Dec 05, 2023 Planning Commission

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>> WELCOME TO THE CLAY COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING OF DECEMBER 5, 2023. MY NAME IS MARY BRIDGMAN, I AM SHARE OF THE CLAY COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION.

THE MINUTES FOR TONIGHT'S MEETING WILL BE TAKEN BY CHRISTINE BLANCHETTE, REPORTING SECRETARY FROM THE CLERK OF COURTS OFFICE. OTHER STAFF PRESENT INCLUDE, I THOUGHT I SAW ED LEHMAN. THERE YOU ARE.

ED LEHMAN, DIRECTOR OF PLANNING AND ZONING.

IS KELLY HERE? KELLY HENRY? NO, MIKE BROWNER, ZONING CHIEF, F PERSON, OUR DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF PLANNING AND ZONING. - -, R CHIEF PLANNER.

SAMANTHA OLSON, ONE OF OUR PLANNERS AND LAURA HANSEN, OUR ZONE TECH. ALSO PRESENT KIMBERLY OF COURTNEY GRIMM, OURCOUNTY ATTORNEY .

IS JAMIE HERE? ASSISTANT COUNTY ATTORNEY.

WE HAVE CHARISSE STUART, ASSISTANT COUNTY MANAGER FOR THE DIVISION OF ECONOMIC AND DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.

WE HAVE COMMISSIONER SALA HERE TODAY TONIGHT.

IS THERE ANYONE ELSE I NEED TO INTRODUCE HERE AT THIS TIME? SO, WE WANT TO THANK DEPUTIES ASH AND COLD FOR PROVIDING SECURITY FOR TONIGHT'S MEETING. I WOULD LIKE TO INTRODUCE MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS. TO MY LEFT IS MICHAEL BOURRE.

HE WILL BE JOINED BY COMMISSIONER - - LATER ON ANZALONE LATER ON. THIS IS BILL GARRISON AND LANCE ADDISON FROM THE SCHOOL BOARD. ON THE RIGHT WE HAVE A VICE CHAIR PETE DAVIS AND COMMISSIONER RALPH PUCKHABER.

THE CLAY COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION IS AN ADVISORY BOARD TO THE CLAY COUNTY BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS.

MOST OF THE DECISIONS MADE BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION OUR RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS, OR THE BCC. THE BCC WILL HAVE THE FINAL SAY ON THESE MATTERS AT THEIR MEETING ON DECEMBER 12, WHICH IS THE SECOND TUESDAY, ONE WEEK FROM TODAY.

THE ZONING PORTION OF THE BCC MEETING IS HELD AT 5:00.

THE MEETING STARTS AT 4:00, BUT THE ZONING PORTION BEGINS AT 5:00. PLEASE CHECK THE VCC AGENDA FOR THOSE ITEMS. IF THERE IS AN ITEM ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA THAT YOU WISH TO SPEAK ABOUT, PLEASE FILL OUT ONE OF THE COMMON CARDS ON THE TABLE IN THE VESTIBULE AND GIVE THEM TO MISS BLANCHETTE. I ALREADY HAVE A PRETTY GOOD COLLECTION OF CARDS RIGHT HERE, BUT PLEASE DO THAT.

AT THIS TIME, I REQUEST THAT YOU PLACE YOUR CELL PHONE ON SILENT OR VIBRATE. IF YOU NEED TO TAKE A CALL

[1.  Approval of Minutes]

IF YOU NEED TO LEAVE DURING THE MEETING, PLEASE DO SO QUIETLY.

THE FIRST ITEM FOR ACTION ON THE COMMISSION AGENDA IS APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES OF THE NOVEMBER 7 MEETING OF THE

PLANNING COMMISSION. DO I HEAR A MOTION?>> SECOND.

>> FOR PROMOTION AND A SECOND, ANY DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

[Public Comment]

SO, I'M GOING TO OPEN THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD.

I AM NOT CERTAIN, SOME OF THESE CARDS, LET'S SEE.

I HAD ONE CAR FROM K MCBRIDE FOR THE FIRST PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD BUT IS THAT ON ITEM FOR? ITEM 4: OKAY.

AS ANYONE WHO WANTS TO MAKE A GENERAL COMMENT DURING THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD? YES, MA'AM.

MISS WEBER, I DO HAVE A CARD FOR MS. WEBER.

WHEN YOU COME TO THE PODIUM TO SPEAK, PLEASE IDENTIFY YOURSELF BY NAME AND ADDRESS. THERE ARE THREELIGHTS ON THE PODIUM, GREEN, YELLOW AND RED . YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO

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MS. WEBER, PLEASE GIVE US YOUR NAME, ADDRESS AND COMMENTS .

>> (STATES NAME AND ADDRESS). THIS IS JUST REAL QUICK.

I DO HAVE SOMETHING TO TALK TO MATT, BUT I WAS PRESENT AT YOUR NOVEMBER 7 MEETING AND THEY WERE SOMETHING THAT YOU SAID THAT KIND OF HIT HOME ORCHIDS TOO HARD ON SOME STUFF.

I JUST WANT TO LET YOU KNOW, YOU TALK ABOUT, I OWN A BUSINESS. 14 YEARS HERE IN CLAY COUNTY.

WE ARE CHANGING CODES FOR BUSINESSES, RIGHT? YOU'RE THINKING AGRICULTURAL INTO COMMERCIAL AND STUFF LIKE THAT. MY BUSINESS DEALS WITH AGRICULTURE. SO, WHEN YOU TAKE AWAY THE AGRICULTURAL LAND IN GREEN SPACE, YOU TAKE AWAY FROM ME FEEDING MY FAMILY AND MY EMPLOYEES FEELING BEARS.

HE WAS SPOKE ABOUT SEVEN PEOPLE COMING UP AND BUSINESSES THAT YOU ALL KNEW, THAT YOU ARE GOOD, LET'S HELP OUT THERE I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT WERE THESE BUSINESSES .

JUST ALSO KNOW THAT WHEN YOU WERE SAYING HOW GREAT THEY ARE AND WE NEED TO DO THIS, IT'S GREAT FOR THAT, WE TAKE AWAY THE AGRICULTURAL ZONING, YOU'RE TAKING AWAY FROM SOMEBODY ELSE'S BUSINESS AND YOUR TAKING AWAY FROM MINE.

I JUST WANTED TO INFORM YOU OF THAT.

I WANTED TO SPEAK ON SOMETHING ELSE BUT THAT IS HIT WHEN YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT HOW GREAT THOSE BUSINESSES WERE.

YOU MIGHT KNOW THEM, IT SEEMS LIKE YOU ALL DID, YOU MIGHT HAVE BEEN TO MY BUSINESS OR USE MY BUSINESS BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT AGRICULTURE, BUT WHEN YOU TAKE AWAY THE AGRICULTURAL ZONING, YOU TAKE AWAY FROM MY BUSINESS AND MY EMPLOYEES THAT ARE HERE.

I AM A LIFELONG RESIDENT OF GREEN COVE SPRINGS.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU MISS WEBER.

AS ANYONE ELSE WISHES BETWEEN THE FIRST OPEN PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD? I SEE AT HAND, DID YOU WANT TO MAKE A COMMENT? PLEASE GIVE US YOUR NAME AND

YOUR ADDRESS, PLEASE. >> (STATES NAME AND ADDRESS).

WHEN EXACTLY WILL I BE AFFORDED THE TIME TO QUESTION APPLICANTS? SO THE PRESENT APPLICATION, YOU SIT HERE AND DO NOTHING AT THE END WE ARE TOLD TO LEAVE?

>> OUR PROCEDURE IS THAT WE HEAR THE FACTS LIKE WE ARE IN A COURT. EVERYBODY HAS TO SAY ABOUT THE FACTS AND THEIR OPINIONS, SO WE HEAR FROM THE STAFF WITH THEIR RECOMMENDATION, WE HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT, WE HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC. OUR JOB IS TO LISTEN TO EVERYTHING THAT IS SAID TODAY AND MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE COUNTY COMMISSION. IT IS IN THE NATURE OF OUR QUASIJUDICIAL PROCEEDING, JUST LIKE IN A COURT OF LAW LAW, YOU WILL NOT ADDRESS THE QUESTION TO A JUDGE, YOU WOULD PRESENT THE FACTS AND THE JUDGE FINDS THE FACTS AND DECIDE WHAT THE APPLICABLE LAW IS. HOWEVER, IF YOU HAVE A NEED TO SPEAK TO A COMMISSIONER, YOU CAN ALWAYS CONTACT THEM BEFORE OR AFTER THE MEETING. I HAVE BEEN CONQUERED BY THE PUBLIC BEFORE, JUST AS YOU CAN CONTACT YOUR COMMISSIONER FOR ANY CONCERNS YOU HAVE. THE STAFF IS HEREDURING BUSINESS HOURS . THEY CAN BE CONTACTED BY THE PUBLIC, THEIR COUNTER SERVICE AS WELL.

THE APPLICANT IS HERE TONIGHT, USUALLY.

I RECOMMEND IF YOU HAVE NOT BEEN IN TOUCH WITH THE APPLICANT, THAT YOU LEAVE THE MEETING WHEN THEY DO AND TALK WITH THEM IN EXCHANGE CONTACT INFORMATION.

ALL OF THE INFORMATION WE DEAL WITH IS PUBLIC RECORD.

THE INFORMATION ABOUT THOSE PEOPLE IS ON THE WEBSITE.

I HOPE THAT HELPS YOU UNDERSTAND.

>> IN CLAY COUNTY GOVERNMENT, YOU COME TO COURT AND SUE FOR MEDIATION PRIOR TO TWO PEOPLE GOING OUT - - SEND THEIR LACKEYS TO DO IT FOR THEMSELVES INSTEAD OF DOING IT FOR THEMSELVES. THE CONSCIENTIOUS NEIGHBOR? THAT IS NOT ACCEPTABLE. ALSO, YOU REFERENCE THE BCA WEBSITE AS TO WHEN THIS MEETING IS SUPPOSED TO START.

THE COMMISSIONER, MICHAEL BROWN RIGHT HERE, 6:00 P.M.. 6:00 P.M., NOT FIVE. FROM ANY CORNER OF THIS COUNTY, IT TAKES 38 MINUTES. PEOPLE ARE HAVING TO TAKE TIME

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YOU HAVE NOT GIVEN PEOPLE ENOUGH TIME, GET TO TAKE OFF TWO WEEKS IN A ROW REGULAR OFF TIME AND 5:00 OFF TIME.

THIS IS YOURS TO KEEP, YOU CANNOT REPRESENTING THAT IS NOT CORRECT IN ALMOST EVERY MEETING BETWEEN 5:00 P.M. AND 6:00 P.M.

GOING WAY BACK TWINS WAS CHANGED MAY BE CALLED INTO QUESTION. SO WITH THAT, I WILL TAKE MY THREE MINUTES. THIS BOARD HAS GIFTED THE COUNTY THEIR TIME TO LOOK AT WHAT THE IMPACT IS OF EACH AND EVERY CASE BROUGHT BEFORE THEM. THE RESIDENCES AND THOSE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THESE COMMUNITIES, AND THE RURAL COMMUNITIES HAVE BUILT THEIR LIVES AROUND IT AND AS WE MAY LOOK STUPID OR INTO COMMERCIAL WHICH IS A DRASTIC OVERALL OF THE CHANGE TO A

MASTER PLAN. >> I THINK WE HAVE GONE WAY BEYOND HER THREE MINUTES SIR. I THINK THE TIMER STARTED

AGAIN. >> IT IS JUST A MATTER OF QUERIES. FOR CLARIFICATION MEETING WHEN THE APPLICANT MAKES A STATEMENT OR A BOARD MEMBER MAKES AN INQUIRY AS A MATTER OF CLARIFICATION AND ANY REVISIONS

THEY SUBMIT ARE INCORRECT. >> THANK YOU FOR YOUR PARTICIPATION.IS ANYONE ELSE WISHES TO SPEAK DURING THE FIRST PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD? PLEASE COME FORWARD AND STATE YOUR NAME. IF YOU DIDN'T.TURN IN A CARD, YOU WILL NEED TO TURN ONE INTO MISS BLANCHETTE BEFORE YOU LEAVE. PLEASE TAKE YOUR NAME, YOUR ADDRESS AND TAKE HER THREE MINUTES.

>> (STATES NAME AND ADDRESS). HERE WE ARE AGAIN.

I DID NOT SAY MUCH LAST TIME, I AM LIKE THE OTHER LADY BEFORE ME ABOUT YOU ALL REZONING. I WENT TO COLLEGE IN JACKSONVILLE AND WHEN I WENT TO COLLEGE IN JACKSONVILLE, WHEN I CHOSE TO GO TO COLLEGE HERE, I DID NOT CHOOSE TO LIVE IN TOWN, I CHOSE TO LIVE IN MIDDLEBURG AND THAT WAS IN 1987 SO I'M TELLING YOU MY AGE. I CHOSE TO MOVE BACK TO MIDDLEBURG AND WHEN I CAME BACK, I SEE THE CHANGES THAT I DON'T LIKE. I AM A NATIVE FLORIDIAN FROM NORTH FLORIDA AND I SEE CHANGES IN MY SMALL TOWN, THEY'RE PUSHING THE AGRICULTURE OUT AND RUNNING PEOPLE OUT OF THE SUBURB THAT WE CHOOSE TO LIVE IN.

WE WANT PEOPLE ARE BEHIND, WE WANT TO BE IN THE COUNTRY.

WE DON'T WANT A COMMERCIAL BUILDING 3 TO 500 FEET FROM OUR FRONT YARD I LIVE IN COLLIER COUNTY FOR 20 YEARS AFTER, EDUCATION, THEY DID THE SAME THING IN NAPLES FLORIDA.

PUSH EVERYONE OUT OF THEIR HOMES AND PUT HIGHWAYS IN YOUR FRONT YARDS LIKE THEY ARE DOING HERE AND IT IS SO UNFAIR WHEN YOU ARE ALL SUPPOSED TO REPRESENT THE TAXPAYER, THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE ON HIS PROPERTIES THAT HAVE CHOSEN TO LIVE OUT IN THE COUNTRY. WE DON'T WANT A CITY, AND WE DON'T WANT Y'ALL TO TAKE AWAY OUR AGRICULTURE, WE NEED IT.

I AM ALL ABOUT BUILDING A BUSINESS, TOTALLY.

BUT NOT AT THE EXPENSE OF PEOPLE THAT HAVE BUILT THEIR LIVES TO LIVE IN THE COUNTRY. [APPLAUSE].

>> A LOT OF THINGS TO DO TONIGHT AND WE DO NOT HAVE APPLAUSE AND COMMENTS FROM THE ATTENDEES HERE.

IS ANYONE ELSE WHO WANTS TO SPEAK DURING THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD? PLEASE COME FORWARD, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND IF YOU HAVE NOT GIVEN MISS BLANCHETTE A CARD, PLEASE DO SO AFTER THE MEETING.

>> THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR AND FELLOW BOARD MEMBERS, I WILL MAKE A QUICK THIS IS MY FIRST TIME COMING TO ONE OF THESE MEETINGS SO I APOLOGIZE FOR MY IGNORANCE ON HOW TO CONDUCT IT.

I AM PRESENTLY THE HOA PRESIDENT OF FELLOW SPRINGS.

(STATES NAME AND ADDRESS). I BELIEVE IT IS ITEM 9 THAT IS ON YOUR AGENDA THAT I WOULD LIKE TO TALK TO AFTERLISTENING

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>> YES, SIR, YOU CAN SPEAK DURING THAT TIME.

>> THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. >> ANYONE ELSE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT?IF NOT, I'M PRETTY CLOSE TO PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD.

AS YOU CAN SEE, WE DO HAVE A LINK THE AGENDA TONIGHT AND I'M THINKING SOME OF YOU AS THE GENTLEMAN REMARKED ARE HERE FOR PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING FOR THE FIRST TIME.DO WE HAVE MANY PEOPLE IF YOU WOULD RAISE YOUR HANDS? I THOUGHT IT MIGHT BE HELPFUL TO TRY AND EXPLAIN WHAT WE DO AND HOW WE DO IT. I WANT TO MAKE ONE COMMENT, CITIZEN PARTICIPATION IS THE BACKBONE OF OUR DEMOCRATIC FORM OF GOVERNMENT. YOUR PRESENCE HERE IS IMPORTANT AND APPRECIATED. ALL THE PLANNING COMMISSIONERS ARE VOLUNTEERS APPOINTED BY THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS.

WE SERVED TWO YEARS TERMS AND MUCH REAPPLY IF WE WISH TO CONTINUE TO SERVE. AS I SAID EARLIER, THE COMMISSION'S DECISION OUR ADVISORY TO THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS. THE ORDER IN WHICH WE HANDLE EACHAPPLICATION IS THIS . EACH ITEM ON THE AGENDA AS PRESENTED BY A MEMBER OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING DEPARTMENT AS A PART OF THE PRESENTATION, THE STAFF MEMBER WILL INDICATE WHETHER THEY RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE APPLICATION FOR A REQUESTED LAND-USE OR ZONING CHANGE.

THEN, THE APPLICANT, THE PERSON THAT FILED THE REQUEST FOR THE CHANCE TO SPEAK. AND FOLLOWING THAT PRESENTATION, THE APPLICANT PRESENTATION, MEMBERS OF THE POOL MAY OFFER THEIR VIEW SIMILAR TO WHAT WE HAVE EXPERIENCED DURING THE OPEN COMMENT PERIOD, SAME RULES, THREE MINUTES. GIVE MISS BLANCHETTE A CARD, STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS.

EVERYONE WHO WANTS TO SPEAK DURING A PUBLIC HEARING ON THE SPECIFIC APPLICATION NEEDS TO TAKE THE OATH WHICH IS ADMINISTERED BY MISS BLANCHETTE JUST A FEW MINUTES.THAT IS AN OLD, THE SAME WHEN YOU WOULD TAKE IF YOU WERE TESTIFYING IN A COURT OF LAW. EVERYONE WHO PLANS TO SPEAK WILL DO THAT ALL AT ONCE. IF YOU ARE NOT SURE WHETHER YOU WANT TO SPEAK OR NOT, GO AHEAD AND TAKE THE OATH.

AND AGAIN AS WE STATED PREVIOUSLY, YOUR TIME AT THE PODIUM IS FOR STATING YOUR VIEWS.NOT FOR ASKING QUESTIONS OF ANY OF THE PEOPLE THAT ARE PRESENTING OR MAKING DECISIONS TONIGHT FOR THEIR OTHER TIMES AND PLACES FOR THAT HAVE ALREADY REVIEWED THOSE. IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT, PLEASE REMAIN AFTER THE MEETING AND WE WILL TRY TO HELP YOU. AFTER THE STAFF, THE APPLICANT AND PUBLIC HAVE ALL HAD A CHANCE TO STATE THEIR VIEWS, THE COMMISSIONERS WILL DISCUSS THE MATTER IF NECESSARY AND RENDER A DECISION. I DO HOPE THIS EXPLANATION IS HELPFUL TO YOU. I THINK YOU AND COMMEND YOU FOR YOUR PRESENCE HERE TONIGHT. AT THIS TIME.

>> MADAM CHAIR, YOU MIGHT WANT TO ADD THAT AFTER THE PUBLIC COMMENTS, THE APPLICANT IS GIVEN A CHANCE TO RESPOND.

IF THEY DO HAVE A QUESTION, THEY MAY POSE THE QUESTION, BUT IT WILL NOT BE ANSWERED REAL TIME.THE APPLICANT WILL HEAR PIT AND HELP THEM RESPOND TO ITD IN THEIR RESPONSE, BUT WE WILL

[1.  Public Hearing to consider adoption of COMP-0723-00008 and PUD-0723-00009. (District 4, Comm. Condon) (B. Carson)]

ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS. >> THANK YOU COMMISSIONER PUCKHABER. AT THIS TIME WE ASK MISS BLANCHETTE TO SWEAR ANYONE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK ANY OF THE

PUBLIC HEARINGS. >> TO YOU ALL SOLEMNLY SWEAR THEIR TESTIMONY WERE ABOUT TO GIVE WILL BE THE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH SO HELP YOU GOD?

>> YES I DO. >> THANK YOU.

PUBLIC HEARING NUMBER ONE ON THE AGENDA CONTINUE FOR MY NOVEMBER SEVENTH MEETING IS COMP0723-00008 WHICH IS

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ITEMS. >> THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR.

THE APPLICANT FOR BOTH OF THESE ITEMS IS OUR AND OUR REAL ESTATE HOLDINGS LLC. THE AGENT FOR THE APPLICATION IS JANET FLEET, THE REQUESTED APPLICATION IS A SMALL-SCALE LAND-USE LIMIT OF 7.54 ACRES FOR RURAL RESIDENTIAL TO COMMERCIAL, AND THE ZONING ASPECT OF THIS IS A MAP AMENDMENT OF 10.52 ACRES FROM NEIGHBORHOOD BUSINESS VA INTERMEDIATE BUSINESS, PRIVATE SERVICES AND AGRICULTURAL RESIDENTIAL TO PLAN COMMERCIAL DISTRICT.

THE PLANNING DISTRICT IS MIDDLEBURG CLAY HILL, IT IS COMMISSIONER CONDON'S DISTRICT AND THIS WILL BE HEARD AT THE NEXT BOARD MEETING WHICH IS NEXT TUESDAY AT 5:00 P.M.. A LITTLE BACKGROUND ON THIS PROJECT, THE LOCATION OF THE PROJECT IS WEST SIDE OF LANDING, NORTH OF THE INTERSECTION OF LANDING AND COUNTY ROAD 215.

THE PARCEL COMPRISES MOST OF THE BLOCK BETWEEN LANDING, ROSEMARY STREET, PRIMROSEAND ALLIGATOR BOULEVARD .

THE PROPERTY IS OWNED BY IMC CONSTRUCTION GROUP WHICH IS OCCUPIED THE SITE SINCE 1982, AND THE PURPOSE FOR THIS REQUESTED APPLICATION FOR LAND-USE CHANGE IN REZONING IS TO ALLOW THE BUSINESS TO EXPAND AND ALSO TO PROVIDE FOR FIRST THE SURROUNDING RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY.

THE MAP ON THE LEFT IS THE LAND-USE PARCELS AND IN FRONT OF THOSE PARCELS ON LANDING, THOSE ARE ALREADY COMMERCIAL.

THOSE ONLY TO BE CHANGED COMMERCIAL.THERE ON THE RIGHT IS THE FULL PCD INCLUDING COMMERCIAL BECAUSE IT WILL BE A COMPLETE PLAN COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT ENCOMPASSING ALL THE PARCELS. AS I JUST DESCRIBED, THE LAND-USE MAP IS ON THE LEFT. YELLOW IS THE RURAL RESIDENTIAL, RED IS COMMERCIAL, AND THERE ON THE RIGHT SHOWS THE PROPOSED LAND USE. THE EXISTING ZONING IS - -.

THEY'RE PROPOSING TO GO TO A PCD FOR THE ENTIRE PROPERTY.

THIS IS A SITE PLAN FOR THE PROPERTY THAT THEY ARE PROPOSED. YOU WILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH DEVELOPMENT REVIEW. THEY'RE PROPOSING AN OFFICE BUILDING UPON LANDING. THEY HAD THE TWO RESIDENTIAL UNITS THEY'RE PROPOSING FOR STORAGE IN THE AGENT'S HEARING TALK FURTHER ABOUT WHAT THE PLANS ARE FOR THE APPLICANT.

WHEN THIS CAME BEFORE YOU LAST MONTH, THE APPLICANT HAD A BROAD RANGE OF PCD SAID THEY WERE ALLOWING INCLUDING ALL THE DD USES ALONG WITH ADDITIONAL BUSINESS, COMMERCIAL, PROFESSIONAL OFFICE, ETC. AT THAT TIME, YOU HAPPEN TO BE LITTLE SPECIFIC ON WHAT THE USES WERE AND LIMITED TO WHAT THEY WANTED, AND NOT INCLUDE THE EXTRA USES OFGROCERY STORE , MINIGOLF AND EVERYTHING ELSE THAT COMES UNDER THE DD.

THE LIST IS ON THE LEFT OF WHAT THEY ORIGINALLY PROPOSING ON THE RIGHT IS WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING NOW WHICH WILL INCLUDE REPAIR GARAGES, COMMERCIAL HEATING, AIR CONDITIONING, PLUMBING, ELECTRICAL SHOCKS, BUILDING SUPPLY MATERIALS, FABRICATORS, FOR COMMERCIAL BUSINESS, PROFESSIONAL OFFICES, WAREHOUSING, FABRICATION, STORAGE, TRACTOR-TRAILERS, DWELLING UNITS AND COMMUNICATION ANTENNA AND COMMUNICATION TOWERS.

THIS IS TRIMMED DOWN TO THE USES THAT IMC WOULD BE NEEDING.

THERE WAS ALSO A CONCERN ABOUT THE HEIGHT THAT WAS ORIGINALLY PROPOSED WHICH IS A 60 FOOT HEIGHT LIMITATION AND THAT HAS BEEN REVISED TO A 35 FOOT HEIGHT LIMITATION.

THE OTHER CONCERN WAS PERIMETER WERE BUFFERS LISTED AS A TEMPLATE FOR MANY RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES AND THAT HAS BEEN LIMITED TO A 20 FOOT - - BASICALLY INVOLVES A 6 FOOT VISUAL BUFFER. AS FAR AS ANALYSIS THAT HAS BEEN INCLUDED IN THE STAFF REPORT, THERE ARE NO NEGATIVE IMPACTS SERVICES BY THIS APPLICATION.

FUTURE LAND USE POLICY 1.48 - - COMMERCIAL, INDUSTRIAL OR INSTITUTIONAL THAT EXHIBIT A UNIFIED PLAN DEVELOPMENT THIS PROPERTY IS BOUNDED BY CHURCHES WHICH ARE THE INSTITUTIONAL ASPECT AND THEY'RE PROPOSING A UNIFIED PLAN OF DEVELOPMENT THROUGH THE PCD. AGAIN, THE FINDINGS ON THIS,

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AND ZONING PUD-0723-00009. >> THANK YOU MISS CARSON, ARE THEREANY QUESTIONS FOR CLARIFICATION FROM THE

COMMISSION ? >> MADAM CHAIR, I HAVE ONE.

THE ACCESS TO THIS IS OFF OF LANDING BOULEVARD, THOSE THAT

CURB CUT EXIST TODAY? >> I BELIEVE IT DOES.

>> THE WILL OF THE APPLICANT ANSWERED IF YOU ARENOT SURE .

>> THANK YOU.ME APPLICANT AGENT JANET FLEET AT THIS TIME.

>> THANK YOU MADAM CHAIRMAN, I APPRECIATE COMING BACK AND HOPEFULLY, I HAVE TRIED HARD TO ADDRESS HER COMMENTS FROM OUR LAST MEETING AND I APPRECIATE YOU GIVE ME THE TIME TO DO IT.

IMC IS A REALLY GOOD BUSINESS FOR CLAY COUNTY.

THEY EMPLOY A MINIMUM OF 50 EMPLOYEES ON SITE, ESTIMATORS, PROJECT MANAGERS ETC. THERE ALSO EMPLOY OVER 500 PEOPLE AND THEIR BUSINESSES BUT THEY DO WORK IN THE CARIBBEAN AND A LOT OF DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE CONTRACTORS.

WORLDWIDE, LIVE A MAJOR IMPACT AND GOOD FOR CLAY COUNTY.

AS MISS CARSON MENTIONED, WE REDUCE THE USESTO WHAT THEY'RE PLANNING ON . AS PARALLEL TRACKS, THEY ARE WORKING ON THE ARCHITECTURE FOR THE EXPANSION OF THE BUILDING AND THE BUILDING FOOTPRINT WE SAW THAT USE ON THE SITE PLAN, IT'S BASICALLY THE BUILDING THAT THEY ARE UNDER DESIGN FOR WHICH WILL BE CLOSE TO EITHER DEPENDING HOW THEY FINISH EVERYTHING, THE SWING OF $46 MILLION LESS THAN OF A STRUCTURE FUNDING IN CLAY COUNTY WHICH I THINK IS NICE FOR THAT AREA.AS WE SAID, WE WILL REDUCE THE HEIGHT, WE REDUCE THE USES AND TO THE ONES THAT IMC NEEDS TO BE HERE, I HAVE TWO PRESIDENTS OF THE VARIOUS COMPANIES TO ADDRESS ANY OPERATIONAL QUESTIONS THAT I MIGHT NOT UNDERSTAND.

AS WE SAID, WEADDED THE PERIMETER BUFFER .

THIS IS THE EXISTING BUILDING AS ELUCIDATED, THE PROPERTIES AND WHAT I, TRIANGLE PIECES PRETTY MUCH BEING USED THE WINDOW REZONING TOMATO LIKE IT SHOULD BE.

THE EXISTING OFFICES HERE KIND OF HAVE TWOPIECES AND YOU CAN SEE THAT CURB CUT THAT IS COMING OFF OF LANDING .

IN THE MIDDLE AREA, THAT IS GOING TO BE THERE FOR THEY HAVE, WHICH IS UNIQUE TO THE SITE, THERE IS A MAJOR 100 FOOT HIGH UTILITY EASEMENT WHICH YOU WILL SEE A PICTURE THAT IS USED FOR HIGH-VOLTAGE ELECTRIC THAT PROVIDES A BUFFER .IN THE REAR ARE TWO SINGLE-FAMILY HOUSES, EACH ONE IS ON A PARCEL THAT IS OVER AN ACRE. ONE IS 1.1 AND THE OTHER IS 1.2. THE GOAL IS TO HAVE STAFF LIVE THERE AS A CARETAKER ON THE PROPERTY.

IN THE FUTURE POTENTIALLY WOULD USE DOCUMENT STORAGE, BUT THERE WOULD BE NO OUTSIDE STORAGE ON THE SIDE.

YOU MAY NOT BE ABLE TO TELL WHAT HAPPENS IN THE BUILDING.

THE FIRST INITIAL RETAINS IT FOR EMPLOYEES ON THESITE .

NEXT PARCEL. THAT TOO MUCH TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF THE IMPACT OF THAT 100 FOOT EASEMENT, THAT IS BY SCALE HOW WIDELY EASEMENT IS I WILL SHOW YOU IN THE PICTURE ON THE NEXT SLIDE, IT'S FOR HIGH VELOCITY AS YOU CAN SEE IN THE MIDDLE PICTURE, FOR CLAY ELECTRIC AND FTN L. IT PROVIDES A WONDERFUL BUFFER BETWEEN THE OTHER RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES IN THE BLANDING BOULEVARD PROPERTIES DEVELOPMENT THAT IS BEING PROPOSED. IT CAN'T BE MOVED, YOU CAN'T

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THE THUNDER LOCATED IN THAT AREA.

I THINK IT IS A GOOD PROJECT AND I APPRECIATE STAFFS RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL AND PERMITS ECONOMIC RECOVERY FOR THE COUNTY. I WILL ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

>> THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS?

COMMISSIONER BOURRE. >> THANK YOU FOR GOING BACK TO THEIR CLIENT AND MAKING THE CHANGES AND HEARING THE SOUND OF SOMETHING TANGIBLE. THE ONLY QUESTION I HAD WAS ABOUT THE ANTENNA. THE REQUEST FOR THE ANTENNA,

WHAT IS THAT FOR? >> I THINK IT IS BECAUSE OF THE LOCATION. WE DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY

INTENT. >> (STATES NAME AND ADDRESS).

WE HAVE SEVERAL IMC FAMILY COMPANIES AND ONE IS FIRE PROTECTION DIVISION BUT DOES THE FIRE ALARM.

WE WERE THINKING DOWN THE ROAD WE WOULD LIKE THEM TO HAVE AN ANTENNA THAT MAY BE USED FOR COMMUNICATION WITH CUSTOMERS DOWN THE ROAD. WE KIND OF WHAT THAT IN THERE FOR THAT POTENTIAL FUTURE USE. THAT'S NOT ON THE HORIZON RIGHT

NOW. >> THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICTION, THAT MAKES SENSE .

>> ONE MORE THING I FORGOT TO MENTION, WE DID CONTACT VIA EMAIL, WE HAD A DISCUSSION AFTER YOUR LAST METING AS WELL AS CONTACTED THE ADJOINING NEIGHBOR JULY I EMAILED HIM ON THE NOVEMBER 11, THE 18TH AND FINALLY GOT A RESPONSE IN THE 21ST THAT HE WOULD RESPOND TO ME WITH HIS CONCERNS .

I DID NOT HEAR ANYTHING AND WHEN WE WERE CHANGING THE DATES ON THE SIGNS FOR TONIGHT'S MEETING, THE EMPLOYEE FROM IMC, WHEN HE SAID HE WANTED TO DISCUSS SOMETHING SAID I AM THE APPLICANT WORKING WITH LAND USE AND ZONING, SO PLEASE CONTACT ME. WE DID REACH OUT IN VARIOUS WAYS. I MEANT TO PUT THAT ON THE

RECORD. >> THANK YOU.

OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION? IF THERE ARE NONE, THANK YOU MISS FLEET.

AT THIS TIME, I WILL OPEN PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS MATTER.

I HAVE SEVERAL CARDS, THE FIRST ONE IS FOR MIKE L.

>> (STATES NAME AND ADDRESS). LIVING DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM THE TWO RESIDENTIAL LOTS ON PRIMROSE AVENUE.

WHAT IMC IS TRYING TO DO, THERE IS NO PROBLEM WITH THAT.

THAT IS GREAT, LET THEM IMPROVE THEIR BUILDING, BUSINESS ETC., BRING THE JOB UNBLINDED. THAT'S FINE.

BLACK CREEK PARK WAS DEVELOPED AS AN AR PART OF ACRE LOT RESIDENTS AND SMALL FARMERS AND AGRICULTURE RESIDENTS.

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35 FEET, OKAY ON LANDING BEEN ON THE TWO PRIMROSE LOTS.

THERE ARE PICTURES OF THE OF THEEXISTING CONTAINERS .

IT'S ALLOWED. WHY ASK FOR IT TO BE ALLOWED AND INCLUDED IF THAT IS NOT YOUR INTENT? 10 FEET FROM THE FENCE ONLY HAVING TO PUT UP 21ST ROAD 32 6 FEET HIGH OVER 10 YEARS AND 4 FEET WIDE WHICH ILLUSTRATED TO YOU AS WELL? THESE ARE STILL OUT THERE LOOKING TO CONFORM TO THEY ARE STACKED TOO HIGH AND IT HAS AN 8 FOOT FENCE ALL THE WAY AROUND.

THIS PICTURE DEPICTED IS A DIRT ROAD.

IT'S HIGHLY TRAFFICKED BY OVERSIZED VEHICLES.

THE TEST IS INCREDIBLE. COMMERCIAL BUSINESS, COMMERCIAL TRUCKS. ARE WE TALKING ABOUT 18 WHEELERS BEING ABLE TO PARK THERE? OKAY, THAT'S A LOT OF DUST. THERE IS NO WATER IN THERE OR FIRE HYDRANT NEARBY. IN THE BACK OF MY LIST TO GET IN THE BACK. PLEASE CONSIDER THAT.

THESE ARE TWO RESIDENTIAL LOTS. THEY SHOULD STAY RESIDENTIAL AND CONFORM TO THERESIDENTIAL REQUIREMENTS .

IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE, SETBACKS, NOT 10 FOOT SETBACK FROM THE FRONT ON A RESIDENTIAL STREET. APPROVAL OF IT IN ITS EXISTING FORM IS I THINK NOT OBJECTIONABLE CONSIDERING THE FACT THAT HAVE YET BEEN GIVEN TO YOU, IF YOU HAVE NOT ALL WALK THE PROPERTY. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. I HAVE ACQUIRED FROM S WALKER, IS THERE A CAPITAL S WALKER THAT WANTS TO SPEAK ON THIS?

PLEASE COME FORWARD AND MAKE A COMMENT.>> (STATES NAME AND ADDRESS). I HATE TO SAY I FEEL LIKE THIS IS A WASTE OF TIME, THAT I PRINTED OUT SO MUCH STUFF.

IT'S SO UNFAIR. WE ALSO GO AROUND KNOCKING ON DOORS GOING TO NEVER TO THAT ANNOYING THING ABOUT THIS.

BUT AS WE ARE SAYING, MY BIG THING IS I KNOW WHAT IMC WANTS TO DO, THAT IS ALL GOOD I'M AFRAID THAT IN THE FUTURE THEY WILL WANT TO SELL OUT AND THEY HAVE ALL THE OTHER THINGS ON THE RIGHT SIDE THAT YOU ALL CHANGE OR THEY CHANGE.

THAT IS NOT MUCH OF A DIFFERENCE THAN THE PREVIOUS.

THAT IS WHAT I'M WORRIED ABOUT, IF THEY SELL IN THE FUTURE, THEY WILL HAVE ALL THOSE OTHER THINGS ON B POTENTIALLY IN OUR FRONT YARD. IF YOU SHOW YOU ALL THE PICTURE OF PRIMROSE AND HOW LOVELY IT WAS, YOU DON'T REALLY SEE HOW CLOSE OUR DRIVEWAY IS TO THAT OVER THERE.

AND THE NOISE. IF A COMMERCIAL THING COMES IN LATER WHICH THEY DECIDE TO SELL, WE WILL BE DEALING WITH HOMELESS PEOPLE, GOD REST HER SOUL, STINK, COMMERCIAL USE.

IT IS JUST NOT FAIR TO PEOPLE WHO LIVED THERE.

THAT IS A RESIDENTIAL AREA. THE NEXT PERSON THAT COMES IN AND BUYS IT, THEY MAY WORK ALL NIGHT LONG ENOUGH TO LISTEN TO A WELDER ON THE MACHINE ALL NIGHT AND MY FRONT DOOR THE BEDROOM. IT JUST FEELS LIKE YOU ALL APPROVED THIS BEFORE WE EVEN STARTED ALL OF THIS FROM THE

GET-GO, IT JUST FEELS THAT WAY. >> THANK YOU, WE HAVE A CARD

FROM MARGARET SEELEY. >> SHE IS AN OLD LADY, 88 YEARS

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I'M NOT HERE TO ARGUE LIKE THIS, I JUST FEEL LIKE IT'S REALLY UNFAIR TO NOT JUST ME, OTHER PEOPLE THAT HAVE HOMES THAT DON'T WANT THIS IN THEIR FRONT YARD.

WE DON'T WANT THE NOISE, WE DON'T WANT THE TRAFFIC, AND WE DON'T WANT WAS COMING DOWN THE ROAD IN THE FUTURE I KNOW EVENTUALLY THAT IS WHAT WILL HAPPEN.

IT'S JUST NOT FAIR TO OTHER HOMEOWNERS.

>> THANK YOU, IS ANYONE ELSE THAT WANTED TO SPEAK THIS

AGENDA ITEM? >> (STATES NAME AND ADDRESS).

I AM THE CHAIR OF THE MIDDLEBURG CLAY HILL ADVISORY COMMISSION. WHEN WE VOTED ON THAT, WE HAD SOME CONCERN ABOUT THE HEIGHT OF THE BUILDING.

60 FEET. THE CONCERN OF THE TIME WAS THAT IT MIGHT BE - - IS NOT FOR THAT, THEY HAVE A LOT OF HIGHER LIFT CRANES AND THAT TYPE OF STUFF THAT THEY CAN BRING A DATE TO WORK ON IT. WE WERE OKAY WITH THE HEIGHT OF THE BUILDING BEING AT 60 FEET. WE VOTED SEVEN ÃZERO TO APPROVE THE ZONING AND LAND-USE CHANGE FOR THE PROPERTY THERE.

WE WOULD LIKE TO SUPPORT AND ASK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT AND DAD. A LITTLE HISTORY OF THAT PLACE, I GO BACK SIX GENERATIONS IN CLAY COUNTY.

I AM 65 YEARS OLD AND HAVE BEEN AROUND MIDDLEBURG FOR A LONG TIME. THAT BUILDING WAS BUILT IT WAS A BOAT SALES, THEY SELL MOTORBOATS AND SAILBOATS.

THEN THE PEOPLE SOLD IT TO A SEPTIC TANK BUILDING, THEY GOT SEPTIC TANKS THERE. WHEN THEY MOVE THE BUSINESS AFTER CLAY COUNTY, THEY WOULD'VE TOLD THEM REALLY GOOD FOR THE AREA IN CLAY COUNTY. IT'S FOUR LANES, ALL THE WAY OUT THROUGH THERE. THE BIN A REALLY GOOD BUSINESS HERE IN CLAY COUNTY, SO WE ARE HAPPY THAT THEY CHOSE TO EXPAND IN OUR AREA.THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR.

>> DID ANYONE ELSE WANT TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? YOU CAN COME FORWARD. PLEASE GIVE US YOUR NAME AND

ADDRESS. >> (STATES NAME AND ADDRESS).

MY CONCERN IS THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT KIND OF KIDS PEOPLE THESE PEOPLE HIGHER.

THEY SAY THEY WANT TO TEAR IT DOWN AND USE IT FOR STORAGE BUT ASIDE THEY WANT TO USE IT FOR RESIDENTIAL FOR EMPLOYEES.

WIDENING TO COMMERCIALIZE THOSE PROPERTIES? THERE IS NO SOUND BUFFER ON MY PROPERTY THAT IS THEY ARE NOW.

THOSE ARE MY CONCERNS. THAT IS ALL ABOUT TO SAY, THANK

YOU. >> WOULD YOU BACKUP FOR THIS

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>> DOES ANYBODY ELSE WISH TO SPEAK IN ITEM 1? I DO NOT HAVE ANY MORE CARDS OR SEE ANY HANDS SO I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND BRING YOU BACK TO THE COMMISSION FOR

DISCUSSION. >> THE APPLICANT MIGHT WANT TO

RESPOND. >> MISLEAD?

>> I APPRECIATE THAT. IF YOU LOOK ON THE SITE PLAN, THEY ARE EXISTING, ABOUT 121 FEEDBACK FROMPRIMROSE .

AS YOU KNOW, WE SUBMITTED PCD, THE SITE PLAN EVERY DESCRIPTION ARE PART. THAT WOULD BE A SUBSTANTIAL CHANGE, I WOULD SIMPLY WANT THAT.

ONE OF THE REASONS TO INCLUDE THIS PROPERTY IS PART OF YOUR COMMENTS PLANS AND UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT MINIMUM OF 10 ACRES TO GET THROUGH THIS IN AN AREA WITH EXISTING COMMERCIAL.

THEY GOT THE ENTRANCE ON BLANDING THE MOBILE WATCH TRUCK TRAFFIC, THERE IS NO CONNECTION.

WE CANNOT EXPAND - - RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES BECAUSE THEY CAN'T GET THROUGH BECAUSE OF THE HIGH VOLTAGE LINES THAT

ARE THERE. >> IS KIND OF SEPARATE.

RESIDENTIAL WILL STAY ON PRIMROSE AND WITH THE DEVELOPMENT ALONG PLANNING BOULEVARD, THAT IS WHAT WE ARE

HOPING TO GET YOUR SUPPORT FOR. >> OTHER QUESTIONS?>> WHAT ARE THE RESTRICTIONS ON USING THE HOWARD EASON? WAS IT APPEALS POWERLINES ON THEIR.

ARE YOU ABLE TO CROSS IT WHEN YOU'RE GOING FROM THE FRONT BOARD TO THE BACK PART OF YOUR PROPERTY? CAN YOU CROSS UNDER THE POWER LINES?

>> IS ALSO HARD BECAUSE OF THE DRAINAGE IN THAT AREA.

IT REALLY CREATES A GOOD BUFFER SO THAT IS WHAT WE ARE

MAINTAINING. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? AT THIS TIME, PLEASE BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMISSION FOR

DISCUSSION. >> I WOULD LIKE TO I - - WE WERE QUITE CONCERNED ABOUT SOME OF THINGS THAT COULD HAPPEN THERE. THINK THE APPLICANT IS IN EVERYTHING THEY COULD TO DEAL WITH WE HAVE THOSE CONCERNS.

EVEN THE CLAY HILL CITIZENS COMMITTEE WAS OKAY WITH THE 60 FOOT HEIGHT, WE WERE NOT. IF YOU LOOK AT THE REVISED APPLICATION, IT'S ONLY 35 FEET NOW, WHICH IS PRETTY STANDARD IN THE COMMERCIAL ZONE IN THIS COUNTY.

I DIDN'T WANT SOME CLARIFICATION OF STAFF.

SOMEBODY MISSPOKE AND SAID THERE WAS ONLY A 10 FOOT BUFFE , ACCORDING TO THIS IS AT LEAST 15 FEET.

WE ARE FRONT SIDE AND BACK BUFFERS, WHERE DO THEY APPLY? WITH THE FRONT BUFFER APPLY ON PRIMROSE OR WOULD THAT BE CONSIDER WHAT BACK BUFFERING? MIKE THINKS HE KNOWS.

>> YOU WOULD BE OUT FRONT BUFFER FOR THE RESIDENTIAL

UNITS. >> IS UNIFIED PCD, SO WHAT

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COUNTS AS FRONT SIDE AND BACK? >> THE FRONT BUFFER APPLY TO THE ROAD FRONTAGE. PROPORTION OF PARTICIPANTS.

THAT WOULD APPLY TO. >> THIS ACTUALLY ROAD FRONTAGE ON ALL OF THIS. THAT'S ALL I HAD.

>> ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? COMMISSIONER DAVIS?>> I HAVE BEENDOING THIS A LONG TIME . MY CONCERN IS - - WE CONSIDER TO BE INTRUSION INTO THE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD WHICH IS WHAT THIS IS. IF YOU'RE GOING TO BE KEPT AS RESIDENTIAL OR PEOPLE ARE LIVING THERE, AND THEY SHOULD REMAIN ASRESIDENTIAL . WHEN WE STARTED TO THINK THE RESIDENTIAL AREAS, THIS IS BECAUSE YOU HAVE THIS THING GOING RIGHT TO THE RESIDENTIAL AREA.

THAT IS AN AREA OF CONCERN. THAT COUPLED WITH SOME OF THE ITEMS WE WERE ASKING FOR, SEMI TRUCKS AND THAT SORT OF STUFF, IT'S EASY TO SAY WE REALLY GOOD TO KEEP THE.

THINGS DON'T STAY THAT WAY. TRUCKS WILL BE PARKED THERE, CRANES WILL BE PARKED THERE. IT WOULD BE CLASSIFIED UNDER THE PCD UMBRELLA I CAN SUPPORT THIS BECAUSE OF THAT REASON

THERE. >> OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS

FOR THE COMMISSIONERS? >> I AM WILL TOSUPPORT THE APPLICATION . I JUST AS GOOD A TIME AS ANY GETTING HEADED TOTHE NEXT ITEM, JUST TO MAKE SOME GENERAL COMMENTS . I WANT EVERYONE TO UNDERSTAND, LIKE COMMISSIONER PUCKHABER SAID, WE TAKE YOUR FEEDBACK AND COMMENTS TO HEART. THAT IS NOT NECESSARILY MEAN WE AGREE WITH THEM, BUT THE LADY THAT CAME OUT, I WAS IN THE OF THE PEOPLE COMMENTED WHAT A GOOD BUSINESS HAS BEEN VERY THEY ACTIVELY ENGAGED IN THE CONDITION PROGRAMS AND TRYING TO BRING ON BULLYING. IT'S AN ELEMENT OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, THERE ARE A LOT OF REASONS TO DO WHATEVER WE CAN AS A GOVERNMENT BODY. WE ARE AN ADVISORY BODY - -. WE PUT THAT APPLICATION - - WITH THE APPLICATION APART.

THE APPLICATION WENT BACK TO HER CONCERNS AND BROUGHT BACK APPLICATION I COULD SUPPORT FOR THE REASON YOU ARE HERE TONIGHT IS BECAUSE CLAY COUNTY IS BOOMING.

I WANTED TO SHARE A FEW STATISTICS WITH YOU AND UNDERSTAND THE REALITY WE ARE ALL DEALING WITH.

CLAY COUNTY POPULATION HAS BEEN GROWING RAPIDLY.

A LITTLE OVER 30 YEARS AGO, THERE WERE OVER 106,000 PEOPLE IN CLAY COUNTY. WESTERN HALF OF THE PEOPLE WERE HERE RIGHT NOW. RIGHT NOW THERE ARE 227,000 PEOPLE IN CLAY COUNTY AND IS EXPECTED TO GROW.

THE STATE OF FLORIDA 1990, THERE WERE 13 PEOPLE IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA, NOW THERE ARE 22 MILLION PEOPLE IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA AND WILL CONTINUE TO GROW.

AS MORE PEOPLE COME HERE AND MULTIPLE MOVE HERE, WHAT A GREAT ESTATE WE HAVE OTHER PEOPLE WANT TO LEAVE OTHER STATES I COME HERE, THAT INCREASE DEMAND.

DEMAND FOR EVERYTHING. DEMAND FOR WATER, BEDS, HOUSING, FOOD AND ALL THAT STUFF.

THAT IS THE REALITY OF PEOPLE LIVE IN CLAY COUNTY AND FLORIDA. WE HAVE TO HAVE MORE HOMES, WE

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TO BE OF THE TWO MOTIONS? FOR THE FIRST PORTION, THE PLAN AMENDMENT I WILL RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THAT.

>> WE HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL OF THE LAND USE

CHANGE, IS THERE A SECOND. >> I WILL SECONDED.

>> WE HAVE A MOTION AND THE SECOND.

IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?ALL THOSE IN FAVOR , PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. AND HE OPPOSED, SAME TIME.THE REFORMATION FOR APPROVAL CARRIES ON THE LAND USED.

>> I WILL MAKE ANOTHER MOTION TO SUPPORT THE ZONING CHANGE THEM UP FOR THIS REVISED APPLICATION.

>> MADAM CHAIR, I WILL SECONDED BUT I WOULD LIKE TO COMMENT.

>> PLEASE GO AHEAD. >> THIS IS MORE OF A COMMENT OR A RECOMMENDATION TO THE APPLICANT.

BETWEEN NOW AND THE BCC MEETING, YOU MIGHT WANT TO LOOK AT THESE SETBACKS. THE DEEPER SETBACKS ARE NOT GOOD TO APPLY THE MAJORITY OF THE PERIMETER OF THE PROPERTY, OR PERHAPS PUT SOMETHING IN ABOUT A SETBACK ON PRIMROSE.

SOMETHING THAT WOULD ENCOURAGE. AS YOU SAID, THIS IS GOING TO BE IN THE SITE PLAN. YOU CAN CHANGE THINGS IN THE SITE PLAN WITHOUT COMING BACK. IT'S NOT GOING TO PREVENT ME

FROM VOTING FOR IT. >> ,AS THE POINT OF INFORMATIO ? I UNDERSTOOD THIS AS A PLANNER AND HOPEFULLY MR. BROWN, BECAUSE WE ARE ALSO FRONTAGE ROAD, THAT 35 FOOT SETBACK IS OFF OF ANY ROADWAY.

>> IS CONSIDERED FRONT SETBACK. YOUR FRONT SETBACKIS 15 FEET IN THIS APPLICATION . WHAT I THINK YOUR ATTENTION WAS

TO CREATE A BIGGER SETBACK. >> POINT OF CLARIFICATION, CAN WE ASK MS. CARSON TO CONFIRM THAT?

>> I THOUGHT IT WAS 35 FOOT FRONT.

>> I AM LOOKING AT IT. WHAT WE HAVE IN THE PACKAGE HERE FOR DESIGN GUIDELINES, MAXIMUM LOT COVERAGE AT 35%, WHICH IS PRETTY LOW. THE MINIMUM SETBACK IS 15 FEET, SIDE SETBACK IS 30 AND REAR SETBACK IS 30.

>> I HEAR YOU, THANK YOU. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND ON THE FLOOR. IS THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION

OR COMMENTS? >> MADAM CHAIR, THIS IS NOT FOR THE APPLICANT, BUT A GENERAL COMMENT, IT WOULD BEHOOVE THE APPLICANT TO MEET WITH DOWNTON SMITH OFF OF ALLIGATOR AND ADDRESS HIS CONCERNS. IF HE IS NOT MET WITH YOU, THAT

MEETING NEED TO HAPPEN. >> HE GETS A BIGGER SETBACKS BECAUSE HE IS NOT ON THE BOAT FRONTAGE.

>> ANYTHING FURTHER FROM THE COMMISSION?

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>> I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT.

>> COMMISSIONER ANZALONE. >> MY BIGGEST CONCERN WHEN WE SEE THESE ITEMS COME UP, I AGREE WITH - - IF THE CURRENT OWNERS OF THE PROPERTY IN ITS OWN FOR - - MAKING AN ENTRANCE OFF OF A RESIDENTIAL STREET, IF THEY COULD POSSIBLY SUBDIVIDE THE PROPERTY AND SELL THAT PIECE OF COMMERCIAL TO SOMEONE ELSE. YOU NEVER KNOW WHAT IS GOING IN THERE. I ALWAYS HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT BUT I ALSO HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE HEIGHT REQUIREMENTS.

ON THE COMMERCIAL PROPERTY, WE SHOULD BE INCREASING THE HEIGHT AND REQUIRE MORE OF A SOLID, OTHER THAN JUST A VEGETATIVE BUFFER. ESPECIALLY WHEN THERE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES CONNECTED TO IT AS WE SEE ON THIS PATH AS TO WHY I AM NOT SUPPORTING IT.

>> ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR DISCUSSION? IF NOT, I WILL CALL THE QUESTION, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. THOSE OPPOSED, SAME SIGN.IT CARRIES FOUR ÃTWO. AT THIS TIME, WE ARE READY TO

[2.  Public Hearing to Consider COMP0923-00012, Transmittal of Proposed Amendment to FLUM Changing 3145 Acres from AG, RR, IND, CO, and COMM to PC and to Amend Urban Service Area to Include the 3145 Acres (District 5, Comm. Burke)(E. Lehman and D. Selig)(Continued from last month)]

IT'S A PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER COMP0923-00012.

THIS IS ACTUALLY PLANNER CITY IS CHOOSING TO AMEND THE FUTURE LAND USE. IT IS TO CHANGE 3145 ACRES FROM EGG RURAL RESDENTIAL TO CONSERVATION OVERLAY AND COMMERCIAL TO PLANNED COMMUNITY AND EXTEND THE BOUNDARIES OF THE URBAN SERVICE AREA IN ADDITION TO INCLUDE THIS PROJECT. THIS IS IN THE PLANNING DISTRICT, COMMISSION FIVE, COMMISSIONER BURKE COMMISSIONERS WILL HEAR THIS ITEM NEXT WEEK ON TUESDAY NIGHT DECEMBER 12. THERE MEETING AT 5:00, SOON THEREAFTER. THIS MAP SHOWS THIS PROPOSED SITE IN ORANGE. IT IS SOUTH OF GREEN COVE SPRINGS ON THE WEST SIDE OF 17. THE PARCEL MAP SHOWS IT HATCHED IN BLACK, THE EXISTING LAND USE IS AGRICULTURAL, RURAL, RESIDENTIAL, CONSERVATION AND COMMERCIAL.

THEY PROPOSE CHANGES TO PLAN COMMUNITY.

THE MAP ON THE LEFT IS THE EXISTING LAND USE AND ON THE RIGHT WE OF THE PROPOSED LAND USE.

STAFF IS THE LEVEL OF SERVICE, IT IS NOT LOCATED IN THE URBAN SERVICE AREA, SO THERE GOING TO BE AMENDED TO INCLUDE THE SUBJECT PROPERTY WITHIN THE URBAN SERVICE BOUNDARY.

WITH RESPECT TO SOLID WASTE, THERE IS CAPACITY AVAILABLE.

TRAFFIC, STAFF RECOMMENDS THE ROADWAY NETWORK THROUGH GOVERNORS PARK INTERCHANGE WITH FIRST COAST EXPRESSWAY IS NECESSARY TO ADDRESS POTENTIAL IMPACTS TO U.S. 17.

DEVELOPMENT MAY USE SOME CREDIT PLACE OF MOBILITY FEES PURSUANT TO STATE LAW. STAFF ARE CONCERNED WITH THE TIMING OF PROVIDING SERVICES AND THE LACK OF COMMITMENT BY CCU A TO SERVE THE ENTIRE PROJECT.

REGARDING SCHOOLS CONTRIBUTING 30 ACRES FOR ELEMENTARY SCHOOL SITE ON THE PROPERTY, THEY WILL PAY A PROPORTIONATE SHARE AND CONTRIBUTE LAND. WITH REGARD TO RECREATION, THERE'S MORE CLARIFICATION NEEDED ON HOW THE PROJECT EXCEEDS THE COUNTIES LEVEL OF SERVICE STANDARDS IN THE COMMUNITY. REGARDING PUBLIC SAFETY, THE APPLICANT IS COMMITTED TO CONTRIBUTE 4 ACRES FOR FACILITIES. THERE IS A PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT REQUIRED FOR THE PROJECT.

IT ACTS AS A DEVELOPMENT ORDER FOR THE PROJECT.

CONCERNS SHOULD BE ADDRESSED BY THE APPLICANT IN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT FOR STAFF WILL NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ADOPTION. THE PUD ZONING CAN ONLY BE APPROVED AND THAT IS SCHEDULED FOR SOMETIME IN FEBRUARY OR

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IT IS SOMETHING THAT REQUIRES THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD TO WEIGH IN AND RECOMMEND TO THE BOARD.

THE BOARD THAT HAS TO GET THE ITEM TWICE.

THE FIRST TIME THEY HEAR IT WILL BE THE DECEMBER MEETING, THAT IS ALSO CONSIDERED A TRANSMITTAL HEARING.

THE STATE REVIEWS AND APPLICATION OF THE SIZE.

IF THE BOARD APPROVES THE TRANSMITTAL ACTUALLY, THE APPLICATION WILL GO TO THE STATE FOR THE REVIEW .

NUMBER OF STATE AGENCIES WILL PROVIDE ITEMS BACK TO COUNTY.

THEN COUNTY STAFF WILL LOOK AT THAT, THE APPLICANT WILL LOOK AT THAT AND IT WILL COME BACK FOR ACTUAL APPROVAL UNTIL THE COMMENTS HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED AND THAT IS WHY WE ARE LOOKING AT THE FEBRUARY/MARCH TIMEFRAME.

AT THE SAME TIME, THE REZONING WOULD COME AS WELL.

STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THAT APPROVAL TO THE PROPOSED FUTURE LAND USE CHANGE FOR THE URBAN SERVICE AREA FOR THE AGRICULTURAL PROPERTY. WE ARE RECOMMENDING THAT THE PROPOSED CHANGE IF APPROVAL TRANSMITTAL FOR RECOMMENDATION ON ADOPTION. YOU WILL HEAR THE FUTURE LAND USE CHANGE, THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND THE ZONING CHANGE ALL OF THAT SECOND HEARING. THE APPLICANTS ARE HERE AND THEY HAVE A PRESENTATION FOR YOU AS WELL.

DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF?

>> ONE REAL QUICK, I READ THE QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS.

DO YOU FEEL LIKE YOU'VE GOT SUFFICIENT RESPONSES TO YOUR

QUESTION AREAS? >> YES, SIR.

>> ANY OTHER BEFORE WE OF THE APPLICANT? OKAY, THIS TIME THE APPLICANT CAN COME UP.

>> THANK YOU GUYS FOR CONSIDERING THIS SUBMITTAL THIRD I WILL TRY TO BE COGNIZANT OF EVERYONE'S TIME, THIS IS A PRETTY HEFTY PRESENTATION AND PROJECT, SO I WILL TRY AND JUMP RIGHT IN. MY NAME IS CHRISTOPH - -. MY FAMILY OWNS THE LAND AND I WANTED TO TAKE SOME TIME TO INTRODUCE THE REST OF THE TEAM. SOME OF WHOM ARE HERE AND WILL BE HELPING WITH THE PRESENTATION.

ALL OF WHOM HAVE SPENT HOURS TRYING TO CREATE THIS VISION AND BRING IT TO LIGHT. WE HAVE LOCAL ENGINEERS, PEOPLE FROM ETM, LOCAL ATTORNEYS AND WE ALSO GOT A PLANNING TEAM THAT ARE NATIONALLY RENOWNED. SO, TO INTRODUCE THE PROJECT, OBVIOUSLY YOU SAW WITH THE PROPERTY WAS.

BUT PROPERTY CURRENTLY IS COMMERCIAL TIMBER OPERATION.

THAT IS WHAT IT WAS ORIGINALLY PURCHASED AS, THAT IS WHAT MY FAMILY'S BUSINESS HAS ALWAYS BEEN.

OUR INTENTION ON PURCHASING THIS PROPERTY WAS FOR THAT TO HAPPEN AND THAT'S WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING FOR THE PAST EIGHT YEARS. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT NATURALLY CAME ABOUT. THE GROWTH THAT IS HAPPENED IN THE COUNTY, HE BEGAN BEING APPROACHED BY LARGE-SCALE HOMEBUILDERS . BEING A FAMILY THAT HAS BEEN IN FLORIDA FOR GENERATIONS, WE HAVE SEEN WHAT SPRAWLED, UNCHECKED, UNPLANNED GROWTH HAS DONE TO THE REST OF THE STATE AND WANT TO SEE SOMETHING BETTER HAPPEN IN CLAY COUNTY.

WE FIGURED WE WOULD TRY TO BE THE CATALYST TO CHANGE THAT.

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- - HAS CONNECTIONS TO 17 WHICH IS ONE OF TWO NORTH-SOUTH ARTERIALS IN CLAYCOUNTY . OUR HOPE IS TO CONNECT THE U.S.

17 MULTIUSE TRAIL. IT'S A 10 MINUTE DRIVE TO GREEN SPRINGS WAS OBVIOUSLY HAS ALREADY STARTED TO SEE SOME GROWTH AND CONTINUE TO SEE GROWTH.

IT'S A THIN A FIVE MINUTE DRIVE TO THE BAY AREA CONSERVATION AREA. THAT SHOWS THE PROXIMITY TO SOME OF THOSE INFRASTRUCTURE INVESTMENTS.

>> MY NAME IS BRIAN RIGHT, I'M A PLANNER PRESENTING TO THE TEAM. ONE OF THE MANY THINGS DIFFERENT ABOUT THIS PROJECT IS JUST A PLAN AND THE VISION, BUT HOW YOU WENT ABOUT IT. WE WANT TO START WITH YOU IS WHERE WE STARTED, WITH THE COMMUNITY.

WE HAVE THE COMMUNITY KICKOFF MEETING BACK IN MARCH FOR WE WORKED ON THIS FOR HOURS. WE ARE JUST ABOUT ONLY WERE INVITED TO PARTICIPATE AND HAVE HAD NONCITIZEN WORKSHOP.

OBVIOUSLY A LOT OF THE PEOPLE THAT CAME HER IMMEDIATE NEIGHBORS . THEN WE HAD TWO DIFFERENT TOPICAL MEETINGS THAT SAME WORK SESSION WHERE ONE, WE TALKED ABOUT UTILITIES AND THE OTHER WAS FOCUSED ON TRANSPORTATION.

WE ALSO SET UP A WEBSITE, EVERYTHING WE'VE BEEN DOING HAS BEEN OPEN AND AVAILABLE FOR THE PUBLIC TO NOT ONLY SEE, KEEP UP WITH AND KNOW ABOUT BUT TO GIVE INPUT ONLINE.

IF THEY MISSED THE MEETING RECESSION THEY COULD SAY I HEARD THIS, THIS IS TRUE. FOLLOWING THE COMMUNITY KICKOFF, WE DID A COMMUNITY DESIGN WORKSHOP SET UP FOR FIVE DAYS IN THE THEATER. WE HAD ADDITIONAL TOPICAL MEETINGS AND SET UP OUR DESIGN STUDIO IN OFFICE, OUR PLANNERS WERE THERE AND RENDERERS WERE THERE.

OUR ENGINEERS WERE THERE FOR I WANT TO COME IN WHENEVER THEY WANTED TO, WE WEREOPEN FROM MORNING TO NIGHT .

THE FINAL PRESENTATION IN THE THEATER AT THE SIXTH, WE CREATED TWO PLANS FOR THE PROPERTY AND PRESENTED IDEAS FROM BOTH OF THEM. THEY ARE SIMILAR BUT HAD NUANCED DIFFERENCES. HE OPENED IT UP FOR A QUESTION AND ANSWER QUESTION SESSION. SOME OTHER THING THAT CAME OUT OF HIS PRELIMINARY OUTREACH PROCESSES AND DISCUSSIONS WITH STAFF AND DIFFERENT OFFICIALS WITH THE COUNTY, THE IDEA OF SUPPORTING ECONOMIC GROWTH AND TOURISM AND CONCENTRATING THE GROWTH NEARBY THE FIRST COAST EXPRESSWAY.

TRYING TO CREATE A HIGH-QUALITY MIXED-USE AREA.

TRYING TO ATTRACT EMPLOYEES, ONE OF THE BANKRUPTCY IS THAT BECAUSE OF THE DEVELOPMENT TYPICALLY GET THE COUNTY THAT WE HAVE HEARD FROM A LOT OF THE CITIZENS, WE WOULD LIKE TO NOT HAVE ANY GROWTH. AS YOU POINTED OUT EARLIER, YOU CAN'T HAVE NO GROWTH, BUT IF YOU HAVE GROWTH MAKE IT WAS SOMETHING YOU ARE EXCITED AND PROUD OF.

TO DO THAT, WE HAVE GONE TO THIS WHOLE PROCESS BUT BY DOING THAT, WE CAN ATTRACT EMPLOYERS BECAUSE THEIR EMPLOYEES WANT TO BE HERE AS WELL. LOOKING AT CLUSTERING THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE OPEN SPACE OF THE PRESENTATION AND ALIGNING WITH THE NEIGHBORING COMMUNITIES.

WHEN THE NEIGHBORS CAME OVER, THEY WERE AT FIRST AFRAID.

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RIGHT NOW IS ROWS AND ROWS OF PINE TREES, BE INCORPORATED INTO THE PLANNING AND ARE EXCITED ABOUT IT.

PEDESTRIAN AND BIKE FROM THE NEIGHBORHOODS AND ASKED HIM FRESH AND HEALTHY FOOD THROUGH COMMUNITY-BASED AGRICULTURE, THOSE FOUND ON SITES. LASTLY, FOSTER ECONOMIC GROWTH AND ATTRACTING AND RETAINING WORKFORCE.

I DON'T NORMALLY TALK THIS FAST, BUTWE HAVE A LOT OF SLIDES, I APOLOGIZE . WE ARE ALSO LOOKING AT GOALS FOR SUSTAINABILITY. IF YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE GROWTH OR IMPACTS, YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE WE ARE MINIMIZING IT IS MUCH AS POSSIBLE, NOT JUST MAKING AN AMAZING NEW PLACE.

FOCUSING ON LOW-IMPACT PDEVELOPMENT PRIOR TO THE WETLANDS ANDNATURAL DRAINAGE PATTERNS .

WE THEN AS YOU WILL SEE IN A MINUTE, SELF-IMPOSED WETLAND BUFFERS AROUND THE WETLANDS. WE SEALED SOME INTERESTING AS OPPOSED TO A HASSLE. WE HAVE A GOOD AND UPLAND AREA SO WE CAN USE THE NATURAL DRAINAGE WAYS TO BE MORE SUSTAINABLE . THAT ALLOWS US TO NATURALLY FILTER AND OBSERVE STORMWATER WATER RETENTION.

THE AGRICULTURE IS AS IMPORTANT TO THIS PROJECT AT THE DEVELOPMENT PORTION OF IT. WHAT WE CREATE IS NATURALLY REFERRED TO AS AN AGRICULTURAL NEIGHBORHOOD.

WE ARE LOOKING TO HAVE A SELF-SUFFICIENT SYSTEM, WE HAVE SOMETHING ACRES OF LAND AND WE ARE NOT INTENDING TO DEVELOP MUCH OF IT YET IN THE GRAND SCHEME OF THINGS.

THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE AGRICULTURAL ASWELL AS RECREATION . AS WE ARE EMBARKING UPON THIS, ONE OF THE THINGS YOU WANT TO DO IS FOCUS ON UNDERSTANDING WHAT THE POSSIBILITIES ARE. WE WENT IN WITH THE PROJECTS AROUND THE COUNTRY. SOME OF THEM YOU MAY HAVE HEARD OF, SOME NOT. THIS LIST WILL BE PROVIDED TO YOU. THIS ONE IN PARTICULAR STANDS OUT, THE BEAUTIFUL EXAMPLE OF A VERY SENSITIVE RURAL DEVELOPMENT THAT INCORPORATES AGRICULTURE BUT NONETHELESS.

HE WENT THROUGH THE DESIGN PROCESS THISORDER WITH THE COMMUNITY AND INTO THE LAND . WE DID AN ANALYSIS AND WITH THE RURAL CONTEXT OF THE SITE, THE ENVIRONMENTAL CONSTRAINTS.

WE HAVE A NETWORK THAT - -. HERE'S A HABIT THAT NEEDS TO B . HE WANTED TO PRESERVE AND FEATURE THE CREEKS AND HISTORIC BELLAMY ROAD.

HER TRANSPORTATION NETWORK STARTED OFF BY LOOKING AT THE OLD LOBBY ON THE SITE. THEY HAD ALREADY DISTURBED THE LANDS. BASED ON THOSE CONSTRAINTS, WE REALIZE THAT DOING INTERESTING DEVELOPMENT PATTERN WAS THE BEST THING TO DO. CLAIRE, OUR PROJECT MANAGER WILL RUN THROUGH HOW WE LAYER THESE DIFFERENT CONCEPTS SO YOU CAN UNDERSTAND. IT'S A LOT OF INFORMATION, I APOLOGIZE, BUT IT IS SUCH A RICH PROJECT.

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>> LIKE RYAN WAS SAYING - -. THEY ENCOMPASS 522 ACRES OR 70% OF THE SITES SO THEY WERE STARTED THERE.

ON THAT WE PUT A 100 FOOT BUFFER IS ABOVE AND BEYOND COUNTY STANDARDS WHICH TO PROTECT THAT ECOSYSTEM.

ON TOP OF THAT, WE HAD A NATURAL GREEN SPACE SO WE CAN HAVE CONTINUOUS OPEN SPACE SO WILDLIFE CORRIDORS REMAINED INTACT. THEN WE HAVE 6240 ACRES THAT WILL BE FORMAL GREEN SPACE. YOUR PARKS, YOUR RECREATION FIELD, COMMUNITY GARDENS, ETC. DISCRETENESS OF THE TRAIL NETWORK. IT WOULD ALL BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC AS WELL AS THE PUBLIC SPACES AND RECREATION SPACES.

THAT IS 50% OF THE PROPERTY MINIMUM THAT WOULD BE PUBLIC FOR RECREATION AND OPEN SPACE. TAKING ALL THAT OFF THE TABLE, WE STARTED WITH A SERIES OF 5 TO 10 MINUTE WALK IN CIRCLES AND PEDESTRIAN SHEDS. THE REASON THAT'S IMPORTANT IS IT HOLD OF THE GOALS WE CREATED FOR OURSELVES.

HE WANTED TO HAVE A CONNECTED, COMPACT HEALTHY COMMUNITY.

IF YOU CAN WALK TO YOUR DAILY NEEDS WITHIN FIVE MINUTES, THAT IS ONE OF OUR STANDARDS AND BUILDING BLOCKS ON HOW TO BUILD A WALKABLE COMMUNITY. WE OVERLAID OUR CLUTCHES OF DEVELOPMENT UNDER THESE FIVE-MINUTE PEDESTRIAN WALK CIRCLES. THE ABOUT THE OPEN SPACE INTACT. HERE OUR PRIMARY THOROUGHFARE SUMMITS WILL CARRY THE MAJORITY OF AUTOMOBILE AND BICYCLE TRAFFIC. YOU SEE ARE TWO MAIN ACCESS POINTS ON U.S. 17. THAT IS ONE OF TWO NORTH-SOUTH ARTERIALS IN THE COUNTY. IT ALSO ONLY ONE ON THE EASTERN SIDE. THE URBAN SERVICE AREA BOUNDARIES IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO THOSE.

YOU ALSO SEE FOR OTHER POTENTIAL FUTURE ACCESS POINTS WHICH WE WILL BE WORKING ON THROUGHOUT THE PROJECT TO PROVIDE AS MUCH CONNECTIVITY AS POSSIBLE.

WE ARE VERY OPEN TO THAT WORKING WITH A NEIGHBOR TO MAKE SURE THEY ARE OPEN TO THAT. WE UNDERSTAND THE COUNTY IS A REQUIREMENT OF EVERY 2000 FEET THAT WE SHOULD BE INTERCONNECTED AND WE ARE 100% OPEN TO THAT.

THE MORE CONNECTIVITY, THE BETTER TRAFFIC AND BETTER DISPERSANT TRAFFIC VOLUMES. THAT WAS HER PRIMARY THOROUGHFARE SCREWED ME OF A VAST NETWORK OF SECONDARY AND TERTIARY STREETS. WE HAVE A LOT OF DIFFERENT STREET TYPES AND THEY SPELL OUT 15 DIFFERENT STREET SECTIONS, ALL OF WHICH CREATE DIFFERENT CHARACTERS, SOME FROM VILLAGE CENTERS AND SUFFER QUIET RESIDENTIAL STREETS.

CONTEXT CODIFIES STREET DESIGN. HERE, WE OVERLAID OUR PRIMARY TRAIL NETWORK AND ARE BICYCLE, TRAIL AND KAYAK NETWORK AS WELL. THESE OVERLAYS OF THE DIFFERENT CLUSTER TYPES. THIS IS A GREAT SITE IN CLAY COUNTY. IT'S A LOT OF UPLAND SPIRIT THE PDIFFERENT ELEMENTS OF DIFFEREN DENSITIES, DIFFERENT CHARACTERS. WHEN JENNY MICHAEL TO DEVELOPMENT TOWARDS INFRASTRUCTURE.

WE HAVE OUR RURAL AGRICULTURAL HAMLETS AND VILLAGES TO THE SOUTH. THIS MAXIMIZES THE RESOURCES

AND MINIMIZE THE IMPACT. >> I WILL WALK YOU THROUGH WHAT IT FEELS LIKE TO BE IN THIS PLACE.

HE WILL GET A BUNCH OF NUMBERS IN A MINUTE SO DON'T WORRY.

THIS IS THE PART OF THE PROJECT THAT WILL HOPEFULLY SET IT APART FROM WHAT YOU ARE USED TO SEEING.

AS CLAIRE MENTIONED, THERE ARE SEVERAL DIFFERENT TYPES OF PLACES WITHIN THE COMMUNITY. THIS IS AN EXAMPLE WHERE THE ROWS OF PINE TREES, IT'S KIND OF INTERESTING, AND ECCENTRIC SPACE. WE FIT LEFT THOSE AND BUILD AMONGST THE PINE TREES? WHAT YOU SEE IN THIS IMAGE ARE THE FENCES ATTACHED TO THE EXISTING TREE ROSE.

THE PATHWAYS, THE HOUSES SPACE THE PATHWAYS AND RECOVER POCKET PARKS AND THINGS AMONGST THEM. THEN, THIS IS THE BIRDSEYE VIEW

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THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF A WALKABLE NEIGHBORHOOD STREET, FRONT PORCHES AND PEOPLE SITTING OUT AND LETTING THE KIDS ROAM AROUND. ONE OF OUR GOALS IS TO CREATE A PLACE WHERE YOU CAN HAVE FREE RANGE KIDS TO GO AROUND.

THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF HOW WE'VE INCORPORATED SOME OF THE AGRICULTURAL AREAS.YOU SEE THE TOP RIGHT, THERE ARE HOUSES HAVE THE COMMUNITY BUILDING AND COMMUNITY BAR IN THE BACKGROUND THERE. THIS IS MOVING DOWN TO OUR EDUCATIONHUB . ONE OF THE THINGS NOT TO DO IS ATTRACT HIGHER EDUCATION IN COLLEGE AROUND.

HE IS ONLY DIFFERENT THINGS GOING ON .

THE OTHER THING WE'RE LOOKING AT IS OUR INNOVATION HUB.

THE INNOVATION HUB, WE LOOKING TO ATTRACT BUSINESSES THAT ARE FOCUSED ON THE SAME TYPES OF PRINCIPLES THE PRODUCT IS FOCUSED ON. JUST LAYING IT OUT IN OFFICE PARTS FOR INDUSTRIAL PARKS THAT ARE HUMAN FOCUSED EVEN WITHIN THESE INNOVATION. IT WILL BE INTERESTING TO SEE HOW THAT SHAKES OUT AND WHAT WE DO IN THE FUTURE BUT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE SPOTS AND PLACES RESERVED FOR EXPERT IS AN EXAMPLE OF A CORNER WHICH IS A SMALLER SCALE NO.

OUR VILLAGE CENTER, YOU SERVICE AS BEING THE MOST DENSE AREA.

YOU PEOPLE LIVING ABOVE ON THIS ABOVE GROUND TAILED RETAILER SHOT SPACES. THE OTHER THING WE MENTIONED EARLIER THE COMPETITION WITH THE NEIGHBORS.THE OF HIGHLAND AIRPARK - - PERSPECTIVE THAT THEY HAVE GOING ON.

EVEN WE FINISHED THE DESIGN WORKSHOPAND FINISH THEIR CONCERNS . HE KILLED BACK DEVELOPMENT HAD A WHOLE OTHER KNOWN FOR USE THE BIGGEST GREEN AREA.

WE FEEL THAT BACK TO GIVE THEM SOME MORE SPACE AND MAKE THEM A PART OF OUR TRAIL SYSTEM. WE HAVE BEEN DILIGENT AND WORK HARD BREWED LASTLY INTERSECTION, BELLAMY ROAD, ONE OF THE OLDEST HIGHWAYS IN THE COUNTRY GRANTEDTHIS AREA .

THOSE ARE TWO AREAS DEMARCATED THE - - INCORPORATED WILL BE DOING TO A PLANNING PERSPECTIVE INTO THE FUTURE.

JUST WANT TO JUMP INTO THE CONFERENCE OF PLAN AMENDMENT PORTION AND GET CLAIRE TO TALK ABOUT THAT.

GET INTO THE NUTSAND BOLTS . >> AS YOU GET THROUGH, THE LANGUAGE THAT MUCH DIFFERENT USES, AGRICULTURAL, COMMERCIAL AND CONSERVATION. ALL WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS AMEND THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP SO THAT THE PLANNED COMMUNITY AND ALONGSIDE THAT, A PUD REZONING. FIRST, WE WILL GO TO THE COMP PLAN AND GO TO THE REZONING AND DEVELOPMENT COMMITMENT IS A

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ON THE RIGHT IS THE PLANNED COMMUNITY DESTINATION WE WOULD BE A COMPLEMENTARY USE TO THE NORTH AND PROVIDE FUNCTIONAL USES AND A LOT OF AMENITIES THAT ARE NOT QUITE AVAILABLE YET. WHAT'S GOOD ABOUT - - IT ESPECIALLY REQUIRES ENTICES TO A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WITH BINDING CONDITIONS AND THAT PUD REZONING.

THOSE BOTH GUIDE THE CHARACTER AND QUALITY OF THE DEVELOPMENT.

YOU WILL SEE AS WE GO THROUGH, HOW DO YOU KNOW IT WILL LOOK LIKE THIS? WE WERE PLANNING STAFF AND THEY HAVE DRAWN A HARD LIFE. THEY ASKED FOR REAL COMMITMENTS AND WE ARE PROVIDED WHAT WE THINK WILL MAKE THIS PLACE GREAT. HE WILL GO THROUGH THAT AT THE

END OF THE PRESENTATION. >> HI COMMISSIONERS.

MY NAME IS JOHN STOVER - - WE ARE LEADING THE REAL ESTATE AND ECONOMIC ANALYSIS COMPONENT OF THE PROJECT.

IN SHORT, WE HAVE CONNECTED MARKET ANALYSIS TO SUPPORT THE DESIGN THE PROJECT. WE HAD FOUR MARKET ANALYSIS THE DIFFERENT LAND USE TYPES, TWO DIFFERENT - -4 DIFFERENT ECONOMISTS ON PROJECT TEAM. IN SHORT, ALL THE ANALYSIS IS TO CAN WE BUILD THIS? REALLY CONCLUSIVELY FEEL THAT IT IS SPREAD IN THE INTEREST OF TIME, SOME FOLKS AT THE MARKET ANALYSIS CAN BE ARBITRARY, I WILL KEEP IT TOP-LEVEL BUT HAPPY TO RESPOND TO QUESTIONS. WE KNOW THAT THERE IS STRONG DEMAND FOR RESIDENTIAL ON-SITE. ESPECIALLY THE UNTAPPED POLYPECTOMY PROPOSAL THAT DOES NOT EXIST CURRENTLY IN THE COUNTY. WE KNOW THAT THERE ARE REAL LIMITATIONS IN TERMS OF CURRENT MARKET DEMAND ON THE COMMERCIAL SIDE OF THE EQUATION ESPECIALLY IN CLIMATE CENTERS AND OFFICE SPACE FOR THE BIG CHARGE FROM A MARKET VANTAGE POINT IS HOW DO WE LEVERAGE THE RESIDENTIAL DEMAND AND BUILD A PLACE MAKING AND VALUING THE AMENITIES TO CREATE A TYPE OF PLAY FOR THAT THAT ATTRACTS VISITORS AND SPENDING AN EMPLOYER'S.

THAT IS THE BEST PRACTICE IN TERMS OF PLACE MAKING FROM AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT VANTAGE POINT CURRENTLY.

OF COURSE, THAT WILL HAVE A VERY SIGNIFICANT IMPACT TO THE COUNTY. IN TERMS OF PHRASING, I AM HAPPY TO GET INTO MORE DETAIL. A LOT OF SPECIFICITY AND THOUGHTFULNESS WENT INTO THE LAND USE MIX IN THE PHASING OF THE PROJECT. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT WE REALLY DID NOT GO ON THIS ON THE LENS OF MAXIMIZING ABSORPTION AND SALES REVENUE ON THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE, WHICH IS KIND OF THE MORE TRADITIOAL AVENUE THERE.

OUR THINKING AND FINANCIAL ANALYSIS IS ORIENTED TOWARDS THE LONGER TERM VALUE CREATION THAT WILL CREATE THE TYPE OF PLACE AND ENABLE A TYPE OF USES THAT ARE VIABLE IN THE MIDTERM ON-SITE. SO CASE AND POINT IS THAT WE WILL HAVE A LEADING MARKET ANALYSIS.

THERE ANALYSIS THAT THERE IS DEMAND FOR OVER A THOUSAND HOUSING UNITS EVERY FIVE YEARS. WE ARE SIGNIFICANTLY UNDER THE

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WE APPLY THE SAME KIND OF THOUGHTFULNESS AND DELIBERATENESS NOT ONLY PROGRAM WIDE, BUT ALSO ACROSS THE DIFFERENT CHARACTER AREAS TO ENSURE THERE IS THE RIGHT BALANCE OF COMMERCIAL USE THAT CAN BE SUPPORTED AND THE RIGHT LEVEL OF VIBRANCY AND UNIQUE PLACES ACROSS THE PROJECT.

VERY IMPORTANTLY, WE LOOKED INTO WEARS LONG-TERM MARKET DEMAND? IS THERE A SURPLUS OF NEED FOR HOUSING MOVING FORWARD? SURE ENOUGH, THE LEADING OFFICIAL PUBLISHING PROJECTIONS FROM OTDR SURE THAT EVEN IF ALL TITLE PROJECTS WERE TO OCCUR IN THE COUNTY, THERE IS A SHORTFALL OF 12,500 UNITS IN THE NEXT 25 YEARS.

THERE IS A VERY REASONABLE CAPTURE OF OUR PRODUCT WITHIN THAT. I COULD GET INTO IT BUT HE FELT THAT OUR PROJECT IS DIFFERENT ENOUGH THAT IT KIND OFBREAKS THE MOLD ANYWAY , BUT EVEN REALLY CONFORMING TO STATE MANDATES AND COUNTY MANDATES, WE CAN DEMONSTRATE THAT THERE IS A HOUSING NEED THAT THIS PROJECT MEETS.

THEN IN TERMS OF WHAT IS THE ECONOMIC IMPACT, UNSURPRISINGLY IT IS VERY SIGNIFICANT. IT'S FUNNY, I TALKED TO COUNTIES AND PRINCIPALITIES ALL DAY LONG, BUT WERE THE METRICS THAT CREATE THAT STRONG ECONOMIC IMPACT AND BASE THAT CREATE A FISCAL REVENUE. ENTIRE PRICE POINTS - -. THIS PROJECT HAS THOSE ELEMENTS IN SPACE.

ON THE ONSET ALONE, WE THINK IS REASONABLE TO EXPECT THE CAPTURE OF 5000 JOBS FOR REDUCED ECONOMIC IMPACTS ACROSS THE COUNTY ARE AN ADDITIONAL 4700 AND CHANGE INJOBS .

THAT AMOUNTS TO NEARLY 1.5 BILLION ADDITIONAL DOLLARS BEING GENERATED IN THE LOCAL ECONOMY ANNUALLY.

WITHIN THIS IS A VERY POSITIVE, SUSTAINABLE, VALUABLE PROJECTS.

$7.500 ANNUALLY IN OPERATING FUND REVENUE AND $20.5 MILLION ANNUALLY IN - - REVENUE. I THINK IT IS ALSO IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT WE ARE HIGHLY CONFIDENT THAT THE TERMS OF THE URBAN SERVICE BOUNDARY EXPANSION, WE HAVE GONE THROUGH EACH OF THE A SPECIFIC CRITERIA ON AND AFTER THAT WITH THE COUNTY. HAPPY TO LOOK BACK TO THAT BUT THE SHORT RELIGIONS AND NOT TO GET LOST INTHE WEEDS , HERE'S

OUR RESPONSES TO EACH OF THE DIFFERENT ELEMENTS.>> ELEGANT AS CLAIRE MENTIONED, HOW DO YOU KNOW? HOPEFULLY THIS LOOKS INTERESTING TO YOU AND DIFFERENT THAN WHAT YOU'RE USED TO SEEING.

THAT IS WHETHER PUD COMES IN. THAT IS A PART OF WHAT WE HAVE TO DO AT THE PUD. THE IDEA AND WE IT IS SET UP RIGHT NOW - - PRESERVING NATURAL AMENITIES AND HAVING A MIXED USES AND MORE STRICT GUIDELINES, ETC. THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT WE ARE DOING ANYWAY.

THESE ARE EXAMPLES FROM SOME OF THE PAGES.

I HATE TO EVEN SHOW IT BECAUSE THIS TO ME LOOK SO SPARSE, BUT THESE ARE STANDARDS FOR SETBACKS.

THE FRONTAGE TYPE OF THE BUILDING MEETS THE STREET, PARKS, PLAZAS, GREENS GET HAPPY THEY NEED TO BE.

THE PRESIDENT OF SPECIFIC STANDARDS THAT GO WITH THE LOTS IN THE COVERAGE, ETC. HE HAD BUILDING TYPES IN FRONT OF TYPES AS I SAID, YOU DETAILED STREET STANDARDS.

WE HAVE GONE THROUGH GREAT DETAIL TO EXPLAIN WHAT THEY ARE LIKE AND HOW THEY SHOULD BE BUILT AND DESIGNED .

PEDESTRIAN FACILITIES, BIKE FACILITIES, ETC. AS A COUPLE HUNDRED PAGES OF PUD SPECIAL - -.

>> THIS IS THE END. IN ORDER TO MAKE SURE THIS IS

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IT IS THE COUNTY. IT IS OUT OF OUR CONTROL AND THAT IS SOMETHING WE HAVE DONE WILLINGLY AND HOPEFULLY IT WILL PAY OFF IN THE LONG RUN. THIS IS SOME OF THEIR DEDICATIONS AND THINGS IN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT I WILL BE TIED TO THIS. WE ARE GOING TO MAKE SURE THAT BELLAMY ROAD IS PRESERVED THE RIGHT WAY .

WE SPENT A LOT OF MONEY ON MARKET ANALYSIS AND PLANNING AND WILL CONTINUE TO DO SO IN THE HOPES OF CREATING SOMETHING GOOD HERE. IT IS A GREAT SITE AND IS LOCATED VERY WELL. GROWTH IS SOMETHING THAT IS HAPPENING. WE HOPE WE CAN MAYBE HELP ALTER IT AND SHOW IT CAN BE DONE A LITTLE MORE DILIGENTLY WITH A LITTLE MORE ATTENTION. THEY CAN REALLY AFFECT WHATEVER ELSE HAPPENS IN THE SOUTHERN PART OF THIS COUNTY THAT HAS NOT BEEN TOUCHED YET. IT CAN SHOW THAT RURAL GROWTH CAN BE DONE TO A HIGHER STANDARD.

THE PLANNED COMMUNITY LAND USE CATEGORY, THAT SEEMS VERY VAGUE ABOUT OTITIS IS DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND PUD ZONING AND WHAT YOU SAW SOME OF THE EXAMPLES OF THE DETAIL THAT GOES IN THERE THAT WILL HOLD US TO A HIGHER STANDARD.

THANK YOU GUYS. >> DO WE HAVE QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT FROM THE COMMISSION? MR. GARRISON?

>> I HAVE ONE QUESTION, FOR NOW.

GENTLEMEN, ONE OF THE GUYS MENTIONED YOU HAVE A CERTAIN NUMBER OF ACRES OF AGRICULTURE, 19 OF THE TOTAL NUMBER OF ACRES YOU WILL SET ASIDE FOR AGRICULTURAL GROWTH? OR AGRICULTURAL DEVELOPMENT? MAYBE JUST EXPAND.

>> BASICALLY, WE HAD 50% F THE LAND OPEN.

THAT IS A LOT FOR RECREATION AS WELL.

WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT NOW BECAUSE WE HAVE SOMUCH LAND , ABOUT 300 ACRES IN PRESERVATION, HOW MUCH OF THAT CAN WE GET? WE KNOW IT'S A 200 ACRE PROJECT RIGHT NOW. THE CHALLENGE IS FINDING THE GROUPS THAT WANT TO OPERATE IT WE WILL HAVE HER OWN THAT WE WANT TO RUN AT A CERTAIN SCALE. CONSIDER BRINGING IN LOOKING AT REGIONAL SCALE FOR AGRICULTURAL PROGRAM.

HUNDREDS OF ACRES IS WHAT WE IMAGINE.BUT ALL ALONG BECAUSE RIGHT NOW IT'S AN AGRICULTURAL ON SITE RIGHT NOW, WE WILL KEEP THAT GOING. EVERYTHING WE ARE NOT DEVELOPING WILL BE - - UNTIL IT IS TIME TO BE DEVELOPED.

IT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WE WISH WE KNEW EXACTLY HOW MUCH.

IT WILL BE PRESERVED IN A PART OF THAT.

>> 50% OF THE TOTAL ACRES WILL BE IN PRESERVATION?

>> AT LEAST. >> OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE

APPLICANT? >> THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR.

EXCELLENT PRESENTATION, THANK YOU FOR GIVING THAT TO US SO WE CAN BECOME FAMILIAR WITH THE PROPERTY.

MY QUESTION SPECIFICALLY DEALS WITH AFFORDABILITY AND WORKFORCE HOUSING. IS THERE ANY CONSIDERATION OF

THAT IN THIS PLAN? >> ABSOLUTELY.

ONE OF THE THINGS I MENTIONED QUICKLY WAS HAVING THAT WIDE VARIETY OF HOUSING TYPES. WHAT WE KNOW IS IF YOU ONLY BUILD ONE TYPE OF HOUSE AND IS ALL BIG, SINGLE-FAMILY HOUSING, ONLY A CERTAIN INCOME LEVEL CAN LIVE THERE.

WE WANT TO HAVE SINGLE-FAMILY HOUSING OF ALL SIZES AND SKILLS BUT ALSO SOME TOWNHOUSES IN THE TRADITIONAL WAY, HISTORICAL

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RIGHT NOW, WE ARE TRYING TO MAKE SURE, SOME OF THESE WILL BE QUITE EXPENSIVE BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO BE UNIQUE AND LARGE-SCALE PRODUCTS. EVEN NOW TO TINY HOUSES AND PEOPLE LIVING ABOVE THE SHOP. THE ONE THING WE CAN'T DO IS CREATE WORKFORCE HOUSING THAT IS OF A LESSER QUALITY THAN EVERYTHING ELSE. IT HAS TO BE INTEGRATED AND A PART OF IT. JUST THE PROPER AND FIND A WAY

TO LIVE. >> THANK YOU.

>> OTHER QUESTIONS?>> I WAS CURIOUS, THE EDUCATION HUBS, I HEARD THAT PIECE BUT I KNOW THESE BIG PUD, YOU HAVING TO WORK WITH THE CLAY COUNTY SCHOOL BOARD.

TALK ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT. >> EARLY ON, WE HAD GOOD DISCUSSIONS. ONE OF THE THINGS WE LEARN TO THE PROCESSES, THERE IS A DISCONNECT RIGHT NOW WITH THE WAY SCHOOLS ARE BUILT AND THE WAY PROPERTIES ARE DEVELOPED.

IT HAS THE SCHOOL SITE ALREADY APPROVED.

THAT'S FINE. BUT FOR US, WE WANT TO HAVE SKILLS WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND WE ARE HOPING TO DO IS TO DEVELOP A MODEL FOR SCHOOLS WITH THE SCHOOL GROWS INCREMENTALLY WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

SORT OF A CAMPUS STYLE MODEL. RIGHT NOW, MY NEIGHBORHOOD AND MY KIDS DID TO WALK TO SCHOOL. WE WANT TO DO THAT AND AT A MINIMUM ARE COMMITTING THE LAMBERT THAT'S PROBABLY A PRETTY CRUDE WAY TO GO ABOUT HANDLING IF THAT IS THE NORMAL WAY THINGS ARE DONE AT THIS STAGE OF THE PROJECT.

WE HOPE TO DIG INTO THAT MORE AND MORE.

HOWEVER WE CAN GET THE SCHOOLS IN, THAT IS WHAT WE WANT TO DO.

>> OTHER QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. AT THIS TIME, I AM GOING TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. I HAVE A NUMBER OF CARDS.

THE FIRST ONE I HAVE IS MONICA ROSS.

WE WILL FOLLOW MS. ROSS WITH PAM CHARNEY AND GO FROM THERE.

PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.

>> (STATES NAME AND ADDRESS). I AM ONE OF THE EIGHT HOUSES IN THE SOUTHERN SOUTH CORNER. WE WERE UNFORTUNATELY NOT A PART OF THE ORIGINAL PLANNING, BUT THEY DID TAKE SOME TIME TO GO OVER SOME OF THE WORK WITH US A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO.

SOME OF MY BIGGEST CONCERN IS I MOVE BACK TO CLAY COUNTY BECAUSE I WAS ORIGINALLY BORN HERE.

I AM ABOUT BECAUSE OF THE GOOD LIFE IN WILDERNESS.

I AM IN A RURAL AREA RIGHT NOW, THIS DEVELOPMENT WILL MAKE ME NOT IN A RURAL AREA ANYMORE. WHEN MY BIGGEST CONCERNS IS MAINTAINING SPACE FOR WILDLIFE AND WILDLIFE CORRIDORS.WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HAVING THE STEWARDSHIP AND RECREATION SECTIONS, BUT NOTHING IS GUARANTEED AND WILL STAY OUR CONSERVATION AREA. THERE'S SOMETHING THAT CAN LEGALLY BINDING THAT MAINTAINS IT AS SUCH.

NOT THAT IT CAN BE CHANGED AT A LATER TIME.

MY TRAVELER GOES OVER ANOTHER CREEK, SO DURING RAIN STORMS, OUR ROAD IN THE AREA DOES FLIP QUITE A BIT.

I DON'T SEE ANYTHING THAT ADDRESSES ALL LOW-LYING AREA THAT ACTUALLY WOULD COLLECT SOME OF THIS WATER AND DISTRIBUTED TO THE CREEK SYSTEMS. I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED WITH THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE ROOT SYSTEM THAT WILL BE GOING NORTH THAT WE HAD AN INFLUX OF RURAL WATER INTO OUR PROPERTY. THE ROOF STRUCTURE THAT IS GOING TO GO INTO THE AREA IS PRETTY CLOSE TO THE PROPERTY AS WELL. RIGHT ACROSS FROM US, WE HAVE THE SAME OWNER SOLD SOME OF THE PROPERTY TO FPL.

WE CURRENTLY HAVE SOLAR FARM ON THE OTHER SIDE OF US AND YOU WILL HAVE THIS DEVELOPMENT ON THE OTHER SIDE.

WE ARE BOXED IN WITH NEW DEVELOPMENT AND THEIR PLAN IS

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MORE THAN HALF MY PROPERTY IS ADJACENT TO THIS PROPERTY.

WE WILL HAVE ENOUGH BUFFERS TO ALLOW US TO LIVE IN A RURAL TYPESETTING. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU, NECK SPEAKER IS PAM CHARNEY.

AFTER MS. CHARNEY, WE WILL HAVE DIANE SHAW.

>> (STATES NAME AND ADDRESS). IT HAS BEEN GREAT DEALING WITH THIS, THEY THINK IT WILL BE OF SUCH A HEART AND THEIR PLAN LOOKS WONDERFUL. I WOULD BE HAPPY WITH THAT, BUT I WORRY ABOUT WHAT IF. WHAT IF THEY SELL, WHAT IF THEY DON'T DO, THE BIG THING IS WHAT THEY SELL TOO THAT ARE NOT I'VE BEEN ME, I KNOW THAT WASN'T ME. [LAUGHTER].

THAT'S BETTER. WE AREN'T AIRPORTS.HEY ARE AIRPLANES THERE AND THEY MADE ALLOWANCES FOR THAT.

IS THERE ANYTHING THAT IS A BUFFER ZONE? IT DOESN'T EXIST YET AND IF SOMETHING HAPPENS, THEN WHERE ARE WE? THEY ARE GRANDFATHERED IN.

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME SORT OF A BUFFER IN THE PAPER OTHER THAN WE WANT GREEN SPACE, SOMETHING SOLID AND LEGAL.

THAT SAID, THANKS. >> THANK YOU.

NEXT IS MRS. SHAW, DIANE SHAW. DIFFERENT ONE? OKAY, THEN I HAVE JODI WEBER. FOLLOWING MR. WEBER AND PAT LE

. >> (STATES NAME AND ADDRESS).

FIRST OFF, I WANT TO SAY THE GENTLEMAN SAID THERE WAS A COMMUNITY KICKOFF. I AM TO THE NORTH, NEVER HEARD OF ANYTHING. WOULD LOVE TO SEE WHO WAS IN ATTENDANCE AT THAT MEETING. I WAS NEVER NOTIFIED.

I AM YOUR LIFELONG RESIDENT THERE.

THE OTHER THING IS, PART OF THIS PROPERTY HAS BEEN MIND BEFORE. WE NEED TO LOOK AT THAT.

THAT IS ONE OF THE QUESTIONS WE HAVE PRETTY WITH THE WETLANDS PAND STUFF LIKE THAT, YOU SEE THE SETOFFS, PROBABLY SOME OF THAT AND THE AGRICULTURAL THEY GOT HERE, HE CONNECTED WITH THE AVERAGE OR ACREAGE. THAT IS HOW BE AGRICULTURE WHICH DEALS WITH MY BUSINESS. THE LADY DID SPEAK OF THE CORE DOOR, THERE IS THAT THEY ARE QUARTERLY CLOSE TO THEIR THAT IS WITH THE STATES. ME TO THE NORTH THAT STILL HAS LAND UNDEVELOPED THAT MY FAMILY LIVES ON, YOUR WILDLIFE THAT YOU WILL DISPLACE WILL NOW MOVE TO MY PROPERTY WHERE WE ARE NOT GOING TO DEVELOP AND WE STILL HAVE THAT.

IT'S GOING TO POSE PROBLEMS WITH THE BEARS MOVING INTO OUR BACKYARDS AND OUR PROPERTY THAT WE LEAVE AS AGRICULTURE.

THE INFRASTRUCTURE, WE DO HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT.

THEY HAD A PRIVATE MEETING AT HER HOME IN CLAY COUNTY AND SPOKE OF LEAVING FOOD ACCESS ON SPRING BREAK ROAD.

IT'S A TWO LANE NARROW ROAD THAT LEADS OUT TO WHERE 16 IS PRETTY IF YOU KNOW WHERE THAT IS, YOU KNOW WHERE THE FAIRGROUND SERVICE.E COMPLAIN CONSTANTLY OF THE SMALL COMMUNITY THAT IS OUT THERE NOW.

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WE HAVEN'T EVEN STARTED THE HOUSING DEVELOPMENT THAT IS ITSELF OF THE BELTWAY. DOES THE COUNTY HAVE THE MONEY TO BUILD THE SCHOOLS AND BUILD A FIRE DEPARTMENT FOR EACH OF THOSE WHEN WE ARE ALREADY THERE AND DON'T HAVE THEM AS WE NEED THEM? THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. NEXT IS PAT LEE.

FOLLOWING MR. LEE IS KAREN KUHN.

>> HI, MY NAME IS PAT LEE, I OWN TWO FINGERS DOWN AT HOWARD AIRPARK. THE LAND AROUND OUR AIRPARK HAS AN ARTICLE TOOLS FOR YEARS. WE ARE 6.5 MILES SOUTH OF GREEN COVE SPRINGS AND WE KNOW THAT GROWTH IS COMING.

THE QUESTION IS HOW DO WE DO IT? WE HAVE SEEN TWO GREAT EXAMPLES.

ONE OF THE TRAILER PARK THAT WAS APPROVED FOR NORTH OF US.

HOW IT WAS APPROVED COMPARED TO THE AGRICOLA SUCK ON ABOUT IT IS NIGHT AND DAY. BY MAY 1 PRESENTATION TO US.

THEY SAID WE ARE GOING TO BE YOUR NEIGHBORS, HOW DO WE GET ALONG? HOW CAN WE HAVE A SYMBIOTIC RELATIONSHIP WITH THE AIRPORT? WE WENT OH MY GOD, WHO ARE YOU? WHERE ARE YOU FROM?YOU DON'T KNOW THE BOSS HALL WAY OF DOING CLAY COUNTY WHERE YOU HIDE ZONING UNDER BUSHES AND YOU TELL THE PEOPLE THAT THOSE INVITATIONS WERE LOST BY THE POST OFFICE, ALL SIX OF THEM? THAT IS HOW THE TRAILER PARK AND PUT IN. NOW WE FOUND OUT THAT THESE GUYS COME AND TALK TO US. THEY HAVE A MAP AND SAY WHAT YOU GUYS WANT HERE? THEY GAVE US A MAP AND SAID WHAT DO YOU GUYS WANT? HOW DO WE GET ALONG? HOW ABOUT AT THE END OF YOUR RUNWAYS, HOW DO WE WORK THAT? THE PEOPLE CAME DOWN HERE AND RESPECTED US, THEY RESPECTED THE RESIDENCE OF CLAY COUNTY. WHAT A BREATH OF FRESH AIR TO SAYS THIN. WE KNOW IT'S COMING, HOW DO WE GET ALONG? NOT BY HAVING DEVELOPERS COME DOWN HERE AND FLIPPING US THE BIRD, BUT BY HAVING PEOPLE COME DOWN HERE AND SPEAKING TO US AND REQUESTING OUR INPUT AND FINDING OUT HOW WE CAN HAVE A SAFE ENVIRONMENT TOGETHER.

THE AGRICOLA HAS DONE THAT. I KNOW YOU LOOK AT THIS AND THERE IS A LOT OF STUFF THERE. WE WILL HELP OUT ANYWAY WE CAN.

EVEN IF WE HAVE TO ADJUST OUR FLIGHTPATH A LITTLE BIT TO GET ALONG, WE WILL DO THAT. THESE PEOPLE CAME DOWN AND ACTUALLY RESPECTED US. THAT IS SOMETHING WE DO NOT GET BEFORE. KRISTOF, WHEREVER HE IS, HE IS A GENTLEMAN. I THINK THIS GROUP REALLY NEED TO HAVE A LOOK AT I STRONGLY RECOMMEND - -.

>> NEXT WE HAVE KAREN KUHN AND THAT IS THE LAST COMMENT CARD I

HAVE ON THIS MATTER. >> MY NAME IS KAREN KUHN.

(STATES NAME AND ADDRESS). WE HAVE QUITE A BIT OF CONCERN BECAUSE NUMBER ONE WITH THE PUBLIC MEETINGS THAT WERE OVER A YEAR AGO, OUR LITTLE NICHE IS SQUARED OUT AND NONE OF US WERE EVER INVITED. WE WERE NEVER NOTIFIED OF IT SO WE DO NOT COME OF THIS UNTIL THE ZONING.

WE HAD NO INPUT UNTIL MR. AGRICOLA AND HIS SON CAME PERSONALLY TO OUR HOUSE AFTER THE LAST ZONE AND PLANNING

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IT HASNT BROUGHT ANY JOBS. WE MET PEOPLE WHO COME IN AND OUT OF THEIR THAT WORKED THERE AND NONE OF THEM WERE FROM CLAY COUNTY . OUR OTHER CONCERN IS WATER MITIGATION. WE SAW WERE THEY HAVE MARKED WETLANDS. WHERE THE WATER FEEDS INTO THA CRETIN COMES OUT , THAT IS NOT ON THE WETLANDS.

IT HAS BEEN WET FOR THE WHOLE TIME I HAVE LIVED HERE.

I HAVE LIVED HERE FOR OVER 30 SOMETHING YEARS.

WE DON'T WANT THE ROAD BEHIND US.

SINCE THE LAND MANAGERS WHICH I KNOW IS NO PROBLEM - - PAINTED THEIR TREES. MY BACKYARD, MY NEIGHBORS BACKYARD ON BOTH SIDES STAYS FLOODED.

WHEN IT IS WET. WHEN YOU COME IN A DEVELOPMENT IN OUR ROAD, DO YOU NOT THINK THAT WATER WILL AFFECT US ALSO?

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. >> THANK YOU.

I DO NOT HAVE ANY MORE PUBLIC COMMENT CARDS.

IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WISHES TO BE HEARD ON THISMATTER ? ONE MORE PERSON? PLEASE COME FORWARD.

>> (STATES NAME AND ADDRESS). I AM NOT A VERY GOOD PUBLIC SPEAKER, BUT MY CONCERN IS THAT A LOT OF THE PEOPLE, SOMEBODY MENTIONED PETERS CREEK AND GOVERNORS CREEK WHICH STARTS WAY OVER THERE THROUGH THE NORTH AND GO TOTHE SOUTH .

IT GOES DOWN BY - - IS WHERE I'M ABOVE, SHED ROAD.

I SEE ANOTHER DEVELOPMENT COMING OUT.

WHERE DOES THE WATER GO? THESE WETLANDS ARE IMPORTANT, THAT ARE OTTERS, BEAVERS AND OTHER ENVIRONMENTAL EAGLES, BEARS. GREEN COVE IS A QUAINT PLACE, IT HAS TO GROW, YES BUT NEED TO STAY QUAINT SO IS ATTRACTIVE.

NOT FLOODING, ERRATIC BUILDINGS.

THE AGRICULTURAL WETLANDS KEEPS OUR - - GOING.

THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO ME AND PLEASE, NIKKI YOUR UTMOST PRIORITY TO KEEP OUR BEAUTIFUL CITY BEAUTIFUL BECAUSE OF THESE ENVIRONMENTAL WETLANDS, THANK YOU.

>> DO WE HAVE ANYONE ELSE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK ON THIS?

ONE MORE PERSON? >> (STATES NAME AND ADDRESS).

I OWN THE FIRST 2 ACRES WHERE THEIR DRIVE WILL BE COMING IN.

IT GOES COMPLETELY DOWN, THE TWO NATURES.

ON THE BACKSIDE OF MY HOME. THE 1ST ACRE IS REGULAR

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I HAVE NEVER MET THESE PEOPLE BEFORE.

I AM NOT THE ONLY ONE OFF OF CULPEPPER ROAD.

I AM SURE THAT MY NEIGHBORS DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THIS.

I CHOOSE TO LIVE IN THAT LITTLE PINE ROAD.

OTHER PEOPLE CHOOSE TO LIVE ON THE BEACH.

I MOVED OUT THERE BECAUSE I WANTED TO EXPERIENCE NATURE.

WHEN I SEE THE HAWKS AND THE OWLS, I HEAR THEM.

WHEN IT RAINS, YOU CAN STAND IN THE YARD NEAR THE WATER OF THE RAIN COMING THROUGH THE WOODS. YOU BETTER RUN.

THAT IS WHAT I BOUGHT THE PROPERTY FOUR.

211 ENTRANCE INTO THIS MADHOUSE, IT'S ME, AND ACRE MAYBE IN THE NURSERY. IT'S GOING TO COME PIE SHAPED ACROSS THE BACK OF THEHOUSE . I WISH SOMEBODY WOULD MAKE IT A POINT TO GO DOWN CULPEPPER ROA .

THERE ARE PROBABLY 10 HOUSES BACK THERE, JUST TALK TOUS AND LET US KNOW . AS FAR AS MALE OR ANYONE COMING UP, NOT AT ALL. A LOT OF US HAVE BEEN THERE FOR 30 YEARS. I WOULD NOT ACCEPT IT.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. >> IS ANYONE ELSE THAT WISHES TO BE HEARD ON THIS MATTER? AT THIS TIME, I AM GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ALSO, IF THE APPLICANT WISHES TO RESPOND TO ANY OF THE PUBLIC COMMENTS.

>> ALL RIGHT, I DO MY BEST TO TAKE NOTES SO WE CAN COVER IT.

THE FIRST CONCERN WAS ABOUT WILDLIFE CORRIDORS IN THE LOW-LYING AREAS OF WATER RUNOFF.

THE WATER CAME UP A FEW TIMES AS WELL AS WETLANDS AND OTHER THINGS. I WOULD WAGER TO SAY THAT JUST CONCEPT IS BY FAR THE MOST ADVANCED THINKING IN STORMWATE , ENVIRONMENTAL STEWARDSHIP, WETLAND SENSITIVITY THAT YOU HAVE EVER SEEN IN THE COUNTY. MAYBE IN THE REGION, MAYBE IN THE STATES. WE HAVE GOT LOCAL ENGINEERS WORKING ON IT TO UNDERSTAND THE SPECIFICS GOING ON HERE WITH YOUR SOILS. WE ALSO HAVE NATIONAL STORMWATER EXPERTS THAT ARE A PART OF OUR TEAM AND DESIN PROCESS AND HAD BEEN CONSULTED ALL ALONG AS WE GO.

WE ARE BRINGING THE BEST PRACTICES AND SEEKING THAT UP WITH WHAT YOU CAN ACTUALLY DO HERE.

THE WILDLIFE CORRIDOR IS SOMETHING THAT WE ACTUALLY HAVE THOUGHT TO PRESERVE THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS.

ONE OF THE QUESTIONS CAME UP A COUPLE DIFFERENT WAYS, THE WILDLIFE CORRIDOR MAYBE ONE OF THE EXAMPLES OF BITS.

WE TALKED ABOUT IT, HOW DO YOU ALL KNOW WE ARE GOING TO DO IT? THAT IS ONE OF THE THINGS DIFFERENT ABOUT IT.

THOSE THINGS ARE NOT CHANGEABLE WITHOUT SOMEBODY COMING HERE AND DOING THIS AGAIN AND SAYING YOU KNOW ALL THE THING AGRICOLA SAID? THEY TOLD US THE PROPERTY, WE DON'T LIKE THAT AND WILL DO SOMETHING ELSE.

YOU ALL GET TO SAY YES OR NO AND THEY COULD TO COME SAY NO THANK YOU. THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WILL BE IMPORTANT AS WE GO.THEN HE GOES BACK TO HOW DO YOU ENSURE THAT PATIENT OF THESE PRETTY PICTURES? SAME ANSWER TO THAT OF THE WILDLIFE CORRIDOR AS WELL.

WE HAVE A LENGTHY PRESENTATION ABOUT THE PROJECT.

ONE OF THE SLIDES ACTUALLY SHOWS ALL OF THESE DIFFERENT CONCEPTS FOR WILDLIFE AND HABITAT PRESERVATION, EVEN SHOWING TURTLE AND SALAMANDER CROSSINGS UNDER ROADS AND

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WE SAID COME ON OVER, BRING THEM OVER.

THOSE ARE THE KINDS OF THINGS THAT WE WANT TO DO.

A COUPLE OF THINGS THERE. ONE OF THE THINGS, RIGHT NOW WHILE THE SITE LOOKS VERY CRUD , AGAIN, IS PINE FARM WHICH IS NOT A GREAT HABITATS FOR MOST CREATURES.LOTS OF THEM HAVE BEEN PUSHED OFF, ONE OF THE THINGS WE ARE DOING IS AN INTENSIVE REFORESTATION PROGRAM.

BRINGING BACK THE NATIVE FOREST.

NOT ONLY IS THAT 50% OF THE LAND, IT WILL BE CONVERTED INTO ACTUAL FLORIDA WOODLAND FOR THE CREATURES WANT TO BE.

THAT IS THAT. THE COMMUNITY KICKOFF THE NOTIFICATION THOSE KINDS OF THINGS, THERE ARE COUPLE THINGS THAT WENT INTO THAT. ESPECIALLY IN A RURAL COMMUNITY IN THE COUNTY, IT IS DIFFICULT TO GET THE WORD OUT.

HEARING SOME OF THE CONCERNS WE HAVE TONIGHT, IT WOULD BE STANDING ROOM ONLY IF ENOUGH PEOPLE KNEW THAT THERE WAS A PROJECT GOING ON OF ANY SIZE. AGRICOLE'S ARE VERY DIFFERENT DILIGENCE OF GETTING OUT THE WERE THE BEST THEY COULD.

THEY GOT ADDRESSES THEY COULD. WE DID A PRESS RELEASE ABOUT THE WEBPAGES BEEN UP. I EVEN TOLD PEOPLE WHO CAME TO THE DESIGN WORKSHOP OR SHOP PROCESS, CARPAL MAKE THEM AND BRING PEOPLE WITH YOU. IT IS ILLEGAL TO DO THAT.

AS PEOPLE, WRONG, AFTER THE LAST MEETING BECAME A TALK TO US, - - ANYONE WHO IS NOT BEEN TALKED TO SO FAR, DON'T WORRY, WE'RE HAPPY TO TALK AND GET YOU INVOLVED IN THE CONVERSATION.

THE PROPERTY HAS NEVER BEEN MINED, THE PROPERTY NEXT WAS HAS BEEN. THE WETLAND SETBACK SOMETHING WE SELF-IMPOSED RIGHT AWAY. SO MUCH OF IT IS MONOTONOUS SO WE SAY HERE ARE THE WETLANDS, WE DON'T WANT TO GO NEXT TO THEM, LET'S SET THIS BUFFER AND IMPOSE IT UPON OURSELVES.

THE SPRINGBANK ROAD ACCESS, WE NEED TO CONNECT TO THE NORTH.

THE PRIMARY CONNECTION CONCEPT TO GO TO GOVERNORS PARK.

IF YOU LOOK AT THEIR PUD, AS A GIANT ARROW POINTING DOWN TO OUR SITE AS WELL. IT GOES UP TO THE ENTRY EXCHANGE FOR WHAT WE DON'T WANT TO DO IS PUT CONNECTIONS FROM AROUND THE SITE. ALL THE TRAFFIC IS TO GO OVER THERE. THE WAY YOU DEAL WITH TRAFFIC THE MOST RESPONSIBLY IS TO HAVE A MULTITUDE OF CONNECTIONS.

IF YOU LIVE IN DECEMBER ON THE SITE, YOU MIGHT GO ON THAT WE, BUT NOBODY IN BOTH CASES, ALL THE TRAFFIC GOING OUT IN ONE PLACE. THE AGRICULTURE IS HARVEY FARM CONCEPT. THERE WILL BE HOBBY FARMS FOR SHORT. WE HOPE THERE WILL BE AGRICULTURE OF REGIONAL CONSEQUENCE .

I AM WONDERING IF MAYBE WE CAN GET THE CONTACT INFORMATION, THAT IS THEIR BUSINESS AS A NEIGHBOR.

HOWEVER WE CAN TIE IN AND BE INVOLVED IN THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IS IMPORTANT FOR US. THERE IS NO HIDING THE BALL, WE HAVE NO REQUIREMENT TO DO AGRICULTURE, WE WANT TO DO AGRICULTURE. IF NOT AGRICULTURE, A COASTAL FOREST OR PRESERVE OF SOME SORT.

WE THINK IT IS A BENEFIT TO THE COMMUNITY IN THE REGION.

THE SCHOOL AND FIRE DEPARTMENT FUNDING QUESTION CAME UP, SOMETHING WE ARE OBVIOUSLY, OUR COMMITMENT AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH THAT. THERE ARE IMPACT FEES AND VARIOUS THINGS, THAT'S A NEWER THING.

HOPEFULLY GOING ABOVE AND BEYOND.

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THEY SAID WE WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO BE IN THE COMMUNITY.

WE GOT THE STATION RIGHT OUTSIDE AND I WANT TO SPEND A BUNCH OF MONEY FIXING IT UP. CAN YOU PAUSE THAT FOR A MINUTE TAKE A MINUTE AND BE A PART OF IT TOO BUT WE FIND THAT FIRE STATIONS ARE GREAT CIVIC COMMUNITY.

THE FIRE STATIONS COME OUT AND DO CHILI COOKOFF RATHER THAN HAVING IT BEYOND THE SPEEDY HIGHWAY ON 17.

IF THERE ARE LAKES OF THE WE CAN DO WATER RESCUETRAINING .

WE HOPE TO GET THEM IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

I THINK THAT WAS EVERYTHING. >> COMMISSIONER - - WANTED TO

ASK YOU A QUESTION. >> MR. RAY, THIS IS FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE COMMUNITY THIS QUESTION.

CAN YOU TALK TO US BECAUSE THERE IS THE CONCERN ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL PARCELS AND STORM WATER. HIS GREATEST HIGHLIGHT WHETHER SOMEONE IS GOING TO GO, HOW IT WILL BECAPTURED .

>> ABSOLUTELY, THANK YOU. ONE OF THE BENEFITS OF HOW WE ARE THINKING ABOUT IT AND LAID UP ALL PROJECT, WE TOOK INTO CONSIDERATION EVEN THOUGH THERE IS NOT MUCH TOPOGRAPHY ON THE SITE, WE DO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF - - ON THE SITES.

LOOKING AT WHERE WATER WANTS TO GO NATURALLY, WE KNOW THAT THERE ARE REGULATIONS THAT PROTECT THE NEIGHBORS SO WE CAN'T JUST PUT OUR WATER ON THE NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTY, THAT'S ILLEGAL. WE WERE NOT WANT TO ANYWAY.

WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO DO IS IDENTIFY PROBLEMSTHAT PEOPLE ARE HAVING AND SEE IF THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES TO HELP SOLVE THOSE PROBLEMS BECAUSE WE ARE DEALING WITH STORMWATER ANYWAY.

CREATING BUFFERS AS NECESSARY, BUT EVEN MORE IMPORTANTLY, INCORPORATING ALL THE STORMWATER REQUIREMENTS THAT NEED TO BE DEALT WITH. HAPPY TO TALK IN DEPTH ABOUT THAT, BUT IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE AS MUCH LAND AS WE HAVE, IT IS YET TO BE CONFIRMED ABOUT IF YOU ARE THOUGHTFUL.

THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO JUST SORT OF DO WHATEVER I DON'T REALLY CARE ABOUT IT. MAYBE WE WILL GET FINED DOWN THE ROAD, BUT THAT IS NOT OUR APPROACH.

WE ARE PROBLEM-SOLVING AND WE CAN GO CAUSE PROBLEMS FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE AND THEY DON'T LOOK AT FACTS.

WHAT WE WANT TO DO IS HAVE MORE PEOPLE LIKE THE FOLKS WHO DO PARTICIPATE, THEY CAME AND FIRED UP AND WERE REALLY CONCERNED AND READY FOR A FIGHT, HONESTLY.

BY THE TIME WE GET FINISHED, THEY SAW WHAT WE ARE DOING AND WE HAVE PEOPLE WHO SAY I WOULD RATHER HAVE NOTHING BUT IF TWO

SOMETHING, LET'S HAVE THIS. >> JUST TO PUT ABOUT ONE THAT, ANY FROM WHAT WILL BE CAPTURED AND CONTROLLED ON THE PROPERTY AND NOT OFF ONTO THE NEIGHBORS? I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE BECAUSE THERE WERE REPEATED CONCERNS ABOUT THAT.

THANK YOU MR. WRIGHT. >> ARE THERE OTHER QUESTIONS

FROM THE COMMISSION? >> THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION, WE HAVE ALREADY SPOKEN BEFORE.

I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY A COUPLE THINGS WITH THE PUBLIC.

I AM LOOKING YOUR DESCRIPTION OF THE PROPOSAL, YOUR ESTIMATES ARE LITTLE BIT OFF BASE OF THE STUDENT GENERATION RATES FOR I CALCULATED 800 FOR ELEMENTARY STUDENTS, 237 JUNIOR HIGH AND 494 HIGH SCHOOL. SINCE REGULATIONS WERE DONE, STUDENT GENERATION RATES HAVE GONE UP SOMEPLACE ON THE MOST RECENT IMPACT FEE STUDIES. I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE PUBLIC BECAUSE THERE IS A MISCONCEPTION THAT DEVELOPERS DONATE LAND AND IN YOUR TERMINOLOGY HERE IT SAYS DONATE. VERY RARELY, I DON'T KNOW OF ANY CASE WHERE THERE IS A TRIBULATION.

IF YOU CAN CHANGE THE TERMINOLOGY, IS NOT NECESSARILY A DONATION. THAT IS NOT NECESSARILY TRUE,

JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT KNOWN. >> FAIR ENOUGH.

>> I CAN SIT HERE AND TALK ABOUT THIS FOR A LONG TIME, BUT I'VE BEEN HERE ON THIS PANEL FOR A LOT LONGER THAN MOST HERE. I CAN TELL YOU THAT I HAVE HEARD THIS PICTURE BEFORE. I HAD HEARD THIS PITCH.

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MAN, THEY SOUND SO ROSY, THEY SOUND SO WONDERFUL.

YOURS DOES TOO. HOWEVER, I DON'T EVEN REMEMBER WHEN IT WAS THE GOVERNOR'S PARK WHEN SARATOGA SPRINGS CAME THROUGH HERE. THAT IS PRETTY MUCH UNTURNED DIRT, STILL. I WILL ASK A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS, WHY DO YOU THINK THIS WILL BE DIFFERENT? WE WERE FURTHER AWAY FROM THE AREA THAT IS ORGANIZED RIGHT NOW. I EVEN QUESTIONED THE DEMAND FOR HOUSING. I KNOW THAT THE STATE HAS NUMBERS, BUT I DO READ THE NEWSPAPERS.

RIGHT NOW, IT SEEMS LIKE WE MIGHT HAVE A OUTMIGRATION OF PEOPLE FROM FLORIDA. PEOPLE ARE COMING HERE BUT PEOPLE ARE LEAVING BECAUSE THEY CANNOT AFFORD THE HOMEOWNERS INSURANCE ANYMORE. WE ARE DRIVING PEOPLE OUT OF THE STATE AN ESTIMATED REAL ATTRACTIVE, THEY PROBABLY WOULD COME. BUT, WE HAVE BEEN WAITING AND WAITING FOR GOVERNOR'S PARK. THAT IS IMMEDIATELY NORTH OF YOU. THERE IS NO ACTIVITY IN THERE.

I AM JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHY YOU THINK YOURS WILL BE DIFFERENT. SOME OF THE THINGS YOU HAVE SPOKEN ABOUT ARE ATTRACTIVE, NO DOUBT, BUT THE SAME PROMISES WERE MADE ABOUT OAKLEAF AND OTHER PLACES.

THEY DON'T HAPPEN. I MET THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT BECAUSE GETTING THOSE AS WELL OVER TIME.

YOU WILL HAVE AN EXCHANGE TABLE AND ABLE TO IF WE CAN SELL THE COMMERCIAL PROPERTY, WE WENT TO - -. WE HAD THIS HAPPEN IN EAGLE LANDING. THEY CAME IN AND SAID WE CAN'T SELL THIS PROPERTY, WE NEED TO PUT HOUSES ON IT.

WITHIN TWO YEARS, THE HOSPITALS WANTED TO PUT IN A BIG HOSPITAL ON 220 WHICH IS A BIT ON THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT WE CONVERTED TO RESIDENTIAL. THIS HAPPENS OVER AND OVER.

IT'S KIND OF A HONEYPOT THAT IT'S THE GREATEST THING EVER.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU THINK THEY WOULD BE THAT MUCH DEMAND FURTHER SOUTH. YOU CAN'T SELL THE STUFF CLOSER TO THE URBAN AREAS NOW. YOU SEE YOUR PRESENTATION THAT BUILDERS ARE COMING SAYING WE WANT TO BUILD HOUSES, THERE ARE ALMOST 36,000 PLACES THEY CAN PUT A HOUSE ONRIGHT NOW .

WHY AREN'T THEY BUILDING THERE? A LOT OF THE SOUNDS VERY GOOD, IT'S AN EXCELLENT PRESENTATION AND LOOKS A LOT LIKE THE OTHER DRI PRESENTATIONS WE HAVE SEEN OVER THE YEARS.

I'M JUST NOT CONVINCED, I KNOW YOU HAVE A 30 YEAR HORIZON HERE WHICH MEANS I AM GOING TO BE NOT HERE BY THE TIME THIS 30 YEARS HAPPENS. GOVERNOR'S PARK, SARATOGA SPRINGS, IS 20 YEARS LATER AND NOTHING IS HAPPENING.

I NEED TO BE CONVINCED THAT THERE IS A REASON TO DO THIS NOW. MAYBE THERE'S A REASON TO DO IT DOWN THE ROAD BUT WITH THE REASON THE DO IT NOW? I WILL PREEMPT SOMETHING THAT SOMEONE'S GOING TO SAY, IT'S ONLY A TRANSMITTAL HEARING. IF YOU VOTE TO TRANSMITTANCE, YOU ARE BASICALLY SAYING I WANT TO AGREE WITH THIS AND IT NEEDS TO BE DONE. WHEN I THINK OF TO TALLAHASSEE WILL COME THROUGH WITH VERY FEW COMMENTS.

WE ARE NEVER GOING TO SEE THIS AGAIN.

PEOPLE TO TRANSMIT THIS, YOU MIGHT AS WELL SAY IT'S AGOOD IDEA . I'M NOT SURE ON THERE.

THANK YOU. >> REASONABLE, THE QUESTIONS WE

HAVE ASKED OURSELVES. >> WHEN I LOOKED AT IT, IT

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IT'S OUTSIDE OF ATLANTA IN THE MIDDLE OF THE WOODS, YOU THINK YOU ARE OUT THERE AND ALL THE SUDDEN, IS ONE OF THE MOST AMAZING PLACES YOU'VE EVER SEEN.

THE IDEA - -. - - WHICH GIVES US A HUGE ADVANTAGE.

IT ALSO GIVES YOU THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE DEVELOPMENT THAT YOU ARE ALL EXCITED ABOUT FOR ONCE.

WE KNOW THAT IS NOT THE CASE NORMALLY IN THE UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN. THE HOUSING NEEDS IS A VERY DETAILED AND DEEP DISCUSSION. IN A NUTSHELL, IF WE CAN'T COUNT ON THE DATA, THAT IS ONE THING.

AND LOOKING AT THE DATA, IT SHOWS THAT THERE IS A FEATURE HOUSING NEED TO COME. THEY ARE NOT LOOKING FOR VOLUME.THEY'RE LOOKING FOR QUALITY AND CHARACTER.

THAT IS WHY WHEN YOU LOOK AT OUR BUILDING AND ARE FACING, 30 YEARS UNHEARD-OF. WE ARE DOING WAY FEWER UNITS THAN MOST PEOPLE DO. MOST PEOPLE, AND ASK FOR 6000

UNITS.>> I JUST WANTED TO ADDRESS A COUPLE OF THINGS.

NUMBER ONE, YOU ASKED WHY BUILDERS WERE CALLING US.

THERE IS A LOT OF ENTITLED LAND AND WHY THIS PLACE AS OPPOSED TO ANYTHING ELSE. MY QUESTION IS, DO YOU WANT TO SEE ANOTHER 500 HOME SUBDIVISION WITH ONE ADDRESS OR DO YOU WANT TO SEE SOMETHING THAT IS DIFFERENT THAT HAS NO EXCUSES AND IS A PART OF THE COUNTY THAT IS RURAL THAT WE WERE TRYING OUR HARDEST TO KEEP TO THE CHARACTER OF.

WE ARE DIFFERENT, I THINK GOVERNOR'S PARK IS GREAT.

THEY HAVE A DEVELOPMENT AND WAS APPROVED A LONG TIME AGO.

SO WERE A LOT OF THESE OTHER PLACES.YOU HAVE HEARD A LOT OF THIS BEFORE BUT IN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT IN OUR PUD AND OUR PLANS, WE HAVE GONE FAR ABOVE AND BEYOND WHAT ANY OF THOSE DEVELOPERS DID AS FAR AS THINGS LIKE I SAID BEFORE.

THERE IS A CONVERSION TABLE AND DAVID THERE'S ALSO FACING TABL . IT'S NOT BASED ON TIME WERE YOU GUYS APPROVED THIS AT THE END OF THIS YEAR AND 30 YEARS FROM NOW WE CAN JUST WAIT FOR 30 YEARS AND BUILD OUT EVERYTHING.

IT TIED TO THE START DATE OF WHEN WORK HAPPENS WHICH CANNOT EVEN HAPPEN UNTIL 2025 BASED ON AVAILABILITY OF SERVICES SUCH

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IT ALSO SAYS BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO THE NEXT PHASE OF RESIDENTIAL, THERE IS A COMMERCIAL SQUARE FOOTAGE THAT HAS TO BE FILLED AND ACCOUNTED FOR.

THE ONES THAT ARE WATCHING THE. NOT NAVY SO COMMITTED TO SOME OF THE STUFF, MY FAMILY IS NOT DEVELOPERS.

WE HAVE BEEN IN THE AGRICULTURE AND TIMBER BUSINESS OUR ENTIRE LIVES. WE HAVE BEEN A LITTLE BIT OF CONSERVATION WORK WITH THE STATE OF FLORIDA AS WELL.

IT'S ONE OF THE FIRST PROJECTS DONE WITH THE STATE OF FLORIDA UNDER THE PRESERVATION 2000. WE ARE NOT SOME BE DEVELOPMENT COMPANY THAT IS TRYING TO THROW A BUNCH OF HOUSES OUT THERE AND MAKE A BUNCH OF MONEY AS QUICKLY AS WE CAN.

WE ARE TRYING TO DO SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT AND THAT'S WHY WE ARE DOING THAT NOW, IT COULD BE I HAVE BEEN THINKING AND SHALL WE HAVE A PLAN HERE AND GUIDE THE COUNTY.

READY FOR WHEN DEVELOPMENT COMES.

>> ONE OF THE REASONS IT HAS TAKEN SO LONG TO GET HERE TONIGHT, WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS SO LONG.

WE HAD TO FIGURE OUT WHAT ARE THE THINGS THAT HAVE NOT BEEN WORKING THAT MADE AWARE THERE IS A CONCERN ABOUT DEVELOPMENT IN THE REGION TOO WE OVERLAY THAT SO EVERYTHING WE TALKED ABOUT IS IN THERE. THERE IS AN APP FOR THAT.WE HAVE IT ALL FIGURED OUT. THAT'S WHY IT'S IMPORTANT TO GET BEYOND THE STEP SO YOU ALL CAN REALLY DIG INTO THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, THE PUD AND EVERYONE CAN READ THAT STUFF THAT'S IN THERE. PYOU EVEN SOMETIMES AGAINST THE EVENTS AGAINST THE ADVICE OF OUR TEAMMATES, - - GROWTH AND

DEVELOPMENT. >> ARE THERE MORE QUESTIONS FOR THE COMMISSION? MR. ADDISON?

>> I DO HAVE A QUESTION. YOU ARE NEGOTIATIONS OR TALK TO CHARTER SCHOOLS AS FAR AS HER MEDICATION, IS THAT A TRUE

STATEMENT? >> WE HAVE ONLY HEARD WE MAY NOT BE ABLE TO HAVE A NORMAL PUBLICSCHOOL IS A PART OF WHAT WE ARE DOING, WE SAID IS IMPORTANT FOR US TO HAVE SCHOOLS NO MATTER HOW . IF A PERFECT TO HAVE ONE OF YOUR SCHOOLS. AGAIN, WE HAVE THE DESIRE TO HAVE MULTIPLE SCHOOLS WITHIN THE COMMUNITY.

IT MAY NOT WORK FOR YOUR ALL PLAN A STRATEGY.

WE ARE NOT SAYING THAT IS OUR PREFERENCE.

>> I DO HAVE A QUESTION OF WHAT WAS WRITTEN.

>> WE KNOW AND ACKNOWLEDGE THAT IT DOES NOT RELEASE US OR GIVE US ANY CREDITS OR ANYTHING. WE ARE STILL REQUIRED TO PAY

THE FEES. >> SO CHARTER SCHOOLS IF YOU REMEMBER TRADITIONAL CHARTER SCHOOL IS A PRIVATE ENTITY THAT IS PUBLICLY FUNDED. I HAVE A QUESTION, IT SAYS IN THE END OF YOUR STATEMENT, MOVING FORWARD IT CAME TO 50% CAPACITY FOR INTERNAL RESIDENTIAL STUDENTS.

YOU RETAIN THE CHARTER SCHOOL WON'T ACCEPT ANYTHING OUTSIDE

OF YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD? >> NO, I WILL PROBABLY HAVE TO DEFER TO SOMEONE ELSE BUT IN OUR DISCUSSIONS WITH CHARTER SCHOOL OPERATORS, THEY HAVE SAID THERE'S NOTHING THEY CAN DO THAT THEY BASICALLY, IT'S A LOTTERY SYSTEM.

I DON'T NEED TO EXPLAIN TO YOU HOW THAT WORKS, BUT IT'S A LOTTERY SYSTEM, YOU CAN APPLY TO GO TO THE SCHOOL BUT I BELIEVE THAT THERE IS A STATE STATUTE OR SOMETHING THAT ALLOWS THEM TO OBSERVE RESERVE 50%, ALMOST CONTAINED WITHIN A GEOGRAPHIC LOCATION FOR OUR COMMUNITY.

NOT SAYING IT WILL HAVE ALSO PEOPLE COMING IN THERE FOR ONE OF THE IMPORTANT PARTS OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO HERE AND HAVING A SCHOOL ON-SITE IS HAVE KIDS BEING ABLE TO WALK TO SCHOOL. IF KIDS AND SEE IF HE WALKED TO SCHOOL, THAT IS KIND OF OUR GOAL.

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>> OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION?

>> I HAVE A COUPLE.THIS IS PROBABLY LIMITED TO LOOKING AT THE PUD, BUT ONE OF MY PERSONAL CONCERNS AND I HEARD SOME OF THE COMMENTERS SAY THE SAME THING.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT DRIVES ME CRAZY IN ALL OF THESE DEVELOPMENTS IS THE REQUIREMENT THAT PEOPLE PLANT CERTAIN PLANTS AND GRASSES TO KEEP THEM GREEN.

THAT IS NOT VERY GOOD FOR WATER CONSERVATION.

WE ARE PUTTING HALF OF THE DRINKABLE WATER IN FLORIDA ON THE GROUND INSTEAD OF USING IT I KNOW THERE WILL PROBABLY BE REUSE WATER AVAILABLE AND THAT IS FINE, BUT IT'S MORE THE REQUIREMENT THAT HOA'S PUT ON PEOPLE THAT SAYS YOU GOT TO HAVE SEEN AUGUSTINE GRASS, IT HAS TO BE GREEN, IF IT'S NOT GREEN, YOU HAVE TO RE-SOD AND ALL THE DOINGS DURING OUR

DRINKING WATER ON THE GROUND. >> THAT IS ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS WE ADDRESS WITH BRIAN. I LOVE FLORIDA, LOVE THE SPRINGS, LOVE OUR WATER. IT'S ONE OF OUR MOST PRECIOUS RESOURCES. I THINK IT'S THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT OR THE PUD, WE HAVE TALKED WITH AND HAVE PROVISIONS FOR AND RESTRICTIONS, WE WILL HAVE REQUIREMENTS FOR PEOPLE PLANT BUT IT IS FLORIDA NATIVE LANDSCAPING.ZERO OR LOW IRRADIATION USES AND USING ONLY REUSE WATER FOR IRRIGATION TO TRY AND OFFSET THAT. ONCE AGAIN, BEING A NATIONAL MODEL, WE WANT TO SHOW THAT AND TRY AND DO SOMETHING.

>> I AM HAPPY BUT THE REUSED WATER, BUT ONE SECRET THAT CLAY UTILITIES IS DOWN TO PUT OUT ABOUT REUSED WATER, IF YOU ARE TO SUCCESSFUL USING REUSED WATER, THEY PUT DRINKING WATER IN THOSE SAME PIPES. DID YOU KNOW THAT? THEY CALL IT UNTREATED, THEY DO RUN INTO THE TREATMENT PROCESS BUT IT IS STILL COMING OUT OF THE AQUIFER.

>> THAT IS ONE OF THE THINGS. THE ONLY PLACE YOU WILL HAVE ANY ONE WOULD BE IN A PARK.WE ARE LITERALLY PROHIBITING LAWN . IT'S PLANT MATERIALS THAT DON'T NEED TO BE IRRIGATED AND IF THEY WERE GOING IN THE WOODS.

WE JUST SCRATCH THE SURFACE. >> I HAVE IT PRINTED OUT AND TRIED TO READ AS MUCH AS I PUT IN TWO DAYS.

NOT TO YOU GUYS, BUT PROBABLY THE PLANNING.

ESPECIALLY SINCE DCA HAS GONE AWAY, WE ARE BASICALLY RESPONSIBLE FOR ALL THOSE ACTIVITIES AT THE COUNTY LEVEL NOW. I THINK IT WOULD'VE BEEN HELPFUL, AT LEAST TO ME TO OF THE WORKSHOP JUST ON THIS.

THE PUBLIC WORKSHOP, COMING HERE FOR THREE, FOUR, FIVE HOURS, WHATEVER IT TAKES AND HAVE GONE THROUGH THIS THING AND REALLY DRILL DOWN AND IT. I WISH WE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY.

I LIKE THE PLAN, IT LOOKED VERY GOOD.

I WILL TELL YOU THAT AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT IS A BRIDGE TOO FAR. DON'T TAKE IT PERSONAL.

I THINK YOU HAVE DONE A LOT OF WORK, SOME REALLY GOOD WORK ON THIS. EVENTUALLY, IT WILL HAPPEN.

MAYBE NOT I WILL SEE IT. >> THIS IS MORE FOR STAFF, I THINK.MY CONCERN, MUCH LIKE MR. PUCKHABER I'VE BEEN ON HERE A LONG TIME AND NEVER THE SAME PRESENTATIONS AS HE HAS.

THE THING I'M CONCERNED THE MOST ABOUT IS A COUPLE OF STATEMENTS THAT WERE MADE ABOUT THEY WERE GIVING THE COUNTY PERMISSION TO WHATEVER IN THE PUD.

HOW DOES THE COUNTY HOLD THEM AND THEIR FEET TO THE FIRE? CASE IN POINT, THEY DECIDE TO SELL THOSE OFF TO SOMEONE DOWN THE ROAD, BECAUSE 2025 IS NOT ME JANUARY 1, 2025, IT CAN BE DECEMBER 1, 2025 WHICH TAKES US IN 2026.

WITHIN TWO YEARS, THEY MAY DECIDE THAT ONE POINT BUT THE PART SCRIPTED WHO WAS THE ORIGINAL DEVELOPER FOR GOVERNORS PARK, ABOUT A YEAR AGO I BELIEVE, THEY TOOK OVER FROM SOMEONE. THEY CAME BEFORE US AGAIN TO DO

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IT'S LIKE A NEBULOUS AREA FOR ME, I AM TRYING TO LOOK AT THI . THERE ARE A LOT OF GUARANTEES ALL THE TIME AND SOMETIMES I FEEL IT THE COUNTY GETS SCREWED OUT OF SOMETHING. I DON'T WANT TO SEE THAT HAPPEN

AGAIN. >> I UNDERSTAND.

BETWEEN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, THE PUD ITSELF, THERE'S SO MUCH DEPTH IN THIS. THIS IS THE FIRST FORM-BASED CODE WE HAVE SEEN IN THE COUNTY THAT IS MUCH MORE EFFECTIVE AT DIRECTING THE GROWTH AND CREATING THE END PRODUCT THAT YOU WANT TO SEE. IT ADDRESSES THE BUILDING DEVELOPMENT FROM A FORM-BASED, LITERALLY.

IT ADDRESSES THE MASSING OF THE BUILDINGS AND ALL OF THE ARCHITECTURAL STRUCTURING OF THE ZONING CODE IS NOT TOUCH AT ALL MOST OF THE TIME. THIS DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT IS VERY DETAILED IF THEY SELL IT TO SOMEONE ELSE.

THAT SOMEONE ELSE IS TO BUILD IT UNDER THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT OR BRING IT BACK WITH AN OPTION .

AGAIN, IT'S A PUBLIC PROCESS AND YOU AND THECOMMISSIONERS WOULD HAVE TO AGREE TO THE CHANGE .

>> MUCH LIKE MR. PUCKHABER SAID, ONCE IT COMES BACK.

>> THEY WANTED TO SEE IT. >> ANY CLARIFICATION ON THAT.

>> WE WILL BE BRINGING IT BACK. IT DOES NOT COME BACK TO THE LAND-USE CHANGE BUT THAT I DECIDED WE ARE GOING TO BRING IT ALONG WITH THE REZONING AND DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND ALL OF THAT. IT IS STILL A RECOMMENDATION AND WOULD LIKE TO GET THE STATES COMMENTS INTO THIS.

IT'S A REALLY GOOD SCOPE. >> IS ATTENTIVELY LISTEN COME BACK, THIS IS A PROJECT, I WILL GO ON A LITTLE RANCHFOR A SECOND. I WAS IN THIS APPLICATION BE PENALIZED FOR OTHER PROPERTIES .

THIS PROPERTY AND APPLICANT STANDS ONITS OWN .

OUT OF THE PRESENTATION AND WILL LOOK INTO THE DEVELOPMENT.

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE WHAT THIS LOOKS LIKE WHEN IT COMES BACK.

TO THAT END, WHAT GUARANTEE DO WE HAD THAT IT WILL COME BACK?

>> STAFF IS STATING THAT FOR YOU.

YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT ANYWAY, YOU WILL SEE THAT ALONG WITH THE PUD, THEY GO HAND-IN-HAND.

YOU WILL GET THOSE IN-DEPTH, WE WILL TRY TO GIVE THAT TO YOU AS EARLY ON AS POSSIBLE SO YOU CAN GET INTOIN-DEPTH .

IT IS IMPORTANT THAT YOU UNDERSTAND ALL OF THOSE PIECES OF IT, BUT WE WILL BRING THIS WITH IT.

>> BY APPROVING THIS TRANSMITTAL, IS NOT A CARTE BLANCHE APPROVAL FOR PLANNING AND ZONING?

>> IT IS NOT AN APPROVAL OF THE PROJECT.

>> JUST FOR THE RECORD, I DO LIKE THE PROJECT.

I'M NOT AGAINST THE PROJECT AT ALL, IJUST WANT TO SEE ONE OF THESE THINGS ACTUALLY DEVELOP . I THINK YOU WILL BE WONDERFUL FOR THE COUNTY AND FOR US TO CONTINUE ON THIS TYPE OF PATH FOR DEVELOPMENT RATHER THAN OVER DEVELOPING.

>> ALL RIGHT, I'LL BE READY FOR EMOTION?

>> I JUST WANT TO MAKE ONE QUICK COMMENTS.

IT'S JUST A COMMENT ABOUT FIRST OF ALL, WHERE DID YOU GET

36,000? >> THAT'S ALL BE ENTITLED.

>> SO GOVERNORS PARK AND THE VARIOUS? THE ONE ON THE REAL ONE IS THE HIGHLANDS.

THAT IS DECADES AGO ALMOST. I WAS CURIOUS WHERE THAT CAME, THERE ARE NOT 36,000 LOTS, I PROMISE YOU THAT.

>> A LOT OF THEM HAVE BEEN PROVIDED, BUT IT IS ENTITLED.

WOULD THAT BE THE RIGHT WORD? IT ENTITLED.

IF SOMEBODY COMES IN AND PLAQUES IT'S, THEY ARE ENTITLE

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. >> WE HAVE THIS PHILOSOPHICAL DEBATE REGULARLY. YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER THAT THESE GUYS ARE BUSINESS PEOPLE. THEY ARE SPENDING MILLIONS, POSSIBLY HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO BRING TO THIS POINT. THAT IS HIGH-RISK, HIGH LEVEL ROLLING THE DICE. THEY ARE NOT GOING TO DO WITHOUT ON THE RESEARCH. YOU MAY RECALL BECAUSE YOU HAVE BEEN HERE A LONG TIME, THERE WAS THIS LITTLE PLACE CALLED EAGLE HARBOR, REMEMBER THAT? LOOK WHAT AN IMPACT IT HAD ON THE COUNTY. BUT THE GUY SITTING RIGHT THERE, MR. DAVIS AND THE GROUP OF PEOPLE THAT HE WAS INVOLVED WITH MAJOR DEBT ON THE ISLAND AND TO THIS DAY, IT IS THE MOST ATTRACTIVE, MOST VALUABLE, MOST DESIRABLE PLACE TO LIVE IN CLAY COUNTY. IT IS ALSO ONE OF THE MOST DENSELY DEVELOPED PLACES AROUND.

YOU DROP DOWN 17, ESPECIALLY WHEN HE GETS OUT OF 220, THERE ARE ALL KINDS OF THE PULP ON EITHER SIDE OF IT.

YOU WILL NOT EVEN KNOW IT'S THERE.

THANKS THANKS TO MR. DAVIS. THE POINT IS TO THE PEOPLE THAT ARE HERE, YOU GET TO HAVE A SAY ON THAT.

MS. JOHNSON AND I EARLY ON, 1980 SOMETHING INVOLVED WHEN IT FIRST CAME OUT WITH THE VERY FIRST COMPLIMENT THE PLAN AND HERE WE ARE ALL THESE YEARS LATER STILL INVOLVED.

THAT IS WHERE YOU GET NOTIFIED AND TO BE AWARE OF AND KEEP YOUR NOSE TO THE GROUND. IT LOOKS LIKE NOBODY GOES THERE. I DON'T NOW, MAYBE NOW PEOPLE WILL BE AWARE OF BUT I LIKE THE IDEA OF A WORKSHOP.

THE MORE INFORMATION AND COMFORT PEOPLE GET TO MY THIS THING IS UNIQUE. YES, YOU'VE HEARD OF GOVERNORS PARK, THE SOMEBODY SOMEWHERE DECIDED IT WAS NOT FINANCIALLY FEASIBLE. THEY DON'T WANT TO LOSE MONEY.

WHILE OUT OF THE STAGE HERE, THE SOAPBOX, I WANT TO MAKE A QUICK COMMENTS. DON'T WANT TO BE TOO SPECIFIC, BUT THER WERE LIFELONG LANDOWNERS ALL UP AND DOWN SAND RIDGE ROAD. THERE ARE TWO LANE ROAD THAT YOU DO NOT WANT TO BE ON AFTER DARK BECAUSE IT WAS SO NARROW AND UP AND DOWN. NOW LOOK AT IT.

THERE ARE HOUSES AND HOUSES AND HOUSES.

THERE IS A GENTLEMAN THAT SOLD A FAIRLY LARGE PIECE OF PROPERTY THROUGH THERE. HE LOVES CLAY COUNTY, SALT OF THE EARTH GUY, BUT WITH SOMEBODY COMES ALONG AND OFFERS YOU A FEW MILLION DOLLARS OF YOUR PROPERTY, GUESS WHAT? YOU WILL DO WHAT IS RIGHT BY YOUR FAMILY AND SELL YOUR PROPERTY. THEY HAVE A RIGHT TO DO WHAT THEY WANT TO DO WITH IT.YET THROUGH THIS PROCESS, CONGRATULATIONS AND GOOD FOR YOU GUYS TO MEET WITH EVERYBODY. IF YOU DID NOT MEET WITH EVERYBODY, GO AHEAD AND TRY TO GET THEM.

THAT'S IT. I THINK IT'S A GREAT PROJECT, AS LONG AS WE GET ANOTHER BITE OF THE APPLE, I AM ALL FOR

TRANSMITTING IT. >> I ATTENDED YOUR FIRST KICKOFF MEETING YEARS AGO. I THINK MR. LEE WAS THERE WITH HIS AIR FORCE AND I APPLAUD YOU ALL FOR WORKING CLOSELY BECAUSE THAT WAS SIGNIFICANT TO THEM AND YOU WORKED IT OUT.

ON THE CONVERSION TABLE, WE DEVELOPED THE FLEMING ISLAND AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HURT US THE MOST WITH THE CONVERSION TABLE. WE GOT CAUGHT AND THE ONLY SLUMP OR WHATEVER SLUMP IT WAS AN PROPERTY WAS GOING BACK TO THE BANK. THEY WOULD PUT THIS HANDY CONVERSION CHART AND WE LOST TENS OF THOUSANDS OF SQUARE FEET OF INDUSTRIAL AND OFFICE SPACE TURNED INTO HOMES.

IT REALLY HURT THE WHOLE IDEA OF FLEMING ISLAND DEVELOPMENT WE WORKED THE PLAN LOOK WHAT YOU GUYS ARE DOING.

WE WANT YOU TO LIVE HERE AND WE WANT YOU TO WORK HERE.

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IF YOU USE IT, IT WILL RUIN YOUR PROJECT.

TRUST ME. MY LAST, IS GROWTH IS COMING, I DON'T CARE WHAT YOU SAY. YOU CAN DENY IT ALL YOU WANT, IT IS HAPPENING. YOU CAN SAY PEOPLE ARE LEAVING THE STATE BECAUSE INSURANCE RATES ARE GOING UP, THEY WILL FIGURE OUT HOW TO KEEP IT UNDER CONTROL WE WILL HAPPEN.

I WOULD MUCH RATHER SOMETHING LIKE THIS AND AS YOU SAY 10, 20, 30 COOKIE-CUTTER LOTS CHOPPED UP SPREADING TRAFFIC ALL OVER THE COUNTY TRY TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET TO 17 OR TO THE EXPRESSWAY OR WHATEVER. I LIKE THIS PROJECT, I WISH IT LOVE, I DOUBT IF I WILL EVER SEE THE FIRST ROCK, BUT I WISH IT WOULD COME SOONER. I THINK IT'S A GOOD PROJECT.

BUT I DO WANT TO SEE IT AGAIN AFTER IT COMES BACK.

>> ALL RIGHT MY THINK WE ARE READY FOR EMOTION.

>> I MOVED TO APPROVE. >> SECOND.

>> ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

ANY OF THOSE, SAME TIME. THE TRANSMISSION IS APPROVED BY THE COMMISSION. AT THIS TIME COMPANY TO TAKE A STRETCH AND COMFORT BREAK. AND TECH IS GOING TO PRESENT FOR US

[3.  Public Hearing to consider ZON-0923-00023 (District 4, Comm. Condon) (L. Hanson)]

AGAIN, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CHANGE FROM -- SORRY, REQUESTING A CHANGE IN ZONING FROM BA ONE TWO BB-3

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CON-0923-00023. >> THANK YOU, MS. HANSEN, ARE THERE QUESTIONS OR CLARIFICATION FROM THIS COMMISSION? AT THIS TIME, WE WILL HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT IF HE WISHES TO BE HEARD. PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.

>> MY NAME IS ANTHONY CELANI, MY HOME ADDRESS IS 17970 91ST PLACEMENT GOOD EVENING, MADAM CHAIR, COMMISSIONERS. WE ARE HERE TO JUST REQUEST THE ZONE CHANGE FROM BA ONE TO BB THREE.

WE PERSONALLY MET WITHTHE NEIGHBORS OVER THERE AND SPOKE TO THEM ON THE BUSINESS PROSPECT, AND I DRESSED ANY CONCERNS THEY MAY HAVE HAD. UM, IN THE INITIAL PLANNING NOT TO IMPACT TRAFFIC ON 218, WE ARE PLANNING FOR THE ACCSS ON MIMOSA. APPROXIMATELY 110 FEET NORTH OF THE INTERSECTION, SO AS NOT TO IMPACT THE TRAFFIC ON 218. THE REAR AND EAST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY WILL BE FENCED AND THE SIZE OF THE BUILDING IS 80 BY 50 BY 16, WHICH IS 4000 SQUARE FEET.

>> ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT FROM THE

COMMISSIONERS? >> COULD YOU BE MORE SPECIFIC ABOUT WHAT YOU INTEND TO DO THERE? I AM JUST CURIOUS, WHY DID YOU HAVE TO CHANGE THE ZONING?

>> THE ORIGINAL ZONING TENANT INCORPORATE VERY MUCH, THIS BUSINESS IS GOING TO BE A TRUCK ACCESSORIES SALES AND

INSTALLATION. >> YOU SAID SOMETHING ABOUT

TRACTOR-TRAILERS? >> WAS INCLUDED, BUT IT IS NOT REALLY TOP OF MY BUSINESS PLAN.

>> THE OTHER TWO BOXES -- >> CAPS, SHIELDS, STEPS, SIDE

STEPS, BACHRACH SPRINT >> ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH THE LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS IN TERMS OF LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENTS AND THAT SORT OF STUFF?

>> I DID REVIEW ALL THAT.

>> OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT?

>> I THINK BILL JUST ASKED IT, IS THIS IN THE OVERLAY AREA? IT

IS NOT, OKAY. >> THE HALL COUNTY SHOULD BE

UNDER AN OVERLAY. >> WHERE DOES THE CLAY HALL

OVERLAY START? CURTIS SMITH? >> OH, THAT FAR OUT? THAT IS

JUST EAST . >> OKAY, IS THERE A TRAFFIC

LIGHT AT THIS CORNER? >> OH, YEAH, AND IT IS ABOUT TO BE FOUR LANES THROUGH THERE. SO, CLEARLY DEVELOPED ALREADY.

>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. AND AT THIS TIME, I AM GOING TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THIS MATTER, AND I DO NOT HAVE ANY CARDS FOR THIS MATTER, IS ANYONE WHO WISHES TO BE HEARD ON THIS MATTER? SEEING NO ONE. I'M GOING TO CLOSE. OH, EXCUSE ME, SIR, I KNOW YOU ARE FROM THE CITIZENS ADVISORY COMMITTEE.

>> YES, SCOTTY TAYLOR, I'M THE CHAIRMAN OF THE CITIZENS -- APPRECIATE THE EXPERTISE AND THE PROFESSIONALISM AND THE -- YOUR EXPERIENCE THAT YOU FOLKS HAVE UP THERE. THIS IS THE FIRST PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD MEETING I HAVE BEEN TO IN YEARS, AND SIT THROUGH THE WHOLE THING. SO, I REALLY HAVE A NEW APPRECIATION TO Y'ALL, THANK Y'ALL VERY MUCH FOR WHAT YOU DO FOR THE CITIZENS OF CLAY COUNTY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

BUT YES, THE GENTLEMAN AND HIS WIFE, THEY CAME BEFORE A BOARD, HE SAID SOMETHING ABOUT THE TRACTOR-TRAILERS, WHAT HE WAS TALKING ABOUT WAS WHEN THEY BRING IN THOSE TOPPERS AND -- THAT OUTLINER, ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF, WHEN THEY ARE DROPPING IT OFF, HE IS NOT GOING TO HAVE A BUNCH OF SEMIS COMING IN AND OUT, THAT IS WHAT HE IS TALKING ABOUT. WE URGE YOU TO ACCEPT OUR RECOMMENDATION TO Y'ALL. THANK

YOU. >> ALL RIGHT. LET'S SEE, I

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>> I WILL MOVE THE STAFF REPORT.

>> SECOND. >> ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. MOTION CARRIES.

[4.  Public Hearing to consider PUD-1023-00014. (District 1, Comm. Cella) (S. Olsen)]

>> GOOD LUCK. >> YES. ITEM NUMBER 4 IS A PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER PUD-1023-00014. THIS IS PRESENTED BY PLANNER SAMANTHA OLSON.

>> I AM HERE TO PRESENT APPLICATION PUD-1023-00014.

OKAY, THIS IS A REZONING APPLICATION TO CHANGE A PARCEL FROM AR AND RE TO PUD. THE APPLICANT IS EDITH MURRAY, HER AGENT IS HOMES, GOING TO BE HELPED WITH HORAN, THEY HAVE A PRESENTATION AFTER THIS. THE LOCATION IS BETWEEN NIGHTHAWKS AND COLLEGE DRIVE OFF OF 220. THE PLANNING DISTRICT IS DOCTORS INLET AND RICHWOOD, IS A SINGLE PARCEL, APPROXIMATELY 22 ACRES IN SIZE. AND AS I SAID EARLIER, IT IS CURRENTLY -- HAS TWO ZONING'S, AR AND RE, TO BE SWITCHED TO PUD. I JUST WANT TO ADDRESS A MAPPING ERROR. SO, THE NOTIFICATION LETTERS THAT WERE SENT OUT TO THE RESIDENCE , PLANNING AND ZONING, WE USED DATA FROM THE PROPERTY APPRAISER'S OFFICE, AND THERE WAS AN ERROR IN THEIR DATA, THEY ARE AWARE OF THE ERROR AND THEY ARE NOW FIXING IT. SO, ON YOUR LEFT IS A PARCEL OUTLINE THAT WAS SENT OUT WITH THE LETTERS. THE PARCEL THAT IS ACTUALLY BEING REZONED IS SEEN ON THE OUTLINE ON YOUR RIGHT. IT IS STILL 22 ACRES. THE LEGAL DESCRIPTION THAT WAS USED IN THE APPLICATION WAS STILL CORRECT, IT IS JUST A GIS ERROR. YES, SIR?

>> YEAH, GO AHEAD. >> THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. JUST UNDERSTAND, SO, MORE PEOPLE WERE NOTIFIED THAN WAS REQUIRED, BUT THE AREA THAT WE ARE DISGUSTING, WE ARE

COVERED. >> CORRECT.

>> PLEASE CONTINUE. >> OKAY, AND THIS IS SHOWING THE 350 FOOT BUFFER AND BEYOND OF RESIDENTS WHO ARE NOTIFIED.

I DO HAVE THE LIST OF NAMES AND ADDRESSES, IT JUST WOULDN'T FIT ON THE SIDE, BUT I DO HAVE THAT AVAILABLE IF YOU WOULD LIKE. THE PROPOSED REZONING WOULD BE COMPATIBLE WITH SURROUNDING RESIDENTIAL ZONING, AND FOR THAT REASON, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF APPLICATION PUD-1023-14.

>> ARE THE QUESTIONS FOR CLARIFICATION FROM COMMISSION

AT THIS POINT? >> I HAVE ONE. UM, THIS UD WILL -- LET ME FIND WHERE IT SAYS WORDING IN HERE. PUD RESTRICTION TO LIMIT 50 FEET IN WIDTH TO 20% OF THE SUBDIVISION. WHEN DID THAT GO INTO EFFECT? LAST YEAR? I AM SURE WE HAVE SEEN STUFF. EXIT WAS NOVEMBER OF LAST YEAR, YES.

>> WE HAVE SEEN STUFF WITH 40 FOOT LOTS SINCE THEN. OKAY.

THAT'S FINE, THANK YOU. >> ALL RIGHT. WE WILL HEAR

FROM THE APPLICANT NOW. >> HELLO. HEY, THANK YOU. MY ADDRESS IS 12740 GRAND BAY PARK BAY WEST, SUITE 2350, JACKSONVILLE, 32258 I AM HERE TO JUST BE BRIEF I WILL BE BRIEF, I PROMISE, I WILL GO CLICK. AFTER TONIGHT, IT HAS BEEN LONG. WE ARE HERE JUST TO DISCUSS THE MURRAY PROPERTY PUD ON COUNTY ROAD 220, I AM NOT GREAT AT MAKING PUD NAMES, SO I APOLOGIZE. LET'S SEE IF THIS WORKS. OKAY. OUR TEAM HERE IS HORAN, AND WE HAVE THE LG 2 HERE. JUST REAL QUICK, IF

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AND OUR FUTURE LAND USE IS YOU SEE 10. AS YOU CAN SEE, THIS WHOLE GROUND AREA WHERE OUR PROJECT IS , THAT'S WHERE THE COUNTY EXPECTED THE RESIDENTIAL GROWTH BETWEEN COLLEGE DRIVE AND NIGHTHAWKS. THAT IS WHERE THE COUNTY MADE THAT UC 10 LAND USE, THEY EXPECTED THE GROWTH FOR RESIDENTIAL IN THIS AREA THIS IS JUST A ZOOMED IN VERSION OF THE SITE. THIS IS AN OVERALL ZOOMED OUT VERSION OF THE ZONING MAP OR EXISTING ZONING. THERE IS PUD'S, THERE IS RESIDENTIAL, VERY CLOSE ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE CREEK. AND HERE IS A ZOOMED IN VERSION. WE ARE HALF AR AND HALF RE, RIGHT HERE ON 220, WE ARE ADJACENT TO AN EXISTING PUD, THAT IS IN GLEN LAUREL, WHICH IS LIKE 1996 APPROVED. AND THEN ALSO, NEAR ANGORA BAY, WHICH IS SOUTH, ANOTHER PUD. SO, WE HAVE A MIX OF USES ALONG THIS CORRIDOR, IT IS A MAJOR CORRIDOR THROUGH THE COUNTY. AND HERE IS JUST A ZOOMED OUT VERSION OF OUR PROPOSED ZONING, WE ARE PROPOSING A PUD. SO, JUST AS I THINK THE PREVIOUS APPLICANT TALKED ABOUT THE BENEFITS OF DOING A PUD, CONTRACT ZONING, WHERE YOU REALLY LOCK IN THE PARAMETERS OF THE WRITTEN DESCRIPTION IN YOUR PUD. AND SO, WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING IS REZONING FROM RA AND AR, LOCKING IN THE PARAMETERS, WE ARE REQUESTING UP TO 87 SINGLE-FAMILY UNITS. WE HAVE A MIX OF 40'S AND 50'S, WE ARE KEEPING WITH THE LDC REQUIREMENT OF NO MORE THAN 20% ARE SMALLER THAN 50 FOOT LOTS.

AND I JUST KIND OF WANT TO BRIEFLY GO OVER THE PROJECT BENEFITS. SOME OF THE UNIQUE FEATURES OF THIS PUD THAT YOU WOULDN'T GET WITH A STRAIGHT REZONING IS WE ARE PROVIDING A 10 FOOT PERIMETER BUFFER AROUND THE ENTIRE PROJECT. THAT IS NOT REQUIRED BECAUSE WE ARE SINGLE-FAMILY NEXT TO SINGLE-FAMILY. THOSE ARE TWO COMPATIBLE USES, BUT WE ARE PROVIDING A 10 FOOT REMITTER BUFFER, JUST TO MAKE SURE THERE ARE LOTS NEXT TO LOTS. IN ADDITION, WE DID HEAR THAT THERE ARE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT PARKING IN THE STREETS. AND SO, WE ARE OFFERING ON STREET PARKING IN THIS PROJECT, WHICH IS LOCKED IN THE IN THE PUD, AND IN ADDITION TO THE ON STREET PARKING, ALL THE HOUSES WILL HAVE TWO CAR GARAGES AND BROOM IN THE DRIVEWAY TO PARK TWO CARS FORWARD OF THE SIDEWALK. SO BASICALLY, FOUR CARS. IT WILL NEED OPEN SPACE , ABOUT 14% OF THE SPACE WILL BE OPEN SPACE. AND I THINK ONE OF THE REALLY UNIQUE FEATURES OF THIS SITE IS WE KIND OF HAVE THAT LONG ROAD BETWEEN 220 AND OUR FIRST PARCEL. IT IS ABOUT 300 FEET. SO, THE VISUAL IMPACT FROM COUNTY ROAD 220 WILL BE VERY MINIMAL. AND THAT IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE EXISTING SURROUNDING DEVELOPMENT. IF YOU LOOK AT THIS SLIDE, WE HAVE KIND OF SUPERIMPOSED OURS SITE PLAN ON AN AERIAL. IT IS COMPATIBLE WITH GLEN LAUREL, WHICH WAS APPROVED IN THE MID-'90S FOR 45S AND 55'S. THIS DOES HAVE A MIX OF SENIOR LIVING JUST TO OUR SOUTH, WE HAVE THE SALVATION ARMY THERE, IT REALLY DOES HELP WITH A VIBRANT COMMUNITY TO HAVE A MIX OF USES. THIS IS AN INSULT PARCEL, AS YOU CAN SEE. WRONG BUTTON, SORRY. AND IT DOES MEET THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, I MEAN, WE DO HAVE TO PROVE THAT THIS PROJECT DOES MEET THE CONFERENCE OF PLAN AND THE INTENT OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, AND BECAUSE IT IS AN INSULT PARCEL, AND THE CONFERENCE OF PLANET REALLY DOES ENCOURAGE INFILL DEVELOPMENT, IT ENCOURAGES DEVELOPMENT WHERE THERE IS ALREADY EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE, WHICH IS IN PLACE IN THIS LOCATION, AND I WILL QUICKLY TALK ABOUT THE URBAN SERVICES. SO, WE HAVE SCHOOLS, FIRE, AND HOSPITALS ALL WITHIN THE TWO TO THREE MILE RADIUS, SO THAT MEANS WE QUALIFY FOR THE POINTS TO GET THE UC 10, THE 10 UNITS PER

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SO, UC 10 LAND-USE AND AR REALLY AREN'T QUITE COMPATIBLE.

AND SO, ANOTHER ONE. WE DO AGREE WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION AND I AM HERE IF YOU GUYS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.

NEXT WE HAVE QUESTIONS . >> I WILL JUST START BY SAYING, YOU ARE VERY WISE TO BRING IN THE FACT THAT YOU CAN PARK TWO CARS BE ON THE SIDEWALK, BECAUSE THAT IS GOING TO BE A COMMISSIONER PUCKHABER'S STICKING POINT, YOU HAVE ALREADY ADDRESSED IT, SO WELL DONE. I JUST HAVE ONE QUICK QUESTION, THE ON STREET PARKING, CAN YOU JUST ELABORATE

ON THAT, PLEASE? >> YES, SIR.

>> AND IT WILL BE QUICKER, I WAS GOING TO ASK THAT AS WELL, SO HOW ARE YOU DOING THAT WITH THE STREET WITH ? ARE YOU MAKING THE STREET WIDER TO ACCOMMODATE THAT OR WHAT?

>> LET'S SEE, HERE WE GO. MAYBE WE CAN SEE IT. AS YOU CAN SEE, WE HAVE THE LARGER -- YEAH. ALL RIGHT.

>> IT IS POINTING AT YOU. XO, I AM SORRY.

GO, YOU SEE THERE, ON STREET, ON STREET. CLAY COUNTY REQUIRES A 60 FOOT RIGHT-OF-WAY, WE CAN PUT

PARKING IN THAT RIGHT-OF-WAY. >> SO, HOW WIDE IS THE PAVEMENT GOING TO BE? THAT IS WHAT I AM KIND OF GETTING AT. JUST BECAUSE YOU CAN PARK ON THE STREET, IS THERE STILL GOING TO BE ADEQUATE ROOM FOR EMERGENCY VEHICLES IF THERE ARE CARS ON BOTH SIDES, IS THERE ROOM TO GET A FIRE TRUCK THROUGH?

>> YES, SIR, I WILL BE HONEST, YOUR FIRE REVIEWER IS VERY, VERY PARTICULAR, AND SHE WILL MAKE SURE WE HAVE THE CLEAR

SPACE, FOR SURE. >> OTHER QUESTIONS?

>> I DO. YOU HAVE ILLUSTRATED THEIR RETENTION POND, WHICH IS VERY, VERY LARGE. IS THAT COLLECTING ALL OF THE STORM

WATER FROM THAT DEVELOPMENT? >> YES, SIR. ACTUALLY, IF YOU TALK TO MY CIVIL ENGINEERS, THEY ARE LIKE, THAT IS A SMALL POND, THEY ALWAYS WANT THE BIGGER PONDS, TOO.

>> I KNOW QUITE A WHILE AGO, WE HEARD SOMETHING ABOUT FLOODING WHEN WE GOT HEAVY RAINS IN LAUREL GLEN OR GLEN LAUREL? SORRY. AND MY CONCERN IS ANY OF THE RUNOFF FROM ANY CONSTRUCTION THERE GOES INTO THAT AREA, I WOULDN'T WANT TO

SEE THAT. >> GREAT QUESTION, AGAIN, I AM NOT A CIVIL ENGINEER, BUT I DO WORK WITH THEM, SO I HAVE THROUGH OSMOSIS LEARNED ALL OF THIS. SO, ESSENTIALLY, IN THE PRECONDITION , WE HAVE TO TAKE EVERYTHING THAT IS COMING ON OUR PROPERTY TO TREAT IT, AND IN THE POSTCONDITION, WE CANNOT HAVE MORE THAN WE HAVE COMING IN. SO, WE ARE NOT ALLOWED TO DISPLACE MORE WATER THAN WE ALREADY TAKEN. SO, WE CANNOT HAVE A NEGATIVE IMPACT ON THE SURROUNDING AREA.

>> SO, THE GRADING WILL ACCOMMODATE? EXACTLY, YES, SIR.

THAT IS PERMITTED THROUGH WATER DISTRICT HEAVILY, THEY

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CLOSELY DURING THAT PROCESS. >> THANK YOU.

>> YES, SIR. >> OTHER QUESTIONS?

>> ONE REAL QUICK FOR ME. YOUR PLAN MAP SHOWS IN THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF THERE, HOW DID YOU MITIGATE THAT?

>> SO, THOSE ARE ISOLATED, VERY LOW QUALITY. WE ACTUALLY THINK THAT THEY ARE AN OLD COW POND THAT TURNED INTO A WETLAND.

SO, WE ARE NOT ANTICIPATING ANY ISSUES WITH MITIGATING THAT. WE WILL END UP PAYING TO A MITIGATION BANK.

>> OKAY. >> OTHER QUESTIONS?

>> I DO, I JUST WANT TO ELABORATE ON THE PARKING QUESTION, BECAUSE MR. BOURRE BEAT ME TO IT. BUT YOU STATED THERE WOULD BE ROOM TO PARK ON THE DRIVEWAY? BUT THE SETBACKS IN HERE ARE 20 FEET ON THE FRONT. SO, ARE YOU SAYING THERE IS 20 FEET FROM THE GARAGE TO THE SIDEWALK?

>> YES, SIR, THAT IS 20 FEET.

>> I AM GOING TO GIVE YOU CREDIT FOR BRINGING IT UP AND TRYING TO DEAL WITH IT. BUT 20 FEET IS NOT ENOUGH. I HAVE GONE OVER THIS MANY, MANY TIMES, AND I KEEP HOPING THAT WE ARE GOING TO CHANGE THIS SOMEWHERE IN THE COUNTY. I OWN A PICKUP TRUCK. I THINK BILL DOES, MIKE DOES. YOU GO OUT AND PUT A TAPE MEASURE ON IT, IT IS 20 FEET FROM BUMPER TO BUMPER. NOBODY PULLS ALL THE WAY UP TO THEIR GARAGE DOOR WENDY PARK. SO, THAT EXTRA TWO FEET IS STILL GOING TO HAND

OVER THE SIDEWALK. >> GOT IT.

>> AND I WOULD RATHER SEE YOU PUT ANOTHER -- THAT 10 FOOT THAT YOU ARE PUTTING IN THE BACK, TAKE SOME OF THAT AND PUT IT IN THE FRONT AND MAKE THESE DRIVEWAYS LONGER. YOU WILL END UP WITH A WHOLE LOT LESS KIDS RUNNING INTO CARS BECAUSE THEY

ARE ON THE SIDEWALK. >> ALL RIGHT, WE WILL LOOK AT

THAT. >> BUT VERY MUCH TO YOU GUYS FOR PUTTING ON STREET PARKING IN, BECAUSE THIS HAS ALWAYS BEEN ONE OF MY CONCERNS. I DO NOT LIKE THESE NARROW LOTS, AND I AM GOING TO SUPPORT THIS ONE BECAUSE YOU MADE KIND OF AN EFFORT WITH THE PARKING. IT'S ALWAYS AN ISSUE ON THESE NARROW LOTS, WHERE YOU PUT THE CARS. AND YOU HAVE GOT TO PUT TWO CARS, WE GIVE YOU CREDIT BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT TWO SPACES IN THE GARAGE FOR THOSE CARS. REALITY IS THAT NOBODY PARKS IN THE GARAGE. MAYBE A FEW DO, BUT MOST PEOPLE DON'T, SO THEY END UP ON THE DRIVEWAY. AND AT MOST HOMES THESE DAYS, TWO CARS ARE NOT A NORMAL THING, THERE ARE AT LEAST THREE. YOU'VE GOT TEENAGE KIDS, THERE ARE THREE OR FOUR CARS SITTING OUT. SO, THE FACT THAT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE ON STREET PARKING WILL HOPEFULLY ACCOMMODATE FOR THAT, IT'S GREAT.

>> ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? ALL RIGHT, THANK

YOU VERY MUCH. >> REAL QUICK.

>> OH, SORRY. >> THANKS FOR THE PRESENTATION, REAL QUICK QUESTION. I KNOW THIS IS WITHIN WALKING DISTANCE

TO DOCTORS INLET. >> THERE IS A SIDEWALK ALL THE

WAY -- YES, SIR. >> ALL RIGHT. I THINK WE ARE READY TO GO TO PUBLIC HEARING AND I AM GOING TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. THE FIRST CARD I HAVE IS FOR KATE MCBRIDE. IS MR. MCBRIDE PRESENT? FOLLOWING THIS MCBRIDE, WE HAVE LEE RONALD BRAY AND MICHAEL FINNEY.

>> MY NAME IS KATE MCBRIDE, I LIVE AT 1470 HUTCHINSON ROAD.

IN MIDDLEBURG. I -- MY HOUSE IS ON THE CORNER OF HUTCHINSON AND 220. AND I HAVE LIVED THERE AT LEAST 30 YEARS OR SO.

NOW, MY ROAD, HUTCHINSON, IS ALL AGRICULTURAL. IT IS -- IT HAS BEEN THAT WAY SINCE I MOVED THERE AND IT IS IN WALKING DISTANCE FROM THIS DEVELOPMENT THAT THEY WANT TO PUT IN. AND I WALKED IT PLENTY OF TIMES AND SEEN WHAT GOES ON AND WHAT DOESN'T . I DIDN'T KNOW HOW MANY DEVELOPMENTS , HOW MANY HOUSES THEY WERE GOING TO PUT ON OR WHAT KIND, BECAUSE I DIDN'T GET ANY INFORMATION. I GUESS IT'S BECAUSE I LIVE ON 220, THEY DON'T THINK WE ARE CLOSE ENOUGH TO CARE. BUT IT IS REALLY CLOSE TO MY HOME. AND OF COURSE I AM CONCERNED. YOU KNOW, TOO MANY HOUSES IN ONE LITTLE SPOT. YOU WERE TALKING

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HUTCHINSON ROAD IS A DIRT ROAD. AND THEY DO GREAT, BUT IT GETS SO WET AND SO BUMPY EVERY TIME IT RAINS, THERE IS A PUDDLE.

EVERY TIME IT RAINS. AT 220 AND HUTCHINSON. AND THE WATER FLOW FROM THAT AREA, COMES THIS WAY LIKE A RIVER. WHEN THEY WERE WIDENING TO 20, YOU WOULD NOT BELIEVE THE WATER THAT COMES.

AND I KNOW JEAN GREY, WHICH OWNS PART OF THAT LAND, HE PUT A COVER OUT THERE, IT COULDN'T EVEN HANDLE IT. THERE IS NO DRAINAGE FROM THAT SIDE OF THE ROAD OUT TO THE MAIN ROAD. IT COMES ACROSS HUTCHINSON AND A CAN'T HANDLE IT. THE WHOLE ROAD FLOWS, IT GOES DOWN TO 220, BUT IT IS NOT ENOUGH TO HANDLE THE AMOUNT OF RAIN SOMETIMES WE GET. AND I WOULD THINK TWICE ABOUT -- LET THE COMMISSIONER LOOK AND SEE WHAT I HAVE TO PUT UP WITH. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU, THE NEXT SPEAKER IS RONALD GRAY.

>> RONALD BRAY, 1439, HUTCHINSON ROAD, MIDDLEBURG. I AM JUST HERE TO LET THE DEVELOPER KNOW THAT -- INDESCERNIBLE ] 40 FEET NORTH OF THE CURRENT COUNTY ROAD 220. AND I WANTED TO LET THEM KNOW THAT I OWN A STRIP OF PROPERTY THAT IS BETWEEN THE NEW COUNTY ROAD 220 AND THE OLD ROAD. SO, I JUST NEED TO LET THEM KNOW THAT THERE IS NOT ACCESS TO THE PROPERTY WITHOUT CROSSING MY PROPERTY.

>> I HAVE GOT A SURVEY HERE SHOWING THAT 45TH STREET -- YOU

CAN SEE -- >> YEAH, WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT IF YOU COULD COLLECT THAT FROM MR. BRAY AND LET US TAKE

A LOOK AT IT. >> I OWN PROPERTY ON BOTH SIDES

OF THE ROAD GOING INTO THIS. >> I HAVEN'T LOOKED AT THE SURVEY, BUT I WOULD JUST LIKE TO ME, IS THAT WHERE IT IS OFF

OF 220? >> YEAH, I HAVE GOT A 40 FOOT STRIP ACROSS THE FRONT BEFORE IT GETS TO THEIR PROPERTY.

>> ON 220? >> ON 220. I OWN PROPERTY ON

BOTH SIDES OF THE ROAD. >>

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>> IT SHOULD BE IN THIS PACKAGE.

>> WE HAVE THE SURVEY. >>

>> OKAY, SO PARENT ASSOCIATES HAS A SURVEY ON FILE THAT IS PART OF THE APPLICATION, AND IT SHOWS ON THE SURVEY THAT THEIR PROPERTY GOES ALL THE WAY TO 220. SO, WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST, IT'S THE COMMISSION'S DECISION TO STAY THIS MOTION, THAT YOU TALK WITH THE RAT AND LET'S MAKE SURE EVERYBODY IS ON THE SAME PAGE BEFORE THIS MOVES TOO FAR DOWN, BECAUSE IF WE APPROVE IT AND YOU TRULY HAVE THOSE LAND RIGHTS, THERE IS A LITIGIOUS SITUATION THAT IS GOING TO COURT THAT WE WANT

TO HELP AVOID. >> NEED A MOTION ON THAT TO CONTINUE? HANG ON JUST A

SECOND. >> YOU NEED TO HEAR WEBER --

>> OKAY, SORRY. AT THIS POINT, WE DO NEED TO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING, BECAUSE IT WAS NOTICED. NO, OH, EXCUSE ME.

WE NEED TO CONTINUE FOR ANYBODY THAT WANTS TO SPEAK, IS THERE SOMEONE ELSE WHO WANTED TO SPEAK? OKAY, PLEASE COME FORWARD AND SPEAK AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.

>> FIRST, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY, I TRULY DO APPRECIATE YOU PEOPLE, BECAUSE IT IS A LEARNING CURVE. I HAVE BEEN THROUGH THIS BEFORE, BUT IT IS AMAZING WHAT YOU DO ON YOUR SPARE TIME BASICALLY. MY NAME IS MIKE FINNEY, I LIVE OFF OF HUTCHINSON AND OUR ADDRESS IS 3114 FINNEY COVE, BASICALLY MY DRIVEWAY. WE MOVED THERE FROM ORANGE PARK IN 2000. AT THAT TIME, IT WAS A TWO LANE, THERE WAS ONE NEIGHBORHOOD.

INDESCERNIBLE ] IT WASN'T A SENIOR CENTER, THERE WASN'T A 55 AND OVER, THERE WAS NONE OF THAT, IT WAS A TWO LANE STREET.

SINCE THEN, IT IS A FOUR LANE AND IT IS ON THE INTEREST RATE NOW, COMING FROM SINGLE LANE ALL THE WAY DOWN TO 09 AND ALL THE WORK THEY ARE DOING ON 209 AND RIGHT ACROSS THE HIGH SCHOOL. AND RIGHT NOW, THE TRAFFIC IS HORRENDOUS. WE MOVED BECAUSE WE WANTED THAT AR LOOK. AND WITH EVERYTHING THAT HAS GONE ON THERE, THERE HAVE GOT TO BE AT LEAST FOUR NEIGHBORHOODS WITHIN A MILE. AND THEY ARE ALL COOKIE-CUTTER AND I HAVE HEARD THE COMMISSIONERS SAY THAT YOU ARE TRYING TO GET AWAY FROM SOME OF THAT, BUT THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT IS GOING ON ON THAT STREET, THEY ARE ALL COOKIE-CUTTER NEIGHBORHOODS. AND IF YOU GO DOWN THERE RIGHT NOW, WHEN YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT PARKING, CURRENT NEIGHBORHOODS RIGHT NOW, THERE IS NO PARKING. IF YOU PUT CARDS ON THE SIDE OF THE STREET, YOU BARELY GET A BICYCLE THROUGH THERE. I AM HERE TO TELL YOU THAT THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT WANT AR.

AND I KNOW THERE IS GROWTH THAT IS GOING TO OCCUR. THAT IS INEVITABLE. BUT THE PROBLEM IS THAT IT DOESN'T HAVE TO OCCUR WITHIN THAT MILE. AND IF YOU ARE GOING TO PUT ANOTHER NEIGHBORHOOD IN THERE, EVEN THOUGH THERE ARE CURRENT NEIGHBORHOODS , THE TRAFFIC THAT GOES THROUGH THERE RIGHT NOW IS UNIMAGINABLE. IF YOU GO DOWN TO TRY TO TURN LEFT ONTO 09, THAT TRAFFIC FROM THAT LIGHT ON 209 COMES ALMOST DOWN TONIGHT ROAD. PEOPLE GETTING OFF WORK RIGHT NOW HAVE AN ISSUE. AND MY WIFE AND I, TO BE QUITE FRANK, HAVE TALKED ABOUT POSSIBLY MOVING IN THE NEXT YEARS IF THE NEIGHBORHOODS KEEP COMING IN THE WAY THEY ARE. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE DEAR AND TURKEYS AND COWS, WHICH IS WHAT WE SAW 10 OR 15 YEARS AGO, I'M NOT SEEING ANY OF THAT NOW. THANK YOU.

>> I HAD A CARD FOR MR. MICHAEL FINNEY, THAT WAS YOU, OKAY. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WANTED TO SPEAK TO THIS MATTER?

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YES, MAN. >> WHERE IS MY CANE, RIGHT? MY NAME IS MARIE MCFARLANE AND I LIVE AT 1748 GLENN LAUREL DRIVE. AND WE HAVE BEEN THERE , IT WILL BE FOUR YEARS AUGUST 8TH. WHEN WE MOVED THERE, ONE OF THE SELLING POINTS WAS THAT IT HAD A NATURE PRESERVE BEHIND OUR HOUSE. UNLIKE MOST OF YOU GUYS, OUR ACREAGE IS A QUARTER OF AN ACRE. OKAY? A QUARTER OF AN ACRE. THERE IS SUPPOSED TO BE A 10 FOOT BORDER, WHATEVER.

BEHIND OUR HOUSE. WHEN THEY DID THEIR SURVEY, THEY PUT ONE OF THEIR MARKERS ON MY FENCE. IT IS A WETLAND ON MY KNEE. SO, I AM STRONGLY AGAINST US. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THEM MAKE IT NOT A 10 FOOT, BUT MAYBE A 30 FOOT BUMP OR WHATEVER YOU CALL IT. THIS THING OVER HERE WAS TALKING ABOUT PICTURES. I WOULD LIKE FOR Y'ALL TO CDS. BECAUSE WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT PICTURES AND YOU SEE IT, THAT REALLY BRINGS IT DOWN TO WHAT IT IS.

YOU KNOW, I LOVE WHERE I LIVE, BEING ABLE TO SEE THE TREES, AND I WOULD LOVE FOR THEM TO BE ON THE BUMP OR WHATEVER THEY ARE CALLED, LEAVE SOME OF THE TREES, IT IS SO BEAUTIFUL WHAT LITTLE BIT OF GOD'S GIFTS, LAND, WE HAVE GOT. PLEASE, PLEASE DON'T LET THEM DESTROY IT. I USED TO LIVE IN NASHVILLE, TENNESSEE, AND I HAD TO WORRY EVERY TIME IT RAINED, AND I DON'T WANT THAT AGAIN. SO, PLEASE, THINK ABOUT IF IT WAS YOUR HOUSE, HOW YOU WOULD FEEL, HOW MUCH BUNKER WOULD YOU WANT, AND MAKE SURE THEY DON'T PUT THEIR WATER ON

THIS. THANK YOU. >> IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WANTED TO BE HEARD ON THIS MATTER? ALL RIGHT, AT THIS TIME, I AM GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND GIVE THE APPLICANT A CHANCE TO RESPOND TO SOME OF THESE COMMENTS.

>> THAT WAS IN THE MOVIE WHERE IT WAS LIKE THE BOMB WAS DROPPED, THAT WAS AN EXAMPLE. WE HAVE FULL TITLE COMMITMENTS CERTIFIED FOR OUR SURVEY. SO, I AM NOT SURE WHAT THIS SURVEY IS . IT IS FROM 1983. SO, I DO UNDERSTAND THAT THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF SHIFTING OF OWNERSHIP IN THIS AREA. WE HAVE A TITLE COMMITMENT THAT SHOWS THIS IS NOT ON THERE.

SO, I JUST WANT TO PUT THAT OUT THERE. AND JUST TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE OTHER CONCERNS, WE WILL MEET THE PRE-POST FOR CIVIL, THAT IS AFTER ENTITLEMENTS. WE ADDRESS THAT AFTER WE GET THROUGH THE ENTITLEMENTS, THE ENGINEERS, THEY LOOK AT THIS SITE AND THEY MAKE SURE WE MEET ALL THE PERMITTING REQUIREMENTS FOR THE COUNTY AND FOR ST. JOHN'S WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT. AND I DO WANT TO BRING UP THAT WE ARE SINGLE-FAMILY NEXT TO SINGLE-FAMILY IN A UC 10 LAND-USE. SO, WE ARE NOT ASKING FOR 10 UNITS, WE ARE ASKING FOR FOUR, SINGLE-FAMILY NEXT TO SINGLE-FAMILY. WE ARE OFFERING THE 10 FOOT BUFFER. WE CAN LOOK TO SEE IF WE HAD SOME WERE SHIFTING, WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO SHIFT TO KIND OF SCREWED SOME AWAY FROM THEM TO GET A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A BUFFER. WE UNDERSTAND THAT -- I HEAR THIS A LOT AND I WILL BE HONEST, A LOT OF PEOPLE SAY, I HAD CONSERVATION BEHIND MY HOUSE.

IT IS NOT CONSERVATION, IT IS SOMEBODY ELSE'S LAND, IT IS NOT CONSERVATION. JUST BECAUSE YOU SEE TREES DOESN'T MEAN IT IS A WETLAND. WE HAVE OUR WETLAND MAP, WE ONLY HAVE ONE SMALL POCKET WHERE IT WAS PROBABLY A COW POND. SO, I WILL BE OPEN TO ANY QUESTIONS Y'ALL HAVE, BUT WE HAVE A FULL TITLE COMMITMENT THAT IS CLEAR CERTIFIED.

>> ARE THERE ANY OTHER FURTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION FOR THE APPLICANT? THAT'S JUST A WORD OF ADVICE. THAT IS YOU SAY YOU HAVE A TITLE OF COMMITMENT, BUT I WOULD SUGGEST YOU HAVE SOMEBODY DO A TITLE SEARCH AND RESOLVE THAT.

BECAUSE IF WHAT IT IS CLAIMING IS TRUE, YOU AREN'T GOING

ANYWHERE. >> I AGREE COMPLETELY, SIR.

>> I DO HAVE A QUESTION, THOUGH, IF SOMEBODY CAN ANSWER, IS HUTCHINSON A PRIVATE ROAD?

>> IT IS A COUNTY ROAD BY PRESCRIPTION. THAT IS

CONSIDERED COUNTY. >> OKAY.

>> ALL RIGHT, WHAT IS THE POSTURE OF THE COMMISSION AT THIS POINT? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YES, I DID. THE

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APPLICANT CAME BACK UP. >> I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION THAT WE TAKE A LOOK AT THIS A LITTLE FURTHER AND MAYBE PUSH IT OFF THE NEXT MEETING. I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL OF THIS IS STRAIGHTENED OUT, BECAUSE THAT WILL BE A PROBLEM IF INDEED SOMEONE MISSED IT EVEN IN THE TITLE SEARCH, SO ON AND SO FORTH. I THINK WE NEED TO GET THAT CLEARED UP BEFORE WE MAKE ANY KIND OF DECISION.

INDESCERNIBLE ] >> IS THAT EMOTION?

>> MOTION FOR CONTINUANCE. >> I WILL SECOND IT, SO WE CAN

TALK ABOUT IT. >> ALL RIGHT, GO AHEAD. DOES OUR COUNTY ATTORNEY HAVE ANY ADVICE ON THIS?

>> THE ONLY THING THAT I CAN ADD TO IT, IS BECAUSE WE HAD GONE TO THE PROPERTY APPRAISER'S OFFICE IN CONNECTION WITH THAT ISSUE OF THE SURVEY NOT MATCHING WHAT THE PROPERTY APPRAISER HAS -- THESE ARE ACTUALLY DRAINAGE EASEMENTS, I BELIEVE. WHEN HE LOOKED AT THE SURVEY THAT WE HAVE THAT WAS SUBMITTED WITH THE APPLICATION IN THAT PROPERTY DESCRIPTION, HE VERIFIED THAT WHAT THE PROPERTY APPRAISER'S OFFICE HAS FOR THAT PROPERTY DESCRIPTION MATCHES THAT SURVEY, AND HE NEVER MENTIONED THAT THERE WAS ANY OTHER ENCUMBRANCE, OR IT DID NOT ATTACH TO 220. BUT I MEAN, WE DIDN'T KNOW THAT THIS ISSUE WAS RAISED, BUT THE PROPERTY APPRAISER'S OFFICE DOESN'T HAVE THAT THERE IS ANY KIND OF

A CONFLICT. >> SO, COURTNEY, IF WE TAKE A VOTE ON THIS TONIGHT, ARE WE GETTING INTO AN AREA THAT WE DON'T WANT TO BE IN? BECAUSE THIS IS GOING TO LAND IN YOUR

LAP, PROBABLY. >> NO, BECAUSE I THINK THIS WILL BE SOLVED BEFORE IT GOES TO THE BOARD ON TUESDAY. YEAH, I MEAN, I THINK YOU COULD DO A MOTION TO APPROVE IT, JUST CONTINGENT ON THE RESOLUTION OF THAT ISSUE. WE WILL BE ABLE TO RESOLVE IT TOMORROW, BECAUSE WE WERE JUST WITH THEM , WE GAVE IT TO THE PROPERTY APPRAISER ON THURSDAY OR FRIDAY. AND THEY RESEARCHED IT OVER THE WEEKEND. SO, I MEAN,

IT IS VERY FRESH ON THEIR DESK. >> SO, COMMISSIONER ANZALONE, WOULD YOU LIKE TO AMEND YOUR MOTION? OR JUST --

>>

FOR CONTINUANCE. >> I AM THINKING ABOUT THAT RIGHT NOW. MAKING A CONTINGENT BEFORE THE BCC MEETING IS WHAT

YOU'RE SAYING? >> I THINK JUST YOUR RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL WOULD BE CONTINGENT ON THEIR NOT BEING A CONFLICT WITH THE TITLE.

>> AND WE HAVE ENOUGH TIME BETWEEN NOW AND THEN TO MAKE

THAT HAPPEN? >> WE WILL SOLVE IT TOMORROW.

>> I WILL WITHDRAW MY MOTION.

>> THAT TAKES CARE OF THAT, SO WE NEED A NEW MOTION.

>> I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE STAFF RECOMMENDATION.

INTO THIS TITLE ISSUE AND MAKE SURE WE DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM OR SOMEBODY DOESN'T HAVE A PROBLEM

>> I SECOND RALPH MOTION. >> IS THERE FURTHER COMMENT OR

DISCUSSION ON THIS? >> I JUST WANT TO ADDRESS TO PEOPLE THAT ARE HAVING A FLOODING PROBLEM ON BELLAMY

ROAD. >> WHAT DO WE GOT TO DO TO GET THE COUNTY OUT THERE AND MAINTAIN IT? IF THAT IS COUNTY OWNED ROAD. YOU ARE NOT GOING TO GET IT, THERE IS NO MONEY TO PAVE ROADS. BUT CAN WE NOT REFER THIS TO WHOEVER THE ROAD DEPARTMENT IS AND HAVE THEM GO LOOK AT THIS PROBLEM? BECAUSE NOBODY SHOULD HAVE TO PUT UP WITH THAT IF IT IS A COUNTY --

THAT WE CAN'T WORK ON THEM? >>

>> I MEAN, WE CAN'T JUST DON'T SOME LIME ROCK ON THAT FOR

THEM AND FILL IN THAT HOLE? >> ASSISTANT COUNTY MANAGER STUART IS GOING TO HELP US WITH THAT, SO THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, ARE WE READY FOR A VOTE? ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION?

>> AYE. >> ANY OPPOSED? MOTION

[5.  Public Hearing to consider COMP0923-00013. (District 4, Comm. Condon) (E. Lehman)]

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>> PLEASE, WE WILL ASK MS. CARSON TO PRESENT ITEM 5.

THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR, THIS IS COMP PLAN 0923-00013. THIS WILL BE. NEXT TUESDAY AT THEIR MEETING. HOLD ON. I THINK THE COMPUTER IS TIRED. THE APPLICANT FOR THIS ITEM IS JACKIE CARTER, THE REQUEST IS A PLAN TO CHANGE THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP FOR 1.07 ACRES FROM RURAL TO RESIDENTIAL.

INDESCERNIBLE ] AND AS I SAID, NEXT TUESDAY, THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS WILL HEAR THIS. THE SUBJECT PARCEL IS LOCATED ALONG THE WEST SIDE OF STATE ROUTE 21 , JUST SOUTH OF THE INTERSECTION OF LONG BAY ROAD. THE MAP ON THE RIGHT SHOWS THE PARCELS THAT RECEIVED NOTIFICATION OF THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP AMENDMENTS. AND THE HATCHED AREA IS THE SUBJECT

PARCEL. >> THE APPLICANT REQUESTED COMMERCIAL, BUT THE SUBJECT PARCEL IS LOCATED WITHIN THE BRANAN AREA AND COMMERCIAL LAND USE IS NOT AN OPTION.

PARCELS BOTH NORTH AND SOUTH OF THE SUBJECT PARCEL WERE CHANGED TO COMMERCIAL BACK IN 2010. AND THAT WAS IN RECOGNITION OF EXISTING COMMERCIAL THAT WAS THERE PRIOR TO THAT BRANAN MASTER PLAN. HOWEVER, THIS PARCEL WAS CLEARLY LEFT OUT OF THAT CORRECTION. SO, IT WAS LEFT IN ITS CURRENT RESIDENTIAL STATE. THE TWO MARKS SHOWN ARE ACTUALLY FROM THAT 2010 STAFF REPORT WHERE THE MAP AMENDMENT WAS DONE FOR THOSE TWO PARCELS TO GO TO PARTIAL. AND ONE THING TO NOTE IS THAT THE EXISTING LAND USE IS RURAL RESIDENTIAL, NOT AGRICULTURAL, WHICH IS SHOWN IN THESE MAPS. IN THE MASTER PLAN AREA, BECAUSE COMMERCIAL IS NOT AN OPTION, YOU WOULD HAVE TO GO TO EIGHT BRANAN FIELD COMMUNITY CENTER. LET ME BACK UP, WHICH IS WHAT YOU CAN SEE IN THE PINK AREA ABOVE, SO IT IS NOT FAR AWAY AND IT IS REALLY PART OF A WHOLE COMMERCIAL LIKE CORRIDOR, BUT THAT THE FCC IS THE USE THAT WOULD BE PERMITTED UNDER THE BRANAN FIELD MASTER PLAN. THIS CHANGE IS CONSISTENT WITH MASTER PLAN 1.48, BECAUSE THE SUBJECT PARCEL IS LOCATED WITHIN EXISTING DESIGNATION OF COMMERCIAL. IN ADDITION TO PARCELS JUST SOUTH, WOULD BE BF CC COMMUNITY CENTER, AND IT IS A LOGICAL EXTENSION OF BRANAN FIELD COMMERCIAL LAND USE. WITH THAT, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL. DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? ASK ANY QUESTIONS FOR MS. CARSON? THEN WE WILL HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT. NEXT MY NAME IS JACKIE CARTER, 6082 COUNTY ROAD -- A PIECE OF PROPERTY THERE, I WILL RATE IT COMMERCIAL. WHEN THEY CHANGED ALL THIS TO THE BRANAN FIELD MASTER PLAN, MY PEACE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE CHANGED. AND I HAVE TALKED TO PEOPLE IN THE COUNTY AND THEY AGREED THAT MY PEACE WAS OVERLOOKED AND IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE PART OF THAT, AND EVERYTHING AROUND ME IS COMMERCIAL. I PUT THE LAND UP FOR SALE THREE MONTHS AGO AND I FOUND OUT THAT IT WAS NOT COMMERCIAL. SO, THE COUNTY STARTED DIGGING, TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHY. MY PEACE WAS

[03:45:02]

>> THANK YOU, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT?

>> NOT OF THE APPLICANT NECESSARILY, BUT I WAS LOOKING AT THE MAPS, AND YOU CAN SEE, IT LOOKS LIKE IN 2010, THEY TRIED TO CORRECT IT? OR IS THAT WHEN IT WAS OVERLOOKED, IN

2010? >> I AM NOT SURE.

>> THEY HAD STAFF MEETINGS TRYING TO PULL UP THE RECORDS ON IT. I THINK MAYBE THEY OVERLOOKED IT BECAUSE THE ROAD TURNED AND WENT RIGHT DOWN THE EDGE OF MY PROPERTY, AND ALL AND THAT ONE ACRE STRIP THAT IS DOWN. IF YOU LOOK AT IT ON THE MAP WHERE IT LEADS THE ACRE USED TO BE , BEFORE THEY DUMPED THE RETENTION POND BETWEEN ME AND THE ROAD, LOOKS LIKE THE ROAD. MAYBE THEY OVERLOOKED IT. BUT IT WAS

A MISTAKE. >> ALL RIGHT. ARE WE VOTING? OKAY. WE ARE GOING TO OPEN IT FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. I DO NOT HAVE ANY CARDS ON THIS PARTICULAR AGENDA ITEM. IS THERE ANYONE WHO WANTED TO SPEAK ON IT? ALL RIGHT, I AM GOING TO CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING AND BRING IT BACK TO THE

COMMISSION FOR DISCUSSION. >> I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A

MOTION TO APPROVE. >> I WOULD SECOND THAT.

>> ANY DISCUSSION? THAT'S JUST QUICK QUESTION, I KNOW THIS WAS A MISTAKE. THAT, DO YOU KNOW OR WHY DIDN'T WE JUST BRING THIS FORWARD AS A COUNTY INITIATED CORRECTION IF WE THOUGHT WE WERE THE ONES THAT MISSED IT? RATHER THAN ASKING

SOMEONE TO DO IT? >> I'M NOT REALLY SURE.

>> REALIZE IT WAS --

>> BECAUSE I KNOW IN THE PAST WHEN WE HAVE COME ACROSS WEIRD THINGS LIKE THIS, WE HAVE JUST DONE STAFF INITIATED CORRECTIONS. WE HAVE PARCELS OUT BY THE FOREST. THERE WAS A WHOLE STRIP THAT WASN'T SUPPOSED TO BE THERE. ANYWAYS

-- >> I THINK WE ARE READY, ANY QUESTION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR?

>> AYE. >> MOTION CARRIES. ALL RIGHT,

THE NEXT ITEM -- >> 2004 HOURS.

[6.  Public Hearing to consider ZON-1023-00025. (District 5, Comm. Burke) (B. Carson)]

>> THE NEXT ITEM ON 00025 , AND INDESCERNIBLE ] AM I ON THE WRONG ONE? NUMBER 6. I AM SORRY, MY MISTAKE. OUR DEPUTY

-- WHATEVER. >> IT IS ALL GLARING AT THIS

POINT, IT IS OKAY. >> BEING HEARD BY THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS NEXT TUESDAY AT THEIR MEETING.

>> THIS IS A COUNTY INITIATED APPLICATION. AGRICULTURE RESIDENTIAL AR. THIS IS COMMISSIONER DISTRICT 5,

COMMISSIONER BURKE. >> THESE FOUR PARCELS ARE PART OF AN OVERALL EIGHT PARCEL DEVELOPMENT THAT YOU HEARD PART ONE OF THE LAST MEETING. THEY WERE ZONED IN 1988, AND SO, THEY WERE DEVELOPED AS RESIDENTIAL AT THE TIME, AND SO, THE PURPOSE FOR THIS IS TO GO BACK AND CHANGE IT, SO IT IS

RESIDENTIAL. >> DOUGLAS PARKER, IT IS 2.58

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ALL ARE CURRENTLY RESIDENTIAL, SOME WERE BUILT IN THE 50S AND 60S. RESIDENTIAL USE IS WITHIN IB, IF IT IS SERVING AS SECURITY FOR THE INDUSTRIAL USE. HOWEVER, IT IS CURRENTLY ZONED, THERE IS NO INDUSTRIAL USE. THAT USE IS A NONCONFORMING USE . THEY ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE LAND USE CATEGORY AND THEIR USE IS CONFORMING.

PROPERTY. IT IS AR. IS BEING USED. THE THREE PARCELS THAT ARE PURPLE WAS LESS BOAT STORAGE AND THESE ARE THE ITEMS TONIGHT, WHICH WOULD BE SIMILAR TO THE AR TO THE EAST. STAFF IS REQUESTING THIS CHANGE FROM IV TO AR ON THESE FOUR PARCELS.

STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL. YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?

>> I'M CONFUSED. >> I'M NOT CONFUSED BUT I DID HAVE ONE. IS THIS GOING TO IMPACT THE BOAT GUY? IS THIS GOING TO IMPACT THE GUY WHO WAS UP AT THE MARINA IN THERE?

>> THE IMPACT WOULD BE THAT HE WOULD BE NEXT TO RESIDENTIAL.

HE'S INDUSTRIAL AND HE WILL BE BACK NEXT TO RESIDENTIAL AND WOULD HAVE TO PROVIDE A BUFFER THAT IS APPROPRIATE FOR INDUSTRIAL NEXT TO RESIDENTIAL.

>> HE'S ONE -- OKAY. I GOT IT NOW.

>> ALL OF THESE PARCELS ARE CURRENTLY BEING USED FOR RESIDENTIAL INCLUDING THE PREVIOUS MONTH. WHEN HE BROUGHT APPLICATION IN, IT APPEARS TO BE ALL AR, SO HE CAME IN WITH A REQUEST TO CHANGE IT TO INDUSTRIAL LAND USE, SO AT THE TIME HE THOUGHT HE WOULD HAVE TO PROVIDE THE 30 FOOT BUFFER.

THIS? ALL RIGHT. >> IF THESE PROPERTIES WERE NOT CHANGED TO RESIDENTIAL, HE WOULD BE PROVIDING A 10 FOOT BUFFER WITH TREEPLANTING EVERY 50 FOOT. NO FENCE, NO WALL, NO NOTHING. 30 FOOT C BUFFER WOULD REQUIRE A WALL .

>> THERE IS NO APPLICANT OR PROPERTY OWNERS.

>> OKAY. THAT'S WHAT I MEANT. AT THIS TIME, I GUESS IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO OPEN A PUBLIC HEARING, WHICH I WILL DO AND I DO NOT HAVE ANY CARDS ON THIS SLIP. IS THERE ANYBODY WHO WISHES TO BE HEARD ON THIS MATTER? IF NOT, I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND BRING IT BACK TO THE

COMMISSION. >> I WILL MOVE THE STAFF REPORT. NO REAL CAVEAT, BUT JUST THAT THE GUY DOING THE BOAT YARD KNOWS THAT HE'S ON THE HOOK FOR A BUFFER NOW. I

WILL MOVE THE STAFF REPORT. >> THAT WAS A MOTION IN A SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL OF THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE

[7.  Public Hearing to consider ZON-0923-00022. (District 1, Comm. Cella) (M. Brown)]

ZONING CHIEF. >> MADAM COMMISSIONER, MADAM CHAIRMAN AND COMMISSION, Z LETTER A LETTER IN-0923-00022

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DISTRICT 1 COMMISSIONER AND THIS WILL BE HEARD NEXT TUESDAY AT 5:00 P.M. OR SOON THEREAFTER IT WILL BE HEARD. HERE IS AN AERIAL SEWING YOU A LOCATION OF THE PARCEL. THE PARCEL IS DESIGNATED PARCEL IN THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP AND AS I INDICATED, IS UNDEVELOPED AND LOCATED IN THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF COLLEGE DRIVE AND BRICKYARD ROAD. THE EXISTING BA-2 ZONING DISTRICT LIMITS DEVELOPMENT OF THE SITE TO COMMERCIAL AND PROFESSIONAL OFFICES, WHICH ARE LIMITED TO NO MORE THAN 2500 SQUARE FEET IN SIZE. THE APPLICANT -- APPLICATION STATED THE PURPOSE OF THE REZONING WAS FOR OFFICE DEVELOPMENT. THERE IS A ZONING MAP SHOWING YOU THE SURROUNDING ZONING. TO THE NORTH IS PARCELS OWNED PS ONE AND TO THE EAST, IMMEDIATELY, IS AR ZONING AND THAT IS DEVELOPED WITH A SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENCE DWELLING UNIT. WEST ACROSS THE COLLEGE IS A PCD THAT WAS APPROVED FOR OFFICE AND RETAIL USE AND THEN SOUTH ACROSS BRICKYARD IS A PARCEL THAT IS ZONED BB-2 AS EXISTING COMMERCIAL USE. AS I INDICATED IN SUMMARY, THE APPLICATION IS TO CHANGE THE ZONING MAP FOR ONE POINT FOR FOUR ACRES FROM BA-22BV-3 AND THE REQUEST IS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMMERCIAL LAND USE BUFFERED AND SCREEN STANDARDS OF ARTICLE SIX WILL REQUIRE A 20 FOOT TYPE BUFFER ALONG THE NORTHERN AND EASTERN PROPERTY BOUNDARIES IF THE REZONING IS APPROVED. STAFF HAS REVIEWED THE APPLICATION AT THE REQUEST COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING AREA. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF APPLICATION CN0 LETTER IN AND YOU HAVE ATTENDED A LETTER AND STAFF RECEIVED THIS THIS AFTERNOON FROM THE COLLEGE DRIVE INITIATIVE WITH THEIR STATEMENTS AND I'M SURE THEY ARE HERE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. THE QUESTIONS OF STAFF AT THIS

POINT WE >> QUESTIONS FROM THE

COMMISSION. >> DOES HE SPECIFY HOW BIG THE

OFFICE IS GOING TO BE? >> THAT WILL BE DEALT WITH DURING THE DEVELOPMENT DRC BUT THERE IS NOTHING SPECIFYING HOW BIG IT COULD BE. THERE IS -- BB-3 DOES HAVE A MAXIMUM AREA RATIO OF 40%, SO WE CAN'T BE GREATER THAN NOT, BUT, YOU KNOW

THEY SHOULD >> BI-2 REQUIRES THIS.

>> YES, PROFESSIONAL OFFICE. YEAH.

>> MADAM CHAIR. >> ALL RIGHT. MR. BROWN, THANK YOU. FIRST OFF, I'M ANXIOUS TO HEAR. I'M HOPING THE COLLEGE DRIVE INITIATIVE GROUP IS HERE BECAUSE ACCORDING TO THIS LETTER IT SAYS, THEY HAVE A MET WITH THE APPLICANT AND THAT'S OBVIOUSLY OF CONCERN. MY QUESTION TO YOU IS, THEY HAVE NOT SUBMITTED A SITE PLAN THAT I HAVE SEEN. RIGHT?

>> CORRECT. >> AND IS THE APPLICANT HERE? I WILL WAIT FOR THE PRESENTATION. OKAY. I WILL WAIT FOR THE PRESENTATION. THANK YOU.

>> IS THERE ANYTHING FURTHER FOR STAFF BEFORE WE PROCEED? IF THE APPLICANT WOULD COME FORWARD AND MAKE THE

PRESENTATION. >> YES, I'M IN DAVID WINTER, 1633 FARM WHITE, MIDDLEBURG, FLORIDA. THE PURPOSE OF THIS .

MY INTENT WAS NOT TO BUILD A BUNCH OF 2500 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING BECAUSE I CAN DO THAT, LEGALLY, WITH THE WAY THE

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THAT'S THE PURPOSE. >> DO WE HAVE QUESTIONS FOR THE

APPLICANT? >> I'M JUST CURIOUS. ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH SOMETHING CALLED PCD PLAN COMMERCIAL

DEVELOPMENT? >> NO , SIR.

>> YOU'RE NOT. >> I'M NEW TO THIS.

>> RIGHT. >> OKAY.

>> MY QUESTION WOULD BE, WHY BB-3? RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET IS AIR MAX. THAT'S A PRETTY GOOD SIZE OFFICE BUILDING AND THEY ARE BV-2. WHAT IS A BB-3 GIVE YOU? I SAW SOMEWHERE, IT

WAS FOR OUTSIDE STORAGE . >> NO, SIR. I'M NOT TRYING TO DO ANY OUTSIDE STORAGE AND, YES, I DIDN'T KNOW THAT I COULD DO A BB-2 BECAUSE I TALKED TO MIKE TAYLOR. I KNOW AIR MAX. I HAVE PICTURES OF WHAT THEY ARE BUILDING AND I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHY AM LIMITED TO 2500 SQUARE FOOT. I WENT TO THE ZONING DEPARTMENT AND SPOKE WITH SEVERAL PEOPLE THERE AND THEY DIRECTED ME TO BB-3 . THAT'S HOW I GOT THERE. NOW, MIKE HAS 12,000. MIKE HAS 12,368 SQUARE FEET. I CANNOT UNDERSTAND WHY I WOULD BE LIMITED TO 2500 SQUARE FOOT BUILDINGS. WHEN I WENT TO THE ZONING DEPARTMENT, THEY DIRECTED ME TO BB 3 AND MY CIVIL ENGINEER, I TALKED TO HIM AND WE HAVEN'T DONE ANY PLANNING BECAUSE I CAN'T DO ANY PLANNING WITH THE PROPERTY UNTIL I KNOW WHAT I CAN BUILD ON, SO I DON'T HAVE ANY PLANS. I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING. I HAVE A CIVIL ENGINEER TO DO ALL OF THAT.

>> OKAY. >> SO I MIGHT BE IGNORANT TO THIS PROCESS HERE FOR WHAT TO DO HERE.

>> FIRST OFF, MR. WINTER, YOU ARE DOING A GREAT JOB AND I WENT TO AFFIRM THAT YOU ARE DOING A GREAT JOB AND I KNOW IT'S DIFFICULT TO COME UP IN FRONT OF EVERYBODY. MY CONCERN IS THE BV-3 BECAUSE THAT ALLOWS FOR A LOT OF DIFFERENT USES AND IF WE ARE ABLE TO COME TO A DIFFERENT ZONING SO THAT WE CAN GET YOU WHAT YOU ARE TRYING TO DO WITH THE PROPERTY, YOU KNOW, THAT IS WHEN ELEMENT OF MY CONCERN, SO LET ME TO START WITH, MR. BROWN, IF I COULD ASK. DO YOU HAVE A LIST THAT YOU CAN THROW ABOUT THE BB-3 USES?

>> NOT THAT I CAN SHOW WERE PULL UP. IT'S IN THE STAFF REPORT AND I DON'T HAVE THE STAFF REPORT.

>> YOU ARE NOT ABLE TO PULL IT UP.?.

>> NOW. >> I HAVE A HERE.

>> I CAN READ IT. >> MY CIVIL ENGINEER WAS CONCERNED ABOUT THIS AND SO DO I. I DON'T LIKE ALL OF THIS THAT WE ARE HAVING HERE. THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M TRYING TO DO.

>> THIS IS MY POINT. WITH THE BB HAPPEN NUMBER THREE, YOUR USE IS PERMITTED AND YOU CAN HAVE A GAS STATION THERE AND RIGHT NEXT TO A SCHOOL AND YOU HAVE RESIDENTS, SO THERE IS MORE CONCERN ABOUT -- THERE IS A WHOLE BUNCH OF DIFFERENT USES. THAT BB-3 OPENS UP. MY QUESTION REALLY PILLS OFF OF THE COMMISSIONER, IS THERE ADDITIONAL USE THAT WILL GIVE HIM THE OFFICE WITHOUT ALL OF THIS OTHER WAY THAT'S MY FIRST

[04:05:05]

>> CLEARLY IT WOULD. >> YOU COULD NARROW IT DOWN TO

EXACTLY WHAT YOU WANT TO DO. >> A BB-2 IS PRIMARILY FOR RETAIL, SO IT IS A GRAY AREA AND PUTTING A OFFICE THERE IS AND PROBABLY THE INTENT OF THE BB-2, LIKE THE RETAIL TYPE USE BUT IF EVERYTHING WAS DONE, YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO MAKE THAT WORK. NOT NECESSARILY. I DON'T BELIEVE THE INTENT OF WHAT BB-2

WAS ADOPTED FOR. >> OKAY. I WILL MOVE ON FROM THIS AND SOMEBODY ELSE MAY HAVE A DIFFERENT QUESTION BUT WERE YOU ABLE TO MEET WITH THE GROUP, THE COLLEGE FIVE

INITIATIVE? >> I DO NOT KNOW THERE WAS A

GROUP. >> IS A GROUP OF CIVIC MINDED FOLKS FROM THAT AREA AND THERE ARE SEVERAL OF THEM SET UP AROUND THE COUNTY AND WE LIKE TO ENCOURAGE THE APPLICANT'S TO GO AND PRESENT TO THAT GROUP AND YOU'VE HEARD A COUPLE OF TIMES THIS EVENING WHERE THEY WILL COME TOGETHER AND THEY WILL HEAR THE APPLICANT AND THROUGH ANY QUESTIONS THEY HAVE AND WHETHER TO SUPPORT IT OR NOT AND WE OBVIOUSLY LISTEN TO THAT BUT WE MAKE OUR OWN DECISIONS. I WILL LEAVE IT THERE. I APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU FOR COMING.

>> I THINK, IF I MAY, OUR BIGGEST CONCERN IS NOT YOUR CURRENT USAGE BUT THE ZONE TO BB-3 AND YOU SAID THIS IS BASED ON YOUR RETIREMENT AND AT ONE POINT IF YOU DECIDE, SO THIS OFTEN I WANT TO TAKE MY PROFITS FROM MY PROPERTY AND EVERYTHING AND YOU GO YOUR WAY AND THE NEXT PERSON COMING IN THEN HAS THE RIGHT TO DO WHATEVER THEY WANT TO DO BASED ON THAT BB-3 ZONING. THAT'S WHY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TRYING TO FIND SOMETHING DIFFERENT FOR YOU THAT BE CONFORMING TO THAT PARTICULAR INITIATIVE OF THAT COLLEGE FIVE INITIATIVE AND WHAT THEY ARE BASICALLY TRYING TO DO.

>> I WOULD BE OPEN TO THAT BECAUSE ALTHOUGH I'M DOING IS TO NOT BE CONFORMED AT 2500 SQUARE FOOT BUILDINGS. THAT'S THE LAST THING I WANT TO DO. I WILL PUT THREE OR FOUR OF THEM ON THERE AND WHAT WILL THAT DO? THAT'S NOT MY PURPOSE. MY PURPOSE IS TO BUILD 3000 AND 8000 AND IT'S NOT ALL THIS STUFF THAT IT'S IN HERE. I DON'T LIKE WHAT'S IN HERE

EITHER. >> YOU UNDERSTAND OUR POINT TOO AND IF I WOULD HAVE GOT DIRECTED IN A DIFFERENT WAY AND I THOUGHT I DID ENOUGH RESEARCH BY GOING TO THE ZONING DEPARTMENT AND MAYBE I JUST -- ONCE THEY SENT ALL OF THIS TO ME AND I READ IT, I'M A CHRISTIAN PERSON AND I SEE THIS NOT SAY, OH, GEEZ IN MY CIVIL ENGINEERS SAID THAT. HE GOES, YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE A HARD TIME WITH THIS AND THAT'S NOT MY INTENT. MY INTENT IS TO HAVE TWO BUILDINGS.

>> ARE THERE ANY MORE QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT AT THIS TIME?

>> I DON'T THINK SO. >> LET'S GO TO PUBLIC HEARING.

I HAVE COMMENT CARDS ON THIS. I'M GOING TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. THANK YOU, MR. WINTER AND THE FIRST WHEN I HAVE IS MCDANIELS. AND AFTER MS. MCDANIELS, WE WILL HEAR FROM CONNIE THOMAS AND THEN DEAN SOLANO.

>> I AM NANCY MCDANIELS, 1648 SANDY HOLLOW LOOP. I'M PART OF COLLEGE FIVE INITIATIVE. WE DID NOT KNOW ANY OF THIS WAS COMING, SO I HAVE A FEW THINGS THAT I WANTED TO SAY. YOU CAN TRUST ME AND I APPRECIATE THAT.

>> COULD YOU SPEAK INTO -- >> I APPRECIATE YOU ON THE

RETIREMENT THINK. >> OUR WORRY WAS THAT WE GOT IT APPROVED FOR BB-3 AND NO OFFENSE, MR. WINTER FLY THE COOP AND WHATEVER GOES THERE. THAT IS OUR BIGGEST CONCERN AS RESIDENTS OF COLLEGE DRIVE. MY OTHER CONCERN IS CERTAIN THINGS WERE NOT FOLLOWED. NO OFFENSE TO MR. WINTER, BUT THAT SIGN HAS NOT BEEN UP FOR THREE WEEKS AND THE ONE ON COLLEGE, IF YOU LOOK AT THE PAPER THAT I GAVE YOU, SORRY THE YOUNG LADY DID IT QUICKLY AND SHE MERGE TWO PICTURES, YOU CANNOT SEE THE ZONING SIGN FROM COLLEGE DRIVE. THE PICTURE OF THE BULLDOZER THINK HERE IS ME ■ STANDING ON THE WALL THAT IS SEPARATING COLLEGE DRIVE CONSTRUCTION FROM THE TRAFFIC.

THAT'S HOW I GOT THESE PICTURES BY SENDING ON THAT WALL. YOU CAN SEE THEM . THE BRICKYARD ROADSIDE WAS NOT A BAD ALL ON THANKSGIVING AND I CAN TELL YOU THIS TO BE A FACT BECAUSE I

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THAT SIGN WAS NOT THERE. YOU SEE ME UP HERE BEFORE. YOU KNOW I CARE ABOUT COLLEGE DRIVE. HAD THAT SIGN BEEN UP THERE BEFORE, MY FIRST PHONE CALL, I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS THANKSGIVING, WOULD HAVE BEEN TO MS. CONNIE THOMAS. SHE'S PROBABLY SITTING BEHIND ME SAYING, HEY, WHAT IS THE ZONING FOR. I DO NOT WENT BB-3. I UNDERSTAND YOU WANT TO PUT A BUSINESS THERE. AWESOME.

BY PUTTING IT BB-3, TWO YEARS FROM NOW WHEN MY FIRST AND SECOND YEAR GRANDSON IS WALKING TO THE ELEMENTARY, THEY MAY GO PAST A STRIP CLUB. THAT'S NOT WHAT COLLEGE DRIVE IS ABOUT. YOU KNOW WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO. WE ARE MAKING IT A DESTINATION BUT NOT TO THAT EXTREME. THE TRAFFIC, YOU ARE NEXT TO RESIDENTS AND PLEASE BE AWARE THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT LIVE RIGHT BEHIND YOUR PROPERTY. THEY ARE SITTING BACK HERE AND THEY ARE SCARED TO DEATH OF WHAT'S GOING ON OUT THERE. THIS IS THEIR FIRST TIME EVER IN A CLAY COUNTY MEETING.

PLEASE, FOLKS, I ASK YOU, JUST DON'T DO IT BB-3. WE CAN WORK WITH HIM. I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT BUT I DON'T WANT TO LEAVE IT OPEN TO TWO YEARS DOWN THE ROAD WITH HIS TO RETIREMENT, LIKE I SAID SELLING IT TO SOMEONE ELSE. ALL

RIGHT? THANK YOU. >> IF I MAY, MADAM CHAIR. JUST TO ADD A COMMENT, THERE IS A LOT OF CONSTRUCTION GOING ON RIGHT NOW AND THAT IS THAT IS THAT PARTICULAR SPOT. THEY ARE RELEASING STORM DRAINS AND THINGS LIKE THAT AND IT'S VERY POSSIBLE THAT A SIGN COULD HAVE GOT KNOCKED OVER, MOVED OR WHATEVER. I KNOW IT IS, BUT AT ONE POINT, THEY COULD HAVE DURING THE CONSTRUCTION PROCESS, SO I DIDN'T WANT TO

POINT ANY FINGERS. >> MADAM CHAIR, I, YOU KNOW, THIS IS RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER FROM ME AND I DRIVE DOWN THAT ROAD ALL THE TIME AND IF YOU REMEMBER WE DID A PARCEL NEXT TO THE SCHOOL AND WE SAID WE ARE GOING TO FIX ALL THE TRAINING AND THEY ARE FIXING IT BY TEARING COLLEGE ROAD TO PIECES AND SHE IS CORRECT. ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD, THERE WAS WHEN OF THOSE TEMPORARY CONCRETE BARRIERS AND I THINK THEY JUST TOOK IT DOWN BUT IT WAS THERE FOR MONTHS AND YOU COULDN'T SEE THIS SIGN IF YOU WENT BY. I MEAN, THE APPLICANT DID WHAT THEY WERE REQUESTED TO DO BUT THIS IS WHEN OF THOSE EXAMPLES WHERE, REALLY, COUNTY DID THE SUN BECAUSE WE ARE THE ONES PAYING FOR ALL OF THE CONSTRUCTION WORK BUT THEY'VE HAD THAT ROAD TORN UP FOR MONTHS, MONTHS AND MONTHS AND THEY HAVE THE OTHER SIDE TORN UP AND NOW IT'S REALLY FUN TO

DRIVE THROUGH. >> ONE LANE EACH WAY.

>> WE NEED TO LET MS. THOMAS SPEAK.

>> SORRY. >> I DON'T THINK I HAVE MUCH TO SAY ANYMORE. NANCY COVERED IT. CONNIE THOMAS, 2322 KARN STREET AND I THINK THAT MANY OF YOU KNOW THAT WE'VE BEEN IN THIS PROCESS NOW WITH COLLEGE DRIVE INITIATIVE FOR OVER THREE YEARS NOW AND JUST RECENTLY HAD THE URBAN LAND INSTITUTE AND DO A TYPE OF RESEARCH ON THE ETIRE COLLEGE DRIVE AND WHAT THEY CAME UP WITH WAS, YOU KNOW, THE HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE OF BRICKYARD ROAD AND CALLING THAT AREA THE BRICK YOUR DISTRICT, WE TALKED ABOUT THE POND THAT IS NOT FAR FROM BRICKYARD ROAD TO BE BRICKYARD POND. EVERYTHING IS GOING IN THAT DIRECTION TO HAVE SOMETHING REALLY GREAT HAPPENED AROUND BRICKYARD ROAD, SO WHEN THIS CAME UP, I MEAN, WE WERE REALLY STUNNED TO FIND OUT THAT THIS IS EXACTLY THE PLACE WHERE WE WANT TO INCREASE USE ON THAT END AND IT WAS THE EXACT OPPOSITE OF WHAT THE COUNTY IS PAYING FOR. I WOULD SAY OVER $80,000 TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE IN PARTNERSHIP AND MOVING FORWARD WITH A GREAT STUDY AND A GREAT USE OF COLLEGE DRIVE, SO I CAN READ THE LETTER INTO THE RECORD IF WE NEED TO BUT WHATEVER YOU WOULD LIKE TO DO.

>> IS IN THE RECORD. >> WE CAN SEE THAT THERE ARE SEVERAL REQUESTS ON THERE AND BECAUSE OF THE REPORT, WE WANT TO DO AN OVERLAY DISTRICT ITEM WOULD REALLY LOVE TO SEE A MORATORIUM ON ANY KIND OF ZONING CHANGES UNTIL WE GET THAT OVERLAY DISTRICT IN PLACE. THE OTHER PART IS THAT THE COMMISSIONER HAS BEEN ON OUR TEAM FOR ALL THESE YEARS, AS YOU KNOW, HE'S GOING TO BE ROLLING OFF OF THE BBC THE

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>> THANK YOU. LET'S SAY. DAY >> I'M DONE.

>> DEAN. >> DEAN, 17 30 BALBOA LANE.

DIRECTLY OFF OF BRICKYARD, PRIVATE ROAD. IN THE RECENT PAST -- I'M SORRY. I BUILT MY HOME THERE ABOUT 22 YEARS AGO, VERY FIRST. WAS 22 OFFICIAL YEARS NOT BEEN THERE ALMOST 30 YEARS AND I HAVE THE PS 1, THE CHURCH, PAY CENTER FOR GIRLS. I OFFERED EASEMENT UP. WATER SEWAGE CANCER MY PROPERTY . I DIDN'T FIGHT IT. I CAN'T BEAT THEM TO. JOIN THEM. I'M NOT AFRAID OF PROGRESS. AND OF COURSE, AND I ALWAYS TALK ABOUT WANTING TO LIVE IN THE CITY AND I THINK I'M GOING TO LIVE IN MOVE. BUT WHEN THIS CAME UP, I THINK A LOT OF IT HAS BEEN ADDRESSED AND I HAVE NO ISSUES AT ALL WITH TAYLOR AND AIR MAX ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF BRICKYARD. THEY DO A WONDERFUL JOB BUT THIS CONCERN, GAS STATIONS, ALL OF THOSE KINDS OF THINGS, THEY COULD POSSIBLY BE A PROBLEM IN THE FUTURE IF MR. WINTER WERE TO SELL. I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THIS RE-ADDRESSED OR APPROACHED IN A DIFFERENT WAY BECAUSE I THINK THE BB-3 OPENS UP ALL KINDS OF DOORS THAT WE FEAR. I'VE BEEN THERE.

I AM NOW FULLY SURROUNDED, BASICALLY, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF ONE SPLIT LOT NEXT TO AR AND I'M SURROUNDED. I DON'T REALLY HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT BUT I DON'T WANT A GAS STATION. AS WE ALL KNOW, BRICKYARD HAS NO OUTLET AND I KNOW THAT BB-3 OPENS IT UP TO IT SEMI TRACTOR TRAILERS AND ALL THAT KIND OF THING. AS I SAID, AIR MAX OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, I WOULD BE WELCOME. I JUST HAVE CONCERNS THAT WE WOULD BE DOWN TO FUTURE HEARINGS OF DR C TO BUILD OFF OF SOMETHING ELSE COMING IN THERE IF HE DECIDED NOT TO DEVELOP ANY ZONING HAD ALREADY

BEEN CHANGED. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. FIRST I NEED TO SEE IF THERE IS ANYBODY ELSE WHO WISHES TO BE HEARD. WE WILL GET MR. WINTER A CHANCE TO RESPOND. OKAY. I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING AND MR. WINTER, IF YOU WOULD

LIKE TO RESPOND. >> PART OF THE REASON THEY DIRECTED ME TO BB-3 IS BECAUSE I WAS GOING TO BUY A FRANCHISE UP AT A RESTAURANT THERE AND THAT WAS GOING TO HELP WITH ANOTHER INCOME . THAT WAS THE WHOLE INTENT. MY OFFICE AND GRUMPY'S. AFTER THE 124 PAGES OF FRANCHISE STUFF WE WENT THROUGH, THEY WANT TO MY ARM, MY WIFE'S LEG AND EVERYTHING

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>> AT THIS TIME, WILL WILL BRING THIS BACK TO THE

COMMISSION. >> I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO DENY . THAT'S THE MOTION. HOWEVER, I WOULD COME BACK TO STAFF AND DISCUSS A PCD TO THEM. I PLAN COMMERCIAL BUILDING AND THAT WOULD BE A MUCH BETTER AVENUE FOR YOU TO GO. MY MOTION IS TO

DENY. >> I WILL SECOND THAT.

>> DISCUSSION. >> I NEED STAFF A QUESTION THOUGH. I DON'T WANT TO PUT MR. WINTER ON THE HOOK FOR MORE MONEY. CAN WE CONTINUE THIS AND MODIFY IT SOMEHOW?

>> NO, BECAUSE WE HAVE TO RE-ADVERTISE. IT'S HIGHER UP ON THE TOTEM POLE TO DEAL WITH THE ISSUE BUT WE WOULD BE WILLING TO PUT THAT TO THE POWERS THAT WE HAVE THAT AUTHORITY. I CAN'T MAKE ANY PROMISES AT THIS POINT.

>> I SHARE THAT CONCERN I'M GLAD YOU RAISED IT.

>> WE CAN PASS ON TO THAT CAME OUT FROM THE PLANNING

COMMISSION. >> IN ADDITION TO THAT, A PCD WOULD GO A LONG WAYS TO ALLEVIATE CONCERNS AND MR. WINTER, IF YOU ARE NOT OPPOSED TO IT, WHEREVER SHE IS. RIGHT THERE. SHE'S THE HEAD OF THAT COLLEGE DRIVE INITIATIVE AND TO WORK WITH THEM TO SEE IF YOU GUYS CAN COME TO AN AGREEMENT WITH WHAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE FOR THAT PARCEL THAT MIGHT FIT IN TO EVERYBODY'S VISION. THE RESTAURANT IS A GOOD IDEA, BY THE WAY. I HATE WE ARE GOING TO CAUSE YOU TO PAY FILING FEE BUT MAYBE WE CAN DO A RESOLUTION OR SOMETHING AND ASKED THE BBC OR WHOEVER WAY THAT.

>> CAN'T WE JUST MODIFY THE DENIAL?

>> HOWARD HAS TO MAKE THAT DECISION.

>> ALL RIGHT. YOU THINK IT NEEDS TO BE ANOTHER MOTION?

>> I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE SOMETHING THAT WE STATE.

>> LET'S ASK THE ATTORNEY ABOUT THAT.

>> LET ME ASK THE QUESTION REAL QUICK. IN THE PAST, WE'VE NOT NEGOTIATED BUT THEY COME TO THE LIGHT AND A MODIFIED THEIR DESIRES. CAN THAT BE DONE NOW?

>> IT'S ONLY A WEEK. >> I DON'T CARE. I WILL SCRATCH

IT OUT AND WRITE IN PCD. >> WELL, THAT WASN'T SOMETHING THAT WAS ADVERTISED. IT SEEMS LIKE THE PCD MIGHT BE MORE RESTRICTIVE BUT IT WASN'T ADVERTISED AS PCD AND I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION. I THINK IT IS MORE E EXPENSIVE TO DO A PCD OR PD PAYING THE DIFFERENCE IN COST BETWEEN THE TWO BUT THERE WOULD BE THE ADVERTISING COST. IT WASN'T STAFFS FAULT. RIGHT? THEY CAME IN WITH GRUMPY'S AND

I WAS SCARED. >> WHAT I WAS TOLD FROM THE ZONING DEPARTMENT IS, IF THIS FAILS, I CAN'T COME BACK FOR ANOTHER YEAR. IS THAT THE CASE?

>> NO, YOU CANNOT COME BACK -- I'M SORRY. YOU CAN'T COME BACK

WITH THE SAME REZONING. >> THE SAME ZONING. I DIDN'T

REALIZE THAT. >> YOU CAN COME BACK AT ANY

TIME. >> IF I WAS GOING TO BE HELD UP

FOR A YEAR. >> SO ARE WE READY -- DID WE HAVE A MOTION? A MOTION IN A SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION TO DENY THE APPLICATION? ANY A POST? THERE IS NONE, SO IT IS A DENIAL BUT DO WE WANT TO DO A

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>> I WOULD LIKE TO GET IT ON THE RECORD THAT THERE IS A CONSENSUS, SO IF THIS HAS TO GO TO HOWARD OR WHOEVER, THAT HE UNDERSTANDS THAT THAT IS OUR WISH , WHETHER HE WANTS TO DO

IT OR NOT. >> I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT.

>> WE ALL AGREE WITH THAT. ALL RIGHT. THAT IS DONE.

>> THAT WILL BE IN THE MINUTES.

>> ALL RIGHT. I BELIEVE THAT CONCLUDES THIS PARTICULAR MATTER AND WE ARE ON TO -- I'M SORRY.

>> NANCY. >> NANCY.

>> MISS MCDANIELS. >> NANCY.

>> IN ORDER TO AVOID COMPLICATIONS IN THE FUTURE I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT YOU GET -- I WOULD RECOMMEND YOU GET WITH HIM AND HAVE SOME REPRESENTATIVE IDENTIFIED BY THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS THAT YOU ARE A REPRESENTATIVE THE COLLEGE DRIVE INITIATIVE SO THAT YOU CAN BE INCLUDED IN THE LOOP AND SOME OF THE STUFF IN THE

[8.  Public Hearing to consider ZON-1023-00024 (District 5, Comm. Burke) (M. Brown)]

FUTURE. OKAY. THANK YOU. >> I'M JUST THE GO-DO-THIS

PERSON. >> ALL RIGHT. I WERE ITEM NUMBER 8 ON THE AGENDA IS PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDERED AND THIS IS PRESENTED BY ZONING CHIEF MIKE BROWN.

>> MADAM CHAIRMAN AND PLANNING COMMISSION, THIS APPLICATION IS TO CHANGE THE ZONING ON 2.45 ACRES FROM BA NEIGHBORHOOD BUSINESS AND THE PARCEL IS LOCATED AT 3075 HIGHWAY 17 IN GRIEGO. IT'S IN THE SPRINGS PLENTY DISTRICT. COMMISSIONER BROOKS DISTRICT AND THIS WILL BE HERE NEXT WEEK AT 5:00 P.M.

OR SOON THEREAFTER TO BE HEARD. HERE IS THE AERIAL SHOWING YOU THE LOCATION OF THIS PARCEL. THE PARCEL IS DESIGNATED COMMERCIAL IN THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP. IT'S DEVELOPED WITH 3120 SQUARE FOOT COMMERCIAL BUILDING, WHICH HAS RECENTLY BEEN CONVERTED TO A RESTAURANT. IT HAS DIRECT ACCESS ON HIGHWAY 17. THE PRESENT ZONING ALLOWS FOR RESTAURANT SELLING OUTLAW BEVERAGES LIMITED TO BEER AND WINE ONLY. THE ONLY ZONING DISTRICTS OUTSIDE OF OUR MASTER PLAN AREAS THAT PERMIT RESTAURANTS SELLING ALCOHOL BEVERAGES, WHICH ARE NOT LIMITED TO ONLY BEER AND WINE ARE BB AND BB-5 DISTRICTS. THE CODE DOES NOT ALLOW ANY PARCELS TO BE REZONED. THE ONLY OPTION FOR A RESTAURANT TO SELL ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE IN ADDITION TO ONLY BEER AND WINE IS THE BB-5 SELLING DISTRICT. THE PARCEL IS LOCATED AT MAHATMA BLUFF AND HIGHWAY 17 AND NEXT TO THE TRIANGLE WITH COUNTY ROAD 209. NORTH OF THE PARCEL IS B LETTER A-2 ZONING. EAST OF THE PARCEL IS RA ZONING OR SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT. BB AND BA ZONING IS WEST ACROSS HIGHWAY ZONING AND SELF IS BB AND RA ZONING, WHICH IS NOT IN A DEVELOPED PARCEL PRESENTLY. AS I INDICATED A REQUEST IS TO CHANGE THE ZONING. THERE REQUEST IS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMMERCIAL FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION AND, AGAIN, BB-5 IS THE ONLY ZONING DISTRICT TO ALLOW RESTAURANTS FOR THE SALE OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES FOR ON-SITE CONSUMPTION, WHICH IS NOT ONLY LIMITED TO BEER AND WINE. STAFF HAS REVIEWED THE APPLICATION AND DETERMINED THAT THE REQUEST IS COMPATIBLE FOR THE SURROUNDING AREA AND STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL WITH ZON- 1023-00024. ANY QUESTIONS OF

STAFF? >> COMMISSIONER?

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>> IS THIS ONE OF THE DESIGNATED PARCELS THAT ADORED

ENTERTAINMENT ALLOW? >> NOW, IT IS NOT.

>> EVEN IF THEY RECEIVED THE BB-5, THEY CANNOT OPEN UP A --

>> OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION? IF NOT, WE WILL HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT. IS THERE ANYONE REPRESENTING THE APPLICANT HERE TONIGHT? ALL RIGHT. AT THIS POINT, I DO HAVE A FEW PUBLIC COMMENTS AND I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC COMMENT HEARING AND I HAVE FINLEY FORD AND STACY . I'M SORRY. I DON'T HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS ON THESE AND IS THERE ANYBODY WHO WANTS TO SPEAK TO THIS? SEEING NO ONE, I'M GOING TO CLOSE IT -- I'M SORRY, SIR. I DIDN'T SEE YOU. OH. I WILL REOPEN.

>> WAS HE SWORN IN AT THE BEGINNING?

>> DID YOU TAKE THE OLD EARLIER WHEN EVERYBODY WAS SWORN IN? WOULD YOU MIND DOING THAT NOW? ALL RIGHT.

>> YOU CAN START THERE. ALYSSA RIGHT THERE. YOU CAN SAY RIGHT

THERE. >> YOU CAN STAY RIGHT THERE.

>> DO YOU SOLEMNLY SWEAR FROM THE TESTIMONY THAT YOU ARE ABOUT TO GIVE US THE WHOLE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH

SO HELP YOU GOD? >> YES, MA'AM.

>> I APPRECIATE USE SERVE. >> THEY ARE NAME AND YOUR

ADDRESS. >> MY NAME IS KEN ZOLLER'S NOW LIVE AT 3047 HIGHWAY 17 AND WE'VE LIVED THERE FOR ABOUT 34 YEARS. WE WERE THERE WHEN THE BUILDING WAS BUILT AND I WAS IN THIS OFFICE CONTESTING THAT. I THOUGHT IT MIGHT BECOME A LIQUOR STORE AND IT CERTAINLY DID. NOW THEY ARE SERVING LIQUOR IN THE RESTAURANT AND I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT AS LONG AS IT IS IN THE RESTAURANT. MY QUESTION TONIGHT IS THE ZONING CHANGE, ARE THEY GOING TO BE ABLE TO BUILD ADDITIONAL BUILDINGS ON THAT SITE? I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT

THEIR PLAN IS. >> I THINK THE RIGHT TO BUILD IS CONSISTENT TO WHATEVER THE NEW ZONING ALLOWS. SO ADDITIONAL BUILDINGS COULD BE THERE BUT THE USES ARE RESTRICTED TO WHAT ALLOWED IF THE ZONING IS APPROVED.

>> WHERE ARE THE MYSTERIOUS FOLKS THAT ON THAT PROPERTY?

>> THE APPLICANT CHOSE NOT TO APPEAR OR TO MAKE THEIR PRESENCE KNOWN, O WE DON'T KNOW.

>> WHERE DOES THAT PUT ME AS A CITIZEN ACROSS THE STREET FROM

THIS PLACE? >> I WOULD RECOMMEND THEY

SHOULD >> THAT YOU REACH OUT TO THE OWNER AND TALK WITH HIM ABOUT IT. MR. BROWN CAN GIVE YOU

THEIR CONTACT INFORMATION. >> THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. WAS THERE ANYBODY ELSE THAT WANTED TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? ALL RIGHT. I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> YES, PLEASE. >> SO IF THIS DOES GET APPROVED OR IF WE PASS THIS UP TO THE COUNTY COMMISSION AND THEY APPROVE IT, IT DOES NOT GIVE THEM AN AUTOMATIC RIGHT TO SERVE LIQUOR OTHER THAN BEER AND WINE CURRENTLY. THERE ARE -- THERE IS RESTRICTIONS BY THE STATE THEY HAVE TO CONFORM TO CERTAIN THINGS FROM THE STATE BEFORE THEY WILL BE ISSUED A LIQUOR LICENSE. AND NUMBER ONE, IT WILL BE REQUIRED . THAT WOULD NOT TURN BUSINESS INTO A BAR WITHOUT WOULD ONLY BE ALLOWING TO SERVE ALCOHOL TO CUSTOMERS COMING IN FOR THE PURPOSE OF HAVING A MEAL . IF THEY WANTED TO TURN IT INTO A BAR OR DO ANYTHING OVER A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF THE FOOD BUSINESS, THEN THEY WOULD HAVE TO APPLY FOR DIFFERENT LIQUOR LICENSE, WHICH WOULD TURN THEM INTO A BAR OR LIQUOR STORE.

THIS IS NOT, YOU KNOW, OTHER THAN GIVING THEM THE RIGHT TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT IN THE COUNTY, DOES NOT GIVE THEM A LICENSE TO DO IT. THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE STATE FOR THAT.

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>> THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR ANY OTHER

DISCUSSION ON THIS MATTER? >> I'M A LITTLE DISTURBED THAT THE APPLICANT IS NOT HERE, ESPECIALLY FOR SOMETHING LIKE THIS. I WOULD BE INCLINED TO VOTE TO DENY THIS BUT I THINK A BETTER COURSE MIGHT BE TO CONTINUE THIS UNTIL JANUARY AND WHEN HE ASKED THE STAFF WHAT HAPPENED WE WILL SAY, YOU WEREN'T THERE. IF YOU WANT TO DO THIS, COME IN AND MAKE YOUR CASE AND I ONLY SUGGEST THE CONTINUATION BECAUSE IF WE DENY IT AND THAT HAPPENS ALL THE WAY THROUGH, HE HAS TO WAIT A YEAR AND IT HAS TO BE ALL THE NEW PAPERWORK AGAIN. I THINK WE ARE BEING GENEROUS BY JUST CONTINUING.

>> I AGREE 100%. >> ALL RIGT. WE HAVE A MOTION? ITEM TO OUR JANUARY SECOND MEETING OR SOON THEREAFTER AS

IT COULD BE HEARD. >> I WILL SECOND.

>> ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION. ALL OF THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION. ANY OPPOSED. MOTION CARRIES. IT'S CONTINUED TO OUR NEXT MEETING. WE COME TO THE LAST ITEM ON OUR PUBLIC HEARING

[9.  Public Hearing to consider COMP1023-00015 and PUD-1023-00015. (District 5, Comm. Burke) (D. Selig)]

PRESENTATION. >> HERE WE GO. OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

THIS PROPERTY IS AT 60 -- 1679 CHAD ROAD. IT IS EQUALLY AND SPRINGS AND ITS DISTRICT 5. THE FUTURE LAND USE CHANGE WOULD CHANGE THE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION FROM RURAL RESIDENTIAL TO ROLL FRENCH AND THE REZONING WOULD CHANGE THE ZONING FROM AGRICULTURAL AND AGRICULTURAL RESIDENTIAL TO PUD, WHICH IS PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT. EXCUSE ME. THE AERIAL ON THE LEFT, THE PARCELS OUTLINED IN YELLOW , AND THE PARCEL MAP ON THE RIGHT, IS HASHED IN GRAY AND BLACK. THIS IS FOR A LARGER AREA. THANK YOU. THIS IS THE BACK OF THE SUBDIVISION NOLD IS AS WILL SPRINGS. IT IS OFF OF SHEDD ROAD. YOU SEE THE MAP ON THE LEFT AND IT'S THE EXISTING LAND USE AND THE MAP ON THE RIGHT SHOWS YOU THE PROPOSED PLAN USED CHANGE. THIS MAP SHOWS YOU THE ZONING AND THE AGRICULTURAL IS IN THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY, WHICH IS THE SOUTH IN THIS CASE. THIS IS THE CONCEPT SITE PLAN WHICH IS PART OF THE BEAUTY. IT'S A LITTLE BLURRY. I APOLOGIZE. THE WHITE BOXES ARE THE RETENTION AREAS AND THE RED HATCH AREA IS OPEN SPACE FOR RECREATION. THE APPLICANT IS DESIRING TO CONSTRUCT A SIX UNIT SINGLE-FAMILY SUBDIVISION. IT'S THREE UNITS PER ACRE, WHICH IS ALLOWED UNDER THE RULE FRENCH FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION AND THE STAFF HAS GONE THROUGH THE REQUIREMENTS AND FOUND THAT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WAS MET AND

RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF BOTH. >> THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FROM STAFF ON THE ITEM?

>> YES, WHEN WE DID WILLOW SPRINGS BACK WHENEVER, THERE WAS AN ISSUE WITH THE FACT THAT SHEDD ROAD CAME UP BEHIND IT OR THROUGH IT. DID, AND AT THE TIME THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT PUTTING A DATE ON IT SHEDD ROAD OR SOMETHING. IS IT BLOCKED OFF? SOMEBODY WILL ANSWER THAT QUESTION WHEN THEY COME UP TO COMMENT. THAT WAS MY MAIN QUESTION.

>> I WILL POINT OUT THEY SHE IS A LITTLE EASIER TO SEE IT ON THE AERIAL. THEY WILL HAVE TO PAVE THEIR FRONTAGE ALL OUT

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THIS AERIAL WAS A CUL-DE-SAC RIGHT ABOUT THERE AND I THINK THE PAVEMENT SINCE A LITTLE FURTHER NOW BUT THEY WILL HAVE TO PUT A SIDEWALK FROM THEIR ENTRANCE AUTHOR THERE AND BACK UP TO CONNECT TO THE SIDEWALK WHERE THAT CUL-DE-SAC IS IN ORDER TO WHO HAVE ACCESS FOR CHILDREN GETTING THE SCHOOL.

>> IS THAT A ROAD THAT RUNS JUST ON THE NORTH EDGE OF THEIR

SITE? >> YES, THAT IS SHEDD ROAD. IT IS A SPLIT. YES, SHEDD ROAD ORIGINALLY, THE MAIN ONE, GOES RIGHT THROUGH BUT THIS IS PART OF SHEDD ROAD.

>> THIS GOES OUT TO 315? >> YES.

>> I'M SURE SOMEBODY WILL ANSWER THAT FOR ME TOO. OKAY.

ALL THAT I REMEMBER ABOUT SHEDD ROAD WAS WAY BACK WHEN WE WERE DOING SOME OF THE DISCUSSION ABOUT SARATOGA SPRINGS YEARS AGO. SHEDD ROAD WAS GOING TO BE THE MAIN ENTRANCE INTO SARATOGA SPRINGS BUT I THINK THE ISSUE WAS, AND THIS WAS BE MARQUIS STILL HERE AND THEY COULDN'T FIND DOCUMENTATION ON SHEDD ROAD. IT'S A ROAD THAT'S THERE ANYBODY KNOWS IT'S THERE AND THEY ARE NOT SURE WHO OWNS WHAT AND WHAT THE RIGHT AWAY'S ARE AND SO ON AND SO FORTH AND I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT AFFECTS

THAT. >> IS THERE ADDITIONAL

QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? >> ALL RIGHT. WE WERE ASKED THE

APPLICANT TO COME FORWARD. >> I HAVE A PRESENTATION THAT I WASN'T SURE WHAT TO DO WITH EARLIER. IS IT POSSIBLE TO GET THAT? WHILE SHE'S DOING THAT, I'M ON THEM. I DID NOT REALIZE THAT I PUT TRANSITIONS IN TO THIS. ARE RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. SO THE PROJECT SITE IS 20.69 ACRES. OF THAT, APPROXIMATELY 1.63 ACRES OF THAT IS ISOLATED DON GOOD QUALITY WETLANDS THAT WERE MAN-MADE DITCH AND A MAN-MADE POND AND YOU CAN SEE THAT POND JUST SOUTH OF THE CIRCLE THERE ON YOUR SCREEN.

PRESENT ZONING IS AGRICULTURAL AND AGRICULTURAL RESIDENTIAL.

WE ARE PROPOSING TO REZONE IT TO PUD . 62 FAMILY RESIDENCES AND OF OUR 26.5 ACRES, SIX-POINT 93 ACRES OF THEM WILL BE OPEN SPACE WITH THREE-POINT 66 ACRES OF ACTIVE RECREATION.

WE ARE PROPOSING A 25 POINT PERIMETER BUFFER AROUND THE ENTIRE SITE. ALL PARKING, SIGNAGE AND LANDSCAPING WILL BE CONSISTENT WITH LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. JUST TO GIVE YOU SOME SPECIFICATIONS ON THE LOTS THAT WE ARE PROPOSING, THE MINIMUM LOT AREA FOR EACH LOT WILL BE A MINIMUM 6000 SQUARE FEET WITH A MINIMUM LOT WITH A 50 FEET AND DEPTH OF 120 FEET.

THE MINIMUM LIVING AREA FOR EVERY RESIDENTIAL HOME BUILT WILL BE 1800 SQUARE FEET AND THE MAXIMUM LOT COVERAGE IS 60% WITH A MAXIMUM BUILDING HEIGHT OF 35 FEET. WE ARE PROPOSING SETBACKS AT 20 FEET ON THE FRONT, FIGHT ON THE SIDE AND 10 AT THE REAR WITH ANY QUARTER LIKES BEING AT 20 FOOT.

BASICALLY, BOTH ROAD FRONTAGES WOULD HAVE A 20 FOOT SETBACK IN ANY OF THIS RESTRUCTURES WOULD BE FIVE FEET. FROM THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, THE PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT, THE INTENT OF THAT IS TO CREW PRESERVE NATIONAL AMENITIES AND ACCOMPLISH MORE DESIRABLE ENVIRONMENT THAT WOULD BE POSSIBLE THROUGH THE STRICT APPLICATION OF THE CURRENT REGULATIONS. SORRY. AND FOR THE MINIMAL A FOR ANY BB-5 IS FIVE

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QUESTIONS. >> QUESTIONS FROM THE

COMMISSION . >> ON THE ROAD, YOU SAID THE PAVED PART OF THE ROAD WILL BE 24 FEET WIDE?

>> OR THE NEIGHBORHOOD ITSELF. YES.

>> THAT DOESN'T REALLY ALLOW FOR ON STREET PARKING ON BOTH

SIDES OF THE ROAD. OKAY. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT. WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION AND WE WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD. THE FIRST WHEN THAT I HAVE IS FINLEY FOUR AND FOLLOWING THAT, STACY .

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>> HI. MY NAME IS STANLEY. I LIVE ON 3375 SHEDD ROAD, GREEN COVE SPRINGS. I'M HERE TO OPPOSE ANY MORE NEW HOMES ON OUR ROAD. THIS WOULD ONLY WORSEN THE TRAFFIC PROBLEM ON OUR ROAD. THERE WOULD BE EVEN MORE CARS SPEEDING AND CARELESSLY PASSING WHEN ANOTHER GOING OVER THE SPEED LIMIT.

THEY WOULD HAVE TO LEAVE BY GOING DOWN SHEDD ROAD OR WILLOW SPRINGS. WE WITNESS EVERY DAY HOW FAST CARS FLY DOWN THE ROAD WHILE WE INNOCENTLY WAIT FOR OUR BUS. I'LL LEAVE WITH THIS, JUST IMAGINE BEING MY SIZE AND HAVING CARS FLYING BY YOU ABOUT FIVE FEET AWAY. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

>> MY NAME IS STACY AND I LEAVE IT 3417 BROWN ROAD, WHICH IS -- WE LIVE RIGHT OFF OF SHEDD ROAD AND AT THE OPPOSITE END OF THIS DEVELOPMENT THAT I CAN TELL YOU FOR YEARS, AND I WAS HERE AT THE MEETING WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT WILLOW SPRINGS AND CUTTING OFF SHEDD ROAD. I'VE LIVED HERE FOR 50 YEARS AND WE'VE HAD TO DEAL WITH A DEAD END NOW THAT SHEDD ROAD NO LONGER GOES ALL THE WAY THROUGH THIS, SO IF WE WENT TO GO THREE, WE HAVE TO CUT THROUGH WILLOW SPRINGS, WHICH IS NOT WIDE ENOUGH FOR CARS TO BE ON ON ALL SIDES OF THE ROADS THERE, BUT WE HAD DEALING WITH THE COUNTY AND THEY HAVE BEN BEEN DEALING WITH FLOODING ISSUES . WITH ALL OF THIS DEVELOPMENT, THE WATER HAS FLOWED DOWN ALL THE WAY THROUGH SHEDD ROAD ANOTHER WAY TO BROWN ROAD AND CRAZY FLOODING AND I WILL SAY THAT WE HAVE MET WITH MS. STEWART AND HER TEAM AND THEY'VE BEEN VERY HELPFUL AND HELPING US ADDRESS SOME OF THESE ISSUES, SO I WOULD REALLY -- WE'VE HAD MEETINGS AT MY HOME WITH THE RESIDENTS AND OUR STREETS TALKING ABOUT HOW CAN WE FIX THESE ISSUES AND I WOULD LOVE FOR YOU GUYS TO ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT HOW MUCH MONEY THE COUNTY HAVE SPENT FOR HELPING THESE FLOODING ISSUES AND TRYING TO BRING IN BIGGER CULVERTS AND DEAL WITH DIGGING OUT THE STITCHES AND TRYING TO ACCOMMODATE THE AMOUNT OF WATER THAT IS FALLING DOWN OUR ROAD AND THE OTHER ISSUE IS THE TRAFFIC. IT IS REALLY INSANE HOW FAST THESE CARS ARE. FINLEY IS CORRECT. THE MORNINGS AT THE BUS IS REALLY CRAZY BECAUSE PEOPLE DO NOT GO OUT THAT WAY.

THEY CUT THROUGH TO GET TO 17. YOU KNOW? THAT'S THE WAY THEY GO. THAT'S ONLY GOING TO EXACERBATE THE ISSUE AND IN THE OTHER THING IS THAT THE COUNTY HAS PAID JONES AND EDMONDS TO DO A FLOOD STUDY AND THAT STUDY IS NOT DONE AND IF YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO LOOK AT THOSE MAPS AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE SEEN OF THEM, BUT THEY ARE SHOWING THAT THAT IS A FLOODPLAIN AND IT IS WETLANDS AND WE ARE -- THEY EVEN TOLD US AT THAT MEETING THAT THE ST. JOHNS RIVER MANAGEMENT IS TALKING ABOUT BUYING THAT PROPERTY TO CONSERVE THE WETLANDS AND THE PROPERTY, SO WHY -- WE ARE GOING TO EXACERBATE ALL THESE ISSUES BY BUILDING 60 MORE HOMES. I DON'T THINK PEOPLE HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH A FEW HOMES BEING BUILT ON THE PROPERTY. 20 ACRES, BUT 62 MORE HOMES RIGHT THERE IS REALLY JUST A CRAZY IDEA AND I REALLY HOPE THAT YOU WILL TAKE ALL OF THAT INTO CONSIDERATION. THANK YOU.

>> ALL RIGHT. THE NEXT COMIC CARD I HAVE IS FOR CURTIS.

FOLLOWING CURTIS IS KATIE. >> THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR AND COMMISSIONERS AND BOARD MEMBERS. MY NAME IS CURTIS. I LIVE AT 3225 LOCKED IN PLACE. OCTOBER 5TH WAS ELECTED AS A DIRECTOR FOR OUR HLA BOARD AND ON OCTOBER 5TH AT THE ORGANIZATIONAL MEETING, THEY WENT AHEAD AND APPOINTED ME THERE PRESIDENT, SO I'M REPRESENTING 337 OTHER FELLOW HOMEOWNERS. WE CALLED AN HLA MEETING LAST NIGHT TO DISCUSS THIS MATTER ON OUR AGENDA TO INFORM OUR FELLOW HOMEOWNERS AS BEST AS WE COULD. WE HELD OUR MEETING OVER AT THE MAGNOLIA WEST CENTER, WHICH THE BACKEND OF THE PROPERTY THERE ALSO IS NEXT TO THIS PROPERTY THAT THEY PLAN ON BUILDING. AT OUR

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THE MISSUS WAS REALLY UPSET AND SAID SHE WAS GOING TO BED. I MISSED OUT ON SPINNING TIME WITH HER, BUT I DIGRESS. ONE OF THE ISSUES, AS WE GOT TO SIT AND LISTEN TO YOU FOLKS ADDRESS SOME OF THE ISSUES , IS THAT I HAD THE PRIVILEGE OF HAVING A HOME IN MAGNOLIA WEST AND I RECENTLY PURCHASED A HOME IN THE SPRINGS. DR HORTON WAS OUR BUILDER IN OUR STREETS IN WILLOW SPRINGS, AS YOU COME DOWN WILLOW SPRINGS ROAD INTO OUR ASSOCIATION, IS APPROXIMATELY 30 FEET WIDE.

WHAT THEY DID WAS, THEY STAGGERED ALL THE DRIVEWAYS AND THEY CREATED A SIDEWALK ON ONE SIDE. SO WHAT HAS HAPPENED IS, UNFORTUNATELY, AS WAS STATED BY THE BOARD PREVIOUS, PEOPLE ARE USING THEIR GARAGES AND STORAGE FACILITIES, AND NOT FOR THEIR VEHICLES. SOME OF OUR DRIVEWAYS ARE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE TWO VEHICLES AND THEN THEY ENCROACH UPON THE SIDEWALK. FOR THOSE HOMES, THEY ARE PARKING ON THE STREET. WITH THAT BEING SAID, THE COMMON WIDTH OF A VEHICLE IS APPROXIMATELY SEVEN FEET. I HAVE A 57 CHEVY AND A 59 CHEVY AND THEY ARE WIDER BUT YOU USE A 25 HUNDREDTHS CHEVY SILVERADO AND YOU ARE LOOKING AT 7 1/2 TO 8 FEET. UNFORTUNATELY, WHEN YOU HAVE TWO VEHICLES LINED UP ON WILLOW SPRINGS RIGHT NEXT TO EACH OTHER, THE AMOUNT OF SPACE IN BETWEEN THAT, JUST DOING SIMPLE MATH, IS ABOUT 10 TO MAYBE 16 FEET IN BETWEEN, IF YOU ARE LUCKY AND WE HAVE ALREADY HAD FIRST RESPONDERS THAT WE ARE NOT ABLE TO GET TO QUICKLY BACK ON ONE OF OUR SIDE STREETS, IF YOU WILL AND THE SCHOOL BUS -- I WILL MAKE IT REAL QUICK. I'M SORRY, MADAM CHAIR. THE SCHOOL BUS IS CONTACTING US AND SAYS THAT IF THE CARS ON THE STREET DON'T MOVE, THEY ARE GOING TO REFUSE SERVICES AS FAR AS COMING IN. I FEEL FOR THE HOMEOWNERS BECAUSE, UNFORTUNATELY, OUR HOMEOWNERS AND OUR ASSOCIATION ARE USING THAT ROAD TO CUT THROUGH AND MY HEART GOES OUT TO THEM. IF THIS COMMUNITY IS BUILT, THEY WILL HAVE TO ACCESS THEIR PROPERTY TO WILLOW SPRINGS ROAD IT , UNFORTUNATELY, WE HAVE STOP SIGNS IN OUR COMMUNITY AND PEOPLE ARE SPEEDING THROUGH THERE. WE ARE TRYING TO ADDRESS IT WITH THE PROGRAMS AND OTHER PROGRAMS. PLEASE TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION. THIS CAN BE TABLED JUST SO WE CAN HAVE MORE TIME TO GET THIS INFORMATION OUT TO THE REST OF THE HOMEOWNERS. WE APPRECIATE IT AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

SORRY ABOUT GOING OVER. >> THANK YOU. KATIE. YOU HAVE A PICTURE YOU WANT US TO LOOK AT. THANK YOU.

>> MY NAME IS KATIE AND I LIVE AT 1699 SHEDD ROAD. I HEAR THE BOARD MEMBERS ASKED QUESTIONS ABOUT HOW MORE PEOPLE ARE NOT INVOLVED IN THE MEETINGS. WHEN I HAVE ASKED FAMILY AND FRIENDS WHY THEY DON'T COME, MOST OF THEM SAY THAT THEIR VOICES ARE NOT HEARD AND WE HAVE ATTENDED AND WATCH MANY OF THE MEETINGS ONLINE AND MORE RECENTLY I HAVE WATCH AND SEE SOME VOICES HEARD AND I HOPE THAT HOURS GET A CHANCE TODAY. THE SHEDD ROAD REZONING IS NOT WANTED FOR THIS AREA BUT IT'S A RISK FOR OUR NEIGHBORS. IT IS LOCATED IN A WETLAND, ACCORDING TO THE NATIONAL WETLAND WEBSITE. YOU CAN SEE ON THEIR TOPOGRAPHIC OF MAPS THAT THEY PROVIDE YOU IN FIGURE 9, PAGE 12, THE FLOW OF THE WATER RUNS RIGHT THROUGH THE PROPOSED SITE. AS ALSO PROVIDED A PICTURE OF THE WEBSITE. WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THIS FEELS IN? DURING THE CONSTRUCTION OF WILLOW SPRINGS AND MAGNOLIA WEST, WE ADORED ISSUES THAT CONTINUED UNTIL THIS DAY. EVEN AFTER THE BUILDERS PROMISED TO FIX THE ISSUES AFTER PAYING INCREDIBLE AMOUNTS OF MONEY, MITIGATING THE WETLAND, PIPING AND ENGINEERING TO FIX THE WATER IS STILL THERE. HAD YOU EXPLAINED THAT A HOUSE THAT'S BEEN THERE SINCE 1957 NOT HAVING ANY ISSUES AND ALL OF A SUDDEN HAVING PROBLEMS WITH STANDING WATER IN OUR YARD. LIGHT POLLUTION FROM WILLOW SPRINGS IS STRESSFUL. WE NO LONGER CAN LOOK AT THE CONSOLATIONS THAT WE USED TO. OUR REAL LIFE IN

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>> THANK YOU. I HAVE A CARD FOR ASIA RUSSELL.

>> YES. >> HELLO. MY NAME IS ASIA RUSSELL MARCY'S. I LIVE AT 1699 SHEDD ROAD AND I AM HERE TO STAND FOR THE VOICES OF CLAY COUNTY'S KIDS IN RESIDENCE. I LISTEN AND WATCH COMMUNITY MEETINGS WITH MY PARENTS MOST OF THE TIME. WHILE I MAY BE YOUNG AT 13, THESE DECISIONS YOU MAKE HERE AND VOTE ON WILL PLAY A MAJOR FACTOR OF MY GENERATION'S FUTURE. I DO FEEL LIKE THE COUNTY IS DOING WHAT SEEMS TO BE THE TREND OF TODAY'S VOTING. I HAVE ALWAYS LIVED ON 2 TO 5 ACRES IN MY LIFE. IF THIS TREND OF BUILDING HOMES CONTINUE, THERE WILL NOT BE ANY MORE PROPERTIES LIKE THIS FOR ME AND PEOPLE LIKE MYSELF. I DO NOT WANT TO LIVE IN DEVELOPMENTS THAT DON'T GIVE OUR KIDS ROOM TO DISCOVER THE OUTDOOR -- THE OUTDOORS. I HOPE YOU TAKE THESE THOUGHTS

INTO CONSIDERATION. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. I HAVE A CARD FOR

BRIAN MARCY'S. >> HELLO. MY NAME IS RYAN AND I LIVE AT 6099 SHEDD ROAD. NEXT TO THE PROPOSED PUD PROPERTY. I THINK I SHARE THE INTEREST MOST OF THE PEOPLE HERE. THEY FILL THE CURRENT DIRECTION THE COUNTY IS GOING TO RUN? WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE COUNTY TAKE A STEP BACK AND ALLOWING THESE INVESTORS TO COME HERE FROM OUTSIDE THE COUNTY TO BUY IT PROPERTIES AND BUILD WHAT THEY THINK WE WANT.

WHEN IN REALITY, IT IS WHATEVER THEY CAN CRAM INSIDE THE ACREAGE TO MAKE THE MOST PROFIT. THEY DO NOT CARE WHAT RESULTS OR EFFECTS THEY WILL HAVE ON US ON SHEDD ROAD, WALL ROAD, RIVERS ROAD, BROWN ROAD AND WILL SPRINGS DRIVE. I WOULD WAGER THAT -- I WOULD WAGER TO BE 62 HOMES WILL MOST LIKELY INCUR 62 TO 120 MORE VEHICLES TO GET TO 315 ARE DOWN SHEDD ROAD AND MORE VEHICLE TRAFFIC IN THE WORST SHEDD ROAD WILL BE TO BECOME NOT TO MENTION THE SCHOOL BUSES, TRASH TRUCKS AND MORE CONSTRUCTION VEHICLES COMING THROUGH. WHERE YOU THINK THE SPEAKER VEHICLES ARE GOING TO GO THROUGH? WRITE DOWN SHEDD ROAD. HOW MUCH TRAFFIC DO YOU THINK THEY ARE GOING TO ALLOW TO CONTINUE TO GO THROUGH THEIR ARAB OPERATIONS AND LET THEIR WORKERS AND BUSINESS PATRONS BE AT RISK. THEY CAN BLOCK OFF THE ENTRANCE AND EXIT ENORCE TRAFFIC TO GO THROUGH WILLOW SPRINGS AND RIVERS ROAD, NOT TO MENTION THE POSSIBLE THE DOORS THAT WILL BE COMING THROUGH WILLOW SPRINGS AND SHEDD ROAD WHEN THE ROAD PROJECT HAS IT BLOCKED OFF TO MAKE THAT INTERSECTION. AND WE NEED TO CONSIDER WHAT REALLY BB-5 DOES TO OUR COUNTY, FROM WHAT WE ALLOW INVESTORS TO DO. I WAS THE ONLY RESIDENT TO GO THROUGH THE DRC MEETING TO GO THROUGH THIS PROPERTY AND HEARD AND SAW WHAT THEY WANT TO DO TO DEAL WITH WHAT WE LOVE ABOUT CLAY COUNTY AND OUR GREEN SPACES.

AND DON'T GET ME WRONG. I'M NOT A GREENPEACE AND I CAN LIVE

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>> HELLO. MY NAME IS SALLY AND I LIVE IN THE NEXT DEVELOPMENT IN WILLOW SPRINGS DRIVE 2054., TO VOICE MY CONCERNS FOR THE PROPOSAL OF THE REZONING OF 1679 SHEDD ROAD. MY CONCERN IS THE NUMBER OF CARS THAT WILL BE USING THE STREET I LIVE ON IN THE STREETS ARE ALREADY TOO SKINNY AND BEING AN OLDER PERSON, I KNOW I WILL PROBABLY NEED AN AMBULANCE AND I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE KIDS TOO AND I THINK THIS IS UNNECESSARY TRAFFIC GOING THROUGH THE STREET. SO MANY YOUNG FAMILIES WITH KIDS. I THINK THIS IS NOT A GOOD IDEA FOR THIS COUNTY.

THAT'S IT. >> THANK YOU.

>> GOOD EVENING, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. MY NAME IS TERRY.

I'M A FLEMING ISLAND RESIDENT. I'M A RETIRED ARMY OFFICER IN CLAY COUNTY RESIDENT. MY FAMILY AND I CHOSE CLAY COUNTY IS OUR NEW HOME TO FAVORITES AND AFTER A CAREER WORTH OF LIVING THROUGHOUT THIS COUNTRY. THIS IS THE FIRST TIME FOR ME TO EVER ATTEND A COUNTY MEETING WHERE I CAN USE MY VOICE TO DEFEND THE COUNTY. I GET TO FINALLY CALL THIS HOME. WHEN I FINALLY HEARD OF THE PROPOSED IDEA TO ADD YET ANOTHER DEVELOPMENT, CLEARLY IGNORING THE OBVIOUS TANGIBLE AND INTANGIBLE COSTS, I WAS FLOORED AND DECIDED ENOUGH WAS ENOUGH.

HONESTLY, I DIDN'T KNOW THERE WAS ALL THESE OTHER DEVELOPMENTS ALSO. THAT PROBABLY WOULD HAVE BEEN EVEN MORE OF A REASON. MOREOVER, WHEN INITIALLY CAUGHT MY ATTENTION WAS THE ADDITIONAL 40 ACRES ADJACENT TO THIS PROPERTY ON THE NORTHEAST PART THAT WAS RECENTLY PUT UP FOR SALE AS WELL. AFTER ASSISTING THE DETAILS OF THAT PROPERTY, IT WAS OBVIOUS THAT IS ALSO BEING SOLD TO FURTHER DEVELOP TWICE THE SIZE OF THE CURRENT PROPERTY WE ARE DISCUSSING TONIGHT. IF THE WRITING IS ON THE WALL, THE DEVELOPERS HAVE ZERO CONCERN FOR THE WELL-BEING OF THIS COUNTY AND THE RESIDENT. LET'S BE HONEST ALREADY. I DON'T THINK CLAY COUNTY RESIDENCE. I'M WILLING TO BET THAT YOU HAVE WITH YOUR LONGER THAN I HAVE. UNLESS YOU KEPT YOUR EYES CLOSE, YOU MUST HAVE SEEN WITH THIS COUNTY HAS BEGAN TO TRANSFORM INTO WITH THE IN THE SIZE OF HOUSING DEVELOPMENTS IF NOT, JUST TO QUICKLY POINT OUT. SUBPART F RESEARCHER. YOU DRIVE CARS.

ENOUGH SAID. THE TRAFFIC NIGHTMARE. I WAS IN BUMPER TO BUMPER TO TRY TO GET TO THIS MEETING ON TIME JUST OUT OF FLEMING ISLAND. LOCAL SERVICES ARE STRUGGLING TO MEET CURRENT DEMANDS IN THE SAFETY IS IT THE DIRECT RESULT AND THE POINTS THAT THE CHILDREN WERE MAKING, AS WELL AS THE ISSUES WITH SPACING IN THE ROADS. NOISE POLLUTION, LIGHT POLLUTION, WAS

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THERE WERE A COUPLE DEVELOPERS THAT WERE APPROVED AND WHATNOT AND PUSH THROUGH. I THINK YOU KNOW THE RIGHT ANSWER ON THIS ONE. IT DOES NOT PASS FOR COMMON SENSE. THANK YOU FOR

YOUR TIME. >> THANK YOU. THOMAS RUSSELL.

RUSSELL. CAN I BORROW YOUR POINTER FOR A SECOND? YOUR LASER? OKAY. WHICH BUTTON. NICE. OKAY. I WILL MAKE IT SHORT AND SWEET. I WANT TO BRING THIS UP AND MAKE IT AWARE. MAGNOLIA WEST, WHEN IT WAS BUILT ON THIS ADJACENT PROPERTY, THAT RIGHT THERE IS ABOUT A SEVEN ACRE POND THAT IS NOW OFFICIALLY ABOUT TWO FOOT ABOVE THE GROUND LEVEL OF MY HOME AND MY PROPERTY, WHICH IS RIGHT IN THIS AREA SOMEWHERE. ONCE THEY DID THAT AND REALIZED THAT DR HORTON HAD FOLLOWED IN MULTIPLE HANDS TO BUILD THAT MAGNOLIA WEST, THEY DIDN'T REALIZE THE ORDER TABLE WAS ABOUT 12 TO 18 INCHES OFF.

THAT'S HOW HIGH THEY RAISED THE GROUND LEVEL AND THE GROUND. TO COMBAT THE FACT THAT THAT POND WAS BUILT SO HIGH, THEY ENDED UP POURING A -- I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG THE FOOTAGE WAS, BUT IT WAS ABOUT A SIX FOOT CONCRETE WALL IN THE GROUND AND THEY PROGRESS ON TOP OF IT TO TRY AND FIX THE GROUND-LEVEL WATER TABLE THAT IS IN THE GROUND. THE SIDE EFFECT OF THAT IS, THEY COULD NOT CONTAIN THE WALL THAT THE WATER WAS HOLDING, SO THE WALL BROKE AND IT FLOODED MY ENTIRE YARD. I WOULD SAY ABOUT HALF OF IT. I HAVE TWO ACRES. IT WAS OVER MY KNEES DEEP. I'M A SHORT MAN, BUT YOU KNOW, THAT IS STILL PRETTY DEEP FOR WATER IN YOUR YARD THAT YOU WERE NOT EXPECTING. WHAT THEY ENDED UP DOING WITH THE WATER LEVEL WAS, THEY ADDED MORE PIPES TO DISPERSE THE WATER FLOW ACROSS, WITH A CALL, A SHEEN OR WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL FOR WORDING FOR THE WATER LEAVING THAT AREA. THEY ENDED UP ADDING ADDITIONAL 4 TO 5 PIPES TO EMPTY OUT THAT POND AND NOW THAT THEY ARE PROPOSING THIS DEVELOPMENT, THEY RAN SOME PIPE THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO UNDERNEATH ROBERTSON PROPERTY DOWN SHEDD ROAD AND ANYBODY WHO LIVES DOWN SHEDD ROAD, WHICH OUR COMPLAINT IS, THE ONLY THING WE DID WAS, DIFFERENT THE WATER DOWNSTREAM, SO ANYBODY WHO LIVES DOWN TOWARDS GARBER GOING DOWN SHEDD ROAD IS ONLY GETTING WORSE FLOODING AND YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE TO LIVE THERE TO KNOW. THAT WAS THE FOR THE PEOPLE TRAVEL DOWN AS KIDS. THAT WAS WHEN OF THE DIRT ROADS IN TOWN, BUT IT WENT FROM JUST BEING GRADED BY A GREATER TO DITCHES AND CULVERTS AND CUL-DE-SACS AND THAT WAS NEVER THERE BEFORE AND IT DID NOT HAPPEN UNTIL MAGNOLIA WEST WAS BUILT AND WILLOW SPRINGS WAS BUILT, SO I THINK THE CONCERN

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LONG NIGHT. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. I DO NOT HAVE -- WE HAVE ONE MORE? PLEASE COME FORWARD.

>> HI. I AM JANE HANSFORD. WE ARE HOMEOWNERS NEXT TO THE PROPOSED HOUSING DEVELOPMENT. I HAVE LIVED THERE FOR 65 YEARS.

WE DO NOT WANT TO BE COMPLETELY SURROUNDED BY DEVELOPMENTS WE LOVE SEEING DEER TURKEYS AND GOPHERS. WHEN MAGNOLIA WEST, HORTON DEVELOPMENT, I FEEL, ILLEGALLY CAME ON OUR PROPERTY AND MY STEPBROTHER, THOMAS RUSSELL'S PROPERTY, TO DRAIN EXCESS WATER FROM THE RETENTION POND AS A RESULT AND MR. RUSSELL'S PROPERTY WAS COMPLETELY FLOODED AND THE FLOW WAS SO LARGE THAT IT WASH AWAY MY SOUTHWEST CORNER OF MY TO AD THIS DAY, MAGNOLIA WEST STILL DRAINS RETENTION POND WATER THROUGHOUT OUR PROPERTIES TO THE WETLANDS, INCLUDING THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT SIDE. I FEEL LIKE THE CITY, COUNTY AND ENVIRONMENTAL AGENCY NEEDS TO TAKE OUR CONCERNS SERIOUSLY AS IF THE DEVELOPMENT COMES TO PASS IN THE WATER IS NOT ALLOWED TO FLOW OFF PROPERTIES. IT WILL BACK UP AND CAUSE MAJOR ISSUES. HOW CAN ONE DEVELOPMENT BE ALLOWED TO FLOOD THEIR EXCESS WATER THROUGH A PERSON'S PRIVATE PROPERTY WITHOUT CONSENT OF THE HOMEOWNER AND THEN ANOTHER DEVELOPMENT, NOT BE RESPONSIBLE FOR CONTINUING THE FLOW TO THE WETLANDS. AS WE WERE TOLD, IT WAS THE FLOW OF THE LAND AS THE LAND SLOPES MAKING IT A LONG LINE AREA. AS IT WAS SAID AT A RECENT MEETING, THAT THEY WOULD JUST END THE WETLANDS AND FILL IT IN FOR THE DEVELOPMENT. OUR PROPERTIES ARE NOW STAYING WETTER LONGER DUE TO ALL OF THE DEVELOPMENT IN OUR AREA. ALSO, I WAS TOLD TODAY , THREE OVERFLOW PIPES ARE DIRECTED INTO THE BACK HALF OF MY PROPERTY, WHICH I WAS NOT AWARE OF. SO THERE ARE FOUR WAYS OF WATER COMING THROUGH ONTO OUR PROPERTY. THAT WOULD BE CATASTROPHIC IF THAT WASN'T DEALT WITH AND WE WERE NOT TOLD THAT ALL OF THIS WATER WAS BEING DISPERSED ON THE BACK HALF OF OUR PROPERTY, WHICH WE CAN EVEN GET BACK THERE NOW BECAUSE THE WATER IS SO DEEP.

CAPTIONERS TRANSITIONING ]

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>> THANK YOU. ARE WE READY TO BRING IT BACK TO THE

COMMISSION? >> I REPRESENT THE OWNER. MY NAME IS TOMMY HAMMOND. AND THE OWNER ASKED ME TO MAKE A

FEW POINTS. >> WILL YOU PLEASE PULL THE

MICROPHONE UP CLOSER TO YOU. >> I'M VERY APPRECIATIVE OF THE FOLKS THAT LIVE OUT THERE. I HAVE BEEN A DEVELOPER MYSELF FOR 40 YEARS AND I USED TO DO THESE. I WOULD GO THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND KNOCK ON DOORS. IT TRY TO LET PEOPLE KNOW THAT WE ARE NOT BULLIES ARE TRYING TO COME IN TO BE A BULLY DEVELOPER OR PUSH THINGS THROUGH. I HEARD TONIGHT, THE 40 ACRES TO THE EAST OF THIS AREA HAS BEEN ON SALE FOR FIVE

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RIGHT NOW IT IS A DIRT ROAD. SO KIDS CAN WALK ON THE DIRT ROAD WITH NO SIDEWALK. THE MAIN THING I WANTED TO POINT OUT IS THAT WE DID GO TO LOWER DENSITY. ORIGINALLY WE WERE TALKING ABOUT SOME OF THE LOTS ANOTHER IS TWO. WE WILL WORK WITH THE NEIGHBORS AND DO EVERYTHING WE CAN AND I ASSURE THEM WE WILL NOT CAUSE PROBLEMS. THE WATER WILL BE TAKEN CARE OF AND WE REALLY WANT THIS -- WE WANT THIS TO BE A GOOD EXPERIENCE FOR EVERYBODY BUT IT IS AN INFIELD PROPERTY THAT MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS AND I WOULD ASK

THAT YOU APPROVE THIS. >> THANK YOU.

>> I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION FOR THE DEVELOPER, THE OWNER , WHOEVER WANTS TO ADDRESS THIS. YOU SAID WHEN YOU WERE A DEVELOPER YOU MET WITH THE LOCAL CITIZENS. HAVE YOU DONE

THAT? >> WE WOULD HAVE BUT THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR TWO YEARS AGO. AND WHEN WE STARTED IT, THERE WERE ISSUES THAT CAME UP WITH GIVING UTILITY AVAILABILITY OUT THERE SO THIS GOT PUT ON HOLD. HONESTLY, WE DID NOT ANTICIPATE THE OPPOSITION AT ALL. THERE WAS NO OPPOSITION COMMENTS MADE AT INFORMAL MEETINGS THAT WE HAD AND HAD I HAD IT TO DO OVER AGAIN, I WOULD HAVE WALKED THE NEIGHBORHOOD MYSELF AND I WOULD HAVE DONE THAT.

>> FOLKS, WE DON'T HAVE SPEAKING FROM THE MEMBERS. THIS IS OUR SPEAKER AND WE HAVE ALREADY HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT THAT SOMEBODY LEFT IN THEIR FACE. THAT SHOULD NOT HAVE HAPPENED. THAT DID NOT COME FROM US. WE ARE NOT HERE TO BULLY ANYBODY. I HEAR THOSE STORIES AND I AM A CIVIL ENGINEER AND A LICENSED PA MYSELF AND TO HEAR STORIES OF A MAJOR DEVELOPER OR BUILDER DOING THINGS THAT HAVE CAUSED FLOODING ISSUES AND THEY HAVE NO REGARD FOR THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE, THAT APPALLS ME AND I WOULD NOT TOLERATE IT .

>> IT SOUNDS LIKE IF YOU HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO MEET WITH

THEM YOU WOULD? >> YES.

>> IT MIGHT BE EARLY TO MAKE A MOTION BUT I WOULD RECOMMEND A CONTINUANCE OF THIS ITEM SO THAT YOU HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY.

LET ME MAKE MY COMMENTS WHILE I HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY. I HAVE NOT BEEN HERE AS LONG AS RALPH BUT I HAVE BEEN HERE FOR A WHILE AND I HAVE SEEN A LOT OF THESE THINGS COME THROUGH.

EVERYONE KNOWS, I AM A HOMEBUILDER AND I AM IN THE DEVELOPMENT INDUSTRY. I AM A PROGROWTH PERSON IF IT IS DONE PROPERLY. I AM SENSITIVE TO THE NEIGHBORS AND THE CONCERNS OF THE CITIZENS PARTICULARLY, AS YOU LOOK AT THIS MAP, IT'S

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SO, TO ME, JUST LOOKING AT THE MAP AND STUDYING IT, ON THE ONE HAND I WANT TO SAY YEAH BUT THERE IS THIS SPACE OF LAND THAT IS NOT YET DEVELOPED. THE OTHER THING I NOTICED IS IT LOOKS LIKE A 20 FOOT CHANGE IN ELEVATION.

>> IT IS 15. 20 FEET FROM THE WESTERN SIDE.

>> THAT IS A VERY SIGNIFICANT CHALLENGE. YOU KNOW THAT IS A DEVELOPER. IT IS HOLLOW WORDS TO THE CITIZENS WHEN YOU SAY THAT THERE ARE THE LAWS THAT REQUIRE WATER TO BE TREATED AND RETAINED ON THE PROPERTY. BUT THE LAW DOES NOT STOP THE WATER FROM PHYSICALLY LEAVING THE PROPERTY. THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I HAVE HEARD SOMEBODY BURYING A CONCRETE WALL UNDERGROUND THAT I CAN'T IMAGINE HOW THAT CAME TO BE. I AM CURIOUS TO KNOW IF THE COUNTY OR THE STAFF ARE READY TO ADDRESS THESE ISSUES. THOSE ARE MY CONCERNS.

>> I DON'T MEAN TO GIVE YOU HOLLOW WORDS THAT I CAN TELL YOU I HAVE NEVER HAD A SUBDIVISION BELT THAT CREATED A DRAINAGE PROBLEM ON ANYONE ELSE'S PROPERTY. RIGHT NOW

>> WE COULD IMPROVE THE SITUATION. THERE IS NO DOUBT.

>> THAT THEY HAVE NOT HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO HEAR THAT FROM YOU. THERE IS SKEPTICISM INTEREST ONLY BECAUSE THEY

DON'T KNOW YOU. >> I WILL PLEDGE TO MEET WITH THEM MYSELF AND HAVE A GET TOGETHER OR WHATEVER THEY WANT.

I WOULD STILL REQUEST THAT THEY APPROVE IT AND WE HAVE BEEN GOING ON FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS AS FAR AS THE UTILITIES GO AND THEN MAKE IT SUBJECT TO US. ON THE LEAVE IT UNTIL WE COME BACK

NEXT WEEK. >> SO IS IT OKAY WITH THE BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS IF WE COME BACK NEXT WEEK?

>> NEXT WEEK. >> DID YOU MAKE A MOTION?

>> I DID NOT. >> IS THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTION FROM THE COMMISSION?

>> I WILL JUST SHARE, MR. HAMON, I REALIZE THAT STORM WATER RETENTION IS NOT OUR PREVIEW AS COMMISSIONER GARRISON JUST SAID. I KNOW THE 40 ACRES THEY JUST REFERRED TO AND I HAVE BEEN BUY THIS AND THROUGH WILLOW SPRINGS AND I HAVE A CONCERN ABOUT THE WATER. IF THIS DOES GET PROPOSAL POSTPONED -- WHEN IT COMES BACK, I WOULD WANT TO BE ABLE TO TALK WITH THE CIVIL ENGINEER. I UNDERSTAND -- I HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF HOW THAT WATER IS GOING TO BE CAPTURED, TREATED, AND WHERE IT WILL POP OFF. NOT NECESSARILY PART OF OUR PURVIEW . I AM CONCERNED AND THE WETLANDS ARE THERE. I KNOW WHERE THIS IS THAT AND WHEN WE HAVE ANY STORMWATER EVENT THERE IS WATER RUNNING INTO THAT AREA.

>> IT IS A MAN-MADE DITCH. >> YES.

>> TYPICALLY I WOULD NOT HAVE A CONCERN BECAUSE THIS IS NOT WHAT WE NORMALLY DO BUT I KNOW THIS AREA.

>> THE RUNOFF IS DESIGNED IN THE DETENTION PONDS SO, THERE'S THAT AND THE CONSIDERATION OF THE ROOFTOPS THAT INCREASES THE AMOUNT OF RUNOFF IN A SHORT PERIOD OF

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GRADUATED WAY AND PIPING IS SIZED SO IT GOES FROM LARGE SIZE DOWN TO SMALL SIZE SO YOU CANNOT LET WATER DISCHARGE ANY FURTHER OFF THE SIDE. THAT IS THE WAY THEY DESIGNED IT. I

HEAR YOU AND I UNDERSTAND. >> I DON'T KNOW WHO THIS GENTLEMAN IS. ARE YOU WANTING TO SPEAK?

>> I AM ALEX WITH MATTHEWS --. I JUST WANTED TO GIVE A BRIEF SYNOPSIS OF THE DRAINAGE, OUR UNDERSTANDING OF IT AND OUR INTENT TO CAPTURE AND CONTROL IT. THE PROPERTY DOES SLOW FROM THE WEST TO THE EAST. AND ALSO FROM SOUTH TO THE NORTHEAST. THE DITCH RUNS STRAIGHT THROUGH THE PARK PROPERTY AND IT DISCHARGES INTO THE WETLANDS. GENERAL WILL OF THUMB IS, WHEN YOU START TO LAY IT OUT, 12% OF YOUR SITE NEEDS TO BE AVAILABLE FOR STORMWATER CAPACITY. WE HAVE, KNOWING THE ISSUES WITH DRAINAGE FROM THE WEST AND COMING ON, WE HAVE ALMOST 18% OF POND CAPACITY ON SITE SO WE CAN INCREASE THE CAPACITY TO ACCOUNT FOR ADDITIONAL RUNOFF COMING THROUGH THE SITE THAT WE NEED TO CAPTURE, CONTROL, AND MAINTAIN. SO THAT IS THE INTENT. WE ARE AWARE OF THE WATER COMING FROM THE WEST AND HOW IT NEEDS TO ROUTE AROUND AND WE ARE WELL AWARE OF THE -- AND TIES INTO THE DITCH.

AND IT CONTINUES TO THE EAST. ON THE EAST PROPERTY LINE.

>> QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? >> I THINK THERE ARE ISSUES WITH THIS. IT DOES APPEAR TO BE IN PHIL BUT NOT THE WAY I LOOK AT IT. EAST AND WEST OF THIS, THERE ARE LARGE PARCEL LOTS AND THIS IS RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE. THE FACT, IT TOUCHES SOME OTHER STUFF AND IT DOES NOT CHANGE THAT WE ARE LEAVING A LARGE CHUNK OF YELLOW HERE THAT IS DETACHED TO EVERYTHING ELSE. I'M SENSITIVE TO THAT BECAUSE I LIVE ON A LARGE LOT. AS THE APPLICANT POINTED OUT, MAYBE WE ONLY REQUIRE 24 FOOT STREETS. WE HAVE TO DEMAND THAT DEVELOPERS DO A BETTER JOB AND THAT MEANS, IF YOU HAVE TO PUT A WIDER STREET IN A, THAT IS WHAT YOU DO. I DON'T CARE IF IT IS ONLY A 10 FOOT SET BACK. THAT DRIVEWAY, THAT GARAGE DOOR NEEDS TO BE 25 FEET LONG. IF DEVELOPERS ARE SERIOUS ABOUT DOING WHAT THEY SAY THEY WANT TO DO, PROVIDED GOOD PRODUCT FOR PEOPLE, THESE ARE NOT THINGS THAT THEY SHOULD BE FALLING BACK AND SAYING WE ONLY REQUIRE THIS. WHEN YOU BUILD TO THE MINIMUM, THIS IS WHAT YOU GET. I THINK IT IS INADEQUATE PARKING AND I THINK THE SETBACK ON THE DRIVEWAY IS TOO SHORT. I THINK THE STREETS ARE TOO NARROW. THERE IS A BIG PROBLEM WITH WATER HERE AND WE HEAR THIS OVER AND OVER AGAIN FROM THE ENGINEERS THAT WENDY TO CAPTURE ALL OF THE WATER BUT THEN WHY DO WE KEEP HEARING FROM NEIGHBORS THAT THEIR PROPERTY IS FLOODING AFTER THESE DEVELOPMENTS GO IN. I WILL NOT SUPPORT THIS. I THINK THIS IS A BAD IDEA.

>> QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? >> 25 YEARS AGO WE DID NOT HAVE THIS PROBLEM WITH WATER OUT THERE. PART OF THE REASON WAS BECAUSE IT WAS A HEART HUGE PERK AREA AND THAT IS WHERE THE WATER COMES DOWN AND GOES RIGHT INTO -- AND THERE IS NO RUNOFF EXCEPT FOR A MINIMAL AMOUNT . IF YOU LOOK AT THE DEVELOPMENTS GOING AROUND THERE, EACH COMES IN AND IT HAS GOTTEN WORSE AND WORSE BECAUSE YOU ARE COVERING THE PARK AREA. IF WE KEEP DOING THIS IT IS ONLY GOING TO GET

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CAN'T SUPPORT THIS AT ALL. >> ARE WE READY FOR A MOTION? THE STAFF REPORT AND THAT WE DENY THIS APPLICATION.

>> I WOULD LIKE TO OFFER A COUNTER MOTION TO GIVE THE DEVELOPER THE CHANCE TO MEET WITH THE COMMUNITY.

>> HE SAID HE WANTED A DECISION TONIGHT.

>> I WITHDRAW MY MOTION. >> I DID NOT REALIZE THERE WAS A ONE-YEAR LIMIT. IT THAT IT TAKES A YEAR TO COME BACK.

WAITING ONE MONTH TO GET SOME ISSUES WORKED OUT IS A HECK OF

A LOT BETTER THAN ONE YEAR. >> IS THE APPLICANT AMENDABLE

TO THAT? >> I WITHDRAW MY MOTION.

>> I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO JANUARY TO GIVE THE CITIZENS OF THE COMMUNITY THE OPPORTUNITY TO MEET AND TO GIVE THE DEVELOPER THE OPPORTUNITY TO MAYBE, IT IS NOT OUR PURVIEW BUT WE NEED SOME REASSURANCE THAT THE COMMUNITY IS BEING RECOGNIZED FOR WHAT THEIR PROBLEMS ARE. IT'S LIKE AN ENGINEERING TRAIN WRECK AND MICHAEL KNOWS THE DIRT. WE

DRIVE AROUND IT ALL THE TIME. >> I SECOND THE MOTION.

>> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR CONTINUANCE. IS

THERE A SECOND? AS >> SO, WE ARE SEEING MORE AND MORE OF THIS THAT COMES LIKE THIS. WE HEAR ABOUT THE FLOODING AND IT IS AN ISSUE NOT JUST HERE BUT IN OTHER PLACES.

THE ONE THING I DON'T REALLY HEAR ANYBODY OTHER THAN RESIDENCE TALK ABOUT IS THE CONDITIONS OF THE ROADS FOR INGRESS AND EGRESS. OBVIOUSLY THIS IS A PROBLEM THERE. I HAVE YET TO HEAR A DEVELOPER GO TO THE COUNTY AND SAY, WE NEED TO GET PEOPLE IN AND OUT OF HERE AND THE ROAD MIGHT BE IN POOR CONDITION. WHAT CAN WE DO ABOUT THAT? I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR THAT EVEN ONE TIME AND WE DON'T. DEVELOPERS ARE PUTTING IT ON THE COUNTY TO SPEND COUNTY DOLLARS TO GIVE THEM THE RIGHT TO BUILD A PROJECT SIMILAR TO THIS. AND I AM NOT PICKING ON THIS PARTICULAR DEVELOPER, BUT JUST IN GENERAL.

I WOULD LOVE TO SEE US FIX THAT PROBLEM.

>> SO, COMMISSIONER ANZALONE, I WILL DISAGREE WITH YOU. THEY ARE IMPROVING THE ROAD, FROM THEIR PRESENTATION. THE ROAD FROM THIS PROPERTY OUT AND UP AND MAKE THAT TURN TO WILLOW

SPRINGS. >> SO WHAT ABOUT THE -- ROAD PART . IT THAT IS THE PART THAT IS BEING OVERUSED RIGHT NOW.

NOT JUST FROM THE SITE BUT THE OTHER SITES BEFORE. I'M NOT JUST SPEAKING ABOUT ONE DEVELOPER. I'M TALKING ABOUT IN GENERAL. AS WE ARE ALLOWING MULTIPLE DEVELOPERS DEVELOP THE PROPERTY, THE ROADS IN AND OUT ARE NOT UP TO THE STANDARDS THAT THEY NEED TO BE AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED AND NOT MAKE THE COUNTY RESPONSIBLE FOR THEM TO PROFIT AT THE EXPENSE OF THE COUNTY.

>> WITH EVER DEVELOPMENT PROJECT THAT COMES IN FRONT AND IS APPROVED, THE DEVELOPER HAS TO PAY IMPACT FEES AND THOSE ARE COLLECTED BY THE COUNTY SO I THINK THE DEVELOPER IS

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IS. >> THAT'S RIGHT . SOMETHING HAS

TO GET DONE ABOUT THAT. >> WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR. OTHER COMMENTS OR DISCUSSION BEFORE WE TAKE A

VOTE? >> WE ARE GOING TO CONTINUE THIS AND THE LIST OF OBJECTIONS THAT I HAVE IS NOT GOING TO CHANGE JUST BECAUSE OF MEETINGS WITH THE RESIDENTS.

THERE ARE FUNDAMENTAL CHANGES THAT NEED TO OCCUR.

>> ARE WE READY TO CALL THE QUESTION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF CONTINUANCE COPLEY SAY AYE.

>> AYE. >> OPPOSED, SAME SIGN. THIS WILL BE CARRIED OVER TO THE NEXT MEETING. AT THIS TIME WE

HAVE CONCLUDED -- >> FOR YOU GUYS, PROCEDURALLY, I JUST WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THIS HAS BEEN ADVERTISED, IT WILL STILL BE ON THE BOARD AGENDA FOR NEXT TUESDAY HOWEVER, THE BOARD CANNOT TAKE ACTION ON IT . THEY WILL HAVE TO CONTINUE IT TO JANUARY. WE WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC COMMENT THAT STAFF WILL PROBABLY NOT TO THEIR PRESENTATION AND THEN THE APPLICANT WON'T TO EITHER.

THEY WILL CALM AND SAY THEY REQUESTED THAT IT BE CONTINUED TO JANUARY SO THEY CANNOT TAKE ACTION. THEY WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING BUT YOU MIGHT WANT TO SAY THAT. WE WON'T KNOW UNTIL TUESDAY IF THEY CONTINUE IT TO THE FIRST JANUARY MEETING, WHICH IS JANUARY 9 OR JANUARY 23 . SO, THE BOARD WILL MAKE THAT DECISION ON IF THEY CONTINUE IT TO THE NINTH OR THE 23RD SO, PAY ATTENTION TO THAT PART OF IT. SO YOU DON'T ALL HAVE TO COME BACK BECAUSE THEY WILL NOT MAKE A

DECISION NEXT WEEK. >> SO, NO ACTION WILL BE

TAKEN. >> ON NEXT TUESDAY. CORRECT.

WE WILL HAVE TO CONTINUE IT TO A MEETING IN JANUARY. SO YOU WILL COME BACK HERE ON JANUARY 2 AND THEN YOU WILL HAVE ANOTHER MEETING ONE OF THOSE TWO DATES IN JANUARY BEFORE THE

BOARD. >> MAYBE WE COULD BE ITEM

NUMBER ONE? >> AT THIS TIME, IS THERE ANY OLD BUSINESS OR NEW BUSINESS WE NEED TO DEAL WITH? THE OLD BUSINESS OF THE NEW BUSINESS COMES FIRST.

>> I THOUGHT WE WERE GOING TO HEAR THE PRESENTATION BY BILL.

OLD BUSINESS AND NEW BUSINESS COMES BEFORE PUBLIC COMMENT. I DO HAVE ONE CARD FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. IS THERE ANY OLD BUSINESS OR NEW BUSINESS WE NEED TO HANDLE? IF YOU HAVE DISCUSSION, IF YOU COULD MOVE ON OUT INTO THE LOBBY SO WE CAN FINISH.. I WOULD APPRECIATE THAT.

>> YOU MAY STEP OUT INTO THE HALLWAY TO CONTINUE

CONVERSATIONS. >> SO, ANY OLD BUSINESS OR NEW BUSINESS AT THIS TIME? ALL RIGHT.

>> YOU SAID A SHORTER AGENDA IN A JANUARY? DOES THAT MEAN

ONLY EIGHT ITEMS? >> THIS IS SIX HOURS.

>> IS THIS NORMAL? >> NO. USUALLY TWO HOURS.

>> SO, AT THIS TIME, IF THERE IS NO OLD BUSINESS OR NEW

[Public Comment]

ARE YOU HERE? >> MY NAME IS KEN MOREAU. I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A COUPLE COMMENTS. ONE OF THE COMMISSIONERS MENTIONED ABOUT THE DECLINE IN NUMBER OF PERMITS. WHEN I FIRST MOVED HERE IN 2006 YOU COULD BUY A HOME FOR JUST UNDER $200,000. IT'S THE PRICE OF A HOME RIGHT NOW IT IS THE REASON YOU LOSE PERMITS. CLAY COUNTY HAS ONE OF THE HIGHEST RATES. YOU HAVE DEVAUL AND CLAY COUNTY. IF YOU BUILD HOMES THAT ARE AFFORDABLE, YOU WILL SEE AN

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>> I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR LISTENING AND CONTINUING THE MATTER REGARDING WILLOW SPRINGS. MY ASSOCIATION APPRECIATES IT. THANK YOU AND HAVE A GREAT NIGHT.

>> THANK YOU. YOU TOO. ANY OTHERS WISHING TO PARTICIPATE ? I AM GOING TO CLOSE THE

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.