[CALL TO ORDER] [00:00:05] >> OKAY LET'S CALL BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS WORKSHOP FOR JULY 26TH TO ORDER. THIS IS OUR BUDGET WORKSHOP. LET THE MINUTES SHOW ALL COMMISSIONERS ARE PRESENT AND [PUBLIC COMMENTS] ACCOUNTED FOR. START BY OPENING PUBLIC COMMENT. THIS IS YOUR CHANCE TO TALK TO US, TELL US ANYTHING YOU WANT. THREE MINUTES. NO TAKERS? I AM SEEING SQUIRMS. I DON'T SEE ANYBODY STANDING UP. I THINK PATRICK IS TRYING TO FINISH HIS CARD. >> GOOD MORNING. >> MORNING COMMISSIONERS. MY NAME IS PATRICK HAIL. CEO OF MERCY SUPPORT SERVICES. TODAY WE ARE HERE UM, HOPING TO HEAR SOME MORE ABOUT THE ARPA FUNDS THAT MIGHT BE AVAILABLE SO WE ARE UM, BUILDING SOME APARTMENTS AT MERCY AS WE HAVE LOOKED AT WHAT IS GOING ON IN OUR CITY AND IN OUR COUNTY. RECOGNIZING THAT THERE ARE MANY, MANY MORE PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT FINDING A PLACE TO LIVE AND WORK WHO ARE COMING TO US ON A REGULAR BASIS. WE HAVE A GREAT VISION OF BUILDING A 65-APARTMENT COMPLEX TO HELP SOME OF THOSE PEOPLE WHOM WE HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH FOR MANY, MANY YEARS. IT IS VERY, VERY DIFFICULT TO BE TAKING CALLS ON A REGULAR BASIS AND NOT BEING ABLE TO SATISFY NEEDS COMING TO US, DIFFICULT FOR STAFF MEMBERS TO TURN AWAY PEOPLE EVERYDAY SAYING WE DON'T HAVE ANY RESOURCES TO HELP YOU. AND SO WE HAVE TAKEN THE GREAT STEP TO HELPING HELPING PEOPLE HAVING A DIFFICULT TIME MAKING ENDS MEET. SOME CAN'T MAKE ENDS MEET. IT IS DIFFICULT. WE WANT TO HELP THEM, SHOW THEM THERE IS A WAY TO DO THIS. THERE ARE MANY JOBS OUT THERE NOW AS YOU GUYS KNOW. IT IS YOU CAN'T -- PEOPLE TO WORK. WE ARE TRAINING PEOPLE HOW TO WORK, HOW TO HOLD ON TO JOBS AND TAKE CARE OF THEIR FAMILIES AND THEMSELVES WORKING AND WORKING HARD. THAT IS WHAT WE ARE PROPOSEING TO DO WITH THIS MERCY VILLAGE. WE ARE HOPING YOU WILL HELP SUPPORT US. >> THANK YOU, PATRICK, ANY QUESTIONS? >> MAY RECALL SEEING PROPOSAL I THINK BOB COWY. THAT IS WHAT THEY ARE PROPOSING AND ASKING IN TERMS OF ARPA FUNDS AT THIS TIME. OKAY. ANYONE ELSE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? HERE WE GO, CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT. [1.  Revenue Streams] BRING IT BACK TO THE STAFF, FIRST ITEM, NO. 1, REVENUE STREAMS. DEBBIE, TAKE IT AWAY. >> GOOD MORNING. TODAY WE ARE GOING TO DISCUSS REVENUE STREAMS BRIEFLY. WE'LL TALK ABOUT ADD VA LOR RUM PROJECTIONS, GENERAL FUND REVENUE AND FUND BUDGET, CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN AND RESCUE PLAN. SO FOR ADD VA LOR RUM, WE WORKED IT OUT TO STAY WITH THE CURRENT MILLAGE 8.601 SORRY, 010. AND WE HAVE ALLOCATED THE MILLAGE DIFFERENTLY TO PROVIDE FUNDING FOR UNINCORPORATED MSGU TO HELP THAT FUND OUT. WE STAYED WITHIN THE 8.601. EVERYTHING ELSE ALLOCATION WISE REMAINED THE SAME. THEN WE'LL MOVE ON TO FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE ESTIMATES. [00:05:03] THEY PROVIDE US FOR NEXT YEAR'S REVENUE. FOR THIS SLIDE LOOKING AT 4.5 MILLION DOLLAR LOWERM ESTIMATE,I BELIEVE PREPARING FOR THE RECESSION WE ALL HEARD ABOUT, TALKED ABOUT. I HAVE LISTED ON HERE WHICH FUNDS SUPPORT WHICH DIFFERENT FUNDS SUCH AS TRANSPORTATION TRUST, OUR BONDED ROADS AND OUR CIP. DISCRETIONARY SALES TAX WHERE WE PAY OUR BOND OUT OF. CURRENTLY SHOWING 4.3 MILLION DOLLAR DROP. AND FUEL GOES INTO CIP NEGATIVE $2,002. WE NORMALLY GET ADJUSTMENTED IN NOVEMBER TIME FRAME. THESE ARE THE NUMBERS WE BUDGET WITH FOR NEXT FISCAL YEAR. GENERAL FUND REVENUE ADOPTED VERSES PROJECTED. CURRENT BUDGET, WE FOR GENERAL FUND, 83,764.27. CURRENTLY PROPOSING 90,982,506. TAKES INTO ACCOUNT ADD VA LOR RUM, GRANTS, ANY TYPE OF FEES FOR SERVICE. [2.  Fund Budgets] THEN WE ARE MOVING INTO PROPOSED EXPENDITURES. CURRENT IS 90 MILLION AND NEXT YEAR, 104,850,901. THAT INCLUDES 5 MILLION DOLLAR TRANSFER INTO TRANSPORTATION FUND. CURRENTLY THAT IS THE ONE WE ARE MOST CONCERNED ABOUT REVENUE COMING IN, EXPENDITURES GOING OUT. THAT INCLUDES PUBLIC WORKS, ROAD STRIPING, POTHOLE MAINTENANCE. THAT IS CURRENTLY NOT DOING WELL. WE PLACED 5 MILLION DOLLAR TRANSFER. SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT HAS SUBMITTED THEIR BUDGET. IT WAS WITHIN THE FIVE-YEAR PLAN THAT WE AGREED TO LAST YEAR. NEXT SLIDE, THAT INCLUDED ARPA RESERVES, WE WOULD LIKE FOR NEXT YEAR'S NUMBER TO BE A LOT HIGHER THAN IT IS. CONTINGENCY, WE WOULD LIKE TO GET IT UP TO 32 MILLION, WE ARE AT 24,369,816. THAT IS SOMETHING WE ARE TRYING TO BRING THAT UP TO A BETTER LEVEL. THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT WHEN IT COMES TO UM, OUR CREDIT SCORE, CREDIT RATING. MAKING SURE WE HAVE SUFFICIENT FUNDS FOR A RAINY DAY FUND BASICALLY. ANY TYPE OF ITEM WE NEED TO BRING OUT OF THE RESERVES. THAT IS WHERE WE STAND WITH THE RESERVES. NOW MOVE ON TO TRI. >> RESERVES WENT DOWN THREE MILLION DOLLARS THIS YEAR >> FOR RIGHT NOW, YES. >> ALL RIGHT. THAT IS BECAUSE WE ARE USING THE MONEY UP FASTER THAN IT IS COMING IN? >> TRANSPORTATION. >> THIS IS YOUR PROPOSED BUDGET. AS WE GO THROUGH AND LOOK AT FINALIZING BUDGET IN AUGUST, RESERVE MAY GO UP. POINT DEBBIE, EVEN IF YOU ARE BACK TO 27 MILLION, STILL SHORTER THAN WHERE YOU NEED TO BE. KEEP IN MIND, IN THE PAST FOR DEBRIS CLEAN UP, YOU UTILIZED SOLID WASTE FUNDS TO IMPROVE FACILITIES OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS. RESERVES AND SOLID WASTE WILL NOT BE THERE TO SUPPORT A MAJOR DISASTER. THAT IS WHY WE ARE POINTING THESE RESERVES OUT. ERMA WAS A 10 MILLION DOLLAR DISASTER. COST YOU ABOUT 10 MILLION DOLLARS OUT OF YOUR RESERVES [00:10:03] WAITING FOR FEMA TO REIMBURSE THAT MONEY. >> IF I LOOK AT THE BOTTOM LINE HERE, COUNTYWIDE TOTAL IS 81 MILLION DOLLARS COMING OUT OF RESERVES TO BALANCE THIS BUDGET? >> IT IS NOT TO BALANCE THE BUDGET. YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER YOUR BOND MONEY TAKES UP RESERVES. SITS IN RESERVES OR SITS IN, AS YOU SPEND IT DOWN, YOU DON'T HAVE AS MUCH IN RESERVES. KEY NUMBER TO LOOK AT IS THE FIRST LINE, REST IS THERE TO SUPPORT RESERVE ARGUMENT. FIRST LINE 27 MILLION DOLLARS IN CONTINGENCY VERSES 24 MILLION. >> IF THIS WAS A FAMILY BUDGET, TAKING THREE MILLION DOLLARS OUT OF THE BANK TO KEEP MY KIDS FED THIS YEAR? >> BASICALLY. >> SPENDING MORE MONEY THAN WE ARE TAKING IN? >> THAT WOULD BE YOUR SAVINGS ACCOUNT, RIGHT? >> I AM TRYING TO SET THE STAGE FOR WHAT IS GOING ON. >> YES, SIR. >> AND THE BUDGET THAT WE ARE PRESENTING WILL BE BALANCED. WE WILL HAVE BALANCE OF REVENUES AND EXPENDIURES. >> BALANCED AT THE EXPENSE OF THREE MILLION BUCKS COMING OUT OF MY SAVINGS ACCOUNT, RIGHT? >> CAN I ASK A QUESTION? >> YOU SAID RESERVES EFFECTS OUR CREDIT RATING. CAN YOU EXPAND UPON THAT? ARE WE IN DANGER OF THE COUNTY NOT HAVING A GOOD CREDIT RATING? DO WE NEED TO CUT THE BUDGET WAY BACK SO WE HAVE MORE IN RESERVES? I WOULD LIKE MORE INFORMATION ON THAT? >> WE BASICALLY HAVE WHAT WE NEED IN RESERVES. THE MORE WE CAN GET IN THERE AND LIKE I SAID FOR CONTINGENCY, IF WE CAN GET IT UP TO 32 MILLION BETTER FOR OUR STANDING. WE HAVE EXCELLENT CREDIT RATING RIGHT NOW. >> SO THE SKY IS NOT FALLING? >> CORRECT. OF YOU ARE ON CREDIT KARMA, YOUR CREDIT GOES UP AND DOWN DAILY. YOU GET NOTIFICATIONS, THAT IS WHAT IT IS ABOUT, COMMISSIONER. HERE, NOTHING TO PANIC ABOUT WITH REGARDS TO IT. OTHER GOOD THING, WE ARE PAYING OUR BOND OFF. ON THE REVERSE SIDE HELPING YOUR CREDIT ON THAT SIDE, TOO. IF YOU ARE NOT USING YOUR CREDIT, YOUR CREDIT SCORE COULD BE LOW, IS ANOTHER ASPECT TO IT. WE HAD EXCELLENT CREDIT BEGINNING OF 2020. WE HAVEN'T HAD FITCH RATE US. WE ARE VERY GOOD. IT WOULD BE A LEVERAGER ARM IF YOU WANTED TO BORROW ADDITIONAL MONEYS. WE WOULD HAVE TO GET A CREDIT RATING AND COME BACK TO THE BOARD AND LET YOU ALL KNOW. >> OTHER COMMENT I HAVE IS IN THE GOVERNMENT SECTOR, IT IS GOOD TO HAVE ANYWHERE FROM 33-66% OF YOUR BUDGET IN RESERVE. WE ARE PRETTY CLOSE TO THAT. IT IS AT THE LOW END. LIKE YOU SAID, WE NEED TO BUILD THAT UP, 660 MILLION DOLLAR BUDGET. WE HAVE 200 MILLION. IT IS THERE BUT AT THE LOW END. WE NEED TO BUILD IT UP. >> CARRY ON. >> SO AS PART OF YOUR BUDGET, TALKED ABOUT PERSONNEL PLAN BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS. LAST YEAR ADOPTED THREE-YEAR PERSONNEL PLAN. WHAT WE ARE DOING IS CONTINUING TO EXECUTE THAT PLAN ADDRESSING $15 MINIMUM WAGE, PAY COMPRESSION AND FACTORING IN E COLA. WE ARE GOING STRAIGHT TO THE 15 BECAUSE OF WHAT THE MARKET BEARS. ANY OF YOUR LOCAL FAST FOOD ESTABLISHMENTS, THEY ARE PAYING $17-$19 AN HOUR. WE MOVED IT TO $15. ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT? >> IN ORDER TO DRAW A QUALIFIED WORK FORCE. WE HAD A HELP WANTED AD. IS OUR VACANCY RATE LARGER THAN NORMAL OR? DO WE HAVE -- IS THIS ABNORMALLY? >> I CAN'T TELL YOU EXACTLY FOR THIS MONTH OR WHERE WE STAND ON IT. WE TYPICALLY STRUGGLE GETTING A WORK FORCE IN TO HIRE TEAM MEMBERS IN. IT IS A MYRIAD OF FACTORS. I CAN'T SAY IT IS JUST AN HOURLY [00:15:05] RATE. WE HAVE BEEN VERY, VERY FORTUNATE THOSE TRANSPLANTING TO FLORIDA FROM CALIFORNIA AND NORTHEAST. WE HAVE BEEN VERY FORTUNATE. STILL TRYING TO FOCUS IN ON LOCAL AREA AND ATTRACT THOSE TO HIRE. TYPICALLY, HOW MANY BILLETS ARE WE, JENNIFER, IF YOU LOOK AT THOSE THAT WE HAVE ON OUR CHART? >> ABOUT 40. >> ABOUT 40 POSITIONS WE HAVE OPEN. >> REAL QUESTION: IS THAT NORMAL? >> THAT IS ABOVE NORMAL. NORMALLY I WOULD SAY, WHEN I TAKE A LOOK AT IT IN THE 20S AT TIMES. INTERNALLY, WE TAKE A LOOK AT IT, WHY AREN'T WE HIRING FOR THAT PARTICULAR POSITION? WE TRY TO TAKE A LOOK, DO WE NEED TO COMBINE TWO POSITIONS TO MAKE ONE BASED UPON THE BUDGET. LOOKING AT IT, HOPEFULLY THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTIONS. >> TO REMEMBER, I DON'T THINK THAT 40, DOES THAT INCLUDE FIREFIGHTERS? THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE FIRE FIGHTING OR LAW ENFORCEMENT SIDE. TO POINT THAT OUT. >> GOOD POINT, THANKS. >> THANK YOU. [3.  5 Year Capital Improvement Plan] >> SO THE NEXT DISCUSSION ITEM TCAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN. SO WE STARTED OFF LOOKING AT CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN RIGHT SIZING THE PROJECTS IN THERE. FIRST THING WE NEED TO DO IS MAKE SURE PROJECTS REFLECTED IN CIP REFLECTING RIGHT COST BASED ON CURRENT MARKET CONDITIONS. WE INCLUDED ROAD RESURFACING TO SEVEN AND A HALF MILLION TO REFLECT PAVEMENT MANAGEMENT PLAN AS PRESENTED. ADDED EXPENSES TO FIVE-YEAR STANDARD ITEM, PUBLIC SAFETY VEHICLES, SHERIFF VEHICLES, ROAD RESURFACING AND ROAD PAVING FOR THE FIFTH YEAR. ADDED NO NEW PROJECTS TO THE CIP. I AM GOING TO DEVIATE AND GO TO THE EXCEL SPREAD SHEET. YOU SHOULD HAVE RECEIVED A COPY OF THE CIP. BIGGEST THING IS REFORMATTED IT. WE MADE A FRONT END. SUMMARIZES ONE THROUGH FOUR. BASICALLY ALL YOUR EXPENSES NO MATTER THE FUNDING STREAM. WHERE IT IS IMPORTANT IF YOU TURN TO I THINK PAGE FIVE, WHICH IS YOUR CIP. THIS IS YOUR TRADITIONAL LOOK AT CIP. SHOWS YOUR DEFICIT CURRENTLY IN THE FIVE-YEAR PLAN WITH RIGHT SIZING PROJECTS AND COUNTING INTO REDUCTION OF REVENUE FROM THE STATE, 39 MILLION DOLLAR DEFICIT IN YEAR FIVE. YEAR ONE, TWO, BALANCED. YEAR THREE, FOUR, FIVE OUT OF BALANCE. SO TODAY AS WE GO THROUGH CIP, WE ARE GOING TO NEED DIRECTION FROM THE BOARD, DOESN'T HAVE TO BE, WE WOULD LIKE GENERALIZED DIRECTION UNLESS YOU HAVE A SPECIFIC PROJECT YOU HAVE MOVING OUT TO SIX YEAR, WE NEED TO LOOK WHAT WE CAN MOVE OUT TO SIX THROUGH TEN YEAR TO BALANCE. REQUIRED TO BALANCE FIVE-YEAR CIP BY STATUTE. THAT IS WHERE WE ARE AT. ANY QUESTIONS BEFORE I GET INTO THE DATA? >> I THINK I CIRCLED IT AND WENT THROUGH, PLAN 2% INFLATION RATE? >> WE ARE DOING 2% GAS TAX AND 3% ON THE MONEY FROM SALES TAX. >> CIP COST PREDICATED ON INFLATIONARY NUMBER ON 2%? >> EACH DEPARTMENT, REVENUE WISE 2% AND 3%. AS FAR AS EXPENSES RELIED ON THE DEPARTMENTS I DON'T KNOW IF RICHARD OR TAYLOR CAN COMMENT TO WHAT THEY USED FOR ROADS. THIS IS WHAT THE CONSTRUCTION INDUSTRY IS SAYING OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS. SO I DON'T KNOW. >> I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU ANSWER THIS. MY POINT IS, IF WE USED A NUMBER, INFLATION LAST MONTH 9.1%. GOD FOR BID THAT CONTINUES, THIS 39 MILLION IS 69 MILLION, WHATEVER IT IS. >> THAT IS THE PROBLEM WITH THE CIP. TRYING TO LOOK ON REVENUE SIDE AND EXPENSE SIDE. RIGHT NOW WE ARE TAKING 17 MILLION DOLLARS IN SALES TAX REVENUE BASED ON TRUE RECEIVABLES. IF WE TAKE INTO ACCOUNT STATE OF FLORIDA SAYS GOING DOWN TO 13.4 COMING IN. THAT IS THE YELLOW CELL ON YOUR [00:20:03] PAGE FIVE. WE ARE ONLY GOING TO GET BACK TO 15 MILLION OVER FIVE YEARS, THAT IS THE FACTOR WE HAVE TO USE, THAT IS WHAT THE STATE PROVIDES US. EVEN AT THE END OF FIVE YEARS, YOU ARE NOT BACK TO THE 17 MILLION. IS THAT REALISTIC? PR PROBABLY NOT. IT IS WHAT WE HAVE TO BALANCE TO. THAT IS THE DILEMMA WE HAVE RIGHT NOW. IT IS A 39 MILLION DOLLAR DEFICIT. WE HAVE TO MOVE PROJECTS OUT OF THE PLAN INTO YEAR SIX THROUGH TEN TO COME BACK TO APPROVAL FOR YOU IN SEPTEMBER. >> I'LL KEEP MOVING THROUGH. ON YOUR CIP. TRADITIONAL LOOK. JUST ITEMS PAID FOR OUT OF THOSE SALES TAX/GAS TAX DOLLARS, PAGE 6. IF YOU SEE YELLOW, ADDED OR CHANGED ITEM. ADDED IN THE TRANSPORTATION EQUIPMENT FOR YEAR FIVE. CONTINUING DOWN THE PAGES THIS IS WHERE YOU'LL SEE THE MOST YELLOW. IT WAS RIGHT SIZING THE PUBLIC SAFETY EQUIPMENT. RIGHT SIZING YOUR FIRE STATIONS. THAT WAS YOUR CIP FOR SALES TAX/GAS TAX. I'LL STOP THERE IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS ON THIS FIRST SECTION. ASK US TO INCREASE THAT. THAT WILL MAKE THE DEFICIT LARGER AND FIND OTHER THINGS TO MOVE OUT TO THE OUTER YEARS. >> IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING, SEVEN MILLION DOLLARS IS THE POINT WHERE WE DON'T FALL BEHIND ON THE MAINTENANCE AND KEEP UP. IS THAT TRUE? WHERE IS THAT? >> IT IS 13 MILLION. WE HAVE TO SPEND 13 MILLION DOLLARS TO STAY WHERE WE ARE TODAY. WHEN I LOOK, MY CONSTITUENT IN THE EYE, I AM GOING TO TELL THEM WE KNOW THE ROADS ARE GETTING WORSE AND WORSE AND WORSE, WE DON'T HAVE THE MONEY TO FIX IT. THAT IS THE ANSWER, ALL RIGHT? I LIKE TO SEE THAT SEVEN MILLION STAY THERE. >> LET'S CUT SOME PROJECTS SOME WHERE ELSE. >> THAT IS 10 MILLION DOLLARS YOU'LL CUT FROM THE CIP AS IT EXISTS NOW. >> RIGHT. OVER FIVE YEARS. >> ON TOP OF THE 39 MILLION. >> WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE TOUGH CHOICES. THIS IS NOT ROSIE PICTURE TIME, REALLY. >> THAT IS WHY WE SEPARATED THIS OUT. WHEN WE GET TO END? >> THIS IS YOUR BALANCING SALES TAX OR GAS TAX DOLLARS? >> ON THE SHEET. >> THEY ARE ON THE SHEET. >> TOTAL PAGES ARE A FRONT ES.- SUMMARY. >> CAN YOU TELL ME WHICH PAGE YOU NEED TO PULL PROJECTS OFF OF IT. >> THAT IS NOT THE LIST OF PROJECTS. >> USING EXCEL SPREAD SHEET. >> IS IT PAGES 6 AND 7? >> 1-PAGE 5. >> PAGE 6, 7, I THINK THAT IS IT. >> WE NEED TO CHOOSE PROJECTS OFF OF 6 AND 7 TO TOTAL 39 MILLION. [00:25:02] >> WE CAN'T HAVE IT ON THE LIST BECAUSE OF THE STATE'S FUNDING FORMULA. >> IT WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH YEARS 6-10. >> OF COURSE IN NOVEMBER THEY DO ANOTHER ADJUSTMENT TO THE REVENUES, HOPING THEY CAN ADJUST THEM. OF COURSE WE HAVE TO HAVE AN ADOPTED BUDGET IN SEPTEMBER. >> YOU SAID ON 220 PAID FOR OUT OF DOT GRANT MONEY. >> YES, MA'AM. WE ARE WAITING FOR RICHARD, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO THAT PROJECT. THEY MET WITH DOT YESTERDAY. >> IT HAS BEEN ON THEIR LIST. >> RICHARD SMITH, CLAY COUNTY. I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN CONVINCE THIS GUY. BASICALLY TOLD BY DOT REPRESENTATIVE YESTERDAY, 9.3 MILLION PLUS 4 MILLION FROM THE DOT EARMARKED TO SPEND. THAT WILL BE JUNE 2023. LAST QUARTER OF OUR BUDGET. WE ARE LOOKING FOR SOME SORT OF DOCUMENTATION TO THAT EFFECT. IT WAS CALLED SU FUND, TROY. WE HAVE BEEN UNABLE TO FIND IT. DOT SAYS IT IS THERE AND WILL BE ACTIVATED ONCE WE GET THE PLANS UP. WE'LL GET THE PLANS BID AND CONTRACTOR SELECTED. >> FOR THAT PROJECT OR CLAY COUNTY PERIOD? >> FOR THAT PROJECT. 9.3 MILLION PLUS ALREADY 4 MILLION IN THE QUADRAT INTERSECTION. >> IF WE TOOK 13 MILLION AND PUSHED IT TO FY 26/27 THAT WOULD TAKE 13 OUT OF THE 39 MILLION. >> WE WOULD HAVE TO PUSH IT TO 6-10. >> THAT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION OUT OF THE PLAN UNTIL WE GET THE AGREEMENT FROM DOT. ONCE WE GET THE AGREEMENT FROM DOT, WE CAN RECOGNIZE EXPENSE AND REVENUES. RIGHT NOW REFLECTING THIS ENTIRE PROJECT AS EXPENSE ON COUNTY'S BOOKS. WE CAN'T BUDGET FOR REVENUES THAT DON'T EXIST. 13.3 MILLION DOLLARS, DOESN'T INDICATE THAT IS GOING TO PAY FOR THE PROJECT. WITH THE SECTION OF 9.3 MILLION BEING THROWN AROUND TO COMPLETE THE PROJECT. YOU CAN MOVE THAT OUT. THAT IS ONE OF THOSE PROJECTS WHICH NEEDS TO GET DONE. >> UH HUH. PEOPLE HAVE BEEN SUFFERING IN MIDDLEBURG AREA TRYING TO GET THROUGH DRIVEN THROUGH THERE IN MORNING OR AFTERNOON RUSH SITS THERE FOR WAY TOO LONG. THAT HAS TO GET DONE. HOW WE HANDLE THAT IS ANOTHER STORY. I DON'T THINK MOVING ALL OF THOSE OUT OF THE CIP. >> PENDING RIGHT-OF-WAY ACQUISITION. WE COULD BE READY FOR CONSTRUCTION AS SOON AS THEIR FISCAL YEAR DOT BEGINS WHICH IS JULY 1, '23. >> I WOULD BE HESITANT TO TAKE TOO MUCH MONEY OUT OF THE CIP AND MOVE IT. WE DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH WE HAVE TO MOVE BACK AND TOO MUCH IF WE HAVE ALL THESE THINGS THAT WILL STAY WITHIN THAT FIVE YEARS. >> WE HAVE TO TAKE IT FROM SOME WHERE. >> RIGHT. [LAUGHTER]. >> LOOK THIS IS NOT EASY. AS WE WERE SITTING WITH TROY AND DEBBIE YESTERDAY. I WAS SITTING ALL THESE LOVELY SPREAD SHEETS NICE, YELLOW. GRANTS OR OTHER ADDITIONAL, WE THE SAME THING [00:30:02] WITH. I THINK THE STATE IS EXTRA CAUTIOUS IN TERMS OF REVENUES, THEY DON'T KNOW WHERE WE ARE GOING TO GO. EXPERIENCING 9% INCREASES IN COSTS EVERY MONTH, CAN'T SEE HOW PERCENTAGE OF YOUR SALES TAX WILL GO DOWN IF IT IS TIED TO THE PRICE. POSSIBLE INCREASES IN REVENUE. >> IT IS A DIFFICULT SITUATION, YOU TURN ON THE NEWS, GOVERNOR TALKING ABOUT RECORD SURPLUS THAT THEY HAVE AND THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT ALL THESE PEOPLE MOVING TO FLORIDA AND ALL THIS INCOMING, YOU TALK TO STATE REPRESENTATIVES, COFFERS FULL, LIFE IS GOOD. REPUBLICANS IN CONTROL. >> VOTE FOR ME. [LAUGHTER]. >> THAT IS WHY YOU HAVE ADDITIONAL HOMESTEAD EXEMPTS. TICKETS ARE ALL NECESSITIES. >> READING I HAVE DONE IS RECESSION ISN'T ONE YEAR IF THIS IS THE START IT IS NOT GOING TO GET ANY BETTER FOR A COUPLE MORE YEARS. >> TYPICALLY, HISTORICALLY, RECESSIONS MORE THAN ONE YEAR. MINIMUM OF TWO YEARS IF NOT LONGER. >> I HAVE A QUESTION THAT IS NOT FAIR, APOLOGIZE CHIEF, COULD YOU SPEAK TO KIND OF ALMOST DOUBLING THE PUBLIC SAFETY EQUIPMENT FOR FY 24/25 AND 25/26? >> UPDATED PRICING EXPECTING ON VEHICLES. NOW THE DOUBLING IS WHERE WE HAVE REPLACED OVER TIME WE TRY TO KEEP THAT LEVEL. IT HAS PEAKS AND VALLEYS AND REFLECTS DOUBLE IMPACT OF THE PEAK AND COST INCREASES AND MAKING ADJUSTMENTS. >> OKAY. IS THERE ANY THOUGHT OF THEN GETTING MORE LIFE OUT OF ANY OF THESE VEHICLES? >> WE HAVE A REPLACEMENT PROGRAM IN PLAN, PART OF THAT FOLLOWS NFPA STANDARDS WE TEND TO TRY TO MEET. WE HAVE SEEN SOME SIGN WAVE PURCHASING BECAUSE AHEAD OF THE PANDEMIC TRIED TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF BOTH SOME OF THE CARES FUNDING FOR RESCUE UNITS TO GET THOSE IN EARLY. NOW WE HAVE SEEN WHERE WE HAVE ORDERED THINGS AND CAN'T GET THEM DELIVERED. I THINK WHEN YOU LOOK THEN, PUT THAT AT THE FIVE TO SEVEN-YEAR MARK, THAT SIGN WAVE CERTAINLY REFLECTS BACK, FIVE, SIX, SEVEN YEARS AND NOW READY TO REPLACE RESCUE UNITS. UNFORTUNATELY WHERE THINGS ARE WITH CHIP SETS YOU CAN'T GET. ANYBODY TRYING TO GET A VEHICLE CERTAINLY CAN FOLLOW THAT AND SEE THAT REFLECTED. CAN WE ADJUST? SURE. THAT IS SOMETHING WE'LL HAVE TO LOOK AT TO SEE IF WE CAN LEVEL IT. FLAT RATE REPLACEMENT PART OF WHERE WE ARE AT THE MOMENT. >> ALSO, CHIEF, WOULDN'T THAT INDICATE ALSO, INCREASE IN EQUIPMENT? WE HAVE NEW FIRE HOUSES SCHEDULED. >> THEY ARE ALL WITHIN THE OUT YEARS OF 6-10 YEAR RANGE WHERE YOU HAVE SEEN IT. ALSO REFLECT WHERE WE WOULD HAVE TO LEGALIZE ADDITIONAL EQUIPMENT. WE HAVE SOME EFFICIENCIES WE COULD GAIN. GOOD EXAMPLE STATION 20 GREEN COVE. OPERATING ENGINE AND LADDER AS ADAPTIVE RESPONSE MODEL. YOU CAN TAKE THAT ENGINE AND ROLL IT TO ANOTHER STATION AND KEEP THE LADDER. PARTS OF THE PROBLEM GETTING THE STATIONS WE CAN'T HOUSE ALL OF THE EQUIPMENT. IT IS A CON INFLUENCE OF A NUMBER OF THINGS, WE HAVEN'T REPLACED STATIONS IN THE FREQUENCY AND APPARATUS NEEDS. WE CERTAINLY DID THAT AS PART OF THE WORKSHOPS THAT WE HELD WITH THE COMMUNITY LAST SUMMER. WE TALKED ABOUT THE INCREASING DEMAND CURVE FOR SERVICES AS THE [00:35:04] NEW RESIDENTS OR THE NEW RESIDENTIAL UNITS OPEN IN LAKE ASBURY AND AREAS WHERE WE HAVE SEEN GROWTH. ALL THOSE THINGS COMING TOGETHER AT THE SAME TIME. >> QUESTIONS TO THE CHIEF? >> THANK YOU, CHIEF. >> I CAN COME BACK AS NEEDED. >> OKAY WHERE ARE WE? CARRY ON SOMEBODY? >> THAT IS CIP. IN THE FUTURE ON THAT. NEXT SECTION OF SLIDES MOBILITY FEE. IMPACT FEE, MOBILITY FEE, PAYMENTS FOR INFRASTRUCTURE -- >> WHAT PAGE ARE WE ON, TROY? >> PAGE 8. >> I AM STILL ON THE SPREAD SHEET. >> SORRY. >> PAGE 8. THIS IS YOUR CIP AS FAR AS MOBILITY AND IMPACT FEES. AS WE DISCUSSED, NEXT SECTION OF SPREAD SHEET. CURRENT BOND 130 MILLION ED'S TEAM WORKING ON REVISED ESTIMATED. CURRENTLY WE HAVE ALLOCATED 24 MILLION DOLLARS FLOWING OUT OF YOUR MOBILITY FUNDS OVER A FOUR-YEAR PERIOD OF TIME WE CAN USE THE MOBILITY FEES TO SUPPORT INCREASING HOW MUCH MONEY CAN BE USED FOR THE BONDED ROAD PROJECTS. YOU WOULD HAVE 24 MILLION DOLLARS OUT OF MOBILITY FEES TO GO TO THAT. THAT WOULD LEAVE 15 MILLION IN YOUR MOBILITY FEE ACCOUNTS. THAT MONEY HAS TO BE SPENT IN THOSE DISTRICTS. IF YOU DECIDED YOU WANT TO GIVE MORE MONEY TO SUPPORT THOSE BONDED ROAD PROJECTS, WE WOULD HAVE TO LOOK HOW THAT MONEY FLOWS OUT AND WHICH DISTRICTS IT IS IN. >> MOST OF THE CONSTRUCTION IN LAKE ASBURY, RIGHT? >> YES, SIR. >> THAT IS 100% OF FEES IN LAKE ASBURY. >> WE WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT THE OTHER DISTRICTS TO GET SUPPORT. WE WOULD HAVE TO WORK WITH LEGAL COUNCIL TO MAKE SURE WHAT ROADS CAN BE SUPPORTED BY WHICH MOBILITY FEES. SO THAT IS YOUR MOBILITY FEE AND BONDS KIND OF TOGETHER. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ON THAT SECTION. >> THAT IS NOT ROCKET SCIENCE. YOU CAN DO THAT TODAY, RIGHT? >> AS FAR AS GIVING MONEY TO BONDED ROAD PROJECTS. >> UNDERSTAND HOW MUCH OF THE MOBILITY FEE USED FROM LAKE ASBURY TO SUPPORT THE LAKE ASBURY ROAD PROJECTS. >> WE CAN UNDERSTAND HOW MUCH OF THE CURRENT BUDGET WE HAVE. WE ARE PROJECTING OUT NEXT FOUR YEARS ASSUMING WE STAY STEADY -- >> INTO THE MOBILITY FEE. >> RIGHT. WE ARE DOING PROJECTIONS. WE KNOW GROWTH IS IN LAKE LAKE ASBURY. THAT WOULD EXTEND TIME LINE OF PROJECTS MOBILITY FEES WON'T BE THERE. THEY ARE NOT THERE TODAY. THIS IS PROJECTED REVENUES COMING IN. >> WE CAN'T EXTEND TIME LINE. >> YOU CAN FOR THE WORK YOU DO NOT USING BOND MONEY. THAT IS WHERE ED'S TEAM HAS TO LOOK AT HOW DO WE STRUCTURE THESE PROJECTS TO MAKE THEM FLOW IF YOU HAVE TO GO PASSED THAT 2024. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO ANY OF THAT. >> I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION. YOU HAVE A CONSTRUCTION TIME LINE AND PAYMENT TIME LINE. BONDS WE TOOK OUT OR 10-YEAR BONDS? >> THEY ARE 20-YEAR BONDS. >> IT WAS 19 YEARS WHEN WE BOUGHT THE BONDS. COINCIDED WITH THE GAS TAX AND THE END OF THAT FOR NOVEMBER. >> MY POINT IS TO CLARIFY, WE HAVE A CONSTRUCTION TIMELINE AND PAYMENT TIMELINE WHICH YOU CAN USE MOBILITY FEES. NEXT 19 YEARS? NO? >> MONEY SALES TAX DOLLARS HAVE TO DO IT. >> NOW WE ARE GOING TO START USING MOBILITY FEES TO CONTINUE TO PROJECTS. >> EXACTLY SPOT ON, TROY. [00:40:06] AS FAR AS THE CONSTRUCTION COMPONENT VERSES AVAILABILITY AND FUNDING OUR INTENT TO USE THE BONDING FUND IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE BOND KOV NANS FOR ADDITIONAL CONSTRUCTION BEYOND THAT DATE. >> ANY INDICATION COST OF CONSTRUCTION WILL COME DOWN IN THE TWO-THREE-YEAR? I DOUBT THAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN. >> IF I HAD THAT CRYSTAL BALL, I DON'T THINK I WOULD BE HERE NOW. [LAUGHTER]. ALL THINGS BEING EQUAL, TYPICALLY WHAT I HAVE SEEN OVER THE LAST 30 YEARS, MAY TAKE A DIP NEVER COME DOWN. PART OF OUR CHALLENGE HERE AGAIN BOND KOV NANS HAS TO BE SPENT AS WELL AS CONSTRUCTION. 9.3 NOW, WHEN YOU LOOK AT ROAD CONSTRUCTION, HEAVY EQUIPMENT. VERY PETROLEUM DEPENDENT. >> IT WAS LIKE THAT IN THE 80S. I WAS A VERY YOUNG CHILD AT THE TIME. FROM WHAT I READ IN HISTORY, THERE WAS A TIME IN OUR PAST THAT IT WAS LIKE THIS BEFORE AND ECONOMY GREATLY APPROVED. >> THAT WAS OVER A PERIOD OF YEARS, LATE 70S, 80S. >> YOU WERE YOUNG, TOO. >> IT WAS A GREAT TIME FOR COMMERCIAL DIVE, OFFSHORE RIGS AND SO ON. TOOK TIME TO RECOVER. IT WAS A MATTER OF YEARS, YES, MA'AM. >> COULD I, MY QUESTION IS FOR AMY. I DO NOT MEAN TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT, EITHER. A LOT OF THR BOND MONEY IS INVESTED, CORRECT? IN OUR INVESTMENT FUND? I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, RIGHT NOW WHEN THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT RECORD INFLATION AND INVESTMENTS, TYPICAL INVESTMENTS ON WALL STREET NOT DOING WELL. THEY DO TALK ABOUT GOVERNMENT BONDS, CAN YOU SPEAK TO ANY OF THAT OR HOW OUR MONEY IS DOING. >> SPECIFICALLY FOR THE BOND TO TRANSPORTATION, THAT WAS INVESTED EARLY ON WHEN WE GOT IT. WHEN INTEREST RALTS WERE LOW. MOST IN DAILY LIQUID FUNDS. I AM GOING OFF MEMORY. WE HAVE AROUND 27-30 MILLION DOLLARS. SOME OF THAT, WE ARE GETTING THAT BENEFIT. REST IS IN TREASURY BONDS. THEY ARE MATURING HOW WE NEED TODAY CASH FLOWS. MOST ARE MATURING 2023 AND 2024. FORTUNATELY WE GOT WHEN THEY WERE LOW. THOSE WE WON'T SEE UPSIDE. STILL NOT DOING BAD. PROBABLY GETTING AROUND COUPLE $100,000 A YEAR. THAT IS NOT GOING TO COVER INFLATION. DEFINITELY NOT INFLATION FACTOR. >> INFLATION AT 9. WE ARE GETTING 1.2. >> YEAH, I THINK WE ARE GETTING LITTLE MORE ON TREASURY BILLS, 2.3. IT IS BETTER THAN THE DAILY MARKET NOTHING TO DO CART WHEELS OVER. WE ARE IN A VERY VOLATILE INTEREST RATE RIGHT NOW AS EVERYBODY KNOWS. >> WE CAN HAVE DISCUSSION AS WE NEED TO. JUST DON'T TALK OVER ANYBODY ELSE. IF YOU WANT TO SAY SOMETHING, SAY IT. DONE, NO QUESTIONS FOR THESE GUYS? ALL RIGHT. TROY? >> NEXT PAGE BOND REVENUE REFLECTED. AFTER THAT, I DON'T HAVE THE PAGE NUMBER. >> PAGE 10 THE OTHER PROJECTS. >> THIS IS YOUR SOLID WASTE [00:45:02] FUND, BUILDING FUND, PUBLIC SAFETY 1250 FUND. OTHER MONEYS PULLING FROM TDC FUNDS TO KEEP ACCOUNTABILITY OF IT. THANK YOU. THIS IS WHERE THOSE REVENUES AND EXPENSES ARE SHOWN TO KEEP TRACK OF THOSE AND BE TRANSPARENT. CURRENTLY THEY HAVE A HEALTHY RESERVE. THEN THE NEXT PAGE IS YOUR GRANTS PAGES. THAT WILL BE PAGE 11. >> SORRY, ONE QUESTION ON THAT, SO THERE IS NO MONEY ON THE PUBLIC SAFETY 1250 GOING PASSED THIS CURRENT YEAR? >> CORRECT. >> IS THAT SUNSET? >> THERE ARE IMPROVEMENTS WE HAVE TO DO CURRENTLY. WE HAVE THOSE BUDGETS BUDGETS. THAT FUND IS NOT A SETMENT. IT IS BASED ON TICKETS BEING WRITTEN. WE PROJECT CONSERVATIVELY SO WE ARE NOT OVERSPENDING. >> OKAY. >> WE TALKED ABOUT THIS YESTERDAY WITH TROY AND DEBBIE. THAT PARTICULAR REVENUE LINE ONLY GENERATES, $125,000 A YEAR ON AVERAGE NOW. WHAT YOU ARE LOOKING AT IS THE BALANCE FROM A NUMBER -- >> THAT WAS MY QUESTION. >> WE PAY TO MAINTAIN RADIO SEASONAL THERE IS NOT A LOT OF REVENUE. THERE IS NOT A LOT OF EXTRA REVENUE IF ANY >> THANKS. >> YES, MA'AM. NEXT PAGE GRANTS PAGE. THIS IS SHOWING PROJECTS THAT HAVE GRANT FUNDING. YOU ARE REFLECTING 16 MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR TO SUPPORT CIP PROJECTS. LAST PAGE IS REQUEST PAGE. WE DID NOT ADD ANY NEW PROJECTS IN. ALL THE NEW PROJECTS FOR CONSIDERATION. SO FOR EXAMPLE, THERESA CAME IN AND DID AN EVALUATION OF EQUIPMENT AT PUBLIC WORKS. SHE CAME UP WITH REPLACEMENT PLAN. IF YOU LOOK AT THE YELLOW LINE, EQUIPMENT/TRANSPORTATION, THOSE ARE THE DOLLAR FIGURES SHE FEELS ARE NEEDED TO REFLECT GOOD SOLID FIVE-YEAR REPLACEMENT CYCLE. WE DID NOT REFLECT THOSE IN THE CURRENT CIP BECAUSE WE KNEW THE CIP WOULDN'T SUPPORT IT. WE LEFT HER NUMBERS WHERE THEY WERE AT. OTHER PROJECTS UP. AGAIN BACK TO RESURFACING. THEY ASK FOR SEVEN AND A HALF MILLION PLUS ONE AND A HALF MILLION FOR MICRO SURFACING, I DON'T KNOW THE RIGHT TERM YOU USE NOW. >> EXTENDING LIFE OF THE ROADS. SO THOSE THINGS WERE NOT PUT INTO THE CIP. WE DIDN'T PROPOSE PUTTING THEM IN AT THISTIME. ON THAT, THAT IS YOUR CIP. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS HERE TO ANSWER THEM, DEBBIE? >> WE STILL HAVE A CUT HOW MUCH? >> ON THIS CURRENT BUDGET. >> SIX AND SEVEN IS YOUR SALES TAX REVENUE AND SALES TAX EXPENSES. YOU NEED TO CUT OR MOVE OUT TO YEAR SIX THROUGH TEN, 30 MILLION DOLLARS TO BALANCE YEARS THREE THROUGH FIVE. AT THIS POINT IF YOU HAVE GENERALIZED DIRECTION OR SPECIFIC DIRECTION OR IF YOU WANT TO BRING IT BACK, WE NEED THIS TO REFLECT WE HAVE TO BE BALANCED. >> THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE IF WE ADD MORE BACK INTO THE ROAD RESURFACING. >> WE CAN GIVE THAT AS AN OPTION, TOO. THEN WE CAN GO THROUGH AND FLOW [00:50:09] IT OUT IN THE SPREAD SHEET AND LET YOU KNOW, THAT BALANCES OUT. WHICH PROJECTS WOULD YOU FEEL? OBVIOUSLY NONE OF THEM, I GOT IT TO MOVE 'EM. WHICH ONES DO WE FEEL COULD WE MOVE OUT TO THE SIX YEAR AND ON. THAT IS WHAT WE WOULD REQUEST. >> YOU ARE SAYING DON'T ADDRESS ROAD RESURFACING? LATER? >> WE HAVE THIS WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING AND GIVE YOU A AND B, SHOW YOU ROAD RESURFACING, 7 MILLION, 7.5 MILLION. WE'LL DO IT 7.5 ACROSS AND SHOW YOU THE ONE THAT WE PRESENTED TODAY WHERE IT GIVES YOU 7.5. >> I HAVEN'T SEEN BUILDINGS BURN DOWN AROUND ME LATELY. I KNOW IT IS IMPORTANT, CHIEF, WE HAVE OPERATING FIRE STATIONS ESSENTIALLY THE PLAN IS TO GET THEM IN THE RIGHT PLACE AND THAT IS GOOD TO DO BUT HOWEVER WE CAN STILL OPERATE NOT PARTICULARLY 100% A STATION COMPLEX SYSTEM AND GO TO A B AND SAVE MONEY TODAY. KEEP 'EM ON HORIZON BY MOVING THEM OUT. THERE IS A LOT OF MONEY IN FIRE STATION RENOVATIONS AND EVERYTHING. I THINK THAT IS ONE PLACE WE CAN LOOK. I WOULD ALSO SUGGEST ANYTHING THAT HASN'T STARTED CONSTRUCTION YET, WHICH MIGHT BE THAT THE ANIMAL SHELTER, I KNOW THAT IS IMPORTANT TO EVERYBODY. I KNOW WE NEED IT. BUT IT IS, WE HAVE THE DESIGN DONE, I THINK. WE COULD PROBABLY MOVE IT OUT ANOTHER YEAR OR TWO. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT IS GOING TO HELP BUT I DON'T KNOW. THAT WOULD BE MY TWO CENTS. AS FAR AS THE PARK GOES BIG ONE DOWN SOUTH, WE HAVE TO SPEND THE SIX MILLION DOLLARS RIGHT AWAY I GET THAT. THAT IS NOT GOING TO GET IT FINISHED. THAT IS SOMETHING WE CAN SLIDE. >> YOU DIDN'T HAVE THAT IN THERE? >> THAT IS NOT IN THE FIVE-YEAR PLAN. >> ONLY THOSE TWO PAGES. I THINK YOU COULD PUSH TWIN LAKES PARK LIGHTING. >> IF WE PUSH THAT OUT, WE NEED, WE DESPERATELY NEED A NEW STATION THERE. IT IS TUCKED AWAY. WE ARE BAND-AIDING THAT TOO FAR. >> REALLY ALL OF YOUR STATIONS? >> I DON'T KNOW ABOUT ALL OF THEM. [INAUDIBLE] SO WE CONTINUE TO PROTECT PEOPLE. JUST BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T HAD A FIRE, DOESN'T MEAN ONE WON'T BREAK OUT TOMORROW. >> WE DON'T HAVE A FIRE STATION IN THAT AREA. >> IF I MAY, CHAIRMAN, I HAVE DONE A LOT OF TALKING ABOUT THIS. HE AND DAVID HAVE GOTTEN TOGETHER. I BELIEVE, COMMISSIONER, HAVE YOU BEEN OUT ALREADY WITH THE CHIEF? [00:55:04] WE HAD THIS KIND OF DRIVER AROUND THAT WE SET UP SO THAT EACH ONE OF YOU CAN UNDERSTAND THE CHALLENGES AT EACH PARTICULAR LOCATION AND THAT. SO I WANTED TO KIND OF HEAD THAT OFF. >> I CAN TAKE THEM INDIVIDUALLY. WITH THE MOVEMENT OF THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT OUT OF GREEN COVE AND USE OF THE LAND, THAT WAS ONE THE GREEN COVE FIRE STATION FORECASTED TO MOVE TO THE SITE. THAT IS ONE OF THE EARLIEST ONES WE WERE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW. THAT ESSENTIALLY TO GET THEM IN ONE WHERE WE CAN BOTH PROVIDE THE SERVICE AND LOOK FOR WHAT WE BELIEVE WILL BE FUTURE EXPANSION DOWN THE ROAD. WHEN YOU BEGIN TO LOOK AT STATIONS WITH IMMEDIATE NEEDS, IF YOU DRIVE PASSED THAT. AND MOVE IT INTO A MORE CENTRALLY LOCATED AREA THAT PROVIDES GREATER CIRCUMFERENCE AND TRAVEL DISTANCE IS SOMETHING INSURANCE COMPANIES LOOK AT WHEN LOOKING AT SERVICE MODELS. THOSE WERE THE IMMEDIATE ONES THAT WERE ON THE EARLIEST PART OF IT. STATION 15 IN LAKE ASBURY IS ONE WHERE AGAIN, IT WAS BACKED UP INTO AN AREA IT COULDN'T GET 360 DEGREE COVERAGE. LITERALLY IS IN ONE OF OUR LESS ROBUST STATIONS. THE IDEA IS TO BRING IT OUT OF THE AREA IT IS BACKED UP ON TO THE LAKE AND GIVE IT GREATER CIRCUMFERENCE OF SERVICE AREA. THAT IS TIED INTO WHAT COMMISSIONER BURKE IS ADDRESSING. YOU HAVE A LOT OF NEW HOMES GOING IN THOSE AREAS. AS THEY EXPAND BEYOND SAND RIDGE AND RUSSELL ROAD. EXISTING DRIVE DISTANCES OF FIVE MILES. THAT MEANS YOU HAVE HOMES GOING IN SANDS AT LEAST IF THAT INSURANCE COMPANY USED THAT PROTECTION. CONSIDERED OUTSIDE THE DRIVING RADIUS FOR FIRE STATIONS. ALSO A STRANGE JUXTAPOSITION. IF THE HOME MEETS REQUIREMENTS HYDRANT OUT FRONT. AS WE BEGIN TO LOOK BEYOND THAT. WE TALK ABOUT THE PENNY FARMS STATIONS THAT IS AN AREA WHERE WE DON'T HAVE COVERAGE RIGHT NOW. AS YOU LOOK AT THIS WE CAN GO BACK AND LOOK AT WHAT WE CAN DO. BAD PART IS NEED IS NOW. I CAN PUT MAPS UP AND SHOW YOU COVERAGE MODELS. >> ALL THAT MEANS PEOPLE BUYING NEW HOMES ARE GOING TO PAY MORE FOR FIRE INSURANCE THAN IF WE WOULD HAVE ALL THE STUFF IN PLACE. DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN IT IS NOT SAFE. IT IS THE TRADE-OFF ON PROTECTION, WE DON'T HAVE CAPACITY IF WE DON'T DO THAT MODEL TO PROVIDE THE REDUNDANT LEVELS OF SERVICE BEYOND THE FIRST CALL. >> I AM NOT SUGGESTING YOU ARE WASTING MONEY. >> I DIDN'T TAKE IT THAT WAY. I WANT YOU TO HAVE A FULL EXPLANATION AS YOU CONTEMPLATE DECI DECISIONS. >> COULD BE A WAY TO SLOW GROWTH BECAUSE WE ARE NOT READY FOR THAT PLACE TO GROW QUITE YET. >> LET'S SAY FOR EXAMPLE FIRE IN [01:00:09] LAKE ASBURY, FIRE IN CROSS CREEK, WHERE DOES THE TRUCK COME FROM? >> DEPENDS WHERE THE FIRST FIRE IS. IF THERE IS A SECOND FIRE. TO REPOSITION YOU'LL REMEMBER IN PAST DISCUSSIONS AT LEAST BOARD MEMBERS THAT HAVE BEEN HERE A WHILE, WE DO, DO DYNAMIC REPOSITIONING OF UNITS. DEPENDS HOW FAST THAT SECOND CALL COMES IN. WE'LL ATTEMPT TO COVER IT AND GREAT WORKING RELATIONSHIPS TO HELP US WITH COVERAGE. WE ARE YOU KNOW, THE WAY THE CALL MODELS ARE NOW. IT HAS BEEN THAT WAY SINCE COVID, WE ARE STRESSED AT POINTS THROUGHOUT THE DAY WE START TO SEE CALLS EXPANDING BETWEEN SEVEN, EIGHT, TEN CALLS PER TIME FRAME OCCURRENCE. THAT IS WHERE IT TENDS TO GET DICEY GETTING COVERAGES IN. WE SEE ELONGATED RESPONSE TIMES. ONE THING WE HAVE SEEN IS BECAUSE OF THE INCREASING DEMAND FOR SERVICE. >> MY QUESTION, THERE IS A TRUCK POSSIBLY COMING FROM FLEMING ISLAND OR GREEN COVE? THAT IS THE CLOSEST STATION. >> IF IT WASN'T USED ON THE FIRST CALL. MAYBE FROM FURTHER DISTANCE COMING IN TO COVER FROM BEING REPOSITIONING OF UNITS. >> I HOPE IT IS NOT MY HOUSE. >> FIRST TRUCK IS GOING TO GET THERE. THEY ARE GOING TO FIGURE OUT. >> ALREADY A FIRE IN LAKE ASBURY. THERE ISN'T A TRUCK THERE. THEN WE DON'T HAVE ONE TO COME TO OUR AREA. >> EVEN WITH A BRAND NEW FIRE STATION, IT IS GOING TO WORK THE SAME WAY. YOU ARE GOING TO SAVE A FEW MORE MINUTES. I DON'T KNOW. WE ARE JUST DISCUSSING. >> RIGHT. THE NEED IS THERE FOR SURE. >> COULD YOU REITERATE WHAT THE GREEN COVE MOVE WOULD MEAN? WHAT IS THE BENEFIT OF MOVING GREEN COVE CIP. >> IF YOU DO THE GREEN COVE STATION, HOUSE ALL THE EQUIPMENT, THEY WILL NOTICE IT WAS A FORMER VOLUNTEER LOCATION THAT HAD ADD-ONS. IT IS GOING TO BE TIGHT ON MEETING EVERY CODE AT EVERY PLACE WE SHOULD HAVE. GETS MEMBERS INTO A FACILITY CONSTRUCTED FOR FIRE SERVICE. HOUSES THEM APPROPRIATELY. MEETS CODE REQUIREMENTS, INSURES CANCER PROTECTIONS WE HAVE TO HAVE IN PLACES. DOES ALL THOSE THINGS. >> IMPORTANT ABSENCE QUALITY OF SERVICE TO CONSTITUENTS ABOUT THE SAME? >> AT THE END OF THE DAY LOCATION WISE IT WILL BE THAT WAY. WE HAVE THE ABILITY WE DON'T DO NOW WE COULD PUT OTHER UNITS INTO THAT STATION. THAT IS WHAT WE CAN'T DO RIGHT NOW. IT IS LIMITED TO THE UNITS IN SERVICE IN THAT AREA RIGHT NOW. >> I REMEMBER WHEN WE OPENED UP THE A GUILE STATION. THAT IS ALL I WANT TO SAY, COUNTY MANAGER? >> CHAIRMAN, I WANT TO POINT OUT TO THE BOARD SUPPLY CHAIN AND CONSTRAINTS, NO. 1, TALKING ABOUT FIRE HYDRANTS. THEY ARE 18-24 MONTH DELAY. CHAIRMAN, YOU MENTIONED THE FACT THAT OUR THIRD AND FOURTH ORDER EFFECTS WILL IMPACT THE COMMUNITY AND GROWTH. TWO OTHER ONES TO MENTION, BRASS FITTINGS EXTREMELY HARD TO OBTAIN. THEN THE FINAL WAS CHLORINE. CHLORINE IS STARTING TO BECOME A NECESSITY AND OBVIOUSLY TO PURIFY THE WATER IN THAT. THERE ARE MAJOR CONSTRAINTS. ONLY A LIMITED NUMBER OF CHLORINE MANUFACTURERS THROUGHOUT THE U.S. ASIDE ON IT, TRUSSES IS EXTREMELY EXPENSIVE. ELECTRICAL PANELS AND TRANSFORMERS. I COULD GO ON AND ON. THERE ARE OTHER FACTORS WE'LL START TO SEE WITHIN THE COUNTY. TO GET US BACK TO PUBLIC SAFETY. WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHERE THE FIRE STATION IS: CAN IT HOUSE THE EQUIPMENT? CAN IT HOUSE THE FIREFIGHTERS PROPERLY? AND RESPONSE TIME IN THAT PARTICULAR FIVE-MILE AREA. LOREN AND DAVID HAVE GONE [01:05:05] THROUGH THIS. WE ANALYZE THIS DATA ALL THE TIME. LOREN LOOKS AT IT, DAVID DUS. THEY ARE BASING THAT ON THE CALL VOLUME. >> OTHER ASPECT CHIEF INDICATED MEMBERS OF THE FIRE RESCUE NEED PROPER PLACES, THEY LIVE IN THESE PLACES, THEY DON'T JUST VISIT 9:00-5:00. COMMISSIONER CONDON WAS ASKING CAN WE LENGTHEN THE TIME, I TOOK MY DRIVE WITH THE CHIEF FIRST TWO WEEKS IN THIS SEAT. SHOCKED TO SEE 700,000, 800,000 UNITS BAKING IN THE FLORIDA SUN. HERE WE ARE ASKING TO EXTEND THE LIFE. WE CAN BY PUTTING IT IN A FIRE STATION. IT SORT OF GOES HAND IN HAND. I DON'T KNOW HOW COMFORTABLE I AM SITTING HERE PICKING AND CHOOSING WINNERS AND LOSERS HAVING GOTTEN THIS YEAR YESTERDAY AND WE ARE ONLY HERE FOR NOON AND HEAVY AGENDA THIS EVENING. I THINK IT WOULD BE WORTHWHILE TO GET AGENDA. LOOK AT EACH LINE ITEM TO MAKE A DETERMINATION. WITH ROAD RESURFACING. THAT SAVES US AT LEAST IN CIP PUTTING PROJECTS IN 2.5 MILLION YEARS, THREE, FOUR, FIVE. I WON'T BE HERE. MAYBE COMMISSIONER WILL BE HERE THEY'LL HAVE A DIFFERENT SET OF NUMBERS AND INCREASE TO 13 MILLION. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE. IN TERMS OF SPECIFICS, I WOULD, LIKE LESS THANLD 24 HOURS TO PUTNAM BERS DOWN ON A PIECE OF PAPER. >> WE ARE JUST TALKING. COUNTER POINT. THIS IS A FIVE-YEAR CIP. TO SAY WE ARE GOING TO LOOK AT IT SERIOUSLY. LAST THREE YEARS, DON'T WORRY ABOUT IT. >> THAT IS NOT WHAT I SAID AT ALL. >> OKAY. WHATEVER. >> BOTTOM LINE CIP IS 7.5 MILLION AND GOT IT DOWN TO 5 MILLION FOR REST OF THE FOUR YEARS. >> OKAY. >> ONE OTHER QUESTION ABOUT 20. WAS THERE A DEADLINE OF WHEN WE HAD TO PUT IT AT THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT TO DEMO THAT BUILDING? >> DEADLINE APPLIES BACK TO USE OF GRANT FUNDING. WE WERE ATTEMPTING TO GET BENEFIT FROM THE SHANS PIN REMOVAL ALLOWS US WITH THE STATE TO PICK ANOTHER PROJECT. WE SAID WHEN WE WERE DOING THAT, WHEN WE WEREN'T GOING TO REPAIR AND REPLACE THE PEER WE COULD TAKE THAT MONEY AND HELP TO OFFSET COST TO FIRE STATION 20. WE ARE LOOKING TO GAIN THAT BENEFIT WHICH WILL OFFSET WHAT YOU HAVE IN HERE. THAT WOULD COME WITH IT AND OFFSET FOR THAT PROJECT. >> I THINK THE DEADLINE FOR THE STATE IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE ALREADY. THIS WAS A MATTHEW PROJECT AS I REMEMBER, TROY. >> CURRENTLY WAITING. WE HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL THE SHANS PIER IS FINISHED. AT THAT POINT IN TIME, IF WE SO CHOOSE WE'LL TAKE THAT AGREEMENT AND REFLECT THAT REVENUE COMING IN FOR STATION 20 WHICH IS THE PROJECT THAT WE INDICATED THE STATE WE WERE GOING TO DO AS THE ALTERNATE PROJECT. >> WE HAD NO IDEA HOW SIGNIFICANT THAT AMOUNT WOULD BE. >> WE HAVE A GUESTMENT BETWEEN 1-20 MILLION DOLLARS. >> I WILL SUGGEST YOU COME UP [01:10:10] WITH SOMETHING THAT BALANCES NEXT TWO WEEKS AND COME OUT TO ALL THE COMMISSIONERS. >> I WOULD SAY TROY, DID YOU HAVE OTHER RECOMMENDATIONS. PUBLIC SAFETY. I WOULD LOOK TO YOU TROY, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS, WOULD YOU ASK FOR GUIDANCE FROM THE BOARD ON A SPECIFIC THING OR A PARTICULAR AREA. >> I THINK WE HAVE GOTTEN -- >> THAT IS WHAT I WAS TRYING TO SUGGEST. THREE MILLION DOLLARS IN LAND ACQUISITION. WE ASKED A FEW MONTHS AGO. I KNOW YOU HAD ALL THAT WE OWN WAS UP ON A BOARD. I HAVE GIVEN FOUR MILLION DOLLARS IN SUGGESTIONS THAT HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH PUBLIC SAFETY. I GET CRITICIZED FOR IT. JUST TRYING TO GIVE INPUT -- >> NOBODY IS CRITICIZING YOU, OKAY. JUST WAIT YOUR TURN. >> YOU ASKED ME TO FINISH THEN THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING I CAN CONTRIBUTE TO RIGHT HERE. I HAVE A RIGHT TO CONTRIBUTE. >> YEAH, BUT IN YOUR TURN. OKAY. SO CAN YOU COME UP WITH SOME SUGGESTIONS? >> WE'LL TAKE A STAB AT IT. WHAT TO ELIMINATE AND PUSH OUT AND COME BACK WITH RECOMMENDATIONS. >> YOU CAN DO THAT PRETTY QUICK, RIGHT? >> NEXT BOARD MEETING. WE KEEP SPEAKING TO PUSH OUT. IS IS THERE A WAY TO SLIDE EXPENSES TO THE POINT WHERE MITIGATES 39 MILLION? >> NOT WITHIN THE FIVE-YEAR PLAN. YOU WOULD HAVE TO -- >> I MEAN SOME PROJECTS AREN'T GOING TO COMPLETE IN ONE YEAR. >> RIGHT. >> SO IF WE SLIDE 'EM, LAST YEAR MAYBE IN YEAR SIX. >> I AM SAYING LOOK AT SLIDING PROJECTS TAKING PROJECT OUT OF THE WHOLE FIVE-YEAR PLAN. >> WE CAN DEFINITELY LOOK AT THAT. >> A 500 YEAR STORM, I DON'T THINK WE DROWN ANIMALS. IT WAS HARD TO GET THEM OUT. CORRECT ME IF I AM WRONG, DID ANY DROWN? >> NOTHING HAS DROWNED. WE PUT STAFF IN A PLACE TO EVACUATE THE SHELTER. NOTHING DROWNED BUT TO THE COMMISSIONER'S POINT IF WE HAD THAT FLASH FLOOD AND WEREN'T OUT THERE, COULD SOMETHING HAVE DROWN, YES. >> PEOPLE WERE SWIMMING ANIMALS OUT. SO. >> IF YOU HAVE EVER BEEN THERE, WHAT THE AREA THEY HAVE TO DO SURGERIES, YOU ARE IN THIS LITTLE BOOTH AREA. THEY ARE DEFINITELY LACKING IN SO MANY DIFFERENT WAYS. THEY HAVE BEEN WAITING. MAYBE POSSIBLY PUSHING OUT A TINY BIT. I CAN'T SEE DOING TOO MUCH. >> WE HAVE TO CUT SOMETHING. >> I KNOW. >> THEY ARE GOING TO COME UP WITH GREAT IDEAS. >> WE ARE NOT JUST WASTING MONEY UP HERE. [LAUGHTER]. IT IS GOING TO GET WORSE. WE HAVE TO MAKE THE CALLS HERE. I WOULD PREFER TO PUT IT ON STAFF'S BACK FIRST. YOU GET PAID THE BIG BUCKS TO DO THAT. GIVE US THE PLAN. GIVE US AREAS TO LOOK AT FOR PUBLIC SAFETY. LET US SIT WITH STAFF AND SEE WHAT WE CAN COME UP WITH. [4.  American Rescue Plan] [01:15:06] >> ANYTHING ELSE. >> LAST THING GOING BACK TO THE PRESENTATION. AFTER CIP IS AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN AS YOU KNOW, WE PRESENTED A FOUR-YEAR PLAN FOR AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN, 42 AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS WHAT THE COUNTY RECEIVED. THE FIRST COLUMN SHOWS WHAT WE CURRENTLY SPENT WE HAVE A PO FOR IT OR SPENT THE DOLLARS. THAT IS COMMITTED IN A CONTRACT AND TOTALS IN THE END CURRENT TOTAL TOTALS 38 MILLION DOLLARS. TWO THINGS WE ARE LOOKING FOR DIRECTION FROM THE BOARD ON ANY REALLOCATION FROM THIS FUNDING. ALSO POTENTIAL DIRECTION ON THE OTHER FOUR MILLION DOLLARS WE CAN PUT IT INTO THE BUDGET APPROPRIATEDLY. THIS MONEY HAS TO BE SPENT BY 2024. YOU CAN EXTEND THE CONSTRUCTION OF 2026. YOU HAVE TO BE IN AGREEMENT BY END OF 2024. >> COMMISSIONER? >> YOU MENTIONED THE BROADBAND PROJECT. WE ALSO HAVE JAIL EXPANSION. THAT IS AN ALREADY FUNDED PROJECT. COMMITTED MONEY, RIGHT? >> I DON'T THINK YOU SIGNED THE PROJECT. ASSUMING YOU ARE GOING TO. YOU MADE WHEN I LOOK AT COMMITTED, I AM LOOKING AT CONTRACT SIGNED SEALED DELIVERED. VERSES? >> NATHAN'S RIDGE? >> THAT IS DONE. CONTRACT SIGNED ON THAT. >> WE TALKED ABOUT, TROY YOU TALKED ABOUT GETTING GRANT FROM THE STATE IN INDIGO. >> IT IS 2.0, I AM LOOKING IS MEGAN IN THE ROOM? LITTLE OVER 2 MILLION DOLLARS FROM THE STATE. FINALIZING THAT RIGHT NOW. WE HAVE BEEN GOING BACK AND FORTH. >> YOU HAVE 2 MILLION, YOU WOULD HAVE A MILLION LEFT OVER DEADING ON THERESA'S DIRECTION. >> AS PART OF OUR EARLY DISCUSSIONS, WE HAVE NOT HAD ANY ACTIVITY TO IDENTIFY INDIGO BRANCH WATERSHED AND POSSIBLE LOCATIONS TO USE ARPA DOLLARS. WE FOCUSSED ON THREE MILLION AVAILABLE FROM OTHER ARPA TRAINAGE DOLLARS. RICHARD AND I WILL WORK TOGETHER HOW WE MOVE FORWARD. INDIGO BRANCH RUNS WALMART AREA ON BLANDING. AND WRAPS AROUND INTO LAWRENCE POND. WE HAVE BEEN HESITANT TO MOVE FORWARD ON TAS ASSIGNMENTS. >> WHEN SHOULD WE KNOW OR DO YOU HAVE AN IDEA? >> WE HAVE BEEN GOING BACK AND FORTH WITH REQUEST INFORMATION TO THE STATE. STATE HASN'T CONFIRMED A DEADLINE WHEN THE GRANT AGREEMENTS WILL GO OUT. APPLICATIONS SUBMITTED IN DECEMBER. I THINK WE ARE GETTING CLOSE TO THE POINT OF LOOKING AT AN AGREEMENT. >> FOR CLARIFICATION THIS IS NOT A COMPETITIVE GRANT. IT IS JUST MAKING SURE WE ARE MEETING THE INTENT OF THAT FUNDING. >> YES. >> THANK YOU, THERESA. COMMUNITY PROGRAMS. >> AT THE TIME, WE WERE GOING TO HAVE TO DO ANOTHER ROUND OF NON-PROFIT INDIVIDUALIZED GROUP LIKE WE DID FOR CARES. NON-PROFITS HAVE STABILIZE THEMSELVES SO WE DON'T CURRENTLY SEE THE NEED TO DO SIMILAR TO CARES ACT OUT OF AMERICAN RESCUE [01:20:04] PLAN. THAT IS THE BOARD'S DECISION IF YOU WANT TO DO A GRANT PROGRAM. THAT WOULD BE ANOTHER AREA YOU COULD REUTILIZE THAT FUNDING. >> THAT COULD BE POSSIBLY FOR MERCY, CORRECT? >> WHAT IS A $25,000 EARMARKED FOR? WHO DID THAT GO TO? >> THAT WAS USED TO OFFSET STAFF COST. >> AND OTHER ANCILLARY SMALL ITEMS TO SUPPORT IT DIDN'T GO TO ANYBODY DIRECTLY. >> HOW MUCH OF THIS. ARE WE NOT GOING TO DO THAT, MY QUESTION IS: KEYSTONE LAKES PROJECT, WE ARE BREAKING DOWN ON THE BLACK CREEK PIPELINE, THAT WAS FOR ANCILLARY PROJECTS. MY QUESTION IS HOW MUCH OF THIS IS, WE VOTED, PUBLIC WATCHED OUR VOTES. I UNDERSTAND WE HAVE THE PLEASURE OF MOVING THINGS AROUND. HOW MUCH OF IT IS NOT COMMITTED TO ENTITIES? >> MR. CHAIRMAN, IF I COULD, DOESN'T SEEM LIKE THERE IS THAT MANY. COULD WE GO DOWN LINE BY LINE AND MAKE A DETERMINATION? I HAVE BEEN TRYING TO DO THAT WITH LITTLE CHECK MARK. THAT WILL HELP US IMMEDIATELY FIGURE OUT YOUR ANSWER. >> ADMINISTRATOR EXPENSES 2.1 MILLION, SOME OF THAT IS REFLECTED IN GENERAL FUND. THAT NUMBER WILL BE REDUCED. WE CAN GET YOU A BETTER NUMBER GOING FORWARD. MILLION DOLLARS FOR BROADBAND DEFINITELY COMMITTED, CONTRACT. 230,000 FOR CLERKS OFFICE PROJECTS CURRENTLY SPECKING. I WOULD SAY THAT MONEY IS COMMITTED. 800,000 FOR COMMUNITY PROGRAMS, NO COMMITMENT FOR THAT. LOOKING FOR PLACES, 800,000. 100,000 FOR CONSTITUTIONAL REQUESTS, I HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY OTHER REQUESTS FOR CONSTITUTIONALS, THAT MONEY WOULD BE AVAILABLE. COURTHOUSE, $800,000, SECURITY SYSTEM YOU HAVE ON YOUR AGENDA THIS AFTERNOON. 500,000 FOR CYBER SECURITY ENHANCEMENTS. THERE ARE NO IDENTIFIED PROJECTS. THERE ARE THINGS WE WOULD LIKE TO DO TO ENHANCE CYBER SECURITY. NOTHING COMMITTED FOR THAT 500,000. 4.7 FOR THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT ASSUMING YOU ARE MOVING FORWARD WITH RENOVATIONS, I WOULD SAY COMMITTED. INDIGO BRANCH THREE MILLION. NOTHING COMMITTED. WE ARE GETTING 2 MILLION FROM THE STATE. DISCRETION OF DO YOU WANT TO STILL LEAVE THREE MILLION MORE OR IS THAT A PLACE WHERE YOU CAN SAY WE ARE GETTING 2 MILLION FROM THE STATE WE CAN USE IT FOR SOMETHING. JAIL CONVERSION, I WOULD SAY THAT MONEY NEEDS TO STAY THERE. ALSO YOU HAVE APPROPRIATIONS FROM THE STATE. THEY ARE LOOKING TO PUT MONEY INTO IT TO HELP. KEYSTONE LAKES PROJECTS. PARK IMPROVEMENT REPAIRS. I KNOW JUSTIN IS ACTIVELY WORKING ON A PLAN. I DON'T KNOW IF HE CAN BRIEF YOU ON THE PLAN. AS FAR AS COMMITTED, I WOULD HAVE TO REFER TO JUSTIN. >> LET'S GET IT DONE. >> COME ON DOWN. >> CURRENTLY WORKING ON THE TEAM FOUR ARPA PROJECTS. TWO TENNIS COURT CONVERSIONS PICKLEBALL IN TWIN LAKES. ADVERTISEMENT GOES OUT THURSDAY BIDS 26TH OF AUGUST. LOOKING TO AWARD THAT 13TH OF SEPTEMBER. ADDING LANGUAGE TO THAT CONTRACT FOR ANY FUTURE CONVERSION WE WANT TO DO USING ARPA FUNDING. ALSO WORKING ON RFP FOR PLAYGROUND RI PLACEMENTS. WE DO HAVE A PLAYGROUND REPLACEMENT PLAN IN PLACE. WE ARE LOOKING AT THUNDER BOLT PARK. [01:25:02] FOXMEADOW AND HUNTER DOUGLAS ARE THE NEXT ON THE LIST. ONCE THAT RFP COMES BACK, WE'LL BE ABLE TO UTILIZE. FINAL STAGES OF RFQ CONSULTANT SERVICES. ONCE THAT IS DONE, WE'LL, FIRST THING WE WANT TO ROLL OUT IS THE PARKS OF STRATEGIC MASTER PLAN. THAT IS A 10-YEAR PLAN FOR ALL CIP IMPROVEMENTS WE USE CIP FUNDING. THAT WE USE VOTER IMPROVEMENT. ONCE THAT COMES BACK. THAT IS 8-10 MONTH ASSESSMENT THEN GAME PLAN TO USE THOSE FUNDS APPROPRIATELY. >> TOTAL OF FIRST BUNCH OF PROJECTS YOU TALK ABOUT GOING OUT FOR BIDS AND STUFF ON, WHAT IS THAT NUMBER? >> WITH THE ARPA PICKLEBALL PROJECTS, 210 PER CONVERSION. LOO LOOKS 420. BLA PLAYGROUNDS, 60K AND THE OTHER 120. I WILL GUESSTIMATE 500-600,000. >> THAT WAS FOR FOUR PARKS? >> PICKLEBALL TWO LOCATIONS AND PLAYGROUNDS AT TWO LOCATIONS. >> YOU HAVE 600,000 COMMITTED? >> YES, SIR. >> PLUS 420. >> THAT IS INCLUDING. >> COMMISSIONER RENEGR. >> WHAT IS THE RIGHT NUMBER? >> TWO MILLION WE CAN DEFINITELY SPEND THAT. >> ONE OF THE THINGS WE ARE LOOKING AT ALL OF OUR PLAYGROUND UNITS, TENNIS COURTS. A LOT OF THEM HAVE CRACKS IN THE SEAMS WHICH IS A SAFETY CONCERN AS WELL AS OUR BASKETBALL COURTS. WHAT WE ARE FINDING IN OUR ASSESSMENTS SURFACING NOT BUILT PROPERLY. TO COAT THEM TWO OR THREE YEARS WE ARE RUNNING INTO THE SAME ISSUE. WE WANT TO DIG DEEPER AND REGRADE AND BUILD BACK UP PROPERLY. MY VOTE IS TO KEEP THE TWO MILLION. >> I GATHERED THAT. SAY THERE IS A MILLION LEFT THERE YOU CAN REQUEST. WE'LL THROW THAT IN A PILE WITH EVERYTHING ELSE. >> CONTINUING DOWN THE LIST, PHYSICAL SECURITY ENHANCEMENTS, 200,000. TO ADD CAMERAS. ONLY PROJECT COMMITTED EOC TO SECURE EOC. I'LL DEFER TO GENE. THAT IS 50-60,000 OF THAT 200,000. PINE RIDGE PROJECT. I'LL DEFER TO THERESA. I KNOW SHE HAS AN AREA OF EXPERTISE. >> ACTUALLY, ENGINEERING IN PUBLIC WORKS WORKING TOGETHER. RIGHT NOW, FOCUSSING ON THE AREA WHERE THE POND FALLS INTO THE POND. THERE IS EASILY UM, OVERA MILLION DOLLARS WORK ULTIMATELY IN THOSE TWO SECTIONS OF PINE RIDGE THAT WILL NEED TO BE DONE. BETWEEN RICHARD'S TEAM AND OUR TEAM THAT CAN BE SPENT. IT TAKES SOME RELIEF OFF THE OTHER DRAINAGE WHICH IS, WE ARE QUICKLY WORKING THROUGH ALSO. >> WHAT IS YOUR TIMING? >> ON PINE RIDGE? RICHARD? >> WE ARE CURRENTLY WAITING ON A PART TO COME IN. WE'LL ANALYZE THE SECTION FROM THE REPAIR COMPLETED PREVIOUSLY. DOWN TO THE POND. SHOULD BE DOING THAT NEXT TWO TO THREE WEEKS. BOND DRAINED. COULD BE 900,000. >> THAT IS WHY WE ARE HERE. [01:30:11] [LAUGHTER]. >> JUST TO ADD, PRIOR TO RICHARD AND I ARRIVING WITH THE COUNTY. THEY -- WE WERE ABLE TO SEE DAMAGE SEVERAL YEARS AGO. ONLY GOTTEN WORSE. IF YOU RIDE THE STREETS. WE HAVE MORE THAN ENOUGH DEMANDS ON THAT RIGHT NOW. >> SO CALL THAT COMMITTED FOR A YEAR? >> THIS IS ONE PLACE WE HAVE COMMITTED RESCUE UNITS. >> IF WE CAN RECEIVE THEM IN A TIMELY MANNER. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE IT IS WITH RESCUE UNITS. >> I THINK TROY STATED CORRECTLY, TRADE-OFF. REDUCES FUTURE COSTS. IT IS HOW YOU DO IT. WE BELIEVE BY '24 THE ABILITY TO PURCHASE THEM WILL IMPROVE. THAT IS SPECULATION BASED ON WHERE I THINK IT WILL BE NOT WHERE IT IS AT THE CURRENT TIME. >> WHAT THE SPEND RATE? TYPICALLY WE HAVE SEEN 18-24 MONTHS ON TURN AROUND. >> TO CLARIFY, THIS IS LISTED TWICE CIP? >> QUESTION IS, IF YOU WANT US TO USE ARPA FUNDS THAT REDUCES 1 AND A HALF MILLION OUT OF CIP. IF IT STAYS IN CIP -- >> IT IS LISTED TWICE? >> IT IS LISTED TWICE IN TWO DIFFERENT FUNDING STREAMS. >> WE NEED THE CIP NOW THOUGH, RIGHT TO BALANCE THE BUDGET. >> PROBABLY NOT WE WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT PROCUREMENT METHOD. >> THAT IS WHAT I AM GETTING AT. THEY'LL BE HERE BY '24. >> I HOPE SO. WHY DON'T WE MAKE THAT PRIORITY? >> WE CAN LOOK AT THAT. >> COMMISSIONER, I DIDN'T MEAN TO TUT YOU OFF. >> NEXT. >> NEXT ITEM, REIMBURSEMENT TO COUNTY BASED HEALTH PLAN. OUR HEALTH SELF-INSURANCE PLAN HAS BEEN EXPERIENCING HIGHER DEMAND DUE TO COVID. JENNIFER IS IN THE AUDIENCE. THIS IS THE TWO MILLION DOLLARS WE SLATED TO BASICALLY HELP OFFSET OUR COSTS. >> WE ARE EIGHT MILLION OUT OF LINE ON THAT ONE, RIGHT? >> SO TODAY WE HAVE SPENT ALMOST 5.3 MILLION JUST SPECIFIC TO COVID-RELATED CLAIMS TO HAVE THAT EXPERIENCE ON OUR TRUST FUND RIGHT NOW WOULD HAVE A LONG-TERM IMPACT ON THE FUNDING LEVELS COUNTY WOULD HAVE TO BEAR PLUS ALSO SHIFT TO THE ACTUARY DETERMINATION FOR PREMIUMS AND EFFECT ON EMPLOYEES AND RETIRE Y REES. WE EXPECT UP TICK IN THE LAST MONTH. HEALTH INSURANCE CLAIMS HAVE BEEN LEVELLING OFF. WE DID HAVE ABOUT THREE MILLION DOLLARS WORTH OF COVID-RELATED CLAIMS. WE CHOSE ONE MONTH AT THAT POINT TO HAVE AN INVOICE PAID 2.5 MILLION. FOR SEVERAL MONTHS WE HAVE HAD OUR INVOICING GETTING CLOSE TO TWO MILLION DOLLARS IN THE LAST [01:35:05] SIX MONTHS IT HAS BEEN LEVELLING OFF. SO LIKE LAST MONTH 1.6 MILLION. THAT IS MORE IN LINE WITH OUR REGULAR EXPERIENCE. AND RIGHT NOW WE HAVE SPENT OVER 5.2 MILLION DOLLARS SPECIFIC TO CO COVID-RELATED CASES. >> 5.3 MILLION YOU HAVE REIMBURSED 2.8. >> WOULD THAT GIVE US RELIEF IN ANOTHER AREA? WHERE IS THAT MONEY COMING FROM? >> IT IS GOING TO HELP STABILIZE THE HEALTH INSURANCE TRUST BECAUSE IT IS FUNDING, SELF-FUNDED, COUNTY IS BASED ON ACTUARIAL FUNDING. CLAIM IS A COST IS THE WAY I SAY IT. SO FOR US TO HAVE MONEY TO AFFORD THE LEVEL OF CLAIMS THAT WE HAVE BEEN EXPERIENCING, THEN IF WE ARE NOT GETTING REIMBURSEMENT THROUGH ARPA, COUNTY HAS TO FUND THAT ANY WAY. >> LONG-TERM IMPACT COST OF PREMIUMS TO THE COUNTY. INCREASES EMPLOYEES. SO THE INTENT HERE IS TO HELP SUBSIIZE OUR HEALTH INSURANCE PLAN SO THAT WE DON'T SEE THOSE IMPACTS TO EITHER OUR COST AS THE COUNTY OR INDIVIDUAL COST OF THE EMPLOYEE. >> OUR COST AS A COUNTY COMES FROM WHERE? WHICH ONE OF OUR BUDGET BUCKETS? >> GENERAL FUND. >> THIS IS A DIRECT AID TO US. >> YES. >> COMMISSIONER? >> I HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS. MY FIRST QUESTION, WHY ARE WE EXPECTING UPTICK ON CLAIMS, INFORMATION FROM HEATHER HUFFMAN FROM THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT, COVID POSITIVITIES UP, DEATHS AND HOSPITALIZATIONS ARE NOT? >> SIGNIFICANT COST CLAIMS WE SHOULD NOT SEE THAT. IN TERMS OF NUMBER OF POSITIVE CASES. SOME TYPE OF HEALTH CARE FACILITY. WE WILL SEE SOME OF THAT. THAT IS JUST BASED ON THE GRAPHING WE GET FROM FLORIDA BLUE EVERY MONTH WE GET A REPORT UPDATED AND GONE BACK FROM THE FIRST COVID CASE THEY HAD IN 2019 WE HAVE A RUNNING COST WE MAINTAIN. WE DO SEE GRAPHING BASED ON NUMBER OF CASES BEING REPORTED TO OUR HEALTH INSURANCE THROUGH A CLAIM. >> THAT IS QUITE SKEWED. SO IS THERE AN EFFORT TO HAVE FLORIDA BLUE OR ANY OTHER CARRIER OR ANY OTHER ACTUARY TO TAKE THE PRIMARY YEARS OF COVID PREVACCINE WITH ALL THE COST OF ALL THE DELTA VARIANT ALL OF THAT KIND OF ISSUE AND SAY THIS IS A UNIQUE SITUATION NOT LIKELY TO REPLICATE ITSELF IN THE NEXT YEAR. IT IS REALLY NOT FAIR TO SAY WE HAVE TO BEAR THE COST OF ALL OF THAT WHEN THIS IS A ONCE IN A LIFETIME PANDEMIC. >> WE DID TAKE THAT INTO ACCOUNT. THE ACTUARY WHO HANDLES ONE OF OUR REPORTINGS TO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, IT IS 112 REPORT. THEY GET TALL CLAIMS INFORMATION, GOES BACK A COUPLE OF YORES, THEY DO TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION. OUR FILING FOR THIS YEAR. THAT HELPS US TO DETERMINE HOW MUCH MONEY WE NEED TO HAVE IN RESERVES TO CARRY OVER TO MAINTAIN A HEALTHY FUND. IN THIS YEAR, WE DID TAKE THAT INTO ACCOUNT. WE SAID IN LAST YEAR'S EXPENSES, WE APPLIED 2.5 MILLION DOLLARS. HEALTH INSURANCE CLAIMS COST ADJUSTED DOWNWARD FOR THAT. SO THE COUNTY WOULDN'T HAVE HAD TO INCREASE THE LEVEL OF FUNDING. IN THIS CURRENT YEAR SAME THING WE DID. SO WE HAVE MADE AN ADJUSTMENT ABOUT FOUR AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS, WHICH WAS THE LEVEL OF EXPENSES ONE THAT HAS BEEN EXPENSE PREVIOUSLY AND ADDITIONAL TWO MILLION IN YEAR TWO. WE ARE TAKING THAT PORTION AND SAYING OKAY, IF NOT FOR COVID, WHAT WOULD A CLAIMS EXPERIENCE [01:40:03] HAVE BEEN. WHAT IS THE APPROPRIATE LEVEL OF FUNDING THAT A COUNTY HAS TO PREPARE FOR? ALSO BY DOING THAT, UM, WE SAW THE LEVEL OF FUNDING WOULD HAVE HAD TO INCREASE I THINK 12%, DEBBIE FROM WHEN WE WORKED WITH ACTUARY. JUST BASED ON NORMAL INCREASING MEDICAL COSTS, WE ENDED UP CLOSER TO 5%. ONCE WE MADE THE ADJUSTMENT. THAT WAS ACCOUNTED FOR. >> FINAL QUESTION, THIS DRUG THIS PAXLOVID THAT PFIZER CHYME UP WITH GREAT IRONY PFIZER HAD THE VACCINE AND GETTING ALL THE PRESCRIPTIONS FOR THIS, WHAT IS THE REIMBURSEMENT FOR THAT? >> I WOULD HAVE TO RESEARCH THAT. >> THAT WOULD BE WORTHWHILE FROM AN ADVOCACY STANDPOINT IN MY OPINION FOR THOSE OF US THAT BEAR THE BRUNT OF THE COST OF HEALTH INSURANCE. FEDERAL REPRESENTATIVES, THERE IS A PUSH TO LOOK AT PRESCRIPTION DRUG COSTS. WOULD BE INTERESTING TO KNOW WHAT WE ARE PAYING FOR THAT AND THE VACCINATIONS. AT ONE POINT WE WERE NOT PAYING ANYTHING NOW WE ARE HAVING TO PAY. THAT IS SOMETHING THAT COULD HELP ME TO HELP OUR EMPLOYEES TO NOT BEAR THE BRUNT OF THE COSTS. >> LAST YEAR WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY CHANGE IN THE RATE THE COUNTY HAD TO FUND THE PLAN. THERE WAS NO RATE INCREASE FOR THE ACTIVE EMPLOYEE NEITHER THE RETIREE. IN THE UPCOMING YEAR, WE ARE HOPING TO MAINTAIN IT. WE HAVEN'T HAD INCREASE TO THE PREMIUMS, THE FIFTH YEAR RUNNING. >> THE TWO MILLION IS THE RIGHT NUMBER? >> IF I COULD GET 5.3 MILLION TO COVER ALL THE COSTS, I AM GOING TO BE LIKE JUSTIN. THE MORE WE CAN OFFSET TRUE COST OF COVID, THE BETTER OFF, COUNTY ISN'T HAVING TO HAVE THAT ADDITIONAL BURDEN TO BE ABSORBED. >> SO IN THEORY, WE COULD BUILD THE TRUST FUND BACK OVER TIME ANY WAY? >> YES. YES. >> IN THIS CASE WE CAN DO IT WITH FEDERAL MONEY AND NOT OUR DOLLARS. MY VOTE WOULD BE TO PUT AS MUCH MONEY INTO THIS AS WE CAN. THIS IS A NO BRAINER. WE WON'T HAVE TO JUSTIFY IT. WE HAVE THE EVIDENCE RIGHT. IT IS MONEY, FIVE MILLION BUCKS. YEAR ONE AND TWO, SAME THING? >> SO YEAR ONE, THAT HAS BEEN SPENT, 2.518 MILLION. SECOND YEAR 2 MILLION EARMARKED. >> FOR WHAT? >> CURRENT YEAR. >> IF WE WANTED TO BUMP THIS TO FIVE MILLION A YEAR, THIS IS A 10 MILLION A YEAR ABSORPTION? >> NO. >> LAST REPORT AND CLAIMS INFORMATION DO TEND TO LAG TO US. AS OF JUNE, WE WOULD HAVE SPENT 5.3 MILLION DOLLARS. OF THE 5.3, 2.518 MILLION LAST FISCAL YEAR, EARMARKED 2 MILLION TO BE APPLIED CURRENT FISCAL YEAR. >> THAT WOULD INDICATE 500,000 SHORT. >> SO I WOULD SUGGEST WE ADD MONEY THERE. >> LET'S GET THE FULL -- WE'LL GET THAT ON THE OTHER END WHEN WE DON'T HAVE TO PUT IT IN OURSELVES. THIS IS A GOOD LEGITIMATE THING THIS IS DESIGNED TO ADDRESS. >> FROM PARKS YOU CAN PUT THAT EXCESS. >> I DON'T KNOW THAT I AM READY TO GIVE UP PARKS MONEY. WE HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING FOR OUR PARKS SINCE 2008 WHEN THE CRASH HAPPENED. THE ARPA MONEY FOR RECREATIONAL OPPORTUNITIES. >> OUTDOOR ACTIVITIES. >> AND THAT IS A ONCE IN A LIFETIME. AGAIN IF THE FUND WILL BUILD ITSELF BACK UP BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT GOING TO HAVE THOSE LEVELS OF CLAIMS, CAN'T TAKE THAT MONEY AND PUT IT IN THE PARKS. >> WE CAN DO ANYTHING WE WANT TO. >> YOU CAN'T TAKE HEALTH TRUST FUND MONEY AND LATER ON PUT IT [01:45:01] IN THE PARKS Z. >> I AM TALKING ABOUT ARPA MONEY. >> THIS BUDGET IS 38 MILLION DOLLARS. WE CAN HOLD 4 MILLION DOLLARS BACK ORIGINALLY WE NEED TO PLAN FOR SOME WHERE. >> FIND THE MONEY -- FIND A MILLION BUCKS. >> WE HAVE THAT. >> THERE ARE OTHER SOURCES. >> GOING DOWN THE LIST, STORM WATER PROJECTS. THAT IS THE 6 MILLION DOLLARS WE ALLOCATED FOR THERESA AND RICHARD TO DO IMPROVEMENTS. >> SBDC. >> NORTH FLORIDA SMALL BUSINESS WE ALREADY SPENT THE MONEY ON TO GET US THROUGH 2024. SO 6 MILLION FOR STORM WATER PROJECTS. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO HEAR FROM THERESA ON HER PLANS. >> WHETHER WE LIKE IT OR NOT. >> I AM WATCHING ALL THAT MONEY. JUSTIN AND I ARE GOOD FRIENDS. RICHARD IS LOOKING AT THE PAVING PROGRAM. WHAT WE HAVE DONE IS LOOKING AT, WE HAD OLD WORK ORDERS BACK FROM 2015/2016 KNOCKING THOSE OUT AS PART OF THIS. CONTRACTS RECENTLY SIGNED WE CAN WORK WITH PURCHASING TO GET THE PO'S IN PLACE. SO WE HAVE EASILY KNOCKED OUT THE FIRST THREE MILLION WITHOUT EVEN THINKING ABOUT IT. PLENTY OF WORK TO DO, TO USE THE NEXT THREE MILLION. REALLY, WE HAVE HIT AREAS THROUGHOUT -- SO IT IS A NICE MIX OF NEEDS THAT WILL BE MET THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY. >> QUESTIONS? COMMENTS. >> LAST ITEM STORM WATER INFRASTRUCTURE STUDY, YOU ARE GETTING READY TO AWARD TONIGHT SO WORK FORCE HOUSING COMMITTED? >> ALREADY SIGNED, SEALED DELIVERED. [COMMISSIONERS' COMMENTS] >> GOT THROUGH THAT GOOD. ANYTHING ELSE YOU NEED FOR US? DIRECTION ON ARPA. ANY PROJECTS YOU WANT TO SEE US ADD TO ARPA. LET US KNOW THAT NOW OR OFF LINE. >> I WOULD LIKE TO REQUEST 800,000 TO GO TO MERCY FOR COMMUNITY PROGRAMS. >> OKAY. ANYBODY ELSE? IT IS THEIR REQUEST, TOO. >> MY CONCERN. >> THEY ALL START LINING UP. >> I DON'T KNOW WHAT OUR PROCESS IS. >> I THINK YOU DON'T SLEEP YOU COME. THEY SHOW US E-MAILS AND LETTERS. >> MY QUESTION HOW MANY ARE COMING OUT OF CLAY COUNTY AND OTHER AREAS. WE CAN'T SUPPORT THE WHOLE WORLD. THAT HAS ALWAYS BEEN MY PROBLEM. I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER BURKE. PUT FORWARD A PROPOSAL WHETHER WE FUND SPECIFICS OF THE PROPOSAL. PEOPLE UNDERSTAND NATHAN'S RIDGE WE PAID THEIR IMPACT FEES. THAT MONEY WENT FROM ONE POCKET TO ANOTHER POCKET. IN TERMS OF HOUSING FOR PEOPLE. [01:50:08] WE ALL KNOW THAT IS NOT THE EASIEST THING TO DO IS FIND HOUSING IN CLAY COUNTY. THEY ARE IN THE SAME SITUATION HAVING TROUBLE TO FIND A PLACE TO STAY IN THE COUNTY. PART OF THAT IS FOR CCUA TO PUT IN SEWER AND WATERS. I WOULD ALSO BE IN FAVOR TO TALK ABOUT ALL OF THOSE PARCELS THAT COULD BE OPEN FOR DEVELOPMENT. HOW DO WE HAVE A STREET THAT IS VIABLE IN TERMS OF PROPERTY TAXES WITHOUT ABILITY TO GET SEWER AND WATER THERE. THAT IS WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE. ESSENTIALLY, THREE MILLION. WE ARE AT ABOUT FOUR MILLION. EVEN IF WE GET HEALTH TRUST FUND. THOSE ARE THINGS I WOULD LIKE TO LOOK TO FUND. CRAWFORD AND HIS TEAM WOULD HAVE AN AREA POSSIBLY GETTING A SITE READY FOR INVESTMENT BY SOMEBODY COMING OUT OF THE COUNTY BY BUSINESSES. WE ARE NOT GOING TO SETTLE THAT ISSUE. COME UP WITH BETTER SPECIFICS FARCE WHAT IS AVAILABLE. WE CAN SIT DOWN AND WORK OUR WAY THROUGH IT. >> WE PILED IT OUT THE DOOR, WE DIDN'T HAVE A POLICY. >> WE HAVE TO SPEND IT IN TWO YEARS. >> MY UNDERSTANDING WHEN WE AGREED TO THE 38 MILLION WAS 800,000 EARMARKED FOR COMMUNITY PROGRAMS. >> SORRY, I THOUGHT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT -- WE HAVE ANOTHER 3 MILLION. >> I UNDERSTAND THAT. I AM NOT WILLING TO SAY 3.8 MILLION FOR COMMUNITY PROGRAMS THAT WILL EFFECT. I'LL BE HONEST, I THINK WHAT THEY DO IS REMARKABLE. IT VERY, VERY -- VERY LIMITED ACCESS OF ANYBODY IN MY DISTRICT TO WHAT THEY DO. BUT THERE ARE A LOT OF NON-PROFITS THAT HAVE OTHER IMPACTS IN THE COUNTY. OUR COUNTY IS LAND MASS DRIVEN. ALL I WAS SAY EGG I DID THAT UNDER WE WOULD HAVE SOME KIND OF A POLICY AND THAT THE NON-PROFITS WOULD PRESENT A PRESENTATION MUCH LIKE THEY PRESENTED. AND IF YOU WANT TO KEEP THE 800,000 AND HAVE US TELL NON-PROFITS WHAT TO DO TO APPLY FOR IT. THAT IS FINE. I WOULD SAY MERCY PROJECT. WOULD COME UNDER MY GUISE AND WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST ABOVE AND BEYOND 800,000. >> OO AGREE OPENING UP SEWER AND WATER, SURE THERE ARE THINGS UNDER THE GATEWAY TO CLAY INITIATIVE. NEXT YEAR, TOO EARLY. THEY'LL COME WITH PROJECTS. I DON'T KNOW I WANT TO COMMIT [01:55:04] THE MONEY. HOW MANY CITIZENS CAN WE IMPACT WITH ULTIMATELY THEIR TAX DOLLARS? WE COULD DO SOME KIND OF PARKING IMPROVEMENTS AT THE FAIRGROUNDS. HOW CAN WE IMPACT THE MOST CITIZENS IF YOU ARE THINKING THAT BROADLY, I HAVE NO PROBLEM. AT THE SAME TIME, THERE ARE FIVE OF US. ONLY SO MANY LOAVES OF BREAD WE CAN CHOOSE FROM. >> OKAY. WE HAVE TOUGH DECISION ISES. >> HOW AS A GOVERNMENT DO WE DECIDE HOW TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN. NOT VUR GIVING THEM RAW MONEY IS THE RIGHT WAY TO GO. AT THE SAME TIME, IF IT IS THE BOARD'S DESIRE, WE CAN BRING BACK, HEY, HERE ARE SUGGESTIONS HOW YOU CAN FUND ARPA. >> MAYBE WE CAN INTEGRATE THIS WHOLE THING. >> WE'LL LOOK AT BRINGING SOMETHING BACK TO YOU THAT ADDRESSES BOTH SIDES. THE LARGER MERCY-TYPE PROJECTS AND ALSO IF YOU SO DESIRE TO FUND THE OTHER NON-PROFITS METHODOLOGY IF THAT PLEASES THE BOARD. >> DIDN'T WE HAVE A POLICY IN PLACE WHEN WE DID THE CARES ACT? >> RIGHT. USING SOMETHING SIMILAR GOING FORWARD. EVERYBODY DID YOUR PRESENTATIONS, THEN WE SET THE BUDGET. WE ARE CHANGING THAT MODEL, WE'LL SET THE BUDGET, YOU DECIDE MUCH MONEY AND PLAN TO AWARD THAT MONEY ONCE WE HAVE ESTABLISHED BUDGET. VICTORIA WAS PLANNING ON PRESENTING THAT IN AUGUST. WE'LL ADD THAT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN? >> WHAT ELSE DO YOU NEED FROM US? >> NOTHING ELSE I KNOW OF. REMINDER THIS AFTERNOON, VOTING ON MAX MILLAGE. DEBBIE PRESENTED THE BUDGET BOOK THAT HAS FUN LEVEL PROJECTS. THREE OPTIONS FOR MILLAGE PROPOSED. ONE IS TO SET MAX MILLAGE RATE BASED ON HOW HIGH. SECOND WOULD BE THE ONE WE RECOMMEND. LEAVING MILLAGE SET AT 8.6810. WITH THE CHANGE HOW MUCH GOES TO MSU VERSES HOW MUCH GOES TO GENERAL FUND. AND THEN NO CHANGES TO REDISTRIBUTION. IF THAT MAKES SENSE. >> YOU TALK ABOUT REDISTRIBUTION. WHAT IS THAT? >> TRYING TO INCREASE UNINCORPORATED MSTU. WE ARE INCREASING THAT TO PROPERLY ACCOUNT FOR EXPENSES. YOU HAVE TO DECREASE GENERAL FUND BUDGET A LITTLE BIT. AGGREGATE MILLAGE RATE 8.6810. STAYS THE SAME. EVERYBODY BUT GREEN COVE. >> WE ARE GOING TO CHARGE LITTLE [02:00:26] MORE TO PEOPLE THAT ARE BUILDING STUFF. >> WE ARE GIVING A TAX BREAK TO THE CITIES? MUNICIPALITIES. >> HMM. >> IT IS A MATTER OF PERCEPTION. >> [LAUGHTER]. JUST TAKE THAT TINY LITTLE MICR MICROCOSM, I HAVE COUNTY ROADS, I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH A GENTLEMAN WHO LIVES ON UNPAVED COUNTY MAINTAINED ROAD. HE HAS A DOORBELL CAMERA THAT WATCHES, 100 CARS THAT GO PASSED HIS HOUSE. HE IS ON A COUNTY ROAD. CITY OF KEYSTONE HEIGHTS HAS NO MONEY TO IMPROVE HIS ROAD. WITH ALREADY 100 CARS THAT GO BACK. >> THIS IS NOT MAINTENANCE, IT IS YOUR PLANNING, ZONING DEPARTMENT. >> I STILL BEG TO DIFFER. >> I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION. >> MAX RATE ESTABLISHED STATUTE. >> HOW DO YOU ESTABLISH MAXED MILLAGE RATE IS MY QUESTION? >> STATE FORMULA. IS THAT THE ANSWER? >> CORRECT. >> THE OR. >> THANK YOU. >> WHAT YOU ADOPT TONIGHT IS WHAT GOES ON THE TAX BILL. >> OKAY. COUNTY MANAGER TAKEAWAYS, COMMENTS? >> REAL QUICK. TROY TOOK LITTLE BIT OF THUNDER AWAY FROM THIS AFTERNOON. IT IS OKAY. I HAVE IT WRITTEN OUT. THIS WILL BE PROVIDED AT THE BCC MEETING. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS, AGAIN THREE OPTIONS GIVEN: MAXIMUM OPTION IS 10.4462. MILLAGE RATE. THIS PROVIDES A LOT MORE MONEY TO THE BUDGET BUT IT TAXES THE COMMUNITY MORE ON THAT NUMBER. WE ARE NOT RECOMMENDING THAT AT ALL. TO GO TO THAT. WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO BALANCE THE BUDGET WHAT HAS BEEN PRESENTED WITH 8.601. SECOND OPTION TROY IS TALKING ABOUT. THAT IS WHAT WE LIKE THE COMMISSIONERS AND BOARD TO LOOK AT AND MOVE FORWARD. DOLLAR AMOUNT, STATUTORILY WE CAN ONLY INCREASE BY A CERTAIN AMOUNT. CAN'T GO OVER 10%. THAT 10% IN MILLAGE, IT IS 0.1343. IF YOU KEPT IT SAME 0.1221. I WASN'T READY TO BRIEF YOU THIS. DOLLAR AMOUNT IS $161,151. >> COUNTYWIDE. >> THAT IS WHAT THE DELTA WOULD BE INCREASED WHICH COVERS, ENGINEERING, CODE ENFORCEMENT AND THOSE ITEMS. AGAIN I'LL PRESENTED THIS. OPTION 3 IF THE BOARD DOESN'T LIKE THE DELTA IT IS 8.6701. IT IS SHORT 161,000 THAT IS THERE. THANKS, TROY FOR BRINGING IT UP GRAPHICALLY. 0.1343 EQUALS 1773,987. IF YOU DON'T, 1,612,836. AGAIN I'LL PROVIDE A COPY. >> OPTION 2 RAISES TAXES? >> NO. NO, SIR. IT JUST ALLOCATES THOSE MONEYS TO UNINCORPORATED SIDE. >> TAX RATE DOES NOT CHANGE. >> THAT IS CORRECT. >> BUT MOST RESIDENT'S TAX BILL WOULD GO UP. PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THE [02:05:02] MUNICIPALITIES. THEIR TAX RATE WOULD GO DOWN. >> TAX RATE PURPOSES, 8.6.10. THOSE IN THE UNINCORPORATED AREA WOULD SEE. OVERALL, IT WILL STILL PAY THE SAME. MUNICIPALITIES. A SMALL DECREASE FROM THE COUNTY. THEY ARE NOT CHARGED THAT PIECE. >> I UNDERSTAND Y'ALL GETTING FRUSTRATED WITH US. I ALSO UNDERSTAND THIS IS A VERY IMPORTANT THING FOR OUR CITIZENS TO HEAR. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US HAVE THIS CONVERSATION AGAIN THIS AFTERNOON AND THAT YOU EXPLAIN EXACTLY HOW EVERY CITIZEN'S TAX BILL WILL BE IMPACTED. YOU SAY $.73. IS IT $.73 PER WHAT? PER PARCEL? PER 100,000? THAT IS IMPORTANT. >> WE CAN DO THAT. >> $160,000 COMING IN WE DIDN'T HAVE BEFORE COMING IN FROM SOME >> NO. INSTEAD OF BEING DISTRIBUTED IN THIS POCKET. >> I CAN ILLUSTRATE THIS EASILY. RIGHT NOW, THE TOTAL, THE 14 MILLION DOLLARS CERTIFIED TAXABLE VALUE FOR EVERYTHING IN THE COUNTY. CURRENTLY ASSESSED 5.WHAT IS THE NUMBER DEBBIE? >> IT IS 5.5727. >> YOU ARE TAXING EVERYBODY IN THE COUNTY AT 5.57. WE ARE REDUCING THAT DOWN TO 5.56. THAT IS WHAT EVERYBODY, 14 BILLION DOLLARS IN PROPERTIES PAY. WE ARE GOING TO INCREASE TO THE 13 BILLION DOLLARS WHICH IS THE UNINCORPORATED AREA. SO THE IT CITIZEN IN UNINCORPORATED AREA WILL SEE NO CHANGE. CITIZENS IN MUNICIPALITY WILL SEE 0.01 MILLAGE DECREASE BECAUSE THEY DON'T PAY THE UNINCORPORATED SERVICES IF YOU LIVE THERE. >> THEY DON'T GET THE SERVICES. >> THEY DON'T GET SERVICES OF OUR ENGINEERING, PLANNING, ZONING DEPARTMENTS. HENCE THE REASON IT SHOULD BE BY STATUTE. THEY DON'T JUST LIVE AND STAY APPLY TO THINGS OUTSIDE OF THEIR MUNICIPALITIES. IT IS DIFFERENCE IN OPINION. COMMISSIONER SAID WE EACH GET A VOTE. I DON'T KNOW IF I AM COMFORTABLE GIVING MUNICIPALITY TAX -- WE JUST HAD A TWO-HOUR CONVERSATION ABOUT HOW WE HAVE TO CUT SERVICES. WHY DO WE GIVE TAX BREAK TO MU AN -- MUNICIPALITIES THAT USE THAT? >> WHAT ARE THE DELIVERABLES? >> NEXT BOARD MEETING WILL HAVE THE -- >> CIP REVISIONS. >> ALSO BRING TO YA THE ARPA PLAN FOR THAT. THEN FOR THE MONTH OF AUGUST, WE'LL TALK ABOUT NON-PROFITS. BRING THAT TO THE BOARD IN A PROPOSED POLICY TO MOVE ON THE ARPA FUNDS WITH REGARDS TO NON-PROFITS. THOSE ARE THE THREE DELIVERABLES. >> THAT WILL HAPPEN IN TWO WEEKS? >> YES, SIR. >> TWO WEEKS. >> OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE? >> THAT IS IT? >> AUGUST 9TH. * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.