[Call to Order] [00:00:09] >> WELCOME, EVERYBODY.I AM GOING TO CALL TO ORDER. [1.  Land Development Code Update] THIS IS A JOINT PORTION BETWEEN THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS TO REVIEW THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE REVISION, SPECIFICALLY ARTICLE 7 WHICH IS ASSIGNED AND WILL CHECK ON ARTICLE 3 AT THE END OF THE MEETING. WE DO HAVE AN AGENDA. ANY DISCUSSION OR ANYTHING TO DO WITH ARTICLE 7, WE WENT TO FINISH BY 6:00 SO WE CAN LEAVE 30 MINUTES FOR A LITTLE BIT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT ARTICLE 3. SO I AM GOING TO TRY TO KEEP PEOPLE MOVING SO IF WE START TO GET BOGGED DOWN A LITTLE BIT. OTHER THAN THAT I'M GOING TO INTRODUCE ANGELA (NAME) WITH THE CONSULTING GROUP THAT WE HAVE ENGAGED, THE COUNTY ENGAGED. WGI AND SHE'S BASICALLY IN CHARGE OF THIS WORKSHOP. >> GOOD AFTERNOON. I'M WITH WGI. I AM JUST GOING TO INTRODUCE IT TO OUR TEAM. I HAVE WITH ME MARIANNE AND ERICA, AND BOTH WILL BE PRESENTING SOME SECTIONS OF OUR PRESENTATION TODAY. OUR PROJECT MANAGER, COURTNEY POWELL, UNFORTUNATELY WAS UNABLE TO MAKE IT THIS AFTERNOON. SUGGEST QUICKLY TO KIND OF RUN TO THE TIMELINE, WE ARE HERE TODAY IN EARLY SEPTEMBER TO DO THIS WORKSHOP FOR THE SIGNAGE CODE, ARTICLE 7 PRIMARILY. AS YOU MENTIONED, WE ALSO WANT TO START TO KICK OFF OUR WORK ON ARTICLE 3 WHICH IS THE ZONING CODE. WE ANTICIPATE GOING TO OUR WORKSHOPS IN PUBLIC OPEN HOUSES FOR ARTICLE 3 WITHIN THE NEXT MONTH TO 6 WEEKS, AND HOPEFULLY WE WILL BE BACK BEFORE YOU WITH ARTICLE 7 WITH APPROVAL EITHER IN OCTOBER OR NOVEMBER AND FOR FIRST AND SECOND READING FOR ARTICLE 7 TO PCC IN NOVEMBER AS WELL. SO TODAY, AS I MENTIONED, WE ARE HERE TO GO THROUGH AND REVIEW THE CHANGES FOR OUR ARTICLE 7 OF WHICH IS OUR SIGN CODE. WE WILL REVIEW WHAT WAS EXISTING IN SOME OF THE LANGUAGE IN THE CHANGES THAT WE ARE PROPOSING. THE AMENDMENTS THAT WILL BE PINCLUDED IN THAT ARTICLE, AND THEN WE REALLY DO WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE RESERVE THAT TIME AT THE END TO DISCUSS ARTICLE 3 WHICH IS THE ZONING AND LAND USE CODE. JUST TO GIVE YOU AN ARTICLE -- OVERVIEW, THIS ARTICLE GOVERNS ALL SINUS, RESIDENTIAL AND NONRESIDENTIAL. IT'S GOING TO LOOK AT ALL OF OUR DIMENSIONAL STANDARDS, HEIGHT, SIZE, NUMBER OF THOSE SIGNS AS WELL AS THE LOCATION OF THE SIGNS AND WHAT DISTRICTS THEY CAN BE PUT IN. OUR CHANGES THAT WE HAVE MADE WERE REORGANIZATION OF THIS ARTICLE TO SIMPLIFY THE DIFFERENT CHAPTERS AND CATEGORIZING THE SIGNS BASED ON THEIR FORM AND FUNCTION VERSUS THEIR CONTENT AND THIS IS CONSISTENT WITH THE CURRENT COUNTIES POLICY.'M NOT REGULATING CONTENT OF SIGNS, AND THEN WE ARE CLARIFYING THE PROCESS OF ANY VIOLATIONS, IF SOMEONE HAS A ZONING VIOLATION WE ARE CLARIFYING THAT WITH THIS ARTICLE AS WELL AS EVERYTHING WILL BE HYPERLINKED TO CROSS-REFERENCED TO DIFFERENT WEBSITES. PARTICULARLY THE PERMITTING WEBSITE. WE ARE GOING TO GO THROUGH ALL OF THE DIFFERENT CHAPTERS. I AM GOING TO START WITH MORE OF THE MINISTRY TO CHAPTERS OF THE CODE AND TURN IT OVER TO MARION AND ERICA TO GET INTO THE DIFFERENT SIGN TYPES. CHAPTER A IS YOUR GENERAL PROVISIONS. THIS IS A TABLE OF CONTENTS OVER THE PROPOSED TABLE OF CONTENTS WILL LOOK LIKE WITHIN A CHAPTER A PEER TO SOME OF THE MAIN HIGHLIGHTS OF THE CHANGES THAT WE ARE MAKING, WE ARE SIMPLIFYING THE PURPOSE, INTENT, AND SCOPE OF THIS CHAPTER. WE ARE LOOKING AT RELOCATING THE DEFINITIONS TO THEIR OWN SECTION, EITHER IN THAT SECTION OR UNDER NEW DESCRIPTIONS BASED ON THE INDIVIDUAL SIGN TYPES. WE ARE ADDING A SECTION ABOUT CONFLICTS BETWEEN CODE LANGUAGE AND GRAPHICS SO THERE WILL BE A CLAUSE IN THERE IF THERE'S ANY DISCREPANCIES IN THE CODE. NOTHING IN SECTION WE ARE PROVIDING, AND THEN WE ARE ALSO REORGANIZING AND ELIMINATING ANY REDUNDANT REQUIREMENTS IN THE PROHIBITED SIGN SECTION. CHAPTER V DEALS WITH THE PERMITS. THIS IS THE TABLE OF CONTENTS FOR WHAT THE NEW PERMITS CHAPTER WILL LOOK LIKE. THIS CHAPTER IS GOING TO HIGHLIGHT THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE PERMIT APPLICATION AND [00:05:02] SUBMISSION, REORGANIZING BY SUBSECTIONS OF PERMIT FORMS, SITE PLAN, DETAILS, AND MASTER SIGN PLAN. WE ARE CONSOLIDATING THE LANGUAGE FOR ENFORCEMENT AND LINKING THIS BACK TO THE COUNTIES WEBSITE FOR PERMANENT AND FEES. CHAPTER C IS THE APPEALS AND ENFORCEMENT. HIGHLIGHTS OF WHAT WE ARE MAKING CHANGES IN THIS CHAPTER IS WE WILL HAVE A STEP-BY-STEP FOR THE NONJUDICIAL APPEAL PROCESS. AGAIN, WITH LINKS BACK TO THE COUNTIES FEE SCHEDULE. CROSS REFERENCES TO THE JUDICIAL CODE OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE WHICH IS GOING TO REFERENCE US BACK TO CHAPTER 12 AS WELL AS THE NEW SECTION ADDRESSING COMPLIANCE AND TIME EXTENSIONS. CHAPTER D GETS INTO THE DESIGN AND TECHNICAL REQUIREMENTS OF THE SIGNS. WE ARE ADDING A NEW SECTION TO CLARIFY OUR CATEGORIES OF SIGNS WHICH IS ATTACHED IN FREESTANDING, TEMPORARY OR PERMANENT. WE ARE PROVIDING A SECTION ON HOW TO DO THE ASSIGNED AREA AND YOU WILL SEE WHEN ERICA SPEAKS WE ARE USING A LOT OF GRAPHICS TO ILLUSTRATE HOW TO DO SO FOR EASE OF THE USER AND WE ARE PROVIDING GUIDANCE ON ELIMINATION OF THE SIGNS AS WELL AS FOR ELECTRONIC MESSAGING. AND I WILL HAVE MARION COME UP AND RUN TO THE TEMPORARY SIGN CHANGES. >> CAN YOU HOLD ON ONE SECOND? CHRISTINE, I DIDN'T REALLY INTRODUCE EVERYBODY BECAUSE IT'S MAINLY ALL PEOPLE TO KNOW EACH OTHER HERE. ARE YOU DD2 YOU NEED TO KEEP THE DATE YOU HAVE A LIST OF EVERYBODY. OKAY. THANK YOU. >> GOOD AFTERNOON, EVERYBODY. I AM MARIANNE. THANK YOU, ANGELA, FOR DOING AN EXCELLENT JOB. WE ARE AT THE LAST TWO CHAPTERS WHICH TALKS ABOUT THE SIGN TYPES. THE PRESIDENT SIGNS AND THE TEMPORARY SIGNS. SO THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT INCLUDES ANALYSIS OF THESE TWO SIGN TYPES AND TWO CATEGORIES OF SIGNS. PERMANENT AND ALSO THE TEMPORARY. I WILL PROVIDE YOU A SUMMARY OF OUR PROPOSED AMENDMENT ONLY TEMPORARY SIGNS AND THEN PFOLLOWED BY ERICA WHO IS GOING TO GIVE YOU AN UPDATE ON WHAT WE HAVE DONE FOR THE PERMANENT SIGNS. WITH THAT SAID, ONE OF THE OBJECTIVES FOR THIS CHAPTER IS TO CLARIFY THE USE -- THE FUNCTION OF THE TEMPORARY SIGNS AND USUALLY THEY ARE ASSOCIATED WITH TEMPORARY USE AND ACTIVITIES THAT ARE CURRENTLY LOCATED AN ARTICLE 3, THE ZONING DISTRICTS AND USE REGULATIONS. THERE ARE CURRENTLY 12 EXISTING SIGN TYPES, AND LIES ALL OF THEM IN THE FULL REDUNDANCIES WE ARE LOOKING INTO THE SIMILAR REQUIREMENTS AND THEN WE TRY TO REDUCE THESE REDUNDANCIES BY ELIMINATION OR BY CONSOLIDATING THEM. WITH THAT, WE CAME UP WITH FOUR SIGN TYPES, TEMPORARY SIGN TYPES AND THEY ARE BANNER, PROJECT SIGN, WINDOW SIGN AND YARD SIGN. I WENT TO START WITH SHOWING YOU HOW WE CONSOLIDATE USING THE BANNER SIGN, THE FIRST ONE. IF YOU LOOK AT THE SLIDES, THERE ARE CURRENTLY FOUR TEMPORARY SIGN TYPES AND THEY ARE VERY SIMILAR YOUR TEMPORARY GRAND OPENING, TEMPORARY SPECIAL EVENTS RESIDENTIAL BANNER AND THEY TT WITH THE MONTHLY TERM BANNER. AND THAT IS GOOD BECAUSE WE ARE GOING TO COMPARE THEIR SIMILARITIES RATHER THAN ASSIGNING A NAME TO EACH OF THE SIGNS, SO THAT ACTUALLY MAINTAINS THE COUNTY POLICY OF NOT REGULATING THE CONTENTS OF THE SIGN OR VIEWPOINT OF THE SIGN. SO THE OTHER THING THAT I WANT TO BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION IS WE ESTABLISHED A TEMPLATE AND THAT'S GOOD BECAUSE IT'S CONSISTENT THROUGHOUT NOT ONLY ONLY TEMPORARY SIGNS ONLY PERMANENT SIGN TYPES FOR THE PERMANENT SIGN TYPES HAVE MINOR VARIATION, BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THIS TEMPLATE THE FIRST HEADING IS THE DESCRIPTION. REALLY, IT'S ALMOST LIKE A DEFINITION THAT WE KEEP THE INFORMATION GENERAL.VERY NEUTRAL AND NOT CONTENT RELATED TO THE SIDES. THE NEXT HEADING IS PERMITTED LOCATION, WHERE THEY ARE ALLOWED. WHETHER IT'S IN A RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICT OR NONRESIDENTIAL DISTRICT OR IT CAN APPLY TO ALL KINDS OF DISTRICTS. IN THE NEXT ONE IS THE PERMITS. SOME OF THESE TEMPORARY SIGNS NEED PERMIT. SO THAT INCLUDES BUILDING PERMITS, ELECTRICAL AND CHEMICAL IN THE RIGHT-OF-WAY THEY WOULD HAVE TO GET AN [00:10:02] ENCROACHMENT PERMIT. THE CLEANEST TIME PERIOD AND NOTHING ONLY APPLIES TO THE TEMPORARY SIGNS BECAUSE MANY ARE ALLOWED TO BE AT A TIME THERE ARE LIMITATIONS TO HOW LONG THEY CAN BE POSTED ON THE PREMISE. THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THAT AND THEN THE LAST ONE IS EXTENDED AND IT INCLUDES ONLY SIGNS ALLOW EACH LOT, PLOT OF LAND OR PER TENANT OR PER BUILDING. AND THEN THAT ALSO INCLUDES THE DIMENSIONAL REQUIREMENTS SUCH AS THE SIGN AREA, THE HEIGHT OF HIS TIME IN THE SETBACK, HOW FAR IT CAN BE INSTALLED FROM THE PROPERTY LINE OR THE RIGHT-OF-WAY. SO I AM GOING TO TALK TO THE NEXT THREE SIGN KITES QUICKLY BECAUSE THEY ARE PRETTY CONSISTENT IN TERMS OF THE LOCATION. THE PROJECT SITE AND WE CONSOLIDATE THE TEMPORARY CONSTRUCTION AND TEMPORARY SIGNS INTUITIVELY FIND TIME AND AGAIN, YOU SEE TRAFFIC WITH ALL ADA COMPLIANT. WE HAVE A CONFLICTING IN THE HEALTHY GRAPHIC DESCRIBING OR ILLUSTRATING. AS THE UNDERSIGNED. THERE'S ONLY ONE TYPE OF WINDOW SIGN, TEMPORARY WINDOW SIGN UNDER THE CURRENT CONSIDERS YOUR CONSOLIDATION. HOWEVER, WE ARE PROPOSING A PERMANENT WINDOW SIGN AND ERICA WILL UPDATE YOU ON THIS. LASTLY, BUT NOT LEAST IS THE YARD SIGN. WE CONSOLIDATED ELECTION TEMPORARY REAL ESTATE AND THAT INCLUDES THE DIRECTIONAL SIGNS AND THE OPEN HOUSE AND ALSO TEMPORARY GARAGE SALE SIGNS AND THAT FALLS UNDER THE CATEGORY OF THE TERM YARD. THE WITH THAT SAID, I AM DONE WITH MY VISITATION AND THANK YOU. >> ALL RIGHT. WE ARE GETTING INTO CHAPTER F, PERMANENT SIGNS SO THIS IS A LENGTHY CHAPTER AND I WILL TRY TO GO THROUGH IT. WE QUICKLY START OFF WITH THE PURPOSE AND INTENT WHICH IS THE HIGHLIGHT OF THE CHAPTER AND IT'S A NEW SECTION AND THEN WITH AMNESTY TO THE 25 EXISTING PERMANENT SIGNS AND HAVE CONSOLIDATED THEM TO 15 OF THOSE FOR VELOCITY ORGANIZE THEM FOR EASE OF USE. STARTING WITH THE SLING, ONE MORE THING TO KNOW DEMOGRAPHICS IS IF YOU SEE LETTERS, CORRESPONDING TO EACH DIMENSION, THAT ALSO FALLS WITHIN OUR TEMPLATE, FOR INSTANCE IF WE HAVE MAXIMUM SCIENCE, THAT FALLS UNDER LETTER AND B AND C AND D AND SO FORTH SO THEY ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE GRAPHICS. THIS ONE IS FAIRLY CONSISTENT WITH THE EXISTING CODE THAT MANY CHANGES IN ONE THING WE DID ADD IN MOST OF ALL OF SIGN TYPES AS WE ARE EXPLICITLY SETTING LIGHTING STANDARDS AND WHAT TYPES OF LIGHTING THAT THE WEATHER IS EXTERNAL OR INTERNAL ELIMINATION WILL ALSO REFERENCE CHAPTER D DESIGN AND TECHNICAL REQUIREMENTS WHICH WE WILL TALK ABOUT A LITTLE BIT MORE OF THE LIGHTING STANDARDS. WRITE TO THE GOING INTO TRANSIT SHELTER AND RECYCLING SIDE WE CONSOLIDATED ALL VIEWS INTO ONE WE HAVE NOT CHANGED ANYTHING BASED ON THE PERMITTED LOCATION AND A KIND PERMIT IS STILL REQUIRED. WE HAVE AMENDED TO INCLUDE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF SIGNS PROVIDED SIGN HEIGHT AND SETBACK REQUIREMENT WHICH WAS NOT IN THE EXISTING CODE AND TALKING ABOUT THE LIGHTING. THEN WE FELL INTO CANOPY SIGN, SO WE CONSOLIDATED THIS DEFINITION INTO ONE KIND TYPE WE ALSO ADDED LANGUAGE TO SPECIFY THE LOCATION OF EXACTLY WHERE THE SIGNS CAN BE HUNTED CHEMICALLY. YOU HAVE IN YOUR EXISTING CODE AND UNDER CANOPY WHICH WILL BE PROVIDED IN THE DIFFERENT PERMIT SIGNED-UNDER SUSPENDED WHICH WE WOULD GET TO LATER. OTHER THAN THAT WE HAVEN'T CHANGED ANYTHING ABOUT THE PERMITTING PROCESS. WE ADDED A COUPLE OF MORE STANDARD FOR THE MAXIMUM FINE AREA DIGITAL BILLBOARD SIGNS, SIGNS BILLBOARD TOO LITTLE BILLBOARD AND INTO ONE THERE IS NO CHANGE HAS AS FAR AS LOCATION WITH THE PERMITTING PROCESS, THE STANDARDS ARE MORE CONSISTENT AND THEN WE'VE ADDED THE GRAPHIC AS WELL. AS FAR AS THE AMOUNT OF LIGHT THAT THAT WAS THE END OF [00:15:06] CHAPTER D. WE REFERENCE CHAPTER D AND MOST OF THE LIGHTING POINTED TO THE DIRECTION OF ALL OF THE DOMAIN. THE TECHNICAL REQUIREMENTS FOR THE LIGHTING. >> THAT WAS A CONCERN THAT WAS BROUGHT UP WITH THE SELF FIV INCLUDED BEING IN THAT FASHION. GOING INTO DIRECTIONAL SIGNS, THIS CONSOLIDATES NONCOMMERCIAL ON-SITE DIRECTIONAL AND ON-SITE INTERNAL DIRECTIONAL INTO ONE SIGNS HIGH THAT ANY CHANGES HERE, HOWEVER UNDER THE STANDARDS, WEEP IN THERE THAT, YOU KNOW, IT DOES NOT FIT ON A DRIVEWAY THAT'S ONLY 20 FEET [01:05:45] LONG. YOU KNOW, SO IF THE REST OF THE [01:05:47] HOUSE WANTS TO COME FORWARD, THAT'S FINE WITH THOSE [01:05:50] DRIVEWAYS HAVE TO ACCOMMODATE THE VEHICLES WE ARE ACTUALLY [01:05:52] GOING TO PARK ON THEM. WE ALSO HAVE A THING ABOUT A [01:06:00] TWO-CAR REQUIREMENT IN THE UNFORTUNATE PART IS WE ALLOW [01:06:02] ONE OF THOSE CARS TO BE CONSIDERED TO BE IN THAT [01:06:13] GARAGE. NOBODY PARKS AND THEIR GARAGES. [01:06:15] SO THAT SECOND CAR INS UP OUT ON THE STREET OR IN THE FRONT [01:06:17] YARD OR SOMETHING. IF WE ARE GOING TO REQUIRE [01:06:19] PARKING FOR TWO CARS I THINK WE HAVE TO REQUIRE ON THE DRIVEWAYS SO THAT DDP BECAUSE PEOPLE JUST DON'T PUT THEM IN THEIR GARAGES, AT LEAST MOST PEOPLE DON'T. THE OTHER THING ARE WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE PLANNED COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT AND PLANNED URBAN DEVELOPMENTS, OVER THE LAST YEARS, YOU KNOW, WE DID A WHOLE THING WITH PLANNED COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT AND SPECIFICALLY THIS STARTED FOR THE CREIGHTON ROAD PROPERTY. WHERE IT WAS EXACTLY THAT, THE DEVELOPER BROUGHT A PLAN AND. HERE IS THE SITE PLAN AND WHAT WE ARE GOING TO PUT ON IT. EVERYBODY CAN SEE WHAT IT IS, YOU CAN APPROVE IT OR NOT APPROVE IT. SOMEHOW, WE STARTED LETTING PEOPLE COME IN AND JUST SAY, WELL, WE WANT EVERYTHING THAT'S IN BB-8 TO NONPLUSSED THIS ONE USED. THAT'S A PCD. THAT'S NOT WHAT IT WAS INTENDED FOR. THAT'S NOT WHAT THE EXPECTATION WAS. IT WAS THAT IT WOULD ACTUALLY BE A PLANNED SOMETHING THAT WE COULD LOOK AT. AND THAT WILL BE IT. I WILL JUST SHUT UP THERE AND LET EVERYBODY ELSE GO. BUT THOSE ARE THINGS I THINK HAVE TO BE LOOKED AT. THEY ARE THINGS THAT WE SEE OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN AND WE DON'T PROHIBIT THEM IN THE CODE, BUT THEY HAPPEN. YOU CAN'T TELL SOMEONE THEY HAVE TO HAVE A 25 FOOT DRIVING WHEN THE CODE SAYS IT'S ONLY GOT TO BE 20 FEET. SO WE HAVE TO MAKE THOSE CHANGES AND WE HAVE TO REQUIRE PEOPLE TO DO THAT. LET'S START OVER HERE THIS TIME. BETSY PICKED. >> OKAY. SO MY FIRST -- I DON'T REALLY HAVE I HAVE NOT FIGURED OUT A STREAM YET. THAT'S WHY WE ARE REVISING IT. OPPORTUNITIES FOR IMPROVEMENT. SOMEONE OF THE THINGS THAT IS REALLY DIFFICULT THAT I GET CALLS FROM RESIDENTS ON IS FOR INSTANCE, IN THE -- I LIVE IN A RURAL AREA, SO IN LETTER AND A ZONING, IT'S AR AND YOU CAN BUILD ONE HOUSE PER FIVE ACRES. BUT IF IT HAS THIS OR IS THIS SIZE, THERE IS LOT OF IF/THEN AND IF WE CAN GET SOME CONSOLIDATION -- I LIKE WHAT YOU DID WITH THE CODE. >> YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT THE POINT SYSTEM? >> NOT JUST THE POINTS. THERE ARE OTHER QUALIFIERS IN THEIR. >> WELL, THE OTHER QUALIFIER IS THE LAND-USE THOSE ZONINGS ARE SITTING ON. >> I DON'T KNOW IF THAT CAN BE CONSOLIDATED. >> CLARITY IS WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR. BUT I WILL TELL YOU IT JUST AS A POINT, I LIVE ON AR PROPERTY. AND WITH AN UNDERLYING NEED USE OF URBAN CORE. SO I AM NOT SURE YOU WANT EXACTLY THE SAME THING ON THE PROPERTY AS YOU DO WHERE YOU ARE, WHERE YOU ARE ON RURAL. >> BUT IT GETS VERY CONFUSING FOR SOMEBODY AND THEN THEY HAVE TO CALL STAFF AND WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF STUFF AND IT TAKES UP QUESTIONS. >> I DON'T THINK IT'S WRITTEN WELL AND DECODE. YOU HAVE TO -- I'M SURE THAT [01:10:02] YOU CAN CLARIFY IT TO SOMEHOW CONSOLIDATE THOSE TABLES THAT ARE IN THERE TO MAKE IT MORE CLEAR FOR PEOPLE. >> WE DO WANT TO LOOK AT UPDATING AND MAKING THINGS MORE TABULAR, MORE CHARTS AND THINGS THAT ARE A LOT EASIER TO READ RATHER THAN THESE LITTLE MAZE OF REFERENCES TO GET YOU TO THE CORRECT ANSWER. >> AND ON THAT, DEFINING LAND USE AND ZONING AND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THEM AND NOT JUST THE TECHNICAL DEFINITION FOR THE WORLD THAT YOU ALL EVENT OR AT THE STATE DEFINITION BUT REALLY SO THAT THE AVERAGE PERSON CAN UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE AND WE WILL SIT IN A COUNTY COMMISSION MEETING AND THEY WILL HAVE BEEN ALL THE WAY THROUGH THEM, THE PLANNING COMMISSION MAYBE SEVERAL TIMES IN THE PUBLIC GETS UP AND MAKES PUBLIC COMMENT AND WE'RE ONLY TALKING ABOUT LAND-USE CHANGE AND THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT DENSITY. OF ZONING AND THINGS LIKE THAT OR CHANGE THE ZONING. YOU ALL KNOW WHAT I MEAN. IF YOU CAN ADDRESS IF WE ARE GOING TO GO WITH MORE OF THE LOOK OF THE LAKE ASBURY MASTER PLAN AND GRANVILLE MASTER PLAN, WE NEED TO REQUIRE -- I DON'T KNOW IF IT WILL BE IN THE CODE BUT NO MORE OF THESE CIRCULAR DEFINITIONS THAT A PIECE OF PROPERTY IS GOING TO BE MULTIPLE WHATEVER. SO VILLAGE CENTER CANNOT BE A CIRCLE BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE IT COMES TO THE TWO COMMISSIONS TO THEN DETERMINE IF SOMEBODY CAN ACTUALLY TAKE A RECTANGULAR PIECE OF PROPERTY AND MAKE IT ALL ONE. >> SQUARE PEG RAND PAUL. >> YES. I WOULD BE A FAN OF -- I KNOW WE HAVE HAD A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS -- AND PROBABLY THE COMMISSIONER WILL TALK MORE ABOUT THIS BUT ABOUT LOT SIZES. I DON'T HAVE AS MUCH OF AN ISSUE WITH THE SMALLER LOT SIZES. IF YOU CAN REQUIRE MAYBE NOT THE PERCENTAGES BUT IF THERE IS SOME WAY TO REQUIRE A CERTAIN AMOUNT AND DEVELOPMENTS TO BE THE LARGER LOT SIZES SO WE DON'T HAVE THESE COOKIE-CUTTER NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ALL LOOK THE SAME, BUT THAT THEY CAN HAVE MULTIPLE -- YOU KNOW, IF YOU DRIVE THROUGH -- IN RIVERSIDE AND JACKSONVILLE, THEY HAVE TO TEETH THERE WILL BE A BIG HOME RIGHT BESIDE A SMALLER HOME AND IT DOESN'T MAKE THE NEIGHBORHOOD UNATTRACTIVE. AND IT WOULD APPEAL TO DIFFERENT INCOME LEVELS OR DIFFERENT STAGES OF LIFE. ANYWAY, THAT WOULD BE IDEAL. >> HAVE YOU BEEN WATCHING ME? >> NO. >> OKAY. >> AND IF YOU CAN ADDRESS -- IF YOU COULD ADDRESS SOMEHOW IN OUR CODE -- BECAUSE IT'S ADDRESSED BUT IT'S NOT DONE WELL, TRACTOR-TRAILER STORAGE. T'S AN ISSUE IN MY DISTRICT. AND INSTEAD OF -- SO THERE ARE TWO PLACES RIGHT NOW THAT PEOPLE PAY RENT TO STORE TRACTOR-TRAILERS THAT ARE NOT ZONED FOR THAT. BUT IF CODE ENFORCEMENT DOVES AND SHUTS THEM DOWN, THEN PEOPLE CAN'T WORK AND WE NEED TRACTOR-TRAILER DRIVERS.AND SO IF WE CAN FIGURE OUT A WAY -- AND THEN THE FINAL THING WE TALKED ABOUT IT A LITTLE BIT EARLIER IS SOME KIND OF INCENTIVE FOR REDEVELOPING THESE RUNDOWN -- I THINK OF WHERE ALTON'S WAS. THAT SHOPPING CENTER IS SUCH AN EYESORE. >> BETSY, ON THE TRACTOR-TRAILER THING, FOR CLARIFICATION, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT WORKING -- PEOPLE NEED SOMEWHERE TO PARK THE RIGS OVERNIGHT. AS WE WERE TALKING ABOUT. YOU ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE WHO ARE PUTTING OLD SEMI TRAILER DANCING USING THE FIRST WORD ON THEIR PROPERTY? YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE WHO NEEDED SOMEWHERE TO PARK THEIR STUFF AT NIGHT? >> YES. BECAUSE WHAT THEY ARE DOING AS THEY ARE USING COUNTY PROPERTY AND EASEMENTS AND THEY ARE USING -- THEY ARE JUST VIOLATING THE CODE PARKING IN FRONT OF THE HOUSE WHERE IT'S NOT ZONED FOR THAT.UT THEN, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE THE CONVERSATION, HOW ARE THEY SUPPOSED TO WORK. >> I KNOW TWO OF MY NEIGHBORS ARE TRUCKERS AND THEY PARKED THEIR TRUCKS IN THEIR FRONT YARDS. BUT THEY HAVE A GREAT AND THEY ARE ABLE TO DO IT AND NOBODY COMPLAINS. BUT IT'S A REAL PROBLEM IF YOU LIVE IN ANOTHER NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE YOU PUT THAT OVERNIGHT. >> EVEN IF THEY HAVE ACREAGE, MOST OF OUR ZONING AND THE CURRENT CODE SAYS IT HAS TO EITHER BE ON THE SIDE YARD OR IN THE BACK. >> RIGHT. NOT IN THE FRONT. >> SO THOSE ARE MINE. >> WAYNE? >> I WILL MAKE THE STATEMENT THAT WE HAVE ENOUGH PEOPLE LIVING IN CLAY COUNTY RIGHT NOW TO SATISFY ME. I WOULDN'T CARE IF ANOTHER PERSON MOVED IN HERE. I KNOW WE CAN'T STOP IT. BUT IT SEEMS AT TIMES WE ARE GOING OUT OF OUR WAY TO MAKE IT EASIER FOR MORE PEOPLE TO MOVE IN. I MEAN, WHY? I MEAN, WHAT'S IT DOING FOR US? IT'S DEGRADING OUR LIFE, REALLY. SO ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO MAKE QUALITY OUR NUMBER ONE OBJECTIVE INSTEAD OF VOLUME IS [01:15:08] SOMETHING I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF. WHEN I GET APPEARED -- I WILL BE HONEST WITH YOU. KNOW A LOT ABOUT A LOT OF STUFF BUT THE ZONING STUFF AFTER EIGHT YEARS OF THIS IS SORT OF LEVERAGE -- VOODOO FOR ME. ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO MAKE THIS A BETTER PLACE TO LIVE? I GO UP TO NEW ENGLAND AND YOU THINK ABOUT NEW ENGLAND BEING DENSE AND ALL OF THAT, IT'S SPACIOUS COMPAREDTO WHAT I'VE SEEN AROUND HERE. I MEAN, WE'RE JUST GETTING OVERGROWN. SO I WOULD LOOK FOR SOME KIND OF BREAK. WE DID THIS THING WITH LAKE AS VERY WHERE WE SAID WE ARE NOT GOING TO INCREASE DENSITY BEYOND WHAT WE'VE ALREADY GOT ON THE BOOKS. I WOULDN'T BE OPPOSED TO DOING THAT FOR MOST OF THE COUNTY. WHAT ELSE? PARKING IN FRONT OF YOUR HOUSE. IN OUR HOA, WE'VE GOT PEOPLE DOING BUSINESS. IN THEIR HOMES. ONE OF THE ISSUES A GUY HAS A BUNCH OF YARD EQUIPMENT AND SHEETS AND A BIG TRAILER. WE'VE NOT BEEN ABLE TO COME UP WITH A WAY TO FIX THAT. HE'S GOT A LICENSE PLATE ON IT DOESN'T HAVE ANY SIGN ON THE SIDES OF HIS NONCOMMERCIAL VEHICLE. BUT IT'S IN THE SAME DARK SPOT EVERY DAY. I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU FIX THAT, BUT THAT'S AN ISSUE. I GET A LOT OF CALLS ABOUT THE ROADS CAN'T TAKE MORE TRAFFIC. ELL, WE'RE DOING THE BEST WE CAN, BUT I CAN'T STOP PEOPLE FROM MOVING HERE. SO YOU ARE TALKING TINY HOUSES AND I KNOW WE'VE GOT THIS AFFORDABLE HOUSING ISSUES. MY SOLUTION TO THAT IS BUILDING UP. I REALLY FEEL WE NEED TO DESIGNATE SOME AREA IN THE COUNTY TO BE A DENSE URBAN AREA WITH SOME HIGH-RISES, APARTMENT BUILDINGS. THAT WAY, WE GET A PLACE FOR EVERYONE TO HAVE AN APARTMENT HE WANTS TO MOVE HERE BUT WE DON'T EAT ALL OF THE GREEN SPACE UP IN THE COUNTY WHICH WE ARE DOING PRETTY QUICKLY NOW. I'M TRYING TO GET THIS TRAILED WELL BUT I'M THINKING OF WE DON'T GET THIS DONE SOON IT'S NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN BECAUSE IT WILL BE DEVELOPED. AND IT'S JUST LIKE I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE BREAK IS BUT WE NEED TO FIGURE THAT OUT SO WE CAN SLOW THIS DOWN SOMEHOW. WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY EXTENSIVELY AND I DON'T THINK THEY'VE SOLVED THE PROBLEM. BUT I THINK ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO MAKE -- ONE HOUSE ONE ACRE KIND OF THING IS GOOD FOR ME. THAT'S ALL OF GOD. >> WE MIGHT AS WELL START WITH -- YOU LED ME TO START WITH -- AS BEEN ON THE BOARD FOR SIX YEARS AND FIVE AND ABOUT THOSE YEARS I'VE BEEN COMPLAINING ABOUT 40 FOOT LOTS -- LOT FRONTS IN CLAY COUNTY AND BIOLOGIST -- I'M SORRY I DO THIS. I DON'T KNOW ANYBODY WHO LIVES IN THE DEVELOPMENT BUT I'M SURE THERE ARE MORE PITCHFORKS AND TORCHES CHASE ME DOWN BUT MAYFIELD'S IS A PRIME EXAMPLE. YOU GO THERE AFTER 5:00 AND AFTER THE DATE THERE ARE FOUR OR FIVE CARS IN THE AFTERNOON -- IN THE FRONT YARD AND THE STREET IS ONLY ABOUT A 20 FOOT STREET AND IT WAS MADE TO FULLY INCREASE THE WIDTH OF THE STREET TO 24 FEET IN THE QUALITY OF LIFE IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT. SO WHETHER IT'S A 40 FOOT LOT FOR THE SETBACK ELSEWHERE ON STREET PARKING BUILT INTO THE DEVELOPMENTS OF PEOPLE CAN ACTUALLY PARK AND NOT BE IN THE STREET BUT HAVE SOME KIND OF PARKING SPACE, ALL OF THOSE THINGS COMBINED TO MAKE LIFE A LITTLE EASIER ON EVERYBODY. AND EVEN TO THE EXTENT THAT WE HAVE MULTIFAMILY HOUSING. IT'S NEVER ENOUGH PARKING. MAKE THAT THE DEVELOPER PUT IN ENOUGH PARKING SO EVERYONE CAN PARK WITHOUT BEING TOWED AWAY BECAUSE THE HOA IS ANGRY BECAUSE THEY ARE IN THE WRONG SPOT AND THEY'VE GOT ONE DRIVEWAY WHICH IS A ONE CAR WITH AND ONE CAR GARAGE. SO, >> IT'S ACTUALLY NOT IN THE GARAGE. >> NOBODY USES THAT. THAT'S LIKE A MINI STORAGE FACILITY IN THEIR HOUSE FOR THE USER TO STORE STUFF. I'M FROM UP NORTH. WE HAD BASEMENTS. WE USED TO THROW OFF THE STUFF DOWNSTAIRS AND NOT LOOK AT IT AGAIN. SO HERE IT'S A LITTLE TOUGHER TO DIG A BASEMENT. IT MIGHT BE FLOATING AWAY. SO I AM WITH YOU IN TERMS OF THE SETBACKS. I AM ALSO WITH THE IDEA THAT OKAY, BUILDERS TELL ME THEY HAVE TO BUILD A 40 FOOT LOT BECAUSE OTHERWISE THE COST IS TOO GREAT IF THEY GO WIDER. LET'S MIX IT UP OR HAVE A PORTION OF THAT LIKE AT [01:20:07] RIVERTOWN IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY. THEY HAVE 40S, 50S, 60S, 70S. >> MIXED-USE. >> THE 40S HAS A TOWN CENTER WHERE THEY'VE GOT SMALLER HOMES ON SMALLER LOTS WHERE IT BECOMES A 55 AND OVERTYPE COMMUNITY WITHIN -- RIGHT ON THE TOWN GREEN KIND OF THING. AND I THINK WHEN WE HAD OUR LCD WORKSHOP I CHALLENGED THE BUILDERS TO COME UP WITH STUFF THAT WOULD WORK FOR US. IN FACT IT WAS THE FIRST TIME I DID SOMETHING TO BRING TO THE BOARD TO SEE IF WE COULD GET IT PASSED WAS TINY HOUSES AND THAT GOT SHOT DOWN AND I SAID I'M NOT DOING THAT AGAIN. BUT I THINK WE'VE GOT TO LOOK AT ALL ALTERNATIVES AS FAR AS THAT'S CONCERNED. I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH GOING UP IN TERMS OF APARTMENTS, BUT I THINK THEY'VE GOT TO BE IN THE RIGHT PLACE. THEY JUST WANTED TO STICK THEM FOREVER. AND I THINK ALONG THE EXPRESSWAY, THE NEW EXPRESSWAY, THAT'S A GOOD PLACE FOR THEM. I THINK WE HAVE TO BE SMART ABOUT WHERE THEY END UP. BUT I VOTED A COUPLE OF TIMES NOW IN THE PAST YEAR OR SO AGAINST DEVELOPMENTS THAT HAVE 40 FOOT LOTS AND THAT'S ALL THEY HAVE. I THINK WE HAVE TO BE SMART ABOUT WHERE PEOPLE BUILD AND MITIGATE WETLANDS. WE ARE SEEING OVER AND OVER AGAIN THIS PAST COUPLE OF WEEKS ALL OF THE RAIN WE'VE HAD AND I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW MANY TIMES PUBLIC WORKS HAS BEEN OUT BECAUSE OF GROUNDWATER FLOODING. AND THAT'S NOT EVEN ALLOWED HURRICANES. THAT'S GARDEN-VARIETY THUNDERSTORMS DROPPING A COUPLE OF INCHES ON US. SO I THINK WE HAVE TO BE MORE CAREFUL OF THAT. THEY PUT THESE LIFT STATIONS IN AND THEY DON'T WORK THE RIGHT WAY. >> DEVELOPERS LONG GONE AND QUITE HONESTLY, YOU CAN TELL THE NEIGHBORHOODS WHEN THEY'VE BEEN BUILT HERE.HE 70S AND 80S THESE ARE BUILT IN THE 90S AND NOW WE ARE BUILDING UP HERE AND ALL OF THE WATER GOES TO THE GUYS THAT WERE HEALTH -- HERE FIRST. SO HAVE A REAL PROBLEM WITH -- IS ONE OF THE THINGS I WAS AMAZED THAT WHEN WE MOVED HERE FROM CONNECTICUT. THESE ARE WETLANDS BUT THEY WILL MITIGATED BECAUSE THEREBY WETLANDS IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY SO WE WILL USE THESE HERE. THAT DOESN'T SOLVE THE PROBLEM. THE WATER IS STILL HERE AND DOESN'T GO ANYWHERE. SO THE MINIMUM SIZE A LOT, I GUESS I COULD LIVE IF IT HELPS A BUILDER OR DEVELOPER ABLE TO DO WHAT THEY NEED TO DO. I DON'T WANT TO SEE COOKIE-CUTTER 45, 40 FOOT ALL AT THE SAME SETBACK OFF THE ROAD. THAT'S THE OTHER THING THEY DO. YOU'VE GOT HOME FURTHER BACK AND ONCE YOU DRIVE DOWN ONE SET MATURES WITH THE TREES AND PLANT MATERIAL IT LOOKS A LOT DIFFERENT THAN SOME OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS WE END UP WITH. AND SO THAT'S SOMETHING I THINK WOULD REALLY BE GOOD. I THINK WE VOTED THREE OR FOUR YEARS AGO ABOUT OUR NEXT TREE AND RIGHT NOW, THEY'VE GOT SO MANY FEET THEY HAVE TO PUT TREES. I THINK WE NEED MORE TREES. YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY IN THOSE DEVELOPMENTS WHERE WE CLEAR CUT THE LAND AND MAKE THEM PUT MORE TREES. MAKE THE POETRY AND EVERY LOT, NOT JUST EVERY OTHER LOT OR WHATEVER THE LENGTH IS THAT THEY HAVE DELETE THE SEPARATION. WE DID SOME WORK IN THIS PAST YEAR ON ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS. I THINK THAT'S ANOTHER WAY WE CAN ATTACK AFFORDABLE HOUSING IF PEOPLE HAVE PROPERTY THAT'S LOUD ENOUGH NOT WE'VE GIVEN THEM AN OPPORTUNITY TO BUILD A BIGGER STRUCTURE IN THE AIR SO IT CAN BE IN LAWS SET UP OR WHATEVER THEY WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT. I DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE A BAD THING TO REVISIT TINY HOUSES. >> TINY HOUSES?> ALSO I AGREE WITH VILLAGE CENTER AND NOT ONLY IN TERMS OF THE SHAPE, THE GEOMETRICS OF THE WHOLE THING, I ALSO THINK IT'S A FLAWED SYSTEM BECAUSE IF YOU WERE THERE FIRST YOU WERE ABLE TO USE UP ALL OF THE RESIDENTIAL PERCENTAGE BEFORE THE PEOPLE AT THE END. IF YOU GET ALL OF THE RESIDENTIAL PERCENTAGE THAT'S ALLOWED GONE IN THE FIRST FEW AT THE BACK AND THEY ARE ALL 100 PERCENT COMMERCIAL BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE ANY RESIDENTIAL LEFT TO BUILD AND I THINK THAT'S PROBLEMATIC AND I THINK WE JUST SOLD THE OTHER DAY WHEN WE HAD TO VOTE ON THAT PROPERTY THAT'S AT THE CORNER OF SANDRIDGE AND RUSSELLS. YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO DOWN THE LINE A LITTLE BIT TO KNOW THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE TOO REFER VILLAGE CENTERS THAT ONLY DO HUNDRED PERCENT COMMERCIAL AND THEY WILL BRING IT TO WHATEVER BOARD IS THERE WITH WHOEVER IS ON THE BOARD UNTIL I CAN BUILD [01:25:01] IS 100 PERCENT COMMERCIAL THAT DOESN'T WORK AND I GET 50 PERCENT RESIDENTIAL AND OLIVE, RESIDENTIAL. SO I THINK THAT HAS TO BE LOOKED AT WITH ANOTHER WAY AS WELL. >> I'M GOING TO SKIP THERE AND GO DOWN -- >> I'M COMING BACK BUT I WANT TO GIVE THE COMMISSIONER THE CHANCE TO HAVE THEIR SAY. >> (AWAY FROM MIC). >> AFFORDABLE HOUSING, THEIR PEOPLE THAT CAN AFFORD THE RIVER AND A SINGLE WIDE. WE NEED TO LOOK AT A WHOLE SPECTRUM OF HOUSING TYPES EVERYWHERE FROM ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT IN APARTMENTS AND DUPLEXES THE LAST MEETING WE JUST APPROVE IN A MASTER PLAN BY VERY LOTS WERE MANUFACTURED HOMES. SOMEBODY BROUGHT UP THE FACT THAT A MANUFACTURED HOME HAD COST $300,000 AND FIVE ACRES. IS THAT AFFORDABLE? NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE. WE HAVE TO -- IF WE WANT SOMEBODY TO FIX THE HVAC SYSTEM OR REPAIR YOUR CAR YOU NEED TO GIVE THEM TO LIVE CLOSE TO THEIR WORK OR ARE YOU BELIEVE THESE PROBLEMS FOREVER ONE OF THE PROBLEMS I'VE EXPERIENCED IS DIRT ROADS. WE STILL BUILDINGS ON DIRT ROADS.WHY? WHY DON'T WE ENFORCE THAT? IT'S GOT TO BE PAVED AND WE ARE KICKING THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD IS A FUTURE COMMISSION WILL HAVE TO DEAL WITH THAT DIRT ROAD AT SOME POINT. ON STREET PARKING. WHY DON'T WE PROHIBIT ON STREET PARKING COMPLETELY. THE STREETS ARE LIGHT ENOUGH. EVEN WITH 25 FEET IF YOU GET TWO CARS ON OPPOSING TRAFFIC AND HE TRIED TO GET A LADDER TRUCK THROUGH THEIR AND LIKE THE DRIVEWAYS IF WE DON'T INCREASE THOSE WE ARE PARKING ON LAWS. WE CAN'T DO THAT IN ORANGE PARK WE DON'T ALLOW >> WE HAVE TO LOOK AT MAKING THAT A CODE VIOLATION HERE AS WELL. YOU KNOW, OWNER-OPERATOR RIGS, NOT ONLY THEY DO DO THEY PARK IN THEIR YARD ON OR ON THEIR PROPERTY, THEY PARK ALONG HIGHWAYS AND ROADS. THAT IS A REAL DANGER. YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE PEOPLE THAT ARE DISTRACTED. YOU HAVE BICYCLES THAT TAKE OVER. THEN YOU HAVE A RIG SITTING BESIDE... YOU KNOW, IN THE RIGHT-OF-WAY. WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THAT. THAT IS ABOUT ALL I'VE GOT. >> HE STOLE A BUNCH OF MINE. >> WELL, THAT IS GOOD. >> WITH ALL THESE MASTER PLANS AND THE VILLAGE CENTER, IT IS LIKE WE HAVE NEIGHBORS THAT CAN INTERPRET IT SO MANY DIFFERENT WAYS. AND SO WHENEVER WE COME, THERE IS NO, THERE IS NO SET WAY TO TELL THEM. NO, YOU ARE WRONG OR YOU ARE RIGHT. I THINK THAT WAS A BIG ONE FOR ME. LET'S SEE. WE HAD ONE RECENTLY. THIS NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED. VILLAGE CENTER, A DEVELOPER ASKED IF HE COULD... WHAT WOULD WE THINK ABOUT REZONING FOR COMMERCIAL RIGHT DOWN THE ROAD FROM THE VILLAGE CENTER. OF COURSE, WE HAVE COMMERCIAL WE WANT TO GO TO THIS VILLAGE CENTER. THEY HAD LAND SET ASIDE. IT IS KIND OF LIKE WE HAD TO SAY NO, THAT IS NOT A GOOD IDEA. HOPEFULLY, THEY WILL JUST LISTEN, BUT THAT SHOULD BE, THAT SHOULD BE PUT IN THERE. LET'S SEE. WHAT ABOUT THE YARDS? PEOPLE THAT HAVE THEIR BUSINESSES, AND THEY HAVE TEN CARS THIS THEIR YARD. AS LONG AS THEY HAVE TAGS, THEN THEY ARE ALLOWED TO HAVE THEM THERE. YOU KNOW, I GUESS MAYBE IF WE COULD GET RID OF THE... WHAT YOU SAID. NO VEHICLES IN THE YARDS, THAT WOULD BE... MAYBE THAT WOULD TAKE CARE OF THAT. IT IS JUST NOT FAIR FOR THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. THERE IS REALLY NOTHING WE CAN DO. THAT IS WHAT IT SAYS. AS FAR AS THE DEVELOPMENT-- THANK YOU SO MUCH. YOU KNOW, I THOUGHT THAT WHENEVER WE INCREASED OUR IMPACT FEES, IT WAS GOING TO TRY TO... THE ATTEMPT WAS MADE TO KEEP PEOPLE FROM COMING HERE AS MUCH. OR MAYBE IT WOULD... YOU KNOW, STEER THEM AWAY FROM THIS AREA SO WE COULD CATCH UP AND IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE IT HAS DONE ANYTHING IN MY EYES,... YOU KNOW, WE ARE ABOUT TO DEAL WITH ANOTHER DEVELOPMENT WHEN D.O.T. [01:30:02] IS NOT EVEN GOING TO LOOK AT FOUR-LANING 16 FOR WHO KNOWS HOW LONG. BUT YET WE ARE SUPPOSED TO FEEL BAD FOR THESE DEVELOPERS, BECAUSE THEY CAN'T BUY THIS PROPERTY AT A DEAL RIGHT NOW. IF WE DON'T AGREE WITH THAT RIGHT NOW. YOU KNOW, IF WE DON'T APPROVE. THAT WELL, I'M SORRY. I CAN'T, I CAN'T LOOK AT THAT. I HAVE TO LOOK AT WHAT'S RIGHT FOR THE PEOPLE. SO YOU KNOW, WE NEED A BREAK SOMEHOW. I DON'T KNOW HOW TO TELL YOU TO DO IT. I'M A CHIROPRACTOR. YOU KNOW... CLEAR-CUTTING TREES, YOU KNOW, I JUST FEEL LIKE WE COULD DO A BETTER JOB WITH IT. YOU KNOW, I KNOW WE HAVE TRIED TO COME UP WITH DIFFERENT RULES FOR THAT. BUT I THINK WE NEED TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING BETTER FOR THAT. WE HAVE TO HAVE TREES LEFT. YOU KNOW, THIS IS... I GUESS THE PENALTY FOR PEOPLE THAT DID IT BEFORE THEY WERE ABLE... BEFORE THEY WERE TOLD THEY COULD DO IT, I THINK THAT IS... I'M HOPING WE WILL INCREASE THAT QUITE A BIT. WE WILL SEE. DRIVEWAY LINKS. AGAIN, SAME THING ALL Y'ALL SAID. THERE IS A DEVELOPMENT. I KNOW THAT OFF 220, AND I WENT IN THERE AND I JUST... I WAS, LIKE, I CAN'T IMAGINE LIVING IN THERE AND BEING SCARED TO DEATH THAT A RESCUE WOULD HAVE TO GET TO MY HOUSE. AND THERE IS NO WAY THEY COULD FIT IN THERE. AS FAR AS DEVELOPERS, I JUST, LIKE... IF WE ARE GOING TO HAVE, I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE A BREAK IN DEVELOPMENT SO WE CAN CATCH UP. IF WE ARE NOT AND FOR THE DEVELOPERS THAT ARE COMING IN, WHAT ABOUT SOME BETTER QUALITY IN THEIR HOUSING? I'M NOT GOING TO, I'M NOT GOING TO NAME ANY DEVELOPERS. WHEN OFF WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WANTS TO FILE LAWSUITS, AND IT IS THE SAME DEVELOPER OVER AND OVER AGAIN, AND THEY ARE NOT COMING INENING A AND DOING WHAT THEY NEED TO WITH MOLD ON THESE PEOPLE'S HOUSES. YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I JUST FEEL LIKE WE SHOULD... WE NEED TO EXPECT AND WE NEED TO JUST EXPECT THAT BETTER QUALITY FOR OUR PEOPLE. LET'S SEE WHAT ELSE I HAVE. TALKING TO COMMISSIONER... TALKING ABOUT THE FLOODING. YOU KNOW, HOW ARE THESE DEVELOPERS ABLE TO GET AWAY WITH BUILDING UP SO HIGH? AND THEN THE PEOPLE THERE ARE JUST FLOODED REGULARLY. AS A PRIME EXAMPLE FOR ME IN MY DISTRICT, AND THE MITIGATING WETLANDS. THAT WAS A BIG ONE TO ME ALSO. TO BE MORE CAREFUL WHEN WE ARE DOING THAT. THAT IS ALL I HAVE. SORRY. ONE MORE. I'M SORRY. SORRY. THE VILLAGE CENTERS. WE HAVE A LOT OF PROPERTY LINES THAT ARE, LIKE, SOME OF THE PEOPLE'S PROPERTIES. AND I THINK IF THERE IS ANY WAY, WHENEVER WE COME UP WITH THAT NON-CIRCLE OR HOWEVER WE ARE GOING SHAPE IT, THAT WE ARE BETTER WITH THAT: NOW WHAT WE ARE FACED WITH IS IF WE GET RID OF A PROPERTY, IF WE HAVE TO... BECAUSE OF THE ROAD, THEN I HAVE NEIGHBORS AND CONSTITUENTS THAT ARE SAYING OKAY, WELL, NOW IT IS GOING TO OPEN MORE A PERCENTAGE OF RESIDENTIAL UP. WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO THEN? WHAT PERCENTAGE IS GOING TO BE LEFT? I THINK WE NEED TO BE MORE CAREFUL AS FAR AS WHENEVER WE FIGURE OUT THOSE VILLAGE CENTERS, IF WE END UP DOING THOSE IN DIFFERENT AREAS THAT WE ARE NOT SPLITTING UP PROPERTY LINES. >> OKAY. >> ANNETTE? >> YES, THANK YOU. >> WE WILL GO THROUGH THE REST OF THEM. I WANT TO POINT OUT THAT IT IS ABOUT SIX MINUTES AFTER 6:00. WE HAVE 25 MINUTES LEFT. SO TRY TO KEEP YOUR REMARKS KIND OF BRIEF. I WOULD... I DID WANT TO MAKE A COUPLE OF QUICK RESPONSES. ONE, MIKE, IF YOU GET A CHANCE, FLORIDA POWER AND LIGHT HAS A VERY INTERESTING THING ON THEIR WEBSITE CALLED THE RIGHT TREE IN THE RIGHT PLACE. BECAUSE THEY HAD A LOT OF PROBLEM WITH US... WELL, NOT THIS COUNTY. ENTITIES OR WHATEVER, PLANTING THESE GIANT OAK TREES RIGHT UNDER THEIR POWER LINES. THEIR POINT WAS WE WANT THE TREES, BUT LET'S PUT THE TREE IN THERE THAT THE POWER COMPANIES ARE NOT GOING TO COME BACK AND HACK APART LATER. IT IS A PRETTY GOOD WEBSIT. >> I WOULD THINK IT IS ALSO LOCATION. >> YEAH. THEY CALL IT RIGHT TREE I THE RIGHT PLACE. >> YES. >> YES. THE OTHER THING YOU MENTIONED ON-STREET PARKING. THAT WAS SOMETHING I BROUGHT UP ONE TIME, TOO. WHEN YOU GET INTO THESE DEVELOPMENTS WHERE THERE IS SO MANY CARS IN THERE, THAT WE NEED TO RETHINK THIS IDEA OF WHERE WE ARE GOING TO PUT ANGLED STREET PARKING ALL THE WAY DOWN. SOMETHING THAT SOMEWHERE PEOPLE CAN PUT THOSE CARS. RIGHT? THE OTHER THING, AND I WOULD THROW THIS OUT, TOO, YOU MENTIONED... NO, NUMBERED VEHICLES. [01:35:01] >> WE DO THAT, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE DON'T PENALIZE AN OWNER FOR EXAMPLE, THAT OWNS THREE VEHICLES, AND THEY ARE ALL IN RUNNING CONDITIONS. I DRIVE ALL OF THEM BUT I OWN THREE VEHICLES. >> YOU MEAN AND THEY CAN'T FIT IN THE DRIVEWAY? IS THAT WHAT YOU MEAN? >> WELL, THEY FIT MANY MY DRIVEWAY. YOU MEAN LIKE IN THE YARD? I GUESS I'M JUST CAUTIONING THAT LET'S WORD THAT IN SUCH A WAY THAT WE DON'T ACCIDENTALLY IMPEDE SOMEBODY. >> LIKE NO PARKING ON THE GRASS. >> I TRIED DOING SOMETHING ABOUT THE TRAILER DEAL IN THE YARDS. WHAT HAPPENED WAS IF WE DO IT FOR ONE PLACE, WE HAVE TO DO IT FOR EVERYBODY. AND THEN THAT GETS INTO THE FARM STUFF. >> YOU CAN MAYBE IT DO IT BY ZONING CODE. THAT IS THE OTHER THING. AND JUST GOING TO THROW THIS OUT THERE AS A TALKING POINT. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS FOLLOW WHAT'S GOING ON IN OTHER COUNTIES. ONE COUNTY... I DON'T THINK THEY FINALIZED IT YET. THEY ARE IN THE PROCESS OF CHANGING THEIR ZONING CODES TO ALLOW MULTI-FAMILY IN ALL RESIDENTIAL AREAS. THERE WON'T BE ANYWHERE IN GAINESVILLE THAT CAN BE DESIGNATED AS SINGLE-FAMILY-ONLY. >> RIGHT. >> NOW, A LOT OF PEOPLE THINK THAT IS A BAD IDEA. BACK TO YOUR POINT, BETSY, IT CREATES RIVERSIDE. BECAUSE SOMEONE CAN GO IN AND PUT A FOUR-PLEX APARTMENT IN NEXT TO A SINGLE-FAMILY HOME. WHICH YOU FIND ALL OVER RIVERSIDE. I KNOW GAINESVILLE IS DOING IT. IF THIS IS SOMETHING THAT YOU ARE NOT AWARE OF, YOU MIGHT WANT TO LOOK WHAT THE THEY ARE DOING. PETE, WHAT DO YOU HAVE? >> I'LL MAKE MINE REAL QUICK. BUT I HAVE HEARD A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT TOO MANY CARS ON THE STREET. TOO MANY CARS IN THE DRIVEWAY. I LIVED IN JAPAN FOR THREE YEARS. I LIVED IN... THIS WAS IN THE 70'S. IN A $200,000 HOUSE. MY LOT FRONT WAS ABOUT 20 FEET. THE HOUSE WAS ABOUT 800 SQUARE FEET. THE NEIGHBORHOOD... IT WAS A DEVELOPMENT. THERE WAS NO DRIVEWAY. FORGET THAT. NO GARAGE. YOU WERE NOT ALLOWED TO PARK ON THE STREET. WHAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD, WHAT THE NEIGHBORS DO OVER THERE, THEY CREATE A PARKING LOT ASSOCIATED WITH THE DEVELOPMENT. I HAD TO PAY FOR THAT TO PARK MY VEHICLE. THAT HELPED PAY FOR TH PARKING... THAT IS ONE SOLUTION. BACK TO THIS. MOST OF MY STUFF HAS BEEN TALKED ABOUT. MY EXTRA... MY AX TO GRIND IS BUFFERS. MOSTLY BETWEEN THE COMMERCIAL AREAS AND RESIDENTIAL AREAS. I MEAN, WE ARE GOING TO HEAR AN ITEM TONIGHT ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION, THEY WANT TO PUT IN BOAT STORAGE ALONG RUSSELL AND ... 218 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. AND THEY ARE PROUD OF THE FACT THAT THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE A SIX-FOOT-HIGH FENCE. AND 20 FEET OF TREES. THEY TALK ABOUT... YOU KNOW, IF MY I BUILT MY HOUSE THERE AND YOU SAY, WE ARE GOING TO BUFFER YOU WITH A SIX-FOOT HIGH FENCE, THE GUY... A MOTOR HOME IS 12 FEET TALL. GOOD SIZED BOAT ON A TRAILER IS ABOUT 12 FEET TALL. YOU HAVE ACCOMPLISHED NOTHING FOR ME EXCEPT TO DEGRADE THE PROPERTY VALUE OF MY HOME. I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE MORE EFFORT PUT IN ON BUFFERING TO ENSURE THE RESIDENTIAL ARE ADEQUATELY ISOLATED FROM THE COMMERCIAL AREAS AND WHAT THEY ARE DOING ON THAT SIDE. SOMETHING OTHER THAN THE SIX-FOOT HIGH PLASTIC FENCE AND TREES PLANTED EVERY 30 FEET WITH SOME SLUSHES SHRUBS UNDER IT. >> I CAN'T THANK YOU ENOUGH FOR BRINGING THAT UP, PETE. IF THERE IS ANYTHING THAT WE HAVE HEARD ON A REGULAR BASIS, FROM THE FOLKS IN THE AUDIENCE, AND PARTICULARLY, WITH NEW COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT, IT HAS BEEN THAT. THAT IS A HOT-BUTTON. SO WHEN YOU ARE BUILDING THIS AND LOOKING FOR CLARITY, I WOULD ASK THAT YOU TAKE THE POINT OF VIEW OF THE AVERAGE PERSON THAT COMES IN TO TALK TO US. ALL RIGHT? IF AFTER EIGHT YEARS, HE IS CONFESSING THAT THIS IS VOODOO. BELIEVE ME, IT IS A TO US A LOT OF TIMES. YOU CAN IMAGINE THE FRUSTRATION ON THE PART OF THE AVERAGE CITIZEN COMING IN HERE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE DEVIL IS GOING ON. MUCH LESS THE ACRONYMS AND HOW IT ALL PERTAINS TO THEM. THEY WALK OUT OF HERE FLUM OXED. THEY WALK OUT OF THE BOARD MEETING AND THEY ARE JUST AS FLUM MOCKED THERE. THANK YOU. ABSOLUTELY. THAT WOULD BE THE FIRST ONE, IF YOU HAD AN OVERARCHING [01:40:04] DIRECTION. THE SECOND ONE, GOING UP IS GREAT. WHERE IS THE INFRASTRUCTURE TO GO WITH IT? ALL RIGHT? NOW, I'M GOING TO TELL YOU, I CAME OUT OF THE LAST... THE LAST PLACE I LIVE WAS FAIRFAX COUNTY. THAT IS NORTHERN VIRGINIA. IF THERE WAS EVER A PLACE WHERE DEVELOPERS GOT WAY AHEAD OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE, THAT IS IT. TO THE POINT WHERE THE ROADS ARE SO CHOKED THAT THE EMERGENCY VEHICLES COULDN'T GET THROUGH. IN MANY OF THESE PLACES. WE DON'T WANT THAT. WHAT I SEE AFTER SEVERAL YEARS NOW ON THIS COMMISSION, IS THAT MORE OFTEN THAN NOT, THE INFRASTRUCTURE SEEMS TO FOLLOW INSTEAD OF LEAD. IF WE ARE GOING TO DO SOMETHING, WHERE IS THE MASTER PLAN THAT AT LEAST PUTS THE INFRASTRUCTURE AHEAD OR AT LEAST IN GOOD TIMING? BY THAT I ALSO MEAN THE SCHOOLS. THEY ARE PLAYING CATCH-UP TO TOO. RIGHT? I JUST CLOSE IT UP AND SAY SMART GROWTH. >> GREAT. >> THAT IS IT. >> THANK YOU. >> MAYOR? >> I HAVE BEEN ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR A LITTLE OVER FOUR YEARS. AND I WOULD LIKE TO THANK THE COUNTY COMMISSIONER FOR GIVING ME THE OPPORTUNITY TO SERVE. THIS... I THINK THAT WE HAVE A DEMOCRATIC PROCESS THAT RESPECTS THE CITIZENS THAT PARTICIPATE IN IT. AND THE CITIZENS ARE TREATED WITH RESPECT AND ARE ABLE TO PARTICIPATE. I THINK THAT IS SOMETHING WE SOMETIMES TAKE FOR GRANTED. I DON'T. IT HAS BEEN BROUGHT HOME TO ME AS I HAVE SAT IN THIS CHAIR AND PARTICIPATED IN THE PROCESS. AND YOU KNOW, WE STRUGGLING A LITTLE BIT TO SAY, WELL, WHAT ARE THE STRENGTHS THAT THE EXISTING ARTICLE 3 CODE WILL HAVE? >> I KIND OF HAVE TO LOOK AT IT GLOBALLY. THE WHOLE PROCESS. ONE OF THE GREATEST STRENGTHS IS THE PEOPLE WHO SERVE AND THE STAFF WHO SUPPORT ALL OF THIS AND TRY TO HELP THE CITIZENS NAVIGATE ALL OF THIS. I THINK THE DIRECTION THAT WE NEED TO GO IS WHAT YOU HAVE DONE WITH THE SIGN ORDINANCE. WITH ARTICLE 7. YOU SIMPLIFIED. BIG ON ORGANIZATION. MAKING IT EASIER TO NAVIGATE, CLARIFIED, AND I LIKE THE DRAWINGS. AND TABLES. THEY ARE A REALLY GOOD WAY TO GO. ONE THING THAT I THINK WOULD REALLY HELP IS IF WE HAD A GOOD STATEMENT OF INTENT THAT CLEARLY STATES WHAT THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN LAND USE AND ZONING, THAT WE COULD COPY AND GIVE OUT TO THE CITIZENS WHO COME BEFORE US. YOU KNOW, WHEN I BEGAN IN THIS ROLE, I ASKED FOR AND RECEIVED A COPY, A HARD COPY OF ARTICLE 3. AND IT WAS REALLY, REALLY HARD TO UNDERSTAND AND NAVIGATE. AND I REMEMBER ASKING THAT QUESTION. YOU KNOW, BECAUSE I WAS NEW TO THIS AREA. BUT I HEARD WHEN THE COMMISSIONER SAID PEOPLE COME IN HERE, AND WE ARE DEALING WITH LAND USE, AND THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT ZONING. WELL, I THINK THE PLACE TO START WITH THAT IS IN THE CODE AND MAKE IT VERY CLEAR. THEN WE CAN REPEAT THAT EVERY TIME WE HAVE A MEETING. BUT ANYHOW, I THINK, YOU KNOW, THAT WE HAVE A STRONG STAFF AND A GOOD PROCESS, AND YOU KNOW, THE ARTICLE KIND OF REMINDS ME OF A HOUSE THAT HAS BEEN BUILT ON TO OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN. AND IT JUST... I HAVE NOT, I HAVE NOT HAD A NEED TO LOOK AT ARTICLE P 7 BEFORE. BUT I FEEL LIKE AFTER JUST A FEW DAYS, TO LOOK AT IT AND GO THROUGH IT, I COULD NAVIGATE THAT. SO KEEP ON WITH. THAT I THINK THAT IS WHAT WE NEED. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> FIRST, I WOULD LIKE TO APOLOGIZE FOR SHOWING UP A LITTLE LATER. WORK KEPT ME A LITTLE LONGER THAN I HAD TO. KNOWING THAT THE SIGN ORDINANCE WAS BEING DISCUSSED AND RALPH WAS HERE, AND KNOWING ALL THE YEARS OF, YOU KNOW, RALPH COMPLAINING OF THE SIGN ORDINANCE, I KNEW THAT WOULD BE COVERED VERY WELL. I WANT TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT SOME OPPORTUNITIES HERE, MAYBE IMPROVEMENTS. ALL OF THE SUGGESTIONS THAT EVERYBODY HAS MADE SO FAR ARE REALLY GOOD. I WOULD LIKE TO JUST KEY ON A COUPLE OF THEM. I DO LIKE THE IDEA OF THE R.V. AND BOAT STORAGE BEING PART OF WHAT A DEVELOPER NEEDS TO PUT INTO A DEVELOPMENT. BECAUSE I THINK AS THE COUNTY CONTINUES TO GROW, WE ARE GOING TO HEAR MORE ABOUT WE NEED TO PARK OUR R.V.'S. WE NEED TO PARK OUR BOATS SOMEWHERE. I CAN'T REMEMBER WHO STATED IT OVER THERE, BUT IT JUST IS GOING TO BECOME MORE OF AN EYESORE. IT IS GOING TO BRING PROPERTY VALUES FOR SOME OF THE PEOPLE WHO ARE PURCHASING IN THE COUNTY DOWN. THAT IS NUMBER ONE. [01:45:01] WE ALWAYS TALK ABOUT AND WE ARE ALWAYS HEARING DEVELOPERS COMING AND TALKING ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING. YOU KNOW, JIM POINTED A REALLY GOOD POINT OUT. YOU KNOW, IF WE WANT TO GET PEOPLE TO COME INTO THE COUNTY THAT ARE GOING TO PROVIDE SERVICES IN THE COUNTY, IT IS IMPORTANT TO BE ABLE TO HAVE AFFORDABLE HOUSING. WE HAVE NO PARAMETERS FOR. THAT WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING THAT STATES WHAT IS AFFORDING HOUSING. EVERYBODY SAYS WE ARE GOING TO PUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN. IF YOU ARE GOING TO RENT A HOME TO SOMEBODY FOR $2,000 A MONTH AND THEY ARE CHECKING GARBAGE OR MOWING LAWNS OR DOING SOMETHING, I DON'T KNOW THAT IS GOING TO BE AFFORDABLE FOR THEM. WE HAVE TO FIND A WAY TO EITHER BY DOLLAR AMOUNT... AND I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THAT IS A NATIONWIDE NUMBER THAT COMES OUT FROM, YOU KNOW, SURVEYS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, OR IF WE HAVE THOSE TYPES OF NUMBERS WITHIN OUR OWN COUNTY TO FIND OUT, YOU KNOW, WHERE THOSE PRICE POINTS ARE. IF YOU ARE COMING IN AND ASKING US TO DO REZONING BECAUSE YOU WANT TO PUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN, WE WANT TO KNOW SPECIFICALLY IT IS GOING TO BE FOR. THIS AND WHERE IS THE MECHANISM THAT WE NEED TO DO TO ENFORCE THAT? THE COUNTY NEEDS TO... NOT US BUT THE COUNTY. HOW IS THE COUNTY GOING TO ENFORCE THAT? THEY COME IN AND THEY, LIKE, GIVE US THAT LITTLE SHUFFLE. WHERE YEAH, WE ARE GOING TO DO AFFORDABLE HOUSING. THEN THEY ARE BUILDING HOMES THAT ARE NO LONGER AFFORDABLE HOUSING. HOW DOES THE COUNTY ENFORCE THAT? THE OTHER THING WE ARE HAVING A PROBLEM WITH, AND KRISTEN ESPECIALLY OUT IN HER DISTRICT RIGHT NOW, I MEAN, THEY GUTTED, THEY GUTTED THAT IS AREA. SO FAR. I KNOW WE ARE HAVING FROM LAST MEETING, THE NOTES THAT CAME TO US FROM LANCE, FROM THE SCHOOL BOARD, THAT WE ARE HAVING, LIKE, A LOT OF CONCURRENCEY PROBLEMS. WE KEEP, YOU KNOW, ADDING MORE HOMES. WE KEEP ADDING MORE DEVELOPMENTS. THE SCHOOLS ARE WAY BEHIND. OKAY? THE AMOUNT OF CON CURRENCY ISSUES ARE NOT BEING ADDRESSED RIGHT NOW. IS THERE A WAY WE CAN ADD SOME SORT OF MORATORIUM LANGUAGE IN THERE THAT SAYS THAT, YOU KNOW, THE COUNTY CAN SHUT DOWN OR SLOW DOWN, WHATEVER, THE PROCESS UNTIL ALL OF THE SERVICES, NOT JUST THE SCHOOLS, BUT THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, WHAT ABOUT SANITATION, WHAT ABOUT THE PUBLIC WORKS... YOU KNOW, AS THESE AREAS, THERE ARE THOUSANDS OF HOMES OUT THERE. I MEAN, ARE WE PREPARED FOR THAT RIGHT NOW ON A COUNTY LEVEL? WE HAVE TO HAVE A MORATORIUM OR SOMETHING PUT IN PLACE THAT IS GOING TO SLOW THAT DOWN UNTIL WE CAN CATCH THAT UP. BECAUSE IF NOT, THERE IS GOING TO BE ALL KINDS OF CHAOS. I FEEL THERE IS GOING TO BE CHAOS. THE LAST PART THAT I DO WANT TO MENTION IS AS THIS COUNTY CONTINUES TO GROW AND WE HAVE SO MUCH LAND STILL AVAILABLE DOWN IN THE SOUTHERN PART OF THE COUNTY DOWN IN THE 17 CORRIDOR, I'M SURE THAT COMPANIES ARE GOING TO WANT TO COME IN, AND START DOING SOME INDUSTRY HERE. I KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, NOT LONG AGO, WE DID SOME WORK FOR FLORIDA POWER AND LIGHT. DOWN THERE. THE SOLAR PANELS- WHATNOT. I'M SURE THERE ARE OTHER COMPANIES THAT WILL COME. IN I DON'T WANT US TO GET BACK INTO THIS... I KNOW THIS IS A BAD WORD I'M GOING TO SAY RIGHT NOW. I DON'T WANT THE COUNTY TO GET BACK INTO A SOUL LIGHT SITUATION. WHERE WE HAVE A COMPANY THAT COMES IN AND DESTROYS AN AREA, POLLUTES IT TO A POINT WHERE IT NEEDS A SUPER CLEAN-UP, AND THE SUPER CLEAN-UPS AREN'T BEING DONE. WE HAVE TO HAVE SOME KIND OF MECHANISM IN THERE ON THE COMMERCIAL SIDE TO PREVENT COMPANIES THAT ARE POLLUTERS TO COME IN, UNLESS THEY HAVE A PROVEN WAY OF BEING ABLE TO CLEAN UP WHATEVER IT IS THAT THEY DO ON THE ONSET. RIGHT? FROM WHEN THEY ARE DOING THEIR MANUFACTURING. I THINK THAT IS REALLY ALL I HAVE. >> OKAY. BILL? YEAH. CAN YOU DO IT IN FIVE MINUTES? >> YOU HAVE TEN. YOU HAVE TEN. >> THERE IS A TON TO UNPACK HERE. YEAH. I WILL BE BRIEF. I DO WANT TO HIT ON A FEW KEY POINTS. I'LL HAVE MY CLOSING COMMENT. THE STRENGTHS, SOME OF THE STRENGTHS ARE... MARY HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD. IT IS A DELIBERATIVE PROCESS OPEN TO PARTICIPATION. UNFORTUNATELY, WE DON'T GET A TON OF PARTICIPATION. BUT IT IS OPEN TO THAT PARITY PAITION. IT IS MULTI-STEP. YOU COME TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION BEFORE IT GOES TO THE BOARD. ALLOWS THE VETTING. THAT IS A STRENGTH. IN PARTICULAR, I WOULD LIKE TO COMMENT ON THE CITIZENS ADVISORY COMMITTEES. I WOULD SAY SINGLE-HANDEDLY IS RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT A GREAT DEVELOPMENT IT IS. I WAS GLAD THAT THE CAC AND LAKE ASBURY HAS STOOD UP AND IS COMMENTING ON SOME STUFF THAT IS ON TODAY'S AGENDA. I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THE MIDDLEBURG CIVIC ASSOCIATION TO FIND SOME VOLUNTEERS. [01:50:02] WE ARE ACTIVELY RECRUITING THEM. THAT IS A STRENGTH. THAT NEEDS TO BE ENCOURAGED. THOSE ARE SOME OF THE STRENGTHS. THE ADU'S ARE A STRENGTH. I NOTICED THE LANGUAGE SAYS IT IS TO PROMOTE WORKFORCE HOUSING. YOU DON'T WANT TO LIMIT IT. WE MADE ALL KINDS OF NOTES. LISTENING TO PEOPLE TALK. IT MAY BE RANDOM HERE. YES. WE MAY BE LEAVING THIS STUFF FOR FUTURE COMMISSIONERS. WE CAN THANK PAST COMMISSIONER FOR PUTTING US IN THIS PREDICAMENT RIGHT NOW. I'M A VETERAN OF THE DEVELOPMENT INDUSTRY FOR SOME 30-ODD YEARS. I'M A VETERAN ACTIVIST. IN ZONING. I WAS INVOLVED IN THE ORIGINAL 1990, I THINK, IT WAS, CONFERENCE WHEN COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. I HAVE BEEN INVOLVED WITH THIS SINCE THEN. I DON'T NECESSARILY OPINIONS... INAGREE WITH THE COMMISSIONER. QUALITY IS WHAT THIS SHOULD BE ABOUT. I DO FIND IT IRONIC THAT IN A ROOM FULL OF REPUBLICANS THAT WE ARE VOLKING FOR STOPPING THE MARKET. ... ADVOCATING FOR STOPPING THE MARKET. PEOPLE WILL COME TO CLAY COUNTY. IT HAS BEEN GROWING RAPIDLY. IT IS A PLACE TO LIVE, A GREAT PLACE TO LIVE. GREAT SCHOOLS. IF THERE IS ANYBODY TO BLAME FOR THE DEVELOPMENT, AGAIN, THE PREVIOUS COUNTY COMMISSION APPROVED THE CURRENT DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS. WE DON'T NEED TO LOOK TOO FAR TO FIND OUT WHY THEY ARE LIKE THAT. DEVELOPERS AND BUILDERS ARE JUST LIKE CHIROPRACTORS AND ATTORNEYS AND EVERYBODY ELSE. THEY ARE BUSINESSPEOPLE. THEY ARE GOING TO OPERATE IN A REGULATORY ENVIRONMENT THAT WE PROVIDE. I PERSONALLY AM IN FAVOR OF STRONG REGULATION. I LIKE REGULATION. I DISLIKE SIGNS. I MAY NOT BE THE TYPICAL BUILDER. I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH REGULATION. I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH TYING DEVELOPMENT TO INFRASTRUCTURE. IT SHOULD BE THAT WAY. WE HAVE BEEN SAYING THAT FOR DECADES. WHO DO WE GET TO THANK FOR THE PREDICAMENT THAT WE ARE IN? MIXED USE, I'M IN FAVOR OF MIXED USE. YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T HAVE THESE LITTLE COOKIE-CUTTER DEVELOPMENTS ALL THE TIME. I LIKE THE IDEA OF SOME STUFF WHERE YOU HAVE COMMERCIAL DOWN BELOW AND RESIDENTIAL ABOVE. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME MORE OF HOW YOU ENCOURAGE THAT. AGAIN, I WANT TO REMIND EVERYBODY, THIS IS ALL DRIVEN BY THE MARKET. PEOPLE ARE ONLY GOING TO BUY... CUSTOMERS COME AND BUY WHAT THEY WANT. EVERYBODY WANTS TO TALK ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING. I LIVE IN THIS WORLD. I KNOW WHAT IT IS ALL ABOUT. EVERY TIME YOU PUT ANOTHER REGULATION, YOU MAKE THE LOT THIS MUCH DEEPER, SET ASIDE THIS FOR R.V. PARKING AND WHATEVER, OF THE LOT WHICH ENDS UP IN THE PRICE OF THE HOME. JUST REMEMBER, AGAIN, I KNOW THESE ARE DIFFICULT ISSUES. I WILL SAY THESE ARE VERY DIFFICULT ISSUES. AND I'M HAPPY TO BE PART OF THE PROCESS. I WOULD LOVE TO TRY TO FIND SOME SOLUTIONS FOR IT. BUT YOU CAN'T SAY LET'S HAVE TINY HOMES. ARE YOU GOING TO PUT THEM ON 40-FOOT LOTS? TINY HOMES ON LITTLE TRAILERS? WE DON'T WANT MOBILE HOMES. WE WANT TINY HOMES ON LITTLE TRAILERS. YOU KNOW, TO ME, SOMETIMES I JUST HEAR MIXED MESSAGES COMING FROM ALL OF IT. 218 IS MY PARTICULAR AREA OF CONCERN. I HAVE LIVED OUT THERE FOR OVER 30 YEARS. AND IT IS GOING TO BE FOUR-LANED SOON. I'M IN FAVOR OF THE MONUMENT SIGNS. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE CONSISTENT DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY. IF IT IS GOOD ENOUGH FOR LAKE ASBURY, IT IS GOOD ENOUGH FOR CLAY HILL. I DON'T SEE WHY THERE SHOULD BE DIFFERENT STANDARDS FOR DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE COUNTY. 218, THE OUTSIDE STORAGE IS WHAT I'M REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT. THE COMMISSIONER TALKED ABOUT THE SEMIS. THERE IS A PLACE THAT HAS A SEMI STORAGE. THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO SCREENING WHATSOEVER. WE HAVE... I MEAN, THERE ARE MULTIPLE PLIL PLACE THAT IS TURN INTO JUNK YARDS. THAT IS WHAT THEY TURN INTO. WHAT DO YOU DO? WE CAN'T ENFORCE... HOW ARE WE GOING TO ENFORCE ALL THIS STUFF? THERE IS ONE IN PARTICULAR WHERE THE GUY HAS A VAN, A BIG INDUSTRIAL-SIZED VAN THAT HE PARKS IN THE RIGHT-OF-WAY. IT HAS BEEN THERE FOR OVER A YEAR. IF WE CAN'T MAKE THAT GUY CHANGE, HOW ARE WE GOING TO ENFORCE THIS OTHER STUFF? THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME ACKNOWLEDGMENT OF THE ENFORCEMENT. PCD'S ARE GREAT. I DO LIKE PCD'S. I GUESS THAT IS PROBABLY ABOUT IT. OH, FLEXIBILITY, FLEXIBILITY, FLEXIBILITY. NO. I'M GOING TO SAY IT. FLEXIBILITY. TREES... I WAS ON THE GROUP THAT [01:55:01] FORMED THE FIRST TREE ORDINANCE IN CLAY COUNTY. IT TOOK US OVER THREE YEARS FROM STARTING TO TALK ABOUT IT TO CREATE AN ORDINANCE. YOU HAVE TO CLEAR-OUT CUT BUT YOU HAVE TO PUT TREES BACK IN PLACE. THAT IS IT. I'M DONE. >> OKAY. THREE MINUTES. >> RIGHT ON TIME. ALL RIGHT. WELL, THANK YOU GUYS. THIS WAS ALL VERY HELPFUL. YOU KNOW, WE WILL BE SCHEDULING DATES FOR UPCOMING HEARINGS AND WORKSHOPS. YOU ARE ALL INVITED TO... YOU KNOW, OF COURSE, PARTICIPATE IN THE PUBLIC WORKSHOPS AS WELL AS WE START TO DIG INTO ARTICLE 3. AND MAKE THESE CHANGES. WE WOULD LOVE TO HEAR CONTINUED FEEDBACK. >> ANGELA, THERE WAS ONE OTHER THING. I HAD A NOTE ON IT. OUR CODE STILL OCCASIONALLY HAS A REFERENCE HERE AND THERE TO ORDINANCE 87-SOMETHING, I THINK IT IS. BEFORE WE HAD THE LDR'S, THAT WAS BASICALLY THE ORDINANCE THAT HAD ALL THE ZONING IN IT. THERE SHOULDN'T BE ANY REFERENCES... I KNOW YOU CAN PRODUCE THAT DOCUMENT. YOU WILL SEE IT WHEN YOU GUYS GO THROUGH IT. IT REFERS BACK TO THIS ORDINANCE FROM, LIKE, 82, 85, 87. SOMEWHERE IN THERE. ANY REFERENCES TO THAT NEED TO GO AWAY. >> ALL RIGHT. WELL, THANK YOU ALL. ENJOY YOUR EVENING. >> I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT I'LL TAKE FULL RESPONSIBILITY FOR ANY MISTAKES WE MADE IN THE PAST. (LAUGHTER) I'M LEAVING IN A COUPLE OF MONTHS. (LAUGHTER) BUT IT IS UP TO YOU GUYS TO FIX THIS FROM HERE ON OUT. THIS IS REALLY EXCITING STUFF RIGHT NOW. SO LET'S... >> WELL, I'M GLAD THAT WE HAVE DECIDED TO TRY TO FIX THIS, FINALLY. BECAUSE I HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN THIS FOR MOST OF 15-18 YEARS. AND WE STILL TALK ABOUT THE SAME THINGS THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT BACK THEN. SO LET'S SEE WHAT WE CAN * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.