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I WILL CALL THE CLAY COUNTY BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS MEETING TO
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ORDER FOR NOVEMBER 30 , 2023. THE FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS IS THE APPROVAL OF MINUTES FROM OUR LAST MEETING WHICH WAS OCTOBER 26TH OF 2023. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY CORRECTIONS? I HAVE ONE CORRECTION. UNDER THE APPROVAL OF MINUTES FROM THIS LAST WEEK, IS THAT IT WAS SECONDED BY BRIAN WHICH CARRIED 5-0 POINT NO, NO. BUT THERE WAS ONLY FOUR OF US HERE. ALL OF THE OTHER ONES YOU PROPERLY SAID 4-0 , BUT THAT WHEN THERE WAS FIVE INTIMACY WAS HERE, BUT WE KNEW HE WAS HERE. ANYBODY ELSE ? TWO I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND? OKAY, I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR SAYRIGHT NOW. OKAY . THE NEXT ITEM IS PUBLIC COMMENTS. I AM GOING TO OPEN THE FLOOR TO ANYBODY FROM THE PUBLIC IT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK . I SEE TWO PEOPLE IN THE AUDIENCE AND I
[1. Public Hearing to consider Application BOA 1023-0020; Variance to Section 3-13(b)(4) of the County Land Development Code.]
THINK THEY'RE BOTH ON OUR AGENDA. WITH THAT, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND BRING IT BACK TO US. THE NEXT ITEM WE HAVE IS BOA 1023-0020 . WITH THAT, I WILL TURN IT OVER TO -->> THE APPLICANT IS LOCATED -- PLOT OF LAND. THE REQUEST FOR A VARIANCE TO SECTION 3-13(B)(4) OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE TO ALLOW FOR THE PLACEMENT OF A 5000 SQUARE-FOOT ACCESSORY STRUCTURE IN THE AR ZONING DISTRICT . HERE IS AN AERIAL THAT SHOWS THE OUTLINE OF THE PARCEL IN QUESTION. JUST A LITTLE BACKGROUND . THE PARCEL IS LOT 1, BLOCK 170. THAT WAS RECORDED IN 1973 . EIGHT IS JUST OVER NINE ACRES IN SIZE .
IT IS IN THE AGRICULTURE RESIDENTIAL AR ZONING DISTRICT. THE AR ZONING DISTRICT DOES ALLOW FOR AGRICULTURAL ACCESSORY USES THAT ARE CUSTOMARY AND INCIDENTAL TO THE TWO RENTABLE AGRICULTURAL USES. THESE SHEDS ARE ALLOWED FOR THE STORAGE AND OF THE OWNER'S FARM EQUIPMENT ONLY, PROVIDED THE STRUCTURE DOES NOT EXCEED 3000 SQUARE FEET GROSS FLOOR AREA. THIS PARCEL IS PRESENTLY UNDEVELOPED, EXCEPT FOR THERE IS A CELL TOWER LOCATED IN THE NORTHWEST PORTION OF THE PARCEL. AS YOU ARE AWARE, THERE IS SIX CRITERIA TO JUDGE A VARIANCE . BRIEFLY, I WILL GO OVER EACH OF THOSE. STAFF SEES NO REAL SPECIAL CONDITIONS OR CIRCUMSTANCES ASSOCIATED WITH THIS PARCEL OR THE STRUCTURE INVOLVED. THAT ARE NOT APPLICABLE TO OTHER PARCELS AND STRUCTURAL'S IN THE AR ZONING DISTRICT. THE DESIRE FOR THE ACCESSORIES TRUCKER , WHICH IS 2000 SQUARE FEET, LARGER THAN ALLOWED IN THE ZONING DISTRICT. THAT IS A CHOICE BY THE APPLICANT. NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE ZONING DISTRICT. THE GRANTING OF THE VARIANCE WILL CONFER ON THE APPLICANT A SPECIAL PRIVILEGE THAT OTHER PROPERTY OWNERS IN THE AR ZONING DISTRICT ARE NOT ALLOWED BY THE PLACEMENT OF A 5000 SQUARE-FOOT ACCESSORY STRUCTURE.
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AS STATED IN THE APPLICATION, THERE IS NO , THERE WAS NO INTENT TO UTILIZE THE PARCEL FOR AGRICULTURAL USES. SO THE PURPOSE OF THE STORAGE DOES NOT REQUIRE STANDARDS AND PROVISIONS OF THE ZONING DISTRICT. THE LITTLE INTERPRETATION OF THE ORDINANCE WOULD NOT DEPRIVE THE APPLICANT'S OF RATES COVERING BY OTHER PROPERTY OWNERS.THOSE WITHIN THE AR ZONING DISTRICT ARE ALLOWED ACCESSORY STRUCTURES FOR FARM EQUIPMENT. AT A MAXIMUM OF 3000 SQUARE FEET. STAFF SEES NO UNDUE HARDSHIP PLACED ON THE APPLICANT FROM THE LITERAL INTERPRETATION OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. THE BENEFICIAL USE OF THE PROPERTY IS NOT AFFECTED BY GRANTING THE VARIANCE. OR DENYING THE VARIANCE . THE PROPERTY CAN BE UTILIZED FOR RESIDENTIAL USE AND AGRICULTURAL PURPOSES WHICH ARE SPECIFIC IN THE ZONING DISTRICT. THE GRANTING OF THE VARIANCE WILL NOT BE IN HARMONY THE GENERAL INTENT OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. THE AR ZONING DISTRICT IS THERE TO PROVIDE A TRANSITION BETWEEN AGRICULTURAL AND MORE URBAN AND RESIDENTIAL USES. AS STATED IN SECTION 313 OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE , THE AGRICULTURAL ACCESSORY USE IS TO THE PRINCIPAL AGRICULTURAL USES AND SHALL BE PERMITTED . DESIRED ACCESSORY STRUCTURES , AS STATED IN THE APPLICATION, IT IS NOT AN ACCESSORY TO THE PRINCIPAL, JENNY PRINCIPAL WITH AGRICULTURAL USES ON THIS SITE . IT IS 2000 SQUARE FEET LARGER THAN OTHER ACCESSORY STRUCTURES ALLOWED IN THE ZONING DISTRICT. THE APPLICANT HAS PROVIDED A WRITTEN RESPONSE. YOU WILL HAVE IT AT YOUR PLACE AND I AM SURE THEY WILL ADDRESS IT IN THE NEXT PRESENTATION.
STAFF FINDS THE REQUEST TO ALLOW FOR A PLACEMENT OF A 5000 SQUARE-FOOT ACCESSORY STRUCTURE ON THIS PARCEL IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. THE ATTEMPTED USE FOR A PRIVATE VEHICLE COLLECTION IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE ALLOWANCE FOR ACCESSORY STRUCTURES FOR ACCESSORY BUILDINGS IN THE AR ZONING DISTRICT . THOSE ARE INCIDENTAL TO AGRICULTURAL PURSUITS. THERE ARE NO SPECIAL CONDITIONS PRESENT IN NORMAL HARDSHIP HAS BEEN STATED IN THE APPLICATION MATERIAL TO SUPPORT THE REQUEST OF VARIANCE. STAFF RECOMMENDS DENIAL OF THE REQUESTED VARIANCE. DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF? NO
>> I WILL CALL UP THE APPLICANT OR HIS AGENT . PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
>> NAME IS MIKE -- MY NAME IS 12483 ALADDIN ROAD ,
JACKSONVILLE, FLORIDA. >> YOU SWEAR TO SAY THE
TRUTH, SO HELP YOU GOD? >> I DO.
>> PLEASE FEEL TO ASK IF YOU HAVE ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS BUT I WANT TO CLARIFY ONE THING ON THE APPLICATION. I'M AT FAULT IN HIM IS THAT HE DOES HAVE AGRICULTURAL PURSUITS INTENDED.
AS A MATTER OF FACT, IT'S VACANT FROM EARLIER THIS WEEK, HE'S INTENDING TO KEEP CATTLE OR LIVESTOCK ON THE PROPERTY.
THERE WOULD BE AN AGRICULTURAL PURPOSE TO THAT RESIDENCE .
HE IS BUILDING A 3200 SQUARE FOOT HOME ON THIS PROPERTY. IS ALREADY SUBMITTED BUILDING PERMIT ON A BELIEF RECEIVED INAUDIBLE ] IN PROCESS. IN PROCESS AT THIS TIME REVIEW UNDER PERMIT -- AS STATED IN THE STAFF REPORT, IS APPROXIMATELY -- AND ACCORDING TO THE ZONING CODE.
YOU KNOW THE LAND USE AND ZONING AND THIS BETTER THAN I DO. THE GENERAL INTENT BEING THIS IS A TRANSITIONAL AREA BETWEEN THE URBAN SERVICE AREA AND THE MORE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPED AREAS OR AGRICULTURAL AREAS TO THE SOUTH PRINT AND IS TYPICALLY CATEGORIZED BY SMALL FARMS WITH LOW INTENSITY USES. THE COMBINATION OF THIS LAND USE AND ZONING PERMIT SINGLE-FAMILY DWELLINGS AND THE CUSTOMER ACCESSORIES WITH A MEMBER AREA OF ABOUT FIVE ACRES FOR THE SITUATION. THE PARCEL IN QUESTION IS ALMOST TWICE THAT. UNLESS GREATER THAN ONLY ONE ACRE, PROPERTIES ARE PERMITTED FOR THE
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NONCOMMERCIAL KEEPING OF ANIMALS SUCH AS GOATS, SHEEP, SWINE, OR EVEN HORSES. THE CONEY LAND MOMENT CALLS INCLUDES THAT AGRICULTURAL BUILDINGS, PRESUMABLY FARMS FOR THE ANIMALS, -- AS WELL AS NOTED IN YOUR HAND OUT THERE, ITEM TWO , SHEDS . IF SUCH STRUCTURE DOES NOT EXCEED 3000 SQUARE FEET. SO PARCEL WITH AS LITTLE AS 1 1/2 ACRES COULD PRESUMABLY KEEP HORSES, CATTLE, EVEN SWINE, UNLIMITED IN SIZE FOR THE KEEPING OF THE ANIMALS, AND STILL HAVE A 3000 SQUARE-FOOT SHED AND FARM EQUIPMENT AS A MATTER OF RIGHT.THE ISSUE BECOMES THE PROPOSED STRUCTURE FOR MR. MULLIS. AS ZONING IS A GARAGE, BUT I THINK IN THIS CASE, IT IS INDICATED THE INTENT TO OR IN SOME FARM EQUIPMENT AND THE LIKE. THAT WOULD REQUIRE HIM TO HAVE THIS LARGER STRUCTURE , THIS LARGER GARAGE. AS FAR AS HIS CAR COLLECTION HE WOULD LIKE TO KEEP SAFE AND AWAY FROM THE HOUSE. I'M SURE HE HAS KIDS AND WHAT HAVE YOU THAT HE DOES NOT WANT IN CERTAIN AREAS AROUND CERTAIN THINGS. WHILE THIS SHOULD IS PER THE CODE, AND IS NORMALLY REQUIRED FOR THE FARM EQUIPMENT REPAIRS, -- TO THE SIZE AND ACCESSORY FOR THE LIVESTOCK IN THE CURRENT ZONING. TYPICALLY, FROM A ZONING PERSPECTIVE, BUILDING COVERAGES , BUILDING AREAS ARE RELATED TO THE SIZE OF THE PARCEL IN QUESTION. , A 3000 SQUARE-FOOT BUILDING ON A 1 1/2 ACRE PARCEL WOULD SEEM QUITE LARGE. IT WOULD BE APPROXIMATELY 14% OF THAT PARCEL. OBVIOUSLY, A FAIRLY LARGE BUILDING. HOWEVER, 5000 SQUARE-FOOT BUILDING OVER A LAND MASS OF ABOUT NINE ACRES IS ONLY ABOUT 1.2% OF THE PROPERTY IN QUESTION. FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF THE PUBLIC, THE BUILDING SIZE IS RELATIVE TO THE PARCEL AND A LARGER BUILDING ON A LARGER PARCEL IS NOT INTRUSIVE OR OTHERWISE INAPPROPRIATE BUT I'M NOT CERTAIN OF THE GENESIS OF THE -- OF THE COUNTY. IT WOULD SEEM AS I STATED EARLIER, BARNS FOR LIVESTOCK ARE NOT INTENDED -- TO THE REGULATIONS. I WANT TO NOTE, AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE SITE PLAN THAT IS ATTACHED TO THE PROPOSED 5000 SQUARE FOOT, IT IS HIGHLIGHTED IN THE SURVEY. THAT BUILDING WOULD SIGNIFICANTLY EXCEED ALL REQUIRED SETBACKS AND ALL ALERT DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS OF THE ORDINANCE CODE. IF I MAY, JUST BRIEFLY, GO THROUGH THEIR CRITERIA. I BELIEVE THE PARCEL DOES HAVE SPECIAL CONDITIONS IN THIS INSTANCE. IN THIS CASE, THE PERSON IS ALMOST TWICE THE SIZE OF THE REQUIRED PARCEL. WHILE THE PROPOSED BUILDING SIZE MAY BE INAPPROPRIATE AND EXCESSIVE ON A SMALLER PARCEL, IT IS IMPERCEPTIBLE TO THE PUBLIC ON A PARCEL OF THIS SIZE. 5000 SQUARE FEET THIS SPACE. THE SPECIAL CONDITIONS RELATED TO THE PARCEL AND QUESTIONS AND NOT THE ACTIONS OF THE APPLICANT.
AGAIN, THE PARCEL IS KIND OF IN AN ENCLAVE ATTACHED THERE WAS SIMILAR SIZE PARCELS HAVING NUMEROUS BUILDINGS IN CLOSE PROXIMITY. MY APOLOGIES. THANK YOU. AGAIN, THE PROPERTY OWNER IS SEEKING ONLY TO MAKE A REASONABLE USE OF HIS PROPERTY, ESPECIALLY CONSIDERING THE SIZE OF THE TRACT AND THE SIZE OF THE SURROUNDING BEING AGRICULTURAL.
OWNER CAN CLAIM THIS TO BE A BARN FOR FUTURE LIVESTOCK WHICH NOT APPEAR TO BE LIMITED IN SIZE. WE WANT TO MAKE VERY CLEAR HIS INTENT. THIS WOULD HOUSE HIS TRACTOR, HIS FARM INSTRUMENTS, AS WELL AS A PERSONAL CAR COLLECTION.
AGAIN, THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE SEEKS TO LIMIT ACCESSORY STRUCTURES AND BUILDINGS IN A GENERAL SENSE . SETBACKS, BUILDING AREAS , ARE TYPICALLY REGULATED AN EFFORT TO HER CIRCULATION OF LIGHT AND AIR AND TO MINIMIZE POTENTIAL FOR SPREAD OF FIRE. REGULATIONS CANNOT CONSIDER EVERY SCENARIO AND IT IS NOT THE INTENT OF THE CODE TO DENY THE OWNER REASONABLE USE OF HIS LAND.
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WE CONSIDER THAT QUITE NOMINAL. THAT WILL BE IN HARMONY WITH THE GENERAL INTENT AND PURPOSE OF THE ORDINANCE, SPECIFICALLY AS THE INTENT AS STATED EARLIER WAS NOT TO OVERTAKE THE PARCEL WITH BUILDINGS AND TO HAVE A NEGATIVE EFFECT UPON THE CIRCULATION OF LIGHTER AIR IN EITHER THE PROPERTY OR ADJACENT PROPERTIES . I AM HAPPY TO STANDBY FOR ANY QUESTIONS.THANK YOU. >> MIKE, I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS FOR YOU OR MR. MULLIS . I KNEW THAT . I'M SORRY. SO MR. MULLIS, SHE WOULD COME FORWARD. WOULD YOU BRING THE PROPERTY OR ANOTHER, YOU COULD MAYBE BETTER AND HER THIS. FIRST OFF, WHY DO YOU NEED A 16 BY 100 BUILDING , I MEAN, DO YOU COLLECT LOCOMOTIVES?
>> I COLLECT MOPARS FROM THE MID-SIXTH THESE AND THE 1970S.
I HAVE 11 OF THEM. 2400 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING. AND THEN I HAVE GOT FIVE OTHER CARS AT ANOTHER LOCATION OFF OF KALING WHERE I HAVE FIVE CARS THERE. AND I AM -- RIGHT NOW.
YES SIR, YES SIR. THAT IS MY HOBBY. I DO MY THING WITH MY DRYWALL COMPANY. THAT IS MY HOBBY. ME AND MY BUDDIES. THIS IS KIND OF A QUESTION TO STAFF. MR. MULLIS IS ALLOWED TO HAVE A 3000 SQUARE FOOT GARAGE. HE WANTS TO HAVE A 5000. IF HE BUILT A 3000 OR A 2999 HE WOULD NOT BE BEFORE US
>> IF HE CAME IN NEXT YEAR AND WANTED TO BUILD A 2999 --
>> CODE SPECIFICALLY STATES THE PURPOSE IS FOR THE STORAGE OF AGRICULTURAL EQUIPMENT AND THINGS THAT WOULD SUPPORT THE AGRICULTURAL PURSUITS ON THE SITE.
>> I UNDERSTAND. COURTNEY, WHY DO WE, I KNOW WHAT IS IN THE CODE. WHY IS IT OKAY TO HAVE THE GARAGE FOR TRACTORS AND NOT
FOR MOPARS ? >> I'M ASSUMING BECAUSE IT IS
ZONED AGRICULTURAL . >> THAT IS THE ASSUMPTION OF MYSELF AND STAFF. I DO NOT KNOW --
>> BUT IT'S ZONED FOR RESIDENTIAL. THE CARS ARE THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE.
SORRY. I'M JUST ASKING. I HAVE A FRIEND THAT COLLECTS JOHN DEERE. IF YOU WANTED HIS JOHN DEERES IN THERE, THAT WOULD BE OKAY AND THEY ARE WORTH MORE THAN THE MOPARS BUT IF HE WAS JUST BUILDING A 3000 SQUARE FOOT, HE WOULD NOT BE HERE. HE WOULD PUT WHATEVER HE WANTS TO ON THIS.
>> AS WAS STATED WITH AGRICULTURAL .
>> YES, AND IF HE CAME THAT NEXT YEAR, COULD HE PUT ANOTHER ONE BESIDE IT OR SOMEWHERE ON THE PROPERTY? A SEPARATE AND COMPLETELY SEPARATE ONE? THE CODE, IT SAYS --
>> YOU CAN PUT A 3000 NEXT DOOR WITH A 5000 SEPARATION .
>> FROM A STAFF STANDPOINT, WE WOULD LOOK AT IT CUMULATIVELY.
I AM NOT SURE THAT IS THE STAFF STANDS RIGHT NOW.
INAUDIBLE - OVERLAPPING SPEAKERS ] IT DOES NOT TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW? YEAH. I MEAN, I ASSUME YOU GUYS, A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL BOX SHOWN, THAT IS WHERE YOU ARE BUILDING?
>> YOU WANT THAT GARAGE RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOU .
>> YES, THERE IS A HUGE OAK TREE RIGHT THERE. SO THE HOUSE AND THE GARAGE ARE OFF TO THE RIGHT A LITTLE BIT OF THE PROPERTY. EVERYTHING IS OFF TO ONE SIDE. AS YOU CAN SEE. AND THEN IT IS NOT SHOWN ON HERE THE BIG HUGE OAK TREE. IT IS TRIMMED ALL UP AND IT WILL LOOK BEAUTIFUL. AND THE CROSS, THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE WILL FAKE -- PHASE -- LINK. -- IS 3200 .
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AND THE CROSS IS GOING TO BE ABOUT 100 FOOT AWAY TO THE FAR RIGHT , AS YOU CAN SEE WHERE THE DRIVEWAY IS DRAWN IN. I'M ASKING FOR WANTING TO MOVE IT FORWARD. I DO HAVE A JOHN DEERE TRACTOR, BY THE WAY.CONSTRUCTION JOB SITES EVERY NOW AND THEN. AGAIN, IT IS MAINLY BECAUSE I WANT ALL OF MY CARS IN ONE LOCATION.
>> I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. WHAT IS THE HEIGHT
OF THE BUILDING ? >> 16 FOOT. AND THE GARAGE WILL MATCH THE HOUSE. THE HOUSE IS GOING TO BE ALL HARDY BOARD. IT WILL BE ABOARD AND BATTEN. THE CROSS WILL BE ALL HARDY BOARD LAB CITED AND IT WILL ALL BE PAINTED THE SAME COLOR. THE SAME SHINGLES ON THE ROOF. IT WILL MATCH AND IT WILL LOOK SYMMETRICAL AS WE LIVE IN IT AND THIS IS OUR PERSONAL HOUSE FOR MY WIFE AND I.
>> WHAT WOULD BE THE SIZE OF JUST ACROSS FROM THE HOUSE THAT WOULD BE ALLOWED ON THE PROPERTY? NOT A SET FOR THAT,
RIGHT? >> AR DOES NOT HAVE ANY LOT COVERAGE. WE DO NOT HAVE A LOT COVERAGE. MOST OF OUR OTHER ZONING DISTRICTS , RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICTS, THERE IS NOT ANY LIMITS ON THAT CODE. SO IF HE IS NOT PUTTING FARM EQUIPMENT IN IT, IT CAN BE 50,000.
>> THAT IS NOT, OKAY, THAT ANSWERED IT. I HAVE ONE OTHER QUESTION. IF YOU WOULD LOOK ON THE CONDITIONAL USES.
THOSE THAT ARE SHOWN. I AM ASKING FOR SOME EDUCATION. I SEE A LOT OF CONDITIONAL USES HERE THAT, TO ME, THAT COULD BE A LOT MORE INTRUSIVE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD . IT WOULD HAVE A LOT MORE POTENTIAL TRAFFIC AND SO FORTH. ONE OF HIS CONDITIONAL, DOESN'T HAVE TO MEET SOMETHING ELSE? ARE THOSE ELSEWHERE IN THE CODE? THERE ARE CONDITIONS THAT HAVE TO BE MET IN ORDER TO UTILIZE ANY ONE OF THOSE, DEPENDING ON WHAT
THEY ARE. >> CHANCES ARE, SOME OF MANY OF
THEM COULD BE MAY BE ALLOWED. >> YEAH . THEY WOULD ALL BE ALLOWED IF YOU CAN MEET THE CONDITION FOR THAT USE. YEAH.
>> MIKE, I HAVE A QUESTION. WHY WOULD THE -- I THOUGHT I WAS IN AR AND THERE ARE LOTS OF LOTS THAT ARE ONE ACRE WITH MORE THAN 3000 SQUARE-FOOT HANGERS GOOD AM I MISTAKEN ON
MY OWN ZONING? >> MAYBE. I AM NOT SURE EXACTLY WHAT THE ZONING IS. FOR HOLLERED. BUT THERE ARE SOME SPECIAL CRITERIA FOR AIR PARKS , ALTHOUGH THAT ONE IS NOT SPECIFICALLY MENTIONED THAT IS THE ONLY AIRPARK WE HAVE.
>> YOU KNOW, THEY ARE WORKING -- I DO NOT THINK THERE WERE
DIFFERENCES . >> A LOT OF THAT, I BELIEVE, THAT WAS DEVELOPED AND SUBDIVIDED PRIOR TO A LOT OF THE PRESENT CODE.
THEY MAY HAVE BEEN BROUGHT IN BEFORE SOME OF THESE RESTRICTIONS WERE BROUGHT IN .
>> WHAT ARE THESE RESTRICTIONS PUT IN? I KNOW THERE ARE HANGERS MORE THAN 3000 SQUARE FEET WITHIN THE PAST FIVE OR
SIX YEARS. >> WELL, IT DEPENDS ON WHICH, I MEAN, IF WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THAT SPECIFIC ONE WHERE IT IS SPECIFICALLY DISCUSSING -- I BELIEVE IT WAS PROBABLY IN THE 1994-95 TIMEFRAME. I DO NOT KNOW EXACTLY.
>> THE VARIANCE PLAN? >> THOSE ARE WRITTEN IN 1994-95. REMEMBER WE SPECIFICALLY TALKED ABOUT -- AND SAID, OKAY, YOU HAVE BIG HANGERS. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT
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BUILDING A NEW ONE OUT THERE AT SOME TIME.IT IS STILL A BUILDING , BUT I DON'T THINK YOU EVER --
>> NO. AS FAR AS I KNOW, WE ARE AR . WE CAN GO GET A PERMIT TO BUILD A 5000 SQUARE-FOOT HANGAR NOW. BUT NOT THIS . THAT IS WHAT I DO NOT GET . UNLESS I AM WRONG WITH US BEING AR. IF MR. MULLIS , SO IF YOU HAVE THAT AS SIX 1 1/2 ACRE PARCELS, YOU HAVE SIX PEOPLE THAT HAVE 3000 SQUARE FEET AND HE IS TRYING TO BUILD FIVE. ACTUALLY, WE ARE BASICALLY EITHER AT ONE OR FIVE. AIRPARK LOOP WEST. YEAH.
YES, MIKE SHOULD'VE COME IN AND DONE A WALKABOUT ABOUT A YEAR AGO SO HE COULD BUILD. I AM NOT GOING TO TELL YOU YOUR BUSINESS.
>> DO YOU KNOW WHAT A MOPAR IS ?
>> IT IS A DODGE >> HE SAID I HAVE MOPARS. I KNOW YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT MOPAR IS . OKAY, I TELL YOU THAT I STAND CORRECTED. MY DAUGHTERS WOULD HAVE NO IDEA WHAT A MOPAR IS . I HAD SHELBY MUSTANGS SO I HAD FORD PRODUCTS. YOU KNOW? OKAY. I TURNED DOWN A $5000 DAYTONA. GOLD. FACTORY GOLD CAR. THAT WAS ABOUT 30 YEARS AGO.
>> I HAD A 1958 OPEL. >> OH, YOU HAD? OH, I THOUGHT
YOU STILL DID. >> IN THE DAY. WITH A SQUEEZE HORN ON THE SIDE.
>> THAT WOULD MAKE SENSE. I AM NOT EXACTLY SURE.
>> IS THIS FOR RESIDENTIAL ALSO? YEAH. THE SAME THING.
I DIGRESS >> I KNOW. I'M STILL TRYING TO , YOU KNOW, FIGURE OUT WHY WE SEGREGATED FARM EQUIPMENT FROM CATTLE STORAGE , I DON'T KNOW. I DO NOT KNOW. I APOLOGIZE BECAUSE I WAS ON THE COMMITTEE. WELL, I DO NOT KNOW WHY WE DID IT THAT WAY.
MR. MULLIS, JUST TO YOUR NORTH, THERE APPEARS TO BE A HOUSE RIGHT THERE. FROM YOUR BIG OAK TREE. THEY HAVE LIKE A BARN.
I'M LOOKING AT THE AERIAL WITH THE LITTLE RED LINE ON IT. ANY IDEA HOW BIG THAT IS? HOW BIG THAT BIG BARN IS MARKED
>> THEY ARE GETTING READY TO HAVE THAT TORN DOWN. IT IS KIND OF DILAPIDATED. I DO NOT KNOW THE SQUARE-FOOT RIGHT OFF HAND.
THAT HOUSE , WHERE THEY GO ALL THE WAY BACK AND ALL THE WAY DOWN THE WHOLE BACKSIDE OF OUR PROPERTY ON THE NORTH SIDE IS
>> A FINAL CUT SEPARATION FROM YOUR ADJACENT PROPERTIES. I KNOW YOU ARE PROPOSING IT TO BE 70 FEET OFF YOUR CLOSEST PROPERTY LINE. I WAS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT SIZE .
>> -- AND ALL OF THAT STUFF TOO. THEIR PROPERTY AS WELL.
ONCE WE ACTUALLY GET MOVED INTO THE PROPERTY -- YES. A LITTLE
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BIT. I AM GOOD WITH THAT.>> OKAY. THANK YOU, SIR. OKAY, SO NOW FOR THE COUNTY ATTORNEY DIRECTION, I WILL OPEN THIS FOR ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC .
SHE CANNOT SEE BEHIND HER. THERE IS NO PUBLIC HERE. A CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING AND COME BACK. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF , MIKE, OR CONSULTANT MIKE OR MR. MULLIS, THE LANDOWNER? OR CONVERSATION AMONGST OURSELVES ABOUT MOPARS OR WHATEVER.
>> MY OPINION. READING THROUGH OUR LISTENING TO THE COMMENTS HERE ON THE LAST PAGE , I THINK HE DID A GOOD JOB.
THE FACT, YOU KNOW, I THINK SEVERAL THINGS MAKE IT A GOOD IDEA TO APPROVE THIS. THE SIZE OF THE PARCEL , THE FACT HE IS NOT BUILDING A TALL. 16 FEET, IT IS GOING TO BE AS WIDE AS -- HE WILL MAKE IT LOOK LIKE THE HOUSE. IT WILL NOT INTERFERE WITH THE OTHER NEIGHBORS. IT WOULD BE LESS INTRUSIVE, IT IS MUCH LESS INTRUSIVE THAN A LOT OF THE OTHER USES THAT COULD BE DONE.
ON THAT PROPERTY. IT IS GOING TO HAVE LESS, NO -- REALLY TO IT. FOR THIS USE, OTHER THAN IF HE WANTS TO HAVE A GUEST.
WELL, IT IS HIS HOUSE. SAID, I WOULD MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE BOA 1023-0020.
>> I WILL SECOND. >> OKAY. I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE BOA 1023-0020 . ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE AYE .
>> AYE . >> ALL OPPOSED? CONGRATULATIONS . YOU PASSED 4-0 . DURING THAT , BRIAN CAME IN SO WE HAVE FOUR. GOOD LUCK TO YOU. I MIGHT STOP BY AND SEE IT. I AM FOLKSY. OKAY . I AM DOWN TO ONE CORVETTE NOTE. I HAVE CUT BACK. OKAY. GOOD LUCK TO YOU. OKAY. I KNOW WE HAVE ANOTHER PUBLIC COMMENT AND THEN WE HAVE TO TALK A LITTLE BIT. WILL OPEN THE SECOND PUBLIC COMMENT TO THE VAST, YEAH, NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE HERE LEFT BUT I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENTS.
LAST MONTH, WE HAD TWO NEW MEMBERS. ONE OF OUR TWO NEW MEMBERS IS HERE THIS MONTH, THANK GOODNESS. THE GENTLEMAN WHO WAS VICE CHAIRMAN OF THIS COMMITTEE IS THE ONE WHO RESIGNED. AND SO WE NEED TO AT LEAST APPOINT A VICE CHAIRMAN . LAST MONTH, I SAID, WELL, WE ONLY HAD FOUR . LET'S KICK THE CAN DOWN THIS MONTH BECAUSE WE THOUGHT WE WOULD ONLY HAVE FIVE. BRANDON IS NOT HERE SO WE ARE HAVING FOUR AGAIN, IT IS JUST A DIFFERENT FOUR. WE DO NOT HAVE TO PICK A VICE CHAIRMAN. IT MAKES IT EASIER ON STAFF BECAUSE IF I AM NOT ABLE TO ATTEND THE MEETINGS, THEY JUST PASS THE GAVEL TO ONE SIDE OR THE OTHER. IF Y'ALL WANT TO PICK A VICE CHAIRMAN TONIGHT, IT IS LEGAL. THAT WOULD BE FINE. IF YOU DO NOT WANT TO, THAT IS ALSO LEGAL AND FINE. I WANTED TO AT LEAST LET Y'ALL KNOW THAT BECAUSE KELLY TODAY SAID, YOU HAVE GOT TO PICK A VICE CHAIR. OH, AND FOR THAT MATTER, Y'ALL CAN PICK A NEW CHAIRMAN. YOU CAN PICK SOMEBODY ELSE'S CHAIRMAN AND SOMEBODY ELSE IS BY CHAIRMAN. YOU DO NOT HAVE TO KEEP ME AS CHAIRMAN. IT IS REALLY GOOD MONEY. SO DOES ANYBODY WANT TO VOLUNTEER? DOES ANYBODY WANT TO STEP UP? DOES ANYBODY WANT TO PICK BRANDON SINCE HE IS NOT HERE?
>> I WOULD NOT DO THAT. >> I KNOW. I KNOW.
>> I WOULD VOLUNTEER . I'VE BEEN HERE GOING ON THREE YEARS
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>> I HAVE LEARNED THE PROCESS . I DO NOT WANT TO BE CHAIRMAN, BUT I WOULD BE GLAD TO BE THE GUY IN CASE --
>> IN CASE I CANNOT FULFILL MY DUTIES AS BEAUTY QUEEN OR
WHATEVER. >> AND WILL COMMENCE SOMEBODY
ELSE. >> YOU WANT TO VOLUNTEER?
>> I WOULD DO IT IF ASKED. >> I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH YOU . I THINK YOU HAVE BEEN HERE A LITTLE BIT LONGER THAN ME.
>> YEAH, EXACTLY. THE OTHER OLD BOYS HAVE DIED OR LEFT OR WHATEVER, EXCEPT FOR ME. OKAY, CAN YOU RECOMMEND HIMSELF?
>> YEAH. HE CAN NOMINATE HIMSELF. SOMEBODY MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THAT NOMINATION.
>> I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE TOM AS OUR VICE CHAIRMAN. IS
THERE A SECOND? >> I WILL SECOND.
>> ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE AYE. >> AYE.
>> WE NOW HAVE A CHAIRMAN AND A VICE. OKAY. I WAS TOLD TODAY WE HAVE A MEETING IN DECEMBER. CHRISTMAS EVE AT 7:00.
>> THERE ARE TWO APPLICATIONS FOR THE DECEMBER 28TH
>> I WILL NOT BE HERE. >> I KNOW THAT. YOU'RE NOT GOING -- YOU TELL ME EARLIER YOU ARE NOT GOING TO BE HERE
THE WEEK AFTER CHRISTMAS. >> I DID TEXT -- TO MAKE SURE HE WAS OKAY. HE SAID HE HAD A CONFERENCE AND PROBABLY WOULD NOT MAKE IT BACK IN TIME TO BE AT THIS MEETING. HE SAID HE DOES AGREE WITH THE 28TH MEETING.
>> I AM NOT SURE YET. I WOULD LIKE TO BE DONE BUT --
>> I AM JUST HERE. I HAVE NO LIFE. I DO NOT TRAVEL LIKE YOU
GUYS. >> I CAN WATCH THE MEETING
INAUDIBLE ] >> WELL, YOU TAKE WHAT WE DO AND MAKE IT LOOK GOOD. AND IF COURTNEY IS NOT HERE, I CAN JUST FILL IN AND MAKE IT WITH LEGAL BLESSINGS.
>> TO HAVE ENOUGH TO DO IT? >> WE HAVE THREE.
SPEAKERS ] >> I WILL BE HERE , TIME WILL BE HERE -- THERE ARE AT LEAST THREE .
>> YOU ARE COMMITTED. >> I'M NOT GOING OUT OF TIME .
AGO. >> THE OTHER OPTION WOULD BE
>> I AM HERE EITHER ONE. >> I AM HERE FOR BOTH. YOU KNOW? I PLAY SANTA ON CHRISTMAS DAY. I GO HOUSE TO
HOUSE. >> I AM HERE AT THE PLEASURE OF THE COMMITTEE. I WILL BE HERE ON THE 20TH. THE 20TH.
>> WELL, YOU ARE MISSING YOUR WIFE'S BIRTHDAY DINNER TONIGHT
>> I'M TRYING TO KEEP, WE NEED --
>> WE ARE STAYING IN TOWN CHRISTMAS.
>> I'M GOOD WITH THE 21ST OR THE 28TH.
>> BRANDON SAID TO DO THE 28TH.
>> OKAY, LET'S SAY THE 28TH. >> WE WILL SCHEDULE TIME.
>> OKAY, YEAH. A QUESTION THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT BUT I HAVE TRIED TO DOWNLOAD THE AGENDA TODAY. I KEPT GETTING THE WHATEVER YOU CALL IT. THE COMMISSION MEETING. 255 -- AND I TEXTED KELLY. SHE EMAILED IT TO ME, BUT SHE SAID
SHE DID IT OKAY. >> I DOWNLOADED MY TODAY. ABOUT 1:00 I DOWNLOADED AND PRINTED. IT DOWNLOADED FINE.
>> I DON'T KNOW. I DID IT TWICE AND BOTH TIMES, 255 MEGS. 1500
>> NO, NO. >> SPEAKERS ]
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