[Pledge of Allegiance]
[Call to Order]
[1. Approval of Minutes]
[1. Public Hearing to consider LDC-2022-12 to add RV and Boat Storage as a conditional use in LA RC. (D. Selig)]
[7. Florida Recreation Development Assistance Program Grant Application Discussion]
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CONNECT. I DON'T KNOW IF THE K IS
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PRONOUNCED OR NOT. >> I REALLY DIDN'T COME HERE
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EXPECTING TO REPRESENT THE CITIZENS ADVISORY COMMITTEE.[00:15:39]
I JUST HAD MY OWN THOUGHTS ON IT.ONE THING I WANTED TO CLARIFY FOR THE PUBLIC, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE A GROUP OF PEOPLE WORKING FOR US TO RESEARCH AND FIGURE THINGS OUT. WE GET THE STUFF ON THE AGENDA AND HAVE TO LOOK AT IT AND FIGURE IT OUT.
NORMALLY, WE MEET ON IT, TO DISCUSS IT.
THIS PARTICULAR ITEM IS ODD BALL.
THERE WAS NOT TIME FOR US TO ACTUALLY SEE IT AT A MEETING.
I OWN, I PUT IN THE E-MAILS SHOULD PUT IN YOUR PACKAGE, I HAD QUESTIONS I WANTED TO DISCUSS, MAINLY ABOUT LIGHTING.
NONE OF THE STUFF THAT WAS ON THE DOCKET ADDRESSED ANYTHING ABOUT LIGHTING. AND, YOU KNOW, THESE TYPE OF FACILITIES ARE NOT IN RURAL COMMUNITIES FOR A REASON.
I'M NOT SURE OF THE REASON BUT I COULD IMAGINE, A LOT OF PEOPLE LIKE MYSELF THAT LIVE IN A RURAL COMMUNITY, WE HAVE ENOUGH LAND TO STORE, OWN, OUR OWN BOAT AND RV IF OUR OWN PROPERTY.
AND I COULD SEE IN THE MASTER PLANNED COMMUNITY, TRACK HOMES, THEY ARE ALLOWED TO BUILD IN A 50 FOOT LOT AND YOU CAN'T FIT TWO CARS IN THE DRIVEWAY. I WOULD SUPPORT, SOMEBODY COME TO A TEXT, AND LET'S MAKE IT DEVELOP IT IN THEIR COMMUNITY AND NOT LET THE ASSOCIATION THAT'S CREATED, DETERMINE, NOW YOU HAVE TO STORE YOUR BOATS AND EVERYTHING ELSEWHERE ELSE AND LET THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN RURAL COMMUNITY STORED IN OUR COMMUNITY. TO ME, THAT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME ON THAT. .
>> ANY QUESTIONS. >> USUALLY, WE DON'T RESPOND.
WE TAKE THE COMMENT. YOU MENTION THE LIGHTING.
AND THE STANDARD LIGHTING STANDARDS WILL APPLY.
THERE'S A LARGER LIGHTING STANDARD, THAT'S PART OF THE MASTER PLAN THAT WOULD APPLY WITH ANY PROPERTY.
>> ONE OF MY POINTS WAS, AND IT'S KIND OF A BAD POINT, THE BOARD COUNTY COMMISSIONER ACTUALLY OWNS THE PROPERTY.
IF YOU WANT TO GO LOOK AT AWFUL LIGHTING, GO TO NIGHTS MARINA.
YOU COULD SEE THAT FROM CLEAR JOHN'S COUNTY.
AND I DON'T WANT MY NEIGHBOR TO DECIDE, THAT HEY, I HAVE THREE ACRES. I'M GOING TO PUT UP AN RV BOAT STORAGE IN YOUR HOUSE AND YOU GET TO LOOK AT IT ALL DAY LONG.
WHETHER YOU SCREEN IT OR NOT, IT IS WHAT IT IS.
IT IS NOT IN OUR COMMUNITY FOR A REASON.
THANK YOU. >> DOES ANYBODY ELSE, I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER CARDS FOR THE ITEM.
GIVE US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, PLEASE.
>> YES COLLIN GROTH, 2905 LAKE PAFINO.
WE HAVE NOT HAD A MEETING YET SINCE I'VE BEEN APPOINTED.
COUPLE OF THINGS, I DO AGREE WITH THAT.
THERE'S A REASON WHY THIS ZONING AND LAND USE IS IN PLACE.
IT TOOK SEVERAL YEARS, FOR A LOT OF CITIZENS IN THE MASTER COUNTY TO DEVELOP THIS MASTER PLAN. THIS TYPE OF ZONING RULES WAS PUT IN THERE FOR A REASON. IT'S VERY CLEAR WHAT IT SAYS.
DEVELOPMENTS WITHIN THE CATEGORY, ARE SINGLSINGLIZED.
AND THERE'S SEVERAL SITES WITHIN THE CATEGORY THAT COULD QUALIFY FOR THIS. IT'S NOT AN APPROPRIATE USE.
THERE'S A LOT OF ZONING CATEGORIES WHERE IT'S ALLOWED.
THIS PARTICULAR CATEGORY IS FOR AGRICULTURAL USE, RURAL USE.
ALSO, I DESIGN OVER A DOZEN BOAT STORAGE.
THERE ARE COMMERCIAL SITES. WITH THE STANDARDS, THEY ARE
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MAKING IT MORE OF A COMMERCIAL SITE.YOU HAVE TO MEET THE COMMERCIAL DRIVEWAY, AND ENTRANCES STANDARDS. YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE SECURITY LIGHTING, CAMERAS, FENCING. THOSE ARE ALL COMMERCIAL BUFFERS THERE'S PLENTY OF PLACES FOR IT. UNFORTUNATELY, REASON PEOPLE WANT IT IN HERE, THE LAND IS CHEAPER AND IT'S ONLY FOR RESIDENTIAL. THERE'S LAND OUT THERE.
THIS IS NOT THE APPROPRIATE ZONING OR CATEGORY.
ONE OF THE OPTIONS, WE WERE NOT ABLE TO MEET AS AN ADVISORY BOARD. WE WERE NOT ALLOWED.
WE DID, BECAUSE OF SUCH, WE CAN'T TALK TO EACH OTHER.
WE ARENOT ABLE TO ASK THE APPLICANT QUESTIONS.
WE WERE NOT ABLE TO ASK QUESTIONS, WHY IS STAFF NOT RECOMMENDING THIS. SOME OF THE QUESTIONS, WE PROBABLY SHOULD ASK IN THE MEETING.
ONE OF THE OPTIONS, REFER IT BACK AND COME BACK TO YOU.
YOU COULD DO THAT. I THINK I'M A CITIZEN IN THE AREA. I'M ACTUALLY IN THE RESIDENTS IS IN THIS CATEGORY. I WOULD HIGHLY RECOMMEND THAT YOU RECOMMEND, DENIAL FOR THIS PROJECT.
THANKS. >> I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION.
>> ONE OF THE COMMISSIONS DID HAVE A QUESTION.
>> IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING, THE CAC, DID NOT FORMALLY MEET ON THE I'LL, AM I INTERPRETING THAT CORRECTLY.
WE WERE NOT ABLE TO DISCUSS IT WITH EACH OTHER.
NOR WERE THEY ABLE TO ASK QUESTIONS.
I BELIEVE THE RECOMMENDATION WAS DIFFERENT IF THEY DID MEET.
IT'S VERY DIFFICULT. THESE ARE LARGE PACKAGES.
THERE WAS A LOT THAT WASN'T THERE.
ONE WAS LIGHTING. ONE WAS ENTRANCE AND ACCESS.
IT IS TRUE, THESE ARE NOT HIGH VOLUME TRAFFIC GENERATORS.
THEY ARE VERY LOUD TRAFFIC GENERATORS.
JUST BECAUSE YOU ONLY HAVE 5-7 TRIPS A DAY, IN THE WEEKEND, YOU MAY HAVE 100. SOME OF THE BIG BOATS AND RVS.
YOU'RE IN RURAL ZONING AREAS. THAT'S WHAT THEY ARE ASKING FOR.
IN MY OPINION, IF THIS PIECE OF LAND IS SUITED FOR IT, THEY SHOULD BE ASKING FOR LAND USE AND ZONING CHANGE.
PUT IT IN A CATEGORY THAT IT'S ALLOWED.
THE PUBLIC AROUND IT. THIS PARTICULAR SITE AND THE OTHER TWO SITES, THEY ARE SURROUNDED BY RURAL HOUSES WHERE PEOPLE LIVE. IF THE BOARD COULD MEET.
AND MAYBE IT'S A GOOD PROJECT. I CAN'T TELL YOU, BASED ON THE INFORMATION WE GOT. I THINK IT'S THE WRONG TIME OF USE IN THIS KIND OF ZONING AND ZONING CATEGORY.
>> THANK YOU. >> SORRY, ANY OTHERS BEFORE I
WALK AWAY. >> ANYONE ELSE WANT TO COMMENT ON THIS ONE? I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND BRING IT BACK FOR DISCUSSION AND OR A MOTION.
>> I HAVE A QUESTION. >> GO AHEAD.
DIDN'T SEVERAL MONTHS, WOULD DESIGNATE CERTAIN AREAS FOR RV
AND BOAT STORAGE ALREADY? >> I DON'T RECALL THAT, DID WE.
>> IS THIS IN CONJUNCTION WITH THAT, OR IS THIS IN ADDITION TO THAT, DO YOU KNOW? WE'RE ADDING MORE NOW.
>> AT THE VILLAGE CENTER, THEY WERE ABLE TO GO TO --
>> THAT'S WHAT I KIND OF REMEMBER.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE I DON'T MISQUOTE ANYTHING.
. >> AND IT'S THE VILLAGE CENTERS.
THERE'S SEVERAL OF THEM. >> THERE'S SIX AREAS, THAT WE ALREADY HAD DESIGNATED, YOU KNOW FOR THIS PURPOSE.
I LOOK AT THIS AS, YOU KNOW, I KIND OF TEND TO AGREE, WE'RE CHOPPING OUT SMALLER AREAS NOW. WHAT PREVENTS THE NEXT PERSON FROM COMING IN, FROM TAKING ANOTHER CHUNK.
ALL OF A SUDDEN, WE'RE GOING FROM 6-9, 15, WHERE DOES IT END.
. >> CITIZEN ADVISORY COMMITTEE AND THE FACT, THEY DIDN'T HAVE A CHANCE TO FORMERLY MEET, CIRCUMVENTS THE PROCESS. THE FIRST AND SECOND.
AND I'M NOT SURE IF THE CITIZEN ADVISORY COMMITTEE HAS THOSE SIX AREAS. I WOULD BE ASKED THEY BE GIVEN THOSE AREAS SO THEY CAN HAVE A FORMED DISCUSSION AS WELL.
>> >> I GOT THE SAME CONCERNS THAT MS. NORTON HAS. IF YOU LOOK AT THE ZONING CATEGORY AND THE PLANNING ZONING BOOK FOR RV AND BOAT STORAGE, IF
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WE ALLOW THIS, IT'S A PRETTY BROAD BRUSH, THEY WILL BE ABLE TO PUT THESE THINGS ANYWHERE. THERE'S NO LIMIT, HOW MANY THEY CAN PUT THERE. I HAVE CONCERNS THAT THE CAC DIDN'T HAVE A CHANCE TO REVIEW THIS AS A GROUP.THE CAC HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO INTERFACE WITH THE PUBLIC ON THIS THING, TO GET THEIR INPUT AND IN ORDER TO BRING IT TO A PLANNING COMMISSION, SO WE CAN MAKE THE RIGHT DECISION AS FAR AS THIS GOES. I THINK JUST TO PLUG THIS IN, BY A WAY TYPE OF THING, IS A WRONG WAY TO DO TO THE COMMUNITY.
THE WAY THAT THE REGULATION FOR RV AND BOAT STORAGE IS, IT COULD BE ON MAIN FEEDERS. AND IT COULD BE ON SMALL ROADS THAT FEED THE ROAD FEEDERS AS WELL AS THE HIGHWAYS.
YOU COULD BE IN A RESIDENTIAL AREA AND TWO DOORS DOWN, SOMEBODY WANTS TO PUT IN BOAT STORAGE.
THAT'S NOT RIGHT. >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
JUST TWO QUICK THINGS. THE QUESTION IS FOR YOU.
I THOUGHT DURING STAFF'S PRESENTATION, THERE WAS A VOTE.
THE VOTE WAS A 6-4 VOTE. DID I WRITE THAT WRONG?
>> THAT WAS A CITIZENS ADVISORY >> YES.
>> MY UNDERSTANDING, THAT WAS E-MAIL OR PHONE.
>> LET ME CLARIFY WHAT IT WAS. THEY DIDN'T ACTUALLY MEET.
DODIE SENT AN E-MAIL PACKAGE TO ALL OF THEM, ASKED THEM TO LOOK AT IT AND JUST SEND BACK TO HER WHETHER THEY THOUGHT IT WAS A GOOD IDEA OR BAD IDEA. THERE WAS NO DISCUSSION.
THERE WAS NO OPPORTUNITY FOR INTERACTION BECAUSE OF SUNSHINE, THEY CAN'T TALK TO EACH OTHER OUTSIDE OF NOTICE MEETING.
IT'S QUESTIONABLE. I THINK THAT'S WHAT THE GENTLEMAN WAS SAYING. IT WAS REALLY A MEETING.
IT SOUNDED LIKE THERE WAS A VOTE.
MY QUESTION, IT WAS A VOTE. IF THERE WAS IN PERSON, THERE WAS A DISCUSSION, IN THE SUNSHINE, IT WAS MY QUESTION.
>> THE ITEMS, NORMALLY, THE WAY REGULATIONS ARE SET UP, THE CDC IS HERE. LAND USE CHANGES AND LAND USE CHANGES. THEY DON'T HEAR TEXT CHANGES.
STAFF TALKED ABOUT THIS AFTER THE APPLICATION.
IF THE ZONING IN THE APPLICATION IS ONLY IN THE MASTER PLANNED, WHERE, THE CITIZEN ADVISORY COMMITTEE WOULD HAVE THAT EXTRA KNOWLEDGE, RIGHT, THEN IT MAKES SENSE TO TAKE TEXT AMENDMENTS, AND AGAIN, THAT ONLY APPLIED TO THE DISTRICT THAT'S IN THE MASTER PLAN TO THE CITIZEN ADVISORY COMMITTEE.
BECAUSE IT WAS AFTER, YOU KNOW, THE APPLICATION CAME IN AND THE MEETING HAD BEEN CANCELLED, THE INPERSON MEETING, WE DECIDED, WE WILL TRY TO KIND OF MEET IN THE MIDDLE AND NOT PUT IT OFF BECAUSE THE C.A.C. WOULD NOT NORMALLY HEAR IT.
WE WANTED THEM TO HAVE A CHANCE TO WEIGH IN.
AND NOT HOLD UP THE APPLICANT AT THE SAME TIME.
SO WE SENT IT OUT AS AN E-MAIL TO TRY TO SAY, YOU KNOW, HERE'S ALL THE INFORMATION AND PLEASE, YOU KNOW, VOTE.
GIVE US YOUR THOUGHTS AND FEEDBACK SO WE CAN BRING IT BACK TO YOU. NO, IT'S NOT A PERFECT SYSTEM BUT IT'S AN UNUSUAL CIRCUMSTANCE AND IT WON'T HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE WHEN THIS COMES UP AGAIN, WE WILL SEND IT TO A REGULAR MEETING. THEY WILL HAVE IT FACE TO FACE.
>> THE NEXT QUESTION, DO WE KNOW WHEN THE NEXT C.A.C. MEETING IS.
>> IT'S NEXT WEEK, ACTUALLY. NEXT WEEK ON THE 11TH.
>> I SHARE A SIMILAR CONCERN. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO HAVE A PUBLIC INPUT. I LIKE THE IDEA OF A LAND USE, MORE THAN A BRUSH STROKE. IT TAKES A LITTLE BIT, IT TAKES A LOT OF THE CONTROL FROM THE WAY THE ABILITY TO DO SOME REAL I SHARE THAT THOUGHT. THANK YOU.
>> ANYONE ELSE. >> IT REMINDS ME, SOMETHING WE HAD A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO. IT DIDN'T GO THROUGH FOR THE SPECIFIC REASON, THAT WE DIDN'T WANT TO GIVE THE BRUSH STROKE OUT. SO, I TEND TO AGREE WITH THE GENTLEMAN, ALL THREE OF THEM WITH THEIR COMMENTS AS WELL.
>> AND WRITING DOWN MY COMMENTS, TOO.
I BELIEVE THAT THIS IS A LITTLE BIT OF A BROAD BRUSH, WHEN YOU LOOK AT ALL THE PROPERTY, THAT IS WE'RE OPENING UP FOR THIS.
I'D LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING MORE SURGICAL IN THERE, THAT WE CAN
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DO. NOT SURE IF THIS IS NECESSARILY.THE OTHER PROBLEM OF TEXT AMENDMENTS AND I THINK THIS IS WHAT YOU MAY BE REFERRING TO, JOE.
THE WAY THEY ARE ADVISED. GUARANTEE YOU, NO ONE THAT LIVES AROUND THE PARCELS THAT ARE CALLED IN, HAVE NO IDEA, THIS IS BEING TALKED ABOUT. THIS IS SOMETHING, I'M NOT SURE, THIS IS BIGGER THAN THIS ONE BIG ZONING.
IN THE COURSE OF THE L.D.R. REWRITE, I THINK IF THERE'S SOMETHING WE CAN PUT IN THERE TO HELP WITH THAT.
ONCE WE GET THE NOTICES ON THE WEBSITE, THAT MAY HELP SOME.
>> I HAVE A COMMENT. >> OKAY, GO AHEAD.
>>ND AN I JUST LIKE TO COMMEND STAFF FOR GETTING IT TO THE C.A.C., EVEN THOUGH IT DIDN'T RESULT IN AN ACTUAL MEETING, BUT IT WASN'T REQUIRD TECHNICALLY REQUIRED AND YOU DID THAT AND I ADMIRE THE SPIRIT AND APPRECIATE IT.
THAT'S WHY WE HAVE FOLKS HERE TON
TONIGHT. >> ONE OF THE THINGS AND YOU GUYS KNOW THIS, THAT'S KIND OF AN ISSUE WITH ME PERSONALLY IS THE APPLICANT POINTED OUT THAT THE H.O.A.'S AND I PREVENT VOTES IN THE SUBDIVISIONS AND I THINK THAT'S THE REAL PROBLEM.
I SAID THAT OVER AND OVER AGAIN OVER THE YEARS.
WE OUGHT TO HAVE L.D.R.'S, REQUIREMENTS, SPACE DEVELOPMENT FOR THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE TO EITHER PARK IN THEIR YARDS.
IF THEY DON'T WANT TO DO THAT AND IT'S PRETTY NARROW IN THEIR LOT, THERE'S SOME SPACE PROVIDED TO AT LEAST STORE SOME OF THE THINGS. BEFORE I ASK FOR A VOTE, I AM GOING, IF THAT'S ALL RIGHT WITH EVERYBODY, I WILL ASK THE APPLICANT, GIVE IT A CHANCE TO GO TO CRC AND SO ON.
DOES ANYBODY OBJECT TO THAT? >> NO.
>> COULD I GET AN APPLICANT TO COME BACK UP.
BEFORE WE GET A VOTE, I WOULD SEE IF YOU WOULD BE AVAILABLE TO GET A CONTINUATION ON THE ITEM NEXT MONTH.
THAT WILL GIVE YOU AN OPPORTUNITY TO MEET WITH C.A.C.
IN LAKE ASBURY, AND TO LOOK AND SEE IF THERE'S A SURGICAL WAY TO
DO THIS. >> I WOULD MUCH RATHER HAVE A CONTINUEIANS. DODIE KNOWS THIS, SHE SENT ME AN E-MAIL. OBVIOUSLY, WE WOULD HAVE GONE TO THE C.A.C. IF THAT'S WHAT WE WERE TOLD TO DO.
AND I -- >> AND WE CAN TAKE A VOTE TONIGHT, IF YOU WANT AND SEND OUR RECOMMENDATION OR IF YOU'RE OKAY WITH IT, WE'LL CONTINUE TO THE NEXT MONTH.
>> WE OBVIOUSLY -- MR. WIGGINS, NAME AND ADDRESS.
>> AND IN THE HEART OF LAKE ASBURY.
I CAME HERE LAST YEAR. THE ONLY OTHER PLACE TO PUT THIS IS IN VILLAGE CENTER. THE PROBLEM, YOU HAVE LIMITED VILLAGE CENTER AREAS AND NOT EVERY DEVELOPER, IT'S NOT QUITE AS PROFITABLE, AS OTHER THINGS YOU COULD PUT IN VILLAGE CENTER.
THAT FORCED US, RIGHT. WE WERE IN THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ROADS. OURS DIDN'T APPROVE THE VILLAGE CENTER. THAT FORCED US IN STAFF TO SEE WHAT WE CAN DO. THIS IS WHAT WE RECOMMENDED.
THE SURGICAL WOULD BE GREAT. THAT'S CONSIDERED BY SOME PEOPLE, AS SPOT ZONING. WE'RE KIND OF PUSHING AGAINST STUFF, TRYING TO MAKE STUFF HAPPEN.
IDEALLY, IT'S GREAT TO HAVE BOAT AND RV STORAGE HOW DO YOU SIT THAT MUCH PROPERTY ASIDE FOR THAT? NOT EVERYBODY IS GOING TO DO IT. THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE THE THIRD PARTY PLACES TO DO THIS TYPE OF THING.
AND ONE LAST THING, IF I COULD. WE'RE WILLING TO WORK WITH STAFF AND THE COMMUNITY. I DON'T BLAME THE COMMUNITY.
THIS WAS LAST MINUTE AND PUT US IN A BIND AS WELL.
CONSISTENCY FROM THE GOVERNMENT, SHOULD BE GOOD, SO WE CAN ALL SPEAK ON THIS. WE CAN WORK TO PROVIDE, YOU KNOW, BETTER, THE LIGHTING AND THE SCREENING AND THAT TYPE OF THING. THE FACT IS, IT'S NEEDED IN LAKE ASBURY. IT'S THE FASTEST GROWING AREA.
WE HAVE THOUSANDS OF HOMES COMING IN.
IT'S SOMETHING TO MEET WHAT THE CITIZENS NEED.
>> SO THE QUESTION, WOULD YOU BE OKAY WITH A CONTINUEIANS?
>> YEAH. >> AND WE'LL SEE YOU NEXT MONTH,
PROBABLY. >> IF THERE'S, THEY WANT TO INCREASE THE ACREAGE, OR WHATEVER, SO IT LIMITS IT, WE'LL
WORK WITH THAT. >> BEFORE YOU DO, COULD I JUST DOUBLE CHECK? IT'S A TIMING ISSUE.
IF I COULD ASK COURTNEY A MATTER.
I NEED TO KNOW ABOUT THE LEGAL ADVERTISING.
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I DON'T KNOW. THE C.A.C. MEETS NEXT WEEK.I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN GET A LEGAL ADVISEMENT ON THAT.
IT WOULD HAVE TO BE A SEPTEMBER MEETING BEFORE IT IS HEARD BY THE C.A.C. WHAT'S THE TIME FRAME AS FAR AS
ADVERTISING THE C.A.C. MEETINGS? >> HAVE IT ADVISED --
>> THE ITEM --. >> NEVER BEEN SEEN.
>> LET HER COME UP TO THE MIC, SO SHE CAN GET ON THE RECORDING.
>> DID YOU GET THE RECORDING. >> THE ADVERTISING FOR THE
C.A.C. MEETING? >> THIS ITEM WAS NOT ON THAT
>> WHEN YOU NORMALLY ADVISE AS A GENERAL MEETING OR DO YOU HAVE
IT LIST GENERAL ITEMS. >> KELLY ADVISES THE MEETING ITSELF, BUT THE ITEMS ARE USUALLY ADVISED AS A MEETING ON
THIS MEETING. >> IT NEVER REFERENCES AS A CDC
MEETING. >> I THINK YOUR CONCERN, IF THEY CONTINUE, IT WILL BE CONTINUED UNTIL THE NEXT PLANNING MEETING.
HAVING THIS HEARD AS C.A.C. MEETING, AS LONG AS IT'S ADVISED, I'M NOT AWARE TO PUT AN AD IN THE PAPER.
>> IT WON'T MATTER. >> SO THE ITEM COULD GO.
. >> WANT TO MAKE SURE WE WERE NOT MISSING ANYTHING OR CAUSING A PROBLEM.
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO CONTINUE THIS ITEM, UNTIL A AUGUST, AUGUST, SEPTEMBER 5TH.
>> BEFORE YOU MAKE A MOTION. ONE OF THE BIGGEST CONCERNS, THE BROAD STROKE. IF STAFF IS GOING TO RELOOK AND POTENTIALLY COME UP WITH A NEW PLAN.
IF THERE IS A WAY, TO RESTRICT WITHOUT THE BROAD STROKE, I WOULD BE MORE IN FAVOR OF THAT, THAN OBVIOUSLY GIVING CART BLANCH. .
>> I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION, TO CONTINUE THIS TO A MEETING, AUGUST -- I BELIEVE SEPTEMBER 6TH IS THE NEXT MEETING.
SOON THERE AFTER, IT COULD BE HEARD.
>> I'LL SECOND IT. >> SO MOVED.
>> AND HE MADE THE -- PETE MADE THE MOTION.
>> I'LL SECOND. >> WHAT WE'RE VOTING ON IS TO CONTINUE THIS. IT WILL GIVE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR STAFF TO LOOK AT THIS AND FOR THE C.A.C. TO HEAR THIS IN SESSION. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
OKAY. THANK YOU. >> MAY I ASK A QUESTION.
DODIE IS THE P.O.D. AN OPTION FOR THEM.
>> THAT WOULD BE THAT ONE PARCEL.
>> IT COMES SPOT ZONING. YOU HAVE A QUESTION, THAT'S A LOT STICKIER ABOUT SURROUNDING USES AND IS IT CONSISTENT.
>> I STILL THINK -- CRITERIA IS MUCH HARDER TO MEET.
THERE'S THAT REQUIREMENT, AND THERE'S NOT THAT MANY.
AND IT'S A DIRECT ACCESS, AND AT LEAST THREE ACRES IN -- IT IS
NOT EVERYWHERE, IN THE L.A.R.C. >> WE'LL TALK ABOUT IT NEXT
[2. Public Hearing to consider CPA-2022-07 changing 26.4 acres from Commercial to UC-10. (District 1, Comm. Cella) (D. Selig)]
MONTH, THEN. THANK YOU.>> ITEM NUMBER 2. THIS IS CHANGING 26.8 ACRES FROM COMMERCIAL TO UC10, URBAN COURT 10.
. >> IS THE ONE THAT TAKES COMPANION ZONING. WE CAN TAKE THEM BUT WE WILL HAVE TO HAVE TWO VOTES. .
>> FIRST ONE IS SMALL SCALE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT.
IT IS A CHANGE LAND USE. C.P.A.22-27.
IT WILL GO TO THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS ON AUGUST 23RD.
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THE APPLICANT IS TO GO ADVENTURE.THE AGENT IS FRANK NOAH. THE PROPERTIES ARE LANDING BOULEVARD AND VENTURE LANE, IN THE DOCTOR'S LAKERIDGEWOOD AND COMMISSIONER DISTRICT 1, UNDER COMMISSIONER SELLA.
AND THIS WOULD CHANGE THE FUTURE LAND USE FROM COMMERCIAL TO URBAN CORE 10. THIS IS THE COMPANION REZONING APPLICATION, WHICH WE WILL DISCUSS IN A MINUTE.
THAT'S P.O.D.22-27. THE PROPERTY IS THE PARCEL AND UNDER THE HATCH MARK AND IN THE CENTER OF YOUR SCREEN.
SOUTH SIDE OF BLANDING AND WEST SIDE OF VENTURE LANE.
WHERE VENTURE LANE ENDS AT THE PARCEL ITSELF.
YOU COULD SEE, THERE'S SOME COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT ON THE LANDING FRONTAGE AND THAT'S A SHED CARPORT-TYPE OF BUSINESS.
THE REST OF THE PARCEL IS VACANT, EXCEPT AT THE STORM WATER POND AT THE SOUTH END. THE COMMERCIAL, YOU COULD SEE ON THE LEFT, IS THE EXISTING FUTURE LAND USE, WITH THE COMMERCIAL FUTURE LAND USE. ON THE RIGHT IS THE PROPOSED, COMMERCIAL IN COVERING THE ENTIRE SITE, EXTENDS, FROM BLAN BLANDING.
THE CHANGE WOULD MAKE IT MORE FOR THE COMMUNITY.
SINGLE FAMILY TO THE EAST. AND P.U.D. FOR MULTIFAMILY TO THE SOUTH. AND IT'S A MOBILE HOME TO THE WEST. CRITERIA MET AND RECOMMENDS
APPROVAL OF 2027.07. >> DO YOU GUYS WANT TO GO AHEAD AND TAKE THIS AS AN ITEM OR LOOK AT THE P.U.D. ALONG WITH IT.
>> TAKE IT SEPARATELY THEN. >> IS THE APPLICANT PRESENT ON THIS ONE? MS. MILLER.
>> GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS FRANK MILLER.
MY ADDRESS IS 1 INDEPENDENT DRIVE, SUITE 2300 IN JACKSONVILLE FLORIDA. I REALLY DON'T HAVE MUCH TO ADD TO WHAT DODIE PROVIDED YOU, BUT I AM AVAILABLE TO ANSWER QUESTION. THIS IS REALLY A GREAT PROJECT.
AND WHEN WE GET TO THE P.U.D., I'LL BE ABLE TO EXPLAIN THAT.
>> ON THE PLATT, THIS THING, THERE'S ONLY ONE ACCESS INTO THE COM COMPOUND.
IS THAT SUFFICIENT ENOUGH TO HANDLE 190 UNIT?
>> I BELIEVE SO. WE WENT TO THE D.I.C. AND NONE OF THE COUNTIES SEEMED TO HAVE A THOUGHT ON IT.
>> IS THERE ANY STOPS FRJS THAT'S GOING TO BE A --
>> D.O.T. PROBLEM. >> YEAH, D.O.T. ISSUE.
>> THANK YOU. >> HANNAH, OKAY, THAT'S ITEM 1, 4. I DON'T HAVE ANY CARDS ON THIS.
I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. YOU WANT TO SPEAK ON THIS ONE, COME ON AND SPEAK TO THE PODIUM, PLEASE.
THIS IS A MASTER PLAN AREA. >>
>> 1186 TUMBLEWEED DRIVE ORANGE PARK.
MY MAIN QUESTION WOULD BE, WOULD THE GENTLEMAN LIKE TO LIVE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE FENCE? I LIVE LITERALLY ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE FENCE. THE TREES WILL PROBABLY BE GONE.
HOW HIGH IS THE BUILDING. I LIVE NEXT TO THE POND.
THE POND IS ON ONE SIDE OF THE PROPERTY.
IT'S VERY SCARY. ONE OF THE THINGS, WE BROUGHT THE PROPERTY FOR IS BECAUSE OF THE PRIVACY OF THE TREES.
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>> THIS IS A LAND USE CHANGE. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE ZOPPING RIGHT NOW. IF YOU, I WILL CALL YOU BACK UP IN JUST A SECOND, BECAUSE I WOULD LIKE TO GET YOUR COMMENTS
>> ANYONE ELSE WANT TO SPEAK ON THE LAND USE CHANGE? SEEING THAT, I WILL CLOSE THAT AND BRING IT BACK FOR DISCUSSION. ANYONE?
>> MOVE TO APPROVE STAFF REPORT. >> IST -- I DID WANT TO CALL ANYBODY'S POSITION. AND WE GOT THE REPORT FROM LANCE, SINCE HE COULDN'T BE HERE TONIGHT.
I WANT THIS TO BE PUT IN THE MINUTES.
AND IT APPLIES TO BOTH THE LAND USE, BUT ALSO TO THE REZONING.
THIS IS FROM THE SCHOOL BOARD REP.
THIS ITEM CAME BEFORE THE COMMITTEE ON 7:21.
I ATTACHED THE SCHOOL ANALYSIS. THE ZONE SCHOOLS, DOCTOR'S IN ELEMENTARY, LAKESIDE JUNIOR HIGH AND RIDGE VIEW HIGH SCHOOL.
THE ELEMENTARY AND JUNIOR HIGH SCHOOLS HAVE CAPACITY SUPPORT FOR THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT. HOWEVER, THE HIGH SCHOOL DOES NOT. THERE IS CONCURRENCY IN THE CON CONTINUEIANS HIGH SCHOOL, ORANGE PARK HIGH SCHOOL, BASED ON THE ANALYSIS ON CONCURRENT ENROLLMENT.
THERE IS SUFFICIENT CAPACITY, TO SUPPORT THE DEVELOPMENT WITHOUT LITIGATION CLAY COUNTY DEPARTMENT OF SCHOOLS, SUPPORTS THE PROPOSED CHANGE. I WANTED TO READ THAT INTO THE RECORD. WITH THAT, I HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR TO APPROVE THE LAND USE CHANGE.
ANY DISCUSSION. SEEING NONE, ALL THOSE THAT SUPPORT THE STAFF REPORT, STATE AYE.
[3. Public Hearing to consider PUD-2022-07. (District 1, Comm. Cella) (D. Selig)]
NONE. OKAY. OKAY.THIS IS THE ONE WE REALLY WANT TO TALK ABOUT.
ITEM THREE, THIS IS THE PUBLIC HEARING TO RECONSIDER PUDD 202207. THIS IS AN APPLICATION OF THE SINGLE FROM V.V. TO PUD. YOU GOT THIS MS. SELIG.
>> AND I APOLOGIZE TO THE SCREEN.
THIS WOULD ALSO GO TO BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS AUGUST 23RD. FOR ANYONE WHO MAY BE JUST BE TUNING IN OR COMES ACROSS THE RECORDING LATER, THE COMPANION ACTION IS THE C.P.A. THAT WE JUST FINISHED.
SO IN THE LEFT, IT'S THE ZONING. YOU COULD SEE IT'S B.B.
IT COVERS THE ENTIRE PARCEL. IT BRINGS THE COMMERCIAL USE POTENTIAL WELL INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AREA, THE SURROUNDING RESIDENTIAL. AND HERE, YOU COULD SEE THE ZONING OF THE RB IS THE SINGLE FAMILY TO THE EAST.
YOU HAVE THE P.O.D., WHICH IS THE MOBILE HOME PARK TO THE WEST. ON THE RIGHT, A BLOW, PROVIDED TO YOUR QUESTION ABOUT ACCESS? THE MAIN ENTRANCE IS ON VENTURE, UP NEAR BLANDING. IT'S ACTUALLY UP HERE.
YOU WOULD COME IN AND ACROSS THE AMENITY CENTER.
HOWEVER, THERE'S A SECONDARY EMERGENCY ACCESS DOWN AT THE END OF VENTURE THAT WOULD ALLOW, SHOULD THERE BE SOMETHING HAPPENING IN THE MAIN ENTRANCE. THERE IS THE ABILITY TO TRANSFER THE BACK OF THE COMMERCIAL AREA. THEY ARE JUST TO THE EAST TO GET OUT AROUND ANY WALKAGE. THE SITE HAS TOWN HOMES AND DUPLEXES, SO THEY ARE PRETTY MUCH SINGLE STORY I'M SURE THE TOWN HOMES ARE PROBABLY TWO STORY.
THERE'S A MIX OF GARAGES AND ON-STREET PARKING.
AN AMENITY CENTER I MENTIONED, DOG PARK, ANOTHER PARK AND THERE'S TRAILS AS WELL. I'M SURE THE APPLICANT COULD GIVE YOU MORE DETAILS ON WHAT IT WILL LOOK LIKE.
THE WRITTEN STATEMENT THAT WAS IN YOUR STAFF REPORT HAS THIS SPECIFIC DETAILS OF THE P.O.D., AS FAR AS SETBACKS AND LANDSCAPE AND ALL THE ACTUAL ZONING REQUIREMENTS.
I WILL GO INTO ALL OF THEM, BECAUSE IT WAS KIND OF
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EXTENSIVE. I WOULD BE HAPPY TO ANSWERQUESTIONS, IF YOU HAVE ANY. >> ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF RIGHT
>> I'M GOING TO ASK INTO THE SETBACKS AND THE LANDSCAPE REQUIREMENTS. YOU DON'T HAVE TO GET INTO THE WEEDS. NO PUN INTENDED.
I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR THE COMMUNITY TO HEAR WHAT THE
REQUIREMENTS ARE. >> FIRE AWAY.
>> WHAT I'M ASKING, IS TO ADDRESS THE CONCERNS ON BUFFER, ANY SCREENING, LANDSCAPE. THERE WAS ALREADY ONE, I BELIEVE, MRS. REED, WHAT HER CONCERN WAS, HER PROXIMITY TO THE FACILITY. AND I WANT TO UNDERSTAND WHAT
THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS ARE. >> THERE'S NOT -- ANYTHING LAID OUT. WHAT THE APPLICANTS IS PROPOSING, IS A 50 PERCENT MAXIMUM OF LOT COVERAGE.
THERE'S NO MINIMUM YARD REQUIREMENT.
THESE ARE NOT INDEPENDENTLY OWNED PARCELS.
IT'S ONE GIANT PARCELS. THERE'S A PERIMETER REQUIREMENT, PERIMETER SETBACK. IT'S 25 FEET OF LANDING BOULEVARD. IT INCLUDES AN EARTH AND BERM WITH EARTH ESCAPING. THERE'S A 10 FOOT BUFFER TO THE NORTH, ALONG EAST SIDE, ALONG TANGLEWOOD SUBDIVISION.
IT INCLUDES A LANDSCAPE AREA. MINIMUM 6 FOOT HIGH FENCE OR HEDGE OR TREE PLANTING. AND IN THE VENTURE LANE, WEST SIDE, IT'S 15 FEET AND THE SOUTH SIDE IS ALSO 15 FEET.
AND ALTHOUGH IT'S NOT MENTIONED HERE, YOU COULD SEE IT ON THE PLAN, THERE'S ACTUALLY A DRA DRAINAGE EASEMENT ON THE WESTERN BORDER AND EASTERN BORDER -- WIL USE THE POINTER, IT WILL MAKE MUCH MORE SENSE.
IT STARTS HERE AND GOES SOUTH. FROM THIS POINT, SOUTH ALL THE WAY ALONG THE BOTTOM AND TO THE SAME POINT, THERE'S A UTILITY EASEMENT. THAT'S WIDER THAN THE 10 FOOT THAT'S LISTED. IT PROVIDES A MORE INTENSIVE SETBACK IN THE AREA. MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF STRUCTURES.
ALLEY ACCESS IS PROVIDED FOR THE SORT OF, YOU COULD SEE THE DARKER BROWN, REDDISH BROWN TOWN HOMES.
THEY HAVE AN 18 FOOT RIGHT OF WAY, IN BETWEEN THEM.
IF IT'S TWO WAY, THE P.U.D., LIST THE 10 FOOT RIGHT OF WAY.
WE DON'T HAVE ANY RIGHT OF WAY. THIS IS TWO WAY ACCESS.
PATIOS AND PORCHES, SCREEN PORCHES ARE ALLOWED ALONG WITH OUTDOOR DINING TERRACES AND THINGS SIMILAR.
. >> I THINK YOU ANSWERED MY QUESTION. I WAS KIND OF WANTING TO ADDRESS THE PERIMETER AND BUFFER TO THE NEIGHBORS.
>> THERE WILL BE A LANDSCAPE BUFFER AROUND THE PERIMETER.
>> ANYONE ELSE? OKAY. I GUESS WE'RE READY FOR THE APPLICANT. .
>> AND 2300 SUITES JACKSONVILLE. THESE COULD BE VIEWED AS AN APARTMENT COMPLEX. THE UC10 LAND USE WOULD ALLOW AN APARTMENT COMPLEX. THEY ARE BASICALLY WITHOUT STRAIGHT FORMING. THIS IS A UNIQUE PROJECT, WHERE IT WILL BE A SINGLE OWNER, JUST LIKE AN APARTMENT COMPLEX WILL B A SINGLE OWNER. THERE WILL BE A VARIETY OF UNITS. THERE WILL BE PATIO HOMES, ONE LEVEL PATIO HOMES. DUP DUPLEXES THERE WILL BE TOWN HOMES.
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AND IT'S A COMMUNITY, WHERE YOU COULD GROW IN A LITTLE BIT.AND IT WILL NOT BE FEONED AS A RENTAL COMMUNITY.
IT WILL BE HIGHER END. AS YOU COULD SEE, BY THE COMMUNITY SITE PLAN, THERE ARE EXTENSIVE PARKS AND TRAILS WITHIN THE PROJECT AS WELL, AS A NICE AMENITY CENTER.
EXISTING WETLAND/LAKE, WETLAND-LAKE, WILL PROBABLY NOT BE DISTURBED. THERE PROBABLY IS NOT DESTRUCTION OF TREES OR ANYWHERE AROUND IT.
I'M NOT SURE WHERE MS. REED LIVES.
I'M SURE SHE WILL EXPLAIN IT AND POINT IT ON THE MAP.
THERE'S SIGNIFICANT BOUNDARIES ALONG THE PERIMETER.
IF THIS WAS A STRAIGHT ZONING, I THINK YOU COULD PUT A 2-3 STORY APARTMENT COMPLEX THERE. WE'RE TRYING TO DO A UNIQUE FACILITY OR PROJECT. I ENCOURAGE YOU, AND THE DETAILS, SHOW IT'S SOMETHING UNIQUE AND SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, A REAL NICE PROJECT FOR THAT AREA OF THE COUNTY. .
>> I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTION.
>> I HAVE A QUESTION. I HAVE ONE.
WHICH COLOR OF THE DRAWING IS THE THREE-STORY BUILDING.
>> I WILL HAVE TO LOOK AT DODIE'S SHOULDER.
>> I THOUGHT THEY WERE LABELLED SOMEWHERE.
>> YOU HAVE A HARD COPY OF THE APPLICATION
>> WHERE ARE THE TALL BUILDINGS. ARE THEY ALONG THE PERIMETER OR
THE CENTER . >> I DIDN'T PREPARE THIS.
>> WE DO, BUT IT DIDN'T TELL ME THE HEIGHT OF THE BUILDING.
>> THE HEIGHTS, OTHER THAN THE TOWN HOMES, I THINK EVERYTHING
ELSE IS SINGLE STORY. >> KIND OF WONDERING, IF THE FEES ON THIS SIDE ARE THE TALL BUILDINGS.
>> THEY MAY VERY WELL BE. I CANNOT TELL FROM THIS, THERE'S 60 UNITS OF THEM. I DON'T KNOW IF THOSE ARE THEY OR THEY ARE THIS COLOR PLANNED TWO, WHICH IS SIGNIFICANTLY LESS. .
>> IF COMMISSIONERS ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THE HEIGHT, I'M SURE THE CLIENT WILL BE INTERESTED IN WILLING TO ADJUST THE PLAN. THIS IS A PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN.
SO IT'S NOT AN ABSOLUTE FINAL FORM.
I THINK THERE'S ABOUT 185 UNITS ON THE SITE PLAN AND IT IS
APPROXIMATELY 190. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? I'M GOING TO OPEN THE PUBLIC.
AND MA'AM, THIS IS WHAT I'M GOING TO HEAR FROM YOU NOW
PLEASE. >> YOU COULD POINT TO IT ON THIS
MAP RIGHT HERE >> YOU SHOULD BE SOMEWHERE IN
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THE RED, IN THE LEFT-HAND SIDE. >> RIGHT THERE.
>> OKAY. >> THIS IS THE PROPERTY AND THE
>> AND THERE'S A UTILITY ACCESS ROAD HERE.
WE HAVE A FENCE ON THE LINE. AND THERE'S 17 PINE TREES AND THEN THE LOWER TREES. .
>> OKAY. . >> OKAY. THAT'S WHAT WE WANT TO KNOW. IF YOU WOULD, IF SO WE CAN GET YOU ON THE RECORDING. COME BACK TO THE MIC.
GIVE US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AGAIN.
ANY COMMENTS YOU WANTED TO MAKE ON THIS, PLEASE.
>> 1186 TUMBLEWEED DRIVE, ORANGE PARK.
I GUESS, AGAIN, MY QUESTION WOULD BE TO THE APPLICANT, HOW HE WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE FEET, JUST
FEET FROM HIS BACKYARD? >> WE BOUGHT THE PROPERTY BECAUSE OF THE PRIVACY WE COULD AFFORD IN THE BACKYARD.
>> ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANT. >> NO, JUST FEAR.
>> ANYONE ELSE WANT TO COMMENT ON THIS ONE?
>> YES, SIR. >> NAME AND ADDRESS.
>> JULIAN PRIEST, 1204 TUMBLEWEED DRIVE.
I JUST LIVE DOWN THE STREET FROM WHERE SHE POINTED.
I HAVE SEVERAL CONCERNS IN RECORDS TO THIS.
STARTING WITH, IF WE PUT 190 UNITS, AVERAGED TWO CARS PER RESIDENTS ON BLANDING BOULEVARD BETWEEN NIGHT BOX AND TANGLEWOD BOULEVARD, WHAT'S THE IMPACT ON BRANDING? YOU COULD SAY IT'S A D.O.T. PROBLEM.
I SHOULD HAVE DONE, AT VENTURE LANE AND BRANDING ALREADY.
AND TANGLEWOOD AND BLANDING. I WISH THE RESIDENTS HAVE GOTTEN THE DEVELOPMENT MAP, AND WE DIDN'T GET THAT ON THE MAP AND THAT'S OKAY. I WOULD SAY, IF YOU LOOK AT THE PUD, IT'S APARTMENTS. WHETHER YOU WANT TO CLASSIFY THEM AS TOWN HOMES OR WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL THEM.
WHEN YOU PUT RESIDENT, FEW HUNDRED FEET IN THE AIR, I COULD ASSURE YOU THAT PUD IMPACTED SOME PEOPLE IN THE SUBDIVISION, LOOKING BACK DOWN WHEN YOU'RE 45, LOOKING BACK DOWN TO THE BACKYARD TO THEIR HOMES. PRIVACY FENCES HAS BEEN USELESS.
I'VE HAD MANY SHERIFF'S AT MY HOUSE, COMING FROM THE PUD AND LACK OF PRIVACY FENCE. AND YOU'RE GOING TO POTENTIALLY ADD MORE HEIGHT LOOKING DOWN IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT'S 40 YEARS OLD. I'M NOT OPPOSED TO SOME DEVELOPMENT. I'M NOT OPPOSED TO SOME HOMES, BUT WHEN YOU TALK 45 FEET UP, YOU TALK A DOG PARK THAT'S RIGHT BEHIND MY HOUSE. I'M NOT SURE I WANT THAT.
I HAVE A DOG, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF I WANT TO HEAR A BUNCH OF DOGS BARKING. WHEN YOU ADD 300 CARS POTENTIALLY PLUS TO A POTENTIAL TRAFFIC JAM, I THINK WE'RE ADDING FUEL TO ALREADY BIG FIRE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
>> I THOUGHT I SAW SOMEBODY ELSE.
YES, SIR. >> PATRICK MALONEY, BROKEN ARROW SOUTH ORANGE PARK. I'M PAST THE SMALL RETENTION POND. MY CONCERN, THERE WAS A LOT OF FLOODING DURING HURRICANE IRMA. THE REST OF THE LAND WAS CHANNELLING WATER AND KEEPING IT FROM FLOODING INTO OUR HOUSE.
THERE WAS A LOT OF NEIGHBORS. IT WAS SIX INCHES FROM GOING IN
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THE GARAGE AND IN ONE OF MY NEIGHBOR'S HOUSES.FLOODING IS A CONCERN. I MOVED IN BECAUSE IT WAS AN OLDER COMMUNITY, PRIVACY. I COULD SEE THE WOODS AND IT'S A GLORIFIED APARTMENT COMPLEX THAT'S COMING IN, AND APPROVED 25 FEET. STARING INTO THE BACK OF BUILDING INSTEAD OF TREES AND POND.
I'VE HAD TWO CHILDREN SINCE I MOVED IN AND I LIKE THE NEIGHBORHOOD. I WANT MY PROPERTY VALUE TO NOT DIMINISH BECAUSE OF THE PROPERTY.
>> ANYBODY ELSE? WE HAVE ONE MORE.
>> MAY NAME IS JOE POWERS. ADDRESS IS 1299 BLANDING BOULEVARD. WE OWN THE PROPERTY TO THE SOUTH OF THE DEVELOPMENT. AND I GOT A LOT OF QUESTIONS BECAUSE OF ALL THE BUILDINGS, YOU KNOW, WHERE THE MOBILE HOME PARKS IS. ALL THE BUILDINGS IS ON THAT SIDE, IF THEY ARE 45 FEET HIGH, I DON'T WANT THEM.
THERE'S NOT ENOUGH ROOM AT 15 FOOT.
WE'VE HAD THE PROPERTIES SINCE THE 60S AND YOU WANT TO GIVE A 15 FOOT BUFFER. I THINK I SPOKE WITH HIM BEFORE BUT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW MORE. I HAVE NO PROBLEM, WITH THE LANDING DEVELOPED. I THINK WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE WHERE THE BUILDINGS ARE. LIKE I SAID, 15 FOOT.
IF YOU'RE 45 FEET HIGH, YOU'RE LOOKING IN THE BACK OF EVERYBODY'S YARD. NOW IF THERE'S SINGLE ONE STORY, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM. I DO HAVE A PROBLEM WITH A 15 FOOT BUFFER IN THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE WE HAVE THE 16 ACRES BESIDE IT. THAT'S ALL I WOULD LIKE TO SAY AT THIS TIME REALLY. I DIDN'T REALLY PLAN ON TALKING.
I WAS LIKE, LET ME GET IN HERE. THE DOORS ARE LOCKED AND WOULD LET ME IN. DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FRJS NO, BUT WE APPRECIATE THE COMMENTS.
>> THANK YOU, SIR >> ANYONE ELSE.
>> I'M GOING TO ASK YOU TO KEEP IT BRIEF, SINCE YOU'VE ALREADY
BEEN UP TO SPEAK. >> 30 SECONDS.
>> I'VE BEEN BRIEFED BOTH TIMES. >> JANNETTETA REED, 116 TUMBLEWEED DRIVE. ANOTHER THOUGHT I HAD AND DIDN'T SAY, VENTURE LANE IS A VERY TINY STREET.
IT WOULD HAVE TO HAVE SOME LIGHT THERE, SOMETHING THAT'S A MAJOR CHANGE. IT'S A VERY TINY STREET.
ANYONE ELSE? I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND BRING BACK ANY DISCUSSIONS OR THOUGHTS, GUYS?
>> AND LADIES. >> AND I HAVE A QUESTION.
I WILL ASK, JUST ABOUT THE 45 FEET.
TYPICALLY, YOU COULD GET THREE STORIES IN 35 HEIGHT STORAGE RESTRICTIONS. WHAT'S THE HEIGHT --
>> I DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER. WE WILL HAVE THE CLIENT MOVE, AND TO THE OTHER BUILDING. PRESENTLY, THAT PROPERTY IS ZONED COMMERCIAL WITH THE B.B. ZONING.
THAT MEANS, THERE COULD BE SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF DIFFERENT COMMERCIAL USES THAT COULD BE PLACED ON THAT PROPERTY THAT WOULD BE IN MY VIEWLESS ATTRACTIVE THAN A HIGHER END MULTI-FAMILY PROJECT. I THINK THE BUFFERS THAT WE WERE PROPOSING IS ADEQUATE. AGAIN, WE'RE NOT DISTURBING THE POND IN THE SOUTH END. WE'RE NOT DISTURBING ANYTHING ALONG THE EASEMENTS IN THE SOUTH END OR THE WEST SIDE.
IT SOUNDS LIKE THE BIG ISSUE IS THE HEIGHT OF THE BUILDINGS OF BOUNDARIES. WE CAN LOOK AT THAT.
SORRY, I WASN'T QUITE DONE. THE FIRST QUESTION I HAD WAS ON THE 45 FOOT. THREE STORIES, DEPENDING ON THE ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN, I THINK WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO ACHIEVE THAT
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WITH A 35 FOOT LIMIT. I SEEN THAT IN THE PAST.I LIKE THE PROJECT. TALKING ABOUT AFFORDABLITY, THAT'S ALWAYS A HUGE ISSUE, FOR THE COUNTY, TO FIND AFFORDABLE HOUSING IF IT FOLLOWS THE 25 FOOT SETBACKS. IT'S BUFFERED PROPERLY.
I THINK IT'S GOT A POTENTIAL TO BE A NICE EDITION TO THE COMMUNITY. THAT'S MY THOUGHTS.
ISM I HOPE IT WILL BE AFFORDABLE HOUSING TO SOME DEGREE.
PEOPLE ARE LOSING THEIR APARTMENTS BECAUSE THEY CAN'T AFFORD STUFF LIKE THAT. IN THE PAST, THE COUNTY HAS BEEN SENSITIVE TO BUILDING AND I HOPE THE DESIGN COMMITTEE WILL CONTINUE TO THAT REVIEW AND MR. MILLER, HIS ORGANIZATION, WILL BE SENSITIVE TO THE NEIGHBORS AROUND THERE.
NOBODY WANTS A THREE-STORY BUILDING IN YOUR BACKYARD.
>> MR. NORTON. >> JUST HAVE A QUESTION.
. >> IF THIS PASSES TONIGHT, HOW DO THE RESIDENTS KNOW EXACTLY WHAT WILL BE PLANNED AND HOW DOES IT FACTOR INTO WHAT MR. MILL SER PROPOSING.
>> IT'S DESIGNED REVIEW SHG; RIGHT?.
>> THIS IS ONLY PRELIMINARY PLAN.
HE HAS TO COME BACK? >> YES, YES
>> THE STAFF ZO. >> WHAT ABOUT THE RESIDENTS AROUND IT? DO THEY SEE IT?
HOW DO THEY SEE IT. >> MY ONLY CONCERN, I JUST EIGHT, YOU KNOW, 25 FOOT BUFFER, TO ME, IS JUST NOT BIG ENOUGH TO SEPARATE THE TWO PROPERTIES. HOMEOWNERS CURRENTLY.
THEY WILL COME IN AND CLEAN THE TREES OUT.
THEY WILL GET CLOSE ENOUGH. IT WILL BE WIDE OPEN.
I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF THAT SIZE BUFFER.
I WANT TO SEE, IF THEY WILL MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A LARGER BUFFER. WE'RE NOT TAKING TOO MUCH OF NATURE OUT OF THE WAY. I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF A LOWER PROFILE BUILDING ALONG THE EASTBOUNDRY.
I'M ALSO CONCERN WITH THE WATER, NOT THE RETENTION AS MUCH AS THE WATER MOVING OFF. WANT TO SEE THE WATER, NOT SEEING THE WATER GOING INTO THE PEOPLE'S PROPERTIES, ESPECIALLY
ON HEAVY RAINING SEASONS. >> AND IN YOUR PACKAGE, IS A CONTOUR MAP. IF ANYTHING, THE WATER FROM THE
NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR -- >> YOU WON'T RAISE THE
ELEVATION. >> IT STARTS AT 70 FEET.
IT KIND OF GOES IN A SOUTHWEST DIRECTION DOWN TO ABOUT I THINK IT'S 50 FEET. SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 50-70 FEET.
THAT'S THE DIRECTION OF THE LAND.
THEY WILL NOT TOUCH THE RESPOND. I THINK THE ONLY THING, MOUND UP PROPERTY DIRT AT THE TOP AND MAKE THE WATER FLOW THAT WAY, WHICH WOULD BE A WASTE OF TIME AND MONEY.
. >> ARE YOU SUGGESTING THAT YOU WILL DO A STORM WATER RUNOFF CALCULATIONS TO ACCOUNT FOR THE NEIGHBOR'S STORM WATER RUNOFF AS WELL.
THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT I HEARD. >> I WAS GUESSING IN LIGHT OF CONTOUR OF THE PROPERTY, MORE THAN LIKELY, THE WATER FROM THE PROJECT DRAINS ACROSS THIS AND VICE VERSA.
>> DO WE HAVE A MAP? >> I'M LOOKING.
. >> WE ASKED ABOUT THE MAPS BEF BEFORE.
>> WHILE THEY ARE LOOKING AT THAT --
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>> I HAD A COUPLE OF COMMENTS IN QUESTION.
ONE IS, CLEARLY THE ISSUE WITH THE BUILDING HEIGHT.
AND I'M LIKE, I DON'T KNOW, 35 FEET IS ENOUGH.
THAT SEEMS WHAT WE SEE A LOT, 35 FOOT HEIGHT.
AND THEN MOVE THE TALLER BUILDINGS AWAY FROM THE PROPERTY LINE. IT IS UNNERVING, SO THEY CAN SEE
TO THEIR BACKYARDS. >> IT'S IN YOUR PACKET?
>> IT'S IN YOUR PACKET. PAGE 14, TOP.
AND IT'S NOT IN THE P.O. D. IT'S IN THE PLANNED 1.
OTHER THING I WANT TO ASK, IS THIS A GATED COMMUNITY?
>> IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE. .
>> THE GATE AND THE EMERGENCY GATE IN THE END OF THE ROAD, VENTURA HOW IS THAT GATE GOING TO BE ACCESSED? IS THAT GOING TO BE A CRASH GATE FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT? IT'S AN ISSUE THAT'S COME UP BEFORE, AND THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING. IF THE MAIN ISSUE IS BLOCKED AND THE FIRE DEPARTMENT HAS TO GET BACK IN THERE, COULD THEY CRASH THE GATE? HOW IS IT GOING TO BE SECURED?
>> I DON'T KNOW. IT WILL BE WHATEVER THE FIRE DEPARTMENT SAYS WE NEED. WHETHER IT'S A PUNCH BUTTON THING OR WHETHER THEY DRIVE THROUGH IT.
. >> USUALLY THEY HAVE THE TRUCK.
>> MY ONLY OTHER COMMENT, BECAUSE I DIDN'T SEE IT, MR. REYES ASKED ABOUT THE SETBACKS.
I'M JUST GOING TO MENTION A COUPLE OF POINTS THAT AREN'T GOING TO AFFECT MY VOTE ON THIS. ONE, WHEN WE GOT DRIVEWAYS, WE HAVE TO HAVE DRIVEWAYS LONG ENOUGH.
THE 20 FOOT DRIVEWAYS ARE TOO SHORT.
IF THEY ARE NOT 25 FEET, THEY ARE TOO SHORT.
I DID WANT TO ADDRESS FOR A MINUTE THE TRAFFIC ISSUE ON BLANDING. WE HAVE IN THE COUNTY WHAT'S CALLED THE MOBILITY FEE NOW THAT TAKES INTO ACCOUNT THAT TRAFFIC AND WHETHER OR NOT THERE WILL BE A LIGHT PUT UP THERE, IS STRICTLY UP TO THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION.
THAT'S THE STATE ROAD. THEY CONTROL THE ACCESS ON BLANDING BOULEVARD, NOT THE COUNTY.
ANY OTHER QUESTION? WE CLOSED THE PUBLIC HEARING.
>> TYPICALLY THE ELECTRONIC GATE, FOR ACCESS VEHICLE, OPEN
THE GATE SPECIFICALLY. >> THANK YOU.
. >> FOR THE RESIDENTS, SURROUNDING AREA, DO YOU HAVE ANY TYPE OF ADVISORY COMMITTEE
FOR YOUR AREA. >> WE WILL ENCOURAGE THAT, BY THE WAY. .
>> MY REASON FOR ASKING, THAT MAY ALLEVIATE CONCERNS IF BOTH
PARTIES COULD WORK IT OUT. >> THANK YOU.
WE'LL GO AHEAD AND PULL IT BACK FOR A MOTION HERE.
>> I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE STAFF REPORT WITH THE CAVEAT OF
A 35 FOOT HEIGHT RESTRICTION. >> ON THE BUILDING.
>> ON THE BUILDING. >> YOU WANT TO ADD ANYTHING OF MOVING THE HEIGHT CENTER TO THE BUILDING --
>> I THINK WE WILL LET D.O.C. DO THEIR JOB.
>> SECOND. >> SECOND, FROM MS. BRIDGMAN.
IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS? I DON'T THINK I'VE GOT ANY EITHER.
I WILL SAY, I'M FAMILIAR WITH THE PROPERTY AND IT'S NICE THAT IT'S WOODEN. I HATE IT WHEN THEY CLEAR CUT THIS STUFF. THIS IS A PARCEL, THAT LOOKS LIKE IT WILL BE A PRETTY GOOD DEVELOPMENT.
THERE'S A GOOD SHOPPING CENTER TO THE NORTH OF THIS.
MAYBE IT WILL GET A LITTLE MORE BUSINESS, IF THERE'S MORE PEOPLE
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THERE. WITH THAT, I WILL CALL TOQUESTION, ALL ON FAVOR? >> AYE.
>> AYE. >> MR. ANZALONE AND MR. NORTON ARE NO VOTES ON THAT ONE. ALL RIGHT.
ON TO THE NEXT ONE. ITEM NUMBER 4, THIS IS A PUBLIC
[4. Public Hearing to consider PUD 2022-06. (District 5, Comm Burke) (B. Carson)]
HEARING TO CONSIDER P.U.D.2022-06.AND IT'S REZONING FROM LAMPC TO LAVC TO PUD.
THAT'S MASTER COMMUNITY TO VILLAGE CENTER PUD.
>> MR. CHAIRMAN, I WOULD LIKE TO DO A BRIEF PRESENTATION ON BEHALF OF STAFF AND THE REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE AGENT WILL ALSO BE A MUCH MORE INDEPTH PRESENTATION.
THIS IS PUD-22-06. THE PROPERTY OWNERS ARE STONE GINGER ROSA RANCH, DENNIS STONE 401(K).
THE TRUSTEES ARE DENNIS STONE AND SHARON STONE.
THE AGENT IS NICK GLOCKMAN AND HE'S REPRESENTED BY STEPHEN POZADDO WHO WILL BE HERE. THE LOCATION OF THE PROPERTY IS 3034 AND 3060 RUSSEL ROAD, WHICH IS THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF THE INTERSECTION OF RUSSEL AND SAND RIDGE IT'S LOCATED IN PLANNING DISTRICT LAKE ASBURY, COMMISSION DISTRICT 5 AND COMMERCIAL DISTRICT.
AND THIS WILL GO TO THE B.C.C. HEARING AUGUST 9TH.
THE REQUEST IS TO REZONE APPROXIMATELY 40 ACRES, FROM THE CURRENT ZONING DISTRICTS OF LAPC AND LAVC WHICH IS THE MASTER PLANNED COMMUNITY CENTER, TO GO FROM A PUD DEVELOPMENT.
FOR A POINT OF CLARIFICATION, LAKE ASBURY HAS A MORTATORIUM I EFFECT. I WANTED TO PRESENT TO YOU THE MORATORIUM IS ADOPTED BY ORDINANCE 2021-28.
THE CONDITIONS, STAFF CANNOT ACCEPT OR PROCESS ANY APPLICATIONS FOR ANY LAND USE AMENDMENT OR REZONING THAT EFFECTIVELY INCREASES RESIDENTIAL DENSITY.
THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT WE'RE HEARING, DOESN'T PRESENT AN INCREASE DENSITY, FROM THE CURRENT L.A.V.C.
L.A.V.C. PERMITS A DWELLING OF 10 DWELLING UNITS PER SINGLE FAMILY AND 12 GELLING UNITS FOR MULTI-FAMILY.
THE CURRENT ZONING, AND THAT WAS LAND USE.
THE CURRENT ZONING IS L.A.V.C. AND M.A.P.C. AND YOU HAVE YOUR DENSITIES THERE. AND THE APPLICANTS PROPOSE TO CHANGE TO L.A. D.C. YOU HAVE COMMENTS FROM OUR SCHOOL DISTRICT, LANCE, WHO IS NOT HERE TONIGHT.
I WANTED TO POINT OUT, THIS IS NOT AN INCREASE IN DENSITY.
HIS COMMENTS WOULD BASICALLY BE ADDRESSED DURING DEVELOPMENT REVIEW. LAKE ASBURY HAS A VARIETY OF USES. WHAT THEY PERMIT, IS A BLEND OF MIXES, RESIDENTIAL OFFICE. THERE'S MINIMUMS AND MAXIMUMS. WE'VE DONE A TALLY OF ACREAGE WITHIN THE VILLAGE CENTER.
IT'S 73.183 ACRES: AGAIN, THIS IS A 30.5 ACRE PORTION OF AN OVERALL 40 ACRE PARCELL. WHEN YOU FACTOR THE EXISTING RESIDENTIAL, THAT'S ALREADY BUILT OUT THERE, WE'RE STILL UNDER THE THRESHOLD. HERE'S A MAP OF THE SURROUNDING ZONEINGS. THIS PARCELL IS THE HATCH PARCELL IN THE MIDDLE. YOU SEE PART OF IT IS YELLOW.
IT IS THE LAKE MASTER PLANNED FACILITY.
ALL OF IT, LAND USEWISE IN THE HATCH AREA, IS ALL VILLAGE CENTER. WHEN IT CAME THROUGH FOR THEM, THEY DIDN'T CHANGE THE ZONING. SO YOU HAVE THE THREE DIFFERENT
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DISTRICTS. IT'S FOUNDED BY THE ROADS.AND BECAUSE IT'S A P.U.D., THE APPLICANT HAS PROVIDED A SITE PLAN. THE PROPOSED USE, AND I DON'T WANT TO STEAL THE THUNDER ON THE APPLICANT.
THE MAIN THING, IT'S CAPPED AT NINE DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE.
WITH THAT, STAFF HAS REVIEWED THE APPLICATION AND DETERMINED, IT'S COMPREHENSIVE WITH THE PLAN AND COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING AREA. I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND WE HAVE MR. POSADO TO PRESENT.
>> WOULD YOU GO BACK A COUPLE OF SLIDES.
NOT THAT, GO BACK ONE MORE. THE VILLAGE CENTER THERE IN RED.
SO PART OF THIS. WHAT -- DOES THAT ELIMINATE THE VILLAGE CENTER AS A ZONING, WHEN, IF WE CHANGE THIS.
>> ZONING, IT WOULD COURSE POND TO IT, BUT WITH LIKE AS BURRY, YOU COULD HAVE A POD. YOU WOULD STILL BE SUBJECT TO THE MIX, WHICH IS THE LAND USE. THE LAND USE IS DEFINING HOW THE
MIX COMES INTO PLAY. >> LET ME ASK YOU A DIFFERENT
WAY >> THERE'S A LIMITED NUMBER OF ACRES WE CAN HAVE AT VILLAGE CENTER IN LAKE ASBURY.
IF WE RECOMMEND THIS, DOES IT SPELL UP IT TO GO SOMEWHERE
ELSE. >> IT'S NOT DETERMINED FOR THE LAND USE. IT'S STAYING VILLAGE CENTER.
IT'S KIND OF STAYING WITH THE MIX.
APPLICANT MET WITH THE CITIZENS' ADVISORY COMMITTEE AND AMENDED THEIR APPLICATION, A SLIGHT FIT, AND I'M SURE THEY WILL ASK YOU ABOUT THAT. THE CITIZENS ADVISORY COMMITTEE, VOTED TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL. I INCLUDED THAT INFORMATION IN
YOUR PACKET AS WELL. >> ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF.
>> ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? >> OKAY.
>> I WILL ASK THE APPLICANT TO COME UP.
THEN WE WILL HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND WE CAN BRING IT UP AT THAT TIME. HOLD ON TO THE QUESTION.
>> GOOD EVENING, EAST JACKSON STREET, TAMPA.
GOOD TO BE HERE. I WANT TO QUICKLY INTRODUCE OUR TEAM, INCLUDING WITH LEVEL UP, WHERE I'M ALSO AT, IS BRANDON MCKEELA, AND BRANDON. BRANDON IS IN THE CIVILSIDE AND CHARLOTTE IS IN THE TRANSPORTATION SIDE WE APPRECIATE BEING HERE TONIGHT.
AND WE APPRECIATE STAFF, PRETTY MUCH ACCEPT THEIR GUIDANCE IN THE PROCESS. IT'S A QUALITY PROJECT.
IT'S CONSISTENT AND COMPATIBLE WITH THE ADJACENT AND DEVELOPMENT. .
>> THESE NEXT TWO SLIDES, SHOW THE EXISTING CONDITIONS.
ONE THAT'S CURRENTLY ADJACENT. THERE'S QUITE A BIT OF DEVELOPMENT ACTIVITY OCCURRING NEARBY.
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AND AS YOU ZOOM IN, YOU COULD SEE MORE DETAIL.IF YOU COULD GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
THESE ARE PHOTOGRAPHS. IT'S BEEN CLEAR, EXCEPT FOR SCATTERED TREES. THIS, I THINK, TELLS THE STORY, FROM A PLANNING PERSPECTIVE ON THE LEFT.
MY LEFT-HAND SIDE. YOU COULD SEE THE CURRENT THIS KIND OF ANSWERS THE QUESTION THAT'S BROUGHT UP.
AND 100 PERCENT OF THE PROJECT SITE IS VILLAGE CENTER.
I THINK LAST YEAR, MS. STONE BROUGHT A POSITION BEFORE YOU, LIKE BETH SAID, TO CHANGE IT. PREVIOUSLY, IT LOOKED LIKE WHAT THE ZONING CHOSE. SHE DIDN'T CHOSE TO AMEND THE ZONING. WHAT WE'RE BRINGING YOU TONIGHT, IS CONSISTENT WITH THE VILLAGE DES NATION.
WHAT IT ALLOWS US, TO DEMONSTRATE, UNDERNEATH THE DENSITY. THE BASE MAX IS 10.
WE'RE PROPOSING NO MORE THAN 9 TO THE ACRE.
IT ALLOWS US TO DEMONSTRATE HOW WE'RE INTEGRATING.
HOW WE'RE INTEGRATING THE PARCELLS TO PROPOSE A COHESIVE DEVELOPMENT, THAT FITS THE DEFINITION OF THE VILLAGE CENTER. YOU WILL SEE THAT AS WE WORK THROUGH THE PROJECT. THIS IS AN ILL LUSTIVE -- ILLUSTRATETIVE VERSION, AND IT SHOWS THE LANDSCAPING, WE'RE PROPOSING AND THE FINER ELEMENTS, THAT ARE INCLUDED IN THE PLAN. IT'S GOING TO BE DEVELOPED IN PHASES. THE FIRST PHASE IS MULTI-FAMILY.
WE CALL IT A COTTAGE-STYLE OR VILLA-TYPE MULTI-FAMILY.
I WILL GET INTO THAT LATER IN THE PRESENTATION.
THERE'S TWO COMPONENTS. THERE'S RESIDENTIAL, AND I'LL DISCUSS IN MORE DETAIL. I DID COME -- IT DID COME ABOUT IN DETAIL FROM THE CITIZEN ADVISORY COMMITTEE.
IT CAME DIRECTLY FROM INPUT THAT WE RECEIVED.
THE PONDS, AND EVEN THOUGH IT SOUNDS LIKE, YOU KNOW, 34 ACRES IS RESIDENTIAL, AND IN FACT. WHEN YOU BREAK THAT INTO ITS ELEMENTS, IT'S LESS. BRANDON COULD GO INTO MORE DETAIL. THE PONDS ITSELF, HAS BEEN SIZED TO ACCOMMODATE ALL THE DEVELOPMENT.
IT ALLOWS MAXIMUM ILLUSTRATION ON THE AREA.
IF WE DIDN'T ACCOMMODATE THE STORM WATER, 15-20 PERCENT WOULD HAVE TO BE WATER MANAGEMENT, BASED ON THE -- AND WHAT WE PROPOSE, 100 PERCENT OF THE WATER MANAGEMENT IS ON THE FIRST PHASE. SECOND PHASE IS 5 1/2 ACRES.
THE FIRST PHASE HAS TWO POINTS OF ACCESS.
THE FIRST PHASE DOES HAVE TWO POINTS OF ACCESS ON RUSSEL.
THAT CAME FROM FEEDBACK THAT WE RECEIVED FROM STAFF.
OUR PRIMARY ENTRANCE IS ON RUSSEL AND THE SECONDARY ENTRANCE IS ON RUSSEL. THAT WILL BE SHARED WITH THE COMMERCIAL AS WELL. THE SECOND PHASE HAS AN ACCESS POINT ON SAND RIDGE, AND IT'S CAPPED AT 75 SQUARE FEET.
AS WE DESIGN THIS, IT DOESN'T CHANGE.
AND IT GOES BACK TO THE POINT, IT DOESN'T CHANGE THE D.C. DES NATION. WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING, THE COMMERCIAL DEVELOP, AS IF IT WERE THAT SAME ZONING CENTER, THE SAME CLASSIFICATION. .
>> IT DOES INCLUDE, TAYLOR MORRISON, AND CHRISTOPHER TODD COMMUNITIES THAT WORE ON THE AESTHETIC ASPECTS OF THE BRANDING. I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S SPECIAL. IT'S NOT TYPICAL, AND GETTING BACK TO COTTAGE STYLE OR VILLA-TYPE.
THE REASON I SAY THAT, THEY ARE ALL SINGLE STORY.
THEY HAVE PRIVATE YARDS. IF YOU HAVE A DOG OR WANT TO HAVE A GRILL, YOU COULD DO THAT IN YOUR BACKYARD.
IT'S MANAGED AS MULTI-FAMILY. IN SOME RESPECTS, YOU HAVE THE BENEFITS OF SINGLE FAMILY IN TERMS OF PRIVACY.
NO ONE LIVES ABOVE YOU, NO ONE LIVES BELOW YOU.
EVEN THE TWO BEDROOM UNITS ARE DETACHED.
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THE ONE BEDROOM ARE TYPICALLY ATTACHED.IT'S MANAGED AS MULTI-FAMILY. ALL THE BUFFERS, AMENITIES ARE MAINTAINED BY THE OWNER ENTITY. IT'S -- WE CAN GO INTO MORE DETAILS, IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ON THAT.
IT'S MARKET RATE. WE INCLUDED SOME IMAGES, SORT OF THE DETAIL DESIGN. IT BALANCES.
THERE'S PRIVATE AND PUBLIC SPACES.
YOU SEE THE DETAIL, IN TERMS OF LANDSCAPING.
YOU SEE THE NUMBER TWO, WHERE THE POOL FACILITIES IS.
IN SOME CASES, WE HAVE THE SORT OF FRONT YARD, ALMOST COURTYARD, WHERE YOU HAVE PUBLIC SPACES. WE HAVE ENCOURAGED INTERACTION.
IN THE BACKYARD, IS PRIVATE. YOU EVEN HAVE A DOGGIE DOOR IN THE REAR OF THE UNITS, SO THE DOGS COULD COME IN AND OUT.
YOU CAN'T DO TYPICALLY WITH A MULTI-STORY APARTMENT COMPLEX.
THERE'S JUST A LIST OF THE OTHER AMENDITIES.
GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. >> I'M SORRY, YOU COULD GO ONE SLIDE FOR A SECOND. I HAD A QUESTION.
PICTURE NUMBER THREE THERE. YOU SAID, THAT'S THE FRONT
YARDS. >> IT'S HARD TO SEE IN PLAN VIEW
BECAUSE OF THE SCALE. >> ARE THE GARAGES, REAR LOADED?
>> IT'S SUBSTANTIALLY. THERE'S SURFACE PARKING.
THERE'S AVAILABLE, DETACHED GARAGES.
LET'S SAY, 50 PERCENT OF THE RESIDENTS COULD USE AN ENCLOSED GARAGE SPACE AND THEY ARE GROUPED TOGETHER.
THEY FUNCTION AS A DETACHED GARAGE.
>> THAT'S CONSIDERED AS THE FRONT YARD.
I SEEN THIS IN CALIFORNIA. >> ARIZONA.
SOME ARE BEING CONSTRUCTED RIGHT NOW IN THE WESTERN PART OF FLORIDA. I THINK ARIZONA IS WHERE THE CONCEPT ORIGINALLY TOOK HOLD. YOU COULD SEE THE BACKYARDS HAVE THE FENCING. THAT'S WHERE THE REAR YARDS ARE.
. >> THIS IS ONE THAT PROVIDES YOU EXAMPLES OF THE ARCHITECTURE, THE ONE AND TWO BEDROOM ATTACHED. THE ONE BEDROOMS THAT'S ATTACHED AND THE TWO BEDROOMS THAT'S DETA DETACHED: NEXT SLIDE IS WHAT THE OFFICE AND FITNESS CENTER WILL LOOK LIKE. .
>> THIS IS THE CIVIC PARK FEATURE.
IT'S 12 PERCENT OF THE P.O.D. ACREAGE.
THERE'S A WALKING TRAIL. WE MEASURED IT.
IT'S ABOUT 4.2 MILES. IT CREATES NICE VIEWS AND VISTAS. AND ADJACENT TO THE ROAD, THAT HAS THE PUBLIC BENEFIT. THAT'S, AND REALLY THE DIRECTION FROM THEM. I THINK BENEFICIAL TOO, THE COUNTY, IT'S PUBLICLY ACCESSIBLE.
THE ENTIRE WALKWAY AROUND THE LAKE, IS PUBLICLY ACCESSIBLE, BUT IT'S PRIVATELY MAINTAINED. COUNTY WILL BE HAPPY ABOUT THAT.
ALSO, IF YOU LOOK AT THE DIFFERENT ELEMENTS, IT CREATES THE VILLAGE CENTER DYNAMIC AND VIBRANCY, BY HAVING THE WALKABLE ELEMENTS, REAL PARK FEATURE AND COMMERCIAL.
. >> IT'S A QUALITY DEVELOPMENT.
IT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE LAKE MASTER PLAN.
IT'S COMPATIBLE. IT'S SUITABLE FOR WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING. IT'S RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL BY THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE AND IT'S ALSO RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL BY STAFF. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
>> IF POSSIBLE, IF I COULD RESPOND TO ANY COMMENT.
>> BEFORE YOU LEAVE THE PODIUM, I WANT TO SEE IF ANYBODY HAS ANY
SPECIFIC QUESTIONS? >> I DO SIR.
IF EVERYTHING IS APPROVED, WHAT WOULD BE YOUR TIME LINE FOR STARTING AND COMPLETING THE PROJECT.
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>> I MAY GET ROY TO COME UP AND ADDRESS THAT, IF THAT'S OKAY.
>> THANK YOU. >> GOOD EVENING I'M ROY MAJOR FROM TAYLOR MORRISSON HOMES.
ADDRESSING 3922 COCONUT PALM AT TAMPA.
I JUST HAVE TO LOOK DOWN, BECAUSE WE JUST CHANGED OFFERSES. WE WOULD BEGIN IMMEDIATELY.
THAT GENTLEMAN RIGHT THERE IS DESIGNING THIS IF WE GAIN APPROVAL. THE TIME FRAME WOULD BE, WE ANTICIPATE, 4-6 MONTHS TO HAVE STAFF REVIEW, GO TO HAVE APPROPRIATE, WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT.
WE WOULD HOPEFULLY BE TURNING DIRT WITHIN SIX MONTHS OF B.A.C.
>> I'M FAMILIAR WITH TAYLOR MORRISSON.
I SEEN YOUR PROJECT. JUDGING BY THE ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN. THIS IS NOTHING WITH LAND USE, IT'S JUST A CURIOSITY QUESTION. ARE THESE BUILDINGS BEING BUILT
OF BLOCK OR IS IT WOOD FRAME. >> I COULD TELL YOU, THE DECISION IS MADE AS WE SPEAK. THIS WOULD BE THE SECOND PROJECT FOR TAYLOR OF THE STATE. WE CURRENTLY HAVE ONE GOING IN MANATEE COUNTY AND ARTISAN LAKES.
THOSE ARE CURRENTLY, TO BE BLOCKED.
AND THE CURRENT PLAN IS FOR THEM TO BE BLOCKED.
THAT'S BEING DISCUSSED. >> GO AHEAD.
>> AND I DIDN'T HEAR THIS. IF I MISSED THIS, AND ONE OF YOU ALREADY SAID IT, SORRY. MY QUESTION, ARE THESE GOING TO BE HOMES FOR SALE OR RENTAL PROPERTIES.
>> THESE ARE NEVER TO BE SOLD. >> TOTAL RENTAL PROPERTY.
>> TIS PROJECT, IT WILL NOT BE PLOTTED FOR FEW SIMPLE LOTS.
IT'S HORIZONTAL APARTMENT COMPLEXES, INTENDED TO BE
. >> I WANT TO OPEN, FIRST OF ALL, IS THERE A C.A.C. REPRESENTATIVE? WE HAVE A REPORT IN OUR PACKAGE. IS THERE ANYTHING?
>> I HAVE A COMMENT CARD FROM A CITIZEN.
>> MATT HANKS, 1479 -- I WILL GIVE YOU MY LITTLE SPIEL.
I WAS AT THE MEETING AND I WAS THE ONLY NO VOTE OF THE PEOPLE THAT WERE PRESENT. AND FOR ME, IT'S BECAUSE, THERE'S A LOT OF UNKNOWNS IN QUESTIONS SURROUNDING THIS PARTICULAR VILLAGE CENTER. IS THE ROAD GOING TO BE ALIGNED.
IS THE COUNTY GOING TO BUY THE 6.2 ACRES, RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES IN THE WAY OF PROGRESS TO MAKE THAT? I UNDERSTAND THE APPLICANT'S PROPERTY IS IN ALL ZONE VC.
HER PORCHED SECTION CURRENTLY MAKES HALF OF IT.
WHEN THEY ALIGNED THE ROAD, IT WILL BE ROIDT AND OTHER STUFF, THAT WON'T BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE VILLAGE CENTER.
IN THE RATIOS OF CIVIC PARKS, REQUIRE MINIMUMS OF COMMERCIAL, ET CETERA, ET CETERA. THEY WILL MAXIMIZE THE RESIDENTIAL PORTION. AND MY NUMBERS I GAVE TO THE JUNE 14TH C.A.C. MEETING. SOMEBODY CAME TO ME, ANY OF THE NUMBERS ARE WRONG BUT IT LOOKS WRONG TO ME.
STAFF CHAMS THE ZONING CHANGE -- TO REQUIRE THE DENSITIES CURRENTLY PERMITTED. IF YOU INCREASE THE TOTAL ACREAGE, YOU HAVE MORE PEOPLE THERE.
GRANTED YOU WON'T CHANGE AGENCY, BUT THERE'S MORE ACREAGE, IN VILLAGE CENTER. AND WE'VE BEEN TOLD, VILLAGE CENTER ZONING IS WHAT IS NEEDED FOR THE AREA.
WITH THE P.O.D., IT'S ALL PLANNED OUT AND WHICH IS GREAT AND FIND, BECAUSE IT DOESN'T GIVE THE REST OF THE CITIZENS WHO ALREADY LIVE THERE THE RETAIL SPACE THAT WE WERE
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PROMISED BY VILLAGE CENTER. HE SAYS, THEY WILL COMPLETE THIS AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. AT THE CITIZEN ADVISORY MEETING, THEY HAD NO IDEA WHEN THE RETAIL COMMERCIAL BUILDING WILL BE DONE AND WHO WILL WORK THEY DID ADDRESS THE CONCERN FOR SOME OF THE PEOPLE IN THE COMMITTEE.THAT INCLUDED AROUND THE STORM WATER RESENGS.
I CONDITIONED OF -- LABELING ITS IT.
I'M NOT SUPER '. AND TO ME, IT DOESN'T REALLY MEET AN INTENT OF A PARK, ESPECIALLY WHEN THERE'S NO SPECIFIC PARKING AVAILABLE TO GO TO.
YOU HAVE TO PARK AT THE COMMERCIAL, FIVE ACRE COMMERCIAL AND DEPENDING WHERE YOU WOULD -- AND TO ME, IT DOESN'T REALLY, REALLY FLY. ON THE OTHER SIDE, I HEAR A LOT ABOUT AFFORDABLE WORKPLACE HOUSING.
THEY MENTIONED IT WAS HIGHER END UNTS THAT WOULD COMMAND CERTAINLY A HIGHER PRICE, UPWARDS, 2000, 2500 WAS THE NUMBERS I WAS HEARING. I KNOW I HEARD A LOT FROM COMMERCIALS AND RHETTINGER DISCUSS THAT A LOT.
HAVING THE REST OF THE P.O.D. ISSUE WAS HIGH END.
ARE WE GOING TO ADDRESS THE ACTUAL WORKFORCE, TO ADDRESS, HAVE A PLACE TO LIVE? ALL THOSE THINGS, ALONG WITH THE UNKNOWNS, WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WITH THE OTHER HALF OF THE ZONE PROPERTY? IS SNDBERG ROAD CHANGING? THEY WON'T BE ABLE TO CHANGE THEM AND THEY WILL REQUEST A CHANGE, OH, NOW IT'S LESS THAN TEN ACRES.
MAYBE WE HAVE TO ADDRESS ANOTHER CHANGE.
AND THE TAX PAYING CITIZENS THAT ARE HERE, AREN'T GETTING WHAT WAS BARGAINED FOR THEM, WITH HAVING A VILLAGE CENTER.
>> THE PUBLIC HEARING. I KNOW, THERE WAS A LADY IN THE
BACK, THAT WANTED TO SPEAK. >> YOU HAVE A QUESTION.
>> YOU COULD COME UP, PLEASE?. >> AMY MILLER, 2424 HUMMING BIRD LANE. I'M PART OF THE VILLAGE CENTER ZONING. ON THE MAP, THERE WAS A ZONING AND I WAS CURIOUS TO KNOW, IF THOSE MAPS ARE UP-TO-DATE?
>> NO, THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS DIDN'T APPROVE THAT -- TO CHANGE THE VILLAGE CENTERS SO THAT THEY WERE BASED ON PROPERTY LINES INSTEAD OF KIND OF THE CIRCLE.
>> I GOT A LETTER SHOWING IT WAS APPROVED AND SHOWED THE NEW
YOU RECEIVED -- UNLESS IT'S SOMETHING I'M NOT AWARE OF.
YOU SHOULD HAVE RECEIVED NOTIFICATION, THAT THE BOARD WAS PLANNING TO CONSIDER THAT AS A CHANGE.
WE REGULARLY SEND OUT LETTERS LETTING PEOPLE KNOW WE PROPOSE
FOR YOUR PROPERTY >> I'VE BEEN HEARING A CHANGE, AND IF WE DO BRING IT UP TO THE PROPERTY LINE, INSTEAD OF IT BEING A CIRCLE, THAT WILL AMOUNT TO THE ACRES.
JUST TO THROW THAT OUT THERE. I'M THE PROPERTY AND THE BOTTOM RIGHT-HAND CORNER. IT LITERALLY CUTS MY PROPERTY IN HALF. HALF VILLAGE CENTER AND HALF RULE. WHO WOULD WANT TO BUY SIX ACRES THAT SPLIT IN HALF LIKE THAT. MY OTHER QUESTION, TO MS. CHARLOTTE, WHO IS HEAD OF THE TRANSPORTATION.
>> NO. WE ASK HER TO ANSWER, IF WE
WANT, PLEASE. >> I'M NEW TO THIS.
FORGIVE ME. WITH NINE ACRES PER ACRE, THAT WOULD BRING A MINIMUM 99 CARS RUSSEL ROAD.
WE'RE SO CONGESTED THAT IN RUSH-HOUR, IT BACKED ALL THE WAY TO 17. WHEN THEY ADDED THE TURNING LANE, THAT WAS A NIGHTMARE. I HAVE A REQUEST, TO PLEASE PUT IN THE TURNING LANES FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD BEFORE THE
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CONSTRUCTION OF THE HOUSES BEGIN.TAKE CARE OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE FIRST, BEFORE THE HOUSES AND TO DO THE TURNING LANES WHEN SCHOOL IS OUT OF SESSION, BECAUSE IT MAKES IT DIFFICULT TO GET THE KIDS TO SCHOOL IN THE MORNING AND IT MAKES IT HEAVY AND JUST VERY DIFFICULT TO GET OUT OF HUMMING BIRD LANE. HUMMING BIRD LANE FOR 20 MINUTES, TO GET OUT ON RUSSEL ROAD.
JUST WANTED TO PUT IT OUT THERE. >> THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU, MA'AM. >> DON ALE, 3033 RUSSEL ROAD.
I'M DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM WHAT APPEARS TO BE THE ENTRANCE WHICH, WHO WANTS A MAJOR ENTRANCE ACROSS THE DRIVEWAY. THAT'S 0.1.
AND THEY SAY, IT'S 9 ACRES PER ACREAGE.
SO IT'S LESS THAN THAT. ONE OF MY CONCERNS, I HEARD IT'S GOING TO BE RENTALS. RUMORS GETS STARTED AND IT'S A THREE-STORY THOUSAND UNITS. OTHER CONCERN IS THE STORM WATER. THEY SAID THEY WOULD PROVIDE THAT. MY PROPERTIY HAS A COUNTY DITCH.
THEY HAVE NOT MAINTAINED IN 50 YEARS.
I MAINTAINED IT. UNTIL I TURNED 72.
I FINALLY SAID, I HAVE TO STOP THIS.
I FINALLY DUG MONEY OUT OF MY POCKET.
AND FOR THOSE WHO, IN SAND RIDGE, UNDER HEAVY RAINS, THEY WOULD BE GO UNDER. AND ONE, CLEAN MY DITCH.
THE OTHER IS OVERFLOW TO THE CREEK.
RIGHT NOW, THE DRIVEWAY FOR THE 3034 RESIDENTS THAT THAT IS THERE, THE COVERT THAT'S WENT I INTO. WE'VE SEEN THE HEAVY RAINS AND THIS PROPERTY IS AT THE BOTTOM OF SAND RIDGE SO IT GETS REALLY WET. IF IT GETS SATURATED, THEY WILL HAVE TO THROW IT DOWN THE DITCH. I'LL BE GLAD TO THEY WILL THEM, HOW TO SHOOT SOME OF IT, DOWN TO THE CREEK, WHICH IS ABOUT QUARTER MILE NORTH OF THE PROPERTY.
THAT'S SOME OF MY MAIN CONCERNS. THE OTHER CONCERN, NOT CONCERNED IN THAT PROPERTY, BUT I'VE GOT THREE ACRES YOU HAVE RUN ME OUT.
I'VE BEEN HERE MY WHOLE LIFE. I HAVE THREE ACRES WHICH IS A MOBILE HOME, WHICH IS DIFFICULT FOR SOMEBODY TO FINANCE.
I DID CHECK IN TO CUTTING OFF TWO ACRES.
I'M KIND OF STUCK, BECAUSE I NEED TO HAVE MONEY TO AT LEAST PUT DOWN PAYMENT ON A PLACE, SOMEPLACE ELSE.
THAT'S JUST ONE OF MY THINGS, I'VE SEEN PLANNING, OVER THE YEARS, DEVELOPERS ON THE COUNTY. THEY DO NEED TO ADDRESS THAT.
THE LIGHT THAT WAS IN THE SAND RIDGE IN 209 WAS A GREAT HELP.
THEY WERE DOING ROAD WORK, BUT THEY NEVER PUT IT BACK UP.
THOSE OF US, WHO LIVE NORTH OF SAND RIDGE, IF THEY GO CERTAIN HOURS, WE GO OVER TO LAKE AS BURRY AND WINN-DIXIE.
AND AT 209, SOMETHING HAS TO BE DONE.
LESS THAN A MONTH AGO, THERE WAS A WRECK.
ALWAYS, THERE'S ONE BESIDE ME. THE TRAFFIC IS TERRIBLE.
TERRIBLE. SOMETHING, LIKE THE YOUNG LADY SAID, YOU HAVE TO ADDRESS THE INFRASTRUCTURE BEFORE YOU PUT MORE CARS ON THE ROAD. I MOVED OUT THERE, TO GET AWAY TO THE COUNTRY. IF I WIN THE LOTTERY TONIGHT, I
WOULD BE GONE WITHIN A YEAR. >> THANK YOU.
>> ANYONE ELSE. I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? >> DISCUSSION?
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JA H. >> IT'S ABOUT ROADS FOR ME.
I AGREE WITH THE TRAFFIC ISSUES OUT THERE.
IF YOU HAVEN'T BEEN OUT THERE, IT'S TWO LANE ROADS.
WITH THE AMOUNT OF INTEREST STRUCTURAL BUILDING IN THE AMOUNT OF HOMES, I DON'T KNOW HOW WE'RE GOING TO GET THE TRAFFIC TO MOVE, TO BE PERFECTLY HONEST.
I'VE BEEN STUCK IN THE TRAFFIC, THEY'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT ON 209 AND SAND RIDGE. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A LITTLE ROAD EXPANSION. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S IN THE PLAN, BUT THAT WOULD CERTAINLY HELP.
>> WE DON'T LOOK AT THE ROADS. THAT'S NOT PART OF OUR PREVIEW OR BODY. WHAT WE'RE DOING -- IF THE APPLICANT IS APPROVED, HE'S PROVIDING DENSITY IN THE AREA.
AND THERE'S POTENTIAL WITH THE DESIGN.
WITH KEEPING IN PLACE, THE COMMERCIAL FIVE ACRES.
THE STORM WATER, FOR THOSE WHO DON'T UNDERSTAND OR DON'T KNOW ABOUT STORM WATER ENGINEERING, THE -- THEY HAVE TO CONTROL THE STORM WATER ON THEIR SITE. THAT'S PART OF THE WHOLE PROCESS. WHEN THEY DESIGNED THE LOADS, THEY DESIGNED THEM. I BELIEVE THE -- THEY HOLD THE 100 YEAR FLOOD. FROM THAT STANDPOINT, I WILL SUPPORT THE PROJECT. I THINK IT MEETS THE COUNTIES'S NEEDS. I UNDERSTAND COMMISSIONER'S CONCERN ON THE ROADS. AND THIS IS LAND USE ZONING.
>> I WOULD ASK THE QUESTION, WHY WOULD WE PUT UP SOMETHING LIKE THIS, IF THE SCHOOL DOESN'T NEED IT I WOULD APPRECIATE THAT YOU READ IT AND PUT IT IN THE RECORD.
>> SINCE YOU ASKED, I WAS GOING TO GET THIS IN.
OUR SCHOOL BOARD REPRESENTATIVE IS NOT HERE.
HE DID SEND SOME COMMENTS THAT I WILL READ INTO THE RECORD.
THIS IS FOR PUD2022-06, WHICH IS THE ONE WE'RE DISCUSSING.
THIS ITEM TO THE KNOWLEDGE OF THE SCHOOL BOARD, COME BEFORE THE SCHOOL DESIGN COMMUNITY. ZONE BOARDS, ARE LAKE ASBURY ELEMENTARY, LAKE ASBURY JUNIOR HIGH.
AND ALL THREE SCHOOLS, ARE FILLED, THERE'S CAPACITY FOR THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL AND THE JUNIOR HIGH SCHOOL IN THE CONTINUOUS ZONES BUT IN NOT IN THE HIGH SCHOOLS.
APPROVE REZONING FROM THE AREAS, BY THE SCHOOL BOARD, WOULD BE NECESSARY TO ACCOMMODATE THE ELEMENTARY AND NEW HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS. AND SPRING PARK IS OPENING IN THE FALL OF 2023. AND APPROVAL FOR THE CON CURRENCY WOULD REQUIRE A SHARED AGREEMENT FOR THE HIGH SCHOOL SEAT. AFTER THE COMPLETION OF SPRING PARK ELEMENTARY, THE EXACT DATES ON WHEN TO BUILD, IN THE HIGH SCHOOLS HAS NOT BEEN FINALIZED OR APPROVED AT THIS TIME.
AND IN ADDITION, THE SARATOGA SPRINGS, WILL HAVE TO BE TAKEN INTO THE AREA. BASEDEN THE ELEMENTARY, SCHOOL BOARD DOESN'T RECOMMEND THE APPROVAL OF THE PROPOSED CHANGES DUE TO SUBSTANTIAL MITIGATION EFFORTS, NECESSARY TO SUPPORT AND IN EXSENSE I HAVE ZONE WILL DEVELOP.
>> I THINK BETH ADDRESSED IT AT THE BEGINNING OF THE PRESENTATION. I WANT TO ASK IF SHE HAS
ANYTHING TO ADD. >> IT'S NOT AN INCREASE IN DENSITY. I WILL SAY, WHEN IT GOES TO D.R.C., THAT'S WHEN THE SCHOOL BOARD GIVES THEIR COMMENTS AND TALKS ABOUT THEIR ACTUAL CAPACITY, LIKE THIS.
THAT'S WHEN THEY NEED TO START CONSIDERING THE I AGREEMENT TO ADDRESS THE DEFICIENCIES IN THE SCHOOL SYSTEM.
IT'S NOT REALLY A REZONING ISSUE.
IT'S SOMETHING THAT WILL BE DEALT WITH IN THE DEVELOPMENT
STAGE. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?
>> I HAVE ONE. I MYSELF WAS UNDER A MISCONCEPTION, I THINK. I REMEMBER, WHEN THE OWNER CAME IN AND ASKED FOR THAT VILLAGE CENTER PROPERTY TO BE SQUARED
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OFF. THAT WAS, THAT WAS AN APPLICANT THAT CAME IN AND ASKED FOR THAT. I THOUGHT WE APPROVED THAT.WHEN WE WENT TO THE B.C.C., WE DENIED THAT.
>> ARE YOU REFERRING TO DR. ZONE'S PARCEL?
>> SHE CHANGED THE LANGUAGE BUT DIDN'T CHANGE THE REZONING.
>> AND THAT'S MY QUESTION, I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND.
ONE OF THE MAPS YOU HAD, THE MAP, THE APPLICANT SHOWS MORE SQUARED OFF. I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHICH
ONE IS CORRECT >> THE OTHER PORTION, WHERE IT SHOWS IT AS YELLOW. .
>> THIS YELLOW PORTION IS WHAT CHANGED TO VILLAGE CENTER.
IF WE WERE LOOKING AT THE WHOLE LAND USE.
LAND USE IS SHOWN AS PINK, FOR SHER SHALL.
AND ON THE ZONING MAP, IT'S SHOWN AS RED.
THE ENTIRE AREA, IT'S SHOWN AS PINK.
IT'S KIND OF WEIRD SHAPED NOW. REMEMBER, IT'S A SIX ACRE --
>> AND THE WHOLE PARCELL, IS ALL VILLAGE CENTER.
>> LAND USE, AND NOT -- GOOD ENOUGH.
THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO BE CLEAR ON.
THANK YOU. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, I WILL LOOK FOR A MOTION -- BEFORE WE DO THAT, I DID HAVE ONE OTHER QUESTION. WE LOOKED AT THE CONCEPTIONAL PLAN. THERE IS A COUPLE OF ENTRANCES OFF RUSSEL ROAD. ONE OFF SAND ROAD EVENTUALLY.
AND IN THE LAKE ASBURY MASTER PLAN, THERE'S A THING IN THERE ABOUT CONNECTIVITY IN THE BACK END OF THE DEVELOPMENT.
I'M WONDERING, DOES THIS EXEMPT FROM THAT OR --
>> ADJACENT DEVELOPMENT IS DEVELOPED ALREADY, THEN WE DO EXEMPT THEM FROM THAT. IF IT'S ALREADY DEVELOPED.
IF IT'S NOT DEVELOPED, WE TRY TO MAKE CONNECTIVITY AND CONTINUE ON. THIS HAS ANNABEL NEXT TO IT.
WE DIDN'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, ANNABEL, AT THE TIME, I DON'T BELIEVE ANTICIPATED CONNECTING THIS DIRECTIN.
SO I DON'T THINK WE HAVE A CONNECTION COMING THAT WAY.
>> LEFT DURING THE DRC, IS THE COMMUNITY INVOLVED AGAIN.
SO THE LAKE ASBURY C.R.C. WANTED TO COME AND TALK ABOUT IT, WOULD
YOU CONSULT THEM? >> IT IS A PUBLIC MEETING.
MR. HANDS -- I'M NOT SAYING HER NAME RIGHT.
HE'S ROUTINELY BEEN ATTENDING IN THE LAST SEVERAL WEEKS.
HE RECEIVES AN E-MAIL. YOU GET THE PLANS SENT TO YOU.
IF HE HAS A COMMENT, HE IS WELCOME TO SHARE HIS COMMENTS
WITH US. >> OKAY. ANYBODY ELSE? I'M LOOKING FOR -- DID YOU WANT TO SAY SOMETHING, SIR
>> JUST VERY BRIEFLY TO ADDRESS THE TRAFFIC.
WE HAVE A PRELIMINARY D.R.C. AND IT'S MIMICKING, AND WE COORDINATE, WITH THE SANDWICH ALIGNMENT AS WELL.
WE HAVE SOME DISCUSSIONS WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT.
WE BELIEVE WE HAVE A PATH FORWARD AS WELL.
AND WE WILL ADDRESS IN DETAIL, AS PART THE NEXT PHASE OF DEVELOPMENT, PRETTY MUCH APPRECIATE YOUR VIEW.
>> OKAY. >> ANYBODY WITH A MOTION.
>> I'LL MOVE APPROVAL OF THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION AND REPORT.
>> THE SECOND. >> I'LL SECOND.
>> OKAY. MS. BRIDGMAN AND MR. BOURRE, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION
ON THIS? >> I THINK I HAVE ONE ITEM.
IT'S THIS CONNECTIVITY THING. I REALLY THOUGHT THAT IN THE LAKE ASBURY MASTER PLAN. IDEA, IF YOU WERE DEVELOPING A PARCEL AND THERE'S AN UNDEVELOPED PARCEL NEXT TO YOU, YOU WOULD PROVIDE POINTS TO WHATEVER IN THE PARCELL IN THE
FUTURE? >> YOU ALL CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, ANNABEL IS NEXT TO THIS, RIGHT?
>> OKAY. . >> AND BORDERS US TO THE WEST.
AND THERE'S NO EXISTING INTERCONNECT THAT WE CAN TIE
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>> AND CONNECTION, AND THERE WILL BE PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIONS.
>> AND ANNABEL WAS DESIGNED YEARS AGO.
>> BEFORE THE REQUIREMENT WAS IN PLACE.
>> NOT SURE, BUT IT WAS APPROVED LONG AGO AND IT WAS RESSURECTED.
IT KIND OF SAT AND WAS BROUGHT BACK AND, I JUST, I DON'T THINK
THEY AGREED, YOU KNOW, INCLUDED. >> SEEMS LIKE, WHEN ANNABEL WAS DESIGNED, THEY SHOULD HAVE HAD CONNECTION POINTS PROVIDED.
WE MISSED THAT, IF WE LET THAT GO THROUGH, WITHOUT DOING THAT.
WITH THAT IN MIND, I WILL CALL THE QUESTION, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR TO SUPPORT THE STAFF REPORT, SAY AYE.
>> OKAY, THREE. THIS IS A TIE MOTION.
BECAUSE WE HAD A NO VOTE FROM MR. ANZALONE, MR. NORTON AND MR. DAVIS. SO A TIE VOTE IS -- COURTNEY, IS THAT A NO RECOMMENDATION OR -- IS THE RECOMMENDATION NO OR IS
THERE NO RECOMMENDATION. >> NO RECOMMENDATION.
>> AND THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING. ALL RIGHT.
THIS WILL GO TO THE V.C.C. NEUTRAL, NO RECOMMENDATION, EITHER WAY. AND THIS ONE IS ON THE 23RD? THE 9TH? SO, EVERYBODY, THE V.C.C. WILL HEAR THIS ON THE 9TH. THEIR MEETING STARTS AT 4:00.
ALL THE ZONING STUFF STARTS AT 5:00.
OR SOON THERE AFTER. >> OKAY. .
>> EITHER WAY, I'M GOING TO STAKE OUT.
LET'S DO A TEN MINUTE BREAK HERE.
SESSION, EVERYONE.GO BACK INTO - SO THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS ITEM NUMBER 6. THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER 2022-08. THIS IS A TRANSMITTAL HEARING, TO THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP. CHANGES 1260 ACRES FROM COMMERCIAL AND AG TO M.U. AND M.U. APP, AND ADD A NEW --.
[5. Public Hearing to consider Z-2022-18 (District 4, Comm. Condon) (M. Brown)]
>> ITEM NUMBER 5. PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER Z-2022-18. IT'S A REZONING AT 95 ACRES FROM I.S. TO I.B., WHICH IS INDUSTRIAL SELECT TO INDUSTRIAL
THE APPLICANT IS FRANK SPENCER LIMITED.
AGENT IS MR. FRANK MILLER. THIS IS A REQUESTED REZONING FROM 94.5 ACRES FROM INDUSTRIAL SELECT TO INDUSTRIAL HEAVY.
IT'S COUNTY ROAD 2018 TO 2001. PLANNING DISTRICT, COMMISSION DISTRICT 4. AND THIS IS GOING TO BE HEARD BY THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS ON AUGUST 23RD.
A BACKGROUND PROJECT, CONTAINS THE PORTION OF THREE PARCELS, WHICH IS PRESENTLY VACANT. AS I INDICATED, LOCATED NORTH OF COUNTY ROAD 218 AND EAST OF HIGHWAY 301 AND THE CSX RAIL LINE THAT RUNS AROUND RAIL ONE. FUTURE LAND USE IS INDUSTRIAL.
THE AREA OF THE COUNTY IS ALREADY IDENTIFIED FOR INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT. THE REQUESTED I.B. ZONING IS ALLOWED IN THE INDUSTRIAL FUTURE LAND USE.
AND THE STATED PURPOSE IS FOR THE DEVELOPMENT, NOT THE DEPLOYMENT, APOLOGIZE FOR THE TYPO.
THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE MANUFACTURING FACILITY AT THE LOCATION. THE ZONING MAP TELLS A STORY.
THE OUTLINE, I.S. ZONING, THAT IS SUBJECT TO THE CHANGE.
IF YOU LOOK ALL AROUND TO THE NORTH SOUTH AND EAST, THERE IS ALREADY PROPERTY THAT'S ZONED I.B. IP -- INDUSTRIAL HEAVY.
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THIS IS FILLING IN THE I.B. ZONING IN THE AREA.YOU ACTUALLY HAVE AN INDUSTRIAL FACILITY DIRECTLY TO THE SOUTH ALREADY IN OPERATION. I THINK IT'S A CHIP MAIL PLANT.
AS I INDICATED, THE WESTERN FRONTAGE OF THE PROPERTY HAS DIRECT RAIL ACCESS, SO EASILY TO PROVIDE A SPUR, WHERE MATERIALS COULD BE BROUGHT IN, AND EXISTING RAIL.
AS I INDICATED THE REQUESTED ZONING CHANGES, 94 TO 97 ACRES.
FROM INDUSTRIAL SELECT TO INDUSTRIAL HEAVY.
IT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE CATEGORY.
STAFF REVIEWED THE APPLICATION AND FINDS THE REQUEST IS COMPATIBLE AND CONSISTENT WITH THE PLAN AND STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE RECOMMENDATION, Z22-18.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF?
>> OKAY. THANK YOU. APPLICANT HERE?
OH, MR. MILLER. >> HELLO MY NAME IS FRANK MILLER. MY ADDRESS IS 1 INDEPENDENT DRIVE, SUITE 2300 IN JACKSONVILLE.
THIS IS KIND OF FILL IN THE BOX EFFORT.
THERE IS A BUYER WHO INTENDS TO CONSTRUCT A MANUFACTURING FACILITY ON A PORTION OF THE PROPERTY THAT WAS INDUSTRIAL SELECT. IT'S TYPE OF OPERATION WOULD NOT FIT UNDER INDUSTRIAL SELECT CATEGORY.
IT HAS RAIL. IT NEEDS RAIL FRONTAGE.
IT WAS -- THIS IS PART OF THE PARCEL.
IT'S CONSISTENT WITH WHAT'S AROUND IT.
IT WILL BE A GOOD PROJECT FOR THE COUNTY.
AND I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER WHATEVER QUESTIONS I CAN.
IT'S ONE OF THOSE PROJECT DEALS THAT'S COMING THROUGH THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT GROUP. I'M NOT SURE HOW MUCH DETAIL I
COULD GET AT THIS POINT. >> ANY QUESTIONS?
>> I JUST HAVE ONE. IT'S CURIOSITY.
ANY IDEA, WHY THIS IS I.S. IN THE FIRST PLACE? IS THERE PREVIOUS TALK WITH MIKE ABOUT IT?
>> I THINK I WAS INVOLVED IN THE REZONING, THE LAND USE CHANGE IN REZONING BACK IN 2000-SOMETHING, WHEN THE PROPERTY WAS ACQUIRED.
I CAN'T REMEMBER TO SAVE ME WHY. ALL I COULD REMEMBER, IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN INCORPORATED INTO THE CHIP PLANT THAT WAS THERE.
SOMEHOW IT SURVIVED. THE CHIP PLANT CHANGED IT.
I DON'T HAVE ANY RECOLLECTION. >> I'M GOING TO OPEN TO PUBLIC HEARING. DOES ANYBODY WANT TO SPEAK ON THIS ONE. I WILL CLOSE IT THEN.
>> MOTION TO MOVE THE STAFF REPORT.
>> MOTION FROM MR. -- SECOND FROM MS. BRIDGMAN ALL IN FAVOR OF THE STAFF REPORT, SAY AYE.
[6. Public Hearing to Consider CPA 2022-08; Transmittal of Proposed Amendment to FLUM Changing 1263 Acres from COMM and AG to MU and UF and to Add FLA Policy 1.10.7 (District 5, Commissioner Burke) (E. Lehman/B. Carson)]
>> THANK YOU. >> NOW WE CAN GO TO THE ONE I THOUGHT WE WERE ON. .
>> MR. CHAIRMAN, WITH YOUR PERMISSION, WE WOULD LIKE THE APPLICANT TO DO A PRESENTATION AND FOLLOW-UP WITH STAFF
THIS IS WITH ETM AND HE'S REPRESENTING THE APPLICANT.
>> JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, THIS IS NOT MY IDEA.
>> FOR THE RECORD, DIRECTOR OF PLANNING, AND LOCATED AT 14775 WILLTON ODYSSEY ROAD. THIS IS A CHANGE OF TO THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP, FROM MOSTLY AGRICULTURE AND 40 ACRES OF COMMERCIAL AND MIX USE AND FRINGE IN CONSERVATION.
AND THEY WILL GO THROUGH A SERIES OF SLIDES, TO SEE WHERE THEY GOT THROUGH THE REQUEST. WE WANT TO USE A POLICY, AND IF
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YOU WERE TO TAKE THE MAXIMUM DENSITY, DENSITY ALLOWED IN URBAN, IT WILL BE FAR MORE HOMES THAT IS PLANNED TO DEVELOP HERE.WE WOULD CAP THE NUMBER OF HOMES, 3,000, SINGLE FAMILY, 400,000 SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL SPACE.
ALSO, I KNOW IN THE STAFF REPORT AND RECOMMENDATION, THEY HAVE RECOMMENDED AN ADDITIONAL LANGUAGE, ONE SENTENCE BE ADDED.
BE DONE TO ADDRESS THE SITE AND ARCHITECTURAL STANDARDS.
I JUST WANT TO RAISE THE ISSUE, I TALKED TO STAFF EARLIER TODAY.
ABOUT AGRICULTURAL USE OF THE PROPERTY.
BEFORE THE PROPERTY IS DEVELOPED, WE BELIEVE THE COM PLAN AND LAND USE, ALLOWED FOR THAT.
IT'S NOT REAL CLEAR. WE WOULD LIKE TO ADD ADDITIONAL LANGUAGE TO THE POLICY, THAT WE CAN WORK ON STAFF, BETWEEN NOW AND THE COUNTY COMMISSION TRANSMITTAL HEARING, AS TO THE EXACT LANGUAGE, THAT BASICALLY WILL SAY, AGRICULTURAL USES ARE USED IN THE PROPERTY TODAY, WILL BE ALLOWED TO BE PERMITTED, UNTIL THE TIME, THE PROPERTY IS DEVELOPED FOR THE INTENDED USES.
. >> YOU COULD TELL US WHAT THE
USES ARE TODAY? >> IT'S MAINLY SINGLE USE PLANTATION, HORSE FARM, ROAD CROPS.
THOSE ARE THE MAIN USES THAT I KNOW OF RIGHT NOW.
AND IRVING FRINGE, FOR EXAMPLE, ALLOWS ALL TYPES OF AGRICULTURAL USES. IT GETS A LITTLE BIT QUESTIONABLE, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT DOING A P.U. D. WE WANT TO JUST MAKE SURE THAT'S ON THE RECORD.
. >> I THINK THE MAIN POINT, IT'S IN THE URBAN SERVICE BOUNDARY, AND THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP SERIES, THAT REALLY MEANS THE COUNTY HAS RECOGNIZED, THAT'S A GROWTH AREA FOR THE FUTURE. AND THEY'VE ENCOURAGED THE POLICY, IT ENCOURAGES THE URBAN GROWTH THAT SERVICES THE URBAN AREA, THAT DISCOURAGES THE URBAN SPRAWL IN THE URBAN SERVICE AREA. NEXT SLIDE.
THERE'S A NUMBER OF STEPS. I WANT TO SPEND A LITTLE TIME.
THERE'S A NUMBER OF STEPS WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH.
THIS IS KIND OF FIRST STEP OF THE PROCESS.
THIS IS A TRANSMITTAL, OF THE AMENDMENT.
IT MEANS, THE STATE AGENCIES WILL REVIEW IT FOR THE STATE ISSUES, TRANSPORTATION, ENVIRONMENTAL AND ET CETERA.
THEY WILL COME BACK FOR AN ADOPTION HEARING.
WE WILL HAVE A CONCEPT PLAN. WE WILL SHOW THE GENERAL LOCATION AND EXTENT OF THE LAND USE AND INTENSITY, DENSITY.
WE WILL HAVE SITE AND ARCHITECTURAL STANDARDS AND MANY OTHER DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, GIVES YOU A BETTER PICTURE ON WHAT WILL BE PROPOSED. IF THAT GETS APPROVED, THERE'S ADDITIONAL STEPS WE WILL GO THROUGH.
TYPICALLY IN THE OLD DAYS, IN 2017, BEFORE IT WOULD HAVE BEEN A D.U.I. THAT'S NO LONGER IN EFFECT.
IT'S MORE OF A LOCAL REVIEW PROCESS.
THE NEXT STEP, IF WE WERE TO GET CALL PLAN AND REZONING APPROVAL, IT WOULD BE TO GO GET SOME CURRENCY APPROVAL, PARTICULARLY SCHOOL CONCURRENCY. WE KNOW WE HAVE A COMMENT ON THE RECORD FROM MR. ADDISON, I SPOKE TO HIM BRIEFLY LAST WEEK.
WE KNOW WE'RE GOING TO TALK TO HIM ABOUT LITIGATION OPTIONS.
THOSE ARE, THEY COME FORWARD AFTER THE LAND USE AND THE REZONING. WE CANNOT EVEN SUBMIT UNTIL WE HAVE A LAND USE THAT'S AVAILABLE FOR THE PROCESS.
WE KNOW WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH, WE KNOW WE HAVE TO MITIGATE.
WE KNOW IT'S NOT A CAPACITY. WE KNOW IT'S NOT AN ISSUE FOR THE COUNTY. WE HAVE TO GET TO THE POINT.
WE WILL DO THAT ALONG THE WAY PRIOR TO THE REZONING.
THAT'S A PROCESS THAT REALLY COMES LATER.
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>> NEXT SLIDE. >> THIS IS A LOCATION MAP THAT SHOWS, KIND OF THE ORANGE DASH LINE, IS THE URBAN SERVICE AREA BOUNDARY. IT KIND OF GOES DOWN WEST TO THE SITE THAT'S SHOWN IN THE RED. THE SITE IS LOCATED FROM STATE ROUTE TO THE NORTH AND GOVERNOR RIDE TO THE SOUTH.
YOU COULD SEE PURPLE IS THE -- AND IT'S PLANNED AS A BYPASS AROUND THE CITY OF GREEN COVE SPRINGS.
IT WILL CONNECT WITH U.S. 17 IN THE SOUTH.
WE WILL HAVE THE INTERCHANGE THAT'S IN DESIGN TODAY.
AND HOPE TO BE OPEN IN A COUPLE OF YEARS.
IT WILL CONTINUE, IT SPLITS THE PROPERTY IN HALF AND GOES UP TO STATE ROUTE 16, BANK ROAD NEAR THE FAIRGROUNDS.
JUST WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS, THE AREA IN RED, IS THE PARCELL.
>> THAT'S THE PROPERTY THAT'S SUBJECT TO THIS.
AND THEN, THE BYPASS, ACTUALLY CONTINUOUS FURTHER TO THE NORTH.
THERE'S A PETER CREEK INDUSTRIAL PARK, THAT'S A P.U.D. THAT WILL PROVIDE THE ALTERNATE ROUTE THAT PROVIDES TO THE EXISTING 315, BY SARATOGA SPRINGS. IT WILL CONNECT TO THE FIRST COAST CONNECTURE. IT'S BEING WIDEN FROM 3 TO 4 LANES. AND IT WILL CONNECT TO THE EXPRESSWAY. SO OBVIOUSLY, THE BYPASS WILL BE A SIGNIFICANT BENEFIT. IT PROVIDES NOT ONLY THE INNER GREATER CONNECTIVITY, WHICH IS GOOD TO KIND OF MAXIMIZE TRAFFIC FLOW. IT ALSO HELPS THE TRAFFIC GET ON THE EXPRESSWAY AND MINIMIZES THE IMPACT OF THE COUNTY ROADWAY.
>> AND I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT YOU.
I NEED TO ASK A QUESTION ON THE MAP.
ISN'T THERE AN INTERCHANGE IN THE EXPRESSWAY AND BYPASS IN
GOVERNOR'S PARK >> YES, THERE IS.
>> I'M JAZZED, BECAUSE IT SHOWS THE OTHER ONES ON THE MAP.
THAT ONE DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IT'S AN INTERCHANGE.
WHAT HAPPENED, THE D.O.T. BROUGHT THE RIGHT OF WAY.
IT'S ON THE GOVERNOR'S PART TO DO THE DESIGN AND SET ASIDE THE RIGHT OF WAY, CONSTRUCT THE RAMPS.
>> THERE'S GOING TO BE AN INTERCHANGE THERE.
>> ABSOLUTELY. >> THERE'S AN INTERCHANGE ON
U.S. 17. >> AND THE ONE ON 16.
>> COUNTY ROAD EXTENSION TO THE NORTH AND THERE'S ONE ON HENLEY ROAD AS WELL. WITH THE BYPASS SEES IMPORTANT ROAD. WITH THE OTHER MOBILITY PLANNED IMPROVEMENTS ADOPTED BY COUNTY AND COUNTY TRANSPORTATION PROJECTS, YOU WILL HAVE A PRETTY GOOD PROJECT, ROADWAY STATION, THAT CONNECTS TO THE EXPRESSWAY. THAT WILL HELP MINIMIZE THE IMPACT LONG-TERM ON THE COUNTY ROADWAYS.
SO THIS PLANNED AMENDMENT, WILL ADD ADDITIONAL DEVELOPMENT, THAT WILL HELP PAY FOR THE ACTUAL WIDENING.
LET'S ME BACK UP. GOVERNOR'S PARK IS RESPONSIBLE FOR CONSTRUCTING THE BYPASS. IT WILL BE ESSENTIALLY FOUR LANES, MOSTLY WITHIN THE GOVERNOR'S PARK BOUNDARY.
IT WILL LIKELY BE TWO LANES, CONNECTING SOUTH TO 17 AND TWO LANES CONNECTING THROUGH THE SUBJECT PROPERTY UP TO STATE ROUTE 260. THIS AMENDMENT WILL HELP CONSTRUCT THE BYPASS AND WILL HELP CONSTRUCT IT AS A FOUR LANE DIVIDED ROAD AS TO TWO LANES. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS WHILE ON THE
SLIDE. >> I WAS GOING TO ASK YOU, IF YOU ARE TO BUILD THAT ROAD, BUT YOU JUST ANSWERED THAT.
>> ABSOLUTELY. THIS IS CURRENT ADOPTED FUTURE LAND, AND SPRING BANK ROAD IN THE FAIRGROUNDS, IS THE COMMERCIAL PIECE. THE BALANCE IS AGRICULTURAL.
WE ADDED THE CORRIDOR, THAT GOES THROUGH THE SIDE, WHICH IS REALLY THE ALIGNMENT OF THE BYPASS.
THAT WAS ACTUALLY ACQUIRED BY THE OWNERS TO MAKE SURE THEY HAVE THE CONNECTION TO THE NORTH.
THAT'S ACTUALLY A PARCEL ON THE PROPERTY APRAISER'S MAP.
YOU COULD GET AN IDEA, HOW THAT SETS OUT.
NEXT SLIDE. >> AND IT'S ABOUT 276 ACRES OF
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WETLANDS. IT'S RELATIVELY A DRY SITE AND THE FOUR ACRE COMMERCIAL SITE. IT SHOWS THE PROPERTY OUTLINED IN YELLOW. YOU COULD SEE THE GROUNDS IN SPRING BANK ROAD. THE WHOLE WEST OF THE WEST, DOWN TO THE EXPRESSWAY YOU SEE IN THE CONSTRUCTION HERE, SOUTHBOUNDRY IS GOVERNOR'S CREEK AND ADJACENT TO GOVERNOR'S PARK.THEN TO THE NORTH, IS STATE ROAD 16.
MUCH OF THE GASTAFSON LAND WILL REMAIN JUST TO THE EAST OF THE SITE. WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING FOR FUTURE LAND USE, THE WETLANDS ARE PRETTY WELL DEFINED.
IT'S ASSOCIATED WITH GOVERNOR'S CREEK IN A DIFFERENT TRIBUTARIES TO THEM. YOU COULD SEE A LARGE SYSTEM, ALONG THE WESTBOUNDRY NORTH OF THE EXPRESSWAY, AND THEN ON UP TO STATE ROUTE 16. IT ACTUALLY GOES ABOVE 16 AND IT COMES BACK AND CONNECTS TO GOVERNOR'S CREEK.
NEXT SLIDE. THIS JUST SHOWS THE FLOOD ZONES ARE WITHIN THE WET LAND. NEXT SLIDE.
SO THIS IS THE PROPOSED FUTURE LAND USE MAP.
WE KNOW THAT WE'RE GOING TO PRESERVE THE MAJOR CONTINUOUS SYSTEMS, SO WE'RE PROPOSING A CONSERVATION LAND USE ON THEM.
WE'RE PROPOSING THE MIXED USE, SEPARATED BY CONSERVATION, THE NORTH END OF THE SITE, CLOSEST TO THE EXISTING URBAN AREA, AT THE MAJOR INTERSECTION. THE MIX USE CATEGORY REQUIRES OBVIOUSLY A MIX OF AT LEAST TWO USES, RESIDENTIAL AND NONRESIDENTIAL. THEN THERE'S A RACIAL THAT'S REQUIRED AS WELL. I COULD COVER THAT.
AND THE BALANCE OF THE SITE IS THE URBAN FRINGE.
WE HAVE THE CONSERVATION AND THE MOST DENSE AND INTENSE USES ARE CLOSEST TO THE EXISTING URBAN AREA AT A MAJOR INTERSECTION.
THEN YOU HAVE DECREASE DENSITY AS YOU GO SOUTH.
THIS IS THE ACREAGE MIX FOR THE LAND USE DESIGNATION.
WE HAVE TWO MIXED USE TOTALLING 150 ACRES.
CONSERVATION IS ALL WET LANDS, THE MAJOR WET LAND SYSTEMS. NEXT SLIDE AGAIN, THERE'S A NUMBER OF STANDARDS IN THE PLAN FOR MIX USE CATEGORIES. WHEN WE COME BACK WITH THE P.U.D., WE WILL MAKE SURE IT'S MEMORIALIZE IN THE DESCRIPTION.
EACH OF THE SITES HAS TO BE 75 ACRES OR LESS, LOCATED IN ARTERIAL ROADS AND THEN THE RATIOS, IT'S GOT TO BE MINIMUM OF 100 SQUARE FEET. WE HAVE 4,000 UNITS.
THAT WOULD BE 400,000 SQUARE FEET.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE, WE HAVE A CAP IN THE POLICY.
THERE'S A SERIES IN THE PLAN. MOST OF THEM ARE LOCATED PROXIMITY TO URBAN SERVICE, SCHOOLS, WATER AND SEWER, TRANSIT ROUTES. FIRE PROTECTION.
EMERGENCY SERVICES. WE RUN THE ANALYSIS, IN THE APPLICATION SUBMITTAL. WE ACTUALLY SCORED 130 POINTS AND 100 IS THE MINIMUM. THE COUNTY RECOGNIZED THIS TO BE THE URBAN GROWTH AREA FOR THE FUTURE.
IT'S CONSIDERED TO BE AN INFIELD DEVELOPMENT, LOGICAL EXTENSION FROM THE MORE DEVELOPED AREAS NORTH AND EAST OF THE SITE, NEAR GREEN COVE SPRINGS. THE ALREADY APPROVED, GOVERNOR ARRIVED TO THE SOUTH. MORE IMPORTANTLY, I THINK THIS WILL BE, THIS WILL FACILITATE THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE NORTH BYPASS SEGMENT, SOONER THAN WHAT YOU WOULD GET, THAN HAVING THE GOVERNOR'S PARK MOVE FORWARD. SO THAT, THAT WOULD BE A BIG BENEFIT IN GETTING CONNECTED TO THE EXPRESSWAY.
THE PROPERTY IS REALLY SUITABLE FOR THE PROPOSED USES.
THERE'S A MAJOR RIDGE THAT RUNS THROUGH IT.
THERE'S NO LISTED SPECIES ON THE SITE.
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NONE WERE OBSERVED. AND WE WILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH A PROCESS OF SURVEYING FOR THE RELOCATING THEM, FOR THE GAME AND FISH RULES. WE MEET THE CRITERIA FOR MIXED USE CATEGORY. AND WE'VE GOT THE MOST INTENSE USES IN THE MAJOR INTERSECTION. AND THEN WE DID A TRAFFIC STUDY THAT SHOWED THAT THE AREA ROADWAY SEGMENTS, WILL OPERATE AT AN ACCEPTABLE AREA FOR SERVICE, EXCEPT FOR ONE IN AREA 16, WHICH WOULD OPERATE AT A LOWER LEVEL SERVICE WITH OR WITHOUT THE PROJECT. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WOULD NEED TO BE FIXED ANYWAY. THAT WILL ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. ANY QUESTIONS?I RAN IT FROM THE -- RIGHT AT THE BEGINNING OF THE PRESENTATION, YOU MENTIONED SOMETHING ABOUT THE EXISTING, THERE WAS A HORSE FARM AND A FEW OTHER AGRICULTURAL THINGS GOING ON THERE. YOU SAID, BASED ON YOUR TIME FRAME, OR YOUR TIME LINE, WHAT IS YOUR TIME FRAME OR TIME LINE
ON THE PROJECT? >> THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
SO WE HAVE, WE'RE WORKING WITH CLAY COUNTY UTILITY AUTHORITY.
WE NEED TO GET WATER AND SEWER TO THE SITE.
THAT AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE WATER AND SEWER SERVICES AVAILABLE UNTIL 2025, WHICH IS FINE.
IT TAKES A LONG TIME TO DO DESIGN AND PERMITTING TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS. SO THE EARLIEST WE WOULD BE LOOKING AT STARTING IS PROBABLY, YOU KNOW, MID 2025.
AND THIS IS A 20-25 YEAR PROJECT.
IT WILL TAKE TIME TO DEVELOP. IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE GOING TO PLOT 4,000 HOMES AND BLOW OUT THE SCHOOL SYSTEMS OR ROADS RIGHT AWAY. IT WILL TAKE TIME TO DEVELOP.
>> I HAVE ONE OTHER QUESTION. >> YEAH.
>> YOU HAD MENTIONED ABOUT, YOU CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT CONCURRENCY ABOUT THE SCHOOL SYSTEM, UNTIL THE LAND USE CHANGE HAS BEEN MADE AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.
WHAT IS YOUR PLAN FOR THAT? >> THERE'S A WHOLE CALCULATIONS OF HOW YOU DETERMINE WHAT THE PROPORTIONATE SHARE IS, FOR THE PROJECT. OUR PROPORTIONATE FAIR SHARE.
>> IS THAT IN DOLLARS OR IS THAT IN LAND.
>> THERE'S A NUMBER OF LITIGATION ONYXES TO GET THERE FOR THAT LITIGATION. IT COULD BE IN LAND.
IT COULD BE IN, YOU KNOW, JUST A DEDICATION OF DOLLARS, MONETARY CONTRIBUTION. IT WILL BE BUILDING CHARTER SCHOOL. IT COULD BE BUILDING OTHER FACILITIES. THAT'S A CONVERSATION THAT WE ARE GOING TO HAVE WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT FOR SURE.
WE KNOW WE HAVE TO MITIGATE OUR FAIR SHARE.
>> ANYBODY? >> I HAVE A COUPLE.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE I'M IN THE RIGHT SPOT WHEN I ASK YOU THIS.
THIS IS AROUND LINE 160. IT'S PART OF THE FLUTE POLICY, 1-141. AND IN MY COPY, RESIDENTS MAY NOT EXCEED MAXIMUM 20 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE AND 16 WAS STRUCK THROUGH AND 20 WAS ADDED. IS THAT AN UPDATE THAT DIDN'T GET ACCEPTED OR IS THIS PART OF THE CHANGE IT'S SECTION 10.
I'M TRYING TO, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE PARTICULAR CHANGES.
>> THAT'S IN THE MIX USE MADE WITH SARATOGA SPRINGS.
THAT'S IN THE CHANGE THEY MADE. >> RIGHT, TO THE 20.
>> I THINK THE BCC REJECTED THAT, DIDN'T THEY.
>> I BELIEVE THEY REJECTED THE 20, BUT THEY ALLOWED 16.
DON'T QUOTE ME ON THAT. YOU HAD GONE TO 24 AND THEY
DIDN'T GET TO 20. >> IT'S A STRIKE THROUGH AND AN UNDERLINE. I DON'T KNOW WHICH IS THE CORRECT NUMBER? ARE WE, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT CHANGING AS PART OF THIS, ARE W
WE. >> THIS SAYS, IT'S LIMITED TO
SITES, 90 ACRES OR LESS. >> IT'S RETAINED AT 75.
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IT WAS NOT CHANGED TO 90. >> YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THIS, BEFORE IT GOES TO THE B.C.C. AND THINKING, CLEAN IT UP THEN.
. >> THE OTHER QUESTION, IT'S ALSO IN THE SAME POLICY, SAYS MAXIMUM STRUCTURE HEIGHT IS 5.
AND I THOUGHT WE DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING THAT HIGH.
IF YOU HAD A LINE COPY, IT'S LINE 88.
>> AND LINE LEVELS, IS 88. >> SECTION D.
>> I BELIEVE THEY DID, IN MIX USE, THEY MUST HAVE MADE THAT CHANGE. BECAUSE WE DEFINITELY DIDN'T MAKE THAT CHANGE. SO THAT, DO YOU HAVE A CUR CURRENT -- LET ME SEE IF IT'S STILL IN HERE.
I HAVE AN UPDATE ON THE LAND USE, IN MY BOOK IN HERE.
>> I DIDN'T THINK WE HAVE ANYTHING AT 70 FEET.
>> THAT'S CURRENT POLICY. THAT'S EXISTING.
OBVIOUSLY, YOU WANT TO ENCOURAGE.
>> LOWER. >> WITH MIX USE, YOU WANT TO
ENCOURAGE. >> 70 FEET, THAT'S FIVE LEVELS WELL, IF IT'S ALREADY IN THERE. IT'S ALREADY IN THERE.
I GUESS, THIS WAS ALREADY IN THERE, TOO.
IT TALKS ABOUT, IF YOU HAVE A GARAGE, RESIDENTIAL UNIT BE DESIGNED FROM THE OFFSET OF THE PLANE FROM THE MAIN FACADE, SUCH AS THE DRIVEWAY PARKING DOESN'T IMPED THE SIDEWALK.
WHERE WE HAVE NOT BEEN FOLLOWING THAT ONE.
THAT'S OF COURSE MIXED USE. IF IT'S NOT 25 FEET, IT'S NOT ENOUGH IT'S NOT ENOUGH. THOSE ARE CHANGES THAT WERE ALREADY IN THERE. THE WAY IT WAS IN HERE, IT WAS A
LITTLE CONFUSING. >> YOU ARE REFERRING TO THE
I'M GOING TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
. >> WE'LL GO BACK TO THE STAFF.
>> INCLUDES FUTURE LAND USE AMENDMENT AND THE NEW POLICY CHANGE. COMMISSION DISTRICT 5, COMMISSIONER BOURRE'S DISTRICT. AND THIS IS A TRANSMITTAL HEARING. IT WILL GO TO THE B.C.C.823, THE LAST MEETING OF THE MONTH. WE'LL SEE THE SITE LOCATION.
AGAIN, APPROXIMATELY 1260 ACRES. AND THIS IS THE EXISTING AND THE PROPOSED. AGAIN, REITERATE, THIS IS WITHIN THE URBAN AREA. SCHOOLS ARE DEFICIENT BUT WILL BE ADDRESSED LATER. AND TRAFFIC, WE'VE DISCUSSED THAT AS WELL. PROPOSED POLICY AMENDMENTS, AND MR. -- AND THIS IS -- PROPOSED POLICY WOULD CAP THE AMOUNT OF DEVELOPMENT TO 3,000, SINGLE-FAMILY DWELLING UNITS AND 400,000 SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL.
IT WAS STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION, THERE WOULD BE ADDITIONAL LANGUAGE ABOUT THE P.U.D., WHICH I BELIEVE MR. STAFFORD AGREED WITH THE ACCEPTABLE TO PUT IN. MIX LAND USE, ALREADY REQUIRES A P.U. D. THIS IS STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION AND ACCEPTANCE OF SITE, THROUGH THE PLANNED UNIT, DVELOPMENT OF PROCESS SHOULD BE REQUIRED FOR ANY DEVELOPMENT ON THE SITE.
THAT'S STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION TO ADD TO THE CHANGE THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING. WITH THAT STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE ITEM AND NEW POLICY AS AMENDED WITH FURTHER DISCUSSIONS ON THE APPLICANT, INCLUDING THE CONTINUED AGRICULTURAL-TYPE USES, I BELIEVE.
WE WILL NEED TO DISCUSS THAT FURTHER TO MAKE SURE THAT'S INCLUDED. IN THE SUMMARY, TRANSMITTAL AND
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THE QUOTE IN HERE, PROPERTY LOCATED.IS THAT THE LANGUAGE THAT -- DO WE NEED TO ADD TO THE LANGUAGE
ANYTHING ABOUT THE PUD. >> THIS IS THE PROPOSED POLICY AMENDMENT. IT'S SPECIFICALLY GIVING THE ENTITLEMENT TO THE LOCATION. THERE'S A SECTION IN THE FUTURE LAND USE ELEMENT, THAT HAS CERTAIN LAND USE PROPERTIES WE HAVE ENTITLEMENTS LISTED. STAFFER IS RECOMMENDING, AND INCLUDES THE LAND USE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS.
>> THE PUD. I KNOW WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT.
AND ARE WE TALKING ABOUT DOING ONE PUD FOR THE ACREAGE?
>> ARE WE TALKING ABOUT COMING IN AND DOING PUD'S ON GROUPS OF NEIGHBORHOODS AND WHATEVER. HOW ARE YOU LOOKING AT THAT? THIS IS THE DUI. THERE'S A LOT OF INFORMATION, WHEN YOU DO A DUI. HOW DO YOU SEE THAT PIECE OF THAT HAPPENING. I CAN'T IMAGINE, AS A DEVELOPER, YOU WOULD COME IN AND SAY, I HAVE 1200 ACRES AND HERE'S EXACTLY WHAT I WANT TO DO WITH IT RIGHT NOW.
THROUGH A REVIEW PROCESS, FOR A REAL PARCEL BY PARCELL DETAILS.
YOU WILL LIKELY HAVE THAT. YOU WILL HAVE MORE DETAIL ON WHERE THINGS WILL GO, THE CORRECTAL ROAD SYSTEM LOOK LIKE.
I WOULD THINK, THIS WOULD BE ONE PUD.
THIS IS TWO, JUST BECAUSE OF THE UNIQUE STANDARDS.
MOST LIKELY, ONE SINGLE PUD. WEIGHS THE OTHER.
NO ORR COMMENT I WOULD MAKE, SINCE YOU'RE HERE.
LIKE I MENTIONED IT, LAKE ASBURY, YOU HAVE A LOT OF ACREAGE HERE. WE HAVE TO LOOK AT CONNECTIVITY.
AS OPPOSED TO PUTTING 100 CUL-DE-SACS.
AND IN FACT, YOU HAVE SPRING BANK ROAD IN ONE SIDE.
THERE OUGHT TO BE MULTIPLE EXITS THERE AS WELL.
THIS IS SUITSABLE. WHAT IMPACTS FOR THE NETWORK.
. >> I DON'T SEE A PROBLEM WITH THAT. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S A TAX ISSUE OR HOW THAT WORKS FOR YOU GUYS, BUT ANYTHING THAT KEEPS, YOU KNOW, THE WOODS AS LONG AS POSSIBLE FOR THE WILDLIFE, TO ME, SEEMS, THAT'S A FAIR TRADE-OFF.
IF IT SAVES YOU GUYS SOME TAX MONEY AND YOU DON'T HAVE
WILDLIFE RUNOFF AS. >> ANYTHING ELSE, IF I OPEN THE
PUBLIC HEARING? >> I HAVE ONE.
THE PHRASE, SITE AND ARCHITECTURAL PLANS.
SITE, I UNDERSTAND THAT MUCH THAT WOULD BE PART OF THE PROCESS. WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING FOR AS FAR AS ARCHITECTURAL PLAN REVIEW AND APPR
APPROVAL. >> I BELIEVE THAT'S OPENING THE DOOR FOR KIND OF A UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT, SCENE DEVELOPMENT
OR -- >> I COULD TELL YOU, WHAT WE
MAYBE YOU KNOW. >> THE MIX LAND USE DEVELOPMENT, HAS THE STANDARDS. WE HAVE TO DEMONSTRATE THAT
TOWARDS A MINIMUM. >> OKAY. OKAY. .
>> I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
DOES ANYBODY OUT THERE WANT TO SPEAK ON THIS ONE.
THIS IS A TRANSMITTAL HEARING, SO WE'RE ACTUALLY TALKING ABOUT NOT REALLY APPROVING ANYTHING HERE EXCEPT TO TRANSMIT THIS TO THE STATE. SEEING NONE,LEY CLOSE THE PUBLIC
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HEARING. I WILL JUST READ THE SCHOOL BOARD COMMENTS INTO THE RECORD. WE KNOW ABOUT DESIGN AND REVIEW AND THAT KIND OF THING. SINCE HE TOOK THE TIME TO SEND THEM. THE PROPOSAL SEEKS A FUTURE LAND USE AMENDMENT, TO ACCOMMODATE APPROXIMATELY 4,000 DWELLING.APPROXIMATELY 4,000 DWELLING UNITS THAT CONSISTS OF 3,000 SINGLE FAMILY DWELLINGS. THE DEVELOPMENT USING CURRENT STUDENT GENERATION RATES WOULD YIELD 1293 STUDENTS, CONSISTING OF 669 ELEMENTARY STUDENTS, 204 JUNIOR HIGH STUDENTS.
AND THE ZONE SCHOOLS FOR THE DEVELOPMENT ARE CHARLES A.
BENNETT ELEMENTARY, GREEN COVE JUNIOR HIGH AND CLAY HIGH SCHOOL. ALL THREE SCHOOLS ARE FILLED WITH SEAT RESERVATIONS DUE TO RAPID GROWTH IN THE AREA.
IN ADDITION, GOVERNOR'S PARK, IN 6300, AND 2100, AND TIME FRAME, TO BUILD AND TIME NEW SCHOOLS, HAS BEEN CONSIDERED.
AND A PROPORTION OF THE CHAIR, MITIGATION AGREEMENT WILL BE NECESSARY FOR CONCURRENCY APPROVAL AND BASED ON THE ANALYSIS OF CURRENT ENROLLMENT AND CONCURRENCY, CLAY COUNTY SCHOOLS, DOESN'T RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE PROPOSED CHANGES, DUE TO THE SUBSTANTIAL MITIGATION MEASURES NECESSARY FOR CONCURRENCY, THE DEVELOPMENT WOULD OCCUR IN THE CURRENT ZONE SCHOOLS. SO AND WE KNOW ABOUT THE DEVELOP
AM REVIEW PROCESS. >> ARE YOU OPEN AND CLOSE?
>> IT'S UP TO THE BOARD FOR A MOTION.
HEARING ANY OTHER QUESTIONS YOU GUYS MAY HAVE?
>> MOVE FOR APPROVAL. >> ESTER DAVIS MOVES FOR A STAFF
RECORD. >> SECOND FROM MR. ANZALONE.
ANY MORE DISCUSSION. SEEING NONE, I'LL CALL IT.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. >> AYE.
>> ANY OPPOSE? OKAY. THANK YOU.
OH, WE HAVE ONE MORE. HERE WE GO.
[8. Public Hearing to consider LDC 2022-13 to add Manufactured Homes as a Permitted Use in BF RS. (M.Brown)]
OKAY. NUMBER 8. PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER L.D.C.2022-13 TO ADD MANUFACTURED HOMES AS A PERMITTED USE IN BRANAN FIELD RURAL SUBURB.AND IT'S COUNTY INITIATED AMENDMENT, IN BRANAN FIELD
SUBURBS. >> MR. CHAIRMAN, AS LAST ITEM IN YOUR AGENDA AND DEVELOPMENT CODE 2022-13.
AS A CHAIRMAN, COUNTY INITIATED CHANGE TO ADD MANUFACTURED DWELLING UNITS AS A PERMANENT USE ON PARCELS WITHIN THE BRANAN FIELD RURAL CATEGORY. FIRST READING, AND FIRST MEETING WILL BE AUGUST 9TH. THE FIRST READING WILL BE AUGUST 23RD. SOME BACKGROUND ON THIS REQUEST, BAN -- BRANAN FIELD, AND IT'S SET FORTH IN THE MASTER PLAN THE REAL SUBURBS ARE INTENDED TO MAINTAIN THE CHARACTER OF THE AREA. DEVELOPMENT IS CHARACTERIZED BY LARGER LOTS, FIVE ACRES BY WELL AND SEPTIC.
PRIOR TO THE BRANAN FIELD MASTER PLAN, THESE AREAS WERE DESIGNATED, AGRICULTURAL AND AGRICULTURAL RESIDENTIAL MUCH THE AGRICULTURAL RURAL CONCEPT CARRIED OVER FROM THERE.
AND UNDER THE MASTER PLAN, BRANAN FIELD SUBURBS ALLOWS SINGLE FAMILY DWELLINGS. THE DEFINITION IN LANDING DEVELOPMENTAL CODE FOR SINGLE-FAMILY DWELLING, STATES THAT ARE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED TO INCLUDE MOBILE HOMES, TRAVEL TRAILERS, HOUSES MOUNTED ON MOBILE VEHICLES AND OTHER FORMS OF TEMPORARY HOUSING, WHICH INCLUDING MANUFACTURED HOUSING.
THIS MAP SHOWS YOU, IF YOU COULD SEE IT PURPLE OUTLINES THE ENTIRE MASTERFIELD AREA. THE AREA WEST OF BRANAN FIELD IN
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THE TAN COLOR ARE THE ACRES THAT ARE DESIGNATED RURAL SUBURBS, BRANAN FIELD RURAL SUBURBS. THERE'S A TOTAL OF 230, 3,320 ACRES. 1230 ACRES ARE IN THE EXISTING SUBDIVISION. AND THAT LEAVES A TOTAL OF TODAY, ABOUT JUST OVER 1,000 ACRES, SUBURBS THAT ARE NOT WITHIN EXISTING SUBDIVISIONS AND WILL BE IMPACTED, POTENTIALLY IMPACTED BY THE PROPOSED COCHANGE.AND JUST, OF THAT 1,000 ACRES OF 157 ARE VACANT OF THOSE 1,090 ACRES, RURAL SUBURBS, NOT WITHIN EXISTING SUBDIVISIONS.
THERE'S BEEN A SIGNIFICANT INCREASE IN HOUSING COSTS IN THE COUNTY. AND AS THE PRICE FOR HOUSING CONVENTIONAL HOUSING HAS INCREASED, THERE'S AN INCREASED DESIRE. WE'VE SEEN A BIG PUSH FOR ADDITIONAL MANUFACTURED DWELLING UNITS.
AND THERE IS, I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT, THERE'S A TECHNICAL DIFFERENCE DEFINITION BY HUD BETWEEN MOBILE HOME AND MANUFACTURING. AND IF WE NEED TO GET INTO THAT, I COULD GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF IT. THERE IS A LOT OF -- WHEN THEY ARE ACTUALLY BUILT AND CONSTRUCTED.
THERE'S A CHANGE IN 1976 ON THE STANDARDS.
ANYTHING AFTER THAT, IS MANUFACTURED, PRIOR TO IS MOBILE. THE PROPOSED CHANGE IS PROVIDES AN OPPORTUNITY TO EXPAND THE USE OF MANUFACTURED UNITS AND IN AREAS OF THE COUNTY WITH A MORE RURAL SETTING AND THE LARGER LOTS, WHERE THERE'S ALREADY AN EXISTING MIX OF SINGLE FAMILY AND MANUFACTURED, BECAUSE OF THE CHANGE, NOT A LOT BUT THERE ARE A NUMBER OF PARCELS AND MANUFACTURED UNITS IN PLACE WHEN BRANAN FIELD WAS ADOPTED. AND EVEN IN AREAS WITH RURAL SUBURBS. THOSE ARE ALLOWED TO CONTINUE WITH THOSE MANUFACTURED UNITS. NEW DEVELOPMENT HAS BEEN REQUIRED TO GO TO CONVENTIONAL SINGLE FAMILY DWELLINGS.
WE HAVE A MIX IN THE AREAS, ESPECIALLY THE RURAL SUBURBS OF A REAL MIX CONTINUES TO BE IN THE AREAS OF THE TWO TYPES OF HOUSING. PRESENTLY, MANUFACTURED HOMES ARE ALLOWED IN THE AG, AGRICULTURAL RESIDENTIAL REAL ESTATE AND, OF COURSE, RESIDENTIAL MOBILE HOME PARKS.
TO LIMIT ONE OF THE THINGS, WITH STAFF RECOGNIZES, YOU HAVE A LOT OF EXISTING DEVELOPMENT. A LOT IN SUBDIVISIONS, THAT WAS BUILT WITH CONVENTIONAL UNITS. THEY MAY NOT BE TOTALLY BUILD OUT. AND ALLOWING A BLANKET ABILITY OF MANUFACTURED HOUSING TO COME IN, WHERE YOU MAY HAVE A SUBDIVISION THAT HAS TWO OR TREE EMPTY LOTS TO BRING IN MANUFACTURED UNITS ON THE LOTS WOULD CREATE THAT STAFF BELIEVES A SIGNIFICANT CONFLICT. AS PART THE CHANGE, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING ALSO THAT WE WOULD CONTINUE THE PROHIBITION OF MANUFACTURED HOUSING IN THE BRANAN FIELD SUBURBS, IN THE EXISTING SUBDIVISION. THAT WOULD STILL BE LEFT OUT.
THAT'S WHY I HAD THE ACREAGE BREAKOUT OF THOSE ACRES THAT WOULD BRANAN FIELD REAL SUBURBS THAT WERE NOT IN EXISTING SUBDIVISIONS, WHICH IS JUST ABOUT 1,000, JUST A LITTLE OVER 1,000 ACRES. SO HERE'S THE WORDING THAT WOULD BE PROPOSED. JUST ADDING, YOU KNOW, TO THE SINGLE FAMILY DWELLINGS OR MANUFACTURED HOMES AND INCLUDING THE WORDING THAT WOULD MANUFACTURING HOMES WOULD STILL BE PROHIBITED IN RECORDED SUBDIVISIONS.
STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE PROPOSED CHANGE AS I JUST
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OUTLINED. AND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, WILLING TO ATTEMPT TO ANSWER THEM.>> YOU HAVE ONE? YOU HAVE ONE.
>> I JUST NEEDED A BETTER UNDERSTANDING WHAT A MANUFACTURING HOME IS AS OPPOSED TO A MOBILE HOME?
>> THEY ARE BOTH FALL UNDER HUD STANDARDS, AND NOT UNDER FLORIDA STANDARDS. MOBILE HOME BASED ON THE HUD DEFINITION. MOBILE HOME WAS CONSTRUCTED PRIOR TO 1976. MANUFACTURER WAS AFTER 76.
THAT'S, THAT'S THE HUD DEFINITION DIFFERENCES.
IT'S REALLY A TIMING. THERE WERE CLEARLY, CLEARLY, WHEN THEY MADE THE CHANGES, THERE WAS SOME STANDARD, CONSTRUCT STANDARD CHANGES THAT I CAN'T EXPLAIN BECAUSE -- I
COULD TELL YOU SOME OF IT. >> IS THAT WHY ON LINE 158, WE STILL PROHIBIT MOBILE HOMES, IN CASE SOMEONE DRAGS ONE IN? THAT WAS MANUFACTURED BEFORE A CERTAIN DATE?
>> THAT'S IT. >> AND I HAD A QUESTION AS TO WHETHER A MANUFACTURED HOME IS ALWAYS A MODULELAR HOME?
>> MODULAR IS EVEN A DIFFERENT USE BECAUSE MODULAR IS CONSTRUCTED UNDER THE FLORIDA BUILDING CODE.
>> THAT'S SOMETHING DIFFERENT. >> GOING DOWN THE ROAD, IF YOU'RE BEHIND IT, THEY LOOK THE SAME.
BUT MODULAR ARE BUILT TO FLORIDA BUILDING CODE STANDARDS.
AND HAS BEEN INTERPRETED TO FALL INTO THE SINGLE -- THE SINGLE
FAMILY DEFINITION IN THE CODE. >> MAYBE I COULD ASK IT THIS WAY. IS THE MANUFACTURED HOME ALWAYS
IN ONE PIECE FOR TRANSPORT? >> I CAN'T SAY THAT THEY ARE ALWAYS. THEY ARE NOT ALWAYS MORE THAN ONE PIECE. I GUESSED THAT THEY PRIMARILY, USUALLY ARE, BUT NOT NECESSARILY.
>> THANK YOU. >> I THINK THE BEST WAY TO LOOK INTO IT, MARY, IS THAT, MODULAR HOMES ARE FACTORY BUILT HOMES THAT'S DESIGNED TO GO ON A PERMANENT FOUNDATION.
THEY BRING THEM IN LIKE BUILDING BLOCKS AND PUT THEM IN PLACE.
THEY ARE BUILT TO THE BUILDING CODES.
MANUFACTURED HOMES ARE BUILT ON A METAL FRAME, TYPICALLY.
AND THEY CAN BE TRANSPORTED AND THEY CAN BE SET UP LIKE BLOCKS AND THAT KIND OF THING. AND THEY DON'T, THEY DON'T FALL UNDER THE FLORIDA BUILDING CODE, BUT FOR EXAMPLE, THE OLDER ONES, LIKE YOU WERE ASKING ABOUT, PETE.
SOME OF THE OLDER ONES THAT PREDATE THE CHANGE HAD 2X2 EXTERIOR WALLS ON THEM. EXTERIOR WALLS WERE BUILT 2X2'S.
AND TRUST ROOFS AND A LOT OF CHANGES, THAT MADE IT MORE SUBSTANTIAL STRUCTURES. THEY STILL HAVE TO BE -- THEY ARE STILL BUILT ON A FRAME THAT HAS TO BE ANCHORED TO THE GRO GROUND.
>> YOU COULD GET BACK TO THE SLIDE, WITH THE ACREAGE? BECAUSE WHAT I'M TRYING TO -- IS IT 1020 ACRES, AND OF COURSE, THAT ACREAGE WOULD DROP IF WE PLANTED A SUBDIVISION.
THE 170 ACRES, IT'S JUST VACANT PROPERTY WITH NOTHING ON IT.
DROP. >> THE 157, IS THAT INCLUSIVE IN
THE 1,000. >> THE 157, IS WHAT'S OUT OF THE
1,000 THAT'S VACANT. >> LET ME OPEN UP -- LET ME JUST OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. I ACTUALLY HAVE A CARD ON THIS ONE. JESSICA FIELDS, YOU HAVE BEEN SO PATIENT. YOU COULD TALK FOR AS LONG AS
YOU WANT. >> THANK YOU, MY NAME IS JESSICA FIELDS. WE LIVE AT 1062 GRANGER DRIVE IN JACKSONVILLE. WE THANK YOU MR. BROWN, AND MS. STEWART. THEY'VE BEEN A LOT OF HELP FOR ME. WE ACTUALLY PURCHASED LAND IN MIDDLEBURG. OUR PLAN IS TO HAVE A MANUFACTURED HOME ON THE LAND. WE WERE EXCITED BECAUSE IT SEEMED TO BE OUR ONLY AFORBEDABLE OPTION.
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WE NEED TO POF AND WE NEED TO MOVE SOON.OUR LANDLORD NEEDS TO SELL EVEN THOUGH WE'VE BEEN IN THE HOUSE FOR A LONG TIME. WITH THE CRAZY MARKET, THEY CAN CASH IN. AS YOU KNOW, THE PRICES ARE INSANE FOR BUYING A HOUSE. SO WE WERE TOLD BY THE COUNTY AND THE SELLERS OF THE PROPERTY ACTUALLY WERE TOLD, IT WAS ZONED FOR MANUFACTURED HOMES. WE BOUGHT THE LAND.
IT TURNS OUT, WE DISCOVERED, IT WAS UNDER THE BRANAN FIELD FLOOD ZONE. SO WE COULDN'T PROCEED WITH OUR PLANS. NOW WE HAVE LAND THAT'S JUST SITTING THERE. WE CAN'T PUT THE HOME THAT WE HAD INTENDED. AMENDING THIS ZONING OF ALLOWING THE MANUFACTURED HOMES IN THE AREA WOULD GREATLY HELP OUR FAMILY. WE HAVE ACTUALLY 11 CHILDREN.
>> THANK YOU. >> SO SQUARE FOOTAGE IS A PREMIUM TO US. SO YOU KNOW, JUST BUILDING IS OUT OF THE QUESTION FOR THE SIZE HOME WE WOULD NEED.
HAVING A MANUFACTURING HOME, YOU WOULD RECEIVE MORE SQUARE FOOTAGE THAN A SITE BUILT HOUT. I KNOW IT WOULD ALSO HELP OTHER FAMILIES, NOT JUST US AS WELL. THIS PROPERTY THAT WE PURCHASED, IS ACTUALLY, IT'S IN THE RURAL PART.
IT'S ON A PRIVATE DIRT ROAD WITHIN CLAY COUNTY.
AND TO KIND OF ADD ABOUT THE MODULAR DIFFERENCE, THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENCES WITHIN THE WHOLE MANUFACTURED SIDE OF IT AND THE MODULAR SIDE. IT DEPENDS ON THE COMPANY YOU GO WITH. SOME MOD DAR HOMES ARE BUILD.
MODULAR HOMES, THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT KINDS.
ONE COULD BE PUT IN A PERMANENT FOUN FOUNDATION. I ALWAYS GET IT WRONG.
ONE COULD BE PUT ON A MANUFACTURING HOME -- I'VE DONE A LOT OF RESEARCH ON THIS. I WANT TO SAY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR LISTENING TO US. THANK YOU TO MR. BROWN.
HE'S BEEN A GOD SEND TO THE JOURNEY AND MS. STEWART AS WELL.
ALL RIGHT. CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
BRING IT BACK FOR ANY DISCUSSION.
I DO HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF, THOUGH . MIKE I KNOW WE'RE LOOKING AT MAKING THIS A PERMITTED USE. ARE WE LETTING IT GO WITH THAT? WE'RE NOT REQUIRING LIKE SKIRTING OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT?
>> THAT'S ELSEWHERE IN THE CODE SO THAT WOULD COME INTO PLAY
>> ALL RIGHT. ANYBODY HAVE A MOTION OR
DISCUSSION. >> MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE.
MS. TRANS ALONE. ALL IN FAVOR, STATE AYE? ANY OPPOSE? OKAY. IT WAS WORTH THE WAIT.
I WILL POINT OUT, SINCE WE DONE THIS, I THINK THEY ARE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE REALLY ANTI-MANUFACTURED HOUSING.
IF ANYBODY THINKS IT'S AN AFFORD OPTION, THEY HAVE TO LOOK AND SEE WHAT THEY ARE GOING FOR. I LIVED IN ONE OR TWO FOR 16 YEARS. I DON'T HAVE A REAL BIAS AGAINST THEM BUT THEY ARE NOT CHEAP. WHEN YOU GET IN THE DOUBLE WIDES, WE USED TO BUY A HOUSE FOR WHAT YOU COULD BUY A DOUBLE WIDE. ALL RIGHT.
ALL RIGHT. WE'VE GOT -- I KNOW YOU GUYS STAYED A LONG TIME. IF YOU WANT TO GO AHEAD AND GO, IF YOU WANT TO SIT AND WATCH, THAT'S FINE, TOO.
THANKS FOR COMING AND THANKS FOR BEING PATIENT WITH US.
I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND DO THE LAST PUBLIC COMMENT.
[Old Business/New Business]
SINCE I DON'T SEE ANYBODY HERE, CARDS, CLOSE THAT ONE.OLD BUSINESS, NEW BUSINESS. UNDER OLD BUSINESS, MR. NORTON YOU HAD SOMETHING YOU WANTED TO ASK FOR THAT WE DIDN'T GET YET.
>> IT'S FROM EARLIER DISCUSSIONS, HAVING THE ABILITY -- EARLIER DISCUSSIONS WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SOME OF THE QUESTIONS ON TRANSPORTATION AND ROADS, A LOT OF THAT INFORMATION IS AVAILABLE THAT PARTICULARLY THROUGH THE TRANSPORTATION COUNCIL, THAT THE COUNTY HAS, THE TECHNICAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE, IT COULD BE MADE AVAILABLE TO US WHEN WE'RE HAVING SOME OF THE DISCUSSIONS. FOR EXAMPLE, THAT ONE TIME, WHEN
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CHERREESE YOU GAVE US THE COUNTY MAP.AND FOR FUTURE DISCUSSIONS, WHEN WE'RE HAVING THE DISCUSSIONS LIKE TONIGHT, HAVING THOSE AVAILABLE, WOULD SAVE A LOT OF
TIME. >> MY COMMENT TO THAT A, WE HAVE A WHOLE BOND OF TRANSPORTATION. WHAT DOES -- DASHBOARD.
WE HAVE A DASHBOARD, YOU COULD GO ON THERE DAILY, WEEKLY.
WE CAN SIGN UP TORE E-MAILS. THAT'S ON OUR WEBSITE.
YOU COULD GET ALL YOU WANT ON THE TRANSPORTATION PROJECTS.
AND A LOT OF THAT STUFF IS ON OUR WEBSITE.
>> WHAT DO YOU SEARCH FOR C CHERREECE.
>> WHEN YOU GO IN, YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO SEARCH TO GOOGLE.
YOU COULD GO TO SEARCH, AND PUT BONDED TRANSPORTATION PROJECT.
IT SHOULD POP UP AS A LINK. IF NOT, YOU COULD PHYSICALLY GO IN THERE AND SIGN UP. HE'S GOT THIS FANCY DASHBOARD.
IT'S A FANCY SMANSY THING. THAT'S THAT PIECE OF IT.
THERE'S A LOT OF MAPS. I MEAN, WE CAN, THE G.I.S.
DEPARTMENT DOES A PRETTY DARN GOOD JOB OF KEEPING IT UPDATED ON THE ARM. THAT'S WHAT I WOULD SAY, IT'S A BEST TOOL, BECAUSE IT MAY CHANGE FROM MEETING TO MEETING.
I WOULD SUGGEST, IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING AND YOU KNOW THEY ARE GOING TO TALK ABOUT TRANSPORTATION, THE WEEK OR SO BEFORE THE MEETING, GO LOOK AT THE MAPS AND SEE IF THEY HAVE A NEWER MAP ON THE WEBSITE. THAT'S PROBABLY THE BEST WAY TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU GUYS HAVE THE MOST CURRENT INFORMATION.
WE DON'T ALWAYS HAVE THE MOST CURRENT INFORMATION.
G.I.S. IS PRETTY DARN GOOD. THAT'S PROBABLY THE BEST THING
TO GETTING THE MOST UP-TO-DATE. >> THANKS.
>> AND JUST REMIND EVERYBODY, SEPTEMBER 6TH, WHICH I THINK IS THE NEXT MEETING, WE WILL START AT 4:30.
WE WILL DO A WORKSHOP WITH THE FOLKS LOOKING AT REDOING THE L.D.R.'S SO I WOULD SUGGEST THAT YOU WRITE DOWN AND BRING WITH YOU A LIST OF ANYTHING YOU WANT THEM TO TAKE A LOOK AT.
>> WE'LL SEND IT TO STAFF BEFOREHAND.
BECAUSE WE MAY BE ABLE TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE ITEMS, AS WE'RE STILL DRAFTING. ESPECIALLY ARTICLE VII WITH THE SIGNS THAT WILL CONCENTRATE MORE WITH THE SIGNS, SEPTEMBER MEETING WORKSHOP. AND THE ABOUT. C.C., WE WILL MAKE IT A JOIN WORKSHOP. THE B.C.C. WILL BE INVITED TO JOIN YOU ALL. WHETHER THEY WILL DO OR NOT,
THAT'S TOTALLY UP TO THEM GUYS. >> AND THAT'S MAINLY ABOUT
SIGNS, NOT THE OTHER STUFF? >> MAINLY.
IF YOU HAVE THE OTHER STUFF, SEND IT.
RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE A TENTATIVE DATE AS THE NOVEMBER PLANNING COMMISSION ROUTE, SAME SPILL, 4:30 AND THAT WILL BE MORE ON THE ZONING. BUT, I MEAN, BRING WHAT YOU GOT.
THEY WILL ASSUME, WGI WILL LEAD THE CONVERSATION.
THAT'S HOW I'VE DONE IN THE OTHER WORKSHOPS, THAT SOME OF YOU GUYS HAVE ATTENDED. SO I'M SURE YOU COULD ASK WHAT QUESTIONS YOU COULD ASK BUT YES. SO.
>> OKAY. THE OTHER THING, I WANTED TO MENTION, BECAUSE IT CAME UP TONIGHT, AND I THINK SOME OF YOU KIND OF CHANGED THE POLICY ON. BUT I THINK ANY TEXT AMENDMENTS WE WILL DO, NEED TO GO TO THE C.A.C.'S.
IF IT'S COUNTY WIDE, SEND IT TO ALL OF THEM.
LET THEM LOOK AT IT AND SEE WHAT THEY THINK ABOUT IT.
TEXT AMENDMENTS ARE REAL PROBLEM FOR US, I KNOW FOR ME.
THEY FREQUENTLY HAVE A WIDE REACHING IMPACT.
NOBODY KNOWS ABOUT THEM. THERE'S NO, OTHER THAN THE NOTICE THAT GOES IN THE PAPER, THERE'S NO SIGNS, NOTHING ELSE TO GET ANYBODY'S ATTENTION. SO I THINK WE SHOULD BE DOING THAT. THE OTHER THING IS FOR THE C.A.C., I NOTICED TONIGHT, WE HAD A COUPLE OF THINGS IN LAKE ASBURY AND WE HAD A COUPLE OF THE MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE HERE. THE CHAIR, HE WASN'T HERE, WHEN YOU WERE CHAIR OF FLEMING ISLAND, YOU GAVE US A SYNOPSIS OF YOUR MEETING AND WHAT THE RECOMMENDATION IS.
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I THINK THAT HAS TO BE STRESSED TO THE COMMITTEES, WHEN THEY HAVE A RECOMMENDATION. THE CHAIRMAN ON THE COMMITTEE NEEDS TO BE HERE OR THEIR DESIGNEE SO WE GET A PROPER REPORT FROM THE COMMITTEE. AS A CHAIR, IT THEY VOTE 10-4.AND THIS IS WHAT THEY THOUGHT AND GET AN OVERVIEW OF THE THOUGHT PROCESS. .
>> ANYBODY ELSE WANTS TO TALK ABOUT?
JUST WANT TO GO HOME, DON'T YOU? >> HAVE AN EARLY DAY TOMORROW.
>> ALL RIGHT. I GUESS WE'RE ADJOURNED.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.