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WELL, GOOD MORNING. I WILL NOW CALL TO ORDER THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS WORKSHOP FOR NOVEMBER 28TH 20 TOO. I APOLOGIZE FOR THE SOUND OF MY VOICE BUT IT IS WHAT IT IS. LET THE RECORD SHOW THAT ALL COMMISSIONERS ARE PRESENT AND READY FOR DISCUSION.
AND WITH THAT, WE WILL MOVE INTO DISCUSSION OR DO WE WANT TO HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT BEFOREHAND? HE JUST AT THE END? OKAY. FOR THOSE WHO WANT TO SPEAK TODAY, MAKE SURE THAT YOU DO FILL OUT A SPEAKER CARD SO WE
[1. Presentation of Impact Fee Study]
HAVE YOUR INFORMATION ON FILE. WITH THAT, I WILL TURN IT OVERWE HAD CARLOS FROM WILBANYON LINE, AND HE'S GOING TO GO THROUGH THE FIRST SET OF SLIDES. CARLOS, CAN YOU SEE THE POWER
POINT ARE ALL RIGHT? >> YES, I CAN SEE IT.
>> ALL RIGHT. HE'S GOING TO GO THROUGH THE FIRST SECTION AND WE'LL GO FROM THERE.
I WAS GOING TO START WITH A LITTLE IMPACT 101 JUST TO GERCHT ON THE SAME PAGE. I'LL GO OVER THE METHODOLOGY AND THE RESULTS FROM THE UPDATED STUDY, AND THEN I'LL HAND IT BACK TO TROY SO HE CAN WALK YOU THROUGH, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE CHANGES THAT WE MADE IN RESPONSE TO THE COMMENTS THAT WE RECEIVED ON THE PRIOR STUDY. SO RIGHT OFF THE TOP, WHAT ARE IMPACT HE FEES, THEY ARE ONE-TIME CHARGES TYPICALLY IMPOSED TO ALL PROJECTS WITHIN A DEFINED GEOGRAPHICAL AREA AND THE KEY TO THE STUDY AS TO THE IMPACT HE FEES THAT THEY NEED TO FIND FACILITIES THAT SERVE NEW DEVELOPMENT.
NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. SO HERE'S OUR BASIC METHODOLOGY.
FIRST WE START OUT BY ESTIMATING DEMAND FOR FACILITIES AND WE THINK ABOUT DEMAND FOR THESE TYPES OF FACILITIES IN TERMS OF PEOPLE, SO RESIDENTS AND PEOPLE THAT WORK IN THE COUNTY.
WE CAN THEN IDENTIFY THE EXISTING FACILITY STANDARDS, SO A MEASURE OF DEMAND PER RESIDENT OR RESIDENT EQUIVALENT.
WE CAN THEN EITHER USE THOSE STANDARDS OR USE OTHER PLANNING THAT THE COUNTY HAS DONE TO DETERMINE THE FACILITY NEEDS AND THE COST OF THE FACILITIES NECESSARY TO SERVE NEW DEVELOPMENT IN THE CASE WHERE FACILITIES WILL SERVE BOTH EXISTING AND NEW DEVELOPMENT. WE KNOW TO BE ABLE TO ALLOCATE A SHARE OF NEW DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE NEW DEVELOPMENT THAT CANNOT PAY FOR THE SHERIFF FACILITIES. AND IN THOSE CASES WE WILL IDENTIFY THE AMOUNT OF ALTERNATIVE FUNDING NEEDED TO FULLY FUND ALL OF THE FACILITIES AND FINALLY RECALCULATE THE FEET SCHEDULE BY ALLOCATING THE COST PER UNIT OF NEW DEVELOPMENT.
NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. SO IN THIS REVISED STUDY, WE HAVE ALL OF THE SAME CATEGORIES THAT WE HAD IN THE PRIORITY STUDY WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE REGIONSNAL PARK CATEGORY.
SO ONE OF THECOMMENTS WE RECEIVED FROM THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY WAS THAT THEY WANTED TO HE SEE SOME BENEFIT ZONES, AND SO IN DISCUSSION WITH COUNTY STAFF, IT SEEMED TO MAKE SENSE THAT THE COMMUNITY AND NEIGHBORHOOD PARKS WOULD SERVE -- WOULD SERVE THE COMMUNITIES IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS SO IT MADE STONES CREATE A FEE STRUCTURE WHERE THOSE HE FEES WERE CONNECTED TO THIS METHODOLOGY.
WE IMPLEMENTED THE FEE BENEFIT ZONES CONSISTENT WENT YOUR CURRENT MOBILITY FEE FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND COMMUNITY PARK FEE AND THAT SAID THERE WAS ALSO ONE REGIONAL PARK THAT WOULD SERVE EVERYONE IN THE COUNTY AND SO WE SPLIT THAT -- THE COST FOR THAT PARK OUT INTO A COUNTYWIDE REGIONAL PARK FEE.
NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. SO THERE ARE THREE GENERAL METHODOLOGIES FOR CAME THE CALCULATING IMPACT FEES, DIFFERENT NAMES BUT THIS IS OUR TERMINOLOGY AND I'LL JUST WALK YOU THROUGH HOW THEY WOULD WORK. SO THE FIRST SPROACH WHAT WE WOULD CALL THE EXISTING INVENTORY APPROACH.
HERE'S WHERE WE TAKE A LOOK AT EXISTING LEVEL OF SERVICE IN TERMS OF FACILITIES PER RESIDENT AND UNLESS THAT CURRENT LEVEL OF SERVICE RIDES THE IMPACT FEE A CALCULATION -- CALCULATION.
ONE EXAMPLE OF THIS IS PARKS. SO YOU WOULD ESTIMATE -- WOULD YOU CALCULATE THE CURRENT LEVEL OF SERVICE IN TERMS OF PARKER 8,000 RESIDENTS AND NEW DEVELOPMENT WOULD CONTRIBUTE TO PARKS THROUGH THE FEES AT THAT SAME STANDARD.
THE SECOND APPROACH, WHICH IS NOT USUALLY THE STUDY BUT I WILL COMPLAIN IT SO THAT FOLKS CAN UNDERSTAND IS THE IF IS APPROACH. IN THIS CASE THE IDENTIFIED FACILITY WITH WOULD ONLY FUND NEW DEVELOPMENT.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, YOU CAN THINK ABOUT -- THAT IS ONLY SERVING A SUBDIVISION. SO IN THAT CASE, EVERYONE IN THE SUBDIVISION WOULD PAY FOR THAT SEWER TRUNK LINE.
NOW THE THIRD APPROACH IS USED FOR SEVERAL OF THE FEES IN THE
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STUDY AND THIS IS WHAT'S CALLED THE SYSTEM PLANNER APPROACH.THIS IS WHERE BOTH YOUR EXISTING BOTH EXISTING AND NEW DEVELOPMENT. SO YOU CAN THINK ABOUT THIS, FOR EXAMPLE, IN TERMS OF FIRE STATIONS.
SO FIRE STATION WILL RESPOND TO CALLS FROM ANYBODY WITHIN THE COUNTY, AND WILL THEN SERVE BOTH EXISTING AND NEW DEVELOPMENT.
SO IN ORDER TO CALCULATE THE THE FEES WE TAKE A LOOK AT THE ENTIRE SYSTEM OF FACILITIES, BOTH YOUR EXISTING PLUS YOUR FUTURE PLANS AND COMPARE THAT TO FUTURE DEMANDS.
SO EXISTING DEVELOPMENT PLUS NEW DEVELOPMENT AND CAME THE CALCULATE THE FACILITY STANDARD IN THE FUTURE ONCE NEW DEVELOPMENT HAS OCCURRED AND ONCE ALL OF THE FACILITIES HAVE OCCURRED. AND THE LEVEL OF SERVICE IS HIGHER THAN YOUR EXISTING FACILITY STANDARD.
THE THE KEY HERE BEING THAT NEW DEVELOPMENT CAN PAY FOR FACILITIES AT THE LEVEL OF SERVICE BUT THEN THE COUNTY WOULD NEED TO BRING EXISTING DEVELOPMENT UP TO THE HIERT LEVEL OF SERVICE. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
SO THIS IS JUST A GRAPHICAL REPRESENTATION OF THE TWO METHODOLOGIES UNDER THE EXISTING INVENTORY METHOD, THE AMOUNT OF FACILITIES DEMANDED IS PROPORTIONAL TO FUTURE DEMAND.
UNDER THIS APPROACH THERE IS AN INCREASE IN THE LEVEL OF SERVICE, NEW DEVELOPMENT THROUGH THE IMPACT FEE WILL BE FUND FACILITIES AT THE HIGHER LEVEL OF SERVICE BUT WE HAVE TO IDENTIFY AN EXISTING DEFICIENCY THAT NEEDS TO BE FUNDING WITH SOURCES OTHER THAN THE IMPACT FEE SO THAT YOU AREN'T OVERCHARGING NEW DEVELOPMENT. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
SO IN THIS STUDY, WE USE THAT EXISTING FACILITY STANDARD APPROACH FOR THE GOVERNMENT JAILS AND CONSTITUTIONAL FACILITY HE FEES AND THE LIBRARY AND CULTURE FACILITY FEES.
WE USE A SYSTEM PLAN APPROACH BASED ON PROJECT LISTS FOR THE FIREFIGHTER AND HE RESCUE AND LAW ENFORCEMENT AND THE REGIONAL PARK HE FEES AND COMMUNITY AND NEIGHBORHOOD PARK FEES ARE DRIVEN BY THE COUNTY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN PARK NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. AFTER THIS I'LL TURN IT OVER TO TROY. SO THIS NEXT TABLE HERE SHOWS THAT THERE ARE DEVELOPMENT PROJECTIONS FOR THE STUDY, THESE HAVE NOT CHANGED SINCE THE PRIOR STUDY.
THE RESIDENTIAL PROJECTIONS ARE BASED ON THE BEAVER 2045 SCENARIO AND ARE CONSISTENT WENT THE PROJECTIONING USED IN THE -- PROJS USED IN THE ADOPTIVE MOBILITY STUDY.
SO THIS IS THE MAXIMUM JUSTIFIED FEE SCHEDULE.
IT HAS BEEN REVISED SINCE THE LAST TIME YOU'VE SEEN IT.
THE BIGGEST REVISION IS THE REGIONAL PARK FACILITIES FEE HAS BEEN ADDED FOR RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT COUNTYWIDE AND ALL OF THE OTHER FEES BASED ON THE OTHER ADJUSTMENTS THAT I HAVE DESCRIBED TO YOU HAVE CHANGED SLIGHTLY.
NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. SO I MENTIONED IF WE USED THE SYSTEM PLAN STANDARD THE COUNTY WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR FULLY FUNDING ALL OF THE FACILITIES THROUGH THE PLANNING SCHEDULE.
THIS SLIDE DIRECTLY OUT OF THE REPORT THESE ADDITIONAL FUNDING REQUIRED IN ORDER CHARGE NEW DEVELOPMENT AT THIS HIGHER LEVEL OF SERVICE FOR YOUR FIRE AND RESCUE LAW ENFORCEMENT PARKS AND REGIONAL PARKS FEES, THAT ADDITIONAL FUNDING REQUIRED $227 MILLION, IS SOMETHING THAT THE COUNTY WITH WOULD HAVE TO FUND AND BE COMMITTED TO FUNDING THROUGH 2045 IF IT IMPLEMENTS FEES AT THIS LEVEL. FOR THE GOVERNMENT, JAILS AND CONSTITUTIONAL FILLS HE FEES AND LIBRARY AND CULTURAL FACILITY HE FEES, NEW DEVELOPMENT, THERE IS NO ADDITIONAL FUNDING REQUIRED BECAUSE THOSE ARE CALCULATED AT EXISTING FACILITY STANDARD AND SO LONG AS THE COUNTY SPENDS THAT HE REVENUE ON CAPACITY EXPANDING AND IMPROVEMENTS THAT BENEFIT NEW DEVELOPMENT THEN IT WILL BE SPENT APPROPRIATELY. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
SO WE ALSO UPDATED THE FEE COMPARISONS SO THE OTHER COUNTIES ARE THE SAME AS YOU'VE SEEN THE LAST TIME WE PRESENTED TO YOU ALL. JUST TO GIVE SOME CONTEXT, THE LOW AND THE HIGH HE FEE SCENARIOS FOR DIFFERENT COUNTIES SHOW THE RANGE OF POSSIBLE FEES, IF THE FEES ARE CHARGED BY ZONE, IN THIS CASE FOR YOUR COUNTY, IT'S NOT THE FEES THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT TODAY. IT'S THE TRANSPORTATION AND MOBILITY FEES THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN ADOPTED THAT VARY BY ZONE PRETTY GREATLY AND THAT'S WHAT DRIVES THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE LOW AND HIGH IN YOUR JURISDICTION.
I THINK WE KNOW -- THE OVERALL TAKE-AWAY HERE IS THAT IN THE LOW CLAY COUNTY ZONE THE FEES WOULD BE WITHIN THE RANGE OF THE OTHER COUNTIES HERE BUT IN THE LOW RANGE YOU'D BE CLOSER TO THE CENTER OF THE RANGE AND IF YOU WERE IN THE HEIGHT FEE ZONE
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YOU'D BE CLOSER TO THE UPPER END OF THE RANGE.NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. THIS NEXT SLIDE DEMONSTRATES THE EXACT SAME THING AS THE PRIOR SLIDE BUT WE'RE LOOKING INSTEAD OF AT A SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING UNIT WE'RE LOOKING AT 1,000 SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL AND RETAIL USES AND THE STORY IS THE SAME. IN THE LOW MOBILITY FEE ZONE YOU'D BE WOMAN IN THE RANGE OF OTHER COMPARISON JURISDICTIONS BUT AT THE HIGHER ZONE YOU'D BE AT THE HIGHEST END OF THAT RANGE. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
THIS NEXT SLIDE PRESENTS THE SAME INFORMATION BUT INSTEAD OF FOR COMMERCIAL DOANCHT FOR AN OFFICE -- FOR THE OFFICE SPACE AGAIN THE PROPORTIONS ARE MORE THE SAME AS IN PRIOR STUDIES ALTHOUGH IN THIS CASE ORANGE COUNTY WOULD HAVE THE HIGHEST OFFICE FEE AMONGST THE JURISDICTIONS -- SAMPLES HERE.
NEXT SLIDE. AND I'LL HAND THAT BACK TO TROY SO THAT HE CAN DISCUSS THE CHANGES THAT WERE MADE BETWEEN THE LAST REPORT AND THE REPORT THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT TODAY.
THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, CARLOS.
SO MADAM, IF I MAY, I GUESS WE CAN STOP HERE IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS OF THE BOARD UP TO THIS POINT FOR CARLOS.
>> DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR CARLOS?
>> I JUST HAVE A COMMENT. THESE FIGURES --
>> YOUR MIC... >> THESE FIGURES DON'T ACCOUNT FOR -- IN THE CASE OF LIBRARIES, THAT WE DON'T MEET THE LIBRARY -- STATE LIBRARY STANDARDS.
IS THAT CORRECT. >> IS CORRECT.
WE'RE DOING IT BASED ON MAINTAINING THE EXISTING LEVEL
OF SERVICE. >> WHICH DOES NOT MEET STATE STANDARDS. JUST WANT TO MAKE THAT POINT.
SO THE MAIN CHANGES IN THE REPORT, IN THE THE TWO AREAS WHERE WE LOOKED AT THE EXISTING STANDARD, WE CHANGED THE VALUE OF PROPERTY TO BE THE APPRAISED VALUE OUT OF THE PROJECT APPRAISINGER VERSUS THE LAND VALUE THAT WE CAME THE CALCULATED AND THAT INSTEAD OF THE PRICE TO ACQUIRE THE LAND.
SO WE WENT TO THE ACTUAL APPRAISED VALUE AND CHANGED IT FOR THE VALUE -- FROM THE CONSTRUCTION COSTS TO OUR INSURED COSTS SINCE THERE WAS SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THE CONSTRUCTION COST BINGE FLIGHTED.
THEN WE USED OUR RECENT QUOTES FOR CONSTRUCTION OF THE FIRE STATIONS, SO WE WENT TO OUR ENGINEER QUOTES THAT WE JUST RECEIVED FOR THE THREE FIRE STATIONS THAT ARE CURRENTLY UNDER DESIGN. IN LOOKING AT PURCHASING PROPERTY, WE USED THE PREVIOUS THREE YEARS OF SALES OF PROPERTY, VACANT PROPERTY IN CLAY COUNTY, THAT ARE GREATER THAN 5 ACRES. SO THAT WAY WE GOT RID OF THE 1 ACRE THAT HAPPENS TO SELL FOR A VERY HIGH PRICE AND KIND OF GOT IT BACK ON TO WHAT WE CONSIDER TO BE A BETTER AVERAGE AND THEN WE USED THE CURRENT AVERAGE FOR CURRENT PROPERTY PARKLAND TO ANTICIPATE THE NEW VALUE OF PARKLAND SO USED THE APPRAISED VALUE OUT OF THE APPRAISER'S OFFICE TO CALCULATE OUR VALUE FOR PARKLAND. AGAIN, THAT BROUGHT THE NUMBER DOWN FOR WHAT THE COST THAT WE'RE CONSIDERING TO ACQUIRE NEW PARKLAND, WHICH IS LOWER THAN WHAT HE MOST LIKELY SALE VALUE WILL BE BUT THAT'S A MORE CONSERVATIVE APPROACH THAT WE TOOK. ANY QUESTIONS BEFORE I GO INTO EACH AREA? AND THEN IF IT'S ALL RIGHT WITH YOU, MA'AM, MY PLAN IS TO GO THROUGH EACH AREA, STOP, ASK FOR QUESTIONS, AND THEN GO FROM THERE.
SO THE FIRST AREAS ARE GOVERNMENT JAILS AND CONSTITUTIONAL FACILITIES. THANK YOU FOR ADVANCING THAT SLIDE. WE LIMIT IT TO ONLY THE TYPES OF FACILITIES THAT WE'RE PROBABLY GOING TO LOOK AT USING THIS MONEY FOR. SO WE DID NOT INCLUDE THINGS SUCH AS OUR PITS OR OTHER PROPERTIES OF GOVERNMENT THAT WE CURRENTLY OWN. SO WE LIMIT IT JUST TO THE ADMINISTRATION BUILDING, COUNTY MAINTENANCE YARD, FLEMMING ISLAND OFFICE BUILDING, THE JAIL COMPLEX, AND THE JUDICIAL COMPLEX. SO THAT ALSO LOWERED OUR CURRENT LEVEL OF SERVICE BECAUSE WE'RE NOT CONSIDERING ALL THE PROPERTIES. IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. THE JAIL ADMINISTRATIVE FACILITIES ARE CURRENTLY AT CAPACITY, AS WE'VE DISCUSSED.
THE IMPACT FEES WERE CALCULATED TO MAINTAIN THE SAME LEVEL OF SERVICE. SO AS YOU LOOK OUT -- AND LET'S JUST USE VEHICLES, FOR EXAMPLE. YOU KNOW, CURRENTLY WE HAVE 1.28 COUNTY VEHICLES PER THOUSAND CITIZENS.
OR WE HAVE .18 ACRES OF LAND OR 915 SQUARE FEET OF BUILDINGS.
IF YOU LOOK AT THIS PLAN FIVE YEARS FROM NOW, WE SHOULD BE MAINTAINING SOMETHING SIMILAR TO THOSE NUMBERS BECAUSE YOU'RE TRYING TO KEEP A LEVEL OF SERVICE.
YOU'RE NOT TRYING TO GET MORE VEHICLES, WE'RE NOT TRYING TO GET MORE SQUARE FOOTAGE. WE'RE TRYING KEEP IT LEVEL, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. THE NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
THE NEXT SLIDESHOWS YOU WHAT THE FEES WILL BE CALCULATED FOR JUST THIS AREA IN YOUR STUDY. ONE THING TO POINT SOUTH THESE ARE THE MAXIMUM JUSTIFIED FEES, AS WE'VE DISCUSSED IN THE PAST, THE BOARD ALWAYS HAS THE TOPPINGS GO LOWER, BUT YOU CAN'T
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GO HIGHER THAN THE MAXIMUM JUSTIFIED FEES.SO I WILL STOP THERE FOR ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS ON THE JAIL AND GOVERNMENT CONSTITUTIONAL FILLS.
>> ANYONE HAVE COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS ON THAT? THE NEXT ONE IS YOUR FIRE RESCUE FACILITIES.
WE TOOK OUR CURRENT CALL VOLUME BASED ON FUTURE LAND USE WHERE THEY EXIST TODAY AND WE APPLIED THAT SAME METRIC ACROSS THE FUTURE LANE USE IF EVERY PIECE OF PROPERTY BUILDS OUT AT MINIMUM LEVEL. MOST CONSERVATIVE LEVEL BUILD-OUT. WE PROJECT 53,000 CALLS.
TO QUANTIFY THAT, WE MADE SURE THAT WE COMPARED OUR POPULATION AND CALLS HER PERSON TO SURROUNDING AGENCIES.
SO AT THE TIME WE GET 53,000 CALLS WE'LL BE AVERAGING ABOUT .19 CALLS PER CITIZEN. WHICH IS DIRECTLY BETWEEN ST. JOHN'S AND DUVAL. I SAY THAT IS ALL TO SAY THAT IF YOU BRING THE NUMBER BACK INTO WHAT EVERYBODY ELSE IS DOING TODAY, THE NUMBER MAKES SENSE. SO THE 53,000 IS NOT OUT OF THE REALM OR OUT OF ANY KIND OF METRIC.
IT MAKES COMMON SENSE. CALLS PROJECTIONS BASED ON THE MOST CONSERVATIVE USE OF EACH VACANT PROPERTY.
WE AVERAGE EACH FIRE STATION -- WE LOOKED AT TWO SURROUNDING COUNTIES, DUVAL, ST. JOHN'S. WE LOOKED AT -- INDIAN RIVER AND HILLSBOROUGH TO SEE HOW MANY CALLS PER STATION THEY RUN.
THE AVERAGE IS THEY RUN ABOUT 2700 CALLS PER STATION.
WE USE THAT NUMBER TO BACK INTO HOW MANY STATIONS WE'RE GONNA NEED TO -- FURTHER MOOR TOOK THOSE STATIONS AND THE CHIEF PUT THEM ON A MAP TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE THE RESPONSIBILITIES TIME COVERAGE NECESSARY. THE LIST THAT YOU'RE SEEING ON THE SCREEN IS FROM THE FIRE RESCUE DEPARTMENT TO DETERMINE WHAT'S NEEDED IN 2045 FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, AND AT THAT POINT IN TIME, IF IT'S ALL RIGHT WITH YOU, MA'AM, I'D LIKE TO TURN IT OVER TO CHIEF AND HE CAN TALK MORE IN DEPTH ON STATIONS
AND WHAT THEY NEED. >> THANK YOU, TROY.
THE MAP IS A REPRESENTATION, AS TROY SAID, WHERE WE LOOK, THE DISTRIBUTION OF STATIONS TO MEET SOME EXISTING MODELS.
NOW, THE MODEL -- AND YOU CERTAIN CERTAINLY HEAR IT DISCUSSED BEFORE THE BOARD OF THE COMMISSIONER, BY THINK THE REST OF YOU HEARD ME TALK ABOUT THE FIVE MILE DRIVING DISTANCES THAT THE ASSURANCE OFFICES USES FOR AN EVALUATION OF MUNICIPAL FIRE PROTECTION IN RELATION TO PROPERTY INSURANCE.
AND IT APPLIES TO SOME EXTENT RESIDENTIAL BUT SIGNIFICANTLY FOR COMMERCIAL. I ALSO TOOK A LOOK AT WHERE THE NATIONAL FIRE PROTECTION ASSOCIATION RECOMMENDS FOR DEPARTMENTS TO BE. THEIR STANDARD WOULD BE THAT THE INITIAL RESPONSE UNIT AND ENGINE COMPANY TYPICALLY WOULD ARRIVE ON SCENE WITHIN 4 MINUTES. AND THE BULK OF THE ASSIGNMENT GOING TO A STRUCTURE FIRE FOR INSTANCE WOULD HAVE TO ARRIVE WITHIN 8 MINUTES. CORRESPONDINGLY WHEN THEY LOOKED AT EMERGENCY MEDICAL SERVICE ARRIVALS, THEY SAID A BASIC LIFE SUPPORT UNIT OR THE FIRST ARRIVING UNIT INSIDE 4 MINUTES, AND THEN ADVANCE LIFE SUPPORT INSIDE 8 MINUTES, THAT PRETTY WELL CORRESPONDS TO THE FIRST MODEL AND APPLIES BACK TO THAT 5 MILE DRIVING DISTANCE. SO BOTH OF THOSE STANDARDS ARE PRETTY CONCURRENT AND APPLY IT. UNFORTUNATELY WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHERE WE ARE CURRENTLY. AND I LOOKED AT DATA FROM 2015 AND THEN ESTIMATED WHERE WE WOULD BE IN THE CURRENT YEAR TO DATE, BASED ON WHERE OUR CALL VOLUME IS, WE'VE SEEN A 40% INCREASE IN CALLS, REQUEST FOR SERVICE FROM 2015 TO 2022.
LET THAT SINK IN FOR A SECOND, BECAUSE THAT IS EXCEEDINGLY SIGNIFICANT. THE EXISTING DEMAND FOR SERVICE, WE OPERATE 12 STATIONS, WE PARTNER WITH ORANGE PARK TO GIVE US OUR 13TH STATION. AND WHEN WE TAKE A LOOK AT THAT, THAT CALL VOLUME IN THE COUNTY IS EXPANDING I WOULD SAY ALMOST EXPEDIENTIALLY. IT'S CERTAINLY BEYOND OUR MEANS TO CURRENTLY PROVIDE SERVICE AS IT IS IF THAT RATE CONTINUES BECAUSE THE -- WE HAVE ONLY ADDED ONE RESCUE UNIT AND A PART-TIME UNIT SINCE THE 2017/2018 BUDGET.
PART OF THE REASON THAT THAT PROBLEM IS THAT, OF THE 12 FIRE STATIONS I HAVE, 9 OF THOSE STATIONS WERE CONSTRUCTED AS VOLUNTEER STAYSES. THEY EXIST PREDOMINATELY WITH TWO BAYS AT MOST, IN MANY CASES. AND SO I DON'T HAVE THE CAPACITY TO EXPAND IT. AND AS THE CHIEF AND I HAVE SAID BEFORE ON THIS, WE MAYBE GET TO THE FIRST CALL, BUT WHEN THE SECOND CALL HITS THAT INCREASES TIME BECAUSE THEN WE HAVE TO BRING IN UNITS FROM THE OUTSIDE AND DISTRIBUTE THAT WORKLOAD.
AND SO WHAT WE'RE SEEING WITH IT IS THAT NOT ONLY HAS OUR CALL
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VOLUME INCREASED IN ITS LOGICAL 40% BUT OUR AVERAGE RESPONSE TIME -- AND THIS IS AVERAGE, THE NFPA STANDARD SAYS WE SHOULD MEET THAT 8 MINUTE ASSEMBLY REQUIREMENT OR 8 MINUTES FOR ADVANCE LIFE SUPPORT 90% OF THE TIME.OUR AVERAGE CALL RATE WENT FROM JUST OVER 7 MINUTES IN 2015.
WE ARE NOW JUST BARELY UNDER 8 MINUTES, AVERAGE RESPONSE TIME.
AND IF YOU THINK OF IT IN RELATION TO THAT 40% INCREASE, IT'S VERY LOGICAL WE WOULD SEE THIS, THIS TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT.
SO THE MODEL THAT YOU HAVE PRESENTED TO YOU IS A MODEL THAT, LOOK AHEAD WHERE DO WE KNOW TO BOTH PLACE STATIONS NOW AND INTO THE FUTURE. IF I'M PRESENTED WITH THE PROBLEM OF 20,000 HOMES GOING BETWEEN GOVERNORS PARK AND MOVING UP TOWARDS THE SAND RIDGE DEVELOPMENT AREA, I HAVE NO STAYINGS IN THERE THAT WILL COVER THAT GAP.
AND SO NOT DON'T WE HAVE AN IMMEDIATE NEED FOR THAT EXPANSION, BUT WE ALSO HAVE A NEED TO MEET THOSE DEVELOPMENTS AS THEY ARE PLACED IN SERVICE AT THE TIME THEY ARE.
I CAN'T HAVE THE UNITS GO IN OR THE HOMES GO IN AND THEN HAVE TO CATCH UP ON SERVICE, AND I THINK YOU'RE GONNA HEAR THE SAME THING FROM THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE RELATIVE TO THIS.
SO THIS MODEL IS PRESENTED WITH THAT AS A FACT, AND HONESTLY SOME OF THE DEVELOPMENT, PENNY FARMS, THE NEW FUZZY LANE STATION, THE GOVERNOR'S PARK STATION, WHICH WE HOPEFULLY GET AS PART OF THAT DEVELOPMENT, ALL HAVE TO BE IN PLACE AT OR ABOUT THE SAME TIME THOSE HOMES OR DEVELOPMENTS GO IN PLACE FOR US TO JUST MEET EXISTING NEED OF VOLUME.
WITHOUT THAT, AND I'VE SAID THIS TO DEVELOPERS AS THEY'VE COME INTO THE REVIEW COMMITTEE RECENT LETE, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO PROTECT IT. I'M EXCITED ABOUT WHAT I HEARD ON THE DEVELOPMENT OF 301 AND 318.
THAT'S A GREAT THING FOR THE COUNTY BUT THE TRUTH IS I HAVE VERY LITTLE FIRE PROTECTION OUT THERE TO SERVICE THAT LOAD, AND IT'S STLOORT WHERE WE START TO HEAR -- I THINK AT THE LAST BOARD MEETING YOU HAD TWO DEVELOPMENTS THAT CAME IN FOR PLATTING, A 148 TOWNHOMES AND 160 SLIGHTLY BEYOND THAT, THAT WILL BEGIN TO EXACERBATE THAT 40% AS THOSE GO IN WE CAN MEET THE NEED AND DEVELOPMENT. SO I DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU GO AS A BOARD WITHOUT THIS, YOU SET BY YOUR BUDGETS AND HOW YOU ESTABLISH THINGS, THE SERVICE LEVELS THAT ARE ESTABLISHED FOR YOUR COMMUNITY, BUT I WILL TELL YOU WE'RE STRAINING AGENT THE SEAMS RIGHT NOW, AND ANYTHING BEYOND THAT IS GOING TO EXCEED THE CAPABILITY WITHOUT MAJOR CHANGES TO THE SERVICE.
WITH THAT, BACK TO YOU MADAM CHAIRMAN.
>> QUESTIONS? >> SO YOU HAVEN'T TOUCHED ON THAT THE IDEA OF WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THE SPREADS-WAY IS DONE AND WE HAVE AN ACCIDENT LIKE WHAT HAPPENED THIS WEEKEND?
THE EXPRESSWAY. >> THE ACCIDENT THIS WEEKEND WE ASSISTED DUVAL COUNTY OR JACKSONVILLE WITH THAT MODEL, THAT WOULD LITERALLY PUT US OVER THE CURVE WHERE WE ARE NOW IF THE EXPRESSWAY GOES INTO SERVICE AND THE STATIONS THAT WE FORECAST ARE INTO PLAY THEN THE INCREASE IN CAPACITY WOULD BE ABLE TO MEET THAT. I WAS OPERATIONS CHIEF IN JACKSONVILLE FOR YEARS AND I WILL TELL YOU THAT A MASS CASUALTY INCIDENT AT ANY EXPRESSWAY IN ANY PART OF THE CITY PRESS ITS UNITS INTO SERVICE AND WE RELY ON PARTNERSHIPS WITH THE OUTLYING COUNTIES.
WE WENT INTO DUVAL COUNTY YESTERDAY TO HELP.
THEY COME INTO US ON A REGULAR BASIS.
THE GREAT EXAMPLE IS COMMISSIONER COMPARES DISTRICT WHERE ON A DAILY BASIS JACKSONVILLE AND CLAY COUNTY ARE CROSSING THOSE BOUNDARY LINES WHICH AS I SAID BEFORE THE CITIZENS BE DON'T CARE WHAT THE PATCH SAYS OR WHOSE TRUCK IT IS.
THEY JUST CARE WE GET THERE TO PROVIDE THE SERVICE.
SO ANYTHING LIKE, THAT MULTIPLE ALARM FIRES, THOSE ALL STRESS THAT. WE'RE TRYING TO ESTABLISH JUST A MODERATE BASE LEVEL OF SERVICE AND NOT REALLY INCREASING TOO AS FAR BEYOND WHERE YOU ARE WITH SOME OF THESE STATION LOCATIONS BUT THEY DO PLACE US IN A MODEL THAT WOULD MEET THAT INSURANCE SERVIES REQUIREMENT AND GET YOU WITH ALL OF YOUR DEVELOPED AREAS INSIDE THAT FIVE MILE DRIVING DISTANCE.
>> BUT AS OF RIGHT NOW IF IT WAS TO HAPPEN WITH WHAT WE HAVE, I MEAN, ALL OF OUR TRUCKS WOULD BE GOING THERE PRETTY MUCH?
>> YEAH. WE EARLIER CHALLENGED ON A DAILY
BASIS -- >> WHAT HAPPENS TO THE PEOPLE THAT ARE HERE WHENEVER AN EMERGENCY HAPPENS AND TH TRUCKS
ARE NOT THERE. >> WHAT YOU SEE IS THAT INCREASE CALL TIME TO GET THAT FIRST NEXT UNIT ON SCENE.
AND UNFORTUNATELY, AND CHIEF MOTES HAS SAID THIS MORE TIMES TO THIS BOARD THAN I CARE TO THINK ABOUT, 4 MINUTES TO 8 MINUTES. THAT'S ALL BRAIN TIME.
WHEN IT'S AN EMERGENCY MEDICAL CALL WE KNOW TO ARRIVE WITHIN THAT WINDOW TO ENSURE THAT WE CAN SAVE LOVED ONES AND IF THAT WERE NEARLY 8 MINUTES NOW, THAT'S GOING TO PRESS US WAY BEYOND THAT. I'LL SAY THAT 8 MINUTES INCLUDES OUR PARTNERSHIP WITH THE TOWN OF ORANGE PARK.
IF YOU TAKE THE TOWN OF ORANGE PARK OUT OF THAT MODEL, THE UN-INCORPORATED AREA IS -- FAR EXCEEDS THAT 8 MINUTES RIGHT
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NOW. >> AND UN-INCORPORATED -- I LIVE IN THAT AREA, SAND RIDGE, AND, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THE AREA THAT -- THAT I'M DEFINITELY CONCERNED ABOUT WHEN WE DON'T HAVE THAT STATION WITHIN 5 MILES, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT. WE JUST HAVE TO.
AND SO -- >> I'M PRETTY CONCERNED ABOUT IT
>> EVERY TIME I DRIVE PAST THAT PROPOSED PROPERTY LOCATION I HAVE A VISION OF A FIRE STATION SITTING THERE, MULTIPLE BAYS AND MULTIPLE UNITS BEING ABLE TO BEYOND.
AND WHEN HAVE YOU MULTIPLE UNITS IN A STATION BEYOND TYPICALLY WHERE WE HAVE AN ENGINE AND RESCUE AND SOME PLACES WHERE WE JUST HAVE AN ENGINE AND NO RESCUE, YOU INCREASE YOUR CAPABILITY TO HANDLE MULTIPLE SINGLE CALLS FOR SERVICE.
OBVIOUSLY A LARGE-SCALE EVENT WILL EXCEED THAT CAPACITY AND WE KNOW TO PARTNER TO DO THAT WITH EVERYBODY IN THE REGION BUT CERTAINLY THE TYPICAL DAY TO DAY, THE NORMAL SERVICE LOAD IS WHAT REQUIRES THAT ADDITIONAL EXPANSION.
>> AND, YOU KNOW, WE ALL SAY WE DON'T HAVE A CRYSTAL BALL BUT WHEN YOU HAVE AN EXPRESSWAY COMING THROUGH, THERE HAS TO BE AN AVERAGE PROBABLY OF HAVING A MAJOR ACCIDENT LIKE THAT HAPPEN,
I MEAN, YOU KNOW... >> THAT'S MY EXPERIENCE AS THE OPERATIONS CHIEF IN JACKSONVILLE.
YOU TOUCHED ON THE CURRENT USE OF FORMER VOLUNTEER FIRE STATIONS. WHAT IMPACT DOES THAT IMPOSE ON
THE COUNTY IN THEIR USE? >> WELL, I THINK WHAT IT'S DONE IS -- FIRST OF ALL, IT CERTAINLY HAS SAVED THE BOARD MONEY OVER TIME BECAUSE THOSE VOLUNTEER STATIONS FOR THE MOST PART WERE PRIVATELY OWNED PROBABLY FIRST. THE COUNTY THEN ASSUMED RESPONSIBILITY FOR THEM, AND THEY BECAME COUNTY STATIONS.
THAT'S TYPICALLY HOW IT GOES. AND THIS IS NOT UNUSUAL.
WHEN I WAS THE OPERATIONS CHIEF IN JACKSONVILLE I HAD A LOT OF STATION LOCATIONS THAT WERE FORMER VOLUNTEER STATIONS THAT WERE BROUGHT INTO THE DEPARTMENT IN CONSOLIDATION AND IT LITERALLY TOOK THE JACKSONVILLE -- I'M GONNA SAY -- 40 YEARS OR SO OVER THAT TIME TO BE ABLE TO CONVERT OVER AND EXPAND.
BUT WHAT YOU DON'T HAVE, WITH VOLUNTEER STATIONS YOU TEND TO HAVE LOCATIONS THAT HAVE LEFT BASE SPACE, LESS SPACE FOR EMPLOYEES WHEN YOU GO TO STAFF THEM, AND THEN THEY'RE NOT ALWAYS IN THE BEST LOCATION BECAUSE THEY TYPICALLY ARE LOCATED WHERE THE POPULATION BASE THAT YOU CAN DRAW THOSE VOLUNTEERS FROM WERE. AND WHAT YOU NEED TO MEET THAT MODEL FOR DEMAND NOW IS TO BE ABLE TO BALANCE OUT YOUR STATION SO THAT YOUR COVERAGE MODEL BOTH TOUCHS AND OVERLAPS, SO THAT YOU CAN HAVE THE MAXIMIZED CAPABILITY FOR THE FEWEST STATIONS. AND THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE PROPOSED
IN THIS LOOK AHEAD TO 2045. >> THANK YOU.
SO THINKING ABOUT WHEN WE WERE GOING THROUGH NEGOTIATIONS FOR RAISE AND TO GET MORE EMPLOYEES FOR RESCUE WE ARE PRETTY MUCH TALKING ABOUT THE SAME THING AS FAR AS RESPONSE TIME.
CAN YOU TOUCH ON THAT? THAT HAD TO DO WITH THE OPERATIONAL SIDE, DOESN'T ACTUALLY HAVE TO DO WITH THE FACILITY SIDE. JUST SO PEOPLE CAN UNDERSTAND THAT, BECAUSE IT'S LIKE, OH, GOSH, WE KNOW MORE MONEY NOW AGAIN, YOU KNOW. AND SO I THINK JUST SO THE
PUBLIC CAN UNDERSTAND THAT. >> WELL, AGAIN, I THINK THE GREATEST LIMITATION ON PERSONNEL STAFF SOMETHING FILLS UPON WHICH YOU CAN PUT THEM IN. WE ARE DESIGNING STATIONS NOW, AND YOU SAW IT IN THE PROPOSAL AT ABOUT 14,000 SQUARE FEET, THAT IS BASE SPACE, THAT'S THE LIVING QUARTERS.
THAT'S THE BUNK ROOM AREAS AND THE STORAGE LOCATION THAT NOW COMES WITH IT, AND THE ABILITY TO DO SOME MODERATE TRAINING AND OTHER THINGS INSIDE THOSE STATIONS.
THAT'S A FAR CRY FROM WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO FIND IN ANY ONE OF MY VOLUNTEER STATIONS OR FORMER VOLUNTEER STATIONS.
I THINK PROBABLY THE WORST EXPAMPLE WE'RE ADDRESS THAT IS THE VIRGINIA VILLAGE STATION, FIRE STATION 24, WHERE WE PUT A TEMPORARY LIVING QUARTER INS, AND I BELIEVE IT WAS 2013, 2014.
TEMPORARY I GUESS IS A RELATIVE TERM, AND WE ARE NOW LOOKING TO RECONSTRUCT THAT STATION ON THE SAME SITE.
WE BOUGHT SOME ADDITIONAL PROPERTY FROM THE CHURCH NEXT DOOR, AND THEN WE'LL PLACE A MORE TRADITIONAL PROPER STATION THAT ALLOWS BOTH THE EXISTING SERVICE AND FUTURE SERVICE EXPANSIONS TO OVERLAP. SO AS WE GET NEW EMPLOYEES IN, AND CERTAINLY THE PLAN IN FRONT OF YOU CONTEMPLATES THAT BY 2045 WE'D ADD 8 ADDITIONAL ENGINES, 9 ADDITIONAL LADDER COMPANIES BECAUSE AS YOU GET IMPROVED DEVELOPMENT AND YOU SAW IT, AS I GET TOWNHOMES, APARTMENT COMPLEXES, COMMERCIAL SPACES IN PLACE, HOSPITALS, YOU KNOW, YOU NAME IT, I NOW NEED THE COMBINATION OF ENGINE COMPANIES AND LADDER COMPANIES TO SERVE IT, IT'S 9 LADDER COMPANIES, THERE WERE FIVE TENDERS BUT MORE
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IMPORTANTLY 10 ADDITIONAL RESCUE UNITS TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL COVERAGE BECAUSE THE MAJORITY OF OUR CALL VOLUME IS EMERGENCY MEDICAL SERVICES AND THAT'S WHERE WE'RE LOOKING TO PROVIDE THAT STAFFING BUT I CAN'T PLACE ALL THAT INTO THE EXIFGHT FITS.>> SO MOST LIKELY WE'LL HAVE ENOUGH EMPLOYEES BUT DON'T HAVE ANY MORE FILLS TO PUT THEM SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
>> WE'RE QUICKLY REACHING A POINT THAT WITH OUR LAST SAFER GRANT WE'RE AT POINT WHERE I'M NOT SURE HOW TO PLACE ALL OF THE EMPLOYEES THAT WE HAVE YET. BUNKBEDS AREN'T OUT OF THE QUESTION BUT THEY CERTAINLY AREN'T THE MOST AMENABLE WAY OF DOING THAT TO ME THE CURRENT STANDARDS TODAY.
-- AMENABLE FOR THE CURRENT STANDARDS TODAY.
>> AN AREA OF 53,000 AND CHANGE, I GUESS WE BASED OUR NUMBERS ON AN AVERAGE OF 2700 CALLS PER STATION.
JUST AS A POINT OF REFERENCE, DO WE KNOW WHAT WE AVERAGE NOW?
>> WELL, WE'RE AT -- FOR THE FORECAST IS 27,000 CALLS -- I THINK IT'S 27,800 OR SO, FORECAST FOR THE CURRENT YEAR.
SO THAT GIVES YOU A FRAISM REFERENCE AS WE MOVE FROM THERE.
AND THOSE CALLS BY STATION AREN'T EVERY UNIT IN THAT STATION ADDRESSING IT. I TALKED ABOUT CONCURRENT CALLS FOR SERVICE. THAT WILL ALLOW US TO HAVE THAT OVERLAP OF COVERAGE WHICH WE KNOW TO PROVIDE THAT SECOND RESPONSE WHEN NECESSARY IN THE DISTRICT IN ADDITION TO MOVING.
THE REASON WE HAVE BEEN AS SUCCESSFUL AS WE'VE BEEN OVR THE LAST SEVEN YEARS WITH THAT EXPANSION IS THAT WE PLACED A LOT MORE TECHNOLOGY INTO UNITS. WE MONITOR WHERE THEY GO, WE REDISTRIBUTE IT. THAT DYNAMIC REPOSITIONING IS SOMETHING I GUESS WE'LL LIVE WITH ME FOR THE REMAINDER OF MY CAREER. BUT THAT IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE UTILIZED AS A SUCCESS MODEL TO COVER WHERE WE ARE.
BUT THEY'RE STRETCHED AS FAR AS THOSE BUDGET CORDS CAN I DON'T BELIEVE -- CAN STRETCH AT THE MOMENT.
>> PROJECTING WELL OVER 53,000, LET'S GET TO 54,000 CALLS IN 2045. AND THAT IS A CONSERVATIVE PROJECTION, RIGHT. AND AT THIS POINT IN TIME WE'RE DOING ABOUT HALF THAT, 27 AND CHANGE.
>> YEAH. >> SO I WANT TO PAINT THAT PICTURE THAT WE'RE GOING TO DOUBLE THE NUMBER OF CALLS.
YOU CAN'T DOUBLE THE NUMBER OF CALLS WITH THE SAME NUMBER OF
FIRE STATION. >> THAT'S RIGHT.
>> AND HOPE TO BE ABLE TO GET THERE BETWEEN 4 AND 8 MINUTES.
>> RIGHT. >> SO THERE'S BEEN SOME QUESTION AS TO WHETHER OR NOT WE HAVE THE RIGHT PLAN IN PLACE IN TERMS OF HANDLING AND I GUESS CONSERVE STIF A GOOD WAY TO GO IN TERMS OF TRYING TO PROJECT THAT YOU'RE SPENDING THE LEAST AMOUNT OF MONEY BUT NOT NECESSARILY IF YOU'RE LOOKING TO PROTECT THE PUBLIC GOOD AND TRY TO MAINTAIN AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET THERE, YOU KNOW, IN THOSE 4 OR 8 MINUTES THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IN TERMS OF RESPONSE TIME. SO I JUST WANTED -- OUR CONSTITUENTS TO UNDERSTANDS WHERE WE'RE GOING IN 2045 AND THESE PROJECTIONS, SO WE'RE GOING TO DOUBLE THE NUMBER OF
CALLS ESSENTIALLY. >> AND IF YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THE STATION PROJECTION OF WHAT I JUST TALKED ABOUT WITH APPARATUS THAT LITERALLY ALMOST DOUBLES THE CURRENT SIZE OF THE
DEPARTMENT, YOU'RE DEAD -ON- >> VERY GOOD.
THANK YOU, CHIEF. >> I WANTED TO COMMENT.
YOU KNOW, WE TALK ABOUT DOUBLING THE NUMBER OF CALLS.
THE REQUIREMENT IS INCREASING AS WELL.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT AT ADVANCE MEDICAL TECHNOLOGIES THAT CAN BE PLACED, MOBILE. WHEN YOU LOOK AT LITHIUM BATTERIES THAT WE NEVER HAD TO DEAL WITH IN THE PAST, THAT WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH NOW. SO ADVANCES IN TECHNOLOGY REQUIRE -- I THINK THE PUBLIC WANTS THEIR TESLA TO BE PUT OUT IF IT EVER LIGHTS OFF IN A GARAGE OR THEIR MOTORIZED SKEETER LIGHTS OFF IN THEIR GARAGE.
SO -- FROM A LITHIUM BATTERY, SO I THINK IN THE PATHS WE'VE SEEN INCREASES IN CALLS FOR SERVICE, WHICH ISN'T GOING TO BE ENOUGH.
WE'LL HAVE THAT INCREASE IN THE FUTURE AS WELL.
WHICH MY CRYSTAL BALL GETS FUZZY OUT THERE, BUT I CAN TELL YA, TECHNOLOGY IS NOT GOING TO STOP, AND THE PERILS WITH TECHNOLOGY
ARE NOT GOING TO STOP EITHER. >> AND THE ONE THING I'D ADD TO THAT IS THAT THE DEMOGRAPHICS OF THE COUNTY ARE CHANGING WITH IT.
AND AS THAT CHANGES, AN AGING POPULATION HAS MORE DEMANDS FOR SERVICE. MANY OF OUR CALLS ARE NOT WHAT I'D CONSIDER EMERGENCY CALLS FOR SERVICE BUT THEY'RE REQUESTS FOR RESPONSE FOR ASSISTANCE. ASSISTANCE IN LIFTING, FALLS, ULTRA CONSCIOUS LEVELS, THOSE ARE THE TYPE CALL VOLUMES WE SEE EXPEDIENTIALLY INCREASING AT THE SAME RATE THAT MAYBE OUR FIRE SERVICE LOAD IS DROPPING SLIGHTLY, AND ONE OF THE REASONS WE PLACE THE COMMUNITY PARA MEDICINE PROGRAM IN PLACE IS BOTH FOR THE OPIOID DMEN ANSWERS THAT WE'VE SEEN, BUT IT ALSO -- DEPENDENCY THAT WE'VE SEEN AND ALSO WHAT WE IDENTIFY AS VULNERABLES. IF WE GO TO REPEATED CALLS FOR SERVICE TO THE SAME PERSON, WE WANT TO GET IN TOUCH WITH THAT PERSON AND SEE WHAT WE CAN DO TO GIVE THEM ASSISTANCE WHAT THEY
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NEED ON A NON-EMERGENCY BASIS SO WE CAN REDUCE THAT RESPONSE IN THE FUTURE, MUCH LIKE WE WOULD DO WITH A FIRE PREVENTION PROGRAM, REPLACING SPRINKLERS OR INSPECTIONS, THINGS LIKE THAT.IT REALLY IS GOING OVER TO THE EMERGENCY MEDICAL SIDE.
AND WE'RE LOOKING AT WAYS TO REDUCE FUTURE CALL VOLUME BUT AS YOU CORRECTLY POINTED OUT, I DON'T SEE THAT TAKE PLACE.
I SEE THAT EXPANDING AS THE COUNTY EXPANDS IN THE FUTURE.
>> SO YOU'RE PROPOSING EIGHT NEW STATIONS, AND I KNOW THAT SEVERAL OF OUR CURRENT STATIONS ARE, AS YOU MENTIONED, VIRGINIA VILLAGE AND I KNOW A COUPLE OF THE OTHERS ARE GOING TO BE
RELOCATED -- >> OR RECONSTRUCTED.
>> SO -- AND WE'RE LOOKING AT A PLAN THAT GOES FOR THE NEXT BASICALLY 22 YEARS. IS IT GOING TO TAKE THE FULL 22 YEARS FOR THE PUBLIC TO SEE THESE EIGHT STATIONS OR WHAT'S THE PROJECTED TIMELINE FOR THOSE?
>> WELL, I'D LOVE TO HAVE A CRYSTAL BALL THAT WOULD TELL US THAT, BUT I THINK IT'S AS WE GET SERVICE LOAD NEEDS IN THOSE AREAS AND AS WE GET THE BUDGET TO DO IT.
IF I COULD WAVE A MAGIC WAND TODAY, I'D PLACE A NUMBER OF STATIONS IN SERVICE TODAY. I KNOW AS BOTH MY TIME AS ACTING COUNTY MANAGER AND THEN SINCE WORKING WITH THE NUT COUNTY MANAGER, I KNOW WHERE THE BUDGET LOAD IS, AND I KNOW THAT'S A LARGE LIFT, AND THE COUNTY HAS OTHER THINGS THEY WANT TO IDENTIFY TO WORK WITH. SO TO ME, UNLESS I SEE A MAJOR NEW REVENUE STREAM THAT CAN BE PARTNERED WITH WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE IN PLACE TO DO IT, IT IS DIFFICULT TO SAY.
NOW, THAT SAID, AS I SAID, I BELIEVE PENNY FARMS AND THE FUZZY LANES STATION, WHERE THE 315 STATION IS, IS SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO BE IN VERY IMMEDIATE NEED ADDITION TO RELOCATING THE GREEN COVE SPRING STATION, THE VIRGINIA VILLAGE STATION, AND AS WE POINTED OUT THE LAKE ASBURY STATION AS SOON AS WE POSSIBLY CAN. AND THAT'S ONLY PART OF IT BECAUSE AS YOU SAW FROM THE PROJECTION, MIDDLEBURG YOU WHERE SERVICE LOADS ARE ANTICIPATED TO EXPAND.
I LOOKED AT DESIGNS FOR 600 UNIT APARTMENT COMPLEX JUST NORTH OF MIDDLEBURG HIGH SCHOOL. WOW.
I CAN'T EXPAND THE MIDDLEBURG STATION TO THAT BRANDON FIELDED BLANDING STATION GOES UP ON THE PRIORITY LIST PRETTY QUICKLY IF WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT THAT BECOMING A REALITY.
AND IT'S NOT HARD TO DRIVE WARNED THAT WHOLE EXPRESSWAY INTERCHANGE AND SEE THOSE CHANGES TAKING PLACE.
SO I THINK THERE ARE SOME VERY IMMEDIATE NEEDS AND WE'LL TEND TO MOVE THEM UP THE CHAIN. BUT HOW QUICKLY, THAT DEPENDS ON
WHERE THE BUDGET IS. >> ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY HAVE THEIR ZONING ALREADY SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO COME BACK FOR
>> THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH COUNTY STAFF, BUT NOT --
>> YEAH. >> COMMISSIONER SULLY, YOU HAVE
I THINK WE SHOULD JUST MOVE TO --
>> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, CHIEF.
>> THE NEXT SLIDESHOWS YOUR FEES BASED ON THE PLAN FOR FIRE AND RESCUE FACILITIES. YOU'RE NOTICE ON THE RIGHT-HAND SIDE THE TOTAL COST IS $122 MILLION.
OF THAT THE QIEWN HAVE TO COME UP WITH $90 MILLION AND THE IMPACT FEES WOULD GENERATE ABOUT $62 MILLION.
ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS, MA'AM, ON FIRE RESCUE?
>> I THINK WE'RE GOOD. AND MOVING ON TO LAW ENFORCEMENT. WORKED WITH OUR CLAY COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE STAFF AND CAME UP WITH A LIST OF WHAT THEY FELT BASED ON THE CALL VOLUMES AND EXPANSION SERVICES THAT THEY WOULD NEED AS A REMINDER IMPACT FEES OR CIP DOLLARS CANNOT BE USED FOR PERSONNEL BUT WE CAN USE IT FOR THE INCIDENT CREASE IF WE BRING ON 20 NEW DEPUTIES AND CAN USE IT TO BUY THE 22 CARS THE FIRST TIME. ANY REPLACEMENTS HAVE TO BE PAID FOR OUT OF CIP. SO AT THIS POINT IN TIME I'LL LET THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE SPEAK TO THEIR NEEDS.
>> GOOD MORNING, VICKYED A PMS. CSO FOR THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE.
THE SHERIFF HAD A CONFLICT WITH HER MEETING SCHEDULE TODAY SO SHE APOLOGIZE FOR NOT BEING HERE.
I LIKE TO THANK THE COUNT FOR WORKING WITH US.
WE PRESENTED OUR NEEDS AND HAD SEVERAL DISCUSSIONS AND PARTICIPATED IN MEETINGS WITH YOU, AS WELL.
JUST TO KIND OF LEVEL SET FOR THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE TO GIVE EVERYONE IN THE AUDIENCE KIND OF A BACKGROUND AS WELL.
WE HAVE PRIMARY RESPONSIBILITY TO RESPOND OVER 400,000 ACRES WITHIN CLAY COUNTY. THAT'S 1,REIGH 25 ROADWAYS, 1,825 MILES OF ROADWAYS AND 30 MILES OF WATERWAYS.
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WE PROVIDE CROSSING GUARD COVERAGE FOR ALL OF THE PUBLIC SCHOOLS AND CHARITY SCHOOLS. SIMILAR TO FIRE, WE FOCUS -- CHARTER SCHOOLS. SIMILAR TO FIRE WE FOCUS ON RESPONSE TIME AND IN 2021 ALL OF THE SHERIFF'S OFFICES REPORTED OUR AVERAGE RESPONSE TIME WAS 9 MINUTES AND 56 SENDS.THE GOAL IS 6 MINUTES. SO WE ARE WAY ABOVE WHERE WE WANT TO BE, AND WE ARE WORK TOWARDS THAT.
AS A COMPARISON, OUR COUNTIES THAT SURROUND US, DUVAL IS AT 6.2. AND ST. JOHNS IS AT 5.39.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO GET TO THAT 6 MINUTE RESPONSE TIME.
AND HOW WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT IS TO IMPROVE OUR DPOWT 1,000-CITIZEN RATIO. CURRENTLY FOR 2021 WE ARE AT 1.19 DEPUTIES PER 1,000 CITIZENS.
THE STATE AVERAGE IS 1.PO 69. SO WE'RE ABOUT 100 DEPUTIES SHORT OF WHERE WE KNOW TO BE. SO WE ARE ALSO VERY CONCERNED ABOUT HOW WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO BE ABLE TO CONTINUE TO SERVE THE COUNTY. THE INTERSTATE WAS MENTIONED, THAT'S GOING TO BE A GAME CHANGER FOR US, AS WELL.
ANOTHER AREA THAT WAS TOUCHED ON WAS JAIL.
CURRENTLY WE ARE VERY BLESSED TO GET SOME OF THE AMERICAN RESCUE MONEY TO HELP TO EXPAND THE JAIL AND GIVE US A LITTLE BIT MORE LONGEVITY. BUT CURRENTLY THE JUST A MINUTE MA POPULATION HAS BEEN AVERAGING FOR 2021 AT 479.
FOR JAIL STANDARDS, 80% OF THAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED CAPACITY BECAUSE WE KNOW SPACE TO BE ABLE TO SEPARATE INMATES IF NEEDED FOR VARIOUS REASONS. SO WE ARE AT A CRITICAL POINT FOR THE JAIL. SO WE'RE VERY THANKFUL AT THIS POINT THAT WE DO HAVE SOME MONIES TO BEGIN TO EXPAND A JAIL, TO GIVES A LITTLE BIT OF LONGEVITY.
MAYBE ANOTHER THREE TO SEVEN YEARS.
BUT WITH THAT MEANT WE HAD TO GIVE OUR THIRD FLOOR OF OURED A MINUTE BUILDING, SO THE COUNT HAS BEEN GRACIOUS TO GIVE US SOME SPACE ON FLEMMING ISLAND NOW INSTEAD OF THE ADMIN BUILDING. SO PART OF US HAVE MOVED TO THE FLEMMING ISLAND SPACE. BUT PRIOR TO THAT MOVE WE WERE IN 17 OF THE COUNTY BUILDINGS WHICH NOW WE'RE IN 18 WITH FLEMMING ISLAND. SO YOU CAN IMAGINE BEING ABLE TO HAVE A CONSOLE THE DATED ADMINISTRATION BUILDING WILL HELP IMPROVE OUR EFFICIENCY, REDUCE COSTS, GIVE US ECONOMIES OF SCALE. SO WE HAVE ALSO BEEN VERY OPEN TO WORKING WITH THE FIRE AND OTHERS IN SHARING SOME OF THESE LARGER FACILITIES, MEANING AN ADMIN BUILDING, OUR FLEET, WE'RE BASICALLY OUTGROWN OUR FLEET AND YOU'LL HEAR WITH OUR ADDITIONAL NEEDS FOR MORE VEHICLES AS THE POPULATION GROWS, WE KNOW NEW DEPUTIES. WE'RE GONNA NEED A LARGER FLEET.
BUT THE COUNTY AS A FLEET, FIRE IS A FLEET, SO WE'RE OPEN TO SHARING THESE FACILITIES TO BE GOOD STEWARDS OF TAXPAYER DOLLARS AND ALSO TO WORK TOGETHER AS A TEAM.
SO CULL IMAGINE WITH THE INCREASE IN POPULATION, WE ARE LOOKING TOWARDS HOW DO WE ADDRESS THAT, AGAIN, GOING BACK TO OUR RESPONSE RATIO AND THE RESPONSIBILITIES TIME AND THE DEPUTY TO CITIZEN RATIO. WITH THAT, WE KNOW INCREASE OUR DEPUTIES, WITH THAT MEANS MORE VEHICLES, MORE EQUIPMENT, SPECIALIZED EQUIPMENT. I'VE SPOKEN TO THE NEED FOR OUR FACILITIES, AND WE ALSO HAVE SOME HIGH DOLLAR VALUES, SPECIALIZED EQUIPMENT, THAT WE KNOW A STORAGE BUILDING FOR.
RIGHT NOW IT'S SPREAD OUT ALL OVER THE COUNTY.
MOST OF IT IS SITTING OUTDOORS AND IT'S VERY EXPENSIVE.
AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE IT'S WELL TAKEN CARE OF.
SO WITH THAT, I WOULD JUST ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS HAVE YOU ABOUT ANY OF THE NEEDS THAT WE PRESENTED.
WE ALSO HAVE LOOKED AT THE FLORIDA TAX WATCH DOCUMENT THAT WAS PRODUCED IN MARCH OF 2022. RR.
JUST TO GIVE A FRAME OF REFERENCE, CLAY COUNTY'S POPULATION WAS RANKED 25 THE OUT OF THE 67 COUNTIES, WHICH WE'RE IN THE UPPER THIRD OF POPULATION AND IN COMPARISON, ST. JOHNS IS RANKED 23RD. DUVAL 6, AND PUTNAM 40.
HOWEVER BECAUSE OF KIND OF THE NEEDS YOU'VE BEEN HEARING FROM US AS WELL AS FIRE AND THE COUNTY, THE FUNDING THAT WE'VE HAD HISTORICALLY HAS PUT US 63RD OUT OF 67 COUNTIES FOR PUBLIC SAFETY FUNDING. COMPARATIVELY ST. JOHNS IS 29 OUT OF 67. DUVAL 11.
AND EVEN PUTNAM COUNTY RANKS HIGHER THAN US, 56.
SO AGAIN I WOULD ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE ABOUT OUR NEEDS AND WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE MEETING THE NEEDS OF OUR CITIZENS OF CLAY COUNTY AND MEET THE GROWING NEEDS OF THE POPULATION COMING IN, AND AS I MENTIONED, THE NEW INTERSTATE WILL BE A GAME CHANGER FOR US, AS WELL.
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>> QUESTIONS? >> I JUST HAVE A QUICK QUESTION.
SCHOOL BOARD DEPUTIES. ARE THEY INCLUDED HERE ANYWHERE?
>> NO, THEY ARE NOT. >> IF WE PROVIDED THAT SERVICE WOULD THEY BE INCLUDED IN THESE NUMBERS?
>> IF THE SHERIFF HAD TO PROVIDE THAT SERVICE, YES.
BUT IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THE RECENT ELECTION THEY RECEIVED THEIR ADDITIONAL FUNDING, SO THAT WILL BE MAINTAINED.
>> COMMISSIONER SPHWHURK. >> CAN YOU GO OVER AGAIN THE
INMATE NUMBERS THERE AGAIN. >> SURE.
OUR AVERAGE POPULATION FOR 2021 WAS 479.
THE CAPACITY OF THE JAILS AT 492.
BUT FOR JAIL STANDARDS, 80% IS CONSIDERED CAPACITY, WHICH WOULD BE 393. SO WE ARE OVER CAPACITY.
THAT IS WHY WE ARE WORKING ON THE PROJECT OF EXPANSION.
AND IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT IF WE'RE NOT ABLE TO DO THE PROPER SEPARATION THAT WE KNOW TO AND WE GET OVER CAPACITY FOR A LONG TIME, THERE COULD BE SOME OVERSIGHT THAT COMES IN FOR THE JAIL SAYING THAT WE'RE NOT HANDLING THESE THINGS PROPERLY.
SO WE ARE PLEASED THAT WE'RE DOING THIS EXPANSION THROUGH THE @RPO MONEY BUT AGAIN ASK THAT WE LOOK STRATEGICALLY LONG TERM ABOUT A LONG-TERM SOLUTION, BECAUSE, AGAIN AS THE POPULATION GROWS, UNFORTUNATELY WE WILL HAVE MORE GAPS THAT WE'LL HAVE
TO TAKE CARE OF. >> WHEN IS IT THAT THE INMATES HAVE TO BE MOVED TO A DIFFERENT COUNTY? I KNOW THAT WAS A TOPIC BEFORE ALSO, A CERTAIN NUMBER OF -- IS
THAT THE 393 -- >> I KNOW IN THE PAST BECAUSE WE WERE IN -- COVID DIDN'T HELP, BUT WE, THE SHERIFF WAS ABLE TO TALK WITH SOME SURROUNDING DHIEWNS HAD SOME CAPACITY.
WE WERE ABLE TO MOVE SOME OF THE INMATES ON OCCASION.
BUT THAT COST COMES SOMETIMES WITH A FEE AS WELL, BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, PROVIDE THEIR MEALS AND THEIR MEDICAL AND ALL
OF THAT, AS WELL. >> BUT IF YOU GO OVER CAPACITY, IS IT REQUIRED BY THE STATE THAT YOU MOVED THEM TO A DIFFERENT COUNTY OR WHAT HAPPENS THEN IF YOU GO OVER 492?
>> I BELIEVE CHIEF FLEMMING YOU CAN SPEAK MORE TO THAT.
>> I'M SURE THAT WILL BE HAPPENING.
>> IF IT WOULD BE A LONG TERM THING, ABSOLUTELY.
BUT WE KNOW TO TRY TO TAKE DUE CARE AND PROJECT THAT AND KNOW THAT IT'S OCCURRING AND COME UP WITH SOLUTIONS.
>> I DON'T HAVE A SPECIFIC NUMBER ON THAT.
>> OKAY. >> YOU DON'T KNOW -- OKAY.
>> I THINK -- AT ONE POINT WE WERE BE GIVEN A NUMBER AS TO THE COST TO REHOUSE AN INMAY AT ANOTHER FACILITY.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE THAT NUMBER? IF WE SHOULD REACH THAT THRESHOLD -- I RECALL IT AS BEING SIGNIFICANT.
>> IT WAS SIGNIFICANT. AGAIN, YOU HAVE TO MAINTAIN THEIR MEDICAL CARE, THEIR -- PROVIDE THEM THEIR PERSONAL HYGIENE ITEMS, THREE MEALS A DAY AND SO FORTH.
SO IT'S -- IT WAS MORE EXPENSIVE THAN TO COME UP WITH A SOLUTION
INTERNALLY WITH EXPANSION. >> QUESTIONS?
>> I DON'T HAVE A QUESTION. I DO HAVE JUST A COMMENT.
BOTTOMLINE IS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE JAIL IN THE SENSE OF THE OWPS BUT THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS THAT WE DETERMINE TO TAKE THE INTERIM STEP TO GIVE US SOME TIME TO BE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD AND COME UP WITH A PLAN WHERE WE CAN FUND SOMETHING THAT WOULD TAKE US FURTHER INTO THE FUTURE.
SO I DON'T WANT CITIZENS TO THINK THAT WE'RE SITTING AND HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING. THAT PROJECT IS UNDERWAY AND I REMEMBER, I THINK IT WAS SOMETHING LIKE 80 BEDS, I THINK, IS WHAT WAS GOING TO ADD TO IT. SO CERTAINLY NOT ENOUGH THAT WE WOULD LOVE IT TO BE MORE, BUT OBVIOUSLY THERE ARE PLANS IN PLACE AND I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT PROJECT STANDS AT THIS POINT IN TIME BUT WHEN THE SHERIFF GETS A MOMENT, MAYBE WE'LL HAVE HER COME BACK AND GIVE US A REPORT AS TO WHERE WE
STAND MOVING FORWARD ON THAT. >> AND I WOULD JUST ADD YES, ABSOLUTELY, AND IT IS IN PROGRESS.
THAT'S WHY MOST OF US HAD TO MOVE OUT OF THE CURRENT BUILDING INTO THE FLEMMING ISLAND BUILDING TO ALLOW FOR CONSTRUCTION TO START. SO THAT WAS KIND OF THE FIRST STEP, WAS GET US OUT SO THEY COULD THEN BEGIN THE
THANK YOU. >> AND THAT WAS LIKE FIVE OR $6 MILLION, WASN'T IT VERSUS LIKE $30 MILLION TO BUILD A NEW
I BELIEVE ARPO, WE RECEIVED OVER $4 MILLION.
80 BEDS. >> IT WAS 4 MILLION OF THE @RPO BUT WE PUT IN ANOTHER $4.8 MILLION.
IT WAS 8.8 MILLION TOTAL. >> I WAS THINKING ABOUT $9.
BUT I DIDN'T WANT TO QUOTE THAT. >> I THINK SOME OF THAT WAS FOR OTHER REPAIRS IN THE JAIL PRIOR TO THIS.
>> YEAH. THERE'S ABOUT $9 MILLION BEING INVESTED TOTAL. SOME OF THAT WAS FOR PERSONNEL FOR THE HEALTH OFFICERS, SOME OF THAT WAS FOR OTHER THINGS.
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WE GOT STATE APPROPRIATION OF A MILLION DOLLARS TOWARD THE JAIL.SO ALL IN ALL IT'S $8 TO 9 MILLION.
BUT THAT'S NOT JUST SPECIFICALLY FOR THE JUST A MINUTE OCCUPANCY.
>> SAFETY CONCERNS, STUFF LIKE THAT.
>> SHE'S WRITING. DO YOU WANT --
>> THE EXPANSION AT ONE POINT, I THINK WE WERE TOLD IT SHOULD MEET OUR NEEDS THROUGH -- DOES ANYBODY HAVE THE --
>> 3 TO 7 YEARS, CORRECT? >> CORRECT.
>> 3 TO 7 YEARS. >> AND I JUST HAD A COMMENT.
THAT'S MY CONCERN. IT SEEMS LIKE OUR COUNTY CONTINUES TO BE BEHIND IN EVERYTHING WE DO.
SO WE ARE THINKING ABOUT LOOKING AT THE FUTURE TO MAKE SURE IT'S TAKE THEN CARE OF SO THAT'S MY WAY OF THINKING THERE.
>> THANK YOU. >> ANYTHING ELSE.
OKAY, THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU, CHIEF. >> SO I DO WANT TO MAKE ONE CLARIFYING STATEMENT. VICKY MENTIONED 17 BUILDINGS, 18 BUILDINGS NOW. OF THOSE THE COUNTY OWNS 2 OF THEM, CORRECT? WE ONLY OWN 2.
THE ADMINISTRATION BUILDING AND THE FLEMMING ISLAND BUILDING.
I GUESS MY POINT IS OUT OF THE 18 BUILDINGS, WE DON'T OWN EVERY ONE OF THOSE TO BUILDINGS. A LOT OF THOSE ARE LEASED FACILITIES AND I WANT TO BE CLEAR THAT THEY'RE NOT ALL COUNTY-OWNED FACILITIES. THE SO NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
THIS IS THE FEETS THAT CAME UP MAXIMUM ALLOWED HE FEES.
AGAIN, TO REACH THIS STANDARD WOULD BE $104 MILLION OF WHICH THE COUNTY WOULD HAVE TO COMMIT $78 MILLION OVER THE NEXT 23 YEARS. OUT OUT OF CIP.
>> ON THIS SLIDE WE HAVE A GROWTH POPULATION OF ABOUT 74,000 BUT ON THE FIRE RESCUE GROWTH AND SERVICE POPULATION
IT'S $150,000. >> AND I'LL LET CARLOS GET INTO THE DETAILED BUT HIGH LEVEL, IT DEPENDS ON YOUR SERVICE AREA.
SO WE PROVIDE ALL SERVICES FOR GREEN SPRINGS, FOR FIRE RESCUE.
WE DON'T PROVIDE THOSE FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT BECAUSE THEY HAVE THEIR OWN POLICE DEPARTMENT, SO YOUR FEES ADJUST BY NOT ONLY RESIDENTIAL FACTOR BUT ALSO WORKER FACTOR, PEOPLE COMING IN TO DO WORK. CARLOS, DO YOU WANT TO EXPAND?
SO WE CALCULATE WHAT WE CALL A SERVICE POPULATION FOR EACH DIFFERENT IMPACT FEE CATEGORY INCLUDED IN THE STUDY.
AND FOR EACH CATEGORY INCLUDED WE WAIT FOR WORKERS DIFFERENTLY BASED ON DATA THAT'S AVAILABLE. SO FOR EXAMPLE, FOR THE FIREFIGHTER AND RESCUE IMPACT FEE, ONE OF THE UPDATES THAT WE MADE IN THIS REVISION WAS THAT WE GOT OUR HANDS ON THE MOST RECENT CALL DATA SHOWING WHERE THE COUNT -- WHERE COUNTY FIRE RESPONDS TO THE DIFFERENT CALLS. SO WE CALCULATE CALLS PER RESIDENT, FOR THE CALLS THAT WERE GOING TO RESIDENTIAL LAND USES IN THAT SERVICE AREA, AND THEN CALLS PER WORKER FOR THE CALLS THAT WOULD GO INTO COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL AND BASICALLY ALL OF THE MONTH RESIDENTIAL AREAS.
USING THAT INFORMATION WE COULD THEN WAIT FOR THE WORKERS.
SO COMPARED TO EVERY RESIDENT, A WORKER HAS 1.37 TIMES THE AMOUNT OF DEMAND FOR FIRE AND RESCUE. SO WHEN WE CALCULATE THE FIRE AND RESCUE SERVICE POPULATION, WE USE THAT WORKER FACTOR 1.DISPLEFN THAT GIVES US RESIDENT EQUIVALENT, WHICH, WHEN YOU ADD A LEVEL HIGHER THAN YOUR RESIDENCE AND A MUCH GREATER SERVICE POPULATION. IN CONTRAST FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT WE DID NOT HAVE CALLS, DATA AT THAT THE SAME LEVEL OF DETAIL THAT SHOWS WHERE ALL OF THE CALLS WERE RESPONDING.
SO WE USED SORT OF A GENERALIZED APPROACH FOR ESTIMATING SERVICE POPULATION. THE IDEA HERE HE IS THAT WORKERS WOULD GENERATE CALLS FOR SERVICE WHILE THEY'RE PHYSICALLY IN THE COUNTY. SO WE ARE LOOKING AT .31 WHICH IS AN PROXIMATION OF THE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT A WORKER WOULD BE IN THE COUNTY RELATIVE TO A RESIDENT.
SOMEONE THAT WORKS AND LIVES IN THE COUNT WOULD BE HIGHER BECAUSE PART OF THEIR DEMAND WOULD BE CAPTURED UNDER THE RESIDENTS AND PART WOULD BE CAPTURED UNDER THE WORKERS.
IN ANY EVENT THAT SERVICE POPULATION, ASIDE FROM IT BEING A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT SERVICE AREA, WE WOULD WEIGHT IT WITH A DIFFERENT WORKING FACTOR .31 AS OPPOSED TO 1.37 FOR FIRE AND RESCUE. ALL THAT TO SAY IS WE'RE TRYING TO CAPTURE VARYING LEVELS OF DEMANDS BETWEEN RESIDENTS AND PEOPLE THAT WORK IN THE COUNTY AND THAT'S REFLECTED IN THE SERVICE POPULATION. SO IT'S DIFFERENT FOR EVERY FEE CALCULATION, AND FURTHER FOR EXAMPLE FOR PARKS WE THINK OF ONLY RESIDENTS AS CREATING DEMAND FOR THOSE FACILITIES SO YOU WILL SEE A DIFFERENT SERVICE POPULATION IN THE PARKS CHAPTER, AGAIN CONSTRAINED TO ONLY THE RESIDENTS EAR THE
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UN-INCORPORATED COUNTIES FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND COMMUNITY PARKS FEES OR COUNTYWIDE FOR THE REGIONAL PARKS FEE.>> OKAY. >> I HAVE A QUESTION FOR CARLOS.
CARLOS, THESE STANDARDS, ARE THEY INDUSTRY DERIVED OR ARE THEY COMPANY DERIVED? THEY ARE BOTH.
IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ACRES PER THOUSAND RESIDENTS, THAT'S
SORT AN INDUSTRY WIDE POACH. >>> THE THE CONTENTS ARE
SIMILAR. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON LAW
. >> THE NEXT TWO SECTIONS I'M GOING TO KIND OF TALK TOGETHER AND WE'LL SEPARATE THEM OUT.
ORIGINALLY WE HAD AN OVERALL PARK FEE LOOKING AT BOTH THE REGIONSNAL PARK, NEIGHBORHOOD PARK, COMMUNITY PARKS AND TALK TO THE DEVELOPER COMMUNITIES AND THINGS CAME OUT THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE PARKS LOOKED AT BASED ON DISTRICT SO THAT THE MONEY GENERATED IN LAKE ASBURY, FOR EXAMPLE, WOULD GO BACK TO LAKE ASBURY. WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO SEE HERE IS WE'RE PROPOSING ADOPTING THE MOBILITY FEE ZONES OR SPENDING THE DOLLARS GENERATED, SO THEREFORE DOLLARS GENERAL THE RATED IN KEYSTONE AREA WOULD GO BACK TO THE KEYSTONE AREA FOR PARK IMPROVEMENTS. TO DO THAT WE HAD TO SEPARATE THE REGIONAL PARKS FROM THE COMMUNITY PARKS BECAUSE THE REGIONAL PARKS SERVE EVERYBODY AND WOULD YOU WANT TO BE ABLE TO USE THOSE DOLLARS FOR THE REGIONAL PARKS AND NOT HAVE THEM CONSTRAINED TO A DISTRICT. THE FIRST SECTION IS COMMUNITY PARKS. WHEN WE DID THIS, WE DECIDED TO GO WITH THE CONFERENCE COMPLIANCE STANDARDS.
INSTEAD OF TRYING TO MAINTAIN THE LEVEL OF STANDARDS THAT WE HAVE, WE LOOKED AT WHAT IS IN YOUR COMP PLAN.
WHAT DOES IT SAY THE LEVEL OF SERVICE FOR YOUR COMP PLAN IS.
ON THE SCREEN RIGHT NOW REFLECTS YOUR COMP PLAN STANDARDS.
SO IT TAKES HOW MANY RESIDENTS PER ACRE AND BREAKS IT DOWN TO A PER 1,000. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
AND THEN IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIE YOU'LL SEE WHERE WE CURRENTLY EXCEED OR HAVE A DEFICIT FOR EACH OF THOSE FACILITIES. BECAUSE WE'RE USING THE COMP PLAN STANDARD AND HAVE EXISTING DEFICITS, IF WE'RE GOING TO ADOPT THIS AS THE STANDARD THEN OF COURSE THE COUNTY HAS TO MAKE UP THAT DEFICIT OVER THE SAME COURSE OF TIME TO MAINTAIN THE LEFT OF STANDARDS SO THAT YOU'RE CHARGING THE DEVELOPERS ONLY FOR THE INCREASE THAT THEY ARE CREATING.
IN THIS CASE, THE COUNTY WOULD HAVE TO COMMIT $18 MILLION OVER THE NEXT 23 YEARS TO BRING YOUR FACILITIES UP TO THAT STANDARD.
NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. THEN WE GENERE THE FEE, AGAIN, TO SHOW WHAT YOU THAT FEE IS. NEIGHBORHOOD PARKS, AS CARLOS MENTIONED. DO NOT GET CHARGED TO COMMERCIAL, BUT ONLY RESIDENTIAL .
>> NEXT SLIDE. WE LOOKED AT THE REGIONAL PARK AS YOU'RE ALL FAMILIAR THE PARK AT STATE ROAD 21 NORTH OF THE INTERSECTION THE COMPLEX THAT THE COUNTY CURRENTLY HAS PHASE 1 WORKING ON. WE'VE ASKED THROUGH CHARLIE'S OFFICE, THROUGH PARKS AND REC, WE'VE ASKED TO DO AN ESTIMATE OF WHAT IT WOULD COST TO BUILD OUT THE ENTIRETY PARK, ALL OF THE PHASE THAT CAME TO BE ABOUT $40 MILLION.
SO IF THE COUNTY DECIDED TO IMPLEMENT THE REGIONAL PARK, THE COST TO DO THAT WOULD BE $40 MILLION AND OF THAT -- NEXT SLIDE... THE COUNT WOULD GENERATE ABOUT $6 MILLION FROM IMPACT FEES AND THE QIEWN HAVE TO COMMIT $33 MILLION TO ACHIEVE THAT REGIONAL PARK OVER THE 23-YEAR PERIOD OF TIME. AND THEN YOU'LL SEE THE COST THERE IS BY EACH IMPACT FEE STANDARD.
OKAY. AND THEN THE LAST PART OF THE IMPACT FEE SUDDEN IS TALKING ABOUT LIBRARY CULTURE FACILITIES. THIS ONE GOES BACK TO GOING BASED ON THE EXISTING LEVEL OF STANDARD AND MAINTAINING THE EXISTING LEVEL THAT YOU HAVE. UNDER LIBRARIES AND CULTURE, WE PUT IN ALL OF THE LIBRARIES, THE SENIOR CENTERS AND MUSEUMS IN MIDDLEBURG. WE CAME UP WITH THE AVERAGE PRICE FOR MATERIALS UNDER THE LIBRARY STANDARD, AND IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, BASICALLY WHAT IT COMES OUT TO DO IS
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YOU'RE HAVING 682 SQUARE FEET OF BUILDINGS FOR EACH THOUSAND RESIDENTS IN THE COUNTY, HAVE YOU ABOUT 1200 ITEMS FOR EVERY THOUSAND RESIDENTS IN THE COUNTY YOU IF LOOK AT THIS IN INCREMENTS, WE SHOULD BE MAINTAINING THAT STANDARD AS WE GO FORWARD. IF WE'RE NOT MAINTAINING THAT STANDARD THEN YOU'RE OVERCHARGING THE DEVELOPMENTER.THE IDEA WOULD BE TO MAINTAIN THIS CURRENT LEVEL OF SERVICE STANDARD INTO THE FUTURE. AND TO THE COMMISSIONER'S POINT EARLIER, YOU'LL SEE ON THE RNTDZ WHAT ARE THE EXISTING LEVEL SERVICES FOR LIBRARIES AND WHAT THE STATE'S ESSENTIAL LEVEL SERVICE -- THEY HAVE A TIERED SYSTEM.
IT'S THREE LEVELS, MORE ESSENTIAL IS WHAT YOU SHOULD BE MEETING BASELINE AND THEN IT GOES UP FROM THERE.
AS YOU CAN SEE, WE'RE NOT AT THE ESSENTIAL LEVEL CURRENTLY.
ANY QUESTIONS ON LIBRARIES? >> THE FEET THAT WOULD BE GENERAL THE RATED, LIBRARY CULTURE FACILITIES COULD NOT BE CHARGED THROUGH COMMERCIAL, SO ONLY CHARGING THEM THROUGH THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES. AND WITH THAT I HAVE NO FURTHER
OTHER QUESTIONS FOR TROY OR CARLOS?
[PUBLIC COMMENTS]
OKAY. I THINK WE'RE READY TO OPEN IT UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. I WOULD REMIND THE PUBLIC TO PLEASE FILL POUT AN INFORMATION CARD.I HAVE NONE. IF ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO US, YOU CAN APPROACH THE MIECT PHONE.
>> I HAVE MY CARD FILLED OUT AND WILL BRING IT UP TO YOU.
MY NAME IS MICHAEL BERET, 3168 HIGHWAY 17 SOUTH, FLEMMING ISLAND, FLORIDA. I'D LIKE TO THANK THE STAFF FOR MING WITH US. WE HAD MULTIPLE MEETINGS TO DISCUSS THIS AND OBVIOUSLY, IT'S A HUGE CONCERN FOR US AND SO I WANTED TO START OFF BY THANKING THE STAFF FOR BEING AVAILABLE TO AT LEAST DISCUSS THIS AND START WORKING ON SOME IMPROVEMENTS.
I WANTED TO START OFF BY SHARING WITH THE BODY A BOOK THAT WAS WRITTEN BY THE FOUNDERS OR BY THE FATHERS OF IMPACT FEES.
THE NAME OF THE BOOCT IS CALLED DEVELOPMENT IMPACT FEES.
IT'S WRITTEN BY JAMES NICHOLS FROM THE UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA, ALSO WAS PART OF THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY IMPACT FEE CONSULTANT TEAM. ARTHUR NELSON AND JULIAN JAGGENMEYER. SO THEY LISTED OUT 7 STEPS TO CREATE AN IMPACT FEE. THE FIRST IS TO ESTABLISH FACILITY STANDARDS. THERE'S A HUGE CONCERN WITH THE STUDY BECAUSE THE STUDY DOESN'T TALK ABOUT STANDARDS IT DOES RECREATE SOME STANDARDS. THE SECOND IS TO IDENTIFY CURRENT DEFICIENCIES. OTHER THAN THE REPORTS, WE'VE NOT SEEN ANY STUDY THAT TELLS US WHERE OUR ACTUAL DEFICIENCIES ARE. THERE'S NOT BEEN A STUDY DONE ON FIRE OR POLICE OR PARKS TO ACTUALLY STAND AND TELL US WHERE WE KNOW TO GO. THAT'S A REQUIREMENT FOR IMPACT FEES. WE KNOW A PORTION OF COSTS FOR DEVELOPMENT. THERE IS SOME OF THAT IN THIS.
THERE'S NOT A LOT OF THE DETAIL THIS WE WOULD NORMALLY SEE FOR AN IMPACT STUDY. BUT THERE IS SOME OF THAT.
DETERMINING CREDITS, AGAIN, THERE IS SOME OF THAT, BUT IT'S NOT SPECIFIC OR IN DEPTH LIKE YOU WOULD NORMALLY SEE IN AN IMPACT FEE STUDY . THE FIFTH DETERMINING EXTRAORDINARY COSTS, THE SIXTH IS INCORPORATE TIME AND PRICE DIFFERENTIAL, WHICH THIS DOES DO.
AND THEN THE SEVENTH IS TO DESCRIBE THE BENEFIT TO THE FEE PAYERS AND I WOULD ARGUE THAT THIS DOES NOT SPELL THAT OUT.
THIS IMPACT FEE SUDDEN IS 49 PAGES.
THIS IS SIX SEPARATE IMPACT FEES.
NORMALLY FOR EVERY IMPACT FEE WE'LL SEE AT LEAST A 100 PAGE STUDY FOR EACH, WHICH WOULD BE A 600 PAGE DOCUMENT WITH ALL OF THE BACK-UPS, ALL OF THE INFORMATION PROVIDED TO ACCURATELY ASSESS WHAT AN IMPACT FEE SHOULD BE.
THIS IS 49 PAGES PER 6. I WILL ARGUE THIS CONSULTANT DID
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NOT DO THEIR JOB. I GUESS MY TIME HAS EXPIRED.I WILL CONCLUDE. THANK YOU SO MUCH.
>> THANK YOU. >> GOOD MORNING.
GEORGE EGAN, 1845 -- APPRECIATE THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS PUTTING THIS WORKSHOPPING TO. ALSO APPRECIATE THE TIME OF STAFF, PARTICULARLY TROY. MY PHONE BUZZED AT 9:00 ON WEDNESDAY NIGHT, TROY SENT ME AN EMAIL FOR THE DOCUMENTS, SO A SHOUT-OUT TO TROY FOR WORKING SO HARD AND ALSO WORKING WITH US TO TRY TO COME UP WITH A BETTER PRODUCT.
WE'RE NOT KIDDING OURSELVES THINKING WE'RE GOING TO BUILD HOUSES AND NOT HAVE PARKS OR FIRE STATIONS OR POLICE STATIONS. SO THAT'S ALL OF THE PROCES THAT WE HAVE INTERNALLY TRYING TO MAKE A GREAT COMMUNITY.
NOTWITHSTANDING WE THINK THE ANALYZE THAT HAS BEEN DONE SO FAR NEEDS A DEEPER DIVE, NEEDS TO BE VETTED GOING DOWN SEVERAL MORE LEVELS. I THINK THE REPORT MISSES THE COSTS THAT THE COUNTY HAS TO ABSORB AND THAT HAS TO BE INCLUDED IN THE ANALYSIS. THERE ARE SIX SEPARATE FEES WHICH ARE SIGNIFICANT, ALL OF WHICH NEED FURTHER ABETTING.
AND KIND OF IS A REMINDER, EVERY TIME YOU COLLECT A FEE, HAVE YOU EIGHT YEARS TO SPEND IT, OKAY, AND IF YOU DON'T SPEND IT IN EIGHT YEARS YOU HAVE TO GIVE THE MONEY BACK OR ANOTHER REMINDER, IF YOU HAVE A HIGH LEVEL OF SERVICE AND FIVE YEARS FROM NOW YOU SAY THIS LEVEL OF SERVICE IS TOO HIGH, WE KNOW TO LOWER IT, EVERYBODY'S PAY A FEE UP TO THEN AND YOU NEED TO GIVE SOME OF THEIR MONEY BACK. THIS WHOLE LOOKS TO BE CAREFULLY ORGANIZED AND PRESENTED IN ORDER TO MAKE SURE THAT WE AS A COUNTY AVOID THIS PROBLEM. A COUPLE OTHER ISSUES, INSIDE THE MASTER PLAN, THERE'S A PARK ELEMENT.
SO -- WE HAVEN'T DONE THIS YET BUT OTHER PROPERTY OWNERS HAVE PUT PARKS IN BUT THERE'S NO CONSIDERATION FOR THAT.
SO YOU PUT YOUR PARKS IN AND THEN THERE'S A FEE ON TOP OF THAT. SO I THINK THAT NEEDS FURTHER DISCUSSION IN TERMS OF HOW TO MAKE THAT FAIR.
AND THEN FINALLY THE EMPLOYMENT NUMBER, I THINK WE ALL AGREE, WRONG. SO REALLY THE CHALLENGE IS HOW DO WE FIND A BETTER NUMBER. RIGHT NOW AND THE NEW NUMBER GOES TO 56,000. WE DID A CALCULATION AND PICK UP MAYBE 5,000 EMPLOYEES A YEAR. THAT WOULD BE 2 MILLION SQUARE FEET OF OFFICE AND RETAIL DEPENDING ON HOW YOU DO YOUR MATH. I THINK THE EMPLOYEE ELEMENT NEEDS TO BE FIXED. I KNOW THERE'S A SOLUTION OUT THERE, I DON'T KNOW WHERE IT IS YET.
AND AS ONE OF TROY'S COMMENTS IF WE LOWER THE EMPLOYMENT NUMBER IT ACTUALLY INCREASES THE IMPACT FEE TO THE RESIDENTIAL WORLD.
THAT'S FINE BUT I WANT IT TO BE FAIR, ACCURATE AND KIND OF BULLETPROOF. THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU. >> I HAVE A CARD.
I'LL GET IT TO YOU. I'M WITH THE ROGERS TOWERS FIRM REPRESENTING THE NORTH OF EAST FLORIDA BUILDERS ASSOCIATION.
LIKE MICHAEL AND GEORGE, I WANT TO THANK THE STAFF WE'VE MET TWICE WITH THEM AND CHEIF MOCK WERE AT ALL OF THOSE MEETINGS WELL. I THINK THEY'VE BEEN VERY PRODUCTIVE. THE REVISIONS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE, WE SEE THOSE REVISIONS AS POSITIVE.
SO THINGS ARE HEADED IN OUR VIEW IN A DIRECTION OF HAVING A BETTER, MORE EFFECTIVE, MORE ENFORCEABLE SET OF FEES AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE INTERESTED IN. AT ONE POINT IN THE MEETING, GEORGE SUGGESTED SOMETHING AND ONE OF THE STAFF SAID, YOU KNOW, THAT MIGHT END UP WITH A BIGGER FEE AND GEORGE SAID, OKAY, MY INTEREST IS NOT A SMALLER FEE, MY INTEREST IS IN HAVING AN EFFECTIVE ENFORCEABLE FEE. AND SO WE APPRECIATE THE DIALOGUE THAT WE HAVE HAD WITH STAFF.
I WANT TO JUST FOCUS N TWO THINGS VERY BRIEFLY.
AREAS WHERE WE HAVE -- STILL HAVE REMAINING CONCERNS, I LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING FURTHER WITH STAFF ONE HAS TO DO WITH IDENTIFYING EXISTING FACILITY DEFICIENCIES.
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THAT IS A PART THAT IS MISSING FROM THE STUDY.I LEAVE IT UP TO THE CONSULTANT TO EXPLAIN WHY IT'S NOT NEEDED, BUT THERE IS NONE OF THAT IN THE STUDY.
AND WE THINK THAT IS A KEY PART AND AS DOES MUCH OF THE MATERIAL, ET CETERA, ABOUT IMPACT FEES, ALL SAY THAT IDENTIFYING EXISTING DEFICIENCIES A KEY PART BECAUSE YOU CANNOT USE IMPACT FEE REVENUES TO FIX OR PAY FOR EXISTING DEFICIENCIES. EVERY NEW HOMEBUYER OVER THE COURSE OF THAT HOMEBUYER'S -- LIVING IN THAT HOME IS GOING TO PAY SOME TAXES ANY IMPACT FEE SYSTEM WHICH IS ENFORCEABLE AND EFFECTIVE, GIVES THAT HOMEOWNER CREDIT FOR THE KINDS OF TAXES AND OTHER THINGS THAT HE WILL PAY DURING THE LIFE OF THAT HOME. USUALLY THOSE CREDITS ARE DETERMINED BY LOOKING AT HISTORICAL DATA, HOW FUNDS WERE USED, WHAT'S AVAILABLE IN THE FUTURE.
SOURCES LIKE TAXES AND OTHER THINGS THAT A FEE PAIR WOULD HAVE. THAT WAS NOT DONE IN THIS PARTICULAR STUDY, THIS PARTICULAR STUDY TOOK A DIFFERENT PROCEED, WHICH I WON'T GO INTO.
BUT IT'S DIFFERENT THAN YOUR MOBILITY FEE STUDY, WHICH DID TAKE A VERY CAREFUL CREDIT APPROACH.
THIS ONE DID NOT. THOSE ARE THE ONLY POINTS I'LL MAKE IN MY 3 MINUTES BUT WE DO LOOK FORWARD TO CONTINUED DIALOGUE WITH YOUR STAFF. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THIS
WORKSHOP AND FOR THE TIME. >> THANK YOU.
>> ALL RIGHT. MS.Y LANE SMITH.
>> I AM THE ARTISTIC DIRECT OF THE THEATER COMPANY, WE CURRENTLY DON'T HAVE A PERMANENT FACILITY.
AND THIS IS MY FIRST EXPOSURE TO THE CONCEPT OF FACT FEE -- IMPACT FEES. I WOULD LIKE TO ENCOURAGE THE COMMISSIONERS TO CONSIDER THAT CLAY COUNTY IS WOEFULLY LACKING IN ARTS AND CULTURE. AND IF THERE'S ANY WAY THAT THESE FEES CAN GO TO IMPROVE THAT SITUATION I WOULD ENCOURAGE TO YOU LOOK INTO THAT. THAT'S REALLY ALL I HAVE TO SAY.
>> NEXT, ERIC SACKS. >> GOOD MORNING.
I'M IN ST. JOHNS BUT WORKING OVER HERE.
I AM A REPRESENTATIVE FROM OPERATION LIFELINE, WHICH IS A NONPROFIT THAT FOCUSES ON VETERAN HOUSING.
AND WE'RE HOPING TO -- BETWEEN THAT AND MY FOR PROFIT CONSTRUCTION COMPANY, WE'RE HOPING TO WORK WITH THE HOUSING FINANCE AUTHORITY TO BUILD SOME AFFORDABLE HOUSING OVER HERE OR TO ADD TO THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN CLAY COUNTY.
AND I WOULD JUST ASK THAT AS THE BOARD IS REVIEWING THIS AND LOOKING AT INCREASING FEES THAT YOU MAKE CONSIDERATIONS FOR POTENTIALLY PUTTING IN WAIVERS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT WHEN IT COMES TO THOSE AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECTS.
YOU'RE PROBABLY FAMILIAR WITH THE HT FA LENDING PROGRAMS THAT THEY HAVE TO WAIT AFFORDABLE HOUSING TO REQUIRE TO US SELL AT NOT GREATER THAN $250,000. IF YOU INCREASE THE IMPACT FEES IT'S CUTTING MARGINS EVEN MORE AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE NOT WORKING IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY BECAUSE YOU CAN'T MAKE AFFORDABLE HOUSING WHEN THE IMPACT FEES ARE SO HIGH.
SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT DOING IS OFF-SETTING THE IMPACT FEES BY FUND, MAYBE SOMETHING FOR CLAY TO CONSIDER AS WELL BUT I ASK THAT YOU CONSIDER THAT WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THIS. THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU. >> THE LAST CARD I HAVE IS
AUSTIN NICHOLAS. >> I'M ALWAYS TIN NICHOLAS.
MY NAME IS ADDRESS IS ON THE CARD.
I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO THE STAFF AGAIN AND HOWARD AND TROY FOR ALL OF THEIR WORK WITH US ON THIS ISSUE BECAUSE AS SOMEBODY THE STAYED EARLIER, WE HAVE MADE PROGRESS BUT STILL NOT WHERE WE THINK IT NEEDS TO BE BUT WE DO APPRECIATE ALL OF THEIR EFFORT ON THESE ISSUES. SO I'LL JUST GET STARTED BY SAYING IF THESE IMPACT FEES PASS, WE WILL BE TYING THE HANDS OF FUTURE COMMISSIONS FOR THE NEXT 20 YEARS BY COMMITTING TO SPEND $227 MILLION IN NON-IMPACT FEE REVENUES.
WE WILL ALSO BE COMMITTING CLAY COUNTY CITIZENS TO THAT SAME $227 MILLION IN NEW NON-IMPACT FEE SPENDING WITH THE TOTAL PRICE TAG COSTING APPROXIMATELY $370 MILLION INCLUDING THE FEES.
THIS SHOULD BE BASED ON A LIVES NEEDS, NOT A LIST OF WANTS.
FURTHER, THE LACK OF DETAIL AVAILABLE ON THIS IMPACT FEE STUDY IS CONCERNING. TYPICALLY 40 TO 50 PAGES
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EXPLAINING EACH FEE AND PROVIDING THOSE CURRENT DEFICIENCIES AND ALL OF THOSE DIFFERENT STUDIES FOR EACH SPECIFIC FEE, AND THIS ENTIRE, AS MENTIONED PREVIOUSLY, IS 50 PAGES GHTSZ, YET PER EACH FEE THAT WOULD USUALLY BE 40 TO 50 PAGES EXPLAINING IT. AND THIS HAS FOUR TO FIVE PAGES EXPLAINING EACH FEE. I THINK CLAY COUNTY HAS BEEN POORLY SERVED BY THIS CONSULTANT AND THE LACK OF DETAIL THEY PROVIDED IN THE STUDIED. WE HEARD FROM THE COUNTY EXPLAINING THE SUBSTANTIAL DEFICIENCIES IN THE CURRENT SYSTEM. I ABSOLUTELY EMPATHIZE WITH THAT. BUT IT'S KEY TO UNDERSTANDS WHAT YOU CAN AND CAN'T DO WITH IMPACT FEES.FOR EXAMPLE, YOU CANNOT USE IMPACT FEES TO ADDRESS ALL THE DEFICIENCIES THE COUNTY HAS LISTED.
THE FACT THAT THE COUNTY DECIDED TO USE VOLUNTEER STATIONS DOES NOT MEAN YOU CAN USE THE IMPACT FEES TO MAKE UP FOR THOSE ISSUES. YOU ALSO CAN'T USE IMPACT FEES TO PAY FOR PERSONNEL MEANING SHERIFF'S DEPUTIES AND FIREFIGHTERS. SO MUCH OF THE NEEDS WERE DISCUSSED TODAY ARE CURRENT DEFICIENCIES, MEANING THESE FEES CAN'T BE USED TO FIX THEM. BUT OTHER THAN THAT, JUST APPRECIATE YOUR -- YOUR WILLINGNESS TO WORK WITH US ON THIS AND FOR HAVING THIS PUBLIC HEARING.
>> NEXT PERSON WHO WANTS TO SPEAK?
>> GOOD MORNING. MY NAME IS RONNIE HUTCHINSON.
I SPEAK FROM BOTH SIDES OF THE COIN HERE.
I REPRESENT -- I'M A REPRESENTATIVE FROM LOCAL 3360 BUT ALSO LIVE AT 2163 -- ON FLEMMING ISLAND.
SO WHAT CHIEF MOCK PRESENTED SPEAKS LOUDLY.
TO ME IT DOESN'T SPEAK LOUD ENOUGH ON THE POTENTIAL FIRE STATION'S MAP HERE. IF YOU COULD TAKE AWAY ALL THE RED DOTS FOR POTENTIAL STATIONS AND LET'S ADD IN ALL OF THE DEVELOPING -- THE DEVELOP THAT'S GOING IN AND SEE IF WE COULD -- THE DEVELOPMENT THAT'S GOING IN. AND SEE IF WE CAN JUST GIVE ADEQUATE STAUFFER WHAT'S GOING IN THERE.
AND THAT'S A REALLY HARD ANSWER I THINK WE HAVE TO PROBABLY GIVE OUT THERE. AT SOME POINT THIS IS GOING TO OUTRUN US EXPEDIENTIALLY. WE WON'T BE ABLE TO KEEP UP WITH THE CALL VOLUME. AS A MEMBER OF THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, I WANT TO PROVIDE THE HIGHEST AMOUNT OF HELP AND BEST QUALITY THAT WE CAN. WE WILL MANAGE.
THAT'S WHAT WE DO EVERY DAY. WE MANAGE IT EVERY SINGLE DAY.
OUR SUPERVISORS MAKE SURE WE DO. AS A FIREFIGHTER ON A TRUCK, I MAY BEING SURE WE DO. THE OTHER THING, AS A RESIDENT ON FLEMMING ISLAND, I MOVED OUT THERE OVER 30 YEARS AGO, IT WENT FROM TWO LANES ON HIGHWAY 20, AND EAGLE HARBOR, STILL ONE FIRE STATION. THAT DISTRICT USED TO SERVE ONLY FLEMMING ISLAND. NOW OUR DISTRICT EXTENDS OWL OUT INTO ORANGE PARK SOUTH, 209 PAST WALKINS ROAD AND 315 OVER HERE BEHIND THE WINN DIXIE AND WE MAINTAIN THIS EVERY DAY.
THOSE EXTENDED RESPONSE TIMES AND CALL VOLUME INCREASE -- INCREASED BUT SOME OF THESE NEW STATIONS WILL BE CLOSER TO THOSE RESIDENTS THAT ARE CALLING 911. SO I DON'T WANT TO LOWER OUR STANDARD RIGHT NOW OR OUR QUALITY OF CARE OR OUR RESPONSE TIMES TO ANYBODY IN CLAY COUNTY. SO WE DO SUPPORT THESE IMPACT FEES. THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE AND YOUR FELLOW MEMBERS HERE TODAY. ANYONE ELSE WANTING TO SPEAK FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS? OKAY.
[COMMISSIONERS' COMMENTS]
SEEING NO MORE, I WILL BRING IT BACK FOR COMMISSIONER COMMENTS.>> YOU'VE HEARD SOME OF THE COMMENTS HERE, SOME NOT SO FAVORABLE TO THE REPORT THAT YOU'VE JUST PROVIDED.
YOU CAN COMMENT ON YOUR REPORT AS IT COMPARES TO MAYBE SOME OF THE OTHER COUNTIES THAT YOU'VE WORKED FOR AND THE COUNTIES THAT YOUR FIRM HAS PUT THE IMPACT FEE REPORTS TOGETHER FOR.
>> ABSOLUTELY. SO THE FIRST COMMENT THAT WE DID NOT QUANTIFY DEFICIENCIES NOT CORRECT.
THE $227 MILLION FIGURE THAT WOULD NEED TO BE FUNDED BY OTHER PLANNING SOURCES IS THE DEFICIENCY.
SO THAT DEFICIENCY IS NOT BEING FUNDED BY FEE PAIRS.
IT'S BEING FUNDED BY OTHER SOURCES AND ABSOLUTELY ACCOUNTED FOR CORRECTLY. IN TERMS OF THE LENGTH OF REPORT I WOULD SAY THAT THE REPORT COMES IN AS A TYPICAL REPORT LENGTH. I AM LOOKING CURRENTLY AT ANOTHER COUNTY FEES, NASSAU COUNTY RECENTLY ADOPTED A COUPLE OF YEARS BACK, IT IS A SIMILAR LENGTH, ROUGHLY AROUND 60 PAGES.
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I DON'T THINK WE'RE, LACKING ANY DOCUMENTATION IN TERMS OF JUSTIFYING THE FEES THAT ARE PROPOSED.OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, THE METHODOLOGY HERE AND THERE, WE KNOW THE REQUIREMENT BOTH IN TERMS OF THE FLORIDA IMPACT FEES AND ALSO THE CASE LAW THAT HAS DEMONSTRATED HOW IMPACT FEES SHOULD BE CALCULATED AND MEET THOSE REQUIREMENTS.
SO I THINK YOU ARE GETTING A QUALITY REPORT.
THAT SAID, I'M HAPPY TO LISTEN TO SPECIFIC CONCERNS ABOUT SPECIFIC METHODOLOGY OR SPECIFIC NUMBERS HERE OR THERE.
YOU KNOW, WE'RE STILL HAPPY TO WORK WITH THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY THROUGH YOUR COUNTY STAFF TO MAKE SURE THAT WE INCORPORATE ALL THE VALID CRITICISM, AND WILL CONTINUE TO DO SO TO GET YOU A WORK PRODUCT THAT IS ACCEPTABLE TO ADOPT.
THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS. >> WHAT ABOUT IN TERMS OF NUMBERS OF EMPLOYEES THAT WILL BE IN THE TOWN? THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT SEVERAL OF OUR PUBLIC COMMENT FOLKS BROUGHT
SO, YOU KNOW, THAT IS ONE PLACE WHERE THE NUMBER THAT WE USE IS -- I WOULD SAY PRETTY ASPIRATIONAL OR OPTIMISTIC IN TERMS OF THE EMPLOYMENT GROWTH. WE LIKE TO SOURCE OUR ASSUMPTIONS BACK TO THIRD PARTY DATA SOURCES, AND IN THIS CASE THE COUNTY HAD RECENTLY ADOPTED THE MOBILITY FEE AND THE TOTAL JOB PROJECTION IS CONSISTENT WENT THAT FIGURE THAT WAS ALREADY ADOPTED IN THE MOBILITY FEE.
MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE MOBILITY FEE USED, I WOULD SAY, THE MOST ASPIRATIONAL OR MOST OPTIMISTIC APPROACH FOR US INVESTIGATING JOBS. TOOK A LOOK AT ALL OF THE LAND IN THE DHIEWN COULD HAVE JOB GENERATING USES AND THE HIGHEST JOBS THAT COULD BE LOCATED ON THOSE USES.
SO WE ARE CONSISTENT WITH THAT STUDY BUT IT IS A RATHER AGGRESSIVE PROJECTION. TO THE STHEABT THERE'S BEEN OTHER PLANNING TO UNDERSTANDS IN TERMS OF JOBS THAT WE COULD ALIGN WITH, THAT'S CERTAINLY AN OPTION AND I WOULD LIKE TO ECHO COMMENTS THAT I ALSO HEARD THAT IF WE ASSUME LESS GROWTH IN JOBS THE FEE PER UNIT WOULD GO UP, BUT WE'RE CERTAINLY HAPPY TO EVALUATE OTHER DOCUMENTS THAT WOULD GIVE US A REASONABLE
PROJECTION FOR THE JOB. >> AND WE HAVE TO LOOK FOR ANOTHER SOURCE OF DATA TO USE THAT POPULATION NUMBER.
I THINK THEY'RE ACTIVELY TRYING TO SEEK OUT OTHER SOURCES THAT WAS THE NUMBER THAT THE TPO CAME UP WITH AND THE LOCAL NUMBER THAT WE CAN USE FROM A PLANNING STANDPOINT INS WE CAN FIND A DIFFERENT PLAN THAT'S BEEN ADOPTED LOCALLY THAT WE CAN USE
THAT NUMBER FROM. >> THANK YOU, TROY.
CARLOS -- >> LET ME JUST ADD TO THAT, TOO.
AND WE DID ASK IN OUR MEETINGS -- WE DID ASK THE MEMBERS THAT WE WERE MEETING THEY HAD ANY OTHER SUGGESTIONS,
AND AT THE TIME THEY DIDN'T. >> CARLOS, ALSO IT WAS A COMMON THEME ON A COUPLE OF OUR SPEAKERS THAT TALKED ABOUT DETERMINING CREDITS AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'VE NEVER HEARD IS CREDITS TO HOMEOWNERS. I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THAT, BUT GO AHEAD AND TAKE A SHOT AT THAT IF WOULD YOU.
>> YEAH. SO FOR EVERY CAT GORE IN THIS STUDY, WE ESTIMATE CREDITS. SO ESSENTIALLY IF A HOMEOWNER AFTER, YOU KNOW, THE HOME IS BUILT AND THEY MOVE IN, THEY'RE PAYING ALL SORTS OF DIFFERENT TAXES AND OTHER -- YES.
ACTUALLY THEY ARE CONTRIBUTING TO OTHER FUNDING SOURCES THAT ARE USED TO YOU FUND CAPITAL FACILITIES.
SO BASED ON FLORIDA CASE LAW, THEY MUST GET A CREDIT FOR THOSE OTHER FUNDING SOURCES. SO IF YOU LOOK AT REPORT, AND WE DIDN'T GET INTO THE MINUTIA AND PRESENTATION TODAY, BUT FOR EVERY E-CATEGORY WE CALCULATE A CREDIT BASED ON THE COMPLIANT CAPITAL SPENDING FROM YOUR CURRENTLY ADOPTED CIP.
SO IT TAKES THE NEXT FIVE YEARS OF CAPITAL SPENDING.
SO THESE ARE FULLY FUNDED CAPITAL PROJECTS FROM YOUR CIP, AND WE CAN ESTIMATE WHAT ON AVERAGE EACH RESIDENT WILL BE CONTRIBUTING IN TERMS OF THOSE CAPITAL SOURCES TO FUND GENERAL CAPITAL EXPANSIONS. AND WE CAN ESSENTIALLY FIGURE OUT THE PRESENT VALUE OF THOSE OTHER FUNDING SOURCES AND THEN SUBTRACT THAT FROM WHAT THEY WOULD BE PAYING FOR AN IMPACT FEE TO EITHER INCREASE LEVEL OF SERVICE OR MAINTAIN THE LEVEL OF SERVICE DEPENDING ON WHICH FACILITY CATEGORY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SO THAT THAT CREDIT FOR THE OTHER FUNDING THAT THEY ARE PAYING FOR THROUGH OTHER MEANS, THEY WOULD NOT BE DOUBLE PAYING FOR THAT SAME FUNDING THROUGH THE IMPACT FEE.
SO WE DO MAKE THAT CREDIT. IT IS CONSISTENT WENT FLORIDA CASE LAW. THERE ARE A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT
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APPROACHES COULD YOU USE. FOR MOST OF THESE CATEGORIES LIKE I JUST MENTIONED WE USE THE FIRED-LOOKING CIP WHICH AGAIN THE COUNTY HAS ALREADY ADOPTED AND THESE ARE THE FUTURE CAPITAL FUNDING SOURCES THAT WILL BE USED WITH THE EXCEPTION OF LIBRARY. SO FOR LIBRARIES, THE CURRENT CIP DOES NOT HAVE FUTURE CAPITAL PROGRAMS. SO WE USE A FIVE-YEAR LOOK-BACK AT THE GRANT THE LIBRARY AND CULTURAL FACILITIES HAVE RECEIVED AND USE THAT TO BASE THE CREDIT ON. SO WE ABSOLUTELY DO ACCOUNT FOR THE CREDIT. IT IS CONSISTENT WENT HOW IT'S DONE THROUGHOUT THE STATE AND MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE CASE LAW IN THIS AREA. THERE IS ALSO A DIFFERENT TYPE OF CREDIT, AND IT WAS MENTIONED IN THE MASTER PLAN, THAT HAS DIFFERENT PARK REQUIREMENTS. CERTAINLY IF A DEVELOPER DEDICATES PARKLAND THAT GOES TOWARDS YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD OR COMMUNITY PARKS OR THE OTHER AMENITIES, THEY COULD RECEIVE A CREDIT WHERE THEY WOULDN'T HAVE TO PAY THESE SAME IMPACT FEES THAT THEY WOULD REPRESENTED BY WHATEVER THEY DEDICATE TO THE COUNTY. SO THEY COULD CERTAINLY GET A CREDIT IN THAT WAY, AS WELL. BUT THE MAIN CREDITS IS AGAIN FROM THE FUTURE CAPITAL RESIDENTIAL CREDITS.I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY OTHER QUESTIONS IF YOU NEED FURTHER
EXPLANATION. >> THANK YOU, CARLOS.
ALSO ONE OF THE COMMENTS -- MADAM, I'M SORRY.
>> NO, NO. >> WE HAVE A TIME LIMIT OF EIGHT YEARS TO SPEND ANY MONIES COLLECTED.
SO THIS IS -- THIS WOULD BE A ROLLING KIND OF COLLECTION AND EXPENSE ON OUR PART, RIGHT? IS THAT WHAT THAT LEADS TO?
>> CORRECT. THE COUNTY WOULD NEED TO MONITOR THE IMPACT FEE RELATIVE NOW -- REVENUE COMING IN AND MAKE SURE IT MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE FLORIDA STATUTE.
>> MADAM, CHAIR, THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAVE RIGHT NOW.
>> OKAY. COMMISSIONER, DO YOU HAVE ANY?
>> I DID. SO A COUPLE THINGS CAME TO MIND.
WE'VE DISCUSSED THE CONCERNS ABOUT THE NATURE OF THIS REPORT AND INADEQUACIES OF IT. WE DISCUSSED THE DEFICIENCIES.
SOMETHING ELSE THAT CAME UP WAS A CONCERN FOR REFUNDING.
SHOULD WE -- RE-FUNDING. SHOULD WE MAP THIS OUT IN A WAY SUCH THAT WE'VE OVERESTIMATED AND NEED TO RE-FUND.
CAN YOU RAIN? A LITTLE BIT FOR ME?
>> CERTAINLY. IF THE COUNTY COLLECTS THE REVENUE THAT IT CANNOT ULTIMATELY SPEND ON A CAPITAL PROJECT THAT EXPANDS THE CAPACITY, THEN IT WOULD NEED TO REFUNDED THAT COLLECTIVE FEE REVENUE.
I WOULD SAY REFUNDS ARE PRETTY SCARCE IN IMPACT FEES, BUT CERTAINLY, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, IF IT COLLECTS THE MONEY FOR A NEED THAT DOESN'T MATERIALIZE, THEN THAT MONEY WOULD NEED TO BE
REFUNDED. >> AND THE OTHER QUESTION THAT I HAD WAS IF I HEARD YOU CORRECTLY, DID YOU SAY THAT THEE REQUIRED AS ADDITIONAL FUNDING, IS WHAT WE'RE SAYING THE
THAT'S A DEFICIENCY. AND, YOU KNOW, I CAN ADD MORE LANGUAGE TO THE REPORT SO IT'S -- IT MORE CLEARLY EXPLAINS THAT. BUT ESSENTIALLY THE $227 MILLION REPRESENT BRINGING EXISTING DEVELOPMENT UP TO THE LEVEL OF SERVICE THAT WE'RE CHARGING THE FEES AT.
AND SO IN OTHER WORDS YOUR EXISTING DEFICIENCY.
THIS DEVELOPMENT NEEDS TO BE AT THE HIGHER LEVEL OF SERVICE AND NEED TO PAY $227 MILLION SO THAT THEY GET THAT HIGHER LEVEL OF
SERVICE. >> IT'S A TERMINOLOGY THING BUT I CAN CERTAINLY EXPLAIN THAT MORE CLEARLY IN A FUTURE VERSION
OF THE REPORT. >> THROUGH THE CHAIR, IF I MAY.
CARLOS, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, IT'S NOT NECESSARILY A DEFICIENCY. IT'S BOTH A DEFICIENCY AND THE INCREASE IN LEVEL OF SERVICE THAT YOU'RE PROVIDING.
SO FOR EXAMPLE FIRE RESCUE, IF WE SAID TODAY'S LEVEL OF SERVICE, 8 MINUTE RESPONSE TIME, WHAT YOU WANTED TO KEEP, THEN YOU DON'T HAVE A DEFICIENCY, AND YOU WOULD MAINTAIN THAT SAME LEVEL OF SERVICE BY INVESTING THE SAME AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT YOU'VE ALREADY INVESTED. HOWEVER, BECAUSE YOU BOTH WANT TO INCREASE FOR DEVELOPMENT AND INCREASE YOUR LEVEL OF SERVICE, THAN PROPORTIONATELY THAT GETS CHARGED TO THE DEVELOPERS AND TO THE COUNTY, TO INCREASE THAT LEVEL OF SERVICE.
THAT'S A WAY TO PUT IT, YEAH. >> JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY IT'S NOT AN EXISTING DEFICIENCY. IT'S A DEFICIENCY PLUS THE INCREASED LEVEL OF SERVICE THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO REACH.
WHERE AS IN THE PARKS FEE, IT IS TRULY A DEFICIENCY, AND THAT'S WHY WE SAID WE'D HAVE TO BRING UP THE $18 MILLION TO GET YOU TO THE PARK LEVEL THAT YOUR COMP PLAN SAYS AND THEN DEVELOPERS WOULDFY MAINTAIN THAT LEVEL OF SERVICE.
I HOPE THAT CLARIFIES. >> IT DOES.
THERE IS A FIGURE THAT WE'RE MISSING HERE THEN.
I WOULD WANT TO KNOW IF THAT'S -- IF WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS TRUE, THEN YOU HAVE A DEFICIENCY FIGURE AND THE FIGURE
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TO REACH THE LEFTS OF SERVICE THAT WE'RE TRYING TO REACH.IS THAT RIGHT? THERE ARE CURRENT DEFICIENCIES, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THOSE FIGURES ARE, DO WE.
I WOULD SAY YOU'RE CURRENTLY AT A LEVEL OF SERVICE STANDARD, YOU'RE PROVIDING X LEVEL OF SERVICE.
GOING FORWARD, WE WANT TO PROVIDE Y LEVEL OF SERVICE.
SO BOTH, TO GET TO Y, YOU NEED TO BUILD STUFF TO INCREASE YOUR LEVEL OF SERVICE AND TO BUILD THAT STUFF YOU'RE GONNA NEED BOTH DEVELOPER CONTRIBUTIONS AND COUNTY CONTRIBUTIONS TO GET TO THAT NEW LEVEL OF SERVICE THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO ESTABLISH.
>> OKAY. >> THAT ANSWERS MY QUESTIONS.
>> SO WHAT I HEAR IS THEY WANT TO KNOW WHAT THE LEFT OF DEFICIENCY IS RIGHT NOW, HE THOUGH, BECAUSE THEY'RE SAYING THAT WE CANNOT USE THESE IMPACT FEES FOR THAT DEFICIENCY NOW.
SO HOW DO WE KNOW WHAT THAT IS BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO, YOU KNOW -- THAT'S WHAT I KIND OF HEAR THEM SAYING.
>> I WOULD GO BACK TO, AND CARLOS CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, I WOULD GO BACK TO YOU ESTABLISHED THE THE LEVEL OF SERVICE CURRENTLY. YOU'VE ESTABLISHED A LEVEL OF SERVICE THAT AN 8 MINUTE RESPONSE TIME FOR FIRE RESCUE, LET'S JUST USE THAT AS THE BASELINE, YOUR CURRENT EXCEPTIONAL LEVEL OF SERVICE, THAT YOU'VE ESTABLISHED IN THE COUNTY BASED ON PREVIOUS BUGS, BASED ON PREVIOUS CONSTRUCTION, WHATEVER. NOW, YOU HAVE TWO CHOICES.
YOU CAN SAY WE ONLY WANT TO MAINTAIN AN 8 MINUTE LEVEL OF SERVICE STANDARD. SO THEREFORE, WHAT DO WE KNOW TO DO TO MAINTAIN THAT? IF THAT'S WHAT WE WANT TO MAINTAIN, THEN THE NUMBER CHANGES BECAUSE IT'S THEN -- DEVELOPERS ARE ONLY BUILDING WHATEVER WE KNOW TO KEEP AN 8 MINUTE RESPONSE TIME. WE DECIDED THE 8 MINUTE RESPONSE SOMETIME NOT ACCEPT TONIGHT THIS COUNTY.
SO WE'RE GOING TO INCREASE THAT OR CHANGE THAT LEVEL OF RESPONSE. SO TO CHANGE THAT LEVEL OF RESPONSE WE KNOW TO BUILD ALL THE STUFF THE CHIEF'S OUTLINED.
TO BUILD ALL OF THE STUFF THE CHIEF HE'S OUTLINED WE KNOW THESE THINGS. AND OF THESE THINGS, PART OF THAT WILL BE ATTRIBUTED TO THE DEVELOPERS AND PART OF IT WILL BE CONTRIBUTED TO THE EXISTING CITIZENS IN THE COUNT BASED ON A PER CAPITA RATIO. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE?
>> OKAY. >> CARLOS, THAT A GOOD WAY TO
YOU KNOW, SO THE THING IS. >> ED DIFFERENCE TOWARDS THIS CATEGORY, 98.5 MILLION, THAT CONTAINS BOTH THE EXISTING DEFICIENCY AND THE INCREASE IN FACILITY STANDARDS.
ARE AT PRETTY MUCH 0 DOLLARS IN DEFICIENCY IF WE ARE GOING TO MAINTAIN WHAT WE'RE DOING RIGHT THIS SECOND WITH THE HOUSES, WITH THE POPULATION THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW.
>> CORRECT. >> THEN IF WE INCREASE, WHICH WE KNOW THAT PEOPLE ARE COMING, THEN THAT'S WHEN YOU START ADDING TO THAT DEFICIENCY? DOES THAT DUMB IT DOWN A LITTLE
BIT THERE? >> WELL, BASICALLY --
>> GO AHEAD, CARLOS. >> I WOULD SAY IN CONTRAST, USING THE GOVERNMENT JAILS AND CONSTITUTIONAL FACILITIES FEE AS A CONTRAST HERE, THERE IS NO DISHES THERE.
ALL OF YOUR FILLS ARE AT CAPACITY BUT THAT FEE WOULD FUND
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THE FACILITIES -- IF YOU LOOK AT TABLE 2.3, ACHIEVE FACILITY STANDARDS IN TERMS OF .11 ACRES PER THOUSAND RESIDENTS...IF WE JUST MAINTAIN THAT LEVEL OF SERVICE, THERE IS NO DEFICIENCY BECAUSE NEW DEVELOPMENT WOULD BE FUNDING FACILITIES AT THAT SAME LEVEL OF SERVICE.
NOW, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THIS AND THE FIRE FEE IS THAT THE FIRE FEE ENVISIONS THE HIGHER STANDARD IN TERMS OF MORE BUILDINGS, MORE LAND, MORE VEHICLES PER RESIDENT, AND THAT'S WHAT'S REALLY DRIVING THE DEFICIENCY, IS THE FUTURE FACILITIES THAT WILL BE BUILT RELATIVE TO THE FUTURE OF SERVICE POPULATION REPRESENTS THE INCREASE IN THOSE STANDARDS.
AND SO THAT'S ESSENTIALLY WHAT'S DRIVING THE DEFICIENCY IN THE
>> OTHER ACCIDENT INS. >> I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT THAT WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING CHIEF MOCK'S NEW STANDARD AND IT'S REALLY, YOU KNOW -- OR OUR STANDARD CHANGES, AND IT'S REALLY PREDICATED ON MFPA STANDARDS.
WE'RE NOT JUST INCREASING IT TO GET BETTER SERVICE.
WE'RE INCREASING IT BECAUSE THIS IS A NATIONAL STANDARD OF SERVICE TO COMMUNITIES THROUGHOUT THE UNITED STATES.
SO -- WHICH WE DON'T IMMEDIATE RIGHT NOW.
SO IF WE WANT TO BE RELEVANT TO SOCIETY AND PROVIDE SAFETY AND SECURITY, THE EXPERTS ARE SAYING, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE CERTAIN STANDARDS WE SHOULD MEET.
THAT'S ALL I WANT TO SAY. >> OAK.
>> I THINK SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT STAND OUT TO ME -- WELL, I ACTUALLY HAD A QUESTION, COURTNEY.
AFFORDABLE HOUSING WISE, I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT THAT, THAT THAT WOULD NOT BE -- IS THERE A LIMIT NUMBER WISE THAT THEY WOULD NOT
BE AFFECTED BY THIS? >> THERE IS THE THE PROFESSION AND DRAFT -- PROVISION AND DRAFT ORDNANCE THAT PROVIDES FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND BASED ON EVERYTHING WE RECEIVED.
>> OKAY. >> AND HOW WOULD THAT APPLY TO -- IF THEY DID MULTIFAMILY HOUSING? COULD IT APPLY THE SAME WAY? LIKE WHEN HE WAS TALKING --
>> I THINK IT DOES. I MEAN, I'D HAVE TO RUN IT
THROUGH TERESA, BUT, YEAH. >> OKAY.
-- GOOD QUESTION. OUR COUNTY IN THE PAST, WE'VE BEEN CONSERVATIVE TO A TALK, AND THAT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING I CONTINUE TO THINK ABOUT. HE WE ARE ALWAYS CRITICIZED AS COMMISSIONER THAT WE'RE NOT DOING A GOOD ENOUGH JOB TO GET THE INFRASTRUCTURE PREPARED AND THAT HAS DEFINITELY BEEN A PROBLEM IN THE PAST. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO NOW AND I DO THINK THAT THE JAT THAT CAME UP AND SPOKE THAT YOU'RE NOT SAYING THAT WE SHOULDN'T HAVE IT, BUT YOU'RE SAYING THAT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE TRY TO FIGURE IT OUT A LITTLE BIT BETTER THAN THIS. I THINK WE CAN'T SAY WE DON'T NEED IT. CLEARLY WE DEFINITELY NEED IT.
SO I -- ANOTHER COMMENT FROM VICKY THAT STANDS OUT AS FAR AS IT BEING 63RD, 67 AS FAR AS FUNDING FOR OUR SAFETY, CLEARLY TO ME WHEN I GET TO THE END OF MY TERM WHENEVER THAT, I WANT TO BE ABLE TO SAY THAT I'VE DONE MY JOB AS BEST AS I CAN POSSIBLY DO, AND RIGHT NOW I CANNOT SAY THAT IF THAT IS OUR NUMBERS.
SO AS COMMISSIONERS WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THAT AND WORK TOWARDS AS MUCH AS WE POSSIBLY CAN AND, YOU KNOW, MY CONSTITUENTS NOW, YOU KNOW, I'M LOOKING OUT FOR THEM BUT ALSO LOOKING OUT FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE FUTURE AND RIGHT NOW WHY SHOULD MY CONSTITUENTS NOW HAVE TO BE CONTINUING TO SUFFER WE'RE JUST WAITING FOR THAT FIRE TO COME.
IT'S SCARY TO THINK ABOUT BECAUSE WE'RE WAY AWAY FROM THAT 5 MILE RADIUS. SO AS WE CONTINUE TO THINK ABOUT WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO HERE, THOSE ARE MY MAIN CONCERNS.
>> IMPROVEMENTS, I I THINK I FIGURED IT OUT $9.6 MILLION A YEAR. HOW DOABLE IS THAT?
>> THE BUDGET CAN SUPPORT THAT. NOW WITH ANY BUG THERE'S GIVE AND TAKE SO WE'D HAVE TO EVALUATE WHAT CHOOSE TO DO, YOU KNOW, GOING FORWARD. BUT THAT IS A DOABLE NUMBER THIS WOULD REPLACE SOME OF WHAT YOU HAVE AS YOU GO DOWN THE ROAD.
SO RIGHT NOW WE'VE GOT FIRE STATIONS IN OUR BUDGET, IF IMPACT FEES WERE IMPLEMENTED, THERE'S A RATIO FOR REPLACEMENT FIRE STATIONS, WE'VE PUT A RATIO OF 5% BECAUSE THERE IS MORE BAYS AND A TROOTS THAT STATION. SO I THINK IT WOULD BE AN
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OFF-SET. I THINK IN YEARS 6 THROUGH 23 YOU WOULD HAVE TO PROGRAM ALL OF THIS IN TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE ACHIEVING THOSE GOALS. IF BAG FEES ARE DEVELOPED, THAT'S WHEN THE COUNTY WILL HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S A FIVE-YEAR, 10-YEAR, 20-YEAR ESTIMATE TO LOOK FOR BECAUSE ARE YOU COMMITTING THESE DOLLARS AND COMMITTING TO DO PROJECTS.SO WE WOULD NEED MAKE SURE WE LAY THAT OUT IN SUCH A WAY SO THAT IT'S CLEARLY TRANSPARENT THAT EVERYBODY'S GETTING WHAT THEY SAID THEY WOULD GET, THE COUNTY IS DOING OUR PART.
IF DEVELOPMENT INCREASES, OF COURSE YOU'RE GOING TO DRAIN MORE MONEY BUT THAT MEANS YOU'LL HAVE MORE NEED AND THAT'S WHY THE STATUTE REQUIRES EVERY FIVE YEARS AT A MINIMUM THAT YOU HAVE TO DO A NEW STUDY TO KEEP YOUR IMPACT FEES GOING AND HAVE TO ADJUST YOUR FEES ACCORDINGLY. THE COMMISSION COULD ALSO SAY WE WANT TO DO IT MORE OFTEN BUT YOU'RE AT A MINIMUM EVERY FIVE
>> HOPE THAT ANSWERS THE QUESTION.
>> YES. >> THAT WAS ONE THING I WAS THINKING ABOUT, SO YOU CAN DO A STUDY WHENEVER.
I MEAN IF WE GET -- TWO, THREE YEARS FROM NOW AND DON'T REALLY KNOW AT ALL WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WITH THE INFLATION AND EVERYTHING THAT'S HAPPENING THE RIGHT NOW WITH THE MARKET, AT ANYTIME WE CAN FIGURE OUT THE RIGHT NUMBER, CORRECT, IF WE
HAVE TO DO THAT? >> YOU CAN RE-DO ANOTHER STUDY JUST LIKE WITH YOUR MOBILITY FEE AND ADJUST THE FEES.
>> IF A DEVELOPMENT COMES IN AND FEELS THAT THIS IS NOT THE RIGHT STANDARD FOR THEIR DEVELOPMENT, THIS HE CAN DO THEIR OWN STUDY TO CHANGE THE FEES BASED BE ON WHAT IMPACT THAT DEVELOPMENT IS GOING TO HAVE. SO I WAB TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ALL LAYING OUT ALL OF THE DIFFERENT OPTIONS.
>> WELL, I GUESS MY COMMENTS, MY CLOSING COMMENTS WOULD BE THERE'S A LOT TO CONSIDER. IT'S BEEN NO SECRET THAT I AM THE NO TAX, NO FEE FROM MY OPENING STANDPOINT.
BUT REALLY I THINK A PICTURE IS WORTH 1,000 WORDS.
THANK YOU FOR PROVIDING US THE MAP IN A FULL PAGE BECAUSE REALLY THE PROPOSED FIRE STATION JUST FOR THE FIRE RESCUE, CHIEF MOCK'S WAS TINY. WE GOT A BIG FULL PAGE ONE, BUT THEY'RE REALLY SPREAD OUT THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE FAR SOUTH END OF THE COUNTY WHICH HAS THE NEWEST FIRE STATION IN KEYSTONE. BUT IF WE LOOK AT EIGHT PROPOSED NEW FIRE STATIONS THEY COVER REALLY ALL FIVE DESCRIBES.
AND I THINK THAT SHOWS THE GROWTH COMING INTO THE COUNTY THAT IS -- FOR CALLS FOR SERVICE THAT MAYBE AREN'T REFLECTED IN OUR BUILDERS BUILDING NEW HOMES. SO PEOPLE MAY BE BUILDING NEW HOMES AND MOVING TO THE NEW HOMES AND LEADING EXISTING HOMES THAT OTHER PEOPLE ARE MOVING INTO.
THOSE CALLS FOR SERVICE DON'T GO AWAY.
THAT'S PRETTY IMPACTFUL, SO I DON'T QUESTION THE NEED, ESPECIALLY IN THE FIRE RESCUE AND THE SHERIFFS DEPARTMENT NEEDS. I'M A LITTLE BIT CONCERNED THAT -- AND I THINK TWO YEARS AGO WE WERE TALKING ABOUT WE KNOWED 100 DEPUTIES AND WE HAVEN'T MADE UP THAT NUMBER.
THAT'S CONCERNING, BUT I UNDERSTAND THAT'S KIND OF THE POLITICAL CLIMATE, UNFORTUNATELY, PEOPLE NOT ENTERING THE -- THAT PROFESSION. HOPEFULLY WE HAVE A BETTER ENVIRONMENT FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS IN CLAY COUNTY THAT THEY FEEL APPRECIATED AND CERTAINLY WE KNOW THEM.
BUT THERE'S A LOT HERE TO CONSIDER.
I THINK THAT THERE'S MORE WORK TO BE DONE WITH STAFF AND SOME OF THE CONVERSATIONS, BUT I LOOK FORWARD MORE DISCUSSION.
I APPRECIATE ALL OF THE CONVERSATION TODAY AND THE PROFESSIONALISM AND, YOU KNOW, THERE REALLY IS QUITE A BIT HERE TO CONSIDER. AND AT THE END OF THE DAY, OUR CITIZENS DEMAND A CERTAIN LEVEL OF SERVICE AND WE HAVE TO PROVIDE THAT FOR THEM. YOU KNOW, IT'S INTERESTING TO ME, WHEN I WAS ON THE SCHOOL BOARD -- I WAS ON THE SCHOOL BOARD FROM '14 TO '18, AT ONE POINT WHEN I WAS ON THERE, WE HAD TO RENEW THE IMPACT FEE. TIME CAME TO RENEW IT.
AND THERE WERE SOME CALLS TO GET RID OF IT.
THE SCHOOL DISTRICT NEVER GOT RID OF THEIR IMPACT FEE, BUT THE BOARD OF COUNTY OF COMMISSIONERS DID.
AND I WONDER AT TIMES, YOU KNOW, THE FIVE OF US WEREN'T ON THE COMMISSION WHEN THAT CHOICE WAS MADE TO ELIMINATE THAT IMPACT FEE, BUT ESPECIALLY YOUR DISTRICT, COMMISSIONER BURK, BUT ALL OF OUR DISTRICTS FROM INFRASTRUCTURE STANDPOINT, WOULD WE HAVE BEEN BETTER OFF HAD THEY NOT MADE THAT DECISION AND BEEN A LITTLE BIT MORE FORWARD-THINKING, I GUESS.
BUT AT ANY RATE, HERE WE ARE. AND WE'LL DEAL WITH WHAT WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH. ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS?
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>> YEAH, THIS GOES BACK TO WHAT COMMISSIONER BURK WAS TALKING ABOUT. I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYTHING WRONG. I THINK IN SOME REGARDS ALL OF THE THINGS THAT YOU'VE TALKED ABOUT IN TERMS OF DEFICIENCIES COULD BE CORRECTED. WE COULD RAISE THE MILLAGE RATE NEXT YEAR. TAXES COULD BE RAISED IF YOU WANT TO LEVEL TO A CERTAIN EXTENT.
I DON'T LOOK AT THE IMPACT FEES AS A TYING OF THE HANDS OF FUTURE COMMISSIONS OR FUTURE RESIDENTS.
I THINK IT'S WITH A PLAN USING TAX MONIES OR IN THIS CASE IMPACT FEE MONIES, SAME THING REGARDLESS, BUT LETTING THEM KNOW WHERE I'S GOING TO BE SPENT SO WE'RE NOT JUST OUT THERE TAKING THEIR MONEYS AND SPENDING.
THERE IS GOING TO BE A PLAN AND THIS IS WHAT THE PLAN WILL BE AND THIS IS WHERE YOUR MONIES WILL BE SPENT.
AND I THINK THAT SHOULD BE A COMFORT TO MOST OF OUR RESIDENTS KNOWING THAT THERE'S SOUTHERN AMOUNT OF THINGS THAT ARE TARGETED THAT WILL BE PROVIDED FOR PUBLIC SAFETY NUMBER ONE AND NUMBER TWO QUALITY OF LIFE AND SOME OF THESE THINGS IN TERMS OF PARKS AND RECS AND LIBRARIES AND CULTURE, THOSE THINGS HAVE TO COME ALONG WITH EVERYTHING ELSE BUT A NOT ONLY DO PEOPLE NOT WANT TO SIT IN CONGESTED ROADWAYS BUT ALSO WANT TO BE IN A PLACE WHERE THE KIDS CAN'T COME AND PLAY AND THAT'S WHAT THE ATTRACTIONS ARE. NOW, WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH SCHOOLS, SO JUST IN TERMS OF THE REPORT, YOU KNOW, I'M VERY PLEASED TO SEE AS MANY OF THE BUILDING COMMUNITY COME OUT TO, YOU KNOW, SHOW US THAT THEY'RE INTERESTED AND WANT TO BE ABLE TO GET THIS RIGHT, WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO GET THIS RIGHT AND JUST SORT OF SURPRISED TO HEAR -- AND I WON'T DETAIL WHO SAID IT, BUT DIDN'T CARE WHAT THE FEE WAS AS LONG AS ALL OF THE NUMBERS WERE CORRECT. LE WITH, WE SHOULDN'T CARE HOW LONG THE PROPOSAL IS, WHETHER IT'S 40 PAGES OR 100 PAGES, AS LONG AS IT'S CORRECT AND HAS EVERYTHING THAT WE KNOW IN IT.
SO THIS HANG-UP WELL, WE HAVE TO HAVE SIX DIFFERENT REPORTS OF 50 OR 60 OR 80 PAINS OR MORE, GOVERNMENTS KNOWN FOR BEING TOO MUCH PAPER ANYWAY. SO IF THIS IS A LITTLE BIT LESS PAPERWORK AND A LITTLE BIT MORE PLAIN LANGUAGE AND STILL COVERS ALL THE ITEMS, THEN I'M ALL FOR MOVING IN THAT DIRECTION, AS WELL. AND SINCE WE'VE BEEN THROWING AROUND THE FLORIDA TAX WATCH.ORG NUMBERS -- BY THE WAY, THE SHERIFF GOT THAT FROM ME TO START WITH.
NOT THAT SPECIFIC ONE, BUT OTHERS, FOR EXAMPLE, I THINK PLAY COUNTY -- AND I DIDN'T CHECK THIS SPECIFICALLY BUT FOR THE FIRST FOUR OR FIVE YEARS. SO TO REALIZE WHAT YOU'RE GETTING FROM WHERE WE ARE IN TERMS OF SPENDING, YOU'RE GETTING QUITE A VALUE FOR YOUR DOLLAR, NO QUESTION ABOUT IT.
BUT THE NUMBER THAT I LOOKED UP. THE LATEST 2022 GUIDE AND PHYSICIAN WELL YEARS 2019 THROUGH '20 PER CAPITA COUNTY AND SCHOOL IMPACT FEES, ST. JOHNS COUNTY SPENDS ON A PER CAPITA BASES $168.11, NASA SPENDS $123.73, AND HERE COMES CLAY COUNTY, THE SCHOOL FUNDS AS WELL AS THE SCHOOL IMPACT FEE AS WELL AS MOBILITY FEE, $62.70. SO I THINK EVERYBODY SEES WE'VE GOT SOME ROOM TO BE ABLE TO MANEUVER DEVELOPERS, BUSINESSES AND ALL THAT WANT TO SEE THAT WE HAVE A PLAN TO CONTINUE AND IMPROVE THE QUALITY OF LIFE HERE IN THE DISTRICT AND I THINK THAT THESE FEES WHEN FINALLY APPROVED, WITH ALL OF THE VETTING THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE OR NOT DONE, I THINK THOSE THINGS WILL HELP US STAY ON TRACK. SO I APPRECIATE ALL OF THE THOUGHTS AS YOU MIGHT HAVE TOLD, I'VE TAKEN NOTES ON EVERYBODY'S COMMENTS AND WE WILL ADDRESS THOSE COMMENTS AND SEE IF WE CAN'T FIGURE OUT WHAT WE KNOW TO DO TO GET IT SO THAT EVERYBODY THINKS THAT WE'RE GOING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.
I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME MARKED AM CHAIR.
>> IF YOU DON'T MIND SHARING -- >> I THINK SOME OF THE DEVELOPERS HAD MENTIONED WORKING WITH YOU.
I THINK THE MORE WE CAN GET THAT BUY-IN.
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I'M A LITTLE BUILT CONCERNED ABOUT THERE BEING SO MUCH DISCREPANCY WITH THE WORKER NUMBER.AS I TALKED ABOUT AT BEGINNING, ONE OF MY REAL CONCERNS WAS AFFORDABILITY, SO I APPRECIATE THAT.
SO FROM MY STANDPOINT I THINK, YOU KNOW, THE MORE THAT WE CAN GET CLOSER ON THE BUY-IN, YOU KNOW, I APPRECIATE THAT THE WE'RE NOT AT AN ALL OR NOTHING. I WAS AFRAID THAT'S WHAT TODAY WAS GOING TO TURN INTO FROM THE LAST MEETING, AND SO IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE IT'S THAT -- TO THAT POINT.
I DON'T KNOW WHERE WE KNOW TO END UP BUT WE HAVE A COUPLE OF
WEEKS TO GET THERE. >> I DON'T THINK THERE'S EVER GONNA BE A POINT THAT WE ALL -- I GUESS JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THAT PERFECT NUMBER IS. THAT'S THE ONLY WAY I CAN SEE IT, ONLY THING I CAN THINK ABOUT.
SEEMS LIKE ALL OF THE OTHER THINGS CAN BE ADDRESSED.
IF YOU HAVE OTHER THOUGHTS, YOU CAN GIVE THEM TO TROY OFF-LINE.
>> MADAM CHAIR BOARD, JUST TO KIND OF WRAP THINGS UP, FIRST OF ALL I THINK OF THIS CUP AS SERVICE.
AS THE CUP FILLS UP WITH WATER OR POPULATION, IT COULD BE HALF FULL, IT COULD BE 3/4 FULL. THERE OBVIOUSLY WOULD BE SOME SORT OF DEFICIENCY THAT ARE THERE.
BUT THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IS OUR COUNTY GROWS, IT ALSO MUST MATURE. IE THE GLASS MUST GROW BIGGER, OKAY. AND THE LEVEL OF SERVICE MUST INCREASE. IF YOU ADD IN EVERY DROP OF WATER INTO THIS GLASS, THAT'S THE NEW FAMILY THAT MOVES INTO OUR COUNTY AND MUST BE SERVICED. WE DO NOT WANT THE CUP TO OVERFLOW. FOR EVERY FAMILY THAT MOVES IN, THERE'S A SERVICE TO BE PROVIDED.
SO I TRY TO PRESENT THAT AS JUST AS SIMPLY AS I COULD AND AS POSSIBLE AS I COULD TO SAY THIS IS JUST FILLING UP THIS SERVICE CUP AND MUST MATURE AND GROW IN SIZE AS WE GROW AS A COUNTY.
I WANT TO THANK EVERYBODY FOR THEIR INPUT.
I THINK WE'VE HAD SOME VERY GOOD DISCUSSION, SOME HEALTHY DISCUSSIONS THAT ARE HERE TO ENSURE THAT WE'VE GOTTEN TO A GOOD SPOT. I THINK WE'RE ALMOST THERE.
WE MAY HAVE SOME OFF-LINE COMMENTS HERE.
BUT DEFINITELY WE WERE TARGETING THE 13TH OF DECEMBER BOARD MEETING TO BRING THIS TO THE BOARD IF THAT'S ACCEPTABLE AND MADAM CHAIR, WE WOULD OBVIOUSLY BETWEEN NOW AND THEN HAVE A FEW MORE OFF-LINE COMMENTS AND DISCUSSIONS.
I WANT TO THANK CARLOS AND HIS TEAM.
AND ESPECIALLY WANT TO THE THANK THE COUNTY TEAM.
EVERYBODY HAS SPENT A LOT OF TIME TALKING ABOUT THIS, FROM PUBLIC SAFETY TO THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE TO EVERYONE.
I THINK WE ARE GETTING THERE. I TRY NOT TO LOOK IN THE REAR-VIEW MIRROR AND LOOK TOO MUCH ABOUT THE PAST.
I JUST TRY TO LOOK REALLY FORWARD HERE, AND THIS IS THE DIRECTION I THINK THAT'S VERY GOOD FOR US AS A COUNTY TO MOVE TOWARDS, ESPECIALLY AS WE'RE GROWING.
PENDING ANY OTHER QUESTIONS MARKED AM CHAIR, THAT'S ALL I
HAVE FOR THE BOARD. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ANYTHING ELSE. SEEING NONE, WORKSHOP
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.