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THE MEANING OF THIS BOARD WILL COME TO ORDER. IT IS NOW 5:30.
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FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS IS THI THE REVIEW AND APPROVAL OF THE SEPTEMBER 7TH MINUTES. HAS EVERYBODY HAD A LOOK AT THEM? ARE THERE ANY COMMENTS? ANY AMENDMENT THAT ANYONE HAS INMIND? >> IN THAT CASE, I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE THEM.
>> SECOND . >> ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? CALLING FAVOR OF APPROVING THE MINUTES AS WRITTEN, PLEASE
SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE . >> ANY OPPOSED? OR EXPLAIN? SO
THEY ARE APPROVED. >> I GUESS I DON'T NEED TO DO
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THAT.FLOOR NOW FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. >> IS THERE ANY MEMBER OF THE
PUBLIC WHO WISHES TO SPEAK? >> HOUSE. THERE I AM PAT GARLAND HOUSE, MY ADDRESS IS POST OFFIC BOX 3434 CLAY COUNTY FLORIDA. CAN YOU HEAR ME?
>> AS YOU KNOW, I HAD APPLIED FOR A STATE HISTORICAL MARKER FOR ST. MARY'S EPISCOPAL CHURC ON JULY 19TH, AND I MAILED THAT INTO MISS CARSON. BOTH OF THE BUILDINGS, AT ST. MARY'S, THE PARISH HALL, AND THE CHURCH, AR ON THE NATIONAL REGISTER. I FELT LIKE IT BEST SUPPORTED TO APPLY FOR HISTORICAL MARKER.
OF THE 19 HISTORICAL EXISTING STATE MARKERS AND CLAY COUNTY, 10 OF THEM ARE IN INCORPORATED AREAS A COUNTY. TO ME THAT'S HALF. MY APPLICATION WAS HELD UNTIL MS. CARSON COULD GET A RULING FROM THE COUNTY ATTORNEY AS TO WHETHER THE PRESERVATION BOARD AND PROCESS APPLICATIONS FOR HISTORICAL MARKERS IN INCORPORATED AREAS OF THE COUNTY. IT WAS DETERMINED THAT THE COUNTY FUNDS CANNOT BE USED FOR THE ST. MARY'S CHURCH MARKER, BECAUSE ST. MARY'S IS LOCATED WITHIN AN INCORPORATED
CITY. >> IT'S OUTSIDE OF THE COUNTY' JURISDICTION BASED ON EXAMINING THE CERTIFIED LOCAL GOVERNMENT AGREEMENT WITH THE STATE OF FLORIDA AND THE POLICIES AND ARTICLE 12 WHICH GUIDE THE PROCEDURES OF THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD . I'M NOT A LEGAL EXPERT SO I JUST REFER YO TO THOSE DOCUMENTS. I UNDERSTAND THAT UNIT, IF CITIES WERE TO HAVE AN AGREEMEN WITH THE COUNTY FOR A JOINT PROJECT, THEN THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD COULD PURSU THESE MARKERS. OR THE CHURCH COULD ALSO APPLY FOR THEIR OWN
MARKERS AND PAY FOR THEM. >> THE CITY, DOESN'T HAVE ANY MONEY. THE CHURCH DOESN'T HAVE ANY MONEY. SO, NEEDLESS TO SAY THE CHURCH WAS DISAPPOINTED AT THIS TURN OF EVENTS ESPECIALLY IN LIGHT OF THE FACT THAT OF TH 19 STATE HISTORICAL MARKERS IN LEE COUNTY, 10 OF THEM ARE INSIDE INCORPORATED AREAS OF TH
COUNTY. >> THAT IS TO SAY CITIES.
>> SO, WE ARE NOT EXPERTS IN THE LEGISLATION THE COVERS ACCOUNTING BUT A BIT WOULD SAY THAT THE ATTEMPT OF THE COUNTY WAS TO FUND MARKERS IN INCORPORATED TIME SINCE ABOUT HALF OF THE EXISTING MARKERS AR WITHIN TOWN LIMITS. IT WOULD SEEM THAT THE COUNTY WOULD BE PROUD AND EAGER TO DESIGNATE HISTORIC PROPERTIES ESPECIALLY ONCE LIKE ST. MARY'S THAT ARE INDIVIDUALLY DESIGNATED ON THE NATIONAL REGISTER. TAXPAYERS I THAT AREA PLAYED THEIR SHARE AIR, AND IT DOESN'T SEEM A B RECENTLY LIMITED TO UNINCORPORATED AREAS OF THE COUNTY. IT IS NOT THE COUNTY COMMISSION IN THE PAST TO DISCRIMINATE SINCE HALF THE MARKERS ARE IN AND UNINCORPORATED AREAS. THANK YOU FOR HEARING ME OUT. AND I HOPE THERE IS SOME AIR RESOLUTION TO THIS ISSUE. HERE'S A COPY OF M
LETTER, AND A COPY TO THE BCC. >> SO, WE COULD COMMENT ON THIS POINT, YES? THE MEMBERS OF THE BOARD? YESTERDAY, BUT
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THERE'S USUALLY NOT A QUESTION FOR DISCUSSION. YOU CAN COMMENTAMONGST YOURSELVES ABOUT IT >> OKAY, BUT WE CAN'T TALK TO
THE PERSON ADDRESSING THIS. >> MOST OF THE TIME, THEY GET THERE,, AND SAID AGEE. AND YOU WOULD DISCUSS IT LATER ON.
>> IF WE ARE ALLOWED TO ADDRES IT NOW, THIS WOULD BE A BETTER
TIME TO DISCUSS IT, RIGHT? >> AT THE DISCRETION OF THE
CHAIR, YES SIR. >> COMMENTS FROM THE PEOPLE HAVEN'T HEARD THIS POINT? OR SEVERAL POINTS?
>> IS THERE ANYTHING THAT WOUL KEEP US FROM DOING FUNDRAISERS AND NOT GO THROUGH THE COUNTY FOR FUNDING?
>> THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING I WOULD NEED TO CHECK WITH THE COUNTY ATTORNEY TO SEE IF WE COULD DO FUNDRAISERS, THE HISTORICAL SOCIETY SEPARATE FRO THIS, BUT IF YOU WANTED TO, IF
IT'S WITHIN THEIR PURVIEW. >> ANYONE ELSE?
>> CORRECT ME IF I'M UNCOMFORTABLE WE NEED TO HAVE A
INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT, CORRECT? >> TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT?
>> THERE WOULD NEED TO BE AND APPROVAL BY THE BOARD, AND IN AGREEMENT WITH WHATEVER YOU MUNICIPALITY, YES.
>> IS THERE ANYTHING STOPPING THIS COMMITTEE FROM SETTING UP PROCEDURE SO THAT IF WE HAVE SOMETHING LIKE THIS IN THE FUTURE LIKE , THE CHURCH COULD GO TO THE CITY COUNCIL, GET A RESOLUTION SAYING THAT , THAT I A HISTORICAL SITE, AND WOULD LIKE TO ENTER INTO AGREEMENT WITH THE BCC FOR A MARKER, AND THEN IT WOULD COME TO US FOR APPROVAL, THE GO TO THE BOARD AND THEN THAT AGREEMENT WOULD G ATTACH CODE SO THAT INSTEAD O PLAYING PING-PONG WITH THE APPLICATION, AND AN INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT FOR THREE OR FOUR MONTHS, IS THERE SOMEONE THAT
CAN STREAMLINE IT? >> WE CAN CHECK AND SEE IF THERE WOULD BE ANOTHER WAY AND PROCESS TO DO THAT, BUT AGAIN, THIS IS COUNTY FUNDS THAT IS ALLOTTED TO THIS BOARD THAT SERVES THE UNINCORPORATED AREA, AND IT IS COUNTY FUNDS THAT ARE INTENDED TO BE THE UNINCORPORATED AREA. THE CITY OF GREEN COLD SPRINGS CAN SET UP THEIR OWN CERTIFIED LOCAL GOVERNMENT AS GOOD KEYSTONE HEIGHTS, WITH THEIR OWN HISTORI BOARD, AND THEY CAN ALSO ALLOT SOME FUNDING FROM THEIR BUDGET TO THEIR BOARD. THE REASON I QUESTION THIS, BECAUSE I WAS ALWAYS UNSURE, BECAUSE YOU ARE A BOARD OF THIS JURISDICTION, AND ALL OTHER COMMITTEES SERVE THE UNINCORPORATED AREAS. SO THAT IS WHY I RAISED THE QUESTION WITH THE COUNTY ATTORNEY. I WANTED SOME CLARIFICATION.
>> ACOSTA SAVAGE, YES. >> IT SEEMS LIKE IF WE MADE ON EXCEPTION ONE TIME, -- WE BEEN DOING IT SEVERAL TIMES BEFORE
THIS. THAT'S WHAT PUZZLED ME. >> DO WE NEED TO DO IT ON A CASE-BY-CASE BASIS? MAYBE DIRECTOR TO APPROACH THE CITY, ABOUT GOING TO THE BOARD FOR EITHER AN INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT OR --
>> WE COULD SEE BE WHAT CAN BE DONE, AND WHAT PROCESS OF AGREEMENT CAN MAY. THE BOARD WOULD BE AWARE OF THIS EPISODE
WE WILL SEE WHAT WE CAN DO. >> IN THE PAST, DO YOU KNOW HO
IT WAS DONE? >> IN THE PAST, AND THIS IS WHA USED ME WHEN I CAME HOME WITH THE BOARD, BECAUSE YOU'RE WORKING ON THE ACOSTA SAVAGE, AND I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND, BECAUS THAT IS IN THE CITY OF GLEN COV SPRINGS, BUT THE COUNTY DID HAV AN AGREEMENT AND WAS FUNDED TH MENTORING CENTER, AND I THINK THAT IS HOW IT WAS CONSIDERED SOMETHING THAT COULD BE DONE. I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T KNOW, I WASN'T HERE WHEN THE KEYSTONE HEIGHTS ONE WAS WORK ON , OR AN OF THE OTHERS. SO, TYPICALLY THE JURISDICTION FOR THE COUNTY IS THE UNINCORPORATED COUNTY.
>> DO YOU KNOW ABOUT THE OTHER CAJUNS MENTIONED BY THE OTHER -- THE OTHER NINE -- I'M NOT AWARE OF THE LEGALITY.
>> NO, I DON'T KNOW. >> I DON'T KNOW THE HISTORY.
>> THE BOARD HAS BEEN INVOLVED IN ENDORSING STATE MARKERS IN ORANGE PARK, AUNT OTHER PLACE LIKE THAT.
>> ENDORSING AND FUNDING? DID YOU FUND THEM OUT OF YOUR
BUDGET? >> WELL, I'D HAVE TO GO BACK AND SEE . AS FAR AS I COULD REMEMBER, YOU KNOW, IT CAME OUT OF OUR OPERATING BUDGET, BUT NONE OF THE 7500, TICKET IS
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LESS, RIGHT? >> YOU'RE STEALING MY THUNDER, WAS GOOD TO TELL YOU ABOUT THE BUDGET LATER ON.
>> ANY OTHER, BECAUSE I'LL HAVE SOMETHING TO SUGGEST.
>> CAN WE INQUIRE FROM WHOEVER INTERPRETS LAW, FOR THE COUNTY, WHETHER WE COULD PROPOSE TO HAVE THESE INCORPORATED AREAS SOME SORT OF STANDING MENDER AND OF UNDERSTANDING TO JUMPSTART THESE REQUESTS , RATHER THAN YOU KNOW, GOING THROUGH ENDLESS CYCLES OF BACK-AND-FORTH?
>> I CAN CERTAINLY RAISE THE QUESTION AND SEE -- GOOD. THAT WOULD BE GOOD, BECAUSE OTHERWISE, I'M INCOMPLETE AGREEMENT WITH THE BASIC POINT THAT WAS MADE, THESE PEOPLE I INCORPORATED AREAS ARE PAYING TAXES TO THE COUNTY , JUST LIKE EVERYONE ELSE, SOMETIMES PROBABLY MORE. THAT THOSE PEOPLE. AND TO BE DEPRIVED OF ANY ACCESS TO THE SAME FONT SE AND UNINCORPORATED WOULD GET TO HAVE FROM THE COUNTY DOES NOT SEEM EQUITABLE. OR, SENSIBLE, BUT HOPEFULLY WE CAN FIND A
WAY AROUND THIS . >> BY THE WAY, DID ANYTHING ELSE -- WHEN YOU MADE THIS INQUIRY, THAT WE CAN'T DO WHAT WE HAD BEEN DOING, WAS THERE ANY RECENT LEGAL INTERPRETATIONS HAD BEEN MADE BEFORE THAT RESULTED IN THIS MORE RESTRICTIVE INTERPRETATION ANYTHING HAPPEN IN THE LAST
FIVE YEARS OR SO? >> NO. NOTHING IN PARTICULAR, AGAIN IT WAS BECAUSE OF MY QUESTION, AGAIN BECOMES MOST OF ALL OF OUR OPERATIONS AND PLAN REVIEW AND THINK LIKE THAT ARE SIMPLY LIMITED TO THE UNINCORPORATED AREAS. SO, IT WAS ALWAYS SOMETHING THAT I WONDERED WHY.
>> IS A MOTION FROM THE BOARD NEDED TO FURTHER THIS REQUEST
THAT I HAVE IN MIND? >> NOT REALLY, CHICKEN TO THAT AND REPORT BACK AT THE NEXT MEETING.
>> GOOD. OKAY. ARE THERE ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENTS? NO?
>> I HAVE ONE MORE THING ABOUT THE SUBJECT WE WERE JUST DISCUSSING. COULDN'T -- PERHAP ANOTHER ORGANIZATION THAT DEAL WITH HISTORY, AND CLAY COUNTY PERHAPS HELP WITH THE FUNDIN OF THIS MARKER SUCH AS THE HISTORICAL SOCIETY? BY THE APPLICANT, OR ANY OTHER ORGANIZATION, DOES NOT HAVE TO BE FUNDED BY THE COUNTY, OR THE CITY, CAN CERTAINLY CONTRIBUTE TO MORE THE CHURCH COULD RAISE FUNDS. YOU KNOW, JUST BECAUSE THE APPLICATION DOESN'T COME FROM THE COUNTY DOESN'T MEAN AN PPLICATION CAN BE SUBMITTED TO THE STATE, DOES NOT HAVE TO
>> IF YOU HAD AN ORGANIZATION THAT WANTED TO GIVE THE FUNDS T THE COUNTY, HOW WOULD THEY DO THAT?
>> WE DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY FUNDRAISING OF WORK.
>> THE COUNTY DOES HAVE THE GENTLEMAN WITH COMMUNITY RELATIONS THAT MIGHT BE ABLE TO HELP SORT THAT OUT .
>> AS I KNOW THERE IS NOW A WAY FOR DALMATIANS TO BE MADE TO THE COUNTY FOR CERTAIN PROJECTS. BUT, I'M NOT SURE
ABOUT THE LEGALITIES . >> SO, ARE YOU SAYING, THAT INSTEAD OF LIKE, LET SAY -- YOUR ORGANIZATION JUST IN THIS SAMPLE, YOU RAISE MONEY, YOU WOULD DONATED TO THE COUNTY, T USE FOR THIS SITE, YOU WOULD DONATED TO HER, A LIST YES, I THIS CASE, THAT'S PROBABLY WOUL BE THE EASIER THING TO DO.
>> BUT I DO KNOW THAT THE COUNTY DOES HAVE A COMMUNITY RELATIONS PERSON THAT DOES FACILITATE DIFFERENT PROJECTS
LIKE THAT. >> AND I BELIEVE THE ARCHIVES OFFICE HAS A 5013C, SO IF ANYON WANTS TO MAKE A DONATION, I THINK THAT MIGHT BE AN AVENUE, BUT I'M NOT ABSOLUTELY SURE.
>> I GUESS ONE OTHER QUESTION THAT OCCURS TO ME, SO, IF THE MONEY IS SOMEHOW ACQUIRED BY A GROUP LIVING IN AN
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UNINCORPORATED AREA OF THE COUNTY, ONCE THEY HAVE THAT, THEY COULD THEN SEEK THE ADVIC AND ASSISTANCE OF THE BOARD, AN THE LANGUAGE, AND SO FORTH TO BE USED AS>> WE WOULD PROBABLY PURSUE AN AGREEMENT WITH THE BOARD TO ALLOW FOR YOU TO WORK ON IT AND STAFF TIME INVOLVED IN IT, IF I
WAS IN AN INCORPORATED AREA. >> OKAY, SAY THAT AGAIN.
>> YOU'RE SAYING, LIKE FOR INSTANCE, IF THEY WANT TO TO SEND IT THE CHURCH, AND THEY HAD THE FUNDING, THEY WOULDN'T NEED US TO, THEY COULD SUBMIT I ON THEIR OWN, BUT IF THEY WANTE OUR ASSISTANCE, I WOULD THINK WE WOULD PROBABLY NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT WAS OKAY WITH TH BOARD, THAT YOUR VOLUNTEER TIME, AND STAFF TIME WOULD BE ALLOWED TO BE INVOLVED WITH TH PROPERTY THAT IS OUTSIDE OF YOU JURISDICTION, AND THEY MIGHT OKAY, I THINK WE WOULD NEED TO --
>> WELL KNOW. WE WOULD MAKE SURE, THAT THE TIME COULD BE CONTRIBUTED T
IT. >> HOW OLD IS THIS CHURCH?
>> AND WHO OWNS THE PROPERTY WHERE IT'S AT NOW?
>> THE DIOCESE IN JACKSONVILLE.
>> THE EPISCOPAL DIOCESE IN JACKSONVILLE, OKAY, SO WE WOULD PROBABLY GET SOME SORT OF GUARANTEE HE THAT IF WE GIVE -- A HISTORICAL MARKER ERECTED AT SOMETIME DOWN THE ROAD, WITH WE WOULD BE OKAY, WE NEED THIS PROPERTY FOR SOMETHING ELSE,
COULD BE MOVED OR ANYTHING? >> OKAY.
>> EDITED 50 YEARS -- YEAH, I UNDERSTAND.
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>> VERY GOOD. >> SO, I GUESS WE CAN MOVE ON
OLD BUSINESS. >> THERE SEEMS TO BE ONLY ONE ITEM SHOWING. BRENNAN FIELD FIELD MARKER THAT IS BEEN GOING AROUND. MS. MURPHY'S LEADING THAT PARTICULAR PROJECT. SHE'S ON THE MINUTES FROM THE SUBCOMMITTEE MEETING THAT SOME OF US REPORT
>> HAS EVERYONE HAD A CHANCE TO READ THE TEXT, OR REVIEW IT?
>> DID YOU SAY WE WERE GOING OVER OLD BUSINESS?
>> THIS IS THE ONE FROM LAST MEETING.
>> NOT REALLY. IT RESEMBLES IT, OF COURSE. BECAUSE I WAS CONFUSED, WHEN I GOT THIS SOURCES THAT I ASKED FOR, I WAS READING SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAN THIS.
>> WHAT, I MEAN, WE WERE SORT OF READY TO -- OH, I SEE THE CHANGES, NOW. IF YOU HAVE THE TWO SIDE-BY-SIDE, YOU WOULD SEE
THERE WERE SOME TWEAKS. >> YES, I SEE NOW. I WASN'T
LOOKING AT THAT. >> I HAD DO HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE TITLE. IT'S CALLED BRENNAN FIELD, IS THAT TH
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CORRECT SPELLING? FOR BRANAN FIELD OLF, IT IS FAIRLY GENEROUS WITH WORDS, AND IT IS SUFFICIENT FOR PUBLIC COMMENT FOR AS A HISTORICAL MARKER. SO IF WE SPELLED OUT THE WHOLE FORMAL THING IN THAT PARTICULAR THING RIGHT IT'S BEING, IT MIGHT BE A LITTLE OFF PUTTING O WHATEVER, AND PEOPLE WANTED TO READ THE REST. I DON'T REALLY CARE. THAT'S DEEMED TO BE WHER NEEDED. WE WENT OVER VARIOUS THINGS AND FOUND A DIFFERENTWAY OF SAYING SECOND WORLD WAR. >> BUT WE MANAGED TO GIVE A LITTLE ON THIS. I DO SEE THE SPELLING ERROR.
>> WELL, YEAH, IT IS SPELLED WITH 2N'S. DID THAT GET BACK IN? I THOUGHT WAS STAMP IT OUT, WHERE IS IT?
>> IS IN THE LAST PARAGRAPH. >> OH WAIT, NEVERMIND.
>> YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A DOUBLE N? OH, YES. WE -- I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED POOR DEIRDRE GOT BLESSED, SOMEHOW I
CREPT BACK IN. >> I'M SEEING ALL KINDS OF MISSPELLINGS, WAS BRAIDWOOD ROUNDUP, AND A POP BACK UP
AGAIN. >> ARE THERE ANY OTHER ERRORS, OR THINGS THAT SEEM TO BE BEYOND THE PALETO ANY MEMBERS OTHERWISE, WE CAN ENTERTAIN THAT WE CAN APPROVE IT AS
>> DID DEIDRA GIVE THE CHARACTER ACCOUNT FOR THIS, AR WE WITHIN THE ALLOTTED CHARACTER COUNT?
>> IT IS WITHIN THE ALLOTTED COUNT, AND I WANT TO SAY IT'S UNDER BY A GOOD. IT IS LIKE 1100.
>> I DON'T HAVE THE EXACT COUNT BUT THAT GIVES YOU SOME WIGGLE ROOM IF YOU DO WANT TO MAKE SOM CHANGES.
>> THAT BEING SAID, I THINK THE SECOND WORLD WARS TELLING -- IT THE SPELLING OF SECOND -- YES, THAT WOULD BE CLASSIER. AND
THEN, AFTER WAR, A,. >> OKAY. OKAY. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE US NAVY RIVER INTO THE NAVY IN THE FOURTH PARAGRAP MOVED UP TO THE LAST LINE OF THE FIRST PARAGRAPH TO REFER TO
U.S. NAVY AND MARINE CORPS. >> OH, I SEE. YOU WANT IT MOVED, YOU DON'T WANT TO HAVE I IN BOTH PLACES.
>> IT ISN'T NEEDED IN BOTH PLACES.
>> AND TAKE IT OUT OF U.S. NAVY ON THE FOURTH PARAGRAPH?
>> YES. >> ANY OTHER SUGGESTIONS OR - OKAY, I GUESS IT REMAINS TO ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO IT DOPP THE PROPOSED SIGNAGE AS AMENDED?
>> RECOGNIZING THAT WE ADOPT THE VERBIAGE AS AMENDED .
>> OKAY. SECOND. >> ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?
>> OKAY. >> SO ALL IN FAVOR OF THE AMENDED LANGUAGE FOR THIS MARKER , PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE, ANY OPPOSED, OR ABSTAINING? OKAY, THE MOTION
WAS PASSED UNANIMOUSLY. >> NOW, WILL THAT BE THE OFFICIAL COPY THAT'S GOING TO B -- I ASSUME IT'S BEING
RECORDED AS WE SPEAK TO, SO YES >> IT WILL BE, IF NOT, I CAN
SHARE WHAT I THINK. >> OKAY, VERY GOOD. ANY -- THERE IS NO OTHER THING ON THE AGENDA, SO WE CANNOT DISCUSS
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ANYTHING IF WE THOUGHT OF IT UNTIL LATER, RIGHT? SO OKAY. W WILL CLOSE THIS PORTION OF THE BUSINESS -- NEW BUSINESS, YES.SORRY. THERE IS NO NEW BUSINESS, KNOWS IT AFFECTED OF APPROVAL, WE CAN PIOUS OVER THOSE FOR THE PURPOSE OF THIS MEETING. OKAY. ANY MORE PUBLIC COMMENT? I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYBODY FROM THE PUBLIC LEFT TO COMMENT. STAFF COMMENTS? SO I
[Staff Comments]
HAVE A COUPLE OF THINGS FOR YOU I WANT TO PROVIDE AN UP DATE ON THE OTHER MARKER THAT IS GOING ALONG WITH THE KIOSK AT THE I CRIMES OFFICE IS WORKING ON, THEY WERE SUCCESSFUL IN HITTING A FIVE THOUSAND DOLLARS GRANT FROM ELECTRIC, AND YESTERDAY THEY SPOKE TO THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS TOURIST DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE. I BELIEVE IT'S COUNSEL, COUNSEL? -- WITH A REQUEST FOR FUNDING, AND THE BOARD, ALTHOUGH IT'S NO A VISUALLY APPROVED UNTIL THE BOARD FINALLY VOTES TO APPROVE IT, THE COMMITTEE RECOMMENDED THAT THEY BE AWARDED $10,000, SO THAT GETS THEM TO 15. BASE ON THE ESTIMATES THEY'VE HAD, IT'S UP WORDS OF 20 TO 30,000 FOR THE KIOSK AND BECAUSE OF CONSTRUCTION COSTS, AND PRODUCTS. BUT BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO BE A KIOSK WITH EDUCATIONAL BOARDS, CONCRETE, WITH A CONCRETE PATTERN THAT WILL BE SHOWING THE PATTERN OF THE RUNWAYS, IT WILL BE DESIGNE TO SHOW THAT, AND THEN THIS MARKER WOULD AS FAR AS WE TALKED BEFORE WOULD BE IN A SEPARATE LITTLE SIDEWALK COMING OFF OF THAT, AND IT WOULD BE A COMBINED AREA. SO, THE QUESTIONS -- WERE SOME QUESTIONS THAT CAME UP, ABOUT THE LOCATION OF THE MARKET, WHERE IT IS CONCERNED WITH WHO ACTUALLY OWN THE PROPERTY, AND WHO WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR MAINTAINING THE PROPERTY. WE HA SPOKEN TO THE OAKLEY CBD H OA BOARD, ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF IT BEING LOCATED THERE, AND I THINK THE BOARD IS CONCERNED THAT FOR FUNDING, OR IF THEY AR PROVIDING FUNDING FOR THIS THA THIS IS GOING TO BE MAINTAINED FOR THE FUTURE. WE ALSO DISCUSSED THERE IS A PARCEL OF LAND THAT THE COUNTY HAS IN OAKLEY, AND THEY ARE ALSO TRYING TO ACQUIRE ANOTHER PIEC OF LAND RIGHT NEXT TO THAT WHIC IS YOU KNOW, WITHIN HUNDREDS O FEET FROM THE OAKLEY CDD PROPERTY, THAT WOULD BE COUNTY OWNED PROPERTY, AND I THINK IT PROBABLY IS STILL WITHIN THE REALM OF THE RUNWAY IN THE AREA THAT MIGHT BE APPROPRIATE. SO THERE MAY BE A CHANGE IN THE LOCATION OF THE MARKER. SO AS FAR AS EATING THIS, I DON'T WANT TO DELAY IT ANY, BUT WE NEED TO HAVE THE EXACT LOW CASE AND DOWN TO THE GPS DESIGNATIO FOR WHERE THAT MARKER WOULD BE BEFORE WE CAN SIT MEDICAMENT THAT'S ALL PART OF THE APPLICATION, SO I JUST WANTED T LET YOU KNOW THAT. YOU STOLE M THUNDER LITTLE BIT, BECAUSE I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT THE BUDGET THE CC APPROVED YOUR BUDGET, AT THE END OF SEPTEMBER. AND FOR THE FISCAL YEAR 23 /24, YET $7500 AGAIN, SO YOU ARE BACKUP TO WHERE YOU WERE. IN 2023, YE IT BUDGET OF 5000, YOU DID NOT SPEND ANY MONEY, NOW YOU HAVE A BIGGER BUDGET, AND THAT'S GOODNEWS FOR YOU. >> THE OTHER THING I HAD WAS I WAS CONTACTED BY SOME CITIZEN THAT ARE WORKING TO REESE DOOR THE SOUDER AND PLEASANT POINT CEMETERIES, THEY ARE OUT THERE DOING SOME CLEANUP OF RUSH, AN I ASSUME BILL'S HEART LOOKING AT THE MARKERS, AND SEE WHAT THEY CAN DO. THEY WOULD LOVE TO HAVE SOME VOLUNTEERS, IF ANYBODY WAS INTERESTED IN HELPING THEM, I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF YOU ARE INTERESTED OR IF ANYONE WATCHING WOULD LIKE TO HELP, FEEL FREE TO CONTACT ME, AND I WILL PUT YOU IN TOUCH WIT THOSE PEOPLE. I DID GIVE THEM THE INFORMATION FOR THEY WILL REACH OUT TO THOSE INDIVIDUALS AND GET SOME EDUCATION ON PROPER WAYS TO MAINTAIN A CEMETERY.
>> SO THAT IS ALL I HAVE. >> GOOD? ANY QUESTIONS FROM TH
BOARD ABOUT RESOLUTIONS? >> GOOD. WELL, THE IDEA OF A LITTLE MORE BUDGET MONEY IS CERTAINLY WELCOME. NOW WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE WE CAN AFFECT ONLY MAKE USE OF IT BEFORE THE CLOCK GOES DOWN ON US. I GUESS, SINCE YOU BROUGHT UP THE SUBJECT OF -- WELL, I'LL SAVE IT FOR LATER.
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>> ANY OTHER STAFF COMMENTS? THAT'S IT? NO. BUT IN LOOKING AT PAST DOCUMENTATION FROM SOM MEETINGS FROM YEARS AGO, IT LOOKED LIKE THERE WAS AT SOME POINT WHERE THEY KIND OF REALL MAP OUT WHAT THE BUDGET WOULD GO TO, REALLY TO FIND THE GOALS OF THE COMMITTEE, AND PROJECTS THAT THEY WERE TO WORK ON AND LOT OF THE FUNDING, TO REALLY COME UP WITH A PLAN OF WHAT WAS GOING TO BE DONE. SO I'M JUST RAISING THAT. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT IS SOME THING YOU WOULD LIKE TO PERHAPS HAVE AT A FUTUR MEETING, OR IF YOU ALL COME PREPARED WITH IDEAS YOU WOULD LIKE TO DO.
THAT KIND OF TIES IN WITH SOMETHING WELL -- I GUESS STAFF COMMENTS PORTION, THEN WE ARE CONSIDERED CLOSED UNLESS WE
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HAVE -- THERE OKAY, YES, WE CAN MOVE ON TO YOUR COMMENTS. IKIND OF TIES IN WITH THAT. >> IT'S A PROBLEM THAT IS OF RELATIVELY RECENT ORIGIN, BECAUSE WE HAD A COUNTY REPRESENTATIVE WITH OUR BOARD FOR SOME TIME FOR THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS, AND THE PREVIUS INTERPRETATION WAS, ALTHOUGH THE SUNSHINE LAW WAS DEEMED TO PREVENT US FROM TALKING TO EACH OTHER IN FORMAL MEETINGS, WE COULD INDIVIDUALLY SEND INFORMATION TO THE COUNTY REPRESENTATIVE WHICH WOULD BE SHAREABLE AS AN EMAIL MESSAGE, OR AT LEAST EVERYONE WOULD BE AWARE THAT THERE'S AN ISSUE OU THERE TO BE ADDRESSED THE NEXT TIME WE MEET, AND THAT HELPS TO SOME DEGREE TO MOVE OUR BUSINESS ALONG . COULD WE STILL DO THAT?
>> THAT, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT IS WITHIN THE REALM OF THE SUNSHINE LAW. I FIGURE IF YOU HAVE AN ISSUE AND YOU WANTED BROUGHT UP THE NEXT AGENDA MEETING, I CAN CERTAINLY PUT IT ON THE AGENDA AS A TOPIC FOR DISCUSSION, BUT AS FAR AS YOU SENDING ME SOMETHING TO FUNNEL OUT -- THAT WOULD NOT BE
APPROPRIATE. >> WELCOME I'M JUST WONDERING WHY, BECAUSE WITH DEEMED APPROPRIATE BEFORE, AND WE WOULDN'T BE DISCUSSING WITH EACH OTHER, WE WOULD SIMPLY BE AWARE OF WHAT SOMEBODY HAD SUGGESTED IT
>> YES, I UNDERSTAND. AND WITH THAT A COUNTY ATTORNEY WAS HERE, WE HAD A DISCUSSION ON THAT, AND THAT IS NOT APPROPRIATE. SO, JUST BECAUSE YOU'VE DONE SOMETHING IN THE PAST DOESN'T MEAN IT'S RIGHT TO CONTINUE DOING MOVING FORWARD, IF YOU MADE A MISTAKE, YOU HAVE TO YOU KNOW, CONTINUE TRYING T DO THE BEST WITH THE RIGHT POLICY.
>> WELCOME YES, I JUST DON'T SEE WHICH PART OF THE SUNSHINE LAW WOULD BE VIOLATED IF YOU SHARED A ONE-WAY PIECE OF INFORMATION? WITH THE OTHER MEMBERS OF THE BOARD WHO ARE NO
DISCUSSING IT WITH EACH OTHER. >> OR MAKING A DECISION?
>> MY UNDERSTANDING OF THE SUNSHINE LIES THAT THAT IS NOT ACCEPTABLE , BECAUSE I WOULD BE A CONDUIT FOR YOU ALL, INAUDIBLE - OVERLAPPING SPEAKER ]
>> HAS THE BOARD, OR GENERAL COUNSEL OR WHATEVER WE CALL THAT LEGAL RESOURCE, DISCUSSED WAYS THAT WE COULD ADVANCE THE BUSINESS OF THIS BOARD TO B MORE AFFECT THAN IT IS NOW? WITH REGARDS TO GETTING ITS BUSINESS DONE?
>> THINGS WE'VE OVERLOOKED? >> IF YOU COULD TELL ME WHAT BUSINESS YOU FEEL WE NEED TO SOMEHOW MOVE ALONG, THAT WE ARE NOT ABLE TO DO IN THIS PUBLIC FORUM? I MEAN , WHAT? OKAY. AL RIGHT. MAY I ASK A QUESTION? IT MIGHT GO BACK TO WHAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT BEFORE WITH THE BUDGET. WERE YOU SUGGESTIN OR OFFERING THE IDEA THAT WE MIGHT SAY , TARGET WE WANT TO PUT UP THREE NEW MARKERS, STAT MARKERS EVERY YEAR? OR, WHATEVER THAT NUMBER IS, IS THA SOMETHING LIKE THAT ? AND THEN SEE WHAT ARE THE RESPONSIBILITIES WITH THAT?
>> THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT I WAS GETTING AT, OR IF YOU HAVE ANOTHER PROJECT, IF YOU WANT TO DO A DIFFERENT KIND ASSIGNOR DEVELOP ASSIGNED PROGRAM, YOU HAVE THIS FUNDING, AND YOU HAVE
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THE OPPORTUNITY, DO YOU WANT TO HAVE SOMEONE COME AND PROVIDE U YOU KNOW, HAVE A SPEAKER COME, AND EDUCATE THE COMMUNITY ON HISTORIC PRESERVATION? OR WHAT IS IT YOU WANT TO DO WITH YOUR MONEY THAT ACCOMPLISHES YOUR GOALS?>> SO WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO PROVIDE OURSELVES WITH SOME HIGHER LEVEL OF EDUCATION, OR INSIGHT INTO THIS PROCESS OVERALL, BUT WE ALSO MIGHT ALLOCATE SOME MONEY FOR EXAMPLE TO COUNTY MARKERS. I DON'T KNO IF THAT'S EVER BEEN WORK OUT MY BUTT IT DOES SEEM LIKE SOMETHIN THAT IS WERE TALKING ABOUT.
IT'S BEEN A WHILE, BUT SUCH ALLOCATIONS WERE MADE IN THE PAST AT CONFERENCES, AND SO FORTH.
>> THERE WAS ALSO SOMETHING ABOUT AND I'M NOT MILITARY, BU WERE TALKING ABOUT A COIN AT SOME POINT . YOU TALKED ABOUT SOME PROJECTS, BUT THEY ARE NO MOVING LONG, BUT MAYBE IF YOU WANTED DOING THESE THINGS, YOU WANT TO COME UP WITH WHAT YOU'R PROGRAM IS GOING TO BE IN A YEAR, AND PUT SOME DOLLARS TO THINGS IN TIME TO THINGS, AND BUDGET YOUR TIME AND MONEY SO THAT YOUR TIME -- IS VALUABLE, AND I KNOW YOU WANT TO GET
ACCOMPLISHED. >> AND HOW MUCH OF THE MARKERS
>> THE SINGLE-SIDED, I BELIEVE WAS GOODNESS, 28? I'LL GET YOU
THOSE NUMBERS. >> 2800 . I MAY HAVE IT WITH ME
BUT , DON'T QUOTE ME ON THAT. >> THESE ARE STATE MARKERS,
RIGHT ? >> YES THESE ARE THE STATE MARKERS, NOW YOU WANTED TO DO A LOCAL PROGRAM, PLAQUES, OR SIGNS, OR IF YOU WANTED TO TAL WITH BILLY ABOUT, YOU KNOW, CEMETERIES, PERHAPS, OR THINGS THAT PERHAPS MAYBE THE COUNTY COULD DO IN-HOUSE, AND OBVIOUSLY THERE'S SOME EXPENDITURE SO, WE COULD FIGUR OUT HOW THAT COULD BE HANDLED.
>> ONE THING THAT GOES ALONG WITH THAT IS, I GO AROUND, AND THINK MAYBE OTHER MEMBERS MIGHT HAVE HAD THIS EXPERIENCE, PEOPLE REALLY DON'T KNOW WHAT THE IS DORK PRESERVATION BOARD IS ABOUT, OR WHAT THEY DO, AND IF WE COULD HAVE SOME OUTREACH I DON'T KNOW IF AN ARTICLE, OR SOMETHING TO THE VARIOUS HISTORICAL SOCIETIES, BUT SOMETHING TO HAVE A MORE PUBLI FACE MAYBE THEN WE HAVE RIGHT NOW, WE MIGHT ATTRACT MORE SUBMISSIONS FOR POSSIBLE MARKERS. OKAY.
>> ARE MEETINGS, HOWEVER ARE POSTED IN THE COMMUNITY.
>> IT'S LIVE RIGHT NOW ON FACEBOOK, AND IF YOU ARE ON FACEBOOK, YOU CAN LOOK AND SEE HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE ACTUALLY VIEWED THE MEETING, I THINK THERE WAS 200, THAT'S A LOT LAST TIME. SO YOU ARE GETTING SOME VISIBILITY. WE ALSO HAVE A COMMUNICATIONS TEAMS THAT PROMOTES THE MEETING COMING UP.
REGARDING THE PROBLEM WE ENCOUNTERED WITH THE ST. MARY' WE HAVE FUTURE ONES THAT ARE HAVING INCORPORATED AREAS.
>> IS A PERMISSIBLE OR, DO WE JUST CHECK WITH GENERAL COUNSEL TO SEE IF WE COULD ENDORSE CREATION OF LIKE A MEMO OF UNDERSTANDING BETWEEN THEM IS PALLET IS IN THE COUNTY TO GET THIS PROCESS STARTED READILY, RATHER THAN AN AD HOC NEGOTIATION EVERY SINGLE TIME WHEN MARKERS ARE REQUESTED? I HAVE THAT NOTED , I WILL CHECK WITH OUR COUNTY ATTORNEY AND SE WHAT WE CAN DO, AND IT THERE IS ANYTHING THAT CAN BE DONE.
>> OTHER PROJECTS , SUCH AS RESCUE ARCHAEOLOGY UNDERTAKEN ABOUT GROUPS THAT ARE NOT UNDER THE DIRECT CONTROL OF THI BOARD, WOULD HE LOOKED UPON, I HOPE, FAVORABLY. WE COULD SOUN OUT THE COMMISSIONERS, OR WHOEVER, NEEDS TO SMILE, OR FROWN ON THESE IDEAS BECAUSE, SOMETHING LIKE THAT WAS PROPOSE NOT LONG AGO TO THE HISTORICAL SOCIETY. THAT'S THE WAY IT CAM TO OUR ATTENTION. ACCORDING TO A LOCAL ARCHAEOLOGIST WHO DID CONTRACT WORK THAT THERE'S ANY AREA UNDERNEATH, FOR EXAMPLE
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THE ASCENSION OF SAINT VINCENT PROJECT ALONG ROUTE 17 THAT FROM PREVIOUS INVESTIGATION BELIEVED TO BE PART OF THE BRITISH GOVERNORS PLANTATION ON GOVERNORS CREEK. THAT'S JUS AN EXAMPLE, BUT IF WE COULD SAY, WELL WE LIKE IT, AND WE ENCOURAGE SOMETHING WITHOUT ACTUALLY BEING PERSONALLY INVOLVED IN IT, THAT WOULD BE ALL RIGHT WE HOPE, BUT I DON'T WANT TO GET TOO FAR AHEAD OF WHATEVER OUR ROLE WOULD BE.>> AND BY THAT, YOUR SIN, WE SUPPORT THE EFFORT THAT THEY AR
DOING? >> SPEAKERS ] A RESOLUTION TO SUPPORT CERTAIN PROJECTS.
>> IN WHAT WE SPREAD? HOW WOUL WE SUPPORT IT, SAY WE LIKE IT?
>> NOT MONETARILY? >> NO. WE PROBABLY COULDN'T.
>> >> I JUST WANT TO ASK, YOU SAID DO YOU KNOW WHAT ARCHAEOLOGIST? OR WHAT SOURCE
SAID THAT? >> WELCOME OF THE LAST -- IT'S TRUE, THE LAST TIME THIS CAME U IN TERMS OF COUNTY EXPENDITURES, THAT I KNOW OF, IT WAS THE SITE OF SAN FRANCISCO THE HOOPOE ON AIRPORT WHICH IS ON THE SOUTH SIDE.
AND IT WAS ENCOURAGING FOR A LITTLE WILD AT THE COUNTY WENT SO FAR AS TO HAVE AN INITIAL QUICK SURVEY BY ARCHAEOLOGISTS OF THAT SITE AND THE REPORT WA FAVORABLE SOMEHOW, AND IT STIL CAN DO NOTHING, BUT APPARENTLY THIS MIGHT BE DONE IF WE COULD INTRODUCE IT THE RIGHT WAY -- SPEAKERS ] I WAS WONDERING, TH INITIAL EMPTY SIDE OF THE PRESENTATION THERE, DO YOU KNOW THE SOURCE OF WHERE THAT'S FROM THE INITIAL CLAIM ABOUT IT BEING A PLANTATION ON SAINT VINCENT'S, BECAUSE IF YOU KNOW, DO YOU KNOW LIKE SOURCE WHERE
THERE IS EVIDENCE FOR THAT? >> YEAH, I GUESS I COULD ASK HIM IF I CAN GET HOLD OF THAT ARCHAEOLOGIST AND ASK HIM WHICH PORTIONS OF ANY ARE ALREADY REGISTERED WITH THE STATE, THA WOULD BE HELPFUL. AS SIGNIFICANT SITES THAT ARE ALREADY KNOWN TO THEM WOULD HEL .
>> WEARS IS LOCATED? WHERE IS THIS LOCATED? YOU SAID IT IS -- IS RIGHT ALONG ROUTE 7 TEEN IN GREEN COVE.
>> NO, GREEN COVE SPRINGS. GOVERNORS CREEK UNIT, EMPTIES OUT IN RICO SPRINGS DOMAIN. AND IT'S ON THE SOUTH SIDE ACCORDING TO THE FINDING OF THIS ARCHAEOLOGIST.
>> BEYOND THAT, OF COURSE, THERE'S ADJACENT AREAS THAT ARE PRIVATELY OWNED, BUT STILL ALSO CONSIDERED IN PLACES WHER ARTIFACTS AND OTHER EVIDENCE HAVE BEEN UNCOVERED IN THE PAST WOULD NEED TO BE CAUTIOUS ON SUCH ACTIVITIES, BECAUSE THERE ARE CERTAIN ARCHAEOLOGISTS GROUPS, OR INDIVIDUALS THAT CLAIM TO THEIR MAIN INTEREST I PRESERVING ARCHAEOLOGY, BUT WHEN IN FACT, SOME OF THE STUFF AMMA OR MOST OF THE STUFF THAT THEY FIND AT ANY GIVEN SITE, WHICH IS IN THEIR PROPERTY, THEY MAKE A PROFIT OFF OF IT, AND THEY SELL IT. AND, I'VE DONE SOME RESEARCH ON A COUPLE OF THOSE -- YEAH, WELL, ANY SUCH THINGS, IF THERE WAS SUCH PROJECT, WHICH WE ENDORSED, OF COURSE, THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE REQUIREMENT THAT THESE OBJECTS WOULD BE TURNED OVER EITHER TO THE STATE OR THE COUNTY, AS TH
CASE MAY BE NATURALLY. >> BUT, I HAPPEN TO KNOW THE PERSON WHO'S INVOLVED IN THIS PROPOSAL WAS INSTRUMENTAL IN HELPING TO SAVE WHAT WAS LEFT OF THE SITE OF THE CEMETERY AT MIDDLEBURG THAT WAS ABOUT TO B COMPLETED BULLDOZE. WAS ALREAD PARTLY BEING BULLDOZED AND THE HELPED RESCUE THEM, AND THE EVIDENCE THEY SUPPLIED HELP TO MOBILIZE THE COUNTY TO MAKE IT INACCESSIBLE FOR THE FURTHER DEVELOPMENT BY THIS PERSON.
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SO, -- I HAVE A QUESTION FOR BETH.>> SORRY, NOT RELATED TO THIS, SO WHEN YOU SENT ME -- I ASKED FOR THE SOURCES FOR THE MARKER, FOR THAT LLF MARKER , AND YOU SEND THEM TO ME. I DIDN'T RESPOND. AND I GUESS NOW THAT WE HAVE A CLARIFICATION O IF I DID RESPOND YOU SENT THAT TO DEIDRE, IT WOULD'VE BEEN AGAINST THE SUNSHINE? RIGHT? LIKE, I ASK YOU FOR THE SOURCES? SO I COULD PULL THEM UP CORRECTLY, YOU SEND THEM TO ME, BUT IF I FORMAT THEM CORRECTLY, AND THEN YOU SENT THEM TO DEIDRE, OR TO OTHER MEMBERS, THAT WOULD BE LIKE, YO WOULD BE LIKE , COMMUNICATING, RIGHT, YES, BUT IF YOU SENT IT TO ME, I CAN PRESENT IT AT THE NEXT BOARD MEETING , YES, AND THEN EVERYONE CAN SEE IT.
>> OH, THAT IS THE WAY YOU DO IT. BUT, I DIDN'T COMPLETE THEM, BECAUSE I WAS LOOKING AT IT, AND I REALIZE WITH THE AUTHOR DATE STYLE FOR REFERENCES, I'D HAVE TO ASK A LOT OF QUESTIONS, SO I COULDN'T DO THAT, BECAUSE WHOEVER MADE THE SOURCES, I NEED MORE INFORMATION ABOUT LIKE, SOME O THE THINGS THAT YOU SENT ME WAS LIKE A LINK, AND THEN THE LINK, IT WAS A GENERAL PAGE. I NEED TO KNOW WHERE THE EXACT ARTICLE WAS THAT FROM WITHIN THE PAGE AND IN CERTAIN PARTS, DID YOU USE A CERTAIN PARAGRAPH ONLY, DID YOU USE THE ENTIRE TEXT AND BASE IT ON THAT FOR PROPER CITATION, SO -- I BELIEVE YOU COULD REACH OUT TO ARCHIVES OFFICE, BECAUSE I BELIEVE SHE WAS ONE THE DEVELOP THAT RESOURCE LIST, AND SHE COULD PROBABLY HELP YOU FURTHER, BECAUSE MUCH OF THAT INFORMATION CAME FROM THEIR APPLICATION THAT THEY PUT TOGETHER FOR THE THE ELECTRICA GRANT. I THINK MUCH OF THAT CAM FROM THAT ARTICLE THAT THEY WROTE. SO, SHE WOULD BE ABLE T GIVE ME THE EXACT -- INAUDIBLE - OVERLAPPING SPEAKER ]
>> ABSOLUTELY SHE CAN, WHAT I JUST GO TO THE JAIL ONE DAY.
>> YOU COULD, I WOULD SUGGEST CALLING. SHE'S BUSY.
>> JUST KIDDING. >> I HAVE ONE OTHER THING I
WOULD LIKE TO BRING UP. >> A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, WE HAD A CLASS THAT WAS GIVEN BY INDISCERNIBLE ], DO YOU REMEMBE THAT? DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE PROCESS WAS FOR GETTING THEM T GIVE ANOTHER INFORMATIVE CLASS IT WAS PRETTY -- IT GAVE US A
LOT OF INFORMATION. >> SO DID SOMEONE COME OUT AND DO A PRESENTATION? OR WAS IT MY POWERPOINT THAT I BROUGHT FROM WHAT I HAD LEARNED? IT WAS A PRESENTATION THEY HAD PUT TOGETHER AND I ASKED PERMISSIO TO SHARE WITH YOU, THE SECRETARY? ON THE CEMETERY? YES IT WAS A PRESENTATION, AND IT
WAS IN THIS ROOM ? >> YES, I THINK THAT IS WHAT IT WAS THEN. CERTAINLY IF THERE I A TOPIC, IF YOU WANT ME TO RESEARCH SOMETHING, THERE IS A GROUP THAT YOU KNOW OF THAT AS SPEAKER, WE'D BE HAPPY TO SEE I WE CAN GET SOMEBODY TO COME OUT AND EDUCATEALL OF US HIM ACTUALLY. AS WELL AS THE PUBLIC SO, THEY DO THAT. IF YOU HAVE A TOPIC OR WANT TO LEARN SOMETHING. I WILL TELL YOU, I DID ATTEND THE AMERICAN PLANNING ASSOCIATION IN THE FLORIDA CONFERENCE, WHICH WAS HERE IN JACKSONVILLE, AND I ATTENDED SOME SESSIONS ON HISTORIC PRESERVATION, BECAUSE NEED TO LEARN, AND SO I HAVE SOME RESOURCES, I JUST HAVEN'T QUITE HAD THE TIME TO DIG IN TO
WHAT I FOUND OUT. >> ONE LESS THING I'D LIKE YOU TO VERIFY WITH THE PEOPLE WHO MAKE THE CALLS ON THIS THING, I WITH THE COUNTY HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH THIS BOARD WORKING ON THE DEVELOP OF THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION ORDINANC EVEN FOR THE COUNTY AS A WHOLE, OR TO SUPPORT RESIDENCE WHICH WOULD BE LOCAL BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ANY THAT I KNOW OF? ORANGE PARK HAS BEEN WORKING ON ONE FOR I THINK AT LEAST THREE YEARS BUT THEY HAVE NOT REACHE ANY SORT OF CONCLUSION WITH THA ONE, EITHER. BUT I'M AWARE FOR EXAMPLE COMMENTS JACKSONVILLE AND SAINT JOHN'S COUNTY, THEY HAVE WHAT HAS REALLY HELPED TO
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MAKE SURE -- THE LACES OF COURSE COMPLETELY PLOWED UNDER FOR GOOD, BUT MEANINGFUL SURVEY ARCHAEOLOGICALLY HAS BEEN MADE . SO, UNLESS THERE'S SOME OBSTACLE TO THAT, I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF US EXPLORING YOU KNOW, MODELS THAT MIGHT BEPROPOSED. >> YOU CERTAINLY CAN DO THAT A OF WARD. YOU CAN PUT THAT TOGETHER, THINK THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS WORKED ON IN THE PAST, WASN'T IT?
>> I DON'T HAVE THEM. >> WRITTEN DOWN YET. BUT, THEY LIVE ON WEBSITES, OF VARIOUS KINDS OF -- AND IT ERRANTLY DEVOL COUNTY HAS AN UNUSUAL THING WHERE CERTAIN ZONES WITHIN THE GREATER JACKSON FIELD COUNTY, GUESS THERE ARE THREE OR FOUR, AND EACH ONE HAS A SORT OF VARIATION DEPENDING O THE PREFERENCES OF THE PEOPLE WILL THAT THEY WOULD HAVE AT THOSE ZONES. THAT IS ONE MODEL AND I GUESS JOHN SAYS ANOTHER WITH REGARD TO THE TERRITORY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE BUT SINCE THEY'VE ACTUALLY GOTTEN THESE THINGS ON THE BOOKS CERTAINLY IT MIGHT BE WELL WORTH RECOVERING THESE THINGS AND STARTING TO LOOK THEM OVER AND SEE WHETHER THEY CAN BE ENDORSE BY THE COMMISSIONERS AND THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THOSE AREAS
>> INCORPORATED, NOT INCORPORATED, BECAUSE, WITH AL OF THIS WELL, THIS RAP AWAY DEVELOPMENT AND DEVOL COUNTY O THESE SITES, YOU KNOW, TRACTS O LANDS THAT ARE BEING CHANGED FOREVER. ONCE THEY'RE BUILT OVER , AND SOME OF THEM WE HAV EVERY REASON TO THINK HAVE SOME SIGNIFICANT THINGS THAT SHOULD AT LEAST BE MEMORIALIZED BEFORE THAT HAPPENED. SO, IF WE HAD SUCH ORDINANCES, AT LEAST WE WOULD KNOW THAT THEY WERE STUDIED BY PROFESSIONALS FOR A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME AT LEAST BEFORE THAT PROCESS OVERTAKES THE SITES.
>> ONE THING WE MIGHT CONSIDER, AN I KNOW THAT NATIONAL PARKS SERVICE WITH THE NATIONAL REGISTER OF HISTORIC LACES COM IN MANY STATES AND MUNICIPALITIES HAVE THESE, TO HIT LISTS OF THE MOST ENDANGERED BUILDINGS AND THEY ARE RANKED, AND THEY ARE PUBLICIZED, AND IT IS A WAY OF GATHERING INFORMATION, BUT ALS SHARING THE INFORMATION THAT I
OUR ENDANGERED PROPERTIES. >> YES, TRUE. AND THAT IS THE AND THAT WE CAN START TO WORK TOWARD. WE'RE TRYING TO FIGUR OUT HOW OUR GIS DEPARTMENT CAN START TO DO HEAT MAPPING WHERE IT SHOWS US PROPERTIES THAT ARE FIFTH 2+ YEARS ARE OLDER. IN THAT THE RANGES AND WHERE THESE POCKETS AND PROPERTIES ARE BASED ON THE LATEST DATE OF CONSTRUCTION. SO, I CAN WORK TOWARDS THAT, GETTING THAT INFORMATION FOR YOU, SO YOU CAN SEE AND THEN IF YOU SEE THAT THERE ARE CONCENTRATIONS, MAYBE WE NEED TO WORK TO HAVE AN ASSESSMENT OF THAT AREA.
>> OR POSSIBLY, AND INVENTORY. I KNOW THAT AND YOU PROBABLY SEEN THE ORANGE PARK INVENTORY OF HISTORIC PROPERTIES WHERE THEY WENT THROUGH THE WHOLE TOWN, AND IT'S AMAZING, THE
NUMBER OF HISTORIC PROPERTIES. >> BUT OBVIOUSLY THE COUNTY I 644 MILES, SO WOULD BE MORE DIFFICULT, SO IF THERE ARE POCKETS WE CAN IDENTIFY. MIDDLEBURG IS NOT INCORPORATED, SO YOU'VE GOT A NUMBER OF HOUSING BUILDINGS IN THAT AREA INFORMATION ABOUT WHERE THE HOUSES OF BILL.
>> IT'S ON THE PROPERTY APPRAISER SITE. WHEN YOU LOOK A THE PARCEL, YOU CAN SEE THE STRUCTURES THAT ARE BUILT ON THAT PARCEL WHETHER IT'S A SINGLE-FAMILY HOUSE OR GARAGE O
WHATEVER, YOU CAN SEE THAT DATE >> IN MIDDLEBURG , ALL THE BUILDINGS ARE OLD, AREN'T THEY?
>> EXTREMELY. BUT IT'S VERY HISTORIC, THERE ARE A LOT OF REALLY AMAZING HISTORY . DESTINY MEMBER HAVE FURTHER COMMENTS THAT THEY WOULD LIKE T MAKE BEFORE WE ADJOURN?
>> OKAY. I GUESS I CAN SIMPL ADJOURN THE MEETING, YES?
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