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>> I HAVE COMPLETED A MARKER DEDICATION FOR CLAY FORT 11 IS
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AND I SENT THAT OVER TO BETH ATTACHING ALL OF THE INFORMATION[00:48:56]
THAT IS REQUIRED NOT FOR THE MARKER ITSELF, BUT JUST SO THAT[00:49:00]
I GUESS THE APPLICATION PROCESS SAYS IS MOVES TO ITS NEXT TIER.[00:49:07]
IS THAT PRETTY MUCH WHAT THE APPLICATION DOES?[00:49:10]
ENOUGH TO IDENTIFY WHY THIS WOULD BE THE PURPOSE FOR THE[00:49:16]
MARKER. AND PULL TOGETHER THE[00:49:28]
INFORMATION OF THE SECOND INDIAN WAR AND THE HISTORICAL CONTENT[00:49:31]
AND WHERE IT IS LOCATED. BUT THERE IS SO MUCH INFORMATION[00:49:36]
ABOUT THIS FORT THAT I JUST -- I IDENTIFIED TWO PAGES OF INFORMATION ABOUT THE -- THE FORT ITSELF AND THEN WHY WESHOULD RECOGNIZE IT. >> EVERY ONE GOT A COPY OF.
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>> IT IS ON THE AGENDA. >> IT SHOULD BE IN WITH YOUR AGENDA. SO I HAVE AN INTRODUCTION THAT, YOU KNOW, WHY IT IS SIGNIFICANT AND WHAT A CRUCIAL ROLE THAT IS
PLAYED IN THE SURROUNDING AREA. >> PAGE 19 OF THE AGENDA.
>> PAGE 19 OF THE AGENDA. AND THEN THE ACTUAL MAP ARE THE AREA OF WHICH THE BUILDING TO YOUR RIGHT HERE IS KEYSTONE HEIGHTS CITY HALL. AND THEN THIS IS THE NATURE PARK. EVERYTHING THAT SURROUNDED IN BLUE IS THE NATURE PARK FOR KEYSTONE HEIGHTS TO THE RIGHT WHERE IT SAYS "LAWRENE BOULEVARD." THAT IS STATE ROAD 21. AND THEN THERE IS PARKING IN THE PARK WHERE IT SAYS CLAY COUNTY PROPERTY APPRAISERS TO THE NORTH
OF THERE ON THAT LINE. >> I THINK WHEN WE START FOCUSING ON WHAT THE MARKER'S CONTENT IS, WILL TRY TO GET A LITTLE MORE PRECISE ABOUT THE HISTORIC EXISTENCE OF THE FORT, BECAUSE I BELIEVE IT WAS ONE THAT WAS BUILT MIDWAY THROUGH THE SEMINOLE WAR. IT IS NICE IF WE CAN NAIL DOWN ACTUALLY WHEN IT WAS OPERATIVE. I BELIEVE IT WAS PART OF GENERAL TAYLOR'S SYSTEM OF SQUARES, AND HE TOOK COMMAND AT THE BEGINNING OF 1839. SO KIND OF HALFWAY THROUGH.
WE WANT TO NOTE THINGS LIKE THAT IF WE CAN.
>> RIGHT. MY UNDERSTANDING THAT -- THAT THE APPLICATION IS KIND OF STEP O ONE. AND, YOU KNOW, AND THEN WE GO FROM THERE. AND -- FORT 11 -- FORT CHRISTMAS, I NEVER HAVE BEEN THERE.
SUPPOSED TO BE -- THEY MADE A REPLICA OF WHAT FORT CHRISTMAS LOOKED LIKE AND APPARENTLY IT WAS SIMILAR TO CLAY FORT 11.
>> DIDN'T BOTHER WITH ARCHITECTS TO MAKE EACH ONE DIFFERENT.
THAT IS TRUE. THEY KIND OF RESEMBLED EACH OTHER. THAT IS TRUE.
A LITTLE MORE COMPLICATED WITH -- I THINK AT ONE TIME OR THE OTHER, THERE WERE TWO FORT CHRISTMASES IN THE COURSE OF THE WAR. ONE WAS FAR AWAY AND THE OTHER WAS CLOSE TO US. ANYWAY, GOOD. SOMETHING TO CHEW ON LATER.
SO IS THERE ANYTHING YOU WOULD LIKE THE BOARD TO DO BY WAY OF ENDORSING THE PROGRESS? OR DO WE WAIT TO SEE WHAT
HAPPENED. >> I WOULD LIKE FOR THE BOARD TO SAY THEY WILL APPROVE OF THIS MARKER.
AND THEN -- AND THEN GOING TO THE NEXT STEP OF FIND WHAT WE WOULD HAVE AS FAR AS -- DOES THIS HAVE TO THEN GO TO THE
STATE AND GET APPROVED, BETH? >> SO IF YOU WERE WANTING TO ASK THAT THE BOARD DO A STATE MARKER MUCH LIKE YOU ARE DOING ALL THESE OTHER STATE MARKERS, THAT WILL BE THE FIRST STEP, THAT THE BOARD APPROVE IT. I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT THAT WE HAVE A NUMBER OF MARKERS IN LINE AHEAD OF IT.
AND WE HAVE THE MIDDLEBURGH SCHOOL, THE SLIM WHITMAN, THE BRANAN FIELD OLF AND THE NEXT ONE ON YOUR AGENDA TO CONSIDER AS WELL. SO BUDGETS -- THESE THINGS TAKE TIME AND SOMETIMES THEY EXTEND PAST A BUDGET YEAR.
JUST GIVING YOU THAT INFORMATION AND LIKE I SAID EARLIER, NO FUNDING HAS BEEN SPENT THIS YEAR.
SO CERTAINLY THE NEXT STEP WOULD BE TO DECIDE AS A BOARD IF YOU WANT TO ADD IT TO YOUR LIST AND MOVE IT FORWARD.
>> IF WE ADD IT TO THE LIST AND MOVED IT FORWARD, WHAT'S -- WHAT IS THE HIERARCHY? IS IT BASED ON WHO PUT IN THE APPLICATION FIRST? OR IS IT -- WHAT IS READY.
SO, FOR EXAMPLE, WITH THE -- WITH THE BRANANFIELD, IF THAT IS A -- IF THAT IS TIED UP, FOR WHATEVER REASON, THEN WOULD THIS MOVE INTO THAT POSITION? I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW.
I AM ASKING. >> I WOULDN'T WORRY ABOUT THAT.
I WOULD THINK AS A PRACTICAL MATTER, THE FIRST ONES THAT ARE READY TO GO BEFORE THE STATE BOARD SHOULD BE LAUNCHED AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. BECAUSE ALMOST INEVITABLY, SOME GET STUCK IN THE PIPELINE AND CAN'T GET THROUGH TO THE NEXT
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YEAR. SO WE SHOULD TRY TO LAUNCH ALL WE CAN IF THEY ARE PROPERLY AWARDED.THAT IS MY OPINION. >> IN A SENSE OF FAIRNESS, YOU COMMITTED TO CERTAIN ONES. AND AS LONG AS THERE IS
MOVEMENT. >> IF ONE IS DEEMED MORE IMPORTANT THAN OTHER AND NOT READY FOR THIS YEAR, THEN WE ARE LOSING GROUND TO BE SITTING AROUND --
>> THAT'S WHY I ASKED THE QUESTION.
PAUSE I DIDN'T REALLY KNOW. >> SO HAVE WE YET TO ENDORSE
THIS PROJECT FORMALLY? >> NO, I DON'T BELIEVE WE HAVE.
>> WE HAVE NOT YET? >> SO WOULD ENTERTAIN SOME SORT OF A MOTION THAT ADDRESSES OUR INTENTION TO GO AHEAD WITH THE
FORT 11 MARKER. >> I WILL MAKE A MOTION.
>> THAT'S RIGHT. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ABOUT THE MERIT OF THE THING? OKAY.
THEN ALL IN FAVOR OF DOING THIS, SAY AYE.
ANY OPPOSED? CONFUSED? GOOD. OKAY, THAT'S --
>> MR. CHAIRMAN, IN THE INTEREST OF MOVING MARKERS FORWARD, SINCE YOU VOTED ON THIS ONE TO GO FORWARD, WOULD YOU LIKE TO LOOK FOR A PROJECT LEAD ON THIS, SOMEONE TO TAKE IT ON?
>> I? >> SOMEONE ON THE BOARD.
>> I WOULD CERTAINLY BE WILLING DO BUT DEIDRE HAS BEEN DOING THE BULK -- WE ARE TALKING OF CLAY FORT NUMBER 11.
I HAVE AN INTEREST -- A STRONG INTEREST IN IT AND I HAVE SOME BACKGROUND IN THE SEMINOLE WAR FORT THING.
I GUESS MORE THAN ONE PERSON CAN BE INVOLVED, YES?
OR MAYBE NOT. >> THAT IS UP TO YOU.
>> THAT WORRIES ME. PAUSE OF THE SUNSHINE.
>> SOMEONE IN CHARGE WORKING ON IT.
>> SO WE WANT TO INCLUDE IN THAT RESOLUTION THAT DEIDRE WILL HAVE THE LEAD ON IT. IS THAT WHAT YOU ARE SUGGEST
SOMETHING IN. >> I AM LOOKING FOR DIRECTION THAT SOMEONE ON THE BOARD IS MOVING IT FORWARD FOR THIS
PROJECT. >> IT IS IN YOUR BACK YARD, THAT IS POINT OF FAVOR. SHE COULDN'T TALK TO ME IN
>> I AM HAPPY TO TAKE ON THIS PROJECT.
>> YOU CAN ALWAYS HAVE A SUBCOMMITTEE TOO.
REMEMBER. >> I WILL RELY HEAVILY ON ANYONE HERE BECAUSE THEY KNOW MORE ABOUT FORT 11 THAN I DO AND I AM
FOLLOWING GET THE BALL ROLLING. >> I CAN DIG OUT STUFF FROM MY ATTIC AND OTHER -- AND RESEARCH PARTNER AND I WORKED FOR YEARS IN THE NATIONAL ARCHIVES.
SEE IF WE CAN PUT TOGETHER USEFUL STUFF TO HAND OVER TO YOU LEGALLY. SO VOTED FOR.
MOVED AND VOTED FOR IT AND DIDN'T SPECIFY DEIDRE -- DO YOU WANT TO AMEND THE RESOLUTION THAT IT SHOULD BE HER?
>> I THINK WE ARE GOOD. >> GOOD.
NOW WE GET TO CITIZEN PRESENTATION OF ST. MARY'S
EPISCOPAL CHURCH MARKER. >> MISS PAT GARLINGHOUSE WHO PRESENTED AN APPLICATION FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION FOR THE CHU CHURCH.
>> IS THIS ON? ST. MARY'S SEE HIS COPAL IN 1879
-- CAN YOU HEAR ME OKAY? >> SOUNDED LIKE YOU SAID 1979.
OKAY. THE CHURCH AND FELLOWSHIP HALL ARE BOTH ON -- AS A CONTRIBUTING SITE FOR THE HISTORIC DISTRICTS OF SUNCOAST SPRINGS AND BOTH BUILDINGS ON THE NATIONAL REGISTER OF HISTORIC PLACES AND WE NEVER APPLIED TO GET A STATES COME. AND WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE YOU ENDORSE THAT. AND I HAVE SIGNED THIS FOR OKAY FOR A ONE-SIDED SIGN. IF IT NEEDS TO BE TWEAKED A BIT, I UNDERSTAND AND I TAKE NO OFFENSE.
I HOPE YOU CONSIDER THAT AND ENDORSE THE STATE HISTORICAL MARKER FOR ST. MARY'S EPISCOPAL CHURCH AND FELLOWSHIP HALL.
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THE FELLOWSHIP HALL INCIDENTALLY WAS FROM CAMP BLANDING AND MOVED TO THE PRESENT SITE AT 400 ST. JOHN'S AVENUE IN THE CAMPUS OF ST. MARY'S EPISCOPAL CHURCH IN THE 1940S AND USED AS A FELLOWSHIP HALL AND SERVES THE COMMUNITY IN MANY CAPACITIES CURRENTLY AND IN THE PAST. SO I THINK MY WRITE-UP ADDRESSES THAT. IT WAS REALLY THE COMMUNITY EFFORT TO MOVE THAT BUILDING FROM CAMP BLANDING WHEN IT USED TO BE THE CHAPEL THERE. AND I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE ANY OF YOU COME BY AND INVITE YOU TO HAVE A VISIT, A TOUR, OF THE TWO BUILDINGS INSIDE. THE WELCOME MAT IS OUT, JUST GIVE ME -- GIVE ME A HEADS-UP WHEN YOU WANT TO DO THAT>> THANK YOU. >> DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?
>> FOR THE RECORD THE PERSON ADDRESSING IS PATR PATRICIA GARLINGHOUSE. A VERY ACTIVE MEMBER OF HISTORIC MATTERS IN THE COUNTY. YES, ANY COMMENTS ON THIS? I WISH THE -- I WISH THE -- WHAT DO YOU CALL IT -- WE CALL IT THE RECTORY IN THE CATHOLIC CHURCH BUT I THINK IT IS A DIFFERENT.
THAT CAN'T BE SAVED, IS THAT THE CONSENSUS, THAT ONE?
>> I DIDN'T INCLUDE THAT. IT WAS BUILT IN 1906.
A LITTLE BLUE HOUSE ACROSS THE STREET AT 405 SAINT JOHN'S.
IT WAS BUILT WITH FUNDING FROM THE CHURCH TO HELP THE MINISTER STAY CLOSER HOME, BECAUSE IT WAS A MISSION CHURCH FOR MANY DECADES. AND HE HAD OTHER CHURCHES ON HIS -- HIS ROUTE. SO THEY THOUGHT IF THEY HAD A PLACE WHERE HE COULD HANG HIS HAT, THEY WOULD SPEND MORE TIME WITH THEM. BUT BACK IN THE LATE 1800S, THAT WAS THE TOURIST ERA OF GREEN COVE SPRINGS AND A NUMBER OF VERY WEALTHY RESIDENTS WHO WINTERED HERE IN GREEN COVE.
AND THE EPISCOPAL POPULATION, I SUPPOSE FROM NEW YORK, MANY OF THEM WERE QUITE WEALTHY AND FUNDED THE CHURCH AT THAT TIME AS WELL AS THE -- A LITTLE BIT LATER THE RECTORY.
BUT, NO, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE RECTORY RIGHT NOW.
IT'S -- IT IS -- IT HAS BEEN EVALUATED BY THE -- BY A STRUCTURAL ENGINEER WHO PRETTY MUCH GAVE IT A DEATH SENTENCE.
BUT I AM HOPING THAT WE RECONSIDER THAT AND BE ABLE TO
SAVE IT. >> IF NOT, PERHAPS FURTHER TWEAKING CAN MENTION WHERE IT WAS.
IT IS STILL THERE NOW. BUT IT MIGHT BE PART OF THE STORY, BUT ANYWAY, YES, OKAY, ANY OTHER COMMENTS ABOUT THIS?
>> I HAVE A QUESTION. HAVE YOU CONTACTED THE GREEN COVE SPRINGS CITY COUNCIL ABOUT THEIR APPROVAL OR THEIR
>> I DON'T THINK IT IS. I WAS JUST WONDER GOING YOU HAD INCLUDED THE CITY, BECAUSE USUALLY MOST THINGS ARE DONE CITY AND THEN COUNTY IF IT IS WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS.
JUST LIKE WITH THE -- >> I SEE WHAT YOU MEAN.
SO IT IS PART OF INCORPORATED GREEN COVE, RIGHT.
>> DID WE -- >> I WAS TRYING TO REMEMBER WHEN WE DID THE INN. WAS THAT A JOINT PROJECT? OR WAS THAT STRICTLY US FOR THE SIGNAGE.
I DON'T REMEMBER. >> I WASN'T WORKING WITH THIS
BOARD AT THE TIME. >> I IS IT NOT GO WITH THE CITY
WITH THAT EITHER. >> THE AUGUSTUS SAVAGE BUT THAT WAS DONE WITHIN THE CITY REQUIREMENTS.
>> THAT IS WHAT I WAS THINKING OF.
>> BUT THE CITY OWNS THAT PROPERTY.
>> DOUBT STRICTLY SPEAKING THAT WE HAVE TO GET THE CITY ON BOARD BUT WE SHOULD, JUST AS A MATTER OF COURTESY.
BUT I DON'T THINK THAT NEEDS TO HOLD US UP TOO MUCH HERE, EXCEPT THAT NOW WE HAVE GOT THIS, I GUESS.
I WOULD SUGGEST THAT EVERYBODY HAS A GOOD LOOK AT THE TEXT AND SEE IF THEY HAVE ANY FURTHER COMMENTS OR TWEAKS OR ALTERNATIVES IN MIND. SO THAT BECK MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS ON A -- ON A -- BUT IS THERE -- I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WHO DO WE -- TO MENTION TO THE CITY THAT WE WANT TO ENDORSE THIS,
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WHICH WE DO, I AM SURE, WHO -- DO WE HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL THE NEXT MONTHLY COUNCIL MEETING OR CAN WE GO TO THE CITY MANAGER RIGHT AWAY AND MAKE HIM AWARE OFIT. >> I CAN WRITE A LETTER TO HIM.
WHATEVER YOU ALL SAY. IS THAT A BARRIER HERE?
>> I DON'T -- I DON'T THINK SO BUT YOU WORK FOR THOSE PEOPLE.
>> I DON'T WORK FOR THE CITY, I WORK FOR THE COUNTY.
I WAS THINKING ALONG JURISDICTION LINES.
THAT IS WHAT I THINK. BUT TO GET THE CITY APPROVAL AND COUNTY APPROVAL IS THE WAY I WOULD DO IT.
BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW THE ACTUAL PROCESS IS SET AROUND HERE FOR
STUFF LIKE THIS. >> YOUR POINT OF THIS OTHER MATTER, I SUPPOSE THAT THE SIGN IF SOMEONE CAN GET IT WOULD BE
SITED ON THE CITY RIGHT-OF-WAY. >> NO, SIR, IT WOULD BE ON THE
CHURCH PROPERTY. >> BUT ENOUGH TO READ FROM THE
ROAD, I HOPE? >> THERE IS AN AREA THERE IN OUR LITTLE GARDEN AREA, WHICH IS CLOSE ENOUGH FOR PASSERBYS TO READ AND DRIVING PAST IT, BUT, YET, IT IS NOT ON THE CITY RIGHT- RIGHT-OF-WAY.
>> WELL, IF YOU LIKE, WHO ELSE LIVES IN GREEN COVE.
I DO. I GUESS -- I COULD TALK TO THE CITY MANAGER IF PEOPLE WANT ME TO AND MAKE SURE THERE ARE NO ISSUES FROM THEIR PAINT OF VIEW ABOUT THIS.
I TONIGHT SEE WHY THERE WOULD BE, BUT JUST TO SATISFY THAT POINT BECAUSE WE USUALLY DO TRY TO TIP-TOE WHEN IT IS
INCORPORATED TERRITORY. >> I WILL CHECK INTO THAT FURTHER. I HAD THAT CONCERN WITH THE KEYSTONE ONE BECAUSE THE CITY'S KEYSTONE.
WITH MISS MURPHY ON THE HERITAGE COMMISSION.
IF THEY WOULD HAVE ISSUE. >> THEY ASKED ME TO THE COME TO THE CITY BECAUSE OUR BUDGET IS SO SMALL, IT WOULD NEVER GET DONE. AND SO WITHOUT COMING TO THE COUNTY, EVERYTHING WILL BE IN LIMBO.
>> I CAN VERIFY AGAIN. CAME ON BOARD AND YOU WERE WORKING ON THE AUGUSTUS SAVAGE. AND I KNOW THE COUNTY WAS A MUTUAL PARTNER ON THAT PROJECT, BUT I CAN JUST MAKE SURE.
>> OKAY, THAT IS GREAT. BECAUSE YOU HAVE CHANNELS
ALREADY HOPEFUL LY. >> I BELIEVE YOU DID THE MARKER FOR THE KEYSTONE INN WILL BE THE CITY OF KEYSTONE.
>> BEFORE MY TIME AS WELL. >> I WAS ON THE BOARD THEN AND I DON'T REMEMBER HAVING ANY CONCERN OR ISSUE.
THE BIG THING WAS HAVING THEM PLACE THE MARKER.
>> WHICH THEY DID. >> TOOK A WHILE.
>> BUT NO CONCERN. >> SHALL WE ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ENDORSE HAVING A MARKER PLACED FOR ST. MARY'S.
AND WE WILL FOLLOW UP ON THE OTHER THINGS AND WE WILL BE LOOKING OVER THE TEXT AND SO FORTH.
>> I WILL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE SHOULD HAVE A MARKER ON THE CHURCH GROUNDS FOR ST. MARY'S EPISCOPAL CHURCH.
>> I SECOND IT. >> INCLUDE THE FELLOWSHIP HALL.
BECAUSE IN THE WRITE-UP, IT INCLUDES ITS FELLOWSHIP HALL AS
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION FROM THE BOARD MEMBERS? ANY FURTHER -- OKAY, THEN I WILL ENTERTAIN A VOTE ON THE MOTION.
ALL IN FAVOR. I DIDN'T HEAR ANY OPPOSITION.
VERY GOOD. WE HAVE GOT A BUNCH OF GOOD STUFF TO -- TO OCCUPY OURSELVES WITH.
>> THANK YOU, BETH PAT. I HOPE EVERYBODY WILL HAVE A LOOK AT THE TEXT AND EVERYTHING AND TRY TO MAKE SURE THAT IT LOOKS GOOD, BECAUSE AS WE JUST TOUCHED ON THIS MATTER, RUNNING OUT OF TIME TO GET THE STATE TO IMPROVE THIS THING IN TIME FOR US TO USE THE MONEY IN OUR BUDGET, BECAUSE A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, IF YOU WERE AROUND FOR THAT.
WE LOST OUR BIGGER BUDGET BY $2,000.
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WELL, DIDN'T USE IT. SO THAT IS SOMETHING.OKAY, CERTIFICATES OF APPROVAL. THAT MYSTERY SUBJECT.
ANY CERTIFICATES OF APPROVAL? NO?
>> I HAVE A COMMENT ON THAT. WHAT IS A CERTIFICATE OF APPROVAL? THEY TELL US ON THE AGENDA BUT I
DON'T -- >> SO ACTUALLY OTHER COUNTIES -- THE TERMINOLOGY SHOULD BE CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS.
AND THIS COUNTY WHEN THEY ADOPTED THE ORDINANCE THEY CALLED IT A CERTIFICATE OF APPROVAL.
I DON'T KNOW WHY. IF YOU HAVE DESIGNATED PROPERTIES THAT THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS DESIGNATED AS HIS I CAN. A PROPERTY OWNER CAME TO YOU.
YOU RECOMMENDED TO THE BOARD. THE BOARD DESIGNATED THEM.
IF THAT PROPERTY OWNER WANTED TO DO SOME RENOVATION, ANY KIND OF WORK ON THAT PROPERTY, YOU ARE BASICALLY TASKED AS BEING THE KEEPERS OF THE ARCHITECTURAL AUTHENTICITY OF THAT BUILDING.
TYPICALLY IN YOUR HISTORIC BOARD SHOULD HAVE AN ARCHITECTURE EXPERT ON BOARD SO THEY CAN REALLY WEIGH IN BUT APPLY FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS AND YOU REVIEW IT PACE BASED ON YOUR EXPERTISE AROUND RECOMMEND IF THAT IS AN ACCEPTABLE RENOVATION IMPROVEMENT TO THE PROPERTY.
WE HAVE NO PROPERTIES THAT ARE DESIGNATED.
BUT SETTING THIS AGENDA FOR WHAT YOUR ROLES ARE, THAT IS WHY IT IS ALWAYS ON THE AGENDA AND SHOULD THERE BE A PROPERTY
DESIGNATED SOME DAY -- >> IN KEYSTONE HEIGHTS.
WE HAVE A FACADE GRANT. AND THEN THEY CAME TO THE HERITAGE COMMISSION AND DESIGN REVIEW BOARD AND FACILITATE WITH THE OWNERS PAINT COLOR OR ARCHITECTURAL CHANGES AND THEN WE RESEARCHED THAT AND WORKED IN CONCERT WITH THE OWNERS OF THE CITY. KIND OF SIMILAR TO THAT.
VERY SIMILAR TO THAT? >> MY UNDERSTANDING THAT MEMBERS OF THIS BOARD CAN DESIGNATE A STRUCTURE THAT IS HISTORIC FOR
ONE UNDERNEATH THAT PROTECTION. >> YOU WOULD HAVE TO BE THE
PROPERTY OWNER. >> THEY HAVE TO INITIATE IT.
>> THEY HAVE TO. >> NO WONDER WE DON'T HEAR FROM THEM. OKAY, SO NONE OF THOSE YET.
PUBLIC COMMENTS? ONLY ONE MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC THAT I SEE, SO. OKAY.
WE HAVEN'T BEEN DENOUNCED OR APPRAISED, SO THAT IS GOOD.
WE GOT PAST THAT SUBJECT. STAFF COMMENTS.
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OKAY. THEN WE -- THEN WE -- NONE.BOARD MEMBER COMMENTS. >> I HAVE A COUPLE ONE, I AM JUST PUTTING THIS OUT THERE SO PEOPLE KNOW.
I WAS AFFORDED THE OPPORTUNITY LAST MONTH OR SOMEWHERE.
THEY LOCATED SHERIFF CHERRY'S HOUSE, THE OLD CRACKER HOUSE THAT HE BUILT BACK IN THE DAY. AND I WAS CALLED BY THE CLAY ARCHIVES TO LET ME KNOW ITS LOCATION AND I WINTER BACK THERE AND I TOOK PICTURES OF IT, INTERIOR AND EXTERIOR.
THAT WAS A THRILL OF A LIFETIME, TO TELL YOU THE TRUTH.
AND SECONDLY, THEY ARE STILL GOING THROUGH DIFFERENT EFFORTS TO MAINTAIN THE HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE OF THE CASTASIN RESIDENCE AND THERE WAS A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS GOING ON WITH THAT, INCLUDING -- INCLUDING WHO WILL BUY THE PROPERTY AND EVERYTHING ELSE. SO BOTH -- I SPOKE WITH MI MISS CASTASIN WHO IS THE MAIN OWNER OF THE HOUSE ALONG WITH HER LITTLE SISTER, AND SHE TOLD ME THAT SHE WANTS -- SHE WILL NOT SELL THE HOUSE TO ANYBODY WHO DOES NOT WANT TO MAINTAIN THE HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE OF THE HOUSE.
THAT MAY COME UP AT A LATER DATE IF WE DISCUSS IT OR WHATEVER.
SHE DOESN'T WANT IT MOVED. THE GUY THAT WAS THINKING OF BUYING THE PROPERTY. HE WANTS TO MAINTAIN IT TOO.
SO AT LEAST WE WON'T LOSE THAT HISTORIC PLACE GOING DOWN THE ROAD DUE TO SOMEBODY WANTING TO DEVELOP THE LAND.
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>> ABOUT THE PROSPECTIVE BUYER SAY HE WANTED TO INCLUDE THAT LOT IN HIS PURCHASE? BECAUSE THE LAST TIME HE TOLD ME
HE DIDN'T WANT TO INCLUDE IT. >> WELL, HE HAS TALKED BOTH WAYS REGARDING THAT SUBJECT. WHATEVER -- WHATEVER BECOMES A NECESSITY FOR HIM TO DO. BUT IF -- IF MAINTAINS THAT PROPERTY OR THE COSTASIN RESIDENCE, EVENTUALLY I AM GOING TO ORGANIZE A GROUP OF ABOUT SIX OR SEVEN PEOPLE TO GO INSIDE AND CLEAN IT UP, DUST IT, AND KEEP IT PRETTY.
AND THEN AT THAT TIME, WE WILL BE TALKING ABOUT WHETHER OR OT THE COSTASIN FAMILY WANTS TO USE THAT AS A MUSEUM AND TAKING PEOPLE ON TOURS OF FOUR, FIVE OR SIX PEOPLE AT A TIME.
LET THEM LOOK INSIDE THE -- BECAUSE THAT -- THAT IS A LOT OF HISTORY RIGHT THERE, YOU KNOW. WHEN YOU TALK OF BUTTERCUP IN THE BACK YARD BACK THERE. AND MAKING CREAM AND BUTTER FROM THAT ONE COW. AND SHARING IT WITH FAMILY AND WINDING UP THAT HUGE DAIRY IS JUST AMAZING.
SO ANYWAY, I JUST WANTED TO KEEP THE BOARD UPDATED OF IT.
AND LET THEM KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON WITH IT, AND HOPEFULLY IT
STAYS PART OF OUR HISTORY. >> POINT OF EXPERTISE FROM -- FROM BETH IS -- NONPROFIT ORGANIZATIONS IN THE COUNTY OR ANYWHERE ELSE, I GUESS, THEY HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO RAISE MONEY TO SUPPORT YOU KNOW, RESTORATIONS OR EVEN PURCHASES
OF HISTORIC PLACES, RIGHT? >> I WOULD THINK SO, CERTAINLY.
THEY COULD ESTABLISH A NONPROFIT FOUNDATION FOR IT.
>> SO IF THEY HAVE THAT STATUS, THEY COULD DO THAT.
GOOD. JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IS ON THE RECORD, BECAUSE I THINK THE ONLY WAY TO GET TRACTION ON SOME OF THOSE THINGS THAT WOULD INVOLVE MONEY IS GETTING -- GETTING TOGETHER WITH PEOPLE WHO HAVE RAISED MONEY SUCCESSFULLY FOR THESE THINGS. AND START IT BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE. BECAUSE IF WE WAIT UNTIL THE SALE HAS HAPPENED, IT IS BASICALLY TOO LATE.
>> I WAS JUST PUTTING OUT THERE TO KEEP PEOPLE INFORMED OF WHAT COULD OR COULD NOT HAPPEN. ANYWAY, THAT IS ALL I HAD TO SAY. I WANTED EVERYBODY -- ESPECIALLY THE SHERIFF CHERRY'S HOUSE. THAT WAS JUST AMAZING.
>> ANY PROSPECT OF, YOU KNOW, HAVING THAT SAVED?
>> I WENT -- I WENT BACK THERE AND I TOOK A BUNCH OF PICTURES OF THE HOUSE, EXTERIOR AND INTERIOR, AND I POSTED IT ON THAT FACEBOOK HISTORY GROUP. SO PEOPLE CAN LOOK AT IT AND SEE ABOUT IT. AND ONE OF THE PEOPLE THAT COMMENTED ON THAT -- ON THAT POST WAS A LADY NAMED ADAA CHERRY, SHE WAS THE GRANDDAUGHTER AND I THINK SHE
STILL OWNS THE PROPERTY. >> STILL OWNS THE PROPERTY?
>> I BELIEVE SO, YEAH. IF SHE DOES, I DON'T KNOW.
I WILL TALK TO HER WHAT THE OPTIONS ARE AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
BECAUSE THAT -- YOU KNOW -- BACK IN THAT PROPERTY BACK THERE, ONLY THREE OR FOUR TRAILERS. AND THE ONLY STRUCTURE BACK THERE IS THAT OLD FLORIDA CRACKER HOUSE.
AND I COMPARED THEM AND DID THE -- THE GRAPHICAL LAYERS OF THE OLD SHERIFF CHERRY HOUSE THAT WE HAD WHERE THEY WERE ALL SITTING ON THE FRONT PORCH AND THE ONE BACK THERE NOW AND THEY ADDED A SECOND FLOOR TO IT AND THE EXACT STAPLE HOUSE ON THE EXACT SAME PLOT OF LAND ACCORDING PLANAR CHIVES.
>> BY THE WAY, IS THAT HOUSE ALSO WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS.
>> NOT IN THE CITY LIMITS, NO. >> IF IT IS, MIDDLEBURGH CITY
LIMITS. >> OH, THAT IS BETTER.
>> THE CITY DOESN'T GO OUT THAT FAR.
>> ALONG 220, UNINCORPORATED. >> A COUPLE OF PROBABLY -- ALMOST TWO YEARS AGO NOW, A GRAND-NEPHEW REACHED OUT WANTING TO PROTECT THE PROPERTY, BUT HE IS NOT A PROPERTY OWNER.
AND AT THAT TIME, HE WAS TALKING THERE WAS GOING TO BE A SALE OF THE PROPERTY, THAT THEY WERE LOOKING TO SELL -- THE CURRENT OWNER AT THE TIME WAS LOOKING TO SELL IT --
>> THEY UNDERCUT HOW MUCH ACREAGE IT INVOLVES?
>> I AM NOT SURE. >> THERE IS ALWAYS SOMETHING.
>> I JUST FOUND IT REALLY INTERESTING, YOU KNOW.
>> YEAH. AT LEAST WE WILL HAVE A FEW PICT PICTURES.
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ANY OTHER -- >> I WOULD JUST LIKE TO MENTION THAT ON SUNDAY, I HAD THE GOOD PLEASURE OF GOING TO OUR COUNTY MUSEUM AND RANDY AND MELISSA WERE THERE.
AND RANDY, YOU WERE BOTH SO GRACIOUS AND KNOWLEDGEABLE AND THEY GAVE ME A TOUR OF THE JAIL. AND I LOOKED AROUND THE MUSEUM.
IT IS AMAZING EVERYTHING THAT IS THERE.
FANTASTIC. I AM GOING TO GO BACK AGAIN AND AGAIN. BECAUSE THERE IS JUST SO MUCH
HISTORY THERE. >> APPRECIATE THAT.
>> MOST PEOPLE -- THEY WANT TO TOUR THE OLD HAUNTED JAIL.
>> THAT WAS COMPLETELY CREEPY. >> YEAH, IT WAS.
AND REALLY INTERESTING ESPECIALLY ALL THE HISTORY GOING
ON THERE. >> I HAD NO IDEA THERE WAS TO
MANY PRISONERS AT THAT JAIL. >> SIX EXECUTIONS AND THREE
SUICIDES. >> EXECUTIONS -- THEY WERE HUNG IN THE FRONT YARD. BASICALLY.
>> WELL, SORT OF THE BACK YARD. >> OR THE BACK YARD.
HOWEVER YOU WANT TO SEE IT. RIGHT THERE.
IT WAS INCREDIBLY INTERESTING. YOU JUST HAVE NO IDEA.
YOU DRIVE PAST THAT ALL THE TIME.
AND IT WAS AMAZING HISTORY HERE. >> WE HAVE PEOPLE COME IN ALL THE TIME SAYING I DRIVE HERE EVERY DAY AND NEVER STOP BY.
LOOK AROUND HERE. THIS IS AWESOME.
EVERY SUNDAY FROM 2 TO 5, WE ENTERTAIN, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE AND TO TOURS.
>> THEY WERE BOTH FANTASTIC. >> SHOWING THAT PLACE AND A LOT
OF NEAT STUFF THERE. >> VERY GOOD.
I HAVE A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT I WOULD LIKE TO MENTION.
ONE CAME -- CAME ACTUALLY BY WAY OF THE COUNTY HISTORICAL SOCIETY. WE -- WE BELATEDLY RECEIVED A PACKET FROM A -- I GUESS -- WHAT WOULD YOU CALL THEM, CIVIL ENGINEERS OR SOMETHING? ANYHOW, THEY WERE WORKING ON AN EXISTING TOWER. BUT -- BUT THEY ARE FROM OUT OF STATE SO THEY HAD THE IDEA TO GET SOMEBODY'S PERMISSION TO GO FORWARD WITH IT. THAT THERE WASN'T ANY OTHER KIND OF HISTORICAL CONSIDERATION. BY THE TIME THEY REACHED US, IT WAS PAST THE TIME THEY ALLOWED US AND A MOOT POINT.
DID REMIND ME THAT WE NEED TO BE CLEAR ON.
ARE THERE EXISTING RULES IN PLACE WITH REGARD TO SOME DEVELOPER OF PROPERTY, ESPECIALLY IF IT IS -- IF IT DOESN'T EVEN HAVE A STRUCTURE ON IT.
DO THEY HAVE TO SUBMIT SOME SORT OF A MOTHER MAY I AND ARCHAEOLOGY THING TO THE COUNTY OR ANYBODY.
BECAUSE WE NEVER SEE IT ORDINARILY.
>> AND YOU WOULDN'T NECESSARILY. THE -- WHEN THEY ARE DOING THEIR RESEARCH INTO THE PROPERTY, THERE WAS ONE PROPERTY THAT WAS RECENTLY DEVELOPED OVER ON COUNTY ROAD 220.
AND WHEN THEY STARTED DOING THEIR INVESTIGATION INTO THE PROPERTY, THEY DISCOVERED THAT THERE WAS A CEMETERY ON THE SITE. THERE WERE OTHER HISTORIC SIGNIFICANT AIR GRASS ON THE SITE.
THAT, I BELIEVE, WAS ALL PROTECTED THROUGH THEIR ENVIRONMENTAL RESOURCE PERMIT THAT BASS ALL DISCOVERED DURING THAT INITIAL PROCESS THAT THEY WERE, YOU KNOW, WORKING UP THEIR PROJECT. SO TO WERS DO SEND ME INFORMATIN THAT THEY ARE LOOKING TO LOCATE A TOWER.
I DO GET THE E-MAILS ON THOSE AS WELL AS SOMETIMES THEY WILL SEND OUT A LETTER. SO TO CHECK AND SEE IF THERE IS
HISTORICAL IMPACT. >> BUT ALL OF THIS -- OF COURSE -- ALL AROUND US, YOU KNOW, THESE DEVELOPMENTS ARE BEING -- JUST OVERWHELMING BLOSSOMING OF SUFF WITH BULLDOZERS AND WORK ON EVERY MAJOR ROAD, IT SEEMS. SO DOES THE COUNTY REGULARLY GET NOTICES OF THESE THINGS? OR IS IT ALL SORT BY
HAPPENSTANCE. >> FOR THE YOU TOOERS, WE DO GET THE NOTICE. THE REST, NO, WE DON'T.
WE HAVE A MAP OF HISTORIC SITES THAT ARE ON THE MASTER LIST.
AND WE -- WE REFER TO THAT, BUT, NO, BEYOND THAT.
>> HOW DOES THE COUNTY KNOW SOMETHING --
>> PHASE 1 ENVIRONMENTAL STUDY. IF THAT DOESN'T PASS MUSTER,
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THEN THEY DO A PHASE 2, AND THAT USUALLY BRINGS UP ANY KIND OFCEMETERY OR ARCHITECTURAL. >> PAY LOT OF THINGS ARE NOT YET KNOWN UNTIL THEY ARE LOOKED INTO BY AN ARCHAEOLOGIST.
SO, YOU KNOW, I WOULD LIKE TO FIND OUT HOW WE COULD HAVE A BETTER HEADS UP IN ADVANCE OF THESE THINGS BEFORE IT'S -- YOU KNOW, BEFORE IT IS ALREADY DONE. SINCE THAT IS PART OF OUR MISSION SUPPOSEDLY TO TRY TO, YOU KNOW, PRESERVE THIS
HISTORICALLY SIGNIFICANT PLACES. >> RIGHT.
THAT DOESN'T ACTUALLY COME UP -- COME TO YOU IF THERE IS AN ITEM.
DEIDRE BEING A REALTOR, YOU ARE FAMILIAR WITH THAT WITH YOUR WORK. SO THAT -- THAT IS HOW IT IS
DISCOVERED. >> SO WHO DOES IT GO THROUGH FIRST? YOU SEEM TO HAVE SOME EXPERIENCE
OF IT. >> WELL, THEY WILL -- WHEN THAT COMES UP, THEN THEY REPORT IT, BUT IT IS -- IT IS NOT NECESSARILY HISTORICAL. IT WILL PROBABLY BE AT THE COUNTY LEVEL. SOMEBODY AT THE COUNTY COMMISSION THAT WILL SAY, MAYBE THE PRESERVATION BOARD SHOULD TAKE A LOOK AT IT. WOULD IT -- I MEAN, I NEVER HAD
THAT SITUATION. >> WE HAD NOT HAD IT COME UP.
THIS ONE PROJECT WAS GOING TO BE -- THEY TOLD US THEY WERE GOING TO BE APPLYING FOR MARK MARKERS BUT THEY WERE AWARE OF THE FACT THERE WAS HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE TO THE PROPERTY AND THEY WERE PROTECTING IT. THEY HAD AN ARCHAEOLOGIST ON-SITE WHEN THEY WERE DOING ANY KIND OF EXCAVATION.
SO THEY WERE SAFEGUARDING. >> IF MEMBERS OF THE BOARD ARE AWARE OF THE HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE OF SOME PARCEL.
WHAT DO WE DO? CAN WE ASK THE BOARD OF
COMMISSIONERS? >> IF YOU KNOW OF SOMETHING AND YOU ARE AWARE THAT THERE IS DEVELOPMENT BEING PROPOSED FOR THE AREA, CERTAINLY REACH OUT TO ME AND LET US KNOW.
REACH OUT TO THE -- TO THE -- TO OUR OFFICE.
>> OKAY. AND ANOTHER THING DISH CAN'T EVEN READ MY OWN WRITING HERE. THE OTHER ONE IS, WHAT WOULD BE -- I GUESS YOU COULD CONSULT WITH THE COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. IF WE WANT TO REFORM SOME OF THE LANGUAGE OF THE SUNSHINE LAW AND WE OUGHT TO, HOW DO YOU -- WHAT IS STEP ONE TO THIS PROCESS. BECAUSE NOBODY ELSE SEEMS TO WANT TO TOUCH IT, AND YET IT NEEDS TO BE DONE IF WE ARE GOING
TO REALLY FUNCTION EFFECTIVELY. >> THAT IS STATUTE.
THAT IS THE STATE LEVEL. >> HMM?
>> FLORIDA STATUTE. WOULD YOU NEED TO -- IT IS STATE STATUTE AND HAVE TO CHANGE THE STATE LAWS.
>> WRITE TO YOUR STATE SENATOR AND THAT'S IT?
>> YOU WOULD NEED FOR HIM TO CHAMPION YOUR REQUEST.
[LAUGHTER] >> BECAUSE, I MEAN, IT IS SO RIDICULOUS BECAUSE THAT THING WAS WRITTEN IN THE DAYS BEFORE THE INTERNET, FOR EXAMPLE, WHEN WE PASSED INFORMATION BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN -- BETWEEN BETH'S OFFICE AND THIS BOARD, EVERYTHING RECITES IN THE E-MAIL SAYING THIS IS -- THIS IS SUBJECT TO PUBLIC OBSERVATION, SCRUTINY, ETC.
AND BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU DO. IF WE WERE -- IN AN EFFECTIVE LAW, IT ACTUALLY ALLOWS FOR US TO GET ON WITH OUR WORKS.
THEY SAY, ALL RIGHT, BE AWARE OF THIS AND ONLY USE THIS MEANS OF COMMUNICATION, BUT THEN YOU CAN DISCUSS IN THE MEANTIME BECAUSE IT IS SUBJECT TO PUBLIC OVERSIGHT.
IT IS NOT A SECRET ANYMORE IF IT IS SON THIS PUBLIC INTERNET COMMUNICATION. SO IT IS REALLY KIND OF BACKWARD NOW THAT WE HAVE TO BE TIED DOWN WITH THIS THING WHERE YOU USED TO JUST MAKE PHONE CALLS AND ASK STUFF TO EACH OTHER.
>> I WOULD BE HAPPY IF I JUST HAD EVERYONE'S PHONE NUMBER TO TEXT THEM AND ASK THEM IF THEY ARE GOING TO BE HERE BEFORE I
DRIVE AN HOUR. >> ACTUALLY WE USED TO DO THAT.
>> THAT WOULD BE SIMPLE FOR ME. >> AND I HAVE REQUESTED IT.
AND I HAVE GOTTEN SOME RESPONSES.
IF I KNOW THERE IS NO QUORUM, I WOULD DEFINITELY LET YOU KNOW.
I KNEW OF ONLY TWO MEMBERS -- >> YOU DID GREAT.
>> TWO, THREE MEMBERS. I CAN ASSUME THE SUBCOMMITTEE WAS GOING TO BE HERE SO I WAS HOPING THAT THREE MEMBERS AT LEAST WOULD BE THERE AND I KNEW COUPLE OTHERS THAT WOULD BE HERE AND TWO THAT WERE NOT. I WAS PRETTY SURE WE WERE GOING
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TO HAVE A QUORUM. I UNDERSTAND, YOU ARE COMING FROM A LONG DISTANCE, AND WOULD BE NICE TO KNOW.>> YEAH, BUT REALLY TO GET THE WORK ADVANCED THE WAY IT OUGHT TO BE SOON ENOUGH TO MEET THIS YEA YEAR'S CLOSE-OUT, WE OUGHT TO BE ABLE TO CHECK -- PUT OUT MORE INFORMATION. WE USED TO OPERATE UNDER A -- UNDER SOMEWHAT MORE REASONABLE RULE WHICH WAS THAT AS LONG AS INDIVIDUAL MEMBERS DID NOT TALK TO EACH OTHER ON THE INTERNET E-MAIL CHAIN, WE COULD SEND THINGS -- BECAUSE I THINK THIS.
AND NOBODY WAS SUPPOSED TO COMMENT ON IT, BECAUSE THEN IT DOESN'T BECOME A DISCUSSION. BUT APPARENTLY THAT HAS BEEN TIGHTENED UP SINCE THEN SO THAT WE CAN'T TALK AT ALL EXCEPT TO
-- YEAH, SO I DON'T KNOW. >> THEY HAVE UPDATE IT TO
INCLUDE E-MAIL INTERACTION. >> YEAH, IT SHOULD -- YEAH, BUT IT -- THEY DO IT, YOU KNOW, FROM A LESS USEFUL WAY SAYING YOU
CAN'T. >> HOWEVER, WITH THE SUBCOMMITTEE MEETINGS, WE WERE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD PRETTY QUICKLY ON THE MARKER FOR BRANAN FIELD.
BECAUSE WE HAD TWO SUBCOMMITTEE MEETINGS AND WE WERE ABLE TO KNOCK OUT THE VERBIAGE MUCH QUICKER HAD WE ONLY MET HERE AND SPENT HOURS GOING THROUGH IT. SO THERE IS -- YOU KNOW, THERE IS A METHOD THAT WE CAN USE TO MOVE THINGS QUICKLY IF YOU ARE WORKING ON IT AS A GROUP. AS LONG AS THERE IS MORE THAN ONE PERSON TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, MAKE THE -- MAKE THE CHANGES.
AND, YOU KNOW, WE CAN SET UP SUBCOMMITTEE MEETINGS FOR
ANYTHING, CORRECT? >> THAT IS A GOOD POINT.
MAYBE SET UP A FORT 11 SUBCOMMITTEE.
>> YOU BECHA, IMMEDIATELY. >> WE HAVE TO RECOGNIZE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SIMPLY TALKING ABOUT HISTORY OR TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING THAT MIGHT BE A PERSPECTIVE PROJECT FOR -- FOR US. BECAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE JUST LIKE TO TALK ABOUT HISTORY. AND, YOU KNOW, NOT NECESSARILY GOING TO PUT A MARKER THERE OR ANYTHING ELSE.
SOMEBODY JUST POSTED PICTURES CAN OF THE SOUTER CEMETERY.
I HAVE BEEN BACK THERE TWICE AND TOOK ALL KIND OF PICTURES AND EVERYTHING ELSE. BUT THIS PERSON WAS THERE LAST WEEK AND FOUND A SPENCER RIFLE. WHERE IN THE HECK THEY FOUND THAT, I HAVE NO IDEA, BUT THAT WAS -- I DON'T KNOW, TO ME, THAT WOULD TAKE A LITTLE BIT OF DIGGING.
BUT ANYWAY. SO THAT'S ALL I HAVE.
>> I JUST WAS ABLE TO DECIPHER THE OTHER THING I COULDN'T READ EVEN THOUGH IT WAS MY OWN WRITING.
COUNTY SIGNAGE. NOT SO LONG AGO, WE WERE GIVEN TO UNDERSTAND THAT IF IT IS A COUNTY SIGN, HARDLY -- JUST THE NAME OF THE THING. AND MAYBE A DATE OR TWO AND THAT IS ALMOST AS MUCH AS THEY WANTED TO ALLOW.
IS THAT SET IN STONE? OR IS THAT --
>> WELL, YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A MARKER AND JUST A SIGN -- AN INFORMATIONAL SIGN THAT TELLS A STORY AND JUST THE HISTORICAL -- OR A -- A MARKER LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, THE LYNYRD SKYNYRD PRACTICE HOUSE OFF OF RUSSELL ROAD. BECAUSE YOU CAN'T ACTUALLY GET BACK TO THE SITE. A SIMPLE SIGN WITH A COUNTY LOGO OR THING SAYING SITE OF -- THIS AREA IS NEAR THE SITE OF LYNYRD SKYNYRD'S PRACTICE HOUSE. SOMETHING SHORT AND SWEET.
BUT NOW IF YOU ARE TALKING OF A CIVIL WAR BATTLE LIKE OUT THERE, THEN YOU CAN'T -- YOU CAN'T REALLY PUT, YOU KNOW, TEN OR 12 SENTENCES ON THERE BECAUSE IF IT IS GOING TO BE RIGHT OFF THE R ROAD, THERE IS -- THERE IS -- IT IS SUPPOSED TO BE FOR YOU TO LET THE PUBLIC KNOW THAT THIS -- THIS IS AN INTERESTING AREA. NOT TO TELL THE WHOLE STORY.
BECAUSE THEY ARE GOING 45 MILES PER HOUR DOWN THE ROAD.
AND THEY ARE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO SEE IT.
AND THERE IS NO -- THERE IS NO PLACE FOR THEM TO REALLY PULL OVER TO STOP AND READ THE THING. SO THAT -- THAT BECOMES A QUESTION. DO YOU WANT TO MARK IF SO THEY KNOW THAT THERE IS A HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE TO THE AREA? OR DO YOU WANT TO, YOU KNOW, GO OFF THE RIGHT-OF-WAY A LITTLE
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BIT AND PUT IN A -- A TRUE INFORMATIONAL SIGN?>> WELL, WHEN -- WHEN THE SUBJECT WAS LAST DISCUSSED AT ANY LENGTH WHICH WAS A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, I BELIEVE, WE WERE GIVEN TO UNDERSTAND THAT IF WE ENDORSE AND GET A COUNTY HISTORIC MARKER SET UP, WHICH HAS VERY LIMITED WORDING, AS YOU SAY, THEY WERE GOING TO AT LEAST PUT AT THE BOTTOM OF EACH SIGN A LINK FOR MORE INFORMATION THAT PEOPLE INTERESTED COULD GO ONLINE TO THE COUNTY'S SITE AND READ MORE ABOUT THAT TOOK PLACE, BUT I HAVEN'T SEEN THAT BEING DONE IN FACT FOR THE COUNTY
SIGNS. >> THAT I DON'T -- I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THAT. I MEAN, IT IS SOMETHING THAT IF WE CAN WORK WITH THE I.T. DEPARTMENT AND WEB SITE, CLAY COUNTY WEB SITE PEOPLE, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE COULD DO.
I MEAN, JUST LIKE -- LIKE LAKE ASBURY BATTLE SITE.
CLAY COUNTY HISTORICAL AREA 21. AND THEN HAVE A IT LINKED TO THE COUNTY WEB SITE THAT WILL TELL YOU ALL ABOUT THE -- THE BATTLE,
DATES, AND -- >> BUT APPARENTLY WHOEVER MAINTAINS THAT WEB SITE IS NOT YOUR OUTFIT, RIGHT?
>> ISN'T TOURISM ORGANIZING THAT WITH THE LOCATIONS AND YOU GO ONLINE. YOU HAVE YOUR PASSPORT, SO YOU CAN GET MORE INFORMATION. IT HAS ALL THE LINKS.
>> BUT IF IT HAS NOT HAPPENED, CAN WE ASK BETH TO LOOK INTO HOW IS THIS ONLINE INFORMATION GENERATED TO MATCH UP WITH THESE COUNTY MARKERS, BECAUSE IT COULD HELP.
>> I BELIEVE THAT WHEN KIMBERLY DID HER PRESENTATION, SHE WAS ALL TOO HAPPY TO HAVE YOU -- IF Y'ALL WANTED TO HELP WRITE SOME OF THIS, THEY ARE ALWAYS LOOKING FOR PEOPLE TO ASSIST, BUT THEY HAVE THEIR PASSPORT PROGRAM AND THEY HAVE MANY DIFFERENT TOURS, IF YOU WANT TO DO A COFFEE TOUR. AND BASED ON YOUR INTEREST.
AND PART OF THAT IS ALSO HISTORIC PROPERTIES.
SO I CAN CHECK WITH HER. I KNOW -- I DON'T KNOW IF YOU SHARED IT WITH ME OR WHETHER KIMBERLY DID.
AN ATTEMPT TO PUT TOGETHER A SIGN THAT WOULD BE A CLAY COUNTY MARKER OF SORTS, BUT MY UNDERSTANDING WAS THAT IT WAS NOT APPROVED ARE, BYOU ARE RIGH, ONLY SO MUCH YOU CAN PUT ON THE SIGNS. A QR CODE OR A LINK TO GO TO FURTHER INFORMATION WHEN YOU ARE GOING BY AT 45 MILES PER HOUR.
YOU DEFINITELY DON'T WANT TO ENCOURAGE SOMEBODY TO GET OFF
THE ROAD AND LOOK AT A QR CODE. >> THEY WILL DO THAT IF THEY HAVE A STATE MARKER THEY CAN GO OUT.
>> WITH A STATE MARKER, YOU ARE STOPPED.
YOU ARE LOOKING AND READING THE TEXT OF THE MARKER AND CERTAINLY A QR CODE IS EASY TO LOOK AT AT THAT POINTS.
>> IN ANY CASE, THESE MARKERS NEED TO HAVE THE THING ON THE SIGN SO THERE IS SOMETHING THEY KNOW WHERE THEY HAVE TO GO TO GET THAT ONLINE INFORMATION. RIGHT NOW THEY DON'T HAVE ANYTHING AT ALL EVEN THOUGH WE WERE TOLD THAT WILL BE THE
STANDARD. >> IN YOU GO TO EXPLORE CLAY, P THERE. THEY PUT OUT THE MAGAZINE.
WE HAVE SOME DOWN IN THE LOBBY USU USUALLY. YOU CAN LOOK AT THE DIFFERENT RESOURCES THEY HAVE. TOURISM IS YOAWESOME OF PROMOTE WHAT WE HAVE, A FACILITY YOU CAN RENT, A SPORTS VENUE OR THEY HAVE THESE DIFFERENT TOURS YOU CAN PUT TOGETHER A PASSPORT
BUT IF YOU WERE DRIVING ALONG AND SEE THE SIGN AND PIQUES YOUR CURIOSITY. THE SIGN SAYS WHERE YOU NEED TO GO FOR MORE INFORMATION. RIGHT NOW THERE IS NOTHING.
>> DULY NOTED. I WILL CERTAINLY CHECK WITH KIMBERLY AND SEE WHERE WE ARE ON THAT AND GET IN TOUCH WITH BILLY
OKAY. I THINK WE HAVE RUN THIS MEETING INTO THE GROUND. ANY OTHER COMMENTS FOR GOOD OF
THE -- >> YOU MIGHT WANT TO MOVE --
>> WHAT? >> YOU MIGHT WANT TO MOVE YOUR
PHONE BEFORE YOU HIT THE GAVEL. >> BEFORE I SMASH IT TO BITS? YEAH. [LAUGHTER] OKAY. ALL RIGHT, SO THIS
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