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          >> WELCOME EVERYONE TO THE MEETING NOVEMBER 1ST MEETING OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION. 
          WE ARE BEFORE WE GET INTO OUR AGENDA TONIGHT I WOULD ASK IF EVERYBODY COULD PLEASE STAND AND RECITE THE PLEDGE WITH US. 
          >> PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. 
          >> BEFORE WE GET STARTED, I KIND OF MENTIONED THIS BUT IF ANYBODY HERE AND DOES WANT TO SPEAK ON AN ITEM THERE ARE CARDS LIKE THIS IN THE VESTIBULE. IF CAN YOU FILL IT OUT AN PASS IT UP HE WILL WE WILL MAKE SUNSHINE EVERYBODY WHO WANTS TO SPEAK GETS AN OPPORTUNITIES. I WILL MAKE SOME DESTRUCTION'S. 
            STARTING OVER HERE ON MY RIGHT, IS COMMISSIONER PETE DAVIS, BO NORTON, THE VICE CHAIR MARY BRIDGEMAN AND WE HAVE WITH US IN THE FRONT, WE HAVE DOTY SELIG WHO IS OUR CHIEF PLANNER, SENIOR PLANNER. I'M SORRY, BEHIND HER IS MIKE BROWN, WHO IS OUR CHIEF ZONING PLANNER. 
          THEN HE WHO IS HERE, ED LEHMAN OUR DIRECTOR OF THE PLANNING SITTING OVER IN THE CORNER CHRISTINE BLANCHETT FROM, BLANCHARD SORRY TO TAKE THE MINUTES FOR TONIGHT'S. 
          WE ALSO EVER COURTNEY GRIMM WHO IS OUR COUNTY ATTORNEY AND I THINK HIDING IN THE BACK IS BETH CARSON WHO IS ONE OF OUR PLANNERS AS WELL AND THE ASSISTANT ATTORNEY JAMIE. 
          DID I MISS ANYBODY? THANK YOU AS ALWAYS TO THE CLAY COUNTY DEPUTIES FOR BEING HERE, KEEP ORDER FOR US IF WE NEED IT. 
          LET'S HAVE SHARICE COME. IN THIS IS ARIZONA VS.RY BOARD TO CLAIP COUNTY BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS, THE DECISION WE MAKE WILL BE RECOMMEDATION AT THEY ARE NOVEMBER 28 MEETING. 
          THEY DO MEET AT 4:00 IN THE AFTERNOON, ALTHOUGH THEY TAKE ALL THEIR ZONING ITEMS STARTING AT 5 P.M. OR LATER. 
          IF YOU DO GET A CELL PHONE CALL, PLEASE IF YOU WOULD STEP OUTSIDE TO TAKE IT. WE APPRECIATE IT IF YOU PUT THEM ON QUIET OR VIBRATE. AND HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE NEVER BEEN TO ONE OF THESE MEETINGS? THE ORDER WE GO THROUGH THINGS SO IT'S NOT A BIG CHIEF. I SEE CHIEF KNOX NOT OVER THERE, OUR FIRE CHIEF. THE FIRST THING IS THE STAFF REPORT WILL GO OVER THE ITEM AND PRESENT THEIR RECOMMENDATION TO US. WE MAY ASK CLARIFYING QUESTIONS. 
          WE WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND WE WILL ASK THE APPLICANT TO SPEAK. WE WILL ASK THE CITIZEN ADVISORY COMMITTEE IF THEY ARE PRESENT TO SPEAK. 
          WE WILL HEAR ANY PUBLIC COMMENT. WE WILL CLOSE THAT HEARING AND THEN THIS BOARD WILL DISCUSS THE ITEM AND MAKE A RECOMMENDATION AT THAT POINT. SO, WITH THAT, WE CAN GET RIGHT IN OUR AGENDA FOR TONIGHT. FIRST ITEM IS APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES BUT WE HAVE NO MINUTES TO APPROVE DUE TO THEY'RE STILL UNDER REVIEW SO WE WILL HAVE MINUTES TO APPROVE NEXT MONTH. 
          THE FIRST PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD THAT IS ON THE AGENDA IS A GENERAL COMMENT PERIOD THAT DOES NOT APPLY TO ANY ITEM ON THE 
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GENTLEMAN A BUT IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING THAT YOU THINK IS PERTINENT TO THIS BOARD AND WISH TO ADDRESS THE BOARD ON IT YOU ARE WELCOME TO DO SO. IF NOT, I'M GOING TO OPEN THE HEARING AND I DON'T HAVE ANY CARD AND DON'T SEE ANY SO WE 
          [1.  First Public Hearing to consider CPA-2022-13 (District 4, Comm. Condon) (D. Selig)]
WILL LUNCH INTO OUR PUBLIC HEARINGS FOR TONIGHT. 
          FIRST ONE A PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER CPA 2022-13. 
          IT'S AN APPLICATION A SMALL SCALE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT TO THE 2040 FUTURE LAND USE MAP THAT WOULD CHANGE THE FUTURE LAND USE ON SINGLE PARCEL TO RURAL RESIDENTIAL TO BRANDON FIELD SUBURBS. MR. SELIG YOU HAVE THIS? I'LL MAKE SURE THEY GET THE CHANCE. 
          >> DID YOU WANT TO LOOK FOR THAT? 
          >> I JUST GOT A CARD FROM WARREN CHESTER. 
          DO YOU KNOW WHICH ITEM YOU WANTED TO SPEAK ON? WE HAVE NO AGENDAS OUT THERE. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU GET A CHANCE TO SPEAK. WAS IT THE ONE ON LIVE OAK LANE OR THE ONE ON U.S. 17? [INAUDIBLE] 
          >> THAT'S ALL I NEED. THANK YOU. 
          OKAY, MISS CELLA WANT TO GO HEAD AHEAD? 
          >> THIS ITEM WILL BE HEARD BY THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS ON NOVEMBER 22ND. THE APPLICANTS ARE MR. AND MRS. PLEASANT. THE PROPERTY IS ON THE EAST SIDE OF LIVE OAK LANE NORTH OF ROBERT KING ROAD IN DOCTORS LAKE RIDGEWOOD AREA COMMISSIONER CONDON'S DRINK 4 SINGLE PARCEL OVER 23 AND A HALF ACRES AND IT WOULD CHANGE THE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION FROM CURRENT DESIGNATION OF RURAL RESIDENTIAL TO BRANDON FIELDS RURAL SUBURBS. THE PRO OUTLINED IN YELLOW IN THE AREA THERE AND IT'S HATCHED ON THE PLAT MAP ON THE LEFT. AND ON THE LEFT SIDE PHOTO, WE HAVE THE PROPOSED LAND USE CHANGE, YOU CAN SEE THE SURROUNDING RESIDENTIAL ALL IN YELLOW AND THEN GREEN IS GENERALINGS STATE FOREST AND ON THE RIGHT IS THE WETLANDS. 
          IT'S ACTUALLY A FLOOD ZONE MAP. YOU CAN SEE A GREAT DEAL OF THE PARCEL IS IMPACTED BY FLOOD ZONE SO THERE'S UP LAND AND THE VERY NORTH END AND THE VERY SOUTH END. 
          STAFF HAS GONE THROUGH THE CRITERIA WHICH ARE IN YOUR STAFF REPORT IN MORE DETAIL BUT FOUND IT TO BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF 2022-13. 
          THE REASON FOR IT YOU NOTICE ON YOUR AGENDA THERE IS A THIRD ITEM LISTED I THINK WHICH HAS BEEN WITHDRAWN. 
          THE APPLICANT CAME TO STAFF INTERESTED IN DEVELOPMENT OF PROPERTY TO PUT UP A COMMUNICATION TOWER AND SO, WE LOOKED AT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DESIGNATION IN THE ZONING AND THE ZONING IT WAS A MISLEADING IN THAT IT'S LISTED AS A USE, AS A CONDITIONAL USE IN ONE PORTION OF THE CODE BUT NOT IN ANOTHER. 
          SO, THE APPLICANT DOESN'T NEED IT. 
          THE USE IS ALLOWED AS CONDITIONAL USE SO WE RECOMMENDED THEY WITHDRAW THAT APPLICATION. 
          SO JUST TO LET YOU KNOW REASONING BEHIND IT. 
          HOWEVER, THE FUTURE LAND USE CHANGE IS NEEDED. 
          IT'S NOT A BRANDON FIELD FUTURE LAND USE THEREFORE TO DEVELOP THE PROPERTY YOUR FUTURE LAND USE YOUR ZONING YOUR INTENDED USE HAVE TO BE CAPABLE WITH EACH OTHER SO THEY NEED TO HAVE A FUTURE LAND USE THAT IS A BRANNON FIELD DESIGNATION. 
          >> ANY QUESTIONS? >> I JUST HAVE A QUICK QUESTION. 
          >> GOOD. DOTY THANK YOU FOR THAT PRESENTATION. I'M CURIOUS IF THEY'RE GOING TO PUT A COMMUNICATION TOWER UP WHAT ARE THE MINIMUM DISTANCES YOU HAVE TO MAINTAIN FROM A CON TOWER TO A RESIDENCE OR A PLACE 
          OF BUSINESS? >> IN BRANNON FIELD THE SEPARATION DISTANCE IS DIFFERENT THAN IT IS OUTSIDE OF BRANNON 
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FIELD. THEY'RE ACTUALLY ELIMINATED. 
          I'M REALLY NOT ENTIRELY SURE WHY, BUT I GUESS WHY. 
          SO YOU HAVE A DISTANCE OF I WANT TO SAY IT'S A HUNDRED FEET FROM THE ROAD WHERE IT'S 50 FIGHT OUTSIDE OF BRANNON FIELD. 
          AND TYPICALLY, THERE'S A 200 FOOT DISTANCE RESIDENTIAL OUTSIDE BRANNON FIELD BUT INSIDE BRANNON FIELD THAT WAS CHANGED. 
          ACTUALLY, LET ME PULL UP THE CODE REAL QUICK HERE. 
          IT'S IN YOUR LISTING. >> THE SECOND QUESTION I HAD WHILE YOU'RE LOOKING SINCE YOU PAY COME ACROSS IT, IS THE HEIGHT. SO THE DISTANCE FROM ADJACENT STRUCTURES AND THE HEIGHT OF THE TOWER ITSELF. 
          THOSE ARE MY TWO QUESTIONS. >> OKAY. 
          >> THANK YOU. >> I APOLOGIZE. 
          I THOUGHT I HAD THAT ATTACHED TO YOUR STAFF REPORT. 
          >> DOTY WHILE YOU'RE LOOKING FOR THAT REAL QUICK I HAD A QUESTION I DID WANT TO ASK TOO. YOU MENTION THAT IN ORDER TO DO ANYTHING WITH IT, THE ZONING IS NOT COMPLIANT WITH BRANNON FIELD BUT RIGHT THERE, IS FOX MEADOW AND THAT'S ALL RURAL RESIDENTIAL AS WELL. IS THAT GRANDFATHERED IN AS RURAL RESIDENTIAL? MOST OF THE OTHER STUFF AROUND 
          SIT RURAL RESIDENTIAL. >> I'M NOT SURE BUT I BELIEVE THAT WAS DONE BEFORE BRANNON FIELD. 
          I'M LOOKING AT THE -- MORE HISTORY THAN I DO. 
          >> SO IT WAS ALL THE LAND THERE IS OLDER ZONING AND IT WAS KIND OF JUST FOLDED INTO BRANNON FIELD BUT RURAL RESIDENTIAL DOES TO THE EXIST AS ZONING IN BRANNON FIELD ANYMORE? 
          >> IT'S THE FRS I BELIEVE IN BRANNON FIELD, SO I WAS GOING TO GIVE YOU THE HEIGHT AND THE SEPARATION. 
          OKAY, SO THE TOWER HEIGHT IS LIMITED TO 130 FEET AND BRANNON FIELD ALLOWS TO YOU ENCROACH WITHIN THAT 200 FOOT BUFFER YOU TYPICALLY HAVE TO HAVE SEPARATION FROM RESIDENTIAL. 
          BRANNON FIELD ALLOWS YOU TO ENCROACH AND YOU HAVE TO HAVE AN AVERAGE OF 50 FOOT BUFFER BETWEEN THE TOWER AND THE ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL WITH THE BUFFER OF EXISTING -- I'M SORRY. 
          >> I'M SURPRISED IT'S THAT CLOSE. 
          SO FROM THE BASE OF THE TOWER TO THE EDGE OF THE RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE IT CAN BE CLOSE AS 50 FEET? 
          >> 50 FEET. >> OKAY. 
          >> YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER BRANNON FIELD WAS INTENDED TO BE A LOT OF MILK USE SO YOU'RE GOING 0 TO HAVE COMMERCIAL WITH RESIDENTIAL AND THE TOWERS TO SERVE THE POPULATION BUT IT'S 85 PERCENT CAPACITY WHICH IS GOING TO HELP AT LEAST WITH THE LOWER PART OF 
          THE TOWER OBVIOUSLY NOT THE TOP. >> YES. 
          JOE. >> QUESTION, I'M SORRY. 
          EITHER ONE OF YOU CAN ANSWER THIS. 
          DO WE KNOW OR WERE YOU GIVEN ANY INDICATION AS TO WHERE THE STRUCTURE WOULD BE ERECTED IN THIS PARCEL? SECOND PART OF THAT QUESTION I'M ASSUMING THEY HAVE TO BRING POWER IN, AND BEING THAT THIS TRACK OF LAND IS ENTIRELY REDESHL I'M THINKING IT'S A STREET IN THAT BOTTOM SECTION. 
          WOULD THEY BE BRINGING IT IN THROUGH THERE? THEY HAVE TO BRING POWER IN SOMEHOW AND I'M NOT THINKING 
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THEY'RE COMING THROUGH ANYBODY'S YARD TO DO THAT. 
          >> LIVE OAK LANE HAS A LOT OF HOUSES ON IT AND IT HAS POWER. 
          >> RIGHT BUT MY POINT IS HOW ARE YOU GOING TO GET FROM IT THERE 
          TO THIS PARCEL. >> IT FRONTS ON LIVE OAK LANE. 
          >> OKAY, SO IT'S COMING OFF OF THERE. 
          WILL THERE BE ANY OTHER CONSTRUCTION IN THIS PARTICULAR TRACT OF LAND OTHER THAN THE TOWER. 
          >> THE ANSWER LASH I SUPPORTING BUILDING. 
          >> BUT NO OTHER HOMES THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          I'M GOING BACK TO MY ORIGINAL QUESTION THEN. 
          DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHERE THEY'RE PLANNING TO ERECT THE 
          STRUCTURE? >> AT THE NORTH END OR THE SOUTH END UNLESS THE APPLICANTS REALLY WANT TO IMPACT THE FLOOD ZONE AREA IN WHICH CASE HE'S GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE IT HIMSELF. 
          >> PERSONALLY I'M NOT PLEASED. I WOULDN'T WANT A TOWER ERECTED 50 FEET FROM MY PROPERTY LINE THEEMTS ARE PRETTY BIG AND PRETTY MASSIVE AND THERE'S A LOT OF STUFF THAT GO ON THEM. 
          I PERSONALLY AM NOT COMFORTABLE WITH THAT. 
          >> ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF BEFORE I OPEN THIS UP? THANK YOU. 
          I'M GOING TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING UP ON THIS ONE. 
          IS THE APPLICANT PRESENT? DO YOU KNOW IF THE APPLICANT IS 
          PRESENT? >> I DON'T KNOW THEM PERSONALLY. 
          >> OKAY, SO NO APPLICANT. ALL RIGHT. 
          SEEING NO APPLICANT I'M GOING TO TAKE THE SECOND, CHEREESE SAID SHE PUT MORE AGENDAS OUT IN THE VESTIBULE IN ANYBODY NEEDS ONE. 
          IF THE APPLICANT IS NOT HERE THERE IS NOT A CITIZENS ADVISORY COMMITTEE THAT FUNCTION IN THAT AREA OF THE COUNTY. 
          CARDS FOR PUBLIC COMMENT FIRST ONE IS WILLIAM GARAY. 
          YOU CAN COME UP AND GIVE US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND WE ASK YOU IF YOU COULD LIMIT YOUR COMMENTS IF YOU COULD TO 3 MINUTES OR SO. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY IS WORKING THE LIGHT THERE BUT WE 
          ASK YOU TO. >> VERY GOOD. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON. BILL GARAY 4312 POWDER HORN COURT THAT IS IN FOX MEADOW. I'M A HOMEOWNER AND A RESIDENT. 
          IT'S ABOUT 550 HOMES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD ALL ON ONE ACRE A LITTLE LOWER, AND CELL PHONE COVERAGE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAS HISTORICALLY BEEN VERY POOR. IT HAS BECOME MUCH WORSE AND IT'S GOING TO GET A LOT WORSE AND THAT'S BECAUSE WE'VE GONE FROM 3G WHICH DOESN'T EXIST TO 4G AND WE ARE NOW MOVING TO 5G. 
          LET ME READ SOMETHING INFORMATIVE ABOUT THIS. 
          AS WIRELESS NETWORKS HAVE TRANSITIONED FROM 3G, TO 4G TO FINAL THE TOWER AREA HAS NARROWED. 
          A TOWER CAN NOW EFFECTIVELY SERVE AT A DISTANCE OF 2.5 OR LESS. THERE HAVE BEEN NO NEW TOWERS IN OUR AREA, AND THE CONCLUSION IS THAT DUE TO CELL TOWER RADIUS SHRINKING MORE CELL TOWERS HAVE TO BE BUILT. 
          AS WE GET CLOSER TO 5G WE ARE NOT HARDLY GOING TO HAVE A SIGNAL OUT THERE. 550 HOMES IS SIGNIFICANT. 
          I'M IN JENNINGS STATE FOREST FROM TIME TO TIME WHICH BORDERS THIS PROPERTY ON THE ONE REMAINING SIDE AND IF YOU'RE OUT THERE, YOU HAVE VERY LIMITED SIGNAL AND IT'S GETTING WORSE. 
          IF YOU LIKE TO GO OUT FOR A HIKE OR RIDE A HORSE, YOU'RE GOING TO BE WITHOUT A SIGNAL. THE LOCATION OF A TOWER AT THIS SITE WOULD PROVIDE THE COVERAGE THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD DIRELY NEEDS AND I SAY DIRE BECAUSE AT THE LAST ASSOCIATION MEETING THAT THE COMMUNITY HAD, COMMISSIONER CONDON WAS PRESENT AND SHE WAS SPECIFICALLY ASKED IF THERE WAS ANYWAY SHE COULD LEAN ON CELL COMPANIES TO GET SOME SERVICE OUT THERE. 
          SO, IT'S THAT SERIOUS. IF YOU'RE ON THE STREETS AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD OR YOU'RE OUT IN JENNINGS, IF THERE'S AN ACCIDENT, IF SOMEONE HAS A HEALTH ISSUE, IF THE POLICE ARE NEEDED, A CELL PHONE CAN BE PRETTY IMPORTANT. 
          MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THIS HAS TO BE APPROVED BEFORE A 
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SECOND APPLICATION CAN BE APPROVED TO EVEN POTENTIALLY PUT A TOWER ON THE SITE THAT THE ASSUMES A CELL COMPANY WOULD EVEN BEEN INTERESTED IN PUTTING ONE OUT THERE. 
          SO, I AM HOPING THAT THIS FIRST STEP WILL BE APPROVED. 
          THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, SIR. 
          I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY SOMETHING THAT YOU DID SAY. 
          YOU MAY NOT HAVE HEARD FROM IT STAFF WHEN THEY MENTIONED IT, IF, IF THIS ZONING CHANGE IS APPROVED IT DOES INCLUDE A COMMUNICATIONS TOWER SO THEY WOULDN'T HAVE TO DO ANYTHING ELSE AT THAT POINT. OKAY. 
          NEXT IS MR. EDDIE CLANTON. AFTER HIM WILL BE TINA MASSEY. 
          >> MY NAME IS EDDIE CLANTON I LIVE ON LIVE OAK LANE I'M THE LOT ACROSS THE STREET FROM THIS NORTH END OF IT. 
          I'M CONCERNED ABOUT IF THEY DO DECIDE TO BUILD HOUSES IN THERE I WOULDN'T CARE IF THEY PUT A CELL SITE AT EITHER ONE OF THE SITES THERE THAT THEY'VE LISTED BUT IF THEY'VE GOT ENOUGH ACREAGE TO PUT HOUSES IN, THE FILL DIRT THAT WOULD BE HAULED IN BECAUSE OF HALL THE WETNESS AROUND THERE I THINK WOULD CAUSE A DISASTER ON THAT ROAD. IT'S A DIRT ROAD. 
          AND I'VE BEEN PROMISED FOR 40 YEARS IT WAS GOING TO BE PAVED 
          BUT IT AIN'T BEEN PAVED YET. >> WAIT A LITTLE BIT LONGER. 
          >> THIS CELL COMPANY GOING TO BUILD A ROLLED FOR US? BUT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT IT BECAUSE OF THE THINGS I JUST MENTIONED. THE REZONING TO PUT A CELL SITE, IN I'M NOT OPPOSED TO BUT IF THEY DECIDE TO BUILD HOUSES BACK THERE THE ACCESS THEY'LL HAVE TO BUILD OR WHATEVER, I'M OPPOSED TO THAT MORE THAN I AM THE CELL SITE. 
          >> THANK YOU. NEXT IS TINA MASSEY. 
          >> GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS TINA MASS EQUIPMENT I LIVE AT 102 COACHMAN'S PLACEMENT MY PROPERTY IS IMMEDIATELY ATTACHED TO THE NORTH END OF THAT PROPERTY WHERE THE CELL TOWER WOULD PROBABLY SIT. BECAUSE IT'S THE LARGEST HIGHEST AREA OF THAT PROPERTY. NOW FOR YEARS I'VE BEEN A PROPONENT ADVOCATING FOR A CELL TOWER. 
          DON'T NECESSARILY WANT IT IN MY BACKYARD BUT MY MAIN CONCERN IS THE REZONING ITSELF WHICH AS THE LAST SPEAKER STATED COULD ALLOW FOR DEVELOPMENT OF THAT PROPERTY, WITH MULTIPLE HOMES AS OPPOSED TO RIGHT NOW ONE HOME. SO, IT'S 23-PLUS OR MINUS. 
          I HAVE TWO AND A HALF ACRES. I SIT NEXT TO THAT EASEMENT. 
          WHEN THIS PROPERTY WAS BOUGHT BY THE CURRENT OWNER THEY THOUGHT THEY WERE GOING TO DEVELOP IT AND PUT A CABIN ON IT AND STARTED HAULING DIRT WITHOUT THE PROPER PERMITS. 
          WHERE DID THEY GO? UP THE EASEMENT RIGHT NEXT TO US WHICH THEY DID NOT HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO DO, A HUB TRUCKLOADS OF DIRT WENT UP THERE. 
          SO MY CONCERN IS THAT THEY WILL TRY TO DEVELOP THIS PROPERTY OTHER THAN FOR THE LEASING OF THAT COMMUNICATION TOWER AND THAT ZONING THAT THEY'RE SEEKING MY UNDERSTANDING IS WOULD ALLOW ONE DWELLING PER FIVE ACRES WITH MITIGATION POSSIBLY AS MUCH AS ONE DWELLING PER ONE ACRE. SO I WOULD ASK YOU TO CONSIDER 
          THAT. >> ARE YOU OKAY? DO YOU NEED ANOTHER MINUTE OR SO? 
          >> NO. I THINK I'VE CONVEYED MY CONCERNS ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT AND I AM FOR A TOWER BUT I WOULD REALLY WANT IT TO BE IN THE PARK, WHICH IS IN THE MIDDLE OF OUR COMMUNITY AND IS ACTUALLY GOVERNED BY THE COUNTY. 
          THERE'S A 13 ACRE PARK SITTING RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF OUR 
          SUBDIVISION. >> IN THE MIDDLE OF FOX MEADOW? IN THE MIDDLE OF FOX MEADOW ALSO THAT'S WHERE MOST OF WANTING TO HAVE A CELL TOWER WERE ADVOCATING FOR IT TO BE PLACE. 
          >> THANK YOU MA'AM. >> WELCOME. 
          >> NEXT I HAVE KELLY MASTO. OKAY. 
          A  -- PATRICIA [NAME]. 
          >> I LIVE AT 4421 SADDLE FORM ALSO PROPERTY ADJACENT TO THIS 
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SHOE THAT'S IN THERE. I'M RIGHT THERE. 
          I'M GOING TO BE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT FROM ALL MY NABORS IN MY TAKE ON THIS. 5G AND 4G CELL TOWERS NEAR OUR HOME MEAN CONSTANT EXPOSURE. YOU CANNOT TURN A CELL TOWER OFF. THE PUBLIC IS OFTEN UNAWARE THAT APPEAR REVIEWED STULDIES SHOW HEALTH CONCERNS, INCLUDING CANCERS, ALTERED BRAIN DEVELOPMENT DAMAGED SPECIAL HEADACHES DIZZINESS HORMONE CHANGES MEMORY AN SLEEP PROBLEMS. I HAVE PERSONALLY EXPERIENCED AND OF SYMPTOMS WHEN WE LIVED IN THE MIDDLE OF ORANGE PARK AND FOR THE MOST PART THESE SYMPTOMS SUBSIDED WHEN WE MOVED TO FOX MEADOW LAST YEAR. MOST PEOPLE ARE ALSO UNAWARE THAT WIRELESS TECHNOLOGY WAS NEVER TESTED FOR LONG-TERM SAFETY DECADE AGO WHEN IT WAS INTRODUCED. 
          CHILDREN ARE MOST VULNERABLE AS THE ACCUMULATED SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE SHOWS HARMFUL. 4-F AND 5G ANTENNAS WILL INCREASE THE WIRELESS RADIATION LEVELS IN THE AREA SO MUCH THAT COMPANIES ARE WORKING TO SLEN, TO LOOSEN SEVERAL GOVERNMENT RADIATION LIMITS IN ORDER TO ROLL IT OUT. 
          MORE 240 SCIENTISTS PUBLISHED AN APPEAL TO THE UNITED NATIONS TO REDUCE PUBLIC EXPOSURE AND CALLED FOR A FREEZE ON 5G CITING ESTABLISHED NOTABLE ADVERSE BIOLOGICAL EFFECTS OF R.F. 
          RADIATION. DR. MARTIN PAUL PROFESSOR EMERITUS OF BIOCHEMISTRY AT WASHINGTON STATE UNIVERSITY WHOSE RESEARCH LAYS OUT THE MECHANISM HOW RADIATION CALLS CELL DAMAGE CALLS 5G THE STUPIDEST IDEA IN THE WORLD AND ALTHOUGH SEVERAL COMPANIES EVER MONITORING OF LIMITS THE UNITED STATES DOES NOT. "WALL STREET JOURNAL" DID AN INVESTIGATIVE REPORT WHICH EXAMINED OVER 5,000 CELL ANTENNA SITES AN FOUND THAT ONE IN TEN SITES VIOLATED THE RULES DURING SAFETY AUDITS FOR CARRIERS AND LOCAL NEWSPAPER ADVERTISE UNDERSCORING A SAFETY LAPSE YET THE FCC HAS ISSUED JUST TWO CITATIONS TO CELL CARRIERS SINCE 1996 BECAUSE THE FCC SAYS IT LACKS RESOURCES TO MONITOR EACH ANTENNA. 
          5G WILL UTILIZE NOT ONLY THE ALMOST OUT DATED 3G AN 4G FREQUENCIES BUT HIGHER MILLIMETER AND SUBMILLIMETER WAVE FREQUENCIES AND STATED THERE ARE NO STUDIES ON LONG-TERM HOW MANY EXPOSURE. IN FACT IN FEBRUARY 20195 INDUSTRY WITNESSES WERE QUESTIONED IN A SENATE HEARING BY SENATOR RICHARD BLUMENTHAL DEMOCRAT FROM CONNECTICUT REGARDING ANY RESEARCH THAT HAS HAPPENED ON THE HEALTH IMPACT OF FINAL ON HUMANS OR THE ENVIRONMENT. 
          THEIR ANSWER WAS THAT THERE HAVE BEEN ZERO STUDIES ON THAT. 
          OBVIOUSLY I OWE POST INSTALLATION MUCH A CELL PHONE TOWER SO NEAR RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD THAT COULD TURN A POSSIBLY TURN A BEAUTIFUL PLACE TO LIVE I NIGHTMARE FOR SOME PEOPLE. IT'S ONLY A POSSIBILITY BUT IT'S SOMETHING TO CONSIDER. THANK YOU. 
          >> THANK YOU MA'AM. I HAVE ONE MORE CARD. 
          ROBERT MERTON. >> GOOD EVENING. 
          I'M ROBERT MERTON, 4560 SADDLE RUN TRAIL. 
          [BEEP]. >> ANYWAY, MOST OF WHAT I WOULD HAVE TO SAY. WHEN I TALK IT BEEPS. 
          [LAUGHTER]. >> WE WILL LET YOU KNOW. 
          >> ANYWAY MOST OF MY CONCERNS HAVE ALREADY BEEN BROUGHT FORTH. 
          I THINK THE BIGGEST CONCERN THE FACT THE REZONING DOES ALLOW FOR UNITS TO BE PUT IN THERE ON ONE ACRE TRACTS MORE OR LESS THAN A I REALIZE THE FACTS LIKES LIKE 80 TO 90S PERCENT OF THE SITE IS WET LANDS BUT THERE ARE WAYS TO MITIGATE WETLANDS AND COME IN HAND DEVELOP THE WETLANDS THAT YOU'VE MITIGATED. 
          I DON'T THINK THAT'S APPROPRIATE BUT I THINK IF YOU'RE GOING TO CONSIDER THIS YOU NEED SOME SORT OF RESTRICTION ON WHAT ELSE CAN BE DEVELOPED IN THIS SO THIS ISN'T A BACK DOOR TO PUT IN A TRAILER PARK, ESSENTIALLY. WE DO NEED A CELL PHONE TOWER 
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SOMEWHERE OUT THERE. THERE ARE PLACES IN FOX MEADOW YOU ACTUALLY LOSE YOUR SIGNAL REGARDLESS WHAT IT IS. 
          IF YOU HAD TO CALL 911 YOU WOULD BE OUT OF LUCK. 
          WE'VE HAD TO PUT IN A CELL PHONE BOOSTER IN OUR HOUSE TO GET ANY SENABLE RECEPTION. SO ANYWAY OUR CONCERN IS MAYBE THE SITING OF THE CELL PHONE TOWER NEEDS TO BE SOMEWHERE ELSE BUT IF YOU'RE GOING TO APPROVE IT PLEASE TRY TO LIMIT IT STRICTLY TO THE CELL PHONE TOWER. 
          DON'T ALLOW A BACK DOOR TO A TRAILER PARK OR MULTIPLE HOUSES THAT HAVE NO REAL REQUIREMENT FOR SIZES SHAPES WAIVER. 
          FOX MEADOWS WAS DEVELOPED MINIMUM RESTRICTIONS ON SIZES MINIMUM RESTRICTIONS ON PROPERTY SIZE AS WELL. 
          THANK. >> THANK YOU SIR. 
          >> DOES ANYBODY ELSE OUT THERE WANT TO COMMENT ON THIS ITEM BEFORE I CLOSE THE HEARING? ALL RIGHT. 
          I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE HEARING. AND BRING IT BACK TO THIS BOARD FOR ANY DISCUSSION. I GOT A COUPLE CLARIFICATIONS TO 
          ASK STAFF >> MIC PLEASE. 
          >> WHAT IS THE ZONING ON THE CURRENT RESIDENTIAL WAS, IS THAT, LIKE HOW MANY HOUSES OR WHAT IS THE SIZE, DO YOU KNOW, AS TO WHAT THEY CONCURRENT BY BUILD WITH THAT ZONEING IF THEY DECIDED TO MAKE THIS A RESIDENTIAL LOT? 
          >> IT IS ESSENTIALLY A -- 1 YOU FOR 5? 
          >> YES, IS FOR 5. >> IF IT WOULD CHANGE IT GOES TO 
          ONE PER? >> IT'S ONE FOR 5 GROSS UNDER 
          THE PROPOSED ZONING. >> MEANING THEY COULD MAKE A 
          CLUSTER. >> RIGHT. 
          >> BUT WITH 20 ACRES THEY WOULD STILL HAVE A MAXIMUM FOUR HOUSES THEY CAN BUILD. THE COMMENTS ARE CLOSED. 
          STAFF WILL LET US KNOW IF WE ARE WRONG. 
          >> YES, IT'S ONE PER FIVE UNDER BRANNON FIELD. 
          >> OKAY, BUT I DID SEE SOMETHING IN THERE ABOUT CLUSTERING. 
          >> IT'S RURAL RESIDENTIAL ONE PER FIVE ACRES NET SO UNDER THE NET ACREAGE YOU SUBTRACT OUT WETLANDS. 
          UNDER GROSS ACREAGE YOU DON'T. NOW THERE'S A PRACTICAL POINT OF VIEW WITH THE GROSS EVEN THOUGH YOU DON'T SUBTRACT OUT THE ACREAGE, YOU STILL HAVE TO ADDRESS THE WETLANDS. 
          YOU CAN'T JUST BUILD ON THE WETLANDS UNLESS YOU MITIGATE THEM. SO IT'S NO APPLES TO APPLES. 
          IT'S A LITTLE COMPLICATED. IF IT HAD NO WETLANDS YOU MIGHT. 
          I >> SO THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN NET AND GROSS. SO UNDER ITS CURRENT ZONING WEATHER IT'S 1 TO 5 NET, SO WHAT COULD SOMEBODY PUT IN THERE TODAY AS FAR AS NUMBER OF UNITS? DO WE KNOW? 
          >> WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE 25. YOU'D GET 5 UNITS MAXIMUM. 
          >> UNDER CURRENT ZONE WAG COULD THEY GET IF THE BRANNON FIELD 
          SUBURB WAS APPROVED? >> I DON'T KNOW THE ACREAGE ON THE WETLANDS. SO FOR NET ACRES WE HAVE TO SUBTRACT OUT WETLANDS. I'M GOING GUESS YOU MIGHT GET ONE REALISTICALLY, MAYBE TWO. IT DEPENDS ON HOW MUCH IS UP AT 
          THE NORTH OF THE PARCEL. >> OKAY. 
          >> WITHOUT KNOWING THAT. >> AND THEN UNDER THE PROPOSAL, DOES THAT NET CHANGE? IS IT ONE OR TWO OR UNDER THE NEW BRANNON FIELD SUBURB DOES THAT INCREASE THE DENSITY? 
          >> YES AND NO. ON PAPER, YES IT DOES BECAUSE IT'S A GROSS ACREAGE. BUT IN ORDER TO DEVELOP IT, YOU HAVE TO MITIGATE THE WETLANDS. YOU STILL HAVE TO MITIGATE THE WETLANDS SO THE WETLANDS ARE KIND OF A BARRIER TO THAT DEVELOPMENT. YES THEY COULD GET FIVE UNITS GOING WITH A GROSS ACREAGE, BUT THAT IMPLIES AS ONLY IF THEY 
          MITIGATE ALL OF THE WETLANDS. >> OKAY, SO WHEN WE MITIGATE 
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          WETLANDS WE BE UMAN CREDITS. >> YES. 
          >> THOSE THAT DON'T KNOW IT'S APPLIED FOR REVIEWED AND DESIGNATED AS HOW MANY UMAM UNITS YOU NEED. 
          SO WE ARE GETTING BEYOND PLANNING AN ZONING. 
          I WANT TO CLARIFY THAT BUT BECAUSE THERE'S CONCERN IN THE COMMUNITY IN THIS BASE WHAINTS THE UMAM CREDIT? 
          >> I DON'T KNOW. >> IT'S BEYOND THE SCOPE OF WHAT 
          WE DO. >> THEY HAVE TO GO TO ST. JOHN'S RIVER WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT WHO ARE GOING TO LOOK AT THE IMPACTS QUALITY OF THE WETLANDS AND WHAT HAVE YOU SO WE RELY ON 
          THEM FOR THAT KIND OF ANALYSIS. >> I THINK THE ONLY REASON I ASK THAT QUESTION IS MAYBE TO SHARE WITH THE COMMUNITY THE CREDITS ARE VERY EXPENSIVE SO TO BUY THEM IS VERY DIFFICULT FOR ANYBODY TO MAKE THE NUMBERS WORK BUT I APOLOGIZE MR. CHAIR FOR TAKING IT BEYOND WHERE WE NORMALLY TAKE IT. 
          >> NO I THINK YOU NEED TO IT CLARIFY THAT. 
          DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE A QUESTION OR COMMENT. 
          >> I DO. I DO. 
          SO I HAVE ONE DOTY JUST THIS ONE STATEMENT IT'S SAID GROSS DENSITY CAN BE AS HIGH AS ONE UNITS PER ACRE SUBJECT TO A DENSITY BONUS PROGRAM. CAN YOU EXPLAIN TO ME? 
          >> THE DENSITY BONUS PROGRAM APPLIES IN CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES. SO YOU HAVE TO DO AN ENVIRONMENTAL STUDY AND IT REQUIRES THAT YOU SET ASIDE A MINIMUM OF TWO ACRES BUT IN ORDER TO QUALIFY YOU HAVE THAT MINIMUM TWO ACRES HAS TO BE THE HOME OF A RARE BIRD PLANT SOMETHING THAT YOU KNOW IS ONLY FOUND THERE OR IS NATIONALLY PROTECTED OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, SO SIMPLY HAVING WETLANDS DOESN'T CALL FOR THAT. IT'S AN ENVIRONMENTALLY 
          ENDANGERED LANDS DMAIGS. >> THANK YOU. 
          >> THANK YOU. SO, WERE YOU GOING TO ASK A 
          QUESTION? >> NO. 
          >> OKAY. I'D LIKE TO ASK, I WAS A LITTLE HEARD THIS GUY CAME IN AND PUT A HUNDRED LOADS OF ILLEGAL FILL IN THERE. SOMEONE WHO HAS ALREADY SHOWN SOME BAD FAITH BY DOING THAT WORRIES ME HOW WELL THEY WILL GO FORWARD WITH WHAT THEY INTEND TO DO. 
          ONE. THINGS THAT I WILL AGREE WITH THESE FOLKS BECAUSE I DO GO OUT IN THAT AREA, THE CELL SERVICE OUT THERE IS TERRIBLE. YOU KNOW, AT LEAST MINE IS. 
          YOU GET OUT THERE AND YOU'RE LUCKY SOMETIMES. 
          I'VE BEEN OUT THERE AND HAD PEOPLE CALL ME AND CAN'T GET A HOLD OF ME. SO I REALLY THINK THE QUESTION WE HAVE TO FIGHT WITH HERE IS THIS THE BEST SITE FOR A CELL 
          TOWER. >> I STILL HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THAT 50-FOOT BUFFER. I DON'T KNOW ANY NUMBERS WHERE THERE IS, A SAFE AREA BEYOND 50 FEET LIKE IF THEY PUT A TOWER 300 FEET AWAY IS THAT A SAFE ENOUGH AREA, BECAUSE IF IT GOES 50 FEET FROM PROPERTY I'M A BELIEVER IT WILL HAVE AN EFFECT ON SOME OF THOSE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES WILL THERE IS A LOT. 
          R.F. THAT COMES OFF THESE TOWERS SO I'M NOT COMFORTABLE WITH A 50-FOOT BUFFER. IF THEY ONLY HAVE TWO AREAS POTENTIALLY WHERE THEY CAN PUT IN IT'S GOING UP RIGHT BEHIND SOMEBODY'S YARD SO I WOULD WANT TO SEE US EXTEND THAT BUFFER TO WHATEVER MAXIMUM OR MINIMUM BEYOND OUR 50, YOU KNOW 
          REQUIREMENT WE HAVE. >> THE REST OF THE CODE HAS A 200 NOT DISTANCE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY AND WHEN WAYS LOOKING AT THAT SECOND OF THE CODE I MEASURED IN THAT NORTHERN UP LAND AREA TO SEE IF THEY WOULD MEET THAT DISTANCE REQUIREMENT AND IT WOULD BUT IT THE TOWER WOULD NEED TO BE SET CLOSER TO THE ROAD BUT IT FIT WITHIN THOSE MINIMUM SETBACKS WHICH WERE BROADER. IS IS. 
          >> SINCE THE APPLICANT IS NOT HERE DO WE KNOW THAT IS THEIR 
          INTENT OR JUST PROPOSEED. >> TO HAVE THE TOWER, YES, BECAUSE I HAVE BEEN CONTACTED BY A PROFESSIONAL TOWER COMPANY ENGINEERING GROUP ASKING ABOUT THE PARTICULARS ON THAT PARCEL. 
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          >> BUT TONIGHT POINT THAT WAS RAISED EARLIER THE CHANGING OF THE ZONING ALSO WOULD MAKE POSSIBLE WITH MITIGATION 
          RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT. >> IT WOULD, BUT I CAN'T TELL 
          YOU WHAT'S IN THE APPLICANTS. >> I AGREE. 
          IT'S A A  -- ALLOWED NOW. THERE WOULD BE A SET BACK AN THAT TOWER IS GOING TO EAT THAT UP. 
          IF YOU FEEL LIKE ADDITIONAL YOU COULD MAKE A CONDITION AN ADDITIONAL SET BACK OR SOMETHING IF YOU FEEL THAT'S APPROPRIATE. 
          >> DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? OKAY. 
          ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION BY SOMEWHAT OLD MEMORY TRYING TO BRING THIS IN BUT I THINK THE REASON THE SETBACKS ARE SHORTER IN BRANNON FIELD IS WHEN OAK LEAF WAS FIRST BEING BUILT OUT, WHICH IS INSIDE THAT MASTER PLAN AREA, WE RAN INTO THIS SAME PROBLEM ABOUT CELL TOWERS BECAUSE AT THE TIME WE ONLY ALLOWED CELL TOWERS ON COMMERCIAL LAND USE. 
          AND THE STOMACH COMPANY SAID WE CAN'T SERVE OAK LEAF IF WE CAN'T PUT SOME TOWERS IN THERE AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE IT ENDED UP THAT THE CELL TOWERS ENDED UP IN SOME OF THE ZONING AND THE BUFFERS GOT SHORTER BECAUSE THEY NEEDED TO GET THEM CLOSE TO RESIDENTIAL. I THINK THAT'S THE HISTORY WHERE THAT COMES FROM. THAT WAS DONE WAY BACK WHEN OAK 
          LEAF WAS STARTING TO BUILD OUT. >> CAN WE EXTEND THIS AS 
          CONDITIONAL USE? >> WHAT WE CAN DO AND COURTNEY IS LISTENING NOW, WHAT WE CAN DO IS WE CAN EITHER APPROVE THE STAFF REPORT, RECOMMEND, OR RECOMMEND DENYING THE STAFF REPORT AND WE CAN ADD TO THERE A REQUEST THAT THAT WE PUT THE EXTRA RECOMMENDATION OF THE BOARD THEY LOOK AT CHANGING THE FOOTAGE BUT WE CAN'T DO IT PER SE. 
          WE CAN RECOMMEND IT. >> CAN I ASK A QUESTION? 
          >> JUST ONE MORE QUESTION I THINK. 
          SO, IN A MOTION, IF WE WERE TO CHANGE THE GROSS BACK TO NET HOW WOULD YOU HANDLE THAT ON THE STAFF SIDE? THAT WOULD LOCK THEM INTO ONE OR TWO UNITS ON THAT ENTIRE PARCEL, RIGHT? THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING. 
          IS IT VIABLE. >> BECAUSE WHAT YOU'RE, ARE YOU SUGGESTING THAT WOULD BE SPECIFIC TO THIS PARCEL? 
          >> IF WE WERE TO MAKE A MOTION ON SOME BUFFER WE CAN COME TO TERMS ON WITH A RECOMMENDATION THAT IT'S APPLIED AS A NET AND NOT AS A GROSS ACREAGE WHICH WOULD LOCK THAT ONE TO TWO UNITS THE PARCEL MY QUESTION IS THAT VIABLE OR IS THAT AN OPTION THAT 
          WE CAN'T PUSH FORWARD? >> I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THAT, BECAUSE YOU'RE MAKING A RECOMMENDATION -- DO YOU HAVE ADVICE ON THAT ONE COURTNEY? [INAUDIBLE] 
          >> IT WOULD HAVE TO BE UPDATED. >> QUESTION, THOUGH, IF WE DO INCLUDE THAT, IF THIS WAS APPROVED UNDER THE BRANNON FIELD MASTER PLAN, THEN IT WOULD FAUNLD THE SAME RULES. 
          CAN YOU LEGALLY CARVE OUT A PIECE AND THEN REVERT BACK TO OLD STANDARDS BEFORE IT WAS PUT ON TO BRANNON FIELD. 
          THAT WOULD BE GROUND IF IT WOULD BE APPROVED UNDER THE BRANNON 
          FIELD MASTER PLAN. >> DOES ANYONE HAVE A MOTION THEY WANT TO PUT ON THE FLOOR? MARY. 
          I'M SORRY. >> [INAUDIBLE] 
          >> CURRAN YOUR MIC. >> UNDER THE NEW LAND USE, UNDER THE DENSITY SECTION, PARAGRAPH B, SAYS ONE DWELLING UNIT PER TWO GROSS ACRES WILL BE ALLOWED WHEN DEVELOPMENT IS ADJACENT TO ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING LAND USES THEN IT LISTS ACTIVITY CENTER COMMUNITY CENTER MASTER PLAN COMMUNITY ORDINARY ANY 
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OTHER LAND USE THAT ALLOWS DENSITIES OF GREATER THAN ONE UNIT PER TWO GROSS ACRES AND DEFINES WHAT ADJACENT IS. 
          AIM CORRECT IN ASSUMING NONE OF THESE PROPERTIES IS ADJACENT? 
          THANK YOU. >> NO. 
          I'M SORRY BUT THE PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED AT THIS POINT. 
          THANK YOU. >> I'M THE APPLICANT. 
          >> OH, YOU'RE THE APPLICANT. COME ON UP. 
          >> I WORKED FOR THE RAILROAD IN GEORGIA AND I BROKE SOME SPEED 
          LIMIT LAWS GETTIN HERE. >> IF YOU COME UP TO THE PODIUM. 
          >> WE ARE GOING TO REOPEN THIS PUBLIC HEARING. 
          I THINK WE WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM YOU. 
          YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS PLEASE. >> MY NAME IS PAUL PLEASANT I LIVE AT 3551 SANDY BRANCH IN MIDDLEBURG. 
          >> DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING WANT TO TELL US? YOU PROBABLY SHEDRO SOME OF THE COMMENTS. 
          SOME OF THESE GUYS I THINK HAVE QUESTIONS FOR YOU TOO. 
          >> WHOORKS KIND OF QUESTIONS DO YOU HAVE? 
          WHAT CAN I ANSWER? >> JUST EXPLAIN WHAT YOU WANT TO 
          DO WITH THE PROPERTY. >> I WAS APPROACHED BY A CELLULAR COMMUNICATIONS TOWER VERTICAL BRIDGE ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF PUTTING A CELLULAR COMMUNICATIONS MONO POLE ON THE PROPERTY AND WHEN I WENT TO THE COUNTY I WAS INFORMED THERE WERE SOME POSSIBLE ZONING ISSUES AND SHE HELPED GUIDE ME THROUGH THE PROCESS TO LOOK AT POSSIBLY GETTING IT CHANGED FROM THE BRANNON FIELD RURAL RESIDENTIAL TO THE RURAL SUBURB WHICH WOULD ALLOW UNDER THE CODE FOR 
          INSTALLATION OF A CELL TOWER. >> THAT'S THE LIMIT OF YOUR INTENTION IS TO PUT UP A CELL TOWER? 
          >> THAT'S FIT I PUT ANYTHING ELSE ON THE PROPERTY BECAUSE IT'S GOT A LOT OF WETLANDS THAT I WANT TO SEE PRESERVED IT MIGHT PUT A SMALL CABIN OR SOMETHING THERE EVENTUALLY BUT I HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO PLANS TO DEVELOP THAT LAND. 
          >> WERE YOU THE PERSON TO HAVE THE DIRT HAULED IN THERE? 
          >> I HAD ABOUT TEN LOADS OF DIRT HAULED IN FOR A ROAD AROUND THE PERIMETER OF THE PROPERTY.  WE DIDN'T GO AND FILL ANY WETLANDS 
          OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. >> OKAY. 
          WE UNDERSTOOD TOO THAT USED THE EASEMENT TO GET TO THE PROPERTY. 
          >> YES. >> NOW, I WOULD EXPECT THAT YOU WILL CUT AN ENTRANCE FOR THE TOWER. 
          >> YES, SIR THE CELL COMPANY HAS INDICATED THEY WOULD PUT A CULVERT OR BRIDGE OVER THE DRAINAGE DITCH ALONG THE PARK ROAD AND PUT A DRIVEWAY OR GRAVEL ROAD TO THEIR SITE FROM 
          LIVE OAK LANE. >> OKAY. 
          BECAUSE I THINK OUR UNDERSTANDING IS THAT EASEMENT IS NOT AN ACCESS YOOECHLT. IT'S A UTILITIES EASEMENT. 
          >> I FOUND THAT OUT HALF WE BROUGHT IN A FEW LOADS OF DIRT. 
          SOMEONE FROM THE COUNTY SAID YOU CAN'T DO. 
          I THOUGHT IT WAS AN ALL PURPOSE EASEMENT BUT APPARENTLY IT IS 
          NOT. >> OKAY. 
          ANYBODY HAVE ANY OTHER? >> YEAH I DO. 
          DID THEY GIVE YOU ANY INDICATION WHERE THEY WANT TO CONSTRUCT THE TOWER IN RELATIONSHIP TO THE RESIDENCES? 
          >> YES. IF YOU LOOK AT THE SITE MAP WHERE LIVE OAK LANE IS YOU CAN SEE THE BALD SPOT AT THE TOP OF THE NORTH END OF THE PLOT THERE. THAT WAS CLEARED BEFORE WE BOUGHT THE LAND SO IT'S NO WETLANDS. 
          RIGHT ON LIVE OAK IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE SET BACK WHERE THE ANGLE COMES INTO LIVE OAK LANE THERE'S A SPOT THEY CAN USE THAT DOESN'T IMPACT WITNESS LANDS AND MEETS THE 200 FOOT CRITERIA SO THE TWO LOCATIONS THEY INDICATED THEY WANTED TO PUT THEM WELL CLEAR OF THE RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES. 
          >> SO YOU JUST SAID 200 FOOT. IS IT YOUR UNDERSTANDING THEY'RE GOING TO MAINTAIN A 200 FOOT DISTANCE FROM ANY RESIDENCE TO 
          THE BASE OF THE TOWER? >> THAT'S WHAT THEY TOLD ME. 
          >> OKAY. THANK YOU. 
          >> QUESTION. >> GO AHEAD. 
          >> SO WHY DOES HE NEED TO APPLY. >> WHAT IS THE PURPOSE OF THIS? 
          >> THE CURRENT FUTURE LAND SUES NOT A BRANNON FIELD FUTURE LAND 
          USE. >> SO JUST BRINGING IT IN. 
          >> YES. >> IT'S MORE AN ADMINISTRATIVE 
          ISSUE. >> IT'S A CONSISTENCY ISSUE. 
          >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK. 
          >> AGAIN MY APOLOGIES FOR BEING LATE. 
          IT'S A HAUL FROM GEORGIA THIS TIME OF DAY. 
          >> I'M LOOKING FOR A MOTION FROM SOMEBODY. 
          I KNOW WE HAVE A QUESTION. WE ARE NOT GOING TO GET IN A DEBATE HERE. WE HEARD YOUR COMMENTS. 
          WE APPRECIATE THAT. [INAUDIBLE] 
          >> ARE YOU GUYS OKAY WITH THAT? ALL RIGHT. 
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COME ON UP. YES, MA'AM. 
          >> THANK YOU SIR. >> TINA MASSEY, 1023 COACH MAN PLACE, MIDDLEBURG. WHERE THAT SITE IS, WHICH IS WHERE I SUSPECT IT WOULD NEED TO BE, AGAIN RIGHT BEHIND MY PROPERTY, THAT AREA ON LIVE OAK IS ACTUALLY BEHIND THE ENTRANCE OF THE STATE FOREST. SO, MY CONCERN NOW WOULD BE HOW IS THE COMPANY GOING TO REACH THAT PART OF THE PROPERTY? SO WHEN THAT DIRT -- AND IT WAS NOT 10 TRUCKLOADS. 
          IT WAS AND AND MORE -- CAME INTO THAT SITE DOWN THAT EASEMENT, MY CONCERN IS WILL THEY TRY TO USE THAT EASEMENT AGAIN FOR SOMETHING THAT IT'S NOT INTENDED AND OR 2, WILL THEY HAVE TO COME IN ON THE FAR END OF THAT PROPERTY AND THEN DRIVE ALONG ALL OF OUR PROPERTIES IN FOX MEADOW SOME ON SADDLE HORN AND SOME ON COACHMAN TO ACCESS THAT SITE THAT'S HIGH AND DRY? I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THE BOARD AWARE THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO GAIN PERMISSION FROM THE STATE FOREST AND THAT GATE IS CLOSED AT NIGHT, AS FAR AS I KNOW. THANK YOU. 
          >> THANK YOU. >> I WAS GOING TO SAY CAN I 
          ANSWER FOR YOU. >> I'M GOING TO CLOSE THIS PUBLIC HEARING. GO AHEAD. 
          >> THERE SAN EASEMENT. LIVE OAK LANE ACTUALLY CONTINUES NORTH BEYOND WHERE THE GATE IS, AND ON TR PLEASANT'S PROPERTY THERE IS AN EASEMENT RUNNING DOWN THE WEST BORDER I TO THE THE WIDTH OF IT BUT IT'S ON HIS SURVEYS SHOWING IT'S AN EXTENSION OF LIVE OAK LANE SO THEY THE CELL TOWER COMPANY WOULD USE THAT. THEY WOULD HAVE TO DEVELOP IT STABILIZE IT GET ACROSS THE DITCH THE CULVERT YOU MENTIONED 
          WOULD HAVE TO BE INSTALLED. >> IS THIS GOING TO HAVE TO GO FOR ANY KIND OF DEVELOPMENT REVIEW BEFORE CONSTRUCTION 
          HAPPENS THROUGH THE DRC. >> THAT HASN'T HAPPENED YET. 
          SO I GUESS MY POINT IS YOU GUYS SIT ON THAT COMMITTEE THAT SOME OF THESE POINTS ABOUT ACCESS NEED TO BE BROUGHT UP IN THAT DEVELOPMENT REVIEW. RIGHT? SO THAT BECAUSE CLEARLY THAT EASEMENT IS NOT FOR ACCESS AND THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN FOX MEADOW DO NOT WANT ALL THESE TRUCKS DRIVING THROUGH THEIR SUBDIVISION TO GET TO THAT TOWER SO I THINK THAT HAS TO BE ARE CLEAR ABOUT THAT. 
          OKAY. >> BASED ON THE NEW INFORMATION I'LL MAKES MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE STAFF REPORT. 
          >> SECOND. >> SECOND. 
          >> OKAY, SECOND. IF I COULD I'M GOING TO CALL THE QUESTION. I DON'T SEE ANY OTHER QUESTION. 
          ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION SAY AYE. 
          OPPOSED. 1. 
          WE ARE AT 6-1. >> MIND. 
          >> 5-2. >> OBVIOUSLY I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHERE THEY PROPOSED KIND OF SITE IS GOING UP. 
          I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT PERSONALLY. 
          IF YOU CAME AND IF TOLD ME YOU WERE GOING TO PUT IT RIGHT ON THE WETLANDS LINE. YOU DON'T HAVE THAT MAP UP BUT IF YOU WERE GOING TO PUT IT ON THE LOWER PART OF THAT WENT LANDS LINE I'D BE 100 PERCENT ON THAT BUT YOU KNOW I DON'T WANT TO SEE SOMETHING BACK DOORED AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN SOMEBODY LOOKS AT THE LANGUAGE AN SAYS WE CAN REALLY PUT THIS 50 FEET FROM HERE, YOU KNOW, I DON'T LIKE THAT SO THAT'S MY OBJECTION TO 
          THAT. >> SO MR. IAN AND BO ARE THE NO'S. WE ARE DONE WITH THAT ONE. 
          IF IF PEOPLE WHO CAME FOR THAT WANT TO LEAVE YOU'RE WELCOME TO LEAVE. PLEASE DO SO QUIETLY. 
          THANKS FOR COMING AND GIVING YOUR INPUT. 
          DO NOT FORGET THE BOARD OF COMMUNITY COMMISSIONERS IS GOING TO TAKE UP THIS ON THE 22ND AT THEIR MEETING SO YOU MAY WANT TO 
          [2.  First Public Hearing to consider LDC-2022-16 (D. Selig)]
COME BACK FOR THAT ONE. ITEM NUMBER 2. 
          THIS WILL BE FUN. THIS IS THE FIRST PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER A LDC. IT'S AN APPLICATION TO CHANGE ARTICLE III IN PUD. THE APPLICATION WOULD HIM AT THIS TIME NUMBER OF RESIDENTIAL UNITS ON LOTS NARROWER THAN 50 NO MORE THAN 20 PERCENT THAN LOTS IN THE PUD. 
          >> THIS ITEM WILL BE GOING TO COUNTY BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS ON 
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THE 22ND. ARTICLE III SECTION 333 THE PUD SECTION AND THIS BEGAN AS A TOPIC FROM ONE OF THE BOARD AGAIN COMMISSIONERS WORKSHOPS THAT WAS THEN EXPANDED ON AT THE SECOND WORKSHOP WE HAD EARLIER THIS SPRING. 
          THE REQUEST FROM THEM WAS TO CONSIDER LANGUAGE THAT WOULD LIMIT NARROW LOTS IN PUD'S OUTSIDE THE MASTER PLANS. 
          MASTER PLANS ADDRESS THEM BUT OUTSIDE THE COUNTY THEY'RE NOT. 
          THERE'S NOT A LIMITATION OF ANY KIND AND IT'S TO THE NUMBER OF NARROW LOTS YOU CAN PROVIDE IN A PUD SO THE LANGUAGE THAT'S PROPOSED IS UNDERLINED HERE. IT WOULD BE LIMITATION OF 20 PERCENT OF THE TOTAL NUMBER OF SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL LOTS THAT WOULD BE ALLOWED TO BE LESS THAN 50 FEET IN WIDTH. 
          THE BIG ISSUES THAT WERE BROUGHT UP BY THE BOARD WERE PARKING REALLY THAT WAS THE PRIMARY THING THAT TO THE NARROW LOTS LED TO PARKING IN THE STREETS PARKING IN THE DRIVEWAY BUT OVER THE SIDEWALK THAT WAS CAUSING A LOT OF DIFFICULTIES FOR THE RESIDENTS AND PEOPLE DRIVING THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOODS. 
          SO, THE LANGUAGE MATCHES WHAT'S IN THE LAKE ASBURY MASTER PLAN. 
          THERE'S ALREADY LANGUAGE IN THAT CODE AT 20 PERCENT AND I'LL EXPAND ON THAT IN JUST A MINUTE. THERE'S PROS AND CONS TO HAVING A NARROW LOT. ONE OF THE PROS IS YOU HAVE LESS YARD MAINTENANCE BECAUSE YOU HAVE A SMALLER LOT. 
          THEN YOU HAVE ACCESS TO COMMON RECREATION USUAL LYNN CLUBHOUSE POOL THAT SORT OF THING AT FRACTIONAL COST COMPARED TO WHAT YOU WOULD PAY IF YOU PUT THAT SAME POOL IN YOUR BACKYARD. 
          THE NEGATIVES YOU HAVE LESS INDIVIDUAL YARD SPACE FOR THOSE WHO WANT BIGGER YARDS AND WITH NARROW LOT YOU DON'T HAVE ROOM LITERALLY TO PUT IN A LOT OF CASES A POOL IN OR REALLY THROW BALL WITHOUT HAVING IT IN THE NEIGHBOR'S YARD SO IT'S A TRADEOFF BETWEEN PERSONAL SPACE AND PUBLIC SPACE. 
          BRANNON FIELD ALLOWS NARROW LOT WIDTHS UP TO MAXIMUM 75 PERCENT OF THE PUD SINGLE-FAMILY LOTS CAN BE FAR WHO WHEREAS LAKE ASBURY ALLOWS ONLY 20 PERCENT OF THE LOTS TO BE NARROW WIDTH. 
          >> WHICH ONE IS 75 PERCENT? >> BRANNON FIELD IS 75 PERCENT. 
          SORRY. SO THIS WOULD MATCH THE AREA OUTSIDE OF ANY MASTER PLAN WOULD BE THE SAME AS WHAT IS CURRENTLY IN LAKE ASBURY'S MASTER PLAN AS FAR AS THE NUMBER OF LOTS. 
          WHAT IT DOESN'T ADDRESS AND STAFF WILL BE ADDRESSING IS THAT IT DOESN'T MATCH WHAT THE MASTER PLANS REQUIRE OF A DEVELOPER IN TERMS OF COMMON RECREATION SPACE. 
          SO, WHAT YOU'RE GETTING IN A PUD IS YES, IT'S A SMALLER LOT BUT YOU'RE PRESUMABLY GETTING A AMENITIES, THAT'S SORT OF A TRADEOFF. SO, BECAUSE OF THE DIRECTION FROM THE BOARD, WE KEPT JUST THE MINIMAL LANGUAGE AND WE ARE GOING TO ADDRESS THE RECREATIONAL COMPONENT THROUGH THE WORK WE ARE DOING WITH OUR CONSULTANTS ON LOOKING AT OUR CODE AS A WHOLE AND TRIED TO MATCH AND KIND OF EVALUATE WHAT KIND OF RECREATION STANDARDS DO WE HAVE IN BRANNON FIELD MASTER PLAN VS. LAKE ASBURY VS. WHAT WE NEED OUTSIDE THE COUNTY SO WE ARE KIND OF INTENTIONALLY LIMITING THE LANGUAGE NOW TO JUST THE STANDARDS THE NUMBER OF LOST THE PERCENTAGE YOU CAN HAVE AND WILL ADDRESS THE RECREATION COMPONENT. 
          JUST WANTED TO REASSURE YOU IT WASN'T AN OVERSIGHT BUT WE ARE LOOKING AT THAT A LITTLE MORE HOLISTICLY. 
          STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF 2022-16. 
          >> [INAUDIBLE] >> IT'S ON WEDNESDAY NOVEMBER 9. 
          NOT THE 22ND. >> FOR THE BCC. 
          >> THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          >> MR. CHAIR. >> WAIT A MINUTE. 
          YOU SAID WEDNESDAY THE NINTH? >> AFTER THE ELECTION. 
          >> BECAUSE OF THE ELECTION. OKAY. 
          GOT YOU. OKAY. 
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          >> CAN I ANSWER? >> GO AHEAD. 
          >> MY QUESTION IS WHERE DO WE CURRENTLY STAND IN THE BRANDON FIELD MASTER PLAN? IS THERE ANY LIMITATION TO 
          50-FOOT LOTS? >> YES, 75 PERCENT OF THE LOTS 
          CAN BE IN A PUD. >> CAN BE. 
          >> CAN BE. >> SO NOW WE ARE LIMITING THAT 
          DOWN TO 20. >> THAT'S THE LIMIT THAT'S IN 
          LAKE ASBURY. >> SO I'M GOING TO MAKE A GENERAL COMMENT IF I MAY. WE HAVE AN AFFORDABLEABILITY IN THIS COUNTY. THE WAY YOU BRING AFFORDABLE HOMES IN A COMMUNITY IS TO INCREASE DENSITY. 
          YOU INCREASE DENSITY BY SMALLER LOTS SO THIS IS NOW SOMETHING ELSE IMPORTANT. I'LL LEAVE LIT. 
          FOR STAFF? THE COUNTY'S THE APPLICANT ON 
          THIS ONE. >> YES. 
          >> SO I WILL OPEN A PUBLIC HEARING. 
          ANY COMMENTS ON. I'M GOING TO CLOSE. 
          THIS I HAVE SOME COMMENT. ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY COMMENTS? 
          >> I KNOW WHERE YOU'RE GOING. I'M WITH MIKE ON THIS. 
          SO I'LL BE VOTING NO ON THIS. >> BUT YOU GUYS KNOW WHAT I FOR YEARS HAVE HARD ON THE THIS AND I AGREE WITH YOU GUYS ABOUT THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING BUT I DON'T THINK YOU GET TO IT BY MAKING LOTS NARROWER. WE GOT TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING MORE INNOVATIVE THAN THAT HASN'T I THINK THERE ARE INNOVATIVE THINGS THAT CAN BE DONE BUT IT'S NOT NARROW LOTS. 
          THEY TURN INTO BAD LOOKING NEIGHBORHOODS WITH TOO AND CARS ON THE STREETS IN THE FRONT YARDS AND EVERYWHERE ELSE BECAUSE THE REAL ISSUE IS WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO PROVIDE FOR ALL THESE CARS. THAT'S THE PROBLEM. 
          AND THE OTHER THING IT'S NOT IN HERE BUT I'LL GO AHEAD AND MENTION IT THAT I'D LIKE TO SEE IS 25 FOOT DRIVEWAYS BECAUSE YOU MENTIONED IN YOUR PRESENTATION THESE TRUCKS ARE 20 FEET LONG AND PEOPLE PARK IN THEIR DRIVEWAY AND A COUPLE OF FEET END OF THE TRUCK IS HANGING OUT OVER THE SIDEWALK WITH THAT TRAILER HITCH STICKING OUT AND IT'S LITERALLY A HAZARD. 
          WE NEED TO HAVE 25-FOOT DRIVEWAYS, SIDEWALK TO THE GARAGES, AND WE DO NEED TO LIMIT HOW MANY SMALL LOTS WE HAVE. 
          I WOULD LIKE TO SEE AND IT'S NOT ANYTHING HERE, BUT YOU GUYS ARE IN THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY. COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT MAKES SENSE OTHER THAN SMALLER LOTS. 
          I CAN SUPPORT THAT. >> THERE IS ANOTHER OPTION. 
          THAT'S DENSITY THROUGH MULTI-FAMILY. 
          SO IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE SMALLER LOTS AND YOU STILL HAVE TO FIND AFFORDABILITY YOU FIND THAT IN DENSITY WITH MULTI-FAMILY UNITS. 
          SO YOU KNOW FOLKS SOME FOLKS DON'T WANT TO LIVE IN AN APARTMENT OR CONDO. SOME FOLKS WANT TO FLIF A SINGLE-FAMILY HOME AND THEY SHOULD HAVE THAT OPTION AND I WOULD DISAGREE I THINK YOU DEFINE AFFORDABILITY BY NARROW 
          LOT SO. >> GO AHEAD BO. 
          >> JUST A QUICK QUESTION AS WE GO LONG AN SHRINK THE LOTS INCREASE THE DENSITY WHAT DOES THAT DO TO THE SCHOOLS, AND WHAT'S THE COST ULTIMATELY THAT GETS BORNE THAT'S NOT EVEN FACTORED IN HERE THAT'S BORNE BY THE NOW NEW TAXPAYERS FOR 
          BUILDING THOSE SCHOOLS? >> WHEN YOU INCREASE THE DENSITY DEPENDING ON SINGLE-FAMILY TOUCHPAD SINGLE-FAMILY OR MULTI-FAMILY THE INVESTIGATE DIFFERENT FOR SINGLE-FAMILY OR MULTI-FAMILY. THE GENERATION RATE IS ABOUT .44 STUDENTS PER UNIT FOR EACH SINGLE-FAMILY HOME. 
          IT GOES DOWN SUBSTANTIALLY FOR MULTI-FAMILY HOMES. 
          SO THE MULTI-FAMILY IS AN OPTION TO NOT PUT THE STRESS ON THE SCHOOLS THAT MULTI-FAMILY ATTACHED AND SINGLE-FAMILIES DO. 
          IF ASK YOU THE QUESTION HOW MUCH IT COSTS RIGHT NOW WE ARE LOOKING ABOUT $47,000 PER STUDENT STATION TO BUILD AN 
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ELEMENTARY SCHOOL. THAT COMES OUT ABOUT $40 MILLION TO BUILD AN ELEMENTARY. THAT'S ACTUAL COST THAT WE ARE BUILDING RIGHT NOW. ESTIMATED COST FOR MIDDLE SCHOOL, JUNIOR HIGH OR SENIOR HIGH SCHOOL ESTIMATED COST ABOUT $70-80 MILLION ON THE JUNIOR HIGH SCHOOL, $120-140 MILLION ON 
          A SENIOR HIGH SCHOOL. >> EXPLAIN THAT REAL QUICK. 
          WHY ARE MULTI-FAMILY STUDENT GENERATION RATE IS LOWER? IS THAT SOMETHING SOMEBODY HAS MEASURED AND KNOWS THE FAMILY MIX IS DIFFERENT IN MULTI-FAMILY THAN SINGLE-FAMILY? 
          >> RIGHT. NORMALLY THE FAMILIES ARE SMALL HER MULTI-FAMILY HOMES THEREFORE GENERATE LESS STUDENTS OR COULD BE SINGLE INDIVIDUALS IN MULTI-FAMILY HOMES OR JUST COUPLES THAT DON'T HAVE KIDS SO OVER ALL THEY USE THE CENSUS DATA AND HOW MANY STUDENTS WE HAVE SO FOR EXAMPLE IF WE HAVE A MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPMENT THEY WILL COUNT EXACTLY HOW MANY STUDENTS ARE IN THAT MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPMENT AS OPPOSED TO SINGLE-FAMILY DEVELOPMENT AND THEN WHAT LEVEL THEY ARE SO IT'S A RAE SHOW THEY COME UP WITH THROUGH THE CENSUS AND TEN ROLEMENT OF THOSE STUDENTS. 
          >> SO, JUST FOLLOWING THE MATH HERE, WE REDUCE THE LOT SIZE, WHICH THEN DRIVES UP MORE STUDENTS WHICH THEN INCREASES THE COST FOR THE SCHOOLS BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO ACCOUNT FOR MORE STUDENTS, SO WHERE'S THE SAVINGS? 
          >> TO WHOM? >> WHERE'S THE AFFORDABILITY? IN OTHER WORDS, IF I'M INCREASING THE NUMBER OF HOMES, AND AT THE SAME TIME, INCREASING THE NUMBER OF STUDENTS, AND I'VE GOT TO BUILD MORE SCHOOLS TO ACCOUNT FOR THAT, RIGHT? WHAT DO I SAVE IN AFFORDABILITY? THE HOMES MAY BE CHEAPER WHEN YOU PUT THE LONG RUN THE COST OF OWNERSHIP IS GOING TO BE INCREASED BY THE INCREASED AMOUNT OF SCHOOLS SO WHAT DO WE 
          GAIN? >> IF I MAY COMMISSIONER NORTON, I THINK ONE ELEMENT NORMALLY KEEP DON'T TALK ABOUT THIS IN IN BODY BUT BECAUSE THE QUESTION WAS ASKED I WOULD ASK A FOLLOWUP QUESTION, IMPACT FEES. WHEN WE TALK ABOUT NEW CONSTRUCTION AND EVERY NEW UNITS THAT'S PERMITTED HAS TO PAY AN IMPACT FEE WHETHER YOU AGREE WITH IT OR NOT EVERY UNIT HAS TO PAY AN IMPACT FEE UNDER TODAY'S LAW. 
          >> CORRECT. >> SO FOR NEW SINGLE-FAMILY HOME? $7034 SO AGAIN YOU'RE GOING BACK TO DENSITY, YOU'RE PUTTING MORE UNIKNITS A SMALLER AREA AND FOR EVERY UNITS YOU'RE GETTING AN IMPACT FEE THAT GOES DIRECTLY TO 
          SCHOOLS. >> IS THAT IMPACT FEE THE SAME AS WHAT WOULD YOU GET ON MULTI-FAMILY? 
          >> IT IS NOT. IT'S ABOUT HALF ON MULTI-FAMILY BECAUSE THE GENERATION RATE IS LOWER ON MULTI-FAMILY. 
          >> BUT DOES THE IMPACT FEE COVER ENTIRELY THE COST OF BUILDING OR IS THAT SPREAD THROUGHOUT THE POPULATION IN CLAY COUNTY. 
          >> IMPACT FEES CAN ONLY BE USED FOR -- 
          >> DOES IT IS COVER THE ENTIRE COST OF CONSTRUCTION OR IS THAT ALSO COVERED THROUGH PROPERTY TAXES THROUGH THE REST OF THE 
          CLAY COUNTY POPULATION? >> THE ONLY WAY I CAN ANSWER THAT AND I CAN'T GIVE YOU A DEFINITIVE ANSWER ON WILL JUST IMPACT FEES COVER THE COST OF THE SCHOOL, NO THEY WILL NOT, NOT FOR A SPECIFIC DEVELOPMENT, NO IT WILL NOT. 
          HOWEVER THAT IS THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY THE IMPACT FEES ARE COLLECTED AND PUT TOWARD NEW CONSTRUCTION OF THE SCHOOLS. 
          >> QUESTIONS. >> IF I MAY, TO FEEDBACK WHAT I HER LANCE SAYING HE SAID THE IMPACT FEE FOR SINGLE-FAMILY 
          HOME WAS $7,000. >> 7034. 
          >> OKAY AND YOU SAID THEY GENERATE ABOUT WHAT, .4. 
          >> ABOUT .44 THROUGH YOU A LEVELS OF SCHOOL. 
          >> SAID THE COST PER WORK IS 47,000. 
          >> PER STUDENT STATION. >> SO IF YOU DO THE MATH YOU SEE YOU'RE COMING OUT LOSING IF THAT'S WHAT I'M UNDERSTANDING 
          THIS PROPERLY. >> ARE YOU DONE? 
          YES, JOE. >> SORRY. 
          >> DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING ELSE? >> YES. 
          IT'S NOT JUST IMPACT FEES THAT WE GAIN. 
          WE ALSO GAIN THE TAX ADVANTAGE OF IT AND EVERYTHING ELSE, SO THE IMPACT FEES YES, THEY ARE A SINGLE FEE THAT THE DEVELOPER PAYS TO BUILD THAT. BUT OVER THE COURSE OF TIME WE 
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GAIN THE TAXES OF THAT TOO, AND ALL OF THAT CAPITAL FUND ALL THOSE CAPITAL FUNDS GO INTO THE BUILDING OF THE SCHOOLS. 
          BUILDING OF SCHOOLS COME FROM SEVERAL REVENUE SOURCES. 
          SOME WE CAN USE, SOME WE CAN TO THE. 
          THAUTS KINDS OF OUT OF MY WHEEL HOUSE THERE. 
          I'M JUST KIND OF TELL YOU THE LITTLE BIT OF KNOWLEDGE I DO HAVE ABOUT THAT WE HAVE TO GO TO THE CFO TO GET EXACTLY HOW 
          THAT'S BROKEN DOWN. >> THANK YOU. 
          >> SO, MY COMMENT IN THIS DISCUSSIONSI KNOW INDIVIDUALS THAT LIVE IN SOME OF THESE DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE 50 FOOT WITH LOTS. TO ME THEY'RE POTENTIALLY EVEN LESS THAN 50 FEET. I KNOW WHEN I GO TO AN INDIVIDUAL'S HOUSE THAT LIVES THERE, CAN I BARELY FIT MY CAR IN THE FRONT ON THE DRIVEWAY ON THE FRONT YARD WITHOUT IT BEING A LITTLE OVER ONTO THE NEIGHBOR'S YARD OR BLOCKING THE DRIVEWAY. I ALSO KNOW THAT THE DRIVEWAY LENGTH IF YOU PUT TWO CARS IN WITH A CAR UP AGAINST THE GARAGE THE SECOND CARR IS BLOCKING THE SIDE WALKED AND ALMOST INTO THE STREET AND I'M NOT TALKING RALPH SIZE CARS BECAUSE RALPH TALKS ABOUT THE BIG TRUCKS. I'M TALKING ABOUT AN SUV AND REGULAR SEDAN. THE OTHER POINT I'M TRYING TO MAKE IN THIS CONVERSATION IS REALSO HEAR ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING ALL THE TIME AND MICHAEL THIS IS NOT DISRESPECT TO YOU OR TO BILL BECAUSE I KNOW THESE WHERE YOU GUYS MAKE A LIVING AND EVERYTHING BUT YOU KNOW WHEN YOU HAVE A 50 FOOT LOT AND YOU BUILD A 2500 CUELLAR FOOT HOME ON A 50 BY 100 LOT IT'S ALL HOUSE THERE. 
          IS NO BACKYARD THERE. IS NO FRONT YARD. 
          THERE'S A VERY SHORT DRIVEWAY. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE COST IS TODAY PER SQUARE FOOT TO BUILD A BASIC HOUSE BUT I'M PRETTY SURE IT'S PROBABLY CLOSE TO 150, 160, MORE OR LESS SO DO THE MATH. 
          2500 SQUARE FEET IF IT'S $200 A SQUARE FOOT THAT'S WHAT THE COST THIS PARTICULAR HOUSE IS, HOW IS THAT AFFORDABLE? SOME ONE WOULD HAVE TO BE A HIGHER INCOME EARNER TO AFFORD THAT HOUSE. I WOULD LOVE TO SEE SOME KIND OF A CHART, SOMETHING WHERE SOMEBODY WOULD DEVELOP THIS AND SAY THIS IS WHAT AN AFFORDABLE HOUSE IS BETWEEN THIS INCOME LEVEL AN THIS INCOME NEVER. THIS IS AFFORDABLE BETWEEN THIS INCOME HAND THIS INCOME LEVEL SO WHEN BUILDERS SAY THEY WANT TO BUILD AFFORDABLE HOUSING BUILD SOMETHING PEOPLE CAN AFFORD. 
          >> WE ARE OUTSIDE THE WORLD WE ARE SUPPOSED IN, FIRST OF ALL I DON'T MAKE MY LIVING ON 50 FOOT LOTS. 
          >> I'M NOT BEING DISRESPECTFUL OF THE DEVELOPER. 
          >> RIGHT. THE AFFORDABILITY COMES WHEN BALDER BUYS A LOT IN MASTER PLAN COMMUNITY AND YOUR PRICE PER LYNN YAL FOOT OF FRONT DAMAGE IS TYPICALLY HOW THE LOT IS VALUED OR VALLEY WEIGHED ON A MASTER PLAN COMMUNITY SO WHEN YOU REDUCE THE LYNN YAL FRONT DAMAGE YOU'RE LOTS FOR LESS MONEY THAN A BIG ARE LOTS. IT'S NOT ON THE HOUSE. 
          IT'S NOT ON THE STRUCTURE THAT'S GOING TO BE BUILT. 
          IF THE HOMEOWNERS WANTS TO BUILD A HOUSE THAT'S A THOUSAND SQUARE 
          FEET THAT'S THEIR BUSINESS. >> I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT TRACTS. 
          >> RIVER TOWN HAS 40 AND 50 FOOT LOBTS AND IT'S BEAUTIFUL. 
          THEY HAVE AN ALLEYWAY COMMUNITIES. 
          I FEEL I HAVE TO LEAVE IT THERE BECAUSE WE'VE GONE DOWN THE RAN IT TRAIL ON THAT. MR. CHAIR. 
          >> I'VE HAD MY SAY. YOU GUYS HAVE HAD HEARD FROM ME 
          FOR YEARS ON IN. >> I JUST WANTS TO SHARE MY MY COMMENTS. YOU HAVE TO HAVE A DIVERSE MIXTURE OF LOTS SIZESES. HOW IS IT DIFFERENT IF YOU GO SEE YOUR FRIEND IN AN APARTMENT COMPLEX? 
          YOU GOT TO HUNT THEM OUT. >> ABSOLUTELY WE CAN'T CREATE THIS UTOPIAN WORLD WHERE WE ARE GOING TO HAVE PICKUP TRUCKS WHERE THEY'RE HITCHED INSIDE THE YARD EVERY SINGLE. 
          THAT FLIES IN THE FACE OF AFFORDABILITY AND YOU'RE RIGHT, I SHARED WITH YOU EARLY ON WHEN I WAS ON THE COMMISSION SOME LOTS THAT I HAD AN OPPORTUNITIES TO VISIT IN DEVELOPMENT. 
          THEY WERE 28 FOOT LOTS. I KNOW EVERYBODY FREAKED OUT. 
          HOW IS THAT DIFFERENT WHEN PUT FOUR TOWN HOMES TOGETHER? THAT LOT IS EVEN SMALLER SO I JUST THINK I DON'T THINK IT'S OUR PLACE. I GET WE HAVE A ROLE. 
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BRANNON FIELD IS 7 A PERCENT. I'M GOING TO BE OPPOSED TO 20 
          PERCENT LIMIT. >> OKAY. 
          ANY OTHER DISCUSS? I'M GOING TO ASK FOR A MOTION. 
          [INAUDIBLE] >> CAN I GET A SECOND FOR THAT? 
          >> I'LL SECOND. >> MARY WITH THE SECOND. 
          NO FURTHER DISCUSSION, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE STAFF REPORT STATE AYE. OPPOSED. 
          >> AYE, NAY, WHATEVER. >> IT'S 5-2 OH NO. 
          IT'S 4-3. MR. DAVIS AND MIKE BOURRE WERE NO IN THIS. ALL RIGHT. 
          >> HOW IS IT THAT LANCE DOESN'T VIDEO ON THAT? 
          >> IT'S NOT AN ACTUAL CHANGE IN ZONING DENSITY. 
          >> BACK DOOR CHANGES. >> SO, ITEM NUMBER 3 WAS WITHDRAWN. THAT WAS WITHDRAWN. 
          SO IT'S NOT IN FRONT OF US. ITEM 4 REALLY 4 AND A ARE THE SAME PARCEL. I WOULD LIKE TO DO -- WHO IS DOING -- YOU HAVE BOTH OF THESE MIKE. 
          >> YES. >> LET'S DO THE LAND USE FIRST. 
          >> THAT'S APPROPRIATE BECAUSE LAND USE ZONING HAS TO BE 
          CONSISTENT WITH THE LAND USE. >> I PRINTED IT OUT OF THE 
          PACKAGE ON THE WEB. >> SO I'M SORRY I WAS IN THE WRONG ORDER. OSSAI TELL NUMBER 4 IS THE THE 
          FUTURE LAND USE. >> ALL RIGHT, MR. CHAIRMAN. 
          [5.  Public Hearing to consider CPA-2022-15. (District 1, Comm. Cella) (M.Brown)]
NEXT ITEM, CPA 2022-15. IT'S A SMALL SCALE LAND USE CHALLENGE. THE SPLIKT TOWER 17 LLC ANTHONY [NAME] THE AGENT. 0.52 ACRES REQUEST TO CHANGE THE LAND USE FROM RURAL FRINGE TO COMMERCIAL. 
          PARCEL IS ON THE CHRIS GEORGE OF FLAMINA STREET AND HIGHWAY 17 IN DOCTOR'S INLET RIDGEWOOD PLANNING DISTRICT. 
          COMMISSION DISTRICT 1. THIS WILL GO BEFORE THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS NOVEMBER 22ND MEETING. 
          JUST SOME BACKGROUND AS I INDICATED THIS IS 5.52 ACRE PARCEL. IT IS LOCATED ON THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF U.S. HIGHWAY 17 IN FLEMING STREET. 
          PARCEL IS VACANT WITH ABOUT APPROXIMATELY 150 SQUARE FEET OF FRONT DAMAGE ON U.S. 17 AND 200 FIGHT OF FRONT DAMAGE ON FLEMING STREET FOR REFERENCE ON THE LOCATION, APPROXIMATELY 400 FEET SOUTH OF THE SUBJECT PARCEL, THERE ARE TWO ACRES THERE PRESENTLY DESIGNATED COMMERCIAL FUTURE LAND USE WHICH IS THE LOW IGS OF AN EXISTING COMMERCIAL RESTAURANT. 
          THERE IS A COMPANION REZONING CHANGE TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE. WE SHOW YOU THE EXISTING ZONING AND YOU CAN SEE, AND THE EXISTING FUTURE LAND IT'S OF THE PARCEL. I JUST BECAUSE I KNOW THERE HAS 
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BEEN SOME DISCUSSIONS RELATED TO PROXIMITY TO EXISTING COMMERCIAL USE USE. I WANT TO POINT OUT, YOU CAN SEE COMMISSIONER THE COMMERCIAL ZONING AN COMMERCIAL LAND USE IS JUST 400 FEET SOUTH OF THIS SITE. 
          THE SURROUNDING USES YOU HAVE NORTH AND SOUTH IMMEDIATELY SORT OR NORTH AND WEST SORT OF WRAPPING AROUND THE SITE IS HARBOR BAPTIST CLUTCH. ACROSS FLEMING STREET IS UNDEVELOPED COMMERCIAL AND ACROSS U.S. 17 IS RESIDENTIAL 
          DEVELOPMENT. >> MIKE YOU SAID UNDEVELOPED 
          COMMERCIAL THEN RESIDENTIAL. >> YES, I'M SORRY. 
          UNDEVELOPED RESIDENTIAL TO THE SOUTH. 
          COMPARING THE REQUESTED CHANGE IN LAND USE EXISTING RURAL FRINGE ALLOWS FOR MAXIMUM PER ACRE.F THREE DWELLING UNITS- AND FOR 0.52 ACRES THE MAXIMUM YOU GET IS ONE DWELLING UNITS WHICH IS CONSISTENT WITH OUR OTHER PLACES IN THE CODE WHICH ONLY ALLOW ONE REST DSHL UNITS PER PARCEL. 
          PROPOSAL KMAESHL ALLOWS FOR MAXIMUM AREA RAE SHOW OF 40 PERCENT THAT WOE EQUATE ON THIS PARCEL TO A MAXIMUM, NOT NECESSARILY WHAT WOULD BE BUILT BUT A MAXIMUM COULD BE BIT OF 9060 SQUARE FEET. HERE IS WHAT THE PROPOSED LAND IT'S WOULD LOOK LIKE SHOULD THIS REQUEST BE APPROVED. 
          AS I SAID THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CHANGE FROM RURAL FRINGE TO COMMERCIAL. FUTURE LAND USE POLICY, 148 STATES THAT SMALL SCALE AMENDMENTS DECEMBER NAIGTD TO BRING ADDITIONAL COMMERCIAL LAND USE ONTO THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP SHALL BE FURTHER LIMITED BESIDES THE STANDARD FOR SMALL SCALE TO MEETING INFIELD AND OR UNIFIED PLAN OF DEVELOPMENT. 
          THIS DOES NOT MEET THE CRITERIA FOR UNIFIED PLAN AND DEVELOPMENT. HOWEVER, INFILL UNDER THE POLICY 148 DEFINES THAT AS A PARCEL THAT'S LOCATED BETWEEN PARCELS WITH AN EXISTING WITHIN EXISTING DESIGNATION OF COMMERCIAL INSTITUTION AL AND OR INDUSTRIAL LAND USE WHICH ONE LOCATED ON THE SAME SIDE OF THE ROADWAY SERVING A PARCEL AND NO MORE THAN 500 FEET APART AS MEASURED AS THE ROAD RIGHT OF WAY. 
          FUTURE LAND USE POLICY 1.4.2 DEFINES INSTITUTIONAL USES TO INCLUDE WORSHIP AND RELATED FACILITIES. 
          AS I INDICATED PREVIOUSLY HARBOR BAPTIST CHURCH WHICH STAFF BELIEVES IS A WORSHIP RELATED FACILITY IS LOCATED HEDLEY ADJACENT TO THE NORTH AND WEST OF THE SUBJECT PARCEL. 
          THEREFORE, STAFF BELIEVES THE PROXIMITY OF THE PARCEL TO THE EXISTING PROPERTY ALREADY DESIGNATED COMMERCIAL WHICH WAS 400 FEET TO THE SOUTH AND THE ADJACENT INSTITUTIONAL WEATHER SHIP FACILITIES QUALIFIES PROPOSED PARCEL TO MEET THE INFILL REQUIREMENT. STAFF FINDS AND BELIEVES THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE GOALS OBJECTIVES AND POLICIES OF THE ADOPTED PLAN. STAFF BELIEVES THAT THE APPLICATION IS CAPABLE WITH THE SURROUNDING AREA ESPECIALLY WITH EXISTING CHURCH SURROUNDING THE SUBJECT PARCEL. 
          YOU'VE BEEN PROVIDED AND I WANT TO POINT OUT THE FLEDGE ISLAND CAC DID RECOMMEND AGAINST THE REQUESTED LAND USE CHANGE HOWEVER STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE COMP PLAN AMENDMENT TO AMEND THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP OF THIS SUBJECT PARCEL THAT IS 0.52 ACRES FROM RURAL FRINGE TO COMMERCIAL. 
          IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF AT THIS POINT. 
          >> SORRY FOR TAKING SO MUCH TIME TONIGHT. 
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I'M CURIOUS ABOUT THE FLEMING ISLAND CAC RECOMMENDED DENIAL. 
          >> I BELIEVE IT WAS -- DID THAT JUST COME OUT TONIGHT? 
          >> YOU WERE PROVIDES THAT. >> FOR THE RECORD WHY DID THE FLEMING CAC RECOMMEND DENIAL? IS SOMEBODY FROM THE CAC HERE 
          TONIGHT? >> OKAY, I'LL WAIT THEN. 
          I RETRACT MY QUESTION. >> ANYONE ELSE? OKAY. LET ME OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS ONE. I DO HAVE SOME CARDS. 
          SO I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. WE WILL START WITH THE APPLICANT 
          IF THEY'RE HERE. >> GOOD EVENING. 
          >> GOOD EVENING SIR NAME AND ADDRESS PLEASE. 
          >> MY NAME IS ANTHONY NAME [DRESS]. 
          >> I PREPARED A STATEMENT BECAUSE I GET NERVOUS SO I HOPE 
          YOU DON'T MIND IF I READ IT. >> GO AHEAD. 
          >> I'M THE OWNER OF THE SUBJECT PARCEL AND THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING KNEE TO COME BEFORE YOU FOR THIS REQUEST. 
          I'M ASKING FOR SMALL LAND USE CHANGE AND COMPANION ZONING TO ALLOW TO APPROPRIATE ZONING CHANGING IT FROM RESIDENTIAL TO COMMERCIAL. THE PLANS THAT I HAVE FOR THE SUBJECT PARCEL ARE TO BUILD AND OWN AN EMERGENCY VETERINARY CLINIC ON THE PARCEL. CURRENTLY, THERE ISN'T A CHIN NICK OUR AREA. IF AN ACCIDENT OCCURRED WITH LUCY OR WAFFLES ONE OF MY PETS, I WOULD HAVE TO TAKE THEM TO THE CLINIC ON SAN JOSÉ BOULEVARD OR THE NEXT CLOSEST ONE WOULD BE JACKSONVILLE BEACH. I HAVE PARTNERED WITH MY GOOD FRIEND DR. CRAIG PRICE WHO HAS OWNED AND OPERATED BLACK CREEK VETERINARY CLINIC SINCE 1987. HE'S HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE OF HIM. HE DISCUSSED THE NEED WITH ME ONE DAY AND AFTER LOOKING AROUND WE DECIDED THIS WOULD BE A GREAT FIT. THE PROPERTY IS EASILY FOUND AND WELL LOCATED TO EASILY SERVICE FLEMING . . .  AND EVEN ST. 
          JOHN'S COUNTY. THE PROPOSED BUILDING SIZE EGGS MADE TO BE AROUND 4,000 SQUARE FEET WILL FIT IN THE CONFINES OF THE LOT. ENTRY INTO THE FACILITY WILL BE FROM FLEMING STREET AND NOT FROM HIGHWAY 17. 
          WATER AND WEATHER IS UTILITIES ARE LOCATED ON THE FRONT DAMAGE, THE STORM WATER AN PARKING AREA WILL BE DESIGNED TO MEET ALL LOCAL STATE AN FEDERAL REQUIREMENTS. 
          I HAVE SPOKEN A FEW TIMES WITH PASTOR CHESTER WHO IS HERE TONIGHT'S AS WELL WHO IS THE PASTOR OF HARBOR BAPTIST CHURCH AND INFORMED HIM ABOUT OUR PLANS. 
          HE WAS ENCOURAGING, HAS BEEN GREAT TO TALK TO WORK WITH AND HE DIDN'T HAVE ANY ISSUE WITH OUR PROPOSAL, ALTHOUGH TONIGHT'S HE PULLED ME TO THE SIDE AND ASKED ABOUT FENCING AND I WOULD THAT WOULD ABSOLUTELY BE NOT A PROBLEM. 
          ANYTHING THAT THE PASTOR NEEDS IS N ISSUE WITH US AND HE'S BEEN GREAT. SO I SIMPLY ASK FOR YOUR APPROVAL OF THESE APPLICATIONS BECAUSE I BELIEVE THEY WOULD BE A GREAT FIT AND PROVIDE A NEEDED SERVICE FOR AREA AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE INTO ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? MR. MORGAN. 
          >> JUST A QUICK ONE. HAVE YOU SAT DOWN WITH THE SATURDAYS DOWN WITH THE FLELG ISLAND SIT SIN ADVISORY 
          COMMITTEE TO DISCUSS THIS WELL? >> NO, SIR. 
          UNFORTUNATELY THEY MET LAST WEEK AND THEY MET ON WEDNESDAY I BELIEVED AND I WAS TOLD ABOUT THE MEETING AROUND 5:30 IN THE AFTERNOON SO I MISSED THE MEETING. 
          I DID READ THEIR ANALYSIS. I WOULD DIFFER FROM THEIR OPINION. IT'S JUST THEY REFERENCE THE FLEMING ISLAND PLAN WHICH I'M NOT SURE WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT, BUT NO, I DID NOT ATTEND I. I DID NOT SPEAK TO ANYBODY. 
          >> THANK YOU. >> ANYONE ELSE? 
          >> GO AHEAD. >> FROM THE CAC PERSPECTIVE? 
          >> WE HAD THE CAC GUY HERE. >> WE HAVE A CAC REP. 
          >> ALSO, MY COMMENTS. >> THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. WE MAY HAVE MORE QUESTIONS LATER. THE CAC, SIR, WANT TO COME UP AND TELL US? WEIGH GOT YOUR LETTER OR ANN'S 
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LETTER BUT WE WOULD LIKE TO HEAR YOUR OPINION ON THIS AS WELL. 
          >> I'M TOM SCHNEIDER. I'M ON THE FLEDGE ISLAND ADVISORY COMMITTEE, ORIGINAL OWNER OF PIERCE CREEK FOR 35 YEARS. ANYWAY, REGARDING THE PROPERTY. 
          >> MR. SCHNEIDER PULL THAT MIC UP. 
          WE ARE NOT PICKING UP UP WELL. >> THERE'S A SITE MAP AND THERE'S ALSO A MAP SHOWING ROUTE 17 GOING NORTH-SOUTH. 
          SO, IF YOU'RE GOING SOUTH ON 17, ALMOST ALL THE BUILDINGS ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE IS ALMOST ALL RESIDENTIAL EXCEPT FOR WHEN YOU GET DOWN TO THE PUBLIX SHOPPING CENTER WHICH IS ZONED COMMERCIAL. THE PROPERTY FROM 17 TO PINE AND ALSO TO THE RIVER ALL THAT IS ALL RESIDENTIAL AND GOING SOUTH ON 17 YOU HAVE A MILE AND A HALF OR TWO MILES OF COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES ON CHURCH LANE. EAST-WEST PARKWAY THERE'S COMMERCIAL PLOT. OKAY. 
          THOSE ARE TWO. YOU GO SOUTH FROM EAST WEST PARKWAY THE NEXT 2-3 MILES YOU GOT THREE CLUTCHES. 
          YOU GO TO THE NEXT INTERSECTION THERE'S TWO OTHER CHURCHES. 
          IF YOU LOOK AT A MAP, ALL ON THE WEST SIDE OF 17, IS ALL RESIDENTIAL. SOME OF THE THINGS WE HAD DISCUSSED WAS THE AVAILABILITY STILL OF COMMERCIAL PROPERTY ON FLEDGE ISLAND, THERE STILL IS VACANCIES. 
          YOU LOOK AT THE, ALL THE ZONING AND ALL THE BUILDING THAT HAS TAKEN PLACE IN THE LAST 30-35 YEARS YOU CAN SEE THE GAME PLAN YOU MIGHT SAY OF THE ZONE AND ADHERING TO IT, AND YOU CAN SEE THE RESULT. WE ARE REPRESENTING THE COMMUNITY ON MOST OF THESE AREAS THAT COME UP FOR DISCUSSION ON REZONING. WE HAVE TO BE VERY CAREFUL. 
          IF YOU REZONE THEM RESIDENTIAL TO COMMERCIAL ON SAY ONE PIECE OF PROPERTY, THE NEXT THING YOU KNOW YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE MORE PEOPLE ON THE LOT, THE MORE THEY'RE GOING TO INTEGRATE COMMERCIAL PROPERTY IN WITH RESIDENTIAL. 
          OUR CONTENTION IS THAT THERE IS ALTERNATIVES. 
          HAVING TO REZONE SOMETHING FROM THE RESIDENTIAL TO COMMERCIAL. 
          BECAUSE UNLESS YOU LOOK AT OTHER COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES THAT ARE AVAILABLE ON THE ISLAND, THERE IS I THINK THOSE WERE SOME OF THE MAIN POINTS THAT WERE DISCUSSED AND I APPRECIATE YOUR LISTENING TO SOME OF THE VIEWS AND SOME OF THE THINGS WE HAD COME UP WITH AND AS A RESULT I THINK AT THIS POINT WE ARE KIND 
          OF NEGATIVE ON THIS. >> OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. 
          >> THANKS. THERE ARE ACTUALLY TWO ISSUES WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH HERE. ONE IS FIRST THE LAND USE AND THEN ABOUT THE ZONING. I THINK MOST OF YOUR COMMENTS WERE PROBABLY GOING TO KPOVR BOTH AND THAT'S OKAY. 
          IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A TECHNICALITY SO THE FIRST CARD I 
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HAVE IS PAM FLETCHER COME ON UP. AFTER HER IS GOING TO BE ANGELA 
          WEBER. >> HI. 
          >> PULL THAT UP. >> HI. 
          MY NAME IS PAM FLETCHER. I LIVE AT 1250 FLEMING. 
          THE PLACE THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT PUTING THIS IS RIGHT UP ABOVE WHERE I LIVE. I DON'T THINK THAT THAT'S A GREAT PLACE TO PUT ANYTHING THE IT'S ALL RESIDENTIAL THERE. 
          THERE'S KIDS IN THE AREA. I DON'T KNOW WHAT HE WAS TALKING ABOUT THERE'S NO ANIMAL PLACES, RIGHT ACROSS FROM GARBER THERE'S AN ANIMAL HOSPITAL. THERE'S ANOTHER ONE SLIGHTLY DOWN FROM THERE SO THERE ARE PLACES FOR THE ANIMALS AND I'M NOT SURE WHERE HE'S TALKING ABOUT THEY'RE NOT THERE. 
          MY SON LIVES ON FLOYD STREET. THERE'S ALWAYS TRAFFIC COMING IN AND OUT OF THERE YOU HAVE THE CHURCHES THERE. 
          IT CREATES A LOT OF TRAFFIC. THEY'RE ALWAYS COMING DOWN THE STREETS TURNING AN GOING AROUND. YOU COME OUT ON A SUNDAY I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF YOU GOES TO THE CLUTCHES THERE. 
          DID YOU EVER SEE HOW IT GETS BLOCK OFF AND BACKED UP? WHERE ARE THEY GOING TO GO? SO THEN YOU ADD ANOTHER COMMERCIAL PLACE THERE. SUDDENLY THERE'S MORE TRAFFIC AND MORE IN THERE. NOT A FAN OF ALL THIS. 
          IT'S ALL RESIDENTIAL. MY SON HAS CALLED IT THE ILLUSION AREA BECAUSE COMMENCED FROM ONE SIDE YOU HAVE WALMART ALL THAT DOWN THERE. YOU GO THE OTHER WAY TEN MINUTES AND YOU COME INTO GREEN COVE. THERE'S SO AND PLACES THEY COULD PUT ANYTHING THEY DON'T NEED TO ENCROACH ON A RESIDENTIAL AREA. 
          SRRY. I'VE HAD A COLD. 
          THAT'S MY OPINION ON IT AND THAT'S HOW WE FEEL ABOUT IT DOWN THERE. I HAVE GRANDKIDS FOUR OF WHICH ARE CATCHING THE BUSES AND STUFF THERE. 
          I CONTINUE WANT THEM AND THE OTHER KIDS, YOU KNOW, WITH MORE TRAFFIC. WE DON'T NEED IT. 
          I DON'T APPROVE OF IT. HOWEVER, I KNOW THINGS ARE NEEDED. I HAD ANIMALS MYSELF AND I APPRECIATE THAT THEY'RE TAKEN CARE OF BUT THERE ARE PLACES THERE TWO OF WHICH ONLY RIGHT DOWN THE ROAD THAT ARE AVAILABLE THAT YOU DO NOT NEED TO HAVE ANOTHER VETERINARY CLINIC AT. 
          SO THAT'S WHAT HE WAS SAYING THERE. 
          THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU MA'AM. 
          ANGELA WEBER. >> GOOD EVENING AND THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK. I'M ANGELA WEBER. 
          I'M A PROPERTY OWNER FOURTH GENERATION PROPERTY OWNER AND RESIDENTS AT 1259 FLEMING STREET I'M VERY PROUD OF ANY FAMILY'S LONG HISTORY IN THE AREA. I WILL TELL YOU THAT I AGRICULTURE UP IN THE AREA SO MY MOTHER GRANDMOTHER AND GREAT-GRANDFATHER AND AFTER HIGH SCHOOL I LEFT I JOINED THE AIR FORCE AND I TRAVEL. I LIVED OVERSEAS. 
          I'VE LIVED IN ALL THE BIG CITIES. 
          I'VE LIVED IN NEW YORK ATLANTA AND I TELL YOU I CAME HOME TO MY ROOTS TO LIVE THE COUNTRY LIFESTYLE. 
          I BROUGHT MY FIVE BOYS HOME TO LIVE THE COUNTRY LIFESTYLE. 
          I'VE LIVED IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD FROM ELBOW TO ELBOW THAT HAVE STORES RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET. WE DON'T WANT TO LIVE THAT WAY. 
          IF WE DID I WOULD HAVE PURCHASED A HOME IN THOSE NEIGHBORHOOD'S. 
          I'M PERFECTLY ABLE TO AFFORD THOSE HOMELESS IN THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS. WE LIKE OUR RURAL NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          AND I WILL TELL YOU THAT I FEEL LIKE THE APPLICANT MISLED THE BOARD WHEN HE STATED THE CLOSEST ANIMAL E.R. IS ON SAN JOSÉ. 
          THAT IS NOT TRUE. THE CLOSEST ANIMAL E.R. IS ON CORPORATE WAY, WHICH IS LOCATED DIRECTLY BEHIND THE HARLEY DAVIDSON SHOP ON WELLS ROAD. I KNOW I'VE TAKEN MY ANIMALS THERE. THAT WAS VERY MISLEADING AN NOT NICE. THERE'S ANOTHER ANIMAL CLINIC LESS THAN A HALF MILE. IT LIES BETWEEN FLEMING STREET AND THE PUBLIX ON HIBERNIA ROAD. I DON'T KNOW THE NAME OF IT. 
          I DON'T RECALL WHAT THE NAME WAS. 
          I DOING THINK WE NEED TWO VETERINARY CLINICS WITHIN SUCH A ENCLOSE PROXIMITY. WE WOULD LIKE TO MAINTAIN OUR RESIDENTIAL FEEL OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          I HAVE FIVE BOYS. THEY RIDE THEIR BIKES 
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SKATEBOARDS ROLLER SKATES. I LIKE TO HAVE THE PEACE OF MIND KNOWING MY KID CAN WALK DOWN TO THE MAILBOX AND NOT HAVE TO WORRY THEY'RE GOING TO GET RUN OVER BY A SPEEDING CAR AND MY CONCERN IS THE TRAFFIC. HE STATED THE INGRESS AN EGRESS FOR THIS PROPOSED ANIMAL CLINIC IS GOING TO BE ON THEM STREET THAT THE MEANS VEHICLES EXITING THE ANIMAL CHIN WICK THE INTENTION TO GO NORTHBOUND WOULD MORE THAN LIKELY COME WESTERLY ON FLEMING STREET THEN HEAD UP TO FLOYD OR CLAY STREET TO ACCESS U.S. 17. THAT'S GOING TO BRING A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC INTO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD OUR QUIET NEIGHBORHOOD. OKAY. 
          NOW ANOTHER THING I WANT TO MENTION IS THAT WE ALREADY HAVE ENOUGH TRAFFIC. IT'S ALREADY DIFFICULT ENOUGH TO GET OUT OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE IN 1996 THE STATE CLOSED OFF THE MEDIAN THAT ALLOWS ACCESS FROM NORTHBOUND 17 ONTO FLEMING STREET. SO YOU HAVE TO EITHER COME DOWN CLAY OR FLOYD AND WE ALSO HAVE THE CATHOLIC CHURCH LESS THAN A QUARTER MILE AWAY. IF YOU ATTEND THE CATHOLIC CHURCH OR YOU'VE BEEN IN THE AREA WHEN THE APPRECIATORS IN ARE LEAVING THE SERVICE YOU WILL KNOW THAT AND OF THEM COME SOUTHBOUND ON U.S. 17 TO MAKE A U-TURN AT CLAY STREET AND THAT 
          IS ALREADY PROBLEMATIC. >> I'M GOING TO ASK YOU TO WIND 
          IT UP IF YOU WOULD PLEASE. >> THE TRAFFIC IS THE CONCERN. 
          WE JUST CAN'T HAVE IT. IT'S A HARD NO. 
          WE HAD A LOT OF RESIDENTS WANTED TO COME BUT WERE NOT ABLE TO DUE TO THE 5:00 TIME. THAT'S A CONCERN AS WELL. 
          I HAD 7 PEOPLE THAT WANT TO MAKE IT BUT DUE TO FAMILY AN WORK OBLIGATIONS. THE 7:00 WOULD HAVE BEEN MUCH BETTER. WE COULD HAVE HAD MORE REPRESENTATION FOR THOSE AGAINST IT SO THIS IS A VERY HARD NO. 
          WE DOWN WANT THIS IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AT ALL. 
          >> OKAY. THANK YOU. 
          NEXT IS WARREN CHESSER. [INAUDIBLE] 
          >> THANK YOU. AARON HODGE. 
          >> GOOD EVENING EVERYONE. I'LL BE HONEST AND SAY I'M NOT SURE HOW MANY 24 HOUR VETERINARIAN SERVICE ARE IN THAT IMMEDIATE AREA. I'M NOT SURE AND I DO THINK IT'S COMMENDABLE BUT WE DO HAVE MULTIPLE VETERINARY SERVICES IN THAT AREA. MY MAIN CONCERN, I'M ON 1031 I'M SO CLOSE TO 17 I CAN HEAR EVERYTHING I CAN SEE EVERYTHING. 
          IF NOT EVERY DAY, ALMOST EVERY DAY, I WORK FROM HOME. 
          I'M HEARING HORNS, SPEEDING ON 17 WHEN PEOPLE ARE PUSHING THOSE HORNS I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT AREA THAT'S COMING FROM. 
          THAT'S COME FROM FLOYD STREET. YOU HAVE MAKING MAKING LEFT. 
          YOU HAVE PEOPLE MAKING RIGHT. YOU HAVE PEOPLE MAKING U-TURNS. 
          THERE HAVE BEEN ACCIDENTS IN THAT AREA. 
          ADDING A RESIDENTIAL BUSINESS WOULD INCREASE TRAFFIC IN THAT AREA BECAUSE THE ONLY WAY THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO GO BACK NORTH ON 17 IS MAKING U-TURN AT FLOYD STREET WHERE THAT AREA IS ALREADY PROBLEMATIC. SO THAT IS MY MAIN CONCERN RIGHT THERE. THE SECOND ONE IS 220 AND NORTH 17 LIKE YOU'RE GOING TO THE TOWN OF ORANGE PARK THERE IS PLENTY OF ALREADY COMMERCIAL ZONED AREAS THAT THAT BUSINESS COULD GO IN. AND EVEN WHEN YOU COME OUT OF FLEMING, THERE'S PLENTY OF LAND RIGHT THERE THAT BUSINESS COULD GO IN SO THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES FOR THAT BUSINESS. 
          I JUST HIGHLY BELIEVE THAT AREA SHOULD SAY RESIDENTIAL. 
          THAT'S ALL I HAVE. >> I'M SORRY MA'AM COULD YOU JUST STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS? 
          I THINK WE PROPERTY THAT. >> ERIN HODGE. 
          [INAUDIBLE] >> THANK YOU MA'AM. 
          >> NATALIE ELLENBURG. NAME AND ADDRESS PLEASE. 
          >> MY NAME IS NATALIE ELLENBERG. I'M THE HOUSE THAT IS JUST SOUTH OF THAT SITE, SURROUNDING ON THREE SIDES BY WOODS AND THEN THERE'S ME ON FLOYD STREET. WE ARE LIVING THERE BECAUSE I AM A HOSPICE NURSE THAT WORKS NIGHTS AND I COVER 18 COUNTIES 
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AND MY HUSBAND WORKS FOR THE RAILROAD FOR 26 YEARS. 
          HE WORKS NIGHTS ALSO. MY CONCERN WAS THAT SOMEONE BOUGHT THE PROPERTY THOSE TWO BIG LOTS CLOSEST TO 17 TORE DOWN THE WOODS AND THEN DESERTED IT AND RESOLD IT WHEN THEY FOUND OUT THAT THE ONLY PLACE THEY COULD PUT A DRIVEWAY IN WAS ACROSS FROM CORKY BELL'S WHICH SPECIAL DELICIOUS EVERY DAY THAT COMES WAPTING TO MY FRONT. SO NOW WE HAVE NO WOODS AS A BUFFER SO AGAIN, I AGREE WITH THESE LADIES. 
          I THINK IT'S DANGEROUS TO HAVE MORE TRAFFIC COMING INTO THAT LOCATION. IT'S EVEN MORE DANGEROUS TO HAVE THEM COMING ONTO THAT STREET. AND AS FAR AS WORKING FROM HOME, I HEAR THE MOTORCYCLES THE POLICE THE ACCIDENT, EVERY CAR THAT COMES OUT OF CORKY BELL'S, I CAN IDENTIFY THEM. 
          I CAN'T SLEEP. I'M A HOSPICE NURSE AND I MAY NEED A JOB WITH ANTHONY [INDISTINCT] BECAUSE IF SOMETHING IS BUILT THERE I WON'T BE ABLE TO DO MY JOB ANYMORE BUT I DO AGREE WITH MS. POLICE CHIEFER MISS WEAVER MISS HODGE AND I'M SORRY HARBOR BAPTIST CHURCH IF THEY'RE OKAY WITH IT BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S A GOOD SITE. 
          I DO KNOW THERE'S A VET ACROSS THE STREET AND I KNOW THAT PET PARADISE IS AT THE END OF THE ROAD ON HIBERNIA AND 17. 
          WHETHER HE OFFERS SPECIAL SERVICES OR NOT THAT'S PHENOMENAL BUT I STILL DON'T THINK THAT'S THE BEST LOCATION. 
          DO I SEE KIDS WALKING HOME FROM SCHOOL GETTING OFF AT THE BUS STOP AND IF THERE'S MORE NOISE AND MORE TRAFFIC COMING INTO THAT LOCATION, I'M GOING TO LOSE IT. 
          NO, WE NEED OUR SLEEP AND WE BOUGHT THAT PROPERTY BECAUSE WE AGAIN, MY HUSBAND IS A NATIVE JACKSONVILLE FLORIDIAN, I'M SORRY AND HE WANTED TO GET OUT OF THE COUNTRY. 
          WE WANTED TO BE WE STILL LOVE ISLAND BUT WE BOUGHT THAT PROPERTY BECAUSE OF THE BUFFER THAT NOW IS GONE AND I BELIEVE WITH OTHER TRAFFIC I'LL GOING TO BE TOO MUCH AND THEY'RE RIGHT, WE ALREADY HAVE A BACKUP. I CAN'T GET OUT. 
          THE MAKE A LEFT AND IT'S HARD BECAUSE WE CAN'T CROSS OVER. 
          IT DOESN'T OPEN UP ON EACH ROAD. THEY EITHER HAVE TO COME DOWN TO MY ROAD WHICH IS ALREADY BACKED UP. 
          >> I'M GOING TO ASK YOU TO WRAP IT UP. 
          >> OKAY. I'M DONE. 
          I AGREE WITH THESE LADIES AND I'M SORRY ANTHONY. 
          >> THANK YOU. I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER CARDS. 
          ANYBODY ELSE WANT TO SPEAK ON THIS, ANYBODY OUT THERE? OKAY. WE NEED YOUR NAME AN ADDRESS. 
          >> DR. CRAIG PRICE 3989 WEST GREEN COVE SPRINGS. 
          I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SOME COMMENTS AND HOPEFULLY CLARIFY SOME THINGS, THE IDEA AND THE GOAL WAS ONE BEING COST EFFECTIVE LOOK AT MOM OF DIFFERENT PROPERTIES ALREADY. 
          THIS WAS GOING TO BE COST EFFECTIVE OPTION. 
          2, THE IDEA IS TO BE A VETERINARIAN EMERGENCY CLINIC. 
          THERE ARE NONE IN CLAY COUNTY AT THIS TIME. 
          I OWN THE ONLY ONE FOR 25 YEARS ON CORPORATE WAY, AND IT SOLD TO A CORPORATION AND THEY SHUT THE DOORS ON THAT SO THERE IS NOT A CURRENT EMERGENCY VERMONT FAR I CLINIC TO SERVE THE NEEDS. 
          THE IDEA IS WE ARE OPEN AT NIGHT, AND IT WOULD BE MINIMAL TRAFFIC COMPARED TO ANOTHER GUY DOING A CHIN NICK MIDDLEBURG AND WE ARE BUSY BUT THE CLINIC WOULD BE SERVING EMERGENCY NEEDS AT NIGHT AND AGAIN WHICH WE DON'T HAVE, SO I DON'T THINK IT WOULD AFFECT THE TRAFFIC MUCH AT ALL AND THERE WOULD NOT BE TRAFFIC USUALLY AT THAT TIME AND 2 THERE'S NO OR FACILITY IN CLAY COUNTY THAT WOULD SERVE THESE NEEDS SO IF THERE'S ANY OTHER 
          QUESTIONS I CAN ANSWER. >> I THINK YOU COVERED IT. 
          THANK YOU. I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. AND BRING IT BACK TO THE BOARD FOR DISCUSSION. GO AHEAD. 
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          >> WAS THERE ANY OTHER OPTION DIFFERENT ZONING FOR THAT PARTICULAR AREA OTHER THAN V.A.? THAT'S WHAT THEY GD. 
          SO IS THERE ANYTHING MORE LIMITING? I CAN UNDERSTAND WHY AFTER READING THE NOTES FROM THE CAC WHY THEY'RE PRETTY MUCH OBJECTING TO THIS. 
          WHAT OTHER OPTION WOULD THERE BE THAT WOULD BE MORE LIMITING THAN 
          THE B.A.? >> I THINK I CAN ANSWER THAT. 
          >> GO AHEAD. >> I THINK THROUGH A PCD. 
          SO, BUT THAT'S NOT IS BEFORE US. >> I UNDERSTAND THAT. 
          >> THAT'S WHERE PET CLINICS FALL NATURALLY IS INTO B.A. BUT ALSO AS THE CAC STATED IT'S AN OPENING ZONING. 
          >> THAT'S THE ISSUE. >> I LIKE IF YOU GUYS DON'T MIND, TO HEAR YOUR COMMENTS ON THIS AND I THINK IF YOU WOULD, SINCE YOU KNOW THE HISTORY BETTER THAN I DO. 
          TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE FLEMING ISLAND PLAN. 
          YOU KNOW, HOW THE IDEA WAS TO HAVE THE VILLAGE CENTER AND ALL 
          OF THAT AND DRIVE WAYS. >> I GOT A 20 PAGE THESIS ON THIS SO CAN I SIT BACK AN ENJOY THE RIDE. 
          IN 1979 THE BOARD COUNTY COMMISSIONERS FROM CLAY COUNTY WANTED AN ADVISORY GROUP TO BASICALLY IDENTIFY FLEMING ISLAND AS A PLANNING DISTRICT. AND WHAT CAUSED IT ALL IS MY LIVING HERE WAS MOSTLY FIRESTORM OF DEVELOPMENT ON BLANDING BOULEVARD THAT WAS UNCONTROLLABLE AND STILL UNCONTROLLABLE SO THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS SELECTED, THEY DON'T FIRST SENDING TO IT THE CLAY COUNTY COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THEN THEY ALSO ESTABLISHED THE FLEMING ADVISORY COMMITTEE WHICH I SERVED ON 35 YEARS AND TOM HAS PROBABLY BEEN ON IT 20 YEARS. I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY BUT THE PURPOSE OF THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE WAS TO PROVIDE INPUT AN CREATE A DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR FLEMING ISLAND. 
          ONCE THE PLAN WAS AND TO DO THAT WE HAD TO GO OUT AND SURVEY THE ENTIRE ISLAND AND IDENTIFY EVERY PIECE OF ZONE PROPERTY, HOW IT WAS ZONED AND EVERYTHING ELSE WHEN WE CREATED THE MAP. 
          I'M SURE YOU HEARD ABOUT THE MAP. 
          THAT WAS PRESENTED TO THE BOARD. THE BOARD APPROVED THAT PLAN AND IT WAS ADOPTED AND BROUGHT INTO THE CLAY COUNTY COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU DO TO BRANNON FIELD OR LAKE ASBURY. 
          IT'S PLAN. THE BASIC PREMISE OF THE PLAN WAS WE WOULD CREATE A TOWNER IS -- TOWN CENTER CONSISTENT WITH THE CLAY COUNTY COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. 
          AS A MATTER OF FACT IF YOU LOOK AT COMMERCIAL PORTION OF THE CLAY COUNTY COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IT SPECIFICALLY STATES THE LOCATION OF COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT SHOULD BE CONCENTRATED AT MAJOR INTERSECTIONS WITHIN CENTERS OF PLANNED COMMUNITIES. DEVELOPMENT SHALL CREATE A COMMERCIAL KNOW AN NOT A STRIP. SO, THE PLAN WAS DEVELOPED AROUND THAT. THE COMMERCIAL EMPHASIS WAS ON CANYON ROAD 220 AND 17D AND AS YOU MOVED AWAY FROM THAT INTERSECTION IT BECAME LESS INTENSE ALSO IN OTHER WORDS WE WANT INTO INDUSTRIAL THEN MULTI-FAMILY THEN INTO SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES UNTIL WE GOT TOUT END OF THE ISLAND. 
          EVERYTHING DOWN THERE WAS ZONED FOR OR WAS LEFT AS RESIDENTIAL. 
          CORKY BELL'S SAN EXCEPTION DOWN THERE BECAUSE CORKY BELL'S THAT PARCEL WAS DOWN THERE BEFORE 1979 SO IT RETAINED ITS DESTINATION. IT WASN'T SOMETHING THAT BOOM WAS THERE. IT WASN'T CORKY BELL'S BACK THERE. WAIT PROBABLY BUBBA'S FISH SHACK OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT WHEN IT WAS CREATED. 
          THE SHOP IS ON THE OTHER SIDE. >> WE ARE NOT HAVING THAT 
          DISCUSSION. >> THE BOTTOM LINE IS IT WAS 
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THERE PRIOR TO THE CREATION OF THE PLAN. 
          SO, THE PLAN IS JUST AS I STATED. 
          IT'S SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN APPROVED BY THE COUNTY. 
          IT'S PART OF CLAY COUNTY COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND IT DOES NOT LIKE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT ANYWHERE OUTSIDE OF 220 AND 17. 
          THE PROBLEM WITH WHAT YOU'RE SAYING ABOUT INFILL IS TRUE. 
          I MEAN THERE IS THE CHURCH WHICH AN INSTITUTIONAL AND THEN CORKY BELL'S WHICH HAS BEEN THERE SINCE IT WAS CREATED AND THERE'S ONLSZ ABOUT 300 FEET IN BETWEEN THEM SO TECHNICAL LIYA THEY COULD MAKE THAT COMMERCIAL BUT NOTHING SAYS IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT IT HAS TO BE COMMERCIAL. 
          AND IT'S PROBABLY LEFT THAT WAY BECAUSE IT'S MORE THAN JUST THE DISTANCE BETWEEN TWO COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES WHETHER OR NOT INFILL DESERVES THE SAME CATEGORY. THINGS LIKE WHAT IS THE CONSISTENCY OF THE OTHER PART OF THE AREA DOWN THERE, WHICH IS RESIDENTIAL. THESE PEOPLE HERE HAVE EXPRESSED THAT SPECIFICALLY. THE OTHER THING IS THE ZONING YOU'RE REQUESTING, B.A. THE ONLY B.A. PIECES WE HAVE ARE UP AROUND PAIGS ISLAND. THEY'RE THAT WAY AND YOU SEE 
          WHAT YOU GET. >> THE OTHER THING ABOUT IT, ONCE THAT PARCEL IS B.A., THOSE TWO PARCELS ARE CLEAR CUT, GUARANTEE IN SIX MONTHS YOU'LL HAVE ANOTHER APPLICATION IN THERE FOR B.A. AND LO AND BE HOLD SOME OF THESE RESIDENTS WILL STEP OUT OF THEIR HOME AND WALK INTO A CONVENIENCE STORE AND WHATEVER THEY DECIDE TO BUILD THERE. 
          IN SUMMARY, THIS IS INAPPROPRIATE. 
          IT'S NOT CONSISTENT WITH FLEDGE ISLAND PLAN. 
          IT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE CLAY COUNTY PLAN AND IT'S CERTAINLY NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE ENVIRONMENT DOWN THERE AS FAR AS THAT GOES. SO, I ENCOURAGE YOU TO NOT LET THIS GET THROUGH BECAUSE IT WOULD RUIN THAT PART OF THE -- A LOT OF THOSE PEOPLE HAVE LIVED DOWN THERE SINCE FLEMING ISLAND WAS IDENTIFIED AS AN ISLAND. THE LAILD I HAS HAD FOUR GENERATIONS. I'VE DRIVEN IN THERE AND IT'S THE LAST BASTION OF COUNTRY LIVING ON FLEDGE ISLAND. 
          >> I HAVE SOME COMMENTS TO MAKE. DO YOU HAVE ANY? OKAY. PETE IS CORRECT. 
          IT PREDATES ANY TIME THAT I SPENT IN PLANNING BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT WE REMEMBER THIS IS PLANNING AND FLEMING ISLAND RESIDENTS SPEND A LOT OF TIME IN THE 70S WORKING WITH THE COUNTY TO COME UP WITH THAT PLAN. WE HAVE TO BE VERY, VERY, VERY CAREFUL WITH THIS. BECAUSE THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS TO OUR MASTER PLANS. IT'S WHAT CAN HAPPEN OR IN SOME PLACES HAS ON FLEMING ISLAND. IT'S LITERALLY DEATH BY A THOUSAND CUTS. THERE'S A PLAN IN PLACE THAT WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT AS THE PLANNING COMMISSION THAT TO CHANGE IT SHOULD BE SOME HUGE ISSUE HAS COME UP. 
          I'M GOING TO DISAGREE WITH STAFF A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE CHURCHES. 
          I KNOW THAT THEY KIND OF DEFINED AS INSTITUTIONAL USES BUT THE FACT IS THE LAND THEY SIT ON IS RURAL FRINGE AND IT'S PS-1 ZONING SO NOTHING CAN GO THERE BUT A CHURCH AND TO CALL THAT A COMMERCIAL SITE OR MAKE IT EQUIVALENT TO A COMMERCIAL SITE I THINK IS NOT GOOD REASONING. MOST ALL OF THE COMMERCIAL IT'S ON, I MEAN DRIVE DOWN BLANDING, DRIVE DOWN 17. 
          WHICH ONE ROAD WOULD YOU RATHER BE ON? 
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THE REASON 17 DOESN'T LOOK LIKE BLANDING IS BECAUSE OF THIS PLAN THAT WAS PUT IN PLACE TO KEEP THE COMMERCIAL OFF OF 17, KEEP IT AT THAT INTERSECTION. MOST OF THE PARCELS THAT YOU WILL SEE ON 17 THAT ARE COMMERCIAL, THE MOTORCYCLE SHOP, THE RESTAURANT, AND OTHERS THOSE WERE ALREADY COMMERCIAL BEFORE THE PLANNING ON PHLEGM ISLAND HAPPENED. 
          THE IDEA WAS FOR THOSE TO NEVER GROW TO NEVER GET ANY LARGER AND WE HAVE TO BE COMING NANT OF THAT FACT BECAUSE THE OTHER PLACE WE ARE GOING SEE IT, I GUARANTEE IS COMING HERE HERE IS COUNTY ROAD 220 ALL THE WAY TO WHITEY'S IS INSIDE THIS PLAN AREA AND THERE ARE PARCELS ON 220 THAT ARE EXPOSED TO STAY RESIDENTIAL SOME OF THEM ARE FOR SALE RIGHT NOW AND SOMEBODY'S GOING TO GO IN THERE AND WANT THEM TO BE COMMERCIAL AND THEY WERE ALWAYS PLANNED TO BE RESIDENTIAL AS THEY ARE ON ONE SIDE OF THAT ROAD ALREADY. SO, I DON'T THINK THIS IS RIGHT. 
          I UNDERSTAND. IN FACT I USE THAT CLINIC OFF WELLS ROAD AND I'M SORRY TO HEAR THAT IT'S CLOSED BECAUSE I WOULD HAVE GONE THERE IF I NEEDED IT AGAIN BUT IT'S THE WRONG LOCATION. WE SHOULD NOT BE LOOKING AT CHANGING THIS RESIDENTIAL LAND TO COMMERCIAL. 
          THIS CLINIC BELONGS IN GREEN COVE. 
          IT BELONGS UP AT THE VILLAGE CENTER. 
          THERE'S A LOT OF COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES ON 17 NORTH OF 220. 
          AND PETE IS ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. THIS ONE HAPPENS, THE ONE NEXT TO IT IS GOING TO HAPPEN AND PRETTY SOON WE TURN 17 BACK INTO BLANDING. THAT'S MY THOUGHTS ON IT AND I THINK THE PURPOSE OF ITS GREAT. WE NEED A VETERINARIAN CLINIC BUT NOTHING SAYS WE NEED IT ON THIS SITE. 
          SO. ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANYTHING? 
          LANCE. >> I KNOW AND STAFF'S RECOMMENDING SAYS IT DOESN'T HAVE AN IMPACT ON SCHOOLS. 
          HOWEVER, MY QUESTION TO YOU IS IF THIS ZONING WAS CHANGED TO B.A., COULD IT BE POTENTIALLY IMPEDE MY BUSES, JUST 
          POTENTIALLY? >> I HAVEN'T DONE AN ANALYSIS BUT I DO NOT BELIEVE IT WOULD INHIBIT YOUR BUSES. 
          >> OKAY. >> THE PUBLIC IS HEARING IS 
          CLOSED. >> REGARDLESS WHAT IT IS WHAT WANT TO PUT ON IT THE ZONING YOU COULD PUT ANYTHING ON THAT. 
          SO MY QUESTION IS, IF THE TRIPS ARE INCREASED AND THEN MY BUSES HAVE TO TURN IN THERE, WOULD IT POTENTIALLY IMPACT MY BUSES? 
          >> I CAN'T SAY THE POTENTIAL IS NOT THERE. 
          >> OKAY. >> BECAUSE I DO NOT EXACTLY WHAT WOULD GO THERE AND WHEN THEIR TRAFFIC WOULD BE THE SAME TIME 
          THE BUSES ARE THERE. >> THANK YOU. 
          >> ALL RIGHT. WE'VE GOT TO TAKE UP THE LAND USE FIRST. THAT IS CHANGING THIS FROM RURAL FRINGE TO COMMERCIAL. DO WE HAVE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THAT? OR DO WE HAVE A MOTION? 
          >> MOTION TO DENY. >> SECOND. 
          >> OKAY, SO I HAVE A MOTION TO NOT APPROVE OR TO RECOMMEND DENIAL OF THE STAFF REPORT AND SECOND BY BO. 
          IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WANTS TO TALK ABOUT THE LAND USE ON I'M GOING TO CALL THE QUESTION, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION WHICH WOULD BE TO DENY THE COMMERCIAL, STATE AYE ANY OPPOSED? ALL RIGHT, SO THAT'S 7-0. 
          NOW, WE STILL HAVE TO TAKE UP A RECOMMENDATION ON THE ZONING, EVEN BECAUSE WE NEVER KNOW WHAT THE BCC IS GOING TO DO. 
          [4.  Public Hearing to consider Z-2022-22. (District 1, Comm. Cella) (M.Brown)]
I'M GOING TO MOVE INTO THE ZONING OF THIS THE NEXT ITEM. 
          MIKE IS THERE ANYTHING WANT TO ADD? 
          >> YEAH, IT'S THE SAME PARCEL THAT THEY REQUESTED B.A. TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE PROPOSED FUTURE LAND USE. 
          THERE'S NOTHING TO ADD OTHER THAN STAFF CANNOT WITH THE PREVIOUS MOTION, THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION WAS APPROVAL CONTINGENT ON APPROVAL OF THE LAND USE CHANGE WITHOUT AND WE 
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WILL STAND WITH THAT BUT WE DIDN'T APPROVE THAT. 
          >> THIS IS ANOTHER ITEM. I WILL HAVE TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING BACK UP FOR THIS. SO IF ANYBODY WANTS TO SPEAK ON THIS ONE. YES SIR. 
          THIS IS ABOUT THE ZONING PART. >> YES, SIR. 
          >> ANTHONY GORIA [ADDRESS]. >> YOU GUYS HAD MENTIONED THE TRAFFIC. IT'S AN HALF HOURS I'M TELLING YOU AS I STAND HERE.  AS DOCTOR PRICE STANDS HERE.  WE ARE REQUESTING TO DO AN EMERGENCY VET CLINIC.  AS SIMPLE AS THAT.  BUT I TALKED TO STOP INITIALLY IT WAS SUGGESTED I GO FOR BA.  I'M HAPPY TO CHANGE IT TO A PCD AND GIVE YOU MORE DEFINITION.  ONE THING YOU MISSED AND A LOT OF YOUR STATEMENTS, THERE WAS A LOT OF COMMERCIAL DOWN THAT STRETCH OF 17.  I MEAN, YOU CAN LOOK AT IT.  IT'S PAT'S NURSERY.  YOU CAN JUMP TO THE PARCEL THAT'S BEING MARKETED BY MARKET MASTERS.  IT'S BEING MARKETED AS COMMERCIAL.  THAT'S ROUGHLY 3 ACRES.  I KNOW THEY DON'T HAVE ZONING.  I'M TELLING YOU THAT'S NORTH OF HARVARD BAPTIST.  ACROSS THE STREET YOU HAVE THE NONCONFORMING ZONING AND LAND USE FOR THE CABINET SHOP.  WHICH I HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THAT SHOULD BE BROUGHT UP. THAT'S RESIDENTIAL AND THAT'S A FULL-BLOWN COMMERCIAL.  JUST SOLD FOR 1.1 MILLION.  TO A NEW ENTITY WHO IS RUNNING IT JUST LIKE A COMMERCIAL SHOP.  HE ALSO HAVE THE OFFICES JUST NORTH OF THE CABINET SHOP. 
          THAT WAS NOT A ZONING FROM YEARS AGO AS YOU STATED.  I REMEMBER WHEN THAT WENT THROUGH.  THEN YOU HAVE THE GYMNASTICS FACILITY.  THE WHOLE SHOT, THEN THE LITTLE CHAMP.  I UNDERSTAND YOU WERE GOING TO DENY THIS AND I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT.  WHAT YOU'RE ASKING ME TO DO IS PUT A MOBILE HOME ON THIS LOT.  JUST SO YOU KNOW, MY PARCEL GOES INTO THE SIDEWALK BY ABOUT 3 TO 4 FEET. THERE WILL BE A FENCE IN THE SIDEWALK 3 TO 4 FEET.  IT'S ON A THREAT, IT'S MY PARCEL.  I WILL DO IT.  YOU'RE ASKING FOR A MOBILE HOME FACING 17.  WHICH 
          I DON'T THINK IS A COMPATIBLE USE SO, THANK YOU >> OKAY, THANK YOU.  DO YOU 
          WANT TO SPEAK?  COME ON UP. THIS IS ABOUT THE ZONING. >> AGAIN ON ANGELA WEAVER FROM FLEMING STREET.  I LIKE TO TOUCH ON A FEW THINGS HE MENTIONED.  SORRY, ANGELA WEAVER 1259 FLEMING STREET.  I WANT TO TOUCH ON A FEW THINGS HE MENTIONED.  FIRST OF ALL HE IS EMPHASIZING THIS IS GOING TO BE AFTER HOURS.  THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE ANY TRAFFIC. 
          HOWEVER, I WOULD LIKE TO EMPHASIZE THAT THERE IS NO GUARANTEE THAT THERE'S NOT TO BE ANY TRAFFIC COMING INTO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.  AS WE MENTIONED, THAT MEDIAN IS CLOSED OFF ON FLEMING STREET.  PEOPLE CANNOT ACCESS 17.  AFTER COMEDOWN CLAY OR FLOYD IF THEY WANT TO COME IN AND THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO COME UP.  THEY WILL BE COMING INTO THE HEART OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD SECOND OF ALL I AGREE WITH THE BOARD WHEN THE BOARD STATED HE NEEDS TO GO TO THE AREAS THAT WERE LAID OUT STARTING BACK PRIOR TO 1979 FOR THE COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES. 
          LIKE MR. SNYDER MENTIONED, THERE ARE MANY, MANY UNUSED COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES THAT'S AVAILABLE FOR HIM TO PUT THIS BUSINESS ON.  I KNOW FOR A FACT THERE ARE ALSO MANY COMMERCIAL, THERE'S A COUPLE ACTUALLY COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES THAT THEY STARTED CONSTRUCTION AND DID NOT COMPLETE IT.  IT STILL STANDING.  JUST BRICK WALLS. ONE IS DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM, RIGHT NEXT TO IMAGINATION ISLAND, THE DAY CARE CENTER. HE TOUCHED ON PAT'S NURSERY AND THE CONVENIENCE STORE.  LET ME TELL YOU, HAVING GROWN UP HERE I COULD TELL YOU FIRSTHAND. 
          JUST LIKE YOU MENTIONED, CORKY BELLS WAS ART IN EXISTENCE, YES BECAUSE THAT WAS THE ORIGINAL CABINET SHOP.  THE CONVENIENCE STORE HAS BEEN THERE SINCE BEFORE I CAN REMEMBER.  I WILL BE 45 NEXT MONTH.  THAT GIVES YOU ANY IDEA HOW LONG THAT STORE HAS BEEN THERE.  PAT'S NURSERY, BEING A NATIVE I CAN TELL YOU THAT'S ALWAYS BEEN COMMERCIAL TOO.  THERE USED TO 
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BE THE BAR CALLED SMITTY'S.  WE DO NOT NEED ANYMORE.  I'M SORRY, I TOLD YOU I'M ACTUALLY FIFTH-GENERATION FLEMING ISLANDER.  MY GREAT, GREAT GRAND PARENTS HAD A FARM 2 STREETS OVER FROM WHERE I AM 4TH-GENERATION LAND OWNER. THIS IS A HARD KNOWN.  HE COULD KEEP PUSHING BRING HIS VETERINARIAN FRIEND IN.  THIS IS GOING TO AFFECT OUR LIVELIHOOD.  OUR HOMES.  I WOULD LIKE TO ASK YOU TO CONTINUE TO DENY IT AND SIGHED WITH THE RESIDENTS AND OUR WELL-BEING AND OUR LIFESTYLE AND HOW THIS WILL AFFECT OUR 
          HOMES.  THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.  ANYONE ELSE?  IF NOT GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.  BRING IT BACK.  ANY COMMENTS ON THE ZONING?  I WILL MAKE THE ONE THAT JUST, WE ALL HEARD IT AND WE KNOW IT.  BA IS WIDE OPEN ZONING.  BUT, SHOULD THE BOARD APPROVED THIS AGAINST OUR RECOMMENDATION I THINK THE ONLY APPROPRIATE ZONING WOULD BE A PCD THAT WOULD STATE THE ABSOLUTE USE.  NOT A LIST BUT, THE USE OF THIS PROPERTY. THOSE PCD'S, IT'S EVERYTHING A BA PLUS IS NOT REALLY PCD'S.  I WOULD LUG PROMOTION ON THIS ONE.  I WOULD LOOK FOR A 
          MOTION. >> MOTION TO DENY. >> A SECOND FROM MR. NORTON . 
          SEEING NONE ELSE ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION STATE I. OPPOSED? OKAY, I WOULD SAY TO THE PPLICANT, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE EMERGENCY VET CLINIC.  I THINK THIS IS THE WRONG PLACE FOR IT. 
          KEEP LOOKING.  THERE IS PLENTY OF OTHER LAND THAT IS ALREADY COMMERCIAL THAT YOU COULD PUT A CLINIC IN.  A LOT OF VACANT SPACE AND A LOT OF THAT STUFF ON 17.  WE WOULD LOVE TO HAVE IT.  WE FELT THIS IS NOT THE RIGHT LOCATION FOR IT.  WITH THAT, I THINK WE FINISHED OUR PUBLIC HEARINGS FOR TONIGHT. RIGHT?  SO, WE HAVE OLD BUSINESS/NEW BUSINESS.  I 
          [1.  Review of Planning Commission Meeting Times in Northeast Florida (E. Lehman)]
BELIEVE, ED WHO IS GONNA TALK TO US ABOUT THE MEETING TIMES? [INAUDIBLE] 
          >> I GUESS I WILL TALK ABOUT THAT FIRST.  RIGHT NOW DECEMBERS MEETING HAS 12 ITEMS ON IT.  JUST A THOUGHT IF YOU WANT TO THINK ABOUT CHANGING THAT TO 5 PART OF THE CONVERSATION FOR ITEM NUMBER ONE ON OLD BUSINESS.  JUST IGNORE THAT AND MARINATE ON IT A LITTLE BIT.  WHAT YOU SAW IN YOUR AGENDA ATTACHED TO YOUR AGENDA WAS PLANNING COMMISSION TIMES FOR FOLKS EVERYWHERE ELSE.  I MEAN EVERYWHERE ELSE AROUND NORTHEAST FLORIDA.  WE HAVE QUITE A LIST FOR THE TIMES PLANNING COMMISSIONS START THROUGHOUT THE REGION.  THE GREATER REGION.  WE ARE BRINGING THAT TO YOU TONIGHT TO JUST HAVE SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT IT.  JUST A COUPLE OF COMMENTS FROM OUR VIEWPOINT OR STAFF'S VIEWPOINT IS, ONE OF THE BIGGEST THINGS IS THE FACT ALL OF OUR PLANNING AND ZONING ITEMS AT OUR BOARD MEETINGS ARE AT 5 O'CLOCK OR THEREAFTER. PERSONALLY I WOULD LIKE TO SEE 5 O'CLOCK IS THE TIME THAT WE MEET.  I THINK THAT SHOWS SOME CONSENSUS OF WHAT WE DO AT THE BOARD WE NEEDS.  WHICH WOULD HELP MAKE IT LAST CONFUSING FOR APPLICANTS, CITIZENS ETC. WANT TO COME SPEAK AT THOSE MEETINGS.  THAT'S ONE OF THOSE ITEMS.  THE OTHER  IS, WHAT WE TYPICALLY DO WHEN ED OFFICE AS A PLANNING DIRECTOR, WE HAVE A WHITE PAPER UP ON THE WALLS COULD SOMETIMES 2 OR 3 OR 4 MONTHS IN ADVANCE.  TYPICALLY AT LEAST 3 MONTHS ARE ON THE WALLS.  TO BE HONEST WITH YOU WE JUST DON'T SEE THIS LESS THAN 10.  ANYTIME IN THE FUTURE.  I WILL TELL YOU, LESSON 10 ITEMS.  I THINK WE HAD 13 AS A STARTED FALLING OFF TONIGHT.  YOU DON'T KNOW THIS 
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AND THE GENERAL PUBLIC DON'T KNOW THIS.  EVERYTHING HAS A DEADLINE.  BE IT ADVERTISING OR PUTTING THE SIGNS UP.  ALL THAT GOOD STUFF HAS A DEADLINE. WHEN WE STARTED GETTING THE AGENDA READY THERE WERE 13 ITEMS FOR THIS MONTH.  SOME OF THOSE HAVE DROPPED OFF BECAUSE SOMEBODY WITHDREW THE APPLICANT WASN'T READY OR WHATEVER. RIGHT NOW THERE IS 12 FOR DECEMBER.  WHO KNOWS IF THAT WILL GET MORE OR LESS IN THE NEXT FEW DAYS BEFORE OUR TIMELINE APPROACHES., WE WOULD REALLY LIKE TO SEE A DIFFERENT TIME.  ANOTHER THING FOR STAFF, JUST LIKE FOR YOU GUYS IT'S A LONG NIGHT FOR US IF WE DO 7 O'CLOCK AND WE CONTINUE TO HAVE 7 TO 15 ITEMS ON THE AGENDA. BUT HAVE TO BE BACK AT 8 O'CLOCK THE NEXT MORNING TO START APARTMENT HAD MEETINGS. TYPICALLY I KNOW WE'VE HEARD, AND TONIGHT HAS BEEN A LITTLE UNIQUE.  WE HAD A FEW PEOPLE SAY SOMETHING ABOUT THE TIME WHICH I THOUGHT WAS INTERESTING.  BUT, TYPICALLY I'VE HEARD WELL IF YOU WANT THE CITIZENS THE COMPANY TO DO IT LATER.  AT THIS MEETING WE DON'T SEE REPEAT FOLKS EXCEPT BRIAN.  HE LIKES TO HANG OUT WITH US.  [LAUGHTER].  BUT, IF A PEOPLE HAVE AN ITEM TO COME TALK TO US ABOUT THEY ARE GOING TO COME TO THAT MEETING AND ONLY THAT MEETING.  ANYWAYS, THAT'S FOR YOU GUYS TO HAVE SOME DISCUSSION.  MIKE, DID I MISS ANYTHING SINCE YOU'RE SITTING AT A MIC AS WELL? 
          >> NOT ON THAT BUT WE NEED TO DISCUSS SPECIFICALLY JANUARY. >> FELT, I'M GLAD YOU SAID THIS.  THINK ABOUT THIS TOO AS WITH TALK ABOUT DECEMBERS TIME. WE HAVE BEEN MADE AWARE AND YOU MIGHT HAVE TO HELP ME WITH THE DATES COURTNEY.  LET ME PULL UP MY PHONE.  WE HAVE BEEN MADE OF WHERE THIS WAS GOING TO BE CLOSED FOR CONSTRUCTION LIKE DECEMBER 27 THROUGH JANUARY 9 I THINK.  SO, THEREFORE THAT MAKES THAT HER FIRST BOARD MEETING WOULD BE THE 10TH AND WILL BE BEFORE PLANNING COMMISSION THAT MONTH.  FROM A STAFF PERSPECTIVE OBVIOUSLY WE CAN'T HAVE ANYTHING ON THAT JANUARY SECOND MEETING OR THAT JANUARY 10, FIRST MEETING OF THE MONTH FOR BCC.  I GUESS WERE GOING TO HAVE TO MEET ON THE 17TH WOULD BE MY 
          RECOMMENDATION UNLESS ANYBODY, WHICH IS III TUESDAY. >> THE STICK THAT UP IN A MINUTE.  LET'S TALK ABOUT THE TIME FIRST.  YOU AND I TALKED ABOUT THE TIMES.  REALLY STRONGLY THINK 7 O'CLOCK IS A GOOD TIME.  I KNOW WE HAVE SEVERAL PEOPLE THAT THEY MENTIONED THAT THEY WOULD PREFER TO BE HERE LATER.  AND IN PUBLIC BUSINESS PERCEPTION IS 99 PERCENT OF WHAT GOES ON. IF YOU MAKE IT A TIME WHERE PEOPLE CAN GET HERE THE PERCEPTION IS, WE ARE ACCOMMODATING THE PEOPLE, THE CITIZENS OUT THERE.  IF YOU MAKE IT AT 1 O'CLOCK IN THE AFTERNOON IT BECOMES AN IMMEDIATE THING.  BUT WHAT THEY DON'T WANT TO HEAR FROM US.  IF THEY DID THEY WOULD PUT IT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE DAY.  I WILL TELL YOU JUST FROM MORE OF A PERSONAL ISSUE.  I DON'T, 5 O'CLOCK, WE CAME HERE AT 5 O'CLOCK TODAY.  THE TRAFFIC WAS TERRIBLE.  THERE'S NOWHERE TO PARK WE GET HERE.  THERE'S A LOT OF PROBLEMS WITH THAT.  I'M LOOKING AT THE TIMES THAT OTHER PLACES MEET PARTICULARLY THE OTHER COUNTIES.  WE ARE CLEARLY THE LATEST.  6 O'CLOCK LOOKS OKAY.  I THINK 6 O'CLOCK WHAT A COMEDY US GETTING HERE IN THE PARKING LOT IS FULLY EMPTIED OUT BECAUSE PEOPLE HAVE GONE HOME.  PLUS I DON'T KNOW ABOUT YOU GUYS WHAT YOU DO.  I LIKE TO HAVE A LITTLE LIGHT MEAL BEFORE I COME IN HERE FOR THE NIGHT.  I DON'T WANT TO EAT AT 3 O'CLOCK IN THE AFTERNOON. 
          NORMALLY NOT QUITE THAT OLD YET.  CELL. >> I TAKE EXCEPTION TO THAT.  I GET YOUR R POINT IF YOU WANT TO DO IT EARLIER. I THINK IF WE GO TO EARLY I THINK THE PERCEPTION 
          WILL BE POOR OUT THERE. >> I WILL TAKE EXCEPTION TO THAT. 
          >> ONE OF THE APPLICANTS HERE COULDN'T GET HERE. >> HE CAME FROM GEORGIA. 
          >> HE COULDN'T GET HERE TONIGHT. >> AT 7:21. WE WILL BE LEAVING IN 10 OR 15 MINUTES OR SO.  AS OPPOSED TO IF WE STARTED ON OR 7 O'CLOCK TYPE WE WOULD JUST BE GETTING GOING.  WE RUN INTO 9 OR 10 O'CLOCK AT NIGHT.  I'M A STRONG PROPONENT FOR THE 5 O'CLOCK START PART-TIME.  THE BCC CALLS AND AT 5 O'CLOCK.  I DON'T KNOW WHY THIS HAS TO BE 
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ANY DIFFERENT.  TONIGHT, THE ONE LADY WELL, IF OUR MEETING AND 7 NOBODY WOULD MAKE A COMMENT ABOUT IT.  I DON'T KNOW.  I THINK 5 O'CLOCK IS FINE.  EVERYBODY WAS HERE 
          DIDN'T PREVENT PEOPLE FROM COMING TONIGHT. >> IF YOU WANT TO BELIEVE ONE OF THE LADIES, SHE SAID THERE WOULD'VE BEEN MORE PEOPLE HERE. 
          >> BY THE TIME SHE WAS SPEAKING 061 30.  THEY STILL HAD TIME. >> I DON'T KNOW, ANYWAY.  WE WILL HAVE TO JUST DISAGREE ON THIS.  I THINK 5 O'CLOCK IS A GREAT TIME START THE MEETING. 
          >> IF I COULD, I DID THIS, MAYBE I'M A SHOCKER.  I'M GOING TO DISAGREE WITH YOU.  I WOULD AGREE THE 5 O'CLOCK IS THE RIGHT START TIME FOR NUMBER OF REASONS.  ONE IS AS OUR AGENDAS GET BIGGER WE'VE GOT 12 ITEMS I THINK MRS. STEWART JUST SAID. FOR DECEMBER AS CLAY COUNTY GROWS WE WILL HAVE MORE ITEMS WE WILL HEAR WHICH MEANS WE EITHER HAVE ONE OR 2 CHOICES. 
          WE CAN EITHER BREAK OUR PLANNING MEETINGS UP INTO 2 DIFFERENT DAYS AND START DOING ALTERNATING WEEKS AND MEET OR WE NEED TO START OUR TIMES EARLIER.  FOR OTHERS THAT MAY BE MORE OF AN INCONVENIENCE. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE LIST OF HOW WE COMPARE IT TO OUR SURROUNDING COUNTIES.  WE ARE TO LATE.  WHEN YOU LOOK AT THOSE 2 ITEMS COUPLED WITH WHEN THE BCC MEETS AT 5. WE CREATE NOW A STANDARD TIME FOR COUNTY INPUT ON EITHER PLANNING MEETINGS OR BCC MEETINGS.  IF THERE'S AN ITEM THAT'S IMPORTANT THEY WILL BE HERE. 
          I'M A BIG FAN OF 5 O'CLOCK.  I THINK THAT MAKES SENSE. >> MR. CHAIR? 
          >> I SUPPORT 5. I COULD DO 5. >> CAN I SPEAK MR. CHAIR? >> THE ONLY THING ELSE WAS GONNA SAY, THE LATE MEETINGS ARE SOMETIMES PROBLEMATIC.  I KNOW I START SOME DAYS REAL EARLY IN THE MORNING.  THESE GUYS DO ALSO.  WHEN I HAVE TO LEAVE HERE TO GET HOME, SORRY GUYS.  WHEN I HAVE TO GET HOME OR GET HOME BY 10:30 OR 11 O'CLOCK AND MIDNIGHT.  THEN CAN'T FALL ASLEEP BECAUSE YOU'RE STILL ALL WOUND UP FOR SOME OF THIS.  IT MAKES IT DIFFICULT THE FOLLOWING MORNING.  AND I HAVE NO LIGHT MEALS AT ALL. 
          >> LANCE? >> I HAVE TO DISAGREE WITH YOU ALSO FOR THE SIMPLE FACT FOR PERSONAL REASONS.  I HAVE TO AGREE WITH STAFF.  AFTER GO TO WORK EARLY.  USUALLY I'M IN THERE ABOUT 6:30 IN THE MORNING.  THIS IS NOT MY ONLY COMMISSION.  I HAVE TO ATTEND OCCASIONALLY THE BCC.  WE HAVE FIRST CITIZEN ADVISORY COUNCILS HAVE TO ATTEND.  THE BOARD MEETINGS I HAVE TO ATTEND.  I'M A THES QUITE A BIT.  WHEN THEY RUN LATE AND EXTREMELY LATE ESPECIALLY STARTING AT 7 AND THEY GO UNTIL 10 TO 11 O'CLOCK AT NIGHT.  IT MAKES IT DIFFICULT THROUGHOUT THE TIME. I UNDERSTAND THAT'S MY JOB.  I GET THAT.  IF WE CAN MAKE IT A 
          LITTLE BI MORE PLEASANT THAT WOULD BE NICE. >> RALPH I REMEMBER YOU WHEN I COME UP MICHAEL IKAHIHIFO A BIT HERE.  WE BROKE THE NIGHT IT WAS AFTER 1 O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING.  IT WAS CLOSER THAT'S BIZARRE.  2 HOURS EARLIER YOU WOULD'VE GOTTEN OUT OF HERE AT 
          MIDNIGHT. >> CAN I PUT MY 2 CENTS IN THERE PLEASE?  I THANK YOU NEED TO BE CAREFUL.  THE WHOLE POINT OF THIS IS IT'S A PUBLIC MEETING.  GRANTED OUR EMPHASIS IS ON THE APPLICANT.  YOU'RE GIVING THE IMPRESSION THAT IF YOU MATURELY WE DON'T REALLY CARE ABOUT THE INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE IMPACTED BY WHAT THE APPLICANT WANTS TO DO.  WHAT THE LADY SAID WAS PROBABLY RIGHT.  SHE HAD 4 OR 5 OTHERS THAT WANTED TO COME BUT BECAUSE OF THE HOUR THEY DIDN'T KNOW WHETHER IT WAS GOOD TO BE AT 5 O'CLOCK OR 7:15. THEY HAD TO BE HERE AT 5 O'CLOCK IN ORDER TO GET IN LINE AND HAVE THEIR TURN.  I BEEN DOING THIS LIKE A SET FOR 35 YEARS.  LIKE JOE SAID.  I REMEMBER NIGHTS WHEN FLEMING ISLAND WAS RUNNING HOT AND HEAVY.  1 O'CLOCK WAS AN EARLY NIGHT.  BECAUSE WE WOULD SIT AND WORK THESE THINGS UNTIL THE INK FELL OFF THE PAPER.  TO MY CARE?  YEAH, I CARE.  I REQUIRE VERY LOW SLEEP ANYWAY I GET UP EARLY AND GO TO BED LATE.  DOES IT MATTER TO ME.  I THINK WE NEED TO TAKE CONSIDERATION THE INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE IMPACTED BY THE APPLICATIONS AND MAYBE THERE COULD BE SOME MOVE AROUND HERE BETWEEN 5 AND 7 WE COULD ACCOMMODATE.  EVEN 5:30 OR SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT TO MAKE SURE SOMEONE FEELS LIKE THAT I CAN MAKE OUT. 
          >> FOR ME IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT TIME BUT, I WOULD SAY 6 O'CLOCK.  WANT TO TRY 6 TO 
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START WITH.  SEE HOW IT ALL WORKS.  IF YOU NEED TO BACK IT UP YOU CAN. 
          >> I SUPPORT THE 5 O'CLOCK TIME FOR SEVERAL REASONS. WHEN THE LADY SPOKE TONIGHT AND SAID SHE HAD PEOPLE WOULD HAVE BEEN HERE BUT I HEARD HER SAYING AS WHEN SHE WAS ABLE TO GET THE WORD TO THEM.  I THINK THAT WAS DRIVEN MORE BY THE FACT THAT THE COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION LAST WEEK THEY WERE TRYING TO GET PEOPLE HERE AND IT WAS THE AMOUNT OF LEAD TIME THEY NEEDED TO MAKE THOSE ARRANGEMENTS IS WHAT I PERCEIVED.  THAT COULD BE RIGHT OR WRONG.  I THINK SINCE COVID OUR DEFINITION OF THE WORKDAY HAS CHANGED DRAMATICALLY FOR MANY PEOPLE.  I THINK IT'S MORE FLUID THAN IT USED TO BE.  WHEN I WAS WORKING MY NORMAL WORKDAY PROBABLY ENDED BETWEEN 5 AND 6 O'CLOCK AND MORE OFTEN LATER. BUT, I WAS ALWAYS HAPPY WHEN I COULD GET, YOU HAVE TO DEAL WITH YOUR PERSONAL BUSINESS, MEDICAL APPOINTMENTS OR WHATEVER.  I WOULD'VE CONSIDERED 5 O'CLOCK A WORKABLE TIME BECAUSE IT WAS AT THE END OF MY WORKDAY.  SO, I THINK THAT WE SHOULD IF IT WERE 2 HOURS LATER, MICHAEL 30 FROM MY BRAINPOWER WOULDN'T BE AS GOOD. 
          I CAN FUNCTION BETTER AT THIS TIME OF THE DAY AND ALL OF US KNOW WE HAVE PERSONAL BUSINESS WE HAVE TO HANDLE THAT DOESN'T ALWAYS JIVE WITH OUR WORK SCHEDULE.  I THINK MAKING A CONSISTENT WITH THE COUNTY COMMISSION AND AT A TIME THAT IS DOABLE FOR PEOPLE I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE SHOULD DO. THANKS TERESA IS THERE ANY WAY OF ARRANGING THE AGENDA BASED ON WHAT YOU WOULD PERCEIVE AS AN ITEM THAT WOULD BE MORE HEAVILY ATTENDED BY RESIDENTS 
          THAT WOULD COME OUT AT A LATER TIME? >> I THINK WE COULD DO THAT. 
          MY ONLY GAUGE WOULD BE PHONE CALLS OR INTEREST OR EMAILS WOULD BE MY NUMBER ONE THOUGHT ON THAT.  TYPICALLY WE KNOW, YOU'VE GOT IT SET OUT LETTERS FOR ALL THE THINGS WE DO. 
          YOU'VE GOT PUT THE SIGNS UP. TYPICALLY IF IT'S A HOT TOPIC WE HEAR FROM EMAIL OR THAT KIND 
          OF THING. >> I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC.  IDEAL. 
          >> LET ME SUGGEST SOMETHING HERE.   FOLLOWING UP ON WHAT BO SAID.  EARLY THERE WAS A MAJORITY THAT WOULD LIKE 5 O'CLOCK.  I THINK THAT'S A MINORITY BUT DOESN'T REALLY WANT TO DO 5 O'CLOCK.  6 O'CLOCK MOVIE LIENS A LITTLE BIT LATE.  HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT 5?  THAT GETS US DOWN HERE AFTER EVERYBODY HAS LEFT THE BUILDING.   IN THESE 
          PARKING LOTS ARE OPENED UP. >>>> SO  STAFF, I WAS OUT HERE AT 4:30. STAFF WAS WALKING OUT THE DOOR AT 4:30. THE PARKING LOT WAS ALMOST A GHOST TOWN AT 4:35. STARTING AT 5 FROM A 
          PARKING LOT STANDPOINT IS AN ISSUE. >> I WAS HERE EARLIER THAN HE 
          APPEARED IT WAS FULL. >> YOU WERE.  STAFF THESE AT 4:30 IS THAT CORRECT MRS. 
          STEWART? >> FOR US I THINK THE TAX COLLECTOR IS OPEN UNTIL 5. SOME 
          OF THEM LEAVE 3:30. >> WHAT DO WE DO A TRAVON OF 3 TO 6 MONTHS 5 O'CLOCK AT SALE 
          GOES? >> HOW ABOUT 5.15. >> AT ABOUT 5 O'CLOCK? 
          >> I SECOND YOUR O'CLOCK. >> I MOTION THAT WE START THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETINGS AT 
          5 O'CLOCK. >> WHO WAS IN FAVOR?  OKAY, SO IT'S 5 O'CLOCK. 
          >> CAN WE GET THE TIMER FIXED. >> IF YOU WANT TO SHORTEN THE MEETINGS. 
          >> YES, I AGREE.  THAT IS ALL MY NOTES PLACE FOR US TO DISCUSS. 
          >> THE ANSWER TO THAT BOURRE IS YES. >> WE ARE NOT DONE YET.  WE ARE NOT DONE YET GUYS.  NOT EVERYONE HEAD FOR THE DOOR YET. WHAT WAS YOUR OTHER QUESTION 
          SHRI? >> THE QUESTION IS SPECIFICALLY ABOUT JANUARY. 
          >> CAN WE MEET AND THAT TAX COLLECTORS ROOM DOWNSTAIRS? >> WE DON'T HAVE A WAY TO 
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RECORD IT.  THAT'S OUR PROBLEM, THE RECORDING PORTION OF IT. IT'S LOOKING LIKE THE 17TH.  IF SOMETHING CHANGES WE WILL LET YOU ALL KNOW.  GO AHEAD AND OUTLINE PUT THE 17TH ON YOUR 
          CALENDAR AS A PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING.  JANUARY. >> OKAY.  THAT BEGS ANOTHER QUESTION THEN.  I DIDN'T WRITE THE DATES DOWN BUT, THERE WAS GOOD TO BE IN LDR WORKSHOP FOR 
          ARTICLE B&. >> I THINK THAT'S DECEMBER 6 RALPH, RIGHT? 
          >> THAT'S DECEMBER 6. IN JANUARY THERE'S GOING TO BE WORKSHOP AGAIN AND I THINK A 
          BCC WORKSHOP. >> WE WILL SEND OUT A LIST OF DATES TO YOU GUYS.  THAT SOMETHING JODY IS WORKING ON RIGHT NOW WITH OUR FOLKS THAT SCHEDULED THE ROOMS APPEARED TO BE HONEST WITH YOU I THINK IT LOOKED LIKE THE NEXT 6 MONTHS FOR MEETINGS.  WE ARE WAITING ON A COUPLE OTHER PEOPLE TO MAKE COMMENTS ON THAT DOCUMENT. AS SOON AS I GET DONE WE WILL SEND OUT TO YOU AND I WILL PUT IT ON YOUR CALENDARS.  I THINK IT'S FROM NOW UNTIL JUNE. 
          >> OKAY. >> THE DECEMBER DATE WAS NOT CONCRETE. 
          >> DECEMBER 6 AND SEVENTH IS CONCRETE. >> IF YOU WOULD, SEND THOSE OUT SO WE CAN PLAN FOR THEM.  I'VE GOT ONE MORE ITEM OF BUSINESS. DO WE HAVE ANYTHING ELSE 
          TERESA? >> I'M DONE.  [INAUDIBLE] >THAT IS ON THE SEVENTH.  THE SIXTH IS THE ONE WHERE OUR STAKEHOLDERS TYPICALLY ATTEND. [INAUDIBLE] OKAY.  WE WILL SEND 
          YOU THE DATES.  6 MONTHS WORTH OF DATES. >> THE SOONER THE BETTER 
          HONESTLY. >> OF GOT ONE MORE PIECE OF BUSINESS.  WE STOPPED TO HAVE A SECOND PUBLIC HEARING.  LET ME TAKE CARE OF THIS.  NOBODY WANTS TO TALK.  I'M CLOSING IT. 
          I GUESS OUR NEXT MEETING IS DECEMBER DECEMBER 6. 5 O'CLOCK, BE HERE.   ANYONE THAT'S LATE AT 5 O'CLOCK IS GOING TO BE FINE.  YOU HEAR?  I'M GOING TO FIND UOFU'RE LATE.   DO YOU WANT TO PAY YOUR FINE NOW?
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.