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ON WHICH ARTICLE? ARTICLE 3 WHICH IS THE LAND DEVELOPMENT
[1. Project Update Presentation by WGI]
REGULATIONS I AM GOING TO INTRODUCE OUR CONSULTANT FROM TRAINING ANGELA. SHE IS BASICALLY GOING TO RUN THIS AND AT THE END OF THEIR QUESTIONS IF ANYBODY WANTS TO JUMP IN WE ARE MISSING MY THINK EVERYBODY ELSE IS HERE.THANK YOU, ANGELA BIAGGI WITH WGI, I HAVE ERICA HERE AS WELL. WE ARE HERE TO GIVE YOU ANOTHER DATE ON OUR WORK ON ARTICLE THREE, WHICH IS ZONING CODE. AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THIS TIMELINE, WE ARE WELL ALONG OUR WAY OF WORKING ON THE DOCUMENT, YOU ARE THE LAST OF THE FOUR WORKSHOPS WE HAD HERE OVER THE LAST TWO DAYS WE HAD TWO YESTERDAY WITH THE DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE , AND WITH THE RESIDENT AND WE WERE WITH THE BCC THIS MORNING. SO, WE ARE HERE TODAY TO GIVE AN UPDATE ON THE OUTREACH AND ENGAGEMENT ACT DUTIES THAT HAPPENED IN OCTOBER, AND ALSO ERICA WILL RUN THROUGH AN OUTLINE OF THE DOCUMENT AND THE WORK THAT HAS BEEN DONE TO DATE. SO, AS I MENTIONED, WE HAD TWO WORKSHOPS, AGAIN WITH THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY AND THE CITIZENS BACK IN ON TOBER.
SO, WE ARE HERE TODAY TO DISCUSS THE RESULTS OF THOSE SHOTS THEY HAD IN THOSE AREAS, ALL THE WAY FROM RESIDENTIAL TO AGRICULTURAL TO COMMERCIAL TO OFFICE. SO, THESE WERE THE RESULTS OF THE TEST AND PULL. ERIKA WILL GET INTO THE DETAIL A LITTLE BIT LATER ON, WE WILL ULTIMATELY BE DEVELOPING A MATRIX WITHIN ARTICLE THREE THAT IS GOING TO LIST ALL OF THE ZONING IS STRICT, IT IS GOING TO LIST THE USES AND IDENTIFY WHAT TYPE OF APPLICATION PROCESS, OR IF IT IS PERMITTED USE OR NON-PERMITTED USE WITH CONDITIONAL USE OR NOT PERMITTED, THAT WILL BE IDENTIFIED IN THE MATRIX PIXEL, THIS IS JUST INFORMATION TO KIND OF GIVE US AN IDEA A LITTLE BIT OF WHAT DIRECTION WE NEEDED TO GO WITH SOME OF THE MODIFICATION WE WERE MAKING, AND GET THE PUBLIC SENTIMENT ON THESE USES. SO, FOR EACH OF THE AREAS, WE HAD A BOARD, WE HIGHLIGHTED THIS ONE, FOR EXAMPLE A RURAL AREA HIGHLIGHTED IN GREEN. HAD .VOTING SOLICIT THE FEEDBACK OF GREENING 60% MORE OF THE PEOPLE WHO PARTICIPATED FELT LIKE IT WAS AN APPROPRIATE USE IN THAT AREA, YOU LAMENT THE TO 59 , MAYBE THEY WERE KIND OF NEUTRAL ON WHETHER OR NOT OR UNCERTAIN IF IT WAS SUITABLE IN THAT AREA. AND REDMOND 39% OR BELOW , THIS IS SOMETHING THAT SHOULD NOT BE PERMITTED. AS I GO THROUGH THIS, WE CAN KIND OF HIGHLIGHT, THIS SHOWS YOU SOME OF THE DIFFERENCES OR DIFFERENCE IN OPINION BETWEEN THE TWO GROUPS , AND AT ANY POINT IF WE WANT TO DISCUSS , WE CERTAINLY CAN DO SO. AND WE DID IN OUR MEETING YESTERDAY, GET A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION FROM PARTICIPANTS OF MAYBE WHITE THESE DISCREPANCIES, OR WHAT THE PROCESS WAS BEHIND THE RESULTS OF THIS. SO, AGAIN, IF IT IS GREEN OR EVEN IF IT IS RED ON RED, THERE WAS NOT TOO MUCH TO DISCUSS, EVEN THE RED TO YELLOW OR GREEN TO YELLOW WERE PRETTY CLOSE IN THE OPINION OF WHAT SHOULD BE ALLOWED. THE ONES LIKE IF YOU LOOK AT THE DUPLEXES OR IF YOU LOOK AT THE OUTDOOR STORAGE WHERE WE HAVE RED TO GREEN, MAYBE THERE IS SOME OPPORTUNITY FOR DISCUSSION THERE , OR IF YOU HAVE ANY FEEDBACK THAT YOU WANTED US TO TAKE BACK FOR GUIDANCE ON ANY OF THOSE USES, JUST INTERRUPT ME AND LET ME KNOW. SO, THIS, AGAIN, IS THE RESULTS FOR THE
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RURAL AREA, THIS IS WHERE THE COMMERCIAL-FOCUSED USES. ONE OF THE COMMENTS THAT WE RECEIVED BACK ON THIS ONE IN PARTICULAR WAS THAT WHILE MAYBE THE MAJORITY OF THESE USES IN THE REACHES OF A RURAL AREA WERE NOT APPROPRIATE IF WE LOOK AT THE INTERCHANGES AND INTERSECTIONS OF MAJOR ROADS, THOSE MIGHT BE GOOD OPPORTUNITIES FOR COMMERCIAL NOTES OR VILLAGE CENTER-TYPE PIECES. SO, WE GOT SOME FEEDBACK THAT THAT WAS MAYBE WHY WE HAVE SOME OF THE DISCREPANCIES FOR SO MANY RED ON THE CITIZENS SIDE THAT THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY WAS REALLY MORE IN LIGHT OF WILL, THEY COULD STILL BE APPROPRIATE USES, BUT ONLY IN CERTAIN AREAS IN THE RURAL AREA OKAY, THESE WERE THE RESULTS OF THE LOW-DENSITY WORKSHOP , LOW-DENSITY BOARD . SO, HERE WE HAD TOWNHOUSES, SMALL APARTMENTS, AND THE OUTDOOR STORAGE YARD WHERE WE HAD DIFFERENCES OF OPINION BETWEEN THE TWO GROUPS , THE REST OF THE USES WERE HIM ALERT IN RESULTS. DID ANYBODY HAVE ANY COMMENTS ON THESE? OR I WILL JUST KEEP GOING, UNLESS YOU WANT TO HAVE A DISCUSSION. AND THIS IS THE MORE COMMERCIAL-TYPE USES, WHICH THE ONLY ONE THAT WAS KIND OF FAR APART ON THE VOTING WAS THE FARMS AND RANCHES. MEDIUM DENSITY. THIS IS THE ONLY ONE WHERE WE HAD PRETTY MUCH ALL IN AGREEMENTS ON THE USES IN THIS AREA ON THE MAP . AND, THE HIGH-TO BECOME AS WE GET INTO THIS ONE, YOU WILL SEE THIS IS THE ONE THAT WE HAVE THE MOST DISCREPANCIES ON PIXEL, SOME OF THE FEEDBACK WE RECEIVED ON THIS WAS THAT MAYBE NOT THE USE, PER SE, BUT MORE OF A PERCEPTION OF THIS AREA IN PARTICULAR, IS ALMOST REBUILT OUT. THESE ARE THESE TYPE OF REDEVELPMENT TYPE OF SITUATIONS. THERE WAS MORE OF A CONCERN AFTER THE USES THE CELLS , BUT THE CARRYING CAPACITY AROUND THE SURROUNDING INFRASTRUCTURE AND SCHOOLS AND HIGHER AND TRAFFIC , THAT IT WAS, AGAIN, NOT THE USE, PER SE, BUT THAT ADDING THESE USES FATHER WAS NOT THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THAT IN THESE AREAS. AND THIS IS THE COMMERCIAL-TYPE SO, WE ALSO HAD A QUESTION POSED BOTH WORKSHOP GROUPS, WHAT DO THEY WANT TO SEE AND WHAT ARE THE OVERARCHING ULTIMATE GOALS OF THIS REVISION AND WHAT DO WE WANT TO SEE ENCOURAGED? WE HAVE PRESERVATION OF RURAL CHARACTER RANKED REALLY HIGH WITH BOTH OF THE GROUPS . YOU LOOK A VARIETY OF HOUSING TYPES AND HOUSING DEVELOPMENTS, THAT WAS VERY HIGH WITH THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY , WHERE AS FOCUSING AND GROWTH IN SPECIFIC AREAS WAS A LITTLE BIT HIGHER WITH THE RESIDENTS .WE THINK THAT WAS A LITTLE BIT MORE ALONG THE LINES OF THE APPS AND THE LOCATION OF THOSE THINGS THAT WE WANT TO SEE THAT IT IS CONTROLLED IN CERTAIN AREAS. ANGELA, ON THAT ONE, CAN YOU GO BACK? DID YOU HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENTS ? HIS WORD TALLIES , WE DID HAVE SOME DISCUSSION EARLIER TODAY WITH COUNTY COMMISSION COHOUSING .
>> THAT'S THE ONE I'M LOOKING AT .
>> THAT WAS RANKED SO HIGHLY WITH THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY, AND VERY LOW WITH THE RESIDENTS. THE DISCUSSION IS THAT WE HEARD A LOT OF FEEDBACK EVEN AFTER THE WORKSHOPS ABOUT THE DEFINITION OF AFFORDABLE CRICKET WAS MORE THAT PEOPLE DO NOT BELIEVE THAT YOU KNOW, WHAT DOES AFFORDABLE MEAN? WE SAY OF AUDIBLE AND IT IS NOT REALLY AFFORDABLE. MORE SO THAT THEN MAYBE THE PROVISION OF THAT TYPE OF HOUSING , OR AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROGRAM. SO, WHAT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT THIS MORNING WAS LOOKING AT MAYBE BETTER DEFINING THAT, OR IDENTITY PAYING THAT IN A DIFFERENT WAY TO EDUCATE EVERYONE ON WHAT THAT EVERYBODY HAD KIND OF A DIFFERENT OPINION IF IT IS LOW INCOME OR SUBSIDIZE OR WORKFORCE? AGAIN, I FIND IT A LITTLE BIT INTERESTING. I KNOW
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WE HAVE PEOPLE ON THIS GROUP , THAT THE DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE WANTS TO DO AFFORDABLE HOUSING . AND, YOU KNOW, IT DOES NOT SEEM LIKE THEY ARE EVEN TRYING. THE LAST FEW YEARS I HAVE SEEN ONE PROJECT COME IN HERE THAT LIKE THERE WAS AN EFFORT AND IT DID NOT GO THROUGH BECAUSE OF A LOT OF CITIZEN OPPOSITION. >> IF I MAY , I SPENT NINE YEARS ON THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS OF THE HOUSING FINANCIAL AUTHORITY WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT ISSUES THAT EVERYBODY KNOWS MAYBE IT IS NOT A LACK OF DESIRE FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING, IT IS JUST ABOUT IMPOSSIBLE TO MAKE IT WORTH IT, FROM A MATH PERSPECTIVE, WHICH IS WHY YOU HAVE THE HOUSING FINANCE AUTHORITY WITH THE FIRST TIME BUYER PROGRAMS BRINGING GOVERNMENT MONEY INTO IT TO MAKE IT AFFORDABLE. IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR , WITH THE COST OF LAND AND MATERIALS , THE PRIVATE DEVELOPERS BRING TO THE MARKET WHAT THEY CAN BRING TO THE MARKET. I DO THINK THAT I FOUND IT IRONIC AND INTERESTING THAT THERE IS SUCH A LACK OF SUPPORT, SOMETIMES OPPOSITION TO THE CONCEPT OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING THE LIST GOES BACK A FEW YEARS AGO WHERE THERE WAS AN APARTMENT COMPLEX THAT I THINK WAS GOING TO BE PLACED IN A PART OF THE COUNTY. AND THE ROOM FILLED UP WITH PEOPLE OPPOSED TO IT. YOU HEARD THE CLASSIC THOSE PEOPLE. YOU KNOW, IT IS UNFORTUNATE THAT THAT PERCEPTION OF PEOPLE WHO NEED A HOME, LIKE FIREFIGHTERS, TEACHERS, OTHER PEOPLE ON MODEST INCOME TRULY AFFORDABLE HOUSING. SO, I'M SURE YOU HAVE THAT SORT OF COMMENTS WITH THE BOARD OF THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS. THE TERM THAT THEY USE WITH HOUSING FINANCE AUTHORITY WAS WORKFORCE HOUSING, TRYING TO GET AWAY FROM THE CONCEPT OF LOW INCOME AND THAT SORT OF STUFF AS IF PEOPLE DON'T NEED A HOUSE. I GUESS WE CAN STICK THEM ALL IN TRAILER PARKS AND COMPLAIN ABOUT THAT TOO .
>> THEN WE COMPLAIN ABOUT TAXES. YEAH, I THINK YOU ARE RIGHT, BILL. I THINK WE NEED A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT IS MEANT BY THAT. I HAVE SEEN BEFORE, I THINK THE FINANCE AUTHORITY, DON'T THEY USE THE 150% OF THE PROPERTY LEVEL? RIGHT . WELL, RANGES, IT'S BEEN A FEW YEARS SINCE I AN ACT. BUT IT IS A MULTIPLIER OF THE MEDIAN INCOME , AND ANYWAY.
YOU KNOW, THE ONLY WAY TO GET THERE IS TO PROVIDE SOME SORT OF GOVERNMENT FOR WITHIN PROGRESSIVE USE ATTACH A GOVERNMENT PROGRAM TO FIT , ALL OF A SUDDEN PEOPLE SEE IT AS THAT SECTION 8 CONCEPT AND WE ARE BRINGING IN THOSE POOR PEOPLE. AND I JUST , ANYWAY, YOU CAN TELL IT IS FRUSTRATING
>> THE OTHER ONE THAT KIND OF CAME UP AS RANKING RELATIVELY HIGH FROM THE CITIZENS WAS PARKING, ACCEPTABLE LOCATIONS FOR PARKING, THOSE CONVERSATIONS WERE GEARED TOWARD RESIDENTIAL PARKING, AND DRIVEWAY PARKING .
>> MEANING THAT WE ARE NOT REQUIRING ADEQUATE PARKING IN THESE DEVELOPMENTS , ALONG THAT LINE?
>> YEAH, THAT THERE WAS NOT ADEQUATE PARKING FOR GUEST PARKING OR FOR THE NUMBER OF VEHICLES THE TYPES OF PEAK VEHICLES PEOPLE HAVE. OKAY. MAC THEN , LASTLY, WE HAD JUST SORT OF AN OPEN COMMENT SESSION , AND RECORDED ALL OF THE FEEDBACK THAT WE GOT, WE GOT THE A LOT OF ADDITIONAL FEEDBACK AS WELL YESTERDAY. A LOT OF THESE, I WOULD SAY MOST OF THE COMMENTS THAT ARE LISTED HERE, WHEN WE ARE LOOKING AT TREES AND BUFFERS AND REQUIREMENTS, TREE MITIGATION, THOSE ARE IN OTHER ARTICLES, THOSE ARE IN ARTICLE TWO OR ARTICLE SIX. NOT THINGS WE WOULD BE ABLE TO NECESSARILY ADDRESS WITH THE EXCEPTION THAT , THAT
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POTENTIALLY THERE WAS NOT ENOUGH RESPECT TO BACK END UP WITH WRITING NEXT TO EACH OTHER. THAT IS SOMETHING THAT COULD BE ADDRESSED IN THE LANDSCAPE CODE. THE OTHER ONE ON THAT LIST , THE INTEREST IN THE DEVELOPMENT THE WORKSHOP, NO TREE MITIGATION FOR UNCLEARED LANE. CAN YOU EXPANDON THAT JUST A LITTLE BIT >> AS I RECALL, THAT HAD TO DO WITH TREE MITIGATION FOR NATIVE, UNDEVELOPED LAND THAT , ARE WE CURRENTLY CURRENTLY MEDICATING FOR THAT? THAT'S ARTICLE SIX . YEAH, SO SOMETHING WITH THE MITIGATION REQIREMENTS FOR UNDEVELOPED PROPERTY VERSUS I HAVE A PIECE OF LAND THAT HAS BEEN DEVELOPED AND I IMAGINE THAT WHEN YOU'RE DEALING WITH A LARGE PERSONAL OF EXISTING FORESTED PROPERTY IF WE WERE MITIGATING FOR THAT, IT WOULD BE QUITE EXTENSIVE BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO REVIEWING THE OUTLINE AND THE CHANGES THAT WERE PROPOSING KIND OF THE STRUCTURE OF ARTICLE THREE, DID ANYONE HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON THE PUBLIC OUTREACH THAT WE RECEIVED FROM THAT LAST SESSION? OR ANY QUESTIONS ON WHAT WE MET ON OVER THE LAST TWO DAYS? IT'S BEEN A YOU PUT THE BAR CHARTS FROM THE VERY BEGINNING? THESE? OR THE
TIMELINE? >> RIGHT AFTER THE TIMELINE.
YOU HAVE KIND OF THE SUMMARY OF THE DIFFERENT ONES. A COUPLE OF THEM TO JUMP THROUGH REALLY QUICK. THESE?
>> YES . >> OKAY. NOT HIGH DENSITY YEAH, THAT IS MEDIUM DENSITY. I THINK IT WAS A NORMAL RURAL
>> IT WAS INTERESTING THAT HOTEL AND MOTEL CAME IN RED FOR EVERYBODY IS LOW DENSITY AREAS. THE LITTLE BIT ODD TO ME. ESPECIALLY WHEN WE LOOK AT , OUT BY THE FAIRGROUNDS, WHICH I THINK IS OUTSIDE OF WHAT IS BEING CALLED LOW-DENSITY THERE , MORE IN THE RURAL , THAT THERE IS AN EFFORT TO BUILD UP TOURISM, BASED AROUND SOME OF STUFF. AND IF YOU TRY TO HAVE TOURISM HAVE SOMEWHERE FOR THEM TO STAY. YOU CANNOT ASK THEM TO GO TO ORANGE PARK TO STAY. JUST A COMMENT ON .
>> OKAY. WE WILL MAKE NOTE OF THAT. LET'S GO BACK THROUGH THE REST OF THEM HE REALLY QUICK FOR YOU GUYS. I THINK THAT IS THE ONE THAT I KIND OF SAW BY AND I WANTED TO ASK
>> IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE ANYBODY WANTED ME TO GO BACK THROUGH? ANY OTHER COMMENTS? NO? OKAY. ALL RIGHT. I WILL LET ERICA GIVE YOU THE UPDATE ON PROGRESS FOR ARTICLE THREE.
HELLO. SO, CURRENTLY , THIS IS WHAT WE KIND OF HAVE LAID OUT AS FAR AS THE COMPONENTS THAT ARE GOING INTO ARTICLE THREE.
WE ARE WORKING WITH STAFF RIGHT NOW TO PROVIDE A FULLY CONSOLIDATED COPY OF EACH PART TO BE REVIEWED BY THE END OF THIS MONTH. SO, MOVING RIGHT INTO PART A, THIS IS THE GENERAL PROVISIONS . THE LAST TIME WE WERE HERE TO DISCUSS THE UPDATES , A LOT OF WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO SEE IS SIMILAR IN NATURE, WE HAVE JUST KIND OF ADDED A LITTLE BIT MORE CLARIFICATION AS FAR AS WHAT WE ARE PROVIDING. SO, FIRST AND FOREMOST WE HAVE CONSOLIDATED AND SIMPLE BUT A LOT OF THE WHICH , WHICH THIS IS JUST CARRIED OUT THROUGHOUT ALL OF ARTICLE THREE IN GENERAL. WE ARE NOW PROVIDING SOME GRAPHICS TO HELP ILLUSTRATE HOW TO MEASURE THINGS SUCH AS DISTRICT BOUNDARIES AND SEPARATION BETWEEN USES SETBACKS, AND WE
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ALSO ADDED IN SOME WHICH TO ADDRESS ANY DISTRICT BOUNDARY MAPPING ERRORS WHICH IS WHEN YOU HAVE A PARCEL WITH TWO DIFFERENT ZONES , THEN HYPERLINKED THE COUNTY ZONING MAP WHEREVER IT IS REFERENCED IN THE CODE. WE'VE ALSO CHARACTERIZED ALL OF THE ZONING DISTRICTS , AS WELL AS THE MASTER-PLANNED COMMUNITY AND ADDED LITTLE REFERENCES SO PEOPLE CAN CLICK ON THAT AND GO DIRECTLY TO THAT AREA IN THE CODE. WE WENT AHEAD AND CLARIFIED IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE INTERPRETATION OF THE CODE, WHICH WOULD FALL BACK THE DRC .SO, GOING INTO PART B, THIS IS THE NONCONFORMITY SECTION, WE HAVE NOT CHANGED TOO MUCH IN THIS SECTION, WE WANTED TO CLEAR UP BY YOUR FOUR TYPES OF NONCONFORMITY PIXEL, THOUGHTS, OUTINGS OR STRUCTURES AND SITE IMPROVEMENTS. WHEN WE HAVE CLARIFIED SOME OF THE BEST LANGUAGE AS WELL AS ADDED A METHODOLOGY FOR DETERMINING THE REPLACEMENT VALUE. GOING INTO PART C, THIS IS THE FUTURE LAND USE AND INTENSITY BONUS PROGRAMS PART. SO, THIS IS QUITE THE HEFTY PARTS, AND WHAT WE HAVE DONE HERE IS DECIDED TO ESTABLISH AN ORGANIZATION OF TEARS THE FUTURE LAND USE, FROM LOW TO HIGH INTENSITY. AND THEN CONSOLIDATED THE DENSITY AND UNDER DENSITY, CONSIDERING THAT MUCH OF YOUR RESIDENTIAL ENTITY ALLOWED IN THE COUNTY IS ALSO PERMITTED IN NONRESIDENTIAL RESTRICTS. WE HAVE ADDED THAT CLARIFICATION UNDER SECTION 115, WHICH IS UNDER YOUR ARTICLE ONE, THAT IS WHERE ALL OF YOUR DESTINATIONS ARE HOUSED IN THE CODE. AND THEN WE ADDED SOME CLARIFICATION TO DIFFERENTIATE A STANDARD DISTRICT FROM A PLANNED COMMUNITY DISTRICT , AS WELL AS ADDED SOME ACRONYMS THAT WERE MORE CONSISTENT WITH THE PLAN.
JUST SIMPLE LETTERS HERE AND THERE THAT WERE NOT CROSS CHECKED THE EXACT SAME. ANY REFERENCES TO CHAPTER D INSTEAD OF REPEATING LANGUAGE FOR REQUIREMENTS THAT FALL UNDER ZONING DISTRICTS , WE NOW JUST REFER TO THAT APPROPRIATE SECTION , THEN WE HAVE LOOKED INTO THE MASTER-PLANNED COMMUNITIES, AND CONSOLIDATED THEIR BONUS THE DENSITY BONUS PROGRAMS. AND A LARGE PORTION OF THIS CHAPTER IS THAT WE HAVE CREATED A CONSISTENCY MATRIX BETWEEN YOUR FUTURE LAND USE CATEGORIES AND ZONING DISTRICTS SO YOU CAN SEE HOW THEY CORRELATE AS COMPARED TO EACH OTHER SO THAT THE ZONING DISTRICT RELOCATED THE FUTURE OF LAND USE AND ZONING ENTERED HER TENANT TO THE MASTER-PLANNED COMMUNITIES IN A SEPARATE DIVISION PIXEL, EVERYTHING IS ORGANIZED. AND THEN, WE ALSO HAVE CONSOLIDATED, WE WENT THROUGH YOUR MASTER PLANS BRANDON FIELD AND LAKE ASBURY, WITHOUT A LOT OF REDUNDANT LANGUAGE, AND SIMILAR IN BOTH , SO WE HAVE CONSOLIDATED THAT INTO A GENERAL STANDARDS DIVISION OF MASTER PLANS, AND KEPT AND THAT WAS SPECIFICTO EACH. AND THEN, OVERALL, JUST REORGANIZED, CONSOLIDATED, AND TABULATED THE LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS. SO, THIS IS PART
D >> I AM GOING TO ASK YOU A QUESTION. CAN YOU GO BACK ONCE LIKE? I GUESS. WERE YOU HAVE THE MASTER-PLANNED COMMUNITIES THERE I DON'T SEE, WE HAVE AT LEAST ONE , AND MAYBE OTHERS UNDER CONSIDERATION ALL? IF SO, ANY ZONING OVERLAYS I FEEL WOULD FALL UNDER PART D , BUT I DON'T HAVE AN EXACT ANSWER FOR YOU, THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE DISCUSSED WITH STAFF TO SEE WHERE THEY WOULD FIND THAT
APPROPRIATE . >> THE ONLY ONE I KNOW WE HAVE RIGHT NOW CLAY HILL, RIGHT? BUT THERE MAY BE ANOTHER ONE COMING EVENTUALLY. IT IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN THE MASTER-PLANNED COMMUNITIES, IT IS JUST AN OVERLAY FOR A
CERTAIN AREA . >> EXACTLY, MAKES AND SPIRIT WILL NOTE THAT AND GET BACK TO YOU. OKAY, BACK TO PART E.
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SO, THE MOCKUP OF WHAT PART E LOOKS LIKE IS TO THE RIGHT .WE HAVE CREATED A GENERAL TEMPLATE THAT WILL LIST OUT YOUR USE DESCRIPTION AND ANY TYPICAL USES THAT WOULD FALL UNDER THAT TYPE OF USE ALL OF YOUR DIMENSIONAL USE STANDARDS, IF THERE IS ADDITIONAL APPLICATION REQUIREMENTS THAT - PERTAIN TO EACH USE, THAT WOULD THEN FALL UNDER THERE. AND THEN WE HAVE TABULATED ALL OF THE STANDARDS SO THEY ARE EASY TO READ AND FOLLOW . A GOING BACK TO WHAT ANGELA HAD MENTIONED BEFORE WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT WHAT WE ARE KIND OF GOING TO DO WITH THE PUBLIC OUTREACH, AND IT'S , THAT FEEDBACK IS THEN GOING TO PLAY INTO OUR USE MATRIX, WHERE WE CAN SHOW WHERE THE USES ARE PERMITTED, EITHER BY SPECIAL EXCEPTION , CONDITIONAL USE, OR TEMPORARY. AND THAT IS WHERE WE ARE GOING TO USE THAT FEEDBACK IN ORDER TO INFORM THOSE DECISIONS . AND THEN ANOTHER THING WE HAVE ADDED AS WE HAVE KEPT ALL PRIMARY USES IN ONE SECTION, ANY ACCESSORY USES THAT COULD BE ABOUT WITH A PRIMARY USE WILL BE LISTED IN A TABLE THAT WE WILL REFER TO A SPECIFIC SEPARATE SECTION LIST OUT ACCESSORY USES IN THOSE REQUIREMENTS THAT FALL UNDER THOSE. AND THEN, NOW GOING TO PART F, THIS IS THE ADEQUATE PUBLIC FACILITIES AND TECHNICAL STANDARDS, WE HAVE RETAINED THOSE STANDARDS INTO THIS PART , AS WELL AS THE DESIGN REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE SPECIFIC TO YOUR MASTER PLANS .
ONE THING WE TALKED ABOUT WITH THE COUNTY WAS IF THERE IS A STANDARD DEVELOPMENT ACTION -- APPLICATION THAT COMES IN AND THE VISUAL APPEARANCEOF THAT APPLICATION IS BEING WANTED WE ARE ADDING IN LANGUAGE THAT THE MASTER-PLANNED DESIGN REQUIREMENTS CAN BE CONDITIONALLY APPLIED . SO, YOU CAN GET THE LOOK AND THE FEEL THAT YOU WANT IN THE COUNTY, EVEN FOR STANDARD APPLICATIONS. AND THEN ONE THING ABOUT THIS PART IS, ALTHOUGH THE DESIGN REQUIREMENTS AND SUCH WILL STAY WITHIN PART F, THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS WITHIN ARTICLE 3 THAT SHOULD BE RELOCATED TO OTHER ARTICLES SUCH AS ARTICLE 2 SUCH AS YOUR APPLICATION STANDARDS OR YOUR LANDSCAPING OR TREE BUFFERING , AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. WE HAVE TEMPORARILY PUT IT IN THIS PART , THAT WAY IT CAN BE EASILY TRANSFERRED OUT AND RELOCATED TO THE PROPER ARTICLES. AS WELL, WE HAVE ALSO ADDED QUITE A FEW GRAPHICS AND HERE, JUST FURTHER VISUALLY TO PROVIDE THE STANDARDS ARE AND, BEFORE I MOVE ON TO SOME NEXT STEPS ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OR THE TO BACKUP CHRISTMAS. I HAVE ONE INTRACTABLE DISPUTE THIS IS A LOT FOR US TO , I WOULD THINK , AT LEAST, TO GET THROUGH THIS. YOU. SO, ON THIS NEXT SLIDE, THESE ARE TENTATIVE DATES FOR WHEN WE WOULD COME BACK , IN ORDER TO DISCUSS THE CONSOLIDATED DRAFT . WE DO HAVE A TIGHT DEADLINE THAT WE ARE WORKING ON FINISHING UP THE CONSOLIDATED DRAFT BY THE END OF THIS MONTH. THESE DATES ARE TENTATIVE. OF COURSE WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU, AS WELL AS THE CITIZENS, HAVE ENOUGH TIME TO REVIEW THE CONSOLIDATED DRAFT, AND PROVIDE COMMENT SO, ONE THING THAT DID COME UP DURING THE MEETING THIS MORNING WAS POSSIBLY MOVING BACK THE DATE TO APRIL 4 WHERE WE COULD MEET WITH YOU TO ALLOW CITIZENS TO REVIEW IT TENNESSEE WITH THEIR FEEDBACK MIGHT BE , THEN HAVE YOU GO INTO REVIEWING THE CONSOLIDATED DRAFT. AN ADEQUATE TIME TO REVIEW EXACTLY, UNDERSTOOD THAT BEGS THE QUESTION, DO YOU HAVE A DEADLINE , A TARGET DATE YOU ARE TRYING TO BE DONE WITH THE PROJECT WAS WAS. I WOULD SAY RIGHT NOW WE ARE TARGETED TO THIS CONSOLIDATED DRAFT BY THE END OF THE MONTH. FEBRUARY?
>> IS .. STATES APRIL 3 FOR ACCEPTANCE OF THIS REVIEW?
>> JUST REVIEWED, THAT WOULD BE REVIEWING THE DRAFT AS A WHOLE, PROVIDING COMMON , THEN GOING INTO ACCEPTANCE WOULD BE LATER THIS YEAR . WHAT, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALAS, WE
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THINK IT'S HIM AFTER WE SEE THE DRAFT I WILL SAY UNDER THE DIRECTION OF THAT, THE EFFORT TO SIMPLIFY MAKE IT HE SAID, THE GENERAL WE LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING YOU QUESTION. WRAPS WAS WAS ABSOLUTELY THE GRAPHS FROM PUBLIC OUTREACH?>> YES MICHAEL KORS, WE CAN SEND THAT TO THE COUNTY , OR ONE OF THE PLANNING STAFF, THE CONSENT ALL RIGHT SOUNDS GOOD , ANGELA IS THE SPIRIT THAT WAS IT. WE ARE JUST HERE IF YOU HAD ANY MORE DISCUSSION OF QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT WAS OUR PRESENTATION AND UPDATE THAT BECAUSE OF SOME QUESTIONS THAT CAME TO MIND WHILE IN THE FIELD WE HAVE THE DRAFT. THE QUESTIONS MAY ACTUALLY ANSWER IS WHAT IT IS LIKE CONDITIONAL USE A LITTLE SIDE CALLOUT BOX IN BLACK AND WHITE IS AN EXAMPLE TEMPLATE WHAT THE COMPONENTS WOULD BE FOR EACH OF THESE ZONING DISTRICTS PICKS OVER HERE IN THIS GOT OVER HERE YOU MENTIONED ESTABLISHING JUST DIMENSIONAL USE STANDARDS, DOES THAT INCLUDE THE CONDITIONAL SPECIAL ACCEPTANCE? IT DID NOT SEEM LIKE THOSE WERE CALLED OUT
SEPARATELY . >> SO, THE GENERAL LAYOUT OF THIS PART IS THE BEGINNING THAT WOULD SHOW THAT YOUR USE MATRIX. WE HAVE IT SEPARATED INTO CATEGORIES SO AGRICULTURAL USES, FOR EXAMPLE, WITHIN THAT DIVISION WE HAVE AGRICULTURAL USES, USE MATRIX SHOWING THE APPROVAL PROCESS , WHETHER IT IS CONDITIONAL OR SPECIAL EXCEPTIONS. THAT EACH INDIVIDUAL SECTION IS THEY USE THE TITLE. WITHIN HAT YOU HAVE YOUR DESCRIPTION , ANY TYPICAL USES , AND IT SHOWS A TABLE THAT SHOWS YOUR SPACE DIMENSIONAL REQUIREMENTS , SUCH AS SEPARATION BETWEEN RESIDENTIAL USE FROM THAT TYPE . AND THEN, AFTERWARDS, IT BECOMES THE SUPPLEMENTARY STANDARDS. SO, IF YOU HAVE A SPECIFIC USE THAT NEEDS LICENSURE , OR APPROVAL FROM SOME OF OTHER BODY, THAT WOULD FALL RIGHT THERE. AND FOLLOWING THAT IS ANOTHER TABLE THAT SHOWS YOUR ACCESSORY AND COLLOCATED USES.
IF YOU HAVE AN ACCESSORY USE THAT COULD BE PERMITTED WITH THAT TYPE IT WOULD BE LISTEN THERE , THEN IT WOULD REFERENE THE SECTION OF THAT ACCESSORY USE, THAT WOULD THEN HAVE A BREAK DOWN SEE IT IT WILL MAKE'S. A LITTLE BIT OF TIME FROM THE OTHER QUESTION I WANTED TO SEE IF COULD TALK ABOUT A LITTLE BIT MORE AND IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN IN YOUR PRESENTATION INTO A WITH A SENSE ABOUT PARKING , AS THESE GUYS HAS BEEN AN ISSUE OF MINE FOR A LONG TIME THAT THE STANDARDS IN PLACE DON'T ACCOUNT FOR THE NUMBER OF CARS IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS. ARE YOU SUGGESTING ANY CHANGES TO THE CODE WHICH IS KIND OF CODIFYING WE ALREADY HAVE? I WOULD SAY AS OF NOW WE ARE NOT PROPOSING TOO MANY CHANGES .
IF I HAD IT IN FRONT OF ME AND MIGHT BE ABLE TO GIVE YOU A BETTER ANSWER. PLUS, WE ARE REALLY JUST CONSOLIDATE AND REPORT . AND PARKING IS IN ARTICLE 3 AS WELL IT IS NOT
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KNOWN, NO PARKING REQUIREMENTS . PAYMENT FOR RESIDENTIAL IT IS>> YOU ARE PROBABLY RIGHT, I THINK THAT PARKING REQUIREMENT WE HAVE FOR RESIDENTIAL SAYS TWO CARS .. YEAH, LIKE YOU HAVE YOUR PARKING TABLE, BUT HAT IS NOT WITH IN ARTICLE 3 PICKS A THAT IS FOR COMMERCIAL ONLY PREVENTING WITH THE RESIDENTIAL PEOPLE ARE COMPLAINING ABOUT IS WHAT I MENTIONED MANY TIMES GET A YOU KNOW, 60 OR WORSE, IF THE TWO CARS GO ONE IN THE GARAGE, AND ONE ON THE DRIVEWAY. SIZE CAR IN THE DRIVEWAY WITH THE FRONT THIRD AND FOURTH AND FIFTH CARD OF THE HOUSEHOLD AS EVERY KID HAS A CAR , AND THAT BLOCKING THE STREET OR THE SIDEWALK WORKING ON THE ON, THOSE KIND OF THINGS THE QUESTION THAT I HAVE. DURING THIS. TELL US THE BEST WAY IS TO ATTACK. BECAUSE THE PROCESS WE ARE GETTING IS TO GO SMALLER LOTS, HIGHER DENSITY. BUT, NO ONE IS ACCOUNTING FOR ALL OF THESE CARS WE DO THAT. AND THAT HAS BEEN THE REAL PROBLEM. WE DON'T HAVE THE DESIGN IN PLACE REPORT AND SAYS WORKING WITH THE FIVE CARS THAT ARE AT
THIS HOUSE? RIGHT? >> I AGREE. BECAUSE I LIVE IN A RURAL AREA I DON'T HAVE TO DEAL WITH IT. BUT I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO COULD BARELY GET THROUGH IT I WAS LITTLE, I SEE WHAT ROB IS TALKING ABOUT. AS WE DON'T MAKE THE ASSUMPTION THAT ANYBODY IS TO PARK ON THE STREET. THE ASSUMPTION IS IN THE GARAGE .
>> THEY WERE ALL OVER THE STREET WITH A SHOULD ADDRESS AT SOME POINT, ESPECIALLY THE PUSH, IN THE DENSER AREAS OF THE COUNTY 'S CARS THAT OFF-SITE PARKING SHUTTLE BUSES PICK , I HAVE HAD SOME IDEAS IN THE YEARS IN OAKLEY I THINK IT IS TOWNHOMES OR SOMETHING AND ALL THE WAY DOWN THE STREET, THE RUSSIANS, THEY HAVE GARAGES. THE ANGLED THE STREET, BUT IT MEANS HAVE TO REQUIRE MORE RIGHT-OF-WAY ON THE STREET . AND THOSE DEVELOPMENTS, THE ROADS ARE A LOT WIDER I DON'T KNOW, THESE ARE 15 OR 20 YEARS OLD. TO GET A CAR HERE IN THE EVENT OF THE PERSON WHO IS YOUR COMPUTER SYSTEM TO GET TO THE ROAD , THAT IS JOE, WHO LIVES IN ONE
OF THOSE . >> I DO . TWO PEOPLE IF THEY DECIDE TO PARK ON THE STREET IN THE SAME PLACE YOU MAY OR MAY NOT BE ABLE TO GET BETWEEN THEM IN AND WHAT I SEE IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD AND OTHER NEIGHBORHOOD TWO HOUSES ACROSS THE STREET FROM EACH OTHER OR BOTH OF THEIR HOUSE , IF YOU CAN THE FIRE TRUCK OR AN THROUGH THAT PARTICULAR SPACE AND I HAVE ASKED AND HAVE GOTTEN MULTIPLE DIFFERENT TYPES OF ANSWERS ON THIS, WHEN IT'S AN EMERGENCY VEHICLE CONNECTED THROUGH, WHAT WOULD YOU DO? AND I DON'T WANT TO REPEAT SOME ANSWERS, BECAUSE I DON'T OPEN A PANDORA'S BOX. BUT ALL I CAN SAY IS THAT YOU KNOW, I THINK I AM IN EXCESS OF 20, WHICH IS JUST UPDATED THAT RECENTLY TO 20 IN THE LAST YEAR OR TWO. -- INFORMING PARKING --, THE SITUATION ITSELF IS THE CAR
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THROUGH THERE, LET ALONE AN EMERGENCY VEHICLE PICKS WHAT ABOUT DELIVERY TRUCKS PICKS UP WE APPRECIATE YOU LISTENING TO THIS. YOU'RE REALLY TALKING TO THESE PEOPLE OVER HERE BECAUSE AT SOME POINT, THE PLAYERS HAVE TO FIX THIS. NOT A BAD PROJECT WHERE THE CROSS? AND NOBODY EVER HAS AN ANSWER FOR THAT OF THE OF THE OTHER ISSUES THAT I HAVE, A PARTICULAR NEIGHBORHOOD, THE SET BACKS, THE WAY THE DRIVEWAYS ARE SET UP, SOMETIMES ONE VEHICLE IS PARKED IN THE DRIVEWAY AND WALK AND WE HAVE CHILDREN THAT ARE TRYING TO GET TO AND A BUS STOP AND HAVE TO LEAVE THE SIDEWALK SOMETIMES GO INTO THE STREET IN TWO REROUTE ENDEAVOR THEMSELVES TO THE OTHER PART OF THE SIDEWALK. NOT EVERYBODY GOES DOWN THE STREET AT THE 25 WELL AND OUR PEACE HITS, THERE'S A LOT OF YOUNG DRIVERS COMING IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS, AND LITERALLY , I WOULD LIKE TO GET ONE OF THOSE STRIPS YOU CAN ROLL OUT TO FLATTEN THE TIRES AS THEY COME THROUGH. ITERATION IS WHAT WE SET BACKS AND DISTANCES AND LIKE THAT, WITH RESPECT TO THE NUMBER OF CARS THAT ARE BEING PARKED IN THE DRIVEWAY, ESPECIALLY WITH BIG PICKUPS .>> YEAH, THEY ARE WELL OVER 20 FEET LONG. SPINACH IS A QUESTION FOR THE STAFF. HOW DO WE GET IT RECTIFIED BY THE TIME THE DRAFT COMES UP? CAN WE? WHAT IS THE PROCESS TO DO THAT?
DO YOU WANT TO TACKLE THAT? >> WE ARE WORKING ON IT .
>> THEY ARE RECORDING THIS, YOU MIGHT WANT TO COME UP TO FORCE ME TO COMMIT TO THIS. STAFF ARE WORKING ON ARTICLE SIX, ARTICLE EIGHT, AND OTHER ARTICLES THAT WE WILL BE WORKING ON. ARTICLE EIGHT IS WHERE THE CLAY HILL RESORT, IT IS WITHOUT PARKING STANDARDS ARE AS WELL WE KNOW WE NEED TO ADDRESS THE SIDEWALK TO THE STRUCTURE OF THE HOUSE SO THAT WE CAN ENSURE THERE IS ENOUGH BASE THEIR FOR VEHICLES. SO, WE ARE WORKING ON IT. MANY OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT, WE ARE UNDER THE OLD STANDARD OF 20 FEET OR SO, I LIVE IN ONE OF THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS. AND I CAN RELATE. BUT, WE ARE WORKING TOWARDS THAT PICKS UP, AND THERE IS GOING TO BE RESIDENTIAL STANDARDS AND THAT? BECAUSE THEY ARE SAYING MOST OF THE PARKING STANDARDS ARE FOR COMMERCIAL . ARTICLE EIGHT ADDRESSES ALL , SINGLE-FAMILY TO ALL PARKING, YES. THAT KIND OF ANSWERS IT. SO, WE MAY NOT SEE IT IN THIS. WE WILL SEE IT IN A FUTURE DRAFT PICKS WE ARE GOING TO COORDINATE YOU HAVE A LOT OF THIS COME TOGETHER TOWARD ME, PROBABLY MORE TOWARD THE FALL AMENDMENTS THAT WILL HAVE TO BE DONE, POSSIBLY IF WE MAKE ANY CHANGES BECAUSE THE COMP PLAN FOLLOWS DIRECTLY INTO THE LAND
DEVELOPMENT CODE . >> AND IT IS REALLY JUST THOSE TIGHT NEIGHBORHOODS LIKE IT TO BE A REAL PROBLEM. SOME LIKE EAGLE HARBOR, THEY KIND OF ACCOMMODATE THAT IT IS A PROBLEM . BUT THEY HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT TOO. OH, YEAH.
IT IS ALL CODE, BUT THE CODE IS INSUFFICIENT WITH ALL OF THE CARS THAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT. NO, THERE'S ENOUGH TO SEMITES IN THE YARD. THE PROBLEM WILL. AND IT IS A SAFETY HANDS THAT HAS HER TOO. I'M GLAD WE ARE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT IT. WE CAN GO TO THE NEW YORK THING WE GOT THE CAR AND AND YOU LIFTED UP HER MOTHER USED TO DO THAT .
PINNACLE, YEAH. IS NOT THE CHIEF OPPOSITION.
THESE WAREHOUSES OR STORAGE BUILDINGS WE ARE PUTTING UP, WE CAN HOOK UP THE RUSSIANS WITH ELEVATORS AND THEN INSTEAD.
MECH OKAY. ANYBODY ELSE WANT TO MAKE ANY COMMENT OR ANYTHING ON THE RECORD OR ASK ANY QUESTIONS? OKAY. I GUESS WE ARE PROBABLY DONE, THEN, UNLESS COURTNEY?
>> OH, YES, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I KIND OF THOUGHT ABOUT THAT. LET ME OPEN UP THE PUBLIC COMMENT PORTION OF THIS MEETING . OR, DID YOU WANT TO MAKE A COMMENT? CAN YOU GIVE US
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YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS PLEASE? >> MATT, 717 -- I JUST ECHO WITH YOU ALL WERE PRETTY MUCH SAYING , THAT PARKING IS AN ISSUE, AND AS FAR AS MR. GARRISON, WERE TALKING ABOUT YOU KNOW, THE AFFORDABILITY . WITH ME, AS A CITIZEN, THINGS WHEN I WENT AND PUT MY.ON THINGS . TO ME, WHEN I LOOK AT THE DEVELOPER IS SAYING AFFORDABILITY, TO ME HE IS SAYING WHAT IS PROFITABLE FOR PROFITABILITY. WHICH IS RIGHTFULLY WHAT THEY DO, THEY HAVE TO BE PROFITABLE. AND I UNDERSTAND THAT. BUT I GUESS THAT IS WHERE THE DISCONNECT IS IT THAT MAKES SENSE . PINNACLE OF THIS CONVERSATION, BY THE WAY. YET, DEVELOPERS ARE BUSINESS PEOPLE. BUILDERS ARE BUSINESS PEOPLE. AND GUESS WHAT? IS A BUSINESS. THEY DON'T SELL GROCERIES AND LOSE MONEY. WE DON'T BUILD HOUSES AND HIS MONEY. AS A GOOD FRIEND OF MINE SAID, I COULD GO BROKE AND STAYED HOME. SO HE'S NOT GOING TO BUILD A $700,000 PROJECT AND BUILT THAT. SO, EVERYBODY WANTS TO PROVIDE AFFORDABILITY. YOU WANT TO HAVE A PRODUCT THAT PEOPLE WILL BUY. BUT, THE REALITY IS YOUR COST COME IN AT SOME LEVEL, YOU HAVE TO MARKET UP SOME AMOUNT , IN THE MARKET WILL DETERMINE WHAT YOU CAN MARKET UP, YOU CANNOT SELF ADDRESS FOR MORE THAN YOU CAN SELL THEM FOR OR SO HOMES FOR MORE THAN YOU CAN SELL THEM FOR SOMEBODY WILL FIGURE OUT HOW TO DO IT A LITTLE BIT LESS EXPENSIVE. I PROMISE YOU, LOOK AT SOME OF THE PRODUCTION LEVEL HOMES. YOU CANNOT BUILD THEM ANY LESS EXPENSIVE. THAT IS LIKE. SO, ANYWAY . IT IS A TOUGH ROAD, VERY TOUGH , WHICH IS WHY THERE ARE GOVERNMENT GRANTS TO PROVIDE FOR FIRST-TIME HOMEBUYERS, IN THAT SORT OF FIRST-TIME HOMEBUYER FINANCING AND DOWN PAYMENT ASSISTANCE WHEN THAT COMES INTO PLAY, ALL OF A SUDDEN TURNS INTO THIS NEGATIVE CONNOTATION ABOUT THE PEOPLE BUYING THE HOMES. FOR ME, AS A CITIZEN, I WAS JUST TRYING TO SAY THAT YOU KNOW, FOR AFFORDABLE HOMES, I DON'T GET THAT SAME STIGMA THOUGHT PROCESS PICKS I WOULD HOPE NOT PICKS IT IS THE PROFITABILITY . THEY ARE JUST NOT AFFORDABLE, THEN THAT ALSO GOES INTO WE ARE DEALING WITH LOT SIZES, PARKING, YOU GO TO A KIDS BIRTHDAY PARTY AND SOME THE SUBDIVISION, THERE IS NOWHERE TO GO . MECH IT'S A TOUGH ROAD
. >> AND I THINK WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT TREE MITIGATION FOR EMPTY LAND , I AM WONDERING IF THAT WAS BECAUSE OF SAY A DEVELOPER EYES PASTURELAND, THAT THERE ARE NOT TREES ON IT AND THEY WHAT DO I HAVE TO MITIGATE FOR TREES WHEN THERE WERE NOT ANY HERE WHEN I STARTED? LIVING THAT IS WHERE THAT CAME FROM.
>> IT COULD BE. I HAVE ALWAYS CALLED OUT COORDINATES. WE DON'T HAVE A TREE PROTECTION ORDINANCE IN THIS COUNTY, WE HAVE A TREEPLANTING ORDINANCE. AND AS MANY TREES. SPEAKING OF, I WAS INVOLVED IN THAT. I LOVED TREES. BUT YOU CAN, IF YOU COULD TAKE OUR PASTOR AND PUT THE SUBDIVISION -- I NOTICED YOU HAVE BEEN VERY ACTIVE IN SOME OF THESE, I APPRECIATE SEEING YOU HERE. WE NEED MORE CITIZENS INVOLVED , SO I APPRECIATE SEEING YOU AT THESE MEETINGS PICKS THINK HE
PICKS I WOULD ECHO THAT . >> I APPRECIATE YOU ARE LOOKING AT THE SAME THINGS THAT I AM WORRIED ABOUT .
>> BELIEVE ME. YOU WOULD BE SURPRISED , WE GET FRUSTRATED WITH THIS STUFF TOO, BECAUSE WE ARE SOMETIMES HEMMED IN EITHER CODE OR BY THE LAW . AND WE ARE NOT ALWAYS HAPPY ABOUT IT, BUT WE CANNOT GO OFF AND MAKE OUR OWN RULES.
>> WE ARE ALSO RESIDENT . WE LIVE. TWO.
>> THANK YOU, SIR. ANYONE ELSE? IF NOT, LET'S CLOSE THE
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HEARING . ANY AND MANY -- SORRY ABOUT YOUR LIFE IT'S BEEN IDENTIFIED FOR THE BASEMENT THANK YOU, NOT TOO MUCH, I HAD TO GET IN EARLY. I KNOW I CAME IN LATE AND THAT BILL WAS TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING THAT I HAVE KIND OF BROUGHT UP IN MANY SITUATIONS, WITH SOME OF THE DEVELOPERS THAT HAVE BEEN COMING IN AND LOOKING FOR ZONING CHANGES FOR PROPER TEES.HOW DO WE DETERMINE THAT NUMBER FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING? AND HOW DO WE QUALIFY THAT ? AND DO YOU HOLD A DEVELOPER TO THE FIRE WHEN IT COMES TO IF YOU WERE BUILDING THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY FOR, AS WE CALL IT NOW, LOW-COST HOUSING?
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WITH THE APPLICATION PROCESS, IF THERE ARE OVER A CERTAIN INCOME LEVEL OR IF THEY WANT TO LIVE IN A LOWER-COST ENVIRONMENT , ARE WE GOING OR ARE THEY GOING TO ALLOW THAT? HOW DO WE REGULATE THAT? LET'S JUST SAY THAT IN A LOW-COST HOUSING SITUATION , MAYBE THE MEDIAN INCOME FOR THAT IS LIKE $50,000. IF SOMEBODY COMES IN AND IS MAKING 60 OR $65,000 BUT WANTS TO LIVE IN THIS DEVELOPMENT, IS IT GOING TO BE REGULATED AT ALL? OR ARE WE JUST WANT TO LEAVE IT OPEN? I KNOW IT IS NOT UP TO US WITH THE COUNTRY, IT IS REALLY MORE ON THE DEVELOPER SIDE, WHEN THEY COME IN AND SAY WE WANT TO PUT IN 300 UNITS AND MAKE IT LOW-COST HOUSING SO THESE PEOPLE , I AGREE, NEED A PLACE TO LIVE, HOW IS THAT ALL GOING TO HAPPEN SO THAT IT ACTUALLY BECOMES THAT UNLESS IT BECOMESSOMETHING ELSE? >> THE ONLY RELATIONS I RECALL THE PROGRAMS THAT I RECALL , THEY HAVE TO BE OWNER-OCCUPIED . YOU ONLY HAVE AN INCOME LIMIT WHEN YOU'RE TRYING TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE PROGRAM. THAT IS THE ONLY TYPE IF YOU WANT TO BUY A HOUSE NEXT DOOR TO SOMEBODY WHO USED DOWN PAYMENT ASSISTANCE, OR GOT A LOW-INTEREST MORTGAGE THROUGH THE HOUSING FINANCE AUTHORITY, YOU CAN DO THAT. YOU COULD BE A MILLIONAIRE AND BUY THE HOUSE, BUT YOU HAVE TO LIVE IN IT, YOU CANNOT BUY IT IN WITH IT PICKS ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT
SINGLE HOUSING . >> WHATEVER IT IS IT'S IT HAS TO BE OWNER-OCCUPIED SMITH IT HAPPENS AT THE 300 UNITS ARE RENTALS? IN A BUILDING IS SPECIFIC, THE COME TO US AND SAY WE WANT TO BUILD THIS FOR LOW-COST HOUSING, BUT THEY ARE REALLY NOT, THEY ARE YOU KNOW, WE WILL PULL OVER OUR EYES , I SIT HERE A LONG TIME LIKE RALPH, WE'VE SEEN THINGS COME UP WHERE SOMEBODY COMES IN AND SAYS THIS OR THAT, CASE IN POINT , TO ME, AND AGAIN , I KNOW, RECENTLY , WE HAVE BEEN HEARING SOME CHANGES, WE JUST HEARD ONE RECENTLY ON GOVERNANCE PARK , THAT PROPERTY WAS JUST SOLD TO A COMPANY THAT IS AN OUT-OF-STATE COMPANY, I DON'T HAVE ANY CLUE WHAT THEIR PLANS ARE FOR DEVELOPMENT. I DON'T KNOW WHETHER WE ARE LOOKING AT THAT OR NOT, TO ME THAT IS A CONCERN . WE HAVE HAD OTHER PEOPLE COME IN FOR ZONING CHANGES YOU HAVE FLIP-FLOPPED . THEY ARE DOING IT, BUT THEN DOING IT WITH THE INTENT TO SELL THIS OFF TO SOMEONE ELSE , TO GIVE SOMEBODY ELSE THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME IN AND DO SOME THAT WE ARE GIVING PERMISSION FOR. RALPH, YOU KNOW WHAT I AM SAYING.
>> I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. I DON'T THINK ANYBODY GOES INTO, FIRST OF ALL, STEP BACK FOR WHOEVER BOUGHT THAT LAND ACCEPT THE FACT THAT THEY INTEND TO MAKE MONEY ON IT PICKS ABSOLUTELY. THE QUESTION .
>> SO, THEY ARE GOING TO PUT IN THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND HAVE SOMEBODY WHO IS PRETTY WELL ENTITLED THEY ARE GOING TO DEVELOP IT AND PUT IN INFRASTRUCTURE AND COME UP WITH A NUMBER TO SELL THE LOT, THEN TRY TO FIND FILTERS TO SELL THE LOT. THEN THE BUILDERS BUY THE LOT AND GO HOME. THEY WANT TO SELL THEM AS QUICKLY AS THEY CAN. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ENTRANCE OF SOMEBODY TAKING ADVANTAGE OF IT , I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY ARE TAKING ADVANTAGE OF. WELL,
NOTHING VERY SPECIFIC, RIGHT? >> LET ME JUST SAY PICKS THE LADIES PROBABLY WANT TO GET OUT OF HERE. YOU KNOW WHAT I ALWAYS FIND REALLY INTERESTING ABOUT THIS DISCUSSION? IT'S HOW THIS IS A VERY RIGHT-THE COUNTY , CONSERVATIVE, REPUBLICAN COUNTY , WHO ADVOCATES FOR LACK OF GOVERNMENT INVOLVEMENT. UNTIL IT COMES TO HOUSING. THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN WE WANT TO TELL PEOPLE HOW AND WHY AND HOW MUCH AND THAT , I CANNOT HELP BUT LAUGH AT IT PICKS IS NOT WHAT I AM TRYING TO DO. JUST TO LET YOU KNOW, THAT MY INTENT .
CONNECT WE SHOULD LET THE MARKETPLACE DO WHAT IT DOES.
NOBODIES DOWN THERE TELLING FOLKS HOW MUCH TO SELL GREEN BEANS FOR . BEEN A OF THAT, I'M TRYING TO SAY IS WE TALK ABOUT LOW-COST HOUSING, KNOWN, TO THIS POINT, TO ME, HAS IDENTIFIED REALLY WHAT DOES THAT MEAN ? AND WHERE ARE THE PARAMETERS FOR THAT? SO THAT WE KNOW .
>> IT IS. IF YOU WANT TO EDUCATE US, YOU CAN HAVE TERESA FROM HOUSING AND IS. THAT'S RIGHT, WOULD YOU RECOMMEND?
>> THE HOUSING FINANCE AUTHORITY FOR THE COUNTY. THEY ARE CONNECTED AT THE STATE LEVEL.
>> SHE SHOULD HAVE A MEETING TO HAVE A PRESENTATION .
>> IT IS A MULTIPLIER OF MEDIAN INCOME.
>> MY COMMENT WAS NOT POLITICAL .
>> I KNOW. ANYWAY . >> LET ME ASK STAFF . DO YOU THINK YOU CAN ARRANGE FOR THE HOUSING FINANCE OR WHAT IS HER
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EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE HOUSING MINORITY -- HOUSING AUTHORITY. SHE COULD COME IN 20 OR 30 MINUTES>> GIVE US A 20 OR 30 MINUTE PRESENTATION ABOUT WHAT THEY
DO. >> WE CAN ASK HER TO COME TO TALK TO YOU ALL, BUT WILL THE SARATOGA SPRINGS CAME IN AND WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE DENSITY THERE WITH AFFORDABLE HOUSING , I BELIEVE I GAVE YOU A TABLE AT THE TIME WHICH I CAN GIVE YOU ANOTHER COPY OF, IF YOU WOULD LIKE . FROM HER OFFICE AND BASES ON FAMILY SIZE , WHAT A UNIT WOULD BE.
>> IT IS VERY WELL HAVE BEEN DEFINED, THEY DO GREAT WORK.
CAN GET YOU THAT INFORMATION AND SCHEDULE HER TO COMMENT TALK. MAY BE A 20 MINUTE PRESENTATION ON WHAT THEY DO.
OF THE CONSTRUCTION TYPES THAT ARE HILL, BILL AND MIKE AND WHOEVER ELSE? WHEN WE TALK ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING, WHAT IS THE INSTRUCTION, IS IT A CONSTRUCTION OF THE FACILITY, OR THE BUILDING DIFFERENT IF IT WAS NOT CLASSIFIED AS A AS AFFORDABLE HOUSING? OR ARE WE TALKING ABOUT TO THE STANDARD POINT OF THE WAY OR A MEDICAMENT OF -- MECHANISM TO
GET TO THE OWNER OR BUYER? >> SO, TO ANSWER THE QUESTION , YEAH, YOU DESIGN THE PRICE . IT STARTS AT THE DESIGN. YOU HAVE TO DESIGN THE PRODUCT TO BE AS AFFORDABLE AS POSSIBLE.
WE ARE BUMPING IT UP . >> I'M NOT GOING TO NEED BUILDERS, THEY ARE STUDENT SHOEBOXES STACKED ON TOP OF EACH OTHER, THEN YOU GO INTO EAGLE HARBOR AND THEY GET MORE COMPLICATED. ALL THAT ADDS TO THE COSTS. THEN YOU END UP WITH A COST AND YOU ARE GOING TO MAKE A MARGIN, WHATEVER THAT MAY BE , YOU HAVE TO SURVIVE AND PAY YOUR PEOPLE A LITTLE BIT OF MONEY. SO, THAT IS WHAT DETERMINES IF YOU BUY CHEAP AND GET CHEAP LAND, THE COUNTY AND OTHER PROGRAMS CAN HELP WITH FINANCING. BUT, AS YOU CAN TELL, IT IS AN EXTREMELY DIFFICULT TO ACHIEVE. METHOD CENTERS MOSTLY AROUND THE DESIGN , AS OPPOSED TO YOU ARE NOT REALLY , OKAY, YOU'RE NOT BUILDING A HOUSE OF CARDS VERSUS A BRICK HOME ?
>> RIGHT, GO IN AND WILL, IMAGINE THE SAME HOME , IT CAN HAVE VINYL SIDING OR HEARTY SIDING OR BRICK AND EVERY STEP OF THE GET MOR EXPENSIVE. SO YOU END UP WITH A SQUARE BOX WITH VINYL SIDING ON IT THAT HAS A ONE CAR GARAGE AND A SMALL DRIVEWAY. AND SOMEBODY COMPLAINS ABOUT LOOK AT THOSE CHEAP LITTLE HOUSES THEY ARE BUILDING . HE SAID HE WANTED
AFFORDABLE. >> IF I CAN ADD TO THAT, FIRST OFF I APOLOGIZE FOR BEING LATE. BUT, THE QUESTION ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING, THE FLORIDA BUILDING CODE ESTABLISHES THE MINIMUMS. AND ALL BUILDERS HAVE TO MEET THOSE MINIMUMS. THERE IS WINDBORNE, OR THERE IS WHEN A MINIMUMS FOR UPLIFT BETTER ENGINEERED INTO THE PLANS BACK SO, FROM THAT STANDPOINT ALL STRUCTURES IN FLORIDA HAVE TO MEET THE MINIMUMS, DEPENDING ON WHERE THEY ARE AT . IT THEY ARE IN MY NANA AND -- MIAMI, AND IT
REQUIRES MORE . >> THE BASELINE CANNOT GO BELOW THAT . CORRECT PICKS ANYTHING ELSE ABOUT IT .
>> YOU, IF YOU GO FROM A STICK BUILT STRUCTURE TO A BUNKER , A CONCRETE BUNKER , THAT IS THE MARKET OR THE BUYER TO SPEND THE EXTRA MONEY ON WHATEVER A WANT TO , OR IN FINISHES, TWO BILLS POINT. BUT, THERE IS A BASELINE THAT ALL BUILDERS HAVE TO MEET IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA, THAT IS ONE OF THE BEAUTIES OF LIVING IN OUR STATE. AFTER HURRICANE ANDREW , THE WHOLE BUILDING CODE WAS REVAMPED. AND THAT'S WHY AFTER HURRICANE EVENTS NOW, WAS MOST OF THE DAMAGE WE SEE ARE PRE-HURRICANE ANDREW STRUCTURES THAT ARE BEING DAMAGED BY WIND
OR WIND-BORN DEBRIS. >> OKAY. EVERYBODY GOOD? ALL RIGHT. AND WE ARE GOING TO END THIS MEETING OR THIS WORKSHOP.
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