Mar 14, 2023 Board of County Commissioners Workshop

[CALL TO ORDER]

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>> OKAY, WE WILL GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED BEEN.

I WILL NOW TELL CALL TO ORDER THE BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS COUNTY WORKSHOP OF MARCH 14, 2023.

WE WILL MOVE ON TO PUBLIC COMMENT.

[1.  Funding Streams]

SEEING NONE, WE WILL MOVE RIGHT ON INTO NEW BUSINESS, FUNDING

STREAMS, TAKE AWAY. >> I WILL KICK IT OFF ARE YOU

REALLY. >> .SO TODAY, WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO PRESENT TO YOU THE COUNTY'S 10 YEAR PLAN FOR CIP IMPACT FEES AND MOBILITY FEES. THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THE COUNTY HAS GONE OVER THE 10 YEAR PLAN.

THE IDEA IS THAT THE CONVERSATION TO START THE BUDGET PROCESS. HE WILL BRING US BACK TO YOU SEVERAL TIMES BETWEEN NOW AS WE GO THROUGH THE BUDGET PROCESS AND FOR YOU TO START YOUR TENTATIVE BUDGET IN JULY WITH FINAL BUDGET SET IN SEPTEMBER. THIS IS NOT A ONE AND DONE, THIS IS THE START OF A LONGER PROCESS.

HOPEFULLY TODAY WE CAN SEE WHERE THE PRIORITIES ARE AT, GO FOR WHAT STAFF IS PUT TOGETHER AND GET DIRECTION ON HOW YOU WANT TO CHANGE IT. TODAY, WE'LL TALK ABOUT THE FUNDING STREAMS, THE CURRENT STATUS HOW WE REJECT THE MOBILITY FEES, THEN WE WILL GO THROUGH THE TENURE PROJECT PLAN. THE PROJECT PLAN IS THE BOARD'S DECISION. WE GIVE YOU A FOUR-PAGE PROJECT OVERVIEW. IN THE BACKGROUND BEHIND US IS 16 PAGES OF CIP IMPACT FEES, ALL THE DIFFERENT FUNDS FOR HAD THE SPREADSHEET, IF YOU WANT TO DRILL INTO A SPECIFIC PROJECT.

F YOU WANT TO SEE EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENS IN THE CIP OR IMPACT FEES, WE CAN ALWAYS FLIP TO THOSE TABLES.

I WILL TURN IT OVER TO DEBBIE AND SHE WILL GO OVER THE

FUNDING STREAMS WITH YOU. >> GOOD MORNING.FOR OUR CIP PROJECT LIST, WE BASICALLY USED DISCRETIONARY SALES SURTAX, PART IF THAT IS TO REPAY THE BOND.

WE USE THE SECOND OPTION CAST TAX TO DEVELOP CONTRIBUTIONS IN THEIR. WE HAD THE IMPACT TRANSPORTATION FEES AND MOBILITY FEES.

WE HAVE THE BOND FUNDS AND OUR NEW FACILITY IMPACT FEES.

WE ARE ALSO USING OTHER RESTRICTED FUNDS TO DO THINGS LIKE THE APARTMENT BUILDING, WE ARE USING SOME FIRST DEVELOPMENT TAX FOR TWO OF THE PROJECTS, AND ALSO WE ARE WORKING WITH SOLID WASTE LINES. OUR NEXT SLIDE IS BASICALLY SOME OF THE BUCKETS. THE OTHER TRANSPORTATION TRUST FUND TOWARDS DEVELOPMENT FUND. THE LAST COLUMN IS DISCRETIONARY SALES SURTAX WHERE YOU WILL SEE THE BUCKET FOR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS.

SO, OUR SECOND OPTION FUEL TAX, THIS IS OUR FIVE CENT SALES TAX FOR THE FUEL. THIS PORTION GOES DIRECTLY INTO CIP, AS SHOWN ON THE PREVIOUS SLIDE, OR OTHER FUEL TAX POSTED THE TRANSPORTATION TRUST. OUR NEXT ONE IS OUR DISCRETIONARY SALES SURTAX. THIS IS THE ONE I MENTIONED OUR DEBT SERVICE FOR BONDED ROAD PROJECTS COME OUT OF THIS, THEN THE REMAINING FUNDS GOING TO OUR CIP.

[2.  Current Status\Projections]

>> AS WE ARE TALKING ABOUT OUR CURRENT STATUS AND PROJECTIONS, DEBBIE RAN ANALYSIS TO MAKE SURE WE ARE ON TARGET FOR REVENUES COMING IN THIS YEAR. EVERYTHING IS ON PAR AND WE ARE WITHIN A COUPLE OF PERCENTAGE POINTS OF WHERE WE EXPECTED.

WE ARE RUNNING WHERE WE SHOULD BE RUNNING FOR SALES TAX, GAS TAX, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS. WHEN WE GET TO MOBILITY FEE PROJECTIONS, THIS WHOLE THING IS BASED ON REVENUE IN THE FUTURE. HOW DO WE PLANT THE REVENUE? FOR MOBILITY FEES, WE TOOK WHAT WE DID LAST YEAR, APPLY THAT TO NEXT YEAR AND AFTER ALL THE YEARS, KEEPING BASICALLY A STATUS QUO EACH YEAR AS THE PERMITS COMING FROM THE

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IF ALL THE SUDDEN, LAKE ASBURY STOPS GROWING, WE WILL OF COURSE HAVE TO ADJUST THE NUMBERS IN THE BUDGET BUT WE GET TO GO OFF OF WHAT WE HAD AVAILABLE.

THE FACILITY IMPACT FEE WE BASE THAT OFF OF APPROXIMATELY 1700 HOMES. IN TALKING TO YOUR BUILDING DEPARTMENT, THAT IS PROBABLY FEEL BETWEEN THE MUNICIPALITIES AND THE COUNTIES. WE DID NOT FACTOR IN ANY COMMERCIAL GROWTH BECAUSE THAT IS VERY HARD TO ESTIMATE WHAT KIND OF COMMERCIAL GROWTH YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE.

THAT ALSO GIVES YOU A CONSERVATIVE APPROACH THAT THERE IS COMMERCIAL GROWTH, WHICH WE ALL HOPE THERE WILL BE, THAT WILL BE MONEY ON TOP SO WE CAN ADJUST THE PROJECT AND MOVE PROJECTS FORWARD IF WE HAVE LOW MONEY AND MOBILITY FEE AND IMPACT FEE DISTRICTS. THE DISTRICT FEES, ONLY GET TO THE PARKS, WE PRORATED THEM THE EXACT WAY THAT THE MOBILITY FEES BROKE DOWN LAST YEAR. THAT WAS THE CLEANEST WAY GOOD THING TO DO IT IS ASSUMED THE MONEY WILL FALL IN THE SAME PERCENTAGES. ALL DOLLARS IN THE ENTIRE PLAN ARE BASED ON CURRENT YOUR DOLLARS WITH ONE EXCEPTION, I WILL GO TO THAT IN A SECOND. IF WE START TRYING TO PLAN OUR INFLATION FOR DIFFERENT THINGS AND THE INFLATIONARY RATES FOR EQUIPMENT FIRST THE INFLATIONARY RATES FOR CONSTRUCTION, AND MAKES IT REALLY HARD TO GO BACK TO THE PLAN AND TRY TO ESTABLISH THIS. THE BUDGET DEPARTMENT, BECAUSE YOU ARE IMPACTING AT AN ACCELERATED RATE, TAKES LARRY BASED ON THE CONSUMER PRICE INDEX OR ENGINEERING ESTIMATE.

THE OTHER THING IS WE DID FACTOR IN A NEGLIGIBLE INCREASE IN SALES TAX AND GAS TAX BASED ON THE POPULATION INCREASETHAT WE KNOW WE ARE GOING TO SEE . IT'S A VERY MINIMAL INCREASE, BUT WE DO KNOW THAT THOSE ARE GOING TO HAPPEN BASED ON HISTORICAL MEMBERS.I WILL STOP THERE, IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS BEFORE WE GO TO THE NEXT PIECE.

>> DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?>> I HAD ONE.

SO, ARE ANY ECONOMISTS STATEWIDE PROJECTING FOR GAS TAX DECREASES BASED ON THE INCREASE INELECTRIC VEHICLES ? I DON'T KNOW THAT THE 2030 NUMBER IS REALLY REAL, BUT THAT IS WHAT IS TALKED ABOUT THE PNATIONAL LEVEL.

>> WE GET THE ECONOMIST PROJECTIONS EVERY SINGLE YEAR.

WE WILL KNOW MORE IN JULY WHAT THEY ARE DOING.

EVERY YEAR WE LOOK AT THIS WE CAN ADJUST THE NUMBERS UP AND DOWN TO YOUR POINT THE GAS TAX GETS RECALIBRATED EVERY YEAR STARTING, YOU MAY WANT TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT.

>> WE BASICALLY USE THE ESTIMATES WE GET FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE FROM THE ESTIMATED CONFERENCES.

AS MORE MONEY COMES IN, WE ADJUST THE PROJECT AS WELL.

>> I THINK MAYBE, CHARLIE IS BACK THERE, THAT MAY BE A CONVERSATION THAT WE NEED TO START HAVING AT THE SOUTHERN GROUP. THEY NEED TO STARTDRESSING IN TALLAHASSEE . THE REPRESENTATIVE OF THE FTO SEE SAID BEFORE POSITIVE THERE WILL BE A MODEL THE SWITCHOVER SOME OF THE TAXING TO ELECTRIC, BUT THEY WERE NOT READY TO SAY ANYTHING AND THE WHOLE YEARS GONE BY.

>> SOMETHING HAS TO BE DONE, THE GAS TAX IS FLAT AND HAS BEEN FOR THE LAST FEW YEARS. THE OTHER ALTERNATE REVENUE STREAM HAS TO BE LOOKED AT NATIONWIDE, NOT JUST FOR OUR STATE. IT HAS BEEN VERY QUIET ON THAT, SO IT IS DEFINITELY SOMETHING AS WE COME UP FOR CLAY DAY AND SEEING WHAT THEY ARE MOVING TOWARDS.

>> WHEN WE ADOPTED THE GAS TAX OR THE OPTIONAL PORTION THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT IN 2017 I THINK, WE KNEW THAT IT WAS A FLAT TAX OR A DECREASING REVENUE SOURCE BECAUSE THEY INCREASE THE FUEL EFFICIENCY OF THE VEHICLES, VEHICLES THAT ARE - - GAS OR DIESEL ARE MORE EFFICIENT.THERE IS GOING TO BE LESS THERE. I THINK THAT IS A REAL PROBLEM FOR THE FINANCIAL TYPES THAT ARE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THOSE MILES. THE AVERAGE CITIZEN IS NOT GOING TO GO BY AN ELECTRIC VEHICLE BECAUSE OF THE COST - - THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE DURING THE COURSE OF A DAY WILL NEED APPROXIMATELY 600 ELECTRIC FUEL STATIONS TO HANDLE THE SAME

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AT THAT POINT, AT SOME LEVEL THEY WOULD HAVE TO TAX THE RECHARGE FOR ELECTRIC VEHICLES TO OFFSET THE GAS TAX REVENUE

DECREASED. >> IMAGINE THAT DRINKS AND SNACKS THEY CAN SELL IF YOU HAD TO SIT THERE FOR HALF AN HOUR.

>> THAT IS TRUE. WE HAD A WHOLE DIFFERENT

INDUSTRY. >> THIS ALSO MAY BE A QUESTION FOR CHARLIE, THE STATE BOARD OF ADMINISTRATION ESTABLISHES AN ALLOCATION FOR SALES TAX AND FUEL TAX, WE ARE GROWING SIGNIFICANTLY. HAVE WE HAVE IS THAT THE ALLOCATION SEE IF IT IS REASONABLE OR EQUITABLE? I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY ALLOCATE I GUESS, IS WHAT I'M SAYING.

>> ARE YOU ON A DIFFERENT PAGE? >> PAGE 5, SECOND OPTION FUEL TEST ALLOCATES BASED ON STATUTES.

>> OKAY, I WAS AHEAD OF YOU. >> I GUESS MY QUESTION IS HOW WE ABLE TO THE STATUTE TO SEE IF THERE IS STILL RELEVANT AND EQUITABLE? I DON'T KNOW WHEN THEY WERE ESTABLISHED OR HOW THEY WERE ESTABLISHED ALLEGATIONS?

>> WE WILL TAKE A LOOK AT THAT. >> GOOD ANSWER.

>> THE ANSWER TO THAT ONLINE IS THAT WE HAVE NOW BUT WE WILL.

>> WHILE IT IS NOT AFFECT THIS CONVERSATION, IT DOES AFFECT YOUR OTHER BUDGETARY ITEMS BECAUSE AGAIN AS DEBBIE SAID, WE HAVE $0.12. FIVE OF IT GOES TO CIP, OTHER GO TO OTHER COUNTY GOVERNMENT OPERATIONS.

>> TRANSFORMATION TRUST. >> RIGHT, THE OTHER SEVEN CENTS PLAYS INTO THE CONVERSATION NOT TODAY IN CIP BUT AFFECTS YOUR ENTIRE OPERATING BUDGET FOR TRANSPORTATION TRUST.

>> I CAN ALSO TELL YOU THAT BASED ON THE ESTIMATE THEY CAME OUT LAST JULY FOR OUR SECOND OPTION, BE BUDGETED TO $2.8 MILLION THAT GOES TO CIP, SO NOT A LOT OF MONEY.

>> THE NEXT PAGE IS REALLY JUST AN EXAMPLE THAT ILLUSTRATES THE NUMBER OF PROJECTS THE COUNTY HAS WORKED ON PREVIOULY AND WHERE WE ARE GOING.WHAT YOU SEE IS THIS IS THE GREAT, IT REPRESENTS A 15 YEAR PERIOD OF TIME.

THOSE ARE THE MAJORPROJECTS THE COUNTY WORKED ON DURING THE TIME PERIOD BETWEEN 2008 AND 2022 .

THE GREEN STARTS IN 2020 OF CURRENT PROJECTS WE ARE DOING AND THE BLUE GOES OUT. FROM THE GREEN TO THE BLUE IS FROM 2020 THE 2027. THESE ARE APPROVED PROJECTS THAT ARE CURRENTLY BEING DONE OR HAVEN'T STARTED THIS YEAR OR PLAN TO BE STARTED BASED ON YOUR BUDGET.

THIS IS NOT IS THERE ANYTHING THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT TODAY, ADDITIONAL PROJECTS GOING OUT IN THE FUTURE.

IT IS JUST A WAY TO ILLUSTRATE THE AMOUNT OF WORK.OME PEOPLE THINK WHAT KIND OF WORK AT THE COUNTY DOING? YOUR STAFF HAS STACKED A LOT OF PROJECTS IN A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME AND WE ARE DOING MORE PROJECTS IN THE COUNTY HAS

PROBABLY EVER DONE AT ONE TIME. >> ON OUR CHART, THE YEARS ARE

CUT OFF. >> INSTRUCTOR 20, I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. 2008 AND GOES TO 2027 SEVEN.

>> I GOT THE GIST OF WHAT YOU WERE SAYING, IT WOULD HELPFUL TO HAVE THE SCALE ON OUR CHURC .

>> I APOLOGIZE FOR NOT HAVING THE ONE WITH THE SCALE, WE WILL

GET THAT IN. >> TYPICALLY, WHEN YOU LOOK TO ANY ORGANIZATION WHEN IT COMES TO FUNDING AS RELATED TO PERHAPS READINESS, IN THIS CASE YEAR, THESE ARE PROJECTS AND ARE WE READY FOR THESE PROJECTS? YOU CAN SEE IN 2000 IT WAS THE GREAT RECESSION, THE START OF IT. IT SLOPES DOWN AND IT COMES BACK IN 2018. AGAIN, 2008 AND 2018 WAS A HUGE EFFECT TO OUR COUNTY. YOU CAN SEE THIS GRAPHICALLY BEING UNREADY FOR THESE PROJECTS.

AS WE HAVE COME OUT OF IT IN 2018, WE HAVE NOT BEEN FLAT-FOOTED. WE HAVE NOT STOOD STILL.

WE ARE NOW BACK UP AND THESE ARE ALL THE PROJECTS THAT ARE NEEDED, JUST TO GET US UP ON THE STEP AND WHAT HAD HAPPENED TO US FOR THOSE 10 YEARS. I THINK IT'S A REALLY NEAT GRAPHIC ILLUSTRATION ON THAT BATHTUB AFFECT, IF YOU WANTTO CALL IT THAT , AS IT DROPS OFTEN COMES BACK UP.

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>> I THINK SOMETHING ELSE SO WE CAN DRAW FROM THIS CHART IS ONE THING THAT STANDS OUT TO ME IS THE STATION 11 WAS THE MOST RECENT FIRE STATION BUILT FOR $2.8 MILLION.

TODAY, WE CAN'T EVEN BUY THE LAND FOR THE FIRE STATION FOR

[3.  10 Year Project Plan]

THAT. >> COUNTY EQUIPMENT MAINTAINED THROUGH 10 YEARS, PUBLIC SAFETY WE MAINTAINED THROUGH THE 10 YEARS, WE ADDED FOUR MORE FIRE STATIONS IN YEARS SIX THROUGH 10, WE HAVE FOUR IN YEARS ONE THROUGH FIVE PREVIOUSLY BUDGETED. HE PUT THE WAREHOUSE, THE 9-1-1 TRAINING BUILDING AND PUBLIC SAFETY OPERATIONS INTO THE CIP.

THE INCREASE ROAD - - $10 MILLION IN YEAR SIX.

WE ADDED THE PROPORTIONAL THEIR SHARE OF COMMUNITY PARKS AND REGIONAL PARKS. IF YOU MEMBER FROM THE IMPACT FEES, WE HAVE TO MATCH THOSE WITH CIP DOLLARS.

WHAT IS NOT IN THE PLAN IS THAT WE DON'T HAVE ANY STORMWATER IMPROVEMENTS, THE STORMWATER STUDIES CURRENTLY GOING ON AND WHEN THE COMES BACK, THE PLAN WOULD BE TOO PLAN SPECIFIC PROJECTS INTO YOUR CIP. I KNOW RICHARD IS WORKING ON A LIST OF WHAT NEEDS TO BE REPLACED AND WE WILL PROGRAM THOSE INTO YOUR CIP DIRECTLY INSTEAD OF SAYING BRIDGE REPLACEMENT, $500,000 EVERY YEAR LIKE WE HAVE SEEN IN THE PAST. WE ARE LOOKING AT SPECIFIC PROJECTS IN THE BUDGET INTO THE BUDGET PLACEHOLDERS.

WE ARE WORKING ON A LIST TO PUT IN FOR THE SPECIFIC PROJECTS.

YOUR CIP MOTHER WAY IT IS PRESENTED IS - - FIVE YEARS AS A REQUIRED BY STATUTE. WHEN WE GET TO YEAR SEVEN, EVERYTHING IN THIS PLAN IS NOT FIT.

AT YEAR SEVEN, YOU ARE $8 MILLION SHORT BASED ON WHAT WE PUT IN HERE. THOSE POINT FOR A CONVERSATION AT SOME POINT. IT IS NOT AFFECT WHAT WE ADOPT IN FIVE YEARS. IF EVERYTHING HOLDS TRUE TO THE WAY IT IS TODAY, WE CANNOT AFFORD EVERYTHING IN THIS PLAN CURRENTLY. ANY QUESTIONS ON CIP?

>> SO WITH PROJECTED IMPACT FEES ARE NEW IMPACT FEES?

WE ARE STILL THAT SHORT? >> YES.

IMPACT FEES, WE HAVE TO BALANCE IMPACT FEES AS THEY GO IN AND OUT, BUT YOU ARE STILL $8 MILLION SHORT OF MATCHING EVERYTHING TO BE 100% TO COMPLETE THIS PLAN.WE LEFT IT THAT WAY BECAUSE WE WERE NOT CLEARING ALL THE NEED IN HERE, BUT WE ALSO THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS THAT HAVE TO GET ACCOMPLISHED TO BE SUCCESSFUL. WE THOUGHT WE WOULD ALWAYS PUT THEM IN THE PLAN AND NEED TO MOVE THAT OUT FURTHER BUT THAT

IS THE CONVERSATION FOR TODAY. >> HAD A QUESTION ON BRIDGE REPLACEMENT. I HAVE NO IDEA HOW MANY BRIDGES WE HAVE, MAYBE RICHARD YOU CAN ADDRESS THE CAPABILITY OF THE DEPARTMENT TO ASSESS BRIDGES, IT SEEMS LIKE A PRETTYDEEP ENGINEERING PROBLEM . WE KNOW WE HAVE A PROBLEM ON 217 WE HAVE A BRIDGE THAT IS INADEQUATE FOR TRAFFIC, IT'S A

PROBLEM IN THE COUNTY. >> EVERY BRIDGE IN THE COUNTY IS INSPECTED BY - - ON AN ANNUAL BASIS.

SOME OF THEM, SUCH AS THE ONE ON 217 OR MORE OFTEN, THAT IS EVERY SIX MONTHS. WE KNOW WHERE EVERY BRIDGE IS, EVERY BRIDGE IS INSPECTED BY ENGINEERS AND THEY ARE VERY QUICK TO RESPOND. THEY WERE THERE WITHIN 12 HOURS TO ASSIST US IN GUARDRAIL REPLACEMENT.

WE HAVE A VERY, VERY ACCURATE ANALYSIS OF EVERY BRIDGE AND CAN RANK THEM BASED ON OBSOLESCENCE.

THEY WILL CALL A BRIDGE OBSOLETE, WE DON'T BUILD THEM THE SAME WAY NOW AS WE DID IN 1938, BUT IT IS STILL STRUCTURALLY SOUND.WE STILL DRIVE OVER IT BUT IF YOU WERE TO DO IT NOW, YOU WOULD HAVE BIKE LANES ON A DIFFERENT TYPE OF GUARDRAIL AND RESTRAINT SYSTEM.

WE ARE NOT IN ANY SORT OF EMINENT DANGER, BUT THERE ARE SOME THAT HAVE TO BE RESTRICTE .

217 IS AN EXAMPLE, SANDRIDGE, HAS A VERY BUSY CORE DOOR.

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>> SO, DOT INSPECTS ON THE COUNTY ROAD A BRIDGE, THEY HAVE

A RESPONSIBILITY FOR THAT? >> EVERYONE IN THE STATE OF

FLORIDA. >> THANK YOU.

>> SO RICHARD COME IN THAT VEIN, WE RESTRICT WEIGHT BY PUTTING UP SIGNS, BUT HOW WAS ACTUALLY ENFORCED?

>> I KNOW ON RUSSELL ROAD THERE ARE TICKETS ISSUED.I DON'T THINK YOU 17, THERE COULD BE A SOURCE OF ENFORCEMENT.

THERE COULD BE HIGH-LEVEL ENFORCEMENT.

YOU SEE THE FLORIDA HIGHWAY PATROL SUV THAT HAS THE EQUIPMENT TO DO IT.THAT IS WHO I HAVE SEEN DO IT.

THERE IS. >> RICHARD, THIS WILL BE A QUESTION, I DID MENTION THIS THE LAST TIME YOU WERE IN THE HALLWAY. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IN THE PLAN IS WHATEVER KIND OF COMMITMENTS WE HAVE TO THE SCHOOL BOARD AS THEY CONTINUE TO BUILD SCHOOLS, WE HAVE OPPORTUNITIES WE HAVE TO PUT THE TRAFFIC AND TURN LANES AND THERE APPEARED WE SHOULD FIND OUT FROM THEM HOW MANY SCHOOLS AND WHAT TIMEFRAME ARE THEY GOING TO BE AVAILABLE, SO WE

NEED TO BE ABLE TO DO THOSE. >> I CAN HONESTLY SAY THAT WE HAVE DISCUSSED THAT IN THE LAST 35 MINUTES.

[LAUGHTER]. >> REGARDLESS, WE DISCUSSED THAT, NUMBER OF THE SCHOOLS ARE ON ROADS THAT DON'T EXIST NOW AND THE GOVERNORS PARK AREA, THE SARATOGA SPRINGS AREA.

IT DID WHEN AT SPECIFIC LOCATIONS EARLIER THIS MORNING.

SOME AREAS THAT WE WILL LOOK AT THAT COULD HAVE POTENTIAL SCHOOL SIGNS. A LOT OF THEM ARE NOT CONSTRUCTED YET. I DON'T SEE ANY HIGH SCHOOL ON MANNING BOULEVARD, BUT WE NEED TO PLAN FOR IT.

WE HAVE VERY GOOD COMMUNICATION WITH LANCE ADDISON AND DAVE KRAMER. IT'S A GOOD PLANNING TOOL.

>> IN THE MEETING WE HAD THIS MORNING, WE ASKED THEM FOR A LIST OUT FOR 10 TO 20 YEARS SO IF THERE ARE IMPROVEMENTS, THEY CAN BE FACTORED IN TO MAKE SURE OUR TIMELINES ARE FOR THEIR TIMING. IT COULD BE REALLY BAD IF WE HAD A RULE PLAN AND 13 YEARS BUT THEY'RE BUILDING A SCHOOL AND 10, YOU PROBABLY NEED TO GET THOSE TWO THINGS IN

ALIGNMENT. >> THE OTHER THING, IF I COULD, LAST WEEK WE TOOK A TRIP DOWN TO COLUMBIA COUNTY IN LAKE CITY AND LOOKED AT THEIR REGIONAL PARK.

ONE OF THE THINGS THEY DISCUSSED, THEIR MAINTENANCE CREW IS THAT THEY LEASE EQUIPMENT.

I'M NOT SURE IF THAT IS WORTHWHILE AT LEAST LOOKING AT WHETHER THAT WOULD WORK OR NOT WORK, BUT CERTAINLY IN THEIR CASE, YOU ARE ONLY TALKING ABOUT A PIECE OF EQUIPMENT THAT WOULD WITH FIELDS AND MASCOT AND OTHER THINGS, HE SAID THAT IS THE WAY THEY HAVE GONE AND THEY HIGHLY RECOMMEND US AT LEAST LOOKING INTO IT. I THOUGHT IF WE COULD SAVE SOME CAPITAL, THAT WOULD BE WORTHWHILE.

ARE YOU GOING TO TELL ME YOU HAD A MEETING YESTERDAY, AT THIS TIME. [LAUGHTER].

>> I THINK IF TESTING GETS UP THERE BEFORE HE DOES, IF AMY COULD TALK BRIEFLY ABOUT WHAT COULD FALL IN THE CAPITAL VERSUS NOT? THAT MAY HELP YOUR DECISION-MAKING AS WE MOVE FORWARD?

>> THE ACCOUNTS IN THEIR INFINITE WISDOM HAVE CHANGED THE RULES, ACTUALLY EFFECTIVE THIS PASTFISCAL YEAR 22 .

IT MAY SAVE A LITTLE BIT OF MONEY BECAUSE ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS PUT ON THE BOOKS, THE DISCOUNTED CASH FLOW SO IF YOU'RE ONLY LOSING THEM FOR FIVE YEARS AND TURNING THEM IN AND GETTING NEW WILL, UNFORTUNATELY UNDER THE OLD METHODOLOGY, YOU WOULD ONLY HAVE TO BUDGET FOR THE LEASE PAYMENT THAT PARTICULAR 12 MONTHS, NOW THAT THEY HAVE CHANGED IS, THAT HAS TO GO INTO THE INDIVIDUALFUNDS .

IF YOU DO A FIVE YEAR LEASE, YOU WOULD HAVE TO PUT THE VALUE OF THOSE FIVE YEARS OF LEASE PAYMENTS IN YOUR BUDGET IN THE

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>> THAT MAKES SENSE. >> YOU ARE COMMITTING THE COUNTY FOR THAT PAYMENT STREAM. THAT IS WHY YOU HAVE TO DO THA . YOU DO GET A LITTLE BIT THE BENEFIT OF THE INTEREST RATE. YOU JUST HAVE TO PUT THE VALUE

OF THE ACTUAL ASSET. >> SO, TECHNICALLY SPEAKING, MAYBE THIS IS MORE DEBBIE, IS NOT SUCH THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO KEEP MORE MONEY IN THAT FUND VERSUS MOVING TO RESERVES? WE ARE NOT THAT TIGHT AS FAR AS WE CAN FROM THE COUNTY THAT TIGHT, ISN'T IT THAT WE JUST WOULD NOT MOVE THE MONEY OUT? WE CANNOT SWEEP IT AT THE END OF THE YEAR AND PUT IT INTO

UNRESTRICTED RESERVES. >> THAT IS CORRECT.

YOU ARE RIGHT, IT JUST DEPENDS UPON WHAT THAT GROWTH RATE IS AND YOUHAVE TO BE CAREFUL . YOU ARE NOT ENCUMBERING IN MY EXAMPLE 1/5 OF THOSE PAYMENTS AND LEAVING EVERYTHING IN RESERVE, YOU ACTUALLY CAN BRING ALL FIVE.IF YOU NEED MORE VOLUME, THAT IS WHERE YOU GET INTO THE NEED FOR MORE CASH.

>> EVEN THAT I WOULD TAKE APPROACHES TO AMORTIZE IT OUT

OVER TIME? >> YES, YOU HAVE TO HIT IT ON YOUR ACTS ON THE YOU YOU PURCHASE IT WHICH IS THE

DECISION OF SPENDING THAT CASH. >> THE USE OF CAPITAL FUNDS FOR

LEASES? >> IF IT IS A CAPITAL ASSET, IT WOULD GO INTO THE CIP FUND. KATHY HAS DONE MOST OF THE TOP LEVEL ADJUSTMENTS HAVE ALL BEEN OUTSIDE OF THE FUNDS.

IT'S ALL BEEN ON THE CONSOLIDATED BALANCE SHEET AND THE STATEMENT OF ACTIVITIES. THEY MET A COUPLE OF CHANGES, ONE IS LEASES AND THE OTHER IS ANY CHANGE IN INVESTMENT VALUE.

THOSE HAVE TO GO DOWN TO THE FUND LEVEL.

THEY ARE CHANGING A LITTLE BIT OF THE METHODOLOGY ON HOW THEY ARE LOOKING AT CERTAIN TRANSACTIONS THAT REALLY COMMIT THE COUNTY FOR A LONGER-TERM. HE WILL KEEP AN EYE ON OTHER THINGSTHAT THEY ARE DOING . IT DOES NOT CHANGE WHAT MAKES GOOD ECONOMIC SENSE. NEVER LET THE ACCOUNTING, IF IT'S A BETTER DEAL TO LEASE IT DEFINITELY DO IT.

WE'LL FIGURE OUT THE ACCOUNTING UNLESS YOU SEEM TO FILL FROM RESERVES, WE CAN FIGURE THAT OUT BETWEEN DEPUTIES TEAM OUR TEAM. IT IS WHAT MAKES GOOD SENSE FOR THE COUNTY FINANCIALLY. IF YOU HAVE EQUIPMENT THAT IS CHANGING BEFORE THE END OF THE USE TECHNONG THIS AND LEASE THEM FOR A FULL SHORT-TERM AND REPLACE THEM AS

A CHANGES. >> THERE ARE CHANGES THAT WOULD

AFFECT YOUR BUDGET. >> BEFORE YOU START, GO AHEAD.

>> I HAVE A QUESTION THAT DOES NOT INVOLVE PARKS.

>> IT DOES INVOLVE PARKS? >> IT DOES NOT.

>> EQUIPMENT, 10 YEAR LIFESPAN. WE HAD ADVANCES AND FUEL AND CORROSION PROTECTION, ADVANCES IN LIGHTING TECHNOLOGY.

YET WHEN I WAS IN ORANGE PARK, - - IT SEEMS TO ME HAVE YOU EVER DONE AN ASSESSMENT WHETHER WE CANNOT GET IN FOR FIVE YEARS OUT OF SOME OF OUR VEHICLES OR 11 POSSIBLY? YOU CAN SEE IN YEARS SIX, SEVEN, EIGHT, NINE, 10 FOR SURE WE ARE SHORT RIB HAVE YOU EVER LOOKED AT THAT? BEST PRACTICES FROM OTHER MUNICIPALITIES? I USED MY 57 CHEVY ANALOGY, I CAN GO BY A 57 CHEVY TODAY THAT WILL PROBABLY OUTRUN ANYONE'S CAR IN THE MEETING ROOM, HERE.

IT'S ALL FUNCTION OF DO YOU MAINTAIN IT?

HAVE WE EVER LOOKED AT THAT? >> I WILL DEFER TO TERESA BECAUSE I THINK SHE IS WORKING ON SOMETHING SIMILAR.

>> WHEN SHE IS DONE, NOT TO PUT THEM ON THE SPOT, BUT THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE HAS ARE YOU A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT MODELTHAN WE DO . IF THEY WANT TO SHARE.

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IF NOT, THAT IS OKAY. >> WHILE WE ARE WORKING ON, IN THE PAST YEARS WE HAVE WORKED ON A FIVE-YEAR PLAN AND ARE MOVING TOWARDS A 10 YEAR PLAN TO BE CONSISTENT WITH WHAT THE CIP PROCESS IS. ALSO WITH HOW EXPENSIVE SOME OF THE EQUIPMENT IS WHETHER WE ARE PURCHASING CONTRACTS FOR THE CAMERA TRUCKS. FROM A TECHNOLOGY PERSPECTIVE, THERE WAS THEN MOVE TO MORE COMPUTERIZED LIKE WE SAW IN TH PERSONAL VEHICLES .WE HAVE NOT SEEN AS MUCH ON THE INDUSTRY LEVEL AND MAKING THEM SMALLER OTHER THAN THE DEF OPTIONS FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE OR THE COMPUTERIZATION.

WHAT WE ARE LOOKING AT MORE IN TERMS OF OUR 10 YEAR PLAN IS AS OUR COMMUNITY CHANGES, WHERE WE HAVE ROUGHLY 19 10 WHEELER DUMP TRUCKS. AS THE COMMUNITY BECOMES MORE DEVELOPED, DOES IT MAKE SENSE TO MAKE THE MOVE TO WHERE WE HAVE FIVE 10 WHEELERS AND START TO REPLACE WITH SIX WHEELERS.

TRYING TO DO - - WORK IN ORANGE PARK VERSUS WORKING KEYSTONE, WE HAVE TO GET TO A MUCH SMALLER PIECE OF EQUIPMENT.

YES, NOW THAT WE HAVE COME OUT OF COVID AND START TO HAVE OUR APWU ANNUAL MEETINGS, EVEN THE CAREER FAIR RECITE UNIQUE NEW EQUIPMENT. ALL THAT IS ON THE TABLE AND HAD TO BE WORK SMARTER AND MORE EFFICIENT? ALSO, KEEP AN EYE ON WHAT ARE CAPITAL EXPENDITURES ARE FOR THESE ASSETS. RIGHT NOW, OUR PUBLIC WORKS REPRESENT ABOUT 20% OF WHAT THE COUNTY BUYS OVERALL ON WHAT WE

CURRENTLY OWN. >> DO WE HAVE AN IDLING POLICY? IF YOUR VEHICLE IDLES FOR MORE THAN THREE MINUTES, YOU SHUT IT OFF OR WHATEVER? CERTAIN THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT WEARS OFF A VEHICLE. WE USED TO DO THAT TO KEEP THE BATTERY CHARGED. THERE ARE SYSTEMS YOU CAN INSTALL ON A VEHICLE THAT WILL START THE VEHICLE IF THE BATTERY GETS DISCHARGED. THAT ALL ADDS TO THE LONGEVITY OF THE EQUIPMENT. I THINK WE OUGHT TO LOOK AT, WE WILL BE SHORTLY OUT HERE WHEN WE DON'T HAVE ARPA AND THINGS LIKE THAT. THE 10 YEAR MODEL, THEY STILL HAVE FOUR WHEELS AND A STEERING WHEEL.

JUST THE WAY THEY DID 25 YEARS AGO, 30 YEARS AGO, 50 YEARS AGO. IF WE CAN CONSERVE THEIR VEHICLE, WE CAN SAVE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS.

>> DEFINITELY, THE LED AND SOME OF THOSE CONVERSIONS ARE HAPPENING. THE NEWER EQUIPMENT IS COMING WITH THOSE FEATURES, SOME OF THE SMALLER TRUCKS YOU WILL SEE THAT IDLE FEATURE. IN TERMS OF THE IDLING - - ESPECIALLY WHERE WE HAD CODE RED DAYS WITH SMOG ISSUES, WE WILL TAKE A LOOK AT THAT, THAT IS THE GREAT THING TO IMPLEMENT. PUBLIC WORKS SELF GOVERNED THEMSELVES IN TERMS OF WHAT THEY ARE IDLING BUT IS BETTER TO HAVE A POLICY AND CHECK IN WITH THE TEAM TO MAKE SURE WE

HAVE SOMETHING IN PLACE.>> IF I MIGHT ADD, WE ARE VERY HYPER FOCUSED ON EQUIPMENT, BUT IT ALSO TAKES MECHANICS TO WORK ON THESE VEHICLES. WHEN WE LOOK AT THAT CONSTRAINT, THIS IS A NATIONWIDE PROBLEM.WE ARE PARTNERING WITH THE SCHOOL SYSTEM, TERESA AND HER TEAM WERE OUT THERE IN CONSTRUCTION CAREER DAYS AS THE EXAMPLE TO ENTICE THESE ON HIGH SCHOOLERS TO COME OVER TO THE COUNTY PARTICULARLY FOCUSED ON THEIR CTE WORK, CONTINUING EDUCATION WORK, AND TO BECOME A MECHANIC. IT'S A VERY DYNAMIC SITUATION WHEN IT COMES TO SUPPLY CHANGE, POLICIES AND PROCEDURES AND LOOKING AT THIS AS A WHOLE. WE ALWAYS TAKE A LOOK AT THESE VEHICLES. CAN THEY BE REPURPOSED IN SOME OTHER WAY TOO? WE EVEN HAD AN OPPORTUNITY THAT CONTINUED LIFE OF THAT VEHICLE PER SE WILL BE REQUESTED BY ANOTHER GOVERNMENT AGENCY OR CONSTITUTIONAL OR NONPROFIT AS THEBOARD HAS MADE DECISIONS IN THE PAST ON THAT.

THIS IS AN AREA I CAN TELL YOU THAT TROY AND I TALKED ABOUT

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I AGREE WITH YOU, EVERY MONTH WEEKEND - - CRITICAL TO TAXPAYER DOLLARS. WE HAVE BEEN DISCUSSING THAT, THAT HAS BEEN A TOPIC. CAN WE DO BETTER? I'M SURE THAT WE CAN DO BETTER. I DON'T TYPICALLY RELY ON THE TECHNOLOGY SO MUCH, BUT THE PROCESS AND PROCEDURE.

OBVIOUSLY, A SIMPLE MACHINE IS A BETTER THING TO HAVE.

WHEN WE ARE SITTING HERE AND THE ENTIRE NATION IS ALL TOP FOR CHIPS, AS AN EXAMPLE, USING MAN, IF YOU HAD A NORMAL COMBUSTIBLE ENGINE FROM THE 50S AS YOUR EXAMPLE SIR, IT WOULD BE A LOT BETTER. THE PROBLEM IS ARE THE PARTS AVAILABLE? IS THERE THAT THE TALENT TO WORK ON IT? YOU'RE ALSO BALANCING THE AMOUNT OF TIME YOU'RE SPENDING AND THE MAINTENANCEFACTOR OF THAT . PLUS TO GO INTO IT, DIFFERENT DISCUSSIONS THAT WE WILL BE HAVING.

I KNOW FROM A PUBLIC SAFETY AND LAW ENFORCEMENT STANDPOINT, THE VEHICLES ARE RUN HARD IN A PARTICULAR SITUATION.

>> THAT IS WHAT THE SHERIFF WAS TELLING ME.

THEY HAVE DIFFERENT MODELS. A LOT OF THE FIRESIDE IS CODIFIED, THE SHERIFF SIDE NOT AS MUCH.

SHE USES A LITTLE MORE OF A HYBRID MODEL WHICH IS PRETTY IMPRESSIVE AND MAY BE SOMETHING THAT WE WANT TO LOOK AT ACROSS THE BOARD. SHERIFF, I DON'T MIND - -

>> IT CAUSES ME PAIN TO SURVEY A 2014 HARGER.

I WANT TO GO OUT THERE AND LOOK AT IT.

HOW COULD A CAR BE WORN OUT IN SIX OR SEVEN YEARS OR EIGHT

YEARS? >> IN OUR WORLD WE ARE BASICALLY THREE CATEGORIES, SPECIALTY VEHICLES WHICH WILL BE NEGOTIATED TRUCKS AND SWAT TRUCKS, STUFF LIKE THAT.

THEN WE HAD UNMARKED VEHICLES WHICH ARE ADMIN, DETECTIVE CARS AND DEFINITELY HAVE A LONGER LIFESPAN.

THEN WE OF THE MARKED PARTS WHICH ARE RUN HARD.

FOR US, EVERY ONE OF HER VEHICLES IS ON THE TIMELINE WHERE THEY HAVE TO BRING SERVICE.

VEHICLES SOMETHING WE PAY EXTRA ATTENTION TO MAINTAINING OUR FLEET. FOR US, IT IS A SAFETY ISSUE.

WE HAVE A VERY ROBUST PROCESS OF MAINTAINING OUR VEHICLES HENCE OUR OWN FLEET DIVISION AND OUTSOURCING.

WHEN IT COMES TO THE MARKED VEHICLES WHICH ARE THE ONES THE DEPUTIES ON THE STREET DRIVE, WE LOOK AT THINGS SUCH AS MILEAGE, MAINTENANCE COSTS. HAS IT BEEN INVOLVED IN A CRASH BEFORE? WE TAKE ALL OF THAT INTO CONSIDERATION.THE CARS ARE RANKED - - WE MAY GET A LEMON.

EVERY THREE MONTHS IT IS HAVING TRANSMISSION PROBLEMS. HE WILL GO AHEAD AND EXIT THAT OUT OF OUR FLEET SO WE CAN PUT ANYONE IN THERE. BECAUSE OF THE NATURE OF OUR JOB AND OUR MEMBERS ARE RUNNING 100 MPH WITH LIGHTS AND SIRENS, WE PLAY CLOSE ATTENTION TO WHAT IS HAPPENING IN OUR VEHICLES.

>> I THOUGHT THAT WAS VALUABLE INFORMATION, IS NOT A TIME OR MILEAGE AT ALL WHICH I THOUGHT WAS PROBABLY ONE OF THEOTHER .

HIS AGE, MILEAGE, THE AMOUNT WE ARE SPENDING ON MAINTENANCE PURCHASE THE HOME. I THINK THAT WE LOOK AT WHEN TAKING THE TOTALITY OF THE VEHICLE.

>> DO YOU TRACK THE AVERAGE AGE OF THE FLEET?

>> WE HAVE ATTRACTED OVER 100,000 MILES.

WE HAVE 60 MARKED VEHICLES OVER 100,000 MILES RESPONDING TO THE EMERGENCY CALLS THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY.

>> ARE YOU STILL CHIEF? CAN I HEAR YOU, CAN YOU SPEAK

INTO THE MICROPHONE? >> WE CURRENTLY HAVE 115 VEHICLES THROUGHOUT OUR ENTIRE AGENCY THAT 100,000 MILES.

60 OF THEM ARE MARKET UNITS, THESE WILL BE THE MEN AND WOMEN RESPONDING TO EMERGENCY CALLS AT YOUR HOMES AND YOUR

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WE SPOKE OF, IT COULD BE A YOUNGER CAR WITH TERRIBLE COST PER MILES. OR, IT COULD BE AN OLDER CAR

THAT'S HOLDING WELL. >> YOU HAVE NOT MIGRATED TO

SYNTHETIC? >> INDEPENDENT WITH THE MANUFACTURERPREFERS . WE HAVE SOME OLDER CARS THAT ARE STILL CONVENTIONAL. FOR THE MOST PART WE ARE 7500 MILES BUT WE HAVE A FEW THAT ARE AT 5000.

>> THANK YOU. >> I JUST DID NOT KNOW CHIEF, I DO NOT WANT TO GET THAT WRONG. I AM GRATEFUL FOR WHAT YOU ALL DO. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THAT OR

ANYTHING ELSE SO FAR? OKAY.>> NEXT, WE WILL TALK ABOUT DEVELOPMENT FEES. THESE ARE SOME OF THE DIFFERENT ACCOUNTS WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT IN THE LAST FEW YEARS WHERE THEY ARE EITHER EPF FUNDS OR PREVIOUS DEVELOPMENT FORMS THAT WE REALLY NEVER MADE A PLAN FOR NOW WE ARE SAYING HEY, IS TRYING TO MAKE A PLAN TO SPEND THESE DOLLARS.

THE NORTHEAST SECTOR HAS SEVEN $42,000 IN IT AND WE PROPOSING TO PUT THAT MONEY TOWARDS EITHER THE BONDED ROAD PROJECT ON 220ORDER TO 20 RRR . SO PUT THE MONEY TOWARDS TO 23RD THE WEST SECTOR IS 231,000, WE ARE PLANNING ON PUTTING IT TOWARDS COUNTY ROAD 218.

LIKE AS VERY APF IS 287,000, THAT WOULD GO TO YOUR EAST TO WEST ONE ROAD. THAT WOULD PAY FOR THE DESIGN OF THE PW TO DO AND CONSTRUCTS. THE SIDEWALK FUND HAS ABOUT $186,000. WE WOULD PUT THAT TOWARDS BONDEDROADS . WE KNOW THAT THERE IS MORE MONEY NEEDED FOR THOSE IF YOU WILL, DEPENDING ON WHAT WE DECIDED TO DO WITH THE BONDED ROADS.

I WILL STOP THERE, IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS ON THESE DEVELOP

RELATED FEES. >> SIDEWALK FORMS COME FROM

WHERE? >> I WILL DEFER THAT TO SOMEBODY IN PLANNING OR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.

IT LOOKS LIKE MRS. STEWART. >> I WILL TELL YOU WHAT DEBBIE SAID THE ANSWER IS. [LAUGHTER].

THE SIDEWALK FUND IS ACTUALLY DEVELOPERS AND SOME AREAS HAVE THE OPTION TO PAY INTO THE SIDEWALK FUND INSTEAD OF PUTTING IN THE SIDEWALK, WHICH MAKES SENSE IN THE AREAS WHERE THERE ARE NO OTHER SIDEWALKS. THAT IS WHAT THAT IS.

>> SO WE WON'T END UP LIKE OUR FRIENDS TO THE NORTH WHERE THEY

HAVE SIDEWALKS TO KNOW WHERE? >> CORRECT, THAT IS THE PLAN

ANYWAY. >> WE COULD END UP ON THE OTHER END OF THE SPECTRUM WILL BE HAVE DEVELOPMENTS WITHOUT

SIDEWALKS. >> WE COULD, MOST OF THE BIGGER DEVELOPMENTS PUT IN THE SIDEWALKS.

SMALLER DEVELOPMENTS LIKE DOLLAR GENERAL THAT IS NOT

ATTACHED TO SOMEWHERE. >> WHAT I SAW ON THE NEWS, IT'S INTERESTING THAT - - DUVALL COUNTY, THERE IS ONE LOT IN THE SUBDIVISION THAT NO ONE BUILT SO THE RULERS THEY HAVE TO PROVIDE SIDEWALK SO THEY WOULD GO IN AND BUILD THIS LAST HOUSE AND ONLY THAT SECTION WOULD HAVE A SIDEWALK AND LITERALLY A VERY SHORT LITTLE SIDEWALK. THERE WAS NOT ENOUGH MONEY TO DO IT FOR THE WHOLE MONEY NEIGHBORHOOD.

>> FOLLOWING QUESTION, IT'S A NEW SIDEWALKS, NOT REPAIRING

SIDEWALKS? >> YES OR.

>> I THINK THIS MONEY WOULD HAVE TO BE USED FOR NEW

SIDEWALKS. >> YES, SIR.

AND IN THE AREA IN WHICH THEY WERE GATHERED.

IF THE MONEY CAME IN FROM OAKLEY, WE WOULD NOT PUT IT

DOWN TO KEYSTONE. >> WE ARE PUTTING THIS TOWARDS THE BONDED ROAD PROJECT, ALL OF OUR BONDED ROADS HAVESIDEWALKS

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IN EFFECT, WE ARE FINDING SOME SIDEWALKS.

>> THEY DO WE SHORTEN SOME OF THE SIDEWALKS IN THE SANDRIDGE?

>> IT'S 209. >> THEY ARE DOING COST ANALYSIS ADDENDUM HERE. YOU GUYS ALREADY KNOW THIS, THE PRICES HAVE JUST SKYROCKETED FOR ALL OF THESE TRANSPORTATION PROJECTS WE ARE DOING. WE ARE TRYING TO RIGHT SIZE EVERYTHING TO GET THE ROADS BUILT MEANING WE MATTHEW SKIMP ON SIDEWALKS IN CERTAIN AREAS. ALSO, I AM GETTING AHEAD WITH THE MOBILITY FEE DOLLARS THAT TROY HAS ON HIS LIFE ABOUT MULTIUSE TRAILS AND FUTURE TRAILS, 5% OF THE MONEY CAN BE IN FOR THAT. LET ME GO ON THE RECORD AND SAY I'M A PROPONENT OF THAT. AND A LOT OF THOSE AREAS, IF WE CAN USE 5% OF THE DOLLARS COLLECTED FOR MULTIUSE TRAILS, THAT WOULD BE GREAT BECAUSE YOU WILL GET MORE SIDEWALKS ALONG

SIDE A LOT OF THESE ROADS. >> SO THOSE DEVELOPERS HAVE PUT

MONEY INTO THAT? >> ANYBODY THAT BUILT A NEW HOUSE CURRENTLY HAS PUT MONEY INTO THE MOBILITY FEE ON TO GET

MONEY THROUGH BUILDING A ROAD. >> WE HAVE DEVELOPMENTS.

>> BUT ON RUSSELL. >> THEY ARE NOT FINISHED YET, ALL OF THAT WOULD COME TOWARDS THE END.

>> I WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE PLANS TO SEE IF THEY WERE PLANNING ON PUTTING IN THE SIDEWALKS OR IF THEY WERE GOING TO PAY IT. THE OR NOT TO THAT POINT YET.

>> MY CONCERN IS SOMETHING YOU HEAR ALL THE TIME IS ABOUT THE TURN LANE THAT THEY DID NOTHAVE TO DO .

I KNOW THEY HAVE HELP ON OTHER THINGS ARE JUST PAWNS, WHERE THAT MONEY GO? IT SHOULD CONFED TURN LANE.

THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IS NORMALLY.

>> I WILL: ENGINEERING OR ADD TWO FOR THAT.

>> IS A REQUIREMENT THAT UP WITH THESE TURN LANES IN BUT THEY DON'T HAVE TO, SO WHERE THAT MONEY GO THAT SHE LOVED ON

TO THAT? >> AS FAR AS THE BUDGET, WE START OFF WITH - -4 THE BUDGET AND THE CONCEPTUALIZE WAS THAT WE ARE IMPROVING LANE AND SIDEWALK AND BIPLANES.

AT THE TIME THE PROJECT CONTINUES TO PROGRESS, AS WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT WITH THE INCREASES IN COSTS WHETHER IT BE REAL ESTATE OR MATERIAL COSTS THAT WE HAVE SEEN IN THE REPORT BE PROVIDED, HOW OR WHAT TO DO WITH THE MONEY AS WE CONTINUE TO ALLOCATE FOR EACHOF THE PROJECTS ? AS AN EXAMPLE, PROJECT ONE IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION, THOSE DOLLARS HAVE BEEN LOCKED UP. PRIVATE THREE COUNTY 209, THAT IS THE ONE WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING OVER THE LAST 6 TO 9 MONTHS AS FAR AS OPERATIONAL IMPROVEMENTS.

IMPROVING THE INTERSECTIONS COME AT THE VARIOUS INTERSECTIONS ON COUNTY ROAD 209.WITH THAT, HOW DO YOU CREATE THAT CREATIVITY ON BOTH SIDES? THAT IS WHERE WE ARE SEEING THE DOLLARS THAT YOU CONTINUE TO ALLOCATE, THERE IS LESS AND LESS OF IT TO GO TO THE REST OF THE BOUNCING PROJECTS FOR PROJECTS FIVE, THREE AND SIX.

THAT IS REALLY SAY DO YOU WANT TO ADD AN UP AT THE SIDEWALKS ON ONESIDE ? WHETHER IT IS A JOINT NEWS PATH,LARGER PATH OR A SMALLER SIDEWALK .

AGAIN, AS THAT DOLLARS CONTINUE, AND THEY DWINDLE FOR ALLOCATION, HOW MUCH OF THIS I WHAT DO YOU WANT TO PUT IN?

>> I AM PRETTY GOOD WITH ALL OF THAT BUT MY QUESTION WAS DEVELOPERS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PUTTING IN THE SIDEWALK FORMS, THERE WAS NOT A TURNING LANE PUT IN ON RUSSELL FOR THE NEW CROSS STREET ENTRANCE. THEY WERE NOT PUTTING IT IN BUT THEY USUALLY THAT IS A REQUIREMENT, I'VE BEEN TOLD.

THE ACT OF DETERMINING PUT IN, CORRECT? WHERE IS THE MONEY, IS ALLOCATED SOMEWHERE ELSE? THEY SHOULD PUT THAT MONEY TOWARDSOMETHING ELSE I WOULD THINK . OR WAS THAT ALREADY TAKEN CARE

OF? >> I WOULD HAVE TO DEFER THAT,

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HORIZONTALLY AND VERTICALLY. >> CAN WE STILL HAVE FUNDS FOR THE SIDEWALK NOW THAT WE WILL BE SHORT?

>> I UNDERSTAND, YOU DON'T HAVE A WAY, WE ARE NOT MICHAEL J FOX WITHOUT DELOREAN TIME MACHINE, BUT TO YOUR POINT, NOW THE BONDED PROGRAM IS COSTING A LOT MORE.

IF THEY HAD PAID THE MONEY TO THE COUNTY AND WE COULD USE IT TOWARDS THAT MOBILITY EXPANSIO , I KNOW SOMEWHERE I AM MAKING COURTNEY CRAZY RIGHT NOW, I COME UP WITH THESE CONCEPTS THATREALLY WE CANNOT DO . DOESN'T THAT MAKE SENSE?

>> THAT IS WHERE MASKING, TO THE FUNDS GO SOMEWHERE ELSE?

>> IT WOULD'VE COST X TO THE DEVELOPER, THE COMPANY CHOSE NOT TO PUT THAT IN AND YOU WANT TO KNOW WHERE DID X GO?

>> NOW, IT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE IT.

NOW WE ARE GOING TO BE SHORT AND YOU NEED SIDEWALKS.

>> I WILL HAVE THE ANSWER FOR YOU AT THIS TIME.

>> ANY OTHER EDIT QUESTIONS WHILE WE HAVE HIM APPEAR?

THANKS ED. >> DON'T GO TOO FAR.

>> I DID HAVE A QUESTION, BUT NOT FOR ED.

I WAS ASKING TROY IN OUR MEETING ABOUT THE PROPOSALS FOR EACH OF THE SECTORS. I WANTED TO KNOW WHERE THE LIST WAS.YOU AND I HAD A MEETING THIS MORNING ACTUALLY AND I WANTED TO KNOW IF THE LIST COMPRISING THE STUDIES IS WHERE WE ARE DRAWING FROM FOR THESE PROPOSALS.

>> SO, THE ROADS ARE ON THIS LIST ON SLIDE NINE, ONE OF THE LIST THAT THE COMMISSIONER AND ITALKED ABOUT THIS MORNING WAS THE MOBILITY FEE LIST .AS A NEW COMMISSIONER, I EXPLAINED TO HER THE FACT BACK IN THE 17 OR 18 TIMEFRAME, WE DID THE MOBILITY FEE STUDY. PRIOR TO THE STUDY, YOU DO A ROAD STUDY WHICH GIVES YOU THE AMOUNT OF TRAVEL THAT IS ON THOSE ROADS. THAT STUDY IS HOW THE MOBILITY FEE CONSULTANT COMES UP WITH THE ROADWAYS THAT COULD BE ELIGIBLE FOR MOBILITY FEE ROADS.THAT IS HONESTLY, THE ROADS WE ARE BUILDING WITH ED'S TRANSPORTATION PROJECTS WERE THE ONES THAT ROSE UP ON THAT STUDY IS BEING ALREADY DEFICIENT, OR IF YOU USED A STREETLIGHT VERSION, ONE OF THEM WAS ALREADY READ WHICH IS WHY IT IS THE FIRST LOAD ON THE BONDED TRANSPORTATION LIST, THE OTHER ROADS ARE YELLOW.

WE ARE SLATED TO DO ANOTHER ROAD COUNT STUDY FOR 23 Ã24 BUDGET YEAR BECAUSE THE 24 Ã25 BUDGET YEAR HE WOULD TO OUR NEXT MONTHLY FEE STUDY. THAT LIST MAY CHANGE.

>> YOUR OTHER TWO LISTS WERE? >> FOR THE MOBILITY FEE LIST THAT HAD TO HAVE GONE THROUGH THAT STUDY.

>> WITH THE COMMISSION WAS ASKING WAS HOW DID YOU COME UP

WITH THESE LISTS? >> 220 IS ONE OF THOSE ROADS.

ALONG THE IS ALSO ONE OF THOSE ROADS, IS THAT WHAT YOU ARE

ASKING ME? >> NOW, LET ME REPHRASE.

I WANT TO KNOW WHAT LIST YOU ARE LOOKING AT IN ORDER TO MAKE

THE PROPOSALS. >> FOR THE MOST PART, WE LOOK AT THAT MOBILITY FEE. WE ALSO HAVE AN ETF ROADLESS WHICH IS OR ADEQUATE PUBLIC FACILITIES.

THAT IS WHAT WE CALL THE ÃLINE ROAD SO IN SOME OF OUR MAPS YOU WILL SEE THOSE ROADS WHICH ARE IMPORTANT.

THEY ARE NOT THE MAGNITUDE OF THE MOBILITY FEE ROAD BUT THEY

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I THINK THE LONG DAY ROAD EXTENSION IS ONE OF THOSE ATF ROADS AS WELL. IF YOU ARE NOT FAMILIAR WITH THAT IS, ESSENTIALLY IF YOU ARE LOOKING AT ALL THE JENNINGS AND LONG DAY RIGHT NEAR FOX MEADOW IN THAT SUBDIVISION, THE LONG DAY EXTENSION IS DUE NORTH AND WILL ATTACH TO WAS IT PINE RIDGE? WHAT'S THE NAME OF THE ROAD? PINE RIDGE. IT WOULD BE ANOTHER NORTH-SOUTH CORRIDOR AND THAT PART OF THE COUNTY.WE HAVE SEVERAL DIFFERENT LISTS, GET THE MOBILITY LIST, THE EPF ROAD

LIST. >> MONEY GET TO THE IMPACT FEES IN A FEW MINUTES, WE HAVE THE LEGACY IMPACT FEE LIST WHICH WAS DIFFERENT THAN THE MOBILITY FEE LIST.

>> THAT ONE WAS FROM CIRCA 17. >> FOR CONTEXT, WHEN I WAS HAVING A CONVERSATION WITH TROY, I WANTED TO KNOW WHAT WAS ON THE LIST COULD BECAUSE THESE ARE ALL PROPOSED.

I HAVE NO WAY OF KNOWING WHAT AN OPTION.

>> WE CAN SHOW YOU THE EPF ROAD LIST, THEY DO NOT GET THE LEGACY ROAD LIST. I CAN GET A COPY OF THAT WITH YOU AND I CAN SURE THE MOBILITY ROADLESS WITH YOU.

>> AND WHATEVER MATRIX YOU USE TO DECIDE HOW TO CHOOSE THEM.

>> A LOT OF THEM, THEY HAVE TO BE IN SOME OF THESE LISTS FOR THESE FUNDS TO BE SPENT ON THEM SO THAT IS THE NUMBER ONE REASON THEY ARE CHOSEN. AND ALONG DAY EXTENSION, THEY'LL BE A SIGNIFICANT GAME CHANGER FOR THAT AREA FOR THE SOUTH CORRIDOR. BUT YES, WE CAN SHARE THAT WITH

YOU. >> THAT WOULD ACTUALLY HAVE FINANCIAL POSITIVE IMPACT TO THE COUNTIES IN OTHER WAYS.

FOR INSTANCE, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT HAS TO RESPOND THROUGH THEIR THEY DRIVE ON BUGGY WHIP WHICH IS A DIRT ROAD THAT IS BUMPY. THE FIRE POLICE STATION IS NOT GOING TO LAST AS LONG AND SAME WOULD BE TRUE WITH THE SHERIFF DEPARTMENT. LET'S NOT EVEN TALK ABOUT PEOPLE WHOFLY THROUGH THEIR . THERE ARE SOME POSITIVE IMPACTS AS WELL. YOU AND I SHARE THE EDGE OF OUR DISTRICTS SO YOU WILL TO COMPLAINTS OF PEOPLE WHO SAY THEY DON'T WANT THAT ROAD TO GO THROUGH BUT ULTIMATELY, THAT IS WHY THAT EPF PUBLIC FACILITY LIST IS CRITICAL BECAUSE THERE ARE TIMES WHEN WE JUST HAVE TO BECAUSE OF PUBLIC SAFETY IN OUR REQUIREMENT TO PROVIDE ADEQUATE PUBLIC FACILITIES.

>> IF I COULD ADD ONE MORE THING, THE ROADLESS AND MOBILITY FEE ROAD LIST, THE IMPORTANCE OF BEING ON THAT LIST AS WELL, THOSE ARE SOME THAT WE CAN "MAKE DEALS" WITH DEVELOPERS. IF THEY ARE MEETING THAT ROAD BEFORE WE ARE MEETING THAT ROAD, WE CAN DO A CREDIT WHERE IF THEY WANTED TO BUILD A ROAD, WE CAN GIVE THEM CREDIT.

THAT'S THE IMPORTANCE OF BEING ON THAT LIST AS WELL.

I WILL GET YOU ALL THOSE LISTS WE HAVE SO YOU CAN SEE HOW TO

CHOOSE. >> TO THAT POINT, ONE OF THE THINGS ON THE PROJECT LIST YOU WILL SEE THIS YEAR WE ADDED THE ROAD PROJECTS BECAUSE THAT IS A REQUIREMENT THAT WE ARE TRACKING THIS PROJECT AND WAT THE STATUS OF THE PARTIES ARE.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE BUDGET, THERE ARE PROBABLY 20 NEW ABILITY FEE PROJECT WITH NO FUNDING BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE MOBILITY DOLLARS TO FUND THOSE ROADS.

THAT LIST IS IN ONE PLACE NOW AND MAKES IT EASIER TO HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS. AND THE OTHER QUESTIONS ON

DEVELOPMENT FEES? >> I THINK WE ARE GOOD, THANKS.

>> DID YOU HAVE ONE? >> WE HAD JUST BEEN UP HERE.

[LAUGHTER]. >> THAT WAS FORCED LIKE TO GO.

>> IT WAS IN REGARDS TO LEASING.>> MADAM CHAIR, FMA, IS THE EQUIPMENT THEY USE, PARTICULARLY MOWERS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SOME OF THEM ARE VERY SPECIALIZED, BELIEVE IT OR NOT. IT'S NOT YOUR TYPICAL JOHN

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THE LEVEL AT WHICH THEY KEEP THESE FIELDS IS JUST UNDER ESPN REVELRY SPORTS. EVERY ONE OF THESE THERE ARE OVER 20 FIELDS THAT ARE THERE PTHAT ARE ABSOLUTELY IMMACULATE.

EVEN FROM THE STRIPING OF THE FIELD AND THESE ARE BASEBALL FIELDS. EVEN A TYPICAL WHERE THE CLASS MEETS THE CLAY, IT WAS PERFECTLY SMOOTH.

THEY EVEN HAVE LASER GRADERS TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA.

THAT IS HOW COMPETITIVE THESE GAMES ARE.

>> IT IS NOT JUST THAT, IT'S A SAFETY ISSUE .

DO YOU HAVE A CHILD STEP ON AN UNLEVEL PART? THEY CAN BREAK AN ANKLE. THOSE PEOPLE THAT MAINTAIN THOSE FIELDS, EITHER COUNTY EMPLOYEES OR CONTRACT OUT?

>> THEY ARE COUNTY EMPLOYEES, YES.

>> I HAVE SPENT A LOT OF TIME AT THAT FACILITY, BUT THEY WERE

REALLY GOOD. >> OUR MAINTENANCE AND PARK MAINTENANCE, AND ONE TIME THEY WERE CONTACTED OUTCOME I CAN'T REMEMBER WHERE WE ARE WITH THA , I KNEW WE HAD TO FIRE

SOMEBODY OR A COMPANY. >> WE HAVE TWO DIFFERENT MAINTENANCE, WE HAVE THE MOWING CONTRACTOR FOR NEIGHBORHOOD PARKS . YOUR DEERFIELD POINTE, OAK CREEK, AND THEIR ATHLETI FIELDS ARE AN 11 MAN CREW THAT MAINTAINS THOSE SITES. OAK LEAF, ALTHOUGH SITES, WE MAINTAIN THAT AND THE GRASS FIELDS.

WE DID NOT TAKE CARE OF - - CURRENTLY AND NO, WE DID NOT

FIRE ANYBODY. >> WE HAD A DIFFERENT MOWING

COMPANY. >> YES, WE HAD TO TERMINATE THE

MOWING CONTRACT. >> I THOUGHT I REMEMBER THAT,

BUT YOU NEVER KNOW. >> NEXT OUR IMPACT FEE LEGACY FUNDS FOR I WILL APOLOGIZE FOR THE TYPO, IT SHOULD BE DISTRICTS TWO AND THREE, NOT THREE AND FOUR.

THESE PROJECTS HAVE ALL BEEN APPROVED BY THE BOARD PREVIOUSLY, BUT I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ADDRESS THOSE AGAINFOR THEM OUT THERE . 4.6 WILL BE USED FOR 218 WITH SOME MONEY GOING TO THE BONDED ROAD PROJECT AND THE REST THE MONEY GOING TO - - DESIGN. MSI WHY NOT? THAT IS WHAT WE ARE DOING WITH THE DESIGN MONEY SO THAT IS HOW WE WILL SPEND THAT LEGACY IMPACT MONEY.

>> FOR CLARIFICATION, THERE ARE SEVEN DISTRICTS? WE HAVE DISTRICTS, WE HAVE SECTORS.

>> WITH THE OLD IMPACT FEES, THERE ARE ONLY TWO DISTRICTS, DISTRICT 2 AND THREE. THEY ARE TOTALLY INDEPENDENT.

IT HAPPENED TO BE FIVE MOBILITY FEE DISTRICTS NOT ALIGNED TO COMMISSION DISTRICS AND NOT NUMBER ONE THROUGH FIVE.

THESE ARE THE OLD IMPACT FEES AND IF ANYBODY NEEDS A COPY OF THE MAP, I AM SURE THAT REESE HAS GOT IT WITH HER AND WE CAN

PROVIDE IT LATER ON. >> THAT I CAN QUESTION FOR ME IS CAN WE STILL DO THESE TWO PROJECTS LIKE WE HAD THOUGHT

FINANCIALLY OR NOT? >> THESE TWO PROJECTS MEANING?

THE 218 ONE? >> YES, THE ONE I AM MORE

CONCERNED ABOUT. >> I WOULD DEFER TO RICHARD TO VALID NUMBERS FOR CONSTRUCTION? 7.4 MILLION IS THERE.

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>> WE JUST MET WITH THE SCHOOL BOARD REPRESENTATIVES THIS MORNING AND WILLOW SPRINGS, WHICH IS SPRING PARK ELEMENTAR , THE BREAKDOWN IS BEING WORKED OUT BY OUR LEGALDEPARTMENT AND THEIR LEGAL DEPARTMENT . THE 1.7 MILLION WILL HAVE A FAIR AMOUNT OF MONEY COMING BACK FROM THE SCHOOL.

WE HAVE ALLOCATED 1.7 MILLION TO BEGIN THE PROJECT, THE PROJECT NEED TO BE COMPLETED BY SCHOOL YEAR, AUGUST ONE OF THIS YEAR. THE SCHOOL BOARD WILL REIMBURSE US ONCE EVERYTHING IS COMPLETE. WE EXPECT THAT OUR CONTRIBUTION

WILL BE LESS THAN 1.7 MILLION. >> THAT WOULD BE AVAILABLE FOR RADAR ROAD? WE ARE ON TRACK WITH THAT.

>> WE WILL KICKOFF THE DESIGN PORTION OF THAT ONE WEEK FROM TODAY. WE HAVE SOME DECISIONS TO MAKE.

THEY WILL INVOLVE ECONOMICS AS WELL AS THE ALIGNMENT.

WE WILL CREATE ECONOMIC ISSUES AS WE TIED TO THE ROUNDABOUT AND CREATE A SIGNAL NORTH OF THE ROUNDABOUT.

>> QUESTIONS ON THERE? >> THE COST FACTOR, A LOT OF IT IS THE ADDITION OF THAT PARTICULAR INTERSECION, THE ROUNDABOUT WILL CONSIST OF COORDINATION WITH THE CDD THE TIE IN THEIR. IT'S GOING TO BE WAS SAFER, WHAT'S MORE EFFICIENT. WE NEED INPUT FROM OUR COUNTY BUILDINGS, WE HAVE AN EXISTING HEALTH DEPARTMENT THAT IS DIRECTLY IMPACTED. THERE MAY BE SOME ADDITIONAL COST AT THAT POINT, SO WE DON'T WANT THAT WAY INTO MAKING A

DECISION. >> SO THIS WILL FACTOR IN?

>> IT WILL BE A FACTOR, BUT THAT WASN'T THE SAFEST THING 20 YEARS ON THE ROAD AND IT BECOMES A GLORIFIED ENTRY FEATURE WHICH IS WHAT IT WILL BE, NO LONGER FUNCTION AS A

TRUE ROTARY. >> IF I MAY, THE ALIGNMENT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF 17, THE ROAD DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM RADAR WHICH IS PINE FOREST DRIVE, IT IS NOT LINE UP PROPERLY.

IT MATTERS A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE MAKING LEFT-HAND TURNS OFF OF 17. WE HAD A LONG DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT TOO. THEY ARE CHALLENGED AT BOTH ENDS, IT ONLY TAKES A CURVE TO THE SOUTH AS IT GOES TOWARDS THE - - CHURCH. THOSE ARE DISCUSSIONS THAT

RICHARD HAD. >> THAT ALIGNMENT I THOUGHT WAS MORE PRONOUNCED THAN IT REALLY IS.

IT'S NOT A GREAT MISALIGNMENT BETWEEN PINE ROAD.

>> THEY ATTEMPTED TO WITH THE CURRENT RRR REHABILITATION PROJECT AND WERE UNABLE TO SOLVE IT'S BEEN ANYTIME YOU RESTRICT ACCESS, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A SERIES OF PUBLIC HEARINGS. THEY WOULD HAVE - - ENTER THE PROPERTY AS THEY GOING ABOUT THE - -. THAT WOULD'VE ALREADY BEEN TAKEN CARE OF IN PREPARATION FOR RADAR ROAD EXPANSION. THEY WERE UNABLE TO PERFORM THAT IN THE PAST THREE YEARS, SO WE WILL ADDRESS IT.

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>> OTHER QUESTIONS ON THE IMPACT FEE LEGACY ROADS?

COMMISSIONER, ARE YOU OKAY WITH THAT?>> YES, WE CAN HANDLE SOME OF THE DISCUSSIONS OFF-LINE.

>> OKAY. >> THE NEXT SLIDE TALKS ABOUT YOU MOBILITY FEES, THEY ARE COLLECTED BY EACH OF THE FIVE DISTRICTS AND MUST BE AN APPROVED PROJECT, THE ORDINANCES ALLOW FOR INVESTMENT IN MASS TRANSIT AND TRAILS.

ONE OF THE THINGS ALLUDED TO EARLIER WAS THAT THE CONSIDERATION TO START YOUR MARKETING, PERCENTAGE OF THE MOBILITY FEES TRAILS, STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE ABOUT 5%. CREDIT CAN BE ISSUED FOR AN APPROVED PROJECT, WE DID NOT DO THE 10 YEAR PROJECTION ON FARMS AS WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER. THESE ARE THE PROJECTS WE ARE PROPOSING, THE NUMBERS YOU SEE OUT THERE ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE IS THAT WE GENERATE IN EACH OF THE DISTRICT OVER THE LAST 10 YEARS BASED ON OUR CURRENT PROJECTIONS.

SO, 218 WOULD BE A WE START PUTTING MONEY TOWARDS IN DISTRICT 1, AND IN DISTRICT 2 WOULD BE COUNTY ROAD 220, DISTRICT 7 WHICH IS KEYSTONE HEIGHTS WOULD BE TOWARDS OTHER - - JUST BEFORE WE ARE PROJECTING 61 MILLION OF THAT TO GO IN THE NEXT 10 YEARS, 29 MILLION HAS BEEN ALLOCATED TOWARD THE BONDED ROAD PROJECTS AND OAKLEY IS ABOUT $21 MILLION AND WE PROPOSING PUTTING THE MONEY TOWARDS COUNTY ROAD 220

AT MAXEY ROAD. >> THIS IS A PART OF THE COSMO ? THE COSMOS TO PINE TREE?

>> IT WOULD BE PUTTING MONIES WERE STARTING TO CONSTRUCT THE

PART OUT. >> THAT IS AT THIS POINT, WE HAVE THE FOUR IN, THERE WERE SOME INQUIRIES RIGHT NOW BY 30

. >> THAT IS IN ANOTHER LIST, OUR GRANT LIST. IT HAS LED TO 18 PROJECT ON IT,

THAT THE REAL ONE AND. >> AND ON STATE ROUTE 100, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IS COME OUT OF MEETINGS ON THE BLACK STREET PROJECT, ONCE IT IS TURNED ON IS THAT THEY ARE CULVERTS THAT RUN UNDER SEVERAL HUNDRED AT THE WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT HAS NOT STARTED TALKING WITH DOT ABOUT.

THAT MAY BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO BRING THOSE UP TO THE POINT WHERE THEY NEED TO BE. THIS IS WHERE WATER HAS NOT RUN IN 30, 40, 50 YEARS AND THEY EXPECT WATER TO NEED TO GO

THROUGH. >> I DON'T THINK YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO USE THIS MONEY FOR THAT MAN, THIS MONEY NEEDS TO BE USED FOR CAPACITY IMPROVEMENTS FOR THE ROAD.

IT WAS TO DO THE DESIGN TO FOUR-LANE 100 AT SOME POINT.

>> THE WAY THEY MADE IT SOUND, ONCE WATER STARTS GOING THROUGH THESE CULVERTS, IT COULD COMPROMISE, MAYBE WE CAN LOOK AT THAT. IT IS JUST A THOUGHT.

>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? >> IF I COULD, IN TERMS OF COUNTY ROAD 220. I KNOW WE ARE TAKING CARE OF IT FROM BAXLEY TO HANLEY WITH BONDED TRANSPORTATION COSTS,

RIGHT? >> I WOULD GET RICHARD OR ED TO COME UP ON THAT ONE. COUNTY ROAD 220, AT THE END, THE END GOAL WAS TO MAKE IT THREE OR FOUR LANES.

AT THIS POINT IN TIME, THESE GUYS ARE THE DISCUSSIONS MORE

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WOULD BE YOUR BEST ANSWER. >> THE BONDED TRANSPORTATION PROGRAM, IS THAT FROM BAXLEY TO HANLEY? OR SHORT OF FAMILY BECAUSE OF THE INTERSECTION THE STATE WILL

BE INVOLVED WITH? >> YES, IT RUNS ALL THE WAY SHORT OF HANLEY ON THE BEST SIDE, THAT IS CORRECT.

AGAIN, THE FOUR-LANE SIDEWALK WITH THE CENTER LANE.

AS FAR AS THE FUNDING, TERESA IS RIGHT.

WE COLLECTIVELY WORK WITH OMB, HERE'S WHAT WE KNOW WITH CONSTRUCTION COST, WHAT ARE THE VARIOUS FUNDING SOURCES FOR PROJECT NUMBER FIVE? IT DOES HAVE A SIGNIFICANT PORTION OF THE ACTUAL CONSTRUCTION FUNDED BY MOBILITY FEES. THAT IS THE BRAND - - ABILITY FEEL THE DISTRICT AND THOSE FUNDS CAN BE USED ON SOME OF

THE OTHER PROJECTS. >> I GUESS THAT IS WHERE MY CONFUSION, WE HAVE YOU ANY NUMBER OF THINGS WE SAW TODAY FOR COUNTY ROAD 220, I THINK WE HAVE COVERAGE FROM BAXLEY TO HANLEY. NOW, THE STATE IS DETERMINING THE QUADRANT INTERSECTION AND WHAT PART OF THE HELPING US

WITH? >> THAT, I WILL HAVE TO DEFER TO RICHARD AS A PART OF THE BOND.

>> IT COMES OUT OF A DIFFERENT POCKET, I UNDERSTAND THAT.

>> THAT PORTION OF 220 IS BEING FUNDED THROUGH THE TPO AND DOT LAB PROJECT. WITH THOSE FUNDS BEING AVAILABLE, THEY WILL BE AVAILABLE IN JULY 24.

IT SHOULD BE SOONER, BUT IT DEPENDS ON THE ACQUISITION.

THERE ARE A COUPLE PIECES OF RIGHT AWAY THE DOT IS WORKING TOWARDS. THE CHURCHES, DOLLAR GENERAL, THERE ARE A FEW HOLDOUTS TO COMPLETE THE PROJECT.

THAT WILL INCLUDE AN UPGRADE AND EXPANSIONREPLACEMENT OF THE BRIDGE THERE . THAT IS ONE OF OUR MOST EFFICIENT BRIDGES, IS THE ONCE INSPECTED EVERY SIX MONTHS.

>> SO IT WILL BE FOUR LANES TO TWO ALL THE WAY UP THE QUADRANT

INTERSECTION? >> CORRECT.

WE HAVE A RRR PROJECT WE ARE BROKEN INTO 11 COMPONENTS WHICH IS FUNDED BY THE CIP FUNDS. IT WAS UNDERFUNDED BECAUSE IT WAS BASED ON EARLIER DOLLARS FROM 2019 ESTIMATES.

WE ARE THE DESIGNER BREAKING INTO 11 COMPONENTS WHICH BOIL DOWN TO INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS, OVERLAY AND BRIDGE IMPROVEMENTS. THIS COULD BE ANOTHER SOURCE TO HANDLE THE CURRENT RRR, WE CAN DO THREE OF THOSE COMPONENTS FOR THIS MAY BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET SOME OF THOSE COMPLETED.

>> WE COULD BRING BACK A MAP O THE 20 AND LAYOUT WITH THE FUNDING STREAM WOULD BE ON 220 .

IT BECOMES VERY COMPLICATED BECAUSE YOU PROBABLY HAVE 8 TO 10 DIFFERENT, OR MORE PIECES IN DIFFERENT ELEMENTS.

WE WORKED ON THE MAP EARLIER, WE CAN TAKE THAT OFF, BRUSH BACK BRING IT BACK TO YOU AND SAY PEOPLE BRING THAT HERE, HERE'S THE COST AND HOW WE ARE FUNDING IT, IF THAT WOULD

PLEASE THE BOARD. >> I THINK I WOULD HELP

EVERYBODY. >> IT IS TRULY NOW IN LEGAL SITUATION WITH THE RIGHT-OF-WAY ACQUISITION AND A FUNDING STREAM. THERE WILL BE THE FIRST PROJECT YOU SEE GO THERE LEFT FOR PROCUREMENT IN THE NEXT 14 TO 21 DAYS. THAT IS THE LAKESHORE DRIVE WEST INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS WHICH INCLUDES A NEW SIGNAL AND SOME MEDIAN CLOSURES IN THAT AREA.

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YOU SEE A LOT OF - - PLANNING BOULEVARD DONE IN TWO PHASES FROM STATE ROUTE 23 S. TO 218 WHICH TOOK AND A LOT OF YEARS AND WILL BE IN A SITUATION LIKE THAT FOR THE NEXT FEW YEARS ON COUNTY ROAD 220 BEGINNING PROBABLY JULY OF THIS YEAR.

>> ONE OTHER THING, I DON'T SEE IT ON ANY OF THE LISTS IN TERMS OF LANDING TO 20 FROM WHITEY'S EASTBOUND 17,?

>> IT IS A DOT STATE WANT, THEY THINK IT IS NECESSARY.

THE 220 PROJECT IS THE NUMBER TWO RATED PROJECT IN THE REGION. JUST BEFORE NORMANDY BOULEVARD EXPANSION STATE ROAD TO 28. IT'S A VERY IMPORTANT CORRIDOR TO THEM, PROJECT NUMBER TWO IS TO GET IT OUT TO BLANDING IN LITTLE ROCK HIGH SCHOOL. THE LANDING ON THE EAST AND IS A NATURAL EXPANSION IN THEIR EYES.

>> I GUESS MY ISSUE IS WE HAVE NOT SEEN IT MENTIONED BECAUSE QUITE HONESTLY, THEY USUALLY ENTER THE WORK PROGRAM IN YEAR FIVE. WE MOVE FORWARD FROM THERE EVERY YEAR WILL THAT SKIP THAT PROCESS?

WILL BE FASTER THAN THAT? >> WE HAVE A LEVEL OF OPTIMISM

FROM FUNDING IT SEEMS LIKE. >> THERE SEEMS TO BE DEBATE OVER, LISTENING TO THE TPO BOARD MEETING AND LAST WEEK THE TPO BOARD MEETING - - DID NOT HAVE THE DISCUSSION.

THERE WAS DISCUSSION THE PREVIOUS ONE ABOUT THE 10% THAT THE GOVERNOR SAID HE WAS GOING TO PULL FORWARD FOR ROAD PROJECTS AND THE FACT THAT NONE OF THAT MONEY WAS COMING TO DISTRICT TO, AND THERE WAS, DOT WAS TRYING TO MAKE THE ARGUMENT THAT YOU ALREADY GET A LARGER PERCENTAGE OF THE ALLOCATION OF THE DOT BUDGET AND THE OTHER DISTRICTS.

THERE WERE OTHER PEOPLE IN THE ROOM WITH THE KNOWLEDGE THAT WERE DOING THE MATH AND SAYING NO, THAT IS NOT TRUE.

THERE SEEMS TO BE A DEBATE OVER MONEY RIGHT NOW.

>> I DON'T WANT TO TIRES UP IN THE ROAD TALK SITUATION, BUT ONE OF THE PROBLEMS THAT WE HAVE IS TO COUNT MONEY ALLOCATED TO BUILD STATE ROAD 23 TOWARDS THE OVERALL NUMBER OF DOLLARS THAT WE GET. THAT WAS THEIR IDEA, WE SHOULD REALLY DISCOUNT THAT IN TERMS OF OTHER DOLLARS THEY ARE SPENDING HERE. I THINK YOU WILL GET A MAP WHICH MAKES IT A LITTLE EASIER TO PUT UP WITH THE - - RELIEF.

I APPRECIATE THAT. >> TO BE CLEAR, WE ARE RRR AND IT DOES NOT INCLUDE ANY PROVISIONS OF LAND EXPANSION ON THAT PORTION OF 220. AT RRR GOES FROM U.S. 17 W. TO THE - - CREEK. THAT IS JUST TO IMPROVE THE EXISTING CONDITIONS OF THE CURRENT FOUR-LANE SECTION.

>> OKAY, THANK YOU. >> BONDED IS UP NEXT ADD, YOU

MAY NOT WANT TO LEAVE. >> WE TALKED ABOUT THE MONEY MUST BE SPENT BY MARCH 2025 INCHES REVENUE, WE HAVE GENERATED 1.2 BILLION WHICH IS WHAT WE PROJECTED.

WE ARE SUPPLEMENTING THAT BY MOBILITY AND IMPACT FEES WHICH WE DISCUSSED. ONE OF THE CONVERSATION TOPICS HAS BEEN, DO YOU USE MORE MOBILITY FEES TO SUPPLEMENT THE PROJECTS IN LAKE ASBERRY? WHILE THAT MAY BE AFTER 2025 BECAUSE YOU'VE THE WAY TO GENERATE THEM, OR ARE THERE OTHER PROJECTS THAT WE WOULD PREFER TO BE DONE IN THE LAKE ASBERRY AREA WHICH MAY BE REFLECTED ON YOUR PROJECT SHEETS? ENTER KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE BONDED ROADS.

>> ANY QUESTIONS ON BONDED ROADS OR ADDITIONAL MOBILITY

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HOOK. >> THE NEXT SECTION TALKS ABOUT IMPACTFEES . THEN YOU IMPACT FEES WE CREATED, THE INFRASTRUCTURE ONCE, THEY ARE COLLECTED BASED ON EACH USE, SIX USES.THEY MUST BE USED ON AN APPROVED PROJECT AS OUTLINED IN THE IMPACT FEE PLAN.

CREDITS CAN BE ISSUED FOR AN APPROVED PROJECT SIMILAR TO MOBILITY FEES AND GIVE A 10 YEAR PROJECTION FUNDS AS WE HAVE DISCUSSED. AGAIN, WE ARE LOOKING AT THE 10 YEARS AND WHAT FEES YOU WOULD GENERATE.THE ADMINISTERED IF HE WOULD GENERATE A $0.3 BILLION, THE PROPOSAL IS TO USE THAT IN THE WAREHOUSE, PLANS FOR A NEW JAIL IN THE OUTER YEARS AND NEW MODELING THIRD FLOOR.

FIRE RESCUE, ABOUT 18.9 MILLIO .

WE ARE USING THAT FOR THE PARTIAL FUNDING OF THE FIRE STATIONS, THE WAREHOUSE, FUNDING AND POTENTIALLY PROPERTY FROM THE PUBLIC SAFETY DEMONSTRATION COMPLEX.

THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE GENERATES 14.3.

HE WOULD USE IT FOR THE WAREHOUSE, THE FACILITY AND VEHICLES WHICH WE DO NOT LIST ON THEIR.

LIBRARIES AND CULTURE, 5.2 MILLION OVER THE NEXT 10 YEARS.

WE DID NOT OPPOSE PROJECTS BECAUSE THERE ARE - - CULTURAL COUNCIL. THAT WOULD BE A NATURAL PLACE FOR THE RECOGNITION TO COME OUT OF.

I WOULD STOP HERE AND SAY, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT THE SHERIFF TO SPEAK TO THIS SECTION OR FIRE DEPARTMENT SPEAK TO THEIR SECTION BEFORE WE GET TO COMMUNITY PROJECTS.

>> SHARE, WOULD YOU LIKE TO GO FIRST OR WOULD YOU LIKE FIRE TO GO FIRST? CHIEF, ARE YOU READY TO GO?

DO YOU WANT TO LEAD THE WAY? >> I WOULD PROBABLY TAKE QUESTIONS FROM YOU ALL AS YOU HAVE THAT RELATIVE TO THE AREA . THE SPREADSHEET GIVES A FAIRLY GOOD REPRESENTATION OF WHAT WE WERE ABLE TO FIT IN.

THIS IS SPECIFIC TO THE AREA ON THE IMPACT FEES.

IT IS PROPORTIONAL FUNDING FOR THAT IS A LOCATION THAT WE TALKED ABOUT. TIMING BASED ON WHERE WE WERE FOR IMPACT FEES AND DEMAND CURVE IS PROBABLY NOT OPTIMAL.

IT WAS A DESIGN BASED ON WHERE WE CAN FUND THEM BASED ON THE

DEMAND CURVE. >> I NOTICED THAT TOO.

I THINK TOWARDS THE LOWER END YOU WILL GET DEMAND FROM, FOR INSTANCE CLAY HILL WITH INDUSTRIAL CONSTRUCTION OUT AT 218 AND 301, THERE WILL HAVE TO BE I IMAGINE 13 CAN I COVER

THAT WHOLE STRETCH. >> IS EXTENDING WHAT 13 CAN DO.

THE DESIGN AS ROTATED FROM IMPACT FEES IS TO SHIFT 13 FURTHER WEST AND PUT THAT MIDDLEBURG WEST STATION IN THE DEMAND YESTERDAY CERTAINLY CALLED FOR IT IN A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME BUT THE DEMAND ON 301 IS CERTAINLY APPLICABLE.

WE DESIGNED IT BACK TO THE INSURANCE SERVICES - - UNLIKE WHAT WE SAW IN THE AREA OF THE COUNTY SOME YEARS AGO AND IN NEITHER CASE IS THAT LIMITING. IT'S ACTUALLY GROWING AS THE INSURANCE BILLS COME IN FOR THOSE PEOPLE.

WATER SUPPLY HAS TO DO - - NEW DEVELOPMENTS THERE THERE BEYOND THE 5 MILE DRIVING DISTANCE, THAT APPRECIATION WITHOUT SOME PLANS TO GET THAT STATION IN A LITTLE BIT EARLIER ON A

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LAYS IT OUT. >> OTHER QUESTIONS ON FIRE OR CHIEF? THANK YOU, CHIEF.

I DO NOT CALLING FOR VEHICLES,. >> IT IS SET BY WHERE THE BOARD HAD PLACED THAT IN THE PAST AND UTILIZE THAT.

I THINK I WOULD ECHO WITH THE SHERIFF SAID AND I SOMEWHAT HAD TO GO BACK TO THE COMMISSIONER BECAUSE FRANKLY IF YOU GAVE ME AN OLD DIESEL ENGINE WITH NONE OF THE MISSION CONTROLS ON IT AND A STANDARD TRANSMISSION, I WOULD HAVE TO RE-HIRE PEOPLE TO DRIVE THAT. I THINK WE WOULD SEE BETTER LONGEVITY THAN TRADITIONAL DIESEL ENGINES PRIOR TO THE IMPLEMENTATION OFTHE CONTROL SYSTEMS .

MUCH GREATER SERVICE LIFE AND THE PROBLEM WITH AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION GOVERN AND CONTROL WITH SHIP SETS THE FC MAINTENANCE COST AT TIMES SPIRAL BEYOND WHAT WE RECENTLY HAVE SAID FOR WHERE WE WOULD REPLACE THE UNIT.

IT IS NOT POSSIBLE TO GET A VERY LARGE PIECE OF FIRE APPARATUS IN THEIR IN SOME FORM OF GLITCH OR THING THAT CANNOT BE MODIFIED WITH ANY PART OF REPAIRS AND SAY THAT HAVE TO BE REPLACED PASSIONATELY WITHIN THE PAST.

A FEW YEARS AGO WE WERE BUYING PREDOMINANTLY DIESEL ENGINES FOR OUR RESCUE UNITS. THE LIMITATION OF THE EMISSIONS CONTROL WHICH EVERYBODY KNOWS NOW, THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH THREE CYCLES TO INCREASE THE TEMPERATURE OF THE ENGINES AND CLEAN OUT THE SYSTEMS. UNFORTUNATELY FOR VEHICLES THAT OPERATE WITH COLD START GOING PRETTY QUICKLY, DO NOT GO THROUGH THOSEREGION CYCLES . IN A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME, THEY HAVE TO RESPOND. IT PROBABLY MAKES MORE SENSE THERE BUT WE HAVE SEEN TECHNOLOGY NOT ASSIST US UNFORTUNATELY IN THAT REALM. WE HAVE CONVERTED TO BACK ENGINES, BACK TO GASOLINE POWERED ENGINES TO TRY AND IMPROVE THAT MAINTENANCE AND TIME CYCLE ON IT.

WHILE WE HAVE A SET REPLACEMENT SCHEDULE, TO LIVE ON A SLIDING SCALE BASED ON WHERE WE SEE MODERN VEHICLES NOW BEING BOTH AVAILABLE AND WHAT PERFORMANCE WE HAVE SEEN WITH THEM.

>> ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT FIRE VEHICLES BEFORE THE SHERIFF

COMES UP? >> YOU WANT TO GO BACK TO STANDARD TRANSMISSION AND DIESEL TRUCKS.

I WILL GO BACK TO DRIVING THEM. >> I HAVEN'T BROUGHT YOU PHOTOGRAPHIC EVIDENCE OF PRIOR EQUIPMENT WITH PEERS IN YEARS GONE BY WHICH IS MORE EFFICIEN .

>> I CAN DRIVE A STICK, MY DAD THOUGHT THAT WAS WHAT YOU HAD

TO LEARN ON. >> OUR SUSPECT IF WE DID THAT WITH THE TIME IT WOULD TAKE TO TRAIN IT, REPLACEMENT OF CLUTCHES MAYBE SOME ENGINES WOULD ALSO INCREASE THE MAINTENANCE CYCLE SO IT IS PROBABLY NOT A PERFECT SOLUTIO

. >> PROBABLY NOT.>> SHERIFF MICHELLE COOK. FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU FOR HAVING US HERE. BEFORE I GET INTO ANY DETAILS, I JUST WANTED TO SHOW YOU A GRAPHIC THAT WAS DONE IN 2013 THAT SHOWED CLAY COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE OPERATIONS CENTER. WHILE THE COUNTY WAS IT WAS VERY DIFFICULT TIMES FINANCIALLY, I UNDERSTAND THAT WHAT I WILL TELL YOU IS WE HAVE TO MOVE FORWARD, WEAVING THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE. I PROVIDED YOU ALL A POWERPOINT YESTERDAY THAT SHOWS ALL OF THE BUILDINGS THAT WE CURRENTLY MAINTAIN AND THE SOFT COST WE ARE ABLE TO PUT TOGETHER IS ABOUT $1 MILLION A YEAR TO MAINTAIN THESE OVER 20 BUILDINGS. I DID SHARE ALSO WITH YOU WHAT

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THE CAMPUS STYLE CONCERT MOVING FORWARD IS SPOT ON AND I WANTED YOU ALL TO SEE THE VISION. I WILL TELL YOU AGAIN THAT WE ARE VERY FLEXIBLE AND VERY FLUID AND ABSOLUTELY COOPERATIVE WITH THE COUNTY AND TRYING TO MAINTAIN THE BALANCE OF SHERIFF'S OFFICE NEEDS, FIRE NEEDS AND COUNTY NEEDS, CITIZEN NEEDS, ALL OF THAT. WE HAVE TO MOVE FORWARD.

WE ARE WORKING WITH THE TEAM AND DISCUSSING VARIOUS OPTIONS OF WHAT I COULD LOOK LIKE CAME TO THE IDEA OF A CAMPUS STYLE COMPLEX AND BUILDING A SHERIFF'S OFFICE OPERATIONS CENTER WHICH WE CAN MOVE MANY OF OUR PERSONNEL TO AND REPURPOSE THE REMAINDER OF THE SPACE IN OUR CURRENT BUILDING TO GEL SPACE WHICH IN THE SHORT TERM WOULD BE MUCH LESS EXPENSIVE AND GET IS PROBABLY ANOTHER 5 TO 7 YEARS.

WE ARE OPEN TO THAT BECAUSE JAILS ARE SO EXPENSIVE RIGHT NOW AND WE HAVE A LOT OF NEEDS. THE ONE THING I DID TALK TO CHIEF ABOUT WAS THE 9-1-1 CENTER IS LISTED ON THEIR.

THAT IS NOT A HUGE PRIORITY FOR ME, ABSOLUTELY THE WEEKEND IS THE EMPEROR LOCATE THE OTHER MEMBERS OF THE COUNTY .

THAT IS NOT A HUGE PRIORITY FOR ME RIGHT NOW ADDING THE ADDITIONAL JAIL SPACE IS MY PRIORITIES.

I'M OPEN TO ANY QUESTIONS. >> I READ SOMEWHERE IF USING A POWERPOINT THEY MAY LOSE THE ABILITY AND ONE OF THE STORAGE FACILITIES DUE TO SALE OF THE PROPERTY.

>> THE PERSON ALLOWS US TO STORE ITEMS FOR FREE IS AN INTERSTATE AND IS HAD IT UP FOR SALE.

AS SOON AS INTERSTATE GOES ONLINE IT'S AMATTER OF TIME .

WE HAVE QUITE A BIT OF THEIR.

>> THE SECOND QUESTION I HAVE THE FULL EXPECT DISCUSSION THE CLAY COUNTY SCHOOL SYSTEM AND POLICE FORCE IN THE NEAR FUTUR , I AM HOPING THAT HAPPENS. WHAT KIND OF CHANGE WHAT I GIVE TO YOU?AS A CLAY COUNTY SHERIFF.

>> IF WE WERE TO TAKE THAT BACK OVER? I AM NEITHER ADVOCATING FOR NOR AGAINST US ARE.

IF WE WERE, AND AS TO THE NUMBERS.

COULD WE DO IT? SURE, WE COULD DO IT.

WE'VE BEEN DOING IT BEFORE. IT WOULD ADD TO THE NUMBERS WHICH IS PER THE DISCUSSION WE HAD ABOUT HOW MANY SQUARE FEET WE NEED NOW VERSUS HOW MANY FOR THE FUTURE, REALLY PLANNING FOR THE FUTURE THROUGH THE PROPERTY PURCHASE AND THE CAMPUS STYLE COMPLEX. IT ALLOWS YOU TO PUT MORE BUILDINGS ON THE PROPERTY THAT YOU ALREADY OWN.

THAT WOULD BE ADDITIONAL PERSONNEL VEHCLES, PART OF THE CONVERSATION AND DISCUSSION WITH THE SCHOOL BOARD.

PART OF THAT MONEY IS REIMBURSABLE BACK TO THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE. AS FAR AS SPACE NEEDS, MINUS A FEW ADMIN PEOPLE, PROBABLY A HANDFUL OR HALF A DOZEN ADMIN PEOPLE NEEDED TO RUN THAT PARTICULAR DIVISION.

>> WHAT I'M HEARING YOU SAY IS THAT IT WOULD HAVE MINIMAL IMPACT ON THE CIP OR TENURE CIP?

>> VEHICLES WOULD BE THE LARGEST IMPACT.

>> THAT WOULD BE ACCOMMODATED TO BUDGET TRANSFER?

>> AS FAR AS SPACE NEEDS, I CANNOT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD OTHER THAN THE ADMINISTRATION SPACE NEEDED FOR THE HANDFUL PEOPLE THAT RUN THE DIVISION, I CAN'T THINK OF ANYTHING THAT

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STANDS OUT TO ME. >> THANK YOU.

>> SHERIFF, ON A PLAN, IT SAYS NEW JAIL PLANS.

WHEN I WAS LISTENING TO YOUR PRIORITIES, ITSOUNDS LIKE YOU WOULD RATHER US NOT NECESSARILY SPEND THE MONEY THERE .

WE WOULD NEED TO DO PLANS TO BUILD OUT THE CURRENT NEW FACILITY AND CONVERSION. YOU NEED PLANS BUT NOT NECESSARILY A BRAND-NEW JAIL PLAN.

>> WHAT I AM SAYING IS THAT THIS POINT WE HAVE COMPETING NEEDS AND I AM WILLING TO SIT DOWN AND DISCUSS ALL OPTIONS AND THE CONVERSATION LED TO WHAT WE WERE ABLE TO MOVE YOUR PERSONNEL OUT OF THE MAIN ADMIN BUILDING IN DOWNTOWN AND CONSOLIDATE A COUPLE OF THE OTHER BUILDINGS YOU HAVE, MANY OF THE OTHER BUILDINGS THAT YOU HAD.

SOME OF THOSE BUILDINGS THAT WE CURRENTLY OCCUPYOUR PRIME REAL ESTATE LOCATIONS . IN THE CONVERSATION LED TO IF WE COULD GET OUT OF THOSE BUILDINGS HAVING OPERATIONS COMPLEX THAN THAT COUNTY COULD POTENTIALLY REPURPOSE OR SELL THOSE PROPERTIES TO PAY FOR A NEW JAIL.THE STATEMENT I'M MAKING IT TODAY IS WE'VE GOT TO BE MORE EFFICIENT IN OPERATIONS? WE NEED TO EXPAND AND I AM WILLING TO COOPERATE WITH THE COUNTY IN MAKING THE DECISIONS GOING FORWARD IN THE BEST INTEREST OF EVERYBODY.

BUT, WE HAVE SOME PRETTY SEVERE NEEDS THAT WE HAVE GOT TO START MOVING FORWARD. PUTTING 20 PEOPLE OVER HERE WERE 10 PEOPLE OVER HERE IS NOT THE WAY TO DO BUSINESS.

>> QUESTIONS FOR THE SHERIFF? >> SHERIFF, LOOKING AT YOUR POWERPOINT WITH THE FACILITIES THAT YOU ARE OCCUPYING NOW, BECAUSE SOME OF THEM ARE SO DIFFERENT, IT IS A LITTLE BIT MORE DIFFICULT TO SAY THAT WE WILL BUILD X NUMBER OF SQUARE FEET FOR OFFICE. YOU HAVE STORAGE, YOUR SPECIAL OPERATIONS AND SUBSTATIONS WHAT PERCENTAGE OF WHAT YOU HAVE NOW WOULD HAVE TO BE KEPT IF WE DID FIND YOU A PLACE TO BUILD THE FACILITY? OBVIOUSLY SOME OF THOSE COULD ALSO BE REPLACED AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE WHETHER IT WAS A SHOCK FOR YOUDURING YOUR MAINTENANCE AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS . GIVE US A THOUGHT IN YOUR MIND'S EYE IS AND WHAT REALLY OCCUPIES THE MOST PEOPLE? ARE WE KEEPING THE SUBSTATION IN MIDDLEBURG FOR EXAMPLE? I'M NOT SURE WHAT YOUR THOUGHTS ARE ON IT.

>> THE VISION IS AN OPERATIONS COMPLEX FOR THE MAJORITY OF THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE OPERATIONS ARE LOCATED.

WHEN I SAY THAT, I'M TALKING ABOUT THE ADMINISTRATIVE9-1-1 CALL CENTER , THE DIVISION POTENTIALLY PUTTING FLEET MAINTENANCE OVER STORAGE SUPPLY, ALL THE THINGS WE HAVE SPREAD ALL OVER. THE VISION THAT INCLUDES APPROACHING BUSINESSES WITHIN THE COMMUNITY ABOUT WORKING SUBSTATIONS THAT CAN PAY A NOMINAL FEE TO BE THERE TO MODULATE THE PRESENCE OF LAW ENFORCEMENT.

IT'S A MODEL I'VE SEEN USED AROUND THE COUNTRY.

OUR DEPUTIES CAN DO ROLL CALL THEIR, IT'S A MEDIUM-SIZE MULTIPURPOSE ROOM. HAVING THOSE WORKING SUBSTATIONS IN PART OF THE COUNTY AND THE ORANGE PARK AREA SOMEWHERE SOUTH OF GREEN COVE AND PARTNERING WITH BUSINESSES AND LARGER STRIP MALLS AND BUSINESSES AND CAN BE USED FOR A WORKING SUBSTATION. THAT IS THE VISION.THEY DON'T SPEND A LOT OF TIME IN THERE ANYWAY.

THEY COME IN, GET THE PAPERWORK, MEET WITH THE SUPERVISOR THEN HIT THE STREET AND SOME FOLKS COULD HELP PEOPLE OBTAIN COPIES OF REPORTS OR FINGERPRINTS OR STUFF LIKE

THAT. >> IN TERMS OF THE SIZE OF THESE BUILDINGS, USUALLY CONSTRUCTION IS LOOKED AT AND

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ADMIN SIDE? >> RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE, WE ARE PROPOSING AT LEAST 100,000 FT.B2.

NOW, THAT 100,000 FT.B2 COULD B TWO DIFFERENT BUILDINGS, THREE DIFFERENT BUILDINGS. IT REALLY DEPENDS ON, AS LONG AS THEY WERE CLOSE TOGETHER, I GO BACK TO THE CAMPUS STYLE, IF WE HAD ALL OF OUR DETECTIVES IN ONE BUILDING, I DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO BE IN THE SAME HALLWAY KIND OF THING.

IDEALLY, AN OPERATIONS BUILDING WHICH IS 50 TO 75,000 FT.B2, PTALKING ABOUT EXPANDING, AND THE SECOND OPERATIONS BUILDING AND ONE THIRD BUILDING WHERE THE CONSOLIDATED COMMUNICATION CENTER, TRAINING CENTER, ALL OF THE SPACES THAT WE CAN SHARE WITH PUBLIC SAFETY, I AT A MINIMUM NEED ABOUT 100,000 FT.

. VICKI, I KNOW YOU GAVE ME THE SQUARE FOOTAGE. RIGHT NOW OUR TOTAL SQUARE FOOTAGE THAT WE USE RIGHT NOW, THIS IS JUST FOR THE OPERATIONS CENTER, THE ORANGE PARK SUBSTATION WHERE A VAST - - SUBSTATION CONTROL AND SUB - - BILLING 500 QUAIL COMMUNITY CENTER, FIVE UNITS AT DAVID STORAGE THAT WE HAVE AN GOVERNORS CREEK BOAT RAMP THAT WE HAVE STORAGE IS 96,113 FT.B.

THAT IS WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW. >> THAT ENCOMPASSES DAVID PRIGHT? IT ENCOMPASSES THE DAVID WRIGHT MEMORIAL AND NOT THE DETENTION FACILITY.

ORANGE PARK SUBSTATION, BUILDING 500, QUAIL COMMUNITY CENTER, GOVERNORS CREEK MARINA AND DAVID STORAGE.

>> I CAN GET YOU A COPY OF THA .

>> DOES 96,000 FT.B2 RIGHT NOW. >> YOU ALL ARE TIGHT AND SOME

OF THOSE? >> TO SAY THE LEAST.

>> DEPENDING TO YOUR QUESTION ABOUT WHAT YOU COULD PUT THEIR, WE HAVE A LOT OF OTHER BUILDINGS THAT WE COULD POTENTIALLY MOVE OVER THERE, JUST DEPENDING.

THE OTHER CHALLENGE THAT WE ARE LOOKING SQUARE IN THE EYE RIGHT NOW IS THE PROPERTY WITHOUT - - SOMETHING IT EVIDENCE, WE CAN JUST, THERE IS RETENTION TIME THAT WE HAVE TO HOLD.

WE ARE GETTING MORE PROPERTY, THAT IS GOING AS WELL.

DEPENDING ON HOW MUCH SPACE WAS GIVEN IS A STRATEGIC DECISION ON WHO TO MOVE WHERE, WHEN TO MOVE.

IF YOU GUYS HAVE YOU WANT YOU OUT OF THE ORANGE PARK BUILDING BECAUSE WE PLAN TO DO THIS WITH IT THAT WE WILL MOVE THEM FIRST. IT ALL GOES BACK TO WE ARE OPEN

AND WE HAVE GOT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH A LONG-TERM SOLUTION.>>

ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? >> IN YEARS ONE THROUGH TWO, WE HAVE ONE FOR $5 MILLION SET ASIDE TO BUILD OUT ONLY 500 THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE. IN YEARS TWO THROUGH SIX, WE HAVE APPROXIMATELY 18 MILLION SET ASIDE FOR THE 9-1-1/TRAINING CENTER. IN YEARS FOUR THROUGH EIGHT, WE SET ASIDE $24.5 MILLION FOR THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, THAT FIRST BUILDING THE SHERIFF DISCUSSED. IN YEARS 10 THROUGH 11, WE HAVE

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IN YEARS 205, WE HAVE 2.5 MILLION SET ASIDE FOR THE WAREHOUSE. THAT IS HOW EVERYTHING IS LAID OUT TODAY. STAFF IS READY TO TAKE ANY OF THAT FEEDBACK AND PUT INTO THE PLAN.

>> JOHN, WOULD YOU LIKE TO TALK TO US ABOUT THE WAREHOUE BEFORE GETTING INTO A DISCUSSION OF THE PRIORITIES?

>> GOOD MORNING EVERYONE, JOHN WARD DIRECTOR OF MANAGEMENT AND THE COUNTY. HE WILL BRING SHERIFF COOK UP ALSO TO DISCUSS THIS. WE HAVE BEEN DISCUSSING THE STORAGE NEEDS HERE IN THE COUNTY FOR MANY YEARS.

IN FACT, ONE OF THE BUILDING THAT SHERIFF COOK IS TALKED ABOUT IS THE BUILDING WE WERE ATTEMPTING TO PROCURE AND THE COBRA CARES ACT. HISTORICALLY, OVER THE PAST 15 YEARS, WHENEVER WE HAVE HAD SIGNIFICANT EVENTS AND GET COMMODITIES FROM FEMA OR ANYTHING ON THOSE LINES, WE WOULD STORE THEM IN EXHIBIT BUILDING ONE WHICH IS 10,000 SQUARE-FOOT MODERATELY CONTROLLED FACILITY.

WE WOULD HAVE TO GIVE THOSE AWAY AND GET RID OF THE COMMODITIES. AS FAR AS THE NEED FOR PREPAREDNESS, WITH THE AMOUNT OF EQUIPMENT WE GOT FOR A RESPONSE, - - SHERIFF, YOU ARE IN THE AREA OF 40 TO 50 AT CURRENT NEED. AS WE CONTINUE TO GROW, MORE ESPECIALLY, IS NEEDED FOR OUR AREA, SO WE HAVE BEEN TARGETING 100,000 SQUARE-FOOT, MAJORITY ARE CLIMATE CONTROLLED PUBLICAN PULLEYS FOR THE TRAILER ASSETS. THAT IS WHERE WE'RE AT RIGHT NOW, I CAN SPEAK FOR PUBLIC SAFETY EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT, WE HAVE FOUR DIFFERENT FACILITIES THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY AND WE ALSO HIDE STUFF AND FIRE STATIONS AS PERMITTED.

I THINK THERE ARE 68 FACILITIES TO WORK THROUGH.

>> WE HAVE STORAGE ALL OVER THE PLACE.

WE ALSO HAVE OUR SUPPLY UNIT. HOW MANY SQUARE FEET IS A SUPPLY UNIT THAT WE RENT? 5000 FT.B2 FOR TO SUPPLY OF STUFF. UNIFORMS, VESTS, STUFF LIKE THAT. AS JOHN SAID, WE HAVE OUR STUFF ALL SPREAD OUT. COMMISSIONER, TO YOUR POINT EARLIER ABOUT TAKING CARE OF VEHICLES, WHEN I VEHICLES AT A DOZEN DOZEN DIFFERENT PLACES THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY HAVE ONE PERSON START THEM UP AND MAKE SURE THEY ARE RUNNING AND CERTIFIED AND ALL OF THAT, IT JUST ADDS TO THE LEVEL OF DIFFICULTY THAT WE HAVE KEEPING UP WITH THEIR STUFF.

50,000 FT.B2 RIGHT NOW, CLIMATE CONTROLLED AN ADDITIONAL OUTDOOR STORAGE SPACE WOULD WORK NOW, BUT AGAIN, MOVING FORWARD, I WOULD LOVE TO CONSOLIDATE OUR SUPPLY UNIT WHICH IS 5000 FT.B2 INO THAT STORAGE SPACE AS WELL OR SOME PART OF BUILDING AND GET THAT OFF OF MY BOOKS.

>> I WILL LOOK TO TROY, WITH CARES ACT DURING THE PANDEMIC, WE PURCHASED TWO TRAILERS FOR THE DEPARTMENT OF EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT THAT WERE $140,000 TRAILERS EACH.

ESSENTIALLY, THEY ARE SITTING OUTSIDE, THEY WON'T FIT IN ANY OF OUR FACILITIES. WE HAVE NO AREA TO DO THAT SO IT IS IS TRYING TO PROTECT OUR EQUIPMENT BUT LOOK TO THE GROWTH OF THE COUNTY AS WE CONTINUE TO GROW OUR ASSETS AND

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MA'AM. >> THEY WERE REFRIGERATED

TRAILS? >> THEY WERE CALLED VACCINE TRAILERS, THEY WERE ENCLOSED TRAILERS.

WE WOULD DEPLOY THEM OUT TO REMOTE AREAS.

KEYSTONE, CLAY HILL THOSE TYPE OF THINGS TO DO VACCINES AND ASSESSMENTS AND THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.

NOW WE PARTNER WITH THE - - PROGRAM AND THE USE THEM FOR ASSESSMENTS AND THE MONITORING OF THOSE TYPE OF FOLKS FOR THE APPROPRIATE DRUGS THAT ARE NEEDED THERE.

>> IS BASICALLY A MOBILE OFFICE ON WHEELS.

>> A MOBILE MEDICAL OFFICE. >> WE HAVE USED THEM TOO FOR SPECIAL EVENTS. WE HAVE USED THEM AS WELL.

>> ON OUR SHEETS, I KNOW YOU ARE AT A DISADVANTAGE.

ON PAGE 3 WHERE IS BECAUSE OF THE TOP, MOVING DOWN, THE B 9-1-1 TRAINING FACILITY UNTIL TODAY HAS BEEN A PRIORITY AND YOU TOLD US EARLIER IS NOT AS MUCH AS A PRIORITY FOR YOU.

YOU WOULD LIKE FOR US TO MOVE THAT AROUND?

>> I'M SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE.

A YEAR AND A HALF TO TWO YEARS AGO, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT POTENTIALLY ARPA FUNDING. THE ENDED UP NOT WORKING OUT.

IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS, WITH THE RELIEF - - MY POSITION IS HAVE OTHER THINGS ON MY SIDE I WOULD MOVE AHEAD OF IT.

IF WE WOKE UP TOMORROW MORNING AND THERE WAS A GRANT FOR $20 MILLION FOR NEW 9-1-1 CENTERS, I WOULD BE ALL OVER IT.

THE FUNDING AND PROGRESS DID NOT PAN OUT, I WOULD LIKE TO BE FLEXIBLE AND TRANSPARENT WITH YOU.

THE BETTER USE OF TAXPAYER DOLLARS IS ON SOME OF THESE OTHER PROJECTS. I'M SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF THE

SHERIFF'S OFFICE. >> AT THE END OF THE DAY, NONE OF THE FIVE OF US WILL STAY IN THESE BUILDINGS AND DO OUR WOR

. >> I AM FULLY COMMITTED TO A CO-LOCATED CALL CENTER, I AM ABSOLUTELY FOR THE COLOCATED CALL CENTER, MY PERSONAL OPINION IS THAT IT CAN BE MOVED

DOWN THE PRIORITY LIST. >> BUT BUILDING 500 WE ARE ALREADY COMMITTED TO AND IT HAS TO HAPPEN?

>> YES, MA'AM. MY RECORDS REQUEST WENT UP 30% LAST YEAR, AND I HAVE TO EXPAND THAT. I HAVE TO HAVE A SPACE FOR THE BODY WORN CAMERA PROGRAM. I'M CONFIDENT THAT ONCE WE START THE REMODEL OF THE JAIL IN OUR CURRENT FACILITY, THERE IS GOING TO BE UNITS IN THERE THAT WON'T WORK BECAUSE OF THE

LEVEL OF NOISE NOISE. >> JUST FOR CLARITY, THAT MILLION AND A HALF WOULD BE FOR DESIGN AND BUILD OUT OF BOTH THE GRAY AREA AND THE CURRENT SECTION BEING RELEASED?

EXPIRES THIS YEAR, CORRECT? >> WE HAVE MADE IT VERY CLEAR THAT WE DON'T WANT ANYTHING IN THAT 500 BUILDING.

THERE WERE TALKS OF PUTTING LOCKER ROOMS, WE WANT TO SAVE MONEY SO WE CAN PUSH FORWARD WITH A LONG-TERM SOLUTION.

>> MOVING DOWN THE JAIL, WE ARE BUYING TIME WITH THE CURRENT

EXPANSION. >> IT IS PUSHED OUT BECAUSE WE

ARE BUYING SOME TIME. >> IF WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THE - - OUT OF BUILDINGS TO BE REPURPOSED OR SOLD TO MAKE MONEY FOR A JAIL DOWN THE ROAD AND I AM IN.

>> WHAT WE CURRENTLY DID WITH ARPA AT SEVEN OR $8 MILLION,

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PUTTING THE JAIL OUT BEYOND THAT 5 TO 7 ON THE LIST IS STILL OKAY? WE HAD TO FIGURE OUT SOMETHING TO DO, YOU WOULD RATHER US PULLING YOUR OFFICE BUILDING.

>> YES, MA'AM. IF WE COULD REPURPOSE THE FIRST FLOOR OF OUR ADMINISTRATIVE BUILDING AND GET THOSE PEOPLE OUT AND START CONSOLIDATING SOME OF THOSE OTHER BUILDINGS, THE FIRST FLOOR CAN BE REPURPOSED FOR MORE JAIL SPACE.

WE LEAVE THOSE OTHER BUILDINGS WHICH CAN BE SOLD FOR THE COUNTY TO POTENTIALLY GET MORE MONEY IN THE LONG TERM FOR A JAIL. JAILS ARE VERY EXPENSIVE.

WE ARE TRYING TO BE GOOD STEWARDS OF THE PROGRESS, BUT IF WE WAKE UP TOMORROW AND THERE IS A $100 MILLION GRANT FOR JAIL - - OPERATE MORE EFFICIENTLY AND THAT MEANS CONSOLIDATING THE TWENTYSOMETHING BUILDINGS WE

HAVE. >> COMMISSIONER BURKE, I FEEL A LITTLE RUSHED ON THIS. I'M JUST ASKING QUESTIONS, THIS IS A LOT. I FLIGHT THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN, THIS IS BIG TALKING ABOUT A COMPLEX, WE WILL TALK ABOUT THAT FOR SURE. THANKS IF YOU FOCUS.

>> THERE NEEDS TO BE A MASTER PLAN.

>> I APPRECIATE THAT. THE BIGGER MESSAGE I WANT TO SHARE IS THAT WE NEED TO WORK ON THAT HOWEVER IT IS SUPPOSED

TO HAPPEN. >> WE CURRENTLY HAVE THE WAREHOUSE NOT FINISHED FOR FOUR YEARS, AND WHAT WE HAVE BEEN HEARING FOR THE LAST TWO YEARS THAT NEEDS TO BE YESTERDAY.

>> WHEN THE POTENTIAL FOR THIS UILDING IN GREENE CO. CAME UP, UNFORTUNATELY I GOT THERE SECOND BEHIND A PRIVATE BUSINESS BUT WE WERE KNOCKING ON THE DOOR ASKING IF THE SPACE WAS AVAILABLE BECAUSE WE WERE GOING TO LEASE IT.

THEN HOWARD SHOWED UP. WE NOTICE FREE SPACE WHERE THERE IS A LOT OF EXPENSIVE EQUIPMENT, I COULD GET A CALL THIS AFTERNOON SAYING YOUR STUFF HAS TO GO.

I HAVE BEEN LOOKING AND WILL CONTINUE TO STILL LOOK FOR WAREHOUSE SPACE BUT YES, THAT ISANOTHER PRIORITY .

>> OTHER QUESTIONS? >> IN TERMS OF THE WAREHOUSE, WHAT LEVEL OF SECURITY WE NEED IN THAT WAREHOUSE?

>> IT WOULD NEED TO BE SECURED BECAUSE OF THE LAW ENFORCEMENT EQUIPMENT, COMMAND POST EQUIPMENT, IT WOULD BE PARTNER

- - SECURE FACILITIES. >> MAYBE ASKED THE QUESTION WRONG, IN TERMS OF THE ACTUAL BUILDING, BUT WE HAVE TO GO

BLOCK CONSTRUCTION?>> I HAVE CONSTRUCTION EXPERTS IN THE BACK. RIGHT NOW, WE'RE UTILIZING - - SIGNIFICANT EVENT. WE WOULD WANT TO HARDEN FACILITY AND WE ARE KEEPING ALL OF HER ASSETS AND EQUIPMENT AND THAT WE WOULD NEED. ESSENTIALLY THE STOCK WILL BE STORED INSIDE, IT WOULD NEED TO HARDEN FACILITY WHETHER IT WAS METAL FRAMED OR OCEAN CREEK BLOCK.

>> CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, THEY WERE NOT CONCRETE

BUILDINGS OR ANYTHING. >> THAT IMPACTS THE COST GREATLY. YOU WILL DO A STEEL BUILDING OR BUILDING THAT IS CONCRETE - - SIGNIFICANT EVENT.

>> THE IDEA OF IT BEING OVER A 3 TO 4 MILLION - - ALL AT ONE TIME BUT TO THE CONCEPT OF MARGINALIZING IT, YOU COULD BUILD A 50,000 SQUARE-FOOT WAREHOUSE YEAR ONE AND YEAR TWO, YOU COME BACK WITH ANOTHER 50,000 SQUARE-FOOT WAREHOUSE

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EFFECTIVE GOOD STEWARDS? >> PER THE MANAGER'S REQUEST, WE HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH A PARTNERSHIP CAMPAIGN GETTING READY TO MOBILIZE AND BUILD A WAREHOUSE ON 16.

WE HAVE HAD SOME DISCUSSION IN ISOLATING THAT AREA SO YOU COULD PARTNER WITH THEM AND BUILD A LARGER FACILITY THERE, THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS.

EVER SINCE COVID, WE HAVE BEEN LOOKING FOR EXISTING SPACE PROPERTIES THAT ONCE WAREHOUSE SPACE BECOMES AVAILABLE, IT WILL HAPPEN PRETTY QUICK AND THE SHERIFF VERY FORTUNATE, WE TRIED BUYING THAT AND COULD NEVER COME TO RESOLVE, SHE IS VERY FORTUNATE TO HAVE THAT. IT'S ONE OF THE FEW DECENT FACILITIES THAT SHE HAS THAT IS NOT IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR.

>> I WANT YOU ALL TO MAKE SURE THAT WITH THE CONSTRUCTION PEOPLE YOU - - RUSHING TO SPEND THE CARE OF ACT MONEY AND WE THOUGHT WE COULD PUT THE NILE ON ONE THERE AND WE COULDN'T.

WE WERE TRYING TO MOVE BEFORE WE TOOK - - WHAT YOU NEED BECAUSE I AGREE BECAUSE WHAT I THOUGHT YOU HEARD - - WE WANTED TO BE ADEQUATE THE OBVIOUSLY IT CANNOT BE CADILLAC FOR TAXPAYER DOLLARS. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT

HAS LONGEVITY. >> I THINK YOU NEED TO BE EFFECTIVE FOR WHAT WE NEED NOW BUT ALSO, WE'VE BEEN GOOD ABOUT A RECENTLY IS LOOKING TOWARD THE FUTURE AND WHAT CLAY COUNTY IS GOING TO BECOME. CLAY COUNTY WILL BE CHANGING AS FAR AS THE SIZE ANDPOPULATION AS WE ARE BUILDING STRUCTURES OUT . WE NEED TO BE READY TO USE THAT

MONEY EFFECTIVELY. >> IF I COULD PIGGYBACK ON THAT, THE LEVEL OF PARTNERSHIP AND COOPERATION ESPECIALLY BETWEEN THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE AND FIRE DEPARTMENT, WE ARE WILLING TO SHARE SPACE. THERE IS A LOT TO BE SAID FOR THAT AND WE CAN DEFINITELY WORK TOGETHER TO SHARE AS MUCH SPACE AS POSSIBLE TO BE GOOD STEWARD OF TAXPAYER DOLLARS .

>> OTHER QUESTIONS?>> MAN CHAIR, IF WE COULD, JEAN PRICE WAS JUMPING ON, HE WAS JUMPING OUT OF HIS SPEAK.

>> YOU HAD A DIFFERENT VANTAGE POINT IN ME.

>> HE WAS GOING TO JUMP INTO WE MIGHT AS WELL LET HIM.

>> GETTING BACK TO YOUR QUESTION COMMISSIONER, BUT WE FOCUS ON HIS REQUIREMENTS. WHEN IT COMES TO YOUR STORAGE IN THAT TYPE OF STUFF LIKE EVIDENCE, IT IS IN OUR WORK OF IF YOU HAVE EVIDENCE OR SOMETHING THAT IS VERY VALUABLE YOU PUT IT IN THE SIDE FOR - - HURRICANES WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH, YOU DON'T WANT METAL BUILDING OR A COVERED AREA THAT MAY BE SUITABLE FOR A TRAILER AND NOT NECESSARILY OFFICE SPACE AT THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE HAS TO STORE.

WORKING WITH THE SHERIFF AND HER TEAM OF WHAT WE CAN DO IN REGARDS TO TAXPAYER DOLLARS. WE DO CONTEND THAT 20% GROWTH, WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE TO BUILD IT TODAY?

>> THINK EUGENE. >> SORRY JEAN, I JUST CANNOT

SEE YOU. >> THE LAST PIECE OF THE IMPACT FEES IN THE COMMUNITY PARKS. AGAIN, THERE ARE FIVE DISTRICTS. HOW MUCH MONEY WE EXPECT TO COLLECT IN THE IMPACT FEE DISTRICTS , THIS IS ABOUT A 55 TO 45 SPLIT WITH THE IPN IMPACT FEE WHICH EVEN INTO THE DISTRICTS, THERE IS THAT MATCHING FUNDS THAT NEED TO BE PUT ASIDE TO PAY FOR BOTH THE DEFICITS AND THE CURRENT CAPACITY IMPROVEMENTS. NO SPECIFIC PROJECTS ARE RECOMMENDED, WE USED A LINE ITEM DOWN TO THE NEXT EIGHT YEAR CYCLE AND 20 OR 25. HIS PENDING THE COMPLETION OF THE MASTER PLAN AND ON CUE, JUSTIN WILL WALK UP TO THE TABLE AND TELL YOU WHEN THAT PART MASTER PLAN WILL BE DONE.

>> THANK YOU FOR THE INTRODUCTION.

THE PARK SYSTEM MASTER PLAN IS THAT THEY THINK OUR DEPARTMENT

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THE BIG THING THAT I AM EXCITED ABOUT, I HAVE SAT IN ON A FEW OF THESE PRESENTATIONS, AS A PUBLIC OPINION SURVEY, THEY WILL HAVE THESE DIFFERENT WORKSHOPS AND WILL SIT DOWN WITH THE COMMUNITY AND SAY YOU HAVE $30,000, WHAT IS YOUR PART DEPARTMENT WANT TO LOOK LIKE AND WHAT ARE YOUR MOST IMPORTANT AMENITIES AND ASSETS? YOU WILL GET A LOT OF PUBLIC INPUT ON WHAT THEY WILL LOOK TO SEE THE PARK LOOK LIKE.FROM THERE IT WILL BE FOCUS GROUPS AND THEN WE WILL PUT TOGETHER THAT MASTER PLAN. WHAT IS OUR PARK STANDARD LOOK LIKE?ARE PARK BENCHES, OUR TABLES, THE PAVILIONS, WHAT ARE OUR RESTROOMS? THEY WOULD GIVE US AN OVERALL PLAN OF WHERE WE NEED TO GO AND IT WILL MATCH WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AS WELL. THE LAST PART IS A RECOMMENDATIONS LIST. NEXT YEAR AT THIS TIME WE ARE COMING AT YOU WITH THEIR FIVE YEAR, 10 YEAR GOALS WHICH WILL INCLUDE WITH THE IMPACT FEES AND FUNDING TO BUILD NEW FACILITIES. THAT IS WHY TROY ELECTED BIG BEAR BUT THE NEXT YEAR AT THIS TIME WE WILL HAVE MORE INFORMATION AND A SOLID PLAN I HAD TO GROW OVER THE NEXT TWO

YEARS.ANY QUESTIONS? ALRIGHT, THANK YOU.>> THE NEXT SECTION IS OTHER RESTRICTED FUNDS.

THE OF A SOLID WASTE FUND WHICH IS $20 MILLION IN IT CURRENTLY PROPOSED FOR FACILITY UPGRADES. - - WILL HAVE 10 MILLION IN IT.

PROPOSED THERE BECAUSE WE HAVE SIGNED THE DESIGN BUT WE HAVE NOT SIGNED THE CONTRACT TO BUILDIT .

845,000 RIGHT NOW IS BEING ALLOCATED TO THE REGIONAL PARK IN THE FAIRGROUND IMPROVEMENTS. THE BORDER IMPROVEMENT - - WILL WE ARE CURRENTLY AT, HE LEFT AHEAD OF TIME.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.

>> ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS O THE BOAT IMPROVEMENT PLAN ?

>> OKAY, THAT IS THE OTHER SHIFTED FUNDS, I DON'T KNOW IF

YOU HAD ANY QUESTIONS. >> THESE ARE TRANSFERS INTO THE

CIP. >> GOT IT.

>> THE LAST SLIDE IS YOUR AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN WHICH HAS TO BE SPENT BY 2024, CURRENTLY THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT RENOVATIONS UNDERWAY AT 26 MILLION, WE HAVE REIMBURSED THE HEALTHCARE FUND AT 5.5 MILLION, REGIONAL PARK IT STARTED AND REUSING 3.1 FOR THE REGIONAL PARK.

SOME OF THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN PUT TOWARDS END OF PROGRESS.

CHILL CONVERSION IS 5.2 PENDING THE CONTRACT.

PARK IMPROVEMENT IS $2 MILLION. INDIGO BRANCH HAS 3 MILLION AND THEY THINK THERE ARE DIFFERENT PROJECTS OUT FOR THE BRANCH, THAT HAS BEEN COMPLETED AND THERE IS ONE MORE STUDY CURRENTLY UNDERWAY. WITH THAT, I AM DONE.

>> AND THE OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? WE ARE AT COMMISSIONER COMMENT .

>> THE ONE THING I DO THINK MANY STAFF DIRECTION ON, OTHER THAN THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE WHICH IN OTHER WORDS THAT WILL BE IN

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ORDER FOR THAT. >> WE WILL MEET WITH THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE IN THE NEXT FOUR WEEKS AND PRIOR TO THAT

CAN PREPARED. >> THE OTHER ONE IS THE DIRECTION ON THE 5% AND THAT IS NOT TO BE DECIDED TODAY, BUT IT COULD BE SOMETHING THAT STAFF FOR CORRECTION FOR MOBILITY FEES FOR THE TRAILS AT SOME POINT SO WE ARE TO EARMARK THAT FOR TRAIL IMPROVEMENTS OR CONTINUE PUTTING ALL THE MONEY

TOWARDS THE ROADS. >> DOES ANYONE HAVE OPPOSITION

THE 5% BOARD TRAILS? >> I'LL HAVE A PROBLEM OF PINPOINTING THAT FOR TRAILS BUT I ALSO THINK AS WE DO THAT, WE HAVE TO LOOK OUT FOR COMMISSIONER BURKE WAS NOT HALF IN TERMS OF SIDEWALKS. EVEN IN FLEMING ISLAND WHICH HAS A LOT OF SIDEWALKS, THE OF DEVELOPERS ON THE EAST SIDE OF 17 IN THE DREAM FINDERS NEIGHBORHOOD AND THEY HAVE BUILT SIDEWALKS WHERE THE DEVELOPMENT IS.

ALL OF A SUDDEN, IT JUST STOPS. IF YOU WANT PEOPLE TO ADD SOME POINT UTILIZE THE SIDEWALKS TO BE WALKABLE AND THOSE KIND OF THINGS, YOU MAY HAVE TO LOOK AT HOW WE DO THAT.

WE DO HAVE NEIGHBORHOODS THEY DON'T HAVE SIDEWALKS.

17 IS A SIX LANE HIGHWAY AND NOW THE TIME IS IT EASY TO CROSS. WE HAVE SIDEWALKS IN A TRAIL ON ONE SIDE BUT NOT EVEN TWO SIDEWALKS ON THE OTHER SIDE AT TIMES. IT WOULD BE NICE TO GET THEM TO A CROSSWALK SO THEY CAN USE THE TRAIL.

>> I THOUGHT THAT TRAIL MONEY COULD BE USED FOR SIDEWALKS, OR

IS IT JUST TRAILS? >> IT WOULD HAVE BE USED FOR MULTIUSE TRAILS. THAT IS WHAT I WOULD HAVE TO ALLUDE TO, THE POLICY DECISION OF IF YOU WANT TO BUILD A 5 FOOT SIDEWALKS CONNECTING DEVELOPMENT TO DEVELOPMENT, YOU NEED MONEY OUT OF YOUR CAP DOLLARS.

IF YOU ARE GOING TO USE THE 5% AND DO MULTIUSE TRAILS, WE CAN USE THE MOBILITY FEE FOR THAT. AT THE POLICY DECISION OF A COMBINATION OF BOTH DEPENDING ON THE AREA THAT YOU ARE AND.

>> WHEN YOU COME BACK WITH THAT, COME BACK WITH A PROPOSAL ON THE NEXT WORKSHOP AND ALSO, HOW LOCKED-IN ARE WE TO IT? IF WE ALLOCATED BY POLICY, CAN YOU BE UNALLOCATED BASED ON THE

NEED? >> ,STAFF PERSPECTIVE, WE WILL BUDGET 5% BUT IT IS ALWAYSTHE BOARD'S DISCRETION.

IT HELPS US FROMBUDGETARY STANDPOINT .

IF YOU SAY 5% WILL BE LOCKED ASIDE FOR TRAILS, IT HELPS WITH THE TARGET NUMBER WITH THE PLANNED 5% IN YOUR MAXIMUM AMOUNT AND MOBILITY. THAT IS ABOUT WHAT IT BALANCES OUT TO BE. THAT GIVES US A PLACE TO WORK

FROM. >> MY QUESTION WAS YOU ARE ASKING FOR AN EARMARK OF 5% FOR FUTURE TRAILS, IS IT ROAD PROJECTS AND FUTURE TRAILS FOR FUNDING?

THOSE ARE THE ONLY TWO OPTIONS? >> GET THE LIST OF THE MOBILITY FEES AND OF THE FILE HAVE X DOLLARS FOR TRANSFER MOBILITY, X DOLLARS FOR TRAIL IMPROVEMENTS FOR EACH OF THOSE AREAS. IT EARMARK ABOUT 5% OF THE BUDGET AND WE WOULD KNOW THAT 5%, YOU CAN COME BACK AND SAY HERE ARE A LIST OF TRAILS. MY CONCERN GOING FOR ON THE BUDGET SIDE - - AND SON TRAIL, HOW BIG WAS THAT REQUEST? $8 MILLION. IF WE GET THAT, I'M ASSUMING THAT THERE IS A MATCH FOR THAT. RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE DOLLARS SET ASIDE FOR THAT. WE MADE THE ASK TO PUT THESE TRAILS IN PLACE AND IF WE DON'T START SETTING ASIDE MONEY FOR TRAILS, THEN IF WE GET THE $8 MILLION GRANT, YOU WILL HAVE TO FIND A PLACE IN YOUR BUDGET TO MATCH THAT MONEY.

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HAVE A MATCHED SET ASIDE. >> I UNDERSTAND YOUR WHY, I AM CURIOUS TO KNOW WHETHER NOT GET TO SEE THE MOBILITY FEE STUDY SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT OPTIONS ARE FOR EARMARKING FOR ALLOCATING FUNDS TO ANY PROJECTS.

I KNOW ROADS AND ALL TRAILS, ANYTHING ELSE?

>> IT'S THE ROBUST, THE THREE TRANSIT HUBS IN THE TRAILS,

THAT IS IT. >> I APOLOGIZE.

[COMMISSIONERS' COMMENTS]

>> I UNDERSTAND YOUR WHY, THANK YOU.

>> OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY INITIAL FEEDBACK ON THE 10 YEAR VERSUS FIVE YEAR? FOR THOSE OF US WHO HAVE BEEN HERE, IN THE PAST WE HAVE ONLY SEEN FIVE. I LIKE SEEING THE TOWN.

>> I LIKE SEEING THE 10 IF IT IS BALANCED.

[LAUGHTER]. >> IS KIND OF SCARY.

>> AT THE SAME TIME, YOU DON'T WANT TO BUILD A FIVE-YEAR PLAN THAT THEN YOU CAN'T FOR THE NEXT FIVE.

>> I THINK YOU ARE RIGHT, IT GIVES US A LITTLE BIT LONGER LOOKING TO THE FUTURE AS WE READY TO GO.

IF YOU HAVE LIMITED FUNDS WHICH WE DO HAVE, IT MAKES IT EASIER TO GET TO THE END RESULT OF WHERE YOU WANT TO BE IF IT JUST DOESN'T STOP IT AT YEAR FIVE. I LIKE THE 10 YEAR PLAN REALIZING THAT SIX THROUGH 10 ARE A LITTLE DICIER THAN ONE THROUGH FIVE. BUT, YOU'VE GOT TO START SOMEWHERE AND THIS IS THE FIRST TIME WE HAVE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT CIP, IS AN ADVANTAGE MOVING FORWARD.

THE SHERIFF IS ALWAYS BEEN UPFRONT WITH HER NEEDS AND HER ASKS. CERTAINLY IS HER FIRST JOB AS PPUBLIC SAFETY, IF WE TAKE CARE OF FIRE RESCUE AND THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT BOTH ARE FLEXIBLE IN TERMS OF HOW WE GET THERE, IT IS POSSIBLE AT THAT POINT.

IT IS INTERESTING TO SEE WHAT THE STAFF COMES UP WITH IN MEETING WITH THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT AND THE UNITED ADMIN BUILDING FOR FIRE AND RESCUE AS WELL.

I ALWAYS THOUGHT WE WERE HEADED TO A 9-1-1 CONSOLIDATION, BUT MAYBE WE GET THERE IN A DIFFERENT WAY AND IT MIGHT HELP US WITH ALL THE PROJECTS. IT IS FREE OF A NUMBER OF

DOLLARS EARLY IN THE CAP. >> I WOULD AGREE.

ANYTHING ELSE?

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