[CALL TO ORDER]
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BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT MEETING FOR JULY 27, 2023 TO ORDER. FIRST ITEM WE HAVE ON THE AGENDA IS THE APPROVAL OF MINUTES FROM THE LAST MEETING WHICH WAS JUNE 22. WHY HAVE QUESTIONS OR
COMMENTS OR A MOTION FOR APPROVAL. >> MOTION TO APPROVE.
>> I SECOND. >> A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR SAY I APPEARED ON THE POST? 4 ÃCMAC. IT PASSES. NEXT ITEM IS FIRST OF 2 PUBLIC COMMENT TIMES FOR ANYBODY THAT IS IN THE PUBLIC HERE CAN TALK ABOUT ANYTHING THEY WANT TO THAT'S ON THE AGENDA OR NOT ON THE AGENDA. I WILL OPEN THAT AND SEEING NO ONE FORWARD COMING TO TALK I WILL CLOSE IT.
[1. Public Hearing to consider Application BOA 0623-0015; Variance to Section 3-33A.III.5.i of the County Land Development Code.]
OW I WILL MOVE TO OUR FIRST PUBLIC HEARING WHICH IS FOR BOA 0623-0015; VARIANCE WITH THAT I WILL TURN IT OVER TO MIKE BROWN. YOU'RE NOT ON. NOW I CANHEAR YOU. [LAUGHTER]. >> CHAIRMAN AND BOARD. THE APPLICANT IS BLACK CREEK LIMITED. AGENT, ENGLAND THAMES AND MILLER. MR. BRAY IS HERE AS AGENT. PARCELS LOCATED AT 8214 ALDERMAN ROAD. IT'S IN THE BRANDON FIELD PUD ZONING DISTRICT. WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE BRANDON FIELD MASTER PLAN VILLAGE ZONE. THE REQUEST IS INCREASE THE MAXIMUM BUILDING HEIGHT FROM 45 TO 50 FEET. 45 FEET TO 50 FEET. HERE IS AN AERIAL OF THE PARCEL. THIS LINE SHOWS YOUTHE LAND USE ON ONE SIDE AND THE USUALLY DON'T SHOW THAT. WANTED TO. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO THE DISCUSSION. AS YOU CAN SEE THE MAJORITY OF THE PARCEL IS COVERED BY THE BRANDON FIELD PCN. WHICH IS A PROTECTION USE IN BRANDON FIELD. THE DEVELOPMENT AREA FOR THIS PARCEL AND THE SUBJECT DEVELOPMENT IS LOCATED IN THE UPPER NORTH EAST PORTION, AND BRANDON FIELD PLANNED COMMUNITY. LAND USE. THE SITE PLAN IS PROVIDED ON YOUR LEFT OF THIS SLIDE. THE SUBJECT PARCEL, AGAIN, HAS 2 DESIGNATIONS FOR THE ZONING TO BRANDON FIELD PRIMARY CONSERVATION NETWORK AND THE DEVELOPMENT PORTION WHICH IS THE BRANDON FIELD MPC. THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT INCLUDES MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT, APPROXIMATE 328 DWELLING UNITS. IN 6 BUILDINGS. THE BRANDON FIELD DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS ALLOW FOR A MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF 45 FEET. MEASURED FROM THE FINISHED FLOOR ELEVATION TO THE MAIN HEIGHT. AVERAGE HEIGHT WHICH IS DEFINED IN THE BRANDON FIELD MASTER PLAN AS THE AVERAGE HEIGHT BETWEEN THE BUILDING EVE AND THE PEAK OF THE ROOF. ACCORDING TO THE INFORMATION SUPPORTING THE APPLICATION, THE PROJECT HAS BEEN DESIGNED TO LIMIT IMPACTS TO THE EXISTING LENS. AND TO AVOID THE CONSERVATION NETWORK.
STAFF FINDS THE REQUEST TO INCREASE TO MAXIMUM HEIGHT IN THE MASTER PLAN COMMUNITY BRANDON FIELD CATEGORY IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. THERE IS NO UNDUE HARDSHIP PLACED ON THE APPLICANT RESULTING FROM THE ORDINANCE. THEREFORE STAFF RECOMMENDS AGAINST OR DENIAL OF THE REQUESTED TO INCREASE BUILDING HEIGHT FROM 45 Ã50 FEET. THERE ARE 6 CRITERIA ON WHICH TO JUDGE A VARIANCE. I WILL BRIEFLY TOUCH EACH OF THOSE. THE PARCEL, THE SPECIAL CIRCUMSTANCES, THE PARCEL DOES HAVE EXTENSIVE WETLANDS. WITH
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ONLY THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF THE PARCEL SUITABLE FOR DEVELOPMENT. AGAIN, THE APPLICANT HAS DESIGNED THE PROJECT TO LIMIT IMPACT TO WETLANDS. THE EXISTING WETLANDS AND PCN DESIGNATION LIMIT THE ABILITY TO SPREAD DEVELOPMENT OUT AND RESULT IS A NEED TO CLUSTER DEVELOPMENT IN THE NORTHWEST PORTION OF THE PROJECT. THE SPECIAL CONDITIONS OF THE WETLANDS ARE NOT ARE NOT A RESULT OF ANY ACTION BY THE APPLICANT. THE GRANTING OF THE VARIANCE WILL ALLOW FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE PARCEL WITH BUILDING HEIGHT OF 50 FEET. THIS WOULD BE A SPECIAL PRIVILEGE OVER OTHER PARCELS. IN THE BRANDON FIELD MASTER PLAN COMMUNITY LAND USE AND ZONING. A LITTLE INTERPRETATION OF THE ORDINANCE WITH THEM AT THE HEIGHT TO 45 FEET. HOWEVER, IT WOULD NOT DEPRIVE APPLICANT OF ANY RIGHTS THAT OTHERS IN THE SAME ZONING DISTRICT ENJOY. THE BRANDON FIELD MASTER PLAN COMMUNITY PORTION OF THE DEVELOPMENT, OF THE PARCEL CAN BE DEVELOPED WITH MULTIPLE FAMILY UNITS HAVE REQUIRED THE STANDING UNITS OF THE BUILDING HEIGHT. ACCORDING TO THE APPLICATION, THE CLUSTERING OF THE BUILDING TO LIMIT IMPACTS TO WETLAND RESULTING DESIGNS THAT INCLUDE 4 BUILDINGS THAT AVERAGE JUST OVER THE 45 FOOT MAXIMUM HEIGHT. FAILURE TO GRANT THE VARIANCE WOULD REDUCE THE NUMBER OF STORIES WHICH COULD BE CONSTRUCTED AND LIKELY RESULT IN A REDUCTION OF THE NUMBER OF UNITS. THE PROPOSED PROJECT IS LOCATED IN A DEVELOPING CORRIDOR OF THE COUNTY. IT DOES PROVIDE MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT IN PROXIMITY TO EXISTING AND PROPOSED COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT. THE GRANTING OF THE VARIANCE WILL NOT BE INJURY TO THE AREA OR DETRIMENTAL TO THE PUBLIC.WELFARE OF THE GRANTING WILL NOT BE IN HARMONY WITH THE GENERAL INTENT OF THE LAND
DEVELOPMENT CODE. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF? >> MIKE, CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE SITE PLAN. I KNOW WE HAVE IN OUR PACKAGE COULD CAN YOU ZOOM IN ON THE ONE ON THE LEFT AT
ALL? >> NO, IT'S ONLY A PICTURE. >> AT BEST AS WE CAN TELL COLLECTIVE A COPY OF IT IN OUR PACKAGE. THEY HAVE 6 BUILDINGS. THEY'VE GOT ENOUGH.
OBVIOUSLY THEY'VE GOT A POOL AND COMMUNITY AREA AND ALL THAT. THEY HAVE ENOUGH
PARKING? >> THEY WILL. >> FOR THE 328 MULTIFAMILY?
>> THE REASON I'M ASKINGI KNOW WHEN THE BRANDON ELD STRIP THAT WAS PUT TOGETHER THERE WAS CONVERSATION THAT WE DON'T THINK UILDINGS SHOULD BE MORE THAN 4 STORIES TALL. I THINK AS BEST I REMEMBER, THE 45 FOOT CAME IN BECAUSE EVERYBODY THOUGHT THE 45 FOOT WOULD BE ADEQUATE FOR 4 STORIES. I REALIZE THEY'RE TRYING TO DO THE 4 STORIES BUT, THEY NEED TO GO MORE THAN 45. THEN ASK THE APPLICANT WHEN HE GETS UP, YOU KNOW, TO BUILD A STORIES
TYPICALLY WHAT? >> HE IS SAYING THE BUILDING HEIGHT IS GOING TO BE 45 FEET 3
1/4 INCHES. THEY DON'T REALLY NEED 58. >> 00.
>> WERE REALISTICALLY LOOKING FOR FOR 5 INCHES. >> OKAY, OKAY. WILL COME BACK TO BACK. IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH 4 STORIES.
>> IT'S TO 45 FEET. >> JUST DON'T BUILD ROOF. LET IT RAIN.
>> HE SAYS THERE IS ONE 4-STORY HERE. >> THERE ARE 4 STORIES. OKAY.
>> THE OTHER LAND IMMEDIATELY AROUND THAT, THAT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. WHAT ARE THE
HEIGHT RESTRICTIONS IN THOSE? ARE THEY MORE OR LESS? >> THE BRANDON FIELD COMMUNITY
CENTER, IT'S THE SAME. IT'S THE SAME. 45. >> THE GREENNESS WETLANDS?
>> THE GREEN IS NOT DEVELOPING GROUND. >> I ASSUME YOU'RE ASKING ABOUT
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THE PURPLE OR MAGENTA? >> THIS IS WHERE THE HIGH SCHOOL COMES IN. IT'S THAT LAND ACROSS THAT'S BEEN OWNED BY SOME FAMILY FOREVER. YOU'LL HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF
MIKE BEFORE I GET THE APPLICANT TO COME DOWN? >> NO, I DON'T. ASK IF HE WILL COME FORWARD TO STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD PLEASE.
>> MY NAME IS RAY SPOFFORD, ADDRESSES 14775 OLD SAINT AUGUSTINE ROAD, JACKSONVILLE.
32258. >> ARE YOU SAINT EVERYTHING YOU SAY IS A TRUTH SO HELP YOU GOD?
>> YES A DEAL. >> VERY GOOD. HOW HIGH DO YOU REALLY NEED TO GO?
>> YOU SHOULD HAVE BUILDING ELEVATIONS IN YOUR PACKET. IF NOT I'VE GOT A LARGER SETBACK
HERE. A COPY WITH ME. >> I GUESS OUR QUESTION, HE'S AN ENGINEER ON THE BUILDER.
THE 3-STORY BUILDING, GIVING YOU 6 INCHES WOULD BE A BIG DEAL. LOOKING AT THIS 4-STORY MONSTER AND IT'S OVER 55 FEET TALL. YOUR 50 ONLY WON'T LET YOU BUILD A 4-STORY.
>> IS THE WAY IT'S MEASURED. THE BUILDING HEIGHT IS MEASURED FROM THE GRADE TO THE MEAN
BETWEEN THE ROOF SPACE IN THE PITCH. FOR THE BRIDGE. >> THAT'S UP WITH THE DIAGRAM
SHOWS PARENT. >> IS 55 THE TOP. THEN 10, 20, 30, 40. ALONG IN HERE, SOMEWHERE. IT LOOKS LIKE A VERY HIGH PITCHED ROOF. IT'S A PRETTY GOOD SIZE BUILDING TOO.
>> IF YOU'RE JUST ROUNDING THE NUMBERS, IS 56 FEET TO THE RIDGE OF THE ROOF. IT'S 41 FEET TO THE EAVES OF THE ROOF. SO, IF YOU GO TO THE MEAN, LET'S ASSUME IT'S 50 FOOT DIFFERENCE. LET'S HAVE IN HALF FEET. THE EAVES ARE 41. BRILIANT 477, 48 AND HEALTH.
SO, REALLY WE ASKED 450 JUST FOR FLEXIBILITY IN CASE BECAUSE WE MEASURE FROM GRADE COULD
CHANGE. THAT'S HOW WE GOT TO THE 50 FEET. >> OF THE 6 BUILDINGS, I CAN'T
TELL FROM SITE PLAN. HOW MANY ARE 3-STORY HOME NEAR 4-STORY? >> GOOD QUESTION. 5 OF THE 6 OR 4-STORY. THE BUILDING ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY IS 3 STORIES.
>> 3 STORIES? OKAY. >> HE. I THINK STAFF HAS MENTIONED THERE'S NO UNDUE HARDSHIP. PROBABLY DIDN'T DO A GOOD ENOUGH JOB IN HER APPLICATION ARTICULATING WHY I THINK THERE IS A HARDSHIP. IT'S REALLY A COMBINATION OF THE PHYSICAL SITE CONSTRAINTS.
AND THE REGULATORY REQUIREMENTS. I CAN EXPLAIN A LITTLE BIT MORE. SO, I KNOW THE AERIAL ON THE RIGHT IS A LARGER PARCEL THAN WHAT THE CONTRACT PURCHASER HAS. THERE BUYING THE VERY FAR EAST CORNER AND THAT'S ABOUT 45.6 ACRES TOTAL. TOTAL ACREAGE IS 45.6.
THE DEVELOPABLE AREA IF YOU DEDUCT THE WETLANDS AND THE UPLAND BUFFER IS 28 ACRES.
>> OKAY. >> NOW, THERE'S ALSO THE HUNDRED YEAR FLOODPLAIN ON THE SITE OUTSIDE OF THE WETLANDS IN THE UPLAND BUFFER. IF YOU DEDUCT THE FLOOD PLANE THAT GETS IT TO 32.87 ACRES. THERE'S EVEN 500 YEAR FLOODPLAIN TO GET YOU DOWN TO LESS THAN 20 ACRES. WE ARE WORKING WITHIN A PRETTY SMALL FOOTPRINT. ON THE OTHER HAND THE REGULATORY SIDE OF IT IS, IN THIS LAND USE COMMUNITY AND BRANDON FIELD BALAGGIO MAXIMUM DENSITY OF 12 UNITS PER GROSS ACRE BASED ON THE 45.6 ACRES. IT ALSO HAS A MINIMUM DENSITY OF 6 UNITS PER GROSS ACRE. SO, THE MINIMUM DENSITY WOULD BE IF YOU ASSUME THE GROSS ACREAGE
WOULD BE 274 UNITS. >> THAT WOULD BE THE MINIMUM? >> THAT WOULD BE THE MINIMUM.
>> OKAY. >> IF WE WERE TO REMOVE THE TOP FLOOR OF THE 5 BUILDINGS WHICH WOULD THEN RESULT IN A TOTAL OF 2 OR 56 UNITS BELOW THE REQUIRED DENSITY. WE ARE PROPOSING 328, THE MAXIMUM ART 12 UNITS PER GROSS ACRE. THERE'S REALLY NOT TRYING TO MAXIMIZE. JUST THE WAY THE LAND-USE IS APPLIED. THE PRIMARY CONSERVATION NETWORK
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YOU DON'T APPLY THE DENSITY. THE DENSITY CALCULATION WE HAVE TO DEDUCT THAT AREA. THERE'S A COUPLE OF PRACTICAL CONSIDERATIONS. 4 BUILDING WITH THE SAME NUMBER OF UNITS AND A FLAT ROOF COULD POTENTIALLY COMPLY WITH THE BUILDING HEIGHT STANDARD. BUT, OBVIOUSLY I THINK AESTHETICS OF A PITCH ROOF IS MUCH BETTER THAN HAVING A FLAT ROOF. WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THE EXTENT OF THE DEVIATION IS REALLY 3 AND A HALF FEET. WE JUST WANT THE EXTRA FOOT AND HALF OR FLEXIBILITY ON HOW IT ACTUALLY GETS MEASURED IN THE FIELD BYGRADE LEVEL. >> ARE YOU, ARE YOU PUTTING AC UNITS ON THE GROUND?
>> I BELIEVE THAT'S THE CASE. I DON'T KNOW FOR SURE. THAT'S TYPICALLY HOW THEY WOULD DO IT.
>> I KNOW WERE OLD JENNINGS COMES INTO THE OUTER BELTWAY. RIGHT NEAR CCU 8. WE PROVED THEIR BUILDING SOME APARTMENT STARE. THEY DID WHILE THOSE ROOFS, WHAT YOU CALL IT? YOU GO UP IN THE FLAT ON THE TOP AND THEY GOT THE AC UNITS UP THERE. THEY DIDN'T ASK US FOR A VARIANCE. WHEN YOU START TALKING, I WONDER IF THAT'S THE REASON THEY DID THAT? MAYBE PEOPLE DON'T STEAL STUFF IF YOU'RE AC UNITS ON THE ROOF TOO. I DON'T KNOW.
>> I KNOW YOU MENTIONED HEIGHTS AND THE SURROUNDING AREAS. CATTY CORNER ACROSS 220 AND LANDING TO THE NORTHWEST. AS AN ACTIVITY CENTER DESIGNATION WHICH HOUSE HIGHER HEIGHT ALLOWANCE. BASED ON DISTANCE FROM RESIDENTIAL USES. I THINK IT STARTS AROND 85 FEET. IF YOU GO FURTHER AWAY FROM RESIDENTIAL YOU CAN GO MUCH HIGHER.
>> SURE. OR IF YOU GOT TREES THAT ARE 50 FEET TALL THE WETLANDS THEY WILL BE ABLE TO
SEE ANYTHING. >> THE SITE IS PRE-MUCH SURROUNDED BY WETLANDS TO THE WEST AND SOUTH. TO THE EAST IS UNDEVELOPED RIGHT NOW AND FURTHER EAST THEY ARE STARTING
TO DEVELOP I THINK A SINGLE-FAMILY SUBDIVISION. >> COULD YOU LIVE WITH THE 4 STORIES IN US NOT APPROVING THE ROOF? [LAUGHTER] AND GO BACK AND REDESIGN THE PITCH OF THE ROOF? WERE TALKED ABOUT A COUPLE OF FEET. I KNOW YOU HAVE ROOF TRUST ISSUES AND ALL
THAT. >> SINCE IT IS AN UNDEVELOPED AREA. LOOK AT THE NEXT GUY THAT COMES ALONG, WELL HE GOT IT AND HE'S GONNA WANT 55 FEET. WE NEED TO LIMIT THAT. THAT'S A VERY RURAL AREA RIGHT NOW. IT HAS BEEN FOREVER. I LIVED NOT TO FAR FROM THERE.
DEFINITELY DON'T WANT TO SEE IT BECOME DOWNTOWN JACKSONVILLE. >> JACOB UNDERSTOOD.
>> NOT EVEN HAPPY WITH THE 4 STORIES. IF WE GET A FLAT ROOF AND ALL THAT STUFF AND BE MORE INCLINED TO AGREE. GRANTED THESE ROOFS LOOK BETTER BUT, THEY DON'T FIT OUR PLAN WHICH, HE AND I'VE BEEN ON THE BOARD FOR OVER 20 YEARS. THE BROWNFIELD PLAN CAME OUT SINCE
WE BEEN ON THE BOARD. YEAH. >> I DO KNOW AND ALL THE DISCUSSIONS, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY WILL SAY WERE OKAY WITH THE 4-STORY BUILDING. NOBODY THOUGHT YOU'RE GOING TO
HAVE 12 FEET OF ROOF SLOPE ABOVE THAT. >> IN THIS CASE IT'S REALLY
ABOUT 15 FEET. >> WHAT? >> IN THIS CASE IT'S ABOUT 50
FEET. >> YEAH, EXACTLY. >> IT'S WAS TO BE 9 OR 10 PITCH AT LEAST ON IT. >I DO HAVE THE FRONT AND SIDE ELEVATIONS ON THE 4.
>> WAS THE ARCHITECT? >>.[INAUDIBLE] >> THE CONTRACT PROCEDURE IS
MILBERG. >> I LOVE TO ACT AS THE ARCHITECT FOR THE OWNER WERE HERE I WOULD ASK THEM, HEY, COULD YOU GO TO A FLAT OR ROOF NOT FLAT BUT THAT ARE ROOF.
WITH THAT WORK STRUCTURALLY AND AESTHETICALLY? I DON'T THINK IT WOULD TAKE AN AWFUL LOT TO GET DOWN BELOWLOW YOU MAKE A A GOOD POINT. ALSO VILLAS SAY WHAT IS GONNA BE AN AREA 20 YEARS IS TOTALLY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT IS THERE TODAY. HAVING 55 FEET IN 20 YEARS MIGHT BE A NO-BRAINER. WHEN THE FIRST THING THAT GETS BUILT THERE 55 OR WHATEVER FEET. IT JUST
STANDS OUT. >> I WOULD IMAGINE SOMETHING TO THIS LEVEL, TO THIS MAGNITUDE.
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HYPOTHETICALLY THIS WORK TO GET DENIED TODAY DO YOU WILL HAVE A BACKUP PLAN? WHAT'S YOURFALLBACK? >> THAT I DO NOT KNOW. I'M SURE THEY DON'T. I DO LOOK AT IT ON THE SITE, THE SITE CHARACTERISTICS BOTH THE CONFIGURATION AND AMOUNT OF LAND THAT NEEDS TO BE PRESERVED IS NOT, IS UNLIKE OTHER TYPICAL SITES YOU WOULD SEE IN THIS
BRANDON FIELD AREA. IT'S ABOUT OVER 10 PERCENT VARIANCE. >> IT IS PART OF THE COUNTY THAT IS NOT UNUSUAL. IT'S ABOUT A 200 ACRE GREENLAND THAT'S IN MY BACKYARD. LOOK AT SETTING ETTING PRECEDENTS THAT WE'D RATHER NOT UNDO. NDO. YOU WILL END UP WITHDECISION JUERGEN HAVE TO MAKE HERE IN THE NEXT FEW MINUTES. IF WE WERE TO VOTE, I FEEL YOU MIGHT FAIL. MY OPINION WE CAN LOOK ABOUT AHEAD OF TIME. IF YOU FAIL, IT'S A YEAR BEFORE YOU CAN REAPPLY. IF YOU ACCEPT A CONTINUANCE AND GO BACK AND TALK TO YOUR PEOPLE AND WHAT THEY'RE WILLING TO ACCEPT BUT NEXT MONTH YOU COULD COME BACK AND BRING US A NEW PLAN.
>> I AGEE. I UNDERSTAND YOU KNOW YOU'RE CAUGHT. IF YOU JUST LOP OFF THE 4TH FLOOR YOU STILL DON'T MEET CODE. YOU DON'T HAVE ENOUGH UNITS ON THE PROPERTY. SO I'M GLAD YOU'VE GOT THE NUMBER YOU HAVE. IT'S JUST THE HEIGHT OF THE ROOF STRUCTURE. I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF PROBLEMS HAVING A FLAT ROOF. OR SOMETHING IN BETWEEN. I LIKE THE LOOK OF THE BUILDING PLANS YOU SUBMITTED TO US. IT'S JUST THAT, THAT TOP HEIGHT. I THINK, YOU KNOW IF YOU SAID THE 3 BUILDINS THAT ARE ON THE NORTH AND EAST SIDE WERE 3 STORIES AND 3 BACK AGAINST THE WETLANDS WERE 4 STORIES. PERSONALLY I WOULDN'T HAVE AS MUCH PROBLEM. 2 OF THESE BUILDINGS ARE RIGHT ON 220. THEY ARE GOING TO BE THE FIRST THING YOU SEE. EVEN THE ONE ON THE EAST SIDE. IT'S CLOSE ENOUGH. LIKE I SAID, IF THE 3 IN THE BACK OR 4 STORIES AND A 3 IN THE FRONT WERE 3 OR, IF YOU WERE ABLE TO MODIFY THE ROOF. ESTOP THE 4 STORIES OF A PROBLEM WITH. IT'S A TOTAL HEIGHT OF THE ROOF. JUST BECAUSE EVERYBODY DOES COME TO ASSOCIATE WITH G, BACK IN JULY 2023 YOU LET THESE GUYS GO TO 55 FEET. WE ONLY WANT TO GO TO
60. SUDDENLY IT GOES ON AND ON. >> YEP, UNDERSTOOD. I THINK WE
WOULD AGREE WITH THE CONTINUANCE TO GO SEE. >> WE WILL BE HERE NEXT MONTH.
>> WE CAN REDESIGN THE SITE. POSSIBLY AN OPTION IS TO PUT THE 4 STORIES OFF THE ROAD IN
THE BACK. OR REDUCING THE ROOF HEIGHT. >> AND MIKE THE FACT YOU HAVE ADEQUATE PARKING FOR ALL OF THE UNITS. THERE'S NO PHYSICAL WAY TO GO FAR STORIES ALMOST BETTER TOP 3 IN THE FRONT PART OF THE BACK. I DON'T THANK YOU CAN PHYSICALLY MAKE THEM FIT. . I LIKE WHICH ARETRYING TO DO. IT'S JUST THE ROOF THAT I'M HAVING TROUBLE WITH. IT DOES
BREAK THAT GLASS CEILING SO MUCH. >> ARE NOT AGAINST GROWTH IN
CLAY COUNTY. JUST LOOKING AT IT APPROPRIATELY. >> I THINK WE WOULD BE HAPPY WITH THE CONTINUANCE WHERE YOU CAN GO BACK AND TALK TO THE ARCHITECT AND YOUR CLIENT SAY, GUYS, WHAT OTHER ROOF OPTIONS DO WE HAVE? I'VE BEEN ON YOUR SIDE MANY, MANY TIMES. LET'S ASK FOR EVERYTHING. IF WE GET A GREAT, THEN IF WE DON'T THEN LET'S GO BACK.
>> PRISON AS A COUGH CEASING. WILL HAVE A MUCH EXTRA LUMBER. >>>> WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO
TAKE IT BACK TO YOU GUYS? >> YESS DO HAVE A MOTION FOR CONTINUANCE?
>> I HAVE I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTON. AS FAR AS THE MINIMUM DENSITYY YOU NEED TO MOVE SO MANY OF THE PARCEL. IS THERE ANYTHING THAT WILL STOP YOU FROM DIVIDING OFF PART OF THAT PARCEL AND MAKE IT SMALLER OR GIVEAWAY PART OF IT TO MAKE YOU MEET THE MINIMUM DENSITY IF
IT WAS 3-STORY? >>> A LOT OF THAT IS PROBABLY USELESS ANYWAY. YOU CAN SELL
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IT, MAKE IT A PARK. GIVE IT AWAY. WHATEVER. WATER THAT IS A POSSIBILITY.>> MIKE, I THINK IT'S MINIMUM NUMBER IS STILL BASED ON USABLE ACREAGE, CORRECT? IF THEY SOLD ALL THEIR GREEN SPACE IT WOULD STILL BE THE SAME MINIMUM NUMBER.
>> OH GOT YOU. >> NOBODY'S GONNA BUY THE WETLANDS PAID THEY CAN'T DO
ANYTHING WITH IT. >> I DIDN'T USE REALIZE IT WAS USABLE.
>> THE CALCULATIONS IS BASED ON USABLE ACREAGE. SUE DON'T BUY HUNDRED ACRES AND PUT 100 UNIT
TALL. >> DID I GET A MOTION FOR SECOND?
>> I WILL SECOND THE MOTION. >> ALL IN FAVOR SAY I . >> I.
>> WE WILL SEE YOU NEXT MONTH. >> OKAY, THANK YOU. >> WE APPRECIATE YOU WORKING
WITH US AT ALL THAT GOOD STUFF. >> MAKE SURE YOU GET PUT ON THE AGENDA OR IT WILL BE THE FOLLOWING MEETING. JUST THROWING THAT OUT THERE.
>> THAT WAS A TIME AND DATE CERTAIN RIGHT MIKE? >> UNFORTUNATELY WE ARE TO HAVE A MEETING SET UP FOR AUGUST. [LAUGHTER]. I LIKED IT WHEN WE ONLY MET ONCE OR TWICE A YEAR.
[2. Public Hearing to consider Application BOA 0523-0013; Variance to Section 3-6(d)(2) of the County Land Development Code. CONTINUED from June 22, 2023.]
NOW IT'S EVERY MONTH. OKAY MIKE THAT WAS 15. NEVER GOING TO PUBLIC HEARING FOR BOA 0523-0013 WHICH WAS CONTINUED FOR THE LAST MONTH'S MEETING. WILL TURN IT BACK OVER TO MIKE.>> I WILL BRIEFLY GO OVER. >> YEAH. >> AGAIN, THE APPLICANT IS EDWARD AND TERESA SAPP. IT'S AN A RULE STATE AR TO DISTRICT WITH AN EGG. IT'S ABOUT FOR PLACEMENT OF A STRUCTURE IN THE FRONT YARD IN THE ER Ã2 ZONING DISTRICT. THERE IS AN AREA OF UNDEVELOPED PARCEL AT THIS POINT. ONE THING THAT WAS BROUGHT UPAT THE LAST MEETING ONE THING THE APPLICANT BROUGHT UP AND I WASN'T AWARE OF. THEY HAVE SUBMITTEDED A BUILDING
PERMIT R RESIDENTIAL UNIT. >> FOR THE BUILDING ITSELF? OR FOR THE HOME ITSELF?
>> IT HAS BEEN SUBMITTED. I KNOW THAT WAS A QUESTION LAST MONTH. AGAIN, I CAN GO OVER
MORE DETAILS IF YOU WANT. 3 OF YOU HEARD T BEFORE. >> I THINK IF ALLOWED TO WE
COULD PROBABLY FILL HIM IN ON THE SITUATION. >> THAT'S FINE.
>> OKAY. >> WHY DON'T YOU COME UP WITH STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND
WE CAN TALK TO YOU AS WELL. >> THEY SUBMITTED THE BUILDING PERMIT FOR THE HOME.
>> STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD PLEASE. >> TERESA SAPP. 444 NAHA STREET KEYSTONE HEIGHTS. WE JUST MOVED. I WAS TRY TO REMEMBER THE ADDRESS.
>> EDWARD SAPP 444 NAHA STREET KEYSTONE. >> EVERYTHING YOU'RE GOING TO
SAY IS A TRUTH SO HELP YOU GOD? >> YES.
>> WHAT WAS A REASON WE ARE CONTINUING THIS COULD. >> OUR SITUATION LAST MONTH WAS THEY WERE QUITE SURE IF THEY SUMMONED THE PERMIT OR NOT FOR THE HOUSE. WHICH DIDN'T MATTER BECAUSE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT ACCESSORY STRUCTURE. JACOB AND MYSELF AND I THANK YOU AS WELL QUESTION WHAT IS THE ACCESSORIES WORKS ARE GOING TO LOOK LIKE? THEY DIDN'T HAVE A PLAN OR RENDERING OR ANYTHING. OUR CONCERN WAS IT'S GREAT TO BE TOLD IT'S GOING TO BE BIG GARAGE. WHAT IF IT ENDS UP BEING A 6? WE NEED TO APPROVE A MORE SPECIFIC PLAN.
>> SURE. >> THEY WERE GOING TO TRY TO GIVE US A RENDERING OF SOME TYPE AND WE COULD AGREE OR NOT THAT THAT IS WITHOUT GOING TO BUILD.
>> HOW BIG IS THE HOUSE YOU'RE PLANNING ON BUILDING? >> IT'S 1464.
>> OKAY. HOW BIG IS THE GARAGE OR PLANNING ON BUILDING? >> IT'S 24 BY 40. IT'S 3 BAYS.
>> 24 BY 40. >> I THINK IT'S RIGHT OUT OF THOUSAND SQUARE FEET.
>> I SAID GOOD JOB. >> MAJOR CONCERN IS WHAT EXACTLY GOING TO GO IN THERE.
THEY HAD A THOUGHT. THEY DIDN'T HAVE A DRAWING FOR US. AS WE'VE DONE BEFORE WE WANT TO
MAKE SURE IT MATCHES. >> IS EDITED DRAWING YOU HAVE THEREFORE IS?
>> WE HAVE THE PLANS FOR THE GARAGE. >> GREAT.
>> WE ALSO DID RECEIVE OUR PERMIT FOR HOUSE. >> SO IT HAS BEEN APPROVED?
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>> YES. WE WILL COME OVER AND LOOK AT IT FOR YOU. >> IS A A CONSTRUCTION MATERIALS OF THE GARAGE SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO PUT ON THE HOUSE?
>> LOOKED JUST LIKE THE HOUSE. SEEMS HIDING AND EVERYTHING. ROOF AND EVERYTHING. ING.
>> I WISH MY WIFE WOULD LET ME BUILD THIS. [LAUGHTER]. >> GAVE ME HER NUMBER AND I
WILL TALK TO HER. >>.[LAUGHTER]. >> NOW YOU KNOW WHAT IT'S LOOK
LIKE AND HOW BIG IT IS. >> RIGHT. JACOB FRONT OF THE ORIGINAL DISCUSSION ON THIS.
I'M SURE HE'S GOOD WITH THE TOO. YOU SAID YOUR PERMIT HAS BEEN APPROVED?
>> FOR THE HOUSE. >> OH YEAH, WE HAVEN'T APPLIED FOR THE GARAGE PERMIT YET .
>> ALSO WHEN WE WERE DOING THIS WE APPLIED FOR BOTH. >> ARE A MEMBER THERE WAS A
MIXUP WITH THE COUNTY. >> WHAT THEY DID WAS WHEN THEY LOOKED AT THE ACREAGE THEY DELETED OUR APPLICATION FOR THE SHOP. THAT'S WHY DOESN'T SHOW UP. FOR OUR GARAGE.
>> WITHOUT THE VARIANCE YOU CAN'T TO THE SHOP. IF YOU PUT THEM TOGETHER YOU'D BE THAT
MUCH FURTHER BEHIND IN YOUR HOME RIGHT NOW. >> WELL, WE'RE GONNA START.
>> YOU'VE GOTTEN APPROVAL THOUGH SO. >> WE HAVE OUR PERMIT SO WE CAN START WITH THAT. YOU PROBABLY DON'T NEED TO KNOW THIS BUT, HAS BEEN, WHEN HE WAS HEALTHIER HE LOVED, HE'S A FIREMAN, ON HIS OFF DAYS HE WOULD RESTORE CARS. SO HE HAS A CAMARO, 1970 CAMARO HE FULLY RESTORED. THEN HE HAS A 57 PICKUP AND THAT'S THE YEAR HE WAS BORN. THAT IS
WHY WE HAVE TO BUILD THIS. >> ON THE OLD CAR GUY I MAKE A NOTE OF WHAT SHE'S GOT.
>> THAT'S WHAT IT'S ALL ABOUT. ALL OUR YEARS TOGETHER WE BEEN MARRIED OVER 35 YEARS. HER HOUSE IS REALLY LOCKED. THE SHOP WITH THE CARS IS ALWAYS LOCKED. THERE'S A HURRICANE, EVERYTHING IS SECURE AROUND THE SHOP. I MAY BLOW BAIT WHILE HE'S AT THE FIRE STATION. THE
SHOP IS SECURE. ANYWAY, THAT'S WHY THIS IS SO REPORTED. >> YOU UNDERSTAND OUR SECURE CONCERN SPIRIT WE DO THIS MONTH AFTER MONTH. WE HAD A WOMAN, A PCOUPLE, THEY ASKED FOR A DOG THAT THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO HAVE. THE NEXT THING YOU KNOW THEY BUILT AN APARTMENT FROM HER MOTHER-IN-LAW WITH THE STOVE, THE BATHROOM AND WHOLE 9 YARDS. THAT WAS ON THE BOAT HOUSE. IT WAS AN APARTMENT. THEY STRETCH WITH ASKED FOR ALL THE TIME. WE DON'T WANT TO BE THE GUYS THAT GIVE YOU AN OPEN CHECKBOOK AND THEN END UP WITH A 10 BIG GARAGE.
>> HE COULD GET NO MORE CARS. >> MOM HAS SPOKEN. >> THAT WILL BE STRICKEN FOR
THE RECORD. >> THIS IS IT. PLEASE PUT THAT IN THE RECORD. [LAUGHTER].
>> ANYWAYS YOU GUYS HAVE QUESTIONS? >> THEY'VE GOT THE PERMIT. IF YOU WANT TO MAKE A MOTION THERE WHEN THE PLANTS APPEARED HOOKS WE WILL DO A MOTION FOR APPROVAL. CONTINGENT ON THE FACT HE PRESENTED THE PLANS AND THEY STICK WITH THOSE PLANS AND EVERYTHING GOES. ACCORDING TO ALL YOUR PLANS. DOES THAT WORK?
>> I WILL SECOND. >> COMOTION A SECOND FOR APPROVAL OF Ã0013. ALL IN
FAVOR SAY I APPEAREDNOBODY OPPOSED. GOOD LUCK TO YOU. >> THANK YOU.
>> GET A COPY OF THESE TO KE. MIKE, I WILL LET YOU DEAL WITH THAT. THEY WILL NEED IT FOR
BUILDING. THEREFORE CAN GO TO THE PUBLIC RECORD AS WELL. >> I DON'T THINK IT MATTERS
BUT.[INAUDIBLE]. >> I NOTICED IT. HE WILL BE WAITING FOR DINNER WHEN YOU GET
THERE. >> THOSE THINGS TO HAPPEN WITH MODERN COMPUTER SOMETIMES.
>> THANK YOU ALL. >> YOU'RE WELCOME, THANK YOU. >>.[INAUDIBLE].
>> I DID. WE WEREN'T PAYING ATTENTION. >> SHE WASN'T IN THE ROOM.
>> DO I BRING THEM TO YOU PERSONALLY? >> NOW GONNA DO A PUBLIC
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HEARING TO IN THIS WHOLE THING. WAIT, I DO PUBLIC COMMENT. > THAT'S WHAT I MEANT.>> DID WANT TO SAY ANYTHING MR. TURNEY? ARE YOU GOOD? OR GONNA CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT AND COME BACK . MIKE I KNOW WE HAVE A MEETING SCHEDULED FOR AUGUST?
>> WE DO NOW SINCE YOU CONTINUED ONE. >> I THOUGHT KELLY SAID WE ARE
TO HAVE SOMETHING. >> YEAH. >> OKAY.
>> A GOOD, WELL. WHAT'S A DATE FOR THE NEXT MONTH? >> FOURTHS THURSDAY.
>> 24TH? DARN, I'LL BE BACK. OKAY. >> I THINK OF THE TO BE IN ASHEVILLE THEN. I KNOW GOING TO ASHEVILLE AT THE END OF AUGUST. I COULD
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