DISCUSSION/UPDATES

[7. Discussion of Amendment to Ordinance No. 2022-14, codified in Article 2 of Chapter 4 of the Clay County Code, to amend Section 4-36- Retail sale of dogs and cats]

>> IT'S NEVER ENOUGH. NUMBER SEVEN RETAIL SALE OF DOGS

AND CATS. >> WE WERE REQUESTED TO PREPARE AN AMENDMENT TO THE ANIMAL SERVICES AMENDMNT TO ALLOW GRANDFATHERING RETAIL SALE OF DOGS AND CATS TO FACILITIES THAT EXISTED AS OF MARCH 31, 2022. INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET IS THE ORDINANCE WE PREPARED IN ORDER TO GRANDFATHER IN THOSE ESTABLISHMENTS. AS YOU WILL SEE IT HAS DIFFERENT PROVISIONS THAT APPLY TO HOW THE FACILITY SHOULD CARE FOR THE ANIMAL AND RECORDS THEY SHOULD KEEP.

AND TO PROMOTE ADOPTIONS THROUGH RESCUE ORGANIZATIONS AS WELL AS REHOMING IN THE EVENT ANY OF THE PUBLIC -- PUPPIES THAT ARE SOLD AND UP BACK EITHER THROUGH OUR FACILITY OR NEEDING TO BE REHOME. I WILL TELL YOU IN RESPONSE TO THE DRAFT ORDINANCE WE DIDN'T RECEIVE COMMENTS FOR BFF PUPPIES. WE HAVE SPOKEN AND WE WILL TRY TO MASSAGE SOME OF THOSE CHANGES.

THIS IS CURRENTLY BEING ADVERTISED TO BE BROUGHT BACK TO THE BOARD FOR ADOPTION AT THE NEXT BOARD MEETING ON NOVEMBER 9. WE WILL TRY TO WORK THROUGH THAT AND HAVE A REVISED ORDINANCE FOR YOU.

>> ANY QUESTIONS? >> I HAVE COMMENTS BUT NOT QUESTIONS BUT WE CAN WAIT UNTIL QUESTIONS.

>> SO WHAT ARE WE DOING TODAY, WE ARE NOT VOTING ON IT?

>> I HAVE A QUESTION. THE GENTLEMAN WHO SPOKE SAID, HE BUILT THE PLACE. WERE YOU WITH THE OLD OWNER THEN BECAUSE SHE JUST BOUGHT IT? OKAY.

SO, I HAVE SOME COMMENTS,. >> IT'S BEEN HARD BECAUSE THEY SAY IT IS ABOUT PEOPLE BUT IT'S NOT, IT IS ABOUT MONEY.

WE PUT THIS ORDINANCE AND PLACE TO STOP PUPPY MILLS BECAUSE LAST YEAR, WE HAD A PUPPY MILL AND CLAY COUNTY, THAT WE SHUT DOWN WITH 160 ANIMALS AND BY THE TIME MORE PUPPIES WERE BORN IT WAS 170. I DON'T KNOW IF THE ANIMALS ARCHAIC, BUT THERE ARE NEFARIOUS BREEDERS THAT HAVE PUPPY MILLS AND SELLING TO PEOPLE LIKE THIS, YOU CAN TRUST THE BROKER AND SAY I WILL INVESTIGATE THE BROKER THEY WILL SHOW YOU THE BEST OF THE BEST, A LOT OF THESE ARE AMISH PUPPY MILLS THAT HAVE BEEN FEATURED ON 60 MINUTES AND THOSE THINGS.

I DON'T KNOW THE RIGHT ANSWER. SO NOW THIS IS THE THIRD THING WE HAVE HAD CITIZENS COME IN FRONT OF US AND SAY, THEY DID NOT KNOW WE WERE CONSIDERING. SO THE RV PARK, AND MR. LEE LEFT BUT THE RV PARK ZONING WAS CHANGED OVER A YEAR AGO AND THEY CAME BACK AND SAID WE HID THE REZONING SIGN.

WE DON'T HIDE REZONING SIGNS, STOP DOESN'T DO THAT.

WE HAD PUBLIC HEARINGS BEFORE US.

WE WILL TALK LATER ABOUT IMPACT FEES AND WHILE I HAVE NOT BEEN THE SUPPORT OF IMPACT FEES WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT IT PUBLICLY ON NUMEROUS OCCASIONS AT SEVERAL MEETINGS.

THIS IS NOT ANYTHING NEW. IT IS NEW BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE JUST NOW FINDING OUT. AND TO THE GENTLEMAN'S COMMENT EARLIER, PAYING ATTENTION. IT IS DIFFICULT TO SAY, AS THE LEGISLATIVE BRANCH OF THE COUNTY GOVERNMENT THAT -- WE WANT

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PUBLIC INPUT AND POLICY BUT JUST BECAUSE PEOPLE DO NOT LIKE A DECISION MADE DOES NOT MEAN IT IS A BAD POLICY AND THIS ONE IS HARD FOR ME. I FEEL BADLY FINANCIALLY FOR THE NEW OWNER WHO LITERALLY CLOSED ON THIS, THE DAY WE WERE VOTING TO CHANGE THE ORDINANCE. I DON'T KNOW IF IT IS OUR OBLIGATION TO RECONSIDER THAT. I DON'T KNOW HOW I FEEL I GUESS I WILL DECIDE BEFORE WE VOTE. THIS WAS PUT INTO PLACE TO PROTECT ANIMALS AND TO PROTECT OWNERS AND TO ADDRESS SOME OF WHAT WE HAD LAST YEAR IN THE COUNTY, THE ANIMALS SERVICE STAFF AND OTHERS HAD -- FRANKLY, WE SPENT A LOT OF MONEY.

>> $2 MILLION. >> CAN I RESPOND TO THE COMMENT.

>> NOT RIGHT NOW. >> I HAVE A COMMENT, AND IF YOU HAVE NOT BEEN OUT TO VISIT THE SITE I ENCOURAGE YOU TO DO THAT.

AND IF WE ARE LOOKING AT PROTECTING ANIMALS AND THE PUBLIC I THINK BFF PUPPIES, YOU GET A CHECK AND YOU GET A CHECK.

THEY ARE THERE, IT IS REAL. I WILL JUST SAY, WITHOUT THIS FACILITY THERE IS NONE AND CLAY COUNTY AND YOU WILL RELEGATE THE PUBLIC TO THE PUPPY MILLS AND FARMS AND ALL OF THAT KIND OF STUFF. ANYWAY, THAT IS MY COMMENT.

>> SO, I HAVE BEEN THERE MANY TIMES I HAVE KIDS WHO LIKE TO GO IN THERE AND SEE THE PUPPIES. I TOLD THE OWNER ABOUT THIS.

ONE OF MY PROBLEMS IS IF WE ARE TALKING ABOUT COMMUNITY PUPPIES AND EVERYBODY BEING HAPPY, I DO HAVE A PROBLEM THAT YOU DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH IT COSTS UNTIL -- THERE'S NO PRICE TAG AND ALL OF A SUDDEN IT IS A $100 PER MONTH CHARGE OF THE ACTUAL COST OF THE PUPPY IS $4,000, IF WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THAT, SHOULD WE THINK ABOUT THE COMMUNITY MORE. THAT IS MY BIG DEAL.

AND YES, I UNDERSTAND YOU HAVE A HUGE COST, I WAS SURPRISED TO HEAR THAT BUT OF COURSE I AM A BUSINESS OWNER SO I KNOW THERE IS EXPENSE OF EVERYTHING AND OVERHEAD.

BUT THAT WAS MY CONCERN, AND I DON'T REALLY KNOW HOW I FEEL YET EITHER, BUT TAKES THAT AND YOU ARE A NEW OWNER, I HAVE NOT BEEN IN THERE SINCE YOU OWNED IT. BUT IF YOU WANT TO HELP THE COMMUNITY, AND LET THEM ENJOY A CUTE LITTLE PUPPY, MAYBE YOU SHOULD THINK ABOUT THAT AND ALLEVIATE SOME OF THAT I THINK

THAT WOULD BE A GREAT IDEA. >> IT MIGHT TAKEN ON THIS IS WE ARE SPENDING $2 MILLION PER YEAR TO RUN OUR ANIMAL CENTER NOW.

AND I GO BACK TO MY SOUNDBITE. WE SPENT $900,000 ON THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT AND MORE MONEY COMES IN FROM THE STATE TO KEEP THAT RUNNING. THIS HAS BEEN HAS BEEN A PROBLEM. WE ARE LOOKING AT SPENDING $12 MILLION TO BUILD A NEW ANIMAL CONTROL FACILITY IN THE NEXT YEAR. THIS LEGISLATION WAS PUT IN PLACE TO CONTROL SOME OF THE ANIMALS THAT ARE RUNNING AROUND CLAY COUNTY THAT WE CANNOT DO ANYTHING WITH.

IT IS PART OF THE POLICY WE CAME UP WITH.

WE UNDERSTOOD SOME PEOPLE WOULD BE NEGATIVELY IMPACTED BY THIS.

AND I SYMPATHIZE WITH THE BUSINESS ASPECT OF THIS, HOWEVER IF WE PRINT, THE WAY I READ THIS CONTRACT.

IF WE GRANT THIS WE ARE ESSENTIALLY GRANTING A MONOPOLY TO THIS BUSINESS TO BE THE ONLY VENDOR OF PUPPIES IN ALL OF CLAY COUNTY. I DON'T THINK -- AND FOREVER, IS THAT TRUE? WHEN WOULD THIS STOP IF THEY SOLD THE BUSINESS TO SOMEONE ELSE, IT WOULD BE OKAY TO

CONTINUE IT, CORRECT? >> AS I READ THIS, THEY COULD MOVE IT FROM THERE TO ANYWHERE IN THE COUNTY, FOREVER.

>> AS LONG AS THEY STAY IN BUSINESS.

>> SQUARE FOOTAGE. >> THAT PIECE, I REMEMBER READING SOMETHING AND ANTITRUST LAWS BOTHER ME MORE THAN ANYTHING. IM KIND OF TORN ON THAT AS WELL.

>> CAN THEY HAVE MULTIPLE LOCATIONS?

>> NO. >> ESSENTIALLY IT IS A FRANCHISE THAT WILL NEVER GO AWAY IF THEY HANDLE IT PROPERLY.

>> LOOKING BACK AT WHAT WE DID AND WHEN WE DID IT, THIS WAS THE ONLY PET STORE AND THE COUNTY. IT'S NOT LIKE IT IS LUCRATIVE OR AN EASY BUSINESS TO BN. IT WAS OUR INTENTION TO -- IT

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WAS NOT OUR INTENTION TO PUT ANYONE OUT OF BUSINESS BUT IT WAS TO PROTECT RESIDENTS AS WELL AS THE PUPPIES, AND WHERE THEY WERE PURCHASING THE PUPPIES. MOST OF THOSE STANDARDS IN THE ORDINANCE HAVE BEEN WRITTEN BY COUNSEL AT THIS TIME ARE THE STANDARDS THAT THE SHOP ALREADY FOLLOWS.

SO IT WAS VERY EASY FOR THEM TO AGREE.

I THINK THERE ARE SOME WE HAVE TO MASSAGER THAT IS SOMETHING WE WILL LOOK FORWARD TO IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS.

BUT WE ARE IN CLAY COUNTY, AND THE UNITED STATES, AND THIS WAS AN OVERSIGHT ON MY PART KNOWING WHO WAS AND WHAT BUSINESS.

WE DIDN'T REALLY THINK THERE WAS ANYONE AND MAYBE THIS GOES BACK TO NAMING -- I WILL SAY ANYTHING.

>> I WILL NEITHER. >> I WANTED TO JUMP IN AHEAD OF TIME BEFORE YOU DID SAY IT. I GUESS I GET SOME POINTS FOR

THAT. >> THAT IS MY FEELING.

THE BOTTOM LINE IS YES, IT IS UNFORTUNATE BUT A SITUATION THAT WE LIVE IN AND I DON'T THINK GOVERNMENT SHOULD SHUT DOWN A LEGAL BUSINESS, BUT WE CAN PUT RIGOROUS STANDARDS ON WHAT THEY DO AND HOW THEY DO IT AND THAT IS WHAT WE GOT.

IF THERE IS ADDITIONAL STANDARDS THAT YOU WANT PUT INTO THE ORDINANCE, THEN LET'S HEAR THAT AND HAVE YOU MOVE FORWARD WITH THEM. I AM IN FAVOR OF THAT.

SHE STILL HAS A LONG ROAD AHEAD OF HER.

THE DAY I WAS THERE, PRICES WERE STATED FOR PUPPIES.

IT MAY HAVE BEEN A DAY THAT IT WASN'T.

IT CERTAINLY WASN'T SOMETHING I WAS GOING TO PURCHASE AT THE TIME, BUT I THINK, IT WRITES A WRONG TO A BUSINESS OPERATING THERE CONTRIBUTES TO CLAY COUNTY IN A NUMBER OF WAYS INCLUDING FINANCIAL. I WILL BE VOTING YES, UNLESS SOMETHING CHANGES WITH THE ORDINANCE WE SEE BEFORE US

TODAY. >> I DO HAVE TO SAY, SHAME ON THE OLD OWNER I CAN'T IMAGINE NOT TELLING SOMEONE BUYING MY BUSINESS WHAT WAS THE TRUE COMMISSIONS.

[8. Approval of Resolution supporting the State of Florida’s designation of that portion of S.R. 100 in Clay County between the Bradford County line and the Putnam County line as Veterans Honor Highway]

>> ANYONE ELSE? WE WILL TAKE THIS UP AT THE NEXT MEETING. THIS BRINGS US TO OLD BUSINESS ITEM NUMBER EIGHT. APPROVAL OF RESOLUTION SUPPORTING THE STATE OF FLORIDA STICKS A NATION OF PORTION OF

HIGHWAY 100. >> THIS IS REALLY A MATTER THAT THE BOARD AND APPROVED BACK IN DECEMBER 2020.

AT THE TIME IT WAS BROUGHT BEFORE YOU THE CITY WAS IN SUPPORT OF THE DESIGNATION AND ASKED FOR THE COMMISSIONERS SUPPORT WHICH YOU DID A LETTER OF SUPPORT TO THE DOT.

THE ISSUE IS WHEN THEY DESIGNATED A PORTION OF IT.

THE CITY WAS JUST FOR THE PORTION WITHIN KEYSTONE.

AND WHAT LEGISLATION DID THEY DESIGNATED STATE ROAD 100 FOR ALL OF THE PORTION, AND IN ORDER TO FOLLOW THROUGH WITH THE DESIGNATION THEY JUST NEEDED YOUR FORMAL SUPPORT.

>> I MOVE FOR APPROVAL. >> ALL IN FAVOR INDICATE BY

[9. Funding Agreement with State of Florida Department of Health for Operation of the Clay County Health Department for FY 22/23]

SAYING YES. THAT BRINGS US TO NEW BUSINESS ITEM NUMBER NINE. FINDING AGREEMENT WITH THE STATE OF FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH FOR OPERATION OF THE CLAY COUNTY

HEALTH DEPARTMENT. >> HELLO AND GOOD AFTERNOON.

THIS IS OUR ANNUAL FUNDING AGREEMENT WITH THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT. THIS IS THE OPERATION AND IN-LINE WITH FUNDING BEFORE WE GIVE CORE FUNDING WE DO DIRECT PROCEEDS AND WE HELP WITH BUILDING MAINTENANCE.

THIS YEAR, A PORTION OF THE FUNDING HAS BEEN CARVED OUT SO WE CAN PURCHASE A VEHICLE FOR THEM.

WE HAVE DONE THAT IN THE PAST. I WILL LET HEATHER DISCUSS THEIR PROCUREMENT. WE RETAIN THAT MONEY, WE BUY THE VEHICLE, THEY USE IT DURING THE OPERATION.

>> FIRST OF ALL I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT.

IT WAS VERY NICE TO SEE THAT. IF YOU DO HAVE QUESTIONS WE DO USED THIS FORESIGHT VISITS AND OUTREACH INCLUDING THE WAY WE

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REPLACE THEM ON A REGULAR BASIS. I JUST WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU AGAIN. WE WANT TO RESPOND TO ALL OF THE STUFF WE DO IN PUBLIC HEALTH. THIS IS AN AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE

COUNTY AND THE STATE. >> QUESTIONS.

>> ON OUR SHEET, IT SAYS PURCHASE TWO VEHICLES BUT YOU SAID ONE? AND YOU THINK THAT IS ENOUGH

MONEY. >> AND I BROUGHT MY ASSISTANT DIRECTOR WITH ME AND WE PRICE THOSE OUT.

>> WE THOUGHT THEY WOULD BE 70,000 BUT WE THOUGHT THIS WOULD

COVER IT. >> WE SIT ON THE REGIONAL COUNCIL AND THEY HAD TO PURCHASE SOME VEHICLES AND THE ALLOTMENT WAS NOT ENOUGH. TRYING TO GO BACK AND MAKE THE

RESOLUTION ENOUGH TO PURCHASE. >> THE LAST TIME WE DID IT WE

GOT THREE VEHICLES. >> WE ARE SEEING THAT ACROSS THE

BOARD. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS.

>> THIS IS A STRAIGHT UP ONE. >> I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE.

>> DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR INDICATE BY SAYING

[10. Agreement with Kiewit Infrastructure South Company for Construction Management at Risk services for the Bonded Transportation Program Group No. 1, Project 4, Phase 2 (E.Dendor)]

AYE. IT CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.

>> THIS BRINGS US TO TEN. AGREEMENT -- I'LL NEVER GET THAT RIGHT. AND INFRASTRUCTURE SOUTH COMPANY FOR SERVICES FOR THE BOND AND TRANSPORTATION PROGRAM FOR PHASE

TWO, WHATEVER THAT MEANS. >> GOOD EVENING TO THE BOARD AND CHAIR. WITH ME HERE IS THE PROJECT MANAGER WITH W G.I. WHICH ROAD IS THIS.

THIS IS SAND RIDGE ROAD. EAST OF COUNTY ROAD 209.

BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING IS ITEM NUMBER TEN, THIS IS NOT A DRINK OR A FRUIT, JUST A CONSTRUCTION COMPANY.

TO BUILD THE ROADWAY, AND COMPLETING JUST IN FRONT OF THE RUSSELL BAPTIST CHURCH. THESE WILL INCLUDE 2.8 MILES OF EGG MEDIAN ROAD AND DRAINAGE SYSTEM.

MULTIPLE POND SITES AND BIKE LANES, AS WELL AS CONNECTING SIDEWALKS ALONG THE CORRIDOR. THE MAXIMUM PRICE IS LISTED HERE AND HAS A GUARANTEED DELIVERY DATE OF MARCH 25, 2025.

THIS PRICE INCLUDES INCENTIVES AND DISINCENTIVES FOR EARLY OR LATE DELIVERY. THAT CONCLUDES MY UPDATE AND REQUEST FOR APPROVAL TO MOVE FORWARD.

DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. >> WHEN WILL THEY BEGIN THIS.

>> OUR INTENT, WE SIGNED THE AGREEMENT AND WE MOVE FORWARD FAIRLY QUICKLY. THEY ARE FAMILIAR WITH THE DESIGN THEY HAVE BEEN WITH US SINCE THE PROCESS BEGAN.

THEY WILL START WITHIN THE NEXT FEW DAYS.

WHEN I SAY START THEY THINK A ROAD PROJECT IS AUTOMATICALLY PUT IN. ALONG THE CORRIDOR YOU HAVE A LOT OF UTILITIES ON BOTH SIDES. THEY HAVE UNDERGROUND WATER AND GAS LINES ALL THAT HAS TO BE KNEW, THAT WOULD BE THE FIRST PART, AND OUR INTENT IS TO THIS IS SHUTTING THE SECTION DOWN IN FRONT OF THE SCHOOLS DURING THE SUMMER.

WE HAVE WORKED WITH THE SCHOOL BOARD ON THAT AND THAT WOULD BE THE FIRST LARGE CONSTRUCTION YOU WOULD SEE ON THE ROAD, THE

SUMMER OF NEXT YEAR. >> WE HAVE BEEN SAYING BE READY

AND BE PATIENT. >> BE PATIENT FOR THE PUBLIC AND BE SAFE AND CAUTIOUS. WHEN YOU DO SEE PEOPLE WORKING ALONG THE ROAD TAKES THE TIME TO SLOW DOWN AND BE SAFE.

>> ANYONE ELSE? I WILL TAKE A MOTION.

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>> MOVED TO APPROVE. >> A MOTION AND A SECOND.

[11. Sixth Amendment to Agreement No. 2019/2020-196 for Owner’s Representative Services for the Bonded Transportation Program with WGI, Inc. (E. Dendor)]

ALL IN FAVOR INDICATE BY SAYING AYE.

OPPOSED SAME SINECURES UNANIMOUSLY.

NUMBER 11. >> DO YOU WANT TO READ IT.

I WILL STAY HERE. >> THE SIXTH AMENDMENT TO AGREEMENT NUMBER 2019/2028 -- 196 FOR OWNER'S REPRESENTATIVE SERVICES FOR THE BONDED TRANSPORTATION PROGRAM WITH W G.I. I AM NOT SURE THAT TELLS US ANYTHING MORE THAN WHAT WE STARTED WITH.

>> GIVE US REST OF THE STORY. AGAIN,.

>>> REPORTER: SEVEN, WE HAVE A BACKGROUND FOR YOU THIS EVENING AMENDMENT NUMBER SIX. SINCE THE FALL OF 2020 DURING AN AGGRESSIVE EXECUTION OF THE PROGRAM THE TEAM HAS BEEN DILIGENT WITH THE CONSTRUCTION AND DESIGN PLANS WHICH OF COURSE INCLUDE PERMITTING, THE RIGHT-OF-WAY AND PERMANENT EASEMENTS AS WELL AS A LICENSE AGREEMENT.

THROUGH THIS PROCESS THE TEAM HAS DONE A GREAT JOB MINIMIZING IMPACTS TO CLAY COUNTY RESIDENTS AS WELL AS BUSINESSES BY SQUEEZING THE BEST VALUE OUT OF THE FUNDS THROUGH THE PROCESS.

ALL OF THIS IS DONE IN ORDER TO DO SAFE TRANSPORTATION FOR THE PUBLIC AND RESIDENTS. DURING THESE TWO YEARS THE TEAM HAS TAKEN CONCEPTION OF ROADWAY IDEAS IF YOU WOULD, AND TURN THOSE IDEAS INTO WORKABLE PLANS. THESE DESIGN IMPROVEMENTS CONSISTED OF OVER 28 DIFFERENT POND SITES AND REAL ESTATE CONTACT POINTS AND EASEMENTS ALL WHICH INCLUDES SURVEYS, APPRAISALS AS WELL AS SOME REPLANNING IN SOME CASES.

AS A RESULT, ALONG WITH THE DRAINAGE STORM WATER AND CULTURAL RESOURCES HAVE TO BE DONE ACCORDING TO THE PERMITTING AGENCIES. IN CONJUNCTION, ALL UTILITIES ARE EXPECTED TO BE COORDINATED WITH EACH SITE WITH -- WHICH INCLUDE WATER CONNOISSEUR, NATURAL GAS, PHONE LINES, INTERNET, FIBER-OPTIC CABLES AND OVERHEAD IN ALL OF THESE CORRIDORS. TODAY'S REQUEST IS ALLOCATING FUNDS TO PROCEED WITH ALL OF THE PREVIOUS TASKS ACROSS THE PROJECTS. THE AMOUNTS IDENTIFIED HAVE ALSO BEEN ACCOUNTED FOR AND THE BUDGET UPDATE AND ALIGNMENT WE DID AT THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR.

THAT IS MY UPDATE. DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?

>> TAKE A MOTION. >> I JUST HAVE A COMMENT.

I SPOKE WITH ED EARLIER TODAY, I AM TRYING TO GET A GRASP OF WHAT THIS IS ABOUT. WHEN YOU LOOK AT HUNDREDS OF PIECES OF PROPERTY, IN THE FUTURE, THIS WAS DESIGNED IN

2024. >> WHAT PROJECT? THE PLANS WERE PUT TOGETHER IN 2004.

THEY SAT ON THE SHELF SO THOSE HAD TO BE UPDATED.

THE OTHER SIX PROJECTS HAD 0 PLANS.

BASICALLY HAVE AN IDEA ON WHERE I WANT TO GO FROM THIS POINT TO THAT POINT. UNTIL YOU START TAKING THAT IDEA, LIKE IF YOU WERE TO BUILD A HOUSE, HOW MANY BEDROOMS, HOW MANY BATHROOMS, AS YOU GET TO FORMULATE THAT, WHAT IS THE BEST ALIGNMENT DO YOU SHIP TO THE NORTH OR SOUTH TO MINIMIZE THE IMPACT TO INDIVIDUAL BUSINESSES. AS WELL AS WHEN YOU START TALKING WITH PLACING POND WORK ALONG THE CORRIDORS.

AGAIN, THAT IS A CONCEPT. YOU HAVE TO START MANAGING AND

WORKING WITH OWNERS FOR THAT. >> THAT IS THE THING THAT CAUGHT MY ATTENTION. WORKING WITH PROPERTY OWNERS WITH DIFFERENT OBJECTIVES, ALL THAT TRANSPOSE AS THE CLOCK TURNS. TODAY I WANT TO SELL IT, TOMORROW I DON'T. IF YOU TAKE A, IF YOU DON'T.

A VERY COMPLEX PROBLEM. >> DO WE HAVE A MOTION?

ANYONE ELSE? >> I WILL MOVE FOR APPROVAL.

>> OF MOTION AND THE SECOND, DISCUSSION.

[12. Request to use alternative procedure to notice public hearings for the consideration of potential purchase and sale agreements for the purchase of real property in connection with the Bonded Transportation Program necessary for stormwater retention facilities and/or ROW]

ON THE FAVOR INDICATE BY SAYING AYE.

OPALS, SAME SIGN. IT CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY.

ITEM 12. CHANCELLOR ITEM NUMBER 12 IS A REQUEST TO USE THE ALTERNATIVE PROCEDURE WITH PURCHASE AND SALE FOR THE FIVE DAY NOTICE PERIOD AND ALLOW US TO PROCEED FORWARD

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AND NEGOTIATE WITH APPRAISALS WITH PUBLIC RECORD AS OPPOSED TO WHAT THE STATUTE CURRENTLY REQUIRES THAT APPRAISALS ARE KEPT CONFIDENTIAL FOR 30 DAYS. WE HAVE INDICATED ON HERE PROPERTIES THAT MAY BE ONCE WE NEED FOR RIGHT-OF-WAY OR STORMWATER MANAGEMENT IN CONNECTION WITH THE BOND MEASURE PROGRAM. IT IS NOT FOR CERTAIN THEY ARE ALL NEEDED BUT WE ARE IN THE INVESTIGATION STAGE BUT AS WE GET INTO CONSTRUCTION WE NEED THEM OUT THEREFORE WHEN WE COME BACK TO YOU FOR THE PURCHASE AND SALE.

>> I MOVE FOR APPROVAL. >> MOTION AND A SECOND.

DISCUSSION. ALL IN FAVOR INDICATE BY SAYING AYE. IT CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY.

[13. Participation in The School Board of Clay County's Cooperative Bid No. 22-BA-128 with Gate Fuel Services, Inc. (K. Smith)]

>> THANK YOU. PARTICIPATION OF THE SCHOOL BOARD FOR THE COOPERATIVE BID NUMBER.

THIS IS WITH GAIT FUEL SERVICES. >> SO FOR MANY YEARS NOW WE ARE PARTICIPATED WITH THIS PURCHASING AGREEMENT THAT THE SCHOOL BOARD TAKES THE CONTROL OF LETTING OUT THE BID AND THE CITY AND COUNTY PARTICIPATES IN THIS BID.

BID. THIS IS HOW WE BUY OUR FUEL FOR THE FUELING STATIONS. AND THE CURRENT BID EXPIRES AT THE END OF DECEMBER. THE TOWNS APPROVE BEING PART OF THE AGREEMENT. WE ARE BRINGING THIS BEFORE YOU TONIGHT. WHAT THIS DOES, IT LOCKS IN A FIXED RATE, AND AND THE TRANSPORT AND THE TIME THEY LEAVE THEIR TERMINAL. IT DID GO UP SLIGHTLY A LITTLE BIT, FIXED FEE BUT THAT IS TO BE EXPECTED.

QUESTIONS. >> IF I AM READING THIS CORRECTLY THE DIESEL IS MORE EXPENSIVE THAN THE DEAL TVS DIESEL. I THOUGHT IT WAS THE INVERSE.

DOES ANYONE KNOW WHY. I'M LOOKING AT GREATER FOR OFF-ROAD FARM DIESEL, EQUIPMENT DIESEL THAN -- I ALWAYS THOUGHT THAT OFF-ROAD DIESEL DID NOT HAVE TO PAY THE ROAD TAX AND THEY WERE EXEMPT FROM THAT. THE COST OF THE GALLON WAS CHEAPER. BUT HERE I CAN SEE IT IS HARDER

-- HIGHER. >> I CAN CHECK THAT AND GET BACK WITH YOU. BUT WE DO PURCHASE THE UNLEADED

FUEL IN THE DIESEL FUEL. >> UNLEADED I AM OKAY WITH.

I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND. >> DO YOU WANT TO DELAY VOTING? ARE YOU LOOKING TO DELAY THE VOTE?

UNTIL YOU HAVE YOUR ANSWER? >> CAN YOU TABLE IT?

>> LET ME CHECK INTO IT AND GET BACK TO YOU BEFORE THE END OF

THE MEETING. >> CAN YOU JUST LOOK AT IT AND SEE IF WHAT I AM INTERPRETING IS CORRECT.

>> ARE WE GOING TO COME BACK, WE HAVE UNTIL DECEMBER.

>> I CAN BRING IT BACK TO YOU BEFORE THE END OF THE MEETING.

>> THEY WANT TO GET THIS AGREEMENT IN PLACE.

I DON'T THINK WE HAVE UNTIL DECEMBER THEY WANTED IT BY

OCTOBER. >> THE CURRENT AGREEMENT DOES EXPIRE BUT THEY ARE BEING PROACTIVE.

>> WILL BRING IT BACK TONIGHT. WE WILL BE GOOD.

>> CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICERS. DO WE HAVE ANY?

NO. >> COMMISSIONER AUDITOR DO YOU

[COUNTY MANAGER]

HAVE ANYTHING FOR US? COUNTY ATTORNEY? COUNTY MANAGER, IF YOU HAVE THREE THINGS WE WILL PUT YOU

AFTER THE TIME CERTAIN SPIRIT. >> I HAVE TWO THINGS.

>> GO. >> AS ALWAYS I LOVE SOMETHING.

>> FIRST OFF, I REALLY WANT TO STRESS, THE NEXT BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS MEETING IS WEDNESDAY, NOVEMBER 9 AND STARTS AT 4:00 P.M. THAT IS VERY CRITICAL THAT EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS AND KNOW THAT TUESDAY IS ELECTION DAY AND WE HAVE BEEN OUSTED AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THE PUBLIC KNOWS

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ABOUT THAT. >> NUMBER TWO, NOVEMBER 11 IS THE FRIDAY AND VETERANS DAY. WE HAVE PARTNERED WITH THE CAMP LANDING MUSEUM AND IT STARTS AT 11:00 A.M. TO HONOR OUR VETERANS, THEY ARE IN FRONT OF THE MUSEUM ON THE NEXT BCC MEETING A PROCLAMATION WILL BE COMING UP SO ANYONE WHO WANTS TO CELEBRATE THE VETERANS, YOU CAN COME ON NOVEMBER 9 BUT DEFINITELY HONOR OUR VETERANS ON NOVEMBER 11 AT 11:00 A.M. AT CAMP LANDING. JUST A PLUG FOR THAT.

MOST OF THE FOOD IS WORLD WAR II PRICES.

I WILL BE COOKING AND THAT'S ANOTHER THING.

IF YOU WANT TO SEE ME COOKING UP THERE.

AND IF ANYONE HAS ANY QUESTIONS OR INFORMATION THE NUMBER IS 904, 682-3165. THEY HAVE A FLYER OUT ON SOCIAL MEDIA THAT IS THERE, AND THEY ARE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THAT.

WE DON'T HAVE A PARADE BUT WE DO HAVE WORLD WAR II PRICES.

THANK YOU. >> OKAY.

THAT BRINGS US TO TIME CERTAIN SPIRIT HELP ME OUT HERE.

COUNTY ATTORNEY WE HAVE TO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING IT HAS BEEN

CONTINUED? >> THE APPLICANT WILL BE ASKING FOR A CONTINUANCE BUT YES WE HAVE PUBLIC HEARING.

[14. 5:00 p.m. or as soon thereafter as can be heard - Final Public Hearing to consider Adoption of CPA-2022-07. (District 1, Comm. Cella) Planning Commission voted 6-0 to recommend approval. (D. Selig)]

[15. 5:00 p.m. or as soon thereafter as can be heard - Final Public Hearing to consider PUD-2022-07. (District 1, Comm. Cella) Planning Commission voted 4-2 to recommend approval with a condition. (D. Selig)]

ARE YOU DOING A PRESENTATION? >> SO ITEMS 14 AND 15, BASICALLY RUN TOGETHER. ONE IS THE ADOPTION OF AN AMENDMENT FOR THE COMP PLAN AMENDMENT AND THE FOLLOWING IS A HUD ZONING. AND CONNECTION WITH BOTH OF THOSE, AS YOU WILL RECALL, I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS THE LAST BOARD MEETING OR THE ONE BEFORE THE ITEM WAS PRESENTED BEFORE YOU AND THE BOARD HAD SOME QUESTIONS.

SO THEY ARE WORKING TO REVISE THEIR APPLICATION AND THEY WANT TO CONTINUE AND DO YOU KNOW WHEN?

>> THE 13TH. >> WILL WE DO HEARINGS ON THESE

NOW OR WAIT? >> SINCE WE ADVERTISED IT WE DO

AFTER OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. >> WE WILL OPEN UP PUBLIC HEARING ON 14 AND 15. ANYONE WISHING TO ADDRESS THIS?

CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. >> MOVED TO CONTINUE.

>> SECOND. >> A MOTION AND A SECOND,

[16. 5:00 p.m. or as soon thereafter as can be heard - RFP No. 21/22-69, Professional Lobbying Services Presentation (K. Smith / C. Latham)]

DISCUSSION. ALL IN FAVOR INDICATE BY SAYING AYE. OPPOSED SAME SIGN.

NUMBER 16. PROFESSIONAL LOBBYING SERVICES

PRESENTATION. >> ABOUT WAS KAREN WHO LEFT.

>> CHAIR, COMMISSIONERS I'M THE COUNTY MANAGER AND LEGISLATIVE COORDINATOR. THERE SHE IS.

EXPIRED SO WE ISSUED AN RFP TO SELECT A NEW LOBBYING FIRM.

WE DID HAVE THREE EVALUATORS ON THE COMMITTEE.

TO OF OUR ATMS AND ONE FROM THE GRANTS DIVISION.

WE EVALUATED THE FARMS BECAUSE JUST THE CLOSE NUMBERS, IT WAS THE COMMITTEE'S RECOMMENDATION TO BRING ALL FOUR AND FOUR PRESENTATIONS BEFORE THE BOARD. THEY ARE HERE TODAY AS NORMAL WE JUST GO IN ALPHABETICAL ORDER. YOU SHOULD APPLE SCORESHEET BUT IF YOU DON'T I HAVE EXTRAS. SO AT THE END OF THE PRESENTATION WE ASK THE COMMISSIONERS TO SCORE AND RANK THEM. AND WHAT THE STAFF LOOKED AT, QUALIFICATIONS, EXPERIENCE, THE INNOVATION AND THE FEE SCHEDULE AS PART OF THE EVALUATION CRITERIA.

IF YOU DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS WE CAN START THE PRESENTATIONS.

>> IN ALPHABETICAL ORDER WE HAVE CAPITAL CITY.

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>> THANK YOU WE ARE APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT TO YOU TONIGHT. MY NAME IS ANDREW WE CAPITAL CITY CONSULTING. WE DID AN INNOVATIVE APPROACH WHERE WE DECIDED TO BRING TWO FORMS FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.

THE LEAD BEING CAPITAL CITY. JOH WILL SPEAK IN A FEW MOMENTS AFTER I GIVE A BRIEF PRESENTATION ON CONSULTING AND MYSELF SPECIFICALLY. WE DECIDED NOT TO DO A FORMAL POWERPOINT YOU HAVE SEEN A LOT OF INFORMATION IN FRONT OF YOU.

WE BOTH HAVE MANY YEARS OF EXPERIENCE WORKING IN THE LEGISLATION PROCESS. CAPITAL CITY CONSULTING AS A FIRM IS 20-YEARS-OLD. WE ARE RANKED AS A TOP FIRM IN THE STATE. WE HAVE 14 FULL-TIME LOBBYISTS AND SUPPORT STAFF FOR OFFICES, ONE IN TALLAHASSEE ONE REGIONALLY. OUR MOTHERSHIP IS IN TALLAHASSEE LESS THAN 100 YARDS FROM THE CAPITAL STEP.

WHAT MAKES THIS REALLY UNIQUE IS WE HAVE DONE A REALLY GOOD JOB PLUCKING MEMBERS FROM STATE GOVERNMENT AND THE LEGISLATION PROCESS THAT HAVE SPECIFIC EXPERIENCE THAT THEY BRING AND WE ALL BRING IT TO OUR COUNTY CLIENTS.

WE HAVE A FORMER STAFF IN HOUSE AND SENATE A FORMER DEPUTY THAT ADVISES AND WE HAVE FORMER POLICY STAFF WITH DIFFERENT AGENCIES. BECAUSE OF THAT, WE HAVE A LOT OF CLIENTS, OVER 200 WE ARE IN EVERY FACET OF STATE GOVERNMENT BIRTH AND MYSELF, WORKED AT THE DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION AND BEFORE THAT I WORKED FOR RICK SCOTT AND HIS ADMINISTRATION IN HIS SHOP. I RUN THE FARMS OF OUR PRACTICE.

I OVERSEE ALL OF OUR CLIENTS ENTITIES ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES AND PROUD OF THE WORK THAT I DO. THIS IS AT THE FOREFRONT OF A LOT OF DISCUSSIONS AS OF RECENT. CERTAINLY SOMETHING THAT IS IMPORTANT TO CLAY COUNTY. AS YOU GUYS ARE GROWING AND GROWING FAST. SMART GROWTH, THE RIGHT KIND OF GROWTH WITHOUT INHIBITING GROWTH IS A DIFFICULT TASK.

PROUD OF THE WORK WE ARE DOING AND CAPITAL CITY.

JOHN ALSO HAS A BACKGROUND IN ENVIRONMENTAL POLICY REALLY APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE HERE.

YOU DO HAVE A LOT OF GOOD FIRMS. YOU HAVE A HARD DECISION TO MAKE. I SEE MANY FRIENDS BY ME AND JOHN AND I ARE CLOSE FRIENDS AND HOPEFULLY HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO REPRESENT YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> HELLO MY NAME IS JOHN IT IS A PRIVILEGE TO BE HERE.

I JUST WANTED TO SHARE SOME POINTS ABOUT THE PROPOSAL WITH ANDREW AND I TEAMING UP. CAPITAL CITY CONSULTING IS A TOP SHELF LOBBYING FIRM. I HAVE BEEN IN THIS FOR DECADES WE KNOW OUR WAY AROUND THIS. WE THINK THIS IS A VALUE PROPOSITION BECAUSE YOU GET TO FIRMS. WE HAVE EXTENSIVE EXPERIENCE. WE HAVE ADVISED.

WE BOTH STARTED IN GOVERNMENT. AND WE BOTH HAVE ADVISED GOVERNORS, AGENCY AND SECRETARIES AND AS TIME HAS GONE ON WE HAVE TRANSITIONED INTO REPRESENTING CORPORATE CLIENTS AND OTHERS. WE HAVE, A LOT OF EXPERIENCE, PARTICULARLY I WANT TO TALK ABOUT HOW WE HANDLE THINGS AND PROBLEM SOLVING IS A BIG PART OF UNDERSTANDING THE CLIENTS NEEDS AND HOW CAN WE ACHIEVE THOSE NEEDS.

ONE OF THE THINGS I TAKES PRIDE IN HIS COMING UP WITH CREATIVE SOLUTIONS, LISTENING CLOSELY AND COMING UP WITH A STRATEGY AND A COOPERATIVE AND COLLABORATIVE WAY.

IF WE ARE FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO BE SELECTED WE WILL DO THAT.

JUST A QUICK POINT ABOUT THE TALLAHASSEE PRESENCE.

ANDREW AND I ARE BOTH IN TALLAHASSEE AND HAVE BEEN HERE FOR A LONG TIME. I THINK THAT ADDS AN INTANGIBLE

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VALUE AND A LOT OF TIMES THE PEOPLE YOU DISCUSS ISSUES WITH OUR LEGISLATIVE STAFF OR AGENCY. YOU HAVE A LOT OF GROWTH GOING ON, JUST HERE TODAY WE HAVE HEARD A LOT ABOUT THE AGENCY INTERACTION AND WE ENJOYED GOOD RELATIONSHIPS IN THOSE AREAS% WITH STAFF AND MEMBERS OF THE LEGISLATURE.

ANOTHER POINT I WANTED TO NOTE, I AM A LAWYER LOBBYISTS.

WE HAVE BEEN IN EXISTENCE FOR MANY YEARS.

I LOOK AT THINGS AND REPRESENT CLIENTS AND I WILL SAY, I THINK THAT IS AN ADDED VALUE AND INSIGHT INTO LANGUAGE AND THE WAY IT WILL BE INTERPRETED. OFTEN TIMES, YOU NEED TO CRAFT AN AMENDMENT SO I HAVE BEEN DOING THAT AND BRINGING THE SKILLS NOT ONLY AS A LOBBYIST BUT AS A LAWYER.

ANDREW AND I HAVE KNOWN EACH OTHER FOR A LONG TIME.

WE ARE FRIENDS, OUR FAMILIES OR FRIENDS.

THIS IS A PRIVILEGE TO SEEK YOUR APPROVAL TO REPRESENT HIM WITH YOU. I THINK WE WOULD BE A GOOD TEAM.

A LITTLE BIT OF A PERSONAL BACKGROUND WE WERE BOTH FORTUNATE TO ATTEND COLLEGE ON ATHLETIC SCHOLARSHIPS.

WE COMPETED, I SAY THAT BECAUSE PART OF THE LEGISLATIVE PROCESS IS COMPETING. THERE ARE WINNERS AND LOSERS.

WE NOT A COMPLETE WE NOT TO COMPETE FAIRLY WE PLAY BY THE RULES AND WE NOT WIN. AS YOU ALL CONSIDER YOUR CHOICES TODAY WE ASK YOU TO KEEP THAT IN MIND.

THANK YOU FOR HAVING US HERE TO MAKE A PRESENTATION TO YOU AND HOPEFULLY WE WILL CONTINUE TO TALK IF WE ARE FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO BE AWARDED THE CONTRACT. I WOULD BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY

QUESTIONS. >> GENTLEMEN, YOUR PROPOSAL INDICATED A FEE OF $78,000 PER YEAR DOES THAT INCLUDE EXPENSES AS WELL AND HOW MUCH OF THAT WOULD COVER EXPENSES?

>> THAT IS INCLUSIVE. WE WOULD NOT CHARGE THE LOBBYING AND REGISTRATION FEE. SOME OF THAT WOULD COME OUT OF

OUR POCKET. >> AS YOU INDICATED IT WILL BE A DIFFICULT DECISION FOR THE BOARD TO MAKE.

YOU HAVE FIRMS THAT HAVE GREAT REPUTATIONS AND IN SOME CASES WE HAVE WORKED WITH THE INDIVIDUALS.

GIVE ME AN IDEA AS TO YOUR APPROACH IN A POSITIVE WAY.

WHAT MAKES YOURS DIFFERENT THAN EVERYONE ELSE'S?

>> A BIG PART OF THIS PROCESS IS THE ABILITY TO BE EFFECTIVE AND THAT CAN BE DIFFICULT. EFFECTIVENESS IS NOT JUST BEING POLITICAL SAVVY BUT THAT'S IMPORTANT.

CAPITAL CITY CONSULTING IS PROUD TO BE A TOP FUNDRAISER FOR HOUSE AND SENATE REPUBLICANS. WE HAVE DEVELOPED A CLOSE RELATIONSHIP WITH THE GOVERNOR AND HIS STAFF.

BUT BEYOND THAT, TO JOHN'S POINT IT IS ABOUT THE RIGHT STRATEGY.

HAVING THE RIGHT INFORMATION AND DEVELOPING THAT STRATEGY WITH THE CLIENT. THAT IS OFTEN A DIFFICULT TASK.

YOU GUYS RELY HEAVILY ON US TO GUIDE YOU THROUGH A WEIRD AND COMPLICATED PROCESS IN TALLAHASSEE.

FOR JOHN AND I, WE BRING A LEVEL OF EXPERTISE ON TOP OF THE POLITICAL MUSCLE TO CREATE A ONE-TWO PUNCH.

OBVIOUSLY I'M NOT AN ATTORNEY BUT JOHN IS THE EXTRA ELEMENT.

BUT THE BIG THINK YOU GUYS ARE% DEALING WITH THIS FINDING MONEY IN TALLAHASSEE AND WE HAVE BEEN SUCCESSFUL.

ON THE REGULATORY SIDE IF THERE ARE ISSUES WE CAN WORK ON THAT MAY BE IMPORTANT WE HAVE A LOT OF EXPERIENCE THERE.

IT'S NOT AS SIMPLE AS CREATING STRATEGY TO DEVELOP THE REAL

SOLUTIONS. >> HE NOTED THE POINT, THE LEGAL BACKGROUND AND EDUCATION IS AN ADDED BENEFIT THAT WE OFFER.

I KNOW, YOU HAVE A COUNTY ATTORNEY AND I SUSPECT SHE WOULD BE INVOLVED IN LEGISLATIVE ISSUES.

IN THE HEAT OF THE BATTLE HAVING ANOTHER SET OF EYES CLOSE BY ADDS VALUE AND I THINK ANDREW ADDRESSED A LOT OF THE OTHER POINTS THAT WE BELIEVE SET US APART FROM OUR COMPETITORS.

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>> THANK YOU, I APPRECIATE IT. >> WHAT COUNTIES DO YOU

CURRENTLY REPRESENT? >> WE REPRESENT MONROE COUNTY.

WE ALSO REPRESENT THE CITY OF MIAMI.

SO I THINK, THE GOOD PART OF THAT, WE UNDERSTAND THE COMPLEXITIES OF LOCAL GOVERNMENT BUT WE DON'T REPRESENT A TON OF THEM. SOMETIMES THAT GETS IN THE WAY OF BEING EFFECTIVE IF YOU HAVE 20 LOCAL GOVERNMENTS.

WE HAVE BEEN DOING IT LONG ENOUGH TO KNOW HOW TO MANAGE THE COMPLEX ISSUES THAT AN ENTIRE COUNTY HAVE SPIRIT FOR YOU, REGIONALLY YOU HAVE DISTRICT YOU HAVE TO DEAL WITH.

PERSONALLY SPEAKING MY MOTHER IS A COUNTY SPEAKER.

I HAVE HAD A LOT OF CONNECTION THERE AND MANY OF YOU MAY HAVE MET HER AT CONFERENCES. SO LOCAL GOVERNMENT IS NEAR AND

DEAR TO MY HEART. >> CAN YOU GIVE US, PIGGYBACKING ON COMMISSIONER CELLA DISCUSSION CAN YOU GIVE US AN EXAMPLE OF YOUR STRATEGY OR YOUR VISION OF WHERE YOU SEE OR WHY DO YOU SEE

THAT YOU WOULD BE BETTER FOR US? >> WHEN IT COMES TO THE APPROPRIATIONS PROCESS, FRANKLY A LOT OF THAT IS POLITICAL MUSCLE AND I THINK WE PROVIDE THAT.

YOU ONLY HAVE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF ASK THAT YOU CAN GET TO LEGISLATURE AND IT IS A TWO-STEP PROCESS.

I THINK IF YOU ASK AROUND MOST WOULD TELL YOU WE ARE CLOSE TO THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE AS AN ADDED BENEFIT.

THAT IS ONE PIECE. AND BEING ABLE TO EXPLAIN WHY THE PROJECTS YOU WANT TO BE FUNDED IS IMPORTANT.

THE BIGGEST ISSUE YOU WILL FACE IN THE NEXT TEN YEARS IS GROWTH.

HOW DO YOU DEAL WITH GROWTH OF YOU DEAL WITH SMART GROWTH.

JOHN AND I HAVE A LEVEL OF EXPERTISE IN THE ENVIRONMENTAL SPACE AND PLANNING SPACE. I THINK THAT REALLY SETS US APART. I THINK, THE PEOPLE THAT I HAVE WORKED WITH, MANY ARE STILL THERE.

THE SECRETARY AND OTHERS. PEOPLE I'M CLOSE WITH.

THESE ARE ALL PERMITS YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU AND THINK SHE WILL BE WORKING ON HOW DO YOU PLAN, WHAT DOES THE FUTURE LOOK LIKE DOES THIS DEVELOPMENT MAKES SENSE.

TO ME, THAT IS THE BIG TICKET ITEM IN TERMS OF POLICY, I THINK WE CAN PROVIDE QUITE A BIT, AND ON THE APPROPRIATIONS FRONT I THINK POLITICAL MUSCLE IS IMPORTANT FOR THAT ADDED VALUE.

>> THANK YOU. >> MY DISTRICT IS THE TOP GROWTH AREA IN OUR COUNTY. WHAT WOULD YOU SEE SOMETHING YOU

COULD DO TO HELP THAT? >> I THINK PART OF THE ISSUES WE WILL HAPPEN IN FLORIDA, WE HAD A DISCUSSION ABOUT IMPACT FEES.

I LAUGHED BECAUSE I'VE BEEN THROUGH THAT IN THE PAST.

AS THE PRESSURE MOUNTS FOR GROWTH AND PEOPLE MOVED TO THE STATE, NORTHEAST FLORIDA IS A LOT IS A PLACE PEOPLE WANT TO BE. PARTS OF METRO DEVOL, CLAY COUNTY, PEOPLE WANT TO LIVE IN MORE SPACE THEY WANT AFFORDABLE HOUSING BUT THAT COMES WITH ISSUES INCLUDING WHAT DOES THE DENSITY LOOK LIKE WHAT CAN BE APPROVED.

HOW DO WE GET SAFE DRINKING WATER, THESE ARE ALL THINGS THAT WILL REQUIRE SOME LEVEL OF INTERACTION AND THAT IS JUST BEYOND THE BLOCKING AND HOW DO WE GET BILLS ACROSS THE FINISH LINE. LOT OF THAT, WILL BE SOMETHING YOU GOT SO THOSE SPECIFIC ISSUES WE HAVE ISSUES THAT YOU WILL NEED TO GET PERMITS YOU GUYS HAVE A LOT OF POWER, BUT THERE ARE A LOT OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS AND THE STATE HAS LIMITATIONS FOR THEM TO GET THESE ISSUES BECAUSE IF NOT THEY LAY IN THE MIDDLE. FOR US THAT IS A HUGE VALUE WE CAN ADD. BUT THIS IS NOT TO SAY EVERYTHING ABOUT THE PEOPLE BY ME THEY ARE FRIENDS AND THEY DO WHAT THEY DO. BUT THAT IS JUST A LITTLE ADDED

PEACE THAT WE CAN PROVIDE. >> THANK YOU.

>> AT THIS TIME PUBLIC AFFAIRS CONSULTANT WILL PRESENT.

>> GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS I AM PRESIDENT OF PUBLIC AFFAIRS

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CONSULTANT AND I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY TO TELL YOU MORE ABOUT TEAM BA. IT STARTED IN THE 70S.

AND THEY SPECIALIZE IN REPRESENTING LOCAL GOVERNMENT AND A LOT HAS CHANGED. IN THE LATE '80S THERE WAS A NAME CHANGE AND WE STARTED REPRESENTED LOCAL GOVERNMENT, COMBINATION OF LOCAL GOVERNMENT, BUSINESSES AS WELL AS INTERNATIONAL FORTUNE 500 COMPANIES.

WE HAVE BEEN A WOMAN OWNED BUSINESSES THE '90S.

WE ARE NOW GOING FOR OUR OFFICIAL DESIGNATION AND HOPE TO HAVE THAT COMPLETED BY THE END OF THE YEAR.

THE TEAM IS BEHIND ME. THEY HAVE OVER 80 YEARS COMBINED EXPERIENCE WALKING THE HALLS OF TALLAHASSEE AND LOCAL GOVERNMENT. I'LL BET THERE WERE AT LEAST 20 RFPS RELEASED AND WE APPLIED FOR ONLY ONE OF THEM.

AND IT IS FAST-TRACK AND THAT IS CLAY COUNTY.

WE DON'T WANT TO BE THE BIGGEST FIRM IN TALLAHASSEE, THAT IS NOT OUR GOAL. WE LIKE WHAT WE DO AND WE ENJOY OUR CLIENT THAT WE WORK WITH. WE WANT TO CLIENT THAT WE LIKE.

MOST OF YOU KNOW ME LET ME INTRODUCE YOU TO THE REST OF THE TEAM. YES WE ARE RELATED YES WE HAVE THE SAME LAST NAME, WE HAVE BEEN MADDIE FOR 40 YEARS AND IN BUSINESS FOR 38. HE IS MY BEST FRIEND.

LAST YEAR THERE WAS A BILL AND I WANT JACK TO LET YOU KNOW WHAT HAPPENED WITH ONE OF THE WORST BILLS THAT HE WAS APPOINTED TO.

JACK GO AHEAD. >> THANK YOU LADIES AND GENTLEMEN OF THE COMMISSION. AS YOU KNOW THE MAJOR HOME RULE BILL LAST YEAR OPPOSING HOME RULE WAS BILL 620 AS PROPOSED BY THE SENATE PRESIDENT. WITH LOCAL GOVERNMENT TO INCREASE THE CITY SIGNED OFF ON THE BILL AND THE FLORIDA ASSOCIATION SIGNED OFF ON THE BILL IN THE FOURTH WEEK.

HOWEVER OUR LOCAL GOVERNMENT CLIENTS DID NOT WANT TO SIGN OFF AND WANTED TO CONTINUE. FLORIDA TAX LAW ISSUED A TEN PAGE STUDY WHICH TOOK DOWN THE EXACT ISSUE OF THE BILL.

WE BROUGHT THAT DOWN TO A ONE PAGE DOCUMENT THAT WE COULD CONTINUE TO EDUCATE OFF OF. THE BILL WOULD HAVE THE LARGEST UNFUNDED MANDATE IN THE STATE. IT WOULD HAVE LOSS -- COST OUR LOCAL GOVERNMENT APPROXIMATELY $2 MILLION PER YEAR ACCORDING TO THE STUDY. ON 420 THE BEST THAT SHE -- THE BILL PASS BOOK WE WERE ABLE TO PUT TOGETHER AN OPPOSITION AND ALL DEMOCRATIC MEMBERS VOTED AGAINST THE BILL.

NONE OF THEM REPRESENTED OUR LOCAL GOVERNMENT AREAS.

AFTER THE SESSION WE COORDINATE OPPOSITION FROM THE MAYOR IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS WE WILL TRY TO ANSWER THEM FOR YOU.

>> THANK YOU JACK. LIKE HE SAID HE DID NOT LEAD A LEADERSHIP BILL STOP AND WE ARE PROUD OF HIM.

AND JACK THANK YOU FOR YOUR MILITARY SERVICE TOO.

LINDLEY INTRODUCE YOU TO AARON THE VICE PRESIDENT AND MOTHER TO OVER TWO INTERNS. WHEN AARON WAS IN COLLEGE SHE STARTED WORKING FOR US AND NOW SHE RUNS THE OFFICE.

SHE IS A VERY IMPORTANT PART OF OUR TEAM BUT NOT ONLY DOES SHE RUN THE OFFICE BUT AN EXPERT IN TRANSPORTATION ISSUES ANDS AND-

GRANTS. >> THANK YOU, IT IS SO NICE TO TALK TO YOU. I'M VICE PRESIDENT.

ARE CITED WITHIN 15 YEARS AGO AS A RUNNER BACK WHEN RUNNERS WEAR ANYTHING, I LITERALLY RAN BACK AND FORTH FROM THE OFFICE CARRYING PAPERS. I HAVE BEEN PART OF THIS TEAM AND I AM PART OF THEM WE TREAT OUR CLIENTS LIKE FAMILY WHICH IS WHY MY FAMILY IS PRETTY MUCH MOVED INTO THE OFFICE.

THE GOOD PART ABOUT HAVING A SMALL FARM, WE ARE VERY SELECTIVE AND WHEN WE COME TO THE LEGISLATURE TO ASK FOR FUNDING WE DON'T HAVE A HUGE LIST.

THAT TENDS TO BE LOOKED ON VERY POSITIVELY, THERE'S NOT A TIME WHERE WE HAVE TO HEDGE OUR BETS AND SAY THIS ISN'T GOOD BUT WE WILL TAKE THIS ONE. CAN WE WORK CLOSELY WITH THE LEGISLATORS OUTSIDE OF THE ONES THAT REPRESENT YOU.

AND WE WORK WITH THEM TO ENSURE WE HAVE SUPPORT FROM ALL

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DIFFERENT SIDES REPUBLICAN OR DEMOCRAT.

WHEN IT COMES TO COMMUNICATION YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORK FOR A BILL REPORT TO COME FROM US YOU WILL PROBABLY GET A PLAY-BY-PLAY OF WHAT IS HAPPENING FROM EITHER JACK OR I.

YOU WILL HAVE OUR CELL PHONES AT ALL TIMES.

YOU CAN REACH OUT AND TALK TO US.

OUR MAIN GOAL IS TO MAKE SURE YOU ARE NEVER BLINDSIDED AND THAT IS WHY WE ARE HERE AND LOOKING FORWARD TO THE OPPORTUNITY TO REPRESENT YOU. EVERYNE IN FRONT OF YOU IS A GREAT COMPANY BUT WE WOULD TREAT YOU LIKE THE FAMILY YOU LIKE.

NOT THE FAMILY ARE STUCK WITH. >> THANK YOU.

AS YOU KNOW I WORK ON A LOT OF ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND PEOPLE SAY HOW DO YOU DO ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES, THE RABBITS, THE BUNNIES IN THE TREES AND THE BIRDS AND YET YOU BRING IN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, BECAUSE YOU GO TOGETHER. IF YOU HAVE SMART GROWTH YOU CAN HAVE A BEAUTIFUL COMMUNITY AND YOU CAN'T BRING A COMPANY INTO A COMMUNITY THAT IS POLLUTED, UGLY, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A BEAUTIFUL COMMUNITY. IF YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TYPE OF INDUSTRIES, THEY BECOME GOOD STEWARDS OF THE LAND.

THEY WANT TO TAKECARE OF THE LAND AS WELL.

WE HAVE ALWAYS BEEN ABLE TO COMBINE THOSE AND AS YOU HAVE SEEN WITH THE NIAGARA PROJECT WHEN THEY DECIDED THEY WANT TO COME TO CLAY COUNTY THEY SAID DO YOU DO ANYTHING HERE AND I SAID GO FORWARD. THEY ARE GREAT.

WE HAVE CHECKED OUR LIST OF CLIENTS AND WE DON'T SEE ANY CONFLICTS BECAUSE WE HAVE A GREAT LIST.

WE GO THROUGH AND MAKE SURE WE DON'T HAVE CONFLICTS THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO CALL YOUR COUNTY MANAGER OR COUNTY ATTORNEY TO DECLARE THOSE AS WELL. WITH THAT, I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY AND WE HOPE YOU WILL MAKE THE DECISION TO CONSIDER A SPEAR YOU WON'T FIND A BETTER TEAM THAN OUR TEAM PA TO HELP CLAY COUNTY ACHIEVE YOUR GOALS.

THE ONLY COMPLAINT I HAVE ABOUT CLAY COUNTY IS SWEET SENSATION COOKIES ARE JUST TOO DARN GOOD. AND MY CARS ALWAYS DRIVING IN HERE WANTING TO GO THAT WAY BUT I CAME HERE INSTEAD.

THANK YOU. >> I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE FEES. I GUESS $42,000 YEARLY.

WHAT ABOUT ADDITIONAL EXPENSES, HOW DO YOU HANDLE THOSE?

>> THERE WOULD NOT BE ANY ADDITIONAL EXPENSES ON THAT AS

WELL. >> IN TERMS OF YOUR APPROACH, OBVIOUSLY YOU ARE A SMALLER FIRM SO YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO THINGS THAT THE OTHER FIRMS CAN'T WE ARE PRETTY CLOSE TO THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE WE HAVE SOMEONE WE WORKED WITH QUITE A BIT. THAT GIVES US A HELPING AND.

WE HAVE RELATIVELY NEW STATE DELEGATION AT LEAST TWO OUT OF THE THREE ART NEW BUT THEY ARE MOVING UP THE RANKS AS RISING STARS IN THE CAPITAL. WHAT CHALLENGE DOES THAT PRESENT

TO YOU? >> AS FAR AS BEING A SMALL

BUSINESS CRACKS. >> NOT ONLY BEING SMALL, BUT KEEPING PACE, WITH WHERE OUR DELEGATION IS GOING.

DOWNSIDES AS WELL AS UPSIDES FOR AN AGENCY TO WORK WITH THOSE.

>> WE HAVE WORKED WITH, I WILL GIVE YOU THIS.

WE STARTED WITH BOBBY AT THE BEGINNING OF HIS CAMPAIGN.

THE REASON WHY WE TALK TO THEM ABOUT ISSUES GOING ON IN THE COMMUNITY THAT WE WERE TAKING CARE OF.

HE WAS WONDERFUL. WE BELIEVE IN EDUCATING THE MEMORIES AND KEEPING THEM UP TO DATE SO THEY ALWAYS KNOW WHAT PROJECTS ARE IMPORTANT AND WHAT DO YOU WANT TO SEE THEM ACCOMPLISH. LEADERSHIP, YOU HAVE 40 SENATORS AND YOU HAVE 120 HOUSE MEMBERS AND THE THREE OF US ARE ON THE ROAD ALL OF THE TIME. JACK WAS IN SOUTH FLORIDA AND AARON HAS B ROAD. WE VISIT THOSE MEMBERS SO WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SAY LET US TELL YOU ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON. A LOT OF TIMES THEY WILL SAY WE HAVE THIS ISSUE AND LET'S WORK TOGETHER TO COME UP WITH A SOLUTION. THERE IS NOT ENOUGH HOURS IN THE DAY AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE TOUCH EVERY MEMBER THAT WE CAN.

>> ONE QUICK THING. WE ARE ON THE ROAD ALMOST EVERY OTHER WEEK. WE HAVE INTERVIEWED OVER 100 CANDIDATES THIS SUMMER ALONE. WE ARE INVOLVED WITH THE FLORIDA CHAMBER OF COMMERCE SPIRIT AND WE ARE ALWAYS TALKING ABOUT

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PROTECTING THE HOME. THAT IS THE NUMBER ONE ISSUE.

THIS IS ONE OF OUR NUMBER ONE ISSUES.

>> I THINK LEGISLATORS ARE BEING CALLED BACK IN DECEMBER.

I THINK THEY WILL BE FOCUSED ON INSURANCE.

>> WHAT SHOULD THEY BE LOOKING FOR? WHEN WILL THE CHANGE TAKES PLACE?

>> I THINK THAT IS SOMETHING YOU HAVE WATCH.

THE GOVERNOR WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A SPECIAL SESSION.

HE HAS NOT ADDRESSED INSURANCE ISSUES AND PROPERTY TAX.

HE WANTS TO SUSPEND PROPERTY TAX AND YOU WILL HAVE TO MAKE SURE SOMEONE IS THERE, REMINDING THE LEGISLATION THAT PROPERTY TAXES ARE YOUR ISSUES. IF YOU COULD HELP IN SOME WAY THAT'S A DIFFERENT STORY. I DON'T KNOW ABOUT EVERYONE ELSE BUT MY INSURANCE ALMOST DOUBLED. OUR HOUSE GOT CANCELED ON NEW YEAR'S EVE WITH NO CLAIMS. THAT IS SOMETHING YOU HAVE TO WATCH BUT I WANT YOU TO TAKEN NOTE AND WATCH THE PROPERTY TAX.

>> IT IS A BIG ISSUE FOR ALL OF OUR CONSTITUENTS.

THEY WILL HAVE A REAL PROBLEM DOWN THERE.

>> AND WE DON'T REPRESENT ANY INSURANCE COMPANIES.

>> DO YOU REPRESENT ANY COUNTIES.

>> >> THIS IS THE SAME FOR THE CITIES WE REPRESENT. IT IS PART OF OUR BLOODLINE, WHETHER IT BE FOR CITIES OR COUNTIES.

>> I WILL ASK YOU THE SAME QUESTION, WHAT DO YOU SEE YOUR STRATEGY OR VISION FOR CLAY COUNTY?

>> IN THE FIRST THING WE NEED TO DO IS SIT DOWN WITH THE MANAGEMENT TEAM TO DETERMINE THE GOALS.

I JUST CAN'T STAND UP THERE AND SAY LET'S DO THIS BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW IF YOUR TEAM HAS BEEN WORKING ON IT AND TALKING TO THE COMMUNITIES IN THE AREA LET'S PUT TOGETHER A PLAN AND WHAT IS OUR GOAL, AND THIS IS HOW WE WILL ACCOMPLISH IT.

THAT IS THE FIRST THING, COME UP WITH THE PLAN AND MAKE SURE IT

IS WHAT YOU WANT. >> AT THIS TIME WE WILL HAVE

FIORENTINO. >> THANK YOU KAREN, THANK YOU CHAIRMAN, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER.

WE HAVE HAD THE HONOR AND PRIVILEGE OF REPRESENTING THE COUNTY SINCE 2016. WE ARE VERY PROUD OF THE WORK.

FIRST I WANT TO MAKE A FEW NON- INTRODUCTIONS.

SOME OF YOU KNOW OUR FOUNDER AND PRESIDENT HE CAME DOWN WITH COVID. I DID NOT REALIZE IT WAS A THING. AND UNFORTUNATELY OUR TRANSPORTATION EXPERT, ADD A DEATH IN THE FAMILY JUST LAST NIGHT SO SHE COULD NOT MAKE IT. BUT I HAVE DAVID IS ONE OF MY COLLEAGUES AT THE FIRM. HE HAS SOME CLAY COUNTY ROOTS.

HE GREW UP GOING TO CAMP EVERY SUMMER.

AND NOW ON THE BOARD. AND HOPEFULLY WE WILL BE CALLING HIS UNCLE CONGRESSMAN IN A FEW WEEKS.

GLAD TO HAVE DAVIS WITH ME HERE AS WELL.

YOU HAVE OUR ENTIRE PROPOSAL BEFORE YOU BUT I WANT TO GO THROUGH SOME ACCOMPLISHMENTS WE HAVE HAD WITH REGARD TO APPROPRIATIONS. AND JUST TO NAME A FEW.

WE HAD THE BOULEVARD IMPROVEMENTS WE WORKED ON THE SOUTH BRIDGE REHAB AND THE FIRE STATION.

THE IMPROVEMENTS AT CAMP CHILD AND MY KIDS GO TO CAMP THERE'S I WAS HAPPY TO HELP WITH THAT. THE CAPACITY IMPROVEMENTS THE

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FRONTAGE AND ACCESS ROADS. I THINK SOME OF THE GAME CHANGERS, THE SPORTS COMPLEX AND THE GREENWAYS ENTRAILS WHICH ARE VERY DEAR AND THOSE ARE OFF TO A GREAT START AND WE WERE PROUD TO BE PART OF THAT. I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO TAKE A MOMENT TO AMPLIFY A COUPLE OF THE SUCCESSES THAT SHOW ADDED VALUE WHERE THEY ARE NOT JUST TAKING AN ASSIGNMENT AND RUNNING WITH IT. IF YOU WILL RECALL, WALMART DONATED SPACE BEHIND THEIR PROPERTY AND THIS WAS 2016 OR 2017. THE STATE WAS NOT DOLING OUT A LOT OF HOURS BUT WE WERE ABLE TO WORK WITH STAFF AND REALIZE WE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY WITH THE SENATE PRESIDENT WHO HAD A SPECIAL NEEDS CHILD AND WHAT WE DECIDED TO DO WAS ALTER THE PROJECT AND MAKE IT THE MOODY AVENUE PARK.

AS YOU KNOW NOW THAT IS A SHOW PIECE FOR THIS REGION.

WE HAVE FOR DISABLED CHILDREN SO WE WERE HAPPY TO SUPPORT THAT APPROPRIATION AND GET THAT BACK. THE OTHER IS THE SWEAT PROGRAM.

THE DJ CAME TO THE COUNTY AND INCREASE THE COST SHARE SEVERAL YEARS AGO. YOU WERE BASICALLY PAYING RISK CARLTON RATES FOR SECURE DETENTION.

WE GOT WITH COUNTY STAFF AND THE JUDGE OVER AT THE COURTHOUSE AND CAME UP WITH A UNIQUE APPROACH WHERE AND WE CREATED THE SWEAT PROGRAM WHICH WILL ALLOW THE JUDGE TO SENTENCE THEM AND MAKE IMPROVEMENTS IN THE COMMUNITY RATHER THAN BEING HELD OVERNIGHT IN JAIL FACILITIES WE HAVE BEEN SUCCESSFUL CONTINUING THEIR PROGRAM AND I BELIEVE $250,000 PER YEAR FULLY FUNDS THAT.

THAT IS SOMETHING WE ARE REALLY PROUD OF AND LOOK FORWARD TO CONTINUING AS WELL. THE LAST THING I WANT TO MENTION HIS CLAY DAY. THAT IS SOMETHING WE CAME TO THE COUNTY WITH THAT'S AN IDEA, SOMETHING WE SHOULD LOOK TO RAISE THE PROFILE OF THE COUNTY AND LET'S START SMALL AND SEE IF WE CAN GROW THIS THING. YOU GUYS HAVE SAW THE RESULTS.

EVERYONE KNOWS WHERE CLAY COUNTY IS NOW AND WE ARE PROUD OF THAT.

LASTLY, I AM HERE, I AM A PHONE CALL AWAY.

MY DOG CAME FROM THE SHELTER. I AM A CLAY COUNTY GUY.

AND IN FACT I WILL BE LEAVING TO HEAD TO THE WRESTLING ROOM.

WE THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY AND THE YEARS WE HAVE BEEN YOU ALSO HAVE THE UNIQUE PERSPECTIVE OF LIVING HERE AND EXPERIENCING THE NIGHTMARE THAT OTHERS HAVE TO LIVE WITH ON A DAILY BASIS.

WHAT WOULD YOUR VISION OR STRATEGY BE FOR CLAY COUNTY

GOING FORWARD? >> I LOOK FORWARD TO DOING THAT.

>> AND IF THERE IS A ROLE FOR THEM AS YOU MAKE YOUR DECISIONS

AS WELL. >> DO YOU HAVE ANY REGRETS, OR

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THINGS YOU COULD'VE DONE BETTER. >> THERE'S ALWAYS REGRETS.

WE HAVE A COUPLE OF ITEMS WE HAVE SOMETHING THAT WAS VETOED, ESPECIALLY SEEING THE FIRE STATION KEYSTONE OPEN UP.

THAT IS CERTAINLY SOMETHING THAT HAS STUCK.

WE TEND TO REMEMBER OUR LOSSES MORE THAN HOUR WINDS.

THAT IS DEFINITELY ONE I WOULD.TO.

>> THE THINGS YOU COULD PROBABLY BUILD ON.

>> ABSOLUTELY. OF.

>> YOU HAVE HEARD IT BEFORE YOU HAVE GREAT FIRM SPIRIT I THINK YOU ACCOMPLISHED WHAT YOU WANTED.

YOU HAD SOME GOOD RESPONSES. I THINK THERE ARE POSITIVES, WE LIKE TO SAY, WE ARE BIG ENOUGH TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE BUT SMALL ENOUGH TO CARE. THAT IS THE MANTRA WE LIVE BY

EVERY DAY. >> I HAVE TO GO WITH WHAT THE COMMISSIONER SAID. SINCE I GOT TO THE BOARD NEAR 2016, I THINK YOU DID A GOOD JOB AND YOU BROUGHT HOME A LOT OF THE FUNDS WE HAVE USED FOR ROADS AND SWEAT PROGRAMS, WHAT IS THE APPROACH FROM THIS POINT FORWARD.

WHERE DO WE HAVE TO GO, IS IT MORE OF THE SAME OR DO YOU HAVE THOUGHTS WE NEED TO GO ON A DIFFERENT DIRECTION?

>> FIRST OF ALL THERE IS STILL SURPLUS SO APPROPRIATIONS IS AN AREA WE SHOULD FOCUS ON. OBVIOUSLY WITH THE GLOBAL ECONOMY, WHO KNOWS WHERE THAT WILL GO WE TRY TO BE ADAPTIVE AND ADJUSTS, AND I THINK YOU MAY RECALL IN 2020 AT THE ONSET OF COVID-19, NONE OF US HAD A CLUE WHERE THINGS WERE GOING.

WE SAID WE WOULD ADJUST OUR FEE DURING THIS TIME BECAUSE WE RECOGNIZE YOUR CHALLENGES AS WELL.

I DO THINK APPROPRIATIONS IS AN AREA WE SHOULD FOCUS ON, BUT BE PREPARED TO ADAPT SHOULD THAT ARISE.

>> THANK YOU. >> THE ONLY QUESTION I HAVE, ONE OF OUR SHORTFALLS IS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.

WHAT CAN YOU DO TO HELP US IN THAT REGARD.

>> I'M A LITTLE EMBARRASSED BECAUSE I'M ON THE ADC BOARD BUT I THINK THAT IS SOMETHING THAT HAS GOTTEN BETTER.

I FEEL LIKE, WITH LANDING BIGGER COMPANIES, THAT HAS BEEN A POSITIVE FOR THE COMMUNITY. IT IS SOMETHING LIKE COMMISSIONER BURKE SAID, IT'S TOUGH.

FINDING THE BUSINESSES THAT CAN PAY THE WAGES WE NEED SO PEOPLE CAN LIVE IN THE COUNTY IS SOMETHING WE HAVE TO FOCUS ON.

>> LIKE I SAID I THINK I IT HAS GOTTEN BETTER BUT I THINK

THERE'S ROOM FOR IMPROVEMENT. >> ONE LAST QUESTION.

IN ONE OF THE BRIEFS THEIRS AND ACKERMAN, PCB WHAT IS US AND FOR

WAX. >> PROPOSED COMMITTEE BILL.

>> PCB -- >> THAT IS A BIG PROBLEM TOO.

THANK YOU. >> IT IS ALWAYS EASIEST TO GO WITH THE FLOW SO WHERE DO YOU SEE THE LEGISLATION GOING NEXT

YEAR? >> YOU HAVE A GOVERNOR, WHO BY ALL ACCOUNTS IS RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT I THINK YOU WILL SEE A LOT OF THE GLOBAL ISSUES AT STATE LEVEL.

YOU MAY SEE BILLS ON ABORTION AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

A LOT OF IT WILL BE THE ECONOMY, WHERE DOES IT FALL OUT WE HAVE HAD A GREAT RUN AS FAR AS GOVERNMENT FUNDS SO THAT'S A PRETTY LARGE SURPLUS. IT'S HARD TO PREDICT THE WEATHER TO BE HONEST WE'RE I FEEL, FLORIDA I CAN EMPHATICALLY SAY WE ARE IN BETTER SHAPE BETTER SHAPE THAN A LOT OF OUR NEIGHBORS, WE HAVE BEEN RESPONSIBLE WITH THE FUNDS AND MAKING SURE WE HAVE HAD RESERVE SPIRIT AND IT REALLY WASN'T A

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FINANCIAL BURDEN WE WERE ABLE TO JUMP RIGHT IN AND SERVE THE NEEDS OF THE PEOPLE. LIKE I SAID, REALLY HARD TO PREDICT BUT I FEEL LIKE WE ARE IN A GOOD PLACE AS A STATE RIGHT

NOW. >> THANK YOU.

>> NOW WE WILL HAVE OUR LAST PRESENTER, THE SOUTHERN GROUP OF

FLORIDA. >> GOOD EVENING, I MAY PARTNER WITH SOUTHERN GROUP IN TALLAHASSEE.

WE CERTAINLY APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK WITH YOU AND GET TO KNOW YOU AND THE FIRM.

THE SOUTHERN GROUP -- WE ARE THE LARGEST FIRM IN FLORIDA.

WE HAVE OFFICES IN STRATEGIC AREAS AROUND THE STATE.

JACKSONVILLE, ORLANDO, TEMPE, MIAMI, THE KEYS.

WE HAVE A NEW OFFICE IN BROWARD COUNTY WITH TALLAHASSEE BEING THE MOTHER SHIP IF YOU WILL OF THE FIRM ITSELF.

WE PRIDE OURSELVES ON TAKING PEOPLE OUT OF STATE GOVERNMENT WHO HAVE HAD KEY ROLLS IN VARIOUS POSITIONS.

WE HAVE HAD FORMER SECRETARIES OF DOT, THE DEPARTMENT OF MANAGEMENT SERVICES. VARIOUS HEALTHCARE AGENCIES AS WELL. WE HAVE A LOT OF SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS AND THAT IS IMPORTANT. WE ALSO HAVE FOUR ATTORNEYS WITHIN THE FIRM AS WELL. AS MR. MOORE MENTIONED EARLIER YOU DEAL WITH A LOT OF LEGAL ISSUES SO IT HELPS TO HAVE THAT BACKGROUND TO WORK WITH YOUR COUNTY ATTORNEY TO WORK ON VARIOUS ISSUES THAT MAY POP UP. THIS IS AN IDEA OF THE MAKEUP.

THE TOP ROW, THAT IS THE TEAM THAT WILL BE WORKING FOR CLAY COUNTY. AS I SAID, EACH INDIVIDUAL IS LOCATED AROUND THE STATE, BUT WE HAVE UP TO 32 LOBBYISTS.

WHICH IS KEY BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THAT IS WHERE MOST EVERYTHING TAKES PLACE, AND THROUGHOUT THE YEAR END YOU MAY ALSO HAVE A CABINET ISSUE OR AGENCY ISSUES. WE HAVE THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH OVER WHAT HAVE YOU. TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE AMOUNT OF BILLS THAT HAVE BEEN FILED YOU HAVE 12% THAT PAST. WHICH IS LOW.

THIS WOULD GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF THE APPROPRIATION SUCCESSES WE RECEIVED $35 MILLION, THESE ARE THINGS THEY WOULD PUT IN TO WORK THROUGH THE PROCESS IN TALLAHASSEE OVER THE LAST SEVEN YEARS WE HAVE BEEN EXTREMELY SUCCESSFUL AND LOOK TO BE SUCCESSFUL GOING INTO IT NEXT YEAR AS WELL.

AGAIN, WE PRIDE OURSELVES ON HAVING THESE OFFICES THAT HAVE RELATIONSHIPS WITH INDIVIDUAL LEGISLATORS IN VARIOUS AREAS.

YOU HAVE 40 SENATORS HOUSE MEMBERS, YOU CERTAINLY NEED EVERYBODY TO HELP YOU AND THAT IS WHY WE LEAN ON OUR OFFICES.

THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT HAVE RELATIONSHIPS.

YOU AND CLAY COUNTY HAVE BEEN EXTREMELY FORTUNATE.

YOU HAVE HAD SOME OUTSTANDING LEGISLATURES LEGISLATES OARS WITH THE EDITION OF THE ONES WE DISCUSSED EARLIER.

WE HAVE WONDERFUL WORKING RELATIONSHIPS WITH SENATOR BRADLEY AND WE WILL CONTINUE WORKING WITH THEM ON THOSE RELATIONSHIPS. I HAVE MULTIPLE CLIENTS HAVE BEEN LOBBYING FOR 27 YEARS. FLORIDA IS SO DIFFERENT THAN EVERYONE ELSE. WE HAVE THIS UNIQUE PROCESS IN FLORIDA WITH THE REPUBLICAN MAJORITY.

WE KNOW WHO THE LEADERS WILL BE 6-8 YEARS IN ADVANCE WHICH IS USUALLY UNUSUAL. WE PRIDE OURSELVES ON WORKING

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WITH THE UP-AND-COMING'S LEGISLATIVE DOORS AS THEY GET THROUGH THE PROCESS OF WHEN THEY ARE TOWARDS THE END AND IN THE POSITIONS THAT THEY ARE THAT WE HAVE BEEN WITH THEM AND WE HAVE AN OUTSTANDING RELATIONSHIP. AGAIN, ONE THING WE DO IS WE HAVE A MATRIX AND WE RANKED ABOUT RELATIONSHIPS WE HAVE WITH THE LEGISLATORS SO WE CAN BRING SOMEONE INTO A CERTAIN SITUATION IF WE NEED THEIR HELP. NOT EVERYONE CAN HAVE A GREAT RELATIONSHIP IT'S IMPOSSIBLE. THAT'S ANOTHER THING THAT DIFFERENTIATES OURSELVES SOME OF THE COUNTIES THAT WE WORK WITH AND CITIES, WE DO REPRESENT MULTIPLE COUNTIES WITHIN THE TEAM THIS IS ONLY VOLUSIA THAT THE TEAM WORKS WITH.

A LOT OF THE OFFICES OF REPRESENTING LOCAL GOVERNMENTS AND THEIR GEOGRAPHICAL AREA BECAUSE OF THEIR RELATIONSHIPS DOWN THERE. WE ALSO SENDS OUT VARIOUS REPORTS ON COMMITTEES SO YOU ARE UP-TO-DATE AND YOU KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON. WE DO IT WEEKLY DURING THE SESSION OR YOU WILL GET A SUMMARY OF REPORT.

ONE THING THEY STARTED DOING, A LOT OF VIRTUAL SUMMITS I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT ZOOM WAS A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO AND NOW EVERYONE KNOWS, IT WAS A WAY WE COULD HELP EXISTING CLIENTS WORK IN A SETTING THAT NO ONE EXPECTED SO WE CAN HAVE COMMUNITY LEADERS ON THOUGHT PROVOKING SUBJECT MATTERS AND WE DO SUMMITS LIKE

THAT AS WELL. >> JUST TO GIVE YOU A LEGISLATIVE TIMELINE. I'M NOT SURE YOU KNOW WHAT THE PROCESS IS COMING FORWARD. WE DO HAVE AN ORGANIZATIONAL SESSION AFTER THE ELECTION. AS MENTIONED EARLIER THE GOVERNOR IS INDICATING HE WILL CALLS -- I CALL A SPECIAL SESSION IN DECEMBER. IT MAY TAKES THE PLACE OF WHAT COULD BE A COMMITTEE WEEK. THAT IS LEFT TO BE FIGURED OUT.

ONCE EVERYONE IS SWORN IN. WE WILL HAVE A BETTER IDEA WE WILL AND THEN WE WILL BEGIN AROUND MARCH 7.

AND THAT WILL GO INTO MAY. YOU WILL WORK WITH THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE AND MAKE THE BEST CASE FOR THE PROJECT I THINK ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT MAKES SENSE IS TO SIT DOWN WITH STAFF MAKING SURE THEY UNDERSTAND AND WORK THROUGH THE PROCESS AND GET READY TO SUBMIT THE FORMS AS JOE MENTIONED, THE STATE IS IN GREAT FINANCIAL SHAPE.

IT WAS CERTAINLY DEVASTATING FOR SOUTHWEST FLORIDA BUT FINANCIALLY I DON'T ANTICIPATE WE APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SUBMIT OUR PROPOSAL AND SPEAK WITH YOU I LOVE THE OPPORTUNITY

TO WORK WITH YOU. >> DOES YOUR FEE INCLUDE ALL

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MATERIAL CLICKS. >> YES.

>> HAVE YOU CHOSEN A POINT PERSON ON YOUR STAFF?

>> THE POINT PERSON FOR CLAY COUNTY, THAT WOULD BE MYSELF.

I ALSO LEFT OUT, YOU HAVE DONE A FABULOUS JOB.

WE WOULD BE ABLE TO HELP TO CONTINUE THE SUCCESS.

AND YOUR APPROACH. YOU HAVE ONE OF THE BEST FIRM SPIRIT WHAT DISADVANTAGES DOES IF ANY CLICKS.

>> I DON'T FEEL LIKE WE DO. THE LEGISLATIVE PROCESS CAN BE COMPLICATED DEPENDING ON THE ISSUE.

WE HAVE A LOT OF SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS BEAR I'VE BEEN LOBBYING SINCE 95. I'M NOT AN EXPERT.

BUT I KNOW A LOT ABOUT EVERYTHING.

I THINK PULLING PEOPLE IN, AND RELYING ON THEM TO HELP YOU

NAVIGATE THE PROCESS. >> IF WE COULD GO BACK, THE BAR GRAPH TO THE RIGHT, YOU HAVE A RED SECTION, WHAT IS THAT.

>> THAT WAS THE NUMBER OF BILLS THAT ACTUALLY PASS.

THAT IS HOW MANY WERE INTRODUCED YOU ARE ACTUALLY AT THE 12% NUMBER. IT IS STAGGERING WHEN YOU THINK

ABOUT IT. >> BEEN I THOUGHT THIS WAS

ADDED. >> THE NUMBERS ARE, IT GOES BACK, YOUR LEADERSHIP, WILL HAVE A SUBJECT MATTER.

>> BACK TO INSURANCE THEN INSURANCE RATES ARE KILLING

EVERYONE. >> ONE THINK THEY TALK ABOUT, THE DIFFICULTIES WITH LITIGATION.

THEY HAVE TRIED TO TACKLE THAT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE, AND THEY HAVE CHIPPED AWAY AT IT. FOR WHATEVER REASON IN THE PAST YOU HAVE HAD DIFFERENT INTEREST GROUPS THAT GET INVOLVED.

YOU CAN'T QUITE GET THERE. THIS STORM HAS CAUSED CATASTROPHIC ISSUES WITH THE INSURANCE MARKET AND IT WILL TAKE A LOT OF PEOPLE TO COME UP WITH A SOLUTION BECAUSE THE NUMBERS, CITIZENS, FEEL THIS IS AT THE BRINK.

I CAN'T GIVE YOU A DEFINITIVE ANSWER BUT I CAN PROMISE YOU, AS THE STORM WAS EATING, THERE WERE SUBJECT EDITORS TRYING TO COME UP WITH THE WAY BECAUSE I THINK EVERYONE HAD A GOOD IDEA.

>> I DO DABBLE IN THE INSURANCE WORLD.

BASICALLY WHAT YOU HAVE -- I'M SHORT.

WHAT YOU HAVE IS YOU HAVE INSURANCE RATES THAT ARE GOING UP BECAUSE OF THE FRAUD. AND HURRICANE IRMA IT IN 2017 AND INSURANCE LOSS BIGWIG HURRICANE IRMA AND ALSO HURRICANE MICHAEL. THAT IS WITH ALL OF THE LOSSES

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AROUND THE WORLD INCLUDING AND YOU HAVE THAT HAPPENING THEN YOU HAVE THE NUTRITIONAL CLAIMS LIKE YOUR NORMAL, AVERAGE CLAIMS. LIKE A KITCHEN FIRE, A WATER LEAK, THEN YOU HAVE THE LITIGATION ASPECT. IT WAS REALLY THE PERFECT STORM.

AND THE LOSSES ARE NOT SUSTAINABLE.

YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE RAPID INCREASES FROM INSURANCE AND BELT LOSSES THAT WERE WITH AOB, AND STORMS ON TOP OF IT.

AND YOU CAN'T KEEP YOUR SURPLUS, BECAUSE EVERYTHING IS FLYING OUT OF THE DOOR. AND JUST TO HIGHLIGHT, THE APPROPRIATION PROCESS, NOT ONLY DO WE HAVE RELATIONSHIPS WITH LEADERSHIP, WE HAVE TAPPED IN THOSE RELATIONSHIPS.

WE DON'T HAVE JUST ONE SHINING START THAT IS THE LEADER.

WE HAVE PERSONAL FRIENDSHIPS AND RELATIONSHIPS THAT WE BUILT AND CREATED AND WE SIT DOWN AND STRATEGIZE.

LET'S SAY UP A GREAT RELATIONSHIP WITH REPRESENTATIVE GARRISON AND MAY BE BRYANT IS ONE OF MY PARTNER SAYS THAT DON'T HAVE A STRONG RELATIONSHIP.

WE WILL BUILD EACH OTHER'S RELATIONSHIPS BECAUSE THE REALITY IS YOU HAVE TO DEFINE AND CONQUER.

WHAT WE HAVE DONE, I'D LIKE TO SIT DOWN WITH CLIENTS, I ALSO DABBLE IN THE APPROPRIATIONS WORLD.

I LIKE TO SIT DOWN WITH MY CLIENTS WELL BEFORE THE LEGISLATION BEGINS. GIVE ME YOUR WISH LIST.

THIS IS YOUR SCENARIO. THEN WE HAVE A LONG-TERM PLAN.

YOU GUYS HAVE A GREAT DELEGATION YOU HAVE LEADERSHIP IN THE HOUSE BEAR YOU HAVE BRADLEY WHOSE RISING THROUGH THE RANKS WILL BE IN LEADERSHIP. THEN YOU HAVE THE SAM GARRISON WHO WILL BE SPEAKER ONE DAY. YOU SHOULD HAVE A SHORT TERM PLAN FOR WHAT YOU WANT TO GO FOR BUT YOU ALSO NEED A LONG-TERM PLAN AND YOU WANT TO SIT DOWN AND DROPPED EVERYTHING OUT AND SAY THESE ARE SOME IDEAS, WHAT DO YOU THINK.

I HAVE SEEN THAT WHEN THEY FEEL PART OF IT THEY WILL TELL YOU THE TRUTH. I LIKE THIS PROJECT OR I LIKE THAT PROJECT AND YOU GO THROUGH, AND WHEN YOU HAVE THEIR BUY-IN, YOU WILL HAVE THAT TORCH CARRIER BECAUSE WE ARE ONLY ALLOWED TO GO SO FAR. BUT IF YOU HAVE THE TORCH CARRIER THEY ARE FIGHTING FOR YOU.

WE ALSO HAVE THE DEPTH AND RELATIONSHIPS TO CALL PRESIDING OFFICERS. WE HAVE BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL.

THE REASON YOU SEE THE SUCCESS RATE, LAST YEAR, IF THERE WERE EXTRA MONEY WE CAN SAY COULD YOU THROW SOME EXTRA MONEY HERE OR THERE AND WE WERE SUCCESSFUL. WE HAVE DONE A GREAT JOB BUILDING ON APPROPRIATIONS PRACTICE GROUP AND STRATEGIC IN HOW WE DIVIDE AND CONQUER AND THAT HAS MADE US WHAT WOULD YOU DO TO NOT LET OTHERS BE PUSHED ASIDE BECAUSE YOU HAVE SUCH A BIG FARM. IF WE ARE LUCKY ENOUGH TO BE CHOSEN, THAT'S THE BEAUTY OF HAVING SO MANY INDIVIDUALS WITHIN THE FIRM. THESE ARE NOT ALL OUR CLIENTS WOULD DO YOU THINK YOUR STRATEGY WOULD BE.

>> YOU CAN CERTAINLY SEE THE ISSUES.

GETTING DOWN HERE IS DIFFICULT. IT GOES BACK TO SITTING DOWN

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WITH YOUR STAFF WHAT ARE YOUR GOALS WORKING WITH DOT AND THE BEST WAY OF MAKING SURE WE ARE ON THE LIST, THE FIVE-YEAR PLAN AND IF WE CAN PUSH IT UP. FOR US IT WILL TAKE TIME FOR US TO UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'VE TRIED TO DO IN THE PAST OF THE FUTURE.

WE HAVE ALL BEEN DOING THIS FOR A WHILE SO IT DOESN'T TICK US

LONG TO GET UP SPEED. >> YOU PIQUED MY INTEREST TALKING ABOUT AND OTHERS HAVE TALKED ABOUT HURRICANE IAN.

DO YOU THINK THIS WILL BE ALL ABOUT HURRICANE IAN.

AND I DON'T WANT TO SOUND LIKE I BROKE MY SYMPATHY BONES BUT AS OFFICIALS WE HAVE PROBLEMS THAT AFFECT THE TAXPAYERS DAILY AND THEY FEEL BADLY BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY THEY ARE STILL TAXPAYERS AND THEY FEEL LIKE THEY SHOULD GET EQUAL ATTENTION.

DO YOU THINK, I REMEMBER PARKLAND AND GRANTED DO YOU THINK HURRICANE IAN WILL CHANGE THAT THIS YEAR?

>> I THINK IT WILL HELP HAVING A SPECIAL SESSION AND HOPEFULLY THEY WILL TACKLE THIS IS THE GOOD THING ABOUT THE STATE BEING IN GREAT FINANCIAL POSTURE. LIKE A LOT OF OTHER STATES IT WOULD BE A LONG ROAD FOR CLAY COUNTY TO FOCUS ON THEIR ISSUES.

>> ALSO PEAKED MY INTEREST WITH YOUR DISCUSSION OF THE MATRIX.

>> WE KEEP THIS INTERNAL WITHIN OUR DATABASE.

NOT ALL 32 OF US KNOW EXACTLY WHAT ISSUE MEAN BABE -- WE MAY BE WORKING WITH. I'M I NEED YOUR HELP ON THAT.

IT IS UPDATED DURING THE ELECTIONS AND YOU DO HAVE TURNOVERS. IT IS CONSTANTLY UP-TO-DATE.

>> THERE'S TWO OF YOU ON THIS PICTURE AND IT LOOKS SIMILAR.

>> MAYBE IT IS MY EYES. >> THANK YOU AGAIN VERY MUCH.

>> YOU DO HAVE YOUR SCORESHEET. SCORING 1-4 NUMBER ONE BEING THE COMPANY MOST QUALIFIED. I WILL GIVE YOU A MOMENT TO REVIEW THE SCORESHEET. CHANGE.

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>> CAPITAL CITY FOUR. CHANCE OF THE LOWEST SCORES RANKED THE HIGHEST. THE SOUTHERN GROUP NINE.

THE FLORENTINE GROUP AND CAPITAL CITY 18.

NO CHANGES TO THAT THEN STAFF WILL BEGIN WORKING WITH THE NUMBER ONE RANKED FIRM AND BRING THAT BACK TO THE BOARD IN THE

FORM OF AN AGREEMENT. >> CAN YOU READ THE NUMBERS

AGAIN. >> I'M SORRY.

THE SOUTHERN GROUP NINE. THE BUKE HE ATE -- BUKE 811.

PUBLIC AFFAIRS 12 C-UPPERCASE-LETTER KEY 18.

>> I APPRECIATE EVERYONE BEING HERE TONIGHT TO PRESENT.

>> AS EVERYONE IS GETTING UP TO LEAVE WE APPRECIATE THE TIME AND EFFORT TO DO PRESENTATIONS BOTH WRITTEN AND VERBAL, NOT AN EASY THING TO DO, TO SIT HERE AND PICK ONE OUT OF FOUR TO REPRESENT US. IT WAS NOT EASY -- I VOTE FOR THE GROUP THAT WAS WITH US FOR THE LAST SIX YEARS THEY DID A GOOD JOB. HE'S A MEMBER OF OUR COMMUNITY, A DEAR FRIEND. THAT WAS NOT EASY ON OUR PART TO DO THAT SOLDIER WE WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU KNOW YOUR FIRM DID A GREAT JOB AND WE APPRECIATE EVERYTHING.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU TO ALL OF THE OTHER FOLKS. WE APPRECIATE IT.

[17. 5:00 p.m. or as soon thereafter as can be heard - Public hearing on adoption of the Clay County Comprehensive Impact Fee Ordinance for Government, Jails, and Constitutional Facilities; Fire and Rescue Facilities; Law Enforcement Facilities; Parks and Recreation Facilities; and Library and Cultural Facilities.]

>> OKAY, WHERE ARE WE. SEVENTEEN.

PUBLIC HEARING ON THE CLAY COUNTY COMPREHENSIVE JAILS UNCONSTITUTIONAL FACILITIES. LAW-ENFORCEMENT FACILITIES, PARK AND RECREATION FACILITIES, LIBRARY AND CULTURAL FACILITIES.

>> GOOD EVENING. BEFORE YOU TODAY IS THE ORDINANCE TO ADOPT THE IMPACT FEES AS LISTED, AS YOU KNOW LAST MEETING WE PRESENTED A STUDY, CARLOS IS HERE TO GO OVER THE

STUDY IF YOU SHALL DESIRE. >> DO YOU WANT TO GO BACK OVER

IT? >> A FEW PEOPLE ARE SAYING THEY DID NOT HEAR ABOUT IT UNTIL LAST NIGHT.

>> WHAT IS THE HISTORY ON WHEN THIS WAS BROUGHT UP.

>> I DON'T HAVE THE FULL HISTORY IN FRONT OF ME.

THIS WAS ONE OF THE AGENDA ITEMS, WHEN WE DID OUR FOCUS SESSION BACK IN NOVEMBER OR DECEMBER THIS WAS ONE OF THE ITEMS PUT UP THEN. AS A STRATEGIC WORKSHOP ITEM THAT THE BOARD WANTED US TO WORK ON.

SIX MONTHS AGO WE BROUGHT BEFORE THE RFP TO DO THE STUDY.

>> MARCH 1. >> AFTER THAT WE BROUGHT THE AGREEMENT BACK TO THE BOARD, I'M SURE HE HAS THE DATE FOR THAT TOO. APRIL 12, WE BROUGHT BACK THE INFORMATION IN TWO WEEKS AGO WE PRESENTED THE STUDY TO THE

BOARD. >> APRIL 12, WE APPROVE THE

CONTRACT. >> THANK YOU COMMISSIONER.

>> THIS HAS BEEN A TEN MONTH PROCESS FROM WHEN IT WAS FIRST

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ON THE HORIZON. IF YOU WANT TO SEE THE PRESENTATION, CARLOS IS HERE TO GIVE THE PRESENTATION.

>> GOOD EVENING, HAPPY TO BE HERE WITH YOU.

TO PRESENT THE RESULTS OF THE DEVELOPMENTAL IMPACT FEES STUDY.

JUST SO WE ARE ON THE SAME PAGE, THIS IS A ONE PACK -- ONE TIME CHARGE TO ALL PROJECTS WITHIN A DEFINED AREA.

THEY HAVE DIFFERENT ZONES. THE STUDY CAN BE ADOPTED WITH ONE FEE SCHEDULE AND ALL INCORPORATED AREAS AND CITIES THAT RECEIVE CERTAIN SERVICES. THE KEY HERE IS THESE IMPACT FEES ARE NEEDED TO SERVE NEW DEVELOPMENT.

WE START BY ESTIMATING DEMAND FOR FACILITIES AND THOSE WE ARE CONSIDERING TODAY THAT IS PEOPLE.

SO RESIDENTS ARE PEOPLE THAT WORK IN THE COUNTY.

WE WILL THEN IDENTIFY FACILITY STANDARDS AND I WILL DISCUSS THIS MORE PUP FACILITY STANDARDS ARE WAY TO QUANTIFY DEMAND.

WE CAN THEN DETERMINE THE NEEDED FACILITIES AND THE COST USING THE FACILITY STANDARDS OR OTHER PLANNING THE COUNTY HAS COMPLETED. WE CAN THEN ALLOCATE A SHARE OF THE COST TO ACCOMMODATE GROWTH. THERE ARE CERTAIN FACILITIES THAT WILL SERVE EXISTING AND DOING THE IMPACT FEES CANNOT FUND THE ENTIRETY. THE EXISTING DEVELOPMENT NEEDS TO FUND THEIR FAIR SHARE OF THESE FACILITIES.

IN THOSE CASES, WE WILL IDENTIFY THE FUNDING NEEDED AND FINALLY WE CALCULATE THE FEE SCHEDULE BY ALLOCATING THE COST PER UNIT DEVELOPMENT. 1,000 SQUARE FEET OF NONRESIDENTIAL SPACE. SO, THESE ARE THE IMPACT FEE CATEGORIES WE ARE LOOKING AT TODAY.

GOVERNMENT, JAILS UNCONSTITUTIONAL FACILITIES.

LAW ENFORCEMENT, PARKS AND RECREATION AND LIBRARY AND CULTURAL FACILITIES. AS I MENTIONED EARLIER THE FIRST STEP IS IDENTIFYING THE LAND USE AN AREA OR THE ESTIMATE OF DEMAND SPIRIT YEARS THE TABLE PRODUCE WE ESTIMATE THIS IN 2021 AND 2045 THE PROJECTION IS THE MEDIAN PROJECTION WHICH IS THE BUREAU AND THE RECENT MOBILITY IMPACT FEES STUDY.

I MENTIONED I WOULD BE DISCUSSING FACILITY STANDARDS.

THIS DEMONSTRATES THE DIFFERENT APPROACHES WE COULD TAKES.

THIS TWO OF THEM. THE EXISTING INVENTORY.

>> HOW MANY ACRES ARE PROVIDED. THIS IS ONLY SERVING NEW DEVELOPMENT. THEY CAN IDENTIFY THE SYSTEM TO SERVE BOTH EXISTING AND NEW DEVELOPMENT.

AS THEY BUILT MORE FIRE STATIONS THEY WILL HAVE A NEW DEVELOPMENT

AS IT OCCURRED SPIRIT. >> THIS ILLUSTRATES THE APPROACHES USING THE STUDY. ON THE LEFT YOU HAVE THE EXISTING METHOD WHERE THE AMOUNT OF FACILITIES NEEDED ARE PROPORTIONAL TO THE INCREASING DEMAND.

ON THE RIGHT YOU SEE THE SYSTEM PLAN METHOD.

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YOU CAN CERTAINLY CHARGE NEW DEVELOPMENT AT THE HIGHER LEVEL BUT NEW DEVELOPMENT CAN'T FUND THE ENTIRETY OF THE SERVICE.

AS YOU CAN SEE. >> THIS IS FOR PARKS AND RECREATION AND FOR THESE CATEGORIES, THE IMPACT FEE STUDY IS CALCULATED SO THIS MAINTAINS THE EXISTING LEVEL.

HERE IS JUST A QUICK SUMMARY NONE OF THE IMPACT FEES CAN BE USED FOR MPEG OR MAINTENANCE. THESE ARE AN EXPANSION OF CURRENT CAPACITY. THIS WILL BRING EXISTING DEVELOPMENT OF TO THE HIGHER LEVEL OF SERVICE FOR FIRE AND RESCUE AND LAW ENFORCEMENT FACILITY FEES BY 2045.

THEY WOULD HAVE TO THEIR THIS IS THE MAXIMUM FEE SCHEDULE.

THERE ARE RESIDENTIAL AND NON- RESIDENTIAL FEE CATEGORIES, THIS IS THIS IS JUST A COUPLE OF NOTES HERE SOME COUNTIES HAVE

FEES. >> CAN YOU TOUCH ON WHY THAT IS

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SUCH A BIG DIFFERENCE. I KNOW IT IS THE MOBILITY FEE.

>> THIS VARIES BY ZONE. OR IF YOU ARE IN THE HIGH FEE

ZONE. >> IF YOU'RE IN THE LOW MOBILITY FEE ZONE YOU WILL BE THE BOTTOM IN OF THE COUNTY SURVEYED AND IF YOU ARE IN THE HIGH FEE ZONE IT WOULD BE NEARLY THE HIGHEST.

THAT IS THE END OF MY PRESENTATION HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY

QUESTIONS. >> JUST TO CLARIFY ... SAY IS, I'M THINKING OF MUTUAL AID AND THE FIRE COMPANY IN HOUSE, AND THE FIRE STATIONS, WE WON'T HAVE TWO SWAT TEAMS.

>> WITH FIRE AND RESCUE YOUR EXISTING LEVEL OF SERVICE IS NOT SUFFICIENT. IT NEEDS TO BE RAISED.

NEW DEVELOPMENT WILL ALSO BENEFIT.

>> NO MATTER WHAT, TO MEET THAT NEED YOU NEED TO COME UP WITH $154 MILLION.

>> IS THAT THE PROJECTED CAP. I WAS GOING TO ASK THAT

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QUESTION. >> THEY WERE, MODEL AND WHAT THIS WILL SHOW AS WE BUILD OUT. THE OTHER QUESTION I HAVE, THESE ESTIMATES ARE CURRENT. WE ARE COMPARING THEM TO ESTIMATES THAT WERE DONE FOR-5 YEARS AGO IN THE OTHER COUNTIES.

>> >> THERE ESTIMATES WERE CALCULATED AND PREDICATED, ABSOLUTELY.

AND THE TIMEFRAME, BUT THE OLDER STUDY, WE DO UNDERSTAND THEY ARE

CURRENTLY UPDATING THEIR FEES. >> THE OTHER THING, FLORIDA STATUTE REQUIRES A REVIEW OF THESE COSTS EVERY FIVE YEARS.

>> THEY NEED TO BE UPDATED EVERY FIVE YEARS.

THE LIKELIHOOD OF THESE COSTS GOING DOWN, IS VERY REMOTE.

IT IS PROBABLE IT WILL GO UP IN THE NEXT FIVE YEARS.

THE COST TO BUILD THESE FIRE STATIONS AND THESE EXPANSIONS WILL COST MORE THAN WHAT WE HAVE ESTIMATED.

>> THAT IS WHY IT IS RECOMMENDED THAT FEES ARE ADJUSTED FOR THE TIMES YOU DO COMPREHENSIVE REVIEWS.

>> OKAY, CAN YOU CLARIFY THE STATEMENT.

UP UNTIL THIS YEAR WE HAVE HAD VERY LOW INFLATION AND NOW WE

HAVE HAD THE PEKIN INFLATION. >>

>> EVERYTHING WOULD MOVE IN CONCERT AS THEY ARE ADJUSTED FOR

INFLATION. >> WE DID OUR REQUEST FOR THE FACILITY NEEDS TO INCREASE THE DEMAND AND THAT DATA CAME FROM

THE COUNTY. >> I WOULD DEFINITELY LIKE TO POINT OUT NASSAU COUNTY HAS BEEN PAYING FEES LIKE THIS FOR YEARS.

>> I BELIEVE SO. >> WE ARE 25TH AS FAR AS THE POPULATION GROWING BY THE MINUTE.

YET WE ARE PAYING A SMALL AMOUNT OF TAX COMPARED TO MANY COUNTIES. AND FROM WHAT I HEARD, THIS FEE WOULD ACCOUNT TO ABOUT $11,000 PER MONTH.

>> DEPENDING ON YOUR MORTGAGE RATE.

IT IS -- $47. >> THAT WOULD ONLY APPLY TO PEOPLE BUYING NEW HOMES. I WOULD COUNTER THE FACT THAT THE 7% INTEREST RATE, AND THOSE LISTENING ARE NOT PAYING 7% ON THE MORTGAGE. IT REALLY JUST DEPENDS.

>> I WOULD POINT OUT TO OUR CONSTITUENTS, THIS, WILL NOT AFFECT YOU AT ALL. THE ONLY AFFECT IT WILL HAVE HIS OWN PEOPLE WHO ARE BUYING NEW PROPERTIES IN CLAY COUNTY.

THIS IS A WAY TO IMPROVE EVERYTHING WITH NEW PEOPLE

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MOVING IN. >> FOR THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE HERE, ALL I HAVE HEARD IS INSUFFICIENT -- I DON'T EVEN HAVE A FIRE STATION WITHIN THE MILES TO SERVICE MY HOME.

IF MINE WENT UP IN FLAMES, I WOULD NOT KNOW WHAT HAPPEN.

WE DEFINITELY DON'T KNOW WHAT WE NEED.

WE ARE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT A WAY.

FOR THE PEOPLE WHO SAY, WE SHOULD NOT BE DOING THIS, WHERE SHOULD WE GET IT. THE FACT OF THE MATTER, A LOT OF PEOPLE WANT TO COME TO OUR COUNTY AND WE FOUND OUT WE ARE AT CAPACITY IN THE JAIL SPIRIT I DON'T SEE HOW THERE IS ANOTHER WAY. WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT A FUTURE.

WE CANNOT CONTINUE KICKING IT DOWN THE ROAD, I KNOW A LOT OF GREAT PEOPLE, BUT NOBODY WANTS TO GO INTO DEBT OR ASKED FOR MORE MONEY. WE HAVE TO DO IT THIS TIME.

THAT IS WHERE I MET. >> THIS IS WHAT SMART GROWTH LOOKS LIKE. WE CAN SLOW IT DOWN, AT LEAST WE CAN MAKE THE QUALITY OF LIFE BETTER AS MORE PEOPLE MOVE IN BY FUNDING IT THIS WAY. CAN YOU TALK ABOUT, I AM FIXATED ON THE MOBILITY FEE, WHY IS IT LOWER AND SOME AREAS IN HIGHER

IN OTHERS. >> I WAS NOT INVOLVED IN THE MOBILITY FEE STUDY BUT I PREFER AN EXPERT TO DO IT.

IT LOOKS LIKE IT IS A DRAMATICALLY DIFFERENT NUMBER.

>> I CAN GIVE YOU A QUICK THUMBNAIL, IT IS BASED UPON THE PROJECT COSTS FOR INFRASTRUCTURE WHICH WOULD ADD THIRD TIME THE MOBILITY STUDY WAS DONE $450 MILLION.

WITHIN THE GROUP LOOKED AT TRIPS.

THESE COME FROM HOUSES, TO THE GROCERY STORE, FROM YOUR HOUSE TO SCHOOL, FROM YOUR HOUSE TO WORK, AND THEY LOOKED AT ALL OF THE TRIPS THE HOMES WOULD HAVE IN PARTICULAR AREAS.

THIS WAS BASED ON PROJECTED DEVELOPMENTS.

WHAT THE HIGHEST AMOUNT, IS IN THE CENTRAL PART OF THE COUNTY COMMONLY REFERRED TO AS LAKE ASBURY.

>> SO THEY WOULD NEED TO BUILD MORE ROADS AND WHERE THEY DON'T,

THAT'S WHERE IT IS CHEAPER. >> ARE YOU READY.

THIS IS WHAT YOU NEED FROM ME. >> ARE THERE ANY MORE QUESTIONS?

>> I KNOW SOME OF THESE WERE ON THE LAST SLIDE, I GUESS YOU COULD LOOK AT IT, THE PROJECTED REVENUE, SPECIFICALLY AROUND FIRE AND RESCUE, AND I THINK WE CAN ALL AGREE THOSE ARE AREAS.

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>> JUST TAKING THE FACILITIES. THEY WILL SERVE EVERYBODY.

THOSE COSTS, ARE ALLOCATED TO BOTH EXISTING AND NEW DEVELOPMENT AND YOUR GROWTH. AS YOU CAN SEE HERE -- THIS WILL MAKE SURE EVERYONE CAN BE SERVED BY FIRE AND RESCUE.

>> SPECIFICALLY IN THESE AREAS IN NEW GROWTH.

>> CHOI AND I DON'T AGREE THAT THIS IS A TAX, AND MAYBE IT IS TROY TO ANSWER, I THINK I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU WERE ABLE TO ADDRESS AFFORDABILITY. I HAVE CONCERNS AND WE ARE CONSTANTLY TALKING ABOUT THE AFFORDABILITY OF A NEW HOME SPECIFICALLY IN MY DISTRICT THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO BUY PROPERTY AND PUT A MANUFACTURED HOME ON IT.

>> WE WORKED WITH TERESA WITH THE SHIP PROGRAM AND CURRENTLY IN HER MOBILITY FEE WE DO HAVE AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING DEFERRABLE PROCEDURE. WE WORK TO MAKE IT SIMPLER AND MAKE IT A WAIVER. IT DOES THE EXACT SAME THING AND

>> JUST THE EXAMPLE, AND FOR SOMEONE IN THE AUDIENCE AND THEY WANTED TO BUILD A HOME ON A LOT, NOT ONE OF THE NATIONAL BUILDERS BUT I WANT TO BUILD OUTS GOOD THEY COME INTO THE COUNTY AND APPLYING GET THE WAIVERS STILL USE A COMMERCIAL --

>> AND THE BUILDER CAN DO IT FOR THE INDIVIDUAL.

SO WHEN THEY COME IN, THERE WAS CIRCUIT -- CERTAIN DOCUMENTATION

>> WE HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT THE REST OF THE NUMBERS ARE?

>> THIS IS LESS THAN 350 SOMETHING.

>> SHE HAS ALL OF THE DIFFERENT LEVELS FROM UNDER THE STATUTE THAT ARE DEFINED FOR LOW, BELOW AND EXTREMELY LOW AND MODERATE.

EVEN GOING DOWN TO EXTREMELY LOW IS 17,600 FOR A FAMILY OF ONE.

>> JUST REAL QUICK. IN THE LAST 24 HOURS, I HAVE

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SPOKEN TO PEOPLE ABOUT THIS ISSUE.

ONE OF THE QUESTIONS, WILL THERE BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR AN OFFSET.

IF A DEVELOPER CAN BUILD A FIRE STATION CHEAPER OR BUILD A PARK.

>> ALMOST IDENTICAL AS THE MOBILITY FEE.

>> THEY ALREADY HAVE ONE IN PLACE.

>> SOMEBODY KNOW ABOUT IT AND PLANNED AHEAD.

>> IF YOU REDUCE THE FEES, YOU DON'T HAVE TO BACKFILL THE REDUCTION REVENUE BUT YOUR SERVICE WOULD DECREASE AS MORE PEOPLE COME INTO TOWN. IT WOULD JUST VARY BASED ON THE

FEE REDUCTION. >> WHEN I WAS BRIEFED ON THIS I ENCOURAGE TROY TO POSSIBLY REVIEW THIS ONCE PER YEAR.

THIS IS A SUBSTANTIAL INCOME STREAM.

IF IT GOES DOWN WE SHOULD GIVE IT BACK TO THE PUBLIC OR THE NEW BUYERS. IF IT GOES UP WE SHOULD ALSO

ENJOY THAT. >> WHEN I PARTICULAR FELT -- DEVELOPER COME IN THERE WAS A LIMIT OF 30.

>> ANYTHING ELSE. >> SENT BY CARLSBERG.

>> WE WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING, I HAVE QUITE A FEW CARDS. CHAI TO KEEP IT TO 3 MINUTES.

I HATE INTERRUPTING PEOPLE. SO FIRST OFF.

>> YOU DESERVE THE BOAT -- VOTES WE PUBLIC DISCUSSION WITH THE STAKEHOLDERS. I LOOKED THAT THIS IS A CENTRAL ELEMENT FOR THE COUNTY. A COUPLE OF THINGS STAND OUT ON THIS SLIDE. $152 MILLION PAID BY NEW DEVELOPMENT. WHERE'S THE MONEY COMING FROM.

>> ALL OF THAT NEEDS TO BE PART OF THE RESIDENCE OF $56,000.

THAT NUMBER NEEDS TO BE FIXED SPIRIT.

>> YOU WILL HEAR FROM OTHER PEOPLE AND IF YOU THINK ABOUT THIS, YOU NEED TO DO THE ANALYSIS HAVE A HIGH LEVEL OF

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CONFIDENCE AND VOTE ON IT. NOT WHAT WE ALL ASPIRES TO.

I AM HERE TO REQUEST THAT YOU DEFER VOTING ON THIS, LET US BET THIS MORE DEEPLY, FIX SOME OF THE ERRORS, I DON'T REALLY LIKE THE PER CAPITA UNIT ANALYSIS, WHAT IS THE COST TO PROVIDE THESE FACILITIES. I AM HERE TO REQUEST A DELAY.

>> TR. >> ME I PASSIM INFORMATION OUT.

>> WE WILL HAVE TO TACKLE YOU. >> MY NAME IS TR WITH ROGERS TOWER I'M HERE TO REPRESENT THE NORTHEAST FLORIDA BUILDERS ASSOCIATION. I WANT TO THANK YOUR COUNTY ATTORNEY MY PHONE STARTED TO LIGHT UP WITH CALLS FROM CLIENTS AND WHEN I SENT AN E-MAIL ON SUNDAY SHE RESPONDED.

I REALLY APPRECIATED THAT. I APPRECIATE YOUR COUNTY ATTORNEY RESPONDING TO US. I AM NOT HERE TO DEBATE I'M NOT HERE TO SAY ANYTHING IS RIGHT OR WRONG ABOUT THE STUDY, BUT I AM HERE TO REPEAT, TO SOME EXTENT, WHAT GEORGE WAS SAYING THIS STUDY IS VERY IMPORTANT TO EVERYONE, BUT IT'S MORE IMPORTANT TO THE COUNTY'S IT SETS STANDARDS WHICH WILL MANDATE EXPENDITURES BY THE COUNTY.

THE FIRST SHEET ON THE AND OUT AND IT IS THE PROJECTED CHART UP HERE, AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE ARE SEVERAL NUMBERS ON THEIR, $334 MILLION HAS TO BE SPENT. THE IMPACT REVENUE IS THE MONEY COMING IN. AND 181 ROUGHLY, IS WHAT THIS COUNTY MUST SPIN COME THIS HAS BEEN EXPENDED BY THE COUNTY IF THEY DON'T EXPEND UP BONDS, OR DECIDE THEY WILL NEED TO DO SOMETHING ELSE, THE STANDARDS HAVE NOT BEEN MET AND THE FEES HAVE NO BASIS PEOPLE CAN AND DO DEMAND THEY HAVE THINGS THAT MAKE THEM MAKE SURE THEY ARE ACCURATE.

MOST IMPACT FEES LIKE MOBILITY FEES HAVE WORKSHOPS OR PUBLIC OUTREACH SESSIONS BEFORE THEY ARE ADOPTED.

RIGHT NOW I AM BEING BOMBARDED MOBILITY FEES.

>> PLEASE FINISH UP. >>

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>> NEXT. >> GOOD EVENING, I LIVE IN JACKSONVILLE AND I'M REPRESENTING REINHOLD CORPORATION. I WANT TO ECHO WHAT MR. EGAN HAS REQUESTED. YOU'RE DOING THE RIGHT THING.

YOU HAVE CHOSEN TO IMPACT FIVE FEES, TO WHICH ARE COUNTYWIDE.

ONE IS AN UNINCORPORATED. EACH HAS A DIFFERENT SERVICE POPULATION. YOU HAVE THE COMPLEXITY OF THAT.

YOU ALSO HAVE COST ASSUMPTIONS. THESE ARE FROM NORTHPORT ON THE GOLF COURSE. IT IS DATED INFORMATION AND IF YOU LOOK AT PAGE 17 THAT YOU WILL CONSIDER BASING THE FEE ON, THE TABLE MAKES ASSUMPTIONS ABOUT LAND COSTS, BUILDING COSTS AND MORE. THE LAND COST IS THE SAME FOR EVERY FACILITY WHETHER YOU WILL DO A NEW ADMIN BUILDING.

THE APPRAISALS AND BASIS OF THE FEE ARE THE COST.

I DON'T SEE YOU BUILDING ANOTHER PUBLIC WORKS BUILDING.

THE SAME WITH YOUR CONSTRUCTION COSTS.

WHETHER YOU WERE BUILDING A TOLLBOOTH OR ANYTHING THE COST OF CONSTRUCTION PER SQUARE FOOT IS THE EXACT SAME.

WHEN YOU TAKE THE SQUARE-FOOT AND MULTIPLIED BY THE SAME NUMBER THIS WILL BE THE SAME. THIS IS THE QUALITY OF CONSTRUCTION YOU ARE BASING YOUR COST ON.

I THINK THE APPROACH IS RIGHT AND THE METHODOLOGY IS RIGHT BUT THE DETAILS HAVE NOT GOTTEN SHAKE OUT.

TWIN LAKES IS AT 53 LAKERS. THIS, THE DIRT IS USED TO BUILD THE ROAD. THIS IS A DOT COST THAT INCLUDES DIRT. I WOULD OFFER YOU THERE MAY BE I AM REALLY HERE TO SAY WE ARE WORKING TO FIND THE RIGHT FEE

AND FIT. >> THANK YOU COMMISSIONER AUSTIN NICHOLS WITH THE BUILDERS ASSOCIATION THESE THESE FEE INCREASES WHICH ARE CONSIDERED TAX INCREASES BY THE FLORIDA LEGISLATURE AND THE GOVERNOR HAVE NOT BEEN COMMUNICATED WELL ENOUGH TO INDUSTRY STAKEHOLDERS. THIS IS OBVIOUSLY BECAUSE WE HAVE BEEN UNABLE TO FIND ANYONE OUTSIDE OF COUNTY GOVERNMENT AWARE OF THE CHANGES OCCURRING INCLUDING ATTORNEY TO FOCUS ON CLAY COUNTY GOVERNMENT. WE HAVEN'T RECEIVED ANY FOR THESE IMPACT FEE INCREASE DISCUSSIONS.

IT IS FOR THESE REASONS THAT WE ASK THAT YOU DEFER SO MEMBERS

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CAN FULLY REVIEW THIS ORDINANCE AND IMPACT FEE STUDY.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND ALLOWING ME TOO SPEAK TODAY.

>> THANK YOU. >> GOOD EVENING EVERYONE.

MICHAEL BARRE, 318 HIGHWAY AVENUE.

I APPRECIATE EVERYONE'S TIME. THE PREVIOUS SPEAKERS I'VE DONE A GREAT JOB LAYING OUT A CASE ON WHY WE SHOULD EXTEND A VOTE ON THIS AND POSTPONE IT. THERE ARE, A COUPLE OF MAJOR ISSUES THAT WE NEED TO DISCUSS. THE BIGGEST, AFFORDABILITY.

IT IS A HUGE PROBLEM NOT ONLY IN OUR AREA, BUT OUR STATE AND COUNTRY. DEALING WITH OUR CLAY COUNTY REGION, EVERY DOLLAR THAT WE ADD TO THE COST OF CONSTRUCTION OR TAXES, THIS IS ATTACKS TO NEW-HOME CONSTRUCTION PRECLUDES A FAMILY FROM BUYING A HOME. OBVIOUSLY IN CLAY COUNTY WE WANT PEOPLE TO COME AND LIVE. THAT DOES NOT MEAN WE NEED SUSTAINABLE GROWTH. THIS IS A HUGE AMOUNT OF MONEY TO ADD ON TOP OF AN ALREADY COSTLY ENDEAVOR TO BUILD A HOME.

AND SO, WHEN YOU ADD 6-$8,000, $14,000 WHAT I JUST PAID, ON A 1400 SQUARE-FOOT HOME YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF MONEY GOING AWAY FROM THE BUILDING OF THE HOME.

THIS DOES HAVE AN IMPACT ON THE RESIDENCE OF CLAY COUNTY.

THOSE WHO LIVE HERE. THOSE OF US WHO HAVE CHILDREN AND THEIR CHILDREN ARE MOVING OUT OF THE HOME AND WANT TO BUY A NEW HOME IN CLAY COUNTY. THIS FEE WILL BE CARRIED BY OUR CHILDREN AND THOSE MOVING INTO THE AREA.

I KNOW THERE WAS A COMMENT MADE EARLIER THAT IT DOESN'T IMPACT CITIZENS. I AND ASKING THAT THE COMMISSION POSTPONE VOTE UNTIL WE HAVE MORE TIME AS STAKEHOLDERS TO REVIEW THE NUMBERS BEHIND THIS. AND PROVIDE SOME PUBLIC FEEDBACK TO THIS BEFORE A FINAL VOTE IS RENDERED.

WITH THAT, I APPRECIATE EVERYONE'S TIME.

>> WENDELL DAVIS. >> HOW DOES IT FEEL TO BE ON

THAT SIDE OF THE PODIUM. >> TODAY, EXCELLENT.

OF. >> I AM ONE OF THE BRAVEST.

I WAS FORTUNATE TO SERVE TWO TERMS AND I CHARITY TWICE.

ARE CURRENTLY SERVE AS THE CHAIR OF CLAY COUNTY UTILITY.

WE JUST DID A PLAN. I DON'T KNOW WHY, WE ARE PUBLIC, BUT THE PUBLIC DOES NOT SHOW UP FOR CAUSES LIKE THE COUNTY COMMISSIONER. I AM GLAD IM NOT IN YOUR SEATS.

I DID SERVE ADULT TIME DURING A RECESSION AND UNFORTUNATELY.

WE DID NOT HAVE ANY MONEY, AND WE HAD TO LET SOME PEOPLE GO.

THAT IS A VERY TOUGH DECISION. I HAD SOME NOTES.

I HAVE SPOKEN. I KNOW IT IS OUT THERE.

I UNDERSTAND THE PUBLIC ANNOUNCEMENTS.

WITH COVID-19, IT HASN'T GOT OUT.

SO, THIS IS LARGE. YOU HAVE HEARD PEOPLE.OUT THE NUMBERS. AND SPEAKING FOR OTHERS WHO ASKED ME TOO COME BECAUSE IT WAS NOT ON MY CALENDAR TODAY, TO TAKE SOME TIME. YOU HAD TIME TO FINAGLE IT A

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LITTLE BIT TO SEE WHERE THINGS TICK YOU.

I SPEAK IN AGREEMENT WITH THOSE WHO HAVE SPOKEN SO FAR.

GIVE IT A LITTLE MORE TIME AND INPUT.

AND YOU WILL HAVE THE RIGHT DECISION.

THANK YOU FOR SERVING. >> DOES ANYONE ELSE WISH TO

ADDRESS THIS ISSUE? >> I SEE NO TAKERS, WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND BRING IT BACK TO THE BOARD.

>> YOU ARE LOOKING AT ME. I GUESS I SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN

LOOKING AT YOU. >> MR. CHAIR, THANK YOU.

CERTAINLY, WE HAVE HEARD FROM A NUMBER OF FOLKS WHO WERE INVOLVED IN THE CONSTRUCTION AND DEVELOPMENT BUSINESS.

AT LEAST I RESPECT THEM GREATLY FOR WHAT THEY HAVE ACCOMPLISHED IN THEIR FIELD. AND I HAVE NO PROBLEM DEFERRING AND MAKING A SUGGESTION THAT THE BOARD DEFER TO A LATER TIME.

I THINK THERE WERE SOME INTERESTING INTERESTING THOUGHTS THERE IN TERMS OF WHAT TR SAID, ONCE WE ACCEPT MONEY AND IMPACT FEES, WE ARE ON THE HOOK TO DEMONSTRATE HOW WE WILL PAY FOR THOSE FACILITIES. THE OTHER THING IS, AND QUITE HONESTLY AND I WAS PLEASED TO HEAR SOME PEOPLE ARE NOT OFFHANDEDLY SAYING WE SHOULD NOT HAVE IMPACT FEES.

WHAT I WOULD SAY, I AM WILLING TO DEFER AND DISCUSS WITH OUR FRIENDS, BUT WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR, IF THEY ARE AGAINST THE IMPACT FEE COME UP WITH AN ALTERNATIVE THAT YOU THINK WILL GET US TO WHERE WE NEED TO BE. QUITE HONESTLY, GIVE US A WAY TO DEAL WITH THE RESIDENCE YOU ARE BRINGING TO THE COUNTY AND WHEN YOU ARE DONE THOSE PEOPLE STAY AND WE NEED THESE FACILITIES.

TALLAHASSEE SEEN FIT THAT WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF OPTIONS ON THE WAY WE RAISE FUNDS. SO THIS IS NOT SOMETHING WE MOVE DOWN THE PATH BECAUSE WE WANT TO IRRITATE PEOPLE WHO DO BUSINESS HEE. IF YOU COMBINE EVERYONE I THINK IT IS THE LARGEST EMPLOYER AND THOSE PEOPLE AND IF YOU ADD IT TOGETHER IT IS 5,000 PEOPLE IN THE INDUSTRY AND YOU WILL DO THE ECONOMIC IMPACTS. WE ARE AWARE OF HOW IMPORTANT IT IS IN TERMS OF CONSTRUCTION BUT WHAT IS THE ALTERNATIVE, TO SHUT DOWN CONSTRUCTION ALTOGETHER THAT IS NOT REASONABLE.

IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING ELSE YOU WANT TO PUT ON THE TABLE, I AM WILLING TO LOOK AT IT AND THE BOARD MEMBERS ARE WILLING TO LOOK AT IT, BUT IN TERMS OF THEORY, THE THEORY AND TAXES, WE HAVE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION, THOSE PEOPLE COMING IN WILL PAY THEIR SHARE. AND THE RESIDENTS WILL PAY THEIR SHARE. YOU CAN ARGUE THAT REGARDLESS OF IF YOU ARE NEW OR EXISTING YOU WILL BE IMPACTED BY THE FEES.

I DON'T SEE IT THAT WAY. SO MR. CHAIR, I WOULD HIGHLY SUPPORT, A MOTION TO DEFER, I THINK IT IS A QUESTION OF HOW FAR IN ADVANCE WE WANT TO DEFER THAT THOUGHT PROCESS SO WE CAN DO WHAT WE NEED, AND GET TOGETHER AND DO WHAT WE NEED TO DO, I AM OPEN TO THAT. I WOULD MAKE THE MOTION OR SUPPORT IT AND IF WE HAVE A CONSENSUS ON HOW FAR WE NEED TO

DEFER. >> COMMISSIONER STEVEN BARTHLOW

DISTRACT COMMISSIONER RENNINGER% >> THIS IS PROBABLY ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT DECISION WE WILL MAKE.

IF YOU ARE GOING TO POKE AT IT IN THE FUTURE, WE NEED TO COME UP WITH REAL NUMBERS. THIS IS THE FIFTH PUBLICLY NOTICED MEETING ON IMPACT FEES AND I GUESS WE WILL HAVE 1-2

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MORE. I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE WE CAN DO. AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE CAN DO.

ON THE FLIPSIDE, IT HAS BEEN REVEALED TO ME THERE MAY BE

IMPROVEMENTS WE CAN MAKE. >> IF NOT THIS THAN WHAT.

WE DON'T HAVE A MONEY TREE I DON'T HAVE A MAGIC WAND.

WE ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR PUBLIC SAFETY AND THE QUALITY OF LIFE OF FUTURE RESIDENTS. IF YOU TELL ME, ST. JOHN COUNTY, IMPACT FEES WILL KILL GROWTH. THEY HAVE HAD AN IMPACT FEE FOR 25 YEARS. WHY, BECAUSE QUALITY-OF-LIFE IS WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT AND WERE TRYING TO IMPROVE THE QUALITY OF LIFE WITH LIBRARIES AND FIRE RESPONSE.

IF NOT THIS FUNDING STREAM, THEN WHICH ONE WILL IT BE.

LIKE I SAID, I DON'T THINK ANY OF US GROW MONEY TREES.

I AM IN FAVOR OF CONTINUANCE. FOR BETTER CLARITY.

BUT BE READY TO COME WITH BETTER CLARITY.

THIS IS TOO HIGH. YOU TELL ME WHAT LAND FEES WILL BE IN 2025. THAT IS WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO. IT IS HARD.

>> I TEND TO AGREE WITH WHAT HAS BEEN SAID.

IT IS NO SECRET I THOUGHT THIS WAS A TAX FROM THE BEGINNING AND I AM OPPOSED TO TAX INCREASES. ONE OF THE REASONS WE ARE STUCK WITH WHERE WE ARE TODAY IS BECAUSE CLAY COUNTY RESIDENTS DON'T LIKE TAX INCREASES. SO WE HAVE 20 YEARS OF COMMISSIONS NOT HAVING TO RAISE TAXES AND HAVE CITIZENS HAPPY WITH THAT WORK IN YOUR WE ARE. AND NO ONE WOULD HAVE PREDICTED THE BOOM, LIKE THE AS MARRIED MASTER PLAN.

AND THREE YEARS LATER, FOUR YEARS LATER, THE MARKET CRASH.

AND DID NOT COME BACK UNTIL THE FEVER PITCH.

WE STARTED TALKING ABOUT THIS NINE MONTHS AGO.

THEN WE PUT OUT THE RFP, 6-8 MONTHS AGO.

THE ECONOMY WAS DIFFERENT THAN IT IS TODAY.

I HAVE REAL CONCERNS ABOUT THE THINGS WE ARE HEARING.

WE HEARD EARLIER THERE COULD BE SLOWDOWNS SO THEY MAY NOT GET APPROPRIATIONS WE ARE PLANNING ON.

AND I DO HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THE GAP.

IF WE PASS THESE EMPTY -- IMPACT FEES, THAT IS A REAL CONCERN, THAT IS A GRAVE OBLIGATION, IT IS NOT US.

IT'S NOT OUR CHILDREN OR GRANDCHILDREN.

HOPEFULLY MY BOYS STAY AROUND AND HAVE KIDS IN CLAY COUNTY, AND WE ALL DO TOO. I WOULD LIKE MORE INFORMATION ON HOW WE WILL SOLD THE GAPS AND I KNOW WE CAN PREDICTED WE WOULD NOT BE IN THE ROAD SITUATION IF WE HAD ONE.

WHEN WILL IT SLOW DOWN. IF IT SLOWS DOWN.

AND WE WILL CONTINUE IN A RECESSION.

THEY TELL US NATIONWIDE BUILDING PERMITS ARE DOWN.

THIS WILL NOT GENERATE THIS MONEY BUT ARE WE ON THE HOOK FOR THE 12 FIRE STATIONS. THOSE ARE JUST MY THOUGHTS.

>> ALONG WITH WHAT SHE SAID, WE ARE CONSTANTLY TOLD NOT TO RAISE TAXES BUT WE ARE ALSO ALWAYS TOLD WE HAVE DONE NOTHING FOR THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND NOT KEEPING UP.

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WE NEED MORE ROADS, WE NEED EVERYTHING BUT WE ARE CONSTANTLY TOLD WE ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO DO ANYTHING THAT WE ARE SUPPOSED TO PAY. WE -- SOME OF THE COMMENTS I HEARD, WE DID SAY, IF THE COSTS WERE TO GO DOWN, WE WOULD GIVE THEM BACK THEIR MONEY. WE ALSO SAID, AS FAR AS OUR KIDS BEING ABLE TO LIVE HERE. IF YOU MAKE UNDER $100,000.

OR YOU COULD HAVE A WAIVER OR IMPACT FEE.

YES IT WILL IMPACT PEOPLE BUT WERE NOT SAYING YOU CAN'T COME HERE BECAUSE YOU CAN'T AFFORD IT.

AND THEN WE GIVE MY KIDS A WAY TO LIVE HERE STARTING OUT.

AND THEN, WE ARE FACED WITH GROWTH.

I'VE LOST COUNT OF HOW MANY HOUSES ARE APPROVED.

I THINK IT IS 15,000. AND THEY ARE ABLE TO COME IN AND YES MAYBE IT WILL SLOW DOWN BUT FLORIDA IS A LOT CHEAPER TO LIVE THEN PLACES WHERE PEOPLE LIVE. I HAVE PATIENTS WHO COME IN WHO MOVE IN FROM THE NORTH. PEOPLE WILL STILL WANT TO COME.

I COULD DEFINITELY SAY, NO I AM NOT FOR CONTINUANCE BUT I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT. I THINK, AND BY THE WAY WE DID HAVE A WORKSHOP ON IMPACT FEES CORRECT.

AND WE DID DISCUSS IT. >> WE DID NOT.

THAT CAME UP AS PART OF THE PLANNING SESSION THAT WE DID IN NOVEMBER AND DECEMBER AND PART OF THE BUDGET DISCUSSION.

>> AND WE GAVE DIRECTION AFTER THAT.

YES. I AM OKAY WITH CONTINUING IT.

BUT AT THIS POINT IF I HAD TO VOTE TODAY I WOULD SAY NO.

>> AND I HAVE GONE THROUGH THIS BEFORE WHERE I HAVE SAID.

>> THE REASON WE ARE IN TROUBLE RIGHT NOW WITH THE INFRASTRUCTURE IS WE HAVEN'T BEEN CHARGING ENOUGH MONEY FOR PEOPLE TO COME IN YEAR PERIOD WE HAVE VETTED THIS THING FOR A YEAR NOW. WE HAVEN'T HAD A FORMAL WORKSHOP. IF I AGREED TO KICK THIS DOWN THE ROAD I WILL NOT BE HERE. SO I AM A YES VOTE TO DO IT TODAY IF ANYONE ELSE WANTS TO MAKE A MOTION.

UNLESS YOU WANT TO SAY WE WILL NOT STOP MUCH GROWTH.

MAY BE A LITTLE BIT WITH THIS. WE DID THIS BEFORE AND IT DID NOT SLOW ANYTHING DOWN. AND THERE WILL BE A RECESSION.

BUT YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE TO BLAME IT ON THE IMPACT FEE.

IT WILL HAPPEN. THIS IS SMART GROWTH.

AND I DON'T SEE A WAY AROUND THIS.

SO. >> THE COMMISSIONERS ALREADY SAID THEY ARE FOR THE CONTINUING SPIRIT.

>> I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE CONTINUE FOR 30 DAYS.

>> I AGREE. BUT I WILL MISS YOU.

>> AND IT WILL BE TOUGH. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND THE SECOND. FURTHER DISCUSSION.

ALL IN FAVOR INDICATE BY SAYING I.

-- AYE. I CAN MEET WITH THE BOARD INDIVIDUALLY AND HAVE A WORKSHOP , IF THAT WILL BE YOUR

DESIRE. >> I WILL MEET IF THEY HAVE QUESTIONS SO I DON'T WANT TO COME TO THOUGH WORKSHOP AND HASH THE SAME STUFF OVER. SO WE WILL LOOK AT A DATE FOR THE WORKSHOP. IS THAT ACCEPTABLE.

>> ARE YOU CONTINUING IT UNTIL DECEMBER 16 OR SET THAT DATE

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LATER? THAT'S THE ONLY REASON I'M

ASKING. >> 30 DAYS.

THAT IS WHAT I AM AGREEING ON. DO YOU WANT IT FOR THE NOVEMBER BOARD MEETING. NOVEMBER 22.

>> IT WOULD HAVE TO BE DECEMBER. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IS

PART OF THE MOTION TO CONTINUE. >> YOU CAN'T GET 30 DAYS BEFORE NOVEMBER 22. SO I ASK YOU TO MAKE IT CLEAR.

>> AT THE NEXT BOARD MEETING. >> I WILL SECOND THAT.

A MOTION IN A SECOND PERIOD FURTHER DISCUSSION.

ALL IN FAVOR INDICATE BY SAYING AYE.

>> CAN I ASK FOR MORE ON THE COMMISSION.

COURTNEY AND I WILL HAVE TO REVIEW THE CONTRACT.

I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT END DATE BUT IT SAID IT NEEDED TO BE MODIFIED. CAN WE EXECUTE ANY CHANGES THAT

ARE NECESSARY. >> HOW MUCH WOULD IT BE TO

EXTEND. >> I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT DATE, AND WE ARE NOW ASKING FOR DECEMBER 13, I JUST WANT TO MAKE

SURE WE DON'T HAVE A GAP. >> WE ARE FINE UNDER THE POLICY.

>> I RETRACT MY MOTION. >> WE ARE ON ITEM 18.

>> WE WILL FIGURE OUT A WORKSHOP DATE LATER.

>> SOMEWHERE BETWEEN NOW AND THE NEXT 30 DAYS.

[18. 5:00 p.m. or as soon thereafter as can be heard - Public hearing for the purpose of considering the entry into a Purchase and Sale Agreement for the purchase by the County of real property necessary for the Bonded Transportation Program, more particularly described as a portion of Tax Parcel No. 22-05-25-010109-002-01, and authorization for County Manager to execute all documents necessary to close the acquisition]

>> PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE PURPOSE OF CONSIDERING A PURCHASE AND SALE AGREEMENT FOR PURCHASE BY THE COUNTY AND REAL PROPERTY NECESSARY FOR THE BOND TRANSPORTATION PROGRAM SULFONE

AND SO FORTH. >> THIS IS A LONG SANDRIDGE.

IT IS ACROSS FROM THE EVENT PART THIS IS PART OF THE PARCEL WE NEED TO REALIGN THE SIDEWALK. THIS IS FOR $600, FOR THE VERY SMALL PIECE OF THE PROPERTY AND WE JUST HAVE TO BRING IT TO THE BOARD FOR YOUR APPROVAL, PREVIOUSLY IT WAS BACK IN MAY OR JUNE THAT WE BROUGHT TO THE BOARD FOR THE ALTERNATIVE PROCEDURE. WE ARE JUST ASKING FOR APPROVAL AND WE WOULD LIKE AUTHORITY FOR THE COUNTY MANAGER TO SIGN WHATEVER DOCUMENTS NECESSARY FOR THAT TIME.

>> I WILL TAKE A MOTION. >> MOVED TO APPROVE.

>> A MOTION NANOSECOND. DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR INDICATE BY SAYING AYE.

IT CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. >> BID OPENINGS.

I THINK WE HAVE EVERYTHING COVERED.

>> WE ARE GOING BACK TO THAT ONE ITEM.

>> NUMBER 13. >> DO WE HAVE AN ANSWER YET ON

THE PRICE OF FUEL? >> WERE GOING TO PRODUCE MORE

PAPERS. >> COMMISSIONER RENNINGER HAS AGREED TO READ IT AND INTERPRET IT AND BRING IT BACK.

>> OKAY MR. CHAIRMAN AND BOARD, I HANDED OUT A FEW THINGS WHILE WE ARE WORKING ON MORE HOT TOPICS.