May 10, 2022 BCC Workshop

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8:59. 9:00.

[CALL TO ORDER]

WE ARE GOING TO OPEN THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS WORKSHOP FOR MAY 10TH. THIS ONE IS ON OUR ISSUE WITH THE REFUSE AND TINA THE UNUSED THINGS WE HAVE IN THE COUNTY.

SO, ROLL CALL. COMMISSIONER JIM RENNINGER IS FLOATING AROUND IN PLACE BUT THE REST OF US ARE ALL HERE.

WE WILL OPEN THE MEETING FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.

THIS IS A PORTION OF THE MEETING WHERE YOU CAN TALK ABOUT ANYTHING. COME ON UP AND TALK TO US.

NOBODY WANTS TO ADDRESS US SO WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENTS.

WE WILL TURN IT OVER TO CHARLIE LATHAM.

[NEW BUSINESS]

>> THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN. MR. CHAIRMAN AND COMMISSIONERS THANK YOU FOR TAKING THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO THIS RIGHT.

IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME WORKING WITH SOME OF THE PROFESSIONALS BEHIND ME AND I THINK WE PUT TOGETHER A GOOD PACKAGE OF DECISION POINT THAT WE NEED TO ADDRESS WITH YOU AND HAVE THE BEST MOVING FORWARD. I WANTED TO TAKE A MINUTE TO INTRODUCE THE PLAYERS. IN THE FRONT ROW IS JAMIE WILKES OUR OPERATION MANAGER CHRISTINE BROKEN OUR OFFICE MANAGER THE SECOND ROW BACK BOB MACKIE IS WITH LS 2A I. YOU GUYS KNOW MILTON AND WE HAVE MARCEL DOBBIE AND BRUCE DALY FROM WASTE MANAGEMENT. WE ARE GOING TO DO ABOUT A 15 MINUTE PRESENTATION. MILTON WILL DO THAT AND THEN OPEN THE OR FOR DISCUSSION AND TAKE GUIDANCE FROM YOU FOLKS.

THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE THIS MORNING.

LET'S GET STARTED. >> SPEAKER: GOOD MORNING MR. CHAIR AND COMMISSIONERS. FOR OUR WORKSHOP TODAY I WILL GO OVER AN OVERVIEW OF OUR SOLID WASTE STUDY DONE BY OUR CONSULTANTS AS WELL AS STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS.

THIS STUDY WAS A COMPREHENSIVE STUDY OF OUR ENTIRE SOLID WASTE MANAGEMENT PROGRAM AND THE PURPOSE FOR IT WAS TO HELP SET US UP FOR SUCCESS OVER THE NEXT 20 YEARS TO LOOK AT A 20 YEAR OUTLOOK FOR WHAT OUR NEEDS AND GROWTH WOULD.

AS CHARLIE SAID IT WAS CONDUCTED BY TWO CONSULTANT FIRMS BOTH FLORIDA-BASED FIRMS. THIS HAS BEEN A NINE-MONTH PROJECT. WE AWARDED THE PROJECT IN AUGUST OF LAST YEAR. SO, THE STUDY IDENTIFIED A NUMBER OF CHALLENGES TO OUR SYSTEM GOING FORWARD.

FIRST ALONG WITH OUR POPULATION GROWTH WHAT QUANTITY OF WASTE IS INCREASING AND IT IS INCREASING AT A SOMEWHAT RAPID RATE. IN ADDITION OUR FACILITIES ARE AGED. THE MAJORITY OF OUR FACILITIES ARE 20 YEARS OLD AND OLDER AND IN NEED OF ATTENTION.

WE HAVE LIMITATIONS RELATED TO THE SIZE OF OUR FACILITY, THE PERMITTED CAPACITIES WITH THE FDP PERMIT AND OPERATIONAL LIMITATIONS WITH THE BLENDING OF COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL TRAFFIC AT THE ROSEMARY HILL FACILITY.

AND THE STUDY RECOMMENDS THAT WE REPLACE BOTH CURRENTS TRANSFER STATIONS AT ROSEMARY HILL.

AT ROSEMARY HILL WE HAVE TO TRANSFER STATIONS.

ONE OR GARBAGE AND THE OTHER FOR CONSTRUCTION DEBRIS.

WITH THAT REPLACEMENT THEY COULD BE EXPANDED AS WELL AS REDESIGNED FOR A MORE MODERN DESIGN WHICH WOULD HELP ADDRESS THE EFFICIENCY AND SAFETY ISSUES THAT WE HAVE IDENTIFIED.

LITTLE MORE DETAILS ON OUR FACILITY IMPROVEMENT.

AS I SAID, AT ROSEMARY HILL THE TWO TRANSFER STATION REPLACEMENT THAT WOULD REQUIRE THE INVESTMENT OF $11 MILLION.

THE STAFF ALSO RECOMMENDS THAT WE CITE AND CONSTRUCT A THIRD TRANSFER STATION AND THAT WOULD BE IN THE NORTH OR NORTH CENTRAL AREA OF THE COUNTY TO HELP DEAL WITH THE HIGH-GROWTH AREA IN THE COUNTY OF THERE. IT WOULD ALSO GIVE US A FACILITY TO DIVERT WAYS TO DURING THE TIME THAT WE ARE

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FOR OUR ENVIRONMENTAL CONVENIENT CENTERS AS YOU KNOW WE HAVE FOR IN THE COUNTY FOR DROP-OFF AND RESIDENTIAL RECYCLING. WE HAVE STRUCTURAL EQUIPMENT AGED AND WE NEED TO BRING THEM UP TO PAR AND THAT WOULD COST A LITTLE OVER HALF MILLION DOLLARS.

ON OUR RESIDENTIAL COLLECTION PROGRAM, IDENTIFIED OPPORTUNITIES WHERE WE CAN IMPROVE THE SERVICE WITH THE PROGRAM AS WELL AS IMPROVE OUR RECYCLING PROGRAM GOING FORWARD. THIS IS BASED ON GOING TO COURT BASED COLLECTION SERVICES WHERE EACH RESIDENT WOULD HAVE A CART FOR GARBAGE SUPPLIED BY THE COUNTY AND WITH THAT IT WOULD GIVE THE RESPONDENTS TO THE RF HE THE OPPORTUNITY TO USE AUTOMATED AND SEMI AUTOMATED COLLECTION VEHICLES.

THEY ARE FLEET TECHNOLOGIES THAT ARE AVAILABLE TODAY THAT WEREN'T AVAILABLE WHEN OUR CURRENT CONTRACT HAD BEGUN.

AND ALSO WITH ANY NEW PROGRAM AND FOR THE HEALTH OF OUR SITE PROGRAM WE NEED A ROBUST PUBLIC EDUCATION CAMPAIGN.

I DO WANT TO POINT OUT BECAUSE WE HAVE HAD SOME PREVIOUS INSTRUCTIONS ON SPLITTING OUR RESIDENTIAL SERVICE AGREEMENT INTO TWO ZONES. AN URBAN ZONE AND A MORE RURAL ZONE IN THE STUDY DID LOOK AT THAT AND THEY DID NOT RECOMMENDS THAT WE DO THAT BASED ON COST, EFFICIENCIES AND THE NUMBERS OF HOMES WE WOULD HAVE IN THAT ROLE AREA WOULD NOT BE ADVISABLE. ALSO, WE LOOKED AT CURRENT MARKET TRANSFER THE SOLID WASTE INDUSTRY.

COSTS ARE INCREASING SIGNIFICANTLY.

WE CAN EXPECT OUR RATE FOR CURBSIDE COLLECTION SERVICES TO REFLECT THAT WHEN WE GET OUR PRICES BACK IN.

THE LABOR MARKET CONTINUES TO BE TOUGH.

THEY ARE COMBATING THAT WITH WAGE INCREASES AND TRANSITIONS TO AUTOMATED TRUCKS WHERE POSSIBLE WHERE THEY CAN HAVE A SINGLE DRIVER INSTEAD OF HAVING A DRIVER AND HELPER ON THE BACK. IT LOWERS THE AMOUNT OF PERSONAL THAT ARE REQUIRED. NEW TECHNOLOGIES ARE BECOMING VERY COMMON AND THEY ARE BEING USED FOR VARIOUS REASONS.

IT HELPS US MONITOR THE PERFORMANCE OF THE CONTRACTOR AND IT ALSO HELPS THE CONTRACTOR MANAGE THEIR

EFFICIENCIES. >> CHAIR: DO YOU WANT TO DO QUESTIONS AS YOU ARE GOING OR DO YOU WANT TO WAIT UNTIL THE

END? >> SPEAKER: I WOULD PREFER TO WAIT TO THE END BUT IT IS AT YOUR PLEASURE, SIR.

THERE ARE SIGNIFICANT SUPPLY CHAIN DELAYS.

FOR EXAMPLE WASTE MANAGEMENT FOR FLORIDA THEY ORDERED STEEN HUNDRED TRUCKS AND WE ARE FIVE MONTH INTO THE YEAR AND THEY HAVE RECEIVED EIGHT. CONSIDERABLE DELAYS IN GETTING EQUIPMENT. SO, THAT RINGS US TO STOP RECOMMENDATIONS. STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT WE ISSUE TO RF THESE NO LATER THAN OCTOBER OF THIS YEAR.

THE FIRST BEING FOR DISPOSAL CONTRACT THAT EXPIRES SEPTEMBER OF NEXT YEAR. THIS IS TO LOAD THE MATERIALS AT THE TRANSFER STATIONS, TRANSFER TO A DISPOSAL AREA FOR GARBAGE, CONSTRUCTION DEBRIS AND VEGETATIVE WASTE.

THE SECOND RF WOULD BE FOR THE CURBSIDE AGREEMENT AND THE STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT WE WOULD BASE THIS RFP ON COLLECTION OF GARBAGE AND THAT ALLOWS FOR THE HAULERS TO BROADEN THE TYPE OF EQUIPMENT THAT THEY HAVE THE CHOICE TO USE.

WE WOULD RECOMMEND REQUIRING THEM OF THE SMART TRUCK TECHNOLOGY GPS SYSTEMS AND CAMERA SYSTEMS BOTH AROUND THE TRUCK TO SHOW THAT A SERVICE THAT CAN OR THEY CAN WAS NOT OUT AND ALSO THE CAMERA SYSTEMS IN THE HOPPER AND THAT WOULD BE EXTREMELY IMPORTANT IF WE WENT CARDED RECYCLING COLLECTION TO LOOK OR WHERE OUR CONTAMINATION ISSUES ARE SO WE COULD ADDRESS THAT THAT PARTICULAR HOMEOWNER. AND, FOR RECYCLING WE RECOMMEND THAT WE ASK FOR TWO RESPONSES. ONE RESPONSE TO HOW WE ARE DOING IT IN THE CURRENT CONTRACT WITH TWO PINS AND MANUAL COLLECTION AND THEN THE SECOND OPTION OF GOING TO CARDED COLLECTION WHERE IT WOULD BE IN ONE BIG CART.

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FOLLOWING THAT WHEN THAT FACILITY IS OPENED WE WOULD BEGIN REPLACING THE TWO TRANSFER STATIONS AT ROSEMARY HILL AND IN THE MEANTIME WE WOULD EXECUTE THE NEEDED REPAIRS ON THE RECYCLING BUILDING AT ROSEMARY HILL.

AS FAR AS THE ELECTION CENTERS RECOMMENDS WE SHATTER THOSE UPON IMPLEMENTATION OF THE NEW COLLECTION AGREEMENT IN 2024.

WITH THAT NEW COLLECTION AGREEMENT WE LAUNCH AND ASK EXTENSIVE PUBLIC EDUCATION CAMPAIGN THAT WE INVESTIGATE OPPORTUNITIES FOR PARTNERING WITH UTILITIES OR OTHER PRIVATE INVESTORS THAT MIGHT BE INTERESTED IN CONSTRUCTING A SOLAR FARM ON OUR MOST LAND FILL.

OF WORST THE COUNTY WOULD HAVE SOME REVENUE SHARE WITH THAT AND THEN FINALLY, TO ELIMINATE THE THREE DISPOSAL ALLOWANCE AT ROSEMARY HILL, THIS WOULD IN ESSENCE, ROSEMARY HILL WOULD BECOME A FEE ONLY FACILITY. THIS TAKES US TO RATE ADJUST.

I WANT TO REMIND THE BOARD THAT IN 2016 ALL SOLID WASTE FEES WERE LOWERED AND THAT WAS ALL TIPPING FEES AS WELL AS RESIDENTIAL ASSESSMENT. IN REGARDS TO THE RESIDENTIAL ASSESSMENT THEY WERE LOWERED IN 16 AND THEN I HAD TO COME BACK BEFORE THE BOARD IN 2019 TO RAISE THOSE AGAIN BECAUSE OUR INCREASE COST HAD OUTPACED THOSE LOWER RATE.

FOR THE TICK AND DISPOSAL ASSESSMENT WE RECOMMEND GOING BACK TO THE HISTORIC RATE PRIOR TO 2016.

SO WE WOULD RETURN THOSE TO THE RATES THAT WERE HELD STEADY FROM THE ESTABLISHMENT OF THOSE RATE THROUGH 2015 AND FOR THE COLLECTION ASSESSMENT WE RECOMMEND AN INCREASE OF 6 AND A HALF DOLLARS PER YEAR TO HELP US STAY SOLVENT FOR THE COMING YEAR. JUST AS A NOTE WE HAVE BY LOWERING THOSE RATE WE HAVE UNDER COLLECTED REVENUES OF AT LEAST $15 MILLION OVER THE LAST TWO YEARS.

I'M GOING TO SWITCH GEARS A LITTLE BIT AND TALK ABOUT WASTE MANAGEMENT SERVICE OPTIONS SO WASTE MANAGEMENT PRESENTED SIX OPTIONS TO THE BOARD AT THE BOARD MEETING ON MARCH EIGHTH.

THOSE OPTIONS COME DOWN TO THREE CATEGORIES.

THE FIRST OPTION WAS TO STAY THE WORST WITH THE DROP OFF RECYCLING UNTIL THEY COULD HIRE ENOUGH DRIVERS COVER THEIR ROUTE. THE SECOND WAS TO COMMIT TO DOING THE DROP-OFF SERVICE THROUGH THE END OF THE ELECTION AGREEMENT AND DOING SO THEY COULD MOVE THOSE TRUCKS TO ANOTHER LOCATION RATHER THAN HAVING THEM PARKED HERE IN THEY WOULD SHARE THAT WITH US A REDUCTION IN THE MONTHLY INVOICE OF ABOUT $35,000. THE OTHER OPTION THEIR NUMBER THREE THROUGH SIX ALL REQUIRE CARDED COLLECTION SERVICE AND A FOUR AND HALF MILLION DOLLAR INVESTMENT FROM THE COUNTY IN ORDER TO I CARTS AND IT WOULD BE A TOTAL SYSTEM CHANGE AND REROUTE FOR THE ENTIRE COUNTY. THEN WE WOULD LOOK AT DOING THAT AGAIN WITH A NEW COLLECTION AGREEMENT IN TWO YEARS OR LESS. WE DON'T RECOMMENDS THAT YOU DO TWO MAJOR DISRUPTIONS TO THE ENTIRE SERVICE AREA THAT CLOSELY TOGETHER. WITH THAT STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT WE ADOPT WASTE MANAGEMENT OPTION NUMBER 2 WHICH IS TO COMMIT TO THE DROP-OFF RESPECT LINK THROUGH THE REMAINING TERM OF THE AGREEMENT. WITH THAT THEY WILL ALSO ADD ANOTHER DROP-OFF SITE AT A LOCATION OF OUR CHOOSING.

THEY DID ADD OMEGA PARK BACK IN THE FIRST WEEK OF APRIL SO THAT WAS ADDED WITH ANOTHER SITE THAT WOULD BRING US TO 13 DROP-OFFLOCATIONS IN THE COUNTY.

WITH THAT SIR, THAT BRINGS US TO OUR DECISION POINT.

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THE WASTE MANAGEMENT SERVICE OPTION, THE INCLUSION OF CARDED COLLECTION FOR GARBAGE AND RF, A PLAN OR THE ECC AND WE RATE ADJUSTMENT FOR THE COMING YEAR. WITH THAT SIR, ME AND THE TEAM

ARE AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS. >> CHAIR: LET ME START DOWN

HERE. >> COMMISSIONER: OKAY, I KIND OF KNOW THE ANSWER BUT COULD EXPLAIN BECAUSE A LOT OF OUR RESIDENT THOUGHT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO DO RECYCLING DARTING IN AUGUST OR A LITTLE AFTER SO NOW THIS COMES AS A SURPRISE THAT WE AREN'T GOING TO BE ABLE TO. CAN YOU EXPLAINTHAT?

>> SPEAKER: WE HOPE THAT THESE MANAGEMENT COULD HIRE ENOUGH STAFF. THEY HAVE MADE PROGRESS HERE RECENTLY OVER TIME THEY HIRE SOME AND THEN THEY HAVE TURNOVER AND THEY ARE ALWAYS INTO THAT ROLE.

CURRENTLY, THEY ARE STILL SHORT A NUMBER OF DRIVERS AND WE ARE RECOMMENDING GOING TO THE DROP-OFF FOR THE NEXT YEAR AND HALF OR SO. BECAUSE, WE ARE JUST NOT CONFIDENT AT WHAT TIME THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO BE FULLY

STAFFED. >> COMMISSIONER: AT THAT TIME WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE AUTOMATED TRUCKS?

>> SPEAKER: YES MA'AM. THE AUTOMATED AS WELL.

WHEN WE DELVE INTO THAT OPTION WHETHER THE SUPPLY CHAIN DELAYS FOR THEM GETTING IT MEANT THEY WERE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO GET THE TRUCKS THAT WOULD COME OUT OF SERVICE FROM ANOTHER LOCATION. THEY ARE WAITING ON THESE NEW TRUCKS TO FREE THOSE UP AND AT BEST IT LOOKS LIKE THOSE MAY COME AVAILABLE AT THE END OF THE YEAR.

AGAIN, THAT IS AT BEST. THE CART COSTS ARE SIGNIFICANT FOR THE COUNTY. IT WOULD REQUIRE THAT MASSIVE PUBLIC EDUCATION AND CHANGE OF ALL THE ROUTES AND ALL THE SERVICE DAYS AND VOLUMES FOR RESIDENT AS WELL AS SOME OF THE SERVICES WITH THOSE OPTIONS WE HAVE MOVED TO EVERY OTHER WEEK SERVICE FOR RECYCLING AND YARD TRASH.

AND, FINALLY WHAT REALLY CAME TO LIGHT FOR US WHEN WE REALLY STARTED CRUNCHING THOSE NUMBERS, THERE'S, IN THE COLLECTION CENTER FUND WHICH IS SEPARATE FROM THE DISPOSAL FUND WE HAVE LIMITED RESERVES ABOUT 1.4 MILLION AND THE COST FOR GOING TO THE CARDED COLLECTION AS OPPOSED TO THE SAVINGS WE WOULD GET WITH OPTION NUMBER 2 WE WOULD NEED TO INCREASE OUR RATE MORE THAN WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED TO THE $161.

>> COMMISSIONER: AND SO, WHEN WILL WE BEGIN?

>> SPEAKER: WITH THE RECOMMENDATION IT WOULD BEGIN WITH THE START OF THE NEW COLLECTION CONTRACT EFFECTIVE

OCTOBER FIRST OF 2020 OR. >> COMMISSIONER: OKAY.

AND THEN THE RESIDENTIAL ASSESSMENT USED THE OFF-SITE WHAT WILL HAPPEN WHEN SOMEBODY BRINGS THEIR ITEM THERE? WILL THEY HAVE TO PAY EACH TIME WHENEVER THEY GO DROP-OFF STUFF AT A YARD WASTE OR CUT DOWN A TREE?

>> SPEAKER: AT ROSEMARY HILL, YES, IT WOULD BE A HE ONLY FACILITY HOW MOST FACILITIES THAT ARE FEE-ONLY THEY HAVE A MINIMUM CHARGE. IT MIGHT BE TWO DOLLARS OR SOMETHING AND THAT COVERS UP TO A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF WEIGHT AND THEN BEYOND THAT IT WOULD BE YOU KNOW, A FEE.

>> COMMISSIONER: I FEEL LIKE THE RESIDENTS ARE GETTING THE SHAFT EVERY WHICH WAY HERE. I DON'T WHY ARE WE HAVING TO START THAT ALSO WHEN WE ARE HAVING TO - THEY HAVE TO SUFFER THEY HAVE BEEN SUFFERING QUITE A LONG TIME SO WHY WOULD WE

START THAT? >> SPEAKER: WE ARE TRYING TO PREPARE FOR GOING FORWARD WITH OUR NEXT AGREEMENT AND AS OUR

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WITH THOSE SERVICES. >> COMMISSIONER: THEY WILL NOT BE ABLE TO PUT THAT MUCH OUT WITH THE NEW SYSTEM, CORRECT? THERE'S GOING TO BE A LIMIT TO HOW MUCH YARD WASTE YOU CAN PUT

OUT IS THAT CORRECT? >> SPEAKER: THERE WILL BE A LIMIT THAT THERE IS A LIMIT RIGHT NOW ON YARD WASTE.

>> THERE IS A LIMIT RIGHT NOW I DID NOT KNOW THAT.

>> SPEAKER: YES. FIVE CUBIC YARD PER WEEK IS THE

LIMIT ON YARD TRASH COLLECTION. >> COMMISSIONER: ALL RIGHT.

OKAY. SO, HOW WILL YOU DETERMINE HOW MUCH - PER WEIGHT IS HOW MUCH THEY WILL HAVE THE PAY WHEN

THEY GO THERE? >> SPEAKER: RIGHT.

IF IT WAS YARD TRASH, THE PROPOSED WEIGHT WOULD BE $47 PER TON AND THAT IS FOR 2000 POUNDS.

>> COMMISSIONER: OKAY. LET ME SEE IF THERE WAS ANYTHING ELSE. SINCE 2016 YOU SAID WE HAVE LOST OVER FOR TEA MILLION DOLLARS BECAUSE OF THE LOWERED

RATE? >> SPEAKER: THAT WAS THE

EFFECT OF LOWERING OUR RATE. >> COMMISSIONER: WHY WERE THEY

LOWERED? >> SPEAKER: THEY WERE LOWERED AT THE DIRECTION OF THE PREVIOUS COUNTY MANAGER.

THEY FELT WE HAD ENOUGH MONEY IN RESERVE FUNDS AND WE COULD GIVE BACK SOME OF THOSE FUNDS TO RATE PEERS.

>> COMMISSIONER: SO, WE BEEN ABLE TO SEEK A BIG LOSS FROM NOW AND THEN AND WE PROBABLY ALREADY KNEW THAT WAS

HAPPENING? >> SPEAKER: RIGHT.

FOR INSTANCE, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE RESIDENTIAL ASSESSMENT, THE TOTAL ASSESSMENT RATES BETWEEN 2015 AND 2017 WAS A TOTAL RATE REDUCTION OF $19.20 CENTS PER

UNIT. >> SPEAKER: I WAS THERE AT THIS TIME AND I BELIEVE WE THOUGHT WE WERE COLLECT INTO MUCH MONEY AND I DON'T KNOW IF THERE IS A LIMIT TO HOW MUCH YOU CAN HAVE ENOUGH FUNDS THAT WAS AN KNITTED BUT THAT WAS THE CONCERN. BETWEEN WHEN THAT HAPPENS AND TODAY WE HAVE SOMEHOW MEANT TO SPEND A LOT MORE MONEY THAN WE

DID BACK THEN. >> SPEAKER: THE COST CERTAINLY CONTINUE TO GO BACK UP. TO MY ONE LAST QUESTION WOULD YOU EXPLAIN TO THE RESIDENCE AGAIN THEY THINK THEY ARE STILL PAYING FOR RECYCLING? CAN YOU TELL THEM HOW THEY ARE GOING TO BE REFUNDED OR HOW THAT WORKS? I HEAR THAT REGULARLY. WHY ARE WE PAYING STILL?

>> SPEAKER: THE COLLECTION SERVICE, THE COST OR RESIDENTIAL ASSESSMENT, IT IS COLLECT THE FULL AMOUNT THAT WE NEED TO PAY THE HOLLER COLLECTION SERVICE AND IT IS TRUE. WASTE MANAGEMENT IS NOT CURRENTLY PROVIDING CURBSIDE RECYCLING SERVICE, SO THEIR INVOICE IS BEING REDUCED BY THE CORRECT AMOUNT FOR THAT.

SO, LAST YEAR THE BOARD DIRECT THAT WE GIVE AN ADJUSTMENT ON THE TAX BILL FOR THOSE WEEKS AT THE END OF LAST YEAR WHERE RECYCLING WAS NOT CITED. IF THAT IS DONE IT WOULD AMOUNT TO ABOUT $22. IT WOULD BE DONE AS LAST YEAR IT WOULD BE REFLECT ON THE TAX BILL THAT WAS MAILED IN

NOVEMBER. >> COMMISSIONER: AND PROBABLY

THE SAME NEXT YEAR? >> SPEAKER: THAT WOULD BE A POOR DECISION. THE ONE THING I WANT TO MAKE CLEAR, AS WE GIVE THOSE FUNDS BACK IT PUTS THE FUNDS IN A POSITION WHERE WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO INCREASE THE OVERALL RATE IN ORDER TO COLLECT ENOUGH MONEY TO PAY THE BILLS WHERE RIGHT NOW OUR ASSESSMENT RATE IS JUST BEING ENOUGH TO PAY THE EXPENSES AND AS FUEL SURCHARGES CONTINUE TO GO UP AND WE GET

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SIGNIFICANT. >> COMMISSIONER: THE RESIDENTS DON'T SEE THAT PART AND IT'S SOMETHING WE HAVE TO LEAN.

ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. >> CHAIR: GO AHEAD.

>> COMMISSIONER: SO WHAT YOU JUST SAID THE FUEL CHARGES ARE IN ADDITION TO THE CONTRACTS? IS HAD TO BE THE WORST CONTRACT THAT WE EVER SIGNED AND THEN WE RENEWED IT SO THEY CAN JUST ADD

ON AND ADD ON? >> SPEAKER: I CAN TELL YOU FUEL CHARGES HAVE BEEN A CREDIT TO THE COUNTY WHEN THE FUEL WHEN WAY DOWN WE WERE ACTUALLY RECEIVING CREDIT FOR FUEL SO IT GOES BOTH WAYS. THE CREDIT OR THE SURCHARGE IS BASED ON THE BASE RATE OF FUEL AT THE TIME.

I THINK THE ONE WE ARE DOING NOW WAS AT THE TIME OF THE LAST CONTRACT RENEWAL FOR THE FUEL BASE RATE.

WHEN IT WAS SET. THAT IS COMMON FOR HAULING CONTRACT THAT YOU HAVE SOME TYPE OF YOU'LL ADJUSTMENT BECAUSE AS WE KNOW WE CANNOT PREDICT INTO THE FUTURE.

>> COMMISSIONER: OKAY. MY FIRST QUESTION IS DID THE STUDY LOOK AT UPGRADING RECITE FROM WASTE PICKUP? I KNOW AT ONE POINT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT POTENTIALLY HAVING A DIFFERENT COMPANY DO OUR RECYCLING DID THAT ADJUST AT

ALL YUMA. >> SPEAKER: WE DID NOT LOOK AT

OPERATING THE SERVICES. >> COMMISSIONER: OKAY.

>> SPEAKER: WE COULD IN. >> COMMISSIONER: BUT WE ARE NOT RECOMMENDING THAT. IF WE ARE NOT RECOMMENDING THAT THEN WHY WOULD WE NOT EXPECT WASTE MANAGEMENT TO DO CURBSIDE RECYCLING OR THE NEXT 18 MONTHS AND THEN WE WOULD PUT OUT A RFP AND GO BACK TO CURBSIDE RECYCLING? WHY WOULD THE RESIDENTS HAVE ANY FAITH THAT IN THE NEW CONTRACT CURBSIDE RECYCLING WOULD OR IF IT CAN'T OCCUR

TODAY? >> SPEAKER: WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING IS FOR MEMBERS TO MOVE TO CART BASE COLLECTION FOR GARBAGE SO THAT THESE UP THE CAMP PERSON ON THE GARBAGE ROUTE. THE ONES THAT HE HOLLERS ANTICIPATE WILL USE AUTOMATED COLLECTION VEHICLES FOR.

SO, THAT THESE UP THE STAFF THERE AND THEN, FOR THE RECYCLING THAT IS PART OF WHY WE ARE RECOMMENDING WE ASK BOTH OPTIONS THE MANUAL COLLECTION AND AUTOMATED ELECTION.

THE CARTED COLLECTION SERVICE WHICH GIVES THE RESPONDENTS AND OPTION IF THEY APPROACHED IT IN THAT WAY THAT WOULD ALSO FURTHER REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF STAFF NEEDED TO COLLECT THAT AMOUNT OF BUSINESS. YARD TRASH I THINK IS GOING TO FOR THE FORESEEABLE FUTURE THAT WILL STAY A MANUAL COLLECTION TYPE JOB BUT CERTAINLY WITH GARBAGE, IF IT MOVES TO DECREASE THE MANUAL COMPONENT AND POTENTIALLY RECITE IS THAT MANUAL COMPONENT SO INSTEAD OF NEEDING THE TWO DRIVERS +42 HELPERS THE NUMBERS WILL POTENTIALLY DECREASE CERTAINLY

THE HELPER NUMBER DECREASES. >> COMMISSIONER: OKAY.

AND THEN, IS THE $15 MILLION IN ACTUAL LOSS OR IS IT A ATTENTIONAL OF LOST REVENUE? SPEED IT WAS REVENUE THAT WAS NOT COLLECT THAT THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN COLLECT HAD WE NOT

LOWER THE RATE. >> COMMISSIONER: I WANT TO BE THERE FROM THE RESIDENT IS MISLEADING TO SAY WE LOST $15 MILLION. WE DIDN'T WE COULD HAVE ELECTED MORE THAN WE DID BUT WE COVERED THE EXPENDITURES.

>> SPEAKER: YES. WE COVERED EXPENDITURES ON CURBSIDE OR A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME.

FOR THREE YEARS FOR WE HAD THE INCREASED RATE AGAIN.

ON THE DISPOSAL SIDE WE HAD COVERED UP UNTIL THIS POINT THOSE EXPENDITURES. BUT, WHEN I SO, THOSE REVENUES THAT WE DID NOT COLLECT HAVING NOT LOWERED WE WOULD HAVE HAD PROBABLY NOT COME FOR THE RATE INCREASE IN 2019 BECAUSE WE WOULD HAVE HAD ADDED RESERVE TO DEAL WITH THE INCREASE IN COSTS

PERIOD OF TIME. >> COMMISSIONER: BUT WE CANNOT

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MY ISSUE IS, OUR RESIDENTS ARE FACING RECORD ELATION.

AND WE HAVE REDUCED THEIR SERVICES AND HERE WE ARE COMING BACK IN A WE WANT YOU TO PAY MORE AND BY THE WAY WERE GOING TO DO LESS FOR YOU. IT FEELS LIKE THE WRONG PLACE TO BE. TO COMMISSIONER KRISTEN BURKE COMMENT, IT'S THE RESIDENTS WHO ARE GETTING THE SHAFT ALL THE WAY AROUND ON THIS RECOMMENDATION AND STAFF DID NOT COME TO A RECOMMENDATION FOR A REFUND OF RECYCLING THAT WE TOLD THEM WE WERE GOING TO COME WITH AND I UNDERSTAND IT'S $22 AND THAT IS A SLAP IN THE FACE AND MOST OF THE MONEY GOES TO HOUSEHOLD DISPOSAL AND PICKUP.

I CAN TELL YOU WHAT WE HEAR WHEN WE ARE OUT WITH OUR RESIDENT AND THEY FEEL LIKE THEY AREN'T GETTING THE SERVICES THAT THEY ARE ALREADY PAYING FOR AND THEN WERE GOING TO ASK THEM TO PAY MORE FOR THE LOCK OF SERVICE.

I STILL DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE WOULD RECOMMEND NOT TAKING UP.

I UNDERSTAND THE AUTOMATED PART IN RECITE LINK BUT I DON'T KNOW WHY WE WOULD TELL OUR RESIDENT FOR THE NEXT TWO YEARS WERE NOT GOING TO PICK UP YOUR RECYCLING THAT WERE GOING TO GO BACK TO IT, TRUST US AND THEY DON'T TRUST ANYTHING WE SAY BECAUSE EVERY TIME WE GIVE THEM A POTENTIAL DATE WE MISS IT.

THAT'S JUST MY INITIAL THOUGHT. >> CHAIR: IT IS A TOUGH TIME TO BE A COUNTY COMMISSIONER. ANYTHING ELSE?

COMMISSIONER JIM RENNINGER? >> COMMISSIONER: I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. WE TALKED ABOUT PURCHASING BINS

OUT OF THE COLLECTION RESERVES. >> SPEAKER: IF WE DID IN PRESENTLY IT WOULD HAVE COME OUT OF DISPOSAL.

THE COLLECTION RESERVES ARE NOT AVAILABLE OR THAT.

>> COMMISSIONER: THE DISPOSAL RESERVES WERE 1.2 MILLION?

>> SPEAKER: NO, THE COLLECTION .

>> COMMISSIONER: NFOR EDIFICATION WE PICK UP FIVE CUBIC YARD OF LAWN DEBRIS PER WEEK?

>> SPEAKER: UP TO FIVE BRICKYARD AT EACH HOME.

THAT IS FIVE BY FIVE I FIVE THAT IS A LOT OF GRASS CLIPPING. WE HAPPENS IF YOU HAVE SIX CUBIC YARD? WHAT HAPPENS IF I PUT OUT CUBIC

YARD? >> SPEAKER: IF YOU GO OVER THE LIMIT THE PROCEDURE IS THAT THEY WOULD COLLECT THE LIMIT AND THEN LEAVE THE REST WITH A TAXING THAT IT WAS OVER THE

LIMIT. >> COMMISSIONER: AND THEN THEY WOULD PICK IT UP THE FOLLOWING WEEK? WE ARE TALKING ABOUT LAWN DEBRIS WHICH EMANATED FROM THE LAWN OR TREES, ORGANICALLY SERIAL.

JUST SO THE RESIDENTS KNOW, 5X5X5 IS A LOT OF DEBRIS.

>> SPEAKER: THAT IS THE GENERAL AMOUNT FOR SERVICES.

>> COMMISSIONER: THE DISPOSAL SPOT FOR SOLID WASTE IS CURRENTLY IN GEORGIA? WHERE ARE THE OTHERS IN THE AREA HE MET ARE THERE ANY IN FLORIDA?

>> SPEAKER: LANDFILLS? CERTAINLY THERE ARE.

THERE'S A BIG LIMB FELL IN UNION COUNTY THAT IS OWNED BY THREE COUNTIES. THAT IS CALLED THE NEW RIVER LANDFILL. THERE'S WE KNOW PUTNAM COUNTY SOLID WASTE HAS EXPRESSED INTEREST IN RECEIVING SOME OF OUR GARBAGE. THERE IS A BIG REGION OF LANDFILL IN SUMTER COUNTY. AND OF COURSE WE HAVE THE ONE IN GEORGIA. THERE ARE OF COURSE THERE IS THE LANDFILL IN JACKSONVILLE BUT THEY DON'T OUT OF COUNTY WASTE. THAT IS OWNED BY DEVOL COUNTY IN JACKSONVILLE AND AS FAR AS C&D THERE'S ONE IN PUTNAM HONEY AS WELL AS ONE IN THE SOUTH END OF JACKSONVILLE ON OLD KINGS

ROAD. >> I'M GOING WITH THIS LINE OF ASSUMING IS THE THIRD TRANSFER STATION IF I REMEMBER CORRECT THE, IT IS EXPECTED IN NORTHWEST CLAY?

AND THE REASON FOR THAT? >> WE ARE CURRENTLY TALKING TO THE PROPERTY OWNER AND THEY HAVE A PROPERTY ALONG 301 AT

THE EDGE OF THE COUNTY LINE. >> COMMISSIONER: I THINK IN MY

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>> SPEAKER: I THINK WE ARE CHOOSING IT NOT BASED ON WHERE THE LANDFILL IS BECAUSE THAT COULD CHANGE, RIGHT HE MET WE ARE PUTTING IN AN RF AND IT MAY OR MAY NOT CHANGE.

THAT IS A GOOD SITE TO SHORTEN FROM THE GROWTH IN THE NORTH AS WELL AS THOSE LARGE SUBDIVISIONS RIGHT NEAR THE COUNTY LINE. IT WAS SHORTEN THE TURNAROUND

DISTANCE ON THE CURBSIDE ROUTE. >> COMMISSIONER: THE PRIMARY BENEFIT IS CURBSIDE? PRIMARY IS CURBSIDE LOCATION

AND SECONDARY - >> SPEAKER: BY SHORTENING THOSE JUSTDISTANCES IT WON'T BE UP AND RUNNING AT THIS RFP THE TURNAROUND MAKES THE ROUTE OR EFFICIENT THEREFORE THAT SHOULD BE READ IN THE RATE THAT WE GIVE ON THE FUTURE RFP.

>> COMMISSIONER: I AM INTERESTED IN THE SOLAR OPTION.

I THINK IN THE BACKUP MATERIAL I TALKED ABOUT ANOTHER COUNTY THAT HAD A SOLAR FARM INSTALLED ON A LANDFILL SITE BUT I THINK IT WAS EIGHT ACRES. HOW BIG IS ROSEMARY?

>> SPEAKER: DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY TOTAL IT? 32 ACRES FOR THE ENTIRE SITE. HOW EACH LANDFILL HILL IS, I

CANNOT TELL YOU. >> COMMISSIONER: I GUESS IT IS A MATTER OF SCALE QUESTION. IF WE ARE LOOKING AT THIS AS AN

OPTION, WHAT SIZE SOLAR FARM? >> SPEAKER: REALLY, IN TOURING THAT OTHER FACILITY THAT WAS THE BIGGEST LESSON OUT OF THAT WAS THE COUNTY DOES NOT WANT TO OWN IT YOU WANT A PARTNER BECAUSE THE COUNTY AS A PUBLIC AGENCY WE CANNOT GET ANY OF THOSE RECITE IN CREDIT WHICH HELP POWER READING ENERGY CREDIT WHICH HELP MAKE THE MATH WORK.

TO MAKE IT A VIABLE WAY TO PRODUCE POWER.

SO, I THINK WHAT IT WOULD BE IS WE WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT THE AVAILABLE SPACE WE HAVE AT CLOSED LANDFILLS AND THAT ROSEMARY AND WE HAVE A NUMBER OF OTHER LOWS LAND ELSE IN THE

COUNTY. >> COMMISSIONER: NOT NEARLY AS

LARGE? >> SPEAKER: WE HAVE A COUPLE THAT ARE GOOD SIZED. SO, THAT WOULD GIVE US REALLY, AS FAR AS HOW BIG, THAT IS LARGELY WE WOULD LOOK AT WHOEVER THAT PARTNER IS AND HOW MUCH THEY WOULD BE INTERESTED IN BUILDING FIRST AND HOW MUCH IS AVAILABLE AT THE RIGHT.

>> COMMISSIONER: I THINK THAT'S ALL I HAVE RIGHT NOW.

>> COMMISSIONER: WE WILL GIVE YOU ANOTHER CHANCE AT THE END.

>> COMMISSIONER: JUST TO REFERENCE WHAT COMMISSIONER BETSY CONDON SAID, THE INCREASE IN COST AND SERVICE, THAT'S WHERE WE LIVE TODAY. WHETHER IT IS A B FORMULA WHICH IS IN SHORT SUPPLY, FORGETTING TO PAY $120 FOR $12 CAN AND IF YOU CAN'T GET IT, WHAT WE HAVE TO DO AS A BOARD AS WE MITIGATE THOSE COSTS FOR THE RESIDENCE AT THE SAME TIME WE HAVE HAVE MONEY TO OPERATE THE SERVICE TO BE ABLE TO DO WHAT THEY WANT US TO DO. CERTAINLY IT IS A TENUOUS COUNSELING ACT. TALKING DISPOSAL, WE MIGHT AS WELL CONTINUE I HAVE ONE QUESTION IN REGARDS TO THAT.

ISN'T THAT DECIDED BY THE RFP AND ULTIMATELY THIS BOARD BASED

ON WHAT RFP WE GET? >> SPEAKER: THE RFP THAT WOULD BE PART OF THE PACKAGE IT WOULD BE UP TO THE RESPONDENT TO LET US KNOW WHERE THE DISPOSAL LOCATION IS THAT THEY ARE PROPOSING AND AT WHAT RATE. SO, AS WE HAVE IN OUR CURRENT AGREEMENT AND I THINK WE WANT TO DUPLICATE THIS PORTION IS WE HAVE A RATE FOR TRANSPORTATION, FOR LOADING AND TRANSPORTING IT AND A RATE MUZZLE IN A WORSE WE BLEND THAT TOGETHER AS A TOTAL RATE AND WE ARE COMPARING WHAT IS THE BEST DEAL FOR THE COUNTY? BY HAVING THEM SEPARATE THE TWO WE KNOW WHAT THOSE COMPONENTS COST.

>> COMMISSIONER: GOING TO CART AND COLLECTION, ARE THOSE

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>> SPEAKER: ONLY IF WE ARE GOING TO CARTED COLLECTION.

THAT WOULD REALLY REDUCE THE LIMIT IF WE WENT AWAY FROM COLLECT BEING LOOSE DEBRIS. THERE ARE OPTIONS IN THERE.

YOU COULD GO CARTED AND THEN DO LOOSE DEBRIS EVERY OTHER WEEK.

>> COMMISSIONER: IF WE PICKED IT UP NOW WHOEVER OUR PARTNER IS THEY WOULD HAVE TO HAVE A SEPARATE TRUCK OTHER THAN THE CARTED TRUCK IN ORDER TO DO THAT?

>> SPEAKER: RIGHT. THE CARTED TRUCK IF WE WENT TO A CARTED RECYCLING AS WELL THEY COULD SERVE AS BOTH GARBAGE AND RECYCLING WHICH WOULD THEY WOULD NEED DIGITALLY LESS SPARE TRUCKS ON THE YARD IF THEY COULD USE MORE LINES OF SERVICE BUT THE YARD TRASH WOULD BE A VEHICLE MUCH MORE SIMILAR TO WHAT THEY ARE USING NOW. A REAR LOAD WHERE IT IS LOADED

FROM THE BACK. >> COMMISSIONER: WITH THE CARTED TRUCK WOULD YOU ANTICIPATE THEM PICKING UP LESS IN TERMS OF THE 5X5X5 LIKE THEY DO RIGHT NOW?

>> SPEAKER: THE FIVE CUBIC YARD TRUCK, WE COMPARED TO OTHER MUNICIPALITIES IN THE COUNTY AND THAT IS A BIT GENEROUS. SO, WE SHOULD LOOK AT THAT AND SEE WHAT MAKE SENSE FOR THE COMMUNITY.

I THINK, YES, WE VERY MAY WELL COME IN AND THE MYTH THAT MORE TO HELP KEEP THE RATE FROM GETTING TO WILD ON US ON THE YARD TRUCK DIED. THE TWO IN TERMS OF RESIDENTIAL DROP-OFF YOU RECOMMEND WE GO TO A FEE-ONLY? SO WE WOULD HAVE A FREE AMOUNT OF WASTE TO DROP OFF DURING THE COURSE OF THE YEAR IN TERMS OF THE RESIDENT? THE COMMERCIAL APP ASIANS THEY WOULD BE CONTINUING TO DO THAT? SO, OUR ALLOWANCE IS 13 TONS PER YEAR?

>> SPEAKER: CURRENTLY UP TO 500 POUNDS PER WEEK IF YOU MAXIMIZE THAT THEY COULD DROP OFF 1300 TONS PER YEAR.

>> COMMISSIONER: WHAT WOULD YOU SAY IS THE AMOUNT OF RESIDENTS WHO USE THAT? OR LESS.

B2 THE TOTAL NUMBER? PREDOMINATE NUMBER OF RESIDENT? THREE MOST DON'T USE IT TO THAT DEGREE.

MOST USE IT TWICE A YEAR. >> COMMISSIONER: WE COULD GO WITH AN ALTERNATE TO WHETHER IT WOULD BE 500 PER WEEK OR 500 PER MONTH OR A TOTAL OF THE YEAR AND THEN YOU'VE USED UP YOUR COMPONENT FOR THAT COLLECTION YOU COULD GO TO THE

E. >> SPEAKER: RIGHT.

THERE CERTAINLY OPPORTUNITIES TO REDUCE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR ABUSING IT BY DOING THE 13 TONS WITHOUT TAKING THE PROGRAM

AWAY. >> COMMISSIONER: AND THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT ISN'T IT? CERTAIN PEOPLE ABUSE THE PRIVILEGE BECAUSE THEY ARE BRINGING IN MORE THAN AN AVERAGE HOUSEHOLD WOULD

GENERATE. >> COMMISSIONER: THAT'S RIGHT.

>> SPEAKER: AN AVERAGE HOUSEHOLD WOULD GENERATE LESS

THAN ONE PER YEAR. >> COMMISSIONER: I HOPE A RENT TAKE DOWN A STOCKADE FENCE AND WE PACKED IT INTO MY IDEA AND WE TOOK IT DOWN THERE. I WAS HELPING OUT A NEIGHBOR BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T HAVE A WAY TO GET THERE AND I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW MANY TRIPS I MADE IT WAS A LOT OF STOCKADE IN AND IT QUALIFIED UNDER THE HUNDRED POUNDS DON'T KNOW HOW MANY TIMES SO I THINK THAT MIGHT BE AN OPTION TO BE ABLE TO HELP BOTH. TO HELP RESIDENTS AND NOT HAVE TO PAY ONE AND THEN WHATEVER IT IS.

I THINK YOU HAVE SOMETHING IN HERE THAT SAID LESS THAN 20 PERCENT ACTUALLY USE THE DROP OFF ANYWAY.

>> COMMISSIONER: RIGHT. >> SPEAKER: EVERYONE'S PAYING FOR THE AVAILABILITY BUT LESS THAN 10 PERCENT OF HOMES ARE

UTILIZING IT. >> COMMISSIONER: TO MINIMIZE ABUSE AND COST. I LIKE US TO MOVE IN THAT DIRECTION WHERE PEOPLE CAN STILL DROP IT OFF BUT THEY ARE IN A SITUATION WHERE THEY ARE BEING ABUSED BY COMMERCIAL OPERATORS POSING AS RESIDENTIAL.

AS FAR AS THE ECC HOW IS THAT OPERATING? PEOPLE CAN STILL DROP OFF AREA AND IT WOULD NOT COST THE MANY MAC IS THERE NO COST YOU DROP IT OFF ECC?

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>> SPEAKER: WE ARE NOT PROPOSING ANY THE THERE.

WE HAVE ONE ATTENDANT AT THE CENTER AND THEY ARE OUT THERE BY HIMSELF WITH YOU KNOW, LIMITED WAYS TO REALLY SECURE IF IT'S GOING TO BE DIFFICULT WITH ONE PERSON TO FOLLOW THE PROPER PROTOCOL AS WELL AS THE EMPLOYEES AT RISK.

IN THE PAST I AM TOLD THAT COLLECTION CENTERS WHEN THEY WERE OPEN AS A PRIMARY WAY TO DROP OFF WASTE THAT THEY HAD TO ATTENDANT AND THEY DID COLLECT MONEY THE DOLLAR BAG OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. BUT WE DON'T PROPOSE THAT.

>> COMMISSIONER: AND TECHNOLOGY WISE I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE THE CAPABILITY AT THIS POINT TO BE ABLE TO WAY AND

DETERMINE. >> SPEAKER: WE ARE NOT ABLE TO WAY AT THE DROP OFF CENTER AND THAT IS WHY OUR LIMIT THERE ARE BASED ON VOLUME. THE DAILY LIMIT OR A RESIDENT IS ONE AND AND A HALF CUBIC CARDS WHICH WE DO TRY TO MAKE SOMEWHAT COMPARABLE WHEN THEY CAN DROP OFF.

>> COMMISSIONER: IN TERMS OF RECYCLING I NOTICED THAT YOU DIDN'T HAVE A CIVIC RECOMMENDATION BUT WE TALKED ABOUT DUAL STREAM AND ANGLE STREAM AND WHAT WOULD BE THE BEST WAY TO MAKE THAT DETERMINATION BY COST OR

SERVICE? >> SPEAKER: THERE ARE PROS AND CONS TO BOTH. OBVIOUSLY CONVENIENCE FACTORS CARTED COLLECTION SINGLE STREAM IS THE MOST CONVENIENT FOR RESIDENT FOR THOSE USING IT. WITHOUT NO, IT IS GOING TO COST YOU LESS I THINK ON YOUR COLLECTION SIDE BUT YOU ARE GOING TO PAY A SIGNIFICANT PROCESSING THE TO HELP WITH THAT PROCESS. AND SO, OUR IDEA ON GETTING A RATE OR BOTH ONE YOU CAN SEE THE DIFFERENTIAL ON THE ELECTION DIED AND THEN WE CAN GO OUT AND TALK TO PROCESSORS ABOUT WHAT THE PROCESSING COST IS AND THAT WOULD ALLOW US TO LOOK AT THE CONVENIENCE DIED AS WELL AS AT TOTAL COST FACTOR OF

THOSE CHOICES. >> COMMISSIONER: THE SINGLE STREAM IS MORE EXPENSIVE BECAUSE THEY HAVE TWO SEPARATE TAINTED MATERIALS VERSUS MATERIALS THAT THEY WOULD PASS ON THAT ANKLE. [BLEEP] DEE.

>> SPEAKER: IF IT WOULD BE MUCH MORE COSTLY THEN WE WOULD NOT SEE THE AMOUNT OF NET REVENUES.

HOWEVER, A LOT OF THAT WOULD BE OFFSET BECAUSE I EXPECT THE COLLECTION COSTS WOULD BE SIGNIFICANTLY LESS.

YOU DO HAVE THE INVEST OF HAVING INVITED ADDITIONAL CARDS TO ALL THE HOUSEHOLDS AND RIGHT NOW THE CARTS ARE $65 EACH.

>> COMMISSIONER: THE 4.5 MILLION IN TERMS OF ARTS WE HAVE BY IS JUST FOR MAINSTREAM WAYS?

>> SPEAKER: RIGHT. IF THE COUNTY WERE TO PURCHASE CARD FOR BOTH THEN WE COULD DOUBLE THE NUMBERS.

>> COMMISSIONER: THE FINAL THING AND I LEFT THIS DOES BOTH COMMISSIONER BETSY CONDON AND COMMISSIONER KRISTEN BURKE BROUGHT IT UP I KNOW WE HAVE FOLKS FROM WASTE AND JUDGMENT HERE, I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR WHERE WE ARE AND WHAT THEIR CHALLENGES CONTINUE TO BE IN TERMS OF MANPOWER BECAUSE QUITE HONESTLY THAT'S WHY WE STOP THE RECYCLING AND POSTPONED IT BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T HAVE THE MANPOWER TO HANDLE IT AND IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE WE'VE MADE ANY PROGRESS IN THAT DIRECTION TO BE ABLE TO RESTART THAT. I KNOW THAT SOME OF OUR RESIDENT THESE IN THE TELEVISION COVERAGE OF WHAT GOES ON IN JACK BILL WE STARTED AND I LIKE HERE ABOUT WHETHER THAT IS WORKING FOR THEM OR NOT WORKING THEM SO WE CAN MAKE SOME KIND OF INTELLIGENT DECISION ON WHETHER WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT OR HOLD OFF AND DO SOMETHING NEW ALTOGETHER AT THE SAME TIME. I THINK REAGAN AND MARCEL ARE

THE CHAIRMAN? >> SPEAKER: GOOD MORNING COMMISSIONERS. WASTE MANAGEMENT HERE IN JACKSONVILLE. TO ANSWER YOUR AND COMMISSIONER MOFOR EVERYONE'S MEMORY WHEN WE PAUSE RECYCLING BACK IN AUGUST WE NEEDED 42 DRIVERS TO PERFORM THE ROUTES EVERY DAY.

AT THE TIME WE HAD 30 DRIVERS ON STAFF.

TODAY WE HAVE 28 AND WE DO HAVE THREE DRIVERS IN TRAINING WHICH GETS US 31 AND WE'VE ACTUALLY BEEN MY SUCCESS OVER THE LAST TWO OR WEEKS WITH HIRING NEW DRIVERS WE HAVE FIVE DRIVERS THAT HAVE OFFERED HAVE NOT YET STARTED BUT WILL COME TO TRAINING OVER THE NEXT FEW WEEKS.

CURRENTLY 31 WITH THE FOLKS WE HAVE IN TRAINING AND THE OTHER

FIVE WOULD GET US TO 36. >> COMMISSIONER: OKAY.

AND FROM YOUR UNDERSTANDING WHAT HAS HAPPENED IN JACK BILL? I THINK THEY WENT BACK TO THE ELECTION IN APRIL AND HAS THAT

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YES SIR.THEY WENT BACK TO COLLECTING APRIL FOURTH.

A COUPLE KEY DIFFERENCES BETWEEN WHAT THE CITY OF JACKSONVILLE DOES AND THE COUNTY AND IN THE CITY OF JACKSONVILLE THERE COLLECTIONS ARE LISTED EVERY OTHER WEEK SO FOR US IN JACK BILL VERY SIMILAR WE COLLECT THE 5000 HOMES AND IN WAY IS RIGHT ABOUT 70,000 HOMES BUT IT AND EVERY OTHER WEEK SERVICE SO HALF OF THE TOUCHES IF YOU WILL AND ITS END WITH AN AUTOMATED TRUCK AND THAT ONLY HAS ONE DRIVER WHICH HERE IN WAY WE HAD A HELPER ON THE BACK OF THE TRUCK TO MANUALLY SORT THE CARDBOARD FROM THE SICK AND THE TIN AND AS A WEEKLY SERVICE. FOR US IN JACK BILL FIVE ROUTE PER DAY FIVE EMPLOYEES AND ARE IN A COUNTY IT WIRED ANYWHERE BETWEEN NINE AND 10 ROUTES PER DAY AND WITH A HELPER IN THE BACK. BY THE WAYS IN JACK BILL IT WOULD BE BETWEEN 18 AND 20 TWO RAM FROM AND THAT IN LAKE

COUNTY. >> OKAY.

CHAIRMAN, I DON'T KNOW IF ANYONE ELSE HAS QUESTIONS.

WHILE HE IS UP HERE. AND SO, LET'S JUST INITIATE UP IT LOOKS LIKE JUST IN A RECENT TIMEFRAME WE HAVE BEEN SUCCESS WILL IN TERMS OF BEING ABLE TO ATTRACT CANDIDATE.

ARE YOU DOING SOMETHING DIFFERENT OR IS IT THAT THE

MARKET IS CHANGING? >> I THINK MORE PEOPLE ARE RETURNING TO THE WORK WORST IN THE OTHER THING THAT IS FAIRLY SIGNIFICANT YOU MIGHT RECALL FOR ALL OF LAST YEAR WE WERE OFF RING A $10,000 SIGNING BONUS ON TOP OF THE WAGE WHICH WAS $20 TO START. ALL.

WE THOUGHT IT WOULD BE BUT THERE WERE SOME FOLKS THAT WERE SCARED OF THAT. IT WAS A TWO YEAR PAYOUT AND WE THOUGHT THEY WOULD HAVE TO PAY OUT IF THEY LEFT THE COMPANY SO WE REDUCE THAT TO A $5000 NEW HIRE BONUS INSTEAD FROM $20 AN HOUR TO 24 AND WE SEE THAT ATTRACTING ADDITIONAL

CANDIDATE. >> COMMISSIONER: FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO SAY THAT THE WAY I VIEW THIS IS THIS IS A SERVICE WE ARE PROVIDING TO OUR CONSTITUENT.

I MEAN, WE ARE SOUNDING KIND OF STINGY IN THE STUFF WE ARE TRYING TO DO HERE. I THINK IT IS MORE IMPORTANT TO GIVE FOLKS VALUE FOR THEIR MONEY AND WE USED TO HAVE THE GREATEST HERBAGE SERVICE OF ANYBODY AROUND.

ABOUT TWO YEARS INTO IT AND I WOULD LIKE TO GET BACK TO THAT IF WE COULD. ARE WE LEGALLY REQUIRED TO HAVE RECYCLING IN PLACE IN CLAY COUNTY?

>> SPEAKER: DO YOU MEAN UNDER THE CONTRACT OR STATE STATUTE?

>> COMMISSIONER: I DON'T THINK WE LEGALLY ARE.

CHARLIE MIGHT HAVE A BETTER- >> COMMISSIONER: TO THE PUBLIC I'M JUST EXPLORING THEM AREAS HERE.

DON'T GET ME WRONG. >> SPEAKER: THERE WAS, COMMISSIONER BACK IN 2012, HOUSE BILL 7420 READ WITH WIRED RECYCLING TO BE REPORTED TO THE STATE ON AN ANNUAL BASIS WITH A GOAL OF RECYCLING 70 PERCENT OVER A 10 TO 15 YEAR PERIOD.

WE HAVE SURPASSED THE GOAL OF 75 PERCENT IN THE LEGISLATURE THIS YEAR THEY PASSED A BILL THAT SAID BASIC THE WE ARE GOING TO USE DEP OF THEM A YEAR TO REEVALUATE WHAT THAT RATE SHOULD ACTUALLY BE. AT THE TIME IT WAS ESTABLISHED IN 2012 IT ALLOWED COUNTIES WITH LESS THAN 100,000 PEOPLE NOT TO PRODUCE PAY SO THERE WAS NO LEGAL REQUIREMENT FOR ANYONE TO PARTICIPATE AND RECITE ONLY IN REPORTING.

>> CHAIR: OKAY. I READ THE STUDY AND I WANT TO COMPLEMENT FOLKS WHO WROTE THE THING.

IT WAS VERY GOOD. I USED TO DO THIS SORT OF THING AND IT WAS REALLY COMPREHENSIVE.

ONE THING THAT JUMPED OUT AT ME WAS A NUMBER I WANT TO RECALL, OR PERCENT, ONLY FOUR PERCENT OF EVERYTHING WE ELECT IS ACTUALLY ABLE TO BE RECYCLED? THAT IS A PRETTY DARN SMALL NO.

IS ANYBODY READING THAT CORRECT?

THAT WAS JUST NEWSPRINT. >> CHAIR: I GUESS WHERE I'M

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>> COMMISSIONER: I DON'T RECALL.

>> COMMISSIONER: IN 2020 IT WAS NINE PERCENT.

>> COMMISSIONER: NINE PERCENT OF PEOPLE ARE RECYCLING AREA IS SEEMS LIKE WE ARE GOING THROUGH A LOT OF EFFORT FOR THE 8020 RULE THING AND OF THAT NINE PERCENT OF THE PEOPLE WHO ARE RECYCLING HOW MUCH OF THAT STUFF IS ACTUALLY RECYCLED? IS IT OR PERCENT? WHAT ARE THE OTHERS? WHAT IS PLASTIC? I KNOW THAT PLASTIC IS AN ISSUE

RIGHT? >> SPEAKER: THERE ARE TWO MEASURING POINTS ONE RIGHT AT BY THE TUMOR AND THEN WHAT IS PROCESS FOR WE ARE PROCESSING 100 PERCENT WHAT WE RECEIVE.

>> CHAIR: THAT ONLY FOUR PERCENT OF THAT IS ABLE TO GO

OUT THE DOOR AND GET RESOLD? >> SPEAKER: I THINK THAT WAS

JUST NEW PRINT. >> SPEAKER: LEFT MODELS IS 43 PERCENT IS USABLE AND THERE IS 15 CATEGORIES HERE.

>> CHAIR: WHAT DOES THAT? >> SPEAKER: IS PAGE 9 BUT I DID NOT LOOK AT THE NUMBER OF FOR THE RECYCLING.

IS THAT IN THERE SOMEWHERE? >> CHAIR: THAT'S WHERE I GOT

THE FOUR PERCENT FROM. >> SPEAKER: I WOULD BET IT IS

A LOT HIGHER THAN NINE PERCENT. >> SPEAKER: IT IS ON PAGE 27.

>> SPEAKER: THIS IS THE THREE YEAR TREND IN THE RECYCLE RATE.

>> SPEAKER: THE TOP OF 27 HAS THE WAKE COUNTY RECYCLING RATE.

18 AND 20 AND YOU CAN SEE IT IS GOING DOWN AND THAT'S WHAT

SHE'S TRYING TO SAY. >> CHAIR: IT IS NINE PERCENT

NOW AND IS THAT A BLIP? >> SPEAKER: YOU CAN SEE THAT THE TREND WAS DECREASING AND IT COULD RELATE TO WHEN WITH COVID AND CHANGES SEE A LOT OF UPS RIGHT NOW WITH COVID.

>> CHAIR: I GET THAT AND THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING THAT.

THE OTHER NUMBER WHICH WAS SIGNIFICANT HE WAS THE AMOUNT OF YARD WASTE YOUR PICKING UP. WITH ALL THE STUFF WE ARE DOING IT'S 20 PERCENT? THAT WOULD TELL ME THAT HE MADE THE RIGHT DECISION WAY BACK WHEN VICE ENDING THE ELECTION OF THE RECYCLABLES AND CONCENTRATING ON YARD WASTE BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT PEOPLE ARE DOING.

>> COMMISSIONER: MR. CHAIR, COULD YOU CLARIFY I THOUGHT WE JUST SAID ON THE RECORD THAT ONLY NINE PERCENT OF OUR RESIDENTS RECITE BUT THAT IS NOT TRUE.

IT IS NINE PERCENT OF THE ELECT AMOUNT.

NOT PARTICIPATION. DO WE KNOW PARTICIPATION RATE?

>> SPEAKER: WE DO NOT. >> COMMISSIONER: I THINK THAT WAS MORE OF AN ANSWER OF WHAT YOU ARE GOING WITH.

>> CHAIR: I'M TRYING TO ASK HER WHERE THE SWEET SPOTS ARE SO WE CAN GET THE RIGHT POLICIES IN PLACE TO SERVE.

ALL RIGHT. >> COMMISSIONER: WHAT THAT NUMBER TELLS ME IS IF WE DON'T COLLECT RECITE DOUBLES OUR HOUSEHOLD WASTE IS GOING UP NINE PERCENT BECAUSE THEY'RE

GOING TO THROW IN THE TRASH. >> SPEAKER: IT WILL AND WHERE THE HAT OF ONE THAT ONCE TO PUSH RECYCLING IT TELLS ME THERE'S A LOT OF OPPORTUNITIES FOR EDUCATION, OUTREACH IN INCREASING YOUR RECOVERY. AND, IN THE END WHILE RECYCLING IS A COT IS REVENUE IN IT AND THE MARKETS GO UP AND DOWN AND SOME OF YOU MIGHT BE FAMILIAR WITH CHINA SWORD AND THE TERMS THAT CAME OUT THERE BUT WE ARE SEEING HUGE RECOVERY RATES RECITE THING AT $150 PER TON AND I MEAN.

>> CHAIR: HOW MUCH ARE WE MAKING AS A COUNTY YEAR? AFTER COLLECTION COSTS AND ASSESS COSTS? THAT AGAIN MOVES WILDLY BECAUSE IT IS A COMMODITY BASED ON MARKET. SO,

>> COMMISSIONER: IT IS AN AUDIBLE NUMBER RIGHT?

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I BELIEVE? >> SPEAKER: THE STAFF IS LOOKING TO SEE IF WE HAVE THAT NUMBER.

I DON'T HAVE IT WITH TWO YEARS AGO WE WERE PAYING FOR OUR PAPER TO BE RECYCLED BECAUSE THE MARKETS WENT NEGATIVE.

AND YOU KNOW, THAT WAS THE FIRST TIME THAT HAD HAPPENED IN MY MEMORY IN THIS BUSINESS AND LAST YEAR WE DID MAKE SOME

INCOME. >> SPEAKER: I DON'T HAVE THOSE SPECIFIC NUMBERS BUT OVERALL THE WAY WE HAVE SEEN IT IS WE DON'T NECESSARILY MAKE A LOT OF MONEY WE JUST BREAK EVEN.

WITH THIS YEAR'S REVENUE NUMBERS.

$200,000 FOR THE YEAR BUT THAT EVERYTHING.

>> CHAIR: THAT'S JUST REVENUE? >> SPEAKER: THAT DOES INCLUDE OUR COMMERCIAL RECYCLING REVENUE AS WELL.

>> CHAIR: ALL RIGHT. LET'S FOCUS ON THE 500 POUNDS PER WEEK. AND WHY CAN'T, YOU HAVE TO GIVE YOUR DRIVERS LICENSE WE DRIVE IN.

WHY DO WE THINK THERE'S A LOT OF ROD? THE THREE I'M NOT SAYING A LOT HERE THERE ARE SOME WHO REPRESENT THAT THE LOAD OF MATERIAL IS COMING ON THEIR RESIDENCE WHEN IT IS EVIDENT TO STAFF AND HISTORY WITH PEOPLE THAT ARE COMING IN EVERY WEEK WITH THEIR SLOWED AS THIS IS FOR A HOME AND THE REST OF THE WEEK IT IS A LOAD OF LIGHT MATERIAL ON THEIR BUSINESS. WE KNOW THERE IS OF THAT GOING ON. BUT AGAIN IT'S NOT WIDESPREAD.

THERE ARE THAT ARE DOING THAT. >> CHAIR: LOOKS LIKE 50 PERCENT OF THE VEHICLES GOING IN AND OUT, HALF OF THEM ARE RESIDENTS AND THE OTHER HALF ARE GARBAGE HAULERS, RIGHT?

>> SPEAKER: RIGHT. >> CHAIR: INSTEAD OF CUTTING THE POUNDS DOWNDOWN WHICH WE COULD DO THAT I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT ORIGINALY IT WAS IN PLACE WHEN WE PUT THE SYSTEM IN PLACE BECAUSE MOST PEOPLE OR A LOT OF FOLKS WERE TAKING THEIR GARBAGE DIRECTLY TO THE DUMP SO THIS WAS A WAY TO THEM OFF OF GOING TO THE DUMP EVERY WEEK AND GOING TO THE PAID ELECTION THAT THE COUNTY PUTTING.

I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH TIGHTENING UP A LITTLE BIT I WOULD HAVE A PROBLEM WITH JUST ELIMINATING IT.

IN CASES WHERE YOU ARE TAKING OUT A FENCE OR A TREE, I DON'T WANT TO WAIT TWO WEEKS TO GET THAT PICKED UP I WANTED OUT OF THERE. I WANT TO BE ABLE TO PUT IT IN A TRUCK AND DRIVE IT SOMEPLACE AND THIS IS A SERVICE TO OUR CUSTOMERS AND I THINK IT IS COSTING THEM IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF 200,000 PER YEAR? IS THAT WHAT THE NUMBER WAS? AND WE PAY THAT THE FAIRGROUNDS OPEN. GARBAGE IS A KEY THING.

I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH SUBSIDIZING, THAT.

AS FAR AS THE CHANGE, I DON'T THINK THE ANSWER, I THINK THE ANSWER IS WE SAW THAT WE WERE COLLECT THEM TOO MUCH MONEY AND RESIDENT DESERVE A BREAK BECAUSE WE WERE OVER COLLECT THING. SO, WE SHOULD FOLLOW WHAT THE COST WERE. AT THIS POINT IN TIME THE COSTS ARE GOING UP SO WE HAVE TO RAISE THE FEE.

I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT IN LESS YOU CAN GROUT A

WAY TO LOWER THE COST. >> SPEAKER: I EXPECT THAT THE RESULTS OF THE RFP ARE NOT GOING TO GET LOWER.

>> CHAIR: I AGREE. AT THE END OF THE DAY IF WERE PAYING $25 PER HOUR FOR ELECT OTHERS? B3 WE WERE PAYING 16 A YEAR AND HALF AGO.

>> CHAIR: I WOULD BE SURPRISED IF IT GOES UP TRIPLE FOR WHERE

WE ARE AT TODAY. >> COMMISSIONER: DON'T GIVE THEM AN IDEA. WHY WOULD WE?

>> CHAIR: THEY HAVE TO COVER THEIR LABOR COSTS.

>> COMMISSIONER: WHY WOULD WE SAY THAT YOU MET WE SAY THEY DID, TRIPLE THAT THEY WILL. WHEN ONE OPTION I KNOW I EXPRESSED THIS IS WAS IN A STUDY THAT WE OUGHT LOOK AT.

I AGREE WITH THAT. I THINK WE OUGHT TO AT LEAST TAKE A 5000 VIEW OF THIS THE HOW WE CAN GET INTO THIS

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DO WE HAVE MR. COUNTY MANAGER DO WE HAVE TRUCK DRIVERS THAT ARE EMPLOYED BY THE COUNTY? ARE WE HAVING A FULL SHORTAGE

OF THOSE GUYS? >> SPEAKER: IF ARE GOING TO TRY TO GET NEW ONES TO HIRE YES.

WE DEFINITELY HAVE A DRAIN ON THE NEW BUT WE HAVE VERY LOYAL TEAM MEMBERS AND EMPLOYEES WHO HAVE STUCK WITH THE COUNTY AND OBVIOUSLY BECAUSE THE BOARD AUTHORIZED OUR PLAN HERE OR AT MINIMUM WAGE AND THE ADJUSTMENT FOR THAT IN THE PLAN MOVING AHEAD OR THAT THAT HAS WORKED OUT AND THEY HAVEN'T GONE SOMEWHERE ELSE BUT EVEN LATELY TERESA IS HERE WE HAD AN OIL HAD A HIGHER OFFER WHO IS A VERY GOOD LEADER WITHIN PUBLIC WORKS AND WITH THAT WE ARE COMBATING THOSE PRESSURES OF PULLING OUR TEAM MEMBERS AWAY FOR MONEY.

I THINK WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS ON A COUPLE DIFFERENT WAYS SO, WE ARE NOT WE DON'T HAVE THE RELATIONSHIPS THAT ARE BUILT WITH THESE LAND WILLS. OTHER COMPANIES OUT THERE DO.

SECOND, THE EQUIPMENT IS HEALTH AND I THINK THIS IS WHY CHARLIE IS UP THERE, THEY CAN'T EVEN GET THE TRUCKS THERE WAS 1800 TRUCK AND THEY WERE ONLY ABLE TO GET SIX.

ANYBODY HAS GONE OUT THERE TO BUY A NEW VEHICLE, THE CAR LOT, THE VEHICLE WILL THAT RESOURCE IT ISN'T READILY AVAILABLE.

I ASKED CHARLIE TO TAKE A LOOK AT TRUCK AND THAT'S ANOTHER THING. IF ANYONE HAS GONE OUT BY A USED VEHICLE IS GONNA 30 PERCENT I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS THIS YEAR I HEARD IT WAS STARTING TO DROP SLIGHTLY AND THERE ARE NUMEROUS DOCTORS WITH THAT INTEREST RATE AND THAT PERSON'S BUYING NOT ONLY HOMES BUT ALSO VEHICLES IN THAT RATE THEY ARE BEING CHARGED. WE HAVE MANPOWER WE HAVE THE MINUTE AND WE'VE GOT WHERE ARE YOU GOING TO DISPOSE OF IT.

RIGHT? AND RIGHT NOW WE DISPOSE OF IT OUT OF COUNTY. AND, I'M NOT AT ALL SUGGESTING WE CHANGE THAT AT ALL. I THINK WITHIN THE RFP WE GET A COMPANY THAT IS WITH THAT PARTICULAR LAND WILL.

I REMEMBER ASKING CHARLIE, WHY CAN'T WE USE A LORD OUTLAND WILL WHAT ABOUT THE ONE SOUTH OR WEST OF US? THE COST WAS FOR TIME THE AMOUNT.

FOUR TIMES THE AMOUNT TO DROP OFF THE GARBAGE THERE AT THAT LAND WILL VERSUS GEORGIA HERE THE TRADE-OFF IS GAS.

THE GAS TO GET THE TRUCK TO THAT LANDFILL THAT IS FURTHER AWAY AND TIME. YES, SIR.

IT'S NOT JUST TH THING. IT IS VERY DYNAMIC.

I DID ASKED CHARLIE TO TAKE A LOOK AT MAYBE NOT THE WHOLE PICTURE BUT JUST THE RECYCLING PORTION IF YOU BROUGHT THAT IN-HOUSE OR THE YARD WASTE PORTION BRING THAT IN-HOUSE AND HOW WE WOULD DO THAT. FOR IN, THERE ARE SOME COUNTIES AND MUNICIPALITIES THAT COLLECT THE YARD WASTE.

RIGHT NOW WE COLLECT IT, THEY GRIND IT UP AND SHIP IT TO THE LANDFILL BECAUSE IT CHEAP TOP COVER FOR THEM.

HERE, IF WE GRIND IT UP OURSELVES AND OFFER THE

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>> SPEAKER: YES SIR, I DID ALL SERVICES.

IF YOU CONSIDER JUST TRUCKS AND DRIVERS AS ONE OF YOUR WAGES TO 36 AND $38 MILLION AND AS I MENTIONED TO YOU WHEN WE MET WITH YOU INDIVIDUALLY FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE AUDIENCE THERE ARE TWO BUCKETS OF IN THE FUND AND THAT'S CURBSIDE AND DISPOSAL SITE. THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE RESERVE THAT WE BEEN ABLE TO THE DISPOSAL SIDE BUT THEY CAN'T USED IN SIGHT. IF YOU TAKE THAT $38 MILLION AND YOU SEE THAT WE HAVE 174 TIMES, MILLION IN THE CURBSIDE THERE'S A LOT OF MONEY TO FINANCE THAT.

IF WE WERE TO TAKE ONE ELEMENT OR ONE COMPONENT SAY FOR EXAMPLE THE MANAGER JUST MENTIONED THE YARD WASTE.

THERE IS SOMETHING THAT WE COULD DO TO TAKE A STEP BACK AND MODIFY HOW WE DO BUSINESS. AS LONG AS THERE ARE PLASTIC BAGS FOR THAT WASTE THE WASTE IS UNUSABLE FOR ANYTHING OTHER THAN TOP COVER. THERE HAVE BEEN PROGRAMS IN THE PAST THAT WHEN A LIVED IN ALACHUA COUNTY THEY USE THE PAPER STOCK BAGS FOR YARD WASTE AND THEY ALSO, THE GUYS WHO WERE THROWING THE WASTE HAD HOPED MY SO THEY COULD CUT THE PLASTIC, EMPTYING INTO THE HOPPER AND EITHER TIE THE BAG UP OR RODE IN THE BACK HALF FOR THE RESIDENT TO DEAL WITH.

IF YOU DO THAT YOU CAN MAKE SOME DECENT MULCH.

THERE ARE A COUPLE OF THINGS WE COULD CONSIDER BUT THERE'S 67 COUNTIES IN FLORIDA AND ONLY ONE COUNTY IN FOREDECK, MIAMI-DADE DOES THEIR OWN COLLECTION SERVICE.

IT IS A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT STEP FOR US TO TAKE YOUR FESTA TAKE ONE COMPONENT TO BE THE YARD WASTE COMPONENT OR RECYCLING COMPONENT WE COULD LOOK AT THAT BUT IT IS GOING TO HAVE AN IMPACT ON OUR ABILITY TO GET THE FEE UP QUICKLY WHICH OCTOBER FOR ME IS LONGER THAN I WOULD LIKE TO SEE.

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT INTO AUGUST OR EARLY SEPTEMBER SO THEY HAVE TWO FULL YEARS TO GET THE TRUCKS THEY NEED FROM THE SUCCESSFUL BIDDER TO TAKE CARE OF OUR NEEDS.

>> CHAIR: YOU CAN GET THE RFP OUT WITHOUT ACTUALLY DOING IT

TO DEVELOP THE OTHER SCENARIOS? >> SPEAKER: YES SIR, WE CAN WORK TO PUT THE RFP TOGETHER WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT WE

HAVE PUT THAT TOGETHER. >> CHAIR: WELL, THIS IS I LIKE THE IDEA GOING WITH THE AUTOMATED TRUCK.

I THINK THAT IS A NO-BRAINER. AND, WHO RUNS THEM AGAIN THAT THE ISSUE. I AM PRETTY MUCH FINISHED FOR

THIS ROUND. >> SPEAKER: I HAVE ONE MORE POINT I WANT TO MAKE IS FACILITY REPAIRS ARE DEFERRED MAINTENANCE. DEFERRED CONSTRUCTION.

AND, STUDIES SHOW THAT AT 11 AND A HALF ALIEN AND BECAUSE OF OUR STRUCTURE WE AVOIDED COST TO THE CONSUMER 15 MILLION.

SO, YOU ARE GOING TO PAY IT ONE WAY OR ANOTHER AND QUITE HONESTLY RIGHT NOW IS THE WORST TIME TO BE IN CONSTRUCTION OR RENOVATION BUSINESS. SO, WHEN YOU TIE OUR HANDS WITH THESE IN THE UNAVAILABILITY OF MONEY IN RESERVE TO CONDUCT THE BUSINESS THAT YOU HAVE TO DO ANYWAY YOU REALLY LOSE.

SO, NOBODY LIKES TO BE IN THE POSITION BUT IT IS WHAT IT IS AND IT IS PREVALENT DROP THE WHOLE COUNTRY.

IT IS A COMMON THEME. YOU CAN'T RAISE ALL OF THE COST OF DOING BUSINESS WITHOUT RAISING THE FOR DOING BUSINESS SO, I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE TO SAY BUT PAY ME NOW OR PAY ME LATER IN HERE WE ARE AT 11 A HALF-MILLION DOLLAR DEFERRED MAINTENANCE WHEN WE SHOULD'VE BEEN DOING THE MAINTENANCE ALL ALONG WE JUST COULDN'T AFFORD TO DO IT I GUESS.

>> SPEAKER: ACTUALLY THE MAINTENANCE OF THE BUILDINGS WAS PART OF THE CONTRACT BY WASTE MANAGEMENT IN THE SUBCONTRACT. THEY ARE REQUIRED TO KEEP THE

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CILIA. >> COMMISSIONER: WASTE MANAGEMENT IN BEEN THE MONEY TO MAINTAIN IT.

[BLEEP] DEE. >> SPEAKER: WHAT I'M SAYING IS ANY DAMAGE THAT WAS TO BE PAID FOR WAS TO BE PAID BY THE

SUBCONTRACTOR. >> CHAIR: THE UPGRADE IS THERE RESPONSIBILITY AS WELL? YES.

TO STATE LINES. >> CHAIR: AS THE SOONER WE

SHOULD VOTE. >> COMMISSIONER: SOME OF THESE THINGS THEY REPAIR AND THE REPAIRS HAVE NOT OCCURRED IN HERE IS MY THING AND IT IS INCIDENT BECAUSE A LOT OF RECOMMENDATIONS PROPORTIONATELY AFFECT THE RESIDENTS IN MY DISTRICT BECAUSE THREE OF THE ECC ARE LOCATED IN MY DISTRICT SO YOU'RE GOING TO RAISE THE RATE STOP SOME OF THEIR SERVICES AND THEN TAKE AWAY ANY CONVENIENT? THAT'S A BIG DEAL. THEY ARE PAYING FOR GAS.

SO, I LIVE IN THE MOST ECONOMICALLY DISADVANTAGED PART OF THE COUNTY AND RESIDENTS OF MY PART OF THE COUNTY HAVE THE DRIVE TO GO ANYWHERE. MOST OF THEM HAVE TO DRIVE TO GO TO WORK. HAVE TO DRIVE TO TAKE THE KIDS TO SCHOOL OR HAVE THE SCHOOL BUS PICKED THEM UP BUT THE TIME THAT THE SCHOOL BUS THEM UP THE CHILD HAS TO STAY HOME ALONE TO GET THE SCHOOL BUS OF THE PARENT CAN GO TO WORK AND GAS RISES ARE THROUGH THE ROOF. AN HOUR GOING TO RAISE THE RATE IN TAKE AWAY ANY CONVENIENT THAT THEY HAD TO THAT THEY DIDN'T GET PICKED UP AT CURBSIDE TO THE CENTER AND WERE GOING TO CHARGE THEM FOR THAT, TOO: AND THEN MEANWHILE WE ARE REDUCING THE AMOUNT THAT THEY CAN PUT OUT FOR THEIR TRASH IN THE CART? WE HAVE SAID THAT THE CART ARE NOT CONVENIENT. WE TEAR UP THEIR PRIVATE ROAD THE TRASH TRUCK GOING DOWN THE SO THEY HAVE TO PAY MORE MONEY TO FIX THEIR OWN ROAD IN THE ADD TO THAT THE FACT THAT WE HAVE THE MOST CODE ENFORCEMENT CASES IN OUR DISTRICT.

I AM FIGHTING THIS BATTLE OF TRYING TO GET, WE DID A LEAN UP THAT YOU ALL HELP WITH PLAYED YOU TO FULL AND THE FUNDS WERE USED IN ONE LENA IN KEYSTONE HEIGHTS AND WHAT, 6000 POUNDS OF TIRES WERE PULLED OFF? IN THAT EVENT THEY FOUND OUT THAT THERE RESIDENT WHO ARE BEARING THEIR TRASH NOT KNOWING THEY HAD RESIDENTIAL TRASH PICKUP.

I THINK THE EDUCATION OF PEOPLE MOVING INTO THE COUNTY MAYBE BE IMPROVED TO SAY WE DO OFFER TRASH PICKUP.

IF YOU RENT FROM SOMEONE AND THE OWNER OF THE RESIDENT PAYS THE FEE IN THEIR PROPERTY TAX THEY NEVER TELL THE RENTER THAT THERE IS TRASH PICKUP IN THE TRASH, THE RENTER IS TRYING TO MAINTAIN LIFE, THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO WITH THEIR TRASH SO THESE RENTERS WERE BURYING IT. I KNOW THAT IS ONLY ONE NEIGHBORHOOD BUT THAT NEIGHBORHOOD MATTERS AND IT IS ONE OF OUR CBG NEIGHBORHOODS AND THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT I AM TRYING TO VALANCE WHEN I ALSO HAVE RESIDENT CALLING ME AND HERE IS THE REALITY. TODAY WASTE MANAGEMENT STOCK IS TRADING AT $20 A SHARE THAN IT WAS ONE YEAR AGO AND THEY POSTED RECORD PROFIT. WE ARE TRYING TO BALANCE THE SERVICE ASPECT FOR OUR RESIDENTS WITH USING A COMPANY THAT IS A FREE MARKET AND YOU WON'T FIND SOMEBODY MORE CAPITALISTIC THAN ME BUT THAT IS THE BALANCE FOR OUR RESIDENT AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE RIGHT ANSWER IS BUT IT IS NOT GOOD NEWS FOR ANY RESIDENT. IT JUST SEEMS LIKE EVERY TIME WE TALK ABOUT WASTE WE ARE THROWING ONE MORE PUNCH AT OUR RESIDENT AND I DON'T KNOW. IT SOUNDS LIKE SOME DECISIONS HAVE ALREADY BEEN DECIDED. BUT, IT IS ALL DISTASTE WILL TO ME AND I THINK IT WOULD BE BETTER RECEIVED FROM A RESIDENT IF WE PROVIDED SERVICE OURSELVES WITHIN AT LEAST WE ARE NOT TRYING TO MAKE A PROFIT.

>> CHAIR: IS EASY TO TALK ABOUT PROBLEMS AND BLAME SOMEONE ELSE BUT LET'S NOW MOVE TO THE PHASE OF FIGURING OUT

WHAT WERE GOING TO DO. >> COMMISSIONER: THE DEAL WITH YARD WASTE AND DROPPING OFF AT ROSEMARY HILL I DON'T HAVE TO USE IT VERY OFTEN AT ALL BUT WHEN I NEED IT I NEED IT AND I DON'T KNOW ABOUT ANYBODY ELSE BUT MY NEIGHBORHOOD, THERE'S NOT A WHOLE BUNCH OF YARD WASTE OUT.

IT EVERY NOW AND THEN. BUT, WE AREN'T USING IT AT ALL

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>> COMMISSIONER: I FOR ONE, USE A LOT I'M ALWAYS DOING SOMETHING WHERE I HAVE A BUNCH OF JUNK TO GET RID OF OR HAVE A TREE I HAVE TO MOVE AND QUITE HONESTLY I DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW TO CALL AND HAVE SOMEONE COME OVER WITH A SPECIAL PICKUP TO GET IT OFF OF MY PROPERTY I WOULD JUST ASSUME TAKE IT IN MY PICKUP TRUCK AND TAKE IT OVER THERE.

I WOULD NOT VOTE FOR ANYTHING THAT WOULD ELIMINATE THAT I WILL SAY THAT. SO, AT THE SAME TIME WE HAVE TO DECIDE YOUR LET'S TALK ABOUT THIS ISSUE.

WE HAVE TO DECIDE DO WE WANT TO CONTINUE IT? AND IF NOT WHAT DO WE PUT IN PLACE? LIKE IT'S ONE THING TO COMPLAIN ABOUT THE AND IT'S OUR JOB TO LET'S TALK ABOUT THAT AND COME UP WITH A NEW POLICY.

FROM WHERE I AM COMING FROM I WANT TO CONTINUE IT IT COSTING THE COUNTY $200,000 A YEAR TO PROVIDE THAT SERVICE TO OUR CONSTITUENT. NOT EVERYBODY IS USING IT AS MUCH TO THAT EXTENT AND I WOULDN'T MIND CUTTING IT BACK BUT I DON'T WANT TO STOP IT COMPLETELY.

THAT IS MY POSITION. >> COMMISSIONER: I WOULD AGREE. CUT BACK.

>> COMMISSIONER: HOW DO YOU KNOW THERE'S ABUSERS.

HOW DO YOU KNOW SOMEONE IS ABUSING THE POLICY?

SPEE>> SPEAKER: WE CAN SEE THE TYPE OF MATERIAL THAT IS IS A GOOD IDEA THERE'S MATERIAL THAT IS NORMALLY GENERATED FROM A HOME OR GENERATED FROM A JOB OR A PROJECT.

YOU KNOW, SOMEONE COMES IN EVERY WEEK EVERY MONDAY AND TUESDAY LOAD IS FROM THEIR BUSINESS.

THIS IS WHAT LEAD TO THAT. AGAIN, WE CAN CERTAINLY COME BACK WITH A IDEA ON WHETHER IT IS MORE EXPOSURE TO ALTER THE VOLUME LIMIT THAT WOULD BE OF SOME HELP AND WE WOULD STILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR RESIDENT TO COME IN AND UTILIZE IT FOR THEIR EVERY SO OFTEN PROJECT OR HOUSEHOLD GARDEN THE MUSIC FOR THEIR HOUSEHOLD GARBAGE.

THEY LIKE DOING IT THEMSELVES INSTEAD OF TAKING IT TO THE

CURB. >> COMMISSIONER: HAVE WE CONSIDERED OFFERING FOR SMALL BUSINESS OR NONPROFITS TO PAY THE SAME AS RESIDENTIAL IN THEIR PROPERTY TAX BILL AND PUT OUT THE SAME AMOUNT AS THE RESIDENT? THE REASON I ASKED IS BECAUSE I KNOW.

I HAVE HAD SEVERAL SMALL CHURCHES TELL ME THAT THEY DO.

THEY DO HAVE RESIDENTS WHO TAKE CHURCHES TRASH WHICH IS LIKE ONE KITCHEN TRASH BAG ON A SUNDAY MORNING AND THEY TAKE IT HOME AND PUT IT IN THEIR REGULAR TRASH.

BECAUSE IT IS EXTREMELY EXPENSIVE TO HAVE A COMMERCIAL PICKUP AT THEIR CHURCH AND THEY DON'T OFFER TO PUSH A CAN BY THE ROAD AND BE PICKED UP. I THINK ABOUT THAT FOR SMALL BUSINESSES, TO AND I'M NOT SUGGESTING THAT WE OPEN IT UP UNLIMITED OR THEY CAN PUT OUT AS MUCH TRASH AS THEY WANT BUT I WONDER WOULD WE HAVE LESS OF TECHNICALLY IT IS ABUSE, TECHNICALLY IT IS ILLEGAL DUMPING, WOULD WE HAVE LESS OF THAT IF WE OFFER THAT SERVICE IN THE PROPERTY TAX BILL OF THE

BUSINESSES? >> SPEAKER: LET ME ANSWER TO THAT. FOR ONE, I DON'T IT WOULD AFFECT THOSE, I'M GOING TO SAY A HANDYMAN TYPE OF BUSINESS OR A LAWNCARE TYPE OF BUSINESS HOWEVER, WE DO HAVE COMMERCIAL

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DOES EXIST. >> COMMISSIONER: IN OUR EDUCATION CAMPAIGN THROUGH THAT AND THAT IS NEWS TO ME.

WE CAN COMMUNICATE WITH SOME CHURCHES WHO HAD TOLD ME THAT THEY ARE "ABUSING THE SYSTEM " BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE A BETTER OPTION TODAY SO THAT MIGHT HELP TO HOW ABOUT HUNDRED POUND MONTH? WOULD THAT GET YOU TO WHERE YOU

NEED TO BE? >> SPEAKER: IT WOULD CERTAINLY HELP. DUE TO HOW DO WE TIGHTEN THIS UP SO THAT RESIDENTS COMING THROUGH THEIR?

>> SPEAKER: THOSE WHO PLAY THE SYSTEM WILL CONTINUE TO DO SO.

I DON'T THINK WE ARE GOING TO NECESSARILY ELIMINATE THAT BUT WE CAN EMIT IT WHICH BASICALLY IT IS 100 POUNDS A WEEK.

>> COMMISSIONER: WHAT IF WE LIMIT THE TIME THEY CAN DROP IT AT OR CLOCK IN THE AFTERNOON OR BUSINESS IT WOULD BE A PAIN IN THE NECK WOULDN'T? RESIDENTS ARE GETTING HOME AT

NIGHT OR ON WEEKENDS. >> SPEAKER: IF WE SET A CERTAIN TIME THEN WE START LINING PEOPLE UP AT THAT TIME AND I CAN SEE THAT BEING PROBLEMATIC.

>> COMMISSIONER: AS WELL AS TURNING PEOPLE AWAY THAT COME

OUT IN THE SCOPE OF THE HOURS? >> SPEAKER: IT DEPENDS ON WHAT

DAY. >> CHAIR: WHEN I DRIVE IN THERE'S USUALLY ONE OR TWO CARS IN FRONT OF ME BUT IT DOESN'T TAKE LONG. DOESN'T APPEAR TO BE A TRAFFIC JAM. I'VE BEEN THERE.

>> SPEAKER: I THINK THE EQUIVALENT OF 100 VERSUS 500 WILL ALLOW FOLKS TO BRING STUFF BUT IT WILL CERTAINLY LIMIT THE IMPACT OF ANY ABUSE AND LOWER THE COST OF THAT.

P>> CHAIR: LET'S TALK ABOUT TH RATE PEERED WHEN YOU GO OVER THAT 500 POUNDS OR WHATEVER IT IS THE RATE IS NOT TERRIBLE, IS

IT? >> SPEAKER: NUMBER WE ARE VERY COMPETITIVE WE ARE CHEAPER THAN MOST AROUND US EVEN WITH AN INCREASE WE WILL BE CHEAPER. I TAKE DOWN A TREE AND HAVE TO DO IT ALL AT ONE AND WE DO THAT ONE TIME PER YEAR I WOULD PREFER TO SAY ALL RIGHT 500 POUNDS PER YEAR, PER MONTH,

SOME LIKE THAT. >> CHAIR: LED US AS A STAFF LOOK AT THE SCALE SYSTEM AND WE CAN REPORT BACK A COUPLE OF

OPTIONS. >> SPEAKER: WE CAN RECONSIDER THE TIMING THE 4:00 DUMPS. THERE ARE TWO TIMES A DAY WHEN THE COMMERCIAL TRUCK COME IN AND THAT MIDMORNING AND MIDAFTERNOON. I CAN'T HELP BUT THINK WE WILL SEE SOME IRATE FOLKS COMING IN IN AN HOUR.

>> COMMISSIONER: WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO LIMIT THE ABUSE.

HOWEVER, THIS WEEKENDS WE HAVE TO COME UP WITH SOME IDEAS.

I DON'T WANT TO ELIMINATE IT, PERIOD, BUT I HAVE TO COME UP WITH SOME RESTRICTION TO GET YOU WHERE YOU NEED TO BE AND WHAT IS YOUR PROBLEM? $200,000 PER YEAR OR IS IT

CONGESTION AT THE FACILITY? >> SPEAKER: IT IS BOTH.

IT IS A COMBINATION. WE CAN LIMIT COSTS WHERE WE CAN BECAUSE OF THE INCREASES THAT ARE COMING OR UPON A.

ALSO, THE CONGESTION LEADS TO OTHER ISSUES LIKE LONG WAITS FOR COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL FOR AND THAT EQUALS

SAFETY CONCERNS. >> SPEAKER: MR. CHAIR I AM

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>> SPEAKER: WE WILL WORK WITH STAFF WHAT WORKS BEST.

>> CHAIR: REMEMBER WE STILL HAVE THE ECC WHICH IS BY VOLUME AND THERE'S NO CHARGE THERE AT ALL.

IN KEYSTONE YOU KEYSTONE AND YOU HAVE ONE IN CLAY HILL AND ROSEMARY. IF YOU HAVE THOSE THREE AREAS YOU CAN REALLY TAKE QUITE A BIT IN IT AND STILL -

>> CHAIR: IS THREE TIMES THE NUMBER HE MET.

>> COMMISSIONER: I HAVE ANOTHER.

YOU SAY THE ATTENDANT, THERE CAN BE THAT MANY THAT DO IT THE ONES THAT DO IT CAN THEY NOTE WHO IS DOING IT AND SEND A LETTER TO THEM? SOME IN? I KNOW THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE TO PAY NOW.

THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PROVE IT AND ALL THAT STUFF.

>> SPEAKER: IT PUTS THE ATTENDANT ON THE LINE.

IF THEY ARE CALLING SOMEONE A LIAR AND THAT NATURE IT IS IN OUR INTEREST TO NOT CHALLENGE THAT TO THE DEGREE AND BY THE TIME IT COMES AROUND YOU HAVE CREATED THIS HOSTILE INTERACTION. YOU KNOW, THE ONE WHO ARE ABUSING KNOW THEY ARE ABUSING AND THEY WILLFULLY ABUSE IT.

>> COMMISSIONER: AND NOW THEY WILL HAVE A.

>> CHAIR: IF WE LIMIT IT TO THREE TIMES AND THEN AN ESCALATING COST IT IS ABOUT FIVE TIMES THE COMMERCIAL RATE.

THAT WOULD STOP THE COMMERCIAL PEOPLE?

>> SPEAKER: IT WOULD BE THE GATE RATE.

>> CHAIR: IS THAT COMMERCIAL RATE?

WE DON'T - >> CHAIR: WHEN IT LOOKS LIKE THAT NO LIMIT ON AND WE CAN GO AND COME BACK IN TWO WEEKS.

RIGHT? THE NEXT CRITICAL THING I THINK IS WHAT DO WE DO WITH THE SERVICE GOING FORWARD? WE HAVE ALL THE OPTIONS ON THE TABLE.

I LIKE THE ONE WE HAVE RIGHT NOW WHERE WE CONTINUE TO RECYCLE AND WE BRING IN THE STUFF TO THE DROP OFF POINT.

WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH PEOPLE RIGHT NOW TO TURN THE OTHER SERVICE BACK ON. I'M TIRED OF LISTENING TO EXCUSES THAT WE ARE GOING TO HAVE IT TOMORROW AND IT HASN'T HAPPENED. THAT'S WHERE I'M COMING FROM.

I THINK THAT IS OPTION NUMBER 2.

RIGHT? >> SPEAKER: OPTION NUMBER 2 WOULD BE A SLIGHT DICTATION OF WHAT WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW AND WE WOULD BASICALLY BE RESIGNING OURSELVES STAYING IN THAT MODE THROUGH THE CONTACT PERIOD AND WASTE MANAGEMENT AND RETURN -

>> CHAIR: I'M TIRED OF TELLING MY PEOPLE IT'S GOING TO BE BETTER TOMORROW. IT HASN'T HAPPENED.

>> COMMISSIONER: I HAD ANOTHER COMMENTS ABOUT RECYCLING HERE TALKING ABOUT PARTICIPATION PEERED PEOPLE IN LAKE AS VERY, MY SISTER-IN-LAW IS ONE OF HER MOTHER PEOPLE THEY'VE GIVEN UP BECAUSE THEY'RE CONSTANTLY LIKE YOU CAN'T DO THAT, YOU CAN'T DO THAT. WE HAVE TO EDUCATE THEM OR SOME AND THEY JUST GIVE UP AND IT JUST LIKE OKAY IT'S ALL GOING IN THE GARBAGE, EVERY SINGLE TIME.

>> COMMISSIONER: THE PEOPLE THAT ARE INTO THIS AND DROP IT

POFF - >> COMMISSIONER: I'M JUST

TALKING ABOUT- >> CHAIR: I HEAR YOU I WOULD JUST LIKE TO THROW IT AWAY, THAT.

>> COMMISSIONER: DON'T THEY THAT.

>> CHAIR: THAT IS ONE BENEFIT OF STARTING A NEW CONTRACT.

THAT IS THE PERFECT OPPORTUNITY TO TO EDUCATE ON THE ENTIRE SYSTEM AND CERTAINLY ANY PART OF THAT RECYCLE LAYING THE WAY TO RECYCLE RIGHT, WHAT ITEMS CAN WE ELECT CURBSIDE? A LOT OF PEOPLE DO WHAT WE ARE CALLING IN THE INDUSTRY WISH CYCLING. EVEN THOUGH THEY CAN BE RECYCLED SOMEWHERE LIKE PASTA BAG.

YOU CAN TAKE THEM BACK THE GROCERY STORES AND THEY ARE RECYCLED JUST CAN'T DO THAT THROUGH A CURBSIDE ELECTION

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IT IS DELIVERED DIRECT TO THE HOUSEHOLD RATHER THAN MAIL THAT

GOES TO THE PROPERTY OWNER. >> COMMISSIONER: AS FAR AS PARTICIPATION IT NOT BEING HIGH BUT THERE ARE REASONS FOR THAT.

>> CHAIR: GOING FORWARD WHAT DO WE TELL THEM TO DO BETWEEN NOW AND 2020 OR WHEN THE NEW CONTRACT START?

>> COMMISSIONER: CAN I ASK A POINT OF ORDER HOW DO WE MAKE

THESE DECISIONS AT A WORKSHOP? >> CHAIR: WE CAN GIVE THEM DIRECTION AS WE ARE DOING IT. YOU WILL GET A CHANCE TO VOTE

ON IT. >> COMMISSIONER: I THINK THAT IS SPLITTING HAIRS. WE ARE BEING ASKED TO MAKE A DECISION AND THAT'S ABOUT AND IT NEEDS BE ADVERTISED AT THE 4:00 MEETING. TO EXPECT RESIDENTS TO COME AND WATCH A WORKSHOP AT 9:00 IN THE MORNING?

I DON'T KNOW. >> COMMISSIONER: NOTHING EVER HAPPENED IF YOU DON'T STAND UP AND SAY WHAT YOU WANT.

>> COMMISSIONER: I WOULD LIKE TO VOTE AT A MEETING ON THESE THINGS THAT ARE RECOMMENDED WHERE RESIDENTS CAN COME AND GIVE THEIR OPINION BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WE HAD ZERO COMMENTS ZERO OPPORTUNITY FOR RESIDENTS TO DIGEST ANYTHING THAT HAS BEEN SAID TODAY AND COME BACK TO US AND WE REPRESENT THE PEOPLE. WE ARE ELECTED TO REPRESENT THEM, NOT WHAT WE WANT BUT WHAT OUR CAN DO WITH WHAT AND I CAN'T MAKE - ONE OF THESE ON HERE IS ECC IS CLOSING THREE ECC AND THREE OF THE FOUR ARE IN MY DISTRICT.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE RESIDENTS WANT.

MAYBE THEY ARE OKAY WITH IT. MAYBE IT'S NOT WELL UTILIZED.

TO BE THE ONE IN LONG BAY IN DISTRICT 4 IS MORE UTILIZED IN FROM DISTRICT TO OR DISTRICT 5. I DON'T KNOW BUT I DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE TO MAKE DECISIONS ON THIS.

FOR INSTANCE WE HAVE RATE ADJUSTMENT THERE IS A RATE PROPOSAL OF $20 FOR A PROPOSAL TO PUT RATE OF 1856 PER YEAR BUT WE DON'T HAVE A RECOMMENDATION RECYCLING.

WE COULD END UP SCHOOLING UP OUR RESIDENT TO GET ALL BENT OUT OF SHAPE BECAUSE WE ARE RAISING THE RATE BUT WERE GOING TO GIVE THEM A CREDIT FOR $20? OR ARE WE NOT EATING THE CREDIT? IT IS NOT ME BEING DIFFICULT.

IT'S NOT HAVING FEEDBACK FROM THE PEOPLE I REPRESENT.

>> CHAIR: OKAY. COMMISSIONER? HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT THE OPTIONS GOING FORWARD FOR 2024?

WITH WASTE MANAGEMENT? >> COMMISSIONER: I AM IN FAVOR OF OPTION NUMBER 2 BUT I DO WANT TO BRING ONE THING TO LIKE AND THAT'S PLASTIC BAGS AND THE FACT THAT IN YARD WASTE PLASTIC BAGS ARE DETRIMENTAL TO REUSE. WHAT ABOUT ADDING PAPER BAGS.

LOWE'S SELLS THEM ALL THE TIME AND HOME DEPOT SELLS THEM AS WELL TO MAKE THAT A REQUIREMENT FOR ANY YARD WASTE, TO ADD THAT

GOING FORWARD. >> SPEAKER: WE COULD COORDINATE THAT WITH THE CURRENT HOLLER OR THE NEXT

HOLLER. >> CHAIR: I THINK THAT SHOULD

BE IN THE NEXT RFP. >> SPEAKER: YES SIR, WE CAN DO

THAT. >> COMMISSIONER: I CAME IN AFTER LOOKING AT THE BRIEF AND TALKING WITH ELTON AND CHARLIE THAT WE HAD NO REAL CHOICE IN TERMS OF WHERE WE WENT WITH RECYCLING BECAUSE QUITE HONESTLY WE ARE TOLD TO WASTE MANAGEMENT THAT WE HAVE HIRED ENOUGH PEOPLE AND WE COULD RENEW THE RECYCLING. AND WE JUST HIRED THREE THAT ARE BEING TRAINED AND WE GOT NEW OFFERS OUT AND NOW WE ARE LOOKING FOR THREE OR FOUR MORE NOW WE HAVE TO START RECYCLING AGAIN? I'M NOT SURE IF I WANT TO GIVE

UP ON THAT YET. >> COMMISSIONER: STATUS QUO

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I THINK WE THE CONSTITUENTS MAY THINK THAT'S THE PATH WE WENT DOWN SPEND THE RECYCLING AND I THINK WE NEED TO CONTINUE TO DO THAT IN AN EFFORT TO RESTART THAT WITH THE RF HE AND DO

WHATEVER IT IS WE WANT TO DO. >> CHAIR: OKAY.

I WASN'T SURE IF I GOT AN OPTION FROM YOU COMMISSIONER

KRISTEN BURKE. >> COMMISSIONER: I FEEL LIKE WE ARE BACKED INTO A CORNER. COMMISSIONER BETSY CONDON, I WOULD DEFINITELY LIKE TO KNOW HE PULLS OPINION AND I THINK WE WILL HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY BUT I FEEL LIKE WE HAVE TO TELL STAFF SOME. OPTION NUMBER 2 SEEMS TO WHAT WE ARE BACK INTO RIGHT NOW BUT I WOULD LIKE LOOK AT THAT BECAUSE AT A CERTAIN POINT WE WILL SAY LOOK, HE DRIVERS YOU HAVE TO HAVE NOW. CAN WE KEEP THAT AVAILABLE FOR

THE CHURCH, THE NEAR CHURCH? >> CHAIR: HOW DO WE SET THIS UP SO THAT THERE'S NO GOING HIRED THE DRIVERS TO WORK THE

PROGRAM? >> SPEAKER: IT IS A MODIFIED OPTION TWO. IF THEY CAN FULFILL THE PROJECT AS WRITTEN AND AS AGREED UPON WE CAN MAKE THAT DECISION WITH THE GARMENT DILLY ENVIRONMENTAL CONDITIONS AND WHEN THEY OCCUR WITH THE DRIVERS AND TRUCK. AND REALLY, IN ESSENCE WHAT WE ARE SAYING IS STAYING THE WORST IS THE OPTION THAT WAS PRESENTED A MONTH AGO AND WE CAN CONTINUE TO DO THAT.

AND, YOU KNOW, WE ARE RECOMMENDING OPTION NUMBER 2 BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S GOING TO BE A VERY LONG TIME THAT WE ARE ABLE TO GET BACK TO IT.

BUT MAYBE THAT IS CHANGING? SO, AT THIS POINT IN TIME WE WILL JUST CONTINUE WHAT WE ARE DOING AND GET A MONTHLY REPORT FROM WASTE MANAGEMENT AS FAR AS DRIVER STATUS.

IN CONTINUE WITH OUR MESSAGE AND WHEN WE GET STARTED WITH WASTE MANAGEMENT WE HAVE ENOUGH TO DO SO.

THE TWO WOULD WE LOOK AT AN EVERY OTHER WEEK RECYCLE IF WE WERE ABLE TO GET ENOUGH DRIVERS?

>> COMMISSIONER: THIS WOULD BE RETURNING TO WHAT WE ORIGINALLY

HAD. >> SPEAKER: IF I MAY, TO BE CLEAR I DON'T WANT EVERYONE TO GET OVERLY OPTIMISTIC ON THE DRIVERS THAT WE HAVE HAVE DILLY HIRED.

WE HAVE FIVE OFFERS OUT THEY HAVEN'T STARTED, THEY HAVE ACCEPTED THAT NOT YET STARTED. I WANT TO CAUTION PEOPLE ACROSS OUR INDUSTRY WE SEE A GREATER THAN TWO PERCENT TURNOVER RATE IN ANY NEW HIRE IN THE FIRST YEAR.

THAT SORT OF CONSIDERATION FOR ALL FOLKS WE HAVE OFFERS OUT TO TODAY. WHAT I WOULD ALSO COMMENT IS THE CURRENT STAFF AT CLAY COUNTY MORE THAN HALF OF THEM ARE WITH US LESS IN A YEAR AND HAVE NOT GONE THROUGH A SUMMER YET. IF YOU HAVEN'T GONE THROUGH A SUMMER IN THE WASTE BUSINESS YOU HAVEN'T LIVED.

MY CONCERN IS THAT NOT ONLY THE NEW HIRES THAT ARE STARTING NOW OR WILL SOON BE IN TRAINING MAY NOT MAKE IT.

PHYSICALLY TOO HARD. WE HAVE THE MONEY RIGHT IT'S A WELL-PAYING JOB WITH FANTASTIC AND IF IT PUSHING $100,000 PER YEAR TO BE A DRIVE TRUCK ILLEGALLY ORBITS TRUCK DRIVER IN THE FIRST YEAR FOR BENEFITS WE PAY FOR YOU, YOUR SPOUSE AND YOUR BUILDING. IT CAN WILL BE TOO HARD PHYSICALLY FOR PEOPLE TO DO TO GET UP EVERY MORNING AT 5 AM AND WORK GARBAGE TRUCK FOR 12 HOURS IN THE HEAT.

AS OPTIMISTIC AS WE ARE WITH OUR RECENT HIRES AND WAGES WE WILL SEE TURNOVER OUT OF THE CURRENT DOCK THAT ARE TRAINING.

ONE THING I GUESS I WOULD MENTION TO REMIND EVERYONE BETWEEN OPTION NUMBER 1 AND OPTION NUMBER 2, TODAY DURING OPTION NUMBER 1 WE ARE CURRENTLY NOT CHARGING PER HOME. THAT IS $130 PER MONTH THAT WE ARE NOT CHARGING THE COUNTY. WE ARE ALSO SERVICING THE DROP-OFF CENTERS FREE OF CHARGE.

THERE'S NO CHANGE FOR THAT. AGAIN, WE UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS OUR ISSUE AND WERE TRYING TO DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO MITIGATE THAT THEY WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE NEED THAT THERE. THE OTHER POINT WITH OPTION NUMBER 2 IF WE MADE THE DECISION FOR THE REMAINDER OF THIS CONTRACT YEARS STAY WITH THE DROP-OFF CENTER WASTE

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WE DON'T HAVE STAFF TO RUN THE RECYCLE TRUCKS AND THERE ARE 12 OR 13 TRUCKS SITTING IN OUR YARD THAT ARE NOT RUNNING.

IF HE MADE THAT DECISION WE COULD USE THOSE TRUCK ELSEWHERE IN THE COMPANY AND THEN OFFER A $0.50 PER HOME OR $30,000 PER

MONTH DISCOUNT. >> COMMISSIONER: CAN'T WE JUST

TELL US TRUCK? >> COMMISSIONER: MR. CHAIR FIND IT INTERESTING THAT WE HAVE ENOUGH DRIVERS AND HAVE TO USE IT SOMEWHERE ELSE BUT WE CAN'T FIND THE DRIVERS AND STUFF HERE? THE TRUCKS WILL BE USED AS REPLACE AND. THEY WOULD BE USED IT'S A FOUR-YEAR-OLD TRUCK THAT WE WOULD PROBABLY REPLACE A 12-YEAR-OLD TRUCK THAT WOULD BE RETIRED DOWN THE ROAD.

SOMETHING ELSE THAT WE MADE CLEAR OPTION NUMBER 5 IS THE CONVERSATION AROUND TO MOVING TO AUTOMATED SERVICES OF YOUR 70,000 RESIDENT FOR GARBAGE. WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT PLY CHAIN ISSUES AND WE INITIATE FULLY INITIALLY EXPECTED THOSE TRUCKS TO BE UP IN JUNE AND WE EXPECTED AND AUGUST START AND THEY ARE SAYING THOSE TRUCKS WILL ARRIVE TO US AT THE END OF AUGUST WITH THE NOVEMBERS ART AND TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT THE CONCERN IS THAT'S A LOT OF CHANGE FOR THE COUNTY TO BUY 50,000 CAR TO CHANGE TO GARBAGE CART IS TO MOVE YOU BACK BINS TO CURBSIDE RECYCLING ON A MONTHLY BASIS NOT WE LEAVE. WE WERE PROPOSING AN EVERY OTHER WEEK SERVICE WITH SIGNIFICANTLY MORE LIMITED YARD SERVICE AS A COLLECTION FOR THAT.

I WANTED TO MAKE IT CLEAR THAT IT IS STILL ON THE TABLE BUT WOULD NOT BE AVAILABLE IN AUGUST IT WOULD BE A NOVEMBER START. TO THEIR POINT IF MY UNDERSTANDING IS CORRECT EVEN DOING THAT COUNTY LOOKS TO RUN OUT OF MONEY WITHIN THAT FUND BEFORE THE END OF THE TWO-YEAR

PERIOD. >> CHAIR: WE WILL GET TO THAT AND WHAT I'M HEARING FROM MIKE AND MY FELLOW WIZARD IS THAT WE WANT TO CONTINUE THE CONTRACT AS IT WAS ORIGINALLY DESIGNED AND THEN WE WILL GO BACK TO PICK UP.

UNTIL WE GET THERE WE WILL CONTINUE WHAT WE ARE DOING RIGHT NOW WHICH IS THE DROP-OFF CENTER.

>> COMMISSIONER: CAN WE NOT DO A MINIMUM OF EVERY OTHER WEEK IS THAT NOT SOMETHING THAT IS POSSIBLE WITH WHAT YOU HAVE? THREE NOT TODAY. WE COULD LOOK AT THAT EVERY OTHER WEEK BEEN SERVICE THAT IS SOMETHING WE COULD PROPOSE THAT IF THAT ALLOWED US TO START BACK SOON.

>> COMMISSIONER: WHERE WOULD WE NOT GET SOMETHING FROM IF WE DID THAT? WOULD WE HAVE TO CUT BACK ON YARD WASTE? WHAT WOULD HAPPEN THERE?

>> SPEAKER: I WOULD NOT SUGGEST CUTTING BACK ON YARD WASTE THIS TIME OF YEAR WE WOULD HAVE TWO OFFSET WE WOULD HAVE CLOSE THE RECYCLE DROP CENTERS IF WE WERE TO REENTER

ANY AND CURBSIDE. >> COMMISSIONER: I THINK THAT'S UNDERSTANDABLE BUT THE QUESTION WOULD BE AT WHAT LEVEL OF PERSONNEL WHICH YOU NEED TO BE AT TO DO EVERY OTHER WEEK? SO WE WOULDN'T ALL BEHIND ON THAT.

IT WOULD BE WE ALL REMEMBER A YEAR OR SO AGO WHEN WE HAD THE YARDLEY SITUATION AND THAT'S UNTENABLE TO GO BACK TO.

WE TOO I STILL HAVE A LOT OF THAT.

THERE ARE PERMANENT RIGHTS THAT ARE STAYING OPEN.

YOU SAY WERE GETTING RID OF THEM BUT THERE ARE PERMANENT SITE THAT WILL BE STAYING OPEN. THERE ARE TEMPORARY AND

PERMANENT SITE. >> COMMISSIONER: I DON'T WANT TO CONFUSE THESE WITH THE DROP-OFF CENTERS.

THIS WOULD BE THE TEMPORARY RECYCLING CENTER.

>> COMMISSIONER: NO, THERE ARE TEMPORARY SITES AND PERMANENT

FOR RECYCLING, CORRECT? >> SPEAKER: THE TEMPORARY SITES ARE ONCE WE ESTABLISHED AND THE PERMANENCE ARE THE ECC.

>> COMMISSIONER: OKAY, GOTCHA. >> COMMISSIONER: WE WOULD CONTINUE TO KEEP THOSE OPEN AS WE HAVE CURBSIDE PICKUP THAT WOULD BE MY UNDERSTANDING WAS GOING TO ASK WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A TEMPORARY AND PERMANENT SITE.

AT THIS POINT I DON'T SEE THAT MUCH DIFFERENT.

>> COMMISSIONER: WE WOULDN'T NEED THAT SITE IF WE PICKED UP

EVERY OTHER WEEK. >> SPEAKER: MATH OFFHAND IF WE WENT TO AN EVERY OTHER WEEK SCHEDULEINSTEAD OF MEETING WOODY TO IT WOULD PROBABLY BE 39 TO RUN IT.

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WE DO 60 TO 70 PERCENT DISSIPATION BY RESIDENTS?

>> SPEAKER: YES. EVERY TIME YOU COME PAST IN A GIVEN NEIGHBORHOOD EXCEED TO 70 PERCENT HAVE RECYCLING OUT WE

COLLECT. >> CHAIR: WHERE ARE WE WITH THIS ISSUE HE MET CONTINUE WITH THE CONTRACT?

>> COMMISSIONER: THE ONLY PROBLEM IS IT DOESN'T SOLVE OUR

PROBLEM WITH THE CONSTITUENT. >> CHAIR: THE NEXT THING WE WILL BRING UP IS THE RATE INCREASE WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET THESE GUYS IS WHAT ARE WE DOING TODAY HE MET AND WE CAN WORRY ABOUT RFP WHICH WE HAVE TWO DEAL WITH THAT, TOO.

>> COMMISSIONER: OPTION NUMBER 1 DOES NOT SOLVE THE INSERT BUT

AGAIN IT IS WHAT IT IS. >> CHAIR: IS THE BEST WE CAN DO THAT'S WHAT IT IS AND IT SOME POINT YOU HAVE MAKE A DECISION AND HOPE IT'S THE RIGHT ONE.

YOU KNOW? >> COMMISSIONER: WE COULD LOSE

THAT 35,000, TOO. >> CHAIR: WHAT YOU WANT TO DO?

CAN WE COME TO A DECISION? >> COMMISSIONER: I DON'T CAN COME TO A DECISION AT THIS POINT IN TIME BECAUSE IT REQUIRES A VOTE. YOU CAN GIVE THE OPTION.

IT'S ONE OR TWO DIFFERENT THINGS AND WE BRINGING BACK ABOUT AND THEY HAVE MORE ANSWERS.

BASED ON WHAT THEY HEAR FROM OUR DISCUSSION.

>> CHAIR: OKAY. THIS IS AS GOOD AS IT'S GOING TO GET ON NUMBER 2. STEAM AHEAD.

KEEP DOING WHAT YOU ARE DOING IS THE ANSWER THAT I GOT.

AND THEN BRING IT BACK. DO WE NEED A MOTORBOAT ON NUMBER 2? IN WHAT DIRECTION WE ARE GOING

IN ON THAT? >> COMMISSIONER: IF WE WANTED TO CHANGE ON THAT PROBABLY SO CONSENSUS TO CONTINUE WHILE WASTE MANAGEMENT IS CONTINUING TO STAFF UP THAT'S BEEN DIRECT AND WE ARE FULLY PREPARED TO CONTINUE TO DO THAT WORK IF

THERE'S NOT AN APPETITE CHANGE. >> CHAIR: AND WE WANT TO VOTE ON THAT? COMMISSIONER BETSY CONDON MET RING IT BACK TO THE NEXT FULL BOARD MEETING AS A POLICY CHANGE OR WHATEVER YOU WANT TO DO AND THEN WE WILL TAKE A

FORMAL VOTE. >> SPEAKER: MR. CHAIRMAN, OR CELL HAS HOMEWORK BECAUSE THERE WAS A SUGGESTION FOR EVERY OTHER WEEK HE WENT OUT ON A WHIM AND PICKED THE NUMBER 39 BUT HE NEEDS TO COME BACK TO US IN TWO WEEKS AND TELL US WHAT THAT NUMBER IS EVERY OTHER WEEK.

I THINK IT WOULD BE PRUDENT TO GIVE US AN UP DATE ON THE HIRING, TOO. DIDN'T LAST OR NOT LAST AND DID 10 OTHER PEOPLE APPLY FOR THE JOB? WE NEED TO GET THE WORD OUT THAT YOU CAN MAKE $100,000 DRIVING A GARBAGE TRUCK THAT IS A PHENOMENAL AMOUNT OF MONEY.

WITH THAT SAID A LITTLE BIT OF HOMEWORK WE WILL COME BACK TO THE BOARD WITH SUGGESTIONS BUT I HEAR A CONSENSUS YOU WANT TO HAVE MORE OPTIONS LIKE OPTION 2A WHICH IS WHAT I HEARD COMMISSIONER JIM RENNINGER SAY WE WILL PUT THAT IN THE MIX AND GO FORWARD. I DON'T WANTED TO BE CONFUSING.

HE IS OFFERING A NUMBER AND IT'S LIKE BUYING A CAR YOU ARE UNDER PRESSURE YOU DID THE MATH IT IS $560,000.

IF THE BOARD WENT WITH OPTION NUMBER 2 AND THAT WOULD BE FOUR-MONTH AT 35 THOUSAND AND 12 MONTH AT THE OTHER.

SO, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THAT AND SAY THE BENEFIT FOR THEM IS THAT THEY GET TO USE THE TRUCK SOMEWHERE ELSE.

AT LEAST WE ARE HOLDING THE TRUCK CAN'T LOSE THAT RESOURCE OF THE TRUCK IF THERE IS AN OPTION TO A FOUR OPTION NUMBER 1 GET THAT THE REALITY. I WANTED TO WAIT THAT OUT.

I DIDN'T WANT TO GET TO WRAP UP ABOUT THE 35,000 NOT.

IF HE OFFERED US $100,000 A MONTH AS A STAFF TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT BECAUSE IT WOULD DEFINITELY START IMPACTING OUR FUND. IT WOULD GIVE US SOME REVENUES IN THEIR OR EVEN HIGHER NUMBERS IN THAT.

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PER MONTH. >> COMMISSIONER: MAKE NO MISTAKE THE RESIDENTS KNOW THAT.

YOU HEAR AT THE MEETINGS ARE NOT CHARGING THE COUNTY THE 133 THOUSAND DOLLARS PER MONTH MAKES IT DIFFICULT AND WHEN WE COME BACK AND SAY WE NEED TO RAISE THE RATE BECAUSE WERE NOT CHARGING YOU ENOUGH MONEY AND GET, THE LOGIC IS NOT THERE.

FROM THE RESIDENT AT BACK IS WASTE MANAGEMENT AND THEY'RE NOT CHARGING US THE CHARGE PER MONTH THE RESIDENT PAID THE DOLLARS IN THEIR PROPERTY TAX BILL IN NOVEMBER OR THROUGH MARK WHENEVER THEY PAY DAY WE ARE NOT CHARGING YOU ENOUGH? THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY OR WHETHER CHARGING OR AND THAT IS WHY IF IT IS A FUEL ISSUE AND WE NEED TO QUANTIFY THAT AND SPECIFICALLY COME BACK AND SAY. THAT'S WHY I ASKED THE QUESTION ABOUT THE LOST REVENUE. HIS ACTUAL LOST REVENUE POTENTIAL. THAT DECISION WAS MADE BY A PREVIOUS BCC AND COUNTY MANAGER THAT WE HAVE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY SINCE TO COME BACK AND LOOK AT THAT.

TODAY, FOR ME, IS THE FIRST THAT THIS BOARD HAS HEARD THAT

WERE NOT CHARGING ENOUGH. >> CHAIR: OKAY, THAT'S THE

NEXT TO TALK ABOUT. >> SPEAKER: MR. CHAIRMAN, I KNOW THAT COMMISSIONER BETSY CONDON HAS WORKED OUT HER MATH BUT THIS IS OVER 1.5 MILLION FOR THE YEAR DIVIDED BY 75,000 IS A $22 PER YEAR THAT OUR PEOPLE ARE - FOUR RECYCLING - AND THAT'S A YEARS WORTH. SO, IF WE CAN GET THE CREDIT AS WE HAVE DISCUSSED AT THE END OF THIS YEAR FOR FISCAL YEAR STARTING OCTOBER 21ST THEY WILL GET A CREDIT OF $22 AND THAT TOTALS THE MONEY THAT WE ARE NOT CHARGING.

WE ARE HOLDING THAT MONEY AND THE INTENT WOULD BE TO REBATE IT LIKE WE DID LAST TIME WE ARE NOT ANY FURTHER AHEAD THAN WE

WERE BEFORE. >> COMMISSIONER: I THINK OUR RESIDENTS ARE EXPECTING THE $22 BACK AND WE ARE TALKING THAT IT'S NOT SIGNIFICANT OR WHATEVER BUT AT THE SAME TIME WE ARE PROPOSING RAISING THEIR RATES BY $18.56 PER YEAR FOR

LESS SERVICE. >> COMMISSIONER: BECAUSE THE

PRICE WENT UP. >> COMMISSIONER: BECAUSEAT THE PRICE DID NOT KNOW UP HERE THAT IS WHAT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.

UNDERSTAND FUEL. >> SPEAKER: WE WILL CERTAINLY THAT SOUND BETTER. THE CONTRACT RATE DOES GO UP ANNUALLY AS WELL AS CPI ANNUALLY.

>> COMMISSIONER: WHAT IS CPI? FOR RESIDENT IN SUMER PRICE INDEX? B3 RIGHT.

OUR CONTRACT HAS A CONSUMER PRICE INDEX ESCALATOR THAT IS CONTRACT BILLY CALCULATED ANNUALLY AND LIKE WE SAID EARLIER FUEL SURCHARGE CREDIT. RIGHT NOW IT IS A SURCHARGE.

>> COMMISSIONER: I UNDERSTAND. OUR RESIDENTS ARE TELLING US THIS IS THE WORST CONTRACT THAT THE COUNTY COULD SIGN AND KEEP XTENDING IT AND I DON'T KNOW IF Y'ALL KEEP GETTING ASKED BUT I KEEP GETTING ASKED WHEN WE JUST CANCELED CONTRACT AND GET A BETTER ONE COUNTY? I UNDERSTAND THE TRUCK ISSUE AND ALL OF THAT BUT CLEARLY WASTE MANAGEMENT IS NOT HAPPY WITH THE CONTRACT COUNTY IS NOT HAPPY WITH THE CONTRACT.

>> COMMISSIONER: WE ARE CERTAINLY NOT PROPOSING TO

EXTEND IT. >> CHAIR: IS LIKE MAKING PAYROLL. IF WE DON'T DO THIS RIGHT IF THERE IS GARBAGE STACKED UP IN FRONT OF BOTH HOUSES, THAT CANNOT HAPPEN, PERIOD. LET'S FOCUS ON THE REVENUE SHORTFALL NEXT ISSUE. OKAY? TELL US ABOUT - I MAINTAIN DO A RESPONSIBLE THING BY LOWERING THE RATE ORIGINALLY BECAUSE WE RECOLLECT TOO MUCH MONEY THE IDEA HERE IS THAT WE READJUST THAT NUMBER AND KEEP UP WITH WHAT IT'S COSTING US AND WE DON'T OVERCHARGE OUR CONSTITUENT. TELUS NOW WHY WE NEED MORE

MONEY AND HOW MUCH AND WHEN. >> BACK IT'S INTO, AGAIN, OVER

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PERIOD. >> SPEAKER: MR. CHAIRMAN IF I

MAY? >> CHAIR: LET ME MAKE A COMMENTS PER THE TERM RESERVE SCARES ME.

>> SPEAKER: BASICALLY WE SEE A CONTINGENT THE ER COMING WITH THESE RECOMMENDATIONS INTO NOT ASKING TO BORROW OR BONDS ANY MONEY BECAUSE WE HAVE THOSE RESERVES IN THE SOLID WASTE ALSO FUNDS IN ORDER TO FUND THE NEW FACILITY AND EXPAND THE NEW

FACILITY. >> CHAIR: THIS MONEY GOES TO CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT AS WELL AS OPERATIONAL COSTS?

>> SPEAKER: YES, SIR AND IN THOSE FUNDS, IN THE TOTAL FUNDS BALANCE, WE'VE GOT A FUN IN THE FUND BALANCE OF ABOUT 19.6 MILLION. OF THE TOTAL WE HAVE SET ASIDE FOR POST OSHER WHICH IS WIRED BY THE DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION IS A LITTLE OVER 2 MILLION.

WE HAVE OTHER MISCELLANEOUS CONTINGENT THE CENTER WIRED UNDER OR MILLION IN THE COUNTY USES THIS FUND AS OUR DISASTER DEBRIS CONTINGENCY ACCOUNT. THERE ARE 10 MILLION EARMARKED FOR THAT AND IF WE SPEND IT DOWN IN THIS COUNT WE HAVE TO HAVE THAT MONEY SOMEWHERE ELSE. THAT IS OUR HURRICANE AND THAT WE HAVE THE MONEY TO PAY FOR THOSE SERVICES WHILE WE WAIT ON THE REIMBURSEMENT FROM THE STATE AND FEMA WHICH WE KNOW COULD TAKE SEVERAL YEARS. AND IN THE RESERVE FOR CAPITAL WE HAVE 19 AND A HALF MILLION AVAILABLE.

>> CHAIR: WHAT IS YOUR TARGET WHAT YOU NEED IN THE NEXT THREE

YEARS? >> SPEAKER: WE CAN CERTAINLY WORK ON THAT EARED WERE TALKING ABOUT SPENDING DOWN IF WE DO THESE CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS. THAT IS GOING TO BE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF 18 MILLION THAT'S GOING TO THE AVAILABLE

CONTICONTINGENCIES. >> SPEAKER: I TRIED TO KEEP THIS DOWN. THIS IS OUR FINANCIAL SUMMARY MODEL NOT TO EXPLODE ANYONE'S HEAD OR BRAIN BUT RED MEANS WE HAVE GONE INTO THE NEGATIVE IN THE TOOTH ONES THAT ARE LISTED ARE 401 AND 402 AND BEFORE I GO AND MAKE A MISTAKE ON IT, I DON'T KNOW WHO MADE THIS EXCEL SPREADSHEET BUT IF WE CAN ASK YOU TO COME UP AND IF I CAN, LOOK AT ORAL ONE IF WE LOOK AT THE ENDING RUNS BALANCE IF WE GO INTO THE RED IN THIS YEAR 36 AND ON FUND 402 IS THE PCOLLECTION SITE AND THIS SHOUL CONCERN YOU AND IT DOES REFLECT THE LOW AMOUNT THAT IS IN THE FUND AS MENTIONED BY CHARLIE EARLIER BUT WE GO INTO THE RED AND FISCAL YEAR 23. IF YOU ASK CHAIRMAN BLAKE REASON WHY FOR THE INCREASE, THAT IS SO YOU CAN THEY SOLVENT SO YOU DON'T GO INTO THE RED AS YOU FALL OUT WITH OF THE FUND IN THE FUTURE AND OBVIOUS LEE, THE BIGGEST FUNDS WE NEED TO PAY ATTENTION TO IS GOING NEGATIVE WEEKLY AND SOONER THAN

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>> COMMISSIONER: AND TO SAY, IN FUNDS 402, I THINK WE CAN SPEAK ABOUT THIS A LITTLE BIT MORE.

THE REBATE YOU ARE GIVING BACK, WHEN YOU SEE THAT IN THE MODEL, YOU CAN EAT IS THE REBATE GOING TO STAY AT THAT RATE? IT IS SHOWING YOU HOW YOU WILL GO INTO THE RED.

IF THIS IS A ONE YEAR ONE-TIME OR TWO-YEAR WHATEVER WORKS OUT WITH WASTE MANAGEMENT, THE COUNTY WILL NEED TO CONSIDER A RATE INCREASE GOING INTO THE STATE OF SOLVENT THE.

IF YOU WANT TO CONTINUE TO BE IN THE RED.

I JUST QUESTION, THE OTHER FUNDS NOT UNTIL 2036? YOU LISTEN TO ECONOMISTS AND THEY TALK ABOUT WE ARE LESS THAN ONE QUARTER AWAY BEING IN A RECESSION.

WHAT WE NEED TO BE SENSITIVE TO IS HOW WE DO WE NEED TO REESTABLISH THESE FUNDS IN THE CONSTRUCTION COST AND TALKING TO JEAN AND THE OTHER PROJECTS GOING UP ON COST.

PART OF OUR JOB IS TO SAY IS THIS THE RIGHT TIME TO DO THESE THINGS? I UNDERSTAND THERE ARE UPGRADES NEEDED AT ROSEMARY HILL AND OTHER TRANSFER STATIONS BUT IS IT THE RIGHT TIME TO BUILD A THIRD TRANSFER STATION? IS IT THE RIGHT TIME TO REBUILD THE TRANSFER STATION IS AT THE RIGHT TIME TO MAKE OTHER CONSTRUCTION DECISIONS THAT WE HAVE PLANS OUT? OBVIOUSLY THERE ARE THINGS LIKE FIRE STATIONS THAT ARE REQUIRED TO MEET THE SERVICE NEED OF THE RESIDENT AND WHILE TRASH PICKUP IS A REQUIRED NEED THAT WE ARE MAKING DO TODAY I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE A SENSITIVITY ABOUT RECORD INFLATION ON OUR RESIDENT RECESS AND WOULD ACTUALLY TEND TO SAY THAT UNEMPLOYMENT RATES WOULD GO UP A BIT AND YOU HAVE PEOPLE LOOKING FOR WORK.

PART OF THE PROBLEM TODAY IS THAT THERE AREN'T PEOPLE OUT THERE LOOKING FOR WORK. I'M SURE THAT JUST LOOKING AT THIS IS THE COMPLETE PICTURE THAT YOU SHOULD BE LOOKING AT AS A GOVERNING BOARD SHOULD YOU LOOK AT CONSTRUCTION AND I UNDERSTAND HIS MOM COULD BE USED IN THESE AREAS AND OTHER FUNDS CAN ONLY BE USED IN OTHER AREAS THEN YOU SAY IS AT THE RIGHT TIME OR SHOULD WE KEEP THE MONEY THAT WE HAVE AND THAT WE HAVE A LONGER TIME PERIOD. AT ONE POINT, AT COMMISSIONER WAYNE BOLLA! THERE WAS A SURPLUS.

IF WE ARE MOVING INTO A RECESSION IN 2022 IS AT THE RIGHT TIME TO BE DOING THESE THINGS WHEN THE ECONOMY IN 20 WTTW.COM/COMMENTS 24 OR 25 COULD IMPROVE TO AGAIN SURPLUS TIME? IS THAT A BETTER TIME TO LOOK AT REPLENISHING THESE FUNDS? I UNDERSTAND THAT NONE OF US

ARE ECONOMISTS BUT - >> SPEAKER: MR. CHAIR, IF I COULD RESPOND TO THAT TO LET EVERYONE KNOW AND GIVE A MISS CLAIMER IN FUND 401 WE ACCOUNTED FOR IT AT THE HIGHEST COST AND WE ACCOUNTED FOR A REPLACEMENT OF THE FACILITIES.

YOU KNOW, THAT LEVERAGING THAT REMAINING BUDGET WE DO THE REPAIR AND REPLACEMENT WITH HAPPY SOMETHING WE COULD GO BACK AND LOOK AT FOR YOU ALL? WITH THE SAME THING APPLY IN

THE 402 FUND? >> THE FOURTH TWO FUND IS DIFFERENT BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE CAPITAL COSTS WE DIDN'T LOOK AT IN-HOUSE ELECTION. IT WAS MAINLY LOOKING AT THE CONTRACT AND IN HERE IS STATES THE DISCLAIMER AFTER THE RFP IS RELEASED YOU CAN ASSESS WHAT THE RATE IF IT TOOK WASTE AT

THAT TIME. >> COMMISSIONER: THANK YOU.

ONE ANYONE ELSE? COMMISSIONER MIKE CELLA?

>> COMMISSIONER: I THINK THE QUESTION IS ALWAYS WHETHER YOU DO IT NOW OR LATER AND WHETHER IS GOING TO COST YOU MORE LATER THAN TODAY THESE ARE TOUGH TIMES YOU TRY TO MAKE THESE

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GOING TO BE - >> CHAIR: KNOW YOU HAVE TO

MAKE ONE. >> COMMISSIONER: I DIDN'T SAY THAT IT'S JUST NOT GET. IN SOME REGARDS I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IF THERE ARE WAYS THAT WE CAN EVER IN TERMS OF THE ORAL ONE FUNDS AND IF THERE IS AN ALTERNATE WAY OF MOVING OVER THIS THIRD TRANSFER STATION AND DOING REPAIRS BUT IN TERMS OF THE ROAD TO FUNDS I DON'T SEE ANY OTHER WAY AROUND TO MOVING FORWARD THAT RATHER THAN CREASING AND DOING WHAT YOU HAVE ASKED FOR AND THEN WE AS ASSET DOWN THE ROAD A YEAR OR SO WHEN WE SEE WHAT THE ECONOMY WILL BRING.

I THINK THERE ARE TWO DIFFERENT AREAS AS FAR AS THE TWO SONS ARE CONCERNED. ONE SEEMS LIKE IT IS PRETTY HEALTHY AND ROBUST ENOUGH TO GET US TO WHERE WE NEED TO BE IN THEN THE OTHER ONE IS RUNNING ON A QUARTER TANK OF GAS AND NO GAS STATION ANYTIME SOON.

SO, THAT IS SORT OF THE WAY I LOOK AT IT.

I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM IN PHASING IN WHAT WERE TALKING ABOUT RATHER THAN JUMP ALL IN AT THE SAME TIME.

>> SPEAKER: WERE GOING TO ADJUST THESE RATE IN THE NEXT FEW MONTHS WITH A NEW CONTRACT. AND IN MY ESTIMATION IT NOT GOING TO BE DOWN. I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM AT THREE LOOKING AT ADDITIONAL CONSTRUCTION IN DELAYING IT WITH CONSTRUCTION COSTS, LABOR COST AND MATERIAL COSTS ARE THEY ARE COMING DOWN. THEY WERE EXCEPTIONALLY HIGH IN THE REESE PASS. WHETHER THEY WILL EVER COME BACK TO WHERE THEY WERE BE WORK OF IT I DON'T KNOW.

I DON'T SO. IF WE CAN PHASE THIS THERE'S A RATE INCREASE AND IF THERE WAS A MORE LOGICAL WAY I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT IT IS GOING TO BE HARD.

IN 18 MONTH WERE GOING TO DO THIS ALL OVER AGAIN.

>> SPEAKER: LET ME SAY, CHAIRMAN, TERMS OF FIRE, POLICE, SANITATION IS RIGHT BEHIND THERE IN TERMS OF WHAT

WERE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING. >> CHAIR: IT IS A CORE

FUNCTION. >> SPEAKER: DEFINITELY NEED TO LOOK AT NOT ONLY WHAT WERE DOING TODAY BUT DOWN THE LINE.

, 20 YEARS WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE THAT IS OUR LEGACY OF PEOPLE WHO PROCEED US. I THINK THE COMMISSIONER JIM RENNINGER IS CORRECT. IN TERMS OF THE JURY IS ONLY GOING TO GO ONE WAY. I DON'T HOW WE CAN REDUCE RATE.

MY GOAL AS COMMISSIONER BETSY CONDON SAID, IT WOULD BE TO IMPROVE SERVICE AND TRY TO HOLD RATE WHERE WE CAN BUT WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT THEY WILL PROBABLY GO UP TO WHERE YOU NEED TO BE. I AM ROOTING FOR MARCEL AND THE FOLKS WHO WALK DOWNSTAIRS TODAY AND FIVE GUYS OUT THERE LOOKING FOR A $100,000 A YEAR TRUCK DRIVING JOB.

TO SIGN UP RIGHT AWAY AND TAKE THE PRESSURE OFF.

I THINK WE HAVE TO KEEP THAT COGNIZANT THAT THOSE AREAS ARE A FEW THINGS THAT PEOPLE DEPEND ON.

>> CHAIR: COMMISSIONER KRISTEN BURKE?

>> COMMISSIONER: MY WORRY IS IF WE DON'T DO ANYTHING THE RATES JUMP SKYHIGH WHAT CHOICE DO WE HAVE? WE HAVE THE CONTRACT TO PAY ONLY WHOEVER DECIDES TO FILL

THAT CONTRACT. >> COMMISSIONER: DUFAULT COUNTY HAS HELD THERE'S THEY CHARGE $12 AND PUT THE CONTRACT OUT AND I UNDERSTAND IN SOME CASES WE HAVE NO BID.

GOVERNMENT GOVERNMENT CAN CHOOSE WHAT TO PAY AND AT THE END OF THE DAY THEY HAVE THEIR PICKUP.

IN DUFAULT COUNTY EVERYBODY GETS THEIR TRASH PICKED UP.

THERE ARE OTHER WAYS. > COMMISSIONER: THERE ARE FIVE DIFFERENT COMPANIES? P2 YES BECAUSE THEY HAVE IT IN THE AND I'M NOT SUGGESTING THAT I AM SUPPORTING THAT OBVIOUSLY OUR RATE IS HIGHER THAN THEIR RATE BUT I'M PAYING, I THINK SOMETIMES I WILL LIKE WE ARE EXPECT DID IN CLAY COUNTY TO

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I UNDERSTAND AND IS NOT PERSONAL AGAINST WASTE MANAGEMENT I HAVE NO ISSUE WITH THE COMPANY OF WASTE MANAGEMENT OR ANY OF THESE OTHER COMPANIES THAT OUR RESIDENT EXPECT RELATIONSHIPS TO NOT GET IN THE WAY OF US DOING GOOD GOVERNMENT OR THE GOVERNMENT AND PROVIDING THOSE SERVICES AT A REASONABLE RATE. I EXPECT RESIDENT EXPECT THE RATE OVER TIME TO GO UP I DON'T THINK THEY WERE EXPECTING RATE TO GO UP PRIOR TO THE CONTRACT STARTING.

AND I THINK WE NEED TO BE MORE TRANSPARENT ABOUT WHY.

THIS THE FIRST TIME THAT WE WOULD HAVE DISCUSSED A RATE INCREASE PRIOR TO THIS CONTRACT EXPIRING FOR OUR RESIDENT.

FOR MY TIME ON THE COMMISSION. AND WE HAD NOT DISCUSSED RAISING THE RATE OF THE $200 PER YEAR THIS IS THE FIRST TIME

WE DISCUSSED IT. >> SPEAKER: MR. CHAIR IF I COULD PROVIDE SOME OF NATION MAC WE ARE ONE OF THE PROVIDERS IN JACKSONVILLE. THE CITY OF JACKSONVILLE IS DIVIDED INTO FOUR ZONES. WASTE PRO HAS WHAT I WOULD SAY THE SOUTH AND EAST SIDE OF MANDARIN IN THAT AREA AND THE CITY THEMSELVES DOES A SMALL PORTION A CORE OF THE CITY.

LAST KNOWN THAT WENT OUT TO BID THAT MERIDIAN ONE ONLY HAD TO BIDDERS. THIS WAS STILL DURING COVERT BUT THE WAR THE WAGES WENT UP AS MUCH AS THEY DID THE ONLY HAD TWO BIDDERS IN THE ULTIMATE WAS MERIDIAN AND THE OTHER THING I WOULD MENTION IS IS A VERY LOW SERVICE.

IT IS REAR LOAD GARBAGE AND VERY SIMILAR IN YARD WASTE CAPACITIES AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS THAT THE OTHER THING I WOULD MENTION THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS IN THE CITY OF JACKSONVILLE THE CITY ITSELF BUYS THE FUEL.

MY POINT IS THE HOLLER IS CHARGING AN ADDITIONAL TEAM DOLLARS WITHOUT. YOU CAN DO THE MATH BUT WERE LIKE 20. IF THE HOLLER HAD TO PAY FOR THE FUEL LIKE WE DO IN CLAY COUNTY.

I'VE SAID IT BEFORE AND COMMISSION LOSE A LOT OF MONEY IN THIS CONTRACT AND WE ARE COMMITTED TO FULFILLING THE CONTRACT BUT I WANT YOU TO UNDERSTAND THAT AS A NEIGHBOR IN THE CITY OF JACKSONVILLE WHAT THAT COMPARISON WITH LIKE YOU TO YOUR POINT THE CITY OF JACKSONVILLE HAS NOT RAISED RATES TO RESIDENTS IN TWO YEARS AND THAT THE CONVERSATION IN COMMITTEE MEETING AND THEY ARE INSOLVENT ON THAT FUND SIGNIFICANTLY. BECAUSE THEY ARE PAYING THE HAULERS 17 OR AT LEAST ONE OF THE HAULERS 17 IN THE NEWEST CONTRACT AND ONLY CHARGING RESIDENT IN THE $10 RANGE.

THE ONE THING I WOULD SAY, OUR ZONE IS UP IN OCTOBER OF 23.

WE HAVE GIVEN THEM NOTICE THAT WERE NOT GOING TO RENEW AND THAT BID IS COMING OUT AT ANY TIME.

WHEN THAT BID COMES OUT YOU ALL WILL HAVE SOME POINT OF REFERENCE AS TO WHO THE RESPONDENT MAY BE AND WHAT THOSE RATES LOOK LIKE IT WAS SOMETIME BE IN THE SPRING OF

NEXT YEAR. >> CHAIR: I WATCHED SOME OF THOSE COMMITTEE MEETINGS AND IT SEEMED LIKE NO ONE HAD AN IDEA OF HOW TO PAY THIS STUFF. THEY WERE JUST CONCERNED WITH PAYING THE STUFF BACK ON. THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT BONDS AND THEY ARE GOING IN THAT RIGHT NOW DOING WHAT THEY ARE DOING.

>> COMMISSIONER: I AM NOT SUGGESTING THAT.

>> CHAIR: I'M NOT FAVOR OF DOING THAT EITHER.

ALTHOUGH IT IS GOOD LONG TERM IT IS NT A VIABLE SOLUTION THEM, EITHER. I THINK WE ARE DOING THE RESPONSIBLE THING BY AT LEAST STAYING SOLVENT ON THESE FUNDS.

I LIKE THE CONCEPT OF RAMPING THIS UP.

IT IS EITHER WE DO THAT OR WE WAIT UNTIL THE CONTRACT RENEWS PAND WE DO IT ALL AT ONCE. I HATE LOOKING THE GUY IN THE EYE NEXT DOOR AND I KNOW YOU HAVE HAD TERRIBLE SERVICE BUT WERE GOING TO RAISE YOUR RATE TO MAKE IT BETTER AND THAT IS WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN. OKAY, AS A CONSENT THIS I HEAR WE WANT TO DELAY THIS IS THAT WHERE WE ARE AT? WE WILL KICK IT DOWN THE ROAD. I WON'T BE HERE THAN IN THAT'S

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IT'S A QUESTION DO WE WANT TO RAISE THE FUNDS AT THE SAME TIME AS WE MOVE FORWARD OR YOU WANT TO DO ONE?

>> COMMISSIONER: I LIKE THE GRADUAL IDEA MYSELF.

>> CHAIR: AT THE END OF THE DAY WHEN WE HAVE A NEW CONTRACT WHATEVER IT MAY BE, IT IS GOING TO SHOW ITS UGLY HEAD AT THAT

TIME. >> CHAIR: THE HURRICANE AND I WAS HERE FOR THAT ONE ON THE TWO.

WE HAD A BITE FOR A YEAR BEFORE WE GOT ANYTHING THE GOVERNMENT.

THAT WAS A BAD HURRICANE. AND THEY GET WORSE.

COMMISSIONER, WHO WANTS TO TALK? I'M TRYING TO GET A DIRECTION NOT A DECISION.

>> COMMISSIONER: CHARLIE WANTS TO.

>> COMMISSIONER: THE POWERPOINT PRESENTATION ALSO SHOWED THAT THE ASSESSMENT LEVEL IN THE LOWER RIGHT-HAND CORNER WHERE THE OTHER COUNTIES ARE IF WE DIDN'T DO THESE INCREASES WE WOULD STILL BE RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF WHAT THE OTHERS, WHAT THE AVERAGE OF WHAT EVERYBODY ELSE IS CHARGING THE CITIZENS AS WELL. AND SO, IF WE DID DO AN INCREASE IT WOULD PUT US AHEAD OF ANYBODY SIGNIFICANTLY AND THE OTHER THING IS, I HAVE HEARD EVERYBODY'S A COUPLE TIMES ABOUT POOR SERVICE. KNOW WE'VE HAD POOR SERVICE IN THE PAST ABOUT YARD WASTE BUT I UNDERSTAND WHY THE SERVICE IS BEING VIEWED AS POOR AT THIS POINT BECAUSE OF THE CALLS WE GET ANY INFORMATION WE RECEIVE THERE HAS SUBSTANTIAL IMPROVEMENT. I USED TO TAKE IT JUST LIKE YOU, CALLS EVERY SINGLE DAY. IT WAS DREADING COMING TO WORK,

TO BE TRUTHFUL. >> CHAIR: YOU HAVE TO BE ELECT RIGHT? WE TO YOU WILL NEVER SEE MY NAME ON A BALLOT AGAIN, I PROMISE YOU.

I THINK WASTE MANAGEMENT OFFER, IT'S A FAIR ALTERNATIVE FOR US TO MOVE FORWARD AND I KNOW IT'S NOT AN EASY THING TO DO SECURELY IN AN ELECTION YEAR SOME OF YOU BUT TO DO THE RIGHT THING FOR THE RIGHT REASON AND THAT IS WHAT WE ARE PRESENTING

TODAY. >> CHAIR: ON THIS PHASING ISSUE, WHAT COULD YOU LIVE WITH? WE TALKED ABOUT WHEN SOMETHING WITH 402 MAY BE?

>> SPEAKER: MR. CHAIRMAN IF I MAY STEP IN BY THE NEXT WORD MEETING, WILL THINK OF IT SIMPLY.

IF THE CONSENSUS IS TO REPAIR WHAT YOU CAN, FACILITY WISE AND THAT DON'T MESS AROUND WITH FUND FOR A ONE THAT'S WHAT I'M HEARING. DON'T TOUCH THOSE MONIES RIGHT NOW. THE CRITICAL IS AS THE COMMISSIONER TALKED ABOUT ORO TO.

KIND OF SPECIFICS AS I LOOK AT IT THE REVENUES OR THE SCHOOL YEAR 23 AND THE COMING SCHOOL YEAR WE HAVE TO ADDRESS THIS NEGATIVE FUND BALANCE. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE REVENUE COMING IN FROM 22 TO 20 THREE DOWN 1 MILLION AND IF YOU LOOK IN THE COLLECTION CONTRACT IT IS UP TO THE REVENUE IS DOWN 1 MILLION THERE CONTRACT IS UP 800,000 AND THEN I'M GOING OUT ON A LIMB THAT'S PROBABLY FOR CPI AND THE FUEL I DIDN'T MAKE THIS CHART BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THAT IS EVEN BIGGER WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE REVENUE LESS SIX PICTURE YOU ARE AT A $2 MILLION HIT IN 402 FOR NEXT YEAR. LET'S GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE NUMBERS I DON'T KNOW WHEN WE MADE THIS CHART.

DID YOU MAKE IT A MONTH AGO? WE HAVE MORE UPDATED NUMBERS THAT WE CAN PUT IN HERE AND WE WILL TAKE A LOOK AT IT AND COME BACK TO THE BOARD ON WHAT THAT DOLLAR AMOUNT IS TO BREAK EVEN OR MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THE RIGHT NUMBER ON THE BOTTOM LINE SO WE ARE NOT SOLVING IN THE BOTTOM LINE.

>> COMMISSIONER: SIR, I WAS NOT SUGGEST THAT THIS IS NOT REASONABLE OR REQUIRED. WHAT I WAS SAYING IS IF IT IS TIED COST I THINK THE RESIDENTS CAN UNDERSTAND YOU'LL COST.

I DON'T IT IS CLEAR ON WHAT WE HAVE TODAY AND WHAT THE PUBLIC

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THE OTHER THING THAT I WAS ACTUALLY SUGGEST IS THE PLANS GOING FORWARD. WE ARE BEING ASKED A LOT THERE THERE'S A LOT OF DECISIONS IN HERE AND I'M NOT SUGGESTING THAT ALL I WAS SAYING IS ON THE STAFF RACK DELAY RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE NEW TRANSFER STATION, MAYBE THAT DOESN'T GET BUILT IN FY 23 OR FY 24 BUT WE PHASE IN KEEPING THAT FUND TO WHEN THE ECONOMY IS BETTER AND WE HAVE LOWER CONSTRUCTION COSTS OR LOWER COSTS OF TILTING OR THE AVAILABILITY OF SUPPLIES. THOSE WERE THE THINGS THAT I WAS TRYING TO - I FULLY UNDERSTOOD THAT AND AGAIN SOMETIMES TIMING IS EVERYTHING WITH IT AND WHEN YOU TAKE A LOOK AND TRY TO PREDICT FUTURE WHICH WE DON'T SOMETIMES DO THE GREATEST JOB IN DOING THAT. MY POINT FOR ORO TO WAS TO LOOK AT THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR AS I HAVE HEARD IF YOU DO A GRADUAL THAT IS HOW YOU GET THE GRADUAL INCREASE.

WHEN IT COMES TO 401 AND THAT OTHER TRANSFER STATION TO NOTE WE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT IT EARLIER.

NOT ONLY WAS THE LOCATION KEY AND CRITICAL FOR MANY DIFFERENT REASONS AS YOU COLLECT AND WAS OF IT THERE SO IT CAN GET HAULED TO A LAND DEAL WAS ALSO WE LOOKED AT ROSE AND THE HIGHWAYS TO THAT TOGETHER AREA AND WE HEAR THE COMMUNITY AND THE PUBLIC LOUD AND THERE ABOUT ROAD ALONG ROSEMARY HILL.

IF YOU STRATEGICALLY WITH THE TRANSFER TAPE STATION IN AN AREA OF THEIR THEN YOU ARE USING SOME MAJOR HIGHWAYS AND

ROADS THAT THE TRUCK USING. >> COMMISSIONER: IF THEY ACTUALLY USE THEM BUT COUNTY ROAD IS A REAL DANGER AND, BRIDGE IS TRUCK AND THE BRIDGES ARE EVEN BEING RATED FOR THE TRUCK WITH THE DOT ROUTED THE TRUCK OVER THE BRIDGE WHICH HAS PUT IT AT RISK NOW AND THE PROBLEM IS 217 HAS BEEN UTILIZED AS A MAJOR COMMUTING THOROUGHFARE BECAUSE OF THE OPENING OF THE TOLLROAD ON THE EXPRESSWAY WHEN RESIDENT WANT TO USE THAT WE THEN ADD TO THAT A TRANSFER STATION WITH GARBAGE TRUCKS GOING ON KENNY ROAD TO 17 GOING TO THE COUNTY TO THE TRANSFER STATION WE COULD EXACERBATE THE PROBLEM AND HOPEFULLY IS TRANSFER ENDING FOR IMPROVEMENT OF 217 X YEAR BUT THAT IS THE WAY IT SET THIS YEAR.

>> SPEAKER: I WANTED TO PUT IT OUT THERE AND I DID ASKED THE SAME QUESTION. TO 17 IS AN EXAMPLE IN THE WAY THAT IT WAS A LEAN TO ME IN THE BRAINSTORM WAS YOU HAVE THAT OVER THERE AND ROSEMARY HILL TO THE SOUTH.

FROM COST TO TIMING AND THE LOCATION AND THAT, WE TALKED A LOT ABOUT THAT BACK TO THIS WE WOULD PROPOSE IN THE NEXT BOARD MEETING WE CAN COME UP WITH THE COST FOR 402 AND WE WILL PRESENT THAT TO THE BOARD TO MAINTAIN THAT WE ARE SOLVENT IN THAT RUNS. I HEAR THE DIRECTION AND WE WILL HAVE THAT PROPOSAL AND MAYBE WE CAN FLOW OUT THE REPAIRS AND WHAT WOULD HE, WHAT THEY HAVE RECOMMENDED IN THE FIVE-YEAR PLAN. IN THAT REPORT WHAT YOU HAVEN'T ADDRESSED A LOT BUT IT IS IN THERE, THE FIVE-YEAR AND TWENTY-YEAR PLAN FOR ME AND CRITICAL RECOMMENDATIONS IN THE REPORT. WE HAVE SUMMARIZED A LOT OF THEM IN HERE BUT IF THERE WAS ANYTHING ELSE AS WE MOVE OVER THE NEXT THERE ARE CONCERNS FROM THE COMMUNITY FOR THE BOARD AND WE WILL ADDRESS THOSE AND TAKE CARE OF THAT AT THE

NEXT BOARD MEETING. >> CHAIR: THERE WAS A RECOMMENDATION AND NOW I'M LOOKING AT THE FUTURE IN THE FOR CONTRACT. THERE WAS A RECOMMENDATION THAT WE DON'T SERVICE AND WE SHOULD STAY WITH ONE HOLLER AND ONE DISTRICT HOW DO YOU DEAL WITH THAT COMMAND THE AUTOMATED TRUCKS NOW IN YOUR DRIVING DOWN A DIRT ROAD WITH NO I MAY SPEAK CHARLIE COULD ADD TO THIS AS WELL.

THAT IS. COMMON IN JURISDICTIONS

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YOU MIGHT YOUR TWO MEN AS A HELPER AND GO DOWN AROUND WITH TRUCKS I KNOW THEY ARE SED IN THIS COUNTY.

IT IS ONE OF THOSE THINGS WHEN YOU PUT OUT YOUR RS YOU'RE TELLING THAT VENDOR YOU ARE GOING TO LEVERAGE ALL AND TECHNOLOGY THAT YOU HAVE IN A PRIVATE SECTOR THAT THE PUBLIC SECTOR MIGHT NOT HAVE. UTILIZING NOT TO COME UP WITH THEIR ROUTING THAT IS WHAT THE STAFF CAN ANALYZE IN THE SELECTION COMMITTEE CAN ANALYZE IN THE PROCUREMENT PROCESS.

LET'S ALSO WANT TO ADD IN RURAL AREAS YOU GO TO A MY AUTOMATIC ROAD USING THE LARGE CARD AND THEY ARE STILL ON THE BACK OF THE TIPPER TRUCKS AND THEY CAN USE PART SERVICE AND IT WOULD BE SEMI AUTOMATIC LIKE THEY DO IN THE MORE DENSE AREAS.

PART OF THE RFP IN AGREEMENT MOVING BOARD WOULD HAVE TO INVOLVE SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN ROADS THAT ARE FAR BACK IN AND WE CAN'T GET TO THEM.

YOU HAVE A 90 POUND GARBAGE CAN TO MOVE AND YOU HAVE A LITTLE OLD LADY TRYING TO GET IT OUT TO THE CURB.

THREE WE HAVE A LOT OF DIFFERENT SCENARIOS AND WE HAVE TO GET EVERYONE OUT THERE AS BEST AS WE CAN TO GET A SERVICE

AT A GOOD RATE. >> COMMISSIONER: BUT THEY MATTER IN EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM HAD OTHERS AND IT IS QUITE OFFENSIVE FOR PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN DISTRICT 4 TO SAY JUST BECAUSE YOU LIVE ON A DIRT ROAD WHICH IN A LOT OF CASES COUNTY HAS CHOSEN NOT TO DO IMPROVEMENT TO OTHER THAN MAKE IT A DIRT ROAD FOR YEARS AND YEARS SOME PEOPLE HAVE LIVED THERE FOR 40 YEARS AND 30 YEARS AGO THEY SAID THEY WOULD PAVE THE ROAD AND WE DIDN'T. I UNDERSTAND A PRIVATE ROAD ISSUE IS ANOTHER ISSUE BUT THEY STILL PAY TAXES AND I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF CHARGING A HIGHER RATE JUST BECAUSE A TRUCK CAN'T GO

DOWN THE ROAD. >> SPEAKER: I DON'T KNOW IF WE TALKED ABOUT A HIGHER RATE. IT WAS THE BASIS OF THE RECOMMENDATION TO STAY ONE DOWN THEY HAVE FULL FLEXIBILITY AND RESOURCES IN THE WHOLE COUNTY THAT, IF I GAVE YOU OR ANYBODY ELSE THE IMPRESSION THAT I CARE FOR SOMEONE LESS IN YOUR COUNTY OR IN ANOTHER DISTRICT I APOLOGIZE THAT THE BOTTOM LINE SHOULD BE WE HAVE TO FIND A WAY TO MAKE IT WORK IN EVERY SINGLE HOUSEHOLD AND THAT TAKES QUITE A BIT OF ORDINATION AND A GOOD HOLLER WITH A WILLING WORK WITH US.

>> CHAIR: WASTE MANAGEMENT HAS POSED A TWO-TIER SYSTEM, RIGHT? ARE THEY ANTICIPATING RUNNING THE WHOLE COUNTY THAT WAY?

WITH A RUN THAT SECTION? >> SPEAKER: IT WASN'T WASTE MANAGEMENT IT WAS THE CONSULTANTS THAT BROUGHT THAT FORWARD. THE FIRST SUGGESTIONS THAT WE BREAK UP IS FROM ME. THEY MADE IT CLEAR FROM THE STUDY THAT IT MAKES MORE SENSE TO KEEP THE RESOURCES IN ONE'S OWN SO IT'S UP TO THEM TO MAKE THE CHANGES AND DECIDE WHERE THE TRUCKS NEED TO GO, WHERE THE HAM COLLECTION WILL TAKE PLACE, THAT IS NOT OUR JOB AS A COUNTY.

IT'S OUR JOB TO REACH OUT TO THE QUALIFIED ENDURES AND THEY HAD TO DEMONSTRATE THAT AS PART OF THE SCREENING PROCESS TO IMPROVE THEIR CONTRACT. WE DO TO EXTEND ON WHAT CHARLIE WAS SAYING I THINK THAT IS THE RURAL VERSUS THE RESIDENTIAL ZONE. IN SOME PROCUREMENT PROCESSES THEY INCLUDE RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL IN THIS IS ONLY LOOKING AT YOUR RESIDENTIAL HOUSEHOLD AND THERE'S NOT THERE'S NOT ENOUGH. IT DOES NOT QUANTIFY ENOUGH THAT IT WOULD BE IN YOUR BEST INTEREST FINANCIALLY FOR THE RATE YOU GET BACK FOR THE LARGE NUMBER OF HOUSEHOLDS YOU GET BACK A BETTER RATE YOU WILL SEE.

>> CHAIR: ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT ISSUE THERE WE NEVER GOT OUR PICKUP TRUCK ON A DIRT ROAD THAT WE WERE TOLD WE WOULD

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SOLUTION. >> SPEAKER: MR. CHAIRMAN

REALLY QUICK? >> COMMISSIONER: WHAT REALLY SPEAKS VOLUMES, CLAY COUNTY RURAL AREA REQUIRES A SPECIAL COLLECTIONS NERVOUS. 287 REQUIRE MODIFIED OPERATIONS TO SERVICE ON THOSE MOST LIKELY DIRT ROADS THAT ARE THERE.

79 OF THEM ARE ON THE EASTERN HALF OF THE COUNTY AND THE REST BEING IN THE MIDDLE AND THE FAR SOUTHWEST.

YOU CAN GET AN IDEA I THINK IT'S PROBABLY WHY WHAT I JUST HEARD HIM SAY IS THEY DIDN'T SPLIT IT UP BECAUSE YOU WANT TO TAKE ALL AVAILABLE ASSET AND SEE HOW THAT PARTICULAR HOLLER ONCE TO HANDLE IT. WE HAVE THESE PUP TRUCKS LIKE THEY WANT TO CALL THEM, IT'S NOT JUST A PICKUP TRUCK OR SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULD SEE, THEY ARE ABLE TO BE A BIT MORE INNUMERABLE AND LESS WEIGHT AND THAT'S WHAT THEY ARE USING.

FOR ME, I WANT TO POINT THIS OUT.

THIS ONE SHOWED THOSE AREAS WHERE IT NEEDS EXTRA OR A MODIFIED OPERATION IN THEIR. OKAY?

>> COMMISSIONER: SO, OR THE 143 THE 33 AND THE FIFTH, IF THERE WAS A REQUIREMENT, IF THERE WAS NOT THE PERMIT TO HAVE TO GO TO ROSEMARY HILL LAND WILL YOU MIGHT HAVE OTHER HAULERS WHO MIGHT NOT WANT TO ALL THOSE THAT HAVE SPECIAL SERVICES. BUPUTNAM COUNTY IS SERVED BY ANOTHER AND THEY BOTH HAVE INTERESTING NOT WANT TO GO TO ROSEMARY BUT WE REQUIRE ALL HAULERS TO GO TO ROSEMARY HILL.

I DON'T KNOW THAT IS A COMPLICATED ISSUE IN AND OF ITSELF BUT THAT WOULD BE ANOTHER CONSIDERATION FOR THE

SPECIAL COLLECTION SERVICES. >> CHAIR: THAT IS AN IDEA.

>> COMMISSIONER: MY RESPONSE TO THAT IS I WOULD LIKE TO GO DEEPER IN THAT AND UNDERSTAND MORE ABOUT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING BECAUSE THE COUNTY WOULD STILL NEED TO TRACK AND MONITOR THE 10 INCH AND THE MATERIAL BEING COLLECTED.

PERHAPS THAT IS THING THAT THE STAFF COULD LOOK AT AND COME BACK TO YOU AND DIVE DEEPER TO WHAT YOU ARE TO.

>> COMMISSIONER: DO WE HAVE A EVERYTHING HAS TO GO TO

ROSEMARY HILL MET. >> SPEAKER: YES.

>> CHAIR: IS NOT OUR POLICY? >> SPEAKER: I THOUGHT THAT WAS

IN THE CHARTER. >> SPEAKER: THE DESIGNATION OF WASTE IS COGNITIVE ID IN THE COUNTY ORDINANCE AND TO GO TO THE COUNTY'S DESIGNATED DISPOSAL FACILITY AND SECONDLY THAT IS IN OUR CONTRACT OUR CURBSIDE COLLECTION CONTRACT AND THE FURTHER DESIGNATE THAT IT MUST GO TO THE COUNTY

FACILITY. >> CHAIR: WHY WOULD WE HAVE DONE THAT? B3 PRIMARILY, FINANCES.

AS A COUNTY WITHIN THE STATE OF FLORIDA STATE LAW REQUIRES US TO HAVE ABILITIES THAT CAN HANDLE 100 PERCENT OF THE WASTE GENERATED IN THE COUNTY WHETHER IT COMES TO YOU OR NOT.

SO, IF YOU LEFT IT WHERE THE WASTE COULD GO OUT OF THE COUNTY THAT COST PER TON WOULD ARGUABLY GO UP FOR THE WASTE

THAT IS COMING INTO THE COUNTY. >> CHAIR: WE WOULD SAVE A LITTLE BIT OF THAT BUT WE WOULD LOSE THAT?

>> SPEAKER: YES, WE HAVE TO MAINTAIN THAT CAPABILITY EVEN

IF NOTHING IS COMING TO US. >> CHAIR: WE CANNOT CHANGE THAT END THAT IS A LEGISLATIVE PRIORITY LIST.

ANYWAY. OKAY.

NOW, THE NEXT THING IS THE RFP. IS THERE ANY GUIDANCE THAT YOU NEED ON THAT MAP ARE GOING TO PUT THAT OUT EARLY ENOUGH SO WE ARE A COUPLE YEARS AHEAD OF THE CURVE? I COMPLEMENT YOU GUYS REALIZING THIS IS GOING TO TAKE A LONG TIME GETTING THIS STUFF TEED UP AHEAD OF TIME.

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US? >> SPEAKER: I DON'T THINK SO.

>> CHAIR: ARE THERE ANY OTHER CRUSHING ISSUES THAT YOU NEED US TO REIN IN ON? CHARLIE? WE ARE NOT TAKING BOAT WE ARE JUST LOOKING AT AN IMPRESSION.

BEFORE YOU GO STEAMING DOWN THE ROAD IN THE WRONG DIRECTION.

>> SPEAKER: WE ARE READY TO PUT FOR OUR BEST EFFORT TO FUND THE BEST RFP TO MAKE SURE WE ARE SERVING THE CITIZENS AT THE BEST POSSIBLE PRICE. I CAN TELL YOU THERE HAVE BEEN MULTIPLE AND WHAT I CAN SAY IS WHATEVER THE MARKET IS GOING TO BEAR IS WHAT THE MARKET IS GOING TO BEAR.

WHATEVER THE COSTS ARE THE SOONER WE CAN IDENTIFY WHAT THOSE COSTS ARE GOING TO BE THE SOONER WE CAN MAKE PLANS FOR THE COST AND THAT'S ONE OF THE MAIN REASONS WE ARE DOING IT EARLY SO WE KNOW WHAT THE COST WILL BE.

>> CHAIR: I THINK THERE WAS A RECOMMENDATION IN THE REPORT NOT TO MAKE THE RFP TO TIGHT. WHEN I LOOKED AT THAT SENSATION YOU'RE SPECIFYING THE AUTOMATIC TRUCK.

I THINK THAT IS A NO-BRAINER WAY TO GO.

WE DISCUSSED TAKING THE REPORT AND MAKING IT ADDENDUM RFP.

THERE COULD BE A THOUGHT OUT THERE THAT WE HAVE NOT OUGHT OUT YET AND I DON'T WANT TO MAKE IT SO TIGHT THAT WE CANNOT

COME UP WITH IT. >> SPEAKER: WE UNDERSTAND THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO DRAFT THIS IN A WAY TO LET THE RESPONDENTS

KNOW WHAT THE BEST IDEA IS. >> SPEAKER: MR. CHAIRMAN, AS WE ARE WRAPPING UP A LITTLE BIT YOU ALWAYS LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THE HOMEWORK ASSIGNMENTS ARE IF THAT PLEASES THE BOARD CHARLIE, DON'T SIT DOWN BECAUSE I NEED TO HAVE CONSENSUS ON SOME OF THESE THAT I WILL SAY. THE FIRST ITEM WE HAVE IS FOR THE SUGGESTION OF THE AMOUNT OF WEIGHT TO DROP OFF AND I HEARD THREE TONS PER YEAR AND THAT WE WOULD EXAMINE THE NUMBER AND COME BACK TO THE NEXT BCC WITH THAT NO.

I DON'T THINK THERE'S GOING TO BE ANY ISSUE WITH THAT AND I THINK THAT YOU AND CHARLIE AND MILTON HAVE A CONSENSUS ON

THAT. >> SPEAKER: I THINK THE DISCUSSION ON THE COMMISSION WAS GOOD.

>> SPEAKER: I ALSO HEARD THE COMMISSION NO EXTRA CHARGES SO WHATEVER WE CHARGE WITHIN THE FEE SCHEDULE RIGHT NOW WE ARE NOT PROPOSING ANY NEW ADDITIONAL AMOUNT.

CORRECT? AND SO IF THAT PLEASES THE

BOARD? >> CHAIR: IF SOMEONE GAINED US AS A POTENTIAL COMMERCIAL CUSTOMER THEY WOULD GAIN THE

SAME RATE. >> SPEAKER: THAT'S CORRECT.

>> CHAIR: GIVEN THREE TONS OFF THE TOP.

>> SPEAKER: THE NEXT ITEM WAS RECYCLING AND WHAT I HEARD THE BOARD'S CONSENSUS WAS STAY THE COURSE BUT TELL US IN TWO WEEKS. MARCEL HAS A HOMEWORK ASSIGNMENT PERSONNEL IN THE WAS LOOKING AT EVERY OTHER WEEK EO W AND FOR THE STAFF'S SIDE OF IT WE WOULD ALSO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT ALSO WITH THEM AND THEN COME BACK TO THE NEXT BCC A RECOMMENDATION. MARCEL, YOU ARE GOOD WITH THAT ON YOUR HOMEWORK? IN ANY GUIDANCE FROM THE BOARD ON THAT? OKAY.

NUMBER 3 WERE THE TWO FUNDS. OR A ONE AND ORO TO AND REALLY, MAKING REPAIRS Y'S AND FACILITIES NOT TO DO ANYTHING ASTRONOMICAL AND MONIES TO SEE IF WE COULD TIME THAT OUT BASED ON THE ECONOMY AND THINGS LIKE THAT BUT REALLY, WHAT THE BIG THING IS, BY THE NEXT BCC IS TO COME BACK TO YOU AND TELL YOU THAT FUND ORO TO STAYS IN THE BLACK.

THAT IS WHAT I HEARD ABOUT FUNDS AND NOT ANYMORE GUIDANCE ON THAT? OKAY.

NUMBER OR WAS, WE WILL LOOK IN-HOUSE FOR THE STAFF AND MAYBE WITH THE CONTRACT, THE ORDINANCE AND THE CONTRACT AND PUTTING WASTE OUTSIDE OF THE COUNTY, I KNOW THERE IS A FLORIDA STATE STATUTE BUT MAYBE WE CAN COME BACK AND GIVE AN

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AND THEN NUMBER 5 THE RFP, WE WILL TAKE THE INPUTS THAT WE HAVE HERE AND MAYBE AT THE NEXT BCC AND A FEW MORE INPUTS, IS NOT LIKELY HAVE IT HERE AND WE WILL GIVE IT TO YOU IMMEDIATELY. I HEAR THAT WE WANT THE PUBLIC TO WEIGH IN ON THINGS MAYBE OVER THE NEXT TWO WEEKS YOU MIGHT HAVE SOME OTHER IDEAS BUT CHARLIE WILL COME BACK AND WE WILL LOOK AT GUIDANCE AT RFP AND WHAT WE NEED TO DO BUT I HEARD THE GENERAL ONES ON WHAT THE CONTRACTOR SUGGESTED ON THE RRFP AND WHAT'S OUT THERE AND HOPEFULLY THEY WON'T HAVE TO HUNT FOR THE INFORMATION ANYMORE ON THAT?

>> CHAIR: OPERATIONS FOR ETERNALINTERNAL SERVICE?

>> SPEAKER: CHARLIE, HOW ABOUT AT THE NEXT BOARD MEETING WE TALK ABOUT THE WHOLE KIT AND CABOODLE BREAKING UP YARD WASTE AND RECYCLING COSTS, CAPITAL COSTS, PERSONNEL COSTS AND FLOW THAT OUT, DO YOU THINK WE CAN DO THAT?

>> SPEAKER: THANK YOU, I THOUGHT THAT, FOR SURE.

AT THE NEXT BCC LET'S TALK ABOUT GOING INTERNAL WITH THAT.

>> CHAIR: THAT WOULD GIVE US THE OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT THE RFP AND POSSIBLY DO SOME IDEAS AND WE HEARD THAT JACKSONVILLE IS DOING THEIR PART? WE HAVE GREEN CO-SPRINGS TO

LOOK AT. >> SPEAKER: TALKING TO THE CITY MANAGER LAST WEEK WE COULD SEE THEM ONCE A MONTH AND THEY DEFINITELY TOOK A LOOK AT THE HOURLY RATE AND I THANK HIM FOR THE USE OF THE TRUCK THAT IS A CRITICAL TIME THAT WE ARE ABLE TO MAINTAIN THE SERVICE WITH US OF THE TRUCKS.

YES SIR. I THINK WITH JACKSONVILLE RF THE THAT COMES OUT WE CAN SHARE IT WITH THE BOARD AND WE CAN ANALYZE IT AND BRIEF YOU ALL ON WHERE THAT IS BUT AS THE RESULTS COME OUT NEXT SPRING THAT'S NOT GOING TO HELP US PER SE. IT MAY.

THAT WILL BE A TOPIC FOR DISCUSSION TO SEE WHERE THEY ARE. YOU CAN'T BE THAT JACKSONVILLE IS A BIT COMPLICATED AND THEREFORE ZONES AND THAT IS WHY I ASKED CHARLIE TO PUT DOWN THE OTHER SURROUNDING COUNTIES AND THEIR COST. THE PUBLIC UNDERSTANDS THOSE AND AGAIN WE HAVE THE COMMISSIONER LOOKING AT IT AND ALACHUA IS 233 PUTNAM 276. AGAIN, TO HAVE A FRAME OF REFERENCE THAT WE LIKE TO HAVE IN THE SURROUNDING COUNTIES.

>> SPEAKER: ST. JOHN COUNTY HAD AN INCREASE OVER THE NEXT YEARS IN THE CANCELED THROUGH COVID IN THE SERVICES WERE

USED. >> CHAIR: THE RATE WOULD'VE BEEN 242 BUT THERE BOARD HELD OFF ON IT.

AGAIN, THEY ARE A LOT MORE HEALTHIER WHEN IT COMES TO REVENUE AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEIR FUNDS LOOK LIKE.

AGAIN, IT GIVES YOU AN IDEA. PENDING ANY QUESTIONS THOSE WERE THE HOMEWORK ASSIGNMENTS AND THE DUE OUTS FROM THIS WORKSHOP AND AGAIN I WANT TO THANK THE CONTRACTORS.

THIS HAS BEEN A WONDERFUL STUDY TAKING A LOOK AT IT EVERY TIME I LOOK AT IT I LEARNED SOMETHING NEW.

THERE'S A LOT TO DIGEST IN THIS AND REST ASSURED, WE WANT TO HEAR ABOUT THE REPAIRS WE WANT TO HEAR FROM WASTE MANAGEMENT AND OTHER CONTRACTORS ABOUT MAKING THE REPAIR AND TAKING A LOOK AT THE BOTTOM LINE AND HOLDING PEOPLE ACCOUNTABLE.

AND I WANT TO THANK - >> $40,000 FOR THE PRESSURE WASHER. I WANT TO THANK MILTON, CHARLIE, CHRISTINE AND JAMIE A LOT OF HARD WORK AND INTO THIS AND I KNOW THE EXPECTATION OF THE BOARD WAS SOONER THAN LATER AND THAT IS WHY WE ARE HAVING IT ON THE 10TH.

WE HAVE SOME DECISIONS TO MAKE AND MOVE BOARD AND HOPEFULLY WE HAVE GIVEN YOU ENOUGH TIME TO MAKE THOSE DECISIONS.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.