T STOP TO EXPLAIN EVERY LITTLE THING THAT WE'RE DOING. IT WAS $7.7 MILLION. WE GOT THE BILL, AND WE DETERMINED THAT WAS IMPORTANT ENOUGH TO GO AHEAD AND BUILD THAT INTERSECTION AND THAT PORTION OF THE IMPROVEMENTS.

SO, WE HAD TO FIND IT FROM SOMEPLACE. LET ME PUT IT THIS WAY F THEY DID THAT IN WASHINGTON, MAYBE WE WOULD PAY LESS IN TERMS OF INCOME TAX BECAUSE INSTEAD OF PRINTING NEW MONEY TO PAY FOR SOMETHING, THEY WOULD HAVE TO GO INTO THE BUDGET AND TAKE $20 MILLION BACK AND SPLIT IT AMONGST THREE OR FOUR

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STATES, FLORIDA YOU CAN'T HAVE THAT DEEP WATER PORT THIS YEAR, MAYBE NEXT YEAR. WE DON'T PRINT MONEY. ALTHOUGH, SOME PEOPLE ON FACEBOOK SAY THAT WE DO. WE DO NOT. SO, I HOPE THAT HELPS EVERYBODY EXPLAINED ABOUT WHAT THE PROCESS IS THERE. SO, HERE WE'RE LOOKING AT TAKING THE PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVING THOSE MONEYS BUT WHAT WE HAVEN'T APPROVED IS THE INCREASE IN THE COST FOR PICKLEBALL COURTS. SO, THAT WILL BE A DISCUSSION COMING UP HERE IN A MOMENT. AND I'M SURE THAT WE PROBABLY HAVE A NUMBER OF PEOPLE SPEAKING ON THAT ISSUE AS WELL. THANK YOU,

MR. CHAIR. >> CHAIR: THANK YOU. ANY

OTHER COMMENTS? >> I'M GOING TO, CARROLL, IT APPEARS AS IF THERE'S A LOT OF MONEY BUT THERE'S A LOT OF REQUIREMENTS TOO. AND WE TALKED ABOUT INFLATION. AND COMMISSIONER CELLA TALKED ABOUT RESTRICTED FUNDS AND UNRESTRICTED FUNDS. WE STOOD UP AS A COMMISSION. WE STOOD UP A GRANT DEPARTMENT TO LOOK FOR ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT WE JUST APPROVED WAS IT LOOK AT A BRIDGE ON TWO 17 USING ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEER FUNDS WHICH WAS A NEW FUNDING SOURCE TO A LOT OF US, BUT, WE HAVE A GREAT GRANT DEPARTMENT THAT'S LOOKING UNDER EVERY ROCK FOR FUNDS TO HELP IMPROVE THE IT AND, IMPROVE THE QUALITY OF LIFE FOR CLAY COUNTY RESIDENTS TO APPROVE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IN CLAY COUNTY. APPROVE, UM, TRANSPORTATION SAFETY WE HAVE A LOT OF NEEDS IN CLAY COUNTY. AND OUR BUDGETEERS ARE LOOKING ALL THE TIME FOR INFLATION EVEN THOUGH WE PASSED THAT BUDGET NOT TOO LONG AGO, LIKE, WITHIN A MONTH, I THINK, HERE WE ARE LOOKING AND SCROUNGING FOR MORE MONEY BECAUSE WE HAVE TO. IT'S, THE WAY OF LIFE TODAY. YOUR LIFE AT HOME IS MAGNIFIED MANY TIMES UP HERE WHEN YOU HAVE 230,000 PEOPLE TO TAKE CARE OF. IT'S VERY COMPLEX. IT'S VERY DIFFICULT, BUT, WE GET PAID THE BIG BUCKS TO MAKE THE HARD

DECISIONS. >> THROUGH THE CHAIR, JUST ONE MORTEM. I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THANK YOU, MS. NEWBURN FOR ASKING THAT QUESTION. I APPRECIATE ALLOWING US TO

EXPLAIN. >> CARROLL'S ACTIVE IN THE COMMUNITY. AND WE APPRECIATE YOU.

>> CHAIR: WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. AND WE HAD SOME DISCUSSION. IS THERE ANYMORE DISCUSSION? SO, THE MOTION AND THE SECOND IS TO APPROVE AB AND C OF THE CIP HERE. CORRECT?

>> YES. >> ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

(CHORUS OF AYES) >> ANY NAYS, LIKE SIGN?

>> CHAIR: PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. >> MR. CHAIR, I WOULD LIKE THE RECORD TO SHOW THAT YOU CREATED A NEW CATEGORY, THE BUDGETEERS, IF IT'S ANYTHING LIKE THE MOUSEKATEERS?

>> THAT IS THE THEME RIGHT? >> OKAY. PART D APPLIES TO A SEPARATE AMENDMENT THAT I PREPARED JUST FOR THE PICKLEBALL COURT. IT'S THE AMOUNT NEEDED TO EQUAL THE QUOTE FOR AUGUSTA SAVAGE. AND WE'VE NOW RENAMED IT TO PICKLEBALL COURTS TO GIVE YOU LEEWAY. BUT, THIS PLACES THE MONEY THERE AND IT'S UP TO

YOU TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO USE IT. >> CHAIR: SO, CAN WE MOVE ONTO 32? OR DO WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING WITH D ON 31? ? WELL, YOU CAN'T APPROVE 32 IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE MONEY IN THE

BUDGET? >> OKAY.

>> YOU CAN TAKE THEM TOGETHER, IF YOU WANT. BUT, I'LL MOVE THAT WE APPROVE ITEM D AS WRITTEN.

>>>. >> CHAIR: SO, THE MOTION IS TO APPROVE THE LINE ITEM FOR PICKLEBALL IT COURTS.

>> SO, MY QUESTION BEFORE DECIDING ON A MOTION OR MAYBE SECOND, BUT, ALL WE HAVE IS THE APPROVAL OF THE AMENDMENT TO PROVIDE BUDGET. WE HAVEN'T BEEN TOLD WHAT THE BUDGET IS.

>> HE SAID IT'S TO THE AMOUNT OF 460.

>> OF THE LAST BID? >> RIGHT. SO AN INCREASE OF A LITTLE OVER $211,000 WHICH GETS THAT TOTAL UP TO JUST UNDER $465,000. WHICH IS WHAT WOULD BE NEEDED FOR THE AUGUSTA SAVAGE. THAT'S WHAT'S IN THE BUDGET CIP AND THAT'S WHAT THE

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BUDGET IS FOR THE CATEGORY OF PICKLEBALL COURTS.

>> THE FULL 400-WHATEVER-THOUSAND.

>> SO, IT'S $464,000. >> WE'RE APPROVING THAT RIGHT

NOW? >> WELL, THAT'S THE MOTION.

>> I HAVE A SECOND. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APROVE THE LINE ITEM IN THE BUDGET FOR 464 THOUSAND 8 HUNDRED AND $0.31. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION?

>> WELL, I DO HAVE A DISCUSSION POINT BECAUSE, I THINK THAT WE'RE JUMPING INTO APPROVING, NOT THAT I'M ANTIPICKLEBALL PERSON, CERTAINLY, BY THE WAY, NICK FOHLS WHO PLAYED WITH THE JAGUARS JUST WON A TOURNAMENT. I WISH WE COULD GET SOME OF THAT MONEY TO PAY FOR THE PICKLEBALL COURTS. IT'S A DIFFERENT DYNAMIC BECAUSE WE HAVE THE CITY OF GREEN COVE INVOLVED. THIS WAS A BUDGET PROCESS THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT FOR CLAY COUNTY OURSELVES, THERE WOULD BE A LOT OF QUESTIONS AS TO WHY WE START ORIGINALLY TO $300,000 AND IT'S GROWN TO $464,000. WHICH IS A 50% INCREASE. AND AGAIN, THERE'S THE INCREASE OF COST BOTH ON THE PERSONNEL SIDE AND, YOU KNOW, JUST THE WORK PLUS THE MATERIALS. SO, THAT, YOU KNOW, EVEN WITH RUDIMENTARY MATH, THAT'S A 50% INCREASE. SO JBS HERE WE WERE JUST TWO WEEKS AGO SCRAPPING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE COULD GET A ROAD PAVED AND WE'RE GOING TO SPEND AN EXTRA $150,000 OR $164,000 AN PICKLEBALL COURTS AND AGAIN, NOT A PICKLEBALL HATER BUT I'M LOOKING AT THE BUDGET AND WHAT WE'VE HAD DO TO DO ALL THE THINGS THAT WE'RE DOING TO TRY AND IMPROVE THE COUNTY. SO, I JUST WANTED WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT T DO WE HAVE SOMEBODY MAYBE HOWARD, MAYBE YOU COULD REMIND ME IS GREEN COVE PARTICIPATING AT ALL IN THE

FUND? >> IT'S JUST OVER $25,000 FOR THEIR CONTRIBUTION IN IT AND THE LAND, TOO, IS PART OF GREEN COVE

SPRINGS. >> WE'RE ONTO ITEM 32, BUT, REALLY WE'RE ON 31-D WHICH IS JUST THE NUMBER IN THE BUDGET FOR PICKLEBALL COURTS. WHERE IS ITEM 32.

>> SO, HERE'S MY THOUGHT PROCESS AND WHY I MADE THE MOTION TO MOVE THE MONEY, IS DEPENDING ON WHAT HAPPENS ON ITEM 32 IN THE EVENT THAT IT DOES NOT GET APPROVED, UM, THEN, DEPENDING ON WHERE WE GO WITH THAT, REG STILL MAY NEED THAT LINE ITEM FOR PICKLEBALL IF WE GO A DIFFERENT DIRECTION FOR PICKLEBALL AND IF NOT WE COULD BRING BACK A BUDGET RESOLUTION

TO MOVE IT SOMEWHERE ELSE. >> I UNDERSTAND.

>> I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING TOO. I HAVE A LIST OF

QUESTIONS FOR ITEM 32. >> CHAIR: SO, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE THE CIP, LINE ITEM PICKLEBALL COURTS FOR $464,830.31. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION?

>> ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. >>

(CHORUS OF AYES). >> CHAIR: ANY NAYS, LIKE

[32. Bid No. 23/24-018, Green Cove Springs Augusta Savage Arts & Community Center Pickleball Courts Project - RE-BID (K. Smith)]

SIGN. PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. >>> WE'LL OPEN UP ITEM 32.

WHICH IS A BID FOR GREEN COVE SPRINGS AUGUSTA SAVAGE ARTS AND COMMUNITY CECENTER PICKLEBALL COURTS PROJECT KAREN SMITH.

>>> GOOD AFTERNOON. YES. BEFORE YOU IS THE ITEM TO AWARD THE GREEN COVE SPRINGS AUGUSTA SAVAGE PICKLEBALL COURT BID THE AMOUNT DISCUSSED, THE $464,830.31. OF THAT THE PORTION OF GREEN COVE SPRINGS. $28,334.87.

>> THANK YOU. >> WE HAD SEVEN COMPANIES ATTEND THE PRE-BID. THREE THAT BID ON IT. I DO UNDERSTAND SOME OF THE SUBS FOR THE COMPANY THAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING WAS THERE AT

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THE PRE-BID MEETING. I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

>>> IS THIS A PUBLIC HEARING? >> NO, IT'S NOT.

>> OKAY. >> CHAIR: THERE ARE SEVERAL PEOPLE THAT WANT TO SPEAK TO THIS ITEM. AND I'M GOING TO ALLOW THAT. SO, ITEM 32, BILL BANE, I'VE GOT TWO CARDS ON YOU.

ONE I UNDERSTAND AND THE OTHER I DON'T UNDERSTAND.

>> PARDON MY CHICKEN SCRATCH. I'M PHIL BARE IN FLEMING ISLAND.

I'M HERE SUPPORTING THE PICKLEBALL COURTS.

>> HERE AT THE LAST MEETING AS WELL. AND WE'VE GOT OUR PICKLEBALL GROUP SUPPORTING THIS. SOME THINGS THAT I WANTED TO BRING UP REFERENCE TO THE PICKLEBALL COURTS BUT THIS IS A RECREATION FACILITY FOR NUMEROUS PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY HERE.

THE LOCATION THERE AT GREEN COVE SPRINGS RIGHT BY THE GYM IS CENTRAL FOR A LOT OF FOLKS. AND WE'RE SEEING THE GROWTH IN PICKLEBALL, ESPECIALLY IN YOUTH EXPANDING IMMENSELY. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU KNOW RIGHT NOW, BUT, WE'VE GOT THREE YOUTH IN CLAY COUNTY THAT HAVE JUST COMPETED IN NATIONAL EVENTS, BOTH IN DALLAS, TEXAS AND DOWN IN DAYTONA. AND THEY WON GOLD IN THE MIXED DOUBLES AND AS WELL ON THE SINGLES. PICKLEBALL, I'M CONVINCED WILL BE AN OLYMPIC, GLOBAL SUPPORT. WE'VE SEEN THE NOTORIETY THAT OUR OLYMPIC SWIMMER BROUGHT US, I THINK THAT WE'LL SEE IT WITH PICKLEBALL DOWN THE ROAD. IT'S GREAT TO SEE, I LIVE IN EAGLE HARBOR AND WE HAVE THREE NEW COURTS AND EVERY AFTERNOON THERE'S A SCHOOL OF 25-30 KIDS PLAYING AND THEY'RE NOT ON THEIR CELLPHONES AND I THINK THAT'S HUGE FOR US.

I KNOW THAT WE STARTED THIS LOCATION, WE LOOKED AT THE OLD TENNIS COURTS AS WELL AS THE BALL FIELD AND BOTH WHEN THEY LOOKED AT THOSE WERE TURNED DOWN FOR A LACK OF PARKING AND OTHER REASONS. AND THE PLACE BY GREEN COVE WOULD BE THE BEST LOCATION.

IF WE KICK THIS DOWN THE ROAD, THE COST WILL BE GOING UP AND THE INFLATION WILL KILL THE WHOLE PROJECT AND IT WILL OPEN UP AH ANOTHER 50-60%, IF WE'RE DOWN ANOTHER YEAR OR TWO. I'M ASKING FORT BOARD TO PLEASE CONSIDER. I KNOW MONEY'S TIGHT AND I KNOW THERE'S ALWAYS UNFUNDED REQUIREMENTS, BUT I THINK THIS WILL SERVE A BIG PORTION OF THE COMMUNITY.

THERE'S EITHER 16-30 PEOPLE WAITING TO PLAY. AND THE ONLY REASON THAT WE DON'T HAVE MORE BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE CAPACITY. THAT WILL INCREASE THE CAPACITY IN THE CITY AND IT WILL BE GREAT FOR A MULTITUDE OF PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY AND AGAIN I'M ASKING FOR THE CONSIDERATION TO REALLY THINK

ABOUT THAT. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.

>> CHAIR: ERIC STEVENS? >> GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONER AND RESIDENTS. SO, I'M SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF GREEN COVE SPRINGS BASEBALL AND SOFTBALL ASSOCIATION.

>> CHAIR: SPEAK INTO THE MIC, PLEASE.

>> I'M HERE SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF GREEN COVE SPRINGS BASEBALL AND SOFTBALL ASSOCIATION. WE'VE HAD AN INCREASE OF PLAYERS THROUGHOUT THE LAST COUPLE OF SEASONS, FALL OF 22 AND 23 WE HAD 284 PLAYERS, BOTH FALL SOAPS AND THIS UPCOMES SPRING WE'RE EXPECTING OVER 300 PLAYERS. WE HAD THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT WHICH IS BEING REPLACED BY THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. WE USE THAT PARKING THERE AS PARKING. I KNOW IT WAS AUG AUGUSTA SAVAGE. WE WANTED TO MAKE SHOO THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN BECAUSE WE'RE RESTRICTED IN PARKING AS IT IS IN KARL PEW PARK. WE'RE UTILIZING THE CURRENT REAL ESTATE THAT WE HAVE AT OUR MAX CAPACITY. UM, WE'RE VERY ENGAGED IN THE COMMUNITY AND PLANNING ON HOSTING SPECIAL EVENTS AS WE JUST DID THIS PAST HALLOWEEN. WE HAD OUR HALLOWEEN BASH WHERE WE HAD OUR PLAYERS AND TEAMS DECORATE TENTS AND PASS OUT CANDY. ADDITIONALLY WE WANT TO PLAN ON A FUTURE EVENT SUCH AS AN ANNUAL CAR SHOW. IF

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THIS PICKLEBALL COMES OVER TO KARL PEW PARK, IT TAKES AWAY FROM THE ADDITIONAL PARKING THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE. WE'RE CURRENTLY IN SOME SPOTS WE'RE HAVING TO DOUBLE PARK AS IT IS.

GREEN COVE IS INVESTING IN OUR COMMUNITY WITH OUR KID AND WE SPENT OVER $20,000 TO EXPAND OUR BATTING CAGE AREA AND THESE PROJECTS ARE FUNDED BY GREEN COVE SPRINGS AND ATHLETIC ASSOCIATIONS AND OUR SPONSORS. WE WERE CHALLENGED DUE TO THE INCREASE OF OUR RESIGNATION. WE REACHED OUT TO GREEN COVE, THE CITY OF GREEN COVE, TO UTILIZE FRANCIS AND AUGUSTA SAVAGE AS WELL JUST TO HOST PRACTICES TO MITIGATE SOME OF THE REST RESTRICTIONS THAT WE HAVE IN THE PARK. WE ASK THAT YOU ASSIST US IN OUR GROWING PAINS AN NOT MAKE IT MORE DIFFICULT FOR US?

>> THE NEXT ONE I HAVE IS GLEE GLEESON.

>> I'M GLEE GLEESON, 1087 SPRING STREET, GREEN CO-SPRINGS FLORIDA. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR CONSIDERING OUR CITY TO HAVE MORE RECREATION. I APPRECIATE THAT. AND DR. BURKE, THANK YOU FOR ALL OF YOUR HARD WORK THAT YOU'VE DONE ON THIS. ACTUALLY, OFFERING $100,000 AWHILE BACK. ALSO, BEFORE WE GO ON, I WOULD LIKE TO THANK THE CITY COUNCIL OF GREENCO SPRINGS FOR ALL OF YOUR HARD WORK AND MOST OF ALL, THANK YOU FOR LETTING US USE YOUR GYM. THAT'S THREE COURTS THAT WE HAVE, AND WE'RE PROUD TO HAVE THEM AND WE'VE MADE OUR HIGH SCHOOL PROBABLY OVER $20,000 FOR STUDENT SCHOLARSHIPS. SIX MORE COURTS WOULD BE GREAT TO HAVE. AND WE'RE ALWAYS UP FOR DOING SOME TYPE OF CHARITY FOR THE CITY AND THE COUNTY. BUT, I THANK YOU IF YOU WOULD CONSIDER THIS AND, AND I WOULD HATE TO SEE IT MOVE AND GO TO ANOTHER PART OF THIS CITY. ONE THING THAT YOU'RE GETTING, YOU'RE GETTING THE LAND FREE. FROM THE CITY. YOU DON'T HAVE TO PAY FOR THAT. YOU KNOW, YOU'VE ALREADY PAID $15,000 ON DESIGNS. THERE'S JUST THERE'S JUST MORE MONEY THAT COULD BE SAVED INSTEAD OF SPENDING MORE MONEY. I THINK THERE WERE TWO COURT IT IS DONE LAST YEAR OR A YEAR AND-A-HALF THAT WAS AROUND APPROXIMATELY, JUST TWO COURTS, I'M SORRY, NOT TWO COURTS, BUT, TWO PARKWISE PICKLEBALL COURTS WHICH WAS LIKE 310 OR $320,000.

SO, UM, I KNOW IT'S A LOT OF MONEY. BUT, IT'S GOING TO BE EVEN MORE MONEY IF WE START MOVING THIS DOWN THE ROAD AND, UM, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR CONSIDERING IT. AND THINK ABOUT ALL THE KIDS. AND, ALL OF US OLD FOLKS THAT GETS TO HAVE SOME FITNESS IN OUR LIVES. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU, COACH. >>

(APPLAUSE) >> CHAIR: SO, WHAT'S BEFORE US IS ITEM 32 IS THE APPROVAL OF THE AUGUSTA SASAVAGE PICKLEBALL COURTS SIX COURTS, IT WAS BID AND CAME IN WELL OVER OUR ESTIMATES AND SO IT WAS REBID AND IT CAME UP WELL OVER OUR ESTIMATES AT $464,000. SO, WHAT WE HAVE BEFORE US IS TO EITHER FUND THIS OR TO FUND AN ALTERNATIVE SITE. JUSTIN, DO

YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS? >> I'M HERE TO PROVIDE ANSWERS OR ELABORATE ON ANYTHING THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE TO ASK. JUST ASK

AND WE CAN FIRE AWAY. >> JUSTIN, I HAVE QUESTIONS FOR

YOU? >> YES, MA'AM.

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>> SO, UM, MAYBE THE COUNTY MANAGERICAL ANSWER THIS, BUT, THE CITY PROVIDED $28,000, IS THERE ANY ADDITIONAL MONEYS THAT

THE CITY WILL PROVIDE? >> YES. CURRENTLY THEY PROVIDED $15,000 TOWARD THE DESIGNS, SO, $28,334 PLUS THE $15,000 IN THE DESIGNS FOR THE CONTRIBUTIONS OF THE CITY SO

FAR. >> I UNDERSTAND THAT WE HAVE AN INNER LOCAL AGREEMENT DESIGN WORK OF THE CITY AND THE COUNTY FOR ADDITIONAL ASKS THAT THEY HAD FOR FUTURE LIGHTING. AND THE THIRD WAS FURTHER, GOING INTO DETAIL ABOUT AS THE BIDS CAME BACK WHAT WOULD BE THE RESPONSIBILITY CONSTRUCTION WISE OF THE CITY AND THE COUNTY'S RESPONSIBILITIES. SO, THAT WAS BROKEN OUT AND THAT'S HOW WE GOT TO THE NUMBER OF $28,000 FOR THE CITY VERSUS $464,000 FOR THE COUNTY.

>> IT GUARANTIES PUBLIC USE FOR RESIDENTS AND THE SECOND WILL BE THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE MAINTENANCE WILL BE ON THE CITY AFTER THE AMENITY IS BUILT, THE KEYS AND THE AMENITY WILL BE HANDED OVER AND ANY FUTURE MAINTENANCE WOULD BE THE

RESPONSIBILITY OF THE CITY. >> OKAY. BUT, IT DOESN'T GO AS FAR AS IF THE CITY OR IF THE ORGANIZATION HOST IT IS TOURNAMENTS THERE, FUNDRAISING OPPORTUNITIES, THE COUNTY TAX

PAYERS ARE JUST OUT, RIGHT? >> THE INTERLOCAL ONLY COVERS THAT THE AMENITY NEEDS TO BE OPEN FOR PUBLIC USE. SO, IF THERE NEEDS TO BE FURTHER DISCUSSION OF BEEFING THAT UP, THAT WOULD BE A DISCUSSION STAFF COULD HAVE.

>> AND MY LAST QUESTION, I THINK IS FOR KAREN, IS THERE A NOT TO

EXCEED IN THIS BID? >> THAT WOULD BE IN THE AGREEMENT. THIS IS JUST AWARDING THE BID. BUT, CURRENTLY IT'S THE ITEMS THAT THEY BID ON AND WE DON'T

ANTICIPATE ANY CHANGE ORDERS. >> WE NEVER DO BUT THEY COME

BACK. >> CAN'T GUARANTY ANYTHING.

MR. CHAIRMAN, I SUPPORT THIS WITH STIPULATIONS AND MY STIPULATIONS WOULD BE THAT THE AGREEMENT HAVE A NOT TO EXCEED IN IT THAT THE CLAY COUNTY TAXPAYERS BE DONE. THAT THIS AMOUNT IS THE AMOUNT, AND NOT ONE DOLLAR MORE, BUT, THAT THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT INCLUDE THE COUNTY. AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS BEFORE ANY OF US SERVED, THAT THE COUNTY GAVE MONEY TOWARD THE RESTORATION OF THE CITY POOL AT THE GREEN COVE SPRINGS AND THE COUNTY HAS NO SAY ON ANYTHING THAT GOES ON AT THE POOL. AND, YOU KNOW, COMMISSIONER COMPERE YOU REALLY IMPACTED ME, I REALLY THOUGHT ABOUT YOUR STATEMENTS AT THE LAST MEETING WHEN YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE USE TAXPAYER FUNDS TO PURCHASE FOR THE TAXPAYERS, TO PURCHASE LAND OR BUILD SOMETHING, WHATEVER, THAT IT BE AVAILABLE TO THE, AND THAT THE COUNTY MAINTAIN SOME SORT OF CONTROL OVER THAT. AND THE POOL SEEMS TO BE THE ONLY THING THAT WE'VE DONE THAT WITH TO MY KNOWLEDGE THAT WE HAVEN'T MAINTAINED CONTROL OVER AGAIN, THAT'S THE CITY OF GREEN COVE SPRINGS AND SO NOW WE'RE PUTTING ANOTHER ASSET INTO THE CITY OF GREEN COVE SPRINGS WITH NOTHING ENSURING THE USE BY THE COUNTY RESIDENTS. SO, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE, UM, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING IN THE INTERLOCAL THAT, WHETHER THAT'S PARKS AND RECREATION, I DON'T KNOW. IF THE BOOKING OF THOSE EVENTS AND THINGS COULD HAPPEN THROUGH THE COUNTY, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT MAKES SENSE. BUT, THAT SEEMS TO MAKE SENSE IN MY HEAD.

THE ONLY OTHER THING THAT I HAVE TO SAY IS THAT I WILL SUPPORT THIS IN GREEN COVE SPRINGS WITH THE AGREEMENT THAT WHEN WE GO TO DO BUDGETING FOR 24-25, THAT WE KIND OF COMMIT TO COMING UP WITH LIGHTS FOR THREE OF OUR OTHER PICKLEBALL COURTS. BECAUSE, WE'RE ABOUT TO SPEND A LOT MORE MONEY ON AN ASSET FOR NOT OUR RESIDENTS. I MEAN, THEY ARE OUR RESIDENTS. YOU ARE OUR RESIDENTS AND YOU ARE TAXPAYERS. BUT, IT'S NOT A COUNTY ASSET.

THEN, WE SPENT AT THE OTHERS. WE HAVE HAD REQUESTS FOR LIGHTING AT WE BARNS PICKLEBALL COURTS, TWIN LAKES PICKLEBALL COURTS AND RONNIE VAN ZANDT. SO, I'M WILLING TO REPORT THIS, BUT IN OUR NEXT BUDGET CYCLE, I BELIEVE THAT WE OWE IT TO OTHER

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TAXPAYERS TO PUT THE SAME COMMITMENT TOWARDS THEIR COURTS.

I CAN'T SPEAK TO BARN OHS OR RONNIE VAN ZANDT, I CAN TELL YOU TWIN LAKES GETS A TON OF USE FOR PICKLEBALL. THEY'RE FIGHTING IN DARKNESS TODAY. THE RISK HERRINGS NEED TO CLOSE THEIR EARS AND PEOPLE ARE DRIVING THEIR VEHICLES TO HAVE THEIR LIGHTS ONTO PLAY AND FINISH GAMES. AT THE SAME TIME, THAT COURT HAS HAD ISSUES. WE DID THAT COURT LAST YEAR, IT'S PROBABLY THIRD WARRANTY WORK JUSTIN? I MEAN IT'S HAVING -- SO, IT HASN'T BEEN WITHOUT AN ISSUE AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT COMES FROM THE FACT THAT WE DID A RESURFACING AND DIDN'T BUILD NEW. AT ANY RATE, I KNOW THAT YOU ARE WORKING THROUGH IT AND I APPRECIATE THAT WORK. BUT, THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS,

MR. CHAIRMAN. >> CHAIR: THANK YOU. ANY

OTHER COMMENTS? >> GO RIGHT AHEAD.

>> SO, JUST SO THAT I'M UNDERSTANDING JUSTIN, WOULD YOU MINDIOUS UM, I KNOW YOU'RE GOING TO BE, SORRY, BUT, JUST SO THAT I'M UNDERSTANDING WHAT WE'RE LOOKING TO DO HERE IS COMPLETE SITE PREPARATION, DEMOLITION, POND DRAINAGE DEVELOPMENT AND CONSTRUCTION OF SIX PICKLEBALL COURTS?

>> YES, MA'AM. AND THAT IS THAT IS WE DID PRIOR, WHICH WAS THE DEMOLITION OF WHAT WAS EXISTING AND RERING ON THE EXISTING FOOTPRINT. SO, THIS PROJECT IS APPLES TO ORANGES, IT IS PUTTING IMPERVIOUS SURFACE ON GRACE OR DIRT AS IT EXISTS

TODAY. >> THAT'S ALL THAT I HAVE.

>> COMMISSIONER CELLA? >> THANK YOU, CHAIR. TO ANSWER COMMISSIONER CONDON'S QUESTION, WE DID ALSO PARTICIPATE IN THE AUGUSTA SAVAGE FACILITIES AND CONTRIBUTED $300,000 TO THAT.

AND THAT'S A TOTALLY GREEN COVE SPRINGS CONTROLLED FACILITY.

THIS IS NOT TOO MUCH DIFFERENT THAN WHAT THEY DO IN TALLAHASSEE. IN THEIR SITUATION, THEY CONSTRUCT SOMETHING AND DEDICATE IT TO THE CITY. SO, I DON'T HAVE A REAL BIG PROBLEM WITH THAT, I DO NEED TO KNOW, JUSTIN, WHEN THEY DO THE PICKLEBALL, IS THAT FIRST COME FIRST SERVE, DO THEY ISSUE

PERMITS? WHAT DO THEY DO THERE? >> WELL, CURRENTLY, THE THREE SITES THAT YOU MENTIONED, IT'S FIRST COME FIRST SERVE AND OPEN TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC T WHICH IS DIFFERENT THAN OUR BASKETBALL

COURTS AND SO ON. >> YOU JUST GET IN LINE?

>> IT'S ALWAYS FIRST COME FIRST SERVE.

>> OKAY. THAT'S WHAT I WAS CONCERNED THAT THERE MIGHT BE PERMITS OR SOMETHING THAT SOMEBODY WOULD HAVE TO GET IN

SOME CASES. >> JUST MOVE OVER A BIT ON THE

MIC? >> THERE YOU GO.

>> WE HAVE PEOPLE FROM GEORGIA PLAYING THERE AT OUR TOURNAMENT AND OTHER TIMES WE HAVE PEOPLE FROM ST. AUGUSTINE TODAY, JACKSONVILLE, ORANGE PARK. WE SERVE A LOT OF PEOPLE. SO, THE COUNTY IS SERVING A LOT OF PEOPLE, NOT JUST GREEN COVE SPRINGS, BUT IT IS FIRST COME FIRST SERVE.

>> WELL, I WAS JUST TRYING TO ANSWER THE QUESTION THAT COMMISSIONER CONDON POSED IN TERMS OF WHETHER THERE WAS AN OBSTACLE THAT WOULD PREVENT SOMEBODY THAT LIVES IN THE COUNTY AND NOT ON GREEN COVE SPRINGS PROPER TO GET ON THE

COURTS. >> WE WOULDN'T LIKE THAT AT ALL

TO BE HONEST WITH YOU. >> OKAY. (INAUDIBLE)

>> THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE THAT.

>> AND TO GO BACK TO THE INTERLOCAL, THAT AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY AND THE COUNTY PROVIDES FOR PUBLIC ACCESS FOR ANY RESIDENTS WHO ENJOY AND IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE TO REVIEW AND BEEF UP, THAT'S SOMETHING STAFF CAN DO WITH THE LEGAL TEAM IF IT'S THE DESIRE OF THE BOARD. WE DO HOST TOURNAMENTS OR USER OR EVENT ORGANIZERS WILL CONTACT OUR DEPARTMENT AND WE'LL SCHEDULE THAT BECAUSE OF PAYMENT THAT GOES ALONG WITH THAT AND THEN WE PUT UP NOTICE THAT THERE'S AN

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EVENT AT THAT SITE. BUT, THAT'S FEW AND FAR BETWEEN. MAINLY IT'S OPEN FOR PUBLIC USE. I PLAY BASKETBALL AND WE SEE OTHERS COME ON AND SEE THAT. PAL

>> I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM AS TO WHERE THE SITE IS. WE LOOKED AT ALTERNATIVE SITES, IT CERTAINLY SETTING UP WHETHER IT'S BARNS OR WHETHER IT'S THE SIGHT THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT OR THE FACILITIES IN RONNIE VAN ZANDT OR EVEN TWIN LAKES, OR, WHATEVER, IT DOES SET US UP WELL RECREATIONALLY IF WE WANTED TO RUN A CLAY COUNTY PICKLEBALL TOURNAMENT AND HAVE A NUMBER OF LOCATIONS THAT CAN HELP FOLKS. WE DON'T HAVE ANY UP IN THE OAK LEAF AREA OR FLEMING ISLAND JUST YET. I KNOW EAGLE HARBOR HAS THREE PLANTATIONS AND THEY WILL VOTE ON A PROPOSE TO PUT MORE IN WHERE THERE'S SAND VOLLEYBALL COURTS. IF WE UTILIZE WAY UP OF THOSE, WE WOULD POSSIBLY WORK OUT A DEAL WITH THEM. MY BIG QUESTION IS THE MONEY? WE STARTED AT 350 THOUGHT. AND THE CITY IS CHIPPING IN THEIR PORTIONATE SHARE, I GUESS, YOU WOULD SAY. SO, I GUESS THE BIGGEST PROBLEM THAT I HAVE IS ALONG WITH WHAT COMMISSIONER CONDON TALKED ABOUT IS THE TOTAL DOLLAR AMOUNT. I DON'T WANT TO SEE THIS EXCEEDING, I DON'T WANT A CHANGE ORDER THAT COMES IN AND SAYS THAT WE HAVE ANOTHER 40 OR $50,000 THAT WE HAVE TO COME UP WITH. I DON'T SEE THAT AS A REALLY GOOD REASON TO SPEND THAT EXTRA MONEY. SO, AND AGAIN, IF THIS WAS ONE OF OUR OWN PROJECTS, I CAN GUARANTY THAT WE WOULD BE GETTING A CLOSER LOOK AT HOW THE DOLLARS ARE COMING IN AND WHERE THEY'RE GOING ON THAN WHAT WE'RE GIVING THIS TODAY.

YES, SIR? >> I WAS JUST GOING TO ECHO THAT SENTIMENT. I THINK THAT MY DECISION TONIGHT BOILS DOWN TO THE DOLLAR FIGURES THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, AND, UM.

>> IT'S A LOT OF MOP. >> IT'S HALF A MILLION DOLLAR.

>> TO THIS PROJECT, SO, THAT'S WHERE MAY MIND IS TONIGHT.

>>> SO, CAN WE ADD THE NO CHANGE ORDERS IN THERE OR NOT?

>> I'LL SPEAK TO THE CONTRACT, YOU CAN CERTAINLY PUT THAT IN THERE, BUT, FOR SOME REASON THEY CAN'T COMPLETE IT WITH THAT, AND WE SAY, NO MORE CHANGE ORDERS.

>> WE DID IT WITH THE GUN RANGE.

>> WE ENDED UP WITH TORTOISES, BUT. THAT WAS THE ONLY, UM,

OVERAGE THAT WE WORKED WITH. >> AND, CAN WE, ALL CHIME IN HERE, CAN WE RECOMMEND THE MODIFICATION OF THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT TO INCLUDE A COUPLE OF THINGS, ONE, IT'S A PUBLIC FACILITY AND ANYBODY CAN PLAY THERE. THAT'S ONE THING THAT I HEARD TONIGHT. THE OTHER THING IS IF WE HAVE ORGANIZED PLAY THERE AND THE COUNTY WANTS TO USE IT AS PART, THESE COURTS AS PART OF OVER ALL PICTURE FOR CLAY COUNTY THAT WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO COME AND USE THAT OR ENGAGE GREEN COVE SPRINGS WITH IT. AND THE THIRD THING IS, ANY COST OVER RUNS WILL BE BORN BY P

GREEN COVE SPRINGS. >> THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I WAS GOING TO PUT FORTH MR. CHAIRMAN AND COMMISSIONERS THAT WE WILL COMMIT TO THAT VARIABLE. WE'RE PRETTY COMFORTABLE, OBVIOUSLY, I WOULD NOT BE UP HERE IF I FELT LIKE THERE WAS A BIG RISK. BUT, IT IS A GESTURE THAT WE'RE WILLING TO PARTICIPATE. IN ANY CASE, THE FACILITIES THAT WE HAVE IN THE CITY ARE IN THE COUNTY. SO, EVERYBODY CAN USE FACILITIES. JUST BECAUSE THEY'RE IN THE CITY PROPER AND THE CITY LIMITS DOESN'T MEAN THAT NOBODY ELSE CAN USE THEM. AND, UM, I JUST WANT TO EMPHASIZE THE FACT THAT IT'S NOT RESTRICTIVE AS REFERENCE TO THE POOL, ANYBODY WHO WANTS TO COME AND SWIM AT THE POOL CAN COME AND SWIM AT THE POOL. THAT'S ONE LESS POOL. IF THAT WAS NOT THERE, YOU WOULD BE REQUESTED TO BUILD FOR YOUR CITIZENS. SO, I DON'T LIKE IT AS WE PUT IN THE MONEY AND WE NEED TO CONTROL IT.

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I DON'T THINK THAT'S NECESSARILY THE DIRECTION. I MEAN, WE'RE DISTRIBUTING THE RESPONSIBILITY. WHEN IT'S FINISHED, WE'RE GOING TO MAIN TAN IT. WE'RE GOING TO PUT UP LIGHTS AND WE'RE GOING TO DO OTHER IMPROVEMENTS TO SHOW OUR GOOD INTENT. BUT, TO THAT POINT SPECIFICALLY, WE WILL AMEND OR DO WHATEVER WITH THE INTERGOVERNMENTAL AGREEMENT THAT THE CITY WILL COVER COST ABOVE

THE BID PRICE. >> CHAIR: SPEAKING FROM EXPERIENCE, CLARK HOUSE PARK IN ORANGE PARK IS SO WELL-ATTENDED THAT WE GET PEOPLE FROM JACKSONVILLE, FERNANDINA BEACH.

LIKE, IT'S A PUBLIC PARK. YOU COULD HAVE ACCESS TO THAT SERVICE. AND JUST AS WE SPOKE TO EARLIER, OUR JOB IS TO LOOK AT A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS. ONE IS THE QUALITY OF LIFE AND ENJOYMENT AND ENTERTAINMENT. SO, I'M IN SUPPORT OF THIS EFFORT AS LONG AS WE TALK ABOUT THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT CHANGES THAT WE HAVE SPOKEN TO TONIGHT AND WE GET AGREEMENT THERE. SO, I WOULD BE WILLING TO VOTE FOR THAT.

>> YES, MA'AM. THANK YOU. AND THANK YOU SO MUCH, THAT'S WONDERFUL AND I APPRECIATE YOU COMING TO SHOW YOUR SUPPORT OF

IT, ALSO. THANK YOU SO MUCH. >>> I ALSO WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU TO THE KARL PUGHE ASSOCIATION, AND THE COACH WHO CAME TO SPEAK. JUST LIKE EVERYWHERE ELSE IN THE COUNTY, THEY'RE GROWING EXPONENTIALLY, AND I THINK THERE ARE 75 GIRLS ON THE SOFTBALL FIELD ALONE. WHICH IS WONDERFUL. MY KID, WE PLAYED BASEBALL AND ALL OF THAT. AND I REMEMBER MY HUSBAND SAYING, YOU KNOW, WHERE ARE THE KIDS, WHERE AREN'T PEOPLE COMING AND PLAYING MORE, AND NOW THEY ARE AND THAT'S WONDERFUL. WE NEED OUR KIDS TO BE OUT AND DOING THINGS LIKE THAT. THEY'RE DEFINITELY FACED WITH, LESS THAN A HALF ACRE THAT THEY HAVE TO PARK ON. JUSTIN HAS TALKED TO ME ABOUT IF WE COULD GET A PLAYGROUND THERE, THEY DOESN'T HAVE A PLACE FOR THAT. WE'RE JUST SO CONFINED IN SO MANY AREAS IN OUR COUNTY. AND, UM, WE'RE GROWING SO MUCH. AND DEFINITELY, YOU KNOW, AS MORE PEOPLE COME IN AND THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR TALKING ABOUT THAT, I ACTUALLY GET THAT QUESTION ALL THE TIME. ALL THE TIME.

BECAUSE WHENEVER YOU DON'T SEE WHAT WE SEE, YOU'RE LIKE, THERE'S TONS OF PEOPLE AND HOUSES. ALL THE TREES ARE COMING DOWN. AND WHY DON'T WE HAVE MORE MONEY AND YOU KNOW, IT'S, I MEAN, I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT. THAT'S THE EXPLANATION, COMMISSIONER CELLA DID. BUT, UM, I THINK THAT ALL OF YOU ALL FOR COMING OUT AGAIN, THANK YOU, FOR VOICING YOUR OPINION AND I'M DEFINITELY APPRECIATIVE THAT WE'RE HOPEFULLY ABLE TO DO THIS. I THINK IT WILL BE A WONDERFUL THING FOR THE COUNTY AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO HAVE A PICKLEBALL WORKSHOP, SO, I WANTED TO ASK SOMEONE TO SPEAK, IF Y'ALL DON'T MIND. I KNOW THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE HERE FOR AWHILE TONIGHT. RICHARD, CAN YOU COME UP HERE A SECOND, I ACTUALLY WANTED TO YOU SPEAK ABOUT SOMETHING THAT YOU TOLD ME ABOUT. RICHARD'S HAD SO MUCH EXPERIENCE AND HE HAS GREAT STORIES AND THINGS THAT HE'S BEEN THROUGH IN HIS LIFE AND I LOVE TO HEAR SOME OF THE THINGS THAT HE'S DONE. AND I WANTED YOU TO SPEAK ABOUT WHAT YOUR EXPERIENCE OF PICKLEBALL HAS

BEEN IN MACON? IN ATLANTA? >> WELL, RICHARD SMITH, CLAY COUNTY ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT. WE DID A PARK AND I DESIGNED A PARK BEFORE I CAME DOWN HERE IN MACON COUNTY, AND IN GEORGIA, IT'S A REAL BIG ISSUE WITH THE STATE TENNIS TOURNAMENT. THE STATE HIGH SCHOOL TENNIS TOURNAMENT DRAWS THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE AND I KNOW THAT TENNIS ISN'T NEAR AS BIG AS IT IS HERE BUT IT STILL IS A T IT BECAME KIND OF A CONTEST BETWEEN ROME GEORGIA AND MACON GEORGIA, AND ANYTHING THAT MACON DID WRONG, GEORGIA WOULD TAKE. AND SO, MACON SAID, WE'RE GOING TO BUILD 22 TENNIS COURTS ON THIS FACILITY AND ROME BUILT 72 AND CONVERTED THEM. THEY CONVERTED 22 TENNIS COURTS THEY BUILT IN 2019 AND THEY CONVERT THE ONE CORNER TO 12 PICKLEBALL COURTS.

AND IT'S ON THE SOUTH END OF THE COUNTY WHICH AGAIN, IS KIND OF A NORTH AND SOUTH TYPE OF DEAL WHERE PART OF THE COUNTY IS LESS DEVELOPED AND UNDER SERVED AND THAT BECAME THEIR MEETING, THAT BECAME LIKE A POINT WHERE A LOT OF PEOPLE STARTED TO PARTICIPATE. THAT'S ONE CASE WHERE FOUR TENNIS COURTS BECAME 12 PICKLEBALL COURTS JUST BECAUSE OF USE.

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>> AND WHERE WAS IT THAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT WHERE THEY DID SO MUCH OF A SALES TAX AND HOW MUCH MONEY THEY RAISED FOR

THAT? >> WELL, WHAT THEY DO THERE IS THEY WILL TAKE, IT'S CALLED A SPECIAL PURPOSE LOCAL OPTION SALES TAX. IT'S A SPECIFIC YOU DO SPECIFIC PROJECTS. IN THAT CASE IT WAS SIX SPECIFIC RECREATION PROJECTS AND THAT WAS ALL IT WAS FOR. AND IT WAS SHORT-TERM AND IN ONE YEAR, THEY COLLECTED $20 MILLION OFF OF THAT ONE PENNY ADDED. THAT WAS PEOPLE DRIVING THROUGH ON I 75, FUELLING UP AND PEOPLE STOPPING AT CRACKER BARREL AND ALL OF THAT. AND THEY USED THAT FOR THAT PURPOSE. BUT, IT WASN'T LET'S GET A PENNY EXTRA AND BUILD SOMETHING, IT WAS HERE'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BUILD AND IT WAS A SPECIFIC PROGRAM. IN SOME PLACES IT'S DOWN TO A HANDICAPPED RAMP IN A MIDDLE SCHOOL THAT NEEDED AN UPGRADE.

IT GOT THAT SPECIFIC TO SPEND THE $20 MILLION. THAT WAS AN INTERESTING PROJECT THAT WAS VERY SUCCESSFUL.

>> THANK YOU, RICHARD. SO, DEFINITELY, I MEAN, GOING TO PICKLEBALL, I'M GLAD THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THIS THERE HOPEFULLY TOGETHER TO WHERE THEY COULD HAVE THE LARGER TOURNAMENTS AND THEY CAN DEFINITELY STILL UTILIZE THE OTHER PARKS IN THE AREA. BUT, JUST THE OTHER NIGHT THEY HAD 40 PEOPLE WAITING TO PLAY. THERE ARE PEOPLE COMING FROM ALL OVER TO PLAY AND I'M EXCITED FOR THEM AND I THINK IT WILL BE A WONDERFUL THING. AND OF COURSE, IT'S TONS OF MONEY, I CAN'T FATHOM THAT IT COSTS THAT MUCH. ANYWAY, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE FACED

WITH. >>> SO, TO BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMISSION HERE, WE DON'T HAVE A MOTION YET, DO WE?

>> I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE BID. WHICH INCLUDES

THAT NOT TO EXCEED. >> WHICH INCLUDES SEVERAL

ITEMS. >> I HAVE IT WRITTEN DOWN.

PUBLIC FACILITY, RIGHT FOR COUNTY USE, AND COST OVER RUN.

THOSE THREE ITEMS. >> OKAY.

>> CHAIR: WE HAVE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE BID TO BUILD SIX PICKLEBALL COURTS AT AUGUSTA SAVAGE FOR THE AMOUNT OF $464

$831. DO WHICH HAVE A SECOND? >> I'LL SECOND THE MOTION.

>> CHAIR: SO, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY OTHER

DISCUSSION? >> MR. CHAIR IF I COULD QUICKLY, THANK YOU, STEVE KENNEDY, APPRECIATE THE JUMPING IN THERE IN TERMS OF ANY ADDITIONAL OVERRUNS. ALTHOUGH WE'RE GOING TO TRY AND KEEP THAT TO A MINIMUM IN FAIRNESS TO YOU AS WELL. AND FOLKS YOU SEE THESE ARE FEDERAL DOLLARS THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH, WHICH ARE PRECIOUS AND THEY'RE GOING AWAY AND WE'RE SQUEEZING THEM AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE TO TRY AND KEEP THEM HERE. UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S NOT THAT WE DON'T KNOW PICKLEBALL'S POPULAR, I WAS ON THE CDD BOARD YEARS AGO AND I REMEMBER SOME LITTLE OLD MAN CAME IN AND SAID, YOU NEED PICKLEBALL AND WE ALL LOOKED AT HIM LIKE HE WAS NUTS THAT WAS 10 OR 12 YEARS AGO NOW.

OBVIOUSLY HE WAS AHEAD OF THE GAME THERE. YOU KNOW, WE TRY TO WATCH THE TAX DOLLARS AS BEST WE CAN. THIS IS A BIG EXPENDITURE, I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO HOW TO ADD LIGHTS TO FACILITIES THAT WE

ALREADY HAVE. >> I WANT TO REITERATE OUR GLOBAL LOOK AT THE COUNTY, WE'RE LOOKING AT TRANSPORTATION AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND QUALITY OF LIFE AND ENTERTAINMENT IN THE COUNTY. SO, THIS, UM, AND, IN ABOUT 30 SECONDS THIS WILL BE A GOOD VOTE FOR ENTERTAINMENT AND THE CONSTITUENTS THAT ARE HERE IN CLAY COUNTY. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE THE BID FOR SIX PICKLEBALL COURTS AT AUGUSTA SAVAGE PICKLEBALL COURT PROJECT. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

>> IT ANY NAYS, LIKE SIGN? >> AYE.

>> OKAY. PASSES 4-1. THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR COMMENTS.

[33. Phase 2 Construction Agreement for the Bonded Transportation Program CMAR Group #1, Project 3B with Kiewit Infrastructure South Co. (E. Dendor)]

>>> MOVING ON SO ITEM 33, THE PHASE TWO CONSTRUCTION AGREEMENT FOR THE BONDED TRANSPORTATION PROGRAM INFRASTRUCTURE SOUTH

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COMPANY. ED DENDOR. >> GOOD EVENING, ED DENDOR TRANSPORTATION ADMINISTRATOR. WITH ME IS CARLOS CAMPOS WITH WGI. AND. DAVE WITH KIEWIT, THE CONTRACTOR. BEFORE YOU IS ITEM 33 A REQUEST TO APPROVE A REWARD FOR GROUP ONE PROJECT 3-B, PHASE TWO CONSTRUCTION FOR THE BOND TRANSPORTATION PROGRAM.

THE GUARANTIED MAXIMUM PRICE FOR KIEWIT'S WORK IS 17, 732, $307.13. THIS REQUEST IS CONSISTENT WITH THE BUDGET

REQUEST HEARD UNDER ITEM 31. >> I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION FOR ED, IT SAYS COMPLETION DATE, MAY 2025, ARE WE USING OTHER MONEYS IS THAT HOW WE'RE TABLE TO STRETCH THAT DATA?

>> YES. THROUGH THE CHAIR. >> THAT YOU CAN.

>> CHAIR: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR ED?

>> TAKE A MOTION? >> I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A

MOTION TO APPROVE. >> I'LL SECOND.

>> CHAIR: WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE THE CONSTRUCTION AGREEMENT WITH KIEWIT $17,732,307.13. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? MOTION AND A SECOND ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

>> (CHORUS OF AYES).

>> CHAIR: ANY NAYS LIKE SIGN. >> CHAIR: PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.

>> THANK YOU. >> THE NEXT ITEMS REQUIRE A READING INTO BY THE CLERK AND I THINK SHE'LL, ANYBODY THAT WANTS TO SPEAK TO ITEMS NUMBER 34, 36, 37 AND 39, REQUIRED TO SWEAR

YOUR OATHS YOUR TRUTHFULNESS. >>> I HAVE A CARD FOR 34. BUT, THERE'S A LINE THROUGH IT. MICHAEL LINO, DO YOU WANT TO

SPEAK TO 34? >> YES.

>> IF WE COULD HAVE THEM ALL STAND, SIR, WE'LL DO IT AT ONE TIME AND MOVE CLOSER TO THE CENTER OF THE ROOM TO GET YOU ON

CAMERA AND THE MIC AS WELL. >> APPLICANT OR ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC WHO PUBLI.

>> DO YOU SOLEMNLY SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE TESTIMNY THAT YOU ARE ABOUT TO GIVE WILL BE THE WHOLE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT

THE TRUTH, SO HELP YOU GOD? >> THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH.

[34. Final Public Hearing to consider adoption of COMP-0723-00008 and PUD-0723-00009. (District 4, Comm. Condon) (B. Carson)]

>> THANK YOU. >>> OKAY. ITEM NUMBER 34 IS THE FINAL PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER ADOPTION OF THE COMP-0723-0008.

AND PUD 0723-00009. THANK YOU MR. CHAIR AND THIS WAS CONTINUED FROM YOUR NOVEMBER 28TH MEETING. THE APPLICANT IS R AND R REAL ESTATE HOLD SHALLS AND THE AGENCY FOR THE APPLICANT IS JANICE FLEET. AND THE REQUEST IS A SMALL SCALE AMENDMENT OF 7.5 ACRES FROM RURAL RESIDENTIAL TO COMMERCIAL AS WELL AS THE ZONING MAP AMENDMENT OF 10.9 ACRE FROM NEIGHBORHOOD BUSINESS, INTERNEEDATE BUSINESS, PRIVATE SERVICES, AGRICULTURAL. AND THIS IS IN MR. CONDON'S DISTRICT, DISTRICT FOUR AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION HEARD THIS LAST TUESDAY, THE 5TH.

>>> A LITTLE BACKGROUND ON THIS, THE PARCELS ARE LOCATED ON THE WESTSIDE OF LANDING NORTH OF THE INTERSECTION OF LANDING AND COUNTY ROAD 215. THE SUBJECT PARCELS COME PRIZE MOST OF THE BLOCK ON ROSE MARY STREET, PRIMROSE AND ALLIGATOR BOULEVARD. AND THE STATED PURPOSE OF THIS REQUESTED LAND USE AND ZONING CHANGE IS TO ALLOW FOR BUSINESS EXPANSION AND BUFFERING TO THE STRAINEDING RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES. THE MAP ON THE LEFT IS THE LAND USE WHICH IS SHOWING THE PARCELS SUBJECT TO THE LAND USE AND THE MAP ON RIGHT ARE THE REZONING

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PARCELS. THE MAP ON THE LEFT IS THE EXISTING ZONING, SORRY, EXISTING LAND USE. THE SUBJECT PARCELS ARE HATCHED IN THE YELLOW AND THE RED IS ALREADY COMMERCIAL SO THOSE PARCELS DO NOT NEED TO BE CHANGED. THE MAP ON THE RIGHT IS THE PROPOSED

LAND USE CHANGE. >> THESE ARE THE ZONING MAPS, THE MAP ON THE LEFT IS THE CURRENT ZONING CLASSIFICATIONS AND THE MAP ON THE RIGHT WHICH SHOWS THE ENTIRE PARCEL IN YELLOW WILL BE THE PCD WHICH IS THE PLANNED COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT. AS PART OF A PLANNED COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT THEY HAVE TO PROVIDE A SITE PLAN WHICH INDICATES WHAT THEY WANT TO DO WITH THE PROPERTY AND THEY'RE BOUND TO THE SITE PLAN.

SO, THEY'VE PROVIDED THE SITE PLAN WHICH IS SHOWING OFFICE SPACE AND PARKING. AS WELL AS SOME BUFFERS. ALSO PART OF THE PCD IS THAT THEY PROVIDE A LIST OF USES AS WELL AS SITE CONDITIONS AS FAR AS HEIGHT LIMITATIONS AND NET BUFFERS.

SO, THE ORIGINAL APPLICATION WAS VERY BROAD-BASED AND INCLUDED A LOT OF USES IN THE BB ZONING DISTRICT. AT THE REQUEST OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND PART OF THE DELAY IN BRINGING THIS TO YOU IS THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION REQUESTED TO HONE IN AND SPECIFY EXACTLY WHAT THEIR USES WILL BE. SO, THEY PROVIDED A MODIFIED LIST OF THE USES WHICH IS WHAT YOU HAVE ON THE RIGHT-HAND SIDE WHICH IS JUST THE USES THEY NEED FOR THEIR PROPERTY. SO, IF IT'S NOT ON THIS LIST T CAN'T GO ON THEIR PROPERTY UNLESS IT COMES BACK BEFORE YOU FOR AMENDMENT.

>>> AND, ALSO, THE ORIGINAL APPLICATION INCLUDED A 60-FOOT HEIGHT LIMITATION, THESE ARE ON THE LEFT THESE ITEMS AS WELL AS THE 10-FOOT BUFFER AND THE HEIGHT LIMITATION AS A 20-FOOT BUFFER. THE ANALYSIS IS PROVIDED IN THE STAFF REPORT AND INDICATES THERE ARE NO NEGATIVE IMPACTS TO SERVICE FROM THIS PROPOSED AMENDMENT. FUTURE LAND USE POLICY 1.448 LIMITS SMALL SCALE AMENDMENTS TO COMMERCIAL TO EITHER IN-FILL PROJECTS BETWEEN COMMERCIAL INSTITUTIONAL OR INDUSTRIAL. OR PROJECTS THAT EXHIBIT A UNIFIED PLAN OF DEVELOPMENT. THIS PROPERTY IS BORDERED BY CHURCHES WHICH IS INSTITUTIONAL AND IS PROVIDING

THE UNIFIED PLAN OF DEVELOPMENT. >>> AGAIN, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CHANGE IN LAND USE FROM RR TO COMMERCIAL AS WELL AS THE REZONING CHANGE TO PCD AND THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT WILL BE INFILL AND PROVIDING UNIFIED PLAN OF DEVELOPMENT. THE MIDDLEBURGH CLAY HILL CITIZENS VOTED 7-0 ON THE ORIGINAL APPLICATION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE LAND USE REZONING CHANGE. THE REVISED PLANS WERE SENT FOR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION AND NO COMMENTS WERE PROVIDED BACK THE REVISED APPLICATION WITH THE LOWER HEIGHT AND BUFFER. STAFF DETERMINED THAT THIS REQUEST IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING USES AND RECOMMENDS THE APPROVAL OF THE COMP PLAN AMENDMENT 072308 AND THE PUD APPLICATION 072309, PLANNING COMMISSION VOTED 4-2 TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL AT THEIR MEETING LAST TUESDAY.

AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS AND AGAIN, JANICE FLEET THE AGENT IS HERE AS WELL AND SHE HAS A FEW SLIDES.

>> WHEN IT WAS RETURNED FOR HEIGHT RESTRICTION LIMITATIONS AND NO COMMENT, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? DID THEY ACCEPT THAT?

>> THEY DID NOT OBJECT. I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A MEMBER OF THE MIDDLEBURGH GROUP HERE, BUT, THEY HAD SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT THE 60-FOOT HEIGHT, THEY WERE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT BUT THEY STILL RECOMMENDED APPROVAL FOR IT AND SINCE IT WAS REDUCED WHEN IT CAME BACK FOR INFORMATION, WE ASSUME THEY DON'T HAVE OBJECTION TO A LOWER HEIGHT.

>> CHAIR: THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING. DOES ANYBODY WANT TO SPEAK. I HAVE ONE CARD ON 34. MICHAEL LINO, DO WITH YOU WANT

TO SPEAK ON THAT? >> CAN WE LET THE APPLICANT GO

FIRST? >> CHAIR: OKAY.

>> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. IMC IS A CLAY COUNTY BUSINESS AND IT EMPLOYS ABOUT 50 EMPLOYEES. ON THIS SITE, AND THE EMPLOYS 500 EMPLOYEES WORLDWIDE. THEY DO A LOT OF CONTRACTS, ACTUALLY, MECHANICAL CONTRACTING WHERE THEY DO IT IN THE ISLANDS THEY DO A LOT OF DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE CONTRACTS ET CETERA, SO, IT'S A GEM FOR CLAY COUNTY TO HAVE THIS KIND OF BUSINESS HERE. THAT'S A FAMILY-RUN BUSINESS. THE MAN

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WHO STARTED THE BUSINESS HAD SURGERY TODAY AND SO, HIS CHILDREN, WHO RUN THE BUSINESS COULD NOT BE HERE TONIGHT BECAUSE OF OBVIOUSLY, FAMILY, THEY NEEDED TO BE IN THE HOSPITAL WITH HIM. BUT, SO FAR EVERYTHING'S GOING GOOD AND THEY'RE SORRY THAT HE COULDN'T BE HERE. BUT, ANYWAYS, SO, AS MS. CAR SOP MENTIONED WE HAVE A PCD IN FRONT OF US THAT WE'VE WORKED THROUGH AND WENT TO THE CAC IN AUGUST AND THEY WERE SUPPORTIVE OF THE PROJECT AND THEY FEEL IT'S A GOOD BUSINESS IN CLAY COUNTY AS WELL AS IN THAT LOCATION. IT PROMOTES THE LIVE, WORK PLAY. THE IDEA THAT PEOPLE, AND ACTUALLY, MR. TURNER'S TOLD THE STORY TO THEM THAT THEY ORIGINALLY HAD BUSINESSES DOWNTOWN IN JACKSONVILLE AND HE WAS LIVING IN MIDDLEBURGH AND GOT TIRED OF THE COMMUTE AND DECIDED IT WOULD BE BETTER TO MOVE HIS BUSINESS TO CLAY COUNTY. WHICH IS WHAT WE WANTED TO DO. WE WANT TO DO THE REVERSE COMMUTE AS MUCH AS POSSIBLY. AND WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO DO IS SO, THEY HAVE THE EXISTING BUSINESS, THIS IS THE SCENE FROM THE PROPERTY APPRAISERS, THEY HAVE THEIR EXISTING OFFICES ON, UM, LANDING. AND, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE AN EXPANSION THAT THEY'VE BEEN WORKING ON THROUGH DESIGN AND THAT'S KIND OF WHEN IT CAME UP THAT THEY REALIZED THEY HAD ALL OF THESE VARIOUS ZONING CATEGORIES ON THESE PROPERTIES AND THAT'S HOW IT GOT STARTED AND WORKING WITH STAFF, BECAUSE, SO THAT IT MEETS THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN OF THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT, THAT'S WHEN WE DID THE PCD. THEY'RE LOOKING AT SOMEWHERE BETWEEN A FOUR TO $6 MILLION EXPANSION OF AN OFFICE EXPANSION IN THIS AREA.

SO, AS YOU ARE GRAPPLING WITH P HAVING AN INCREASED VALUE OF PROPERTY IN THIS AREA, IT WOULD BE POSITIVE, I KNOW FOR THE COUNTY, UM, SO, AS IT WAS MENTIONED, IT DOES MEET THE COMP PLAN POLICY RELATED TO IN-FILL. AND, SO, WE FIGURED THAT THAT WOULD BE VERY POSITIVE AS WAS ALSO MENTIONED BY MS. CARSON THAT ANY CHANGE TO WHAT WE SHOW IN OUR PCD AND ON OUR SITE PLAN WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK TO YOU AS A REZONING. IT CAN'T JUST HAPPEN INDISCRIMINATELY. SO, THEREFORE, THE PROJECT AS WAS MENTIONED IN NOVEMBER PLANNING COMMISSION ASKED US TO KIND OF SCALE IT DOWN. WHICH, WE DID. WE REDUCED IT BASICALLY TO BACK TO WHAT THEY NEED ON THE SITE AS WELL AS DECREASE THE 35-FOOT HEIGHT FROM, I THINK ORIGINALLY IT WAS 60. AND, INCREASE THE BUFFERS. AND, SO, WE DID THAT AND WE GOT THE SUPPORT WHICH WE APPRECIATE FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION. AT THE LAST PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING LAST WEEK, I THINK HE'S THE CHAIRMAN OF THE CAC, SPOKE IN FAVOR OF IT. OF THE PROJECT. THAT TALKED ABOUT HOW THEY WERE IN FAVOR OF IT INITIALLY BUT THAT WITH THE CHANGES THAT WE MADE THAT THE COMMITTEE WAS EVEN MORE SO, BECAUSE, THEIR BIGGEST CONCERN WAS THE HEIGHT AND SOME OF THE USES. SO, BY ADDRESSING PLANNING COMMISSION'S WE ADDRESSED THE CACS REQUIREMENTS. AND AS YOU LOOK AT THERE ARE TWO PARCELS EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY HOUSES ON THE BACK, THE FRONT OF PRIMROSE, THOSE MAINTAIN AND THEY WILL PROBABLY BEING USED BY CARETAKERS, PEOPLE THAT WORK ON THE SITE. SOMETIMES THEY GET AN EMPLOYEE AND UNTIL THEY CAN FIND THEIR LOCATION, THEY COME ON SITE TO LIVE IN THOSE HOUSES AND THEY WILL BE DOING THAT AND THERE IS AN EXISTING 100 HAD THE FOOT UTILITY EASEMENT FOR HIGH VOLTAGE ELECTRIC WIRES THAT BASICALLY MAKE AS MAJOR BLOCKAGE BETWEEN THE BACK PART OF THE PROPERTY AND THE FRONT PART OF THE PROPERTY. YOU CAN'T CROSS AND THERE'S ACTUALLY A FENCE CRRENTLY AND THEY DON'T ANTICIPATE NOT TO DO A FENCE BECAUSE OF THE SECURITY AND EVERYTHING ELSE AT THEIR SITE.

AND IF YOU COULD GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. TUCK KIND OF SEE THAT UTILITY BUFFER THAT'S THERE AND THAT'S ACTUALLY KIND OF YOU COULD SEE THERE'S A BIG STOP. SO, THE TOP TWO OF WHERE IT IS FROM BLANDING, THE EXISTING PROPERTY. WITH THEIR DRAINAGE IN THE FRONT OFF OF LANDING AND IN THE MIDDLE AS YOU COULD SEE THE HIGH VOLTAGE LINES THAT ARE THERE THAT PROVIDE RECOGNIZE

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ELECTRIC POWER TO THAT PART OF THE COUNTY AND THE LAST TWO IS ACTUALLY PRIMROSE AVENUE WHICH IS AN UNPAVED ROAD AND THE HOUSES SET BACK 120 FEET OFF OF PRIMROSE, IT'S NOT PAVED THERE'S NO TRAFFIC ON THAT ROAD AND THEY CAN'T CROSS BACK TO THE FRONT OF THAT PROPERTY, IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE, THEY'RE GOING TO USE BLANDING. AS WE ADDRESSED PLANNING COMMISSION'S COMMENTS, MR. LINO WHO HAS EXPRESSED HIS CONCERNS. WE REACHED OUT TO HIM, I SENT HIM AN E-MAIL ON NOVEMBER 13TH, AND NOVEMBER 18TH, ASKS FOR COMMENTS SO THAT WE COULD ADDRESS THEM.

THE ONLY THING THAT I HEARD BACK WAS NOVEMBER 25TH, HE SAID HE WOULD PROVIDE COMMENTS WHICH HE DID NOT. HE LEFT MESSAGES FOR THE (INDISCERNIBLE) AND SO, THEREFORE, WE TRIED TO ADDRESS HIS CONCERNS BUT YOU CAN'T ADDRESS CONCERNS THAT YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE.

ALSO, IF AT ANY TIME IN THE FUTURE, WE PUT ON OUR LIST, STORAGE AND IN THE BACK TWO HOUSES IT WOULD BE DOCUMENT STORAGE INTERNAL STORAGE BUT IT WOULDN'T BE OUTSIDE STORAGE, THAT'S NOT WHAT THE INTENT IS AND WE DO NOT SHOW IT BACK THERE, SO, THERE COULDN'T BE ANY OF THAT ANYWAYS. SO, WE HOPE TO GET YOUR SUPPORT TO ALLOW THIS CLAY COUNTY BUSINESS TO MAINTAIN AND EXPAND IN CLAY COUNTY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

I'M AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS. >> CHAIR: THANK YOU. ANY

QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? >>> SO, THE PARCELS IN THE BACK WITH THE PRIVATE RESIDENTS, THEY'RE KEEPING THOSE AS RESIDENCES IN THE BEGINNING, WHY ARE THOSE INCLUDED IN THE PCD?

>> BECAUSE YOUR CODE REQUIRES 10 ACRES IN ORDER FOR US TO GO

THROUGH THIS PROCESS. >> WELL, THAT MAYBE THE CASE BUT MAYBE IT'S WRONGLY PUBLISHED HERE, BUT, IT SAYS 7.54 ACRES.

>> BUT, THE, 7.-- THE 7.5 ARCS FOR THE LAND USE CHANGE FOR THE

PCD WE NEEDED 10 ACRES. >>> SO PART OF THE PROPERTY THAT FRONTS ON BLANDING IS ALREADY COMMERCIAL. IT'S ONLY 7 ACRES COMMERCIAL TO BE COMBINED WITH THOSE ACRES. AND THE PCD IS FOR THE ENTIRE 10 ACRES. ZY UNDERSTAND THAT BUT HAVING WATCHED THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, A LOT OF THE TALK WAS AROUND THE BACK TWO PARCELS BECAUSE IF YOU'RE GOING TO INCLUDE THOSE, AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE THE HEARTBURN IS, BECAUSE, IF THOSE STAYED RESIDENTIAL, YOU WOULD HAVE A NICE PIECE OUT FRONT THAT COULD BE COMMERCIAL. AND, SO, I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE OBJECTION IS, BUT, TO ME, THAT MAKES IT MUCH EASIER

TO SUPPORT. >> YEAH. I UNDERSTAND, BUT WE HAD TO GET, IN ORDER TO DO THE PCD WE NEEDED THE 10 ACRES. THE REZONING, THE LAND USE CHANGE IS ONLY FOR THOSE PARCELS THAT ARE NOT EXISTING COMMERCIAL BECAUSE THE FRONT PARCELS, THERE WERE FOUR DIFFERENT ZONING CATEGORIES ON THE PARCELS, SO, TO MAKE THE UNIFIED PLAN, WE HAVE TO DO THE WHOLE AND WE NEEDED TO HAVE THE 10 ACRES AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE TRYING TO MAINTAIN IT AS BASICALLY THE BACK PART WILL BE MAINTAINED AS IS WE JUST HAD TO INCLUDE IT TO GET THE OTHER PART DONE.

>> AND WHAT I'M SAYING IS I CLEATLY UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT, I'M ALSO SAYING THAT I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERNS OF THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE, BECAUSE, OF THOSE MAINTAINED AS RESIDENTIAL ZONING LOTS WHATEVER IT IS. THE ZONING THERE, WHAT IS IT, RR, YOU WOULD HAVE A LOT LESS OPPOSITION, I THINK THE CONCERN OF WHAT WILL HAPPEN WITH THOSE PARCELS.

>> I UNDERSTAND. THAT'S WHY IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE'RE NOT TOUCHING THOSE HOUSES AS THEY ARE NOW.

>> AS THEY ARE NOW. BUT, WITH THE CHANGE, YOU WILL BE ABLE DO

IT ANYTIME IN THE FUTURE. >> WE WOULD HAVE TO COME WHACK TO YOU WITH A PUD CHANGE. WE'RE SHOWING THE TWO EXISTING HOUSING NOW. IF WE WERE TO CHANGE THEM, WE WOULD HAVE TO COME WITH A PUD SITE PLAN CHANGE. IT WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK TO YOU FOR

REZONING. >> I UNDERSTAND.

>> THROUGH THE CHAIR? >> SO, I'M THE COMMISSIONER FOR THE DISTRICT. UM, MY QUESTION IS, YOU MENTIONED THAT THOSE TWO HOUSES WOULD BE USED FOR STORAGE, BUT, DOES IT SPECIFICALLY SAY IN YOUR PUD THAT IT WOULD ONLY BE DOCUMENT

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STORAGE VERSUS ANY OTHER KIND OF STORAGE?

>> I DON'T THINK SO. REALLY, THE INTENT FOR OF THE OWNERS IS REALLY UM AT LEAST FOR THE TIME BEING FOR THOSE TO BE MAINTAINED AS SIPPINGLE FAMILY HOUSES. THEY SUES THEM TO HAVE SOMEBODY ON SIDE. SO, I WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE INTENTION.

>> I UNDERSTAND THE INTENT, BUT, THAT IS A RESIDENTIAL STREET AND IT IS UNPAVED ALTHOUGH WE MAY CONSIDER PAVING IT IN THE FUTURE. WE PAVED ROSEMARY, SO, I COULD FORESEE US DOING THAT. WE'RE VYING FOR THAT NOT TO BE A CUT THROUGH, I THINK THAT'S THE CONCERN, THAT YOU WOULD HAVE BIG TRUCKS COMING

THROUGH THAT. >> THE INTENT FOR THE OTHER THANES AT LEAST FOR THE FORESEEABLE TIME PERIOD IS TO MAINTAIN THEM AS RESIDENCES FOR THE PEOPLE THAT WORK.

>> BUT, IF YOU WERE ABLE TO USE THEM. I GUESS MY QUESTION IS HOW DID YOU WRITE THE PUD? DID THE PUD SAY THEY COULD BE USED FOR DOCUMENT STORAGE IN THEIR CURRENT FORM AND FOR STORAGE IN THEIR CURRENT FORM OR DOES IT SAY THAT THEY WILL BE MAINTAINED

AS SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCES. >> I NEED TO CHECK.

>> HOLD ON. J >> I WOULD LIKE TO MAINTAIN THAT WHAT'S THERE STAYING THERE. I DID TEXT THE CHAIRMAN OF THE MIDDLEBURGH CUC AND THEY AGREED THERE WERE NO ISSUES AND THEY LIKE THE REDUCED HEIGHT. OF THE SITE PLAN.

>> IT SAYS EXISTING RESIDENCE MAYBE CONVERTED TO STORAGE. I

THINK THAT'S THE CONCERN. >> SINCE THIS IS A PCD IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SAY EXISTING RESIDENCE AND REMOVE THE STORAGE, WE WOULD NOT HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT. AND I THINK THAT COULD BE PART OF YOUR MOTION?

>> WE HAVE TO HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC. BUT, WE WOULDN'T HAVE A

PROBLEM WITH THAT. >> CHAIR: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS

FOR THE APPLICANT? >> I'M SORRY, MR. CHAIR, I HAVE

ONE MORE. >> UNDER THE IF THE PUD IS THE ABILITY TO STORE TRACTOR TRAILERS, HOW WILL THAT BE DONE?

>> THE WAY THAT I UNDERSTAND IT WORKS IS THAT THEY BRING THE TRACTOR TRAILER ITS TO THE SITE, LOAD THEM UP WITH WHATEVER EQUIPMENT THEY HAVE, AND THEN THEY PUT THEM ON A SHIP TO GO WHEREVER IT'S GOING. SO, THEY DON'T STAY THERE. YOU KNOW, FOR A LENGTH OF TIME, BUT, IT'S REALLY, THAT'S HOW THEY CONTAINERIZE IT THERE. INSTEAD OF IN JACKS PORT, OR SOMEWHERE

LIKE THAT. >> IT SAYS STORAGE IN THE PUD.

>> BECAUSE, YOU CAN'T. THAT'S THE ZONING WORDS. THAT'S REALLY WHAT THAT ISMENT BUT, THAT'S WHAT THEY DO.

>> OKAY. THANK YOU. >> OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE APPLICANT? ON ITEM 34, I HAVE MICHAEL LINO.

>>> I APOLOGIZE. (INAUDIBLE). >> I ASKED JUST IN THE BEGINNING, I'VE NEVER BEEN TO A SESSION BEFORE (INAUDIBLE) COULD YOU EXPLAIN TO ME WHAT CAN I ASK QUESTIONS OF YOU? IS IT JUST TO

MAKE STATEMENTS? >> PLEASE SPEAK INTO THE

MICROPHONE? >> IS IT JUST FOR COMMENT? AM I LIMITED TO JUST THREE MINUTES TO ADDRESS WHAT MS. FLEET SAID?

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>> CHAIR: THIS IS YOUR OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK ON THIS SUBJECT. WHAT ARE YOUR CONCERNS?

>> OKAY. RIGHT NOW AS IT IS, BLACK CREEK PARK, THE AGRICULTURAL RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT ZONED AR, AND IF WE PULL UP WHERE THEY HAVE THE GRID THAT SHOWS THE PROPERTY ALONG WITH ALL THE SIDE STREETS ET CETERA, YOU'LL SEE ALL THE RESIDENTIAL STREETS MOSTLY ALL SAND ROADS, UNDEVELOPED WITHOUT INFRASTRUCTURE AT ALL. IT PRIMROSE AVENUE ESPECIALLY, IS, I HAVE CAMERAS ON AND ABOUT EVERY THREE MINUTES THERE IS A COMMERCIAL TRUCK SPEEDING UP THE ROAD. BUSES, SCHOOL BUSES, GARBAGE TRUCKS, YOU NAME IT. DUST EVERYWHERE. THERE'S PROBLEMS WITH THE GARBAGE PICKUP. I WONDER WHAT'S REQUIRED OF PCD IN IN A CASE. BUT, THERE ARE RESTRICTIONS IN THE AR, OKAY. THE SINGLE-FAMILY HOME. ONE-ACHE ARE LOT.

ACCESSORY BUILDINGS ARE LIMITED. SHED FOR STORAGE ARE LIMITED.

YOU CANNOT HAVE ANY CONTAINERS ON YOUR PROPERTY. GARAGE SALES ARE ONLY ALLOWED WITH A PERMIT AND DURING DAYLIGHT HOURS. THE CHANGE TO PCD, OF A RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM ME WITH THE ALLOWANCES THAT THE APPLICANT HAS INCLUDED IN THERE FOR FUTURE USE THAT'S FUTURE USE. DOESN'T THE COUNTY BY IMPROVING THIS APPLICATION MAKING IT ENTIRELY COMMERCIAL, MAKING IT ALL PCD, THEN, PUT AT RISK, FOR LIABILITY WHEN THEY SAY THEY HAVE TO COME BEFORE THE BOARD IF THEY WANT TO MAKE ANY CHANGES. IF YOU SAY NO, BUT THEY'RE LEGALLY ALLOWED TO DO SO, BASED ON THE GUIDELINES AND THEY MEET THOSE GUIDELINES, WELL, THEN, IT'S OPEN IT A LAWSUIT. THEY COULD DO WHAT YOU SA RIGHT NOW THAT THEY COULD DO. ALL THEY HAVE TO DO IS CON FORM. SO, YOU'RE GIVING THEM THE PERMISSION NOW FOR WHAT THEY'RE SAYING, OR, WHAT THEY'RE LEAVING IN THERE FOR FUTURE USE. WHY WOULD THEY WANT TO CHANGE PROPERTY FROM A RESIDENTIAL CLASSIFICATION TO A COMMERCIAL CLASSIFICATION, THAT'S HIGHER TAXES, OKAY. WHAT'S NOT KNOWN AND WHAT'S NOT SHOWN ON THERE IS THAT THEY BOUGHT UP, LITTLE BY LITTLE, THEY BOUGHT UP THE HOUSE THAT WAS BEHIND THE BARN, PLACE THAT USED TO SELL THE SHEDS, THEY BOUGHT UP THE HOUSE, THE RESIDENCE ON BLANDING JUST NEXT TO MR. JONATHAN SMITH IS WHICH I HAVE A LETTER FROM HIM AND MR. BIANCO. MY PROPERTY IS DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM THESE TWO LOTS. IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE 25-FEET NOT 35 FEET, THAT WAS DISCUSSED AT THE SECOND MEETING.

THERE'S NOTICES WERE NOT GIVEN OUT RIGHT. THE SIGNS WEREN'T AFFIXED PROPERLY. THERE WERE MULTIPLE VIOLATIONS. IT SHOULD

NOT HAVE EVEN GOTTEN TO YOU. >> FINISH UP YOUR COMMENTS,

YOU'RE TIME'S UP. >> GOODNESS, I'VE GOT SO MUCH MORE. BUT, THE BIGGEST THING IS THAT THIS IS A RESIDENTIAL AREA.

IT IS A DIRT ROAD. IT'S BRINGING CRIME. THERE WAS NO ASSESSMENT FROM THE POLICE AND THE CLOSEST FIRE HYDRANT IS

7,000 FEET AWAY. >> CHAIR: THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON ITEM NUMBER 34?

>> CHAIR: CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING AND BRINGING IT BACK TO

THE COMMISSION. >> MR. CHAIRMAN, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE IT WITH THE REMOVAL OF THE ABILITY TO TAKE THE RESIDENTIAL INTO STORAGE. SO, I WOULD LIKE TO LEAVE THE RESIDENTIAL, RESIDENTIAL. AND, UNDERSTANDING THAT IT'S ONLY INCLUDED BECAUSE OF THE REQUIREMENT OF ACREAGE FOR THE

PCD. >> SECOND.

>>> OKAY. AND, TO ADDRESS IF IT WERE TO CHANGE FROM RESIDENTIAL AND HAVE TO COME BACK TO THE COMMISSION, THEY CAN'T JUST MOVE, YOU KNOW, THEY CAN'T JUST PUT ANYTHING BACK THERE THAT THEY WANT WITH THIS CHANGE TO THE PCD. ANY OTHER COMMENTS?

>> I HAVE QUESTIONS, SO, THEREFORE THEY COULD HAVE SOME OF THEIR EMPLOYEES LIVE THERE AS A HOUSE?

>> IT'S USED AS A RESIDENTIAL. >> RIGHT. IT'S STILL ON A COMMERCIAL PCD BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THEY OWN IT. CORRECT.

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OKAY. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE. I'M GOOD.

>> MS. CARSON? >> OKAY. SO, BETH WAS SAYING SHE DOESN'T HAVE HER MICROPHONE ON BUT SHE SAID IF WE CHANGE THE LAND USE THEN WE COULD ADD THAT IN.

>> SO, YOU WOULD NEED TO DO A MOTION FOR A, WHICH IS THE LAND USEMENT THEN, FOR B, YOU WOULD DO A MOTION FOR THE PUD WITH

YOUR REQUESTED REVISION. >> SO, MY FIRST MOTION IS FOR ITEM A ON ITEM NUMBER 34 TO CHANGE IT CHANGE THE 7.5 ACRES FROM RULE RESIDENTIAL TO COMMERCIAL.

>> SECOND. >> CHAIR: WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE COMP PLAN CHANGE LAND USE MAP FROM RURAL RESIDENTIAL TO COMMERCIAL. ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM THE

COMMISSION? >> SEEING NONE. ALL THOSE IN

FAVOR SAY AYE. >>

(CHORUS OF AYES) >> ANY OPPOSED, LIKE IRAN.

>> AYE. >> CHAIR: OKAY. PASSES 4-1.

>> AND MY SECOND MOTION IS FOR ITEM B TO REMOVE THE STATEMENT IN THE PUD THAT SAYS THAT THE TWO AR-ZONED PROPERTIES ON THE BACK PART OF THE PROPERTY COULD BE USED FOR STORAGE. THAT THEY

HAVE TO REMAIN RESIDENTIAL. >> MOTION AND A SECOND TO READ BACK TO CURRENT SINGLE FAMILY HOMES REMAIN RESIDENTIAL USE AND NOT, AND CHANGE, OR, UM, DELETE THE IN STORAGE PART TO THAT.

>> IT'S A REVISION TO THE SITE PLAN THAT WE'RE CHANGING.

>> ANYWHERE IT REFERS TO STORAGE IN THAT AREA.

>> IN THAT PUD, I WANT TO REMOVED.

>> I UNDERSTAND. >> CHAIR: THAT'S A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR THAT IS THAT CORRECT?

>> YES. >> CHAIR: WE HAVE A MOTION

AND A SECOND, ANY DISCUSSION? >> IF I COULD, COMMISSIONER, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT TAKING STORAGE OUT, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT ALL STORAGE? BECAUSE YOU DO HAVE STORAGE LISTED THERE

NEXT TO SEMITRACTER TRAILERS. >> YEAH, I DON'T THINK WE WANT THOSE THERE. IF THEY'RE BRINGING THEM AND LOADING THEM.

>> THAT WAS MY POINT, LOADING IS DIFFERENT THAN STORAGE.

>> THEY NEED TO FIGURE OUT WHERE TO STORE THEIR TRACTOR TRAILERS THAT ARE NOT ON THAT PROPERTY. IF THEY WANTED TO STORE THEM ON THE FRONT WHERE THAT'S ZONED COMMERCIAL, I'M FINE WITH THAT. BUT, WHAT I DON'T WANT IS FOR THEM TO START TO GO DOWN ROSEMARY LIKE, I'LL JUST TURN IT HERE AND PARK IT HERE FOR 15 MINUTES AND THE NEXT THING WE KNOW IT'S A DAY.

>> SO, THE TWO PARCELS THAT YOU ARE CONCERNED ABOUT ARE THE ONES

ON PRIMROSE. >> AND PRIMROSE AS A WHOLE.

>> SO, NO, I MEAN, IN THE, DOES THE PUD INCLUDE THE FRONT TWO THAT CURRENTLY THAT THEY CURRENTLY OWN?

>> THE PROBLEM IS THAT YOU'RE SITE PLAN DOESN'T INCLUDE WHERE THE TRACTOR TRAILER STORAGE ISMENT

>> I WOULD SAY PULL IT OUT AND IF YOU WANT TO BRING THAT BACK AND HAVE TRACTOR TRAILER, IF YOU WANT TO BRING A PLAN BACK THAT DESIGNATES TRACTOR TRAILER STORAGE ON THE FRONT PART OF BLANDING, WE WOULD BE WILLING TO ENTERTAIN THAT.

>> OKAY. I JUST WANT TO. INITIALLY, CAN YOU PUT THE SITE PLAN BACK AGAIN. I DON'T WANT TO COMMIT TO SOMETHING ESPECIALLY WITH THE PLANS HERE. SO THAT WE'RE ON THE SAME PAGE.

>> I THINK THIS IS OF CONCERN. >> FOR THIS STATION, YOU WANT

TO GET UP AND GO, RIGHT? >> I THINK THAT'S OF CONCERN.

BEHIND THE CURRENT OFFICE WHICH LOOKS LIKE A HOUSE WHICH USED TO BE A HOUSE. YOU KNOW, THAT, IF YOU GO AROUND HAVE YOU ACTUALLY

BEEN THERE? >> MULTIPLE TIMES.

>> SO, WHEN YOU DRIVE, WHEN YOU TURN DOWN ALLIGATOR, AND THEN GOING BACK IN THERE BEHIND THERE, THAT, I KNOW THAT YOU HAVE THAT BIG EASEMENT FOR THE BIG HIGH-POWER, POWER LINES BUT I DON'T THINK THEY WANT TRACTOR TRAILERS STORED BEHIND ALL OF

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THESE BUILDINGS. SO, THOSE ARE THE CONCERNS.

>> THOSE SAY CURRENTLY ON YOUR PUD, OPEN OR STRUCTURED. SO, IF YOUR THE RESIDENCE ON ROSEMARY. OR, GOAT OR WHATEVER THEY'RE CALLING IT AT THAT POINT. ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THAT PROPERTY, YOU DON'T WANT TO LOOK ACROSS AT A HUGE METAL STORAGE BUILDING OR ALIKE, A, CAR PORT, YOU KNOW, FOR TRACTOR TRAILERS OR WHATEVER THEY'RE DOING. I THINK THAT'S WHERE THE CONCERN COMES IN. I UNDERSTAND THE EXPANSION OF THE OFFICE. I GUESS I REALLY DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW YOUR OFFICE, YOU SAID TO US NOW LOOKING AT THIS, I'M NOT SURE I'M REALLY WITH YOU ON WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING.

HERE'S WHY, YOU SAID TO US THEY'RE EXPANDING THEIR OFFICE AREA. THAT'S NOT WHAT THAT SHOWS.

>> OKAY. IF YOU COULD GO TO MY SLIDES THEN YOU COULD SEE, IT'S

EASIER. THE FIRST SLIDE. >> OKAY. SO, THEY'RE EXPANDING THEIR OFFICES WHERE, I GUESS YOU COULD SEE THE GREEN AREA IS,

WHERE IT SAYS OFFICE EXPANSION. >> SO, BETWEEN THEIR CURRENT

BUILDINGS. >> YES, MA'AM.

>> OKAY. THAT MAKES MUCH MORE SENSE. I'M FINE WITH THAT.

THIS PART. THAT'S ALL EXISTING AS IS NOW.

>> BUT, IT DEPARTMENT SAY THAT ON YOUR SITE PLAN, YOUR SITE

PLAN SAYS STORAGE. >> THAT'S HOW IT IS BEING USED

CURRENTLY. >> NOT STRUCTURED STORAGE?

>> WELL, IT'S NOT STRUCTURES, WHAT IT IS IS, LIKE I SAID, THEY LOAD THEM UP SO THAT THEY COULD SEND THEM TO WHEREVER THE JOB IS. IN THE CARIBBEAN OR WHEREVER THEY HAVE THEIR CONTRACT. SO, THIS WAY, THE STUFF IS COMING INTO CLAY COUNTY, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE LOADING IT AND TAKING IT ELSEWHERE. SO, IT'S WHAT THEY'VE BEEN DOING THERE TO BE HONEST, NOW, IT'S BY YOU KNOW, KIND OF RIGHT. AND, SO, I DON'T KNOW HOW WE NEED TO DESCRIBE IT TO GET YOUR CONCERNS.

>> AGAIN, PLEASE. >> I'M GRATEFUL THAT IMC IS HERE AND THAT THEY EMPLOY SO MANY AND THEY REALLY DO FIGHT FOR CLAY COUNTY JOBS, I JUST WANT TO BE SURE THAT WE'RE PROTECTING THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT IS BEHIND THE COMMERCIAL.

>> AND THEY WANT TO BE GOOD NEIGHBORS. THAT'S WHY I WANT TO BE SURE THAT WE'RE ON THE SAME PAGE.

>> SO, I'M FINE, IF THAT SAYS OPEN OR STRUCTURES. I THINK IT'S THE STRUCTURED PART WHICH MEANS THEY WOULD GO IN AND

CHANGE IT. >> BUT, YOU WERE FINE WITH THE CONTAINER THAT YOU BRING AND LEAVE?

>> THEY'RE CURRENTLY DOING THAT. BUT, YOU DIDN'T SAY THAT.

YOU DIDN'T SAY CONTAINERS THEY'RE BRINGING AND LEAVING.

MY ISSUE IS. MAYBE I MISUNDERSTOOD.

>> THEY BRING THEM IN. THEY LOAD THEM UP, BUT, THEY MIGHT BE THERE FOR, YOU KNOW, A WEEK OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

>> THAT'S NOT WHAT YOU SAID. >> WELL, IF I SAID IT WRONG, I'M SORRY, AND I'M NOT TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, I DON'T RUN THEIR BUSINESS. AND, SO, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT SURE. THEY'RE CONTAINERS. THEY'RE STORAGE CONTAINERS. THERE'S CONTAINERS

THAT GO ON SHIPS. >> THE VEHICLE TO TRANSPORT THESE CONTAINERS, IS IT HOUSED ON THIS PROPERTY?

>> NO, SIR. THAT I'VE NOT SEEN.

>> THEY CONTRACTED TRANSPORTATION TO A THIRD PARTY?

>> YES. >> SO, THE TRUCKS WON'T BE ON

THE PROPERTY? >> YES, SIR Z.

>> BUT, THE CONTAINERS WITH THE EQUIPMENT HAVE TO BE LOADED OR

UNLOADED? >> YES, SIR.

>> AND SO THEY WOULD BE THERE FOR A PERIOD OF TIME AND GO

AWAY. >> THAT'S WHAT THEY'VE BEEN DOING FOR YEARS FROM MY UNDERSTANDING. BUT, IT'S NOT WHAT YOU WOULD THINK A PARKING OF A TRACTOR TRAILER LIKE YOU

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WOULD HAVE AT A TRUCK PLAZA OR NEAR A TRUCK PLAZA OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. THAT'S NOT WHAT THEY DO. THEY DO NOT TRANSPORT. THE CONTAINER THAT IS GO ON A BARGE TO GO TO THE CARIBBEAN OR WHEREVER THEY ARE HAVING THE PROJECT.

>> IF WE CATEGORIZE THAT SPACE AS TEMPORARY STORAGE, THAT MAY

SATISFY EVERYBODY? >> YOU CAN TERM IT HOWEVER YOU LIKE, MR. CHAIR, IF I COULD. WHAT BOTHER ME IS THAT YOU GOT A NUMBER OF STORAGE CONTAINERS SITTING THERE, AND MAYBE BETH COULD HELP ME WITH REFRESHING ME IN TERMS OF WHAT THE BUFFER IS

AROUND THE PCD? >> SO, FROM COMMERCIAL TO RESIDENTIAL. AND THEY CHANGED IT, IT WOULD BE A 20-FOOT E TYPE BUFFER WHICH REQUIRE AS 6-FOOT VISUAL BARRIER WHETHER IT'S A FENCE WALL OR SHRUBS AND EVERGREEN TREE PLANTING ON

CERTAINTY. >> BECAUSE, THAT'S ALSO WHAT

I'M WORRIED ABOUT. >> IF WE'VE GOT STORAGE UNITS THERE WAITING TO BE FILLED OR WHAT HAVE YOU. MAYBE A TRACTOR TRAILER DECIDES TO STAY FOR A BIT AND MAYBE IT'S THERE OVERNIGHT AND MAY BE NOT, ALL THE FOLKS SURROUNDING THIS PARCEL ON ALL SIDES WILL BE LOOKING AT ALL OF THIS STUFF.

AND THAT BOTHER ME. BECAUSE, I COULD TELL YOU, UM, COMMISSIONER CONDON IS RIGHT, IF THEY START PUT PUTTING IT TRACTOR TRAILERS PARK THERE, SHELL GET CALLS. THAT'S THE BIGGEST CODE VIOLATION WHERE ALL THESE PEOPLE PARK THEIR

TRACTOR TRAILERS AT THIS POINT. >> AND THEY'RE NOT PARKING THEM THERE BECAUSE THAT'S NOT THE INTENT. THAT'S NOT WHAT THEY'RE

DOING NOW. >> THROUGH THE CHAIR?

>> I FEEL LIKE THE APPLICANT, WE NEED TO WAIT UNTIL HE'S OKAY TO COME HERE. TO BE FAIR, I JUST FEEL LIKE WE NEED TO HEAR FROM THEM AND TO KNOW EXACTLY WHAT WE SHOULD EXPECT. BECAUSE, I MEAN, LIKE YOU SAID, YOU DON'T RUN THEIR BUSINESS. I MEAN, I WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO KNOW TO EXPLAIN IT EITHER. SO...

>> I DON'T WANT TO COMMIT TO SOMETHING WHICH ISN'T. I APPRECIATE THE COMMISSIONER. THEY WANT TO DO WHATEVER IS GOOD FOR THE COUNTY AND WHATEVER IS GOOD FOR YOU AND THE NEIGHBORS.

THEY'RE GOOD NEIGHBORS AND HELP PEOPLE WHEN STORMS HAPPEN AND HELP CLEAR BECAUSE, OBVIOUSLY, THEY HAVE EQUIPMENT THAT CAN CLEAR. SO, THEY WANT TO BE GOOD NEIGHBORS. IF WE NEED TO CHANGE THE LANGUAGE TO GIVE YOU A BETTER FEELING WE DON'T HAVE A

PROBLEM WITH THAT. >> MR. BURKE, YOU READ MY MIND, I WAS FEELING LIKE, I JUST FEEL LIKE WE HAVE QUESTIONS FOR THEM THAT YOU'RE NOT ABLE TO ANSWER. I DON'T FEEL LIKE IT'S CLEAR IN THE PCD, THE INTENTIONS AND THE AND UNDERSTAND TO COMMISSIONER CELLA'S ORIGINAL QUESTION. I UNDERSTAND WHY THE BACK PART IS INCLUDED. IS THERE A WAY, WE'RE NOT GETTING A WARM FUZZY, AND I KNOW THE TURNAGES, I SAT IN THE AUDIENCE AND HEARD MR. TURNAGE TALK TO THE BCC WHEN I WAS A COMMISSIONER, ABOUT HIRING CLAY COUNTY RESIDENTS. HE IS VERY COMMITTED TO CLAY COUNTY AND I THINK A LOT OF THEM. SO, THAT'S NOT MY ISSUE AT ALL. I WANT TO SEE THIS EXPANSION. I LIKE THE OFFICE BETWEEN FRONTING BLANDING, I LIKE THAT A LOT. THAT'S JUST BEEN A TRADE AREA.

NO ONE HAS AN ISSUE WITH THAT. YOU KNOW, BLANDING, WE'RE GOING TO HEAR A CASE IN JUST A FEW MINUTES, BLANDING'S SWINGS W INTENTION IS TO BE COMMERCIAL. SO, THAT'S NOT AN ISSUE. I THNG OUR QUESTIONS COME UP. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WOULD BE WILLING TO.

IF WE COULD MOVE TO, YOU KNOW, AND I UNDERSTAND, Y'ALL HAVE DELAYED THIS A NUMBER OF MEETINGS. AND, SO, I UNDERSTAND THE TURNAGES AND THE LONGS DID NOT THINK THEY WOULD BE HERE TONIGHT. AND THAT'S WHY I ALSO WANT TO BE SENSITIVE TO GETTING IT RIGHT. VERSUS GETTING IT DONE FAST. AND, SO, I DON'T KNOW IF WE COULD MOVE, CAN WE MOVE TO DELAY IT? OR? OKAY.

>> CHAIR: WE CAN MOVE TO CONTINUE IT.

>> DO WE NEED TO STATE THE SPECIFIC DATE? JANUARY 9TH.

>> WOULD THAT BE ACCEPTABLE IF I MOVED TO DO THAT?

>> WELL, YOU'VE PASSED THE LANE USE, SO, THAT'S FINE. SO, WE'LL MEET WITH YOU BETWEEN NOW AND THEN AND WORK OUT, I MEAN, NOT MUCH HAPPENS, I DON'T THINK ANYTHING'S HAPPENING DURING THE HOLIDAYS RELATED TO THIS. SO, THAT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, AS I ALWAYS TELLMY CLIENTS, I WANT TO PROVE AND I'LL TAKE A DEFERRAL

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OVER A DENIAL, WE WANT TO BE SURE IF THERE'S ADDITIONAL LANGUAGE THAT IS NEEDED, WE DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.

>>> I MOVE TO CONTINUE THE PUD APPROVAL OR PCD, IT'S A PUD BECAUSE IT INCLUDES THE RESIDENTIAL.

>> WELL, IT'S THE PCD. >> I MOVE TO UM, THE REZONING CHANGE, I MOVE TO CONTINUE TO THE JANUARY 9TH, 2024, MEETING.

>> I SECOND THAT. >> CHAIR: OKAY OF WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO CONTINUE ITEM B, THE PCD APPROVAL TO

JANUARY 9TH. >> MOTION AND A SECOND, ANY

OTHER DISCUSSION? >> SEEING NONE, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. >

(CHORUS OF AYES). >> CHAIR: OPPOSED? LIKE

SIGN. >> PASSES 5-0.

>> THANK YOU, JANICE. >> THANK YOU.

[35. Final Public Hearing to Consider COMP0923-00012, Transmittal of Proposed Amendment to FLUM Changing 3145 Acres from AG, RR, IND, CO, and COMM to PC and to Amend Urban Service Area to Include the 3145 Acres (District 5, Comm. Burke)(E. Lehman and D. Selig)(Continued from last month)]

>> AND BETH. >> CHAIR: ITEM 35 IS FINAL PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER COMP PLAN CHANGE 0923-00012, TRANSMITTAL PROPOSED FUTURE LAND USE MAP CHANGING 3145 ACRES FROM AGRR INDUSTRIAL TO SPECIAL TO PC AND TO AMEND URBAN SERVICES AREAS TO INCLUDE 31 TO, AR? ANYWAY? CODEDY, TELL US WITH A

WE'RE DOING HERE? >> OKAY. THIS IS A FUTURE LAND USE CHANGE APPLICATION, IT'S A MAP AMENDMENT. AND THIS IS THE TRANSMITTAL HEARING ONLY. SO, YOU'RE NOT VOTING ON THE PROJECT ITSELF. YOU'RE VOTING TO TRANSMIT THE PROJECT TO THE STATE AND THE STATE REVIEWING AGENCIES FOR THEM TO PROVIDE COMMENTS THAT WOULD COME BACK TO YOU, AND THEN THE ITEM WOULD COME BACK AGAIN. SO, UM, THE APPLICATION WOULD AMEND THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP. AS I SAID, IT IS THE AGRICULTURAL TO RURAL RESIDENTIAL CONSERVATION AND COMMERCIAL TO PLANNED COMMUNITY\. AND IT WOULD EXTEND THE BOUNDARIES OF URBAN SERVICE AREA SOUTH TO INCLUDE THE ACREAGE ENCOMPASSED BY THIS PROJECT. IT'S IN DISTRICT FIVE, COMMISSIONER BURKE'S DISTRICT.

THE APPLICANT IS SANDER COURT FARMS LLC. AND YOU COULD SEE THE PROJECT THERE IS IN THAT SORT OF ORANGE/RED COLOR JUST WEST OF HIGHWAY 17. IN THIS CASE, THE SUBJECT SITE IS HATCHED IN WITH BLACK LINES. NEXT SLIDE.

>> THE MAP ON THE LEFT SHOWS THE SITE UNDER THE EXISTING FUTURE LAND USE CATEGORIES AND ON THE RIGHT SHOWS THE PROPOSED LAND USE CATEGORIES. AND THE EFFECT VITEAE POTENTIAL PROJECT ON THE LEVEL OF SERVICE WAS LOOKED AT AND IT IS NOT IN THE URBAN SERVICES AREA SO THE MAP WOULD HAVE TO BE AMENDED.

THERE'S CAPACITY FOR SOLID WASTE. AND STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THAT A ROADWAY NETWORK THROUGH THE PARK IS INTERCHANGED WITH THE EXPRESSWAY IS NECESSARY TO ADDRESS POTENTIAL IMPACTS TO U.S. 17. THE DEVELOPER AGREE TOSS PAY GREEN COVE SPRINGS AREA MOBILITY FEES FOR ANY DEVELOPMENT APPROVED PRIOR TO THE UPDATE MAY USE OF CREDIT TO REPLACE MOBILITY FEES AS FAR AS STATE LAW ALLOWS. WITH RESPECT TO POTABLE WATER AND WASTE WATER, STAFF'S CONCERNED WITH THE TIMING OF PROVISION AND THE LACK OF IT COMMITMENT TO SERVE THE ENTIRE PROJECT AND THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED IN THE DEVELOPER AGREEMENT. REGARDING SCHOOLS, THEY'RE DEDICATING 30 ACRES FOR THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL SITE FOR CREDIT AGAINST THE PROPORTIONATE SHARE TO MITIGATE THE SCHOOL IMPACTS. REGARDING RECREATION, IF IT'S TRANSMITTED, STAFF WILL WORK WITH THE APPLICANT TO CLARIFY IN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND THE PUD THOSE COMMITMENTS TO ENSURE THAT THE PROJECT EXCEEDS THE COUNTY'S LEVEL OF SERVICE STANDARDS FOR ACTIVE AND PASSIVE RECREATION.

AND REGARDING PUBLIC SAFETY, THE APPLICANT'S COMMITTED TO CONTRIBUTE FOUR ACRES FOR FIRE, SORRY, CREDIT AGAINST FEES.

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THERE'S A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND IT WOULD SERVE AS A DEVELOPMENT ORDER. CONCERNS NEED TO BE ADDRESSED WITH THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT OR ELSE STAFF WILL NOT APPROVE THE ADOPTION. REQUIRES A PUD AND IF IT'S APPROVED FOR TRANSMITTAL, THE PUD ZONING CAN ONLY BE APPROVED BY THE BOARD IF IT ADOPTS THE LAND USE CHANGE WHICH IS SCHEDULED FOR A FEBRUARY/MARCH TIME FRAME SOMETIME AFTER THE COMMENTS ARE RETURNED FROM THE STATE. NEXT SLIDE. AS I SAID, THIS IS A TRANSMITTAL STAGE, IT DOES NOT OBLIGATE THE COUNTY TO ADOPT THE ITEM. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE TRANSMITTAL OF THE PROPOSED FUTURE LAND USE AMENDMENT. AND THE PROPOSAL TO INCLUDE THE BOUNDARIES OF THE PROPERTY. STAFF ALSO RECOMMENDS THAT THIS PROPOSE THE CHANGE IF IT'S APPROVED FOR TRANSMIT ALIBI THE BOARD COME BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR RECOMMENDATION ON ADOPTION. AMENDMENTS APPROVED FOR TRANSMITTAL DON'T TYPICALLY COME BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION BEFORE AN OPTION AND PLANNING COMMISSION VOTED 6-1 IN FAVOR OF THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION. AND THAT IS ALL. AND THE APPLICANT HAS A PRESENTATION FOR YOU AS WELL.

>> ALL RIGHT. THIS IS THE PROPERTY, SO, SPOKE FOR THE

APPLICANT? >> YES, SIR. I'LL TRY TO.

>> YES, SIR. >> IS THIS, UM, NO PROBLEM.

YEAH, STAFF COMMUNICATED THAT THE HOPE FOR THIS TO BE A LITTLE BIT BRIEFER THAN THE PLANNING COMMISSION PRESENTATION. WE UNDERSTAND IT WAS A LOT. SO, IT'S A BIG PROJECT. AND, UM, WE WANT TO BE COGNIZANT OF EVERYONE'S TIME. SO, I WILL JUST JUMP IN HERE. I'M CHRISTOF, AND WE'RE BRINGING BEFORE YOU A PLAN AND WE'RE HOPING TO BE ABLE TO TAKE THIS TO THE NEXT STEPS SO THAT WE COULD KEEP REFINING THIS AND CONTINUE OUR WORK WITH THE COUNTY AND THE PUBLIC TO CREATE

SOMETHING HERE. >> IT'S NOT WORKING. OH. I DON'T KNOW IF WE WANT TO JUST, YOU COULD GO FORWARD. REBOOT.

AGRICOLA. >> AGRICOLA.

>> >> WHERE DOES A SNOWMAN STORE

HIS MONEY? >> I DON'T KNOW.

>> SNOW BANK. >> .

[LAUGHTER] >> OKAY. THIS IS OUR TEAM, WE'VE GOT YOU KNOW, LOCAL AND NATIONAL EXPERTS HERE. KEEP

GOING. >> SO, AS FAR AS THE SITE ITSELF AND THE SITE SUITABILITY, IT'S CLOSE TO INFRASTRUCTURE, MAJOR INFRASTRUCTURE INVESTMENTS. THE FIRST EXPRESSWAY, THE GREEN COVE'S BYPASS, AND U.S. 17, ONE OF TWO NORTH SOUTH ARTERIALS IN THE COUNTY. THERE ARE FIVE MAJOR ARTERIALS IN THE COUNTY AND THE FUTURE LAND USE 17 MULTIUSE TRAIL IT'S WELCOME BACK A 10 MINUTE DRY TO DOWNTOWN GREEN COVE WHICH HAS EXPERIENCED GROWTH AND A FIVE MINUTE DRIVE TO THE CONSERVATION AREA IN THE ST. JOHN'S RIVER. NEXT SLIDE.

>> SO, WE AS YOU COULD SEE HERE, THIS HAS BEEN A LONG PROCESS, WE'VE TRIED OUR BEST TO INVOLVE THE COMMUNITY IN IT. WE WORKED VERY, WE HAD PUBLIC SHIRRETTES AND HAVE CONTINUED TO REACH OUT TO PEOPLE THAT HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO VOICE THEIR CONCERNS OR INPUT SO FAR. SO, NEXT SLIDE.

>> A VIEW OF US ARE GOING TO JUMP IN TO MAKE IT MORE

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INTERESTING. I'M BRIAN WRIGHT, I'M LEADING THE PLANNING TEAM FOR THE AGRICOLAS, AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS IMPORTANT TO US IS AS WE HEARD FROM THE COMMUNITY AND LOOKED AT THE COUNTY'S GOALS AND TRIED TO IDENTIFY HOW TO INCORPORATE THOSE INTO THE PROJECT. SO, THE IDEA OF SUPPORTING AND GROWING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND TOURISM WAS IMPORTANT FOR US AND ALSO, TRYING TO CONCENTRATE THE GROWTH ALONG THE EXPRESSWAY RATHER THAN SPREADING IT ALL OVER THE COUNTY. IF WE'RE GOING TO GROW, MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE DOING IT IN A WAY THAT'S MEANINGFUL, LOOKING AT VIABLE, HIGH QUALITY USE OF THE ENVIRONMENT. AND TRYING TO ATTRACT EMPLOYERS WITH THE GOAL FOR YOU GUYS AND FOR US AS WELL BECAUSE WE WANT THIS TO BE A REALLY COMPLETE COMMUNITY SO THAT YOU COULD WORK AND LIVE IN THE COMMUNITY ALL AT ONCE.

THE IDEA OF CLUSTERING THE DEVELOPMENT. NOT ONLY IN THE COUNTY AT LARGE BUT OPT SITE SO THAT WE COULD PRESERVE MORE OPEN SPACE AND THE NATURAL AMENITY OF THE PROPERTY. AND THEN, ALIGNING WITH THE NEIGHBORING COMMUNITIES HEARING FROM THEIR CONCERNS, LOOKING FOR OPPORTUNITIES THAT CONNECT, AS WELL AS WE GO THROUGH. THE NEXT SLIDE. SO, WE'VE SET UP GUIDING PRINCIPLES, THE IDEAS AS I SAID IS A COMPLETE COMMUNITY. SO, HAVING SCHOOLS, PARKS AND FIRE STATIONS, AND HEALTH CARE AND RETAIL AND ALL OF THAT WITHIN THE COMMUNITY. FOR A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT REASONS, ONE, THE QUALITY OF LIFE FOR THE PEOPLE LIVING HERE AND ALSO SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE PEOPLE LEAVING AND GETTING INTO THEIR CARS AND PLUGGING UP THE ROADS AND WE WANT TO INCORPORATE A WIDE VARIETY OF HOUSING TYPES SO THAT PEOPLE CAN LIVE IN ALL. ALSO AS YOU'LL SEE AGRICULTURE AS WELL. THE NEXT IS THE SEE WARDSHIP OF THE LAND AND THE ENVIRONMENT. WE WANTED TO TAKE THE NATURAL FEATURES OF THE SITE AND INCORPORATE THEM INTO THE PLAN AND AS AN ASSET. WHENEVER WE SEE A WETLAND ON THE SITE OR SOME SORT OF A STREAM OR CREEK OR WHATEVER, WE THINK THAT'S GREAT, WHEREAS A LOT OF TIMES, DEVELOPERS ARE LIKE, OH, SHOOT, WE GOT TO GET RID OF THAT, LET'S MITIGATE THAT. WE ACTUALLY SEE THOSE AS AMENITIES. AND WE CREATE AN INTERCONNECTED NETWORK OF GREENWAYS, AND TRAILS AND PARKS FOR PEOPLE AND HABITAT AS WELL. SO, PROVIDING AN OPPORTUNITY FOR HEALTHY LIVING. WE KNOW THERE'S ALL SORTS OF DIFFERENT CRISIS GOING ON NATIONALLY FOR HEALTH AND WE SEE THIS AS AN OPPORTUNITIES WHEN WE HAVE AS MUCH LAND AS WE DO TO START TO PROVIDE A HEALTHY PLACE FOR PEOPLE TO LIVE, SO, CONNECTING NATURE AND RECREATION AND HAVING BIKE AND PEDESTRIAN-FRIENDLY STREETS AND SIDEWALKS AND TRAILS THROUGHOUT.

AND AS I SAID, HAVING ACCESS TO FRESH, HEALTHY FOOD WHICH IS GROWN LITERALLY ON SITE AND GROWING ENOUGH OR OUR COMMUNITY BUT THAT CAN ALSO BE DISTRIBUTED THROUGHOUT THE REGION.

ATTRACTING BUSINESSES, WE'RE LOOKING TO PULL NATIONALLY.

THIS PROJECT WILL BE A NATIONAL MODEL FOR RURAL GROWTH AND DEVELOPMENT IN PARTICULAR BUT JUST IN GENERAL. THE PLACE THAT HAS BEEN INCORPORATED, THE ENVIRONMENTAL STEWARDSHIP WE WANT TO FIND BUSINESSES THAT HAVE THE SAME CORE VALUES AND ATTRACT THEM TO THE SITE OF WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE AND THAT WILL ALLOW US TO ATTRACT AND RETAIN WORK FORCE. BECAUSE, RIGHT NOW WHEN BUSINESSES ARE LOOKING TO RELOCATE. THE QUESTION IS WHERE ARE MY EMPLOYEES WANTING TO LIVE. WE WANT TO CREATE A PLACE THAT THEY COULD EASILY SELL TO THEIR EMPLOYEES IN THE FUTURE.

SO, TRYING TO TIE INTO LOW-IMPACT DEVELOPMENT SO THAT WE'RE MITIGATING AND MINIMIZING OUR IMPACTS ON THE SITE AND ON THE REGION AND COUNTY, PRIORITIZING WETLANDS AS I SAID.

PUTTING IN THE BUFFERS AND HAVING EXTENSIVE WILDLIFE CORRIDORS AND COMPACT DEVELOPMENT AS WE GO. LETTING THE LAND NATURALY FILTER AND STORE THE STORM WATER, AND LETTING IT BE DEALT WITH IN A NATURAL WAY. WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT NOT ALLOWING LAWN, GRASS, YOU KNOW, HAVING ALL NATIVE PLANT MATERIALS. SO, YOU WOULD HAVE GRASS MAYBE IN A PUBLIC PARK BUT NOT ON YOUR LOT. THAT'S NOT FOR EVERYBODY, BUT, IT WILL BE FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE. IT WILL REDUCE OUR IMPACT ON WATER NEEDS AS WELL AS THE OVERALL LOOK AT THE COMMUNITY. AND THEN, RIGHT NOW, THE SITE IS A PINE FARM, RIGHT? SO, JUST ROWS AND ROWS OF PINE TREES IT'S NOT INTERESTING OR BIODIVERSE, AND IT'S REALLY NOT FUNCTIONING GNAT WAY THAT IT USED TO. SO, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO DO IS AS WITH HE GO IS ACTUALLY BRINGING WHACK AND REFORESTING THE ORIGINAL NATIVE HABITAT AND LANDSCAPE THAT'S THERE. SO, ACTUALLY HAVING A POSITIVE

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IMPACT ON THE SITE THROUGH DEVELOPMENT. NEXT?

>> AND THEN, AS I SAID, AGRICULTURE, LOOKING AT AGRICULTURE OF ALL SCALES SO FROM LARGE SCALE REGIONAL FARMING TO, YOU KNOW, SMALL NEIGHBORHOOD GARDEN PLOTS FOR PEOPLE WHO DON'T WANT TO DO IT ON THEIR OWN LOT TO HAVING HOBBY FARMS AND FARMETTES ON THEIR OWN SITE AND YOU KNOW, TRYING TO INCORPORATE EVERYTHING THAT WE CAN TO GROW FOOD AND MAKE IT A

PRODUCTIVE LANDSCAPE. NEXT? >> SO, CLAIRE'S GOING TO TELL US ABOUT THE SPECIFICS OF SOME OF THE NUMBERS.

>> HI, I'M CLAIRE MORRIS WILLIAMS I'M THE PROJECT MANAGER FOR THIS TEAM. I WANTED TO BRING YOU IN ON THE OUR DESIGN PROCESS. WE STARTED WITH THE PUBLIC BEFORE ADDING PEN TO PAPER, THIS WAS ALL PART OF OUR PUBLIC SHERETTE PROCESS. WE STARTED OUT TRYING TO BE GREAT STEWARDS OF THE LAND, PRIORITIZE WETLANDS AND LOWER OUR IMPACT. WE STARTED WITH THE QUESTION OF WHAT IF WE DON'T TOUCH ANY WETLANDS, THAT'S 522 ACRES OF

OUR SITE. NEXT? >> AND THEN, WHAT IF, INSTEAD OF NOT TOUCHING ANY WETLANDS, WE ADDED A 100 FOOT BUFFER AROUND THE WETLANDS TO FURTHER PRESERVE THE INTEGRITY OF THE HABITATS AND THE WILD LIFE THERE. AND BEYOND THAT, WE'VE, UM, THEN CONNECTED THOSE WET LANDS WITH CONTINUE SPACE AND CONVERTING THAT TO A REFORESTED LAND TO IMPROVE THE WILDLIFE HABITATS AS WELL. SO, HAVING THAT CONTINUOUS NETWORK ALLOWS FOR BOTH A GREAT TRAIL SYSTEM THAT'S OPEN TO THE PUBLIC AS WELL AS WILD LIFE CORRIDORS. AND THEN ON TOP OF THAT WE LAYERED OUR FORMAL CIVIC SPACES, ACTIVE RECREATION AREAS, PLAZAS, PARKS, GREEN, YOU'LL SEE THAT WITH WE STARTED WITH THE GREEN NETWORK, THAT'S 50% MINIMUM OF OUR SITE. IT WOULD BE OPEN SPACE. OPEN TO THE PUBLIC. UM, AND THAT WOULD, AGAIN, INCLUDE DOG PARKS, RECREATION, BALL PARKS, COMMUNITY GARDENS RICTUS AGRICULTURE, ET CETERA. ALL OF THESE ITEMS ARE LISTED, TOTAL ACRE RAGES IN THE BINDING AGREEMENT ANND THE THIS IS AND HAMLETS, THIS WAS DISCOURAGED AND PROMOTING WALK ABILITY, LEAVING MUCH OF THE NATURAL GREEN SPACE INTACT, WE ARE REALLY ALIGNED, THAT IS ONE OF THE GREAT THINGS ABOUT WORKING WITH THIS CLIENT. NEXT. DURING THE PROCESS, THIS IS ONE OF THE DESIGN CONCEPTS WE CAME UP WITH, AND -- ACTUALLY, WE CAME UP WITH TWO CONCEPTS AND WE COMBINED THEM, WORKING ON THE BEST OF, AND WE GOT INSTANT FEEDBACK FROM MANY PEOPLE WHO WERE THERE, THIS IS THE AIRPORTS FEEDBACK, THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT THE APPROACHES OWNS, THE BUFFERS THEY WERE REQUIRING, SO WE REMOVED ONE OF THE NODES IN THAT LARGE GREEN SPACE AND ALSO MAKE SURE THERE WAS NO DEVELOPMENT ON THE ACTUAL APPROACH ZONES. WE HAVE ALSO HEARD FROM OTHER NEIGHBORS THAT BUFFERS WOULD BE IMPORTANT FOR THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS AS WELL AND WE ARE WORKING WITH THEM ON THAT. NEXT. SO, MOVING ON TO THE REGULATORY PROCESS, WE NEEDED TO GO AFTER THE COMP PLAN AMENDMENT, LIKE MOST, IT ADDRESSES RECREATION, TRAFFIC, STORM WATER, DRAINAGE, IMPACTS AND MITIGATIONS MIXED. WE WILL BE REQUESTING TO AMEND THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP FROM PLAIN COMMUNITY, OR TO PLAIN COMMUNITY AND MODIFY THE URBAN SERVICE BOUNDARY WHICH IS ADJACENT TO THE SITE BUT DOESN'T INCLUDE THE SITE. NEXT. AS YOU CAN SEE, THE ORANGE LINE IS THE EXISTING URBAN SERVICE AREA BOUNDARY STILL LEFT AND ON THE RIGHT IS WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING. THE RED LINE THROUGH THE BLUE IS THE FIRST EXPRESSWAY AND THE TINY LINE IS THE GREEN COVE SPRINGS BYPASS. SO WE ARE WITHIN A QUARTER-MILE OF HUGE INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS WHERE, LIKE CRYSTAL SAID, VERY CLOSELY TIED TO GREEN COVE SPRINGS AS WELL. SO, WHY MOVE

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FORWARD WITH THE PLANS COMMUNITY DESIGNATION? THIS ALLOWS FOR A MIXED-USE, AND IT IS EXPRESSLY TIED TO A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT LIKE I SAID BEFORE, WHERE WE DEDICATE OPEN SPACE, PARK, SCHOOLS, ROAD CONNECTIONS AND A MINIMUM OF COMMERCIAL SQUARE FEET PER SPACE, AND WE HAVE THE PD ZONING GUIDES, THE CHARACTER AND QUALITY OF THE DESIGNS. I HEARD CHARACTER A LOT IN OTHER CONVERSATIONS AND WHAT IS IMPORTANT ABOUT THE PC CATEGORY IS IT TIES US WITH BINDING COMMITMENTS WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT THAT REALLY GOT A GREAT QUALITY PRODUCT. NEXT. SO, PART OF THE COMP PLAN AMENDMENT, WE NEED TO GO THROUGH THE URBAN SPRAWL CRITERIA, WE HAVE PROVIDED AN EXTENSIVE NARRATIVE ABOUT THIS, AND THE EXTENDED AREA. WE TALKED ABOUT NOT ADVERSELY IMPACTING NATURAL RESOURCES BUT REFORESTING THE PROPERTY FROM TIMBERLAND TO THE ACTUAL HABITAT. COMPACT COMPLETE CONNECTED DEVELOPMENT AS WE'VE SHOWN, PROMOTING AGRICULTURE AND OPEN SPACE BEING 50% OF THE SITE. THANK YOU.

>> GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS, I'M A MANAGING PARTNER OF THE ECONOMIC CONSULTING FIRM, WE HAVE CONDUCTING EXTENSIVE ANALYSIS TO SUPPORT THE DESIGN ORIENTATION AND PHASING OF THE PROJECT. WE HAD FOUR MARKET ANALYSES, TWO OTHER BUCKET ANALYSES, FOUR TOTAL ON THE PROJECT TEAM. NEXT. AND THE END GOAL HERE AGAIN IS TO CREATE SOMETHING THAT LOOKS AND FEELS LIKE THIS. THERE IS A CLEAR NEED FOR MORE HOUSING AND IN PARTICULAR PENT-UP DEMAND FOR THIS TYPE OF HOUSING ON-SITE WHICH DOESN'T CURRENTLY EXIST IN THE COUNTY. AND THERE HAS BEEN VERY LITTLE IN THE WAY OF NEW OFFICE GROWTH IN THE COUNTY OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF DECADES, SO THE MAIN FOCUS FOR OUR TEAM, ESPECIALLY FROM THE VISIBILITY AND ECONOMIC SIDE, HOW DO WE CREATE CONDITIONS THAT WOULD ATTRACT EMPLOYERS TO THE SITE. AND THE ANSWER IS PLACE MAKING. CREATING THE VALUE IN THE AESTHETICS AND THE THINGS TO DO AND THE BRAND IDENTITY SO PEOPLE WANT TO VISIT, IT IS WHERE EMPLOYERS WANT TO LOCATE. NEXT. BASED ON THE MARKET ANALYSIS AND THE LONG-TERM VISION, WE THOUGHT THROUGH THE LAND-USE, BOTH MIXED-USE AND IT REALLY STARTS WITH A HIGHER CONCENTRATION OF RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT IN THE LOCAL SERVING RETAIL THAT SUPPORTS THAT IN THOSE CLUSTERS THROUGHOUT THE SITE. FOLLOWED BY REVENUE TO INVEST IN OUTDOOR RECREATION, ADDITIONAL AMENITIES, TO CONTINUE TO ATTRACT MORE VISITORS, MORE RETAIL AND BE ABLE TO SUPPORT ADDITIONAL EDUCATION OFFICE AND FLEX USE ON-SITE AND IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT UP AS OPPOSED FROM MANY DEVELOPMENTS, THIS HAS A FINANCIAL VANTAGE POINT, ISN'T JUST TO SELL AS MANY HOUSES AS POSSIBLE, IT IS REALLY ABOUT BUILDING THAT SENSE OF PLACE AND HIGH-QUALITY CHARACTER. FOR EXAMPLE, OUR RESIDENTIAL MARKET ANALYSIS SHOWED A DEMAND FOR MORE THAN 2000 RESIDENTIAL UNITS EVERY FIVE YEARS. BUT, OUR PHASING AND OUR DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT IS ON AVERAGE 670 HOMES EVERY FIVE YEARS, SO WE ARE NOT COMING CLOSE TO MAXIMIZING WHERE WE THINK WE COULD BUILD IN TERMS OF PACE OF RESIDENTIAL. AND WE DID HEAR FROM THE COUNTY AND FROM FEEDBACK PRIOR, BASED ON THAT WE CONDUCTED AN IN-DEPTH HOUSING NEEDS ASSESSMENT, AND IN SHORT, THE EFFICIENT DEMOGRAPHIC RESEARCH SHOWS THAT EVEN IF ALL HOMES ARE ENTITLED IN THE COUNTY, AND FOLKS MOVE IN, THERE IS STILL A SHORTAGE OF 12,500 UNITS IN THE NEXT 25 YEARS. AND ACTUALLY WE THINK THERE'S EVEN MORE BECAUSE AVERAGE HOUSEHOLD SIZES ARE GETTING SMALLER AND BECAUSE OF THE NATURE OF THIS HOUSING PROJECT AND THERE'S A LOT OF PENT-UP DEMAND. NEXT. SO, THE IMPLICATIONS FOR THE COUNTY, IT IS TRULY A MASSIVE ECONOMIC IMPACT WE CONDUCTED A VERY THOROUGH FISCAL AND ECONOMIC IMPACT ANALYSIS, AND INDIRECT AND INDUCED JOB CREATION AND REVENUE CREATION THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY. AND ON THE FISCAL SIDE, WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT FEAR -- FOR MUNICIPALITY, WHAT ARE THE CHARACTERISTICS THAT BUILD A SEND SUSTAINABLE COMMUNITY, WE HAVE A VERY DIVERSE HOUSING

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STOCK BUT A LOT OF IT DOES COME AT PRICE POINTS AND THAT IS REVENUE POSITIVE FOR THE COUNTY AND IN ADDITION, THERE'S THAT CLUSTER DENSITY THAT IS REALLY EFFICIENT IN TERMS OF COUNTY SERVICES AND INFRASTUCTURE. A LOT OF ON-SITE JOB CREATION AND ATTRACTING VISITORS TO BRING THOSE DOLLARS INTO THE COUNTY, SO IT'S THE KIND OF TRIFECTA OF WHAT YOU LOOK FOR IN TERMS OF HER -- HAVING THAT STRONG POSITIVE IMPACT, OBVIOUSLY JUST A COUPLE OF NUMBERS TO THROW AT YOU. DURING CONSTRUCTION, WE ESTIMATE CLOSE TO $100 MILLION IN FEES AND PERMITS OVER THE LIFE OF THE PROJECT, THAT IS A 30 YEAR DEVELOPMENT HORIZON. $20.5 MILLION IN TOTAL TAX WHICH INCLUDES OVER $7 MILLION DIRECTLY TO THE GENERAL FUND, THE OPERATING FUND FOR THE COUNTY. AND AGAIN, THE IMPLICATIONS IS THAT THIS WOULD BE COST RECOVERY FOR COUNTY SERVICES MOVING FORWARD. NEXT. AND HERE IS ANOTHER ILLUSTRATION OF THAT CLUSTER DEVELOPMENT AND MULTIPLE CHARACTER AREAS SURROUNDED BY THAT GREEN SPACE ON THE SITE.

NEXT. THANKS. >> NORMALLY WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THIS PROJECT, WE WOULD LIKE TO SHOW THE PLANS AND A PRETTY PICTURE, AND THEY ARE HERE SCATTERED THROUGHOUT IN THE BACKGROUND. BUT, WE ARE AT THE POINT NOW WHERE WE HOPE WE HAVE DONE A GOOD JOB AND I'VE HEARD SOME OF YOU SAY YOU HAVE WATCHED THE PLANNING COMMISSION HEARING THE OTHER NIGHT, SO ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT REALLY STUCK WITH US THAT WAS ASKED DURING THAT MEETING LAST WEEK WAS, HOW DO WE KNOW THAT WE ARE GOING TO GET THE GREAT STUFF YOU GUYS ARE SHOWING IN THE PLANS AND RENDERINGS? SO, WE WANTED TO FOCUS MORE ON THAT.

SO, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE ARE DOING IS, OUR PUD IS ACTUALLY WRITTEN AS A FORM-BASED CODE, AND THAT IS REGULATIONS THAT FOCUS ON THE FORM AND THE CHARACTER OF THE INTENDED OUTCOME. IT'S NOT SOME SORT OF VAGUE, LOOSE THINGS, YOU CAN DO THIS AND DO THAT, AND MAYBE DO THESE OTHER THINGS, BUT YOU CAN DO SOMETHING ELSE IF YOU WANT. IT IS VERY, VERY SPECIFIC, IT HAS ENFORCEABLE ARCHITECTURE STANDARDS, STANDARDS FOR THOROUGHFARES AND CIVIC SPACES AND BUILDING REQUIREMENTS THAT A VARIETY OF HOUSING TYPES WOULD SHOW UP IN THAT DOCUMENT. WE HAVE DETAILED DIAGRAMS, NOT JUST A BUNCH OF TEXT, THESE ARE SOME IMAGES FROM IT HERE. AND IT REQUIRES NOT JUST SUGGESTING, BUT REQUIRING THAT WE COMBAT URBAN SPRAWL AND HAVE A CONNECTED AND WALKABLE COMMUNITY WITH ALL THE THINGS THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT. YOU CAN'T DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE'VE TOLD YOU AND WHAT WE'VE SHOWN YOU UNLESS IT COMES BACK THROUGH ANSWERS WE CHANGED OUR MINDS, WILL YOU PLEASE LET US DO SOMETHING ELSE? AND THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS AGAIN.

NEXT. SO, THESE ARE OUR BINDING DOCUMENTS, SO THE COMP PLAN AMENDMENT DOCUMENT, THE PUD DOCUMENT AND THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, AND I WISH WHEN WE TOOK THIS PICTURE YOU COULD GET A SENSE OF THE SCALE. BUT THESE RBV DOCUMENTS, ESPECIALLY IN THE MIDDLE, WHICH HAS THE VERY DETAILED STANDARDS, NOT GUIDELINES THAT WE WILL BE BOUND BY. BEYOND THAT, OBVIOUSLY THE COUNTY HAS THE ABILITY TO REGULATE A CERTAIN NUMBER OF THINGS. SO WE WILL HOPEFULLY INCLUDE AS MANY OF THEM AS THEY ARE WILLING TO HAVE STAFF TO ADMINISTER, BUT BEYOND THAT, WE WILL TAKE THE STANDARDS THAT THEY MIGHT SAY WE DON'T WANT TO REGULATE THAT LEVEL OF DETAIL AND THOSE WILL GO IN THE COVENANTS AND RESTRICTIONS THAT WILL BE A PART OF ANY CONTRACT FOR SALE WITHIN THE PROJECT, THAT THE BUYER HAS TO FOLLOW AS WELL. SO WE WILL HAVE MORE STRICT STANDARDS THAN YOU EVEN HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU. NEXT. AND HERE IS SOME SAMPLE PAGES, AGAIN, YOU CAN FLIP THROUGH THESE, VERY DETAILED, WE WERE SO BOLD AS TO SAY THAT THIS IS PROBABLY MORE DETAIL THAN HAS EVER BEEN SUBMITTED IN THE HISTORY OF COUNTY FOR ANY DEVELOPMENT OF ANY SIZE. AND THAT IS THE WAY WE WANT IT. NEXT. SO, WE WILL TALK ABOUT SOME OF OUR COMMITMENTS AS WELL BEYOND JUST WHAT WE WILL DO.

>> SO, OBVIOUSLY THIS HAD ALREADY BEEN GONE OVER, BUT THESE ARE GOING TO BE FINDINGS, THINGS WE ARE WILLING TO BIND OURSELVES TO IN THIS PROPERTY. IN PERPETUITY. SO, MINIMUM 50%

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OF THE SITE DEDICATED TO PUBLIC OPEN SPACE, 320 ACRES MINIMUM OF PUBLIC WRECK PLANT, 22 ACRES OF ACTIVE RECREATION, 160 ACRES OF CIVIC AREAS, PARKS AND 160 ACRES OF ADDITIONAL PUBLIC RECREATIONAL LAND. NEXT. WE HAVE AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL SITE DEDICATION, FIRE RESCUE SITE DONATION, UTILITY SITE THAT WE PROMISED TO DONATE CCA AND WE DO HAVE WATER AND WASTEWATER SERVICE AVAILABILITY, WE HAVE CAPACITY TO SERVICE THROUGH OUR FIRST TWO PHASES AT LEAST, AND THEN WE ARE GOING TO BE WORKING ON AN AGREEMENT ON HOW TO SERVE THE REMAINDER OF THE PROPERTY.

SO, ONE OF THE THINGS, IT'S NOT JUST WE ARE GOING TO DO COMMERCIAL , ONE OF THE COMMENTS IN ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IS GOING TO BE INCLUDED IN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT IS THE PHASING CHART. IT'S GOING TO BE TYING US TO HAVING TWO -- COMPLETING THE COMMERCIAL SPACE BEFORE WE MOVE ONTO THE NEXT PHASE OF RESIDENTIAL. SO IT'S NOT JUST GOING TO BE SOME BAIT AND SWITCH WHERE WE GO ON TO RESIDENTIAL AND MAYBE 20 YEARS LATER THROW-IN COMMERCIAL. WE WANTED TO BE A COMPLETE COMMUNITY. SO OBVIOUSLY THE WETLAND BUFFER , THE FLEX SPACE, THE LIMITS ON NORTHERN ACCESS POINT AND OBVIOUSLY THERE IS HISTORIC BELLAMY ROAD THAT RUNS THROUGH THE SITE AND POTENTIALLY A HISTORICAL AND CULTURAL RESOURCE STUDY FOR EACH PHASE. NEXT. THAT IS IT FOR US.

>> GOOD JOB. >> 35, I WAS COUNTING.

>> MISSED IT BY THAT MUCH. >> I HAVE A COUPLE CARDS FROM THE PUBLIC HEARING, MONICA ROSS? MONICA ROSS, I AM ONE OF THE EIGHT HOUSES LOCATED IN THE LITTLE CORNER ON THE SOUTH END, CURRENTLY WE HAVE THE FPNL SOLAR FARM TO THE NORTH, I MOVED BACK TO CLAY COUNTY FOR THE LIFE LIVING IN THE COUNTRY AND OBVIOUSLY IT IS SLOWLY CHANGING NOW. THE PLAN THAT THEY HAVE, I THINK IT IS A VERY GOOD EFFORT AND THE THING THAT I SAID IN THE PLANNING MEETING WAS, I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE WILDLIFE CORRIDORS ARE SOMETHING THAT ARE GOING TO BE ASSURED, NOT SOMETHING THAT WILL JUST KEEP DEVELOPING FURHER DOWN. THE OTHER THING IS THAT THE ROAD AND THE PATHWAYS TALKING ABOUT HIKING IS GOING TO GO DIRECTLY ON THE CORNER OF MY PROPERTY. I'M GOING TO HAVE MORE THAN HALF OF MY PROPERTY UP ON THIS NEW DEVELOPMENT, SO IT IS QUITE A BIG IMPACT FROM WHAT I WOULD HAVE PURCHASED THE PROPERTY FOR ORIGINALLY. SO, ONE OF THE THINGS WE ARE TALKING ABOUT IS THERE IS NOT A ROAD THAT GOES THROUGH THE BACK AND THAT FURTHER PRESERVES THAT LAND AS A WILDLIFE CORRIDOR. MAY BE MOVING THE TRAIL BACK A LITTLE BIT, JUST SOME SUGGESTIONS, BUT I KNOW THIS IS A POINT THAT WE WERE JUST REALLY TALKING ABOUT , THE REZONING OF IT, BUT WHEN YOU GET INTO THE DETAILS OF SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE CAN BE FURTHER EVOLVED, IT DID TAKE SOME TIME, WE DIDN'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE INITIAL PLAN, BUT THEY DID TAKE THE TIME AND ACTUALLY PROVIDED SOME OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO GIVE INPUT AND WE ARE JUST STILL PROCESSING SOME OF THIS, WE WOULD LIKE TO STILL BE INVOLVED IN THE FURTHER ASPECT OF THINGS, SO WE APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. MY OTHER BIG CONCERN IS FLOODING. I DO HAVE THE CORNER OF MY PROPERTY ON THE OTHER SIDE, THIS IS WHERE THERE IS A LOW-LYING AREA AND WHERE THE CREEK STARTS. SO WHEN WE GET A LOT OF RAIN IT COMES THROUGH MY PROPERTY TO THAT CREEK AND IT FLOWS UNDER MY DRIVEWAY. ANY LAND CHANGE IS DEFINITELY GOING TO BE AFFECTING THE PROPERTY AS FAR AS A LOAN PLANE -- LOW PLAYING AREA. THANK YOU.

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>> THANK YOU. KAREN KUHN? >> I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME, MY NAME IS KAREN KUHN, I LIVE AT 106 LENA ROAD. ALREADY LIKE WE STATED, THERE IS A SOLAR FIELD THAT HAS TAKEN OF 800 ACRES OF PROPERTY AND THIS IS DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE. I CAN SEE INTO THE SOLAR FIELD FROM MY KITCHEN WINDOW NOW. I KNOW THAT CLAY COUNTY NEEDS MORE HOUSING AND DEVELOPMENT. I KNOW THAT NO MATTER WHAT I SAY, THIS WILL PROBABLY BE PROVEN. THE PLAN IS VERY GOOD. THEY HAVE TAKEN THE TIME TO SIT DOWN WITH US. OUR CONCERN IS, MY PROPERTY HAS A CREEK THAT FLOWS DIRECTLY THROUGH IT. IT IS SEGMENTED IN TWO PIECES, IN MY BACKFIELD, MY BACKFIELD WILL BE UP AGAINST THIS PROPERTY. CURRENTLY, IF WE GET A DAY WHERE WE GET THREE INCHES OF RAIN, MY BACKFIELD HAS WATER ON IT FOR A WEEK. IF THEY DESIGNATE AND PUT A ROAD CLOSE TO OUR BRAK PROPERTIES -- BACK PROPERTIES, WHICH IS ADJACENT TO FIVE OTHER PROPERTIES IN THAT BACK AREA, IT IS NOT DESIGNATED AS A WETLAND, BUT THAT WATER PERMEATES DOWN TO THE LOWER PARTS, WHICH IS THE CREEK THAT FLOWS THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF MY YARD. NORMALLY IT MAY TAKE UP, ON A NORMAL, GOOD SEASON, AND THE WATER STAYS FLOWING, IT IS ABOUT 10 FEET WIDE. ON A TIME WHERE WE ARE HAVING A LOT OF WATER, I HAVE WATER OVER 30 FEET TO THE CREEK, WHICH FLUCTUATES, WE HAVE PLANTED AROUND THAT TO OBTAIN THIS WATER. BUT, IF MORE OF THIS AREA IS CLEAR, YOU DO NOT REALIZE HOW MUCH WATER A TREE WILL DRINK. SO, WE WOULD LIKE TO KEEP OUR WILDLIFE CORRIDOR BEHIND US TO MAINTAIN AND ABSORB THIS WATER, BECAUSE IT IS NOT JUST MY PROPERTY. THIS CREEK SEGMENTS THROUGH EIGHT DIFFERENT PROPERTIES. MONICA'S PROPERTY DRAINS INTO THIS CREEK. SO, IF THIS CREEK GETS FLOODED, IT'S GOING TO FLOOD ALL OF US AND AFFECT US. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

>> THANK YOU. ANY OTHER INDIVIDUALS THAT WANT TO SPEAK ON THIS ISSUE? SLIPPING THROUGH YOUR FINGERS, THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME HERE TONIGHT AND LET ME SPEAK. I HAVE GOT A LOT AND I KNOW THEY TOOK UP A LOT OF YOUR TIME, JODY WEBER, AS A LIFELONG RESIDENT HERE ON THE PROPERTY THAT I'M SPEAKING OF, WHICH WOULD BE ADJACENT TO THE NORTHERN SECTION OF WHAT THEY ARE DOING, I'M EVEN CLOSER THAN THEM TO THE CORRIDOR. I OWN A BUSINESS AS WELL, SO THIS IS TWOFOLD FOR ME. MY BACKYARD AND MY BUSINESS. MY BUSINESS IS AGRICULTURE. SO, WHEN YOU START TO PUT THIS IN, THE PLANS LOOK GREAT. THAT'S JUST AN OVERSIZED FIRE BED THAT THEY ARE GOING TO PUT IN. AND JUST LIKE YOU'VE SEEN THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMITTEE, WE TALKED ABOUT THAT. ONE OF THE COMMISSIONERS WAS CONCERNED ABOUT THAT. SO,

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WHEN YOU PUT IN SOMETHING LIKE THIS, ALWAYS REMEMBER THERE IS A GIVE-AND-TAKE. YOU CAN GIVE TO THEM BUT YOU WILL TAKE AWAY FROM ME. I MAY NOT HAVE AS MUCH MONEY INVESTED IN THIS AS THEY DO, BUT I DO HAVE MY LIFE INVESTED HERE. THEY DIDN'T GIVE THEIR ADDRESS WHERE THEY LIVE. NONE OF THEM, I DON'T BELIEVE LIVE HERE. I HAVE LIVED HERE MY WHOLE LIFE. SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, YOU TALK ABOUT MONEY AND LOOKING FOR MONEY, THERE'S NO MONEY TO PUT A FIRE DEPARTMENT IN, SO AT THE LAST MEETING, THEY SAID WE WANT THE COUNTY TO MOVE THE EXISTINGFIRE DEPARTMENT WHICH IS BEHIND MY BUSINESS, WHICH HELPS ME ON MY INSURANCE PAYMENT TO BE LOW, AND THEY WANT TO MOVE IT INTO THEIR DEVELOPMENT. THEY EVEN COME TO YOU GUYS AND ASKED TO HOLD OFF ON WHAT YOU ARE DOING TO IMPROVE THAT ONE TO PUT IT INTO THEIR DEVELOPMENT. THERE IS PEOPLE ALREADY THERE, THERE'S BUSINESSES ALREADY THERE THAT TAKE OR GET A DECREASE FOR HAVING IT THERE, SO THEY WANT TO MOVE IT INTO THEIR PLACE, TAKE IT AWAY FROM US. I ALSO HAVE A CONCERN, AND I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF YOU WERE HERE, THE PROPERTY THERE THEY TALK ABOUT IS NOT A HABITAT, THEY LEASE OR HAVE A LEAST SOME OF THAT PROPERTY OR PROPERTY THEY OWN TWO PEOPLE THAT HUNT IF IT'S NOT A HABITAT ALREADY, THEN WHY ARE THEY GETTING MONEY FROM PEOPLE THAT HUNT. IT IS A HABITAT NOW FOR WILDLIFE.

WHENEVER YOU START CLEARING THAT OFF, MY LAND AND FAMILY LAND THAT IS THERE THAT IS NOT CLEAR, ALL THAT WILDLIFE MOVES INTO US, CAUSING US PROBLEMS. THERE'S ISSUES THAT YOU NEED TO LOOK AT AND YOU DON'T NEED TO PASS THIS ON. YOU NEED TO BRING IT BACK AND YOU NEED TO REALLY HAVE A WORKSHOP ON IT. THANK

YOU. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ANY OTHER CARDS? I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND BRING IT BACK TO THE COUNCIL. I SAW ONE THING THAT I WANT TO REFRESH, THAT IS THE CCOA COMPONENT THAT WE HAVE A PLAN FOR SECTION ONE OR TWO, BUT NOT BEYOND THAT. WHAT IS THE PLAN, DOES ANYBODY KNOW? WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLAN?

>> YES, IN THE LETTER OF AVAILABILITY THAT CCOA PROVIDED, WHICH I DON'T KNOW IF WE -- YOU, IT IS IN THE COMP AMENDMENT, BUT BASICALLY SAYING THEY HAVE ENOUGH CAPACITY TO SERVICE FOR PHASES ONE AND TWO WHICH IS THE FIRST 10 YEARS, AT LEAST DEVELOPMENT. AND THEY WILL WORK WITH US TO CREATE A NEW PLANT WHICH IS THE PURPOSE OF US DONATING 100 ACRE SITE ON THE PROPERTY TO SERVE THE SOUTHERN PART OF IT AND ANY OTHER, THERE'S A LOT OF THE RAIL SPUR SOUTH OF US, THERE'S A LOT OF POTENTIAL USE THAT THIS COULD HELP SERVE THE CORRIDOR BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING CLOSE TO THAT.

>> THE COMMERCIAL SPACE, LEASED OR SOLD?

>> IT IS CONSTRUCTED BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE -- I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE BREAKDOWN IS GOING TO BE ON IF WE ARE GOING TO RETAIN THIS STUFF OR SELL IT TO USERS, SOME OF IT IS WORKSPACE AND MIXED-USE. BUT, IT'S THE COMMITMENT TO HAVE THAT COMMERCIAL SPACE AVAILABLE AND OPEN, AND JUST SO YOU KNOW, THAT COMMERCIAL NUMBER THAT WE HAVE IN THAT SQUARE FOOTAGE, IT WASN'T JUST A NUMBER THAT WE PULLED OUT OF THIN AIR, THAT WAS THE MARKET ANALYSIS, AND THAT CAN BE COMPLETELY RETAINED WITHIN THE PROPERTY. WE HAVE ENOUGH UNITS, THAT IS THE POINT OF DOING IT, THE RESIDENTIAL UNITS THAT ARE BUILT THERE ARE ENOUGH TO GENERATE AND KEEP THOSE COMMERCIAL BUSINESSES

GOING. >> QUESTIONS?

>> I THOUGHT IN YOUR PRESENTATION, YOU SAID THAT CCOA WAS NOT COMMITTAL AND THAT WAS A PROBLEM YOU ALL HAD AS FAR AS WHEN THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO GET IT OUT THERE.

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>> BUT THAT IS SORT OF WHAT HE IS DESCRIBING, THEY HAVE THE CAPACITY NOW FOR A CERTAIN PORTION BUT BEYOND THAT, THEY ARE RELYING OF COURSE ON THE DEVELOPER TO CREATE AND PROVIDE LAND TO FUND THE COST OF CREATING A NEW PLAN, THAT KIND

OF THING. >> IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT WE HAD NO CLUE WHEN THEY WERE GOING TO GO OUT THERE, I THOUGHT WE TALKED ABOUT THAT YESTERDAY.

>> WELL, AS FAR AS AVAILABILITY OF SERVICE FOR THAT FIRST PHASE, I BELIEVE THE TIMELINE THEY GAVE WAS 2025, SO THAT WOULD BE THE EARLIEST START DATE FOR BREAKING GROUND IF YOU WANTED A HOUSE WITH WATER AND SEWER.

>> OKAY, AND WHEN ARE YOU ALL EXPECTING, BECAUSE FROM OUR DISCUSSION A YEAR AGO, THIS IS QUITE NEW TO ME, I THOUGHT YOU SAID IT WAS GOING TO BE WAY INTO THE FUTURE. SO, WHEN ARE YOU THINKING? IF WE WERE TO APPROVE IT TONIGHT.

>> WELL, I GUESS IF THE MARKET WAS ASKING FOR IT AND WE COULD FIND THE RIGHT COMMERCIAL USERS TO HELP KICKSTART CREATE THAT , IT COULD BE 2025, BUT WE DON'T HAVE A PLANNED START DATE. IT'S GOING TO BE MARKET DRIVEN. WE THINK IT IS A GREAT THING FOR THE COUNTY, THAT WE COULD INFLUENCE DEVELOPMENT THAT IS HAPPENING AROUND, THERE'S A LOT OF OTHER UNITS, A LOT OF THOSE PEOPLE DON'T REALLY HAVE START DATES EITHER. BUT, WE DON'T

HAVE A SET DATE RIGHT NOW. >> SO, IF YOU DON'T KNOW, WHY

WOULD YOU WANT IT RIGHT NOW? >> THERE IS A FIRST-COME FIRST-SERVED POLICY WITH SCHOOLS, FIRE, UTILITIES, EVERYTHING LIKE THAT. AND ALSO, BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO TAKE US TIME TO GET THE CORRECT USERS, THE CORRECT PARTNERS HERE, THAT KIND OF BELIEVE IN THE VISION, WE WANTED TO ACTUALLY GET IT, IT IS HARD TO GO, I TRY TO HIRE SECONDARY EDUCATION CAMPUS USERS AND PEOPLE LIKE THAT AND THEY ARE LIKE, WELL, GREAT, WHAT IS IT RIGHT NOW? IT IS TIMBERLAND, YOU CAN'T REALLY GET SOMEBODY TO BUY INTO SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T EXIST.

SO THAT IS REALLY OTHER THING I KNOW, WE HAVE A LENGTHY PROCESS WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH, SO WHILE IT MIGHT BE IDEAL BECAUSE WE ARE ALL EAGER AND A LOT OF POSITIVE FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMUNITY IF WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THIS AND POTENTIAL PARTNERS AND END-USERS, WE'VE GOT TO GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS.

SO, 2025 WOULD BE AMAZING FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, BUT AGAIN, BECAUSE THIS ISN'T THE CONVENTIONAL DEVELOPMENT YOU ARE USED TO SEEING, WHERE IT'S LIKE WE'VE GOT TO GO, WE HAVE TO PUMP OUT THESE UNITS, WE HAVE TO DO IT RIGHT BUT TO DO IT RIGHT WE HAVE TO NOT ONLY GO THROUGH THE APPROVAL PROCESS, BUT ONCE WE GET THE PROJECT APPROVED, THEN WE WILL GO THROUGH BUILDER TRAINING OR TRAINING BUILDERS HOW TO BUILD ARCHITECTURE LIKE YOU SEE IN THE PICTURES. WE HAVE TO CREATE THE BUILDERS GUILD TO GET OUR APPROVED ARCHITECTS, THERE'S SO MANY DIFFERENT STEPS AS WE GO. BUT WE ARE NOT IN A HURRY LIKE

YOU WOULD NORMALLY SEE. >> SO, I THOUGHT WHEN WE FIRST SPOKE, YOU TALKED ABOUT A SCHOOL COMPLEX, BUT NOW IT JUST SAYS ELEMENTARY SCHOOL. IS THAT OFF THE TABLE NOW?

>> WE TRIED TO TRIM DOWN THE TIMING WHICH OBVIOUSLY IT IS STILL WELL OVER, BUT WE TRY TO TRIM DOWN THE TIMING SO MUCH THAT WE TOOK OUT BASICALLY ANY OF THE PLANS, BUT ON THE SOUTHEAST CORNER THERE'S THAT EDUCATION HUB, EDUCATION CAMPUS

WHICH IS WHAT WE ENVISIONED. >> YOU TYPED ELEMENTARY ONLY AND THEN FIRE RESCUE AFTER THAT SO I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING AFTER

-- OKAY. >> THAT IS ADDRESSED IN THE

PUD. >> SO, IN OUR DISCUSSIONS WITH THE SCHOOL BOARD , THERE'S ALREADY A SCHOOL SITE DEDICATED IN GOVERNORS PARK AND WHAT WE SAID WAS, LOOK, WE WANT NOT JUST ONE SCHOOL BUT MULTIPLE SCHOOLS IN OUR SITE AND ANYBODY CAN LITERALLY JUST WALK TO SCHOOL OR WHATEVER, THAT IS GREAT, BUT IF THE COUNTY HAS ITS PLANS AND WANTS TO DO WHAT HE NEEDS TO DO, THAT IS A PART OF THE FIRST-COME FIRST-SERVED GOVERNORS PARK, WE ARE IN THE QUEUE IF YOU WILL. SO, WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO IS MAKE SURE WE HAVE THOSE MINIMAL

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COMMITMENTS SO WE ARE TAKING CARE OF BUSINESS AND NOT JUST SAYING PLEASE, WE WANT TO DO ALL OF THIS, JUST TAKE CARE OF US. SO WE ARE HOPING TO HAVE A MULTITUDE OF DIFFERENT ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, MIDDLE SCHOOL MAYBE, EVEN HIGH SCHOOL, AND WE HAVE ALSO OUR HIGHER EDUCATION CAMPUS THAT IS NOT AS INTEGRATED INTO THE WALKABLE PARTS BUT STILL PART OF WHAT WE

ARE DOING AS WELL. >> AND AS MYTH -- MS. WEBER SAID, THIS WOULD BE A NEW FIRE STATION?

>> YES, IN OUR DISCUSSIONS WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, WE SAID WE WOULD LOVE TO HAVE A FIRE STATION IN THE COMMUNITY BECAUSE IT IS A CIVIC USE, THEY CAN DO A CHILI COOKOFF AND LET THE KIDS LOOK AT THE FIRE TRUCKS, SO WE SAID WHAT ARE THE ODDS OF THAT? THEY SAID WE HAVE A FIRE STATION AT 17 WITH THE ENTRANCE ALREADY, AND I SAID WELL, HOW IS IT?

>> AND THEY SAID WE ARE GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS RIGHT NOW LOOKING TO EXPAND OR DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT OR BETTER WITH IT. I SAID RATHER THAN PUTTING MONEY INTO IT, WHY DON'T YOU JUST MOVE IT INTO THE COMMUNITY AND PUT A PROPER FIRE STATION CLOSE TO WHERE YOU ALREADY ARE. SO WE SAID WOULD YOU CONSIDER THAT? I BELIEVE THAT IS WHAT SHE IS REFERRING TO, WE DESCRIBE THAT IN THE PLANNING COMMISSION FROM THE

OTHER NIGHT. >> SO ABOUT THAT SPECIFIC THING, WE BOUGHT PROPERTY, WE BOUGHT THE CHURCH PROPERTY ALONGSIDE THAT FIRE STATION FOR EXPANSION, SO ARE YOU PAYING THESE TAXPAYERS BACK FROM WHAT WE SPENT? IT IS A COMPLICATED PROCESS, BUT THESE ARE THE FIVE PEOPLE WHO MAKE THOSE DECISIONS WITH ALL DUE RESPECT TO THE CHIEFS, THEY ARE VERY GOOD AT WHAT THEY DO, BUT ULTIMATELY, PUBLIC SAFELY RELIES ON THE FIVE OF US AND WE SPENT TAXPAYER MONEY LAST YEAR AND WE WERE UNDER THE IMPRESSION, OR AT LEAST I WAS, THAT WE WERE WELL ON THE WAY TO BUILDING OUR FIRST FIRE STATION. SO WHAT YOU ARE SAYING TONIGHT IS NEWS TO US. AND I'M NOT INTERESTED IN MOVING FIRE STATIONS, I HAVE TALKED TO THE FIREMEN, THEY NEED FIRE STATIONS, WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH.

>> I THINK IT WAS MAYBE TAKEN A LITTLE TOO FAR. BASICALLY, THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT IS A WORKING PROGRESS THAT YOU GUYS HAVE INPUT ON, THAT WE HAVE TO GET THROUGH THIS STAGE TO BRING THE PLAYERS IN AND GET A FINALIZED DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. OUR THINKING BEHIND THAT AND OUR CONVERSATIONS WITH THE FIRE, WITH COUNTY EMERGENCY HAS BEEN, WE WOULD LOVE TO HAVE SOMETHING INTEGRATED INTO THIS COMMUNITY. I THINK A FIRE STATION IS A PART OF A COMPLETE COMMUNITY. IF THAT IS US MOVING IT OR WE ARE DEDICATING LAND TO IT, ANYWAYS, I DON'T THINK THERE'S EVER A NEED LIKE YOU SAID FOR NOT MORE FIRE STATIONS HAVING A BETTER RESPONSE TIME. I THINK MAYBE WE GOT HUNG UP A

LITTLE BIT. >> WHY DON'T YOU BUILD ANOTHER

ONE? >> THAT IS WHAT WE ARE DEDICATING THE LAND TWO. AND OBVIOUSLY THERE IS IMPACT FEES THAT WE HAVE TO PAY TOWARDS THAT.

>> IT WASN'T SUPPOSED TO BE A SURPRISE, IT WAS JUST THE

DISCUSSION WE HAD. >> AND WE ONLY TAKE UP SO MUCH OF YOUR TIME. WE MET WITH THEM A YEAR AGO AND TALKED ABOUT THAT, BUT WE DON'T EVEN KNOW IF THIS IS GOING TO GET APPROVED SO THIS IS JUST SOMETHING WE ARE EXCITED ABOUT, WHAT ARE YOUR NEEDS? AND AT THE MOMENT, THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT, I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF THAT HAD EVEN BEEN APPROVED YET OR WHAT.

SO CERTAINLY, WE WERE INTERESTED.

>> WE UNDERSTAND THIS IS VERY SENSITIVE.

>> TOTALLY. BUT WE ARE EXCITED TO HAVE MOMENTS LIKE THIS WHERE WE CAN TALK ABOUT THESE THINGS BECAUSE WE FELT LIMITED IN OUR ABILITY TO TALK THROUGH THESE THINGS, NOT WANTING TO TAKE UP TIME, WE HAVE REACHED OUT TO DIFFERENT ORGANIZATIONS . AND THERE IS A TIME LIMIT, WHICH MAKES SENSE, BUT WE WANT TO CONTINUE TO DO WORKSHOPS WITH YOU GUYS AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WAS RECOMMENDED AT THE COMMISSION MEETING AND I THINK THAT MAKES MODEST SENSE BECAUSE THE DEVELOPED AGREEMENT IS NOT FINALIZED. WE CONTINUE TO WORK WITH YOU GUYS TO MAKE IT WORK

FOR EVERYONE. >> MAYBE HE CAN CLARIFY --

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>> WHEN WE MET WITH THE DEVELOPER , THEY SAID IT WAS VERY EARLY ON, WE WERE IN THE EARLY STAGES OF GETTING PLANS TOGETHER IN 24, IT WAS DISCUSSED ABOUT MOVING IT INTO THE COMMUNITY AND MUCH AS YOU WOULD EXPECT, WAITING ON MOVING FIRE STATIONS BACK INTO THE COMMUNITY, THAT SAID, BETWEEN STATION 24 AND WHAT IS GOING TO BE ALL THE WAY INTO THE SPRING BANK CORRIDOR, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS, IT DOES CALL FOR ANOTHER STATION IN THAT AREA AS A PART OF THE EXPANSION PLANS. SO, WHAT WE WOULD DO IS WORK WITH THEM TO GET THAT STATION AS CLOSE TO THAT AREA AS WE CAN GET IN THE MAIN CORRIDOR THAT COULD SERVE AS AN OVERLAP STATION MUCH LIKE THE SARATOGA SILVER SPRINGS STATION. SO IT'S DEFINITELY AN ADDITIONAL STATION, AND WE KNEW THAT WHEN WE WERE BUILDING STATION 24, IT DID NOT CHANGE OUR PLANS FOR THAT WHATSOEVER.

WELL, THIS IS TRANSMITTAL TO THE STATE, JUST TO GET IT ON THE BOOKS AND ONCE AGAIN, THESE ARE ALL PLANS AND SCHOOLS, FIRE STATIONS, TIMING IS ALSO CRITICAL, TOO. AND THAT SOMETIMES CAN BE A BARRIER TO YOUR DESIRES, SO WE HAVE TO SEE HOW THAT WORKS OUT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? IF NOT, MAKE A

MOTION? >> I HAVE SOME COMMENTS. I LOVE IT, AND IT'S BEAUTIFUL, I LOVE THE CONCEPT. I'M IN SHOC PHASE IN MY DISTRICT AND THIS IS A PART OF MY DISTRICT BECAUSE OF THE THINGS THAT WERE PLANNED YEARS AGO. AND AGAIN, THEY MADE THE DECISIONS, I'M SURE THEY MEANT WELL BUT, IT HAS COME FULL FORCE AT US IN THE PAST THREE YEARS. IMPACT FEE CREDITS, WE'VE HAD DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THAT. ALL OF A SUDDEN WE'VE HAD THE CREDITS COME BACK TO US FROM YEARS AGO FROM OTHER DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE COUNTY, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THAT. IT JUST SEEMS EARLY TO ME AND I THOUGHT THAT'S WHAT YOU SAID TO ME WHENEVER WE TALKED ABOUT IT. I DIDN'T KNOW IT WAS GOING TO COME THIS QUICK. SO I'M CONCERNED ABOUT IT, THE UTILITY PART OF THAT BUT AGAIN, I DO LOVE THE WHOLE CONCEPT. I REALLY DO. I JUST HAVE SOME CONCERNS AS FAR AS IT

COMING AT THIS TIME. >> I UNDERSTAND THAT. BUT, LIKE I SAID, IT VERY MUCH HAS BEEN A FIRST-COME FIRST-SERVED TYPE OF THING, WHAT IF NONE OF THOSE OTHER PLACES, I KNOW THERE HAS BEEN A FLURRY OF DEVELOPMENT ACTIVITY BUT IT WASN'T FOR A LONG TIME, AND NOT TO THINK THAT WE CAN CHANGE ANYTHIN OR DO ANYTHING, IT WOULD BE NICE TO SHOW THAT YOU CAN DO DEVELOP IT A LITTLE BIT IF ANY, YOU CAN SET ASIDE LAND, YOU CAN TRY AND PRESERVE THINGS, YOU CAN TRY AND CREATE COMPLETE COMMUNITIES, NOT JUST ROOFTOPS OUT THE PRAYER THAT IS THE THINKING BEHIND IT, OBVIOUSLY WE ARE NOT GOING TO BUILD HOUSES WITHOUT UTILITIES AND THERE'S LIMITING FACTORS, THERE'S TIMING FACTORS, MARKET FACTORS ON IT. BUT IN ORDER TO BE POSITIONED SO THAT WE CAN MOVE THIS ALONG AND GET STARTED ON HOUSE NUMBER ONE BE IT FIVE YEARS FROM NOW OR THREE YEARS FROM NOW, WHATEVER IT IS, WE HAVE TO GET THROUGH THIS PROCESS AND WE WANT TO HAVE THE STUFF TIED IN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND THE PUD SO THAT THINGS ARE HELD TO THAT HIGHER STANDARD AND IT'S IN YOUR HANDS, NOT JUST OURS.

AND MAYBE WE CAN LOOK FOR A MOTION. CERTAINLY IT IS LAUDABLE IN TERMS OF WHAT THEY'VE BEEN ABLE TO PUT TOGETHER AND THE KIND OF RECOMMENDATIONS AND SUGGESTIONS

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BY THE COMMUNITY, THEY HAVE MET WITH THEM TWO OR THREE TIMES AND THIS GOES BACK A LONG TIME AND IT WAS ON PAPER AS A DISCUSSION, LOOK, WE WANT TO PUT SOMETHING TOGETHER THAT IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAT WE THINK THE COMMUNITY WOULD NEED, AND WILL SUPPORT. AND I THINK MOST PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THAT THE CONCEPT IS GOOD, THE TRAILS, I LIKE THE IDEA OF HANDLING THE WETLANDS THE WAY THEY DID IN THE DRAINAGE, AND THE WATER MOVEMENT THAT IT'LL CAUSE AND HOPEFULLY IT'LL CURE SOME OF THOSE ISSUES THAT ARE IN AND AROUND PORTIONS OF YOUR PROPERTY. LIKE THE OPEN SPACE AND THE COMMITMENT TO DOING SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. I DO HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THE COMMERCIAL ASPECT, GOVERNORS PARK ALSO CAME IN WITH HEAVY THOUGHT PROCESS, PRODUCING THE COMMERCIAL PORTION FIRST AND SO MANY THOUSANDS HOMES WILL INCREASE THE COMMERCIAL OR WHATEVER, THEN THAT CAME IN AND THEY DROPPED THE COMMERCIAL ALTOGETHER SO WE SAID WE WOULD JUST ADD AN EXTRA THOUSAND HOMES AND MOVING ON. I THINK THE REALITY OF LOOKING FOR COMMERCIAL APPLICATIONS AND FINDING PEOPLE TO SUPPORT THOSE AND PUT THOSE IN THE BUILDINGS, THAT WOULD BE A CHALLENGE. IT LOOKS LIKE UTILITIES ARE A LITTLE BIT OF A CHALLENGE AS WE MOVE FORWARD. I DO LIKE THE IDEA THAT YOU GUYS ARE OPEN TO DISCUSSION AND CERTAINLY SOME OF THE FOLKS THAT HAVE HAD PROBLEMS, I HAVE NO QUALMS TELLING THEM YOU WILL BE IN TOUCH WITH THEM AND TALK TO THEM AS WE MOVE THROUGH THIS PROCESS. SO I WILL SUPPORT GETTING THE TRANSMITTAL BECAUSE I THINK THEY DESERVE THAT MUCH, AND LET'S LOOK AT IT AGAIN BEFORE ANYBODY GOES AND DOES ANYTHING, SOME OF THOSE QUESTIONS AND SOME OF THOSE CONCERNS FROM PEOPLE IN THE AUDIENCE AND YOUR NEIGHBORS, WE WILL RE-EXAMINE IT. SO I MADE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE

RECOMMENDATION OF THE STAFF. >> OKAY, WE HAVE A MOTION TO

FORWARD THIS TO STATE. >> I WILL SECOND AND BEFORE YOU GET TOO COMFORTABLE, I KNOW, LONG NIGHT GUYS. LONG NIGHT.

THE QUESTION THAT WAS BURNING ON MY MIND WHEN YOU ASKED, OR WHEN WE ALL SAT TOGETHER AND DISCUSSED THIS WAS WHERE HAS THIS BEEN DONE BEFORE? AND I HEARD YOU GUYS TALK ABOUT THIS BEING A NATIONAL MODEL. CAN YOU SHARE A LITTLE BIT WITH EVERYONE ELSE WHAT YOU SHARED WITH ME?

>> YOU KNOW, THIS WAS THE FIRST TIME THAT MY FAMILY HAS EVER DONE ANYTHING LIKE THIS, WITH PINE TREES, AND KEPT GETTING BADGERED BY NATIONAL BUILDERS TO TRY TO BUY THIS PIECE. WE HAVE BEEN HERE IN FLORIDA FOR A LONG TIME, MY FAMILY, GROWING UP AND SEEING WHAT HAS HAPPENED, WE WOULD LIKE TO DO SOMETHING BETTER. SO WE WENT AND FOUND SOME PEOPLE THAT HAVE DONE IT BETTER BEFORE AND WE SAID OKAY, HOW CAN WE DO THAT REALISTICALLY AND WE LOOKED AT SOME PLACES OUTSIDE OF CHARLESTON, WE LOOKED AT PLACES IN SOUTH CAROLINA THAT HAVE DONE THINGS AND WE LOOKED AT A PLACE OUT IN THE STICKS, OUTSIDE OF ATLANTA, AND DID A FANTASTIC JOB OF INCORPORATING THE NATIONAL BEAUTY AND REALLY INCORPORATING THE REAL FARMING ASPECT OF IT. THE HOPE IS TO HAVE REAL AGRICULTURE ON ALL SCALES BUT, THE COMMUNITY FUNDED AGRICULTURAL USER, IT IS A LARGE-SCALE USER AND YOU CAN BASICALLY PAY YOUR HOA FEES AND IT IS TO THE FARM, AND YOU PICK UP YOUR BAG OF PRODUCE FROM THE LOCAL STORE. SO, THERE HAS BEEN EXAMPLES OF PLACES WHERE THEY HAVE DONE THIS SEASIDE, THAT OBVIOUSLY HAVE SOME OTHER ATTRACTIONS, THINGS THAT BRING IT TO IT. BUT WE TRY TO TAKE ALL OF THOSE EXAMPLES AND TRY TO CREATE SOMETHING THAT FITS IN THE RURAL CHARACTER OF CLAY COUNTY THAT FITS SOME OF THE COUNTIES NEEDS AND TRIED TO LEARN FROM SOME OF THEIR MISTAKES AND TAKE SOME OF THEIR SUCCESSES.

>> ANY OTHER COMMENTS? >> I WILL JUST SAY THAT I DO THINK IT IS A UNIQUE PERSPECTIVE, IT HAS BEEN NO SECRET THAT I'M AN ADVOCATE FOR PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHTS, YOU AND YOUR FAMILY HAVE OWNED THIS FOR A LONG TIME AND YOU HAVE A RIGHT FOR IT TO BE, I'VE BEEN COINED TO SAY A FARMERS LAND

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IS HIS 401(K). AND I GET THAT, AND I THINK MOST RESIDENTS DO, I APPRECIATE YOU BEING RESPECTFUL, I THINK THERE ARE CONCERNS, THE FARM THAT IS BESIDE YOU, THE FLOODING ARE REAL ISSUES, YOU KNOW YOU HAVE LOW LAND DOWN THERE, SO I HOPE YOU WILL CONTINUE TO ADDRESS THOSE THINGS. CERTAINLY, I DON'T WANT TO SEE HER LOSE HER FARM EITHER, THAT IS HER LEGACY THAT SHE GETS TO DECIDE HOW TO LEAD. SO I EXPECT THAT TO BE WORKED THROUGH, I CAN SUPPORT IT. I JUST WANT TO BE SURE THAT WE ARE AS CAREFUL AS WE ARE. THEY TURNED AROUND AND SOLD IT ON GOVERNORS PARK. WHILE WE HAVE THE PROTECTION OF STAFF TO MAKE SURE THAT WHAT THEY BROUGHT IS WHAT IS BUILT, THAT IS A RISK, I KNOW YOU HAVE COMMITTED TO ME PERSONALLY, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SELL YOU LAND ESPECIALLY BECAUSE YOU HAVE LAND IN MY DISTRICT, TOO. THAT WE WOULD RATHER KEEP US TREES. I HOPE YOU STAY IN YOUR TRADITIONAL BUSINESS AS WELL, BECAUSE WE NEED TREES IN CLAY COUNTY.

>> AND I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, WE ALL KNOW IF WE WERE A FAMILY BUSINESS, IF MY DAD AND I GOT INTO A CAR WRECK TOMORROW, MY WIFE WOULDN'T WANT TO DEAL WITH THIS. THAT IS THE POINT OF US HAVING THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND THESE THINGS IN PLACE, IT'S NOT JUST YOU KNOW, WE HAVE SEEN HOW SOME OF THESE HAVE GROWN IN THE PAST, IT HAS BEEN A LONG TIME AND IT'S GOING TO BE A LONG TIME, THE HOPE IS THAT THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, THE PUD WILL LAST FOREVER AND STAY THERE TO KEEP THE CHARACTER. AND I WILL SAY, THERE HAVE BEEN OTHER SUBMITTALS LIKE THIS BEFORE, BUT I FEEL CONFIDENT SAYING THERE HASN'T BEEN ANYTHING WITH THIS LEVEL OF DETAIL THAT WE WILL TRY TO KEEP THE CHARACTER

OF IT. >> THIS IS A UNIQUE PROJECT , IT'S GOING TO BE ONE-OF-A-KIND IN CLAY COUNTY, IT IS GOING TO BE A NATIONAL MODEL AND GIVEN YOUR COMMENT ABOUT BIG BUILDERS TAPPING ON YOUR SHOULDER FOR THE LAST 20 YEARS IS REAL. BUT, I THINK THEY HAVE SPENT A LOT OF TIME, MONEY AND EFFORT TO GET TO THIS POINT, I REMEMBER OUR CONSTITUENTS GIVING INPUT.

SO THEY ARE COMMITTED, I FEEL VERY COMFORTABLE WITH A FAMILY BUSINESS THAT REALLY WANTS TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT FOR CLAY COUNTY AND GIVEN THE ALTERNATIVE WHICH COULD BE A BIG BUILDER AND ATTRACT HOMES, I THINK WE OUGHT TO GRASP THIS.

AND ONCE AGAIN, WE ONLY KNOW WHAT WE KNOW TODAY AND THIS IS WHAT I KNOW TODAY, I'M FULLY TO MOVE IT AS TIME PERMITS. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? DO I HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND? ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. IT PASSES, 4-1. NUMBER 36, FINAL PUBLIC

[36. Final Public Hearing to consider ZON-0923-00023 (District 4, Comm. Condon) (L. Hanson)]

HEARING , REZONING OF PARCEL B TO SPECIAL BUSINESS DISTRICT.

>> THANK YOU MR. CHAIR, THE APPLICANT IS ANTHONY, THE AGENT IS SHAYNA, THE REQUEST IS TO CHANGE THE ZONING OF 1.69 ACRES PARCEL FROM BA1 TO BB3 . THE HEARING WAS LAST TUESDAY, THE BEST -- DECEMBE 5TH AT 5:00, THE PARCEL WAS DESIGNATED COMMERCIAL ON THE FUTURE OF LAND USE MAP, THE LOCATION ON COUNTY ROAD 218 AT APPROXIMATELY TWO MILES WEST OF

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BLAINE BOULEVARD. THE PROPERTY IMMEDIATELY TO THE NORTH HAS A ZONING OF AR, THE PROPERTY ACROSS 218 TO THE SOUTH HAS A ZONING OF BB THREE, THE PROPERTY IMMEDIATELY TO THE EAST HAS A REZONING OF PCD AND ACROSS NORTH MIMOSA AVENUE TO THE WEST HAS A ZONING OF BA . THE PRESENT BA 1 ZONING LIMITS, THE DEVELOPERS OF THE SITE TO RETAIL STORES AND SHOPS HAVING A GROSS SQUARE AREA OF 25,000 SQUARE FEET. THE STATE PURPOSE OF THE REZONING IS TO FACILITATE THE DEVELOPMENT OF AN OFFICE AND BUILDING TO SUPPORT TRUCK ACCESSORIES SALES . I HAVE PROVIDED A ZONING MAP, AND TO THE RIGHT IS THE AERIAL.

I HAVE ALSO PROVIDED PUBLIC NOTIFICATION BUFFER INFORMATION TO THE LIST ON THE LEFT, THE LIST OF HOMEOWNERS THAT I MAILED THE LETTERS TO, THE UPPER RIGHT-HAND CORNER IS THE MAP OF THE PARCELS FOR THE LIST, AND THE BOTTOM LEFT IS THE TWO REZONING SIGNS THAT WERE POSTED ON SITE. THE APPLICANT REQUESTED A CHANGE IN ZONING FOR A 1.69 ACRE PARCEL, THE REQUESTED ZONING ALLOWS FOR COMMERCIAL FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION, STAFF HAS REVIEWED THE APPLICATION AND DETERMINED THAT THE REQUEST IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING AREA. THE MIDDLEBURG CLAY HILL CAC VOTED 7-10 TWO RECOMMEND APPROVAL ON NOVEMBER 20TH. THE PLANNING COMMISSION VOTED 6-0 TWO RECOMMEND APPROVAL ON DECEMBER 5TH AND THE STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF APPLICATION ZEAL AND -- ZON. DO YOU HAVE ANY

QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? >> I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS RIGHT NOW, BUT I REALLY LIKE THE WAY THAT SLIDE WAS SET UP WITH THE NOTIFICATIONS AND THE PICTURE OF THE SIGNS, IT GIVES US A GOOD VIEW AS TO WHAT IS HAPPENING HERE WITHOUT SOMEBODY COMING IN AND SAYING, YOU KNOW, I NEVER SAW THE SIGNS, I WOULD RECOMMEND, MAYBE WE CAN DO ALL OF THOSE LIKE THAT. THANK YOU.

GOOD JOB. >> ESPECIALLY IN THE NOTIFICATION AROUND IT, THAT WAS INFORMATIVE, A LOT OF TIMES, I NEVER GOT THE LETTER, BUT WE HEAR THAT ALL THE TIME.

COMMISSIONERS, I APPRECIATE IT.

>> WHAT ARE YOU HOPING TO INTEND TO DO WITH THEM?

>> WE ARE HOPING FOR AN INSTALLATION OF PICKUP TRUCK

PARTS, NOT LODGE 18 WHEELERS. >> OKAY.

>> I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION, SO RIGHT NOW THAT IS AN EMPTY LOT AND YOU WOULD BE BUILDING ON IT?

>> CURRENTLY IT IS A VACANT PROPERTY. 4000 SQUARE FEET.

>> THE BUILDING IS 80 BY 50 WITH 16 FOOT WALLS.

>> OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT?

>> I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR DESIRE TO LOCATE YOUR BUSINESS IN CLAY COUNTY IN AN AREA THAT HAS OTHER COMMERCIAL, WE APPRECIATE

THAT. >> THANK YOU. OKAY, WE ARE GOING TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING, IF THERE'S ANYONE WHO WANTS TO SPEAK ON THIS REZONING. SEEING NONE. CLOSING

THE PUBLIC HEARING. >> THERE HAS BEEN ZERO OBJECTION TO THIS FROM ANY OF THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORS, THE

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CIC IS FINE WITH IT AND LIKE I SAID, WE WELCOME THEM TO THE

NEIGHBORHOOD. >> IS THAT A MOTION?

>> MOTION. >> SECOND.

>> MOTION AND SECOND TO APPROVE THE ZONING CHANGE FROM BA1 TO BB3 . ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR INDICATE AYE.

[37. Final Public Hearing to consider PUD-1023-00014. (District 1, Comm. Cella) (S. Olsen)]

>> AYE. >> PASSES, 5-0. MOVING ONTO 37.

FINAL PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER PUD 1023-000 DISTRICT 1, APPLICATION REZONING OF SINGLE PARCEL AND FROM AGRICULTURAL AR TO SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENT, PLANNED

UNIT DEVELOPMENT. >> HELLO, THIS IS THE REZONING APPLICATION TO GO FROM AR TO PUD. WE HAVE A PRESENTATION FOR YOU AFTERWARS. THE LOCATION IS ON COUNTY ROAD 220 AND THIS IS IN COMMISSIONER CELLA'S DISTRICT, IT IS LOCATED AT 2784 COUNTY ROAD 220. AND AGAIN, THIS WOULD BE CHANGING THE DESIGNATION OF THE SINGLE PARCEL FROM BOTH AR AND AR 2 TO JUST PUD. FIRST I WOULD LIKE TO ADJUST THE MAPPING AREA, SO PLANNING AND ZONING USING PROPERTY ZONING DATA TO GENERATE OUR MAPS, ESPECIALLY FOR THE LETTERS THAT GO OUT TO THE RESIDENCE, THEY ARE WORKING ON FIXING THE ERROR AND IT RESULTED IN MORE PEOPLE BEING NOTIFIED THAN WOULD OTHERWISE BE REQUIRED. BUT THE LEFT IS THE OUTLINED PARTIAL BACKING UP TO THE NEIGHBORS AND ON THE RIGHT IS THE ACTUAL OUTLINE OF THE PARCEL CONSIDERED TONIGHT. OKAY, AND I'M NOT SHOWING ALL OF THE LOTS WERE NOTIFIED OF THE REZONING REQUEST . ON DECEMBER 5TH, THE PLANNING COMMISSION VOTED 7-0 TO APPROVE THE PUD ON THE CONDITION THAT THERE WAS A DISCREPANCY POTENTIALLY. OUR PROPERTY APPRAISER TOOK A LOOK AND CONFIRMED THAT THE PARCEL IN QUESTION, IS NOT THE SAME LOT THAT IS BEING CONSIDERED TONIGHT. SO THERE IS NO CONFLICT. THE PROPERTY APPRAISER CAN CONFIRM THAT AND STAFF HAS FOUND THAT THE PROPOSED REZONING WOULD BE COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING USE AND RECOMMENDING APPROVAL.

>> OKAY, THANK YOU. >> I WILL BE SUSTAINED. I PROMISE. JUST TO ELUDE TO WHAT SAM WAS SAYING, WE DID AT PLANNING COMMISSION HAVE A GENTLEMAN COME AND SAY HE OWNED A PORTION OF LAND IN BETWEEN COUNTY ROAD 220 AND OUR PARCEL, WE HAVE CONFIRMED THAT IS NOT THE CASE. AS WITH OLDER PROPERTIES, THERE'S A LOT OF CHANGES AND WE ARE BUYING THE MURRAY PROPERTY ON THE PARCEL, IT'S JUST THERE IS SOME FAMILY LAND THAT HAS BEEN PASSED DOWN BUT WE ARE BUYING THE MURRAY PARCEL. WE ARE HERE TO TALK ABOUT A PUD. WE HAVE OUR TEAM, AND QUICKLY ABOUT POLITY HOMES, THEY ARE THE THIRD LARGEST NATIONAL BUILDER BUT NOT JUST NATIONAL, THEY ARE HERE LOCALLY, 150 EMPLOYEES. THEY ARE ACTIVELY SELLING IN OUR COMMUNITY IN CLAY COUNTY, AND JUST TO ORIENT YOU, OUR PARCEL IS IN BETWEEN FLEMING ISLAND AND BLANDING, WE ARE IN THIS TRANSITION AREA BETWEEN RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL.

THERE IS MIXED-USE ALL IN THIS AREA. OUR FUTURE LAND USE IS YOU SEE UC10, THE COMMUNITY AND PLANNING DEPARTMENT WANTED GROWTH IN THIS AREA, THAT IS WHY IT IS UC10 RESIDENTIAL GROWTH. THIS IS JUST A ZOOMED IN VERSION OF

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RESIDENTIAL, COMMERCIAL , AND THIS IS OUR PARCEL AS YOU CAN SEE, WE HAVE A SPLIT ZONING, WE HAVE AR, AND REALLY THE AR IS A LITTLE INCOMPATIBLE WITH THIS MAJOR CORRIDOR THROUGH CLAY COUNTY, WE ALSO HAVE REZONING WHICH ALLOWS UP TO SIX UNITS PER ACRE. AND WE ARE REQUESTING A PUD REZONING AND THE PREVIOUS APPLICANT SPOKE, PUD IS REALLY RESTRICTIVE, IT REALLY RESTRICTS TO THE WRITTEN DESCRIPTION, THE SITE PLAN WHAT WE ARE DOING. SO, YOU GET BENEFITS OUT OF THAT VERSUS THE REGULAR REZONING. THIS IS JUST ZOOMING IN, AS YOU CAN SEE, WE HAVE PUD AROUND US. SO WHAT ARE WE PROPOSING CUSTOMER A PUD UP TO SINGLE-FAMILY LOTS, A MIX BETWEEN 40S AND 50S, WE ARE KEEPING WITH THE REQUIREMENT THAT NO MORE THAN 20% ARE SMALLER THAN 50 FEET. THE PROJECT BENEFITS, WE ARE PROVIDING A TEMPLATE OF 10 FOOT BUFFER AROUND THE ENTIRE PROPERTY, EVEN THOUGH IT IS NOT REQUIRED, IT IS SINGLE-FAMILY NEXT TO SINGLE FAMILY SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO BUFFER THAT BUT WE WANTED TO PROVIDE THAT. IN ADDITION, WE ARE PROVIDING ON STREET PARKING, WE ARE PROVIDING ENOUGH ROOM ON THE LOTS WHERE TWO CARS CAN FIT IN THE DRIVEWAY AND IN THE GARAGE.

IT WILL EXCEED THE OPEN SPACE, THE ACTIVE REC REQUIREMENTS .

ANOTHER GREAT BENEFIT IS BETWEEN 220 AND THE FIRST LOT, THERE'S ALMOST 300 FEET, SO REALLY IT'LL HAVE MINIMAL IMPACT ON COUNTY ROAD 220. AND WE BELIEVE IT IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING AREA, AND THERE IS A MIX OF SENIOR LIVING, SALVATION ARMY, THERE IS APARTMENTS TO THE WEST, SO WE DO BELIEVE THIS IS COMPATIBLE WITH OUR SURROUNDING AREA. IT DOES NEED TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN REALLY DOES ENCOURAGE INFILL DEVELOP WHERE SERVICES ARE ALREADY AT. SO WE ALREADY HAVE SERVICES HERE. WE HAVE FIRE, SCHOOLS, HOSPITALS, WITHIN A THREE-MILE RADIUS OF US. YOU HAVE TO BE WITHIN PROXIMITY OF SERVICES AND YOU HAVE TO MEET THE POINT, THIS PROJECT DOES MEET THOSE POINTS, BUT WE ARE LOCKING OUR DENSITY AND WITH OUR 87 UNITS, AND THAT REALLY EQUATES CLOSER TO FOUR UNITS PER ACRE WHICH IS EQUIVALENT TO VERY SIMILAR PROPERTIES AROUND US. AND AS A PLANNER, I HAVE TO TALK ABOUT SMART GROWTH PRINCIPLES, SO THIS REALLY DOES, IT IS AN INFILL PARCEL WHICH IS A MIXED AREA WITH MIXED LAND USE WHICH MAKES IT VIBRANT AND ALSO WE HAVE A COMPACT DESIGN THAT ALSO PROVIDES AMENITIES FOR THE PEOPLE. AND JUST AS A JUSTIFICATION, WE DO HAVE SCHOOL CONCURRENCY IN OUR DISTRICT, IT IS INFILL, WE ARE COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING AREA, WE MEET THE LDC REQUIREMENTS, AND WE WILL EXCEED THE OPEN SPACE AND ACTIVE REC. AND THESE ARE JUST EXAMPLES OF SOME OF THE DESIGNS THAT WE INTEND TO BUILD AND REALLY JUST WANTED TO TOUCH BASE, IF WE ASK FOR THE MAX OF THE PARCEL OVER, THE AR OVER 130 UNITS. AND WE AGREED WITH STAFF RECOMMENDATION AND I'M HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE.

>> QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME. ASK ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? THANK YOU VERY MUCH, WE WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. I DON'T HAVE ANY CARDS, BUT IF THERE IS SOMEONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS, YOU ARE MORE THAN WELCOME TO COME ON UP. SEEING NONE. CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. X CHAIR, IF I COULD COME WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY RESIDENCE COME TONIGHT, I HAVE TALKED TO SOME OF THEM, I HAVE WATCHED MOST

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ABOUT A COUPLE OF TIMES TO GET THEIR COMPLAINTS, I HAVE TALKED TO RICHARD SMITH ABOUT HUTCHINSON ROAD, WHICH IS A DIRT ROAD, A PRESCRIPTIVE ROAD FOR US JUST TO THE WEST OF WHERE THIS PROPERTY IS, AND IT SORT OF RUNS PARALLEL. WE ARE WORKING ON SOME OF THOSE THINGS, WE HAVE HAD PUBLIC WORKS OUT THERE TO LOOK AT THE BIG BOTTLE THEY SAID THEY HAD OUT THERE IN RICHARD POINT I HAVE TAUGHT A NUMBER OF TIMES ABOUT THAT. SO, IF YOU LIKE WE CAN GET THAT UNDER CONTROL.

AND ONE OF THE THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT, WE TURNED IT DOWN A SIMILAR NEIGHBORHOOD ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET, A LITTLE FURTHER EAST, ONE OF THE REASONS WAS BECAUSE THEY NEEDED A LIFT STATION TO GET EVERYTHING OUT OF THERE. IN THIS CASE, USING GRAVITY FOR GETTING WATER AND SEWER OUT OF THERE, SO DOWN THE LINE, WHEN THEY HAVE THE NATURE WAY, THEY WON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT HAVING ENOUGH MONEY TO FIX THE STATION OR DO THOSE KIND OF THINGS. QUITE HONESTLY, I MET WITH THEM A COUPLE OF TIMES I CAN'T THINK OF ANY REASONS TO SAY NO TO THE APPLICATION, ONLY BECAUSE THEY'VE GOT LESS HOMES THAN THEY COULD'VE BEEN THEY PUT ON STREET PARKING IN AS PART OF THE FACILITY. THEY HAVE 80% OF THE HOMES ARE 55 LOTS, I WOULD HAVE PREFERRED 100, BUT WE CAN ONLY PUSH THEM SO HARD. AND THEY ARE IN A GOOD POSITION FOR THE FOLKS THAT LIVE THERE TO BE -- FOLKS THAT CAN USE SERVICES THAT AR AROUND THERE. SO, IF YOU NOTICED ON THE SAMPLE, ARTIST RENDERINGS OF THE HOMES, NEXT CRAFTSMAN LOOKING HOMES AND THEY HAVE GOT ARCHITECTURAL -- NOT REALLY LOW END CONSTRUCTION THERE. SO, I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT, I WILL MAKE THE MOTION TO TAKE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION ALSO AND PLANNING AND ZONING'S RECOMMENDATION TO MOVE THIS IN A FORWARD MANNER. NEXT SECOND

>> MOTION AND SECOND, ONE LAST COMMENT. PREVIOUSLY, WE HAD DEVELOPMENTS THAT WE WANTED TO LIMIT THE 40 FOOT LOCKS, BUT YOU DIDN'T CORRAL THEM ALL, YOU INTERSPERSED THEM AMONGST THE RESIDENT COMMUNITY, AND THAT TIMMY WAS REALLY ENCOURAGING TO SEE THAT MIXED AND MATCHED IN THE COMMUNITY. SO, I LIKED

THAT. >> ANY OTHER COMMENTS?

>> I LIKE HOW YOU SAID PEOPLE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO PARK IN THE GARAGE THERE, THAT IS PROBABLY NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.

ALL OUR STUFF >> YOU LOOK AT DRIVEWAY LENGTHS TO MAKE SURE THE EXTRA TWO CARDS WOULD FIT WITHOUT

BLOCKING THE SIDEWALK. >> I THINK I ASKED THAT QUESTION, I ASKED ABOUT A FULL-SIZE SUV AND I ALSO ASKED ABOUT A SIDEWALK TO THIS GOAL, BECAUSE THEY ARE CLOSE ENOUGH TO DOCTORS IN LATE ELEMENTARY, THEY WON'T HAVE BUS SERVICE, AND THERE IS A SIDEWALK ALL THE WAY TO THE SCHOOL. THAT'S OKAY, ANY OTHER COMMENTS, WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND, ALL

[38. Final Public Hearing to consider COMP0923-00013. (District 4, Comm. Condon) (E. Lehman)]

THOSE IN FAVOR, AI. >> THANK YOU.

>> ITEM 38, FINAL ITEM, 1003, PROPOSE A SMALL-SCALE AMENDMENT TO A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, CHANGE 1.07 ACRES FROM RAUB ROAD RESIDENTIAL TO COMMUNITY CC.

>> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR, THE APPLICANT IS JACKIE CARTER.

THE PLANNING COMMISSION HEARD THIS ITEM LAST TUESDAY AT THE MEETING. SUBJECT PARCEL IN THE MAP ON THE LEFT IS ] IT IS LOCATED ON THE WEST SIDE OF LANDING JUST OFF OF THE INTERSECTION OF LONG BAY AND LAZY ACRES, THAT AREA. THE MAP ON THE RIGHT SHOWS THE BASE COLORS , THE PARCELS THAT WERE NOTIFIED ABOUT THIS APPLICATION. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING COMMERCIAL, BUT THE SUBJECT PARCEL IS LOCATED WITHIN THE MASTER PLAN AREA AND COMMERCIAL LAND USE IS NOT AN OPTION. THE PARCELS BOTH NORTH AND SOUTH, IN 2010, WHERE DESIGNATED AS COMMERCIAL. HOWEVER, THIS PARCEL IS NOT DESIGNATED AT THAT TIME. SO, THE TWO MAPS SHOWN HERE ARE THE 2010 STAFF MEMO WHERE THE CHANGE OCCURRED FOR THOSE PARCELS TO GO TO COMMERCIAL , AND ACCORDING TO THIS 2010 STOCK REPORT, THE STATED REASON FOR THE CHANGE TO COMMERCIAL AND THE OTHER TWO PARCELS WAS TO CORRECT AN ERROR. SO, THIS APPLICATION WOULD BE TO GO TO BRANDON FIELD ÚCOMMUNITY CENTER, BECAUSE IT IS THE ONLY OPTION YOU CAN HAVE IN BRANDON FIELD AND IT IS CLOSE TO AN AREA, THE PINK ABOVE IS

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ACTUALLY BRANDON FIELD COMMUNITY CENTER, SO IT AND THAT TWO PARCELS ABOVE AND BELOW IT WOULD ALL BE COMMERCIAL. THEY WOULD HAVE RETAIL DESIGNATIONS AND DIFFERENT USES. SO, THE CHANGE IS CC IS CONSISTENT WITH SECTION 1 OF POLICY 1.4.8 DESIGNATION OF COMMERCIAL. IN ADDITION, THE PARCELS JUST SOUTH OF PARCELS IN THE BLUE DESIGNATION OF THE FCC, THE PINK AREA I JUST DESCRIBED. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THIS APPLICATION , THE PLANNING COMMISSION VOTED 6-0 TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL. AND THIS LAST MAP SHOWS HOW THAT WOULD APPEAR ON THE LAND USE MAP, THE PINK IS THE BF CC AND THE RED IS THE COMMERCIAL, SO IT WOULD BE WITHIN A COMMERCIAL ORDER LIKE MUCH OF WHAT WE HAVE. DO YOU HAVE ANY

QUESTIONS? >>

>> IN THE BF CC, GOODNESS, IT IS MORE OF A NEIGHBORLY TYPE COMMERCIAL, IT IS NOT THE HEAVIEST OF COMMERCIAL CATEGORIES AND BRANDON FIELD ACTIVITY CENTER, SO YOU CAN'T HAVE ANY WAREHOUSE IN BFCC, YOU CAN'T HAVE CAR WASH IN BFCC, IT IS MORE DELI IS , MORE LIBERALLY -- NEIGHBORLY,

SMALLER SCALE. >> THIS IS THE PART WHERE WE

WERE CHALLENGED LAST MEETING. >> OH, OKAY, SO, I WOULD LIKE TO SET THE RECORD STRAIGHT ON THAT. THAT PERSON THAT SPOKE TO US AT THAT MEETING, WHO CLAIMED TO BE RELATED TO THE APPLICANT, IS NOT RELATED TO THE APPLICANT. THEY SHARE THE SAME LAST NAME, WHICH IS A VERY COMMON LAST NAME, BUT THE APPLICANT CALL ME AND WANTED YOU ALL TO KNOW, AND I COULDN'T TELL YOU OUTSIDE THE SUNSHINE, BUT MY INTENTION WAS TO TELL YOU TONIGHT, THEY ARE NOT RELATED. THE APPLICANT WAS MORTIFIED, TO SAY THE LEAST, THAT HIS PROPERTY WAS BROUGHT UP IN CONNECTION WITH ANYONE ELSE'S PROPERTY. IT IS QUITE UNFORTUNATE. ACTUALLY, THIS APPLICANT IN 2002 MADE APPLICATION TO THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS TO CHANGE THIS ZONING TO COMMERCIAL. AND STOP AND I CHALLENGED IT, THEY KNOW I PULLED MY HAIR OUT, SAYING PLEASE, SOMEBODY HAS GOT TO BE ABLE TO FIND SOMETHING. ALL THEY COULD FIND THAT HE SUBMITTED THE APPLICATION, THEY CAN FIND THAT HE HAS A RECEIPT THAT SAYS HE PAID THE FEE, AND THERE ARE NO MINUTES OR ANYTHING THAT SAYS IT WAS EVER HEARD BY THE BCC. IT EVEN HAS A NUMBER ASSOCIATED WITH IT. SO, IT IS QUITE UNFORTUNATE THAT WE CAN'T GIVE HIM WHAT WAS BEFORE BRANDON FIELD MASTER PLAN, WHICH WAS LITERALLY THREE YEARS LATER. SO, I WOULD JUST ASK, I MEAN, HE IS HERE TONIGHT, I WOULD ASK THAT WE CONSIDER THIS. I HAVE NOT HEARD ANY OBJECTIONS TO THIS. BUT IT IS UNFORTUNATE. NOW, THIS PROPERTY -- HE LOST SOME VALUE BY NOT HAVING THE COMMERCIAL VALUE HIS NEIGHBORS HAVE, HOWEVER, HIS NEIGHBORS THAT HAVE THAT HIGHEST COMMERCIAL THAT THAT HAD ON THERE, THAT ARE RIGHT BY THE CREEK, DOUG HAS LEFT, BUT THE ST. JOHN'S WINTER WATER MANAGEMENT -- INAUDIBLE ] IT IS WETLANDS, IT SITS RIGHT OFF THE CREEK. SO, MR. CARTER'S PROPERTY IS VALUABLE BECAUSE NO ONE OWNING THOSE PARCELS WHICH ARE OWNED BY THE OWNER COULD DO ANYTHING WITHOUT THIS PARCEL. BECAUSE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF HIS PARCEL IS A RETENTION POND OWNED BY THE D.O.T. AND SO, AT ANY RATE, YOU KNOW, THE INTENTION OF LANDING HAS ALWAYS BEEN TO BE COMMERCIAL AND IT IS REALLY UNFORTUNATE THAT HE IS CAUGHT IN THIS SITUATION THAT REALLY SHOULD HAVE BEEN FIXED BACK IN 2002. LET'S MR. CARTER, ARE YOU HERE?

>> YEAH. THAT'S WITH YOU AND CHARISSE. I TRIED TO GET YOU

NOT TO HAVE TO PAY FOR IT. >> I AM JACKIE CARTER, I AM THE APPLICANT. I AM HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE.

>> DO YOU HAVE ANY PLANS FOR THE PROPERTY?

>> I THOUGHT I HAD A BUYER, AND MAYBE I STILL DO,

I DON'T KNOW. >> SO, LARRY IS NOT A RELATIVE

OF YOURS? >>

>> DO YOU KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS? HAVE YOU EVER HEARD THAT TERM?

THAT MEAN? >> AMINES SOMEWHERE ALONG THE WAY, THIS COUSIN TWICE REMOVED, SOMEBODY MIGHT HAVE HAD A

FAMILY TREE CROSS, BUT -- >> INTERESTING.

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>> I AM SORRY FOR THE MIX-UP, I CAN'T EXPLAIN 2002. I'M GOING TO TRY, BUT WE WILL TRY TO MAKE IT BETTER TONIGHT. I'M NOT SURE, WE WILL MAKE IT RIGHT FOR YOUR REQUEST ANYWAY.

>> WELL, THANK YOU. THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING, SO I WILL OPEN PUBLIC HEARING IF THERE IS ANY -- I DON'T HAVE ANY CARDS, IF ANYBODY WANTS TO SPEAK TO THIS ISSUE. CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, BACK TO THE COMMISSION. MOTION TO APPROVE THE PLAN CHANGE. I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ASK SOMEBODY ELSE JUMP IN, SLOW ON THE DRIVE.

>> ANYWAY, MOTION AND SECOND TO IMPROVE COMP PLAN 1.7 ACRES FROM RURAL RESIDENTIAL TO BRANDON FIELD COMMUNITY CENTER.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS, QUESTIONS, CONCERNS? IF NOT, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? ANY NAYS? PASSES 5-0. ITEM NUMBER 39, FINAL PUBLIC

[39. Final Public Hearing to consider ZON-1023-00025. (District 5, Comm. Burke) (B. Carson)]

HEARING, 1023 TAX 0025, AMENDMENT TO REZONE 2.59 ACRES FROM HEAVY INDUSTRIAL TO AGRICULTURAL.

>> I HAVE A CORRECTION, THIS IS NOT ACTUALLY FINAL.

>> IT IS NOT FINAL? >> NO, THAT WAS MY ERROR.

>> DID I SAY FINAL? >> IT IS WRITTEN IN THERE, BUT THAT IS NOT YOU'RE DOING, THAT IS MY DOING. THIS IS AN ADMINISTRATIVE REZONING AND IT REQUIRES TWO EARRINGS. THIS IS THE FIRST HEARING. SO, THE APPLICANT IS ACTUALLY THE COUNTY ON THIS ONE, THE REQUEST IS ZONING MAP AMENDMENT , FOUR PARCELS, HEAVY INDUSTRIAL TO AGRICULTURAL RESIDENTIAL.

PLANNING DISTRICT BURKE DISTRICT. THE PLANNING COMMISSION HEARD THIS LAST TUESDAY AT THEIR MEETING. A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND ON THIS, THESE FOUR PARCELS ARE PART OF SEVEN PARCELS THAT WERE REZONED BACK IN 1988. THESE PARCELS ARE ACTUALLY OWNED BY WITH THE PARCELS YOU HEARD IN THE LAST BCC MEETING FOR A BOAT STORAGE. DESIGNATED AS INDUSTRIAL, THEY HAVE ALL BEEN RESIDENTIAL OVER THESE YEARS, BELL BELT IN THAT '50 IS MPC 60'S. WITH THIS MAP ERROR, WHEN IT WAS REZONED IN '88, WAS NOT REFLECTED CORRECTLY ON THE ZONING MAP, SO FURTHER PERMITS WERE ISSUED IN 2003 AND 2020, THINKING IT'S RESIDENTIAL. SO, LIKE I SAID, THEY ARE ALL BEING CURRENTLY USED AS RESIDENTIAL, BUT AS INDUSTRIAL ZONING . WITH RESIDENTIAL, THEY ARE CONSIDERED NONCONFORMING USES.

AND THEY COULD BE EXPANDED ANY FURTHER THIS APPLICATION IS TO WRITE THE ZONING ON IT, SO IT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE LAND-USE. THIS APPLICATION WOULD TAKE IT TO THE AGRICULTURAL RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICT. THERE IS A MAP ON THE LEFT. THE LAND USAGE, I'M SORRY, I APOLOGIZE, THE ZONING. THE PURPLE IS THE IDEA ZONING DISTRICT. THE GREEN TO THE IMMEDIATE WEST HAVE A HOUSE THEY USE FOR SECURITY AND A POND. THE NEXT THREE PARCELS WERE THE ONES THAT WERE THE LAND-USE CHANGE LAST MONTH. FOR A BOAT STORAGE. AND THE PARCEL IN FRON OF THAT IS ONE OF THE FOUR THAT IS SUBJECT OF THIS APPLICATION.

AND THEY WOULD BE THE AR, SIMILAR TO THE REST OF THEM.

THERE IS AN AERIAL OF THE SITE WHICH IS SHOWING THE PARCELS.

STAFF IS REQUESTING THIS CHANGE FROM I.V. TO AR FOR THE 2.95 ACRES , CONSISTENT WITH THE EXISTING LAND USE.

INAUDIBLE ] STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ZONING 1023, 25.

THE PLANNING COMMISSION LAST MONTH VOTED 6-0 TO RECOMMEND THIS APPLICATION AND THERE IS NO OPTION REQUIRED TODAY, BECAUSE AGAIN, THIS IS THE FIRST HEARING. ANY QUESTIONS?

>> I HAVE NO CARDS, >> OPEN PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS ISSUE, ITEM NUMBER 39 IF THERE IS ANYONE. SEEING NONE, CLOSE

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THE PUBLIC HEARING. THERE IS NO ACTION TO TAKE.

>> THIS WILL COME BACK TO YOU JANUARY 27TH.

>> OKAY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ITEM NUMBER 40 WAS WITHDRAWN, CORRECT? SO, WE ARE ON TO 41. WHICH I THINK WE ARE GOING TO

[41. Final Public Hearing to consider ZON-1023-00024 (District 5, Comm. Burke) (M. Brown)]

CONTINUE. >> ITEM 31 WAS CONTINUED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION ON THE JANUARY 2ND MEETING.

INAUDIBLE ] I GUESS YOU HAVE TO CONTINUE THAT THIS HEARING .

HEARING, IS THAT CORRECT? NO CARDS FOR ITEM NUMBER 41, IT IS GOING TO BE CONTINUED. WE WILL DECIDE THAT YOU'RE IN A SECOND. SEEN NON-, CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, THIS HAS NOT BEEN HEARD BY THE PLANNING BOARD YET, THEY ARE GOING TO MEET JANUARY SECOND, SO WE HAVE TO PUSH IT

BEYOND THAT. >> WE CONTINUE IT TO JANUARY

23RD. >> SECOND. THAT'S A MOTION AND SECOND. TO CONTINUE THIS ITEM TO JANUARY 23RD, 2024. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. ITEM NUMBER 43, PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE PURPOSE OF CONSIDERING THE ENTRY TO PURCHASE PSA , PURCHASE AND SALE AGREEMENT FOR THE PURCHASE OF COUNTY

[42. Final Public Hearing to consider adoption of COMP1023-00015 and PUD-1023-00015. (District 5, Comm. Burke) (D. Selig)]

>> MISSED 42. A FINAL PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER ADOPTION ,

PUT IN DISTRICT 5. >> THIS ITEM WAS ALSO CONTINUED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO THEIR JANUARY 2ND MEETING.

>> OKAY. X BUT UNTIL WE DO THAT, I HAVE PUBLIC HEARING REQUIRED. ANYBODY WISHING TO SPEAK ON ITEM NUMBER 42? WHICH WILL BE CONTINUED AND WE WILL DECIDE WHEN YOU'RE IN A SECOND.

SEEING NONE, PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSE, WE WILL TAKE A MOTION TO

CONTINUE. >> MOTION TO CONTINUE THIS ITEM TO OUR JANUARY 23RD MEETING.

>> MOTION TO CONTINUE THIS ITEM TO THE GENERATE 23RD, 2024 MEETING. MOTION AND SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR , INDICATE BY SAYING AYE. ANY OPPOSED? IT IS

[43. Public Hearing for the purpose of considering the entry into a Purchase and Sale Agreement for the purchase by the County of real property necessary for the Bonded Transportation Program, more particularly described as a portion of Tax Parcel No. 28-05-26-014366-000-00 and authorization for County Manager to execute all documents necessary to close the acquisition (C. Grimm/E. Dendor)]

CONTINUED TO JANUARY 23RD. NOW WE ARE ON TO PUBLIC ITEM NUMBER 43, CONSIDERING A PURCHASE AND SALE AGREEMENT OF SALE AGREEMENT. AS YOU MENTIONED, IT IS IN CONNECTION WITH THE TRANSPORTATION PROGRAM, IT IS A PORTION OF THE PROPERTY THAT IS WITH PROJECT NUMBER TWO, I BELIEVE IT IS,

IT IS A LONG 209. >> WE HAVE DONE THESE BEFORE, PURCHASE SALE AGREEMENT APPROVAL

>> WE HAVE TO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING.

>> OH. >> PUBLIC HEARING, ANYONE WISHING TO COMMENT ON PSA PURCHASE SALE AGREEMENT FOR INAUDIBLE ] SEEN NON-, WE ARE GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND BRING IT BACK TO COUNTY. MOTION TO APPROVE? I HAVE A SECOND TO APPROVE THE PURCHASE SALE AGREEMENT OF THIS PROPERTY . ANY DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, INDICATE BY SAYING AYE. NO, SAME SIGN. PASSED

[44. Approval of Amendment to Resolution #22/23-84 to update the Inventory List attached as Exhibit A (C. Grimm)]

UNANIMOUSLY. ITEM NUMBER 44 . I THINK REQUIRES PUBLIC HEARING AS WELL. IT'S APPROVAL OF THE AMENDMENT TO RESOLUTION INVENTORY OF AVAILABLE E - PROPERTIES FOR THE AFFORDABLE H.O.M.E. ACT. LIVE LOCAL ACT.

>> SO, BACK IN NOVEMBER, THE BOARD HAD RECEIVED A REQUEST FROM THE CITY OF GREENE CO. TO CONSIDER REMOVING A PIECE OF PROPERTY AND THE BOARD DISCUSSED THAT AND DIRECTED US

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TO MOVE FORWARD WITH PREPARING THE AMENDMENT. AT THAT TIME, WE ALSO BROUGHT TO YOUR ATTENTION THAT TWO OF THE PARCELS THAT WERE INCLUDED ON THE LIST HAD RECENTLY BEEN SOLD OR IN THE PROCESS OF BEING SOLD. BOTH OF THOSE HAVE -- THEIR SALES HAVE ACTUALLY BEEN ACCOMPLISHED, AND THEN THERE WAS A FOURTH PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT WE WERE NOTIFIED THERE WAS AN ISSUE AS TO THE OWNERSHIP. WE HAVE RESEARCHED THAT FURTHER AND FOR THE PROPERTY APPRAISER'S OFFICE, AS WELL AS THROUGH AN OUTSIDE ATTORNEY REPRESENTING SOME LAND OWNERS AROUND THAT PARCEL, AGREE THAT IT IS NOT THE COUNTY'S PROPERTY. SO, THE AMENDMENT BEFORE YOU IS FOR FOUR DIFFERENT PARCELS TO BE REMOVED FROM THE LIST. AS YOU MAY RECALL, DURING PUBLIC COMMENT, THERE IS SOMEONE WHO CAME AND IS INTERESTED IN TWO OF THE PARCELS. WE WILL BRING THOSE PARCELS BACK BEFORE YOU FOR DISCUSSION IN JANUARY. TO DECIDE HOW YOU WOULD LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD JUST UNDER THE LIVE LOCAL ACT, AS FAR AS

MAKING AVAILABLE. >> MR. CHAIR?

>> QUESTION, I THOUGHT WE ALREADY HAD A PROCESS, YOU KNOW? WHERE WE PUT THEM ON AUCTION.

>> YOU CAN DO THAT, YES, AND THERE ARE OTHER OPTIONS THAT ARE LAID OUT IN THE LIVE LOCAL ACT AS WELL, IT WOULD BE THE BOARD'S DISCRETION. DEPENDING ON IF THEY ARE CONSIDERED SURPLUS, YOU CAN ALSO DO THEM AS A PRIVATE SALE ON A STATUTE THAT IS OUT THERE IF IT IS A NONPROFIT, SO THAT IS AN OPTION AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN DO THAT OR A DONATION, THERE ARE