Jul 11, 2023 BCC Agenda

[INVOCATION]

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>> IF YOU WOULD JOIN US FOR THE INVOCATION FROM COMMISSIONER COMPERE.

>> PLEASE BOW YOUR HEADS. LORD GOD IN THE NAME OF JESUS, THANK YOU FOR THIS DAY. I THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING US TO BE HERE. AS WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THE AGENDA SET BEFORE US I PRAY THAT YOU WOULD GUIDE US IN EVERY DECISION THAT WE MAKE. THANK YOU FOR THIS COUNTY, THE STAFF, THE FOLKS WHO LIVE HERE. WONDERFUL FOLKS IN CLAY COUNTY.

AND ALL OF THE RESOURCES THAT WE HAVE THAT MAKES THIS A WONDERFUL PLACE TO LIVE. WE THANK YOU FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT AND FIRE RESCUE. LORD, HAVE YOUR WAY IN US AND

THROUGH US >> DURING HIS MILITARY CAREER, HE HELD SEVERAL HIGH RANKING POSITIONS INCLUDING SENIOR PROGRAM MANAGER COURSE DIRECTOR, MARINE MAINTENANCE ADVISOR, CHIEF ENGINEER, NUCLEAR REACTOR DEPARTMENT INCOME, AND NUCLEAR PLANT OPERATOR. HIS EXCEPTIONAL SERVICE HAS EARNED HIM NUMEROUS AWARDS INCLUDING THE PRESTIGIOUS LEGION OF MERIT. CHIEF MASS IS AN ORANGE PARK RESIDENT AND IS A MENTOR FOR THE CLAY COUNTY VETERANS TREATMENT COURT. THANKFUL FOR YOUR SERVICE IN BOTH THE ARMY, NAVY, AND WITH OUR VETERANS.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR BEING HERE THIS AFTERNOON.

. >>> WOULD YOU LIKE TO SHARE A

FEW WORDS WITH US? >> JUST WANT TO THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE HERE BEAN PART OF THIS.

[APPLAUSE]

[CALL TO ORDER]

. >>> ALL RIGHT.

I WILL NOW CALL TO ORDER THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS MEETING FOR JULY 11, 2023. LET THE RECORD REFLECT THAT ALL

[ROLL CALL]

[PET ADOPTIONS]

>> OKAY. ALTHOUGH I DON'T HAVE SPECIFIC ANIMALS FOR US TO SHOW TODAY, OF COURSE WE ALWAYS HAVE ANIMALS THAT ARE AVAILABLE FOR ADOPTION. BUT JUST A REMINDER WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF KITTEN SEASON. SO IF YOU'RE INTERESTED IN BEING A FOSTER, YOU CAN CONTACT US AT CLAY FOSTERS@CLAY COUNTY GOVERNOR.COM. AND LASTLY, IF YOU ARE INTERESTED IN HELPING OUR FURRY FRIENDS BUT CAN'T BRING ONE HOME PLEASE LOOK AT OUR AMAZON WISH LIST.

WE'RE ALWAYS IN NEED OF ITEMS FOR OUR FOSTER KITTENS ON AMAZON.COM. THAT COMPLETES THE PETTED

ADOPTIONS >> THANK YOU.

PLEASE JOIN ME DOWN FRONT WE HAVE PROCLAMATIONS.

[1.  National Parks and Recreation Month]

>> ALL RIGHT. OUR FIRST PROCLAMATION TODAY IS PARKS AND RECREATION MONTH. JULY IS PARKS AND RECREATION MONTH. CLAY COUNTY HAS SO MANY BEAUTIFUL PARKS AND RECOMMEND BARRIE ASIAN AREAS WHERE FAMILY -- RECREATION AREAS. THESE FACILITIES ARE SAFE, CLEAN, AND AVAILABLE TO ALL THANKS TO THE DEDICATION AND HARD WORK OF OUR PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT STAFF.

WE HAVE SOME OF THEM HERE THIS AFTERNOON.

JUSTIN IF YOU'LL BRING UP YOUR STAFF TO HELP US CELEBRATE PARKS AND RECREATION MONTH AND WE'LL HAVE COMMISSIONER COMPERE READ THE PROCLAMATION.

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>> WHEREAS PARKS AND RECREATION AREAS HELP PRESERVE THE CULL WHICH YOU ARE, HISTORICAL BEAUTY OF OUR COUNTY AND PROVIDE A PLACE FOR FAMILIES TO CONNECT WITH NATURE WHICH IS AN INTEGRAL PART OF THE HIGH QUALITY OF LIFE CLAY COUNTY RESIDENTS AND VISITORS ENJOY AND WHEREAS ACCESS TO PARKS AND RECREATION AREAS PROMOTES HEALTH AND WELLNESS BY ENCOURAGING PHYSICAL ACTIVITIES SPENDING TIME IN NATURE POSITIVELY IMPACTS MENTAL HEALTH BY INCREASING PERFORMANCE, RELIEVING STRESS, AND INTERPERSONAL RELATIONSHIPS AND WHEREAS DESIGNATED PARKS AND RECREATION AREAS ALSO PROMOTE ECONOMIC PROSPERITY THROUGH INCREASED PROPERTY VALUES, INCREASED TOURISM, AND ATTRACTION AND RETENTION OF BUSINESSES AND CRIME REDUCTION AND WHEREAS PARKS AND RECREATION AREAS PROMOTE INCLUSION, SOCIAL EQUITY, AND COMMUNITY BUILDING BY ENSURING ALL RESIDENTS HAVE FAIR AND JUST ACCESS TO HIGH QUALITY PARKS, RECOMMEND REYEGGSAL PROGRAMS AND ACTIVITIES.

AND WHEREAS THE NATIONAL RECREATION AND PARK ASSOCIATION'S 2023 PARKS AND RECREATION MONTH THEME IS WHERE COMMUNITY GROWS TO CELEBRATE THE VITAL ROLL OF PARKS AND RECREATION PROFESSIONALS PLAY IN BRINGING PEOPLE TOGETHER PROVIDING ESSENTIAL SERVICES AND FOSTERING THE GROWTH OF OUR COMMUNITIES NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVE THERE HAD THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS, CLAY COUNTY FLAY NRA, PROCLAIMS JULY 2023 AS PARKS AND RECREATION MONTH AND THAT WE ACKNOWLEDGE THE OUTSTANDING EFFORTS OF THE CLAY COUNTY PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT WHICH SERVES OUR RESIDENTS AND [APPLAUSE]

. >> SGLIPTED TO TAKE THE TIME TO INTRODUCE THIS GREAT TEAM OF MINE. THE THEME FOR 2023 IS WITH RESPECT COMMUNITY GROWS. IT'S FITTING BECAUSE OF ALL THE PARKS THAT WE'RE INQUIRING, THE AMENITIES WE'RE BUILDING AS WELL, THE STAFF WE'RE GROWING. WE HAVE THREE MEMBERS HERE OF LAST YEAR WHEN WE WERE STANDING IS HERE WERE NOT PART OF THE TEAM SO AS WE CONTINUE TO GROW AND PROVIDE SERVICES EXPECTED OF

THIS COUNTY, THANK YOU FOR THIS. >> AS WE'RE CONTINUING TO GROW THE STANDARDS OF OUR AGENT LETTING FIELDS AND SPORTS COMPLEX COMING ON BOARD, HE WILL BE MAKING SURE THAT CLAY COUNTY THEY COME INTO -- BEHIND ME WE HAVE OUR NATURAL RESOURCES SUPER.

HE'S OVER ALL OF NATURAL RESOURCES AND CONSERVATION EFFORTS OF OUR PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT.

WORK IN THE OFFICE AND FIELD BUT THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY.

THANK YOU ALL.

[APPLAUSE]

[2.  Recognition of Darin Roark for his contributions to healthcare in Clay County]

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>> STAY HYDRATED. >>> OKAY. OUR SECOND PROCLAMATION THIS AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONER RENNEKER HAS AGREED TO READ. WE ARE HONORED AND A LITTLE SIDE TO HAVE DARIN ROARK WITH US. IF YOU WANT TO COME UP.

DARIN HAS DONE SO MUCH FOR OUR COUNTY AND WE WANT TO RECOGNIZE HIS OUTSTANDING CONTRIBUTIONS TO OUR COMMUNITY WITH A PROCLAMATION. DO YOU WANT TO COME UP TOO, COUNTY MANAGER, PLEASE? SO ARE WE ALLOWEDED TO SAY THAT? OKAY. SO AS MUCH AS WE DON'T WANT IT TO BE TRUE, DARIN IS LEAVING US FOR A HUGE JOB MOVING UP NORTH TO RUN A HUGE HOSPITAL SYSTEM IN NEW HAMPSHIRE.

OKAY.

MAYBE AFTER COMMISSIONER RENNEKER READS THE PROCLAMATION, I'LL GIVE YOU THE MIC AND YOU CAN SHARE A FEW WORDS WITH US.

THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE THIS AFTERNOON.

. >> WHEREAS DARIN ROARK'S CAREER IS A TESTAMENT TO HIS DEDICATION AND HARD WORK -- IN CLAY COUNTY AND WHEREAS ROARK JOINED BAPTIST HEALTH IN 2012 AS AN ASSISTANT ADMINISTRATOR AND IS CURRENTLY SERVING OUR COMMUNITY AS THE PRESIDENT OF THE NEW FULL SERVICE BAPTIST MEDICAL CENTER CLAY OFFERING ADULT AND PEDIATRIC -- MEDICAL OFFICE BUILDING AND BAPTIST HEALTH PLACE AT FLEMING ISLAND AND WHEREAS UNDER HIS LEADERSHIP BAPTIST HEALTH HAS UNDERGONE SIGNIFICANT EXPANSION INCLUDING THREE NEW EMERGENCY FACILITIES AND A NOTABLE INCREASE OF NEARLY 60,000 ANNUAL EMERGENCY VISITS.

HE ALSO LED THE ADDITION OF AN IN PATIENT BED TOWER THAT ADDED OVER 300,000 SQUARE FEET, A SPACE WITH 102 INPATIENT BEDS AND A FULL SERVICE BAPTIST MD ANDERSON CANCER PATIENT TREATMENT CREATING 500 NEW JOBS AT THE MEDICAL CAMPUS AND WHEREAS PRIOR TO JOINING BAPTIST HEALTH MR. ROARK HELD LEADERSHIP AND NURSING POSITIONS AT HOSPITALS IN ILLINOIS AND WISCONSIN AND SERVED AS DIRECTOR OF EMERGENCY SERVICES AT ORANGE PARK MEDICAL CENTER. AND WHEREAS MR. ROARK HAS CONDUCTED EXTENSIVE RESEARCH ON IMPROVING PATIENT SAFETY THROUGH ADVANCES IN DATA AND TECHNOLOGY AND HIS RESEARCH HAS BEEN PUBLISHED IN HIGHLY REGARDED JOURNALS SUCH AS THE JOURNAL OF AMERICAN NURSING. CAY COUNTY CLAIM BETTER OF COMMERCE AND SERVED AS SUPERVISOR OF CLAY COUNTY UTILITY AUTHORITY. THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED THAT THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS CLAY COUNTY FLORIDA RECOGNIZES DARIN ROARK FOR HIS INCREDIBLE CONTRIBUTIONS TO OUR COMMUNITY AND THE SYSTEM OF HEALTHCARE IN CLAY COUNTY.

THIS 11TH DAY OF JULY 2023.

>> MOTION AND SECOND. >>

>> CONGRATULATIONS. [APPLAUSE]

. >> AND I SEE YOU'RE HERE WITH YOUR WIFE AND I DIDN'T CATCH YOUR NAME.

>> I'M HIS DAUGHTER CASSIE. >> CONGRATULATIONS.

IT TAKES A VILLAGE TO DO WHAT YOU DID.

>> THANK YOU TO THE FOLKS IN CLAY COUNTY.

I MOVED HERE IN 2009 AND IT'S BEEN HOME FOR ME AND MY FAMILY AND WE'RE SO GRATEFUL FOR THE SUPPORT AND LOVE THAT WE'VE FELT FROM EVERYONE AND FOR THE WAY YOU'VE ALLOWED US TO EXPAND AND CONTINUE TO SERVE AND IT'S BEEN AN HONOR TO SERVE RESIDENTS AND IT'S HARD TO GO BUT GOD IS CALLING US TO ANOTHER PLACE WHERE HOPEFULLY WE CAN HAVE JUST AS MUCH OF AN IMPACT AND WE'LL BE SERVING IN NEW HAMPSHIRE, DOVER OUTSIDE OF PORTS MOUTH AND BE CONNECTED WITH THE MASS GENERAL HEALTH SYSTEM WHICH IS A HUGE OPPORTUNITY TO CONTINUE TO EXPAND THE WORK WE DO AND THANK YOU FOR THIS HONOR. IT'S AN HONOR AND PRIVILEGE.

IT'S HARD TO LEAVE CLAY COUNTY. I THANK MY WIFE AND DAUGHTER FOR THEIR CONTINUOUS SUPPORT AND FOR ALL OF YOU IN SUPPORTING ME THROUGHOUT THE YEAR AND EVERYTHING YOU'VE DONE TO HELP US GROW IN CLAY COUNTY. THANK YOU.

[APPLAUSE]

[CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICERS]

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. >>> CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICERS NOT THAT THAT'S NOT A HARD ACT TO FOLLOW.

WE HAVE OUR CLERK OF THE COURT AND COMPTROLLER AND I GUESS YOU'RE THE ONLY ONE. WE HAD THE SHERIFF THIS MORNING AT OUR BUDGET MEETING. DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING FOR US?

>> OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.

>> AND PLEASE LET -- THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE ALMOST ALL DAY.

[APPROVAL OF MINUTES]

APPROVAL OF MINUTES. >> MOVE TO APPROVE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS MEETING MINUTES JUNE 27, 2023.

>> I'LL SECOND. >> MOTION AND SECOND.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR INDICATE WITH AYE.

>> AYE >> THOSE OPPOSED.

MOTION CARRIES 5-0. >> NEXT WE'RE MOVING TO OUR FIRST PUBLIC COMMENT. I DON'T HAVE ANY COMMENT CARDS.

IS THERE ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO US THIS AFTERNON? WE WELCOME PUBLIC COMMENT. SEEING NONE.

[CONSENT AGENDA]

IS THERE ANYTHING THAT ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO PULL.

>> I WOULD LIKE TO PULL NUMBER FOUR.

>> OKAY. WE ONLY HAVE THREE ITEMS ON OUR CONSENT AGENDA THIS AFTERNOON. SO ANYTHING ELSE ANYBODY WANTED TO PULL? OKAY. I'LL INTROTAN A MOTION FOR ITEM -- ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

>> I'LL MAKE A MOTION. >> OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE ALL IN FAVOR INDICATE WITH AYE.

>> AYE. >> OPPOSED.

MOTION CARRIES 5-0. >>> ITEM FOUR.

COMMISSIONER RENNEKER. >> THANK YOU.

SEVERAL MONTHS AGO, FIRST OF ALL, ON THIS CONSENT ITEM UNDER

[4.  Finance Business]

I KNOW THERE'S A HIGH NEED THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY FOR ELECTRONIC ACCESS TO THE INTERNET AND THINGS LIKE THAT SO I ASKED THE STAFF TO KIND OF LOOK INTO IT.

TO SURPLUS THESE COMPUTERS. THEY'RE REALLY NOT WORTH A LOT OF MONEY AND SO IT -- THEY MAY PROVIDE VALUE TO THE COMMUNITY SO I ASK THE STAFF TO LOOK INTO THAT

>> ASSISTANT COUNTY MANAGER THROUGH THE CHAIR.

SO WE HAVE RESEARCHED THIS. THERE ARE SEVERAL NONPROFITS THAT WILL TAKE THE COMPUTERS WE'VE TALKED TO VETERANS SERVICES. THE VETERANS COUNCIL WOULD BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO TAKE SOME COMPUTERS.

THEY UNDERSTAND THERE'S NO WINDOWS OR HARD DRIVES IN THEM.

THE OTHER ONE IS THE PC MINISTRY.

PB MINISTRY TAKES AND RECYCLES THE COMPUTERS.

THEY HAVE A CONNECTION WITH MICROSOFT SO THEY GET LOW COST MICROSOFT LICENSES ON THEM AND REDISTRIBUTE THEM INSIDE OF CLAY COUNTY FOR KIDS WITHOUT COMPUTE CONSIDERS AT HOME SO THEY'LL HAVE ACCESS TO A COMPUTER. SO MY RECOMMENDATION TO THE BOARD WOULD BE TO ALLOW COMMUNITY SERVICES TO WORK WITH THE CLERK'S OFFICE ON A SURPLUS PROCESS.

ANY COMPUTERS OR MONITORS THAT COME TO SURPLUS THEN WOULD GO TO COMMUNITY SERVICES WHO WOULD WORK WITH THE NONPROFITS TO DISTRIBUTE THOSE COMPUTERS TO ACCEPTABLE 501 C3S AND WE WOULD DIAGNOSEMENT THEM AND TURN -- DOCUMENT THEM.

THAT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION.

GIVING COMMUNITY SERVICES THE ABILITY TO -- BECAUSE WITH THE NUMBER OF COMMUTERS WE RECYCLE, IT MAY OVERWHELM ONE AGENCY GETTING THEM ALL. AND WITH THE REVENUE WE'VE AYE TALKED TO ENVIRONMENTAL CEPHALEASS AND BASICALLY RIGHT NOW WE GET $5 PER PC AND $6.50 PER LAPTOP AND NOTHING FOR

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>> IS THAT ACCEPTABLE? >> MOVE FOR APPROVAL.

>> OKAY. I LIKE THAT IDEA TOO. >> I'LL SECOND.

>> OKAY. MOTION AND SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? CONVERSATION? THANK YOU FOR THAT WORK.

ALL RIGHT. ALL IN FAVOR INDICATE WITH AYE.

>> AYE. >> OPPOSED.

MOTION CARRIES 5-0.

[7.  Progress Report on the Bonded Transportation Program (E. Dendor)]

>> ITEM 7. UPDATE ON THE BONDED TRANSPORTATION PROGRAM. MR. DENDOR.

WITH ME THIS EVENING IS JOSH WITH WGI.

WE'RE HERE TO UPDATE YOU ON THE PROGRESS WE'VE MADE OVER THE LAST MONTH. ON PROJECT NUMBER ONE, COUNTY ROAD 218, THE STANLEY THE BEING FINAL EYED EVERIZE AND BID FOR CONSTRUCTION. FOR GROUP NUMBER TWO OVERALL THE COUNTY AND SUPERIOR CONSTRUCTION WITH JACOBS CONTINUES WITH THE DESIGN. AND BIMONTHLY STATUS MEETINGS.

APPRAISALS AND OFFERS CONTINUE FOR MULTIPLE SITES AS WELL AS RIGHT OF WAY ACQUISITION. FOR BOTH PROJECTS -- THE DESIGN RESPONSE COMMENTS WERE RECEIVED ON THEIR 09% DESIGN.

AND THE FINAL DESIGN -- FROM R TO FOLLOW.

SUPPORT YORE IS IN THE PROCESS -- SUPERIOR IS IN THE PROCESS OF DEVELOPING THEIR GUARANTEED MAXIMUM PRICE.

THE TEAM CONTINUES TO DEVELOP THE 90% DESIGN PLANS WHILE THE ACQUISITION CONTINUES ON THAT PROJECT.

FOR GROUP NUMBER ONE THE TEAM HELD OUR BIMONTHLY STATUS MEETINGS AND ON PROJECT THREE COUNTY ROAD 209 GAI SUBMITTED THE PLANS SET FOR REVIEW WHICH COVERS THE OPERATIONAL AND SAFETY IMPROVEMENTS ALONG THAT PORTION OF COUNTY ROAD 209.

AND THE TEAM CONTINUES WORK WITH MULTIPLE PROPERTY OWNERS TO OBTAIN THE NECESSARY RIGHT OF WAY FOR THAT ALIGNMENT AND THE POND SITES. AND FOR PROJECT NUMBER FOUR, COUNTY ROAD 739 B OR SAND RIDGE ROAD THEY CONTINUE TO MAKE GOOD PROGRESS ON THAT CONSTRUCTION. STARTING AT THE WEST END OF SAND RIDGE ROAD AT HENLY ROAD AND MOVING EASTWARD.

CLOSURE TO THROUGH TRAFFIC FROM HENLY TO JUST WEST OF RUSSELL OAKS CONTINUES. WHILE COUNTY STAFF, THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, FIRE AND RESCUE CONTINUE TO MEET FREQUENTLY TO REVIEW THE MAINTENANCE OF TRAFFIC ON THOSE CLOSURES. FOR UPDATES AND CLEAR COMMUNICATION WITHIN THE TEAM. AS OF TODAY THERE ARE 18 DAYS LEFT IN THIS PLAN AND ACTIVITIES ARE PLANNED FOR EACH DAY THROUGH THE WEEKEND AS WELL AS POSSIBLE NIGHT SHIFTS AS WELL.

MOVING ON TO PROJECT 6B THE TEAM CONTINUES TO HOLD THE BIMONTHLY STATUS MEETINGS AS WELL. THE FINAL MAINTENANCE OF TRAFFIC PLANS WERE APPROVED OR RELEASED FOR CONSTRUCTION ON MAY 3RD.

THE ARMY PERMIT IS STILL UNDER REVIEW.

THIS CONTINUED CORPS IS CONTINUING TO DELAY THE PROJECT.

>> THIS CONCLUDES IT UNLESS YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.

>> ANY QUESTIONS FOR ED? >> YOU'RE OFF THE HOOK.

THANK YOU.

[8.  Lien Reduction]

>> ALL RIGHT. WE'LL MOVE ON THE ITEM 8, OUR FIRST LIEN REDUCTION DISCUSSION.

IT WAS ACTIVE FOR A VERY LONG TIME.

MS. JOHNSON IS THE OWNER AND HAS BEEN FOR SOME TIME.

SHE DROVE ALL THE WAY FROM GEORGIA TO HAVE CONVERSATION WITH YOU TODAY. ESSENTIALLY, I MEAN IF YOU

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SHE WAS UNAWARE THAT THERE WAS A LIEN ON THE PROPERTY UNTIL I THINK SHE TRIED TO SELL IT HERE NOT TOO LONG AGO.

SO IT CAME TO THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE IN JUNE.

AND AFTER HEARING SOME DISCUSSION AFTER HEARING SOME DISCUSSION IT WAS DECIDED BY THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE TOM REDUCE IT TO STAFF'S COST WHICH IS $2,280.

AND THAT WAS BASED ON THE FACT THAT SHE DIDN'T CREATE THE VIOLATIONS. AND HAS ALSO PUT A LOT OF MONEY INTO THE PROPERTY. SO I'LL TAKE QUESTIONS OR IF YOU WANT TO HEAR FROM MS. JOHNSON AS WELL.

>> OKAY. ANYONE HAVE QUESTIONS BEFORE WE HEAR FROM MS. JOHNSON?

>> I DO HAVE A QUESTION. I THINK MS. JOHNSON HAS OWNED

THE PROPERTY SINCE 2011. >> 11 OR 12, YES, SIR.

>> AND THERE'S A CLAIM THAT SHE DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THE VIOLATIONS. I MEAN --

>> IF THEY DIDN'T DO A TITLE SEARCH THAT'S QUITE POSSIBLY SO.

AT THE TIME THAT SHE PURCHASED IT, THE LIEN HAD ALREADY BEEN GOING FOR SOME TIME. SOP --

>> MY QUESTION IS WE DON'T RENEW COMMUNICATION OVER 13 YEARS.

>> THE LIEN IS STILL RUNNING EVERY DAY.

IF TYPICALLY IF PEOPLE GO TO BUY OUR SELL THE PROPERTY, MOST FOLKS DO A TITLE SEARCH AND THAT'S WHEN 90% OF THE TIME THAT'S WHEN THOSE ARE CAUGHT. YES, SIR.

>> IF YOU READ THIS AND SHE CAN EXPLAIN MORE TO THE REASON SHE TOOK IT OVER IS BECAUSE SHE WAS NOT BEING TAKEN CARE OF AND SHE HAD TO PAY SEVEN YEARS OF BACK TAXES AS WELL.

>> JUST ONE SECOND. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR -- OKAY IF YOU'LL LET US KNOW YOUR NAME. SPEAK INTO THE MICROPHONE.

>> TINA JOHNSON. MY SON'S GRANDMOTHER PASSED AWAY IN 2001. SHE WILLED IT TO HER SON AND DAUGHTER. THEY DO NOT PAY THE TAXES FROM 2001 TO 20102007. HE CALLED ME IN 2007 AND SAID THAT HE OWED SEVEN YEARS BACK TAXES AND HAD UNTIL FRIDAY TO PAY OR GET EVICTED. I TOLD HIS DAD TO PUT THE PROPERTY IN HIS NAME AND THEN I WOULD HELP PAY FOR THE BACK TAXES BECAUSE THIS IS MY EX-HUSBAND.

WE WERE ONLY MARRIED A YEAR AND MY CURRENT HUSBAND WAS NOT GOING TO LET ME PAY BACK TAXES FOR MY EX-HUSBAND'S PROPERTY SO WE TOLD HIM TO PUT IT IN HIS NAME. SO I HAVE A MONEY GRAM HERE WITH WHERE I PURCHASED IT AT IN GEORGIA WHERE I LIVED AT THE TIME TO PAY THE SEVEN YEARS BACK TAXES.

WELL, THE ATTORNEY THE WARRANTY DEED WHICH IS ALSO DATED HERE THE 11TH WHICH IS THE SAME DAY I HAVE THE MONEY ORDER IN LAGRANGE. I COULD NOT BE AT TWO PLACES AT THE SAME TIME. HE PUT IT IN MY SON'S AND MY NAME. THAT'S HOW I'M ON IT.

AND I'M INVOLVED IN ALL OF THIS. OKAY. SO MEANWHILE, MY SON GOES TO JAIL. I GET ANOTHER LETTER SAYING THEY'RE FORECLOSING ON THE PROPERTY WHICH HERE'S ANOTHER MONEY GRAM STATING THE THREE YEARS MORE BACK TAXES BEFORE IT WAS GOING TO BE FORECLOSED ON. AND THEN HI TO GET AN ATTORNEY TO FIND OUT WHERE HE WAS BECAUSE I NEVER LIVED ON THIS PROPERTY.

I NEVER LIVED THERE NOT ONE TIME.

I LIVE IN GEORGIA. SO THE ATTORNEY SAID HE COULD NOT FIND HIM SO I SAYS WELL TRY JAIL OR SOMETHING ELSE.

AND THAT'S WHERE THEY FOUND HIM, IN JAIL.

SO WHILE HE WAS IN JAIL, MY ATTORNEY ADVISED ME TO FORECLOSE ON THE PROPERTY TO GET MY NAME OFF OF IT AND THEN WHEN WE WENT DOWN THERE TO FORECLOSE ON IT, NO ONE WOULD BID ON IT BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THERE WAS A LIEN ON THERE THAT I WAS NOT AWARE OF AT THE TIME. SO FORECLOSED ON, HE BOUGHT IT BACK FOR $100 AND THEN IT WAS PUT IN JUST MY NAME.

THAT WAS IN 2012. WHICH I HAD THE PROPERTY CLEANED BY CLEAR VIEW LAND CLEANING AND SOMETIME IN BETWEEN 2012 AND 2021, MY SON GOT OUT OF PRISON AND MOVED BACK ON THE PROPERTY BECAUSE I'M ASSUMING HE HAD ALL THE PAPERWORK FROM PREVIOUSLY SO

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I'VE NEVER LIVED ON IT. TAXES, LAND CLEANING.

BUT THE PROPERTY WAS IN COMPLIANCE.

ONCE WE GOT ALL HIS STUFF OFF.

AND I WASN'T AWARE OF THE CODE VIOLATION UNTIL I GOT READY TO PUT IT ON THE MARKET BECAUSE PEOPLE WERE DUMPING ON THERE.

I HAD A FENCE PUT UP. SO I JUST WANT TO GET OUT OF THE WHOLE SITUATION AND THAT'S -- I IMMEDIATELY CAME DOWN HERE TO THE HEARING I FILED FOR A LIEN REDUCTION.

I PAY MY BILLS. AND I'M JUST MIXED UP IN THIS WHOLE SITUATION. THERE WASN'T TIME TO DO A TITLE CHECK ON IT OR A -- WHAT DO Y'ALL CALL THAT THING?

>> TITLE SEARCH. THERE WAIVE AND GIVE IT UP -- WASN'T TIME TO DO A TEATAL SEARCH.

HE CALLED WEDNESDAY AND THEY WERE GOING TO BE EVICTED FRIDAY.

IT WAS ONLY LIKE THREE DAYS.

>> AFTER ALL THIS I'VE HAD ENOUGH.

>> THANK YOU FOR COMING TO TALK TO US.

>> COMMISSIONER BURKE. >> IS IT COMPLIANT NOW?

>> YES, MA'AM. IT HAS BEEN FOR SOME TIME.

ONCE I FOUND OUT I CAME HERE TO THE OFFICE.

THEY WENT OUT AND CHECKED. IT WAS CLEAR WHEN THEY CHECKED.

>> YOU'RE JUST TRYING TO SELL IT.

YOU HAD IT CLEANED. >> YEAH.

I HAD IT CLEANED FOR THE SECOND TIME AND I WAS TRYING TO SELL IT BECAUSE I CAN'T KEEP PEOPLE FROM GOING DOWN THERE AND DUMPING STUFF. IT'S A DEAD END STREET.

THE WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD'S A JUNK YARD.

EVERYBODY AROUND THERE HAS A LOT OF TRASH IN THEIR YARDS.

MINE WAS CLEAN. I DON'T KNOW WHO WENT AND CHECKED ON THE PROPERTY BUT I'M SURE THEY TOOK PHOTOS.

I HAVE SOME ON MY PHONE IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE THEM FROM WHEN

THE LAND WAS CLEARED AGAIN. >> COMMISSIONER RENNEKER.

>> WHAT'S YOUR PURPOSE OF THE GROUND NOW?

WHAT DO YOU PLAN TO DO? >> I NEED TO SELL IT TO TRY TO RECOUPE SOME OF MY MONEY. AYE LOST A LOT OF MY RETIREMENT MONEY ON IT.

I'VE HAD IT CLEANED TWICE, I'M OBVIOUSLY GOING TO BE PAYING SOME TYPE OF FINE TODAY. THAT'S GOING TO BE MORE MONEY.

AND I'VE NEVER LIVED ON THE PROPERTY.

I'VE PAID TAXES ON IT SINCE 2001 UNTIL 2022 AND I'M PAYING THIS YEAR'S ALSO.

>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONER RENNEKER SNP.

>> NO, THANK YOU. >> ANY QUESTIONS?

>> OKAY. I'LL BRING IT BACK TO THE BOARD AND ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

>>. >> THIS PROPERTY IS IN MY DISTRICT. AS MOST OF OUR CODE ENFORCEMENT CASES ARE. I'M SORRY THAT YOU'VE HAD TO DEAL WITH THIS. THANK YOU FOR CLEANING IT UP.

HOW MUCH DID THE -- >> COSTS ARE $2,280.

>> 2280.

>> I MOVE TO ACCEPT SPECIAL IMAGINE STRAIT'S RECOMMENDATION.

-- MAGISTRATE'S RECOMMENDATION.

>> OKAY. MOTION. >> I'LL SECOND IT.

>> MOTION AND SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?

>> ALL IN FAVOR INDICATE BY SAYING AYE.

>> AYE. >> THOSE OPPOSED.

>> MOTION CARRIES 5-0. SO IF YOU WOULD JUST HANG OUT.

WE HAVE ONE MORE FOR MS. STEWART TO GO THROUGH AND THEN SHE'LL MEET YOU AT THE BACK WITH FURTHER INSTRUCTION.

WE HAVE REDUCED THE LIEN TO THE AMOUNT THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE

[9.  Lien Reduction]

SUGGESTED. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH.

>> THANK YOU FOR CLEANING IT UP. >> THE NEXT TWO ITEMS ARE ON THE

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ONE WAS A YEAR AND SIX MONTHS AND THE OTHER WAS ALMOST THREE YEARS ACT AT THIS. THIS IS FOR 6487 LOCH LOMMOND DRIVE. THIS WAS ONE OF THE FOUR PROPERTIES THAT WE STARTED THE FORE CLOSURE PROCEDURES ON.

THIS PROPERTY WAS SOLD FROM MR. REESE TO MR. MOSER WHO IS HERE.

>> MR. MOSER STAFF'S COST FOR CODE ENFORCEMENT STAFF $1,700 ON THE FIRST CASE. ON THE SECOND CASE IT'S ALSO $700 IF YOU'LL NOTICE ON THE FIRST PAGE OF YOUR PACKETS, THE FORE CLOSURE FEES AS WELL WERE SPLIT AMONGST THE TWO PROPERTIES. SO WE GOT OUR FORE CLOSURE COST BACK. SO EACH OF THOSE CASES I THINK IT WAS A AND B ON OUR AGENDA. OKAY. EACH OF THOSE CASES THE RECOMMENDATION FROM THE MAGISTRATE FOR THE FIRST CASE WAS $32 5975 AND THE SECOND CASE WAS 35,975.

SO BOTH OF THOSE INCLUDE STAFF COST AND THE FORE CLOSURE COST, FYI. AND MR. MOSER IS HERE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF HIM OR IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS OF MYSELF.

>> OKAY. >> ANY QUESTIONS?

>> JUST TO CLARIFY THAT THE FORE CLOSURE COST WAS SPLIT BETWEEN

THE TWO. >> YES, SIR.

>> CODE ENFORCEMENT. >> YES, SIR.

>> ONE OF THE CASES WAS FOR AN OVERGROWN YARD AND THE OTHER CASE WAS FOR JUNK VEHICLES AND THAT KIND OF STUFF.

>> I'M TRYING TO WRAP MY MIND AROUND THE ENTIRETY OF THE FORE CLOSURE COST BEING COVERED BECAUSE IT LOOKS TO ME ON THE FIRST ONE THAT MAYBE I'M MISREADING THIS IT SAYS THAT IT INCLUDES HALF OF THE COUNTY'S FORE CLOSURE COST ON ONE AND THEN THE SECOND ONE ALSO SAYS AS MUCH BUT YOU'RE NOT RECUPERATING ALL OF IT. SO WHERE AM I MISUNDERSTANDING?

>> I THINK WE ARE INCORPORATING ALL OF THOSE COSTS FOR THE FORE CLOSURE. THAT WAS INFORMATION -- I DON'T KNOW IF I HAVE THAT EMAIL IN FRONT OF ME.

>> THE TOTAL AMOUNT FOR THE FORE CLOSURE WAS $3,119.50.

>> FOR THE FIRST. >> NO.

FOR -- IT WAS ONE FORE CLOSURE ACTION FOR BOTH LIENS SO THE TOTAL COST WAS $3,119. SO I THINK WHAT THEY DID WAS THEY SPLIT THAT IN TWO AND JUST ATTRIBUTED HALF TO EACH LIEN.

>> CORRECT. >> AND THEN THERE'S ALSO THE STAFF'S COST ON EACH ONE WHICH I THINK WAS ACTUALLY THE SAME

AMOUNT AS WELL. >>

. >> SO WE'RE LOOKING AT ONE LIEN BEING $3,059.75 AND THEN THE OTHER LEAN $3,200 ESSENTIALLY.

>> YES, MA'AM. >> THAT CLARIFIES THAT FOR ME.

THANK YOU. >> YES, MA'AM.

>> AND MR. MOSER IS THE CURRENT OWNER, CORRECT? YOU MAY COME UP IF YOU WOULD LIKE.

>> ROBERT MOSER. >> NICE TO HAVE YOU THIS AFTERNOON. SO DID YOU KNOW THERE WAS A LIEN WHEN YOU BOUGHT -- YOU BOUGHT THE PROPERTIES?

>> YES, MA'AM KNOWING THERE WAS A LIEN.

>> YES, MA'AM. >> DID YOU KNOW THAT WE HAD STARTED FORE CLOSURE PROCEEDINGS?

>> I FOUND THAT OUT PRETTY QUICKLY IN THE PROCESS AND I DID A LOT OF DUE DILIGENCE. HATS OFF TO HEATHER RIVERS BECAUSE SHE HELPED ME NAVIGATE AND CONNECTED ME WITH THE RIGHT PEOPLE. THIS WAS NOT AN EASY THING TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT BUT EVENTUALLY I GOT EVERYTHING CONNECTED.

>> OKAY. GOOD. AND THEN YOU OWN THE PROPERTY.

DO YOU LIVE ON THE PROPERTY? >> NO, MA'AM.

>> OKAY. >> I WOULD LIKE TO.

I WOULD LIKE TO BUT MY -- IT'S NOT COMPATIBLE WITH MY WIFE'S

GIANT PETS. >> OH.

>> SO IT'S A LITTLE SMALL FOR THAT.

OTHERWISE, I WOULD LOVE TO LIVE THERE.

IT'S A GREAT PIECE OF PROPERTY. >> ARE YOU GOING SELL IT OR --

>> WE'RE PROBABLY GOING TO KEEP IT AS A VACATION RENTAL TYPE THING. THAT'S THE INITIAL THOUGHT IF IT'S AT LEAST SELF-SUPPORTING WE'LL KEEP IT.

IF NOT, PROBABLY SELL IT. IT'S A REALLY NICE -- WHEN WE GET DONE WITH IT, IT WILL BE REALLY NICE.

IT'S REALLY GONE DOWNHILL SINCE MR. REESE OWNED IT.

>> IT'S A NICE AREA. >> BEAUTIFUL AREA.

THE HOUSE ITSELF IS WELL CONSTRUCTED AND NICE BUT IT HAD SOME UNFORTUNATE JUST DETERIORATION WITH AGE ON THE

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NEVER LIVED IN IT. >> I'VE BEEN THERE DECADES AGO.

BUT ANYWAY. THAT'S NEITHER HERE NOR THERE.

ANY QUESTIONS?

>> OKAY. I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

>> I'LL MOVE THAT WE ACCEPT THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE'S RECOMMENDATION. 35,975 AND 325975.

>> ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR INDICATE WITH AYE.

>> AYE. >> THOSE OPPOSED.

MOTION CARRIES 5-0.

>> IF YOU WANT TO WAIT, MS. STEWART CAN MEET WITH YOU AS WELL. I WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT SPECIAL MAGISTRATE HARTIN MADE IT IN RIGHT AT THE THE END BUT THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE THIS AFTERNOON. WE APPRECIATE YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS.

>> OKAY. WE HAVE ABOUT 19 MINUTES BEFORE OUR 5:00 O'CLOCK TIME CERTAINS. SO WE HAVE THE LETTERS OF

[17.  February 21, 2023 Minutes of the Middleburg/Clay Hill Citizens Advisory Committee]

>> WE CAN MOVE TO OUR SECOND PUBLIC COMMENT.

[18.  Bid Opening Tabulations (K. Smith)]

>> THIS IS FOR THE STAIRCASE OF THE HOME DAMAGED BY I THINK IRMA AND IT'S UP ON STILTS AND THE HOMEOWNER IS RESPONSIBLE TO CONDUCT THE RECONSTRUCTION AND WE'RE GETTING IN THE MIDDLE BY HELPING. HE COULD NOT GET A QUOTE FOR THE STAIRS. SO WE'RE HELPING THE CONSTITUENT OUT WHICH I APPLAUD.

>> WELL, NOW WE HAVE A COUPLE OF OPTIONS.

WE ARE A SUB RECIPIENT OF FDM. THEY WANT THE UPDATED COST ESTIMATE TO CONFIRM THERE'S ENOUGH GRANT FUNDING TO COMPLETE THE PROJECT. SO WE COULD GO BACK AND REBID WITH THE REDUCED SCOPE PROJECT SCOPE.

AND SEE IF WE GET SOME MORE ATTENTION FOR THE PROJECT THAT WAY. CURRENTLY THERE'S AN UNFINISHED ELEVATED DECK THAT'S PART OF THE PROJECT BECAUSE THAT'S THE CONNECTING PIECE TO THE STAIRWELL.

WHICH IS WHAT'S GOING TO PROVIDE THAT ENTRY EXIT THAT FEMA NEEDS TO SEE IN ORDER TO SIGN OFF ON THE PROJECT.

TO CONSIDER IF WE DON'T GET ANOTHER BID.

NEXT STEPS. CURRENTLY WE PAID THE HOMEOWNER ABOUT $129,000 FOR THE PROJECT. SO THERE'S STILL A BALANCE OF

$27,000 ON THE PROJECT NOW. >> IS THERE ANY WAY -- DO WE HAVE ANY CONTACTS WITH FEMA TO SAY WE NEED HELP WITH THIS? IT DID YOU WANT MATTER I WOULD FEEL THIS WAY WITH ANY.

THE LAST THING WE NEED TO DO IS GO --

>> THE PROJECT COMPLETED AT OUR PREVIOUS BOARD MEETING WE DID EXECUTE AN AMENDMENT THAT EXTENDS THE AGREEMENT THROUGH JANUARY, END OF JANUARY 2024 AND FDM IS WANTING TO HOLD US TO THAT SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE LOCKED INTO ABOUT A SIX MONTH TIMELINE TO MAKE SOME PROGRESS. SO WE HAVE $27,000 TO BUILD A STAIRCASE. AND WE CAN'T GET ANYBODY

INTERESTED IN. >> WELL, THAT INCLUDES A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT THE STAIRCASE AND ALSO SOME FINAL UTILITY HOOK UP IN ORDER TO GET A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY FOR THE PROJECT.

BUT YEAH THE HOMEOWNER HAS HAD TROUBLE GETTING ANY BIDS FOR THE STAIRWELL AND LANDINGS. WE OBVIOUSLY HAD A SIMILAR

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>> MADAME CHAIR. THE 27,000 WAS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE POSTED AS PART OF THE BID THAT THEY HAD TO COME IN AT $27,000 OR DID THEY NOT KNOW THAT NUMBER AND JUST DIDN'T BID AT ALL. HOW MANY BID?

>> I THINK WE HAD NO BIDS. >> NO BIDS.

SCAMPERING ONE RESPONDED WITH NO BID.

>> GOOD AFTERNOON. THERE WAS AROUND FOUR OR FIVE BIDDERS THAT AT THE ENDED THE PREBID ON SITE MEETING.

WE WERE ABLE TO CONTACT TWO OF THOSE THIS AFTERNOON PRIOR TO THE MEETING. TWO SAID THAT THEY WOULD BE INTERESTED IN BIDDING ON IT. THEY JUST NEED MORE CLARIFICATION ON WHO'S RESPONSIBLE FOR THE LANDING AND AND THE STAIRWAY. THEY DID NOT WANT TO BE OBLIGATED TO BE ON HOLD. SO IF WE COULD CLARIFY AND TRY AGAIN THAT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION AS TO MAYBE CLARIFY AND ENCOURAGE THEM TO ASK QUESTIONS DURING THE QA PERIOD. BUT WE WERE ONLY ABLE TO MAKE CONTACT WITH TWO CONTRACTORS PRIOR TO THE MEETING.

IF THAT HELPS ANSWER QUESTIONS.

>> SO EXPLAIN AGAIN. THE HOMEOWNER IS ON THE HOOK STILL FOR SOMETHING AND WE WERE TRYING TO FINISH OFF SOMETHING

ELSE WITH THIS BID? >> TRYING TO HELP THEM FINISH

THE LAST FEW THINGS. >> OKAY.

>> SO THE HOMEOWNER IS PUTTING A DECK AROUND THE HOUSE AT THE SAME TIME THAT WE'RE TRYING TO PUT THE STAIRCASE IN SO THE STAIRCASE HAD TO CONNECT TO THE DECK AND THAT WAS PART OF THE BID PACKAGE BUT I THINK WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT DOING IS SAYING THE DECK IS YOURS. DEAL WITH IT AFTER THE FACT.

THE STAIRCASE IS THE REQUIREMENT TO GET A CEO.

WE'RE ONLY GOING TO WORRY ABOUT THE STAIRCASE.

IF IT DOESN'T CONNECT TO YOUR DECK WHEN WE'RE DONE SORRY ABOUT THIS BUT THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE TO DO TO GET THEY PROJECT DONE AND THAT'S WHY WE GO BACK OUT WITH A DIFFERENT BID SCOPE THIS TIME.

>> AND TELL THE CONTRACTORS THAT WE DON'T NEED THEM TO HOOK INTO THE DECK THAT THE HOMEOWNER IS BUILDING BECAUSE MY UNDERSTANDING IS NOT THAT FAR ALONG AND IT WOULD BE ON THE HOMEOWNER TO CONNECT THAT DECK IN AT A LATER POINT IN TIME BECAUSE THE DECK IS NOT A REQUIREMENT OF FEMA FROM MY

UNDERSTANDING. >> OR BUILDING OFFICIALS.

>> RIGHT. IF IT'S THERE AND HAS TO CONNECT

TO THE STAIRS. >> WE TALKED TO OUR BUILDING OFFICIAL A MINIMUM IS THREE BY THREE.

>> RIGHT. >> LANDING.

>> WE WOULD MAKE THAT PART OF THE BID.

>> SO WE COULD REALLY TRULY CHANGE THE SCOPE AND NOT LOSE ANYTHING. I THINK I'M IN FAVOR OF THAT.

>> WE NEED TO HELP AS MUCH AS WE CAN SIMPLY BECAUSE IF THERE IS A CLAW BACK AND THE OWNER CAN'T REPAY, WE PAY.

SO IT'S A MUTUAL BENEFIT. EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT OUR

RESPONSIBILITY. >> DOES ANYONE HAVE AN ISSUE

WITH REBIDDING IT? >> NO.

I THINK THAT'S THE ONLY CHOICE THAT WE HAVE.

CLARIFYING THE SCOPE OF THE REBID IS GOING TO BE ASHLEY ESSENTIAL. AND I THINK THE HOMEOWNER HAS TO BE WELL ADVISED THAT THEY NEED TO FINISH THE DECK AND THEY'LL BE RESPONSIBLE, WHOEVER THEY GET, DO THEY HAVE SOMEONE ACTUALLY BUILDING THAT OR NO? THEY FOUND A -- SO THEY DIDN'T HAVE A CONTRACTOR WITH THAT EITHER.

>> NO.

>> AND SO THE HOMEOWNER IS ACTUALLY ON THE HOOK TO PAY FOR THE DECK. IT'S NOT INCLUDED AS PART OF THE

ORIGINAL REPAIRS. >> YEAH.

IT'S ONLY INCLUDED BECAUSE THAT'S PART OF THE CONNECTION PIECE TO THIS STAIRWELL AT THIS TIME.

>> NOT THE FULL DECK. JUST THE LANDING.

>> YES. >> RIGHT.

THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE TO TELL THEM.

CAN WE GET THEM TO DO A BID FOR THE STAIRWELL AND THE LANDING AND JUST BE DONE WITH IT AND SAY IF HE WANTS TO DECK HE'LL JUST HAVE TO DO IT ON HIS OWN. AT THIS POINT WE'RE JUST TRYING TO GET THE THING COMPLETED SO IT CAN BE OCCUPIED.

SOUND LIKE A POSSIBILITY? >> UH-HUH.

>> YES. I THINK SO.

YES.

THAT WOULD BE -- >> SOUNDS LIKE THAT'S THE BEST OPTION WE HAVE. OKAY.

>> I'LL MAKE -- DO WE NEED A MOTION OR JUST DIRECTION.

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>> WHAT DO YOU NEED? >> JUST DIRECTION.

>> OKAY.

>> TO ASSIST. >> YES.

OKAY. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU.

BRING IT IN FOR A LANDING.

>> WE NEED A LANDING. >> COMMISSION AUDITOR.

COUNTY ATTORNEY. COUNTY MANAGER.

>> NO, MA'AM PENDING ANY QUESTIONS.

>> EVERYONE IS FEW WORDS TODAY. >> WE JUST BACKTRACK A LITTLE BIT TO OUR COMMISSIONER AUDITOR IF WE COULD.

ABOUT A MONTH OR SO I ASKED IF WE COULD COME UP WITH A NUMBER OF UNITS THAT THE MASTER PLAN. WE'RE LIMITED TO 24,490 IF MY MATH IS STILL WITH ME. AND I'M JUST CURIOUS IF MAYBE WE COULD GET A QUICK REPORT WHERE WE ARE WITH THAT AND WHEN WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO SEE SOME RESULTS MOVING FORWARD ON TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE WE ARE.

THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU HAVE EXTRA TIME.

>> I DON'T KNOW THAT I CAN TALK FIVE MINUTES ON THIS.

TROY AND I HAVE MET AND GONE OVER SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT. HE -- HIM AND HIS TEAM ARE WORKING ON PULLING REPORTS FOR US TO START LOOKING AT AND MERGING ALL THE NUMBERS TOGETHER.

WE ALSO HAVE A COUPLE OF BUCKETS OF THINGS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT

SO I EXPECT IT MAYBE NEXT MONTH. >> HE'S SHOWING ME SOMETHING.

HE'LL HAVE DATA TOMORROW.

>> OKAY. >> COMMISSIONER BURKE.

>> SO FOR THOSE WATCHING CAN Y'ALL EXPLAIN WHAT Y'ALL ARE

TALKING ABOUT? >> THE MASTER PLAN ACTUALLY IN THE PLAN HAS A CERTAIN NUMBER OF RESIDENTIAL NUMBERS CALLED FOR WHICH IS 24,490. IT'S UNCLEAR TO ME WHETHER THE RESIDENTIAL UNITS MEAN INDIVIDUAL SINGLE FAMILY HOMES OR WHETHER THEY MEAN IF IT'S A 300 UNIT APARTMENT COMPLEX WHETHER THOSE COUNT. THAT'S SOME OF WHAT I THINK WE'LL FIND OUT WHEN THEY START COUNTING AND FIGURING OUT WHAT'S

THERE. >> THAT'S WHAT'S ALREADY BEEN

APPROVED. >> YES.

IT'S PART OF THE MASTER PLAN. IF YOU LOOK THAT UP, THERE'S A SEGMENT FROM THE BEGINNING THAT SAYS IT'S GOING TO BE LIMITED TO

24,490. >> WHICH MEANS WE CANNOT DO ANYTHING ABOUT THAT BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY APPROVED CORRECT.

RIGHT. OKAY.

>> WE COULD DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.

I MEAN, THAT'S AN OPTION THAT WE COULD EITHER INCREASE OR DECREASE DEPENDING ON WHAT HAPPENED THE COUNTY ATTORNEY SAYS WHETHER THAT'S POSSIBLE. HOW DIFFICULT THAT IS OR EASY IT IS, THAT'S A DIFFERENT STORY. RIGHT NOW IT'S 24490.

AND BEFORE WE CAN THINK ABOUT DOING ANYTHING WE SORT OF NEED TO KNOW WHERE WE ARE. THAT'S WHY THE DISCUSSION REVOLVES AROUND THAT AND THAT'S THE REQUEST.

>> YEAH. SO SOME OF THE THINGS WE TALK ABOUT LOOKING AT IS LIKE HE SAID WHAT THAT 24,000 MEANS.

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>> IS THERE SOME MECHANISM ASIDE FROM A PIECE OF PAPER THAT WE CAN PUT INTO SOMEPLACE TO TRACK THESE THINGS SO IT DOESN'T BECOME A SITUATION WHERE WE'RE KIND OF CAUGHT IN THE END.

BECAUSE THIS HAS GONE ON, THIS IS 17 YEARS, SO I DON'T EXPECT ANYBODY -- I'M NOT ASKING FOR AN ANSWER RIGHT NOW BUT -- OKAY.

>> IF THEY WERE ABLE TO PUT IT TO THE 24,490 I'M SURE THEY HAD A RATIONALE BUT IT COULD HAVE ALSO BEEN JUST A RANDOM NUMBER THAT THEY DECIDED WOULD BE ENOUGH ON WHATEVER REASON AND

PUT IT IN THERE. >> NOBODY HERE IN THIS ROOM AT THIS POINT IN TIME WAS THERE TO MAKE A DETERMINATION AS TO WHERE

THEY GOT THE NUMBER FROM. >> RIGHT.

I JUST -- TALKED ABOUT BEING FOR THE TAKING.

EVERY TIME I'VE ASKED THAT -- SO I DON'T WANT THE PUBLIC TO THINK THAT WE CAN ALSO OF A SUDDEN DECREASE.

WE DON'T KNOW FOR SURE SO WE'RE JUST EXPLORING IT AT THIS TIME.

AND WE PROBABLY COULDN'T I THINK TAKE AWAY WHAT HAS ALREADY BEEN

APPROVED. >> RIGHT.

>> THAT'S THE BIGGEST PART OF THAT QUESTION.

WHATEVER ZONING AND LAND USE THEY CURRENTLY HAVE, WE CAN'T DECREASE DENSITY ON THAT. WE CAN'T DECIDE ANY OF THESE PROPERTIES WITH MASTER PLAN COMMUNITY THAT WE'RE GOING TO TAKE THEM BACK TO RURAL RESIDENTIAL OR THE SOMETHING

LIKE THAT. >> RIGHT NOW WE NEED TO KNOW WITH THE ZONING HOW MANY OF THE APPROVALED --

>> WHAT'S THE HIGHEST NUMBER OF HOMES THAT YOU COULD PUT IN EACH CATEGORY PER THE ZONING. THAT GETS THE TOTAL AMOUNT OF WHAT HAVE BASICALLY ALREADY APPROVED JUST BY THE ZONING

RIGHT OR LAND USE. >> YES.

SO AS OF RIGHT NOW, WITH THEIR ZONING THESE DEVELOPERS CAN COME IN AND DEVELOP PROPERTIES WITHOUT HAVING TO COME TO US AS LONG AS THEY DO NOT WANT DENSELY --

>> AND WHAT THEY ALREADY HAVE. >> AND THEN OBVIOUSLY THE QUESTION YOU ASKED WE CAN TRACK THAT ONCE WE HAVE THAT NUMBER THEY CAN DETERMINE WHAT'S THE BEST WAY TO TRACK THAT WHETHER IT'S A PERMIT BASIS. KEEPING TRACK.

BUT THEN AT THAT POINT THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO TELL YOU PRETTY QUICKLY BY JUST LOOKING AT WHATEVER MECHANISM WHETHER IT'S SOME KIND OF SPREADSHEET OR ELECTRONIC, WHATEVER THE CASE

MAY BE. >> WE'LL HAVE WAYS TO DOUBLE

CHECK. >> MIGHT HAVE A NEW PROJECT.

>> THAT'S RIGHT.

>> ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.

>>> OKAY. WE ARE AT 4:59. SO WE WILL MOVE TO OUR FIRST 5:00 O'CLOCK TIME CERTAIN. THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING ON THE ADOPTION OF AN ORDINANCE AMENDING ORDINANCE NUMBER 2017-9

[10.  Public Hearing on the adoption of an Ordinance amending Ordinance No. 2017-9, which established the Wilford Preserve Community Development District in order to amend and expand the Boundaries of the Wilford Preserve Community Development District (C. Grimm)]

>> YES. AS YOU MAY RECALL THIS WAS CONTINUED FROM A PREVIOUS MEETING.

AFTER A REQUEST. AND HERE ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT AND THE WILFORD PRESERVE.

>> I REPRESENT THE CDD. THE CHAIRMAN OF THE CDD IS ON HIS WAY. GOT STUCK IN A TRAFFIC JAM.

SO HE'S NOT HERE YET. I APOLOGIZE.

BUT THE CDD PRESENTLY EXISTS. THIS IS A REQUEST FOR AN EXPANSION OF THE EXISTING CDD. THE NUMBER OF ACRES SOUGHT ADDED IS 86.55. IT WOULD ADD 148 LOTS TO THE

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THOSE HAVE ALREADY BEEN GRANTED OR IF THEY HAVEN'T BEEN GRANTED, THE DEVELOPER WOULD NEED TO COME TO THE DOWNTOWNTY TO GET THOSE.

THIS THE IS JUST EXPANDING THE CDD OVER THOSE LOTS SO THAT THE HOMEOWNERS THAT WILL LIVE IN THOSE LOTS WILL BE IN THE SAME CDD AS THE EXISTING AREA AND GET ALL THE SAME BENEFITS OF BEING IN THAT CDD AND AMENITY AFILLTY, STORM WATER IMPROVEMENTS, MAINTENANCE THAT THE CDD UNDERTAKES WOULD BE SPREAD TO THE PROPERTY ADDEDED TO THE CDD. SO I'M HAPPY TO GO INTO DETAIL OR JUST ANSWER QUESTIONS.

>> IT'S FUNNY YOU BRING UP STORM WATER.

COMMISSIONER RENNEKER HAD STORM WATER CONCERNS AT OUR LAST MEETING BUT I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO DISCUSS THOSE.

>> THANK YOU. I DID MEET WITH MR. CALLING I THINK YESTERDAY. AND IT'S AN EFFORT TO ECONOMYIZE THE CURRENT PRESERVE WITH THE ADDITION 148 HOMES THEY'LL SHARE STORM WATER. SHARE AMENITY CENTER.

THERE'S A WALKING PATH TO GET TO THE AMENITIES CENTER OR YOU CAN DRIVE. SO I'M -- AND IT WILL PUT ALL THE LEGISLATURE UNDER ONE BODY, ONE CDD.

INSTEAD OF CREATING ANOTHER ONE. I'M IN FAVOR OF IT.

>> OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT.

SEEING NONE, I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

IS THERE ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO COME UP AND SPEAK TO US ON THIS ITEM? SEEING NONE I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

AND I'LL BRING IT BACK TO THE BOARD FOR A MOTION.

>> I'LL MOVE APPROVAL OF THE ADDITIONAL EXPANSION OF THE

WILFORD PRESERVE CDD? >> DO WE HAVE A SECOND?

>> SECOND. >> MOTION AND SECOND.

FURTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE ALL IN FAVOR INDICATE WITH AYE.

>> AYE. >> OPPOSED.

MOTION CARRIES 5-0.

[11.  Public Hearing on the Closing, Vacating and Abandoning of Right of Way adjacent to Parsonage St. (C. Grimm)]

THANK YOU, SIR. >>> OUR SECOND IS PUBLIC HEARING ON THE CLOSING VACATING AND ABANDONING OF RIGHT OF WAY

ADJACENT TO PARSONAGE STREET. >> YOU WERE HERE IN CONNECTION WITH AN APPLICATION TO ABANDON A RIGHT OF WAY WHICH WAS FORMALLY KNOWN AS THE OLD MIDDLEBURG DUMP ROAD AND IT RUNS BETWEEN PARSONAGE AND DEAD ENDS INTO PROPERTY OWNED BY MR. CARTER.

I BELIEVE MR. CARTER AND HIS WIFE TONYA ARE BOTH HERE.

THEY ARE THE APPLICANTS. THEY HAVE WORKED TO OBTAIN THE CONSENT OF ALL SURROUNDING PROPERTY OWNERS.

AS I MENTIONED LAST TIME ONE PROPERTY OWNER HAS A CONSERVATION EASEMENT OWNED BY ST. JOHN'S WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT AND THEY EMAILED THAT THEY DID NOT HAVE CONCERNS.

>> OKAY. >> MR. CARTER, WOULD YOU LIKE TO COME UP?

>> EXCUSE ME IF I DON'T KNOW THE FORMALITIES.

>> NO WORRIES. >> WE PURCHASED A PROPERTY OUT THERE ABOUT EIGHT YEARS AGO. TEN ACRES OF IT.

AND THEN HAVE ACQUIRED THE LAND BEHIND IT AND ACROSS THE STREET FROM IT. THE RIGHT OF WAY DOESN'T GO ANYWHERE. IT'S A WETLAND.

THE COUNTY DID NOT WANT TO SPEND MONEY -- THERE'S A WATER DRAINAGE DITCH IT CROSSES ON THE WAY IN.

AND THAT CROSSING IS STARTING TO COLLAPSE ON BOTH SIDES.

TECHNICALLY IT BELONGS TO THE COUNTY SO I CAN'T GO IN AND DO WHATEVER I WANT WITH IT. I HAVE NO PROBLEM FIXING IT BUT IF I DON'T FIX IT THE COUNTY NEEDS TO BECAUSE ONCE IT COLLAPSE ANESTHESIA GET TO MY PROPERTY AT ALL.

-- COLLAPSES, I CAN'T GET TO MY PROPERTY AT ALL.

>> IT'S, LIKE, 300 FEET LONG. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH WHERE IT'S AT. THE FIRST PART COMES THROUGH THE CHURCH'S PARKING LOT. IT'S ONLY LIKE 15 FEET THERE.

AND THEN IT TURNS TO 60 FEET THEY SAY I HAVEN'T MEASURED IT OR HAD IT SURVEYED. I DON'T KNOW.

IT'S BEEN REDUCED OVER THE YEARS BUT ORIGINALLY IT WAS 60 FEET DONATED TO THE COUNTY IN 71 I THINK.

THE ORIGINAL WAS 50. AND THERE WERE MODIFICATIONS IN 71. IF YOU START DIGGING BACK THERE IT STILL IS A DUMP. NO TELLING WHAT YOU'LL FIND.

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WE'D LIKE TO HAVE IT -- IF THEY WOULD LIKE TO SELL IT IT'S NOT A -- IT'S JUST IN THE MIDDLE OF MY PROPERTY.

AND I CAN FIX IT ALL. >> SO YOU ACCESS YOUR PROPERTY

THROUGH THE CHURCH PARKING LOT? >> CORRECT.

>> MY ADDRESS IS PARSONAGE BUT I'M NOT ON PARSONAGE.

>> YEAH. >> I'M ON OLD DUMP ROAD.

>> I ASSUME THIS IS YOUR HOUSE. >> THAT'S ME.

MIDDLE OF NOWHERE. ON TOP OF THE HILL.

THERE'S A FENCE THERE I WOULD LIKE TO REMOVE.

IT'S TECHNICALLY I GUESS MY PFE. BUT I WAS GOING TO LEAF IT THERE IF THE COUNTY IS GOING TO KEEP IT.

WE'RE SUPPOSED TO SAY OR DO. >> IT'S FINE.

>> DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. CARTER?

>> I JUST HAVE COMMENTS. DO YOU WANT TO OR DO PUBLIC

HEARING FIRST? >> PUBLIC HEARING FIRST.

>> IT'S NICE TO MEET YOU. I'M YOUR COMMISSIONER.

>> OKAY. >> I RECOGNIZED THE NAME

>> YEAH. OKAY. SO I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND THEN IF THERE'S ANYONE HERE TO SPEAK AND THEN AFTER THAT WE'LL HAVE COMMENTS AND MOVE FORWARD.

>> OKAY. THANK YOU.

>> ALL RIGHT. I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

IS THERE ANYONE HERE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? SEEING NONE, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND BRING IT BACK. COMMISSIONER RENNEKER.

>> THANK YOU. YEAH.

I BROUGHT THIS TO OUR ATTENTION LAST MEETING FOR TWO REASON.

ONE, THERE'S FLORIDA STATUTE THAT WENT IN EFFECT 1 JULY LAST WEEK I GUESS WHICH REQUIRES THE COUNTY TO LOOK AT ALL PROPERTY FOR SUITABILITY FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND SUCH AND THERE'S A REQUIREMENT SO I WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE COMPLY WITH THE SUBSTITUTE. SECOND ITEM -- STATUTE.

SECOND ITEM IS TODAY WE'RE ON THE AGENDA THERE'S A PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT WE'RE GOING TO PURCHASE FOR AROUND $315,000 AN ACRE. AND HERE'S AN ACRE OF PROPERTY THAT WE'RE GIVING AWAY SO I ASKED TO IF THEY COULD LOOK AT THIS PROPERTY. ITS SUITABILITY FOR ALTERNATIVE PURPOSES. AND I JUST RECEIVED I THINK WE ALL RECEIVED A REPORT FROM MR. CHAPMAN AND IF HE COULD COME UP AND CHRONICLE WHAT HIS RESEARCH REVEALED ON THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY.

>> GOOD EVENING, Y'ALL. FOR THIS PARTICULAR PIECE OF PROPERTY IT'S ABOUT AN ACRE AND A QUARTER.

ABOUT A QUARTER OF IT IS WETLANDS.

ABOUT A QUARTER OF IT THAT IS -- QUARTER OF AN ACRE IS DEVELOPABLE. IT'S NARROW.

COMMUNICATIONS TOWER CAN'T GO ON IT.

DUE TO ITS SIZE. LAYOUT.

IT REALLY THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE FOR IT IS FOR THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS AND THAT'S REALLY THE ONLY PERSON TO HAVE ANY ACTUAL VALUE OUT OF IT. WE COULD PUT IT ON THE MARKET BUT THEN WE WOULD BE ON THE HOOK FOR ALL THE REPAIRS THAT MR. CARTER JUST BROUGHT UP. WHICH I DON'T KNOW WOULD OFFSET THE COST OF US SELLING IT. AT THE LEAST WE'LL COME OUT EQUAL. AT BEST CASE.

THEN ALSO IN THE PROCESS OF THIS WE GO T -- PUT TOGETHER AN OUTLINE FOR DETERMINING THESE VALUES AND USES GOING FORWARD.

>> I WAS GOING TO POINT THAT OUT.

I LIKE THAT. THAT'S THE LAST PAGE ON YOUR PACKET. AND WE'LL PUT THAT IN THE MINUTES BUT IT'S A VERY GOOD OUTLINE.

SO APPRECIATE THAT. >> YES, MA'AM.

>> I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK ON THAT. IT WAS THOROUGH.

>> ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? MR. CARTER, YOU SAID YOU'VE BEEN MAINTAINING THIS FOR THE PAST

EIGHT YEARS NOT THE COUNTY? >> THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT YOU SAID.

>> DRIVING A HARD BARGAIN. >> ALL RIGHT.

I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. >> JUST BEFORE DO YOU THAT I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT RAY AVERY IS HERE FROM THE CHURCH I WANTED YOU TO KNOW THAT HE WAS PRESENT AS WELL.

>> OKAY.

>> THANK YOU.

DID HE WANT TO SAY ANYTHING. DO YOU WANT TO SPEAK?

>> I'M THE OFFICER OF FIRST BIAS AND PREJUDICE AT THISES CHURCH.

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SO WE'RE WORKING ON THAT NOW. AND SO WE'LL WORK ON IT AND MR.

CARTER WILL MAKE IT HAPPEN. >> IS HE A GOOD NEIGHBOR?

>> YES. >> GOOD.

>> THAT'S GOOD TO KNOW. ANYBODY HAVE QUESTIONS FOR MR. AVERY? AND YOU'RE THE ONLY NEIGHBOR CORRECT? THOUGHT SO.

FIRST BAPTIST MIDDLEBURG IS A GREAT NEIGHBOR IS RECOGNIZED ON RECORD.

>> I'LL MOVE APPROVAL OF ABANDONING OF THE RIGHT OF WAY.

>> SECOND. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?

>> ALL IN FAVOR INDICATE WITH AYE.

>> AYE. >> OPPOSED.

MOTION PASS CARRIES 5-0. THANK YOU.

>>> THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE. WE'VE LEARNED A LOT THROUGH THIS PROCESS.

[12.  Public Hearing for the purpose of considering the entry into a Purchase and Sale Agreement for the purchase by the County of real property necessary for the Bonded Transporation Program, more particularly described as a portion of Tax Parcel No. 29-05-26-014441-000-00 and authorization for County Manager to execute all documents necessary to close the acquisition (C. Grimm/E. Dendor)]

>> SO THIS HANDLING THIS FOR ED DENDOR BUT IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS JOSH IS HANGING OUT. THIS IS A PARCEL, A PORTION OF A PARCEL IN CONNECTION WITH ONE OF THE BONDED TRANSPORTATION PROGRAM PROJECTS. LIT BE USED JUST TO EXPAND THE RIGHT OF WAY. IT'S NOT FOR A POND OR ANYTHING.

JUST PART OF THE FRONT PART OF THEIR PROPERTY.

>> OKAY. AND DOES ANYONE HAVE QUESTIONS FOR COURTNEY OR WGI? REASONABLY PRUDENT PERSON WE GOING TO HAVE TO BUY THE OTHER PORTION OR JUST ONLY THIS PORTION?

>> JUST THIS PORTION. >> ALL RIGHT.

I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? SEEING NONE, I'LL CLOSE THE HEARING AND BRING IT BACK TO THE BOARD. THAT WAS A WEAK CLOSE.

ANY DISCUSSION?

I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. >> I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PURCHASE AND SALE AGREEMENT FOR THAT PURCHASE

OF COUNTY REAL PROPERTY. >> I'LL SECOND.

>> MOTION AND SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?

ALL IN FAVOR, AYE. >> AYE.

>> OPPOSED. MOTION CARRIES 5-0.

[13.  Public Hearing for the purpose of considering the entry into a Purchase and Sale Agreement for the purchase by the County of real property necessary for future Public Safety facilities, more particularly described as Tax Parcel No. 29-04-25-008064-006-00 and authorization for County Manager to execute all documents necessary to close the acquisition. Additional approval to transfer funds within the CIP Fund. (A. Chapman)]

>>> NEXT WE HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE PURPOSE OF ENTERING THE ENTRY INTO A PURCHASE AND SALE AGREEMENT FOR THE PURCHASE OF THE COUNTY OF REAL PROPERTY NECESSARY FOR FUTURE PUBLIC SAFETY FACILITIES, PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED AS TAX PAR KELL WITH THE NAME AND AUTHORIZATION FOR THE COUNTY MANAGER TO EXECUTE ALL DOCUMENTS NECESSARY TO CLOSE THE ACQUISITION. ADDITIONAL APPROVAL OF TRANSFER FUNDS WITHIN THE CIP. MR. CHAPMAN IS GOING TO BRING UP A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION. I GUESS I SHOULD ADD THAT THIS IS A PROPOSED FIRE STATION FOR THE OLD JENNINGS OAK LEAF AREA.

>> THAT IS CORRECT. THIS FIRE STATION WILL BE DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF IF YOU ALL CHOOSE WILL BE DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF THE CCUA FACILITY. IF YOU DROVE PAST THERE, SORRY.

IF YOU DROVE PAST THERE IT APPEARS IT IS ACTUALLY PART OF THIS FACILITY BUT IT'S ABOUT FOUR AND A QUARTER ACRES IN AN EXCELLENT SPOT AS FAR AS RESPONSE TIMES.

FROM MY WHEEL HOUSE EYE IT'S $1.35 MILLION FOR THE PROPERTY AND IT'S A FLAT DRY RECTANGLE. AND THAT'S THE BEST CASE.

COMPARABLE PRICES IN THE AREA ARE SIMILAR.

THEY'RE ALL HIGH. IT'S A HUGE AMOUNT STILL BUT IT'S COMPARABLE IN PRICE FOR THE USABLE ACREAGE IN THE AREA.

>> OKAY. ANYONE HAVE QUESTIONS FOR ADAM?

OR FOR CHIEF MOTT? >> ADAM, THE SATELLITE PICTURE THAT I HAVE ACTUALLY HAS A DRIVEWAY THAT STARTS TO THAT FIRST BUILDING TO RIGHT. IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WILL GO AWAY? DO WE HAVE TO KEEP THAT IN

PLACE? >> THAT DRIVEWAY IS TO THE DENTIST OFFICE THAT'S THERE. THAT DENTIST OFFICE -- SO THAT ENTRANCE WE'LL HAVE TO WORK AROUND.

IT'S PART OF IT. THERE'S AN EASEMENT ACROSS THAT PROPERTY SO WE'LL BE WORKING WITH THAT DRIVEWAY.

BUT IT TAKES UP -- BUT ALSO IN BETWEEN THAT WHERE THE DRIVEWAY

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>> IT'S NOT GOING TO BE A PROBLEM?

>> NOT TO MY KNOWLEDGE, NO, SIR. >> THANK YOU.

>> CAN I INVITE THE CHIEF UP? THIS PARCEL IS IN MY DISTRICT AND I WOULD LOVE FOR HIM TO SHARE ABOUT HOW THIS WILL IMPACT THE DISTRICT AND BENEFIT SPECIFICALLY DISTRICT TWO AND THREE.

>> THE PROPERTY IN QUESTION I THINK IS THE ALMOST PERFECT EPICENTER. IF YOU LOOK AT WHERE OUR STATIONS ARE PLACED CURRENTLY IN THAT GENERAL AREA, WE OPERATE OUT OF STATION 17 IN PEORIA. WE OPERATE OUT OF STATION 14 EVERETT AND BLANDING ESSENTIALLY IN THE CENTER OF MIDDLEBURG AND 26 IN THE OAK LEAF AREA. BUT THAT AREA SPECIFICALLY AND WE IDENTIFY THAT BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE EFFECTIVE COVERAGE PREDOMINANTLY TO THE WEST WHERE WE HAVE DEVELOPMENTS IN THE TINES BOULEVARD AREA THAT ARE OUTSIDE THE FIVE MILE DRIVING DISTANCES THAT WE CURRENTLY UTILIZE FOR ISO FOR THE OPTIMAL FIRE PROTECTION AND THE FOX MED DOES AREA.

SO BY PLACING THE STATION AT THIS LOCATION WE WOULD ADDRESS THAT BUT I THINK MORE IMPORTANTLY, WE'VE ALL SEEN THE TREMENDOUS DEVELOPMENT TAKING PLACE AT THE INTERSECTION OF BRANDONFIELD AND BLANDING. WE HAVE NURSING HOMES.

WE HAVE HOSPITAL AND OTHER MEDICAL CARE FACILITIES AND MORE TROUBLING TO ME I THINK IS THAT WE HAVE LOTS OF MULTIFAMILY HOMES THAT ARE GOING INTO THAT REEKS.

I THINK I LOOKED AT IT AND IT WAS UP I'M GOING TO SAY IN THE THOUSANDS OF UNITS THAT ARE GOING INTO THAT AREA.

>> WHAT IT WILL DO IS EXPAND IT INTO NEIGHBORHOODS THAT CURRENTLY DON'T HAVE COVERAGE OUTSIDE THE FIVE MILE DRIVING DISTANCES AND WHEN THEY GO TO LOOK AT RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY

DURING THE HIRE. >> THAT'S THE POINT I'M GETTING AT. EVEN THOUGH WE'RE PAYING A PREMIUM FOR THE PROPERTY WE'RE PROVIDING AN IMPROVEMENT IN RESPONSE AND A REDUCTION. TO OUR CONSTITUENTS.

THAT'S THE POINT. >> THANK YOU.

>> AND JUST CHIEF IF YOU WOULD WHAT'S THE TIMING? WHAT DO WE VERY THAT ON CIP FOR CONSTRUCTION?

>> NOTE EXACTLY. IT WAS SOMETHING THAT WE PROPOSED AND HAVE TO MOVE AND SO WE'LL BE SHIFTING AROUND SOME PRIORITIES BUT I THINK THAT THE AMOUNT OF DEVELOPMENT TAKING PLACE THERE I LOOKED AT THE AREA IMMEDIATELY AROUND MIDDLEBURG AND THAT IS GOING TO EXPLODE IN MULTIFAMILY HOMES AND MULTISTORY MULTIFAMILY HOMES THAT DEMANDS US TO DO SOMETHING MORE QUICKLY

THAN I THINK WE HAD ANTICIPATED. >> CHIEF, WILL BE ABLE TO DO SOMETHING TEMPORARY THERE ON THAT LOCATION? I KNOW WE'VE HAD THAT CONVERSATION IN THE PAST.

>> I THINK WE'LL BE ABLE TO DO SOMETHING TEMPORARY.

WHETHER WE UTILIZE THAT LOCATION OR PUT A COMPANY OR ARCHITECT OR OTHER THINGS ON AN IMMEDIATE FAST TRACK TO DO SOMETHING THERE I THINK THAT'S MORE LIKELY. WE WILL PROBABLY HAVE TO SHOE HORN COVERAGE INTO THOSE ADDITIONAL STATIONS TO WORK IT FROM THE PERIPHERY UNTIL WE CAN GET IT BUT WE NEED TO MOVE ON

THIS AND MOVE ON IT QUICKLY >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE

CHIEF OR ADAM? >> SEEING NONE I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO US ON THE ACQUISITION OF THIS PROPERTY FOR A FIRE STATION IN

. >> I CALL IT BRANDONFIELD, OLD

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DOES IT HAVE A NUMBER? NUMBER ONE.

BURGLAR FIRE STATION NUMBER ONE. WHICH REMARKABLY HAS NOT BEEN TAKEN. I FEEL LIKE IT'S A FOOTBALL TEAM. OKAY. SEEING NONE, I GAVE YOU SOME TIME THERE. CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND BRING IT BACK TO THE BOARD FOR MOVEMENT.

>> I MOVE APPROVAL FOR CONSIDERING THE PURCHASE AND SALE AGREEMENT. SPECIFIC TO THIS PARCEL.

>> DOES IT INCLUDE EXECUTING DOCKS AND TRANSFERRING FUNDS?

>> YES. >> OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION INCLUDING ALL THREE ITEMS IN THIS ITEM.

>> SECOND. >> OKAY. SECOND.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?

ALL IN FAVOR, AYE. >> AYE.

>> OPPOSED. MOTION CARRIES 5-0.

>>> THE NEXT TWO -- THREE. -- NO.

THE FIRST ONE IS NOT. SO IT'S ONLY THE 15 AND 16 RIGHT? THAT WE NEED TO --

>> SO FOR THE NEXT THREE ITEMS, 14, 15, AND 16, ARE PUBLIC HEARINGS TO CHANGE ZONINGS. AND SO IF YOU ARE HERE TO -- IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK AT THE PUBLIC HEARING, SO IF YOU ARE THE APPLICANT OR ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK AT THOSE HEARINGS, IF YOU COULD PLEASE STAND AND CHRISTY WILL SWEAR YOU IN ALL AT ONE TIME. AND BECAUSE OUR ZONING HEARINGS ARE CONSIDERED QUASI JUDICIAL SO SHE WILL SWEAR YOU IN AND THEN WE WILL MOVE FORWARD. ANYONE SPEAKING ON ITEMS 14, 15, 16, PLEASE STAND.

>> THAT INCLUDES THE APPLICANT OR AGENTS, PLEASE.

JUST THE TWO OF YOU. ALL RIGHT.

>>

. >> ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

[14.  First Public Hearing to consider ZON-0623-00013 (M. Brown)]

>> MIKE BROWN ZONING CHIEF. THIS IS A LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE CHANGE PROPOSED BY STAFF. THIS IS A FIRST PUN LICK HEARING SO NO ACTION WILL BE NEEDED TODAY BY THE BOARD.

THIS IS A REQUEST TO AMEND SECTION 3-5 BAOF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE WHICH RELATES TO THE CONDITIONAL USE FOR BOAT SISTERAGE AND RV FACILITY. JUST A LITTLE OVERVIEW.

PRESENTLY, THE RV AND BOAT STORAGE CONDITIONAL USE RECOGNIZES THAT SUCH FACILITIES ARE STANDALOAN FACILITIES THAT PROVIDE A COMMERCIAL SERVICE FOR STORAGE SPACE FOR RVS AND BOATS.

ONE CONDITION OF THAT BECAUSE OF THAT BELIEF IS THAT THERE'S A MINIMUM SIZE OF THREE ACRES FOR THAT TYPE OF FACILITY.

WHAT STAFF IS PROPOSING TO CHANGE TO IS RECOGNIZING THAT WHEN YOU HAVE BOAT STORAGE ONLY AND SO TAKING OUT THE RV PIECE OF IT, IT IS COMPLEMENTARY USE TO A MARINA USE.

AND WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS THAT IN THOSE CASES WHERE YOU HAVE BOAT STORAGE ONLY, ADJACENT TO A MARINA FACILITY TO WAIVE THE THREE ACRE REQUIREMENT. THE BOAT STORAGE FACILITY WOULD BE ADJACENT AND HAVE ACCESS TO THE MARINA.

THIS SLIDE SHOWS THE PROPOSED WORDING THAT WE'RE PROPOSING AND STATES THE REQUIREMENT DOESN'T APPLY IF THE PARCEL IS IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO A PUBLIC OR PRIVATE MARINA WITH BOAT RAMPS. IT IS USED ONLY FOR BOAT STORAGE AND PROVIDES ACCESS FROM THE PAR STOLE THE MARINA AND COMPLIES WITH THE OTHER REQUIREMENTS SET FORTH IN THE PARAGRAPH ABOVE WHICH IS SECTION BA OF OUR CONDITIONAL USE SECTION.

ALL OF THE OTHER REQUIREMENTS IS SET BACKS, BUFFERING

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THIS HAVE TO GET ON THE ROAD TO PULL THEIR BOAT TO AMARINA.

IN THOSE CASES WHERE IT EXISTS AND THE OPPORTUNITY ARISES, THEY WOULD NOT BE IMPACTED GOING OUT ON A MAJOR ROAD JUST ACCESSING DIRECTLY TO THE MARINA.

STAFF RECOMMENDS APICK-AND-ROLL. THE PLANNING COMMISSION DID -- JULY MEETING AND THEY VOTED 5-2 TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL WITH THE FOLLOWING CHANGES. FIRST ONE BEING THAT THE ADJACENT PARCEL MUST BE OWNED BY THE SAME OWNER OF THE MARINA AND THAT STORAGE OF ONLY TRAILER BOATS BE ALLOWED THERE.

IN THAT CASE WAS DRY STACKING OF BOATS AND SOP THEY HAD RECOMMENDED AS PART OF THEIR MOTION TO ONLY LIMIT IT TO BOATS FOR STORAGE. ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF, AGAIN, NO ACTION IS NEEDED BY THE BOARD TODAY.

AND IT WILL COME BACK TO YOU AT YOUR NEXT MEETING FOR THE SECOND READING.

>> QUESTIONS FOR MIKE?

>> MIKE, IF I COULD -- SO THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD PUT IN TWO ADDITIONAL ELEMENTS TO THE ZONING IS THAT U --

>> TO THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION. >> WE CAN APPROVE THAT WITH THEM

OR WITHOUT THAT RIGHT? >> YES.

THAT'S ONLY A RECOMMENDATION MUCH LIKE THE STAFF.

>> AS WE LOOK AT THE ACCESS FOR BOATERS, MANY TIMES ABOUT THE FACT THAT WE DON'T HAVE THAT KIND OF ACCESS.

AS I SEE THIS PARTICULAR ZONING AND CHANGE WOULD ALLOW US TO HELP THOSE FOLKS THAT ARE TRAILERING BOATS AND I DON'T AGREE WITH IT THAT THE MARINA OWNER HAS TO BE THE LAND OWNER NEXT DOOR BECAUSE THAT WOULD MEAN THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO INCREASE THE SIZE OF THEIR FACILITY AND THEN MAYBE THEY'RE NOT IN THAT POSITION. MAYBE IT'S FOR EXAMPLE IT'S NIGHTS OWNED BY THE COUNTY. WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE BUYING THE -- WE'RE HOPING THE PRIVAT SECTOR WILL SOLVE A SITUATION IN WHICH WE CREATE MORE ACCESS FOR PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO STORE THEIR BOATS. MOST OF OUR MARINA AREAS ARE AT MAXIMUM CAPACITY AS IT IS SO WE'RE TRYING TO EXPAND THE ABILITY TO STORE BOATS AND WITH ABLE TO MAKE IT A QUICK TRANSITION FROM STORAGE TO WATER AND THEN BACK TO STORAGE AGAIN.

SO I'M IN FAVOR OF THIS. I DON'T THINK THAT THE ONE ELEMENT THAT THEY HAD A RECOMMENDATION THAT THE MARINA SHOULD ALSO OWN THE OTHER LAND. CERTAINLY WE WOULD NOT DISCOURAGE THAT IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR IF SOMEBODY WANTED TO BUY THAT BUT AT THE SAME TIME I THINK WE'RE TRYING TO EXPAND OUR ACCESS FOR BOAT RES AND I THINK THIS IS SORT OF A NEAT WAY TO TRY TO DO THAT. AND SEE IF HAD -- BOATERS.

>> OKAY. GREAT. OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MIKE? IF NOT I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK WOULD YOU SAY ON THIS ITEM? AGAIN, WE WILL HAVE A SECOND READING OF THIS AT OUR JULY 25TH MEETING AND TAKE ACTION AT THAT TIME.

SEEING NONE, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

ANY FINAL QUESTIONS FOR MIKE ON THAT?

COMMISSIONER BURKE. >> SO THE -- IT HAS TO BE NEXT

TO THE MARINA THOUGH >> YES.

>> CONNECTED TO IT OR NEXT TO EXISTING MARINA WITH ACCESS TO

THAT. >> TO WAIVE THE THREE ACRE

REQUIREMENT. >> TO WAIVE THE REQUIREMENT.

IF SOMEBODY WANTED TO DO AN RV AND BOAT STORAGE ADJACENT TO THE MARINA THEY WOULD FALL UNDER THE EXISTING CONDITIONAL USE.

IT WAS JUST A BOAT STORAGE TO SUPPLEMENT THE MARINA USE THEN

IT WOULD WAIVE THE THREE ACRES. >> DOES THE SIZE MATTER ON HERE?

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WHATEVER SIZE IS OKAY? >> YEAH.

I MEAN, YEAH. I MEAN, YOU POTENTIALLY COULD HAVE -- WE DIDN'T -- WE DON'T BELIEVE THAT THE SIZE IS IN THIS CASE IS REAL PERTINENT BECAUSE ONE THING YOU CAN'T GET TOO SMALL BECAUSE YOU STILL HAVE TO MEET ALL THE BUFFERING REQUIREMENTS FROM -- THAT ARE IN THE CODE FOR BOAT STORAGE RV.

AND THOSE ARE SOMEWHAT EXTENSIVE SO IT LIMITS TOO SMALL OF A PARCEL BECAUSE IT JUST WON'T BE PRACTICAL.

>> AND THEY HAVE TO DO LIGHTING? >> PARDON?

>> JUST LIKE AN RV STORAGE, LIGHTING?

>> YEAH. THEY COULD NOT DO RV WITHOUT TH

>> NO, LIGHTING. >> YEAH.

NO. THE LIGHTING REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE IN THE CODE FOR THE RV AND BOAT STORAGE WHICH STILL APPLY

TO THE BOAT STORAGE. >> OKAY. THEY WOULD STILL HAVE

A GOOD EXPENSE. >> YEAH.

ALL THE OTHER CONDITIONS WOULD APPLY JUST NOT THREE ACRE

REQUIREMENT. >> OKAY. I LIKE THE TRAILERED BOAT.

SO DO WE HAVE THE TRAILERED BOAT REQUIREMENT THOUGH IN OTHER RV AND BOAT STORAGE. I UNDERSTAND THEIR INTENTION IS NOT TO HAVE THIS BECOME A BOAT JUNK YARD BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S RIGHT TO PUT A REQUIREMENT THAT A REGULAR RV AND BOAT STORAGE HAS. DO THEY REQUIRE TRAILERED BOATS?

>> IT DOESN'T LIMIT IT TO TRAILERED BOATS.

>> RIGHT. >> BUT THEY'RE TALKINGS ABOUT

HAVING A THREE STORY BUILDING. >> DRY STORAGE.

>> YEAH. BUT YOU CANNOT DO THAT -- I GUESS I JUST HESITATE TO PUT A REQUIREMENT IN THIS THAT WE DO NOT HAVE IN REGULAR RV AND BOAT STORAGE.

THIS THE IS SUPPOSED TO BE JUST -- ALL THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE MY UNDERSTANDING OF STAFF'S INTENTION WAS THAT THIS WAS JUST TO DECREASE THE ACREAGE REQUIREMENT NEXT TO MARINAS BUT IF WE'RE PUTTING AN ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENT THAT ONLY DREARILYED BOATS CAN BE THERE BUT IN A REGULAR STORAGE YOU CAN PUT A BOAT THAT'S NOT ON A TRAILER THAT'S NOT FAIR TO THAT PROPERTY OWNER. TO HOLD THEM TO A DIFFERENT

STANDARD. >> I DISAGREE BECAUSE I'M THINKING ABOUT WHERE THERE COULD BE RIGHT NEXT TO -- ON A THREE ACRE -- I WOULD THINK IT HAD TO BE TRAILERED BUT AS FAR AS THAT LET'S SAY AN ACRE AND THEY PUT A DRY BOAT STORAGE THAT WOULD BE NEXT TO RESIDENTIAL AND I DON'T KNOW.

I'M THINKING OF AREAS IN MY MIND OF WHERE THIS MAY BE THE CASE.

>> I'M JUST SAYING I DON'T THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE THAT WE HAVE AN ODD UNDERSTANDS THAT LIMITS MAYBE WE NEED TO CHANGE THE OTHER ODD UNDERSTANDS TO NOT HAVE DRY BOAT STORAGE IN OUR

COUNTY. >> I COULD SEE IT ON LARGER ACREAGE BUT SMALLER IT WOULD SEEM LIKE NOT SUCH A GOOD IDEA

FOR A SMALL AREA. >> IF I MAY, ON THE DRY BOAT STORAGE TOO IT USUALLY HAS IMMEDIATE OR DIRECT ACCESS TO THE WATER. RIGHT.

SO PUT THE BOAT INTO THE WATER BECAUSE THEN IT BECOMES EXTREMELY DIFFICULT TO TAKE THE FORKLIFT ONTO A TRAILER AND FOR THE TRAIL TORE BE PULLED OUT. I THINK THOSE ARE OTHER FACTOR THAT HE HAS STAFF CAN LOOK AT AND OTHER EXAMPLES THAT ARE OUT

THERE HOW THAT OPERATES TOO. >> AND I THINK THAT SOMETHING ELSE TO COME BACK TO US WITH IS THIS ALREADY -- ARE WE ALREADY GOING TO LIMIT SOMEONE WHO ALREADY HAS -- ARE WE EXEMPTING ANYONE WHO HAS THIS ALREADY IN THIS COUNTY.

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>> IN A MARINA WHERE THEY CAN ACTUALLY PICK IT UP AND LAUNCH IT WHETHER IT'S WITH A FORKLIFT OR CRANE THAT LIFTS IT.

>> BECAUSE YOU COULD HAVE AN RV STORAGE WHERE THEY DROP A FIFTH WHEEL THAT CANNOT BE MOVED WITHOUT A TRUCK ATTACHED AND THAT COULD BE A JUNK YARD. WE HAVE CODE ENFORCEMENT FOR

SOME OF THAT BUT -- >> YOU ALSO HOPE THAT THE BUSINESS OWNER WOULD WANT TO MAKE THAT AN ACTIVE PART OF HIS

BUSINESS. >> I'M SURE WE'LL HAVE MORE CONVERSATION AT THE NEXT MEETING.

>>> ITEM 15. FIST PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER

[15.  First Public Hearing to consider ZON-0623-00016 (M. Brown)]

>> I'M SORRY. THIS IS ANOTHER LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE CHANGE PROPOSED BY STAFF. AND THIS IS A PROPOSAL TO AMEND OUR EXISTING PS 3 ZONING DISTRICT TO SEPARATE SOME OF THE USES OUT. WHAT WE HAVE FOUND IS THAT THE MIX OF USES PRESENTLY ALLOWED IN PS 3 INCLUDES -- I'LL GO OVER WHAT THEY INCLUDE. THEY INCLUDE THE HOSPITALS AND RELATED MEDICAL OFFICES AND FACILITIES BUT IT ALSO HAS GROUP HOMES INCLUDING DETENTION CENTERS.

INTERMEDIATE CARE FACILITIES AND INSTITUTIONS FOR THE INSANE.

RECOGNIZE THAT THAT IS NOT POLITICALLY CORRECT BUT THAT'S WHAT OUR CODE SAYS TODAY. AND WHEN APPLICANTS WHO HAVE COME IN FOR CHANGES HAVE CONCERN -- NEIGHBORS AND COMMUNITY ADVISORY COMMITTEES HAVE RAISED CONCERNS WITH THAT MIX OF USES, THEY ARE MORE COMFORTABLE WITH THE HOSPITAL RELATED MEDICAL FACILITIES, THEY HAVE RAISED SOME CONCERN WITH SOME OF THE OTHER USES THAT ARE ALLOWED UNDER THE PS 3.

STAFF HAS PROPOSED SPLATING OUT THE GROUP HOMES, DETENTION CENTERS, DRUG ABUSE AND ALCOHOL TREATMENT FACILITIES AND THE LIKE AND THE REST OF THOSE FROM THE HOSPITAL MEDICAL OFFICE FACILITIES. CREATING A NEW PS 6 ZONING DISTRICT WHICH WOULD TAKE WHERE THE NEW -- WHERE ALL THOSE FACILITIES WOULD GO UNDER. AND UNDER THE PS 3, HAVING THE MEDICAL OFFICE AND HOSPITAL FACILITIES.

THE WAY STAFF HAS DRAFTED IT, WE HAVE PROPOSED THAT ANY PROPERTY THAT IS ZONED PS 3 TODAY WHEN THIS IS ADOPTED PRIOR TO THE ADOPTION WOULD HAVE THE EXISTING USES THAT IT HAS TODAY.

HOPING TO PREVENT ANY LOSS OF USES AND HOPEFULLY PREVENTING ANY BURT HARRIS ACT CASES SO THEY WOULD HAVE THEIR --

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ANYBODY THAT CAME TO ANY PROPERTY OWNER THAT CAME AND REQUESTED A REZONING AFTER THE ADOPTION DATE IF THEY WENT -- IF THEY WANTED A HOSPITAL OR MEDICAL FACILITY, THEY WOULD HAVE TO ZONE TO PS 3. IF THEY WANTED ONE OF THOSE OTHER USES THEY WOULD HAVE THE REZONE TO PS 6.

SO THAT IS THE WAY STAFF HAD APPROACHED THE PROPOSED CHANGE.

STAFF RECOMMENDS THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL.

PLANNING COMMISSION AT THEIR HEARING VOTED 7-0 TO RECOMMEND PS 6 AS PROPOSED BUT THEN TO HAVE A PS 7.

THEN KEEP THE EXISTING PS 3 WITH THE PRESENT USES FOR THOSE PARCELS PRESENTLY ZONED PS 3.

THEIR DESIRE, THEY BELIEVED IT WAS LESS CONFUSING AND IT WAS IN THAT -- THAT IS HOW THE COUNTY IN THE PAST DEALT WITH OUR ZONING WHERE YOU COULD NOT GO TO PB ANYMORE.

BUT WE HAVE FIVE OR SIX DIFFERENT ZONING DISTRICTS.

ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF? >> QUESTIONS FOR MIKE? ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, MIKE.

SEEING NO QUESTIONS, I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

IF YOU'RE HERE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM, PLEASE COME FORWARD.

SEEING NONE, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

AGAIN, THAT IS OUR FIRST READING.

WE WILL NOT TAKE ACTION TODAY. WE WILL LEAD THIS AGAIN AT -- READ THIS ON JULY 25TH AND TAKE ACTION.

[16.  Final Public Hearing to consider adoption of ZON-0623-00014 (District 5, Comm. Burke) (S.Olsen)]

>> ALL RIGHT. ITEM 16.

OUR FINAL PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER ADOPTION OF ZONING 0623-00014, THIS IS IN COMMISSIONER BURKE'S DISTRICT.

THIS IS AN APPLICATION FOR REZONING OF ONE PARCEL FROM PRIVATE SERVICES DISTRICT TO PUBLIC OWNERSHIP DISTRICT.

>> THIS IS A REZONING APPLICATION ON BEHALF OF STAFF.

THIS IS HOPEFULLY THE NEW SITE OF OUR FIRE STATION.

PRESENTLY THE PARCEL IS ZONED PS 1 FOR PRIVATE SERVICES.

WE'RE HOPING TO REZONE IT TO PO 1 FOR PUBLIC OWNERSHIP.

THE LOT IS CURRENTLY VACANT. ALL THE STRUCTURES ARE STILL ON THE ADJACENT PARCEL. THIS THE LAND WE BOUGHT FROM THE

CHURCH. >> YES, MA'AM.

>> SO THAT WE WOULD HAVE ENOUGH LAND TO BUILD OUR FIRE STATION

AT STATION 24. >> YES, MA'AM.

>> THANK YOU. >> SO THESE ARE JUST TWO MAPS TO SHOW THE AREA AND HATCH IS THE SUBJECT PARCEL.

IT'S CURRENTLY ZONED PS 1 BUT THEY ARE APPLYING TO HAVE IT MATCH THE ADJACENT ZONING TO PO 1.

>> OKAY. DOES ANYONE HAVE QUESTIONS?

>> ALL RIGHT. I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

ANYONE WHO IS WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS, WILL HAVE YOU COME UP, SIR. YOU CAN COME ON UP AND THEN THE CHIEF WILL FOLLOW.

>> GOOD EVENING, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.

I HAVE SHARED THE PROPERTY LINE WITH SHAY LOW BAPTIST CHURCH FOR THE PAST 20 YEARS. IT'S BEEN MAY KNOWLEDGE THAT THE COUNTY HAS PURCHASED THAT PROPERTY.

THE SOUTHERN CORNER THERE THE FIRST TRIANGLE IS MY ENTRY TO MY PROPERTY WHICH IS MY FIRST CONCERN.

THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION WANTS TO USE PART OF THAT AREA THERE FOR STORAGE. SO I JUST WOULD LIKE TO KNOW

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ALSO, THE HOW FAR ARE THEY GOING TO PUT FENCING UP.

HOW IS THAT GOING TO GO AROUND? WHAT TIME IS THIS GOING TO HAPPEN? IS THERE A DATE THAT THIS IS GOING TO BEGIN? IS THERE A TIMEFRAME? WHAT IS THIS GOING TO DO TO MY PROPERTY TAXES? LAND THE RECALL SALVE MY LAND AND HOME OR DECREASE IT? AND SECONDLY, DO WE NEED A FIRE HOUSE THAT BIG IN THIS AREA WITH 10,000 ACRES OF STATE CONSERVATION LAND IN THIS AREA? WHEN WE HAVE A FIRE HOUSE AT HILLTOP? THIS FIRE HOUSE DOES NOT DO THAT MUCH WORK.

I CAN HEAR THEM. IS IT NECESSARY?

>> THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.

>> THANK YOU. >> CHIEF.

>> I'M SURE THE CHIEF CAN ANSWER SOME OF YOUR QUESTIONS THAT YOU

ASKED. >> I THINK THE EASIEST THING TO DO IS IF YOU GO TO THE LAST PAGE OF THE MATERIAL THAT WAS PROVIDED WHICH WAS THE SUPPLEMENTAL SHEET, THAT SITE SHOWS YOU THE DESIGN OF THE PROPOSED STATION AND WHAT THE COUNTY INTENDS TO DO WITH THE LOCATION.

I DON'T KNOW IF HAVE YOU THAT UP IN THE LAST PIECE.

IT WOULD BE THE EASIEST WAY. THERE YOU GO.

IT SHOWS THE SIDING OF THE STATION AND ACTUALLY IF YOU EXPAND IT OUT IT SHOWS THE REAR AREA THAT I THINK THE GENTLEMAN WAS CONCERNED ABOUT. THE PURPOSE THAT WE HAD TO PURCHASE THE ADDITIONAL LAND FROM SHILOH IS THAT THE TOOLOGY OF THE EXISTING LOCATION WAS NOT SUFFICIENT TO SITE A STATION AT THAT LOCATION. IT UTILIZES ALL OF THE ENTRY OFF OF COUNTY ROAD 226. DES NOT IMPACT SWEAT ROAD BUT DOES HAVE DESIGN FEATURES THAT ALLOW IF THE COUNTY CHOOSES TO IN THE FUTURE TO UTILIZE THE REAR AREAS OF THE DEVELOPMENT ACREAGE THAT'S IN THERE FOR ADDITIONAL STORAGE SPACE FROM THE LOCATIONS AND I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT IT IN THE WORKSHOP THIS MORNING. ONE OF THE CONCERNS THAT COMMISSIONER RENNEKER ASKED ABOUT WAS THE STORAGE LOCATIONS ON THE PROPERTY AND IT DOES PROVIDE ACREAGE IN THERE THAT IF IN THE FUTURE THE COUNTY DECIDES TO DO THAT IT HAS THAT AVAILABILITY AND AS I UNDERSTAND IT WOULD FIT INTO THE EXISTING ZONING. THE DEMAND LOCATION IF WE LOOK AT WHAT IS TRANSPIRING IN THE BRANDONFIELD BLANDING AREA WE JUST TALKED ABOUT, IN THE LAKE ABURY AREA AS IT COMES IN WITH THE COMPLETION OF THAT EXPRESSWAY INTO THAT AREA TO OPEN UP THAT STATION 7 U.S. 17 CORRIDOR AND THE DEMAND WILL INCREASE. WE CERTAINLY KNOW THAT BOTH THE AGRICULTURAL DEVELOPMENT AND OTHERS PLAN TO INCLUDE AND DUMP INTO THAT AND THE LOCATION IS NOW BUILT TO HAVE THIS ABILITY TO EXPAND IF WE HAD TO HOUSE BOTH THE ADDITIONAL PERSONNEL AND EQUIPMENT NECESSARY TO SERVE THAT EXPANDING AREA FROM THE COUNTY BORDER ALL THE WAY UP TO THE EXPRESSWAY DEVELOPMENT.

AND THEN BEYOND TO TIE INTO THAT.

ANYBODY WHO HAS BEEN TO THE EXISTING STATION THERE WHICH IS THE DOUBLE WIDE TRAILER BUILT ON STILTS WHICH WAS TEMPORARY HOUSING FOR THE MODIFICATION TO THE VOLUNTEER STATION KNOW THAT THIS IS NEEDED DESPERATELY AND THE SOONER WE CAN GET IT IN THE BETTER OFF WE'RE GOING TO BE. I THINK THAT ADDRESSED MOST OF

THE QUESTIONS. >> OKAY. DOES ANYONE HAVE OTHER QUESTIONS FOR CHIEF? I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE THE LAST -- DO YOU HAVE ONE THAT LOOKS LIKE THIS?

>> I JUST SENT IT TO HER. SO IF YOU COULD BRING UP YOUR

EMAIL THERESA. >> SORRY.

IT GIVES A BETTER PICTURE.

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>> WILL THIS ALSO SERVE THE GOVERNOR'S PARK?

>> ABSOLUTELY. YEAH.

>> NEIGHBORHOOD? >> YEAH.

THE GOAL WOULD BE THE GOVERNOR APARK BOTH HAS PROPERTY THAT IS IN THEORY GOING TO BE DONATED AS PART OF THAT BUT THE REAL ISSUE IS THAT WE HAVE STATIONS THAT ARE ON THE PERIPHERY OF GOVERNORS AND SERVICE WILL COME IN FROM THE OUTSIDE.

THIS IS A KEY ELEMENT OF GOVERNORS.

>> OKAY.

THERE WE DEB.

>> THIS GIVES A BETTER PICTURE SO THAT THE HATCHED AREA IN GRAY THE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT IS IN PARENTHESES SAYS 3.06 ACRES.

SO YOU'RE DOWN AT THIS POINT AT THE FAR EAST SIDE? SO MAYBE THERE'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO DO AS A COUNTY TO CARVE OUT THAT LITTLE CORNER WHERE THAT OAK TREE IS OR SOMETHING I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT COULD BE ARRANGED SO THAT THIS GENTLEMAN DOESN'T LOSE HIS DRIVEWAY.

SO IT WAS CHURCH PROPERTY THAT THEY ALLOWED YOU TO MAINTAIN SO YOU COULD ACCESS YOUR PROPERTY.

. >> OKAY. THEN IT SHOULDN'T BE AFFECTED.

>> CAN YOU COME UP AND TALK INTO THE MICROPHONE JUST SO PEOPLE ON THE RECORD CAN HEAR YOU.

>> MY APOLOGIES. >> NO WORRIES.

>> THIS IS ONLY MY SECOND TIME EVER ADDRESSING A BOARD.

>> THAT'S OKAY. WE APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENT.

AND WE WANT TO GET IT RIGHT AND MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ON OUR

PROPERTY AND NOT YOURS. >> THAT BOTTOM TRIANGLE THERE THERE'S NOTHING THAT CAN BE DONE WITH IT.

BASICALLY IT'S A TRIANGLE. APPROXIMATELY 75 FEET UP THAT LINE IS THE ACTUAL START OF MY PARCEL.

>> OKAY. SO WHERE THE OAK TREE IS IN YOUR DRIVEWAY IS NOT --

>> THAT IS IT. IF WE HAVE AN AREA VIEW WE CAN PULL UP IT'S GOOGLE MAPS WOULD SHOW IT TO YOU ON STREET VIEW.

IT'S THAT EXACT POINT. >> OKAY.

>> INTO THAT PARCEL. >> OKAY.

>> SO I JUST WANT CLARIFICATION THAT I WON'T LOSE MY RIGHT OF

WAY TO MY LAND. >> OKAY. WENTED.

WEDNESDAY YOUR QUESTION. -- WE UNDERSTAND YOUR QUESTION.

>> IF THERE'S ANY WAY THAT WE COULD TO MY PERSONAL DIRECT PARCEL STARTING POINT OUT TO SWEAT ROAD IF WE COULD DEED

THAT -- >> DO YOU NOT ACTUALLY HAVE

DEEDED ACCESS TO SWEAT ROAD? >> I DO HAVE DEEDED ACCESS.

>> I DO. BUT I WOULD WANT TO MAKE SURE

THAT DOES NOT CHANGE. >> OH.

>> IT WAS DEEDED. >> THAT'S MY CONCERN.

>> OKAY. WE'LL PULL IT UP RIGHT NOW AND TAKE A LOOK.

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>> I RECORDED THIS AND I -- I HAVE ANY PIECE.

I DON'T HAVE IT WITH ME. I'M SURE Y'ALL HAVE BETTER CHANCES OF LOCATING IT THAN ME.

>> THAT'S YOUR HOME WITH THE GREEN ROOF.

>> YES, MA'AM. >> OKAY.

SO DO YOU ACTUALLY HAVE A DRIVEWAY OR IS IT A DIRT

DRIVEWAY OR -- >> SWEAT ROAD IS A DIRT ROAD AND

I HAVE A DIRT DRIVEWAY. >> YOU HAVE A DIRT DRIVEWAY THROUGH THOSE TREES TO YOUR PROPERTY.

>> THAT'S CORRECT. >> AND YOU BELIEVE YOU HAVE A DEEDED EASEMENT TO GO THROUGH THAT PROPERTY.

SO I GUESS WE COULD MAYBE FIGURE OUT A WAY TO KEEP THAT DEEDED EASEMENT IN OR PUT IT INTO LANGUAGE IF WE NEED TO.

>> CAN WE GET HIS NAME? >> ZEKE DURKOWITZ, 5139 SWEAT

ROAD. >> YOU WANTED TO KNOW ABOUT A

FENCE. >> BECAUSE IF WE PUT UP A FENCE WE COULD NOT ALLOW HIM TO HAVE ACCESS INADVERTENTLY.

>> CORRECT.

CAN WE TAKE ACTION ON THE ZONING OF PROPERTY.

IT DOESN'T AFFECT THIS GENTLEMAN.

WHETHER IT'S ZONED FOR THE CHURCH OR WHETHER IT'S ZONED PS 1 TO PO 1 DOESN'T REALLY AFFECT HIS EASEMENT SO DO YOU WANT TO TAKE THAT OFF LINE AND JUST MAKE A COMMITMENT THAT WE WILL ADDRESS IT WITH YOU AND THEN BECAUSE AGAIN WHAT THE ACTION WE'RE TAKING TODAY WON'T AFFECT YOU EITHER WAY.

IF WE LEAVE IT AS PS 1 FOR THE CHURCH IT DOESN'T AFFECT YOU BECAUSE IT'S WHAT THE PROPERTY IS ZONED FOR.

AND THEN COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE WILL GET WITH YOU TO FIGURE OUT THE LEGALITIES OF WHEN WE NEED TO -- WHAT WE NEED TO DO WITH YOUR ACCESS AND THE AGREEMENT THAT YOU HAD WITH THE CHURCH BECAUSE THEY'LL WANT TO SEE WHAT YOU HAVE DOCUMENTS THAT HAVE YOU. SO IS THAT -- WOULD THAT BE

ACCEPTABLE TO YOU? >> YES, MA'AM.

I HAVE RECORDED THAT. THAT IS A RECORDED DOCUMENT.

>> OKAY. >> YEAH.

NO. WE BELIEVE YOU.

IT'S NOT EASY FOR US TO SOLVE TODAY.

THE COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE WILL NEED TO GET WITH YOU AND LOOK AT YOUR DOCUMENTS AND MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE IN LINE WITH WHAT OURS SAY AND IF NOT WE NEED TO CLEAN UP SOME LANGUAGE

>> OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> YEAH.

THANK YOU TEA THE -- THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM?

>> SEEING NONE, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND BRING IT BACK FOR A MOTION.

>> DO WE NEED A MOTION TODAY? >> YEAH.

THIS IS THE FINAL PUBLIC HEARING.

>> I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO CHANGE THE ZONING FROM P 01 TO -- PS 1

TO PO 1. >> MOTION' SECOND.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION. >> ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

>> AYE. >> THOSE OPPOSED.

MOTION CARRIES 5-1.

-- 5-0. >>> WE ARE GOING TO HAVE OUR

[PUBLIC COMMENTS]

I HAVE ONE PUBLIC COMMENT CARD FROM SHAWN -- DID I PRONOUNCE THAT CORRECTLY? YOU CAN JUST SPEAK INTO THE

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WE HAVE A DRAINAGE EASEMENTS BEHIND OUR PROPERTY.

IN FACT, THE PROPERTY ON EITHER SIDE OF US HAS A DRAINAGE EASEMENT. AND A COUPLE OF YEARS BEFORE WE MOVEDED IN, I HEARD THIS FROM MY NEIGHBORS THAT THE COUNTY COME IN AND DUG THE EASEMENT OUT TO WHERE NOW IT'S OVER MORE THAN HALF OF WHAT IT WAS BEFORE. SO WHERE IT WAS -- I WOULD GUESS BETWEEN TWO OR THREE FEET DOWN IT'S NOW SIX FOOT DOWN.

I STAND IN IT AND IT'S ABOVE MY HEAD.

THE COUNT AN AND I OWN IT ENTIRELY BECAUSE IT'S A 16 FOOT WIDE AND I'M TASKED WITH MAINTAINING THIS.

I PAY TAXES ON THIS LAND AS WELL.

THE BIGGEST PROBLEM WE ARE HAVING I'VE BEEN THERE EIGHT YEARS NOW AND I HAVE A FENCE THAT I'VE INSTALLED A FEW YEARS BACK AND A POOL DECK THAT WAS A GOOD ALMOST FOUR FOOT FROM THIS FENCE. MY -- THE LAND IS GETTING SHORTER AND SHORTER BETWEEN THAT FENCE AND MY POOL DECK SO THE LAND IS GOING DOWN -- MY PROPERTY IS MOVING DOWN.

>> ERODE SGLG JUST -- ERODING. JUST FROM THAT.

AND THEN THE OTHER ISSUE IS MAINTAINING THAT WITH MY NEIGHBORS ARE TASKED WITH MAINTAINING THEIRS.

WE CAN'T KEEP WAIVE AND GIVE UP THE WEEDS AND EVERYTHING THAT GET IN THERE AND WE GET MOSQUITOS AND THEY HAVE THIS MALARIA SCARE NOW IN FLORIDA. SO WE WORRY ABOUT THAT EVERYBODY. ARE WE HELD RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT BECAUSE WE DON'T KEEP UP THE EASEMENT AS WE'RE TOLD.

SO WHAT WE WOULD LIKE IS TO HAVE THAT EASEMENT FILLED IN BECAUSE ON THE OUTSIDE OF BOTH OF THEM -- WE HAVE OUR THREE PROPERTIES AND IF YOU GO ANOTHER PROPERTY ORE THIS WAY AND THAT WAY ON EITHER SIDE. THEY ARE FILLEDED IN SO WHERE THIS DRAINAGE COMES FROM THE STREET -- IT'S UNDERGROUND PIPE.

>> IT JUST SLOWLY GARAGEALLY INCEASES BACK TO A NORMAL FLAT GROUND. AND SO WHEN WATER COMES THROUGH THERE ALSO PEOPLE COMPLAIN THAT THE WATER IS STANDING ANYWAY SO IT DOESN'T EVEN DO ITS PROPER WHAT IT WOULD BE DESIGNED TO DO TO DISBURSE THE WATER OUT. SO WE WOULD PROPOSE TO PUT A PIPE UNDERNEATH THE GROUND AND HAVE WATER RUN COMPLETELY AWAY OUT TO WHEREVER IT NEEDS TO GO TO.

>> OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR COMING TO SPEAK TO

US. >> I JUST DIDN'T KNOW WHERE I NEEDED TO GO TO -- IS THIS THE PROPER PLACE?

>> SO THIS IS YOUR COMMISSIONER. COMMISSIONER COMPERE, YOU MAY WANT TO HANG AROUND AFTER IF MEETING.

>> THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. >> YEAH.

THANK YOU.

>> ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK FOR PUBLIC HEAR SNOWING I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER CARDS.

ALL RIGHT. SEEING NONE, I WILL MOVE TO

[COMMISSIONERS' COMMENTS]

>> COMMISSIONER BURKE. >> COMMISSIONER --

>> DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING? >> I JUST HAVE ONE AND IT'S SORT OF A SAD NOTE. FORMER PROPERTY APPRAISER FOR CLAY COUNTY PASSED AWAY THE LAST COUPLE OF DAYS.

A GENTLEMAN THAT IS A SERVANT OF THE COUNTY FOR MANY YEARS.

CLASSY GUY. VERY NICE MAN.

AND THE AGE OF 62 GONE WAY TOO YOUNG.

I REMEMBER WHEN RETIRED AND WE HAD A LITTLE THING FOR HIM IN THE BUILDING AND I SAID YOU'RE SO YOUNG.

KEEP HIS FAMILY AND FRIENDS IN YOUR THOUGHTS AND PRAYERS.

>> THANK YOU. >> COMMISSIONER COMPERE.

>> SURE. SO AT THE OUTSET OF OUR MEETING WE RECOGNIZED OUR PARKS AND REC DEPARTMENT AND I KNOW THAT JUSTIN IS NOT IN HERE BUT I WANTED TO GIVE THEM A HOT TIP THEY RECEIVED A GLOWING REVIEW FOR A QUICK RESPONSE OUT IN MY

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IT WAS COMPREHENSIVE EVEN THOUGH IT WAS HIGH LEVEL BUT IT WAS VERY IMPORTANT FOR ME COMING IN AS MY FIRST TIME GETTING A GOOD VIEW AND I THOUGHT THAT WAS MANAGEABLE.

RIGHT. VERY INFORMATIVE MEETING.

I ENJOYED THAT. ON A LIGHTER NOTE, I WANTED TO JUST DRAW THE COUNTY'S ATTENTION TO THE FAMILY AND FRIENDS THAT CLIFF AVRIL IS DOING HIS 11TH ANNUAL FOOTBALL CAMP AT CLAY HIGH SCHOOL THIS SATURDAY. IT'S A FREE EVENT.

I THINK THAT REGISTRATION SAID 8:30 THEY'LL GET OUT THERE.

FUN TIME FOR THE GUYS AND GIRLS I'VE SEEN A COUPLE OF GIRLS OUT THERE OVER THE YEARS. AND THEN ON SUNDAY, HE ALWAYS HOSTS I THINK THIS WILL BE HIS TENTH ANNUAL FAMILY FUN DAY AT ARMSTRONG PARK. EVERY YEAR THEY DO BOUNCE HOUSES. THEY HAVE PARTNERSHIPS WITH THEIR VENDORS IN THE COUNTY. ROCK CLIMBING.

FOOD. FACE PAINTING.

TATTOOS. ALL THE THINGS THAT REALLY GREAT TIME. I CAN'T STRESS ENOUGH THIS IS A FREE EVENT. SOT BRING OUT YOUR FAMILY.

HAVE A GOOD TIME. I BELIEVE ADVERTISING FOR THAT IS ON SOCIAL MEDIA. YOU TO COUNTY STAFF.

YOU'RE DOING AMAZING. THANK YOU FOR HELPING ME ALONG THE PROCESS. I APPRECIATE YOUR HELP.

OTHER THAN THAT, I LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING EVERYBODY AGAIN REALLY

SOON. >> OKAY.

>> COMMISSIONER RENNEKER. >> YES.

THANK YOU. THE ONLY THING I WANT TO ANNOUNCE IS I'M GOING TO HOLD A WORKSHOP FOR BUSINESSES ON THE WEST SIDE OF WELLS ROAD. THERE WILL BE A HUGE CHANGE IN THE INTERSECTION AT WELLS AND BLANDING.

AND IT'S WAY DOWN THE PIKE. IT'S NOT EVEN PLANNED TO BEGIN UNTIL 25 BUT NONETHELESS IT'S GOING TO CHANGE THE TRAFFIC PATTERN SIGNIFICANTLY. SO IF YOU'RE LISTENING AND HAVE BUSINESS AROUND BLANDING NEAR THE MALL AREA, STAND BY.

YOU'RE GOING TO BE GETTING A NOTE FROM ME TO ASK YOU TO AT FEND IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO HEAR IT'S AN FDOT STATE PROJECT AND JIM KNIGHT WILL BE HERE TO EXPLAIN THE WHOLE CHANGE THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN. THEISTS ALL I HAVE.

THANK YOU. -- THAT'S ALL I HAVE.

THANK YOU. >>.

>> I HAVE A FEW THINGS. ON A FUN NOTE I HAVE THIS THURSDAY AT AUGUSTA FRIENDSHIP PARK FROM 10:00 TO 12:00 THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE FROZEN TREATS, GAMES AND SUMMERTIME MUSIC AS WELL AS MAYBE A BIG TRUCK GOING TO SHOW UP THAT SPRAYS WATER.

I WANT TO BE THERE FOR THAT. 10:00 TO 12:00 THURSDAY, ON A MORE SERIOUS NOTE, MY DISTRICT OF COURSE HAS BEEN UNDERGOING A LOT OF CONSTRUCTION. IF NOBODY HAS HEARD ABOUT IT, I WANTED TO THANK STAFF, EVERYONE FOR HELPING WITH THAT.

I MEAN, IT'S DEFINITELY BEEN HARD ON THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE OUT THERE. AND OF COURSE I FEEL VERY HORRIBLE FOR WHAT THEY'RE HAVING TO GO THROUGH.

AS WELL AS THE BUSINESSES I'VE BEEN IN SOME OF THE BUSINESSES THAT HAVE REACHED OUT TO ME AND THEY WANT TO KNOW IF WE CAN DO ANYTHING FOR THEM. I DON'T THINK THERE IS BUT I FIGURED I WOULD BRING IT UP TO Y'ALL AND SEE IF THERE'S ANYTHING YOU CAN THINK OF. BECAUSE OF COURSE THEY'RE VERY MUCH SUFFERING WITH PEOPLE NOT BEING ABLE TO GET THROUGH THESE AREAS. SO THEY DEFINITELY ARE SUFFERING. ON A HAPPIER NOTE, IT DOES SOUND LIKE IT WILL BE DONE VERY SOON AND OF COURSE WILL BE GREAT WHEN IT'S DONE. SO I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S -- IF Y'ALL HAD ANY RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THESE BUSINESSES, MAYBE WE CAN THINK OF SOME IDEAS OR SOMETHING.

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SOCIAL MEDIA MAYBE OFFERING SOME SALES OF SOME KIND.

I'M NOT SURE. YOU KNOW.

IT'S A TOUGH SITUATION THAT THEY'RE IN.

SO BACK IN MARCH OF 2023, I ASKED THE COURT TO HELP ME ADDRESSING DEP REGARDING -- LIGHT.

YOU AGREED WONDERFULLY AND I AM VERY MUCH APPRECIATIVE.

UNFORTUNATELY WE NEVER RECEIVED A RESPONSE BACK FROM DEP ON THE LETTER AND IT WAS A GREAT LETTER.

IT WAS ASKING FOR THE 600 ACRES THAT SO LIGHT THAT HAS NO CONTAMINATION TO CONTINUE TO BE ON THE CONSENT ORDER.

AND THAT PART OF THAT IS THE 80 ACRES THAT JUST SOLD THAT I HAVE NOT HEARD OFFICIAL WORD BUT I HAVE HEARD FROM SOME CREDIBLE SOURCES THAT THEY'RE WANTING TO PUT A NURSING HOME THERE.

I VERY MUCH HAVE AN WITH THAT. IN THE MOON TIME, WE HAD FOUR EMPLOYEES THAT CAME FORWARD I THINK IT HAPPENED BEFORE THE LETTER APPROXIMATE FOUR EMPLOYEES THAT CAME -- PRIOR EMPLOYEES THAT CAME FORWARD AND CRUELTY LINED SOME AREAS -- OUTLINED SOME AREAS THAT THEY KNEW FOR SURE DUMPING HAD OCCURRED. ON A ZOOM CALL WITH MYSELF, THE COUNTY MANAGER AND COUNTY ATTORNEY AND DEP, THESE EMPLOYEES OUTLINED THINGS THEY HAD SEEN AND LET US KNOW THAT THEY WERE TOLD NOT TO TELL ANYONE OF THINGS THAT HAD HAPPENED THERE. BUT OF COURSE THIS IS ONLY FOUR EMPLOYEES. THE DEVELOPER POTENTIAL DEVELOPER DECIDED TO DO HIS DUE DILIGENCE AND WALK THE PROPERTY WITH DEP DURING THAT TIME, DEP WHILE THEY WERE WALKING THROUGH THE PROPERTY LOW AND BEHOLD THEY CAME ACROSS SOME BARRELS EXPOSED OUTSIDE OF THE GROUND WHICH IS OF COURSE WET WHAT THE EMPLOYEES HAVE SAID THAT THERE'S DUMPING OF BARRELS THROUGHOUT THE PROPERTY. WE CAN SEE BARRELS IN THE BERM SURROUNDING THE PROPERTY SO BECAUSE OF THIS, DEP DECIDED TO DO -- A HUGE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE CAME AND OF COURSE ANY TIME ANYTHING HAPPENS IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, EVERYONE KNOWS IT.

AND SO WE SAW THE TRUCKS AND SAW THE TESTING MATERIALS.

WE SAW ALL THE THINGS THAT WERE USED FOR TESTING.

AND DEP DID A SPLIT SAMPLE. WE DID NOT EVER SEE THE RESULTS OF THE TESTING BUT WE HAVE THE RESULTS THAT DEP DID AND I BELIEVE THEY WERE SENT TO Y'ALL. AND LOW AND BEHOLD AGAIN ARREST NICK VERY HIGH LEVELS WAS FOUND IN TWO AREAS DESCRIBED BEFORE BY THE EMPLOYEES.

TODAY I RECEIVED A LETTER FROM DEP THAT SAID BASICALLY -- IT'S FROM ARSENIC LEVELS BUT OF COURSE DECIDED OR DID NOT SAY ANYTHING ABOUT THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM THAT HIS PRIOR EMPLOYEES HAD ACTUALLY TOLD THAT THAT'S WHAT THEY WOULD FIND THERE.

SO I -- WHAT I'M ASKING TODAY IS I FEEL LIKE WE NEED TO REITERATE THE POINTS IN THE LETTER TO FDEP.

WE NEED TO ASK FOR THEIR CONSIDERATION OF THE NEW SPLIT LEVEL SAMPLING RESULTS. WOULD YOU ASK FOR THE CONSIDERATION OF EMPLOYEE ACCOUNTS AND LOCATIONS PRESENTED THAT WERE NOT PREVIOUSLY DESIGNATED.

SO BASICALLY, THE OWNER WHOEVER HE IS DOESN'T EVEN WANT TO ENTERTAIN THE FACT THAT THESE SHOULD BE PART OF THE -- THAT WERE ALREAD -- THERE WAS ONLY -- IN THE AREA AROUND THE FACILITY WHERE WE ACTUALLY DEFERENTLY KNOW THERE'S

[02:16:21]

CONTAMINATION. >> AS WELL AS ROLLING HILLS THERE'S A ROAD THAT HAS SIX CASES OF CANCER, TWO ARE CHILDREN OF THE SAME TYPE OF CANCER.

I DON'T KNOW WHY. BUT, HOWEVER, I KNOW IN AREAS IN OTHER PLACES WHERE THERE'S BEEN LAWSUITS THEY LOOK 40 MILES OUT SO THIS IS ONLY A COUPLE MILES AWAY FROM SOLITE.

I DON'T KNOW IF IT HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH IT.

NO IDEA. BUT ANY BIGGEST CONCERN IS -- MY BIGGEST CONCERN IS THEY HAVE FOUND ARSENIC, HIGH LEVELS ON THE PROPERTY, AND, YET, THEY'RE NOT REALLY STEPPING UP AND SAYING, OKAY, WE SHOULD NOW BE TESTING FURTHER.

THANK GOODNESS THEY ACTUALLY DID TESTING.

THEY DID US A FAVOR BUT THAT'S ALL WE HAVE AND WHY DID THEY NOT CORRESPOND WITH US, SEND A RESPONSE.

>> BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT GOING TO. IT'S NOT OUR PROPERTY.

SO I'VE READ THIS LETTER. SO A COUPLE OF COMMENTS TO YOU.

THERE'S ARSENIC IN RICE. HIGH LEVELS.

>> I KNOW THAT. >> AND SO I'VE READ THIS LETTER THAT CAME FROM GALLIANO. I HAVEN'T SEEN ANYTHING FROM DEP BUT WE'RE NOT AN OWNER IN THE PROPERTY AND HAVE NO LEGAL STANDING SO THEY DON'T WANT TO BE SUED BY GALLIANO FOR SAYING WHY ARE YOU GIVING OUR INFORMATION TO SOMEONE ELSE.

BUT IT SAYS IN HERE THAT DEP DESIGNATED TWO NEW AREAS OF CONCERN AND IS REQUIRING ADDITIONAL ASSESSMENT.

IT SAYS THAT THEY ARE SUBMITTING A WORK PLAN FOR APPROVAL AND ALSO SAYS ADDITIONAL SAMPLING WAS PERFORMED TO CONFIRM SOME AREAS AND WAS SUBMITTED. DEP RESPONDED REQUESTING ADDITIONAL WORK. THE REQUESTED SAMPLES WERE COLLECTED FOR BOTH OF THOSE AREAS.

THE RESULTS WERE REPORTED AND SUBMITTED AND DEP GAVE THEM COMMENTS AND IT SAYS THEY'VE BEEN ADDRESSED BACK AND SUBMITTED SO THEY'RE STILL IN NEGOTIATIONS ON THAT SO I THINK BASED ON WHAT THEME READING THERE'S STILL WORK GOING ON.

DEP IS DOING WHAT DEP DOES. THEY KNOW OUR POSITION ON THIS.

I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT NEEDS TO CHANGE.

THEY'RE DOING -- THEY'RE FOLLOWING WHAT THEY WOULD NORMALLY FOLLOW. THIS SAYS THERE'S ONLY ELEVATED ARSENIC LEVEL AT ONE LOCATION. AND, AGAIN --

>> THERE'S TWO. AT THIS POINT.

>> IN THIS LETTER IT JUST SAYS ONE.

AGAIN, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE.

>> IF YOU GO DOWN THE MAP YOU CAN SEE THE TWO.

>> I DON'T HAVE A MAP. JUST A LETTER.

>> DO WE HAVE -- FROM DEP? >> NO.

>> I FORWARDED THE ENTIRE REPORT.

IS THAT WHAT YOU NEED?

>> I ONLY HAVE ASTONISH RIDGE TO DEP.

MAYBE IT'S ON A DIFFERENT ONE. WE SENT A LETTER.

ISN'T IT A NORMAL THING WHEN YOU SEND A LETTER AND ASK FOR SOMETHING WOULDN'T YOU WANT THEM TO RESPOND BACK TO YOU? I WOULD THINK. I WOULD THINK SO.

>> I WANT A GOOD RELATIONSHIP WITH THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS AND DEP BECAUSE I'VE HAD

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THIS LETTER SAYS >> IT'S 80 ACRES. THEY HAVE TO DO AN ENVIRONMENTAL, YOU KNOW, STUDY BUT WHY WOULDN'T DEP BE WANTING TO LET US KNOW FOR SURE SINCE IT HAS SOLD NOW THAT --

>> I MEAN, I DON'T HAVE A MAP OR ANYTHING.

I DIDN'T KNOW ANY OF IT WAS VILLAGE CENTER.

I THOUGHT IT WAS ALL ZONED SOLITE SO I DON'T KNOW BUT I'M ONLY ONE.

>> CAN ANYBODY SAY IT'S VILLAGE CENTER? WOULD ANYBODY LIKE TO TALK ABOUT THAT?

>> I DON'T THINK THE ENTIRE PART OF IT IS ZONED TO VILLAGE CENTER. I THINK THERE ARE PARTS BUT WHEN WE LOOKED AT IT BEFORE IT WAS NOT ALL VILLAGE CENTER.

>> IT WAS ABLE TO HAVE A NURSING HOME ON IT.

>> I THINK THERE'S A DIFFERENT DESIGNATION THAN SOLITE AND IT'S

CONTAMINATED? >> I'M NOT 100% SURE IF IT FALLS

UNDER THE CONSENT ORDER OR NOT. >> OKAY.

>> IN A LETTER THEY SAY THEY HAVE FINANCIAL ASSURANCE SINCE THEY SOLD IT FROM -- SAYS THAT THAT WOULD MEAN THAT -- I THOUGHT THE LETTER SAID THEY SET ASIDE AN ESCROW ACCOUNT.

I DON'T THINK THAT IT SPECIFICALLY SAID THAT THEY DID

FINANCIAL ASSURANCE TO THE DEP. >> I'LL HAVE TO LOOK.

>> OKAY. I GUESS I'LL JUST SAY THAT THIS IS MY REPORT BACK AND, AGAIN, I THOUGHT THAT WE WOULD HAVE RECEIVED A RESPONSE BUT --

>> MAYBE CAN WE GET A LITTLE MORE INFORMATION AND DISCUSS IT

AGAIN AT THE NEXT MEETING? >> WE NEED MORE RESEARCH.

>> YEAH. I'M SORRY.

I THOUGHT I GUESS -- >> I SENT THE LAST NIGHT I SENT THE LETTER AND THE FULL REPORT TO EVERYONE BUT YOU'RE SAYING IT

DIDN'T COME THROUGH? >> THERE'S NO MAP IN IT.

>> THAT'S A LARGE DOCUMENT. I SEE IT NOW.

I HAVE NOT GOTTEN TO IT. IT CAME AT 4:30.

I DID NOT SEE THAT UNTIL JUST NOW.

>> SO I HAVE A COUPLE OF PUBLIC MEETINGS COMING UP IN DISTRICT FOUR. SO WE HAVE A PUBLIC MEETING FOR THE RESIDENTS OF LIVE OAK LANE AT 6:00 O'CLOCK THURSDAY NIGHT AT THE MIDDLEBURG LIBRARY. THAT'S TO DISCUSS THE PAVING AND THE TRAIL, THE MAIN PART OF THAT GRANT PROJECT IS THE TRAIL.

AND THEN THE PAVING OF LIVE OAK LANE.

SO IF YOU ARE AFFECTED BY THAT OR YOU'RE CURIOUS ABOUT IT, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO AT THE END. SECOND -- ATTEND.

SECOND IS THE INDIAN TRAIL MSBU WE HAVE JUST SCHEDULED TODAY WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A MEETING WITH THOSE RESIDENTS AND THE LETTER WILL GO OUT THAT PAY INTO THAT MSBU ON JULY 24TH AT 6:00 O'CLOCK AT MCRAY ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.

AND SO THOSE ARE TWO PUBLIC MEETINGS GOING ON IN MY DISTRICT. AND THE FINAL THING I WANTED TO BRING UP IS THERE A MR. WALTERS HERE? YOU ARE GUESS HE DIDN'T COME. HE WAS GOING TO COME TONIGHT.

SO I HAVE A CONSTITUENT WHO BOUGHT SOME PROPERTY IN THE 1970S AND IN THE KEYSTONE HEIGHTS AREA AND IT HAS A RIGHT

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AND HE NOW WANTS TO PUT SEVEN HOMES, A SEVEN HOME SUBDIVISION ON HIS LOTS THAT ARE ON HIS PROPERTY AND HE BELIEVES THAT BECAUSE THE COUNTY OWNS THE RIGHT OF WAY THAT WE SHOULD DESIGN HIS ROAD INTO HIS PROPERTY.

AND HE HAS TALKED TO RICHARD SMITH AND TO ME AND TO THE COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AND WE HAVE COMMUNICATEDED TO HIM THE WAY KIND OF THAT WORKS AND HE IS INSISTENT THAT THE COUNTY SHOULD DESIGN HIS ROAD AND THAT HE WILL BUILD IT TO COUNTY STANDARDS AND SO I TOLD HIM THAT BECAUSE THIS IS NOT ON ANYONE'S RADAR SCREEN IT WAS NOT IN ANY BUDGET AND NOT PROPOSED THAT I WOULD HAVE TO BRING IT TO THE BOARD AND THAT IN ORDER TO PASS ANYTHING IT TAKES THREE COMMISSIONERS SO I TOLD HIM THAT I WOULD BRING IT TO YOU ALL TONIGHT TO SEE IF THERE IS ANY APPETITE FOR HAVING THE COUNTY PAY FOR OR DESIGN HIS ROAD FOR HIM.

IT IS THE COUNTY'S RIGHT OF WAY PROPERTY.

BUT I SAID THAT I WOULD BRING IT UP.

IF ANYONE HAS QUESTIONS FOR RICHARD, I'M SURE THAT HE'D BE

WILLING TO ANSWER THEM. >> COUNTY PROPERTY OR PERSONAL

PROPERTY? >> IT'S COUNTY RIGHT OF WAY.

>> NO PROPERTY WHO HONE OWNS THE PROPERTY?

-- WHO OWNS THE PROPERTY? >> RICHARD, DO YOU WANT TO ANSWER THAT?

>> RICHARD SMITH. CLAY COUNTY, ENGINEER.

IT IS A PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT WAS SUBDIVIDED AND PLATTED, AGAIN, EARLY ON. MAYBE 19670S.

-- 1970S CONSISTING OF A 60 FOOT COUNTY RIGHT OF WAY AND SEVEN

SMALL 60 FOOT WIDE LOTS. >> IN FAVOR.

OF DOING THIS. IT JUST TO ADD I KNOW THAT WE RESEARCHED CONNECTION WITH THIS BUT LIKE IN REFERENCE TO THE PLATS THAT RICHARD WAS TALKING ABOUT THE COUNTY IS DEDICATED RIGHT OF WAY ALL THE TIME IN DIFFERENT PLATS.

BUT WE DON'T OPEN IT UP. WE DON'T IMPROVE IT.

AND SPECIFICALLY, UNDER THE STATUTE, JUST BECAUSE YOU MAY DEAD AT A TIME TO THE COUNTY -- DEDICATE RIGHT OF WAY FOR PUBLIC USE DOES NOT REQUIRE US TO OPEN IT UP OR IMPROVE IT.

>> HE WENT FURTHER THAN THAT AND SAID THAT THE COUNTY ENGINEER SHOULD DO THE WORK FOR THE COUNTY PROPERTY.

I EXPLAINED TO HIM THAT'S NOT THE WAY THAT IT WORKS.

THAT THE COUNTY ENGINEER TAKES DIRECTION FROM THE COUNTY MANAGER ON HIS DAY-TO-DAY WORK AND SO A CITIZEN CANNOT DIRECT THE COUNTY ENGINEER TO DO ANYTHING.

I EQUATED IT TO THE COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.

EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE A CITIZEN SHOULD REPRESENT THEM ON COUNTY MATTERS AND THAT'S NOT THE CASE. ! THEY'RE GOING TO BE COMING OUT IN THE COUNTY TO DESIGN THEIR ROAD HE SAID NO THAT'S

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AND I SAID NOT NECESSARILY. IF IT'S RIGHT OF WAY THE COUNTY OWNS THAT'S THE PRECEDENT THAT WE WOULD SET AND HE WAS INSISTENT AND SAID HE WAS GOING TO COME TONIGHT.

THAT'S WHY I ASKED IF HE WAS HERE.

BUT HE DID NOT. >> ISN'T PART OF THE ISSUE THE FACT THAT HE WANTS TO DEVELOP THOSE LOTS AND IN ORDER TO DO THAT UNDER OUR CODE YOU HAVE TO DO IT OFF OF A PAVED ROAD.

>> HE WOULD HAVE TO BE REQUIRED TO BUILD A ROAD TO COUNTY STANDARDS AND IF IT'S GREATER THAN THREE LOTS THAT STANDARD IS A PAVED ROAD TO COUNTY PAVEING STANDARDS WHICH ARE SIX INCHES OF LIME ROCK AND AN INCH AND A HALF OF ASPHALT PAVEMENT.

>> MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT SINCE HE HAS TALKED WITH ME AND WITH RICHARD THAT HE HAS SINCE MET WITH THE WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT AND THAT HE HAS BEEN TOLD HE WOULD ALSO NEED A STORM

WATER POND. >> ALL RIGHT, WELL, THANK YOU.

I SAID I WOULD BRING IT UP SO THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT. ANYTHING ELSE FOR THE GOOD OF THE ORDER? SEEING

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.