[CALL TO ORDER]
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>> CHAIR: OKAY, I WILL NOW CALL TO ORDER THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS WORKSHOP FOR JULY 11, 2023.
LET THE RECORD REFLECT THAT ALL COMMISSIONERS ARE PRESENT.
WE WILL OPEN THE FLOOR FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO US, WE WELCOME PUBLIC COMMENT.
PLEASE,, MAKE SURE YOU HAVE A CARD FILLED OUT AND WE WILL GIVE YOU THREE MINUTES. NO PUBLIC COMMENTS.LRIGHT,
[1. Overview of Revenues]
SEEING NONE. HE WILL MOVE ON TO NEW BUSINESS. OUR FIRST ITEM A NEW BUSINESSIS THE OVERVIEW OF REVENUES. >> WE WILL RUN THIS ALL TOGETHER FOR THAT POWERPOINT SO IT COVERS THE ENTIRE AGENDA AS WE STEPPED THROUGH IT.IRST OF ALL, THANK YOU FOR HAVING THE TIME TO GO OVER THE BUDGET AT A HIGH LEVEL.
TO THAT POINT, WE ARE EARLY IN THIS PROCESS, SO THIS IS A FIRST GLANCE AT THE BUDGET. WE ARE GOING TO BE FOCUSING ON THE TOP LEVEL OF THE BUDGET. NOT HAVING SO DEEP INTO THE PARTNER LEVEL, BUT REALLY SHOWING YOU WHERE WE ARE AT.
THIS IS ABOUT THREE WEEKS EARLIER THAN WE DID THE LAST WORKSHOP LAST YEAR, BUT WE WANTED TO GIVE YOU A CHANCE TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS AND SHOW YOU WHERE WE ARE AT, AND TAKE ANY FEEDBACK THAT WE HAVE FROM THE COMMISSION ON THE DIRECTION WE SHOULD BE GOING ON THIS YEAR'S BUDGET.IN AUGUST, WE WILL COME BACK TO YOU WITH THE CIP IMPACT FEE MOBILITY FEE ARPA, THIS IS FOCUSING ON OUR GENERAL FUND AND OPERATING BUDGET SHARES. WITHOUT FURTHER REVIEW, I WILL TURN IT OVER TO DEBBIE, IT FOLLOWS THE AGENDA IN THE SYSTEM AND I WILL LET DEBBIE TALK ABOUT REVENUE.
>> GOOD MORNING. THIS IS EARLY AS FAR AS OUR REVENUE ESTIMATES. THIS YEAR LOOKS A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN LAST YEAR, LAST YEAR WE HAD DEPARTMENT REVENUE ESTIMATING FOR OUR REVENUES. THESE REVENUES BASICALLY FUND NOT ONLY OUR CIP BUT TRANSPORTATION TRUST.
WE DID THIS YEAR SINCE WE SAW EARLY IN THE PROCESS, WE SHOW YOU WHAT OUR BUDGET WAS FOR THIS YEAR, 2023 AND THE STATUS OF WHAT WE COLLECTED THUS FAR AT THE END OF JUNE.
WE ARE ON TARGET RIGHT NOW FOR COLLECTIONS.
SO, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS AS FAR AS THAT GOES, LET ME KNOW. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY REVENUE
QUESTIONS? >> WE ARE ABOUT THREE QUARTERS OF THE WAY THROUGH OUR FISCAL YEAR.
WE ARE ON TARGET WITH 82% COLLECTED OR 84% COLLECTED.
>> AND WE ARE ABOVE WHERE WE WERE LAST YEAR, SO THAT IS GOO
>> EXTRA COLLECTIONS BETWEEN SALES TAX AND GASTAX .
THE GAS AMOUNT HAS BEEN FLAT, SO THAT IS A PART OF IT.
>> MADAM CHAIR, A COMMENT ON THAT.
THE GAS IS FLAT, SO YOU CAN SEE ANYTHING IN THE HIGH 60S AND LOW 70S IF IT HAS GAS RELATED TO IN SOME WAY.
WE KNOW THAT WILL BE BASED UPON CONSUMPTION.
THE OTHER WOULD BE THE GAINS THAT WE HAVE HAD THROUGH SALES TAX AND THE PRICE OF GOODS. AS THE PRICE OF GOODS GO UP, THE AMOUNT OF THE REVENUE STREAMS ALSO GO UP.
THAT IS AN EASY ECONOMIC ONE ON ONE KIND OF THING TO LOOK AT MOST IMPORTANTLY, DEBBIE SAID WE ARE ON TRACK.
WITH REVENUE COLLECTION. >> AS FAR AS THE GAS TAX GOES, WHEN WE HAVE A GAS TAX HOLIDAY THAT IS NOT AFFECT OUR REVENUE
EITHER. >> ALSO DEBBIE, JUST FOR INFORMATION PURPOSES FOR COMMISSIONERS AS WELL AS THOSE WHO MIGHT BE WATCHING, THESE NUMBERS ARE FOR OUR FISCAL YEAR THAT WE ARE CURRENTLY IN. THE STATE WILL SEND THOSE NUMBERS FOR PROJECTIONS FOR REVENUES FOR NEXT YEAR WHICH IS WHAT YOU WILL EVENTUALLY USE TO HELP WITH THAT TOGETHER.
>> THAT IS WHAT I AM WAITING ON RIGHT NOW.
I CHECK IT EVERY DAY TO SEE IF ANYTHING HAS BEEN RELEASED YET AND SO FAR, NOTHING HAS BEEN. THEY ARE HAVING ESTIMATING CONFERENCES THIS MONTH SO AS SOON AS WE GET THE INFORMATION YOU WILL BE POPPING INTO THE BUDGET.
>> WITH A GREAT AMOUNT OF ELECTRIC VEHICLES, THIS WILL CHANGE AND AFFECT THE GAS TAX REDUCTION.
DO YOU HEAR ANYTHING FROM TALLAHASSEE AS TO WHAT HAPPENS WHEN GM GOES THE ENTIRE ELECTRIC FLEET?
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>> THE ONLY THING I'VE HEARD SO FAR IS THAT POTENTIALLY WOULD YOU GET REVENUE BASED ON THE ELECTRICITY THAT IS USED TO CHARGE THOSE VEHICLES. THEY WILL HAVE TO COME UP WITH A SOLUTION BUT I DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER YET AS FAR AS WHAT THAT
WILL BE. >> IN THOSE ESTIMATES THAT YOU ARE REFERRING TO, ARE THOSE THE SAME ESTIMATES THAT LAST YEAR PRINTED US TO BE SO LOW? WE ARE AT THEMERCY OF WHAT THEY
PREDICT . >> YES, LAST YEAR THEY CAME IN VERY LOW, IT WAS AN ELECTION YEAR.
AS THINGS SETTLE DOWN BACK INTO NOVEMBER, THEY GAVE US UPDATED REVENUE ESTIMATES WHICH WERE HIGHER, AND THAT IS WHAT WE HAVE ON OUR ACCOUNT REFLECTED. IT COULD HAPPEN, THERE COULD BE SOME ADJUSTMENTS BETWEEN JULY NUMBERS AND NOVEMBER NUMBERS.
AS THEY ANALYZE THINGS, THEY MAY TIGHTEN IT UP WITH THINK THERE IS A LITTLE BIT EXTRA IN THEIR.
>> BUT, WE HAVE TO BUDGETED ESTIMATES, RIGHT? THEN WE GO BACK AND REEVALUATE WILL BE GET THE UPDATED NUMBERS? YES.
WE WILL ADJUST DOWN IT BECOMES IN THE LOWER THE WHAT HAS BEEN ESTIMATED FOR US BECAUSE THAT IS OBVIOUSLY JUST AN ESTIMATE.
>> ARE YOU ABLE TO USE ANY HISTORICAL FORECASTING?
>> WE KIND OF LOOK AT THAT. HE MAKES THEM ESTIMATES HIMSELF AND THAT IS AS FAR AS THE SALES TAX GOES, SO YES WE HAVE DONE
THAT. >> AS FAR AS THE ESTIMATES THEY SEND IN TERMS OF REVENUES, WE CANNOT EXCEED THOSE.
>> WE BUDGET AT THAT LEVEL AND MAKE ADJUSTMENTS AS IT GOES BUT
WE DO NOT BUDGET OVER THAT. >> ONE OTHER THINGS IN TERMS OF ELECTRIC VEHICLES, YOU ARE SEEING SOME OF THE STATES, NOT FLORIDA AT THIS POINT, FIGURE OUT HOW TO TAX ELECTRIC VEHICLES ON MILEAGE DRIVEN. THEY ARE PUTTING WEAR AND TEAR ON THE ROADS SO CONSEQUENTLY THE ATTRACTIVE FIGURE OUT HOW TO USE IT AND HOW MUCH SHOULD YOU PAY.
SOMEONE IN WASHINGTON OR JAN MIGHT BE CLOSE BUT I DON'T THINK ANYONE IS ACTUALLY ADOPTED ANY OF THIS YET.
>> WITH THAT, AS YOU ARE TRAVELING THROUGH THE COUNTY, HOW ARE YOU PICKING THAT UP AS WELL?
>> ONE OTHER QUESTION THAT COMES TO MIND.
OBVIOUSLY WITH OUR HALF CENT SALES TAX WE ARE AT 92% TO BUDGET AND WE STILL HAVE TO COLLECT IN THE BIGGEST DRIVING SEASON. BUT, WHAT HAPPENS, WE WILL OBVIOUSLY COLLECT MORE THAN 100%.
THE SECOND WENT TO RESERVES, ARE WE ABLE TO THEN CARRY OVER?
>> THAT GOES INTO OUR CIP ENCUMBERS OUR BOND.
THAT ALSO COVERS OUR CIP PROJECTS.
WHEN RICH DOES HIS TRUE UP THAT IS WHEN WE WILL ADJUST WHAT THAT NUMBER IS. WE CAN POTENTIALLY SHIFT AROUND
SOME PROJECTS. >> I KNOW RICHARD HAS PROJECTS THATHE IS WAITING ON . AND YOU THE PROJECT ON REVENUE?
OKAY, THANK YOU. >> SO, SPONSORSHIPS.
WE TALKED BRIEFLY ABOUT THIS AT A PREVIOUS BOARD MEETING.
WE DO HAVE A SPONSORSHIP COORDINATOR COMMITTING NEW FUNDING OPPORTUNITY FOR THE COUNTY, WE ARE APPROACHING IS A COUNTYWIDE APPROACH FIRST DEPARTMENT WILL APPROACH.
WE DID BRING ON ONE THIRD PARTY COMPANY TO DO EVALUATION WHICH THEY MET WITH US AND HE SAID THERE THE FIRST TIME THAT THEY WORKED WITH DELTA THE HOLISTIC COUNTY APPROACH.
MOST OF THE TIMES THEY GET FROM PARKS AND REC AND THE BCC WILL BE GIVEN THE AXIS OF WHAT IS APPROPRIATE FOR CLAY COUNTY.
WE CAN BRING THIS TO THE BOARD AND LET YOU CHOOSE WHAT YOU WANT US TO PURSUE AND NOT PURSUE BECAUSE THEY MAY NOT ALL BE A GOOD FIT FOR CLAY COUNTY. JUST WANTED TO PUT THAT OUT THERE IS APART OF THE REVENUE . PULLING RIGHTS OF THE RIGHTS WE CAN SAY COCA-COLA TO BE ONLY ONE THAT IS ALLOWED TO SERVE AT
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YOUR COUNTY FACILITIES OR PEPS .IT'S ONLY THING ABOUT MY COUNTY FACILITIES.
>> ANY QUESTIONS? >> MADAM CHAIR, HOW CONFIDENT ARE YOU THAT AT THE END OF AUGUST YOU WILL HAVE A REPORT?
>> I AM VERY CONFIDENT. >> WE HAVE SEVERAL MAJOR INSTALLATIONS THAT WE ARE READY TO NAME RIGHT NOW WITHOUT THIS POLICY IN PLACE. IT MIGHT BE PRUDENT TO WAIT.
>> I AGREE. WE HAVE A POLICY IN PLACE BUT I WOULD WAIT UNTIL THE EVALUATION IS DONE.MEGAN MET WITH THEM AND GEORGE MET WITH THEM WITH ME.
I CAN TELL YOU, GOING INTO WHAT I WAS THINKING NAMING RIGHTS, PUT SOMETHING ON THE FIELD, THERE'S SO MUCH MORE TO SPONSORSHIPS AT A CORPORATE LEVEL THAT I WOULD NEVER EVEN IMAGINE PACKAGING TOGETHER IN THE EVENT YOU ARE DOING AND HE SAID I WILL - - BOTH PLACES GIVE YOU EXTRA.
[2. Overview of County Budget]
>> I WAS GOING TO LOOK AT A FEW OF THE FUNDS HERE THAT WE ASK FOR THEM. IN THE GENERAL FUND, WE HAVE AN INCREASE OF ABOUT SIX TO $7 MILLION.
WE MIGHT HAVE A LAUNDRY LIST OF THINGS REQUESTED IN THAT FUND WHICH INCLUDES RESCUE SERVICES AND CONTRACT NEGOTIATION WITH SALARIES. THE PERSONNEL THING AT THE BITE OF THE BUDGET. PARKS AND REC IS DOING A LOT OF DRAINAGE FOR IMPROVEMENTS AND ADDITIONAL PARKS HAVE BEEN ADDED. THAT HAS A $1 MILLION INCREASE ON THAT. BUILDING MAINTENANCE IS ANOTHER AREA WHERE THERE IS $1 MILLION INCREASE TO KEEP OUR MANY AREAS AND BUILDINGS ACROSS THE COUNTY FOR MAINTENANCE.
UPGRADES AND TECHNOLOGY THERE AND RISK MANAGEMENT, RAMPING UP THAT COST THERE. WE HAVE A WIDE RANGE ACROSS THE GENERAL FUND OF AMBITIOUS PROJECTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
IT IS JUST A QUESTION OF WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO AND DO WE HAVE THE RESOURCES TO DO IT? WE WILL HAVE TO COME TOGETHER AND SEE IF WE CAN GET THIS DONE.
THAT'S WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE GENERAL FUND.
TRANSPORTATION TRUST, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTION ABOUT THE
GENERAL FUND. >> DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY
QUESTIONS?>> QUICK QUESTION, THE EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT SALES
FACILITY, IS THAT IN THAT MIX? >> THAT IS THE AUGUST WORKSHOP,
>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? TRANSPORTATION TRUST, BUT WE HAVE THEIR IS THE TRAFFIC DIVISION, PUBLIC WORKS, TRAFFIC DIVISIONHAS SIGNALS, WE HAVE SIGNS AND STREETS .
IF MAINTENANCE OF ANYTHING ROAD.
THEY ARE INCREASE THEIR FROM NEW CAPITAL EQUIPMENT, THE TRAFFIC DIVISION THEY TRY TO WRAP UP ON SIGNAL BOXES WHICH IS $250 A POP. THEY NEED SOME SORT OF INVENTORY FORTHAT , I DON'T KNOW WHAT PEOPLE LIKE GETTING SIGNAL BOXES. WE GOT TO HAVETHOSE ON HAND .
HOW ABOUT A GUARD RAIL PROGRAM WHICH IS GOING TO BE SPLIT? THE BASIC FIXES WILL BECOME A PUBLIC WORKS AND IF IT IS BIGGER THAN THAT THERE WILL BE A PIECE OF THAT.
THERE'S A SPLIT IN THE GUARD RAIL PROGRAM BETWEEN TWO DIFFERENT FORMS. THAT WILL HANDLE THE BIGGER GUARD RAIL SYSTEM. SPEAKING OF THE MSD YOU FUND,
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THAT IS THE BIG INCREASE THERE 1.25 MILLION THERE .JUST ON THE ENGINEERING SIDE. THAT GETS US THROUGH THE BIG THREE, ANY QUESTIONS ON TRANSPORTATION TRUST?
>> I KNOW THERE ARE CERTAIN CARGOES THAT HAVE BEEN REPLACED AT MULTIPLE TIMES. DO WE GO AFTER THE PERSON THAT HITS THE GUARD RAIL TO SEE IF THEIR CAR INSURANCE WILL HELP
S OUT WITH THE COST? >> WE COULD IF WE WOULD WE
DON'T EXACTLY HANG OUT. >> MADAM CHAIR IF I MAY, WE DO.
IS BRIAN IN HERE? I THINK BRIAN WAS TAKING A COURSE IN ANOTHER ROOM OUT THERE.
BRIAN IS OUR RISK MANAGER. WE BROUGHT HIM ON BOARD THIS YEAR TO ATTACH THOSE THAT HAVE THE GUARD RAILS OR ANY OTHER DAMAGE THAT IS DONE. IT WORKS BOTH WAYS SO THERE'S AND RISK MANAGEMENT. AN INDIVIDUAL CAN CAUSE DAMAGE TO PUBLIC PROPERTY OR IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE POSSIBLE TO BLAME, HE WORKS THAT THROUGH THE ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. IF SOMEBODY HITS A GUARDRAIL, HE WILL BE TALKING TO THE INSURANCE COMPANY TO RECEIVE COMPENSATION UP TO WHATEVER POLICY LIMIT THEY HAVE.
THEY ARE VERY NOTORIOUS GUARDRAILS OUT THERE THAT GET HIT AN AWFUL LOT. WE TRY TO MANAGE THE ACCORDINGLY. RICHARD IS TAKING A LOOK AT THIS AND HOW WE CAN DESIGN THE AREA BETTER.
HE HAS ALSO BEEN LOOKING AT THAT WITH THE TEAM TRYING TO
FIGURE OUT A FIX TO THAT ALSO. >> I WANT TO ADD THAT WE DO GO AFTER THE INSURANCE. A LOT OF TIMES WE WILL BE ABLE TO COVER THE FULL AMOUNT, BUT WE DO GO AFTER IT AND GET AS MUCH AS WE CAN. IF LIKE OTHER INSURANCE LIKE MEDICARE WERE THE ONLY PAY A CERTAIN AMOUNT.
THEY PAID AN AMOUNT FOR OUR GUARDRAIL.
>> THERE WILL BE OTHER PROPERTY DAMAGE AND WE ARE ABLE TO SHARE WITH DIFFERENT PEOPLE THAT ARE MAKING CLAIMS AS WELL.
THE INSURANCE USUALLY IS NOT VERY HIGH.
WE STILL GET SOME BUT IT IS NEVER ENOUGH.
>> THE MINIMUM FLORIDA PROPERTY DAMAGE REQUIREMENT IS $10,000.
SHERIFF COOK MAY BE ABLE TO GIVE US THE NUMBERS IF WE GO AFTER THEM, THERE'S A GREAT NUMBER OF CLAY COUNTY DRIVERS THAT HAVE NO INSURANCE. DO YOU HAVE ANY NUMBERS? IT IS A PRETTY GOOD NUMBER. I HAVE SEEN 20%, MAYBE 30%
DON'T HAVE ANY INSURANCE. >> STATEWIDE IS 70% DRIVING
THAT SEEMS HIGH. >> THERE IS NOT REALLY A PENALTY FOR THOSE PEOPLE I FOUND.
IT IS VERY AGGRAVATING ON MY AUNT.
>> IF THE NUMBER IS THAT HIGH, EVEN HALF THAT, THAT IS 35%.
>> IS A LARGE NUMBER. >> ARE WE ABLE TO GO AFTER THAT
PERSON PERSONALLY? >> IF THEY HAVE ASSETS.
>> I THINK IT BEARS CERTAINLY INVESTIGATING AS TO WHETHER THE EFFORT OR RETURN ON THAT EFFORT ISENOUGH TO DO THAT .A STATE DELEGATION SHOULD BE ON TOP OF THAT FOR UNINSURED.
>> THE REST OF OUR RATES WOULD GO DOWN.
>> UNINSURED MOTORIST COVERAGE, WHEN SOMEBODY HITS YOU AND YOU HAVE INSURANCE AND YOU ARE UNINSURED MOTORIST COVER WHICH YOU PAY FOR. IT GOES INTO THE RATES FOR THE
PEOPLE THAT PAY THEM. >> IN MY PROFESSION, AS SOON AS AN ATTORNEY FIND THAT THEY HAVE NO COVERAGE, THERE WOULD BE NO
CASE. >> IT BECOMES A COMPOSITION FOR YOUR PROSECUTING ATTORNEY. THE ENFORCEMENT MECHANISM, THERE ISN'T ONE. THEY CAN ARREST THAT PERSON DRIVING UNINSURED, BUT OFTEN TIMES WHAT I NOTICED IS THAT THIS IS NOT A REFLECTION ON ALL ON THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE IN CLAY COUNTY. I WORK IN DUFAULT, IF AN
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OFFICER WANTS TO CITE THEM BUT I OFTEN NOTICE THAT THE UNINSURED DRIVER WILL PRESENT AN INSURANCE CARD THAT IS NO LONGER EFFECTIVE. THAT IS NEITHER HERE NOR THERE.PROPERTY DAMAGE MINIMUM $10,000 HERE IN FLORIDA, IF IT IS A MOTOR VEHICLE ACCIDENT THAT CAUSED IT, THEN YOU ARE SHARING IN THE $10,000 WITH THE PERSON WHO WAS HIT AND OFTEN TIMES, THAT IS MORE THAN ONE VEHICLE THAT HAS BEEN INVOLVED IN THAT.
IT IS TOUGHER THE COUNTY WITH COINS ON THE DOLLAR.
>> RICHARD, WHAT IS OUR GUARDRAILCOST OR THE TYPICAL GUARDRAIL DAMAGE THAT WE SEE ? I KNOW I'M PUTTING YOU ON THE
SPOT. >> RICHARD SMITH, CLAY COUNTY ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT. THE LAST GUARDRAIL BE REPLACED, THERE ARE TWO THINGS THAT ARE VERY IMPORTANT TO KNOW.
ONE IS A REPAIR. FLORIDA DOT ALLOWS YOU TO PREPARE A GUARDRAIL. IF YOU HIT IT AND IS NOT STRUCTURALLY DAMAGED, WE CAN GO AND REPAIR IT.
WHEN WE REPLACED A GUARDRAIL, IT HAS TO BE BROUGHT TO CURRENT STANDARDS. THE ONE ON RUSSELL ROAD, WE ARE REPAIRING THE SAME TOMORROW. THAT GUARDRAIL WILL BE REPLACE , THAT WILL BE ELIMINATED WITH THE CIP PROJECT IN THE BUDGET AND IT WILL NO LONGER BE NEEDED.
THE REPLACES ARE VERY EXPENSIVE.
THE ONE ON THE 220 BRIDGE SPECIFICALLY WAS $65,000 WHEN IT WAS HIT. IT LASTED ABOUT TWO DAYS BEFORE IT WAS HIT AGAIN. WE'LL HAVE VERY GOOD DRIVERS IN THE COUNTY. [LAUGHTER].
>> THEY MAY BE VERYGOOD DRIVERS PREPARE AIMING AT THE GUARD
RAIL. >> THAT GUARDRAIL WILL BE REPLACED WITH A NEW BRIDGE . THAT WILL BEGIN IN JULY 2024.
WE FIGURED OUT THAT WE CAN REPAIR A LOT OF THEM.
WE DO HAVE SOME TALENT AND SKILL INDIVIDUALS IN THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT HAVE DONE IT. WE HAVE THE POST AND THE RAILS.
SOME OF THEM YOU HAVE TO BE REPLACED.
OTHER ONE, BRUCE WAS IN BRIAN'S POSITION ONE OUT AND PHOTOGRAPHED ALL THE GUARDRAILS IN THE COUNTY.
WE HAVE AN INVENTORY OF THE ONES WE WANT TO FIX.
WE WANT TO BRING THEM UP TO CURRENT STANDARDS.
60 200,000 WOULD BE A TYPICAL REPAIR THAT WOULD BE ABOVE AND
BEYOND PUBLIC WORKS SCOPE. >> A RECENT CASE STUDY WOULD EXIST WITH THE COLLISION OF THE CAR ON THE ELEVATED BIKE PATH ON FLEMING ISLAND. DID HE RECOVER ANY MONEY? I HEARD THERE WAS NO INSURANCE FOR THE INDIVIDUAL THAT CLOBBERED IT, SO IN REALITY WE HAVE POLICY BUT IN REALITY, WE
RARELY RECOVER ANY MONEY. >> IT WAS THE WEEK PRIOR TO THE
INDIVIDUAL LOTS THAT INSURANCE. >> BUT, WE HAD TO FIX IT.
>> PUT THE TAXPAYER PAYS FOR I .
>> IT WAS AN EASY FIX BUT THEY DID A GOOD JOB.
>> COMMISSIONER: >> CHAIR: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THE UNINCORPORATED MSDU OR TRANSPORTATION TRUST?
>> THE NEXT ONE IS FIRE MSDU WHICH IS A CLOSE RELATIONSHIP WITH RESCUE SERVICES. MANY OF THE COSTS ARE SPLIT 7525 AS FAR AS MY REVENUE COMES IN.
THEY ALSO SPLIT THE SAFER GRANT.
A LOT OF THE PERSONNEL INCREASES ARE CAUGHT IN THE SAFER GRANT AS WELL AS THE REGULAR COST CENTERS.
THAT HAD A MINIMAL INCREASE BUT IT IS SHOWING IT IS SAFER.
>> BEFORE WE LEAVE SAFER, THAT PROVIDES PERSONAL FOR THREE YEARS OR FIVE YEARS? THREE YEARS?
OKAY.>> ON A SLIDING SCALE. >> DIMINISHING?
>> YES. >> SO FOR THE PUBLIC, WE GET PERSONNEL FUNDED BY FEDERAL MONEY FOR A PERIOD OF TIME.
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>> IF YOU WANT TO KEEP THEM, WE TO PAY FOR THEM.
>> MADAM CHAIR, IF I MAY, THIS MAY BE A PLUG FOR INTERNSHIP AND PUT YOU ON THE SPOT. WE HAD AN ABSOLUTE FANTASTIC TURNOUT HERE ABOUT A WEEK AND A HALF AGO WITH HIGH SCHOOLERS AND THEIR PARENTS TO INTRODUCE WHAT CHIEF - - HAD BEEN WORKING ON HAND-IN-HAND WITH THE SCHOOL BOARD AND SCHOOL SYSTEM TO REALLY OFFER THIS OPPORTUNITY FOR OUR YOUTH HERE IN THE COUNTY TO JOIN THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
THEY DID NOT JUST COME HERE ALONE, THEY HAD THEIR FAMILIES HERE WITH THEM, IT WAS VERY EXCITING AND THE CHIEF DID A GREAT JOB ON THE PRESENTATION TALKING ABOUT COMING IN, THE EDUCATIONAL PORTION OF IT, THE SALARY, THE BENEFITS IN THE LONG TERM. DID I COVER ALL THAT CORRECTLY? JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT PLUG. STILL AVAILABLE, THE TIMELINE FOR APPLICATION THAT IS STILL AVAILABLE THIS MONTH.
PLEASE, ANY KIDS THAT ARE OUT THERE, I KNOW THEY ARE ENJOYING SUMMER VACATION, BUT AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE A CAREER.
>> TO THEY HAVE TO BE A 23 HIGH SCHOOL GRADUATE?
>> NO. >> IS THERE A LIMIT TO THEIR
AGE ON THE HIGH-END? >> AND YOU HAD TO BE A RECENT HIGH SCHOOL GRADUATES I DO NOT KNOW IF IT HAD TOBE THE CLASS
>> OKAY. >> THAT IS BASICALLY IT ON THE FIRE MSTU, IT IS HAND-IN-HAND WITH THE RESCUE SERVICES.
THE INCREASES ARE ESSENTIALLY PERSONNEL RELATED.
THEN WE HAVE THESHERIFF, COUNTYWIDE AS WELL AS MSTU .
THEY ARE ADHERING TO THE FIVE-YEAR PLAN THAT THEY PUT TOGETHER A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO. THE ONLY OUTSIDE FORCES THAT HAVE AN EFFECT ON THOSE ARE RETIREMENT RATES, ESPECIALLY FOR THE SPECIAL CLASS WHICH MOST OF THEM FIT INTO.
WE ARE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THAT PUMP IS REALLY MEANING. IT IS THE SAME THING THAT WILL HIT THE FIRE AND AMBULANCE GUYS.
THAT IS WHAT WE ARE MONITORING RIGHT NOW TO SEE HOW MUCH THAT
IS AND HOW WE WILL COVER IT. >> ON THE RESCUE SERVICES, IT IS INCLUDED IN GENERAL FUNDS. DOES THAT MEAN IT IS A PART OF
I THOUGHT SO. >> A BIG CHUNK OF IT.
>> THE CHANGE IN DROPPED FROM 5 TO 8 YEARS, HAVE YOU DONE ANY ESTIMATES OR PREDICTIONS AS TO WHAT THAT MEANS?
>> NOT SO MUCH. >> THAT WILL BE YOUR MAJOR IMPACT. THAT COST IS THE COST HE WILL BEAR OUT EACH YEAR AS IT COMES. THE BIGGEST THING IS THE GO INCREASING FROM 1 TO 4% AND THE INCREASE IN RACE TO GET THE ACTUARIAL RATES OF SOLVENT FUNDS, WHICH THE MONEY IS THER , THAT IS WHERE YOU SEE THE ACTUARIES RAISE THE RATES EACH YEAR WHICH DOES HAVE A MAJOR IMPACT ON YOUR BUDGET BECAUSE WERE THOSE RATES GO UP THE HIGHEST AND THE FASTEST IS IN SPECIAL RISK.THE FACT THAT THEY ARE CHANGING WHEN YOU CAN GOING TO RETIREMENT FOR SPECIAL RISK IS GOING TO HAVE A BETTER IMPACT ON YOUR ACTUARIAL RATES. THAT IS IT WILL HURT THE COUNTY. OR, WE WILL HAVE TO PLAN FOR THAT IN OUR BUDGET, THE ACTUARIAL RATE INCREASES.
THAT IS WHAT THE IMPACT IS GOING TO BE.
>> I HAVE READ SOME ARTICLES ON THAT AND SIMILAR TO THAT.
ONE OF THE OTHER CONCERNS IS AS THEY ARE MOVING TO WERE ONLY SPECIAL RISK ARE ELIGIBLE FOR THE PENSION, THEY WILL HAVE TO RAISE THOSE RATES SO THEY HAVE ENOUGH MONEY FOR THOSE THAT STAY IN THE PENSION AND DO NOT GO IN THE OTHER.
WE CAN ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO GOING TO THE INVESTMENT SIDE.
WE ARE SUPPOSED TO STAY NEUTRA .
THE MONEY IS MUCH SAFER IN THE INVESTMENT SIDE IN THAT
SCENARIO FROM WHAT I HAVE READ. >> IT DEPENDS ON YOUR SITUATION. THE OTHER THING THAT YOU WILL SEE IMPACT US, THAT GOES BACK TO HAVING THE 25 CADET CLASS COMING FOR FIRE RESCUE, AS ARE CHANGING THESE RULES AND ALLOWING PEOPLE TO RETIRE OUT POSSIBLY SOONER, I KNOW THAT EIGHT YEAR DROP IS SUPPOSED TO ENCOURAGE SOME PEOPLE TO SAY,
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BUT THE RULES CHANGE. IT'S A LABORFORCE ISSUE, YOU WILL EVENTUALLY GET TO THE POINT WHERE YOU HAVE TO FILL THE LABORFORCE POSITIONS. TO FILL THOSE, THERE IS A COST.WHEN WE TALK ABOUT SALARY SURVEY, WHAT IS THE COST OF GAY PEOPLE IN THE DOOR TO WORK FOR THE COUNTY? FIRE RESCUE IN SHERIFF'S OFFICE YESTERDAY COMPETITIVELY GO TO THE NEXT COUNTY OVER AND TAKE THOSE JOBS.
IT ALL KIND OF TIES TOGETHER. >> I DO THINK THAT WE WOULD BE FOOLISH TO NOT PLAN FOR THE PROPOSED CHANGES TO FRS THAT DID NOT PASS THIS YEAR. I THINK THEY ARE COMING.
IT'S JUST A MATTER OF WE NEED TO BE PREPARED.
THAT IS WHY YOU ARE PAID THE BIG BUCKS.
[LAUGHTER]. >> THAT IS WHY HE HAS NO HAIR TOO. [LAUGHTER].
>> THAT WENT OUT A LONG TIME AGO.
ANY QUESTIONS ON ANY OF THE FUNDS? SO WE HAVE A FIVE-YEAR PLAN OF INCREASES OF NOTE.
WE HAVE ADDITIONAL PEOPLE, PUBLIC SAFETY AND LAW ENFORCEMENT. CURRENTLY IN TIER 3 THERE'S PUBLIC SAFETY CONTRACT AND WITH THE STUDY WE ARE COMMITTING TO MAKE SALARIESFOR ALL EMPLOYEES COMPETITIVE .
AGAIN, PERSONNEL COSTS ARE THE BIGGEST PIECE OF ANY BUDGET.
ANY MOVEMENT THERE INCREASES OF NOTE, PROPERTY INCREASES.
>> WE HAVE AN INCREASE OVERALL BETWEEN SIX AND 9% DEPENDING ON WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT WILL BE UP TO LOOK AT CPI.
THE GUARD RAIL PROGRAM IS 1.25 MILLION .
PARKS AND REC, INCREASES IN PARKS MAINTENANCE.
COMPETITIVELY IN THE LAST FEW YEARS, I'VE SEEN A BIG ROBUST CHANGE IN HOW WE ARE DEALING WITH PARKS AND GIVING A DECENT PRODUCT, EVERYONE COUNTYWIDE. PLUS YOU HAVE THE ADDITIONAL THE GUN RANGE AND THE SPORTS COMPLEX.
NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO IT WAS ALWAYS A DRAINAGE THING.
WITH THE CAPITAL BUDGET, WE'RE LOOKING AT FIRE STATIONS, THE RESURFACING BUDGET AND DRAINAGE, ALWAYS DRAINAGE.
THAT WILL BE COMING IN THE FIRST PART OF AUGUST.
>> COMMISSIONER: BACKUP TO INCREASES OF NOTE.
ONE OF THE THINGS IN THE FIVE-YEAR PLAN THAT IS BUGGING ME IN MY CONSTITUENTS'S CODE ENFORCEMENT.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT OUR DIVISION OF CODE ENFORCEMENT, IT IS NOT ROBUST AT ALL. IN FACT, IN ORANGE PARK WE HAVE AS MANY CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS AS WE DO IN CLAY COUNTY. ARE WE LOOKING AT THAT?
>> IT WOULD BE THE DESIRE OF THE BOARD TO CHANGE THE DIRECTION WE HAVE BEEN GOING WITH CODE ENFORCEMENT.
OBVIOUSLY, BACK IN 2008 IT WAS BACK SIGNIFICANTLY.
THE ARMY STATUTES TOO BY THE WAY.
YOU CANNOT ANONYMOUSLY REPORT A CODE VIOLATION.
WE DO OUR BEST ACROSS THE BOARD.
FROM PUBLIC WORKS GOES OUT OF THE RIGHT-OF-WAY AND THINGS LIKE THAT TO REALLY GOING AROUND.
WE DO NOT PROACTIVELY GO OUT THERE UNLESS YOU RECEIVE A COMPLAINT OBVIOUSLY, THE BOARD CAN GIVE STAFF COMPLAINTS, CONSTITUENTS THINK OF THOSE WERE COMPLAINTS BUT IN ORDER TO GET TO THE NEXT LEVEL, OBVIOUSLY IT WOULD TAKE STAFFING TO DO THAT. ANYTHING TO ADD ON THAT THAT
YOU WOULD WANT TO ADD? >> CHAIR: WHILE SHE'S COMING UP, IF YOU SPEND ANY TIME ON SOCIAL MEDIA IN CLAY COUNTY, WE DON'T WANT TO BECOME LIKE THAT WHAT IS GOING ON IN THE CITY OF - -. IF YOU HAVE A CARPORT, DON'T PUT ANYTHING IN IT BUT A CAR FROM WHAT I READ.
AT ANY RATE, WE WANT TO BECOME LIKE THAT.
I SHOULD THE FRUSTRATIONS OF THE NEIGHBORS.
THERE'S ONLY SO MUCH THAT COULD BEDONE BUT YOUR STAFF IS DOING
ALL THAT THEY CAN . >> I WAS SAY STAFF KEEPS UP VERY WELL WITH ALL OF OUR CASES.
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HONESTLY, IF YOU WANT THE SYSTEM TO LOOK INTO IT A LITTLE DIFFERENT AND NEEDS TO BE CONVERSATION ON WHAT OUR POLICY SAYS. WE ESSENTIALLY DO THE SAME THING EXCEPT BOTH OF OUR LETTERS ARE 30 DAYS.THEY STAY VERY CAUGHT UP IN A VERY ORGANIZED.
THEY WORK LIKE A REALLY GOOD TEAM.
THE ONLY THING I WOULD SAY IS IF YOU WANTED TO GET TOUGHER ON RIGHT-OF-WAY SIGNS, WE GET A STAFF MAKER MEMBER THAT DOES NOTHING BUT PICK UP SIGNS. THAT WAS TRIED BEFORE AND I DO NOT THINK IT WAS VERY SUCCESSFUL.
PER THE CASES, I SENT HOWARD OUR MONTHLY UPDATE ON CASES.
I THINK THIS PAST MONTH, WE OPEN 29 ENCLOSED 39 OR VICE VERSA. THEY ARE PRETTY SPOT ON.
THE ONLY THING YOU MIGHT WANT TO LOOK AT DOING DIFFERENCE IS CHANGE OF THE POLICY A LITTLE BIT.
>> WE TALKED CODE ENFORCEMENT QUITE A BIT SO I DON'T MEMBER EXACTLY WHAT YOU SAID, BUT THE FORECLOSURE STUFF.
I HAVE A NUMBER OF CASES IN MY DISTRICT THAT ARE NOT HOMESTEAD THAT COULD BE FORECLOSED. IS THAT YOUR STAFFOR COURTNEY
WE STARTED A PROBABLY ONE YEAR AGO, WE HAD FOUR CASES.
ONE OF THEM BE CLOSED SUCCESSFULLY AND GET THE FAMILY TO COME INTOCOMPLIANCE , YOU ALL REMEMBER THAT ONE ON ALDERMEN. THERE IS ANOTHER CASE ON THE AGENDA THIS AFTERNOON. IT IS ESSENTIALLY THE SAME THING. WE FINALLY GET THE PROPERTY OWNERS ATTENTION. HE DID SELL IT BEFORE FORECLOSURE COULD GOING TO THE VERY END OF THE FORECLOSURE PROCESS WHERE HE BECAME HOURS, HE SOLD AHEAD OF TIME.
WE WILL CONSIDER THAT ONE OUT WHEN AT THIS POINT IN TIME AND THERE ARE TWO OTHER CASES THAT ARE STILL OUTSTANDING THAT THE ATTORNEY THAT WE HIRED FROM OUTSIDE COUNCIL WITHIN THE ATTORNEY RESIGNED SO WE HAD TO FIND ANOTHER ATTORNEY, THAT ONE IS TAKING LONGER THAN WE WOULD LIKE.
HOPEFULLY WE CAN GET SOME CLOSURE TO THAT IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS. OUR THOUGHT PROCESS WAS AS SOON AS ALL FOUROF THOSE ARE DONE, WE TACKLE FOR MORE.E HAVE A RUNNING LIST . IF YOU WANT TO PUT FUNDING TOWARDS A PART-TIME ATTORNEY TO HELP THE ATTORNEY'S OFFICE TO DO MORE FORECLOSURES, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT CAN BE DONE.
>> IT SEEMS TO GET THEIR ATTENTION.
>> I HAVE A COMMENTED NOT A MEETING GOES BY, ALMOST ROUTINELY WE HAVE A LIEN REDUCTION, CODE ENFORCEMENT ISSUE AT THE COMMISSION LEVEL. TONIGHT, WE MAY CALL ONE OF THEM TO WIN, BUT THE OTHER ONE WE WILL ADJUDICATE TONIGHT HAS BEEN ONGOING FOR 13 YEARS DID IT A NON-HOMESTEAD PROPERTY.
THE NEIGHBORS HAD DELIVERED THAT MESSAGE FOR 13YEARS .
I CAN'T DISREGARD MY CONSTITUENTS CONCERNED ABOUT THIS, IT IS ONGOING AND TRUST ME, THERE ARE PROBABLY 100 FOR MORE THAT CAN BE LOOKED AT. I AM WELL PLEASED WITH THE STAFF AND WHAT THEY ARE DOING, ISSUES THE POLICY AND RESOURCES TO CLEAN UP CLAY COUNTY A LITTLE BIT.
>> IF WE WILL MOVE FORWARD WITH THE FORECLOSURE PROCESS, TO WHAT END? WHAT IS THE OUTCOME THAT THE COUNTY IS LOOKING TO ACCOMPLISH?
>> I THINK THAT IS A QUESTION MORE OF YOU GUYS THAN US.
MY THOUGHTS FOR THIS IT IS SOME OF THOSE LIKE COMMISSIONER RENNINGER SAID, THEY HAVE BEEN ON THE BOOKS FOR QUITE SOME TIME AND YOU CANNOT GET THEM TO DO ANY MOVEMENT TO CLEAN IT UP.
>> MAYBE I SHOULD CLARIFY. WHAT I MEAN IS THAT YOU INITIATE THE PROCESS, WE INITIATE THE PROCESS OF A FORECLOSURE AND IN THE INSTANCE THAT WILL COME BEFORE US TONIGHT, YOU HAVE THE HONOR OF THE HOME SELL THE PROPERTY.
BUT, THE COUNTY IS NOT IN THE BUSINESS OF INITIATING THESE FORECLOSURES. SO, WHAT IS EXACTLY THE
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MOTIVATION? WHAT ARE WE LOOKING TOACCOMPLISH? >> PREVIOUSLY WITH THE BOARD HAD CONNECTED AS COMMISSIONER RENNINGER SAID, THEY ARE FRUSTRATED THAT NO ACTION HAS BEEN TAKING.
AS YOU ARE WELL AWARE, WHAT WILL HAPPEN IS IF IT WAS HOMER SOMEONE IS LIVING IN, WE GO TO THE FORECLOSURE PROCESS AND THE HOME WILL BE SOLD. THE PEOPLE WILL HAVE TO MOVE OUT OF THE HOME BECAUSE WE WILL POSSESS THE HOME.
WE WILL THEN EITHER SELL IT AS IS OR WILL YOU HAVE TO CLEAN IT UP AND PUT IT ON THE MARKET. THAT IS THE PROCESS.
>> SO THE ONUS SHIFTS TO THE COUNTY TO PAY FOR IT.
I THINK THAT'S THE CRUX OF MY CONCERNHERE .
WE ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR CLEANING IT UP AND MAKING SURE IT GETS SOLD. I AM LOOKING FOR A WAY TO ANSWER THAT PROBLEM WITHOUT IT BECOMING AN ISSUE FOR THE COUNTY. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT ISSUE ANSWER IS, BUT THAT AND IS NOT WHERE WE ARE TRYING TO BE AS
THE COUNTY. >> I THINK YOU COULD BECOME AND PLAN TO THE AFFORDAILITY QUESTION.
IT COULD BE AN ANSWER FOR THAT. IF WE HAVE A DILAPIDATED, A TREE FELL THROUGH THEM. IT'S NOT HOMESTEAD LIVABLE, NOBODY WANTS TO PAY TO CLEAN IT UP.
WE FORECLOSE ON IT AND IF WE CAN EITHER PUT A NEW MOBILE HOME ON IT OR MANUFACTURED HOME AND FIXED WHAT IS THERE OR SELL THE PROPERTY AND HAVE SOMEONE ELSE REHAB IT, I THINK THAT CONTRIBUTE TO THE AFFORDABILITY ISSUE THAT THERE IS NOT ENOUGH AFFORDABLE HOUSING. I'D RATHER THE COUNTY TAKE THAT ON AND FRANKLY THE MAJORITIES IN MY DISTRICT.
I RATHER THAT ANOTHER MOBILE HOME THAT NO ONE CAN BE IN.
LETTERKENNY PHONE CALL FROM MY FRIEND IN THE COMMUNITY AFFAIRS DIVISION OF THE SHERIFF DEPARTMENT.
WE HAVE PEOPLE LIVING IN IT, CAN YOU GET THAT WITH THE OWNERS AND BEGIN A TRESPASS, THAT THE CYCLE WE ARE GOING ON I WANT RIGHT NOW THAT IS KNOWLEDGEABLE.
THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE MADE MORE THAN 50 VISITORS COUNTY ALONE .
THE DAUGHTER OF THE OWNER WAS LIVING IN THE GARAGE WITH HER BOYFRIEND.THEY FINALLY BROKEN THE FLAWS THAT HAD WARRANTS OUT. THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE ARRESTED BOTH OF THEM, THEY ARE NOT THERE ANYMORE.
IT REALLY SHOULD BE CONDEMNED OR, AFTER THE TERM COURTNEY HAS TAUGHT ME, IT IS BANK OWNED, HAS A MORTGAGE ON IT AND IT IS NO WINDOWS. MEANWHILE, THAT'S MICHAEL FROM THE MORTGAGE COMPANY CAN GIVE THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE AND PERMISSION TO DO A NO TRESPASS SO WE CAN FINALLY GET TO THE POINT THAT WE CAN DO A FORECLOSURE.
MEANWHILE, IT IS $400,000" UNFORTUNATELY MINUTES.
IF ANYBODY BUYS IT, THEY COME TO US FOR A LIEN REDUCTION BECAUSE THEY WILL NEVER PAY THAT MONEY.
IT'S WORTH MAYBE 20,000. >> THAT IS HOW A LOT OF THEM ARE TO BE HONEST WITH YOU. THEY'RE NOT WORTH WHAT IT COST TO CLEAN IT UP AND TURN IT AROUND AND HIRE SOMEBODY TO
SELL IT. >> ON THE COUNTY WE DON'T TAKE ON THE LIABILITY FOR THE MORTGAGE.
>> TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE IS A REALLY LONG LIST IF YOU LIVE YOUR DISTRICT LISTS.
HONESTLY, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE FACTARE THEY HOMESTEAD ? THAT MARKS THE LION'S SHARE OF THEM OFF BECAUSE YOU CANNOT TAKE IT WITH HER PRIMARY HOME. THEN YOU LOOK AT THE MORTGAGE MARKET NUMBER OF THEM ARE MORTGAGE.
YOU LOOK AT THOSE COUPLE OF THINGS.
ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS IS A LOT OF TIMES SOME OF THESE HOMES ARE NOT HOMESTEAD FOR TAX PURPOSES.
BUT, THE PERSON'S ADDRESS IS THAT ADDRESS.
WE THINK THEY ARE HOMESTEAD, THEY JUST HAVE NOT DONE THE RIGHT TAX PAPERWORK TO MAKE IT A HOMESTEAD PROPERTY SO THAT GETS STICKY TOO. I WILL TELL YOU, PROBABLY FOR FIVE YEARS AGO COURTNEY YOU THINK?WASHINGTON AND TAYLOR AVENUE? WE TRIED TO DO IT ON THE
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COMMISSIONER WERE STILL HERE, THAT WAS ONE OF THOSE THINGS AND THERE WERE A COUPLE OF CASES WHERE I TRIED TO GO AFTER THOSE GUYS. ONE OF THOSE EXAMPLES WAS AN ELDERLY GENTLEMAN THAT WAS A VETERAN LIVING IN THIS DARK NICE PLACE AND IT WAS ALL WE HAD.WE DID TRY A COUPLE OF TIMES BEFORE, NOT REALLY SUCCESSFUL.
THERE'S A LOT OF STEPS TO MAKING SURE WE CAN GO AFTER THOSEPROPERTIES . I THINK WE CAN TAKE THE ATTORNEY THAT COURTNEY HAS HELPED US GET AND TRY TO DO FOUR OR SO AT THE TIME BUT I DON'T THINK THERE ARE AS MANY AS YOU THINK THERE ARE. WE WILL HIGHLIGHT WHICH ONES WILL BE ELIGIBLE FOR THAT. THAT WAY, YOU WILL AT LEAST
HAVE A GOOD IDEA. >> I HAVE A COMMENT, ONE OF MY GOALS IS WITH AND FOCUSED EFFORT IN THIS REGARD, I DON'T WANT TO GET TO THE END STATE THE INTERMEDIARY STATE WERE TO MAKE - - OWNERSHIP PROPERTY HAS RESPONSIBILITY.YOU WILL HEAR ONE TONIGHT WITH INDIVIDUAL - - WHENEVER FAMILY MEMBERS WAS LIVING.I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE IF YOU OWN THE PROPERTY YOU HAVE TO MAINTAIN IT. IT JUST SEEMS LIKE THAT IS A FOREIGN CONCEPT AT TIMES. I WANTED HERITAGE HILLS OWNED BY OWNER IN OREGON. HE DOES UNDERSTAND THE OWNERSHIP OF THE PROPERTY, HE IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE SOMEHOW, WE HAVE TO GET THAT ACROSS TO OUR CONSTITUENTS.
>> COMMISSIONER BURKE? >> COMMISSIONER: I FEEL THAT THERE IS A LOOPHOLE WHENEVER YOU HAVE CODE ENFORCEMENT AND WE HAVE SOMEBODY THAT MOVED EVERYTHING TO THE NEXT PROPERTY OVER, SO THE CODE ENFORCEMENT CASES TO CLOSE AND THE CONSTITUENT THAT WROTE THE COMPLAINT NOW TO TAKE THE TIME TO GO BACK TO WRITE ANOTHER COMPLAINT OTHERWISE THE CASE STAYS CLOSE AND YET THIS PERSON CONTINUES TO GET AWAY WITH THIS. IS THERE A WAY AROUND THOSE
PEOPLE? >> INITIALLY WE TALKED ABOUT THE TWO LETTERS WHEN YOU ARE REPEAT OFFENDER FOR THE SAME THING IT GOES TO A 30 DAYS LETTER AND ASSENT TO THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE.THAT GENTLEMAN HAS A DAILY FINE
AFTER JUNE. >> AS LONG AS THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE CHRIS UP ON THEIR FINE, HOPEFULLY THAT IS THE
CASE? >> I THINK THEY WENT FROM 25 AND I THINK IT WENT TO 50 WHEN THEY HAD THEIR CASE ON JUNE 1.
>> OR SO, THAT WOULD BE THE PENALTY? HOWEVER, WHEREVER THEY SAID THEY CANNOT ATTEND THE MEETING HEARING BECAUSE THEY ARE OUT OF TOWN, TODAY PENALIZE HIM FOR
THAT TIME? >> WHEN THEY FIND THEM, THEY GO BACK TO ONE OF THE SPECIFIC DATES TO START THAT FINE.
>> IT SAYS THAT IN THEIR LETTER TOO.
FINES WILL ACCRUE BACK TO THE DATE OF THE FIRST VIOLATION.
>> I THINK IT IS AS WELL. >> THAT HAS TO BE OPENED AGAIN
FOR THAT TO HAPPEN? >> MADAM CHAIR, TO MOVE THIS ALONG, I HAVE A RECOMMENDATION ON THREE LEVELS.
CHRIS, OUR SPECIAL MAGISTRATE COMES IN ON TWO MONTHS FOR WRITING THESE CODE VIOLATION, THEN THEY GET A SPECIAL MAGISTRATE AND THEY WILL COME UP WITH THE GRAND STORE.
I THINK WE SHOULD MAKE A TV SHOW OUT OF THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE MEETING BECAUSE SOME OF THE STORIES AND EXCUSES AS TO WHY THEY HAVE NOT DONE WHAT THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO DO.
THE PROPERTY ARE PRETTY AMAZING.
I RECOMMEND CHIEF OF STAFF IS TO MOVE THAT ALONG AND YOU HAVE TWO DIFFERENT WAYS TO GO. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT NEW CASES AS OPPOSED TO ASSISTING CASES. I HAVE A COUPLE OVER $1 MILLION, SOME OVER $2 MILLION. UNFORTUNATELY, THE ONLY WAY AMERICAN PEOPLE TO SETTLE THESE BEVERAGES TO FORECLOSURES.
AT THAT WE WANT TO BE STUCK WITH THE PROPERTY WHERE WE BECOME THE CODE VIOLATOR AT THAT POINT IN TIME WE TOOK OVER A PROPERTY, THAT IS IN SHAMBLES.
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IT SEEMS THAT IS THE ONLY WAY. YOU HAVE TO BRING PEOPLE RIGHT UP TO THE BRINK. I'M NOT SURE WHETHER YOU WANT TO START A RENOVATION DEPARTMENT BUT IT DOES NOT SEEM LIKE ANYTHING ELSE WE HAVE DONE HAS BEEN ABLE TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM. THAT WOULD BE THE CASE.IT IS NOT, IT WOULD BE A LOT OF MONEY FOR ADDITIONAL STAFF OR MAYBE AN OUTSIDE VENDOR ATTORNEY OR SOMEBODY TO HELP US WITH THAT. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS ON WHAT THE COST WOULD BE SO WE CAN ADD IT TO THE BUDGET BECAUSE THAT IS A MAJOR PROBLEM.
WITH THE EXISTING CASES, HOW DO WE MOVE THEM THROUGH FASTER? DO WE GO TO ORANGE PARK AND FOLLOW IT UP WITH A 30 DAY LETTER MAYBE WE TRY FOR A PERIOD OF TIME, SIX MONTHS WE BRING THE MAGISTRATE IN EVERY MONTH AND SEE IF THAT HELPS? THERE ARE TIMES WERE SHE GIVE THEM A 30 DAY EXTENSION BUT SHE DOES NOT COME BACK UNTIL 60 DAYS.
NOTHING WILL HAPPEN. >> MY ONLY RESPONSE TO THAT WOULD BE IF SHE GIVES THEM 14 OR 30, WHATEVER THE DAY IS, OUR STAFF GOES OUT THE DAY AFTER. IF IT IS NOT INTO COMPLIANCE, THAT IS WITHOUT FINE ISSUE.IT DOES NOT MATTER IF IT TAKES TOO MUCH BECAUSE WHAT THEY WILL REPORT IS ON THE 14 DAYS YOU GAVE THEM, THEY WERE NOT IN COMPLIANCE AND SHE WILL GO ALL THE WAY BACK TO THE ORIGINAL DATES.
THE ONLY OTHER ISSUE I WOULD SAY, A LOT OF TIMES OUR HANDS ARE TIED WITH STATE STATUTES FOR SPECIAL MAGISTRATE.
YOU HAVE TO POST AND HAVE YOUR LETTER MAILED IN ALL THE SELF 40 DAYS PRIOR. IT IS A LONG WINDOW OF CHECKING BOXES BEFORE YOU CAN GET ON THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE.
YOU GUYS ARE THEM EVERY TIME THEY COME UP HERE, THEY DID NOT GET A LETTER. WE HAVE PROOF, WE HAVE A PICTURE ON SITES. THERE ARE ALL KINDS OF TIME PARAMETERS, WE HAVE TO GO BY FLORIDA STATUTE ON THAT.
>> MAYBE THAT'S ANOTHER AVENUE WE CAN TAKE.
I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THERE IS AN OUTSIDE GROUP OR WE CAN DO THIS INSIDE. TO COME UP WITH MEANINGFUL PROPOSED CHANGES TO STATE STATUTE THAT WE CAN WORK WITH OUR LEGISLATIVE DELEGATION ON TO SEE IF MAYBE ONE OF THEM RADLEY IS NOT LIMITED ONBILLS .
REALLY IT IS NOT SO MUCH, I HAVE QUITE A FEW THAT ARE LIKE WE TALKED ABOUT THAT I LIKE THE GENTLEMAN, THEY LIVE IN CONDITIONS WE WOULD NOT CONSIDER LIVABLE.
THAT IS WHAT THEY HAVE. THEN WE HAVE OTHERS THAT ARE FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM, SLUMLORDS AND I HAVE BOTH.
WE DON'T WANT TO PENALIZE THE PEOPLE WHO IT IS ALL THEY HAVE.
WE ALSO DON'T WANT TO PENALIZE CHILDREN OR TAKE THEM OUT OF THE HOME AND THEY ARE IN SCHOOL.
THAT BECOMES VERY COMPLICATED. AT THE SAME TIME, THESE PEOPLE HAVE TO LIVE BY THIS. TERESA HAS HAD TO FIELD AN AVID PERSON GOING MULTIPLE TIMES EVERY DAY BECAUSE WE HAVE SOMEONE GOING IN FRONT OF THE MAGISTRATE IN AUGUST AND THEY MOVED OUT AND LEFT THE BUNCH OF TRASH.NEXT DOOR TO HER IS GARBAGE, NOT JUST TRASH. IT'S HOUSEHOLD FOOD WASTE AND GARBAGE ON PRIVATE PROPERTY. MAYBE - - BACK TO THE LEGISLATOR TO GET ON BOARD WITH.
>> MADAM CHAIR, WE CAN HANDLE THAT TO THE HEALTH AND SAFETY JUSTICE COMMITTEE IS SOMETHING WE SIT ON AND THAT WE CAN CERTAINLY PRESENT THAT AND SEE IF THERE'S SOMETHING WE CAN BE WILLING TO ADOPT. IN TERMS OF MOVING THIS FORWARD TO MY LOVE TO HEAR THOUGHTS ON HOW WE CHANGE THE POLICY AND WHAT KIND OF ADDITIONAL STAFF WE MAY NEED TO MOVE THINGS FASTER SO WE CAN GET TO A POINT WHERE WE CAN CLEAN UP THE BACKLOG AND IT SOUNDS LIKE WE STAY PRETTY CLOSE TO BEING CURRENT IN TERMS OF NEW CASES. WE HAVE SOME TIME FOR YOU TO BE
ABLE TO DO THAT. >> MY REQUEST HOWEVER, IN ADDITION TO THAT IS TO ALSO EXPLORE WHAT OPTIONS WE HAVE CONSISTENT WITH WHAT MADAM CHAIR SAID ABOUTOUTSOURCING FOR
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A STATUTE . IT SOUNDS LIKE WE HAVE A SOLUTION TO THAT SPIRIT BUT, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW HOW WE COULD GO ABOUT ADDRESSING THESE CONCERNS WITHOUT EXPANDING THE COUNTY'S RESPONSIBILITIES. MAYBE WE NEED TO LOOK INTO HOW WE CAN OUTSOURCE THAT AS WELL. TO COMMISSIONER RENNINGER!, IF WE ARE GOING TO THE OWNERSHIP PROCESS OF FORECLOSURE REQUIRES MAINTENANCE AND MAINTENANCE OF THE PROPERTY IS GOOD IDEA.THE RAMIFICATIONS OF TAKING ON A FORECLOSURE AND HAVING TO GO TO THE ENTIRETY OF THE PROCESS WHERE THE OWNER DOES NOT SELL BEFORE WE TAKE OWNERSHIP BECOME SOMETHING THAT WE MAY WANT TO WORKSHOP AND SEE THROUGH. THAT'S MY SUGGESTION AND REQUEST THAT WE ALSO LOOKED AT HOW WE CAN OUTSOURCE THAT
RESPONSIBILITY. >> COMMISSIONER:
>> CHAIR: ANYTHING ELSE? RAGE TOOK A NAP APPEAR, HE IS ASLEEP. [LAUGHTER].
>> SOMEHOW I WILL TRANSITION TO COMP STUDY.
>> AS REG INDICATED, ONE OF THE BIGGEST IMPACT IS PERSONNEL.
WE ARE CURRENTLY UNDERTAKING A COMPETITION STUDY.
WE HAVE NOT DONE THE COMPETITION STUDY AND FULLY IMPLEMENTED IN AT LEAST EIGHT YEARS, PROBABLY LONGER THAN THAT THE IDEA BEHIND THE COMPOSITION STUDIES TO PAY THE BENEFITS TO BE COMPETITIVE WITH OTHER GOVERNMENT ENTITIES WHICH WE ALLUDED TO EARLIER. WE WANT TO LOOK INTO OTHER BENEFITS. EPIC TUITION REIMBURSEMENT AS AN EXAMPLE, BUT THERE'S A WHOLE BENEFIT PACKAGE THAT WE OFFER THAT MAY OR MAY NOTBE KEEPING UP THE PACE .
I USE TUITION REIMBURSEMENT AS AN EXAMPLE.
ARSON 1200 TOMATO CANS ARE 30 504,000, 5000.
THE COMPOSITION STUDIES TO LOOK AT ALL THAT MAKE SURE WE ARE COMPETITIVE ACROSS THE BOARD. THE EARLY ESTIMATES FOR THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE ARE BETWEEN SEVEN AND 9% IMPLEMENT.
AND IMPLEMENT STATE-MANDATED MINIMUM WAGE.
THEY ARE STILL NOT AT $15 PER HOUR FOR EVERY EMPLOYEE.
THE COMPENSATION STUDY SHOULD BE COMPLETED MID AUGUST.
WE WILL HAVE TIME TO IMPLEMET THAT, MAYBE SOME SLEEPLESS NIGHTS BUT WE WILL HAVE TIME TO IMPLEMENT IT INTO THIS YEAR'S BUDGET. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THE COMPENSATION STUDY.
>> CHAIR: ANY QUESTIONS? SHERIFF, ANYTHING YOU WANTED TO
ADD? >> SPECIFIC PROJECT THAT COME
[3. Project Specific Discussions]
UP IN RECENT MEETINGS ON WHERE WE ARE IN THE PROCESS, MOODY PARK, WE DID FACTOR TO THE BUDGET THE 160,000 FOR THE FIXED WALL. WE ARE PENDING FROM THE GET SPONSORSHIPS FOR THAT. THE IKO ROAD OR THE SPENCER INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX, THAT IS THE CIP TO BUILD THAT ROAD AND IT IS LOOKING FAVORABLE WE HAD SOME VERY GOOD DIALOGUE SO WE ARE HOPING, FINGERS CROSSED, ANY DAY NOW TO GET WORD FROM THEM THAT HAS BEEN FUNDED AND THAT WILL BE FACTORED INTO THE CIP WE BRING INTO AUGUST. WE HAD A CONVERSATION ABOUT SWEAT A FEW WEEKS AGO AND WILL TELL WHAT REVENUE IS COMMON AND WHAT EXPENSES WE HAVE HAD. THERE IS ABOUT 450,000 LEFT THE REVENUE THAT WE HAVE BROUGHT IN THROUGH THE SWEAT PROGRAM.CLASSES EXPENSES WERE 160,000 SELECTED THE PROGRAM CAN BE SUPPORTED FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS WELL BE DETERMINED WHAT THE
RIGHT APPROACHES GOING FORWARD. >> ANY QUESTIONS ON ANY OF THAT
TOO? >> :IMPACT ON REVENUE, THIS SOMETHING I WANTED TO - -. THERE ARE 55,743 EXEMPTIONS RIGHT NOW THAT PEOPLE ARE GIVEN.
WHETHER IT IS HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION, VETERANS EXEMPTIONS, PUTTING PERSPECTIVE THAT 55,000 HOMES HAVE SOME KIND OF
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ATTENTION ON THEM LOWERING THE TAX BURDEN.SAVE OUR HOMES IS ALWAYS A CONVERSATION ABOUT HOW MUCH OF THECOST IN THE COUNTY , OR WHAT IT IS THAT DEFERRED REVENUE.
FOR LAST YEAR, 2022, IF YOU GO BASED ON THE GENERAL FUND, THAT IS $30 MILLION NOT COLLECTED YOU TO SAVE OUR HOMES.
OVERALL IT WAS $47 MILLION OF REVENUE THAT COULD OF CAME IN IF EVERYONE WAS CHARGED WITHOUT HAVING SAVE OUR HOMES.
JUST PUTTING THAT OUT FOR PERSPECTIVE.
>> AND THE PROPERTY APPRAISER'S OFFICE IS FINISHING UP THEIR STUDY. I HAPPEN TO COME ACROSS A PROPERTY IN MY DISTRICT LOOKING AT IT, WE ACTUALLY HAD AN ANIMAL CONTROL ISSUE SO WE WERE LOOKING AT IT FOR THAT REASON.
COME TO FIND OUT THE PERSON IS NOT HERE FULL-TIME BECAUSE THEY ADMITTED IN FRONT OF ONE OF OUR COUNTY JUDGESTHAT THEY ARE NOT FULL-TIME . I DID MY CONSTITUTIONAL DUTY AND REPORTED UP TO THE PROPERTY APPRAISER.
THERE ARE COUPLE THINGS I LEARNED, IT IS ACTUALLY FRAUD.
IF YOU HAVE A HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION AND IT JUST BECAUSE YOU THINK IT IS NOT A BIG DEAL OR HURTING ANYBODY, IT'S A LITTLE TAX MONEY THE COUNTY IS NOT GETTING IT IS ACTUALLY FRAUD AND YOU COULD GO TO JAIL WITH EXPERT SECONDLY, THIS HOME IS FOR RENT ON VR BE OH. I ASKED THE STATE LAW AND THAT AND STATE LAWS THAT YOU COULD RENT YOUR HOME HAS A SHORT-TERM RENTAL NOT MORE THAN 30 DAYS IN THE CALENDAR YEAR TWO YEARS IN A ROW. FOR SOME SPECIAL EVENT YOU COULD RENT YOUR HOME OUT AND NOT BE PENALIZED WITH THE EXCEPTION BEING AT RISK BUT YOU CANNOT DO IT MORE THAN 30 DAYS TWO YEARS IN A ROW. TO HAVE THAT RIGHT, KIMBERLY? ANYWAY, JUST A TIDBIT THERE. PEOPLE ARE TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THE SYSTEM AND STACY TRIED TO ELIMINATE THAT.
NOT TO BE BIG BROTHER OR GOVERNMENT BUDGET TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE ARE GETTING THE CORRECT EXEMPTIONS, THE ONES
THAT THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO GET. >> MADAM CHAIR, IS THAT 60 DAYS TOTAL OVER THE TWO YEARS OR 30 DAYS OVER THE TWO YEARS?> CHAIR: 60 TOTAL, NOT MORE THAN 30 IN A YEAR.
IT IS KIND OF INTERESTING. I DO NOT KNOW THAT.ANYTHING ELSE ON ANY OF THAT? THAT IS A BIG NUMBER.
>> FUTURE CONSIDERATIONS, WE HAVE TALKED ABOUTSOME OF THESE THIS PAST YEAR . THE LEGISLATURE DID INCREASE FRS, THERE WILL BE ANOTHER MOST LIKELY ATTEMPT BECOME COME BACK NEXT YEAR. IT HAS BEEN APRIORITY TO GET THAT FULLY IMPLEMENT IT . THAT WOULD BE A NINE TO $10 MILLION IMPACT OF THE COUNTY'S BUDGET THAT DOES PAST.
THAT IS SOMETHING YOU TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION WHEN IT COMES TO SETTING UP OUR BUDGET AND PROPER RESERVES THAT WE COULD HANDLE THE KIND OF IMPACT. THEN THERE'S ALWAYS A TALK ABOUT THE HOMESTEAD PROPERTY TAX INCREASES.
TWO TIMES NOW WE HAVE SEEN THEM GO FOR THE INCREASE.
LAW ENFORCEMENT, FIREFIGHTERS, EMERGENCY MEDICAL TECHNICIANS, TEACHERS AND ACTIVITY TO MAKE MILITARY .
THIS WAS PASSION VOTED DOWN BY THE STATE WHEN I WENT TO THE VOTERS. HOWEVER, IT WILL PROBABLY COME BACK AGAIN AND IF IT IS IMPLEMENTED , WE HAVE REFLECTED THE APPROXIMATE COST TO THE COUNTY WHICH WILL BE $430 PER FULLY QUALIFIED BECAUSE OF THE SLIDING SCALE.
FOR 1000 HOMES YOU'RE LOOKING AT A $430,000 IMPACT.
I WILL LIKE TO ESTIMATE HOW MANYSCHOOL TEACHERS, FIREFIGHTERS, LAW ENFORCEMENT ACTIVE DUTY MILITARY HAVE IN THE COUNTY . IF YOU SEE THERE ARE 5000 THEN - - $2 MILLION. THUS THE POTENTIAL IMPACT IS SOMETHING LIKE THAT IS IMPLEMENTED.
IT IS JUST THERE FOR DISCUSSION PURPOSES.
AGAIN, IN DOING THE BUDGET THIS IS WHY IT IS IMPORTANT THAT WE LOOK AT PUTTING MONEY IN RESERVES.
WHILE YES, OUR TAXES AND NUMBER OF PEOPLE COMING INTO THE COUNTY IS INCREASING, SO IS THE COST OF DOING BUSINESS AND MAINTAINING THAT LEVEL OF SERVICE THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW.
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ANY IMPACT THE BUDGET AND REDUCING THE BUDGET MEANS WE CANNOT PROVIDE THE SAME LEVEL OF SERVICE.IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT.
>> I WOULD YOU SAY THAT BOTH OF THOSE COULD BE BROUGHT UP TO THE STATE DELEGATION, ESPECIALLY BROUGHT UP IN TERMS OF THE FRS. JUST BECAUSE WE THINK IT IS COMING UP AGAIN IN THE NEXT SESSION WILL START IN JANUARY, IT DOES NOT MEAN WE CANNOT MENTION THAT TO THE STATE DELEGATION AND IMPRESS UPON THEM WHAT THAT WOULD DO TO OUR LOCAL BUDGET WITH PEOPLE MENTATION AND NO FUNDING COMING
FROM STATE. >> THAT IS THE KEY.
WHEN THEY ARE PUTTING UP RECORD SURPLUSES, HOW ABOUT GIVE US A MANDATE. GIVE THE INCREASE FOR OUR EMPLOYEES, EVERYBODY WANTS THAT BUT GIVE US THE MONEY TO PAY
FOR IT OR CONSIDER IT. >> MADAM CHAIR, THERE WAS A PROVISION IN LAST YEAR'S BILL TO DO THAT FOR FINANCIALLY CONSTRAINED COUNTIES. THERE WAS A SET-ASIDE THAT THEY WERE GOING TO DO CERTAIN THINGS FOR FINANCIALLY CONSTRAINED COUNTIES, BUT THAT DOES NOT HELP US.
>> I COULD NAME 67 FINANCIALLY CONSTRAINED COUNTIES.
[LAUGHTER]. >> I WILL SAY IT BUT IT IS NOT THAT POPULAR THING, WE HAVE LAWMAKERS WHO LOVE TO SHOW THAT WE GIVE TAXPAYERS THE MONEY BACK AND GIVE YOU A TAX CUT.
THAT USUALLY MEANS AT THE LOCAL LEVEL SOMETHING HAS TO CUT.
>> JUST IN GENERAL, AN ADVANTAGE TO ONE IS A BURDEN TO ANOTHER. YOU HAVE TO BE CAUTIOUS.
>> IS DISPROPORTIONATELY IMPACTS THE COUNTIES IN THE MIDDLE OF THE STATE. THE ONE OF COASTAL PROPERTY, THEY GET - - PROPERTY TAXES THAT THE DECISIONS DO NOT
IMPACT THEM TO THE EXTREME. >> WE ARE IN THAT UNIQUE SITUATION - -. IF YOU REMEMBER WE WERE A SMALL COUNTY AND THERE WERERURAL GRANTS AND FUNDING .
THE BIGGER COUNTIES HAVE DIRECT ALLOCATIONS IN WE ARE IN THE MIDDLE WHERE WE DON'T GET THE DIRECT ALLOCATIONS BUT YOU ARE ALSO NOT A SMALL COUNTY SO YOU CAN TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE RURAL
OPPORTUNITIES EITHER. >> I THOUGHT YOU WERE SPEAKING
GEOGRAPHICALLY. >> VIA THE SMALL-CAP THE COALITION THAT IS PUT TOGETHER WHICH WE ARE STILL A MEMBER OF, WE PAY THE DUES LIKE AT NO BENEFIT OUT OF IT BUT THAT IS A WHOLE ANOTHER STORY. QUITE HONESTLY, IF YOU LOOK IN TERMS OF SALES TAX ON A PER CAPITA BASIS, THERE'S A LOT MORE MONEY THAT FLOWS THROUGH THEIR AND PARTIALLY IT IS BECAUSE OF BEING BY THE OCEAN AND BEING THE PROXIMITY OF THE SHORELINE AND THE COASTAL IMPACTS.
IT MAY HAVE TO BE THE MIDDLE COUNTIES WHERE WE BAND TOGETHER WITH THOSE FOLKS IN THE 18 TO 30 RANKINGS WHEN IT COMES TO
THE SIZES. >> OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS,
CONCERNS?>> MADAM CHAIR, REALLY CLICK ON THAT, I PRETTY SIMPLE FIVE THINGS WHERE THERE ARE MORE TRANSACTIONS THAT HAPPEN IN THOSE COUNTIES. FOR WHATEVER PARTICULAR REASONS.THAT IS WHY HOLISTICALLY, WE NEED TO HAVE A BALANCE ACROSS THE BOARD THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY WITH THESE HIGHER-PAYING JOBS AND THE COMPANIESTHAT ARE COMING IN . IT IS REALLY A TOUGH BALANCE TO NAVIGATE THROUGH. THE TEAM HAS DONE AFANTASTIC JOB PULLING THIS TOGETHER . REALLY IS THATBALANCE EACH YEAR THAT WE GO THROUGH . AND, THE NEW THINGS THAT WE NEED TO TACKLE. I THINK WE ARE ON A GOOD SLOPE AND TAKING DIRECTION FROM THE BOARD FOR THIS WORKSHOP TO YOUR
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PRIORITIES SO WE CAN ADJUST WHERE WE HAVE BEEN IN PREPARING THIS BUDGET YEAR UP TO THIS POINT.[4. Next Steps - Dates]
>> THE NEXT SLIDE IS JUST FOR CONVENIENCE, WE WILL SET THEN NEXT MAX MILLAGE RATE AT 5:05. TENTATIVE BUDGET HEARING SEPTEMBER 12 AND FINAL BUDGET HEARINGS SEPTEMBER 26.
THOSE ARE YOUR NEXT MEETINGS ON THE AGENDA.
THE BIGGEST THING I HEARD FROM THE BUDGET PERSPECTIVE IS LOOKING AT CODE ENFORCEMENT. ARE THERE ANY OTHER ITEMS THAT YOU WILL LIKE DISCUSSION ON OR THE BUDGET OFFICE TO LOOK ON TO
GET DIRECTION? >> ONE IS THE STUDY DO BACK IN TERMS OF THE DRAINAGE? WILL THAT BE BACK IN TIME FOR
US TO ALLOCATE THE MONEY? >> NOT UNTIL NEXT YEAR.
>> I THOUGHT - - WAS COMING BACK BEFORE THAT.
ARE WE GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO SOMETHING WITH THAT BEFORE?
>> YES, MA'AM, SHED ROAD IS COMPLETED AND WILL BE COMPLETED SOONER. THERE ARE SOME DECISIONS TO BE MADE . WE ARE SPENDING A LOT OF MONEY ON A PARALLEL ROAD TO GET AND THERE ARE SOME BIG HIGH-LEVEL
DECISIONS THAT CAN TAKE PLACE. >> THAT WILL BE BACK IN TIMES
FOR THIS BUDGET? >> I DON'T KNOW IF IT WILL BE BACK IN TIME FOR OCTOBER BUT POSSIBLY.
>> WE WILL TAKE A LOOK AT IT. WE HAVE TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AND WHAT THE PROPOSAL WILL BE. THE PARALLEL ROAD IS A TRANSPORTATION PROJECT THAT GOES ALONG THERE, BUT THE SIGNIFICANT IMPACT DUE TO FLOODING IN THAT AREA WITH IT BEING A DIRT ROAD AND ALL THAT, IT WILL BE ON AUGUST 1 AT THE
CIP. >> THE ATONEMENT IT CAN BE
DONE. >> THAT WILL BASICALLY BE A ROUTES THAT CAN BE USED TO BECOME A MORE LOCAL ROAD THE
RESIDENCE. >> WE WILL DISCUSS A TOWN HALL
THERE WILL BE DISCUSSION BEFORE WE TAKE IT TO SAY WE ARE GOING
ESPECIALLY SINCE WE DO NOT OWN ALL OF IT, CORRECT?
>> WE OWN THE PART THAT IS CREATED.
>> WHAT WE MAINTAIN WE OWN WHICH IS 20 TO 30 FEET WIDE.
WE NEED 60 FEET WIDE FOR THE FULL DIRT ROAD.
WITH DITCH, DRAINAGE AND PROPER SHOULDERS AND SAFETY.
THAT WOULD BE THE FIRST STEP, DECIDE WHAT WE ARE GOING TO DO THE SECOND STEP IS PROPERTY ACQUISITION.
>> I AM NOT SAYING THAT THOSE PEOPLE ARE NOT IMPORTANT, BUT I HAVE A TON OF DIRT ROADS THAT ARE NOT IN GREAT SHAPE THAT HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE LIVING ON THEM TOO.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE INFORMATION AND HOW MUCH MONEY
IT IS TOUGH TO MAKE A DECISION WHEN YOU DO NOT HAVE CONTROL OF THE PROPERTY. THAT IS AN IMPORTANT ASPECT OF
IT. >> IT IS NOT JUST ADD SHED ROA , IS THE OUTLYING AREA AROUND IT, THE WATER COMING FROM ONE
DIRECTION TO THE OTHER. >> WE LOOKED AT THE FEMA NUMBERS THAT WE ARE REVISING NOW WITH OUR LOCAL CONSULTANT.
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>> RICHARD, IS THERE AN ESTIMATE, HYPOTHETICAL BUDGETARY ESTIMATES BEGIN AFTER AUGUST 1?
>> MAYBE. >> I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE
THAT WE HAVE A NUMBER. >> IS IT PAVING THE ROAD,
IMPROVING IT OR GOING IN? >> ONE OF THE THINGS YOU LEARN TO THE TRANSPORTATION IS PEOPLE THINK THEIR LAND IS WORTH A LO
. >> SORRY, NOT CLEAR, WHERE ARE WE GOING TO BE IN AUGUST? WILL WE HAVE OPTIONS TO MAKE DECISIONS SO WE CAN INCLUDE IT IN THE CIP?
>> THERE ARE 21 PROPERTY OWNER THAT IT AFFECTS .
>> THAT'S AN ANSWER TOO. WE NEED TO GIVE PEOPLE AN ANSWER THAT WE BEEN WORKING THERE, IT SEEMS LIKE IT STARTED BACK WHEN THE COUNTY DECIDED TO MAKE IT A DIRT ROAD AS OPPOSED TO A BRIDGE AND ALL THAT WATER GETS JAMMED UP AND USING BEAVERS AND ALL KINDS OF THING .
ALSO, THE RELIEF FACTOR THAT THERE ARE THINGS WE CAN FIX THIS YEAR IN TERMS OF DRAINAGE THAT LOOKS GOOD DO IT.
IT'S NOT GETTING ANY BETTER DRAINAGE WISE, WE ARE TO LOOK AT THE RAINSTORMS WE ARE HAVING ALL THE WAY ACROSS THE COUNTRY AND THAT IS WHAT WE ARE FACING. LOOK AT VERMONT, VERMONT HAS MORE WATER THAN THEY KNOW WHAT TO DO WITH DO NOT EVEN CALLING IT A 500 YEAR STORM, THEY ARE CALLING IT A 1000 YEAR STORM.
RECORD HIGH TEMPERATURES OF WATER ON THE STATE AND ON THE OCEANS, NOT GOOD WHEN YOU HAVE A TROPICAL SYSTEM THAT GOES THROUGH THEIR. MY THOUGHT IS IF THERE ARE THINGS WE CAN DO THIS YEAR, LET'S IDENTIFY THOSE AND MAKE
SOME DECISIONS. >> WE ARE SPENDING A LOT OF MONEY TO CONNECT U.S. 17 TO THE NEW EXPRESSWAY WHICH IS A PARALLEL ROUTE. A HISTORY BUFF CAME IN AND SAID THAT WAS THE ROUTE OF THE SHED ROAD IN THE 1940S THAT TOOK A SHARP, HARD RIGHT TURN THEIR. WE DON'T NEED TWO OF THOSE THE BIG ISSUE IS TO THOSE CONSTITUENTS OUR RESIDENTS REMAIN A CUT THROUGH ROAD THAT IS UPGRADED? THEN IT WILL BE A SIGNIFICANT TRAFFIC, A LOT OF SPEED.
IT WON'T BE A RESIDENTIAL DIRT ROAD OUT FRONT.
AND, WE ARE BUILDING THAT WITH THE CATHEDRAL PARKWAY.
SCOPES NEED TO BE LOOKED AT. THOSE SHED ROAD BECOME A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD CUL-DE-SAC FOR THOSE PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE? THEY ARE ROUTE OUT IS THE
RIVERS 20 PARKWAY. >> MADAM CHAIR, IF I MAY, BETWEEN NOW AND THE LAST BCC MEETING IN JULY FEAR WHICH IS JULY 25, PERHAPS WE WILL HAVE A SIDEBAR WITH COMMISSIONER BURKE AND LET HER KNOW WHAT THESE COURSES OF ACTION ARE AND THESE OPTIONS ARE. I THINK RICHARD IS ALLUDING TO THIS, DOESN'T SHED ROAD REMAIN AS A CUT THROUGH? IT'S ULTIMATELY THE BIG DECISION THATNEEDS TO BE MADE .
IT'S NOT QUITE AS EASY TO SAY THAT WE HAVE A DOLLAR AMOUNT BY AUGUST 1? IT WILL CHANGE THE TOPOGRAPHY AND THE ROUTE OF TRAFFIC, IT WILL CHANGE WHAT IS GOING ON IN THAT WHOLE ENTIRE AREA. THE OTHER ASPECT IS THE FLOW OF WATER ITSELF. WE WILL KNOW WHERE THE ELEVATIONS ARE, WITHOUT WATER RUNOFF IS GOING TO GO AND THINGS LIKE THAT. ON A TEMPORARY BASIS, WE HAVE ADDRESSED THOSE AREAS IN HANDLING THE PIPE THAT WENT
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THROUGH THEIR TO ALLOW THE WATER TO CROSS NORTH TO SOUTH IN ITS NATURAL FORM AND EVENTUALLY CROSS 17 AND OUT TO THE RIVER. I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF PLANNING, MAYBE THERE CAN BE AN OPEN DISCUSSION ON THE 25TH PRIOR TO THE AUGUST 1 AND BY THE TIME AUGUST 1 COMES WE WILL HAVE BETTER GUIDANCE ON HOW TO HANDLE THE CIP PORTION.>> IF WE ARE LOOKING AT THE WHOLE PICTURE, ARE WE ALSO GOING TO HAVE THE DIRT ROAD STUDY PRESENTATION BEFORE THEM?
>> ONE OTHER THING ON SHED ROAD TO BRING UP, THERE'S ANOTHER TENTACLE THERE. THE ONE UNDEVELOPED PARCEL THE ROAD GOES THROUGH WHERE THE MINOR MAJOR DRAINAGE FLOW IS.
ST. JOHN'S WATER DISTRICT IS WORKING WITH US ON THAT AND SEEING THAT AS A POSSIBLE ACQUISITION FOR WETLANDS
PRESERVATION. >> WHERE IS THAT?
>> THORSON TRACK, IS THE PROPERTY OWNER.
THE PEACE BETWEEN WILLOW SPRINGS DEVELOPMENT AND THE LAST DEVELOPED PARCEL ON SHED ROAD.
THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS MOVING IN THAT AREA WHERE YOU NEED TO COACH US ON WHICH WAY YOU NEED TO HEAD.
>> HOW FAST CAN WE HAVE A TOWN HALL?
>> I CAN HAVE THE JONES ADMIN CONSULTANT, THEY ARE READY.
>> THE DIRT ROAD STUDY IS A SCHEDULING DEAL.
>> IS A PART OF THE OVERALL PICTURE SHED ROAD IS MENTIONED
IN THE DIRT ROAD STUDY. >> IT SHED ROAD WAS A ROAD THAT WE OWNED WHERE THERE WAS PROPER RIGHT-OF-WAY, IT WOULD RANK VERY HIGH. AS IT IS, THAT'S A VERY CIVILIAN RESTRICTION IN THE WAY THAT RANKINGS ON THE DIRT ROAD STUDY WAS. THAT IS AN IMPORTANT ASPECT.
[COMMISSIONERS' COMMENTS]
>> THANK YOU RICHARD. >> ANYTHING ELSE?
>> I ONE FINAL COMMENT. I WANT TO EXPRESS MY APPRECIATION TO THE COMMISSION ANDTHE STAFF .
SHERIFF, SUPERVISOR OF ELECTION, PROPERTY APPRAISER AS WELL AS CLERK FOR CREATING THIS RUBIK'S CUBE THAT WE HAVE TO DEAL THROUGH. I THINK EVERYONE OF THE CONSTITUTIONS, WE ARE LOOKING OUT TO THE FUTURE AND TRYING TO TAKE CARE OF IS NOT ONLY TODAY BUT FIVE, 10, 15 YEARS FROM NOW. I WANT TO EXPRESS MY
APPRECIATION. >> I HAD - - I THINK COMMISSIONER - - SAID AT OUR PAST MEETINGS BELIEVE ALL SHARE THE SENTIMENT, WE CERTAINLY DON'T THROW ILL WILL TOWARDS PREVIOUSCOMMISSIONS . WE ARE HAVING TO FEEL LIKE WE HAVE TO PLAY CATCH UP A LITTLE BIT.
THERE ARE A LOT OF DECISIONS TO BE MADE WITH NOT A LOT OF EXTRA RESOURCE, SO I APPRECIATE EVERYONE WORKING TOGETHER.
ANYTHING IS FOR THE GOOD OF THE
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.