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>>> WELCOME EVERYBODY TO THE CLAY COUNTY PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING FOR FEBRUARY 7, 2023.
BEFORE WE GET STARTED WITH ANYTHING HERE I'D ASK EVERYONE TO STAND AND WE'LL RECITE THE PLEDGE, PLEASE.
>> I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION, UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
>> THANK YOU. NORMALLY AT THIS POINT I WOULD JUST DO SOME INTRODUCTIONS OF WHO'S IN THE ROOM.
BUT I WANTED TO MAKE SURE BEFORE I KEEP PEOPLE HERE TOO LONG, ON OUR AGENDA TONIGHT, ITEM NUMBER 1 IS GOING TO BE CONTINUED UNTIL NEXT MONTH. THAT'S THE APARTMENT COMPLEX OVER WHAT IS IT LIVE OAK AND LANDING? I'M SORRY, OAK LANE AND BLANDING.
IF ANYBODY IS HERE THAT WANTS TO TALK ON THAT, I WILL OPEN A PUBLIC HEARING. BUT WE'LL HAVE THE FULL HEARING ON IT NEXT MONTH. THANK YOU.
SO IF YOU'RE HERE FOR THAT AND WANT TO LEAVE, FINE.
IF YOU WANT TO STAY, WE'RE HAPPY TO HAVE YOU HERE.
THANK YOU. SO MY NAME IS RALPH PUCKHABER, I'M THE CHAIRMAN. WE'VE GOT CHRISTINE.
WE'VE GOT BETH CARSON. I'VE GOT TO LOOK UP THE NEW TITLES. DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF PLANNING AND ZONING. WE HAVE DODIE SELLING.
DODIE IS THE CHIEF PLANNER. AND THEN ON THE DAIS UP HERE ON MY RIGHT IS PETE DAVIS AND NEXT TO HIM BO NORTON AND TO MY RIGHT IS MARY BRIDGMAN WHO IS THE VICE CHAIR.
AND TO MY LEFT HERE IS MICHAEL BOURRE, JOE ANZALONE AND BILL GARRISON. NEXT TO JOE IS A REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE SCHOOL BOARD. AND WE ALSO HAVE IN THE AUDIENCE, WE'VE GOT COURTNEY GRAHAM OUR COUNTY ATTORNEY, HER ASSISTANT JAIME HOVDA. MIKE BROWN WHO IS THE ZONING CHIEF. I THINK THAT'S SAMANTHA OLSON BACK THERE ONE OF THE PLANNERS. AND ED LEHMAN WHO'S OUR DIRECTOR OF PLANNING & ZONING. AND AS ALWAYS WE APPRECIATE THE CLAY COUNTY SHERIFF PROVIDING A DEPUTY FOR OUR SECURITY, DEPUTY WILSON TONIGHT. NO, YOU CHANGED ON ME.
SERGEANT MCDADE. THIS COMMISSION IS AN ADVISORY BOARD TO THE CLAY COUNTY BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS.
IT'S NEXT WEEK AND THREE WEEKS FROM NOW.
SO WITH THAT, I THINK WE CAN LAUNCH RIGHT INTO OUR AGENDA.
[1. Approval of Minutes]
WE WILL START WITH THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FROM JANUARY.ANY CHANGES, COMMENTS OR A MOTION?
>> OKAY. MR. BOURRE AND MS. BRIDGMAN THE SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
>> AYE. >> I'M GOING TO OPEN A PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD. IF ANYONE WANTS TO ADDRESS ANYTHING PERTINENT TO THIS BOARD BUT IT IS NOT ONE OF THE AGENDA ITEMS, I'M GOING TO OPEN IT. I DON'T SEE ANYBODY COMING
[1. Public Hearing to consider CPA-2022-19 and PUD-2022-11. (District 2, Comm. Compere) (D. Selig)]
FORWARD, SO I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND CLOSE THIS.AND WE'LL MOVE INTO ITEM NUMBER 1.
NOW ON ITEM NUMBER 1 THIS IS THE ONE I MENTIONED BEFORE WE STARTED. I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND OPEN THE PUBLIC, I DON'T THINK WE NEED A PRESENTATION ON THIS.
WE'VE HAD THAT. SO I'M JUST GOING TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING ON IT. THIS WAS FOR CPA-2022-19 AND
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PUD-2022-11. THE APPLICANT HAS ASKED TO HAVE THAT CONTINUED UNTIL NEXT MONTH. MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THEY HAVE BEEN MEETING WITH SOME OF THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS OUT THERE AND TRYING TO WORK OUT SOME TYPE OF SOLUTION AND THEY ASKED IF WE WOULD GIVE THEM ANOTHER MONTH TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN.SO DOES ANYBODY HERE WANT TO SPEAK ON THAT ITEM? OKAY, SEEING NONE I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
AND WE NEED A MOTION TO CONTINUE THIS UNTIL THE NEXT MEETING.
>> MOTION TO CONTINUE TO THE NEXT MEETING.
YEAH, OR SOON THEREAFTER AS CAN BE HEARD.
>> OKAY SO A MOTION THAT WE CONTINUE IT TO MARCH 7TH.
>> OR SOON THEREAFTER AS CAN BE HEARD.
>> OR SOON THEREAFTER. >> SECOND.
>> AND A SECOND FROM M MS. BRIDGMAN.
ALL THOSE IF FAVOR OF CONTINUING STATE AYE.
[2. Public Hearing to consider LDC 2022-17. (B. Carson)]
OKAY WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM 2. ITEM 2 IS A PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER LDC2022-17. THESE ARE SOME PROPOSED AMENDMENTS TO ARTICLE II OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.AND MS. CARSON HAS THIS ONE. >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
THIS ITEM WILL BE GOING BEFORE THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS. I APOLOGIZE, THAT SLIDE SAYS BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS RIGHT THERE.
BUT IT WILL BE HEARD BEFORE THE BOARD ON THE 28TH OF FEBRUARY.
THIS IS A PROPOSED AMENDMENT TO ARTICLE II.
STAFF REPORT, I CALLED IT TYLER TECHNOLOGIES.
THAT'S ACTUALLY THE COMPANY PROVIDING THE PROGRAMMING.
TO GIVE YOU THE OFFICIAL NAME IT IS ENTERPRISE PERMITTING AND LICENSING OR EPL IS WHAT THE NEW ONLINE PROGRAMMING IS.
IT IS FOR ALL APPLICATION SUBMITTALS FROM COMP PLAN AMENDMENTS TO BUILDING PERMITS. EVERYTHING IS GOING TO ELECTRONIC, NO LONGER PAPER COPIES.
SO THAT IS ONE OF THE CHANGES THAT WE ARE PROPOSING TO INCLUDE ELECTRONIC THROUGHOUT ARTICLE II AS THE REQUIRED SUBMITTAL FORMAT. WE ARE ALSO REQUESTING A CHANGE IN THE EXTENSION OF REVIEW TIME BY FIVE WORKING DAYS.
AND THIS IS NEEDED FOR TWO REASONS.
ONE, VOLUME. AND THE SECOND REASON IS THE MASTER PLANS. THE MASTER PLANS ARE INTENDED TO GIVE US MUCH BETTER DESIGN, BUT THEY ARE QUITE COMPLEX.
AND AS YOU SEE MOST EVERYTHING IS BEING DEVELOPED AT THIS TIME IN THE MASTER PLAN AREAS. SO THE FIRST PLANNED SUBMITTAL WOULD GO TO A REVIEW PERIOD OF 20 WORKING DAYS FROM THE CURRENT 15. THE SUBSEQUENT SUBMITTAL IF THEY NEED TO MAKE REVISIONS WOULD BE A TEN WORKING DAY REVIEW PERIOD INSTEAD OF FIVE. NO CHANGE IS PROPOSED TO THE FAST TRACK REVIEW PROCESS. WITH THIS NEW PROGRAMMING, APPLICANTS CAN MONITOR THE REVIEW PROCESS ONLINE AND THEY CAN MAKE REVISIONS ONCE THE REVIEW PROCESS IS COMPLETE.
THE OTHER CHANGE WE ARE PROPOSING RELATED TO THIS IS THIS IS LANGUAGE THAT SAYS THERE'S AN AUTOMATIC APPROVAL IF STAFF DOES NOT PROVIDE A RESPONSE WITH THE COMMENTS FOR THE REVIEW PROCESS. SO WE ARE REQUESTING THAT THAT BE TAKEN OUT. ALL APPLICANTS ARE REQUIRED TO MEET COUNTY CODE, FLORIDA BUILDING CODE, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN POLICIES, IN ADDITION TO LOCAL, FEDERAL, AND STATE POLICIES, AND THAT'S WHY WE ARE REQUESTING THAT.
BY COMPARISON, ST. JOHN'S COUNTY HAS SIMILAR REVIEW, 12 DAYS FOR 20 ACRES AND EIGHT DAYS FOR TEN ACRES.
CITY OF JACKSONVILLE HAS 28 WORKING DAYS FOR THEIR REVIEW PERIOD. AND 14 WORKING DAYS FOR SUBSEQUENT SUBMITTAL. NEITHER COUNTY OR CITY HAS A AUTOMATIC APPROVAL POLICY. BUT THOSE ARE THE DAYS THAT THEY HAVE. WE'RE ALSO ASKING FOR SOME CLARIFICATION TO THE REQUIRED SUBMITTAL.
WE HAVE HAD THIS ON OUR WEBSITE BUT WE HAVE NOT HAD IT CLEARLY CODIFIED IN THE POLICIES. WE ARE ALSO CHANGING THE DRC ATTENDANCE TO BE PRIOR TO PUD OR PCD OR PIC SUBMITTALS.
IN THE PAST WE'VE ACCEPTED THE APPLICATION, THE APPLICANT THEN GOES TO THE DRC, IF THERE'S CHANGES THEY HAV TO COME BACK WITH A REVISED APPLICATION. THIS WAY THEY WOULD ATTEND DRC
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UP FRONT, MAKE ANY CHANGES NECESSARY AND SUBMIT ONE COMPLETED APPLICATION. WE ARE ALSO CHANGING THE DRI SECTION TO REMOVE ANY REFERENCES TO NEW DRIS SINCE WE NO LONGER HAVE NEW DRIS. AND THERE ARE PLATTING PROCESS CHANGES AS WELL. SO PART OF THE CHANGES THAT WE'RE DOING IS TO CLARIFY WHAT CONSTITUTES THE COMPLETE CHANGES FOR REBUILDING PERMIT. MOST OF THIS IS NOT CHANGING.TERMINOLOGY OF COMPLETE IS. AND WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE IT VERY UNDERSTANDABLE WHAT IS EXPECTED IN ORDER TO GET A BUILDING PERMIT. SO FOR NON-RESIDENTIAL, SITE AND ARCHITECTURAL PLANS HAVE TO BE APPROVED, AND VERIFICATION OF ALL OF THE APPROPRIATE PAPERWORK IS SUBMITTED, ANY FLOOD DATA, ANYTHING LIKE THAT PRIOR TO YOUR BUILDING PERMIT BEING ISSUED.
THE NEXT STEP IS FOR CO FOR A NON-RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.
ENGINEERING AS BUILTS HAVE TO BE SUBMITTED AND REVIEWED.
FINAL SITE INSPECTIONS, ENGINEERING AND LANDSCAPE HAVE TO BE COMPLETED AND FINAL INSPECTIONS FOR THE BUILDING PERMIT. THAT'S THE ENTIRE PROCESS.
SO SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL, YOU APPROVED THIS A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, THREE MODEL PER BUILDER UP TO TEN MODELS TOTAL.
COMPLETE APPLICATION MEANS FINAL PLAN APPROVAL, SITE AND ARCHITECTURALS AGAIN HAVE TO BE COMPLETED.
BUILDING PERMIT VERIFICATION, AND THEN THE NEXT STAGE IS LOT AS BUILT APPROVAL, ENGINEERING AND LANDSCAPING, AND YOUR FINAL INSPECTIONS FOR YOUR BUILDING PERMIT.
THAT'S WHAT'S NEEDED FOR THE CO. AND THEN OF COURSE ALL OTHER PERMITS ARE ISSUED AFTER AND THIS WAS APPROVED YEARS AGO.
TO GET YOUR COMPLETE PERMIT, YOUR COMPLETE STATUS, YOU HAVE TO HAVE AGAIN THE SITE AND ARCHITECTURAL APPROVED BUILDING PERMIT VERIFICATION, RECORDING OF THE FINAL PLAT, ALL STORM WATER INSTALLED, SEWER AND WATER REUSE INSTALLED, AND DEVELOPMENT ROADWAY BUILT TO THE BASE. THAT IS WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING, WE'RE JUST TRYING TO CLARIFY THE POLICY.
AND THEN CO FOLLOWS THE SAME. THEN IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ON THE IMPACT HOW THAT FITS INTO THIS, IMPACT FEES CAN BE ASSESSED ANYTIME WHEN THE BUILDING IS ISSUED BUT THEY ARE NOT DUE UNTIL FINAL ELECTRIC CONNECTION.
THOSE ARE THE CHANGES WE'RE PROPOSING IN ARTICLE II.
WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL ON THIS AND OF COURSE I CAN ANSWER ANY
QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE. >> QUESTIONS?
>> THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION.
I CERTAINLY AGREE THERE'S AN EFFICIENCY OF GOING PAPERLESS.
I HAVE SEVERAL CONCERNS ABOUT THE PAPERLESS.
AND LIKE MAYBE SOME OTHERS THAT ARE ALREADY IN THAT SYSTEM, THE SYSTEM HAS CHALLENGES RIGHT NOW AND SO TRYING TO CALL IN INSPECTIONS OR FIND PERMITS, THERE ARE PROBLEMS IN THE SYSTEM. STAFF IS DOING A GREAT JOB BY THE WAY, I'VE MET WITH THEM A COUPLE OF TIMES ON SOME PROJECTS AND THEY'RE DOING AS BEST THEY CAN TO KIND OF GET THINGS BACK ON TRACK. MY FIRST CONCERN IS THE PERSONAL TOUCH PIECE. BY GOING PAPERLESS AND EVERYTHING ONLINE, MOST OF US CAN MAKE THAT TRANSITION FAIRLY EASILY. BUT WE HAVE RESIDENTS IN THE COUNTY WHO WILL NOT BE ABLE TO MAKE THAT CHANGE EASILY.
SO WHEN WE SAY EVERYTHING IS COMPLETELY PAPERLESS, WITH CITIZENS TRYING TO PERMIT A PROJECT FOR THEIR HOME FOR INSTANCE AND IT WOULD BE THE OWNER WHO IS THE BUILDER OF THEIR HOME, AND SO I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME GRAY SPACE FOR THOSE FOLKS, FOR THOSE CITIZENS COMING IN WHO MAY NOT BE ABLE TO MAKE THAT TRANSITION LIKE THE BUILDERS AND DEVELOPERS OF THE INDUSTRY WOULD. SO THAT WAS ONE CONCERN.
THE OTHER ONE OR THE NEXT ONE WAS THE AUTO APPROVAL.
WHAT WAS THE TIMEFRAME THE COMMENTS HAD TO BE REVIEWED AND
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FINALIZED BEFORE THE AUTO APPROVAL KICKED IN?>> I BELIEVE 15 WORKING DAYS. SO THAT IS FOR DEVELOPMENT PLAN REVIEW FOR, YEAH, THAT'S FOR THE PRIOR DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
>> I'M SORRY, I WENT FROM BUILDING PERMIT TO DEVELOPMENT SIDE. I SHOULD HAVE CLARIFIED THAT.
SO ON THE DEVELOPMENT SIDE, HOW LONG IS THAT TERM RIGHT NOW UNTIL THE AUTO APPROVAL KICKS IN?
>> RIGHT NOW IT IS 15 DAYS. >> FROM THE DAY --
>> 15 WORKING DAYS. >> FROM THE DATE IT'S SUBMITTED OR IS THAT COMMENTS BACK FROM THE DATE IT'S SUBMITTED BUT NOT
AN APPROVAL? >> IT'S STATED THAT IF ANY COUNTY AGENCY DOES NOT PROVIDE WRITTEN COMENTS WITHIN 15 WORKING DAYS OF RECEIPT OF THE PLAN, THE AGENCY WILL BE DEEMED TO HAVE NO COMMENTS REGARDING THE SUBMITTED PLAN WHICH IN EFFECT IS APPROVING IT SAYING THAT THERE'S NO COMMENTS.
>> SO I HAVE A CONCERN ABOUT TAKING OUT THE AUTO APPROVAL, NOT BECAUSE WE WANT THINGS APPROVED.
BUT I KNOW AND IT DOESN'T HAPPEN IN CLAY COUNTY, BUT IT DOES HAPPEN IN OTHER COUNTIES THAT HAVE HIGH GROWTH WHERE PLANS WILL SIT ON DESKS FOR IN SOME CASES MONTHS AND WILL NOT BE TOUCHED BECAUSE THERE IS NO REQUIREMENT FOR THEM TO MOVE.
THERE'S NO TIME FRAME THAT THEY'VE GOT TO OPERATE WITHIN.
AND SO PROJECTS THAT SHOULD HAVE MOVED FORWARD WITH AT LEAST COMMENTS IF NOT APPROVAL HAVE JUST SAT FOR MONTHS ON DESKS.
AND SO I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME MECHANISM THAT REQUIRES THE COUNTY TO MOVE IN AN EXPEDITIOUS MANNER TO MAKE AT LEAST FIRST ROUND OF COMMENTS. CERTAINLY NOT APPROVAL, I AGREE THAT IT NEEDS TO BE APPROVED, AND CLAY COUNTY HAS DONE A GREAT JOB WITH OUR DRC, OUR DEVELOPMENT REVIEW COMMITTEE WHEN THERE'S A PROJECT COMING IN.
BUT AS WE GROW, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT DOESN'T BECOME LIKE OTHER COUNTIES AROUND US WHERE IT GETS DRUG OUT FOR MONTHS AND MONTHS AND MONTHS BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THAT'S FAIR TO THE CITIZENS. I THINK THERE SHOULD BE SOME KIND OF A STOPGAP. AND IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT JUST DELETING THE AUTO APPROVAL, I HAVE A CONCERN ABOUT THAT.
THE NEXT QUESTION AND MY LEST -- LAST QUESTION, CAN YOU DEFINE FOR US WHAT A STATE OF FLORIDA REGISTERED PROFESSIONAL IS, IS THAT AN ARCHITECT, AN ENGINEER, A GENERAL CONTRACTOR OR A
BULDING CONTRACTOR? >> IT WOULD BE ALL OF THOSE.
SURVEYOR, ENGINEER, YES. >> SO WHEN WE'RE SUBMITTING A SET OF RESIDENTIAL PLANS IN THIS CASE, MOST BUILDERS USE DESIGNERS NOT ARCHITECTS UNLESS IT'S A HIGH-END PROJECT THAT REQUIRES AN ARCHITECTURAL LEVEL OF DETAIL.
WHEN THE DESIGNER DESIGNS, IT GETS SUBMITTED UNDER THE GENERAL CONTRACTOR OR BUILDER CONTRACTOR'S LICENSE SO WE STILL MEET THAT REQUIREMENT. THERE'S NOT A REQUIREMENT NOW TO BRING AN ARCHITECT IN; IS THAT CORRECT?
>> SO THE SECTION THAT'S REFERRING TO IS THE PRELIMINARY PLAN. SO THIS IS DEALING WITH THE MAJOR SUBDIVISION, IT WOULD BE THE ENGINEER THAT WOULD BE PROVIDING THAT SUBDIVISION. IT'S NOT REFERRING TO THE
INDIVIDUAL LOT. >> OKAY, THANK YOU.
I APPRECIATE THAT. >> AND THEN CAN I ALSO SAY WITH REGARDS TO INDIVIDUALS THAT MAY NOT HAVE ACCESS TO COMPUTERS TO SUBMIT THEIR PERMITS ONLINE, WE DO HAVE STAFF IN OUR OFFICE AND PEOPLE CAN COME IN AND STAFF WILL HELP THEM GET REGISTERED ONLINE AND HELP THEM THROUGH THE PROCESS.
>> WHAT ABOUT SCANNING PLANS. IF THEY HAVE A HARD SET OF PLANS THAT THEY'VE RECEIVED THAT THEY WANT TO BUILD, WILL THE STAFF BE ABLE TO SCAN THOSE PLANS OR WILL THEY NEED TO GO TO A THIRD PARTY
SCAN THEM AND BRING THEM BACK? >> MY UNDERSTANDING IS WE ARE WORKING TOWARDS HELPING THEM WITH SCANNING, BUT I DON'T HAVE A FIRM ANSWER ON THAT. AS YOU SAID WE'RE IN THE EARLY STAGES OF THIS AND TRYING TO WORK THROUGH THE ISSUES.
>> ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. >> ANYONE ELSE HAVE QUESTIONS
FOR STAFF? >> MIKE IS I'M SURE AWARE OF THIS, IF YOU'RE DOING A BUILDING PERMIT APPLICATION, THE BUILDING CODE SAYS THAT IT HAS TO BE RESOLVED WITHIN 30 WORKING DAYS.
SO SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT ON THE DEVELOPMENT SIDE.
I AGREE IT WOULD SEEM APPROPRIATE.
I WAS SHOCKED THAT THERE WAS SUCH THING AS AN AUTOMATIC APPROVAL. SO I COULD SEE WHY THAT WOULD GO AWAY, BUT YOU DON'T WANT IT TO SIT THERE FOREVER EITHER.
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I WAS JUST GOING TO COMMENT AND I THINK BETH HIT IT ALREADY THAT YOU'RE RIGHT ABOUT PEOPLE NEEDING HELP, CERTAIN PEOPLE WITH IT. THIS SOUNDS LIKE YOU'VE ALREADY GOT SOMETHING IN PLACE FOR THAT OTHER THAN THE SCANNING WHICH WE'LL WORK ON THAT. SO I THINK THAT WILL HELP THAT.AUTO APPROVAL, I DON'T LIKE ATOE APPROVAL EITHER.
BUT I AGREE WITH BILL THAT YOU CAN'T LEAVE IT OPEN ENDED.
SO I THINK I'D BE ASKING FOR A SUGGESTION AS WHAT WOULD BE THE BEST THING. IF IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE APPROVED WITHIN I THINK IT WAS 20 WORKING DAYS OR THAT WAS ONE OF THE NUMBERS. IF WE MISS THE 20 DAYS, THEN THERE WOULD BE LIKE AN AUTOMATIC EXTENSION FOR X NUMBER OF DAYS AND AFTER THAT I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU DO IF YOU JUST APPROVE IT OR NOT. I MEAN, I DO A LOT OF PROJECT PLANNING AND WORK IN PROJECT PLANNING.
AND OUR SYSTEM'S DEFINITELY GOT GREEN, YELLOW, AND RED IN THEM.
WHEN YOU CROSS A DATE AND IT'S NOT FINISHED, IT GOES YELLOW.
AND AFTER SO LONG THE PROJECT WILL GO RED.
THAT'S SUPPOSED TO LIGHT SOMEBODY UP TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT. SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
I'M JUST NOT SURE HOW TO, WHAT WORKS FOR BUILDERS AND DEVELOPERS AND THE COUNTY STAFF. WE DON'T WANT TO PUT THE STAFF, BECAUSE I WILL TELL YOU I'VE BEEN AROUND HERE DOING THIS LONG ENOUGH TO KNOW THAT THERE USED TO BE MORE STAFF.
AND IF IT LOOKS LIKE THE WORK IS GOING TO PICK UP, IF WE DON'T GET MORE HELP, THEY DON'T GET MORE HELP, IT'S GOING TO BE HARDER AND HARDER TO MEET THESE DEADLINES.
I MEAN IT'S A FACT. I CAN'T REMEMBER, IT USED TO BE AT LEAST THREE PLANNERS, FOUR PLANNERS.
I FORGET. >> I WOULD SAY FROM A PLANNING STANDPOINT IF I COULD, MR. CHAIR.
THE COUNTY AND THE STAFF HAVE DONE A GREAT JOB WITH IMPLEMENTING A PAPERLESS SYSTEM EVEN THOUGH KINKS ARE BEING WORKED OUT RIGHT NOW, BUT THAT WILL ALLEVIATE SOME OF THE STRESS YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT BECAUSE AS THE BUILDERS AND DEVELOPERS WHO DO THIS EVERY DAY BECOME MORE FAMILIAR WITH THIS SYSTEM, THINGS WILL BECOME VERY SEAMLESS.
SOME OF US ARE STILL GOING TO COME TO THE COUNTY BECAUSE WE LIKE TO INTERACT AND WE HAVE GREAT RELATIONSHIPS.
BUT A LOT WILL NOT. AND SO IT'S THOSE ONE OFFS, THE HOMEOWNER THAT WANTS TO BUILD THEIR OWN HOUSE, THAT'S MY CONCERN IS THAT THEY'LL STRUGGLE.
>> I'M WONDERING, DOES THIS TYLER SYSTEM HAVE THAT KIND OF TRACKING WHERE YOU GET EXCEPTION REPORTS OR SOMETHING THAT SAYS HEY YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO HAVE THIS ONE DONE TODAY OR DONE TOMORROW? DOES IT GENERATE THAT KIND OF STUFF?
>> SO ONCE YOU'RE IN THE PROGRAM, YOU CAN SEE THE WORKFLOW. YOU CAN SEE WHAT STAGE YOU'RE AT, YOU CAN SEE THE REVIEW FOR WORKING TOWARDS IT.
THERE'S STILL BUMPS, BUT I BELIEVE ST. JOHN'S COUNTY AND DUVAL, CITY OF JACKSONVILLE HAVE A SIMILAR PROGRAM WHERE YOU CAN SEE ONLINE, YOU CAN SEE THE COMMENTS COMING IN, SO YOU CAN START PREPARING, YOU KNOW YOU HAVE TO ADDRESS THIS.
AND IF YOU SEE THAT THE REVIEW IS NOT PROGRESSING, CERTAINLY YOU'RE GOING TO REACH OUT TO US AND SAY WHAT'S GOING ON, WHY HAVEN'T YOU GOTTEN MY PLAN REVIEWED.
>> YEAH, BUT THAT'S OUR CLIENTS, THAT'S THE CITIZENS OUT THERE HAVING TO SAY HEY WHAT'S HAPPENING.
MY QUESTION WAS MORE LIKE ANOTHER POSITION I HAD AT ONE TIME WE'D GET A REPORT EVERY MORNING THAT SAID HERE'S THE STUFF THAT'S DUE TODAY. NOT THE PROJECT, BUT HERE'S THE STEP THAT'S SUPPOSED TO BE COMPLETED TODAY.
AND HERE'S THE STEP THAT'S SUPPOSED TO BE COMPLETED TOMORROW. SO IS THERE ANYTHING IN THAT SYSTEM THAT CAN GENERATE THOSE TYPE OF REPORTS OR EXCEPTION REPORTS TO ALERT YOU AS THE STAFF THAT BECAUSE LIKE I SAY IF YOU'RE TRACKING IT AND SOMETHING COMES UP, YOU'RE PROBABLY LOOKING AT THAT ONE MAYBE. BUT WHAT ABOUT THE SIX THAT ARE KIND OF THE IN THE BACK OF YOUR MIND THAT POP UP ON THE SAME DAY. WITHOUT THAT KIND OF REPORTING, IT'S VERY HARD FOR AN INDIVIDUAL TO KEEP TRACK OF THAT.
>> WE AS STAFF WILL HAVE A FRONT SCREEN.
THE PEOPLE INVOLVED WITH REVIEW, THERE'S A DASHBOARD AND IT SHOWS US WHAT'S DUE, WHAT'S DUE IN THE NEXT FIVE DAYS, I THINK.
WHAT'S DUE UPCOMING. IF YOU HAVE A TEAM, YOU CAN SEE THE ENTIRE TEAM'S WORK, ALL OF THE PROJECTS.
SO I CAN'T LOG IN HERE, I DON'T RECALL THE PASSWORD AND ALL OF THAT TO LOG IN BECAUSE I'D LOVE TO SHOW YOU WHAT IT IS, BUT IT IS A VERY INFORMATIVE SCREEN AND YOU CAN SEE WHAT YOUR WORKLOAD SHOULD BE AND YOU CAN PLAN FOR IT.
>> OKAY. THAT KIND OF SATISFIES MY QUESTION. YES, JOE?
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>> THE REASON THAT THE AUTO IS GOING AWAY, IS IT BECAUSE THE COUNTY WANTS TO REVIEW EVERYTHING VERSUS IF IT GOES PAST THAT 15 DAY PERIOD IT AUTOMATICALLY IS APPROVED?
>> IT'S BECAUSE IT WOULD AUTOMATICALLY BE APPROVED.
AND SOME THINGS ARE NOT CONSISTENT WITH OUR CODE WHEN THEY COME IN OR CONSISTENT WITH LAW, THEY NEED TO BE CORRECT.
>> SO THE NEXT PART OF MY QUESTION THEN OR STATEMENT IS I KIND OF AGREE WITH THE BUILDERS THAT SOMETIMES THINGS DO GET ON A DESK AND GET OVERLOOKED FOR WHATEVER PERIOD OF TIME.
WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE MAYBE TO JUST EXTEND THAT 15 DAYS TO SAY 45 DAYS IN WHICH PARTICULAR CASE IT REALLY WOULD BE UP TO THE COUNTY TO KIND OF GET ON THAT OR KIND OF LOSE THAT WINDOW OF TIME. I WOULD THINK 45 DAYS, GIVING IT LIKE AN EXTRA MONTH OVER WHAT WE'RE LOOKING CURRENTLY AT WOULD HOPEFULLY MOVE THINGS IN A LITTLE QUICKER FASHION THAN JUST LEAVING IT OPEN ENDED. BECAUSE THESE GUYS COULD BE LOOKING NINE MONTHS DOWN THE ROAD THAT IT HASN'T BEEN TAKEN
CARE OF. >> SO ARE YOU ASKING THAT IT BE AUTOMATICALLY APPROVED AT 45 DAYS?
>> AT 45 DAYS, YEAH. THIS WAY IT GIVES THEM SORT OF AN END LINE TOO TO KNOW THAT IT'S GOING TO BE LOOKED AT OR --
>> OKAY. >> I LIKE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT I HAVE A CONCER WITH IT. AND THAT IS IF IT'S WITHIN 45 DAYS YOU GET FIRST ROUND OF COMMENTS, THAT COULD GET DRUG OUT. AND I'LL TELL YOU, AND I HAVE NO PROBLEM SAYING THIS ON THE RECORD.
JACKSONVILLE DOES THIS. THEY'RE VERY DIFFICULT TO DEAL WITH. I'LL LEAVE IT THERE.
SO I'M SPEAKING FROM EXPERIENCE TO KNOW, WE'RE NOT JACKSONVILLE, WE ARE CLAY COUNTY, I'M VERY PROUD OF THAT.
AS WE GROW, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT BECOMING THAT MONSTER BECAUSE IT IS VERY USER INFRIENDLY AND THINGS SIT ON DESK AND THEY PLAY THE I'LL MAKE A COMMENT AND THEN I GET ANOTHER 45 DAY EXTENSION. I'LL MAKE A COMMENT, I GET ANOTHER 45 DAY EXTENSION. AND THAT IS NOT SERVING TO CITIZENS, THAT'S AS NICE AS I CAN PROBABLY SAY IT.
AND THAT'S MY CONCERN WITH JUST COMPLETELY REMOVING THE AUTOMATIC APPROVAL, NOT THAT WE IN CLAY COUNTY WOULD EVER PLAY THAT GAME, BUT I'VE SEEN IT PLAYED ELSEWHERE AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE MOVING THINGS ALONG AT A HEALTHY AND REASONABLE RATE AND NOT ALLOWING SOMETHING TO SIT ON A DESK FOR MONTHS AND MONTHS AND MONTHS BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THAT'S SERVING THE CITIZENS.
>> IF I MAY? >> YEAH, MARY, GO AHEAD.
>> ANOTHER OPTION WOULD BE GENERATION OF A REPORT TO AN APPROPRIATE AUTHORITY AND MONITORING OF CASES THAT AREN'T MEETING THE GUIDELINES SET FORTH IN THE REGULATION.
SO IN OTHER WORDS SOMEONE WOULD BE MADE AWARE OF IT OR MAYBE EVEN THE BCC AND WHAT THE REASON IS OR WHETHER THE APPLICANT IS OKAY WITH THIS OR SOMETHING SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
IN OTHER WORDS AN EXCEPTION REPORT IS GENERATED AND PROVIDED TO SOME SORT OF OVERSIGHT BODY. AS IT'S DEEMED APPROPRIATE SO THAT THINGS DOOBODY REALLY KNOWS WHAT'S GOING IN OR
SOMETHING LIKE MICHAEL HAS GOT. >> I AGREE.
THERE HAS TO BE SOME KIND OF MECHANISM.
>> TO REPORT -- >> TO MAKE IT MOVE FORWARD.
>> TO REPORT THE OUTLIERS AND MAKE SURE THAT SOMEONE IS KEEPING AN EYE ON THAT. AND I'M SURE THAT'S THE INTENT OF OUR PLANNING & ZONING STAFF, AND THERE'S PROBABLY IN SITUATIONS LIKE THIS PLENTY OF GOOD REASONS, THE APPLICANT MAY BE OKAY WITH IT, AND IF THAT'S THE WAY IT IS, FINE.
NO ONE IS CONCERNED. WE JUST DON'T WANT ANYTHING FALLING THROUGH THE CRACKS OR BECOMING A GAME AS MICHAEL SUGGESTED AND I THINK EXCEPTION REPORTING AND ACCOUNTABILITY WOULD BE THE WAY TO GO AS OPPOSED TO AN AUTOMATIC APPROVAL. I DON'T THINK THAT SERVES
ANYBODY'S INTERESTS. >> I CONCUR.
>> I'M VERY COMFORTABLE WITH THE DASHBOARD AND ALL.
AND I'VE WORKED IN THESE KIND OF SYSTEMS. IT'S NOT JUST THE INDIVIDUAL PLANNER OR WHOEVER THAT'S LOOKING AT THAT, THEIR BOSS IS GETTING REPORTS AND ALL TOO.
SOMEBODY ELSE IS WATCHING THIS. SO MY ONLY QUESTION IS I'M COMFORTABLE THAT THE TRACKING IS THERE AND THAT WE CAN STAY WITH
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THIS. BUT WHAT HAPPENS IF WE DO MISS IT? WHAT WOULD YOUR SUGGESTION BE?>> MISS WHAT, MISS THE DEADLINE? >> YEAH.
>> I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN VERY OFTEN, BUT YOU'VE
GOT TO PREPARE FOR IT. >> WELL, I THINK ULTIMATELY YOU'RE GOING TO NEED GO/NO GO DECISION POINT, X NUMBER OF DAYS WHATEVER IT IS. THAT IS YOUR FAIL SAFE FOR THIS
I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT. INSTEAD OF IT GETTING DRUG AND DRUG, THERE NEEDS TO BE A LINE IN THE SAND THAT SAYS EITHER THE COUNTY HAS THEIR COMMENTS BACK AND THEY'VE MET AND THE RESUBMISSION HAS BEEN REPRESENTED AND APPROVED OR THE PROJECT DOESN'T MEET THE REQUIREMENTS.
I'M NOT SURE HOW TO ARTICULATE IT.
>> WE DO THAT GO NO GO ON PROJECTS, YOU HAVE A BIG MEETING AND EVERYBDY IT'S LIKE WATCHING MISSION CONTROL.
ARE YOU READY? ARE YOU READY? ARE YOU READY? AND IF SOMEONE SAYS NO, NO GO, WE'RE NOT MOVING FORWARD UNTIL THEY'RE READY.
>> THAT'S PRETTY SIMILAR TO THE DRC WHERE EVERY DEPARTMENT HEAD WITHIN THE STAFF HAS ALREADY REVIEWED THE PROJECT AND IN THIS CASE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DEVELOPMENT PROJECT AND THEN EITHER GIVEN FEEDBACK AND THEN IT GIVES THE APPLICANT TIME TO
ADJUST TO THAT FEEDBACK. >> SO BASED ON THAT DISCUSSION, BETH, DO WE HAVE SOMETHING BUILT IN THAT'S GOING TO DO THIS?
>> WE HAVE STAFF. WE HAVE A DEVELOPMENT COORDINATOR, KELLY HENRY. THAT IS HER ROLE IS TO ENSURE THAT, I MEAN SHE'S THE ONE THAT DONE.
BUT BEYOND THAT -- >> THAT OPENS UP A GREAT QUESTION. SO IF THE BUILDER OR AN ENGINEER THAT'S NOT RELATED TO IT, THIRD PARTY CERTIFIES, DOES THAT MEAN THERE'S A PERMIT? NO.
>> I LOVE THAT PHRASE, NOBODY IS SERVED BY SOME ARBITRARY DATE IN THE FUTURE. THEY'RE WORKING HARD BUT IT WAS A HOT MESS FOR A FEW WEEKS. YOU COULDN'T EVEN GET AN
INSPECTION. >> IT'S ALL THE SAME PROGRAM.
>> I KNOW IT'S ALL THE SAME, SO GOOD LUCK.
I'M ON THE SIDE OF AUTOMATIC JUST BECAUSE YOU HIT A CERTAIN BREAK, GIVE ME A BREAK. I'M IN THIS INDUSTRY, I DON'T WANT THAT. I WANT THERE TO BE STRONG REQUIREMENTS AND YES WE HAVE TO SUBMIT OUR APPLICATION.
IF THEY'RE INCOMPLETE, SOMEBODY IS GOING TO CATCH IT.
BUT THERE DOES NEED TO BE A GO NO GO POINT AND SOME ESCALATION OF WHAT IN THE HECK IS GOING ON IN HERE? Y'ALL HAVE HAD THIS THING FOR 45 DAYS, SOMEBODY NEEDS TO GET MY
PLANS TURNED AROUND. >> SO HERE'S WHAT I'M THINKING, I THINK WE MADE THE POINT THAT WE DON'T LIKE AUTOMATIC APPROVALS AND THAT MAYBE WE NEED TO HAVE SOMETHING A LITTLE MORE SPECIFIC THAN KELLY IS GOING TO CATCH IT IF WE MISS A DATE.
BUT I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYBODY REALLY DEFINE HOW THAT MIGHT BEST HAPPEN. I'M NOT SURE THAT WE KNOW HOW TO DEFINE THAT. OTHER THAN WE'RE TELLING OUR STAFF PEOPLE, WE NEED THAT, THE BUILDERS NEED THAT, THE DEVELOPERS NEED IT. THAT WE NEED SOMETHING.
I'M OKAY WITH APPROVING WHAT WE HAVE HERE.
BUT I THINK WE'D LIKE TO HEAR SOMETHING A LITTLE MORE FORMALIZED ABOUT HOW THAT'S GOING TO BE CAUGHT.
MAYBE IN THE FUTURE. WOULD YOU GUYS BE OKAY WITH
THAT? >> MIKE DOES DEVELOPMENT WAY
MORE, I'M A SINGLE FAMILY GUY. >> EXCUSE ME, MIKE.
I JUST DON'T LIKE THE WHOLE IDEA OF AN AUTOMATIC APPROVAL JUST SOUNDS IRRESPONSIBLE. SO BEYOND THAT, I'LL DEFER TO
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MIKE. >> YOU'VE GOT THE AUTOMATIC APPROVAL, I THINK EVERYBODY AGREES THAT'S NOT A GOOD IDEA.
BUT AT THE SAME TIME, I THINK WE ALL HAVE A BIT OF CONCERN THAT IT IS POSSIBLE, THESE ARE JUST WORDS, BUT YOU CAN GAIN THE SYSTEM, RIGHT. AND ALL WE WANT TO DO IS MAKE SURE THAT THERE ARE STOPGAPS IN PLACE THAT JUST LIKE ANYTHING ELSE THAT SOMEBODY IS KIND OF, THE IDEAL SITUATION IS THAT A DEVELOPER, A BUILDER NEVER HAS TO CALL AND SAY WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH MY STUFF, RIGHT. BUT BECAUSE SOMEBODY HAS CAUGHT IT BEFORE THAT HAPPENS. WHAT I WAS TRYING TO GET TO IS MAYBE WE CAN APPROVE THIS. BECAUSE I DON'T THINK ANY OF US HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH THIS. WE JUST DON'T THINK IT GOES FAR
ENOUGH. >> MR. CHAIRMAN, COULD WE APPROVE IT AT THE REQUEST THAT STAFF COME BACK TO US WITH AN INTERNAL SOP OF HOW THEY'RE GOING TO HANDLE THAT WHEN AND IF
IT OCCURS? >> I THINK THAT'S WHAT I'M
ASKING. >> I THINK THAT WOULD SATISFY ME
FOR SURE. >> SO WE CAN FEEL COMFORTABLE THAT WE'RE NOT HANGING ANYBODY OUT THAT'S GOING TO, WE DON'T
WANT TO BECOME JACKSONVILLE. >> WHAT ARE WE APPROVING, IS IT
A 20 DAY TIMELINE? >> 20 WORKING DAYS AND THEN TEN WORKING DAYS ON ANY RETURN SUBMITTAL.
>> MICHAEL KNOWS BETTER THAN I DO, IT SOUNDS REASONABLE TO ME.
BUT I DON'T KNOW. >> THAT IS REASONABLE.
YEAH. >> I NEED TO OPEN A PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS. DOES ANYBODY WANT TO SPEAK ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR ITEM? SEEING NONE, I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND BRING IT BACK.
PERHAPS WE CAN GET A MOTION TO MS. BRIDGMAN TO APPROVE THE STAFF REPORT AND ASK THAT, RECOMMEND OR ASK THAT IF SOMEBODY HAS WORDING ON THAT THAT WORKS FOR YOU THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME KIND OF PROCESS FOR HOW THAT'S GOING TO BE
HANDLED. >> WHAT IS IT THAT YOU WANT?
>> I CHARACTERIZED IT AS AN INTERNAL SOP FOR WHEN THE TIMELINES ARE NOT MET. AND I THINK STAFF IS IN THE BEST
POSITION TO DO THAT. >> I DON'T KNOW AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S APPROPRIATE FOR US TO ASK
STAFF FOR THEIR INTERNAL SOP. >> YES, IT IS.
>> IS IT? BECAUSE I THOUGHT WE WERE JUST LOOKING AT WHAT'S PRESENTED HERE AND THEN STAFF OPERATES WITHIN
THAT PURVIEW. >> IF YOU LOOK AT THE ADMIN CODE, WE CAN ACTUALLY DIRECT STAFF TO DO STUFF.
>> OKAY. >> AND I EXPECT THAT THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE ONE ANYWAY. THEY'LL HAVE TO HAVE IT TO
OPERATE. >> IT'S GOT TO BE PUBLIC BECAUSE OTHERWISE WHAT GOOD IS IT. EVERYBODY HAS GOT TO KNOW WHO'S
RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT AND WHEN. >> I WOULD ALSO LIKE WITH THAT SOP THAT GO NO GO DECISION POINT IS ARTICULATED.
WHAT YOU'RE REALLY DOING IN ALL STAFFS, BELIEVE ME I'VE SEEN MY SHARE OF THEM, PEOPLE COME AND GO, THINGS CHANGE, WHAT YOU WANT TO DO IS MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE IS PROTECTED.
AND THAT YOU CAN'T SLOW ROLL SOMETHING.
>> I THINK AS LONG AS THERE'S A TIMELINE.
>> WE'VE GOT TO KEEP IN MIND WE'RE NOT ONLY FOCUSED ON OUR CUSTOMER TRYING TO GET USE D TO THIS NEW SYSTEM BUT OUR STAFF ALSO. SO I WOULD NOT EXPECT AN SOP LIKE NEXT WEEK BECAUSE AS SOON AS THIS THING TURNS ON, THEY HAVE TO WORK WITH THIS. I THINK THE WORST WOULD BE THERE'S A LOG JAM AND SOMEBODY SAYS WHAT HAPPENED TO IT, I DON'T KNOW IT WENT IN THAT HOLE. I THINK AN SOP IS APPROPRIATE, BUT WE NEED TO GIVE STAFF TIME TO WORK IT AND FIGURE OUT WHAT THE HOLES ARE AND HOW TO PATCH THEM.
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>> YOU WANT TWO MONTHS? >> TWO MONTHS WOULD HELP.
WE'RE STILL TRYING TO LEARN. >> YOU CAN LEARN THE SYSTEM.
BECAUSE WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS MORE LONG TERM.
WE'RE NOT TOO WORRIED ABOUT WHAT'S HAPPENING NEXT WEEK.
WE'VE ALREADY BEEN TOLD THERE'S GROWING PAINS WITH THE SYSTEM.
SO YOU WANT TO DO THAT, MARY? APPROVE THE STAFF REPORT --
>> I MOVE APPROVAL. >> LIKE AN SOP IN ABOUT THREE
MONTHS. >> I MOVE APPROVAL OF THE STAFF REPORT AS SUBMITTED WITH DEVELOPMENT OF A STANDARD OPERATING PROCEDURE BY STAFF WITHIN TWO MONTHS SPECIFYING WHAT WILL HAPPEN WHEN THE TIMEFRAMES FOR APPROVAL SPECIFIED IN THE REPORT, THE PROPOSAL, ARE NOT MET.
>> YOU NEED A SECOND BEFORE FRIENDLY AMENDMENTS?
>> I'LL SECOND. >> MAY I MAKE A FRIENDLY
>> THAT STAFF COORDINATE WITH THE BUILDER AND DEVELOPER COMMUNITY IN ORDER TO TALK ABOUT TIMEFRAMES.
BECAUSE I WOULD SAY THAT NEEDS TO BE PART OF THE SOP.
>> ARE YOU OKAY WITH THAT, MARY? >> I ACCEPT.
>> GET SOME INPUT FROM THE BUILDERS ON IT.
>> JOE, HE'S OKAY WITH THAT. ANYTHING ELSE? SEEING NONE, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR STATE AYE.
[1. Chairman Discussion and Vote]
OKAY. I THINK, ALL RIGHT OUR NEXT ITEM IS TO SELECT A CHAIRMAN FOR THE NEXT UPCOMING YEAR.AND WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT THIS IN THE PAST, IF YOU'LL RECALL WE PRETTY MUCH WANTED TO LIMIT PEOPLE TO A TWO YEAR CONSECUTIVE TERM. MARY HAS SERVED AS VICE CHAIR FOR TWO YEARS, IF SHE HAS NO OBJECTIONS, I'D LIKE TO HAVE MARY MOVE TO BE THE CHAIR WHICH REALLY PUTS US IN THE POSITION OF WHO WANTS TO BE VICE CHAIR. ANYBODY?
>> I SECOND THE NOMINATION. >> I DON'T WANT TO FORCE ANYONE
TO DO THIS. >> WITH ONE UNDERSTANDING THAT THE CHAIRMAN, CHAIRWOMAN, WILL NEVER BE ABSENT.
>> IF I MAY. >> YEAH, GO AHEAD.
>> I WOULD LIKE TO SAY, I REALLY ADMIRE THE WORK THAT PETE HAS DONE WITH HIS CITIZENS ADVISORY COUNCIL IN FLEMING.
AND I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT AND I THINK THE CONTINUED DEVELOPMENT OF THAT IS IMPORTANT FOR THE EFFECTIVENESS OF THIS BODY AND SO I STRONGLY CONCUR WITH THAT RECOMMENDATION AND
HOPE THAT HE WILL SERVE. >> ARE YOU OKAY WITH THAT? WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS HOPEFULLY BY AGREEMENT HERE, CONSENSUS, MARY WILL TAKE OVER NEXT MONTH AS CHAIR AND PETE WILL BE THE VICE CHAIR. ANYBODY OBJECT TO THAT?
ALL RIGHT. >> I THINK IT'S GOOD.
RALPH HAS CHAIRED THIS MULTIPLE TIMES.
I'VE BEEN CHAIR. MICHAEL HAS BEEN CHAIR.
I THINK THAT YOU GUYS SHOULD ALL HAVE A SEAT AT LEAST EVEN IF IT'S ONLY FOR ONE TERM, ONE YEAR.
BUT IT'S GOOD THAT WE ALL ROTATED AROUND AND YOU'LL HAVE
THE EXPERIENCE. >> I THINK THAT'S AN IMPORTANT POINT. IT IS A ONE YEAR TERM ALTHOUGH WE KIND OF JUST THROUGH OUR ACTIONS AND TRADITION HAVE TURNED IT INTO A TWO YEAR TERM. IF YOU'RE NOT HAPPY, YOU HAVE TO SAY SO AND WE'LL TAKE CARE OF IT.
AT LEAST IT WILL BE THIS GROUP FOR ANOTHER YEAR KNOWING WHAT
HAPPENS NEXT TIME. >> DO WE NEED A SECOND ON THOSE
NOMINATIONS? >> I DON'T EVEN KNOW THAT WE
NEED A MOTION, DO WE? >> YOU ACTUALLY HAVE A SECOND.
>> OH I DO? >> THE MOTION ON THE FLOOR IS FOR MARY TO TAKE OVER AS CHAIRMAN THE NEXT MEETING AND FOR PETE TO BE THE VICE CHAIR. ALL IN FAVOR STATE AYE.
>> AYE. >> ANY OPPOSED? OKAY, YOU WANT TO TAKE THAT VOTE AGAIN?
>> 6-1. >> ALL RIGHT, LAST THING IS THE LAST PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD, AGAIN THIS IS JUST A GENERAL COMMENT PERIOD. DOES ANYBODY WANT TO ADDRESS THIS BOARD BEFORE WE ADJOURN? NO? SEEING NONE, I'M GOING TO CLOSE THAT.
LET ME JUST CHECK OVER HERE WITH STAFF, DID ANYBODY WANT ANYTHING THEY WANTED TO SAY BEFORE WE GOT OUT OF HERE? USUALLY CHARESE IS HERE. SHE'S GOT SOMETHING SHE WANTED
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TO MENTION, BUT SHE WASN'T HERE TONIGHT.NO? ALL RIGHT, THE NEXT MEETING IS EXACTLY FOUR WEEKS FROM TODAY,
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.