[Call to Order] [00:00:14] >>> Y'ALL READY? I'M GOING TO ASK COMMISSIONER HOWARD TO JOIN US IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. >> I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION, UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. >> THANK YOU EVERYONE AND WELCOME TO THE CLAY COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING OF OCTOBER 3, 2023. THE MEETING IS NOW CALLED TO ORDER. MY NAME IS MARY BRIDGEMAN I'M CHAIR OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION. MINUTES WILL BE TAKEN BY THE SECRETARY FOR THE CLERK OF COURT'S OFFICE. OTHER STAFF PRESENT INCLUDE ED LAYMAN, DIRECTOR OF PLANNING & ZONING. LET'S SEE, WE HAVE MIKE GRAHAM OUR ZONING CHIEF. AND WE HAVE OUR COUNTY ATTORNEY, COURTNEY GRIM AND JAIME HOFTA, ASSISTANT COUNTY ATTORNEY. IS THERE ANY OTHER COUNTY STAFF THAT I NEED TO RECOGNIZE? I DID. SO I WANT TO THANK DEPUTIES ASH AND MESSER OF THE CLAY COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE FOR PROVIDING SECURITY THIS EVENING. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. SO I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS. TO MY RIGHT I HAVE VICE CHAIR PETE DAVIS. I HAVE COMMISSIONER HOWARD, RALPH PUCKHABER, JOE ANZALONE, COMMISSIONER BILL GARRISON, AND COMMISSIONER LANCE ADDISON REPRESENTING THE SCHOOL BOARD. MOST OF THE DECISIONS MADE BY THE PLANNING COMMISSIONS ARE R RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS OR BCC. THE BCC WILL HAVE THE FINAL SAY AT THEIR MEETING ON, WHICH ONE IS IT THE 10TH? >> THE 28TH. >> THE FIRST ONE? >> THE SECOND ONE. >> OH THE SECOND ONE ON OCTOBER 24TH WHICH IS THE FOURTH TUESDAY. AND THAT'S THREE WEEKS FROM TONIGHT. THE ZONING PORTION OF THE BCC MEETING IS HELD DURING THE REGULAR BCC MEETING WHICH STARTS AT 4:00 P.M. AND I BELIEVE THESE MATTERS ARE A TIME CERTAIN STARTING AT 5:00. IF THERE IS AN ITEM ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA THAT YOU WISH TO SPEAK ABOUT, PLEASE FILL OUT ONE OF THE COMMENT CARDS WHICH YOU CAN FIND IN THE ENTRY AND PLEASE GIVE IT TO MS. BLANCHETT. AT THIS TIME WE REQUEST THAT YOU PUT YOUR CELL PHONES ON VIBRATE. IF YOU NEED TO TAKE A CALL DURING THE MEETING, PLEASE STEP OUTSIDE. [1.  Approval of Minutes] IF YOU NEED TO LEAVE DURING THE MEETING, PLEASE DO SO QUIETLY. THE FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES OF THE SEPTEMBER 5TH MEETING OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION. DO I HEAR A MOTION? >> SO MOVED. >> SECOND. >> MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY AYE? >> AYE. >> ANY OPPOSED SAME SIGN. MOTION CARRIES. THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS A PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD. AT THIS TIME ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC MAY COMMENT ON ITEMS NOT ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA BUT PERTINENT TO THE BUSINESS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION. I DO NOT HAVE ANY COMMENT CARDS FOR THIS PORTION, BUT I'LL GO AHEAD AND OPEN THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD AND AGAIN THIS IS ONLY FOR ITEMS THAT ARE NOT ON OUR AGENDA TONIGHT IF THERE'S ANYONE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK TO SOMETHING THAT RELATES TO OUR RESPONSIBILITIES. SEEING NO ONE, I'LL CLOSE THE OPEN PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD. NOW BEFORE WE BEGIN THE PUBLIC HEARING, MS. BLANCHETT WILL SWEAR IN ANYONE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF OR IN OPPOSITION TO AN APPLICATION. SO ANYONE THAT IS PLANNING TO SPEAK TONIGHT, YOU'LL NEED TO RISE AND WE'LL ADMINISTER THE OATH ALL TOGETHER. IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WANTS TO SPEAK? JUST RAISE YOUR, YEAH JUST STAND UP. >> DO YOU SOLEMNLY SWEAR OR AFFIRM THE TESTIMONY YOU'RE ABOUT TO GIVE WILL BE THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH SO HELP YOU GOD? THANK YOU. [1.  Public Hearing to consider COMP 0823-0009 and ZON 0823-00018. Dist. 4, Commissioner Condon. (M. Brown)] [00:05:11] >> THE FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT IS A PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER COMP 0823-0009 AND ZON 0823-00018 AND THIS IS PRESENTED BY MICHAEL BROWN, OUR ZONING CHIEF. PLEASE GO AHEAD AND PRESENT BOTH ITEMS. >> MADAM CHAIR AND THE BOARD, THIS IS A JOINT APPLICATION FOR COMPANION APPLICATIONS FOR LAND USE AND ZONING CHANGE. THE APPLICANT IS DAVID AND KIMBERLY ALLARD. THE AGENT IS VICTOR CIVIL ENGINEERING. AS I INDICATED IT'S A REQUEST A SMALL-SCALE LAND USE AMENDMENT TO CHANGE FROM 4.4 ACRES FROM RURAL RESIDENTIAL TO COMMERCIAL AND A COMPANION ZONING CHANGE FOR THE SAME 4.4 ACRE PARCELS FROM NEIGHBORHOOD RESIDENTIAL TO AGRICULTURAL BUSINESS. IT'S IN THE KEYSTONE HEIGHTS BUSINESS DISTRICT 4, THAT'S COMMISSIONER CONDON'S DISTRICT. THIS WILL BE HEARD ON OCTOBER 24TH AT 5:00 P.M. BY THE COMMISSIONERS. A LITTLE BACKGROUND, THE PROPERTY IMMEDIATELY TO THE NORTH IS A PARCEL WITH COMMERCIAL LAND USE AND HAS A GAS STATION. PARCELS TO THE SOUTHEAST ARE ZONED AGRICULTURAL RESIDENTIAL. WHILE THE PARCELS WEST ACROSS COUNTY ROAD 14 ARE ZONED RA, SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL. THE STATED PURPOSE OF THE REQUESTED REZONING AND LAND USE CHANGE IS FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF A CONVENIENCE RETAIL STORE. HERE'S AN AERIAL SHOWING THE LOCATION OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. ON THE LEFT WE HAVE AN EXISTING LAND USE MAP. ANALYZING THE EXISTING LAND USE CHANGE AND ZONING REQUEST, THE 40% FAR BASED ON THE ACREAGE OF THE PARCEL WOULD BE APPROXIMATELY 76,665 SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL RETAIL SPACE. I'D JUST LIKE TO POINT OUT IN THE APPLICATION IT STATES IT'S FOR A 76,665 SQUARE FOOT DEVELOPMENT. BUT THE MAXIMUM ALLOWED WOULD BE THAT 40% FAR. TRIP GENERATION FOR A STANDING DISCOUNT STORE BASED ON THE MAXIMUM ALLOWABLE DEVELOPMENT WOULD BE EQUIVALENT TO 337 PM PEAK HOUR TRIPS. THERE IS AN EXISTING 16 INCH WATER MAIN ALONG 214 THAT WOULD PROVIDE POTABLE WATER TO THE SITE. WASTEWATER WOULD BE HANDLED BY ON-SITE SEPTIC. SOLID WASTE, CLAY COUNTY HAS AVAILABLE CAPACITY AT ITS LANDFILL FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS SITE. NO IMPACT TO SCHOOLS. SITE IS LOCATED IN FLOOD ZONE X. THERE IS A LIMITED FLOOD HAZARD. NO IMPACT TO REGIONAL SIGNIFICANT HABITATS. AND THE PARCEL IS NOT LOCATED IN THE NOISE LAND USE IMPACT AREA ASSOCIATED WITH CAMP BLANDING. FUTURE LAND USE POLICY 1.4.8 LIMITS SMALL SCALE FUTURE LAND USE AMENDMENTS TO COMMERCIAL TO EITHER INFILL PROJECTS OR PROJECTS THAT EXHIBIT A UNIFIED PLAN OF DEVELOPMENT. AS I INDICATED EARLIER, THE PARCEL IS LOCATED IMMEDIATELY [00:10:01] ADJACENT TO A COMMERCIAL PARCEL TO THE NORTH. HOWEVER THERE IS NO COMMERCIAL OR INDUSTRIAL USES WITHIN 500 FEET TO THE SOUTH AND THEREFORE THE PARCEL DOES NOT MEET THE CRITERIA FOR INFILL DEVELOPMENT ASSET FORTH IN THIS POLICY. IN SUMMARY, AS I INDICATED THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CHANGE OF LAND USE FROM AR TO COMMERCIAL AND A CHANGE OF ZONING OF THE SAME PARCEL FROM AR TO BA. THERE IS ADEQUATE UTILITIES AVAILABLE. THERE IS AN EXISTING COMMERCIAL IMMEDIATELY TO THE NORTH. ALTHOUGH HOWEVER THE INFILL POLICY AT 1.4.8 IS NOT NECESSARILY MET BECAUSE THERE IS NO COMMERCIAL OR INDUSTRIAL TO THE SOUTH. HOWEVER STAFF DOES NOT BELIEVE IT WILL PROMOTE URBAN SPRAWL BECAUSE IT SEEMS TO BE A LOGICAL EXTENSION OF THE EXISTING COMMERCIAL ALONG THE STATE ROAD 100 AT ITS INTERSECTION WITH COUNTY ROAD 214. THE REQUEST IS CONSISTENT WITH OTHER GOALS, OBJECTIVES, AND POLICIES OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. STAFF HAS DETERMINED THAT THE ZONING REQUEST IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING USES. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE COMP PLAN AMENDMENT 0823-0009 TO AMEND FROM 4.4 ACRES AR TO COMMERCIAL. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ZON-0823-00018 TO AMEND THE ZONING MAP FOR THE 4.4 ACRES FROM AR TO BA CONTINGENT ON APPROVAL OF THE LAND USE CHANGE. I WOULD LIKE TO ALSO POINT OUT THAT WE HAVE RECEIVED A NUMBER OF NOTICES AND COMMENTS REGARDING THIS PROPOSED CHANGE, LAND USE AND ZONING. AND WE'VE PROVIDED THOSE TO YOU AT YOUR SEAT. THE ONES WE HAD IN TIME WE SENT OUT TO YOU AHEAD OF TIME. DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF? >> QUESTIONS FOR MR. BROWN. >> MR. BROWN, HAVEN'T WE DONE A COMMERCIAL ADJACENT WHEN WE'RE ADDING ON THE COMMERCIAL THAT IT'S NOT REALLY INFILL BUT IT'S A LINEAR EXTENSION, WE'VE DONE THAT BEFORE? >> YEAH, WE HAVE. >> IT'S ON -- HELLO. THE OTHER ISSUE THAT I WANTED TO ASK ABOUT, YOU SAID THERE'S WATER SERVICE AT THIS SITE? >> YEAH. >> NO SEWER YET THOUGH? >> RIGHT. >> NOT SURE I WANT TO BRING THIS UP AT THIS POINT, BUT AT SOME POINT WE NEED TO LOOK AT ANYTHING THAT'S GOING TO BE GOING COMMERCIAL. YOU KNOW, OUR FRIENDS IN TALLAHASSEE PRETTY MUCH STUCK IT TO THE LOCAL GOVERNMENTS AGAIN. THERE'S AN ACT CALLED LIVE LOCAL WHICH I DON'T THINK TOO MANY PEOPLE ARE FAMILIAR WITH WHICH I'M GOING TO ASK STAFF AT SOME POINT TO DO A BETTER EXPLANATION OF IT, BUT AS I SAID IT IF LAND USE IS COMMERCIAL OR INDUSTRIAL, THE DEVELOPER CAN COME IN AND PUT APARTMENTS ON THAT PROPERTY AS LONG AS 40% OF THEM ARE LOW INCOME AND THERE IS NOTHING THE COUNTY CAN DO TO STOP IT. THERE'S ALSO SOME OTHER FLAWS IN IT. BUT I JUST WANTED TO BRING THAT UP BECAUSE EVERY TIME WE LOOK AT A COMMERCIAL PARCEL NOW OR CHANGING SOMETHING TO COMMERCIAL, WE HAVE TO BE COGNIZANT OF THE FACT THAT THAT COULD BE THE OUTCOME. NOW THIS PARCEL DOESN'T QUALIFY RIGHT NOW I DON'T THINK BECAUSE THERE'S NO SEWER. >> RIGHT. >> BUT IF SOMEBODY RAN SEWER TO THIS PARCEL, IT WILL QUALIFY. >> THANK YOU. DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? MR. DAVIS. >> IN THE WRITE UP IT SAYS RETAIL STORES AND SHOPS -- SO EACH CANNOT BE GREATER THAN 2500 SQUARE FEET; IS THAT RIGHT? >> THE BA ZONING DISTRICT ALSO ALLOWS BA1 AND BA2. BA DOES NOT HAVE THAT LIMIT. [00:15:04] BUT WE INCLUDE THOSE OTHER DISTRICTS BECAUSE THEY ARE ALLOWED IN THERE. AND THAT RESTRICTION FOR THE 2500 SQUARE FEET IS IN THE BA, I BELIEVE IT'S BA-TWO. SO THAT'S WHY THAT'S THERE. BUT GOING TO BA, YOU WOULD NOT HAVE THAT RESTRICTION. >> SO THE ALLOWED GROSS SQUARE FOOTAGE IS 76,000 SQUARE FEET. >> LIMITED BY THE FLOOR AREA RATIO THAT'S SET FORTH IN THE COMP PLAN AND THE BA ZONING DISTRICT AS THE MAXIMUM POTENTIAL. >> I THINK MR. BOURRE HAS A QUESTION. >> I KNOW THERE ARE SOME LIMITS TO THE USAGE OF COMMERCIAL BY APPLICATION AND WASTEWATER AS A SEPTIC. CAN YOU SHED A LITTLE BIT OF LIGHT ON WHAT SOME OF THE LIMITATIONS WOULD BE? I KNOW A LAUNDRY MAT FOR INSTANCE CAN'T USE A SEPTIC, IT'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE CONNECTED TO -- BUT ARE THERE ANY USES YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH ON THE COMMERCIAL SIDE THAT WILL NOT BE ALLOWED? >> TO ATTEMPT TO ANSWER IN THIS SPECIFIC CASE NOT RELATED TO THE BA ZONING DISTRICT USES. I DON'T BELIEVE THERE ARE ANY THAT WOULD BE ALLOWED THAT COULD NOT BE DONE ON AN ON SITE SEPTIC. >> ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. >> ARE THERE ANYMORE QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION BEFORE WE HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT? ALL RIGHT, AT THIS TIME WE INVITE THE APPLICANT'S AGENT TO COME FORWARD AND PROVIDE A PRESENTATION TO US. PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS BEFORE YOU BEGIN SPEAKING. I DON'T KNOW IF OUR LIGHT SYSTEM IS WORKING, ACTUALLY WE DON'T APPLY THAT -- >> NO. >> GOOD EVENING, CHAIR. THANK YOU. MY NAME IS HOLLY IRISH. OUR ADDRESS IS 1449 SOUTHWEST 74TH DRIVE GAINESVILLE, FLORIDA. >> COULD YOU PULL THE MIC A LITTLE BIT CLOSER AND SPEAK UP. >> YES. IS THAT BETTER? >> MUCH BETTER. THANK YOU. >> MR. BROWN DID A REALLY GREAT JOB OF COVERING THE INFORMATION FOR THIS. A LOT OF IT WILL BE REPEAT, BUT I WON'T REHASH ALL OF THIS. THANK YOU. SO REALLY JUST I'LL REITERATE THAT WE ARE HERE FOR A FUTURE LAND USE AMENDMENT AND REZONING FOR THE ENTIRE FOUR ACRE PARCEL FROM AGRICULTURAL RESIDENTIAL TO COMMERCIAL LAND USE AND TO BUSINESS. THERE'S A COUPLE OF LAND USE MAPS WHICH YOU'VE SEEN THOSE AND THE ZONING MAP. THE NEXT SLIDE WITH THE AERIAL VIEW OF THE SITE. SO THIS JUST KIND OF GIVES AN INDICATION OF WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE NOW. STATE ROAD 100 IS TO THE EAST OF THE SITE AND IT'S SANDWICHED BETWEEN COUNTY ROAD 214 WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD BUSINESS ZONING WHICH IS THE CIRCLE K GAS STATION. THERE IS AN EXISTING BARN ON THE SITE, THE DEVELOPMENT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WON'T IMPACT THAT. JUST SOME KEY POINTS THAT MR. BROWN HAD ALREADY TOUCHED ON, BUT IT'S SANDWICHED BETWEEN 2 MAJOR COLLECTOR ROADS AND THERE IS EXISTING COMMERCIAL IN THE AREA WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD BUSINESS ZONING THAT WE ARE SEEKING TODAY. AND THE INTENTION OF THIS IS TO PROVIDE THE GOODS AND SERVICES TO RESIDENTS SOUTH OF KEYSTONE HEIGHTS TO REDUCE ANY CONGESTION THAT'S NEEDED IN THE CITY. AS WAS MENTIONED THERE'S AN EXISTING WATER MAIN ALONG COUNTY ROAD 214 SO WE WOULD EXTEND THAT ACROSS THE NORTHERN PORTION OF THIS PARCEL AND TO THE STATE ROAD 100 RIGHT OF WAY. SO MORE THAN WE ACTUALLY NEED WE'RE ALSO PROPOSING TO PROVIDE AN EASEMENT ON THE PROPERTY LINE AND ON THE EAST SIDE SO IT CAN BE EXTENDED IN THE FUTURE AND THAT WAS BASED ON OUR COORDINATION THAT WE HAD WITH CCUA. SO PROJECT SUMMARY IS BASICALLY EVERYTHING THAT I JUST SAID. OF COURSE WE UNDERSTAND THAT THE LAND USE CHANGE AND REZONING IS NOT TIED TO A SPECIFIC TENANT AS IT'S DIRECTLY RELATED TO THE COMP PLAN. BUT WE DID WANT TO BE TRANSPARENT ABOUT WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY. SO THE NEXT SLIDE WE HAVE THE SITE PLAN WHICH IS JUST A CONCEPT Y'ALL PLAN THAT CAME [00:20:04] FROM OUR PRE-APPLICATION MEETINGS WITH -- CONCEPTUAL PLAN THAT CAME FROM OUR PRE-APPLICATION MEETINGS WITH CLAY COUNTY. IF YOU CAN GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, THAT'S PROBABLY WHAT MOST PEOPLE WOULD LIKE TO SEE HERE. THIS IS WHAT CAME OUT OF OUR MEETING. WE'RE PROPOSING A 12,480 SQUARE FOOT DOLLAR GENERAL STORE. THIS IS THEIR CURRENT MARKET PROTOTYPE THAT HAS FRESH PRODUCE AND MEATS AVAILABLE THERE. SITE PLAN OF COURSE WOULD UNDERGO PERMITTING WITH CLAY COUNTY AND CCUA AND DOT AND ALL OF THAT AND ALL OF THE DETAILS WOULD BE REQUIRED TO MEET THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. BUT WE THINK THAT THIS DOES RIGHT NOW AS IT STANDS. RELATED TO SEPTIC, IT WAS OUTSIDE OF THE REASONABLE LIMITS TO EXTEND ANYTHING. WE WOULD HAVE TO PERMIT WITH THE STATE OF FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH TO HAVE THE SEPTIC THERE. ANY DEVELOPMENT WOULD HAVE TO DO THAT. SO THAT WILL BE PART OF THAT PERMITTING APPROVAL PROCESS IN GENERAL AS WELL. I HAVEN'T ACTUALLY SEEN ANY COMMENTS, BUT A COMMON QUESTION THAT WE GET IN SOME OF THESE AREAS IS WHY DO WE NEED ANOTHER DOLLAR GENERAL? SO VECTOR CIVIL ENGINEERING, WE HAVE NO PART IN THE MARKET ANALYSIS, THAT COMES FROM DOLLAR GENERAL, THEY IDENTIFY MARKET AREAS. AND THIS BUSINESS MODEL IS REALLY SET TO SERVE NEIGHBORHOOD RESIDENTS AND ESPECIALLY KIND OF OUT OF A CITY CENTER AREA, THAT IS THE WHOLE POINT OF THIS TO BE A REALLY GOOD CONVENIENT SPOT TO PICK UP HOUSE GOODS AND GROCERIES. SO THE MARKET ANALYSIS IS BASED ON THAT. WE THINK THAT THIS ZONING FITS THE MODEL FOR THIS. AND WE AGREE WITH THE EXTENSION OF THE EXISTING COMMERCIAL THERE. SO HOPEFULLY YOU ALL WILL TOO, BUT I WOULD BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE. >> DO MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION HAVE QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? >> I JUST HAVE ONE. CAN YOU ANSWER MR. BOURRE'S QUESTION ABOUT THE SEPTIC SITUATION ON THAT PROPERTY. DO YOU KNOW HOW LARGE OF A SEPTIC SYSTEM THEY WOULD HAVE TO HAVE TO ACCOMMODATE THAT? >> I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT SQUARE FOOTAGE OR THE VOLUME THAT THAT WOULD BE. I DID NOT LOOK THAT UP. WE HAVE AN AREA IDENTIFIED ON THE SITE PLAN THAT'S THE ACTUAL SQUARE FOOTAGE THAT WE ASSUME IT WILL BE BASED ON REDOING THIS TYPE OF STORE ALL THE TIME. >> WOULD THAT SYSTEM BE COMPLETELY UNDERGROUND? >> YES. >> SO THERE WOULD BE NO ABOVEGROUND TANKS, ANYTHING OF THAT NATURE? >> NO, ALL UNDERGROUND. >> YOU MIGHT WANT TO HAVE SOME MORE SPECIFIC INFORMATION BECAUSE I HAVE A FEELING THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS IS GOING TO WANT TO KNOW THAT AS WELL. THE OTHER QUESTION I HAD, IF YOU DON'T KNOW IT, MAYBE MR. BROWN DOES, HOW CLOSE TO THIS SITE IS SEWER SERVICE? >> I DON'T HAVE THAT ANSWER. WHEN WE BEGIN OUR DUE DILIGENCE RESEARCH ON THE SITE, ONE OF THE VERY FIRST THINGS WE DO IS LOOK FOR UTILITY INFORMATION IN THE AREA. AND OFTENTIMES WHEN WE'RE OUTSIDE OF ANY SERVICE AREA THAT'S CLOSE WE DON'T EVEN GET A MAP FOR IT. SO WE REQUEST MAPS FOR UTILITIES AVAILABLE TO THIS SITE AND NOTHING WAS AVAILABLE. >> MAYBE ONE OF THE RESIDENTS WHEN THEY SPEAK CAN ANSWER THAT. THANK YOU. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? MR. BOURRE. >> MS. IRISH, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE THIS EVENING. EXCELLENT PRESENTATION. MY QUESTION IS A LITTLE BIT OUTSIDE OF THE NORMAL PLANNING AND ZONING QUESTION. BUT AFTER READING THE CONCERNS OR THE COMMENTS THAT WE RECEIVED VIA EMAIL FROM THE RESIDENTS, I'M CURIOUS, THERE ARE THREE OTHER DOLLAR GENERALS THAT ARE IN KEYSTONE. IS THE OWNERSHIP THE SAME AS THE ONE WHO'S LOOKING TO DEVELOP THIS PARCEL NOW? >> THE OWNERSHIP IS THE SAME -- THE LAND OWNERSHIP IS NOT THE SAME, BUT DOLLAR GENERAL LEASES THE STORES. >> SO THE OPERATOR IS THE SAME? >> THEY HAVE A LONG-TERM LEASE AND YES, THEY ARE THE SAME OPERATOR. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? I HAVE ONE. IS THERE ANY PLAN TO CLOSE ANY OF THE OTHERS IN THE AREA AT THIS TIME? >> NONE THAT I AM AWARE OF. WE OFTEN DON'T GET THAT INFORMATION, BUT THAT'S NOT ANYTHING THAT'S ON OUR RADAR TO DO. >> THANK YOU. NO MORE QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION. LET'S GO TO THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD. I'M GOING TO OPEN THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD. NOW IF YOU HAVE TURNED IN A CARD [00:25:03] AND WISH TO SPEAK, ACTUALLY I DON'T HAVE ANY CARDS. IF SOMEONE HAS ARRIVED THAT WANTS TO SPEAK AND DOESN'T HAVE A CARD FILLED OUT, THEY'RE RIGHT OUT BACK IN THE VESTIBULE, YOU CAN GRAB ONE AND TAKE IT TO MS. BLANCHETT. YEAH AND THE LATE ARRIVALS, I THINK WE'VE GOT A COUPLE MORE PEOPLE THAT NEED TO BE SWORN IN. BEFORE WE GO ANY FURTHER, IS IT BAKER, MS. BAKER? IF YOU WOULD STAND AND BE SWORN AS A WITNESS, EVERYBODY ELSE DID IT BEFORE YOU GOT HERE. >> DO YOU SOLEMNLY SWEAR OR AFFIRM THE TESTIMONY YOU GIVE IS ABOUT TO BE THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH, SO HELP YOU GOD? THANK YOU, MA'AM. >> BEFORE WE BEGIN, IS OUR TIMER WORKING TONIGHT? WELL NORMALLY THOSE LIGHTS THERE TURN RED WHEN YOU'VE USED YOUR THREE MINUTES, WE'LL JUST HAVE TO INTERRUPT YOU IF YOU GO PAST THAT. MR. WARD, IF YOU WOULD STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND PROCEED WITH YOUR COMMENTS. >> CERTAINLY. I WILL BRIDGE ON THE FLY BECAUSE MY STATEMENT IS FOUR AND A HALF MINUTES, I WASN'T AWARE OF THE THREE. MY NAME IS DANIEL WARD. A PROPERTY THAT'S BEEN IN MY FAMILY SINCE THE 1950S. I'M HERE TONIGHT TO EXPRESS MY OPPOSITION OF THE PROPOSED CHANGE OF THE PARCEL'S FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION ACROSS FROM 43 MY PLACE OF RESIDENCE. AS A SMALL BUSINESS OWNER I AM PRO DEVELOPMENT AND PRO BUSINESS. HOWEVER I EXPRESS MY DISPLEASURE AT THE ZONING APPLICATION CHANGE TO DEVELOP A DOLLAR GENERAL RETAIL STORE. A WELL RESEARCHED ARTICLE ENTITLED 17 PROBLEMS HOW DOLLAR STORE CHAINS HURT COMMUNITIES. HER ARTICLE BEGINS WITH THIS STATEMENT AND I QUOTE. CHAIN DOLLAR STORES ARE INUNDATING AMERICA'S COMMUNITIES IN BOTH SMALL TOWNS AND URBAN NEIGHBORHOODS, THEY ARE EDGING OUT LOCALLY-OWNED BUSINESSES, PHASING OUT ENTREPRENEURS AND SHIFTING TO CORPORATE INVESTORS' POCKETS. THEIR IMPACT IS PARTICULARLY HARSH ON THE GROCERY STORE SECTOR. BUT IT ISN'T JUST THEIR MARKET DOMINATION THAT HURTS COMMUNITIES. THEIR DOCUMENTED POOR LABOR PRACTICES, LAX SECURITY, AND SOPPY SAFETY PROTOCOLS HARM WORKERS. THEY SEEM TO HAVE TOWNS AND CITIES WITH LOW AND FIXED INCOME RESIDENTS, PARTICULARLY BLACK AND BROWN RESIDENTS. THEY DISPLACE GOOD JOBS WITH LOWER PAYING ONES AND THEY TRICK SHOPPERS INTO BELIEVING THEY ARE GETTING A BARGAIN. THE ARTICLE ENTITLED THE SURPRISING IMPACT OF YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD DOLLAR STORE WRITTEN IN NOVEMBER OF 2017 SUMS UP THE EFFECT THIS STORE WOULD HAVE ON OUR COMMUNITY AND I QUOTE, DOLLAR STORES SIGNIFY A DIFFERENT KIND OF ECONOMY, ONE THAT IS POOR. T TWO BRIEF REASONS WHY I OPPOSE DOLLAR CHAIN STORES THEY INCREASE COST AND REDUCE TAX REVENUE FOR LOCAL GOVERNMENT. ALSO THE SECOND REASON IS CHAIN DOLLAR STORES LACK SECURITY AND MINIMAL STAFFING MAKES THEM EASY TARGETS FOR CRIME. THEY'RE CALLED BY MANY POLICE OFFICERS STOP AND ROBS OR ROBBERY MAGNETS. AND THIS HAS TAKEN PLACE IN NUMEROUS COMMUNITIES ACROSS THE NATION. THE GOALS AND OBJECTIVES OF THE -- EXCUSE ME TO PROVIDE FOR THE CITIZENS' QUALITY OF LIFE, SAFETY, AND HEALTH. I POSE THAT THIS DOES NOT PROVIDE FOR THE QUALITY OF LIFE, SAFETY, AND HEALTH OF THE COMMUNITY. THANK YOU SO MUCH. >> THANK YOU, MR. WARD. DO ANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE [00:30:02] QUESTIONS FOR MR. WARD? >> I HAVE ONE. >> YES, SIR. >> YOUR OPPOSITION APPEARS TO BE FOCUSED ON DOLLAR GENERAL. IF IT WERE SOME OTHER RETAIL ACTIVITY, WOULD YOU HAVE THE SAME CONCERNS AS FAR AS THATRCE IT JUST DOLLAR GENERAL AND THEIR MARKETING STRATEGIES AND THAT SORT OF STUFF? >> THANK YOU FOR ASKING THAT QUESTION, I DO NOT MEAN TO SOUND IMPERTINENT, BUT I WOULD DEFINITELY OBJECT TO OTHER RETAILS, FOR INSTANCE A STRIP JOINT OF COURSE. PLACES LIKE A LIQUOR STORE, OF COURSE. I DON'T SEE THE VALUE OF A DOLLAR STORE OF ANY NAME BRAND DOLLAR STORE TO BE THERE. I LITERALLY LIVE RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET. THEY WILL BE LOOKING STRAIGHT DOWN MY DRIVEWAY. I'M NOT A NOT IN YOUR BACKYARD PERSON PER SE. I THINK PLANNING HOLISTICALLY THOUGH COULD GO IN A DIFFERENT DIRECTION AND I THINK THE PROPERTY COULD BE UTILIZED IF THERE WAS SOME THOUGHT GIVEN, SO I THINK IT COULD BE UTILIZED DIFFERENTLY IN MY OPINION. THANK YOU FOR ASKING. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION FOR MR. WARD? SEEING NONE, THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH. >> WE'LL CALL OUR NEXT CITIZEN UP. SHELLY KILLGO. AGAIN IF YOU WOULD SPEAK INTO THE MICROPHONE AND GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS BEFORE YOU BEGIN YOUR COMMENTS. >> MY NAME IS SHELLY, I AM HUGH EDWARDS JR.'S DAUGHTER. HE RECEIVES IN KEYSTONE HEIGHTS. WE ARE JUST BASICALLY NEXT DOOR TO MR. WARD. WE WOULD BE LOOKING AT THE BACKSIDE OF THE STORE WOULD BE RIGHT OUTSIDE OF OUR DRIVEWAY. SO THE PROPOSED LOCATION VERY NEAR OUR HOME OF 54 YEARS ON LAKE GENEVA, THE RESIDENTS IN THIS AREA ARE ADAMANTLY OPPOSED TO HAVING A DOLLAR GENERAL BUILT AND OPERATED ACROSS THE ROAD FROM OUR PROPERTY LOCATED AT 6332 COUNTY ROAD 214. THERE ARE SEVERAL REASONS FOR OUR OPPOSITION. FIRST AND FOREMOST, WE ARE CONCERNED THAT IT HAS THE POTENTIAL AND VERY LIKELY RISK OF INCREASING UNWANTED TRAFFIC AND CRIME TO OUR AREA. SECOND, PLEASE NOTE THE PROPOSED LOCATION IS LESS THAN TWO AND A HALF MILES FROM THE NEAREST DOLLAR GENERAL. IS IT REALLY NECESSARY WITH A STORE LOCATED LESS THAN FOUR MINUTES AWAY? THIRD, IT IS OUR OPINION THAT DOLLAR GENERAL STORES CAN OFTEN BE AN EYESORE IN THE COMMUNITIES IN WHICH THEY ARE LOCATED AS DEMONSTRATED BY THE ATTACHED PHOTOS. THESE PHOTOS WERE TAKEN VERY RECENTLY AT THE STORES LOCATED IN KEYSTONE HEIGHTS, MELROSE, MIDWAY --. WE BELIEVE THAT PERHAPS DOLLAR GENERAL'S POTENTIAL FINANCIAL INVESTMENT IN THIS PROPOSED STORE MAYBE BETTER SERVED TO MAINTAIN THE ALREADY EXISTING BUILDINGS, PROPERTY ENTRANCE, AND PARKING PAVEMENT IN THE IMMEDIATE VICINITY. ALSO AS YOU SEE IN THE PHOTOS, THESE STORES DO NOT MAINTAIN ORGANIZED, TIDY STORES AND STORE FRONTS. THERE ARE A LOT OF CARTS AND BOXES NOT ONLY IN THE FRONT OF THE STORE BUT IN THE BACK OF THE STORES AS WELL. SOME OF THE STORES EVEN HAVE BOXES IN THE AISLES OF THE STORE. I ASK YOU ALL TO GENUINELY CONSIDER WOULD YOU WANT A DOLLAR GENERAL ACROSS THE STREET FROM YOUR DRIVEWAY THAT APPEAR AS DO THE STORES IN THESE PHOTOS? WE DO NOT. HOWEVER, IF THIS ZONING IS CHANGED AND THEY PROCEED WITH THE BUILDING WE HAVE A FEW REQUESTS FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. MAKE IT ARCHITECTURALLY SIMILAR TO THE ONE ALREADY EXISTING IN KEYSTONE, NO INGRESS OR EGRESS ON COUNTY ROAD 214, PLACE THEM ON HIGHWAY 100 ONLY. AND ALSO PLACE A BARRIER ON THE BACKSIDE OF THE STORE WHETHER IT BE A ROW OF TREES OR SHRUB OR PRIVACY FENCE. WE APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION IN THIS MATTER. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO EMAIL ME AT THE EMAIL ADDRESS. SOME OF THE PICTURES I TOOK INCLUDED SIGNS THAT WERE MILDEWED COMPLETELY ACROSS. BOXES AND CARTS IN THE BACK OF THE STORE ARE EYESORES. [00:35:01] ONE OF THE DOORS HAD PLYWOOD ACROSS IT THAT HAS BEEN THERE FOR SIX WEEKS ON THE FRONT DOOR OF THE DOLLAR GENERAL. THERE'S TRASH AROUND THE PARKING LOTS, THERE'S A DEAD TREE IN FRONT OF ONE OF THEM THAT IS PICTURED. >> I DIDN'T RECEIVE ANY -- >> WE HAVE ONE. >> I MADE THREE COPIES, I WAS HOPING MAYBE Y'ALL COULD SHARE THEM. >> OKAY, I'LL PASS THESE AROUND. I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT'S WHAT IT WAS. >> ONE OF THE STORES HAS A DEAD TREE IN FRONT OF IT. ONE OF THE STORES HAS LARGE POTHOLE, ONE OF THE POTHOLES MEASURES 8 OR 9 FEET IN LENGTH AND IS ABOUT 9, 10 INCHES DEEP. MY CAR BOTTOMED OUT DRIVING OVER IT. >> YOU'RE RUNNING OUT OF TIME, IF YOU COULD WRAP UP AND WE'LL TAKE SOME TIME AND LOOK THROUGH THESE. WE APPRECIATE YOU PROVIDING THEM. >> I DO HAVE A QUESTION. WHAT ARE THE PLANS FOR THE REMAINING ACREAGE OTHER THAN WHAT YOU'RE USING. I CAN SEE THAT THERE'S STILL SOME ACREAGE BACK BEHIND THE BUILDING THAT'S NOT BEING UTILIZED. WHAT IS THE PLANS TO DO WITH THAT REMAINING ACREAGE? >> THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING YOU WOULD NEED TO DISCUSS WITH THE APPLICANT. ACCORDING TO THE DOCUMENTS THAT WE VIEWED, THEY HAVEN'T MADE A DECISION ON THAT. BUT THERE WAS NO INTENTION IN THE DOCUMENTS THAT WE RECEIVED, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING YOU COULD DIRECT TO THEIR AGENT WHO IS HERE TONIGHT. YEAH, WE DON'T DO THAT, THAT WOULD BE AFTER THE MEETING. I BEG YOUR PARDON, YOU CAN TALK TO HER LATER. ANY QUESTIONS? OKAY. >> THESE OTHER DOLLAR GENERAL STORES DOWN THERE IN THE KEYSTONE AREA ARE THEY IN CITY LIMITS OR COUNTY LIMITS? >> COUNTY LIMITS. >> ALL OF THEM? >> ONE IS IN THE CITY LIMITS. THE OTHER ONES ARE LOCATED WITHIN ABOUT FIVE MILES OF MY DAD'S HOME. >> YOU KNOW WHERE I'M GOING WITH THIS, RIGHT? >> I DO, BUT I THINK THE QUESTION YOU'RE ASKING IS BECAUSE OF WHERE THIS IS LOCATED, YOU'RE ON THE EDGE OF THE COUNTY. LIKE YOU MENTIONED ONE IN MELROSE, THAT'S NOT IN CLAY COUNTY. AND WE UNDERSTAND YOUR POINT, BUT I THINK WHAT JOE WAS ASKING WAS HOW MANY OF THOSE ARE IN CLAY COUNTY? >> THE KEYSTONE HEIGHTS ONE IS. THE MIDWAY ONE I'M NOT SURE ABOUT, MAYBE SOMEONE CAN HELP ME. >> COULD I MAKE A POINT HERE SO SHE DOESN'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH THIS. MY ONLY POINT IS THAT I SEE THE PHOTOS. AND I SEE EXACTLY WHAT IT IS THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. BUT THE CITY OF KEYSTONE, IF THOSE PROPERTIES ARE IN THE CITY OF KEYSTONE, IT'S REALLY THEIR RESPONSIBILITY FOR ANY CLEAN UPS, MAINTENANCE, ANYTHING LIKE THAT. SO IT WOULD HAVE TO BE HANDLED BY THEM. THE COUNTY REALLY HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT AT ALL, TO MY KNOWLEDGE. SO SOMEONE CAN CLARIFY THAT FOR ME IF THEY WISH. >> I GUESS MY QUESTION OR MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE DOLLAR GENERAL TO USE THEIR MONEY TO MAINTAIN THEIR STORES THAT THEY HAVE AND NOT ADD ADDITIONAL STORES. THEY'RE NOT TAKING CARE OF THE PARKING LOTS, THE DEAD FREES IN THE FRONT. >> I'M NOT TRYING TO DEBATE THIS. IT'S NOT A DEBATE. >> I THINK WE UNDERSTAND YOUR POSITION. ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? IF NOT, LET'S MOVE TO THE NEXT, THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. IS SUSAN STANLEY PRESENT? MS. STANLEY, PLEASE ADJUST THE MICROPHONE SO THAT YOU CAN SPEAK INTO IT AND THEN GIVE YOUR THAT I MEAN AND ADDRESS AND YOU HAVE APPROXIMATELY THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK. >> MY NAME IS SUSAN STANLEY, AND MY HUSBAND AND I LIVE AT 1801 STATE ROAD 100 MELROSE, TWO MILES FROM THE PROPOSED DOLLAR GENERAL STORE. AT THE END OF MY DRIVEWAY I CAN G EAST/WEST, NORTH/SOUTH, AND GET TO SIX DOLLAR GENERAL OR FAMILY DOLLAR WITHIN FIVE AND A HALF MILES. MY MOTHER IS ALSO ON 214 JUST DOWN THE ROAD FROM THESE PEOPLE AND SHE CAN GET TO ALL OF THESE STORES MUCH SOONER THAN I CAN. WE'VE LIVED OUR ENTIRE LIVES IN THIS AREA AND WE'VE WITNESSED EXPLOSIVE GROWTH IN RECENT YEARS. PEOPLE SAY THEY MOVE HERE BECAUSE IT'S QUIET, IT'S LAID BACK, IT'S LESS TRAFFIC, IT'S QUAINT. IT IS UNIQUE AND UNIQUENESS IS ONE OF THE FORCES THAT CREATE ECONOMIC VALUE. IF WE'RE GOING TO GROW IN THIS PART OF CLAY COUNTY, I DON'T [00:40:02] LIKE IT, BUT I HAVE TO LIVE WITH IT. WE NEED TO KEEP THAT IN MIND, ONE OF THE PROBLEMS WITH DOLLAR STORES IS THAT THEY ARE ALL EXACTLY THE SAME. WITH SIX OF THEM SO CLOSE, THEY DON'T ADD ANY NEW SERVICES, MERCHANDISE, OR DISTINCTIVE IDENTITY TO OUR COMMUNITY. THERE ARE NUMEROUS REPORTS OVER THE LAST SIX YEARS THAT I HAVE READ THAT SHOW DOLLAR STORES THREATENED EXISTING AND POTENTIAL BUSINESSES PARICULARLY GROCERY STORES AND I DON'T WANT THAT TO HAPPEN IN OUR AREA. I HEAR MORE AND MORE PEOPLE SAYING WE NEED ANOTHER GROCERY STORE, I DON'T HEAR ANYBODY SAY WE NEED ANOTHER DOLLAR STORE. I'LL SKIP OVER THAT A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE THEY'VE ADDRESSED THE FACT THAT MAYBE THIS DOLLAR STORE WILL BRING FRESH FOODS AND PRODUCE, BUT IT WILL PROBABLY COME WITH THE SHRINK-FLATION THAT A LOT OF THESE PLACES DO SMALLER PACKAGES WITH A HIGHER PRICE SO THE UNIT OF PRICE IS NOT EQUAL TO THAT OF A FULL SERVICE GROCERY STORE WHICH IS WHAT OUR COMMUNITY WOULD NEED MORE RATHER THAN A DOLLAR STORE. NEXT DOOR TO THIS PROPOSED DOLLAR STORE YOU HEARD THERE IS A CONVENIENCE STORE, WE CALL IT GIZMO IN OUR AREA, IT WAS THE ORIGINAL MOM AND POP STORE FROM OUR CHILDHOOD AND IT'S ONE OF ONLY FOUR GAS STATIONS IN THE SAME AREA WHERE WE HAVE $6 STORES. WHEN HURRICANES OUR HEADED OUR WAY, THESE STORES ARE OVERWHELM AND HAD NOT ABLE TO KEEP UP WITH THE DEMAND FOR GAS. SHOULD WE LOSE THE GAS STATION BECAUSE OF THE COMPETITION WITH THE CONVENIENCE STORE AND ALL, WE WOULD BE IN A HERD OF TROUBLE. I'D LIKE TO GIVE EACH OF YOU A COPY OF THIS 17 PROBLEMS THAT MR. WARD REFERRED TO HOW DOLLAR STORES HURT OUR COMMUNITIES RATHER THAN HELP AND ALSO I SEE THAT THIS IS A CHANGE FROM AGRICULTURE TO COMMERCIAL. I THINK I WOULD HAVE A PROBLEM WITH ANY OTHER COMMERCIAL. IT WOULD DEPEND ON WHAT THEY WANTED TO BUILD HERE. WE WANT TO KEEP AND MAINTAIN THE NATURE AND CHARACTER OF OUR RURAL COMMUNITY IN KEYSTONE HEIGHTS. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, MS. STANLEY. DO ANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE QUESTIONS FOR MS. STANLEY? IF NOT, WE'LL GO TO OUR NEXT CARD WHICH IS BETTY COCHRAN. AND PLEASE PULL THE MICROPHONE WHERE YOU CAN SPEAK INTO IT. GIVE US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, PLEASE. >> MY NAME IS BETTY COCHRAN. I LIVE RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE PROPERTY. I DID NOT PREPARE ANYTHING. THE YOUNG PEOPLE HAVE DONE A FABULOUS JOB. THE ONLY THING I WOULD LIKE TO SAY IS THAT WE DO HAVE A VERY UNIQUE COMMUNITY AND PEOPLE OUT THERE. CLAY COUNTY IS FINALLY DOING SOMETHING ABOUT OUR LAKES. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A NICE COMMUNITY AND A LAKE, WE DON'T NEED PEOPLE COMING IN AND BRINGING I DON'T WANT TO SAY MORE CRIME, BUT THAT'S USUALLY WHAT HAPPENS. WE NEED MORE THAN A DOLLAR STORE. WE WOULD LOVE TO HAVE A LIGHT. THE TRAFFIC IS SO BAD ON 214 NOW. COMING OFF OF 100 GOING OVER TO MELROSE THAT IT'S HARD TO GET OUT OF OUR DRIVEWAYS AND GETTING OUT OF 100 IS GETTING TO BE A CHORE. SO THAT'S REALLY ALL I HAVE TO SAY. I JUST DON'T THINK THAT WE NEED THAT IN OUR COMMUNITY RIGHT NOW. >> THANK YOU, MS. COCHRAN. DO ANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE QUESTIONS FOR MS. COCHRAN? IF NOT, THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION AND WE'LL GO TO DOTTIE BAKER. >> GOOD EVENING. DOTTIE BAKER AT 6348 BAKER ROAD. I'M HERE REPRESENTING HISTORICALLY THE BAKER FAMILY THAT HAS BEEN IN THIS RURAL AREA AND DEVELOPED THE AGRICULTURAL CONSISTENCY OF THAT WHOLE AREA FROM BACK IN EARLIER THAN THE 1920S. I DON'T HAVE ANY DOCUMENTATION FOR YOU. IF WE NEED TO WE'LL BE BETTER PREPARED EVEN WITH MORE NUMBERS NEXT TIME, BUT HOPEFULLY WE'RE HERE TO TELL YOU NO, WE DON'T WANT COMMERCIAL ZONING IN THAT AREA. IT IS RURAL, IT IS AGRICULTURAL FOR A PURPOSE. IT CREATES A CERTAIN ATMOSPHERE AND AS MS. WARD SAID, THEY'RE DOING SOMETHING ABOUT THE LAKES. IT'S GOING TO BRING NEW RESIDENTS AND HOMES IN THAT AREA. PEOPLE WITH NEW CREATIVE IDEAS TO HELP THE AESTHETICS OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS AND TO CHANGE IT [00:45:02] FROM THE SAME OLD, SAME OLD. WE'VE GOT A LOT OF COMMERCIALISM WITHIN A MATTER OF MINUTES FOR ANYONE WHO LIVES IN THAT AREA. SO WE SAID NO. SO ■HOW MANYTIMES DO YOU WANT US TO SAY NO? WE'LL KEEP SAYING IT. SO HOPEFULLY YOU'RE LISTENING. THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS? >> ANY QUESTIONS FOR MS. BAKER? >> THANK YOU. >> THE FINAL CARD I HAVE FOR THIS EVENING IS ANGELA ADAMS. >> HELLO, I'M ANGELA ADAMS. >> DID YOU TAKE THE -- >> I DID NOT. >> WE'LL TAKE CARE OF THAT RIGHT NOW. >> DO YOU SOLEMNLY SWEAR OR AFFIRM ALL INFORMATION AND THE TESTIMONY YOU'RE GOING TO GIVE WILL BE THE WHOLE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH SO HELP YOU GOD? >> YES. >> THANK YOU. >> YES, MY NAME IS ANGELA ADAMS I'M AT 6342 BAKER ROAD. I'M GOING TO JUST PIGGYBACK OFF OF WHAT EVERYONE HAS SAID. WE DO HAVE FOUR DOLLAR GENERALS IN A FIVE MILE RADIUS. WE MOVED TO KEYSTONE FROM -- FOR A RURAL AREA. THAT PART OF THE COMMUNITY IS RURAL AND WE LOVE THE AGRICULTURAL ASPECT OF IT. AND I'M 100% AGAINST ANYTHING RETAIL IN THAT AREA. >> THANK YOU. DO ANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MS. ADAM? THANK YOU. NOW I DO NOT HAVE ANYMORE CARDS FOR THIS ITEM. WAS THERE ANYONE ELSE HERE THAT WANTED TO SPEAK TO IT? SEEING NONE, I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD AND BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMISSION FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION. WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO RESPOND? >> YES, HOLLY IRISH, VECTOR CIVIL ENGINEERING. I'D LIKE TO THANK EVERYONE FOR THEIR POINTS. IT'S GREAT TO BE INVOLVED AND GET OUT AND HAVE INFORMATION PREPARED. SO I ALWAYS TRY TO TAKE GOOD NOTES. WHAT I CAN'T ADDRESS HERE, I'LL RESEARCH LATER AND TRY TO PASS ON TO THE TENANT. KIND OF SOME OF THE STUFF THAT'S TALKED ABOUT IS THE CRIME. I HAVE NOT LOOKED UP CRIME OF STORES IN THE AREA TO SEE IF THERE IS A PARTICULAR CRIME ATTRACTION TO THE STORE. I WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT POLICE REPORTS OR SOMETHING TO THAT TO SEE THE IMPACT IN THAT AREA. BUT AGAIN KIND OF RESTATING THE BUSINESS MODEL FOR THIS IT IS A NEIGHBORHOOD STORE AND HAVING A LOT OF THEM IN ONE SMALL AREA, THEY REALLY ARE FOCUSED ON ONE RESIDENTIAL AND NEIGHBORHOOD AREA. SO THE THOUGHT WOULD BE THAT NO ONE IS GOING TO COME TO THIS STORE THAT ISN'T ALREADY IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD VICINITY ANYWAYS, SO WE WOULD CERTAINLY HOPE THAT CRIME OR PEOPLE THAT WOULDN'T USUALLY BE IN THE AREA WOULD BE ATTRACTED BY THIS STORE. DEFINITELY I'M GOING TO LOOK UP THE ARTICLES THAT WERE SHOWN HERE TONIGHT AND READ THOSE. I'M INTERESTED MYSELF TO SEE THAT. I'M SURE I CAN PROBABLY FIND SOME POSITIVE ARTICLES AS WELL, BUT I DID NOT DO THAT UNFORTUNATELY PRIOR TO THE MEETING. FROM AN ACCESS AND MAINTENANCE PERSPECTIVE THAT IS A COMMON ISSUE I ADMIT AND I WILL DEFINITELY DO EVERYTHING TO PASS THAT ALONG TO THE TENANT AND SEE WHAT THE DEVELOPER CAN DO TO PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION. SOME OF THE REQUESTS THAT WERE MADE AND CONSIDERATIONS AS FAR AS ACCESS GOES, AS YOU CAN SEE WE ARE PROPOSING ACCESS ON STATE ROAD 100 AND NOT 214. AND THE REMAINDER OF THAT PROPERTY WE HAVE NO IDEA WHAT WOULD HAPPEN WITH THAT. THE DEVELOPER HAS THIS PORTION THAT YOU SEE HERE UNDER CONTRACT AND NOT THE REMAINING PORTION. IT IS MAINTAINING WITH TE OWNER. SO WHAT'S LEFT OVER IS ABOUT 1.7 ACRES, THEY WOULD BE FAIRLY LIMITED ON WHAT THEY COULD ACTUALLY DO ON THAT SIZE OF PARCEL WHEN YOU TAKE INTO ACCOUNT STORE REQUIREMENTS AND PARKING REQUIREMENTS. THERE'S NO CONSIDERATION OF THAT WITH THIS APPLICATION AT ALL. AS FAR AS UTILIZATION OF THE PROPERTY, THE APPLICANT IS THE PROPERTY OWNER FOR THIS, AND THIS IS THEIR APPROACH AND HOW THEY'RE CHOOSING TO UTILIZE WHAT'S THERE. SO WE HOPE THAT CONSIDERATION WILL BE GIVEN TO THAT PROPERTY OWNER FOR THAT. ALONG THE WESTERN PROPERTY LINE YOU CAN SEE THERE, I CAN'T SEE THE DIMENSIONS SPECIFICALLY, BUT THERE IS A BUFFER THERE THAT'S REQUIRED WITH CLAY COUNTY CODE. WHEN WE GET TO THE SITE PLAN PERMITTING PERSPECTIVE, THEY WILL ASSURE THAT ALL OF THE REQUIRED PLANTINGS ARE THERE. [00:50:01] NOT MAKING ANY PROMISES NOW, BUT I'VE MADE NOTE ABOUT MAYBE SOME INCREASED LANDSCAPING THERE TO HELP BUFFER THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE. CONSIDERATION OF ARCHITECTURAL UPGRADES AND I'LL HAVE THOSE ANSWERS FOR THE COMMISSION MEETING TO ADDRESS THOSE ITEMS SPECIFICALLY. BUT WE'LL DEFINITELY LOOK INTO THOSE. I THINK THAT PRETTY MUCH COVERS EVERYTHING. I DID WANT TO NOTE JUST FROM THE CURRENT ZONING, THAT IS A NON-CONFORMING LOT FOR THE AGRICULTURAL RESIDENTIAL. IT DOESN'T MEET THE SIZE REQUIREMENTS. THE PARCEL SIZE IT IS RIGHT NOW DOESN'T MEET THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THAT ZONING. SO CHANGING IT TO COMMERCIAL WOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH WHAT'S IN THE AREA AND CORRECT KIND OF AN EXISTING ISSUE THERE. >> THANK YOU. MR. ANZALONE. >> THE PROPOSED STRUCTURE, IS IT GOING TO FACE NORTH, SOUTH, EAST OR WEST ON THIS PROPERTY? >> IT IS GOING TO FACE STATE ROAD 100 SO NORTHEAST. >> SO THE BACKSIDE OF THAT BUILDING WILL PRETTY MUCH FACE 214 THEN? >> SORT OF. AS YOU CAN SEE THERE IT'S KIND OF JUST GOING TO FACE THE SOUTH PART OF THE PROPERTY A LITTLE BIT MORE. AND THERE'S STORM WATER IN THE BACK BEHIND THE STORE. SO IT WILL FACE THAT, IT WILL BE BUFFERED BY TREES THAT WOULD BE THERE. >> WHY WOULD THEY NOT DEVELOP THIS WITH IT FACING NORTH, FROM EAST TO WEST IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S A WIDER SPAN, IT WOULD GET IT A LITTLE FARTHER OFF THE ROADSIDES? >> IT COMES INTO SEVERAL THINGS RELATED TO THE SITE ITSELF. IT'S KIND OF AN ODD SHAPE THE WAY THAT THE PROPERTY IS LAID OUT FOR WHAT THIS DEVELOPER WILL TAKE INTO OWNERSHIP. SO TO MAXIMIZE THAT, YOU MAKE THE PARKING PARALLEL TO THE ROADWAY, THAT'S KIND OF A COMMON SET UP TO GET THE VISIBILITY, MAXIMIZE WHAT YOU CAN ACTUALLY DO TO THE SITE. AND THEN IT'S ALSO BASED ON THE SITE TOPOGRAPHY, WHAT'S THERE, WE TRY TO PUT THE STORM WATER IN THE LOW AREAS AND EVERYTHING ELSE TO THE SIDE OF IT. WE'RE JUST BASING IT OFF OF THE EXISTING CONDITIONS OF THE SITE. >> COULD I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION FOR MR. BROWN. MR. BROWN, SOUTH OF THIS PARTICULAR SITE IT LOOKS LIKE MIGHT BE THE SECOND PARCEL DOWN FROM THERE LOOKING AT THE AERIAL MAP, IS THAT FROM STATE ROAD 100 TO 214, ARE THOSE RESIDENTIAL LOTS THAT ARE MAPPED OUT? >> THEY ARE ZONED AGRICULTURAL RESIDENTIAL. I BELIEVE BASED ON JUST THE AERIAL PHOTOGRAPH. I HAVEN'T RESEARCHED. >> SO WE DON'T KNOW WHAT IS THERE IF THOSE ARE RESIDENCES OR IF THEY ARE BARNS OR GARAGES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? >> MOST LIKELY THEY ARE RESIDENCES, BUT I HAVEN'T RESEARCHED SPECIFICALLY WHAT THEY ARE. >> I KNOW THAT WE'VE COME INTO SITUATIONS WHERE AND I KNOW WE'VE HAD THIS RECENTLY WITH HIGHWAY 16 ABOUT HAVING RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL LANDS ABUTTING AGAINST EACH OTHER. WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IF WE MAKE A ZONING CHANGE HERE, THE LANDOWNER OF THE NEXT PARCEL COMES AND WANTS TO DO THAT, THEN WE HAVE AR. DOES THAT AFFECT ANYTHING AT ALL? >> WE HAVE SPECIFIC SETBACK AND BUFFERING REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE BASED ON THE ADJACENT LAND USE. SO THE LANDSCAPING AND BUFFERING REQUIREMENTS WOULD BE REQUIRED TO AND I CAN'T REPEAT EXACTLY WHAT THEY ARE, BUT FOR ABUTTING AGRICULTURE RESIDENTIAL USE AND COMMERCIAL. THEY'RE CERTAINLY LARGER THAN IF IT WAS AN ADJACENT COMMERCIAL PARCEL. >> ARE WE READY TO GO TO OUR DISCUSSION? ANYMORE QUESTIONS? >> ONCE YOU CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. >> I ALREADY DID. >> WE'RE DONE WITH THE APPLICANT? >> YES, WE ARE. >> THANK YOU ALL. >> A COUPLE OF THINGS. A COUPLE OF ISSUES THAT I HEARD IN ALL OF THIS DISCUSSION, NUMBER ONE IS WE'RE A PLANNING BOARD. AND WHAT THE APPLICANT INTENDS TO DO WITH THE PROPERTY REALLY IS NOT PART OF THE PLANNING PROCESS. WE ARE FREQUENTLY MISLED AS TO WHAT WILL ACTUALLY END UP ON [00:55:01] PROPERTY, SO WE JUST HAVE TO LOOK AT THIS FROM STRICTLY A PLANNING PERSPECTIVE. I WILL SAY THAT AFTER LISTENING TO WHAT I'VE HEARD TONIGHT, I REALLY ONE OF THE MAIN PRINCIPLES BESIDES ALL OF THE REAL IS IT ADJACENT TO COMMERCIAL, IS IT THIS, IS IT THAT. THEY'RE JUST OVERARCHING PRINCIPLE IN PLANNING, IT'S DOES IT FIT THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD? AND I THINK IN THIS CASE I'M NOT REAL FAMILIAR WITH KEYSTONE, I'M SORRY, BUT I'VE BEEN THERE A FEW FAMES. AND I KNOW KIND OF THE AREA IT IS AND BASED ON WHAT I'VE HEARD -- THERE A FEW TIMES AND I KNOW THE KIND OF AREA IT IS AND BASED ON WHAT I'VE HEARD I DON'T THINK A COMMERCIAL STRUCTURE IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD AREA FITS THE CHARACTER OF THAT AREA. I DON'T CARE WHO IT IS, WHETHER IT'S DOLLAR GENERAL OR MACY'S DEPARTMENT STORE, I DON'T THINK, IT DOESN'T FIT WITH WHAT'S IN THAT AREA. I'LL JUST SAY THAT I'M NOT GOING TO SUPPORT THIS ONE BECAUSE I JUST THINK IT'S A BAD FIT FOR THE AREA. >> MR. BOURRE. >> YES, MA'AM. COMMISSIONER PUCKHABER AND I OFTEN DON'T AGREE. BUT IN THIS CASE, I DO KNOW KEYSTONE, I'M IN KEYSTONE 2 TO 3 TIMES A WEEK AND I AGREE WITH HIM ON THIS. I DON'T THINK THIS CONFORMS TO THE AREA AROUND IT. >> OTHER COMMENTS OR DISCUSSION FROM THE COMMISSION? >> I'VE GOT ONE COMMENT. >> MR. DAVIS. >> IT'S KIND OF A QUESTION. THAT IS WHERE DOES IT START? IT'S KIND OF LIKE FALLING DOMINOS AND THAT LITTLE WEDGE OF GROUND THERE. AND I SAW THAT THE PIECE THAT LOOKS LIKE THERE WAS TWO HOUSES THERE. THAT DOESN'T REALLY MEAN MUCH IF YOU FIND ANOTHER PARCEL DOWN THERE AND SOMEBODY WANTS TO PUT A MOM AND POP WHATEVER ON IT, NEXT THING WE'VE GOT INFILL QUESTIONS AND WE'RE CHASING THE NEVER ENDING COMMERCIAL RABBIT DOWN THE STREET. I AGREE WITH MR. PUCKHABER AND MR. BOURRE, I DON'T THINK THIS FITS THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH. THEY'VE LIVED OUT THERE A LONG TIME AROUND THAT LAKE. IT'S A BEAUTIFUL PROPERTY. BUT I CAN'T SUPPORT THIS EITHER. >> DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR DISCUSSION, MR. GARRISON? >> I AGREE 100%. IT DOESN'T FIT THE CHARACTER OF THE COMMUNITY. I'M SOMEWHAT FAMILIAR WITH THAT AREA. WE HAVE WORKED IN THAT AREA BEFORE. AND REALLY I AGREE WITH WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, IT'S NOT DOLLAR GENERAL SPECIFIC. HOWEVER I LIVE OUT IN CLAY HILL, WE HAVE A DOLLAR GENERAL. AND THE COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE ABOUT DOLLAR GENERAL SPECIFICALLY ARE SPOT ON. IT'S UNFORTUNATE BECAUSE IN OUR AREA THE NEXT NEAREST RETAIL OPPORTUNITY IS SIX MILES AWAY. SO IT'S GREAT TO HAVE THAT CONVENIENCE, BUT THEY ARE POORLY RUN. NOT THE FAULT OF THE MANAGER WHO SEEMS TO DO ALL THEY CAN FOR WHATEVER THEY'RE MAKING. BUT THEY'RE POORLY MANAGED, POORLY MAINTAINED. IT'S ONE STEP ABOVE PUTTING A CONTAINER IN A PARKING LOT. AND SO FOR THAT REASON AND AGAIN I KNOW IT'S NOT SPECIFIC, BUT IT DOESN'T FIT THE CHARACTER. AND WHOEVER LIVES ON 214, IT WOULD BE A TRAVESTY FOR THEM. SO ANYWAY I'M NOT GOING TO -- >> I'LL BE HAPPY TO MAKE A MOTION. >> ALL RIGHT, MR. PUCKHABER. >> I MOVE THAT WE REJECT THE STAFF REPORT AND RECOMMEND DENIAL BASED ON THE FINDINGS THAT WE'VE JUST SPOKE ABOUT. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, MR. BROWN? >> THAT'S RIGHT, I'M SORRY ON THE LAND USE. >> THIS WOULD BE FOR THE LAND USE. >> ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS? OKAY, ALL IN FAVOR OF NO RCOMMENDATION ON THIS, RECOMMENDATION AGAINST, PLEASE SAY AYE. >> AYE. >> ANY OPPOSED, SAME SIGN. ALL RIGHT, THE MOTION CARRIES. NOW WE NEED A MOTION ON THE ZONING PORTION. >> MADAM CHAIR, THE SAME MOTION BUT FOR THE ZONING REQUEST. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION PLEASE SAY AYE. >> AYE. >> ANY OPPOSED, SAME SIGN, MOTION CARRIES. THAT CONCLUDES OUR BUSINESS ON THIS MATTER. >> MADAM CHAIR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE ONE COMMENT TO THE APPLICANT BEFORE THEY LEAVE. WHEN THIS COMES UP BEFORE THE BCC, I THINK IT WOULD BE IN YOUR INTEREST TO HAVE A [01:00:03] REPRESENTATIVE OF THE BUSINESS HERE BECAUSE THERE ARE GOING TO BE A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT. IT'S NOT GOING TO CHANGE THE CHARACTER ARGUMENT, BUT IT MIGHT BE SOMETHING YOU WANT TO DO. >> I HAVE A COMMENT TO RESIDENTS ON THE SAME TOKEN BESIDES BEING THERE, IF YOU HAD SOME TYPE OF COMMUNITY ADVISORY COMMITTEE THAT REPRESENTED YOUR INTERESTS INSTEAD OF PEOPLE TAKING TIME OUT LIKE THIS, TO ME I THINK THAT WOULD BE POWERFUL BECAUSE YOU COULD ALSO THEN DETERMINE AS A GROUP WHAT DO YOU THINK THAT AREA SHOULD BE, WHAT SHOULD BE IN THIS LOOKING DOWN LINE. IF YOU'RE GOING TO TAKE THE LEAD ON THIS, THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE NEED TO HEAR RATHER THAN SPONTANEOUS MEETINGS LIKE THIS. >> DO YOU KNOW IF WE HAVE, I KNOW THERE'S NOT AN ACTIVE ONE. BUT IS THERE A CAC FOR THAT AREA OF THE COUNTY? THERE WOULD HAVE TO BE ONE SET UP, RIGHT? >> I WAS GOING TO -- THANK YOU, YOU BEAT ME TO IT. THE CAC BECAUSE GROWTH IS GOING TO HAPPEN. THE LAKES, THERE'S AN EFFORT TO REPLENISH THE LAKES OVER THE COMING YEARS AND THE COUNTY IS GROWING, SO IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN. BUT CAC, CITIZENS ADVISORY COMMITTEE WOULD BE THE FIRST STOP FOR ANY APPLICANT BEFORE IT COMES TO US. WE HAVE ANOTHER ITEM ON THE AGENDA WHERE THE CAC MET SO WE LISTEN TO THAT, WE READ THAT AND HEAR WHAT THEY HAVE TO SAY. SO I STRONGLY ENCOURAGE YOU TO CONSIDER FORMING A CAC. >> AND WHO WOULD THEY TALK TO IF THEY WANTED TO DO THAT? >> THEY CAN CONTACT STAFF, SPECIFICALLY DODIE SELIG. >> IT'S D-O-D-I-E S-E-L-I-G. SO IF YOU CALL PLANNING AND ZONING AND ASK FOR HER I IMAGINE HER DIRECT LINE IS LISTED ON THE COUNTY WEBSITE. AND SHE CAN HELP YOU WITH ORGANIZING A CITIZEN'S ADVISORY COMMITTEE OR COUNCIL. OAY, I BELIEVE THAT CONCLUDES THIS AGENDA ITEM. WE THANK YOU FOR THOSE WHO CAME OUT TO SPEAK TONIGHT. [2.  Public Hearing to consider adoption of COMP0793-00008 and PUD-0793-00009. (District 4, Comm. Condon) (B. Carson)] AND WE'LL GO TO THE ITEM NUMBER TWO WHICH, MR. BROWN, ARE YOU GOING TO HANDLE THAT? >> YEAH, MADAM CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, THERE WAS A MISTAKE ON THE ADVERTISING AND NOTICING OF THIS. WE'VE TALKED TO THE APPLICANT AND THE REQUEST IS TO CONTINUE THIS UNTIL YOUR NOVEMBER MEETING. >> ALL RIGHT. SO WE HAVE A REQUEST TO CONTINUE BOTH THE LAND USE AND THE ZONING MATTERS UNTIL OUR NOVEMBER MEETING. >> MOVE TO CONTINUE. >> SECOND. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. >> MADAM CHAIR, A POINT OF ORDER. I THINK BEFORE WE DO THAT, YOU JUST HAVE TO VERIFY THAT THERE'S NOBODY THAT WANTS TO SPEAK ON THIS BECAUSE IT WAS ADVERTISED. >> OH YES. IS THERE ANYONE PRESENT WHO WANTED TO SPEAK ON ITEM TWO ON OUR AGENDA WHICH IS COMP 0723-00008 AND PUD 0723-00009 AND THIS IS PROPERTY IN THE MIDDLEBERG AREA. IS ANYONE PRESENT? SO WE DON'T HAVE ANYONE ON THAT SO I THINK WE CAN PROCEED. >> MOVE TO CONTINUE. >> SECOND. >> MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION BY THE COMMISSION? >> ONLY THAT I THINK YOU HAVE TO PUT THE DATE IN THAT MOTION. DON'T THEY? >> THE NOVEMBER -- >> IT'S GOT TO BE TO NOVEMBER WHATEVER THE MEETING IS OR SOON THEREAFTER IT'S GOING TO BE HEARD. >> WHAT IS THE DATE FOR THE NEXT MEETING? >> MOVE TO CONTINUE TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING MEETING ON NOVEMBER 7TH OR AS SOON THEREAFTER. >> OUR SECONDER AGREES WITH THAT? >> SECOND. >> ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THAT ITEM? SO ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE CONTINUANCE? THE MOTION AS STATED, PLEASE SAY AYE. >> AYE. >> ALL OPPOSED SAME SIGN? MOTION CARRIES. NOW AT THIS TIME THE NEXT THING ON THE AGENDA IS PRESENTATIONS, THERE ARE NONE NOTED. MR. GARRISON. >> I HAD REQUESTED TIME AND I TOO AM GOING TO ASK TO BE CONTINUED. I'M NOT QUITE READY FOR PRIMETIME. I WILL BE AT THE NEXT MEETING. >> IS THAT ALL RIGHT WITH EVERYBODY? WE'LL HEAR FROM BILL, AND THIS WAS ON DEVELOPMENT ALONG COUNTY ROAD 218. ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. SO ANY OLD BUSINESS OR NEW BUSINESS TO COME BEFORE THE COMMISSION? [01:05:01] MR. PUCKHABER. >> JUST TWO QUICK THINGS. I WOULD ASK STAFF HOW BUSY OUR NOVEMBER MEETING IS GOING TO BE BECAUSE I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE BUSY. THE OTHER ONE IS YOU HEARD ME MENTION EARLIER ABOUT THIS LIVE LOCAL ACT. I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO SEE IF WE COULD ASK STAFF TO PRESENT A GOOD SUMMARY OF THAT TO US BECAUSE IT'S SOMETHING WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO THINK ABOUT ALL THE TIME. I DON'T KNOW WHO TO ASK TO DO THAT OTHER THAN WE AS A BOARD CAN ASK STAFF TO PUT SOMETHING TOGETHER AND AT A MEETING THAT PROBABLY HAS LESSER OF AN AGENDA. >> ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. ANY OTHER OLD BUSINESS OR NEW BUSINESS TO COME BEFORE THE COMISSION TONIGHT? >> MADAM CHAIR, JUST TO GIVE YOU AN UPDATE, YOU MAY KNOW THIS, LAST MONTH YOU HEARD THE PROPOSED LEGISLATION TO TRANSFER BOA ACTIVITIES OVER TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION, THAT WAS VOTED DOWN BY THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS JUST TO LET YOU KNOW. >> CAN YOU SAY THAT AGAIN? >> THERE WAS A LEGISLATION OR A CODE AMENDMENT THAT WOULD HAVE TRANSFERRED THE DUTIES OF THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION. THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS VOTED THAT DOWN. >> THEY APPOINTED SOME NEW COMMISSIONERS, DIDN'T THEY? >> YES. AFTER THAT DISCUSSION AT THE BOARD LEVEL, THE NEXT WEEK WE RECEIVED FOUR DIFFERENT APPLICATIONS. SO IT WAS AT LEAST WORTH FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, IT WAS WORTH BRINGING IT UP BECAUSE WE FINALLY GOT SOME APPLICANTS. >> GOOD. ANY OTHER OLD OR NEW BUSINESS TO COME BEFORE THE COMMISSION? >> JUST POINT OUT THAT WE DO NEXT MONTH THERE IS A FULL AGENDA. >> FULL AGENDA NEXT MONTH. >> GIVE YOU A HEADS UP RIGHT NOW IN NOVEMBER. >> CAN YOU TRANSLATE THAT TO LIKE AN HOUR, TWO HOURS, THREE HOURS? >> LIKE HOW MANY ITEMS? WE KNOW WE'VE GOT ONE. >> I THINK EIGHT ITEMS. >> EIGHT? TEN? >> SOME OF THEM ARE COMPANION REZONING LAND USE CHANGES. SO NOT QUITE AS BAD, BUT THERE'S ONE LARGE ONE THAT WILL BE -- >> AND THAT TEN INCLUDES THE ONE WE JUST CONTINUED OR DOES THAT MAKE IT 12? >> YEAH. >> OKAY. >> OKAY -- >> SO YOU MIGHT WANT TO EAT BEFORE YOU COME TO THE MEETING. >> ALL RIGHT. SO AT THIS TIME I DON'T HAVE ANY CARDS FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. BUT I WILL OPEN THE FINAL PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD. SEEING NO ONE, I'LL CLOSE IT. AND OUR NEXT PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING AS WE STATED EARLIER IS SCHEDULED FOR * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.