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HAS ANYBODY HEARD FROM KARLA LATELY?
>> I HAVE BY EMAIL SHE JUST HAD SOMETHING SCHEDULED THIS WEEK.
SHE IS INTERESTED ONCE IT GETS TO THE DISCUSSION.
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THE FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA THAT IS BEEN PREPARED FOR US IS TO REVIEW AND ACCEPT OR AMEND THE MINUTES FROM THE APRIL 6TH MEETING. HAS EVERYBODY HAD A LOOK AT
>> RANDY HARRIS.CHAIR: DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY COMMENTS OF
ANYTHING MISSING? >> I WANTED TO CORRECT THE LAST PARAGRAPH PAGE 204 UNDER THE MINUTES.
AND I JUST REWROTE PART OF IT TO STATE IT CORRECTLY SHOULD I READ
THAT? >> RANDY HARRIS.CHAIR: YES,
PLEASE. >> THE LAST PARAGRAPH STARTS WITH CHAIRMAN CASELLA AND I HAVE REPLACED FORMER STUDENTS OR OTHERS WITH MEMORY OF THE COLORED SCHOOLS THEY ARE WILLING TO SHARE. TELL THEM ABOUT THIS PROJECT.
PERSONAL RECOLLECTIONS ARE NEEDED TO HELP FILL IN FOR THE MISSING PUBLIC RECORDS. APART FROM SCHOOL BOARD MINUTES AND A FEW MAINTENANCE REPORTS HELD IN THE ARCHIVES ALL COUNTY SCHOOL RECORDS PRIOR TO 1995 HAVE BEEN DISCARDED.
>> RANDY HARRIS.CHAIR: OKAY. ACTUALLY THIS IS NOT THE LAST PART OF THE ENTIRE. IS THE SECTION DEALING WITH
>> ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION OF THE PROPOSED CHANGE OR AMENDMENTS
EVERYBODY FINE WITH THAT? >> I MOVE WE SHOULD ADD MARINES
COMMENTS TO THE MINUTES. >> RANDY HARRIS.CHAIR: AT THEM
>> RANDY HARRIS.CHAIR: IS THERE A SECOND? FURTHER DISCUSSION? OKAY IT HAS BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED THAT THE PROPOSED CHANGE BY MARINE BE INTO THE MINUTES FOR APRIL 6TH.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? I WILL BE CALLING THE QUESTION ALL IN FAVOR OF ADOPTING THAT CHANGE SAY AYE.
>> AYE. >> RANDY HARRIS.CHAIR: IT IS APPROVE SIGNIFIED BY SAYING AYE. VERY GOOD IT SEEMS TO BE UNANIMOUSLY ADOPTED. SOMEBODY HAS GOT TO.
>> SHOULD I WRITE IT DOWN? THANK YOU.
>> RANDY HARRIS.CHAIR: VERY GOOD.
IT WOULD BE GOOD TO HAVE TO MAKE EXTRA COPIES OF IT?
>> NOT THAT I BROUGHT ALONG. >> WE CAN READ ABOUT IT ACCUMULATED MINUTES. THAT ARE BEING KEPT HOPEFULLY FOR PROSPERITY. SUNSHINE LAW DISCUSSION.
ARE THERE ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WHO WANT TO OFFER ANY COMMENTS OR ACTUALLY MAYBE NEW BUSINESS.
ANYONE? LAW ENFORCEMENT FOLKS MAY HAVE IDEAS? TO OFFER? OKAY.
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>> MR. CHAIRMAN I WILL TAKE YOU THROUGH THE POWERPOINT AND THEN
QUESTIONS. >> RANDY HARRIS.CHAIR: GOOD,
GOOD. >> IT APPLIES TO ANY BOARD OR
COMMISSION OF ANY STATE AGENCY. >> COURTNEY GRIMM: ANY LOCAL GOVERNMENT WHICH IS STATE APPLIES TO ADVISORY BOARDS, THE POWERS ARE LIMITED: MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS.
THERE ARE THREE BASIC REQUIREMENTS OF THE SUNSHINE LAW. ALL MEETINGS HAVE TO BE PUBLICLY NOTICE. HAVE TO BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.
THEY MUST PROVIDE REASONABLE NOTICE OF THE MEETINGS.
AND THE MINUTES HAVE TO BE TAKEN AND MADE AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC. ONE IS THE LAW APPLICABLE? ALL MEETINGS ARE COVERED BY THE SUNSHINE LAW INCLUDING FORMAL MEETINGS WITH OR WITHOUT A QUORUM.
WORKSHOPS OR SUBCOMMITTEE MEETINGS.
INFORMAL GATHERINGS WHERE TWO OR MORE OF THE SAME COMMITTEE ARE TOGETHER TO DISCUSS SOME MATTER ON WHICH ACTION WILL BE TAKEN BY THE COMMITTEE ARE ALSO SUBJECT TO THE SUNSHINE LAW.
SOCIAL GATHERINGS. MATTERS THAT COME BEFORE THE COMMITTEE ARE DISCUSSED. COULD POTENTIALLY BE A VIOLATION OF SUNSHINE LAW. IF YOU WERE TO DO THAT AT A SOCIAL EVENT. ONE IS IT APPLICABLE? ALL COMMUNICATIONS BETWEEN COMMITTEE MEMBERS ARE CONSIDERED MEETINGS.
IF THE COMMUNICATIONS INVOLVES MATTERS WHICH COME BEFORE THE COMMITTEE INCLUDING WRITING, COMMENTS OR RESPONSES ARE GIVEN, NOTES, MEMOS, ETCETERA PHONE CONVERSATIONS, ELECTRONIC COMMUNICATION SUCH AS CHAT ROOMS, FACEBOOK, SOCIAL NETWORKING, WEBSITE COMMENTS, EMAILS.
VERBAL MESSAGES VIA LIAISON. YOU CANNOT ASK MESSAGES THROUGH ME. WHICH, YOU KNOW, WE ALSO NEED THIS REFRESHER ON IT. I WAS NOT FULLY AWARE OF THAT ONE. ANY OTHER TYPE OF COMMUNICATION.
AND THE CONSEQUENCES FOR VIOLATING THE SUNSHINE LAW.
ANY MEMBER OF THE BOARD OR COMMITTEE WHO KNOWINGLY VIOLATES THE SUNSHINE LAW IS GUILTY OF A MISDEMEANOR OF THE 2ND DEGREES AND MAY BE SUBJECT TO BOTH CRIMINAL AND CIVIL PENALTIES.
WITH THAT DO YOU HAVE ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS FOR COURTNEY?
>> RANDY HARRIS.CHAIR: VERY GOOD.
>> OR IF YOU WANT TO LOOK BACK I APOLOGIZE HAVING TO READ.
>> RANDY HARRIS.CHAIR: I HAVE HAD SOME FOR QUITE A WHILE.
>> I HAVE SOME AS WELL. GO AHEAD.
>> IT IS ALWAYS A BIT OF A PUZZLE HOW WE CAN ACCOMPLISH THE BUSINESS WITHIN THE COMPASS OF TIME ALLOTTED FOR EACH CALENDAR YEAR. WITH THESE VARIOUS RESTRICTIONS PARTICULARLY ANYTHING OTHER THAN THE MEETINGS WE HAVE HERE WHERE EVERYTHING IS RECORDED AUTOMATICALLY.
AND SO FORTH. TO WHAT DEGREE - FOR EXAMPLE THESE OTHER FORMS OF COMMUNICATIONS THAT ARE MENTIONED AS COUNTING AS MEETINGS.
HOW COULD WE MEMORIALIZE THOSE? IN SUCH A WAY THAT CONSTITUTES
BUSINESS? OR IS THAT IMPOSSIBLE? >> COURTNEY GRIMM: YOU HAVE TO EVERY MEETING THAT YOU WILL BE MAKING A DECISION ON.
IT HAS TO BE A PUBLIC MEETING. YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO DISCUSS THAT OUTSIDE OF YOUR PUBLIC MEETING.
>> YES. >> COURTNEY GRIMM: OUR COMMISSIONERS HAVE NOT APPROVED OF DOING ELECTRONIC.
IF YOU REMEMBER DURING COVID THE GOV. ALLOWED US TO DO A LOT OF MEETINGS VIA TEAMS. IT IS VERY HARD YOU TO ALLOW THE PUBLIC ACCESS. SO YOU HAVE TO PUBLISH IT, PUBLISH FOR THEM TO BE ABLE TO GET HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD.
AND IT IS DIFFICULT WITH PEOPLE INTERRUPTING AND US MUTING THEM.
JUST FROM A TECHNOLOGICAL CHALLENGE.
I AM NOT SAYING THAT IS SOMETHING IF YOU WANTED WE COULD EXPLORE WITH THE BOARD. BUT IT IS NOT SOMETHING THEY HAVE WANTED TO OPEN UP. BUT OTHERWISE YOU CAN'T EMAIL AMONG YOURSELVES ON ANYTHING THAT YOU ARE GOING TO BE DISCUSSING OR MAKING A DECISION ON.
BECAUSE YOU ARE ELIMINATING THE PUBLIC.
>> RANDY HARRIS.CHAIR: ONE OF THE THINGS THAT STRIKES ME AS A LITTLE STRANGE IS IT IS ANNOUNCED ON ALMOST EVERY COMMUNICATION FROM THE COMMISSIONERS OFFICE OR THE COUNTY IN GENERAL. THAT ANYTHING WE SEND BY WAY OF COMMUNICATION
IS A MATTER OF PUBLIC RECORD. >> CORRECT.
>> RANDY HARRIS.CH, CHAIR: SO IT THAT A LITTLE SKEWED?
>> BUT THE WHOLE PURPOSE IN FLORIDA IS TO BE OPEN AND PART
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OF THE SUNSHINE. >> RANDY HARRIS, CHAIR: YES.
>> AND MAKE THAT AVAILABLE. THIS IS THE FLORIDA LEGISLATURE MAKING THIS DECISION IT IS NOT MYSELF, IT IS NOT THAT IT IS NOT OUR COMMISSIONERS. THIS IS BY FLORIDA STATUTE SENT BY THE PEOPLE OF TALLAHASSEE THAT THIS IS THE WAY YOU ARE TO
OPERATE. >> RANDY HARRIS, CHAIR: IT IS INTERESTING THEY DO NOT APPLY THESE STRICTURES TO THEMSELVES.
>> WELL, THEY DO. >> RANDY HARRIS, CHAIR: DO THEY? [LAUGHTER] WELL, MAYBE WE WOULD ALL BE BETTER OFF IF EVERYONE WAS RESTRICTED IN THIS WAY.
BECAUSE THERE WOULD BE FEWER ILL CONSIDERED LAWS COMING OUT OF TALLAHASSEE. ANYWAY MAYBE I SHOULD NOT
MENTION THESE THINGS. >> NOT IF YOU WANT TO EVER RUN
FOR OFFICE. >> RANDY HARRIS, CHAIR: BASICALLY, EVEN THOUGH THEY CLASSIFY THESE OTHER FORMS OF COMMUNICATION. LIKE ONLINE AS MEETINGS.
THEY ARE AUTOMATICALLY FORBIDDEN MEETINGS?
>> IF YOU ARE GOING TO COMMUNICATE WITH ANY OF YOUR OTHER COMMITTEE MEMBERS ABOUT ANYTHING THAT WILL COME BEFORE THIS BOARD. IT IS ILLEGAL.
>> RANDY HARRIS, CHAIR: SUPPOSEDLY WE COULD DO THIS IF WE HAD A DECLARED MEETING ON SOME PROJECTS.
AS WELL AS IT IS PUBLIC. >> IF IT IS A WORKSHOP.
YOU CAN HAVE WORKSHOPS. >> IN A WORKSHOP ENVIRONMENT TO GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE. WE ARE GOING TO BE DISCUSSING THE BLUE ANGELS OR GRANITE FIELD MARKER.
AND WE WILL BE TALKING ABOUT THE REPORTAGE.
SO IT IS NOT LIKE WE ARE VOTING ON WHETHER OR NOT WE ARE GOING TO ALLOCATE FUNDS FOR THE MARKER.
WE'VE ALREADY MADE THAT DECISION.
THIS IS SENTENCE STRUCTURE. SO SOMETHING AS SIMPLE AS THAT, WE CANNOT JUST EMAIL EACH OTHER AND SAY?
>> NO YOU CANNOT HAVE A COMMUNICATION WITH EACH OTHER.
IF YOU HAVE SUGGESTIONS PERHAPS I SENT OUT THE LANGUAGE TO EACH OF YOU. AND YOU CAN RESPOND TO THAT WITH YOUR SUGGESTED EDITS. BETH CAN COME UP WITH A CONSOLIDATED VERSION THAT SHE WOULD THEN PRESENT TO YOU.
>> WE WERE AT A WORKSHOP OR A BOARD MEETING.
WE WERE THINKING WE COULD DO THAT.
AND THEN UNDER THE SECTION WHERE IT SAYS THERE WAS A LIAISON WHICH BETH WOULD BE THE LIAISON. WHEN IT THAT APPLIED THAT WE
COULD NOT DO THAT? >> COURTNEY GRIMM: NO SHE WOULD NOT BE RESPONDING RANDY SUGGESTED WE SUGGEST.
MARINE SUGGESTED. SHE WILL BE COLLECTING YOUR THOUGHTS SEPARATE. YOU WILL NOT BE REPLYING ALL SENDING THEM TO BETH TO BE REDLINED.
BETH WELL TAKEN PUT TOGETHER SOMETHING THAT SHE THINKS REPRESENTS A DIFFERENT COMMENT AND BE PRESENTING A NEW VERSION
TO YOU FOR CONSIDERATION. >> THAT IS HOW I THOUGHT WE COULD HAVE PROCEEDED AND THAT WOULD REALLY CUT DOWN ON THE AMOUNT OF TIME WE WOULD HAVE TO SPEND TONIGHT AS A GROUP.
SO WE DID NOT DO IT THAT WAY. >> IT CANNOT BE RESPONDING TO
EVERYBODY. >> I UNDERSTAND THAT.
ON ANOTHER POINT THEN WITH A WORKSHOP SCENARIO.
IF WE WERE ALL TO BE IN A ROOM IT WOULD NOT BE RECORDED - IT
WOULD? IT WOULD BE RECORDED? >> ONLY DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHY HE WOULD HAVE A WORKSHOP VERSUS WHY YOU WOULD HAVE A MEETING.
A WORKSHOP IS WHERE YOU GATHER IDEAS AND DISCUSS IT, CHAT ABOUT IT IN YOU DON'T MAKE A DECISION. YOU COME UP WITH A CONSENSUS.
TALKING ABOUT YOUR MARKER LANGUAGE.
YOU HAVE A DISCUSSION I WANT THIS INCLUDED ON THIS SITE OR I WANT THIS. THAT WOULD COLLECT ALL THE INFORMATION AND YOU WILL BASICALLY DIRECT STAFF TO GO BACK AND WRITE UP YOUR VERSION. WOULD YOU PLEASE PULL US TOGETHER ALL THIS INFORMATION? THEN BETH CAN BRING IT BACK TO YOU AND YOU WOULD ULTIMATELY MAKE A DECISION.
SO OUR BOARD USES WORKSHOPS MORE FOR ONE WE WANT THE PUBLIC TO PROVIDE INPUT. AND WHEN THE BOARD IS NOT SURE WHICH DIRECTION THEY WANT TO GO THEY WANT TO HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC. AND NOT TO MAKE A DECISION AT THAT MEETING. BUT BE ABLE TO HAVE STAFF PULL TOGETHER ADDITIONAL INFORMATION FOR THEM AND BRING IT BACK IN A
REGULAR MEETING. >> THANK YOU.
THAT CLARIFIES FOR ME. >> YOU CAN HAVE COMMITTEE MEETINGS. IF YOU HAVE A SUBCOMMITTEE YOU CAN HAVE A COMMITTEE MEETING. YOU NOTICE IT FOR THE PUBLIC.
THAT IS NOT HAVE TO BE RECORDED. BUT YOU WOULD STILL NOTICE IT YOU WOULD NEED SOMEBODY TO TAKE MINUTES OF IT.
>> SUBCOMMITTEES. >> YOU STILL HAVE TO NOTICE IT
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MAKE IT AVAILABLE FOR THE PUBLIC.>> OKAY, OKAY. THAT ANSWERS THE LOT OF
QUESTIONS FOR ME. >> THE ONES THAT FOLLOW OUR TOURIST DEVELOPMENT COUNCIL. THEY DO DO A LOT OF SUBCOMMITTEE MEETINGS BECAUSE THEY ARE WORKING ON GRANTS.
THEY HAVE A SECTION WORKING ON GRANT REPORTS.
SO THEY WILL DO THAT AND YOU COME BACK AND REPORT SBCOMMITTEE REPORTS. TO THE BIG BOARD.
>> BUT THEY TOO HAVE TO GET PUBLIC NOTICE OF THE MEETINGS?
>> YES. >> ANOTHER THING OCCURRED TO ME WHEN I WAS LOOKING THIS OVER. 'S IS - WHOOPS, WHERE DID IT GO REASONABLE NOTICE. AND WHAT IS REASONABLE NOTICE? HOW MUCH ADVANCED AND HOW DOES IT HAVE TO BE MADE KNOWN?
>> FOR US REASONABLE WE WOULD LIKE A WEEK.
HOWEVER THERE ARE SITUATIONS WHERE IT IS EASIER TO GIVE THE TOURIST DEVELOPMENT COUNCIL THEY SET THEIR MEETINGS FOR THE YEAR THEY PUT THE NOTICE OUT FOR THE YEAR.
AND THEY MAY HAVE WORKSHOPS OR SUBCOMMITTEE MEETINGS THAT HER PLAN. JUST PUT THEM AT THEIR.
HOWEVER, IF THERE IS AN INSTANCE FOR WHATEVER REASON YOU URGENTLY NEED YOUR SUBCOMMITTEE MEETING YOU CAN PERHAPS GO A LITTLE
LESS. >> RANDY HARRIS, CHAIR: WHAT IS THE CORRECT WAY TO DO THIS? DO WE NOTIFY, SAY BETH, THAT IT SHOULD BE PUT ON THE CALENDAR? WHO DO WE?
>> YOU AS A BOARD WILL MAKE THE DECISION IF YOU WANT TO HAVE A WORKSHOP OR A SUBCOMMITTEE MEETING.
BETH WOULD THROUGH STAFF. NOT ONLY PUT IT ON THE WEBSITE BUT USUALLY TO A PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT.
>> WHAT ABOUT LOCATION? WHERE CAN THEY MEET? DOES IT HAVE TO
BE HERE? >> FOR SUBCOMMITTEE, NO.
THE BOARD BECAUSE OF THE REPORTING AND THE WORKSHOPS YES.
>> IT HAS TO BE PUBLICLY ACCESSIBLE YOUR NOTIFYING THE PUBLIC THIS MEETING IS GOING ON. THE PUBLIC HAS TO ATTEND THIS.
>> COURTNEY GRIMM: I DO NOT KNOW IF THEY DO THE LIBRARY BUT THEY
DO A THRASH REPORT A LOT. >> RANDY HARRIS, CHAIR: ASSUMING WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE IT WAS ACCESSIBLE.
IF THE MEETING WERE HELD HERE THE SUBCOMMITTEE MEETING.
WE ASSUME IT WOULD BE RECORDED BY OUR TECHNICIAN?
>> COURTNEY GRIMM: NO, YOU DO NOT HAVE TO HAVE IT WITH OTHER CONFERENCE ROOMS THAT HAVE A SUBCOMMITTEE MEETING.
BUT THAT JUST HAS TO SCHEDULE IT.
>> RANDY HARRIS, CHAIR: THAT IS GOOD BUT IT WOULD BE COOL IF AUTOMATICALLY RECORDED. WE WOULD NOT HAVE TO HAVE SOME
PRESCRIBED. >> COURTNEY GRIMM: YOU CAN CERTAINLY TRY THAT IT IS DEALING WITH COUNTY RESOURCES.
IF THEY ARE AVAILABLE, IF ERIC IS NOT OFF ON ANOTHER PROJECT AND IS AVAILABLE TO SLOBODIN THAT IS CERTAINLY A POSSIBILITY.
>> AND SCHEDULE A TIME. >> RANDY HARRIS, CHAIR: FINDING OUT ABOUT THE AVAILABILITY OF STATE AND OTHER MEETING ROOM WITHIN THIS BUILDING. IS THAT PERMITTING TOO? TRYING
TO FIND OUT WHAT IT IS? >> COURTNEY GRIMM: JUST EMAIL
BETH. >> LET ME KNOW WHEN YOU WANT TO MEET I WILL SEE THAT IS AVAILABLE.
>> THEY HAVE OTHER ROOMS, CONFERENCE ROOMS.
>> RANDY HARRIS, CHAIR: THAT IS WHAT I AM SAYING.
HOW DO WE FIND OUT WHICH PARTICULAR ROOMS ARE AVAILABLE ON A PARTICULAR DAY? SO IT CAN BE DONE.
OKAY. >> I HAVE A FURTHER QUESTION ON THIS. IN WRITING OR EDITING A TEXT THAT IS ALREADY BEEN DEVELOPED. IT IS ONEROUS.
JOB FOR BETH TO ACCUMULATE ALL OF OUR RESPONSES AND THEN CREATE THEM INTO ONE COHESIVE TEXT FOR A MARKER.
WHICH IS WHY I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE EASIEST IF I SENT THE TEXT TO BETH WHICH I HAVE. AND THEN BETH CAN GET A RESPONSE FROM EVERYONE INDIVIDUALLY. JUST NOT ALL REPLY.
BUT ONLY REPLYING TO BETH. WITH THEIR INDIVIDUAL CHANGES.
AND BETH CAN BRING BACK TO THE COMMISSION OR TO THE COMMITTEE ALL THE CHANGES INCORPORATED INTO THE MARKER.
AND THEN WE CAN VOTE ON THOSE CHANGES.
IT WOULD MAKE SENSE TO ME THAT IT WOULD SAVE SO MUCH TIME.
BECAUSE IF WE JUST START ON THIS THIS EVENING WE COULD BE HERE
FOR HOURS. >> COURTNEY GRIMM: I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW YOU HAVE GOTTEN TO THIS POINT.
SO THE BOARD DIRECTIVES YOU? OR GIVE YOU THE ABILITY TO DROP
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>> COURTNEY GRIMM: YOU DRAFTED IT AFTER YOU ARE BRINGING IT
BACK TO THE BOARD. >> CORRECT.
>> COURTNEY GRIMM: PRIOR TO COMING YOU WANTED TO DISSEMINATE
THAT TO THE BOARD? >> I SENT IT TO BETH AND ALSO SENT HER A WORD DOCUMENT. BECAUSE WE WERE ALL UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT WE COULD NOT MAKE THOSE EDITS.
BECAUSE OF SUNSHINE. >> COURTNEY GRIMM: CORRECT.
THEY PREFERRED THANK YOU AT THE DIRECTION OF THE BOARD YOU DRAFTED - YOU MADE THE DRAFT AND SEND IT TO BETH.
BETH BUT IT ON THE AGENDA FOR DISCUSSION.
EGYPT YOU SHOULD HAVE REVIEWED THAT AND SHE SHOULD HAVE BROUGHT YOUR EDITS TO THIS MEETING TO DISCUSS.
>> THEY HAVE. >> COURTNEY GRIMM: THAT IS THE
CORRECT WAY TO MOVE FORWARD. >> WOULD IT NOT HAVE SAME TIME JUST FOR FUTURE? BECAUSE THAT IS A LOT OF WHAT WE DO WE HANDLE OUR MARKERS. SO WOULD SAVE TIME THEN IF WE COULD HAVE HAD ALL THOSE EDITS ALREADY MADE AND BACK INTO THE DOCUMENT? EDITED ALREADY? AND THEN WE COULD REVIEW IT AS A BODY. SPEED WE COULD PERHAPS.
>> I AM USING THIS AS AN EXAMPLE.
>> WE CAN PERHAPS FIND A WAY TO FACILITATE THAT BUT THEN THE PROBLEM WOULD BE IF YOU ALL HAVE EDITS TO THE SAME SENTENCE BETH WILL PICK WHAT SHE PREFERS, RIGHT? AND YOU WILL NOT KNOW WHO
THE EDITS CAME FROM. >> THAT IS GENERALLY WHAT I THINK THE SUNSHINE LAW WORKS. IN THE PAST AT LEAST I STARTED STAFFING THIS COMMITTEE. THEY WOULD SIT AT THE TABLE AND DISCUSS THE LANGUAGE FOR THE MARKER.
AND WHOEVER WAS CHAMPION. OBVIOUSLY YOU DID.
>> WAS THAT IN A WORKSHOP? >> I ASSUME YOU'RE THE ONE MAKING THE CHANGES. YET THE LANGUAGE.
>> AND THEY WOULD VOTE ON WHETHER THEY LIKED THE PROPOSED CHANGE QUICK THEY DIDN'T ULTIMATELY? ADOPT THE CAME
AROUND TO A FINAL VOTE ON IT. >> RANDY HARRIS, CHAIR: THEY DID BUT THERE WAS BACK AND FORTH ALONG THE WAY.
>> COURTNEY GRIMM: WHAT YOU CAN DO, YOU CAN SUBMIT YOUR VERSION WHICH GOES ON THE AGENDA. OKAY? THEN SEPARATELY ASSUMING YOU ALL LOOK AT YOUR AGENDA. YOU CAN SEND COMMENTS TO BETH WITHOUT COPYING EACH OTHER. THAT CAN COME TO THIS MEETING
WITH A STAFF VERSION. >> IF THERE ARE MULTIPLE CHANGES TO ONE SECTION I DO ONE IN BLUE, ONE IN GREEN.
NUMBER THEM, WHATEVER. >> COURTNEY GRIMM: MY CONCERN IS IDENTIFIED WHO NEEDS TO CHANGE. MARINE MAY SAY I PREFER SENATE SUCH AND SUCH BECAUSE THAT IS MY EDIT.
AND IT IS THE TIME FOR YOU TO BRING THEM ALL TOGETHER AND IDENTIFIED THEM. SO YOU ARE NOT DOING BUSINESS OUT OF THE SUNSHINE. BUT I THINK WE COULD FACILITATE THAT IF THAT IS HOW YOU WANT TO HANDLE IT.
>> I THINK JUST AS A GROUP NOBODY HERE HAS PREJUDICED ON WHO HAD THE NOTATION. BECAUSE WE ARE ALL HERE WORKING FOR THE SAME PURPOSE. AND SO IT IS REALLY JUST COMING TO FIND A WAY TO HANDLE SOMETHING LIKE THIS IN THE MOST TIME EFFICIENT WAY. AND THANK YOU.
>> LEAVE IT TO YOU HE JUST HALF TO REMEMBER.
WE ARE NOT THE ONES VIOLATING IT IS YOU.
WE ARE NOT ELECTED SO IT IS YOU. YET TO FIGURE WHERE CROSSES.
THAT IS FOR YOU THE PUBLIC PERCEPTION.
OKAY? I WHETHER YOU ARE DOING BUSINESS OUTSIDE OF THE
SUNSHINE. >> AND I THINK SOMETHING LIKE THIS WHERE WE ARE NOT INDIVIDUALLY EMAILING EACH OTHER. BUT EVERYTHING IS GOING TO BETH.
SHE IS REALLY NOT SERVING SO MUCH AS A LIAISON SHE IS JUST MAKING THE EDITS OF EACH INDIVIDUAL PERSON.
AND I DO LIKE THE IDEA OF HAVING DIFFERENT COLORS WE NOTE THERE
ARE THREE DIFFERENT. >> COURTNEY GRIMM: THAT CAUSES ME A LITTLE BIT OF CONCERN BECAUSE YOU ARE TAKING AND
COMPILING EVERYONE'S COMMENTS. >> RANDY HARRIS, CHAIR: PUT IT
IN THE ALTERNATIVES. >> ARE YOU SAYING TAKE A DOCUMENT. AND SAY OKAY, TO SECTION A WE
HAVE THE SUGGESTION? >> COURTNEY GRIMM: NO.
I AM SAYING YOU TAKE WHAT THEY HAVE EMAILED YOU.
AND YOU AS AN EDITOR DECIDE HOW THEIR COMMENTS WORK AND
PRESENTED THAT WAY. >> AND SOME THINGS, COURTNEY, ARE PUNCTUATION. OR, YOU KNOW, SHOULD I USE A;
VERSUS A:. >> COURTNEY GRIMM: OR A
DIFFERENT WORD CHOICE. >> OR A DIFFERENT WORD.
SO I DON'T WE WOULD BE VIOLATING SUNSHINE LAW WITH SOMETHING.
THAT IS NOT THE INTENTION HERE. THE INTENTION IS TO MOVE THIS
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FORWARD A LITTLE BIT. AND IT IS NOT JUST FOR THIS ITEM. IT IS ANYTHING WE WOULD HAVE.>> COURTNEY GRIMM: AND ONCE IT IS POSTED ON THE AGENDA THE
PUBLIC CAN PROVIDE COMMENT. >> RANDY HARRIS, CHAIR: HAS THE COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE OR GENERAL COUNSEL, OR WHATEVER WE GO BY. EVER SUPPORTED AMENDMENTS TO THE SUNSHINE LAW TO MAKE IT MORE WORKABLE?
>> COURTNEY GRIMM: YOU MEAN WHAT THE STATE LEGISLATURE?
>> RANDY HARRIS, CHAIR: YES. IF THEY WERE AND THEY MADE SENSE
WOULD YOU RECOMMEND THEM? >> COURTNEY GRIMM: IT WOULD NOT BE MY POSITION UP TO THE COMMISSIONERS.
>> RANDY HARRIS, CHAIR: OF COURSE.
THEY WOULD PROBABLY CONSIDER YOUR OPINIONS TO HAVE CONSIDERABLE WEIGHT SINCE THEY RELY ON THEM.
THE LAWYERS BEFORE MAKING IMPORTANT MOVES.
>> I DO THINK THIS OPTION IS A GOOD OPTION FOR THIS PARTICULAR
TYPE OF SITUATION ANYWAY. >> RANDY HARRIS, CHAIR: YES, IT MAY TAKE YEARS BEFORE THEY CHANGE THE LAW.
>> FOR THE BLUE ANGELS MARKER TO EDIT.
THANK YOU. >> I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A SUGGESTION SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT THAN THAT.
IF WE HAVE ALL READ AND EDITED THE TEXT THAT WE RECEIVED THROUGH THE MINUTES. FROM BETH.
WOULD IT BE ALL RIGHT FOR US TO SEND OUR WRITTEN TEXT TO THAT.
BETH SIMPLY REMOVES AND ANY IDENTIFIERS THAT WE COULD TELL WHERE THE TEXT ORIGINATED FROM. BECAUSE IT IS NOT ONLY A MATTER OF EDITING IT IS A MATTER OF SUBJECT EXPERTISE.
AND WE DON'T NECESSARILY KNOW THAT. IF SHE WERE ABLE TO RECEIVE IT SHE MAY BE ABLE TO COORDINATE THAT MORE EASILY AND SEAMLESSLY THEN BETH WHO WOULD BE ADDING THAT TO HER OTHER
DUTIES. >> COURTNEY GRIMM: IT IS THIS LIAISON BUT IT IS STILL COMING BACK TO THIS BOARD. THE FINAL VERSION THAT BETH WOULD BE COLLABORATING AND PUTTING ON ONE DOCUMENT. IT WILL STILL COME BACK TO THE BOARD WOULD THEN BE DISCUSSING AND EDITED VERSION INSTEAD OF DISCUSSING THE FIRST
DRAFT. >> COURTNEY GRIMM: OR YOU CAN SUBMIT ALL YOUR COMMENTS BACK AND THAT CAN ADD THEM.
>> RANDY HARRIS, CHAIR: THIS IS ONE, THIS IS ANOTHER. WHAT COULD IT BE DONE IF YOU HAVE A PARAGRAPH. SAY YOU SENT A PARAGRAPH TO BETH AND WE ALL LOOKED AT IT. LIKE WITH THE CROSS OUT, CROSS OUT THE, WE DO NOT SEE THAT UNTIL THE MEETING.
LET'S SAY THE POWERPOINT IS A CROSS OUT OF THE THE AND WE VOTE ON EACH ONE. DO YOU WANT THIS CROSSED OUT AND WE SAY AYE
FOR EACH RULE. >> ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT TEXT
CHANGES IN WORD? >> I AM TRYING TO THINK OF A WAY TO DO IT. LET'S SAY I WANTED TO CROSS OUT THE AND YOU WANTED TO CROSS OUT THERE ANY OF THE ORIGINAL DOCUMENT. IT IS LIKE IN THE SAME SENTENCE YOU SHOW IN THE POWERPOINT ON THE DAY OF THE MEETING AND WE LOOK AT IT.
>> I HAVE A WORD VERSION OF IT. IF YOU WANTED TO ACTIVELY EDIT WE COULD DO THAT IN REAL TIME RIGHT NOW.
>> BUT IF PRIOR - WE DO IT BEFORE HAND ON OUR OWN WE JUST VOTE ON IT HERE THAT IS ALL. LIKE WE SEND QUICK THAT IS WHAT COURTNEY IS SAYING IT HAS TO BE SENT TO ME SOMEHOW AND TO PUT IT IN A DOCUMENT AND YOU WOULD PUT IN PRINT WE CAN PUT IT STRAIGHT THROUGH AND UNDERLINE I SHOW IT STRICTER AND UNDERLINE SO YOU CAN SEE THE CHANGES FROM THE PREVIOUS ORIGINAL DOCUMENT. YOU WOULD NOT SEE WHO CONTRIBUTED IT BUT YOU WOULD SEE THE CHANGES.
>> RANDY HARRIS, CHAIR: I STARTED TO DO THAT BUT I DO NOT KNOW IF I SHOULD KEEP GOING SO FAR BEFORE WE HAVE THIS
DISCUSSION. >> JERRY, SINCE WE THINK THAT IS THE NEXT ITEM ON OUR AGENDA THAT WE COULD MAKE A MOTION THAT IS HOW WE WILL HANDLE IT SO WE DON'T GO THROUGH THIS TONIGHT AND WE SEND EVERYTHING TO BETH WITH EVERYONE'S CHANGES THAT
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THEY HAVE MADE THEM NOW? YOU CAN EMAIL THEM TO BETH?>> I AM HALFWAY THROUGH IT. >> I WANT TO BRING UP SOMETHING SHE SAID WE COULD DO SUBCOMMITTEES.
YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE BEEN HEADING UP THE BLUE ANGELS THING.
WHY COULDN'T WE JUST HAVE YOU AND A COUPLE OTHERS WORK ON THIS TEXT. YOU ALL COME UP WITH YOUR BEST TEXT BRING IT BACK TO THE BOARD. THE SAME THING WITH RANDY HERE AND SLIM WHITMAN. SINCE HE HAS BEEN HEADING THAT UP. HIM AND A COUPLE OF US WORK ON THAT.
THEY DO IT BASED ON A PROJECT BASIS. THAT WAY YOU GET THE EXPERTISE ON THE SUBJECT MATTER. BUT YET YOU'RE NOT TAKING UP THE
WHOLE COMMITTEE'S TIME. >> CORRECT.
>> AND YOU WOULD BE GETTING - HOW MANY OF US ARE ON THE BOARD?
>> EIGHT. >> IF YOU HAD THREE OR FOUR OF US IN THE SUBCOMMITTEE THEN YOU WILL BE GETTING THE MAJORITY OF THE BOARD IMPACT ON THE TEXT AND THEN THE OTHER ONE - YOU KNOW.
IT SEEMS LIKE THAT MIGHT BE A BETTER WORKAROUND OR WORK
SOLUTION TO ME. >> I HAVE IN MY RESEARCH GONE TO OTHER DEPARTMENT HEADS WITHIN CLICK COUNTY. AND WE HAVE MET SO THAT I GET UP TO SPEED ON WHAT ALL OF THIS IS. AND COMMISSIONER GARY HAS BEEN VERY HELPFUL AND MARY GASTINO, AND SEVERAL OTHER PEOPLE. SO IT IS NOT JUST M MYSELF.
>> I AM JUST SAYING THIS TEXT. YOU AND SAY THREE OTHERS HAVE WORKED ON IT. WHEN YOU BROUGHT IT TO THE BOARD ALREADY HAVE THE BOARD WOULD'VE HAD THE IMPACT. IT WOULD BE THE ONLY OTHER HAVE
WHO WOULD HAVE TO SUBMIT. >> I THINK IT IS A GREAT IDEA.
>> IT IS AN EXCELLENT IDEA. I THINK PART OF THE ISSUE IS WE JUST DID NOT HAVE A FULL BOARD. WE DID NOT HAVE ENOUGH PLAYERS, BASICALLY. AND SO IT WOULD HAVE BEEN THE ENTIRE BOARD ANYWAY TO MAKE A SUBCOMMITTEE. AND NOW, THANK YOU FOR STEPPING UP. BECAUSE OF THAT WE CAN DO THAT.
I THINK IT IS A GREAT IDEA. >> JERRY CASALE, VICE PRESIDENT: BUT THE RESTRICTIONS ON THIS LOT AS IT IS INTERPRETED WOULD MAKE IT EVEN DIFFICULT TO GET TOGETHER TO SET A DATE FOR A
COMMITTEE MEETING. >> NO, NOT AT ALL.
>> WE CAN DO IT TONIGHT. >> YES, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE HERE
WHEN WE ARE ALL TOGETHER. >> JUST THE SUBCOMMITTEE. AND HAVE TO DECIDE ON WHERE AND WHEN.
>> WOULD HAVE TO DECIDE WHO WOULD BE ON THE SUBCOMMITTEE BUT THAT IS GETTING INTO OUR AGENDA. AND I THINK WE CAN PROBABLY LET
COURTNEY OFF THE HOOK. IT'S. >> I JUST HAD ONE OTHER QU QUESTION. A NUMBER OF YOU WORK IN THE MUSEUM. FOR CLARIFICATION I DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S ANY DISCUSSION OF COUNTY COMMITTEE MEETING, STAFF, INFORMATION. BUT IT IS OKAY FOR YOU TO WORK IN THE MUSEUM PROVIDED YOU ARE NOT DISCUSSING ANY BOARD INFO INFORMATION, CORRECT? IT IS A LONG DAY.
>> COURTNEY GRIMM: JUST INCLINED TO GO OUT TO DINNER TOGETHER AND WE ENCOURAGE PEOPLE NOT TO DO THAT. IT IS ODD BECAUSE SOME PEOPLE JOIN THE BOARD FOR FRIENDSHIPS. AND IT IS JUST THE PERCEPTION. IN THREE OR FOUR OF YOU ARE SEEN SUMMER EATING TOGETHER THE NECK TO BE PERCEIVED YOU ARE POTENTIALLY NOT JUST TALKING ABOUT THE WEATHER.
OR THAT YOU COULD BE TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING COMING BEFORE YOU. WE JUST CAUTIONED YOU.
>> YOU WILL NOT TALK ABOUT THE DECEMBER MEETING.
>> I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS ACTUALLY.
ONE, IT IS OKAY TO CONTACT BETH FOR INFORMATION OR GUIDELINES PERTAINING TO WHATEVER PROJECT IS GOING ON?
>> COURTNEY GRIMM: YES. >> JERRY CASALE, VICE PRESIDENT: EVEN IF DOING IT FOR A NEFARIOUS PURPOSE?
>> YOU CANNOT DO THAT. >> SECONDLY IT SAYS SUNSHINE LAWS APPLY TO FORMAL MEETINGS WITH OR WITHOUT A QUORUM
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SUBCOMMITTEE AND STUFF LIKE THAT.WHAT ALL DOES THIS APPLY TO? DOES IT APPLY TO HOMEOWNERS
ASSOCIATION? >> COURTNEY GRIMM: THAT IS NOT A
GOVERNMENTAL ENTITY. >> WHAT ABOUT THE CLICK COUNTY
HISTORICAL SOCIETY? >> COURTNEY GRIMM: NOT UNLESS IT WAS SET UP AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS SET UP BY A GOVERNMENT
ENTITY. >> I AM MAKING SURE I DON'T WANT TO BE ARRESTED OR ANYTHING. THANK YOU SO MUCH APPRECIATE IT.
>> JERRY AND I TALKED ABOUT THE WEATHER.
>> AND BOCCE, SOMETHING I HAVE NEVER PLAYED.
>> WHAT WERE YOU SAYING ABOUT THE HISTORICAL SOCIETY IF YOU'RE
PART OF IT AS WELL? >> JERRY CASALE, VICE PRESIDENT: YES IT IS NOT A GOVERNMENT ORGANIZATION IT IS A PRIVATELY
IT IS A CORPORATION. >> IT IS OKAY TO BE PART OF BOTH
OF THOSE AT THE SAME TIME? >> AND THOSE MEETINGS ARE IN THE
PUBLIC. >> COURTNEY GRIMM: THEY ARE NOT
GOVERNED BY THE SUNSHINE LAW. >> WITH OUR EMAILS.
ARE ALL MY EMAILS FROM MY EMAIL FOR THIS MADE PUBLIC? FROM THE
BOARD? >> COURTNEY GRIMM: DO YOU USE YOUR PERSONAL EMAIL OR A COUNTY EMAIL?
>> WE STRUGGLED WITH GETTING THE COUNTY EMAILS THEY ARE STILL NOT SET UP RIGHT. I EMAILED THE PERSONAL.
>> COURTNEY GRIMM: JUST BE AWARE WHEN YOU DO NOT USE THE COUNTY EMAIL AND YOU USE YOUR PERSONAL. IF THERE EVER SHOULD BE AN ISSUE IT COULD FADE INTO YOUR PERSONAL.
I KNOW MOST OF US DON'T USE - WE WOULD NOT SAY THERE'S ANYTHING THE PUBLIC COULD NOT HAVE. THAT IS WHY WE HAVE TWO PHONES WE HAVE A PERSONAL PHONE AND THE GOVERNMENT PHONE.
IF THEY EVER GET YOUR EMAIL STRAIGHT FOR COUNTY I WOULD USE THAT. I AM NOT TELLING YOU THAT IT WOULD DEFINITELY FADE INTO YOUR PERSONAL IF THERE WAS SOMETHING SOME ISSUE THAT CAME UP YOU VIOLATED SOMETHING.
AND THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE AND THE STATE ATTORNEY TOOK YOUR PHONE.
THEY WILL SEPARATE OUT YOUR PERSONAL INFORMATION AS LONG AS IT IS NOT CONNECTED TO WHATEVER YOU MAY ALLEGED DID WRONG.
>> AND THEY TAKE YOUR PHONE YOUR BIGGER PROBLEMS.
>> JERRY CASALE, VICE PRESIDENT: THAT IS FUNNY THE FORM I HAVE IN MIND TO CHANGE THE LAW. IT AS A MATTER OF REGULATION YOUR COMMUNICATIONS WITH THE COUNTY GOVERNMENT IN ANY WAY IS PART OF THE PUBLIC RECORD. THAT YOU CITE WITH EVERY LETTER.
THAN THAT SHOULD BE MADE AUTOMATICALLY AVAILABLE IN SOME FORMAT BY THE COUNTY TO THE PUBLIC.
IF ANYBODY WANTS TO KNOW. >> COURTNEY GRIMM: IT IS.
>> THAT WE DISCUSSED. >> COURTNEY GRIMM: IF YOU ARE ALL USING YOUR OWN PRIVATE EMAIL OR GMAIL ACCOUNT YOU HAVE A DUTY TO MAINTAIN THOSE RECORDS. SO THAT IS ONE REASON WE LIKE TO HAVE COUNTY EMAIL ADDRESSES BECAUSE THEY ARE ALL ARCHIVED.
EVEN IF YOU WERE TO DELETE THEM THEY ARE SAFE.
SO AS A PUBLIC MEMBER. JUST BE DELETING.
>> JERRY CASALE, VICE PRESIDENT: I THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL THEREFORE IF WE PROPOSE TO THE STATE THAT THEY AMENDED TO SAY THESE KINDS OF THINGS REPRESENT PUBLIC NOTICE.
BECAUSE THEY ARE AVAILABLE OR SHOULD BE TO THE PUBLIC TO
REVIEW IF THEY WANT. >> COURTNEY GRIMM: I THINK THAT IS CLEAR UNDER THE LAW THAT THEY ARE AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC.
>> JERRY CASALE, VICE PRESIDENT: THEY SHOULD NOBE FORBIDDEN.
WE SHOULD NOT BE FORBIDDEN, THEREFORE, LOGICALLY TO DISCUSS AMONG OURSELVES THROUGH THIS VEHICLE.
SO WE CAN GET OUR BUSINESS ADVANCE.
>> COURTNEY GRIMM: THAT WILL BE A HARD HURDLE FOR YOU.
>> JERRY CASALE::ME IT IS PERFECTLY LOGICAL IF WE ARE SERIOUS ABOUT THE WORK. OF BODIES LIKE OURS.
>> BETH, WHAT IS THE STATUS OF GETTING US THE COUNTY EMAILS?
>> I TRIED AGAIN. WE NEED IT TO COME.
I DON'T BELIEVE THEY WERE QUITE SET UP RIGHT AND YOU ACTUALLY HAVE TO LOG INTO THE COUNTY INTERNET OR THE COUNTY WEBSITE TO CHANGE YOUR PASSWORD AND GET THAT SET UP. SO WE CAN PLAN, I HAVE SAT HERE TRIED TO GET THE IT STAFF TO GET IT STRAIGHT FOR
THE NEXT MEETING. >> JERRY CASALE: I DON'T FULLY
UNDERSTAND THAT STUFF EITHER. >> I WOULD SAVE US ALL HAVING TO WORRY ABOUT HAVING OUR OWN EMAILS. IT WOULD MAKE IT EASIER.
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>> YOU HAVE A COUNTY EMAIL, RIGHT?
>> JERRY CASALE: THERE IS AN INTRIGUING WORD OR TWO IN THE SUNSHINE LAW POWERPOINT. ONE OF WHICH SAYS SOCIAL GATHERINGS IF MATTERS COME BEFORE THE COMMITTEE ARE DISCUSSED CAN BE A VIOLATION OF THE SUNSHINE LAW. THAT IS INTRIGUING, WHAT CAN BE? SO DOES IT SAY ARE? MAYBE IT IS MAYBE IT ISN'T?
>> COURTNEY GRIMM: I THINK IF YOU ARE AT A SOCIAL GATHERING AND YOU GET TOGETHER WITH ONE OF YOUR FELLOW MEMBERS AND YOU START DISCUSSING THE DRAFT MARKER LANGUAGE FOR BLUE ANGEL STATE HISTORIC MARKER YOU ARE IN VIOLATION.
>> JERRY CASALE: RIGHT, WHEN WOULD YOU NOT BE? BECAUSE IT SAYS MATTERS THAT COME BEFORE THE COMMITTEE ARE DISCUSSED.
THEN IT SAYS CAN BE. THAT IS KIND OF INTERESTING. EVEN THE PEOPLE WHO DRAFTED THIS THING MIGHT BE.
>> COURTNEY GRIMM: I DON'T KNOW, THAT DID YOU COPY THAT WORD.
>> I PULLED IT FROM SOMEWHERE ELSE.
>> COURTNEY GRIMM: I TOLD YOU I LOOK IN HERE AND TELL YOU HOW
THE ATTY. GEN. SAYS IT. >> JERRY CASALE: OH, GEEZ.
IS THAT ALL ABOUT THE SUNSHINE LAW?
>> THE SUNSHINE LAW AND PUBLIC RECORDS.
>> JERRY CASALE: GREAT. IT LOOKS LIKE THREE OR 400 PAGES.
>> COURTNEY GRIMM: ANY PARTICULAR SITUATION YOU MAY HAVE IF YOU HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT WE COULD PROBABLY FIND YOU AND ATTY. GEN. OPINION ON IT. AND IT IS ONLINE IT IS VERY EASY YOU CAN TYPE IN GOVERNMENT SUNSHINE. ATTORNEY GENERAL'S
OFFICE, FLORIDA. >> JERRY CASALE: NOW THIS SUNSHINE LAW, BY THE WAY, I AM CURIOUS BUT IS FLORIDA THE ONLY ONE WHO HAS IT? I HAVE THE FEELING THERE WERE OTHERS.
>> SUNSHINE? I THINK GEORGIA HAS SOME.
>> JERRY CASALE: I THINK I'VE SEEN REFERENCES TO SOMETHING
LIKE IT IN SEVERAL STATES. >> I AM SURE EVERY STATE HAS
THEIR OWN VERSION OR POLICY. >> JERRY CASALE: MY QUESTION ARE DEFENSE INVOLVED IN CRAFTING TO MAKE IT HARDER?
>> I JUST WANT TO MOVE THIS FORWARD QUICKER. SO THAT WAS THE
WHOLE POINT. >> COURTNEY GRIMM: THIS IS WHAT IS IS ABOUT SOCIAL EVENTS. MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC, BOARD OR COMMISSION ARE NOT PROHIBITED UNDER THE SUNSHINE LAW FOR MEETING TOGETHER SOCIALLY. PROVIDED THAT MATTERS WHICH MAY COME BEFORE THE BOARD OR COMMISSION ARE NOT DISCUSSED AT SUCH GATHERINGS. THEREFORE A LUNCHEON MEETING HELD BY PRIVATE ORGANIZATION FOR MEMBERS OF A PUBLIC BOARD OR COMMISSION AT WHICH THERE IS NO DISCUSSION AMONG SUCH OFFICIALS ON MATTERS RELATING TO PUBLIC BUSINESS WOULD NOT BE SUBJECT TO DISSENSION LAW. MERELY BECAUSE OF THE PRESENCE OF TWO OR MORE MEMBERS OF THE COVERED BOARD OR COMMISSION. PUBLIC BODIES SHOULD AVOID SECRET MEETINGS FROM WHICH THE PUBLIC AND THE PRESS ARE EFFECTIVELY EXCLUDED PRECEDING ADDITIONAL MEETINGS. EVEN THOUGH SUCH SECRET MEETINGS ARE HELD FOR PURELY SOCIAL PURPOSES ONLY AND WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC BODY WILL IN GOOD FAITH ATTEMPT TO AVOID ANY DISCUSSION OF OFFICIAL
BUSINESS. >> JERRY CASALE: BY THE WAY, HAS ANYONE EVER ACTUALLY BEEN PROSECUTED UNDER THE SUNSHINE
CLOCK? >> YES IN NASSAU COUNTY THEY HAD SOME ISSUES WITH SOME COMMISSIONERS AND COUNTY ATTORNEY. THE COUNTY ATTORNEY GOT DISBARRED. AND THAT WAS FOR SUSTAINING THE COMMISSIONERS IT WAS CONSTRUED AS BEING A
LIAISON. >> JERRY CASALE: THAT WAS SINCE THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THIS LAW, CORRECT?
>> COURTNEY GRIMM: YES. THAT WAS WITHIN THE LAST YEAR AND A HALF.
>> JERRY CASALE: IS NOT THE ONLY ONE?
>> COURTNEY GRIMM: NOTE THERE ARE OTHER RECENT CASES TRYING TO REMEMBER WHICH COUNTY IT WAS WITH A COUPLE OF COMMISSIONERS
THROUGH TEXT MESSAGES. >> JERRY CASALE: THERE WAS AN URBAN LEGEND THIS ALL STARTED WITH SOME PEOPLE IN DUBOIS COUNTY UNDER THE TABLE. AND CAME TO THE ATTENTION OF THE PUBLIC.
>> COURTNEY GRIMM: I DO NOT KNOW.
>> JERRY CASALE: ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS FOR MS. GRAHAM? WE APPRECIATE YOU COMING OUT TO RATHER THAN DO THIS THROUGH CORRESPONDENCE. IT MIGHT HAVE TAKEN TWO YEARS.
[LAUGHTER] QUICK THERE IS A POSSIBILITY THERE ARE PRISONERS IN OUR STATE PENITENTIARIES THAT ARE GOING WHAT ARE YOU IN, FOR
VIOLATING THE SUNSHINE LAW. >> COURTNEY GRIMM: I DON'T THINK YOU WOULD GO TO PRISON BUT THE COUNTY ATTORNEY GOT DISBARRED.
IT IS PRETTY HARSH. >> THANK YOU.
>> JERRY CASALE: THANK YOU. IF YOU EVER HAVE ANY QUESTIONS MY OFFICE - IF YOU ARE UNSURE OF ANYTHING GIVE US A CALL. AND WE
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CAN HELP YOU. WE WILL LOOK FOR AN ANSWER IF WEDON'T KNOW. >> JERRY CASALE: VERY GOOD, VERY
GOOD, THANK YOU. >> COURTNEY GRIMM: WE ALWAYS CAUTION YOU IT IS THE FIRST STEP IS NOT THAT WE MEAN TO DO
ANYTHING WRONG. >> JERRY CASALE: THANK YOU. SO, WERE WE GOING TO - I WAS LOOKING AT THE AGENDA AND IT SEEMED TO ME MORE LOGICAL TO DEAL WITH THIS PRESSING MATTER OF THE NOMINATIONS FOR OFFICERS. BECAUSE THAT IS SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN VERY SOON, RIGHT? SHOULD WE DO WITH THAT BEFORE WE DEAL WITH THE TWO PARKER THINGS? YOU WOULD LIKE TO GO AHEAD WITH
ALL I AM SAYING IS I WOULD PREFER TO TAKE - I AM SORRY, BILLY SUGGESTION THAT WE CREATE A SUBCOMMITTEE. AND THAT WE RUN WITH THAT. AND WE SENT EVERYTHING OFF TO BETH AND BETH CAN MAKE THE EDITS AS YOU ARE SUGGESTING.
SO WE CAN TABLE THIS ITEM TWO COMPLETELY AND GET RIGHT TO THE
WORK OF THE OFFICER NOMINATIONS. >> TO MAKE THIS ACTUALLY HAPPEN WE NEED TO SOME AGREEMENT ON WHEN AND WHERE THIS COMMITTEE
WOULD MEET, CORRECT? >> WOULD BE IN THE COMMITTEE?
>> I WOULD VOLUNTEER. >> GREAT.
>> FOR THE BLUE ANGELS MARKER? >> CORRECT.
>> DO WE NEED TO MAKE A MOTION FOR THAT OR VOTE ON IT?
>> IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE WHO WANTS TO BE ON THE SUBCOMMITTEE?
>> I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE CREATE A SUBCOMMITTEE FOR THE BLUE ANGELS MARKER TO INCLUDE MYSELF AND BILLY AND JARED.
AND THAT WE WILL COME UP WITH THE TIME AND PLACE TO MEET.
>> I THINK THAT LAST PART IS A REQUIREMENT, IF I UNDERSTOOD WHAT WE WERE TOLD IN THE LAST SEVERAL MINUTES.
BECAUSE OTHERWISE IF WE DON'T SET THE TIME NOW.
WE WOULD BE ILLEGALLY NEGOTIATING THE TIME.
>> LET'S SET A TIME WHAT WOULD BE CONVENIENT FOR THE TWO OF
YOU? BEFORE OUR NEXT MEETING? >> JERRY CASALE: I DID NOT BRING
MY CALENDAR AT HOW SOON? >> WE HAVE TO GET THEM A WEEK NOTICE. THEY NEED A WEEK NOTICE TO POST.
>> AND WE NEED TO FIND A LOCATION.
>> JERRY CASALE: I DID NOT THINK OF BRINGING MY PERSONAL CALENDAR WITH ME. I WOULD BE FLIPPING A COIN.
I ALONG WITH ALMOST ANYBODY'S EXCEPT THE WEEKEND OF THE END -.
>> WHAT ABOUT THE 15TH? >> 15 MAY.
>> WHAT TIME? >> DO YOU WORK, YES YOU DO.
>> IF YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE IT HERE I TAKE PERSONAL TIME AND
COME. >> WE CAN HAVE IT AT THE LIBRARY. I THINK SHE SAID THE LIBRARY IS
OPEN, CORRECT? >> WHICH LIBRARY?
>> THE GREENE COUNTY LIBRARY. >> WE CAN CHECK WITH THEM I AM
NOT SURE THEIR HOURS. >> JERRY CASALE: NOT SURE?
>> THE GREEN CO HOURS. >> UNLESS THEY HAVE CHANGED IT I MAY HAVE IT SINCE I LIVED THERE. IT IS BEEN A WHILE.
>> I HAVE A COUPLE MEETING SPACES INTO THE OLD COURTHOUSE AS WELL. QUICK THAT WOULD BE EVEN BETTER.
>> JERRY CASALE: THERE USED TO BE.
>> AND THE CLERK OF COURTS THE TWO LADIES FOR THE CLERK OF COURTS. THINKING COURT ARE USUALLY THERE EVERYDAY. AND THAT WOULD BE A PLACE THAT
WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE TO YOU ALL. >> JERRY CASALE: YES.
>> CAN WE SET UP ASSUMING WE CAN GET INTO THAT BUILDING?
>> WE HAVE A COUPLE OF CHOICES. I TRIED FOR THE LIBRARY OR CLERK OF COURT. ACTUALLY YOU ALL WOULD PREFER MAYBE THE COURTHOUSE OR THE LIBRARY.
FOR THE 15TH AT WHAT TIME? >> WHAT TIME ARE YOU OFF WORK?
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>> I GET OFF AT 3:30 BUT I MAKE IT EARLIER THAN THAT.
>> 4 O'CLOCK? 4 O'CLOCK IS FINE FOR ME.
>> THE GREEN CO LIBRARY HAS STAGGERED HOURS.
MONDAY THROUGH TUESDAY 7:48 P.M. WEDNESDAY 5:50 P.M.
AND FRIDAY AND SATURDAY NINE TO FIVE.
I DON'T KNOW THE 15TH 20 OF THE WEEK IS THAT?
>> MONDAY. THAT IS FROM 12 TO EIGHT THEY
ARE SUPPOSEDLY OPEN. >> YOU WILL SEND ME THE MINUTES OF YOUR MEETING THE SUBCOMMITTEE? WHAT IF YOU WILL TYPE UP THE MINUTES AND SEND IT TO ME?
>> CORRECT. >> IT WASN'T AN EMAIL OUT INDIVIDUALLY TO YOU LETTING YOU KNOW WHERE YOU ARE CONFIRMED.
FOR THE 15TH. >> I DO HAVE A QUESTION ON THE
MINUTES DOES IT HAVE TO BE WORD? >> SUMMARIZED.
> SUMMARIZED, OKAY. >> WHICH REMINDS ME MAYBE CARLA WOULD BE ABLE TO BE PRESENT TO TAKE NOTES.
BECAUSE SHE IS THE SECRETARY, OR WAS.
>> IS THAT SOMETHING YOU CAN EMAIL HER AND SEE IF SHE CAN BE
AVAILABLE? >> JERRY CASALE: SHE WAS VERY GOOD AT THAT. FOR A LOT OF YEARS.
>> THAT TAKES CARE OF THAT ITEM ON THE AGENDA NOW WE ARE FREE TO
TALK ABOUT OFFICERS. >> JERRY CASALE: VERY GOOD.
SO, THE OFFICER NOMINATIONS HAD BEEN - WAIT A SECOND.
>> I BELIEVE YOU CHOSE TO RENOMINATE THE CURRENT OFFICER
AND VICE CHAIR AND SECRETARY. >> I SECOND THE MOTION.
>> WAS THAT NOT SUGGESTED? ARE THERE ANY OTHER NOMINATIONS, I
GUESS? >> I WOULD BE PERFECTLY WILLING TO CEDE MY GLORIOUS AUTHORITY TO ANYBODY WHO WANTS TO TAKE IT.
SO DID WE HAVE A MOTION? WE HAD A MOTION OR DO YOU NEED A MOTION FOR NOMINATIONS? BUT WE OUGHT TO ACT ON THEM, RIGHT?
>> YOU WOULD ACT ON THEM AT THE JUNE MEETING.
JUST WAIT THIS IS SET UP APRIL YOU COME UP WITH NOMINATIONS.
MAY YOU FORMALIZE YOUR SLATE AND JUNE YOU VOTE.
>> JERRY CASALE: OKAY. I CAN'T REMEMBER HOW WE DID IT LAST YEAR. DO WE MOVE TO ADOPT THE SLATE OR
WHATEVER IT IS? >> I BELIEVE YOU CAN DO THAT IF
YOU WANTED TO. >> I GUESS THAT WOULD MAKE SENSE TO PUT IT IN THAT WAY. I ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ADOPT THE CURRENT SLATE OF PROPOSED OFFICERS.
>> SECOND. >> YOU WOULD BE MAKING THE MOTION I CANNOT INITIATE IT AS CHAIR.
>> WE ARE MAKING A MOTION TO GET THE OFFICERS AS THEY ARE RIGHT NOW? IS THAT WHAT WE ARE DOING? WHAT YOU ARE MAKING A MOTION TO
HAVE THEM AS THE CANDIDATES. >> INCOMING.
>> FOR THE POSITION THAT YOU WILL VOTE ON IN JUNE.
>> WE NEED TO CORRECT THE AGENDA TO SAY 2023 TO 2024.
>> THAT IS CORRECT, ". >> WE HAVE A SHORT RULES.
ALL RATE WAS THERE A SECOND? >> I SECOND.
>> ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THESE NOMINATIONS? AS THE AUCTION ARE SAID THEIR ROOM AND FAIR WARNING.
I WILL CALL THE QUESTIONF ROOM R WARNING.
I WILL CALLA ROOM AND FAIR WARNING.
I WILL CALLIR ROOM AND FAIR WARNING.
I WILL CALL THE QUESTION THEIR ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF ADOPTING THIS SLATE SIGNIFIED BY SAYING AYE.
>> AYE. >> ANYBODY OPPOSED OR ABSTAINING? IT IS UNANIMOUSLY ADOPTED.
MAYBE THIS WOULD BE THE TIME TO MENTION WILL NOT BE HERE ON ONE JUNE I WILL BE OUT OF TOWN. I WILL BE WITH YOU IN SPIRIT.
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GOOD, SHALL WE MOVE ON TO THE SLIM WHITMAN HISTORIC MARKERMATTER? >> WE HAVE A PRIMARY SUBJECT FOR THE TEXT FOR THE SLIM WHITMAN MARKER.
THAT WAS ACTUALLY SUBMITTED BY THE SLIM WHITMAN FAMILY.
THEREFORE WE CAN STILL GO THROUGH THE CLARIFICATION PROCESS, VERIFYING THE BIRTHDAYS AND PURCHASE DATES. THE THINGS OF THAT NAURE. I HAVE VERIFIED THE GPS COORDINATES AND THE ADDRESS OF THE LOCATION. BUT WE CAN STILL - THERE IS NOT ANY - THERE IS NOT ANY RUSH ON THIS. AND WE CAN JUST - DOES EVERYBODY HAVE A COPY OF THIS? OKAY, SO THAT EVERYBODY WAS A COPY OF THIS CAN LOOK IT OVER. MAYBE OUR NEXT MEETING WILL BE TO DISCUSS ANY PROPOSED CHANGES OR ANYTHING ELSE. THE ONLY THING I WOULD SUBMIT IS THE WHITMAN FAMILY. IF THERE ARE ANY CHANGES OR ADDITIONS OR ANYTHING ELSE TO THIS. AND THERE SHOULD BE A LITTLE BIT MORE CONSIDERING THE SIZE OF THE STATE MARKER AND EVERYTHING ELSE. BUT IT WILL BE A ONE SIDED MARKER THEY WOULD LIKE PLACED BETWEEN THE FENCE AND THE DITCH. STILL RIGHT BESIDE THEIR DRIVEWAY FACING THE ROAD. SO ONLY NEED TO BE ONE-SIDED THEREFORE A LITTLE BIT OF FUNDING FROM THE STATE.
AGAIN, THERE IS NO HUGE RUSH ON THIS AND WE CAN DISCUSS IT NEXT MEETING IF ANYBODY AFTER GOES OVER THIS. AND SUGGESTIONS FOR ANY ADDITIONS OR ANYTHING OF THAT NATURE.
>> JERRY CASALE: OKAY. >> IS THAT OKAY?
>> RANDY, DID THEY GIVE YOU THE GPS CORNETS OR DID YOU GO OUT THERE AND BEAT THEM? THE QUESTION BECAUSE THE GPS DID NOT GO UP TO THAT LOCATION, IT DID NOT MATCH THE ADDRESS THAT WAS
GIVEN. >> RANDY HARRIS, CHAIR: I WENT THROUGH GOOGLE EARTH AND I WENT TO THAT ADDRESS FIRST. AND I GOT THE GPS COORDINATION. AND THEN I BACKTRACKED AND ENTERED IN THE GPS COORDINATION'S. AND IT TOOK ME TO THAT ADDRESS.
SO, LIKE I SAID BY OUR NEXT MEETING I WILL CHECK, RECHECK AND TRIPLE CHECK JUST TO MAKE SURE. AND I WILL DRIVE OUT THERE WITH MY GPS GEAR AND PARKED IN THE DRIVEWAY AND MAKE SURE IT IS
EXACTLY WHAT WE HAVE ON HERE. >> JERRY CASALE: IT IS GOOD THAT THIS POINT CAME UP. BECAUSE THE RECITATION OF THE GPS CORNETS AS PART OF THE REQUIREMENT TO APPLY TO THE STATE FOR THE MARKER.
A FREE MARKET THAT WE SUBMIT WILL HAVE TO HAVE THAT KIND OF INFORMATION. AS WELL, OF COURSE, OF THE DOCUMENTATION OF STATED FACTS IN THE MARKER. AND SO WE CAN'T JUST GO ON FAMILY MEMORY ALONE IF IT HAS TO DO WITH STATES OR THINGS LIKE THAT. SO THAT IS GOOD. OKAY, GOOD THAT THIS IS UNDERWAY.
I THINK, ANY OTHER COMMENTS ABOUT THAT MARKER?
>> HAS THERE BEEN ANY THOUGHT GIVEN TO HOW THE PUBLIC WILL BE ABLE TO DO THAT AND PULL INTO THE DRIVEWAY? AND GET OUT AND LOOK AT IT? THEY WILL BE ON PRIVATE PROPERTY IS THAT OKAY WITH THE FAMILY? WHAT ABOUT BACKING OUT ONTO - WILL THERE BE ANY PLACE FOR THEM TO TURN AROUND SAFELY? TAKE THE
DRIVEWAY? >> THAT IS ON OLD JENNINGS ROAD.
BETWEEN NOW AND THE NEXT MEETING I WILL PERSONALLY DRIVE OUT THERE. AND CHECK OUT THE COORDINATES AND PULLING IN AND BACKING OUT AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
AND ALSO DISCUSS IT WITH THE SLIM WHITMAN FAMILY.
>> I WOULD HATE FOR SOMEONE TO PULL OVER AT THE MARKER AND GET OUT AND TAKE A LOOK AT IT. AND THEN GO BACKING OUT OF THE DRIVEWAY BECAUSE THERE IS NO PLACE FOR THEM TO SAFELY TURN AROUND. AND CORRECTLY ONTO OLD JENNINGS.
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BECAUSE OLD JENNINGS IS A VERY BUSY ROADWAY NOW. AND IT IS PRETTY DANGEROUS IF YOU ARE JUST TRYING TO BACK OUT ON IT.SO THAT JUST MIGHT BE A CONSIDERATION TO TAKE INTO
ACCOUNT. >> APPROXIMATELY HOW FAR FROM
THE ROAD WITH THE MARKER BE? >> I HAVE NOT GONE OUT THERE WITH A TAPE MEASURE AND MEASURED IT.
YOU JUST HAVE A ROAD THEN YOU HVE A DITCH AND YOU HAVE ABOUT 12 FEET BETWEEN THE DITCH AND THE FENCE. AND SO THEY HAD EXPRESSED A DESIRE FOR THE MARKER TO BE BETWEEN THE DITCH AND THE FENCE. BUT ALL ISSUES OF THIS PROJECT ARE SUBJECT TO INTERPRETATION AND RENEG RENEGOTIATION. REVIEW OR
WHATEVER IT TAKES. >> WILL HAVE TO MAKE SURE IT IS NOT WITHIN THE RIGHT-OF-WAY. AS YOU SAID CANNOT BE LOCATED. JUST
OUTSIDE. >> IF THE SIGN DEPARTMENT WILL INSTALL THE SIGN WE CAN AT LEAST CLEAR THE RIGHT OF WAY.
>> WHAT ABOUT THE AGUSTA SAVAGE? THAT WAS PROPERTY.
>> THAT WAS A CITY PROPERTY. AND BECAUSE WE KIND OF HAVE AN
INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT I WAS TOLD. >> UNDERSTOOD, THAT MAKE SENSE.
>> IF YOU LOOK AT THE MOVIE PARK MARKER WE DID. WE MOVED IT, ME AND ANNALISE WE PUT IT WHERE WE DID BECAUSE OF THE EASE FOR PEOPLE TO GET IN AND TAKE A LOOK AT IT SAFELY. AND NOT HAVE TO PULL OVER TO THE SHOULDER OF THE ROAD TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT. A AGAIN, IT IS SAFETY FOR THE PUBLIC. QUICK THAT IS IMPORTANT.
QUICK THAT IS INTERESTING INFORMATION MOVING FORWARD WITH WHATEVER MARKERS WE COME UP WITH IN THE FUTURE. THANK YOU FOR SHARING THAT AND SOMETHING WILL NOW TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION.
>> JERRY CASALE: GOOD. SO IF THERE IS NO FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THAT ITEM WE GO TO NEW BUSINESS. CERTIFICATES, I DON'T KNOW IF ANYONE IS AWARE OF ANY. I GUESS IF THERE WAS BETH WOULD
HAVE HEARD ABOUT IT, RIGHT? >> WE DON'T HAVE ANY DESIGNATED PROPERTIES IN THE CERTIFICATES OF APPROVAL WOULD COME INTO PLAY IF SOMEONE WERE WANTING TO DO SOME RENOVATION OR CHANGE TO THE
DESIGNATED PROPERTY. >> JERRY CASALE: OKAY.
WHAT WAS I GOING TO SAY? WOULD YOU CARE TO GIVE US SOME INFORMATION ABOUT THIS BOARD NUMBER 11?
>> I WAS GOING TO WAIT FOR STAFF.
>> JERRY CASALE: IF YOU LIKE. >> IF I DO THAT NOW.
WHEN WE WERE DOING THE EDUCATIONAL TOUR FOR THE KIDS IN KEYSTONE HEIGHTS, THE FOURTH GRADE. ONE OF THE STAGES OR STOPS WE TOOK THEM THROUGH WAS THE 411 WHICH I HAD NEVER EVEN HEARD OF. AND WHEN I MENTIONED IT TO YOU YOU HAVE GREAT KNOWLEDGE ABOUT IT.
AND SINCE THEN I HAVE TALKED TO HISTORIANS ABOUT 411. AND LEARNED QUITE A BIT. AND IT IS A VERY IMPRESSIVE AND VERY IMPORTANT FORT . AND THERE ARE FORTS THROUGHOUT FLORIDA. . AND FORTS THROUGHOUT FLORIDA. AND THEY WERE ALL NUMBERED.
>> JERRY CASALE: YES. >> AND I DID IN MY CAR A MAP AND ALL THE STUFF I FORGOT TO BRING IN.
AND DID NOT THINK WE WOULD REALLY BE DISCUSSING IT TONIGHT.
SO I WILL BRING ALL OF THAT TO THE NEXT MEETING, IF WE CAN MAKE THAT AN AGENDA ITEM. BECAUSE I THINK IT WOULD BE SOMETHING WE COULD DISCUSS IN THE FUTURE REGARDING A PLAQUE.
>> JERRY CASALE: YES, YES. >> IT IS THAT IMPORTANT.
>> JERRY CASALE: OF COURSE, I AM VERY GLAD TO HEAR THAT FOR THAT HONOR IN THE FUTURE. AND THEIR FUTURE, I HOPE.
>> AND TO PIGGYBACK ON WHAT BILLY WAS SAYING IN TERMS OF RIGHT-OF-WAY. THE BOARD ITSELF WAS ON CITY PROPERTY.
IN A PARK. SO IT WOULD BE IDEAL. >> JERRY CASALE: GREAT.
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>> FOR A MARKER. >> JERRY CASALE: VERY GOOD, VERY GOOD. I AND GLAD TO SEE THIS GET SOME ATTENTION AT LAST. SO, THERE IS ANOTHER THING I WAS
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GOING TO MENTION IN PASSING, AT LEAST.I DON'T KNOW IF STAFF COMMENTS COME NOW.
>> I CAN, IF YOU LIKE THERE WAS ANOTHER PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD
BUT THAT IS ALL RIGHT. >> JERRY CASALE: YES, SURE.
>> I KNOW THERE IS NO ONE HERE THERE NEVER IS.
THE MONTH OF MAY IS NATIONAL - TRYING TO FIND IT.
IS NATIONAL HISTORY MONTH. SO THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS WILL HAVE A PROCLAMATION AT THEIR MEETING NEXT TUESDAY AT 4 P.M. AND I SENT OUT AN EMAIL I AM SURE YOU HAVE LOTS OF EMAILS COMING YOUR WAY.
THEY ARE LOOKING TO SEE IF YOU ALL WOULD LIKE TO COME AND BE PART OF THE PROCLAMATION. BASICALLY FOR THOSE WHO DID NOT PARTICIPATE LAST YEAR YOU WOULD COME AND SIT APPEAR WITH THE BOARD AS THEY READ THE PROCLAMATION.
AND WE ARE OFFERED THE OPPORTUNITY IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO
SAY A FEW WORDS. >> IS THAT AT 4 O'CLOCK?
>> 4 O'CLOCK. IT WILL BE A LITTLE PAST 4 O'CLOCK THEY WILL HAVE A FEW OTHER THINGS.
IN FACT I CAN SEND OUT THIS INFORMATION AGAIN TO YOU IF YOU WOULD LIKE. THERE IS ALWAYS AN INDICATION AND PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. AND THEN THE PROCLAMATIONS ARE READ RIGHT AFTER THE PLEDGE. IT IS CLOSE TO 4 O'CLOCK.
>> JERRY CASALE: WE ARE SUPPOSED TO NOTIFY THE LADY WHO IS COORDINATING THIS. I DID THAT THIS AFTERNOON.
ANYBODY WHO HASN'T SHOULD DO IT. >> IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO KNOW NOW YOU WOULD LIKE TO PARTICIPATE I LET HER KNOW AS WELL.
>> AND IT IS MAY 9TH? >> THE 10TH, I BELIEVE.
>> JERRY CASALE: NIGHT, I THOUGHT.
>> WAS IT THE NINTH? >> IT IS THE NINTH.
>> IT IS DENIED THAT WAS OFF A DAY.
SO YES, TUESDAY THE NINTH AT 4 P.M.
>> I RESPONDED BACK BUT JUST FOR RECORD I PLAN ON GOING.
>> JERRY CASALE: IT WOULD BE NICE IF WE MADE A GOOD SHOWING.
AND FOR POSTERITY AS WELL. >> I WILL BE THERE.
>> I WILL BE THERE. >> WE HAVE JERRY.
>> ANYBODY WHO HASN'T OR IS ON DEFENSE NOTIFY THE PERSON
DESIGNATED AS THE COORDINATOR. >> WINDOW I HAVE TO KNOW?
>> MONDAY AT THE LATEST. >> JERRY CASALE: OKAY.
[Board Member's Comments]
STAFF COMMENTS. BOARD MEMBERS?>> I THOUGHT HE WAS A BOARD MEMBER COMMENTS.
>> JERRY CASALE: I WAS GOING TO SAY THAT.
AS SOON AS YOU SAY THAT I HAVE A COMMENT.
>> JERRY CASALE: GOOD, PLEASE DO.
>> I WANTED TO LET THE BOARD KNOW TWO THINGS.
ONE I'VE ALREADY DISCUSSED THIS. I WAS GIVEN THE PRIVILEGE OF GOING INSIDE THE COST OF SIN RESIDENT.
AND I TOOK A LOT OF PICTURES ON THE INSIDE THERE.
EVERYTHING IN THERE IS EXACTLY THE WEIGHT THAT MA AND PA G GUSTAFSON THAT MY THAT MA AND N BUT IT THE CATCHES ARE THE SAME.
AND AS THE FURTHERGGUSTAFSON B ARE THE SAME.
AND AS THE FURTHER GGUSTAFSON BUT IT THE CATCHES ARE THE SAME.
AND AS THE FURTHER DATE WE WILL GET A BUNCH OF VOLUNTEERS AND GO IN GROUPS OF SIX OR EIGHT. AND CLEAN THE PLACE UP A LITTLE BT. MS. GUSTAFSON WANTS TO SELL THE PLASMA WANT TO MAINTAIN THE HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE OF THE PLACE. THEY DON'T WANT ANYTHING TO CHANGE. THEY DO NOT WANT THE BUILDING TURNED OUT ANYTHING ELSE LIKE THAT.
AND POSSIBLY, IF IT IS CLEANED UP AND THE BUYER IS RECEPTIVE TO IT IT CAN EVEN BE MADE INTO A MUSEUM OF SORTS. ANYWAY, THERE IS THAT. SECONDLY, I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO GO INTO - I GOT A CALL FROM THE CLAY ARCHIVIST IS IT CAN YOU GO ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE SO AND SO PLACE.
AND SO I DID. AND THERE WAS THIS PLACE I WENT BACK INTO. THERE WERE A FEW TRAILERS BACK THERE AND ONE OLD FLORIDA CRACKER HOUSE.
AND I TALKED TO THE CLAY ARCHIVIST AND SHE SAID IT WAS
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THE ORIGINAL OF THE SHERIFF OF CLAY COUNTY.HE BUILT THAT PLACE THERE WERE OLD PICTURES OF HIM AND HIS FAMILY SITTING ON THE PORCH AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
SO I GOT A FEW PICTURES OF THAT. WHETHER OR NOT THAT WILL EVER COME INTO PLAY FOR A FUTURE PROJECT OF OURS OR NOT.
I DON'T KNOW. BUT I DO HAVE SOME CONTACT INFORMATION FOR THE CHERRY FAMILY.
IF IT COMES TO THAT. >> WHERE IS THAT?
>> IT IS OFTEN 220 ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE SALVATION ARMY.
THERE IS A LITTLE ROAD THAT GOES BACK THERE AND THERE ARE TRAILERS BACK THERE. AND THERE IS ONE FLORIDA CRACKER HOUSE BACK THERE WITH A WRAPAROUND COURT.
AN OLD CRACKER HOUSE. >> JERRY CASALE: IS IT ACCESSIBLE FOR PEOPLE TO LOOK AT?
>> I DID NOT NOTICE ANY NO TRESPASSING SO SIGNS OR ANYTHIN LIKE THAT BUT THE INSIGHTS ARE NOT REALLY THE HIGHEST ARCHITECTURAL STANDARDS, IF YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN.
THE FLOORS ARE SHAKY AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
ANYWAY I WENT INSIDE AND GOT A BUNCH OF PICTURES.
>> JERRY CASALE: VERY GOOD, VERY GOOD THAT WOULD BE GOOD IF THERE WAS A WAY TO MEMORIALIZE IT AT LEAST WITH A MARKER.
KIND OF A MORE AMBITIOUS PRESERVATION EFFORT.
THAT IS GREAT. IT WAS KIND OF FAMOUS ONE OF THE
EARLY SHERIFFS. >> HE BUILT THAT HOUSE HIMSELF AND HE WAS THERE TWO YEARS AND THEN ASSASSINATED IN AUGUST.
ANYWAY THAT IS THE STORY OF SHERIFF CHERRY SPENT ANY OTHER
COMMENTS? >> THE CITY OF KEYSTONE HEIGHTS IS HAVING A HISTORIC TOUR OF HOMES ON SATURDAY, MAY 13TH.
FROM TEN AM TO 1 P.M. IN THE HERITAGE COMMISSION IS A WALKING TOUR SELF-GUIDED. AND WE WILL BE MEETING YOU CAN SHOW UP ANYTIME BETWEEN TEN AND ONE.
WE WILL BE MEETING AT THE KEYSTONE BEACH HISTORIC PAVILION. AND THERE WILL BE LIGHT REFRESHMENTS. WE WILL PROVIDE A BROCHURE WITH A MAP OF ALL THE HOMES. ALL THE HOMES WILL HAVE FLAGS IN FRONT OF THEM. AND THEY WILL BE NUMBERED CORRESPONDING TO THE PRESSURE. AND IT IS A SELF GUIDED TOUR.
AND SO THAT IS HAPPENING THE DAY BEFORE MOTHER'S DAY.
AND THE FIRST 50 RECIPIENTS OUR ATTENDEES WILL BE GIVEN A ROSE IN HONOR OF MOTHER'S DAY. LAST YEAR WE HAD A LITTLE OVER 100 PEOPLE COME THROUGH. AND WE ARE HOPING TO HAVE THE
SAME THIS YEAR. >> WHAT DAY IS IT?
>> WANT TO PASS THAT DOWN IT IS THE 13TH THE SATURDAY BEFORE
>> IF YOU CAN PASS IT DOWN. >> ANY OTHER COMMENTS?
>> ANY OTHER COMMENTS AT THIS TIME?
>> ONE THING I WILL JUST MENTION AGAIN FOR POSSIBLE FURTHER SCRUTINY. I HAVE GOTTEN SOME INDICATIONS FROM ONE OF THE COMMISSIONERS. AND A COUPLE OF OTHER PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN THESE THINGS.
ALL IS NOT NECESSARILY LOST FOR GOOD REGARDING THE SAVING AND ACQUISITION OF FORT SAN FRANCISCO DE PUPO BUT MORE NEEDS TO BE FOUND OUT. IT IS ALL SQUISHY BUT APPARENTLY THERE IS SOME EFFORT TO REACQUIRE IT.
EVEN THOUGH IT WAS SOLD OFF EVENTUALLY TO PRIVATE PARTIES.
WATCH THAT SPACE, IT MAY BE ABLE TO GET IT BACK.
IT IS CERTAINLY ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT LANDMARKS WITHIN THE COUNTY'S BOUNDARY. IN TERMS OF ITS HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE. SO, ALL RIGHT.
HERE WE GO. ANY FURTHER BUSINESS OR COMMENTS BEFORE WE CLOSE? OKAY, THEN THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.