[INVOCATION] [CALL TO ORDER] [PET ADOPTIONS] [Annie Wallau and Wayne Hobbs] [APPROVAL OF MINUTES] [PUBLIC COMMENTS] [CONSENT AGENDA] [21.  HB 1379 Environmental Protection & DEP Water Quality Protection Grant (R. Smith)] [00:16:32] >> MA'AM WE HAVE RICHARD AND JEREMY JOHNSON. FROM CC AWAY. I THINK AND YOU ALL SHOULD HAVE [00:16:37] RECEIVED A PACKET OF A POWERPOINT ITEMS WILL BE BRIEF AND WILL BE COMING OUT. [00:16:44] >> THIS IS YOUR PACKET THAT LOOKS LIKE THIS. LOOKS LIKE WATER ON THE FRONT. OKAY. [00:16:52] >> RICHARD SMITH CLAY COUNTY. I'M GOING TO HAND THE MIC OVER AND INTRODUCE JEREMY JOHNSON EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF CCU A. >> GOOD AFTERNOON. THANK YOU BOARD, THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME AND YOU. ON BEHALF OF OUR BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AND THE ENTIRE CC AWAY TEAM IT'S A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO COME TALK ABOUT WATER, WASTEWATER, SUBJECT TO SEWER CONVERSION PROJECTS. A LITTLE BIT THAT IS DRIVING THIS PARTICULAR BRIEF, THERE WAS A MEETING LITTLE OVER A WEEK AGO. WITH CONCERNED RESIDENTS AROUND KINGSLEY LAKE. WANTING TO OBVIOUSLY PROTECT THE WATER QUALITY OF KINGSLEY LAKE. AND WHAT ARE THE OPPORTUNITIES TO DO SEPTIC TO SEWER CONVERSION PROJECTS AROUND KINGSLEY LAKE AND THOSE CONVERSATIONS EXPANDED TO KEYSTONE HEIGHTS AND OTHER AREAS AROUND CLAY COUNTY. FROM THAT MEETING THERE WAS A COUPLE OF TAKEAWAYS. THERE WERE MORE DISCUSSION MORE SAMPLING, WATER CLOUT QUALITY ANALYSIS NEEDED TO BE LOOKED OUT FROM THE KINGSLEY LAKE PERSPECTIVE. INVESTIGATING OPPORTUNITIES TO WORK COLLABORATIVELY WITH CAMP LANDING AT THEIR FACILITIES WHICH CC AWAY AS ALWAYS THE OPEN TO. I BELIEVE THERE IS GOING TO BE SOME OR TO FILM AT WORK WITH THE HOMEOWNERS TO ORGANIZE THOSE PARTICULAR EFFORTS OVER THE NEXT COMING MONTHS. A LITTLE BACKGROUND ON KINGSLEY LAKE. CC UA HAS ONE FACILITY. IT'S A WATER TREATMENT PLANT THAT IS THERE. IT WAS A DEVELOPER DRIVEN PROJECT. IT HAD ABOUT 125 TOTAL LOTS ON THE PROJECT. RIGHT NOW WE HAVE 32 CUSTOMER ACCOUNTS THERE. IT IS A WATER TREATMENT PLANT ONLY. ALL OF THOSE HOMES IN PARTICULAR TO FOMENT ARE SERVED BY SEPTIC TANKS. WITHIN THAT PARTICULAR PROJECT. WE HAVE NO WATER RECLAMATION FACILITY OR WASTEWATER TREATMENT FACILITIES IN THE AREA OF KINGSLEY LAKE. THE CLOSEST WASTEWATER TREATMENT FACILITY TO MY UNDERSTANDING IS ON CAMP LANDING AND THAT IS OPERATED BY MILITARY UNITS AND NATIONAL GUARD ON THE MILITARY BASE. A LITTLE BIT ABOUT KEYSTONE HEIGHTS. WE DO HAVE A SMALL FACILITY THERE AND KEYSTONE HEIGHTS. IT SERVES ABOUT 74,000 GALLONS A DAY AS THE DESIGN CAPACITY OF THAT FACILITY. RIGHT NOW WE HAVE ABOUT 54 PERCENT OF THAT CAPACITY COMMITTED. THE LION SHARE OF THAT IS ON COMMERCIAL ACCOUNTS. INCLUDING THE RV PARK. IT IS A COMMERCIAL ACCOUNT. WE'LL HAVE SEVERAL RESIDENTIAL ACCOUNTS THAT ARE ON THE KEYSTONE HEIGHTS FACILITY. NEXT FISCAL YEAR WE ARE LOOKING TO DO THE INITIAL WORK TO EXPAND THAT FACILITY. THIS FACILITY DOES HAVE SOME PARTICULAR CHALLENGES ON JUST HOW BIG DO YOU INCREASE THE SIZE OF THIS PARTICULAR FACILITY DEPENDING ON HOW MANY PEOPLE WE CAN ENCOURAGE TO CONNECT. WHICH IS PART OF THE [00:20:05] DISCUSSION WHEN YOU START TALKING ABOUT SEPTIC TO SEWER CONVERSIONS. SO, A LITTLE BIT ABOUT OTHER THINGS HAPPENING AT CC UA. THE RAPID GROWTH FOR OUR SERVICE AREA IS UNDERWAY. WE HAVE RIGHT NOW ABOUT HER TEEN MGD THAT IS CURRENTLY ACTIVELY DELIVERED EVERY SINGLE DAY TO OUR CUSTOMERS. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE GROWTH PATTERNS WE HAVE COMMITMENTS TO OVER 14 40 MILLION ADULT GALLONS A DAY. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE GROWTH PATTERN OVER 20 TO 25 YEARS WE ARE GOING TO GROW FROM 55,000 CUSTOMER ACCOUNTS CURRENTLY TO WELL OVER 100,000 CUSTOMER ACCOUNTS WITHIN THAT FUNDING WINDOW. RIGHT NOW TO BE READY FOR THIS GROWTH PATTERN WE ARE EXTREMELY BUSY. AS I'VE BRIEFED THIS COUNTY COMMISSION BEFORE AND WE'VE HAD A NUMBER OF REPRIEVES WAS ISORS WE ARE ADMITS IN AN INFORMATION SYSTEM TRANSITION. THAT'S WHY WE SEE SCRIBE POINT, COLLABORATIVE WORKDAY, INVOICE CLOUD. LITERALLY THE RELATIONSHIP WITH OUR CUSTOMERS IS GOING TO CHANGE NEXT YEAR. FOR MORE INFORMATION WILL BE AVAILABLE. THE ABILITY TO TRANSACT BUSINESS WILL BE MUCH MORE EFFICIENT AND EASIER FOR OUR CUSTOMERS. THIS IS IN RESPONSE TO OUR OWN CUSTOMER SURVEYS. OUR CUSTOMERS HAVE BEEN ASKING FOR THIS. WE WILL DELIVER THAT THIS NEXT YEAR. BEV EFFORTS GOING ON IN OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM WHICH I WILL TALK ABOUT IN THE NEXT SLIDE. OUR CONSUMPTIVE USE PERMIT WE DID SUBMIT THAT IN JUNE. I THINK I BRIEFED ALL OF THE COMMISSIONERS WITH REGARDS TO THAT. THAT EFFORT IS UNDERWAY. WE'VE HAD ONE REQUEST FOR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION AND WE ARE WORKING ON THAT PARTICULAR EFFORT. THERE IS BEEN AN OPPORTUNITY WITH WORKING COLLABORATIVELY WITH OTHER UTILITIES IN THE AREA AND THE REVELATORY AGENCIES OF POTENTIALLY GETTING AN INTEGRATED WATER RESOURCE PROJECT INITIATIVE OFF THE GROUND. WE PUT A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF EFFORT IN TRYING TO GET THAT STARTED. WE ARE LEADING THE WAY AND HOPING TO HAVE CONTRACTS SOMETIME SEPTEMBER/OCTOBER TO GET THAT ROLLING. THAT SHOULD PROVIDE A CERTIFICATE IN EFFECT FOR THE ENTIRE RESPECT NOT JUST CLAY COUNTY. WE HAVE OUR STANDARD REPORTS. THE ANNUAL REPORT, BY ANNUAL REPORT. ALL OF THOSE ARE SIGNIFICANT EFFORTS THAT ARE CURRENTLY UNDERWAY. WHEN YOU LOOK AT OUR CAPITAL PROGRAM WE HAVE A LONG LIST OF CAPITAL PROJECTS THAT ARE UNDERWAY THAT ARE GOING TO TRANSFORM OUR ABILITY TO SERVE THE AREA IN CLAY COUNTY. THE BIGGEST BEING THE PETERS CREEK FACILITY. THAT REPRESENTS A $75 MILLION INVESTMENT ALONE. APPLE INTERCONNECTS WITH THE GOVERNORS PARK FACILITIES. EVERY THING WEST AND SOUTH OF GREENE COVE SPRINGS WILL BE INTERCONNECTED. WHEN THAT IS LINKED IN WITH METAL LEGS AT SARATOGA SPRINGS WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A SIGNIFICANT CAPABILITY OF TO SERVE THE ENTIRE LAKE AS VERY AREA APPEARED ALL OF THOSE REQUIRE FINANCIAL RESOURCES AND HUMAN RESOURCES. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THESE TYPE OF INVESTMENTS THIS IS AHEAD OF THE PEOPLE CONNECTING TO OUR SERVICE. WE ARE LOOKING AT, WE ARE GOING TO BE VERY CLOSE WERE DEBT CAPACITY WITH WHAT WE ARE CURRENTLY BUILDING AND TAKING DEBT ON TO BUILD IN ADVANCE OF THOSE CUSTOMERS. TALKING A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WATER RECLAMATION FACILITIES OR WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANTS. BECAUSE WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SEPTIC CONSUMER CONVERSIONS, THIS IS OBVIOUSLY ONE OF THE HINGE POINTS. CAN YOU TREAT THE WASTEWATER THAT IS COMING FROM THE HOMES TO THE TREATMENT FACILITY. THE COST RIGHT NOW FOR PLANNING PURPOSES WE ARE LOOKING AT ABOUT $50 PER GALLON OF TREATMENT. WHEN YOU LOOK AT FACILITY LIKE A SMALL FACILITY THAT MAY BE CONSIDERED FOR KEYSTONE HEIGHTS OR OTHER AREAS THAT MAY BE 100,000 OR 250,000 GALLONS A DAY. YOU'RE LOOKING AT SOMEWHERE FOR A 5 MILLION TO A TOTAL ONE HALF MILLION DOLLAR INVESTMENT JUST IN THE TREATMENT CAPACITY. THAT'S GOING TO SERVE ROUGHLY ABOUT 572 ABOUT 1400 HOMES. THAT COMES OUT TO ABOUT $8700 PER HOME JUST IN THE TREATMENT CAPACITY. THE MANY LOOK AT THE TIME FRAMES IN WHICH TO DEPLOY THE TYPE OF CAPACITY YOU HAVE A NUMBER OF YEARS WHEN YOU LOOK AT DOING THE PLANNING ANALYSIS. TRY TO PROCURE THE PROFESSIONALS TO DO THE DESIGN WORK. THE AMOUNT OF TIME IT PTAKES THE DESIGN. THE PERMITTING THAT IS INVOLVED. THERE ARE A NUMBER OF PERMITS RANGING FROM DEP WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT, ETC. THE TIME IT TAKES TO BUILD THOSE FACILITIES. YOU'RE TALKING A SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENT IN CAPITAL AND A SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENT IN TIME. THE TREATMENT CAPACITY IS ONE [00:25:04] ELEMENT. THE NEXT ELEMENT IS THE ACTUAL LINE WORK. DEPENDING ON WHERE THE HOMES ARE AND HOW LONG IT TAKES TO ACTUALLY CONNECT THE SYSTEM. THOSE CAN AFFECT LINE CAPACITY, MEANING THE FLOW THAT GOES THROUGH THE LINE. THE PRESSURES, THE RATES, THE ROADS YOU HAVE TO CROSS, TREES YOU HAVE TO NAVIGATE. A STORMWATER IF THE STRUCTURE OF THE COMES INTO PLAY AS WELL AS OTHER UTILITIES LIKE TELEPHONE, CABLE, ELECTRIC, ETC. WE'VE HAD ONE PROJECT UNDER OUR BELT WHICH IS THE DOCTOR'S LAKE PROJECT WERE RECONVERTED 79 HOMES. I WILL REALIZE COST IN A PARTICULAR PROJECT WHICH WAS A COLLABORATIVE EFFORT WITH THE WONDERMENT MANAGEMENT DISTRICT PWAS $20,000 PER HOME. I'LL ALSO POINT OUT THAT WAS PRIOR TO THE COST ESCALATIONS THAT WE HAVE BEEN EXPERIENCING OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS. FOR PLANNING PURPOSES I WOULD BE PUTTING THAT NUMBER SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 30 AND $35,000 PER HOME FOR THE VARIOUS PUMP AND PIPE NETWORKS. THE AT THE TREATMENT COST AND YOU ADD THE LINE WORK YOU WERE LOOKING SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 40 AND $45,000 PER HOME TO PUT IN CENTRALIZED SEWERS AND CONVERT THEM FROM SUBJECT TO THE SEWER SYSTEM. NOW I WANT TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT HOUSE BILL 1379. THIS BILL, THE CORRECTION OF THIS BILL WAS TO ENCOURAGE THE LOCAL MUNICIPALITIES, COUNTIES, UTILITIES, ETC. TO UPDATE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR WHAT IT WOULD TAKE TO CONVERT SUBJECT TO SEWER SYSTEMS. SPECIFICALLY AIMED AT WATER BODIES THAT HAD BASIN MANAGEMENT ACTION PLANS. BE MOUNTS. DOCTOR'S LAKE IS AN EXAMPLE OF ONE OF THOSE BODIES THAT HAS A B AMOUNT. THE LOWER ST. JOHNS RIVER HAS A B MAP. THIS LITTLE GRAPHIC WE HAVE HERE IS PART OF OUR PLAN ABOUT 6 OR 7 PHASES TO CONVERT THOSE HOMES ONTO OUR CENTRALIZED SEWER SYSTEM. I BELIEVE THE CRUX OF THE BILL IS LOOKING TO ADOPT A PLAN DIED TO THE COMPREHENSIVE N TO CONVERT THOSE SEPTIC YSTEMS THAT ARE SUPPLYING NUTRIENTS TO AGGREGATED WATER BODIES TO HELP IMPROVE THAT WATER QUALITY. HOWARD AND I HAVE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THIS. WE RELEASED UPDATE TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS DUE JULY 1 NEXT YEAR. OUR TEAM IS CERTAINLY AVAILABLE AND GEARED UP FOR THAT. WE LOOK FORWARD TO THAT PARTICULAR COLLABORTIVE EFFORT. ONE OF PTHE OTHER THINGS UNDER THIS PARTICULAR BILL IT DOES ALLOW FOR GRANTS, GRANTS AND METALS FOR FUNDING THROUGH THE STATE. ONE OF THE STICK THINGS UNDER THIS PARTICULAR BILL THAT AIMS AT GRANT FUNDING FOR ADVANCED WASTEWATER TREATMENT. WE ARE PROUD ALL OF OUR FACILITIES OUR ADVANCED WASTEWATER TREATMENTS. THE PETERS CREEK FACILITY I MENTIONED ABOUT THAT $75 MILLION INVESTMENT WILL BE AN ADVANCED WASTEWATER TREATMENT FACILITY. WE VARDY SUBMITTED A $5 MILLION GRANT REQUEST UNDER THIS PARTICULAR BILL. THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS I WANTED TO BRING UP SO WE DON'T HAVE POTENTIALLY COMPETING GRANT REQUESTS. WE ARE ALTERING TO SERVE THE BETTERMENT OF THE COUNTY AND OBVIOUSLY THE MORE TARGETED WE COULD BE I THINK THAT HELPS EVERYONE OUT. WITH THAT, THAT IS MY BRIEF. I CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND PARTICIPATE IN ANY QUESTIONS. I GOT THE 18 BEHIND ME. IF I GET OFF TRACK THEY'RE GOING TO BRING ME BACK INTO THE REALM OF REALITY. CALM. I DID ATTEND THE DID KINGSLEY LAKE WATER QUALITY ROUNDTABLE KINGSLEY LAKE IS A DESIGNATED PRISTINE WATER BODY OUT OF THE STATE OF FLORIDA. IT WAS DESIGNATED THAT THE 90S. THEY CANNOT SHOW ANY WATER DEGRADATION. WATER QUALITY DEGRADATION IN THEIR STARTING TO SEE THAT. HOW MUCH THEIR STARTING TO SEE AND WHERE THAT IS COMING FROM IS KIND OF WHAT STARTED THIS CONVERSATION AND THIS AND MY CONVERSATION WITH JEREMY AND HOWARD AND WHERE WE ARE. THE HOUSE BILL THAT PASSED WENT INTO EFFECT JULY 1. IT HAS DONE 2 THINGS. 1, IT REQUIRES THESE UPGRADED WATER TREATMENT SYSTEMS AND THE B MAP. A ROUNDTABLE DISCUSSION, KEVIN O'DONNELL WHO WAS OVER THE WATER TREATMENT, WATER QUALITY OF DEP. HE SAID THAT HE BELIEVES THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF THE CLAY COUNTY. HE SAYS ALL OF CLAY COUNTY IS IN THAT B MAP, THAT LOWER ST. JOHNS B MAP. THAT WAS ONE INTERESTING THING. THE OTHER THING THAT THIS DID IS IT CHANGES SEPTIC TANKS. AFTER JULY 1 YOU HAVE TO GO TO THE SEPTIC TANKS THAT ARE AEROBIC SYSTEMS. BASICALLY THEY DON'T HAVE A DRAIN FIELD WITH THEM ANYMORE. MY UNDERSTANDING, I'VE GOT SOME CONSTITUENT CALLS THAT THESE [00:30:06] NOW COST ABOUT $20,000. IF ASEPTIC FAILS, A LOT OF KELLY COUNTY IS ON SEPTIC TANKS. IF THERE CYST SEPTIC SYSTEM FAILS IT'S NOT CALL SOMEONE HAVE A GOOD DRAIN FIELD REDONE. THEY MAY HAVE TO PUT IN A WHOLE NEW SEPTIC SYSTEM WHICH IS UPWARDS OF $20,000 WHICH CHANGES, OBVIOUSLY IT'S DIFFERENT THAN $40,000. IT CHANGES THE PERSPECTIVE. WE'VE HAD THIS UNFUNDED MANDATE OF SUBJECT TO SEWER. MY QUESTION TO HOWARD AND THAT'S WHY WE GOT JEREMY INVOLVED WAS TO TALK ABOUT THE EXPANSION. I THOUGHT IT WAS GOOD TO HAVE THIS UPDATE. ALSO MY REQUEST WAS THAT THE COUNTY COULD APPLY UNDER THAT GRANT THAT OPENED JULY 1. BY THE WAY THE REASON IS TONIGHT IS BECAUSE THE GRANT CLOSES AUGUST 31. OF COURSE. TO ASK IF WE CAN APPLY JUST FOR SMALL AMOUNT OF MONEY FOR ONE OF OUR CONTRACTED ENGINEERING SERVICES TO DO A STUDY OF REALLY WHAT IS GOING ON AND KINGSLEY LAKE. SO WE HAVE SOME KNOWLEDGE TO THEN EITHER PRESENT TO THE CCU WAY BOARD TO GO BACK AND NEGOTIATE WITH POSSIBLY CAMP PLANTING ABOUT THEIR WASTEWATER TREATMENT OR SOMETHING OF THE LIKE. THAT IS THE HISTORY OF WHERE THIS CAME FROM. THAT'S ONE OF MY ASKS. I WILL STOP TALKING AND SEE IF ANYONE HAS ANY QUESTIONS FOR JEREMY OR FOR HOWARD UNDER ANY OF THAT. >> I HAVE A QUESTION. KINGSLEY LAKE YOU HAVE A WATER TREATMENT FACILITY THERE? >> THAT IS CORRECT. >> BLENDING HAS A WASTEWATER TREATMENT FACILITY SOMEWHERE? >> CAMP PLANTING HAS BOTH. THEY HAVE TO PRODUCE POTABLE WATER AND THEY HAVE TO TREAT THE WASTEWATER. THAT IS CORRECT. >> IN 2000, WAY BEFORE JEREMY'S TIME, HE WAS JUST A YOUNG LAD. THERE WAS A STUDY DONE BY A CONTRACTING CONSULTING FIRM THAT CCU WEIGHT HAD CONTRACTED. AT THE TIME THE RECOMMENDATION WAS THAT THE PEOPLE THAT LIVED AROUND KINGSLEY LAKE WERE GOING TO TIE IN. IT WAS COMPLETED IN 2000. THE 9/11 HAPPENED. AFTER 9/11 WHEN CAMP PLANTING WAS DESIGNATED A NATIONAL, DEAR MEMBER THE TERMINOLOGY? I CAN'T REMEMBER. BASICALLY THEY HAVE TO BE READY FOR NATIONAL EMERGENCIES. EVERY REQUEST THAT HAS BEEN MADE AFTER THAT HAS SAID, IF YOU JOIN US AND WE WERE A NATIONAL EMERGENCY WE WOULD HAVE TO BE ABLE TO TURN YOU OFF. WE WOULD HAVE ROUGHLY 150 HOMES WITH NO WASTEWATER BASICALLY. IT WOULD BE MORE OF AN ISSUE. THEIR WELLS, IT'S A SEPTIC TANKS. RIGHT? THE SUBJECT TO SEWER, THAT'S THE PROJECT. YOU WOULD WANT TO BOTH CUSTOMERS. >> WE PREFER BOTH CUSTOMERS TO CONNECT TO US. IF WE LOOKING AT KEYSTONE HEIGHTS WE WOULD BE LOOKING FOR BOTH CUSTOMERS. FOR SOMETHING AROUND KINGSLEY LAKE I THINK THAT WOULD BE A DISCUSSION POINT. IF YOU WERE GOING TO MAKE THE INVESTMENT. OBVIOUSLY THE WATER SYSTEM IS LESS THAN THE WASTEWATER SYSTEM. DO YOU MAKE BOTH. WE DO HAVE EFFICIENCIES OF SCALE, RELIABILITY. WE PUT GENERATORS ON OUR SYSTEM. SO WHEN THE POWER GOES OUT WE STILL MAINTAIN SERVICE TO OUR CUSTOMERS. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE TREATMENT, CUSTOMERS ARE LESS SUSCEPTIBLE TO WATER BORNE PATHOGENS THAT MAY COME UP WITH THEIR OWN INDIVIDUAL AERATION TANKS ETC. OTHER QUESTIONS FOR JEREMY? OR FOR HOWARD? RD? >> THERE IS A LOT OF INFORMATION IN THIS HB 1379. CONCERNS ME WHERE WE STAND IN TERMS OF BEING AND COMPLIANCE WITH EVERYTHING THIS BILL ASKS FOR. >> I THINK WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE BILL AS UPDATES TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. I THINK PART OF THE UPDATE AND PLAN WILL HAVE TO BE PRIORITIZING WHERE TO PUT MONEY OVER TIME. I THINK WE HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION AND SOME SKILLED PROFESSIONALS THAT CAN CERTAINLY HELP US WITH THAT. RATHER SLEEP DON'T HAVE TO CONFER EVERY HOME TO SEPTIC TANK WITHIN A SPECIFIED TIMEFRAME YET. JUST TO BE DEVELOPING THE PLAN. I WILL SAY WHEN THE BILL WAS BEING DISCUSSED, I WENT TO TALLAHASSEE AND HAD SEVERAL MEETINGS ON THIS. CCU WAY SERVICE AREAS DESCRIBED AS THE UNINCORPORATED AREA OF CLAY COUNTY. THIS IS A REALISTIC [00:35:03] STANDPOINT WHEN YOU START TALKING ABOUT 15,000 HOMES THAT ARE IN MIDDLEBURG AND AREAS SOUTH ON 17 ETC. . THE SIZE OF THE FACILITIES IN TRYING TO BUILD THAT AND TO CONNECT PEOPLE WITH A 5, 10, 15 YEAR TIMEFRAME. THERE IS PHYSICAL LIMITATIONS OF WHAT YOU CAN DO. WHICH IS WHY I THINK THE BILL BASED UPON NOT ONLY OURS BUT NUMEROUS OTHER INPUTS TO, LET'S DEVELOP A PLAN FIRST THEN WE CAN MAKE DECISIONS FROM THAT PLAN. >> DO YOU GET A SENSE THAT ONCE WE HAVE A PLAN THAT THERE WILL BE ADDITIONAL STATE MONIES AVAILABLE TO BE ABLE TO WORK THAT PLAN? OR WILL IT COME OUT OF OUR COST? >> I THINK THERE IS AN INTENT THERE TO FUND GRANT PROGRAMS FOR SEPTIC TO SEWER CONVERSIONS. I THINK THE GOVERNOR HAS CLEARLY IDENTIFIED THAT AS PART OF HIS ENVIRONMENTAL INITIATIVES. THERE IS MONEY IN THE BILL. I WOULD HOPE THE LEGISLATURE WOULD CONTINUE TO SUPPORT THAT OVER TIME. I THINK THOSE FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES WOULD PRESENT THEMSELVES. I THINK THE BETTER THE PLAN, THE BETTER OUR COMMUNITY PRESENTS THEMSELVES TO SECURE THOSE FUNDS. >> I WOULD ADD TO THAT JEREMY THAT CONKEY IS NOT HERE TODAY WHICH IS UNUSUAL. HE'S USUALLY HERE. THE WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT HAS A COST SHARE GRANT PROGRAM. DOUG WAS AT THE WATER ROUNDTABLE FOR KINGSLEY LAKE. HE HAS SAID SICK SIGNIFICANTLY THAT THE ST. JOHN'S RIVER WATER MANAGEMENT BOARD WANTS TO USE THAT COST SHARE PROGRAM FOR CONSTRUCTION COST SHARE PROJECTS LIKE JEREMY IS TALKING ABOUT. >> THE COST SHARE WE HAD WITH DOCTOR'S LEG WAS THROUGH THE WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT. THAT WAS MONEY THAT WAS APPROPRIATED BY THE LEGISLATURE AND THEN THROUGH THE DISTRICT FOR THAT PARTICULAR PROJECT. >>MY INITIAL REQUEST WAS THAT WE WOULD APPLY BOTH OR, SEPARATELY FOR KINGSLEY LAKE IN THE KEYSTONE PROJECTS. JEREMY ENCOURAGED MEE, FOR US TO WAIT ON THE KEYSTONE THAT THEY ARE REALLY NOT READY. IT'S HALF-BAKED I GUESS BASICALLY. WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO TAKE A PLAN AND BETTER IT. THAT'S WHY THE KEYSTONE WAS INCLUDED. >> THE KEYSTONE HEIGHTS WE HAVE $500,000 IN THE BUDGET FOR NEXT YEAR THE CAPITAL PROGRAM TO DO THE PLANNING ANALYSIS. THERE WILL BE DECISIONS THAT WILL HAVE TO BE MADE ABOUT HOW WE SEEK ONCE THE UPGRADES FOR KEYSTONE HEIGHTS. THAT IS WHY IT MADE MY COMMENTS THAT NEXT YEAR WE WOULD HAVE THE PLANNING ANALYSIS. WE WOULD HAVE A MUCH BETTER PICTURE OF WHAT WE ARE ASKING FOR AND WHY WE ARE ASKING FOR IT. WE WOULD HAVE REAL GROUNDS FOR HOW WE ARE GOING TO SEQUENCE DESIGN CONSTRUCTION AND ETC. >> JEREM, I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT IT IN ONE OF THE THOUGHTS ABOUT KINGSLEY LAKE IS, IT WOULD NOT BE ON ANYONE'S RADAR SCREEN BECAUSE IT'S NOT NEAR ANYTHING. THAT'SWHAT THE STUDY NEEDS TO SHOW IS, FOR THE RESIDENTS, IS A PROBLEM THERE SEPTIC SYSTEMS OR IS THE PROBLEM SOMETHING ELSE? >> CORRECT. REALLY THIS WASN'T ON MY RADAR SCREEN UNTIL I GOT THE CALLS AFTER THE MEETING. IT WAS TO PUT MY THOUGHTS TOGETHER REGARDING LIKE A SAMPLING PLAN OR THINGS LIKE THAT. WE TYPICALLY HAVE NOT DONE THAT. I HAVEN'T HAD TIME TO PUT SOME THOUGHTS TOGETHER WITH REGARDS TO THAT. THE DEP IN THE WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT CLEARLY CARE FOR THOSE PARTICULAR EFFORTS. THOSE WATER BODIES I WOULD DEFER TO THOSE REGULATORY AGENCIES. >> THEY WERE THERE AND THEY SAID THEY WOULD HELP. THEY SAID REALLY, WE NEED TO HAVE A STARTING PLACE. >> MADAM CHAIR, JUST TO ADDRESS AND JEREMY AND I HAVE TALKED BOTH AREAS, KEYSTONE HEIGHTS AND KINGSLEY. REALLY LOOKING AT KINGSLEY WHEN WE RESEARCH THIS AND I HAD MEGAN IN THE GRANTS DEPARTMENT LOOK AT IT. WRITE ME IF I'M WRONG JEREMY, YOU SHOULD ALREADY HAVE THE PLAN. PLAN. I DON'T THINK WE COULD REQUEST A STUDY FROM THIS PARTICULAR TEP WATER QUALITY PROTECTION. >> KIND OF O'DONNELL SEEM TO THINK WE COULD. >> OKAY. WHAT YOU THINK OF THAT JEREMY ON IT? >> WHEN WE SUBMITTED GRANTS WE'VE OBVIOUSLY HAVE DEVELOPED PLANS, TECHNICAL ANALYSIS, SCOPES OF WORK, ETC. PLANS ARE IN MOTION. WE'VE NEVER REALLY SUBMITTED FOR A STUDY. SO, I'M NOT DEBATING THE DEP'S POSITION. THAT COULD VERY WELL BE. IT'S JUST NOT ARBOR EXPERIENCE. >> WE CAN WORK TOGETHER TO FIGURE OUT THOSE MONIES FOR THAT. IF IT IS POSSIBLE BETWEEN NOW AND AUGUST 31 TO [00:40:07] SUBMIT SOMETHING, EITHER TO THIS PARTICULAR GRANT OR ANOTHER. MEGAN WAS LOOKING AT OTHER OPTIONS THAT WERE OUT THERE. BY ALL MEANS, I THINK WHAT CCA FOCUSES ON LOOKING AT THIS A REQUIREMENT THAT'S COMING UP, KINGSLEY BEING THERE ALONE AND UNAFRAID IT'S NOT NECESSARILY AN AREA THAT WERE FOCUSED ON. ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY WOULD BE TO PARTNER WITH CAMP BLANDING AND SEE IF WE CAN, TALK TO ME ABOUT JEREMY ALSO APPEARED TO SEE IF WE CAN CAPITALIZE AND WORK TOGETHER IN QUC)BEC EXPANDING THE CAPACITY THEY HAVE. THE QUESTION OF WHAT IT COME UP ABOUT SHUTTING THE SWITCH OFF. AGAIN, I TRIED TO REACH SOME OF THE LEADERSHIP THERE. I HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO REACH THEM JUST YET. ON MANY OTHER PROJECTS WE ARE COOPERATING ON THIS MAY BE AN OPPORTUNITY ALSO IN LOOKING AT THAT. >> AND CC AWAY WERE OPEN TO COLLABORATING WITH OTHER ENTITY STAKEHOLDERS, COMMUNITIES. FOR THE BETTERMENT OF THE COMMUNITY. WE WANT TO BE A GOOD PARTNER. WE HAVE SOME VERY TECHNICAL EXPERTISE. GREAT CAPABILITIES, GREAT STAFF. . IF WE CAN DO THOSE THINGS, IF THERE'S OPPORTUNITIESWE ARE CERTAINLY OPEN TO THOSE DISCUSSIONS. >> OKAY. THANK YOU. >> WE WILL GIVE A CALL TO DP TO CLARIFY ON THE GRANT SIDE OF IT . THE CONSENSUS OF THE BOARD IS TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT GRANT AND THE PROCESS THEN BY ALL MEANS WE WILL OR SOMETHING SIMILAR IF THAT IS OKAY. NEXT DOES ANYONE HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THAT? >> I THINK WE OUGHT TO DO THAT. [22.  Lien Reduction] >> ALL RIGHT, WE WILL WORK ON IT. >> THANKS JEREMY, THANKS FOR THE UPDATE. I KNOW WE PUT YOU ON THE SPOT BUT, IT WAS GOOD. >> MOVING INTO NEW BUSINESS. LEAN REDUCTIONS. >> ALL RIGHT, HOW WE DOING? YOU GUYS HAVE 2 ITEMS ON THE AGENDA TODAY. BOTH APPLICANTS REQUESTING THE REDUCTION. FIRST WAS CASE NUMBER CE 14 Ã 028. 6075 HILLCREST ROAD. MS. PENDLETON. MS. PENDLETON IS HERE. SHE IS THE APPLICANT REQUESTING THE LIEN REDUCTION. THIS DID GO TO THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE ON AUGUST 3 AND SPECIAL MAGISTRATE RECOMMENDED THE $27,300 LIEN TO BE REDUCED TO $1700 WHICH IS STAFF'S COST. BY THE WAY THIS CASE WAS OPENED A YEAR AND A MONTH. THAT WAS FROM 14/15. MS. PENDLETON BOUGHT THE PROPERTY IN APRIL OF THIS YEAR. YOU HAVE ALL OF THIS IN YOUR POCKET. IF YOU HAVE ANY OTHER SPECIFIC QUESTIONS FOR ME I WILL ANSWER THEM OR IF YOU HAVE SOME FOR MS. PENDLETON SHE IS HERE AS WELL. >> THIS CASE, THIS PROPERTY HAS CHANGED HANDS 4 OR 5 TIMES BEFORE. >> I THINK SHE'S THE 4TH BUYER SINCE 14. WHEN THE LIENS WERE PLACED ON THE PROPERTY. OR WHEN THE CASE STARTED. >> OKAY. MS. PENDLETON DID YOU KNOW THIS LIEN WAS ON THERE WHEN HE PURCHASED? >> ABSOLUTELY NOT. >> OKAY. SO, DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? >> DID YOU DO A TITLE SEARCH? >> YES I DO. >> HOW DID THAT NOT COME UP? >> I'M NOT SURE. I KNOW SHE SAID IT'S BEEN THROUGH OWNERS 4 TIMES. FROM WHAT MY UNDERSTANDING THEY CLICKED HE DID EVERYTHING IT WENT TO GORDON LANE LLC AT THAT MYSELF. I DID GO THROUGH A TITLE COMPANY. I DID A QUICK DEED. I TRIED TO DO THAT THE RIGHT WAY. HERE AM I'M SUPPOSED TO CLOSE ON THE PROPERTIES FOR SALE. WE HAVE A PERSON PUTTING A NEW HOME ON THE PROPERTY. THEY ALREADY DID WELL, SEPTIC AND SEWER INSPECTION. THERE READY TO GO. I WASN'T ABLE TO CLOSE ON THE 16TH BECAUSE OF THIS. NOW WERE SUPPOSED TO CLOSE ON THE 30TH, HOPEFULLY. >> I THOUGHT THE LIEN WOULD COME UP IF YOU DO A TITLE SEARCH. HOW DOES THAT WORK? THAT'S HOW YOU FIND OUT IF THERE IS A LIEN ON IT. >> THAT'S WHAT TITLE SEARCHES ARE FOR. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT SPECIAL MAGISTRATE TALKED ABOUT AT THE HEARING WAS ABOUT THE FACT APPARENTLY THERE'S A BOX ON THEIR YOU COULD CHECK TO DO A MUNICIPAL LIEN TITLE SEARCH AS WELL. I MEAN I DIDN'T SEE ANY OF THAT PAPERWORK. ONE WOULD ASSUME THE COMPANY SHE WENT THROUGH WHAT HAVE DONE ALL THAT. MOST FOLKS ARE BUYING A PIECE OF PROPERTY, THEY MAKE SURE THEY GOT A GOOD TITLE SEARCH. IN [00:45:01] THEIR HANDS BEFORE THEY PURCHASE IT. HER DEED, HER WARRANTY DEED ALSO DOES SAY THAT IT'S CLEAR. I MEAN, I THINK SHE WOULD HAVE SOME RECOURSE IN GETTING BACK TO THE COMPANY SHE WENT THROUGH TO PURCHASE THE PROPERTY. I THINK TODAY SHE'S JUST TRYING TO SETTLE IT HERE SO THAT SHE CAN SELL THE PROPERTY AND MOVE ON. >> AND YOU HAVE ANOTHER REAL ESTATE CLOSING THAT IS ALSO BEING HELD UP BY THIS WHERE YOU'RE MOVING TO, CORRECT? >> YES. ABOUT 3000 DOWN GOING DOWN SOUTH TO BREVARD COUNTY. I PUT 3000 BECAUSE I THOUGHT I WAS GOOD TO BE CLOSING. IF I DON'T CLOSE IN TIME I LOSE THAT MANY IN THE PLACE. >> OTHER QUESTIONS? > IT'S SO FRUSTRATING. AND IT WAS NOT HER FAULT. HOW ARE WE NOT GETTING REPUTATION THAT YOU HAVE TO. LIENS AND WERE GONNA COME UP AND GIVE YOU NOTHING. >> WHAT CONCERNS ME, MS. PENDLETON IS MY CONSTITUENT. WE'VE TALKED A NUMBER OF TIMES ON THIS. IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT SITUATION AND THAT SHE DID A TITLE SEARCH. SHE USED A REPUTABLE LAW FIRM IN KEYSTONE HEIGHTS TO DO HER CLOSING. HER DEED SAYS THE PROPERTY IS CLEAR. I FEEL BADLY FOR HER THAT SHE IS STUCK WITH ANY OF THIS. >> WHAT HAPPENED TOGETHER 3 TIMES? I WONDER? >> THEY DIDN'T DO TITLE SEARCHES OR, I DON'T KNOW. I OBVIOUSLY CAN'T MAKE THE MOTION. BECAUSE SHE IS MY CONSTITUENT. MY PREFERENCE WOULD BE THAT WAY TO THE LIEN REDUCTION TO ZERO BECAUSE SHE DOES HAVE A WARRANTY DEED THAT SAYS THAT THE LIEN IS CLEAR AND SHE DID THE TITLE SEARCH AND SO SHE DID NOT BUY THIS PROPERTY THINKING THERE WAS ANY ISSUE WITH IT. >> WHO WAS A TITLE COMPANY? DO WE KNOW? >> YEAH, IT'S TAYLOR, RUBIK HARDWICK IN KEYSTONE HEIGHTS ON 21. >> HAVE YOU SPOKEN TO THEM ABOUT THIS? AND THEIR RESPONSE WAS WHAT? >> JUST NOT REALLY, NOBODY IS TAKING ANY ACCOUNTABILITY. I REACHED OUT TO THE PERSON I BOUGHT IT FROM. THE GOING AROUND SINCE JUNE 15 WHEN I HAVE THE CONTRACT. BUT ALL OF US ON THIS LIEN COMES UP. I HAVE BEEN ON THE PHONE WITH EVERYBODY FOR MONTHS AND MONTHS. IT REACHING OUT TO THE PERSON I BOUGHT IT FROM. NOBODY IS TAKING ANY ACCOUNTABILITY FOR ANYTHING. >> THE TITLE COMPANY IS THE PERSON, THE ENTITY YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH. THEY GUARANTEED THAT THEY DID A TITLE SEARCH. DID YOU USE A REAL ESTATE AGENT? >> I HAVE A REAL ESTATE AGENT WITH MY CELL NOW. WHEN I BOUGHT IT, NO. IT WAS BETWEEN ANOTHER PERSON. LIKE A SAID THE CONTRACT WAS DRAWN UP AND WENT THROUGH A TITLE COMPANY. AS I ALWAYS DO. I NEVER EVER QUICK DEED ANYTHING. >> JUST SO I KNOW, THERE'S A GUARANTEE FROM TITLE COMPANY. SOMETHING SHOULD BE RESPONSIBLE. DOES IT IS HER CERTAIN AMOUNT BUT THEY HAVE TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR IF IT'S THE GUARANTEE DOESN'T HAPPEN? A >> MAYBE WE SHOULD FIND OUT. IT'S HAPPENING SO OFTEN. >> WE CAN FIND THAT OUT. TO BE HONEST WITH YOU IT'S NOT OUR PROBLEM. WE ARE NOT BUYING THE PROPERTY. SO, YEAH, I CAN ASK SOME QUESTIONS OF THEM OR MAYBE A REAL ESTATE ATTORNEY WOULD BE THE RIGHT QUESTION. >> IT IS OUR PROBLEM BECAUSE WE KEEP GOING TO ZERO. >> WELL, I HAVE A QUESTION. YOUR PLANS ARE TO TAKE ACTION AGAINST THE PREVIOUS OWNER FOR NOT DISCLOSING THE LIEN. WHY NOT JUST ROLL THIS INTO YOUR ACTION AGAINST THEM? >> I STATED THAT I REACHED OUT TO HIM TO TRY TO HELP ME DO SOMETHING. PAY ANYTHING. LIKE I SAID HE SAID YOU BROUGHT THE PROPERTY, IT'S YOURS AND THAT'S WHAT I'M GETTING TOLD WITH THE PREVIOUS OWNER. HE IS NOT COOPERATING AT ALL. GOING AS FAR AS I GUESS THE WARRANTY DEED. I DON'T KNOW ABOUT ALL THIS. I'VE NEVER HAD ANY OF THIS HAPPENED BEFORE. THAT REQUIRES MONEY. IT CAUSES MANY TO HIRE AN ATTORNEY. I DON'T HAVE THAT. >> YOU JUST CAN'T SAY HEY I WANT TO USE THIS WARRANTY DEED. PARTY ASKED OUT. I WANT TO USE IT AND THEN GO AFTER IT THAT'S NOT HOW IT WORKS. I HAVE TO HAVE AN ATTORNEY. THEY SAID IT'S $275 AN HOUR. >> SHE HAS A $3000 ON HER PROPERTY THAT SHE WILL ALSO LOSE IF SHE CAN'T CLOSE ON THIS PROPERTY NEXT WEEK. >> THE TITLE SEARCH COMPANIES REPTILE BULL COMPANIES THAT THEY SHOULD STAND BY THE WORD. >> EXACTLY. >> THIS IS NOT A COMMISSION [00:50:04] PROBLEM. THIS IS THE TITLE SEARCH PROBLEM. >> WE HAVEN'T TAKEN THIS POSITION ON A LOT OF OTHER REPRODUCTION CASES. IT'S FRUSTRATING TO ME THERE MAKING MY CONSTITUENT TAKE THE BRUNT OF OTHER PEOPLE COMING AND ASKING FOR LIEN REDUCTIONS AND WE GO TO ZERO. >> I THINK ALSO YOU KNOW THAT THESE PEOPLE DOING THIS, ESPECIALLY WITH THIS PROPERTY, I THINK THE QUICK DEEDED IT AND THEY DID THIS AND THEREFORE ANY THINGS. THEY KNEW WHAT THEY WERE DOING. I BELIEVE EVERYBODY KNEW ABOUT THESE LIENS AND THEY WAITED 8 YEARS SO IT COMES TO ME? I CAN'T UNDERSTAND IT. NOBODY SEEMED TO BE WORRIED ABOUT THIS PRIOR. NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN WE'RE WORRIED ABOUT IT. >> WAS AS A PURCHASE FOR AN INVESTMENT PROPERTY? YOU HAD NO INTENTION TO LOVE ON IT? >> SHE LIVES THERE NOW. >> I PURCHASED IT AND I WAS GONNA PUT THE HOME AND I CAN'T AFFORD TO PUT HOME. NOW WHAT I AM DOING IS MOVING AND I HAVEN'T HAD IT THAT LONG. NOW, LIKE I SAID THE NEW PEOPLE, THEY HAVE ALREADY APPLIED FOR A LOAN. IF ARCTIC AUDIT. THE PERMITTING PEOPLE WERE JUST OUT RECENTLY AND MARKED IT UP FOR THE HOME IS GOING TO GO. THEY ARE VERY EXCITED. X THE NEW OWNERS WOULD TAKE POSSESSION BUT. >> MRS. PENDLETON HAS A PERSONAL REASON THAT I DON'T THINK IT'S RIGHT TO MAKE HER SAY ON THE DAIS. HER PLANS S CHANGED NOT TO HER. >> BECAUSE SHE WANTED TO. >> RIGHT. SHE'S TRYING TO DO THE BEST SHE CAN WITH WHAT SHE COUNTS. AND RESTART HER LIFE. SHE IS STUCK WITH SOMETHING FROM 4 OWNERS AGO. >> YES. IT'S NOT YOUR FAULT. IT'S ALWAYS GOOD TO BE SOMEONE'S CONSTITUENT. I KNOW IT'S NOT YOUR FAULT. I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO TELL THE TITLE SEARCH PEOPLE THEY SHOULD COME UP WITH THE MONEY. I KNOW IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'VE UNDERGONE THAT WAY. ANYWAY, I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO GO TO ZERO FOR HER FINE FOR THE PENALTY. >> THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE A SECOND FOR THAT MOTION? >> I WILL SECOND MADAM CHAIR INCE YOUR CALLING ON THE PROPERTY UNDER DISTRICT. IT DOES OCCUR TO ME AS I SIT HERE AND WE'VE DONE THIS MANY TIMES BEFORE WERE SOMEBODY HAS COME IN AND BOUGHT A PIECE OF PROPERTY. DOESN'T SHOW UP ON THE TITLE SEARCH. THEN WE ARE CAUGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF MAKING A DECISION TO HELP SOMEBODY OUT. I DON'T KNOW WHETHER IT'S THE REAL ESTATE INDUSTRY, WHETHER IT'S A LEGAL REAL ESTATE OFFICES THAT ARE NOT DOING WITH OUR SUPPOSED TO DO. IF WE PUT A LIEN ON SOMETHING IS NOT OUR OBLIGATION TO DO A FALL THROUGH TO MAKE SURE EITHER THEIR LEGAL REPRESENTATION OR TITLE COMPANY FINDS THE LIEN. BOTTOM LINE IS, I REALLY QUESTION WHETHER OR NOT A LOT OF THESE FIRMS ARE DOING WHAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING IN TERMS OF FOLLOWING UP TO MAKE SURE THERE IS A CLEAR TITLE. THIS TITLE COMPANY PUT DOWN ABSOLUTELY, THEY CHECK THE BOX. THIS IS A CLEAR TITLE. WE KNOW IT'S NOT. REGARDLESS OF WHERE IT STARTED AND WHERE THEY CAME FROM. THEY OBVIOUSLY DIDN'T GO PAST FLIPPING THE PAGE UP AND TAKING A LOOK AT SAINT OKAY, WE'RE GOOD TO GO. >> HER DEED SAYS IT'S CLEAR YOU ALSO WONDER WAS A LIEN EVER REALLY PUT ON THE PROPERTY APPROPRIATELY? >>.[INAUDIBLE] >> YOU ARE STILL OFF TERESA. >> MAYBE WE SHOULD SEND NOTICES OUT ALL TITLE COMPANIES. WE CAN'T HAVE THAT MANY TITLE COMPANIES IN OUR COUNTY, DO WE? I DON'T OWN. >> THERE IS QUITE A FEW. A LOT OF THEM ARE NOT EVEN BASED HERE. SO, BOTTOM LINE IS I SECOND. BACK TO YOU. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR INDICATE PRICING I. THOSE OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES 4-1. THANK YOU MISS PENDLETON. GOOD LUCK TO YOU. IF YOU WAIT IN THE BACK MS. STEWART HAS ONE [23.  Partial Release of lien] MORE TO PRESENT TO US AND THEN SHE WILL MEET YOU BACK THERE. >> LET ME TURN MY MIND BACK ON. THE SECOND ONE IS A PARTIAL RELEASE. WHAT WERE ASKING FOR THIS ONE ERIC SACHS WAS [00:55:02] REQUESTING PERSON AS A PROPERTY OWNER NOW OF 502 WASHINGTON LANE. WHAT WERE REQUESTING CARE IS A PARTIAL LIEN REDUCTION. IT WILL TAKE IT OFF THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY AND KEEP IT ONN THE ADVERTING PROPERTY WHICH WAS THE ORIGINAL OPERTY AS THE SAME COMPANY OWNED THAT PROPERTY. THEREFORE ALL OF THE LIENS ATTACHED TO ALL OF THEIR PROPERTIES. ERIC SACHS WHO IS HERE TODAY AS PART OF OUR AFFORDABLE HOUSING TEAM HE NOW OWNS THE PROPERTY. I DON'T THINK ERIC REALIZED IT WHEN HE BROUGHT THE PROPERTY. I DON'T KNOW THAT FOR SURE. SO WHAT HE'S TRYING TO DO IS ASK AT THE PARTIAL RELEASE. SO WERE NOT REDUCING THE LIEN AT ALL. HER MOVING IT TO THE ON THE ORIGINAL PIECE PROPERTY NO LONGER ATTACHED TO HIS BECAUSE THEY DON'T OWN HIS ANYMORE. THEN HE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH GETTING IN AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROPERTY. ALL THE REST OF THE NOTES ARE IN YOUR SYSTEM UNLESS YOU HAVE QUESTION. >> QUESTIONS? >> THE LIEN WE SPOKE ABOUT TONIGHT WAS NEVER ATTACHED TO THE PROPERTY? >> CORRECT. >> IT WAS ONLY THROUGH THE PROCESS WITH THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY THAT THERE IS A LIEN AGAINST, IT FOLLOWS ALL HIS PROPERTIES. >> CANCER. >> THAT THIS ONE IS KLONOPIN? >> GASSER. THE LIEN DOES NOT AWAY. IT'S JUST REMOVED. >> IF A TITLE SEARCH WOULD'VE BEEN DONE ON THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY IT WOULD'VE NEVER SHOWN UP? >> NO, IT WOULD HAVE SHOWN UP. >> OF WHAT HEALTH? SO IT'S RECORDED AGAINST THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY. OUR PROCESS OF PETER BUTTERING IT. >> I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S OUR PROCESS OR STATE STATUTE. >> I THINK IT'S BOTH. >> YOU THINK IT'S BOTH? >> UNDER THE STATUTE IT IS A LIEN ON EVERY PIECE OF PROPERTY OWNED. >> I THOUGHT THAT WAS JUST OUR POLICY? >> NO, IT'S MY STATE. >> IF IT'S HELPFUL SIR WE DID DO A TITLE SEARCH ON IT. IT DIDN'T FIND IT. I DON'T KNOW IF THEY DID THE MUNICIPAL BECAUSE I WAS OUT THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE MEETING AS WELL FOR THEY TALK ABOUT THAT MUNICIPAL LIENS. I WILL TELL YOU WHEN I SPOKE WITH YOUR CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER, HEATHER ABOUT THIS WHEN I WAS FIRST IDENTIFIED. SHE COULDN'T FIND IT IN HER SYSTEM EITHER BECAUSE IT WASN'T ON THIS PROPERTY. IT CAME FROM THE OTHER PROPERTY. TOOK QUITE A BIT OF DIGGING. WE NEVER WOULD'VE FOUND IT IF IT WEREN'T FOR THE WORK WE ARE DOING WITH TERESA RIGHT NOW TO PUT IT THROUGH THE PROGRAM. THEY ARE THE ONE THAT IDENTIFIED IT. THAT TITLE COMPANY. >> IS OUT BECAUSE IT'S LOCATED ENTIRELY IN THE CITY LIMITS OF GREENVILLE SPRINGS? >> THIS IS IN THE CITY OF GRIECO SPRINGS. I WOULD VENTURE TO SAY CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS WOULD'VE FOUND IT AND MAYBE THE SECRETARY WHO HE TALKED TO MAY BE WASN'T SURE AND HOW TO FIND THAT ONE. THERE'S THE ANSWER TO THAT. HE BROUGHT UP ABOUT THE MUNICIPAL LIEN AS WELL. NOT A REAL ESTATE ATTORNEY OR REAL ESTATE PERSON. . ONE WOULDASSUME WHEN YOU'RE GOING TO BUY OR SELL A PIECE OF PROPERTY I WANT TO DO EVERY KIND OF LIEN SEARCH THERE IS. CALL IT WHAT YOU WANT. CALL IT MUNICIPAL, CHOLIC COUNTY, HECK IF I KNOW. OW. I WANT TO KNOW IF I'M BUYING A PIECE OF PROPER, EVERY KIND OF LIEN. IF THERE IS A BOX FOR YOU TO CHECK OF THE TYPE OF LIEN SEARCH YOU WANT TO DO WITH YOUR REALTOR, CHECK THEM ALL. >> I THINK TOOK MR. BURKE'S POINT, EARLIER, YOU GO TO BUY A PIECE OF REAL ESTATE YOU SIGN A CONTRACT. >> THIS WHEN YOU GET THAT TITLE INSURANCE. WHEN THIS COMES BACK YOU SHOULD HAVE THOUGHT TO BE ABLE TO SAY HEY, YOU GUYS NEED TO PAY THOSE. >> I'M IN THE PROCESS OF SELLING A PIECE OF PROPERTY AS WE SPEAK. I'M USING A REAL ESTATE AGENT. THAT IS A SPECIFIC BOX YOU CHECK, MUNICIPAL LIENS. >> IT IT SHOULD BE MANDATORY. >> IF MY AGENT WANT TO CHECK THAT BOX THEY PROBABLY WANT TO HAVE CHOCKED AGAINST THE LIENS AGAINST THE PROPERTY. IT IS A SPECIFIC BOX EVERY CHECK. >> THAT'S WHAT SPECIAL MAGISTRATE HARTON SAID DURING OUR MEETING. WHICH WAS A SURPRISE TO ME. >> ALSO LIKE THEY'RE TRYING TO GET AROUND DOING A JOB. >> THEY ARE STILL CHARGING YOU FOR. >> THE AVERAGE PIECE PERSON LIKE ME BUT I KNOW ENOUGH TO ASK, DO I WANT MORE? >> IT'S A GREAT QUESTION. >> HEY COURTNEY, IS THERE ANY WAY THAT WE COULD INSULATE THE COUNTY FROM THE SORT OF THING? HOW DO WE PROTECT, BECAUSE THIS IS NOT GOING TO BE THE LAST TIME WE ENCOUNTER SOMETHING [01:00:02] LIKE THIS. OBVIOUSLY IT'S NOT THE FIRST TIME THE BOARD HAS SEEN IT. THIS IS MY FIRST TIME SEEING IT THIS WAY. I'M MORE INTERESTED IN HOW WE CAN PREVENT US BEING ON THE HOOK. THE LAST ONE WAS $27,300 THAT WERE NOT RECAPTURING. THIS IS GOING TO PRESENT THE SAME. >> THIS IS QUITE A SURPRISE TO ME THAT APPARENTLY WE HAVE 2 PEOPLE. AS A COUNTY GET SUED IN EVERY FORECLOSURE ACTION. ALL THOSE TITLE COMPANIES SEEM TO EASILY FIND ALL OF OUR LIENS. I DON'T KNOW IF THE USER SEEM TO HAVE A COPY BUT, THIS IS NOT. >> I DON'T THINK THAT THEY DID. HERS WAS IN KEYSTONE HEIGHTS. >> TO CLARIFY WE DO NOT USE A TITLE COMPANY. WE DID A TITLE SEARCH. THIS WAS A QUICK CLAIM. >> A QUIT CLAIM DEED. >> I AGREE, COURTNEY, I DON'T RECALL HEARING PEOPLE WHO SAY I DIDN'T LOOK. BUT, TO HAVE PEOPLE AFFECTED TITLE SEARCHES AND IT NOT COME UP IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. >> ABOUT OTHER PEOPLE WHO ARE FRONT OF YOU HAVE ACQUIRED THE PROPERTY THROUGH LIKE A TAX DEED SALE OR, YOU KNOW THEY ARE JUST FLIPPING IT. THEY'RE NOT SPENDING THE MONEY TO DO IT. AND THEY KNOW YOUR PROCESS AND THEY NOTE THAT THEY COULD COME AND REQUEST. >> EXACTLY. >> YOUR OFF LEAVE IT ON. >> I DON'T USUALLY DO THAT. THE OTHER PROPERTY WITH MS. PENDLETON, I'M PRETTY CERTAIN THE 3 SALES BEFORE SHE BROUGHT IT WERE ALL QUICK CLAIM DEED. >> SHE SAID THEY WERE. >> WEEK ON NUMBER CODE CASE PAGES TODAY. I WILL TELL YOU THAT MINE IS LONGER THAN ALL OF YOURS COMBINED. OMBINED. -4 PAGESGES THERE'S A LOT OF CODE ENFORCEMENT LIEN SUTTER IN DISTRICT 4. I COULD TELL YOU RIGHT NOW YOU'RE NEVER GONNA SEE THE MONEY. THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THOUGHTS REPRESENTED OF LIENS AREN'T RE WORTH IT AND NEVER WILL BE. IT'S UNFORTUNATE. THAT'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT'S WHY WERE DOING THE PROJECTS TO HELP PEOPLE NOT GET THE POINT. THAT'S NOT WHY MR. SACHS IS HERE TONIGHT. >> LIMIT COMMENT. THAT'S WHY THE COMMISSION THAT WE LOOK AT CODE ENFORCEMENT. WHERE'S THE MONEY? WE NEVER SEE IT. ALL THESE ANOMALIES WITH PROPERTY PURCHASES AND QUITCLAIM DEEDS. THE TITLE COPY DOESN'T DO THEIR JOB AT THAT YEAH, SHE DIDN'T HAVE TO PAY BUT, OUR RESIDENTS HAVE TO PAY FOR THAT $1700 COST OF THIS ACTION. RESIDENCE IN ORANGE PARK HAVE TO PAY FOR THAT. THE RESIDENTS OF MIDDLEBURG HAVE TO PAY FOR THAT. THAT'S NOT RIGHT. THAT IS NOT RIGHT. THE COMPANY SHOULD BE RESPONSIBLE. THAT'S WHY WE NEED TO LOOK AT ALL THESE CODE ENFORCEMENT, LIENS AND THINGS OF SUCH IN A HOLISTIC VIEW. SHE DIDN'T PAY BUT OUR CONSTITUENTS DID PAY. >> THE IDEA IS TO GET THE PROPERTY CLEANED UP AND I AM WHOMEVER IT IS. THE IDEA IS NOT TO PUT LIENS ON PROPERTIES ARE CLOSE ON PROPERTIES. IT IS TO GET PEOPLE TO CLEAN THEM UP. >> LIKE COURTNEY SAYS PEOPLE KNOW. IT'S LIKE WERE IN A NO-WIN SITUATION. >> I WILL TELL YOU GUYS. TALK TO SOME OF YOUR COHORTS WHEN YOU GO TO SOME OF YOUR COUNTY MANAGER MEETINGS OR COMMISSION MEETINGS. MOST OF THE FOLKS WE TALKED TO HANDLE THEM JUST LIKE YOU HAVE TYPICALLY HANDLED THEM OVER THE YEARS. THE GOAL IS COMPLIANCE AND TO GET THE PROPERTIES CLEANED UP. MOST OF THE COMPANIES AND COUNTIES WE TALK TO THEIR GOAL IS COMPLIANCE. THE 2 A LOT OF THE SAME THINGS THAT YOU GUYS DO APPEARED TO BE HONEST WITH YOU WE HAVEN'T EVEN BEEN ABLE TO FIND ANY OF THEM REALLY IN OUR AREA THAT HAVE REALLY GOTTEN INTO THAT FORECLOSURE BUSINESS. THERE LIKE WE DON'T WANT TO BE IN THE FORECLOSURE BUSINESS. JUST WANT TO GIVE THE PROPERTIES CLEANED UP AS BEST WE CAN. YOU'RE NOT ABNORMAL. THAT'S WHAT THE REST OF THE COMMUNITIES ARE DOING AS WELL. FIND US ONE THAT'S DIFFERENT AND WE WILL HAVE A DIFFERENT CONVERSATION ABOUT IT. >> OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON WHY MR. SACHS IS HERE TONIGHT OR ON ANYTHING ELSE I GUESS? CODE ENFORCEMENT WISE? IF NOT I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. >> I WILL MOVE FOR PARTIAL RELEASE OF THE LIEN AGAINST THE PROPERTY AT 995 AT BYRNE ROAD. MIDDLEBURG. >> IS THE WASHINGTON.> I'M SORRY 502 WASHINGTON. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY FURTHER [01:05:02] DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR INDICATE BY SAYING I APPEARED THOSE OPPOSED? OSHA CARRIES 5-0. THANK YOU. YOU'RE DOING BETTER IN G? >>DID I SPILL THE BEANS? I SHOULDN'T OF. >>> THIS PARTICULAR ONE WE HAVE SOMEONE IN MIND. WHEN NOT QUITE THERE YET. HE'S ONE OF THE INDIVIDUALS WHO WAS HERE WHEN HE RECOGNIZED THE BRONZE [24.  Public Hearing regarding Annual Rate Resolution for Solid Waste Disposal Assessments for FY 2023-24 (C. Grimm/M. Towns)] STAR RECIPIENTS. >> WONDERFUL. >> HE MET ALL THE QUALIFICATIONS . WERE HOPING THAT WILL BE THE PERSON THAT GOES INTO THAT HOUSE. >> I APPRECIATED ERIC. ALL RIGHT WE WILL MOVE TO OUR 5 O'CLOCK TIME SURGEONS. AT 5:07. WE ARE AT OUR PUBLIC HEARING, ACTUALLY WE WILL DO 2425 TOGETHER. THESE ARE PUBLIC HEARINGS FOR ANNUAL RATE RESOLUTIONS FOR SOLID WASTE DISPOSAL ASSESSMENTS AND SOLID WASTE OF RECOVERED MATERIALS COLLECTION ASSISTANCE ASSESSMENTS. MILTON? >> GOOD EVENING MADAM CHAIR, COMMISSIONERS. MS. MILTON TOWNSEND. I SERVE AS YOUR APARTMENT DIRECTOR. THE DISCOVERIES TOGETHER. FOR UNINCORPORATED RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY OWNERS IN THE COUNTY. THERE AFFECTED BY BOTH OF THESE ASSESSMENTS. OUR SOLID WASTE ASSESSMENTS ARE USED TO FUND RESIDENTIAL SOLID WASTE WAS FACILITIES AND SERVICES. NO GENERAL TAX DOLLARS ARE USED FOR, TO FUND THE SERVICES. DUES ARE STRICTLY RESIDENTIAL SERVICES ARE FUNDED THROUGH THE RESIDENTIAL ASSESSMENTS. THE REITS ARE REVIEWED ANNUALLY AND THEY ARE ADJUSTED AS NEEDED. THE COLLECTION ASSESSMENT PRIMARILY FUNDS, CURBSIDE COLLECTION SERVICING FOR RECYCLING, TRASH AND >>> ITEMS. IT ALSO ALLOWS BY HAVING THE CURBSIDE SERVICE AND ALLOWS FOR DISASTER LLECTION FOR THAT DEBRIS COMING OFF OF THOSE PRIVATE PROPERTIES IN THE EVENT OF THOSE DISASTERS. WITHOUT SUCH WE MAY NOT BE ELIGIBLE FOR PARTIAL REIMBURSEMENTS FROM THE STATE AND FEMALE. THE DISPOSAL ASSESSMENT PAYS FOR THE DISPOSAL OF THOSE MATERIALS THAT WE HAVE COLLECTED. AS WELL AS DISPOSALS OF THE MATERIALS THAT RESIDENTS DELIVERED DIRECTLY TO THE ROSEMARY HILL OR ONE OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL CONVENIENCE CENTER DROP OFF LOCATIONS. THAT INCLUDES HOUSEHOLD HAZARDOUS WASTE IN ADDITION TO GARBAGE AND RECYCLING. A LITTLE MORE ABOUT THAT COLLECTION ASSESSMENT. IT WAS ESTABLISHED IN 2006 WITH THE UNIVERSAL COLLECTION PROGRAM. IT'S BEEN IN EXISTENCE 17 YEARS TO DATE. OUR RATE, OUR CURRENT RATE IS 10 PERCENT, IS LESS THAN 10 PERCENT HIGHER THAN THE 2006 RATE. IT'S ABOUT 9.58 I THINK. INFLATION OF THE SAME TIME. HAS TOTALED 48 PERCENT. THE TOTAL PRICE INCREASE OVER THE 17 YEARS OF THIS ASSESSMENT IS $14.34 OR ABOUT $0.27 A WEEK. IN THE HISTORY OF THE ASSESSMENT THERE ARE 4 RATE DECREASES, 5 RATE INCREASES IN 7 YEARS IN WHICH WE DID NOT CHANGE THE RATE OF THE ASSESSMENT. WE DO TRY TO KEEP THIS ASSESSMENT IN LINE WITH ACTUAL COST. THESE COST ARE MOSTLY PASS-THROUGH COST FROM THE COLLECTION CONTRACT. THE ADMINISTRATIVE COST, STAFF COST THINGS OF THAT NATURE AND THIS ASSESSMENT ONLY RUN ABOUT 3 PERCENT. FOR OUR DISPOSAL ASSESSMENT, THIS ONE HAS BEEN AROUND MUCH LONGER. IT WAS ENACTED IN 1993. IN FACT OUR RATE TODAY IS 14 PERCENT OR $12 LOWER THAN THE 1993 RATE. AGAIN, I GIVE YOU THE INFLATION FOR COMPARISON. IT'S BEEN 105 PERCENT OVER THAT SAME TIME PERIOD. WITH OVER THE ASSESSMENT BY $12 IN 2016. HAS REMAINED AT THAT LOWER RATE THROUGH 2022. THUS SAVING THE RESIDENTS $84 PER PROPERTY OWNER OVER THAT TIME PERIOD. THAT DECREASE. I CAN AS FAR AS RATE ADJUSTMENTS THAT HAS BEEN THE ONLY RATE ADJUSTMENT IN THE 29 YEAR HISTORY OF THIS ASSESSMENT TO DATE. COST THAT AFFECT THIS ASSESSMENT AS WELL AS THE OTHER BUT, EQUIPMENT, [01:10:04] FUEL, INSURANCE, LABOR, MATERIALS, PARTS, UTILITY COST'S. THE MAJOR CHANGE OF THIS ASSESSMENT THIS YEAR IS THAT OUR CONTRACTUAL SERVICES FOR HAULING AND DISPOSAL OF OUR WASTE WILL INCREASE BY OVER $6 MILLION. THE YEAR BEGINNING OCTOBER 1. OUR CONTRACT ENDED WE PUT IT OUT FOR BID. WE GOT TO BIDDERS. SELECTED THE LOWER OF THE 2 PRICES. EVEN WITH THAT IT'S A 60 PERCENT PRCE INCREASE OVER THE CONTRACT THAT IS EXPIRING. OUR PROPOSED RATES FOR THE UPCOMING FISCAL YEAR, IT WOULD BE THE 2023 TAX YEAR. THE AMOUNT AND FLOOR ASSESSMENTS, THEY ARE NOT BASED ON MILLAGE RATES OR PROPERTY VALUES. BUT BASED ON THE SERVICES PRVIDED. THEYWILL OCCUR ON THE TAX BILL. THE PROPOSED RATES ARE LISTED HERE. THEY REFLECT INCREASED COST FOR THESE RESIDENTIAL SERVICES. I'LL REMIND YOU THAT THESE ARE RESIDENTIAL COST. COST ATTRIBUTED TO RESIDENTIAL. FOR INSTANCE, ON THE DISPOSAL, RESIDENTIAL EQUATES TO ABOUT 32 PERCENT OF OUR TOTAL DISPOSAL COST. THE OTHER 68 PERCENT IS ATTRIBUTED TO COMMERCIAL ENTITIES. THOSE PAID THE ERRORS THROUGH THEIR TIPPING FEES OR FRANCHISE FEE. THEY DON'T PAY THEIRS THROUGH AN ASSESSMENT. THIS IS RESIDENTIAL ONLY. IT DOES NOT INCLUDE ANY COMMERCIAL. IT IS AN INCREASE. AND SO UNFORTUNATE. WE HAVE TO HAVE AN INCREASE. WERE NOT BLINDED TO THE FACT THAT COST ARE GOING UP ALL AROUND US. THESE ASSESSMENTS ARE HARDLY AFFECTED BY FUEL AND LABOR AND EQUIPMENT COST. SO THAT IS REALLY RAISING OUR COST AS WELL. THE INCREASE DOES COME OUT TO BE 1/4 A DAY. WITH THAT ¦ >> MILTON, YOU'RE ASKING US TO INCREASE THE TOTAL AMOUNT ON A RESIDENCE PROPERTY TAX BILL BUT IT'S FOR THE ASSESSMENTS NOT ON THE PROPERTY TAXES. YOU'RE ASKING US TO INCREASE THESE ASSESSMENTS BY $91 PER YEAR? >> YES MA'AM. WE ARE ASKING TO SET THE COLLECTION ASSESSMENT, TO SET THE RATE AT $228. THE DISPOSAL ASSESSMENT TO SET THE RATE AT $96. FOR THE UPCOMING FISCAL YEAR. THEY ARE AGAIN, NOT ADD FLOOR ASSESSMENTS. THEY ARE SHOWN. WE USE A TAX COLLECTOR TO COLLECT THEM BECAUSE THAT'S THE MOST COST-EFFECTIVE WAY TO COLLECT FUNDS FOR THIS PROGRAM. THEY WILL BE SHOWN AT THE BOTTOM OF THE TAX BILL. THEY ARE THE SAME FOR EVERYONE BECAUSE THERE BASED ON THE VALUE OF THE SERVICE. THEY'RE NOT BASED UPON PROPERTY VALUE. >> YEAH, I HAD SOME RESIDENTS CALL AND SAY THEY THOUGHT THIS WAS ADVERTISED AS A PROPERTY TAX INCREASE. IT IS NOT. THE BOARD VOTED TO KEEP PROPERTY TAXES FLAT AT OUR JULY MEETING. THIS IS UNDER THE ASSESSMENTS ON THE LOWER PART OF THE PROPERTY TAX BILL, CORRECT? >> RIGHT. CORRECT. >> QUESTIONS FOR MILTON? >> THAT'S AN IMPORTANT ASPECT. IT'S A FEAT, IT'S NOT A TAX. I'M GONNA DRAW YOUR ATTENTION TO THE VERY FIRST PAGE. YOU SAY, YOU MENTIONED THESE ARE FLOW-THROUGH COST. IN OTHER WORDS THERE ARE OUR COST FLOWED TO THE RESIDENCE. JUST FOR INFORMATION, THE CITY OF JACKSONVILLE, YOUR FIRST BULLET THERE, NO GENERAL TAX DOLLARS ARE USED. CITY OF JACKSONVILLE USES GENERAL TAX DOLLARS TO FUND THEIR WASTE REMOVAL. I'VE READ THAT FUND IS NOW $38 MILLION. THEY OWE THE GENERAL FUND $38 MILLION. WHAT IS A REQUIREMENT TO PAY THAT BACK? LOOKING AT HOW ARE WE GONNA PAY THAT BACK? >> RIGHT. THEY ARE SET UP MUCH LIKE WE ARE. THERE FUND IS SET UP AS AN ENTERPRISE FUND WHICH MEANS YOU HAVE YOUR OWN COST AND YOUR OWN REVENUE. THEY HAVE NOT RAISED THEIR RATES AS THE COST OF GROWN UP FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS. LAST ARTICLE I READ IS THEY ARE ON TRACK AT THE END OF THIS YEAR TO BE OVER $50 MILLION IN THE RED IN THEIR SOLID WASTE FUND. I THINK THEY [01:15:03] ARE IN A CONUNDRUM. WHERE THEY NEED TO PAY THAT BACK. THE MONEY THEY'RE USING FROM THE GENERAL TAX REVENUES IS COUNTYWIDE REVENUES. SOME OF THE SMALLER CITIES WITHIN DEVOL COUNTY HAVE THEIR OWN WASTE COLLECTION. NOT THROUGH THE CITY OF JACKSONVILLE. LIKE CITY OF JACKSONVILLE BEACH FOR EXAMPLE. IN ESSENCE THEY ARE PAYING TWICE. SUPPLEMENTING POTHERS. I THINK THEY ARE IN A REAL TIGHT SPOT LEGALLY. IT'S GOING TO TAKE THEM A LONG TIME AND SOME HIGH RATES TO WORK THEMSELVES OUT OF A $50 MILLION DEFICIT. >> THE OTHER THING IS I WANT TO CLARIFY. I RECEIVED PHONE CALLS, LETTERS. IF I HAVE 3 PIECES OF PROPERTY I'VE GOT 3 NOTICES. IT'S USPS. THE POSTAL SYSTEM RATES WE PAY TO NOTIFY ME ON 3 DIFFERENT. YOU ONLY HAVE TO TELL ME ONCE YET, YOU TOLD ME 3 TIMES. WHY IS THAT? >> THAT IS A STATE STATUTE REQUIRES WE NOTIFY EACH AFFECTED PROPERTY OWNER. THERE WAS A LETTER FOR EACH AFFECTED PROPERTY. IF YOU OWN 3 IMPROVED RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES YOU WOULD'VE GOTTEN 3 NOTICES. ONE FOR EACH PROPERTY. THAT IS REQUIRED BY STATUTE TO ENSURE THAT COUNTIES AND MUNICIPALITIES NOTIFY THE PUBLIC OF PUBLIC HEARINGS AND RATE INCREASES REGARDING THE ASSESSMENTS. >> THE LAST QUESTION I HAVE IS WE LIST A MUCH HIGHER RATE POTENTIAL RATE FOR SOME OF THE SERVICES. WHETHER IT BE COLLECTION OR DISPOSAL. WHY DO WE PUT SUCH A HEIGHT NUMBER ON THERE? >> THAT IS FOR, IT GOES BACK TO YOUR OTHER QUESTION. BECAUSE WE ARE PROPOSED RATES THIS YEAR. OUR CURRENT RATE ON COLLECTION IS ALREADY AT THE MAXIMUM ALLOWABLE RATE THAT THE BOARD ADOPTED IN 2006. THE $96 PROPOSED RATE FOR DISPOSAL IS HIGHER THAN THE MAXIMUM ALLOWABLE $87 RATE THAT THE BOARD ADOPTED IN 1993. BECAUSE OF THAT WE HAD TO DO THIS NOTICE DIRECT 270+ THOUSAND PROPERTY OWNERS. >> WHICH COST HOW MUCH? >> WHICH COST US ABOUT $74,000. >> ACROSS THE RESIDENCE OF THE $4000? >> BETWEEN PRINTING, STUFFING AND MAILING. BY DOING, BY SETTING A MAXIMUM RATE WE THINK WILL CARRY US OUT ANOTHER 7 OR 10 YEARS. HOPEFULLY LONGER. IT WILL CARRY 7 YEARS EVEN AT 6 PERCENT ANNUAL INFLATION FOR THE NEXT 70 YEARS. HOPEFULLY WE GO BACK TO NORMAL AND IT WILL CARRY AS MUCH BEYOND THAT. THAT'S THE IDEA BY SETTING THAT HIGHER MAXIMUM RATE. THEN WE DON'T HAVE TO DO THE DIRECT MAIL AS LONG AS WE ARE ADJUSTING UP AND DOWN WITHIN THAT MAXIMUM. WE HAVE TO DO THE PUBLIC HEARING NOTICES THROUGH THE NEWSPAPER, THROUGH THE WEBSITE, HOW WE'VE BEEN DOING AT THE LAST FEW YEARS UNTIL WE RAN UP AGAINST HER MAXIMUM ALLOWABLE RATE. ASK MY VERY LAST QUESTION IS, THERE BEEN COMMENTS ABOUT A 10 YEAR CONTRACT. ONE AT A 5 YEAR CONTRACT, ONE OF A 3-YEAR CONTRACT. TELL ME WHY A 10 YEAR CONTRACT IS WELL-SUITED? NORMALLY WE DON'T HAVE LENGTHY CONTRACTS. IN THIS CASE WE DO. WHY? >> THE NEW TRANSPORTATION AND DISPOSAL CONTRACT IS A 10 YEAR TERM. THE REASON FOR THAT IS REQUIRES PEOPLE TO BUY LOADERS, SEMI TRUCKS, TRAILERS AND ALL THIS HEAVY CAPITAL EQUIPMENT IS THEN DEPRECIATED OVER A 10 YEAR TERM. IN THE INDUSTRY. WE COULD HAVE A 5-YEAR CONTRACT. THEN THE BIDDERS WOULD DEPRECIATE ALL OF THE EQUIPMENT THAT THEY HAVE TO BUY TO PROVIDE THE SERVICES OVER A SHORTER TIME PERIOD. WHICH WOULD INCREASED OUR COST. IT'S A 10 YEAR CONTRACT HAVE BEEN THE NORM IN THE SOLID WASTE INDUSTRY. WHEN I STARTED, 5-YEAR CONTRACTS WERE THE NORM. THEY WENT TO 7 AND 8. NOW AS DEPRECIATION SCHEDULES ARE OUT POF TOWN ON EQUIPMENT, THEY'VE MOVED TO 10. >> THANK YOU. >> COMMISSIONER BURKE, WE HAVE A WAY OUT IF SOMETHING HAPPENS AND WERE NOT PLEASED. THERE'S REASONS WHY WE COULD GET OUT, [01:20:03] CORRECT? ISN'T THAT RIGHT? >> RIGHT. THE NEW CONTRACT WE'VE ENTERED IS FOR THE TRANSPORTATION DISPOSAL. THAT'S THE ONE MOST PEOPLE DON'T SEE THAT MUCH. WE LOAD THE GARBAGE THAT COMES IN AND THE ROUTE TRUCKS. IT GETS RELOADED INTO SEMI TRAILERS AN HAULED TO THE LANDFILL. WE HAVE WHAT WE CALLED LIQUIDATED DAMAGES IN THE CONTRACT. IT'S FOR NONPERFORMANCE. FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD LIQUIDATED DAMAGES YOU MIGHT QUALIFYING. FOR FAILURE TO PROVIDE SERVICES ACCORDING TO THE CONTRACT. THEN OF COURSE THERE'S OUR PROVISIONS TO CANCEL THE CONTRACT IF THOSE FAILURES CONTINUE OR IF THEY ARE AN EGREGIOUS FAILURE. ON THE COLLECTION SIDE OF OUR CURRENT COLLECTION CONTRACT IS EXPIRING NEXT YEAR. IN FACT WE'VE PUT OUT A BID. IT'S OUT NOW FOR SERVICES FOR THE NEXT COLLECTION CONTRACT. IT'S OUR FULL INTENTION. IN THE BEEN WE MADE SURE THE BIDDERS UNDERSTOOD THAT BURGUM HAVE LIQUIDATED DAMAGES. WHERE CAN HAVE PERFORMANCE MEASURES. THAT ARE TIGHTER THAN THEY ARE IN OUR CURRENT CONTRACT. THE COUNTY ENTERED THIS CONTRACT FOR COLLECTION IN 2006. IT'S BEEN 17 YEARS. THE COUNTY HAS LEARNED A LOT OVER THAT PERIOD OF TIME. YOU LEARN FROM EXPERIENCE. OUR NEXT CONTRACT WILL HAVE A LOT OF REVISIONS IN IT. AND TOOLS TO HELP US MANAGE THE CONTRACT. >> I KNOW I'VE LEARNED MORE ABOUT GARBAGE THAN I EVER WANT TO KNOW IN MY LIFETIME. [LAUGHTER]. >> LET'S GO BACK OVER THAT AND JUST MAKE SURE FOLKS UNDERSTAND. WE HAVE 2 DIFFERENT THINGS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE. DISPOSAL, WHEN YOU SAY DISPOSAL WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE OPERATION OF THE LAND FEEL AT ROSEMARY HILL. WHERE PEOPLE, THE COLLECTION TRUCKS. THOSE FOLKS BETTER DRINK CURBSIDE COLLECTION BRING THE GARBAGE, YARD WASTE AND RECYCLES. ALL THERE. A LOT OF PEOPLE CALLED A TRANSFER STATION. BUT IT'S TRANSFER TO ANOTHER FINAL DESTINATION. >> IN ADDITION TO THE DROP-OFF CENTERS WE HAVE. WE CALL THEM ENVIRONMENTAL CONVENIENT CENTERS. THERE ARE 4 OF THOSE. PIT WAS A TOTAL OF 5 LOCATIONS IN THE COUNTY FOR DROP-OFF. >> THAT'S WHAT WERE CALLING DISPOSALS. SO PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THAT. WE TAKE THE MATERIALS HERE WE BRING IT TO ITS END PLACE IN ONE CASE GEORGIA AND THE OTHER CASE IS IT GOES ELSEWHERE. IT DOESN'T STAY HERE. AND THAT SOMEONE WOULD JUST BID OUT. >> CORRECT. >> GRANT TO COMPANIES THAT BID ON THAT. BASICALLY THE ONE COMPANY, WASTE MANAGEMENT IS ONE WE'VE HAD AND THEY HELD A CONTRACT BEFORE. THEY HAVE OFFERED US AN EXTENSION AND WE TURNED DOWN THAT EXTENSION AND IT WAS GOOD THING. IN A COMPETITIVE SITUATION THEY WERE HOW MUCH LESS WITH THE PROPOSED EXTENSION? >> FOR SHOPFRONT THEIR PENCIL AND IT WAS ANOTHER ALMOST ANOTHER MILLION DOLLARS CHEAPER IN TOTAL. >> STILL NOT CHEAPER THAN IT WAS UNDER THE OLD CONTRACT. A LOT LESS THAN WHAT THEY WERE OFFERING US IF WE DIDN'T GO OUT TO BID. WE WENT OUT TO BID AND THAT CONTRACT WAS NEGOTIATED AND THEY ARE IN PLACE. >> THEY WERE 1.1 OR 1.2 MILLION PER YEAR CHEAPER THAN THE OTHER BIDDER OVER THE 10 YEAR AGREEMENT. OVER $10 MILLION DIFFERENCE. >> $10 MILLION SAVINGS. >> YEAH. >> THE BOTTOM LINE IS THEY BEEN DOING IT SINCE 1993. EVEN THOUGH WE HAD PROBLEMS ON THE CURBSIDE COLLECTION WITH THEM DURING THE COURSE OF A PANDEMIC AND OTHER TIMES. THE NEVER MISSED A BEAT IN TERMS OF TAKING THAT MATERIAL, GARBAGE AND WASTE AND OTHER THINGS AND REMOVING IT FROM THERE AND SENDING INTO GEORGIA. >> IF I MAY COMMISSIONER, ON THE DATE. THEY HAD HAD THAT AGREEMENT 14 YEARS. IN 93 WHEN IN FACT WE STILL HAD AN ACTIVE LANDFILL THEY HAD HAD THAT SERVICE FOR 14 YEARS. RIGHT, THAT IS NOT AFFECTED WHEN WE PHAVE THE RECYCLING SUSPENSION. IT'S LIKE A DIFFERENT ARM. >> RIGHT. SO THAT'S DISPOSAL. THAT'S EASILY LOOKED UP ON THE CHART. THEN, WE COME TO OUR COLLECTION ASSESSMENT. THAT'S WHERE PEOPLE SEE THAT ON ALMOST A DAILY BASIS SOMEWHERE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOODS. THEY ARE PICKING UP MAINSTREAM WASTE. THERE PICKING UP RECYCLE. THE PICKING UP YARD WASTE. THAT'S CURRENTLY BEING HELD BY WASTE MANAGEMENT. THAT'S WHERE A LOT [01:25:05] OF PEOPLE ARE UNHAPPY WITH THEIR PERFORMANCE UNDER THE PREVIOUS CONTRACT. AS YOU INDICATED WE DIDN'T HAVE A TERMINATION CLAUSE OR LIQUIDATED DAMAGES THAT WE COULD DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. THE CONTRACT IS COMING UP TO EXPIRE. REBEL TO PUT OUT A NEW BID TO HAVE AS MANY COMPANIES OUT THERE THAT WANT OUR BUSINESS AND IT WILL PROBABLY BE 5 OR 6? >> IT COULD BE MORE. >> THAT'S A VERY COMPETITIVE SITUATION AND WERE HOPING THAT HELPS HOLD THE PRICES DOWN. THE COLLECTION ASSESSMENT IS THE ONE WE ARE ALSO RAISING. WE'VE SEEN WAITING IN OTHER COMMUNITIES AND WE'VE SEEN WHAT THEY'VE DONE IN TERMS OF HAVING TO PAY MORE. THAT IS WHERE WE COME UP WITH THAT NUMBER BASED ON WHAT WE THINK THAT WILL BE. IT COULD BE MORE OR COULD BE LESS AFTER WE GET DONE WITH THE BIDDING. THEN WE WILL HAVE AN IDEA AS TO WHAT THAT IS. WHEN DO WE EXPECT THOSE BIDS? >> THOSE BIDS WILL BE DUE END OF SEPTEMBER OR FIRST WEEK OF OCTOBER. THEN WE WILL HAVE ACTUAL NUMBERS TO SPECIFIC TO OUR COUNTY. FROM THOSE BIDS. >> LET ME SAY, I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK FOR THE OTHER MEMBERS ALSO, I THINK I'VE BEEN ON THE BOARD LONG ENOUGH FOR THEM TO UNDERSTAND NONE OF US WERE HAPPY WITH THAT WASTE MANAGEMENT PERFORMANCE DURING THE PANDEMIC AND ELSEWHERE. ALTHOUGH THEY TRIED THERE CERTAINLY MISSED THE MARK IN A NUMBER OF WAYS ESPECIALLY IN COMMUNICATING WITH OUR RESIDENTS. THAT IS SOMETHING WITH WHOEVER COMES IN AS A NEW COLLECTION AGENT IS GOING TO HAVE TO STEP UP THEIR GAME UP IN TERMS OF MAKING SURE PEOPLE GET CALLED BACK AND ARE GIVEN INFORMATION THAT THEY ARE ASKING FOR ON THE PHONE. THAT WILL BE SOMETHING AS PART OF OUR SCOPE OF WORK WE ARE LOOKING FOR. >> PART ABOUT SCOPE OF WORK IS TO ENSURE CONTRACTUALLY THAT THEY HAVE TO HAVE, THEY HAVE TO ANSWER THE PHONES IN CLAY COUNTY. >> NO REGIONAL CALL CENTER WILL BE. >> FOLKS WILL KNOW OUR AGREEMENT AND PROBABLY ONLY OUR AGREEMENT. >> WHAT WOULD YOU SAY IS THE TIMEFRAME IN TERMS OF AFTER THE BIDDING WE GO THROUGH THE LATE PERIODS AND ALL THOSE THINGS AND NEGOTIATING THE CONTRACT. WHEN YOU THINK THE NEW COLLECTION EACH OF THE TAKEOVER? WE DON'T KNOW WHO THAT'S GOOD TO BE. >> I THINK IT'S SAFE TO SAY, WELL THEY WOULDN'T TAKE OVER TILL OCTOBER 1, 2024. THAT'S WHEN OUR CONTRACT ENDS. NEXT I THINK WE WILL KNOW WHO IT'S GOING TO BE AND I THINK THE TIMELINE WOULD ALLOW THE BOARD TO HAVE MADE A SELECTION OF WHO THAT NEXT HOLLER IS GOING TO BE BY JANUARY OF NEXT YEAR. >> WERE TALKING ABOUT IMPROVEMENTS FOR EQUIPMENT BEING USED BY THEM AND ALSO BY OUR RESIDENTS, RIGHT? >> IN THE BID ON THE STREET WERE ASKING TO START OFF WITH BASICALLY ALL NEW EQUIPMENT. ALL EQUIPMENT TO BE 2023 OR 2024 YEAR EQUIPMENT. IT WILL BE ALL NEW COMMIT TO BEGIN THE CONTRACT. >> THANK YOU MILTON. I APPRECIATE YOU. YOU MADE A LOT OF CALLS. I THINK WERE CONFUSED I WANT TO MAKE SURE PEOPLE UNDERSTOOD WHAT WE ARE LOOKING AT HERE. >> CERTAINLY, ONE QUESTION THAT WOULD BE A FOLLOW-UP QUESTION I DIDN'T WANT TO INTERRUPT YOUR THOUGHT PROCESS. ONE QUESTION I GOT IS A FOLLOW-UP WAS WHY ARE WE PAYING TO TAKE THE TRASH TO GEORGIA? I REMEMBER THE OTHER BIDDER THAT WAS A HIGHER BID ACTUALLY WAS PROPOSING TO TAKE IT TO PALATKA, TO PUTNAM COUNTY'S LANDFILL. WE GET TO CHOOSE WHERE OUR DISPOSAL IS OR DOES THE HOLLER COULD SHE DO THAT? >> IN THIS BID THE HOLLER PROPOSED WHERE THEY WERE GOING TO TAKE IT. OUR GARBAGE IS UNDER THE NEW AGREEMENT WITH WASTE MANAGEMENT GOES TO THEIR BIG REGIONAL LANDFILL IN GEORGIA. EVEN THOUGH IT'S TWICE THE HAULING DISTANCE THEN GOING TO PALATKA HAULING PORTION COST MORE THAN THE OTHER BIDDER BUT COME UP WITH LANDFILL COST ARE SO MUCH LESS THAN LANDFILL COST AT PUTNAM COUNTY. THAT IT WAS THE CHEAPER OPTION. MICAH SENT BY $1 MILLION A YEAR. LANDFILL RATES IN GEORGIA ARE MUCH CHEAPER THAN THEY ARE IN FLORIDA. >> THERE AREN'T A LOT OF [01:30:02] LANDFILLS OUT THERE CORRECT? >> NOT A LOT OF OPTIONS ON PEOPLE WHO WANT OUR TRASH. THERE SOME LANDFILLS IN OUR SURROUNDING COUNTIES THAT WON'T ACCEPT. THEY AREN'T AN OPTION. LIKE THE NEW RIVER WASTE AUTHORITY WHICH HAS A LANDFILL IN UNION COUNTY. THEY WON'T ACCEPT OUR WASTE. OUR OPTIONS ON WHERE TO TAKE IT ARE LIMITED. WITH THE TRANSFER STATION MODEL YOU HAVE TOLD ME THAT DISTANCE OF HAULING VERSUS COST TO BURY IT. YOU PUT THOSE 2 TOGETHER AND YOU GET THE BEST RATE YOU CAN. >> THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MILTON? MR. BURKE? >> ONE THING THAT WAS INTERESTING AND A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T REALIZE, A BIG QUESTION I GOT IS WHY CAN'T I HIRE MY OWN GARBAGE PICKUP? WHY CAN'T I OPT OUT? IF YOU CAN EXPLAIN THAT. I ACTUALLY DID NOT REALIZE THE REAL REASON FOR THAT. >> THERE IS A NUMBER. IN ESSENCE THE COUNTY IN 2006 ADOPTED AND CHOSE TO GO TO A UNIVERSAL COLLECTION PROGRAM. IF WE STARTED DOING, IF WE WENT THE OTHER WAY IT WOULD BE WHAT THE COUNTY HAVE DONE IN THE PAST WHICH WOULD BE A SUBSCRIPTION MODEL. WHICH MEANS YOU HAVE MULTIPLE VENDORS PEOPLE CAN CHOOSE THEIR OWN. IN ESSENCE AND YOU LOSE THE ECONOMY OF SCALE WHEN YOU DO THAT. WE ACTUALLY CALLED YESTERDAY JUST TO SEE. MARION COUNTY IS IS NOT MODEL IN THE COUNTY. NEW TAKE THEIR COLLECTION AND THEIR DISPOSAL THEY PAY BETWEEN 30 AND $35 A MONTH FOR GARBAGE ONLY. NO RECYCLING, NO YARD TRASH, NO >>> . GARBAGE ONLY. OUR PROPOSED RATE IS $19 A MONTH. 27 WITH BOTH ASSESSMENTS COMBINED. AND TO HAVE ALL SERVICES. IT COST MORE AND ELSEWHERE AND TEAR IN OUR ROOMS SO YOU MULTIPLE COMPANIES ON THE SAME STREET TOUR OF THE SAME SERVICE. IF I USE THE BOARD AS AN EXAMPLE. EACH ONE OF YOU CAN HAVE A DIFFERENT COMPANY. YOU COULD LIVED AS NEIGHBORS ON SAME STREET. YOU COULD EACH HAVE A DIFFERENT COMPANY IF WE HAD 5 COMPANIES. THERE ARE OTHER THINGS IT LEADS TO WHERE UNIVERSAL COLLECTION. WE TALKED ABOUT THE DEBRIS ISSUE. THAT OPENS UP THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THE COUNTY TO HELP GET REIMBURSED AND PROVIDE THAT. >> WHAT ABOUT WHEN IT COMES TO PUBLIC SAFETY MILTON? >> IT IS . WITH UNIVERSAL COLLECTION IT'S OUR EXPERIENCE AND IT'S PRETTY WELL ACCEPTED AS ONE OF THE BENEFITS TO THAT IS IT DECREASES IMPROPER HANDLING OF WASTE. IT DECREASES DUMPING. IT DECREASES BURNING. OF WASTE THAT ARE DANGEROUS TO BURN. THE COUNTY MADE THAT SELECTION IN 2006. I THINK FOR THOSE BENEFITS OF THE UNIVERSAL COLLECTION PROGRAM. THAT'S WHY THERE'S NOT AN OPT OUT IN THEIR BECAUSE THAT WOULD UNDERMINED THE PROGRAM ITSELF. THAT'S NOT PART OF THE DISCUSSION OF THE ASSESSMENT RATES. THAT WOULD BE A MAJOR SERVICE CHANGE TO MOVE AWAY FROM UNIVERSAL COLLECTION. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? >> I THINK IT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL TO GO OVER EXEMPTIONS FOR DISABILITIES. CAN YOU GO OVER THAT PLEASE? >> THERE ARE EXEMPTIONS. IT'S CALLED, IT'S IN OUR ORDINANCE WRITTEN AS A HARDSHIP EXCESS EXEMPTION FOR THE ASSESSMENT. THERE THOSE THAT FIND IT DIFFICULT TO PAY FOR THEIR ASSESSMENT. MAYBE MOST OF THEIR PROPERTY IS EXEMPT ON THE REST OF THE TAXES. EXCEPT FOR THE GARBAGE FEE. THE COUNTY HAS PLACED IN AN ORDINANCE HARDSHIP EXEMPTION IN WHICH IF A PERSON OR A FAMILY QUALIFIES ITS INCOME BASED. IF THE VARIABLE INCOME AND THEY QUALIFY BASED ON THE INCOME LEVEL AND THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE RESIDING IN THE HOME. THEN THEY MAY BE EXEMPTED FROM PAYING THEIR ASSESSMENT. >> IS ALSO VETERAN. >> THERE'S A SIMILAR ASSESSMENT FOR DISABLED VETERANS THAT IS NOT ASSOCIATED WITH INCOME. IT'S FOR A FULL DISABILITY SERVICE RELATED DISABILITY. WE [01:35:11] HAVE A NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO WERE EXEMPTED UNDER BOTH OF THOSE CATEGORIES. I THINK THIS YEAR WERE 26 AND 700 HARDSHIP EXEMPTIONS. OR ACTIVE. AROUND 2000 VETERAN EXEMPTIONS. THAT INFORMATION IS AVAILABLE IF YOU GO TO THE COUNTY'S WEBSITE AND LOOK AT GARBAGE AND RECYCLING. AND CLICK ON THERE. IT WILL BE THERE. WE CAN GET SOME NAMES AND PHONE NUMBERS HERE TONIGHT. REACH BACK OUT TO FOLKS IF FOLKS ARE INTERESTED IN LEARNING MORE ABOUT THAT. >> THANK YOU. >> MILTON, FOR THE INCOME HARDSHIP, OR OF THOSE LEVELS COME FROM? >> THE INCOME HARDSHIP AS 150 PERCENT OF THE FEDERAL POVERTY LEVEL FOR THE NORTH FLORIDA AREA. THE GREATER JACKSONVILLE AREA. THOSE NUMBERS COME FROM THROUGH HUD AND THE FEDERAL POVERTY LEVEL. NOTHING THE COUNTY MAKES OUT. WE SAID IT AND THAT'S WHAT WE SET IT OUT. IT'S 50 PERCENT OF. THOSE INCOME LEVELS ADJUST EACH YEAR. AND LIKE I SAID IT DEPENDS. IF THERE'S ONE PERSON IN THE HOME IT'S THIS RATE. IF THERE ARE 2 PEOPLE IN THE HOME IT'S A DIFFERENT RATE. P>> OKAY. OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER BURKE? >> I HAD 2 OTHER QUESTIONS. A NUMBER OPERATING IN THE NEGATIVE, CORRECT? >> THIS YEAR ON COLLECTION WE WILL BE, YES. WE WILL BE USING RESERVES TO FINISH PAYING OUR BILLS THIS YEAR. >> WHY IS THAT IMPORTANT? EVERYBODY THANKS WE HAVE TONS OF MONEY IN THE COUNTY AND WE CAN PULL IT FROM ALL DIFFERENT FUNDS WHICH I'VE DEFINITELY LEARNED IS NOT TRUE. WHY DO WE NEED THOSE RESERVES? >> I GO BACK TO THE JACKSONVILLE STORY BORROWING MONEY FROM THE GENERAL FUND. WITH OUR ASSESSMENT, WE NEED TO RETURN TO. WE WERE IN A POSITION LAST YEAR WERE WE NEEDED TO HAVE RAISE THE RATE ABOVE WHAT WAS THEN ABOVE THE $161. WHICH ONES THE MAXIMUM ALLOWABLE. WE CHOSE NOT TO PURSUE THAT LAST YEAR BECAUSE RECYCLING WAS SUSPENDED AND WE WERE HAVING THE SERVICE ISSUES. WE JUST AND AT ONE, THAT WHAT IT FELT LIKE A BIG SLAP IN THE FACE TO OUR RESIDENTS. IT WOULD HAVE TO ME. WE'VE LOOKED AT IT AND WE SAID WELL, WE HAVE ENOUGH RESERVES TO PAY THIS LAST COUPLE OF MONTHS. WE WILL USE ABOUT ONE HALF MILLION OUT OF RESERVES TO FINISH PAYING THIS YEAR. AND THEN, WE NEED TO HAVE THAT CUSHION. WHEN I SAY RESERVES WE PAY CURRENTLY ABOUT $1 MILLION A MONTH FOR OUR COLLECTION CONTRACT. WE REALLY SHOULD HAVE ABOUT 20 PERCENT RESERVES. BECAUSE THE ASSESSMENTS ARE COLLECTED ON THE TAX BILL WE START, THE CONTRACTOR STARTS OCTOBER 1. WE HAVE TO PAY OCTOBER AND NOVEMBER SPILLS BEFORE WE GET ANY REVENUE. THE TAX BILL DOESN'T GET MAILED UNTIL NOVEMBER. REVENUES COMING USUALLY AND WAS TARGETING REVENUE DECEMBER. WE USE THOSE RESERVES TO GET THROUGH THAT FIRST COUPLE OF MONTHS. SO WE HAVE TO HAVE THAT AMOUNT OF CASH FLOW. SO WE CAN PAY OUR BILLS ON TIME. AND THEN, IN INSTANCES, THE LAST STORM WE HAD, AT THE BOARD'S DIRECTION, IT WAS NOT A DECLARED DISASTER. IT WAS ON A DISASTER THAT WAS ALLOWED FOR ANY REIMBURSEMENT THAT IT MADE A MESS OF THINGS I CLAY COUNTY FOR CITIZENS. WE SPENT MONEY TO HAVE EXTRA YARD COLLECTION TO GET EXTRA TRUCKS AND FROM THE CURRENT HOLLER AND UTILIZED OUR PARTNERS AT ORANGE PARK IN GREENE COVE SPRINGS FOR THEIR GRAVEL TRUCKS. >> HOW MUCH WAS OUT? >> BE PAID FOR THAT OUT OF THOSE RESERVES. IF WE HADN'T HAD THOSE RESERVES WE WOULD'VE HAD TO, THE COUNTY WOULD HAVE HAD THE FOUND THE MONEY SOMEWHERE ELSE WERE NOT PROVIDED EXTRA SERVICE. >> SO THE PEOPLE WAS DOMINIC NO HOW MUCH WAS THAT? WAS A LOT OF MONEY. [01:40:07] >> ARMOR WAS LIKE 8 MILLION RIGHT. >> THAT WAS MORE THAN UST DEBRIS THOUGH, RIGHT? >> IT'S STILL MILLIONS OF DOLLARS. >> THAT WAS JUST DEBRIS. >> IRMA AND HOW DEVASTATING IT WAS WAS 8 MILLION AT THAT TIME. AGAIN, INFLATIONARY COST ON THAT. YOU'RE TALKING OVER $10 MILLION SHOULD A MAJOR STORM HIT AT THAT CATEGORY. >> WE HOPE TO BE REIMBURSED. IT TAKES YEARS A LOT OF TIMES. >> NOT THE COLLECTION FUND BUT WE HAVE ARE MANY DIFFERENT BUCKETS. THE SOLID WASTE OVERALL, THERE ARE MONIES IN THERE THAT ARE RESERVES THAT ARE SPOKEN FOR BASICALLY. THERE'S $10 MILLION IN THERE THAT IS THE COUNTY'S RESERVE FOR DISASTER DEBRIS. IF WE DIDN'T HAVE IT THERE WE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE IT IN ANOTHER COUNTY FUND SOMEWHERE. BECAUSE LIKE YOU SAID, WE SPEND THE MONEY THEN IT IS GETTING YEARS TO GET OUR PORTION BACK. IT'S NOT 100 PERCENT THAT. THERE ARE ALSO OTHER MONIES WE HAVE TO HAVE ASIDE. WE HAVE TO HAVE POSTCLOSURE. THE COUNTY HAS MULTIPLE CLOSED LANDFILLS, LITIGANTS SEAT LANDFILLS. LANDFILLS THAT ARE CLOSED AND ROSEMARY HILL ARE STILL ACTIVELY MONITORING UNDER OUR PERMITS WITH THE STATE. SO THE STATE REQUIRES US TO HAVE CERTAIN AMOUNT OF MONIES SET ASIDE AND AVAILABLE IN CASE SOMETHING BAD HAPPENS. WE HAVE TO DO A CLEANUP. ALTHOUGH IF YOU LOOK AT THE BUDGET AND THERE'S QUITE A BIT, THERE'S A LOT OF MONEY THERE. IT'S FOR SPECIFIC THINGS. TO PROTECT THE COUNTY CASE SOMETHING BREAKS. >> OKAY, MY LAST QUESTION IS, WHEN EVERYONE GOT THOSE NOTICES IT WAS A LARGE NUMBER ON THE OTHER SIDE THAT UPSET A LOT OF PEOPLE. IT WAS HARD TO UNDERSTAND THAT. IF WE WERE TO HAVE TO GO UP AGAIN BECAUSE HOPEFULLY WE WILL GET A BRAIN THAT WERE HOPING TO GET. IT WOULD ALWAYS COME BACK TO THE BOARD. PEOPLE ASKED ABOUT A BLANK CHECK. THAT WE COULD BREAK HOWEVER MUCH. IT WOULD ALWAYS COME BACK TO THE BOARD ABOUT TIME, CORRECT? >> THAT IS CORRECT. EVERY ADJUSTMENT TO THE ASSESSMENTS WILLALWAYS COME TO THE BOARD AT A PUBLIC HEARING. THAT ALLOWS THE PUBLIC TO COMMENT. >> GREAT. >> AGAIN, THAT'S A STATUTE. >> OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MILTON? IF NOT I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. WHICH WILL WELCOME PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS PARTICULAR ISLAND ONLY. WE ARE TAKING COMMENTS NOW ON ITEMS 24 AND 25. I WILL ALSO ADD, LET ME OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. I OPENED THE PUBLIC HEARING. I WILL ADD IF YOU BROKE US AND YOU SPECIFICALLY WERE ONLY TALKING ABOUT THIS ITEM FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING. WE ARE PUTTING ALL OF THOSE EMAILS AND LETTERS INTO THE RECORD. THEY WILL BE REFLECTED IN THE MINUTES AS AN ATTACHMENT. AGAIN, THEY HAD TO BE SPECIFICALLY ONLY ON THIS ITEM. IF YOU DEVIATE AND TRY TO TALK ABOUT ANY OTHER SUBJECTS THAN WE CANNOT PUT IT WITH THE PUBLIC HEARING. OUR FIRST, YOU ALL FILLED OUT CARDS IN THE LOBBY. THEY WERE PNUMBERED. THUS A NUMBER ORDER I'M GOING IN. AND IS NOT FAVORED IN ANY WAY. CARD NUMBER ONE IS KIM STACY. >AFTER MISS STACY IT'S GEORGE HATE. >> GOOD EVENING, THANK YOU AGAIN FOR LETTING ME COME AND SPEAK. AND TO ADDRESS OUR CONCERNS OR MY CONCERNS. JUST TO PUT IT OUT THERE, WASTE MANAGEMENT IS NOT THE BEST PEOPLE TO BE DEALING WITH. THEY WERE CHARGED BACK IN 1980 WITH THE LAW OVER $3 MILLION TO SECURE AND EXCHANGE COMMISSION AGAINST THE FOUNDERS OF TOP [01:45:02] OFFICERS WASTE MANAGEMENT CHARGING WITH THE PREPARATION OF MASSIVE FINANCIAL FRAUD LASTING MORE THAN 5 YEARS. THEY PAID LOTS OF MONEY OUT FOR THAT. ANYWAY. OKAY I'M GONNA HAVE TO GO FAST. I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THANK YOU. I LIKE TO SAY THAT THE STATE IS GIVING THE BOARD SPECIAL ASSESSMENT, SPECIAL LAWS AND POWERS TO ENACT TAXES AGAINST ORLANDO PROPERTY WHICH IN MY OPINION IS AGAINST OUR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS DEPRIVING PERSONS OF LIFE, LIBERTY AND DISPARITY. THE STATE HAS GIVEN THE BOARD TO WRITE TO TAX LEVY AGAINST THE PROPERTIES FOR SERVICE OF PTHE BOARD DEEMED THAT EVERY RESIDENT MUST HAVE. THE TAX LEVY PROPERTY WITHOUT CONSENT AND STRONGLY OPPOSED BY THE RESIDENTS. WE HAVE OPPOSED THIS EVERY YEAR THAT YOU ALL HAVE PUT THIS IN. WITH THE STATE GIVEN THE SPECIAL POWERS TO THE BOARD THE STATE SAYING THE BOARD MAY NOT COME UP MAY NOT ENACT THE SPECIAL SERVICES, IT ALSO STATES THAT THE BOARD MAY RESEND THESE TAX LEVIES AGAINST NOT RECERTIFY THE BONDS FOR SERVICE OR SUPPORT FOR THEIR SERVICE RESENTENCED. BASICALLY WE'VE OPPOSED THIS EVERY YEAR. YOU ALL ARE LIVING THESE PROPERTIES FOR THE TAXES THE STATE HAS COMMUTE SPECIAL POWERS AND ASSESSMENT STUDIO. WE DON'T WANT OUR PROPERTY, WE CANNOT AFFORD THIS. WE CAN'T AFFORD TO FEED OUR FAMILIES, PUT LIGHTS ON OUR TABLES. WE CAN'T AFFORD THIS. THEN YOU CAN OPPONENT THIS AGAINST US. NO, NO. TO EVERYBODY, IT IS OUR JOB TO RECOGNIZE THAT THE STATE IS GIVING THEM THIS POWER. WE MUST GO TO THE STATE AND RESENT THIS BACK FROM THEM FOR THE PEOPLE. THEY ARE LEVERAGING OUR PROPERTIES AWAY. IT IS A MASSIVE, MASSIVE LAND GRAB. THAT WE CANNOT AFFORD THIS. WE'RE GOING TO BE PUT OFF OUR PROPERTIES AND OUT OF OUR HOMES BECAUSE WE CAN'T AFFORD THIS. YOU ALL WERE PUTTING THIS AGAINST OUR PROPERTY. IN ORDER TO KEEP OUR PROPERTY WE HAVE TO PAY SOMETHING WE CAN AFFORD AND TO NOT VOTE AND HAVE OPPOSED THIS FROM DAY ONE. LANDFIELD IS ONE THING. THE SERVICE BUT THE GARBAGE BUT WE DON'T ASK IT. WE COULD TAKE HER OWN GARBAGE TO THE DUMP. >> THANK YOU. >> ARE THE ONE 10TH OF A MILE FROM THE DUMP. WE DON'T NEED THESE SERVICES. WE NEED TO HAVE THIS RESCINDED. YOU CAN DO THIS. Y'ALL CAN DO THIS IN YOUR CODE. IN YOUR SPECIAL LAWS AND ASSESSMENTS. YOU CAN RESENT THESE POLICIES AND TAX LEVIES AGAINST OUR PROPERTY. >> THANK YOU MISS STACY. I JUST WANT TO ADD STOP, STOP. NO, NO. WE HAVE A DECORUM IN OUR BOARDROOM SAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE HERE FOR PUBLIC HEARING TONIGHT. WE DO NOT APPLAUD. WE DO NOT YELL. WE HAVE TO KEEP IT TRUST TO THE COMMISSIONERS, NOTHING PERSONAL. CAN BE SAID AND NO ATTACKING INDIVIDUALS. IF YOU CANNOT COMPLY TO THOSE THEN YOU CAN LEAVE THE BOARDROOM. THOSE ARE THE RULES AND SO IF YOU DO O, IF YOU WOULD PLEASE, THEY ON THE BACK OF THE CARD YOU FILLED OUT. I WILL READ IT REAL QUICK. MR. HATE I WILL GET TO IN A SECOND. THE BOARD RESERVES THE RIGHT TO MAINTAIN ORDER AND CONDUCT A PROPER TO CORPSMAN THE BOARD ROOM DURING A MEETING. INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO THE FOLLOWING. MEMBERS OF THE AUDIENCE SHOULD REFRAIN FROM AUDIBLE COMMENTS, APPLAUSE, HAND GESTURES INCLUDING MOTIONING TO THE CAMERA, AUDIENCE MEMBERS DURING THE MEETING AND DURING PUBLIC COMMENT. WHEN SEATS ARE AVAILABLE WE ASK THAT YOU REMAIN SEATED AND REFRAIN FROM WALKING AROUND THE BOARD ROOM. WE ASK NO PERSON ADDRESS THE BOARD FOR PERSONAL AND PERTINENT SLANDEROUS REMARKS. NO UNCIVIL FUND RELIEVE BEHAVIOR AND ASK THAT HATS ARE REMOVED AND I DON'T SEE ANYTHING SO THAT'S A FINE THING. IT DOES SAY HERE FOR SPEAKER OR AUDIENCE MEMBER REFUSES TO ADHERE TO THESE GUIDELINES WE CAN REVOKE THE SPEAKERS PRIVILEGE AT THAT MEETING AND ANY FURTHER MEETINGS. WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE THAT HAPPEN. LET'S KEEP PROPER DECORUM. THANK YOU. MR. HATE EUROPE. AFTER YOU WE WILL HEAR FROM BARBARA KEMPER AND A GIRL. ANY GIRL. I APOLOGIZE. >> >>.[INAUDIBLE] [01:50:07] >> I'M SORRY. THE OTHER THING I LIKE TO TALK ABOUT IS A RECYCLE. EVEN AS A CHILD I COLLECTED NEWSPAPERS AND TOOK HIM TO A RECYCLED FACILITY AND THEY GAVE ME MONEY FOR THEM. IS THERE ANY PAYBACK COMING BACK FROM ANY OF THE RECYCLE MATERIALS? IF SO, WHERE'S THAT MONEY GOING? THOSE ARE MY 2 QUESTIONS THAT I DID ADDRESS MY JEANNE MOOS AND I LIKE TO HAVE ANSWERS FOR THAT. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU SIR. WE APPRECIATE IT. WE WILL GET ANSWERS TO ANY QUESTIONS AND THEN AT THE END WE WILL HAVE BUILT-IN TAKING NOTES AND HE CAN ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS. MS. COMPANY GREW? >> I THINK I BUTCHERED IT AGAIN. AFTER YOU IS YOUR HUSBAND. >> MY NAME IS BARBARA CAPRON EGO CLEARED UP AND IN CLAY COUNTY FOR 35 YEARS. SEEN A LOT OF CHANGES. I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT LITTLE. KNEW THEY WERE COMING 35 YEARS AGO. I'M NOT SURPRISED. WHEN I STARTED, WHEN I MOVED HERE WE WERE RESPONSIBLE FOR OUR GARBAGE WHICH WAS GREAT. THE COUNTY DECIDED FOR SOME REASON THAT SOME PEOPLE WEREN'T GREAT WITH OUR GARBAGE AND THEY NEEDED TO TAKE CONTROL. SO, THAT'S WHERE WE ARE TODAY. WELL, THIS IS MY EXAMPLE. MY EVIDENCE. THIS IS WHAT I FEEL IN ONE WEEK 13 GALLON BAG. THIS IS ALL I FEEL. I PAID $52 A YEAR TO DELIVER THIS AT ONE OF YOUR LOCATIONS. NOW, LAST YEAR THIS BAG COST ME 4 DOLLARS A WEEK. NOW TODAY WHICH YOU ARE PROPOSING IS GOING TO COST ME 9 DOLLARS A BAG. I'M ON THE FIXED INCOME. I DON'T THINK THAT THE COLA HAS WENT UP 48 PERCENT IN 17 YEARS. I WANT TO KNOW WHY IS THE COUNTY DOING SOMETHING THAT CAN BE PRIVATIZED AND LET SOMEBODY ELSE MANAGE AND WE WOULDN'T EVEN BE HERE TODAY. I CAN TAKE MINE TO THE COLLECTION CENTER. YOU ARE SOMEBODY THAT'S USING 5 CANS AND I'VE SEEN SOME ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD TAKING ADVANTAGE OF YOU GUYS. WHY AREN'T THEY PAYING WHAT THEIR SHARE IS? WHY DO WAIKATO PAY FOR THEIR SHARE? THAT'S MY QUESTION TO YOU. YOU KNOW? I DON'T GET IT. IN OTHER PLACES IT'S PRIVATIZED. YOU GO OUT AND YOU GET THE SERVICE FROM SOMEBODY. AS OUTLINED? >> NO. >> OKAY, MY QUESTION IS WHY CAN'T IT BE PRIVATIZED? WHY CAN'T WE GO PRIVATE? THE CABLE COMPANIES ARE. THEY ARE NOT GRIPING ABOUT WELL WE DON'T HAVE THIS KIND OF MONEY TO PAY BECAUSE YOU'RE GETTING THE SERVICE FOR $40 WHEN THAT SERVICE IS $70. I'S MY DECISION. ABOUT MY DECISION TO MATTER. ON HOW I AM AND HOW MY HOUSEHOLD IS RUN. I THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO ME. GENERALLY I THINK THE SENIOR CITIZENS I'VE PROBABLY SAID IT ALL. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU MA'AM. >> RENTAL COMPANY GROW AND THEN AFTER HIM IS ART HOOKER. >> MY NAME IS RON COMPANY GROW. I'M FROM MIDDLEBURG. TO FOLLOW UP WITH WHAT MY WIFE JUST SAID GETTING BACK TO THE 13 GALLON TRASH BAG. I BROKE THE NUMBERS DOWN A LITTLE BIT BETTER. UNDER THE CURRENT PROPOSAL OF BASICALLY ON THEM THEM TOGETHER IN FIRST, START OFF BY SAYING I THINK THE COUNTY DOES A REMARKABLE JOB OF THE AMOUNT OF TRASH PICKUP AND TAKE OUT OF OUR YARDS. THEY TRULY DO. WALK THE DOG EVERY DAY. ESPECIALLY ON TRASH DAY. I DO NOTICE A DIFFERENCE AS MY WIFE HAD SAID EARLIER. WE HAVE 113 GALLONS BAG A WEEK. YOU SEE MANY HOMES WITH 2 OR 3 TRASH CANS ABOUT THE SIZE OF THIS PODIUM HERE CHOCKED FULL OF TRASH BAGS. THAT'S JUST NOT RIGHT. I MEAN, THE TRASH IS THE TRASHY CREATE. IN THE $324 FOR THE 2 PROPOSALS PUT TOGETHER. THAT TURNS OUT TO $5.40 PER BAG FOR US. WE USE APPROXIMATELY 60 BANKS A YEAR. FOR PERSON THAT USES 4 BAGS OF [01:55:08] TRASH PER WEEK THEY PAY THE SAME BUT, THEY ARE ONLY PAYING A DOLLAR 55 A BAG. FOR THE PERSON THAT USES 5 BAGS OF TRASH A WEEK THERE COST IS NOW REDUCED TO A DOLLAR 24 BAG. I GUESS IT'S A LOT CHEAPER IF YOU CAUSE MORE TRASH, CORRECT? AGAIN, I HOPE SOME OF THIS COST INCREASE GOES TO THE POOR GUYS THAT HAVE TO WORK ON THESE TRUCKS AND PICK UP ALL THIS TRASH. IT IS A REMARKABLE AMOUNT OF TRASH. I LEARNED A COUPLE THINGS AND I RESPECT WHAT HE SAID ABOUT THE LAW OF THE OTHER, BETWEEN THE YARD DEBRIS AND PEOPLES REMODELING PROJECTS. WE DON'T WANT THAT GETTING BURNT IN THE BACKYARD, ROOF SHINGLES AND LIKE THAT. IT IS THE RIGHT THING. I'VE NOTICED IN OTHER PARTS OF THE COUNTRY, I'VE GOT TO BE QUICK. JUST POSSIBLY DROP A BUG IN YOUR EAR FOR A FUTURE I HEAR A NEW CONTRACT COMING UP NEXT YEAR. I KNOW FOR A FACT WASTE MANAGEMENT IS VERY FAMILAR I'VE PREVIOUSLY LIVED IN A TOWN YOU HAD TO BUY THE TOWN TRASH BAG. THERE ARE A BUCKET HALF AT THE GROCERY STORE. THAT'S HOW THEY PAID FOR THEIR TRASH FEE. NOT EVERYBODY PAYS THE SAME. YOU BY YOUR TRASH BAG SO THE GUY HAS 5 BAGS OF LEAGUE PIECES $7.50. I HAVE MY ONE BAG A WEEK I PAY MY DOLLAR 50. TO ME, THAT'S FAIR. HOW YOU WORK, AM I DONE? >> FINISHER THAT. >> I CERTAINLY DO SEE THE NEED FOR YOUR DEBRIS AND THAT. IT'S VERY CLEAR. I WALK MY DOG EVERY DAY. AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD, IT'S AMAZING. PEOPLE REMODEL THEIR BATHROOMS AND REMODEL THEIR KITCHEN AND PUT ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD FOR THEIR TRASH TO PICK UP. I WAS REMODELING CONTRACTOR, THERE WAS CUCKOO MARKING FROM. UNLESS IT FIT THE ORANGE BAG AND THEN YOU COULD PUT IT IN. >> THANK YOU SIR. WE APPRECIATE IT. >> THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. I THINK THE TRASH PEOPLE FOR THEIR SERVICE. IT'S A TOUGH JOB. >> YES, SIR, THANK YOU. ART HOOKER. THE NEXT BARBARA PROJECT. >> GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSIONERS. THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK. I KNOW IT'S BEEN FUN. I SPOKE WITH COUPLE OF YOU. I FOLLOW SOME OF YOU IN SOCIAL MEDIA. I UNDERSTAND THE 2023 RESENT THE PRICES. I DO UNDERSTAND THE ORIGIN OF THIS. WAS HERE IN 2006 AND WILL PBEFORE THE THING STARTED UP. WE WERE MANDATED OR WENT TO THE UNIVERSAL MODEL. I WILL SAME I HAVE ALSO HAD TRASH SERVICE UNDER THE SUBSCRIPTION MODEL. NOT TO LONG AGO IN A COUNTY ONE STATE OVER JUST SPOKE WITH SOMEBODY IN THE COUNTY IN TENNESSEE AS I PULLED UP TO THE PARKING OUT HERE. THEY HAVE THE SUBSCRIPTION MODEL. THEY'RE RUNNING $40 1/4. I DON'T KNOW WHY MARION COUNTY IS SO HIGH. UNDERSTAND THE NEED FOR THAT WITH THE EMERGENCY SERVICES. AFTER A STORM. I WASN'T AWARE OF THAT UNTIL I HEARD THE PRESENTATION. I GET THAT. AT THE SAME ME I COULD TELL YOU EVERYONE IN HERE IS FRUSTRATED BECAUSE OF ALL THE 2023 RESETS WE ARE GETTING. I KNOW THAT AFFECTS UTO. WITH THE GAS, GROCERIES, HEALTHCARE, INSURANCE, RIDICULOUS ROOFS TO KEEP HER INSURANCE. EVERYONE IS OVERWHELMED. I GET THAT. I THINK THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THAT WHAT YOU'RE DEALING WITH RIGHT NOW IS I HAVE CHOICES OVER THOSE. OF THE ABILITY TO COMPETITIVELY SHOCK MY GROCERIES MY GAS SERVICES. THE LASTGASP DISCOUNTS AND UTILIZE INCENTIVES TO MITIGATE SOMEBODY'S RISING COST. I HAVE NO SAY OVER THIS WHATSOEVER. THOSE SERVICES DON'T MEAN MY STANDARDS ARE THE STANDARDS THAT THEY PROMISED. I HAVE THE ABILITY TO GO BACK AND SEEK SOME TYPE OF COMPENSATION FROM THEM IN A REFUND OR CREDIT. I DO NOT HAVE THAT I WOULD HAVE THAT SINCE 2006. WE HAVE A MONOPOLY. EVENTS DISPOSAL BIN, WASTE MANAGEMENT, THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT ME OR YOU UNTIL IT'S TIME TO RENEW A CONTRACT. I CANNOT GET MONEY BACK FROM THEM WHEN THEY MISS MY SERVICE. APPRECIATE THE 3 DOLLARS YOU GIVE ME BACK IN 2021. THAT CHANGED MY LIFE. UNTIL YOU HAVE NOT GOTTEN ANY MONEY BACK FROM MISSED PICKUPS. EVERETT RECEIVED A DIME BACK WHEN I SAW HIM HOLD TO YELL AT HER KIDS BY GETTING DOG OF THE HOUSE WHERE [02:00:01] IT PEED ON THE FLOOR AND THEN SORRY WE MISSED YOUR PICKUP. I'LL TRY TO GET A MESSAGE TO A SUPERVISOR BUT PROBABLY ALSO SEE ANOTHER PICKUP UNTIL NEXT WEEK. THAT'S UNACCEPTABLE WHEN I'M PAYING FOR SERVICE. THE SUBSCRIPTION SERVICES, EVEN IF WE CAN'T USE IT HERE DESCRIBE YOUR HYBRID THAT WE CAN PLACE IN CLAY COUNTY WITH THE TRUNKS THAT HAVE THE ABILITY TO PICK UP THE CANS. THEY PROVIDE THE CANS INSTEAD PAY $90 ON PEOPLE TO HAVE ONE DESTROYED AFTER COUPLE OF WEEKS. WHO'S GONNA BE CHANGES. THIS COULD BE TEETH. IN A GONNA RAISE THE TAX OR FEE OR WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT. WHATEVER APPEARED IS NOTHING WE CAN DO ABOUT IT. YOU WILL HAVE TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THAT. PUT SOME TEETH IN WHATEVER CONTRACT IT WILL DEAL. BECAUSE TIRED OF THESE GUYS ASKING FOR MORE MONEY FOR US GIVING MORE MONEY AND WE HAVE NO SAY OVER THE QUALITY OF THEIR SERVICE. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU MR. HOOKER. BARBARA BARBARA AND AFTER HER IS TIMOTHY HENDRY. >> HELLO. I'M IN THE TOWN OF ORANGE PARK. WE HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THE GARBAGE COLLECTION. NOW THIS COULD BE ABOUT 39 60 A YEAR IT'S BILLED MONTHLY. I'M SPEAKING ABOUT THE SOLID WASTE DISPOSAL FEE. IN THE ORDINANCE THAT YOU HAVE AND SAYS WHEREAS THE IMPOSITION OF A SOLID WASTE DISPOSAL ASSESSMENT EACH PHYSICAL GOLD GEAR AND EQUITABLE AND EFFICIENT METHOD OF ALLOCATED IMPORTUNING SOLID WASTE DISPOSAL COST. IT GOES ON TO JUST TALK ABOUT HOW YOU DO THAT. WHAT I PROPOSE IS A SOLUTION TO A LOT OF THE REASONS THAT PEOPLE ARE HERE. WHEN WE HAVE OUR REGULAR AD VALOREM PROPERTY TAX WHICH PROBABLY EVERYONE IN HERE IS PAIN. WE HAVE THE TOP LINE IS C100, CLAY COUNTY BOC C. WHAT WE DO IS WE HAVE ALL THESE LAWFULLY REDUCTIONS ALLOWED LIKE HOMESTEAD, INCOME, HOW LONG YOU'VE LIVED THERE AND A BUNCH OF VETERAN STATUSES. THINGS LIKE THAT. THEY ARE IN THERE ALREADY. IT'S ALREADY BEING COMPUTED. AN EXAMPLE, I WOULD LIKE THIS BOARD TO MODIFY HOW YOUR COMPUTING THE ASSESSMENTS ON ALL THE PEOPLE. IT WOULD BE DIFFERENT, IT WOULD BE FAIRER AND IT WOULD BE MORE EFFICIENT. THAT IS USE WHAT THE PROPERTY, THIS IS A FORM. THE PARTY APPLIED FOR THOSE THAT WE KNOW OF. I THINK MOST OF THE PEOPLE IN HERE ARE HEARING FOR THE FIRST TIME THAT THERE ARE WAYS TO GET THIS REDUCED OR ELIMINATED. BUT, WE ALREADY HAVE THE ONES THAT SEEM TO BE FAIR TO PEOPLE. AN EXAMPLE WOULD BE IF YOU WERE LIVING IN $100,000 HOUSE AND DUE TO THESE HOMESTEAD ETC., LOW INCOME IS NOW DOWN TO 25,000. THE REDUCTION IS 75 PERCENT. DO THAT ON THE NON-AD VALOREM FEES THAT YOU IMPOSE ALSO. THEN AS AN EXAMPLE, A 500,000 DOLLHOUSE. MAYBE THEY'VE LIVED THERE FOR YEARS OF THE GET HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION. THEN IT'S DOWN TO 475,000. SO, THEY HAE A 5 PERCENT REDUCTION. WHAT THIS SAVES US AS IT ALLOCATES ON INCOME IT DOESN'T HANDLE THE TRASHBAGS WHICH I THOUGHT WAS A GREAT IDEA. IT WOULD BE AUTOMATIC. RIGHT NOW WE ALL KNOW HOW TO GET A HOMESTEAD MAY BE GOING WITH YOUR INCOME TO TRY TO GET YOUR PROPERTY TAXES DOWN. THEY HAVE A WHOLE ANOTHER SYSTEM WITH A WHOLE ANOTHER SET OF CRITERIA DOESN'T HAVE TO HAPPEN. WHERE I DON'T HAVE TO SUDDENLY FILL OUT THE FORMS WHEN WERE POOR ENOUGH. I THINK THIS IS A PROPOSAL TO HAVE YOU CHANGE THE METHOD OF ANY AND ALL NOT AD VALOREM FEES. THE FEES ARE KILLING US. >> THANK YOU. WE HAVE TIMOTHY HENDRY AND AFTER HIM IS JEFF EKHOLM. >> I OWN 4 ACRES CLAY HILL. >> MR. HENDRY, CAN YOU? >> I OWN 4 ACRES OF CLAY HILL. THOSE ACRES ARE ATTACHED. THEY ARE KIND OF SUBDIVIDED. NOT ONLY ONE INCREASE IN TAXES COMING TO ME BUT, 2. MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ME. THOSE TAXES ARE LIKE YOU ELOQUENTLY REFER TO THEM AS FEES. COME UP TO $648. I KNOW THAT DOESN'T SOUND RIGHT. THERE'S ANYTHING I KNOW ABOUT GOVERNMENT IT SAYS IN THIS LETTER I RECEIVED THAT WELL, ONE OF MY PARCELS WHICH IS 3 ACRES IS GOING TO GO UP TO $504 POTENTIALLY AFTER 2024. WHICH I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT IT [02:05:05] WILL DO. IF YOU LET THE FOX CONTROL THE HENHOUSE. I THINK SHOULD HAPPEN IS PEOPLE HAVE THE RIGHT TO PICK AND CHOOSE WHAT TYPE OF TRASH SERVICE THAT THEY WANT AND THAT WILL DRIVE PEOPLE TO BE COMPETITIVE. THAT'S THE BEAUTY OF CAPITALISM. THE BULL DRIVE COST DOWN IN A LOT OF WAYS. IT'S MY OPINION THESE FEES ARE ABSOLUTELY A TAX. IT'S LEVERAGED AGAINST THE PROPERTY THAT THE PEOPLE ARE ON. BUT I DON'T LIKE TO HEAR ABOUT WHAT I DON'T WANT TO SEE HIS CLAY COUNTY'S FINEST AFTER ALL THE RED TAPE AND THE HOOPS ARE JUMP THROUGH COIN OVER AND SAME, SORRY GRANDMA, MOVE IT OR LOSE IT BUT YOU CAN'T STAY HERE. THE CANNOT AFFORD THE TAXES BECAUSE THEY ARE LIVING ON FIXED INCOMES AND THEY CAN'T DO NOTHING ABOUT THAT. THAT IS AN ABSOLUTE DISGRACE. YOU GOT I RIGHT. WHAT I'M THINKING IS WHEN I WAS YOUNGER I WAS IN CHARGE OF PICKING UP SOME OF THE OLDER FOLKS WAS TRASH IN THE AREA. TAKING IT TO THE DUMP. WE TAKE THE ABILITY OF THE COMMUNITY TO BE A COMMUNITY AND HELP EACH OTHER BY MANDATING OR BASICALLY TURNING IT OVER TO THE MAFIA AND GIVEN YOU ALLSOUL POWERS AND TUTORIAL SHIPS OVER OUR LIVES AND OUR PROPERTY. YOU OWN NOTHING IN AMERICA ANYMORE. NOTHING. YOU DON'T ON YOUR TRUCK, IF YOU THINK SO ASK HIM IF HE COULD DRIVE WITHOUT A LICENSE OR TIGER INSURANCE. YOU DON'T OWN YOUR PROPERTY. YOU MERELY RENTED. THE RENT IS GOING UP. MY COST $300 FOR AND A HALF A BUGGY LOAD OF GROCERIES. THAT'S ABSOLUTELY UNACCEPTABLE. TO EVEN GET THIS PIECE OF PAPER FOR WHAT COULD AMOUNT TO A 648 DOLLARS FEE ON MY TAXES FOR 2024 IS UNACCEPTABLE. I THINK THERE'S A BETTER WAY. THERE'S A LOT OF BRIGHT MINDS OUT THERE. I WILL TELL YOU I PASSED A DUMP STATION WHICH I'VE USED BECAUSE I WAS BORN AND RAISED RIGHT HERE IN CLAY COUNTY. I PASS IT EVERY DAY ON THE DAILY. I COULD DROP MY OWN TRASH OFF. 60 PERCENT IS COMMERCIAL WASTE PROBLEMS FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND. WE HAVE A TON OF PEOPLE MOVING INTO THIS COUNTY FROM OUTSIDE OF THIS COUNTY. UNDERSTAND THERE'S A BIG STEAMROLLER WE CALL PROGRESS. I THINK SLAMMING A WRECKING BALL INTO ALL THE PEOPLE THAT CANNOT AFFORD IT AND CANNOT DO FOR THEMSELVES IS ABSOLUTELY UNACCEPTABLE. I THINK TO DRIVE COMPETITION, WE NEED TO TURN THIS BACK OVER TO THE PEOPLE TO MAKE THEIR OWN DECISIONS ON WASTE MANAGEMENT. Y'ALL HAVE A GREAT NIGHT. >> THANK YOU MR. HENDRY. JILL FELL COME IN AFTER HIM AS THOMAS BRAINSTORM RON STORE. I APOLOGIZE. >> GOOD EVENING. I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. NUMBER ONE, HAVE THEY CONSIDERED INSTEAD OF PICKING UP YARD WASTE EVERY WEEK AND THE RECYCLE EVERY WEEK. MAYBE ONE WEEK YOU PICK UP RECYCLE. NEXT WEEK YOU PICK UP YARD WASTE. EVERY OTHER WEEK. THAT'S ONE TRUCK OUT OF THE AREA YOU WON'T HAVE TO UTILIZE. IT WOULD SAVE MONEY. THESE COMPANIES, WHAT CAN WE DO ABOUT THEM WHEN THEY DUMP IT? TO 3 CANS OF THE STREET, TO GET HIT BY CARS. THEN THEY LEAVE THE TRASH. FALLS ON THE ROAD, THEN I'LL PICK IT UP. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE, READS THE FEES UNDERSTAND. NOT SO HIGH, IT MAY BE CUT BACK ON YARD WASTE. SO THE YARD WASTE TRUCK GO THROUGH MY YOU NEIGHBORHOOD AND IT'S NOT STOPPING BECAUSE THERE'S NO YARD WASTE. RECYCLE, IT SITS THERE ALL DAY LONG. THEY COULD ALWAYS PICK UP A LOT FASTER. IT WOULD SAVE THE COUNTING A LOT MORE MONEY. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. >> THANK YOU SIR WE APPRECIATE IT. MR. BROWN STORE. AFTER HINN MR. ADAM. >> MY NAME IS TOM BROWN STORE FOR MIDDLEBURG. . I WAS GONNA TALK ABOUT JOHN'S ROUND SHARE. SEVERAL YEARS AGO WHEN HE CAME IN HEREAND HE WAS USHING A TRASH COMPANY THAT HE WAS A LOBBYIST OR HE WAS ALSO PUSHING TO HAVE IT PUT UNDER COUNTY TAX BILL. IT WASN'T ON THERE BEFORE THAT. HE WAS AN EXPERIENCED LEGISLATOR AND ADJUSTS GOT OUT OF THE SENATE ONLY LOST A COUNTY COMMISSIONER, JEB BUSH REPLACED HER COUNTY COMMISSIONER WITH JOHN THRASHER. WHEN IT CAME IN HERE YOU THOUGHT HE WAS A GOD. THE COMMISSIONERS WERE SO EXPERIENCE HAVING THIS [02:10:05] EXPERIENCE LEGISLATOR IN THEIR. WHAT THEY DIDN'T KNOW SHE HAD A LOBBYING BUSINESS CALLED SOUTHERN SOLUTIONS IN ONE OF HIS CUSTOMERS WAS A TRASH COMPANY. FIRST THING HE BROUGHT UP WAS THAT, LET'S HAVE THEM COME IN AND BE OUR TRASH COMPANY. THEN PUT THE BILL ON THE COUNTER HAVE TO PAY AS SOON AS HE GOT THAT BILL PASSED HE QUIT. HE RESIGNED FROM THE COMMISSION. HE WAS HERE LESS THAN A MONTH. HE GOT THIS CUSTOMER APPROVED AS A NEW TRASH HAULER. THAT'S MOSTLY WHAT I WANTED TO SAY. THESE GUYS WE HAVE NO ARE BY FAR THE WORST ON THE SERVICE. THE DRIVE-BY. I PUT OUT A COUPLE BARRELS NEW DRIVE-BY AND SMILE AT YOU AS ARE NOT STOPPING. I DON'T KNOW HOW IT IS THE REST THE COUNTY. WE DIDN'T HAVE IN THE UNINCORPORATED AREAS WE PAY AN INDIVIDUAL TRASH MAN 44 BUCKS. THAT WAS OUR TRASH PICKUP COST OF THE YEAR. LIKE THESE OTHER PEOPLE I USED A 13 GALLON TRASHCAN AND IT'S MOSTLY MY POTATO FEELINGS AND COFFEE GROUNDS. I PUT IT ON EVERY 2 OR 3 WEEKS. WHATEVER HE WAS CHARGING FOR THAT THAT'S WHAT I WAS PAYING FOR THIS 13 GALLON G WHEN I WORKED ON N HIGHWAY 301 I WENT PAST A TRASH PICKUP AMINO TRASH DROP OFF STATION I WOULD SHOW THEM MY LITTLE BAG AND THAT WAS IT. IT'S KIND OF DISGUSTING TO PAY 300 BUCKS. >> YES SIR THANK YOU WE APPRECIATE YOU COMING TONIGHT. MR. ADAM? >> HEY GUYS, HOW'S EVERYONE DOING EVERYTHING HAS BEEN SAID. TAXES COME EXCELLENT IDEA. REALLY WHAT I WANT TO GET INTO IS THE PRICES THE PEOPLE OR THE AMOUNTS OF PEOPLE GET PAID. THE TRASH COLLECTORS THEY MAKE UP TO $40,000 A YEAR WHICH IS A FAIR RATE THEY DESERVE MORE. PLOVE THE IDEA OF GETTING NEW TRUNKS. WHENEVER I WAS GROWING UP THE TRUCKS WITH THE HYDRAULIC LIFTS ON THE BACK WHERE YOU ROLL THE CART UP THERE. AND YES, OUR CANS HAVE BEEN DESTROYED BY PEOPLE THROWING THEM AROUND. THEY'RE SO DISRESPECTFUL. I GOT A GUY FIRED FOR THAT. ALSO, SORRY. THE CEO IS MAKING 14 MILLION, $14.8 MILLION A YEAR. MAYBE HE COULD PICK THIS UP. ALSO PUBLIC SERVICES JUST BOUGHT OUT 3RD OF THE SHARES OF WASTE MANAGEMENT, YOUR WASTE MANAGEMENT SIR? >> KNOW HE WORKS FOR THE COUNTY. ADDRESSES PLAYS. >> SORRY. THIS RUN-THROUGH WASTE MANAGEMENT RIGHT? >> THAT'S WHO ARE CURRENT CONTRACTORS, YES. >> BILL GATES JUST BOUGHT 3RD OF IT. THAT'S ABOUT IT. YOU GUYS HAVE A BEAUTIFUL NIGHT. >> THANK YOU SIR WE APPRECIATED. >> SONJA CRUZ? MS. CRUZ? ARE YOU MS. CRUZ? OH, OKAY I WILL WAIT FOR HER. I WILL COME BACK TO HER. CARMINE MARTINEZ BULLOCK? AFTER MS. BULLOCK IS PAUL STERN. >> HELLO A RESIDENT OF RIDGECREST COMMUNITY. LIKE EVERYONE ELSE HAS EXPRESSED. I THINK THIS IS SUCH A BAD TIME TO BE ADDING TAXES TO EVERYTHING ELSE THAT'S GOING OUT. I'M PAYING NOW OVER $300 MORE A MONTH FOR MY HOME OWNERS INSURANCE THROUGH NO FAULT OF MY OWN. BECAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE WERE COMMITTING FRAUD, ONE SHINGLE CAME OFF, LET'S REPLACE THE WHOLE ROOF. SO THE [02:15:04] REST OF US HAVE TO PAY FOR THAT MY INSURANCE CANCELED EVERYTHING IN MY COMMUNITY. AND TO GO SHOPPING AROUND TO PFIND HOMEOWNERS INSURANCE THAT IS PART OF MY ESCROW. IT'S GONNA COST ME $300. I AM FORTUNATE ENOUGH THAT I HAD A GOOD GOVERNMENT JOB AND I HAVE A GOOD PENSION. LOTTA PEOPLE HERE THAT EXPRESSED SENIOR CITIZENS THAT ARE BARELY MAKING IT, I JUST DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW PEOPLE GO TO WALMART ANYMORE. IT'S RIDICULOUS THE AMOUNT OF MONEY MY HUSBAND AND I SPENT. IT'S JUST THE 2 OF US. EVERY TIME A GOVERNMENT MARTIN, $200. WHAT WE BUY IT? THE OTHER POINT I WANTED TO MAKE, I THINK THAT THIS COUNTRY AND THIS COUNTY NEEDS TO REALLY LOOK AT HOW RECYCLING GETS TAKEN CARE OF OVERSEAS. I LIVED IN GERMANY. I HATE THAT THEY'RE SO STRICT. LET ME TELL YOU APPEARED TO HAVE A SYSTEM IN THERE. THEY HAVE THESE HUGE BENDS THE PEOPLE GOING DROP THE CLASS, THEIR PAPER, THEIR CARDBOARD, THEIR METAL. YOU DON'T HAVE ALL THESE TRUCKS GOING AROUND SPENDING HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS IN COUNSELING THAT NOW SOMETIMES THEY RELEASE THE GAS AND SOMETIMES WE DON'T. WHO PAYS FOR IT? WE DO. I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE AWAY TO TAKE A LOOK AT THIS. WHAT MORE EFFICIENT WAYS AND KINDER TO THE ENVIRONMENT TO GET RID OF OUR RECYCLING? WE RECYCLE A LOT. THE OTHER POINT I WANTED TO MAKE, WHEN THE PANDEMIC AND THE SERVICE STOP FOR RECYCLING, MY HUSBAND AND I LIKE A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE TOOK A TRIP TO FLEMING ISLAND THAT WAS 8 MILES, 16 MILES A WEEK. NOBODY SENT ME A LETTER SAYING, WE WOULD LIKE TO REDUCE YOUR TAX BILL BY WHATEVER HUNDREDS OF DOLLARS ARE SPENT ON COUNSELING. MY HUSBAND AND I TO DROP OUR RECYCLING. IT'S ALWAYS LIKE TAKE, TAKE BUT NO GIVING BACK TO YOUR TAX PAYERS THAT ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR KEEPING THIS GOVERNMENT GOING. IT'S RIDICULOUS HOW I'M NOT ONE TO TAKE MY TRASH ANYWHERE. I'LL TELL YOU THAT. I'M NOT GONNA DO THAT. I APPRECIATE PEOPLE COLLECTING IT. LIKE A LOT OF PEOPLE EXPRESSED. SOME OF THE COLLECTORS ARE REALLY GOOD. MOST OF THEM ARE NOT. THEY JUST LEAVE THE ACCOUNTS OF WHATEVER IN THE MIDDLE-OF-THE-ROAD. >> THANK YOU. >> THEY BOUNCE THE STUFF AND KEEP IT MOVING. ANYWAY. I WANTED TO KNOW, HOW LONG IS THIS GOING TO BE AND HOW MUCH IS IT REALLY GOING TO BE A YEAR FOR PEOPLE? IS IT GOOD TO BE A SEPARATE BILL ON CLINIC AT OR WHAT? >> OKAY, THANK YOU MA'AM. >> IT'S ON YOUR PROPERTY TAX BILL. IT'S ON A SEPARATE BILL. IT'S ON THERE. IT JUST LISTED SEPARATELY. WE WILL HAVE QUESTIONS ANSWERED AT THE END. >> I HOPE YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AND ALL THE COMMENTS THAT PEOPLE HAVE MADE. THERE MORE EFFICIENT WAYS TO GET RID OF OUR RECYCLING. >> THANK YOU MA'AM. >> REV PAUL STERN AND THEN AFTER HIM IS DAN RUTA VIC. I'M SORRY IF I PRONOUNCE THAT BADLY. . >> THANK YOUOU PAUL STERN ON FROM KEYSTONE HEIGHTS ON BROOKLYN BAY ROAD. AD. MY CONCERNSARE ON THE SERVICES SIDE. I WON'T GO THROUGH ALL MY I THANK YOU'VE HEARD ENOUGH OF THOSE CREDIT CONCERNS IT'S MOSTLY WITH A YARD WASTE AND THE WEIGHTS COLLECTED BUT HOW IT'S COLLECTED AND NEVER HAVE A CHOICE. THEY TELL ME IF LEFT TO MUCH OUT THERE, THAT'S THE END OF IT. NO OTHER YARD WASTE ON THE ROAD, THEY COULD TAKE UP A LITTLE EXTRA. THAT'S ESSENTIALLY IT IN A NUTSHELL. AND THEN, TO SORT OF FOLLOW ON WHAT OTHER PEOPLE SAY. IN TERMS OF GARBAGE I CAN PUT OUT AS MANY GARBAGE CANS AS THEY WANT. PEOPLE DO ON MY STREET. I THINK THAT'S RIDICULOUS. THERE SHOULD BE SOME LIMITS. AGAIN, FOR NEGOTIATING A NEW CONTRACT THERE ARE LOTS OF WAYS TO MAKE PEOPLE RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO DO ON THEIR SIDE OF THE CONTRACT. I SHOULDN'T FEEL LIKE I'M WORK FOR WASTE MANAGEMENT. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. WE APPRECIATE IT. MR. RETTA VIC? >> AFTER HIM IS JAKE, I CAN'T READ YOUR WRITING FOR MUSTANG. JAKE, YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE AND [02:20:01] WE WILL CALL YOU UP. PLEASE TELL ME HOW TO PRONOUNCE YOUR LAST NAME. I BUTCHERED IT. >> DAN RUTA VEG. IT'S AMERICANIZED. THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY. I REALLY ENJOYED YOU AND EVERYBODY IN AGREEMENT WITH A LOT OF THAT STUFF. THAT'S A VERY GOOD COMMENTS. THANK YOU ALL FOR COMING. I WANT TO SAY IN 2005 I HAD WASTE SERVICES. I PAID $31 FOR HUNDRED $26 YEAR BILL. 2006 WAS HUNDRED $33.92. THE 5.8 PERCENT INCREASE. THE COUNTY DECIDED TO TAKE IT OVER. AND THERE ONE IN 64 PERCENT INCREASE, 64.3 INCREASE FOR THE FOLLOWING YEAR. I TOOK THIS OFF MY INFORMATION FROM MY REGISTERS AND STUFF LIKE THAT MY BILLS. THAT'S ALL I GOT TO GO BUYS WHAT CAME OUT OF MY POCKET. YES THERE WERE SOME INCREASES AND SOME DECREASES OVER THE YEARS. THEN RIGHT NOW WHAT YOU'RE ASKING TO DO IS A 65 PERCENT INCREASE ON THE SOLID WASTE COLLECTION, AND I WENT WITH ONE $38 AND I GOT CHARGED LAST YEAR FOR SOLID WASTE COLLECTION. I UNDERSTAND IT'S ONE $61. WILL BE LOW BUT LESS OVERALL AND CAME UP WITH 54 PERCENT INCREASE. FOR THIS UPCOMING YEAR. THAT'S HUGE. INFLATION HAS STOPPED, SPEND LESS THAN 3 PERCENT YEAR-TO-YEAR IN THE LAST 20 YEARS. GRANTED LAST YEAR WAS 8 PERCENT WE ALL GOT A LITTLE BIT EXTRA ON OUR RETIREMENT BUT, THIS KIND OF INCREASES RIDICULOUS. I DON'T KNOW WHERE THIS IS COMING FROM. I THINK THAT YOUNG MAN WAS IN HERE EARLIER, THE VICE PRESIDENT MAKES MILLIONS OF DOLLARS, MAYBE THEY NEED TO LOOK AT THAT RIGHT THERE. THEN, YOU'RE PROPOSING TO DO ANOTHER INCREASE IN THE UPCOMING FISCAL YEARS? AND BRING THAT UP TO $640. IT'S OVER 200 PERCENT INCREASE. I MEAN, THAT'S BEYOND BELIEF. I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON. MAYBE WE NEED LOOK AT HOW HER MAGIC THINGS. MAYBE GIVE THE GARBAGE COLLECTION PEOPLE, WASTE SERVICES SOME INCENTIVE TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT. MAYBE THEY CAN MAKE IT CHEAPER. YES WHEN I SEE THESE GUYS COME AROUND TO WORK IF I WAS ONE OF THOSE GUYS ARE SAY FORGET IT NOT DOING IT THE WAY SOME OF THE PEOPLE PUT THEIR TRASH ON THE CURB. MAYBE THEY SHOULD CURTAIL THAT. OTHER CITIES IN OTHER PLACES DO IT. HERE THEY DON'T THEY JUST TOSS IT OUT THERE. WE'VE THAT'S WHY THE CHARGER SO MUCH. THAT SOMETHING COUNTY COULD DO AND ENFORCE HOW PEOPLE PUT THEIR TRASH OUT TO MAKE IT CHEAPER FOR THE GUYS TO PICK IT UP. 20 PERCENT INCREASE IN THE UPCOMING I PRESUME THAT'S PROBABLY WHAT HAPPENED OVER THE NEXT 5 YEARS. THAT'S A HUGE AMOUNT OF MONEY. MY WIFE AND I WE GENERATE ONE TRASHCAN A WEEK. A TOTAL OF RECYCLES. THAT'S PREMATURE AT. OCCASIONALLY MAYBE ANOTHER ONE FROM DOING CLEANUP. MIKE OF HER TEAR BEFORE THEIR PEOPLE TO GENERATE A BUNCH OF TRASH. MAYBE CONSIDER LOOKING AT WHO'S GENERATING ON THE TRASH. THIS WAS ALL BASED ON RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITIES THAT I LIVED IN A RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY, I DON'T. I THEN INDUSTRIAL PARK. I SENT COMMISSIONER COMP I TO DO A FEW OTHER PEOPLE. MAYBE WE NEED LOOK AT ALL THE BUSINESSES THAT ARE BEING OPERATED OUT OF THESE COMMITTEES THAT GENERATE A LOT OF TRASH. MAYBE LOOK AT THOSE BUSINESSES FROM HOME OR HOME BUSINESSES. IT'S NOT AN OFFICE OR SOMEONE DOES IT. VARIOUS SERVICE INDUSTRIES, AUTO REPAIRS, CONSTRUCTION, AND SO FORTH. LOOK AT THAT AS AN EXTRA SOURCE OF INCOME. DO NOT TRY TO HIT EVERYBODY ELSE WITH A 200 PERCENT INCREASE RIGHT NOW. THAT'S AN AWFUL LOT. >> THANK YOU. WE APPRECIATE IT. >> MR. JAKE, STARTS WITH ANY. I APOLOGIZE AFTER BEV JANICE SCHRADER. LOOKS GOOD EVENING. I'M PREPARED TO TALK ABOUT EVERYTHING ELSE IS. ONLY DIFFERENCE IS THERE'S A COLLECTION POINT OF A MILE FROM HOUSE YOU ASKED ME TO SPEND $220 TAUGHT CARRIE TO THE POINT. MARCH 2006 I THREW THE BIGGER TRAP AND GOT RID OF IT. I HAVE TO PAY TO HAVE SOME ELSE DO IT. THE SERVICE IS TERRIBLE. IF YOU CHECK MY ADDRESS AGAINST COMPLAINTS YOU'LL SEE A COLD 6 OR 7 TIMES A YEAR. RECYCLABLES ARE JOKE. IT SETS OUT THERE SO IT'S OUT THERE IN THE GRASS IS DEAD. LOW BOLD THE DATA PICK UP THE GARBAGE RECYCLES DISAPPEAR. DON'T TELL ME THEY ARE RECYCLING. IT'S GOING TO THE DUMP LIKE EVERYTHING ELSE. THERE AGAIN, WE GOTTA DO SOMETHING BETTER. THE EXPENSES ARE GOING UP. >> THANK YOU SIR. WE APPRECIATE YOU COMING. DENNIS SCHRADER THEN AFTER HIM AND [02:25:12] STERLING SHEIKS. >> THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY. MY FIRST TIME COMING HERE. MILITARY DECIDED TO SET ME DOWN HERE IN DECEMBER 1997. BEEN HERE EVER SINCE IN MIDDLEBORO FLORIDA. 2 THINGS, 1, I'M NOT SURE WHO'S PAYING FOR IT, THE GAS OR DIESEL FOR THESE VEHICLES. IS IT CLAY COUNTY PAYING FOR PART OF IT? IF IT IS MY QUESTION IS WHY CAN'T THEY DO WITH USED TO DO AND GO FROM SIDE TO SIDE? I HEAR OH, THAT'S A HAZARD. YOU KNOW WHAT I SEE KIDS EVERY DAY CROSSING STREETS, YOU START TAKING HALF THE DRIVING DISTANCE OF THIS YOU NOT TO PAY AS MUCH. THE OTHER THING IS BECAUSE IT'S LIKE TODAY, I WENT OUT, GARBAGE HAD BEEN PICKED UP. I REALIZED I HAD SOMETHING IN THE HOUSE AND WENT BACK OUT AND IT HAD BEEN PICKED OUT. NOT A PROBLEM, I WALK ACROSS THE STREET TO MY NEIGHBORS CAN DROP IT IN THERE BECAUSE WERE GOOD FRIENDS. THERE GOES. IF THEY WERE ONLY HAVING TO DO ONE SIDE AND UNDERSTAND WON'T BE ABLE TO DRIVE DOWN 17 TO BOTH SIDES. BACK WHEN YOU GET IN ALL THESE LITTLE COMMUNITIES YOU HAVE 2 GUYS BACK THERE GOING FROM HERE TO THERE ONE GUY GOING HERE TO THERE. IT WOULD MAKE IT A LOT QUICKER AND COST A WHOLE LOT LESS. THE OTHER THING THAT'S BEEN PARTIALLY DISCUSSED IS THE WASTE PICKUP. I WENT FOR 4 WEEKS, IT TOOK THAT LONG FOR THEM TO DECIDE OKAY THE OLD MAN IS GOING TO LEAVE IT OUT HERE UNTIL WE PICK IT UP. I HAD A TREE GO DOWN IN THE EMPTY LOT NEXT TO ME. I BLOCKED MY DRIVEWAY. I TURNED 70 AT THE END OF THIS MONTH. I MANAGED TO PICK ALL THAT STUFF UP AND STACK IT UP NICELY BECAUSE I LIKE TO STOCK IT NICELY BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE WITH FIREPLACES THAT WILL COE BY AND PICK IT UP. IT EVEN SAID HEY, YOU NEED HELP LOADING NOT? THE THING IS A MAN TO GET RID OF IT EVEN IF I HAVE TO LEAVE IT SITTING OUT FOR MONTH. I PAY FOR IT. I EXPECTED TO BE DONE. I SEE MIKE TIMES ABOUT OUT. I THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> THANK YOU SIR AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE. DARLENE SHEIKS. AFTER HER IS RICHARD HOLLAND. >> I FEEL LIKE I'M AT THE WRONG MEETING. ANYWAYS. I WANT TO BRING UP THE ROADS. I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO PICK THEM UP WITHOUT ROADS ARE ALL TORE UP. I HAVE PICTURES OF MY ROADS. I WANT TO PIECES PREPPING KEYSTONE. THEY ARE FLOODED OUT. CAN'T GET IN OR OUT. I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT PORTION OF THE MONEY TRASH TRUCKS GO UP AND DOWN, I'M NOT SAYING THERE THE LIMITS OF TEAR OF THE ROAD. IS THERE PERCENT THAT WERE PAYING ON, THE TRASH TAX THAT GO FOR THE ROADS? THAT'S ONE OF MY CONCERNS. I HAVE PICTURES IF YOU NEED THEM. IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS? THAT'S ABOUT IT. >> THANK YOU, WHAT IS YOUR ROOM? IT'S NOT LISTED ON HERE. >> ONE OF THEM IS ROSEMONT. >> THANK YOU. THE GARBAGE TRUCKS GET STUCK ON BAYLOR, DON'T THEY? > RICHARD HOLLAND THEN AFTER HIM IS FRANK SEDONA. >> SHE OWNS A HOUSE ACTUALLY LIVED THERE. I'M THE RESIDENT OF BAYLOR AVENUE. WE HAVE CALLED THE COUNTY BEFORE. THEY TOLD US THERE'S NOTHING THAT THEY CAN DO ABOUT OUR ROAD BECAUSE IT'S A PRIVATE ROAD. HOWEVER, WE'VE HAD MAIL ON THE ROAD WHICH IS FEDERAL. WE HAVE THE GARBAGE THAT RUNS THAT ROAD WHICH IS COUNTY. THE DEPUTY SHERIFFS AROUND THAT ROAD ALL HOURS OF THE NIGHT WHICH IS COUNTY. IF IT IS A PRIVATE ROOM NOBODY SHOULD BE RUNNING THAT ROAD. FOR THE GARBAGE TRUCK TO COME AND GET STUCK RIGHT IN FRONT OF OUR HOUSE AND [02:30:10] THEN LOCK UP THE WHOLE DRIVEWAY, NOBODY CAN LEAVE. WE CAN'T GET OUR KIDS TO SCHOOL. SOMETIMES I CAN'T LEAVE FOR WORK ON TIME. SO I WILL GET DISCIPLINED AT WORK. SOMETHING HAS TO BE DONE ABOUT THE ROOM. EVEN THE GARBAGE MAN, I WILL RUN AND ASK HIM ABOUT HOW HE FEELS ABOUT IT. THEY WILL TELL US THAT SOON THEY WON'T EVEN GET THE TRUCK DOWN THERE. THEY WON'T EVEN ATTEMPT TO COME DOWN THERE TO GET OUR TRASH ANYMORE. HOW IS IT FAIR THAT THE RESIDENTS OF THESE ROADS THAT ARE CONSIDERED PRIVATE WERE JUST GOING TO BE OUT. WE CAN EVEN OPT OUT OF THIS FEE. THAT'S MY QUESTION. I WANT TO KNOW HOW IS ALL THIS FAIR? WE'VE ACCUMULATED UP TO $16,000 OF CAR DAMAGE DUE TO TE ROAD. IF THIS IS CAUSING $16,000 OF CAR DAMAGE OF OUR CARS WHAT CLIMATE DAMAGE IS IT CAUSING TO THE GARBAGE TRUCKS? WHAT KIND OF MONEY CAN BE SAVED ON MAINTENANCE COST GARBAGE TRUCKS VERSUS LET'S TAX THE PEOPLE SO WE CAN AFFORD TO FIX OUR TRUCKS THAT DON'T NEED TO BE BROKEN. THAT'S ALL I GOT TO SAY. >> THANK YOU SIR, WE APPRECIATE COMING TONIGHT. FRANK SEDONA. >> FRANK SEDONA FROM ORANGE PARK. THE SENIOR CITIZEN IN A FIXED INCOME. RAISING THE RATES, THE DISPOSALS 33 PERCENT IN THE COLLECTION IS 42 PERCENT. I GET UP 4 PERCENT COST-OF-LIVING RAISE. IT'S A HARDSHIP. ALSO, HAVE YOU CONSIDERED, PROBABLY IN THE NEXT YEAR OR SO YOU 5000 MORE HOMES IN CLAY COUNTY IF NOT MORE THAN OUT. ARE THEY INCLUDED IN THIS ASSESSMENT? >> YES. >> THE LAST THING I HAVE MAXIMUM FOR FUTURE RATES WILL REQUIRE ANOTHER VOTE BY COMMISSIONERS. THAT SEEMS LIKE AN EASY THING TO DO. INSTALL LIKE NO, YOU'VE GOT TO DO ANOTHER VOTE TO INCREASE. WHEN GARBAGE STARTS PILING UP AND WILL BE AN EASY. >> THANK YOU SERVE. BOWEN ALINA. A. >> HI. MAYBE WHAT I'M SAYINGI CAME IN LATE AND MAYBE THIS WAS SAID RE. >> BRING THE MIC DOWN. > SHORT PEOPLE. >> SENIORS DON'T PRODUCE THAT MUCH RUBBISH. THEY'RE GETTING TAX AND ON A FIXED INCOME. THINK ABOUT THAT. IF THAT THEY MIGHT HAVE ONE PAPER BAG IF THAT. ANOTHER THING IS I'VE COME TO NOTICE WHEN THEY COME DOWN MY ROUTE AND TRY TO DO VERY NEATLY, I'M OCD I DO KNOW THAT. I'M CUT MY BOXES, STACK OF UPTIME UP. THEY WON'T TAKE HIM. THEY HAVE TO GO ON THE BENDS. WE HAVE A LOT OF CARDBOARD EVERYBODY SHOPS AMAZON AND ALL THIS KIND OF STUFF. YOU HAVE TO PUT THEM, THEY HAVE TO GO SOMEWHERE. I CAN KEEP ALL THE BOXES. RUN THE PROCESS OF MOVING BACK INTO OUR HOME. HAVE A TON OF BOXES. I HAVE BUTCHER PAPER. PUT BUTCHER PAPER IN THE PACK AND I CALL THE TRASH COMPANY AND THEY TOLD ME I NEED TO PUT IN PLASTIC. WHY WOULD YOU PUT BUTCHER PAPER AND PLASTIC? IT DOESN'T RECYCLE. IT MIGHT FALL APART 100 YEARS AND DISINTEGRATE. IT'S NOT DOING A SERVICE FOR US PUTTING IT BACK IN LANGFIELD. WE HAVE INCONSISTENCY. NOW I WOULD THINK THE GARBAGE COMPANY IS GOING HELP TO HIRE MORE PEOPLE BECAUSE AS I'VE DROVE DOWN MY STREET I'VE NOTICED YOUR PUTTING GREEN TAGS. THEY CAN TAKE THE TIME TO TAKE OUT THE GREEN TAG OUT OF THE LITTLE THING RIGHT ON THERE IF THAT ANTAGONIST GONE FIND YOUR BAG PAND TAG AND SAY BY THE WAY WER NOT GOING TO TAKE YOUR TRASH TODAY BECAUSE OF THIS AND THIS. ALSO INCONSISTENCY. LAST YEAR WE WERE ALLOWED TO PUT THIS AND THIS AND THE GARBAGE. THIS YEAR YOU CAN PUT THIS IN THE GARBAGE. NEXT TIME YOU HAVE TO WATCH THIS. NO WE WON'T TAKE THIS. THEY'RE TAKING MORE MORE THINGS OFF THE LIST THAT WE CAN RECYCLE YET OUR COST IS GOING UP. WHOSE POCKETS ARE MALIGNING? IT'S NOT MINE. THAT'S FOR SURE. I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. >> THANK YOU MA'AM. DID MS. CRUZ COME BACK IN? SONJA CRUZ? LAST CALL FOR SONJA CRUZ. OKAY. THAT'S ALL THE CARDS THAT I HAD. HIS OR SOMEONE THAT WANTED TO SPEAK THAT DID NOT GET THE OPPORTUNITY? YOU [02:35:03] ALREADY HAD YOUR TIME. I CAN GIVE YOU MORE. RE. [INAUDIBLE] IT'S ON CLAY COUNTY GUM.COM. IF YOU GO TO THE GOVERNMENT SECTIONYOU CLICK ON COMMISSIONERS. WE ARE LISTED THERE. IT HAS HER CELL PHONE NUMBERS AND OR EMAILS AND YOU CAN EMAIL ALL 5 OF US AT COMMISSIONERS AT CLAY COUNTY GUM.COM. HAVE TO HAVE THE CLAY COUNTY GUV. I'M NOT GONNA CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. I WILL BRING IT BACK TO THE BOARD FOR DISCUSSION. >> I HAVE NUMEROUS COMMENTS. >> GO AHEAD. >> FIRST OF ALL WE HEARD FROM THE COMMUNITY AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE THEY LEAVE HERE WITH SOME OF THE ANSWERS ANIMAL TO GO THROUGH PROBABLY 15 QUESTIONS HERE. NO PARTICULAR ORDER, RECYCLE PAYMENTS. WHAT WE GET PAID FOR RECYCLING? WHEN OUR CONSTITUENTS SAVE A GLASS BOTTLE AND WE SELL IT? WHAT WE GET PAID? > SERVE, WE GET CURRENTLY, WE BID OUT FOR OURSELVES OF RECYCLABLES ON OUR CO-MINGLE MATERIAL EVERY 6 MONTHS. CURRENTLY WE GET ABOUT 8 DOLLARS A TON. WE COLLECT ABOUT 7000 TONS A YEAR. THAT EQUATES TO ABOUT $56,000. NOW, RELIANCE WITH THE COUNTY FACILITY DON'T SORT IT. IN COMES IN FROM THE RECYCLE TRUCKS. IN THE 2 STREAMS, THE CONTAINER STREAM IN THE APER SIGN. WE KEEP IT SEGREGATED AND WITHOUT THE INTO SEMI'S GOT LOW HAUL TRUCKS AND SEND IT TO THE PROCESSOR WHO PURCHASES IT. AND SO THAT IS REVENUE INTO THE PROGRAM. WHEN WERE CALCULATING TIPPING FEE RATES AT THE GATE, ASSESSMENT RATES, THAT REVENUES PART OF THE CALCULATION. >> CAN YOU TELL ME WHAT THE RATES ARE DOING RIGHT THERE OR HAVE BEEN TO IT IN THE RECENT PAST? >> AS FAR AS THE PRICES FOR RECYCLING? >> ONLY SELL TO GET MONEY BACK FROM THESE RECYCLABLE PRODUCTS? >> WE ARE THE ONLY ONE THAT OUR TEAM IS AWARE OF IN OUR REGION IN NORTH FLORIDA THAT IS STILL GETTING PAID FOR OUR RECYCLABLES. MOST PEOPLE RIGHT NOW AND THE REASON WE ARE GETTING PAID IS WILL DROOL STRING. WE HAVE LESS CONTAMINATION THAN SOME OTHER PROGRAMS. THE SAME PROCESSOR IS GETTING OUR CONTAINERS TODAY CHARGES MOST OF THEIR CUSTOMERS $160 A TON TO PROCESS IT COULD THERE IS NO REBATE. >> SO THERE'S NO REBATE. >> THAT IS WHERE THE MARKET IS GOING. THAT IS WHERE WE ARE HEADING. WE ARE AT 8 DOLLARS. LEASE TO BE AT A MUCH HIGHER RATE. AND CONTINUES TO ERODE AND THERE'S GOING TO COME A POINT WHERE THEY'RE GONNA TELL US THAT WE HAVE TO PAY THEM FOR THEM TO TAKE OUR RECYCLABLES. THAT IS WHERE THE RECYCLING, AND SO EXPENSIVE TO PROCESS THE RECYCLABLES. THE MARKET FOR THEM DOMESTICALLY TO GOING TO HISTORY, WHEN CHINA SHUT OUT THE UNITED STATES THE RECYCLING MARKETS TEND TO HAVE A COME BACK AT. >> WANT TO MAKE SURE THE PUBLIC UNDERSTANDS. IT MAY COST US TO RECYCLE. IN THE FUTURE. >> MOST LIKELY. >> I'M IN A CLEAR AND A MISPERCEPTION THAT WE COULD TAKE HOME THEY DON'T PAY THEIR GARBAGE FEE. >> THE ASSESSMENT IS COLLECTED AS A NON-AD VALOREM ASSESSMENT ON THE TAX BILL WITH THE REST OF THE AD VALOREM TAXES. IN THAT SENSE IF YOU DON'T PAY YOUR TAX BILL FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS THERE ARE MECHANISMS. >> THIS IS IN ATTACKS. >> THE CERTIFICATE CAN BE SOLD ON THAT TAX PARCEL. I DON'T KNOW ALL THE LEGAL STEPS FOR THAT. MS. STOPS. HOW DO WE DO WITHOUT? >>. >> AND MIKE TO GIVE OUT OUR NUMBER ND ASKED FOLKS CALL THE ENVIRONMENTAL SERVICES DEPARTMENT. GIVE OUR STAFF AN OPPORTUNITY TO TURN IN HER SEAT ON THEIR BEHALF WITH SERVICE ISSUES. OUR NUMBER IS 904 Ã 284 6374. OR GO ON THE WEBSIT, THE COUNTY'S WEBSITE FO [02:40:09] GARBAGE AND TRASH AND WE ARE RIGHT THERE. >> MILTON WILL YOU REPEAT THAT? >> 904 Ã284 Ã6374 THAT IS THE COUNTY'S ENVIRONMENTAL SERVICE DEPARTMENT. WE WILL TAKE YOUR INFORMATION AND WE WILL CONTACT WASTE MANAGEMENT. THEN WE WILL FOLLOW-UP WITH THEM TO ENSURE THAT THE ISSUE WAS RESOLVED. WE DO HAVE A WASTE INSPECTOR THAT DOES THAT FOLLOW-UP IN THE FIELD WHEN THAT IS NECESSARY AS WELL. >> WAS BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION TO THE AUDIENCE ATTENTION, THERE WILL BE A LOT OF NEW HOMES IN CLAY COUNTY. I COULD BE PAYING FOR THE NEW HOMES? >> NO SIR. EACH HOME PAYS FOR ITSELF. THEY PAY THE SAME RATE. WHEN A NEW HOME COMES AND RECEIVES THEIR CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY, AFTER THE FINAL INSPECTION AND ON CONSTRUCTION. THEY PAY THE ASSESSMENT ON A PRORATED BASIS. WITH IN ORDER TO GET THEIR CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY. THAT HOME IS PAID FOR. THEN THE FOLLOWING BILLING CYCLE WITH THE NEXT TAX BILL AND THE INCESSANT WOULD BE INCLUDED ON OUT. JUST LIKE IT IS FOR EVERY OTHER HOME FROM THEN ON. >> CAN I INTERJECT SOMETHING COMMISSIONER? >> I WAS TOLD YESTERDAY, CAN YOU TELL US IF THIS WAS TRUE. IF WE HAVE MORE POPULATION WE ACTUALLY HAVE LOWER RATES. IS THAT TRUE? >> IS A TRICKY QUESTION. IN A SENSE, YES. GARBAGE SERVIC, IT ECONOMY SCALE. THE MORE HOMES, WHEN WE PUT THIS OUT TO BID, RIGHT NOW SERVICING ABOUT 72,000 HOMES IN CLAY COUNTY THROUGH OUR CONTRACT. WHEN WE PUT OUT TO BID, THE BIDDERS KNOWN THEY'RE GOING TO GET A CONTRACT WORTH 72,000 HOMES PLUS IT'S GROWING A 12 OR 15 HUNDRED HOMES PER YEAR. IN THAT SENSE WE SHOULD SEE BETTER RATES THAN SOMEONE WHO SPITTING OUT A 30,000 HOME CONTRACT. >> COVERING THE SAME DISTANCE? >> OBVIOUSLY DISTANCE AS PART OF THE EQUATION. IT'S CHEAPER TO PROVIDE SERVICES IN A TRADITIONAL CURB AND GUTTER NEIGHBORHOOD WITH LOTS THAN IT IS IN THE RURAL AREA WHERE PEOPLE ARE ON 5 ACRE TRACTS. BY DOING IT ALTOGETHER IS A COUNTY WE GET TO LEVEL OUT THOSE DIFFERENCES. OTHERWISE YOU KNOW COMMISSIONER CONDON'S DISTRICT COULD BE MUCH HIGHER RATES IN ANOTHER DISTRICT BECAUSE IT'S EXPENSIVE TO GO 300 FEET IN BETWEEN EACH HOUSE INSTEAD OF 50 FEET. BUT, THE ECONOMY SCALE REALLY WORKS IN POUR FAVOR AND THAT'S ONE OF TH ADVANTAGES OF THE UNIVERSAL SYSTEM. YOU GET THE BENEFIT OF THAT ECONOMY. >> IT WAS BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION THAT PICKING UP ON ONE SIDE OF THE STREET NOT ON THE OTHER, HERITAGE HILLS I HEAR IT ONCE A WEEK FROM THEM. TELL ME WHY OR DO YOU KNOW WHY WASTE MANAGEMENT WON'T PICK UP ON BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET SOME OF THESE NONTRIBAL TYPE STREETS. >> WITH VERY FEW EXCEPTIONS THEY WON'T. THERE IS REGION. WHEN I GOT IN THE BUSINESS THAT WAS NORMAL. THAT'S WHAT WE DID. THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT CHANGED. IT IS SAFETY. PART OF THAT SAFETY IS ALSO BECAUSE IT'S NOT JUST THE WASTE MANAGEMENT. NONE OF THE BIG COMPANIES WILL PROVIDE THAT INTO THAT. THEY CANNOT GET INSURANCE IF THEY DO THAT. IT'S A SAFETY ISSUE TO THE POINT THAT THE INSURERS ALSO HELP CONTROL THAT BEHAVIOR. >> TRASH FEES GOING TO ROAD CONSTRUCTION. ANY TRASH FEES GOING TO ROAD MAINTENANCE? >> NO SIR. >> YOU HEARD ABOUT PRIVATE ROADS. OUR COUNTY ATTORNEY WILL PROBABLY BACK ME UP. IT'S PRIVATE BECAUSE OF A REASON. IT'S YOUR ROAD. IF YOU'VE GOT AN ISSUE. GIVE BACK. RETURN A FEE. ACTUALLY HAD THAT OCCURRED DURING TRANSPORT. >> WE DID THAT TWICE.> WHEN THERE WASN'T A RETURN OF REVENUE FROM THE CONTRACTOR WE RETURNED IT TO THE RESIDENCE AS 3 DOLLARS AND NOT EVEN A CUP OF COFFEE NONETHELESS WE DIDN'T. >> IT WAS LITTLE OVER 3 DOLLARS [02:45:08] FOR THE 7 WEEKS THAT RECYCLING WAS SUSPENDED. THEN IT WAS SUSPENDED ALL YEAR LAST YEAR AND THAT REBATE WAS $22 AND 70 SOME ODD CENTS. THAT WAS A TRUE AMOUNT THAT THE COUNTY PAID THE CONTRACTOR FOR THAT SERVICE. >> HAVE WE CONSIDERED ALTERNATING YARD WASTE, RECYCLING ROUTES? >> LOOKED INTO THAT WHEN WE WERE DEBATING WHETHER TO SUSPEND RECYCLING OR SUSPEND YARD WASTE OR WHAT WE WERE GOING TO DO WITH THAT MASSIVE LEADER LABOR SHORTAGE. WITH OUR CURRENT USAGE AND OUR VOLUMES ON OUR YARD WASTE IT WASN'T SOMETHING THAT COULD HAVE BEEN ACCOMPLISHED. IT IS SOMETHING THAT WITH THE NEW CONTRACT THAT IS ONE OF THE OPTIONS WITH THE BID IS TO DO RECYCLING EVERY OTHER WEEK. WE ARE LOOKING ANOTHER SERVICE FREQUENCIES. I WILL TELL YOU SIR AS FAR AS GARBAGE AND MUST BE A MINIMUM OF ONCE A WEEK AND THAT BY STATE LAW BUT WE WOULD NOT LOOK TO BE DOING THAT EVERY OTHER WEEK IN FLORIDA ANYWAY. >> THE LAST QUESTION MY HEALTH. IT CAME UP NUMEROUS TIMES. INCONSISTENT SAY. ONLY HAVE A 13 QUART BAG. I PAY AND AM GONNA SAY IS A LIVID ORANGE PARKA WOULD GET PICKED UP TWICE A WEEK AND I MAY HAVE ONE BAG EVERY 2 WEEKS. I KNOW WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT. IT EXISTS IN OUR SOCIETY. LOOK AT INTERNET. THE PACE AT FEE FOR YOUR INTRANET. HOW MUCH DO YOU USE IT? HOW MUCH DEAR NEIGHBOR USES IT? WILL TAXES. I PUT 4 KIDS THROUGH SCHOOL AND AM STILL PAYING SCHOOL TAXES. YOU CONTINUE TO DO THAT YOU CAN JUSTIFY THAT BY SAYING DO YOU WANT CHILDREN TO BE KNOWLEDGEABLE AND EDUCATED SO THAT WHEN YOU BRING YOUR CAR IN IT TO GET IT FIXED YOU GET IT FIXED OR HEART VALVE REPLACED YOU WANT A GOOD DOCTOR. IT'S PART OF OU SOCIETY. THE INCONSISTENCY, EQUITY AND I'M ONLY GETTING ONE BAG A WEEK MY NEIGHBOR HAS 5 EVERY PICKUP. I GUESS YOU JUST HAVE TO LIVED WITHOUT. ANYWAY, THERE'S A LOT OF QUESTIONS. MOST OF THE QUESTIONS ARE THAT WE OUGHT TO ANSWER FOR CONSTITUENTS. >> THANK YOU. OTHER COMMENTS OR DISCUSSION QUESTIONS? >> I HAVE ADD. I CAN'T FOCUS WHENEVER THERE'S TALK OVER HERE. I'M SORRY, I CAN'T. >> IT IS THE ACOUSTICS OF OUR ROOM. IF WE CAN KEEP THE AUDIENCE DISCUSSION TO A MINIMUM, PLEASE. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? COMMISSIONER CELLA? >> COMMISSIONER VINEGAR STALLED A LOT OF MY THUNDER. I HAVE TO PHONE SHOULD GO FIRST NEXT TIME. >> GOT A LOT OF THE HIGH POINTS IN TERMS OF QUESTIONS THAT PEOPLE ASKED AND WANTED TO KNOW THE INFORMATION. DID I UNDERSTAND ORANGE PARK DOES 3 AND OR $60 A YEAR FOR THEIR SERVICES. >> ALL I KNOW IS STATE PICKUP TWICE A WEEK FOR FOLLOW-UP AVERAGE. >>. >> I SPOKE WITH ORANGE PARK THIS WEEK. THEY NEGOTIATED AN EXTENSION TO THEIR CONTRACT FOR COLLECTION SERVICES. THERE COLLECTION SERVICES IS GOING TO BE THE NEW RATE IS 3167 A MONTH. THEN YOU ADD THE 8 DOLLARS A MONTH FOR THE DISPOSAL BECAUSE THEY PARTICIPATE IN THE DISPOSAL ASSESSMENT SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO PAY THAT SEPARATELY. THAT BRINGS THE IDENCE TO A TAL COLLECTION AND DISPOSAL F $39.67. PER MONTH. WERE PROPOSING $27. >> IS ABOUT $480 A YEAR THAT? >> YES. >> THAT'S ORANGE PARK YOU SAID? >> THEY GET TWICE A WEEK PICKUP. >> THEY WOULD'VE SAVED ABOUT 5 DOLLARS A MONTH IF THEY HAD CHOSEN THE ONCE A WEEK OPTION. >> ONE OF THE OTHER QUESTIONS I THINK THAT WAS THERE, I GUESS A COMMENT WOULD BE IT WAS MORE EFFICIENT FOR FOLKS TO BRING THE RECYCLING TO ONE SPECIFIC LOCATION AND TO HAVE THE TRUCKS COME TO THEIR STREET PICKUP ON THEIR STREET. NOT A LOGISTICS GENIUS BUT, IF YOU HAVE ONE TRUCK MOVING AS OPPOSED TO HOW [02:50:04] MANY HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE BRINGING THE RECYCLES TO THE BIN. YOU'VE GOT MULTIPLE CARS ARE DRIVING TO THE BIN WHERE IS YOU JUST HAVE THE ONE TRUCK. I DON'T THINK IT'S THAT MUCH MORE EFFICIENT IN TERMS OF HAVING PEOPLE BRINGING EVERYTHING TO ONE LOCATION AS OPPOSED TO HAVING THE TRUCK GO OUT AND PICK IT UP. WOULD THAT BE A FAIR ASSESSMENT? >> I THINK SO. YOU WOULD MOVE THE COST TO THAT INDIVIDUAL THROUGH THEIR FUEL AND MAINTENANCE COST TO THEIR VEHICLE. >> I THINK THE COMMISSIONER TOOK A LOT OF OTHER QUESTIONS I HAD EARLIER. [LAUGHTER]. >> THAT MEANS THEY WERE GOOD QUESTIONS. YOU JUST SAY GREAT MINDS THINK ALIKE. >> I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THAT. [LAUGHTER]. CERTAINLY I APPRECIATE HIS THOUGHTS ON THAT. I THINK, MY WIFE AND I MOVED TO FLORIDA IN 2003 OUT OF CONNECTICUT. WE HAD MUNICIPAL GARBAGE PICKUP NO RECYCLING, CONNECTICUT HAS MANY NEW ENGLAND STATES HAVE YOU PAY EXTRA WHEN YOU BUY SOMETHING IN A BOTTLE WHERE YOU CAN. THE NEW PAY DEPOSIT. WHEN YOU TURN THAT AROUND AND BRING THAT SODA BOTTLE OR CAN BACK TO THE GROCERY STORE THERE'S A BIG MACHINE AND YOU PUT IT IN THEIR TRANSIT AND GIVES IT RECEIPT AND YOU TAKE THE RECEIPT TO THE CASHIER OR YOU CAN BUY THE GROCERIES OR GET A REBATE ON THE BOTTLES OR CANS. WE'VE GOT HERE IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT IN A LITTLE CULTURE SHOCK. WE WERE HANDED A LIST AND IT HAD A NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT WOULD COME AND PICK UP OUR GARBAGE. HE HAD SUBSCRIBED TO THAT YOURSELF. I WILL TELL YOU WHAT THERE WAS MORE THAN ONE TIME THAT IT HIT THE CLAY TODAY AND THEY MAY BE ABLE TO GO PICK IT UP BUT THERE WAS A FISTFIGHT OVER THE FACT THERE WAS A GENTLEMAN THAT PAID FOR PICKUP SERVICE AND THE NEXT-DOOR NEIGHBOR DID IT. HIS NEXT-DOOR NEIGHBOR WAS SLIDE THE GARBAGE OVER PUT IT IN HIS PILE SO IT WOULD GET PICKED UP. IT WAS MORE THAN ONCE IN THE CLAY TODAY BECAUSE I THOUGHT WELL, EVERYBODY JUST PAYS FOR GARBAGE. I UNDERSTAND THE NEED TO THANK YOU WANT TO BE ABLE TO DRIVE THAT GARBAGE TO THE LANDFILL. FIRST OF ALL I DON'T THINK WE'D BE ABLE TO HANDLE THE ADDITIONAL PEOPLE IF WE LET PEOPLE OPT OUT TO LET PEOPLE HANDLE IT AT THE LANDFILL AT ANY ONE TIME. ON A SATURDAY YOU CAN REST ASSURED THERE WILL BE A LOT OF PEOPLE BRINGING THEIR STUFF TO THE LANDFILL. I DON'T KNOW IF WE'VE TOUCHED ON IT STRONGLY ENOUGH, IN TERMS OF THE UNIVERSAL COLLECTION. IT ALLOWS US TO GO AFTER FEMA REIMBURSEMENT MONEY THERE'S A MAJOR STORM. IF WE WERE NOT OF UNIVERSAL COLLECTION POINT DURING HURRICANE PERMIT THAT $8 MILLION WOULD COME OUT FOR GENERAL FUND OR WHEREVER WE COULD HAVE GENERATED IT YOU KNOW, WE WOULD END UP PAYING FOR THAT RATHER THAN, IT DIDN'T COME OUT OF A LOCAL BUDGET WHICH WOULD'VE TAKEN AWAY FROM OPERATIONS OF ANYTHING. IT WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN ABLE TO GET IT REIMBURSED. UNIVERSAL COLLECTION IS VERY IMPORTANT ASPECT ESPECIALLY AS IT RELATES TO THE INCREASE IN LIKELIHOOD OF STORMS OR STORM EVENTS WHICH I WOULD CALL LIKE THEY HAD IN SOUTH FLORIDA OUTSIDE OF FORT LAUDERDALE EARLIER THIS YEAR THEY HAD 20 INCHES OF RAIN AND 12 HOURS. FEMA WAS CALLED IN BECAUSE IT WAS DECLARED A DISASTER ZONE. THAT'S ANOTHER ASPECT THAT I DIDN'T THINK WE HIT HARD ENOUGH ON. THAT'S AN INSURANCE POLICY FOR BAD TIMES. >> THANK YOU. OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS OR DISCUSSION? >> SOMEONE HAD ASKED ABOUT AFTER WE HAD ALREADY EXPLAINED THE HARDSHIP EXEMPTION. I DON'T KNOW, WHERE CAN I FIND THAT? THERE IS NONE HARDSHIP EXEMPTION. >> THERE IS A HARDSHIP EXEMPTION FOR LOW INCOME. THE EASIEST WAY IS TO GO TO CLAY COUNTY GUV.COM. THEN IT'S GOVERNMENT AND CITIZEN SERVICES. UNDER ITS CITIZEN SERVICES IT'S GOVERNMENT AND RECYCLING AND THEN CLICK ON THAT. INFORMATION IS THERE. OR THEY CAN CALL OUR OFFICE NUMBER, I'LL REPEAT THAT 904 Ã 284 Ã6374. OUR STAFF WILL HELP OVER THE PHONE AS HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE IN THE HOME WHAT [02:55:08] YOUR INCOME LEVEL WE CAN LOOK AT THE CHART IN SAINT YOU DO YOU NOT MEET THE LOW INCOME THRESHOLD FOR THE EXEMPTION. WITHOUT SOMEBODY HAVING TO SEND IN PAPERWORK AT THAT POINT. >> OKAY. ALONG THOSE LINES YOU KEEP ON GIVING YOUR NUMBER. I GET CALLS EVERY DAY. I GET EMAILS EVERY DAY. I GET TEXT EVERY DAY. CALL YOUR COMMISSIONER. I HEAR PEOPLE SAYING THERE GARBAGE DIDN'T GET PICKED UP 4 WEEKS OR RECYCLED MADE THE CROSS DEAD. I CAN GUARANTEE YOU RIGHT NOW THAT MY CONSTITUENTS, THERE GARBAGE WAS PICKED UP THAT DAY. IF WASTE MANAGEMENT DIDN'T COME BACK THESE PEOPLE WENT AND GOT, THEY CAME TO OUR CONSTITUENTS AND PICKED UP THE GARBAGE. WE ARE YOUR VOICE. YOU ELECTED US. I WORK DANG HARD FOR MY CONSTITUENTS AND I CAN PROMISE YOU I WILL DO WHATEVER IT TAKES TO MAKE YOU HAVE THE SERVICE YOU ARE PAYING FOR. I'M NOT HAPPY WITH THE SERVICE WE GOT. I'VE DEFINITELY LET IT BE KNOWN. WE ARE YOUR VOICE AND YOU TRUSTED US TO GO FIND THOSE COMPETITIVE BIDS. WE WORK HARD AT THAT. WE LOOK AT THE NUMBERS. WE ARE GOING TO GO TO BAT FOR YOU. ANYWAY, I WANT TO LET EVERYONE KNOW YOU CAN ALWAYS CALL US. THAT'S WHAT WERE HERE FOR. I USUALLY GET BACK PRETTY QUICKLY. THERE WERE SOME GREAT IDEAS WITH THE AUTOMATED AND WE'VE COVERED THAT. I KNOW YOU ALL DON'T KNOW THE IDEAS THAT ARE ALREADY ON THE BID. SOME OF THE ONES YOU'VE TALKED ABOUT, I THINK MILTON DARBY TALKED ABOUT THAT WE WANT UP-TO-DATE EQUIPMENT. AN AUTOMATED IS PART OF THAT. THERE WILL BE A NICE BIG GARBAGE CANS AND WERE TRYING TO FIND A WAY TO GET THOSE TO WHERE PEOPLE AREN'T HAVING TO PAY FOR THEM. THERE'S THINGS, EVERYBODY HERE IS DOING THEIR JOB THAT WAY. DON'T THANK YOU'RE NOT BEING HEARD. WE DO HEAR YOU. THEY ARE VERY GOOD AT WHAT THEY DEAL. THEY WILL FIGURE OUT THE BEST WAY TO COME UP FOR US TO BE PAINT THE LEAST AMOUNT. BECAUSE I HEARD A GENTLEMAN SAY IT'S GOOD BE 5 HOURS AND $46, THAT'S THE WAY IT'S GONNA BE. IT'S NOT TRUE. THAT'S NOT WHAT YOU SEEN THAT IN THE PAST. SHE LOOKED UP HERS, WENT UP $60 OVER 2 YEARS. I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE'LL HAVE TO HAVE GARBAGE PICKUP. WE ALREADY HAVE TOUCHED ON WHY EVERYBODY CAN'T DO THEIR OWN. WE STAND FOR PUBLIC SAFETY. THAT'S A HUGE PART OF GARBAGE PICKUP IS. AFTER LOOK OUT FOR COUNTY AND FOR OUR SAFETY AND WHAT IS THE BEST FOR EVERYONE HERE. I THINK I HAVE EVERYTHING. YEP, I THINK I HAVE EVERYTHING. THANK YOU. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? >> I THINK THE CONCERNS WERE RAISED IN THE COMMISSION DID THEIR BEST TO GET THOSE ANSWERS FOR MR. TOWNES. I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD. >> I WANT TO COMMENT. THE COMMENT FROM ONE OF OUR CONSTITUENTS HERE TONIGHT WAS $300 BAG OF GROCERIES AND 2005 I PAID THIS AND THAT. I'M GOING TO REFER TO THE BRIEF HERE TONIGHT. THE COLLECTION ASSESSMENT HAS GONE UP LESS THAN 10 PERCENT OVER THE LAST 16 YEARS. I GUESS IT'S NOW TIME TO REALIGN THAT WITH COVID AND ALL THAT. GASOLINE IN 2005 WAS A DOLLAR 88. LOOK AT THE PUMP GOING HOME TONIGHT. IT'S 379. IT'S TRIPLE THE PRICE, 250 PERCENT. NONE OF US LIKE THAT. WE ARE VICTIMS OF THAT AS WELL. WE ARE DOING OUR DAMNEDEST TO LOOK FOR WAYS TO SAVE, LOOK FOR ACCOUNTABILITY IN OUR CONTRACTORS. WE BEDDED OUT. WE HAVE RULES THAT WE HAVE TO GO BY. REST ASSURED I WILL TELL YOU ON LOOKING AT EVERY NICKEL WE ARE SPENDING. THERE IS NO WIGGLE ROOM. REGULAR GASES $2.79. DIESEL IS [03:00:05] $4.78. IT'S EVEN HIGHER. TRUCKS, EQUIPMENT, IS EXTREMELY EXPENSIVE. LABOR IS EXTREMELY EXPENSIVE TODAY. THOSE ARE THE COMPONENTS THAT GO INTO THIS CONTRACT. THEY ARE ALL SKYROCKETING. YOU SEE IT AND HE READ ABOUT IT AND USE IT. IT'S REAL. WE ARE VICTIMS OF THAT AS WELL. THAT'S WHAT WERE FACED WITH TONIGHT. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. I GUESS MY COMMENTS WOULD BE, I WANT TO THANK THE PUBLIC FOR COMING OUT TONIGHT. I SEE A LOT OF FACES IN THE ROOM THAT DID IT COME UP AND US. I HAD QUITE A FEW CONSTITUENTS FOR MY DISTRICT HERE TONIGHT AND THEY DROVE A LONG WAY. I APPRECIATE THAT. APPRECIATE YOUR PUBLIC INTERACTION AND BEING ABLE TO HEAR FROM YOU EVEN IF YOU JUST CAME TO LISTEN TO OUR CONVERSATIONS. WE APPRECIATE THAT. IT'S INTRIGUING TO ME THAT LOCAL GOVERNMENT IS WHERE YOU COULD BE THE MOST INVOLVED. WE REALLY CAN'T HAVE ACCESS TO OUR STATE AND FEDERAL LAWMAKERS IN THE SAME WAY WE CAN AT THE LOCAL LEVEL. IN MY OPINION THAT'S WRONG. AT ANY RATE, THAT'S ANOTHER SUBJECT ALTOGETHER. THERE WERE SOME THINGS TALKED ABOUT TONIGHT. PEOPLE TALKED ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENTAL CONVENIENT CENTERS. 3 OF THE 4 THOSE ARE IN MY DISTRICT LOCATED IN MY DISTRICT. THOSE ARE LEGACY CONVENIENCE CENTERS THAT I WILL FIGHT TO KEEP OPEN BECAUSE THEY DO PROVIDE A BIT OF A SERVICE FOR THOSE WHO LIVED QUITE A LONG WAY AWAY FROM THE ROSEMARY LANDFILL. BUT, BACK IN THE DAYS WHEN WE DIDN'T HAVE UNIVERSAL COLLECTION. MY DISTRICT WAS THE WORST ABOUT SUBSCRIBING TO SERVICE. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT COMMISSIONER BURKE SAID TONIGHT THAT I WOULD ECHO IS NEVER RESPONSIBILITY FOR PUBLIC SAFETY. DISPOSING OF HOUSEHOLD WASTE IS ABOUT SANITIZATON AS WELL. WE HAVE ENOUGH THAT WE TRIED TO INTERVENE ON. WE HAVE LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS WHO WORK FOR OUR ENVIRONMENTAL SERVICES DEPARTMENT. THAT CAN GO OUT AND INVESTIGATE ENVIRONMENTAL CRIMES. BEARING TRASH, BURNING TRASH TO SOME EXTENT, BURNING REGULAR HOUSEHOLD TRASH. NOT BURNING YOUR YARD WASTE BUT BURNING HOUSEHOLD TRASH IS ILLEGAL. SO, BACK IN THE DAYS WHEN PEOPLE HAD BURNED BARRELS, THEY THREW EVERYTHING IN THOSE AND THEY BURNED THEM. THERE'S ENVIRONMENTAL CONTAMINATION FROM THAT. WE DON'T NEED TO ADD TO ANY PROBLEMS. WE KNOW WE ALREADY HAVE THE VERY UNFORTUNATE, VERY DIFFICULT SITUATION WE ARE TRYING TO DEAL WITH BUT THEY ARE BURNING WASTE. HE, YOU CAN SAY THEY PROBABLY KNEW IT WAS WRONG AND I BELIEVE THAT THEY DID. THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT BURN THINGS THAT THEY DON'T KNOW IS BAD. YOU BURN A SOLO CUP, THAT'S PUTTING PLASTICS AND THOSE ARE CARCINOGENS BEING PUT INTO THE AIR. SO, THAT'S A CONCERN OF MINE. EVERY HEARD A LOT FROM YOU. I APPRECIATE THE CALLS FOR PRIVATIZATION AND GIVING ME A CHOICE. THAT'S WHERE I NATURALLY GO. I THINK MILTON IS SMILING BECAUSE AS SOON AS I GOT ELECTED THE COMMISSION OF THE FIRST QUESTION I SAID IS WHY WE PUT THIS OUT FOR PRIVATIZATION? I WANT TO GIVE PEOPLE A CHOICE. CONSUMERS HAVE THE RIGHT TO HAVE THAT. THE PROBLEM IS THOSE WHO WILL DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT. THEN ONE ILLEGALLY DUMP IT OR BURN IT OR IS COMMISSIONER SOLIS SAID, FIGHT WITH YOUR NEIGHBOR BECAUSE THEY'RE THROWING IT IN THEIR TRASHCAN. I HAVEN'T HEARD THOSE SOLUTIONS. I'M OPEN TO OUR CREATIVITY. I WANT TO BE OPEN TO CREATIVITY. THE PRIVATE ROAD THING IS CONCERNING. YOU PAY TO MAINTAIN THEIR OWN PRIVATE ROAD. AS TO PAY FOR REGULAR VEHICLES TO GO DOWN IT. NOW GONNA ASK HER PRIVATE CITIZENS TO MAINTAIN IT FOR A BIG TRUCK TO GO DOWN. THAT'S ADDED THAT WERE GETTING A LOT MORE DELIVERIES TODAY. WHAT A SACRAMENT WITH THE AMAZON TRUCK? WHAT AMAZON DOES IS THEY START SAYING WERE NOT GONNA GO DOWN THAT ROAD. I HAVE A NUMBER OF PLACES IN MY DISTRICT THAT THE USPS WON'T DELIVER. AMAZON WILL DELIVER. UPS WILL DELIVER IT. FEDEX WILL DELIVER. YOUR LEFT TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET YOUR THINGS FROM THEM AND I ASSUMED THE MAIL COULD NOT DO THAT AND FOUND OUT THE POSTMASTER ACTUALLY HAS THE AUTHORITY TO [03:05:03] MAKE THAT DECISION AT INDIVIDUAL POST OFFICES. THAT'S OF CONCERN. CLICK ON IT HAS SO MANY PRIVATE ROADS. IT'S UNFORTUNATE THAT PRIVATE ROADS WERE EVER ALLOWED. BECAUSE OF THE PROBLEMS THAT THEY CAUSED, NOT AT THE TIME PEOPLE STARTED BUILDING THERE. AT THE TIME WHEN THEY AGE AND THEY BECOME SENIOR CITIZENS AND CAN'T MAINTAIN THE ROAD ANYMORE. THEN THEY WANT THE GOVERNMENT TO TAKE IT OVER IN THE COUNTY TO TAKE IT OVER. IT'S ALSO NOT LOST ON ME AT THIS POINT BE POPULAR. I JUST FEEL THE NEED TO SAY IT. IT'S NOT LOST ON ME THAT PEOPLE DON'T WANT THEIR TRASH FEE TO GO UP BUT THEY WANT US TO BE ABLE TO SAY THAT THERE COULD BE NO MORE CARWASHES. THAT THERE CAN BE NO MORE STORAGE UNITS. THAT WE NEED MORE RESTAURANTS. WE DON'T GET TO DECIDE WHAT GOES WHERE. WE DO GET TO DECIDE THINGS IKE THIS. I APPRECIATE THE COMMENTS MADE. I APPRECIATE MS. STACY'S COMMENT THAT IF YOU REALLY WANT TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE ON OUR AUTHORITY THAT, THAT COMES FROM TALLAHASSEE. I APPRECIATE THAT. THERE IS SOME FREE-MARKET ON PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNERS RIGHTS. YOU DO HAVE PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNERS RIGHTS. WE ALSO HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY FOR THAT PUBLIC SAFETY AND TO MAKE SURE WE ARE HANDLING TRASH SO BEAR CONTROLLING DISEASE DISEASES ARE SPREAD BY INSECTS. I'M NOT TRYING TO GET INTO A SCIENCE LESSON. INSECTS, IF WE HAVE TRASH THAT'S ROTTING IT'S GOING TO ATTRACT LARVA AND THEY'RE GOING TO MAKE FLIES AND SPREADING DISEASES AND LIQUIDS THAT ATTRACT MOSQUITOES AND SPREAD OTHER DISEASES. THOSE THINGS ARE CONCERNING. I DIDN'T HEAR THOSE RESPONSES BACK. I DON'T REALLY KNOW THE RIGHT ANSWER. I STILL LIKE THE PRIVATIZATION IDEA. WHEN I ASKED ABOUT PRIVATE EYES ASIAN AND SENDING IT OUT NASSAU COUNTY TRIED THAT. THE RESIDENTS WERE ASKING NASSAU COUNTY TO TAKE IT BACK OVER BECAUSE THE RATES WERE SO HIGH. ESPECIALLY FOR THE MORE RURAL AREAS. REPRESENT THE RURAL AREAS. I DON'T WANT TO SEE THAT HAPPEN TO MY CONSTITUENTS. AT ANY RATE, I DON'T KNOW THE RIGHT ANSWERS. I KNOW NOT HAVING UNIVERSAL TRASH COLLECTION WITHOUT SOLUTIONS IS ALSO NOT THE RIGHT THING TO DO. FOR THE GREATER GOOD. WITH THAT I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. >> I HAVE ONE OTHER THING I WANT TO SAY WASTE MANAGEMENT WE KNOW ARE THE LARGEST BUT, WE MAY BE FACED WITH SOMETIMES THE CHEAPEST ISN'T THE BEST. I WOULD DEFINITELY HAVE SEEN THEM. I DO WANT TO SAY THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING WE ARE HAVING TO LOOK AT. HOW MANY TIMES A DAY HERE WASTE MANAGEMENT WAS HORRIBLE AND ALL THE SERVICE WAS BAD. THAT'S WHAT WE MIGHT BE FACED WITH. JUST TO GIVE YOU ALL A HEADS UP ON THAT. >> I HOPE THEY ARE LISTENING AND I KNOW OUR STAFF WAS LISTENING. IT IS UNACCEPTABLE. IF WE ARE PAYING FOR SERVICE AND NEEDS TO BE DONE WELL AND NOT THROWING YOUR CANS AROUND WHETHER YOU BOUGHT THEM FOR THE COUNTY BUYS THEM. I SEE THAT TOO. WHEN I SEE IT ON THE STREET I STOP AND TAKE PICTURES AND TEXT THEM TO MILTON. THAT IS UNACCEPTABLE TO US. THIS NEW CONTRACT WILL HAVE THE DAMAGES IN IT WHICH OUR PREVIOUS CONTRACT DID NOT. >> RIGHT. >> THERE WILL BE SOME FINANCIAL FOR PENALTIES. >> QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS QUICK. >> MADAM CHAIR, BEFORE WE GET TO A MOTION. THE THREAD THAT RAN THROUGH A LOT OF THE FOLKS THAT WERE HERE TONIGHT, THEY WANTED BETTER CUSTOMER SERVICE. I THINK WE'VE ANSWERED SOME OF THOSE IN REGARDS TO LETTING THEM KNOW THEY HAVE ANOTHER WAY TO BE ABLE TO GET THAT DONE. IF YOU HAVE A CHRONICALLY BAD SITUATION WITH SOME KIND OF PICKUP, WHATEVER IT IS. REACH OUT TO US AND IT GETS TAKEN CARE OF. I DO THAT MORE OFTEN THAN NOT. DRIVING AROUND NEIGHBORHOODS LOOKING FOR PEOPLE THAT HAVE THEIR GARBAGE PICKED UP AT ABOUT 6 7 O'CLOCK AT A FRIDAY EVENING. I'VE BEEN THERE. ALL OF US HAVE BEEN THERE APPEARED I APPRECIATE YOU COMING OUT. I APPRECIATE THE THOUGHTS AS HOW WE CAN GET A [03:10:03] BETTER CUSTOMER SERVICE. ALTERNATING YOUR WASTE AND RECYCLING. KEEPING EVERYBODY WITHIN CERTAIN AMOUNT OF GARBAGE BEING THROWN OUT. THEY GO TO THE NEW AUTOMATIC HAULERS OF THE TRUCKS DUMP THE CAN ITSELF. THE ONLY BE ABLE TO BE ALLOWED TO BE FILLED UP TO THE COUNTER. NOTHING ELSE ABOVE AND BEYOND THE COUNT WILL GET PICKED UP. DOES LIMIT THE AMOUNT SOME PEOPLE HAVE AND THEY WON'T BE ABLE TO PUT OUT 5 OR 6 GARBAGE CANS WORK. THE BE ABLE TO PUT OUT 96 BALANCE, WHAT IS THE CAN? >> 96 GALLONS. >> FROM THAT POINT YOU'VE BEEN HEARD. YOU NOTICED ALL OF US WROTE DOWN ALL OF YOUR QUESTIONS AND ALL OF YOUR COMMENTS. ALL OFYOUR THOUGHTS. WE TAKE THOSE TO HEART. WITH THAT, IF YOU WOULD MADAM CHAIR I WILL MAKE THE MOTION. >> COMMISSIONER SELLECK CAN YOU DO THEM SEPARATELY? >> YEAH. THIS WILL BE FOR THE DISPOSAL ASSESSMENT. I WILL MAKE THE MOTION THAT WE GO TO FOR THE YEAR 2023 AND WE ADOPT THE RECOMMENDED RATE OF $96 THAT STAFF HAS ASKED OF US. >> WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? >> I WILL SECOND THE MOTION. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? >> I HAVE ONE MORE THING. IT RELATES TO THE CORRESPONDENCE WE GOT VIA EMAIL, LETTERS. ALTHOUGH THEY ARE GOING TO BE ENTERED INTO THE RECORD, THEY WERE ALL BRED BY THE COMMISSION HERE. THEY WERE ALL PART OF THE DELIBERATION THAT WE ARE GOING THROUGH. >> YES, I WILL REITERATE IN THE EVENT SOMEONE IS THINKING THAT THEY CONSENT THOSE AND BE PART OF THE RECORD, THEY ARE PART OF THE RECORD IF THEY ARE PART OF A PUBLIC HEARING. THERE ONLY ON THAT TOPIC. IF THEY ADDRESS ANYTHING ELSE IN THOSE WE CANNOT INCLUDE THEM. COMMISSIONER BURKE, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING? >> THEY WERE JUST SEMI LIKE SOMETHING WAS WRONG. >> GO AHEAD. >> OKAY. IT DID NOT INCLUDE THE MAX. THE ORIGINAL MOTION. OKAY. DID THE SECOND DEGREE? ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR INDICATE BY SAYING I. THOSE OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES 5 ÃSEAMOUNT. NOW I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON ITEM 25 WHICH IS ON SOLID WASTE AND RECOVERED MATERIALS, COLLECTION SERVICES ASSESSMENT. FOR FY 23 -24. IS THERE A MOTION? >> I WILL MAKE A MOTIONWE APPROVE THE RATE RESOLUTION FOR SOLID WASTE COLLECTION SERVICES ASSESSMENT FOR FY 23-24. >> OKAY, WE HAVE A MOTION AND DOES IT INCLUDE A MAX? >> YES. 228. 228.504. >> DO WE HAVE A MOTION WE HAVE A MOTION, DO WE HAVE A SECOND? >> I WILL SECOND. >> ANY FRTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS ONE? THIS ONE IS HARDER FOR ME BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A NEW CONTRACT. I'M NOT INCLINED TO INCREASE IT BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW BUT THE NEW CONTRACT RATES WILL BE. THAT'S JUST MY PERSONAL. WE KNOW WE HAVE A NEW CONTRACT FOR THE DISPOSAL AND WE KNOW WHAT IT SAYS. AT ANY RATE THAT'S JUST MY COMMENT. >> THESE REFLECT THE CURRENT COST OF THE COUNTY. IS THAT CORRECT? >> CURRENT COST PLUS A LITTLE BIT IS A STEP ONE INTO THE NEW CONTRACT. ABOUT 2 DOLLARS A MONTH. FOR THE NEW CONTRACT. >> WHERE IS LASTER USED RESERVES TO COVER THE ACTUAL COST. >> OKAY, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR INDICATE BY SAYING I. THOSE >> SPECIAL ASSESSMENTS FOR ROADS, COURTNEY AND RICHARD. [26.  Public Hearing to consider adoption of Final Assessment Resolution for the addition of subdivision properties to the Subdivision Roads Maintenance Municipal Service Benefit Unit and to impose non-ad valorem special assessments for the provision of subdivision roads maintenance services therein (C. Grimm/R. Smith)] >> AS YOU KNOW WE HAVE A SUBDIVISION ROADS, MAINTENANCE, MUNICIPAL UNIT. EACH YEAR IF [03:15:01] WE HAVE ADDITIONAL SUBDIVISIONS THAT GET APPROVED AND ASK FOR THE BOARD TO ACCEPT MAINTENANCE OF THE ROADS. THE BOARD AGREES TO ACCEPT THE MAINTENANCE AND STATES THEY WILL BE SUBJECT TO THE MSB OPEN THIS OR BROUGHT FORWARD TO YOU. THIS YEAR WE HAVE THE 4 THAT ARE OUTLINED IN THE RESOLUTION UNDER ITEM NUMBER 26. WHICH IS WILLOW SPRINGS PHASE 3, FOX METAL UNIT 88, ROLLING HILLS UNIT 2 A AND BRADLEY CREEK CROSSING UNIT 1. AS SET FORTH IN THE INITIAL ASSESSMENT RESOLUTION THAT WAS BROUGHT TO YOU BACK IN JUNE. WE ARE REQUESTING THAT THE BOARD SAID NOT ONLY THE ANNUAL RATE FOR THIS YEAR MOVING FORWARD BUT ALSO THE MAXIMUM RATE. MIX OKAY. QUESTIONS FOR COURTNEY? SEEING NONE I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. IS THERE ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK SPECIFICALLY ON THESE SUBDIVISIONS BEING ADDED TO THE MSB YOU FOR SUBDIVISION ROADS? SEEING NONE I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND I WILL PUT IT BACK TO THE BOARD FOR A MOTION AND DISCUSSION. >> I DON'T HAVE A DISCUSSION BUT I DO HAVE A MOTION. I WILL MOVE TO APPROVE. >> I WILL SECOND THE MOTION. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR INDICATE BY SAYING I THOSE OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES 5-0. NOW WE ARE GOING TO, ITEM NUMBER 27. IT HAS BEEN WITHDRAWN. THIS IS A PLANNED URBAN TO FOMENT WITHIN CORRECTIONAL SOLACE AND WITHDRAWN BY AFRICAN. 28, 29, 30, 31 WAS WITHDRAWN AND ITEM NUMBER 32. IF YOU WERE HERE SPEAK ON ANY OF THESE ITEMS THEY INCLUDE ZONING CHANGES AND THEREFORE REQUIRE YOU TO BE SWORN IN. IF YOU ARE HERE JUST BECOME ONE OF THESE ITEMS OR YOU THANK YOU MIGHT SPEAK ON ONE OF THESE ITEMS, IF YOU WILL PLEASE STAND. THOSE ARE ITEMS NUMBER 28, 29, 30 AND 32 ON OUR AGENDA. KRISTI WILL SWEAR YOU WIN. [28.  Final Public Hearing to consider adoption of ZON-0123-00002. (District 1, Comm. Cella) (M. Brown) Continued from May 23, 2023.] >> TO ALL SOLEMNLY SWEAR OR AFFIRM THE TESTIMONY YOU ARE ABOUT TO GIVE WILL BE THE WHOLE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH SO HELP YOU GOD? THANK YOU. YOU MAY HAVE A SEAT. >> THANK YOU ALL. ITEM NUMBER 28, THIS IS A FINAL PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER ADOPTION OF ZEAL WHEN, 01230002. COMMISSIONER SALAS REDISTRICT. REZONING 9.6 ACRES FROM AR TO PS3. >> MADAM CHAIR AND BOARD. THIS IS A CONTINUATION. YOU'VE HEARD THIS BEFORE. IT'S BEEN A FEW MONTHS. I WILL BRIEFLY GO OVER THE AGENT IS MARKED SCREW B. THIS IS A ZONING MAP CHANGE REQUEST FROM AGRICULTURAL RESIDENTIAL TO PRIVATE SERVICES. THE PARCELS ARE LOCATED ON SOUTH OF COUNTY ROAD 220 AND WEST OF CLAUDE ROAD. AS YOU MENTIONED, MADAM CHAIRMAN IT'S COMMISSIONER SALAS TO START. THE PLANNING COMMISSION HEARD THIS AFTER MARCH 7 MEETING. HERE IS AN AERIAL SHOWING YOU THE PARCELS S OUTLINE IN YELLOW. REAL 3 PARCELS THAT TOTAL 9.56 ACRES. THEY HAVE APPROXIMATELY LITTLE OVER A THOUSAND LINEAR FEET OF FRONTAGE ON COUNTY ROAD 220. JUST UNDER 500 FEET OF FRONTAGE ON CLAUDE ROAD. THE FUTURE LAND USE IS RULE FRINGE. JUST LAST MONTH THE BOARD APPROVED A LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE CHANGE RELATED TO THE PS3 AND PS 6. PS 3 SUB BRING OUT THE USES LEAVING HOSPITAL AND MEDICAL USES IN THE S3 ZONING DISTRICT. WHICH IS THE REQUEST FOR THIS PARCEL TO BE REZONED. THE STATE INTENT OF THE REZONING IN THE APPLICATION FOR THE APPLICATION OF FUTURE DEVELOPMENT OF A STANDALONE EMERGENCY ROOM WITH AN ASSOCIATED MEDICAL OFFICE BUILDING. THIS SLIDE SHOWS YOU SURROUNDING ZONING. AR ZONING TO THE WEST AND SOUTH. PS -1 TO THE EAST WHICH IS THE LOCATION OF ST. JOHN'S CLASSICAL ACADEMY. CROSS COUNTY ROAD 220 IS PUD, PRIMARILY RESIDENTIAL PROJECTS. [03:20:04] IN SUMMARY, AGAIN THIS IS A REQUEST TO CHANGE ZONING FROM AR, AGRICULTURAL RESIDENTIAL TO PS -3. REQUESTED PS3 ZONING IS CONSISTENT WITH THE RULE FRINGE LAND-USE. THE USE PROPOSED FOR THE SITE CONSISTENT WITH THE NEWLY RECONSTITUTED PS3 ZONING DISTRICT. STAFF HAS REVIEWED THE APPLICATION TO DETERMINE THE REQUEST IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING AREA. THE FLEMING ISLAND ADVISORY COMMITTEE REVIEWED THIS APPLICATION ON FEBRUARY 5. VOTED 4-1 FOR APPROVAL. INCLUDED I BELIEVE IT'S IN YOUR PACKET ONE OF THEIR ISSUES WAS ALL THE USES THAT WERE ALLOWED AT THAT TIME IN THE PS 3 THE SEPARATION I BELIEVE ADDRESSED WHAT THEY VOICED AS SOME OF THEIR CONCERNS. PLANNING COMMISSION DID VOTE 5-2 TO RECOMMEND DENIAL. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ZEAL WHEN Ã0123 Ã00002 AMENDING THE ZONING MAP FROM AR TO PS3 FOR THE ASSOCIATED 9.56 ACRES. TIFFANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF? >> COMMISSIONER VINEGAR? >> PLANNING COMMISSION REVIEWED THIS UNDER THE OLD DEFINITION OF PS3. UNDER THE NEW ONE. WHY DID WE SEND IT BACK WITH A NEW ONE? >I'M ASSUMING THEY HAD A PROBLEM WITH EXPANDED PS3. >> WAS PART OF THE ISSUE. THE ISSUE THEY VOICED WAS THEY FELT THAT THIS WAS TO FAR WEST ON 220 FOR NONRESIDENTIAL. THEY BELIEVED THAT PART 228 SHOULD STAY MORE RESIDENTIAL. THAT WAS THE OTHER. MULTIPLE ISSUES CAME UP BUT THAT WAS HER PRIMARY CONCERN WAS, THERE CONCERN WAS A BELIEVED THE NONRESIDENTIAL USES SHOULD BE MORE EAST OF HERE ON TO TONY. >> EVEN THOUGH THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE WHICH I IMAGINE ARE ALL FLEMING ISLAND RESIDENTS HAVE NO ISSUE WITH IT. >> THEY WERE OKAY WITH IT. >> THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE INDICATED ONE OF THE BIG COMMENTS THEY MADE WAS DEVOTED 4 A FAVOR AS LONG AS WE COULD CONTROL WHAT WENT IN AFTER A STANDALONE EMERGENCY ROOM. EXAMPLE, THE HOSPITAL SOLD OUT WHAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT COULD GO IN THERE. WE ELIMINATED OTHER USES TO THE FACT THAT IT COULD BE INSTEAD OF ON EMERGENCY ROOM AND MEDICAL OFFICE BUILDINGS. THAT'S WHAT THEY WANTED. THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT MAYBE DOING IT IN A PCD OR PUD OR SOMETHING. I THINK WE DID IT IN A CLEANER FASHION. THE ZONING IS WHAT IS ALLOWED THERE. IT WAS A 4-1 VOTE. >> OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MIKE? >> ALRIGHT I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. OF COURSE IF YOU ARE HERE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM, I DO NOT HAVE THE CARDS. NOW WE HAVE THE APPLICANT AND THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVE HERE. ANYONE ELSE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON IT WE WILL NEED A CARD FROM YOU. MR.'S GROUPIE, YOU CAN PROCEED. >>.[INAUDIBLE] >> MIKE HAS COVERED WHAT WE'VE DONE AND WHAT WE'VE APPLIED FOR HERE. WE CORRECTED IF YOU WILL THE UNDESIRABLE USES AND YOU HANDLED D THAT BACK AT THE END OF JULY. Y. ADOPTED ORDINANCE TAKING CARE THAT I THINK MIKE IS CORRECT COMMISSIONER RENICK ABOUT THE CONCERN OF THE PLANNING OMMISSION IS PUSHING NONRESIDENTIAL USES DOWN THE ROAD. I THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE A PROBLEM FOR THE BOARD DOWN THE ROAD. THIS IS A 4-LANE HIGHWAYWITH A DIVIDED HIGHWAY. USES THAT CONTINUE TO THE WEST, THEY ARE NOT SUPPORTED BY ANY AMENITIES. IT'S JUST PIECES OF PROPERTY THAT HAVE HOMES THAT ARE FUNCTIONALLY OBSOLETE. IT JUST SEEMS TO ME THAT WILL HAVE TO BE RE-EXAMINED. WHETHER IT'S USEFUL OR PRODUCTIVE TO KEEP THAT IN THAT FASHION. WE ARE BETWEEN 2 PS 1 USES. WE'VE GOT THE SCHOOL ON ONE SIDE AND A CHURCH ON THE OTHER. BETWEEN [03:25:04] US IS ANOTHER PIECE OF AR PROPERTY THAT IS BEING MARKETED RIGHT NOW. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEIR INTENTIONS ARE WITHOUT PIECE OF PROPERTY. BEING MARKETED, IT'S AGAIN ANOTHER FUNCTIONALLY OBSOLETE HOME. IT'S BEEN THERE A LONG TIME. OUR INTENTION IS TO PLACE AN EMERGENCY DEPARTMENT ON THE SITE. WILL BE OPEN 24/7 AND PROVIDING SERVICE TO THAT COMMUNITY. YOU GOT THE LARGE PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT TO THE NORTH WE WILL BE ABLE TO USE THAT SERVICE RIGHT NEXT WAS THE BE ABLE TO USE A SERVICE THERE WERE SOME CONCERNS AMBULANCES CREATING NOISE. MORE ONLY REALLY FACING POSSIBLY 2 AMBULANCES A DAY. THAT WOULD REPORT. THE REST OF THEM BUT ALL BE DRIVE UPS. IT'S A LOW TRAFFIC KIND OF A USE. THE EMERGENCY DEPARTMENT WOULD BE RELATIVELY SPEAKING. IT ALLOWS FOR LESSENING, THE GLASS CASES OF LESSER ACUITY FROM SHOWING UP AT THE EMERGENCY ROOM FOR MORE SERVICES ARE PROVIDED AT THE HOSPITAL ON CLEAN SLATE. IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR PEOPLE TO GO LOCALLY TO HANDLE A BROKEN LEG OR LACERATION OR SOMETHING OF THAT SORT. THESE ARE ELEVATIONS THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING YOU WOULD SEE DONE AT THIS PARTICULAR FACILITY. THERE'S ONE OF THESE ALSO MIDDLEBURG WHICH I THANK YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH. WE'VE ALSO TAKEN A LOOK, THIS WOULD BE A SITE PLAN. WHICH SHOWS HERE AND HERE. >> MR. SCREW B CAN YOU SPEAK INTO THE MIC. WE CAN'T HEAR YOU. >> I'M SORRY, YOU'RE RIGHT. IT'S BEEN A WHILE. IT SHOWS YOUR ED OVER HERE. ROUGHLY 11,000 SQUARE FEET. AND THEN THE POTENTIAL FOR 2 MLB'S TO THE WEST AT 30,000 SQUARE FEET EACH. >> WHAT IS THAT? A MEDICAL OFFICE BUILDING? >> MEDICAL OFFICE BUILDING. YES. MANY OF THE REFERRALS ARE MADE FOR PHYSICIANS UP OCCUPY THESE BUILDINGS. WE COMMITTED, THERE WILL BE 2 ENTRANCES TO THE PROPERTY. ONE OF THEM WILL BE ALIGNED WITH THE EXISTING MEDIUM OPENING. THEN THE OTHER WILL BE TO THE WEST. BOTH OF THEM WERE GOING TO HAVE D CELL LANES ON 220. THE WESTBOUND TRAFFIC APPROACHING THE MEDIAN OPENING TO ENTER IN FOR THE ED, WE WILL PUT A TURN LANE. WE'RE COMMITTING TO THOSE 2 THINGS. D CELL LANES HERE AND HERE. I TURN LANE HERE. THE CONFIGURATION MAY CHANGE WITHIN. THOSE FEATURES ARE BEING COMMITTED. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM. IF YOU NEED DETAILS, ANTHONY BRUNETTI IS HERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS ABOUT OPERATIONAL ISSUES IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT. >> OKAY, QUESTIONS? FOR EITHER? OKAY, I THANK YOU FOR THAT. I IMAGINE I'M GETTING A CARD NOW OF SOMEONE WHO WANTS TO SPEAK. SIR, DID YOU WANT TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? COME ON UP. >> CAN I LEAVE THIS UP HERE? >> MR. CRAVEN. >> HI, I'M ONE OF THE PROPERTIES THAT ARE TRYING TO CHANGE HERE. AND REZONE. I APPRECIATE THE FACT, THERE OBSOLETE HOMES DOWN THERE BUT WERE NOT. THE EXISTING ENTRANCE HE'S TALKING ABOUT, THE ONLY ONE HE'S TALK ABOUT SQUAD ROAD. THAT'S NOT TO BE SUFFICIENT IN ITS CURRENT FORM. TO MAKE AN ENTRANCE INTO THIS PROPERTY. YOU CAN'T GET 2 CARS SIDE-BY-SIDE HURRIEDLY ON IT. IT'S A ONE LANE ROAD. THAT'S [03:30:08] WHAT IT IS. I DON'T GET IT. I DON'T KNOW WHY REMOVING ALL THE STUFF DOWN THIS WAY. THEY DID THE CHURCH AND EVERYBODY WAS HAPPY WITH IT AND LOOK WHAT IT'S MORPHED INTO. WHEN THEY ORIGINALLY STARTED ANNOUNCING THIS ONE WAS GOING TO BE NO AMBULANCES. NOW IT'S 2 A DAY. WHAT'S IT GONNA BE WHEN THEY GET THERE? THANKS. >> YES SIR. THANK YOU. X CAN HE SHOW US WHERE HIS PROPERTY AS QUICKLY MR. CRAVEN, ARE YOU BEHIND THEM ON ON CLOUD ROAD OR ARE YOU ON 220? >> AMONG CLOUD ROAD. >> SO YOUR BEHIND THIS PROPERTY. YOUR PROPERTY BORDERS ITIT? >> THAT'S CORRECT. DOES THAT ANSWER YUR QUESTION COMMISSIONER BURKE? >> ANYONE ELSE WANT TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT OR THE REPRESENTATIVE? >> WE WILL NOT BE USING CLOUD ROAD AS A POINT OF ENTRY. IT'S NOT SUFFICIENT TO SUPPORT TRAFFIC LIKE THAT WE WOULDN'T EVEN DREAM OF IT. OUR IMMEDIATE OPENING IS SITUATED SO THAT IT'S RIGHT AT THE ENTRANCE WE PROPOSE FROM 220. >> OKAY. >> CLOUD ROAD IS A SINGLE LANE. >> LET ME CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. NOW WILL BRING IT BACK TO THE BOARD FOR DISCUSSION. >> CLAUDE LANE IS A SINGLE LANE. I THINK THEY CALL IT PAVED BUT, IT'S NOT REALLY PAVED. >> IS FURTHER EAST THAN WHERE THEY'RE PROPOSING TO ENTER THE PROPERTY BUT THE STANDALONE EMERGENCY ROOM WILL BE. >> OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? DISCUSSION? MOTIONS? >> MADAM CHAIR I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE AND MOVE FROM REZONING OF 9 POINT 56 ACRES FROM AR TO PS-THREE. >> WE HAVE A MOTION, TO BE HAVE A SECOND? >> I WILL SECOND. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? >> IF I COULD MADAM CHAIR. WE LOOKED AT THIS SEVERAL TIMES IN REGARDS TO WHETHER THERE SHOULD BE ANYTHING IN THIS CASE, PUBLIC SERVICE, ANYTHING NONRESIDENTIAL. ORIGINALLY IN THE FLEMING ISLAND PLAN, IF THAT'S WHAT IT CALLED FOR. HOWEVER, IT CERTAINLY IS NOT AN AREA WHICH WE WANT A VERY HIGH USAGE TRAFFIC GENERATOR TO BE IN THERE SUCH AS AN APARTMENT COMPLEX OR SOME, CONDOS OR THOSE KIND OF THINGS. IT CERTAINLY WHAT IT COULD'VE BEEN IF WE LEFT IT THERE. THE OTHER THING IS, I READ AN ARTICLE NOT TO LONG AGO THAT THE STATE OF SOUTH CAROLINA IS IN SOME PJEOPARDY OF ATTRACTING ADDITIONAL PEOPLE TO MOVE TO IT. IN FACT GENERALLY PEOPLE LEAVING FROM THERE NOT BEEN RECOMMENDED TO MOVE THERE BECAUSE THEY HAVE A DOCTOR SHORTAGE IN A MEDICAL FACILITY SHORTAGE. IT'S NOT SOMETHING I'D LIKE TO SEE CLAY COUNTY GET INTO. WE CAN'T HAVE A MEDICAL PROCEDURE DONE WE WANT TO BE DONE. I THINK THIS MAKES A GOOD OPPORTUNITY FOR HCA TO BUILD A FACILITY THAT WILL BE USED AT THE SAME TIME I THINK IT TAKES IT OFF THE MARKET FOR THOSE HIGH-DENSITY POTENTIAL APARTMENTS OR CONDOS OR THOSE, THANKS. I'M IN FAVOR OF THE UNIT IT WILL INCLUDE ADDITIONAL HIGH-PAYING HEALTHCARE JOBS. I THINK IT WILL BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR IN THAT PARTICULAR AREA. >> OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS OR DISCUSSION? ONE THING I THINK CAME UP ONE OF OUR PREVIOUS MEETINGS AND WE'VE HAD SO MANY ON THIS ONE I REALLY DON'T REMEMBER WHAT THE ANSWER WAS. CHIEF MARK IS NOT IN HERE AND HE'S WATCHING ONLINE. IT'S OKAY CHIEF I DIDN'T TELL YOU AT A TIME I WAS [03:35:02] ASKED THIS QUESTION. ONE THING I'VE HEARD FROM THE PUBLIC IS THAT THERE IS SOME SUSPICION THAT THIS IS BEING PUT IN BECAUSE THE BAPTISTS ER OPENED AND THERE IS THE BELIEF THAT THE AMBULANCES CAN'T GO PAST AN EXISTING ER ON THE WAY. AT ANY RATE THIS IS NOT FUNCTIONING IN THE WAY OF THE HOSPITAL ER. FOR THOSE KIND OF MEDICAL PROCEDURES. SOMEONE, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THIS SOMEONE IS NOT TO BE TRANSPORTED HERE WHEN THEY'RE IN CARDIAC FAILURE. THEY WILL BE TRANSPORTED TO EITHER ST. VINCENT'S BAPTIST OR THE BIG ORANGE PARK HOSPITAL. I WANTED TO SAY THIS IS NOT IN COMPETITION. IT IS INTRIGUING TO ME BACK WHEN I WAS ON THE SCHOOL BOARD WE WERE TO GO SHOOTING INSURANCE RATES BECAUSE THEY WERE NOT SELF-INSURED. I WAS ON THE INSURANCE COMMITTEE. THERE WAS LOTS OF PUSH BY THE INSURER'S TO ENCOURAGE MEMBERS TO GO TO URGENT CARES VERSUS EMERGENCY DEPARTMENTS BECAUSE OF COST. YOU DON'T SEE AS MANY URGENT CARES ANYMORE. IT'S INTRIGUING TO ME THEY MAYBE DIDN'T STAY IN BUSINESS BECAUSE OF COST. MAYBE THAT'S THE HEALTHCARE LACK OF DOCTORS AND THINGS LIKE THAT AND WORKERS WE WERE TALKING ABOUT AS WELL. AT ANY RATE, I JUST WANT TO HAVE THOSE. THIS IS NOT THAT KIND OF ER ANY FURTHER? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR INDICATE BY SAYING I. THOSE OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES 5 Ã0. THE GIVER COMING AND [29.  Final Public Hearing to consider adoption of COMP-0623-00006 and PUD-0623-00006 (District 1, Comm. Cella) (D. Selig)] SPEAKING TONIGHT. WE APPRECIATE IT. ITEM NUMBER 29. FINAL PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER ADOPTION OF COMP 06230006 AND THE PUD ASSOCIATED WITH IT AND IT'S A LONG PARAGRAPH. YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND INTRODUCE IT TO US. >> GOOD EVENING. I AM GOING TO GIVE YOU ONE PRESENTATION. YOU HAVE ITEM NUMBER 29 AND ALSO ITEM THERE YOU BEFORE YOU TONIGHT. THIS IS ONE PROJECT FOR BOTH OF THESE ITEMS. I'M GONNA GO OVER THE PROJECT ITSELF THAT'S ATING ANY WILL HAVE 4 ARATE YOU WILL AVE SEPARATE MOTIONS TO VOTE ON. >> THE PROPERTY INVOLVED IS ON COLLEGE DRIVE AS OUTLINED ON THE LEFT AND YELLOW. AS YOU CAN SEE IT'S ALL UNDISTURBED LAND. I WANT TO POINT OUT A COUPLE OF FEATURES. THERE IS ONE ACCESS POINT AND IT'S THIS NARROW ACCESS DRIVE SPACE THAT CONNECTS THE >>> OF THE PARCEL WITH COLLEGE DRIVE. NEXT, JUST BELOW IT THERE'S A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY. THE PROPERTY HAS AN ENTRANCE ONTO COLLEGE DRIVE RIGHT HERE. THIS INTERSECTION IS COLLEGE DRIVE IN PEORIA. I HAVE ENLARGED THIS COMMERCIAL BUILDING ON THE RIGHT TO POINT OUT A COUPLE OF THINGS. AGAIN, THERE IS THE ENTRANCE DRIVE FOR THE MAIN PARCEL. THIS PARCEL HAS COMMERCIAL PROPERTY WITH PARKING FOR THE ROAD. IT ALSO HAS PARKING ON THE SOUTH SIDE ALONG WITH THE DUMPSTER ENCLOSURE. YOU CAN SEE THEIR ENTRANCES HERE LINING UP WITH THE LIGHTED PEORIA. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. THIS IS A CONCEPT PLAN. THE DEPARTMENT OF THE PARCEL. IT IS MULTI FAMILY APARTMENTS. THERE ARE 7 APARTMENT BUILDINGS ON THE SITE PLUS A CLUBHOUSE AND POOL AREA. THE BIG OVAL OF THE SOUTH PART DOWN HERE IS A RETENTION POND. WHICH PROVIDES A BUFFER BETWEEN THE APARTMENTS IN THE RESIDENTIAL SOUTH. THIS OPEN AREA HERE IS A CONSERVATION PIECE. THIS WILL ALWAYS REMAIN WEDDED THAT LAND HAS A CONSERVATION EASEMENT ON IT. THIS IS THE EXISTING ACCESS EASEMENT. NOT EASEMENT, EXCUSE ME, ACCESS FILE. YOU WILL NOTICE DOWN HERE THERE'S A SECONDARY ONE. APPLICANTS PROPOSING TO PROVIDE THEIR MAIN ENTRANCE IN THIS LOCATION. IT CONNECTS WITH INTERSECTION AND THE LIGHT PROVIDING A SAFER EXIT AND ENTRANCE. IN ORDER TO DO THAT WHEREAFTER BRING YOU THOSE 4 APPLICATIONS AND PART OF THEIR WORK WILL BE TO REMOVE PARKING THE DUMPSTER THAT IS RIGHT IN THIS LOCATION AND RELOCATE THEM UP HERE. DUMPSTER AND PARKING. ADDING ADDITIONAL PARKING BEYOND WHAT IS BEING MOVED FROM THE SITE. THIS COMMERCIAL PIECE WILL NOT HAVE ACCESS ON THE NORTH SIDE [03:40:10] AND AN UPGRADED ENTRY ACCESS POINT ON THE CELL SITE. THIS ENTRANCE WILL NOT FUNCTION AS AN EMERGENCY SECONDARY ACCESS ONLY WITH THE GATE HERE THAT WILL BE FOR EMERGENCY SERVICES TO UTILIZE. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. THIS IS AN ENLARGEMENT OF THE COMMERCIAL PIECE. THIS PORTION WHICH IS GOING TO BE A SECONDARY EMERGENCY ACCESS. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. SO, FOR ITEM NUMBER 29 ON THE AGENDA THERE'S A COMPREHENSIVE PLANT AND I PUD REZONING. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. APPLICANTS FOR BOTH OF THESE ITEMS TONIGHT IS SUSAN FRAZIER. THE PROPERTY IS IN THE WHICH WOULD AREA, COMMISSIONER SOLIZ DISTRICT. THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN CHANGE CHANGE OF FUTURE LAND USE FROM INDUSTRIAL TO URBAN CORE 10. THE ASSOCIATED REZONING APPLICATION WOULD CHANGE ZONING FROM PS2 AND AR TO PUD FOR PLANNED UNITIVE ELEMENT. . THAT'S JUST A REPRESENTATION OF THE PORTION OF THE PARCEL THAT IS AFFECTED AND OUTLINED IN YELLOW. . THE LEFT WHERE THE CURRENT FUTURE LAND USE. IT SORT OF LAVENDER COLOR THAT IS THE INDUSTRIAL PART. DARK BROWN WHICH IS THE URBAN CORE 10. ON THE RIGHT IS THE PROPOSED CHANGE, THE WHOLE THING WOULD COME URBAN CORE 10 WITH THE EXCEPTION OF NOT THE ACCESS DRIVE PART. AS THE >>> OF THE REST OF THE PARCEL. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. THAT'S THE ZONING. YOU COULD SEE IT SPLIT BETWEEN PS2 AND AR ALONG THE SAME LINE AS THE FUTURE LAND USE WAS. THAT WOULD ENTIRELY BECOME A PUD. YOU CAN GO AHEAD. THIS IS GOING TO BE AN APARTMENT COMPLEX. THERE'S 180 UNITS AND 7 BUILDINGS. THERE IS A BELIEVE IS 32.7 PERCENT OF THE UNITS THAT WILL BE AVAILABLE TO MODERATE INCOME. TENANTS. THERE ARE CRITERIA FOR THAT, FOR NOT JUST INCREASE IN DENSITY BUT FOR THE INCREASE TO UTILIZE AND CREATE AFFORDABLE HOUSING. THOSE CRITERIA ARE IN THE HOUSING POLICY. STAFF LOOKED AT ALL THOSE CRITERIA, THE APPLICANT HAS PRESENTED AND THEY MEET ALL THOSE BASIC CRITERIA. STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF OTH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN APPLICATION OF 6 23 Ã6. AND 0623 Ã7. THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED APPROVAL FOR BOTH OF THESE. ITEM NUMBER 30 ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA IS ALSO . COMPREHENSIVE PLAN CHANGE OF REZONING. THE CHANGE TO THE FUTURE LAND USE WOULD FROM INDUSTRIAL TO COMMERCIAL. WOULD CHANGE TO THE SONY WOULD GO FROM PS2TO PC DUKE WHICH IS THE PLAN COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT. THIS APPLIES ONLY TO THE ACCESS ROADS. AND NOT ANY OTHER PART OF THE PARCEL. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. CURRENTLY IT'S INDUSTRIAL FUTURE LAND USE. YOU CAN SEE IT'S COMMERCIAL ON BOTH SIDES OF COLLEGE DRIVE IN THAT AREA. THE PROPOSED CHANGE WOULD BE TO GO TO COMMERCIAL. SHOWN ON THE RIGHT. . ZONING SIMILARLY IS CURRENTLY PS2 AND WOULD BECOME A PCD. . YOU CAN GO AHEAD. SIMILARLY STAFF HAS LOOKED AT THE CRITERIA AND FOUND THAT THEY HAVE BEEN MET AND RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF BOTH COMP PLAN 0623 Ã7 PUD AND 0623 Ã7 AND LIKEWISE WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF BOTH. THAT IS IT. >> QUESTIONS FOR DODI ON EITHER OF THOSE 2 ITEMS. >> ALL RIGHT, I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. OBVIOUSLY THE APPLICANTS, SUSAN SUSAN FRAZIER [03:45:04] IS HERE. >> GOOD EVENING. A LATE EVENING. SUSAN FRAZIER3517 PARK STREET IN JACKSONVILLE. WE WALKED TO HER BUT WERE ASKING FOR. LIMITING HOW THEY GOT HERE. MY CLIENT IS LOOKING TO PURCHASE THIS PROPERTY FROM THE CURRENT LANDOWNER. APARTMENTS WERE PART OF THE IDEA. IF YOU GO BACK TO THE LAND USE MAP. SO, WHEN YOU DISCOVER THAT COLLEGE DRIVE, THAT WAS GOOD. COME COLLEGE DRIVE IS COMMERCIAL ON LANDING. COMMERCIAL ON COLLEGE AND THIS LITTLE BIT OF INDUSTRIAL. THAT'S JUST STUCK IN THE MIDDLE. SO WHEN THEY LOOKED AT THIS PROPERTY BECAME EVERYTHING AROUND US URBAN CORE 10 AND IT'S ACTUALLY PART OF IT IS URBAN CORE 10. THAT WAS A LAND-USE EMPHASIS TO GO FOR THAT PARTICULAR USE. COLLEGE DRIVE QUARTER AS PART OF THE COLLEGE DRIVE INITIATIVE. WE HAVE MET WITH THE COLLEGE DRIVE INITIATIVE GROUP COMMISSIONER CELLA JOINED US IN THE PRESENTATION WHEN THEIR TOP LINE WAS PRESENTED. THEY WERE ENTHUSIASTIC TO SEE HOUSING SOME HOUSING OPPORTUNITIES ON COLLEGE DRIVE. THAT MANY. THERE'S MOSTLY SINGLE-FAMILY BUT THERE'S NOT MULTI FAMILY. THE IDEA WAS WE WERE GOING TO HAVE APARTMENTS HERE. WE STARTED LOOKING FOR THE SECONDARY ACCESS AS ALL OF YOU KNOW THAT'S PART OF STARTING TO LOOK AT THESE NUMBER OF UNITS. WE WERE GOING TO APPROACH THE NEIGHBOR, THE SITE PLAN THAT DODI HAS SHOWN YOU TO HAVE AN EASEMENT OVER THEIR PROPERTY TO USE THEIR DRIVEWAY TO GET OUT TO COLLEGE DRIVE. WE MET THEM OUT THERE AND WE LOOKED AT EVERYTHING. WE REALLY CAME TO THE CONCLUSION OF STANDING THERE IT WOULD BE MUCH BETTER IF THE APARTMENTS ACCESS THE LIGHT INSTEAD OF COMING OUT ONTO COLLEGE ON THE MEDIUM. THE MEETING IS RIGHT THERE. AFTER GO SOUTH TO THE NORTH. IN THE END AFTER A GOOD NUMBER POF MEDIANS AND A GOOD NUMBER O HANDSHAKES ABOUT RESURFACING MY PARKING LOT AND CAN YOU HELP ME PAINT MY BUILDING. THE DEAL HAD BEEN STRUCK TO MAKE THE SWITCH YOU WERE SEEING THAT WE ARE REQUESTING. THIS IS DOCTOR PATEL ON SIS SHOPPING CENTER. SHE'S GOING TO GET ANOTHER 14 TO 15 PARKING SPACES. HE WILL GET ENTRANCE WHICH HELPS US WITH OUR FIRE ACCESS. IT GIVES HIM A NICE ENTRANCE OFF OF COLLEGE DRIVE. HE WANTS TO HAVE OUTDOOR SEATING FOR RESTAURANT ON THE END. LOOKED AT THIS AND WE FIND THIS IS AN INVESTMENT IN COLLEGE DRIVE THAT IS ENHANCED BY THE FACT WE BEEN ABLE TO WORK ON BOTH SIDES OF THIS STRIP CENTER. WORKING TO MAKE INVESTMENTS IN LANDSCAPING AND SIGNAGE AND OBVIOUSLY A NICE NEW DEVELOPMENT. WE WILL HELP HIM SEE SOME OF THE BENEFIT OF THAT INVESTMENT AS WELL. THE APPLICATION IS PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD. IT WOULD BE THE MULTI FAMILY. THERE'S A SITE PLAN INNER PACKET THAT'S IN THE ZONING APPLICATION. THEN THE COMMERCIAL SO WE CAN HAVE A COMMERCIAL DRIVEWAY FOR DOCTOR PATEL'S RELOCATED PARKING AND DUMPSTER AREA. I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. WE THINK THIS IS BEEN WELL RECEIVED IN THE COMMUNITY AND ACTUALLY DOES MORE THAN WE WOULD'VE DONE BY OURSELVES BY INCLUDING THIS DEVELOPMENT. >> IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'VE MADE QUITE A BIT OF PROGRESS SINCE YOU WERE IN FRONT OF PLANNING COMMISSION. YOU WERE TRYING TO NEGOTIATE THAT AND I WATCHED ONLINE. MANY RATE ANY QUESTIONS FOR SUSAN? >> 'SOR ANYONE HERE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? ALL RIGHT, SAYING NONE I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND BRING IT BACK TO THE BOARD FOR MOTION AND DISCUSSION. I HAD ONE QUESTION FOR YOU SUSAN. YOU MAY NOT KNOW THE ANSWER. BUT HE WON'T WERE IN FRONT OF PLANNING COMMISSION AND I WAS DRIVING AND LISTENING. I WAS NOT WATCHING. SO, I COULD NOT TELL WHO WAS SPEAKING. 1, IT MAY BE YOUR CLIENT. SOMEONE WAS TALKING ABOUT THE MEETING MEDIAN INCOME IN SETTING THE RENTS FOR WORKFORCE HOUSING AND THAT KIND OF THING. THEY MADE THE COMMENT THAT CLAY COUNTY HAS ONE OF THE HIGHEST MEDIAN INCOMES IN THE STATE? >> IT DOES. THE MODERATE INCOME. THE BRANCHES APPLY IN CLAY COUNTY ARE QUITE HIGH. >> DO YOU KNOW WHY. WHERE THIS FIGURES COME FROM? >> IS THE HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT AT THE STATE LEVEL AND FEDERAL LEVEL THAT LOOKS AT THE MEDIAN INCOME AND SETS YOUR MODERATE AT HUNDRED 20 PERCENT OF MEDIAN. HUNDRED PERCENT IN LIKE 60 PERCENT. THE WAY YOUR [03:50:04] LAND USE CATEGORY WORKS FOR URBAN CORE 10, WITH 60 UNITS PER ACRE BY RIGHT. THEN WE CAN GET 10 UNITS PER ACRE. THEN AT 60 UNITS PER ACRE WERE JUST BELOW THAT. WE HAVE 14/2 IF YOU HAVE OUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING. THOSE NUMBERS ARE QUITE HIGH. APPLICANTS FOR THIS COULD BE ELIGIBLE FOR THIS DENSITY BONUS IF THEY HAVE MODERATE INCOME, LOW INCOME AND VERY LOW INCOME HOUSING. WHATEVER THEY DECIDE THEY WANT TO PROVIDE. >> YOUR TOTAL NUMBER OF UNITS IS HOW MANY? >> 180. >> HOW MANY WILL BE MODERATE INCOME? >> 38.7. ISN'T THAT WHAT YOU SENT? >> 125 MARKET RATE. E. SELECT 54ARE MODERATE INCOME. INCOME. >> OKAYY THIS ED TO THE COLLEGE DRIVE INITIATIVE GROUP AS WELL THERE ARE STUDENTS IN THIS QUARTER AND THERE IS SOME FOR INVESTMENT. >> THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE THAT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER WHITAKER? >> INCOMES ARE SENT BY HUD AND IT'S CALLED THE METROPOLITAN SERVICE AREA. IT'S THEIR AREA AND IT INCLUDES A LOT LARGER AREA THAN CLAY COUNTY. >> IN FACT I THINK IT NEGATIVELY IMPACTS CLAY. UNFORTUNATELY. OUR RESIDENTS. OKAY. IF NO ONE HAS ANY OTHER QUESTIONS THEN I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. >> MADAM CHAIR MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION FOR BOTH 29 A AND 20 9B. THE COMP AND THE PD. >> WE ARE ON ITEM NUMBER 29. WE HAVE A MOTION, TO HAVE A SECOND? >> HOLD ON I'M BEING TOLD WE HAVE TO DO IT SEPARATE. >> 30 IS SEPARATE. WE HAVE TO DO 29 BOTH SEPARATELY? 2 DIFFERENT VOTES. SO FAR 20 9A. COMMISSIONER CELLA HAS MADE A MOTION TO APPROVE 29 A WHICH IS THE SMALL-SCALE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT. >> I WILL SECOND THE MOTION. >> WHAT WERE VOTING ON NOW IS TO CHANGE THIS PORTION OF LAND FROM INDUSTRIAL TO UC 10. THE REMAINDER OF THE PARCEL IS ALREADY UC 10. IF A MOTION AND A SECOND, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR INDICATE BY SAYING I. THOSE OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES 5 Ã0. I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON THE REZONING PORTION WHICH IS REZONE IT FROM PS2 AND AR TO APD. >> I MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION. >> SECOND. >> REV A MOTION IN A SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR INDICATE BY SAY NIGHT. OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES 5 ¦[SINGING]. ITEM NUMBER 30. WE'RE GOING TO ONLY VOTE ON ITEM A . SMALL-SCALE COPPERHEADS OF PLAN AMENDMENT. CHANGING .38 ACRES FROM INDUSTRIAL TO COMMERCIAL FOR FUTURE LAND USE. >> MOVE FOR APPROVAL. >>A SECOND. MOTION IN A SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? WHILE THOSE IN FAVOR INDICATE BY SAYING I. THOSE OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES 5 Ã0. NOW THEY HAVE A REZONING FOR THE SAME PIECE OF LAND FROM PS2 TO LANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT. >> ONCE AGAIN MADAM CHAIR WILL MAKE THE MOTION TO APPROVE. >> SECOND THE MOTION. >> MEMO MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR INDICATE BY SAYING I. THOSE OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES 5 Ã0. >> MADAM CHAIR IF I COULD WHILE YOU'RE RECOVERING. >> SORRY ABOUT THAT. >> LET ME SAY, COLLEGE DRIVE INITIATIVE WAS ONE OF MANY GROUPS AND PEOPLE THAT TOOK A LOOK AT THIS PROPOSED PLAN. IT JUST SEEMED TO WORK. AS A MATTER FACT WE WORKED WE MET BEFORE FOR MAKING THE ENTRY AT THE LIGHT, THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL THAT DELETE ACROSS. AND BEFORE THAT WAS ON THE DRAWING BOARD. IT SEEMS LIKE ALL THE PIECES FELL INTO PLACE AND ALMOST LOOKS LIKE A MIXED USE TO FOMENT BECAUSE WE'VE GOT THE STRIPMALL IN FRONT OF THE APARTMENT. THE NUMBER OF APARTMENTS, LOWER THAN SOME OF THOSE 350, 370 TYPE UNITS. BECAUSE SIGNAL IS LIKE TO GET PEOPLE IN AND OUT. IT SEEMED TO WORK. IT WILL HELP IN A NUMBER OF WAYS. SOME OF THOSE FOLKS THAT LIVED IN THOSE [03:55:04] APARTMENTS WILL BE ABLE TO WALK TO WORK AS A MATTER OF FACT. HOPING SOME OF THEM WILL BE STUDENTS AND MAYBE THEY COULD MATRICULATE AT ST. JOHN'S AS HE LIVED CLOSE BY AND THAT WILL START TO CHANGE THE ENVIRONMENT ON COLLEGE DRIVE. >> IT WAS NOT EASY BUT, WE TOOK THE STEPS AND WE THANK SUSAN AND HER CLIENT FOR BEING COOPERATIVE AND THINKING [32.  Final Public Hearing to consider adoption of ZON-0523-00011. (District 3, Comm. Renninger (M.Brown)] OUTSIDE THE BOX TO GET THIS THING DONE. >> THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, ITEM NUMBER 32, FINAL PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER ADOPTION OF ZEAL WHEN 05 23 00 11. THIS IS AN COMMISSIONER RUTGERS DISTRICT. WE DON'T OFTEN HAVE THOSE. >> MADAM CHAIR OUR COMMISSIONER. THE APPLICANT 'S KITE ABILITY. THE AGENT WAS HERE TONIGHT WAS BLAIR KNIGHTON WITH KIMBERLY HORN. THIS IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM PS ONE, PRIVATE SERVICES TO PA NEIGHBORHOOD IS THIS THE PARCELS LOCATED AT 2171 KINGSLEY AVENUE. AS YOU INDICATED IT IS AN COMMISSIONER RUTGERS DISTRICT. PLANNING COMMISSIONER HER THIS ON AUGUST HERE'S AN AERIAL THAT SHOWS YOU THE LOCATION OUTLINED IN YELLOW. IT'S REALLY A DEVELOPMENT AND A LOT OF DEVELOPMENT AROUND IT. THE PARCEL QUESTION IS 0.64 ACRES. AS APPROXIMATELY HUNDRED AND 40 FEET OF FRONTAGE ON KINGSLEY. THE EXISTING FUTURE LAND USE IS COMMERCIAL. THE REQUEST OF THE ZONING IS PERMISSIBLE IN THE COMMERCIAL LAND USE. THIS SHOWS YOU THE SURROUNDING ZONING. BA TO THE NORTH AND TO THE EAST. >> TO THE WEST. ACROSS KINGSLEY YOU HAVE ORANGE PARK HIGH SCHOOL AND BA ZONING. IN SUMMARY THIS IS A REQUEST TO REZONE 0.64 ACRES FROM PS 12 BA. THE REQUESTED BA ZONING IS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMMERCIAL FUTURE LAND USE. . STAFF HAS REVIEWED THE APPLICATION AND DETERMINE THAT THE REQUEST IS COMPATIBLETO THE SURROUNDING AREA. PLANNING COMMISSION VOTED 6- 0 FOR APPROVAL. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF Z ON Ã 0523 Ã000 11. DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF? >>DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF MIKE CLAY SEEING THEN I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. WE HAVE MISSED ¦ >> IT'S A LATE NIGHT. QUICK SORRY ABOUT THAT.> YOUR GOOD. DID YOU HAVE THE PRESENTATION FROM LAST TIME? NOPE, THAT'S OKAY. THAT'S OKAY. DO YOU MIND PULLING UP THE ZONING MAP? AS YOU CAN SEE THE EXISTING ZONING IS PS ONE. IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF AN OUTLIER IN THE LOCATION. WERE REQUESTING BA. PS ONE IS LIMITING AND ITS USES IT'S ONLY CHURCHES AND SCHOOLS. WE ARE REALLY WANTING TO REDEVELOP THIS FOR COMMERCIAL USE. WERE NOT SURE WHAT WERE GOING TO JAIL. BARGAINING KEEPS EXISTING BUILDING. IT'S BA YOU IS COMPATIBLE IN THIS LOCATION. IT MEETS THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. WE APPRECIATE THE STAFF REPORT WE AGREE WITH HER RECOMMENDATIONS. I'M HERE FOR QUESTIONS. >> QUESTIONS? >> THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. WE HAVE SOME TROOPERS IN THE AUDIENCE THAT ARE WILLING TO STAY UP WITH US. ANYONE ELSE WANT TO SPEAK ON THE PUBLIC HEARING? SAYING NONE, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND I WILL BRING IT BACK TO THE BOARD. >> ,AND PS ONE IS OUT OF CHARACTER FOR THAT AREA. IT SHOULD BE IN THE COMMERCIAL TYPE PIECE OF PROPERTY. I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE, WHICH ONE ARE WE ON HERE, 32? REZONE IT TO BE A STATE OF PS ONE. >> OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION, TO A SECOND? >> I WILL SECOND. >> ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR INDICATE BY SAYING I. THOSE OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES 5 Ã0. NOW, THOSE ARE THE END OF OUR ZONING [33.  Public Hearing for the purpose of considering the entry into Purchase and Sale Agreements for the purchase by the County of real property necessary for the Bonded Transporation Program, more particularly described as portions of Tax Parcel Nos. 28-05-26-014382-000-00 and 28-05-26-014376-000-00 and authorization for County Manager to execute all documents necessary to close the acquisitions (C. Grimm/E. Dendor)] HEARINGS. WERE NO LONGER UNDER THE PEOPLE WHO WERE SWORN IN. WE HAVE ITEM NUMBER 33, A [04:00:08] PUBLIC HEARING, WE HAVE TO DO THESE SEPARATELY. OKAY? OUR NEXT 3 PUBLIC HEARINGS ALL ARE PART OF THE BOND TRANSPORTATION AGREEMENTS FOR PROPERTIES. WE WILL START WITH ITEM NUMBER 33. >> ITEM NUMBER 33 IS FOR THE PURCHASE OF PORTIONS OF 2 DIFFERENT PARCELS. IN CONNECTION WITH ROADWAY IMPROVEMENTS FOR THE BONDED TRANSPORTATION PROJECT NUMBER 2 WHICH IS FOR CR 209. THEY ARE JUST NEEDED IN ORDER TO HARMONIZE THE ROADWAY IMPROVEMENTS. >> OKAY, QUESTIONS FOR COURTNEY? I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND I'LL BRING IT BACK TO THE BOARD FOR A MOTION AND DISCUSSION. >> I MOVE FOR APPROVAL. >> SECOND. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A [34.  Public Hearing for the purpose of considering the entry into a Purchase and Sale Agreement for the purchase by the County of real property necessary for the Bonded Transporation Program, more particularly described as a portion of Tax Parcel No. 29-05-26-014451-000-00 and authorization for County Manager to execute all documents necessary to close the acquisition (C. Grimm/E. Dendor)] SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR INDICATE BY SAYING I. THOSE OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES 5 Ã0. ITEM NUMBER 34. >> THIS IS ANOTHER PURCHASE JUST A PORTION OF A PIECE OF PROPERTY IN CONNECTION WITH THE PROJECT NUMBER 2 AS WELL. THIS PARTICULAR PARCEL PORTION IS AT THE INTERSECTION OF 209 AND 315 B. IT'S JUST TO HARMONIZE THE ROADWAY IMPROVEMENTS. >> ANY QUESTIONS FOR COURTNEY? I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. DOES ANYONE WANT TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND BRING IT BACK FOR A MOTION. >> MOVE FOR APPROVAL.> SECOND. >> WE HAVE A MOTION ON A SECOND, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY I. [35.  Public Hearing for the purpose of considering the entry into a Purchase and Sale Agreement for the purchase by the County of real property necessary for the Bonded Transporation Program, more particularly described as a portion of Tax Parcel No. 28-05-26-014404-000-00 and authorization for County Manager to execute all documents necessary to close the acquisition (C. Grimm/E. Dendor)] THOSE OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES 5 Ã0. ITEM NUMBER 35. >> THIS ONE IS IN CONNECTION WITH THE BOND AND TRANSPORTATION PROGRAM PROJECT NUMBER 2. IT IS ON COUNTY ROAD 209. IT IS UP CLOSER CONNECTION WITH THE INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS THAT WILL BE NEEDED FOR INTERSECTION TO 17. IT IS ACTUALLY FOR 2 TEMPORARY CONSTRUCTION EASEMENTS. AGAIN FOR PORTION OF THE PROPERTY. >> OKAY, I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. IS THERE ANYONE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ONE? SAYING NONE I WILL CLOSE IT AND BRING IT BACK TO THE BOARD FOR A MOTION AND DISCUSSION. >> MOVE FOR APPROVAL.> I WILL SECOND X WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY FURTHER [LETTERS OF DOCUMENTATION] DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR INDICATE BY SAYING I. >> THOSE OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES 5 Ã0. WE HAVE A BIT OF OPENING TABULATIONS. WE HAVE III FLOOR JAIL TUB RUSSIAN. OUR BROKER FOR PRE-BENEFITS WE PROVED THAT. THE LAZY ACRES EXTERNAL STORY RATE RECONSTRUCTION RIBBON WILL BE COMING BACK TO US. IT EXCEEDED A LITTLE BIT OF THE AMOUNT OF MONEY WE HAD. WE WENT BACK TO THE STATE TO ASK IF HE WILL PAY MORE MONEY. SO WE CAN GET THAT COMPLETED. I THINK THERE IS HOPE FOR THAT ONE. IF YOU ARE THE APPLICANT OR THE LANDOWNER OR THE BIDDERS THAT ONE WILL BE COMING BACK MOST LIKELY AT HER NEXT MEETING. WE ALSO HAVE THE [PUBLIC COMMENTS] TDC MINUTES ATTACHED. NOW WERE ON OUR SECOND PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD. IS THERE ANYONE THAT WOULD LIKE TO US? COME ON UP. I KNOW YOU SPOKE BEFORE DIDN'T YOU? CHRISTIE HAS YOU. >> BARBARA BLUE CHECK. I WAS DISAPPOINTED WHEN NEW TO THE SUMMARY OF ALL OF THE PUBLIC COMMENTS THAT NONE OF YOU ADDRESSED MIND WHICH WAS VERY DIFFERENT. I WAS NOT SAYING HOW BIG MY GARBAGE BAGS WERE OR WHATEVER APPEARED WAS PROPOSING THAT THIS BOARD CHANGE HOW YOU DO YOUR NON-AD VALOREM FEES. AND THAT YOU TAKE THOSE FEES, ALL THOSE FEES, ANY OF THOSE FEES AND RUN IT THROUGH THE SAME COMPUTATION THAT YOU DECREASE PEOPLE'S MARKET VALUE BEFORE YOUR ASSESSING A TAX HAS AN IRREGULAR COUNTY TAXES. USUALLY THEY'RE ALL EXEMPT ON SCHOOL BOARD. NOW, WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE GARBAGE FEES. ACTUALLY, BECAUSE I'M IN THE TOWN OF ORANGE PARK. BY THE TIME I ADD UP MY MONTHLY FEE IN MY $96 I PAY MORE FOR MY GARBAGE PICKUP THAN MY TAXES. AND I FEEL LIKE, FROM SOME OF THE PEOPLE HERE THEY ARE IN WORSE STRAITS. YOU KEEP RAISING THESE AND IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S 100 BUCKS HERE OR [04:05:02] LITTLE BIT THERE. IT HAS NO ACCOUNTING FOR INCOME. IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA AND ALL THE GOOD PEOPLE SAVE OUR HOMES. I THINK SOME OF THE PEOPLE IN HERE WERE UPSET BECAUSE THEY ARE SAYING BECAUSE OF THESE FEES WE HEARD ABOUT LIENS. IF I DON'T PAY MY FEES. IF I DON'T PAY MY TAXES YOU LOSE YOUR HOUSE. THIS IS WHY EVERYONE IS SO CONCERNED. I THINK EVERY TIME WE HAVE A CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT SHOULD BE GIVEN A BREAK TO TEACHERS AND SOCIAL WORKERS BUT NOT NURSES? THAT ONE WENT DOWN IN FLAMES. I WANT YOU TO REMEMBER, I'M PROPOSING SOMETHING DIFFERENT FOR YOU TO CHANGE SOMETHING. YOU ARE POWERFUL. YOU CAN CHANGE IT. YOU COULD SAY, WE ARE GOING TO DO THIS. THE OTHER IS IF EVERYONE IN THIS GROUP AND EVERYONE THEY TELL CALLS THE MAN WHO WAS HERE. CALLS THEM AND SAYS, I WANT TO SEE IF I CAN ELIMINATE IT. I WAS TOLD WHEN I TALKED TO HIM THEY EITHER DO IT PAY GRATIAN WE DON'T HAVE TO PAY AT ALL. OR YOUR VETERAN. I DIDN'T SEE ALL THOSE. YOU WILL HAVE TO HIRE NEW STAFFING. MY PROPOSAL WAS DON'T GO THROUGH THIS ALL OVER AGAIN WITH PEOPLE. JUST REDUCE IT BASED ON WHAT THEY HAVE ALREADY TAKEN THEIR INCOME TAX FORMS IN OR PROVIDED THE FOODSTAMP DOCUMENTATION. GOTTEN IN THE SYSTEM, THERE'S A WHOLE LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO GET THE SYSTEM. I WOULD APPRECIATE IT IF YOU WOULD BE INNOVATED SO MAYBE SOME OTHER PLACES WILL SAY WOW, LOOK AT WHAT CLAY COUNTY DID. AND HOW YOU PICK IT UP IS REALLY NOT RELEVANT. WHAT IT IS IS ANY AD VALOREM FEES, NON-AD VALOREM FEES, I'M SORRY. SHOULD BE REDUCED LIKE YOU DO THE AD VALOREM FEES. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE WANT TO SPEAK DURING PUBLIC COMMENT? ALL RIGHT. COMMISSIONER [COUNTY MANAGER] AUDITOR. OKAY. COUNTY ATTORNEY? NOTHING? MR. COUNTY MANAGER? >> MADAM CHAIR COMMISSIONER. ONE ITEM. THIS SATURDAY FROM 9-2 IS WHAT MOVES PLAY, OUR TOUCH A TRUCK. THERE WILL BE LOTS OF VEHICLES OUT THERE, SHERIFF'S VEHICLES FIRE AND RESCUE VEHICLES OUT THERE. HEAVY EQUIPMENT. PUBLIC WORKS VEHICLES. FROM 9-11 IT WILL BE A QUIET TIME TO WALK AROUND. THERE WILL BE FOOD TRUCKS, INDOOR OUTDOOR KIDS ACTIVITIES. IT WILL BE BOOTHS WITH LOCAL ORGANIZATION AND COUNTY SERVICES. THEN FROM 11-2 WILL BE THE NOISE AND THE SIRENS AND THE LIGHTS AND ALL THAT. PLEASE I ENCOURAGE EVERYONE TO COME OUT TO THE FAIRGROUNDS. IT WILL BE A GREAT, GREAT EVENT AND LOOKING FORWARD TO IT. AND [COMMISSIONERS' COMMENTS] SOMETHING MORE IMPORTANTLY, IT'S FREE. PENDING ANY QUESTIONS, THAT'S ALL I HAVE. >> ANY QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER COMMENTS. I WOULD LIKE TO START? >> ALBEIT I'M ON THE ON, I WILL BE GLAD TO START. >> YOU WANTED TO BE FIRST EARLIER. SO COMMISSIONER VINEGAR DIDN'T STEAL YOUR THUNDER. >> I WILL PASS THEM THIS WAY. TAKE ONE PASS IT DOWN. COURTNEY, DO YOU NEED ONE? THANK YOU. WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT IS A PROPOSAL FROM THE WAY FREE MEDICAL CLINIC. IT STEMS FROM A MEETING THAT WAS I WAS OUT FROM THEIR DIRECTOR DAWN. AS YOU KNOW THEY RENT FOR A DOLLAR. THE BUILDING THAT'S BETWEEN US AND THE COURTHOUSE THERE ON THE CORNER. HE SAID DURING THE MEETING, HE SAID, I HAD ASKED HIM IF HE HAD ANY PROGRESS TO FINDING A SPY GREENE COVE. THE OPENING UP ANOTHER BIGGER FACILITY ORANGE PARK. THEY STILL WANT TO MAINTAIN THE GREENE COVE LOCATION FOR THOSE FOLKS, THOSE PATIENTS THEY'VE ALREADY ESTABLISHED. HE SAID, I KNOW WE ARE ASKING BECAUSE YOU NEED US OUT OF THERE AND WE WANT TO BE OUT OF THERE. WE DON'T HAVE ANY PLACE TO GO JUST YET. I SAID, WELL THE CITY OF GREENE COVE IS SUPPOSEDLY HELPING THEM. THEY HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO COME UP WITH THE RIGHT LOCATION EITHER. DON SAID, WHAT IF WE WENT MOBILE? HE SAID, WE WENT ON AND I SAID WELL, TO BE THIS MIGHT BE A GOOD OPPORTUNITY TO SPEND SOME ARE BUT DOLLARS. WHAT HE IS PROPOSING IN THIS, IS TO BUY MEDICAL TRAILER AND A VEHICLE [04:10:08] TO PULL THE TRAILER. ESTABLISH WATER, ELECTRICITY, WHATEVER WE HAVE TO HAVE SO THAT UNIT CAN GO MOBILE AND SEND IT TO AREAS OF THE COUNTY THAT DON'T GET THE FREE MEDICAL SERVICE. SO, EVERY WEEK IT COULD STOP AT DIFFERENT LOCATIONS AND IT CAN BE MORNINGS ARE HERE MAYBE AFTERNOONS HERE THERE ARE WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE. WE WILL BE BACK FOR HIM TO DECIDE FOR THEM TO DECIDE ON TERMS OF HOW THAT OPERATES. THE BOTTOM LINE IS WERE ABOUT $3000. WE COULD GET FREE MEDICAL HELP TO ALL PARTS OF THE COUNTY UNDER THE WAY FREE MEDICAL CLINIC SO PEOPLE DON'T HAVE TO GO TO THE CLINIC. THEY CAN GO TO THE LIBRARY, FIRE STATION OR WHATEVER IT MAY BE THERE THAT WILL MAKE ME THE LOCATION AND IT CAN BE THERE EVERY WEEK AT THE SAME TIME. SO PEOPLE CAN LINE UP, WELL KNOWN THE MEDICAL SOMETHING THAT IS REALLY IMPORTANT TO THOSE FOLKS THAT DON'T HAVE ANY COVERAGE AT ALL. THIS MAY BE A WAY FOR US TO SPEND A FEW DOLLARS IN TERMS OF ARBOR DOLLARS AND BE ABLE TO ESTABLISH THIS. THE MEDICAL CLINIC WOULD TAKE ON THE COST FOR THE DRIVER AND THE GOOD VOLUNTEER DOCTORS AND NURSES AFTER THE REST. I WANTED TO PASS THIS OUT. TALK TO TROY. CERTAINLY QUALIFIES. WE CERTAINLY COULD GET THIS UP AND RUNNING BEFORE THE DEADLINE WHICH IS NEXT OCTOBER 2024. IF THERE'S ANY DIRECTION FROM THE STAFF OR FROM THE BOARD WE CAN GIVE THAT TO STUFF AND PUT IT ON THE AGENDA GOING FORWARD AND LOOK AT HOW WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO FORMALIZE THAT AND MOVE FORWARD IF EVERYBODY THANKS THAT'S THE WAY TO GO. I PERSONALLY THINK IT WAS A GREAT IDEA. I CREDIT DAWN. ALTHOUGH I DID HAVE THEM A NECESSITY WHEN I SAID, HOW ARE YOU DOING WITH YOUR RELOCATION? I GET THE HINT. I THOUGHT KEYSTONE, CLAY HILL, PARTS OF OAKLEAF, THE NORTH END OF THE COUNTY, GREENE COVE CERTAINLY. YEAH, WE COULD GO DOWN TO VIRGINIA VILLAGE. THOSE FOLKS HAVE PROBABLY NEVER HAVE SEEN THE ABILITY TO GET HEALTHCARE LIKE THAT AND NOT BE CHARGED FOR IT. I THROW THAT OUT THERE AND ASK WHAT WE HAVE IN TERMS OF SUPPORT. WE WILL WORK IT OUT WITH TROY TO BRING IT BACK AT SOME POINT TO FORMALIZE IT. THIS WAS THE PROPOSAL THAT DAWN HAD SENT IN AN ANSWER TO MY QUESTION. >> THE ANSWER A QUESTION I'VE ASKED HIM FOR A LONG TIME. THAT IS, NEW SERVER THOUSAND PEOPLE YEAR THAT'S HONORABLE. YOU DON'T SERVE ANYBODY FOR MY DISTRICT. IT REALLY DOES ADDRESS THAT. LOOKS LIKE ALL THE HEADS ARE NODDING. I WOULD SAY, THERE SEEMS TO BE CONSENSUS. I WOULD SAY WE PROCEED. >> FITTING THAT TROY MENTIONED WHICH IS INTERESTING IS THAT ONCE WE ESTABLISH THIS TALKING POINT FOR WATER, ELECTRICITY AND THOSE KIND OF THINGS. SOME OF THESE OTHER TRAILERS OFFERING FREE MEDICAL HELP OR ASSISTANCE. THEY COULD RUN AND THERE INTO THE SAME THING USING THAT. WE COULD START ESTABLISHING, THIS IS WHERE THIS WILL BE EVERY MONDAY AND WILL BE ABLE TO: AND WANTING TO HAVE THIS IN THE AFTERNOONS YOU HAVE THAT. NOWHERE DOES BEEN ABLE TO GET TO IT. YOU WILL GET SOME FOLKS THAT ARE YOU KNOW, BEFORE THEY GET TO ILL IT WILL SAVE US MONEY IN TERMS OF NOT HAVING TO SPEND MONEY AND TO SEND THEM TO EMERGENCY ROOMS AND THAT, STUFF WITHOUT COVERAGE. >> MAY BE DENTAL SERVICES. I PTHINK ONE OF THE THINGS TROY I REFERRING TO IS THERE A GROUP CALLED A MANUAL PROJECT THAT GOES TO KEYSTONE HEIGHTS. THEY ARE FROM ST. JOHN'S NASSAU COUNTY. ANYWAY. THEY BEEN COMING. I THINK THAT'S GREAT. THANK YOU. >> I WILL TURN IT TO TROY AND LET HIM FIGURE OUT HOW TO BRING THAT BACK TO US SO WE CAN FORMALIZE IT. >> OKAY, PERFECT. DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE? >> I PROBABLY DID. I THINK IT'S LATE ENOUGH TO SAY NEXT. [LAUGHTER] >> COMMISSIONER? >> I WILL FOLLOW THAT LEAD AND KEEP THIS BRIEF. JUST 2 THINGS TONIGHT. I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO HOWARD AND THE TEAM FOR TAKING CARE OF THE GRAFFITI THAT'S NO LONGER AN ISSUE. THAT WAS HANDLED BY THE END OF THE MEAT COME AT THE END OF THE WEEK THE LAST MEETING WE HAD. WE WEREN'T SURE IF THAT WAS GOOD BE COMPLETE AND IT WAS. [04:15:01] THANK YOU. RECEIVE FEEDBACK FROM THE CONSTITUENTS ABOUT IT. THEY NOTICED IMMEDIATELY THAT VERY GRATEFUL FOR OUR ATTENTION TO THE MATTER. THE OTHER ONE IS ANOTHER THANK YOU IS ONE OF MY CONSTITUENTS THAT IS OUTSIDE OF OAKLEAF. HE SENT ME AN EMAIL ASKING ABOUT POTHOLES IN A SPECIFIC LOCATION. HE SENT ME A FOLLOW-UP EMAIL VERY GRATEFUL FOR THE ATTENTIVENESS OF OUR PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT. IF I MIGHT ADD THE EXPEDIENCY ON MARCH THAT WORK WAS DONE. I CAN'T THINK OUR STUFF ENOUGH. IT MAKES THINGS A LOT EASIER WHEN YOU KNOW THAT YOU CAN ASK FOR HELP AND GET IT TIMELY. AGAIN, THANK YOU. THANKS FOR EVERYONE WHO STUCK IT OUT. IT IS A LATE NIGHT, ALMOST 8:38. LOOKING FORWARD TO SEEING YOU ALL AGAIN VERY SOON. P>> THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER BANNEKER? >> 2 THINGS. 1 ABOUT A COUPLE MET JODY. SHE LEFT HERE. I SEE PEOPLE POINT OF THE CHART AND I COULDN'T SEE WHERE THEY WERE POINTING UP THE CHART. SHE USED A LASER POINTER WHICH REALLY IS HELPFUL. MORE IMPORTANTLY I WANT TO THANK EVERYONE, I'VE HAD A FAMILY EMERGENCY COMMITMENT LAST WEEK HAS BEEN TOUGH. WANT TO THANK EVERYONE FOR YOUR PRAYERS, YOUR NOTES, YOUR EMAILS, YOUR CARDS, TO HELP MY DAUGHTER GET THROUGH THIS TRYING TIME. THANK EVERYONE. >> I WAS GOING TO SAY TOUCH A TRAP. THAT IS IT. THANK YOU ALL FOR STICKING IT OUT. I WILL ASK BY THE WAY, I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION. I WILL DIFFERENTLY ASK MILTON AND CHARLIE TO SEE WHAT THEY SAY ABOUT THAT. I CAN GIVE YOU THAT. THAT WAS ALL I HAD. THERE WAS AN ACCIDENT ON 209. I SEE EVERYONE SLOW DOWN. WE JUST HAVE SO MUCH CONSTRUCTION GOING AND COMING OUR WAY. JUST REALLY TRY TO WATCH WHAT'S IN FRONT OF YOU AND GREAT THINGS ARE IN THE FUTURE FOR MY DISTRICT FOR SURE WITH THE CONSTRUCTION. WE WILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH SOME TOUGH TIMES AT FIRST FOR A LITTLE WHILE. ACUTE. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. >> I AGREE. WAS GONNA SAY I DON'T KNOW THE RIGHT ANSWER. CHRIS TELLS ME SOMETHING LIKE 60 PERCENT OF MY DISTRICT, AND 65 AND OVER. I DO HAVE THE APPRECIATION FOR NOT JUST THOSE WHO WERE IN THAT LOW TO MODERATE INCOME LEVEL. ALSO OUR SENIOR CITIZENS WERE FIXED INCOMES. I DON'T KNOW THE RIGHT ANSWER A LOT OF MY LOW INCOME FAMILIES ARE ALSO BIG FAMILIES. IT MIGHT GENERATE MORE TRASH. I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS I TOOK AWAY FROM TONIGHT'S WHILE I DID SUPPORT ONE OF THE INCREASES AND WE ENDED UP PASSING THOSE INCREASES. I TOOK AWAY FROM IT IS WE AS A COMMISSION AND STAFF NEED TO GET READY FOR NEXT YEAR TO DO HER HOMEWORK. TO GET CREATIVE ABOUT FIGURING OUT HOW WE DO THIS. I DON'T EVEN KNOW THAT WE CAN ASSESS AS FAR AS HOMESTEAD EXEMPTIONS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. THEY COME FROM THE STATE. DON'T KNOW IF HE COULD DO ANYTHING DIFFERENT THAT WAY BUT IT'S WORTH PURSUING. APPRECIATE COMING LETTING US KNOW. NOT SURE IT WOULD APPLY TO YOU THE TOWN OF ORANGE PARK. THAT'S ANOTHER QUESTION TO ASSESS. NOW THE CITY OF GREENE COVE SPRINGS IS ALSO QUITE UP ON THEIR TRASH RATES THAT WE UNDERSTAND AS WELL. ANYWAY, THANK YOU FOR THAT. WE APPRECIATE THE PUBLIC INPUT. NO WORK GETTING BASHED ON SOCIAL MEDIA TONIGHT BECAUSE WE APPROVED IT AND THERE WERE PEOPLE THAT SAID IT WAS A DONE DEAL. HERE'S THE THING. WE HAD TO DO SOMETHING TO PREPARE FOR THE NEXT BUDGET YEAR BECAUSE WE ARE OBLIGATED BY COUNTY CHARTER TO HAVE A BALANCED BUDGET. RESPONSIBLE TO PASS THAT. IT DOESN'T MEAN WE DIDN'T HEAR THE PUBLIC AND WE CAN'T DO BETTER GOING FORWARD. THINGS CAN ALWAYS BE CHANGED AND I THINK WE HEARD YOU AND WE APPRECIATE THAT. COMMISSIONER WINOKUR AND I WERE ABLE TO GO TO A RIBBON CUTTING FOR A VERY UNIQUE PROPERTY. TONIGHT WE HEARD ABOUT AN APARTMENT COMPLEX GOING ON WHICH I FULLY SUPPORT ON COLLEGE DRIVE. I THINK IT'S GREAT. WE WENT TO ONE CALLED BRYCE LANDING. IT'S JUST EAST NOT TO FAR EAST OF MIDDLEBURG HIGH SCHOOL ON 220. IT HAS, I WILL TELL YOU ABOUT IT BECAUSE IT'S BEAUTIFUL. IT'S A PITIFUL PIECE OF PROPERTY. AS PALM TREES OUT FRONT. NICE COVERED WAITING AREA FOR THE KIDS TO PICK UP THE BUS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. IT ALSO HAS A LARGE [04:20:22] RESORT STYLE SWIMMING POOL. A COP'S THE CATERING KITCHEN AND BAR. A PLAYGROUND, A DOG PARK, A STATE-OF-THE-ART FITNESS CENTER. MEDIA ROOM, BUSINESS CENTER, PICNIC PAVILION. IT SOUNDS GREAT. DOESN'T IT? IT'S BEAUTIFUL. WE WENT INTO ONE OF THE UNITS IT HAS GRANITE COUNTERTOPS AND SUBWAY TILE BACKSPLASH IS. JULIA'S GORGEOUS. I LIVED THERE. AND HERE'S THE KICKER. IT IS 96 UNITS, 100 PERCENT. LOW TO MODERATE INCOME. IT HAS 36 ONE-BEDROOM APARTMENTS. 48 2-BEDROOM APARTMENTS AND 12 3-BEDROOM APARTMENTS. . 30 OF THOSE UNITSARE FOR EXTREMELY LOW ME FAMILIES OR RESIDENTS QUALIFIED BY INCOME. . THE REST OF THE UNITS ARE AT 60 PERCENT OF THE MODERATE INCOME LEVEL. I GAVE YOU A COPY OF THE PRICING SHEET. I GAVE IT TO CHRISTY TO PUT INTO THE MINUTES. ALSO, I TOOK IT OFF THERE TABLE. YOU STOP BY YOU TOO CAN GET THAT PRICING SHEET. THE PRICING RANGES FROM $380 FOR THE 30 PERCENT INCOME LEVEL FOR THE ONE-BEDROOM APARTMENTS. THE MOST EXPENSIVE APARTMENT FOR THE 3-BEDROOM AT THE 60 PERCENT INCOME IS $1200. IT'S A BEAUTIFUL PROPERTY. THERE POSSIBLY LOOKING TO EXPAND IT THEY CAN OWN THE PROPERTY BEHIND IT. I THINK WE NEED MORE OF THAT KIND OF THING. NOT THAT I DON'T SUPPORT WHAT WE HAVE TONIGHT. I THINK SUSAN'S COMMENTS, I WROTE IT DOWN. I WANTED TO COMPARE IT. NO CRITICISM TO THEM. ONLY 54 OTHER UNITS ARE FOR MODERATE INCOME AND THIS IS 96. 96 FAMILIES. THERE WERE PEOPLE THAT CAME UP. THERE WAS A LADY THAT SPOKE WITH SAID I'M A RECENT WIDOW. BEING ABLE TO LEAVE HERE AND HAVE NO MAINTENANCE. I ALSO SHOW IT TO SAY WE'VE HAD ANOTHER ONE COMING OPEN MY DISTRICT, NATHAN'S RAGE, THAT'S WHERE YOU AND I BORDER EACH OTHER ON OLD JENNINGS. LOTS OF PEOPLE ARE VERY CRITICAL OF THE FACT THAT THEY CALLED IT LOW INCOME HOUSING, HUD HOUSING. IT'S HOUSING FOR PEOPLE WHO WERE ON FIXED INCOMES. IT'S HOUSING FOR PEOPLE WHO DON'T MAKE A TON OF MONEY. IT'S HOUSING FOR OUR EMPLOYEES. IT'S HOUSING FOR YOU WHEN I PRINT I THINK SOME OF THESE COMPLEXES ARE NOT WITH A PICTURE WITH ER. WE HAVE CASSIE GARDENS, NATHAN'S RAGE, MACY CREEK AND ABBY HAVE BRYCE LANDING. >> I RESEARCH THE BRYCE LANDING PEOPLE I KNOW THERE'S A STEREOTYPE PEOPLE THINK BECAUSE OF THAT WAY IT'S GONNA GET RUN DOWN THEN OFF TO TAKE CARE OF IT. BOTH OF THIS COMPANY TAKE GOOD CARE OF THEIR PROPERTIES. WE DEFINITELY NEED MORE LIKE ON OUR COUNTY FOR SURE. >> HUNDRED PERCENT OCCUPIED THE DATE OPEN. IT SHOWS A NEED FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING. >> I ASKED THE LEASING AGENT, SHE SAID IF YOU'RE INTERESTED THOSE LEASES, IN DECEMBER OF THIS YEAR. LOOK AHEAD GET YOUR APPLICATION IN. IF YOU WANT TO BE CONSIDERED WHEN THEY HAVE AN OPENING. AND THEN THE ONLY OTHER THING I WANT TO SHARE WITH YOU WAS WE GOT A LETTER FROM GROSSMAN ERIN BEEN. SHOWING HIS APPRECIATION FOR US INCLUDING HIM IN THE SIGN UNFAILING FOR THE WELCOME TO CLAY COUNTY, TO SCIENCE THAT ARE OAKLEAF BY THE ORANGE PARK MALL IMPLANTING. HE UNDERSTANDS WE ARE WAITING. HE SAYS ONE OTHER CONSIDERATION. I WANTED TO SHARE WITH YOU. HE APPRECIATE THAT HE WANTS TO BE INCLUDED ON FUTURE ONES. I WILL CLOSE THAT WITH SAYING I KNOW THERE ARE QUESTIONS ON SOCIAL MEDIA THAT LAURA AND HER TEAM DID A GREAT JOB ON ANSWERING. THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE ASKED WHY WE ONLY DID THOSE 2 THERE WAS ACTUALLY, I ASKED KIMBERLY MORGAN WAS HER DIRECTOR OF TOURISM. THERE ARE ACTUALLY SEPARATE OTHER SITES UNDER CONSIDERATION. THOSE 2 ARE WHERE WE ON THE PROPERTY. THE OTHERS WE DON'T. TRYING TO SEEK PERMISSION TO PUT THE SIGNS THERE. A NUMBER OF THOSE WERE WAITING ON DOT. FOR INSTANCE, APPLES ROAD AND 17TH, DOT HAS ASKED US TO WAIT UNTIL THEY'RE DONE WITH 295 CONSTRUCTION. AT ANY RATE, THAT'S THE ANSWER TO THAT. IF ANYONE HAS ASKED WHAT WE HAVEN'T MOVE FORWARD ON ANY OF THE OTHER LOCATIONS IF 7 OTHERS ARE UNDER CONSIDERATION. ANYTHING ELSE FOR THE * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.