Nov 07, 2023 Planning Commission

[Call to Order]

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SOMETHING NOW CALLED TO ORDER AND COMMISSIONER MIKE BOURRE WILL LEAD US IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.

I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS.

ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND

JUSTICE FOR ALL. >>CHAIR BRIDGMAN: WELCOME TO THE CLAY COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING OF NOVEMBER 7, 2023.

WE HAVE, OF COURSE, CALLED THE MEETING TO ORDER.

MY NAME IS MARY BRIDGMAN, I AM CHAIR CHAIR OF THE CLAY COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION. CHRISTINE BLANCHETTE, RECORDING SECRETARY FROM THE CLERK'S OFFICE.

THANK YOU, CHRISTINE. HE HAD HE HAD, DIRECTOR OF PLANNING AND ZONING. LET'S SEE.

MIKE BROWN, OUR ZONING CHIEF. AND I THINK I SAW BETH CARRSON, OUR DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF PLAN AND ZONING.

DOTY SELIG, CHIEF PLANNER AND OUR COUNTY ATTORNEY, GRIM AND JAMIE HOFDA, OUR ASSISTANT COUNTY ATTORNEY.

IS THERE ANY OTHER COUNTY OFFICIAL THAT I NEED TO INTRODUCE? AND LATER ON, DEPUTY AL LEONARD AND JONATHAN JONES WILL BE PROVIDING SECURITY.

SO THEY WILL BE HERE SHORTLY, I AM SURE.

AND WE THANK THEM FOR DOING THAT.

SO ANYBODY ELSE I NEED TO INTRODUCE? IF NOT, I WOULD LIKE TO INTRODUCE MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS. TO MY LEFT, BILL GARRISON, MIKE BOURRE, PETE DAVIS. OUR VICE-CHAIR BO NORTON AND RALPH PUCKHABER. AND WE ARE AN ADVISORY BOARD TO THE CLAY COUNTY BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS.

MOST ARE RECOMMENDATION TOTS BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS OR THE BCC. THE BCC WILL HAVE THE FINAL SAY AT THEIR 3450E9S EITHER NOVEMBER 14, WHICH IS SECOND TUESDAY OF THE MONTH OR NOVEMBER 28, WHICH IS THE FOURTH TUESDAY.

THE ZONING PORTION OF THE BCC IS HELD DURING THE REGULAR MEETING.

AND WHICH STARTS AT 4 P.M. AND PLANNING AND ZONING ITEMS ARE A TIME CERTAIN AT 5 P.M. SO PLEASE CHECK THE BCC AGENDA FOR THESE ITEMS. NOW IF THERE IS AN ITEM ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA THAT YOU WISH TO SPEAK ABOUT, PLEASE FILL OUT ONE OF THE COMMENT CARDS WHICH YOU CAN FIND IN THE VESTIBULE OUTSIDE AND GIVE IT TO MISS BLANCHETTE.

AT THIS TIME QUESTION THAT YOU PUT YOUR CELL PHONES ON SILENT OR VIBRATE. IF YOU NEED TO TAKE A CALL DURING THE MEETING PLEASE STEP OUTSIDE.

[1.  Approval of Minutes]

THE FIRST ITEM ON OUR AGENDA THIS EVENING IS APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES OF OCTOBER 3 MEETING OF THE PLANNING COMMISSIN.

DO I HEAR A MOTION? >> SO MOVED.

>>CHAIR BRIDGMAN: WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

ANY DISCUSSION? FLAVOR FAVOR.

[Public Comment]

MOTION CARRIES. THE NEXT ITEM IS THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD. ANYONE ON THE PUBLIC MAY COMMENT ON EYE THAT ARE NOT INCLUDED IN TONIGHT'S AGENDA BUT PERTINENT TO THE HIS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

AND WHEN -- AND THOSE WHO COMMENT WILL HAVE THREE MINUTES TO COMMENT. THERE ARE LIGHTS ON THE PODIUM THAT INDICATE -- WILL TURN RED WHEN YOUR THREE MINUTES ARE UP.

NOW I HAVE TWO CARDS FOR PUBLIC COMMENT, ONE FROM KAY MANLEY AND 2001 FROM WILLIAM NELSON WHO ALSO MENTIONS ITEMS 5.

IS THAT JUST FOR ITEM 5? OKAY.

WE WILL SAVE THAT FOR LATER. SO -- SO IF KAY MANLEY IS PRESENT, PLEASE COME FORWARD AND MAKE YOUR COMMENTS AND IDENTIFY YOURSELF BY NAME AND ADDRESS BEFORE YOU SPEAK.

THANK YOU. >> MY NAME IS KAY MANLEY.

I LIVE IN LAKE ASBURY. 420 ASHLEY ROAD.

I WANT TO KNOW ISSUES TONIGHT. MO WROTE THE CODE THAT TWISTED THE DREAMS OF THE PEOPLE THAT HELPED CREATE THE LAKE ASBURY MASTER PLAN. WE SAID WE WANTED GREEN SPACES.

WE SAID WE WANTED WILDLIFE TRAILS.

WE THOUGHT THAT THE AREA WAS TO MAINTAIN -- THAT YOU WERE TO

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WE WERE RICH WITH COUNTY, WITH DAIRY FARMS, WITH CATTLE FARMS. WE WERE LARGE RESIDENTIAL LOTS. WHEN YOU DEFINE THREE PER ACRE THAT IS A 50-FOOT-WIDE LOT LINE. WHEN YOU SNEEZE, YOU CAN HEAR YOUR NEIGHBOR. THAT IS WHAT IS GOING IN TO OUR CLAY COUNTY. MO WROTE THE POLICY THAT ALLOWED A DEVELOPER TO GO ROGUE WHEN FACED WITH REVISION DEMANDS FROM THE COUNTY TO JUST SAY, I'LL HAVE TWO DEVELOPMENTS AND I WILL PUT THE NUMBER OF HOMES UNDER 100, MEANING I DON'T HAVE TO CHECK WITH THE COUNTY AT ALL. WHO WROTE THAT CODE? WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT? WHO WROTE THE CODE THAT WHEN THE CITIZENS STEPPED UP, THEIR PERSONAL TIME TO BE ON THE LAKE ASBURY MASTER PLAN AND CREATE A CITIZENS ADVISORY COUNCIL ALLOWED A DEVELOPER TO BYPASS THEM COMPLETELY.

MO WROTE A CODE THAT ALLOW A MR. TO PLACE HIS NEEDS AND DEMANDS ABOVE THE EXISTING NEIGHBORHOOD AND DEVALUE AND DESTROY WHAT WE HAVE ALREADY BELT. OUR EXISTING HOMES.

OUR EX-I.T.ING VOTERS. OUR EXISTING CITIZENS.

WHO CHECKS ON THESE ROGUE DEVELOPERS THAT THE CITIZENS BEING ADVERSELY EFFECTED -- AFFECTED.

AND WHEN WE CALL OUR COUNTY LEADERS, YOU JUST SAY, IT IS WITHIN THE CODE. MO WROUGHTY THAT CODE? WHEN -- WHEN IS THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT, THE ZONING DEPARTMENT, WHEN ARE OUR COUNTY LEADERS THAT ARE BUILDING ALL OF THIS GOING TO GET THE BACKBONE AND SAY, ENOUGH IS ENOUGH AND FIX THIS CODE. DO YOUR DUE DILIGENCE AND SUPPORT THE PEOPLE WHO VOTE AND NOT THE DEVELOPERS.

WHO CARES ABOUT OUR FUTURE BUT US? I JUST DROVE DOWN SAND RIDGE TODAY.

THERE IS A HUGE STAND OF OAK TREES LAYING ON THE GROUND.

THESE ARE BIG OAK LIKE THIS BIG AROUND.

THEY ARE ON THE GROUND NOW. THEY ARE HE IS DESTROYING EVERYTHING IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. THEY ARE REMOVING TREES.

THEY ARE RUNNING OFF THE WILDLIFE.

THERE ARE ABSOLUTELY NOT BEING GOOD NEIGHBORS.

THEY ARE NOT. THIS BASS NOT WHAT WE WANTED WHEN WE VOTED THEY THE LAKE NO. AFSHGZ SBURY MASTER PLAN.

WE WANT WHAT WE DESIGNED, DREAMED AND SHARED IN THOSE MEETINGS. THE FUTURE OF OUR COUNTY IS IN YOUR HANDS. FIX IT.

THANK YOU. >>CHAIR BRIDGMAN: THANK YOU.

AT THIS TIME, ANYONE ELSE WHO WANTED TO SPEAK DURING THE OPEN PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD? NOT YOU ARE TAKE TO A SPECIFIC ITEM. SEEING NO ONE, I AM GOING TO

CLOSE THE -- OH, I AM SORRY. >> WE DIDN'T HAND OUR CARDS IN YET WHEELCHAIR CHAIR YOU CAN DO THAT LATER.

STATE YOUR NAME, ADDRESS AND YOU WILL HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK OF SOMETHING THAT IS PERTINENT TO OUR BUSINESS BUT NOT TOO WHAT

IS ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT. >> RIGHT, I AM JUST TALKING IN GENERAL. JUST KIND OF LIKE THAT WOMAN.

>>CHAIR BRIDGMAN: THAT'S WHAT THIS IS FOR.

LIVING HERE FOR THE LAST TWO AND A HALF YEARS --

>>CHAIR BRIDGMAN: YOU NEED TO SAY WHO YOU ARE.

>> MICHAEL LENO, PRIMROSE AVENUE.

I HAVE LIVED IN MIDDLEBURGH AND ORANGE PARK BEFORE THAT.

AND I WANTED TO FIND A PLACE WITH SOME QUIET AND WITH SOME PROPERTY. AND YOU KNOW, THE ABILITY TO MAKE IT WHAT YOU WANT TO. AND YOU KNOW MIDDLEBURGH WAS VERY, VERY ATTRACTIVE SINCE WE MOVED TO -- BY THE ALLIGATOR BOULEVARD AND THE NEW CIRCLE K UP THERE, FROM A SEVEN-MINUTE DRIVE TO GET TO THE WALMART HAS GONE TO A 12-MINUTE DRIVE FOR THE NUMBER OF TRAFFIC LIGHTS. ONCE 23 BECOMES THE FIRST COAST HIGHWAY BECOMES AVAILABLE AND ACCESS ST. AUGUSTINE FOR JOBS.

I DROVE AROUND FOR AREAS I WASN'T FAMILIAR WITH AND SAW CONDOS GOING UP IN THE BACK WOODS LIKE CRAZY.

I DON'T HAVE ANY KIDS AT SCHOOL HERE.

BUT WHERE ARE THEY GOING TO GO? WHERE -- WHAT KIND OF PARKS DO WE HAVE OUTSIDE OF DRIVING ALL THE WAY TO THE CLAY COUNTY FAIRGROUNDS. THIS -- THIS AREA AND IN BETWEEN WE ARE DOWN THE SGLAKS BEE'S AREA.

THE OLD MIDDLEBURGH THAT IS KIND OF ON ITS WAY OF REDEVELOPMENT.

WE HAVE A RARE OPPORTUNITY, I BELIEVE, TO -- TO MAKE MIDDLEBURGH REMARKABLE. THAT COMES IN WITH THE OVERALL PLAN WHICH I HAVEN'T HAD THE FORTUNE TO LOOK OVER.

I WOULD JUST LIKE EVERYONE TO KIND OF KEEP THAT IN MIND.

YOU KNOW, HAVING A -- A SMOKE SHOP NEXT TO A NURSERY NEXT TO A

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THERE ARE STILL HOUSES IN BETWEEN THOSE THINGS.

LITTLE NOR CONGRUENCE OF THE AREA.

THAT'S ALL. THANK YOU.

>>CHAIR BRIDGMAN: THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS.

SO IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WANTED TO MAKE GENERAL COMMENTS DURING THE OPEN COMMENT PERIOD? OKAY.

SEEING NO ONE, I AM GOING TO CLOSE THE FIRST OPEN COMMENT PERIOD. AT THIS TIME, I NEED TO HAVE ANYONE WHO PLANS TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OR IN OPPOSITION TO ANY ITEM ON THE AGENDA TO BE -- TO BE SWORN IN.

AND MISS BLANCHEETTE WILL ADMINISTER THE OATH.

WILL YOU PLEASE MOVE TO THE CENTER AISLE SO YOU WILL BE VISIBLE ON THE CAMERA. SO ANYONE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK OF ANY SPECIFIC ITEM SHOULD BE SWORN IN.

SO IF YOU WOULD -- >> TALKING OF COMMENTS TOO?

>> YES. >> WHY ARE YOU SWEARING PEOPLE IN. CAN YOU EXPLAIN THAT?

>>CHAIR BRIDGMAN: THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE STARTED SEVERAL MONTHS AGO. AND IT IS BECAUSE OUR PROCEDURES, MANY OF THEM ARE JUDICIAL IN NATURE AND CONTINUE IS WHY WE DO THIS. OKAY.

I THINK WE ARE READY. DO YOU ALL SOLEMNLY SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE TESTIMONY YOU ARE ABOUT TO GIVE WILL BE THE WHOLE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH SO HELP YOU GOD.

>> I DO. >>CHAIR BRIDGMAN: THANK YOU,

[6.  Public Hearing to consider transmittal of COMP-0923-00012 (District 5, Comm. Burke) (E. Lehman, D. Selig)]

SO AT THIS TIME, I WOULD ASK THE COMMISSION TO DISCUSS THE

REQUEST FOR CONTINUANCE. >> MY UNDERSTANDING, MADAM CHAIR, THAT IS AT THE REQUEST OF THE APPLICANT AND I WILL MOVE -- CONTINUE PUBLIC HEARING OF COMP 0923, ETC., TO NEXT MONTH, DECEMBER -- WHICH DATE? DECEMBER 5 OR AS SOON THEREAFTER

AS IT CAN BE HEARD. >>CHAIR BRIDGMAN: WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR OF THE CONTINUANCE, PLEASE STAY AYE.

ANY OPPOSED, SAME SIGN. MOTION CARRIES.

NOW AT THIS TIME, I HAVE CARDS FROM THREE FOLKS WHO REQUESTED TO SPEAK WITH REGARD TO ITEM 6. YOU MAY EXERCISE YOUR RIGHT AT THIS MEETING IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO, OR YOU CAN WAIT AND DO IT AT THE NEXT MEETING. SO I HAVE DIANE SHAW, JODY WEBER AND KAREN KUHN. LET ME KNOW.

WHAT IS IT YOUR PLEASURE? >> I WILL SPEAK TONIGHT.

>>CHAIR BRIDGMAN: SPEAK TONIGHT. AND YOU ARE.

>> JODY WEBER. >>CHAIR BRIDGMAN: MISS KUHN AND

MISS SHAW. >> I WILL SPEAK TONIGHT.

>> I GUESS I CAN SAY SOMETHING TONIGHT.

>>CHAIR BRIDGMAN: DID YOU GIVE ME A CARD?

OR DO WE HAVE A CARD? >> MISS SHAW.

>>CHAIR BRIDGMAN: LET'S GO WITH MISS WEBER AND PLEASE APPROACH THE PODIUM AND SHARE YOUR COMMENTS.

YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO MAKE YOUR COMMENTS.

PLEASE HOLD THE MICROPHONE TO WHEREVER IT IS THAT YOU CAN SPEAK INTO IT. AND GIVE US YOUR NAME AND

ADDRESS. >> MADAM CHAIR, CAN I MAKE A

COMMENT? >> CERTAINLY.

>> I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT ARE HERE TONIGHT PROBABLY DON'T COME TO PLANNING HEARINGS VERY OFTEN.

SO NORMALLY WE WOULD HAVE THE APPL APPLICANT. THEY WOULD HAVE A PRESENTATION.

>>CHAIR BRIDGMAN: CORRECT. >> SINCE WE CONTINUED THIS THERE WON'T BE A PRESENTATION FROM THE APPLICANT.

THAT WILL HAPPEN NEXT MONTH. >> BUT WE CAN SPEAK THEN ALSO,

CORRECT? >> YES.

>> PERFECT. >>CHAIR BRIDGMAN: PLEASE

PROCEED. >> FIRST OFF, I DON'T KNOW WHO MAILED OUT YOUR LETTERS FOR NOTIFICATION FOR THIS ISSUE ON NUMBER 6, BUT THE PROPERTY DOES TOUCH PROPERTY THAT WE HAVE THAT

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THE ONLY REASON I KNEW ABOUT THIS IS SOMEONE THAT LIVED DOWN 17. SO I DON'T THINK YOU ARE GETTING OUT TO THE PEOPLE TO EVEN KNOW ALL ABOUT THIS.

I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT. BECAUSE I THINK YOU ARE -- YOU ARE NOT -- I AM NOT SAYING YOU BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW IF IT IS Y'ALL THAT ARE GIVING THESE LETTERS OUT BUT TRYING TO SKIRT UNDER PEOPLE'S NOSES IS WHAT I FEEL.

THAT IS THE FEELING. TO CONFIRM SOMETHING THAT YOU JUST SWORN ME IN AS. I LIVED ON THE PROPERTY WHERE I LIVE FOR EVERY 50 YEARS. I AM NOT GOING TO SAY EXACTLY HOW LONG BECAUSE IT IS HOW OLD I AM.

BUT IN LOOKING AT THIS PLAN, AND WE DON'T HAVE A PRESENTATION TO GO ON, BUT I DO WANT TO SAY SOMETHING, YOUR WHOLE AGENDA TONIGHT LOOKS LIKE IT IS -- I COME FROM AN AGRICULTURE FAMILY.

53,000 LAYING HEN FARM THAT USED TO BE IN CLAY COUNTY THAT IS NOW NOT DUE TO FAMILY DEATH AND STUFF LIKE THAT.

BUT I DO COME FROM AN AGRICULTURAL BACKGROUND.

I WORKED WITH THE AGRICULTURE DEPARTMENT HERE IN THE COUNTY AS WELL. IT LOOKS LIKE EVERYTHING ON THIS AGENDA IS MOVING FROM OUR RURAL, WHICH IS WHAT OUR ROUTES ARE HERE. AND I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN HERE, BUT LOOKS LIKE EVERYBODY IS TAKING ALL THE RURAL AREAS OUT AND WHERE WE HAVE OUR WILDLIFE.

WHERE WE HAVE AGRICULTURE. WHAT THIS COUNTY WAS BASED ON FROM THE DAIRY FARMS TO THE POULTRY FARMS TO ALL LIKE THAT.

AND IT IS NOW WANTING TO BE IN ALL PLANNED COMMUNITIES.

I THINK YOU DID A VERY BAD, POOR CHOICE IF IT WAS YOU GUYS WHO MADE DECISIONS WHAT HAPPENED IN LAKEASBURY.

WE DON'T WANT IT ON THE ITEM ON THE PROPERTY FOR NUMBER 6.

PLEASE VOTE NO. DON'T LET IT PASS.

LEAVE IT AS AGRICULTURE. I JUST HAD A DEER RUN INTO THE SIDE OF MY VEHICLE BECAUSE I DO LIVE DOWN WHERE THE BYPASS IS GOING OFF OF STRING BANK. I HAVE TO TRAVEL THAT.

THEY ARE TAKING AWAY THE LAND WHERE THE ANIMALS LIVE, AND THEY ARE RUNNING SCARED. THEY HAVE NOWHERE TO GO.

YOU ARE TAKING OUT ALL THE LAND, ALL THE GREEN SPACE.

IF WE WANTED PEOPLE UP OUR BACK SIDE, WE WOULD BE IN HERE YELLING FOR YOU TO DO IT. WE ALL LIVE A LOT OF US WHO ARE HERE ON PARCELS OF PROPERTY THAT ARE BIGGER.

AND WE DON'T WANT EVERYBODY UP OUR BACKSIDES.

WE DON'T WANT THIS. WE ASK THAT YOU DO NOT LET IT HAPPEN. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. AT THIS TIME, MISS SHAW, YOU MAY COME FORWARD -- DIANE SHAW, IF YOU WANT TO MAKE YOUR --

>> I WANTS TO WAIT UNTIL THE PRESENTATION BECAUSE I WANT TO

SEE WHAT THEY HAVE TO SAY. >>CHAIR BRIDGMAN: THIS WILL NOT BE AT THIS MEETING. AND MISS KUHN.

>> MY NAME IS KAREN KUHN, I LIVE 1006 LENA ROAD.

EXCUSE ME, BUT IT TOOK A LOT TO BE -- JUST BE PRESENT TO THIS MEETING TODAY. AS YOU CAN TELL, I HAVE HAD SOME SURGERIES DONE. BUT I FELT IS VERY IMPORTANT FOR SOMEONE FROM OUR NEIGHBORHOOD TO BE ABLE TO SPEAK.

ACCORDING WHAT WE HAVE FOUND OUT OVER A YEAR AGO, THERE WAS A LETTER THAT WAS SENT OUT TO SOME PEOPLE FOR A COMMUNITY MEETING TO GET OUR INPUT ABOUT WHAT WE WANTED TO SEE IN THE AREA.

NOW, I DON'T KNOW WHO THE LETTERS WENT OUT, BUT NOT -- NOT ONE SINGLE PERSON ON LENA ROAD RECEIVED THAT NOTIFICATION.

THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS SENT OUT BY THE LANDOWNERS.

OKAY. WE WERE -- WHEN WE FOUND OUT ABOUT IT, THEY HELD THREE MEETINGS ON THREE DIFFERENT DAYS. AND WE HAPPEN TO FIND OUT ABOUT IT FROM A NEIGHBOR WHO FOUND OUT ABOUT IT FROM -- FROM SOMEONE WHO LIVED ON AIR PARK ROAD. NOW THE DEVELOPMENT WAS GOING TO BE CALLED LENO ROAD. NOW WOULD YOU NOT THEIR THEY WOULD SEND A NOTIFICATION TO THE LANDOWNERS WHO LIVED ON LENO

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BUT I CAN TELL YOU NOW, NOT JUST FOR CLAY COUNTY, BUT FOR FLORIDA IN GENERAL, CANNOT CONTINUE TO DEVELOP ALL OF THEIR PROPERTY.

YOU CANN. THE STATE IS NOT ABLE TO WITHSTAND AND CONTINUE THE TOWN HOUSES AND THE CONDOMINIUMS, AND THE -- AND THE HOUSES THAT ARE THREE TO FOUR TO AN ACRE.

WHERE A STRIP OF GRASS ON EACH SIDE OF THE HOUSE IS YOUR YARD.

THERE IS NO WAY THAT THIS COUNTY OR ANY OTHER COUNTY CAN CONTINUE TO GROW LIKE THIS. YOU HAVE ALREADY IMPACTED US WITH FP&L. THERE ARE 800 APPROXIMATELY ACRES THAT WERE PUT IN WITH NOTHING BUT SULFUR FIELDS.

>>CHAIR BRIDGMAN: YOUR TIME IS EXPIRED.

SO YOU NEED TO WRAP-UP, PLEASE. >> ALL I AM SAYING TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THE IMPACT IT IS GOING TO BE.

WHERE IS THE WATER GOING TO COME FROM? WHERE IS INFRASTRUCTURE GOING TO COME FROM? ARE YOU GOING TO BUILD SOMETHING AND THEN NOT -- AND DEVELOP -- AND END UP HAVING SOMETHING LIKE BLANDING BOULEVARD ON 17? ARE YOU GOING TO MOVE SOMEBODY ELSE OUT OF THEIR HOME BECAUSE YOU ARE WIDEN 17 AGAIN? IF YOU ARE GOING TO DO SOMETHING, DO IT RIGHT THE FIRST TIME.

>>CHAIR BRIDGMAN: THANK YOU, MISS KUHN, WE APPRECIATE YOUING HERE TODAY. AT THIS TIME, I DO NOT HAVE ANY MORE CARDS FOR ITEM NUMBER 6. SO WE WILL GO ON -- WE WILL GO

[1.  Public Hearing to consider adoption of COMP-0723-00008 and PUD-0723-00009. (District 4, Comm. Condon) (B. Carson)]

AND THIS IS PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER ADOPTION O OF COMP-0723-0008 AND PUD-0723-00009.

AND MISS CARSON WILL PRESENT THIS.

AND YOU CAN PRESENT BOTH THE LAND USE AND THE ZONING, FULL,

PLEASE. >> THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.

THE APPLICANT FOR THIS ITEM -- THESE ITEMS IS R-AND-DELETE SPACE>R REAL ESTATE HOLDINGS. AGENT IS JANET FLEET OF FLEET AND ASSOCIATES. A SMALL LAND USE AMENDMENT FOR 7.54 ACRES TO GO FROM RURAL RESIDENTIAL TO COMMERCIAL.

AND THE ZONING REQUEST THAT ACCOMPANIES THAT IS FOR A MAP AMENDMENT OF THE 10.92 ACRES FROM NEIGHBORHOOD BUSINESS, BA, IMMEDIATE BUSINESS, BB, PRIVATE SERVICES , AND AGRICULTURE RESIDENTIAL AR TO PLANNED COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT.

THE PLANNING DISTRICT FOR THESE EYE STEMS IS MIDDLEBORO CLAY HILL. DISTRICT 4, COMMISSIONER CONDON'S DISTRICT AND WILL BE HELD AT THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS AT THE 5:00 TIME CERTAINS.

TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND, THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED ON THE WEST SIDE OF BLANDING AND OCCUPIES MOST OF THE BLOCK BETWEEN BLANDING, ALLIGATOR, ROSEMARY AND PRIMROSE STREET. IMC GROUP IS THE BUSINESS ON THE PROPERTY AND BEEN THERE SINCE 1992.

THE PURPOSE OF THIS APPLICATION IS SO THAT THE BUSINESS MAY EXPAND AND ALSO TO PROVIDE BUFFERS TO THE ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL PROFFERS WHICH IS WHAT WAS STATED IN THE APPLICATION. THE MAP ON THE LEFT IS THE LAND USE CHANGE. THE FRONT PARCELS THAT ARE ON BLANDING CURRENTLY ARE COMMERCIAL.

THAT IS WHY THEY ARE NOT INCLUDED IN THE HATCHED AREA.

BUT THE MAP ON THE RIGHT IS THE REZONING.

AND IT WILL INCLUDE ALL OF THE PARCELS IN THE PDC REQUEST.

FOR PUBLIC NOTIFICATION, WE HAVE TO ALWAYS NOTIFIED 350 BUFFER

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THE NOTIFICATION SIGNS ARE THERE AS WELL, AND WE PUBLISHED IN THE PAPER. NOW THIS -- THERE HAS BEEN A PUBLIC NOTIFICATION ERROR SO WE HAD TO DELAY THIS A MONTH WHY THE SIGNS HAVE THE WHITE TAPE AND THEY WERE CORRECTED TO HAVE THE CURRENT DATE OF THE MEETING. SO IS THE MAP ON IS THE LAND USE AND LIKE I SAID THE COMMERCIAL IS THE FRONT AND ON THE RIGHT IS THE PROPOSED LAND USE WHICH WILL ALL BE COMMERCIAL LAND USE.

THIS IS THE ZONING MAP. ON THE FRONT ALONG BLANDING IS THE BABB AND ALSO A PIECE OF PS 2, WHICH IS A UTILITY SITE UP CONTINUE TO ROSEMARY STREET. THE PROPOSAL FOR ALL THIS TO GO TO PCD. HERE IS A SITE PLAN.

THEY ARE PROPOSING THAT THEY INCLUDE SOME OFFICE BUILDINGS.

AND THAT THE BUILDINGS THAT ARE KERR RENTLY ON THE FAR LEFT PIECES WHICH ARE HOUSES. THE AGENT CAN ACTUALLY SPEAK TO THOSE. THEY WOULD BE HAVING ADDITIONAL PARKING AND THEIR PCD EXPRESSLY STATES WHAT USES ARE PERMITTED IN THE STATED PUD THERE ON THE APPLICATION.

PCD -- IT'S CONFUSING WITH OUR NUMBERS, THE NEW SYSTEM.

BUT THE ITEMS THAT ARE EXPRESSLY STATED IN THE PCD, THE USES ARE SIMILAR TO THE BB, WITH THE ADDITION OF COMMERCIAL, BUSINESS AND PROFESSIONAL OFFICES, WAREHOUSE AND FABRICATION, STORAGE OF TRACTOR-TRAILERS, DWELLING UNIT FOR SECURITY GUARDS OR CARETAKERS OR COMMUNICATION TOWERS.

USES NOT PERMITTED, THESE ARE NOT EXPRESSLY PERMITTED SO, THEREFORE, THEY ARE NOT PERMITTED TO IT BE DEVELOPED ON THIS SITE ARE OTHER BB USES LIKE NIGHTCLUBS, BARS, TAVERNS, SERVICE STATIONS, FLEA MARKET, ADULT ENTERTAINMENT AND RESTAURANTS. THOSE ARE INCLUDED BY THE BB ZONING THEY HAVE WRAPPED INTO THIS PCD.

NO CONTINUAL USES WERE LISTED AS BEING PERMITTED.

ANALYSIS OF THE LAND USE CHANGE. THE MAXIMUM INTENSITY 40% FLOOR AREA RATIO THE EQUIVALENT OF 1 1,000 SQUARE COMMERCIAL BUILDING. THE APPLICATION STATES THAT THE MAXIMUM LOT COVERAGE WILL BE 35%.

FOR TRIP GENERATION RATES, WE USE JUST A GENERAL RETAIL STORE WHICH IS THE MAXIMUM IMPACT THAT COULD BE.

MAXIMUM ALLOWABLE DEVELOPMENT WOULD BE 487 P.M. PEAK-HOUR TRIPS AND USE THAT FOR PLANNING PURPOSES.

THE PARCELS ARE PARTIALLY LOCATED IN URBAN SERVICE AREA.

SOLID WASTE CAPACITY S AVAILABLE.

SCHOOLS AND RECREATION ARE NOT IMPACTED.

THE SITE IS NOT IN A FLOODWAY AND WILL NOT HAVE ANY IMPACT ON SIGNIFICANT HABITAT. THE PARCEL IS NOT IN THE NOISE OF CAMP BLANDING. IT IS JUST NORTH OF THAT.

FUTURE 1.4.8 LIMITS SMALL SCALE FLUM AMENDMENTS TO COMMERCIAL AND INFILL BETWEEN COMMERCIAL, INDUSTRIAL OR INSTITUTIONAL PROJECTS. OR THAT EXHIBIT A UNIFIED PLAN OF DEVELOPMENT. THIS ACTUALLY IS DOING BOTH.

IT IS BORDER BY TWO CHURCHES WHICH WILL BE THE INSTITUTIONAL USE AND THEY ARE PROVIDING A PCD FOR THE PROPOSED USES SIMILAR TO THE BB. AGAIN, THE APPLICATION -- THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CHANGE IN LOUIS FROM RR TO COMMERCIAL.

AND THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT WILL BE CONSIDERED BOTH INFILL AND UNIFIED. THE MIDDLEBURGH CLAY HILL CITIZENS ADVISORY COMMITTEE VOTED 7-0 TO RECOMMEND THIS LANDS USE ZONING CHANGE AT THEIR AUGUST 21 MEETING.

PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF FINDS IT COMPATIBLE.

RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF COMP PLAN.

0723-00008. FLORIDA AR TO AR.

AND RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF PUD-0723-00009 TO AMEND FROM 10.9 TO PCD AND 23409 PUD AS IT IS STATED.

ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION FOR STAFF?

>> I HAVE ONE. YOU SAID IN THE PRESENTATION THAT THIS PROPERTY IS PARTIALLY WITHIN THE URBAN SERVICE AREA.

I DIDN'T REALIZE IT WENT DOWN THAT FAR.

WHERE IS THAT URBAN SERVICE AREA?

>> I DON'T HAVE THAT MAP ON ME, BUT IT COMES DOWN BLANDING.

AND I BELIEVE IT CUTS THROUGH THE PROPERTY.

>> THAT'S ALL. >>CHAIR BRIDGMAN: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? BI

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BILL. >>BILL GARRISON: PUFD/PCD

SIMILAR TO BB. >> YES.

>>BILL GARRISON: IS THAT HOW DEDEFINED AS IT IS.

SIMILAR TO. >> WRITTEN STATEMENTS AND SPECIFICALLY LISTS THE USES PERMITTED.

CURRENT IS BB-BA. AND BB AND BA OUT THERE ON

BLAMING. >>BILL GARRISON: RIGHT.

>> I WAS TRYING TO DRAW A COMPARISON WHAT THEY ARE CURRENTLY PERMITTED TO HAVE AND WHAT THEY ARE PROPOSING UNDER

THE PDC. >>BILL GARRISON: THEIR APPLICATION STATES THE SPECIFIC USES AND IT HAPPENED IS WHAT DETERMINES, YOU KNOW, THE ZONING.

THEY ARE -- SOME ISSUE, THAT IS WHAT YOU WILL GO BACK TO.

IF SOMEBODY WAS DOING SOMETHING OUTSIDE OF THOSE SPECIFIED USES, THAT IS WHAT YOU WOULD REFER BACK TO?

>> THAT'S CORRECT. THE PCD IS PROVIDING A SITE PLAN AND A WRITTEN STATEMENT. BOTH OF THOSE ARE ATTACH TO A DRAFT ORDINANCE BECAUSE IT IS ADOPTED AS PART OF THE

ORDINANCE. >>BILL GARRISON: THANK YOU.

>>CHAIR BRIDGMAN: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION? IF NOT, WE WILL HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MADAM COMMISSIONER AND THE COMMISSION.

FIRST OF ALL, I AM JANICE FLEET, FLEET ASSOCIATES AND ARCHITECTS AND PLANNERS. I WANT TO THANK STAFF BECAUSE WE HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THIS FOR A WHILE AND I APPRECIATE ALL THEIR EFFORTS. THE REASON WE DID A -- A PCD.

PLANNED COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT, PCD, IS BECAUSE WE WANT TO COMPLY WITH THE COMP PLAN AND GET ALL THE USES UNDER UNIFIED CONTROL AS WELL AS LIMIT THE USE FOR WHAT OF WHAT IMC WILL DO ON THE SITE. THEY ARE A CLAY COUNTY BUSINESS AND THEY EMPLOY APPROXIMATELY 50 EMPLOYEES AT THAT THE SITE OF ESTIMATORS AND PROJECT MANAGERS, ETC.

THEY HAVE OVER 500 EMPLOYEE S TTHAT GO TO VARIOUS SITES.

A LOT OF DEPARTMENT DEFENSE CONTRACTS.

OTHER U.S. GOVERNMENT CONTRACTS THROUGHOUT THE PIELANDS.

THAT'S HOW THEY CAME UP WITH THE IMC, ISLAND MECHANICAL CONTRACTORS. A GOOD CLAY COUNTY BUSINESS WE WANT TO PROMOTE AND MORE IMPORTANTLY, I HAVE GOT THE PRESIDENT OF THE COMPANY, SHAWN TURNER IS HERE.

HIS FATHER ROBERT TURNIDGE IS A LONG-TIME CLAY COUNTY RESIDENT AND SAID AT THE CAC, THE REASON THEY BOUGHT THAT SITE -- IT HAS BEEN -- THEY HAVEN'T HAD IT -- THEY HAD IT SINCE 2008.

NOT A BUSINESS ON THAT SITE SINCE '96 BASED ON THE PROPERTY APPRAISER'S RECORDS. HE SAID HE GOT TIRED OF DRIVING TO JACKSONVILLE FROM MIDDLEBURGH.

HE WANTED HIS BUSINESS IN MIDDLEBURGH AND THAT IS WHERE HE HAS MOVED TO. AND THAT'S WHY HE BUILT THE BUSINESS. HE WOULD LIKE TO EXPAND AND TO BE ABLE TO EXPAND THEIR OFFICE, WHICH IS GOING BOB TO A $2 MILLION TO $3 MILLION OF INVESTMENT OF COMMERCIAL PROPERTY -- OF AN OFFICE IN CLAY COUNTY TO EXPAND THEIR BUSINESS.

THEY NEEDED ROOM. AND THEY ALSO HAVE BEEN USING THE REAR PART OF THEIR PROPERTY FOR STORAGE.

AND THEY WANT TO MAKE IT ALL IN THAT UNIFIED PLAN SO EVERYBODY KNOW WHAT IS THEY ARE DOING. THE REAR -- THE TWO HOUSES THEY BOUGHT ON THE BACK SIDE PRIMARILY WILL BE USED INITIALLY FOR MAINTAIN AS SINGLE-FAMILY. WE DID PUT ON THE LIST OF USES AS COMMISSIONER GARRISON SAID. WE SPECIFICALLY LISTED USES WE WANT ON THE SITE AND EXCLUDED THINGS ALLOWED IN BB AS MENTIONED IN THE POWERPOINT SLIDE THAT WE DON'T WANT ON THE DIET. BECAUSE NOT THE DEVELOPMENT WE PROPOSED -- THAT THE OWNERS WANT.

THEY ARE THE OWNERS OF THE PROPERTY AND THE OWNERS THE BUSINESS. AND THERE IS A NEED FOR STAFF.

SOMETIMES TO HAVE A PLACE TO LIVE.

BECAUSE OF SHORTAGES OF HOUSING, AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND THINGS LIKE THAT. IT WILL BE USED EITHER FOR THAT -- IN THE FUTURE IF THEY DO NOT NEED IT FOR HOUSING, IT WILL BE MAINTAINED FOR, LIKE, DOCUMENT STORAGE.

IT NEVER IS GOING TO BE -- THEY WILL DO THEIR INTENSIVE -- WHAT I WANT TO SAY WHAT THEY DO FOR THEIR DEVELOPMENT ON THE FRONT PART WHICH IS ON THE BLANDING SIDE.

A NICE NEW OFFICE ON PLANNING AND BASICALLY BUFFER THE RESIDENTS TO THE REAR AND NOT CHANGE ANYTHING.

THERE WAS A MAJOR CLAY ELECTRIC OF FLORIDA POWER EASEMENT THAT SPLITS THEIR PROPERTY. THERE IS NO WAY THEY ARE GOING TO TAKE ANY TRUCKS OR ANYTHING BETWEEN GOING FROM THE FRONT ON BLANDING TO THE PRIMROSE SIDE. YOU JUST CAN'T DO IT.

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THEY HELP THEIR NEIGHBORS AS THEY CAN.

MR. TURNIDGE AT THE CAC AND HELPED WITH HURRICANE.

BECAUSE THEY HAVE EQUIPMENT. WHAT THEY DO HELP CLEAN OFF THE ADJOINING PROPERTIES AND THE CHURCH PROPERTIES.

THEY ARE GOOD NEIGHBORS. BEEN THERE A WHILE.

NO COMPLAINT WITH THE NEIGHBORS. AND WE HOPE THAT YOU SUPPORT STAFF IN THIS REZONING AND COMP PLAN AMENDMENT SO THIS BUSINESS CAN EXPAND AND MAINTAIN ITSELF IN CLAY COUNTY.

>>CHAIR BRIDGMAN: THANK YOU. THE COMMISSION VERSE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MISS FLEET? BILL?

>>BILL GARRISON: I PULLED UP THE LIST.

IF YOU BEAR WITH ME, I WANT TO READ THE FIRST ITEM.

LIKE I SAID IT IS COPIED FROM THE BB, MOST OF IT.

>> YES, YES, SIR. >>BILL GARRISON: A COUPLE OF THEM. SO IS THE PCD, IN MY MIND, IS SPECIFICALLY FOR THIS PROJECT. AND SO GENERALLY I AM IN FAVOR OF PCDS, I AM INCLINED TO IT BE IN FAVOR OF THIS.

I AM FAMILIAR WITH THE COMPANY AND I THINK THEY DO A GREAT JOB.

WITH THE CAC, LOOKING FOR ECONOMIC GROWTH, JOB CREATION AND THAT SORT OF STUFF. BUT SEPARATE FROM YOUR DEVELOPMENT, THERE ARE OTHER DEVELOPMENTS 2349 AREA THAT, IN MY OPINION, TAKE ADVANTAGE OF WHAT I PERCEIVE TO BE LOOSELY OR REALLY A WIDE BERTH. WHEN YOU GET THE ZONING.

I AM CURIOUS, YOU ARE COMING INTO SOMETHING ELSE THAT I AM ALREADY CONCERNED ABOUT AND I WILL READ THIS.

REPAIR GARAGES. COMMERCIAL HEATING AND AIR CONDITIONING, WHICH I THINK IS A BIG PART OF WHAT THEY DO.

PLUMBING AND ELECTRICAL SHOPS. FARM MACHINERY, TRUCK, SALES REMEMBER RENTAL AND SERVICE. WHOLESALE SERVICE ROOMS. COMMERCIAL PLANTERS IN REESE. KIND OF A HORIZONTAL MOVE, I WOULD GUESS. BUILDING SUPPLY MATERIALS.

BOAT AND MOTOR SALES AND SERVICE.

PAWN SHOPS FUNERAL HOMES. AMBULANCE SERVICES.

AUCTIONS. ANIMAL HOSPITALS.

MINIATURE GOLF COURSE? MY QUESTION IS, WHY WOULD YOU HAVE MINIATURE GOLF COURSES IN THIS PCD?

>> TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, I THOUGHT I DELETED MOST OF THE ONES THAT WEREN'T WITH THEIR DEVELOPMENT.

SO, THAT IS NOT WHAT THEIR POINT IS.

NOT SOMETHING -- >>BILL GARRISON: FINAL JUST TRYING TO MAKE A POINT AND MORE TO THE STAFF AS WE REVIEW THE LDRS IN AN ATTEMPT TO TIGHTEN UP THIS TYPE OF ZONING WHERE SOMEBODY GETS A PCD FOR -- YOU KNOW, TO EXPAND THEIR VERY SUCCESSFUL, VERY GREAT, VERY WORTHWHILE BUSINESS.

AND NEXT THING YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE AUCTION -- ANIMAL HOSPITAL.

I AM NOT AGAINST THOSE THINGS. MINIATURE GOLF COURSE.

WHAT DOES THAT GOT TO DO WITH THIS? GO KART TRACKS. DRUG STORE.

GROCERY STORE. FERTILIZER STORES.

IT GOES ON AND ON. IF I HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY WHEN THE AGENDA ALLOWS, I WILL HAVE A PRESENTATION ABOUT DEVELOPMENT ALONG COUNTY ROAD 218. AND THAT IS WHAT HAPPENS.

YOU GIVE THEM BB AND NEXT THING YOU KNOW A DEBRIS PILE ON THE ROAD. IMC IS A WELL ESTABLISHED COMPANY AND THAT SORT OF THING. THIS LOOSELY WRITTEN LANGUAGE ALLOWS FOR THE ABUSE OF THE SYSTEM.

>> AND NO KNOW, COMMISSIONER, THAT THE PUD AS CARSON MENTION, THE WRITTEN DESCRIPTION AND SITE PLAN IS TIED WITH THE ORDINANCE.

IF WE CHANGE FOR WHAT IS IN THAT SITE PLAN THAT VERY SPECIFICALLY SHOWS OFFICES. LIKE YOU COULDN'T PUT A

MINIATURE GOLF. >>BILL GARRISON: IT IS ON THE

APPLICATION. >> I UNDERSTAND, BUT WHAT I AM SAYING THE SITE PLAN AND THE WRITTEN DESCRIPTION, ITS USES ARE INCLUDED. SO IF -- WE WOULDN'T DO IT -- THAT IS NOT THE INTENT, MINIATURE GOLF, THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK TO DO A REZONING PCD TO PCD.

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SHOWN ON IS THAT SITE PLAN. >>BILL GARRISON: I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THAT. PCD.

ONCE THIS THING PASSES AND THAT LANGUAGE IS WRITTEN IN THERE, THIS LANGUAGE ALLOWS YOU TO DO WHATEVER YOU WANT TO.

SOMEBODY CAN GO AND LEVEL -- I AM 23409 SUGGESTING YOU WOULD.

AGAIN, YOU ARE GETTING CAUGHT UP ON SOMETHING ELSE THAT I AM

TRYING TO ADDRESS. >> UNLESS I AM INCORRECT, YOU CAN'T -- THEY ARE -- BECAUSE BOTH THE SITE PLAN AND THE WRITTEN DESCRIPTION ARE INCLUDED.

IF WE DID ANYTHING THAT WAS NOT ON THAT SITE PLAN THAT WAS SHOWN -- IF YOU CAN GO BACK TO THAT. THE SITE PLAN.

>>CHAIR BRIDGMAN: MISS CARSON, YOU WANTED TO RESPOND.

>> ANYTHING DIDIFFERENT THAN THAT WE WILL HAVE TO COME BACK TO REZONING. WE COULDN'T GO BACK TO JUST THE

SITE. >> YOU ARE IMPROVING A SITE PLAN THAT LISTS OFFICE BUILDINGS, SHOWS PARKING, ETC.

AND HOMES. >>BILL GARRISON: WHY DOES IT EVEN NEED TO BE IN THERE? SEEMS TO ME KIND OF LIKE -- WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT EARLIER. SEEMS THAT THE LANGUAGE SHOULD BE CRISPER, TAKE SOME OF THIS STUFF OUT.

IF NOBODY INTENDS TO HAVE A FUNERAL HOME, TAKE IT OUT TO.

POSSIBLE TO INTENDS TO HAVE A PALM SHOP, TAKE IT POUT.

I AM INCLINED TO SUPPORT THE APPLICATION.

AND WHAT THEY INTEND TO DO. NO PROBLEM WITH ANY OF THAT.

AGAIN, IF YOU GET TO SEE MY PRESENTATION, YOU WILL UNDERSTAND MY FRUSTRATION BETTER AND YOU KNOW I ALREADY KNOW THAT. TO ME IS WHAT LEADS US DOWN THIS

PATH. >> AND I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE SAYING AS FAR AS THE LIST. IF THAT IS NOT REALLY WHAT THEY ARE INTENDING, MAYBE IT SHOULDN'T BE ON THE LIST.

BUT WHAT THEY ARE PRESENTING IS OFFICE BUILDINGS.

IF THEY WERE TO DECIDE DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT ON THIS LIST. THEY WILL HAVE TO COME BACK TO YOU BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE A DEVIATION FROM THE SITE PLAN.

>> MADAM CHAIR? >>CHAIR BRIDGMAN: YES.

>> I WANT TO EXPAND ON MR. GARRISON SAID, BECAUSE I LOOKED AT THIS AND SAID THE SAME THING. WE ARE DOING A PCD.

LET'S PUT THE USES IN HERE THAT ARE THE PROPOSED USES FOR THE SITE. THAT IS THE WHOLE IDEA.

ALL OF THIS OTHER STUFF, WHAT - IF THEY ARE INCLUDING A SITE PLAN, TO CHOOSE THE SITE PLAN, THEY WILL PROBABLY HAVE TO COME BACK AND SEE THIS BOARD AGAIN. HOWEVER, I AM GOING TO PLAY DEVIL'S ADVOCATE FOR A MINUTE AND GIVE YOU WHAT WILL HAPPEN.

BECAUSE I HAVE SEEN IT. WE NEEDED TO CHANGE THE SITE PLAN BECAUSE WHAT WE HAD WASN'T WORKING.

THE PCD SPAYED WE CAN DO REPAIR GARAGES, FUNERALS HOMES AND ANIMAL SERVICES. ALL WE ARE ASKING TO CHANGE THE SITE PLAN TO WHAT IS IN THE PCD. VERY IMPORTANT WHAT IS IN THE WRITTEN PART OF IT. AND WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IS THE PERMITTED USES BE REWRITTEN TO INCLUDE THE USES THAT THEY TEND TO HAVE ON THE SITE THAT IS BACKED UP BY THE SITE PLAN.

I AM WITH MR. GARRISON. THING IS A GREAT PROJECT.

I THINK IT IS JUST NOT A GOOD APPLICATION IF YOU CAN GET THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN. THEN I HAD ONE OTHER QUESTION AS WELL. WHEN I WENT THROUGH THIS.

MAYBE I MISS IT. ANYTHING ABOUT THE LIGHTING PLAN IN THIS IN HERE? ANY LIGHTING PLAN IN THIS APPLICATION? I DIDN'T SEE ONE.

I SEE LANDSCAPING AND SIGNS. >> WE DO NOT. PWE REQUIRE LIGHT DEVELOPMENTS TO BE SUBMITTED TO THE COUNTY.

AND WE TEND TO RECOMMEND THAT THE LAKE ASBURY STANDARDS ARE THE GUIDELINES SO THERE IS NO LIGHT BLEED OFF INTO RESIDENTIAL OR TO ROADS. WE DO LOOK AT THAT AT

DEVELOPMENT REVIEW. >> WHAT I AM SAYING WE SAW THAT IN PCD BEFORE. I WOULD LIKE THAT SPECIFIED WHAT HAD THE LIGHTING REQUIREMENTS ARE GOING TO BE.

TO MR. GARRISON'S POINTS. THE KING RADIO STATION BY YOUR HOUSE IS STILL ONE, BUT ONE DOWN THE STREET FROM ME.

I THINK WHEN I DRIVE BY IT, IT HAS TO BE THE PRISON YARD BECAUSE OF THE AMOUNT OF LIGHT THEY HAVE ON THAT BUILDING SPILLING OUT INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS FRANKLY RIDICULOUS AND SEVERAL AROUND LIKE THAT.

I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT THAT WE CAPTURE THAT LIGHTING ISSUE NOW.

I DON'T KNOW HOW TO PUT THIS OTHER THAN WE HAVE PUBLIC

COMMENT GOING STILL. >> PERHAPS WE CAN CRAFT A MOTION THAT CAN DEAL WITH THAT. MR. BOURRE WANTED TO SPEAK.

>>MICHAEL BOURRE: THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.

THANK YOU, MRS. FLEET FOR COMING IN.

GOOD TO SEE YOU. IMFAMILIAR WITH IMC.

GREAT COMPANY. BLESSED TO HAVE YOU HERE IN CLAY COUNTY. WE LOVE JOB AND JOB GROWTH.

THAT IS HEALTHY FOR OUR COMMUNITY.

THE ONLY QUESTION -- AND A BASIC QUESTION.

AND REALLY A QUESTION FOR THE COMMUNITY TO HEAR MORE THAN FOR THE COMMISSIONERS. TALK TO US THE BUFFERS.

AND SPECIFICALLY THE BUFFERS AROUND THE RESIDENTIAL

COMPONENT? >> WELL, IF YOU CAN GO BACK TO THE FIRST SLIDE THAT HAD THE AERIAL.

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OKAY. THERE IS A LOT OF BUFFERS IN THE REAR WHICH IS WHERE THE RESIDENTIAL ARE.

PRESIDENT AREA THAT IS CLEAR NOW IS GOING TO BE CLEARED.

AND I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT ADDING SOME BUFFERS IF THAT IS REQUIRED. WE DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH ADDING, YOU KNOW, BUFFERS AS THE COMMISSION WANTED.

I KNOW BETH AND I TALKED ABOUT IT.

SO WE -- TO -- WE HAVE THE CHURCH ON BOTH SIDES, BUT TO THE REAR OF THE EXISTING VEGETATION, IT IS GOING TO REMAIN.

>> WHERE WE HAVE COMMERCIAL, THAT ABUTS RESIDENTIAL.

AND MAYBE THIS IS A BETTER QUESTION FOR STAFF.

WHAT ARE THE BUFFER REQUIREMENTS.

>> ACCORDING THIS? >>MICHAEL BOURRE: I WANT TO HEAR

FROM STAFF FIRST. >> TYPICALLY A 20-FOOT BUFFER IS REQUIRED FOR MOST COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL BOUNDARIES.

AND THAT -- THAT INCLUDES A SIX-FOOT BARRIER, WHETHER IT IS TREES -- I'M SORRY, WHETHER IT IS A FENCE, HEDGE OR WALL, ALONG WITH EVERGREEN TREE PLANTING, 30 FOOT ON CENTER.

>>MICHAEL BOURRE: OKAY, THANK YOU.

>> WHEN WE WENT TO DRC WITH THIS, WE TALKED ABOUT THAT.

IT WOULD COME UP AS PART OF THE DRC'S REQUIREMENT.

THEY TALKED ABOUT IT. WE AGREED TO WHATEVER WOULD BE REQUIRED. AGAIN, WE -- IF YOU NEED TO ADD IT, WE CAN ADD IT HERE. I DON'T HAVE IS A PROBLEM WITH

THAT. >> MADAM CHAIR, I HAVE A FOLLOW-UP ON MR. BOURRE'S QUESTION, BECAUSE IN THIS APPLICATION, THE SETBACKS ARE ONLY TEN FEET.

SO AWED TEN-FOOT SETBACK. WHAT DO YOU DO? SO EVEN THOUGH THE CURRENT PLAN IS NOT THAT, THE SETBACKS CERTAINLY ARE NOT VERY COMFORTABLE.

AND THE OTHER THING THAT JUST JUMPED OUT AT ME IN HERE, WHICH IS PROBABLY WHY I CAN'T SUPPORT THIS LIKELY UNTIL WE HEAR ALL THE COMMENTS. THERE IS A 60-FOOT BUILDING HEIGHT ON THIS. THIS IS OUT AS WAS MENTIONED EARLIER IN WHAT IS STILL A FAIRLY RURAL PART OF THE COUNTY.

I THINK A 30-FOOT BUILDING HEIGHT IS ADEQUATE FOR WHATEVER IT IS THEY WANT TO DO. A 60-FOOT BUILDING ON BLANDING BOULEVARD OUT THERE WILL BE LIKE A -- LIKE A SKYSCRAPER ALMOST.

OUT THERE. THERE ARE SEVERAL THINGS WITH THE APPLICATION. -- AND I WANT TO EMPHASIZE WHAT MR. BOURRE SAID AND MR. GARRISON.

WE LOVE THIS COMPANY. WE WANT TO TRY TO ACCOMMODATE THEM, BUT WE ALSO NEED TO LOOK AT WHAT THE NEGATIVE IMPACTS OF THIS APPLICATION ARE. WE WOULD LOVE AN APPLICATION THAT -- THAT DEALT WITH SOME OF THESE ISSUES.

>> I THINK THE 60 INTO THE -- IF I REMEMBER IT CORRECTLY AND LIKE I SAID THIS HAS GONE ON FOR A WHILE.

THAT IS WHAT BB IS. >> SAY THAT AGAIN?

>> THAT IS WHAT IS IN BB WHICH IS ALLOWED BY CURRENT.

THE FRONT. BUT THEY DO NOT PLAN -- WE LOOK -- I DON'T REMEMBER -- -- THEY FOUND IT AT THE CAC.

I COULD BE WRONG, BUT NOT LOOKING AT THE CODE.

WE ARE NOT DOING THAT A AND COMPANY LOWER IT TO 35 FEET WHICH F THAT THE DESIRE OF THE COMMISSION.

BECAUSE THAT IS ALL -- THE BUILDING WE ARE PROPOSING -- THEY ARE ALREADY IN DESIGN WITH THEIR BUILDING.

I KIND OF -- BASICALLY WHAT HAPPENED THEY DIDN'T REALIZE THEY COULDN'T DO EVERYTHING THEY WANTED TO UNTIL THEY STARTED TO SEE THE VARIOUS ZONINGS. THEY ARE NOT GOING UP TO 60 FEET. WE DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM LOWER THAT IF THAT IS WHAT THE COMMISSION WOULD LIKE US TO DO.

>> MADAM CHAIR, TO RALPH'S POINT.

PERIMETER BUFFER. TEN-FOOT LANDSCAPE BUFFER FROM ANY RESIDENTIAL. IF THE CODE REQUIRES 20 TO 25.

>> THE CODE DOES UNDER GENERAL ZONING, BUT UNDER THIS PCD, THAT

IS THE BUFFER. >> THAT'S WHAT I AM SAYING, RIGHT. I AM WITH YOU.

I DON'T -- I AM NOT A FAN OF THAT.

>>CHAIR BRIDGMAN: ARE WE READY TO MOVE INTO PUBLIC COMMENT.

I AM GOING TO OPEN THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD AND I HAVE TWO CARDS. MIC MICHAEL LENO FOLLOWED BY SHERRY WALKER.

IF ANYBODY ELSE WHO WANTS TO SPEAK.

MR. LENO, YOU CAN COME FORWARD AND SPECK ON THIS SPECIFIC

MATTER. >> YES, MA'AM.

GOOD EVENING, BOARD. FIRST I WOULD LIKE TO TOUCH ON

-- >>CHAIR BRIDGMAN: NAME AND

ADDRESS. >> MICHAEL LENO, PRIMROSE AVENUE IN MIDDLEBURGH. I WANT TO TOUCH ON WHAT MR. GARRISON AND MR. PUCKHABER IS STATING.

IT IS EFFORT TO ME THAT PCD IS JAIL-FREE.

ANY BUSINESS, EYESORE OR TRAFFIC REPERCUSSIONS, ALLIGATOR BOULEVARD A RACETRACK. PRIMROSE, DIRT STREET BETWEEN ALLIGATOR AND ROSEMARY, BOTH PAVED.

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TWO LOTS ON PRIMROSE FOR CHANGE OF HOMES THAT CAN RENT FOR $2,000 TO $4,000 A MONTH. THEY WANT TO CHANGE IT TO STORAGE? KIND OF THE HEAD SCRATCHER.

MORE EMPLOYEES ARE GOING TO BE EMPLOYED, WHERE ARE THEY NOW GOING TO BE STAYING IF THEY ARE USING TO STORE -- OR HOUSE THEIR EMPLOYEES WHEN THEY COME IN TO WORK AT THE CURRENT TIME.

WHAT KINDS OF JOBS? AND IS THERE A PLEDGE TO JOB TO THE COUNTY. CURRENT STORAGE.

FULL OF HEAVY EQUIPMENT. 50, 40-FOOT -- 50-PLUS 40-FOOT TRAILER. SOME TRACKED THREE HIGH.

THIS WILL BE PERMISSIBLE ON ALL LOTS REZONED CURRENTLY REVIEWABLE OF THE 350-FOOT LIST. I TOOK PICTURES TODAY.

I CAN SUBMIT THEM BY E-MAIL IF ALLOWED TO DO SO.

REVIEW CLAUSES IN ALL THE ZONES. EACH AND EVERY ZONE, AR, CURRENT, YOU AA, BB, EXCEPT FOR PCD, ALL INCLUDE IN HERE, A CLAUSE THAT STATES THE UNPERMITTED USES.

NUMBER ONE, THE SECTION C -- 3-13.

AGRICULTURE, RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT ZONE.

ZONE AR. THAT READS THE SAME, POSSIBLY DIFFERENT EXCEPTION FOR FOR THE OTHER ZONES I MENTIONED THAT IS IT STATES IN HERE, THE NONPERMISSIBLE USES.

ANY USE NOT ALLOWED IN B AND C ABOVE WHICH IS TYPICAL OF THE AR ZONES. PRIMARILY NUMBER TWO, ANY USE OR ACTIVITY THAT WILL CREATE ANY OBNOXIOUS, CORROSIVE, GAS, ODOR, SMOKE, DUST, FUMES, VIBRATION OR LIGHT THAT WILL BE DETRIMENTAL TO OTHER PROPERTIES AND THE HEALTH AND WELFARE OF THE CITIZENS IN THE AREA. THE TWO LOTS THEY ARE ASKING FOR ON PRIMROSE AVENUE DO NOT NEED TO BE RECLASSIFIED AND A LAND GRAB TO CONSOLIDATE. ONCE IT IS ALL ZONED ONE PCD, IT IS ONE PIECE OF PROPERTY, UNLESS RESTRICTED SEVERELY AND HAVING TO COME BACK BEFORE THIS -- THIS SENSIBLE BOARD IS -- IS TO LOOK AT THESE RESTRICTIONS. I WAS -- THE ONLY RECIPIENT OF THIS PAPERWORK FROM THE TOWN -- FROM THE COUNTY THAT OUTLINED EVERYTHING THAT WAS HAPPENING HERE.

SHARED IT WITH EVERYONE ELSE. I FIND IT DISTURBING THERE IS ALSO A RESOLUTION DRAFTED IN FAVOR OF WITHOUT ANY RESTRICTIONS. AND THE PAPERWORK THAT WAS SUBMITTED OUT TO EVERYONE, DOES NOT HAVE ANYTHING OMITTED FROM

THE DEFINED USES. >>CHAIR BRIDGMAN: THANK YOU, MR. LENO. AT THIS TIME, MISS WALKER, FULL APPROACH THE PODIUM AND STATE YOUR 2345I78 AND ADDRESS.

>> JUST ONE QUICK THING ON THE VISUAL BARRIER FOR CLARIFICATION. IT'S TEN FEET OFF SIX-FOOT-HIGH OPAQUE BARRIER PLANTED 30 FEET APART ON CENTER.

THAT IS REALLY NOT A BUFFER. >> I AM SHERRY.

I HATE THESE THINGS -- WALKER. I LIVE AT 2509 PRIMROSE AVENUE.

AND I WAS LISTENING TO MR. GARRISON'S CONCERNS AND MR. -- RALPH'S. I AGREE WITH WHAT YOU SAID.

I'M 23409 HERE TO PUT DOWN THE BUSINESS BECAUSE I AGREE THAT BUSINESSES ARE GREAT WHEN YOU HAVE GOT PEOPLE WORKING.

BUT I WAS COMBERNTD BUFFERING BECAUSE TREES BEING THE BUFFER IS DIFFERENT THAN A BIG TRUMP WALL BUFFER FOR PROTECTION AND FOR THE NOISE. BUT IT SEEMS LIKE THERE WAS A LOT OF PAPERWORK. AS WE WERE LOOK HAD THROUGH ALL THIS THAT HE CALLED OUT THAT THERE WAS SOME DISCREPANCIES.

SEEMS LIKE THE APPLICATION JUST WASN'T FILLED OUT CORRECTLY OR HOW YOU PRESENT IT. I DON'T KNOW, I AM NOT A -- NOT A -- IN THIS FIELD. BUT I DON'T KNOW A PUD FROM A P-O-D. THAT IS CONFUSING FOR PEOPLE LIKE ME WHO IS NOT IN THIS FIELD.

BUT IT IS NOT EXPLAINED CORRECTLY.

AND WE DON'T LIKE THESE BEING CHANGED IN THE BACK.

THESE -- AND -- I DON'T KNOW WHT THE PROPER WORD IS, BUT ALL THE EXTRA IN THAT SQUARE THAT SAYS IT CAN BE THIS, THIS AND THIS NEEDS TO BE ADJUSTED. I DON'T KNOW THE PROPER WORD FOR THE SQUARE THERE ON THAT PAPER THAT SAYS OF THE THINGS THAT CAN

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BUT THAT WAS A MAIN CONCERN ALSO.

FOR US IS THE NOISE. AND WE ARE REALLY DON'T KNOW UNTIL THIS MEETING REALLY WHAT IS GOING ON OR WHAT IS WANTING TO BE DONE ON THE PROPERTY. AND WE LIVE RIGHT IN FRONT OF THAT. AND WE DON'T WANT LIGHTS IN OUR EYES. AND TRAFFIC, WHICH IS ALREADY TERRIBLE. BUT WHO WANTS THAT IN THEIR BACK YARD. WITHOUT SOME KIND OF RESTRICTIONS ON WHAT CAN BE PUT THERE.

IF THEY ARE SAYING THEY ARE GOING TO DO WHAT THEY ARE GOING TO DO AND REDO THE PLACE AND MAKE IT BIGGER AND PRETTIER, THAT IS GREAT. BUT DON'T LET IT AFFECT YOUR NEIG NEIGHBORS.

HE WANTS TO FINISH -- CAN HE FINISH MY TIME.

>>CHAIR BRIDGMAN: YOU HAD YOUR THREE MINUTES AND I THINK WE UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE BRINGING TO THE COMMISSION.

SHOULD WE GO AHEAD AND DISCUSS A POSSIBLE -- TO DO YOU WANT -- OKAY. CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

AND BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMISSION FOR MOTION OR FURTHER

DISCUSSION. >> MADAM CHAIR.

YOU I THINK IT IS A LITTLE MORE WORK NEEDED HERE THAN WHAT WE MEET BE ABLE TO DO. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE A COMMENT, IF I COULD AND STATE MY POSITION.

IN GENERAL, I SUPPORT THIS. CHANGE.

BUT CURRENTLY, IT HAS SOME THINGS IN IT THAT I JUST -- IS GOING TO FORCE ME TO NOT SUPPORT IT RIGHT NOW.

AND HOPEFULLY THE MINUTES WILL CAPTURE ALL THAT.

AND BETWEEN NOW AND THE BBC MEETING, IF THE APPLICANT WANTS TO CLEAN THE APPLICATION UP SOME TO IN EFFECT, I THINK THAT IS UP TO THEM. THE SETBACKS ARE TOO SMALL.

AT LEAST THE REAR AND THE SIDE SETBACKS.

THE BUILDING HEIGHT IS TOO TALL. 60 FEET IS -- IT IS JUST TOO HIGH FOR THAT AREA. IT SHOULD NOT -- I MEAN 60 FEET IS LIKE A FARM SILO OUT THERE. THE PERMITTED USES, AS WE DISCUSSED, CLEARLY HAVE TO BE TRIMMED UP TO REFLECT WHAT THE PCD IS ACTUALLY DOING. AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, THE REASON I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THOSE TRIMMED UP IF THERE WAS A NEED AND WILL BE CALLED A RE-PCD. THAT IS WHAT THE TERM IS.

COME IN FOR A RE-PCD, WOULDN'T HAVE ALL THE USES IN HERE THAT THEY COULD SAY AND KEEP IN MIND, NOT JUST THIS OWNER BUT ANY OWNER OF A PIECE OF PROPERTY DOWN THE ROAD AND A LIGHTING STANDARD. NEEDS TO HAVE A LIGHTING PLAN.

BUILDING HEIGHTS ARE WAY TOO HIGH.

THE SETBACKS ARE TOO SMALL AND PERMITTED USES NEED TO BE TRIMMED TO BE IN LINE WITH WHAT THE APPLICANT WANTS TO DO.

UNTIL THOSE THINGS HAPPEN, I CAN'T SUPPORT THAT.

IF THOSE WERE FIXED, I COULD. BUT NOT RIGHT NOW.

>>CHAIR BRIDGMAN: ANY COMMENTS OR DISCUSSION BY THE COMMISSION?

>> YES, MA'AM, I DO, THANK YOU. SO I SUPPORT THE CONCEPT OF THIS. AGAIN, I KNOW THE COMPANY AND THEY DO GREAT WORK. I SPOKE MY PIECE ABOUT THE EMPLOYMENT SAID. I HAVE SOME OF THE SAME CONCERNS. I HAVE A QUESTION, IS THERE AN OPPORTUNITY HERE TO POSTPONE OUR DECISION ON THIS AND GIVE THEM AN OPPORTUNITY TO CLEAN THE APPLICATION UP AND REVISIT IT NEXT MONTH? OR ARE WE LOCKED?

>>CHAIR BRIDGMAN: I THINK THE QUESTION CAN BE POSED TO THE APPLICANT TO SEE IF THEY WILL BE WILLING TO COME BACK OR THEY WILL HAVE TO ASK BASICALLY FOR A CONTINUANCE AND COME BACK WITH A

REVISED APPLICATION. >> AS THE APPLICANT APPROACHES, I WOULD 100% AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER BOURRE ON THAT.

I WOULD PREFER -- WOULD BE A LOT EASIER TO VOTE TO SUPPORT THIS IF THE ITEMS THAT NEED TO BE CORRECTED WILL BE CORRECTED NOW

OPPOSED TO -- >> WE DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM CORRECTING IT. OBVIOUSLY WE DON'T WANT TO DEFER IT. ON THE OTHER HAND, WE WANT SUPPORT FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION, LIKE WE HAVE -- AND THERE ISN'T ANYTHING THAT YOU BROUGHT UP THAT WE WOULD NOT DO.

SO I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.

SO IF THAT IS THE BEST WAY TO GET TO WHERE WE NEED TO GO IN SUPPORT OF THE COMMISSION, WE ARE FINE WITH THIS.

WE WANT THIS PROJECT TO GO THROUGH.

>> THANK YOU, MA'AM. >> SHE IS SAYING IT IS OKAY FOR US TO CONTINUE IT? I WASN'T CLEAR.

>> I WANT TO MAKE SURE WHEN I COME BACK THAT WE ARE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE. WE NEED THE SETBACKS TO -- I THINK THE SETBACK IS MORE ON THE SIDE AND THE REAR, BECAUSE THE -- BECAUSE THE BUILDING ON BLAND SOMETHING WHERE -- THIS IS ONE

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SO WE WILL HAVE TO BE MORE SPECIFICS.

>> THE SIDES AND THE REAR. YOU DON'T WANT TO BE THAT CLOSE

TO BLANDING. >> RIGHT.

I DIDN'T THINK YOU WOULD HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.

THE BUILDING HEIGHT, 35 FEET, WOULD THAT BE APPROPRIATE, I THINK. IS THAT --

>> ITS TS IT IS A THREE-STORY IS BUILDING.

35 FEET IS WHAT WE USUALLY ALLOW.

>> THAT IS WHAT I AM FIGURING. LIMIT THE USES TO NOT THINGS.

AND WE WILL COMPLY -- WE CAN COMPLY WITH ASBURY LIGHTING STANDARDS. THOSE FOUR THINGS.

ANYTHING ELSE? >> THIS REALLY ISN'T OUR ISSUE AT ALL. THIS WILL HAPPEN AT THE COUNTY, BUT ON YOUR SITE PLAN WATER RETENTION UNLESS I AM MISSING IT. STORMWATER RETENTION.

THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH US. >> THE BUILDING ON OUR SITE PLAN. THAT'S WHERE THOSE REAR BUILDINGS ARE. WE ARE NOT BUILDING THOSE.

THOSE ARE EXISTING STRUCTURES THAT ARE THERE AND THOSE STRUCTURE ALSO MAINTAIN FOR THE FORESEEABLE FUTURE OBVIOUSLY.

>>CHAIR BRIDGMAN: MR. DAVIS, DID YOU HAVE A COMMENT?

>>PETE DAVIS: NOT NECESSARY STARLY A COMMENT AND I CAN'T ASK YOU TO DO IT. BUT YOU MIGHT CONSIDER MEETING WITH THOSE CLOSE TO THIS SITE THAT WILL BE IMPACTED MOST THAT YOU MIGHT ENTERTAIN SOME DISCUSSION WITH THEM.

AND THIS YOUNG GENTLEMAN RIGHT HERE MAY BE THE RESOURCE TO GATHER THAT INFORMATION. JUST TO HELP ANY OTHER FUTURE

ISSUES COMING UP. >>CHAIR BRIDGMAN: MR. NORTON.

>>HOWARD "BO" NORTON: ONE OTHER THING TOO.

I WILL ASK YOU TO HAVE A MEETING WITH THE CAC FOR MIDDLEBURGH IN LIGHT OF WHAT IS GOING ON TONIGHT.

I THINK THEY SHOULD BE INCLUDED IN THIS AS WELL.

>> WE DID HAVE A MEETING WITH THEM.

THEY SAID THEY ARE SUPPORTIVE. >> I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT THAT WAS PRIOR TO YOU COMING IN TONIGHT AND ALL THE COMMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE. SO I THINK IF YOU ARE GOING TO MEET WITH THE RESIDENTS, THE COUNCIL SHOULD ALSO KNOW WHAT IS

GOING ON. >>CHAIR BRIDGMAN: ANYTHING ELSE

FROM THE COMMISSION? >> THIS IS ACTUALLY A QUESTION FROM STAFF. HOW MUCH -- BECAUSE IN THE APPLICATION IT SAID ACCESS TO THE SITE WILL BE FROM BLANDING BOULEVARD, BUT IN THIS SITE PLAN, THEY HAVE GOT ACCESS FROM BLANDING, ALLIGATOR AND ROSEMARY.

I DON'T KNOW IF I AM -- IF I CAN OVERLY OBJECT THAT THAT BECAUSE A SHORT WAY OFF OF BLANDING BUT THEY SEEM INCONSISTENT WHEN WE LOOK AT THAT. IT IS JUST CONSISTENCY.

>> OKAY, NO PROBLEM. >>CHAIR BRIDGMAN: DO WE NEED A MOTION ON IS THIS? CAN WE HAVE A MOTION.

>> IT IS A CONTINUANCE MOTION. >>CHAIR BRIDGMAN: OKAY.

>> I MOVE CONTINUANCE OF THIS ITEM.

I CAN'T FIND THE NUMBER REAL QU

QUICK. >>CHAIR BRIDGMAN: NUMBER ONE ON

THE AGENDA. >> COMP 0723-0000.

MOVE CONTINUATION ON THE NEXT MEETING DECEMBER 5.

OR AS SOON THEREAFTER AS THAT MATTER CAN BE HEARD.

>> SECOND. >>CHAIR BRIDGMAN: WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION BY THE COMMISSION? ALL NOSE FAVE OF THE MOTION, PLEASE SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED, SAME SIGN.

MOTION CARRIES. SO THAT CONCLUDES THIS ITEM AND HOPEFULLY WE WILL SEE YOU NEXT MO

MONTH. >> MADAM CHAIR, COMMISSIONER NORTON SAID COMING BACK TO THE CAC.

MANY OF THESE ITEMS WILL BE TAKE IT MORE PALATABLE, LESS INTENSE WHAT THEY APPROVED WITH THE 7-0 VOTE TO RECOMMEND.

SO I WOULD -- MAYBE THERE COULD JUST BE AN INFORMATIONAL CONTACT

COURTESY CALL TO LET THEM KNOW. >> I WILL BE HONEST.

SOME OF THESE -- THE CONCERN OF THE HEIGHT WAS ONE OF THEIR CONCERNS OF SOME OF THE USES. WHEN WE TIGHTEN THEM UP THIS THOSE WERE THEIR CONCERNS AND THEY VOTED 7-0 AND SEND A

REVISED APPLICATION TO THEM. >>CHAIR BRIDGMAN: THANK YOU, THAT CONCLUDES ITEM 1 ON THE AGE

AGENDA. >> MADAM CHAIR, I WILL GO AHEAD AND MAKE THE SAME CONTINUANCE MOTION FOR THE ZONING ITEM.

>> YOUR NEXT MEETING IS. >>CHAIR BRIDGMAN: DECEMBER 5.

DO WE HAVE A SECOND ON THE ZONING? ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.

OPPOSED, SAME SIGN. MOTION CARRIES.

[2.  Public Hearing to consider application PUD 0823-00011. (District 2, Comm. Compere) (M.Brown)]

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BROWN, OUR ZONING CHIEF. >>MIKE BROWN: MADAM CHAIR AND BOARD, ITEM PUD-0700011. SUSAN FRAZIER IS SLF.

ZONING MAP FROM THREE PARCELS FROM BB 2 AND BA TO PC, PLANNED COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT. THE PLANNING DISTRICT IS DR.

LAKE RIDGEWOOD. IT IS IN DISTRICT TWO.

COME COMPERE'S DISTRICT. THIS WILL BE HEARD AT THE BOARD OF CLAY COUNTY COMMISSIONERS AT THEIR NOVEMBER 28 MEETING.

A LITTLE BACKGROUND, OF TWO THE PARCELS -- SUBJECT PARCELS ARE ZONED BA. TOGETHER TOTALING JUST OVER ONE ACRE. AND ONE PARCEL DESIGNATED PRESENTLY ZONED BB 2, WHICH IS JUST BELOW -- UNDER A HALF ACRE IN SIZE. CHANGING ALL THREE TO PLANNED COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT. THE LAND USE FOR ALL THREE PARCELS IS COMMERCIAL. SO IS THE REQUESTED PCD IS CONSISTENT WITH THE LAND USE DESIGNATION.

PARCELS HAVE APPROXIMATELY 200 FEET OF FRONTAGE ON BLAND ING TE SUBJECT PROPERTY -- PROPERTIES AND SOUTH BY PROPERTIES , WEST - ZONED BB. 37 AND WITH PROPERTY ZONED BB TO THE NORTH THE SITE IS PRIMARILY DEVELOPED WITH TWO STRUCTURES AND CURRENTLY HOUSE THE EXISTING CAICOS ROOFING BUSINESS. THE REQUEST OF THE ZONING IS EXPANSION OF THEEST IG ROOFING BUSINESS AT THIS LOCATION.

THIS SHOWS YOU THE EXISTING ZON ZONING. ON THE LEFT AND THE AERIAL ON THE RIGHT. THIS IS THE SURROUNDING ZONING WHICH IS ALL COMMERCIAL ZONING DISTRICTS AROUND THE PRESENT SUBJECT PARCELS. THE PCD WRITTEN STATEMENT LAYS OUT THE STANDARDS. WE JUST HAD A LENGTHY DISCUSSION ON THAT ON THE PREVIOUS SUBJECT. I WANT TO GO OVER SOME OF THOSE.

AS PROPOSED THE DEVELOPMENT IS LIMITED TO A MAXIMUM OF 12,000 SQUARE FEET. MAXIMUM BUILDING HEIGHT WILL BE 45 FEET. THE PROPOSED SETBACKS ARE 50 FEET IN THE FRONT, 30 ON THE SIDE.

AND 50 ON THE REAR. JUST TO POINT OUT, THOSE EXCEED WHAT THE SETBACKS WILL BE FOR A BASIC BB 4 ZONING DISTRICT.

THE USE IS USES PROPOSE READY CONTRIBUTE WITH THE PB-4 ZONING DISTRICT WITH THE EXCEPTION THAT AUTO REPAIR SHOPS AND ADULT ENTERTAINMENT USES ARE PROHIBITED.

THOSE TWO USES COULD NOT HAPPEN, BUT THE REST OF THE USES ALOWERED WOULD BE BEFORE POTENTIALLY COULD BE THERE.

HERE IS A PROPOSED SITE PLAN. FOR THE SITE.

AND IT IDENTIFIES WHERE THE -- WHERE THE SURROUNDING ZONING IS.

NORTH, SOUTH. AND BB AND YOU HAVE THE BB TO THE REAR AND ACROSS BLANDING. ALSO HAVE BB ZONING.

IN SUMMARY, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CHANGE OF ZONING AND I JUST NOTICED MY SLIDE IS WRONG, BUT IT IS A REQUEST TO CHANGE IN ZONING FROM BB AND BB AND PLANNED COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT FOR 1.45 ACRES. THE PROPOSED PCD ZONING IS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMMERCIAL FUTURE LAND USE.

STAFF IS REVIEWED THE APPLICATION AND DETERMINED THAT THE REQUEST IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING AREA.

STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF PUD 0823-00011 TO AMEND TWO PARCELS

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STAFF AT THIS POINT? >> DOES THE COMMISSION HAVE QUESTIONS? MR. NORTON.

>>HOWARD "BO" NORTON: MIKE, WHAT IS THE ACTUAL SETBACK REQUIRED?

YOU SAID THIS EXCEEDS? >>MIKE BROWN: I CAN LOOK IT UP

IF YOU GIVE ME A SECOND. >>HOWARD "BO" NORTON: SURE,

THANK YOU. >>MIKE BROWN: THE BB 4 SETBACKS AND AGAIN DEPENDS ON WHAT HAD THE ADJACENT ZONING IS.

IN THIS CASE, YOU HAVE COMMERCIAL ZONING ON BOTH SIDES SO THE SIDES WILL BE 15 FEET. ONE CAVEAT TO THAT.

IF A BUILDING COULD BE PLACED ON -- UP TO THE PROPERTY LINE IF THE STANDARDS FOR FIRE SUPPRESSION AND SEPARATION ARE MET CONSISTENT WITH THE FLORIDA BUILDING CODE.

WITH THAT 15 FEET ON THE SIDE. REAR IS 20 FEET.

AND THE FRONT IS. LET ME THINK THE MONTH IS 25

FEET. >>CHAIR BRIDGMAN: FURTHER QUESTIONS? AT THIS TIME, WE CAN HEAR FROM

THE APPLICANT. >> SOMEBODY LEFT THEIR NOTES.

GOOD EVENING, SUSAN FRAZER SOF CONSULTING.

I'M HERE REPRESENTING CAICOS HOLDING WHO DOES BUSINESS ON THIS PROPERTY. SIMILAR TO YOUR APPLICATION THAT YOU JUST HEARD, THIS IS AN EXISTING BUSINESS ON BLANDING BOULEVARD. AND THEY HAD THE INVESTMENT IN THEIR BUSINESS AND THE ROOFING INDUSTRY RIGHT NOW AND THEY ARE LOOKING TO EXPAND. THIS IS AN INVESTMENT IN THIS CORRIDOR AND IN THE EMPLOYMNT IN THE COUNTY.

SO WE ARE SURROUNDED BY THIS PROPERTY.

SURROUNDED BY BB ZONING, THE HIGHEST INTENSIVE ZONING THAT THE COUNTY HAS. YOU CAN'T HAVE THAT ZONING ANYMORE. TO THE SOUTH IS THE ACE HARDWARE. AND TO THE NORTH IS THE CAR WASH THAT YOU APPROVED NEARLY A YEAR OR SO AGO.

AREA OF CONTINUED INVESTMENT FOR J JOBS. A JOB CREATED EXPANSION.

AND SO IF I COULD BECAUSE OF THE DISCUSSION YOU HAD AT YOUR LAST HEARING, I WILL WALK THROUGH SOME OF THE COMMITMENTS WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO MAKE FOR THIS SITE PLAN.

WE HAVE A SITE PLAN. IF WE CAN LOOK AT THAT.

SO THIS IS THE SITE PLAN WE APPLIED.

WE SUBMITTED FOR AROUND APPLICATION.

WE WENT TO THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW COMMITTEE.

AND THE ONLY COMMENT THAT WAS MADE TO US WAS BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION, THE REQUIREMENT TO HAVE PLANTING OF TREES ALONG THE PERIMETER OF THE SITE, EVEN THOUGH WE HAD BB TO OUR NORTH AND BB TO OUR SOUTH. WE ACTUALLY SUBMITTED A REVISED SITE PLAN AND I THINK MIKE HAS THAT.

WE ARE ASKING THAT YOU APPROVE THIS REVISED SITE PLAN, WHICH ADDS A TEN-FOOT BUFFER TO THE NORTH BETWEEN US AND THE CAR WASH AND ADDS TREES IN THAT PARTICULAR LOCATION.

SO THIS SITE IS 1.45 ACRES. THE -- THE PROPOSAL IS TO REMOVE THE STRUCTURE THAT ARE THERE AND CONSTRUCT A SINGLE NEW BUILDING.

THE NEW BUILDING, WE ARE COMMITTED TO ARCHITECTURAL STANDARDS THAT ARE -- THAT ARE TAKEN FROM THE LAKE ASBURY STANDARDS. OF NOTE COMMIT TO MAKING COMMERCIAL GLASS UP FRONT. MORE LIKE A COMMERCIAL ESTABLISHMENT ALONG BLANDING INSTEAD OF A ROOFING COMPANY OR A PIPE COMPANY THAT MAY HAVE A MORE INDUSTRIAL USE.

SO WE ARE MAKING COMMITMENTS TO STUCCO AND BRICK AND VENEER BELOW. AND GLASS ABOVE.

AND ROOFING MATERIALS SHOULD BE METAL, TILE AND ARCHITECTURAL SHINGLES AND WE EMPLOY THE STANDARD, THE STANDARDS IN LAKE ASBURY TO BREAK UP THE FRONTAGE OF THE BUILDING SO IT IS NOT SOME REAL BIG MASSIVE FACADE.

WE COMMIT TO THE EXTERIOR LIGHTING STANDARDS OF THE LAKE ASBURY MASTER PLAN. WE PROVIDE PARKING IN EXECUTIVE SESSION SES OF WHAT IS REQUIRED. CAICOS ROOFING WILL TAKE 6,000 SQUARE FEET OF THE BUILDING WHICH IS THE MORN HALF, AND THEY PLAN TO OFFER TENANT SPACES FOR UP TO THREE INDIVIDUALS SOUTH OF THAT. THEY WILL HAVE ROLL-UP DOORS.

YOU SEE THE LOAD $SPACES SO THEY HAVE FIRE ACCESS AND CIRCULATION REQUIREMENTS. NO OUTDOOR STORAGE ALLOWED.

SO EVERYTHNG AT NIGHT GETS SGLIMD UP AND IT IS GOING TO BE A GOOD-LOOKING SITE. SO OUR GOAL WAS TO CREATE AS

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THE CODE REQUIRES THAT YOU DISTRIBUTE YOUR LANDSCAPING THROUGHOUT THE VEHICULAR USE AREA.

YOU GO TO PUBLIX, YOU SEE PARKING ISLANDS ALL OVER THE PLACE. HERE WE FELT THE INVESTMENT IN THAT SQUARE FOOTAGE WAS BEST MADE TO THE FRONT WHEN YOU DRIVE BY ON BLANDING, TREES ON BLANDING.

STORMWATER AT THE FRONT AND 40-FOOT GREEN SPACE BETWEEN US AND THE PARKING. YOU GET DOUBLE ROW OF TREES.

TREES IN PARKING AND THEN YOU GET A BUILDING.

THIS WAS A LOOK TO MAKE THIS LOOK AS -- AS NICE OF AN INVESTMENT THAT WE CAN MAKE IN THISPARTICULAR PART OF THE COUNTY. AND STILL MEET THE NEEDS OF THE TENANT FOR THE DEEP OF USE THAT THEY WOULD LIKE.

SO WE ARE HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE.

THE LANGUAGE THAT YOU SEE IS WHAT WE AMEND IT TO SAY AFTER IT WENT TO DRC. WHERE WE ARE SAYING THE COMMON USE BUFFER IS MET TO THE NORTH. AND THAT THE -- THAT THE 10% WILL BE DISTRIBUTED SPECIFICALLY ON THE SITE PLAN.

WHEREAS IN SOME -- IF YOU READ THE CODE DIRECTLY, YOU WILL HAVE TO DO SOME MORE DISTRIBUTION OF LESS LANDSCAPING IN THE FRONT AND MORE IN THE BACK. AND WE THOUGHT THERE WOULD BE A BETTER INVESTMENT ON THE PUBLIC PART OF THE PROPERTY.

SO MR. BRIGGS IS HERE. HE OWNS CAICOS ROOFING.

YOU DOESN'T REALLY WANT TO TALK TO YOU, BUT HE IS HAPPY TO ANSWER IF YOU HAVE ANY OF THEM ABOUT HIS BUSINESS AND THE CHOICES YOU WOULD LIKE TO MAKE. THANK YOU.

>>CHAIR BRIDGMAN: THANK YOU, RALPH.

>>RALPH PUCKHABER: I HAVE A QUESTION FOR MISS FRAZER.

YES, WE JUST HAD A BIG DISCUSS DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS.

CLARIFY FOR ME. UNLIKE THE ONE BEFORE THIS, A LOT OF THESE USES BECAUSE THIS IS MY NEIGHBORHOOD.

I AM FAMILIAR WITH THIS AREA MOST OF THESE USES ARE NOT A PROBLEM, ESPECIALLY ON BLANDING. WHAT IS ODD, LAWNMOWER RENTALS SALES AND SERVICE. THEN YOU SPECIFICALLY TALK A ABOUT. I GOT TO FIND IT BUT IT SAYS NO AUTOMOBILE REPAIR OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

THAT IS JUST AS NOISY AS AUTOMOBILE MOTIVE REPAIRS AND THEY ARE CRANKING THINGS UP AND TRYING TO FIX THEM.

THAT IS A LITTLE BIT INCONSISTENT.

THE OTHER THING IS -- AND I HATE THIS LANGUAGE, SIMILAR USES WITH LIMITED OR RETAIL SALES THAT IS IN PERMITTED USES IN SIMILAR IS A PROBLEM WORD, BUT ACCESSORY USES.

THEN IT SAYS RETAIL USES TO AN ACCESSORY TO PERMITTED USE.

THAT SEEMS TO COMPLETELY NULLIFY THE -- THE NO RETAIL SALES IN

THE PERMITTED USE. >> SIMILAR USES WITH LIMITED OR NO RETAIL. SO IT COULD HAVE NONE, MEANING IT COULD BE A BUSINESS THAT IS TOTALLY I DON'T KNOW, I DO SHEET METAL WORK AND PRODUCT THAT DELIVERS AND EMPLOYEES THAT WORK IN THE BUSINESS. THE PUBLIC NEVER COMES.

I CAN HAVE A ROOFING BUSINESS AND I'M HAVE A DISPLAY TO PICK THE KIND OF ROOFING THEY WANT. MIR MITTED TO NOT HAVE RETAIL.

MOSTLY -- THE BIG CAVEAT THAT IT IS ALL INDOOR.

NO REPAIRING CARS, LAWNMOWERS OR ANYBODY OUTSIDE.

THIS IS INTENDED TO BE AN INTERIOR USE.

THE CAR USE -- THE OWNER IS TRYING TO ACCOMMODATE WHAT HE SEES IN HIS MARKET IS PEOPLE LIKE HIM WHO ARE SMALL BUSINESSES HAVING A HARD TIME FINDING SPACE TO BE -- IN AN UPSCALE PLACE WHERE THERE IS NOT STUFF STACKED OUTSIDE A AND PALETTES AT THE FRONT DOOR WHERE THEY CAN INVITE THEIR CUSTOMER TO PICK ROOFING SUPPLIES AND PICK THINGS.

SO IT IS INTENDED TO ACCOMMODATE THAT KIND OF DICHOTOMY THAT BUSINESSES HAVE. IT IS SUPPOSED TO HAVE A RAIL NICE FRONT DOOR WITH GLASS WINDOWS AND PARKING LOT AND STILL ACCOMMODATE SOME OF THESE BUSINESSES THAT HAVE A HARD TIME FINDING A SPOT IN THE COUNTY THE WAY THE CODE WORKS.

>> WELL, THAT IS NOT A DEAL BREAKER ON THIS ONE, BUT A LITTLE INCONSISTENT. THE OTHER -- THE OTHER THING.

AND THIS IS PROBABLY TO STAFF. WHEN IT -- WHEN WE DO "AND SIMILAR USES." IS THAT A DIRECTOR'S DECISION IF IT IS A SIMILAR USE OR NOT? SO ED WOULD MAKE THAT DECISION?

>> EXACTLY. >> THAT'S ALL I HAVE.

>>CHAIR BRIDGMAN: OTHER QUESTIONS?

MICHAEL? >>MICHAEL BOURRE: I DON'T HAVE A WITH THE USES. APPLICATION WITH BLANDING NOT ABSORBING RESIDENTIAL. THIS TO ME IS A GREAT APPLICATION. THE ONLY OTHER THING I WANTED TO SAY IS MORE OF A COMMENT THAN A QUESTION.

THANK YOU FOR ADD MORGUE BUFFER THAN WHAT IS NEEDED.

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THANK YOU FOR DOING THAT. BECAUSE WE APPRECIATE THAT.

THANK YOU. >>CHAIR BRIDGMAN: OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT.

AT THIS TIME -- AT THIS TIME, WE WILL GO TO PUBLIC HEARING.

I DO NOT HAVE ANY CARDS ON THIS, BUT I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS ITEM. SEEING NO ONE, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. AND BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMISSION FOR DISCUSSION. EXCUSE ME --

>> MADAM CHAIR, IF I MAY, STAFF HAS REVIEWED THE PROPOSED CHANGE TO THE LANDSCAPE. AND WE DO NOT -- I WANT TO MAKE -- LET YOU KNOW THAT STAFF DID NOT HAVE A CONCERN WITH THAT

PROPOSED CHANGE. >> THAT LANGUAGE ISN'T IN THIS

YET? >> PARDON?

>> IS THAT LANGUAGE IN THERE OR NEED TO PUT IN THE MOTION.

>> IT IS NOT. IT CAME IN AFTER IT IT WENT OUT.

I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE YOU WERE AWARE THAT STAFF HAS TAKEN THE TIME TO REVIEW IT AND DID NOT HAVE ANY REAL ISSUES WITH

IT. >> MADAM CHAIR, IF YOU WERE

READY, I WILL MAKE A MOTION. >>CHAIR BRIDGMAN: I AM.

PLEASE PROCEED. >> I WILL MOVE THE STAFF'S REPORT ON THIS WITH THE AMENDMENT TO THE LANGUAGE WE

WERE PRESENTED WITH. >>CHAIR BRIDGMAN: WE HAVE A MOTION. IS THERE A SECOND?

>> SECOND. >> CAN YOU ALSO PLEASE ACCEPT THE AMENDED PUD SITE PLAN. THERE IS A PUD SITE SITE PLAN AMENDED AS WELL. CAN YOU PLEASE ACCEPT THAT.

>> LET ME RESTATE THE MOTION THEN.

RECOMMEND THE STAFF REPORT WILL WITH THE AMENDED LANGUAGE AND

SITE PLAN. >>CHAIR BRIDGMAN: THAT AMENABLE TO YOU? ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

ANY DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED, SAME SIGN, MOTION

[3.  Public Hearing to consider application PUD 0823-00010. (District 5, Comm. Burke) (M.Brown)]

WE WILL MOVE NOW TO ITEM 3 ON THE ONLY.

THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER PUD 0823-00010, PRINTED BY -- AGAIN, BY MIKE BROWN, OUR ZONING CHIEF.

>>MIKE BROWN: MADAM CHAIR, THIS APPLICATION IS -- THE APPLICANT IS KBM PROFESSIONAL OFFICE COMPLEX LLC.

KENNETH B. MCGILL, REPRESENTING THEM.

THE ASK IS A ZONING MAP CHANGE OF TWO PARCELS FROM PUD TO PUD.

IT IS IN THE PENNY FARM LAKEASBURY, DISTRICT 5, COMMISSIONER BURKE'S DISTRICT AND THIS WILL BE HEARD IN THE NOVEMBER 28 BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONER MEETING .THIS IS AN OLD PUD ORIGINALLY APPROVED IN 1985.

IT WAS CALLED THE POLANDER BRANCH PUD.

WITH THAT ADOPTION, THERE WAS A -- BE A ADDENDUM ADOPTED ON BEHALF THE APPROVAL OF THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS FOR THAT PROJECT. THIS REQUEST IS TO AMEND PART OF THOSE STANDARDS FOR TWO OF THE PARCELS WITHIN THE PUD.

I AM JUST -- HERE IS A MAP SHOWING THE -- THE ZONING, WHICH IS THE PUD -- THE POLANDER PUD IS PRIMARILY -- THERE IS SOUTH OF 218. THE TWO PARCELS THAT ARE SUBJECT OF TO THIS CHANGE WITHIN THE PUD IS OUTLINED ON THE AERIAL PHOTO IN YELLOW. I WILL TRY TO BE QUICK AND NOT GET BOGGED DOWN IN A LOT OF THE DETAILS.

SO -- BUT. WHAT -- WHAT THE REQUEST IS AND WHAT IS REQUESTED AND RECOMMENDED TO STAFF IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT AND GUILT OVER WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY SUBMITTED WAS CHANGES TO ITS TO THE PUD WHICH WILL SUBMIT FOR CHANGES OF THE PARCELS IN THE PUD. BUT THEY WERE ONLY INTERESTED IN APPLYING THE CHANGES TO THEIR TWO PARCELS.

THAT WAS THE CHANGE. ONE OF THE -- SO THE WORDING THAT STAFF IS RECOMMENDING LIMITS THE TWO PARCELS -- THE SUBJECT PARCELS OWNED BY THE APPLICANT WHICH TOTAL 3.2 ACRS

AND. >> I SPECIFICALLY CHANGES FOR

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THE THIRD VEHICLE INGRESS, EGRESS FROM COUNTY ROAD 18 WHICH WAS AT THE TIME OF THE APPROVAL, STATE ROAD 218 WILL BE CONSTRUCTED OBJECT THE -- ON THE UNIMPROVED RIGHT-OF-WAY AS SHOWN ON THE SURVEY AND THE PUBLIC RECORDS.

THE IMPROVED RIGHT-OF-WAY SHOULD ONLY ACCESS THE COMMERCIAL PROFESSIONAL OFFICES PHASE FOUR OF THE PUD ADDENDUM.

AND THIS SHOWS YOU -- YOU CAN SEE TO THE LEFT ON THE ROAD THAT COMES OFF OF 218 THAT IS THE SUBJECT RIGHT-OF-WAY THAT -- THAT THAT PARCEL -- THAT THAT RECOMMENDATION OR CHANGE REFERS T TO.

THE SECOND CHANGE TO PARAGRAPH 5 RESULTS WITH THE ORIGINAL PUD HD 105-FOOT BUFFER/SETBACK FROM THE CENTER LINE OF COUNTY ROAD -- STATE ROAD 18. THAT WAS -- THERE WAS SOME PROBLEMS WITH THAT AT THE DRC, BECAUSE NO ONE EVEN AT THE TIME OUR ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT WASN'T EXACTLY SURE WHERE THAT CENTER LINE OF THEN STATE ROAD 18 LIES.

SO WE -- WITH THE APPLICANT REQUESTED AT LEAST DEFINING THAT MORE SUCCINCTLY. AND SO THEY HAVE -- THEY HAVE PROPOSED SOME WORDING .WE WENT BACK AND FORTH AND WHAT WE CAME UP WITH IS WHAT YOU SEE HERE. WHICH WOULD REQUIRE A 15-FOOT LANDSCAPE BUFFER, THE PROPERTY LINE ON THE SOUTH -- WHICH IS NORTH OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY AND SOUTH OF COUNTY ROAD 18 SHALL BE PROVIDED AND DEFINING WHAT -- WHAT WILL BE -- WHAT LANDSCAPING WILL BE REQUIRED WITHIN THAT SETBACK AREA.

AND WHAT WE INCLUDED IS WHAT I -- WHAT WE -- WHAT WE REQUIRE FOR OTHER -- OTHER FRONTAGES TO ROADWAYS.

AND IT IS LANDSCAPE BUFFER SHALL INCLUDE FISH AND CANOPY TREES TO AT LEAST BE SIX POINTS PER 100 LI LINEAR FOOT AND FRACTION THEREOF IN SECTION 61, FAR GRAPH 8.

THAT SHOULD PROBABLY REFER TO AND SPECIFICALLY OF ARTICLE SIX, OUR LANDSCAPE STANDARDS AND ARRANGE FEES THAT ARE CONTRIBUTED ALONG THE DISTANCE. LANDSCAPING WILL INCLUDE A MASONRY WALL AND A HEDGE THAT IS MAINTAINED 38 TO 40 INCHES OF HEIGHT. EDGES MINIMUM OF 24 INCHES ABOVE GRADE AT THE TIME OF THE PLANTING.

AND SPACING NO MORE THAN 36 INCHES APART AND MAINTAIN -- CONTINUOUS VISUAL SCREEN 30 INCHES IN HEIGHT ABOVE GRADE.

THE REMAINDER OF THE REQUIRED LANDSCAPE AREA WILL BE LANDSCAPED WITH TURF GRASS AROUND CLOUD COVER AND OTHER LANDSCAPE MATERIALS. AS I INDICATED THIS IS OUR STANDARD -- FOR OTHER PROJECTS IN THE SAME SITUATION SO I KNOW IT IS A LITTLE WORDY AND SOUNDS SOMEWHAT CONFUSING AND HARD TO FOLLOW, BUT IT IS WHAT -- IT IS WHAT IS IN THE CODE TODAY FOR OTHER PROJECTS THAT ARE COMING IN.

SO STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THOSE TWO CHANGES TO THE PUD, AND, AGAIN, THESE WOULD BE SPECIFIC LOW TO THOSE TWO PARCELS. THE REST THE OTHER PARCELS IN THE PROBABLY WILL HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THE ADDENDUM AS ADOPTED IN 19 6. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU PROBABLY

HAVE QUESTIONS FOR STAFF. >>CHAIR BRIDGMAN: QUESTIONS?

>> THE ONLY ONE I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY.

ARE WE CHANGING ANY USES HERE? >> NO, THE USES STAY THE SAME.

>> THE USES ARE THE SAME. WE ARE JUST CHANGING ACCESS.

>> CLARIFYING THE ACCESS. THAT ACCESS -- THE ORIGINAL PUD

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END OF THE PROPERTY. >> CAN I ASK HIM A QUESTION?

>>CHAIR BRIDGMAN: SURE, MICHAEL. >>MICHAEL BOURRE: MR. BROWN, CAN YOU PULL UP THE LAST PARAGRAPH BEFORE WE CLICKED OUT .IT WAS DEALING WITH THE LANDSCAPE BUFFER.

>>MIKE BROWN: THIS? >>MICHAEL BOURRE: MY QUESTION IS THE SECOND TO LAST SENTENCE. AND A QUESTION ABOUT COUNTY POLICY. SAYS WITHIN ONE YEAR, THE HEIGHT -- THE GROWING HEIGHT OF THE LANDSCAPE PLANT WILL REACH ELEVATION. DOES THAT EVER GET CHECKED?

>> I DIDN'T. >> SOMEBODY FROM THE COUNTY IS

GOING OUT IN. >>MIKE BROWN: I CAN'T GUARANTEE YOU 1100% OF THE TIME, BUT WE HAVE STAFF THAT GOES OUT AND WE TRY TO GUARANTEE THAT IT GETS -- MEETING WHAT IS REQUIRED.

I -- >>MICHAEL BOURRE: BEARS ASKING.

IT COMES BEFORE US. >>MIKE BROWN: WE ATTEMPT TO.

I CAN'T GUARANTEE THAT WE LET IT 100%.

BUT WE ATTEMPT TO. >>CHAIR BRIDGMAN: OTHER QUESTIONS? IF NOT, WE ARE HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT. PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND

ADDRESS. >> KENNY MCGILL, 2544 HIDDEN RIVER DRIVE. I HAVE BEEN IN CLAY COUNTY FOR

34 YEARS. >> RAISE THE MIC.

>> I APPRECIATE YOU TAKING THE TIME TO LOOK AT ME.

MIKE DID A GREAT JOB -- THANKS, MIKE.

EXPLAIN WHAT IT WAS. IT IS REALLY NOT COMPLICATED.

A PUD THAT IS NOT CHANGING ZONING OR ANYTHING ELSE.

IT IS SIMPLY -- AN ADDENDUM TO THE PUD.

1958. 105-FOOT SETBACK.

AND WE ESTABLISHED THE SAME SETBACK THAT THE OTHER BUSINESSES ON THE SIDES HAVE. AND PRESIDENT REQUIREMENTS FOR THE BUFFERING AND LANDSCAPING. WE FULLY EXPECT TO ABIDE BY THAT. IT IS MEDICAL OFFICE BUILDINGS.

REAL NICE STRUCTURES. ALL STUCCO AND GLASS.

THE DESIGN HAS BEEN THROUGH THE COUNTY AND LOOKED AT AND APPROVED. THE DRAINAGE IS ALL ON THE -- ON

THE PLOT. >>CHAIR BRIDGMAN: ANY QUESTIONS

FOR MR. MCGILL? >> SOUNDS LIKE AN EASY ONE.

>> THANK YOU. >>CHAIR BRIDGMAN: ARE WE READY FOR A MOTION? EXCUSE ME.

OPENING THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD.

ANYONE HERE TO SPEAK TO THIS ITEM? I DON'T HAVE ANY CARDS OTHER THAN MR. MCGILL.

SEEING NO ONE, I WILL CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING.

AND NOW ASK IF WE ARE READY FOR A MOTION.

>> I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE STAFF

RECOMMENDATION. >> CLARIFICATION.

DOES THAT MOTION NEED TO INCLUDE THE CHANGES THAT ARE NOT IN

HERE? >> NO.

BECAUSE THAT IS PART -- >> IT IS WRITTEN INTO THE

APPLICATION. >>CHAIR BRIDGMAN: OKAY.

SO I BELIEVE MR. NORTON SECONDED THAT.

ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.

[4.  Public Hearing to consider adoption of COMP-0823-00010 and ZON-0823-00020. (District 1, Comm. Cella)(D. Selig)]

NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA, ITEM NUMBER 4, PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER COMP-0823-0010. AND ZON-0823-00020.

AND DOTY SELIG, OUR CHIEF PLANNER WILL PRESENT THIS.

>> AS THIS AS YOU SAID IT WAS TWO APPLICATIONS FOR ONE PROJECT. AND THE ITEMS WILL GO TO THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS NOVEMBER 28.

THE APPLICANT IS JOHN LEVERETT TO LBO ENTERPRISES.

7063 ARTIST ROAD IN FLEMING ISLAND.

COMMISSIONER CELLA'S DISTRICT 1. THE FUTURE LAND USE APPLICATION WHICH IS THAT ONE WILL CHANGE A PORTION OF THE PARCEL FROM RURAL FRINGE TO COMMERCIAL. THE ZONING APPLICATION LOO WOULD

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THE PROPERTIES IN YELLOW ON THIS AERIAL AND OUTLINED ON THE LOCATION MAP ON THE RIGHT. THE FUTURE ST. LOUIS.

A COMMERCIAL SETBACK OF FUTURE LAND USE ALONG HIGHWAY 17 AND CONSISTENT, I THE EXACT DISTANCE IN, BUT LIKE A LOT OF OUR CODES, IT IS X NUMBER OF FEET IN FROM THE HIGHWAY.

AND THEY JUST KIND OF RUN IT LIKE THAT.

UNFORTUNATELY, IT BISECTS THE PARCEL ON THE ANGLE.

ON THE LEFT IS THE EXISTING AND ON THE RIGHT IS THE PROPOSED CHA CHANGE.

THIS MAP IS THE ZONING, AND, AGAIN, THE ZONING IS ALSO BISECTED WITH THE GRAY BEING THE -- BEING THE BB ZONING AND THE BLUE BEING THE RESIDENTIAL ZONING.

ON THE LEFT HERE IS THE -- THE SURVEY -- A LITTLE BLUR.

I AM SORRY, BUT SHOWS THE SITE NOW.

PULL OUT THE LITTLE CLICKER. YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE IS A BUILDING ON THE LEFT. IN THE AERIAL ON THE RIGHT, YOU CAN KIND OF MAKE IT OUT. LIKE THE ONLY CLEARED SPOT THAT IS ADJACENT TO -- I WILL USE THE AERIAL.

I DON'T WANT TO ZAP YOUR HEAD USING THE DRAWING.

BUT THE EXISTING BUILDING IS HERE.

AND THIS IS -- THIS IS -- THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY NEXT DOOR.

SO A HOUSE AND THEN A -- THEN A GARAGE, ACCESSORY BUILDING.

SO I WANTED TO TALK TO YOU A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE ZONING DISTRICT USES. AND A LITTLE CONFUSION AND I SUSPECTED IT MAY PLAY OUT IN THE PUBLIC AND POSSIBLY THE BOARD AS WELL. THE NAME OF THE BB DISTRICT IS IMMEDIATE BUSINESS DISTRICT. THE PROPOSED DISTRICT BB-4 IS CALLED HEAVY INDUSTRY. RIGHT.

HEAVY COMMERCIAL. SO LOGIC WOULD SAY THAT BB 4 WILL BE MORE INTENSE THAN THE BB AS AN IMMEDIATE; HOWEVER, THE REALITY IS, SORT OF INVERTED. BB IS OUR MOST INTENSE ZONING COMMERCIAL DISTRICT. ALLOWS EVERYTHING IN BB 4.

PLUS THREE USES, NIGHTCLUBS, SERVICE STATIONS AND RESTAURANTS THAT SERVE ALCOHOL. SO I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT. AND THE APPLICANT FALLS UNDER THE SHOPS PERFORMING. AND ON THE RIGHT COLUMN, BECAUSE IT IS A PLUMBING BUSINESS. AND THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY.

THEY ARE PROPOSING TO ADD A SECOND BUILDING, ABOUT 2200 SQUARE FEET FOR THEIR COMMERCIAL PLUMBING BUSINESS.

THEY WANT TO RELOCATE. THEY ARE CURRENTLY IN FLEMING ISLAND ON ANOTHER LOCATION AND THEY WANT TO BUILD ON THIS PROPERTY, SPAEPD SPECIFICALLY ON THE BACK SIDE OF THE PROPERTY WHERE THEY CURRENTLY GOT THE RESIDENTIAL ZONING.

MORE OR LESS RIGHT NEXT TO THE GARAGE BUILDING THAT THE NEIGHBORS HAVE AT THE BACK OF THEIR PROPERTY.

STAFF HAS GONE THROUGH THE CRITERIA OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THE REZONING APPLICATION AND FEEL THEY HAVE BEEN MET AND ARE RECOMMENDING PAY APPROVAL OF BOTH COMP 0823-10 AND ZON-0823-20. IN ADDITION, READ YOU HAD THE ITEM THAT WENT TO THE FLEMING ISLAND CITIZENS ADVISORY COMMITTEE. AND THEY MADE THE RECOMMENDATION AND RECOMMENDED APPROVAL WITH THE FOLLOWING CHANGES/COMMENTS.

COMMITTEE RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF THE APPLICATION, THE COMMITTEE'S STRONG -- AND THAT WAS IN ALL CAPITAL -- RECOMMENDATIONS, A STIPULATION BE PUT IN PLACE WHATEVER THE MEANS CAUSE THE LEAST HARDSHIP FOR THE APPLICANT THAT ADULT APPLICATION OF SEXUALLY ORIENTED BUSINESS BE PROHIBITED FOR

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ADULT ENTERTAINMENT BUSINESSES HAVE TO MEET CERTAIN LOCATION REQUIREMENTS. AND ONE OF THOSE IS A DISTANCE FROM A CHURCH. ONE OF THOSE IS A DISTANCE FROM RESIDENTIAL ZONED PROPERTY. AND THAT PARCEL WOULD NOT MEET THAT LOCATION DISTANCE FOR EITHER OF THOSE CRITERIA.

I RESPECT WHAT THEY ARE TRYING TO ADDRESS, BUT -- I AM SORRY --

>> I DIDN'T EVEN IN INTERRUPT. APOLOGIZE FOR INTERRUPTING.

WILL NOT MEET THE REQUIREMENTS. THE RESIDENCE, 1,000 FEET.

>> 1,000 FROM A RESIDENTIAL ZONED PROPERTY.

500 FROM A CHURCH. A CHURCH ACROSS THE STREET ACROSS 17. LITERALLY THE PARCEL NEXT DOOR IS RESIDENTIAL ZONED. COULD YOU HAVEN'T IT THERE ANYWAY. SO, YES, EXACTLY.

BECAUSE THAT IS NOT LIKE A PID OR PCD WHERE YOU CAN ELIMINATE A USE. THIS IS A STRAIGHT ZONING AND YOU HAVE TO ACCEPT THE, BUT I WANT TOPPED CLARIFY THAT -- ALL OF THOUGH IT IS AN UNDERSTANDABLE CONCERN.

IT DOESN'T APPLY IN THIS CASE JUST TO LET PEOPLE'S MINDS AT

EASE. >> APOLOGIES FOR INTERRUPTING.

>> QUITE ALL RIGHT. IT WAS THE END.

>>CHAIR BRIDGMAN: QUESTIONS FOR MISS SELIG? AT THIS TIME, WE CAN HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT.

IF THE APPLICANT IS PRESENT. AND WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK.

>> I'M JOHN LEVERETT, 1840 DENMARK DRIVE.

FLEMING ISLAND. WE PURCHASED THIS PROPERTY AS DODI SAID FOR RELOCATING OUR SMALL FAMILY OWNED PLUMBING BUSINESS WHICH WE CURRENTLY LEASE SPACE IN FLEMING ISLAND IN THE TOWN CENTER. THE INDUSTRIAL PARK AREA NEXT TO THE LIBRARY IF YOU KNOW WHERE THAT IS.

WHEN THIS CAME UP FOR SAIL, WE WANTED TO SAY ON FLEMING ISLAND AND LOOKED LIKE A GREAT SPOT. IT WAS ADVERTISED AS COMMERCIAL AND WE JUMP $ON THAT. DOING OUR DUE DILIGENCE, GAME ACROSS THE FACT THAT THIS THING WAS SPLIT THROUGHOUT MIDDLE WHICH WAS A LITTLE BIT ODD BECAUSE THE EXISTING STRUCTURE ON THERE IS ACTUALLY A COMMERCIAL -- IT IS AN OFFICE BUILDING. NOT A RESIDENCE.

AND IT IS ON THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE.

THE PRIOR OWNER TOLD US THAT THERE HAVE BEEN SOME EFFORT TO CHANGE IT IN THE PAST, AND THEY THOUGHT IT GONE THROUGH AND EVIDENCED BY THE FACT THAT WAS PERMITTED AS A COMMERCIAL BUILDING. ANYWAY AFTER LOOK CAN THROUGH ALL THAT, WE PRETTY MUCH DECIDE WE WOULD LIVE WITH IT AS IS AND BUILD TOWARD THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY IF WE HAD TO.

SIGNED LIKE A BETTER OPTION FOR EVERYBODY ALL AROUND.

PUTS THE BUILDING IN THE BACK. THERE IS A VERY LARGE OAK TREE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PROPERTY THAT WOULD -- BE ABLE TO BE SAVED IF WE PUT IT IN THE PACK OF THE BUILDING VERSUS IN THE FRONT. SEEMED LIKE THE BEST OPTION FOR EVERYBODY ALL AROUND. AND ANYWAY, I AM KIND OF NEW THIS-TO-THIS PROCESS AND SEEMS LIKE THERE IS A FOCUS ON THESE -- AND PUTTING SPECIFIC USES IN THERE.

UP PROBABLY COULD HAVE DONE THAT.

BUT NOT KNOWING BETTER. SO ANY ANY QUESTIONS ON --

>>CHAIR BRIDGMAN: ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. LEVERETT?

>> I JUST HAD ONE. WHAT KIND OF BUSINESS?

>> PLUMBING. >> YOU DO MUCH AFTER -- IN THE EVENING? PRETTY MUCH CLOSED?

>> YEAH, WE ARE -- WE ARE A MIX OF SERVICE AND NEW CONSTRUCTION, BUT REGULAR HOURS AND MY SON IS THE MAIN PLUMBER.

ESPECIALLY TAKES HIS TRUCK HOME IF HE HAS AFTER HOUR CAUSE AND GOES STRAIGHT FROM HIS HOUSE BUT KNOWS AREN'T FROM HE CANNILY.

>>CHAIR BRIDGMAN: MICHAEL. >>MICHAEL BOURRE: FIRST OF ALL, YOU ARE DOING A GREAT JOB. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT. THE QUESTION PIGGYBACKS ON COMMISSIONER FUKZ. DO YOU DO ANY MANUFACTURING IN YOUR PLUM BIGGS OR THE RAW MATERIALS.

YOU SEND THE GUYS OUT AND THEY DO THEIR ROUGH END, TOP OFF.

>> PRIMARILY STORAGE DELIVERY OF MATERIAL FROM OUR VENDORS AND SO FORTH. BUT NO -- DURING THE DAY, IF WE HAD AN OFFICE PERSON, WHEN WE HOPEFULLY GET THERE.

BUT THAT WOULD BE -- YOU KNOW, THE ONLY ACTIVITY ON-SITE DURING THE DAY. CURRENTLY WHEN WE PURCHASE THE PROPERTY, THERE IS ACTUALLY A ROAD MAINTENANCE COMPANY THAT IS THERE WORKING OUT OF IT NOW. WE HAVE COME TO AN AGREEMENT WITH THEM RECENTLY TO FIND -- THEY ARE MOVING TO ANOTHER PROPERTY HAND THIS WILL DECREASE THE ACTIVITY ON THE PROPERTY.

>>MICHAEL BOURRE: THE CONCERN -- AND I AM SURE COMMISSIONER PUCKHABER SHARES THE SAME, THE PROXIMITY TO THE RESIDENTIAL.

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>> YOU KNOW, THE -- >> THE CHANGE ACTUALLY IMPROVL PROVES THIS SITUATION. BECAUSE WE ACTUALLY PUT THE BUILDING IN THE FRONT AS STANDS TODAY THAT WOULD BE CLOSER TO HIS HOUSE IF WE MOVED IT TO THE BACK.

I DID MAKE CONTACT WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER AND EXPLAINED.

HE DIDN'T GIVE ME A THUMBS UP, BUT I THINK HE IS HERE.

SO -- ANYWAY, HE SEEMED AMENABLE.

I DON'T WANT TO PUT WORDS IN HIS MOUTH.

. >> THANK YOU.

>>CHAIR BRIDGMAN: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE OWN?

>> WITHOUT ME HAVING TO LOOK THIS UP, I JUST WANT TO ASK STAFF, WHAT IS THE SETBACK ON THIS ONE AGAINST THE RESIDENTIAL? PAUSE IT IS A 80-FOOT LOT.

YOU WILL LOSE SOME OF THAT TO BUFFER AND SETBACK?

IS IT 25 FEET? >> I BELIEVE IT WAS 15 FEET, BUT ACTUALLY IF YOU GO BACK TO THE PICTURE, THE EXISTING STRUCTURE THAT IS THERE WILL BE THE CLOSEST THING TO HIS HOUSE.

HAND THIS IS ALREADY 10 OR 15 FEET OFF THE PROPERTY.

>> SHOW US WHERE IS THAT BUILDING IS GOING.

>> AND WHAT IS THE SETBACK OR THE BUFFER GOING TO SHALL? 25 FEET? BECAUSE IT IS RESIDENTIAL OR 20? IT IS 25. YEAH.

I THINK IT IS 25. OKAY.

I JUST WANTED TO -- AND YOU ARE AWARE OF THAT.

THAT DOESN'T EFFECT THE OTHER BUILDING BECAUSE IT GETS GRANDFATHERED IN. IG NEW YOU DO WILL HAVE TO MEET THAT. OKAY.

>>CHAIR BRIDGMAN: ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT, LET'S OPEN THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD ON THIS ONE.

AND I DO NOT HAVE ANY CARDS ON THIS PARTICULAR APPLICATION.

IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WANTED TO SPEAK TO IT? SEEING NO ONE. I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT.

AND BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMISSION FOR DISCUSSION OR A MOTION. OR BOTH.

>> THIS IS SOMEWHAT OF A COMMERCIAL NODE OUT THERE.

I MEAN, WE GOT THAT AUTO REPAIR SHOP THAT HAS BEEN OUT THERE SINCE NOAH BUILT HIS ARK. THAT IS HOW LONG THAT MASS BEEN OUT THERE. THE ONLY CONCERN -- AND DODI SATISFIED MY REQUIREMENT ON B-2 WHICH WAS THE ADULT ENTERTAINMENT STUFF. IF IT EVER TURNED, I WOULD HATE TO SEE THAT FOR SEXUALLY-ORIENTED BUSINESS RIGHT NEXT TO RESIDENTIAL, BUT IF THAT IS OKAY.

THE ONLY OTHER QUESTION I HAVE GOT, IF WE ARE FOCUS AND PLUMBING, WHY DO WE HAVE A COMPLETE LIBRARY OF USESES FROM FLEA MARKETS, LAWNMOWERS AND ALL OF THOSE STUFF.

IT SEEMS LIKE IT WILL BE MORE DEFINITIVE OF WHAT WE WANT TO DO BACK THERE OPPOSED TO JUST A BIG BROAD BRUSH OF USES IF THE EVENT THAT YOU EVER DID SELL A PROPERTY OR DECIDE TO MOVE FURTHER SOUTH BECAUSE GROWTH IS GOING AWAY.

THAT IS MY ONLY CONCERN. OUTSIDE OF THAT, I THINK IT IS A FIT FOR THE BUSINESS THAT HE IS INTEND IT TO DO.

AND FOR THE RESIDENT BEHIND IT HAS NO OBJECTION TO IT, I HAVE

NO OBJECTIONS EITHER. >>CHAIR BRIDGMAN: FURTHER

COMMENTS OR DISCUSSION? >> I WILL WAIT UNTIL AFTER THE VOTE. I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF.

>> I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE STAFF REPORT.

>> I WILL SECOND. WHEELCHAIR DHARZ ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? THIS IS ON THE LAND USE.

WE WILL START WITH LAND USE. >> THANK YOU FOR THAT.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED, SAME SIGN.

MOTION CARRIES. NOW DO THE ZONING PORTION.

>> I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE. >> SECOND.

>>CHAIR BRIDGMAN: ANY DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.

ANY OPPOSED, SAME SIGN. MOTION CARRIES.

THAT CONCLUDES THIS ITEM. ON THE AGENDA.

THE FINAL ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS PUBLIC HEARING TO CONS CONSIDER COMP-0923-00011. EXCUSE ME, IS IT YOU WANT TO SAY

SOMETHING? >> I WILL WAIT FOR EVERYTHING IS OVER -- NEW BUSINESS. GENERAL QUESTION.

[5.  Public Hearing to consider adoption of COMP-0923-00011 (District 5, Comm. Burke) (B. Carson)]

>>CHAIR BRIDGMAN: SORRY. >> NO PROBLEM.

>>CHAIR BRIDGMAN: THIS A PUBLIC HEARING TO CONS

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>> BETH CARSON: THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.

THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY. WILLIAM A. NELSON.

WILLIAM E. NELSON. PROPERTY PRAISER WILLIAM E.

NELSON. THE AGENCY IS DAVID PEPPER.

A SMALL LAND USE AMOUNT OF 3.3.8 ACRES FROM RURAL FRINGE TO INDUSTRIAL AND NOVEMBER 28 AT 5 P.M.

THE LOCATION OF THE PROPERTY IS -- THREE PARCELS THAT ARE LOCATED ON THE EAST SIDE OF STATE ROUTE 16 BY THE BAY YARD CONSERVATION AREA AND THE SHANDS BRIDGE.

THE PARCELS ARE -- THE PARCELS AND MOST OF THE I HAVE A JAY SENT PARCELS WERE DEVELOPED IN THE 50S AND 60S AS RESIDENTIAL.

TWO OF THE HOMES HAVE SINCE BEEN -- TWO OF THE LOTS HAVE SINCE BEEN BUILT IN THE 2000 RANGE MOBILE MARINE IS TO THE WEST OF THE PARCEL. THIS ONE HAS A LOT OF BACKSTORY TO IT. SO WHEN THE APPLICANT APPROACHED THE PLANNING STAFF, THERE WAS SOME INITIAL RESEARCH THAT FOUND THAT THE SUBJECT PARCELS AND FOUR OTHERS WERE ZONED TO INDUSTRIAL BACK IN 1988, BY ORDINANCE 88-5.

THIS, HOWEVER, WAS NOT REFLECTED ON THE ZONING MAP.

SO WHEN THE DIGITAL VERSION OF THE ZONING MAP WAS CREATED, THIS WAS NOT EVER TRANSFERRED INTO OUR CURRENT GIS SYSTEM.

SO IS THE PAPER LAND USE MAPS AT THE TIME DID NOT GIVE AN INDICATION CLEARLY OF THAT THERE WAS INDUSTRIAL LAND USE.

PROPERTY ZONED BY ORDINANCE AND WE HAD AN ORDINANCE TO DETERMINE THAT AND LAND USE WAS INCONCLUSIVE.

THAT IS WHY WE SUGGESTED THAT A INDUSTRIAL REQUEST.

BECAUSE WE NEED THAT CLARIFIED. SO THE APPLICANT WOULD LIKE TO DEVELOP THE PROPERTY FOR STACKED BOAT STORAGE WITH ACCESS TO THE ST. JOHN'S RIVER. LET ME BACK UP ON THIS.

SO THE MAP ON THE LEFT IS ACTUALLY FROM THAT ORDINANCE.

8852. AND SO THIS IS SHOWING THAT THE INDUSTRIAL APPLIES TO ALL THE PARCELS FROM THE IB OVER TO ONE ROW EAST OF OWENS. AND THE MAP ON THE RIGHT, WHICH IS A LITTLE BLURRY, I APOLOGIZE, IS THE CURRENT ZONING MAP BECAUSE WE HAVE SINCE HAD THE ORDINANCE VERIFIED.

WE CHECKED WITH OUR SURVEY STAFF.

AND WE ARE CLEAR THAT PARCEL -- THOSE PARCELS WERE ZONED TO INDUSTRIAL. SO MOBRO IS THE LARGE PIECE TO THE LEFT AND A PURPLE PIECE AND YOU WILL SEE THE GREEN PIECE.

THAT IS MOBRO. A RESIDENTIAL HOUSE AND UP TO 15 IS A MONDAY. INCORPORATED IN THE FACILITY AND BEING USED FOR BASICALLY INDUSTRIAL.

THE MAP ON THE LEFT THE IS EXISTING LAND USE.

THE ENTIRE AREA IT RURAL FRINGE. WE DON'T HAVE AND INDICATION IT IS CHANGED FOR LAND USE OR INDUSTRIAL AND PACK IN THE LATE 80S AND THINGS ARE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.

THE MAP ON THE RIGHT IS AT AERIAL AND MAY BE DIFFICULTY TO SEE THAT MOBRO IS RIGHT NEXT TO IT.

BUT IT IS ALL THE WAY UP TO KELSEY ROAD IS MOBRO.

AND FOR ANALYSIS, THE MAXIMUM INTENSITY WOULD BE A 50% FLOOR AIR I DON'T RATIO BASED ON THE ACREAGE 83,200 SQUARE FEET OF INDUSTRIAL. TRIP GENERATION FROM HEAVY 57 P.M. PEAK HOUR. PARCELS SERVED BY WELL AND SEPTICS IN THIS AREA. SOLID WASTE, ADEQUATE CAPACITY WITHIN THE COUNTY FOR SOLID WASTE.

COOLS AND RECREATION ARE NOT IMPACTED.

THE SITE IS NOT LOCATED WITHIN A FLOODWAY AND WILL NOT HAVE IMPACT TO REGIONAL SIGNIFICANT HABITATS.

THE STRUCTURES AS I MENTIONED EARLIER.

THE STRUCTURES ON THESE PARCELS AS WELL AS THE ADJACENT PARCELS WERE BUILT IN THE '50SS AND '60S AND NO ELIGIBILITY FOR NATIONAL REGISTER OF HISTORIC PLACES ACCORDING THE MASTER SITE FILE.

THEY ARE MAINLY OLD STRUCTURES. THE PARCEL IS NOT LOCATED IN THE NOISE IMPACT AREA. LIKE CAMP BLANDING THAT WE ALWAYS HAVE TO LOOK AT. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING THIS

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ZONING OF IB THAT WAS GRANTED IN 1988 AND WILL BE COMPATIBLE TO THE MOBRO MARINE TO THE LEFT. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL.

DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? >>CHAIR BRIDGMAN: QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? WHY HE.

>> JUST A COLLAR 23I OCCASION ON THE MAP.

BETH, IT LOOKS LIKE A LITTLE STRIP OF LAND BETWEEN STATE ROAD 16 16 AND THIS PARCEL. IS THAT NOT INCLUDED IN THIS APPLICATION? THE MAP ON THE LEFT -- THESE ARE ALL RESIDENTIAL PARCELS. THERE IS ONE OUT IN FRONT.

I BELIEVE THAT IS THE ONE YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT.

IT IS NOT INCLUDED IN THIS APPLICATION.

IT IS A SEPARATE RESIDENTIAL LOT.

>> OKAY. >> AND IS THERE A -- YOU KNOW, THERE IS -- THERE IS A REZONING PIECE TO THIS AT SOME POINT.

>> NO, IT WAS REZONED. THIS ONLY A LAND USE CHANGE.

>>CHAIR BRIDGMAN: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?

>> BETH, WHAT IS TO THE WEST OF THIS PARCEL.

IT IDENTIFIES AS RURAL FRINGE BUT WHAT IS PHYSICALLY ON IT

RIGHT NOW. >> THERE IS A POND THAT MOBRO USES TO THE FRONT OF 16 AND THEN A HOUSE.

THEY ARE USING -- I AM NOT SURE EXACTLY HOW THEY ARE USING THE

HOUSE SIMILAR TO IMC. >> NO RESIDENTIAL UNITS OUTSIDE

OF THAT ONE HOUSE? >> THEY MAY HAVE SOMEONE LIVING IN THE RESIDENTIAL UNIT AS SECURITY FOR MOBRO, BUT PART OF

THEIR FACILITY. >> ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU.

>>CHAIR BRIDGMAN: OTHER QUESTIONS? IF NOT, AT THIS TIME, WE WILL HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT.

>> MY NAME IS DAVID PEPPER. I LIVE AT 340 OAK RIDGE TRAIL, ST. AUGUSTINE, FLORIDA. THE PROPERTY MENTIONED DOES BORDER DIRECTLY ON ONE SIDE WITH MOBRO, WHICH IS, OF COURSE, ALL THE CRANE BOOMS AND SO FORTH STICKING UP IN THE AIR.

WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO DO IS BUILD A DRY BOAT STORAGE FACILITY IN THERE. AS MOST PEOPLE ARE AWARE, ABOUT 10% OF THE FLORIDA POPULATION OWN AS BOAT.

AND WITH THE EXPANSION OF HOUSING PLANNED FOR CLAY COUNTY, IF SOMEBODY PUT IN 10,000 HOUSES, THAT WOULD BE 1,000 BOATS THAT WOULD NEED TO BE STORED.

MOST OF THE HRNGZOAS NOW DON'T ALLOW STORAGE IN THE YARDS AND SO FORTH SO WE SEE A REAL DEMAND OUT THERE FOR THIS.

THERE IS NOT ANY ANY OTHER FACILITY LIKE THIS IN THE DIRECT AREA. WE THINK IT WOULD SERVICE THE COMMUNITY WELL. YOU GO OVER TO ST. AUGUSTINE AND THOSE PLACES, BOAT STORE RAGES THERE, YOU HAVE A LONG, LONG LIST OF PEOPLE WANTING TO STACK THEIR BOAT.

IT WOULD BE A FACILITY WILL PEOPLE WOULD CALL IN.

THEY WOULD SAY, PUT MY BOAT IN THE WATER.

FILL IT UP WITH FUEL. PUT ICE IN THE COOLER.

AND, YOU KNOW, HAVE IT READY FOR ME WHEN I GET THERE.

THEY GET THERE, THEY WILL GO RIGHT INTO IT.

THIS IS NOT OUR FIRST FACILITY. WE ARE BUILDING A LARGER FACILITY RIGHT NOW IN A LATKE --PPALATKA.

IF YOU GO DOWN 17, YOU PROBABLY WILL NOTICE IT.

ON THE WIND DOWN THERE GETTING IT READY TO OPEN IT UP.

WE THINK THAT WE WOULD FIT IN WITH THE COMMUNITY.

WE SEE STATE ROAD 16 BECOMING A DEAD-END STREET WHEN THE NEW BRIDGE. THE TRAFFIC WILL GO WAY DOWN ON 16 BEN THE BRIDGE IS FINISHED. WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A ROUNDABOUT AT SHANDS PIER ROAD. EVERYBODY IS PROBABLY AWARE OF THAT AND ITS GOING TO BE VERY CONVENIENT FOR PEOPLE IN THE COUNTY AND THE AREA TO GET TO US TO USE US AND USE OUR FACILITY WE ARE READY TO GO FORWARD. BUILDING THE PROJECT.

IT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WE ARE LOOKING AS A PIPE DREAM OR SOMETHING WAY OFF IN THE FUTURE. WE ARE SELF-FUNDED AND WE ARE

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QUESTIONS FOR ME? >> MADAM CHAIR.

>>CHAIR BRIDGMAN: QUESTIONS. >> I AM FAMILIAR WITH THE TYPE OF BOAT STORAGE YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT.

BUT SINCE THIS LOT ISN'T DEVELOPED NOW, DON'T YOU HAVE TO

PUT DOCKS IN TOO? >> YES.

>> AND AT A MINIMUM, YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE -- ARE YOU GOING TO DO IT WITH THE BIG FORKLIFT AND TAKE THE BOATS OFF AND SET THEM DOWN IN THE WATER. YOU DON'T NEED A BOAT RAMP BUT

NEED A DOCK OUT THERE. >> RIGHT.

YOU HAVE -- YOU HAVE A LAUNCH FACILITY.

AND FORKLIFT WILL GO UP TO THE FACILITY AND LOWER THE BOAT IN THE WATER. THEN A FLOATING DOCK GO OUT INTO THE WATER THE BOAT WILL BE DIED UP AND SET OUT THERE FOR PEOPLE

TO UTILIZE. >> MY BROTHER STORES HIS BOAT IN THE A FACILITY LIKE THIS AND I AM VERY FAMILIAR FOR IT.

>> A REAL NEED FOR IT. I JUST BECOME SO FAMILIAR WITH THE CLAY ST. JOHNS RIVER. I GREW UP ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE RIVER, AND NOW I HAVE A HUES DOWN IN LAKE GEORGE AREA.

AND I, YOU KNOW -- THE RIVER IS A GREAT ASSET.

THE CITY, WERE GREEN COVE SPRINGS, PALATKA.

THE RIVER IS WHAT YOU NEED TO EMPHASIZE.

OF ALL THE BEAUTY AND THINGS NOTHING COMPARES TO THE RIVER ALTHOUGH YOU HAVE A GREAT FACILITY, HORSE FACILITY OUT AT YOUR -- FAIRGROUND, YEAH. BUT THE RIVER -- I ALWAYS THOUGHT EVERYBODY SHOULD EMPHASIZE THE RIVER THAN IT IS

FOR RECREATION. >>CHAIR BRIDGMAN: ANY OTHER

QUESTIONS. >>MICHAEL BOURRE: MADAM CHAIR,

IF I MAY. >>CHAIR BRIDGMAN: MICHAEL.

>>MICHAEL BOURRE: THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.

MY QUESTION STEMS AROUND THE MILES PER HOUR OF PRICE AND THE AMOUNT OF NOISE THAT THE OPERATION WOULD POTENTIALLY CREATE. BECAUSE OF ITS PROXIMITY ON TWO SIDES TO RESIDENTIAL. WHAT -- FIRST OFF, WHAT ARE THE HOURS OF OPERATION. ARE YOU PULLING BOATS OUT AT

2:00 IN THE MORNING. >> NO.

NO. THERE WILL BE -- WE DON'T LIGHT THE FACILITY. I MEAN, WE WILL HAVE PARKING LOT LIGHTING, BUT YOU ARE NOT GOING TO LIGHT THE FACILITY.

THE REASON WHY IS, YOU ARE NOT GOING TO ENCOURAGE, YOU EMPLOYEES TO PUT BOATS AWAY WHEN IT IS GETTING DARK.

THAT IS YOU DROP A BOAT. THAT IS WHEN YOU HIT SOMETHING.

DAMAGE SOMETHING. SO -- HIKE AT OUR NEW FACILITY IN PALATKA, THE STORAGE AREA IS NOT LIT.

IT IS A DAYTIME FACILITY ONLY. AND THE NEW FORKLIFTS -- YOU SHOULD SEE THEM. IT IS LIKE DRIVING A NEW CAR.

YOU HAVE A SCREEN IN FRONT OF YOU SHOWING EXACT TRAVEL OF THE FORK. YOU HAVE A SCREEN BEHIND YOU SHOWING WHERE YOU ARE BACKING UP TO.

SO YOU ARE ALMOST DRIVING BY INSTRUMENTS WHEN YOU ARE DOING THIS STUFF. BUT YOU ARE NOT GOING TO DO IT AT NIGHT. YOU ARE NOT GOING TO OPERATE AT NIGHT. NOW IF PEOPLE PEOPLE WANT THE BOAT IN EARLY LIKE IN PALATKA, PEOPLE GO BASS FISHING.

THEY WANT TO BE THE FIRST PERSON TO GET IN THE WATER AND PUT THE POET IN THE DAY BEFORE GOOD NIGHT A BIT FACILITY FOR BOAT TIE-INS. YOU TIE YOUR BOAT UP.

IF YOU WANT TO COME IN EARLY, THAT IS YOUR BUSINESS.

YOU CAN GO OUT AND GO AND PEOPLE SHOULDN'T DPK OUT IN THE DARK, BUT THAT IS A WAY WE MANDEL PEOPLE WHO WANT TO GET IN REAL EARLY. WE PUT IT IN THE NIGHT BEFORE.

>>CHAIR BRIDGMAN: OTHER QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU, MR. PEPPER. >> THANK YOU FOR GIVING ME YOUR CONSIDERATION. WE LOOK FORWARD TO BEING AN ACTIVE PART OF THE COMMUNITY HERE.

THANK YOU. >>CHAIR BRIDGMAN: ALL RIGHT.

I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. THE ONLY CARD I HAD FOR THIS IS MR. NELSON. AND YOU ARE ONE OF THE OWNERS,

RIGHT? >> YEAH.

I AM ONE OF THE WILLIAMS. >>CHAIR BRIDGMAN: YOU ARE

WELCOME TO SPEAK. >>CHAIR BRIDGMAN: YOU NEED TO

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SAY YOUR NAME. >> WILLIAM NELSON.

>>CHAIR BRIDGMAN: PULL THE MIC. >> DO I PUSH THE BUTTON?

>>CHAIR BRIDGMAN: YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO ANYTHING.

IT WILL TELL YOU WHEN THE TIME IS UP.

THE MOBRO CLAY COMPANY, I TALK TO THEM FOR A LONG TIME AND THEY ARE FRIENDS. THEY BELIEVE THAT THAT IS PROBABLY -- PROBABLY -- THE -- THE ZONE FOR -- JUST -- AS A BARRIER ZONE TO THE -- TO THEIR MAIN ZONE.

A AND THE RESIDENT OF THE PROPERTY IS THE GUY IN CHARGE OF THE YARD.

AND HE GUARDS THE BACK GATES AND KEEPS THINGS STRAIGHT.

AND HIS WIFE USED TO BE MINNIE MOUSE AT DISNEY.

WELL, THAT IS BESIDES THE POINT. SO THAT -- THAT ZONE I TALKED TO STEVE AT MOBRO. AND HE SAID THAT THEY WEREN'T AW AWARE.

THIS IS ALL THEIR PROPERTY AND USE THAT PROPERTY AS PART OF THE YARD NOW. AND THAT AND THAT IS THE POND THAT IS THE DRAIN ABLE DITCH FOR THE PROPERTY.

SO I DON'T THINK THERE ARE ANY PROBLEMS WITH MOBRO WITH ANY OF THE SITE. I DRIVE BY HIS -- I DIDN'T REALIZE IT WAS HIS SITE THAT HE WAS PUTTING UP IN A LATKE.

AND LOOKING AT FROM THE HIGHWAY. SO I -- I JUST CAME BACK TO SAY T THAT.

I AM GLAD I BROUGHT THE PROPERTY A LONG TIME AGO.

WHEN I BOUGHT THE PROPERTY, THE TWO OWNERS -- THE THREE OWNERS OF THE PROPERTY -- MR. ELLIOTT WAS A -- WAS A PRINCIPAL OF A JUNIOR HIGH IS -- IN ONE EXCEPTION AND THEY HAD THE INDUSTRIAL LOCATION. AND TOLD ME THEY WERE GOING TO PUT -- THEY HAD A -- THEY HAD A DEAL TO HAVE A MARINA PUT IN THERE. WHEN I BOUGHT THE PROPERTY.

AND THEN MY SON BOUGHT THE OTHER PROPERTY NEXT DOOR ABOUT FIVE, SIX YEARS LATER. THAT'S IT.

THAT'S IT. SO I AM GLAD TO SEE THAT IT IS

REALLY GOING TO BE WORKING WELL. >>CHAIR BRIDGMAN: THANK YOU, MR. NEL NELSON.

>> IT'S GOING TO BE NEAT. I LIVED ON THE BOAT AND I SAILED MY SAILBOAT DOWN FROM MARYLAND AND TIED IT UP AT DOCK.

SO IT'S THERE. >>CHAIR BRIDGMAN: I DON'T HAVE ANY MORE CARDS ON THIS ITEM. ANYONE HERE WISHING TO SPEAK TO THIS? IF NOT, I WILL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT AND BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMISSION FOR A MOTION OR

DISCUSSION. >> MADAM CHAIR, I WILL -- LET ME MAKE A COMMENT AND THEN I WILL MAKE A MOTION.

I WILL ALWAYS BE IN FAVOR -- ALWAYS -- OF KEEPING WORKING WATERFRONT WORKING WATERFRONT. AND NOT TURNING IT INTO MORE CONDOS AND APARTMENTS, BECAUSE EVERYBODY TIME WE LOSE ONE OF THESE PARCELS THAT MANY LESS PLACES.

I ABSOLUTELY WILL SUPPORT STAFF REPORT ON THIS.

>>CHAIR BRIDGMAN: WE NEED A SECOND.

MR. NORTON. NIL FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE, PLEASE SAY AYE.

ANY OPPOSED, SAME SIGN. MOTION CARRIES.

THAT CONCLUDES OUR -- OUR AGENDA ITEMS.

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HOPEFULLY WE WILL HEAR FROM YOU. >> I DON'T KNOW TONIGHT IS A GOOD NIGHT. I DID SEND THAT LINK TO YOU.

DID YOU GET IT, MIKE? SENT IT DURING THE MEETING A POWER POINT AND SUCH A LARGE FILE IT CAME ACROSS AS A LINK.

I DON'T KNOW IF IT NEEDS TO BE AN AGENDA ITEM.

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I CHUCKLED A LITTLE BIT WHEN MICHAEL ASKED THE QUESTION ABOUT THE -- ABOUT THE HEDGES BEING MEASURED OR SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT AND TOY KNOW. I SPOKE A GUY WHO HAD TO COMPLY WITH THE LANDSCAPE AND ADD MORE TREES OR WHATEVER IT WAS.

THERE WAS AN EFFORT. CLOSE TO THE TIME THAT THE PERSON OCCUPIES THE BUSINESS. I DON'T THINK IT IS A YEAR LATER I SAY THAT AND NOT FINDING FAULT.

EVERYBODY IS SHORT LANDED. WE HAVE THIS AND THAT TO DO.

BUSHES ARE 29 INCHES OR 39 INCHES.

NO, YOU WILL DEAL WITH SOMETHING A LITTLE MORE SUR GENT.

I GET ALL THAT. I PERSONALLY HAVE SENT ITEMS TO IT THE CODE ENFORCEMENT, NO RESPONSE.

AND THE ITEMS ARE STILL THERE. SO I KNOW THE STAFF IS SHORTHANDED. BUT, I DON'T THINK WE JUST THROW OUR HANDS UP AND SAY, HEY, YOU HAVE YOU ARE IN BB AND PUT IN YOUR WASTE DISPOSAL SITE AND WE ARE STUCK WITH IT.

IT IS HAPPENING TOO MANY TIMES. THAT IS THE GIST OF THE PRESENTATION AND WANT TO REASON IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE.

NEEDS TO BE AN AGENDA ITEM BUT I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THAT

PRESENTATION. >>CHAIR BRIDGMAN: WHAT WE CAN DO IS ASK THAT STAFF INCLUDE IT ON NOVIS FOR OUR MECHANICS

MEETING. >> THAT WILL BE FINE.

>>CHAIR BRIDGMAN: COVER IT UNDER PRESENTATION IT IS THAT IS

AMENABLE. >>CHAIR BRIDGMAN: YOU WANT TO DO

IT IN JANUARY? >> THAT IS WHAT WE ARE HEARING.

>> RIGHT. THAT IS WHAT IS HAPPENING.

IT KEEPS GETTING KICKED DOWN THE ROAD.

WE WILL DO IT IN JANUARY. >>CHAIR BRIDGMAN: CIRCULATEDED

TO US FOR INFORMATION? >> YES.

>>CHAIR BRIDGMAN: LET'S GO AHEAD AND DO THAT IF IT CAN BE E-MAILED TO US SO WE CAN BE FAMILIAR WITH THE INFORMATION.

I MEAN THAT IS THE.FOR US TO BE EDUCATED.

>> NO, ABSOLUTELY. AND EVEN MORE SO THAN THAT, I UNDERSTAND THAT THE LDR IS AN INHOUSE PROJECT AMENDING THE LDR. THAT IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO TRY TO ADDRESS SOME OF THAT. AND THE QUESTION I HAD EARLIER WAS ABOUT THIS IDEA. I EXPECT REMEMBER THE APPLICANT, BUT ONE COUNTY NUMBER FOUR AND NUMBER FIVE.

AND RALPH SAID -- ONE OF THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS, PETE DAVIS ASKED, COULD IT NOT BE A PCD TO LIMIT THE GUY TO A PLUMBING BUSINESS. I AM CURIOUS IF A PERSON WANTS TO REZONE A PIECE OF PROPERTY, WHAT SORT OF DIALOGUE IS HAPPENING. YOU WOULD ENCOURAGE THEM.

AND THE APPLICANT WOULD SAY, HEY, I HAVE ALL THAT I CAN HAVE.

JUST WONDERING HOW DOES THE STAFF HAVE ANY INFLUENCE OVER

THAT PROCESS? >> IN THIS CASE WITH THE PLUMBING BUSINESS, HE WANTED TO JUST SIMPLY BE ABLE TO HAVE THE BUSINESS THERE. AND BECAUSE -- NORMALLY WHAT WOULD YOU DO. SAY EXPAND -- COMMERCIAL ON PART OF THE PROPERTY AND EXPAND IT TO THE REST OF THE PROPERTY.

PRETTY SIMPLE, RIGHT. THAT WAS BB ZONING.

AND WE DON'T. WE HAVE A DESCRIPTION IN PLACE TO NOT CREATE MORE BB, SO HE HAD TO GO WITH SOMETHING DIFFERENT.

THE ONLY OTHER DISTRICT THAT IS COMMERCIAL DISTRICT THAT IS STATE WILL WHERE HE ZONING APPLICATION IS ALLOWS THAT USE.

THAT WAS KIND OF HIS ONLY STRAIGHT ZONING APPLICATION UNLESS, LIKE YOU SAID, IF HE WENT TO PCD TO OR PID, THAT WOULD BE HAVE BEEN AN OPTION TOO.

A BIT MORE -- A LITTLE MORE COMPLICATED.

>> I WAS GOING TO SAY A BIT MORE DIFFICULT FOR YOU.

>> THE APPLICANT HAS TO DO -- THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE TO GET SOMEONE TO CRAFT A -- A PCD OR PIC WRITTEN STATEMENT TO PROVIDE A SITE PLAN. JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE WORK THAN A SMALL APPLICATION IN THIS CASE.

>> SO WHY DOES SOMEONE ASK FOR PCD?

OPPOSED TO STRAIGHT ZONING? >> I WOULD CALL IT, LIKE, EXCEPTION ZONING. USUALLY BECAUSE UNDER THE REGULAR ZONING, WE WOULD NEVER GET APPROVAL.

SO THEY TRY TO PUT IT IN. WHAT YOU HAVE TO WATCH, BILL, AND I HAVE SAID THIS FOR YEARS. THE ONES THAT COME IN AND SAY, THIS PCD IS BECAUSE WE WANT TO DO A CAR WASH AND EVERYTHING ELSE THAT IS IN BB-3 OR SOMETHING.

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IF THEY NEED TO DO A PCD, IT SHOULD BE PRETTY DIALED IN.

BUT THAT'S WHY THEY DO IT. >> MY FEELINGS ON THE WHOLE THING, IF THE APPLICANT HAS TO GO TO THE EXTRA ENERGY TO DO THAT, THAT IS ON HIM. BUT WE HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO PROTECT THE RESIDENTS AROUND THAT FACILITY.

AND WITH THE BB-4 THAT IS OUT THERE.

I AM GLAD IT IS NO LONGER A BB. BECAUSE A BB, EVEN THOUGH SOME PEOPLE SAY NOT REALLY LESS AND IT IS.

BUT IT STILL. THE GUY CAN WALK AWAY FROM THIS PROJECT TOMORROW. AND IT IS ANYTHING THAT IS ON THE BB-4. THAT -- THAT LEAVES ME SOME -- SOME CONCERN ABOUT THAT. BECAUSE -- BECAUSE IT -- IT BURNED US ONE TIME ON AN ADVISORY COMMITTEE WHERE SAID WE WANT TO DO THIS AND THE GUY SAID FINE, THAT SOUNDS GOOD.

BOOM. GONE THE NEXT DAY AND WE GOT

HAMMERED. >> KEEP IN MIND, THE ONE YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT, BILL, THAT -- THAT -- LET'S JUST SAY WE HAVE REJECTED THE WHOLE THING. HE HAD THE FRONT PORTION OF THAT PARCEL THAT WAS BB. HE COULD HAVE DONE WHATEVER HE

WANTED ON THE FRONT PORTION. >> IT WAS MORE OF A GENERAL QUESTION TO BETTER UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS.

KIND OF LIKE WHAT -- WHAT PETE SAID THOUGH, IT IS ON THEM.

YOU KNOW, WE DO HAVE AN OBLIGATION.

ITHINK I DO TAKE -- TO TRY TO PROTECT THE COUNTY.

NOW THAT WE ARE RAPIDLY GROWING, THERE IS MORE AND MORE PUSH BACK. AND I AM -- AND I KNEW ONE GUY WHO ADDED THE TREES. THANK GOD FOR HIM.

>> I WOULD TELL THAT YOU WHAT I HAVE SEEN OVER THE YEARS IS WHEN YOU HAVE AN APPLICANT THAT LOOKS LIKE THEY DID THEIR OWN PCD RATHER THAN HIRING A PROFESSIONAL TO DO IT, IT IS ALMOST ALWAYS VERY SLOPPY. CONTRADICTIONS IN IT.

WE ALMOST HAVE TO SIT HERE AND TRY TO REWRITE IT.

AND IT -- IF THEY ARE GOING TO DO A PCD, THEY REALLY MUD IS BE THINKING ABOUT HIRING A PROFESSIONAL TO HELP THEM WITH IT. BECAUSE IT IS -- IT REALLY MAKES

A BIG DIFFERENCE. >> THANK YOU.

>>CHAIR BRIDGMAN: BILL, THANK YOU FOR PUTTING TOGETHER AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO RECEIVING IT AND WILL GET YOU ON THE CALENDAR.

>> I HAVE ONE OTHER THING I WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS BRIEFLY.

[Old Business/New Business]

>>CHAIR BRIDGMAN: IS THIS UNDER OLD BUSINESS OR NEW BUSINESS?

>> THIS IS ON TONIGHT'S BUSINESS.

AND BASICALLY -- I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE.

AND THAT IS WHO DO THESE LETTER GOES OUT TO AS FAR AS NOTIFICATION GOES. AND WE EITHER NEED TO REVISIT THAT OR TAKE THE TWO PEOPLE THAT CAME TONIGHT AND SAID I HAVEN'T HEARD A THING ABOUT THIS AND FIND OUT, OKAY, DID THEY GET A LETTER? ARE THEY INSIDE OR OUTSIDE THE ENERGY? I DON'T KNOW.

THEY MAY HAVE CONSIDERED IT JUNK MAIL AND THREW IT AWAY, WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE, BUT THAT IS KIND OF A -- YOU KNOW WHEN THEY COME IN HERE AND ALL BUILT-UP, READY TO BURN THE COURTHOUSE DOWN, THAT IS A LITTLE CONCERNING.

>>CHAIR BRIDGMAN: I AM NOT SURE WE ARE EVER GOING TO TRULY RESOLVE THAT. THERE WILL ALWAYS BE PEOPLE THAT -- LIKE YOU SAID, DIDN'T READ IT OR WHATEVER.

AND IT IS HARD FOR I THINK THE PUBLIC TO UNDERSTAND ABOUT THE BUFFER DISTANCE AND THE WAY IT REALLY WORKS BECAUSE THERE IS A MINUTE TALL PERCEPTION OF WHERE THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD IS.

AND, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN. AND THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT 350 FEET IS NOT VERY FAR. AND, YOU KNOW, BUT WE -- WE BASE IT ON THAT. AND --

>>CHAIR BRIDGMAN: DODI, DID YOU GET THE NAME OF THE LADY WHO SAID HER PROPERTY TOUCHED THE DEVELOPMENT.

MAYBE IF YOU CAN CHECK ON THAT ONE.

>> I WILL HAVE TO GO BACK. >>CHAIR BRIDGMAN: CHECK ON THAT FOR US. MRS. KUHN.

>> THE KUHN NAME. THAT LETTER WENT OUT TO THE ONE ON LENO ROAD. SHAW WAS THE THIRD ONE?

>> I WOULD SAY ONE THING. YOU GOT TO KEEP IN MIND TOO THAT I THINK THOSE LETTERS, THEY LOOK UP THE PROPERTY.

AND THEN THE PROPERTY -- I THINK IT IS WHO GETS THE TAX BILL,

ISN'T IT? >> IT IS THE PROPERTY -- THE

PROPERTY OWNER. >> THE PERSON LIVING THERE --

>> GOOD POINT. >> IS NOT THE PERSON THAT IS ON THE TAX RECORD, THAT LETTER CAN GO TO NEW JERSEY, FOR ALL YOU

KNOW. >> DODI, FULL DOUBLE CHECK THOSE THREE AND SEE WHAT YOU CAN -- AND LET US KNOW NEXT TIME.

I AM JUST -- WEBER, KUHN AND -- >> BASED ON OUR -- WE DON'T

THINK THEY WERE. >> JUST A QUICK NOTE IF I MAY, MADAM CHAIR, TO PETE'S POINT. I THINK IT WAS BETH'S PRESENTATION. HAD A LIST ON THE LEFT-HAND SIDE ALL THE RECIPIENTS OF THE LETTER.

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SUPPOSED TO BE. >>CHAIR BRIDGMAN: I NOTICED THAT THE LADY SAID THAT THE PROPERTY TOUCHED IT NAMED A DEVELOPMENT THAT WE ARE NOT DEALING WITH. I THINK THAT MIGHT HAVE --

>> A DEVELOPMENT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

>> BUT THAT -- THAT NAME DID RECEIVE A LETTER.

SO -- >> BUT ALL THE RESIDENTS IN CLAY COUNTY ARE SUFFERING FROM GROWING PAINS.

AND BECAUSE THEY SEE IT COMING AND THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO ABOUT IT. ACCEPT TO COME UP HERE.

WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE DONE DUE DILIGENCE AT LEAST TELLING THEM IF YOU HAVE SOME CONCERN, BRING IT US TO, BECAUSE

IT IS COMING. >>CHAIR BRIDGMAN: ALL RIGHT.

ANYTHING OTHER OLD OR NEW BUSINESS THAT WE NEED TO DEAL WITH? IF NOT, I AM GOING TO OPEN THE FINAL PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD. I DO NOT HAVE ANY CARDS FOR THIS ONE. IS THERE ANYONE WHO WANTED TO DO OPEN COMMENT? SEEING NO ONE, I AM GOING TO CLOSE THAT. OUR NEXT PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING IS SCHEDULED FOR TUESDAY, DECEMBER 5, 2023.

SO HAPPY THANKSGIVING, EVERYONE. >> I DID HAVE ONE QUICK QUESTION. WHOSE TERMS ARE UP THIS YEAR?

DO WE KNOW? >> THAT IS NOT --

>> FOR THIS BOARD. >> WE REAPPLIED.

I THINK I HAVE GOT ANOTHER YEAR. >> I DON'T -- I CAN'T REMEMBER.

>> WELL, CHECK. PAUSE THIS IS THE TIME -- IF YOU WANT -- IF -- THIS IS THE TIME OF YEAR TO FILE YOUR APPLICATION. CHECK EXPECTED MAKE SURE.

AND IF YOU WANT TONIGHT REAPPLY, GO AHEAD AND DO IT.

GET YOUR APPLICATIONS ONLINE AND GO AHEAD AND DO IT AND SUBMIT IT,

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.