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          >> OKAY LET'S TAKE OUR SEATS PLEASE. 
          OKAY YOU THE WOULD LIKE TO JOIN US WE'RE GOING TO DO OUR INVOCATION AND OUR PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE, PLEASE STAND, 
          COMMISSIONER RENNINGER. >> THANK YOU. 
          PLEASE JOIN ME IN PRAYER. LORD OUR HEAVENLY FATHER, ALTHOUGH WE FRET OVER MANY THINGS, THE WEATHER, ELECTIONS, INFLATION, HEALTH, BUDGETS, SCHEDULES, RELATIONSHIPS, WE SOMETIMES FORGET THAT THIS IS ALL PART OF YOUR GREAT EXPERIENCE OF LIFE. ALTHOUGH YOU'RE IN TOTAL CONTROL, WE DO HAVE SOME SPECIAL REQUESTS TONIGHT. 
          LOOK OVER CLAY COUNTY AS WE WEATHER TROPICAL STORM NICOLE, WESTBOUND OUR FIRST RESPONDERS AS THEY TEND TEND TO OUR CONSTIS AS THEY MAY BE UNABLE TO TEND TO LIFE'S DANGERS AND DISABILITIES, WATCH OVER OUR ACTIVE DUTY VETERANS. 
          MAKE GOOD DECISIONS WHICH REFLECT INCREASED QUALITY OF LIFE FOR OUR RESIDENTS WHO LIVE AND VISIT THIS GREAT COUNTY. 
          FOR ALL THIS WE PRAY IN YOUR HOLY NAME, AMEN. 
          >> TONIGHT'S VETERANS LED PLEDGE WILL BE BY CHIEF HOSPITAL CORPSMAN JACK BIDDLE. HMC BIDDLE RETIRED FROM THE U.S. 
          NAVY AT 23 YEARS OF SERVICE, HE SERVED WITH THE FLEET RECON FORCE IN VIETNAM AND HIS BACK SEAT QUALIFIED IN F-4 AND TA 4J AIRCRAFT. HE IS A MIDDLEBERG RESIDENT AND CURRENTLY VOLUNTEERS AS A CHAPLAIN FOR THE VIETNAM VETERANS OF AMERICA AND IS THE ASSOCIATE CHAPLAIN FOR VIETNAM VETERANS OF AMERICA CLAY COUNTY CHAPTER 1059. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE. TAKE IT AWAY. 
          >> FOLLOW ME IN THE PLEDGE I PLEASE. 
          I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. 
          >> WOULD YOU LIKE TO SAY A FEW WORDS FOR US? 
          >> YES, SERVED 23 YEARS, DID A LITTLE, GOT HIT AND GOT SHIPPED OUT OF VIETNAM. THAT WASN'T FUN. 
          OTHER THAN THAT IT WAS GOOD TIME. 
          AND GOOD CAMARADERIE. GOOD GR GROUP OF PEOPLE. 
          AND THEN I WOULD LIKE TO ADD A LITTLE PRAYER IN IF I COULD FOR THE COMMISSIONERS HERE. IS IT OKAY? LORD I WANT TO THANK YOU LORD FOR THESE MEN AND WOMEN HERE, ASK YOU LORD TO GUIDE THEM AND DIRECT THEM AND BLESS THEM AS THEY LEAD THIS COUNTY. AND LORD JUST ASK YOU TO WATCH OVER ALL OF US. GET US HOME SAFE. 
          KEEP OUR FAMILY SAFE AND LORD, EVERYTHING WE DO, WE GIVE YOU THE HONOR AND GLORY. AMEN. 
          >> AMEN. [APPLAUSE] 
          [CALL TO ORDER]
          >> FIND MY GAVEL HERE. OKAY WE'LL CALM THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS MEETING FOR NOVEMBER 9TH, 2022 TO ORDER. 
          LET THE RECORD SHOW THAT ALL THE COMMISSIONERS ARE PRESENT AND ACCOUNTED FOR. AND WE'LL START OUT WITH PET ADOPTIONS. NO? NO PET ADOPTIONS TODAY. ALL RIGHT. 
          [SPECIAL STAFF RECOGNITION]
FIRST UP WE HAVE A SPECIAL RECOGNITION. 
          THIS GUY NAMED WAYNE BOLLA IS SUPPOSED TO STEP UP TRONT HERE SO PLEASE JOIN ME UP FRONT HERE I GUESS. 
          >> MAYOR, YOU COMING? 
          >> WATCH YOUR STEP, DON'T TRIP. THAT WOULD BE BAD. 
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TODAY OF HONORING CHAIRMAN BOLLA. 
          CHAIRMAN BOLLA HAS FAITHFULLY SERVED CLAIK CLAY COUNTY SINCE S FIRST DISTRICT COMMISSIONER IN 2014. 
          HE CHAMPIONED MAJOR CAUSES, LIKE DIVERSIFYING NEIGHBORHOOD ROAD PROJECTS. A WELCOME TO CLAY COUNTY MONUMENT SIGN. WE'LL HAVE YOU BACK FOR A PHOTO OPEN. A BUSY L BUSINESS LICENSING PLA, CHANGES TO THE ANIMAL ORDINANCE ANDFUL OTHERS. 
          IN HIS SECOND TERM HE CONTINUED TO CHAMPION DRAINAGE ISSUES AND WORKED WITH THE BOARD TO MODERNIZE THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, REVISED THE SIGN AND ANIMAL ORDINANCES AGAIN AND DEVELOP COUNTY WIDE COMPREHENSIVE ROADS DRAINAGE AND SLID WASTE MASTER PLANS. CLAY COUNTY RECEIVED LEGISLATIVE DIRECTION FOR THREE PROGRAMS, HE ALSO LED THE EFFORT TO SECURE ADDITIONAL FUNDING TO COVER INFLATIONARY COST IN THE BONDED TRANSPORTATION PROGRAM, ENSURING THESE CRITICAL INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS WILL BE COMPLETED AS DESIGNED. 
          HE WORKED WITH THE BOARD TO FUND SEVERAL MAJOR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLANS AND AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN ACT PROJECTS INCLUDING FIRE RESCUE TRAINING TOWER, A INFLUENCE FIRE STATION FOR GREENCO SPRINGS, A CCSO GRANGE AND RANGE, AND HEALTH DEPARTMENT BUILDING. ADDITIONALLY CHAIRMAN BOLLA WORKED WITH THE BOARD TO SECURE ARPA FUNDING FOR MAJOR PROJECTS SUCH AS, PINECO AND I DON'T THINK THAT STATEMENT GIVES ENOUGH BALLOT SWEAT AND TEARS TO WHAT YOU GAVE TO THOSE PROJECTS. 
          PAVED THE WAY OR THE A SECOND PHASE AT OAK LEAF COMMUNITY PARK. CHAIRMAN BOLLA CURRENTLY SERVES AS THE BCC CHAIRMAN, CHAIR OF THE NORTH FLORIDA TPO AND FORMER CHAIR OF THE VALUE ADJUSTMENT BOARD. 
          IN ADDITION HE'S A MEMBER OF THE BIKES, BLUE WAYS AND TRAILS COMMITTEE WHICH MAY BE YOUR FINEST, YOUR MOST CHERISHED CHAIRMANSHIP. LIAISON TO THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE AND SERVES ON THE PUBLIC SAFETY COORDINATING COUNCIL AND CANVASSING BOARD. HE WAS AT THE ELECTIONS OFFICE UNTIL AFTER MIDNIGHT LAST NIGHT AND STILL CAME TO BE WITH US TODAY. CHAIRMAN BOLLA HAS BEEN A VALUED LEADER IN OUR COMMUNITY AND HAS SERVED THE RESIDENTS AND VISITORS OF CLAY COUNTY VERY WELL DURING HIS TENURE ON THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS AS CHAIRMAN IN 2017 AND 2022. 
          HE IS A STRONG BELIEVER THAT IT IS NOT ABOUT US BUT WHAT WE GET DONE TOGETHER THAT COUNTS. YOU WILL BE MISSED! AND WE WISH YOU THE BEST. [APPLAUSE] BUT BEFORE WE HAVE STAFF PRESENT THAT TO YOU SOMEONE ELSE MIGHT 
          WANT TO SAY SOMETHING TO YOU. >> CAN I DO IT OUT THERE SINCE I 
          LEFT MY NOTES OUT? >> YES YOU CAN. 
          >> GOT THAT, DON'T YOU? YOU KNOW I'M YOUR RIGHT-OF-WAY DON'T YOU? I THOUGHT THIS WAS GOING TO BE A ROAST BUT SORT OF MORE SERIOUS. THEY ARE TELLING ABOUT EVERYTHING YOU'VE DONE. I COULDN'T LET THIS MEETING GO BY WITHOUT SAYING A FEW WORDS ABOUT OUR CHAIRMAN OF THE VCC. 
          WAYNE IN THE EITHER 2000S, YOU LEARNED ABOUT THE OPPORTUNITY TO RUN FOR OFFICE IN CLAY COUNTY. AFTER MAKING OUR SON CHRIS AND I A TEACHER AGREED WE COULD HANDLE IT, YOU DECIDED TO RUN FOR SCHOOL BOARD IN 2004. WITH MICKEY FIELDS BLESSING YOU WERE ON YOUR WAY. KATIE AND I FINALLY REMEMBER GETTING PETITIONS SIGNED AT A MEETING AT ORANGE PARK HIGH SCHOOL WHETHER WHERE THEY WERE DISCUSSING OF ALL THINGS THE POTENTIAL FOR THE FIRST COAST EXPRESSWAY. 
          HELPING YOU REMEMBER YOUR NAME AND YOUR FIRST CAMPAIGN SPEECH WE DID HAVE TO TELL HIM WAYNE BOLLA. 
          DOOR KNOCKING, BALLOONS AT CONCERT ON THE GREEN, SIGN 
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WAVING, ATTENDING THE BAITS AND SIGNED DOWN BEING OUR CRY OF THE NIGHT BEFORE THAT FIRST ELECTION WHEN THE FOUR OF US WERE RUNNING AROUND CLAY COUNTY IN THE FAMILY CAR. 
          IT ALL PROVED TO BE WORTHWHILE WHEN WE LEARNED YOU HAD WON. 
          THE SCHOOL BOARD HASN'T BEEN THE SAME. 
          LET ME REPEAT THAT. THE SCHOOL BOARD HAS NOT BEEN THE SAME. YOU WERE CRITICIZED FOR ASKING QUESTIONS AND APPLAUDED FOR NOT BEING A RUBBER STAMP BUT TRULY THE BEST EXPERIENCE WAS HANDING CHRIS'S DIPLOMA AT HIS GRADUATION FROM RIDGE WOOD HIGH. AFTER ONE TERM ON THE SCHOOL BOARD WITH YOUR 30 YEARS TON RAILROAD AND CONSULTING JOB ENDING IN ORANGE PARK IT WAS A PERFECT OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU TO REALIZE YOUR DREAM OF SAILING THE BOAT YOU HAD BUILT 30 YEARS BEFORE TO THE MEDITERRANEAN. YOU SPENT TIME WITH CHRIS WHILE SAILING ACROSS THE FOND AND UP TO BARCELONA AND TIME SAILING THE COAST OF ITALY, THE ISLANDS MUCH GREECE AND WINTERING IN TURKEY. MY JOB AS FIRST MATE WAS TO CREW AND I MUST SAY IT WAS A HOOT. ONCE YOU BROUGHT THE SAILBOAT BACK TO THE ST. JOHNS IT WAS YOUR NEXT TURPITUDE TO SERVE THE THE COMMUNITY. YOU APPROACHED RUNNING FOR COUNTY COMMISSIONER WITH YOUR INDUSTRIAL ENGINEER'S MIND AND YOU VISITED PRETTY MUCH EVERY VOTER IN DISTRICT 2 TO LET THEM KNOW YOU HAD THEIR BACKS. AND NOW HERE YOU ARE AT THE END OF YOUR TWO TERMS. YOU ENCOURAGED, TORSED, NO ENCOURAGED ME TO RUN FOR SCHOOL BOARD AND THESE PAST FEW YEARS HAVE BEEN FUN SERVING OUR TERMS TOGETHER WITH MANY CELEBRATIONS, MEMORIAL DAYS, VETERANS DAYS, FAIRS LUNCHEONS AND BREAKFASTS AND THOSE WERE ALL PART OF THE JOB. 
          YOU HAVE HAD FUN HEARING FROM FOLKS WHO MADE SURE THEY VOTED FOR YOU AND THOSE WHO DID NOT EVEN THOUGH THEY TOLD YOU THEY VOTED FOR YOU, THEY LOVE TO TALK WITH YOU ON THE PHONE. 
          IN THE HARDWARE STORE, AT RESTAURANTS. 
          IN A RECOVERY ROOM, AND ON A PLANE. 
          YOU'VE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO WORK WITH THE FOLKS WHO UNDERSTOOD YOUR PASSION FOR DOING THE JOB, AND DOING IT RIGHT. AND IF SHE WERE HERE TONIGHT IT WOULD BE A SPECIAL THANKS TO TERESA CAPOE FOR KEEPING YOU SANE AND FOR PUTTING UP WITH YOU. 
          MR. CHAIRMAN, THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE TO CLAY COUNTY AND TO THE MANY PEOPLE WHO HAVE REACHED OUT TO YOU FOR HELP. 
          WHETHER THE HELP WAS FOR A POTHOLE, A DRIVEWAY GULLY, BUILDING A NEW TRAIL FOR HIKING AND BIKING, CONCERNS ABOUT FLOODING OR GROWTH, AN OPPORTUNITY FOR A PAVED ROAD, OR SIMPLY, A PERSON WHO WANTED TO BE HEARD. 
          YOU LISTENED. YOU RESPONDED. 
          AND YOU HELPED. BECAUSE YOU TRULY CARED. 
          WELT DONE, WAYNE. [APPLAUSE] 
          >> AS MARY AND I WERE PLANNING THIS, SHE SAID I CAN'T LOOK AT WAYNE. I MIGHT CRY. 
          I SAID LOOK AT ME BUT THEN DON'T LOOK AT ME BECAUSE I MIGHT TEAR UP. I'M PROBABLY THE ONLY PERSON IN THE COUNTY, I THINK I AM WHO SERVED WITH BOTH OF YOU. 
          >> THAT'S RIGHT. >> I CAN'T SAY I HAVE A FAVORITE BOLLA ALTHOUGH, WAYNE HAS BEGIN ME MY MOST FAVORITE COMPLIMENT I'VE EVER HAD. EARLY ON HE TOLD ME I WAS AS MUCH OF A CURMUDGEON AS HE WAS, THAT'S A TREASURED MEMORY. 
          BUT WE WILL MISS YOU. I'M GOING TO PASS THE MICROPHONE TO HOWARD NOW BUT IF ANYONE ELSE HAS ANYTHING THEY WANTED TO SAY. 
          >> AGAIN, JUST AN AMAZING TRIBUTE AND WHAT A GREAT HISTORY, WAYNE. IT'S BEEN AN ABSOLUTE HONOR AND PRIVILEGE TO SERVE WITH YOU HERE. 
          WE GOT A FEW TOKENS OF OUR APPRECIATION HERE. 
          WE'VE GOT OBVIOUSLY THE GAVEL. AND SO HEATHER WILL PRESENT THAT TO YOU. WE'LL GET A NICE PICTURE. 
          PERFECT! AND THEN COURTNEY HAS THE KEY TO 
          DISTRICT 2 FOR YOU. >> THAT'S COOL! 
          >> THANK YOU. >> AND THE FINAL THING I SAY, FAIR WINDS, FOLLOWING SEAS AND I KNOW YOU'VE GOT A BOAT. 
          THAT'S ALL I HAVE. >> GOSH, WHAT DO I SAY? THANKS EVERYBODY. IT'S BEEN A PLEASURE WORKING WITH YOU AND A LITTLE RECRUITING SPEECH. 
          YOU KNOW THESE JOBS UP HERE, AS YOU'VE SEEN HERE IN THE RECENT DAYS WITH OUR POTENTIAL COST OF LIVING RAISE, WE DON'T ALWAYS GET THANKED A LOT FOR THEM. BUT WHAT YOU GOT TO GET OUT OF 
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THIS IS THAT YOU'RE HELPING PEOPLE. 
          AND YOU'RE STILL HAVING FUN DOING IT AND I HAVE HAD A BLAST DOING THIS. AND SO IF YOU EVER THOUGHT ABOUT DOING THIS, THIS IS THE TIME TO STEP UP. 
          I MEAN THESE JOBS ARE FUN. YOU'RE GETTING SOMETHING DONE AND YOU'RE HELPING A LOT OF PEOPLE. 
          AND THANKS FOR THE OPPORTUNITY. [APPLAUSE] 
          BACK AT WORK! >> PROCLAMATIONS. 
          >> ALMOST FORGET. FORGOT. 
          >> THIS IS THE NATIONAL VETERANS ONE. 
          [2.  Veteran's Day]
OKAY, VETERANS DAY IS NOVEMBER 11TH, 2022. 
          IN CLAY COUNTY WE HAVE PROUD HISTORY OF MILITARY SERVICE AND OUR VETERANS DESERVE THE HIGHEST RESPECT AND DEDICATION AND SACRIFICE THEY HAVE GIVEN OUR COUNTRY. 
          WE HAVE SOME SPECIAL GUESTS HERE, THIS EVENING TO HELP US HONOR OUR VETERANS. PLEASE JOIN US UP FRONT, COLONEL MATT JOHNSON, ARE YOU HERE? SERGEANT MAJOR ANCEL LEWIS, PRESIDENT OF THE VIETNAM COUNCIL. 
          AND COMMISSIONER RENNINGER WILL READ THE PROCLAMATION. 
          CAN WE GET ALL THE VETERANS UP HERE? 
          >> YEAH, IF YOU ARE A VETERAN COME ON UP FRONT. 
          WE DON'T WANT TO WASTE THIS MOMENT. 
          YES, YOU KNOW, WE ALL SERVED, AND I THINK WE ALL CAN ENJOY SOME RECOGNITION THAT WE'RE GOING TO BESTOW HERE TONIGHT. 
          AND LET ME READ THE PROCLAMATION. 
          WHEREAS THE 1954 PRESIDENT DWIGHT D. EISENHOWER CALLED ON ALL AMERICANS TO OBSERVE NOVEMBER 11TH AS VETERANS DAY AND SAID ON THIS DAY LET US SOLEMNLY REMEMBER THE SACRIFICES OF ALL THOSE WHO FOUGHT SO VALIANTLY ON THE SEAS IN THE AIR AND ON FOREIGN SHORES TO PRESERVE OUR HERITAGE OF FREEDOM AND LET US RECONCENTRATE THE TASK OF PRESERVING AN ENDURING PEACE SO THEIR EFFORTS SHAM NOT HAVE BEEN IN VEIN. 
          AND WHEREAS WE WILL NEVER RETAKE THE DEBT OF GRATITUDE TO THOSE MEN AND WOMEN WHO DIED IN BATTLE AND ON VETERANS DAY WE ARE REMINDED OF OUR SOLEMN WAY AS THEY HAVE SERVED US, TO HONOR AND COMMEMORATE THE LEGACY OF PROFOUND SERVICE AND SACRIFICE THEY HAVE UPHELD AND WHEREAS CLAY COUNTY STANDS WITH OUR VETERANS AND VETERAN ORGANIZATIONS AND ENCOURAGES ALL CITIZENS TO SUPPORT OUR VETERANS BY DONATING AND PARTICIPATING IN VETERANS DAY ACTIVITIES HONORING THE MEN AND WOMEN WHO HAVE SACRIFICED SO MUCH TO PROTECT OUR NATION. 
          NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED THAT THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS, CLAY COUNTY, FLORIDA, DEDICATE SERVING THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. DULY ADOPTED THIS 9TH DAY OF NOVEMBER, 2022. DO I HAVE A MOTION? 
          >> SO MOVED. >> SECOND. 
          >> MOTION AND SECOND, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. 
          UNFORTUNATELY WE HAVE A LITTLE TROPICAL STORM AND SOON TO BE HURRICANE KIND OF GOING TO DISRUPT A LOT OF THE CELEBRATION BUT I HOPE EVERYBODY HAS GOT AN OPPORTUNITY TO SEE, WE'RE TRYING TO HONOR THE VETERANS IN A DIFFERENT WAY THIS YEAR. 
          AND THAT'S IF YOU LOOK AT THE COURTHOUSE YOU'LL SEE SOME GREEN LIGHTS. AND WE'RE TRYING NA NATIONWIDE O LIGHT UP ALL PUBLIC BUILDINGS IN GREEN OVER VETERANS WEEK. 
          SO YOU'LL SEE SOME LIGHTS EVEN HERE AT THE ADMIN BUILDING. 
          SO AND IT'S JUST STARTING. THIS IS THE FIRST YEAR I THINK THAT ANYBODY'S EVER DONE IT BUT I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THIS CATCH ON. SO ONCE AGAIN, THANKS TO ALL THE VETERANS AND FOR ALL THAT YOU'VE DONE FOR OUR COUNTRY. 
          [APPLAUSE] ANGEL. 
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          >> THANK YOU, APPRECIATE YOU. >> K. 
          [1.  National Adoption Month]
THIS NEXT ONE IS FOR NATIONAL ADOPTION MONTH. 
          NOVEMBER IS NATIONAL ADOPTION MONTH. 
          AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPREAD AWARENESS ABOUT THE SIGNIFICANT IMPACT ADOPTION HAS ON CHILDREN IN FOSTER CARE, ADOPTIVE FAMILIES AND OTHER IN OUR ENTIRE COMMUNITY. 
          HERE TO ACCEPT THE PROCLAMATION IS ELIZABETH FRAN COE. 
          CO, JOAN URND WOOD, PAUL AND JACQUELINE SAPINSKY. COMMISSIONER CONDON WILL READ 
          THE PROCLAMATION. >> WHEREAS, IT IS PARAMOUNT THAT FLORIDA'S CHILDREN AND FAMILIES HAVE THE OPPORTUNITIES NECESSARY TO REACH THEIR FULL POTENTIAL, AND LEAD HEALTHY LIVES TO ENSURE THEY CAN HAVE A BRIGHT FUTURE, AND WHEREAS ALL CHILDREN DESERVE A LOVING SUPPORTIVE NURTURING AND PERMANENT FAMILY OF THEIR OWN, AN ADOPTION IS THE OPPORTUNITY TO CHANGE THE LIVES OF A CHILD AND THEIR ADOPTIVE FAMILY WHILE MAKING A POSITIVE IMPACT ON LOCAL COMMUNITIES. AND WHEREAS, ANYONE WITH THE ABILITY TO LOVE A CHILD PROVIDE THE BASICS OR THE A CHILD AND MAKE A LIFELONG COMMITMENT CAN BE AN ADOPTIVE PARENT, AND WHEREAS, 78 CLAY COUNTY CHILDREN FOUND FOREVER HOMES DURING FISCAL YEAR 2020, 2021, AND WHEREAS THERE ARE CURRENTLY 13 CHILDREN IN FOSTER CARE IN CLAY COUNTY, AWAITING LOVING PERMANENT FAMILIES, MANY OF WHICH ARE BROTHERS AND SISTERS WHO LONG TO BE ADOPTED BY THE SAME FAMILY, SO THEY MAY GROW UP TOGETHER, AND WHEREAS, MANY OLDER YOUTHS LIVING IN FOSTER CARE CAN HAVE DIFFICULTY FINDING A FOREVER FAMILY, AND FEEL THEY MAY BE TOO OLD TO BE ADOPTED, YET THEY WANT A SENSE OF BELONGING THAT ADOPTIVE PARENTS CAN PROVIDE AND WHEREAS, NATIONAL ADOPTION MONTH IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPREAD AWARENESS ON BEHALF OF THE CHILDREN IN OUR COMMUNITY AND FINDING FAMILIES FOR EVERY WAITING CHILD IN CLAY COUNTY IS THE GOAL OF KIDS FIRST OF FLORIDA, NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED THAT THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS, CLAY COUNTY FLORIDA DOES HEREBY PROCLAIM THE MONTH OF NOVEMBER AS ADOPTION MONTH IN CLAY COUNTY AND ENCOURAGES THE COMMUNITY, BUSINESSES, GROUPS, SCHOOLS, FAITH BASED ORGANIZATIONS AND FAMILIES, TO HELP SECURE PERMANENT LOVING HOMES FOR EACH CHILD IN CLAY COUNTY REGARDLESS OF AGE, RACE, GENDER, HEALTH, EMOTIONAL OR BEHAVIORAL CHALLENGES OR PAST DISTRESS. COUNTY COMMISSIONERS CLAY COUNTY FLORIDA, THIS 9TH DAY OF KNOW 2022. 
          DO I HAVE A MOTION? ALL IN FAVOR, AYE, OF COURSE THERE ARE NONE OPPOSED. SO THANK YOU AND I WILL PASS THE MIC NOW AND LET YOU INTRODUCE WHO ALL WE HAVE UP HERE. 
          >> SO WE HAVE PAUL AND JACQUELINE SAPINSKI OUR AMAZING ADOPTIVE FAMILY AND ASH PIPER AND AUBREY. 
          [APPLAUSE] >> I JUST WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU FOR THE SUPPORT AND FOR LETTING US BE HERE TO CELEBRATE THIS PROCLAMATION. I'M THE NEW CEO WITH KIDS FIRST OF FLORIDA, MY NAME IS ELIZABETH FRANKO AND I'M HAPPY TO BE HERE WITH THIS WONDERFUL FAMILY THIS AFTERNOON. 
          THANK YOU. >> PROCLAMATION, I'LL TAKE THE MIC. [APPLAUSE] 
          [APPROVAL OF MINUTES]
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          >> FIRST THING ON THE AGENDA HERE IS WE'RE UP TO APPROVAL OF 
          MINUTES. >> I'LL MOVE APPROVAL OF THE COUNTY COMMISSIONER MEETING OF OCTOBER 25TH AND THE MEETING 
          MINUTES OF NOVEMBER 1ST. >> SECOND. 
          >> HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND, DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR INDICATE BY SAYING AYE, OPPOSED SAME SIGN, 
          [PUBLIC COMMENTS]
CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY. BRINGS US TO PUBLIC COMMENT. 
          AND THE FIRST ONE I HAVE IS COLIN GRAPH. 
          IS. >> COLIN GRAPH,FULLY 50 PASOFINO ROAD. WE HAVE A LITTLE PROBLEM WE NEED Y'ALL'S HELP WITH. WE OWN A PIECE OF PROPERTY, 36 AND ALMOST 37 ACRES, ON PASSO FINO ROAD. 
          IT'S A HORSE FARM, IT'S BEEN ONE SINCE THE '60S BEEN THERE FOREVER. WEE RECENTLY APPLIED FOR A SETTING PERMIT FOR A MANUFACTURED HOME ON THE PROPERTY WHICH IS APPROVED FOR THE PROPERTY. 
          WE'VE BEEN HAVING SOME CHALLENGES. 
          I JUST WANT TO GO THROUGH REAL QUICK, I KNOW I HAVE THREE MINUTES I'LL DO THIS QUICKLY. IN 2005 IT WAS A LOT OF RECORD FOR THE COUNTY AND 2005 IT HAD A MOBILE HOME ON IT AS A PRIMARY RESIDENCY ALONG WITH SEVERAL BARNS. 
          IN 2006 THE LAKE ASBURY, DON'T QUOTE ME ON LRF, I MAY BE WRONG. 
          I WORKED ON THE COMMITTEE THAT HELPED DEVELOP IT BUT THERE ARE SOME VESTING RIGHTS FOR LOTS OF RECORDS THAT WERE PRIOR TO ADOPTION OF THE CODE AND THIS WAS PRIOR TO THE ADOPTION OF THE CODE. IN 2014 THE PREVIOUS OWNER DECIDED TO REMOVE THE BARN AND THE ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT THAT WAS ON THE PROPERTY, APPLIED AND REMOVED IT AND THIN APPLIED FOR A PERMIT FOR A NEW ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT. 
          THE MOANL HOME WAS STILL ON THE PROPERTY AS A PRIMARY RESIDENT. 
          THE PERMIT WAS APPROVED MEETING ALL THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE COUNTY'S ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS. 
          RIGHT BEFORE IT GOT STARTED BUILDING ACCORDING TO THE PREVIOUS OWNER THE MOBILE HOME WAS DAMAGED SO HE REMOVED IT FROM THE COUNTY. THE COUNTY THEN HAD HIM GET A SPECIAL CONDITION APPROVAL TO BUILD THE ACCESSORY BUILDING UNIT PRIOR TO PUTTING ANOTHER PRIMARY RESIDENCE ON THE THING. 
          IN 2015 THE UNIT WAS BUILT, IT'S A LITTLE GUEST HOUSE 2-1. 
          MY WIFE AND I PURCHASED THE PROPERTY LAST YEAR AS WE LEASED IT LAST YEAR, WE PURCHASED IT LAST YEAR, WE KNEW WHAT THE ZONE. YOU CAN PUT A MANUFACTURED HOME AND CAN YOU HAVE ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS. 
          WE RESEARCHED ALL THAT. WE ALSO ABOUT THREE MONTHS AGO IN PREPARATION FOR A PRIMARY RESIDENCE THE COUNTY SENT US AN E-MAIL VERIFYING IT WAS A LOT OF RECORD. 
          WE APPLIED ABOUT FOUR WEEKS AGO TO SET THE HOME, DIDN'T HEAR ANYTHING UNTIL LAST FRIDAY. LAST FRIDAY WE HEARD THAT WE COULDN'T PUT THE MANUFACTURED HOME ON IT BECAUSE IT WAS NOT A LOT OF RECORD. SO MONDAY WE SENT THEM ALL THE INFORMATION AGAIN SHOWING THEM IT WAS A LOT OF RECORD. 
          GOT A CALM YESTERDAY FROM ZONING AND SAID OH YES WE AGREE IT IS A LOT OF RECORD BUT YOU NEED TO APPLY FOR TWO DEMOLITION PERMITS BEFORE WE CAN ISSUE THIS PERMIT. SO I ASK THE QUESTION FOR WHAT? THEY SAID FOR A MOANL HOME AND APARTMENT. 
          AND I'M LIKE WELL THERE'S NOT A MOBILE HOME AND APARTMENT ON THE PROPERTY AND I'M GOING TO GO OVER REAL QUICK BUT I'LL FINISH. 
          IN OTHER WORDS THEY'RE ASKING FOR A DEMOLITION PERMIT FOR A MOBILE HOME THAT WAS REMOVED IN 2014, WAS NOT DEMOLISHED SIMPLY REMOVED FROM THE PROPERTY AND THEY'RE ASKING US TO DEMOLISH OUR ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT THAT IS ONLY SEVEN YEARS OLD, IT IS A BEAUTIFUL HOME, BEAUTIFUL GUEST HOME, WE'RE GOING TO KEEP IT BEFORE WE CAN PUT OUR MANUFACTURED HOME ON IT. 
          ALL I'M ASKING FOR IS TO HAVE DIRECT STAFF SOMEBODY THAT HAS SOME COMMON SENSE, THAT SAYS LOOK GUYS, YOU DON'T TEAR DOWN A ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT, CONTINUES TO MEET ALL THE NECESSARY PERMITS, CONTINUES TO MEET IT. 
          SEE IF CAN I GETELP TO GET THIS PERMIT OUT. 
          THANKS. >> CAN WE GET HIM LATCHED UP 
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          WITH SOMEBODY? >> WE'VE SPENT MANY, MANY HOURS 
          ON THIS TOPIC. >> WE'RE ON IT. 
          RICHARD CLINSMAN. >> GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          RICH CLINSMAN 1985, DE MARKY TRAIL MIDDLEBURG. 
          MAINLY, FORGIVE THE VOICE. I'M SO PAST MY BEST IF USED DATE IT'S NOT FUNNY ANYMORE. I WANT TO SAY THANKS TO WAYNE BOLLA AND THANK HIM FOR ALL HIS WORK. 
          AND THE BEST THING IN MY OPINION THAT YOU'VE DONE WAS, LAST YEAR INSTITUTING THAT ONE-YEAR MORATORIUM ON MORE BUILDING. 
          JUST LIKE THE WORD PLETHORA, IT MEANS A LOT AND I WISH YOU WERE HERE TO DO IT AGAIN. AND AS LONG AS I'M HERE, I'M GOING TO PUT IN THE SAME REQUEST I DID SEVERAL MONTHS AGO. 
          TO EXTEND THAT MORATORIUM, FOR ANOTHER TEN YEARS, AFTER ALL THIS PAST YEAR WENT BY SO FAST, NO ONE WILL NOTICE. 
          AND TO TAKE ANOTHER NO LONGER LIVING LEGEND QUOTE, WILL FORD BRIMLEY, IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO. 
          SO BEST OF LUCK TO YOU, THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE AND WE'LL 
          MEET AGAIN, THANK YOU. >> IF YOU HANG OUT FOR ABOUT AN HOUR WE'LL MAKE YOUR DREAMS COME TRUE, MAYBE. 
          JEFF READY. >> THE NAME'S JEFF READY. 
          LIVE AT 3442 POWER LINE DRIVE. THE FIRE CHIEFS ARE HERE, I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU. FIRST OF ALL TO THEM. 
          WE'VE BEEN UNDER SOME MAJORITY DURESS FROM A TREE DEBRIS, STORAGE FACILITY/ACI BURNING UNIT. 
          SOMEHOW, MAGICALLY, THIS PLACE WAS AT FULL CAPACITY, AND A FIRE STARTED FRIDAY NIGHT. IF IT WASN'T FOR THESE MEN AND FORESTRY, I PROBABLY WOULDN'T HAVE THE HOUSE I SPENT A YEAR AND A HALF BUILDING. THE QUALITY OF AIR AT THAT FACILITY RIGHT NOW IS HORRIBLE. I CAN'T WALK MY DOG. 
          I HAVE TO TAKE MY DOG MILE AND A HALF DOWN THE ROAD TO WALK MY DOG. WHAT I'M ASKING FOR IS SOME HELP. HELP THESE GUYS. 
          OKAY? WE HAVE TO GO OUTSIDE CLAY COUNTY AND GET HELP. BECAUSE THEY'RE TELL ME TWO TO THREE MONTHS TO PUT THIS FIRE OUT. 
          IT'S NOT ACCEPTABLE. OKAY? MY NEIGHBOR IS IN A MOBILE HOME. LAST NIGHT SHE CALLED FIRE RESCUE BECAUSE SHE HAD A HEADACHE. 
          SHE'S A SINGLE MOTHER, A NURSE AND HAS THREE CHILDREN IN THAT MOBILE HOME. IT'S NOT ACCEPTABLE. 
          THE OTHER THING THAT'S NOT ACCEPTABLE IS, THE DEP IS SUPPOSED TO BE REGULATING THIS PLACE. 
          I ASKED THE DEP ENFORCEMENT OFFICER YESTERDAY, WHAT IS THE LIMITATIONS OF AMOUNT OF MATERIAL ON THAT FACILITY? THERE WAS NO ANSWER. HE COULD NOT ANSWER ME. 
          HE STUTTERED. SO HOW CAN HE INSPECT THE FACILITY IN MARCH OF 2022, AND APPROVE IT, AND FIND NOTHING WRONG, WHEN HE HAS NO IDEA OF HIS OWN INSTITUTION'S LAWS. 
          OKAY? SECOND OF ALL, WHAT ARE CLAY COUNTY'S LAWS ON THIS? THAT FACILITY, THE WOOD PILES ARE 60 FEET IN HEIGHT, AM I CORRECT, CHIEF? 
          >> WOULDN'T GO THAT HIGH BUT THEY'RE HIGH. 
          >> 50, 60. THAT PLUS MULCH PILE IS RAININGH ON MY PROPERTY. WITH 25 MILE-AN-HOUR WINDS LAST NIGHT I COULDN'T WALK AROUND MY POLE BUILDING. 
          I HAVE VIDEOS OF JUST RED SHOWERS ONTO MY PROPERTY. 
          THE ASH CONTENT IS SO HIGH YOU CAN'T BREATHE. 
          MY BRAND-NEW HOUSE SMELLS LIKE SMOKE. 
          I HAD TO HAVE A $2,000 AIR PURIFICATION UNIT PUT IN IT LAST NIGHT AND THE ONLY REASON THAT WAS DONE IS BECAUSE I'M PERSONAL TRENDS WITH MY AC GUY. I'M ASKING FOR HELP. 
          NUMBER 1, PUT THE FIRE OUT. NUMBER 2, STOP THAT FACILITY. 
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I DON'T CARE WHO THEY ARE. THIS THING'S BEEN BURIED, IT HASN'T BEEN IN THE NEWS. HASN'T BEEN ANYWHERE. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHAT, WHO HE KNOWS, WHAT HE KNOWS, WHATEVER. 
          BUT WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. 
          PLEASE. THIS CAN'T HAPPEN AGAIN. 
          THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. 
          JOAN STARNES. >> MY NAME IS JOAN STARNES. 
          I'M A RETIRED NURSE. I LIVE ON 209B. 
          I'M GOING TO TALK ABOUT THIS GENTLEMAN. 
          THE INFRASTRUCTURE ON THE DEVELOPED AREAS IS REALLY -- I'M NOT SURE WHETHER THERE'S A DATE OR WHETHER IT'S JUST A PIPE DREAM. BUT WE NEED TO EXTEND THE MORATORIUM UNTIL WE HAVE SOME SAFE ROADS, WE HAVE FIRE STATIONS, WE HAVE SCHOOLS, EVERY TIME I'VE BEEN HERE TO A MEETING THEY TALK ABOUT THE FACT THAT WE DON'T HAVE IT. 
          AND I DON'T SEE ANY PLANS FOR NEW SCHOOLS OR FIRE STATIONS AT THIS PARTICULAR POINT, AND THE THIRD LANE TO ME IS JUST A CHICKEN LANE AS TO WHO'S GOING TO GET THERE FIRST AND WHO'S GOING TO GET KILLED. WE'VE ALREADY HAD MORE DEATHS ON 209 SINCE ALL THESE NEW DEVELOPMENTS HAVE COME IN. 
          SO I'M NOT SURE WHEN THIS IS GOING TO BE BROUGHT UP, BUT I'M BEGGING YOU PLEASE, PUT A MORATORIUM ON NEW BUILDING, UNTIL WE HAVE SAFE DRIVING FIRE STATIONS AND SCHOOLS AND THEN THE SECOND THING IS, I THINK I'VE HEARD SOMETHING ABOUT YOU'RE COMING UP WITH A NEW IMPACT FEE FOR THE BUILDERS. 
          BECAUSE OF ALL THIS INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WE, WHO ALREADY LIVE HERE, ARE GOING TO HAVE TO SUPPORT. 
          WE'RE ASKING THAT THERE'S A CONSIDERATION THAT THOSE THAT ARE ACTUALLY COMING FROM OTHER AREAS, TO COME IN HERE AND BUILD DEVELOPMENTS. THEY DON'T NECESSARILY LIVE HERE. THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE IMPACTED BY IT. THEY SHOULD BE THE ONES THAT ARE ACTUALLY PAYING. I WON'T SAY -- WELL YEAH, I WILL SAY DAMAGE THAT'S HAPPENING TO THE COMMUNITY RIGHT NOW, UNTIL THEY ARE RESPONSIBLE ENOUGH TO MAKE IT SAFE. 
          >> THANK YOU. TOM, I THINK IT'S STIFFLER. 
          GETTING BETTER AT THIS RIGHT AT THE END. 
          >> HI, I'M TOM STIFFLER, 1039 LAKE ASBURY DRIVE. 
          I TOO EXPRESSED THE SAME OPINIONS AS THE PREVIOUS PEOPLE ABOUT THE MORATORIUM. I WISH WE COULD PUT IT PERMANENTLY. THE DEVELOPMENT WE HAVE GOING ON THERE FAR EXCEEDS WHAT WE HAVE FOR INFRASTRUCTURE NOW AND IT'S NOT EVEN COMPLETED. I CAN'T IMAGINE INCREASING THE DENSITY ZONING, AND I HOPE THAT YOU FOLKS WILL TAKE A DEEP, DEEP CONSIDERATION, BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO BE A MESS AND MORE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO LOSE THEIR LIVES. 
          THANK YOU. >> OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          I WANT TO SAY STEVE RIZZO. THERE WE GO. 
          >> STEVE RIZZO, 1030 LAKE ASBURY DRIVE. 
          THE INGRESS AND EGRESS OF LAKE ASBURY IS GETTING TO BE INCREDIBLE. IT'S NO SECRET THAT WE DON'T HAVE THE MONEY TO INCREASE THE INFRASTRUCTURE RIGHT NOW. 
          AND WITH THE NEW DEVELOPMENT GOING ON, IT'S GOING TO GET EVEN WORSE. AND I TOO WOULD LIKE TO ENCOURAGE YOU TO EXTEND THAT MORATORIUM FOR AS LONG AS YOU CAN. PLEASE MAKE MY DAY TOO MR. BOLLA. IMPACT FEES SHOULD BE A MINIMUM OF $30,000. THE NEW PEOPLE COMING IN ARE GOING TO INCREASE THE DEMANDS FOR POLICE, SCHOOLS, INFRASTRUCTURE, ET CETERA. THAT'S WHAT AN IMPACT FEE IS. 
          YOU'RE IMPACTING OUR COMMUNITY. DON'T PUT IT ON ME. 
          YOU PAY FOR IT. IF THEY DON'T LIKE THAT FEE THEY CAN GO ELSEWHERE AND I'M OKAY WITH THAT. 
          KEEPING OUR POPULATION SMALLER. SO LEAVE IT THE WAY IT IS. 
          INCREASE IT AS MUCH AS YOU POSSIBLY CAN. 
          I THINK ST. JOHNS COUNTY IS UP AROUND 30,000. 
          I THINK WE'RE AROUND SEVEN OR 8,000. 
          LET'S RAISE IT UP TO THAT AT LEAST. 
          WITH REGARD TO TRAFFIC, I'D LIKE TO ASK FOR THREE THINGS. 
          CAN WE GET A TURNING LANE ON 209 OVER THE RAILROAD TRACKS? OVER THERE BY STATE ROAD 17? IF ONE CAR WANTS TO GO STRAIGHT, 
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TO, I DON'T KNOW THE NAME OF THAT STREET, IS IT 315? THAT PREVENTS EVERYBODY ELSE FROM GOING RIGHT ON RED. 
          IF WE HAD ANOTHER LANE THERE, THAT TRAFFIC CAN KEEP ON MOVING. 
          AND SOMETIMES IT BACKS UP ALL THE WAY TO 17. 
          THAT WAS OUR LAST SECRET OF HOW TO GET HOME FROM, AFTER A LONG DAY OF WORK, LET'S TAKE THE BACK WAY COMING 209 BECAUSE YOU KNOW YOU CAN'T GET THROUGH 220 TO HENLEY OR BLANDING TO HENLEY. 
          YOU'RE GOING TO SIT THERE FOR FIVE, TEN MINUTES EASY. 
          DOESN'T SEEM A LOT BUT AFTER A LONG DAY OF WORK IT TRULY IS. 
          IT PROBABLY WOULDN'T BE A BAD IDEA TO ADD A LANE ON 220 WESTBOUND, TO GO SOUTHBOUND ON HENLEY. 
          THERE'S ONLY, YOU KNOW THERE'S ONE TURNING LANE BUT YOU'RE TURNING ONTO TWO LANES THERE, THERE COULD BE TWO LANES GOING ALMOST DOUBLE THE TRAFFIC. THAT'S PROBABLY A SMALL INVESTMENT FOR A BIG RATE OF RETURN TO HELP DECLUTTER THAT AREA. AND AS THOSE HOUSES ARE FILLING UP IT'S GETTING WORSE AND WORSE. THIRDLY, CAN I GET THE PHONE NUMBER OF THE GUY WHO DECIDES HOW TO TIME LIGHTS, WHERE TO PUT GREEN ARROWS AT DIFFERENT TIMES OF DAY? I THINK HE WENT TO THE SAME PODUNK COLLEGE I DID UP IN NEW YORK. BUT I'LL VOLUNTEER MY TIME TO HELP HIM. AND IT'S NOT JUST COMPLAINT. 
          I WANT TO WORK WITH HIM TO FIX IT OR MAYBE SET UP SOME WAY THAT WE CAN INPUT, HEY HERE'S AN ITEM, THIS TRAFFIC LIGHT IS TOO SHORT. LET'S EXTEND IT BY 15 SECONDS PER CYCLE BUT THERE'S PROBABLY SOME THINGS WE CAN DO TO HELP IN THAT REGARDS. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S POSSIBLE OR 
          NOT. >> OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          >> THANK YOU. >> ALL RIGHT, ANYONE ELSE FOR THE FIRST SECTION OF PUBLIC COMMENT? 
          >> CHAIR I'D LIKE TO SAY SOMETHING. 
          >> GO AHEAD. >> THANK YOU ALL FOR COMING FROM MY DISTRICT BY THE WAY. I APPRECIATE YOUR SUPPORT AND JUST WANT TO LET YOU KNOW A COUPLE THINGS. 
          STEVE THOSE ARE GREAT IDEAS. 209 WILL HAVE A LANE TURNING WHAT DO YOU CALL THAT, A LEAD WHERE YOU WON'T STOP. 
          IT ALREADY IS IN THE WORKS. 220 D.O.T. IS ON THE WAY TO DOING THAT, THAT WRITING OF THAT AREA. 
          SO THAT IS ALREADY BEEN FUNDED. AND WHAT WAS THE OTHER THING? THE MORATORIUM FOR ALL OF YOU, IT WAS ALREADY PROPOSED LAST TIME TO EXTEND IT SO THANK YOU ALL AGAIN FOR YOUR SUPPORT AND THAT HOPEFULLY THAT WE WILL ALL AGREE WITH THAT. 
          THAT'S ALL I HAD. >> OKAY. 
          >> IT WILL BE -- IT IS BEING ADVERTISED FOR THE NOVEMBER 
          22ND MEETING. >> THAT'S RIGHT, OKAY, AND ACTUALLY MY OTHER TWO HERE COLIN AND JEFF, COLIN, I KNOW WE'VE DONE A LOT OF WORK WITH THAT SO ARE WE GOING TO BE ABLE TO ANSWER HIM SOMETIME OR ANYONE SPEAK TO HIM? YES, OKAY. AND THEN JEFF, I'M DEFINITELY CONCERNED ABOUT THAT. AND I REALLY HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT WHY DEP HASN'T DONE ANYTHING REGARDING THIS AREA. 
          SO I WOULD, IF THERE'S ANY WAY WE CAN FOLLOW UP WITH THAT I KNOW YOU HAVE ALREADY BEEN TALKING TO DEP ABOUT IT AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT ARE THESE PEOPLE SUPPOSED TO DO RIGHT NOW? I CAN'T IMAGINE LIVING THERE AND HAVING TO DEAL WITH IT. 
          SO IS THERE ANYTHING AT ALL THAT WE CAN HELP THEM EVEN FURTHER? HOW CAN THEY GO OUTSIDE IF THEY CAN'T BREATHE? 
          CAN WE HAVE AN ANSWER TO THAT? >> LORNE MODFIRE CHIEF. 
          THE SIMPLE ANSWER IS UNTIL THE CONDITIONS CHANGE, HE WILL BE IN AN AREA WHERE THE SMOKE WILL CONTINUE TO GO ACROSS THERE. 
          I LITERALLY WAS ALMOST AT HIS HOME BECAUSE I WAS CHECKING ON THE FIRE LINE AGAIN. THE EXPANSE OF THE FIRE IS SUCH THAT THERE ARE NO REASONABLE MEANS TO CONTROL IT OUTSIDE OF THE FIRE CONTINUING TO BURN AND REDUCE OVER TIME. 
          ADDITIONAL RAINFALL HOPEFULLY COMING WITH THE STORM WILL HELP SUPPRESS SOME OF THE SURFACE BURNING THAT TAKES PLACE. 
          BUT HE'S CORRECT IN THAT THE AMOUNT OF ORGANIC MATERIAL BOTH THE TIM BERS AND REDUCED MATERIAL WITH WHICH THE PERMITTING APPARENTLY ALLOWED TO BUILD UP THERE NOW HAS CREATED A FAIRLY DEEP SEATED FIRE IN THE AREA. 
          THAT IS ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE TO CONTROL. 
          IT'S SIMILAR TO A PEAT BOG WHEN IT BEGINS TO BURN. 
          SO WHILE WE DON'T HAVE ANY IMMEDIATE HOPE FOR CONTROLLING IT, I WOULD -- MY GOAL IS THAT OVER TIME, WITH CONTINUAL 
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RAINFALL AND REDUCTION OF FIRE WILL REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF SMOKE AND ASH. I GOT TO TELL YOU IT'S PRETTY BAD, JUST LITERALLY CAME FROM THERE. 
          >> HOW IS THIS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN AGAIN? 
          >> I THINK THAT GOES BACK TO OUR CONVERSATIONS WITH DEP AND BEFORE I WENT TO THE LOCATION I JUST GOT OFF A CONFERENCE CALL WITH THEM. WE HAVE TENTATIVELY SET SOME DATES FOR NEXT WEEK TO BEGIN TO MEET WITH DEP BUT THE FIRST AND MOST EFFECTIVE THING WOULD BE, WOULD BE TO REMOVE THE PERMITTING OF THE OPERATION AND THEN BEGIN TO WORK A PLAN TO REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF ORGANIC MATERIAL THAT WAS BUILT UP THERE 
          ABSENT BURNING IT. >> ARE YOU MEETING IN PERSON OR ON THE PHONE OR -- BECAUSE I'D LIKE TO BE INCLUDED. 
          >> THEY REQUESTED A TEAMS MEETING. 
          AND CERTAINLY WE CAN GIVE YOU THE TIME AND DATE WHEN IT WILL BE SCHEDULED. THEY WERE CLOSING THEIR OFFICES OBVIOUSLY BECAUSE OF THE APPROACH OF THE STORM. 
          >> SHOULD THESE PEOPLE TRY FIND A DIFFERENT PLACE TO GO RIGHT NOW? THEY NEED HELP. 
          >> IF IT WAS ME LOOKING AT WHAT IT WAS I'D TRY TO GET TO AN ALTERNATE LOCATION UNTIL WE CAN REDUCE THE SMOKE. 
          IT IS VERY SIMILAR WHAT WE SEE IN WILDFIRES WHERE THEY ARE UNCONTROLLABLE AND BURN FOR AN EXTENDED AMOUNT OF TIME. 
          >> IF WE HAVE 45 MILE-AN-HOUR WINDS, WHAT -- 
          >> THAT'S BEEN OUR CONCERN SINCE THE FIRE BROKE YOU OUT ON FRIDAY AND WE KNOW WE HAD THE STORM APPROACHING. 
          WE'VE HAD STAFF ON THE CLOCK 24 HOURS AROUND THE CLOCK. 
          THE BEST THING IS TO MONITOR IT. I HAVE LITERALLY SEEN HIM WALKING HIS DOG. I THINK I'VE BEEN THERE EVERY 
          DAY BUT ONE. >> THANK YOU. 
          I GUESS WE'LL TALK FURTHER WITH DEP. 
          >> I WISH I HAD BETTER ANSWERS BUT UNFORTUNATELY WE DON'T. 
          WHEN WE HAD LOOKED AT IT ON PREVIOUS OCCURRENCES WE ATTEMPTED TO DETERMINE WHETHER THEE WAS ANYTHING WITHIN CODE OR THINGS THAT WERE WITHIN THE COUNTY THAT THE COUNTY HAD DIRECT CONTROL OVER. I THINK IT'S THE STATE THING WITH THE DEP, I KNOW FORESTRY IS NOT HAPPY ABOUT IT AND I'M CERTAINLY NOT. WE LIVE IN A VERY BEAUTIFUL LOCATION AND THERE ARE A LOT OF TREES AND WHEN TREES FALL OR ARE TAKEN OUT YOU HAVE TO HAVE A PLACE FOR THEM TO GO. 
          I BELIEVE A SITE LIKE THAT CAN BE MAINTAINED AND OPERATED IN A WAY THAT'S SA SAFE AND AN AIR CURTAIN INCINERATOR IS SOMETHING THAT IS SAFE AND DOESN'T RISK THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          I WON'T SPEAK TO HOW EFFECTIVE DEP HAS BEEN IN INSPECTING IT. 
          THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WE'LL TALK JOINTLY WITH DEP PICKUP BUT A SITE LIKE THIS HAS TO FUNCTION PROPERLY. 
          MY GUT OPINION IS THAT WASN'T THE CASE. 
          >> BEFORE FRIDAY THERE WASN'T A PROBLEM THERE? 
          >> WE HAVE RESPONDED ON NUMEROUS OCCASIONS BEFORE, WE HAVE WORKED WITH FORESTRY AND WE HAVE HAD PREVIOUS CONVERSATIONS, WITH DEP ABOUT IT. BUT WE'VE NEVER HAD A FIRE THIS 
          EXTENSIVE. >> OKAY. 
          >> BEFORE YOU LEAVE. SO THE PERMITTING CAME THROUGH 
          DEP? >> CORRECT. 
          >> DO THEY HAVE TO DO ANYTHING IN TERMS OF CHECKING WITH US 
          BEFORE THEY ISSUE SUCH A PERMIT? >> TO THE TO THE BEST OF MY 
          KNOWLEDGE. >> IT SEEMS THE ME IF THIS HAS BEEN A CONTINUAL PROBLEM THEN WE HAVE TO HAVE SOME ABILITY TO CONTROL WHAT DEP IS ALLOWING TO COME INTO OUR COUNTY AND BUILD, RIGHT? IT MAY BE WORTHWHILE TO HAVE BUT AT THE SAME TIME IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE THEY'RE DOING AN EFFECTIVE JOB, BASED ON WHAT WE'RE HEARING AND I GUESS THE COUNTY ATTORNEY CAN HELP. IS THERE ANY WAY FOR US TO 
          PREVENT SUCH A -- >> CHIEF, COMMISSIONER, I HAVE SOME INFORMATION ON THIS. THERE IS ONLY ONE OTHER ERMT ABOUTING FACILITY IN MY DISTRICT, IT IS NEW SINCE I'VE TAKEN OFFICE.% THEY DID HAVE TO COME THROUGH OUR PLANNING AND ZONING BUILDING DEPARTMENT. 
          >> TO GET PERMISSION, YES, MA'AM. 
          >> THE PROPERTY HAS TO BE ZONED TO ALLOW FOR IT WHICH IS ONLY A CERTAIN ZONING. AND THEN THEY HAVE TO HAVE THE NORMAL SETBACKS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          SO THEY WERE INVOLVED IN THAT. AND THEN THEY HAD TO TURN THEIR PERMIT, THEY HAD TO SUBMITTAL THEIR DRAWINGS TO -- SUBMIT THEIR DRAWINGS TO DEP, DEP HAD TO APPROVE THEIR INSIN RATER AND THEIR DRAWINGS AND THEN IT HAD TO COME BACK TO THE COUNTY. 
          BUT BASICALLY THE COUNTY IS A FLOW-THROUGH, IT'S A SUBMISSION THAT COMES WILL YOU. SO IT COULDN'T JUST BE PUT ON ANY, YOU KNOW, PROPERTY AND SHARISE HAD TOLD ME THAT IT'S ACTUALLY EXTREMELY DIFFICULT TO GET THEM APPROVED. 
          THAT'S WHY THERE'S ONLY TWO. MY UNDERSTANDING FOR THIS ONE IS AT SOME POINT IT WAS GRANDFATHERED IN. 
          SO IT'S DIFFERENT THAN THE ONE IN MY DISTRICT. 
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          >> IT FITS UNDER THE LAKE ASBURY MASTER PLAN, MY UNDERSTANDING WHEN WE LOOKED AT IT, I WON'T SPEAK FOR PLANNING BUT THAT'S WHAT I UNDERSTOOD IT WHEN I ASKED ABOUT IT BEFORE. 
          >> THERE IS NO ONE LIVING ON THE PROPERTY, THERE IS TOTAL LIE 
          BUSINESS? >> THERE IS A TRAILER ON THE SITE THAT IS OCCUPIED, SUPPOSEDLY AND ONE IMMEDIATELY OFF TO THE SIDE, I THINK IT'S CONTIGUOUS WITHIN THE OPERATION BUT NOT ON THE OPERATIONAL PROPERTY. 
          >> HOW THEY SAY? >> THEY'RE ON THE WEST SIDE. 
          THE WEST SIDE HAS BEEN THE SIDE SINCE LITERALLY FRIDAY THAT WE'VE HAD EASTERLY NORTHEASTERLY OR SOUTHEASTERLY WINDS. 
          THE RISK FOR US HAS BEEN ON THE WESTERN FLANK OF THE FIRE. 
          WE HAD THE BREAKOUT LAST NIGHT THAT WE SUPPRESSED. 
          I WOULD HAVE CONCERNS OVER THAT UNTIL WE GET A DIFFERENT WIND DIRECTION. THERE'S GOOD NEWS, BAD NEWS. 
          SAY WE GET THE COLD FRONT COME THROUGH AND IT SWITCHES TO THE NORTHWEST, NOW THE RISK IS IN A DIFFERENT LOCATION AND WE HAVE UNBURNED PIEMS THAT ARE ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE. 
          SO PILES THAT ARE ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE. 
          WE NEED TO REDUCE THE TERM OFTEN THE SITE EITHER BY DIRECT BURNING OR REMOVAL OF THE MATERIAL. 
          >> OKAY. >> OKAY, ANYONE ELSE? THIS SOUNDS LIKE A REAL MESS. IS A LAWSUIT -- COULD WE SUE DEP TO ENFORCE SOMETHING? OR IS THIS ALL LEGAL RIGHT NOW? 
          >> I DON'T WANT TO ACT AS A FIREHOUSE LAWYER. 
          YOU HAVE A VERY GOOD LAWYER. I WON'T SPEAK TO THE LEGALITIES OF IT ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. BUT I CAN TELL YOU THAT I WOULD SUPPORT ANY EFFORTS TO NOT GET IN THE SITUATION WHERE WE HAVE THAT MUCH MATERIAL ON SITE AGAIN. 
          IT LITERALLY HAD IT OCCURRED AT THE WRONG TIME OF YEAR, WE COULD HAVE HAD A CONFLAGRATION, WITH THOSE ADJACENT FOREST AREAS. 
          I'M SORT OF THANKFUL IT HAPPENED AT A TIME WITH HIGH HUMIDITY AND GENERALLY LOW WINDS. AND WE COULD HOLD IT WITHIN SOME OF THE LINES ON THE PROPERTY AND THE LINES THAT FORESTRY AND THE OWNER CREATED TO HOLD IT WITHIN THE CONFINES. 
          >> HOW MANY OF YOUR GUYS ARE HAVING TO BE OUT THERE REGULARLY NOW? LIKE -- 
          >> WE'RE STAFFING IT AROUND THE CLOCK SO THERE ARE ONE OR TWO AT LEAST THERE AROUND THE CLOCK. AND WE'RE GOING TO HOLD THE PROPERTY UNTIL WE GET TO THE POINT THAT WE'RE NOT -- WE DON'T HAVE THE ACTIVE BURNING AND THE MATERIAL GOING OFFSITE AS WAS 
          DISCUSSED. >> OF COURSE THAT'S TAKING THEM AWAY FROM OTHER THINGS WHERE WE SHOULD BE. 
          >> IT'S A LITTLE STRENUOUS AT A TIME WHEN WE'RE ALSO GEARING UP FOR A TROPICAL STORM, YES, MA'AM. 
          >> SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE IN THE INCINERATION BUSINESS NOW RIGHT? GOT THE FULL FIRE DEPARTMENT OUT THERE RUNNING THE FIRE. 
          >> WILL WE WANT TO ENSURE, THERE ARE MANY WAYS TO EXTINGUISH A FIRE, YOU CAN EXTINGUISH WITH WATER FOAM AND OTHER MEANS, FUEL REDUCTION IS AN ACCEPTABLE MEANS OF REDUCTION, IT WORKS IN FOREST FIRES REPEATEDLY WHERE WE CONTROL THE AMOUNT OF MATERIAL. 
          I HAVE NEVER SEEN THIS MUCH MATERIAL IN ONE PLACE BUT WE ARE REDUCING IT LITERALLY JUST COMING FROM THERE. 
          IT IS LESS THAN IT WAS BEFORE AND WILL BE OVER TIME. 
          BUT I HAVE TO CAUTION THE BOARD THAT IT MAY TAKE MONTHS TILL YOU REALLY HAVE SUPPRESSION OF THE FIRE. 
          IT IS NOT UNLIKE A PEAT BOG BECAUSE IT IS BURNING UNDER THE GROUND THERE AND IT IS BURNING WITHIN THOSE MULCH PILES, NO QUESTION ABOUT IT, I WATCHED IT TODAY. 
          >> DID THEY SET THE FIRE? >> I DON'T BELIEVE THE FIRE WAS INTENTIONALLY SET. ALTHOUGH I DON'T HAVE A CAUSE OF THE FIRE. WE HAD RESPONDED ON THURSDAY TO A FIRE THERE THAT WE BELIEVE WE SUPPRESSED. 
          THEY WERE ALSO OPERATING THE AIR CURTAIN INSEN RATER AT BOTH TIMES AND THE AIR CURTAIN INCINERATOR WAS DIRECTLY TO THE EAST OF THE FIRE BREAKING OUT. IT SEEMS LOGICAL THAT BRANDS COMING FROM THAT PILE COULD HAVE FILTERED OVER TO THE PILE AND 
          SET THE FIRE. >> COUNTY IS IT EQUAL TO GIVE 
          THEM A BILL? >> IT WILL BE IN DISCUSSION BECAUSE WE ARE LOOKING AT THE PERMIT REQUIREMENTS. 
          >> AND PUT A BRICK ON THE PROPERTY IF THEY DON'T COMPLY? 
          >> AND ARE THEY INSURED AND -- >> I MEAN IT'S UNACCEPTABLE. 
          >> THEY'RE NOT INSURED? >> I DON'T KNOW. 
          >> I WOULDN'T BE SURPRISED. >> DID YOU SAY THEY ARE NOT 
          OPERATING NOW? >> WE HAVE WITHHELD OPERATIONS BECAUSE I DON'T WANT ANYTHING DISTURBING THOSE PILES. 
          THERE'S A COUPLE OF REASONS TOO. ONE, ANYONE WHO IS FAMILIAR WITH A PEAT BOG FIRE OR A FIRE BURNING UNDER MULCH IT WILL 
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CREATE CAVERNS AND CREVASSES. I DON'T WANT TO LOSE A LIFE, IT IS CERTAINLY NOT WORTH IT. THE OTHER SIDE IS, UNLESS WE CAN DO IT IN A MEANS THAT WE CAN CONTROL THAT I'D BE VERY RETICENT ABOUT HAVING ANY OPERATIONS TAKE PLACE OVER 
          THERE. >> OKAY. 
          >> SO UNTIL FURTHER NOTICE THEY CANNOT OPERATE. 
          >> WE'RE HOLDING THE SITE UNTIL WE FORESTRY AND US WORKING TOGETHER BELIEVE THAT WE CAN SAFELY TURN IT OVER TO THEM. 
          >> ANYONE ELSE? OKAY THANK YOU CHIEF. 
          OKAY. LAST CALL FOR PUBLIC HEARING, ANYONE ELSE? WE'LL CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING. 
          [CONSENT AGENDA]
AND WE'RE AT THE CONSENT AGENDA. DOES ANYONE HAVE ANYTHING THEY WANT TO PULL? I THINK WE HAVE A PLAT THAT'S 
          NOT GOING TO MAKE IT. >> YES, ITEM NUMBER 7 WHICH IS THE FINAL PLAT FOR TOWN HOMES AT HOLLY COVE IF THAT COULD BE 
          PULLED PLEASE. >> PULLED FOR DISCUSSION OR JUST 
          REMOVED? >> REMOVED. 
          IT WILL BE BROUGHT BACK AT A LATER DATE. 
          >> I MOVE TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA FOR ALL ITEMS EXCEPT 
          NUMBER 7. >> SECOND. 
          >> MOTION AND SECOND. DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR INDICATE BY SAYING AYE? OPPOSED SAME SIGN. CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY. 
          COUNTY MANAGER, DO WE WANT TO DO A HURRICANE UPDATE NEXT? 
          SINCE WE'VE GOT A -- >> YES, SIR THAT WOULD BE GREAT AND I THINK THAT WILL ROLL US INTO THAT. 
          SO WE HAVE DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF EM HERE MICHAEL LA LAD -- D, LOTS F EVENTS HAVE AGAIN CANCELLED FOR VETERANS DAY AS WAS MENTIONED BEFORE AND THEN OBVIOUSLY I THINK MANY PEOPLE SHOULD KNOW ALREADY BUT IF NOT, COUNTY OFFICES WILL BE CLOSED TOMORROW. 
          FOR ANY OTHER EVENTS THAT OCCUR ON SATURDAY, AND THAT, THE COMMUNITY CAN GO TO OUR WEBSITE AND OUR EVENTS THAT ARE LISTED THERE. IT'S EXPLORECLAY.COM. 
          AND THEY'LL HAVE THE UP TO THE MINUTE ON THAT. 
          BUT WITHOUT FURTHER ADO. >> GOOD EVENING, CHAIRMAN, COMMISSIONERS. THIS IS AS OF THE 1:20 P.M. 
          WE'VE HAD ONE OTHER UPDATE AT 4 P.M, THAT GIVES US AN UPDATE AS FAR AS TROPICAL STORM NICOLE. THE GENERAL MOVEMENT CONTINUES WEST ACROSS FLORIDA. STILL PREDICTED TO HIT A CAT 1 AS IT REACHES THE WEST COAST OF FLORIDA, CURVES UP ALMOST TO A NORTHERLY PASS. STRANGE IS, JUST BECAUSE IT IS A TROPICAL STORM, WE HAVE SEEN A HUGE ALMOST 500 SQUARE MILES OF A WIND FIELD WHICH IS UNIQUE AND REMARKABLE. 
          CURRENT WINDS ARE ABOUT 70 MILES AN HOUR RIGHT NOW. 
          FLOODING IS PREDICTED IN THE GENERAL AREA, IN THIS LOCAL AREA ANYWHERE FROM THREE TO FOUR FEET ABOVE GROUND LEVEL ALONG ST. 
          JOHNS RIVER, MOST LIKELY THE WEST SIDE OF ST. JOHNS AND THEN POTENTIALLY DO DOCTORS INLET, POTENTIALLY NOT TO THAT LEVEL BUT THAT'S WHAT WE DO PREDICT NOW. 
          STORM THREAT UNTIL TOMORROW EVENING, OUR THREAT AND OUR WARNING SYSTEM TO MAKE SURE THAT WE SEND THAT MESSAGE CLEARLY. 
          ADDITIONAL LOCAL EFFECTS AS I SAID BEFORE SUSTAINED WINDS ABOUT 30 TO 40 MILES PER HOUR WITH SOME GUSTS 40 TO 50 MILES PER HOUR, AGAIN THOSE ARE MOST LIKELY TO OCCUR TOWARDS THE ST. 
          JOHNS RIVER AND THE DOCTORS INLET, NOT SO MUCH IN OPEN SPACES BUT WHERE WE HAVE TO BLOCK THAT. 
          IF FORECAST FROM THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE PLACE THIS AS A RAIN EVENT. THREE TO SIX INCHES. 
          IT WILL BE THE FACT THAT THE WATERS CAN'T GET OUT BECAUSE THE WIND IS KEEPING THE WATERS IN. WE'LL SEE SOME FLOODING AND WE'LL SEE EXACTLY HOW HIGH THAT IS GOING TO BE BUT THREE TO FOUR FEET ABOVE GROUND LEVEL IS CONCERNING. 
          THURSDAY, AS THE COUNTY MANAGER ALREADY TALKED YOU, THURSDAY SCHOOLS ARE CLOSED, NO TRASH PICKUP OBVIOUSLY ON THURSDAY AS WELL. SANDBAG OPERATIONS WERE CONDUCTED TODAY AS WELL AND THE EOS IS UNDER -- EOC IS UNDER PARTIAL ACTIVATION AND THROUGHOUT THE CONTINUITY OF THE EENT. STATE OF EMERGENCY WENT INTO EFFECT 8:00 THIS MORNING. WE HAVE THREE SHELTERS, SPECIAL NEEDS, GENERAL POP AND PET FRIENDLY. 
          WE ORDERED OR RECOMMENDED EVACUATION OF EVACUATION ZONAL IF A A. PENDING QUESTIONS OR TIME THAT IS THE UPDATE MUCH 1:20 THIS AFTERNOON, WE'LL CONTINUE TO 
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PUSH PRODUCTS AS THE SITUATION CHANGES. 
          >> CAN YOU TELL US WHERE THE ELEVATION CENTERS ARE? 
          >> YES, THE ELEVATION CENTERS OR THE SHELTERS? 
          >> SHELTERS. >> YES, SIR I'M SORRY. 
          LAKE ASBURY JUNIOR HIGH FOR SPECIAL OPERATIONS OPENED UP AT 2:00 TODAY AND ORANGE PARK HIGH SCHOOL THAT OPPOSITE AT 6 P.M. 
          AS WELL AS KEY STONE HEIGHTS THAT IS AT 6 P.M. AS WELL. 
          >> THANK YOU. >> YES, SIR. 
          >> COULD YOU SPEAK TO WHY WE DON'T HAVE SANDBAG LOCATIONS IN 
          MIDDLEBURG? >> YES MA'AM. 
          WHAT WE LOOKED THROUGH NATIONAL WEATHER STATIONS IS THE LOCALIZED FLOODING IS GOING TO BE. 
          IT IS AT 1.5 AND 2.3 RESPECTIVELY FOR SOUTH AND NORTH PRONG AS OF THIS AFTERNOON SO WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE HAD CENTRALLY LOCATED TOWARDS THOSE FOLKS WHERE THE THREAT WAS PRIMARILY AT. AS I SAID, WE ARE WATCHING THOSE PRONGS. IF THAT SITUATION CHANGES WE NEED TO MAKE THOSE AVAILABLE AS WELL. 
          WE'LL HAVE A DAY A LOT OF THIS STANDING WATER OR AGGREGATE WATER OR BUILDUP WILL LAST THROUGHOUT THE WEEKEND. 
          AS SOON AS WE SEE THE INCLINE WE'LL REPOSITION SAND BAGS SO 
          THEY'RE AVAILABLE. >> I THINK THE CONCERN IS WITH THE STORM MOVING WEST, THE WEST SIDE OF THE COUNTY IS NOW MORE ON THE EASTERN SIDE OF THE STORM AND OBVIOUSLY LOTS OF FOLKS REMEMBER MA A IRMA AND THE FLOOG FROM IRMA. 
          THE FLOODING CONCERNS FROM THAT. I THINK THERE'S A CONFUSION OF WHY WE WOULD PUT SANDBAGS AND OPEN A SHELTER IN KEYSTONE IF KEYSTONE IS NOT EXPECTED TO GET THE SAME KIND OF STORM AS MIDDLEBURG WHY WE WOULDN'T HAVE DONE THAT. 
          >> AGAIN MA'AM YOUR POINT IS WELL HAD. 
          THIS TROPICAL STORM IS A VERY TIGHT AND AS TYPICAL THE NORTHERN DIRTY SIDE IS WHERE YOU HAVE SOME OF THE BAD EFFECTS. 
          THIS CONTINUES TO JOG TO THE LEFT, THE WEST. 
          WE'RE GOING TO SEE THAT 500 MILE WIND FIELD. 
          WHILE WE WON'T SEE THOSE POWERFUL INNER WALLS WE WILL SEE THAT WIND EFFECT THAT WILL DRIVE AND TAKE THE WATER INTO ST. 
          JOHNS INLET AND DOCTORS COVE. I CLEARLY UNDERSTAND YOUR 
          CONCERN. >> THANKS. 
          >> TO REITERATE, GARBAGE WILL NOT BE PICKED UP THURSDAY, RESUME FRIDAY, ONE DAY BEHIND, UNLIKE IAN. 
          >> THAT IS THE TENTATIVE PLAN NOW. 
          BUT IF CONDITIONS ARE WARRANTED ON FRIDAY I'D ASK CITIZENS TO STAY TUNED. WE DON'T WANT TO GET WEEKS BEHIND. IF WE COULD JUST DELAY IT. 
          TYPICALLY BECAUSE OF THE DRIVERS AND LAWS AND STATE STATUTES THEY HAVE TO HAVE A DAY OFF ON SUNDAY FOR DRIVING. 
          SO WE'RE GOING TO AGGRESSIVELY APPROACH THIS. 
          ALSO, THEARLT AND HIS TEAM HAS GONE OUT ALREADY TO THE MUNICIPALITIES TO ASK FOR USE OF THEIR CLAW TRUCKS AND THAT. 
          AND I DO HAVE A CAVEAT IF I MAY CHAIRMAN AND BRING THIS UP. 
          WE DID, FOR IAN, I ASKED THE BOARD FOR APPROVAL TO SUSPEND YARD WASTE FEES AT ROSEMARY HILL. 
          I WOULD ASK THE BOARD IF I HAD THAT PERMISSION AGAIN, I'D SAY THAT STARTING ON THE 11TH, FRIDAY, UNTIL, AND RESUME THE FEES BACK ON THE 21ST MUCH NOVEMBER. 
          IT -- 21ST OF NOVEMBER. THAT GIVES OUR COMMUNITY TEN DAYS. THEY CAN BRING THEIR REFUSE AND DON'T BE CHARGED. DON'T MEAN TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT ON THAT BUT IT WAS SOMETHING THAT WE DID WITH IAN, IT REALLY WORKED OUT WELL, THE APPROXIMATE AMOUNT WE DID NOT COLLECT DURING IAN WAS $9,000 BUT THERE WAS A LOT OF TONNAGE THEY CAME IN WITH THAT. SO I THINK IT REALLY HELPED OUT AND REALLY GOT US UP TO STEP ON YARD WASTE COLLECTION AS FAST AS POSSIBLE AND IT WORKED OUT. SO THAT IS MY PROPOSAL. 
          >> I'M GOOD WITH THAT. CAN YOU MAKE A MOTION? 
          >> ALL RIGHT, DO YOU NEED JUST DIRECTION? 
          DO WE NEED A MOTION? >> I'LL MOVE THAT WE SUSPEND YARD WASTE FEES AT ROSEMARY HILL FROM THE 11TH TO THE 21ST. 
          >> SECOND. >> MOTION AND SECOND, FURTHER DISCUSSION? I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA. 
          LET PEOPLE PICK UP THEIR OWN TRASH FIRST. 
          THEY CAN GET THERE FASTER THAN WE CAN. 
          OKAY. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, INDICATE BY SAYING AYE. AYE. 
          OPPOSED SAME SIGN. CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY. 
          [16.  5:00 p.m. or as soon thereafter as can be heard - Public hearing on an Ordinance amending Ordinance 2022-14, codified in Article 2 of Chapter 4 of the Clay County Code, to amend Section 4-36 (Retail sale of dogs and cats)]
WELL THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. 
          IT'S 5:00, WE'LL GO TO THE TIME-CERTAINS. 
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ITEM 16. WHICH IS A PUBLIC HEARING, THE 
          DOG AND CAT ISSUE. >> THIS IS THE ITEM THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY BROUGHT BEFORE YOU FOR DISCUSSION. 
          IT IS AN AMENDMENT TO THE ANIMAL SERVICES ORDINANCE TO SPECIFICALLY IN CONNECTION WITH THE RETAIL SALE OF DOGS AND CATS, TO GRANDFATHER IN BUSINESSES THAT WERE LAWFULLY OPERATING ON MARCH 31ST, 2022. AND ALLOW THEM TO CONTINUE WITH THE RETAIL SALE OF CATS AND DOGS AS LONG AS THEY MEET CERTAIN REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE LAID OUT IN THE ORDINANCE. 
          >> QUESTIONS? OKAY WE'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. I HAVE TWO CARDS, DON RAYMOND. 
          >> HOTEL GEN I'M DAWN RAYMOND FROM BFF PUPPIES. 
          I WANT TO THANK YOU AGAIN FOR TAKING THE TIME AND LISTENING TO ME. I WANT TO YOU KNOW THAT I TOOK THE TIME TO LISTEN TO THE CONCERNS THAT WERE BROUGHT UP IN THE LAST MEETING. AND THOUGHT IN DIFFERENT WAY, WHAT WE CAN DO TO COME TOGETHER. I WENT TO ANIMAL SERVICES, MET TO THEM, TOURED THE FACILITY, ASKED THEM HOW CAN AGAIN COME TOGETHER, HOW WE CAN HELP EACH OTHER. 
          SO THAT WAS ONE BIG CONCERN. AND I KNOW WE DISCUSSED PRICING OR PRICING WAS ALSO BROUGHT UP AND THE FINANCING. 
          I RAN A REPORT FOR THE PAST 12 MONTHS THE AVERAGE PRICE OF A PUPPY. THERE WAS I'M SORRY 74% OF THE PUPPIES SOLD IN THE LAST 12 MONTHS WERE IN BETWEEN THE TWO AND $3,000 RANGE. SO THAT'S, WE'RE VERY COMPETITIVELY PRICED, WE HAVE THE -- EVERYTHING IS EXPLAINED TO THE CUSTOMERS WHEN START TO FINISH. 
          I JOINED THE BBB SO THIS WAY I CAN BUILD TRUST WITH THE CUSTOMERS WITH THE COMMUNITY AND WITH YOU. 
          AND HOPEFULLY, YOU HEARD ME AS MUCH AS I HEARD YOU. 
          >> OKAY? THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          >> THANK YOU. >> RICH COMMAND OWE. 
          O. >> RIMP COMMANDO, 1835 WEST PARKWAY. THANK YOU SO MUCH MR. CHAIRMAN FOR YOUR SERVICE AND WE ARE HERE REPRESENTING MS. RAYMOND AND BFF PUPPIES. WE WOULD LIKE TO THANK THE COUNTY FOR TAKING THE TIME TO MAKE SURE THAT THE COUNTY IS PROTECTED BUT ALSO TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS LONG STANDING BUSINESS REALLY DOES CONTINUE TO THRIVE AND PROVIDE A SERVICE FOR CLAY COUNTY CITIZENS. WE'RE HERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS BUT THANK YOU SO MUCH AND WE'D APPRECIATE YOUR SUPPORT IN THIS VERY IMPORTANT ORDINANCE. THANK YOU. 
          >> THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING. CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING BRING IT BACK TO THE BOARD. MOTION? 
          DISCUSSION? >> WELL, LET'S DO THE MOTION. 
          I'LL MOVE WE APPROVE THIS ORDINANCE. 
          ON ITEM NUMBER 16. >> DO WE HAVE TO HAVE A PUBLIC 
          HEARING? >> WE JUST DID. 
          >> OH, THERE'S NO ONE -- SORRY, I GUESS I WASN'T LISTENING. 
          THAT WAS FAST. >> I'LL SECOND. 
          >> GOT THAT ONE RIGHT. OKAY WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND. FURTHER DISCUSSION? ANYONE? WELL MY ONLY OBJECTION TO THIS IS, WE'RE CREATING A MONOPOLY FOSTER AND EVER. 
          FOREVER AND EVER. WHAT THAT MEANS IS NO OTHER COMPANY CAN COME IN TO SELL PUPPIES IN CLAY COUNTY IN MY UNDERSTANDING AND THIS BUSINESS, IF THE MALL GOES OUT OF BUSINESS OR THEY DECIDE TO MOVE, THEY CAN CONTINUE TO HAVE THIS FR FRANCHE IN THE COUNTY AND IT'S MADE A LOT MORE VALUABLE BY US NOT LETTING ANYONE ELSE COMPETE WITH THEM. 
          AND THAT'S MY ONLY OBJECTION. I KNOW IT'S A GOOD BUSINESS AND 
          THAT FOLKS ARE GENUINE ABOUT IT. >> I'LL MAKE A COMMENT. 
          I THINK THIS ORDINANCE WAS PASSED WITH A LITTLE BIT OF EMOTIONALISM DUE TO THE ANIMAL RESCUE THAT THE COUNTY HAD TO CONDUCT. BUT THIS BUSINESS HAS NEVER HAD AN ISSUE. AND TO PENALIZE THIS BUSINESS FOR ANOTHER IRRESPONSIBLE PET PROVIDER, I THINK IS NOT CORRECT. AND I THINK THIS WILL CORRECT A WRONG THAT WE WERE INTENDING TO DO HERE. 
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SO I'M GOING TO BE VERY SUPPORTIVE OF THIS. 
          >> I'LL COMMENT TOO. SO I VOTED IN FAVOR OF OUTLAWING THE SALE OF PETS. WHETHER WE FIRST PASSED IT. 
          AND I STAND BY THAT TODAY. I THINK THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE, ONE TRIED TO LIVE IN MY HOME, BUT I THINK THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO MAKE EMOTIONAL DECISIONS ABOUT OWNING PETS BECAUSE THEY WALK BY A WINDOW AND THEY SEE A REALLY CUTE ANIMAL AND I APPRECIATE THAT MS. DAWN HAS CHANGED THE BUSINESS FRACTS, I THINK THE PREVIOUS OWNER HAD SOME PRETTY UNSCRUPULOUS BUSINESS PRACTICES AND I'LL SHARE WITH YOU. I HAD MY 18-YEAR-OLD SON AT THE ORANGE PARK MALL BEFORE SHE OWNED IT WITH HIS FRIENDS AND GIRLFRIEND, HE SAID MOM I NEED TO BORROW $2500. 
          I SAID OKAY ARE YOU IN JAIL? WHERE ARE YOU? AND THE NATURAL MOTHER COMMENT, HE SAID NO I'M PLAYING WITH THIS PUPPY AT THE MALL, THEY'RE SAYING IT'S GOING TO A KILL SHELTER TOMORROW IF I DON'T BUY IT TODAY. 
          I'LL SEND YOU A PICTURE OF IT. THAT'S AN EMOTIONAL PICTURE, WE DO NOT OWN THAT PUPPY TODAY WE HAVE THREE RESCUES, WE DID NOT SPEND $2500 BUT THOSE ARE THE KINDS OF DECISIONS THAT I THINK PARENTS TAKING THEIR KIDS TO THE MALL AND OH THIS PUPPY IS SO CUTE AND OH IT'S ONLY $60 A MONTH AND THEY DIDN'T PLAN TO HAVE A PUPPY, THEY WANTED A PUREBRED, A REPUTABLE BREEDER AND THAT'S A PROCESS THAT PEOPLE GO THROUGH. 
          AND I THINK THERE ARE A LOT OF PUPPY MILLS OUT THERE. 
          I THINK SOME OF THE PUPPIES THAT PROBABLY COME TO THIS PLACE ARE NOT RAISED IN A SCRUPULOUS MANNER AND I JUST IN GOOD CONSCONSCIENCE I AM AN ANIMAL LR AND I KNOW SOMEONE WHO HAS ONE OF THE PUP PUPPIES FROM THE ANIL MILL, SWEET PEA, SHE CAN'T WALK RIGHT, SHE SPENT EIGHT YEARS IN A CAGE, SHE HAD PUPPIES TIME AFTER TIME AFTER TIME. SHE GETS THE PUPPIES THERE THOSE PARENTS THAT ARE LIKE SWEET PEA. I CAN'T IN GOOD CONSCIENCE SUPPORT THAT. FOR THAT REASON I CAN'T SUPPORT 
          THE AMENDMENT. >> ANYONE ELSE? 
          >> THANK YOU CHAIR. ALL GOOD ARGUMENTS. 
          BUT I THINK, YOU KNOW, IN THIS DAY AND AGE, AND SITTING ON THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS FOR CLAY COUNTY, WE ESSENTIALLY ENGINEERED A -- I'M SERVE E-SEARCHSEARCHINGFOR THE RIGHT A BUSINESS OUT OF BUSINESS WHICH WAS A LEGAL BUSINESS AND QUITE HONESTLY THE ORDINANCE WE HAVE BEFORE US TALKS ABOUT PRETTY RESTRICTIVE REQUIREMENTS, PRETTY GOOD SPECIFICA SPECIFICS WHERE T THEIR PUPPIES AND THEIR BUSINESS PRACTICES. 
          THEY TALKED ABOUT REHOMING SO THEY'LL HAVE TO WORK WITH THAT, THEY ARE WORKING WITH ANIMAL SERVICES IN TERMS OF UNDERSTANDING OUR PARAMETERS AND WHAT WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH ON THE OTHER SIDE OF WHAT THEY DO. PANNEDAND QUITE HONESTLY THAT IT SOMETHING WE TOOK INTO CONSIDERATION WHEN WE PASSED THIS. NOT ONE PERSON ON THE BOARD ASKED WHETHER IT WOULD PUT A PUCHY STORE OUT OF BUSINESS. 
          IT IS A BUSINESS. WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO PUT RESTRICTIONS ON HER, ANY NUMBER OF WAYS AND SHE'S BEEN MORE THAN AGREEABLE IN MAKING THOSE RESTRICTIONS SOMETHING SHE WILL OPERATE WITH IN MANY CASES SHE RECOMMENDED THOSE RESTRICTIONS. 
          BECAUSE THAT WAS THE WAY SHE WAS DOING BUSINESS. 
          SO FROM A LEGAL STANDPOINT, I THINK THAT WE NEED TO GIVE HER AN OPPORTUNITY TO CONTINUE TO OPERATE. 
          IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE BOARD DESIRES AFTER WE GET HER STRAIGHTENED OUT IF THEY WANT TO IGO LOOK AT HOW WE ALLOW PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO GO OUT AND FIND PUPPIES, IT'S NOT THAT EASY TO FIND PUREBRED DOGS. YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE DIFFERENT BREEDERS, YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH ALL KINDS OF DIFFERENT THINGS. MY DAUGHTER ENDED UP WITH A DOG FROM ARKANSAS, THEY FLEW THE DOG IN BECAUSE SHE DIDN'T WANT TO GO DRIVING THERE. THAT DOG HAS A WONDERFUL LIFE AND SITS AND WAMP AND WATCHES TE ON A REGULAR BASIS. 
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LIKE COMMISSIONER RENNINGER SAID, IF WE DO SOMETHING ABOVE AND BEYOND I'M WILLING TO HEAR THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS BUT AT THIS POINT I THINK THE ORDINANCE DOES WHAT WE WANT IT TO IN TERMS OF PROTECTING THE ANIMALS THAT ARE BEING SOLD THROUGH THIS. 
          AND I'LL BE SUPPORTING THE MEASURE. 
          >> GO AHEAD. >> SO I'VE HAD MIXED FEELINGS ON THIS ONE AND REALLY THANK YOU FOR COMING IN AND TALKING TO ME AND TRYING TO HELP ME FIGURE IT OUT. 
          WE HAVE A ZOO AT OUR HOUSE. WE LOVE ANIMALS. 
          I HAVE PURE BREED LAB AND THEN I HAVE ONE THAT CAME FROM THE SHELTER FROM THIS HORRIBLE PLACE THAT WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER. 
          WHERE THEY HAD ALL THE ANIMALS. AND, YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN TO THE MALL MANY TIMES HAVE KIDS AND WE LOVE TO GO IN AND PET THE PUPPIES. SO I MY FEELINGS ON IT, MY CONCERN WAS THAT PEOPLE COME IN THERE THEY DON'T KNOW THE PRICE. 
          HOWEVER, YOU KNOW, THIS IS SEAMS. AND SO YOU HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T WANT TO TURN THE PEOPLE OFF IMMEDIATELY WHEN THEY WALK IN THE STORE. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, YOU SAY THAT HOW YOU TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TO THEM AFTER THEY ASK FOR THE PRICE. 
          THE PEOPLE THAT WOULD BE COMING INTO THIS KIND OF STORE TO BUY A PUPPY, I DON'T THINK WERE THE SAME KIND OF PEOPLE THAT MAYBE THEY WOULDN'T -- THOSE KIND OF PEOPLE MAYBE WOULDN'T PAY THE FRIES AS OPPOSED TO SOMEONE WHO WANT TO GO TO THE SHELTER AND BUY AN ANIMAL. IT'S TWO DIFFERENT TYPES. 
          AS FAR AS FRIESING WISE IT'S DEFINITELY COMPETITIVE. 
          I WAS THINKING OF THE HIGHER PRICING AND MAYBE THAT WAS THE CASE WITH THE OTHER OWNER. I AM PERSONALLY OUTRAGED WITH THE OTHER OWNER, IT WAS JUST DISHONEST WHAT THEY DID TO YOU. 
          AND HOPEFULLY THEY'RE WATCHING RIGT NOW. 
          AND I JUST -- I DON'T -- I'M REALLY THAT JUST IS MY HEARTACHE WITH THE WHOLE SITUATION A BIG PART OF THAT. 
          BUT I THINK I AM IN SUPPORT AT THIS TIME, I THINK, YOU KNOW, WHETHER A PERSON GOES IN AND PAYS THAT FEE THAT'S THEIR RIGHT. IF THEY DECIDE THEY WANT TO SPEND THAT MUCH MONEY ON AN ANIMAL, YOU KNOW, THEN THAT'S THEIR RIGHT AND WHY SHOULD WE TELL THEM THEY CAN'T OR THAT THEY SHOULDN'T. I DO KIND OF WISH THAT WE COULD HAVE MAYBE COULD HAVE DONE THINGS DIFFERENTLY BECAUSE I KNOW ANOTHER SHOP DID SUFFER FROM THIS AND I THINK THEY'RE BOTH DOING BUSINESS THIS LADY AND THE OTHER WERE DOING BUSINESS THE RIGHT WAY. SO ANYWAY I'M IN SUPPORT OF IT. 
          >> ANYONE ELSE? OKAY LET'S CALL THE QUESTION. 
          ALL THOSE IN FAVOR INDICATE BY SAYING AYE. 
          OPPOSED SAME SIGN. CARRIES 3-2. 
          [17.  5:00 p.m. or as soon thereafter as can be heard. First Reading to consider LDC  2022-07. (District 5, Comm. Burke) Planning Commission voted 6-0 to recommend approval. (M.Brown)]
ALL RIGHT ITEM 17. FIRST READING, CONSIDER LDC 2022-07, PLANNING COMMISSION VOTED 6-0 TO RECOMMEND, TEXT AMENDMENT ARTICLE SO ON AND SO FORTH. 
          WHAT IS THIS? I'VE BEEN LOBBYING HARD TO GET A REAL THING WRITTEN OUT HERE SO PEOPLE KNOW WHAT WE'RE TALKING 
          ABOUT. >> MR. CHAIRMAN, MIKE BROWN, ZONING CHIEF. LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE CHANGE 22-07, THIS IS THE FIRST PUBLIC HEARING OF LAND DEVELOPMENT COIE HEARINGS. REQUIRES TWO HEARINGS. 
          THERE IS A CON PLAN CHANGE TO THIS. 
          THE BOARD PREVIOUSLY VOTED TO TRANSMIT THAT. 
          THAT WILL BE COMING WITH THE SECOND MEETING LATER THIS MOP. 
          THE APPLICANT IS MR. FRANK MILLER. 
          THIS IS AN AMENDMENT TO SECTION 3-33BB 6 OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND IT WOULD EXEMPT LAKE ASBURY VILLAGE CENTER WHICH ARE LESS THAN 10 ACRES IN SIZE FOR USES IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT COID. THE PLANNING COMMISSION DID HEAR THIS, ON SEPTEMBER 6TH. AND JUST FOR EDIFICATION THEY DID VOTE 6-0 TO MAKE -- TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL. 
          SO A LITTLE BACKGROUND. THERE ARE EIGHT VILLAGE CENTERS IN LAKE ASBURY MASTER PLAN. ONLY ONE OF THEM IS LESS THAN TEN ACRES IN SIZE. SO WE'RE REALLY TALKING ABOUT THAT SPECIFIC VILLAGE CENTER. AND THE WAY LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE IS WRITTEN, VILLAGE CENTERS HAVE A MAXIMUM AND MINIMUM 
          [01:20:03]
PERMITTED RATIO OF USES THAT ARE ALLOWED. 
          THE SPECIFIC VILLAGE CENTER WE'RE DISCUSSING IS THE ONE THAT'S LOCATED ON HENLEY AND SAND RIDGE AND IT IS 6.42 ACRES IN SIZE. PRESENTLY, THE NORTHERN PART OF THIS THE NORTHERN 1.85 ACRES IS ALREADY DEVELOPED WITH A RETAIL USE SO THAT IS ALREADY WITHIN THE COMMERCIAL RETAIL RATIO. 
          THERE ARE PLANS FOR AN ADDITIONAL TWO ACRES OF RETAIL USE AND THEN THERE'S 10% REQUIRED FOR CIVIC AND PARK SPACE. AND WHEN YOU WRITTEN ALL THE FORMULA AND THE PERCENTAGES YOU ARE LEFT WITH 1.29 ACRES OF VILLAGE CENTER THAT COULD BE USED FOR RESIDENTIAL. 
          THAT BECOMES A LITTLE INEFFICIENT WITH DEVELOPING RESIDENTIAL, THAT WOULD BE WHAT WAS ENVISIONED AS MORE DENSE FOR VILLAGE CENTERS, HAVING THAT LIMITED. 
          THIS PROPOSED CHANGE DID GO TO THE LAKE ASBURY ADVISORY COMMITTEE. AND THEY HAD RECOMMENDED THE WORDING IN RED A LITTLE TWEAKING. 
          AND FROM WHAT THE APPLICANT HADN'T ORIGINALLY REQUESTED BUT WHAT WE ARE -- WHAT THE RECOMMENDATION IS AND WAS VOTED BY, BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION, WAS STATEMENT FOLLOWING THE TABLE IN THE CODE, NOTWITHSTANDING THE FOREGOING, ANY LAND, LAKE ASBURY VILLAGE CENTER CONSISTING LESS THAN 10 ACRES, EXISTING AS THE TIME OF ADOPTION OF THIS ORDINANCE. 
          AND THAT PHRASE WAS ADDED BY RECOMMENDED TO BE ADDED BY THE LAKE ASBURY ADVISORY COMMITTEE AND SUPPORTED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION. SHALL NOT BE SUBJECT TO THE MIX OF USES DESCRIBED ABOVE IN THE ABOE MATRIX. 
          AS I INDICATED THE LAKE ASBURY CITIZEN ADVISORY COMMITTEE ON AUGUST 11TH REVIEWED THIS AND RECOMMENDED 7-0 TO APPROVE IT. 
          PLANNING COMMISSION VOTED 6-0. I HAVE THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IN THERE BUT THAT'S PROBABLY PREMATURE BECAUSE THIS IS THE FIRST READING AND YOU'LL NOT TAKE AN ACTION. 
          WITH THAT IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF. 
          I TRIED TO -- >> SO WHAT IS THAT PHRASE MEAN, I MEAN IS ONE OF THEM GOING TO CHANGE IN THE FUTURE? 
          >> WHAT THAT, THE PHRASE THAT THE CAC SAID, IT MEANS THAT DESTINY FUTURE VILLAGE CENTERS THAT CAME IN, EVEN IF THEY WERE LESS THAN TEN ACRES COULD NOT -- WOULD STILL HAVE TO MEET THE BREAKOUT OF USES SOMEONE DESCRIBED. 
          IN SOMEONE CAME IN AND PROPOSED A FIVE ACRE VILLAGE CENTER AFTER THIS IS ADOPTED THEY WOULD HAVE TO MEET THE ORIGINAL INTENT AND 
          THE ORIGINAL PERCENTAGE OF USES. >> SO YOU HOW CAN THAT HAPPEN THOUGH? I THOUGHT WE SAID THIS WOULD 
          ONLY BE THE ONE. >> WELL FIRST OFF NOBODY COULD PROPOSE ONE WHILE THE MORATORIUM IS IN PLACE. 
          ONCE THE MORATORIUM IS OUT IF THE MORATORIUM IS NOT IN PLACE, SOMEBODY COULD COME IN AND REQUEST FOR A LAND USE AND ZONING CHANGE TO LAKE ASBURY VILLAGE CENTER. 
          >> YOU CAN DO A VILLAGE CENTER ANYWHERE? 
          >> THEY COULD, YES, SOMEBODY COULD, YES. 
          I MEAN AGAIN -- >> I MEAN I THOUGHT THIGHS WERE THE ONES AT A WERE DESIGNED IN THE LAKE ASBURY MASTER PLAN AND 
          THAT'S IT, NO? >> SOMEONE COULD REQUEST A 
          REQUEST FOR AN ADDITIONAL ONE. >> HMM. 
          >> YOU WOULD HAVE THE RIGHT TO BUT AGAIN THE BOARD -- 
          >> THE BOARD WOULD HAVE TO PROVE IT. 
          >> THE BOARD WOULD HAVE TO APPROVE IT JUST LIKE ANY OTHER 
          REZONING OR LAND USE CHANGE. >> GREAT, OKAY THANK YOU. 
          >> COUPLE HANDS UP HERE, COMMISSIONER CELLA. 
          >> WHAT DOES, ANY TIME ANYBODY NEW COMES IN, ISN'T IT DESIGNED SPECIFICALLY, I MEAN YOU CAN IMAGINE WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN. 
          THEY'RE GOING TO COME IN AND WANT TO DO RESIDENTIAL ALL THE 
          TIME. >> NO, BUT AGAIN THIS WAS ONLY FOR THIS ONE SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE OF ITS SIZE. 
          >> RIGHT. >> BUT I'M -- ANYBODY HAS A RIGHT TO COME IN AND REQUEST A CHANGE TO THE CODE. 
          AND AGAIN, BASICALLY, TO FOLLOW UP, ANSWER TO COMMISSIONER 
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BURKE'S QUESTION, THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS ULTIMATELY DECIDES WHETHER THEY WANT TO ENDORSE THOSE CHANGES OR NOT. 
          AND ADOPT THOSE AS A CHANGE TO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND/OR 
          COMP PLAN. >> SO IN THIS ONE I THINK WHAT DID YOU SAY, HOW MANY ACRES IS GOING TO BE LEFT FOR RESIDENTIAL 
          AND YOU INDICATED THAT -- >> 1.92, I THINK. 
          >> 1.42. >> YES. 
          1.92. >> YES THAT WOULD BE REMAINING. 
          >> IN THIS ONE. >> IN THIS ONE, YEAH AND THIS CHANGE, THE WAY IT'S DRACHTED WOULD ONLY APPLY TO THIS ONE VILLAGE CENTER. NONE OF THE OTHER, IT WOULDN'T APPLY TO ANY OTHER VILLAGE CENTERS. 
          >> UNTIL THEY BRING THE NEXT ONE IN. 
          >> WELL I MEAN UNLESS SOMEBODY, THEY WOULD HAVE TO REQUEST, AGAIN REQUEST A CHANGE TO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. 
          >> COMMISSIONER RENNINGER. >> THAT'S WHAT I WAS -- THESE PERCENTAGES DON'T WORK FOR SO IF WE APPROVED ANOTHER ONE UNDER TEN ACRES WE'D ALMOST HAVE TO, YOU KNOW -- I'M GOING TO TELL YOU WE'D HAVE TO CHANGE THE PERCENTAGES AS WELL. 
          SO THAT, BUT WE CAN DO THAT AT SOME FUTURE DATE. 
          IF THESE PERCENTAGES DON'T WORK FOR THIS TEN ACRE PLOT, IT'S NOT GOING TO WORK FOR ANOTHER TEN ACRE PLOT. 
          >> HOW MANY PEOPLE CAN YOU PUT ON THE HEAD OF A PIN? WHAT'S THE DENSITY, IF THERE WAS AN APARTMENT THERE? 
          >> I CAN'T -- LET'S SEE -- >> AS I STANDS RIGHT NOW? 
          >> I CAN'T REMEMBER THE ALLOWABLE DENSITY IN THE VILLAGE 
          CENTER, OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.. >> 16 UNITS? VILLAGE CENTER WILL ALLOW FOR A RANGE OF, A BASE RANGE OF BETWEEN FIVE AND TEN DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE. 
          THAT'S WHAT -- >> 20 RESIDENTIAL UNITS IN THERE. AS AN APARTMENT BUILDING. 
          TRINS. >> POTENTIALLY BUT WITH THAT YOU'VE ALSO GOT TO DEAL WITH THE PARKING FEE, RETENTION, IT 
          BECOMES SOMEWHAT INEFFICIENT. >> UNLESS YOU BUILD UP. 
          >> IS THIS RIGHT NEXT TO THE JIFFY, THE GAS STATION? 
          I CAN'T REMEMBER? >> YES, THE GAS STATION. 
          THE EXISTING GAS STATION IS ON THE NORTHERN PART OF THAT. 
          >> RIGHT BY THE SCHOOL. >> IF THEY BUILT RESIDENTIAL IT 
          WOULD BE RIGHT ON HENLEY. >> YES BECAUSE THAT WE CAN GO BACK TO THE MAP YOU CAN SEE THAT THE LONG NARROW LOOK,. 
          >> RIGHT ON -- >> THAT'S THE VILLAGE CENTER. 
          PART OF -- YES, AND THAT NORTHERN PARCEL'S ALREADY DEVELOPED WITH THE GAS STATION. SO THAT'S PART OF THE RETAIL PERCENTAGES WHICH IS WHY THEY'RE ASKING FOR -- 
          >> DO THEY ALREADY KNOW WHAT THEY'RE THINKING OF PUTTING IT HERE? IS THIS WHERE THE DUNKIN SUPPOSED TO GO? DO THEY ALREADY KNOW WHAT THEY ARE PUTTING HERE IF THEY GET THIS? 
          >> I DON'T KNOW. >> OKAY. 
          >> THE APPLICANT MAY OR THE AGENT MAY KNOW THAT. 
          >> ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS? OKAY, LET'S HEAR FROM 
          MR. MILLER. >> ACTUALLY, I WASN'T INTENDING TO SPEAK BUT YES, THIS IS ONLY FOR THIS LITTLE SITE. 
          AND YES, IT IS INTENDED TO BE A DUNKIN DONUTS. 
          IT WAS INTERESTING THE CONCERN FROM THE CITIZENS ADVISORY COMMITTEE WAS NOT SO MUCH ABOUT CREATING NEW ONES. 
          THEIR CONCERN WAS, WHAT IF SOMEBODY COMES IN AND SOMEHOW GETS AN EXISTING VILLAGE CENTER REDUCED TO LESS THAN TEN ACRES? AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S FINE FOR US. FOR WHAT WE THINK IT SHOULD APPLY TO THIS SITE, THIS SITE WAS KIND OF A LITTLE BIT OF A STRANGE DEAL TO APPLY VILLAGE CENTER TO THIS LOCATION. 
          >> I AGREE. >> BUT IT IS WHAT IT IS. 
          AND IF THESE PERCENTAGE USES ARE APPLIED, IT REALLY IS NOT A VIABLE PROJECT FOR DEVELOPMENT. AND I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY 
          OTHER QUESTIONS. >> NO NO NO, OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. WE'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING, 
          WE HAVE ONE CARD, MARKANAJ. >> THERE'S ONE OTHER ONE, SHE 
          DIDN'T FILL OUT A CARD YET. >> MARK WANAJ, 242 BUSH COURT. 
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THE QUESTIONS YOU HAD I THOUGHT WERE QUITE RELEVANT TO THE ISSUE. AND THIS ALSO SPEAKS TOWARDS TOO YOU HAVE A CHANGE TO A VILLAGE CENTER, THAT SAYS TEN ACRES, FOR A SECOND HALF FOR A LITTLE UNDER SIX AND A HALF ACRE PLOT OF LAND. USAGE, YES IT DOES HAVE LIMITED USAGE BUT MORE FORTUNATELY HOW DOES THIS AFFECT THE REST OF THE VILLAGE CENTERS. YOU WERE ASKING THE RIGHT QUESTIONS IN THAT ASPECT. I CAN'T SUPPORT THIS BECAUSE THERE IS TOO MANY OPEN ENDED QUESTIONS THAT WILL ALLOW THE SLIPPERY SLOPE TO OCCUR. WE'VE ALREADY SEEN THAT HAPPEN, WITH BLANKET CHANGES, AND ZONING FOR VILLAGE CENTERS IN THE PAST. 
          RELOCATING THEM MOVING THEM AROUND. 
          I THINK THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE A BETTER OPTION THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAMSTRING THE COMMISSION IN MAKING SOME RIGHT DECISIONS. 
          THE VILLAGE CENTERS ARE SOMETHING THAT ARE SUPPOSED TO BE WALKABLE, USER FRIENDLY, NATURAL TYPE ENVIRONMENTS THAT PEOPLE WANT TO BE IN. AND WE'VE GOT TO BE CAREFUL HOW THOSE THINGS ARE USED. WHAT ABOUT IF AT THE LAST MINUTE THEY SAY, AH I DECIDE TO MAKE THIS A WAREHOUSE OR PUT A BIG BUILDING OUT THERE AND THE PERCENTAGES, THERE'S STILL SOME QUESTIONS IN TERMS OF WHAT DO THESE PERCENTAGES MEAN? IS IT APPLIED TO THE ENTIRE VILLAGE CENTER AND FIRST COME FIRST SERVED OR IS IT TO EACH INDIVIDUAL PARCEL WITHIN THAT CENTER? LOGIC WOULD SAY IT WOULD BE EACH INDIVIDUAL PARCEL BUT A BAD ATTORNEY COULD ARGUE THE OPPOSITE. SO I THINK THAT A LOT MORE RE79ING OF WHAT EXACTLY WANTS -- REFINING, WHAT YOU WANT TO HAVE HAPPEN, HAPPENS. AND NOT THE REST OF UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES ARE NOT LOOSED UPON THE REST OF THE CENTER. 
          IF THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY THOSE VILLAGE CENTERS ARE GOING TO BE TURNED INTO SOMETHING LESS THAN WE WANTED. 
          AND I THINK THE PEOPLE THAT PUT THIS TOGETHER, THAT TOOK THE TIME TO PUT THE MASTER PLAN TOGETHER, I KNOW THEY DESERVE THAT KIND OF CARE. SO THANK YOU. 
          I'D LIKE TO ADD ONE OTHER THING, 30 SECONDS. 
          THANK YOU COMMISSIONER BURKE, FOR TENANTING SOME OF THE MEETINGS WE HAD ON THE WATERSHED. 
          I'M A LITTLE OUT OF ORDER BUT I WANTED TO SAY THAT. 
          >> THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING? COME ON UP. 
          FILL OUT A CARD BEFORE YOU GO RIGHT? 
          >> I FILLED OUT ANOTHER CARD ON ANOTHER SUBJECT. 
          I HAVE A QUESTION HERE. FOR 17 AND 18 HERE, I WANT TO KNOW IF WE HAVE A MORATORIUM. BECAUSE IF WE DON'T HAVE ANY INFRASTRUCTURE FOR WHAT IS ALREADY BEEN STARTED, MY QUESTION IS, HOW ARE THESE VILLAGE CENTERS, THEY MAY NOT BE HOUSES, BUT THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TRAFFIC. 
          I LIVE  ON 209B. WE HAVE ONE ENCUMBRANCE IN AND ONE ENTRANCE OUT. WE ARE SO CLOSE TO SAND RIDGE IT TAKES US FOREVER TO SAFELY GET OUT OF OUR ONE AREA. 
          AND ALL THIS INFRASTRUCTURE IS, IT SEEMS TO BE THE LAST THOUGHT BUT IT IS A LIFESAVING THOUGHT THAT NEEDS TO COME FIRST. 
          BEFORE WE HAVE SHOPPING CENTERS. >> ANYONE ELSE FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING? CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. 
          >> THIS IS THE FIRST READING. NO ACTION IS NEEDED. 
          >> NO OTHER COMMENTS? >> SINCE MR. MONTAJ BROUGHT THAT UP, SLIPPERY SLOPE WHAT COULD HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE, AS FAR AS WHAT HE IS REFERRING TO, IS THERE ANYTHING THAT COMES TO 
          YOUR MIND? >> WELL I MEAN THE MORATORIUM NOW IS ONLY FOR ANY CHANGES TO LAND USE OR ZONING. 
          SO THAT WOULD INCREASE THE DENSITY. 
          THIS CHANGE WOULD NOT INCREASE THE DENSITY. 
          IT'S NOT THE CHANGE TO LAND USE OR ZONING. 
          >> IF WE GO AHEAD AND APPROVE THIS, WHAT IT WOULD DO, WHAT IT COULD DO TO VILLAGE CENTERS IN THE FUTURE, WHAT PEOPLE MAY BE 
          ABLE TO DO, I MEAN -- >> I.T. DOESN'T AFFECT ANY -- ALL THE OTHER VILLAGE CENTERS ARE OVER TEN ACRES. 
          SO THIS CHANGE IN AND OF ITSELF IF ADOPTED WOULD NOT AFFECT THOSE. THEY WOULD STAY THE SAME AS THEY 
          ARE TODAY. >> AND IF WE APPROVE, IF WE DON'T APPROVE THIS, THEY WOULD HAVE TO PUT RESIDENTIAL IN, 
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          CORRECT? >> PARDON? 
          >> IF WE DON'T APPROVE THIS THEY WOULD HAVE THE REQUIREMENT OF 
          PUTTING THAT 1.2 RESIDENTIAL IN. >> THAT COULD NOT BE DEVELOPED OTHER THAN RESIDENTIAL. THAT WOULD BE THE ONLY CHOICE 
          FOR THAT 1.9 ACRES. >> OKAY, DON'T WANT TO DO 
          ANYTHING WITH IT. >> MR. CHAIR THE SLIDE THAT SAM WILL BRING WILL GIVE THE PERCENTAGES OF THOSE OTHER PARCELS THAT ARE GREATER THAN TENACIOUSING. 
          THAT WILL GIVE THE PUBLIC AND EVERYBODY AN IDEA. 
          >> THAT CHART SHOWS THE MINIMUM AND MAXIMUM PERCENTAGES FOR THE EXISTING VILLAGE CENTERS. AND IN RESPONSE TO ONE OF THE COMMENTS, THOSE PERCENTAGES ARE ATTRIBUTED, VILLAGE CENTER WIDE. 
          SO 25% OF THE VILLAGE CENTER MINIMUM HAS TO BE RESIDENTIAL. 
          BASED ON THIS. IT'S NOT BY PARCEL. 
          SO IT IS AN ISSUE WHEN YOU HAVE THAT WAY FOR AS HE'S POINTED OUT, FIRST COME FIRST SERVED. FIRST ONE INTO THE VILLAGE CENTER CAN PICK ANY OR MULTIPLE OF THOSE. 
          AND WE RECOGNIZE IT AS STAFF AS A DIFFICULTY DOWN THE LINE FOR 
          THE LAST PERSON IN SOMETIMES. >> SO WE WOULD HAVE APARTMENTS OR TOWN HOUSES OR SOMETHING ON HENLEY, THAT'S PRETTY MUCH IT. 
          >> YES. >> AND IT WOULD BE NICE TO THINK THEY THOUGHT OF THAT IN THE PAST BUT I'M SORRY. 
          DEVELOPMENT ON SAND RIDGE SHOWS ME THAT WE DIDN'T PUT A LOT OF THOUGHT INTO BACK THEN SORRY. YOU WEREN'T THERE NOBODY HERE WAS THERE. I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT. 
          >> I THINK -- >> I'M SURE THEY WERE GOOD 
          PEOPLE BUT -- >> AT THE TIME YOU HAVE THAT COMMERCIAL PIECE JUST NO NORTH F THERE. 
          I CAN ONLY GUESS THAT THE COUNTY THOUGHT, THEY ONLY HAD THAT ONE TEN ACRES, THEY HAD THAT COMMERCIAL ALREADY THERE AND THAT WAS NOT CHANGED TO A VILLAGE CENTER LAND USE, THEY MAINTAINED IT AS COMMERCIAL BUT THAT'S JUST MY GUESS AS TO WHAT 
          THE THINKING WAS. >> COMMISSIONER. 
          >> JUST FOR THE RECORD LAKE ASBURY MASTER PLAN WAS DEVELOPED 
          IN WHAT YEAR? >> IT WAS ADOPTED IN '06 I 
          BELIEVE. >> 16 YEARS AGO, WE'RE TALKING. 
          OKAY SO PRETTY HARD TO LOOK OUT THAT FAR I'M TELLING YOU. 
          >> I DON'T THINK THEY EVER COULD HAVE IMAGINED WHAT. 
          >> ANYONE ELSE? ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. 
          [18.  5:00 p.m. or as soon thereafter as can be heard - Final Public Hearing to consider LDC-2022-16. Planning Commission voted 4-3 to recommend approval. (D. Selig)]
          >> THANK YOU MIKE. >> BRINGS US TO 18. 
          WHICH IS PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT APPLICATION I'M AT THE NUMBER OF RESIDENTIAL DWELLING UNITS ON LOTS NARROWER THAN 50 FEET TO NO MORE THAN 20% OF THE TOTAL NUMBER OF 
          RESIDENTIAL LOTS IN A PUD. >> GOOD EVENING. 
          THANK YOU. SO THIS ITEM IS COMING TO YOU. 
          IT'S A FOLLOW-UP TO WORKSHOPS THAT WE HAD IN FEBRUARY AND AGAIN IN JUNE. WHERE WE TALKED ABOUT NARROW LOTS AND THE PROS AND CONS. AND THE BOARD'S DIRECTION AT THE END OF THE JUNE WORKSHOP WAS TO COME BACK WITH SOME LANGUAGE THAT WOULD LIMIT PUDS OUTSIDE OF THE MASTER PLANS TO A SIMILAR PERCENTAGE OF NARROW LOTS AS WAS IN THE LAKE ASBURY MASTER PLAN WHICH IS 20%. SO WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS THIS CODE CHANGE, IT'S TO ARTICLE 3, SECTION 3-33 WHICH IS THE PUD SECTION OF THE CODE AND THE LANGUAGE THERE IS THAT NO MORE THAN 20% OF TOTAL NUMBER OF SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL LOTS SHALL BE LESS THAN 50 FEET IN WIDTH. 
          GO TO THE THEM ONE FOR ME. WHEN WE HAD THE WORKSHOP WE TALKED ABOUT PROS AND CONS TO THE NARROW LOT SIZE, ON THE UPSIDE YOU HAVE LESSER PLENTY, YOU HAVE ACCESS TO A LARGE COMMON RECREATIONAL FACILITY THAT IS A FRACTIONAL PAYMENT OF WHAT IT WOULD COST YOU AS AN INDIVIDUAL BUT ON THE DOWN SIDE YOU HAVE LESS INDIVIDUAL YARD SPACE FOR GARDENING OR RECREATION. AND YOU TYPICALLY DON'T HAVE ROOM FOR A PARTICULARLY LARGE POOL OR BALL SPACE. 
          SO IT'S A TRADEOFF BETWEEN SHARED RESPONSIBILITY AND SPACE VERSUS PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY AND SPACE. 
          NEXT SLIDE. SO OUR PROPOSAL HERE WOULD APPLY 
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TO PUDS THAT ARE OUTSIDE OF EITHER BRANDON FIELD OR THE LAKE ASBURY MASTER PLAN AREAS. THE PUDS OUTSIDE MASTER PLAN THEY ACTUALLY HAVE A REQUIREMENT KIND OF A STRONG STATEMENT TO SAY THERE IS NOT A STRONG REQUIREMENT TO PROVIDE RECREATION, IT IS BUT IT'S EXPRESSED DIFFERENTLY THAN IS DONE IN THE MASTER PLANS, AND IT APPEARS AT LEAST OSTAFF TO BE KIND OF A LESSER STANDARD. SO TO ADDRESS THAT WE ARE WORKING WITH WGI WHO IS OUR CONSULTANTS ON THE ARTICLE 3 CODE UPDATE. AND WE'VE ASKED THEM TO TAKE A LOOK AT THOSE DIFFERENT STANDARDS OF RECREATION REQUIREMENT, TO PROVIDE FACILITIES, IN BRANDON FIELD, IN LAKE ASBURY AND OUTSIDE OF THOSE MASTER PLANS SO WE'LL BRING BACK SOMETHING THROUGH UPDATE TO ARTICLE 3 TO KIND OF ADDRESS THAT. THE OTHER THING THAT WAS BROUGHT UP BY THE BOARD IS PARKING, BEING SIGNIFICANT ISSUE IN NARROW LOT SUBDIVISIONS. AND THAT'S AN ARTICLE 8, SO WE ALSO RECOGNIZE THAT THAT'S A COMPONENT OF THAT. 
          WE'RE NOT ADDRESSING IT HERE, HOWEVER WE WILL BE WORKING WITH ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT AND ADDRESSING ISSUES TO THE PARKING CODE THIS COMING YEAR. SO WE WILL ADDRESS THAT IN THAT PART OF THE CODE. SO RATHER THAN ADDRESSING THOSE ALL AT ONE TIME WE'RE TACKLING THEM, WE WANT TO LET YOU KNOW WE LAYERED THEY WERE ISSUES AND WILL BE ADDRESSING THEM OTHER PLACES. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. 
          >> QUESTIONS? >> THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAD VOTED 4-3 ON NOVEMBER 1ST FOR, TO RECOMMEND THE ITEM. 
          THEY HAD BECAUSE IT WAS KIND OF A CLOSE VOTE, I'VE PROVIDED YOU THE DISSENTING CONCERNS. THE NARROW LOTS FELT THEY WERE NEEDED TO CREATE OPPORTUNITIES FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING. 
          AND THEN THE LANGUAGE DIDN'T ADDRESS PARKING ISSUES. 
          AROUNDAND STAFF IS REPG APPROVAF RECOMMENDINGAPPROVAL OF WHAT IS. 
          >> YES, MY INITIAL CONCERN WAS THE FACT THAT WE HAVE HIRED WGI TO REWRITE ARTICLE 3 AND HERE WE ARE CHANGING A PORTION OF ARTICLE 3. AND MY SECOND CONCERN IS, I THINK OUR INITIAL DISCUSSION ON LOT WIDTHS CAME FROM PARKING. 
          AND NOW I JUST LEARNED TONIGHT THAT THAT IS IN ARTICLE 8. 
          SO WHICH IS SLATED TO BE REWRITTEN WHEN? 
          >> WE DON'T HAVE A SPECIFIC TIME TRAIL BUT THIS YEAR. 
          BY THE END OF THE YEAR WE'RE LOOKING AT 23 -- 
          >> THAT IS MY POINT. SO THE INITIAL COMPLAINT AS I RECALL WAS PARKING AND WE CHANGED SOMETHING IN ARTICLE 3 BUT REALLY IT'S IN ARTICLE 8 WE WANT TO CHANGE. 
          SO I'M A LITTLE BIT CONCERNED AND CONFUSED. 
          >> WELL, THE LAST DIRECTION FROM THE BOARD WAS TO ADDRESS THAT. 
          >> I UNDERSTAND THAT. >> 20% MAYBE MATCH. 
          >> IF SOMETHING COMES UP I UNDERSTAND THAT. 
          >> THAT IS WHERE THIS IS BEING DRIVEN FROM, HOWEVER WE HEAR YOU ABOUT THE PARKING AND IT IS AN ISSUE. 
          WE'RE WELL AWARE -- >> THIS DOESN'T FIX THAT. 
          >> IT DOESN'T FIX THAT BUT WE WILL ADDRESS IT WHEN WE DO THAT 
          PART OF THE CODE NEXT YEAR. >> NEXT YEAR? 
          >> 2023. WE ARE AIMING TO BE, YOU KNOW, ADDRESSING ALL OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE SECTIONS BY THE END OF THE YEAR. SO HASWGI MADE A RECOMMENDATION 
          THAT THEY AGREE WITH THIS? >> NO, WE DIDN'T TAKE THIS FROM THEM, THIS IS JUST COMING THERE STAFF BECAUSE IT WAS A SPECIFIC BOARD DIRECTIVE TRYING TO MOVE IT FORWARD BEFORE, RATHER THAN WAITING UNTIL THEY GET DONE WITH ARTICLE THREE WHICH WILL BE NEXT SUMMER. SO -- 
          >> OKAY, I'D LIKE TO ASK CHIEF MOCK IF YOU COULD TELL US HOW THIS WOULD AFFECT WHENEVER Y'ALL HAVE TO COMMENT IN WITH FIRE RESCUE AND PEOPLE CAN'T FIT IN THEIR DRIVEWAYS AND THEY'RE ALL OVER THE PLACE ON THE ROADS AND YOU'RE TRYING TO GET IN THERE. 
          >> WELL, I THINK, LOREN MOCK, FIRE CHIEF. 
          SPEAKING ABOUT WHAT THE BOARD TALKED ABOUT AT THAT WORKSHOP, WAS THE DIFFICULTY IN NAVIGATING NEIGHBORHOODS. 
          AND CERTAINLY IN MR. BOLLA'S NEIGHBORHOOD, THERE ARE DEVELOPMENTS WHERE THE STREETS ARE EXCEEDINGLY NARROW AND PARKING IS CHALLENGING AT BEST AND WE CAN'T GET APPARATUS THROUGH. I THINK THE CHALLENGE IN REVIEWING THIS IS THE FACT THAT IF YOU PRESUME THAT THE AVERAGE FAMILY HAS AT LEAST TWO OR THREE VEHICLES, AND MANY HOMES NO LONGER STORE THE VEHICLES IN THE GARAGE, THEY'RE OUT ON THE 
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DRIVEWAY AREAS AND THE DRIVEWAY AREAS ARE BASICALLY TOO SMALL TO HOLD ALL THOSE VEHICLES, SOMETHING THAT IS TO GIVE. 
          IT STRIKES ME YOU HAVE TWO OPTIONS, WE NEED TO HAVE NONPARKING ON A SIDE OR TWO DEPENDING ON HOW YOU APPROACH IT IF YOU DON'T CHOOSE TO NARROW IT. 
          OR, IF YOU DON'T CHOOSE TO NARROW IT YOU MANDATE THAT THE DEVELOPERS HAVE PARKING AREAS INSIDE DEVELOPMENTS. 
          I RESPONDED WITH A STATION ON SATURDAY MORNING ACTUALLY GOING TO THE FIRE, TO CHECK ON IT, IN AN AREA WHERE THEY HAD PARKING DESIGNATED AS WELL AS VERY SMALL PARKING PLACES IN A TOWN HOUSE STYLE COMMUNITY. SO IT CAN BE DONE EITHER WAY. 
          I THINK THE BOARD, THEY ARE RESPONDING TO WHAT I SAW AS THE BOARD'S DIRECTION. WE WOULD SUPPORT THAT IF YOU ARE GOING TO LIMIT THE SIZE OF THE PROPERTIES THEN THE DEVELOPER LAST TO PROVIDE ALTERNATIVE MEANS OF PARKING. 
          IF THE BOARD CHOOSES TO HAVE LARGE ENOUGH AREAS THAT IT DOESN'T MEET THAT REQUIREMENT, THEN IT PROVIDS THAT ACCESS AND THE STREETS ARE WIDE ENOUGH THAT WE CAN GET THE APPARATUS 
          THROUGH. >> THOSE AREAS THAT HAVE DESIGNATED PARKING DO PEOPLE ACTUALLY USE THEM OR DO THEY HAVE RULES WHERE YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO PARK ON THE ROAD 
          THEN? >> I SEE AREAS WHERE CARS DON'T PARK, I SEIZE WHERE THE CARS PARK IN THE STREET AND THE YARD. 
          >> IF THEY CAN GET AWAY WITH IT, THEY CAN PARK IN FRONT OF THE 
          HOUSE. >> IT PUTS THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE OR MUNICIPAL DEPARTMENT IN A PRECARIOUS POSITION TO ENFORCE THAT, SURE. BUT WE DO HAVE ACCESS PROBLEMS WHERE THE ROADS ARE TOO MAYOR OWES, AND THE DRIVER WAYS ARE NOT SUFFICIENT TO HOUSE THE NUMBER OF VEHICLES THAT ARE 
          NORMALLY CARRIED AT PROPERTIES. >> DEFINITELY I SEE IT EVERYWHERE, A LOT OF PLACES, YEAH. 
          THANK YOU. I STILL HAVE MORE QUESTIONS. 
          >> IT IS FOR DOTY. SO WHY 20%? I MEAN I KNOW THE OTHER PLANS HAVE IT BUT WHAT IF WE, YOU KNOW, DO WE HAVE TO DO THE SAME OR, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE LOOKING AT AFFORDABLE HOUSING THEN, YOU KNOW, WHAT IF WE DID IT A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN 20% OR, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT? 
          >> YOU KIND OF -- YOU HAVE A BIG SPECTRUM. 
          CAN YOU ALL PUDS COME TO THE BOARD NOR A FINAL APPROVAL. 
          YOU CAN NOT -- YOU CAN DECIDE NOT TO MAKE ANY CHANGES AND HAVE A POLICY AMONG YOURSELF IF YOU CHOOSE TO, TO REQUIRE ADDITIONAL PARKING OF THOSE INDIVIDUAL APPLICANTS AS THEY COME FORWARD. 
          WE WERE ASKED TO KIND OF MAP WHAT LAKE ASBURY HAD, THEY HAD A LIMIT OF 20%, BRANDON FIELD IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT FOR LOTS, THERE IS A LARGER PERCENTAGE THERE. 
          IT'S UP TO YOU. I THINK WE DO NEED TO ADDRESS PARKING. THAT IS CRITICAL, THAT IS THE DRIVER OF THE CONCERNS. IF -- THERE IS THE ARGUMENT TOO THAT NARROW LOTS ARE NEEDED BECAUSE THEY ARE LESS EXPENSIVE TO THE DEVELOPER, THEREFORE, YOU KNOW, IF HE'S EXPENDING LESS FUNDS TO BUY THE LAND, THIN HE'LL BE ABLE TO DEVELOP AT A LESSER COST AND THEREFORE SELL IT AT A LESSER COST BUT NARROW LOTS DON'T NECESSARILY MEAN THAT THE PROPERTY IS LESS EXPENSIVE. 
          YOU KNOW THEY RUN A GAMUT AND I HAVE SEEN NEIGHBORHOODS WHERE THEY ARE VERY HIGH END, HIGH AND I'VE SEEN THE OPPOSITE. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT A BEGIN. >> THERE'S NO GUARANTEE THEY WILL STILL BE AFFORDABLE HOUSING. 
          >> RIGHT. I CAN'T EXACTLY GIVE YOU A PERCENTAGE OF SAYING LIMITING IT TO 20% IS NECESSARILY THE 
          PERFECT SCENARIO. >> ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. 
          >> SO FOR CLARIFICATION, WHAT DOES THE CODE SAY TODAY? IS IT SILENT ON PUDS OUTSIDE OF THE TWO MASTER PLANS? 
          >> IT IS. >> BUT THOSE PUDS HAVE STILL HAD 
          TO COME TO THE BCC. >> CORRECT. 
          >> THEY HAVE A MINIMUM LOT SIZE OF 40 FOOT BECAUSE WE HAVE A COUNTY CODES CANTHAT SAYS THAT OR THERE IS NO MINIMUM LOT SIZE? 
          >> HANG ON ONE SECOND. I DON'T BELIEVE WE HAVE ONE. 
          THAT'S WHERE WE NORMED IT. INCORPORATED IT. 
          NO, BECAUSE THE IDEA OF A PUD IS YOU ESSENTIALLY AS THE DEVELOPER ARE COMING FORWARD AND SETTING UP YOUR OWN SET OF CODES 
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ESTABLISHING WHAT YOUR LOT SIZES ARE GOING TO BE. 
          >> AND WE HAVE JUST NOT EVER HAD ONE COME THAT HAS BEEN LESS THAN 40 FEET RIGHT? BECAUSE WE HAVE SOME NEIGHBORHOODS THAT HAVE 40 FOOT LOTS, RIGHT? 
          >> YES THAT'S -- >> BUT WE DON'T HAVE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT HAVE LESS THAN 40 FOOT LOTS. 
          THAT ARE NOT INTENTIONALLY LIKE MULTIFAMILY LIKE DUPLEX OR -- 
          >> RIGHT, I DON'T THINK THE PUDS THAT ARE OUTSIDE THE MASTER PLANS HAVE BEEN LESS THAN 40. I THINK -- 
          >> WHAT IF SOMEBODY BROUGHT SOMETHING LIKE A NEIGHBORHOOD OF GARDEN HOMES THAT ARE SAY LIKE 12 -- I'VE SEEN ANOTHER NOT IN FLORIDA, IT'S ACTUALLY OGATED COMMUNITY, HIGH-END, IT HAS MAYBE 40 HOMES IN IT AND THEY ARE BUILT AS DUPLEXES, A TOTAL OF 3500 SQUARE FEET BETWEEN THE TWO UNITS, THREE BEDROOM TWO BATH WITH GARAGES. WOULD THIS LIMIT THEM TO THEY WOULD HAVE TO HAVE 50 FOOT LOTS FOR THAT WHERE WE'RE SILENT ON THAT TODAY WHEN SOMEONE CAME WITH THIS KIND OF DEVELOPMENT 
          HERE? >> WHAT THIS WOULD DO IS YOU CAN DO A SINGLE FAMILY OR ATTACHED. BUT YOU CAN'T HAVE MORE THAN 20% OF THE LOTS BE, YOU KNOW, LESS THAN 40 FEET WIDE. 
          >> THIS IS SAYING THOUGH THAT ONLY 20% OF THOSE LOTS COULD BE 
          LESS THAN 50 FEET WIDE. >> YES. 
          >> SO THEY'RE 51 FEET THEY CAN HAVE MORE THAN 20%? 
          >> RIGHT, YOU COULD HAVE 80% OF IT. 
          >> OKAY AND THEN THIS DOES NOT ADDRESS PARKING BECAUSE PARKING IS IN A DIFFERENT PART OF THE CODE. 
          >> CORRECT. >> AND IT DOES NOT ADDRESS 
          CREATION BECAUSE THAT IS -- >> THERE IS A PROVISION FOR THEM TO PROVIDE RECREATION BUT IT IS 4% OF 10% OF THE GROSS ACREAGE, AND THE RECREATION PROVISIONS IN THE MASTER PLANS ARE EXPRESSED COMPLETELY DIFFERENTLY. SO IT IS AN APPLES TO ORANGES KIND OF THING AND STAFF REALLY BELIEVES THAT IT SHOULD BE NEEDS TO BE THE SAME KIND OF LANGUAGE SO EVERYONE KNOWS AS A DEVELOPER THEY HAVE TO PROVIDE. AND WE HAVE A STANDARD THAT WE 
          CAN ALL GET BEHIND. >> AND THAT WILL BE ADDRESSED IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE CHANGES THAT ARE COMING? 
          >> YES, WHI IS GOING TO ANALYZE THAT. 
          >> ON THAT SAME NOTE BUT SOMETHING THAT I BECAME AWARE OF ACTUALLY JUST TODAY, IS THAT IF YOU GUYS CAN PUT A LITTLE BIT MORE INTO WHAT THAT SAYS AND WHO THE USES, USE FOR IT IS, IT HAS COME TO MY ATTENTION THAT THERE ARE SEVERAL NEWER NEIGHBORHOODS IN THE BRANDONVILLE MASTER PLAN, ACTUALLY IN COMMISSIONER BOLLA'S DISTRICT, I BECAME AWARE OF IT BECAUSE OF THE USE OF SOME PARK SPACE IN MY DISTRICT, THAT THESE SUBDIVISION ARE BEING EXCLUSIVE. 
          SO THE COUNTY REQUIRES THAT THEY BUILD THE RECREATION SPACE AND THEN THEY ARE BEING EXCLUSIVE ON WHO CAN USE IT. 
          AND THE CDD BOARDS OR THE HOA BOARDS OR WHOEVER ARE SAYING NO YOU HAVE TO COME AND APPLY TO US, WE HAVE TO BLESS YOUR ACTIVITY BEFORE YOU CAN USE THIS MULTIPURPOSE FIELD OR ACTIVITY FIELD OR WHATEVER. SO IF, WHEN YOU'RE DOING THOSE REVISIONS IF YOU CAN KEEP THAT IN MIND, THAT IS NOT THE INTENTION OF RECREATION SPACE, I DON'T THINK, WAS THE INTENTION. 
          SO AT ANY RATE THAT'S -- IT CAME TO LIGHT TODAY BUT IT KIND OF PLAYS INTO THIS. THOSE ARE MY QUESTIONS, THANK 
          YOU. >> IN A LOT OF THESE CASES THE CDD IS PAYING OR THE THE MAINTENANCE AND UPKEEP OF THOSE SPACES AND THEY DON'T FEEL IT IS INCUMBENT UPON THEM TO DO A PUBLIC FACILITY FOR THE WORLD. THAT'S THE ISSUE. 
          UNLESS THE COUNTY WANTS TO PAY FOR IT ALL THEN IT'S A DIFFERENT 
          ANIMAL OKAY? >> WELL, I DON'T KNOW, THEY COULD PROBABLY CHARGE SOME OF THESE USAGE FEE BUT I DON'T KNOW IF GOING OUT THERE TO PRACTICE SOCCER WITH YOUR CHILD IS A -- 
          >> IT IS IN YOUR BACKYARD AND YOU'RE MOWING THE GRASS IT MIGHT MAKE A DIFFERENCE TO YOU. COMMISSIONER. 
          >> THANK YOU, YES, I WAS GOING TO SAY THAT IS NOT UNUSUAL. 
          ALL YOUR CDD'S ARE IN THAT SAME BOAT THAT THEY HAVE RECREATIONAL FACILITIES WHICH ARE FOR MEMBERS ONLY, FOR RESIDENTS THAT LIVE THERE THAT'S BECAUSE AS THE CHAIR POINTED OUT THEY PAID THROUGH BOND ISSUED TO BUILD THEM AND THEY TAKE CARE OF THEM THROUGH MAINTENANCE ON TOP OF RECREATIONAL FEES THAT WOULD BE INCLUDED IN THEIR AD VALOREM TAXES, THEY'RE PAYING EXTRA FOR THOSE. I THINK IN ADDITION TO THE 
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PARKING AND SAFETY ISSUES FOR SMALLER LOTS IN 50, THE FIRST THING I'D LIKE TO SAY IS WE'RE SORT OF BRINGING IN LINE WITH WHAT IS ALREADY A COUNTY LAW WHICH IS BASICALLY IN THE LAKE ASBURY MASTER PLAN SO WE'RE SORT OF MATCHING THAT. 
          I CHUCKLE EVERY TIME I HEAR THAT WE MAKE SMALLER LOTS AND THEY BECOME PART OF THIS AFFORDABLE HOUSING ACTION AND PUSH, I'VE YET TO SEE ANY AFFORDABLE HOUSING ON SMALLER THAN 50-FOOT LOTS. AND I THINK THE WHOLE POINT HERE, AND IN ADDITION AS I SAID TO THE PARKING AND THE SAFETY ISSUES, BECAUSE PARKING DOES BECOME A PROBLEM WHEN YOU HAVE THE HOMES AS SMALL AS ON 40 FOOT LOTS OR SMALLER, UNLESS THEY ARE DUPLEXES WHICH THEN THEY SPLIT THAT AREA, IS ESTHETICS. 
          YOU KNOW DURING THE PLANNING-ZONING MEETING THAT WAS A 4-3 VOTE A COUPLE OF THE BUILDERS VOTED AGAINST THE SMALLER LOTS. AND THE WHOLE DISCUSSION TURNED ON WELL, YOU KNOW RIVER TOWN WHICH IS A PRETTY NICE DEVELOPMENT OVER THERE IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY AND HAS 40 FOOT LOTS AND 50 FOOT LOTS AND THEY DO, THE 40 FOOT LOTS ARE IN THE TOWN CENTER WHERE THEY HAVE SOME PATIO HOMES THAT ARE FOR 55 AND OVER. IN FACT MR. EGAN THERE HE TOOK ME ON A TOUR OF THAT A COUPLE OF YIERGS. 
          BUT THEY HAVE 50 FOOT LOTS, THEY ALSO HAVE 60 AND 70 AND 80 AND THEY STAGGER THEM AND THEY MIX AND MATCH THEM SO WHEN YOU LOOK DOWN THE STREET YOU DON'T SEE THE SAME 40 FOOT LOT WITH THE HOUSE IN THE SAME SPOT AND THE SAME EXTERIOR DESIGN AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT QUALITY OF LIFE ISSUES. AND, YOU KNOW, I GOT A COUPLE LETTERS FROM SOME OF THE BUILDERS ABOUT NARROWER THAN 50 FOOT LOTS. WELL IF YOU ARE GOING NARROWER THAN 50 FOOT LOTS YOU'RE NEVER GOING TO GET MY VOTE ON IT UNLESS IT IS SOME KIND OF SPECIAL 55 OR OLDER DEVELOPMENT WITH PATIO HOMES OR SOME KIND OF THING. 
          IF THEY WANT THAT THEN BRING IT FORWARD AND THE BOARD WILL MAKE THAT DETERMINATION. I TALKED ABOUT THIS TO REALTORS BEFORE AND I SAID DO YOU GET AS PART OF THE MARKET REQUEST DO YOU GET SOMEBODY SAYING I WANT THE SPALLEST LOT YOU HAVE BUT I'M GOING TO PUT THE BIGGEST HOUSE ON IT. 
          NOBODY SAYS THAT, THAT THE CUSTOMER DRIVES IT. 
          SO IT'S NOT BEING DRIVEN BY THE CONSUMER, IT'S BEING DRIVEN BY THE DEVELOPER BECAUSE THEY'RE LOOKING TO CUT COST. 
          I UNDERSTAND THAT BUT THEY ARE NOT DOING THE OTHER THINGS. 
          SO I'M IN FAVOR OF THIS AND I HAVE NO PROBLEM FASTING IT AND LET WGI LOOK AT THAT AND IF THEY NEED TO ADJUST IT AS THEY DO THEIR LDC RECOMMENDATIONS BUT AT LEAST THEN EVERYBODY WILL KNOW WHERE WE'RE GOING OR WHERE OUR THOUGHTS ARE ON IT SO EVERYBODY BRINGS A PUD IN AND THEY'VE GOT THEIR OWN MIX AND MATCH, YOU KNOW, BUT I JUST THINK THAT WE NEED TO PUT STRONGER WORDING IN PLACE SO THAT THEY KNOW WHAT IT IS AND IT IS NOT SOMETHING 
          THAT'S UP FOR QUESTION. >> ANYONE ELSE? THE CONCEPT OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS GOOD, I THINK IT'S GREAT TO MIX IT WITH OTHER TYPES OF HOUSING. 
          MY EXPERIENCE, YOU KNOW, I GREW UP IN CHICAGO. 
          AND THAT HAS -- THAT WAS A DISASTER PUTTING EVERYBODY, ALL THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING ON ONE BLOCK. 
          I DON'T THINK THAT'S A GOOD IDEA HERE EITHER. 
          WE HAVE NOW GOT A 24-FOOT STREET REQUIREMENT, IN OUR CODE WHICH ALLOWS TWO VEHICLES TO PARK ON EACH SIDE AND STILL BE ABLE TO GET A FIRE TRUCK OR A GARBAGE TRUCK THROUGH THERE. 
          WE STILL NEED TO MAKE SURE WE GET THE VEHICLE OFF THE SIDEWALK, HOWEVER. AND I ASSUME THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WITH OUR PARKING CODE, WHEN THAT G GETS OFF THE GROUND. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND SOME PEOPLE DON'T WANT A LAWN TO MAINTAIN. I MAY BE ONE OF THEM SOON. 
          BUT YOU DON'T GET THE ESTHETICS IF YOU PUT -- IF YOU PUT A WHOLE COMMUNITY OF 40-FOOT LOTS IN. AND ARBITRARILY, 20% MAY NOT BE THE RIGHT NUMBER BUT IT SOUNDS OKAY TO  ME RIGHT NOW. 
          IT'S WHAT WE ALREADY GOT. I WOULD SUPPORT THIS AND IF WGI WANTS TO INCORPORATE THIS IN SOMETHING THEY'RE DOING WE CAN LOOK AT IT IN A YEAR AT LEAST AND THEN FIX IT. 
          SO THAT'S WHERE I'M COMING FROM. ANYONE ELSE? 
          TAKE A MOTION. >> I'LL MAKE A MOVE TO APPROVE. 
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          >> SECOND. >> IT IS A PUBLIC HEARING. 
          >> OH, OKAY. I'M SORRY. 
          I MISSED THAT PART. >> SO DID I. 
          >> WE'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. 
          >> COMMISSIONER BURKE WAS OVER HERE SAYING PUBLIC HEARING. 
          >> WELL YOU KNOW, BECAUSE WE HAVE THE SPEAKER HERE I TEND TO LOOK IN THIS DIRECTION AND I SHORT YOU GUYS. 
          I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. >> NO IT'S OKAY. 
          >> WE'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING, ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS. MR. CLINSMAN. 
          >> SINCE I DON'T GET OUT MUCH ANYMORE I'M GOING TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF BEING HERE FOR A CHANGE. 
          ONCE AGAIN, I DON'T LIKE SOUNDING LIKE A GR BROKEN RECOR, AND FOR YOU KIDS OUT THERE ASK GRANDPA WHAT THAT MEANS. 
          WE HAVE JUST HAD TWO CRC'S TWO CHARTER REVIEW COMMITTEES IN A ROW THAT ACCOMPLISHED ABSOLUTELY NOTHING BECAUSE IT WAS CENTERED ON POLITICAL THINGS. AND NOT ON OUR CHARTER, WHICH IS KIND OF LIKE OUR CONSTITUTION. AND PROTECTS US A LOT BETTER THAN SOME RANDOM PEOPLE IN TALLAHASSEE. 
          SO I'M VERY PROUD THAT WE HAVE THAT. 
          AND TO TIE THIS IN, THESE LITTLE TINY DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE GOING UP OFF OF ALL THE MAIN THOROUGHFARES ARE AT BEST THEY'RE HIDEOUS. THEY ARE VERY SMALL, THEY'RE IDENTICALLY, THEY ARE ALL LINED UP, ONE AFTER ANOTHER, AND ALSO JUST NO REAM PERSONALITY TO THEM. 
          AND THE LOTS SHOULD BE LARGER AND I THINK THE CRC, THE NEXT TIME AROUND, WE SHOULD DO A BETTER JOB IN FINDING PEOPLE THAT ARE INTERESTED IN FINDING THE BETTER PARTS OF THE COUNTY THAT HAVE NOT ALREADY BEEN RUN ROUGHSHOD OVER WITH CLEAR CUTTING AND AS FAULT AND CRACKERJACK BOX HOUSING. 
          IT'S JUST, BUT I'D LIKE TO SEE THE CRC NEXT TIME AROUND ADDRESS THIS. ANOTHER THING THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE, THE TERM AFFORDABLE HOUSING KEEPS GOING ABOUT. 
          I'VE BEEN HERE 35 YEARS. I COULD AFFORD IT WHEN I MOVED HERE. IF I WERE TO GO OUT TODAY I HAVE NOT SEEN A SINGLE DEVELOPMENT, OR TOWN HOME OR WHATEVER, THAT I WOULD CONSIDER AFFORDABLE. I WOULD BE LIVING SOMEWHERE PAST OCOEE, NEAR A SWAMP IF I WANTED TO STAY IN FLORIDA FOR THAT. 
          AND WE NEED TO ADJUST AND ADDRESS HOW WE SEE OUR COMMUNITY. I'D LOVE TO GET MARK ON THERE AND STEVE ON THAT CRC AND IF I'M STILL AROUND I WILL, TOO. 
          YOU KNOW, AGAIN, BEST-USE DATE, I'M WAY PAST THAT. 
          SO THOSE ARE MY CONCERNS. DEFINE AFFORDABILITY. 
          WIDER LOTS. NO MCMANSIONS, THEY'RE NOT NECESSARY. PEOPLE WANT THEM, FINE. 
          BUT, YOU KNOW, I'M THINKING MAYBE MINIMUM, HALF ACRE LOTS. 
          THANK YOU. >> OKAY. 
          MAKE SURE YOU GET YOUR NAME IN FOR THE CRC IT'S A TOUGH JOB AN- 
          >> PAYS GOOD THOUGH. >> PAYS GRIT, THAT'S EXACTLY. 
          ALMOST AS GOOD AS OURS. >> I'M ALREADY TAKING NAMES FOR NEXT TIME. IF WE HAVE TO DO IT AGAIN IN 
          THREE YEARS I'M READY. >> ALL RIGHT, ANYONE ELSE FOR PUBLIC HEARING? WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. 
          NOW WE'LL COME BACK. >> I MAKE THE SAME MOTION. 
          >> SAME MOTION. >> I MAKE THE SAME SECOND. 
          >> SAME SECOND. FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR INDICATE BY SAYING AYE. 
          OPPOSED SAME SIGN. CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY. 
          >> AND DOTY WILL YOU ASK IF WGI HAS ANYTHING BETTER TO COME BACK TO US WITH. I HAD A THOUGHT AT THE END OF THE CONVERSATION WE ALL AGREED KIND OF LAST YEAR THAT THE MASTER PLANS AS WRITTEN ARE PRETTY GOOD IDEAS. 
          SO IF THEY'RE PRETTY GOOD IDEAS, AND I THINK COMMISSIONER BOLLA TO USE YOUR WORDS FROM A PAST MEETING, IF WE JUST LIVE TO WHAT WE HAVE IN THE MASTER PLANS WE WOULD BE FINE. 
          SO I DON'T KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, ANYWAY, IT JUST SEEMS TO ME LIKE IF IT WAS A GOOD IDEA IN THE MASTER PLANS IT IS PROBABLY A 
          GOOD IDEA OUTSIDE OF THEM. >> ALL RIGHT. 
          [9.  Progress Report on the Bonded Transportation Program (E. Dendor)]
WE STOPPED AT NUMBER 9, I BELIEVE. 
          [02:05:05]
PROGRESS REPORT ON THE BONDED TRANSPORTATION PROGRAM. 
          >> GOOD EVENING, ED DENDOR. I USUALLY PROVIDE A SHORT VERSION OF WHAT'S IN YOUR PACKET BUT DUE TO THE INCLEMENT WEATHER OUTSIDE, I'LL MAKE A SHORTER VERSION OF THE SHORTER VERSION. 
          FOR C MARK GROUP NUMBER 2 PERMITS ARE UNDER REVIEW FOR PROJECTS 2 AND 5 AND THEIR CULTURAL RESOURCE SURVEYS ARE 2, 5 AND SIRKSA, COUNTY ROAD 209, WORKING TOWARDS THEIR 90%, COUNTY ROAD 29B AND FOR PROJECT NUMBER 4 COUNTY ROAD 739B SAND RIDGE ROAD, SOUTHEAST, GUARANTEED A MAXIMUM PRICE CONTRACT OR AGREEMENT AT THE OCTOBER 25TH BOARD MEETING. 
          MOVING ON TO PROJECT 6B, COUNTY ROAD 216. 
          THE TEAM HAS RELEASED FOR CONSTRUCTION THE TYPICAL PLAN, BOX CULVERT PLAN AND THEIR 90% BRIDGE PLANS ARE CURRENTLY UNDER REVIEW. SO FAR WE RECEIVED TWO OF THE FOUR RESERVATION LETTERS FOR THE WETLAND MITIGATION BANK ON THAT PROJECT. AND LASTLY WE HELD AN OPEN HOUSE INFORMATIONAL SHARING MEETING OT OCTOBER FEANTS, ALL THE INFORMATION WAS WELL RECEIVED FROM THE COMMUNITY, GOT A SOME GREAT FEEDBACK FROM THAT. AND WITH THAT CONCLUDES MY UPDATE AND I'M HERE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. 
          >> ANYONE? AWAY A GREAT JOB, NOT EVEN ONE QUESTION. THANK YOU. 
          >> THANK YOU, APPRECIATE YOUR SERVICES, SIR, THANK YOU. 
          [10.  Draft Changes to Article VI Tree Protection and Landscaping Standards (B. Carson)]
          >> THANK YOU. BRINGS US TO 10. 
          DRAFT CHANGES ON THE TREE PROTECTION AND LANDSCAPING 
          STANDARDS. >> GOOD AFTERNOON, BETH CARSON DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF PLANNING AND ZONING. 
          I HAVE TO OFFER APOLOGIES BECAUSE I DID NOT REALIZE WHEN YOU CONVERT A WORD DOCUMENT IN ADOBE, IT TAKES AWAY STRIKE THROUGH AND UNDERLINE. YOU CAN'T SEE WHAT CHANGES I'M PRESENTING TO YOU. I'M GIVING YOU A DRAFT WHICH HAS BRIGHT RED LETTERS AND NUMBERS ET CETERA. 
          THIS ITEM IS AN INFORMATION ONLY UPDATE RIGHT NOW TO PRESENT THE PROGRESS SO FAR. WE ARE STILL CONTINUING TO WORK ON THIS. THIS IS BASED ON THE FEBRUARY WORKSHOP WHERE WE TALKED ABOUT FLORIDA FRIENDLY LANDSCAPING ITEMS, AS WELL AS THE TREE PROTECTION TRUST FUND WAS SOMETHING THAT WE TALKED ABOUT, AND FEES AND VIOLATIONS. 
          SO I REALIZE YOU DON'T HAVE TIME TO ABSORB THAT ALL NOW. 
          BUT I'M GIVING YOU THE DRAFT. WE ARE CONTINUING TO WORK WITH CCUA AND ST. JOHNS WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT TO WORK THROUGH WHAT WE WANT THIS COUNTY TO BE AS FAR AS FLORIDA FRIENDLY STANDARDS. AND I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OR SEND ME E-MAILS AND HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. 
          >> I DO HAVE A QUESTION, BETH I MAY DRIVE AROUND THE COUNTY AND I SEE A PROPERTY THAT THEY'RE CLEARING ALL THE TREES. 
          IT APPEARS TO ME CAN A LAND OWNER DO THAT, TAKE DOWN ALL 
          THEIR TREES IF THEY WANT TO? >> THE PROPERTY OWNER OF A SINGLE FAMILY LOT CAN DO THAT. WE HAVE NO RESTRICTIONS ON SINGLE FAMILY LOTS. WE ALSO DO NOT RESTRICT SOMEONE WHO IS ACTIVELY TIMBER CULTURING THEIR PROPERTY. 
          WE DON'T RESTRICT THAT. IF IT IS COMMERCIAL OR RESIDENTIAL WHICH POTENTIALLY COULD BE A SUBDIVISION, IN THOSE INSTANCES THEY WOULD POSSIBLY BE IN VIOLATION, IF THEY DON'T HAVE A LANDSCAPE PLAN THAT IS SUBMITTED AND APPROVED. 
          THE BEST AVENUE IS CONTACT PLANNING AND ZONING AND WE WILL 
          CHECK THAT OUT. >> I GET THAT QUESTION SO I 
          WANTED TO SKIT ON THE RECORD. >> ANYONE ELSE? OKAY THANK YOU. GOT SOME READING TO DO. 
          >> NOT ALL OF US BUT SOME OF US. >> WE EXPECT YOU TO REPORT BACK. 
          >> YES, RIGHT. >> MR. CHAIRMAN, IF I MAY JUST ONE MOMENT TO RECOGNIZE FOLKS FROM CCUA, CEO HERE JEREMY JOHNSON AND FOLKS FROM ST. JOHNS WATER MAIN DISTRICT, WANTED TO MAKE SURE THE BOARD KNEW THAT AND GAVE THEM AN OPPORTUNITY TO ASK ANY DETAILED QUESTIONS TO THEM ALSO. 
          >> WE APPRECIATE YOUR INPUT. THIS IS KIND OF TECHNICAL STUFF WHEN YOU GET DOWN TO TRYING TO CRAFT A LAW AROUND IT SO WE LEFT WITH SOME GREEN IN CLAY COUNTY AFTER WE'RE DONE IMPROVING 
          [02:10:02]
THINGS SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR INPUT. 
          [11.  Participation in the Clay County School Board Cooperative Bid No. 22-BA-128 with Gate Fuel Services, Inc. (K. Smith)]
OKAY WHERE ARE WE HERE? 10 LANDSCAPE. 
          OLD BUSINESS, NUMBER 11. THIS IS THE SCHOOL FUEL SERVICES 
          CONTRACT. >> YES, SIR. 
          SO BRINGING THIS BACK TO YOU TONIGHT WITH HOPEFULLY A COUPLE OF ANSWERS THAT WE WERE LOOKING FOR AT THE LAST MEETING. 
          BUT THIS IS THE COOPERATIVE FUEL BID THAT THE SCHOOL BOARD PUTS OUT. SEVERAL AGENCIES, THE TOWN OF ORANGE PARK, CITY OF GREEN COVE AND THE COUNTY PARTICIPATES. 
          IT IS JUST A COOPERATIVE AGREEMENT. 
          IT ALLOWS US TO PARTICIPATE IF WE KNOW ACTUAL COMMITMENT, SO AT THE LAST MEETING WE DISCUSSED RED DYE DIESEL AND DIESEL, SO I'D LIKE TO REPORT BACK TO YOU THAT THE COUNTY MONTHLY SUBMITS A REPORT TO THE DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE WHERE WE GET REFUNDED THE TAXES ON THE FUEL. SO THAT WAS ONE OF THE BIG QUESTIONS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT LAST WEEK, OR AT THE PRIOR MEETING. THE RED DYE DIESEL DOES NOT GET TAXED. BUT ALSO WANT TO REPORT BACK THAT THE REGULAR DIESEL THAT THE COUNTY USES, WE GET THAT REFUNDED BACK TO US. THE COUNTY, SAME AS WITH THE SCHOOL BOARD AND THE OTHER AGENCIES USE THE RED DYE DIESEL IN THE GENERATORS, IT IS AN OFF ROAD DIESEL SO IT CAN BE USED IN GENERATORS. AND THE LAST QUESTION THAT WAS ASKED WAS, HOW DO THE PRICES FLUCTUATE SO MUCH AND WHY DOES RED DYE DIESEL SOMETIMES COST MORE, THAT IS REALITY UNUSUAL. 
          I SPENT TWO WEEKS TRYING TO FIND AN ANSWER ON THAT. 
          THERE IS REALLY NOT A GOOD ANSWER ON THAT. 
          IT WAS .0208 CENTS HIGHER, SPEAKING WITH GATE OUR REPRESENTATIVE ACTUALLY LIVES IN CLAY COUNTY, HAS WORKED FOR GATE FOR 30 YEARS. SHE SAYS SHE'S NOT SEEN PRICES FLUCTUATE LIKE THIS IN HER WHOLE CAREER. 
          SO SHE COULD NOT ANSWER THE QUESTION. 
          I CALLED ANOTHER FUELING AGENCY, PETROLEUM AND THINK COULD NOT ANSWER IT EITHER NOR COULD THE GENTLEMAN THAT'S OVER THE FLORIDA STATE DEPARTMENT OF MANAGEMENT SERVICES FUEL AGREEMENT. SO FSO I APOLOGIZE ARE I APOLOGA GOOD ANSWER ON THAT. THE REPORTS ARE PUT OUT SOME DAILY AND WEEKLY. THE REPORT THAT WE USE IS THE OPUS REPORT PUT OUT WEEKLY AND IT'S BASED ON THE PRIOR WEEK'S SUPPLY AND DEMAND AND USAGE. SO WITH THAT, HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, I WILL SAY I LOOKED AT THE STATE OF FLORIDA BULK FUEL AGREEMENT BECAUSE WE ALSO HAVE THE RIGHT TO USE THAT AND IN SOME CASES THEIR FIXED FEES WERE HIGHER THAN THE FEES WE'RE SEEING ON THE SCHOOL BOARD BID. 
          SO AGAIN, IT'S A COOPERATIVE BID. 
          SO IF WE WANT TO DECIDE TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT LATER WE HAVE THAT RIGHT TO DO IT. BUT THEY STILL, MY CURRENT EVALUATION OF IT IT IS A GOOD BID FOR US TO CONTINUE TO 
          PARTICIPATE IN. >> ANY QUESTIONS? 
          >> I'LL MOVE REMOVAL. >> I'LL SECOND. 
          >> WE DO HAVE THE SCHOOL BOARD PROCUREMENT TEAM HERE, I'D LIKE TO THANK THEM, THEY DID A GREAT JOB AND PER OUR POLICY THE COUNTY MANAGER CAN SIGN THIS TYPE OF AGREEMENT, COOPERATIVE AGREEMENT SO IF HE WILL SIGN THAT TONIGHT I WILL HAND DELIVER 
          IT TO THEM BEFORE THEY LEAVE. >> TALK ABOUT EFFICIENT. 
          >> YES, SORRY WE HELD UP YOUR PROGRESS. 
          >> WE APPRECIATE IT, THANK YOU. >> OKAY, MOTION AND SECOND, 
          YEAH, DISCUSSION? >> WELL -- 
          >> GO. >> I HAVE A, YOU KNOW THIS INVESTIGATION REVEALED THAT ALTHOUGH AT TIMES WE'LL USE NUMBER 2 DIESEL IN OUR AREAS THAT, THAT HAS A ROAD TAX ATTACHED TO IT. OKAY? AND WHEN WE USE IT IN AN OFF ROAD CONDITION WE GET THE REBATE. SO IT CAUSES US TO LOOK AT WHERE DO WE USE NUMBER 2 DIESEL AND SHOULD WE BE DOCUMENTING IT. 
          AND AS OFF ROAD TO 19 US TO GET THE TAX BACK. 
          SO SAVING ACCOUNTING MONEY. >> OKAY. 
          ANYONE ELSE, ANY MORE COMMENTS? WE NEED TO VOTE THIS ONE, RIGHT? 
          >> YES, SIR. >> OKAY SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR INDICATE BY 
          [12.  Approval of Interlocal Agreement between Clay County and Shadowlawn CDD for Assignment of the Funding Agreement and the Roadway Construction Impact Fee Credit Agreement between Clay County, Florida and Reinhold Corporation for the Construction of the County Road 218 Extension and for the Extension of Commencement Date]
SAYING AYE. OPPOSED SAME SIGN, CARRIES UNANIMOUS. NEW BUSINESS. 
          NUMBER 12. INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT BETWEEN 
          [02:15:01]
SHADOW LAWN CDD, FOR ASSIGNMENT OF FUNDINGS AGREEMENT AND THE ROADWAY IMPACT FEE CREDIT AGREEMENT BETWEEN CLAY COUNTY, FLORIDA AND REINHOLD INCARCERATION. 
          >> AS YOU WILL RAIL THE COUNTY ENTERED INTO A FUNDING AGREEMENT AS WELL AS A CREDIT AGREEMENT WITH REINHOLD, REINHOLD IS ASSIGNING THOSE AGREEMENTS TO SHADOWLAWN CDD, CONSTRUCTING THE 218 EXTENSION AND UNDER THE AGREEMENTS IT IS FOR YOU TO ACCEPT THAT ASSIGNMENT. ADDITIONALLY, THE ACTUAL FUNDING AGREEMENT PROVIDES THAT THE 218 EXTENSION, THE COMMENCEMENT DATE IS TO BE DECEMBER OF THIS YEAR, HOWEVER SALAD OWELAWN CDD HAS REQUESTED AN EXTENSION OF TIME UNTIL APRIL OF NEXT YEAR. 
          SO THE INTERLOCAL IS TO BASICALLY MEMORIALIZE THOSE DIFFERENT REQUESTS AND MR. EGAN EGANIS HERE FOR ANY FURTHER INFORMATION YOU NEED FOR HIM TO PROVIDE OR ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. 
          >> GEORGE EGAN, 1820 TOWN CENTER BOULEVARD. 
          THIS IS THE NEXT STEP IN A 500 STEP PROCESS OF GETTING THE ROAD BUILT. THE ORIGINAL INTENTION WAS TO SIGN THE CDD AND SIGN THE CONTRACT WITH THE CDD WHEN WE ENTERED THE AGREEMENT WITH THE COUNTY BACK IN 2018. 
          THE CDD HASN'T BEEN SET UP YET. SO WE PUSHED THE START DATE TO APRIL 30TH. THE PLAN RIGHT NOW IS TO GO OUT TO BID IN DECEMBER, AWARD IT IN JANUARY, ENGINEERING PLANS ARE DONE, WATER MANAGEMENT AND 404 PERMITS ARE DONE, THE ONLY THING HANGING OUT THERE IS OUR RABBITS AND TORTOISES, THE CDD BOARD ACCEPTED THE ASSIGNMENT OF THE CONTRACT AT OUR MEETING TODAY PENDING YOUR APPROVAL. SO THAT PART IS DONE. 
          AN THEN WE'RE -- WE HAVE THIS NOTICE TO PROCEED, END OF APRIL, TWO AND A HALF YEARS TO GET THE ROADWAY BUILT BEFORE THE EXPRESSWAY OPENS AND MY INTENTION IS ALREADY TRYING TO COORDINATE THE OPENING OF THE ROAD WITH THE OPENING OF THE EXPRESSWAY. I THINK I'VE SHARED WITH YOU BEFORE, IF WE OPEN IT UP MONTHS AHEAD OF TIME IT WILL BE ONE OF THE GREAT DRAG STRIPS IN THE SOUTHEAST UNITED STATES, WE'RE TRYING TO AVOID THAT. ALSO REINHOLD CORPORATION WILL ENTER INTO CONTRACT WITH THE CDD AND SIGN A CONTRACT BEFORE THEY BUILD THE ROAD. FROM A FINANCIAL ASPECT WE'LL STAND BEHIND THE CONSTRUCTION COST. 
          AND THE LAST PIECE WHEN THE ROAD IS DONE WE DEDICATE THE ROAD TO THE COUNTY, THE COUNTY GIVES THE CDD IMPACT FEES PLUS $2 MILLION IN CASH THE CDD TURNS AROUND AND GIVES THAT TO REINHOLD IN EXCHANGE FOR THE MONEY WE PUT IN AND THEN REINHOLD WILL OWN THE IMPACT FEES AT THAT POINT WHICH WILL BE, WELL, PROBABLY FROM TODAY, THREE, THREE AND A HALF YEARS FROM TODAY. 
          BUT LOOK FORWARD TO YOUR APPROVAL AND THANKS FOR CONSIDERING ANOTHER STEP IN THIS PROCESS. 
          SO. >> AND I DON'T KNOW IF GEORGE SAID IT OR NOT BUT IT WON'T BE CALLED THE 218 EXTENSION IT WILL BE THE OTHER PART OF THE CATHEDRAL OAK PARKWAY. 
          >> I'M STILL THINKING ABOUT CHANGING IT TO THE GEORGE EGAN 
          MEMORIAL PARKWAY. >> AS LONG AS THERE'S A STATUE THAT COMES ALONG WITH IT. MIGHT RECONSIDER THE MEMORIAL 
          PART. >> IT GOES ALONG WITH THE PROCESS. IS. 
          >> ALTHOUGH IF YOU THINK IT'S GOING TO BE THAT LONG BEFORE WE BUILD IT, IT WILL BE A WHOLE DIFFERENT PROCESS. 
          >> TAKE A MOTION. >> MOTION. 
          >> SECOND. >> ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, INDICATE 
          [13.  Bid No. 21/22-73, Demolition, Removal, and Disposal Services for the CDBG - DR Voluntary Home Buyout Program (J. Ward)]
BY SAIL IEG, OPPOSED SAME SIGN. CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY. 
          NUMBER 13, DEMOLITION AND DISPOSE AM SERVICES FOR THE CBBD 
          VOLUNTARY HOME BUYOUT PROGRAM. >> YES, SIR, SO PRESENTING THIS ITEM TONIGHT. THIS WAS AN ITEM THAT WAS ON THE FINANCE AND AUDIT COMMITTEE LAST WEEK. 
          SINCE THEN THE TEAM HAS ANOTHER VEMG THAN WHAT WE BROUGHT TO THE 
          [02:20:04]
FINANCE AND AUDIT COMMITTEE. WE WILL NOTE THE BID WAS PUT OUT PREMATURELY. THERE IS EIGHT HOMES TIED TO THIS BID AND WE HAD NOT CLOSED ON ALL EIGHT HOMES BEFORE WE PUT THIS OUT TO BID AND BROUGHT THE RECOMMENDATION TO THE FINANCE AND AUDIT COMMITTEE. ONE OF THE HOMES DID CLOSE THIS PAST MONDAY. THE EIGHTH HOME WILL NOT CLOSE FOR ANOTHER TWO TO THREE WEEKS. AND WHAT'S IMPORTANT ABOUT THAT IS, THE SCOPE OF EACH PROJECT WILL CHANGE, IF RESIDENT LEAVES ANYTHING BEHIND WILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR REMOVAL. 
          THERE IS INFORMATION WE'RE LOOKING INTO REGARDING THE REQUIREMENTS OF REMOVAL OF DOCK SO I THINK IT'S ONLY FAIR TO OUR CONTRACTORS TO THE COUNTY AND THIS IS DEO FUNDED OR GRANT FUNDED TO THE GRANT AGENCY THAT WE HAVE A CORRECT SCOPE OF WORK AND CORRECT DETAILS AND PRICING WHEN WE AWARD THIS. 
          AND OUT OF COURTESY, WE TYPICALLY HAVE THE GRANT AGENCY REVIEW THE CONTRACT BEFORE WE BRING IT TO YOU. 
          SO ON BEHALF OF THE TEAM JOHN IS VERY BIS RIGHT NOW BUT THIS IS A PROJECT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON SINCE 2020. 
          IT'S TIED TO IRMA SO I THINK WE'RE JUST EAGER TO GET THROUGH THIS BUT WE NEED TO DO IT THE RIGHT WAY. 
          WE STARTED WITH 23 HOMES AND WE'RE DOWN TO EIGHT SO GOOD PROGRESS AND WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO CLOSE THIS OUT SOON. 
          SO WITH THAT WE'RE ASKING TO YOU REJECT THE BIDS AND ALLOW US TO REBID AND WITH A MORE DETAILED SCOPE OF WORK AS THE CHAIRMAN OF THE FINANCE AND AUDIT COMMITTEE POINTED OUT. 
          >> OKAY, QUESTIONS? >> I'LL MOVE THAT WE -- WHAT ARE WE DOING NOW? REJECTING ALL BIDS AND REISSUE 
          THE RFP. >> OKAY. 
          DO WE HAVE A SECOND? >> I'LL SECOND. 
          >> PLOMOTION AND SEOND, FURTHER DISCUSSION? I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT WE'RE INVESTIGATING SOME OF THESE FOR POSSIBLE KAYAK LAUNCH SITES AFTER WE CLEAN THEM OFF AND GET EVERYTHING READY TO GO. THERE ISN'T MUCH MORE WE CAN PUT ON THEM BUT IF WE DON'T BUILD ON THEM I THINK WE CAN GET SOME GRAVEL ON IT AND MAKE A GOOD THING. 
          >> AND THAT'S AN IMPORTANT ASPECT. 
          I THINK WE OUGHT TO KNOW OR WE OUGHT TO HAVE AN IDEA WHAT WE PLAN TO DO WITH THOSE PROPERTIES. 
          BECAUSE A GRANT MAY FUND, YOU KNOW, IF WE WANT TO PUT A KAYAK LAUNCH THEY MAY FUND. IT CAN BE GREEN SPACE, IT CAN BE A POND OR IT CAN BE A PARK. SO, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD BE A STRETCH TO PUT A PARK AT THEIR EXPENSE BUT THEN AGAIN WE HAVEN'T ASKED AND THEY HAVEN'T SAID NO. 
          SO I THINK IT'S WORTH ASKING. >> YES, SIR I'LL DO SOME MORE 
          RESEARCH ON THE GRANT SIDE. >> I WOULD ASK THOUGH THAT THE CONSIDERATION THAT ALL BUT ONE EVER THESE IS IN OUR -- IN% NEIGHBORHOODS IN MY DISTRICT. AND I GUESS SINCE I DON'T HAVE CDD'S THAT PEOPLE PAY THAT WE COULD LIMIT WHO COULD USE THEM. 
          THAT PARKING BE THOUGHT ABOUT AROUND THE RESPECT FOR THE RESIDENTS THAT LIFERS ON -- THESE ARE LOTS OF HOMES THAT ARE NOT 50 FEET WIDE BUT THEY'RE LARGER LOTS BUT THEY ARE IN THE 
          MIDDLE OF NEIGHBORHOODS. >> YES, I ASKED THE BLUE WAYS COMMITTEE TO KIND OF LOOK AT THESE. 
          THEY'VE GOT THE ADDRESSES AND TO COME UP WITH SOME KIND OF STANDARD DESIGN. YOU KNOW, I'M THINKING MAYBE PARKING FOR TWO CARS AND A LAUNCH FOR A KAYAK. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, I DON'T -- >> I WILL SHARE WHERE YOU THAT THERE IS CONCERN, FOUR OR FIVE OF THEM ARE IN -- THREE OR FOUR OF THEM ARE IN BLACK CREEK PARK NORTH. 
          AND THAT HOA IS CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT COULD END UP. 
          THEY DON'T WANT THESE TO BECOME PARTY SPOTS ON BLACK CREEK. 
          BEACHES WHERE PEOPLE CAN PULL UP AND, YOU KNOW, ANYWAY. 
          SO FOR CONSIDERATION. >> NO FUN ALLOWED. 
          OKAY. WHAT ARE WE DOING WITH THIS ONE? 
          TIME FOR A MOTION? >> WE HAVE A MOTION. 
          OKAY. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR INDICATE BY SAYING AYE. OPPOSED SAME SIDE. 
          SO THAT'S THE MOTION, TO REBID. >> YES, SIR. 
          >> TO REJECT THE BIDS. >> TO REBIT. 
          [14.  Agreement with Multiple Firms for Continuing Architectural/Engineering Consulting Services for Parks and Recreation Projects (K. Smith)]
          THANK YOU. >> ITEM 14. 
          >> SO I'M HERE TO PRESENT ITEM 14 ALSO. 
          THIS IS THREE AGREEMENTS THAT WE'RE BRINGING TO YOU, THIS IS 
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IN RELATIONSHIP TO THE RFQ THAT YOU AWARDED FOR FIRMS TO ACT UNDER A CONTINUING CONTRACT FOR ARCHITECT ENGINEERING CONSULTING SERVICES FOR PARKS AND RECREATION PURPOSES. 
          WE HAVE THREE BEFORE YOU NOW, THESE ARE CONTINUING AGREEMENTS AND EACH PROJECT WILL BE ASSIGNED BY WORK ORDER USING THE FEES THAT ARE WITHIN THE AGREEMENT. 
          THE FIRM WOODS RESOURCES HAS CHANGED NAMES, AND SOME OF THEIR STAFF MEMBERS, SO THAT'S NEW INFORMATION TO US, SO WE NEED TO LOOK INTO THAT, RESEARCH THAT. THEY HAD NOT COLLECTED ALL OF THEIR SUBS FEES SO WE MAY BE BRINGING THE FOURTH ONE BACK TO YOU AT ANOTHER TIME IN THE NEAR FUTURE. 
          BUT I KNOW OUR PARKS AND REC STAFF IS EAGER TO GET SOME OF THESE FIRMS STARTED. WE HAVE SOME DRAINAGE PROJECTS, A PARKS PLAN, AND SOME THINGS, PROJECTS THAT THEY WANT TO START 
          USING THESE FIRMS FOR SO -- >> OKAY, QUESTIONS? 
          I'LL TAKE A MOTION. >> MOVE REMOVAL. 
          >> I'LL SECOND. >> ALL THOSE IN FAVOR INDICATE BY SAYING AYE, OPPOSED SAME SIGN. 
          CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY. 15, VACATION OF PORTION OF 
          [15.  Vacation of Portion of Seminole Ave ROW]
          SEMINOLE AVENUE RIGHT-OF-WAY. >> AS YOU RECALL WHEN SOMEONE APPLIES TO HAVE A ROW EVICT VAC, AT THE NEXT MEETING IS WHEN I IT'S ACTUALLY PRESENTED. AT THIS TIME STAFF IS JUST ASKING THAT THE RESOLUTION BE FROOIVED SETTING THE PUBLIC MEETING FOR THE NOVEMBER 22ND BOARD MEETING. 
          AT THAT TIME, THE APPLICANT SHOULD BE PRESENT AND THIN THEN MEMBERS OF STAFF DO HAVE SOME POINTS TO RAISE WITH YOU IN CONNECTION WITH THIS REQUEST. BUT AT THIS TIME THEY ARE JUST ASKING FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE STAFF TO BE SET. 
          >> OKAY SO WE NEED A MOTION TO SET THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR WHEN, 
          NOVEMBER 22ND? >> YES. 
          >> I'LL MOVE WE SET THAT PUBLIC HEARING FOR NOVEMBER 22ND. 
          IS THAT A TIME CERTAIN? >> YES. 
          >> AT 75 O'CLOCK. >> SECOND. 
          >> MOTION AND SECOND, DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR INDICATE BY SAYING AYE. 
          OPPOSED SAME SIGN, CARRIES UNANIMOUS. 
          CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICERS. OKAY COMMISSIONER AUDITOR, 
          [COUNTY ATTORNEY]
          COUNTY ATTORNEY? >> YES. 
          SO ON SUNDAY EVENING, WE RECEIVED A REQUEST FROM THE STATE IN CONNECTION WITH THE WALMART SETTLEMENT FOR THE OPIOID LITIGATION, TO ENTER INTO THE SETTLEMENT PARTICIPATION FORM IN CONNECTION WITH THAT SETTLEMENT THAT IS REQUIRED TO BE BACK BY NOVEMBER 18TH. DUE TO THE FACT THAT WE WILL NOT HAVE ANOTHER BOARD MEETING PRIOR TO NOVEMBER 18TH, I WOULD JUST ASK IF THE BOARD WOULD APPROVE THE CHAIRMAN'S EXECUTION OF THE SETTLEMENT PARTICIPATION FORM FOR THE WALMART SETTLEMENT. 
          THE NUMBER IS A LITTLE IFFY AS TO HOW MUCH WE MAY BE RECEIVING. 
          THE ESTIMATE AT THIS TIME IS THAT OUR LOCAL FUND WOULD RECEIVE ABOUT $336,000. AND THE REGIONAL FUND ON BEHALF OF CLAY COUNTY WOULD RECEIVE ABOUT $897,000. 
          HOWEVER, YOU KNOW, IT'S SPREAD OUT OVER QUITE A PERIOD OF TIME. 
          >> QUESTIONS, OKAY. TAKE A MOTION. 
          >> I'LL MOVE APPROVAL FOR THE CHAIRMAN TO SIGN THE AGREEMENT. 
          IS THAT WHAT IT WAS FOR THE CHAIRMAN TO SIGN. 
          >> OKAY. >> SECOND. 
          >> MOTION AND SECOND, DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, INDICATE BY SAYING AYE. 
          OPPOSED, SAME SIGN. >> MR. CHAIR I'D ALSO LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT IF THE COUNTY ATTORNEY RECEIVES ONE OF THESE AND IT'S NOT IN A PERIOD OF TIME THAT WE'RE MEETING I'D LIKE TO MOVE THAT THE COUNTY MANAGER COULD SIGN, WE'VE ALL AGREED THAT WE'RE GOING TO PARTICIPATE IN THESE OCCUPIED AGREEMENTS AND OPIOID AGREEMENTS, IDON'T WANT A TINY AMOUNT OF MONEY. 
          IF WE'RE NOT MEETING. IN DECEMBER WHEN WE HAVE ONLY ONE MEETING AND COURTNEY GOT THIS E-MAIL AT 9:00 SUNDAY NIGHT. SO THAT'S MY MOTION. 
          >> SECOND THE MOTION. >> MOTION AND SECOND, DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR INDICATE BY SAYING AYE. OPPOSED SAME SIGN. 
          UNANIMOUS MOTION. >> ONE OTHER THING IN CONNECTION WITH THE OPIOID FUNDS THEY DIDET SEEING SOME FUNDS THAT WILL ACTUALLY BE SENT TO US DIRECTLY STARTING AFTER NOVEMBER 14TH. 
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THE AMOUNTS ARE NOT TOTALLY WHAT WE HAD THOUGHT THEY WOULD BE BEFORE. SOME ARE HIGHER SOME ARE LOWER BUT TROY AND I ARE STILL TRYING TO FIGURE THAT OUT BUT WE WILL LET YOU KNOW ONCE WE RECEIVE SOME FUNDS. 
          [COUNTY MANAGER]
          >> OKAY. ALL RIGHT COUNTY MANAGER. 
          >> CHAIRMAN, COMMISSIONERS JUST A COUPLE OF ITEMS HERE, NOT A LOT OF THINGS, I'VE COVERED EARLIER THROUGHOUT THE MEETING. 
          FIRST ONE IS I'M REQUESTING PERMISSION TO EXECUTE A GRANT APPLICATION FOR THE E-911 STATE GRANT REGION 3 PROJECT. 
          THE TEAM HAS BEEN WORKING ON THIS SPECIFICALLY MEGAN AND THEN DEAN ON THE 911 SIDE. IT IS A REGION 3911 APPLICATION, THERE ARE 15 COUNTIES THAT ARE WITHIN THIS REGION AND INDIVIDUALLY THESE COUNTIES WILL BE APPLYING. 
          THE AGREEMENT IS DUE BY FRIDAY, 11-18. 
          THEY'RE WORKING ON THIS AND FINALIZING IT. 
          THEY HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THIS SINCE OCTOBER 25TH AND THEN THE PROJECT DETAILS WERE SOLIDIFIED HERE ON THE 3D OF NOVEMBER. THE FUNDING WILL CREATE A REGIONAL REPOSITORY OF GIS INFORMATION AND CLEAR BOUNDARIES FOR OUR MAPS AND DISPATCHING SERVICES. 
          THE AMOUNT OF THE GRANT WHICH THERE IS NO MATCH ASSOCIATED STATE FUNDED. REQUESTING PERMISSION TO EXECUTE 
          THAT HERE BY THE DUE DATE. >> DO WE NEED A MOTION ON THAT 
          OR JUST -- >> MOTION, YES YES. 
          >> MOVE APPROVAL. >> SECOND. 
          >> MOTION AND SECOND, DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR INDICATE BY SAYING AYE. 
          OPPOSED SAME SIGN. >> THANK YOU. 
          NEXT ITEM UP IS JUST LOOKING AT WORKSHOPS AND IT WAS KIND OF ALLUDED TO BEFORE BUT I DON'T KNOW IF IT REALLY GOT OUT THERE. 
          SO YOU ALL SHOULD HAVE A COPY OF THIS. 
          IF YOU DON'T I'LL MAKE SURE YOU DO. 
          YOU SHOULD MAKE SURE. WE HAVE BEEN USING THIS SINCE DECEMBER, NO JANUARY OF THE EARLIER YEAR. 
          I WANT TO PERSISTENT OUT WE HAVE A VERY IMPORTANT WORKSHOP COMING UP ON NOVEMBER 28TH AT 10 A.M. IT IS ANNAL IMPACT FEE WORKSHOP. 
          THIS IS ONE OF THE MANY ITEMS WE HAVE HAD FOR 2022 TO EXECUTE AND I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THE PUBLIC KNEW AND JUST TO POINT THAT OUT. AND THE FINAL ITEM THAT I HAVE, SO AS WE MOVE FORWARD, WE JUST HAD OUR ELECTION LAST NIGHT HERE. AND LOOKING FOR THE NOVEMBER 22ND BCC. I JUST WOULD REQUEST CONCURRENCE, BECAUSE CHAIRMAN BOLLA WILL NOT BE PRESENT FOR THAT MEETING, THAT THE VICE CHAIR AND COMMISSIONER CONDON WOULD ACT AS THE CHAIRMAN, WOULD BE ACTING FOR THAT BOARD. 
          AND I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THE BOARD WAS IN DISAGREEMENT WITH THAT AND TO MOVE FORWARD THAT OU WOULD BE RUNNING THAT. 
          >> I HAVE NO PROBLEM. IN FACT WOULD I HOW WE HAVE LAND IT IN THE PAST SO WE WOULD NOT BE BREAKING ANY TRADITION OR 
          STANDING RULES. >> OKAY, PERFECT. 
          GREAT. PENDING THAT AGAIN, VETERANS DAY COMING UP, AND THAT REALLY, YOU KNOW, FOR IDENTIFICATION THAT WE DISAPPOINTED WE CAN'T HAVEHAD T. IT WAS A SECOND ANNUAL WITH CROPPER LANDING. HE COULDN'T MAKE IT UNTIL 5. 
          I HAVE BEEN TEXTING HIM. HE AND THE BASE COMMANDER WERE TRYING TO MAKE IT HAPPEN BUT AGAIN WE'LL DO THIS AGAIN, THE FOLLOWING YEAR. AND THEN JUST THE GREEN LIGHTING, I'VE GOTTEN LOTS OF GREAT RESPONSES LOTS ON SOCIAL MEDIA NOT ONLY THIS THIS AREA, THE MUNICIPALITIES EVER PARTICIPATING ALSO IN LIGHTING UP. 
          AND THEN THE HISTORIC TRIEJ TRIANGLEALSO. 
          THIS WAS AN EFFORT THROUGH NACO AND WE HAVE BEEN IN COMMUNICATION WITH THEM SO MAYBE WE'LL SEE OUR BUILDINGS IN THIS ARTICLE NATIONWIDE. IN CELEBRATING OUR VETERANS HERE IN CLAY COUNTY. PENDING ANY QUESTIONS, THAT'S 
          ALL I HAVE. >> OKAY. 
          [19.  Composition of the Middleburg/Clay Hill Citizen Advisory Committee]
THAT BRINGS US TO LETTERS FOR ACTION. 
          COMPOSITION OF THE MIDDLEBERG CLAY HILL CITIZENS ADVISORY COMMITTEE, APPOINTMENT OF 6 TO 11 MEMBERS ARE REQUIRED BY THE BOARD. APPLICATIONS ARE RECEIVED THERE THE FOLLOWING INDIVIDUALS. YOU CAN READ THOSE. 
          WHO WANTS TO TAKE THE LEAD? >> IT IS MY CITIZEN ADVISORY COMMITTEE. WE HAD PUT OUT THE CALL AT SEVERAL PUBLIC MEETINGS. COUNTY MANAGER AND SHERISE AND I HAD DONE A COUPLE OF PUBLIC MEETINGS BOTH IN CLAY HILL AND AT THE MIDDLEBURG PUBLIC ADVISORY MEETING. 
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WE HAVE SEEN HOW THEY HAVE BEEN 77 AND WANT TO SEE THE SAME THING. THERE HAS BEEN SOME CITIZENS WHO HAVE WANTED TO PARTICIPATE IN SOME REZONING APPLICATIONS AND WE JUST BELIEVE THIS CAN BE MORE EFFECTIVE THAN WHAT HAS HAPPENED, THUS FAR. THE CLAY HILL COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION BOARD HAS BEEN KIND OF FUNCTIONING IN THIS WAY, SO THERE ARE A COUPLE OF MEMBERS THAT HAVE APPLIED TO BE ON THIS. 
          AND SO AT ANY RATE, I KNOW ALL OF THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE APPLIED TO BE ON THIS. I THINK THEY'RE GREAT CANDIDATES. THEY'RE EXCITED TO GET GOING. 
          AND SO I WOULD APPRECIATE SUPPORT OF THE CREATION OF THIS. 
          >> OKAY, ANY QUESTIONS? TAKE A MOTION. 
          >> I'LL MOVE APPROVAL. >> SECOND. 
          >> MOTION AND SECOND, DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, INDICATE BY SAYING AYE. 
          OPPOSED SAME SIGN. CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY. 
          NUMBER 20? GO. 
          >> MR. CHAIR, AS FAR AS CITIZEN ADVISORY FOR GREEN COVE, COURTNEY AND WE ALREADY -- SORRY SEE THE RED LIGHT. 
          PERIPHERAL VISION. WE ALREADY ADVERTISED FOR THIS 
          OR -- >> YES. 
          >> I KNOW THERE IS SOMEONE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT IS INTEREST THEY HAD THAT SO ANYONE ELSE IN THE PUBLIC, WE ARE LOOKING TO HAVE ONE FOWRMD FOR GREEN COVE SPRINGS. 
          >> AND IT'S NOT, I MEAN IT'S THE GREEN COVE DISTRICT BUT IT IS NOT FOR THE CITY OF GREEN COVE SPRINGS. 
          [20.  Discussion of Appointment to the North Florida TPO Citizen Advisory Committee]
          IT IS THE UNINCORPORATED AREA. >> ITEM 20 DISCUSSION OF APPOINTMENT FOR THE NORTH FLORIDA TPO CITIZEN ADVISORY COMMITTEE. APPLICATIONS RECEIVED FROM DOUG 
          CONKEY FOR CONSIDERATION. >> WHO? I THINK HE OUGHT TO PRESENT HIS CREDENTIALS. 
          >> DOUG WAS CHAIRMAN OF THE TPO WHEN I FIRST GOT HERE SO HE'S WELL QUALIFIED. WHETHER OR NOT YOU'LL LIKE THE GUY OR NOT THAT'S UP TO YOU. BUT HE'S A. 
          >>  GOOD FLIER TOO. I'LL TAKE A DISCUSSION OR 
          MOTION. >> I'D LIKE TO MOVE APPROVAL. 
          >> SECOND. >> I WAS GOING TO SAY IT'S A POSITION WE'VE BEEN HAVING A HARD TIME FINDING SOMEBODY TO STICK INTO IT AND HERE WE HAVE GOT SOMEBODY WHO'S GOT A GREAT DEAL OF EXPERIENCE AND BE ABLE TO BRING THAT TO THE BOARD. 
          HE'S LOOKING FOR SOMETHING TO DO. 
          I MEAN -- >> I THINK IT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, CHAIRMAN BOLLA LAST BEEN OUR FERN ON THE TPO AND WE'RE LOSING A LOT OF EXPERIENCE THERE AND SO APPRECIATE THAT OBVIOUSLY SOMEBODY WILL FILL THAT ROLE FROM THE COMMISSION. BUT DOUG CAN KIND OF HELP COACH HIM UP AND I THINK IT MAKES SENSE. 
          >> THERE YOU GO. I'M GOING TO SUPPORT HIM, EVEN THOUGH HE DID NEGOTIATE AWAY CESWICK OAKS. 
          I'LL STAY A MOTION. >> I MADE THE MOTION. 
          >> MOTION AND SECOND. CAWFERS INDICATE BY SAYING AYE, OPPOSED SAME SIGN, CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY. 
          DO A GREAT JOB. OKAY PUBLIC COMMENT, I GOT ONE CARD. CASSANOF. 
          >> THERE WAS A GENTLEMAN HERE, HE LEFT ABOUT 15 MINUTES AGO. 
          >> I WONDERED IF HE WAS HERE. HE SEEMED TO WALK UP WHEN WE DID THE VACATION OF THE RIGHT-OF-WAY AND THEN HE LEFT RIGHT AFTER 
          [COMMISSIONERS' COMMENTS]
THAT. MAYBE THAT WAS WHAT -- 
          >> COULD BE. BRINGS US TO COMMISSIONER COMMENTS. COMMISSIONER CELLA. 
          >> THANK YOU CHAIR. IN TERMS OF OUR FRIEND NICOLE, SHE IS NOW A HURRICANE, 75 MILE-AN-HOUR WINDS. 
          AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE MAP THAT THE NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER PUTS OUT, THE WIND FIELD FOR THAT STORM GOES FROM JUST NORTH OF KEY WEST AND THE KEYS TO JUST SOUTH OF MIL MYRTLE BEACH, THATS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GET OURSELVES THROUGH, HOPEFULLY MORE WIND THAN RAIN, HOPEFULLY EVERYONE HAS DONE PREPARATION. 
          COLLEGE DRIVE INITIATIVE, WE WENT TO THE POND, WHICH WE TURNED INTO A PARK OR AT LEAST THE START OF A PARK ON THE NOVEMBER 4TH, AND PLANTED, THANKS TO FOLKS FROM PUBLIC WORKS AND THANKS TO OUR FOLKS IN THE GRANT DEPARTMENT FROM GETTING ALL THE PROPER PAPERWORK FILLED OUT BECAUSE LOWE'S DONATED 6,000 OR ACTUALLY OVER 6,000 IN PLANT ARE MATERIALS, PLANTERS BENCHES AND TOPSOIL. WE'LL BE WORKING WITH THEM ON A 
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$100,000 GRANT, AND IF WE HAPPEN TO DO THAT, THAT WILL PUT US IN THE RUNNING FOR THE MILLION DOLLAR GRANT. 
          KEEP FINGERS CROSSED. CHAIRMAN BOLLA, IT'S SIX YEARS, THE LONGEST OF ALL THE PEOPLE ON THE BOARD LIVED TO TELL ABOUT IT THAT I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH YOU. SO THAT'S GOOD. 
          YOU'VE HAD A LONG HISTORY OF PUBLIC SERVICE. 
          YOU STARTED WITH THE SCHOOL BOARD. 
          THEN YOU HAD TO GO AWAY FOR 74 YEARS TO FORGET WHAT IT WAS LIKE TO HAVE TO GO THROUGH AN ELECTION THEN YOU CAME BACK AND RAN TWICE MORE TO SERVE ON THE BOARD. 
          WE DIDN'T ALWAYS SEE EYE TO EYE, BUT WE ALWAYS HAD A COLLEGIAL RELATIONSHIP AND WE COULD ALWAYS LAUGH AS VERY SIMILAR THINGS WHICH IS SORT OF SCARY BUT BESIDES GETTING CONFUSED FOR YOU AND YOU FOR ME WHERE NOBODY COULD FIGURE OUT CELLA, BOLLA, TWO DIFFERENT NAMES, WE'LL MISS YOU ON THE PANEL, I TAKE OVER AS THE SENIOR GUY. I WON'T SAY THE OLDEST GUY BECAUSE -- 
          >> IT HAS BEEN FUN IN TERMS OF WORKING WITH YOU AND BEST OF 
          LUCK IN THE FUTURE. >> THANK YOU. 
          YEAH, I HAVE A FEW THINGS. TONIGHT IT WAS BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION ABOUT A DEMO PERMIT TO MOVE A MOBILE HOME. 
          AND I'VE RUN INTO THIS PROBLEM EARLIER THIS MONTH. 
          TWICE IN ONE MONTH. I'M NOT SURE DEMO PERMIT IS BOTH THE PROFIT TERM OR APPROPRIATE PROCESS. 
          WE'RE THOUGHT DEMOING THE MOANL HOME, WE'RE MOVING IT. 
          SO I'M NOT SURE THE PERMITTING PROCESS IS APPROPRIATE NOR THE FEES THAT ARE REQUIRED. SO I THINK WE NEED TO -- WE HAD A DISGRUNTLED CONSTITUENT HERE TONIGHT. 
          I THINK WE OUGHT TO LOOK AT THAT. 
          HATSD OFF TO THE COMMUNICATIONS DEPARTMENT. 
          WE HAD WITH THE VETERANS COUNCIL OF CLAY COUNTY FLORIDA, VCCCF, THEY HAD ALREADY ARRANGED TO PAY SOMEBODY $75 TO MOVE FIVE WORDS. 
          I THINK I SAID, I THINK WE I KNW SOMEBODY THAT CAN DO THAT. 
          GREAT JOB FOR THEM. NUMBER 3. 
          NACO, STARTED THIS INITIATIVE OF LIGHTING PUBLIC OR GOVERNMENTAL BUILDINGS GREEN FOR VETERANS WEEK. 
          PROBABLY IN SEPTEMBER OR OCTOBER. 
          I THINK I GAVE IT TO GENE AND I WANT TO HATS OFF TO HIM FOR GETTING -- IT'S REALLY GOT A LOT OF TRACTION IN THE PRESS AND ESPECIALLY WITH THE VETERANS IN CLAY COUNTY. 
          IT'S A SIMPLE THING AND SHOWS A COMMITMENT AND APPRECIATION FOR WHAT THEY'VE DONE. GATEWAY TO CLAY, WE HAD A WALK AND IT'S BEEN PROFILED IN CLAY TODAY. 
          REALLY GOOD DATA WAS PUT OUT REALLY GOOD DATA WAS COLLECTED. 
          ONCE AGAIN, THIS IS A PROBLEM THAT'S EXISTED, TAKEN 40 YEARS TO DEGRADE WELLS ROAD AND IT'S GOING TO TAKE A WHILE TO FIX EVERYTHING. BUT WE'RE MAKING PROGRESS. 
          IF YOU HAVEN'T READ THE ARTICLE YET, THE PRIME IS DONE LIKE 45%. 
          VIOLENT CRIME IS DOWN 45% OVER THE LAST YEAR SINCE WE STARTED THIS PROJECT. AND IT'S A -- IT'S LIKE SHERIFF COOK SAID A BROKEN WINDOW EFFECT. 
          WE'VE INC CLEANED UP THE MEDIANA BIT, EDGING, NEW BUSINESSES ARE MOVING IN, OLD BUSINESSES ARE CONNECTING THEIR CAMERAS TO THEIR REALTIME CRIME CENTER. SO IT'S A COMMUNICATIVE SHERIFF COOK PUT I GUESS VIDEO TRAILERS IN BEING PING LOTS AT HIGH CRIME TIMES, AND IT'S QUEL QUELLED THE CRIME QUITE A BIT. 
          SO HATS OFF TO EVERYBODY WORKING ON THAT PROJECT. 
          THE RESIDENTS CERTAINLY APPRECIATE IT. 
          I WANT TO MAKE YOU AWARE OUR ASSISTANT TERESA CAPOT, HER FATHER IS VERY ILL, THEY'RE TENDING TO HIM AND SHE'S THERE BY HIS SIDE FOR AS LONG AS IT TAKES. 
          KEEP HER IN YOUR PRAYERS. COMMISSIONER BOLLA, IT'S BEEN -- WE GO BACK CHURCH DAYS, PARISHIONER DAYS, WE GO BACK TO SCHOOL BOARD, I WAS ON SCHOOL BOARD BUT NONETHELESS FOLLOW YOU ON THE SCHOOL BOARD, I FOLLOW YOU ON YOUR BLOGS ON YOUR TRIP 
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TO THE MEDITERRANEAN. I DRIVE AN AIRCRAFT CARRIER AND THOSE LITTLE SAIL BOATS SCARE THE LIVING DAYLIGHTS OUT OF ME. 
          THEY ARE SMALL, A LOT OF THEM ARE FIBERGLASS DON'T SHOW UP OFTEN RADAR. AND I OFTEN WONDERED AFTER I GOT DONE ON THE BRIDGE HOW MUCH WHITE PAINT WAS ON THE BOW WHEN I LEFT THE BRIDGE. BUT ANYWAY, INTERESTING GUY, SERVED EIGHT YEARS, FOUR YEARS OF SCHOOL BOARD, EIGHT YEARS ON COUNTY COMMISSION. AND I WANT TO COMPLIMENT YOU IN THE LAST YEAR, YOUR ORGANIZATION STRUCTURE, I THINK YOU'RE THE AUTHOR OF THIS LIMB CHART. WELL I GUESS THE COUNTY MANAGER IS THE AUTHOR, BUT HE TOOK YOUR CREDIT. 
          WITH ORGANIZATION AND EFFORT WE GOT A LOT OF THINGS DONE LAST 
          YEAR SO MY COMPLIMENTS TO YOU. >> THANK YOU. 
          >> OKAY, LAST MEETING I REQUESTED WE MAYBE DO A PROCLAMATION OR WHATEVER WE NEED TO DO TO DESIGNATE COUNTY ROTE 230 AS DR. GIANNIS ROADWAY I DON'T WANT THAT TO DIE. 
          I KNOW Y'ALL ARE WORKING ON THIS BUT I WANT TO KEEP IT AT THE FOREFRONT AND I APPRECIATE THAT WORK. 
          I GOT AN E-MAIL ON MONDAY, AFTERNOON, TRA IS WE DON'T ALWAYS GET GOOD KUDOS OUT FOR OUR EMPLOYEES. 
          I GOT AN E-MAIL FROM A CITIZEN, LAST WEEK WHILE WORKING IN HIS YARD BY THE SIDE OF HIS YARD HE NOTICED MULTIPLE PEOPLE TURNING AROUND AND SEEMED LIKE THEY WERE LOST. 
          AND SO HE LOOKED UP AND TRIED TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WAS GOING ON AND REALIZED A ROAD SIGN WAS MISSING. 
          AND THAT'S WHY PEOPLE WERE TURNING AROUND. 
          THEY WERE GETTING LOST AND NOT KNOWING WHERE TO GO SO HE CALLED THE COUNTY OFFICE TO REPORT THE MISSING SIGNS OFTEN TUESDAY NOVEMBER 1ST. HE FINALLY GOT TO IN WILLIAM GOLD IN THE CLAY COUNTY ROAD DEPARTMENT AND HAD A GREAT CONVERSATION WITH HIM. AND HE ADVISED THAT HE WOULD WORK ON GETTING THEM REPLACED BUT IT MIGHT TAKE A LITTLE WHILE BECAUSE OF STAFF SHORTAGES. WELL TRUE TO WHAT WE KNOW ABOUT MR. GOLD THAT WAS NOT THE CASE. BY SATURDAY AN EMPLOYEE WAS OUT REPLACING THOSE SIGNS. HE WANTED TO COMPLIMENT MR. GOLD SO I WANTED TO PASS ALONG THOSE KUDOS PUBLICLY THAT WE APPRECIATE THE SPOIF RESPONSIVEO OUR CITIZENS AND OBVIOUSLY WHEN WE CAN WE WANT TO BE RESPONSIVE AND WE KNOW THAT OUR PUBLIC WORKS AND OUR ROAD DEPARTMENT ARE VERY RESPONSIVE SO WE APPRECIATE ALL YOU DO. I ALSO WANTED TO COMPLIMENT I SAW CHIEF MOCK AND CHIEF PLOATS LEAVE FOR THE EVENING. 
          THE FIRE RESCUE TEAM HAS JUST BEEN PHENOMENAL WITH THIS SITUATION, IN COMMISSIONER BURKE'S DISTRICT. 
          I JUST APPRECIATE CHIEF MOCK CALLED ME AT 10:00 FRIDAY NIGHT, I'M GUESSING HE CALLED THE REST OF YOU AT THAT TIME. 
          I APPRECIATE THE UPDATE AND THE HARD WORK THAT OUR MEN AND WOMEN IN THE FIRE RESCUE DEPARTMENT HAVE PUT IN FOR THAT'S SCARY AND REALLY SCARY AND I KNOW IT'S SCARY FOR THE RESIDENTS THAT CAME AND TALK TO US. BUT I APPRECIATE THE WORK THAT THEY DID. AND COMMISSIONER BOLLA YOU WILL BE MISSED BUT I ALSO WANT TO COMPLIMENT COMMISSIONER ELECT, COMPAIR, THE FIRST TIME IN HISTORY THAT THE CLAY COUNTY BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS WILL BE A MAJORITY OF WOMEN AND SOME DIVERSITY ON THE COMMISSION. AND SO IF YOU DON'T KNOW COMMISSIONER ELECT COMEPAIR SHE IS A DELIGHT, SHE'S VERY BRIGHT, SHE'S AN ATTORNEY BY HER DAY JOB AND I THINK THAT SHE IS GOING TO ADD SOME FIRE AND SPUNK TO THE COMMISSION BUT I LOOK FORWARD TO SERVING WITH HER. WE WILL CERTAINLY MISS YOU IN YOUR SEAT, THE CITIZENS OF DISTRICT 2 AND THE CITIZENS OF CLAY COUNTY HAVE BEEN WELL SERVED BY YOU. 
          >> THANK YOU, THANK YOU. >> ALL RIGHT, SO I HAVE I WANT TO APPRECIATE THEN THE EMPLOYEES WHO WORKED LAST SUNDAY TO CHANGE THE SPEED LIMIT SIGNS ON 209. I THINK IT'S -- IT'S JUST KIND OF HUMOROUS TO ME THAT PEOPLE COMPLAIN ABOUT THE DANGERS, NOW THE SPEED LIMIT IS CHANGED AND NOW THEY'RE COMPLAINING ABOUT THAT. AND THEN THEY SAY THAT NOBODY'S EVEN GOING TO WATCH. WELL I'VE BEEN GOING SLOWER AND I THEN SAW DEPUTIES STOPPING PEOPLE. 
          SO GUESS WHAT? THEY'RE GOING TO STOP YOU IF YOU 
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SPEED. SO YOU CAN IGNORE IT BUT MAKE SURE YOU DON'T. BECAUSE IT REALLY HAS BEEN A GOOD THING. I REALLY THINK THAT ESPECIALLY WE HAVE THAT NEW INTEREST IN THE CROSS CREEK, MY DAUGHTER MY 16-YEAR-OLD DAUGHTER SAID PEOPLE WERE NOT SLAMMING ON BRAKES NOW, TO STOP. I THINK IT'S REALLY GOING TO HELP, I REALLY DO. THANK YOU FOR THE EMPLOYEES WORKING ON SUNDAY FOR THAT. HENLEY ROAD, I HAVE A PICTURE I'M GOING TO BE GETTING TO YOU. HENLEY AND 218, THAT HORSE FARM. 
          THEY ARE GOING INTO THE MIDDLE LANE TO KEEP PEOPLE FROM RUNNING INTO THE BACK OF THEM. PEOPLE GOING IN ROYAL POINT OR GETTING ANGRY WITH THEM AND YELLING AT THEM AND DOING EVERYTHING UNDER THE SUN TO LET THEM KNOW THEY'RE NOT HAPPY WITH THEM GETTING IN THEIR LANE. I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE CAN DO THERE BUT I DO WANT TO FIND OUT ABOUT THAT. 
          THAT'S GOING TO BE A MAJOR ISSUE THE MORE TRAFFIC WE HAVE GOING THERE. LET'S SAY FOOD TRUCK FRIDAY I'M ASSUMING IS CANCELLED. DO WE KNOW THAT FOR SURE, THEY'RE STILL DOING IT AS FAR AS YOU KNOW? 
          >> I KNOW THEY HAD A POSTING ON FACEBOOK EARLIER TODAY, THEY ARE PLANNING ON HAVING IT UNLESS IT GETS TO THE POINT WHERE THERE'S TOO MUCH DAMAGE IN THE STORM AND IT PREVENTS THEM BUT THEY STILL 
          HAD IT LISTED. >> AND THEN CHAIRMAN I'M GLAD I DIDN'T, WE DIDN'T HAVE TO DO THIS EARLIER BECAUSE I'M A CRY 
          BABY. >> ME TOO. 
          >> I CAN'T LEGISLATIVE ANALYST WHEN A MAN TEARS UP BUT YOU GOT ME THERE. BUT I THINK I'VE FLOWN YOU DEFINITELY THE LEAST OF ANYONE HERE AND I DO REMEMBER BACK WHEN I -- STOP DON'T EVEN LOOK AT ME -- BECAME COMMISSIONER AND TOOK THE SEAT. EVERYBODY HEARS ABOUT ALL THE DIFFERENT COMMISSIONERS AND WHAT THEY'RE LIKE AND BETTER NOT MESS WITH MR. BOLLA AND YOU KNOW HE'S GOT ISSUES AND WHATEVER, YOU KNOW! 
          >> WELL, THAT'S THE TRUTH. >> I HAVE TO SAY OPINION AND I LEARNED FAST THAT YOU'RE A BIG TEDDY BEAR AND I WAS ALWAYS ABLE TO KIND OF LOOK OVER AT YOU WHAT YOUR REACTION WAS AS A NEW COMMISSIONER I WAS READY TO GET DONE AND SET THAT PLACE ON FIRE HERE AND, YOU KNOW, BUT I REALLY APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'VE TAUGHT ME AND YOU HAVE TAUGHT ME. 
          I HAVE TO LET YOU KNOW. SO AND I DEFINITELY WILL MISS YOU AND LOOKING FORWARD TO THE FUTURE AS WELL. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE. >> WELL, I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE AT THE SUPERVISOR OF ELECTIONS OFFICE YESTERDAY, AND DURING THE ELECTION UNTIL 2:00 IN THE MORNING TRYING TO BALANCE THE BOOKS BUT WE GOT ER DONE. I WAS JUST REALLY IMPRESSED WITH THE LEVEL OF CHARACTER AND DETAIL THAT GOES ON AT THAT OFFICE. THOSE GUYS REALLY HAVE IT TOGETHER AND THEY HAVE MY 100% SUPPORT AND IT WAS MOST IMPRESSIVE. IF YOU EVER GET A CHANCE TO PARTICIPATE IN THAT I SUGGEST YOU DO IT. 
          IT'S REALLY, REALLY GIVES YOU A GOOD FEEL ABOUT DEMOCRACY, I'LL TELL YOU, ESPECIALLY HERE IN CLAY COUNTY. 
          I WANT TO THANK THE VOTERS OF DISTRICT 2 FOR TRUSTING ME. 
          I'VE ENJOYED MY TIME HERE, IT'S BEEN A LOT OF WORK BUT IT'S BEEN WORTHWHILE. WHEN I STARTED CLAY COUNTY WAS A ROOURLT BEDROOM COMMUNITY OF JACKSONVILLE, THOUSAND THEY'RE A SUBURBAN BEDROOM COMMUNITY OF JACKSONVILLE. 
          WE HAVE PLAYED, REAL PROGRESS BUT WE HAVE CHANGED. 
          I'D LIKE TO PASS ON A BIG ATA BOY TO THE COUNTY MANAGER AND THE COUNTY ATTORNEY AND ESPECIALLY TO YOU'RE STAFF. 
          I THINK UNDER OUR NEW COUNTY MANAGER I'VE SEEN SOME REAL CHANGES IN OUR DEPARTMENTS. PEOPLE ARE NOW TALKING TO US ONE ON ONE WITH ORIGINAL IDEAS, THEY'RE NOT AFRAID TO SAY WHAT'S ON THEIR MINDS AND THAT'S A REAL PLUS AND A REAL TRESH THING TO SEE HAPPEN. AND I HAVE THE COUNTY MANAGER NOR THAT. I'D ESPECIALLY LIKE TO GIVE AN ATTA ENJOY TO TERESA CAPO WHO HAS REALLY KEPT ME STRAIGHT AND TO ALISA WHO MAKES ME SOUND BETTER. 
          >> AND LOOK BETTER. >> AND LOOK BETTER. 
          AND LASTLY TO A GREAT BOARD TO WORK WITH. 
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I MEAN WE'VE REALLY HAD A GREAT SCHEEJIALCOLLEGIAL ATMOSPHERE FN THE BUSINESS AT HAND AND MAKING OUR CONSTITUENTS LIVES A LITTLE BIT BETTER. IT'S REALLY NOT ABOUT US. 
          YOU WATCH SOME OF THE OTHER BOARDS THERE IS A LOT OF SQUABBLING. MAYBE WHEN I STARTED WE HAD SOME OF THAT NOT HERE BUT PREVIOUS BOARD. 
          LAST TIME I WENT SAILING I WROTE AN OP ED. 
          I'LL ISSUE THAT SAME CHALLENGE I DID THEN. 
          I LOOK FORWARD TO COMING BACK IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS AND SEEING WHAT YOU GUYS HAVE DONE WITH IT. 
          AND LASTLY, I CAN'T GET THIS OUT. 
          LIKE A BOY SCOUT I LEFT IT BETTER THAN WHETHER I FOUND IT. 
          AND THANKS FOR THE MEMORIES. WE'RE ADJOURNED.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.