Dec 06, 2022 Planning Commission

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>>> WELCOME EVERYONE. SORRY WE'RE JUST SLIGHTLY LATE GETTING STARTED HERE. BUT WELCOME TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING FOR CLAY COUNTY, THIS IS DECEMBER 6.

BEFORE WE GETGO ANY OF OUR BUSINESS IF I COULD ASK EVERYONE TO STAND CAN MR. BOURRE WILL LEAD US IN THE PLEDGE.

. >> I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION, UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE WITH

LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. . >>> THANK YOU.

AND WHILE WE'RE IN THAT LITTLE MOMENT JUST WANT TO REMIND EVERYBODY, BECAUSE IT SEEPS TO BE MISSED THESE DAYS, TOMORROW IS PEARL HARBOR DAY. LET'S ALL KEEP THAT IN MIND BECAUSE THAT SEEMS TO HAVE DROPPED OUT OF THE NEWS THESE RECENT YEARS. WILL REMEMBER THE.

OUR FIRST ITEM OF BUSINESS TONIGHT IS USUALLY TO DO SOME INTRODUCTIONS SO I'M RAF RALPH PUCKHABER, THE CHAIR FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION, AND WE'LL START HERE ON MY RIGHT IS COMMISSIONER PETE DAVIS. SO MY IMMEDIATE RIGHT IS OUR VICE SANCTUARY MARY BRIDGMAN. TO MY LEFT IS MICHAEL BOURRE.

NEXT TO HIM JOE ANZALONE AND THEN BILL GARRISON, AND THERE AT THE END IS OUR SCHOOL BOARD REPRESENTATIVE LANCE ADDISON AND WE ALSO HAVE IN THE ROOM A NUMBER OF PEOPLE FROM PLANNING.

WE HAVE BETH CARSON WHO IS OUR CHIEF PLAN PLANNER, SENIOR

PLANNER. >> [INDISCERNIBLE].

>> IS THAT IT? DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF PLANNING AND CHIEF OF ZONING, MIKE BROWN, DOE DID COURTNEY GRIM AND OUR COUNTY ATTORNEY IS HERE, HER ASSISTANT. CHERISE STUART -- THAT JUST MEANS YOU CAN BE ASSIGNED EXTRA WORK.

AND OVER THERE IS ALSO ED LAYMAN WHO IS THE DIRECTOR OF PLANNING.

DID I MISS ANYBODY? AND OF COURSE, WE ALWAYS LIKE TO

THANK OUR -- >> [INDISCERNIBLE] OH.

>> OTHER, WELCOME. SO IF YOU DIDN'T HEAR THAT DAVID MOTES WHO IS PUBLIC SAFETY COUNTY MANAGER AND MR. SMITH WHO S FROM ENGINEERING. AND THANK YOU AS USUAL TO CHRISTINE BLANCHARD FROM THE CLERK'S OFFICE AND WILL TAKE OUR MINUTES FOR US. WE WOULD ALSO LIKE TO THANK THE CLAY COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE FOR PROVIDING -- TONIGHT WE HAVE SERGEANT SUGGEST DUGGAR AND OFFICER LEONARD ARE HERE THIS.

BOARD IS AN ADVISORY BOARD TO THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS. THE ITEMS WE HEAR TONIGHT WE WILL MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT GO TO THE BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS FOR THEIR FINAL ACTION, THIS BEING DECEMBER EVERYTHING WILL BE HANDLED BY THE COUNTY COMMISSION NEXT WEEK, A WEEK FROM TODAY. THEY DON'T HAVE THEIR SECOND MEETING THIS DECEMBER, HIGHWAY #R THEY ONLY HAVE ONE MEETING IN THE DECEMBER, SO THEY WILL TAKE UP THESE SAME ITEMS NEXT WEEK.

JUST QUICK HOUSEKEEPING ITEM IF ANYBODY NEEDS TO TAKE A PHONE CALL WE ASK THAT YOU STEP OUTSIDE AND PUT YOUR PHONES ON VIBRATE WHILE YOU'RE IN HERE. AND I DID HEAR SOME PEOPLE COME IN AND SAY THEY WEREN'T FAMILIAR WITH OUR PROCEDURE HERE SO I'M GOING TO TAKE A MINUTE CAN GO THROUGH IT REAL QUICK.

AND BY THE WAY WE'RE GLAD YOU'RE HERE, WE LIKE TO SEE PEOPLE SHOW UP BUT AS WE GET TO EACH ITEM WE'LL HAVE A REPORT FROM OUR STAFF, WE MAY QUESTION THEM. WE'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND HAVE APPLICANT FOR THE PARTICULAR ITEM COME UP AND PRESENT THEIR ITEM. IF THERE IS A CITIZEN ADVISORY COMMITTEE REPRESENTATIVE WE'LL ASK THEM TO COME UP AND WE'LL OPEN IT UP FOR ANYBODY THAT WANTS TO SPIKE TO THE BOARD ABOUT THAT ITEM. WE ASK THAT YOU KEEP YOUR

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WE WILL THEN CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND AT THAT POINT THE BOARD WILL DISCUSS IT AND WE'LL MAKE AIRSTREAMS AND ONCE THE PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED IT'S CLOSED.

SO KEEP THAT IN MIND EVEN IF YOU HEAR SOMETHING YOU DON'T LIKE THAT WE MIGHT SAY. WE'LL EVENTUALLY HAVE A MOTION AND DO THE RECOMMENDATION. SO WITH THAT, WE WILL GO AHEAD

[1.  Approval of Minutes]

OUR FIRST ITEM OF BUSINESS IS APPROVAL OF OR COMMISSION MEETING MINUTES FROM SEPTEMBER 6 WHICH WAS THAT JOINT MEETING WE HAD WITH THE BCC. ARE THERE ANY COMMENTS, THE

QUESTIONS, CLARIFIESES? >> MOVE THAT IT BE APPROVED.

>> AND SECOND FROM JOE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF APPROVING THE MINUTES STATE AYE. ANY OPPOSE? MR. GARRISON WAS THE SECOND. AND I ALSO HAVE A COPY OF THE NOVEMBER 1 MINUTES BUT IT SOUNDS AS THOUGH NOT EVERYONE GOT THOSE IN THEIR PACKAGE. AND IT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA, SO WE WILL HOLD THOSE FOR APPROVAL FOR OUR NEXT MEETING.

[Public Comment]

I DON'T SEE ANYBODY SO I'LL CLOSE IT AND NOWIVELY MOVE INTO OUR PUBLIC HEARINGS. OUR FIRST PUBLIC HEARING FOR

[1.  Public Hearing to consider REZ 2022-23. (District 5, Comm. Burke) (M. Brown)(Applicant has withdrawn)]

[2.  Public Hearing to consider CPA 2022-21 (B. Carson)]

>>> THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN. THIS IS A PLANNING PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER TRANSMITTAL OF CPA 2022-21, WHICH IS AN AMENDMENT TO FIGURE FOUR OF THE INTERESTING ELEMENT MAP, THE THIS IS SPONSORED BY COUNTY STAFF APPLICATION, AND THE PRC HEARING WOULD BE NEXT TUESDAY. THE MAP ON THE LEFT IS THE NORTHEAST FLORIDA GREEN WAY TRAIL, WHICH THIS IS A CONCEPTUAL LINE THAT WE HAVE HAD, A PATH THAT WE'VE CONSIDERED? AND THE NEXT STEP IN THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS IS TO HAVE APHESESSABLETY STUDY DONE SO THE, THE PO HAD THAT STUDY DOWN AND THE MAP ON THE RIGHT IS THE RESULTING PATH THAT THEY BELIEVE IS THE FINAL RECOMMENDED ROUTE.

AS YOU SEE IT'S SIMILAR BUT IT GOES DOWN 21 RATHER THAN TAKING THE PATH OVER 218 SOUTH DOWN TO 16 ANDING BANG OVER TO 21.

SO WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING IN THIS AMENDMENT IS TO ADD THE LENGTH THAT'S MISSING THAT THEY RECOMMENDED AS A HIGHER LEVEL ALIGNMENT THAN THE 218, NOT TAKING AWAY THE 218, BECAUSE WE STILL THINK IT'S A VALID AREA FOR A TRAIL BUT WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE IT DEVELOPED BUT WE WANT TO ADD THE SEGMENT THAT IS BETWEEN 218 AND 16 ON THE LANDING IN PART BECAUSE WE HAVE THE REGIONAL PARKS THAT IS GOING TO BE ON THAT ROAD, SO THIS IS SHOWING YOU THE PROPOSED -- THE CURRENT MAP IS ON THE LEFT WHERE IT DOES NOT INCLUDE THAT SEGMENT.

THERE'S A SMALL SECTION OF SIDEWALK SOUTH OF 218 SO WE ARE PROPOSING THE ORANGE AND YELLOW LINE THERE TO BE ADDED TO THE SEGMENT THERE BETWEEN 218 AND 16.

AND STAFF RECOMMENDS TRANSMITTAL OF THIS PROPOSED CHAIN TO THE

BASIC PEDESTRIAN MAP. >> ANY QUESTIONS?

>> JUST ONE. IS THE SECTION THAT GOES EAST OF THAT THAT'S CURRENTLY OP 218, BUT THAT STILL STAYS IN PLACE,

CORRECT? >> YES, IT WILL.

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>> CAN YOU BACK UP -- ON THE RIGHT HAND MAP THERE THAT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT IN THE NORTHERN PART OF THAT MAP TOO, IS THAT

ALL. . >> WE'RE PRETTY CERTAIN THE PATH WILL COME DOWN LIVE OAK LANE TO OLD JENNINGS, THE TRAVEL EAST TO LONG BAY AND FOLLOW SOUTH TO BLANDING, WHERE WE HAVE LOTS OF QUESTIONS WHERE HOW WE GET IT THROUGH THE FORESTRY LAND, FORESTRY DIVISION DOESN'T NECESSARILY WANT PAVED TRAILS THROUGH THERE AND THE GOAL IS TO CONNECT IT NORTH TO VETERAN'S FAIR AND ACCURATE AND CONNECT ALL THE WAY TO THE BALDWIN RAIL

TRAIL. >>> BUT THIS THAT WE'RE DOING TONIGHT IS JUST THE SECTION FROM ON 21, SOUTH OF 218?

>> CORRECT, THE ONLY THING WE ARE CHANGING IS ADDING THAT

SEGMENT TO OUR MAP. >> OKAY.

>> FEW IF YOU LOOK AT THE MAP ON THE RIGHT THE MULTIUSE PATH IS THERE GOING THROUGH JENNINGS SO THE PATH WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS ALREADY THERE, IT JUST DOESN'T INCLUDE THAT SEGMENT ON BLANDING

BETWEEN 218 AND 16. >> OKAY.

I'M GOING TO OPEN IT TO PUBLIC HEARING.

I DON'T HAVE ANY CARDS ON THIS ONE SO I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASK FOR A MOTION.

>> MOTION TO APPROVE. >> MR. ANZALONE APPROVED AND SECOND? AND MS. BRIDGE MAN A SECOND, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE ALL IN FAVOR STATE AYE. ANY OPPOSEED?

[3.  Public Hearing to consider CPA 2022-12. (District 5, Comm. Burke) (B. Carson)]

WELL. >> THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN.

THINGS A SMALL SCALE LAND USE I WANT FROM BRAND DON FIELD CONSERVATION NETWORK TO BRANDON FIELD MASTER PLAN COMMUNITY.

THESE PARCELS OR THIS PORTION IS LOCATED IN DOCTORS INLET BRIDGE WOOD PLANNING DISTRICT WHICH IS COMMISSION DISTRICT FIVE COMMISSIONER BURKE'S DISTRICT. THIS ALSO WILL BE HEARD BY THE BOARD NEXT TUESDAY. THE MAP ON THE RIGHT ARE THE PARCELS THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED FOR THE CHANGE, AND THE HATCHED PART IS THE ONLY PORTION THAT WE ARE LOOKING TO CHANGE.

THE PARCELS ACTUALLY EXTEND ALL THE UP TO THE TOP OF THAT MAP.

THEY'RE VERY LARGE PARCELS, BUT WHEN PCN WAS DESIGNATED IN BRENDAN FIELD THE ENTIRE PARCELS WERE DESIGNATED AS PCN.

SO WE ARE LOOKING THE CHANGE PORTIONS OF THESE PARCELS AND PARCELS ARE LISTED THERE, RESULTING IN A WHOLE -- THE ENTIRE AMOUNT THAT WE'RE CHANGING IS ONLY 3.94 ACRES IN THE HATCHED AREA. THE MAP ON THE LEFT KIND OF SHOWS YOU WHAT THE PCN IS SHOWN OVER THE WHOLE AREA, MUCH OF IT IS WET BUT THE PORTION THAT WE'RE CHANGING IS NOT.

OVER THE -- THE MAP ON THE RIGHT IS WHERE IT'S DESIGNATED BRANDAN FIELD PUD. AND ACROSS -- SO THESE PROPERTIES ARE ON BLACK CREEK AND ACROSS FROM BLACK CREEK IS THE LAKE ASBURY MASTER PLANNED AREA JUST TO GIVE YOU SOME CONTEXT. THEE PROPERTY ARE LOCATED EAST OF HENLY ROAD ON BLACK CREEK JUST SOUTH OF 220 IF THAT HELPS YOU ANY. SO THE SOILS MAP, THE MAP ON THE RIGHT IS THE FLOODWAY MAP. SO THERE IS FLOOD ZONE AE, WHICH IS STILL BUILTABLE BUT THERE ARE CONCESSIONS ON HOW IT HAS TO BE BUILT. THE ORANGE TRIPE IS ARRANGES ERIC FLOODWAY AND THERE ARE FURTHER SADS, YOU CANNOT BLOCK THE WATER FROM FLOWING THROUGH SO THERE'S ONLY A LITTLE BIT OF THE AE LAND ON THE LAST PARCEL TO THE RIGHT.

THIS IS AN AERIAL AND WHAT I WANT YOU TO SEE IN THIS IS WE BELIEVE THIS IS A SUBDIVISION THAT WAS CREATED BACK IN NINE, EARLY 2000. AND IT'S A SUBDIVISION WITH INITIALLY IT WAS FIVE LOTS. THE FIRST TWO LOTS WERE ACTUALLY ONE LOT THAT WAS COMBINED AND THIS IS APPARENTLY HIGHLAND, AND THERE WAS A SEWER LINE PUT IN TO SERVICE THIS LOT AND IN SOME DOCUMENTS IT'S REFERRED TO AS THE GRAY FIVE LOT SUBDIVISION.

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FORWARD. >>> ANY QUESTIONS? SO COUNTY IS THE APPLICANT ON THIS ONE, RIGHT?

>> THAT'S CORRECT. >> SO LET ME OPEN TO PUBLIC HEARING. I DON'T HAVE ANY CARDS ON THIS ONE. IS THERE ANYBODY THAT WANTED TO SPEAK TO THIS ISSUE THAT'S HERE? ALL RIGHT, SEEING NONE I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND BRING IT BACK FOR A MOTION.

I WILL TELL YOU YOU GUYS IF YOU'RE NOT FAMILIAR WITH THIS

AREA, I AM -- >> I AM TOO.

>> AND I CAN SEE WHERE THIS WAS A MISTAKE.

>> I'LL MOVE THE -- >> MR. AN SLOW MOVES THE STAFF REPORT. AND A SECOND FROM MR. DAVIS.

IF THERE'S NO FURTHER DISCUSSION ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS STATE AYE. ANY OPPOSED? AND LANCE, YOU HAD A VOTE ON THAT ONE BECAUSE TECHNICALLY THAT WOULD INCREASE THE SCHOOL DENSITY, YOU OKAY WITH THIS ONE?

>> IT'S A MISTAKE AND IT'S A MISTAKE --

>> YES. >> SO THAT ONE WILL GO TO THE

[4.  Public Hearing to consider Z-2022-24. (District 1, Comm. Cella) (M.Brown)]

>>> MR. CHAIRMAN, AND COMMISSION, MIKE BROWN, ZONING CHIEF. Z 22-24 IS A REZONING.

THE APPLICANT IS LEWIS HUNTLY ENTERPRISES INC., THE AGENT FOR THE APPLICANT IS MR. MARK SCRIBBY AND THIS IS A CHANGE OF .05-ACRE FROM AGRICULTURAL RESIDENTIAL TO PS ONE PRIVATE SERVICES, THE PARTICLE IS LOCATED AT 1153 CLAY STREET IN THE DOCTORS INLET, PLANNING DISTRICT OR COMMISSION DISTRICT ONE COMMISSIONER SELL LA SEE DISTRICT IS THE BRIEF BACKGROUND. THE PARCEL IS DESIGNATED RURAL FRINGE ON THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP AND HAS APPROXIMATELY 175 FEET OF FRONTAGE ON CLAY STREET.

THE PROPERTY IS IMMEDIATELY NORTHEAST AND SOUTH OF THE SUBJECT PARCEL ARE ALSO ZONED PS ONE, PROPERTY IMMEDIATELY WEST IS ZONED AR, AG RESIDENTIAL. HERE YOU CAN SEE ON THE LEFT IS THE SERVING WITH THE SURROUNDING ZONING, ON THREE SIDES OF PS ONE CAN THEN WE HAVE AN AERIAL ON THE RIGHT, THE PARCEL IS RENTLY UNDEVELOPED. AGAIN, THIS THIS IS A REQUEST FOR REZONING OF A SINGLE PARCEL OF 0.51 ACRES FROM AR TO P SOCIAL SECURITY ONE, STAFF HAS REVIEWED THE AFFLICTION AND DETERMINED THAT THE REQUEST IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING AREA. THE REQUESTED PS ONE ZONING IS ALLOWED WITHIN THE RURAL FRINGE FUTURE LAND YOU DECEMBER NATION.

THE FLEMING ISLAND CITIZEN ADVISORY COMMITTEE DID REVIEW THE PROJECT AND RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF THE PROPOSED REZONING. THEIR REPORT WAS INCLUDED IN

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>> QUESTIONS? OKAY.

LET ME OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS ONE.

IS THE APPLICANT PRESENT? >> GOOD EVENING, MARK SCRUBNY ATTORNEY WITH THE ROGERS TOWERS LAW FIRM.

1500 -- 1301 RIVER PLACE BOULEVARD SUITE 1500.

SO THESE THIS PROPERTY, YOU SEE ON THE MAP THE HATCHED AREA IS OWNED BY LEWIS HUNTLY ENTERPRISES AS IS THE PIECE TO ITS RIGHT, THE PARALLELOGRAM THAT FRONTS ON 17.

THE INTENT IS TO USE THIS PROPERTY FOR DAYCARE PURPOSES.

WE NEED THIS ADDITIONAL PIECE TO ANNEX IT TO THE PROPERTY TO THE EAST IN ORDER TO PROVIDE A FULLY FUNCTIONAL DAYCARE FACILITY.

AS STAFF INDICATED, THE LAND USE IS CONSISTENT WITH THE ZONING.

THE AR ZONING EXTENDS ALL THE WAY OVER TO FLEMING ISLAND PLANTATION. AS YOU CAN SEE BORDERING ARE RES USES. THERE'S ONE TO THE THAT IS PART OF WHAT MR. HUNTLY OWNS, TO THE NORTH IS SACRED HEART WHICH IS A BIG CAMPUS AND EXTENDS ALL THE WAY UP TO FLEMING ISLAND METHODIST CHURCH WHICH IS ANOTHER BIG CAMPUS ALL PS ONE.

TO THE SOUTH OF US ACROSS CLAY STREET IS THE BAPTIST CHURCH WHICH HAS BEEN THERE FOR AS LONG AS I CAN REMEMBER.

SO WE'RE REALLY SURROUNDED BY PS ONE WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE PARCEL TO THE WEST. WE THINK THINK THAT A HIGH QUALITY DAYCARE FACILITY ON THIS PROPERTY WOULD BE A POSITIVE DEVELOPMENT IN THIS AREA OF POLICEMENNING ISLAND AND PROVIDE EXCELLENT SERVICE TO THE RESIDENTS IN THE VICINITY.

THIS AREA TO THE WEST IS KIND OF A MIXED BAG, THERE'S SOME VACANT LOTS BUT IT'S ROUGHLY 50/STICK BUILT HOMES AND MOBILE HOMES TO THE WEST OF US ON CLAY STREET. SO I WOULD LIKE TO INTRODUCE BRIAN ATLY TO EXPLAIN THEIR VISION OF THE DAYCARE FACILITY.

THEY WOULD BE THE DEVELOPERS OF THE PROJECT.

>> BRIAN ATLY, JACKSONVILLE FLORIDA.

I'M NOT SURE IF WE HAVE GRAPHICS ON IS THIS BUT I DID BRING A SITE PLAN FOR WHAT'S PROPOSED HERE AND IN ESSENCE WHAT WE HAVE HERE TO THE SOUTH IS THE ENTRY WAY FOR THE BAPTIST CHURCH, IMMEDIATELY OPPOSITE THAT ENTRY WAY HIRE AND PLEASE LET ME KNOW IF YOU CAN'T SEE THIS BUT OPPOSITE THAT ENTRY WAY IS WHERE WE HAVE THE PROPOSEDDED ENTRY DRIVE AND WITHIN THAT CIRCULAR DRIVEWAY WE HAVE 45 PARKING SPOTS.

THE WAY THE DROPOFF AND PICKUP FUNCTIONS WORK PARENTS ARE REQUIRED TO PHYSICALLY ESCORT THEIR CHILDREN AND CHECK THEM IN TO THE FACILITY, LIKEWISE ON EXIT PICK THEM UP INSIDE THE BUILDING AND TAKE THEM TO THE CARS SO THAT HELPS TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE CONCERNS RAISE BIDS THE CAC ABOUT TRAFFIC IN THIS PARTICULAR AREA. COMING NORTH ON U.S. 17 YOU HAVE A CURB CUT THAT IS ABOUT 360 FEET IN LENGTH, AND TO THE NORTH AGAIN YOU HAVE A TRAFFIC LIGHT ABOUT .6 MILES TO THE NORTH. THE FRO POSED OPERATOR IS KID CITY USA, THEY ARE PRESENT TODAY AS WELL SHOULD YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT OPERATIONS SAFETY AND SO ON.

BUT THIS ESSENCE THIS IS THE SITE PLAN BEING PROPOSED.

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IF ANYONE HAS ANY QUESTIONS. >> ANY QUESTIONS? OKAY. NO, I THINK WE'RE GOOD, THANK YOU. WE DO HAVE A NOTE FROM THE FLEMING ISLAND CAV. C.

IS THERE ANYONE FROM THE CAC THAT WANTS TO ADDRESS THIS? I SEE A HAND BACK THERE. COME ON UP.

>> I'M EDEN JORDAN 6589 RIVER POINT DRIVE AND I'M HERE -- WE HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSES ABOUT THE PROPERTY.

BUT SINCE IT WAS REALLY ALREADY ZONED, THE PROPERTY NEXT DOOR WAS ALREADY ZONED PS, I'M NOT SURE THE NUMBER OF IT BUT WE FELT THAT IT WAS PROBABLY GOOD TO GO AND PASS THROUGH AND THAT THERE'S DEFINITELY A NEED FOR DAYCARE IN FLEMMING, THEY'RE ALL

FULL. >> THANK YOU MA'AM.

ALL RIGHT T. ANYBODY ELSE? I DON'T HAVE ANY CARDS ON THIS ONE.

I SEE A COUPLE HANDS. COME ON UP TO THE MIC, PLEASE.

DID YOU GIVE ME A CARD AND I MISSED IT? PAMELA FLETCHER AND ANGELA WEBBER?

>> I APOLOGIZE, I DIDN'T KNOW I NEEDED TO DO A CARD.

>> MY NAME IS DEIRDRE KNOTS AND ON THE STREET THAT'S PROPOSEDDED TO PUT THE DAYCARE. SINCE I LIVE ON THAT STREET AND I COME DOWN UP AND DOWN THAT STREET DAILY THERE IS NO NEED FOR A DAYCARE, WE DO NOT HAVE THE ROADWAY FOR THAT TYPE OF FACILITY. I DO KNOW THE CHURCH IS THERE BUT THE CHURCH CAN GO OUT ON EITHER CLAY OR FLEMMING.

THE DAYCARE WOULD ONLY BE ABLE TO GO OUT ON CLAY STREET WHICH WOULD CAUSE A BACKUP FOR THE RECESSES THAT LIVE ON THAT STREET BOTH NORTHWESTERN AND IN THE EVERYTHING.

WE ALREADY HAVE A HARD TIME GETTING OUT ON 17 AS IT IS WITH THE CHURCHES THAT GET OUT NORTHWESTERN.

IN THE MORNING. I HAVE TO DO A U-TURN OR GO THROUGH THE PLANTATION TO GET OUT SO TO PUT A BUSINESS THERE IS GOING TO CAUSE AN INCONVENIENCE FOR THE CURRENT RESIDENTS THAT LIVE ON THAT STREET CAN LIVE IN THOSE THREE ON CLAY STREET, FLEMMING CAN FLOYD, IT'S NOT AN EASY ROAD TO GET OUT OF AND YOU WOULD NEED TO WIDE SEVEN THAT ROAD AS WELL BECAUSE AS IT IS WHEN YOU GO DOWN THE STREET WE'RE HAVING TO GO INTO THE GRASS TO HAVE THE CARS PASS US AND THAT'S NOT EVEN TALKING ABOUT THE FLOODING CONDITIONS THAT HAPPEN DURING THE STORMS, SO I'M OPPOSED TO IT AND I KNOW MY HUSBAND IS OPPOSE

TO IT AS WELL T. >>> THANK YOU MA'AM.

I ALSO DID HAVE TWO CARDS ON THIS ONE, ANGELA WEBBER AND PAMELA FLETCHER. EITHER ONE OF THEM?

YOU ARE? >> GOOD EVENING I'M ANGELA WEBBER AND I'M PROPERTY OWNER AND RESIDENT.

I LIVE AT 1259 FLEMMING STREET. I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT OUR NEIGHBORHOOD HAS ONLY -- BECAUSE THE STATE CLOSED OFF THE MEDIAN IN 1996 CLAY STREET AND FLOYD STREET ARE ONLINE GUESS AND EGRESS THERE ARE 'NOTHER OTHER OUTLETS TO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, THAT'S THE ONLY WAY TO COME AND GO OUT OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND WE ALREADY HAVE A MAJOR TRAFFICKISH, TRAFFIC IS ALREADY BACKED UP. WE THE CARTE LINK CHURCH MAKING, TURNS AND YOU HAVE OTHER CARS COMING IF FROM NORTHBOUND ALL SIMULTANEOUSLY. WE HAVE HAD A SERIAL NUMBER OF TRAFFIC ACCIDENTS THERE. AND I TOO HAVE TO MANGE A RIGHT AND CUT THROUGH THE PLANTATION BECAUSE I CANNOT SAFELY GET OUT DUE TO THE TRAFFIC. IF YOU APPROVE THIS WE WILL HAVE TRAFFIC BACKED UP, WE WILL NEED OUR ROADS WIDENED AND WE WILL ALSO NEED A RED LIGHT SO WE CAN SAVELY GET OUT OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD ON 17 BECAUSE IT WILL DRASTICALLY INCREASE THE FLOW OF TRAFFIC ON CLAY STREET. AND IN ADDITION TO THAT YOU HAVE TO TALKER THE PLATES ARE GOING TO BE DROPPING OFF AND PINGING

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AND SCHOOL BUSS GOING TO PASS? >> THANK YOU.

>>> AND PAMELA FLETCHER? >> HI I'M PAMELA FLETCHER, 1250 FLEMMING DISCREET, AND I ALSO OPPOSE THIS BASICALLY FOR THE SAME REASONS. THERE'S NO ROOM AND IT DOESN'T IMPEDE THE SCHOOL, MY GRANDDAUGHTER AND MY GRANDSONS BOTH CATCH FLEMMING AND HIGH BERN YA, YOU HAVE TO COME DOWN CLAY STREET, THE BUS COMES DOWN, OVER CAN AROUND, GETTING IN AND OUT OF THERE IS HARD ENOUGH JUST FOR US TO COME DOWN THROUGH.

IF YOU ARE DROPS OFF I GRANDDAUGHTER CATCHES HER BUS BETWEEN 60:30 AND QUARTER OF SEVEN, MY GRANDSON I BELIEVE HERE'S 8 O'CLOCKISH. YOU HAVE PEOPLE WORKING, GOING INTO AND OUT OF -- YEAH, CLAY STREET AND FLOYD STREET, BEING THE ONLY INS ANDOUTS. ANY GRANDDAUGHTER WAS IN AN ACCIDENT THERE NOT JUST A COUPLE WEEKS AGO, IT'S HARD TO GET IN AND OUT WHEN YOU HAVE A TON OF TRAFFIC GOING UP AND DOWN.

THE ROADS ARE NOT MADE FOR IT. THE AREA IS REALLY NOT MADE FOR IT SO I'M JUST OPPOSE TO THAT ON THOSE ISSUES.

>> THANK YOU MA'AM. MIGHTANYBODY ELSE ON THIS ONE?

YES, SIR, COME ON. >>

>>> MY NAME IS FRANKLIN KNOT I LIVER AT 1325 CLAY STREET, MY WIFE JUST SPOKE. IF APPROVED WHICH I DO NOT AGREE WITH MY CONCERN WOULD BE DRAINAGE.

I LIVE FOR FURTHER DOWN CLAY STREET, 1325 AND BEHIND ME IS A BIG RETENTION POND. I BELIEVE IT BELONGS TO A CHURCH. DRAINAGE FROM THAT RETENTION POND GOES TO THE NORTH OF THAT PROPERTY LINE, THERE'S AN UNDERGROUND DRAINAGE DITCH THAT GOES FROM THAT POND TO A DITCH ALONG 17 AND IN SENSE, GOES TOWARDS THE RIVER.

I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT WORKS, BUT SOMEBODY JUST RECENT BAD STORMS WE HAVE HAD, HURRICANE IAN AND ESPECIALLY IRMA, THE ONE WE HAD A FEW YEARS BACK, WE HAD REAL BAD FLOODING DOWN CLAY STREET ON MY SIDE OF THE ROAD. I LIVE ON THE NORTH SIDE OF CLAY STREET AND FLOODING IS A BIG ISSUE BECAUSE SOME OF THE PROPERTIES THERE HAVE GOOD DRAINAGE DITCHES, SOME DON'T BUT IT ALL GETS BACKED UP THERE AT 17.

MY CONCERN IS FLOODING, YOU GO BUILDING OUT THAT PROPERTY AND THE WAY IT'S GOING TO AFFECT THE DREDGE FROM THE STREETS FURTHER DOWN CLAY AND FLEMMING YOU HAVE THE POTENTIAL OF BAD THINGS LAPPING BECAUSE THOSE ARE DEAD END STREETS TEMPERATURE WATER HAS NO PLACE TO GO BUT 17 SO ANY CONCERN IS GOING TO BE HOW IS ALL THAT DRAINAGE GOING TO BE HANDLED SO IT DOESN'T CAUSE ISSUES. SO THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO MAKE

NOTE >>> THANK YOU, SIR.

ANYONE ELSE? ONE MORE.

>>> GOOD DAY. I'M JERRY WALKER WITH KID CITY USA, I'M VICE PRESIDENT OF FRANCHISE AND REAL ESTATE DEVELOPMENT AND AS YOU KNOW, FIRST I'LL TALK ABOUT RETENTION, RETENTION MEANS YOU KEEP YOUR WATER ON YOUR PROPERTY SO OF COURSE WE WOULD ADDRESS THAT WITH THE PROPERTY THAT WE'LL BE TAKING BUT ALSO WANTING TO ADDRESS THE DROPOFF AND PICKUP OF CHILDREN. OUR HOURS OF ORANGE ARE FROM 6:30 TO 6 O'CLOCK P.M. AND I JUST DID A COUPLE STUDIES FOR FLAGLER COUNTY AND VOLUSIA COUNTY AND I LOOKED AT SEVERAL DIFFERENT PLACES AND WHAT HAPPENS IS YOU HAVE YOUR BULB BULK OF DROPOFF THAT HAPPENS BETWEEN 6:30 AND 10:00 O'CLOCK SO IT'S SPREAD OUT. IT'S NOT LIKE YOU'RE GOING TO

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WHAT THEY DO, THEY COME IN, AND THEY'RE BACK OUT, THEY'RE ON-SITE -- NOTICE THEY GOT TO TALK TO A TEACHER THEY'RE ON-SITE FOR ABOUT TEN MINUTES. AND WE DID DO THE SURVEYS OF HOW MANY CHILDREN THAT YOU HAVE AND THERE IS A NEED THERE.

AND THE OTHER THING THAT I WILL ADDRESS IS THE CHURCHES, FAITH BASED DAYCARES ATTRACT A DIFFERENT DEMOGRAPHIC THAN WE DO ATTRACT, AND I'LL TELL YOU MY HUSBAND IS A PREACHER, SO I AM ALL ABOUT FAITH BASED AND WE'RE NOT TRYING TO TAKE AWAY FROM ANYBODY, BUT A LOT OF TIME ONCE YOU SAY FAITH BASEED YOU AUTOMATICALLY LOSE 50 PERCENT OF THE PEOPLE, SO WE'RE NOT GOING TO TALK ABOUT ANYBODY AWAY AND I'LL ALSO TELL YOU THAT WE HAVE A CHARACTER BUILDING CURRICULUM THAT IT TARGETS EVERYTHING THAT'S TAUGHT IN FAITH BATESED BUT WE DO IT IN A MANNER THAT DON'T RUN OFF THE 50 PERCENT OF THE PARENTS THAT DON'T WANT THE FAITH BASED SO I FEEL IT WILL BE A GREAT ASSET TO YOUR AREA.

WERE IN 12 STATES NOW AND WE RUN A REALLY TIGHT SHIP OF QUALITY ASSURANCE AND TEACHING AND ITING OUR TEACHERS AND OUR STAY STUDENTS AND WE ARE CALLED A DAYCARE BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE TO BE CALLED BUT ONCE OUR CHILDREN MOVE OUT OF THE BABY ROOM WE START TEACHING. WE HAVE A CURRICULUM THAT WE TEACH THEM AND WE DON'T JUST BABY SIT ALL DAY SO I FEEL WE HAVE A VERY GOOD PROGRAM THAT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL TO FLEMMING STYLED AND I HOPE YOU'LL SOCIETY FOR US TO BE HERE.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> THANK YOU MATCH.

>> MR. CHAIRMAN I HAVE A QUESTION.

>> TO HER? >> YES.

>> MA'AM, CAN YOU COME BACK UP? MS. ABOUTER.

>> MY QUESTION IS HOWL KIDS WILL YOU BE HAVING IN THIS FACILITY.

>> I THINK THIS ONE, 160. OR 165.

165. >> THANK YOU.

>> I HAD IS SAME QUESTION. >> AND THE 1605 IS NEVER THERE AT THE SAME TIME BECAUSE YOU HAVE VBK CHILDREN THAT ARE FOUR-YEAR-OLDS PREPPING TO GO TO SCHOOL AND THEY ARE THERE UNTIL NOON. AND THEN YOU HAVE BEFORE SCHOOL CHILDREN, YOU HAVE AFTER-SCHOOL CHILDREN, AND THEN YOU HAVE SOME THAT STAY ALL DAY SO IT'S -- THEY'RE NEVER ALL THERE AT THE

SAME TIME. >> OKAY, THANK YOU.

>>> ANYONE ELSE? >> MA'AM?

>> I'M SORRY, WE HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION, I DIDN'T SEE THAT.

>> I APOLOGIZE. WHAT TIME DOES YOUR VBK START?

>> I THINK IT THE STARTS AT 8:00 O'CLOCK.

SOME START AT NINE BUT NOVEMBER MOST OF IT BECAUSE THEY HAVE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF HOURS THEY HAVE TO GET?

>> DO YOU HAVE A PROJECTED ENROLLMENT FOR YOUR VBK?

>> BASED ON OTHER SCHOOLS IT WOULD PROBABLY BE 25 TO 30 BUT WE HAVE THE CAPABILITY THAT IF THERE'S MORE NEED FOR IT WE CAN ADJUST AND OPEN TWO ROOMS, SO IF THERE IS -- LIKE RIGHT NOW WE HAVE A BABYBOOM BECAUSE OF THE COVID SO WE HAVE MORE BABY OPEN AND SO WE OPEN MORE -- WE JUST CHANGED THE FURNITURE THAT'S IN THE ROOM AND WE CAN OPEN WHAT MAY BE AN AFTER-SCHOOL ROOM AND OPEN IT TO A VBK ROOM IF THE NEED IS THERE.

WE GO WITH WHATEVER THE NEED IS AND MAYBE IT WORK.

>> AS FAR AS YOUR START TIME, DOES YOUR PART -- JUST IN CASE

YOU HAVE STANDING IN DROPOFF? >> I'LL SAY NO BECAUSE WE DO NOT HAVE THAT PROBLEM, EVEN IN THE SCHOOLS THAT ARE LICENSED FOR TWO HUB TO 225 I VISIT TWO OF THOSE SCHOOLS ON A REGULAR BASIS

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A PROBLEM. >> IS THAT IT?

OKAY, THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> THERE SCRUB BY CAN YOU BRING THAT DOWN? IT'S NOT IN OUR PACKAGE. I THINK EVERYBODY IS GOING TO

WANT TO SEE IT. >> SO THERE'S THE RETENTION

POND. >> YEAH.

SO IT'S NOT JUST A LOOP THERE'S ACTUAL PARKING SPACES SO THEY'RE NOT GOING TO STACK IN A LINE, RIGHT? SO THEY DON'T COME IN AND JUST STACK A HEINLEIN WE SEE AT SCHOOLS, THEY'RE GOING TO PULL INTO A SPOT, GET OUT OF THE CAR, DEAL WITH IT AND THEN LEAVE. DID WE CLOSE THE --

>> YEAH I CLOSED PUBLIC HEARING. MR. ATLY?

>> ATLY? >> ATLY WITH A T.

>> QUESTION FOR YOU. I'M LOOKING AT THAT, LOOKS LIKE ABOUT THREE QUARTER -- OR 23RDS OF THE AREA THAT YOU'RE LOOKING TO REZONE IS RETENTION POND, THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF IS IT IT'S BUILDING MAYBE HALF OF THE STRUCTURE IS IN IS THAT PARTICULAR PARTICLE. IF YOU DID NOT HAVE THE REZONING ON THAT WOULD THIS BE ABLE TO BE BUILT THIS A DIFFERENT FASHION JUST ON THE FRONT PART OF THAT DEVELOPMENT THERE?

>> NO, THE CHALLENGE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE THERE IS YOU HAVE THE SIDEWALK ACROSS THE NORTH SOUTH RIGHT HERE SO YOU HAVE THE PARKING AREA MR. ATLY I KNOW YOU'RE ANSWERING HIM BUT CAN YOU

GO TO THE MICROPHONE. >> THERE'S A COUNTY UTILITY BOX AT A SITS IN THE NORTHEAST PART OF THAT SITE SO WE'RE ACCOUNTING FOR AN EASEMENT THERE AND TO GO FURTHER NORTH INTO THAT PLAYGROUND WOULD BE A CHALLENGE BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO HAVE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF PLAYGROUND AREA PER SQUARE FOOT AND YOU'RE LOOKING AT OFF FLOW INTO THE WET LANDS WE WANT TO AVOID, THIS HERE IS TECHNICALLY IMPERVIOUS SO IT WORKS BITTER FROM A USE

PERSPECTIVE THAT WAY. >>> THANK YOU.

I THINK THE POINT THAT I'M TRYING TO GET TO IS THEY HAVE THE THE FRONTAL MILES PER HOUR RIGHT NOW, THE LITTLE HALF ACRE THAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR IS MAINLY FOR RETENTION MORE THAN ANYTHING AT THIS POINT, SO -- AND I'M TRYING TO SAY THAT THE ADDITION OF THAT LOT WOULD NOT -- WITHOUT THAT LOT SOME SORT OF CONSTRUCTION COULD BEÚD, MAYBE MAYBE A SMALLER BUILDING, LESS PARKING LOT IF THEY WANTED TO DO THAT, SO I JUST WANTED TO

BRING THAT POINT FORWARD. >> ANYTHING ELSE? YOU OKAY? THANK YOU, SIR.

ANYONE ELSE? ALL RIGHT.

LOOK FOR A MOTION ON THIS ONE THEN.

>> YES, SIR. >> MR. CHAIRMAN, GO AHEAD AND

MAKE A MOTION. >> I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE.

>> GET A SECOND. >> I GOT A SEC FROM MR. GARRISON, MOTION FROM MR. ANZALONE.

>>> FOR YEARS FILMING ISLAND IS AGREEABLE WITH PS ONE ON 17 AS WELL AS ON EAST WEST PARK WAY AND A LOT OF THE OTHER MAJOR STREETS PARTICULARLY FOR CHURCHES AND THE REASON FOR CHURCHES IS BECAUSE IT ALSO REQUIRED THEM TO HAVE DIRECT ACCESS TO 17 OR TO THE MAIN ROADWAY NOT THROUGH A RESIDENTIAL AREA. THE REASON WHY WE LIKE CHURCHES ON 17 IS BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT TO PUT A CHURCH IN A RESIDENTIAL AREA BECAUSE WHEN EVERYONE IS HOME ON SUNDAY THE LAST THING THEY WANT TO SEE IS 200 PERMISSIONERS GOING TO CHURCH.

THE STREET IS VERY LOW AVERAGE I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE TRAFFIC

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YOU GOT 160 PLUS CAN I KIDS BEING DROPPED OFF THAT THAT'S AGE CARS GOING IN AND OUT OF THAT NEIGHBORHOOD AND THAT ARE MY CONCERN ABOUT THIS, AS FAR AS THAT PLUS THE CONCERN OF CARS GETTING BACK OUT ON 17. I LIVER JUST OFF 17 AND IN THE MORNING IT'S A PAIN TO GET OUT THERE SAFELY WITHOUT GETTING RUN OVER. SPEED LIMIT IS 55 DOWN THERE, IT'S NORMALLY ABOUT 60, 65 BUT IT DOES CREATE A TRAFFIC SITUATION THAT'S NOT SAFE FOR PEOPLE TRYING THE GET OUT OF THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, THEY CAN CROSS ON FLEMMING BUT THIS HAVE THE SAME SITUATION THERE THAT IS ON CLAY STREET.

I'M NOT REALLY IN FAVOR -- I HEAR WHAT YOU SAY COMMISSIONER ABOUT THEN DO IT AND OF COURSE THEY WOULD HAVE TO SIGNIFICANTLY DOWNSIZE THEIR OPERATION BUT MORE WORK NEEDS TO BE DONE TO RELIEVE THESE PEOPLE THAT LIVE DOWN THERE THE BURDEN THAT THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO BE CARRYING JUST BECAUSE THEY'VE GOT 160 KID ATTENDING THEIR DAYCARE.

THAT'S MY INPUT. >>> ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY.

>> MR. CHAIR THE ONLY THING I WOULD ADD TYPICALLY I'M ALWAYS IN AGREEMENT WITH THE PHLEGMING THE ISLAND ADVISORY COMMITTEE BUT AS A ZONING BOARD OUR ISSUES ARE NOT PERTINENT TO OUR DECISION FOR ZONING SO WE HAVE A PS ONE DESIGNATION EAST, NORTH AND SOUTH OF THAT PROPERTY. THIS PROPERTY CONFORMS IN MY OPINION, I'M GOING TO VOTE WITH STAFF ON THIS ONE

>>> ANYONE ELSE? OKAY.

I'M GOING TO GOING TO CALL THE QUESTION, WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR TO APPROVE THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR STATE AYE. ANY OPPOSED?

>> AYE. >> MR. DAVIS WAS OPPOSED.

>>> MAY I MAKE ONE MORE COMMENT? I WANT STORY MIND EVERYBODY WORST HERE TONIGHT ESPECIALLY IF THIS IS YOUR FIRST TIME HERE THE PRC IS GOING TO HEAR THIS AND THAT'S WHERE SOME OF THOSE ISSUES THAT YOU'RE BRINGING UP THAT'S WHERE THAT CONVERSATION IS HAD. THIS CONVERSATION IS FOR SERVING

SO I WANT TO CLARIFY THAT. >>> THANK YOU.

SO WE'LL MOVE ON TO OUR ITEM NOW , WHICH IS HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE HERE FOR THIS ITEM SCENE OF THIS SIX, WHICH IS THE ITEM ON BRANDING BOULEVARD? IS THAT WHO HAVE THE PEOPLE ARE HERE FOR? I'M GOING TO TAKE THE PRIVILEGE OF THE CHAIR HERE AND REARRANGE THE AGENDA SO WE CAN GET YOU GUYS HEARD AND OUT. SO WE'RE GOING TO SKIP TO ITEM

[6.  Public Hearing to consider CPA-2022-17 and REZ-2022-25. (District 1, Comm. Cella) (D. Selig)]

WE'RE GOING TO TAKE THEM TOGETHER.

THEY WILL REQUIRE TWO SEPARATE MOTIONS AND VOTES, AND AGAIN, I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE NOT FAMILIAR WITH THIS FAMILIAR PROBABLY HERE. WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH BOTH THE FACT THAT THE LAND USE MAY NEED TO BE CHANGED AND THEN THE ZONING ON TOP OF THAT HAS TO BE CHANGED, THERE'S TWO LAYERS TO THIS. SO AS WEWORK THROUGH THIS I THINK YOU'LL PICK UP ON THAT. AND MS. SELL I GO DO YOU HAVE

THIS ONE? >> I DO.

SO THESE TWO ITEMS WILL BE BROUGHT TO THE BOARD ON DECEMBER DECEMBER 13. AS YOU SAID THESE ARE A LARGE SCALE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT AND A REZONING.

APPLICANT IS HILL POINT LLC, THE PROPERTY IS ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF SLAMMING AND EAST OF TANGLE WOOD BOULEVARD IN DOCTORS LAKE RIDGE WOOD PLANNING DISTRICTS, WHICH IS DISTRICT ONE.

THERE'S TWO PARCELS INVOLVED INVOLVED AND THEY TOTAL 55.77 ACRES. THE COMP PLAN AMENDMENT, WE

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AND ON THE LEFT WE HAVE THE ZONING SO YOU CAN SEE THE BB TWO IN THE GRAY AND THE PUD IS THE YELLOW AND THE SURROUNDING RESIDENTIAL. AND ON THE RIGHT IS THE FLOOD NAP AND YOU CAN SEE -- IT'S A LITTLE FAINT BUT THE YELLOW IS THE EXISTING FLOODPLAIN AND MOST OF THE PARCEL IS COVERED WITH WET WETLANDS. SO IT'S KIND OF A NARROW BAND THAT'S BUILDABLE AND THAT REALITY HAS INFLUENCED THE LAYOUT, THE PROPOSED CONCEPT PLAN WHICH IS HERE.

WHICH WE'RE NOT BRINGING TO YOU FOR A VOTE BUT I'M INCORPORATE RATING TO GIVE EVERYBODY AN IDEA OF WHAT IS PROPOSED.

SO IT'S SIXTH APARTMENT BUILDINGS AND A CLUBHOUSE BUILDING. THE ENTRANCE IS DOWN HERE OFF OF TANGLE WOOD AND THEN THERE'S A CLUBHOUSE AMENITY AREA, AN APARTMENT BUILDING HERE, THREE MORE AND THEN ON THE NORTH PART TWO MORE AND ALONG BRANDING THERE ARE A COUPLE OF GARAGE BUILDINGS AND THEN IN BETWEEN IS OPEN AIR PARKING AND THE PECULIARITY OF THE SITE IS THE FLOODWAY COMES DOWN HERE AND YOU CAN SEE IT MARKED HERE AS THERE'S A DITCH THAT RUNS THROUGH THE MILES PER HOUR AND DOES A SPLIT THING HERE IN THE BACK CAN RECOLLECT THE REST OF IT IS IS IS PRETTY MUCH ALL WET LANDS. SO THIS WOULD BE MULTIFAMILY APARTMENTS SO IT WOULD BE 192 UNITS AND SIX APARTMENT BUILDINGS AND A CLUBHOUSE, THEY WOULD BE THREE STORY THIS IS HEIGHT AND STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN CPA 22-17 AND ALSO OF THE REZONING REZ 22-25.

>>> MS. SELL I GO CAN YOU PUT THE MAP BACK UP, I'M SORRY, NOT THE MAP, THAT RIGHT THERE. SO BASICALLY EVERYTHING FROM THE GOOD PORTION IN THE BACK OF THAT PROPERTY IS NOT USABLE FOR BUILDING, IT'S JUST GOING TO BE OPEN SPACE OF SOME TYPE?

>> IT WILL REMAIN UNDISTURBED WET LANDS.

>> BECAUSE SOME OF IT'S WOODED RIGHT NOW I BELIEVE.

>> YES. >> 13 OUT OF 55.

13 ACRES ARE GOING TO BE DEVELOPED OUT OF A TOTAL OF 55.

>> JUST ALONG THE FRONTAGE ON LANDING AND A LITTLE BIT ON

TANGLE WOOD. >> DO YOU RECALL -- I'M JUST CURIOUS RIGHT DOWN THE STREET FROM THIS WE I PROVED ANOTHER MULTIFAMILY A FEW MONTHS AGO. DO YOU REMEMBER HOW MANY UNITS

WERE IN THAT ONE? >> AT THE CORNER OF VENTURE LANE? YEAH.

>> BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S MORE THAN THINGS AND IT'S ON A SMALLER PIECE OF PROPERTY. IT'S OKAY IF YOU DON'T REMEMBER, I WAS JUST WONDERING IF ANYONE RECALLED THAT.

LET ME -- WERE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? ALL RIGHT. LET ME OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE. IS THE APPLICANT HERE? COME ON UP. JUST GIVE US YOUR NAME AND

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ADDRESS PLEASE. >> GOOD EVENING.

MY NAME IS [INDISCERNIBLE] I'MURBAN PLANNER WITH KBM FRANKLIN LOCATED AT 630 HAZEL TEEN NATIONAL DRIVE ORLANDO FLORIDA. I'M HIRE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS

YOU MAY HAVE THIS EVENING. >> I THINK ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT'S GOING TO COME UP -- WHAT OF THAT PROPERTY THAT IS WET LANDS? ARE YOU GOING TO LEAVE THAT AS

IS? >> SO THAT SITE PLAN IS BATESED OFF THE CURRENTLY AND ALREADY PERMITTED ST. JOHNS RIVER WATER MANAGEMENT PERMIT DISTRICT. THOSE ACRES, NET DEVELOPABLE ACRES WHICH AREERER WE ARE PROPOSING DEVELOPING, THAT AREA WAS CHOSEN BECAUSE THAT IS THE PERMIT WE INHERITEDDED WITH THIS PROPERTY. ALL REMAINING WETLANDS WE INTEND TO LEAVE UNIMPACTED AND I WOULD LIKE TO STRESS THAT THAT IS THE INTENTION OF THE DEVELOPER TO LET THOUGH WET LANDS CONTINUE ABSORBING FLOOD WATERS AND CONTEMPORARYING THE COMMUNITY AND WE ONLY INTEND ON BUILDING ON THAT 13 BUILDABLE ACRES WHICH HAVE ALREADY BEEN CLEARED AND GRADED.

>> THAT'S GOING TO BE MY NEXT QUESTION, THE PART THAT'S BEEN CLEARED DOES THAT REPRESENT THE AREA WHERE THESE BUILDINGS ARE

GOING TO GO. >> YES THAT SITE CONCEPT ALIGNS WITH THE ALREADY PERMITTED WATER MANAGEMENT --

>> SO WHERE THAT TREELINE IS YOU'RE NOT GOING BEYOND THAT.

>> YES, SIR. >> GO AHEAD.

>> MY QUESTION IS RIGHT ON BRANDING YOU HAVE ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR, FIVE, SIX STRUCTURES THAT WILL BE GARAGES,

ISN'T THAT CORRECT. >> YES.

>> ARE YOU PLANNING TO DO ANYTHING AS A BUFFER SCREEN, SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE SO IS THAT WE'RE NOT SEEING THE BACK

SIDE OF THAT? >> THERE WILL BE BUFFERS THAT CONFORM TO THE CLAY COUNTY ZONING CODE AS REQUIRED ON A

RIGHT OF WAY OF THIS MAGNITUDE. >> SO IT'S NOT GOING TO BE OPENING SO SOMEBODY CAN'T WALK IN OFF BRANDING, FOR EXAMPLE.

>> THAT MIGHT BE A BITTER QUESTION FOR STAFF TO ANSWER, I DON'T KNOW OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD THE SCREENING REQUIREMENTS FOR ARE FOR THIS SORT OF RIGHT OF WAY.

>> IS THIS A SOLID WALL? HOW HIGH?

EIGHT? >> DON'T HOLD ME TO THAT.

SOMEBODY ELSE MAY KNOW BETTER JUST SAYS SOLID WALL.

>> IS IT CONCRETE? IS IT BLOCK?

>> [INDISCERNIBLE] IT CAN BE EITHER WOOD OR --

>> [INDISCERNIBLE]. >> SO BETWEEN THE PARKING LOT AND BRANDING THERE'S A 15-FOOT LANDSCAPED AREA THAT'S REQUIRED AND THEN WITH THE GARAGES WE WOULD CONSIDER THAT A WALL AND WE WOULD WANT TO HAVE LANDSCAPING TO BREAK THAT UP BECAUSE THERE IS CODE THAT SAYS IF URN TO PUT A WALL IN YOU WOULD NEED TO BREAK IT UP WITH SOME HEDGES.

>> . >> SIX-FOOT WALL OR FENCE.

>> DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION?

>> YES, THANK YOU. >> DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? ANY QUESTIONS FOR -- OKAY, THANK YOU.

THIS IS NOT A CAC IN THIS AREA. I DO HAVE SOME CARDS SO AS I SAID, ARE YOU GOING TO RUN THE TIMER? TRY TO KEEP YOUR COMMENTS TO THE POINT AND A LITTLE BRIEF IF YOU CAN. DONNA SENA CORE, JAMIE CLAY AND WILLIAM ROGERS IN THAT ORDER. YES, MA'AM.

>>> . >> DONNA SEWN CORE 1271 INDEPENDENCE DRIVE, I WANT TO LET YOU KNOW THAT I'VE LIVED THAT THE ADDRESS FOR 28 YEARS, MY HOUSE BACKS DIRECTLY UP TO THE PROPERTY THAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT.

THE PROPERTY IN QUESTION QUESTION IS WHAT I'VE READ IS CATEGORIZED AS TRADITIONAL WETLANDSES WHICH REQUIRE EXTENSIVE MITIGATION AND HE SAID THEY'RE GOING TO LEAVE THAT HIS INTENSE IS TO LEAVE THAT SO THAT PUT A QUESTION MARK WITH THEY GOING TO EVENTUALLY BUILD BACK AND THEN SOONER OR LATER TEAR EVERYTHING DOWN, SO THAT'S ONE OF MY QUESTIONS.

UNDER HURRICANE SEASON TANGLE WOOD ALREADY FLOODS SO THE DRAINAGE ISSUE IS A MAJOR CONCERN FOR PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN

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I'M ALSO CONCERNED WITH THE TRAFFIC.

IT'S BEEN ESTABLISHED WHERE OVER FOUR 7,000 CARS ALREADY DRIVE OP BRANDING ALREADY AND ADDING THAT MULTI-CONSTITUTED OF UNITS GOING TO INCREASE THE FLOW OF TRAFFIC. CHILDREN JUAN TANGLE WOOD TO GO TO THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL AS WELL AS RIDGE VIEW HIGH HIGH SCHOOL SO YOU'RE GOING TO INCREASE TRAFFIC AND IT'S GOING TO BE INCREASE TO BE HONEST WITH YOU. IF THIS APPROVED WE WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHEN THIS WOULD BEGIN AND WHAT MADE IT CHAIN FROM COMMERCIAL TO URBAN CORE BECAUSE THOSE TWO PARCELS THAT HAVE BEEN CLEARED AND DESTROYED THE TREELINES ARE JUST LIKE EMPTY ALREADY AND I THINK THAT'S LAST YEAR THAT THEY HAD WANTED TO BUILD SOMETHING ON THERE AND RECOLLECT IF I'M UNDERSTANDING THIS RIGHT THE AREAS THAT ARE CLEARED THAT'S WHERE THE PARKING LOTS ARE GOING TO BE AND THE ENTRANCE IS GOING TO BE ON TANGLE WOOD WHICH AGAIN CHILDREN WALK ON TANGLE WOOD TO GO TO SCHOOL SO YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE CARS GOING OUT OF THAT APARTMENT COMPLEX AT THE SAME TIME MOST LIKELY, CHILDREN ARE WALKING ON THE SIDEWALK TO GO TO SCHOOL. SO I OPPOSE THIS AMENDMENT.

>> THANK YOU MA'AM. JAMIE CLAY?

>> GOOD EVENING. I LIVE AT 2838 TANGLE WOOD BOULEVARD AND I HAVE LIVED THERE FOR 30 THEE JEERS, MY CHILDREN AWE TENDED THE HIGH SCHOOL AND MY QUESTION IS WHAT IS GOING TO BE THE IMPACT ON THE SCHOOL SYSTEM SERVICING THE HIGH SCHOOL, THE TWO ELEMENTARY AND THE JUNIOR HIGH.

WE HAVE ALREADY DISCUSSED THE MITIGATION OF THE WETLANDS, THE TRAFFIC SITUATION FROM BOX ROAD TO COLLEGE IS ATROCIOUS AND AN ENTRANCE IS ABSOLUTELY GOING TO BE ATROCIOUS.

I'M A NURSE, I LIVE FORWORK AT ALL HOURS OF THE DAY AND NIGHT AND COMING IN AND OUT OF THAT SUBDIVISION IS HORRENDOUS TO SAY THE LEAST. ON THE MOST RECENT BALLOT THERE WAS A VOTE FOR A TAX INCREASE TO SUPPORT THE SCHOOL SYSTEM.

WHAT IS THE IMPACT THIS DEVELOPER IS GOING TO BE PAYING TO SUPPORT THE SCHOOL SYSTEM? AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE.

>> THANK YOU. LANCE DID YOU CATCH SOME OF THOSE QUESTIONS? WHEN WE'RE DONE I MIGHT ASK YOU TO ANSWER THOSE. WILLIAM ROGERS.

>> WILLIAM ONLY ELSE 28886 TANGLE WOOD.

IF YOU ALL LOOKED AT THOSE TWO SQUARES OF LAND PERSONALLY? THEY LOOK REAL SMALL. REAL SMALL.

AND YOU'RE GOING TO PUT 300 PEOPLE ON THAT.

DRIVING TWO CARS. WERE THEY ALL GOING TO GET THE PARKING? I'M NOT AN ENGINEER BUT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE 300 PARKING SPOTS. CARS ARE 20 FEET LONG, SIX FEET WIDE, NOT GOING TO FIT AND HE SAYS HE'S NOT GOING TO DO WET LANDS, HE'S GOING TO HAVE TO. HE'S ALREADY BUILT THE BUILDINGS. THERE'S YOUR PARKING LOT.

WE SAY NO. THANK YOU.

>>> THANK YOU, SIR. >>> I DON'T HAVE ANY MORE CARDS.

I SEE A COUPLE HANDS. COMPLAIN ON UP

>>> I'M TIM PIERSON AND I LIVE AT 1496 PAWNEE.

PROBABLY MY BIGGEST CONCERN IS IF YOU LOOK AT THE RED LIGHTS FROM WHERE THE ENTRANCE COMES OUT OF INTO TANGLE WOOD AND THEN YOU GO TO BRANDING BOULEVARD THERE'S NO LEFT TURN SIGNAL.

THERE IS ACCIDENTS THERE ALL THE TIME BECAUSE OF THE PEOPLE TRYING TO GO STRAIGHT ACROSS AND THE CROSSING TRAFFIC FOR

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>> THANK YOU. AND I SAW SOMEONE ELSE.

YES, MA'AM? >> HELLO MY NAME IS NORMA [INDISCERNIBLE] AND 1273 [INDISCERNIBLE] DRIVE.

SO WE BOUGHT THE HOUSE THREE YEARS AGO BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO LIVE IN A HOUSE WHERE TREES ARE GOING TO BE TORN OUT, SO MY QUESTION IS HERE FOR THE CLAY COUNTY DISTRICT.

MY DAUGHTER GOES TO RENTAL RIDGEFIELD IT'S A GREAT SCHOOL BUT WHY IT'S A GREAT SCHOOL IS BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE SO MANY

STUDENTS. >> IS THAT RIDGE VIEW ELEMENTARY

OR HIGH SCHOOL? >> HIGH SCHOOL.

>> SO LIKE THIS GENTLEMAN POINTED OUT ABOUT THE TRAFFIC WHEN WE ARE LEAVING THERE'S NOT AN EXIT SIGN, SO PEOPLE ARE FIGHTING, IT'S MY TURN, IT'S YOUR TURN, ALL THOSE APARTMENTS THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BUILD AND MY PERSONAL OPINION AND MY FAMILY IS NOT A GOOD IDEA. I'M OPPOSED TO THAT ONE

>>> THANK YOU MA'AM. ANYONE ELSE? YES, SIR, COME ON UP. WE'LL GIVE THE APPLICANT A MINUTE TO COME BACK, OKAY? MY NAME IS JAIL HARDEN, I LIVE AT 2828 FRONTIER AVENUE AND I'VE LIVED IN THE IS SUBDIVISION 46 YEARS. MY ISSUE IS THE TRAFFIC AT THE ENTRANCE AND EXIT IS BEHIND AN ABANDONED GAS STATION RIGHT NOW.

NOW IS THE ROAD -- THEY CREATED A ROAD WHEN THEY FILLED IN THE LAND -- OR PUT DIRT ON THE PROPERTY.

MY ISSUE IS THE TRAFFIC AND ALSO NOW YOU'VE INCREASED THE LAND THERE ALONG BRANDING WITH HARD ASPHALT.

AND I CAN SEE THAT THAT'S GOING TO CREATE PROBLEMS WITH FLOODING. MOST OF THE WATER RIGHT NOW THAT COMES INTO THAT WETLANDS THERE IS WAREHOUSES AND THINGS UP FURTHER NORTH ACROSS THE -- THERE ARE SOME WAREHOUSE PEOPLE THERE. RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM ACE HARDWARE. IT'S A BIG STATUTE AREA AND WHEN THAT RAIN -- WHEN IT RAINS HEAVY IT GOES DOWN BEHIND PARALLEL TO BLANDING BOULEVARD AND THEN IT ALL COME DOWN TO TANGLE WOOD AND THEN WHEN THAT RETENTION POND THAT'S BEHIND SOUTH OF TANGLE WOOD BOULEVARD FILLS UP WATER STARTS FILLING UP OUR STREETS SO IT CAN BE IMPASSABLE AT TIMES. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THEM PUT ANOTHER ENTRANCE EXIT ON BRANDING BOULEVARD INSTEAD OF JUST USING TANGLE WOOD AS THE ONLY ENTRANCE EGRESS/ENTRANCE.

AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY >>> THANK YOU, SIR.

ANYONE ELSE? YES, MA'AM?

>> [INDISCERNIBLE] 1482 PAWNEE STREET.

I'M GOING TO REITERATE SOME OF THE THINGS YOU GUYS HEARD.

THE TRAFFIC LIGHT IS AN ABSOLUTELY NIGHTMARE, IF YOU'RE TURNINGL. ON TANGLE WOOD OR LEFT TO GO TO RIDGE VIEW HIGH SCHOOL FROM BRANDING YOU'RE FACING THE CAR IN FRONT OF YOU AND THERE ARE A LOT OF ACCIDENTS CAUSED. SAME WITH THE OTHER DIRECTION, IF YOU'RE CUTTING ACROSS TANGLE WOOD THERE IS NO LEFT TURN LANE LIKE SOME PEOPLE ARE STATED SO THAT'S A HUGE ISSUE.

AS WELL AS THE RETENTION POND, AND THE FLOODING.

YOU GUYS HEARD ABOUT IT SO I'M NOT GOING TO GO ON ABOUT THAT.

ALSO WHO IS THE TARGET I'M WONDERING TO FILL THESE APARTMENTS? WILL IT INCREASE CRIME IN OUR AREA? AND THAT WOULD BE INTERESTING TO KNOW AS WELL. I WOULD SUGGEST NOT HAVING AN ENTRANCE ON TANGLE WOOD BOULEVARD BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE A NIGHTMARE, NOBODY WOULD BE AGE TO GET OUT.

YOU CANNOT TURN RIGHT ON RED DURING SCHOOL HOURS WHEN THE LIGHTS ARE ON. SO HOW WOULD PEOPLE GET TO WORK? THEY WOULD GO THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND PROBABLY SPEED,

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>>> THANK YOU MATCH. WAS THERE ANYONE ELSE?

YES, MA'AM. >> HELLO I'M TANYA WILLIAMS BELL I LIVE AT 361 TANGLE WOOD BOULEVARD DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE PROPERTY, SO I DO HAVE A COUPLE CONCERNS.

I SAW THAT THE ZONING IS FOR VERY LOW-INCOME.

SO I'M CONCERNED ABOUT WHO IS THE TARGETED AUDIENCE, WHAT DOES THAT DO TO OUR PROPERTY VALUE AND SO FORTH.

I'M ANSWER THE ONE WHO LISTENS TO THE DRAG RACING AND THE CARS THAT RAISE UP CAN DOWN TANGLE WOOD, IT'S SAD.

I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THAT ENTRANCE SHOULD THIS GO THROUGH.

I AM VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THAT ENTRANCE.

THE KIDS THAT'S THE WAY THEY WALK.

IT JUST WOULDN'T BE WISE TO HAVE IT IN THE DEVELOPMENT AT ALL.

AND JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO APPROVE SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO DECREASE THE PROPERTY VALUE AND INCREASE THE CRIME RATE AND WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHO THE TARGETEDDED A CONFERENCE IS AND WHAT IS THE EXPECTED RENT

THEY'RE GOING TO IMPOSE. >>> THANK YOU.

NIP ANYONE ELSE I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER MORE CARDS SO I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASK THE APPLICANT IF THEY WANT TO

RESPOND TO ANY OF THAT? >> HELLO AGAIN.

>> I'M GOING TO ASK YOU RIGHT OFF THE BAT TO -- IS THERE A REASON THAT YOU DIDN'T PUT AN ACCESS ON TO BLANDING?

I KNOW THAT'S A STATE ROAD. >> THERE ARE TWO ACCESSES ON

BLANDING, YES, SIR. >> PLUS ONE ON TANGLE WOOD?

>> YES, SIR. >> SORRY, I CAN'T SEE THAT

REALLY WELL FROM HERE, SORRY. >> UNDERSTOOD.

I THINK YES WE ARE PROPOSING THREE.

BEFORE I BEGIN -- >> [INDISCERNIBLE].

>> THANK YOU. >> IF YOU WANT TO GO AHEAD AND -- SORRY TO SPECTRUM SPECTRUM YOU.

>> WOULD NOW BE AN APPROPRIATE TIME TO SPEAK TO EDUCATION OR WERE THERE COMMENTS STAFF WOULD LIKE TO GIVE BEFORE I RESPOND TO

THOSE COMMENTS? >> WOULD YOU LIKE TO GO LANCE?

>> I CAN RESPOND. >> EXCUSE ME I WOULD LIKE TO

HEAR WHAT HE HAS TO SAY FIRST. >> THEN I WILL SPEAK FIRST.

THE FIRST MATTER IS THE CONCERN ABOUT THE WET LANDS AND OUR IMPACT OF THEM. THE PRIMARY REASON WHERE WE ARE REQUESTING THIS USE IS BECAUSE IT LOSES THE PROPERTY TO BE ECONOMICALLY VIABLE, TO I BELIEVE PACT TO WET LANDS IN THE STRAIT OF FLORIDA IS AN EXPENSIVE PROCESS CAN IT IS SIMPLY NOT MIGHT BELY VIABLE FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT.

WE NEED THE PROPOSED APARTMENT NUMBER IN ORDER TO MAYBE THIS WORK ECONOMICALLY AND TAKING OUT THOSE WET LANDS IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN AFFORD TO DO. AS FAR AS PARKING THIS PLAN WAS DESIGNED BY A CERTIFIED LANDSCAPE ENGINEER, WE KNOW IT HAS SUFFICIENT PARTNERING TO MEET THE PARKING DEMANDS OF OTHER APARTMENT COMPLEXES RUN BY THIS DEVELOPER HILL POINT LLC.

NORTHIN TERMS OF SCHOOL KATZ CAPACITY WE KNOW THAT WE WILL NEED TO GET A LETTER OF CAPACITY FROM THE CLAY COUNTY SCHOOL BOARD WHICH WILL DETERMINE THAT THERE IS EXISTING THE CAPACITY AND IF THERE IS NOT WE WILL BE REQUIRED AT THAT TIME TO PAY IN THE EXTRA FEES OR PROVIDE THAT CAPACITY THROUGH THE SCHOOL BOARD SYSTEM AND IF REQUIRED THOSE FEES WILL BE PAID AND THAT AGREEMENT WILL BE ENTERED INTO. CONCERNING THE INTERSECTION OF TANGLE WOOD AND BRANDING BOULEVARD AS I'VE ALREADY STATED THE TANGLE WOOD ENTRANCE IS NOT THE SOLE POINT OF ACCESS.

IN OUR PRELIMINARY PRE-APPLICATION MEETING WHICH WE HAVE HELD WITH FDOT WE KNOW THAT WE LEISURE REQUIRED TO SUBMIT A TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS OF THIS SITE AND THE IMPACT OUR DEVELOPMENT WILL HAVE ON TRAFFIC, PARTICULARLY AT THE TANGLE WOOD AND BRANDING INTERSECTION, AND IF THAT TRAFFIC REPORT FINDS THAT THE INTERSECTION IS INSUFFICIENT TO

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THE FINAL TWO ISSUES I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS, FLOODING, IT WAS MENTIONED THAT THERE'S NO MANY FOR THE WATER TO GO.

THERE IS IN FACT A DIRECTION FOR THE WATER TO GO, THAT WIRED LITTLE NOTCH OUT AND THE LINE THAT RUNS INTO THE NOTCH OUT THAT IS A DRAINAGE DITCH. WE CAN CANNOT IMPACT THAT AND THAT CARRIES THE WATER OFF-SITE ACROSS BRANDING BOULEVARD AND

WILL CONTINUE TO DO SO. >> WHICH WAY ARE WE FLOWING.

>> FLOWS THAT DIRECTION. TOP LEFT CORE CORNER OF YOUR

SCREEN. >> AND WHERE DOES IT GO? DOES IT GO INTO THE RETENTION POND ON THE OTHER SIDE OR -- WHERE IS THAT WATER GOING TO FROM THAT PARTICULAR AREA? ONCE IT CONTROLSES BRANDING? IS IT GOING INTO ANOTHER RETENTION POND OR MORE WET LANDS?

>> INCH INVITE OUR ENGINEER TO SPEAK ON THAT POINT.

>> BECAUSE MY QUESTION WAS GOING TO BE I DON'T SEE ANY RETENTION

POPPEDDED AT ALL. >> I'M THE KP [INDISCERNIBLE].

TO ANSWER YOUR FIRST QUESTION THAT WATER WILL FLOW IN IT CURRENT BASE INTO WHERE IT OUT FALL ULTIMATELY WHICH IS ST. JOHNS RIVER OR THE OCEAN, POTENTIALLY.

WE'RE NOT IMPILEDDING THE FLOW OF THAT WATER.

AS FAR AS RETENTION PONDS THERE ARE TWO RETENTION PONDS ON EITHER SIDE THAT FLANK THAT DITCH ON OUR PROPERTY.

SURE. RIGHT THERE AND RIGHT THERE.

LITTLE BLACK CREEK. >>> SO THAT WOULD BE RETENTION

PONDS THERE IN THOSE AREAS? >> YES, SIR.

>> BECAUSE TO ME IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IT'S CLEARLY MARKED, IT JUST LOOKS LIKE IT'S PART OF THE PARKING LOT.

>> IT'S RETENTION POPPLEDDED THERE.

ACTUALLY I BELIEVE IT IS BIT THAT WAY NOW.

>> YES, THERE ARE EXISTING RETEN PONDS THERE.

>>> I DRIVE BY THIS PROPERTY A LOT AND I I DON'T REMEMBER

SEEING ANY THERE TO BE HONEST. >> THE ONE -- YEAH, THERE IS ONE ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE -- YEAH.

>> THAT ONE? >> YES.

>> WE PROPOSE A SECOND ONE RIGHT HERE.

>>> SHOW IT ONE MORE TIME. THANK YOU.

>> ANYTHING ELSE

>> NO I'M ALWAYS CONCERNED WITH RUNOFF FROM PARKING LOTS, THERE'S A LOT OF POLLUTANTS THAT GO INTO WATER WAYS THAT WAY AND THAT'S A CONCERN. SO WE WILL HAVE TO GET A WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT PERMIT TO DO THAT SO WE'LL BE TREATING THAT

WATER BEFORE IT GOES OFF-SITE >>> THAT'S MY QUESTION

>>> ANYONE ELSE HAD A QUESTION? >> ARE YOU THE APPLICANT IN OKAY, WELL WE'VE CLOSED THE PUBLIC HEARING, SORRY.

I THINK WE'RE DONE. THANK YOU.

>>> ALL RIGHT ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ANYTHING? ANYBODY HAVE QUESTIONS FOR THE

STAFF ON THIS ONE OR -- >>> QUICK QUESTION FOR STAFF.

READING THIS SAYS YOU CAN HAVE RIGHT NOW U.C. TEN HAS A MAX DENSITY OF TEN, HOWEVER THIS ONE CAN GO TO A POSSIBLE OF 20, IS THAT CORRECT? ALMOST DOUBLE THE DENSITY?

>> IT'S 16. >> HOWEVER IF THEY PUT LOW INCOME HOUSING IT CAN RISE UP TO 20.

>> THERE'S A SENIOR -- YEAH THERE IS A POTENTIAL DENSITY

BONUS. >> SO THERE'S A POTENTIAL FOR -- SO WE COULD POSSIBLY DOUBLE THE DENSITY THERE.

>> YOU'RE PROPOSING 192 APARTMENTS.

>> CORRECT IT'S NOT LOW INCOME, IT'S MARKET RATE.

AND I MEAN YOU ALREADY -- SO THEY HAVE A DESIGN FOR 192

APARTMENTS. >> RIGHT AND THEY'RE LESS THAN THE MAXIMUM THAT THEY'RE ALLOW ALLOWED.

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>> LANCE WAS THERE ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANTED TO ADD ON THE

EDUCATIONAL STUFF. >> GOT QUITE A BIT HERE.

FIRST OFF AS FAR AS THE TAXES THE COMMENT ABOUT THE TAXES MY ROLE IS LAND ACQUISITION CON SURGEON CITY ZONING SITE PLANNING IT IS NOT BUDGET HOWEVER I'LL LET YOU KNOW WHAT I KNOW. THE HALF CENT SALES TAX, WE CAN ONLY USE IT FOR NEW GROWTH OR SO I HOPE THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION ABOUT THAT. AS FAR AS CON CON CURRENCY GOES THE ZONED SCHOOLS FOR THAT PARTICULAR PARCEL ARE LAKESIDE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, LAKESIDE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL DOES HAVE CAPACITY. YES IT IS -- I KNOW -- I SEE THEM NODDING THEIR HELD HIDES YES RIDGE VIEW ELEMENTARY SCHOOL IS ACROSS BRANDING HOWEVER LAKESIDE IS ZONE E-ZONED FOR THAT PARCEL. I'M LOOKING AT THE ZONING MAP RIGHT NOW, YES, MA'AM. THAT WILL PRODUCE 20 -- THE QUESTION WAS HOW IS THE IMPACT FOR THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL IT WILL PRODUCE 20 STUDENTS ACCORDING TO THE STUDENT GENERATION RATES FOR THE COY COUNTY, THE JUNIOR HIGH IS LIKE SIDE JUNIOR HIGH SCHOOL AND THERE IS NO CAPACITY AT LAKESIDE JUNIOR HIGH SCHOOL THEREFOR THE STUDENT GENERATION RATE FOR THAT IS FOUR STUDENTS FOR MULTIFAMILY BE THERE IS NO CAPACITY.

AS FAR AS HIGH SCHOOL THAT WILL PRODUCE ABOUT 12 STUDENTS, GENERATION RATESES AND THERE IS NO CAPACITY FOR HIGH SCHOOL.

AS FAR AS IS IT BUSING GOES SINCE IT IS ZONED FOR LAKESIDE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL WE WILL REQUIRE BUSING SO EVEN THOUGH THERE IS CAPACITY AT LAKESIDE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL IT WILL REQUIRE ADDITIONAL BUSING. SO ON THAT.

I WOULD LIKE THE MAKE A COMMENT BUT TO MITIGATE THE WET LANDS IT'S VERY EXPENSIVE FOR DOW YOU TO MITIGATE THE WET LANDS IF WE ARE TO BUILT A SCHOOL WE HAVE TO PAY THAT SAME PRICE SO IT'S EXTREMELY EXPENSIVE FOR US TO MITIGATE WET LANDS ALSO IF WE HAVE TO BUILD SCHOOLS. I THINK THAT ADDRESSES ALL THE QUESTION THAT WERE TO ME. ARE THERE ANYMORE?

>> THANKS, LANCE. ANYTHING ELSE ANYBODY WANTED TO BRING UP? I THINK THAT'S ALL I HAD TOO

SO -- YES MR. GARRISON >>> I WOULDLIKE TO ASK LANCE TO GO BACK THROUGH THE NUMBERS? WHAT FEELS IT 20 ELEMENTARY SCHOOL STUDENTS FOR THE ENTIRE APARTMENT COMPLEX?

>> THAT'S CORRECT, SO WE HAVE A STUDENT GENERATION RATE -- I WAS DOING ANY NUMBERS TO MAKE SURE I WAS CORRECT ON THE STUDENT GENERATION RATES. SEW FOR MULTIFAMILY HOPE IT'S ABOUT .10. IF EVER JUNIOR HIGH STUDENTS THE STUDENT GENERATION RATE FOR MULTIFAMILY IS .021 SO EVERY HUNDRED HOMES IT PRODUCES ABOUT TWO STUDENTS AND FOR SENIOR HIGH IT'S ABOUT .063, THEREFORE FOR EVERY HUNDRED HOMES IT'S ABOUT SIX STUDENTS SO THOSE ARE THE GENERAL RACE RATES FOR MULTIFAMILY AND FOR SINGLE FAMILY IT GOES STANLEY UP WE HAVE GENERAL RACE RATES FOR MOBILE HOME.

>>> ANYONE ELSE? I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON THIS ONE. WE NEED TWO MOTIONS ACTUALLY, WE HAVE TWO ITEMS, THE LAND USE WHICH IS THE CPA AND WHEN WE HAVE THE REZONING SO FIRST WE'LL TAKE CARE THE LAND USE, THAT WOULD BE TO CHANGE THESE TO U.C. 16.

>> INCH MOVE TO SUPPORT THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION TO CHANGE THIS FROM U.C. TEN TO U.C. 16 IS IT

>>> AND DO I GET GET A SECOND IS THIS A SECOND FROM MR. DAVIS, SEEING IN MORE DISCUSSION ALL THOSE IN FAVOR STATE AYE.

ARE THERE ANY OPPOSED? JUST JOE?

>> AND LANCE. >> TWO, LANCE AND MR. ANZALONE.

SO WE'LL TAKE UP THE REZONING CAN THIS IS THE CHANGE IT FROM THE VARIOUS CURRENT ZONINGS TO A PUD.

[01:25:02]

>> AND I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE CHANGING THE ZONING TO A

PUD. >> AND A SECOND?

>> I'LL SECOND. >> AND MR. BOURRE WILL SECOND THAT. ALL THOSE -- I'M SORRY.

I MAY HAVE MISSPOKE. JUST A MOMENT? WHAT'S IT CHANGING TO? RD FOUR, MY MISTAKE.

THANK YOU FOR CLEARING THAT. >> MAKE A MOTION TO CHANGE IT FROM INTERMEDIATE DEMOCRATIC BB TO,D FOUR.

>> AND SECOND. I ACCEPT THE AMENDED MOTION.

>> SO ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF SUPPORTING THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION ON THE ZONING CHANGE STATE AYE.

ANY OPPOSED? SAME TWO ARE OPPOSEED: ALL RIGHT. THAT WILL COME UP NEXT WEEK AT THE BCC. THEIR MEETING IS IN THE SAME ROOM: IT STARTS AT FOUR AND THEY TYPICALLY TAKE UP ZONING AT 5 O'CLOCK. SO WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ONE SO IF YOU ALL WANT THE LEAVE IF YOU'LL DO SO QUIETLY.

I'M GOING TO GO TO FIVE NOW. THE ONE WE ACCEPTED ITEM NUMBER

[5.  Public Hearing to consider DRI-2022-01 and PUD-2022-09. (District 5, Comm. Burke) (E. Lehman)]

>> I DO, YES, SIR. THIS THIS IS TWO ITEMS THIS WILL BE PRESENTATION INITIALLY BY THE APPLICANT WHO IS MR. ROYCE CRAWFORD. AND THEN WE'LL FOLLOW UP WITH

STAFF COMMENTS. >> ALL RIGHT MR. SPONSOR YOU'RE

ON. >> ROYCE CRAWFORD 147.

FIVE OLD ST. AUGUSTINE ROAD IN JACKVILLE.

REPRESENTING THE LAND OWNERS AND THE APPLICANTS, ALSO HERE WITH ME TONIGHT WITH THE LANDOWNER REPRESENTING THE LAND OWNERS IS CHRIS [INDISCERNIBLE]. SO THE REQUEST -- THERE'S A THANK YOU ITEMS THAT WE ARE REQUESTING IN THIS APPLICATION, THERE'S REALLY ONLY ONE SUBSTANTIVE CHANGE AND THAT IS THE RELIME OF GREEN COAST SPRING BYPASS SEGMENT AND THERE'S A FEW OTHER CLEANUP ITEMS, FOR EXAMPLE WE HAVE A CHANGE THE DRI BOUNDARY SINCE THE RIGHT-OF-WAY FOR THE EXPRESS WAY WAS PURCHASED BY DOT AND ALSO SINCE OUR LAST AMENDMENT CLAY COUNTY UTILITY AUTHORITY PURCHASED THE SITE IF A TREATMENT PLANT SITE.

THERE ARE SOME OTHER CHANGES, REVISING THE DEFINITION OF COMMENCEMENT OF CONSTRUCTION TO ADD IN THAT A CONSTRUCTION PERMIT THAT'S ISSUED BY DOT FOR THE INTERCHANGE RAMP CONSTRUCTION WITH THE FIRST COAST EXPRESSWAY AND A BY PASS WOULD ALSO BE CONSIDERED COMMENCEMENT OF CONSTRUCTION SEEING THAT THERE'S A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENT THERE BY THE APPLICANTS TO DESIGN AND PERMIT THAT.

AND THERE'S CHANGE OF EDUCATION COMMISSION JUST TO SIMPLY REFLECT THAT WE'VE DONE A PROPORTION GNAT SHARE OF MITIGATION AGREEMENT AND WE ARE CHANGING OR REDEFINING THE PHASING SO IN THE CURRENT APPROVED DEVELOPMENT ORDER PHASE TWO COULD BE THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE AUTHORITY OR SOUTH PORTION OF THE BYPASS WITH THE REALIGNMENT OF THE SOUTH PORTION WE ARE NOW DEFINING THAT WILL BE THE PHASE TWO I WANT PRIVATE AND THE NORTH PORTION WILL BE THE PHASE THREE IMPROVEMENT, AND THEN WE'VE CHANGED THE SECTION ON TRANSPORTATION IMPACT NEEDS TO REFLECT THE ADOPTION OF THE MOBILITY ORDINANCE.

SO THERE'S NO CHANGE OR INCREASE THIS THE AMOUNT OF EQUIPMENT RIGHTS, THE DRI WAS APPROVED IN 2009 AND AMENDMENTED IN 12TH AND THE MURDER IN THE FIRST DEGREE WAS APPROVED IN 2018.

CHANGES TO THEERER REZONING WILL BE SIMILAR TO REFLECT THE CHANGES TO THE DRI, PRIMARY THE BYPASS SOUTHERN ALIGNMENT.

SINCE THE AMENDMENT IN 2017 THERE'S BEEN A LOT THAT'S OCCURRED REGARDING THE ROADWAY NETWORK.

THE FIRST COAST EXPRESS WAY SHOWN IN BLUE IS NOW UNDER CONSTRUCTION AND PHASE THREE IS FUNDED ALL THE WAY TO INTERSTATE

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THIS IS A CURRENT APPROVED MASTER DEVELOPMENTS PLAN, THE DARK BLACK LINE IS THE BYPASS AS PLANNED INITIALLY AND IN THE INITIAL PLAN FOR THIS BYPASS BUT IT WOULD BE THE THROUGH ROUTE STARVATION 17 SO IT WOULD FORM A BYPASS AND U.S. 17 WOULD TIE INTO IT, SO DOT WANTS TO MAINTAIN U.S. HIGHWAY 17 AS THE THROUGH ROUTE SO THIS CHANGE WILL HELP FACILITATE THIS MOVING ALONG. SO WE --

>> MR. CRAWFORD I JUST WANT TO GO BACK ONE MAP SO I CAN SEE THIS AGAIN. AND THEN THE NEXT ONE? SO BASICALLY RATHER THAN GOING DOWN CAN HITTING 17 WHERE IT DID OR WHERE IT WAS GOING TO IT'S TURNING THROUGH THAT OAK RIDGE DISTRICT AND GOING OUT TO 17? THAT WHAT I'M SEEING?

>> YES. >> SO WE RAN -- WE LOOKED AT A FEW OPTIONS FOR TYING IN THE SOUTH PORTION OF THE BYPASS U.S.

17 AND KEEPING U.S. 17 AS A THROUGH ROAD.

ON IS THIS GRAPHIC YOU CAN SEE THE RED DASH LINE, THE DUAL LINES THAT COME DOWN FROM THE NORTHWEST AND TIE INTO U.S. 17 IS PROBABLY THE LEAST DISRUPTIVE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD THERE THAT WE COULD COME UP WITH AND IT STILL WOULD DISRUPT FIVE PROPERTY OWNERS IN THIS AREA, AND POSSIBLY IN THE FUTURE REQUIRE CONDEMNATION. THE GREEN ON THIS MAP ARE JUST WETLANDS AND FLOOD ZONE CAN THAT'S TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE MORE CONTEXT FOR THE REASON FOR THAT ALIGN.

SO SINCE WE WENT THROUGH THAT EXERCISE THE APPLICANTS HAVE UNDER CONTRACT TO PURCHASE THE PROPERTY THAT'S OFF-SITE BETWEEN COUNTY ROAD 15 A AND U.S. 17 SO WE COULD DO THE REALIGNMENT AND THEY WOULD CONTROL THE LAND FOR THE SOUTH BY PASS FOR THE FUTURE ENTRAIN OVER TO U.S. SYSTEM. THIS MAP IS A LITTLE BUSY BUT THERE'S A COUPLE THING THAT ARE A BENEFIT.

ONE, THE LAND AT 17 AND THE FUTURE BYPASS CONNECTION -- THE LAND SURROUNDING THAT IS CURRENTLY DESIGNATED FOR INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT SO THIS REALIGNMENT WILL HELP UNLOCK THAT LAND FOR REVENUE GENERATING LAND USES AND THE INTERCHANGE TO THE EAST THERE, THE GREEN CROSS HATCH IS CONSERVATION LAND AND THE LIGHTER GREEN LAND THAT'S WETLANDS SO THERE'S VERY LITTLE DEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITY IN THE FUTURE AROUND THAT INTERCHANGE SO HAVING THIS COME IN AT THIS LOCATION PROVIDES BETTER DEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE COUNTY IN THE LONG-TERM, SO THIS THE PROPOSEDDED MASTER DEVELOPMENT MAP WITH THE REVISED ALIGNMENT. THIS SHOWS THE PHASING OF THE REFRESH YOUR RECOLLECTION, THE GREEN WOULD BE THE FIRST PHASE THE ENTRAIN RAMPS AND THE BYPASS CONNECTION IT'S CONNECTION, THE BLUE IS THE PHASE THREE IMPROVEMENT UP TO STATE ROAD 16 AND THE RED WOULD BE A FUTURE FOUR LANCING.

ALONG THAT BYPASS. SO THERE REALLY IS NO CHANGE TO THE MITIGATION NORTH AMERICAN IN TERMS OF THE PHASING THE ONLY CHANGE THE THE ALIGN. TO THE SOUTH BYPASS SO WITH THIS CHANGE I THINK A SIGNIFICANT BETH IS IT AVOIDS DISRUPTION TO

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WITH THAT I'LL ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS

>>> GO BACK ONE SLIDE PLEASE >>> SO YOU WOULD BUILD ON THE SOUTHERN PIECE THERE FROM THE INTERCHANGE.

IS THE CONSTRUCTION GOING TO BE FOUR LANE INITIALLY? OR IT'S TWO LANES IN PHASE TWO AND THEN IN PHASE FOUR IT

BECOMES FOUR LANES? >> THAT'S CORRECT, SO INITIALLY IT WOULD BE TWO LANES THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED AND THEN THERE'S THE POINT IN THE FUTURE PRIOR TO FEY FOUR WOULD NEED TO BE FOUR LANE.

>>> THE SEC BETWEEN 15 AND 17 THAT'S TWO LANES, THAT'S NOT YOUR RESPONSIBILITY OVER TO PUT THE TWO LANES IN IS THIS.

>> CORRECT FROM 15A TO 17. >>> YOU SAID YOU HAD TO PURCHASE THAT RIGHT OF WAY. IS IT ENOUGH TO ACCOMMODATE FOUR

LANES? >> YES, THAT'S STILL PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT ORDER, PROVIDING RIGHT OF WAY FOR FOUR LANES AND COUNTRYING TWO LANES FOR THAT GREEN PORTION.

>>> TO WHEN IT NEEDS TO BE FOUR LANED AT SOME POINT THE RIGHT OF WAY WILL ALREADY BE THERE AT THE.

>>> THAT'S CORRECT. >>> THE BLUE LICENTIOUS THE NORTH ONE THAT WILL BE BUILT IN PHASE THREE?

>> YES PRIOR TO PHASE THREE. >>> THAT WILL GO FROM 16 TO THE

INTERCHANGE. >> TO THE INTERCHANGE.

>>> YOU MIGHT KNOW THIS OR I'M GOING TO ASK STAFF.

IS THE REALIGNMENT OF 315 NORTH TO MEET UP WITH THIS EVER GOING TO HAPPEN? ARE THERE ANY -- I KNOW THAT'S NOT PART OF YOUR PROJECT BUT IT'S ONE OF RYAN HOLD'S PROJECTS, ISN'T IT? ANYBODY KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON

WITH IS THAT. >> UNLESS IT'S CHANGED IT WAS

PART OF THE PETER CREEK PARK PUD >>> THAT'S A CRITICAL PIECE OF GETTING THIS BYPASS DONE IS REA LINING THAT.

ANY QUESTIONS? YES MR. BOURRE.

>>> IF I. I WANT TO CLARIFY ONE THING AND IT SOUNDED LIKE YOU SAID IF THIS REAL ALIGNMENT IS DEVELOPMENTED THERE WILL NOT BE CONDEMNATION REQUIRED.

CONDEMNATION, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT IMMINENT DO MAIN?

>> EMINENT DOMAIN. >> AND MS. CARSON DO YOU WANT

THE ADD YOUR PIECE OF THIS? >> JUST TO REITERATE THIS ISEDLY 2201 AND [INDISCERNIBLE] SO THERE ARE TWO ACTIONINGS NEEDED.

AND RESPONSE TO STAFF CONCERNS EDIT EDIT LAY MONOWORKEDWORKED WITH MR. CRAWFORD ON THIS AND WE HAVE DRAFTED IT TO WHAT YOU'RE SEEING TONIGHT. AS A RESULT STAFF HAS REVISED THE ORIGINAL RECOMMENDATION, YOU RECEIVED BOTH OF THOSE IN THE APPLICATION, WE BELIEVE THE APPLICANT IS ADEQUATELY ADDRESSED THE CONCERNS. WITH THAT STAFF APPROVEED APPROVAL OF THE DEVELOPMENT ORDER.

>> SO WERE THOSE CONCERN THE ONES AROUND THE CREDITS FOR THE INTERCHANGE RAMPS AND ALL, YOU TELL US HOW THATWORKED OUT?

>> I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT WAS REQUESTING MOBILITY CREDITS FOR THE INTERCHANGE AND THIS WOULD NOT QUALIFY FOR CREDITS, THERE

[01:40:01]

>>> AND I THINK THERE'S SOMETHING AROUND THE SCHOOLS TOO, IN THE FIRST VERSE I READ THERE'S SOME CONCERN

>>> I TALKED TO COURTNEY AND I WANTED TO VERIFY THAT THE PROP SHARE MITIGATION AGREEMENT THAT WE HAVE STAYS ON RECORD AND THAT DOES NOT CHANGE AND OBVIOUSLY THE SCHOOL SITES HAVE NOT BEEN CONVEYED BUT THERE ARE TENTATIVE SCHOOL SITES.

>>> THAT'S CORRECT, THERE'VE BEEN NO CHANGES IN THE NUMBER OF UNITS REQUESTED SO THERE IS NO CHANGE TO THE PROP SHARE.

>>> THE EXECUTED PROP SHARES, NO CHANGE.

>> THAT'S CORRECT, NO CHANGE. >>> I ACTUALLY HAD ANOTHER QUESTION BUT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GIVE ME A IN A MOMENT JUST A MOMENT TO LOCATE IT IN THIS DOCUMENT.

IT WAS -- WHEN IT TALKED ABOUT THE PHASING IN TABLE ONE, IT LOOKED TO ME LIKE -- AND I'M SORRY, I'M TAKING JUST A MINUTE TO FIND THIS. THERE'S A PORTION THAT WAS STRUCK ON PARAGRAPH B ABOUT LAND USE CONVERSIONS AND IT SAID THE PLAN SHALL BE MODIFIED IN NECESSARY TO ACCOMMODATE THE CONVERSION AND ANY MODIFICATION THE UPPER MUST FOLLOW THE CRITERIA AND PROCEDURES IN THE LAND DEPUTY CODE CAN THAT WAS STRUNG AND I WANTED THE UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT MEANT.

DOES THAT MEAN THE DEVELOPER CAN DO CONVERSIONS PER THE TABLE WITHOUT HAVING TO COME BACK FOR ANOTHER APPROVAL?

BY STRIKING THAT OUT? >> YES, THAT'S CORRECT.

>> THAT I HAVE A LITTLE CONCERN ABOUT.

BECAUSE THAT TYPICALLY IF YOU START CONVERTING USES IN THE TABLES NORMALLY THAT DEMEANOR BACK FOR A REVIEW AND APPROVAL THAT WE APPROVE THOSE CONVERSIONS AND IT LOOKS LIKE THAT OPPORTUNITY FOR THIS BOARD AND FOR THE BCC TO WEIGH IN ON A CONVERSE GOES AWAY WITH THIS LANGUAGE.

>> WHICH SECTION FOR WERE YOU IN?

>> PARAGRAPH BEEN LAND USE CONVERSIONS IN TABLE ONE AND PROPOSESSED LAND USES AND PHASING, IT'S SECTION ROW ROMAN

NUMERAL SIX. >> IS THAT THE PUD?

>> YES, I KNOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THESE AT THE SAME TIME.

IT TALKS ABOUT THE PHASING IN PARAGRAPH A WHICH IS KIND OF JUST STRETCHING OUT THE DATES BUT BELOW THAT IN B, LAND USE CONVERSES IT LOOKS LIKE WE UNDERSTAND OUT THE SECTION THAT GIVES THE COUNTY, BASICALLY THIS BOARD AND THE BCC THE OPPORTUNITY TO WEIGH IN ON LAND CONVERSIONS.

>>> I SEE THAT. I DON'T REMEMBER WHY THAT WAS TAKEN OUT, I EVER NO PROBLEM LEAVING IT IN I THINK IT GOES WITHOUT SAYING IF WE PROPOSE A LAND USE THAT'S NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE UPPER COB SETTLEMENT PLAN WE HAVE TO COME BACK

>>> WOULD YOU HAVE AN ISSUE LEAVING THAT LANGUAGE IN?

>> NO. >> THAT'S I THINK THE MAIN QUESTION I HAD FOR YOU, THE RE OF IT YOU ALREADY ADDRESSED WHICH WAS STUFF AROUND THE ROADWAYS AND ALL.

WE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THE EDUCATION ISSUE.

REALLY THAT WAS MY CONCERN, THAT ONE STRIKE THROUGH.

>>> THAT'S FINE. >>> ANYONE ELSE?

OKAY. >> THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS. HAVEN'T DONE THAT YET.

I'M GOING TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS.

I DON'T HAVE ANY CARDS ON THIS PARTICULAR ITEM BUT IS THERE ANYBODY HERE THAT WANTS TO SPEAK ON THIS? OKAY, I DON'T SEE ANYONE, I'LL CLOSE THE DISCIPLINING PUBLIC HEARING AND I'M GOING TO BRING IT BACK FOR A MOTION.

I WOULD ASK THAT A MOTION WOULD INCLUDE THE RESTORATION OF THAT

[01:45:05]

LANGUAGE THAT I MENTIONED. >>> YES, SIR, MR. CHAIR I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE UPDATED APPROVAL RECOMMENDATION BY STAFF FOR BOTH THE PUD AS WELL AS THE DEVELOPMENT ORDER FOR GOVERNORS PARK DRI -- WE CAN'T COMBINE

THEM? >> WE HAVE TO DO THE NOTICE OF PROPOSED CHANGE FIRST AND THE LANGUAGE I MENTIONED IN THE PUD.

>>> SO DO YOU WANT TO DO THE PUD FIST OR THE DEVELOPMENT ORDER?

>> YOUR CHOICE. >> I MAKE AMOTION TO APPROVE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION FOR A APPROVAL OF THE PUD WITH THE

LAMMED USE LANGUAGE RING. >>> MR. GARRISON -- ON THAT. COURTNEY ROBE WITH THAT LANGUAGE ? THIS IS --

>>> UNDER FULL DISCLOSURE I NEED TO TELL YOU I WAS CONTACTED BY MR. PUCKHABER AND I TOLD HIM WE WOULD DISCUSS THAT AT THE

MEETING. >> I ALSO RECEIVED A VOICE MAIL FROM MR. PUCKHABER BUT WE WERE NOT ABLE THE CONNECT.

>> I ANSWER RECEIVED A PHONE CALL FROM MR. PUCKHABER AND HE

JUST GAVE INFORMATION TO ME. >>> ANYONE?

>> AGAIN I RECEIVED A PHONE CALL AS WELL JUST TO --

>> I THINK EVERYBODY GOT A PHONE CALL.

I DON'T KNOW WHO ACTUALLY TALKED TO HIM BUT -- EASTBOUND.

ANYONE ELSE? THEN I'LL CALL THE QUESTION ON THE PUD. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR STATE AYE.

ARE THERE ANY OPPOSED? >> THEN MR. CHAIR I'LL MAY RECOLLECT A MOTION TO APPROVE THE DEVELOPMENT ORDER FOR THE

GOVERNORS PARK DUI. >> SECOND.

>> I HAVE A MOTION AND SECONDISM CALL THAT ONE, ALL IN FAVOR STATE AYE. ANY OPPOSED? WE'RE DONE WITH THAT ONE, THANK YOU.

[7.  Public Hearing to consider CPA-2022-16 and PID-2022-10 (District 5, Comm. Burke) (D. Selig)]

>>> THAT LEAVES US ONE OTHER ITEM, ITEM SEVEN WHICH ALSO HAS TWO PARTS TO IT. IT'S A CPA 2022-16 AND A PUD OF 2022-10 AND WE'LL TAKE THESE TOGETHER WITH SEPARATE MOTIONS .

>> SO SIMILARLY TO THE OTHER ITEM THESE WILL BE HEARD DECEMBER 13 BEFORE THE BOARD, 911 THIS THIS IS A SMALL SCALE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN CHANGE AND A RESOLVING APPLICATION.

THE APPLICANT IS MR. JOSH COCHRAN, THE PROPERTY IS ON THE NORTH SIDE OF WEST STATE ROAD 16, THIS IS JUST EAST OF RANDALL ROAD IN GREECECO SPRINGS PLANNING DISTRICT UNDER COMMISSION DISTRICT FIVE, COMMISSIONER BURKE, THINKS ONE PARCEL 1.41 ACRES. THE FUTURE LAND USE CHANGE IS PROPOSED TO CHANGE THE DECEMBER NATION FROM RURAL RESIDENTIAL TO INDUSTRIAL. AND THEN THE REZONING IS TO CHANGE THE ZONING FROM AGRICULTURAL RESIDENTIAL TO PLANNED INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT. THE PARCEL IS OUTLAST, HATCHED IN PLAQUE AND IN YELLOW ON THE AERIAL.

AND THIS ON THE LEFT IS THE EXISTING LAND USE, THERE'S THREE MILES PER HOURS TO THE WEST AND IT'S SURROUNDED BY RURAL RESIDENTIAL AND WE HAVE THE PROPOSED CHANGE TO THE INDUSTRIAL. THIS IS THE ZONING MAP.

THE GREEN IS ALL AGRICULTURAL RESIDENTIAL.

AND THEN THE SUBJECT PARCELS IN THE HATCH AND THEN THE KIND OF ORANGE IS CLAY HIGH. THE SUBJECT -- THE PROJECT WENT THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW COMMITTEE.

THIS WAS THE SITE PLAN THAT WAS PROPOSED AND YOU CAN SEE THE ENTRANCE IS AT THE BOTTOM OF THE SCREEN OFF OF STATE ROAD 16.

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IS RETENTION. >>> CAN I STOP THERE, IF I MAY I POLLED BUT CAN YOU JUST GIVE US A LEVEL OF DETAIL ABOUT THE BUFFER AROUND THE PARCEL, MOSTLY ADJACENT TO THE RESIDENTIAL?

>> CERTAINLY, SO THE BUFFER THAT'S PROPOSED IS A 20-FOOT B BUFFER ALONG THEST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY BETWEEN THE BUILDING AND THE -- THE BB THREE ZONING, COMMERCIAL ZONING NEXT DOOR WHERE THE PARCEL IS ADJACENT TO AG RESIDENTIAL ZONING, THE PROPOSED IS -- THAT'S FROM THIS BACK CORE OF THE BUILDING NORTH ACROSS THE NORTH BACK SIDE OF THE PROPERTY AND ALL THE WAY DOWN THE EAST SIDE OF THE PARCEL THAT'S ALL PROPOSED TO BE A

20-FOOT C BUFFER. >>> AND LET ME JUST ASK A FOLLOW-UP, SO DEFINE WHAT A C BUFFER -- I'M TRYING THE MAKE SURE EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS THE BUFFER THE COMMISSIONERS AND OF COURSE FOLKS, WHAT IS A C BUFFER?

>> YOU KNOW WHAT I'M GOING TO ASK BETH TO GIVE US THE

DEFINITIVE ANSWER ON THAT ONE. >> THANK YOU.

>>> SO WHERE THIS PROPOSED INDUSTRIAL WOULD BE ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL A C TYPE BUFFER WOULD REQUIRE A WALL, ALONG WITH EVERGREEN, CANOPY TREE PLANTINGS AND SHRUBS.

SO HE'S PROVIDED AN ALTERNATIVE WHICH IS A 20-FOOT C WHICH IS INCLUDING A CHAIN LINK INTELLIGENCE WITH THE CANOPY TREE PLANTING AND ADDITIONAL PLANTING IN BETWEEN THE TREE PLANTING JUST TO TRY AND PROVIDE SOMETHING ADDITIONAL TEMPERATURE CHAIN LINK FENCE IS INCLUDING SLAT TO PROVIDE 80 PERCENT OPACITY AS OPPOSED TO THE WALL REQUIREMENT.

>>> THANK YOU. THE BB THREE PARCEL IS CURRENTLY

JAGUAR CONCRETE. >>> SO CORRECT.

SO THE PROJECT WOULD CONSTRUCT AN 8,000 SQUARE FOOT WAREHOUSE BUILDING WITH PARKING SPACE AND A LOADING BAY IN THE REAR.

STAFF LOOKS THROUGH THE CRITERIA, YOU HAVE THEM IN YOUR STAFF REPORT FOR BOTH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND FOR THE REZONING. ONE OF THOSE CRITERIA IS THAT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SPECIFICALLY CALLS OUT FOR THE FUTURE LAND USE, 1.4.1.7 THAT A CHANGE TO INDUSTRIAL HAS TO BE WITHIN THE CHARACTER OF THE SURROUNDING DISTRICT.

IT HAS TO BE COMPATIBLE, SO STAFF'S LOOKED AT THAT AND FELT THAT THAT IS NOT MET. AND THERE ARE SIMILAR TYPES OF CRITERIA FOR REZONING, AND THEY ARE ALSO BASED ON COMPATIBILITY WITH THE SURROUNDING DISTRICT AND AGAIN STAFF HAS LOOKED AT THOSE AND FELT THAT THEY -- IT DOESN'T MEET THAT CRITERIA.

SO AS A RESULT STAFF IS RECOMMENDING DENIAL ON BOTH OF

THE PROPOSED APPLICATIONS. >>> ASK ANOTHER QUESTION.

>> MR. CHAIR I APPRECIATE IT T. I'M SORRY FOR ASKING SO MANY TONIGHT. THE RECOMMENDATION FOR DENIAL IS BASED ON COMPATIBILITY ONLY OR AND ALSO DEALING WITH THE WALL?

>> IT'S A COMPATIBILITY ISSUE. >> SO THE WALL IS ACCEPTED WITH

A GOOD OPTION. >> IT'S A POTENTIAL OPTION,

RIGHT. >> THANK YOU.

>> THAT LEVEL IS NOT PART OF THE CRITERIA OF -- YEAH OF

COMPATIBILITY. >>> SAY THAT LAST PART AGAIN.

THAT LEVEL -- >> THE WALL IS NOT PART OF THE CRITERIA POINTS THAT ARE CALLED OUT.

[01:55:03]

THROUGH THOSE LISTS OF CRITERIA. >>> ANYONE ELSE? I'M GOING TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

I'M GOING TO ASK THE APPLICANT IF THEY'RE HERE.

DO YOU WANT THE COME ON UP? >> GOOD EVENING, YOUR ROCK RELATE, THE APPLICANT ON BEHALF OAF THIS COMPANY.

GIVE YOU SOME BACKGROUND ON THE COMPANY, THE COMPANY'S HAS BEEN AROUND SINCE NOBODY 83, IT'S R ANDJ ENTERPRISES LOCATED AT REYNOLDS PARK, THE BUSINESS WAS ESTABLISHED IN 1983 BY A CLAY COUNTY RESIDENT, THE CURRENT OWNER PURCHASED IT IN 2005 AND HE DOES RESIDE HERE IN CLAY COUNTY AND IS LEASING PROPERTY AT THE CURRENT LOCATION WHICH IS IN RE KNOLLEDS PARK.

PREVIOUS TO 2005 THE COMPANY WAS IN JACKSONVILLE TO WE WERE GRATEFUL TO HAVE IT MOVE HERE IN OFFENSIVE.

THE COMPANY ASSEMBLES AQUARIUM STANDS FOR YOUR FISH TANKS, LUXURY FISH TANKS, CABINETRY THAT YOU MAY SEE, DOCTOR'S OFFICES AND HOMES. THE FISH STANDS ARE PRODUCED OR ASSEMBLINGED AND SHIPPED OUT SO FORTH SO IT'S GREAT TO HAVE I IT'S ONE OF THE FEW COMPANY IN THE STATE THAT DOES FISH AQUARIUMS. THE OWNER MR. TYLER LOOKING TO AN OPPORTUNITY TO CONTINUE HIS BUSINESS IN THE COUNTY, HE HAS ALLISES LIKE I MENTIONED. BETWEEN I FACILITATION AND RENT GOING UP AND SO FORTH HE FOUND THE OPPORTUNITY TO PURCHASE A PIECE OF PROPERTY HERE ON 16 WHICH AS SOMEONE THAT'S ALREADY FAMILIAR WITH THE MIGHT BE DEVELOPMENT IN THIS DO COUNTY 16 IS A PRIME AREA THAT I DO SEE IN THE FUTURE BECOMING AND I BELIEVE IN CONVERSATION WITH STAFF BEEN THAT FOUR LANE HIGHWAY, THE BELT WAY SO I DO SEE IT BECOMING AN AREA PRIME FOR WAREHOUSING FOR EXAMPLE. SO MR. TYLER PURCHASED THIS PROPERTY AND AT ONE POINT IN TIME PRIOR TO COVID HAD OVER 15 EMPLOYEES AND NOW HE'S DOWN TO THREE OR FOUR AND HERE'S HOPING BY BUILDING AN 8,000 SQUARE FOOT WAREHOUSE HERE TO A PROPERTY IN WHICH HE CAN CONTINUE STAYING STAYING IN CLAY COUNTY BECAUSE WE HAVE A LACK OF WAREHOUSE SPACES IN CLAY, IF YOU'RE NOT FAMILIAR WE DO LACK THIS, IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE ONE THAT'S GOING TO BE READY FOR HIM TO MOVE INTO AND GET BACK UP TO TEN TO 12 EMPLOYEES. SO ON TOP OF THAT PRIOR TO COVID HE WAS DOING OVERA MILLION DOLLARS IN REVENUE AS A SMALL BUSINESS HERE AND THAT'S PRETTY INCREDIBLE CONSIDERING HOW SMALL HE IS BUT THIS PROJECT HERE GOING FORWARD IS CONSISTENTING OF A STORAGE WAREHOUSE, AS I MINGED FOR THESE CABINET SYSTEMS AND ACCESSORIES. THEY'LL BE STORED AND LOADED ON TO DELIVERY TRUCKS THAT ACCESS THE REAR.

AND TO REMIND YOU FOR ABOUT YEAR NOW I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH STAFF ON THIS PROJECT, AND I'LL TELL YOU A LITTLE BIT -- THE REASON WE'RE HAVING TO GO TO INDUSTRIAL ROUTE -- I'LL GET TO THAT IN A SECOND, SO WE HAVE THE TRUCKS ACCESSING THE THROUGH THE REAR IT HAVE BUILDING AND MASONRY WALLS ARE VERY EXPENSIVE ESPECIALLY DURING THIS TIME, DOING THE 80 PERCENT OPACITY AND 30 ON CENTER TREES WITH THE ADDITIONAL UNDERSTORY TO HELP WITH THAT, AS FOR THE TRUCKS THEY'LL COME IN AFTER 5:00 P.M.

UP TO TWO TIMES A WEEK. THIS WILL RESULT IN LEVEL TO NO INCREASED TRAFFIC. WE HAVE A STORM WATER MANAGEMENT FACILITY AT A RETAINS AND TRIEDS ALL ON-SITE DRAINAGE AND THEN TALKING ABOUT THE OTHER USES NEARBY, THERE ARE SOME PROPERTIES THAT ARE VACANT, THIS WAS A PIECE OF A LARGER PARCEL IF YOU CAN GO BACK TO THE PIECE OF THE LARGER ONE YOU CAN SEE

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>> IT'S DESIGNED TO KEEP FROM THE CREATION OF A STRIP, A COMMERCIAL STRIP SO THE INFILL HAD TO BE BORDERED BY THE SAME PARCEL BY A COMMERCIAL PARCEL AND NOT BE A HOP SKETCH KIND OF

THING. >> SO IDEALLY I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE GONE COMMERCIAL SINCE THERE ARE ADJACENT USES SIMILAR AND GOING TO THE BB ROUTES BUT UNFORTUNATELY WE DON'T HAVE COMMERCIAL TO THE WEST WITHIN 500 FEET OF THIS PARCEL SO I DID HAVE TO GO TO THE THE INDUSTRIAL ROUTE IN ORDER TO HAVE THE WAREHOUSE AND I DID LIMIT IT TO THE WAREHOUSE USE, I WORKED WITH STAFF GREATLY. ORIGINALLY WE HAD PARKING IN THE BACK, STAFF CAME TO THE SAME PAGE AFTER NUMEROUS MEETING TO HAVE THE TRUCKS COME TO THE BACK, SO THEY'RE NOT IN EYE VIEW OF THE ROAD AND THE BUILDING AND THE SET BACKS IN ORDER FOR THIS PROJECT TO WORK, SO I HAD BEEN WORKING WITH STAFF FOR OVER A YEAR NOW. AGAIN WE TALK ABOUT COMMERCIAL AND THE NEED FOR COMMERCIAL GROWTH HERE AND HERE WE HAVE A LONG TIME RESIDENT, A PRODUCER OF THESE CABINETRY THAT IS LOOKING TO FINALLY OWN, HAVE HIS OWN PLACE AND GO TO THE NEXT STAGE OF HIS DEVELOPMENT AND STAY IN CLAY COUNTY AND TO CONTINUE PRODUCING JOBS, SO AS AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPER MYSELF I HAVE TO DO DUE DILIGENCE TO KEEP THESE BUSINESSES HERE.

PEOPLE ARE STILL MOVING HERE AND LOOKING FOR JOBS AND I THINK THIS IS THE RIGHT AREA FOR A FACILITY LIKE THIS

>>> DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING ELSE? >> THAT'S IT MR. CLAIM FOR NOW

>>> I'M JUST CRIERS WILL COCK RELATE SO CAN YOU OR DOE DID I EXPLAIN THE COMMERCIAL ZONING PIECE TO ME? IF YOU HAVE THREE PARCEL TO THEST THAT ARE COMMERCIAL THAT ABUT THIS PARCEL WHERE CAN'T WE -- THAT WOULD BE A CONFORMING USE WHY WOULDN'T YOU BE ABLE TO DO COMMERCIAL THERE?

>> BECAUSE IT STARTS THIS STRIP PATTERN.

>> SO IF HE WAS OUTSIDE THE 500 FEET THEN IT WOULD BE OTHER

OH OKAY. >> THERE'S NOTHING 500 FEET THIS WAY THAT'S COMMERCIAL AND APPARENTLY WHAT'S IN THE CODE IS TRYING TO PREVENT THIS GOING COMMERCIAL AND THIS GOING AND PRETTY SOON YOU'VE CREATED THIS STRIP.

>> THIS IS PART OF THE COMP HELPSIVE PLAN TO PREVENT URBAN SPRAWL SEVEN AND DOWN JOSH THOROUGHFARES.

>>> THAT'S WHAT'S IN THE CODE WHETHER OR NOT YOU AGREE WITH IT

>>> YOU WERE JUST ASKING FOR THE CODE EXPLANATION.

ANYONE ELSE? >> I'M SORRY I HAD ONE FOR THE APPLICANT TOO. SO CAN THIS ISN'T NECESSARILY IN OUR PURVIEW I'M JUST CURIOUS SO ASSUMING THIS IS APPROVED AND

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>> MINE SOCIAL IT'S ASSEMBLAGE. >>.

>> I WOULD LIKE TO -- AND I'M SURE YOU WOULD TOO AN ATTRACTIVE FACILITY, IF YOU SEE WHAT'S NEXT DOOR IT'S NOT ATTRACTIVE SO HAVING SOMETHING NEW THERE IT WILL BE VISUALLY ATTRACTIVE T.

I BROUGHT ROUGH CONCEPTUAL IMAGE AND IT IS DEFINITELY BETTER THAN WHAT'S IN THAT AREA AND IT DOES NOT EVEN SHOW THE FULL IDEA BUT -- LYME I DID HAVE A QUESTION WHEN YOU MENTIONED THE TRUCKS COMING AND GOING, HOW LATE INTO THE NIGHT IS TRUCK

TRAFFIC LIKELY TO BE ON THIS? >> CERTAINLY.

HAPPY THE ANSWER THAT, AS MENTIONED YOU'RE LOOKING AT UP TO TWO TRUCKS A WEEK COMING IN AROUND FIVE O'CLOCK OR SHORTLY THEREAFTER AND BEING PRESENT IN THE BACK OF IS IT BUILDING LOADING FOR ABOUT 15 TO 30 MINUTES AND THEN LEAVE SO THERE'S EC IDLING AFTER HOURS; VERY MINIMAL TRAFFIC OTHERWISE,

SCHOOL WILL ALREADY BE LET OUT. >>> WE MIGHT HAVE MORE QUESTIONS

FOR YOU >>> I'LL STAND BY FOR YOU

>>> I HAVE A COUPLE. >>> GOOD PETE.

>> SO THERE IS A DEGREE OF MANUFACTURINGERING WITHIN THE

WAREHOUSE. >>> ASSEMBLAGE IF THAT'S DIFFERENT WORDING IN THE CODE BECAUSE I KNOW THERE IS IN THE COMMERCIAL ZONING AGAIN IF I COULD HAVE GONE THAT ROUTE, CABINETRY AS WELL AS WAREHOUSE SO I WOULD LABEL IT CABINETRY.

>>> THE OTHER QUESTION IS WHAT SIZE TRUCK ARE WE TALKING ABOUT?

SEMIS, 18-WHEELERS? >> JUDGING BY THE PICTURE HERE AND HAVING TO SET UP THE TURN AROUND -- WORKING WITH STAFF CAN THEY HAVE THEY ARE TERMINOLOGY, LOOKS LIKE A SEMI COMEING IN.

>>> IS THAT IT PETE? >> LET ME BRING IN -- I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. I ONLY HAVE THIS ONE CARD T.

MICHAEL PONT? YES, SIR COME ON UP.

>>> GOOD EVENING MY NAME IS MIKE PONT I LIVER AT 4930 EVERRINGTON ROAD, AND I GUESS A COUPLE THINGS HAS BEEN ADDRESSED, ANSWERED SO FAR. I GUESS WE ARE DOING A PID,

ISN'T THAT CORRECT BECAUSE. >> CORRECT.

>> BECAUSE THAT HAS SOMETHING TO DO WITH TWO REST OF THE QUESTIONS AND PART OF THAT WAS ADDRESSED AS WELL ABOUT THE VISUAL BUFFERS AND THAT KIND OF STUFF WITH A --

>> DID YOU GET A COPY OF THE BUILDING?

>> I DIDN'T GET THAT. THE A PID DEVELOPMENTS AND I GUESS THERE ARE ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS FOR THE BUFFERS AND EVERYTHING WHICH IT LOOKS TO ME LIKE FROM A WHAT HAVE SAID HERE THEY'RE -- PLANNING COMMISSION OR -- OVER HERE.

PLANNERS ARE BACKING OFF FROM WHAT IS REQUIRED BY THE CODE WHICH THE 30-FOOT -- WELL TREES EVERY 30 FEET AND SIX-FOOT CONCRETE WALL AND LANDSCAPE -- LOW LANDSCAPE BUFFERING FOR AN INDUSTRIAL ABUTTING RESIDENTIAL, AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT -- THERE'S TWO OTHER PROPERTIES ASSOCIATED WITH THIS THAT ARE -- THERE'S POTENTIAL PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT UNDER THIS PID FOR THOSE TWO AS WELL. NOT DOWN -- DOWN THE ROAD

POTENTIALLY. >> POTENTIALLY, NOT IN THIS ONE.

>> AND THAT'S MY QUESTION, DO THEY HAVE TO COME BACK BEFORE PLAN AND GO THROUGH THE WHOLE NINE-YARD LINE YARDS THE OH THING IN THE ZONING AND LAND USE REGULATIONS IF THERE IS PHASES

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I GUESS ONE THING THAT WAS POINTED OUT EARLIER ABOUT THE NONCONFORMING STUFF WITH EVERYTHING ELSE BEING AROUND THERE BEING AR AND I ONLY GOT 12 SECONDSES BUT THE REASON I'M INTERESTED IS ONCE YOU START THIS DOMINO EFFECT, YOU MEET YOUR FIVE THINGS AND EVENTUALLY IT WILL BE ALL UP AND DOWN 16.

MY PROPERTY IS BACK OFF 16 BY 300 FEET BUT THE PROPERTIES THAT ARE IN FRONT OF ME ON 16 I CAN SEE THEM ALL LINING UP TO BE

COMMERCIAL DOWN THE ROAD. >>> OKAY, THANK YOU, SIR.

YOU'RE WELCOME. >> ANYONE ELSE? YES, MA'AM? I DON'T HAVE A CARD FOR YOU TO YOU HAVE TO GIVE US YOUR NAME AND DAUGHTER AND SON.

>> I'M SORRY, I HAVEN'T SURE I WOULD MAKE IT TONIGHT SO --

WE'RE GLAD YOU GOT HERE. >> MY NAME IS SUSAN WELL.

, I LIVE AT 3749 RANDALL ROAD AND I ALSO OWN THE PROPERTY AT 1934 STATE ROAD 16 WEST SO IT'S JUST A FEW PARCELS OVER FROM THIS PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT. I'M REALLY HERE MORE ON A FACT FINDING MISSION THAN ANYTHING ELSE BECAUSE WE DO LIVE SO CLOSE IN THE AREA, MY PARENTS HAVE PROPERTY THERE.

THEY'VE LIVED THERE MORE THAN 60 YEARS, I GREW UP IN GREEN COVE SPRINGS SO THAT WHOLE AREA THERE IS KIND OF PERSONAL TO ME.

SO I WAS INTERESTED -- I'M NOT SURE IF I'M OPPOSED OR IN FAVOR OF, MORE CONCERNED ABOUT THE TRAFFIC ON THAT CORNER AS EVERYBODY KNOWS, THAT CORNER HAVING TO BE THE CONVENIENCE STORE, PEOPLE COMING IN AND OUT OF RANDALL, PEOPLE COMING IN AND OUT OF THE CONVENIENCE STORE, PEOPLE GOING EAST AND WEST ON HIGHWAY 16, KIDS WALKING EVERY MORNING AND EVERY AFTERNOON TO AND FROM SCHOOL. IS THAT CORNER REALLY CONCERNS ME. SO I HOPE THAT WHATEVER YOU ALL CHOOSE TO DO YOU GIVE SERIOUS SINCERE ATTENTION TO THE FACT THAT THAT IS NOT -- IT MAY BE OUTSIDE OF THE CITY LIMITS AND IT MAY BE CONSIDERED RURAL AND MAYBE MOST OF THAT PROPERTY IS AGRICULTURAL BUT YOU MIGHT BE SURPRISED HOW BUSY IT IS RIGHT THERE. IT'S SO BUSY IN FACT PARKING ON BOTH SIDES OF THAT INTERSECTION HAS JUST ABOUT ELIMINATED ANY KIND OF GRASS ON EITHER SIDE OF THE ROAD.

WE HAVE SAND TRUCK ASKS SEMIS GOING UP AND DOWN ON 16 AND A LOT OF TIME THEY WANT TO STOP AT THAT CONVENIENCE STORE OR THERE WILL BE CONGESTION THERE, SO I HOPE WHEN YOU CONSIDER THESE THINGS I'M PROBABLY BEATING A DEAD HORSE BECAUSE EVERYONE HAS COMPLAINED ABOUT THE TRAFFIC BUT SERIOUSLY THIS MAY BE OUTSIDE THE CITY LIMITS OR OUTSIDE OF WHAT YOU WOULD CONSIDER A BUSY INTERSECTION BUT IT REALLY IS AND I HOPE THAT YOU WILL ALL GIVE CONSIDER FOR THAT. I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO LEARN ABOUT WHAT TYPE OF VEHICLE WOULD BE COME IN AND OUT THERE, HOW THEY HUSBAND AND WIFE MIGHT HAVE A TURN AROUND, THAT'S CRUCIAL, OTHER I MIGHT BE ANGRY BUT I'M NOT ANGRY BECAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE TRYING TO GIVE CONSIDERATION TO THOSE ISSUES. A BIG RIG BACKING OUT OF 16 16 TO LEAVE? I DON'T CARE WHAT TIME OF DAY IT IS, THEY'RE GOING A LOT FASTER THAN THE SPEED LIMIT.

SO I DON'T KNOW IF TRAFFIC LIGHT MIGHTS HELP REDUCE THAT OR WIDENING OF THE RON ROADS OR ANY OF THOSE OTHER CONSIDERSES BUT I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO EXPRESS MY CONCERNS TO YOU AND TO COME AND LEARN MORE ABOUT WHAT WAS PROPOSEDDED.

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>>> IS THIS THE INTERSECTION WHERE IT GOES FROM FOUR LANES TO TWO LANES? NO IT'S NOT?

>> IT GOES FROM TWO TO THREE. IT'S RIGHT THERE CROSSING THE

HIGH SCHOOL. >> IS 162 LANES IN FRONT OF THE

HIGH SCHOOL? >> YES.

AND IT COMES DOWN TO TWO OR TWO AND A HALF OR WHATEVER IT'S

CALLED. >> BUT NOT AT RANDALL ROAD.

>> NO. >> OKAY.

THAT'S OKAY, WE GOT IT, HE KNOWS.

THANK YOU. I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER CARDS ON THIS. SO I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC

HEARING ON THIS ONE. >> I HAVE A FEW COMMENTS.

>> GO AHEAD. >>> THAT LITTLE BLOCK THERE, THAT -- I'M I MISSED YOUR LAB LAST NAME -- MRS. WELCH,S THAT AN EXTREMELY BUSY SPOT THERE AND I DON'T KNOW IF THE COUNTY IS PUTTING DIRT THERE BUT SOMEBODY GOES AND PUTS DIRT DOWN SO YOU HAVE SEMIS PARKED AND DUMP TRUCKS AND EVERYTHING ELSE AND COUNTIES VEHICLES ARE CONTANTLY GOING THROUGH THERE, WHICH IS WHAT YOU'RE COMMENTING ON SO TO ME THIS ADDITION OF THE WAREHOUSE ISN'T GOING TO INCREASE IT -- IT'S ALREADY BUSY;S THE AN EXTREMELY BUSY THOROUGHFARE.

THE LITTLE -- WE'LL CALL IT A NUANCE IN THE CODE WHERE YOU CAN'T -- I CAN'T QUITE GET THAT BUT YOU HAVE THE CONVENIENCE STORE THERE AND JACKSON CONCRETE WITH A LOT OF EMPLOYEES, IT IS A VERY BUSY LOOKING PLACE AND IT'S A CONCRETE FACILITY AND IF ANYTHING, THIS BUILDING IS BUILT COMPARABLE TO THIS RENDERING IT WOULD BE AN ENHANCEMENT TO IT. MY CONCERN ARE THERE RESIDENTS LIVING THERE BUT IT'S LIKE ALL THE REST OF THE COUNTY.

IT'S GOT LOG TRUCKS AND DUMP TRUCKS RUNNING UP AND DOWN IT AND TO KEEP A GUY WHO IS AING LONG TIME TENANT HERE IN THE COUNTY A JOB PRODUCING GUY I WOULD SUPPORT THIS BUSY BEING LOCATED THERE SO I WOULD BE OPPOSED TOE THIS DENIAL.

>>> JUST SOME COMMENTS. MY CONCERN CENTERS AROUND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THAT INVOLVES URBAN SPRAWL.

IF THE LONG RANGE PLAN OF THE COUNTY IS TO COMMERCIALIZE 16 GANG BACK TOWARDS GREEN COAST SPRINGS THEN THIS IS IT, THINGS ONE WAY TO MAKE IT WORK BUT IF THAT'S NOT THEN ADDING ALBEIT IT IS AN INDUSTRIAL SITE IT DOES TAKE ITS OFF THE AR REGISTER WHICH OPENS THE DOOR TO THE PLOT TOTTERINGS OF IT, WELL WHY NOT ME AND WHY NOT ME DOWN THE ROAD SO THAT'S MY CONCERN IS WHETHER OR NOT ARE WE GOING TO BE ABLE TO PROTECT THAT CORRIDOR FROM

URBAN SPRAWL IF WE APPROVE THIS >>> ANYONE ELSE?

>> I THINK THAT'S A VALID ARGUMENT, THAT'S A GREAT DEBATE TO HAVE AND AT SOME POINT SOMEBODY'S GOT TO MAKE SOME DECISION ARE WE GOING TO ALLOW THIS GROWTH TO HAPPEN OR NOT ALLOW IT TO HAPPEN AND BEING THIS THE MIGHT BE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FRAME OF MIND I THINK WE WOULD ALLOW THIS.

>> I'M NOT OPPOSES TO COMMERCIALIZING THAT AREA THROUGH THAT IT JUST NEEDS TO BE PLANNED IN ORDER TO PREVENT STRIP MALLS AND GAS STATIONS AND DYING BUSINESSES AND GROWING BUSINESSES AND ALL THAT CRAP WE SEE ON BLANDING BOULEVARDMENT SOMEBODY NEEDS TO GET THEIR ARMS AROUND IT TO MAKE IT WORK AND

MAKE IT LOOK NICE. >>> THE PS ONE PARCEL THAT'S ON THE BACK CORNER OF THIS; IS THAT A DAYCARE? WHAT IS THAT? DO WE KNOW?

WHY IS THAT PS ONE? >> I'M NOT SURE.

>> I'M GOING TO ASK THE NEIGHBORS THEN TEXAS DO Y'ALL

KNOW WHAT WHAT'S ON THERE? >> I THINK IT'S RESIDENCE.

>> SOMEBODIED THAT A HAD A CHILD CARE OR SOMETHING AT SOME POINT.

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IT IS A PID SO WE NEVER KNOW WHAT A GOING TO HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE. IF THIS GUY GOES BANKRUPT NEXT YEAR WE'LL HAVE A PIECE OF INDUSTRIAL PROPERTY BUT WHOEVER COME IN TO DO SOMETHING WITH IT HAS TO TELL US WHAT THEY WANT TO

DO WITH IT. >> WELL THE PID DOCUMENT LISTS THE USES, AND MOST OF THOSE ARE -- WELL THEY REALLY COME FROM THE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL USE LIST SO YOU WOULD WANT TO LOOK AT THAT BEFORE YOU MAKE A DECISION BECAUSE IT DOESN'T COME BACK TO YOU. IF IT'S ONE OF THOSE USES THEY'RE NOT CHANGING THE LANDSCAPING OR THE BUILDING THEN

IT DOESN'T COME BACK TO YOU. >> I JUST HAVE CONCERN ABOUT DROPPING THIS IN THE MIDDLE OF A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD TO PETE'S POINT WITHOUT A LOT OF PLANNING.

I'M A LITTLE -- THE THING ABOUT THE COMMERCIAL,ABOUT HAVING TO HAVE ANOTHER COMMERCIAL TO PREVENT THIS STRIP THAT ACTUALLY MAKES SENSE BUT IT WASN'T TOO MANY MONTHS AGO WE PUT A COMMERCIAL ON 220 WITH NOTHING ELSE AROUND IT AND I DON'T REMEMBER THERE BEING A LOT OF OBJECTO THAT.

CIVIL PROBABLY OPPOSE THIS EVEN THOUGH I THINK OVER ALL IT'S A GOOD IDEA. SO DOES ANYBODY WANT TO MAKE A

MOTION? >> I HAVE A COMMENT.

I THINK BOTH BILL AND PETE MAYBE VALID POINTS BUT LOOKING DOWN THE ROAD AS A PLANNING COMMITTEE THERE'S GOING TO BE AN ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF RESIDENTS GOING IN IN THIS PARTICULAR AREA OF THE COUNTY AND IF THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAYBE EXPAND MAYBE A LITTLE BIT MORE OF THAT PARTICULAR AREA INTO A BUSINESS AREA OR BUSINESS ZONE IT WOULD KEEP AND START TO POTENTIALLY KEEP MORE BUSINESS AND JOB IN OUR COUNTY VERSUS PEOPLE HAVING TO LEAVE FROM WHERE THE PARK IS GOING TO DEVELOP TO GO INTO JACKSONVILLE OR ST. JOHNS COUNTY SO I DON'T SEE THIS AS A TOTAL NEGATIVE. I'M NOT CRAZY ABOUT THE ZONING MUCH LIKE YOU FEEL RALPH BUT AT THE SAME TIME IF THIS IS THE ONLY AVENUE -- THE GENTLEMAN HAS BEEN WORKING THIS THE COUNTY FOR A LONG TIME. WANTS TO STAY IN THE COUNTY AND AS A BUSINESS OWNER MYSELF AND THE INCREASE IN RENTS THAT I'VE HAD TO PAY I UNDERSTAND THE POLITE THIS PARTICULAR GENTLEMAN MIGHT BE GOING THROUGH SEW I'M GOING TO BE KIND OF LIKE BILL ON THIS THING I'M GOING TO GO AGAINST WHAT THE STAFF REPORT

SAYS >>> TO PETE'S POINT I PULLEDDED UP THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP AND THAT LITTLE SECTION IS A COMMERCIAL NODE IF YOU WILL, ADMITTEDLY WE WOULD BE EXPANDING

THAT >>> I THINK YOUR APPLICANT WANTS TO SPEAK. COME ON BACK UP.

>>> I WANTED TO MENTION WITH THE PID IF YOU LOOK AT THE USES I PUT IN THERE I LIMIT LIMITED IT TO WAREHOUSE.

I THINK I PUT ASSEMBLY IN THERE IF SOMEONE WANTS TO HAVE MEETINGS, I REALLY LIMITED THE USES SUBSTANTIALLY BUT EVEN TO CHANGE THE USES; IF HE GOES BELLY-UP AND SOMEONE ELSE WANTS YOU TO GET AN AMENDMENT TO THAT P SIXTHD, SO I DO WANT THE POINT THAT OUT AND SAY SAME THING WITH THE SITE PLAN, THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK TO YOU AND I BELIEVE IT'S CERTAIN PERCENTAGE.

WE BASICALLY TOOK OUT ALMOST EVERYTHING.

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>> DO YOU HAVE IT WITH YOU AND GO THROUGH THAT?

>> WE LITERALLY TRIED TO LIMIT THIS TO -- I REMEMBER SITTING DOWN WITH YOU MIKE AND TELLING YOU LET'S TAKE OUT STUFF.

SO MAYBE I'M INCORRECT, THERE ARE SOME USES IN THERE BUT I'M WILLING TO CHANGE ANY THAT YOU SEE WOULD NOT BE APPROPRIATE.

>>> I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A LIST OF WHAT IS IN THERE

>>> I CAN READ THEM TO YOU MR. CHAIRMAN IF YOU WOULD LIKE

FOR THE RECORD. >>> MAY I READ IT.

>> GOING TO GO AHEAD.

>>> I FOUND IT WHILE YOU WERE READING IT TOO.

>> SO AGAIN WE PUT SIMPLE STUFFER THAT WOULDN'T BE CONTROVERSIAL BUT THEN THERE'S THAT 300 FEET NEXT TO

RESIDENTIAL THAT WOULD LIMIT. >>> SO I'M WILLING TO TAKE STUFF OUT TO PLEASE THE COMMISSION BUT . . .

>>> WE'LL SEE HOW THE VOTE GOES. I WILL -- THANK YOU.

AND I WOULD STILL SAY THAT I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT THIS.

IF THIS WAS A MORE OF A P ISSUINGD WITH A SPECIFIC USE TO THIS, THIS ONE USE WHERE THE APPLICANT WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK AND ASK FOR A CHANGE -- THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS THAT CAN BE DONE IN HERE THAT CAN BE DETRIMENTAL TO A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD, SO I THINK WE SHOULD JUST MOVE FORWARD WITH THE MOTION AND SEE WHERE WE'RE AT.

>>> I MANGE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE REQUEST TO CHANGE

THE ZONING TO -- >>> THE LAND USE.

>>> WE HAVE THE START WITH THE LAND USE GYRE CHANGE THE LAND

USE TO INDUSTRIAL LAND USE. >>> OKAY, CAN I GET A SECOND?

>> I'LL SECOND. >>> SO MR. GARRISON MAKES A RECOMMENDATION CONTRARY TO THE STAFF TO CHANGE THE PARCEL TO INDUSTRIAL AND MR. ANZALONE IS A SECOND.

IS THERE ANY MORE DISCUSSION ON THAT?

>> ONLY LIKE TO HIGHLIGHT THAT THAT LIST USE UNDER PID IS PRETTY HEALTHY AND ANY OF THOSE THAT HAPPEN OCCUR WOULD SIGNIFICANTLY CHANGE THE IDEA THAT YOU'RE ONLY GETTING TWO

TRUCKS A WEEK. >> KEEP IN MIND WE'RE JUST DOING

THE LAND USE WITH THIS MOTION. >> I UNDERSTAND BUT I'M GETTING THAT OUT THERE BECAUSE WE GET PAST THIS HURDLE THIS NEXT ONE

WILL BE EASIER. >> ANYONE ELSE? SO A YES VOTE IS TO SUPPORT CHANGING THE LAND USE TO INDUSTRIAL. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR STATE AYE.

ARE THERE OPPOSED? SO THE CHAIR AND MR. DAVIS ARE

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>> MAKE A MOTION TO CHANGE THE ZONING TO THE PID.

HOWEVER I THINK IT IS WISE TO TAKE THE APPLICANT UP ON THEIR OFFER TO LIMIT THE SCOPE AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S

ABAPPROPRIATE PREMOTION OR. >> I THINK WE NEED TO REWRITE THIS WHOLE THING WHICH PROBABLY ISN'T IN OUR BEST INTERESTS.

YOU CAN SUPPORT THE AS FILED, SUPPORT THE APPLICANT AND THEN WE CAN PUT IN THEIR REM OR A REQUEST THAT HE RELOOK AT THIS BEFORE IT GOES TO THE BCC, COURTNEY CAN WE DO SOMETHING

LIKE THAT? >> SO I MAYBE A MOTION THAT WE CHANGE THE ZONING FROM AR TO PID AND REQUEST THAT THE APPLICANT COMMUNICATE WITH THE STAFF TO LIMIT THE SCOPE BEFORE IT GOES TO THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONER OF PERMITTED USES, THANK YOU PRIOR TO IT GOING TO THE BOARD OF COUNTY

COMMISSIONERS. >> DO I GET A SECOND?

>> SECOND. >> AND A SECOND FROM

MR. ANZALONE. >> CAN WE MAKE A -- SO THIS GOES NEXT WEEK; SO THE APPLICANT WOULD NEED TO GET WITH STAFF BEFORE NOON TOMORROW IN ORDER THE GET IT --

>>> OKAY, YOU GOT TIME FOR THAT? >> OTHER THAN THAT I GUESS THE ONLY OTHER OPTION IS TO LET THE BC VOTE ON IT OR CONTINUE IT BUT THAT'S THEIR CALL NOT OURS. DID YOU WANT TO SAY SOMETHING?

>> IS THERE A CONTINGENCY USE IN THAT LIST?

>> I THINK YOU WOULD GET A DIFFERENT ANSWER FROM EVERY ONE

OF US. >> YOU GOT THREE TRUCKS A DAY IT DOES BECOME SOMETHING DIFFERENT I WOULD SAY THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE THOSE PATHS RESTRICTED A POSSIBLE, WE DON'T WARM FRONT WANT TO SEE A LOT OTHER OF WHAT THE LITTLE BIT APPLICANT WEATHER WANTS TO DO, SO BASICALLY MOST OF THAT LIST NEEDS TO GO AWAY.

SUNNY OTHER CLARIFICATION? THENNIVELY CALL THAT, A YES VOTE ON THIS ONE IS TO SUPPORT CHANGING THE ZONING FROM AR TO A PID WITH THE INCLUDED RECOMMENDATION THAT THE APPLICANT REMOVE A LOT OF THESE USES BEFORE IT GETS TO THE BCC.

EVERYONE IN IN FAVOR STATE AYE. ANYONE OPPOSED? SAME VOTE, AND BEFORE WE LEAVE THIS TOPIC I DO THINK IT'S A WORTHWHILE CONVERSATION TO LOOK AT THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S PART OF THE ZONING REVIEW THAT'S HAPPENING BUT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A VERY BUSY CORRIDOR GOING FROM INTERSTATE EXIT TO INTERSTATE IT AND AND ALL KIND OF STUFF THE HAPPENING THERE AND THIS IS ABINEVITABLE EXPANSION OF COMMERCIAL PROPERTY. JUST WOULD LIKE TO THROW THAT

OUT. >>> SOMEBODY THAT HAS MANAGE TO

THE MANAGE THAT. >> AND I TOTALLY GET IT'S ONE AT

A TIME AND ONE AT A TIME. >>> WHEN'S THE NEXT BIG REVIEW

OF THE COMP PLAN. >> [INDISCERNIBLE]

>>> WE DID 14 YEARS AGO, I THINK .

DO YOU REMEMBER WHEN THE LAST REPORT WAS? 2017? WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DEAL WITH THIS MEME BUT IT'S PROBABLY SOMETHING IN THE NEXT REPORT BECAUSE THAT EXPRESS WAY IS GOING TO CHANGE THE DYNAMICS OF A LOT OF THESE AREAS. ALL RIGHT LET'S DO THE LAST GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD. I DON'T SEE ANYBODY THAT WANTS

[Old Business/New Business]

OLD BUSINESS NEW BUSINESS, PLEASE STUART DO YOU HAVE ANY

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WORDS FOR US THIS MONTH. >> MERRY CHRISTMAS.

>> I.D TO ASK YOU ONE THING, LOUISIANA MONTH WE TALKED ABOUT SOME OF THE STUFF THAT'S GOING ON WITH THE LDR REWRITE AND SOME OF THE WORKSHOP THAT ARE COMING UP AND YOU MENTIONED YOU WILL

GET A SCHEDULE TO US. >> I WILL SENT THAT DO YOU.

>>> I HAVE THAT WORKSHOP -- >>> SO WE WOULD LIKE -- WHEN YOU HAVE SOMETHING YOU CAN SENT IT OUT BECAUSE I KNOW SOME OF IT YOU'RE GOING TO WANT US TO PARTICIPATE IN, SOME OF IT WE MAY WANT THE PARTICIPATE IN AND WE NEED TO PLAN.

>> ABSOLUTELY AND YOU'RE ALL AWARE THAT JANUARY IS BOARD

MEETING WILL BE ON THE 17TH? >> DID WE FINALIZE THAT? CAN WE GET A REMINDER ABOUT THAT IS GOING FORWARD UNTIL I CAN CONVINCE SOMEBODY OTHERWISE

>>> THEY'RE GOING TO DO A REFURBISH OF THIS ROOM SO THIS ROOM IS GOING TO BE UNAVAILABLE FOR A FEW WEEKS CAN RECOLLECT SINCE WE HAVE TO BE RECORDED AND TV AND OUGHLY CAN'T DO IT

ELSEWHERE OKAY, ANYTHING ELSE >>> I HAD ONE COMMENT WHEN FOLKS COME UP AND THEY'RE BRINGING UP TRAFFIC ISSUES AND DRAINAGE ISSUES THAT'S BEYOND OUR SPUR PURVIEW BUT WE'RE LOOKING AT IT FROM A ZONING, SLASH LAND USE COMPATIBLEILITY.

>> TRAFFIC IS A CONSTANT PROBLEM AND WE ALL RECOGNIZE THAT, THE BCC WILL TAKE IT INTO ACCOUNT AND IF YOU TAKE IT INTO ACCOUNT THAT'S UP TO YOU AND WHEN PEOPLE -- WHEN THE PUBLIC IS IN HERE TALKING WE JUST NEED TO LISTEN.

THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND ALL THE NUANCES OF LAND USE VERSUS ZONING. I'VE GLAD THEY SHOW UP? HAVE WE GOT A BIG AGENDA IN JANUARY? ABOUT THE SAME? SO IT'S JANUARY 17, 5 O'CLOCK, WE'LL SEE YOU THEN.

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