Mar 07, 2023 Planning Commission

[Call to Order]

[1.  Approval of Minutes]

[1.  Public Hearing to consider ZON-0123-00002. (District 1, Comm. Cella) (M. Brown)]

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>> ALL YOUR POINTS ARE GOOD, BUT PEOPLE WOULD LIVE ON THAT ROAD. LOOK ACROSS THE STREET FROM IT

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>> IF NOBODY WANTS TO STICK THEIR TOE IN THE WATER I WILL

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MOVE TO DENY. >> WE HAVE A MOTION TO DENY FOR

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THE APPLICATION IS DENIED. >> RECOMMENDED DENIED.

>> RECOMMENDED TO DENY. THANK YOU.

>> ALL RIGHT. WE WILL BE MOVING ON TO THE NEXT

[2.  Public Hearing to consider CPA-2022-23. (District 4, Comm. Condon) (M. Brown)]

2* AND IF MR. BROWN WOULD PRESENT THE STAFF REPORT AND THE

RECOMMENDATION. >> MADAM CHAIR AND BOARD, CPA-22-23 IS A APPLICATION BY CHRISTOPHER AND SARA BALWIN AND IT IS A SMALL SCALE LAND USE AMENDMENT FROM RURAL RESIDENTIAL TO RESIDENTIAL. IT IS AT 3910 MAIN STREET IN MIDDLEBURG. IT IS IN THE MIDDLEBURG CLAY HILL PLANNING DISTRICT. AND IT IS ALSO IN COMMISSIONER -- DISTRICT 4. IT IS PROPOSED TO BE HEARD BY THE BOARD AT THE MARCH 28TH MEETING AT 5 P.M. OR SOON THEREAFTER. AS I INDICATED THIS IS A SMALL SCALE LAND USE CHANGE PROPOSED ON 0.86 ACRES FROM RURAL RESIDENTIAL TO COMMERCIAL. THE PARCEL WAS ON THE NORTH SIDE OF MAIN STREET BETWEE PALMETTO STREET AND BUTLER AVENUE.

THE PARCEL IS VACANT WITH APPROXIMATELY A HUNDRED FEET OF FRONTAGE ON MAIN STREET. THE SUBJECT PARCEL 6 -- SITS BETWEEN TWO PARCELLS, ONE ON THE LEFT AND ONE ON THE EAST THAT ARE ALREADY DESIGNATED COMMERCIAL ON THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP. HERE SHOWS AN AERIAL OF THE SITE AND THE KP*EUGSING -- EXISTING LAND USE.

AS YOU CAN SEE THIS SITE PARCEL SITS BETWEEN TWO EXISTING COMMERCIAL PARCELLS. PARCELS.

LOOKING AT THE INTENSITY AND DENSITY OF DEVELOPMENT ALLOWED UNDER THE EXISTING RURAL FRINGE FUTURE LAND USE, ONE DWELLING UNIT COULD BE BUILT ON THIS PARCEL.

THE PROPOSED COMMERCIAL IF IT WAS CHANGED TO COMMERCIAL, THE MAXIMUM IN -- INTENSITY OF DEVELOPMENT WOULD BE 40% FAR WHICH WOULD BE EQUIVALENT TO A MAXIMUM OF 14,984 SQUARE FEET POTENTIAL ON THE SITE. IF THE PROPOSED LAND USE IS APPROVED BY THE BOARD, THIS IS WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE.

AS I INDICATED THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CHANGE OF THE FUTURE LAND USE ON 0.86-ACRES FROM RURAL RESIDENTIAL COMMERCIAL. FUTURE LAND USE POLICY 1.4.8 STATES THAT SMALL-SCALE AMENDMENTS DESIGNATE ADDITIONAL LAND USE SHALL BE FURTHER LIMITED BY THOSE MEETING THE IN FILL OR UNIFIED PLANNED CRITERIA IN FILL ASSET -- AS SET FORTH IN THE POLICY MEANS A PARCEL IS LOCATED BETWEEN PARCELS WITH AN EXISTING DESIGNATION OF COMMERCIAL, INSTITUTIONAL AND INDUSTRIAL USE LOCATED ON THE SAME SIDE OF THE ROADWAY SERVING THE PARCEL. AND ARE NO MORE THAN 500 FEET APART AS MEASURED BY THE ROAD RIGHT OF WAY.

AS YOU CAN SEE IN THE PREVIOUS SLIDE SHOWING THE FUTURE LAND USE, THERE IS COMMERCIAL ON BOTH SIDES OF THIS PARCEL.

STAFF BELIEVES THAT IT MEETS THE DEFINITION OF IN FILL ASSET IN

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STAFF BELIEVES THAT THE AMENDMENT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE GOALS, OBJECTIVES AND POLICIES OF THE COMP PLAN.

THE STAFF HAS REUSED THE APPLICATION TO DETERMINE IT WAS COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING AREA.

THE CAC VOTED 8-0 TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL.

REQUESTED LAND USE CHANGE. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE COMP PLAN AMENDMENT 22-23 TO AMEND THE 2040 FUTURE LAND USE MAP 0.86 ACRES FROM RURAL RESIDENTIAL TO COMMERCIAL.

DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF?

>> ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. BROWN? >> I HAVE ONE.

I CAN'T FIND IT RIGHT THIS SECOND, MR. BROWN, BUT DIDN'T I READ IN HERE THERE IS NO WATER AND SEWAGE AT THIS SITE, IS THAT RIGHT? IT SAID SOMETHING ABOUT ON SITE

TREATMENT. >> YEAH.

>> SO THEY WOULD HAVE TO HAVE SEPTIC AND WELL.

>> YEAH. >> DOES THAT RESTRICT HOW MUCH

THEY CAN DO WITH THIS PROPERTY? >> NOT BY REGULATIONS, BUT IN REALITY IT WOULD. YEAH.

>> THANK YOU. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? AT THIS TIME BEFORE WE CALL FOR THE PRESENTATION BY THE APPLICANT WE ASK APPLICANT AND THE PERSONS WHO WISH TO BE HEARD ON THIS MATTER WOULD STAND AND BE SWORN BY THE --

>> MADAM CHAIR, THIS IS A LEGISLATIVE ACTION.

>> EXCUSE ME. EXCUSE ME.

>> YOU DON'T NEED TO SWEAR. >> ABSOLUTELY.

AT THIS TIME THEY WILL ASK THE APPLICANT TO COME FORWARD IF THE

APPLICANT HAS ANYTHING TO SAY. >> I DON'T NEED TO BE SWORN IN.

>> HI. I AM SARA BOWER AND ONE OF THE OWNERS OF THIS PROPERTY. WE LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

MY HUSBAND AND I LIVE WITHIN WALKING DISTANCE OF THE PROPERTY THAT WE ARE CURRENTLY UTILIZING, AND THAT'S IN QUESTION HERE.

WITH THAT BEING SAID, WE DO LOVE OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE PROPOSED USE OF THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT WE ARE DOING NOW.

WE DON'T WANT TO DO ANYTHING EXCEPT PARK OUR OVERNIGHT TRUCKS ON THERE FOR OUR BUSINESS. WE DON'T WANT TO PUT A LARGE BUILDING. WE MAY POTENTIALLY WANT TO PUT A SMALL OFFICE BUILDING TO ACCOMMODATE OUR NEEDS YOU -- OUR NEED. NOBODY WOULD COME TO THE PROPERTY BECAUSE OF THE NATURE OF THE BUSINESS.

EVERYTHING IS DONE ON SITE FOR THEIR PROPERTY BECAUSE WE ARE A LAND CARING COMPANY. WE WANT TO PARK OUR STUFF THERE.

DON'T HAVE THE INTENTION TO DO ANYTHING ELSE.

AFTER WE HAD THE MEETING WITH THE CITIZENS ADVISORY COUNCIL AND WE STATED THAT IT IS A PRIORITY FOR US SINCE WE LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND WE WORK IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD WE WANT TO MAINTAIN THE INTEGRITY OF OUR QUIET NEIGHBORHOOD.

WE WERE -- WE HAVE REDISTRICT -- WE HAVE REDIRECTED FROM DOING -- WE WANT TO CONTINUE TO DO THE LAND USE CHANGE, BUT WE ALSO WANT TO CHANGE IT FROM THE REZONING WHICH IS COMING UP IN THE END OF MARCH, I BELIEVE, TO A PCD SO WE CAN BETTER FIT THE ACCOMMODATIONS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

WE KNOW THAT OBVIOUSLY THAT BB4 IS A VERY SCARY ZONING BECAUSE OF SO MANY DIFFERENT VERBIAGE THINGS THAT ARE FUZZY IN THERE.

THAT BEING SAID, FROM MY UNDERSTANDING AND IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA WE ARE NOT ALLOWED TO HAVE ANYTHING THAT IS CONSIDERED ADULT ENTERTAINMENT IN THAT AREA, WHICH IS NEVER OUR INTENTION ANYWAY. WE ARE LOCATED WITHIN LESS THAN A HALF MILE OF TWO SCHOOLS AND TWO CHURCHES.

JUST TO KIND OF PUT EVERYONE'S MIND AT EASE.

WE DO WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT, LIKE I SAID, WE ARE CONTINUING TO MAINTAIN THE INTEGRITY OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

THE TRAFFIC WOULD BE LIMITED TO ONLY WHAT IT IS NOW.

THERE IS REALLY NO CHANGE. WE HAVE OUR EMPLOYEES WHICH IS A MAXIMUM OF FIVE EMPLOYEES PLUS THE FOUR OWNERS OF THE BUSINESS.

TYPICALLY THEY COME AND GO BETWEEN 7 AND 7:30 A.M. AND 4:30 AND 5:00. THEY PARK THEIR PERSONAL VEHICLE AND THEN THEY GET IN THEIR TRUCK AND REMAIN THERE.

IF THEY ARE NOT BEING USED ON THE JOB SITE, THAT'S BASICALLY

IT. >> THANK YOU.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? YES, BILL.

>> GOOD AFTERNOON. SO IS IT CURRENTLY BEING USED?

>> YES, SIR. >> AND SO WE ARE TALKING LAND

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>> WE HAVE SOME LARGER TRUCKS, BUT THEY ARE DUMP TRUCKS.

>> WHEN YOU MET WITH THE CRC DID Y'ALL HAVE ANY NEIGHBORS? DID ANYBODY COMPLAIN ABOUT USING IT FOR PARK STPH-G.

>> NOBODY COMPLAINED AT THAT POINT, BUT THEY VOCALIZED, AT LEAST. I KNOW PEOPLE WERE CONCERNED ABOUT -- SOMEBODY DID BRING UP THE TRAFFIC, BUT REALLY WE DO -- WE DON'T DO ANYTHING THROUGHOUT BUSINESS HOURS.

AND WE MENTIONED THAT IT WAS ACTUALLY LESS THAN CAR RIDERS AT MIDDLEBURG ELEMENTARY AND LESS TRAFFIC THAN THE FOOD DRIVE THAT

THE METHODIST CHURCH PROVIDES. >> AND SO YOU MENTIONED YOU ARE GOING TO DO A ZONING -- A REQUEST FOR FOR REZONING AS

WELL? >> IN-- INSTEAD OF GOING TO THE BB4 WE DISCUSSED WITH MR. BROWN THAT IT WOULD BE AN OPTION SO WE CAN SET EVERYONE'S MIND AT EASE AND OUR MINDS BECAUSE WE LIVE THERE. I DON'T WANT THERE TO BE A CONVENIENCE STORE OR ANYTHING OF THAT NATURE IN THERE.

SO WE WANT TO DO THE PCD SO IT CAN FIT OUR SPECIFIC REQUIREMENTS AND LIMIT IT FOR FUTURE USES.

>> I AM JUST CURIOUS ABOUT THE TIME -- OFTEN WE SEE -- WHAT WAS

THE DEAL THERE? >> THEY HAVE SUBMITTED A COMPANION AT THE SAME TIME REZONING FOR BB4.

SUB -- SUBSEQUENT THEY HAVE A TURN BACK AT THE CAC AND THEY WANTED TO PULL BACK AND APPROACH IT WITH A PCD SO THEY COULD LIMIT THE USE TO WHAT THEY WANTED TO ADDRESS AND ANY ISSUES THE CAC WANTED. THEY PULLED BACK ON THE REZONING. THE LAND USE CAN MOVE FORWARD.

>> NOW I UNDERSTAND THE DISCONNECT.

>> THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE. THANK YOU.

>> IN ANY -- ANY OTHER QUESTIONS >> YES.

>> GOOD EVENING. JUST A QUICK QUESTION ABOUT THE PARKING OF THE VEHICLES. YOU ARE ALREADY THERE ON THE COMMERCIAL PARCEL THAT YOU CURRENTLY OWN.

IS THERE ANY -- AND THIS MAY BE ALSO A QUESTION FOR MR. BROWN, BUT IS THERE A REQUIREMENT THERE FOR, OR ARE YOU ALREADY BUFFERING THAT PROPERTY FROM THE ADJACENT NEIGHBORS AND FROM THE VEHICLES BEING STACKED ON THE PROPERTY CURRENTLY? AND THEN IF THIS PROPERTY -- IF THIS PARCEL IS APPROVED, WILL THAT BUFFERING EXTEND INTO THIS NEW PARCEL?

>> WE CURRENTLY HAVE -- IT'S GATED WITH A FULL -- ON MAIN STREET IT IS FULLY GATED WITH A NICE FENCE AND LIGHTING.

ON THE SIDE WE SHARE WITH AT&T THERE IS A FULL SIX-FOOT FENCE.

IT IS FENCING, BUT NOT A FULL BUFFER, SO WE WOULD CERTAINLY ACCOMMODATE ANY ZONING REQUIRED OF US TO DO THAT.

>> THERE WOULD BE -- WITH THIS CHANGE AND, AGAIN, PART OF THE PCD WE WOULD SPECIFICALLY IDENTIFY BUFFERING AND SETBACK REQUIREMENTS TO THE BACK AND TO THE REAR OF MAIN STREET.

THERE IS AR AND RR WHICH IS RESIDENTIAL.

SO THERE WOULD BE ADDITIONAL BUFFERING REQUIREMENTS TO THE

REAR OF THE PARCEL. >> OKAY.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.

>> HOW MANY TRUCKS ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? THE ONLY THING I HEARD WAS DUMP TRUCKS AND POSSIBLY SOME --

>> YES, SIR WE HAVE FIVE OR SIX VEHICLES ON THE PROPERTY.

OTHER THAN THAT IT IS EQUIPMENT TRAILERS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

OUR LARGER EQUIPMENT IS STORED ON JOB SITES AND IT IS NOT EVEN ABLE TO GET THROUGH THE GATE. SO IT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE WOULDN'T EVEN HAVE TO CONSIDER. THE NEIGHBORS WOULDN'T HAVE TO LOOK AT A HUGE BULLDOZER BECAUSE IT HAS TO BE BROUGHT IN WITH THE LOW BOY. IT WOULDN'T FIT ON THE PROPERTY.

IT IS FOR THE TRUCKING OF THE MID-SIZED COMMERCIAL VEHICLES.

>> WHO ARE YOUR NEIGHBORS? I HEARD AT&T OR SOMETHING LIKE

THAT? >> YES.

AT&T WHEN LOOKING AT THE PROPERTY IS TO THE RIGHT.

THE NEIGHBOR TO THE LEFT OF US IS A MULTI-FAMILY HOME, I BELIEVE. IF -- IT HAS MULTIPLE HOMES ON THE PROPERTY AND THEN ACROSS THE STREET WOULD BE A CHURCH.

>> DOES AT&T PARK VEHICLES THERE, OR IS IT A SUBSTATION?

>> I'M NOT SURE WHAT THEIR PURPOSE IS, BUT THEY DO HAVE A FENCED IN AREA THAT DOES HAVE THEIR OWN TRUCKS AS WELL.

>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? ALL RIGHT. I'M GONNA OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. THE FIRST CARD I HAVE IS FOR PAT

MULLER. >> SHE DOESN'T WANT TO SPEAK.

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>> IS THERE A REPRESENTATIVE HERE FROM THE MIDDLEBURG CLAY HILL CITIZENS ADVISORY COMMITTEE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK? ALL RIGHT. WELL, WE WILL GO ON TO CHERYL

EKRIDGE. >> HI.

I'M NERVOUS AND IT IS HARD FOR ME TO TALK IN FRONT OF EVERYBODY, BUT I'M SPEAKING ON BEHALF --

>> PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

>> MY NAME IS CHERYL AKRIDGE AND I LIVE ON 3933 MAIN STREET IN MIDDLEBURG, FLORIDA. I'M SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF MS. PAT MUELLER AND MYSELF, ROT KNEE -- RODNEY IS BLACK.

I'M NERVOUS. >> JUST TAKE A DEEP BREATH.

IT WILL BE OKAY. >> I LIVE RIGHT DOWN THE ROAD -- I MEAN, I CAN HEAR THEM. SHE SAYS THEY ARE QUIET.

THEY ARE CRANKING UP AT 5:00 IN THE MORNING.

THEY'VE GOT A LOT OF EQUIPMENT. I MEAN, I LIVE BETWEEN HER PLACE AND THE ELEMENTARY NEXT TO THE CHURCH.

I CAN SIT ON MY FRONT PORCH AND I CAN HEAR THE CHAIN SAWS GOING.

AND THIS WILL BE AFTER DARK. EARLY IN THE MORNING, 5:00, EVERY HOUR. THEY USE BUTLER, THE DIRT ROAD.

THERE ARE TRAILER THAT'S ARE FILLED WITH ALL OF THE DEBRIS.

THEY ARE NOT EVEN COVERED. SO I FEEL THAT IF THEY GET COMMERCIAL, NOW YOU ARE CHIPPING AWAY ON MAIN STREET BECAUSE IT IS IN AN HISTORIC DISTRICT. YOU HAVE THE CHURCH FOR THE SCHOOL AND YOU HAVE THE ELEMENTARY AND YOU HAVE THE BOAT RAMP. YOU'VE GOT THE PARK.

WHAT'S TO STOP ANYBODY ELSE FROM GETTING COMMERCIAL PROPERTY ON THAT ROAD? AND LIKE I SAID, IT IS REALLY A NUISANCE, ALL THE NOISE. THEY CAME IN AND CLEARED IT AND PUT A FENCE UP FRONT. I HAVE TO GET A PERMIT TO GET A ROOF, MY GENERAC. THEY COME IN AND PUT A POLE BARN UP. DIDN'T EVEN GET A PERMIT.

I CAME AND PUT A COMPLAINT IN LAST YEAR, JULY 7TH AND NEVER HEARD A WORD FROM ANYBODY IN THE COUNTY.

I DIDN'T EVEN GET A LETTER TO BE HERE, BUT EVERYBODY ELSE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD DID. I'M THE ONE THAT PUT THE COMPLAINT IN. I SEEN THE SIGNS UP ON THE FENCE SO DO I NEED TO GO AND GET EVERYBODY IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, GET A PETITION WRITTEN UP? I HEAR THE CHAIN SAWS AND THE TRUCKS FLYING DOWN THE DIRT ROAD.

THEY ARE FLYING. >> I GUESS THAT IS IT.

>> YOUR TIME IS UP AND WE APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS.

>> THANK YOU. >> NOW, I HAVE A CARD FOR MR. BLACK. DID MR. BLACK WANT TO SPEAK, RODNEY BLACK? PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND

ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. >> RODNEY BLACK, 2125 BUTLER BOULEVARD. MY PROPERTY -- THE PLACE I'M LIVING IN IS 50-FOOT FROM THE FENCE TO THEIR PROPERTY.

THE THING I AM CONCERNED ABOUT, IN THE LATE 70S ME AND A COUPLE OTHER PEOPLE GOT TOGETHER AND WE WERE GONNA OPEN A DAYCARE CENTER AT THE PROPERTY THAT BUTTS UP AGAINST MIDDLEBURG ELEMENTARY. THEY TURNED IT DOWN AND SAID THERE WILL NEVER BE ANY BUSINESSES ON MAIN STREET.

IF YOU TURN DOWN A DAYCARE CENTER RIGHT NEXT TO THE SCHOOL, THINK ABOUT HOW CONVENIENT THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN FOR ALL PEOPLE.

AND BUTLER BOULEVARD IS JUST A DIRT ROAD.

UH DOT -- A LOT OF TIMES THEY BRING THEIR EQUIPMENT DOWN THAT ROAD. THEY PUT BIG POTHOLES IN IT AND IT HOLDS WATER AND THEY HAVE EQUIPMENT -- IT IS LINED UP

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A HUNDRED YARDS THE OTHER WAY YOU'VE GOT MIDDLEBURG ELEMENTARY. AND NOW YOU'RE GONNA HAVE ALL OF THESE BIG COMMERCIAL EQUIPMENT. THEY WILL BE GOING UP AND DOWN THE ROAD. WHO KNOWS WHAT HOURS THEY WANT TO WORK, WHETHER IT IS SATURDAYS AND SUNDAYS.

ON THE WEEKENDS, ON SATURDAY WHEN I'M OFF, I AM WAKING UP BECAUSE OF EVERYTHING CRANKING UP.

THEY HAVE THE WHOLE BACK OF THE PROPERTY LINED UP.

THERE IS A LOT MORE GOING UP THAN WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.

IF YOU CAN TURN DOWN A DAYCARE CENTER, THIS SHOULDN'T BE ANY

QUESTION. >> THANK YOU, MR. BLACK.

>> WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO RESPOND?

>> I DO HEAR EVERYONE'S CONCERNS ABOUT THE NOISE.

UNFORTUNATELY LIKE ANY OTHER BUSINESS WE ARE REGULATED ESPECIALLY BY D.O.T.SO WE ARE NOT ALLOWED TO DRIVE ANYWHERE WITHOUT COVERINGS. WE DON'T START UNTIL 7 A.M.

TYPICALLY AND WE DON'T OPERATE CHAIN SAWS ON A CLEARED PROPERTY. IF THEY START -- START IT TO ENSURE IT STARTS WE ARE NOT REVING THE CHAIN SAWS OUR LIABILITY INSURANCE WOULD GO THROUGH THE ROOF.

OUR TRUCKS CAN'T FIT DOWN BUTLER BOULEVARD.

IT IS VERY TREED AND WOODED. WE ARE NOT DRIVING DOWN BUTLER BOULEVARD. I WOULD NOT DRIVE MY PERSONAL VEHICLE DOWN IT BECAUSE, HE IS RIGHT.

IT IS VERY DIFFICULT TO DRIVE DOWN THERE.

WE DO HAVE FIVE EMPLOYEES PLUS FOUR OWNERS.

ON AN AVERAGE DAY ALONG THE FENCE LINE THERE MAY BE FIVE VEHICLES WHICH IS TRUE. HOWEVER WE HAVE SAID THE PERSON WHO LIVES AT THE HOUSE WAS ABLE TO USE A REAR DRIVEWAY SINCE HE IS DISABLED AND HE DOESN'T HAVE A WAY TO ACCESS THE BACK OF HIS PROPERTY. THERE ARE OCCASIONALLY TWO MORE VEHICLES THERE THAT ARE NOT OURS.

IN TERMS OF THE POLE BARN WE DID SAY WE WOULD TAKE THAT DOWN.

I HAVE SPOKEN WITH MY ENGINEER ON HOW TO DO THAT.

AND FROM MY UNDERSTANDING WE ARE NOT REQUIRED TO GET A FENCE -- A PERMIT FOR A FENCE. WE MAY BE WRONG ON THE POLE BARN, BUT WE ARE READY TO REMEDY IT AND GONE THROUGH THE PROPER

PRECAUTIONS TO DO SO. >> THANK YOU.

>> AT THIS POINT I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

WE HEARD FROM EVERYBODY THAT TURNED IN THE CARDS.

I WILL BRING THIS TO THE COMMISSION FOR COMMENTS AND DISCUSSION AND A MOTION. BILL?

>> I HAVE A LOT OF CONCERN ABOUT THIS, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU.

THIS PART OF MIDDLEBURG IS THE OLD PART OF MIDDLEBURG.

IT IS WHERE THE HISTORICAL AREA -- IT IS THAT WHOLE LITTLE NODE. THAT AT&T THING IS A SUBSTATION, OUT BUILDING, NOT ANYTHING OF SIGNIFICANCE HAPPENS THERE THAT I HAVE SEEN. NOT SINCE THE OCCASIONAL PICKUP TRUCK. IT IS NOT AN ACTIVE SITE FOR A LOT OF COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY. I'M CURIOUS ABOUT THE PROPERTY ON THE LEFT. APPARENTLY IT IS MS. MUELLER'S

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BE ON THE RECORDING. >> WOULD YOU PLEASE COME UP AND SPEAK INTO THE MICROPHONE SO THAT WE CAN GET YOUR -- GET WHAT YOU ARE SAYING? JUST GIVE US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS BEFORE YOU BEGIN SPEAKING.

>> I AM THE PERSON THAT LIVES RIGHT NEXT DOOR AT 3916 MAIN STREET. I AM MRS. PAUL MUELLER.

WHEN WE BOUGHT THE PROPERTY THAT LOT OF COURSE WAS EMPTY.

WE HAD HEARD THAT THERE WAS A HISTORICAL CHURCH A CHURCH WITH A CEMETERY. AS SOON AS WE MOVED IN THE HOUSE , MAYBE YOU REMEMBER MR. HUNTLEY.

HE FOLLOWED US IN AND SAID THE GRAVE STONES FROM THE SEPL -- FROM THE CEMETERY WERE UNDERNEATH OUR HOUSE.

WE OF COURSE IMMEDIATELY LOOKED AND THERE WERE NO GRAVE STONES.

THE TKPWRAEUFP -- THE GRAVE STONES HAVE BEEN MISSING FOR QUITE AWHILE. I LIVE RIGHT NEXT DOOR.

AND THEY STARTED CUTTING DOWN THE TREES ON THE LOT.

>> MA'AM, I WAS CURIOUS WHY IT WAS COMMERCIAL.

>> I DON'T KNOW. WHEN I MOVED IN, I WAS TOLD IT WAS COMMERCIAL AND IT WAS WITHIN SO MANY FEET FROM THE CORNER.

>> SO IT WAS PROBABLY PART OF THE COMP PLAN OR SOMETHING.

THERE IS NO COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY THERE NOW.

IT IS JUST HER PERM RES -- PERSONAL RESIDENCE?

>> OH YEAH. THANK YOU, MA'AM.

THAT'S WHAT I WAS CURIOUS ABOUT. >> THAT'S WHAT THE COMMISSIONER WANTED TO KNOW. YOU'VE ANSWERED THE QUESTION.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. SORRY TO GET YOU OUT OF YOUR

CHAIR. >> THAT'S OKAY.

>> TO ME THE IDEA OF INCONSISTENCY IS ALL OVER THIS.

IF I WAS A NEIGHBOR I WOULDN'T LIKE THE AREA.

AND I AM IN THE DEVELOPMENT INDUSTRY.

I LOVE HEARING DUMP TRUCKS, BUT NOT DOWNTOWN MIDDLEBURG.

THE IDEA THAT SOMEBODY WOULD PUT UP ANY KIND OF 5* BUILDING -- ANY KIND OF A BUILDING WITHOUT A PERMIT IS A MAJOR RED FLAG TO ME. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE ZONING, BUT IT CAUSES CONCERN FOR ME.

AND SO I WILL NOT BE ABLE TO SUPPORT THIS.

>> OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION OR A MOTION.

>> REMEMBER, WE ARE ONLY LOOKING AT LAND USE HERE.

IT IS AN IN-FILL PROPERTY FOR COMMERCIAL AND PHO*RS -- AND MOST OF THE CONCERNS WE HAVE HEARD SEN TEFR AROUND -- CENTER AROUND THE ZONING. KEEP THAT IN MIND IS ALL I'M

POINTING OUT. >> I APPRECIATE THAT.

ONE BEGETS THE OTHER. >> ALL RIGHT.

DO WE HAVE A MOTION? >> I MAKE A MOTION THAT THIS

APPLICATION BE DENIED. >> IS THERE A SECOND? ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR OF DENYING THIS APPLICATION PLEASE RAISE YOUR HANDS.

>> I. ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR. OKAY.

ALL IN FAVOR OF ACCEPTING THE APPLICATION, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND. TWO -- THREE.

THE APPLICATION FAILS 4-3. ALL RIGHT.

WE WILL MOVE TO THE NEXT ITEM OF PUBLIC HEARING NUMBER 3 TO CONSIDER ZON-2022-29. THIS ITEM HAS BEEN WITHDRAWN

[3.  Public Hearing to consider CPA-2022-19 and PUD-2022-11. (District 2, Comm. Compere) (D. Selig)]

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REPORTS AND RECOMMENDATION. >> ONE MOMENT.

JUST LOADING THAT UP. SORRY.

OKAY. SO AS YOU STATED WE HAVE TWO APPLICATIONS TONIGHT. WE WILL PROVIDE YOU WITH ONE PRESENTATION, BUT THEN YOU WILL NEED TO DO TWO SEPARATE PUBLIC HEARINGS. THIS ITEM WILL BE HEARD BY THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS ON MARCH 28TH AT 5 P.M. OR -- IT IS A TIME CERTAIN ITEM. SO 5 P.M. OR SOMETIME THEREAFTER IT CAN BE HEARD. THE APPLICANT IS KIMBERLY HORN AND ASSOCIATES. THE PROPERTY IS OAK LANE AND IT IS COMMISSIONER COMPARES DISTRICT 2.

THERE ARE TWO PARCELS INVOLVED AND A TOTAL OF 23.74-ACRES.

THE FIRST APPLICATION IS A FUTURE LAND USE CHANGE FROM I -- UC10 WHICH IS URBAN CORE 10 TO UC16.

THE SECOND APPLICATION IS A REZONING FROM AR TO PUD.

WE HAVE A SITE HATCHED IN BLACK ON THE LEFT AND OUTLINED IN YELLOW ON THE AERIAL ON THE RIGHT.

THE MAP ON THE LEFT IS THE PROPOSED FUTURE LAND USE CHANGE.

ON THE RIGHT IS THE CURRENT ZONING MAP.

THIS IS EXHIBIT Z FOR THE PROPOSED REZONING OF THE PROPERTY. I PUT THESE SLIDES IN BEFORE WE MOVED THEM OUT. PARDON ME.

BECAUSE WE JUST WERE TALKING ABOUT THE DIFFERENCE IN LEGISLATIVE, THIS BEING A LEGISLATIVE DECISION, THE COMPARISON BETWEEN THE CURRENT FUTURE LAND USE CAT -- CATEGORY AND THE FUTURE PROPOSED ONE, I GAVE YOU A CHART HERE SO THAT YOU CAN SEE THE DIFFERENCES. SO UNDER THE CURRENT DENSITY ALLOWANCE IT IS UP TO 10 UNITS PER ACRE.

THE PROPOSED CHANGE GOES UP TO 16 UNITS PER ACRE.

AND IT IS ADJACENT TO SINGLE-FAMILY USE.

THERE ARE DENSITY BONUSES ALLOWED CURRENTLY, UP TO 15 UNITS PER ACRE IF IT IS AN IN-FILL PROJECT THAT MEETS TRADITIONAL DEVELOPMENT OR 16 UNITS PER ACRE IF IT IS PROVISION FOR HOUSING FOR THE ELDERLY OR HANDICAPPED OR HOUSING FOR VERY LOW, LOW OR MODERATE INCOME HOUSE -- HOUSEHOLDS. THE PROPOSED CHANGE CAN GO UP TO 20 UNITS FOR THE VERY LOW, LOW OR MODERATE INCOME HOUSEHOLDS.

THE USES ALLOWED ARE SINGLE-FAMILY DETACHED AND TOWNHOMES AND MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL.

THAT'S THE CURRENT USES. AND THE SAME LIST OF USES UNDER THE PROPOSED FUTURE LAND USE CATEGORY.

STAFF HAS LOOKED AT THE CRITERIA FOR BOTH APPLICATIONS, SPECIFICALLY TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF CPA-2022- 19 AND THE CRITERIA FOR THE REZONING AND DETERMINE THOSE HAVE BEEN MET AND RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF PUD-2022-11. I WILL GO BACK AND WE WILL LEAVE THE COMPARISON UP FOR YOU. THE APPLICANT DOES HAVE A

PRESENTATION. >> THANK YOU.

ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF FROM MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION? SINCE WE HAVE BOTH LAND USE AND ZONING, DO YOU WANT TO GO AHEAD AND DO THE SWEARING IN NOW BEFORE THE APPLICANT MAKES THEIR

PRESENTATION? >> PROBABLY A GOOD WAY.

>> OKAY. LET'S GO AHEAD AND DO THAT.

IF THE APPLICANT AND EVERYONE WHO TURNED IN A CARD TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM WOULD STAND AND BE SWORN BY THE CLERK'S

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REPRESENTATIVE. >> AND IF YOU HAVEN'T TURNED IN A CARD, BUT THINK YOU WANT TO SPEAK, PLEASE STAND NOW.

THANK YOU. ALL RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND, DO YOU ALL SOLEMNLY SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE TESTIMONY YOU WILL GIVE WILL BE THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH

SO HELP YOU GOD? >> I DO.

>> THE APPLICANT CAN COME FORWARD AND MAKE HIS PRESENTATION. PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND

ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. >> GOOD EVENING.

MY NAME IS MARK SHELTON AND A CERTIFIED PLANNER WITH KENLEY HORN AND ASSOCIATES. 12740 GRAND PARKWAY WEST SUITE 2350, JACKSONVILLE, FLORIDA 322 58.

I AM BEFORE YOU TONIGHT TO REQUEST YOUR CONSIDERATION AND APPROVAL OF THE PROJECT KNOWN AS REPUBLIC MULTI-FAMILY.

FIRST OF ALL I WAFPBT TO SAY THANK YOU FORGIVING -- I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FORGIVING US AN OPPORTUNITY TO MEET WITH THE COMMUNITY. WE MET WITH THEM TWICE, AND I HOPE MY BRUISES HAVE HEALED. TO BEGIN -- THERE IT IS.

DODIE DID A GOOD JOB OF INTRODUCING THIS AND YOU HAVE SEEN IT BEFORE. OAK LANE AND BLANDING.

23.74-ACRES. THE ZONING IS AR AND EXISTING LAND USE IS UC10. TO BEGIN, IT WOULD BE A FAILURE NOT TO MENTION THAT THIS SAME THING HAPPENED IN 2005.

A SITE PLAN WAS SUBMITTED FOR A LAND USE CHANGE AND REZONING.

THE SITE PLAN YOU SEE HERE IS THAT SITE PLAN.

IT OFFERED 320 UNITS AND 22-ACRES AND CONNECTED TO BEAR RUN AND HAD ZERO ACRES OF PRESERVED WET LANDS.

KNOWING THIS WE PURPOSELY AND DELIBERATELY CHANGED THE PLAN.

IT IS A THOUGHTFUL AND DELIBERATE DESIGN IN CONSIDERATION OF THE LOCATION AND SITE CONSTRAINTS.

EVERY ASPECT OF OUR PLAN MEETS OR EXCEEDS THE EXISTING CLAY COUNTY CODES. WE ARE NOT CONNECTED TO BEAR RUN AND NOR DO WE PLAN TO BE. WE ARE PRESERVING A LARGE PORTION OF THE EXISTING WET LANDS AND ADDING ACREAGE TO THE SITE, YET LOWERING THE DENSITY. REAL QUICK THIS IS A DENSITY TABLE FROM THE COUNTY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

AS YOU CAN SEE, IF WE WERE PRE -- PREPARING LOW, PHOD -- MODERATE OR ELDERLY HOUSING WE COULD GO AS HIGH AS 16 UNITS AN ACRE IN OUR EXISTING LAND USE. OR AS HIGH AS 20-INCH AN ACRE -- 20 UNITS AN ACRE IN THE PROPOSED LAND USE.

WE ARE NOT. WE ARE NOT EVEN PROPOSING 16 AN ACRE. THE ONLY REASON BEFORE YOU IS THERE IS NOT A 12-UNIT AN ACRE OPTION.

WE ARE PROPOSING 12.8-ACRES. IF WE WERE TO MITIGATE ALL OF THE WET LANDS ON SITE WE WOULD ACTUALLY BE JUST OVER 11 UNITS AN ACRE. THIS AMOUNTS TO A 30% DECREASE FROM OUR MAXIMUM DENSITY. OUR MAXIMUM DENSITY IS 380 UNITS. WE ARE NOT ASKING FOR THAT.

WE PURPOSELY WENT 30% LESS THAN THAT.

THIS NEXT SLIDE IS AN EXHIBIT SHOWING SURROUNDING COMMERCIAL USES. AS YOU CAN SEE GOING CLOCKWISE TO NORTH, OUR ENTIRE NORTHERN PROPERTY LINE IS A COMMERCIAL DOG PARK. TO OUR EAST IS THE MOBILE GAS STATION AND GOODWILL WILL. TO THE SOUTH IS WALGREENS AND A VILLAGE SHOPPING CENTER. TO THE WEST, SOUTHWEST, ARE TWO COUNTY OFFICES. TO THE NORTHWEST ARE FIVE BEGINNING -- SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AND TWO ARE WREN -- RENTALS.

THIS IS ABSOLUTELY AN IN-FILL SITE AS DEFINED BY THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. THE SITE SHOULD BE A GRADUAL REDUCTION IN INTENSITY GOING NORTHWARD.

TO THAT POINT WE HAVE INCLUDED THIS EXHIBIT WHICH IS A COMMONLY ACCEPT EDDIE PICKS OF YOU ARE -- COMMONLY ACCEPTED DEPICTION.

MOST JURISDICTIONS, IF NOT ALL, HAVE AN URBAN FORM DESIRE THAT HAS A GRADUAL REDUCTION IN INTENSITY.

AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, FOCUSING ON THE T6.

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IT IS ADJACENT TO THE INTERSECTION.

AND THEN MULTI-FAMILY, THEN SINGLE-FAMILY AND THEN LARGE SINGLE-FAMILY LOTS AND THEN AGRICULTURAL.

THERE IS A GRADUAL RE -- REDUCTION IN INTENSITY.

IT IS THE SAME THING WE ARE REQUESTING HERE.

SO IT IS IMPORTANT WHEN CONSIDERING A LAND USE CHANGE AND REZONING, ARE WE CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN? WE BELIEVE WE ARE. SO DOES STAFF.

THIS SLIDE SHOWS HOW THIS LOCATION AND THIS USE IS IMPLICITLY DESCRIBED AND DEFENDED BY THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. THIS USE SATISFIED MARKET DEMANDS -- THIS USE SATISFIES MARKET DEMANDS AND IN-FILL DEVELOPMENT. IT IS AN AREA WITH URBAN SERVICE AREAS. IT IS IN THE URBAN SERVICE AREAS WHERE PUBLIC SERVICES AND FACILITIES ARE AVAILABLE.

AND IF YOU FOCUS ON THE FUTURE LAND USE ELEMENT POLICY 1.5.4, NEW RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENTS AT GROSS DENSITIES LESS THAN THREE UNITS AN ACRE SHALL BE DISCOURAGED IN THE URBAN SERVICE AREA. AGAIN, ANOTHER POLICY ON URBAN IN-FILL IN A HOUSING ELEMENT ENCOURAGING IN URBAN AREAS.

AS PUBLIC FACILITIES AND SERVICES ARE EMPHASIZED BY THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, IT IS IMPORTANT THAT WE SHOW YOU -- WE QUICKLY SHOW YOU THE NEARBY LOCATIONS.

WE MENTIONED THIS LAST TIME THAT WE WERE BEFORE YOU.

THERE IS A HOSPITAL WITHIN 2.1 MILES.

A TRANSIT STOP ACROSS THE STREET AT .2.

2 PUBLIC SCHOOLS WITHIN ONE MILE.

AND A FIRE STATION WITHIN 1.66 MILES.

WE ALSO HAVE WATER AND SEWER. ALTHOUGH THE 2020 COMP PLAN IS NOT APPLICABLE TO UC16, IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT IT QUALIFIES FOR 130 POINTS. THIS IS EVIDENCE OF COMP PLAN COMPLY KWREUPBS -- COMPLIANCE. AS ONE OF THE PREVIOUSLY MENTIONED GOALS ELUDED TO, THERE IS A MARKET DEMAND FOR THIS USE AT THIS LOCATION. THROUGH RESEARCH WE FOUND 89% OF DWELLINGS IN CLAY COUNTY ARE SINGLE FAMILY.

THAT COMBINED WITH THE FACT THAT THE CLAY COUNTY POPULATION INCREASED BY 52,000 SINCE 2005 SHOWS THERE IS A VITAL NEED TO PROVIDE A RESIDENTIAL MIX OF OPTIONS.

THIS NEXT SLIDE IS THE PLAN TO INCREASE THE CODE REQUIRED SETBACKS WHERE WE ARE ADJACENT TO SINGLE FAMILY.

THIS IS TO THE WEST. THE TYPICAL SETBACK IS 25 FEET.

WE ARE PROPOSING 135 FEET. WE ALSO POSITIONED THE DRIVEWAYS AND THE LIGHTING IN CONSIDERATION OF OUR NEIGHBORS.

WE WANT TO MAKE SURE ALL LIGHTING WILL MEET REQUIREMENTS AS YOU HAVE HEARD IN THE PRIOR ITEMS. THERE WILL BE NO LIGHT POLLUTION ON RESIDENTIAL.

IN CLOSING, WE WANT TO POINT OUT THAT THIS PROJECT IS ONE OF THE RARE OCCURRENCES WHERE THERE IS SCHOOL CONCURRENCY AVAILABLE AT ALL TYPES OF SCHOOLS AS EVIDENCED BY THIS LETTER FROM THE SCHOOL BOARD. WE ALSO WANT TO PROVIDE EVIDENCE THAT WE HAVE COMPLIED WITH EVERY TRAFFIC ANALYSIS REQUESTED AND HAVE NOT RECEIVED CAPACITY CONCERNS BY THE COUNTY OR STATE AS YOU CAN SEE ON THIS D.O.T.LETTER.

WE WILL BE PAYING INTO THE COUNTY-REQUIRED MOBILITY FEE.

BEFORE I CLOSE, I WOULD LIKE TO STATE FOR THE RECORD A FEW OF THE STAFF COMMENTS YOU CAN FIND IN YOUR REPORT.

THE SUBJECT PARCELS ARE LOCATED BEHIND COMMERCIAL PROPERTY, THE FRONT A LANDING BOULEVARD THAT HAS A HIGH VOLUME OF THROUGH TRAFFIC AND SEVERAL MASS TRANSIT ROUTE OPTIONS.

THE EXISTING AR DESIGNATION IS ILLOGICAL IN THIS LOCATION.

THE BLANDING BOULEVARD CORRIDOR MAKES AN IDEAL LOCATION FOR MULTI-FAMILY IN-FILL DEVELOPMENT.

THE SUBJECT PARCELS HAVE AN INTENSITY OF DEVELOPMENTS SINCE THEY WERE ORIGINALLY ZONED. THE PROPOSED REZONE IS COMPATIBLE TO THE COMP PLAN AND RAISES THE OBJECTIVE OF REDESIGNING ESPECIALLY IN IN-FILL AND HIGHER DENSITY AND TRANSIT ALTERNATIVES. AND THERE IS NO PUBLIC PURPOSE FOR THE AR ZONING DISTRICT FOR THESE NEW PARCELS.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. WE ALSO RESPECT TIME FOR REBUTTAL. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'M

HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM. >> ANY QUESTIONS?

>> I JUST HAVE ONE QUICK QUESTION.

TO THE 130 POINTS, WHAT DID THAT RELATE TO?

>> TO VALIDATE GOING TO HIGHER DENSITIES YOU HAVE TO QUALIFY WITH CERTAIN POINTS. YOU GET POINTS FOR HOW CLOSE

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THAT'S WHY WE WENT BY THE CODE -- BY THE COMP PLAN, THE HOSPITAL, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, THE SCHOOLS AND THE LIKE.

AND YOU HAVE TO HAVE WATER AND SEWER.

IT IS AN EXAMPLE OF AN URBAN SERVICE AREA TO ENSURE AN URBAN

CONSIDERATION. >> HOW IS THAT RELATIVE TO SOME BASELINE? IS ZERO CONSIDERED SPRAWL?

>> IF YOU HAD ZERO POINTS YOU WOULD BE CONSIDERED SPRAWLING WHICH IS THE AN -- THE AN AT THIS TIME -- ANTITHESIS.

>> SO FOR THIS PROJECT WHAT IS AN IDEAL SCORE?

JUST CURIOUS. >> [INAUDIBLE].

>> 50 WOULD HAVE BEEN GOOD ENOUGH.

TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW FAR BEYOND -- JUST CURIOUS.

>> A GOOD SCORE TO GET TO UC-10 IF WE WERE TRYING TO GO TO UC-10 IS 130. WE ARE AT 130.

>> OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE APPLICANT?

MICHAEL? >> MR. SHELTON, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE THIS EVENING. I THE -- I HAD A QUESTION.

WHEN WE HEARD THIS 60-DAYS AGO ROUGHLY YOU WERE GRACIOUS ENOUGH TO AGREE TO TABLE IT AT THAT TIME SO THAT YOU COULD MEET WITH THE CITIZENS. AND YOU ELUDED TO IT INITIALLY WITH YOUR OPENING COMMENTS. I AM CURIOUS AND I'M SURE THE COMMISSION IS CURIOUS, YOU MET WITH THEM TWICE YOU SAID.

>> YES, SIR. >> HOW DID THOSE MEETINGS GO AND WAS THERE ANY MEETING OF THE MINDS?

>> YES AND NO. FIRST OF ALL WE APPRECIATE THE ORGANIZATION THAT SOME OF THE MEMBERS HAD WE -- HAD.

WE WERE ABLE TO CAREFULLY CONSIDER EVERY REQUEST.

THE PDF, THE POWER POINT PRESENTATION WAS 50 OR 60 PAGES OF PICTURES AND CONSIDERATIONS. WE TRIED TO TALK TO OUR TEAM ABOUT WHAT WE COULD NEGOTIATE AND AGREE TO.

A LOT OF THESE REQUESTS IF I MAY JUST SPEAK TO A COUPLE OF THEM, BLANDING BOULEVARD ACCESS. WE CAN'T ACHIEVE PER D.O.T.STANDARDS. THEY JUST SAY YOU CAN'T HAVE ACCESS. THE ONE REQUEST WAS TO PROVIDE A ROAD BETWEEN THE SHOPPING CENTER AND K CLAY COUNTY -- AND CLAY COUNTY STORM WATER POND. THAT WOULD REQUIRE REDUCING PONDS AND IT IS UNFEASIBLE. IT IS IMPOSSIBLE.

AND NC -- AND D.O.T.WOULDN'T GO FOR IT.

A TRAFFIC LIGHT IS NOT WARRANTED AND THEY SAID WE WILL NOT GRANT IT TO YOU. ANOTHER REQUEST IS FOR A 24-INCH CULVERT. WRAOE SPOKE ABOUT THAT -- WE DID SPEAK ABOUT THAT LAST TIME. ANOTHER REQUEST WAS FOR WILDLIFE AND BUFFERS. THIS IS SPH-BG THAT -- SOMETHING THAT WE ARE GOING TO MEET THE CODE.

WE HAD EVERY INTENTION OF MEETING OR EXCEEDING THE CODE.

THEY ASKED FOR A BROWN-COLORED FENCE.

THEY REQUESTED TO ENCLOSE AND SHIELD THE TRASH COMPACTER.

THE BIG ONE WAS REDUCING THE UNIT COUNT.

THEY BELIEVE AT 270 UNITS IT WAS TOO MUCH.

WE COULD NOT GO DOWN LOWER THAN THAT.

270 MAKES THE PROJECT FEASIBLE. THE LAST THING WAS A DISCUSSION ABOUT MOVING BUILDINGS AROUND AT THE SITE.

THAT WAS MOSTLY THE POTENTIALLY NEW ACCESS.

IF YOU CAN'T GET THE NEW ACCESS, THEN YOU CAN'T MOVE THE

BUILDINGS AROUND. >> THANK YOU.

APPRECIATE IT. >> OTHER QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS FOR MR. SHELTON? ALL RIGHT.

THEN I BELIEVE I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC COMMENT HEARING.

>> I HAVE A NUMBER OF CARDS AND I WILL START WITH MICHELLE BENNETT. MS. MICHELLE BENNETT PRESENT? PLEASE APPROACH THE PODIUM AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.

>> I'M MICHELLE BENNETT. I LIVE AT 785 OAK LEE PLANTATION PARKWAY AND 724 ORANGE PARK, FLORIDA.

MY SISTER AND HER HUSBAND LIVE ON B STREET NORTH.

I KNOW THE ISSUES OF TRYING TO GET IN AND OUT OF THERE WHEN THE TRAFFIC IS REALLY HEAVY. I ALSO SHOT AND GET -- I ALSO

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AND WALGREENS, I GO INTO WALGREENS.

I KNOW THE TRAFFIC ISSUES OF TRYING TO GET IN AND OUT.

OAK STREET OR OAK LANE IS JUST ONE LANE IN AND ONE LANE OUT.

I DON'T SEE HOW THEY CAN HANDLE THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC THAT IS COMING IN AND OUT OF THERE. IT IS HARD TO GET OUT OF THE SHOPPING CENTER. THE LEFT LANE IS FOR STRAIGHT OR LEFT. THERE IS NO TURN LIGHT.

THERE IS A DESIGNATED RIGHT LANE TURN.

THE TRAFFIC IS GOING TO BE CRAZY AND THE SCHOOLS ALREADY HAVE A LOT OF CROWDEDNESS THERE. HE SAID THEY ARE NOT GOING TO ALLOW FOR A LIGHT AT BEAR RUN. I KNOW I HAVE HAD ISSUES GETTING IN AND OUT OF THERE AS WELL. IT IS JUST REALLY, REALLY A LOT OF ISSUES MAINLY WITH THE TRAFFIC ISSUES AND WHETHER OR NOT IT WAS GONNA CAUSE ANY RUNOFFS WITH WATER BECAUSE BEAR RUN HAS HAD ISSUES WITH FLOODING WHEN IT REALLY, REALLY EVERY -- HEAVILY RAINS. THOSE WERE THE MAIN ISSUES OF CONCERN. IT WAS THE TRAFFIC AND WHETHER OR NOT -- THE WILDLIFE WAS ANOTHER, BUT WHETHER OR NOT THERE WAS GOING TO BE ANY RUNOFF OF WATER COMING DOWN WHEN WE HAVE THE HEAVY STORMS. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU, MS. BENNETT. THE NEXT CARD I HAVE IS FOR --

>> DID YOU WANT TO HAVE SEPARATE PUBLIC HEARINGS OR JUST --

>> WE WERE JUST GOING TO GO AHEAD AND --

>> OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

>> WE'LL HAVE DIFFERENT MOTIONS, BUT IT JUST SEEMED LIKE THIS

MADE MORE SENSE. >> OKAY.

SORRY. >> JANICE ECKHOLM.

PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND IF YOU NEED TO MOVE

THE MIC DOWN TO REACH IT -- >> MY NAME IS JANICE AND I LIVE AT 1316 RUSHING DRIVE ORANGE PARK 32065.

THANK YOU DEAR ZONING BOARD FOR LAWYER -- HEARING US.

PLEASE DO NOT CONSIDER THIS SAW PART MEANT COMPLEX.

I KNOW YOU DO NOT WANT TO HEAR ABOUT THE OVERCROWDING AT SCHOOLS AND TRAFFIC. HOWEVER, WHEN I ASK ABOUT THE TRAFFIC I WAS TOLD THAT D.O.T WOULD HANDLE THAT.

WHEN? SHOULDN'T THEY HAVE H-PBLED THIS PRIOR? SHOULDN'T THEY HAVE HAD A MEETING PRIOR FOR D.O.T TO HANDLE THAT? I AM ASKING TO YOU THINK WITH YOUR HEAD AND NOT YOUR HEART.

OUR HEARTS BECOME GREEDY. I WANT YOU TO LOGICALLY THINK WHAT YOU ARE DOING TO THESE HOMEOWNERS.

WE PERSONALLY TALK TO HOMEOWNERS WHO HAVE CONSIDERED SELLING IF THIS GOES THROUGH. I KNOW THAT MIGHT NOT MATTER TO YOU, BUT A LOT OF THESE PEOPLE HAVE BEEN THERE FOR YEARS.

I AM ALSO ASKING YOU WITH -- ABOUT THE TRAFFIC LIGHT.

WE WERE TOLD IT WOULD NOT HAPPEN BCAUSE IT WAS A SHORT DISTANCE FROM WHERE IT IS AT OAK STREET. I AM ASKING YOU TO REMEMBER 95% OF THE HOMEOWNERS SIGNED A PETITION NOT TO HAVE THIS APARTMENT COMPLEX. THINK ABOUT THAT.

I AM ASKING YOU TO TO THINK WOULD YOU WANT AN APARTMENT COMPLEX THAT CLOSE TO YOUR RESIDENTIAL AREA? WOULD YOU WANT IT IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD? THANK YOU AND I AM ASKING YOU TO VOTE NO.

>> THANK YOU. I HAVE A CARD FOR JEFF ECKHOLM.

WOULD MR. JEFF ECKHOLM LIKE TO SPEAK?

STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. >> JEFF ECKHOLM AND LIVE AT 1316 RUSHING DRIVE ORANGE PARK 32065. FIRST OFF I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING US TO SPEAK TONIGHT.

APPRECIATE THE JOB YOU DO FOR THE COUNTY.

MY CONCERN IS MORE SAFETY THAOP. WE HAD THIS DISCUSSION IN 2005 WITH THE APARTMENT COME PHREBGDZ AND -- KOFPL -- COMPLEX AND NOBODY LISTENED. OAK LANE IS A TWO-LANE ROAD AND AFTER THAT IT GOES TO ONE LANE. THERE ARE TWO SCHOOLS IN WALKING

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YOU GO THROUGH THE INTERSECTION OF OAK AND HARRISON AND THERE IS NO CROSSWALKS. MATTER OF FACT, THERE IS NOTHING TO GO ACROSS OAK STREET TO HARRISON.

WHEN YOU WALK DOWN THE SIDEWALK -- I ASK YOU TO WALK DOWN THE SIDEWALK. YOU HAVE A TWO-FOOT LANE BECAUSE OF THE GARBAGE, THE TRASH, THE LIMBS AND THE WAY THE SIDEWALKS ARE HAO*EFED. -- HEAVED.

YOU HAVE ONE SLAB THAT IS UP ONE, TWO, THREE INCHES.

THERE IS NO STREETLIGHT TO BE SAFE.

THE CARS SPEED DOWN THERE AND THERE IS A LOT OF TRAFFIC.

THE PARENTS DRIVE DOWN THERE AND BRING THEIR KIDS IN.

IT IS DANGEROUS FOR KIDS TO GET INTO THE SCHOOL.

THE DEVELOPER SAID THEY DID HAVE TWO MEETINGS -- PUBLIC MEETINGS.

WE ONLY HAD THE QUESTION TIME FOR 30 MINUTES AT EACH MEETING FOR RESIDENTS TO SPEAK. THEY HAD A PRIVATE MEETING WITH A FEW OF THE RESIDENTS AND A COMMISSIONER PRIOR TO THE 5:30 MEETING THAT NIGHT. WE SPENT MOST OF THE TIME -- THE FIRST 30 MINUTES LISTENING TO WHAT WAS SAID ABOUT WHAT WAS TOLD TO THEM. WRAOE DO NOT -- WE DO NOT -- NEVER WANTED TO COMPROMISE TO HAVE ANYTHING.

OUR STAND WAS NO APARTMENTS. GLEN -- AGAIN, I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU FOR THE TIME AND OPPORTUNITY YOU HAVE DONE.

I ASK THAT YOU PLEASE VOTE TO KEEP THE ZONING AS IT IS.

I DON'T OPPOSE HAVING HOUSES BUILT IN THERE.

IT IS NOT THAT MUCH. I ASK YOU TO VOTE NO.

LIKE MY WIFE SAYS, WOULD YOU LIKE TO HAVE A THREE-STORY APARTMENT BUILDINGS IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD?

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. >> THANK YOU.

THE NEXT CARD I HAVE IS FOR ANNE MARIE MAE? PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

>> ANNE MARIE MAE THE, 1264 RUSHING DRIVE.

I OPPOSE THIS, OBVIOUSLY. WHICH IS WHY I AM UP HERE.

THE TRAFFIC ISSUE IS GOING TO BE TREMENDOUS.

OAK LANE CANNOT HANDLE ANYMORE TRAFFIC THAN IT ALREADY HAS.

IT IS A TWO-LANE ROAD AND YOU CANNOT BUILD IT OUT ANY FARTHER.

AND REGARDING THE ZONING CHANGE WE HAVE MET UP WITH THE DEVELOPER SEVERAL TIMES AND I KNOW THIS PARCEL -- CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, IT IS CONTINGENT ON THE ZONING CHANGE.

IT HAS NOT BEEN SOLD AT THIS TIME.

THIS ZONING COULD CHANGE TO RESIDENTIAL OR KEEP IT THE WAY IT IS AND I ALSO SPOKE TO THE CLAY COUNTY SCHOOLS AND THEY SAID THE CHILDREN -- RIDGE VIEW HIGH SCHOOL IS PRETTY FULL AND THE CHILDREN WOULD BE BUSSED TO ORANGE -- ORANGE PARK HIGH SCHOOL. AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY.

>> THANK YOU MS. MAE. THE NEXT CARD WE HAVE IS FOR MARY COOK. PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND

ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. >> MY NAME IS MARY COOK AND LIVE AT 3159 BONNIE STREET. THE LAST TIME WE WERE HERE, IT WAS RECOMMENDED THAT WE MEET WITH THE DEVELOPER.

WE ANNOUNCED THE MEETING ABOUT -- WITH THE COMMUNITY ON THE LOCAL CHURCH. WE HAD 40 RESIDENTS SHOW UP.

WE COULD HASH OUT WHAT IT WAS WE WERE GOING AFTER AND WHAT IT IS WE NEED TO DO SO WE COULD HAVE A CIVIL, PROFESSIONAL, CONFLICT RESOLUTION AND TO COLLABORATE AND COME UP WITH AN ANSWER.

UNFORTUNATELY THERE ARE SOME RESIDENTS IN THE COMMUNITY THAT DIDN'T HEAR ABOUT THAT. AT THAT MEETING WE HAD A LOT OF

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FINALLY I ASKED THEM, DO YOU WANT ME TO TAKE LEAD ON THIS? THERE WAS A RESOUNDING YES. I ASKED FOR A TEAM, I ASKED FOR SOME OTHER RESIDENTS TO HELP. LET'S DO A TEAM.

LET'S COME UP WITH A PLAN SO WE CAN COLLABORATE.

I WOULD LIKE TO PASS THESE OUT TO THE BOARD.

THIS IS WHAT WE PRESENTED. WE HAD A PRELIMINARY MEETING TO THE PUBLIC MEETING WITH THE DEVELOPER REPRESENTATIVES AND COMMISSIONER ALEXANDER. SO WE CAN HAVE THE QUIET ATMOSPHERE IN ORDER TO PRESENT WHAT CAME FROM THE CHURCH MEETING AND WHAT WE COLLABORATED TO GIVE, AND WE WERE GOING TO PRESENT IT AT THE PUBLIC MEETING AS WELL.

SO WE MET WITH THE DEVELOPER REPRESENTATIVES AS RECOMMENDED.

WE HAVE CHOSEN TO TAKE THE POSITION OF COLLABORATION SERIOUSLY. AND WE HOPED FOR A WIN/WIN SITUATION. WE WANTED TO SEE A MIX OF STRUCTURES WITH MEANDERING ROADS TO PROVIDE A CHARACTER OF COMMUNITY THAT WAS COMPLEMENTARY IN SIZE AND STRUCTURE TO BEAR RUN. WE KNEW THIS COULD BE ACCOMPLISHED BASED ON THE TANGLEWOOD PROJECT OF PUD UC10 THAT HAD JUST BEEN PROCESSED ACROSS THE STREET FROM WHERE THIS PROJECT. OUR PRESENTATION WITH THE DEVELOPERS AND COMMISSIONERS COMPARE WAS SAID WAS UNPRECEDENTED AND RECEIVED WITH GREAT INTEREST FOR SUCCESS.

WE TRIED TO THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX.

LET'S COME UP WITH A DIFFERENT WAY OF DOING THIS.

IT CAN KEEP THE COMPLEMENTARY CHARACTER.

WE MET AND TO OUR SHOCK AND DISAPPOINTMENT REPUBLIC PROPERTY SAID NO FOR EVERYTHING WE NEEDED FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT TO BE COMPATIBLE. THEY WANT TO BUILD THEIR OWN SIGNATURE DESIGN, 9, 30, 3-STORY BUILDINGS YOU WOULD FIND IN A CIRCLE LIKE A RESORT. IT DEMOTES A TURN KEY HOTEL DESIGN. --

>> MCKAO*BG I -- MS. KAO*BG -- COOK I WILL ASK YOU TO WRAP IT

UP. >> INCREASING KWAUPBT AND -- QUANTITY AND QUALITY IS NOT GOOD.

>> IT IS OPPRESSIVE WITH NO FAMILY SPACE OUTSIDE YOUR FRONT DOOR. TOO MANY PEOPLE IN A CONFINED SPACE WOULD LEAD TO CONFLICT AND DESTRUCTION.

SHERIFF MICHELLE COOK AND HER STAFF DO NOT NEED TO SECURE WORK I GET THAT YOU HAVE A JOB TO DO. I RESPECT THAT.

YOU HAVE A CHECKLIST. YOU ALSO HAVE TO CONSIDER OTHER ASPECTS. YOU MAY NOT BE ELECTED, BUT YOU ARE HIRED TO RESPECT THE INTEGRITY OF THE CITIZENS AND TONIGHT THE 38-YEAR-OLD HISTORICALLY HEALTHY, STRONG, MULTI-GENERATIONAL FAMILY COMMUNITY OF BEAR RUN DESERVES THAT. PLEASE MAKE A WISE CHOICE.

REPUBLIC PROPERTIES DONUT ARCHITECTURE IS NOT CONDUCIVE OF FAMILY COMMUNITY CHARACTER. I THANK YOU AS A RESPONSIBLE PROPERTY OWNER AND CITIZEN OF THE COMMUNITY TO TURN DOWN THIS APPLICATION. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

[APPLAUSE]. >> WE DON'T HAVE THAT IN HERE.

WE DON'T HAVE THAT BEHAVIOR. EVERYBODY GETS TO SPEAK.

WE HAVE ONE PERSON SPEAK AT A TIME.

WE DO NOT ENGAGE IN THAT BEHAVIOR.

THANK YOU. >> THE NEXT CARD I IS FOR DOYLE WWNWARD. WYNWARD.

>> GOOD EVENING. I LIVE AT 1221B STREET.

THAT'S IN THE BEAR RUN COMMUNITY.

I AM GONNA TAKE A MINUTE TO EXPAND ON WHAT MARY JUST SAID.

WE HAD THOSE MEETINGS. WE ACTED IN GOOD FAITH.

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I REMEMBER ONE OF THE COMMISSIONERS AND I THINK YOU WILL KNOW WHO YOU ARE SAID THAT, YOU KNOW, THE OWNER HAS RIGHTS TOO. THE OWNER HAS THE RIGHTS TO DEVELOP THIS PROPERTY. I DO NOT DISAGREE WITH THAT.

ACTUALLY I THINK THE PUD-2022-11 REZONING TO TWO PARCELS FROM AGRICULTURE TO PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT, I'M A SUPPORTER OF THAT. I THINK WE CAN DO THAT.

I ALSO THINK THAT THERE COULD BE SOME DEVELOPMENT IN THERE, AND THE PLAN WE PRESENTED THAT YOU ARE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW WOULD BE QUALIFIED UNDER URBAN CORE. DO I THINK -- WE WENT BACK IN GOOD FAITH AND PRESENTED A PLAN WE THOUGHT WAS WORKABLE AND IT WAS ROUNDLY REJECTED. THAT BEING SAID I'M GONNA ASK YOU REJECT THIS MOVE TO -- YOU KNOW, IF YOU APPROVE PUD2022-11 AND KEEP THE URBAN CORE 10 AND ALLOW THEM TO DEVELOP AS WE SHOW ON THE SLIDE YOU HAVE, WE WOULD BE SUPPORTIVE OF THAT.

THAT'S NOT WHAT THEY WANT TO DO. THAT BEING SAID, I WILL ASK THAT Y'ALL DE NIGHT -- Y'ALL DENY TODAY'S APPEAL.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. >> THANK YOU.

I HAVE SHAY CALHOUN NEXT. PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND

ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. >> GOOD EVENING.

MY NAME IS SHAY CALHOUN AND I LIVE AT 3203 BEAR RUN BOULEVARD.

THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK TONIGHT.

I AM ONE OF THE FIVE HOUSE THAT'S WILL BE DIRECTLY AFFECTED BY THIS DEVELOPMENT. THE BUILDERS ARE ASKING TO BUILD A MONEY STROS -- MONSTORCITY. AFTER MEETINGS, THERE WAS AN IMPASSE ON AN AGREEMENT TO WORK TOGETHER ON THIS PLOT OF LAND.

WITH THAT BEING SAID, I AM ASKING -- NAY, IMPLORING THAT YOU DENY THESE CORPORATE INTIMIDATORS TO BUILD IN THIS COMMUNITY. OBVIOUSLY THEIR DECISIONS NOT TO WORK WITH THE COMMUNITY IS A DIRECTORY FLECTION ON HOW THEY WILL TREAT THEIR FUTURE TENANTS AND OTHER COMMUNITIES.

THERE IS NO NEED TO BUILD TO -- 270 APARTMENTS WHERE WITHIN A MILE IN EACH DIRECTION THERE ARE NEW APARTMENTS, CONDOMINIUMS AND HOUSES BEING BUILT. THIS IS SOMETHING YOU NEED TO CONSIDER WHEN ALLOWING COMPANIES TO BUILD ON CLAY COUNTY PROPERTIES. DO YOU WANT TO BE KNOWN AS THE BOARD LURED INTO ALLOWING CORPORATE INTIMIDATORS TO DEVELOP IN CLAY COUNTY? I WOULD HOPE NOT.

PLEASE RECONSIDER ALLOWING THIS COMPANY ONE MORE FOOT HOLD IN OUR AMAZING COMMUNITY THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND YOUR

UNDERSTANDING. >> THANK YOU, MS. CALHOUN.

THE NEXT CARD IS FOR MATTHEW BRACKEN.

IS HE PRESENT? CALLING -- FOLLOWING MR. BRACKEN IS DEBORAH LIADAHL SO YOU ARE PREPARED WHEN MR. BRACKEN FINISHES. STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR

THE RECORD. >> MATT BRACKEN AND I LIVE AT 3174B STREET IN BEAUTIFUL BEAR RUN.

I TOOK A PICTURE AT THE LIBRARY AND IT WAS GRAY.

I COULDN'T WORK WITH IT AND I COULDN'T COPY IT.

I MADE A LIGHT BOX, CLEAR PLEXIGLASS.

IT IS A FAITHFUL RENDITION. IT IS THE SAME EXACT THING.

I WANT TO SHOW A FEW THINGS ON THIS THAT PEOPLE HAVEN'T REALLY MENTIONED. I WISH YOU WOULD GO AND LOOK AT THIS. DRIVE TO OAK LANE.

PLEASE. IT IS HARD TO APPRECIATE IN FLAT MIDDLEBURG. THIS IS A BIG HILL.

COMING DOWN FROM WALGREENS TO BEAR RUN BOULEVARD WHERE THE LITTLE BLACK CREEK IS, THAT'S THE BIGGEST HILL IN CLAY COUNTY.

IT IS A SKI SLOPE. THE WATER -- WATER SHED FLOODS

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>> MR. BRACKEN, CAN YOU SPEAK INTO THE MICROPHONE?

>> I'M SORRY. THERE YOU GO.

THIS IS ALL OF THE FLOOD ZONE ALREADY.

HERE IS BLANDING BOULEVARD, AND THIS IS LITTLE OAK LANE.

IT IS TWO LANES AT THE TOP OF THE HILL.

IT IS ONE LANE A BLOCK IN. THIS SHOWS THE PERIMETER OF THE DEVELOPMENT. THERE IS A GAS STATION RIGHT HERE. THERE IS NOTHING TO WIDEN HERE.

THERE IS A GAS STATION WITH UNDERGROUND GAS TANKS.

WILL YOU TELL MOBILE TO GET OUT AND DIG UP THEIR GAS TANKS? YOU KNOW WHAT IT IS LIKE TO GET THE PERMITS TO PUT A GAS STATION IN AND THEN TELL THEM TO MOVE THEIR TANKS BECAUSE YOU NEED LANES AND MAKE A LEFT OR RIGHT TURN LANE? YOU CAN'T PUT A LANE HERE. THIS IS THE WALL -- WALGREENS.

IT DROPS DOWN 10 FEET RIGHT THERE.

IN HERE IS ALL PARKING LOTS. I COUNTED 500 PARKING SPACES.

500 PARKING SPACES FOR 270 PARKING UNITS.

THAT MEANS ALL THE NOISE WILL BE OFF THE BUILDINGS.

WHERE ARE KIDS GOING TO PLAY? THERE IS A WET LAND AND A POND AND A TEENY CLUBHOUSE ONE EXIT. THE SLOPE HERE IS 10, 12 FEET.

ARE YOU GOING TO PUT A GIANT BERM OF BANK? WHERE ARE THE KIDS GOING TO PLAY? IN THE PARKING LOT? IN THE WET LAND? IN THE POND? IN THIS TINY CLUBHOUSE? MARY COOK IS RIGHT. THIS IS A RESORT STYLE SLUM AND IT WILL BE A PROBLEM FROM DAY ONE.

ONE LANE AND ONE LANE OUT. IT CAN'T WORK.

>> THANK YOU, MR. BRACKEN. >> MS. LEADOL IS NEXT AND FOLLOWING MS. LEADOL IS ERNIE LEDOL AS WELL.

YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. >> DEBORAH LEDOL, 1338 BEAR RUN BOULEVARD. MY WORRY IS NOT ONLY THE TRAFFIC, BUT THE FLOODING. CLAY COUNTY WHEN WE MOVED IN IN 1986, THERE WERE WOODS WHERE WALLGREENS AND ALL THAT IS.

AFTER THEY TOOK THOSE WOODS DOWN AND THEY BUILT THE WALGREENS AND THAT STRIP MALLING -- STRIP MALL, THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE.

DO YOU SEE WHERE THE AGENCY IS IN IT IS UNDERWATER.

WHEN WE GET A HEAVY RAIN WE CAN'T GO OUT THERE.

WE HAVE TO GO OUT OAK LANE. WHEN THEY BUILD THAT, WE WON'T HAVE ANYWAY TO GO OUT. WE WILL HAVE TO GO TO WASHINGTON AND COME DOWN. I HAVE THIS THAT I PRINTED OFF FROM FEMA. WE ARE IN A HIGH RISK AREA.

THIS IS FOR YOU GUYS. I PRINTED THIS OFF FOR YOU.

I PRINTED ALL OF THE PICTURES OF ALL OF THE FLOODING THAT GOES FROM ANY KIND OF RAINS. INCLUDING MY HOUSE WAS FLOODED.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU ARE GOING TO DO, BUT EVERYTHING RUNS DOWNHILL FROM OAK LANE -- WHEN WE -- WHEN OUR AREA BEAR RUN RUNS THIS WAY PEOPLE ON B STREET NORTH, THEY ARE COMPLETELY FLOODED OUT WHEN IT RAINS. MY HOUSE, IT COMES UP LIKE THIS.

BEAR RUN BOULEVARD AND THEN IT VEERS OFF.

THERE IS BEAR RUN WHICH IS ON HIGHER GROUND.

I FLOODED. DOUG CONKLIN WAS THE COMMISSIONER WHO CAME IN AND SEEN THAT WE WERE FLOODED OUT.

HE HAD AN ENGINEERING COMPANY COME IN AND I DO HAVE THAT PROPOSAL IF YOU WANT IT. NOTHING EASE -- NOTHING HAS BEEN DONE. THEY ARE TRYING TO FIX THE

DRAINAGE IN OUR AREA. >> THANK YOU.

>> WOULD YOU LIKE THESE? >> MR. LIADOL, YOU ARE NEXT.

FOLLOWING MR. LIADOL IS DONNA GARBALIN.

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>> I AM MR. LIADOL AND I LIVE AT 1338 [INAUDIBLE] FLORIDA.

OKAY I HAVE BEEN WALKING AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD QUITE A BIT I -- AND I WORRY MOST ABOUT FLOODING.

THIS DRAINAGE POND BEHIND THE TANK AGENCY IT HASN'T BEEN [INAUDIBLE] LATELY, BUT IT WAS FULL TO CAPACITY YESTERDAY.

NORMALLY IT HAD BEEN MUCH LOWER THAN IT IS NOW.

YESTERDAY [INAUDIBLE] AND I CAME DOWN ABOUT ONE FEET AND HIT WATER. HAVEN'T BEEN LIKE THAT BEFORE.

SOMETHING IS GOING ON. ALSO THERE IS TRAFFIC AND [INAUDIBLE] GOING THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD GO UP COKE LANE.

OAK LANE. IF YOU COME AT THAT TIME YOU WILL HAVE A HARD TIME TO GET THROUGH.

AND ALSO I WILL PUT ASPHALT IN FOR THE PARKING LOT AND THE COMPLEX OVER THERE. AND THEY ARE COMING INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD LIKE THEY DID THE LAST TIME.

THIS IS NOT A GOOD IDEA AND THEY ARE FILLED WITH KIDS.

[INAUDIBLE] I HOPE EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS ME NOW.

I HAVE AN ACCENT. ANYWAY I HOPE YOU DENY THIS THING. THE WILDLIFE AND THE ANIMALS YOU CAN SEE THE LAST FIVE YEARS. ALMOST EVERY NIGHT I HAVE SEEN

[INAUDIBLE] THANKS A LOT. >> THANK YOU, MR. LIADOL.

MS. GARBLEMAN. DONNA GARDLEMAN.

[INAUDIBLE]. >> YES, MA'AM.

WOULD YOU STATE YOUR NAME AND YOU CAN MOVE THE MIC.

>> I AM DONNA GARDELMAN AND LIVE ON BEAR RUN BOULEVARD.

I HAVE TWO MAJOR CONCERNS WHICH YOU HEARD MOSTLY OF.

IT IS THE TRAFFIC ON OAK LANE AND I URGE, YOU KNOW, -- BEFORE YOU CONSIDER AND APPROVE THIS THAT MAYBE THE COUNTY GO BACK AND LOOK AT OAK LANE TO SEE IF THEY CAN IMPLEMENT A DIFFERENT TRAFFIC PATTERN. YOU KNOW, WIDEN THE ROAD OR WHATEVER, PWR-F IT IS -- BEFORE IT IS APPROVED I WORRY THAT WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT, HOW ARE THE RESCUE AND THE FIRE DEPARTMENT GOING TO GET INTO THE ONE ENTRANCE.

WE WERE FLOODED IN 19 -- IT WAS IN 2009.

WE LOST A LOT OF -- AROUND OUR FOUNDATION.

WE ALMOST HAD A SINKHOLE BECAUSE OF THE FLOODING.

WE ARE ON THE FLAT LAND, YOU KNOW?

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WE ARE DOWN UNDER THE LITTLE HILL.

IT GOES BACK TO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND OUR DEVELOPMENT AND I AM

CONCERNED ABOUT THAT. >> THANK YOU.

THE NEXT IS DAVID COPHAMMER AND FOLLOWING MR. COPHAMMER IS FRANK SEGONA. HELLO I AM DAVID COPHAMMER.

I DIDN'T SPEAK THIS TIME. I AM THE OWNER OF POOCHIE'S PARK THAT IS RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO THE PROPERTY.

I FEEL LIKE I HAVE BEEN KIND OF IN THE MIDDLE LITERALLY AND FIGURATIVELY BETWEEN THE DEVELOPMENT AND BEAR RUN.

I LISTENED TO BOTH SIDES AND MET WITH BOTH SIDES AND WAS REALLY IMPRESSED WITH BEAR RUN. I ALWAYS HAVE LOVED BEAR RUN ANYWAY. THE NEIGHBORS.

THE FACT THAT I GOT TOGETHER AND GOING TO THE MEETINGS WITH THEM, WHAT A GREAT NEIGHBORHOOD. YOU CAN SEE THAT THEY ARE ALL UNITD LIKE THIS. THE DEVELOPERS AND THE PLANNERS THEY HIRED I THOUGHT WERE GREAT TOO AND GREAT FOR MEETING WITH EVERYBODY LIKE THEY DID. THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO.

THE PROS AND CONS HAVING IT NEXT DOOR TO POOCHIE'S WOULD BE A WHOLE LOT OF CUSTOMERS, OBVIOUSLY, POTENTIAL CUSTOMES AND POTENTIAL EMPLOYEES. THE CONS WITHOUT REPEATING WHAT EVERYONE SAID, I JUST WANT TO COME AND SAY I AGREE 100% WITH WHAT EVERYONE IS SAYING. THIS YEAR WILL BE 20 YEARS THAT I HAVE BEEN DOING POOCHIE'S AND I THINK I HAVE BEEN THERE A LOT MORE THAN I HAVE BEEN AT MY OWN HOUSE.

VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE AREA, THE TRAFFIC AND I SHARE ALL OF THE CONCERNS WITH EVERYONE HERE. I JUST FEEL LIKE IT IS A GOOD FIT. TALKING WITH THE DEVELOPER -- THE OWNER OF THE REPUBLIC AND HE JUST MADE IT CLEAR THAT -- I ASKED HIM WHY NOT DO IT SMALLER AND MAYBE LIKE A HUNDRED UNITS LESS? HE JUST KIND OF SAID IT JUST WOULDN'T BE WORTH IT. I THINK IT WOULD BE WORTH IT TO SOMEONE ELSE THOUGH, EVEN IF THESE GUYS DON'T DO IT AT THE CURRENT UC10 IT IS AT NOW OR WHATEVER, I THINK SOMEONE ELSE OR MAYBE EVEN IF THAT PERSON LIVED IN CLAY COUNTY THAT WOULD BE GREAT VERSUS OUTSIDE PEOPLE COMING IN AND BUILDING SOMETHING LIKE EVERYOE HERE IS SAYING IS NOT GOING TO FIT.

THE BIGGEST CONCERN FOR ME IS THE TRAFFIC.

BUT I AM NOT GOING TO REPEAT EVERYTHING THAT EVERYBODY SAID ABOUT TRAFFIC. THAT'S MY NUMBER ONE.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.

AND NOW WE HAVE FRANK SEGONA AND FOLLOWING MR. SEGONA I HAVE TWO MORE CARDS FOR KRISTEN SCARBOROUGH AND ELLY BRACKEN.

AS SOON AS MR. SEGONA FINISHES WE WILL HAVE YOU SWORN IN AND YOU CAN ADDRESS THE COMMISSION. MR. SEGONA, PLEASE STATE YOUR

NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. >> FRANK SEGONA AND I LIVE AT 1324 BEAR RUN BOULEVARD. I HAVE LIVED THERE SINCE 1991.

PRIMARY CONCERN IS OAK LANE. I HAVE SOME PHOTOS.

YOU REALLY NEED TO GO OUT THERE AND LOOK AT OAK LANE.

IT IS A RURAL STREET. IN THE DEVELOPER'S ANALYSIS, IN THE TRAFFIC ANALYSIS, HE CLASSIFIED -- THEY CLASSIFIED OAK LANE AS A LEVEL OF SERVICE D CLASS 2 UNDERWRITING NON-STATE HIGHWAY. USING THE FDOT HANDBOOK SECTION 3. I LOOKED AT THAT AND I SAW THAT THAT STREET -- IT IS DEFINED AS A LOCAL STREET.

IT IS NOT A CLASS D. AND I READ IN THE FDOT ANALYSIS

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YOU CAN LOOK UP THE DEFINITION OF THE LOCAL STREET.

IN THE CLAY COUNTY STANDARDS FOR PLANNING MANUAL THAT YOU GUYS I'M SURE ARE VERY FAMILIAR WITH, THE LOCAL STREET DEFINITION IS THE SAME AS THE ONE D.O.T.AND IT IS NOT A CLASS 2.

>> IT COULD HANDLE 1200 CARS PER HOUR AND IN THE MANUAL IT IT SAYS 1600 CARS FOR 24 HOURS. THAT'S 66 CARS AN HOUR.

SO IT CANNOT HANDLE THE TRAFFIC. FRUSTRATION WILL GO UP AND I AGREE WITH EVERYONE ELSE AND WHAT THEY SAID.

REALLY SHOULD PUT A HOLD ON THIS PROJECT UNTIL YOU CAN DEVELOP OAK LANE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> THANK YOU MR. SEGONA. AT THIS TIME I WOULD LIKE TO ASK MS. SCARBOROUGH AND BRACEN STAND AND BE SWORN.

>> DO YOU BOTH SOLEMNLY SWEAR OR AFFIRM THE TESTIMONY YOU ARE ABOUT TO GIVE WILL BE THE WHOLE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH SO HELP YOU GOD? THANK YOU, LADIES.

>> MS. CAR -- SCARBOROUGH WOULD YOU COME FORWARD FIRST?

>> MY NAME IS KRIS -- KRISTEN SCARBOROUGH AND LIVE ON SOMERSET I HAVE BEEN A BEAR RUN RESIDENT FOR ABOUT 23 YEARS NOW.

I RAISED MY CHILDREN AND HAVE GRANDCHILDREN NOW THERE IN THE SCHOOLS. MY BIGGEST CONCERN IS I HEAR EVERYBODY TALKING ABOUT THE TRAFFIC.

WHERE I LIVE IN BEAR RUN, I ACTUALLY HAVE DOUBLE ACCESS.

WE COME INTO OUR CUL-DE-SAC, TO THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE, BUT WE BACK UP TO WASHINGTON. I HAVE THE LARGEST PLOT IN BEAR RUN. I HAVE ACCESS OF SEEING THE TRAFFIC FROM BOTH ENDS. WHAT I HAVE IS I HAVE A PRETTY DECENT-SIZED CITY EASE MEANT ON THE BACK END OF MY PROPERTY WHERE THE DRY RETENTION POND IS. WE HAVE A FLUCTUATION OF THE SCHOOL BUSES. AND SO THEY PARK ON MY EASE MEANT AND ON MY BACK FENCE WAITING FOR THE NEXT TIME TO PICK UP OR DROP OFF WHETHER IT IS THE HIGH SCHOOL OR THE ELEMENTARY OR PICKING UP JUNIOR HIGH KIDS.

THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC COMING IN FROM THE HIGH SCHOOL OR WHEREVER AND THEY COME DOWN AND THEY PARK AND THEY WAIT AND THEN THEY DISPERSE OUT OR THEY ARE COMING BACK THROUGH WITH THE CHILDREN. SO THEY ARE COMING BACK UP WASHINGTON AND THEY ARE CUTTING OVER TO OAK LANE TO HIT THE RED LIGHT BECAUSE IF THEY COME OUT MADISON AT THE HIGH SCHOOL, THEN THEY ARE BACKED UP AND BACKED UP WITH ALL OF THE STUDENTS LEAVING AND THE PARENTS PICKING UP. IF IT IS BACKING UP THROUGH OAK, THEN THEY COME DOWN DAKOTA AND HIT B STREET AND GO OUT BEAR RUN, AND THEN THEY ARE BACKED UP WITH ALL OF THE CLAY TAX AGENCY AND THE CLINIC AND ALL THAT. IT BACKS UP EITHER WAY.

IT DOESN'T MATTER. AND THEN THE OAK LANE PARK THAT ENDS BECOMES A DIRT ROAD PATH THAT RUNS RIGHT TO THE FRONT OF THE HIGH SCHOOL. THAT'S A RACETRACK NOW.

KIDS LIKE SLIDING AND FLYING AND YOU KNOW, THEY'RE CHILDREN.

THEY'RE KIDS AND PLAYING IN THEIR CARS AND SHOWING OFF AND THAT HAPPENS. I THINK THE TRAFFIC EVALUATION NEEDS TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THOSE SCHOOL BUSS AND THOSE TIMES BECAUSE IT'S BACKING UP. WE KNOW A SCHOOL TO GET THROUGHC LIGHT THAN A TYPICAL CAR. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU, MS. SCARBOROUGH AND WE HAVE MS. BRACKEN.

>> HELLO. I'M BRINGING UP THE REAR.

MY NAME IS ELLY BRACKEN AND LIVE ON B STREET EAST.

I AM GOING TO BE -- I WILL TRY TO GET THIS IN IN THREE MINUTES.

THE CLAY -- THE CURRENT CLAY COUNTY FLUM, FUTURE LAND USE MAP, ANTICIPATES CHANGING THE PARCEL ZONING FROM AR TO PUC-10

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I THINK YOU SHOULD STICK TO THE FLUM AND UC10.

THIS CAN BE DONE BY REMOVING -- I KNOW YOU HAVE SEEN THIS BEFORE. THIS CAN EASILY BE DONE BY REMOVING BUILDINGS 4, 5 AND 6 RIGHT HERE WHICH GO UP TO [INAUDIBLE]. ANYWAY, I WILL HAVE THIS ON DISPLAY LATER. I THINK THAT IF THESE THREE BUILDINGS WENT AWAY IT WOULD REDUCE IT FROM 270 DOWN TO ABOUT 170 AND THEN IT WOULD BE IN KEEPING WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. A ZONING CHANGE FROM THE CURRENT AGRICULTURAL RESIDENTIAL PUD-UC10 WILL BE KEEPING WITH YOUR PLAN A ZONING CHANGE TO, UD-UC16, THAT'S A LOT OF LETTERS AND NUMBERS, WILL OVER -- OVER BURDEN THE LOCAL ROADS AND IMPACT BLANDIN BOULEVARD AND FOREVER CHANGE THE BEAR RUN CHARACTER. SOMEBODY IN THE MEETING ON JANUARY 17TH, ONE OF YOU SAID IF IT ADVERSELY AFFECTS THE CHARACTER OF A NEIGHBORHOOD, THEN THAT HAS TO BE SERIOUSLY CONSIDERED. IT WILL TOTALLY CHANGE THE CHARACTER OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. A NEIGHBOR OF MINE WHO CAN'T BE HERE BECAUSE OF MEDICAL ISSUES SAYS IF THEY BUILD THIS, THEY ARE GOING TO BE STEALING GENERATIONAL WEALTH FROM THE HOMEOWNERS OF BEAR RUN. SO THE ZONING CHANGE -- THEREFORE WE WANT THE UC16 IS GOING TO BE INCOMPATIBLE -- INCOMPATIBLE WITH THE CLAY COUNTY COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

IT WILL REDUCE ALL OF OUR PROPERTY VALUES.

PEOPLE WILL START MOVING OUT AND, AGAIN, IT WILL TAKE AWAY ANY GENERATIONAL WEALTH FROM OUR FUTURE -- FROM OUR HEIRS.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. >> THANK YOU, MS. BRACKEN.

THAT'S ALL THE CARDS I HAVE SO I AM GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. MR. SHELTON?

>> GOOD EVENING. CINDY TRIMMER AND I AM A LAND USE LAWYER AND PART OF THE LAND USE TEAM.

I WANT TO TAKE A MINUTE TO ADDRESS THE CONCERNS WE HAVE HAD. I KNOW YOU HEARD A LOT ABOUT THE FACT THAT THE DEVELOPER DIDN'T HEAR THE COMMUNITY OUT AND DIDN'T TRY TO ADDRESS THE CONCERNS.

THAT IS UNEQUIVOCALLY NOT WHAT HAPPENED HERE.

WE DID HEAR THE CONCERNS AND WE ADDRESSED WHAT CAN BE ADDRESSED, BUT FROM WHAT YOU HEARD IN ADDITION TO THOSE TONIGHT, THE TRAFFIC ON OAK LANE CAN'T HANDLE THIS DEVELOPMENT.

OAK LANE AND BLANDIG HAVE CAPACITY.

CLAY COUNTY OPERATES UNDER A MOBILITY SYSTEM.

ONCE WE DEMONSTRATE THE BURDEN OF MEETING THE CAPACITY, THE DEVELOPER HAS THE OBLIGATION TO PAY A MOBILITY FEE INTO THE SYSTEM SO THE COUNTY HAS FUNDS AVAILABLE FOR FUTURE IMPROVEMENTS IF AND WHEN NEEDED. ALL IS BEING COMPLIED WITH THIS PROJECT. YOU HEARD ABOUT FLOODING ISSUES.

THE PROJECT IS PRESERVING JUST UNDER THREE ACRES OFFED WITH LANDS THAT ARE ON THE SITE HEARING THE CONCERNS FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD WE HAVE DONE AN ANALYSIS OF THE SURROUNDING AREA AND WE FOUND THAT THE PIPES ON BEAR RUN ARE FAILING.

THEY HAVE FAILED. THIS DEVELOPER IS GOING TO UPGRADE THOSE PIPES AND IMPROVE EVERYTHING ON BEAR RUN SO A LOT OF WHAT YOU HEARD ABOUT THE FLOODING WILL BE HELPED BY THIS PROJECT. YOU HEARD COMMENTS ABOUT OVERCROWDING AT SCHOOLS. YOU HAVE IN THE FILE THE CONCURRENCY CERTIFICATES FROM THE SCHOOLS DEMONSTRATING THERE IS CAPACITY AVAILABLE. YOU HEARD FROM THE COMMUNITY THAT THEY ASKED FOR A MIX OF HOUSING UNITS ON THIS SITE.

THE DEVELOPER WE HAVE HERE IS A MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPER.

THEY DO NOT DEVELOP A SINGLE-FAMILY OR TOWNHOME PROJECT. HEARING THE CONCERNS FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND WORKING WITH GOOD PLANNING PRINCIPALS, THEY HAVE CLUSTERED THE DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THE SITE SO IT IS MORE THAN 130 FEET AWAY FROM THE CLOSEST SINGLE-FAMILY DEVELOPMENT. WITH THE PRODUCT THAT IS AVAILABLE HERE THAT IS THE BEST CAN BE DONE AND THOSE CONCERNS WERE HEARD, AND PULLED AS FAR AWAY AS WE CAN WHILE PRESERVING THE WET LANDS WE REFERENCED ON THE SITE.

YOU HEARD ABOUT SAFETY FOR PEDESTRIANS.

COMPREHENSIVE PLAN REQUIRES SIDEWALKS BE BUILT WITH NEW DEVELOP -- DEVELOPMENT AND IT IS BEING DONE WITH THIS PROJECT.

YOU HEARD COMMENTS ABOUT REPBG -- RECREATION AND WHERE THE CHILDREN WILL PLAY. IT REQUIRES ACTIVE RECREATION BE PROVIDED AT CERTAIN RATIOS FOR ALL NEW MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPMENT. THIS PROJECT IS COMPLYING WITH YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND PROVIDING ALL OF THE RECREATION SPACE THAT IS REQUIRED. YOU HEARD CONCERNS ABOUT EMERGENCY ACCESS. THE TEAM HAS CONSULTED WITH THE

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THE PROFESSIONALS THAT ARE CHARGED WITH LOOKING AT A SITE AND DETERMINING WHAT IS NEEDED HAVE FOUND THAT WITH THAT ADDITION THERE IS ADEQUATE ACCESS TO THE SITE.

I KNOW THAT IT IS DIFFICULT TO SIT HERE AND MAKE THESE DECISIONS WHEN YOU HEAR FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMUNITY LIKE THIS.

YOU HAVE A DUTY TO LOOK AT THE COMPETENT SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE PROVIDED TO YOU AND MAKE DECISIONS BASED ON GOOD PLANNING PRINCIPALS AGAIN, I KNOW THAT IS HARD AND I DO NOT ENVY THAT POSITION. WHAT WE HAVE PROVIDED TO YOU IS AN IN-FILL DEVELOPMENT PROJECT. IT IS APPROPRIATE TRANSITION OF USES BETWEEN THE COMMERCIAL YOU HAVE ALONG BLANDING AND THE SINGLE FAMILY DEVELOPMENT. IN THIS TYPE OF AN AREA THIS IS THE QUINTESSENTIAL TEXTBOOK VERSION OF A TRANSITIONAL USE THAT IS CONSIDERED APPROPRIATE BETWEEN THE TWO USE THAT'S EXIST TODAY WHEN YOU HAVE A PARCEL AVAILABLE FOR IN-FILL DEVELOPMENT. THE DENSITY THEY HAVE REQUESTED IS MORE THAN THREE UNITS AN ACRE LESS THAN WHAT YOU COULD DO IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN CATEGORY TODAY IF THEY WERE BUILDING THE EXACT SAME PROJECT PROPOSED AND OFFERING IT TO THE LOW INCOME OR ELDERLY COMMUNITIES. IT IS MORE THAN 100 UNITS LESS THAN THE MAXIMUM THAT IS PERMITTED IN THE LAND USE CATEGORY THAT WE ARE REQUESTING. AND WE ARE AGREEING TO LIMIT IT BECAUSE WE ARE NOT TRYING TO MAX OUT DENSITY AND WE ARE DOING JUST ENOUGH TO PROVIDE A QUALITY PRODUCT THAT IS BUILDABLE THAT WE KNOW WE CAN DELIVER. THE SITE HAS BEEN DESIGNED AS I SAID TO BE SENSITIVE TO THE CLOSEST NEIGHBORS AND THERE IS EXTENSIVE BUFFERING AND WE PROVIDE DOCUMENTATION TO SHOW WITH THE VIEW CORRIDORS. IT IS NOT GOING TO TOWER OVER THE SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL OR THE FIVE HOUSES THAT ARE CLOSER.

IT IS MORE THAN 130 FEET AWAY. WE HAVE DEMONSTRATED ALL OF THE CAPACITY THAT IS REQUIRED AND THAT IS AVAILABLE FOR THIS PROJECT. YOU HAVE A STAFF RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL. AGAIN, YOUR JOB IS TO LOOK AT THE COMPETENT SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE AND DETERMINE WHETHER THAT EVIDENCE SUPPORTS THE LAND USE AMENDMENT AND THE REZONING.

YOU HAVE COMPETENT SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE BASED ON THAT STAFF REPORT ALONE AND EVERYTHING ELSE THE APPLICANTS PROVIDED TO YOU.

WITH THAT WE ASK THAT YOU MAKE THE TOUGH DECISION TO SUPPORT THE COME PRE SEN SEUF -- COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT AND REZONING. WE ARE AVAILABLE FOR FURTHER

QUESTIONS. >> THANK YOU.

ARE THERE FURTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION? ARE WE READY TO TAKE IT ON FOR DISCUSSION?

MICHAEL? >> IF I MAY? MADAM CHAIR, THANK YOU. OKAY.

I'M NOT SURE IF THIS IS FOR MRS. I WILL FIRE AWAY AND YOU CAN JUMP IN. OBVIOUSLY THERE'S -- THERE IS A CONCERN ABOUT TRAFFIC. I WANT TO JUMP BACK TO THE SPECIFIC QUESTION THAT MR. FRANK SEGONA BROUGHT UP ABOUT LOCAL STREETS. CAN YOU OFFER ANY CLARIFICATION? HE HAD SOME PRETTY GOOD DOCUMENTATION, FROM WHAT HE PRESENTED ANYWAY, AND I WOULD LIKE TO GET ON THE RECORD IF

THERE IS A REBUTTAL TO THAT. >> SO THE COUNTY LOOKS AT THE LOCAL STREETS AND THE D.O.T.LOOKS AT THE CAPACITY ON BLANDING AND OAK HRAEUP. WHEN WE SUBMITTED OUR REQUIRED TRAFFIC ANALYSIS TO THE COUNTY, THERE WAS NO OBJECTIONS FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE. I THINK EVERYTHING COMING OFF BLANDION -- BLANDING WILL BE A LOCAL ROAD.

YOU WILL GET THIS EVERYWHERE. IT IS CONSIDERED A LOCAL ROAD IN

THE MANUAL. >> AND I WILL SHIFT FOR A MINUTE. DOTIE, YOU CONQUER WITH THAT? OKAY. MR. SHELTON, MY NEXT QUESTION DEALT WITH THE FEMA FLOOD MAP WE RECEIVED FROM MS. DEBORAH LADOL.

I THINK I SAID THAT RIGHT. IT LOOKED LIKE IN THE MAP THAT YOUR PARCEL IS FLOOD ZONE X. IT LOOKED LIKE THED WITH LAND, BUT IT WAS FLOOD ZONE X. AND THE CONCERN THEY HAD WAS THAT THEY ARE IN AE OR -- AND I DIDN'T SEE WHAT THE DESIGNATION WAS. THEY WERE IN A FLOOD ZONE AREA.

I APPRECIATE, AND I THINK WE APPRECIATE AS THE COUNTY THE PRIVATE-PUBLIC PARTNERSHIP YOU ARE WILLING TO PROVIDE ALONG BEAR RUN REGARDING RETROFIT SO IS -- SO IT FITS.

CAN YOU ADDRESS STORM WATER, AND I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT THIS 60-DAYS AGO, BUT FOR THE EDIFICATION AND BENEFIT OF THE GROUP, HOW THE SITE IS DESIGNED AND HOW I THINK YOUR CIVIL ENGINEER IS HERE, BUT REBRIEF THE GROUP ON HOW THE STORM WATER

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>> I WILL BE HAPPY TO AND TO HAND OFF TO A QUALIFIED ENGINEER

TO EXPLAIN THAT. >> HI.

DOUG SCILES. 4446.

I REMEMBER BEING HERE THE LAST TIME WE TALKED ABOUT IT.

WE ARE REQUIRED TO MEET ALL OF THE STATE LAWS AND ALL OF THE COUNTY LAWS AS FAR AS RETAINING WATER.

RIGHT NOW IT IS AN UNPAID -- UNPAVED SITE AND WE WILL PAVE IT. WE ARE -- WE HAVE THREE WAYS TO HOLD THE WATER BACK. WE ARE REQUIRED TO ACTUALLY PUT WATER BACK INTO THAT WET LAND TO KEEP IT A WET LAND.

WE CAN'T JUST DRAIN EVERYTHING AROUND IT.

IF WE DID, THEN WE WOULD LOWER THE WATER TABLE AND IT WOULD NO LONGER BE A WET LAND AND THE WATER WOULD DISAPPEAR.

ALL THAT HAS TO WORK TOGETHER. TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION ABOUT THE FLOOD ZONE, THERE IS A PORTION ALONG THE WEST BOUNDARY OF OUR SITE THAT IS A DITCH. IT IS MAPPED AS A -- I THINK IT IS THE AE FLOOD ZONE. WE ARE NOT FILLING IN ANY OF THAT. I BELIEVE WHAT HAS CAUSED THAT TO BE MAPPED THAT WAY IS THAT THE PIPE THAT DRAINS THAT DITCH -- THAT DRAINS THE DITCH ORIGINALLY IT WENT UNDERNEATH BEAR RUN TO THE NORTH OF THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT WAS BURIED.

WHEN WE ASKED THE COUNTY STAFF HOW DOES THIS DITCH GRAIN, THEY DIDN'T -- HOW DOES THIS DITCH DRAIN, THEY DIDN'T EVEN KNOW THERE WAS A PIPE THERE. OUR SURVEYORS WENT OUT WITH A SHOVEL AND STARTED DIGGING BECAUSE I SAID THERE HAS TO BE A PIPE DOWN THERE. PLEASE FIND IT.

SURE ENOUGH. IF YOU DRIVE OUT THERE TODAY YOU CAN SEE THEIR HOLE AND YOU CAN SEE WHERE THE PIPE IS.

IT IS TWO FEET BELOW THE EXISTING GROUND SURFACE AND FULL OF DIRT. IT WAS AN 18-INCH PIPE.

IT PROBABLY WANT -- WASN'T SIZED CORRECTLY TO BEGIN WITH.

IT SHOULD GET THE WATER -- NOT ONLY WILL IT HELP TO DRAIN OUR SITE, BUT IT SHOULD DRAIN THE BACK OF THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT AND ALL OF THE OTHER AREAS TO GET THE WATER TO WHERE IT NEEDS

TO GO. >> IF I MAY, MADAM CHAIR? SO IS IT -- AND YOU ARE THE CIVIL ENGINEER AND SO I WANT TO ASK YOUR OPINION. IS IT REASONABLE TO SAY THAT ANY OF THE FLOODING -- AND WE SAW A SERIES OF PICTURES ACROSS THE DESK FROM PREVIOUS STORMS THAT ARE CLEARLY NOT THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THIS PROPERTY OWNER, BUT IS IT SAFE TO SAY YOU CAN HELP WITH THE STORM WATER RUNOFF THAT HAPPENED ON OTHER

PROPERTIES? >> ANYTHING THAT WAS COMING FROM THE PROPERTY THAT WE ARE DEVELOPING, THE ANSWER TO THAT WOULD BE YES. I DIDN'T HAVE THE BENEFIT OF SEEING THE PICTURES SO I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT WAS OCCURRING, AND I WOULD HAVE TO BE CAREFUL TO SAY WHAT'S GONNA WORK AND WHAT WON'T WITHOUT HAVING ANALYZED IT.

WE ARE GOING TO REPLACE THE PIPE THAT FAILED.

COMMON SENSE SAYS THAT WILL HELP GET THE WATER OUT.

THERE WILL ALWAYS BE A STORM THAT BACKS THINGS UP.

WE DESIGN TO A CERTAIN LEVEL AND MEET THE STATE STANDARDS, BUT CERTAINLY IMPROVING THAT AREA WILL HAVE AN IMPACT.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I I DID HAVE, IF I MAY, MADAM CHAIRMAN, A QUESTION ABOUT THE EMS. AND SO I SHARE THE CONCERN THAT I HEARD FROM THE COMMUNITY THAT THERE IS ONE ENTRANCE AND ONE EGRESS FROM THE SITE.

AND I KNOW IF THAT ENTRANCE IS WIDE ENOUGH THEN IT MEETS CODE REQUIREMENTS AS A SINGLE ENTRANCE.

YOU MENTIONED THERE WAS AN ALTERNATE.

I DON'T THINK -- AT LEAST I DIDN'T SEE.

I DON'T KNOW IF THEY SAW WHERE THE ALTERNATE ENTRANCE WAS, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT IF WE HAVE THAT TO PUT UP.

>> ABSOLUTELY. >> I DON'T HAVE A SITE PLAN AT ALL IN THE PACKAGE. I LOOKED THROUGH EVERY DOCUMENT.

I DON'T KNOW IF I AM OVERLOOKING IT POSSIBLY, BUT I DON'T SEE A SITE PLAN. I WAS GOING TO ASK FOR THAT

ANYWAYS. >> [INAUDIBLE].

>> YOU SAID ATTACHMENT C, EXHIBIT C, I DON'T SEE IT.

>> IF I MAY, WERE YOU ALL SWORN PREVIOUSLY? YOU WERE? OKAY.

THANK YOU. >> THERE ARE COPIES.

THERE IS NO EXHIBIT C. THERE IS AN A2 -- UNLESS I AM

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LOOKING AT THE WRONG THING. >> I CAN DESCRIBE THE ANSWER,

BUT IT HELPS TO SEE IT. >> I AM A VISUAL -- I THINK FOR A MATTER OF THE RECORD WE LIKE TO SEE.

AND THEN THE LAST QUESTION IS THE SIDEWALK.

THAT IS FOR A NEW DEVELOPMENT. ONE OF THE LOCAL COMMUNITY MEMBERS SAID THERE IS AN UNDULATION.

THE AREA THAT TOUCHES THE PROPERTY THAT YOU ARE LOOKING TO DEVELOP, BOTH ON OAK LANE AND ON BEAR RUN, WILL THOSE SIDEWALKS ON BOTH SIDES BE IMPROVED, OR IS THE REQUIREMENT JUST ON THE OAK

LANE SIDE? >> TECHNICALLY THE REQUIREMENT IS ON OUR FRONTAGE WHICH IS ONLY ALONG OAK LANE.

WE HAVEN'T BEEN ASKED TO PROVIDE A SIDEWALK ALONG BEAR RUN.

WE HAVE TO HAVE IT ADA COMPATIBLE.

THAT MEANS THE SLOPE HAS TO BE COMPATIBLE WITH THOSE WHO QUALIFY AS HANDICAPPED. THOSE WILL BE PROVIDED AT FEDERAL AND STATE-REQUIRED SLOPES, SIDE -- SIZE AND LENGTH.

THERE IS A PIECE THAT SEPARATES US.

I THINK WE EXPLAINED THAT PW-FR. THE BOY SCOUTS -- BEFORE.

THE BOY SCOUTS OWNED IT. >> THE QUESTION STEMS FROM THE STORM WATER AND PIPING AND WHERE THE SIDEWALK IS LOCATED AND IF IT IS CLOSE ENOUGH WILL THERE BE WORK DONE OR IS IT FAR ENOUGH AWAY THAT IT IS TRULY JUST A PIPE?

>> THANK YOU. THE NEIGHBOR WAS KIND ENOUGH TO

SHOW ME THE PICTURES. >> MY QUESTION IS SPES PARTICULAR TO BEAR RUN. ON OAK LANE THE SIDEWALKS ARE REQUIRED BECAUSE IT IS FRONTAGE. ON BEAR LANE WHERE THE STORM WATER IMPROVEMENT WITH THE PIPING, ARE THE SIDEWALKS CLOSE ENOUGH THEY WILL BE IMPROVED AS WELL OR FAR ENOUGH AWAY THEY ARE

NOT IMPACTED BY THE WORK -- >> I WILL SAVE THE TROUBLE.

I AM GETTING YELLED AT, BUT THERE IS NO SIDEWALK ON BEAR RUN. AND WE DON'T HAVE ANY PROPERTY

-- >> LET HIM FINISH HIS COMMENT.

>> WE DON'T TOUCH BEAR RUN. WE ARE NOT REQUIRED TO PUT --

>> >> UNDERSTOOD.

>> KEY DON'T HAVE THE -- WE DON'T HAVE THE AUTHORITY.

WE WILL UPGRADE SIDEWALKS AS NEEDED ON OAK LANE IF THERE ARE ISSUES. WE WILL ADDRESS THAT.

>> ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

AND JUST FOR THE RECORD I HAVE BEEN OUT THERE SEVERAL TIMES.

THANK YOU. >> ARE WE READY TO BRING THIS BACK TO THE BOARD FOR DISCUSSION?

>> MOTION OR -- >> LET'S DO THE DISCUSSION.

>> DISCUSSION? >> YOU GO FIRST BECAUSE I KNOW YOU WILL ADDRESS ONE OF MY POINTS.

>> I AM LANCE ADDISON AND I AM THE SCHOOL BOARD REPRESENTATIVE HERE TONIGHT. WE HAVE GOTTEN SEVERAL PHONE CALLS AT THE SCHOOL DISTRICT ABOUT THIS SUB-DEVELOPMENT.

I WANT TO TRY TO CLARIFY. I WANT TO FIRST OF ALL THANK THE PUBLIC FOR COMING OUT. WE UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERNS.

I WOULD LIKE TO CLARIFY CONCURRENCY AND TRY TO PEEL THE LAYERS BACK SO THERE IS AN UNDERSTANDING FROM THE MISCONCEPTIONS THAT MAY BE -- THAT MAYBE SOME OF THE PUBLIC HAS. FIRST AND FOREMOST, WHEN I DO THE CONCURRENCY FOR THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, AND CORN CURRAN -- CONCURRENCY IS STATING WE HAVE CAPACITY OR DON'T HAVE CAPACITY AT A SCHOOL OR IN A SCHOOL ZONE. PLEASE UNDERSTAND THAT CONCURRENCY I AM BOUND BY ORDINANCES AND STATUTES.

THERE ARE STATUTES THAT WE HAVE TO ABIDE BY WHEN WE EITHER GRANT OR DENY CON SOUTHERN SEE -- CONCURRENCY.

FLORIDA STATUTE OUT 163.8130 STATES -- I HAVE IT PULLED UP HERE. A SCHOOL CON SOUTHERN SEE MAY -- CONCURRENCY MAY NOT BE DENIED FOR AN APPLICATION FORSYTHE PLAN, FINAL SUBDIVISION APPROVAL OR FUNCTION ALI EQUIVALENT FOR -- FUNCTIONAL EQUIVALENT FOR DEVELOPMENT OR PHASE OF A DEVELOPMENT, AUTHORIZING RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT FOR FAILURE TO MAINTAIN A LEVEL OF SERVICE STANDARD.

WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? WE HAVE A LEVEL OF SERVICE IN CLAY COUNTY OF 110%. THEREFORE ALL OF OUR SCHOOLS CAN GO TO 110% PWHR-F -- BEFORE WE ARE CONSIDERED OVERCAPACITY.

THAT IS BY AN INTER LOCAL AGREEMENT FROM 2008.

SO BY SAYING THAT WE ARE OVERCAPACITY, WHERE IS RIDGE VIEW ELEMENTARY? IT IS THE ZONED SCHOOL AND WE ARE AT 104% AT RIDGE VIEW ELEMENTARY.

RIDGE VIEW HIGH SCHOOL, WE ARE NOT AT CAPACITY AT THAT SCHOOL,

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RIDGE VIEW HIGH SCHOOL IS -- EXCUSE ME RIDGE VIEW ELEMENTARY IS 104%. THIS WILL TAKE IT -- THE DEVELOPMENT WILL TAKE IT UP CLOSE TO THE 110% LEVEL OF SERVICE. WHAT DOES THAT MEAN FOR THAT? WHEN THAT HAPPENS WE HAVE TO DO -- WE HAVE TO MITIGATE IT.

SO THE MAIN THING WE WOULD HAVE TO DO IS WE WOULD HAVE TO REZONE THE AREA. YOU CAN SEE THE BRUISES I TAKE FROM THAT. IT IS NOT THE MOST POPULAR THING TO DO. I PROMISE YOU.

HOWEVER IF THERE IS NOT CONCURRENCY IN A CERTAIN AREA, I HAVE TO LOOK AT CONTINUOUS ZONES.

ANY ZONE THAT TOUCHES THE ACTUAL ZONE THAT THE DEVELOP -- THAT IT IS IN, THEREFORE SINCE RIDGE VIEW ELEMENTARY SCHOOL IS AT -- ABOVE 100%, THEN I HAVE TO LOOK AT OTHERS.

I HAVE TO LOOK AT ARE THEY GOING TO 110%? CAN I LOOK AT LAKESIDE ELEMENTARY OR COPPER GATE OR THE SURROUNDING ZONES. THEY ARE NOT AT 110% YET.

SO THEY DID GET CONCURRENCY FOR THE 29 STUDENTS THEY PRODUCED.

RIDGE VIEW HIGH SCHOOL. RIDGE VIEW HIGH SCHOOL, THEY ARE ABOVE THE 110%. IT IS NOT AT CURRENT CAPACITY, BUT AT -- BECAUSE THEY ARE ABOVE I HAD TO LOOK AT CONTINUOUS ZONES FOR THEM. I AM BOUND STATUTE EARLY TO -- STATITORILY BY LOOKING AT THE CONTINUOUS ZONE.

I HAD TO LOOK AT ORANGE PARK HIGH SCHOOL.

DOES ORANGE PARK HIGH SCHOOL HAVE ENOUGH CAPACITY TO FULFILL WHAT THEY NEED FOR THEIR DEVELOPMENT.

THE ANSWER IS YES THEY DO. AS I STATED ORANGE PARK JUNIOR HIGH SCHOL DOES HAVE CAPACITY IT IS NOT CLOSE TO CAPACITY.

WE ARE KIND OF BOUND AND I KNOW EVERYBODY WANTS TO SAY WE ARE AT CAPACITY, AT CAPACITY. HOWEVER, BY SAYING THAT, WE HAVE TO LOOK AT EVERYTHING SURROUNDING.

WHAT WE DON'T WANT TO BE IS TOO LOW IN SCHOOLS.

WE WANT OUR SCHOOLS TO BE FILLED UP.

WE DON'T WANT TO GO TOO LOW. WE DON'T WANT TO BE OVER FILLED EITHER. THE FLORIDA STATUTE MAKES US LOOK AT EVERYTHING SURROUNDING. WITH THAT BEING SAID A LOT OF OUR CAPACITY IS IN PORT -- PORTABLES.

ONE OF OUR LONG RANGE PLANS IS TO GET RID OF PORTABLES IN THE DISTRICT. WILL THIS HELP OUR SITUATION? WE HAVE TO GRANT CONCURRENCY BASED ON THAT.

I TOOK DOWN NOTES SO I DON'T FORGET ANYTHING.

WHEN IT FINISHES AND IT IS BUILT OUT IT WILL PROBABLY PUT RIDGE VIEW ELEMENTARY SCHOOL ABOVE THE 110% LEVEL OF SERVICE AND THEREFORE WE WILL HAVE TO REZONE THAT AREA TO DIFFERENT SCHOOLS.

WHETHER IT IS IN COPPER GATE OR ONE OF THOSE SCHOOLS.

IT DOES HAVE AN IMPACT AND BY ORDINANCE AND STATUTES I HAD TO GRANT CONCURRENCY FOR THE DEVELOPMENT.

TRANSPORTATION, THERE IS A TRANSPORTATION ISSUE.

IF I HAVE TO REZONE TO ORANGE PARK HIGH SCHOOL, THEN I WILL HAVE TO BUS THOSE KIDS UP TO ORANGE PARK HIGH SCHOOL OR TO ANOTHER SCHOOL THAT IS NOT WITHIN WALKING DISTANCE THE WAY RIDGE VIEW IS. THE OTHER SCHOOLS ARE ALREADY WITHIN BUSING DISTANCE. THERE ARE SOME ISSUES WITH THE CROSSWALKS AT RIDGE VIEW HIGH SCHOOL.

THIS WILL PRODUCE MORE STUDENTS THAT HAVE TO WALK TO RIDGE VIEW HIGH SCHOOL. IT WILL CAUSE MORE ISSUES AND ADD -- AT THE CROSSWALK THAT THEY HAVE TO CROSS.

THE QUESTION THAT I HAVE TO LOOK AT IS AM I FOLLOWING THE STATUTES, AM I FOLLOWING THE ORDINANCES? YES I DID. I HAD TO AND THAT WAY THEY HAVE CON -- CONCURRENCY. DOES IT PUT A STRAIN ON SCHOOLS? YES IT DOES. IT WILL PUT A STRAIN ON RIDGE VIEW ELEMENTARY SCHOOL. I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT AND MAKE SURE I EDUCATE THE WAY I LOOK AT THINGS.

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>> THANK YOU. OTHER DISCUSSIONS?

>> I WANT TO PASS THIS ARTICLE OUT.

I WAS GOING TO WAIT UNDER OLD BUSINESS TYPE OF THING.

WE HAD DISCUSSION ABOUT LACK OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN CLAY COUNTY. AND A FEW DAYS AFTER THE MEETING I STUMBLED UPON THE ARTICLE AND IT WAS INTERESTING AND I THOUGHT I WOULD SHARE WITH YOU GUYS. WHAT ARE THE FOUR -- IT GIVES FOUR REASONS. I THOUGHT THE MOST INTERESTING WAS THE NUMBER ONE REASON TO LIMIT AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

THE FIRST IMPEDIMENT TO ADDRESSING THE HOUSING SHORTAGE IS ZONING. HERE IS A CLASSIC EXAMPLE OF IT.

WE HAVE -- AND I LOVE THE PHRASE MS. TREMOR USED THE PHRASE, IT IS THE QUINTESSENTIAL TEXTBOOK PARCEL.

IT IS IN-FILLED. IT IS VACANT.

IT IS DEVELOPABLE. IT WOULD BE A BIG STEP IN HELPING ADDRESS POSSIBLE HOUSING FOR PEOPLE.

IS IT MARKET RATE HOUSING? OKAY.

SO IT IS MARKET RATE. ANYWAY, I JUST THOUGHT IT WAS AN INTERESTING POINT THAT HERE WE ARE FACED WITH THIS TOUGH DECISION, BUT WE LAMENT THE FACT THAT THERE IS NOT ENOUGH AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN CLAY COUNTY.

HERE IS A TOTALLY NEUTRAL ARTICLE THAT SAYS ONE OF THE MAIN REASONS IT CREATES THIS ISSUE IS ZONING.

I THINK THE DRAINAGE ISSUE HAS BEEN ADDRESSED.

THE TRANSPORTATION ISSUE, I HAVE BEEN ON OAK LANE MANY TIMES.

I WAS JUST THERE THIS PAST WEEK. BOTH OF THOSE ROADS ARE TWO-LANE ROADS. I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT WIDTH, BUT BASED ON WHAT I WAS LOOKING AT, IT APPEARS TO BE THE SAME SIZED ROADS. IF WE CAN GO IN AND OUT TO YOUR SUBDIVISION ON BEAR RUN ON TWO LANES, I DON'T KNOW WHY IT WOULD BE DIFFERENT TO GO DOWN OAK LANE.

OAK LANE DOES SHRINK DOWN TO ONE LNE OR A DIRT ROAD OR WHATEVER, BUT THAT IS BEYOND WHERE THIS PROPERTY IS.

I DON'T SEE THAT BEING AN ISSUE. I HAVE LIVED HERE SINCE THE EARLY 80S, MID-80S. I HAVE SEEN IT GROW LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE HAS. WE ARE IN A BOOMING COUNTY.

THINGS ARE GONNA CONTINUE TO GROW AND CONTINUE TO EXPAND.

THERE ARE GOING TO BE MORE PEOPLE, MORE CARS, MORE EVERYTHING. I WILL BE IN SUPPORT OF THIS.

>> ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR DISCUSSIONS?

>> [INAUDIBLE]. >> EXCUSE ME, MA'AM.

THE PUBLIC HEARING PORTION IS CLOSED.

>> [INAUDIBLE]. >> IT IS THE COMMISSION NOW.

MR. NORTON WANTED TO SPEAK. >> AFTER HEARING EVERYTHING AND LOOKING AT THE PLAN, I THINK -- I LOOKED AT THIS AND SAID IT IS A WORKABLE PLAN AT THE WRONG SITE.

AND AT THE WRONG TIME. BY THAT I DON'T THINK THE INFRASTRUCTURE IS IN PLACE FOR THE PLAN THAT IS BEING PROPOSED AND FOR THAT REASON ALONE WHEN I LOOKED AT THE SAFETY ASPECT, THE TRAFFIC ACCESS AND THE INGRESS AND ALL OF THE OTHER CONCERNS, I THINK THERE'S TOO MUCH IN THE WAY OF INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE IMPROVED IN ORDER TO MAKE THIS SITE WORKABLE FOR WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED SO I CAN'T SUPPORT IT.

>> ANY OTHER COMMENTS FOR DISCUSSION?

>> REAL QUICK, LOOKING AT THIS SITE ON GOOGLE EARTH, IT REALLY LOOKS WORSE THAN WHAT IT DOES ON THE PAPER THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT. THE LITTLE SHOPPING AREA RIGHT THERE ON BLANDING BOULEVARD IT ALSO DUMPS ON TO OAK LANE, EVEN THOUGH IT HAS AN ACCESS POINT ON BLANDING BOULEVARD, BUT IT DOES DUMP ON OAK LANE. AND THEN THERE IS A BUILDING OR A BUSINESS THAT DUMPS ON OAK LANE.

IT IS BOTH AT THIS DEVELOPMENT AND JUST BEFORE IT.

I KNOW WE ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO CONSIDER TRAFFIC WHEN WE ARE TALKING ABOUT ZONING. I WAS REMINDED OF THAT SEVERAL TIMES. SOMEBODY HAS TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS. I MEAN, IF THIS IS APPROVED, AND I AGREE WITH MR. GARRISON THAT IF WE ARE LOOKING FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING WE HAVE TO FIND SOMEPLACE TO FILL THAT HOLE.

WHO IS GONNA TAKE THIS BULL BY THE HORNS?

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I'M ASSUMING THAT YOU WOULD WANT TO DO THAT DURING A NON-SCHOOL TRAFFIC TIMES. THIS IS GOING TO BE A DIFFICULT

PROBLEM TO SOLVE. >> ARE WE READY FOR A MOTION?

>> MADAM CHAIRMAN, I WILL MAKE A MOTION.

>> I THINK WE SHOULD START -- OH, JOE?

>> I WAS HOLDING OFF FOR LAST. >> YOU NEED YOUR MIC.

>> I FREQUENT THIS AREA ALL THE TIME.

I DRIVE PAST THERE. I DON'T LIVE FAR FROM THERE.

I CAN TELL YOU THAT THAT WHOLE DEVELOPMENT -- IF YOU LOOK AT THE -- IF YOU LOOK AT A GOOGLE MAP AND WE HAD ONE GENTLEMAN COME UP AND TALK ABOUT THE D.O.T.'S RATING, THEY MAKE IT LOOK LIKE AN EXTENSION OF NIGHT BOX.

I CAN TELL THAT YOU NIGHT BOX IS A FOUR-LANE ROAD.

THIS IS NOT A FOUR-LANE ROAD. THERE ARE A LOT OF ROADS IN THE BACK PART OF THAT DEVELOPMENT AND GOING NORTH OF THAT DEVELOPMENT. THERE IS A LOT OF UNPAVED ROADS.

TERE IS NOT A LOT OF ACCESS TO GET IN AND OUT.

IF PEOPLE ARE LEAVING THIS PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT IN LIEU OF TRYING TO GET OUT OF BLANDING AND WANT TO GO THE BACK WAY, I DON'T WANT TO USE THE TERM THAT I WANT TO USE FOR THIS, BUT IT IS NOT GOOD. LET'S JUST SAY THAT.

I DON'T THINK THE INFRASTRUCTURE AS BO SAYS IS 100% FOR THE SIZE FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT. AS HE ALSO SAYS, AND I AGREE, I LOVE THE DESIGN OF THIS AND I LOVE THE CONCEPT AND EVERYTHING ELSE. I JUST DON'T THINK THIS IS THE RIGHT PLACE TO PUT IT. I WILL NOT BE IN FAVOR OF THIS

EITHER. >> ALL RIGHT.

I THINK WE'RE READY FOR A MOTION ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN

AMENDMENT. >> YES, MA'AM.

I AM HAPPY TO MAKE A MOTION. I'M GONNA MAKE A MOTION TO

APPROVE STAFF'S REPORT. >> I SECOND.

>> ANY DISCUSSION? OKAY.

ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION TO APPROVE PLEASE RAISE YOUR HANDS.

>> ONE, TWO. >> ALL IN -- ALL OPPOSED TO APPROVING THIS STAFF REPORT PLEASE RAISE YOUR HANDS.

>> 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6. SO THE PLAN IS NOT -- THE RECOMMENDATION IS NOT APPROVED. SHOULD WE VOTE ON THE ZONING? SO WE NEED A MOTION ON THE ZONING PUD-2022-11.

>> I MOVE APPROVAL. >> IS THERE A SECOND?

>> I'LL SECOND. >> MOTION AND A SECOND.

ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR RAISE YOUR HANDS.

TWO. OPPOSED? SAME SIDE. WE HAVE SIX.

AND SO THE APPLICATION IS NOT APPROVED.

>> JUST TO -- JUST A REMINDER THAT THIS WILL COME BEFORE THE

COUNTY COMMISSION -- >> 28TH.

>> IT IS ON THE 28TH, MARCH 28TH.

THEY HAVE THE FINAL SAY. >> OLD BUSINESS AND NEW

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BUSINESS. >> AND THEN PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> ALL RIGHT. WE ARE AT THE OLD BUSINESS/NEW

[Old Business/New Business]

SOMETHING YOU WANT TO COVER? >> YES, MA'AM.

YOU GUYS ASKED I THINK IT WAS LAST MONTH ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND SOME OF THE DISCUSSIONS.

>> YES. >> BILL BROUGHT THAT UP AGAIN TONIGHT. WE HAVE LINED UP FOR YOU -- WE HAVE BILL LAZAR WITH THE ST. JOHN'S HOUSING PARTNERSHIP.

>> THE WHAT? >> THE ST. JOHN'S HOUSING

PARTNERSHIP. >> HE IS REPUTABLE.

>> YES. HE IS COMING AND THERESA SHIPMAN IS COMING AND HEATHER HUFFMAN OVER AT THE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH COMING TO TALK UH FORKEDDABLE -- AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

AND WE HAVE NOAH GONNA BE HERE. IT IS A FULL BOAT.

YOU SHOULD KNOW EVERYTHING THERE IS YOU NEED TO KNOW ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING BY THE END OF THAT MEETING.

IT IS THE FIRST THURSDAY IN APRIL.

I DON'T KNOW. >> OH, THURSDAY?

>> I MEAN TUESDAY. SORRY.

>> IT IS APRIL THE 4TH, I THINK.

>> THE 4TH. >> APRIL THE 4TH.

>> SO THIS WOULD BE IN ADDITION TO OUR REGULAR AGENDA?

>> YES. >> HOW MANY THINGS ARE ON THE

REGULAR AGENDA? >> JUST ONE.

>> WILL THIS BE AN EARLIER VERSION?

>> NO. SAME.

5:00. >> HOW LONG DO YOU THINK THOSE

PRESENTATIONS WOULD TAKE? >> 20 MINUTES APIECE.

>> I THINK BILL'S WILL TAKE 20 OR 30 MINUTES.

I THINK THERESA IS JUST GOING TO BE HERE TO GIVE YOU A 5-MINUTE SCHPEALE ON THE PROGRAM -- I WOULD SAY 45 MINUTES.

>> WELL, WE CAN HANDLE THAT FOR SURE.

AND WE APPRECIATE YOU SETTING THAT UP.

I NOTED THAT IN THE MINUTES. ALL RIGHT.

ANY OTHER OLD BUSINESS OR NEW BUSINESS?

>> I HAVE A NEW BUSINESS. I JUST WANT TO ASK, THIS IS AS MUCH OF A QUESTION AS A COMMENT. SINCE WE ARE NOW GOING TO SWEAR IN FOR ZONING WE HAVE TO TRY TO KEEP TRACK OF WHAT WE ARE DOING.

IS THERE A PROBLEM -- AND COURTNEY, YOU MAY HAVE TO ANSWER THIS. IS THERE A PROBLEM WITH JUST SWEARING THE WHOLE AUDIENCE IN THAT SHOWS UP? AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING? JUST SWEAR THEM ALL IN AND ANYBODY THAT COMES UP IS COVERED? RIGHT. I KNOW THEY DO.

I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE IF THERE IS A WAY WE CAN SPEED THAT PROCESS UP. THAT'S ALL.

>> MAYBE WE CAN -- MAYBE WE CAN -- THIS IS BRAND-NEW TONIGHT. MAYBE WE CAN CONTINUE TO REFLECT ON IT AND COME UP WITH SOME THINGS THAT WILL EXPEDITE IT IN THE FUTURE. ACTUALLY CONSIDERING THAT IT WAS BRAND-NEW TONIGHT, I THINK IT WENT VERY WELL.

>> YOU DID VERY WELL. >> AND ALSO, THANK YOU, JODY, FOR EXPLAINING THAT FOR THE GROUP.

I THINK THAT WAS A VERY IMPORTANT ADDITION.

ANY OTHER OLD BUSINESS OR -- >> I JUST HAVE ONE GENERAL COMMENT. IT IS JUST AN OBSERVATION.

THAT WE -- WE ARE DEMONSTRATING SOMETHING THAT IS SORT OF UNCOMMON TODAY IN PUBLIC DISCOURSE.

THAT IS THE ABILITY TO BE CIVIL WHEN WE DISAGREE WITH EACH OTHER. I CAN'T RESIST THE OPPORTUNITY TO SAY THANK YOU TO YOU GUYS AS FELLOW COMMISSIONERS AND I WISH THE ROOM WAS STILL FULL, BUT I AM SADDENED BY THE FACT THAT ONE PERSON CAN HAVE ONE POSITION AND ANOTHER PERSON -- AND WE ARE TALKING SPECIFICALLY POLITICS. SOMEHOW OR ANOTHER WE BECOME EVIL SIMPLY BECAUSE -- OR WE'RE STUPID OR NOT WORTHY OF RESPECT AND THAT SORT OF THING. I APPRECIATE THAT HERE AT THE LOCAL LEVEL WE MAINTAIN CIVILITY AS PASSIONATE AS WE MAY BE ABOUT

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CIVIL DEBATE. >> THANK YOU, BILL.

I APPRECIATE THE PROFESSIONALISM OF ALL INVOLVED INCLUDING OUR COMMISSIONERS AND OUR STAFF. IT'S A PLEASURE AND IT IS A PRIVILEGE TO BE A PART OF THE PROCESS.

DID I DO THE LAST PUBLIC COMMENT?

> I DON'T THINK SO. >> WELL, I AM OPENING THE FINAL PUBLIC COMMENT. I DON'T SEE ANYBODY.

I WILL CLOSE IT. W WILL BE -- WE WILL BE ADJOURNED. SEE YOU IN APRIL.

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