[CALL TO ORDER] [00:00:02] >> OKAY. IF EVEN COULD PLEASE FIND A SEAT. IT IS 4:02. WHEN WE CAN FIND OUR COMMISSIONERS. ALL RIGHT. OUR INVOCATION TODAY WILL BE BROUGHT TO US BY COMMISSIONER CELLA. >> GOOD AFTERNOON. I INVITE YOU TO PRAY WITH US BEFORE WE GET STARTED WITH OUR MEETING. PLEASE BOW YOUR HEADS. LORD, WE ARE THANKFUL FOR THIS DAY THAT YOU HAVE GIVEN US AS WE GATHER HERE, WE PRAY THAT WE ARE MINDFUL OF OPPORTUNITIES TO RENDER SERVICE TO OUR FELLOW CITIZENS AND TO OUR COMMUNITY. STRENGTHEN OUR CONFIDENCE AND SET US ON THE RIGHT PATH IN ORDER TO WORK TOGETHER EFFICIENTLY AND BLESS THIS MEETING AND ALL THOSE PRESENT AS WELL AS THE LIVES OF THOSE WE WILL ENCOUNTER AFTERWARD. I ASK THAT YOU PROVIDE SPECIAL PROTECTION FOR BOTH OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS AND OUR FIRE AND RESCUE PERSONNEL AS THEY, IN TURN, PROTECT OUR RESIDENTS. HEAVENLY FATHER, READY US TO MAKE EVERY MOMENT COUNT. AMEN. >> AMEN. >> ALL RIGHT. OUR VETERAN-LED PLEDGE TODAY IS GOING TO BE BROUGHT TO US BY CHIEF NAVY CAREER COUNSELOR ROSALYNN TYLER. CHIEF TYLER RETIRED AFTER 22 YEARS OF SERVICE IN THE UNITED STATES NAVY AND ACHIEVED THE RANK OF E-7 DURING HER CAREER. SHE AND HER FATHER AND BROTHER DEPLOYED IN THE SAME BATTLE DURING OPERATION IRAQI FREEDOM, AND SHE AND HER FATHER AND SON WERE ALL ON ACTIVE DUTY AT THE SAME TIME FOR ABOUT A YEAR. CHIEF TYLER IS AN ORANGE PARK RESIDENT AND CURRENTLY VOLUNTEERS WITH OPERATION BARN BUS. THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE, CHIEF TYLER. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE THIS AFTERNOON. YOU CAN LEAD US IN THE PLEDGE. AND THEN IF YOU HAVE A FEW WORDS YOU WOULD LIKE TO SHARE. >> THANK YOU. >> I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. I WANT TO THANK YOU ALL FOR HAVING ME HERE. I THANK YOU, I THANK CLAY COUNTY FOR THE SUPPORT IT GIVES TO OPERATION BARNABUS AND ALL VETERANS. WE ARE BLESSED TO BE IN A COMMUNITY THAT CARES ABOUT VETERANS AND SERVING THEM ONCE THEY COME HOME. WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. >> THANK YOU. (APPLAUSE). >> OKAY. I WILL NOW CALL TO ORDER THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS MEETING OF FEBRUARY 28, 2023. LET THE RECORD REFLECT ALL COMMISSIONERS ARE PRESENT. [PET ADOPTIONS] WE WILL MOVE INTO PET ADOPTIONS. OKAY. OUR FIRST DOG TODAY IS HENRY. NEUTERED MALE, MIXED BREED. TWO YEARS OLD. WEIGHS 65 POUNDS. HENRY HERE. I'M AN ACTIVE BOY LOOKING FOR AN ACTIVE FAMILY I. I LOVE RUNNING, PLAYING WITH TENNIS BALLS, JUMPING IN BABY POOLS, TREATS, LEARNING NEW THINGS AND A LOT OF ATTENTION. I'M CRATE-TRAINED, DOG-FRIENDLY AND I KNOW SOME BASIC COMMANDS ALREADY. I NEED A HOME WITH NO CATS. I REALLY LIKE CHASING THEM. BUT IT ISN'T WELL-RECEIVED. I WOULD DO BEST WITH OLDER CHILDREN BECAUSE I'M SUPER ACTIVE. A VERY BIG BOY AND I CAN BE A BIT MUCH FOR THE LITTLE ONES.% I'M UP TO DATE ON MY VACCINES AND MICRO-CHIPPED AND HEART WORM-NEGATIVE. NEXT WE HAVE FOREST. NEUTERED MALE, MIXED BREED. ONE YEAR OLD. WEIGHS 61 POUNDS. FOREST IS A SWEET BOY THAT LOVES TO SNUGGLE. HE IS DOG-FRIENDLY, HOUSE-TRAINED, AND HE IS LOOKING FOR HIS NEW FOREVER FAMILY. LIFE HAS DEALT FOREST AN UNFAIR HAND. HE IS NOT LETTING THAT STOP HIM FROM BEING A HAPPYUP. >> WE ARE NOT SURE HOW HE IS AROUND CHILDREN, BUT WE DO KNOW HE IS NOT A FAN OF CATS. HE IS UP TO DATE ON HIS VAC VACCINES, MICRO-CHIPPED, AND HEARTWORM-NEGATIVE. OUR FIRST CAT TODAY IS CALI, SPAYED FEMALE, DOMESTIC SHORT-HAIR. SIX MONTHS OLD. CALI IS A CALM GIRL THAT LIKES TO LOUCK AROUND AND ALSO ENJOYS PLAYING WITH HER TOYS. SHE IS STILL A KITTEN, AFTER ALL. SHE LIKES TO BE DOTED ON, AND SHE ENJOYS HER KITTY TREATS. THIS TABBY GIRL CAME TO US AS A STRAY, SO WE ARE STILL GETTING TO KNOW HER. SO FAR, SHE IS A SWEETHEART. CALI IS UP TO DATE ON HER VACCINES AND IS MICRO-CHIPPED. AND LASTLY, WE HAVE STELLA, SPAYED FEMALE, DOMESTIC SHORT-HAIR. SHE IS NINE MONTHS OLD. SNUGGLE BUDDY ALERT. STELLA IS A SWEET GIRL THAT LOVES TO SNUGGLE. [00:05:02] WHETHER IT IS IN BLANKETS OR IN YOUR ARMS. THIS GIRL IS READY. TOYS ARE NOT REALLY HER THING. SHE DOES LOVE A NICE TREAT OF WET FOOD WHICH SHE HAS BECOME ACCUSTOMED TO HERE AT THE ANIMAL SHELTER. STELLA IS UP TO DATE ON HER VACCINES AND IS MICRO-CHIPPED. IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO JOIN OUR KITTEN CREW, WE ARE ALWAYS LOOKING FOR FOSTERS. IF YOU ARE INTERESTED, CONTACT US AT CLAY FOSTERS AT CLAY COUNTYGOV.COM. LASTLY, IF YOU ARE INTERESTED IN HELPING OUR FURRY FRIENDS BUT CAN'T BRING ONE HOME, VISIT THE AMAZON WISHLIST. WE ARE ALWAYS IN NEED OF ITEMS FOR OUR FOSTER KITTENS AND SHELTER ANIMALS GO. TO AMAZON.COM. THAT CONCLUDES THE PET ADOPTIONS. >> OKAY. THANK YOU. IF I FOLLOW... IF MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS COULD JOIN ME DOWN FRONT. >> ALL RIGHT. [Glenn East, Battalion Chief] FIRST ON THE AGENDA THIS AFTERNOON, WE HAVE A SPECIAL STAFF RECOGNITION. THIS SAYS PROUD. WE ARE PROUD. IT IS A LITTLE BITTERSWEET. WE ARE PROUD TO CONGRATULATE BATTALION CHIEF GLEN EAST ON HIS FEBRUARY 28-- THAT IS TODAY, RIGHT? RETIREMENT FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC SAFETY AFTER 32 YEARS OF SERVICE TO CLAY COUNTY. CHIEF MOCK HAS SOME INFORMATION SHE IS GOING TO SHARE. (APPLAUSE) HE WILL SHARE WITH US SOME INFORMATION ABOUT THIS VERY STORIED LONG CAREER OF 32 YEARS OF SERVICE. AND THEN WE HAVE A SPECIAL PLAQUE FOR YOU. >> IF YOU ACTUALLY DO THE CALCULATION, HE IS A MONTH SHORT OF 33 YEARS, BASICALLY. SO IT REALLY SHOULD BE 32 AND 1112THS OR SOMETHING. IF WE ARE DOING THE MATH. GLEN WAS HIRED IN APRIL OF '90. THROUGHOUT THE COURSE OF HIS CAREER, HAS HELD THE POSITION OF ENGINEER, LIEUTENANT, CAPTAIN AND WAS PROMOTED TO BATTALION CHIEF IN 2012. BUT THE LAST PART OF HIS CAREER, WHEN PEOPLE-- SOME PEOPLE ARE SLIDING INTO RETIREMENT, THAT IS WHEN GLEN REALLY UPPED THE GAME. THE THING THAT MAKES IT BITTERSWEET HERE IS THAT IN MARCH OF '19, WHEN JOHN WARD LEFT US FOR THE FIRST TIME TO GO TO THE SCHOOL BOARD, BEFORE HE SAW THE ERRORS IN THE WAYS AND CAME BACK. WHERE IS JOHN? YEAH. LOOK AT HIM LAUGHING. I CAME TO GLEN AND ASKED IF HE COULD STEP UP AND HELP IN EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT FOR ALMOST A YEAR, I THINK OR OVER A YEAR. HE STEPPED UP TO THAT TASK. AND THAT REALLY IS COMMENDABLE. IT SHOWS THE TYPE OF SERVICE THAT HE HAS PROVIDED TO THE COUNTY. IT GETS BETTER YET. I THINK IT WAS SEPTEMBER OF 2 2020, BERNIE THAT BUSH WAS RETIRING. I ASKED GLEN TO STEP UP AND TAKE THAT OVER. WOW, DID HE STUN UP AND TAKE IT OVER. YOU KNOW, IN THE TWO YEARS SINCE, HE HAS PLACED THAT PROGRAM ON TO THE STATE PAGE. HE RECEIVED THE NORTHEAST FLORIDA REGIONAL AWARD FOR EXCELLENCE FOR PUBLIC SAFETY THIS YEAR. THE FLORIDA D.O.H. WAS A MEDICAL PROVIDER HEALTH OF THE YEAR. A STATE RECOGNITION. SO WE CAN'T BE MORE PROUD OF WHAT HE HAS DONE TO THAT PROGRAM. UNFORTUNATELY, HE ALREADY HAD BEEN IN THE DROP, SO WE HAVE TO SAY GOOD-BYE TO HIM. BUT BOY, TALK ABOUT SOMEBODY WHO WENT INTO RETIREMENT RUNNING ON ALL CYLINDERS AND REALLY RAISING THE BAR FOR US. AS WE MOVE FORWARD. IT IS TO THAT THAT WE CONGRATULATE HIM. COME ON, HEATHER. I WAS GOING TO ASK YOU TO COME UP. SHE CAN SPEAK TO BASICALLY WHAT HE HAS DONE THERE. HEATHER, I'LL PASS IT OVER TO YOU. >> THANK YOU, CHIEF. I WROTE A GRANT BACK IN ACCOUNT 19 BEFORE THAT BIG COVID CAME AROUND. I HAD A DREAM OF WHAT WE COULD DO RELATED TO PARAMEDICS WITH THE OPIOID ADDICTION PROBLEM. WE HAD A HIGHER-THAN-THE STATE AVERAGE IN THIS COUNTY. OF COURSE, THE PANDEMIC HIT. WE WERE SLOW GETTING OFF THE GROUND. BUT GLEN TOOK THE REINS AND I WAS ABLE TO SEE MY VISION COME TO LIFE. I FEEL VERY BLESSED TO HAVE HAD HIM AS A COLLEAGUE AND A FRIEND AND REALLY JUST SEE HOW HE HAS REALLY BROUGHT THESE PARTNERS TOGETHER AND BEEN ABLE TO MAKE AN IMPACT ON THE LIVES OF THOSE THAT LIVE HERE IN THIS COMMUNITY. ESPECIALLY THOSE DEALING WITH ADDICTION, SUBSTANCE MISUSE, BUT ALSO DEALING WITH OVERDOSES AND [00:10:04] THE AFTERMATH THAT COME WITH THAT. >> THANKS, HEATHER. SO AS WE WERE SEEING HERE, GLEN, WE ARE GOING TO INVITE YOU TO STEP OVER AND RECEIVE THE PLAQUE FOR YOUR YEARS OF SERVICE. I THINK WE CAN ASK THE FAMILY TO COME UP AND BE PART OF THIS FOR THE PICTURES. THAT WOULD BE NICE. OH, YEAH. YEAH. ESPECIALLY THE KIDS. >> THIS ISN'T HAPPENING AGAIN. >> WELL-SAID, GLEN. >> I DON'T HAVE THAT MANY YEARS LEFT IN ME. THERE YOU GO, GLEN. I WOULD LIKE TO THANK EVERYBODY FOR THE KIND WORDS, THE RECOGNITION. IT IS DEFINITELY A LONG TIME. THE PROGRAM WAS JUST SOMETHING UNEXPECTED THAT TURNED OUT GREAT. IT IS GOING TO CONTINUE. WE HAVE BUILT A GREAT TEAM. THE TEAM IS OVER HERE WITH US TODAY. I COULDN'T ASK FOR A BETTER GROUP TO LEAVE IT WITH. SO I EXPECT GOOD THINGS. I EXPECT YOU GUYS TO GROW IT. DON'T JUST MAINTAIN IT. BUT THANK YOU FOR WHAT Y'ALL HAVE DONE TO HELP ME KEEP IT GOING. THANK YOU FOR THE CHANCE TO BE ABLE TO TAKE IT AND RUN WITH IT. >> OUR PLEASURE. TRUST ME. YUP. THANK YOU. (APPLAUSE). >> O'SCAI. [1.  American Red Cross Month (March 2023)] WE HAVE TWO PROCLAMATIONS THIS AFTERNOON. MARCH IS AMERICAN RED CROSS MONTH. AND THIS YEAR, THE AMERICAN RED CROSS IS MARKING ITS 142ND ANNIVERSARY. IT IS ALSO THE 109TH ANNIVERSARY OF THE NORTHEAST FLORIDA CHAPTER OF THE AMERICAN RED CROSS. WE ARE HONORED TO HAVE SOME SPECIAL GUESTS HERE TO HELP US COMMEMORATE THESE ANNIVERSARIES AND HIGHLIGHT THE CRITICAL WORK THE AMERICAN RED CROSS DOES EVERY DAY TO SERVE OUR COMMUNITIES. PLEASE JOIN US UP FRONT, SKIP KRAMER. SKIP IS THE COMMUNITY VOLUNTEER LEADER FOR CLAY COUNTY. BILL SLATTERLY. BILL IS THE DISASTER SERVICES VOLUNTEER AND NORTHEAST CHAPTER VOLUNTEER OF THE YEAR. JOE CLARKE. JOE IS A DISASTER PROGRAM MANAGER WHOSE TERRITORY INCLUDES CLAY COUNTY. AND AMBER BIERFUND, COMMUNICATIONS DIRECTOR FOR THE RED CROSS OF NORTH FLORIDA. LY TURN IT OVER TO THE COMMISSIONER TO READ THE PROCLAMATION AND THEN IF YOU WANT TO SAY A FEW WORDS. >> THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THANKS ALL FOR BEING HERE. WE APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE. AND WHAT YOU DO FOR OUR COMMUNITY. AND THIS IS A PROCLAMATION THAT WE WILL BE ADOPTING. WHEREAS FOUNDED IN 1881, THE AMERICAN RED CROSS PREVENTS AND ALLEVIATES HUMAN SUFFERING IN THE FACE OF EMERGENCIES BY MOBILIZING THE POWER OF VOLUNTEERS AND THE GENEROSITY OF DONORS. AND WHEREAS THE AMERICAN RED CROSS RESPONDS TO MORE THAN 60,000 DISASTERS ANNUALLY, DELIVERS VITAL SERVICES TO MEMBERS OF THE ARMED FORCES, THEIR FAMILIES AND VETERANS AT HOME AND OVERSEAS, AND PROVIDED LIFE-SAVING HEALTH AND SAFETY TRAINING TO MORE THAN 4.6 MILLION PEOPLE IN 2022. RED CROSS MONTH ACROSS THE NATION AND 2023 MARKS THE 142ND ANNIVERSARY OF THE AMERICAN RED CROSS AND THE 109TH ANNIVERSARY OF FLORIDA'S FIRST CHARTERED RED CROSS CHAPTER ESTABLISHED HERE IN NORTHEAST FLORIDA IN MARCH OF 1914. AND WHEREAS THE NORTHEAST FLORIDA CHAPTER OF THE AMERICAN RED CROSS PROVIDES ITS HUMANITARIAN SERVICE ACROSS 13 COUNTIES IN NORTHEAST FLORIDA AND AS THE HEADQUARTERS FOR THE 35 COUNTY RED CROSS NORTH FLORIDA REGION STRETCHING FROM THE FIRST COAST ACROSS THE ENTIRE BREADTH OF THE FLORIDA PANHANDLE. WHEREAS THE NORTH FLORIDA REGION AND NORTHEAST FLORIDA CHAPTER OF THE AMERICAN RED CROSS IN 2022 HELPED MORE THAN 1,200 FAMILIES [00:15:03] AFFECTED BY HOME FIRES OR OTHER DISASTERS, INCLUDING 141 RESIDENTS OF CLAY COUNTY. AND WHEREAS THE NORTH FLORIDA RED CROSS REGION PROVIDED NEARLY 19,000 VITAL SERVICES TO MILITARY MEMBERS, VETERANS AND FAMILIES AND DEPLOYED MORE THAN 200 VOLUNTEERS IN RESPONSE TO HURRICANES AND OTHER DISASTERS IN FLORIDA AND NATIONALLY. AND WHEREAS THE AMERICAN RED CROSS AND ITS NORTHEAST FLORIDA CHAPTER HAVE DELIVERED THESE VITAL SERVICES WITHOUT INTERRUPTION AND WITH SCRUPULOUS ATTENTION TO CLIENT AND VOLUNTEER SAFETY THROUGHOUT THE COVID-19 PANDEMIC. WHEREAS THE AMERICAN RED CROSS DISASTER AID IS FREE AND 90 CENTS OF EVERY DOLLAR DONATED GOES TO MISSION SERVICE DELIVERY. THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED, THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS, CLAY COUNTY, FLORIDA DOES HEREBY PROCLAIM MARCH, 2023 AS RED CROSS MONTH IN CLAY COUNTY. AND RECOGNIZES THE 142ND ANNIVERSARY OF THE AMERICAN RED CROSS AND THE 109TH ANNIVERSARY OF THE NORTHEAST FLORIDA CHAPTER OF THE AMERICAN RED CROSS AND COMMENDS THE VOLUNTEERS AND PAID STAFF FOR OE NORTH FLORIDA REGION FOR THEIR CONTINUING HUMANITARIAN SERVICE TO CLAY COUNTY AND TO THE STATE OF FLORIDA. DULY ADOPTED BY THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS, CLAY COUNTY, FLORIDA, THIS 28TH DAY OF FEBRUARY, 2023. DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE? >> SECOND. >> A MOTION AND SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE. >> AYE. >> AND WE ARE FULLY APPROVED AND CONGRATULATIONS TO YOU, SKIP AND YOUR CREW. WHY DON'T YOU SAY A FEW WORDS FOR US. >> OH, I APPRECIATE VERY MUCH THE COMMISSIONERS TAKING THIS ACTION FOR US. IT IS ALWAYS INTERESTING STANDING UP HERE WONDERING IF YOU ARE GOING TO GET ALL FIVE VOTES WHEN THEY GO THROUGH THE APPROVAL PROCLAMATION. I FIRST WANT TO START BY THANKING THE ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICES OF THE COMMISSIONBOARD COUNTY COMMISSIONERS FOR THE GREAT SUPPORT THAT THEY PROVIDE WITH THIS AND A LOT OF... IN MANY OTHER WAYS. I WOULD LIKE TO FIRST RECOGNIZE BILL SLATY, SLATTERY, ONE OF THE BEST OF THE BEST. HE WAS A DISASTER VOLUNTEER OF THE YEAR PREVIOUSLY. HE AND HIS WIFE NICKNAMED THUNDER AND LIGHTNING DEPLOYED NATIONALLY ON RELIEF ASSIGNMENTS AS WELL AS SERVING HERE IN CLAY COUNTY. HE IS A KEYSTONE HEIGHTS RESIDENT. JOE CLARKE IS A DISASTER PROGRAM MANAGER. HE IS THE ONE THAT WORKS DIRECTLY WITH JOHN WARD, YOUR EMERGENCY MANAGER AND JOE HAS OTHER COUNTIES THAT HE IS RESPONSIBLE FOR. HE PAYS SPECIAL ATTENTION TO CLAY COUNTY. I LIVE HERE. HE APPRECIATES THAT. JOE. OUR REGION COMMUNICATIONS MANAGER, DIRECTOR, SHE AND I HAVE BEEN TOGETHER FOR 15 YEARS, I THINK. SOMETHING LIKE THAT. OH, MY GOSH. ALL RIGHT. I HAVE A SPECIAL ANNOUNCEMENT TONIGHT THAT I REALLY WANT TO SHARE, AND IT IS ONE OF THE CONSTITUENTS OF COMMISSIONER-- YEAH. I DON'T HAVE MY HEARING AIDS IN. IT IS A BEAUTIFUL HAITIAN NAME. I KEEP WANTING TO DO IT IN FRENCH FOR MY ASSIGNMENT IN... FROM MY SNIEMENT FRANCE. ONE OF THE COMMISSIONERS' CONSTITUENTS OUT IN THE... NAMED TERRY MYLES. HE IS A RETIRED MASTER CHIEF. 31 YEARS. HE CAME TO VOLUNTEER WITH RED CROSS, AND HE FIRST WAS WITH OUR HOSPITAL VOLUNTEER PROGRAM, HELPING TO RUN 75 VOLUNTEERS IN JACKSONVILLE. HE HAS WORKED IN EVERY AREA THAT RED CROSS HAS. HERE IN THE NORTHEAST FLORIDA AREA. SPECIAL FOCUS IN OUR PARTICULAR FIVE-COUNTY AREAS. THEY MAKE UP NORTHEAST FLORIDA. BUT TERRY WAS JUST ANNOUNCED AS A WINNER OF THE AMERICAN NATIONAL RED CROSS. PRESIDENTIAL EXCELLENCE AWARD AND HUMANITARIAN SERVICES. IT DOESN'T GET ANY BETTER THAN THAT. THAT IS THE CALIBER OF PEOPLE THAT YOU HAVE. VOLUNTEERING WITH RED CROSS. THEY ARE HERE TO SERVE THIS COMMUNITY, AND I CAN'T END WITHOUT A CALL FOR MORE VOLUNTEERS. WE NEED MORE BILLS. WE NEED MORE TERRIES. WE LOOK FOR UNDERSTAND THE TO [00:20:03] CONNECT... WE LOOK FOR OPPORTUNITIES TO CONNECT WITH YOU. WITH ORGANIZATIONS TO. HELP MAKE US A MORE RESILIENT COMMUNITY HERE IN CLAY COUNTY. THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME THAT TIME. (APPLAUSE). >> THANK YOU. [2.  Flood Awareness Week (March 6-10, 2023)] >> OUR FINAL PROCLAMATION TODAY IS THE FLOOD PLAN MANAGERS ASSOCIATION. THEY HAVE DECLARED MARCH 6-10, 2023 AS FLOOD AWARENESS WEEK TO BRING AWARENESS TO RESIDENTS ABOUT THE NEED TO PREPARE FOR FLOODING. PLEASE JOIN US UP FRONT. ASSISTANT COUNTY MANAGER CHARLIE LATHAM. ARE YOU HERE, CHARLIE? THERE HE IS. AND CLAY COUNTY ECONOMIC AND DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, MARIA HANEY. FOR FLOOD AWARENESS WEEK, CLAY COUNTY PROCLAMATION. >> WELL, CERTAINLY MY HONOR TO RECOGNIZE OUR DIVISION OF ECONOMIC RESILIENCY. THAT IS WHAT I WANT TO TALK ABOUT. LET ME READ THE PROCLAMATION. WHEREAS CLAY COUNTY HAS EXPERIENCED SEVERE WEATHER IN THE FORM OF EXTREME RAINFALL AND TROPICAL SYSTEM EVENTS, RESULTING IN FLOODING ON MULTIPLE OCCASIONS, AND WHEREAS THIS FLOODING CAUSED DAMAGE AND FLOOD LOSSES TO HOMES AND BUILDINGS AND WHEREAS THE REDUCTION OF LIFE AND PROPERTY DAMAGE CAN BE ACHIEVED WHEN APPROPRIATE FLOOD PREPAREDNESS CONTROL AND MITIGATION MEASURES ARE TAKEN BEFORE A FLOOD AND WHEREAS CLAY COUNTY IS A VOLUNTARY PARTICIPANT IN THE NATIONAL FLOOD INSURANCE PROGRAM WHICH PROVIDES THE RESIDENTS WITH THE OPPORTUNITY TO PROTECT THEMSELVES AGAINST FLOOD LOSS THROUGH THE PURCHASE OF FLOOD INSURANCE AT REDUCED INSURANCE PREMIUM RATES AS WELL AS ENFORCING REGULATORY STANDARDS TO REDUCE THE FLOOD RISK. WHEREAS PUBLIC EDUCATION AND AWARENESS OF WEATHER HAZARDS AND METHODS OF PROTECTION ARE CRITICAL TO THE HEALTH, SAFETY, AND WELFARE OF RESIDENTS AND THE FLORIDA FLOOD PLANE MANAGERS ASSOCIATION HAS DECLARE THE SECOND WEEK OF MARCH AS FLOOD AWARENESS WEEK. TO PROMOTE THE AWARENESS OF FLOOD RISK, THE AVAILABILITY OF FLOOD INSURANCE, FLOOD PROTECTION METHODS AND HOW TO PREPARE FOR EMERGENCIES. NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED THAT THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS, CLAY COUNTY, FLORIDA DOES HEREBY PROCLAIM MARCH 6-10, 2023 AS FLOOD AWARENESS WEEK IN CLAY COUNTY. DULY ADOPTED BY THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS, CLAY COUNTY FLORIDA, THIS 28TH DAY OF FEBRUARY, 2023. DO I HAVE A MOTION? >> SECOND. >> I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR. >> AYE. >> SO CONGRATULATIONS. (APPLAUSE). >> WE ARE GOING TO TAKE A MOMENT TO THANK THE COMMISSION FOR RECOGNIZING SUCH AN IMPORTANT ISSUE FOR OUR COUNTY. ALSO WANT TO THANK A FEW PEOPLE IN THE GROUP. MEGAN, BACK IN THE GRANTS DEPARTMENT. MARIA, IN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. AND THAT IS NOT RIGHT. IS IT? IT IS. GOOD. AND ALSO CHRISTINE ROGAN, WHO IS OUR ENVIRONMENTAL ASSISTANT WITH ENVIRONMENTAL SERVICES. SHE IS ALSO ONE OF THE PARTNERS THAT WORKS WITH THE RESILIENCY TEAM. WHAT IS RESILIENCY? IT IS DEFINED AS THE EFFORTS THAT IT TAKES TO CORRECT FROM SOMETHING BAD. SO WE ARE NOT ABOUT PREVENTING FLOODS ORK A OR ACTS OF GOD. WE ARE ABOUT PROVIDING SERVICES TO GET THE COUNTY READY FOR THE NEXT ONE. WHAT WE HAVE DONE IS APPLIED FOR WITH MEGAN'S GRANT, TO FUND A VULNERABILITY REPORT WHERE WE WILL FIND OUT FROM JONES EDMONDS ASSOCIATES WHERE OUR WEAK SPOTS ARE AS A COUNTY FOR FLOODING. THEN WE WILL BUILD A PLAN. THAT WILL BE AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC. AND CERTAINLY BRIEFED THROUGH THE BOARD WHEN IT IS ALL DONE. IN THE INTERIM, I HAVE A FEW PIECES OF ADVICE FOR YOU. ACTUALLY, THIS CAME FROM MARIA. YOUR PERSONAL PROPERTY AND THE FLOOD RISK THAT ARE THERE. OBTAIN FLOOD INSURANCE WHICH IS PRETTY IMPORTANT. AND WHEN ENCOUNTERING FLOODED STREETS, BACK UP AND THEN TURN AROUND. DON'T RIDE DOWN FLOODED STREETS. [00:25:01] AND THEN WE WILL WORK HARD TO GET THE FLOODING MITIGATED AS MUCH AS WE CAN. AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. (APPLAUSE). >> OKAY. [3.  2023 Inspector General's Annual Plan (O. Rabel)] NEXT ON THE AGENDA WE HAVE OUR CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICERS. I SEE OUR SHERIFF IS HERE. SHERIFF, DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING FOR US THIS AFTERNOON? >> NO, MA'AM. >> THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. AND THEN I KNOW WE HAVE... I WANTED TO RECOGNIZE THAT WE HAVE REPRESENTATIVE-- A REPRESENTATIVE FROM CONGRESSMAN AARON BEAN'S OFFICE THIS AFTERNOON. BRIAN CAMPBELL. WE APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE THIS AFTERNOON. (APPLAUSE). >> AS WELL AS MANY OTHER ELECTED OFFICIALS FROM THE TOWN OF ORANGE PARK. THEY ARE LATER ON THE AGENDA. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE THIS AFTERNOON AS WELL. AND THEN CLARKE GREEN. YOU ARE UP. >> THE 2023 RISK ASSESSMENT PLAN THAT WE MET WITH EACH COMMISSIONER ON AS WELL AS THE COUNTY MANAGER. THIS PLAN IS COMING FROM THE INSPECTOR-GENERAL'S OFFICE WHICH IS PART OF OUR COUNTY AUDITOR FUNCTION. AND I HAVE MISS OLGA RABEL HERE. I WANTED TO MAKE HER AVAILABLE IN CASE THERE WERE FURTHER QUESTIONS OR ANYTHING THAT NEEDED TO BE COVERED BEFORE WE START THE ASSESSMENT PLANS FOR THE YEAR. >> OKAY. ANY COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANYST? >> I HAVE A COMMENT. OLGA PRESENTED THE PLAN, AND IT IS A VERY ROBUST PLAN. I WAS IMPRESSED WITH IT. >> THANK YOU. >> OLGA IS GOING TO BE WORKING SOME LONG HOURS. >> IT IS. OLGA NEEDS HELP. WE ARE TRYING TO FIND HER AN AUDITOR. TO ASSIST. >> ANY OTHERS? >> OKAY. >> AND THEN IF YOU DON'T MIND, A QUICK UPDATE ON SOME LEGISLATIVE ITEMS. AND I'LL EXPLAIN WHY I'M BRINGING THAT UP KIND OF TOWARDS BEFORE I DO THAT, WE HAVE OUR OPERATION GREEN LIGHT. WHICH IS DIFFERENT THAN OUR VET... THE COUNTY INITIATIVE, OPERATION GREEN LIGHT. THIS ONE IS DONE STATEWIDE WITH ALL CLERKS. IT IS KIND OF AN AMNESTY DAY, IF YOU WILL. IF YOU HAVE FAMILY MEMBERS OR CONSTITUENTS WHO HAVE FOUND THEMSELVES IN THE COURT SYSTEM >> IF THEY ARE IN THE SYSTEM AND COURT FINES THIS IS A GREAT EVENT TO -PL -- TO COME AND SEE US WE CAN GET THEIR LICENSE RENEWED AND THEY WILL BE BACK ON THE ROAD AND DRIVING SAFELY AND HELP THEM GET THROUGH THE SYSTEM. THIS YEAR WE ARE HOLDING THE EVENT ON MARCH 11TH FROM 8 TO 12 AT THE OAK PARK BRANCH. THERE IS INFORMATION ON MY WEBSITE AS WELL AS THEY CAN CALL. IT IS A GREAT DAY TO TRY TO HELP THE INDIVIDUALS WHO HAVE FOUND THEMSELVES KIND OF BEHIND IN THE SYSTEM. WE ARE HAPPY TO DO THAT. LASTLY BECAUSE I KNOW WE HAVE A PRETTY HEAVY AGENDA TODAY, I WANT TO BRING IT TO THE ATTENTION OF THE BOARD BECAUSE I AM LOOKING FOR SUPPORT. FIRST OF ALL YOU GUYS AS A COUNTY AT COUNTY COMMISSIONERS AND THE COUNTY MANAGER HAVE DONE A FABULOUS JOB PARTNERING WITH THE CLERK'S OFFICE WHEN IT COMES TO LOCAL RESPONSIBILITY NEEDS AND FUNDING NEEDS. I GO TO YOU GUYS FOR FUNDING FOR OUR COMPTROLLER AND THE COUNTY FINANCE FOR OUR INSPEC -- INSPECTOR GENERAL AND TEEN COURT THAT IS A SUCCESSFUL DIVERSION PROGRAM AMONGST OTHER THINGS. FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU FOR THAT. I DON'T EVER REALLY EVER HAVE TO FIGHT FOR THOSE FUNDS BECAUSE I THINK EVERYBODY BELIEVES IN THE GOOD OF IT. THE LARGE PART OF MY OFFICE IS ON THE COURTSIDE. ON THE COURTSIDE WE ARE STATE FUNDED. WE COLLECT COURT COST FEES AND FINES AND WE DISTRIBUTE THEM TO 45 DIFFERENT TRUST FUNDS. WHETHER IT IS GOOD POLICY OR NOT, THESE FUNDS HAVE BEEN SLOWLY REDISTRIBUTED AWAY FROM YOUR JUSTICE PARTNERS AND INTO [00:30:07] TRUST FUNDS. GOOD TRUST FUNDS, CRIME WATCHERS, SPINAL CORD INJURY, ALL GOOD ONES. WHAT IT HAS DONE, CLERKS TODAY STATEWIDE ARE OPERATING OFF THE SAME BUDGET WE HAD 10 YEARS AGO, IF YOU CAN IMAGINE. BECAUSE OUR STATE PARTNERS ARE APPROPRIATED FROM GENERAL REVENUE, THEY HAVE BEEN ABLE TO KEEP UP WITH THE DEMAND OF COMPENSATION AND THE SKILL SET THAT'S ARE NEEDED AND THE FRS INCREASES AND THE HEALTHCARE INCREASES. WHERE CLERKS, WE DON'T HAVE A MECHANISM FOR THAT. WE HAD TO ABSORB, IF YOU WILL, THOSE COSTS. AND WE HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH OUR LEGISLATORS LOCALLY AND AT THE STATE LEVEL AND SUCCESSFULLY AND SLOWLY TRYING TO GET THE SYSTEM WHERE WE CAN BE FUNDED SO THAT WE CAN RETAIN PERSONNEL AND HAVE CRITICAL SERVICES CONTINUE TO BE OFFERED. TO GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE, IN THE LAST FOUR YEARS, I HAVE HAD 52% TURNOVER RATE FOR VARIOUS REASONS. IT IS A HIGH-STRESS JOB, THERE IS A LOT OF LIABILITY AND OUR TIME TO TRAIN IS LITTLE TO NONE BECAUSE WE NEED TO FILL A SEAT, FILL A GAP AND KEEP A CENTRAL SERVICE GOING. WITH THAT BEING SAID, WE HAVE BEEN WORKING OVER THE LAST THREE YEARS WITH OUR LEADERSHIP IN TALLAHASSEE AND WE HAVE TWO BILLS THAT ARE OUT THERE THAT ARE GOING TO HELP IF THEY GET THE SUPPORT AND THEY PASS AND THEY HAVE QUITE A BIT OF SUPPORT BEHIND THEM THAT WILL HELP CLOSE THE GAP AT A STATEWIDE LEVEL. IT IS 36.5 MILLION AND THAT'S BASED ON WHAT WE NEED TO OPERATE VERSUS WHAT WE ARE APPROPRIATED BASED ON PROJECTED REVENUES QUITE FRANKLY. THERE IS A $36.5 MILLION GAP AND WE MADE A PROPOSAL TO THE LEGISLATORS WE HAD TWO SPONSORS. HOUSE SIDE IT IS HOUSE BILL 77 AND ON THE SENATE SIDE IT IS SENATE BILL 1130 WITH TRAVIS HUDSON. AND THIS BILL WILL WORK TO CLOSE THE GAP THIS YEAR AND GIVE US MECHANISMS FOR NEXT YEAR. THE REASON THIS IS IMPORTANT TO BRING UP IS BECAUSE WHAT I AM SEEING ACROSS THE STATE IS CLERKS ARE HAVING TO GO TO THE COUNTY TO ASK FOR FUNDING TO OFFSET WHAT THEY ARE NOT GETTING AT A STATE LEVEL AND TO KEEP THE CRITICAL SERVICES GOING. THAT'S SOMETHING I DO NOT WANT TO DO. I WOULD PROBABLY -- I WOULD PROBABLY HAVE TO LOOK AT THE CRITICAL SERVICES BEFORE I COME AND ASK FOR TAXPAYERS DOLLARS TO PAY FOR A STATE COURT SYSTEM QUITE FRANKLY. I AM ASKING -- IF IT COMES TO YOUR ATTENTION AND IF ONE OF OUR LEGISLATORS LOCALLY OR EVEN IN THE REGION ASK YOU ABOUT T I'M -- ABOUT IT, I'M ASKING YOU SUPPORT THE BILL TO MAKE SURE CLERKS GET ADEQUATELY FUNDED. I WANTED TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE EDUCATION ON IT. IF YOU NEED MORE ON IT, I WOULD BE HAPPY TO SIT DOWN WITH YOU, BUT IN INITIAL ANALYSIS OVER 10 YEARS OUR BUDGET HAS GONE UP RIGHT AT 1% SO RELATIVELY FLAT WHERE OUR JUSTICE PARTNERS THAT ARE STATE ATTORNEYS AND YOUR PUBLIC DEFENDERS AND JUDICIARY HAVE GONE UPWARDS BETWEEN 30 AND 40%. WE ARE REALLY STARTING TO FEEL IT. MY BUDGET COURTSIDE IS 95% PERSONNEL. IT IS PEOPLE. IT IS PEOPLE HELPING PEOPLE. I WOULD JUST LIKE TO -- I JUST WANT TO PUT THAT OUT THERE AND ASK FOR YOUR SUPPORT IN HELPING GET THESE BILLED -- BILLS PASSED THESE YEAR -- THIS YEAR. >> THANK YOU. [APPROVAL OF MINUTES] >> APPROVAL OF MINUTES. WE HAVE THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS WORKSHOP MINUTES FROM FEBRUARY 7TH 2023 ON THE CLAY COUNTY LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. WE ALSO HAVE THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONER MEETING MINUTES FROM FEBRUARY 14TH, 2023. >> I'LL MOVE APPROVAL OF THE WORKSHOP MINUTES FROM 7 FEBRUARY FOR LDC CODES AND THE COUNTY COMMISSIONER MEETING OF FEBRUAR. >> SECOND. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR INDICATE BY SAYING I. >> I. >> THOSE OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES 5-0. [PUBLIC COMMENTS] NOW WE ARE UP FOR A FIRST PUBLIC COMMENT. I HAVE QUITE A THICK STACK OF PUBLIC COMMENT AND I WILL TAKE YOU IN THE ORDER IT WAS PLACED IN FRONT OF ME. JONES STARS AND BEHIND JONES STARNES IS KENNY RIDWONSKI. I WOULD LIKE TO REMIND THE PUBLIC THAT WE, THE BOARD, RESERVE THE RIGHT TO MAINTAIN ORDERLY CONDUCT AND PROPER DECORUM IN THE BOARDROOM DURING A MEETING. THE THINGS WE USUALLY EXPECT ARE USUALLY UP ON THE SCREENS. ANYWAY, WE JUST ASK FOR PROPER PUBLIC DECORUM. MS. STARNES? YOU WILL HAVE THREE MINUTES. IF THE NEXT PERSON COULD BE READY TO GO. >> MY NAME IS JOAN STARNES AND I AM A CRITICAL CARE NURSE FOR 45 [00:35:04] YEARS, AND I ALSO WORKED WITH V.A. DISABILITY WITH AGENT ORANGE. I AM HERE TODAY ON THE SOLIGH ISSUE. THEY HAVE IDENTIFIED TOXIC CHEMICALS, ARREST -- ARSENIC, LEAD, DIOXINE AND IF YOU ARE FAMILIAR WITH AGENT ORANGE THESE ARE NOT NEW ISSUES AND CYANIDE. ALL HAVE MAJOR HEALTH ISSUES. REMEMBER FLINT, MICHIGAN? THAT DISASTER, WE DON'T WANT TO REPEAT THAT. AND THE PEOPLE THAT MADE THE DECISIONS ARE NOW COMING INTO THE CROSSHAIRS OF THE DECISION. APPARENTLY DECISIONS HAVE BEEN MADE AS FAR AS THE SALE OF THE PROPERTY BASED ON TESTING OF SOIL AND WATER. AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED THOSE ARE FRAUDULENT OR MISREPRESENTED BECAUSE IT WAS THE COMPANY THEMSELVES THAT MADE THE DECISION AS TO WHERE TO TEST THE SOIL OR THE WATER, AND I DON'T KNOW ABOUT YOU, BUT IF I'M INVOLVED WITH SOMETHING I WILL TELL YOU TO GO TO MY CLEAN CLOSET RATHER THAN I -- THAN MY DIRTY CLOSET. THE PROPERTY IS GOING TO BE SOLD AND THERE IS 600-ACRES THEY ARE SAYING IS CLEAN. AS A NURSE WHO IS CONCERNED ABOUT HEALTH ISSUES, ALL WE ARE ASKING FOR IS THAT WE HAVE SOME TIME, A MORE FOR -- A MORATORIUM OR A HOLD UNTIL WE CAN GET AN INDEPENDENT COMPANY THAT CAN GO IN THERE AND TEST ALL OF THE SOILS SO THAT IN THE MEDICAL FIELD OR THE COMMUNITY, WE KNOW THAT PROPERTY IS SAFE TO HAVE NEW HOUSES YOU KNOW -- NEW HOUSES. YOU KNOW, THERE ARE LAWSUITS WITH THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF AGENCIES IN TAMPA AND THE WATER HAS SEEPED INTO THE GROUND WATER AND INTO TAMPA BAY. AND THEN THE DPA STARTED SUING THE OWNERS OF THE PROPERTY. WE HAVE NORTH CAROLINA. WE HAVE LAW JUNE, CAMP LEJEUNE, AND NOW THERE ARE LAWSUITS. I AM ASKING FOR HELP TO KEEP US SAFE, EVERYONE. THE WATER GOES INTO BLACK CREEK WHICH FLOWS INTO SAINT JOHN'S. THERE ARE DOWN SOUTH COMMUNITIES THAT ARE WANTING OUR WATER. IT IS NOT JUST OUR COMMUNITY. IT IS FLORIDA THAT IS CONNECTED. WE ASK FOR BETTER TESTING BEFORE THEY MOVE A TREE. >> THANK YOU. MR. RIDWANSKI AND NEXT UP IS HERALD BURKE. >> THANK YOU. 261AZELIA LANE. A VERY LONG-TIME RESIDENT AND VERY PROUD TO LIVE IN CLAY COUNTY. THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN, FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK. AS YOU ALL KNOW I AM RUNNING FOR TOWN COUNCIL SEAT 1, BUT I AM NOT HERE ABOUT THAT. I AM HERE TO SPEAK ON ITEM 24, PUBLIC HEARING ON ORANGE PARK TOWNS AMBULANCE PERMITTING ANNUAL FEE. CLAY COUNTY IS GOING -- GROWING DAILY. THE TOWN OF ORANGE PARK IS JUST A SMALL PORTION OF CLAY COUNTY AND APPROXIMATELY 9,866 RESIDENTS AS OF THE 2010 CENSUS. THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS, DOES GREEN CO SPRINGS MIDDLEBURG AND KEYSTONE HEIGHTS CONTRIBUTE TO THE YEARLY COSTS OF EMERGENCY SERVICES. LET ME EXPLAIN. IT IS NOT A MATTER OF COST. IT IS A MATTER OF EQUITY. THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING MYSELF TO SPEAK. MY PASSION, AS IN ALL OF YOURS, AND IN THE AUDIENCE, IS IN THIS COUNTY. [INAUDIBLE] IS ALSO WHERE I RESIDE. GOD BLESS US ALL AND PLEASE SUPPORT OUR MILITARY VETERANS IN EVERY WAY. YES, I AM A PROUD AIR FORCE VETERAN, AND FOR THOSE THAT ARE IN THE AUDIENCE IN FRONT AND IN ZOOM, I SUPPORT YOU ALL. GOD BLESS AMERICA. >> THANK YOU. AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE. I OLDER BURKE AND APP HERALD BURKE IS JESSICA. >> I LIVE -- OUR FAMILY, [00:40:08] COMMISSIONER BURKE AND I, LIVE ON ONE OF THESE SOLITE LAKES. IT WAS ONE OF THE FIRST ONES DUG. WE HAVE A 17-YEAR-OLD DAUGHTER AND HERE IS HER STORY. SHE WASN'T ABLE TO BE HERE TODAY. SHE IS PLAYING FLAG FOOTBALL FOR CLAY HIGH. I I HAVE LIVED IN MY HOUSE ON THIS LAKE EVER SINCE I CAN REMEMBER. A FEW MONTHS OLD. MY BROTHER AND SISTERS SPENT MOST OF OUR SUMMERS AS FAR AS I CAN REMEMBER AND AFTER SCHOOL SWIMMING IN A HUGE POND BEHIND OUR HOUSE AND SOMETIMES EVEN IN THE WINTER WE WOULD HAVE TONS OF FRIENDS OVER AND PLAY IN THE POND WE ENJOYED BEING OUTSIDE AND WERE HEALTHY AND ACTIVE. I STARTED PLAYING SPORTS AT A VERY YOUNG AGE. I NEVER HAD ANY PROBLEMS ON MAKING THE TEAMS OR BEING ABLE TO PLAY WHAT I WANTED TO PLAY. UP UNTIL 2018 NEAR THE END OF THE FIRST YEAR OF VOLLEYBALL SEASON IN 2018, I STARTED GETTING LEG PAINS AND LOWER BACK PAINS. THEY SEPTEMBER OF -- THEY SENT ME TO PHYSICAL THERAPY, BUT THE PAIN CONTINUED AND THEY NOTICED AFTER A FEW MONTHS, THEY SENT ME TO REHAB. THE MOBILITY OF MY LEG WAS GETTING WORSE. THEN I WENT TO A SPORTS PHYSICIAN AND HE SAID I HAD A MINOR HIP FLEXOR STRAIN. I WENT BACK TO PLAYING VOLLEYBALL AND THE SAME PAIN CAME BACK. THE PAIN THAT I EXPERIENCED WAS BAD. IT LIMITED THE EVERYDAY ACTIVITIES LIKE RUNNING, WALKING AND EVEN JUST SITTING IN CLASS AFTER GOING -- I'M NOT -- GONNA MAKE THE WHOLE STORY SHE HAS, BUT SHE WAS 13 YEARS OLD. SHE SWAM IN THAT LAKE. WE DON'T KNOW HOW SHE GOT THE DISEASE, BUT SHE HAD SLIP CAPITAL FEMUR EPHASIS. THAT MEANS SHE HAD SOMETHING THAT WAS EATING AWAY AT HER HIP. WE HAVE NO IDEA WHERE IT CAME FROM, BUT THIS IS SOME OF THE STUFF THAT WE HAVE BEEN FINDING OUT IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. PEOPLE HAVE GOTTEN SICK. THEY HAVE NO IDEA WHERE IT CAME FROM. SHE WAS 14 YEARS OLD. SHE HAD A TOTAL HIP REPLACEMENT. THE TOTAL HIP REPLACEMENT, THE DOCTOR THAT DID THAT SAID THAT SHE HAD THE HIP OF AN 80-YEAR-OLD. LUCKILY WE FOUND HIM BECAUSE NO OTHER DOCTOR WOULD TOUCH HER. WE WANT TO JACKSONVILLE, GAINESVILLE, EVERYBODY. SHE IS NOW A LOCATION STUDY -- NOW A CASE STUDY FOR MAYO IN JACKSONVILLE AND NEW YORK. THEY STILL DON'T KNOW HOW SHE GOT THIS. BUT SOME OF THE DISEASES LIKE THIS ARE FROM, AND WE HAVE NO IDEA. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> JESSICA LAD, AND AFTER MS. LAD IS CHAD WEEKS. >> HELLO, JESSICA, LAD. MY ADDRESS IS ON FILE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR WILLINGNESS TO ADDRESS WHAT I HOPE TO BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SEND A VERY CLEAR AND UNIFIED MESSAGE TO SOLITE THAT CLAY COUNTY HOLDS YOU ACCOUNTABLE AND WILL NOT ALLOW YOU TO SETTLE FOR HALF MEASURES. TO DATE, NO FORMAL COMPREHENSIVE REMEDIATION EFFORT HAS BEEN CONDUCTED BY SOLITE. THEY HAVE A SERIES OF END AROUNDS AND STRATEGIES. NAME CHANGES AND SELLING OFF PORTIONS OF THE PROPERTY AND STRATEGICALLY TESTING AREAS THEY KNOW ARE CLEAN AIMED AT SHIRKING RESPONSIBILITY AND PROFITING FROM THIS ENDEAVOR. THIS SITE WAS LISTED ON THE EPA'S 2016 SUPER FUND SITE ID0400516 TEMPORARILY. WHILE THE RESOURCE CONSERVATION RECOVERY ACT RCRA MAY HAVE CALLED THEM A RESPONSIBLE PARTY THEY ARE NOT ACTING LIKE A RESPONSIBLE PARTY AND NEGATING THE ATTEMPT TO ADD THEM TO THE LIST. THEY SEEM TO THINK WAITING OUT A COMMUNITY UNTIL THOSE AFFECTED OR THOSE INTIMATELY FAMILIAR WITH THE ISSUES MOVE AWAY OR UNFOR THE TPHAE -- UNFORTUNATELY DIE OFF SHOULD NOT BE TOLERATED. SOLITE SHOULD NOT MAKE A DIME. IF THEY ALLOW SOLITE TO TRANSFER TO STONE RIDGE FARMS AND STONE RIDGE DOESN'T HAVE THE MONEY TO CONDUCT CLEAN UP IT SEEMS FDEP SOEPBS -- OWNS THE BILL. IF THEY SEEK MONEY TO ADDRESS THIS IT SHOULD APPEAR ON THE SUPER FUND SITE LIST. AS A MOTHER OF FOUR CHILDREN IT IS A SIMPLE ISSUE FOR ME. COMPLIANCE. IF MY CHILD'S ROOM IS A MESS AND [00:45:01] I ASK THEM TO CLEAN UP THE MESS BEFORE THEY GO OUTSIDE, I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT THEY DON'T ADOPT A NEW NAME AND CLAIM IT IS NOT THEIR ROOM ANYMORE SO THEY SHOULDN'T HAVE TO CLEAN IT UP OR THEY DON'T SHOW ME AREAS OF THE FLOOR THAT DON'T HAVE LAUNDRY ON THEM AND CLAIMING PARTS OF THE ROOM ARE CLEAN SO NOW THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO GO OUTSIDE AND PLAY. THEY DON'T TRY TO WAIT ME HOPING I WILL ALLOW MY STANDARD TO FALL OFF AS TIME PASSES. THEY CLEAN THEIR ROOM. I AM CONFIDENT THAT YOU AS A GOVERNING BODY SEE THIS ISSUE FOR THE TROJAN HORSE IT IS. CLEARLY PAINTED IN NEON YELLLY AND HAS HAZMAT STICKERS AND FILLED WITH ARSENIC AND DIOXINE. TOXIC CONTAMINATION WITH HALF LIVES. CANCERS LIKE LEUKEMIA AND LYMPHOMA AND BRAIN CANCERS ARE A FEW. THEY TARGET THE MOST VULNERABLE, CHILDREN, ELDERLY, PREGNANT WOMEN. I CAN TELL YOU FROM FIRSTHAND EXPERIENCE WATCHING YOUR CHILD FIGHT CANCER IS SOMETHING I WISH ON NO ONE. HOLDING YOUR CHILD'S HAND WHILE POISON IS PUMPED THROUGH THEIR VEINS TO SAVE THEIR LIFE IS AN EXPERIENCE LIKE NO OTHER AND I DID THAT FOR TWO YEARS. DON'T CONDEMN OUR CURRENT AND FUTURE RESIDENTS TO THIS FEE. I URGE THIS BOARD TO SEND YET ANOTHER CLEAR MESSAGE AND HOLD SOLITE, STONE RIDGE FARMS, WHATEVER NAME THEY ARE GOING BY TODAY FOR THE MESS THEY MADE. WE WANT PROPER TESTING BY AN UNBIASED PARTY BEFORE THIS PROPERTY IS SOLD OR DEVELOPED. PLEASE HELP US ENSURE THAT HAPPENS. THANK YOU. >> CHAD WEEKS AND AFTER MR. WEEK S IS BLAKE GLISEN. >> MY NAME IS CHAD WEEKS. I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THE SOLITE ISSUE. I AM A LIFE-LONG CITIZEN OF CLAY COUNTY. SPECIFICALLY TO THE LAKE ASBURY AREA, NOT FAR FROM WHERE SOLITE IS. I GREW UP HEARING THE URBAN LEGENDS ABOUT TWO-HEADED BASS FISH THAT FRIENDS WOULD CATCH THERE AND ALL KINDS OF CRAZY STUFF. AS I BECAME AN ADULT AND A FATHER, THE MORE I LEARNED ABOUT WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED IS EVEN MORE DISTURBING. MANY PEOPLE CLAIM THEY CARE BY THE ENVIRONMENT AND BUY TESLAS AND BUY SOLAR PANELS AND VOTE ON GREEN ENERGY DEALS, BUT WON'T CARE ABOUT THE THINGS HAPPENING UNDER THEIR NOSE. THAT'S ONE OF THE ISSUES WE HAVE WITH SOLITE. IT IS RIGHT HERE IN OUR COUNTY. WE WUFP -- WE WATCHED ON THE NEWS RECENTLY STRINGS OF ECOLOGICAL DISASTERS OVER THE LAST MONTH. WE HAVE OUR OWN ECOLOGICAL DISASTER HERE AND IT HAS LITERALLY BEEN COVERED UP. LIKE SHE MENTIONED, BUT THEY COVERED TOXIC WASTE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT TO AVOID GOVERNMENT INTERVENTION. IT IS CLEAR TO US THAT THE DEP AND THE EPA ARE NOT OUR FRIENDS. THEY ARE NOT LOOKING OUT FOR OUR BEST INTEREST. THEY ARE NOT DOING IT IN OHIO AND ANYWHERE IN THE UNITED STATES. IS ANYBODY SURPRISED BY THAT? THESE GOVERNMENT INSTITUTIONS WE CAN'T COUNT ON THEM. I BELIEVE WE CAN COUNT ON OUR LOCAL OFFICIALS. I BELIEVE WE CAN DO THAT. OUR LOCAL GOVERNMENT IS WHERE THE POWER LIES. I THINK WE LEARNED THAT OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS THAT STATE AND LOCAL GOVERNMENT IS MORE IMPORTANT NOW THAN EVER AND WE LOOK TO YOU AS THE COMMISSION TO ENSURE THAT SOLITE WILL BEHELD ACCOUNTABLE. IN 2018 WE THOUGHT THAT THIS WAS RESOLVED. BUT IT SEEMS LIKE THERE IS A COMMA WHEN IT NEEDS TO BE A PERIOD. WE NEED CLOSURE AND WE NEED A RESOLUTION. IF IT WASN'T FOR THE VIGILANCE OF COMMISSIONER BURKE, WE MAY NOT EVEN HAVE KNOWN ABOUT THIS SALE SO I COMMEND HER EFFORTS THERE. I URGE THE COMMISSION PLEASE IMMEDIATELY BRING A HALT TO THIS SALE AND TO -- THESE PEOPLE ARE NOT TRUSTWORTHY. THEY WILL NOT HOLDUP TO ANYTHING THEY PROMISE TO DO AND AT THIS POINT WE ARE PAST NEGOTIATIONS WITH THIS ORGANIZATION. THEY HAVE PROVEN THEMSELVES TO BE DISTRUSTFUL. I BELIEVE NOW WE NEED TO LOOK FOR A WAY TO CONDEMN THIS LAND AND LEAVE IT FALLOW AND LET NATURE BE THE TOMB FOR THESE TOXINS AND THESE CHEMICALS TO NOT BE DISTURBED AND NOT WREAK HAVOC ON THOUSANDS OF MORE PEOPLE THAT WOULD MOVE INTO THESE HOMES. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> BLAKE GLISEN AND BEHIND HER IS RANDY GILL SYPHILIS -- RANDY [00:50:06] GILLIS. >> GOOD AFTERNOON. 1087 SPRING STREET. THE FIRST THING I WANT TO DO IS THANK ALL OF YOU AND ALL OF THE EMPLOYEES OF THE COUNTY FOR ALL THEY DO FOR US. MY DADDY WORKED FOR SOLITE FROM THE END OF THE 60S UNTIL THE EARLY 80S. THEY HAD TO TAKE OFF HIS TOP LIP AND BOTTOM LIP BECAUSE OF CANCER. THEN IN THE EARLY 70S, HE GOT THROAT CANCER. I CAN REMEMBER HIM LAYING IN THE BED AT THE HOSPITAL AND THEY SLIT HIS THROAT FROM ONE SIDE TO THE OTHER. THAT'S ONE OF THE ONLY TIMES IN 80 YEARS I SAW HIM SHED A TEAR. HE LOST HALF OF HIS VOICE BOX. HE HAD REAL RASPY, RASPY VOICE. IT WAS HARD FOR HIM TO SPEAK. AND THEN IN THE 80S THEY HAD TO TAKE OUT PART OF HIS LUNG BECAUSE OF A DISEASED LUNG. LET ME TELL YOU JUST HOW MUCH SOLITE APPRECIATED THEIR EMPLOYEES. WHEN THEY RETIRED, THEY GOT A DOLLAR PER YEAR. SO IF YOU WORKED 20 YEARS, YOU GOT $20. THEY SENT YOU $20 A MONTH FOR ALL OF YOUR SERVICES AND ALL THAT YOU WORKED. YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW EVERYTHING, BUT I KNOW WHAT MY DADDY HAD TO GO THROUGH. ANYWAY YOU CAN HELP THE CITIZENS OF OUR COUNTY, IT WOULD BE GREATLY APPRECIATED. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. RANDY GILLIS AND AFTER HIM IS CHERYL TENDLE. >> MAY NAME IS RANDY GILLIS ANDIVE LIVE NEAR THE SOLITE FACILITY. I WANT TO AT LEAST BRING A COUPLE OF YOU UP TO CURRENT TENSE. THERE ARE SEVERAL OF MY FRIENDS OUT HERE IN THE AUDIENCE AND I HAVE PARTICIPATED PRIOR TO TODAY IN AN ENGAGEMENT AGAINST THE DENHOWER GROUP AND STONE RIDGE FARMS AND THEIR HIRED ASSASSIN WHO USED TO RUN OUR INTERNAL DEPARTMENTS, ZONING. EVERY TIME WE ENGAGED THESE PEOPLE THEY RETURNED TO US SMARTER. EVERY TIME. THEY CHANGED THEIR STORY ALT BIT. STORY A LITTLE BIT. WHEN THEY KNEW YOU WERE GOING TO DENY THEM OR THE PLANNING COMMISSION WOULD DENY THEM THEY ASKED FOR A POSTPONE MEANT AND SO THEY CAN CHANGE THE STORY. THEY TALKED TO US SO THEY CAN LEARN FROM US. BUT THEY NEVER DID WHAT THE FOLKS HERE ARE ASKING. THE FACT THAT IT IS NOT POLLUTED LIKE IT SAID IT WAS. EVERY TIME THEY LEARNED WE LEFT THIS BUILDING IF ROUGHLY 2019 AND NOW PROBABLY THE LAST TIME A COUPLE OF US WERE HERE SPEAKING AND THESE FOLKS DECIDED TO TAKE A DIFFERENT TACT TO GET WHAT THEY WANTED. WHY THE DEP DIDN'T ALERT YOU OR ANY OF US IS ANOTHER MYSTERY THAT SHOULD BE SOME ACCOUNTABILITY. THERE IS NO ACCOUNTABILITY AT THE MOMENT. THEY HAVE USED LEGAL CHANNELS NOW TO WORK WITHIN THE LAW. AND THEY ARE USING THEIR ATTORNEY FIRM TO ENCOURAGE THE DEP TO CLOSE THIS OUT. IT IS THE SAME WAY SOLITE USED LLC'S TO HAND IT OFF TO STONE RIDGE FARMS AND REMOVED THE LIABILITY AND THE FINANCIAL -- OR THE LIABILITY FROM THEMSELVES [00:55:01] AND NOW WE CAN SEE THE DENAUR GROUP. THIS LLC WILL OWN THE GOOD LAND AND THIS LLC WILL OWN THE BAD LAND. WHAT I WANT TO SAY IN CLOSING IS TWO MORE THINGS. EVERY KW*UPB OF -- EVERY ONE OF YOU NEEDS TO TALK TO THE DEP. THEY NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS A SERIOUS MATTER. IT IS NOT UP TO THEIR PENCIL-WHIPPING, THIRD-GENERATION BUNCH OF FOLKS WHO NEVER KNEW ANYTHING ABOUT THIS WHO READ SCIENTIFIC REPORTS AND THINK THEY ARE DONE. IT SHOULDN'T BE LEFT TO THEM. ALL OF YOU NEED TO SHOW UP FOR THE DISCUSSION AND LISTEN TO WHAT THESE PEOPLE ARE TELLING YOU TODAY. LAST THING I'M GONNA SAY IS WE THOUGHT THE CONSENT ORDER WAS FOR THE ENTIRE PROPERTY. APPARENTLY IT IS NOT. THEY CAN CHANGE IT WHEN THEY WANT TO. WE THOUGHT THE DENSITY BONUS THAT WAS ALLOWED THROUGH THE MASTER PLAN WAS ALSO FOR THE ENTIRE PROPERTY. WE NEED TO DEVELOP A PLAN THAT IS MORE PROACTIVE RATHER THAN STANDING AND THEN COMING BACK AFTER THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE PROPERTY. WE NEED TO DISINCENT. WE NEED TO MOVE QUICKLY BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF TIME RIGHT NOW. THERE IS NOT A LOT OF TIME. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, MR. GILLIS. CHERYL TINDLE AND THEN AFTER MS. >> I'M CHALLENGED VERTICALLY. MY NAME IS CHERYL TINDLE. I LIVE ON MOHAMA BLUFF WHICH FOR A POINT OF REFERENCE IS WHERE 209 COMES OUT BY 217 BEHIND THE RACETRACK AND THE LIQUOR STORE TO MY SADNESS. I COULD WALK THERE. IN ALL SERIOUSNESS I AM HERE ABOUT THE SOLITE PROPERTY. THERE IS A LOT OF BACK HISTORY I AM NOT FAMILIAR WITH, BUT WHAT I DO KNOW IS I AM IN THE CROSSHAIRS OF THE PROPERTIES IF TOXINS LEAK INTO BLACK CREEK AND PHRUT NOT ONLY THE CREEK, BUT THE SHORES, AND HEAD DOWN TO THE MARINA. IF YOU WERE TO GO INTO CLINT AND MEDIA THIS PROPERTY AND THROW THESE TOXINS INTO THE AIR, I'M RIGHT THERE IN THE WIND. I MEAN, I'M IN MY 60S, AND I WANT TO LIVELONGER AND I DON'T WANT TO SUFFER OR MY FAMILY OR FRIENDS OR ANYBODY HERE FROM WHAT COULD POSSIBLY BE ANY RESIDUAL EFFECTS FROM THE LEACH OR THE TOXINS, THE CHEMICALS AND THE POLLUTANTS IN THE AIR. I'M ASKING YOU -- YOU WERE ALL VOTED ON BY EVERYONE IN THIS AUDIENCE AND IN THIS COUNTY TO TAKE CARE OF US AND OUR CHILDREN AND THE COUNTY. YOU HAVE THE VOICE TO SAY NO. YOU HAVE THE POWER TO SAY NO. MAKE THEM ANALYZE THAT PROPERTY FROM ONE END TO THE OTHER. PROVE TO ME THAT IT IS SAFE. IF THAT'S SO, FINE, DEVELOP IT. BUT YOU CAN STOP THAT SALE. THEY WEREN'T SUPPOSED TO DO THAT ANYWAY. IF IT WERE ME SELLING THE PROPERTY YOU WOULD HOLD MY FEET TO THE FIRE. IT IS ONLY FAIR YOU HOLD THEIR FEET TO THE FIRE. ALL OF YOU ARE HERE FOR THE RIGHT REASON AND EVERYBODY WANTS YOU TO DO THE RIGHT THING. PLEASE I IMPLORE THAT YOU DO THE RIGHT THING AND VOTE NO. DO SOMETHING TO PROTECT THE COUNTY AND PREVENT THAT PROPERTY FROM BEING SOLD IN THE CURRENT CONDITION. THANKS. >> THANK YOU. MATT HANSENACK AND AFTER HIM IS HEIDI HANSENACK. >> HI. MATT HANSENACK, 1749 OAK GROVE DRIVE AND I AM DOWN THE STREET FROM SOLITE PROPERTY. THE FORMER EPA SUPER FUND SITE IS ONCE AGAIN ON OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE COUNTY'S RADAR. THEY HAVE NEVER BEEN ON OUR RADAR FOR DOING THE RIGHT THING OR ANYTHING RIGHT SINCE THEY WALKED AWAY FROM THE PROPERTY IN 1999 LEAVING THE CONTAMINATION THEY CAUSED. NOW AGAIN THEY ARE WORKING ANOTHER SHADY DEAL BEHIND CLOSED DOORS WITH FLORIDA DEP TO DODGE RESPONSIBILITIES. DEP IS SUPPOSED TO PROTECT THE CITIZENS OF OUR STATE. IT IS CLEAR THEY AREN'T PROTECTING US AND OUR COUNTY. YOU AS COMMISSIONERS ARE ALSO RESPONSIBLE FOR PROTECTING THE CITIZENS OF THE COUNTY. MY QUESTION IS THIS, ARE YOU GOING TO PROTECT US AND HOLD SOLITE STONE RIDGE FARMS ACCOUNTABLE? FOR 28 YEARS COMMISSION -- COMMISSIONERS HAVE BEEN KICKING THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD. THE BUCK NEEDS TO STOP HERE. I WANT TO YOU TO DOING -- TO DO SOMETHING. IF THE COUNTY NEEDS TO HIRE LEGAL COUNSEL I WANT TO YOU DO IT. THE SALE OF THIS PROPERTY WITHOUT IT BEING PROPERLY CLEANED UP MUST BE STOPPED. [01:00:01] THE SOLD PROPERTY WILL HAVE TWO PARCEL, ONE OF 600-ACRES OF SUPPOSEDLY CLEAN LAND AND A PARCEL OF ABOUT 200-ACRES OF CONTAMINATED LAND WHICH THEY WILL FENCE OFF. EACH OF THE PARCELS WILL BE OWNED BY TWO SEPARATELY FORMED LLC'S. STONE RIDGE FARMS WILL PLACE $2 MILLION OF THE PROCEEDS OF THE SALE INTO A FUND TO BE USED FOR ITS CLEAN UP. THERE IS A NOTE THAT THE $2 MILLION FIGURE WAS AN ESTIMATE TO PRIOR TO 2006. WE HAVE TO REALIZE THAT THAT FIGURE IS MOST LIKELY EXTREMELY LOW IN 2023 INFLATION. FOR THOSE WHO THINK HAVING TO HIRE A LAW FIRM IS TOO EXPENSIVE OR FRIVOLOUS, PEOPLE' SAFETY IS NOT FRIVOLOUS. THINK OF THE SCENARIO WHICH WAS SOLITE'S PAST PERFORMANCE. I THINK THIS IS WHAT IS POSSIBLY GOING TO HAPPEN. STONE RIDGE FARMS WILL MAKE A HUGE PROFIT OFF THE SALE OF THE LAND AND BE RELEASED OF ANY LIABILITY OF ITS CLEAN UP. THE DEVELOPER UNDER ONE OF THE NEWLY FORMED LLC'S WILL BUILD A SUBDIVISION NEXT TO THE 200-ACRES OF CONTAMINATED LAND BEFORE IT IS EVER CLEANED UP. THE NEW HOMEOWNERS WILL HAVE NO IDEA WHAT IS LITERALLY RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO THEM. THEIR KIDS WILL PROBABLY MOST LIKELY SEE THE FENCE AND IT WILL BE A GREAT PLACE FOR THEM TO SNEAK OUT AND GO PLAY IN THE CONTAMINATED LAND. MEANWHILE, THE NEW LLC HOLDING THE DEED TO THE CONTAMINATED LAND WILL PROBABLY JUST QUIETLY QUIT PAYING PROPERTY TAXES AND DISSOLVE THE LLC AND LEAVE THE CONTAMINATED LAND TO THE COUNTY. AND IN THAT CASE THE COUNTY WILL BE FULLY RESPONSIBLE FOR CLEANING IT UP ANYWAY. YOU NEED TO HIRE SOMEBODY NOW TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO STOP THIS. OR WE ARE GONNA BE LIABLE ANYWAY. REMEMBER THAT $2 MILLION BEING HELD FOR CLEAN UP IS GOING TO THE STATE. IT IS NOT COMING HERE TO HELP US. TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE. I NEED YOU TO TAKE ACTION RIGHT NOW. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. HEIDI HANSCONNECT AND AFTER HER IS MICHAEL -- MY ZALIN NCA. >> HELLO MY NAME IS HEIDI HANSCONNECT. OAK GROVE DRIVE SOUTH. WHAT I WANT TO TALK ABOUT AS EVERYBODY ELSE IS SOLITE. THE FACT THAT SOLITE HAS COME INTO OUR COUNTY AND JUST ABSOLUTELY DESTROYED US AS FAR AS IT HAS CHANGED OR ALTERED THE APPEARANCE OF A NATURAL RESOURCE. IT HAS DONE IT IN OUR COUNTY AND NORTH CAROLINA AND VIRGINIA AND NEW YORK AND IT WALKED AWAY SCOTT KNEE EVERY TIME -- SCOTT FREE EVERY TIME. HOW IS THAT HAPPENING? HOW IS IT THEY FELL OFF THE SAOUFP -- THE SUPER FUND SITE? HOW IS IT THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION IS ABOUT TO ALLOW THEM TO DO THAT AGAIN? WE ARE DAYS AWAY FROM THEM WALKING AWAY FROM THIS AND GAINING MONEY? WHERE IS ERIN BROKOVICH WHEN YOU NEED HER? AS MR. GILLIS SAID, THEY HAVE GOTTEN VERY, VERY SMART. THEY ARGUE TERMS LIKE ACTION. THEY ARGUE TERMS LIKE MAINTENANCE. THEY PROGRESS ON TERMS LIKE GRANDFATHER AND EXEMPT. I AM ASKING YOUR COMMISSIONERS DO YOUR DILIGENCE, DO WHAT WE ELECTED YOU TO DO AND PROTECT US. FIND OUT. THROW THE FLAG AND CALL A TIME-OUT ON THIS TRANSACTION THAT IS GONNA HAPPEN DAYS FROM NOW. JUST INVESTIGATE IT. JUST FIND OUT HOW DIRTY THIS PLACE IS AND JUST PROTECT US. THAT'S ALL I'M ASKING. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> MICHAEL ZALINKA AND AFTER HIM IS 11 -- LEN BUR MAN. >> I AM A FORMER EMPLOYEE OF FLORIDA SOLITE. WHAT THE YOUNG LADY OVER HERE JUST READ ABOUT SOME OF THE CHEMICALS IS THE TIP OF THE ICEBERG. YOU ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT -- I HAVEN'T HEARD AIRLINE FUEL, TRANSMISSION FLUID, BRAKE FLUID OR FLUID COMING FROM HOSPITALS, BUT THAT'S WHAT WAS DONE. IF ANY OF YOU THINK ONLY 200-ACRES OF THE PROPERTY IS BAD, THEN YOU ARE SADLY MISTAKEN. WHEN IT RAINED OUT THERE DURING A HURRICANE WHEN I WORKED THERE ALL OF THE GROUND GOT FLOODED. THERE IS AN ACID POBD -- POND OR A WASH POND OUT THERE, EVERYBODY CALLED IT AN ACID POND WHICH IS WHAT IT WAS. WHEN THE RAIN BUILT UP SO HIGH, THE CREEK OVERFLOWED. THE WATER GOT IN THERE AND IT GOT ALL INTO THE GROUNDS. I GREW UP AT RUSSELL BAPTIST CHURCH. I REMEMBER WHEN THE WATER WOULD COME UP TO THE CHURCH AND DITCHES. [01:05:06] YOU NEED TO HAVE SOMEBODY INSPECT AND TEST NOT JUST 200-ACRES, BUT THE WHOLE PROPERTY. THEY WERE DUMPING JUST ABOUT EVERYWHERE THEY COULD. ANYWHERE YOU CAN SEE A LINE OF TREES, I WOULD TEST IT. ALL OF THE PONDS, NOT JUST THE ONE BY THE OLD PLANT AND NOT THE OTHER ONE NEAR THE PLANT, BUT ALL EIGHT NEED TO BE TESTED AND INSPECTED. SOMEBODY NEEDS TO LOOK IN THERE AND SEE IF THEY CAN FIND ANY KIND OF OLD EQUIPMENT, BARRELS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. RUSSELL ROAD, THERE IS A PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT IS OFF TO THE SIDE ON THE LEFT HAPPENED -- THE LEFT HAND SIDE THEY WOULD COME OUT THE NORTH GATE AND THEY WOULD GO DOWN GO INTO THE WOODS AND DUMP BARRELS IN THERE. THERE ARE HOUSES ALREADY BUILT ON THAT PROPERTY. I LIVE WITH HEART DISEASE BECAUSE OF THAT COMPANY. THERE IS -- THEIR SAFETY WAS SO BAD THAT THEY DID NOT CARE ABOUT ANY OF THE EMPLOYEES OR WHAT HAPPENED TO THEM ON THE JOB UNTIL AN ACCIDENT HAPPENED. THEY WERE SO QUICK TO CONDONE YOU AND PUT YOU DOWN, BUT SO SLOW AT TAKING CARE OF ANYTHING THAT NEEDED TO BE TAKEN CARE OF, INCLUDING THESE FINE PEOPLE THAT LIVED IN THE AREA FOR SO LONG. AND THEY KNEW BEYOND A SHADOW OF A DOUBT WHAT THEY WERE DOING WAS WRONG. I AM HERE TO TELL YOU WHAT THEY ARE DOING IS WRONG AND WAS WRONG. IF THEY THINK SELLING JUST A PORTION OF THAT LAND IS GOING TO BE SAFE, I DON'T THINK SO. ALL OF THAT PROPERTY NEEDS TO BE TESTED BEFORE Y'ALL SAY ANYTHING TO THEM. I'M SORRY. I WILL HAVE TO GO OVER A LITTLE FARTHER. IT'S INCREDIBLE HOW A COMPANY LIKE THAT CAN GO SO LONG SINCE THE 1950S UNTIL 1999 AND BURN CHEMICALS AND NOT TO FEEL AN OUNCE OF GUILT OR SHAME FOR WHAT THEY HAVE DONE TO THE AREA OF GRANCO SPRINGS AND LAKE ASBURY AND FURTHER NORTH. IT IS A SHAME. PLEASE, TEST EVERYTHING. DON'T QUESTION. JUST TEST. IT'S NOT GOOD. IT IS NOT GOOD AT ALL. >> THANK YOU. >> LEN BERMAN AND THEN AFTER M*S VALINDA. >> LYNN VERNON AND I LIVE ON FLEMING ISLAND. I AM NOT PART OF THE TRAGIC STORY THAT WE ARE LISTENING TO TODAY, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO THANK THE COMMISSIONERS FOR SOMETHING THAT HAPPENED SEVERAL YEARS AGO, AND THAT IS WHEN YOU PLACED THE MARY HELL -- MARY HELEN HOFF MEMORIAL IN THE PARK. MARY HELEN HOFF WAS A CITIZEN WHO LIVED IN ORANGE PARK AND WAS PART OF THE CREATION, THE IDEA BE -- BEHIND THE POW AND MIA FLAG WE ALL KNOW TODAY. WE HAVE A LOT TO BE PROUD OF THAT THAT PERSON LIVED IN OUR COMMUNITY. TODAY I AM ASKING THAT THE COMMISSION WOULD SINCERELY CONSIDER RENAMING THE MOODY PARK AVENUE -- THE MOODY AVENUE PARK TO THE POW/MIA MEMORIAL PARK. TO MY KNOWLEDGE THERE IS NO OTHER LOCATION, A PLACE TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE POW/MIA'S IN ALL OF CLAY COUNTY. THERE IS GOING TO BE AND IT IS UNDER PHASE 1 A POW/MIA MEMORIAL AND MUSEUM AT CECIL FIELD. IT IS GOING TO BE A NATIONAL MUSEUM. IT IS GOING TO BE AS MAGNIFICENT AS ANYTHING YOU WOULD SEE IN WASHINGTON, D.C. WE ARE CITIZENS OF CLAY COUNTY AND WE HAVE LOTS AND LOTS OF PRIDE IN OUR COUNTY AND I WOULD ASK THAT YOU CONSIDER RENAMING THIS PARK. IF YOU DECIDE THAT THIS IS A VIABLE THING I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A FLAGPOLE PLACED IN THE PARK WERE -- WITH THE AMERICAN FLAG AND THE POW FLAG FLOWN THERE AS WELL. I WILL ALSO SUGGEST THAT THEY PUT AN INFORMATIONAL BOARD THERE I WILL TRY TO SEEK SPONSORS FOR [01:10:05] THESE TWO ITEMS. I WANT TO SAY WHEN THE POW/MIA FLAG WAS CREATED, IT WAS CREATED WITH THE THOUGHT -- THEY HAD NO IDEA THEY WOULD MAKE THE IMPACT ON THE NATIONAL BASIS. MRS. HOFF HAS SONS THAT STILL LIVE IN LIEU VALUE COUNTY. IN DUVAL COUNTY. >> THANK YOU -- I'M SORRY. YOU ARE NOT OUT OF TIME. >> I PUT THIS IN YOUR HANDS AND APPRECIATE THE FACTS -- THE FACT THAT WE HAVE SUCH A WAY TO EDUCATE OUR CITIZENS. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> BELINDA ROWE AND AFTER MS. ROWE IS PATRICIA ROLOFF. >> HELLO. I AM BELINDA ROWE. BACK IN 1985 WE LIVED AT 2251 AND THEN AT 2240 NORTH FORK ROAD WHICH WAS RIGHT OFF OF MELOG CREEK AND WHERE -- JUST BEHIND THE SOLITE PLANT. WE LIVED THERE FROM 85 UNTIL 2019. THAT WAS MY HUSBAND AND MY DAUGHTER AND I. OUR DAUGHTER WAS BORN IN 1992. I DON'T KNOW A WHOLE LOT ABOUT THE EPA AND SO ON WITH THESE WONDERFUL PEOPLE WE ARE SHARING WITH YOU AND ALL OF THE YEARS OF LEGALITIES, BUT I DO WANT TO SHARE WITH YOU THAT MY DAUGHTER AND I HAVE AUTOIMMUNE DISORDERS. NORMALLY THIS AUTOIMMUNE DISORDER IS FOR WOMEN 40 AND OVER. MY DAUGHTER IN HER EARLY 20S WAS DIAGNOSED WITH SHAUVRIN SYNDROME. BY THE TIME SHE SHE WAS 25 SHE HAD TO HAVE SURGEON -- SURGERY WHERE THEY HAD TO CUT A FLAP OF HER FACE OPEN AND TAKE OUT HER KAU ROD -- COROTID GLAND. SHE KEPT GETTING SINUS INFECTIONS AND SINUS INFECTIONS. THAT WAS BECAUSE OF THE SYNDROME. HER BEING SUCH A YOUNG PERSON GETTING THIS, SHE NOW IS AT THE AGE OF 30 AND SHE IS SICK ALL THE TIME. SHE HAS SINUS INFECTIONS CONTINUOUSLY. SHE IS TIRED ALL THE TIME. SHE SEES AN IMMUNOLOGIST AND A RHEUMATOLOGIST AND AN ALLERGIST. THEY ARE BLOWN AWAY WITH ALL OF THE LAB WORK THAT THEY DO FOR HER. SHE IS WELL OVER 3,000. IS THIS FROM THE CHEMICALS FROM SOLITE? WE DON'T KNOW. AS OUR FAMILY TO YOU, WE ARE ASKING, WILL YOU PLEASE CHECK INTO THIS? PLEASE DO THE TESTING. DON'T ALLOW THIS PROPERTY TO BE SOLD. WE DID MOVE OUT OF THERE IN 19, BUT WE HAVE DEAR FRIENDS THAT LIVE IN THE -- THEY LIVE UP THE STREET OR OFF OAK DRIVE. WHICH EVER THAT IS, BUT OFF 290 AND FOLKS THAT LIVE OFF NORTH FORK ROAD OR ASBURY, DEAR FRIENDS OF OURS. PLEASE, GET THIS AREA TESTED. DON'T SELL IT. THERE ARE TOO MANY LIVES AT STAKE. AND WHO KNOWS HOW MANY LIVES HAVE BEEN LOST? PLEASE DON'T LET IT HAPPEN ANYMORE. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. PATRICIA ROLOFF. >> GOOD AFTERNOON. -- -- >> SPEAK RIGHT INTO THE MICROPHONE SO FOLKS AT HOME CAN HEAR YOU. >> I HAVE HEARING AIDES. AGAIN MY NAME IS PATRICIA ROLOFF AND LIVE ON OAK PARK CIRCLE, TKPWR-RBGS REENCO SPRINGS. MY FAMILY AND I MOVED INTO OUR HOME IN 1982. AT THAT TIME IT WAS MAINLY FOREST LAND AND FARMLAND. WE HAD NO IDEA OF WHAT WAS HAPPENING. OUR WORLD WAS BASICALLY MAINLY IN JACKSONVILLE. THAT'S MY HUSBAND'S JOB, MY JOB AND OUR GIRLS WENT TO SCHOOL BECAUSE THERE IS NO [01:15:02] TRANSPORTATION OTHERWISE. SOLITE WAS BUSY DAY AND NIGHT. I NEED TO STOP FOR A SECOND. IN THE LATE 80S, WE BEGAN TO REALIZE AT NIGHT BECAUSE IT WAS CLEAR, WE HAD SKIES. WE HAD NO LIGHTS WHATSOEVER AND THEN WE HAVE A BRIGHT RED FLASH. THE BRIGHT RED FLASH CAME FROM SOLITE. A GROUP OF US WHO LIVED IN THE COMMUNITY GOT TOGETHER AND FORMED A COMMITTEE TO PETITION THE BOARD TO CLOSE SOLITE. OUR LOCAL COMMISSIONER, WHICH IS DISTRICT 5, I CAN'T REMEMBER HIS NAME. HE WAS BEFORE HANDY THOUGH. AND HE LIVED IN A HOUSE ON THE CORNER OF SANDWICH AND 209. HE SAID WE COULD EACH SPEAK TO THE BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS. WHEN WE ARRIVED AT THE MEETING, THE COMMISSIONERS SAID, OH, THERE IS ONLY ONE GROUP OF YOU AND WE HAVE SOLITE. SO WE WILL HAVE THIS GROUP, YOU, HAVE ONE SPEAKER. WE SELECTED A PERSON TO APPROACH AND GAVE THEM -- GAVE THE MESSAGE. AND THEN -- EXCUSE ME. WHAT HAPPENED WAS THEN -- THE REPRESENTATIVE FROM SOLITE WHO HAPPENED TO BE A VERY FORMIDABLE LOCAL ATTORNEY GOT UP AND SPOKE TO THE GROUP. HE INFORMED THE GROUP THAT WE, THE PEOPLE FROM LIVING IN THAT AREA, WERE WEALTHY PEOPLE WHO WANTED TO DESTROY THE PEOPLE ARE WORKING FOR SOLITE, AND THAT WAS THE ONLY REASON WE WERE THERE. WE LOST. I GAVE UP ON FIGHTING THIS FOR A LONG, LONGTIME. I HAD AN INVESTIGATION AND I HAD ACQUIRED MATERIAL THAT SAID, AS THIS GENTLEMAN SAID, WHEN THE RAINS CAME, THE AREAS WOULD FLOOD. WATERS WOULD RISE AND IT WOULD GO OVER AND DOWN THE CREEK AND ON TO THE LAND AND INTO BLACK CREEK. I'M SORRY. THE ONLY REASON I AM BRINGING THIS UP IS IT IS A HISTORY OF SOLITE DEALING WITH [INAUDIBLE] AND CLAY COUNTY. HOW THEY MANIPULATE ALL OF THE PEOPLE AROUND THEM TO SUPPORT THEM. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> THANK YOU, MA'AM. I ALSO HAVE HUGH PEOPLES. IT SAYS SECOND PUBLIC COMMENT BUT WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK NOW OR WAIT. >> WAIT. >> WOULD ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK DURING THIS PUBLIC COMMENT THAT HASN'T FILLED OUT A CARD? >> THANK YOU. >> [4.  Board of County Commissioners Workshop Meeting Minutes, February 7, 2023. "Clay County Land Development Code"] AGENDA, SO IF YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO IT, YOU WOULD NEED TO SPEAK TO IT NOW. >> THANK YOU. I AM HELENA CROMIER. I LIVE ON WOOD BRIDGE CROSSING COURT. I SPOKE ABOUT THIS AT THE LAST MEETING AND THE ITEM WAS PULLED. WE'VE DONE A LITTLE BIT OF RESEARCH. THANK YOU AGAIN FOR EVERYTHING THAT Y'ALL ARE DOING TO TRY TO HELP US GET THIS FIGURED OUT. I DO APPRECIATE THE TIME THAT Y'ALL HAVE SPENT LISTENING TO ME AND HEARING ME AND JUST BEING ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD. BASICALLY WHAT I FOUND OUT TODAY IS THAT THE ENGINEER HAD SPOKE WITH THE COUNTY AND OUR COMMUNITY DID CONTRIBUTE TO THE CAPITAL FUND RESERVE AND THAT WAS PART OF THE REASON WHY THE DEVELOPER DOESN'T HAVE TO BE FINANCIALLY RESPONSIBLE TO DEVELOP THE ROADWAY WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THAT THE COUNTY IS SUPPOSED TO DEVELOP THIS ROADWAY. THE ATTORNEY AND A GROUP OF Y'ALL MET WITH KEITH HADENS. THANK YOU FOR THAT. AS Y'ALL LOOK AT OUR COMMUNITY AND THE DEVELOPER IS DEVELOPING NOT ONLY -- THIS SECTION HE SOLD TO THE DEVELOPER, THE DEVELOPER THAT OWNS THE ROADWAY IS SOMEHOW AFFILIATED WITH [INAUDIBLE] DEVELOPMENT DOING 139 HOMES. ALL OF THESE 386 HOMES ARE IN THE BACK HALF OF OUR COMMUNITY WHERE THEY WOULD HAVE ACCESS TO THE SECOND ENTRANCE. HAVING THAT SECOND ENTRANCE PRIORITY WOULD BE VERY IMPORTANT TO US. OF COURSE THE PEOPLE ALONG THE ROADWAY DO NOT WANT THE ROAD IN THE BACKYARD. IT IS THEIR BACKYARD. WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT THE MAJORITY OF THE COMMUNITY THAT HAS 760 HOMES AND WHEN YOU TAKE [01:20:05] OUR COMMUNITY AND DIVIDE IT IN HALF, PADDLE CREEK WOULD BE THE ROADWAY THAT WE WOULD BE -- EVERYTHING BELOW THAT IS WELL OVER MORE THAN HALF OUR COMMUNITY. IT'S A NIGHT -- A NIGHTMARE WHEN THEY HAVE THE ONE DRIVEWAY TO GO IN AND OUT OF. WE OBVIOUSLY KNOW THE RESPONSE TIME COULD BE LESS WHEN THEY ARE SERVICING THE BACK 300 PLUS HOMES THAT ARE RIGHT THERE AT THAT SECOND ENTRANCE. I PRAY WE CAN COME TO A RESOLUTION AND SOLUTION THAT AS THESE LOTS ARE BEING DEVELOPED WE UNDERSTAND ALL OF THESE HOMES ARE NOT GOING IN AT ONE TIME. IT IS A TRANSITION OVER TIME. AS THESE LOTS ARE GOING IN AND THE HOMES ARE GOING UP AND THE FAMILY AND THE TRAFFIC AND THERE CAN BE A PROGRESS ON THE ROADWAY SO THAT AS THIS IS GROWING AND FILLING UP, THERE IS PLANS WITH THE ROADWAY AND WE DON'T HAVE TO WAIT A LONGTIME BEFORE THE COUNTY DEVELOPS IT. FROM THE BEST I CAN UNDERSTAND IN LAYMAN'S TERMS THE DEVELOPERS CONTRIBUTED MONEY HOW THE COUNTY FELT FIT FOR THE ROADWAYS. IN 2004 AND WHEREVER YOU DECIDED TO SPEND IT, THAT'S WHY THEY ARE TAKING ON THE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THAT EXPENSE. AS THE MONEY COMES IN I PRAY YOU HAVE IT TO GET IT FIGURED OUT SO THAT OUR COMMUNITY IS TAKEN CARE OF. ONE OF THE EMAILS I SENT TO KRISTEN INVOLVED THE PARTS IN THESE COMMUNITIES. I DO NOT UNDERSTAND EVEN AS A BOARD MEMBER HOW THE COMMUNITY PARKS GET TURNED OVER TO THE DISTRICT ITSELF. RIGHT NOW THE LAND IS IN THE DEVELOPER'S NAME AND THE POCKET PARKS ARE IN THE PLAT PLAN. IF THERE IS ANYWAY THESE PARKS CAN BE DEVELOPED BEFORE THEY ARE TURNED OVER TO A COMMUNITY OR SOME TYPE OF ALLOTMENT OF FUNDS SO THEY CAN GET DEVELOPED IT WILL HELP THE COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE HAVE WHAT IT IS INTENDED TO HAVE, BUT IT ALSO HELPS ALLEVIATE -- GETTING IT TURNED OVER TO A BOARD AND THEN IF IT DOES BECOME THE BOARD ISSUE AND RESPONSIBILITY AND WE DON'T HAVE A BUDGET AND MONEY TO PAY FOR IT. SOMEHOW HELPING ME AND HELPING OUR COMMUNITY. CERTAIN THINGS ARE NOT CDD ISSUES BECAUSE WE DON'T OWN THE LAND. BUT THEN IT BECOMES A CDD PROBLEM ONCE THE LAND IS TURNED OVER TO US. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. AND I WOULD LIKE TO NOTE THAT THAT ACTUALLY WASN'T ON ITEM NUMBER 12. ITEM NUMBER 12 IS A PLAT. >> YES. THE PLAT IS FOR THE -- >> I AM JUST -- I AM NOT TRYING TO ENGAGE YOU. I AM JUST SAYING YOU ARE SPEAKING ON SOMETHING THAT I GUESS GEOGRAPHICALLY THEY ARE NEAR EACH OTHER, BUT THAT IS NOT SPECIFICALLY THE ITEM WE ARE VOTING ON TONIGHT. THERE'S A VERY CLEAR -- WE ARE VOTING ON THE ACCEPTANCE OF A SUBDIVISION PLAT THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH A ROADWAY. SO I JUST WANT THAT TO BE CLEAR IN THE RECORD. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> SO WE -- WAS THERE ANYONE ELSE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? AND WE WOULD NEED TO GET A CARD FROM YOU. YOU WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK? YES, SIR. >> I HAVE ALREADY SPOKEN. >> OH. >> WHEN I FILLED OUT MY CARD -- >> NO, SIR. I WILL -- I WILL CALL YOU FOR ITEM -- YES. YOU ARE ON THE PUBLIC HEARING. I WILL CALL YOU AGAIN FOR THAT ONE. IT IS WELL AFTER 5:00. WE WILL MOVE INTO OUR 5:00 TIME [21.  Final Public Hearing to consider adoption of CPA-2022-15 and REZ-2022-22. These items were continued from Nov. 22, 2022] CERTAINS. ITEM 21 IS THE FINAL PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER ADOPTION OF CPA2022-R15. THESE ITEMS WERE CONTINUED FROM NOVEMBER 22ND, 2022. >> FOR ITEM 21 THE APPLICATION HAS BEEN WITHDRAWN. >> EXCUSE ME. IF YOU ALL ARE LEAVING, PLEASE RECOGNIZE THAT WE ARE -- WE ARE TRYING TO CONTINUE THE MEETING SO IF YOU COULD LEAVE QUIETLY. THANK YOU FOR ATTENDING. GO AHEAD. I COULDN'T HEAR YOU. >> ITEM 21 THE APPLICATION HAS BEEN WITHDRAWN SO THERE IS NO NEED FOR A PUBLIC HEARING. >> SO WHAT WAS THIS ITEM? >> THIS WAS THE ITEM FOR THE EMERGENCY VET CLINIC ON HIGHWAY 17. OKAY. FOR THE KNOWLEDGE OF THE PUBLIC THE EMERGENCY VET CLINIC APPLICATION FROM BACK IN NOVEMBER HAS BEEN WITHDRAWN. [01:25:01] I DON'T OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AT ALL? [22.  Public Hearing to consider adoption of CPA-2022-19 and PUD-2022-11. (District 2, Comm. Compere) (D. Selig)] >> ITEM 22, PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER ADOPTION OF CPA-2022-19 AND PUD-2022-11. THIS IS IN COMMISSIONER KOMPERE'S -- MS. COMPERE'S DISTRICT. >> THE APPLICANT HAS REQUESTED THE ITEM BE CONTINUED TO THE MARCH 28 BOARD MEETING. IT WAS BROUGHT BEFORE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THEY HAVE CONTINUED IT TO THE MARCH 7TH? >> 8TH. >> MARCH 7TH PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING AND THE BOARD WILL HAVE TO HEAR IT AFTER THAT. HOWEVER, YOU WILL NEED TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING IF THERE IS ANYONE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK AND THERE WOULD BE TO BE A MOTION FOR A CONTINUE WEDNESDAY. >> AND THIS -- CONTINUE WEDNESDAY. >> THIS IS THE PROPOSED APARTMENT -- >> DEVELOPMENT. >> DEVELOPMENT AT BEAR RUN? >> YES. >> I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. IS THERE ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS APPLICATION FOR A SMALL SCALE PLAN AMENDMENT? OR THE PUD ASSOCIATED WITH IT. SEEING NONE I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND I WILL BRING IT BACK TO THE BOARD FOR A MOTION TO CONTINUE. >> I MAKE A MOTION TO CONTINUE THIS TO THE MARCH 28TH, BCC MEETING. >> THANK YOU. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR INDICATE BY SAYING I. >> I. >> THOSE OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES 5-0. WE WILL REHEAR THAT AT THE END OF MARCH. [23.  Public Hearing on Ordinance and Resolution to Amend the Capital Improvement Plan (R. Kantor/T. Nagle)] ITEM 23, PUBLIC HEARING ON ORDINANCE AND RESOLUTION TO AMEND THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN. I WILL LET DEBBIE TELL US. DO YOU WANT ME TO READ THIS OR DO YOU WANT ME TO -- SO WE HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER APPROVAL OF AN ORDER -- AN ORDINANCE AMENDING THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT OF THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN AND HOPEFULLY APPROVAL AND RESOLUTION AMENDING THE NONCAPITAL AGREEMENT PORTION OF THE CLAY COUNTY CAP CASH -- CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT AND APPROVAL OF OPERATING BUDGET ADJUSTMENTS. >> YES. REG IS ON HIS WAY HERE. THIS IS A CLEAN UP OVERALL OF OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS FUNDS. WE HAVE A RESOLUTION AND THE ORDINANCE TO GO ALONG WITH IT. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS I WILL ENTERTAIN THOSE NOW. >> ANY QUESTIONS FOR DEBBIE OR REG? >> I WILL WAIT -- THEY ARE GOING TO SWAP OUT. IT IS LIKE A WORLD WRESTLING TAG TEAM HERE. MAYBE JUST FOR THE SAKE OF THE PUBLIC, WHEN DEBBIE SAYS THIS IS TO CLEAN UP, MAKE YOU CAN REFERENCE AS TO WHAT THAT DEFINITION OF A CLEAN UP MEANS IN YOUR DEPARTMENTS. >> MY DEPARTMENTS? WHEN IT COMES TO THE CAPITAL PROJECT WE ARE FINISHING OUT PAYING OFF INVOICES FROM LAST YEAR THAT WILL DICTATE WHAT THE CARRY OVER WILL BE. AS MORE AND MORE PROJECTS ARE FINISHING OUT, WE KNEW HOW LAST YAR WOULD ENDED AND WHAT THIS YEAR'S BUDGET WOULD BE. MOST OF THE CIP NUMBERS I WAS USING WAS MOVING IT FROM ONE YEAR TO THE NEXT. >> SO IN SIMPLE TERMS, A PROJECT THAT MAY HAVE STARTED LAST YEAR AND HAD FUNDING IN THE LAST YEAR'S BUDGET NEEDS TO BE MOVED TO THIS YEAR TO BE COMPLETED AND PAID FOR? >> YES. AND I DON'T WANT TO STOP THE PURCHASING PROCESS. IF THEY NEED A PURCHASE ORDER FOR THIS YEAR I GOT IT SO I CAN DO THAT. >> AND I IMAGINE, MADAM CHAIR, ANOTHER QUESTION, ARE THOSE ITEM THAT'S ARE IN YELLOW, BUT ARE IN THE BOOK, ARE THOSE ITEM THAT'S ARE CLEANED UP? >> YES. >> UPDATED. >> YES, UPDATED. >> WHERE WE SIT TODAY. >> THANK YOU. >> ISN'T THERE IS A A TIME LIMIT WHERE YOU CAN'T UPDATE THE BUDGET OR IS THERE NOT? I REMEMBER A 60-DAY LIMB -- 60-DAY LIMIT. >> I CAN'T CHANGE THE BUDGET FROM LAST YEAR. ALL I CAN DO IS CHANGE THE BUDGET FOR THIS YEAR. I HAVE UNTIL THE END OF NOVEMBER TO CHANGE ANYTHING FROM LAST YEAR. AND NOW THIS YEAR I AM ADJUSTING THIS YEAR'S NUMBERS. >> I GOT YOU. THAT'S LAST YEAR'S BUDGET. >> SO BASICALLY WHAT WE ARE DOING TONIGHT, IT WILL JUMP US TO THE WORKSHOP ON THE 14TH. IT WILL SET IN PLACE WHAT OUR [01:30:06] NARRATION WILL BE AT THAT TIME. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT. I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. IS THERE ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THE ORDINANCE AND RESOLUTION TO IMPROVE THE CAPITAL IMPROVE MEANT -- IMPROVEMENT PLAN FROM 2022 AND THE ASSOCIATED ADJUSTMENTS FOR 2023? SEEING NONE I WILL CLOSE THAT PUBLIC HEARING AND I WILL BRING IT BACK TO THE BOARD. PERMISSION FOR DISCUSSION. >> MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE. >> OWE KA HAVE -- WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR INDICATE BY SAYING I. >> I. >> THOSE OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES 5-0. THANK YOU, REG. >> THANK YOU. [24.  Public Hearing on the Town of Orange Park's Application for Renewal of a Certificate of Public Convenience and Necessity for Ambulance Service (J. Boree)] >> ALL RIGHT. ITEM 24. PUBLIC HEARING ON THE TOWN OF ORANGE PARK'S APPLICATION FOR RENEWAL OF A CERTIFICATE OF PUBLIC CONVENES YENS AND NECESSITY FOR AMBULANCE SERVICE. AND I WOULD LIKE TO REMIND THE PUBLIC THAT WE USED TO HAVE A COMMITTEE THAT IS CALLED THE STANDING COMMITTEE, AND IT USED TO WORK IN CONJUNCTION WITH OUR FINANCE AND AUDIT COMMITTEE. WHEN WE ELIMINATED FINANCE AND AUDIT AND MOVED IT AND COMBINED IT WITH THIS BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONER'S MEETING THIS BOARD MOVED TO STANDING -- >> THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR, I AM GOING TO READ INTO THE RECORD WHAT WE ARE REQUIRED TO DO TODAY. AND THEN THE -- THE HEARING WILL BE YOURS. >> A LARGE STATUTE OUT HAS A PROVISION FOR THE EMERGENCY MEDICAL TO CITIZENS. IT PROMULGATED THE CHAPTER OF THE CODE WHERE THERE IS A STANDARD OF ISSUING PUBLIC CONVENIENCE AND NECESSITY. IN JANUARY THE COUNTY RECEIVED AN APPLICATION FROM THE TOWN OF ORANGE PARK, THE ORANGE PARK FIRE DEPARTMENT REQUESTING THE REISSUE -- REISSUANCE OF A CLASS E. IT WOULD PERMIT THE OFRPBG -- ORANGE PARK FIRE DEPARTMENT RESCUE UNIT AND FIRE APRIL -- APPARATUS TO PROVIDE THE BASIC LIFE SUPPORT SERVICES IN THE DEFINED GEOGRAPHICAL AREA OF THE COUNTY. THE PREVIOUS COPCN WAS ISSUED ON MARCH 20TH OF 2021. THE REQUESTED SERVICE AREA INCLUDING THE TOWN OF ORANGE PARK AND WHAT IS DEFINED IN THE CURRENT AUTOMATIC AND MUTUAL AID AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE TOWN AND THE COUNTY. ADDITIONALLY IN ITS RENEWAL APPLICATION THEY ARE REQUESTING THE ELIMINATION OF THE ANNUAL PAYMENT PROVIDED FOR THE INTER LOCAL AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE COUNTY AND THE TOWN AND SEEKS THE ORDINANCES AND REQUIREMENTS THAT EACH COPCN PROVIDER STAFFS TOO FULLY OPERATIONAL AMBULANCE AMBULANCES AT ALL -- AMBULANCESSAL -- AT ALL TIMES OR RESCUE UNIT. THEY REQUIRE I AS THE FIRE CHIEF LOOK AT THE APPLICATION AND PROPOSE THE NEED FOR THE SERVICE AND THE GEOGRAPHICAL AREA AND THE OTHER FACTS THAT THE FIRE RESCUE DEEMS RELEVANT IN DETERMINING THE FITNESS OF THE APPLICANT TO RECEIVE THE CERTIFICATE. AND AS REQUIRED BY THE ORDINANCE A COPY OF THE APPLICATION WAS TRANSMITTED TO EACH MUNICIPALITY IN THE COUNTY. THE COUNTY'S MEDICAL DIRECTOR AND THE OFFICE OF MANAGEMENT AND BUDGET DIRECTOR AND THEY WERE REQUESTED TO FURNISH RECOMMENDATIONS OR COMMENTS EITHER IN WRITING PRIOR TO THE PUBLIC HEAR ORGANIZE -- HEARING OR IN TODAY'S PUBLIC HEARING SO IT CAN BE MADE PRIOR TO ANY DECISION ON THE APPLICATION. TO DATE WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY FROM OTHER MUNICIPALITIES THE COUNTY'S MEDICAL DIRECTOR REVIEWED THE STANDARD OPERATING PROCEDURES AND PROVIDED A LETTER OF APPROVAL. SIMILARLY THE OFFICE OF MANAGEMENT AND BUDGET'S DIRECTOR REVIEWED THE APPLICATION ALONG WITH A COMMISSION ORDER AND PROVIDED AN ANALYSIS OF THE FINANCIAL IMPLICATIONS IF THE TOWN'S REQUEST IS APPROVED. THERE IS IS A -- THERE IS A REVIEW AND RECOMMENDATION FOR THE CONSIDERATION. TODAY'S PUBLIC HEARING PROVIDES THE APPLICANT, CLAY COUNTY FIRE RESCUE AND THE COUNTY'S MEDICAL DIRECTOR ALL PRESENT CERTIFICATE HOLDERS IN EACH MUNICIPALITY TO APPEAR AND BE HEARD AND BE REPRESENTED BY COUNCIL AND PRESENT WITNESSES AND EVIDENCE AND CROSS-EXAMINE MINUTE WITNESS AND/OR PRESENT ARGUMENTS REGARDING THE APPLICATION. ADD ITS CONCLUSION TODAY OR -- AND ALL OF THE FACTORS -- AND IT WAS 7.3-7 OF THE ORDINANCE AND FIND WHETHER THE RESIDENCE OF THE COUNTY WOULD BE BEST SERVED BY GRANTING THIS RENEWAL SUBJECT TO THE LIMITATIONS SUCH AS THOSE SPELLED OUT IN AN INTER LOCAL [01:35:01] AGREEMENT OR DENYING THE APPLICATION. MADAM CHAIR IT IS BACK TO YOU AND YOU MAY OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND REQUEST COMMENT. >> WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO COME FORWARD AND GIVE US A PRESENTATION PLEASE? GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS I AM SARA CAMPBELL AND THE TOWN MANAGER FOR THE TOWN OF ORANGE PARK. IT IS MY PLEASURE TO PRESENT OUR RENEWAL APPLICATION TO YOU THIS EVENING. I PROMISE I WON'T BE CROSS CROSS-EXAMINE MINUTING ANY WITNESSES, BUT I DO HAVE A BRIEF PRESENTATION FOR YOU I WOULD LIKE TO TALK A LITTLE OF THE BACKGROUND OF THE PROGRAM AND CURRENT CALL VOLUME AND FUNDING STRUCTURE AND OUR PROPOSAL FOR THE RENEWAL. SO ON BACKGROUND I FULLY AGREE WITH CHIEF MOCK. THE COUNTY IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE TOWN AND IN THAT SAME COUNTY THERE IS A TRUST FUND AND YOU MAY DISTRIBUTE THAT TO EMS ORGANIZATIONS AND ATHLETIC ORGANIZATIONS AS YOU DEEM FIT. IT GOES BACK NEARLY A HUNDRED YEARS. THE TOWN CREATED THE FIRST DEPARTMENT IN 1930. THEY GAVE THE FIRST RESCUE UNIT IN 1975. AND THEN LATER WE HAVE DOCUMENTATION IN 1992 SHOWING AN AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE TWO AGENCIES. THE COUNTY WOULD PAY THE TOWN $73,000 A YEAR AND IN ADDITION $25 PER CALL FOR EVERY CALL THAT WE RAN ON THE COUNTY'S BEHALF. WE GET INTO A HISTORY FROM THE 1980S TO THE 1990S WE RECEIVED THE CERTIFICATE OF NEED AUTOMATICALLY. BUT IN THE EARLY 90S STATE LAW CHANGED AND IT REQUIRED THAT THE COUNTY ISSUE THAT CERTIFICATE OF NEED AND THEN A FEW YEARS LATER THEY UPDATED THE ORDINANCE FOR MUNICIPAL UNITS. THROUGH THE YEARS THOUGH WHEN THE TOWN ATTEMPTED TO GAIN A CERTIFICATE OF NEED AGAIN, IT TOOK SOME TIME AND THEN IN 2019, YOU HAVE YOUR ORDINANCE IN ITS FORM NOW AND THAT'S WHEN THE PROCESS WAS PUT BACK INTO PLACE FOR MUNICIPAL-OWNED UNITS. THIS COMES INTO PLAY BECAUSE THE COMPLICATED FUNDING STRUCTURE WE USED TO HAVE. PRIOR TO 2007 AND 2008, WE HAD AN INTER LOCAL AGREEMENT IN PLACE WHEREBY THE COUNTY WOULD GIVE THE CITY MONEY TO CONTRIBUTE TOWARD THE AMBULANCE. WITH THE GREAT RECESSION, THE COUNTY CHANGED THAT MODEL. THE INTER LOCAL AGREEMENTS WENT AWAY AND THE FUNDING WENT AWAY AND EVERYBODY'S MILLAGE WENT AWAY. SO THE TOWN IS PAYING THE SAME MILLAGE RATE THAT THE OTHER MUNICIPALITIES ARE PAYING AS WELL AS THE SAME MILLAGE AS THE COUNTY SERVICES RATE FOR THE UNINCORPORATED AREAS. BY THE WAY, WE HAD A GREAT PAST WEEK OR SO MEETING WITH COUNTY STAFF AND REVIEWING THESE NUMBERS AND MAKING SURE WE ARE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE WHEN IT COMES TO THESE NUMBERS. SO FOR THE EMS RESPONSES THAT HAPPENED WITHIN THE TOWN LIMITS, RIGHT NOW THE TOWN IS HANDLING ABOUT 68% OF THOSE AND THE COUNTY OR THE OTHER AGENCIES ARE COMING IN FOR THE REMAINING 32%. THEY ARE OUR AMBULANCE AND 46% OF ITS TIME IS SPENT RESPONDING TO CALLS IN CLAY COUNTY. SO IF WE FLIP BACK REAL QUICK AND SEE THAT THERE IS A NUMBER OF CALLS WE ARE NOT ABLE TO GET TO IF WE WERE NOT ON COUNTY CALLS WE WOULD BE ABLE TO RESPOND TO MORE CALLS. WE ARE HELPING EACH OTHER OUT AND ASSISTING THE COUNTY 46% OF THE TIME. FOR THE FUNDING, THE PREVIOUS MODEL PREVIOUS TO 2019, THE COUNTY PAID FOR THE MAINTENANCE AND FUEL RELATED TO THE VEHICLE [01:40:03] AND THE MEDICAL DIRECTOR AND ALL OF THE MEDICAL SUPPLIES. THE TOWN PAID FOR ALL OF THE STAFFING AND THEN THE COUNTY COLLECTED 100% OF THE REVENUE IN THAT MODEL. THAT'S WHAT WE SOUGHT TO CHANGE IN 2019. SO THE CURRENT FUNDING MODEL IS THAT THE TOWN OWNS THE RESCUE UNIT AND ALL OF THE SUPPLIES AND THE EQUIPMENT AND THE MEDICAL DIRECTOR AND THE TOWN PAYS FOR STAFFING AND HOUSES THE UNIT. THEY PAY THE SAME MILL -- MILLAGE AS THE COUNTERPARTS. THEY COLLECT FOR THE BILLING AND THEN THERE IS A COUNTY CHARGE BACK TO THE TOWN OF $258,000 PER YEAR. >> THE REASON FOR THAT PAYMENT AT ITS INCEPTION WAS THREE-FOLD OF WE HEARD A NUMBER OF REASONS WHY THAT WAS PUT INTO PLACE. ONE THAT THERE WAS GOING TO BE A LOSS OF COUNTY REVENUE IF THE TOWN TOOK OVER THAT SERVICE. I DON'T THINK THAT HAS OCCURRED AND YOU HAVEN'T SEEN THE DECREASE OF THE REVENUES FROM EMS. WHEN WE TALKED MORE ABOUT THAT WE REALIZED THAT THE COUNTY WOULD ADD THE RESCUE UNIT NO MATTER WHAT BECAUSE OF THE GROWTH THE COUNTY WAS EXPERIENCING. AND IT WAS MORE EXPENSIVE TO RUN BECAUSE YOU ARE PAYING OVERTIME RATES FOR THE STAFFING ON THAT. IT IS NOT MANNED AT A STRAIGHT TIME RATE. THIS PAST YEAR WE HAD AN INTERN WHO WAS ABLE TO DO SURVEYING OF THE OTHER COPCN HOLDERS STATEWIDE. WE GOT ABOUT 24 RESPONSES, OTHER MUNICIPALITIES THAT HAVE THE ARRANGEMENT WITH THEIR COUNTY. OF THE 24 THAT RESPONDED, 20 OF THEM DO NOT HAVE COMPENSATION TIED TO THEIR AGREEMENT AT ALL. SOME PAY TO GO THREW THE RENEWAL PROCESS. OF THE FOUR WITH THE COMPENSATION IN THEIR AGREEMENT, TWO OF THEM IT IS GOING FROM THE COUNTY TO THE CITY. AND THEN IN THE OTHER ONE IT IS A PAY-PAY SYSTEM. IF RERUN CALLS IN THE AREA YOU PAY US AND WE RUN CALLS IN THE AREA AND WE PAY YOU. THERE IS A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT SYSTEM THAT'S HAVE BEEN DEVELOPED ACROSS THE STATE ON HOW TO ADDRESS THIS. SO OUR PROPOSAL AS CHIEF MOCK SUMMARIZED IS THAT WE ARE REQUESTING A RENEWAL OF THE COPCN FOR THE NEXT TWO-YEAR PERIOD. WE MEET THE STANDARDS OF SERVICE AND WE HAVE BEEN PERFORMING IT FOR THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS UNDER THIS MODEL AND THERE WERE NO OBJECTIONS FILED FOR THE APPLICATION. WE ARE REQUESTING ELIMINATION OF THE ANNUAL FEE. WE BELIEVE WE ARE PROVIDING A BENEFIT TO CLAY COUNTY AS WE SPEND 45% OF OUR TIME RUNNING CALLS IN THE COUNTY. IF WE WERE TO ABANDON THE SERVICE MODEL, THE COUNTY WOULD BE REQUIRED TO TAKE IT UP, COSTING YOU $600,000. AND THEN THE COUNTY ALSO RECEIVES THE BENEFIT OF LOWER RESPONSE TIME FOR ALL OF THE TOWN-RUN CALLS. FOR THOSE REASONS WE ARE REQUESTING YOUR CONSIDERATION OF THE FEE ELIMINATION. BUT WE DEFINITELY WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION, THANK YOU FOR YOUR ONGOING COOPERATION. MYSELF, THE CHIEF, MAYOR ANDERSON AND COUNCIL WOMAN THOMAS AND COUNCIL WOMAN BENEFIELD ARE HERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS. >> DOES ANYONE HAVE QUESTIONS FOR SARA OR ANY OF THE OTHER STAFF BEFORE WE OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING? OKAY. I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. IS THERE ANYONE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO THIS ONE? I HAVE CARDS FROM MR. REDWONSKI AND WINETTE SAMLIN. WE WILL START WITH THEM. >> MAY I GO LAST, PLEASE, YOUR HONOR? >> I AM NOT A YOUR HONOR, BUT, YES, YOU CAN GO LAST. I AM NOT AN ATTORNEY. NO DESIRE TO BE. >> OUCH. >> I DIDN'T MEAN IT THAT WAY. I'M SORRY. I SHOULD JUST SAY, WE ALL HAVE OUR TALENT AND SHE HAS HERS. I HAVE MINE. I RESPECT IT GREATLY, I JUST DON'T WANT TO DO IT FOR A LIVING. THANK YOU. SORRY. >> GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS WINETTE SANDLIN. I HAVE RESIDED AT 2536 HOLLY POINT ROAD EAST IN THE TOWN OF ORANGE PARK FOR 25 AND A HALF YEARS. I'M COMING BEFORE YOU AT TODAY'S MEETING TO ASK YOU TO PLEASE ELIMINATE THE FEE THAT YOU CHARGE THE TOWN FOR OPERATING [01:45:02] THE EMS MEDICAL UNIT. AS MS. CAMPBELL JUST STATED THE TOWN IS PAYING FOR THE EQUIPMENT AND THE HOUSING OF THE EQUIPMENT AND THE MAINTENANCE AND REPAIR AS WELL AS THE PERSONNEL. THAT INCLUDES THEIR SALARIES AND THEIR BENEFITS THAT PERFORM THE EMS SERVICES. PROPERTY OWNERS AND THE TOWN AS YOU'RE WELL AWARE ARE SUBJECT TO COUNTY AND TOWN PROPERTY TAXES EVERY YEAR. IN MY PERSONAL YOUTH, HAVING THE TOWN ASSESSED A FEE BY THE COUNTY FOR THE SERVICES FOR WHICH SOMEONE WHO LIVES IN THE COUNTY AND IN AN UNINCORPORATED AREA HAS INCLUDED IN THEIR PROPERTY TAXES, AND I'M PAYING THOSE SAME PROPERTY TAXES AS AN OWNER IN THE TOWN OF ORANGE PARK PLUS SOME ADDITIONAL, IT IS LIKE A FORM OF DOUBLE TAXATION TO ME. I WOULD HOPE YOU WOULD CONSIDER THAT AS YOU CONSIDER ALL OF THE OTHER THINGS. I DON'T HAVE ALL OF THE DETAILS THAT MS. CAMPBELL PRESENTED TO YOU, THAT YOUR STAFF HAVE PRESENTED AND THE THINGS THAT YOU MUST CONSIDER. BT I HOPE YOU WILL CONSIDER INDIVIDUAL TAXPAYERS AND HOW WE PAY AND HOW THIS COULD IN FACT BE VIEWED AS A FORM OF -- OF A DOUBLE TAXATION. WE ARE NOT GETTING A DISCOUNT ON OUR COUNTY TAXES FOR THAT PORTION OF EMS. THAT WE AS A TOWN WITH OUR PROPERTY TAXES ARE PAYING FOR, OUR ADDITIONAL PROPERTY TAXES. WE ARE ALSO, I BELIEVE,ION A TEAM PLAYER. WE -- I SUPPORT THE TOWN PERSONALLY. I AM IN FAVOR OF THE TOWN DOING WHAT IT CAN TO SUPPORT THE COUNTY. WE ALL WANT THE VERY BEST FOR EVERY RESIDENT IN THIS COUNTY AND IN THIS COMMUNITY. I AM VERY SUPPORT TOUGH -- I AM VERY SUPPORTIVE OF YOU AND OF OUR TOWN SUPPORTING THAT THE BEST WAY WE CAN. I HOPE YOU WILL SERIOUSLY CONSIDER RECOGNIZING THE VALUE OF THE CONTRIBUTIONS THAT OUR TOWN EMS PERSONNEL PROVIDE TO THE COUNTY AND ARE PAID FOR BY PEOPLE, LIKE MY PERSONAL PROPERTY TAXES. IT IS NOT JUST THE PROPERTY TAXES OF THOSE WITHIN THE COUNTY. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. >> THANK YOU. >> IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK BESIDES MR. WADWANSKI. >> HE WANTED TO GO LAST. DO YOU REALLY WANT TO GO LAST? YOU HAVE TO LET THE COUNCILMAN GO BEFORE YOU. >> THE MAYOR -- >> WE HAVE TO LET THE MAYOR GO FIRST. HE IS A YOUR HONOR. >> FIRST OF ALL I WANT TO THANK ALL OF YOU FOR THE PARTNERSHIP THAT WE DO HAVE BETWEEN CLAY COUNTY AND THE TOWN OF ORANGE -- ORANGE PARK. WE SHARE THE SAME GOAL AND THAT IS TO ENSURE THAT THE SAFETY AND THE HEALTH OF OUR RESIDENTS AND ALL OF OUR VISITORS ARE TAKEN CARE OF. WROE -- WE LOOK FORWARD TO CONTINUING A DISCUSSION ON THIS, OUR AMBULANCE. WHEN THERE IS A DECISION MADE, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE DECISION IS FAIR TO ALL. IT IS FAIR TO THE COUNTY AND FAIR TO THE TOWN OF ORANGE PARK AND CONTINUE TO GROW OUR PARTNERSHIP. I THINK WE ALL WANT TO DO THE RIGHT THING. I'M A BELIEVER THAT THAT'S WHAT WE WILL DO IS THE RIGHT THING. WE ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT THE COUNTY IS GOING THROUGH A LOT OF GROWTH RIGHT NOW, AND I WANT TO PUT IT OUT THERE THAT THE TOWN OF ORANGE PARK IS WILLING TO WORK WITH THE COUNTY. YOUR GROWTHS ISSUE, AND IT IS A GOOD ISSUE TO HAVE. WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF GROWTH IN ORANGE PARK, BUT WE ARE WILLING TO DO OUR PART TO HELP YOU AND THE REST OF THE COUNTY. WHEN YOU STKPAOEUD TO -- WHEN YOU DECIDE TO DISCUSS THIS WE HAVE THOUSANDS OF RESIDENTS WHO ARE DE PEN DEPARTMENT ON YOU AS WELL -- DEPENDENT ON YOU AS WELL. >> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> ANYONE ELSE? >> ALL RIGHT, MR. WODMONSKI, YOU'RE UP. >> CHAIRMAN, I APOLOGIZE. I THOUGHT YOU WERE A LAWYER. >> I AM NOT, BUT MY ESTEEMED COLLEAGUE IS AND WE HAVE A WONDERFUL COUNTY ATTORNEY. WE ARE IN GOOD HANDS. >> KENNY WADWANSKI. LONG-TIME RESIDENT AND PROUD TO LIVE IN CLAY COUNTY. [01:50:03] THE ADVANTAGE TO GOING LAST IS EVERYTHING THAT OUR TOWN REPRESENTATIVES FROM OUR TOWN MANAGER TO OUR TOWN COUNCIL TO EVERYONE BEFORE ME WAS REALLY WELL PRESENTED. MY BACKGROUND WAS OPERATION SYSTEMS MANAGEMENT AND I WAS VERY GOOD AT IT. I RETIRED IN 1992. IN JUNE OF LAST YEAR I HAD A MEDICAL EMERGENCY AND MADE IT TO MY FRONT PORCH. OPFD WAS THERE IN 2.1 MINUTES AND LEFT IN TWO AND A HALF MINUTES. THEY KEPT ME ALIVE AND TAKING ME TO THE ORANGE PARK MEDICAL CENTER. TWO WEEKS LATER AND THE SAME PROBLEM. STATION 18 WAS THERE IN 2.34 MINUTES AND GOT ME UP THERE IN LESS TIME. I AM REACHING OUT TO YOU FROM THE PASSION OF MY HEART. WE ARE A SMALL TOWN. WE ARE A SMALL ENTITY. I REMEMBER WHEN THERE WAS NO FLEMING ISLAND. I REMEMBER WHEN JB WAS IN THE NAVY. I REMEMBER A LOT OF THINGS. YOU ARE OUR FUTURE, OUR TOWN REPRESENTATION IN OUR FUTURE. I'M THE PAST. PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE, THIS $250,000 A YEAR REALLY HURTS. IF YOU CAN AT LEAST DO SOME OF IT. ON BEHALF OF MYSELF AND THE GREATER COMMUNITY OF THE TOWN OF ORANGE PARK RESIDENTS, SCHOOLS, CHURCHES, YOUTH OF YESTERDAY, TOMORROW AND TODAY WE PLEAD FOR YOU, PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE DO THE BEST YOU CAN. >> THANK YOU, SIR. WE ARE GLAD THAT YOU ARE BETTER NOW. ANY -- ANYONE ELSE WANT TO SPEAK ON PUBLIC HEAR STPH-G -- HEARING? I WILL CLOSE IT AND BRING IT BACK TO THE BOARD. ANY DISCUSSION OR MOTION? >> WELL, FIRST THING, HAVE WE HAD TIME TO REVIEW THESE NUMBERS AND WE AGREE WITH THE NUMBERS? I KNOW THERE IS A NEGOTIATION GOING ON CONTINUOUSLY FOR THE LAST WEEK AND A HALF. WHERE DO WE STAND AS COMMISSIONERS? >> I LOOKED AT THE NUMBERS BEFORE THE MEETING AND THEY WERE CONCURRENT WITH WHAT WE PROVIDED. I THINK YOU WERE ALL BRIEFED ON THE COPCN. >> I GUESS, THERE HAVE BEEN NEGOTIATIONS GOING ON FOR THE LAST 10 DAYS. >> YES. WE HAVE BEEN DISCUSSING OPTIONS WITH THE TOWN RELATIVE TO THEIR REQUEST TO ELIMINATE THE $258,000 ANNUAL CHARGE. IF YOU GO BACK TO THE HISTORY OF WHERE THAT WAS DETERMINED FROM, IT WAS THAT FIRST YEAR OF THE COPCN HEARING. IT WAS ESTABLISHED BY THE BOARD AT THAT TIME AND ESSENTIALLY CUTTING IN HALF WHAT THEY FELT THE COST OF THE COUNTY WAS RELATIVE TO THE START OF THE INDIVIDUAL TOWN SERVICE BASED ON THE COMBINED TOWN SERVICE AND THAT WAS MAINTAINED IN THE NEXT R -- THE NEXT COPCN CYCLE AND NOW WE ARE ON THE SECOND REISSUE WEDNESDAY OF THAT -- THE RE-ISSUANCE. IT WAS THE LAST TIME TO ELIMINATE AND WE WERE DISCUSSING OPTIONS. THEY GAVE US THREE SCENARIOS WE WERE LOOKING AT. ONE WAS A REALIGNMENT OF THE DATA RELATIVE TO WHAT THEY FELT COSTING MIGHT BE. THE SECOND WAS A PHASED OUT APPROACH TO THAT. WE PROVIDED A THIRD OPTION BACK WHICH IS HOUSING A FULL-TIME UNIT. YOU WILL RECALL THAT THE 258 CHARGE AND MS. CAMPBELL CORRECTLY STATED THAT IT WAS THE REVENUE REDUCTION AND THE FACT THAT THE TOWN WAS NOT ABLE TO PROVIDE TWO FULLY OPERATIONAL AMBULANCES IN ACCORDANCE WITH THAT. WE HAVE BEEN OPERATING A PEAK TIME UNIT WHICH IS A 12-HOUR UNIT UTILIZING THAT FUNDING THAT CAME THROUGH TO SUPPORT THAT. WE HAVE BEEN LOOKING AT PLANNING RELATIVE TO THE CREATION OF A FULL-TIME UNIT. WITH THAT, UNDERSTANDABLY, THE UTILIZATION OF OVERTIME FOR THAT PUTS A BURDEN ON OUR MEMBERS TO BE ABLE TO WORK ADDITINAL SHIFTS AND AT A TIME GOING THROUGH COVID WHERE WE HAD A LOT [01:55:03] OF PEOPLE OFF AND IT WAS QUITE A BURDEN TO KEEP THAT IN SERVICE. AND SO WE WERE LOOKING TO PUT A FULL TIME UNIT IN. PROBABLY LATER THIS SPRING. IF WE CAN ACHIEVE AN ARRANGEMENT, THAT IS ONE OF THE THINGS TO ACCOMMODATE THEIR REQUEST TO ELIMINATE THE $258,000 CHARGE ALONG WITH THE OPTIONS OF REDUCING THAT IN ONE MANNER OR ANOTHER. THAT'S WHERE THE DISCUSSIONS WERE WORKING WITH THE BOARD -- EXCUSE ME. >> ANY OTHER COMMENT ON THE DECISION BY COMMISSION HERE TONIGHT HAS TO BE APPROVED BY THE COUNCIL IN ORANGE PARK. >> THE INTER LOCAL AGREEMENT IF YOU -- THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT WOULD HAVE THE TOWN ACTING ON THE INTER LOCAL AGREEMENT IT EXPIRES ON THE 19TH. YOU WOULD HAVE TIME AND THEY WOULD HAVE TIME TO PERFORM AN INTER LOCAL AGREEMENT. THAT'S DIFFERENT THAN WHAT IT WAS FROM WHAT THE BOARD APPROVED IN THE PAST. AND I WANT A LAWYER, IF I LOOK AROUND, I THINK I AM STATING THIS CORRECTLY. >> I HEARD THE OPTIONS, BUT I DIDN'T HEAR FROM YOUR SIDE IS THAT AGREEABLE ON YOUR SIDE? ARE WE NOT VOTING ON THAT PART TODAY? STPU -- IF YOU CAN FILL ME IN. >> WE DIDN'T KNOW HOW THE BOARD DISCUSSION WOULD GO, SO WE DIDN'T WANT TO THROW A BUNCH OF OPTIONS AT YOU IF THEY HAVE NOT BEEN VETTED BY THE COUNTY TEAM. SOME OF THE OPTIONS -- IF WE CAN ELIMINATE THE FEE SOUT -- FEE OUT RIGHT, IT WOULD BE -- THE NEW FEE IS LOWER THAN THE 258. THAT'S A GREAT STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. IF IT IS TOO SIGNIFICANT TO ABSORB IN ONE YEAR, WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT STEP DOWN OVER TIME. AND THEN HOUSING THE UNIT IN OUR STATION IN ORDER TO WAIVE THE FEE COMPLETELY OUR PRELIMINARY DISCUSSIONS, IT SOUNDS LIKE A GREAT IDEA. IT SOUNDS LIKE IT WOULD BE A WIN FOR BOTH AGENCIES. AND AN EASY WAY TO ELIMINATE THE FEE. WE DO NEED TO TAKE THAT TO OUR COUNCIL AND THEY MEET NEXT TUESDAY NIGHT, THE 7TH. IF THEY WERE TO APPROVE THAT, THEN WE WOULD GET THE THUMBS UP FOR THAT ON THE 14TH. >> HAVE YOU DONE AN ASSESSMENT ON WHAT IT WOULD MEAN TO MAKE THE MODIFICATION TO OUR PUBLIC SAFETY BUILDING. >> WE HAVEN'T WORKED OUT THE DETAILS. THERE IS A SPACE. THERE IS AN EMPTY OFFICE IN OUR BAY RIGHT NOW. I THINK THE CHIEF CAME UP YESTERDAY AND LOOKED AT IT. THEY THINK IT IS A WORKABLE SOLUTION IF WE WERE TO HOST COUNTY EMPLOYEES THERE. THE DEVIL IS IN THE DETAILS. THEY TALKED ABOUT HOW IT WOULD WORK. WE HAVE THE SAME MEDICAL DRECTOR. SO THE SOP'S THEY SHOULD BE NEARLY IDENTICAL. WE THINK WE COULD INTEGRATE IT FAIRLY EASILY. >> I DON'T HAVE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS. ALTHOUGH IN TERMS OF RUNNING THOSE TWO UNITS, YOU BELIEVE YOU CAN ANSWER THIS OR YOU CAN JUMP IN. AS IT STANDS NOW WE WORK AS A TEAM AND WE WILL HAVE THE COVERAGE FROM ORANGE PARK. AND ONE OF THE WEAKNESSES WE HAVE IS NORTH OF ORANGE PARK. >> I THINK YOU ARE TALKING IN THE NORTHERN PART OF FLEMING ISLAND. >> YEAH. >> THAT'S A COVERAGE HOLE WHERE WE UTILIZE RESCUE 19 A FAIR NUMBER OF THE TIMES BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A STATION CLOSE ENOUGH TO GET UNITS IN THERE. BECAUSE OF WHERE THE MEDICAL CENTER IS AND BECAUSE OF NOW THE BAPTIST HOSPITAL COMING ON THE LINE, YOU HAVE UNITS TRANSITING THE CORRIDOR. BUT IT WOULD BE MORE OP TALL -- OPTIMALLY EFFECTIVE TO HAVE A UNIT STATIONED IN THE AREA. WHEN THE DISCUSSIONS CAME TO THAT, LOOK, I'M THE OPERATIONS GUY. I AM NOT THE FINANCE GUY. IF YOU TOLD ME I WILL GET A UNIT IN THE SERVICE AREA, I THINK BOTH SIDES ARE POSITIVELY AFFECTED BY THIS. I AM KIND OF EXCITED BY THE THOUGHT OR THE OPPORTUNITY IF WE COULD WORK SOMETHING OUT. I UNDERSTAND THE BOARD IN THE PAST AND WHERE THAT FEE STRUCTURE CAME FROM. I THINK WE COULD COVER IT THAT WAY. AND I THINK MS. CAMPBELL SAID IT CORRECTLY. [02:00:02] WE HAVE STRINGS IN OTHER AREAS AND LOOKING TO BOLSTER OTHER LOCATIONS BESIDES THAT TOO. >> WELL, I THINK -- CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, HAVING THE TWO UNITS IN THAT PARTICULAR LOCATION WOULD ASSIST IN OBVIOUSLY THE TOWN BEING ABLE TO GET TO THEIR CASES AND WE WOULD EITHER BE ABLE TO BACKSTOP THERE OR BACKSTOP IN THE COUNTY PROPER FROM A BETTER LOCATION THAN WHERE THE SECOND UNIT OF 18 WOULDS WORKING. >> IT WAS FUNCTIONING DOWN THE CORRIDOR AND NOT FUNCTIONAL ON THE 17 CORRIDOR. I THINK THIS GIVES US A FLEXIBILITY OPTION TO COVER A BIT OF BOTH AND ALSO TO GET INTO THAT COLLEGE DRIVE AREA WHEN OTHER UNITS ARE OCCUPIED. IS WE CLEARLY HAVE TO WORK OUT THE DETAILS. LIKE I SAID, I'M SORT OF EXCITED BY THE THOUGHT. >> LOOKING AT THE OPERATIONS THERE, WE WOULD DERIVE SOME REVENUES FROM THAT BECAUSE THEY WOULD KEEP THEIR REVENUES AND ANY CALLS THAT WERE ON WE WOULD KEEP OUR REVENUES, RIGHT? >> I THINK THAT'S ACCURATE. WHAT YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER, REVENUES OPBLG -- ONLY DERIVE IF YOU TRANSPORT THE PATIENT. I DON'T KNOW THE TOWN SIDE, BUT I WILL SAY FROM OUR SIDE, WHAT WE BILL FOR IS CLEARLY NOT WHAT WE NORMALLY KHREPBLGT. COLLECT. THAT'S CONSISTENT. I HAVEN'T SEEN THAT DIFFERENT IN ANY SETTIN. I THINK WE WOULD SEE A REVENUE INCREASE RELATIVE TO THAT, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO WAIT AND SEE WHAT THE NUMBERS ARE. AND WE HAVE TO ESTABLISH A GOOD OPERATIONAL PATTERN BEFORE I WOULD BE CONFIDENT IN GUARANTEEING THAT. >> I SEE THE MOST IMPORTANT ASPECT OF THIS DISCUSSION IS TO BE SURE THAT RESIDENTS IN BOTH THE COUNTY AND THE TOWN ARE RECEIVING THE BEST POSSIBLE SERVICE AND AMBULANCE SERVICE AND THE MOST EFFICIENT AND COST EFFECTIVE WAY. WE ARE NOT HERE TO TRY TO THROW AWAY TAXPAYER MONEY TO HAVE OVERCOVERAGE. WE ARE STRUGGLING TO BE WHERE WE NEED TO BE I THINK. THAT'S WHAT EVERYBODY IS TALKING ABOUT. I GUESS THE QUESTION IS DOES 4% OF THE COUNTY IN TERMS OF POPULATION, DO THEY GET A BREAK OR A SUB SEDATION -- SUBSIDATION TO THE OTHER PARTS OF THE COUNTY? I THINK IN THIS REGARD THAT HELPS US BECAUSE WE GET COVERAGE. I THINK THAT CREW WOULD NOT BE ON OVERTIME, BUT REGULAR PAY. >> WE ARE LOOKING -- THE BOARD HAS BEEN GRACIOUS WITH US WITH INCREASES IN STAFFING. AND WE BELIEVE WE COULD STAFF THAT EFFECTIVELY WITH REGULAR STRAY TIME ON DUTY UNITS. UTILIZING THE PERSONNEL AND WHAT DASH AND ONE OF THE KEYS HAS BEEN THAT WE HAVE TO GROW THAT OFFICER CORE AND WE ARE STRAINING IN THE RANKS AND WE ARE SETTING UP A PROMOTIONAL TEST IN THE SPRING AND THAT WAS REALLY WHEN WE WHY LOOKING TO -- WHEN WE WERE LOOKING TO INCREASE THE STAFFING. WE'LL SEE IF IT WAS SOONER THAN THAT. BUT I THINK THE TIME FRAME WILL DOVE -- DOVE TAIL FAIRLY WELL WITH WHERE WE WILL DO THE EXPANSION AT THE TIME THE TOWN WILL BE READY. WE CAN GO INTO THE EXISTING QUARTERS ELSE WHERE. >> HAVE I NO MORE QUESTIONS AT -- I HAVE NO MORE QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME. >> OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS? >> WOULD THERE BE A DECREASE IN RESPONSE FROM THE BEL-AIR STATION, WILL THEY SEE A DECREASE IN RESPONSE? >> I DON'T THINK SO. REMEMBER, WE ARE ONLY THERE 12 HOURS. WE ALREADY HAVE HALF THE CLOCK WE ARE NOT COVERING. IN THE LONG RUN EVERYTHING WOULD BALANCE OUT. YOU ARE ABLE TO GET DOWN THERE FAIRLY EFFECTIVELY. WE UTILIZE THEM INTO THE BACK AREAS AND WELL INTO WELLS ROAD. THAT'S A CONGESTED AREA. I DON'T THINK WE WOULD SEE A CHANGE, BUT, AGAIN, THE DATA WILL TELL IT AND WE'LL HAVE TO SEE HOW THAT LOOKS. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? >> I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION HEARING BOTH SIDES AND ASSESSMENTS OF THE CHANGE IT APPEARS AS IF, LIKE COMMISSIONER CELLA SAID, WE WILL GAIN SOME BENEFIT AT AN ECONOMICAL COST, OR IT IS NOT GOING TO COST AS MUCH, AND THERE IS AN ATTRIBUTE OF COLLEGIALITY WE WILL GAIN AS WELL. [02:05:05] I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE CONTINUE THE DISCUSSION WITH ORANGE PARK STAFF WITH THE OPTION OF RELOCATING STATION 18 FIRE AND AMBULANCE TO THE ORANG. >> CAN I ADD IT IS THE PEAK TIME UNIT SO THE PEOPLE AT THE STATION DON'T THINK -- >> YES. THE PEAK TIME UNIT. SORRY. >> A MOTION ON THE FLOOR. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? >> SECOND. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. FURTHER DISCUSSION? >> CAN WE JUST CLARIFY THE MOTION TO CONTINUE SHOULD BE TO THE MARCH 14TH BOARD MEETING? >> MARCH 14TH, PENDING THEIR DECISION. >> REGARDLESS, IT HAS TO BE HEARD. >> OKAY. >> WE HAVE AN OPEN APPLICATION SO WE HAVE TO ACT ON THAT PRIOR TO. >> COMMISSIONER, DID YOU HAVE YOUR HAND UP? >> YEAH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, YOUR HONOR. [LAUGHTER]. >> HEY, DON'T GET ME WRONG. I FEEL HONORED. >> I STILL LOOK AT IT TWICE WHEN THE ENVELOPE COMES IN THE MAIL THAT SAYS HONORABLE. I AM JUST NOT USED TO THAT. I THINK THIS IS -- YOU KNOW, THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT OBVIOUSLY THAT THE TOWN WOULD BE GIVING UP, THAT WE WOULD BE GIVING UP. I THINK THAT'S WHAT WORKS BEST AS A COMPROMISE AND CERTAINLY IT SENDS A SIGNAL OF WANTING TO MOVE FORWARD AND TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THE BEST FOR BOTH ENTITIES AND AT THE SAME TIME KEEP OUR CITIZENS' SAFETY IN MIND. HAVING HAD BOTH MY PARENTS TAKEN BY AMBULANCE IN THE LAST 12 OR 18 MONTHS YOU CAN UNDERSTAND THE NECESSITY OF THOSE SERVICES AND THE POPULATION SERVED BY THOSE RESCUES -- THOSE RESCUE UNITS HAVE TO HAVE. IT IS A GOOD PLACE TO START. CERTAINLY WE UNDERSTAND THE TIGHTNESS AND THE STRETCHED BUDGETS AND THE CONCERNS THERE. AT THE SAME TIME IT WORKED WELL AND IT IS WORKING BETTER NOW IN TERMS OF THE COOPERATION AND THE SPIRIT BETWEEN THE DEPARTMENTS AND WHOLLY IN FAVOR OF MOVING FORWARD ON THAT TRACK AND SEEING HOW WE ARE ABLE TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT WORKS. CERTAINLY THE MOTION HAS MY SUPPORT. >> ANY OTHER FURTHER DISCUSSION? A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE CONTINUE WEDNESDAY TO THE MARCH 14TH COMMISSION MEETING, INDICATE BY SAYING I. >> I. >> THOSE OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES KNIFE -- 5-0. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT. ALL RIGHT. ITEM NUMBER 25. [25.  Final Public Hearing to consider adoption of CPA 2022-22. (District 5, Comm. Burke) (B. Carson)] FINAL PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER ADOPTION OF 2022-22. THIS IS IN COMMISSIONER BURKE'S DISTRICT. A CORRECTIVE AMENDMENT TO THE 2040 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FUTURE LAND USE MAP. THIS ITEM WAS CONTINUED FROM THE JANUARY 24TH, 2023BCC MEETING. >> THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. AGAIN, THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING OF SMALL SCALE LAND USE AMENDMENT FROM THE PRIMARY CONSERVATION NETWORK TO THE BRANDON FIELD MASTER COMMUNITY. THIS IS AN APPLICATION BROUGHT TO YOU BY THE PLANNING AND ZONING DIVISION. IT IS IN THE LINTWOOD PLANNING DISTRICT, COMMISSIONER BURKE'S DISTRICT. AS YOU SAID THIS WAS HEARD ON JANUARY 17TH AND BY THIS BOARD ON THE 24TH. IT WAS CONTINUED SO THE PROPERTY OWNER WHO IS NOT THE APPLICANT, BUT THE PROPERTY OWNER COULD INVESTIGATE A POTENTIAL SALE TO A CONSERVATION ENTITY. JUST TO REFRESH YOUR MEMORY ON THIS, THIS IS A PORTION OF A PARCEL THAT IS 5.42-ACRES LOCATED OFF MANATEE POINT WHICH IS A PRIVATE ROAD. PART OF THE PRIVATE SUBDIVISION THAT IS OFF HENLEY ROAD. THERE IS A MAP OF THE UNRECORDED SUBDIVISION. THE VERY END IS THE PARCEL THAT IS THE SUBJECT OF TODAY APPLICATION. THE MAP ON THE LEFT IS THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP. TO THE LEFT OF THE PARCEL WAS THE PORTION OF THE SUBDIVISION THAT WAS ADDRESSED BY THIS BOARD AND CHANGED TO MP, KR. THIS PARCEL WAS NOT INCLUDED, BUT THE PROPERTY OWNER CONTACTED US AND REQUESTED WE ALSO REQUEST THIS CHANGE FOR HIS PARCEL. [02:10:03] THE BROWN IS THE MPC. THE GREEN IS THE BRANDON FIELD PRIMARY CONSERVATION NETWORK AND WE WOULD BE JUST CHANGING A PORTION OF THE SITE AND THE BALANCE IS PRIMARY CONSERVATION NETWORK. THE MAP ON THE RIGHT IS THE ZONING MAP THE PARCEL IS SURROUNDED BI-LO DENSITY RESIDENTIAL CONSERVATION. ACROSS THE WAY IS THE LAKE ASBURY MASTER PLAN AREA AND AN UNRECORDED SUBDIVISION. BUT WHEN IT CAME IN THEY RECOGNIZED IT AS RESIDENTIAL AND GAVE IT A DESIGNATION AND UNFORTUNATELY THIS DID NOT. STAFF RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF THIS PROPOSED LAND USE AMENDMENT TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION AT THEIR HEARING. THE PLANNING COMMISSION VOTED 6-1 TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL SUBJECT TO THE PROPERTY OWNER ENTERING INTO A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WITH THE COUNTY THAT CONFINES THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE PROPERTY TO ONE SINGLE FAMILY PARCEL. ONE SINGLE FAMILY HOME ON THE PARCEL. WE WORKED WITH THE COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. THEY PUT TOGETHER A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT THAT WOULD LIMIT IT TO SUCH. IT IS JUST ONE SING -- SINGLE FAMILY HOME. THEY HAVE ALSO REVISED THE ORDINANCE. WE HAVE A COPY OF THE ORDINANCE WROE -- WE CAN SEND THAT DISCUSSES THE AGREEMENT AND LIMITS IT TO THE ONE SINGLE FAMILY HOME THE OWNER HAS EXPRESSED APPROVAL AND THEY WOULD HAVE 14 DAYS FROM THE DATE OF YOUR APPROVAL IF YOU CHOOSE TO APPROVE IT TO SIGN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. UNFORTUNATELY THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY IS NOT HERE. I BELIEVE HIS DAUGHTER IS HERE TO REPRESENT HIM. I WOULD BE HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS. >> ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MS. CARSON? >> THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS AFTER 14 DAYS THEY DON'T SIGN UP? >> THE PROPERTY WOULD NOT BE DESIGNATED -- IT WOULDN'T CHANGE FROM THE PCN TO THE MPC. >> THE APPROVAL OF THE ORDINANCE IS NULL AND VOID. >> OKAY. >> THE OTHER FIVE AREAS BESIDES WHERE THEY WILL PUT ONE HOME, I KNOW THE DAUGHTER -- SHE WILL PROBABLY SPEAK, IS INTERESTED IN SELLING IT TO CONSERVATION IN A LAND TRUST. IS THAT ALSO ON THE LANGUAGE THAT SHE IS ABLE TO DO THAT? >> THAT WAS A MONTH QUICK TURN AROUND TO TRY AND DO A SALE. THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN. BUT THAT IS AN OPTION THAT IS WRITTEN INTO THE ORDINANCE THAT IT A POTENTIAL. THEY COULD SUBDIVIDE FOR THE PURPOSE OF SELLING TO A CONSERVATION ENTITY. >> IT IS SPECIFICALLY PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. >> THAT WOULD BE THE ONLY THING THEY COULD DO WITH THAT IS THAT CORRECT. >> RIGHT. YOU COULDN'T BUILD ON IT BECAUSE IT HAS THE PCN. >> THAT'S ALL I HAVE. >> OTHER QUESTIONS? I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND I HAVE KWAEUT -- QUITE A BIT OF STACK OF CARDS ON THIS ONE. I WILL ASK -- I WILL HAVE YOU COME UP AND YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK AND THEN WE WILL MOVE TO THE NEXT ONE. OUR FIRST SPEAKER IS RAY TOMLIN AND AFTER HIM IS ALLISON BRAMLET. >> HELLO, YOUR HONOR. HIGH NAME IS RAY TONLIN AND I LIVE ON THE LITTLE PENINSULA RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM THAT. I HAVE BEEN TO THE LAST TWO MEETINGS AND THIS HAS COME TO OUR ATTENTION FROM A LETTER OF THE ZONING BEING CHANGED OVER THAT WOULD INCREASE THE RESIDENTIAL DWELLINGS PER ACRE. MY QUESTION IS WHY WERE THE OTHER FIVE LOTS -- AND YOU SAID YOU LEFT THIS ONE OUT, BUT WHY ARE THESE LOTS ESTABLISHED? THEY WERE ONLY ESTABLISHED TO BUILD ONE HOUSE BECAUSE THEY GAVE THE OTHER 9 ACRES TO THE PRESERVATION PROPERTY. YOU CAN BUILD ONE ON THE 10-ACRE LOTS AND PARCELS. YOU REZONED THOSE TO FOUR OR FIVE PER ACRE IN DECEMBER AND LEFT THIS FOUR-ACRE PARCEL OUT OF IT? I HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN REAL [02:15:02] ESTATE MY WHOLE LIFE AND ZONING AND PLANNING IS TEMPER MENTAL. NOW WE ARE TRYING TO RE-- REZONE THE FINAL LOT AND A LETTER HE WILL ONLY BUILD ONE LOT AND THE OTHER LOTS CAN BUILD FIVE HOUSES? YOU CAN PAY A MILLION DOLLARS FOR EACH OF THE PROPERTIES AND COME IN AND PUT FOUR TO FIVE HOMES ON THERE FOR $4 TO $5 MILLION AND YOU TURNED A $15 MILLION INVESTMENT TO $50 MILLION. THIS ZONING SETS A PRECEDENCE FOR NOT JUST MY LIFE. I AM OLD, BUT TO EVERYBODY AND OTHER PRESERVATION PROPERTIES ON BLACK CREEK. WRITING A LETTER THAT I WILL BUILD ONE HOUSE AND THEN YOU CHANGE THE ZONING TO FOUR AND FIVE HOMES PER ACRE? I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THIS WAS DONE ORIGINALLY. THESE HOMES WERE DONE FOR 10 YEARS. THERE WAS NO REASON TO CHANGE THE ZONE. I AM CONFUSED. I DID NOT SEE IF THE PLANNING AND ZONING WAS GOING ON. I WOULD WANT TO KNOW WHY IT WAS GOING ON. THE SIGN WAS PUT BEHIND THE BARRICADE. I GOT A LETTER IN THE MAIL ABOUT THIS HAPPENING. FORGIVE ME, BUT I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THIS WAS EVEN DONE TO START WITH. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. MS. BRAMLET AND THEN AFTER HER IS AARON SAYER. >> ■I SPOKE ATTHE LASTMEETING%-E [02:47:18] BOARD FOR A MOTION AND DISCUSSION. [02:47:28] >> I WOULD LIKE TO ASK BETH TO REVIEW AND I KNOW WE HAVE DONE [02:47:31] IT A COUPLE TIMES, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO GO OVER AGAIN IN TERMS [02:47:34] OF EXPLAINING WHY THE REZONING WAS DONE IN THE AREA? [02:47:40] WE ACTUALLY REZONED IT. >> YES. [02:47:53] THREE OF THE FIVE LOTS HAVE HOUSES ON THEM. YES. BUT AGAIN THEY COULD NOT DO ANYTHING DIFFERENT AND COULD NOT GET A PERMIT. THEY WERE PART OF THE DESIGNATION WHICH IS WHY WE CHANGED IT. >> AM I UPDZING THE REASON -- AM I UNDERSTANDING THAT THE REASON WE ARE MAKING A CHANGE IS SO THE HOMEOWNERS THERE ALREADY CAN MAKE A CHANGE TO THEIR HOME? I HEARD YOU SAY ENCLOSURES AND SCREENED IN PORCHES, ET CETERA. IS THERE A WAY TO ALLOW FOR THE MODIFICATIONS TO BE MADE WITHOUT REZONING? >> WHEN WE -- WHEN REQUESTS XOME IN FOR A BUILDING PERMIT WE CHECK ZONING TO MAKE SURE THEY HAVE THE RIGHT ZONING AND THEY CAN DO ANY KIND OF THIS USE. THAT'S WHY THEY REQUESTED THE CHANGE. THIS IS SOMETHING WE VERIFY WHEN WE HAVE A PERMIT APPLICATION. >> COMMISSIONER BURKE? >> DOES ANYBODY KNOW, CAN Y'ALL TOUCH ON NATIONAL WET LAND REGISTRY? CAN WE TOUCH ON THAT? >> THAT IS A VERY HIGH-LEVEL LOOK AT THE PROPERTY. WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A SURVEY COME IN. WE ASK FOR A SURVEY TO COME IN. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THERE IS NOT AN ENCROACHMENT INTO THE WET LANDS. THAT'S WHAT WE DO WITH EVERY PERMIT. >> IS IT ON THE NATIONAL WET LAND REGISTRY? >> IT COULD BE. MOTHS -- MOST OF THE LAND YOU SEE IN THE COUNTY THAT IS CONSERVATION IS BASED ON TAKING DATA FROM THE WET LAND INVENTORY MAP, BUT IT DOESN'T MEAN IT IS NECESSARILY WET LANDS WHEN YOU [02:50:01] GET TO THE GROUND LEVEL AND HAVE IS SURVEYED OR DELINEATED BY A SURVEYOR. >> THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE DONE BEFORE. CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT I WAS TOLD THAT THIS HAS HAPPENED -- WE HAVE DONE THIS MULTIPLE TIMES IN THE PAST. IT IS DEFINITE DE -- AS LONG AS THE INTEGRITY OF THE PCN IS MAINTAINED, THE BOARD CAN CHANGE THE UPLANDS, IS THAT CORRECT? >> THAT IS CORRECT. STAFF CANNOT CHANGE THE PCN IN BRANEN FIELD. IT HAS TO COME BEFORE YOU FOR CHANGE. IN OTHER PARTS OF THE COUNTY THAT ARE NOT PRIMARY CONSERVATION NETWORK, AND IT IS JUST CONSERVATION, IF BE HAVE A SURVEY THAT INDICATES THAT THERE IS NO WET LANDS ON THE PROPERTY, THEY CAN BUILD ON THE PROPERTY. >> AOEUFPLS -- I'M SORRY. REAL QUICK. IS THAT -- SO THE I THINK I WANT TO GO BACK TO YOUR COMMENT JUST THEN ABOUT IF IT IS -- IF WE HAVE PROPERTY LABELED AS CONSERVATION THAT IS NOT IN THE MAGSER PLAN AND LABELED -- IN THE MASTER PLAN IT COULD BE BUILT ON IF IT HAS NO WET LANDS ON IT. I AM WONDERING HOW THAT WILL APPLY IF OUR REFERENDUM IN 24 ON CONSERVATION PASSES. OBVIOUSLY THERE WOULD BE PROPERTIES THAT ARE UNDER CONSERVATION, BUT I'M THINKING THAT MAY BE AN ISSUE. >> MY UNDERSTANDING -- >> DOESN'T NEED TO BE SOLVED TONIGHT. BUT -- >> MY UNDERSTANDING IS THERE WILL BE A TEAM PUT TOGETHER THAT WILL HAVE EXPERTS IN CONSERVATION AND WET LANDS AND EACH PARCEL CONSIDERED FOR PURCHASE WOULD BE THOROUGHLY EVALUATED OR ITS VALUE FOR CONSERVATION. IT WON'T JUST BE A HIGH-LEVEL MAP. IT WILL GO TO THE SITE AND INVESTIGATING THE SITE TO SEE ITS VALUE. >> OKAY. >> TO REITERATE, ALL OF THE GREEN, THERE IS NEVER BUILDING IN THERE, CORRECT? >> CORRECT. SOME OF THE BROWN MAY NOT -- IN THE VERY STRANGE SHAPE IN THE LAST ONE, SOME OF THE BROWN MAY NOT BE BUILDABLE. IT DEPENDS ON THE SURVEY THAT IS BROUGHT IN. >> THE ONLY WAY THERE COULD BE ANY OTHER PROPERTIES PWEUPLT IS TO -- BUILT IS TO TEAR DOWN THESE HOUSES AND BRING A SUBDIVISION IN, AND THEN YOU WOULD HAVE TO DO WHAT YOU SAID AS FAR AS MAKING A MAJOR SUBDIVISION. >> THAT IS THE ONLY WAY. YES. >> EVERYTHING THAT IS GREEN WILL REMAIN CONSERVATION AND WILL NOT BE TOUCHED. THE FIRST TWO LOTS, THEY ACTUALLY HAVE THE CONSERVATION EASE MEANT OVER THE PROPERTY. AND SO THAT IS GUARANTEED PROTECTED. THE REST IS ALL PROTECTED BY THE COUNTY'S PCN. >> ALL RIGHT. THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAVE. >> COMMISSIONER? >> I HAVE A QUESTION FOR COUNTY ATTORNEY. WE HAD A COMMENT ABOUT A POTENTIAL LITIGATION PEPPED -- PENDING OR RAOUPLER AND THEN A -- RUMOR AND THEN A COMMENT FROM A CONSTITUENT THAT SAID THIS WOULDN'T BE AN ISSUE OF PERSONAL PROPERTY RIGHTS. >> THE QUESTION ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT IS VALID OR THE COMMENT FROM THE GENTLEMAN ON THE FRONT? >> THE COMMENT FROM THE GENTLEMAN IN THE FRONT. IN OTHER WORDS, ARE WE IN VIOLATION OF PERSONAL PROPERTY RGHTS IF WE DISAPPROVE OF THIS? >> I MEAN WE LOOKED AT THAT QUESTION AND WE DO BELIEVE THEY HAVE ENTITLEMENTS TO DEVELOP ON PART OF THAT PROPERTY. >> ANY QUESTIONS? >> NO. THANK YOU. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION? I WILL ENTERTAIN THE MOTION. >> OKAY. A MEMBER LAST MEETING I REMEMBER SPEAKING TO THE RESIDENTS AND I SPECIFICALLY ASKED IF ONE DWELLING WAS AGREEABLE. I ASKED MORE THAN ONE OR TWO OF YOU. YOU SAID YES. WE ALL -- YOU KNOW, WE ALL WORKED WITH THE MR. DURANCE AND HIS DAUGHTER. I WAS EXCITED. I THOUGHT THAT WAS SOMETHING THE RESIDENTS WOULD BE HAPPY ABOUT. YES, I TOLD YOU LAST TIME, I DON'T LIKE DEVELOPMENT. RIGHT NOW, I MEAN, IT BRINGS A LOT OF MONEY TO OUR COUNTY, OF COURSE, BUT I DON'T LIKE IT. I DON'T WANT THE TREES TO COME DOWN. I DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO LOOK AT ANOTHER HOUSE. I MEAN, YOU HEARD -- I'M SORRY SURE YOU HEARD WHAT IS HAPPENING IN MY AREA. CLEARLY WE HAVE BEEN TOLD THAT WE COULD BE SUED. THEY HAVE THEIR RIGHTS. THAT'S WHAT IT MEANS. IF YOU HAVE LANDOWNER RIGHTS AND YOU ARE DENIED IT, THEN YOU HAVE A CASE. I DON'T SEE -- PERSONALLY I [02:55:05] DON'T SEE THAT THIS IS NOT A GOOD THING. IT IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO. IT IS NOT -- THAT'S WHAT IT IS. IT IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO. I AM MAKING A MOTION TO -- AS LONG AS MR. DURANT SIGNS THE LAND DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT FOR ONE SINGLE RESIDENCE, I MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THAT. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND DO WE HAVE A SECOND? >> I WILL SECOND IT. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? >> SO ONE THING I THINK IS IMPORTANT IN CONNECTION WITH THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, ACTUALLY THERE ARE TWO THINGS. ONE THE ORDINANCE THAT YOU ARE APPROVING TONIGHT IS SUBJECT TO THAT DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT BEING EXECUTED. NUMBER TWO, IN CONNECTION WITH THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, IF THE PROPERTY OWNER SHOULD TRANSFER THE PROPERTY, THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT IS REPORTED AND IT RUNS WITH THE LAND. >> RUNS IN WHAT? >> RUNS IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE LAND. >> I THINK WHAT YOU ARE SAYING IS IF THE -- IF THEY SIGN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, BUT THEY DID NOT BUILD THE HOME, BUT SOLD THE ENTIRE PROPERTY, THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WOULD STAY IN PLACE? >> CORRECT. >> OTHER DISCUSSION? >> I HAVE A COMMENT. AND JUST FOR THE PUBLIC. YOU KNOW, WE TOOK A LOOK AT THIS LAST MEETING. WE ASKED THE OWNER TO GO BACK AND FIGURE OUT EXACTLY WHAT HE WANTED TO DO BECAUSE THERE WAS A QUESTION THERE, WHICH HE DID. WE ASKED THE OWNER TO APPROACH THE NORTHEAST FLORIDA LAND TRUST WHICH THEY DID. THAT'S STILL AN OPPORTUNITY THAT HASN'T BEEN RESOLVED YET. THAT PORTION, THAT GREEN PORTION COULD GO INTO LAND TRUST AND STAY THERE FOR OF. THERE FOREVER. I THINK WE HAVE DONE OUR DUE DILIGENCE IN LOOKING OUT FOR ALL OF THE RIGHTS OF THE PEOPLE CONCERNED. >> YEAH. I JUST -- JUST LISTENING TO THE CON -- THE CONVERSATIONS TONIGHT, YOU CAN'T HELP BUT TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THE IRONY THAT IS HAPPENING HERE. YOU HAVE LAND LANDOWNERS -- YOU HAVE LANDOWNERS CONTENDING WITH A LANDOWNER. I FIND THE TONE SEEMED TO BE THE MOST DISCOURAGING ABOUT THIS. EVERYONE HAS A VOICE TO DISCUSS THESE DELICATE MATTERS, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, THERE'S -- I'M FRUSTRATED WITH THE LACK OF COURTESY IN A DISCUSSION LIKE THIS. WE ALL LIVE IN CLAY COUNTY. WHEN YOU GET CONDESCENDING TONE AND A LACK OF RESPECT FOR A FELLOW PROPERTY OWNER, IT WAS A LITTLE DISCOURAGING AND ARGUABLY IT INCENTIVIZES, AT LEAST SOME OF US UP HERE, TO EMPATHIZE WITH THE ONE THAT IS BEING TARGETED. AND IT IS FRUSTRATING BECAUSE WE WANT TO HEAR ALL SIDES AND MAKE THE DECISION THAT IS BEST FOR ALL PARTIES INVOLVED. AND WITH THIS ISSUE, WE'VE HEARD IT MULTIPLE TIMES, AND IT HAS BECOME -- IT HAS BECOME AN ISSUE THAT WE ALL CARE ABOUT. I THINK I'M -- I'M SADDENED BY THE NATURE OF THE CONVERSATIONS OR THE TONE THAT WAS TAKEN TO RESOLVE AN ISSUE THAT AFFECTS EVERYONE IN THE COUNTY. I THINK SOME VALID POINTS WERE RAISED ON BOTH SIDES. >> ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONER CELLA? >> THAT'S WHAT MAKES THIS SO DIFFICULT IN TERMS OF MAKING A DETERMINATION. I MEAN, WE'VE GOT PROPERTY OWNERS' RIGHTS, SOMEBODY THAT BOUGHT THE PROPERTY AND THE BEST WE CAN TELL, THEY DECIDED TO BUY IT BECAUSE THEY WANTED TO BUILD ON IT AND NOT BECAUSE THEY WERE BUYING CONSERVATION NETWORK PROPERTY AND WERE GOING TO HOLD IT. AS WE LOOK BACK AT SOME OF THE PREVIOUS DISCUSSIONS, AND I RESPECT EVERYBODY'S INPUT INTO MAKING THIS DECISION AND IT IS NOT AN EASY ONE TO MAKE. I CAN RECALL TO HIS POINT, I WON'T POINT OUT A PERSON, I REMEMBER, IF THE GUY IS BUILDING ONE HOUSE, I CAN LIVE WITH THAT. THAT'S CHANGED. SO JUST AS YOU'RE ACCUSING HIM OF CHANGING, THIS HAS KHAEUFPG -- THIS HAS CHANGED. MANY TIMES IN THESE REZONING [03:00:01] DISCUSSIONS WE HEAR, WELL MY REALTOR TOLD ME NO ONE WOULD BUILD HERE, OR, YOU KNOW, THIS IS -- I KNOW A LOT OF REALTORS AND I SOLD PROPERTY AND WAS A PROPERTY MANAGER FOR A LONGTIME. I KNOW THERE ARE REALTORS -- I SHOULDN'T SAY REALTORS, BUT REAL ESTATE AGENTS BECAUSE REALTORS ARE SUPPOSED TO BE HELD TO A HIGHER STANDARD AND USUALLY ARE, BUT A REAL ESTATE AGENT TELLING SOMEBODY MAYBE NOT THE FULL TRUTH OR NOT TELLING THEM THE -- SOMETHING THEY DIDN'T KNOW WHEN THEY WERE ASKED ABOUT. BOTTOM LINE IS I LOOK AT OAKLAND AND ALL OF THE OTHER LOTS THAT ARE ALL ON THE WATER THERE. AT SOME POINT YOU WOULD THINK MAYBE SOMEBODY ELSE DIDN'T THINK YOU SHOULD HAVE BUILT ON THE WATER. YOU DON'T CONTRIBUTE TO FLOODING BY HAVING ALL OF YOUR HOMES THERE AS WELL. >> EXCUSE ME. EXCUSE ME. EXCUSE ME. >> I DON'T THINK WE ARE OPEN FOR PUBLIC HEARING AT THIS TIME. I SAT VERY NICELY AND LISTENED TO EVERYONE WHO EXPRESSED THEIR VIEW AND IN FACT MADE NOTES ON EVERYBODY TO TRY TO MAKE SURE I REMINDED MYSELF WHAT YOUR POINT WAS. I THINK MY POINT IS BOTTOM LINE IS IT IS DIFFICULT, BUT AT THE SAME TIME IN THIS COUNTRY WE DO HAVE PEOPLE THAT BUY PROPERTY AND WE HAVE TO RESPECT THAT. ESPECIALLY HERE IN FLORIDA. WE HAVE A LAW THAT TALKS SPECIFICALLY ABOUT WHAT LANDOWNER'S RIGHTS ARE. IT IS DIFFICULT, BUT AT THE SAME TIME I AM RESPECTING THOSE RIGHTS AND UNDERSTANDING THAT I'M NOT SURE WHAT I WOULD HAVE DONE HAVING OWNED A HOME ACROSS THE WAY FROM THE MANATEE POINT, THE FIRST FOUR OR FIVE LOTS, BUT WHEN THE FIRST HOME WAS BUILT I WOULD HAVE ASKED QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT THEY WERE DOING. QUITE HONESTLY THEY MILKED -- QUITE HONESTLY THEY BUILT ALL THREE AND WE DIDN'T HEAR ANYTHING WHEN THOSE WERE BEING BUILT. I THINK MR. DURANCE DESERVES THE OPPORTUNITY TO SIGN THIS. IF HE DOES PRESIDENT SIGN IT DASH -- IF HE DOES PRESIDENT SIGN -- IF HE DOESN'T SIGN IT IT WILL BE A MOOT POINT AND WE WILL PROBABLY SEE YOU ALL OVER AGAIN. >> OKAY. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? ONE OF MY FAVORITES QUOTES AND I USED IT BEFORE AND YOU WILL HEAR IT AGAIN, THE LAW IS REASON FREE FROM PASSION. I LOVE THAT QUOTE BECAUSE I AM A PASSIONATE PERSON AND PRETTY EMOTIONAL IN A WAY THAT I -- MY PERSONALITY. I TRY TO LOOK AT OUR -- AT WHAT WE ARE TASKED TO WITHOUT THAT EMOTION INVOLVED. FROM THE FIRST TIME THAT THIS CAME BEFORE US TO NOW, THERE IS A LOT ABOUT THIS I AM NOT COMFORTABLE WITH. I DO -- I DO WANT TO BE RESPECTFUL OF PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHTS AND SOMEONE BOUGHT THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY AND PAID MONEY FOR THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY AND THEY OWN IT. WITHIN THE ZONING AND LAND USE THEY HAVE A RIGHT TO DO WHAT THE ZONING AND LAND USE IS. I AM NOT SURE I AM COMFORTABLE TO CHANGE THAT. AND THAT'S NOT AGAINST ANYONE WHO WILL VOTE YES. I AM JUST NOT GOING TO SUPPORT THIS TONIGHT. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? QUESTIONS? >> I JUST HAVE ONE MORE COMMENT. ANY TIME WE ENTER INTO DISCUSSION WITH EACH OTHER IN TERMS OF AN EMOTIONAL ISSUE THERE IS ALWAYS A THREAT OF LEGAL ACTION. AND SO WE HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION AS TO WHERE BEST TO SIT BECAUSE WE HAVE TO PROTECT THE COUNTY. A GENTLEMAN STOOD UP SAYING HE WILL FILE COMPLAINTS AND MAYBE LEGAL ACTION AND WE HAVE PERHAPS THE HOMEOWNER WHO MAY DO THE SAME THING BASED ON THE FACT THAT IT IS IN EFFECT IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA IT PUTS US IN A REALLY TOUGH BIND. AT SOME POINT AS COMMISSIONER SAID, YOU HOPE IT IS THE RIGHT THING AND THEN AFTER THAT WHAT HAPPENS HAPPENS, HAPPENS. CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND THAT THAT IS SOMETHING WE HAVE TO CONSIDER AS WELL AS WE MOVE FORWARD. THANK YOU. >> YEAH. NO. I AGREE, COMMISSIONER CELLA AND I COMMISSIONER WITH COMMISSIONER COMPARES' COMMENTS. IT IS DISCON CERTAINING THAT -- [03:05:02] DISCON CERTAINING -- DISCONCERTING THAT PEOPLE WILL TREAT PEOPLE LIKE THAT. IT GOES ON ON SOCIAL MEDIA ALL THE TIME AND UNFORTUNATELY THAT IS A REFLECTION OF OUR SOCIETY RIGHT NOW, BUT IT IS DISAPPOINTING. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? I WILL CALL THE QUESTION. WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CHANGE WITH THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT FOR ONE AND ONLY ONE SINGLE-FAMILY HOME ON THE PARCEL WITHIN 14 DAYS OF THE ADOPTION OF THE ORDINANCE OR THE ORDINANCE SHALL BE WREN TERRED NULL -- RENDERRED NULL AND VOID. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? IN FAVOR KATE BY SAYING -- INDICATE BY SAYING I. >> I. >> I. THE MOTION CARRIES 4-1. WE ARE MOVING ALL THE WAY BACK TO THE CONSENT AGENDA. >> I WOULD -- WHOA. 26. >> OH, MAN. SORRY ABOUT THAT. I CHECKED IT OFF PREMATURELY. OKAY. SORRY ABOUT THAT, BETH. YOU ARE STILL UP. >> IF ARE YOU LEAVING, PLEASE LEAVE QUIETLY SO WE CAN [26.  Public Hearing to consider LDC 2022-17 (B. Carson)] CONTINUE. ITEM NUMBER 26 IS A PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE 2022-17. >> THANK YOU. AGAIN, THE COUNTY IS THE APPLICANT ON THIS ONE. I KNOW IT DOESN'T SOUND RIGHT. THESE ARE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS TO ARTICLE 2 OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. LARGELY BROUGHT ABOUT BECAUSE OF OUR NEW ONLINE PROGRAMMING WHERE WE REQUIRE ALL APPLICATIONS TO BE SUBMITTED DIGITALLY. THEY ARE NO LONGER TAKING PAPER APPLICATIONS. WE CAN ACCOMMODATE THOSE WHO BRING IN PAPER APPLICATIONS. THE INTENT IS TO GO [INADDABLE]. I WILL GO THROUGH BRIEFLY SOME OF THE ITEM THAT'S WE ARE PROPOSING TO CHANGE IN THIS AMENDMENT. WE ARE PROPOSING A CHANGE TO THE EXTENSION -- AN EXTENSION TO THE REVIEW TIME BY FIVE WORKING DAYS. CURRENTLY FOR FIRST PLANNED SUBMITTAL AND WE ARE TALKING ABOUT SITE PLANS AND DEVELOPMENT PLANS. CURRENTLY IT IS 15 WORKING DAYS FOR THE PLAN REVIEW AND WE ARE ASKING FOR AN ADDITIONAL FIVE WORKING DAYS. WHEN THAT REVISION IS SUBMITTED IF THEY DON'T GET THEM PERFECT ON THE FIRST ROUND STAFF HAS FIVE WORKING DAYS TO REVIEW IT AND THAT IS A VERY SHORT PERIOD. WE ARE ASKING FOR AN ADDITIONAL 5. PART OF THE REASON FOR THIS IS BECAUSE OF THE VOLUME. THE CODE WAS CHANGED AND WE HAD SUBSTANTIALLY INCREASED VOLUME. IN PARTICULAR IN THE MASTER PLANNED AREAS, THE MASTER PLANNED AREAS ARE RATHER INTENSE POLICIES THERE IS A LOT OF DETAIL IN IT. IT WAS INTENDED TO BE A BETTER PART OF THE COUNTY AND ALL OF THESE THINGS TAKE A BIT MORE TIME TO REVIEW. ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU HAVE ALL OF YOUR PROJECTS MOSTLY IN THAT AREA, IT COMPOUNDS IT. WE ARE NOT PROPOSING ANY CHANGE TO THE TIMING FOR THE REVIEW PROCESS FOR FAST TRACK REVIEW. EVEN THOUGH WE MAY BE ASKING FOR LONGER WE CAN MAKE THESE CHANGES AND BE READY TO MAKE THEM. THERE IS LANGUAGE IN THE CODE THAT ACTUALLY STATES THAT IF WE DON'T REVIEW IT IN A CERTAIN TIME PERIOD THE PLANS ARE DEEMED APPROVED. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT CAME IN FROM THE BUILDING CODE BECAUSE IN CHAPTER 553 IF STEVE WILL CORRECT ME, IN THE PAST THERE USED TO BE LANGUAGE THAT SAID YOU HAD A CERTAIN TIME PERIOD TO APPROVE IT AND IF THERE WERE NO COMMENTS PROVIDED BY STAFF IT WAS DEEMED APPROVED. THAT WAS CHANGED BY THE STATUTE AND WE SEEK TO CHANGE IT UP IN THIS CODE AS WELL ALL APPLICANTS ARE REQUIRED TO MEET THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN STANDARDS AND LAND DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS AND ANY OTHER FEDERAL, STATE OR LOCAL REGULATIONS. IT IS THE BURDEN FOR SUBMITTING CORRECT PLANS IS ON THEM. IT IS NOT SO MUCH ON US. THEY ARE THE ONES RESPONSIBLE FOR THE CORRECT PLANS. WE ARE ALSO CHANGING LANGUAGE IN THERE TO CLARIFY THAT IT NEEDS TO BE REGISTERED BY PROFESSIONALS AS IN SURVEYORS, ENGINEERS AND WE ARE CHANGING SO DRC IS A REQUIREMENT BEFORE A [03:10:04] PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT IS SUBMITTED INSTEAD OF AFTER. THAT WAY THE INITIAL APPLICATION CAN INCLUDE ANY CHANGES THE DRC WOULD SEE FIT TO RECOMMEND SO WE DON'T HAVE MULTIPLE APPLICATIONS. WE WILL HAVE CHANGES TO THE DRI SECTIONS SO NO NEW DRI'S COULD COME IN. WE ARE ONLY ADDRESSING AMENDMENTS AND THE PLATTING PROCESS HAS SOME CHANGES IN THE LANGUAGE. THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS, I WON'T TAKE YOU THROUGH THIS BIG, LONG TABLE, BUT THE GIST IS THAT WE ARE CLARIFYING LANGUAGE TO STATE AN APPLICATION HAS TO BE DEEMED COMPLETE BEFORE IT CAN BE ACCEPTED AND FOR INSTANCE FOR ANY RESIDENTIAL TO BE COMPLETE, THE FINAL PLAN HAS TO BE APPROVED FOR THE SUBDIVISION AND A BUILDING PERMIT HAS TO BE VERIFIED BEFORE THE APPLICATION IS CONSIDERED COMPLETE AND THEN THE TIMING STARTS. SAME WOULD FOLLOW SUIT FOR SINGLE-FAMILY AND NON-RESIDENTIAL. AND THEN AT THE BOTTOM OF THIS I HAVE INCLUDED -- WE ARE NOT MAKING ANY CHANGE TO THE TIMING OF THE IMPACT FEES. I JUST INCLUDED THAT FOR YOUR INFORMATION. IMPACT FEES ARE ASSESSED AT THE TIME THE CURRENT APPLICATION IS SUBMITTED FINAL TO THE ELECTRIC SERVICE IS TURNED ON. SO THE PLANNING COMMISSION VOTED 7-0 TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THIS. THEY REQUESTED THEY GET TOGETHER WITH A BUILDER COORDINATION -- COORDINATOR. IF THEY DIDN'T HAVE A CONSEQUENCE FOR US -- IF WE TAKE AWAY THAT AUTOMATIC APPROVAL, THAT THERE WAS NO CONSEQUENCE FOR US TO GET OUR REVIEW DONE IN A TIMELY MANNER. THAT WAS THEIR RECOMMENDATION. WE THINK WE WILL BE GOING BACK TO THEM IN APRIL TO DISCUSS THAT FURTHER. IT PROMPTED STAFF TO LOOK AT OUR PROCEDURES A LITTLE BIT MORE BEFORE WE GET BACK THERE. AND ONE THING WE FOUND IS THAT WE ACCEPT PARTIAL APPLICATIONS. WE REQUIRE ARCHITECTURAL STANDARDS AND LANDSCAPE AND LIGHTING PLANS. WHAT WE HAVE DONE -- UNFORTUNATELY IT DIDN'T INCLUDE ALL OF THESE PIECES IN THE 15-DAY REVIEW AND THEN WHEN THEY COME ON THE SECOND REVIEW KWH IS A FIVE-DAY REVIEW WE ARE STUCK WITH THUPBGS -- WITH THINGS THAT NEED A MORE INTENSIVE REVIEW. WE ARE NOT GOING TO DO THAT ANY LONGER. THAT PROMPTED FURTHER CHANGES AND THE SECTIONS ARE INCLUDED HERE. ON THE AGENDA AS WELL AS IN YOUR BOOKS WE HAVE RE-ADVISED -- REVISED ARTICLE 2 TAN STKERDZ AND THE ORDINANCE THAT -- STANDARDS AND THE ORDINANCE ABOUT THEM. WITH THAT I WOULD BE HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM. >> HOW TO YOU GET ON THE FAST TRACK? >> THAT HAS TO DO IF YOU ARE PROVIDING -- DON'T QUOTE ME ON THIS, BUT I BELIEVE IF IT IS IF YOU ARE PROVIDING 75 JOBS OR AN INCREASE OF 10 PRESIDENT BUSHES -- 10% OVER YOUR CURRENT JOB BASE. IT IS AN INCENTIVE PROGRAM FOR COMPANIES TO COME IN OR FOR AN EXPANSION OF COMPANIES. >> I KNOW WE HAVE CURRENT JOBS OPEN AND WE ARE TRYING TO STAFF UP IN THE DEPARTMENTS, BUT THE NUMBER OF COMPLAINTS ABOUT THE TIME IT IS TAKING TO GET PERMITS IS INCREASING. SO ADDING TIME TO STAFF'S TIME TO REVIEW IS A LITTLE COUNTER INTUITIVE. OKAY. OTHER QUESTIONS FROM STAFF? >> MY QUESTION WAS EXTENDING TIME IS NOT GONNA -- WELL, GIVEN THE VOLUME OF REQUESTS I THINK THAT IS EXPLAINABLE, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE WE ARE BUSTING AT THE SEEMS [INAUDIBLE]. >> AND I LIKE THE NOT ACCEPT PARCEL APPLICATION. PRESENT IT TO DRC I LIKE THAT SEQUENCE. >> I WILL TELL YOU THAT JACKSONVILLE STRIVES TO GET THEIR PLANS REVIEWED IN 28 WORKING DAYS WE ARE STILL -- OBVIOUSLY AT THE HAVE MORE STAFF AND MORE PROJECTS THAN WE DO. WE ARE ASKING FOR A LITTLE LESS THAN THAT. OTHER QUESTIONS? >> YOU AND I TALKED ABOUT THIS THE OTHER DAY, BUT I KNOW THERE IS LEGISLATION IN FRONT OF OUR STATE LEGISLATURE THAT IS LOOKING TO PUT SOME EVEN TIGHTER RESTRICTIONS IN TERMS OF TIME THAT WE CAN TURN THINGS AROUND. WILL THIS PUT US CLOSER TO THAT [03:15:02] OR BETTER THAN WHAT THEY ARE GONNA PUT IN IN TERMS OF RESTRICTIONS? >> PERHAPS STEVE MIGHT BE BETTER TO TALK ABOUT THAT. WE MAY HAVE TO COME BACK TO YOU WITH MORE CHANGES AND I WILL STEP BACK AND LET HIM COME UP. >> CURRENTLY SOME OF THE BILL THAT'S ARE IN PLACE ARE AFFECTING BUILDING PERMITS AS WELL. ONE OF THE BILLS HAS A THREE-CALENDAR DAY, BUT THERE WILL BE MORE IN PLACE, AND THE BEST TIME WOULD BE IN LINE WITH EVERYTHING THEY HAVE GOT. ON THE BUILDING CODE SIDE OF IT, THERE IS A FINANCIAL PEBBLE -- PENALTY. THE PERMIT IS NOT AUTOMATICALLY ISSUED, BUT THERE IS A 10% OF THE PERMIT FEE PER DAY PENALTY. WE HAVE TO -- WE HAVE TO REDUCE THE PERMIT FEE BY 10% OR BETTER. >> I AND IF WE DON'T AFTER A CERTAIN PERIOD OF TIME WE DON'T GET IT BACK TO THEM. THEN IT AUTOMATICALLY PASSES. >> THERE IS SOME LANGUAGE IN THE LANGUAGE. >> ANYTHING ELSE. >> I WILL NOW OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. IS THERE ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON ITEM NUMBER 26, PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE CHANGES. YES, MA'AM? >> I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION. >> CAN YOU WAIT UNTIL YOU GET TO THE MICROPHONE, PLEASE. >> SORRY. MY NAME IS HELEEA. I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION. WHEN THEY ASK ABOUT THE FINAL PLANS OR THE SUBDIVISIONS AND DIFFERENT STUFF, WOULD THOSE FINAL PLANS ALSO REQUIRE THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE PARKS AND WHAT THOSE LOOK LIKE? THANK YOU. >> I AM GOING TO FIND YOUR CARD AND ADD IT TO IT. >> I GOT A LOT OF CARDS HERE TONIGHT. THEY ARE NOT ALPHABETICAL. >> IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TOE -- LIKE TO SPEAK FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM? I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND I WILL BRING IT BACK TO THE BOARD. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO ADDRESS IT? >> IF THE CODE HAS REQUIREMENTS FOR WHAT PARKS ARE SUPPOSED TO HAVE IN THEM THEY ARE REQUIRED ON THE PLANS AND IN PARTICULAR LAKE ASBURY DOES NOT REQUIRE THE PARKS HAVE ANY TYPE OF EQUIPMENT AND IN THAT CASE IT WILL BE IN THE POCKET PARKS. WE ARE IN THE MIDDLE OF A LAND DEVELOPMENT TEAMS AND THAT'S ONE OF THE ITEMS WE WOULD LIKE TO PUT FORTH TO HAVE SOME CHANGES MADE SO THERE ARE SPECIFIC STANDARDS SO THEY DON'T LOOK LIKE A LEFTOVER LOT THAT PEOPLE DON'T REALIZE IS A PARK. IT CAN BE USED BY THE NEIGHBORS. WE ARE HOPING TO HAVE THAT CHANGES. >> AND THAT IS IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE CHANGES IN JUNE? >> COMING SOON. YES. >> OTHER QUESTIONS? I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. >> MOVE FOR APPROVAL. >> WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? >> SECOND. DOES THAT INCLUDE THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION MADE? >> YEAH. IT DOES. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR INDICATE BY SAYING I. >> I. >> THOSE OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES 5-0. WE ARE BACK TO THE CONSENT AGENDA. I WILL GET THAT AFTER. [CONSENT AGENDA] IT WAS A ROUGH ONE. CONSENT AGENDA. ARE THERE ANY COMMISSIONERS WHO WOULD LIKE TO PULL ANYTHING FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA? >> DO I HAVE A CLARIFICATION SO I DON'T KNOW IF IT WILL MEAN THAT ANYONE WANTS TO PULL IT. ITEM NUMBER 17. DIDN'T REALIZE THERE IS A TYPO IN THE INFORMATION ON THE AGENDA THAT THE BACK UP THAT IS ATTACHED IS CORRECT. UNDER ITEM 17 WHERE IT SAYS 100,000 ANNUALLY, IT IS ACTUALLY 50,000 ANNUALLY. IT IS A TOTAL OF 100. THE 50,000 IS AN ADVANCED PAYMENT FOR EACH YEAR. THAT'S WHAT THE AGREEMENT REFLECTS. >> SO THEY PAY IT TWICE A YEAR. [03:20:09] SO THEY WOULD PAY AS A PRE-PAYMENT AND THEN THEY PAY THE OTHER 50,000 AT THE END OF THE YEAR AND IT JUST KEEPS THAT -- >> FOR THE NEXT YEAR. >> OKAY. >> IT IS JUST A TOTAL OF 100. >> TWICE. SO THEY PAY IT TWICE? >> NO. IT IS 50 EACH YEAR FOR A TOTAL OF 100. >> OKAY. >> FOR BOTH YEARS. >> OKAY. >> SORRY. >> IT'S OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT ITEM OR ANY OF THE OTHERS? IS THERE ANY ITEMS ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO PULL? IF NOT I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. >> MOTION TO ADOPT THE CONSENT AGENDA. >> WE HAVE A MOTION TO UH -- TO APPROVE. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? >> SECOND. >> ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR INDICATE BY SAYING I. >> I. >> MOTION -- OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES 5-0. [18.  Non-profit Funding (G. Gunn)] ITEM 18. NON-PROFIT FUNDING. >> OKAY. ALL RIGHT SO LAST MEETING WE PRESENTED THE INITIAL RECOMMENDATION FOR THE NONPROFIT FUNDING. IF YOU WILL LOOK AT THE ARPA FUNDS THAT WE WERE TRYING TO GET APPLICATIONS FOR, THIS WAS FOR $800,000. WE HAD TWO CATEGORIES, 35,000 AND 200,000. THE 35,000 CATEGORY WAS FOR DIRECT SERVICES AND SMALL PROJECTS AND THE 200,000 WAS FOR CAPITAL INVESTMENT. WHEN WE DID OUR OVERVIEW THERE WAS A TOTAL OF 27 APPLICATION THAT'S WERE RECEIVED TOTALING IN OVER $2 MILLION. WE HAD EIGHT NONPROFIT ORGANIZATIONS IN THE $35,000 CATEGORY THAT MET THAT FIRST INITIAL WAVE OF REQUIREMENT. THEN WE HAD 11 NONPROFIT ORGANIZATIONS IN THE CATEGORY FOR A LITTLE OVER -- OR FOR 1.2 MILLION. AND PER THE BOARD'S RECOMMENDATION WE INCLUDED ONE ADDITIONAL NONPROFIT THAT WAS REQUESTING $90,000. ON THE NEXT PAGE YOU WILL SEE THE $35,000 CATEGORY BASED OFF OF THE RECOMMENDATION THAT WE SPOKE ABOUT. I HAVE HAD A CONVERSATION WITH EACH INDIVIDUAL THAT IS ON THE LIST ABOUT THE QUESTIONS THAT WERE RAISED IN THE LAST MEETING OF BEING ABLE TO COMPLETE THIS PROJECT BY OCTOBER OF 2024 AND BE SERVING RESIDENTS. THIS CATEGORY WE ARE NOT RECOMMENDING THE 20% REIMBURSABLE THAT IS FOR THE 200,000 CATEGORY. ALL OF THESE WOULD BE REIMBURSABLE COSTS. THERE WOULD BE NO UP FRONT, 20% UP FRONT. ON THE $200,000 CATEGORY YOU WILL SEE THE TWO THAT ARE IN BLUE. THESE TWO ARE THE ONES THAT WE WOULD LIKE SOME FURTHER CONVERSATION ON. THE LAKE ERIE MINISTRIES WAS ADDED BECAUSE OF THE RECOMMENDATION IN THE LAST MEETING. AND THE CLOSED CLOSET AND FOOD PANTRY WAS INCLUDED BASED OFF OF THE DIFFERENT CONVERSATIONS THAT WERE HAD SINCE THE LAST MEETING WE HAD. WITH THAT ADDITION YOU WILL SEE THE INCREASE -- OR THERE WAS $667,000 IN THAT CATEGORY. THE POTENTIAL FUNDING SCENARIOS WE HAD AN INCREASE FROM ADDING THE LAKE AREA MINISTRIES AND THE CLOSED CLOSET FOOD PANTRY. IF WE STAYED WITH THE RECOMMENDATION OF 15% WITH SMALL PROJECTS AND 10% FOR CAPITAL PROJECT ITSELF WOULD TOTAL $787,871. AGAIN, ALL PROJECTS MUST BE COMPLETED BY OCTOBER OF 2024. THE STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THAT BOARDS IN THE 35,000 CATEGORY BE COST REIMBURSABLE AND THE DO00 -- THE 200,000 BE REIMBURSABLE WITH A 20% ADVANCE. STAFF IS ASKING FOR APPROVAL OF COUNTY MANAGER TO EXECUTE [03:25:03] FUNDING AGREEMENTS FOR ALL NONPROFITS. ANY QUESTIONS? >> ANY QUESTIONS FOR GABBY? >> QUESTION IN TERMS OF THE FUNDING AGREEMENTS. ARE THOSE GOING TO BE SORT OF TEMPLATE-DRIVEN SO THAT THEY ARE ALL PRETTY MUCH STANDARD? >> YES. THEY ALL HAVE TO HAVE THE ARPA REQUIREMENTS ATTACHED. >> I'M MORE WORRIED ABOUT TRYING TO GET WHATEVER NUMBER THESE ARE OUT IN A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME AND GET PEOPLE IN A POSITION WHERE THEY CAN START WORKING ON THEIR FUNDING OR WHATEVER THE PROJECT IS THEY ARE WORKING ON SO WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE DONE BY OCTOBER. >> AND THAT'S WHY WE ARE ASKING FOR THE COUNTY MANAGER TO BE ABLE TO EXECUTE. >> OKAY. THE ONLY OTHER QUESTION, I'M GLAD YOU HAVE HAD A SECOND OR MAYBE EVEN THIRD OR FOURTH CONVERSATION WITH OUR NONPROFITS THIS IS FEDERAL MONEY AND THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT DOES NOT ACCEPT THE FACT THAT THE DOG ATE THE HOMEWORK OR ANY EXCUSE. THE FOLKS THAT ARE HERE AND THAT UH -- APPLIED FOR THE MONIES, MAKE SURE IT GETS DONE. IN OCTOBER OF 2024 WHEN THE DEADLINE ROLLS, YOUR PROJECT ISN'T DONE, THAT MEANS A REIMBURSEMENT OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. YOU WILL BE LOOKING FOR THAT MONEY. COME TO US AND WE'LL COME TO YOU. WE DON'T WANT THAT TO HAPPEN. WE WANT YOU TO GET THOSE MONEY SKP-SZ PUT THEM TO GOOD -- MONIES AND PUT THEM TO GOOD USE. THAT'S WHY WE SET ASIDE THE MONEY IF THE FIRST PLACE IS TO MAKE SURE THE GROUPS IN THE COMMUNITY THAT COULDN'T ADHERE TO THE MAY TRICKS AND THE REGULATION REQUIREMENTS ARE -- AND THE M -- THE MATRIX REGULATION REQUIREMENTS WILL MAKE SURE THEY GET THEIR JOB DONE. I KNOW YOU TALKED TO EVERYBODY SEVERAL TIMES. >> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER SELES. >> I JUST HAVE A COMMENT, ALTHOUGH I AM NOT IN FAVOR OF TAXPAYER FUNDS GOING TO NONPROFITS THIS IS GOING TO PROVIDE -- AND IT IS A RARE OPPORTUNITY WE HAVE HERE. IT IS GOING TO PROVIDE INCENTIVES FOR THE NON-PROFITS TO BOLSTER THEIR FUNDRAISING PROWESS TO EXECUTE WHAT THEY SAID THEY WOULD EXECUTE WHEN WE PROVIDE 10% THE OTHER 90% HAS TO COME FROM SOMEPLACE. I AM ENCOURAGED BY THEIR ABILITY TO ACCEPT THIS AND THE CHALLENGE TO ACCEPT IT, TO CONTINUE TO RAISE FUNDS AND RAISE THAT BAR A LITTLE BIT NONPROFITS. >> YEAH I'VE LEARNED THROUGH THIS PROCESS AND COMMISSIONER BURKE SAID LAST MEETING WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THIS, WE SET SOME CRITERIA AND I'M NOT IN LOVE WITH THE CRITERIA AFTER WE HAVE SEEN IT IN ACTION. GOING FORWARD I HOPE WE CAN TWEAK SOME OF THAT. WE INADVERTENTLY INCENTIVIZED NONPROFITS WHO HAVE A LARGER PAYROLL THAN THE VOLUNTEER STAFF WHICH IN-- WHICH INHERENTLY IS NOT WHAT I WANTED TO SEE HAPPEN. AND WE INCENTIVIZED NON-PROFITS WHO HAD LARGER BUDGETS. I I UNDERSTAND THAT WE WANT TO BE GOOD STEWARDS OF THE MONEY. HOWEVER IT IS, I THINK THERE ARE PEOPLE GETTING AN UNFAIR SHARE OF MONEY BECAUSE THEY HAVE A LARGER OPERATING BUDGET THAN THOSE WHO OPERATE ON FAR LESS AND MAYBE SERVE THE SAME NUMBER OF PEOPLE. WE LEARNED A LOT. BUT WHEN WE CAME BACK DOWN TO IT, WE COULD -- YOU KNOW, I COULD LIVE WITH WHAT IT WAS BECAUSE AS A FELLOW COMMISSIONER POINTED OUT, WE AGREED TO A PROCESS AND SAID WE WOULD STICK TO IT AND I'M GONNA -- I WANT TO HONOR THAT. I VOTED YES AND I AGREED TO THAT AND I WANT TO BE TRUE TO MY WORD. I HAVE ONE REQUEST. IF WE COULD FOLLOW-UP WITH THE CLAY COUNTY EDUCATION FOUNDATION THEY ARE GETTING QUITE A BIT OF AN ANSWER AND THERE THERE WAS A SPEAKER SITS ON A COMMITTEE OF A LOCAL HIGH SCHOOL WHERE A TEACH ERB DOESN'T -- A TEACHER DOESN'T HAVE A CALCULATOR FOR CLASS BECAUSE THE CALCULATORS COST $100 APIECE AND THE TEACHER DOESN'T HAVE THE TOOL THEY WILL PROVIDE THE CALCULATORS WHICH ARE ALSO NOW USED ON THE S.A.T. AND THE ACT KIND OF THING. AND I FEEL LIKE THIS WAS CALLED [03:30:01] TOOLS FOR SCHOOLS. I UNDERSTAND THAT THEY HAVE A STORE -- WHAT THE TOOLS FOR SCHOOLS IS A STORE THAT TEACHERS CAN GO AND SHOP IN. WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IS ARE THOSE THE CALCULATORS IN THERE AND IS THERE A WAY THEY COULD UTILIZE SOME OF THIS MONEY AND THERE IS CALCULATORS FROM THE COMMITTEE THAT REALLY JUST EXIST EASY IN -- REALLY JUST EXISTS IN THE COMMUNITY. THAT'S WHY SHE WAS PROPOSING IT TO THE ROTARY CLUB TO SEE IF WE COULD DO FUND -- FUND -- FUNDRAISING FOR IT. I THOUGHT $39,,000 FOR TOOLS FOR SCHOOLS IS THERE A WAY TO MAKE SURE THEY ARE MEETING THE TEACHER'S NEEDS. IT IS NOT LIKE THEY ARE PROVIDING THESE FOR THE KIDS TO TAKE HOME AND HAVE FOREVER. IT IS TO PROVIDE THEM SO THEY CAN ACTUALLY DO THE WORK. THAT WAS THE ONE THING THAT HAPPENED BETWEEN OUR LAST TWO MEETINGS THAT MADE ME JUST ASK THE QUESTION. >> OKAY. I'LL FIND OUT. >> ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? IF NOT I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. >> MOVE FOR APPROVAL. >> SECOND. >> MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, INDICATE BY SAYING I. >> I. >> THOSE OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES 5-0. THANK YOU FOR ALL OF THOSE WE HEARD FROM ON THIS AND WE WELCOME YOUR PUBLIC INPUT. I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE REST OF THE COMMISSIONERS. MY IN BOX WAS PRETTY FULL AND WE WELCOME THAT. ITEM 19 AMENDED LIST OF T PJ O [19.  Amended List of TPO Priority Projects ( E. Lehman, C. Stewart, B. Carson)] PROJECTS -- PRIORITY PROJECTS MR. SMITH. >> GOOD EVENING. RICHARD SMITH CLAY COUNTY ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT. WHAT WE HAVE DONE IS SOME RESEARCH WITH THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE NORTH FLORIDA TPO. I LEARNED A LITTLE ABOUT THE RANKING OF PRIORITY PROJECTS AND WE WANT TO SUBMIT AN AMENDMENT TO OURS. I WILL DELIVER IT TOMORROW IF APPROVED. WE HAVE A TECHNICAL ACTIVITY COMMITTEE TOMORROW. IT INVOLVES TAKING COUNTY ROAD 217 AND MOVING IT UP TO PRIORITY NUMBER 4 ON OUR LIST. AND THE ONLY CHANGE FROM WHAT YOU SEE IN THE DISCUSSION THIS AFTERNOON WITH MR. SHEFFIELD, THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR WE ARE TAKING COUNTY ROAD 218 TO STATE ROAD 228 WHICH IS NORMANDY BOULEVARD. THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THAT IS ON THE UNFUNDED PRIORITY LIST OF THE ENTIRE FOUR-COUNTY AREA, STATE ROAD 228 FROM THE QUESTION AT CENTER TO U.S. 301 IS THE NUMBER ONE PRIORITY. 217 IS THE MAJOR OF A HEAVILY-USED CUT THROUGH ESPECIALLY DURING SOME DETOUR PROCEDURES THAT THE FLORIDA DOT DOES WHEN THEY HAVE A TEST -- THEY CONSTRUCTED A TEST TRACK OF THE PAVEMENT. IT IS THE 301 AND 218 INTERSECTION. IT IS AN ACTIVE LABORATORY WHERE THEY WILL PUT PAVEMENT DOWN AND HAVE ACTUAL TRAFFIC ON IT AND WHEN THEY DO THAT THEY HAVE TO SHIFT TRAFFIC. THERE IS A DETOUR AND THE STATE ROAD 21. WE FEEL THIS WILL MOVE UP THE PRIORITY LIST FOR FUNDING. WE WILL ALSO PURSUE OTHER AVENUES TO GET FUNDING FOR THIS ROAD. >> TPH*EUG -- ANYTHING ELSE ON THIS PROPOSAL? IF NOT I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION? >> ACTUALLY, MADAM CHAIR. >> SURE. >> DISCUSSING WITH DEBBIE AND RICHARD IS THE CIP AND AS WE ARE LOOKING IT WILL COMPLETE THE ROAD CONNECTION FOR A NUMBER OF ROADS. IT GOES TO THE FIRST YEAR ON THE BOARD AND THAT IS AT LEAST FIVE YEARS. AS A MATTER OF FACT I WAS THE ONE THAT UNCOVERED THE IMPACT FEES THAT WERE COLLECTED AND SITTING THERE. NO ONE KNEW ABOUT IT. THE CLERK AND OUR MU CONTROLLER WERE ABLE TO DO A PAINFUL SEARCH AND WE WERE ABLE TO MAKE IT CLEAR. TODAY THEY INDICATED TO ME THAT THOSE MONIES MIGHT BE LEAVING THE PROJECT TO GO TO 315 AND THE [03:35:03] NEW ELEMENTARY SCHOOL ACROSS FROM WILLOW CREEK. I CAN'T REMEMBER THE NAME OF IT OR THE MASCOT. I WOULD REFER TO IT AS THE MASCOT. >> SPRING PARK ELEMENTARY. >> I CALL IT ELEMENTARY SCHOOL R. >> X, Y, Z, R, DOESN'T MATTER. I WAS TOLD THAT'S WHERE THE MONIES WOULD GO DEPENDING ON WHICH WAS THE FIRST ONE TO BE OFF THE DRAWING BOARD AND TAKEN. WE DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO DO BOTH PROJECTS. AND IF THAT WAS THE CASE, IT WOULD NEED TO BE ON HERE AND I NEED SOME ASSURANCES THAT WE ARE ACQUIRING MONIES TO DO THAT. >> LET ME CLARIFY AND I WILL DEFER TO THE COUNCIL. >> WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO LOOK INTO THIS. >> THIS IS THE SECOND TIME WE HAD A TAP OUT. IT IS LIKE THE WORLD WRESTLING FEDERATION. >> SO I THINK THE -- I THINK THS TO RICHARD AND THE BUDGET TEAM THERE IS NOT ENOUGH MONEY TO DO THE IMPACT. WE WILL HAVE A PLAN SET ASIDE TO FUND BOTH PROJECTS. WE MAY TAKE MONEY OUT OF THE CIP AND THE OTHER FUNDING AVAILABLE, BUT WE WILL HAVE A PLAN AT THE WORKSHOP. >> I APPRECIATE THAT. THE BOTTOM LINE IS I SUPPOSE IT'S -- I MEAN, I KNOW HOW TIGHT THE CIP IS AND IT IS PUSHED OUT A NUMBER OF YEARS. WE HAVE TO PUT THIS THING IN TOMORROW. >> I WOULD SAY WE CAN COVER THE CIP UNLESS YOU DESIRE TO PUT IT ON THE TPO LIST. >> I WANT IT TO BE DONE. WHATEVER WHICH WAY IT NEEDS TO GET THERE, BUT FROM THE TIME CONSTRAINT -- >> WHICH IS MOST EXPENSIVE? I WANT TO DO THE CHEAPER ONE. >> TO FURTHER EXPAND ON THAT -- >> YOU HAVE TO DO ONE OR THE OTHER. WITH THE SCHOOL, THE SCHOOL HAS TO BE DONE. >> WE WILL GET A BID, A PRICE TOMORROW. OUR EARLY INDICATIONS IS WE WILL BE IN BUDGET WITH WHAT WE ALLOCATED ORIGINALLY. THE ISSUE IS THE SCHOOL BOARD'S CONTRIBUTION HAS TO GO THROUGH THEIR PROCESS. WE HAVE TO SHOW THAT WE HAVE THE TOTAL AMOUNT WHEN WE INCOME BETTERED THE TOTAL -- INCUMBERED TOTAL AMOUNT AND IT IS UP IN THE NEXT MEETING THEY HAVE AND IT WILL GET APPROVED AND THEN THE MONEY WILL COME TO US AND THAT WILL REIMBURSE THAT FUND. >> WELL, THEY MEET LATER THIS WEEK. THEY MEET THURSDAY NIGHT. >> THE AGREEMENT IS NOT -- I MEAN -- RIGHT. WE ARE STILL WAITING ON PERMITTING AND APPROVAL IN ORDER TO FIGURE OUT THE -- >> OKAY. >> WHAT WE WILL BE ABLE TO DO. >> SO IT WOULD GO TO THE APRIL SECONDSTH MEETING? >> WE ARE HOPEFUL, BUT IT MIGHT NOT MAKE IT UNTIL MAY. WE NEED TO BE WORKING BY THEN. >> THAT HAS A REAL DEAD -- DEADLINE. THE SCHOOL OPENS IN AUGUST. WE ARE PUSHING FOR THAT. >> THEY TOLD RICHARD HE WILL BE THE KROG -- THE CROSSING GUARD IF HE DOESN'T GET THAT. >> THAT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING. WE THINK WE ARE OKAY. BUDGETARILY, WE NEED -- IT IS LIKE A PAYDAY LOAN. UNTIL WE GET THE PAYCHECK FROM THE SCHOOL BOARD. >> COMMISSIONER CELLA I WANT TO CLARIFY WHAT I SAID. I WANT TO PUT THE CHEAPER ROAD ON OUR CIP AND IMPACT FEES AND PUT THE MORE EXPENSIVE ROADS ON THE TPO LIST. I SHOULD CLARIFY. I WASN'T SAYING I WANT TO PAY THE CHEAPER ROAD. >> EYE -- I UNDERSTOOD WHAT YOU MEANT. >> I WANT TO MAXIMIZE OUR STATE AND FEDERAL DOLLARS. >> THE RADAR ROAD ON THE TPO LIST IS NOT A -- THAT'S A GOOD IDEA, ACTUALLY IT DOES CONNECT THE STATE ROUTE 15. WE CALL IT U.S. 17. IT DOES TOUCH THAT. THAT IS ALWAYS LOOKED UPON MORE FAVORABLY WE FOUND OUT. >> SO RICHARD IN THAT LIGHT, CAN WE ASK THEM TO -- YOU KNOW, WE ALREADY HAVE -- THEY ASKED US TO PUT U.S. 17 WIDENING TO SIX LANES ON THE LIST. CAN WE ADD TO THAT, RADAR ROAD? >> YES. I KNOW THE RADAR -- WE CAN CERTAINLY ADD THE RADAR ROAD INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS. THE INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS THAT PORTION OF THE PROJECT IS PUSHING OVER A MILLION DOLLARS. THAT IS A VERY GOOD IDEA. [03:40:03] IN FACT, HAD THERE BEEN PROPER ALIGNMENT WE ARE TOLD WITH THE PRIVATE ROAD ON THE EASTSIDE OF 17, THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN INCORPORATED IN THE CURRENT TRIPLE-R THAT THE DOT IS DOING FOR 17, BUT THEY WOULD HAVE HAD TO MODIFY THE MEDIAN BREAK. ANY TIME YOU MODIFY A MEDIAN BREAK ON A STATE ROUTE WHICH IS CLOSE IT AND MAKE IT SO YOU CAN ONLY TURN LEFT AND RIGHT, THAT REQUIRES A PUBLIC HEARING AND THEY DID NOT HAVE ONE. THEY DIDN'T HAVE TIME -- THEY DIDN'T HAVE THE PROCESS TO DO IT. THAT'S A GOOD ADD. WE CAN DISCUSS THAT TOMORROW. >> COMMISSIONER CELLA, WOULD THAT BE ACCEPTABLE TO YOU? >> WELL, DEPENDING ON WHERE IT GOES ON THE LIST BECAUSE I KNOW IF IT IS FAR ENOUGH DOWN THE LIST -- I'LL BE RETIRED AND MY GRANDSON WILL BE SITTING HERE. >> ACTUALLY THEY INDICATED TO ME THESE FIVE ROADS WOULD BE DONE IN THE NEXT FIVE YEARS. >> EXACTLY. >> THE U.S. 17 -- >> YOU ARE NOT THAT OLD. >> EXACTLY. BUT MY POINT BEING THAT ROAD HAS BEEN SITTING THERE WAITING TO BE DONE FOR FIVE YEARS ALREADY. >> BUT WHAT THEY -- LET ME CLARIFY. WHEN I WENT TO THE TPO BOARD MEETING AND COMMISSIONER BURKE TELL ME IF I HEARD THIS WRONG. WHAT THEY SAID IS THE LIST -- IT IS 20 ROADS THE TPO WILL ADOPT IN APRIL. >> SO MANY FROM EACH. >> AND WE GET FIVE OF THOSE 20. WHERE YOU ARE ON THAT LIST IS NOT -- IT IS NOT MEANINGFUL. SO THE ROADS ARE WHAT THE ROADS ARE AND DOT CHOOSES WHEN THEY DO THEM. >> FIVE YEARS. LIKE I SAID. >> I AM JUST SAYING. >> MAD -- MADAM CHAIR? >> YES. >> THAT'S MY CONCERN FROM A BUDGED TERRY STANDPOINT IF WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PROJECT BECAUSE WE WANT TO GET THE PROJECT DONE NOW, HAVE WE USED UP ONE OF OUR IN THEIR WORK PLAN? THAT'S WHERE THE DISCUSSION NEEDS TO BE. >> THE TIMING IS SUCH THAT -- IS THIS -- IS TOMORROW THE DEADLINE? >> NO. >> CAN WE WAIT UNTIL MARCH 14TH TO SEE HOW THINGS WORK OUT WITH THE CIP? >> WELL, I THINK THE MEETING IS WHERE IT IS ADOPTED TOMORROW IS THE TECHNICAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE. WE, OUR GROUP, THREE REPRESENTATIVE FROM EACH OF THE OTHER MUNICIPALITIES AND THE PORT AUTHORITY, WE CREATE THE LIST. THEY JUST ACT ON IT. WE WILL ACT ON A LIST AND WE HAVE ONE MORE MARCH TO FINALIZE IT AND THEN PRESENT IT TO THEM. CURRENTLY U.S. 17 WIDENING TO SIX LANES FROM TOWN CENTER BOULEVARD IS 11TH ON THEIR LIST. THAT'S NOT REALLY -- WE KNOW FROM DISCUSSIONS WITH THE DOT URBAN PLANNER FOR DISTRICT 2 JIM KNIGHT THAT IT IS WAY HIGH ON HIS LIST. IT IS MUCH HIGHER THAN ANYTHING ON CLAY COUNTY. NUMBER TWO ON THAT LIST IS THE 220 FROM BAXLEY TO LANDING BOULEVARD. >> SO YOU NEED TO KNOW BY TOMORROW? >> I THINK IT IS EASY TO ADD THAT PORTION. AT LEAST THE INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS TO THE 17 -- TO THE U.S. 17 PROPOSAL. >> ARE YOU -- WHAT IS YOUR CONCERN THERE? >> MY CONCERN IS THAT IT WILL BE ANOTHER FIVE YEARS BEFORE IT GETS DONE WHEN IT WAS -- >> BEFORE THE INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS ARE DONE. BUT IF WE DO IT FROM OTHER FUNDING -- I GUESS THAT'S WHAT I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING. IF RICHARD PUTS IT ON THE TPO LIST TO PUT INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS FROM RADAR ROAD SOUTH TO THE NUMBER 3, U.S. 17 WIDENING IF HE DOES THAT WITH THE INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS IN THERE AND THEN WE -- >> WELL, PART OF THE INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS IS SIGNALIZATION, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT WILL HAPPEN. >> IT IS NOT GOING TO BE A FULL LEFT OUT, BUT IT WILL BE SINNALIZED FOR LEFT TURNING TRAFFIC ON TO RADAR ROAD. THE PEOPLE ON RADAR ROAD ARE NOT ABLE TO TURN LEFT. >> YEAH. >> SO THERE IS A LEVEL OF SIGNALIZATION. IT IS NOT A FULL SERVICE INTERSECTION. >> RIGHT. BUT IT IS ALSO NOT A TRAFPG LIGHT -- TRAFFIC LIGHT. >> THE TRAFFIC WILL BE STOPPED. THE SOUTHBOUND TRAFFIC WILL BE STOPPED BETWEEN EAST/WESTPARK WAY ON RADAR ROAD FOR A LEFT TURNING VEHICLE GOING TO THE PARK OR THE CHURCH OR DOWN RADAR ROAD TO TOWN CENTER BOULEVARD TO PASS FREELY. THEY WILL HAVE A GREEN ARROW. [03:45:05] IT WILL BE A SIGNALIZED CONTROLLED SECTION. >> THAT'S INCLUDED IN YOUR ESTIMATE IN THE CIP NOW? >> YES. >> THAT'S INCLUDED IN THAT. THAT'S ALSO BEING DESIGNED. THE DESIGN HAS BEGUN ON THAT. OUR CONSULTANT IS DRAWING THE PLANS NOW ON RADAR ROAD. >> RIGHT. >> SO WE ARE HOPING TO GET THOSE READY FOR PROCUREMENT PROBABLY JANUARY OF 24. >> THE PROBLEM IS YOU ARE GOING TO CREATE A BIGGER MESS BY NOT HAVING THE INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS DONE WHEN THE PAVING IS DONE. >> THE OTHER ISSUE YOU HAVE -- >> SO PEOPLE FROM TAKING A LEFT HAPPENED TURN IN SIX LANES OF TRAFFIC IN FRONT OF THE CHURCH. IF YOU DON'T PUT THAT IN WHEN YOU PUT IN THE SMOOTHER ROAD PEOPLE WILL USE THAT IN A MANNER IN WHICH IT WILL CAUSE MORE PROBLEMS INSTEAD OF LESSENING THE PROBLEM. >> THE OTHER ISSUE WE HAVE AND I AM NOT REALLY FAMILIAR WITH THIS AND MAYBE COURTNEY CAN HELP IS THE INTER MINGLING OF FEDERAL DOLLARS. ONCE YOU PUT THE MONEY IN YOU DON'T REALLY -- IT IS DIFFICULT TO ADD TO IT. WE ARE FINDING THAT OUT ON THE DOT SAFETY GRANT PROGRAM. >> THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. WE PAVE IT, BUT WE ARE WAITING FOR THE TPO TO COME UP WITH THE MONEY TO PUT THE SIGNALIZATION AND IMPROVEMENTS -- WE ARE GOING TO ROLL THE DICE AND SEE IF WE CAN GET IT OUT. I DON'T WANT TO TAKE UP ANOTHER ONE OF THE SLOTS. IF THERE IS A CHANCE WE CAN DO THAT. I CAN TELL YOU I HAVE TWO YEARS LEFT AND I WILL BE LIKE A PIT BULL UNTIL THAT THING IS DONE. SO I'M GOOD TO GO WITH THE TPO LIST AS MOTIONED. >> SO WE ARE NOT -- I WAS GONNA COMMISSIONER BURKE TO AMEND HER MOTION. SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR INDICATE BY SAYING I. >> I. >> THOSE OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES 5-0. [20.  Partial Lien Reduction Request - 1468 Creeks Edge Court] ITEM NUMBER 20, PARTIAL LIEN REDUCTION REQUEST. >> YES. SO THIS IS A REQUEST THAT'S BEEN BROUGHT TO US. IT IS BROUGHT BY A PERSPECTIVE PURCHASER AND WHAT IS UNIQUE ABOUT THIS IS THE LIEN THAT IS AT ISSUE ON THIS PROPERTY IS A LIEN THAT ATTACHED TO THE PROPERTY AS A RESULT OF A VIOLATION ON ANOTHER PIECE OF PROPERTY. WE SET FORTH IN THE MEMO THE SPECIFICS BECAUSE IT IS SORT OF A COMPLICATED UNIQUE WAY THAT IT IS COMING BEFORE YOU, BUT THE PURCHASER RECEIVED THE PROPERTY THROUGH A -- OR THE PERSPECTIVE -- NO. THE SELLER RECEIVED THE PROPERTY THROUGH A FORECLOSURE ACTION. THE FORECLOSURE WAS AS A RESULT OF A COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION LIEN AND THEREFORE THEY DID NOT WIPE OUT ANY OF THE OTHER LIENS LIKE A NORMAL MORTGAGE FORECLOSURE WOULD DO. WHEN THE PROPERTY OWNER BOUGHT IT AND RECEIVED THEIR CERTIFICATE OF TITLE IN ORDER TO FLIP THE PROPERTY WHICH THEY HAVE DONE IMPROVEMENTS AND ARE NOW GOING TO SELL IT TO THE PERSPECTIVE PURCHASERS, OUR LIEN DID SHOW UP ON THE TITLE REPORT. THEY THEREFORE HAVE OUR LIEN TO SATISFY AS WELL AS THE MORTGAGE. I DO BELIEVE COUNSEL IS HERE ON BEHALF OF THE PERSPECTIVE BUYERS. AT THIS POINT THE LIEN THAT IS ON THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS $180,000. YOU PREVIOUSLY RELEASED $4,000 FROM THE LIEN WHEN YOU ALLOWED THE OTHER VIOLATING PROPERTY A PERSPECTIVE PURCHASER TO BUY IT. IT WAS BUYING IT OUT FROM UNDER THE LIEN BECAUSE YOU KNEW THIS PROPERTY EXISTED AS SECURITY FOR THE LIEN. >> OKAY. >> AND WE DID THAT ON -- DO YOU HAVE A DATE WHEN WE DID THAT? >> THAT WAS DONE AUGUST 22. >> OKAY. >> MR. SMITH ARE YOU THE AGENT? >> YES, I AM. >> THANKFULLY. I WOULD HAVE MESSED UP BECAUSE THERE IS NO PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM AND I FORGOT TO ASK YOU. THANK YOU FOR YOUR CARD, BUT I WILL PUT THAT YOU ARE THE APPLICANT AGENT. >> YES. I AM HOWARD SMITH. I AM REPRESENTING THE APPLICANTS ON THIS ONE. AS MS. GRIMM SAID -- MAY I SPEAK? IS THIS GOOD? >> UH-HUH. >> JUST TO PUT IT IN PERSPECTIVE THEY BOUGHT IT AT A HOMEOWNER ASSOCIATION FORECLOSURE. [03:50:02] SHE DID MAKE A MISTAKE ON THIS. SHE THOUGHT SHE WAS BUYING A BANK FORECLOSURE AND SHE DIDN'T. SHE SPENT A LOT OF MONEY ON IT AND IS REALLY LOSING MONEY COMPLETELY ON THIS DEAL. AND SHE ASKED ME TO COME IN AND REPRESENT HER ON THIS TO GET THIS THING CLEARED UP. THERE'S CURRENTLY $180,000 LIEN ON THIS PROPERTY. THE LIEN THAT OCCURRED ON THE OTHER PROPERTY WHICH WAS CALLED BEAR RUN WAS A ROLLING LIEN FOR VIOLATIONS OF DILAPIDATED PORCH AND OVERGROWN GRASS AND THINGS LIKE THIS. SO THEY -- YOU KNOW AS THESE ROLLING LIENS WILL ACCUMULATE. IN THIS CASE THERE WAS $25 A DAY SINCE 2 SW-R 15 AND THE OTHER -- 2015 AND THE OTHER WAS $75 SINCE 2015. THERE IS CURRENTLY STILL, AFTER THE BEAR RUN PROPERTY THEY ENTERED INTO A LIEN REDUCTION AGREEMENT AND AGREED TO FIX UP AND THEY CURED THE CODE VIOLATIONS ON THE OTHER PROPERTY AND THEY PAID A $4,000 FINE. IF YOU LOOK AT THE SUMMARY IT WAS THE STAFF COSTS INVOLVED IN THIS. THE CITY HAS BEEN THERE OR THE COUNTY HAS BEEN MADE WHOLE BY ANY STAFF. THE LIENS DIDN'T GO AWAY AND IT ATTACHES TO OTHER PROPERTY THAT'S THIS COUPLE OWNED THAT HAD THE VIOLATIONS ON BEAR CREEK. ONE OF THEM WHICH IS THE PROPERTY MY CLIENT IS TRYING TO SELL RIGHT NOW. THERE IS A LIEN ON -- THEE -- SHE WILL NOT NET ANY MOVEMENT -- ANY MONEY. SHE IS LOSING MONEY ON THE DEAL. WHAT WE ARE ASKING IS BASICALLY SIMILAR TO WHAT HAPPENED BEFORE ENTERING INTO A LIEN REDUCTION AGREEMENT FOR THIS PROPERTY. I FEEL LIKE THE FINES WERE MADE FOR THE ACTUAL VIOLATIONS ON THE OTHER PROPERTY AND THIS IS JUST SORT OF FINE MONEY THAT IS SITTING OUT HERE BUT IT HASN'T GONE AWAY THE WAY THEY DO WITH THE LIEN. ANY QUESTIONS? >> NOT FOR THE APPLICANT, BUT THE PROCESS. WHEN WOULD THE LEAN -- LIEN HAVE BEEN PLACED? >> THE LIEN WOULD HAVE BEEN PLACED BACK IN -- THERE ARE TWO ACTUAL LIENS SO THE FIRST AND THE SECOND WAS 2018. >> I KNOW. FOLLOWING THROUGH THE LIEN TO THIS OTHER PROPERTY. IS THAT A LEGAL -- DID WE FILE A LEGAL LIEN AGAINST THE THIRD PROPERTY? >> DID THE HOA KNOW THERE WAS A LEAN AGAINST THE PROPERTY? >> I DON'T KNOW. PWHRUT -- BUT IT WOULDN'T MATTER TO THEM BECAUSE THEY WOULDN'T HAVE WANTED TO -- OUR LIEN WOULD HAVE TAKEN PRECEDENT OVER THEIRS. >> WHEN SHE PURCHASED THIS THROUGH THE ASSOCIATION FORECLOSURE SHE TOOK IT TO THE MORTGAGE. >> THERE WAS A LIEN -- THERE WAS A FOLLOW-UP LIEN ON THIS PROPERTY? >> YES. SHE CHOSE NOT TO KNOW ABOUT IT. SHE DIDN'T DO HER DUE DILIGENCE THERE. >> WELL, I GUESS THAT IS THE GIST OF MY QUESTION. A TITLE SEARCH WOULD HAVE SHOWN IT. >> WHAT IS THE AMOUNT OF THE MORTGAGE? YOU KEEP SAYING SHE IS NOT GOING TO MAKE ANY MONEY. >> AFTER SHE PAYS OFF THE MORTGAGE SHE WILL -- YOU KNOW IT IS A PRIVATE BUSINESS TRANSACTION. BUT -- SO IT HELPS US TO UNDERSTAND. THIS PROPERTY IS WORTH $400,000 AND WE HAVE $180,000 LIEN THAT IS OWED TO THE COUNTY. [03:55:02] AND SO THAT SAYS TO ME THAT THERE IS I AM THINKING $300,000. AND SO THAT IS WHAT I AM TRYING TO UNDERSTAND IS WHAT DID SHE HAVE TO PAYOFF AND WHAT HAS SHE PUT INTO IT. AND THERE IS A DIFFERENCE HERE IN -- YOU KNOW, WE VERY FREQUENTLY GET PEOPLE WHO COME TO US AND THEY HAVE $100,000 AND IT IS WORTH $30,000 AND THAT IS WHERE WE END UP SETTLING FOR STAFF COSTS AND THIS PROPERTY IS WORTH $400,000 AND THERE IS $180,000 LIEN ON IT. THAT'S A VERY DIFFERENT SCENARIO FOR US IN TAXPAYER DOLLARS. >> THE CONTRACT IS $449,000. THE MORTGAGE IS IN THE -- I DON'T HAVE -- I DIDN'T BRING A STATEMENT WITH ME. I APOLOGIZE. THE RANGE IS $380,000. THE FELLOW THAT OWNED IT BEFORE DIDN'T PAY IT FOR 10 YEARS. SO INTEREST HAD BEEN ACCRUE -- ACCRUING. IT IS ABOUT -- >> CAN I ASK A QUESTION THOUGH. ARE YOU 100% SURE ABOUT THAT? THE MORTGAGE FORECLOSURE ACTION THAT WAS ORIGINALLY FILED ONLY LISTED THE AMOUNT OF UNPAID PRINCIPAL AS 150,000. >> WELL, BUT WHAT WAS THE DATE OF THE DEFAULT ON THAT? >> WELL, SO THIS WAS THE ACTION THAT WAS FILED BACK IN 2016. >> I THINK THEY WENT IN IN 2012. I DON'T HAVE THAT IN FRONT OF ME RIGHT NOW. >> IT IS THE UNPAID PRINCIPAL OF 150. >> THE ORIGINAL MORTGAGE WAS THAT AMOUNT. HE DIDN'T PAY IT FOR 10 YEARS. THE BANK DOESN'T JUST FORGIVE THAT KIND OF MONEY. THEY ACCRUE THE INTEREST AND ANY TAXES THAT HAD TO BE PAID AND ANY KIND OF INSURANCE THAT WASN'T PAID BECAUSE THE OWNER WASN'T PAYING A MORTGAGE PAYMENT. ALL OF THIS IS ACCRUED. I'M SORRY I DIDN'T BRING A SETTLEMENT STATEMENT. BUT I CAN TELL YOU AFTER BE -- AFTER WE PAY THE MORTGAGE AND EVERYTHING ELSE, THE CLOSING COSTS, IT IS GOING TO BE ABOUT $50,000. SHOW -- SHE TOLD ME SHE PUT $100,000 INTO IT ALREADY. SHE IS TAKING IT ON THE CHIN ON THIS. AND SOME OF IT IS HER OWN FAULT FOR NOT HAVING INVESTIGATED THIS IN THE FIRST PLACE. YES. SHE WENT INTO IT AS AN AMATEUR AND INVESTED IN THIS AND ENDED UP ON THE BACK END AND DIDN'T REALIZE SHE HAS A HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION FORECLOSURE WHICH MEANS IT IS SUBJECT TO THE EXISTING MORTGAGE ON THE PROPERTY. SHE DID MESS UP ON THIS ONE. >> WHAT DID SHE PAY FOR IT? I THOUGHT YOU SAID -- SO SHE PAID -- >> SHE MADE -- SHE PAID 100 SOMETHING. >> THE ASSOCIATION LIEN OR JUDGMENT WAS AROUND $10,000. BUT THERE WAS COMPETITIVE BIDDING AT THE FORECLOSURE SALE. >> SHE HAD 136,000 PLUS ANOTHER IN IT AND SHE PUT MONEY INTO IT. SHE IS AT THE END OF THE DAY LOSING MONEY ON THIS WHOLE THING. AND AGAIN, I KNOW SHE MADE A MISTAKE WHEN SHE DID ALL OF THIS. NO QUESTION ABOUT THAT. ONE OF THIS IS THERE IS A LIEN OF $180,000, BUT THAT IS REALLY SORT OF -- THE ACTUAL EXPENSES THAT THE COUNTY INCURRED WERE ALREADY PAID WHEN THERE WAS A -- >> OKAY. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. >> I'M SORRY. >> I UNDERSTAND. YOU KNOW, TECHNICALLY YOU GET THREE MINUTES. YOU HAVE MADE YOUR ARGUMENT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE AGENT OR FOR COURTNEY? ALL RIGHT. I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. >> I WILL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE REDUCE THE FINE TO $25,000. >> WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SEEING NONE THE MOTION FAILS FOR LACK OF A SECOND. >> I WANTED TO SPEAK ON IT. >> I'M SORRY. I WENT TOO FAST. >> I HAVE A QUESTION. YOU KEEP STATING THAT SHE EXPECTS TO NET $50,000 AND THE CONCERN I HAVE IS THE PITCH IS TO ALLOW HER TO BE THE DEFENSE -- >> I'M SORRY. FOR WHAT? >> ALLOWING IGNORANCE TO BE HER DEFENSE. AND I FIND THAT TO BE PROBLEMATIC. WE HAVE HEARD A LOT TONIGHT ABOUT PRECEDENCE, HAVEN'T WE? AND I'M A LITTLE HESITANT TO MOVE ON THIS IN A WAY THAT'S FAVORABLE TO HER AND NOT BECAUSE OF WHAT WE ARE LOOKING AT SETTING ON THE RECORD IN A WAY [04:00:01] TO MOVE FORWARD. SO YOU SAY HALF. >> WE ARE GOING FOR $180,000 TO 25,000. >> WELL, HALF OF WHAT SHE PLANS TO NET. >> I DON'T CARE ABOUT THAT. HAVE YOU AN OPERATION THAT SHOULD BE A PROFESSIONAL OPERATION AND SHE IS AN INVESTOR. IF SHE DOESN'T KNOW WHAT SHE IS DOING, WHY SHOULD WE SUFFER FOR THAT? WE ARE GOING TO. WE ARE NOT COUNTING MY TIME UP HERE TONIGHT. >> NOR AM I. I AM DOING THIS AS A FAVOR. >> YOU ARE COUNTING OUR TIME. 4,000 IS STAFF, YOU KNOW, FORM FILLING OUT AND THINGS LIKE THAT. YOU KNOW, HERE WE ARE DISCUSSING FIVE OF US, SEVEN OF US AND THERE IS MORE COUNTING COSTS THAN THE 4,000. >> MAY I -- >> NO, SIR. I HAVE TO BRING IT -- IT IS JUST WITH THE BOARD RIGHT NOW. I HAVE A MOTION. BEFORE I SAID IT DIED FOR LACK OF A SECOND, COMMISSIONER COMPERES STOPPED THE CONVERSATION. DO YOU WANT TO SECOND THE MOTION? >> NO. >> SO IT DIES FOR LACK OF A SECOND. I WILL ENTERTAN ANOTHER MOTION. >> CAN I ASK A QUESTION? IT IS NOT IN MY BACK UP, BUT QUITE HONESTLY WITH THESE LIEN REDUCTIONS IT IS, BUT DO WE HAVE THE MAGISTRATE LOOK AT THIS? >> THEY WENT AROUND IT. >> NO BECAUSE WITH IT BEING A PERSPECTIVE PURCHASER IT DOESN'T HAVE TO GO -- >> IT CON GO STRAIGHT TO US? IT IS NOT A PERSPECTIVE. I THOUGHT SHE BOUGHT IT. >> NO. THERE IS A PERSPECTIVE PURCHASER FROM -- THE ACTUAL APPLICANT IS -- >> REDUCTION AGREEMENT ON THE ACTUAL AGREEMENT IT -- IT IS THE RESIGH TALL -- DASH RECITALE. -- IS THAT RIGHT? >> IT IS THE FIRST LINE WHERE IT SAYS WHEREAS -- THAT'S THE NEW -- THAT'S THE PERSPECTIVE OWNERS OR THE PER SPEC TIFF BUYERS -- PERSPECTIVE BUYERS WHO ARE TECHNICALLY ASKING -- >> THEY ARE LOOKING FOR -- >> SO THE RIGHT QUESTION I THINK AND I DON'T WANT TO PUT WORDS IN YOUR MOUTH, BUT I -- THE QUESTION THAT POPPED UP IN MY HEAD IS WHO WILL ACTUALLY PAY THE MONEY. BECAUSE IF WE GOT -- >> PREVIOUSLY WE HAD SOMEBODY TO SHORT CIRCUIT THE PROCESS -- THEY ENDED UP DOING IT AND CUTTING THE DEAL. >> MY UNDERSTANDING HERE IS THAT THE HOUTSS -- THE HOUSES WILL PAY THE $449,000 AND 4* -- AND KATHLEEN -- SHE WILL -- IT JUST HAS TO COME OUT OF THE 449. >> OKAY. IT WOULD BE PART OF THE SETTLEMENT STATEMENT. YOU CAN GET ANYTHING THIS POINT IN TIME. I WILL SAY TO TRY AND MOVE THIS FORWARD AND UNDERSTAND HIS CLIENT'S SITUATION. AND THE FACT THAT THIS HOME HAS BEEN PUT BACK ON THE RIGHT. I WOULD SAY I WOULD DO A SECOND PASS OF STAFF AND REDUCE THE LANE $4,000. [04:05:03] >> OKAY WITH EMOTION $4,000 TO BE HAVE A SECOND? >> SECOND. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR INDICATE BY SAYING AYE. >> AYE. >> THOSE OPPOSED? >> AYE. >> MOTION FAILS I WILL ENTERTAIN ANOTHER MOTION. GOING ONCE QUICK DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT HERE. >> YOU ARE OUT OF MOTIONS. >> GOING TWICE. QUICK LET ME ASK A QUESTION WHAT HAPPENS IF WE DON'T GET A MOTION? >> THAN THEY DON'T SELL THE HOUSE. HOUSES DON'T PURCHASE THE HOUSE. SO IT STAYS IN LIMBO AND COULD FORCE SOMEONE ELSE TO FORECLOSE. >> WHAT WAS THE AMOUNT YOU WANTED? I DON'T REMEMBER HEARING. YOU WANT ZE0? >> IF I MAY. >> THAT IS WHAT THE APPLICATION IS FOR 0. >> I JUST DON'T FIND 0 TO BE EQUITABLE IN A SITUATION LIKE THIS. I AM STRUGGLING TO IDENTIFY WHAT FIGURE IS EQUITABLE BECAUSE ALL THESE DIFFERENT FIGURES ARE FLOATING. I THINK THAT THERE SHOULD BE SOME CONSIDERATION FOR THE FACT THIS WAS NOT DONE IN THE BEST WAY. I DID NOT SECOND COMMISSIONER RENEGERS MOTION I THINK THE AMOUNT SHOULD BE HIGHER. AND I NO THAT SOUNDS HORRIBLE BUT IT IS TRUE. THAT IS ESSENTIALLY WHAT WE ARE LOOKING AT MOVING FORWARD. IS ANYONE WHO SAYS YOU KNOW WHAT, I MADE A MISTAKE. AND HOPING THAT THE COUNTY EATS IT, REQUESTS Z0 FOR A DECISION LIKE THIS. IS A PROBLEM. IF I WERE TO MAKE A MOTION TONIGHT IT WOULD BE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH A FINE. 30,000$30,000 TO BE WHAT THE CO RECOUPS ON THIS. >> IS THAT A MOTION? >> IT IS. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR INDICATE BY SAYING AYE. >> AYE. >> THOSE OPPOSED? >> AYE. >> MOTION PASSES 4-1 30,000 [27.  Discussion of Re-Appointments to the Penney Farms/Lake Asbury Citizens Advisory Committee] DOLLARS. >> BACK FOR CONSIDERATION. >> ITEM NUMBER 27 RE-APPOINTMENTS TO THE PENNEY FARMS/LAKE ASBURY CITIZENS ADVISORY COMMITTEE WE HAVE APPLICATIONS FOR REAPPOINTMENT BY CHRISTINE BACKSCHEIDER MICHAEL CLEMONS MATTHEW HANSKNECHT CHAD WEEKS I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION AND ANY DISCUSSION. >> MOVE APPROVAL. >> OKAY WITH A MOTION TO APPROVE DO WE HAVE A SECOND? >> I SECOND THE MOTION. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND FURTHER DISCUSSION? >> A QUESTION DID WE NOT FILL THE CITIZENS ADVISORY COMMITTEE ONCE FOR LAKE ASBURY. FOR THOSE? >> WHEN YOU FIRST CREATED IT BECAUSE OF THE TERMS THESE WERE THE ONES THAT HAVE SHORT-TERM'S. >> WE STAGGER IT. >> THEY WILL BE THE LONGER TERM. THESE ARE THE ONES WHO DREW THE ONE YEAR. GOOD QUESTION. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSIONS? MOTION TO APPROVE ALL FOUR, SECOND? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR INDICATE BY SAYING AYE. >> AYE. >> OPPOSED? THE MOTION CARRIES 4-1 NOW WE ARE AT OUR SECOND PUBLIC COMMENT I HAVE TWO. >> I VOTED NO. >> I AM SORRY 5-0 NOW WE ARE PUBLIC COMMENT I HAVE TWO. >> I VOTED NO. >> I AM 0 NOW WE ARE AT OUR SE PUBLIC COMMENT I HAVE TWO. >> I VOTED NO. >> I AM SORRY 5-0 I MAY HAVE TO EAT ONE OF THESE COUGH DROPS FOR A LITTLE SUGAR IN THEIR. THERE ARE FOUR PEOPLE ON HERE THAT IS WHY. >> YOU MAY NEED SOMEBODY TO STAND BEHIND YOU. AND TAP OUT. >> MAYBE DON'T GET BEHIND ME I DRIVE SLOW. ANYWAY I WILL DRINK MORE WATER [PUBLIC COMMENTS] BEFORE I GO. >> PUBLIC COMMENTS. [04:10:03] >> OKAY, PUBLIC COMMENT I HAVE TWO CARDS FOR SECOND PUBLIC COMMENT. IF YOU ARE NOT ONE OF THESE AND YOU WISH TO SPEAK TO US YOU ARE WELCOME TO. THE FIRST ONE I HAVE IS MR. PEOPLE'S. HE IS LEFT? I ALSO DID NOT GIVE HIM TIME TO TALK EARLIER. AND THEN MS. ELROD. >> YES, YES. WHICH YOU HAVE SET FOR A LARGE MAJORITY. >> I ENJOY ELROD I LIVED ON HILL ROAD. AND I HAVE BEEN TRYING FORGET THIS, 12 YEARS TO GET A TURN LANE OFF OF THE STREET. 17 WATER OAK. WITH A HOSPITAL AND ALL SORTS OF STUFF. THE WATER ROAD COMES DOWN TO A ROAD THAT I LIVE ON. PINE RUNS PARALLEL. EVERYBODY IN ALL THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS THEY BUILT UP NEIGHBORHOODS AROUND ME. TRY TO GO TO WORK AT THE SAME TIME EVERY MORNING. THEY CAN'T TURN RIGHT ON 17 UNTIL THE LIGHT FROM ACROSS THE TURNS GREEN. WE HAVE A LEFT TURN LANE. BUT WE DON'T HAVE A RIGHT TURN LANE. AND I WANT TO KNOW WHY IS IT TAKEN 11 YEARS TO COME UP HERE FOR THE 10TH TIME AND ASK ABOUT IT. ARE WE EVER GOING TO GET A TURN LANE? >> YES, MA'AM. >> WITH WHAT? >> RUN THROUGH THE WAS I DON'T THINK YOU WANT TO DO THAT. >> DID I SEE HERE YOU SAY YES, MA'AM. >> YES. WHICH YOU MAY BE THE ONLY PERSON WE MADE HAPPY TONIGHT. >> BEFORE I DIE? >> BEFORE THE MILLENNIUM IS OVER, YES. RICHARD, YOU WANT TO TELL HER WHAT THEY WILL DO? >> THAT IS PART OF THEIR HIGHWAY 17 IMPROVEMENT. >> I DID NOT SEE THAT WHEN IT CAME OUT IN AN EMAIL. >> WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT IT? >> NO, NO, NEVER MIND. >> LISTEN TO RICHARD HE WILL GIVE DETAILS. >> YES, MA'AM WHAT WILL HAPPEN AT WATER OAK AND U.S. 17 THERE WILL BE A DEDICATED LIKE RIGHT TURN LANE YOU CAN TURN RIGHT. YOU HAVE TO STOP AT THE SITE, THERE WILL BE THROUGH LANE THE OTHER LANE WILL GO THROUGH AND TURN LEFT. IF SOMEONE WANTS TO TURN LEFT AND YOU WANT TO GO STRAIGHT TO THE HOSPITAL VICE-CHAIR JIM RENNINGER: . BUT THERE IS PLENTY OF ROOM. AND THAT WILL TURN INTO A THROUGH LANE ALSO. THE RIGHT LANE THAT IS A THROUGH LANE NOW WILL BE RESTRIPED TO A RIGHT TURN ONLY LANE. THAT WORK E THAT WORK SHOULD BEGIN COMMISSIONER CELLA AND I THE WAY WE LOOK AT THE BOX SCORES SHOULD COME ANY DAY NOW. AND THE FUNDING IS SO CURRENT IT IS NOT EVEN LISTED ON THE DOT PLANS. WHICH MEANS CURRENT YEAR. SO IT SHOULD BE. WE EXPECT THEM TO BREAK GROUND ON THAT AND WEEKS. THANK YOU, MA'AM. >> BEFORE I TURNED 76 I WILL HAVE A TURN LANE. BACK YOU ALL. >> I WISH EVERYBODY WAS AS PLEASE. >> CHAIR BETSY CONDON: WE WOULD LIKE A ROOMFUL OF YOU. THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD WISH TO SPEAK TO US IN PUBLIC COMMENT? IF NOT I WILL BRING IT BACK TO COMMISSIONER AUDITOR. DISTRICT ATTORNEY? DID YOU FORGET WHAT IT WAS? >> WE ARE GOOD. [COUNTY MANAGER] WHICH YOU COULD THINK OF IT IN WE WILL COME BACK TO IT REVOCABLE MORE ITEMS. COUNTY MANAGER? >> SURE, COMMISSIONERS HAD A WONDERFUL OPPORTUNITY TO GO OUT TO NORTHEAST FLORIDA CONSTRUCTION DATES. ACCOMPANY PUBLIC WORKS, THERESA GARDNER. AND THEY WERE OUT THERE IN FORCE IT WAS GREAT TO SEE CLICK COUNTY HIGH SCHOOLERS OUT THERE GETTING TO OPERATE THE EQUIPMENT. AND LOTS OF EDUCATIONAL OPPORTUNITIES OUT THERE TO LEARN ABOUT DRONES. YOU NAME IT CAMERAS, ALL THE THINGS WE TALK ABOUT. IT WAS WONDERFUL. OVER 3000 KIDS OVER THE NEXT FEW DAYS WILL GET A CHANCE TO GO OUT THERE AND SEE THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO REACH OUT TO MANY PRIVATE COMPANIES. AND GOVERNMENT. ONE OTHER ITEM JUST TO ADD VETERANS APPRECIATION EVENT ON MARCH 11TH. JUST WANTED TO MAKE THIS ANNOUNCEMENT. WILL BE FROM 10-2:00 P.M. ON MARCH 11TH. AND SO NOTE - MAYBE COMMISSIONER [04:15:03] RENNER NOSES BUT CONGRESSWOMAN KAT CAN ACT ANNOUNCED OUR VETERAN OF THE YEAR. FOR THIS AREA. WHICH IS ANOTHER EVERYTHING THAT IS HAPPENING. LOTS OF GREAT THINGS HAPPENING THERE. >> I THINK HE WAS SELECTED AS DISTRICT THREE. I THINK WE OUGHT TO DO SOMETHING. WE SHOULD ACKNOWLEDGE HIS BECAUSE IT IS PRETTY SIGNIFICANT. >> HE CAME TO THE TRANSPORTATION DISADVANTAGE MEETING. WHEN HE SAW NO STAFF ARE THERE FOR THE VETERAN SERVICES HE SAID BUT HIM ON THE PAYROLL. >> ACTUALLY THAT IS ANOTHER SUBJECT. THERE WERE TWO ON THE LIST. >> MR. LEWIS DOES DO A REMARKABLE JOB FOR THE VETERANS OF CLAY COUNTY. AND WE ARE APPRECIATIVE. I WILL SUPPORT WHATEVER WE WANT TO DO. >> I THINK WE OUGHT TO DO SOMETHING. >> THAT WAS NOT TAPPED OUT BUT I DID GET SOMEBODY WHISPERING IN MY EARS. AND THERE IS SOMETHING SPECIAL. QUICK DON'T WANT TO SPOIL THE SURPRISE? >> HOPEFULLY WATCHING. PENDING ANY QUESTIONS. >> ANYTHING FOR THE COUNTY MANAGER? DID YOU THINK OF IT? COMMISSIONER CELLA? [COMMISSIONERS' COMMENTS] >> KRISTEN BURKE: I WILL NOT TAKE UP TOO MUCH TIME BECAUSE I KNOW WE ARE IN CLAY COUNTY AND PROUD OF THE TOURISM DEPARTMENT AND WHAT THEY ARE DOING. FIRST, THROUGH THE COLLEGE DRIVE INITIATIVE FRIDAY NIGHT. >> MIKE OF THE TOURISM DEPARTME WHAT THEY ARE DOING. FIRST, THROUGH THE COLLEGE DRIVE INITIATIVE FRIDAY NIGHT. > IT WAS AT SAINT JOHNS RIVER COLLEGE NEAR THE PARKING LOT. AND I LEFT AND THERE WAS AN HOUR TO GO. WILL OVER 350 PEOPLE HAVING SHOWED UP AND PARTICIPATED WHICH WAS GREAT. AND I THINK WE HAD 4-FIVE FOOD TRUCKS THERE. LOTS OF VOLUNTEERS THAT PUT ALL THAT TOGETHER INCLUDING SOME HELP FROM OUR STAFF AS WELL. THANK YOU TO ALL THE CLERKS. THEN SATURDAY WAS A REAL BUSY DAY THE MIRACLE VEHICLE ASSOCIATION WITH THE WORLD WAR II ERA EQUIPMENT OUT THERE. THE TANKS AND ALL THE ARMORED VEHICLES ALL OWNED BY ONE MAN. WHO DOES IT AS SORT OF A HOBBY. IMAGINE THAT? AND THEY ARE PLEASED TO BE IN CLAY COUNTY. IF THEY GET THROWN OUT IN FLORIDA WHICH I WON'T MENTION BECAUSE THEY WERE MAKING TOO MUCH NOISE. THE GUNS GOING BANK AND SO THEY ARE VERY HAPPY WITH THAT. HOW IS AN EVENT TO KEEP AN EYE ON I THINK THAT WILL CONTINUE TO GROW. THE OFFSET THE COST WITH SPONSORS. AND IT IS TRULY AMAZING. FOR THE GUYS A VOLUNTEER TO DRIVE THOSE THINGS YOU CANNOT FIND PEOPLE WHO HAVE MORE FUN DRIVING THINGS AROUND. YOU KNOW CHARGES. AND THAT WAS GOOD. THE SCOTTISH GAMES. A LITTLE LATER IN TERMS OF ATTENDANCE. HARD TO TELL IN TERMS OF WORK KIRSTEN IN THE PARKING LOT. AS USUAL A NICELY RUN EVENT. THAT WAS AN EVENT GIVE THEM COMMISSION THROUGH THE SPECIAL EVENT PERMIT. TO LEAVE THE BEER TENT AND WANDER THE GROUNDS. I HAVE NOT HEARD OF ANY INCIDENTS AT ALL. WHEN I WAS THERE GENERALLY GETTING USED TO SEEING PEOPLE WITH A PEER. BUT EVERYBODY WAS WELL BEHAVED. OF COURSE FINISHED OUT THE AFTERNOON WITH THE AGUSTA SAVAGE FESTIVAL. NEXT YEAR HAVE A BIG GALA DINNER TO CELEBRATE THE BIRTHDAY WHICH FALLS ON LEAP YEAR. FEBRUARY 29TH. SO THAT WILL PRETTY MUCH WRAP IT UP A BUSY DAY AND NIGHT. IN CLAY COUNTY AND SEE WHAT WE HAVE DONE WITH THESE EVENTS. AND WHAT OUR DEPARTMENT CONTINUES TO DO. >> IF YOU HAVE NOTHING TO DO LAST WEEKEND YOU WERE NOT LOOKING. >> AND IT WILL BE MORE SEASONABLE HERE IN FLORIDA. THAT IS A GOOD THING. >> CHAIR BETSY CONDON: COMMISSIONER CELLA DID YOU THINK OF ANYTHING? COMMISSIONER COMPERE. >> ALEXANDRA COMPERE: NONE. >> CHAIR BETSY CONDON: COMMISSIONER RENNER? >> VICE-CHAIR JIM RENNINGER: THE JUDGE WANTS TO KNOW. ON THE MILITARY APPRECIATION MARCH 11TH THERE IS A VIETNAM VETERAN MEMORIAL SERVICE AT TRIANGLE PARK HERE MARCH 25TH. AND WE WILL HAVE A FLYOVER AND EVERYTHING. IS SO THAT SHOULD BE FROM 10 A.M [04:20:03] TO 11, 11:30. A SHORT CEREMONY. I DO? MILITARY AS WELL. I HAD A COMMENT AT PUBLIC COMMENT ABOUT A POW PARK REDESIGNATION. I WOULD LIKE TO GET THE CONCURRENT. THEY HAD THE FLAG AND WE NAMED MOODY ROAD AS MARY ELLEN HOFF MEMORIALIZED HER. AND SO I WOULD LIKE THE COMMISSION CONCURRENCE TO LOOK INTO RE-DESIGNATING MOODY PARK IS A POW AND I A PARK. FOLLOWS SOME WALMART DOCUMENTS. AND THINGS LIKE THAT. >> WALMART? >> WALMART GAVE THE LAND TO THE COUNTY. >> CHAIR BETSY CONDON: FOR THE PARK? DO WE KNOW WHO MOODY WAS WAS THAT A PERSON IN CLAY COUNTY? NOT IN THE SOUTH PARK THE TALKING IN THE NORTH PARK. BECAUSE WE HAD MOODY ROAD AND PARKER WANT TO KNOW WHO MOODY IS. >> MY FEELING IS TO MOVE FORWARD ON THAT LOOK INTO THAT. IS MAY BE PART OF THAT. WHO MOODY BELONG TO. >> I WOULD AGREE BUT I WOULD NOT LIKE TO STEP ON THE TOES OF SOMEONE WHO MAY BE SIGNIFICANT. >> MOODY ROAD WAS STILL MOODY ROAD. WE DID NOT CHANGE THE NAME. >> GOT IT. >> CHAIR BETSY CONDON: COMMISSIONER WORK? >> KRISTEN BURKE: SORRY TO BE THE BEARER OF BAD NEWS. JUST TO THE WHOLE THING. JUST DID NOT HAVE ANY. >> ARE THEY GOING ALL THE WAY I AM SURE YOU KNOW WHAT I WANT TO TALK ABOUT. I HAVE HAD A PRETTY EVENTFUL LAST WEEK AND A HALF. AND HOPEFULLY I NO YOU WERE ALL ABLE TO WATCH THE LAST MEETING 2018. THAT IS ONE OF THE REASONS I RAN FOR COMMISSIONER. A HUGE REASON. BECAUSE I WAS ABLE TO SEE OUR SYSTEM WORK. I WAS ABLE TO SEE COMMISSIONERS DO THEIR JOB AND VOTE AND LISTEN TO THE PEOPLE. AND I REALLY SPOKE TO ME. AND I WANT TO BE A PART OF THAT. I LIVE IN AN AREA WE MOVED HERE 17 YEARS AGO. MOVED TO THAT HOUSE 17 YEARS AGO WE BUILT IT. AND WE WORKED HARD AND I AM VERY PROUD OF IT. WE HAD NO IDEA WHAT HAD HAPPENED BEHIND US. THE HUSBAND WAS BORN IN GREENE COUNTY WE KNEW THERE WAS A PLANT BEHIND US AND HE KNEW THEY DID SOME THINGS BUT HE DID NOT KNOW THE MAGNITUDE. SO WHATEVER WE SAW THE SIGNS LAST TIME WE ASKED AND FOUND OUT WHAT HAD HAPPENED THERE. AND THANK GOODNESS THE COMMISSION THEN LISTENED TO US. BECAUSE THEY WERE ABOUT TO DEVELOP IT. AND SO, WITHOUT THEY WERE GONE. PEOPLE SAID THEY WILL PROBABLY BE BACK BECAUSE THEY WAITED 20 YEARS UNTIL CERTAIN PEOPLE DIED AND THERE WAS A WHOLE NEW COMMISSION AND STAFF THAT PROBABLY WAS NOT EVEN AROUND. DUE TO THE HORRIBLE THINGS THEY DID. BUT NOW THEY ARE BACK AGAIN AG PRETTY QUICKLY. IF ANYTHING HAPPENED THIS TIME WHENEVER I BECAME A COMMISSIONER I ASKED DEP TO SEND ME ANY CORRESPONDENCE WHEN HE SENT IT TO COURTNEY. I THOUGHT IT WOULD HAPPEN IT HAPPENED LAST JANUARY. A WEEK AND A HALF AGO WE HAD SURVEYORS IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. WE SAW A GUY WITH A HUGE DRONE HE WAS CAMPED OUT ALL WEEKEND LONG. AND NEIGHBORS WERE STOPPING AND ASKING WHAT HE WAS DOING. AND HE SAID HE WAS HIRED TO ASSESS THE VALUE OF THE TIMBER ON THIS SELECT PROPERTY. THERE WERE RUMORS. WE DID NOT KNOW ANYTHING. OF COURSE EVERYBODY IS SCARED TO DEATH AT THIS POINT. BECAUSE WE HAVE ALREADY BEEN TOLD AND WARNED IF THIS PROPERTY IS DISTURBED WE ARE IN TROUBLE. AND JUST TO SHOW YOU. [04:25:04] I STARTED TALKING TO PEOPLE. I POSTED, WE HAD A FACEBOOK PAGE WAY BACK THEN. SO I COULD COMMUNICATE WITH PEOPLE IN THE AREA AND LET THEM KNOW, YOU KNOW, PLEASE CAN YOU COME FORWARD. IF THIS IS SOMETHING YOU ARE INVOLVED IN IF YOU WORK THERE, WHATEVER. HAD ALL KINDS OF COMMENTS. NOW WE ARE IN DANGER OF EXCELLING PRETTY QUICKLY. I CALLED DEP A WEEK AGO AND SPOKE TO A NEW REP. A GUY WHO WAS HERE LAST TIME THAT HEARD EVERYTHING. AND THE COMMISSIONERS THEN SPOKE AND ASKED QUESTIONS. HE WAS RETIRED. THE YOUNG GUY THERE. A NEW ABOUT IT BUT DID NOT KNOW A LOT OF HISTORY. HE JUST KNEW WHAT YOU NEED TO KNOW. MAYBE THIS IS THE STUFF I PROBABLY SHOULDN'T SAY. AND I SAID ARE THEY SELLING THE PROPERTY? IT IS THAT WE HAVE A PLAN TO SELL THE PROPERTY TO CHANGE HANDS. AND WAS NOT INTERESTED AT THAT POINT DEP SAID THEY HAVE. WHO KNOWS HOW LONG IT WOULD BE THERE WAS NO TIME LIMIT ON THEIR TESTING. AND SO I CALLED. I THINK THE GUYS NAME WAS MARK HUDSON. AND ASKED CAN WE GET ON THE PROPERTY TO TEST. BECAUSE THE FIRST THEY WERE CONCERNED ABOUT LIABILITY. AND TO BUY IT IN PUT A PARK THERE WHATEVER. AND PEOPLE GOT HURT OR INJURED AGAIN OR SICK. SO AT THE MEETING THEY ACTUALLY SAID WE COULD HIRE A CONSULTANT WE COULD COME ON THE PROPERTY BUT THEY DENIED IT. SO IT WAS DROPPED AT THAT POINT. NOW DEP GUY TELLS ME IT WILL BE SOLD. THERE ARE 200 ACRES THAT HAVE BEEN LINED UP THAT IS TOXIC FOR SURE IT IS CONTAMINATED. IT CANNOT BE BUILT ON UNTIL THEY FINISH ALL THE PHASES. 600 + ACRES NOW THAT ARE FREE AND CLEAR. AS LONG AS THEY ABIDE BY A CONSISTENT ORDER. THAT IF ANYTHING IS EVER FOUND THEY WOULD STOP. I SAID THE 600 + ACRES WE CAN BUILD ON IT? THEY CAN DO WHATEVER THEY WANT ONCE THEY MAKE THAT SALE ON MONDAY? AND HE SAID YES THEY COULD DO WHATEVER THE COUNTY THE ZONING IS THERE. BY THE WAY, I CALLED AND ASK COMMISSIONER BOLA BECAUSE I WAS GOING TO TALK TO HIM. AND THEY SAID THEY ARE ZONING MADE YEARS AGO. PROBABLY BECAUSE COMMISSIONER DID NOT KNOW WHAT TO DO WITH. SO HERE WE ARE. 30 YEARS LATER AFTER IT CLOSED. AND I KEEP ON HEARING ABOUT KICKING THE BUCKET DOWN THE ROAD AND HERE WE ARE. DEFTLY WHAT HAPPENED WITH THIS PROPERTY. TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE, I LIKE THAT. THAT IS WHAT I FEELING. THIS HAS BEEN MY LIFE. I AM SO PETRIFIED OF WHAT COULD HAPPEN. AND THAT WE AS A BOARD COULD HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT IN WE DIDN'T. AND SO I HAD A MEETING WITH RESIDENTS THAT HAD CALLED ME. FOR PEOPLE WHO NEW. BUT THIS IS OUR AREA. AND I HAD A CLIP ON IT HOWARD MADE ME PUT RUBBER BANDS. I KNOW YOU WILL NOT HEAR ME ON THE MICROPHONE. YOU COME DOWN TO 09 AND THEN TO 09 BEING HERE. SO YOU COME AROUND AND LIVE IN THIS AREA. YOU CAN GO FURTHER DOWN TO 09. 209A, YEARS BACK THERE WERE PICKETERS THERE AND PEOPLE WHO HELD SIGNS IT TALKED ABOUT HOW EVIL THESE PEOPLE WERE AND WHAT THEY WERE DOING. BECAUSE PEOPLE WERE DEFINITELY GETTING SICK. PEOPLE AFTER IT WAS CLOSED DOWN. BUT I WANT TO LET YOU KNOW. THESE ARE PEOPLE THAT EITHER LIVED IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD. [04:30:03] WE HAVE KELLY GRAY SHE HAS BREAST CANCER. AND THERE ARE NOT MANY HOMES BACK THERE AT THIS POINT. THE PERCENTAGE OF PEOPLE WHO GOT SICK COMPARED TO HOW MANY HOUSES THERE ARE. IT IS HUGE. I HAD - WE HAVE REGINA PARKER HER DAUGHTER HAD A HEART ATTACK AT 40 YEARS OLD. FRED WILLARD PANCREATIC CANCER. JACK WRIGHT DIED OF COLON CANCER GRACE RACE: CANCER ALL BETWEEN THE 80S AND 90S. MARTHA JONES LUNG CANCER. I AM SORRY THE BEGINNING OF 2000. JACK CHALMERS, BREAST CANCER. I LIVE HERE AND I WAS DIAGNOSED WITH COLON CANCER LAST YEAR. I AM NOT SAYING IT IS BUT IT IS PRETTY WEIRD THAT A DOCTOR ASKED ME IF I HAD BEEN AROUND CHEMICALS. BECAUSE I DON'T FIT THE DESCRIPTION OF SOMEONE WHO WOULD HAVE COLON CANCER. MY DAUGHTER HAD A HIP REPLACEMENT, PLEASE IN THE POND ALL THE TIME. THOSE NEXT-DOOR MOVED THERE. ONE SON WAS FIVE AND THE OTHER WAS YOUNGER. THE SON TOLD ME HE STARTED HAVING TROUBLE BREATHING AFTER A FEW YEARS LIVING THERE HE WAS GIVEN A PACEMAKER. HEART ISSUES, MAJOR HEART ISSUES. HIS SISTER DIED OF HEART ISSUES A COUPLE YEARS AGO. SHE WAS AN ORGAN DONOR. THEN WE COME OUT TO THE COUNTRY STORE. THE USED TO BE A COUNTRY STORE. THE OWNER MARYLAND MARYLAND DIED. MARYLAAR MARYLANAD DIED AND OTHER DIED OF BREAST CANCER. TO HAVE TWO PEOPLE WHO ARE STILL HERE THAT HAVE AUTOIMMUNE DISEASES. AND THEY ARE SICK PEOPLE. ANOTHER DAUGHTER AND OTHER CHILDREN THEY SAY WE KNOW CHEMICALS ARE PASSED DOWN WITH GENERATIONS. AUTO IMMUNE AND THEN NORFOLK ROAD. PEOPLE SAY THEY GET ALL THE SMOKE ALL THE ASHES CARRIED THROUGH THE AIR. ONE LADY WORKED AT THE FIRE TOWER ON 17TH THAT IS NOT THERE ANYMORE. SHE HAD SEVERE BREAST CANCER AND SHE SAID SMOKE WOULD COME TO HER. FOR THE WHOLE FAMILY THERE IS CANCER, THYROID CANCER. CAN'T GET PREGNANT. THESE ARE ALL PEOPLE THAT LIVED THERE BACK THEN. I WANTED TO SHOW YOU THAT. THE POPULATION BACK THEN WAS SCARCE. YOU HEARD MS. PAT SAY IT WAS MOSTLY FIRST. THIS PEOPLE DID NOT KNOW WHAT WAS GOING ON THEY SAW THE SMOKE THAT HORRIBLE SMELL THE ASH IN THEIR YARD. HIS MOM AND DAD DIED OF CANCER. THAT THEY WOULD GO TO THE COMMUNITY PICNICS THERE. HE HAD MULTIPLE BRAIN TUMORS. AND HE SAID HE REMEMBERED GOING THERE AND HE WOULD WASH HER CAR BEFORE SHE GOT THERE WHEN VISITING THEM. WITH ALL THE ASH AND WHENEVER HE CAME BACK OUT THE ASH WAS THERE AGAIN. SO NO MATTER WHAT WE KNOW THIS GOT IN THE WATER THERE. WHAT MIKE ZELENKA TALKED ABOUT THERE ARE DITCHES AND CREEKS ALL THROUGH THE PROPERTY. WHERE IS THAT WATER GOING? WHERE DID ALL THAT STUFF GO? THEY HAD KILNS WHERE THEY BURNED. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU KNOW THE HISTORY. MAYBE READ UP ON IT. IF YOU DON'T WANT TO STARE ANY LONGER. THEY KILL STUBBORN THE CHEMICALS WERE BURNING LEGAL STUFF IN THE BEGINNING THAT STARTED IN 1959. AND THEN AROUND 70S, 80S I AM NOT SURE OF THE DATE. THE FUEL COST WENT UP SO HIGH THAT THEY STARTED BURNING THE HAZARDOUS WASTE AND THE ARSENIC. AND SHIPTON OR COME IN WITH THE TRAIN AND SOME ICE. BUT IN 1995 WHEN THIS CLOSED AND THERE WERE PEOPLE AT THE GATES. AND EPA HAD COME IN. THE KILNS WERE GONE. THE KILNS WORK ON THESE ARE THE PICTURES I AM SHOWING YOU ALL. THE FIRST ONE OPERATING THE KILNS WHERE THERE AND THE EVIL MAN WHO SPOKE. THE MANAGER SAID THAT THEY SOLD IT FOR SCRAP. FIRST OFF, YOU CAN'T TAKE THAT STUFF OUT OF THERE WITHOUT PEOPLE KNOWING AND WHERE THEY [04:35:01] GO. YOU HAVE TO HAVE PERMITS WHICH THESE PEOPLE NEVER HAD PERMITS PRETTY MUCH FOR ANYTHING. SO I ASKED DB YESTERDAY WHEN HOWARD AND COURTNEY WERE ON THE PHONE WITH ME ON THE ZOOM CALL. THERE WERE FIVE OF THEM ON THEIR AND I SAID THEY NEVER HAD TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT THEY DID. THEY HAVE NEVER HAD TO CLEAN IT UP. THEY NEVER ATTEMPTED TO CLEAN IT UP THEY JUST KEEP TRYING TO PUT IT OFF TO THE NEXT. THESE FAKE NAMES AND LLCS THE DON'T HAVE MONEY IN THEM. THAT THEY STILL HAVE THE SAME ADDRESS AS SO LATE. AGAIN THEY WILL GET AWAY WITH IT BECAUSE DEP SAYS TO ME. WE DID A THOROUGH INVESTIGATION OF THE 600 ACRES. AND I SAID WHO IS WE? YOU HAVE BEEN HERE BECAUSE I WILL LET YOU KNOW RIGHT NOW. AS SOON AS ANYBODY GOES ON THE PROPERTY BECAUSE WE ARE ALL WHAT IS GOING ON IN THE PROPERTY, WE KNOW. HE SAID WITH SOCIALITE HIRED THEIR CONSULTANT WHICH IS THE SAME CONSULTANT THEY HAVE HAD FOR YEARS. THEY DO THE TESTING. THE CORPORATION THAT HAS ILLEGAL ACTIVITY FOR YEARS IS ALLOWED TO HIRE A CONSULTANT AND TELL US WHAT IS HAPPENING THERE? AND THEY SAID THAT IS OUR PROCEDURE. AND I SAID I HAVE A MAP. BACK IN 2005 THEY WERE GOING TO PUT HOMES RIGHT ON THIS HUGE LINK HERE. IT IS A BEAUTIFUL LAKE. THIS IS PRIME REAL ESTATE. NO WONDER WHY SOMEONE WANTS TO BUY IT. THEY WERE GOING TO PUT THESE CONES. THEY WOULD PUT HOMES ON THIS LINK. I HAVE EMPLOYEES THAT SAY IT WAS MAN-MADE. BECAUSE IT WAS BURIED UNDERNEATH IT. THIS LINK IS NOT THE AREA THE 600 ACRES THEY ARE ABOUT TO SELL ON MONDAY. THERE WAS A TEST THAT IS ALSO IN THAT 600 ACRES. THEY DON'T HAVE TO DO ANYTHING WITH THAT BECAUSE AFTER MONDAY THEY CAN START DOING WHATEVER THEY WANT. BECAUSE THEY HAVE BEEN ABLE TO GT AWAY WITH IT. AND, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS OUR PRIMARY PURPOSE HERE? IF THE PRIMARY PURPOSE IS THE SAFETY OF OUR PEOPLE AND A BETTER TOMORROW. THAT IS ACTUALLY IN WHAT WE STAND FOR. I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO BUT I JUST TELLING YOU ALL. WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING. WE HAVE TO. WE SPOKE TO AN ATTORNEY. COURTNEY HAS BEEN HELPING ME OUT WITH THIS. I CANNOT REALLY GREAT WITH LEGAL TERMS SHE GETS FRUSTRATED SOMETIMES. BUT I APPRECIATE ALL HER HELP AND HOW. BUT WE TALKED TO A COUPLE ATTORNEYS AND THE DEAL WITH THEM. WE NEED TO KNOW WHAT IS ON THAT 600 ACRES. AND THEY SHOW DB. BY THE WAY I ASKED DEP TO THE INTERVIEW IN PLACE. WHAT THEY SAID THEY INTERVIEWED THEM AFTER THEY CLOSED. I MEAN YOU HAVE A COMPANY. I HAVE BEEN TOLD THEY WERE THREATENED WITH PHYSICAL HARM IF THEY WERE TO SAY ANYTHING IS HAPPENING IN THAT ORGANIZATION THERE. THE ATTORNEYS SAID THEY NEEDED TO KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON. THE EMPLOYEES SAY THEY CAN SHOW WHERE THE CONTAMINATION IS. AT LEAST SOME. I AM SURE THEY DON'T KNOW WHERE ALL OF IT IS. THEY SAY IT IS THROUGHOUT THE PROPERTY THEY WOULD TAKE THE CHEMICALS OUT IN EITHER CRUSH THEM OR BURY THEM. AND THE CHEMICALS THAT IS WHAT WILL SEEP INTO THE GROUND. I DON'T KNOW HOW FAR IT IS NOW IT HAS BEEN 30 YEARS. THAT HUGE LIKE I TALK ABOUT EMPLOYEES SAID THEY THROUGH TRACKS IN THEIR. CATWALKS. I AM ASSUMING THAT IS WHERE THE KILNS ARE BECAUSE THEY GOT OUT OF THEIR IN A PRETTY QUICK TIMING PERIOD. THERE ARE TONS OF STORIES. [04:40:06] THEY DEALT WITH TWO. ALL THIS SORT OF STUFF. AND NO DOUBT THEY PROBABLY SAW IT. MY HUSBAND WENT TO FISH AND HE SAID IT WAS DISGUSTING AND COULD NOT BELIEVE. DID NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT COULD HAVE BEEN WRONG WITH THAT FISH. NO MATTER WHAT CAN YOU IMAGINE PUTTING KILNS ON THIS PROPERTY? HOMES ON THIS PROPERTY. NOT TO MENTION THEY SELL IT IN START TAKING THE TREES DOWN. AND WHAT DO YOU DO THEN? YOU HAVE TO TAKE THE STUMPS. YOU HAVE TO THEN BURN WHATEVER IS LEFT THAT WILL GO INTO THE AIR. THERE ARE TOO MANY UNKNOWNS HERE. IT IS TIME FOR US TO STOP IT TIME TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. SO DISTRICT ATTORNEYS THAT THEY NEED TESTING. THEN THEY COULD POSSIBLY LOOK AT IT. I DON'T KNOW TOTAL WHAT DEP WILL DO. OR IF WE HAVE THE ABILITY. BUT THEY ARE GOING TO SPEAK TO TWO EMPLOYEES TOMORROW AND THE EMPLOYEES WILL TELL THEM. AND WHAT I WOULD ASK IS THAT IF THEY ARE ABLE TO SAY YES, IF WE CAN GET THIS AREA TESTED. I AM ASKING THE BOARD THAT WE ARE ABLE TO GET THAT TESTING DONE. I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH THAT COSTS. BUT IF WE TESTED JUST A FEW AREAS. WHETHER THE EMPLOYEES ARE SAYING THERE IS CONTAMINATION THAT IS BETTER THAN NOT HAVING ANY AND NOT KNOWING STILL. THAT ALLOW THIS TO BE DEVELOPED. I AM OPEN FOR ANY IDEAS. I HAVE A WOMAN HERE THAT HER DAUGHTER GOT OVER CANCER. THESE PEOPLE ARE SCARED TO DEATH. THEY MOVED INTO THIS AREA THEY ARE BRAND-NEW TO OUR AREA THEY THOUGHT THEY CHECKED EVERYTHING OUT. AND IMAGINE IT HAPPENING AGAIN. IMAGINE IT HAPPENING IN OUR AREA. BY THE WAY OUR PROPERTY VALUE IS PROBABLY GOING TO TAKE BECAUSE EVERYBODY KNOWS THIS NOW. SO WE CANNOT WORRY ABOUT THAT WE HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THE FUTURE. THERE ARE PEOPLE IN LINE AND MAY BE COMING HERE WHO DO NOT KNOW. I ASKED THEM WILL THERE BE A WARNING ON THE DEED? AT LOVE CANAL THAT IS WHAT THEY HAVE. OTHER AREAS LIKE THAT. AND THIS IS A LOT LIKE LOVE CANAL ALTHOUGH IT WAS ONLY 16 ACRES AND THIS IS 900 ACRES. AND THEY SAY THEY DO A TITLE SEARCH THEY CAN MAYBE FIND A WARNING. AND I SAID HE SAID THERE WERE PHASES TO BE DONE ON THE 200 ACRES AND YOU DON'T KNOW HOW LONG THAT WILL TAKE. WHAT YOU PUT ON THERE NOW? AND WE DON'T KNOW WHEN THAT WILL BE. SO WE CAN HAVE HOMES ON THIS PROPERTY. BECAUSE OF PROPERTY OWNER RIGHT BEFORE THEY KNOW THERE IS A WARNING. HOWEVER, MY NEIGHBORS HAVE SEVERAL BILLBOARDS UP AND WE WILL IF WE HAVE TO. BUT I AM JUST AT A LOSS. THE PERSON BLOWS DOWN THE MONEY. YOU HEARD THE PEOPLE. PEOPLE THAT IS NOT FRIVOLOUS. THAT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD NOT AGAIN DO THE RIGHT THING. IN THIS MATTER IS BECAUSE THIS COMPANY DID THIS TO OUR PEOPLE. THEY DID THIS TO OUR LAND. SO, YOU WILL FIND SOMEBODY ANY MORE INTERESTED IN IT THAN ME. >> I WAS SITTING IN THE AUDIENCE HERE IN 2018 WHEN YOU SPOKE AND I HAD NEVER MET YOU. I WAS HERE FOR SCHOOL BOARD BUSINESS I WAS A SCHOOL BOARD MEMBER THAN. WHAT YOU MAY NOT KNOW MY DEGREE IS IN ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH SCIENCES. AND MOST PEOPLE DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS. WHAT DID I STUDY IN COLLEGE? I STUDIED EPIDEMIOLOGY, TOXICOLOGY, INDUSTRIAL HYGIENE MONITORING. MY FIRST JOB, MY SECOND JOB OUT OF COLLEGE I WAS A LOWLY TITLE SPECIALIST AND I HAD TO DO ALL THE MONITOR WELLS. AND I WAS TELLING HOWARD THE OTHER DAY WHEN I WAS IN COLLEGE ONE OF MY SUMMER JOBS WAS PROCESSING SOIL AND WATER SAMPLES FROM THE CLEANUP OF CECIL FIELD WHEN THEY CLOSED THAT BASE. I AM FASCINATED BY IT. I REMEMBER HEARING YOU IN 2018 AND THOUGHT IN MY 20S I WOULD HAVE BEEN ALL ABOUT THAT. SO I HEAR WHAT THEY SAY AND I HEAR THEM ASKING FOR HELP. HERE IS MY PROBLEM. I CAN'T - ID 70 TO SHOW US WHERE WE HAVE ANY JURISDICTION. THEY ARE ASKING US TO STOP THE SALE. THAT IS A REAL ESTATE DEAL. >> I HAVE ALREADY TOLD THEM WE CAN'T. >> THE DEP HAS DESIGNATION IN FLORIDA WITH DEP HAS A DELEGATION OF WORKFLOW RESPONSIBILITIES FROM THE FEDERAL EPA. THE FEDERAL EPA CAN REVOKE THAT IF THEY FIND THAT THE DATE DEP IS NOT ACTING RESPONSIBLY. SO ONE OF THE THINGS YOU COULD DO IS CONTACT THE EPA. NOW IT IS UNFORTUNATE THAT THE WHOLE WORK IN EAST HOLLISTON TRAINED THINK. THE EPA HAS BEEN 34 DIFFERENT TIMES. WE LIVE IN DIFFERENT TIMES. THIS HAPPENED IN THE 90S. WHEN THIS HAPPENED IN THE 90S HAVE THERE BEEN SOCIAL MEDIA ALL OF THIS WOULD'VE BEEN ON THERE AND MAYBE IT WOULDN'T HAVE HAPPENED. BUT IT IS WHAT IT IS. DEP SERVES THE HEAD OF DEP TEAM SERVES AT THE PLEASURE OF THE [04:45:02] GOVERNOR. THE GOVERNOR APPOINTS HIM. I THINK ONE, THAT IS AN AVENUE TO CONTACT THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE. AND I AM SURE YOU CONTACTED OUR STATE DELEGATION AS WELL. >> THE DEP FLAGGED THE FILE BUT THAT DOES NOT DO MUCH. >> SO THEY CAN PUT A CONSENT ORDER ON THE PROPERTY. AND THE SAMPLING PLAN SHOULD HAVE BEEN SUBMITTED BY THE CONSULTANT AND DEP APPROVED IT. AND THAT COULD HAPPEN AGAIN. THEY CAN GO AND DO THIS THEY CAN ENCUMBER THIS PROPERTY. THEY CAN NOT ALLOW THEM TO SPLIT INTO TWO LLCS. QUICK THEY HAVE ALREADY SEPARATED THAT? >> THAT IS THEIR PLAN. BUT THE PROBLEM IS TO ME IS THE RED LINE IS THE SAME AS IT WAS IN 2006. >> I AM SURE YOUR FEAR IS MIGRATION. IT SHOULD BE. >> HERE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. >> HERE IS THE PROBLEM. ON ANY SUBJECT TAKE HOW YOU FEEL OUT OF IT. TAKE ALL THIS OUT. WE CAN'T USE PUBLIC FUNDS TO PRIVATE GAIN. IN THE COUNTY DOES NOT OWN ANY OF THAT PROPERTY. SO I AM NOT SURE HOW WE GO AND PAY. AND WHAT ACCOUNT IT COMES OUT OF. I DON'T KNOW HOW WE PAY FOR SOIL AND WATER TESTING THAT IS FOR THE COUNTY THAT WE DON'T HAVE JURISDICTION OVER. IT IS NOT LIKE WE CAN GO AND SAY WE FOUND THIS IN YOUR WELL SO THEREFORE YOU CAN'T DO ANYTHING. THERE IS NOT ANYTHING IN OUR CODE THAT GOVERNS THAT. SO THAT IS WHERE I AM RUNNING INTO AN ISSUE. OF COURSE COURTNEY AND HOWARD TOLD ME NOT BREAK SUNSHINE. THEY TOLD ME YOU WANTED TO DISCUSS THIS TONIGHT. COURTNEY UNIT I WOULD ASK. >> COURTNEY GRIMM: I THINK I HAVE SHARED THAT. >> KRISTEN BURKE: NOT ABOUT THIS? >> COURTNEY GRIMM: I SAID THE COUNTY DOES NOT HAVE A CLAIM. NOT THE COUNTY'S PROPERTY. >> IF WE HAD A CLAIM. SO THERE WAS A SPACE IN BETWEEN. YOU HAVE TO FIND SOME WAY TO DO THAT THING. I KNOW WE HAVE A CLAIM AGAINST THIS COMPANY. >> I TOLD YOU AND WHAT I SPOKE TO THE ATTORNEY TODAY. THE WAY THE COUNTY HAS A CLAIM BECAUSE THE COUNTY DOES NOT OWN ANY PROPERTY AROUND THERE. >> WHEN YOU SAY WE. THE ATTORNEY SAID THE TESTING NEEDS TO BE DONE TO SEE IF WE HAVE A CLAIM. THIS IS NOT THE WE. THEY WE IS YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD. HOW CAN THE COUNTY HAVE A CLAIM ON THE PROPERTY? >> IT IS USUALLY ATTORNEYS WHO ASK IF THE COUNTY HAS A CLAIM. BECAUSE THEY WERE NEGLIGENT THEY NEVER CLAIMED THE PROPERTY, WHATEVER. AGAIN I AM NOT AN ATTORNEY. THAT WAS THE PLAN. THE ATTORNEY SAID WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH EVIDENCE TO SHOW IF THERE IS CONTAMINATION. >> I AM THINKING THE WII IS A NEIGHBORHOOD. I DON'T SEE HOW THE COUNTY MAKES A CLAIM ON PROPERTY WITHOUT EMINENT DOMAIN. AND WE HAVE TO HAVE A REASON TO DO EMINENT DOMAIN. WE DON'T NEED THAT FOR ROADBUILDING OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. >> A POTENTIALLY AFFECTS THE WHOLE COUNTY THOUGH. >> HOW? >> THE WATERWAYS, PERIOD. THEY KNOW THAT. >> WE ARE BETWEEN A ROCK AND A HARD PLACE AND I DON'T FEEL I HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION TONIGHT. SO CLEARLY YOU SAY IT AFFECTS THE WHOLE COUNTY FROM THE WATERWAY. THERE HAS TO BE EVIDENCE TO THAT. THEY FEEL LIKE NO ONE HAS HEARD THEM. NO ONE AND I GET THAT. >> WE DO NOT KNOW HOW MUCH IT WOULD COST. BECAUSE OUR BUDGET IS SET. I DON'T KNOW HOW WE GO BACK. I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION TONIGHT TO ACT. I DEFINITELY THINK AND I THOUGHT IN 2019 THAT ALL IF YOU HAVE PROBABLY A CLASS ACTION PRIVATE [04:50:01] LAWSUIT. THAT WOULD BE MORE LIKE THOSE ONES YOU SEE ON T.V. THAT YOU MENTIONED TONIGHT. AT CAMP LEJEUNE THOSE ATTORNEYS. >> GOOD JOB TELLING WHAT THEY SHOULD DO. >> I WOULD CONTACT MORGAN AND MORGAN. WE ARE THE PEOPLE, THAT IS THERE KIND OF THING. AND I WOULD TRY TAKE YOUR POSTER, TAKE IT TO THEM. YOU KNOW MAYBE THEY CAN FILE AN INJUNCTION AGAINST THE PROPERTY OWNERS. I DON'T KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT REAL ESTATE LOSS TO KNOW ALL OF THAT. I DON'T KNOW HOW THE COUNTY HAS A CLAIM. NOT SAYING WE ARE NOT SYMPATHETIC. I DON'T KNOW HOW TO ENCUMBER THE COUNTY TO DO SOMETHING. TO BE A BLANK CHECK BOOK AND I WANT TO BE CAUTIOUS. BECAUSE I WILL TELL YOU THAT I HAVE A RESIDENT WHO LIVES IN MY DISTRICT WHO ALLEGES THERE HAS BEEN DECADES OF CONTAMINATION BY DUPONT MINING THAT HAS AFFECTED PEOPLE IN CLAY HILL. AS SHE HAS TRIED TO GET PEOPLE AT THE EPA LEVEL AND DEP LEVEL TO LISTEN AND NOTHING HAS BEEN DONE. MY CONCERN IS - DON'T GET ME WRONG. IT IS NOT THAT I DON'T CARE ABOUT PEOPLE. BUT THAT IS A RABBIT HOLE TO GO DOWN. AND I JUST CAN'T CONNECT THE DOTS THAT IS MY PERSONAL. MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS CAN TALK. I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO. I DON'T KNOW HOW TO ACT ON IT. >> I HAVE A COMMENT I LISTENED TO THE 2018 TAKE. THE COMMISSION AT THE TIME PLEDGE THEY WOULD DO SOMETHING. AND TO THIS DATE I HAVE NOT SEEN ANYTHING DONE IN WRITING. WE CAN TALK AND WE CAN MEET AND WE CAN HAVE WORKSHOPS. BUT I HAVE ASKED IS THERE ANYTHING THE COMMISSION HAS DONE TO GET THE DEP TO TEST THE WHOLE SITE, TO DO SOMETHING? I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO THIS IS A HUGE PROPERTY. THERE ARE ACCUSATIONS ALL OVER THE PLACE. WE HAVE A CLEAN SITE OF 600 ACRES AND A DIRTY SITE DEVELOPED 900 ACRES THAT IS CONTAMINATED. AND SO I DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT TO DO. BUT I THINK WE HAVE A PLEDGE TO DO SOMETHING. DEP SAYS TO EXECUTE THE CONSENT ORDER. BUT FORCE THE CONSENT ORDER. BEFORE IT IS SOLD. MAYBE CHANGE 2 MILLION DOLLARS PLEDGE YOU KNOW THAT IS NOT ENOUGH. >> I ALREADY SUGGESTED THAT TO THEM. >> BUT YOU ARE SAYING IT, SHE IS SAYING IT, BE SEEN IT IS NOT ENOUGH. I THINK THE COMMISSION NEEDS TO SAY IT. WITH A FORMAL LETTER TO REQUEST WHATEVER WE WANT TO REQUEST. >> I DON'T KNOW I WOULD REQUEST THE CLEANUP. >> I DID NOT SAY CLEANUP I SAID TEST. >> WE WERE TALKING ABOUT REQUIRED THEM TO CLEAN UP BEFORE THE PROPERTY CHANGES HANDS OR WHATEVER. THAT IS WHY THEY ARE GONE. ARE THEY CHANGING THE OWNER 200 ACRES? BUT THAT ONE HAS A CONSENT ORDER ON IT. DOES THE CONSENT ORDER FOLLOW IT? >> THE PURCHASER HAS ASKED FROM THE CONSENT ORDER AND WE DON'T AGREE WITH THAT. WE DON'T ALLOW THAT. BECAUSE WE DO WANT IF ABLE TO FIND ANY CONTAMINATION. THEY CAN STILL DO SOMETHING ABOUT THAT. >> MAYBE WHAT WE CAN DO. I DON'T KNOW IF IT HAS LEGAL BASIS. ASK A LETTER FROM THE COMMISSION AND I WOULD BE WILLING TO SIGN IT. IF WE ACCEPTED IT TO IMPLORE DEP TO DO EVERYTHING THEY CAN TO NOT LEAVE THE PROPERTY THE ORIGINAL OWNER OWNED. SO IF IT TRANSFERS IT CHANGES HANDS ALL AS ONE. >> THE CONSENT ORDER APPLIES TO THE WHOLE PROPERTY? >> AND TO DO UP TO DATE TESTING TO SEE IF THERE HAS BEEN MIGRATION AND WATER CONTAMINATION. >> IN 2018 THAT HAS NOT EVER BEEN APPLIED. >> ASK FOR THAT. I THINK WE COULD DRAFT A LETTER ASKING FOR THESE THINGS. AND WHETHER DEP WILL LISTEN TO US. [04:55:06] QUICK THEY WILL TALK TO THE TWO PEOPLE TOMORROW. BUT THEY HAD AT LEAST GIVEN THAT. >> I THINK SENDING A LETTER. I DEFINITELY SUPPORT THAT. I DON'T KNOW HOW TO ENCUMBER COUNTY FUNDS WITHOUT KNOWING. WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION ON THAT. >> CHAIR, FIRST OF ALL I AGREE. I THINK THE REASON WE HAVE 2019 WE DID NOT DO ANYTHING. WE REALLY CANNOT PUT A FINGER ON WHAT WE COULD DO. AND I THINK WE ARE IN THAT SAME QUANDARY AS IN 2018. THAT LETTER TO DEP. THE FULL STATE DELEGATION I DON'T THINK YOU CAN JUST STOP WITH SAM ONE ELECTED OFFICIAL IN TALLAHASSEE TO CLEAR A CASE WITH DEP THAT WOULD PUT ADDITIONAL PRESSURE ON THEM. MORE SO THAN SAYING. AND QUITE HONESTLY MOST OF WHAT I HAVE HEARD. AND I AM NOT SAY ANYTHING SOMEBODY HASN'T PERSONALLY FROM PERSONAL EXPERIENCE. BUT ANECDOTAL CLEAN IS WHAT WE ARE HEARING FOLLOWING THESE CLAIMS. AND WE NEED SOME KIND OF TEST SCORE OR SOME KIND WHATEVER IT MAY BE TO ACTUALLY PROVE TO SOMEBODY. AND YOU ARE ON A WELL? >> YES. >> HAVE YOU DONE WELL TESTING? >> I DID WELL TESTING MYSELF AND THEY TESTED CERTAIN THINGS. BUT THEY SAID UNLESS WE KNEW FOR SURE ALL THE DIFFERENT CONTAMINANTS THEY USED WE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO. >> WE TESTED FOR THOSE. WHO ARE THEY? QUICK THEY ARE REPUTABLE ENVIRONMENTAL FORM. >> DO NOT SEE ANYBODY ELSE. >> WE ASKED FOR THE TESTING OF THE LEG. WHERE IS THE TESTING AND THEY DID NOT KNOW. SO I AM NOT SURE. ALL THE STUFF DUMPED IN THEIR. BUT THAT IS ANOTHER AREA. QUICK THAT CERTAINLY IS A PROBLEM. IS LOOKING TO MOVE FORWARD TESTING IS THE ANSWER. AT THIS POINT IN TIME IT IS BEEN TURNED DOWN BY THE PROPERTY OWNER. AND DO THE TESTING. THE ONLY ONE WHO CAN DO THAT IS DEP. SO THEY ARE THE ONES WHO CAN FORCE THE ISSUE WE CAN'T DO THAT. THE ONLY THING YOU CAN DO IS JUST AROUND THE PERIPHERY THOSE WELLS AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS. I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THAT SPECIFIC TO TELL YOU WHAT TO DO OR NOT DO. I THINK THE MORE YOU HAVE SHOWN YOU HAVE TESTED AND COME UP WITH EVEN SOME PRELIMINARY KIND OF RESULTS. TO BACK WHAT YOU ARE SAYING I THINK IT MAKES IT DIFFICULT FOR ANYBODY TO MOVE FORWARD. AND PUTTING THE REQUIREMENTS WE THINK SHOULD BE PUT ON THE PROPERTY CERTAINLY NOT GOING TO ANSWER MONDAY. AND GET IT TO PEOPLE THERE. TO TRY AND STOP IT. THAT IS THE CLOSING DATE FOR THIS PROPERTY. I HAVE HEARD NUMEROUS THINGS ABOUT THAT. >> IT IS A DEAL THEY ARE NOT GOING TO START DEVELOPING THE PROPERTY. IF WE NOTE THE WILL WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT I THINK THAT WOULD BE A BIG DEAL. BECAUSE BUYERS WILL MAKE THEM SAY TO I WANT TO DEAL WITH THAT? >> CERTAINLY A LETTER SIGNED BY THE CHAIRMAN FROM THE FULL BOARD IS MORE POWERFUL THAN ONE COMMISSIONER OUR STAFF CALLING THEM. IT IS IN WRITING. AND MAYBE COPY THE GOVERNOR. HE IS BEEN ON CLEAN WATER AND ALL THIS STUFF AND IF WE HAVE A PROBLEM. IT DOES NOT HURT TO MAKE THAT AND ASK. I THINK THAT IS WHERE WE ARE. AND CERTAINLY PEOPLE I DON'T KNOW THE TEST IN YOUR WEALTH WAS. BUT THE MORE YOU CAN DO THAT I THINK THE BETTER OFF IN AN OCCASION WHERE YOU FIND SPECIFICS. THAT CHANGES THE GAME AS FAR AS I AM CONCERNED. BUT I THINK THAT CAN SOMEBODY'S ATTENTION. AND THAT CAN TELL US MORE. >> I DEFINITELY TEST YOUR WATER FOR LEAD LEVELS. THE THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT. SO WE KNOW. COMMISSIONER RENNEGER, . >> DEPENDING WE CAN PURSUE CHAMPION ON THE FEDERAL LEVEL. AND CONGRESS ABOUT THIS PROBLEM. [05:00:02] CREATE AN ARGUMENT TO LOVE CANAL UNTIL THE OTHER SUPERFUND SITES. I HAVE HEARD TONIGHT THIS IS A SUPER FUND SITE. QUICK THEY CALL IT SOMETHING ELSE? >> IT WAS EQUAL BUT THE SAME. >> MY POINT IS IF WE DO NOT GET THE RESPONSE OUT OF DEP THEY WORK WITH THE EPA. AND I HAVE HAD PERSONAL EXPERIENCE WITH THIS. WHERE I COULD NOT GET SOMETHING DONE HERE LOCALLY UNTIL I WENT TO THE FEDERAL. I JUSTIFIED TO CONGRESS MARCH 30TH, '22,007. AND THEY ARE CALLING ME SAYING WHERE DO YOU WANT THE WELLS BUILT? IT IS AMAZING WHAT THE FEDERAL EVER MET WITH TOP-DOWN DIRECTION WILL GIVE. I DON'T KNOW WHO THE BELLY BUTTON AND CONGRESS IS. TO BE ABLE TO AFFECT THAT BUT WE OUGHT TO BE THINKING ABOUT DEP BEING LESS THAN RESPONSIVE. LIKE YOU SAID THEY WORK FOR SOMEBODY. THAT IS SOMETHING TO CONSIDER. >> AND OTHER THING THAT OCCURRED TO ME. ONE THING WE CAN CONTROL IS ZONING AND LAND USE OF THE ACRES. IS THERE SOMETHING WE COULD PUT ON THAT PROPERTY? I NO BECAUSE IT IS IN LAKE ASBURY MASTER PLAN THERE'S A MORATORIUM ALREADY. ZONING AND LAND USE OF THE ACRES? >> THE ONLY DESIGNATION WHICH IS BASICALLY 0 YOU CAN DO ANYTHING WITH IT. >> A DESIGNATION NOTHING CAN BE DONE? >> COURTNEY GRIMM: YOU HAVE TO COME BACK IT WILL PROVIDE THREE PER ACRE. IT HAS TO COME TO US THEY CAN PUT THREE PER ACRE. >> THERE IS A MORATORIUM ON INCREASING DENSITY RIGHT NOW THE DENSITY IS 0. >> THROUGH THE END OF THE YEAR ON THAT BASED ON WHAT WE DID WITH THE OTHER LAKE ASBURY MASTER PLAN. THE OTHER PERSON I WOULD LIKE TO RECOGNIZE. IF YOU DO NOT WANT TO SPEAKER DON'T HAVE ANYTHING BUT WE HAVE WITH US ERIC ACRES IT. IF YOU MISSED PUBLIC, PEOPLE WERE TALKING ABOUT IT. ERIC WORKS FOR NORTHEAST WATER MANAGEMENT COUNSEL HIS EXPERTISE IS AN EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT. AROUND HAZARDOUS-WASTE. I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY CAN PROVIDE YOU ANY GUIDANCE OR ANY KIND OF RECOMMENDATION. BUT ERIC IS A GREAT PERSON YOU MAY WANT TO CONNECT WITH. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU WANT TO SHARE TONIGHT. >>(POFF MIC) >> THANK YOU. >> (OFF MIC) THEY CAN'T HEAR YOU SORRY, ERIC. >> I AM NOT A SUBJECT MATTER EXPERT. THE ISSUE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT BUT THE CONCEPT YOU TALK ABOUT FOR REMEDIATION, TESTING IS ON THE PUBLIC SIDE. SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT ABILITIES YOU HAVE FOR PUBLIC PRIVATE PROPERTY. THEY CAN DICTATE THE LAND YOU PUT ON OR TEST ON THE PROPERTY. AGAIN JUST TRYING TO ASSIST ACROSS THE REGION. CERTAINLY CAN ENTERTAIN THE CONVERSATION WITH OUR STAFF. BUT I THINK THE CONVERSATION WE HAVE INTERNALLY IS VERY MUCH LIKE THE CONVERSATION WE ARE HAVING NOW. WHAT AUTHORITIES DO WE HAVE? WHAT LIMITATIONS DO WE HAVE? AND WHAT IS THE PATH FORWARD? >> I DON'T KNOW YOU CAN GET ANYBODY TO RESPOND TO THIS. BECAUSE YOU DO NOT HAVE AN ACTIVE ENVIRONMENTAL CRIME GOING ON. BUT WITH DELEGATIONS THERE'S A SEPARATE ENVIRONMENTAL CRIME DIVISION. A SEPARATE GROUP AT DEP THEY ARE NOT THOSE IN JACKSONVILLE. BECAUSE EACH OF THE OFFICES WHILE DELEGATION OVER THERE. JUST LIKE JACKSONVILLE, FLORIDA. MORE CENTRAL FLORIDA. TALLAHASSEE COMES DOWN NORTHWEST. BUT THEN THERE BE IN ENVIRONMENTAL CRIMES DIVISION OUT AT TALLAHASSEE? >> I WOULD HAVE TO INVESTIGATE WHAT AUTHORITIES THE STATE HAS. WITH THAT MAY BE SOMETHING BECAUSE THEY CARRY GUNS. TAKEN GO ON. THEY CAN FORCE THEIR WAY ON THE PROPERTY WHEN THE PROPERTY OWNER SAYS NO. AND USUALLY THAT IS DONE IN SITUATIONS WHEN THERE ARE ACTIVE CRIMES GOING ON. THAT IS NOT THE CASE HERE WITH WASTE. THIS PROPERTY FROM THE 90S. BUT YOU MAY NEED TO FIND [05:05:02] SOMEBODY TO PURSUE THAT AS WELL. >> I THINK IT BEARS FRUIT COMMISSIONER RENNER TALKING ABOUT THE EPA. WE HAVE TWO MEMBERS OF CONGRESS THAT ARE RATHER CLOSE TO OUR COUNTY. AND A CALL TO EITHER ONE TO SEE IF WE CAN GET A NAME OR SOMEONE WE CAN DIRECT A LETTER TO AND COPY THEM ON. NOT TOO MUCH DIFFERENT THAN THE LETTER WE ARE SENDING OUT OTHER THAN EDUCATING THEM OF WHAT IS HAPPENING. AND TO WE NEED TO TALK TO ABOUT GETTING HELP WITH THAT. AND WE WILL GO THAT ROUTE WE MIGHT AS WELL GO TO AS MANY AS WE CAN. >> AYE VERY MUCH. >> AND HEAVENLY WE WANT TO STICK TO THE FACTS. WHAT WE KNOW IS THERE WAS OBVIOUSLY IS HANDLING OF HAZARDOUS WASTE. BURNING OF HAZARDOUS-WASTE ON THE PROPERTY THAT IS WHY THERE IS A CONSENT ORDER TO BEGIN WITH. YOU MAY WANT TO SPEAK TO THOSE THINGS. BUT AS FAR AS THE HEALTH ISSUES AND ALL I WOULD DEFINITELY PURSUE THAT SEPARATELY. WITH A CLASS-ACTION. IT IS DIFFICULT IT WAS WAY BACK THEN THEY DID NOT KNOW WHAT WAS GOING ON. >> YOU NEED SOMEBODY TO DO THE EPIDEMIOLOGY. >> THEY DO NOT HAVE THE ABILITY HERE IN OUR COUNTY. SHE IS RESEARCHING THAT ALSO. >> THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH. >> SHOULD WE DRAFT A LETTER? >> WHAT ARE YOU SPECIFICALLY ASKING? >> CHAIR BETSY CONDON: YOU ARE ASKING THINGS I DON'T THINK ARE POSSIBLE I WILL WRITE A LETTER. WHAT ARE YOUR ASS? >> I THINK TEST DONE ON THE PROPERTY TO INCLUDE THE WHOLE PROPERTY. I DON'T KNOW. I GOT TO THINK ABOUT IT. >> WHAT THE EMPLOYEES ACTUALLY SOLVE. BARRELS, HAZARDOUS CONTAMINATION. MAYBE LOOK AT THAT? >> WE CAN INCLUDE THAT IN THE INVESTIGATION. WE CAN ASK DEP TO DO ANYTHING. >> WE WANT UPDATED SOIL AND WATER TESTING. ON A MONITORING PLAN OR TESTING PLAN. THAT IS REVIEWED BY NOT JUST DEP. WE CAN ASK FOR US TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT IF THEY WILL AGREE TO THAT. BUT DEFINITELY COMMISSIONER BURKE TO LOOK AT IT. RIGHT NOW HERE IS THE PROBLEM. WE HAVE GOT TO BE CAREFUL WE DO NOT PUNCH DEP IN THE FACE WHEN WE ASK DEP TO HELP US. >> WE WOULD ASK FOR INDEPENDENT CONSULTANTS. SO THAT WAS ANOTHER THING WE TALKED ABOUT. >> THAT IS WHAT THEY ARE REQUIRED TO DO. SO WHEN SOLD LIGHT CLOSED. THEY HAD TO HAVE A ROBUST PLAN. NO PLAN APPROVED WHAT THEY WERE DOING. BUT WHEN THEY DID A CLOSURE. THE CLOSURE WOULD HAVE A PLAN. QUICK THEY SAID THEY WOULD. HAVE WE ASKED? >> BOULDER ASSOCIATES IS A WELL RESPECTED ENVIRONMENTAL FIRM. I THINK THEY ARE A NATIONWIDE FIRM. >> COURTNEY, YOU ARE ASKING US WHAT TO PUT IN THE LETTER. AND I AM SURE YOU WILL HANDLE THAT WITH UTMOST CARE IN THE WAY THAT YOU PRESENT THAT TO THE DEP SO WE DON'T HAVE A CONCERN OF INSULTING THEM. WHILE ASKING FOR THEIR GUIDANCE ON THIS. I GUESS YOU ARE ASKING US TO OUTLINE WHAT WILL BE IN THAT LETTER? >> YOU HAVE THROWN AROUND A LOT OF THINGS. >> SHE JUST NEEDS A BULLET POINT SO THE CONVERSATION KEEPS GOING 1 MILLION DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS. IF WE COULD JUST LIST OUT WHAT WE WANT THAT TO SAY. SO SHE HAS CLEAR DIRECTION ON HOW TO MOVE FORWARD I THINK THAT WOULD BE GOOD. >> AS OF RIGHT NOW I DID SOIL AND WATER TESTING FOR THE ENTIRE PROPERTY WITH THE OPPORTUNITY TO VIEW THE RESULTS. >> PAYING CLOSE ATTENTION TO WHAT THE EMPLOYEES ARE TELLING THEM. THE AREA. [05:10:05] >> YOU WANT TO ASK THEM? >> THEY WILL TALK TO THEM TOMORROW. >> I WOULD ASK. THEY TRIED TO COORDINATE AND NOT SEEN CONFIRMATION. >> AND I THINK WE ARE ASKING DEP TO NOT ALLOW THE SALE OF THE PROPERTY SPLITTING THE TWO. INTO TWO DIFFERENT ENTITIES. >> AND WE CAN CERTAINLY INCLUDE THAT. CLEARLY ON THE PHONE CALL THE DEP. NO REGULATORY AUTHORITY. I DON'T MIND INCLUDING. >> BASICALLY WHAT THEY ARE DOING THEY ARE SELLING IT IS CURRENTLY NOT ONE PARCEL. IT IS ONE PARCEL? THEY ARE SPLITTING THE PARCEL. HOW DO YOU SPLIT A PARCEL? >> HOW DO YOU SPLIT A PARCEL? >> THEY ARE DOING DIFFERENT LEGAL DESCRIPTIONS. ALL I NO IS WHAT COMMISSIONER BURKE AND I HAVE SEEN IN THE PUBLIC RECORD. THEY ARE BASED ON THE EMAILS THAT ARE GONE BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN THE ATTORNEY AND THE DEP. THERE ARE DIFFERENT PHASES. THE FACILITY IS CURRENTLY DESIGNATED AS PARCEL ABC AND PARCEL A HAS AN EXCEPTION. THAT IS WHAT IT IS DEFINED. THEY WISH TO CONVEY PARCEL A, PARCEL B AND PARCEL C. THE EXCEPTION TO PARCEL A WHICH IS THE 264 ACRES CONTAMINATED. THEY PROPOSE TO CONVEY TO A SEPARATE ENTITY. CURRENTLY RIGHT NOW THEY OWN ALL FOUR THEY RECALL THE SEPARATE PARCELS. >> I DON'T KNOW IF YOU REMEMBER BACK IN 2018 THE COMMISSION SAID THEY WOULD CLEAN IT ALL OR NOT SELL ANY OF IT. I ASKED AUTHORITY TO SAY THAT. >> HERE IS THE WAY IT WILL ALL WORK. IF THEY OWN BOTH PIECES OF PROPERTY THEY CAN SPLIT THEIR PROPERTY. AND HAVE A NEW SURVEY DONE. AND FILE IT WITH THE CLERK'S OFFICE. AND THE ONLY REASON I KNOW THAT IS BECAUSE I DID THAT. NOW I HAVE TWO SEPARATE PARCELS. BUT HAD TO HAVE A NEW SURVEY DONE IF EACH SEPARATE PARCEL. AND I SPLIT I PARCELS WITH THE LEGAL DESCRIPTIONS WRITTEN BY THE SURVEYORS AND THE ATTORNEY AND FILED WITH THE CLERK'S OFFICE. I DON'T KNOW HOW WE STOP PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNERS FROM THEIR OWN PROPERTY. NOW OBVIOUSLY THEY CAN'T SPLIT IT INTO SUCH SMALL PARCELS THAT THEN FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF IT. I DON'T REALLY KNOW HOW YOU ADDRESS THAT. >> THIS LETTER ALSO. COURTNEY AND I ALREADY ASKED THE 600 THE CONSENT ORDER. >> WANT TO ASK THAT, COURTNEY. WE DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER YET BUT TOLD THEM WE DID NOT WANT THAT. >> I WOULD LIKE THAT. AND I THINK MAYBE WE CLOSE IT WITH WE WOULD RESPECTFULLY ASK THAT DEP TAKE ILLEGAL MEASURE THEY CAN TO ENSURE THE PROTECTION, LONG-TERM OF NOW AND THE FUTURE OF THE PROPERTY. >> AND I DO THINK THAT IN THINKING THROUGH THIS NOW. LIKE I SAID I DID NOT HAVE A LOT OF INFORMATION BEFORE TONIGHT TO THINK THROUGH. I APOLOGIZE. BUT I THINK OUR MORATORIUM COVERS CHANGES. WE CAN GO TO THINGS LIKE CHANGE THE ZONING TO 0. THEY CAN COME AND SUE US. >> IF THERE HAS BEEN ZONING? >> IT CAN'T CHANGE UNTIL NEXT DECEMBER AT THE EARLIEST. WE MAY WANT TO CONSIDER SOMETHING MORE UNDERSTANDING THAT CAN COME WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER SUING THE COUNTY. >> I THOUGHT MIKE SAID IT IS TYPICALLY 0. [05:15:07] >> IN THREE DIFFERENT PLACES. THE SOUL LIKE SHELBY THAT PROPERTY KNOWN AS THE SOUL LIKE SITE. TALKS ABOUT IT BEING UNDER CONSENT. THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS WILL CONSIDER GRANTING THAT DOES NOT EXCEED THREE UNITS PER ACRE. IS A BINDING COMMITMENT TO REMEDIATE THE SITE AS PROFFERED BY THE OWNER AND APPLICANT. DEVELOPED DEVELOPMENT SHELBY STANDARD TO LAKE ASBURY COMMUNITY LAND USE CATEGORIES. UNDERLINE LAND-USE. THAT IS THE PLAN PROVISION? WHAT THAT WOULD NEED TO CHANGE I KNOW THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS ASKING ABOUT THAT. THE LANGUAGE WAS CHANGED. SO THAT THE LAST FEW YEARS? CAN WE CHANGE IT BACK? >> NO THAT WAS CHANGED FOR THAT PURPOSE. WHAT IT IS SAYING IS THAT UNLESS THERE WAS A BINDING AGREEMENT TO CLEAN UP THE PROPERTY. THAT THEY COULD NOT COME BACK TO THE THREE UNIT PER ACRE. SO THEY HAVE TO HAVE IN AGREEMENT. >> THE CONSENT ORDER? >> THAT IS WHERE YOU NEED DEP NOT TO SWITCH THE CONSENT ORDER. >> I DO NOT THINK IT IS A TOPIC WE SHOULD BE DISCUSSED. IF YOU WANT TO GET INTO IT THE ISSUE IS THE CONTAMINATED VERSUS NON-CONTAMINATED DEP. THE 600 NEEDING REMEDIATION. >> IF YOU RECALL THAT IS WHAT THEY CALLED IN 2018. THEY USED 2 MILLION. THEY WANTED TO SELL OFF PARTS OF THE SO-CALLED UNCONTAMINATED TO RAISE ENOUGH MONEY TO CLEAN UP THE 200 ACRES. >> WE ASKED TO INCREASE THAT. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE NUMBER IS. THE CAN WE INCREASE THAT? THE 2 MILLION? THAT SOMETHING WE CAN DO? >> IN TERMS OF CLEANUP COST? >> THAT IS THE NUMBER WOULD HAVE TO PUT INTO ESCROW IS 2 MILLION. AND THAT WAS DECIDED IN 2006. WE HAVE SEEN EVERYTHING INCREASE THE LAST YEAR'S TRIP EXPONENTIAL NUMBERS. >> THAT STUDY SHOULD UPDATE. >> I WOULD THINK THEY WOULD DO THAT IF THEY SEE THE STUDY WOULD INCREASE THAT. >> YOU COULD ALWAYS FIGURE OUT WHAT IT SHOULD BE AFTER INFLATION. IT WAS EARLY 2000 WHEN THE CONSENT DECREE WAS PUT IN, $2 MILLION. >> IS THERE HARM IN INCLUDING THAT? >> AT LEAST CONSIDER IT. I THINK WE NEED TO REALIZE. IF YOU ASK PEOPLE TO DO SOMETHING THEY WILL ASK US WHAT WE WANT. >> I LIKED COURTNEY'S PHRASING THE SHARP FINANCIAL ASSURANCE. >> WE ARE ASKING DEP TO DO SOMETHING OUTSIDE THE RESPONSIBILITY. >> NO THIS IS ALL WITHIN THEIR RESPONSIBILITY. >> CORRECT. >> TICKET ASK US THIS IS GOING TO COST YOU SO MUCH. >> IF THEY FIND IT OUTSIDE THE CONTAMINATED AREA AT THE REQUIRED? ARE PEOPLE REQUIRED TO? >> ALL I KNOW IS WE ARE ASKING THEM TO DO SOMETHING THEY DON'T SEE ANY NEED TO DO. SO THEY MAY ASK US IT WILL COST $6 MILLION. >> OKAY. HERE IS WHAT MOST LIKELY HAPPEN. AND I DON'T KNOW WHO YOU TALKED TO. BUT USUALLY YOU HAVE THE YOUNG GUY OR GIRL. YOU'RE NOT TALKING TO THE SUPERVISOR. NEAR NOT TALKING TO THE ONES IN TALLAHASSEE. YOU HAVE GOT TO GET THEM INVOLVED. YOU HAVE TO GO HIGHER THAN THIS PERSON. QUICK THERE WAS A RANGE OF THEM YESTERDAY. >> BUT WHEN WE CALLED BACK NOW. YOU ARE TALKING TALLAHASSEE OR JACKSONVILLE? >> WHEN WE SENT A LETTER IT IS NOT THE YOUNG GUY. QUICK THE YOUNG GUY DECIDES IF HE NEEDS TO DO ADDITIONAL TESTING. IS READING THE REPORT HE IS NOT [05:20:01] SEEING IT. BUT HE HAS TO HAVE SOME KIND OF SCIENTIFIC REASON TO THINK IT HAS NOT BEEN UPGRADED. THEY TOLD US THEY DID NOT THINK IT WOULD MIGRATE. >> DO THEY HAVE MONITOR WELLS ON THE PROPERTY? SO WHAT THEY SHOULD BE DOING. IT SHOULD NOT BE HARD TO DO. THAT MONITOR IS DEEP IN THE WATER. AND THE WAY THOSE ARE SET UP YOU SHOULD HAVE SOME FREQUENCY IN TESTING AND THOSE YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO SEE. AND THAT IS WHAT THEY ARE MAKING THAT DECISION BASED ON. DO YOU FEEL YOU HAVE ENOUGH, COURTNEY? DO YOU FEEL AT LEAST AN EFFORT WE CAN MAKE FOR NOW. AND WE CAN THINK OF SOMETHING MORE? ARE WE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT? THE ONLY OTHER THING, IRONICALLY ENOUGH. THAT I HAD A CITIZEN ASKED ME ABOUT. APPARENTLY, WE USED TO ONCE A YEAR TO HOUSEHOLD HAZARDOUS WASTE AMNESTY DAYS AT ROSEMARY. I DON'T KNOW HE WAS SPECIFICALLY ASKING ABOUT THE ECC AND IF WE HAVE PLANS TO DO THAT FOR A SPRING CLEANING. SO I SAID I WOULD BRING IT UP. I HAD NOT HEARD OF ANYTHING I WOULD BRING IT UP AND ASK. AND IN MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS WERE INTERESTED IN THAT. CHARLIE, MAYBE YOU CAN COME BACK WITH SOME IDEAS. SOMETHING IF IT IS WORTHWHILE. >> ( OFF MIC) RIGHT, I THINK THAT HE DID NOT WANT TO DRIVE. FOR WHATEVER REASON. AND SO IF YOU CAN COME BACK WITH SOMETHING. * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.