Jul 05, 2022 Planning Commission

[Call to Order]

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>> WELCOME EVERYBODY TO THE JULY MEETING OF THE CLAIP COUNTY PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION. WE WILL GET STARTED IN JUST A MINUTE BUT BEFORE WE DO THAT IF I COULD ASK EVERYBODY TO STAND AND PLEDGE. MR. BOURRE.

>> I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

>> THANK YOU. BEFORE WE GET STARTED HERE I'M JUST GOING TO DO SOME INTRODUCTIONS MANY MY NAME IS RALPH PUCKHABER. I'M THE CHAIRMAN OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR THIS YEAR AND WE HAVE SOME MEMBERS OF STAFF HERE AS WELL BUT I'LL START WITH THE DAIS TO MY RIGHT, PETE DAVIS, NEXT IS BO NORTON, OR VICE CHAIR MARCH I BRIGMAN AND TO MY LEFT IS MICHAEL BOURRE, JOE ANZALONE AND BILL GARRISON.

NEXT TO BILL IS LANCE ADDISON. LANCE REPRESENTS THE CLAY COUNTY SCHOOL BOARD AT THESE MEETINGS AN NEXT TO HIM IS SAMUEL TOZERER WHO REPRESENTS CAMP BLANDING IN THIS MEETINGS.

I SEE ED LAYMAN, ZONING DIRECTOR, COURTNEY GRIMM OUR COUNTY ATTORNEY, JAMIE HOVDA OUR NEW ASSISTANT COUNTY ATTORNEY MIKE BROWN, ZONING, BETH CARSON CHIEF PLANNER AND WHERE IS CHEREESE? OH, I SEE HER.

CHEREESE STEWART IS HERE AS WELL WHO IS DIRECTOR OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT SERVICES AND AS ALWAYS, WE DO APPRECIATE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT PROVIDING SECURITY HERE FOR THE MEETING AND I SEE WE HAD SERGEANT DOUG, OR SERGEANT MCDADE.

DID I MENTION BETH? DID I GET YOUR NAME? OKAY. I GOT COURTNEY.

OH, AND HANNAH. SEE YOU GUYS HIDE BACK THERE.

HANNAH TROU FROM THE RECORDING OBVIOUS TAKE MNUTES FOR FUTURE USE. CLAY COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION ARE AN ADVISORY BOARD TO THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS MANY THE DECISIONS WE MAKE OR THE RECOMMENDATIONS WILL GO TO VCC FOR FINAL SAY AND WE WILL SAY WHICH MEETING THAT IS AS WE GET EACH ITEM. JUST SO I DON'T FORGET THE NEXT PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING IS AUGUST 2ND.

AND WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE HERE TONIGHT, SO I'M NOT GOING TO GO THROUGH THE WHOLE PROCESS BUT IF ANYBODY HAS A QUESTION ABOUT HOW THINGS ARE HAPPENING, I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM. OF COURSE ONE THING WE DO ASK IS IF YOU HAVE A CELL PHONE THAT YOU PUT IT ON VIBRATE AND IF YOU HAVE TO TAKE A CALL JUST STEP OUTSIDE TO DO THAT THE ALSO THERE ARE SOME COMMENT CARDS IN THE VESTIBULE LIKE THIS SO IF ANYONE WANTS TO SPEAK ON ONE OF THE ITEMS AND YOU'RE NOT THE APPLICANT, PLEASE FILL ONE OUT AND YOU CAN HAND TO IT ANY OF THE STAFF PEOPLE. WITH THAT, WE WILL LAUNCH RIGHT INTO OUR AGENDA FOR THE NIGHT. OKAY.

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MEETING ON JUNE 7TH. >> I'D LIKE TO MOVE THAT THEY BE APPROVED WITH SOME MINOR CORRECTIONS THAT I SENT INTO THE

CLERK'S OFFICE. >> OKAY.

DOES ANYBODY NEED TO KNOW WHAT THOSE CORRECTIONS ARE?

ARE YOU OKAY WITH THAT? >> DO WE HAVE THE CORRECTIONS

READILY HANDY? >> HANNAH DO YOU HAVE THOSE HANDY? [INAUDIBLE]

>> OKAY. [INAUDIBLE]

>> OKAY. >> THEN I'LL SECOND THE MOTION.

>> ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT? ALL IN FAVOR STATE AYE?

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THERE IS A GENERAL PUBLIC HEARING AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS MEETING THAT DOESN'T PERTAIN SPECIFICALLY TO ANY OF THE ITEMS ON THE AGENDA AS LONG AS WHATEVER WANT TO TALK ABOUT PERTAINS TO THE WORK OF THIS BOARD YOU'RE WELCOME TO COME UP AND SPEAK AND I BELIEVE I HAVE A CARD, MR. DONALD, DID YOU WANT TO SPEAK DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING? WAS THAT THE GENTLEMAN THAT LEFT? OKAY. OKAY, LET ME OPEN THAT PUBLIC HEARING. SEEING NO ONE APPROACH I'M GOING TO CLOSE THAT PUBLIC HEARING AND WE WILL MOVE INTO OUR AGENDA FOR THE EVENING. THE FIRST ITEM IS A PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER CPA 2022-05, IT IS A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT TO CHANGE THE FUTURE LAND USE OF JUST OVER ONE ACHE FORMER RURAL RESIDENTIAL TO COMMERCIAL.

THIS IS THE LAND USE ITEM. IT WILL BE FOLLOWED IMMEDITELY BY A REZONING FOR THE SAME PROPERTY.

IF YOU GUYS ARE OKAY WITH THAT, WE COULD GO AND DO BOTH OF THEM AND JUST TAKE THEM AS SEPARATE VOTES THAT THE WAY THE APPLICANT DOESN'T HAVE TO TALK ABOUT THE SAME THING TWICE.

IS THAT ALL RIGHT WITH YOU? >> OKAY.

[1.  Public Hearing to consider CPA 2022-05. (District 4, Comm. Condon) (B. Carson)]

[2.  Public Hearing to consider REZ 2022-11. (District 4, Comm. Condon) (B. Carson)]

>> SO THIS IS ITEM 1 AND 2. >> OKAY, SO I GUESS I'LL DO

QUICK POWER POINTS. >> YES.

>> THIS FIRST ITEM IS A COMP PLAN AMENDMENT A LAND USE AMENDMENT FROM RURAL TO COMMERCIAL, LOCATED IN THE MI MIDDLEBURG COMMISSION DISTRICT ATTORNEY CONDON, THE APPLICANT ARE THE HEIRS OF THE ELLIS HATCHER JUNIOR TRUST AND BEFORE YOU IS A DOCUMENT THAT COMMISSIONER BRIGMAN POINTED OUT WE NEEDED CONNECTION BETWEEN THE SIGNING OF APPLICANT WHICH IS -- I LOST THE NAME.

JUST DRAWING A BLANK. CHARLES GREEN IS THE TRUSTEE AND WE NEEDED A DOCUMENT TO SHOW THE CONNECTION BETWEEN CHARLES AN THE TRUST SO I PROVIDED THAT INFORMATION TO YOU AS WELL AS TO OUR RECORDING SECRETARY. THIS AS YOU SAID HAS A COMPANION REZONING WHICH WILL BE HEARD FOLLOWING THIS AND THIS ITEM WILL GO TO THE BCC ON JULY 26TH. THIS IS A PARCEL MAP.

IT'S A 1.094 PARCEL RESIDENTIAL PROPOSED TO GO TO COMMERCIAL.

IT'S ON THE EAST SIDE OF BLANDING SOUTH OF EVERETT.

THESE ARE THE LAND USE AND ZONING MAPS ON THE LEFT THE YELLOW ON THE LEFT, YELL SO RURAL VED COMMERCIAL.

OVER ON THE ZONING SIDE THE GREEN IS THE AR-2 ZONING DISTRICT WHICH IS RESIDENTIAL AND THE GRAY IS COMMERCIAL.

THIS IS AN AERIAL VIEW. YOU CAN SEE THERE'S NOT A LOT DEVELOPED AROUND IT IMMEDIATELY TO THE SOUTH THERE'S THE RESIDENTIAL IS VACANT AT THIS TIME.

THERE'S COMMERCIAL THAT'S DEVELOPED ON THE NORTH SIDE.

SOME OF ITS LIST ED AS VACANT ON THE PROPERTY APPRAISER SITE.

THE EFFECT ON LEVEL OF SERVICE THIS IS WITHIN THE URBAN SERVICE AREA THERE'S WATER AND WEATHER IS AVAILABLE.

THERE'S SOLID WASTE CAPACITY AVAILABLE.

THE PROPOSED USE IS LISTED AS A COFFEE DONUT SHOP WITH A DRIVE-THRU AND BASED ON THE ITE 937 THAT WOULD PRESENT A POTENTIAL 689 P.M. PEAK TRIPS AND STORM WATER WOULD BE ADDRESSED IN THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN SO THAT IS AVAILABLE.

THIS WOULD REPRESENT A REDUCTION OF ONE DWELLING UNITS AND INCREASE IN COMMERCIAL CAPACITY OF 19,000 FEET APPROXIMATELY.

THE RECOMMENDATION ON THIS ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT IS THAT THIS PARCEL IS AN INFILL AND MEETS OTHER CRITERIA FOR THE FUTURE LAND USE POLESI 1.148 AND WOULD MOTHER PROMOTE SPRAWL.

IT WOULD FILL IN THE STRETCH OF LAND.

ZACH RECOMMENDS APPROVAL ON THE COMP PLAN AMENDMENT.

AND USED LIKE ME TO SDZ GO THROUGH THE ZONING RIGHT NOW?

>> IF ANYBODY HAD QUESTIONS ON THE PLAN AMENDMENT F. YOU WOULD

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PLEASE. >> I ALSO DIDN'T MENTION JANIS FLEET IS THE APPLICANT FOR BOTH OF THOSE APPLICATIONS.

THE SECOND ITEM THE COMPANION ZONING IS Z 2211 THE APPLICANT IS CHANGING IN ZONING FROM RURAL TO NEIGHBERHOOD DISTRICT.

AGAIN THE SAME ACREAGE 1.094 ACRES.

THE SURROUNDING ZONINGS WHICH WE ALSO JUST LOOKED AT THE GRAY IS BB. AND THE AR 2 IS THE GREEN.

>> BETH JUST COULD THAT PS 1 THAT'S THE SCHOOL THAT'S RIGHT

THERE? >> I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THAT

AREA. >> THAT'S WHERE THE CHURCH IS?

>> THE SCHOOL WOULD BE THE OTHER DIRECTION.

>> OKAY. THANK YOU.

I WAS JUST TRYING TO GET WHERE I WAS.

>> PHOTOS OF THE SITE AGAIN THE AERIAL.

STAFF HAS REVIEWED THIS APPLICATION DETERMINED THAT THE REQUEST WOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN CATEGORY THAT THEY ARE ALSO REQUESTING IN THE COMPANION APPLICATION.

STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THIS APPLICATION AS WELL.

>> THANK YOU. IS THE APPLICANT HERE?

NAME AND ADDRESS PLEASE. >> YES, JANIS FLEET, ARCHITECTS PLANNERS 11557 HARBOR WAY JACKSONVILLE 32233.

I APPRECIATE WORKING WITH STAFF. I THINK MS. CARSON DID A GREAT JOB. IT'S A PARCEL NORTH OF THE MIDDLEBURG SHOPPING AREA WHERE IT'S JUST A NORTH PIECE AND BROKEN OFF I GUESS FROM MR. HATCHER, WARRANTY DEED WAS INTERESTING, AND THAT'S WHY WE ENDED UP HAVING THIS ISSUE BUT IT'S AN INFILL IN THAT THERE'S COMMERCIAL NORTH SIDE ADVANCED AUTO PARTS AS YOU'RE GOING NORTH BUT THEY SAY IF YOU PASS WITH CHURCHES AND SHOPPING CENTERS IS ON THE LEFT SIDE.

THIS IS ON THE RIGHT SIDE PAST WHERE THE MIDDLEBURG SHOPPING CENTER IS SO IT'S AN AREA THAT'S DEFINITELY INFILL PARCEL.

WHEN MY CLIENT WAS STARTING TO DO THE DUNKIN' DONUTS HE DOES I THINK EVEN THE ENGINE EAR AND WE ARE ASKING FOR YOUR APPROVAL.

I DON'T KNOW I HAVE ANY OPPOSITION IF I DO I'D LIKE TO

RESPOND IF THEY HAVE ANY. >> ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT ANYONE? MR. ANZALONE.

>> I SAW THE DUNKIN' DONUTS. IS THAT THE CLIENT?

>> YES, HE'S THE FRANCHISEE BUT IT'S PLANNED DUNKIN' DONUTS.

IF YOU'RE INTERESTED I HAVE A KIND OF A SITE PLAN OF IT I

THINK WE'VE SUBMITTED. >> THAT'S BEEN OKAY.

MY ONLY QUESTION WAS IS IT GOING TO BE 24 HOURS?

>> I DON'T THINK SO. >> OKAY.

I HAVE NOT HEARD THAT IT WAS IN THAT AREA.

>> ANYONE ELSE? I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION AND YOU PROBABLY MAY OR MAY NOT KNOW THE ANSWER.

STAFF MAY NOT. HOW DID WE END UP WITH THAT WHOLE STRIP OF COMMERCIAL IN THAT LITTLE PIECE IN THERE?

>> I DON'T KNOW. THE ONLY THING COULD I GUESS IS MAYBE THERE WAS A SUBDIVISION. MAYBE THEY WANTED ACCESS TO BLANDING AND THEY KEPT IT AS RESIDENTIAL.

>> YOU GOT SOMETHING? YOU GOT IT CHEREESE?

>> CHEREESE I THINK SAYS THERE USED TO BE A HOUSE.

I THINK THAT'S WHAT I'M HEARING. >> RIGHT, BUT EVEN IF THERE'S JUST A HOUSE THERE IN '92 WE SHOULD HAVE MADE IT COMMERCIAL

WITH ALL THAT OTHER STUFF. >> IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN CONNECTED TO THE WHOLE BIG PIECE BEHIND IT AND THERE WERE A LOT OF ERRORS SO MAYBE THEY WERE NOT AGREEING WITH ALL THEY WANTED.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MA'AM. >> NO PROBLEM.

THANK YOU. >> I'M GOING TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. DON'T HAVE ANY CARDS ON THIS? IS ANYONE HERE TO SPEAK ON IN? SEEING NO ONE, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC MEETING. WE WILL TAKE A MOTION ON THE

LAND USE. >> MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE

LAND USE. >> OKAY, IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON CHANGING THE LAND USE FROM RESIDENTIAL TO COMMERCIAL? ALL RIGHT, SEEING NONE I'LL CALL THAT.

ALL IN FAVOR OF THE STAFF REPORT STATE AYE.

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SINCE THAT'S A CHANGE IN DENSITY HANNAH SCHOOL BOARD HAS A VOTE ON THAT ONE. PLEASE RECORD THEM.

THEY HAVE ALL BUT THE LAST ONE SO THERE WOULD BE ANY VOTES.

OKAY. WE'VE ALREADY HAD THE PRESENTATION SO NOW WE CAN TAKE UP A MOTION ON THE ZONING CHANGE, THAT IS, TO CHANGE THE ZONING TO BA.

>> I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION TO CHANGE THE ZONING TO BA-2. BA.

>> IS IT BA OR BA-2? >> JUST BA.

>> THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT. MR. BOURRE SECONDS THAT.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR STATE AYE.

ANY OPPOSED? OKAY.

AND THIS IS FYI. IT'S NOT DUNKIN' DONUTS ANYMORE.

THEM CHANGED THEIR NAME TO JUST DUNKIN'.

THEY WANTED TO BE MORE THAN A DONUT SHOP.

ALL RIGHT. WHAT WE HAVE ON OUR AGENDA AS ITEM 3 WHICH HAS TO DO WITH A CHANGE IN LAST ASBURY, THERE WERE SOME PROBLEMS WITH THE ADVERTISING SO THAT ITEM WILL NOT BE HEARD TONIGHT. WE HAD ONE GENTLEMAN HERE.

I TALKED TO HIM. HE WILL BE BACK NEXT MONTH.

I UNDERSTAND, COURTNEY DO I NEED TO CONTINUE THIS OR ARE WE OKAY JUST TO MAKE THE ANNOUNCEMENT? OKAY.

BECAUSE IT WILL BE COMPLETELY READVERTISED FOR NEXT MONTH.

VERY GOOD. SO, COME BACK NEXT MONTH IF WANT

[4.  Public Hearing to consider CPA-2022-06. (District 4, Comm Condon)(M. Brown)]

[5.  Public Hearing to consider REZ 2022-14. (District 4, Comm. Condon) (M. Brown)]

WE CAN PROBABLY DO THE SAME WITH THIS ONE.

IT IS A LAND USE CHANGE CPA 2022-06 A SMALL CAME AMENDMENT ON 16.40 ACRES FROM COMMERCIAL TO AG RESIDENTIAL AND ZONING HEARING OF RZ 2022-14 TO REZONE THE SAME NEIGHBORS DISTRICT TO AG RESIDENTIAL ZONING. MIKE IF YOU WANT TO DO THE SAME

THING. >> FIRST LAND ITEM IS [INAUDIBLE] THE APPLICANT IS LLC THE CHAIRMAN INDICATED A SMALL CAME LAND USE CHANGE OF 16.4 ACRES FROM COMMERCIAL TO AG RESIDENTIAL.

THE PARCEL IS VACANT SO THERE'S NO ADDRESS BUT IT'S LOCATED ON CHELMET IN SKI STONE IT'S. IT'S IN KEYSTONE IT'S PLANNING DISTRICT COMMISSIONER 4 COMMISSIONER CONDON AND THIS WILL ALSO BE HEARD ON JULY 26 AT THE BOARD.

THE PARCEL HAS FRONT DAMAGE ON BOTH COUNTY ROAD 214 AND CALUMET HOWEVER YOU PRONOUNCE IT. THERE IS A COMPANION REZONING.

THE PURPOSE OF THE REQUEST IS TO PROPERTY FOR RESIDENTIAL USE.

HERE YOU HAVE THE EXISTING ZONING AND EXISTING COMMERCIAL FOR THE SITE. AND HERE'S AN AERIAL TO THE NORTH AND SOUTH, YOU HAVE LOW DENSITY SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL WITH AR ZONING. EAST OF THE PARCELS UNDEVELOPED COMMERCIAL AND WEST IS VACANT PUBLIC OWNERSHIP.

I'M LOOKING AT THE COMPARISON OF USES AND THE IMPACTS OF THE EXISTING COMMERCIAL THAT WOULD ALLOW A FLOOR AREA RATIO OF 40 PERCENT AND FOR 15.46 ACRES THAT WOULD EQUATE TO APPROXIMATELY JUST UNDER 270,000 SQUARE PETE POTENTIAL.

UNDER THE PROPOSED AR LAND USE, MAXIMUM DENSITY IS ONE DWELLING UNIT PER 5 ACHEERS THAT WOULD RESULT OF A MAXIMUM OF 3

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AGAIN, IT WOULD BE CAPABLE WITH THE, CONSISTENT WITH THE AR ZONING IN THE AREA BOTH TO THE NORTH AND THE SOUTH.

NONE OF IT COMMERCIAL LAND USES HAS ANY DEVELOPMENT ON IT PRESENTLY. THIS REQUESTED CHANGE OF 15.46 ACRES FROM COMMERCIAL TO AG. THE CHANGE IN USE WOULD RESULT IN REDUCTION IN INTENSITY OF DEVELOPMENT AND ALSO IN TURN THE ASSOCIATED IMPACTS FROM THAT DEVELOPMENT.

THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE OBJECTIVES AND POLICIES OF THE ADOPTED COMP PLAN.

THE CHANGE IN LAND USE WILL DISCOURAGE URBAN SPRAWL.

STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF COMP PLAN AMENDMENT 22-06 TO AMEND THE 2040 FUTURE LAND USE MAP ON THE ACRES FROM COMMERCIAL TO AG RESIDENTIAL AND I WILL QUICKLY JUMP BACK OVER TO THE REZ REZONING, THE SAME APPLICANT WILL GO THROUGH ALL OF THAT INFORMATION BUT THIS IS A REQUESTED REZONING OF THE 15.46 ACRES FROM NEIGHBORHOOD BUSINESS TO AG RESIDENTIAL TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE REQUESTED LAND USE CHANGE. THE PARCEL WAS REZONED FROM AG TO BA, WHICH IT IS TO THE PRESENT BA ZONING IN 1972.

THE FUTURE LAND USE IS COMMERCIAL AND I JUST WENT THROUGH THE REQUEST TO CHANGE TO AR, THE REQUESTED AR ZONING WOULD BE ALLOWED WITHIN THE REQUESTED AR FUTURE LAND USE.

HERE IS AN AERIAL OF THE ZONING. YOU CAN SEE TO THE NORTH AND SOUTH IS AR, PRETTY MUCH SURROUNDING IT.

COMMERCIAL FUTURE LAND USE AREA IS ALL BA OR PL-4 AND YOU CAN SEE THE AERIAL. THERE'S LIMITED DEVELOPMENT IN THIS AREA. THERE IS A LAKE OR SINKHOLE, I'M NOT SURE WHICH ONE, ON THE PARCEL, BUT AS YOU CAN FAIRLY SEE THAT ON THE AERIAL. THE PROPOSED AR ZONING IS CONSISTENT WITH THE PROPOSED REQUESTED FUTURE LAND USE CATEGORY. AND AGAIN, THE PURPOSE OF THE REZONING, LIKE THE LAND USE CHANGE IS TO ALLOW FOR RESIDENTIAL USE OF THE PROPERTY. STAFF HAS REVIEWED THE APPLICATION AND DETERMINED THAT THE REQUEST IS CAPABLE WITH THE SURROUNDING AREA. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF REZONING 22-14 SUBJECT TO ADOPTION OF CPA 2206.

DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF?

>> ANYONE? I JUST HAVE ONE.

YOU MAY NOT KNOW. GO BACK A SLIDE TO THE LAST MAP KNEW THAT PRESENTATION THAT ONE. WHAT IS THAT PO FOR?

>> IT'S VACANT RIGHT NOW. THERE'S NOTHING THERE THAT I'M AWARE OF. IT'S ACTUALLY OWNED BY THE COUNTY. PO-4.

>> THAT'S A SCHOOL SITE. >> NO, PO-4 IS FOR SOLID WASTE

DISPOSAL. >> IS THERE ANYTHING OTHER ON

THE OTHER BA PARCELS? >> NO.

ALL THAT'S VACANT. I LOOK AT THIS ON A LARGER MAP AND THIS IS KIND OF IN THE MIDDLE OF NOWHERE.

I'M SURE IT'S 134 WHERE TO SOMEBODY.

>> AT ONE POINT I THINK THEY THOUGHT COUNTY ROAD 214 WOULD BE

SOMETHING. >> TRYING TO GET AHEAD OF IT.

>> MR. CHAIR I HAD THE SAME QUESTION.

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NOT THE PARCEL YOU'RE REFERRING TO AND THAT CARVE OUT IS

ACTUALLY A DOLLAR GENERAL STORE. >> THAT'S THERE NOW?

>> YES. >> OKAY.

I THINK THAT'S IT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?

>> THAT LITTLE CORNER THAT WE ARE SEEING?

>> YES. >> THAT WAS GOING TO BE MY

QUESTION. >> OKAY.

IS THE APPLICANT HERE? WANT TO COME UP AND JUST HAVE A WORD? GIVE US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS

PLEASE. >> MY NAME IS TOM EAGLE 258

NORTH BERK AVENUE, LAKE CITY. >> ANYTHING IN PARTICULAR WANT

TO ADD TO THE STAFF REPORT? >> WE HAD INHERITED THIS, I CAN'T REMEMBER HOW, BUT WE ASKED, WE WERE GOING TO PUT IT ON THE MARKET WITH A REALTOR AND THEY SUGGESTED RESIDENTIAL WOULD BE THE HIGHEST INVESTMENT USE FOR THIS PROPERTY.

IT'S GOT THAT LAKE OR POND IN THE MIDDLE OF IT AND IT WOULD BE A PRETTY HOME SITE AND THAT'S WHAT WE TRIED TO DO WITH YOUR

BLESSINGS. >> THANK YOU LET ME OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. ANYBODY ELSE WANT TO SPEAK ON THIS ONE? SEEING NONE, I'LL BRING IT BACK

FOR DISCUSSION AND OR MOTION. >> I'LL MOVE THE STAFF REPORT APPROVAL. WOULD YOU WANT TO START WITH

LAND USE? >> LAND USE YES.

>> I'LL FROM MOVE APPROVAL OF STAFF REPORT ON THE LAND USE

CHANGE. >> ANYBODY ELSE? SEEING NONE, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR STATE AYE.

OPPOSED? NOW WE CAN TAKE UP THE ZONING

CHANGE. >> WELL, I'LL MOVE APPROVAL OF THE STAFF REPORT ON THE ZONING CHANGE.

>> AND GET A SECOND FROM MR. NORTON.

ANYBODY WANT TO TALK ABOUT THAT ONE? I'M GOING TO CALL IT THEN. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR STAFF REPORT SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED? DON'T FORGET YOU'VE GOT THE BCC ON THE 26TH.

>> WE HAVE TO COME BACK? >> YES.

THEY START THEIR MEETING. THEIR MEETINGS START AT 4:00 BUT THEY TAKE UP THE ZONING ISSUES BY 5:00 SO BE HERE BY 5:00.

ON THE 26TH, THAT'S THREE WEEKS FROM TONIGHT.

OKAY. THANK YOU.

[6.  Public Hearing to consider REZ 2022-13. (District 4, Comm. Condon) (M. Brown)]

ALL RIGHT. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> YOU'RE WELCOME. >> AND THE LAST ONE IS A PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER REZ 22-13 TO REZONE A LITTLE OVER ONE ACHE FORMER BA-2 TO BB-3 SO FROM PROFESSIONAL OFFICES TO SPECIALTY BUSINESS. YOU HAVE THIS ONE?

>> YES. THE APPLICANT FOR THIS APPLICATION IS STEVE AND PAMELA SHLACHTMAN, THE AGENT IS CASSANDRA NICHOLS AND THIS IS A REQUESTED REZONING 1.04 ACRES FROM BA-2 PROFESSIONAL OFFICE TO BB-3 SPECIALTY BUSINESS MANY PARCEL IS LOCATED 4165 COUNTY ROAD 218 IN THE MIDDLEBURG CLAY HILL PLANNING DISTRICT, DISTRICT FOR COMMISSIONER CONDON.

FUTURE LAND USE IS COMMERCIAL OF THE PROPERTY.

PARCELS IMMEDIATELY TO THE WEST AND EAST ARE ZONED WITH BB ZONING NORTH ACROSS 218 FROM THE PROJECT.

THERE'S AR ZONING TO THE SOUTH. THE REQUEST BB-3 ZONING IS ALLOWABLE IN A COMMERCIAL FUTURE LAND USE.

STATED PURPOSE OF THE REZONING IS TO ALLOW FOR RETAIL USES ASSOCIATED OFFICE AND OUTDOOR DISPLAY ON THE PARCEL.

HERE IS AN AERIAL AND ZONING ON THE PARCEL.

YOU CAN SEE BOTH SIDES NORTH AN SOUTH OF COUNTY ROAD 218 IN THIS AREA IS PREDOMINANTLY BB. THERE ARE SOME BB-3 AND BB-2 IN THE AREA BUT IT'S ADJACENT TO THIS PARCEL IS THE BB ZONING, WHICH IS OUR HIGHEST INTENSITY COMMERCIAL ZONING DISTRICT.

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STAFF HAS REVIEWED THE APPLICATION AND DETERMINED THE REQUEST IS CAPABLE WITH THE SURROUNDING AREA, WHICH IS A POINT OF REMINDER THAT WITHIN A, WITH THE AR TO THE SOUTH THERE WILL BE, THEY WILL HAVE TO MEET THE BUFFER AND SETBACK REQUIREMENTS ADJACENT TO THAT PARCEL.

STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE REZONING 22-13.

DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF?

>> GO AHEAD. >> FIRST OFF GOOD EVENING MR. BROWN. HAPPY DAY AFTER 4TH OF JULY.

SO MY QUESTION IS, IS THIS PARCEL BEING CALLED TOGETHER

WITH OTHER PARCELS? >> NOT PRESENTLY NO.

>> IF THIS IS GOING TO HAVE THE BB-3 ZONING IS THERE ENOUGH ROOM ON ONE ACRE PARCEL I'M ASSUMING THERE'S GOING TO GO AGOING

REQUIREMENTS. >> YES.

>> AND VERTICAL STRUCTURE IS THERE ENOUGH ROOM ON ONE ACHE

TORE DO THAT? >> THAT'S UP TO THE APPLICANT OWNER OF THE PARCEL. WE HAD A PRE-APPLICATION MEETING

AND WENT OVER THOSE ISSUES. >> OKAY.

>> THE AGENT IS HERE AND THE AGENT IS ACTUALLY THE ONE WHO WAS IN THE PROCESS OF PURCHASING IT AND I BELIEVE SHE HAS A PRESENT BUSINESS THAT SHE'S LEASING THAT'S ABOUT TWO PARCELS FROM HERE FOR THIS AND IT'S BETTER FOR HER TO RESPOND TO THAT BUT SHE WANT TO BASICALLY MOVE THAT USE TO THIS PARCEL IS

MY UNDERSTANDING. >> OKAY.

ALL RIGHT. WE WILL WAIT FOR THE APPLICANT FOR THAT QUESTION. THE OTHER QUESTION I HAD WAS, WHAT WAS THE INTENDED USE? IN OTHER WORDS, HOW IT WAS GOING

TO BE USED. >> YES, THE INTENDED USE WAS FOR RETAIL AND THE TRIGGER FOR EVERYTHING TO GO TO BB-3 WAS THE

DESIRE FOR OUTSIDE STORAGE. >> OKAY.

SO, ANY IDEA WHAT KIND OF RETAIL? AGAIN I CAN ASK THE APPLICANT THIS QUESTION BUT I WANT TO PREP HIM OR HER WITH THE QUESTION AND THE REASON I'M SENSITIVE TO IT IS THOSE OF US THAT WERE HERE FOR THE BB-3 ZONING YEARS AGO KNOW THAT THIS ALSO IS AN ADULT ENTERTAINMENT IS AN ALLOWABLE USE SO I WANTED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE INTENDED USE IS SO WITH THAT I'LL TURN IT BACK OVER TO THE CHAIR.

>> QUESTION, BILL? >> YES, SO WITH OUTSIDE STORAGE WAS, DO YOU KNOW, DO THE LDR'S REQUIRE SCREENING FOR OUTDOOR

STORAGE? >> YES.

I CAN'T TELL YOU OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD BUT THERE ARE SCREEN REQUIREMENTS FOR OUTDOOR STORAGE.

I CAN'T TELL YOU THE SPECIFICS. >> THAT'S FINE.

I JUST WANT TO CONFIRM THAT THERE ARE IN FACT REQUIREMENTS FOR SCREENING FOR COMMERCIAL, FOR BUSINESSES IN CLAY COUNTY OUTSIDE OF OVERLAYS, OUTSIDE OF MASTER PLANS SO IF YOU'RE IN UNINCORPORATED CLAY COUNTY BB ZONING OUTSIDE STORAGE THERE'S IN REQUIREMENT OF SCREENING IN FRONT OF WHAT YOU'RE DOING.

>> YES, AND I MAY HAVE BEEN PRIMING BUT IT MAY ONLY BE FOR

DISPLAY RATHER THAN STORAGE. >> IT'S MORE GENERIC FOR THIS INCIDENT BUT I'M CURIOUS TO LEARN MORE ABOUT THIS.

>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? MIKE I JUST HAD ONE.

PO-1 PARCEL WHAT IS THAT? >> THE WHAT?

>> THE PO-1 PARCEL S. THAT THE LINE SFLI.

>> IT'S THE PUBLIC LIBRARY. >> IT'S THE MIDDLEBURG LIBRARY? OKAY. ARE THERE SIDEWALKS ON THIS ROAD THAT WE KNOW? OKAY.

NOTHING ELSE I'LL BRING THE APPLICANT UP PLEASE.

NAME AND ADDRESS PLEASE, MA'AM. >> CASSANDRA NICHOLS, 4151 COUNTY ROAD 218, MIDDLEBURG, FLORIDA.

>> ANYTHING WANT TO TELL US? >> OKAY.

LET ME CLARIFY. CURRENTLY EVER MY BUSINESS ON THE CORNER. I'M DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM THE LIBRARY AND ACROSS THE STREET FROM DOMINO'S ON 218 SO THE WHOLE REASON FOR THIS SETUP IS MY LANDLORD PUT THEIR PROPERTY UP FOR SALE AND I IMMEDIATELY WENT TO LOOK FOR OTHER PARCELS TO MOVE TO SO I WOULDN'T BE PUT IN THIS POSITION FIVE YEARS FROM NOW TO BE THINK BHG THIS SELLS I'VE GOT TO MOVE MY BUSINESS

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I'M JUST BEING PROACTIVE IN JUST TRYING TO FIND A PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT I WON'T HAVE TO FACE THIS AGAIN IN THE FUTURE AND BASICALLY I STORE DISPLAYS FOR SALE FOR THE STEEL BUILD STRUCTURES. THEY STAY PERMANENTLY ON THE PROPERTY THE WHOLE TIME, THE POTENTIAL BUILDING WE GET LOADS IN THEY SELL, WE GET LOADS IN THEY SELL, SO IT'S A CONSTANT MOVER OF PRODUCT FOR THE STORAGE BUILDINGS.

>> OKAY. QUESTION.

>> I'M CURIOUS. SO PLEASE FORGIVE ME.

SO TO COMMISSIONER GARRISON'S QUESTION THEN WHEN THE STORAGE BUILDINGS COME IN AND OUT AND I'M FAMILIAR WITH THOSE BECAUSE WE USE THEM AS WELL, WILL THEY BE BEHIND A SCREEN WALL WHERE THE STORAGE BUILDINGS WILL BE STACKED BEHIND THOSE OR WILL THEY BE KIND OF OUT AND PULLED AND THEN RETURNED AS NEEDED.

>> YES, THEY WILL ACTUALLY BE BEHIND WHAT I WOULD HOPE TO BE THE OFFICE FOR THE PARCEL. WE WOULD HAVE PARKING IN THE FRONT WHICH WOULD BE ON THE 218 SIDE AND THEN WE WOULD HAVE OUR BUSINESS OFFICE FOR OURSELVES AND SUCH AND BEHIND THAT WOULD BE ALL OUR PORTABLE STORAGE THAT WOULD BE FOR SALE OF VARIOUS SIZES AND AS YES AS ONE SELLS WE GET ANOTHER ONE AND BRING IT BACK IN PLACE. THE STEEL STRUCTURES THAT ARE JUST EXAMPLES OF SMALL EXAMPLE OF WHAT WE CAN DO WITH STEEL STRUCTURES THOSE WOULD B LINED UP ON NOT ON THE 218 SIDE.

THEY WOULD BE EITHER TO THE LEFT OR TO THE RIGHT OF THE OFFICE BLINK AND BE THERE PERMANENT LOOKING.

>> HOW BIG IS THE AT ALL YOU'RE ON NOW.

>> ONE ACHOR. SO ONE ACRE DOES WORK.

>> OF COURSE WE COULD USE MORE BUT THIS WAS JUST A GREAT OPPORTUNITY BECAUSE I'VE ESTABLISHED MYSELF OFF OF 218 AND I'M LITERALLY MOVING TWO DOORS DOWN IF I WAS TO GET THIS APPROVED AND LIKE I SAID IT WOULD TAKE PROBABLY SIX NOT TO A YEAR BEFORE I WOULD GET TO THAT POINT IF THIS IS APPROVED.

>> OKAY, THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE?

>> YOU'RE ON THE SAME SIDE AS THE LIBRARY.

>> YES, SIR. YOU'VE GOT LIBRARY ASTOR, ME CURRENTLY MISS MONAHAN'S STRIP MALL SHE HAS AND THIS IS THE PROPERTY NEXT TO THAT, SO MISS MONAHAN OWNS THE ONE ACRE I'M ON AND THE ONE WITH OFFICE RENTAL SPACE SO YEAH TO THE ONE ACRE NEXT TO HER WOULD BE ENOUGH FOR ME I MEAN UNTIL CAN I BUY THE PARCEL NEXT TO IT. THAT IS FOR SALE.

>> POINT OF CLARIFICATION IF I MAY, THE STRUCTURES THAT YOU OR THE STORAGE THINGS ARE FOR SALE, NOT FOR RENT?

IS THAT CORRECT? >> CORRECT.

>> WASN'T THEY'RE SOLD THEY'RE GONE.

>> YES, SIR. THEY'RE CONSTANTLY FLOWING, THE BUILDINGS ARE. THE EXAMPLE BUILDINGS, THEY STAY THERE PERMANENTLY. THEY'RE JUST LIKE ANCHORED INTO THE GROUND. THEY'RE NOT PERMANENTLY AFFIXED PERMANENTLY AS AN OFFICE BUILDING.

>> OKAY. THANK YOU MA'AM.

LET ME OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS.

ANYBODY WANT TO SPEAK ON THIS ONE? SEEING NONE, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

AND BRING IT BACK. >> I'LL MOVE APPROVAL OF STAFF'S

RECOMMENDATION. >> SECOND.

>> MR. BOURRE MOVES STAFF AND MR. DAVIS SECOND.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, I'LL CALL IT.

ALL IN FAVOR STATE AYE? ANY OPPOSED? ALL RIGHT. AND THAT'S NOT SCHOOL BOARD.

ALL RIGHT. AND AGAIN, THAT ONE IS COMING UP ON THE 26TH. RIGHT.

[Public Comment]

SO, I'M GOING TO GO HEAD AND DO THE LAST GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT AND THEN WE WILL DO OLD BUSINESS NEW BUSINESS BECAUSE I DO HAVE A CARD, MISS MILLER, DID YOU WANT TO MAKE SOME COMMENTS? IS THAT WHAT YOU WANTED TO TALK ABOUT?

>> I HAD A QUESTION. >> WELL, WE WILL SEE IF YOU CAN DIRECT YOU TO SOMEBODY. SO COME UP.

WE HAVE KIND OF AN EASY AGENDA TONIGHT, SO I THINK WE HAVE A

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GO AHEAD. >> I LIVE OFF HUMMINGBIRD LANE WHICH IS PARALLEL TO SAND RIDGE ROAD AND I KNOW THERE'S BEEN TALK OF MOVING SAND RIDGE ROAD AND ANYBODY WE HAVE CALLED AT CLAY COUNTY CAN'T SEEM TO GIVE AS YOU STRAIGHT ANSWER, IS IT MOVING, IS IT NOT MOVING, SO I THOUGHT I WOULD SHOW UP

PERSONALLY AND ASK. >> SEE THIS YUCK LAID ED HOLDING HER HAND UP? IF YOU GET IN TOUCH WITH HER SHE CAN PROBABLY ANSWER ALL THOSE QUESTIONS FOR YOU.

I DON'T SEE ANYBODY ELSE. I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

[Old Business/New Business]

WOULD BE NEW BUSINESS NOW. >> BEFORE THE MEETING STARTED?

>> WELL, WHT DO YOU GOT? >> SO, A QUESTION YOU AND I AND MARY -- YOU I MARY AND BILL AND LANCE ALSO WERE AT THE MEETING LAST WEEK WITH THE RESPECTFULLY LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND AFTER I LEFT THERE, KIND OF CAME TO MY HEAD RECENTLY THE GOVERNOR SIGNED A BILL, WHICH I'M NOT SURE IF YOU ARE AWARE OF IT OR NOT, WITH RESPECT TO LOW COST HOUSING AND SOME OF THE LANGUAGE THAT'S IN HERE, WHICH I'VE KIND OF GONE THROUGH AND DON'T FULLY UNDERSTAND TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, BUT HOW IS SOME OF THIS, DOES ANYBODY KNOW HOW SOME OF THIS IS POTENTIALLY GOING TO AFFECT OUR CHANGES THAT WE ARE GOING TO BE MAKING TO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE? COURTNEY THIS MIGHT BE MORE OF A

QUESTION FOR YOU. >> WEIGH IN ON.

THIS DO YOU KNOW WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT?

YOU GUYS GOT TO COME UP HERE. >> I THINK THAT'S ALL THE CONSULTANT WILL TAKE THAT INTO ACCOUNT.

THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE CHARGED WITH.

>> ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH THIS? OKAY.

>> DODIE HAS BEEN TRACKING THAT. >> I HAVE AN EXTRA COPY.

BUT JUST LIKE A FLAG WENT UP AND THEY HAVE SOME OF THE STATE STATUTES IN HERE THINGS LIKE THAT THE I'M WONDERING HOW THIS IS GOING TO AFFECT US IN THE COUNTY BECAUSE OF SOME OF THE LANGUAGE THAT'S IN HERE. SO I WANT TO PASS THAT DOWN.

THAT WAS MY QUESTION. I WANTED TO MAYBE EVERYBODY ELSE AWARE OF THAT YOU MIGHT WANT TO LOOK INTO THAT.

>> WELL, IF DODIE IS TRACKING IT CAN SHE GIVE AS YOU BULLET POINT SUMMARY? WHO SHOULD I BE ASKING? PROBABLY ED THAT, JUST PROVIDE IN OUR NEXT PACKAGE MAYBE A LITTLE BULLET POINT SUMMARY OF WHAT IT'S DOING AND HOW IT MIGHT

APPLY. >> MY BIGGEST QUESTION IS WHAT DO WE CONSIDER LOW COST HOUSING, AND HOW DOES SOMEONE QUALIFY?

>> IT SHOULD BE DEFINED IN THERE SOMEWHERE OR IN PART OF THE CODE IT WILL BE JUST LIKE IT'S DEFINED IN OUR CODE MANY TYPICALLY LOW COST HOUSING IS BASED ON THE MEDIUM INCOME BLAH BLAH BLAH, BUT THEN THERE'S WORKFORCE HOUSING WHICH IS

HIGHER CATEGORY. >> AND THAT'S KIND OF IN THERE.

>> WE ARE KIND OF BEREFT OF IT, ACTUALLY THE WHOLE STATE IS.

>> WE HEARD A LIT OF THE DISCUSSION GOING THAT WAY FROM A COUPLE OF THE DEVELOPERS AND I KNOW FROM OUR MEETING THAT WE SAT IN, I DON'T KNOW IF WENT TO A DIFFERENT MEETING ROOM BUT IT WAS A CONCERN BECAUSE ALL THAT I REMEMBER HEARING THAT STUCK OUT IN MY HEAD WAS SMALLER LOT, SMALLER LOT, SMALLER LOT AND WHAT ARE WE TOWN TO ABOUT 35 FEET NOW?

>> I THINK IF THEY COULD BUILD ON A DRIVEWAY, THEY WOULD.

>> THEY WOULD. NO DISRESPECT MICHAEL.

>> BUT THAT'S A GOT SEGUE FOR WHAT I WANTED TO ASK ABOUT CHEREESE DURING THE REPRESENTATIONS THE CONSULTANT GAVE THEY REPRESENTED THERE WOULD BE TWO PLANNING COMMISSION WORKSHOPS. THOSE WOULD BE OBVIOUSLY WORKSHOPS SO THEY'RE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC BUT THEY WOULD BE OUTSIDE OF THIS MEETING WHERE WE WOULD HAVE SOME KIND OF WORKSHOP TIME.

>> PROBABLY THE SAME NIGHT AS THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

>> EARLIER? I GOT A FEELING YOU MIGHT WANT TO LEAVE MORE THAN AN HOUR FOR THAT DISCUSSION.

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IS IT WIC CHEREESE? WGI WHO IS THE CONSULTANTS.

THEY ARE LOOKING AT THE WHOLE DEVELOPMENT CODE TO TRY TO REWRITE IT INTO A MORE CONCISE FORMAT AND MAYBE A LITTLE BIT CLEARER THAN IT IS RIGHT NOW. YOU KNOW, IT STARTED IN '92.

IT'S BEEN ADDED TO MODIFIED AND CHANGE SO IT'S GOT A LITTLE BIT ONEROUS, I THINK BUT AS PART OF THAT PROCESS THEY'RE GOING TO HOLD SOME PUBLIC WORKSHOPS BUT THEY'RE GOING TO HOLD TWO WORKSHOPS WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

I THINK THAT WE ARE GOING TO NEED MORE THAN AN HOUR WITH THOSE PEOPLE. I THINK WE ARE GOING TO NEED SEVERAL HOURS. UNLIKE EXCUSE ME A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT COME IN FROM THE PUBLIC OR THE DEVELOPERS OR THE BUILDERS, THEY'RE VERY FOCUSED ON THEIR AREA.

I THINK WE HAVE A BROADER IDEA OF THE OVERALL CODE AND WE CAN OFFER SOME HOPEFULLY SOME VALID, GOOD SUGGESTIONS TO THEM.

SO WITH THAT IN MIND, MY QUESTION IS, WOULD YOU LIKE TO JUST COME IN EARLY ON OUR MEETING NIGHT? YOU KNOW, WE PROBABLY NEED TO BE IN HERE AT LIKE 4:00, AND THEN WHO KNOWS WHEN WE GET OUT? BECAUSE IT DEPEND ON THE AGENDA OR WOULD YOU RATHER SCHEDULE THIS FOR LIKE A THURSDAY NIGHT OR A THURSDAY AFTERNOON AND COME IN JUST FOR THAT?

>> I'D RATHER HAVE IT JUST PRIOR TO THE MEETING.

>> I WOULD AGREE. >> OKAY, SO CHEREESE I THINK THAT'S THE THING. WHEN WE ARE READY TO HAVE THEM START AT 4:00. IF WE DON'T NEED THREE HOURS, WE CAN RUN AND GET SOMETHING TO EAT OR MAYBE SOME PIZZAS WILL SHOW UP HERE. WHO KNOWS?

[INAUDIBLE] >> OKAY.

>> RALPH. >> YES.

>> CAN I JUST CONFIRM, UP SUMMED UP THE PURPOSE OF IT.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S JUST TO UPDATE THE LDR'S, TO CLEAN IT UP, FRESHEN IT UP, WHATEVER TERMINOLOGY WANT TO

USE? >> CORRECT.

>> SO IT'S OPEN TO SOME NEW IDEAS?

>> YES. NEW IDEAS AND EVENTUALLY, AT SOME POINT NEXT YEAR THAT WHOLE DOCUMENT WILL HAVE TO COME THROUGH US ON THE WAY TO THE BCC.

>> ARTICLE VII IS GOING TO BE IN OCTOBER.

>> ARTICLE VII IS ASSIGNED ORDINANCE WHICH I WOULD LIKE

SOME SIGNED INPUT ON THAT ONE. >> I WOULD JUST ENCOURAGE YOU IF YOU'VE GOT STUFF TO GO AHEAD AND SEND TO IT GET IT STARTED.

LDC CHANGES@CLAY COUNTY. GOV.CO. >> LDC CHANGES.

>> SEND THEM TO STAFF. >> SEND THEM TO M. BROWN.

OKAY. >> OKAY, THANK YOU.

>> BECAUSE I KNOW ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE CERTAINLY I THINK WANT TO TALK TO THEM ABOUT AND PROBABLY CLOSER TO YOUR HEART BILL IS THAT THE OVERLAY WE DID ON 218, MAYBE EXPANDING THAT, ADDING OTHER AREAS, THAT KIND OF THING.

>> THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I WAS THINKING.

>> YES. THE NEXT THING I WANTED TO ASK ABOUT COURTNEY I WANT TO MAKE SURE MY SUGGESTION DOESN'T RUN AFOUL WITH SOMETHING HERE, EVERY TIME WE GET IN A MEETING SOMEBODY SELLS, I DIDN'T KNOW. YOU GUYS SNUCK THIS THROUGH.

I MEAN, I THINK THE INFORMATION IS THERE ADEQUATELY NOW.

IT DOES REQUIRE PEOPLE TO GO LOOK FOR IT, BUT I WAS CURIOUS TO KNOW IF WE COULD MAYBE LOOK AT SOMETHING LIKE GETTING ON THE FRONT PAGE OF THE WEB SITE, NOT BURIED DOWN IN PLANNING AND AGENDA RS BUT THE FRONT PAGE OF THE WEB SITE, SOMETHING THAT WOULD SAY SIMILAR TO LIKE NOTICES.

>> I'M SURE YOU'RE FAMILIAR HOW THE PUBLICATIONS ARE GOING TO

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>> NO I WHAT'S THINKING IN TERMS OF NOTICES AND IN YOUR NEXT CLICK AFTER THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE BID NOTICES AND ALL THE STUFF THAT WE HAVE TO ADVERTISE, RIGHT?

>> SO IT WILL BE EVERYBODY. THE LAW NOW PROVIDES THAT EVEN WHO HAS TO PROVIDE NOTICES COULD USE OUR WEB SITE FOR THAT

PURPOSE INSTEAD OF THE PAPER. >> YES.

>> COURTNEY HOW WILL THE GENERAL PUBLIC AND RESIDENTS IN THE

COUNTY KNOW. >> BECAUSE YOU'RE CHARGED WITH CONSTRUCTIVE NOTICE FLORIDA STATUTES, THE GOVERNOR SIGNED

IT, IT WENT INTO EFFECT. >> DOES THE COUNTY NEED TO NOTIFY THROUGH ANY KIND OF MAIL OR IS IT JUST OUT THERE?

>> YES. >> OKAY.

>> COURTNEY DOES THIS ALSO TAKE PLACE FOR THE REQUIRED LETTER THAT GOES OUT TO THOSE RESIDENTS THAT LIVE AROUND IT?

>> NO, THAT WILL ONLY BE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE TO CHANGE THAT PROCESS BECAUSE THAT'S SPECIFIC FOR THE LAND DEVELOPMENT.

>> WELL, I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN HOW IT'S ORGANIZE BECAUSE IF WE OPEN IT UP TO JUST ANYBODY WHO POSTS PUBLIC NOTICES I CAN SEE ALL THE TRUSTEES AUNTS THERE'S GOT TO BE SOMEPLACE WHERE PEOPLE GO AND CAN SAY THIS IS REZONING OPPORTUNITIES.

>> I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'LL STRUCTURE IT HOW THE NEWSPAPER

CURRENTLY DOES OR NOT. >> WE WOULD LIKE SOME INPUT TO THAT. WHEN THEY GET READY MAYBE WHOEVER DOES OUR WEB PAGE WE CAN HAVE A CHAT WITH THEM.

>> I'M SURE YOU AND ALL THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS.

>> THE OTHER THING I WANT TO ADD TO THIS CONVERSATION THAT IT IS THE CITIZEN'S RESPONSIBILITY TO BE ENGAGED IN WHAT HAPPENS IN THIS COMMUNITY AND WHAT HAPPENS IN GOVERNMENT BOTH LOCAL STATE AND FEDERAL. IT IS NOT THE GOVERNMENT'S RESPONSIBILITY TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY GO TO EVERY INDIVIDUAL AND MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE INFORMED. THE INFORMATION IS PUT OUT THERE AND THE COMMUNITY NEED TO BE ENGAGED AND THEY NEED TO GO FIND THE INFORMATION AND MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE FULLY INFORMED.

I JUST WANT TO ADD THAT TO THIS CONVERSATION.

>> I JUST WANT TO ECHO THAT REAL QUICK.

I REMEMBER I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY YEARS AGO DIANE HUNCHINGS WAS COUNTY COMMISSIONER AND THIS PROBLEM GOES ON AND ON FOREVER.

I DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT IT, WHENEVER THE SIGNS WERE UP IF IT'S ON THE WEB SITE PEOPLE ARE INFORMED AS THEY WANT TO BE.

TO MICHAEL'S POINT IT'S THEIR RESPONSIBILITY.

WE DO A GOOD JOB. YOU PUT THE STUFF HAPPENS.

WHAT HAPPENS, YOU KICK IT DOWN THE ROAD TO THE NEXT MONTH OR SOMETHING BUT YOU CAN'T SET HERE AND WATCH THE INTERSTATE EXPLODE THIS COUNTY AND COME UP HERE AND COMPLAIN ABOUT GROWTH.

YOU CAN'T. AND NOT BE SERIOUS.

NO DISRESPECT TO ANYBODY ELSE THAT COMES UP HERE BUT MY GOD, MAN, PLEASE. YOU COULDN'T SPOOF SPEECH.

ANYWAY. >> I THINK ONE THING, IF ANYBODY IS WATCHING US, THAT THEY SHOULD DO, IF YOU GUYS HAVEN'T DONE IT, YOU GUYS SHOULD DO IT. WHEN YOU FIRST HIT THE COUNTY'S WEB SITE THERE'S A POP-UP THAT COMES UP AND SAYS GIVE US YOUR EMAIL ADDRESS AND ANY NOTICES OR PRESS RELEASES THAT THE COUNTY SENDS OUT, YOU'LL GET. IT WILL BE SENT TO YOU.

>> YOU DO GET THEM. >> YOU DO GET THEM.

YOU GET ALL THE ROAD CLOSURES. YOU GET OTHER ITEMS THEY PUT OUT. YOU DON'T GET THE NOTICES FOR OUR STUFF BUT AT SOME POINT MAYBE WE ADD THAT TO THE LIST, YOU KNOW. AT THE END OF THE WEEK THEY BLOW IT OUT, HERE'S ALL THE STUFF THAT'S HAPPENING NEXT WEEK AND INCLUDES PLANNING AN THE BCC MEETINGS AND ALL.

OKAY. BUT IF IT WOULD POSSIBLE CHEREESE, MAYBE WE COULD TALK TO ONE OF THE I.T. GUYS.

WHO DOES OUR WEB SITE IN HOUSE OR OUTSOURCE? IN-HOUSE. TO GIVE THEM AT LEAST AN IDEA OF, THE IDEA IS TO MINIMIZE THE NUMBER OF CLICKS, RIGHT? I MEAN, I'VE BEEN ON THE COUNTY. IT'S MUCH BETTER THAN IT USED TO BE BUT YOU STILL GOT TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF IDEA WHERE YOU'RE GOING SOMETIMES TO FIND THINGS, AND THINGS LIKE THE PUBLIC NOTICES, IT SHOULD BE ONE, TWO CLICKS AT THE MOST AND YOU'RE

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I THINK THAT'S REALLY ALL I HAD. I WANTED TO ASK PETE IS SINCE THEY'RE LOOKING AT DOING THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODES AGAIN THAT WE KIND OF REINFORCED THE FACT THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE SOME MASTER PLAN AREAS, BRANNAN FIELD, LAKE ASBURY, HOPEFULLY WE TAKE THE BEST OF THAT BUT IN ADDITION TO MASTER PLAN AREAS, WE HAVE THE DRI'S, WHICH YOU KNOW, I KNOW DEVELOPERS ARE LICKING THEIR CHOPS AT LOOKING AT COUNTY ROAD 220 BUT THAT'S RESIDENTIAL IN THE DRI AND IT SEEMS LIKE AS SOON AS SOMEBODY WALKS IN HERE WITH A PERSONAL PROJECT THE FIRST THING WE OUGHT TO TELL THEM IS IT'S RESIDENTIAL.

YOU KNOW, AND WE SHOULD DISSUADE THEM FROM CHANGING IT BECAUSE PETE IS GOING TO MAKE A ARGUMENT ABOUT HOW MUCH THEY WITHIN THROUGH TO MAKE SURE IT STAYS RESIDENTIAL.

>> IT'S ALSO REINFORCEED IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN BECAUSE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DICTATES THE CONCEPT WITH VARYING DEGREES OF RESIDENTIAL AWAY FROM TOWN CENTER SO THAT'S THE ARGUMENT THAT'S BEEN THAT WAY ALL ALONG. IT STARTED WITH A PLAN AND MOVED INTO A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AT THE COUNTY LEVEL SO YOU'RE RIGHT.

>> OKAY, AND THEN BILL HAS DEAR TO HIS HEART THE OVERLAY ON 218.

>> IT'S JUST THE IDEA THAT THERE ARE POCKETS WHERE EVERYTHING HAS TO BE DEVELOPED NICE, LET ME USE THAT WORD NICE, BUT EVERYWHERE ELSE CAN YOU DO PRETTY MUCH WHATEVER YOU WANT.

THAT'S THE PART DRIVES MY CRAZY. >> CAN YOU DRIVE THROUGH THE BRANNAN FIELD ON THE MASTER PLAN YOU CAN SEE LITERALLY WHERE IT STARTS AN STOPS, INSIDE YOU HAVE MONDAY.

LAND ESCAPES AND ALL THAT, YOU CROSS THAT LINE AND BOOM IT'S A 50 FOOT SIGN CAN YOU SEEN FIVE MILES AWAY, NO LANDSCAPING OR ANYTHING ELSE. I DON'T GET IT.

WHY DOES PART OF THE COUNTY HAVE TO LOOK LIKE JUNK AND THE REST

OF IT GETS TO LOOK GOOD? >> I'M WITH YOU BILL.

>> SO THAT'S ALL. >> OH, AND WHILE I'M SCREAMING.

>> GO AHEAD. >> I'LL BE ON VACATION AUGUST

2ND, SO HAVE A GREAT MEETING. >> IF INVESTIGATE CAKES DOESN'T RELIEVE FROM YOU THIS JOB. AUGUST 2ND IS OUR NEXT MEETING.

SEEING NO OTHER DISCUSSION OR BUSINESS, WE'LL SEE YOU GUYS ON AUGUST 2ND AND CHEREESE WILL LET US KNOW IF WE ARE GOING TO DO, WHEN WE ARE GOING TO DO A

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.