[00:00:46] THAT WE SING HAPPY BIRTHDAY. >> I AM TRULY HONORED. THANK YOU. WHERE'S COMMISSIONER HENDRY, HE LOVES TO SING. I'M SURPRISED HE'S NOT BURSTING THROUGH THE DOOR RIGHT NOW. >> GIVES YOU PLEASURE TO INTRODUCE A COUPLE OF REPRESENTATIVES FROM WGI , AND THE FIRST TO PRESENT THIS BRIEF IS ANGELA , SO WE ARE GOING TO PRESENT , AND AT CERTAIN POINTS WITHIN TO STOP AND ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT MAY BE BUGGING YOU SO AS NOT TO FORGET THEM BY THE END OF THE BRIEF. >> TWO ITEMS, WE HAVE COMMISSIONER CONDON ONLINE, AND ON TEAMS. >> SO THE ROLLCALL. >> YES, I WILL FOLLOW THE AGENDA. ROLLCALL. ALL ARE HERE EXCEPT FOR COMMISSIONER: WHO IS UNDER THE WEATHER. >> AND THE SECOND THING,,, EMMA , I WOULD OPEN UP THE PUBLIC MEETING FOR ANY PUBLIC COMMENT YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO [1.  Project Update Presentation by WGI] DISCUSS ANY ISSUE RELATED TO SECTION 3 OF THE PLANNING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT CODE. >> SINGH NINE. NOW IT'S YOUR TURN. >> OKAY, THANK YOU, GOOD MORNING. IF I CAN GET THIS TO WORK. IT WAS WORKING LAST NIGHT. OKAY. YOU CAN GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. ANGELA, WITH WGI, I HAVE TODAY ERICA CURTIN, ONE OF OUR PLANNERS. GIVE US A SECOND HERE TO GET OUR PRESENTATION UP AND GOING. COMMISSIONER, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO LEAD US IN ANOTHER SONG QUESTION MARKS FOR NOT YES. THERE WE GO. SO WE ARE HERE TODAY TO GIVE YOU GUYS AN UPDATE TODAY ON OUR ARTICLE 3 WHICH IS THE ZONING CODE , YOU CAN SEE HERE BY THIS GRAPHIC AND TIMELINE, WE ARE CHUGGING AWAY WITH OUR SCHEDULE HERE. IT'S FEBRUARY, AND YESTERDY WE HAD TWO WORKSHOPS, WITH THE COMMUNITY RESIDENTS, AS WELL AS WITH THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY. AND WE WILL BE PRESENTING TO PLANNING COMMISSION, LATER ON THIS AFTERNOON. THE PURPOSE OF THIS IS TO GIVE AN UPDATE ON THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT ACTIVITIES THAT WE HAD IN OCTOBER, WE HAD TWO WORKSHOPS IN OCTOBER WITH THE PUBLIC AND DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY IS WELCOME AND WANTED TO GO THROUGH THE RESULTS OF THAT WORKSHOP, AND GIVE YOU GUYS AN IDEA OF HOW THOSE RESULTS ARE GOING TO CONFIRM THE CHANGES THAT WE ARE MAKING. >> DURING THOSE WORKSHOPS, BOTH WERE IDENTICAL INFORMATION THAT WE SURVEYED THE PARTICIPANTS ON. WE HAD BOARDS THROUGHOUT THE ROOM, AND ASKED EVERYONE TO VOTE ON DIFFERENT DISTRICTS. WE HAVE RURAL, LOW , MEDIUM, AND HIGH, THAT I WILL GO THROUGH THE RESULTS OF. FOR EACH OF THOSE WE HAD VOTING FOR DIFFERENT TYPES OF USES, SO ASKING PEOPLE TO PUT A DOT [00:05:08] NEXT TO WHAT THEY THOUGHT WAS MOST APPROPRIATE FOR THOSE AREAS. MOST WERE NEUTRAL AND LEASE APPROPRIATE FOR THOSE AREAS. >> WE ARE GOING TO GO TO THROUGH SOME OF THE RESULTS, AND HOW THE SIMILARITIES AND HOW THEY DIFFER BETWEEN EACH OTHER. WHAT WE ARE GOING TO DO, AND ERIKA WILL GET INTO ON IN THE PRESENTATION. WE ARE DEVELOPING A MATRIX I WILL GO INTO THE CODE FOR ALL THE DIFFERENT ZONING DISTRICTS, USES, SO THAT WE CAN VERY EASILY AND GRAPHICALLY LOOK AT WHAT TYPE OF USES ARE PERMITTED IN THOSE DISTRICTS, AND WHAT KIND OF PROCESS IT WOULD GO THROUGH. SO THIS ONE WE STARTED WITH IS THE RURAL AREA DISTRICT WHICH WAS REPRESENTED HERE IN GREEN. LOOKING AT THE DOTS, THE GREEN DOTS, THE GREEN DOTS WERE WHERE WE HAVE 60% OR MORE OF THE PARTICIPANTS SAID , YES, THIS IS SOMETHING WE WANT TO SEE HERE. THIS IS APPROPRIATE. THE YELLOW IS 40 TO 59% WERE MAYBE, MAYBE NOT. AND THE RED WAS, DEFINITELY NOT, WE ARE NOT SUPPORTIVE OF THAT. SO WE WILL USE THAT INFORMATION ALSO TO TRY TO HELP IDENTIFY WHAT PROCESS IF ANY THOSE USES WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH IN DIFFERENT DISTRICTS. AS THE PERMITTED? IS IT POSSIBLE EXCEPTION, OR CONDITIONAL USE? OR IS IT PROHIBITED? YOU WILL SEE WHERE WE'VE GOT GREEN DOTS ACROSS EVEN WHERE WE HAVE THE RED TO YELLOW SPIRIT WE HAVE SIMILAR FEELINGS FOR BOTH THE CITIZEN PARTICIPANTS AS WELL AS THE DELL BEING COMMITTED. WE HAD A COUPLE WHERE THERE WERE DIFFERING OPINIONS, SO YOU LOOK AT DUPLEXES, AND OUTDOOR STORAGE ARTS, THOSE WERE DRAMATICALLY DIFFERENT . THE COMMUNITIES THOUGHT, THIS IS APPROPRIATE, WITH THE CITIZENS THOUGHT, MAYBE NOT. WE DID HAVE GOOD DISCUSSION YESTERDAY WITH BOTH OF THOSE GROUPS IS WELCOME AS TO MAYBE WHY SOME OF THOSE DIFFERENCES OCCURRED. I CAN IDENTIFY THAT AS I GO ALONG IN THE PRESENTATION AS WELL. SO WE WILL HAVE SLIDES OF THIS FOR EACH OF THESE CATEGORIES, AND I JUST WANT TO PAUSE HERE AND SEE IF THERE WERE ANY QUESTIONS, OR IF YOU GUYS HAD ANY FEEDBACK OR ANYTHING WE WANTED TO DISCUSS ON THESE USES IN THESE AREAS? PARTICULARLY, FOR THE DUPLEXES AND OUTDOOR STORAGE ARTS, AND IF THERE WERE ANY ADDITIONAL FEEDBACK, OR ANYTHING YOU WOULD LIKE US TO KNOW ABOUT THESE, IF YOU ARE IN AGREEMENT, OR DISAGREEMENT WITH THOSE. >> I'VE A QUESTION. WHERE THERE IS A GREAT DISPARITY THROUGH THE CITIZENS AND DISPARITY, WITH THE COMMERCIAL, DO WE CAPTURE SOME OF THE COMMENTS? PRESENTED AS TO WHY? >> YES. >> IS THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD. OKAY. AND SO MOVING ON AGAIN, THIS IS FOR THE RURAL AREA, THESE ARE MORE THE COMMERCIAL TYPE USES. AND IN PARTICULAR, WE DID HAVE SOME DISCUSSION ON THE SLIDES, AND THOUGHT THAT -- WE WERE TOLD THAT A LOT OF DISCREPANCY HERE WHICH WOULD BE WHAT THE DISCREPANCY WHERE THE CITIZENS AND DEVELOPERS WERE LOOKING AT. WE HAVE SEVERAL LARGE STATE ROAD, CORRIDORS, OR INTERSTATE, IN CHANGES IN THIS AREA WITH THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY THOUGHT, OKAY, SOME OF THESE COMMERCIAL USES WOULDN'T BE APPROPRIATE IN THOSE AREAS. AND THE RESIDENCE WITH THE GATE, THEY WEREN'T LOOKING AT THAT GRANULAR LEVEL WHEN THEY WERE LOOKING AT THE MAP . SO THE IDEA WAS WAS, MAYBE WE COULD LOOK AT SOME SORT OF MAIN STREET AREAS, OR COMMERCIAL MODES ON THE STREETS, BUT THE MAJORITY OF THOSE WOULD NOT BE APPROPRIATE FOR THOSE LARGER COMMERCIAL USES. >> AND THEN MOVING ON TO THE LOWER DENSITY AREA, THESE WERE JUST IMAGES OF THE BOARDS, AND VOTING, AS WELL. AGAIN HERE WE SAY WE LOOK AT TOWNHOMES, SMALL APARTMENTS, CONDOS AND OUTDOOR STORAGE WHERE WE HAVE THAT VARYING DIFFERENCE OF WHAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE IN THESE AREAS. THE DISCUSSION ON THIS LED TO A LOT OF CONVERSATION ON MORE ISSUES WITH THE INFRASTRUCTURE. SO MAYBE NOT SO MUCH THE USE ITSELF, BUT HOW DOES THE CURRENT INFRASTRUCTURE SUPPORT THOSE USES, OR NOT SUPPORT THEM. A LOT TO TALK ABOUT SCHOOLS, ROADS, CAPACITY, TRAFFIC. AND THAT IT WAS MAYBE MORE OF AN ISSUE WITH NEEDING TO PROVIDE THE INFRASTRUCTURE TO SUPPORT THOSE USES, RATHER THAN THE ACTUAL USES. THERE SAME WITH THIS, AS WELL. [00:10:03] REALLY, THE ONLY ONE THAT WAS PRETTY MUCH DRAMATICALLY DIFFERENT WAS THE FARMS, AND WRENCHES. >> MOVING ONTO THE MEDIUM DENSITY AREA, THIS WAS, ACTUALLY THE ONLY AREA WHERE WE WERE PRETTY ALIGNED ACROSS BOTH GROUPS, AND SEEN HERE FOR THE COMMERCIAL. >> RIGHT MOVING ONTO THE HIGH DENSITY AREA, THIS WAS ONE THAT ACTUALLY HAD THE MOST DIFFERENCE OF OPINION, AND CONVERSATION OVER. SO YOU WILL SEE THAT CITIZENS VOTED AGAINST ALMOST ALL OF THE USES, IN THIS CATEGORY WHEREAS THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY WAS MORE SUPPORTIVE OF IT. AGAIN WE WERE FINDING THAT THIS WAS GETTING BACK TO THE FACT THAT THIS AREA IS PRETTY MUCH ALL BUILT OUT, AND THESE WOULD BE MORE IN INDISCERNIBLE ] SITUATIONS, VERSUS UNTOUCHED LAND DEVELOPMENT. IT WASN'T SO MUCH THAT THESE WOULD NOT BE APPROPRIATE, OR THAT WHERE WE CAN PUT THESE, WHERE THERE IS NO ROOM FOR THESE KINDS OF USES IF WE DON'T HAVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE. >> AND THIS WAS FOR THE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT AND IDENTITY. AGAIN WE ARE LOOKING AT BIG BOX STORES AND OFFICE PARKS THAT WERE VARYING IN DIFFERENT IN THEIR VOTING. WAS THERE ANY COMMENT ON THESE BOARDS? OR ARE THESE RESULTS? >> I FIND IT INTERESTING ANYTIME THAT YOU SAMPLE A LARGE NUMBER OF PEOPLE, FOR SOME COMPARISONS, I ALSO FIND IT INTERESTING THAT EACH OF THOSE IN THE NEUTRAL AREA WAS WELL BELOW EITHER THE AGREE OR DISAGREE. USUALLY YOU FIND PEOPLE WHEN YOU DO THAT, THEY TEND TO TAKE THE MIDDLE GROUND WHICH IS NEUTRAL IN THIS CASE. NONE OF THOSE CATEGORIES DO WE SEE THE NEUTRAL. IT WAS A MAIN KIND OF CHOICE WITHIN, SO THIS IS PRETTY WELL OUTLINING WHERE THEY THINK THEY SHOULD BE BUILDING IN THE COMMITTEE PER OUR CITIZENS. THE ONLY QUESTION I HAVE IS, IN TERMS OF AND I GUESS WE HAVE TO GET DOWN ON A LITTLE BIT MORE FINITE LOOK AT THESE THINGS, BUT I CAN'T REMEMBER WHICH CATEGORY IT WAS, BUT WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE EXPRESSWAY, AND THOSE INTERCHANGES, THAT'S ACCIDENTALLY WHERE THE COMMERCIAL IS AND NOT SO MUCH INTO THE RURAL AREA, OR THE DENSITY AREAS. IS THAT A QUESTION THAT WAS PROPOSED ANYBODY IN TERMS OF WHAT THEIR FEELINGS WERE ON THAT? >> THAT WAS A DISCUSSION THAT WAS HAD YESTERDAY. SO IT WASN'T IDENTIFIED ON THE ORIGINAL MAPS, IT WAS JUST THIS BIG BLOCK AREA, AND THAT WAS A LOT OF WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT PARTICULARLY WITH THE CITIZENS YESTERDAY EVENING. IT WAS THAT HOW ARE WE LOOKING AT THOSE INTERCHANGES, AND THOSE CENTERS AND ARE THOSE USES APPROPRIATE THERE? AND THE ANSWER WAS, YEAH, THEY PROBABLY ARE, THEY ARE PROBABLY NOT APPROPRIATE OFF OF THOSE VARIOUS COMMERCIAL CENTERS. >> YEAH, 50 MILES OFF THE INNER CHALLENGE IS DIFFERENT THAN YOU KNOW 30 OR 50 MILES OFF THE INTERCHANGE. THAT'S WHERE I WAS CURIOUS. >> ARE WE TO SEE THOSE KIND OF THINGS AND THAT KIND OF MATERIAL, OR HAVE WE ALREADY PRE-DIGESTED IT TO SEE WHAT PEOPLE WILL ANSWER IN TERMS OF CONSOLIDATION? >> YOU MEAN AS FAR AS REVISED TEXT LANGUAGE? >> NO, JUST THE RESULTS OF THOSE. >> YES, WE WILL SUMMARIZE THAT AFTER THE WORKSHOPS TODAY. WE WILL GATHER ALL THAT INFORMATION, THAT'S GOING TO REALLY START TO INFORM THE ACTUAL LANGUAGE THAT WE DRAFTED. >> OKAY. >> SO, ANOTHER QUESTION THAT WE HAD PUT OUT TO THE PARTICIPANTS, TO PUT ON WAS MORE JUST THE VISION FOR THIS CODE, AND REALLY WHAT THEY WANT THE ZONING CODE TO REFLECT AND WHAT'S MOST IMPORTANT TO THEM? THE TOP ANSWERS WERE THE PRESERVATION OF CHARACTR AND SPACE AND CHARACTER. THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY VOTED VERY WIDELY FOR A VARIETY OF DEVELOPMENT HOUSING TYPES , AND THE RESIDENTS FELT STRONGLY ABOUT THE VARIETY OF HOUSING TYPE AND TO FOCUS THE GROWTH IN SPECIFIC AREAS. SO I THINK HE GETS BACK TO THAT VOTING, AND THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND WE'VE [00:15:03] WRITTEN SOME OF THOSE USES A VERY SPECIFIC NODES, OR CERTAIN AREAS, AND SOMETHING THAT IS GOING TO BE ACROSS THE ENTIRE DISTRICT. >> I'VE A QUESTION. >> GOING BACK TO THAT SLIDE, DEFINING THAT CATEGORY, THEY ARE. SO, THAT WAS TALKING ABOUT MOSTLY THE RESIDENTIAL PARKING LOCATIONS. AND IDENTIFYING THE APPROPRIATE ON STREET DRIVEWAY FOR ON STREET DEVELOPMENT SPIRITUAL NOT OKAY. >> I HAVE A QUESTION. >> I FIND IT INTERESTING, THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING -- WE OF COURSE KNOW THIS NEED WE HAVE FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING, BUT MAYBE IT SPEAKS TO THE NEED THAT THE CITIZENS DON'T RALIZE HOW MUCH YOU NEED WE HAVE. >> DID THEY REALIZE IT ? >> IS MAKING WITH THEM, I THINK IT WAS LESS ABOUT THE NEED, AND MORE ABOUT THE PRACTICALITY OF BEING ABLE TO PROVIDE IT. THERE WAS A LOT OF COMMENTARY THAT YOU KNOW, WHAT IS AFFORDABLE, MEAN? AND EVEN IF CALLING IT AFFORDABLE, IS IT REALLY AFFORDABLE? AND AFFORDABLE FOR WHO? I THINK THAT WAS A DEFINITION OF THE TERM, AND HOW WE WERE USING THE TERM, THEN THE NEED ITSELF. >> WHEN YOU SAY THAT THE GROUP THAT WAS SURVEYED HERE WERE CITIZENS, WHAT IS THE CROSS SESSION LOOK LIKE? OBVIOUSLY, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE RURAL PARTS OF THE COUNTY, BUT REALLY THE CRUX OF MY QUESTION IS ARE THOSE WHO ARE ASSERTING THESE OPINIONS COMING FROM A LAYMAN'S EXPECTATION, OR A LAYMAN'S UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT IT MEANS TO MOVE IN THAT DIRECTION? OR ARE WE TALKING Ú UNDERSTANDING OF HOW THESE PIECES FIT? TO COMMISSIONER BURKS POINT , WE DO HAVE A VOID, AND THERE'S A CROSS-SECTION OF OUR COMMUNITY THAT NEEDS AFFORDABLE HOUSING, BUT THERE'S NOT A GENERAL UNDERSTANDING OF HOW TO MEET THAT NEED, THEN THERE'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE PUSHED BACK WHERE NEED NEEDS TO BE MET. SOME WONDERING, WHAT WAS THE MAKEUP OF YOUR GROUP? >> WELL, OBVIOUSLY THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY, OTHER PLANNERS, DEVELOPERS, PROFESSIONALS IN THE FIELD, CONSULTANTS , I CAN SAY, BUT CITIZENS I CAN'T SAY. WE HAD SEVERAL THAT TRIED TO GO THROUGH SOME SORT OF PROCESS FOR PUTTING SOMETHING OF THE PROBABLY, OR SOME UTILIZATION OF THE CODE, OR OTHERS WHO HAVE NEVER FULLY USE THE ZONING CODE. SO YEAH, THERE COULD BE AN EDUCATIONAL COMPONENT THAT WOULD BE NECESSARY TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE IS SOME SORT OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING LANGUAGE THAT DOES END UP GETTING ADDED TO THE CODE THAT'S REALLY ROLLED OUT SO THAT THERE'S A GOOD UNDERSTANDING FOR THOSE PEOPLE WHO AREN'T IN FIELD, AND WORKING WITH THESE TERMS EVERY DAY. >> YES, AND I THINK THE EDUCATIONAL PART OF IT IS SO BIG BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S ALWAYS -- IT SEEMS LIKE THERE IS ALWAYS THE FACT THAT NOBODY WASN'T NEXT DOOR TO THEM. AND YOU HEAR A LOT OF PEOPLE LIKE OKAY, THERE'S LOW INCOME HOUSING COMING RIGHT THERE. SO I THINK PEOPLE DON'T REALLY UNDERSTAND IT CAN ACTUALLY BE A NICE AREA IN THESE DEVELOPMENTS, AND A LOT OF TIMES PEOPLE TAKE GOOD CARE OF THEM. YOU KNOW, AND WE NEED THEM SO MUCH. YEAH, SO I THINK EDUCATION IS A BIG DEAL WHENEVER WE ARE TALKING ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING. >> SO WE'VE GOT TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO GET IT OUT THERE SOMEHOW. >> WHERE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THE SLIDES ? >> I JUST WANT TO MAKE A COMMON IN GENERAL. THE DEVELOPER UNDERSTANDS IS A LOT BETTER SINCE THE SUCCESS OF HIS BUSINESS IS PREDICATED ON THOSE REQUIREMENTS. SO GENERAL, THEY UNDERSTAND A LOT BETTER. IT IS A PROBLEM , NATIONWIDE -- DEFINITIONS WE TALK ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING, AND WE MENTIONED LOW INCOME HOUSING. AFFORDABILITY IS ACROSS A WHOLE SPECTRUM. [00:20:02] >> ALL THE HOUSES THAT ARE FILLED ARE AFFORDABLE TO SOMEONE. THE QUESTION IS DO WE HAVE THE RIGHT AFFORDABILITY FOR THE RIGHT POPULATION? AND YOUR DEVELOPER STUDIED THIS ALL THE TIME, THEIR SUCCESS OF THEIR BUSINESSES DEPENDED ON IT. SO AS FAR AS THE PUBLIC, YOU MAY HAVE AN EXPERT IN THE FIELD, AND THEIR VOICE IS NOT HEARD. >> I THINK ANOTHER THING THIS WOULD MENTIONED ALREADY, HOURS IS WHAT IS THE DEFINITION OF AFFORDABILITY? I GUARANTEE, IF YOU ASK ALL FOUR OF US, WE WILL GIVE YOU A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE ON AFFORDABLE HOUSING. SO WE MAY NOT EVEN BE ABLE TO AGREE ON WHAT AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS TO THE AVERAGE CITIZEN. WE CAN MAKE AN EDUCATED DECISION ON THAT, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THEY KNOW. WE DON'T CERTAINLY KNOW. THERE'S SO MANY DIFFERENT AVENUES THAT WE MOVE FORWARD. IN SOME OF THESE CASES, BECAUSE SOME OF THE SAME THING WITH THE CATEGORIES HERE. THEY ARE LIVING IN IDENTITY AREA, AND THINKING WILL, GOSH WE CAN'T AFFORD TO PUT ONE MORE THING IN HERE, BECAUSE WERE GOING TO BREAK THAT AREA, BECAUSE WE CAN'T AFFORD ANOTHER BIG BOX STORE, OR ANOTHER STORAGE FACILITY, OR THAT'S WHAT ARE THE THINGS THAT SURPRISS ME. I THOUGHT YOU'RE TALKING IN RURAL AREAS OR LOW DENSITY, CITIZENS DO NOT WANT OUT DOOR STORAGE AND THAT IS VERSUS THE THOUGHT I HAD GOING INTO IT. I FIND IT INTERESTING WHEN YOU ASK A LARGE GROUP OF PEOPLE FOR THEIR INPUT, HOW IT COMES OUT. THAT'S WHY WOULD LIKE TO SEE LITTLE BIT MORE PEOPLE ABOUT THE PEOPLE THAT WERE GIVING US THAT INFORMATION. >> AND WE COULD BOTH OF THOSE EMPIRICS , YOU SAID WOULD HAVE A SUMMARY, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE WHAT SOME OF THE RAW RESPONSES ARE. I THINK WE'VE ALL SAID THE SAME THING, MY CONCERN IS MORE OF THE UNFOUNDED CONCEPTIONS ABOUT SOME OF THESE IDEAS. THEY ARE LARGE OR BIG IDEAS AS IT RELATES TO DIFFERENT THINGS THAT THE COMMUNITY IS GOING TO BE NEEDING TO FACE IN TERMS OF DEVELOPMENT, AND SO I'M JUST CURIOUS TO KNOW WHAT THOSE PERCEPTIONS ARE, SO THAT IF THERE IS THIS EDUCATIONAL PIECE THAT NEEDS TO TAKE PLACE, THAT WE ARE COMING FROM A PLACE OF UNDERSTANDING WHAT THEIR CONCERNS ARE, AND WHAT THEIR THOUGHTS ARE? SOMETIMES, SOMETIMES, YOU ARE NOT GOING TO HAVE THE HEART AND MIND TO WANT TO UNDERSTAND, BUT THERE ARE THOSE WHO WOULD WANT TO JUST EXPAND THEIR UNDERSTANDING OF THOSE THINGS SO THAT THE NEEDS CAN BE MET. THAT'S MY PRIMARY FOCUS. THE NEED THAT NEEDS TO BE MET. AND WE WANT TO PARTNER WITH THE COMMUNITY TO REACH THOSE GOALS. IF THEY DON'T KNOW, OR WE DON'T KNOW, THEN WE CAN'T ADDRESS IT. YEAH, AND SO AGAIN, A LOT FOR THIS THE RESULTS OF THIS WERE AGAIN, FROM OCTOBER, SO THIS WAS REALLY KIND OF THAT FIRST STEP, AND THAT FIRST OPPORTUNITY THAT WE HAD TO GET ANY FEEDBACK FROM THE PUBLIC FROM THIS OR TO GIVE US ANY IDEA OF THE DIRECTION WE WANTED TO GO, AND IF THERE WERE SOME REAL DRAMATIC CHANGES THAT NEEDED TO BE MADE OR ISSUES THAT NEED TO BE PURSUED, SO IT WASN'T MEANT TO BE THIS COMPREHENSIVE UNDERSTANDING OF ALL THE CHANGES WE ARE MAKING, WAS OF COURSE, JUST TO GIVE US A LITTLE BIT OF A GUIDING DIRECTION ABOUT HOW WE VIEW INDISCERNIBLE ]. ERICA WILL TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE SCHEDULE COMING UP, AN ADDITIONAL OPPORTUNITIES FOR STAYING ENGAGED WITH THE COMMUNITY AND SOME FEEDBACK. >> AND OF COURSE, WE ARE LIMITED BY HOW MANY PEOPLE SHOW UP, TOO. WE ALWAYS GET A LOT OF PARTICIPATION. SO IT WOULD BE NICE TO HEAR FROM ALL THE DIFFERENT DISTRICTS, BUT , IT WAS INTERESTING . >> IT WAS INTERESTING, TO COME ALL THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE SHOWING UP FOR THE WORKSHOP YESTERDAY, WERE NOT AT THE WORKSHOPS IN OCTOBER. SO THEY ARE DIFFERENT PEOPLE. >> AND THEN, THIS SLIDE HERE ARE SOME OVERALL COMMENTS THAT WE HAD HEARD THROUGHOUT THOSE DISCUSSIONS AND FEEDBACK THAT WE HAD GOTTEN . I WOULD SAY THAT A LOT OF THESE ARE GEARED TOWARD ALL ARTICLES OF THE CODE, SO THE ONES PARTICULARLY A PARCEL SIZE AND DENSITY LANGUAGE, THOSE ARE WHERE WE ARE LOOKING AT UNDER GRADE REQUIREMENTS, BE STREET BUFFERS, AND UNDER ZONES, [00:25:14] THEY ARE ARTICLES OF THE CODE, BUT THIS IS ALL FEEDBACK WE RECEIVED THAT WE'VE PASSED ON TO COUNTY STAFF, AND THEY ARE LOOKING AT SEEING WAYS THAT THEY CAN MAKE ACCOMMODATIONS AND CHANGING THESE OTHER SECTIONS. SO THIS IS FEEDBACK THAT WE'VE GOTTEN THAT IS NOT LOST. IT'S JUST NOT MOSTLY PART OF WHAT WE ARE WORKING ON WITH ARTICLE 3, BUT IT IS ALL FEEDBACK THAT WE'VE HEARD AND DOCUMENTED AND HOPEFULLY WILL BE PART OF SOME PROVISIONS AND UPDATES. >> A PARTICULAR INTEREST IN AIRPORT SAFETY. WHAT ARTICLE IS THAT? >> SO RIGHT NOW, STAFF IS CURRENTLY WORKING WITH ANOTHER FACILITY ON DRAFTING AND AIRPARK ORDINANCE THAT'S GOING TO BE INCORPORATED INTO ARTICLE 3. >> IS CAN BE INCORPORATED IN ARTICLE 3 YES, THAT'S GOOD ANSWER. >> WERE THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON THE OUTREACH? BEFORE WE TURN NOW, TO ERICA TO TALK THROUGH KIND OF THE OUTLINE OF THE CHANGES THAT WILL BE IN ARTICLE 3? >> I DO HAVE A COMMENT. YOU CAN SEE THE DISCUSSION FROM THE COMMISSION BOARD TODAY, HAS CENTERED AROUND DEFINITIONS, AND GOING BACK TO THE PREVIOUS DISCUSSION ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING, AND IF WE HAVE QUESTIONS, ANOTHER PUBLIC ASK QUESTIONS. AND THE CHAIRMAN OF THE REGIONAL COUNCILS AFFORDABLE HOUSING COMMITTEE, THE NATION HAS QUESTIONS. SO IF WE DON'T ATTEMPT TO CLARIFY IT WILL ALWAYS BE WONDERING IN THE DARK THIS. IS THERE ANY ATTEMPT , OR ANY ABILITY FROM WGI TO HELP US CREATE THE THREAT WAY AHEAD IN AFFORDABLE HOUSING. WHAT IS IT MEAN? ÷IT'S ALL A MATTER OF RESEARCH, AND THE BEST PRACTICES NATIONWIDE TO COME UP WITH THE BEST SOLUTIONS. SO I DON'T WANT TO ENDEAR YOU TO A TASK BEFORE WE GO FURTHER AND CREATE FURTHER MISCONCEPTIONS TO CREATE CLARITY, EVEN IF IT'S ALL IN OUR OWN MINDS, BECAUSE I'M TELLING YOU, THE REST OF THE NATION HASN'T FIGURED IT OUT , EITHER. MAYBE WE CAN BE AN INDUSTRY LEADER IN THIS REGARD. MAYBE IT'S A TOUGH SUBJECT TO GET HER HANDS AROUND, AND MAYBE THERE ARE A LOT OF MISCONCEPTIONS. I DON'T LIKE THAT. BUT YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT YOU DON'T LIKE. SO, I'D LIKE TO LOOK AT THAT AND IF YOU CAN PROVIDE CLARITY, THAT WOULD BE GREAT. >> ABSOLUTELY. AND ONE THING I DID RIGHT DOWN IN MY NOTES REALLY QUICK,,,'S ARTICLE ONE WHERE YOU HAVE YOUR DEFINITIONS. SO I'D LIKE THAT A IF THE TERM AFFORDABLE HOUSING HAS BEEN DEFINED. BECAUSE THAT IS SOMETHING WE CAN APPROPRIATE. >> ALL RIGHT, SO MOVING INTO ARTICLE 3. SO WE ARE CURRENTLY WORKING WITH STAFF TO PROVIDE A CONSOLIDATED DRAFT OF THIS ARTICLE. THIS IS THE CURRENT LAYOUT THAT WE HAVE. THESE ARE THE TIME COMPONENTS OF THAT ARTICLE. SO MOVING INTO PART A, THIS IS OUR GENERAL PROVISIONS. AND, FROM THE LAST TIME THAT WE CAME, AND WE KIND OF REVIEWED OUR PROGRESS, A LOT OF YOU ARE GOING TO SEE IS FAIRLY THE SAME WITH A LITTLE BIT MORE DESCRIPTIVE NESTS IN WHAT WE HAVE PROVIDED SO FAR. SO SOME OF THOSE CHANGES INCLUDE CONSOLIDATING AND SIMPLIFYING THE CODE LANGUAGE, WHICH IS SOMETHING WE HAVE DONE WITHOUT, BUT PROVIDING GRAPHICS TO ILLUSTRATE HOW TO MEASURE CERTAIN DISTRICT BOUNDARIES, SEPARATION BETWEEN USES, SETBACKS, AND WE HAVE ALSO ADDED SOME ADDITIONAL LANGUAGE ON IF YOU HAVE A PARCEL WITH TWO DIFFERENT ZONING'S, HOW DO YOU DETERMINE WHICH IS WHICH? AND THEN , WE'VE ADDED A HYPERLINK TO A COUNTIES VOTED MAP WHERE NEEDED. WE'VE ALSO TABULAR ICED GERM ZONING DISTRICTS AND MASTER-PLANNED COMMUNITY AND PROVIDED HYPERLINKS TO THOSE SPECIFIC SESSIONS. AND WE'VE ALSO CLARIFIED WHO IS GOING TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR INTERPRETING THE CODE WHICH IS YOUR DRC. THIS IS OUR NONCONFORMITY SECTION HERE IN PART BE. WE ULTIMATELY PROVIDED LANGUAGE TO PROVIDE YOUR TEXT TO SITE [00:30:05] NONCONFORMITY. WE'VE ALSO ADDED SOME METHODOLOGY TO DETERMINE THE REPLACEMENT VALUE WHEN IT COMES TO EXISTING RATES. >> GOING TO PART C, THIS IS A BULK CHAPTER, AND THIS IS WHERE WE START TO TALK ABOUT FUTURE LAND USE, AND INTENSITY BROKE BONUS PROGRAMS. FIRST AND FOREMOST, WE WANTED TO ESTABLISH A TERROR ORGANIZATION BETWEEN YOUR FUTURE LAND USE, WHICH RANGES IN LOW TO HIGH INTENSITY. IN CONSOLIDATING THE TERM DENSITY INTENSITY, TO MAKE IT EASIER FOR THE READER THAT WILL BE DEFINED NOW IN SECTION 18 IN OUR CODE. WE CLARIFIED SOME DIFFERENCES BETWEEN YOUR STANDARD DISTRICT VERSUS YOUR PLAN COMMUNITY DISTRICT. AS WELL AS PROVIDING GENERAL CONSISTENCY WITH A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN INCLUDING MATCHING THE ACRONYMS AND SPECIFIC LANGUAGE TO DEFINE FUTURE LAND-USE AREAS. WE'VE ADDED SOME REFERENCES TO CHAPTER D WHICH WE WILL TALK ABOUT LATER. THE ZONING DISTRICT, AND THE DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS CHAPTER WHICH GOES INTO MUCH MORE DETAIL AS FAR AS WHAT'S GOING ON IN THOSE ZONING DISTRICTS. AND THEN, WE HAVE TAKEN THE DENSITY BONUS PROGRAMS FROM THE MASTER-PLANNED COMMUNITIES, AND THEN CONSOLIDATED THOSE AND PUT IT INTO THIS PART. AND THEN ANOTHER LARGE TABLE HAS GONE IN THAT IS SHOWN THE CONSISTENCY BETWEEN YOUR ZONING DISTRICTS AND FUTURE LAND JURORS WHICH BEFORE WAS IN A PARAGRAPH FORMAT. SO NOW THIS IS GOING TO BE A LOT MORE USER-FRIENDLY AND EASY TO UNDERSTAND. OKAY. SO THIS IS PART D. AGAIN, THIS IS TALKING ABOUT YOUR ZONING DISTRICT, DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS, WHICH ARE GOING INTO REQUIREMENTS, MINIMUM SIZES, AND YOUR INTENSITY. AND WHAT WE'VE DONE IS ANY STANDARDS THAT ARE PERTINENT TO MASTER-PLANNED COMMUNITIES ARE LOCATED IN SEPARATE DIVISIONS, AND NOW INCORPORATED IN ARTICLE 3. AND THEN WE HAVE WENT THROUGH ALL OF THE MASTER PLANS, AND COMPARED THE TWO THERE WAS A LOT OF REDUNDANT TAX THAT BOTH RELATED TO EACH MASTER-PLANNED AREAS, SO WHAT WE WANTED TO DO WAS KIND OF CREATED GENERAL STANDARD FOR THOSE MASTER PLANS, AND THEN ANY SPECIFIC REGULATIONS PERTAINING TO AGE WOULD THEN BE SEPARATED OUT. AND THEN OVERALL AGAIN, RECOGNIZING, CONSOLIDATING AND TABULAR RISING ALL OF THE SPECIFIC USES. >> SO PART E , THIS IS WHERE WE START TO TALK ABOUT THE DIFFERENT USE PERMITS IN THE COUNTY AND THE REGULATIONS FOR EACH. SO THE BOX ON THE RIGHT IS JUST A VERY QUICK SIMPLE DRAFT OF WHAT A TEMPLATE IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE. WE'VE CREATED A STANDARDIZED TEMPLATE FOR EACH OF THE USES THAT WILL CONTAIN A DESCRIPTION OF THE USE EMMA AND USE THAT MAY BE ASSOCIATED WITH THAT. WE'VE DONE ACCOUNT 10 FOR CONSOLIDATING, THE USES IN THE CODE AND THEN APPLIED SOME ADDITIONAL STANDARDS WHERE NEEDED. FOR THOSE SPECIAL USES. ANOTHER THING WE WANTED SEPARATE ACCESSORY USE SECTION. SO YOU HAVE PRINCIPAL USES, AND IF THERE ARE ACCESSORY USES ACHES ASSOCIATED WITH THAT, THEY ARE NOT BEING IN A CHANGE WITH EACH OTHER. THEN WE'VE TABBED ALL OF THESE DIMENSIONS STANDARDS. >> ONE OTHER THING I WANTED TO TOUCH ON, WHAT ANGELA WAS SAYING PRIOR ABOUT WHERE OUR PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT FOR OCTOBER'S GOING TO PLAY IN, SO THIS PART E IS WHERE WE ARE GOING TO CREATE THAT USE MATRIX THAT SHOWS WHERE YOUR USES ARE PERMITTED IN THE COUNTY. >> SO THAT INFORMATION, ONCE WE START TO CREATE THIS USE MATRIX IS WHERE THAT'S GOING TO PLAY INTO WHERE CERTAIN USES ARE ALLOWED IN THE COUNTY, AND IF THEY ARE GOING TO BE BY SPECIAL SECTION, AND OPERATOR APPLIED. SO THAT IS WHERE THIS ALL TIES TOGETHER. >> AND THIS IS OUR LAST PART. SO PUBLIC FACILITIES AND TECHNICAL STANDARDS. SO WE HAVE CONSOLIDATED WHAT I WILL REFER TO AS APF INTO THIS PART . ALSO THE MASTER-PLANNED COMMUNITY DESIGNED REQUIREMENTS. ONE THING WE [00:35:03] WANTED TO ADD, WAS IF YOU HAVE A CONDITIONAL DEVELOPMENT APPLICATION COME IN, THAT DOESN'T MEET THE DESIGN NEEDS OF THE COUNTY, THE STAFF CAN NOW CONDITIONALLY APPLY THOSE DESIGN STANDARDS FOR MASTER PLANS TO THOSE STANDARD DEVELOPMENT APPLICATIONS WHERE NEEDED . THAT WAY WE ARE GETTING THE LOOK AND FEEL THAT WE DESIRE. AND THEN, WE HAVE ALSO ADDED YOUR APPLICATION SUBMISSION STANDARDS INTO THIS PART. AND MAINLY THIS PART, WILL AT THE END CONTAIN ALL THIS INFORMATION, BUT WE'VE ALSO USED IT TO HOUSE SOME OF THOSE STANDARDS THAT MIGHT NOT NECESSARILY BELONG THERE AT THE TIME. BUT WE ARE PUTTING IT ALL INTO ONE SPOT SO THAT IS READY TO LEAD QUOTE FOR THOSE SUBMISSIONS FOR APPLICATION TWO. THEY SHOULD BE, FOR EXAMPLE, LANDSCAPING CLIMATES WOULD GO TO ARCTIC EIGHT SIX. SO, ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ? DO I NEED TO BACK UP ON ANY OF THE SLIDES? >> SO PARTY, I MIGHT'VE MISSED IT IF YOU MADE MENTION OF YOU SAID THE DENSITY WOULD REFER TO INTENSITY. A CENTER TREND THAT YOU'RE SAYING, WAS THAT GOING TO CAUSE A LOT OF CONFUSION? >> WELL THE TERM IS USED INTERCHANGEABLY AND CAN CREATE SOME CONFUSION. SO, BECAUSE A LOT OF YOUR RESIDENTIAL DENSITY T IS ALLOWED IN THOSE NONRESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS COME IN SECTION 115, THAT DEFINITION SECTION, WE DESCRIBE DENSITY BEING PART OF INTENSITY. SO THAT WAY WE ARE USING ONE STANDARD TERM. THAT IS NOT TO SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, RESIDENTIAL DENSITY IS GOING TO BE DEFINED BY FLOOR TO AREA RATIO, FOR EXAMPLE. WE JUST CREATED THE STANDARD TERM JUST FOR THE SAKE OF HAVING SOME MORE CONSISTENCY. I THINK THIS IS MORE OF A STANDARD PRACTICE. AND THEN, I'M NOT SURE IF THIS IS A QUESTION FOR YOU, OR FOR ANGELA, BUT I WAS CURIOUS TO KNOW. IF WE -- SO YOU SAID, TO GO WITH YOU WHO SAID, THE USE MATRIX WOULD INCORPORATE THE CONVERSATIONS HAD WITH THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, IS RELATIVE TO CITIZENS IN THE COMMUNITY. DID WE ADDRESS THIS TIME THE CONCERNS FOR MISAPPLICATION? I THINK THIS SLIDE, THE LAST SLIDE OF MISS ANGELA'S PRESENTATION, MUST HAVE MISSED THAT. BUT THE SUPPLIED LANGUAGE WAS LISTED ON THAT SIDE, THERE WERE SPECIFIC REQUESTS TO SPECIFY DRAINAGE QUESTIONS , SO THE ALL GETS INCORPORATED WHERE? >> SO A LOT OF THOSE COMMENTS ACTUALLY PERTAIN TO OTHER ARTICLES OF THE CODE THAT STAFF IS CURRENTLY WORKING ON. SO WE REALLY HAVE A HANDLE OVER JUST ARTICLE 3 AND SEVEN. BUT WHERE WE DID RECEIVE THOSE COMMENTS, WE HAVE COMMUNICATED IT TO STAFF SO THAT WE CAN LOOK INTO THAT AS THEY ARE FIELDING THE OTHER ARTICLES IN MAKING THOSE UPDATES. >> COMET, COMMISSIONER COMPARES THE INTENSITY, DENSITY, ISSUES IS CONFUSING TO ME. >> THOSE TWO DIFFERENT TERMS MEAN THE SAME THING, I THINK. >> IT'S TECHNICALLY THE SAME, BUT YET, IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE BROUGHT UP, AND WE JUST DECIDED ON IT. >> I THINK WE NEED TO RETHINK THAT. >> MAYBE I'M ON THE WRONG PAGE. >> NO, WE CAN DEFINITELY LOOK BACK TO IT. >> ABSOLUTELY. >> IT'S GOING TO CONFUSE THREE OR FOUR OF US APPEAR. >> THIS IS CLARIFY AND MAKE IT EASIER TO INTERPRET THE CODE, AND FURTHER USE OF SOMETHING THAT CONFUSES PEOPLE, DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO CONTINUE DOWN THAT ROAD. >> SO DENSITY IS VERY SPECIFIC TO RESIDENTIAL USES, AND INTENSITY GENERALLY REFERS TO COMMERCIAL USES. THROUGHOUT THE CODE, IT'S MOSTLY CALLED INTENSITY BUT IN AND NONRESIDENTIAL DISICK IT'S NOT ALLOWED. SO DENSITY IS AN OVERALL TERM FOR INTENSITY. SO DENSITY IS BEING USED STILL, AS A COMMON TERM, IT'S JUST WE ARE DEFINING THAT PART OF INTENSITY THAT IS DENSITY. >> SO I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. [00:40:04] >> I DO. >> DID THAT MAKE IT WORSE? >> ESSENTIALLY MY QUESTION IS THEN, WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IS ONLY GOING IN THE DEFINITION SECTION? >> I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. INTENSITY FOR COMMERCIAL, DENSITY FOR RESIDENTIAL, BECAUSE THERE ARE OVERLAPS WITH COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL, SOMETIMES UNIQUE, BUT THE INDUSTRIES ARE GOING TO UNDERSTAND DENSITY FOR RESIDENTIAL, AND INTENSITY FOR COMMERCIAL? IS THAT RIGHT? >> SO IT'S REALLY NOT THAT CONFUSING. OKAY. >> YOU ARE DONE WITH THE PRESENTATION? >> ALMOST. >> ALL RIGHT, SO, JUST THE LAUGHED SIDE IS OUR DATES TENTATIVELY FOR WHAT WE HAVE COME UP WITH. WE ARE LOOKING AT CONSOLIDATING ALL THE PARTS ARE STAFF, SO YOU SHOULD BE SEEING IT SOON AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY INCLUDING THE CITIZENS, DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY, AND YOURSELVES, HAVE ENOUGH TIME TO REVIEW AND SEE THOSE PROPOSED TEXT CHANGES. THE STATES ARE TIMID TO. THIS IS WHAT WE ARE SHOOTING FOR, NOW. >> I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE APRIL 3RD VISITATION TO DEVELOPERS AND CITIZENS, AND 10:00 THE NEXT MORNING, PRESENTING THAT TO US. I'M NOT SURE THERE IS ENOUGH TIME FOR THEM, OR ME TO DIGEST WHAT THEY MAY HAVE RECOMMENDED THE EVENING BEFORE. >> OKAY, SO YOU WOULD PREFER MAYBE A LITTLE LAPSE , SO THAT THAT WAY YOU CAN HEAR SOME OF THE FEEDBACK PRIOR? >> THAT MAKES SENSE. >> OKAY. >> ALL RIGHT. >> HAVE A QUESTION. AND IT DEALS AROUND, AND I MAY BE TOTALLY OFF BASE AS TO WHERE SHOULD GO, BUT WE HAVE INTERSTATE ZONES, IN ORANGE PARK BECAUSE IT BORDERS THE 295 INTERSTATE. AND I WAS JUST EDUCATED ABOUT ORANGE PARK ACTIVITY CENTER , SO DID THEY BELONG IN THE CODE OR THE SPECIAL DESIGNATED PORTIONS OF THE COUNTY? I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY THERE ARE. BUT DO THEY BELONG IN THE CODE? DOES ANYBODY KNOW? YOU'RE RIGHT, WE HAVE MANY OF THEM. ARE THEY DEFINED IN THE CODE? THEY ARE? OKAY, I'M NOT SURE. I KNOW I DON'T KNOW ALL THE SPECIAL CATEGORY DEVELOPMENT AREAS. WE HAVE VILLAGE CENTERS, AND WE ARE GOING TO INCORPORATE THEM. -- ANYWAY -- MORE AT 11-:00 . >> YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS, >> NO, I DON'T KNOW . >> NEVERMIND. >> I DON'T KNOW IF THAT FITS INTO THIS, BUT THE THING I SEEM TO HAVE STRUGGLED WITH FOR A WHILE IS WHENEVER I'M LOOKING AT ZONING INTENSITY, AND DEALING WITH A DIFFERENT DEVELOPMENT, SO WE'VE SEEN FROM THE GOVERNMENT COMMISSIONER AND STAFF WOULD SAY TO ME THAT THE INFRASTRUCTURE DOES SUPPORT IT, BECAUSE THAT WAS WHAT WAS SAID YEARS AGO, WHENEVER THE PLANS WERE MADE. I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT. BECAUSE CLEARLY OUR INFRASTRUCTURES NOT SUPPORTING WHAT WE HAVE NOW, AND THAT IS SOMETHING WE ARE ALL THE TIME. SO I DON'T OF THAT FITS INTO THIS BUT IT'S JUST SOMETHING I STRUGGLE WITH. DO YOU KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT? >> DOES THAT MAKE SENSE AT ALL? >> BECAUSE LIKE, WE WERE LOOKING AT A DEVELPMENT COMMAND WE HAD TO -- IT WAS ONE ON 220, AND I SAID WE WANT TO INCREASE DENSITY, OF COURSE, AND I SAID, HOW AND I THINK IT WAS CHARISSE TOLD ME THAT AT THAT POINT THAT THE INFRASTRUCTURE DID SUPPORT BECAUSE THAT WAS IN THE PLAN FROM YEARS AGO IN OUR CODE. BUT YET, WE ALWAYS ARE HEARING OUR INFRASTRUCTURE DOESN'T SUPPORT WHAT WE HAVE COMING IN. SO IT WAS ALREADY IN THE PLAN, [00:45:01] BUT YET, WE DON'T SEE WE SEE WEIRD CONSTANTLY TOLD TOO MUCH TRAFFIC, TOO MUCH COMING IN. SO THAT'S WHERE IT JUST SEEMS LIKE THERE IS A GAP THERE WHERE IT'S NOT REALLY ACCURATE TO ME. SO. I WOULDN'T HAVE A SPECIFIC ANSWER FOR YOU AT THE TIME. I'D HAVE TO LOOK MORE INTO IT. I DO KNOW IN PART I THINK WITH PUBLIX PUBLIC FACILITY SECTION, I THINK WE CAN LOOK INTO THAT FURTHER, BUT I THINK YOU WOULD NEED TO TALK TO STAFF ON THAT COMMON KIND OF REEVALUATE SOME OF THOSE REQUIREMENTS. >> OKAY. ALL RIGHT. I PROBABLY CONFUSING EVERYBODY IN THE WAY AND SAYING IT. SO I PROBABLY HAVE TO RETHINK THAT. >> NO, THAT MAKES SENSE. I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. >> YES. >> RIGHT. THAT IS WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR , AT LEAST. >> ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, CONCERNS? [2.  Full - Group Session Discussion and Questions] SING THEN, WE WILL MOVE ON TO -- THAT WAS ALL BUSINESS, WE ARE MOVING ONTO NEW BUSINESS. >> I GUESS THAT'S WHAT WE ARE DOING HERE, NOW. >> WE CAN DISCUSS ANY OF THE QUESTIONS, AND I WILL OPEN UP TO THE PUBLIC. ANY OF THE PUBLIC HAVE A QUESTION OR COMMENT? >> IF YOU COULD FILL OUT A CARD WHEN YOU GET HERE. >> YES HER PEERS >> I AM THE LAYMAN YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT EARLIER. AND I LIKE THE FULL TRANSPARENCY OF WHAT Y'ALL DO. A COUPLE OF THINGS FROM MY PERSPECTIVE. WHEN IT COMES TO PLANNING, ESPECIALLY FUTURE PLANNING, I THINK THINGS I'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN AND PLANNING. WE ALWAYS LOOK AT WHERE WE WERE, AND WHERE WE ARE GOING. AND I THINK YOU HAD A GOOD -- COMMISSIONER BURKE WAS TRYING TO INCLUDE, AND I WILL TRY TO GO AROUND, IS THAT , WE SEE THE EFFECTS OF NOT FOLLOWING OUR PREVIOUS PLANNING, WHERE WE ARE HEADED. SO I'M GOING TO ASK THAT YOU PEOPLE FROM WGI LAST NIGHT, WE LOOK AT THE PLAN WE HAD, DO WE DO A POST MOTOR HIM ON THAT PLAN? IT COMES TO FRUITION PRETTY QUICKLY WHEN YOU REALIZE, YOU KNOW, WE HAD A PLAN AND I THINK SOME PEOPLE WILL PRETTY SMART ABOUT MAKING A PLAN IN THE PAST AND FOLOWING THAT PLAN, AND DID WE FALL SHORT? OR DID WE EXECUTE WELL. SO HERE WE ARE TODAY, NUMBING, I THINK THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT WHEN WE CAME UP WITH A PLAN 2000 AND SAW WHAT WAS GOING ON, AND SAW WHAT WAS GOING ON IN EAGLE HARBOR, WE SAW THE DEVELOPMENT, DID WE FOLLOW THE PLAN, DO WE FALL SHORT? NUMBER TWO. ARE WE LEVERAGING THE COUNTIES ACCESS, IS ESSAY COUNTY PROBLEM, STATE PROBLEM, THESE ARE ALL COMMENTS YOU GUYS HAVE HAD, AND I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO LOOK AT ALL THOSE THINGS COLLECTIVELY. AND THEN THE FINAL THING I WANTED TO STATE WAS ANYTIME YOU'RE DOING SAMPLING, YOU GUYS TALK ABOUT WE AS CITIZENS PARTICIPATING IN OCTOBER, LAST NIGHT, THESE SAMPLE SIZES ARE MINUTE COMPARED TO THE COUNTY. I MEAN IT IS. IT IS. IF YOU TOOK THE NUMBERS, AND I DON'T KNOW WHO YOU HAD IN OCTOBER, I WASN'T HERE. IF YOU LOOK AT THAT NUMBER COMPARED TO THE COUNTY PEOPLE INVOLVED IN THE COMMUNITY, THE STATISTICS WOULD BE THROWN OUT IMMEDIATELY, BECAUSE THEY WOULD HAVE NO STANDARD DEVIATION THERE. THERE'S NO ABILITY TO DETERMINE WHETHER YOU HAVE A STANDARD CURVE, DO YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? IF YOU UNDERSTAND STATISTICS, AT ALL. I THINK THERE'S A COUPLE OF THINGS YOU ARE MINCING. YOU NEED TO INCREASE THE SAMPLE SIZE. YOU GOT THIS PLANNING COMMITTEE COMING UP NOW, GET THIS OUT TO THE PUBLIC IS COMING AS YOU CAN. I DON'T KNOW WHAT MEAN THERE IS TO GET IT OUT THERE, BUT IF YOU HAVE THE COMMUNITY BUYING IN, THAT'S WHY I'M HERE. I'M TRYING TO GET SMART AND INVOLVED WHAT WHAT YOU ALL ARE DOING. I WANT TO BE PART OF THE SOLUTION, NOT THE PROBLEM. NUMBER ONE, DO A CLOSER STUDY ON YOUR PREVIOUS PLAN, LEVERAGE THE PLANS OF OTHER COUNTIES AROUND US THAT A BEEN SUCCESSFUL. I THINK OF ST. JOHN'S COUNTY, SPECIFICALLY. THEY'VE HAD MASSIVE GROWTH OVER A FEW YEARS, HOW DID THEY MANAGE THIS? AND MAKE SURE WE INCREASE THE SAMPLE SIZE. THANKS. >> THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT. >> THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE THAT WE HAD COME, YOU KNOW, WE STRUGGLE WITH THAT ALL THE TIME. WE ASKED PEOPLE TO COME TO MEETINGS, GET INVOLVED, BUT HOW DO YOU DO THAT? WE [00:50:02] DEFINITELY ADVERTISE, BUT THAT'S ALWAYS A PROBLEM. SO, PEOPLE LIKE Y'ALL, THAT CAN HELP US, YOU KNOW, SPREAD THE WORD IS WONDERFUL. RICHARD, IF YOU COULD FILL OUT A CARD OVER HERE. >> YES, I'VE GOT A COUPLE THINGS THAT I WANT TO GO OVER. >> AND YOU STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. >> IT'S CLEMSON, 1985 TO MACULA DRIVE, MIDDLEBURG. >> I WAS ALSO PART OF THE LARGE CROSS-SECTION OF CITIZENS THAT PARTICIPATED IN THE SURVEY. AND, YOU CAN TELL THEM IT'S WIDE RANGE OF, BECAUSE WE HAD WELL GROOMED, WELL DRESSED PEOPLE, AND THEY HAD NAMES. WE COVERED THE SPECTRUM. LAUGHTER ] THE THING THAT KEEPS COMING UP FOR FUTURE BUILDING, IS AFFORDABILITY. AND AGAIN, AS YOU KNOW AND MENTIONED, NOBODY CAN AGREE ON WHAT IS AFFORDABILITY. WE CANNOT JUST LEAVE IT TO ANYBODY WHO WANTS TO PUBLISH THEIR OWN WILL, BECAUSE WHEN THE CARPETBAGGERS FROM ORLANDO CAME UP AND GOT APPROVAL TO PUT THEIR FLAT APARTMENTS IN AT SANDRIDGE, AND RUSSELL, THE QUESTION WAS ASKED WHAT IS GOING TO BE CHARGING ? AND THE ANSWER WAS WHATEVER THE MARKET WILL BEAR , WHICH IS A CODE WORD FOR WE ARE GOING TO GOUGE EVERY LAST NICKEL OUT OF THEM. ALL RIGHT HERE THAT'S ALREADY DETERMINED. WE CAN'T LEAVE IT UP TO THESE PEOPLE WHICH BRINGS US TO THE NEXT THING OF AFFORDABILITY AROUND THE COUNTRY. IT'S NOT JUST HERE. AGAIN, THERE IS NO DEFINITION. AND I WAS JUST READING IN THE OUTLYING NEWSPAPERS, WITHIN THE LAST TWO DAYS, THAT THEY ARE LOOKING AT BRINGING RENT CONTROL BACK. >> I'M NOT SURE WE WANT RENT CONTROL HERE, BUT WE MAY NEED IT BECAUSE THERE ARE SO MANY DIFFERENT SUBSECTIONS OF CITIZENRY WITH DIFFERENT FINANCES , YOU HAVE THE ELDERLY, AND THE RETIRED, SOCIAL SECURITY RECIPIENTS, PEOPLE WORKING AT LOW-WAGE JOBS TRY TO GET BY, AND YOU KNOW, 1500 BUCKS A MONTH FOR RENT, THAT'S NOT CUTTING IT. THAT'S NOT AFFORDABILITY. AND THE FINAL THING, ALTHOUGH THERE'S MANY MORE, I'VE GOT IS ZONING. AND LAND DEVELOPMENT. ZONING DISTRICTS, AND LAND DEVELOPMENT, SO IF WE ARE GOING TO BE REVISITING ON THIS, I WOULD LIKE TO SUGGEST, AGAIN, I'VE DONE THIS BEFORE IS GOING BACK TO THE ORIGINAL STANDARDS OF MAYBE ONLY TWO HOUSES ON AN ACRE. THE THINGS THAT THEY ARE PUSHING TODAY, YOU KNOW, THE TWO CITIES OF EIGHT AND 10 UNITS PER ACRE, IS JUST RIDICULOUS. THAT'S WHAT'S GOT TO STOP . THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, VERY MUCH. >> ANYONE ELSE? YES SIR, COME ON UP . STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. >> WHOLE THING ABOUT AFFORDABILITY. EVERYBODY TALKS ABOUT IT. MY MOTHER JUST MOVED FROM SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA INTO WILLOW SPRINGS. WE FIRST SAW THE SUN, IT WAS HOUSES FROM THE MID 200S. NOW YOU GO BY THE SUN NOW, AND NOW IT'S HOUSES AT THE MID 300S. SO WHERE'S AFFORDABILITY? NO ONE KNOWS. THE GENTLEMAN HERE, ABOUT IF WE LOOK AT THE OTHER COUNTIES AND PICK UP THE LESSONS LEARNED, LIKE WIKI UP TO GO TO OVERSEAS TO COME BACK, THERE'S LESSONS LEARNED FROM THE PREVIOUS COMMUNITY. MAYBE IF WE LOOK AT LESSONS LEARNED ON THEIR INFRASTRUCTURE WHAT'S GOING ON, AND THE RURAL COMMUNITIES, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A 22 ACRE PARCEL THAT JUST CAME AVAILABLE NEXT DOOR TO ME. AND I GOT MAGNOLIA WEST, WILLOW SPRINGS, AND RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO ME THERE'S CAN BE 20 ACRES AVAILABLE. I'D LIKE TO SEE MAYBE THE FOUNDATION TAKE A PART OF THAT, AND MAKE A CONSERVATION AREA, BUT LIKE YOU SAID, TWO HOUSES PER ACRE WOULD BE SUPER AWESOME. BECAUSE WHAT IS ROLE? I THINK COMING IN SO YOU WANT TO CHANGE OUR CODE SO WE CAN BUILD UP IN WILLOW SPRINGS? THAT'S ALL. THANKS A LOT. [00:55:01] >> THANK YOU. >> YES MA'AM. >> ROBIN SHETLER , 28 906 OAKLAND DRIVE. I WAS JUST WANT TO REITERATE WHAT WAS SAID ABOUT SAMPLE SIZE. THAT'S SUPER IMPORTANT. THE PROBLEM IS WE COME HERE, AND THEREFORE FIVE PEOPLE HERE, PEOPLE WORK . IT'S HARD FOR PEOPLE TO GET TO A MEETING AT 10:00 IN THE MORNING, OR EVEN 6:00 AT NIGHT. SO I THINK MAYBE SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE CONSIDERED IS COMING IN THIS DIGITAL AGE, IS MAYBE WE CAN SEND OUT SURVEYS . MAYBE WE CAN SEND OUT SAMPLES, JUST LIKE WHEN PEOPLE ARE UP FOR ELECTION, YOU SEND OUT A SAMPLE BALLOT, RIGHT? WHY CAN'T WE SEND OUT SOMETHING THAT SAYS, WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THIS? YOU MIGHT GET THAT LARGER SAMPLE SIZE THAT WILL MAKE PEOPLE MUCH MORE AVAILABLE. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU: IF YOU COULD FILL OUT A CARD PLEASE. >> ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION? >> OKAY, I WILL CLOSE THE SECOND PUBLIC COMMENT. I BRING [COMMISSIONERS' COMMENTS] IT BACK TO THE COMMISSION. ANY OF THE FINAL COMMENTS? >> I JUST LIKE TO THANK THE FOLKS WHOSE SPOKE UP HERE THIS MORNING. IT'S A DIFFICULT PROCESS . WE WENT THROUGH THIS BEFORE WHEN WE LOOKED AT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THE REDO SEVERAL YEARS AGO, AND THEY HAD AS MANY OR MORE FORAYS INTO THE COMMUNITY, IN DIFFERENT PLACES, MOSTLY IN THE EVENING, SO IT'S AFTER DINNER TIMES WHERE NOBODY SHOWED UP. SO THIS IS DIFFICULT. TO LET PEOPLE KNOW HOW IMPORTANT IT IS, AND IT'S VERY NATURE OF WHAT THEIR COMMUNITY WILL BE SHAPED BY THE ASSEMBLY OF THE FUTURE. YOU KNOW, WE JUST WENT THROUGH IN NOVEMBER AND ELECTION , SO TO SPEAK, BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY FEDERAL -- WELL WE DID IT FEDERALLY AND GUBERNATORIAL FOR PRESIDENTIAL, BUT WE HAD 39%, OR 38% OF PEOPLE VOTE. THAT'S LETTING PEOPLE VOTE BY MAIL. SO WHEN IT COMES TO SAYING, CAN WE GET YOUR ATTENTION AND SOMETHING WE PUT ON ZONING, MOST PEOPLE GLAZE OVER. THEY EXPECT THINGS TO BE DONE ON A SEAMLESS BASIS IN THEIR LOCAL GOVERNMENT TO CARRY THAT. WE HEARD YOU. WILL TRY TO GET MORE PEOPLE IN, BUT THAT'S A LITTLE DIFFICULT. IN REGARDS TO DOING THINGS THE WAY ST. JOHN'S IS DONE THEM, WHEN I FIRST STARTED SIX YEARS AGO, ANYBODY THAT LIVED IN CLAY COUNTY, WOULD EMULATE WHAT ST. JOHN'S IS DONE. THEY HAVE THEIR OWN PROBLEMS. THEY HAVE HANDLED GROWTH AS WELL AS, AS WELL AS THEY COULD HAVE. THEY JUST TURNED OUT ANOTHER $500 MILLION SALES TAX REFERENDUM BECAUSE THEY NEEDED IT TO BUILD INFRASTRUCTURE. I TALKED TO NUMEROUS COMMISSIONERS AND SOME OF THAT SEER ON THE BOARD OF TALK TO COMMISSIONERS ON THEIR BOARD, AND THEY DON'T KNOW WHERE THE CAN GET THE MONEY, BECAUSE THEY CAN'T KEEP UP WITH THE GROWTH. YOU CAN CERTAINLY LEARN BY LOOKING AND SEEING WHAT OTHER COMMUNITIES OF DONE, BUT I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYBODY THAT'S DONE IT SO WELL THAT WE CAN JUST EMULATE AND FOLLOW THEIR PATH. I THINK WE ARE CREATING OUR OWN IDENTITY AND PATH THAT WILL CONTINUE TO TRY AND DO THE BEST WE CAN WITH THAT. CERTAINLY, NASSAU COUNTY IS GOING THROUGH SOME OF THAT JUST ABOUT NOW. IF YOU LOOK AT THE PERMIT SITUATIONS THAT ARE ISSUED EVERY MONTH, THE BUILDING PERMITS, AND IT COMES DOWN AND THERE'S FOUR COUNTIES THAT ARE LISTED ALL THE TIME, NASSAU COUNTY SHAPE UP ST. JOHN'S COUNTY, IN CLAY COUNTY. LAST MONTH WE WERE THE SAME ABOUT 80 BILLION PERMITS, SAY JOHN WAS THE SAME, THE FACT THAT WE WERE GOING AND IF YOU LOOKED IN THE PAST YEAR, THE AVERAGE HUNDRED AND 30 TO 130 PERMITS, WE HAD 1600 FOR THE YEAR AS COMPARED TO 4000+10 ST. JOHN'S, WAS 5000 AND DEVOL COUNTY. SO WE HAVE GROWTH. CERTAINLY NOT LIKE THEIR GROWTH, BUT I DON'T THINK WE'D BE ABLE TO HANDLE THAT GROWTH, SO NOBODY HERE ON THE BOARD IS LOOKING FOR US TO GET THERE. SO, I THINK WE COULD LEARN SOME THINGS FOR WHAT THEY HAVE DONE, MAYBE WRONG, RATHER THAN RIGHT, BUT IT'S NOT THAT EASY. SO WE WILL CONTINUE TO WORK HARD, WITH THE STAFF THAT WORKS IN THAT AREA, AND OF COURSE WE'VE GOT PARTNERS AT WGI, AND THEY ARE TRYING TO DO [01:00:01] THEIR BEST AND SEE IF WE CAN HELP WITH THE CITIZENS AND THE COMMUNITY THE LAND DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY, AND DO THE RESPONSIBLE THING. SO I FEEL GOOD WHERE WERE GOING. I'M ANXIOUS TO SEE IT, BECAUSE CERTAINLY THERE'S NOT ENOUGH O O EFFORT TO MAKE GOVERNMENTS BEGIN MORE SIMPLER TERMS, AND I THINK THAT SOME OF THE QUESTIONS YOU HAD TODAY POINTED THAT OUT. WE REALLY WANT PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY ARE LOOKING AT IN TERMS OF OUR CODE. >> I WANT TO MAKE A COUPLE OF COMMENTS. AFTER ACTION REPORTS, VERY FAMILIAR WITH THOSE, SPENT SIX YEARS IN THE NAVY DOING THAT. AND JUST TO ADDRESS SOME OF YOUR CONCERNS, YOU KNOW THOUSAND PEOPLE ARE MOVING FROM FLORIDA EVERY DAY. THEY MOVE HERE FOR THE SUNSHINE AND THE SAFETY, AND THE COMMUNITY AND THE LOW TAXES AND SO ON. SO IF WE DON'T WANT THEM TO COME, WE CAN CHANGE THAT. WE CAN HAVE CRAPPY SCHOOLS. NOBODY WANTS THAT. WE CAN HAVE A POLICE FORCE OR SECURITY THAT IS AN EFFECTIVE, SO THEY ARE COMING. AND THEY HAVE KIND OF WENT THROUGH JACKSONVILLE, AND SAINT JOHN'S, THEY ARE COMING TO CLAY COUNTY. SO WE CAN'T STOP THEM. BUT WE CAN PLAN FOR THEM. WE ARE CURRENTLY IN THE PROCESS OF LOOKING AT TRANSPORTATION STUDIES WHICH ARE ALL PUBLIC MEETINGS, AND THEY BEEN HELD IN EVERY FIVE DISTRICTS, AND TO ADDRESS YOUR ATTENDANCE, NOT VERY WELL ATTENDED. THEY WERE AT NIGHT AND SUNDAYS. SO WE ARE TRYING TO SPREAD THE WEALTH THERE. WE JUST HAD A WORKSHOP, PUBLIC WORKSHOP AND CONSERVATION IN CLAY COUNTY. YOU MENTIONED A 22 ACRE PLOT OF LAND THAT'S AVAILABLE. IF WE HAD THE RESOURCES, WE MIGHT BUY IT FOR CONSERVATION. WE CAN'T PRINT MONEY. SO HOW DO YOU GET THE RESOURCES? WE ARE LOOKING AT RESILIENCY STUDIES HERE IN CLAY COUNTY . STORM WATER IS A REAL PROBLEM HERE IN THE COUNTY. THE IMPACT FEES, WHICH IS PASSED AN ORDINANCE TO IMPLEMENT IMPACT FEES TO ADDRESS THE INFRASTRUCTURE CONCERNS FOR THOSE THOUSAND PEOPLE A DAY THAT ARE MOVING TO FLORIDA. THEY CROSSED THE BORDER FROM GEORGIA TO FLORIDA, THEY USUALLY STOP IN DOUGAL COUNTY, THEY USUALLY STOP IN CLAY COUNTY FIRST BEFORE THEY HAD SOUTH, AND THEY MAY STAY A DAY OR TWO. AFFORDABLE HOUSING, WE ARE A MEMBER OF THE -- A NATIONWIDE PROGRAM, THAT IS A MEMBER OF THE REGIONAL COUNSEL, WE HAVE SEVERAL PARTICIPANTS . THERE ARE SEVERAL EFFORTS TO STUDY SOME OF THOSE PROBLEMS TO TRY TO ACCOMMODATE SOLUTIONS TO THESE PROBLEMS. SO, WE ARE ENGAGED. WE ARE ENGAGED. CLAY COUNTY IS ENGAGED, WE ARE STUDYING THIS, WE ARE ADDRESSING THESE ISSUES. AND SO WE ARE NOT IN THE MILITARY. I CANNOT ORDER PEOPLE TO THESE MEETINGS. SO, WE ARE ALL VOLUNTEERS, WE APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENT, BUT WITH HOW MANY PEOPLE DO WE HAVE IN CLAY COUNTY? 238,000 PEOPLE, 248 THOUSAND PEOPLE THERE THE END NUMBERS ARE LOW. LAST NIGHT WE GOT 2000. BUT THE RECOMMENDATION TO GO ONLINE WITH THE SURVEY, BUT YOU KNOW, THOSE RESULTS AREN'T ALWAYS THE GREATEST, EITHER. SO ANYWAY, WE ARE LOOKING AT THAT. BUT WE ARE HAPPY THAT YOU CAME OUT TODAY, AND YOU MADE YOUR COMMENTS AND MADE US AWARE, SO WE DO APPRECIATE YOU ALL SHOWING UP TONIGHT. SO THIS * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.