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>> WELCOME EVERYONE TO THE MAY 3RD MEETING OF THE CLAY COUNTY PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MANY WE WILL DO SOME
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INTRODUCTIONS AND ALL IN A MINUTE BUT BEFORE WE GET STARTED IF YOU WOULD RISE AND RECITE THE PLEDGE WITH US MANY MR. BOURRÉ.>> I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
>> WE WILL START WITH INTRODUCTIONS HERE.
TONIGHT, MY IS RALPH PUCKHABER I'M THE CHAIRMAN OF THIS COMMISSION AN STARTING ON THE RIGHT ON THE DAIS WE HAVE COMMISSIONER PETE DAVIS NEXT TO HIM COMMISSIONER BO NORTON, MARCH I BRIDGMAN AND TO MY LEFT COMMISSIONER MICHAEL BOURRÉ COMMISSIONER ANZALONE AND WOULD YOU SHOW MR. GARRISON AS BEING ABSENT AND ALSO AT THE FAR END DOWN THERE AS LAND ADDISON.
HE REPRESENTS THE CLAY COUNTY SCHOOL BOARD AT THESE MEETINGS.
KRISTINE BLANCHETT IS FROM THE CLERK'S OFFICE AND WILL RECORDS TONIGHT'S MEETINGS MANY WE HAVE MR. BROWN WHO IS CHIEF OF ZONING. WE HAVE OVER IN THE BACK THERE, WHO HAVE WE GOT? WE'VE GOT ED LAYMAN, WHO IS THE CHIEF OF CLAY COUNTY PLAN AND ZONING DIRECTOR AND DOWN HERE AN THAN THE DESK IS COURTNEY GRIMM OUR COUNTY ATTORNEY AND KEEPING US SAFE AND EVERYTHING IN ORDER WE HAVE TWO GENTLEMEN FROM THE SHERIFFS OFFICE. WE HAVE SERGEANT MCDADE AND LIEUTENANT MALA. AND I THOUGHT I SAW -- OH, YES AND MIKE SULLA IS JOINING US. THANKS FOR COMING TO OUR MING.
WE ARE BROADCAST SO YOU CAN WATCH IT AT HOME.
THIS BOARD IS AN ADVISORY TO THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS, AND OUR DECISION ARE RECOMMENDATIONS WHICH WILL GO TO THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSION FOR A FINAL DECISION.
THERE ARE TWO MEETINGS THIS MONTH FOR THE COUNTY COMMISSION, ONE MAY 10TH A WEEK FROM TODAY, AND MAY 24TH, WHICH IS THREE WEEKS FROM TOPPED AND AS WE GO TO EACH ITEM WE WILL LET YOU KNOW WHICH MEETING THOSE ITEMS WILL BE HEARD.
I'VE ALREADY GOT A NUMBER OF COMMENT CARDS UP HERE BUT IF THERE IS AN ITEM YOU WANT TO SPEAK ON THERE IS SOME COMMENT CARDS IN THE VESTIBULE. IF YOU FILL IT OUT AND BRING IT UP WE WILL MAKE SURE THAT YOU GET HEARD.
HOUSEKEEPING WE JUST ASK THAT PEOPLE YOUR CELL PHONE ON SILENT F. YOU DO NEED TO TAKE A CALL, PLEASE STEP OUTSIDE, AAND WHEN E OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING, EVERYONE WILL HAVE 3 MINUTES TO SPEAK. WE WILL HAVE A TIMER ON THE PODIUM. WHEN THE RED LIGHT GOES ON, YOUR TIME IS UP. ONCE WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, THE BOARD MAY DISCUSS THIS BUT THE PUBLIC HEARING IS OVER. IF YOU WISH TO LEAVE AFTER A PARTICULAR ITEM, YOU MAY DO SO BUT PLEASE TRY TO DO IT QUIETLY.
FOR THOSE PEOPLE -- ARE THERE PEOPLE HAVEN'T ATTENDED ONE OF THESE HEARINGS BEFORE? SOME.
JUST A QUICK ORDER OF DISCUSSION FIRST THING WE WILL HAVE THE STAFF GIVE US A REPORT. WE MAY ASK QUESTIONS.
WE WILL HAVE THE APPLICANT BRING FORTH THEIR ARGUMENT.
WE WILL HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT AND THEN WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, AND MAKE A DECISION. WITH THAT WE CAN MOVE INTO OTHER
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AGENDA FOR TONIGHT. FIRST ITEM OF BUSINESS IS APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FROM LAST MONTH.ARE THERE ANY CONNECTIONS OR DISCUSSION OR CAN I HAVE A MOTION? OKAY, MR. NORTON AND MR. DAVIS.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? >> ONLY COMMENT THE MINIMUM ARE
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EXCELLENT. VERY THOROUGH.>> AS THEY ARE EVERY MONTH. THANK YOU.
SO WITH THAT, I'LL CALL THE QUESTION, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF APPROVING THE MINIMUMS AYE? OPPOSED? I'M GOING TO OPEN THE FIRST PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD.
THIS IS A PUN COMMENT PERIOD WHERE YOU CAN SPEAK ABOUT ANYTHING YOU WANT THAT MIGHT BE GERMANE TO THIS BORE BUT DOESN'T APPLY SPECIFICALLY TO ANY OF THE ITEMS ON THE AGENDA IT'S SOMETHING WE DO? CASE SOMEONE WANTS TO TALK SO I OPEN THAT DON'T HAVE ANY CARD. I DON'T SEE ANYONE COMING
[1. Public Hearing to Consider REZ 2022-04. (District 5, Comm. Burke) (M. Brown)]
FORWARD SO I'LL CLOSE THAT AND WE WILL MOVE IN OUR PUBLIC HEARINGS. FIRST ONE TONIGHT IS A PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER REZ 2022-04. THIS IS REZONING OF 2.07 ACRES FROM PS 1 PRIVATE SERVICE TO LAKE ASBURY RULE FRINGE MANY YOUHAVE THAT? >> YES MANY MR. CHAIRMAN AN COMMISSION APPLICATION Z 2204 THE APPLICANT IS MR. BARRY BEASLEY AND A. CHAUNCEY. AS YOU INDICATED IT'S AN ZONING CHANGE A SINGLE PARCEL 2.07 ACRES FROM PS-1 TO LAKE ASBURY RURAL FRINGE. THE PARCEL IS UNDEVELOPED PRESENTLY AND LOCATED BETWEEN HENLEY AND WITH FRONT DAMAGE ON RESPONSE AND TRACE AND IS LOCATED IN LAKE ASBURY MASTER PLAN AREA. THAT IS COMMISSIONER BURKE'S DISTRICT, DISTRICT 5. THIS WOULD BE HEARD BY THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS ON MAY 24TH AT 5 P.M. OR SOON OF THAT AS CAN BE HEARD. BACKGROUND THIS IS A VACANT PARCEL IN THE LAKE ASBURY MASTER PLAN.
THE PARCEL WAS REAP ZONED IN 2015 FROM AR-1 TO PS-UNDER ORDINANCE 2015-32. UNDER SECTION 333 BA-1 THE LAKE ASBURY MASTER PLAN, IT REQUIRES THE COUNTY TO REZONE UNDEVELOPED PROPERTIES WITHIN THE LAKE ASBURY MASTER PLAN AREA TO THE BASE ZONING DRINK FOR EACH FUTURE LAND USE.
THIS SUBJECT PARCEL IS LOCATED IN LAKE ASBURY RURAL FRINGE LAND USE. AND THE BASE ZONING FOR THAT LAND USE IS THE LAKE ASBURY RURAL FRINGE ZONING.
AS YOU ARE AWARE, THE COUNTY ADOPTED ORDINANCE 2-48 IN NOVEMBER WHICH PLACED MORE INFORM THAT WOULD INCREASE THE ALLOWABLE DENSITY OF ANY PROPERTY IN THE MASTER PLAN AREA. IT NOW ALLOWS FOR CHURCHES SYNAGOGUES AND TEMPLES WITH RECREATIONAL FACILITIES OWNED BY SUCH CHURCH SYNAGOGUE OR TEMPLE AND ACCESSORY THERE-TO TOGETHER WITH RECTORIES CON CONVENIENTS AND PARSONAGES AND I WILL GET INTO DETAIL IN THIS PRESENTATION WHY STAFF BELIEVES THAT'S IMPORTANT. THIS SLIDE SHOWS YOU THE ZONING AND SURROUNDING ZONING OF THE PARCEL.
IT IS AR-1 TO THE NORTH AN WEST, BA ZONING WHICH IS COMMERCIAL ZONING DISTRICT TO THE SOUPTS AND YOU CAN SEE IT'S PS-1 ZONING AN THERE'S THE OTHER PART SHOWS THE AREA OF THE PARCEL.
GOING BACK TO THE MORATORIUM AND WHY THIS ZONING STAFF BELIEVES IT DOES INCREASE THE ALLOWABLE DEVELOPMENT OPEN THE PARCEL, THE PS-1 ZONING DOES ALLOW FOR A RESIDENTIAL USE ALLOWING TO HOUSE A MEMBER OF THE CLERGY. THE REQUESTED CHANGE TO THE LA ROW FRINGE ZONING WILL ALLOW FOR SINGLE-FAMILY DEVELOPMENT OF
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PARCEL. THE PROPOSED -- AND SO, REALLY FROM STAFF'S PERSPECTIVE, WE HOOK AT WHETHER A RESIDENTIAL UNIT WOULD BE ALLOWED IN OUR DETERMINATION IN EITHER ZONING DISTRICT AND WE BELIEVE IT DOES JUST BASED ON THE OWNERSHIP OF THE PARCEL, WHETHER IT FALLS UNDER THE PS-1 RELIGIOUS OR CLERGY MEMBER HOUSING OR NOT. AS I INDICATED THE PROPOSED RESEASON ZONING BO ALLOW FOR SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENCES BY THE OWNER. THERE A CATCH IN THAT THE LARF ZONING WOULD ALLOW FOR DENSITY OF 1-3 UNITS PER ACRE.WHICH IS POTENTIALLY NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE MORATORIUM BECAUSE ONLY ALTHOUGH IT'S THE PS-1 IS SILENT ON THE NUMBER OF UNITS WE ASSUME THAT IT WOULD BE A SINGLE UNIT FOR THE MEMBER OF CLERGY. STAFF HAS REVIEWED THE APPLICATION AND DETERMINED THE REQUEST IS CAPABLE WITH THE SURROUNDING AREA AND CONSISTENT WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION SO STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL, PROVIDED THAT THERE IS AN AGREEMENT WITH THE APPLICANT THAT ONLY ONE SINGLE-FAMILY DWELLING COULD BE CONSTRUCTED ON THE PARCEL AND THAT IS TO BRING IT CONSISTENT WITH THE MORATORIUM, BECAUSE OF THE ALLOWABLE DENSITY AND THE RF ZONING DISTRICT WITH AN AGREEMENT WITH THE APPLICANT APPLICANT THAT ONLY ONE UNIT COULD BE DEVELOPED WE FIND NOT IN VIOLATION OF THE ORDINANCE PLACEING A MORATORIUM ON INCREASED DENSITY IN THE LAKE ASBURY MASTER PLAN AREA. AND WITH THAT, I'LL ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF, WHICH I'M SURE THERE ARE SOME.
>> QUESTIONS ON THIS ONE? >> I'VE GOT A QUESTION.
THIS AGREEMENT WHEN THE MORATORIUM IS LIFTED DOES THE
IT WOULD -- >> IT CONTINUES ON FOR ETERNITY?
>> IT WOULD REQUIRE THE APPLICANT TO COME BACK AND ASK
FOR A CHANGE. >> IF YOU WANT TO BUILD THREE UNITS THERE PER ACRE YOU WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK AND REQUEST
>> ANYONE ELSE? >> YES, SIR MR. CHAIR.
YOU ANSWERED MY QUESTION ABOUT THE UNITS BECAUSE MY MATH IS PRETTY SIMPLE AND IT WAS SIX UNITS THEY COULD STICK ON THAT TWO ACRE PLUS PROPERTY SO THAT WOULD BE IN VIOLATION MANY CAN YOU EXPLAIN THOUSAND AGREEMENT WOULD BE REACHED? WHAT TYPE OF AGREEMENT, WOULD THAT BE ATTACHED TO THE TITLE?
>> SO, UNDER ARTICLE -- IT'S UNDER ARTICLE X IT WOULD BE A TYPE 3 DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT THAT'S PROVIDED FOR IN ARTICLE X AND IT WOULD BASICALLY LAY ALL THE REQUIREMENTS.
>> COURTNEY IS THAT AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE LAND OWNER AND THE
>> I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION MR. BROWN.
I'M NOT SURE WE CAN ASK THE APPLICANT THIS TOO.
WAS THERE A REASON THAT WE SETTLED ON RULE FRINGE RATHER THAN A.R., WHICH IS COMPLETELY SURROUNDED BY?
>> YES, AND IT'S PRIMARILY BECAUSE OF SECTION 3-33 BA 1 OF THE LAKE ASBURY MASTER PLAN WHICH IS PART OF LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND IT STATES THAT VACANT LAND WITHIN THE LAKE ASBURY MASTER PLAN AREA REQUIRES THE COUNTY TO REZONE UNDEVELOPED PROPERTIES TO THE BASE ZONING DISTRICT FOR EACH LAND USE AND THE LAKE ASBURY RURAL FRINGE IS THE BASE ZONING DISTRICT FOR THAT LAKE ASBURY RURAL FRINGE LAND USE.
>> AND ONE OTHER QUESTION ON THAT.
IN THE FUTURE, IF THEY WANTED TO SUBDIVIDE THIS PARCEL -- BECAUSE I THINK THEY ONLY NEED ONE ACHE TORE MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF RURAL FRINGE. IF THEY WERE TO SUBDIVIDE THIS PARCEL WOULD IT ENCOMPASS TWO LOTS HERE?
>> AGAIN, YES, THERE'S A POSSIBILITY OF THAT.
AGAIN, I MEAN THERE ARE -- IT WOULD DEPEND, GIVEN THAT WHERE
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STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THAT AGREEMENT, IF THAT'S IN PLACE, THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE AMENDED TO ALLOW THAT.>> SO, MS. GRIMM, DOES THAT MEAN THAT THAT AGREEMENT WOULD INCLUDE A CLAUSE THAT SAYS THAT PARCEL MAY NOT BE SUBDIVIDEED.
>> I DON'T THINK WOULD IT SAY THAT.
IT WOULD SAY IF THERE'S GOING TO BE ANY CHANGE IN WHAT YOUR CURRENT ENTITLE WILLMENT BE IT WILL STAY WITH RURAL CHINK BUT ANY CHANGE IN THE ENTITLEMENT IT HAS TO COME BACK THROUGH THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THE BOARD.
>> THEY WANT TO SUBDIVIDE IT THEY HAVE TO COME THROUGH AGAIN.
>> WELL THAT WOULD BE A REQUIREMENT BECAUSE IF THEY WERE SUBDIVIDING FOR GREATER THAN ONE RESIDENTIAL HOME YES.
>> OKAY. ANYONE ELSE HAVE QUESTIONS? THANKS. IS THE APPLICANT HERE? YOU WANT TO COME UP AND HAVE YOUR STATEMENT?
JUST GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. >> BARRY BEASLEY.
>> WAIT UNTIL YOU GET TO THE MIC.
>> BARRY BEASLEY, [ADDRESS] FLORIDA, 3206.
>> ANYTHING WANT TO -- >> TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, OF COURSE AS LONG AS I HAVE IT IT WON'T BE SUBDIVIDED BECAUSE I'M GOING TO USE THE WHOLE TWO ACHERS MANY I'M GOING TO HAVE MY HOME ON ONE SIDE AND PROBABLY A POLE BARN ON THE BACK PART.
>> I HAVE NO INTENTION. I DID IN THE BEGINNING.
I CAN'T PUT EVERYTHING I WANT THERE ON ONE ACHOR LAND AND BE
COMFORTABLE. >> OKAY SO IT'S NOT TO BE SUBDIVIDED. IT'S GOING TO BE LEFT WITH TWO
DOES ANYBODY HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT AT ALL? I JUST HAD ONE QUESTION. WERE YOU THE SAME OWNER WHEN
THIS WAS CHANGED TO PS-1? >> NO, SIR.
>> YOU BOUGHT IT? >> I BOUGHT IT FROM HIM.
>> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, SIR.
I'M GOING TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS ONE.
I DON'T HAVE ANY CARDS AND I DON'T SEE ANYBODY APPROACHING THE NIKE MICROPHONE SO I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING BRING
IT BACK FOR DISCUSS OR MOTION. >> MOTION TO APPROVE.
>> SECOND. >> WE HAVE A MOTION FROM MR. NORTON, SECOND BY MS. [INAUDIBLE]
>> DOES THE MOTION INCLUDE STAFF'S PART OF THE
ALL IN FAVOR STATE AYE. ANY OPPOSED? OKAY. THAT ONE WILL COME UP ON THE 24TH AT COUNTY COMMISSION, SO AT 5:00.
[2. Public Hearing to Consider LDC 2022-02. (District 5, Comm. Burke) (M.Brown)]
ALL RIGHT, THE NEXT ONE IS A TEXT AMENDMENT TO ARTICLE III OF THE LDC TO ALLOW SPECIFIED DRIVE-THRU USES IN THE LAKE ASBURY VILLAGE CENTER ZONING DISTRICT.AGAIN I GUESS YOU HAVE ALL OF THESE.
>> THE LAST TWO I DON'T. >> OKAY.
>> LDC-2202 THE APPLICANT IS MR. FRANK MILLER WITH GUNS T. R LAW FIRM, AND AS INDICATED IT'S A REQUEST TO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE TO ALLOW SPECIFIED DRIVE-THRU USES WITHIN THE LAKE ASBURY VILLAGE CENTER ZONING DISTRICT.
THIS REQUIRES TWO HEARINGS WITH THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS SO IT WOULD BE HEARD ON MAY TENTH AND THEN AGAIN FOR ADOPTION ON MAY 24TH. JUST A BRIEF OVERVIEW.
PRESENTLY THE LAKE ASBURY VILLAGE CENTER ZONING DISTRICT PROHIBITS DRIVE-THRU USES THE ORIGINAL INTENT OF THE VILLAGE CENTER ZONING WAS FOR COMMERCIAL USAGE TO BE IN A COMPACT WALKABLE FORM ACCESSIBLE BY SIDEWALK.
THE ONLY ZONING DISTRICT WITHIN THE LAKE ASBURY MASTER PLAN THAT DOES ALLOW CERTAIN DRIVE-THRU USES IS THE LAKE ASBURY ACTIVITY CENTER. THE APPLICANT HAS REQUESTED AN AMENDMENT TO ALLOW FOR DRIVE-THRU USES FOR DELICATESSENS AND SIT DOWN FASTFOOD RESTAURANTS FARM SIPS LAUNDRY DRY CLEANING AND BANKS WITHIN THE LAKE ASBURY VILLAGE CENTER. ONE THING THAT WE ALL REALIZE THE PAST COUPLE YEARS WITH ALL THE HEALTH ISSUES AND VIRUSES THERE HAS BEEN A HIM CHANGE AND A LOT MORE PEOPLE, PEOPLE ARE LESS COMFORTABLE WALKING HAND GOING IN PLACES IN PUBLIC AND WE BELIEVE THAT THE APPLICANT BELIEVES THAT THERE IS A DESIRE AND NEED TO EXPAND SOME OF THE DRIVE-THRU USES, ESPECIALLY IN
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THE LAKE ASBURY VILLAGE CENTER AREA.HERE IS IN READ THE PROPOSED CHANGES TO THE CODE AND AGAIN, IT JUST INCLUDES, ALLOWS IT FOR FAST FOOD RESTAURANTS, DRIVE-THRUS FOR PHARMACIES, DRY CLEANERS AND BANKS.
STAFF HAS REVIEWED THE PROPOSED CHANGE AND IS RESPONSIVE OF THE RECOMMENDED CHANGES. STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL AS SET FORTH ABOVE OR IN THE PREVIOUS SLIDE.
ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF AT THIS POINT?
THIS IS ALL THE VILLAGE CENTER; IT'S NOT JUST THE STUFF LONG
LKE HENLEY ROAD, RIGHT? >> YES, IT WOULD BE ALL THE VILLAGE CENTERS WITHIN THE LAKE ASBURY MASTER PLAN THAT THE WOULD ALLOW -- THOSE USES WOULD BE ALLOWED.
>>CHY THINK WHEN LAKE ASBURY PLAN WAS DONE THE IDEA WAS TO HAVE KIND OF A ROW OF SHOPS CLOSE TO THE STREET, HENCE NO DRIVE-THRUS SO THIS IS IN ESSENCE GOING TO PUSH THE STUFF BACK, PUT PARKING LOTS IN THERE AND A LOT OF SEPARATE LITTLE BUSINESSES LIKE WE SEE EVERYWHERE ELSE?
>> IT HAS THE POTENTIAL TO DO THAT.
IT'S NOT A GIVEN. I MEAN IT'S ONLY LIMITS TO THOSE USES, SO OTHER USES WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED IF THEY'RE NOT SPECIFIED IN THAT, IN THIS CHANGE WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO HAVE DRIVE-THRU SO FOR THOSE USES IT COULD BE PUSHED BACK BUT WE STILL HAVE OTHER -- THERE ARE STILL OTHER LOCATIONAL AND ARCHITECTURAL AND SITING STANDARDS BETWEEN LAKE ASBURY PLAN WHICH EVEN THOSE USES IF THEY HAVE DRIVE-THRU WE WILL HAVE TO MEET SO I THINK A LOT OF THAT SOME OF THAT CONCERN WILL
BE OFF SET BY THOSE STANDARDS. >> WE KIND OF ADDRESSED THIS ISSUE LAST MONTH THROUGH THE PUD PROCESS.
AND YOU'RE THINKING OF CHANGING THE WHOLE MASTER PLAN IS A
BETTER SOLUTION HERE? >> STAFF CAN SUPPORT THE CHANGE.
THAT MAY BE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT.
>> OKAY. >> BUT STAFF CAN SUPPORT THAT, SUPPORT THESE CHANGES FOR ALL OF THE VILLAGE CENTERS.
>> OKAY. ANYONE ELSE? SEEING NONE, APPLICANT MR. MILLER?
>> MY NAME IS FRANK MILLER. MY ZRES [DRESS] JACKSONVILLE.
THE ON ACTIVITY IN LAKE ASBURY IS KIND OF CENTRAL WHERE THE FIRST COAST CONNECTOR INTER SECTION WITH FIRST COAST EXPRESSWAY. IT'S KIND OF SMACK-DAB IN THE MIDDLE OF THE COUNTY. YOU CAN PULL THE MAP AND SEE A VILLAGE CENTERS WHO DATED AROUND LAKE ASBURY AND WHAT WE WOULD SUGGEST AND WHY WE ARE PROPOSING THIS IS THESE HIM CENTERS ARE GOING TO DRAW COMMERCIAL USES FOR THEIR PURPOSE AN THESE DAYS, EVERY PHARMACY THAT GETS BUILT HAS A DRIVE-THRU.
ALMOST EVERY DRY CLEANER HAS A DROOIPTH AN -- DRIVE-THRU AND MOST FASTFOOD RESTAURANTS AND COFFEE IS HOSPITALS HAVE A DROOIPTH CANNED IF YOU RESTRICTIONS THOSE IN ALL THOSE HIM VILLAGE CENTERS THEY'RE NOT GOING TO GO THERE.
YOU'RE GOING TO BE LIMITED TO WHAT CAN BE BUILT IN THE ACTIVITY CENTER SO YOU'RE DEFEATING YOUR PURPOSE OF TRYING TO LIMIT THE TIME IN CARS BECAUSE THEY'LL BE GOING THROUGH THE DRIVE-THRU AND THE ACTIVITY CENTER AN NOT TO THEIR LITTLE VILLAGE CENTER ALL AN BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT ADDITIONAL PARKING YOU GOT TO WALK IN SO I THINK THERE WERE SOME WHO WERE SURPRISED MEANING ON THE COUNTY SIDE THAT DRIVE-THRUS WERE NOT
ALLOWED IN THE VILLAGE CENTERS. >> ANY QUESTIONS?
[INAUDIBLE] >> THE WHOLE INTENT WAS TO HAVE A COMPACT WALKABLE FORM ACCESSIBLE BY SIDEWALK.
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NOW WE ARE GOING TO ALLOW CARS TO INTERMINGLE AROUND THIS AREA IN ORDER TO GET TO THE DRIVE-THRUS AND THAT SORT OF THINK WILL THERE BE SUBSETS WHERE THEY CAN HAVE ACCESS TO IT? I'M JUST CONCERNED BECAUSE THE WHOLE POINT OF THIS WAS TO CREATE AN ENVIRONMENT WHERE SOFRPT OF WHAT WE SEE IN TOWN CENTERS LIKE OUT ON OVER ON THE NORTH SIDE WHERE IT IS A WALKABLE AREA THERE.AREN'T ANY DRIVE-THRUS THERE BUT WILL THAT DEFEAT THAT?
>> I CAN'T IMAGINE IT WOULD BECAUSE THESE ARE 18 I BELIEVE 18 ACRE PARCELS, SO YOU'RE NOT GOING TO CHALK THE WHOLE 18 ACRE VILLAGE CENTER WITH DRIVE-THRUS. THERE WILL BE A FEW AND THEY'LL NEED TO BE UP BY THE ROAD BUT BEHIND THAT WILL BE ALL THE WALKABILITY OF IT. I MEAN I THINK THAT WILL STILL AS MIKE SUGGESTED THE OTHER CRITERIA IN THE LAKE ASBURY LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE THAT DEAL WITH WHAT CAN BE BUILT AND HOW IT HAS THROB PROVISIONS IN THERE THAT REQUIRE THE PARKING IN THE REAR PROVISION REQUIRING THE FRONT NOT FACE THE STREET OR I THINK IT'S SUPPOSED TO FACE THE STREET SO YOU'LL STILL HAVE THAT BUT YOU MAY HAVE YOU KNOW, AN OUTPARCEL THAT HAS A DRIVE-THRU UP FRONT THAT WENT TO INTERFERE WITH THAT.
>> IN THE DESCRIPTION IT SAYS THE SPECIFIC USES WOULD BE DRIVE-THRU DELICATESSEN, FAST FOOD PHARMACIES ET CETERA AND YOU GO DOWN TO SECTION B ZONING DISTRICTS AND YOU HAVE PER MID USES IN THERE THIS OPENS UP QUITE A BIT.
WHAT DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH THE CHANGES THAT ARE BEING MADE TO THE TOP PORTION OF THIS? I CAN GO EITHER WAY.
>> I'LL LET MIKE TAKE A SHOT AT IT.
I DON'T THING IT CHANGES THE USES.
>> THERE'S A LOT OF STUFF IN HERE LIKE COLLEGES, RESTAURANTS, PLACES OF WORSHIP. I DON'T SEE THEM HAVING DRIVE-THRUS TO BE ONES. THE DRIVE-THRUS WOULD ONLY BE
ALLOWED ON THOSE SPECIFIC USES. >> THAT WERE LISTED.
>> YES. IT DOESN'T MAKE EVERY ALLOWED -- THIS CHANGE WOULDN'T ALLOW DRIVE-THRUS FOR EVERYTHING.
IT ONLY ALLOWS IT FOR THOSE SELECTIVE USES THAT ARE
IDENTIFIED. >> THAT ARE IDENTIFIED IN THE
TOP PART IN THE DESCRIPTION. >> BASICALLY UP THERE.
>> THAT'S WHAT WAS CONFUSING. >> THOSE WIF THE RED BEFORE OR AFTER THE RED WOULD BE THE ONLY USES WHICH COULD UTILIZE
DRIVE-THRUS. >> IN THE PROPOSED USES I DEFINITELY SEE THE NEED FOR THIS AND I KNOW JUST TO BOUNCE OFF OF PETE'S QUESTION THERE THERE'S A LOT OF MOMS THAT ARE DOING THEIR ERRANDS DURING THE DAME TIME AND THEY HAVE 2, 3, 4 KIDS AND IF THEY HAVE TO PARK TAKE THEIR KIDS OUT OF THE CAR GO INTO A PLACE OF BUSINESS I THINK THIS WOULD BE A LITTLE MORE VIOLENT FOR THEM TO BE ABLE TO PICK UP ORDERS AND THINGS LIKE THAT WITHOUT HAVING TO DRAG THEIR KIDS ALL OVER THE PLACE SO I
WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF THIS. >> ANYBODY ELSE HAVE QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT? THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU. >> I'M GOING TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING UP HERE. I DON'T HAVE ANY CARDS ON THIS ONE EITHER. DOES ANYBODY WANT TO COMMENT ON THIS ONE? SEEING NONE I'M GOING TO CLOSE THIS AND BRING IT BACK FOR A MOTION.
>> I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE. >> SECOND.
>> OKAY, WE HAVE A MOTION AN MISS BRIDGMAN WITH THE SECOND.
IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? >> NO, SIR.
>> THE ONLY COMMENT I WOULD MAKE AND I THINK I MADE IT IN MY QUESTION IS I DO HAVE A CONCERN ABOUT A WHOLE LOT OF DRIVE-THRU TRAFFIC WHICH BECOMES VERY INHOSPITALABLE.
THERE'S A BIG NEWS THE OTHER DAY STARBUCKS GOT HIT WITH A SETTLEMENT BALLS PEDESTRIANS LA SOMEBODY GOT HURT.
IT'S NOT THE USES. IT'S THE WAY THEY'RE DONE THAT CONCERNS ME. YOU SEE THIS A LOT WITH SOME STRIP CENTERS WHERE THE ONE UNIT ENDS OF THE CENTER HAS A DRIVE-THRU DRY CLEANER OR SOMETHING BUT I'M AFRAID THIS OPENS THIS UP TO A WHOLE BUNCH OF STAND-ALONE BUILDINGS WITH CARS GOING EVERYWHERE. SO THAT'S JUST MY COMMENT.
IT'S NOT A BAD IDEA. I DON'T THINK IT'S RESTRICTIONSIVE ENOUGH IS MY POINT.
ANYTHING ELSE? >> I JUST WANT TO COMMENT,
RALPH. >> SINCE I DIDN'T GET A CHANCE TO DISTRIBUTES YOU EARLIER. SHARICE IS OUR DIRECTOR WHAT IS
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YOUR TITLE? DIRECTOR ECONOMIC SERVICE.>> ASSISTANT COUNTY MANAGER. JUST WHICH EVER.
I WANT TO MAKE A QUICK COMMENT THIS IS ONE OF OUR NEWEST AREAS THAT HAS LAKE ASBURY HOME CITIZENS ADVISORY COMMITTEE MANY THEY DID NOT HEAR THESE ITEMS YET.
THEY WERE KIND IN THE PROCESS OF BEING BUILT WHEN ALL THIS APPLICATION STARTED SO JUST FYI, THEY WILL HEAR IT I THINK IT'S IN THE NEXT TWO WEEKS. IT'S BEFORE IT COMES BACK TO THE BOARD, SO IF THEY DO HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR RECOMMENDATIONS IT WILL BE, THEY WILL BE GIVEN BEFORE THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS MEET ON THIS ON THE 24TH I GUESS IT IS.
BUT THEY WERE STILL IN THE PROCESS OF GETTING TOGETHER SO THEY HAVEN'T HAD A MIGHTING SINCE THIS HAS BEEN IN THE WORKS I GUESS I SHOULD SAY. JUST FYI.
>> GIVEN THAT, I WOULD ALMOST REQUEST CONTINUANCE ON THIS TO ALLOW US TO HEAR IT RATHER THAN HAVE IT BYPASSED.
>> THEY WERE NOT TOTALLY BUILT OUT WHEN WE STARTED THIS APPLICATION. AND THAT'S WHY WE FELT COMFORTABLE MOVING FORWARD, LET THEM HAVE THEIR MEETING.
I THINK IT'S ON THE 11TH, DON'T QUOTE ME ON THAT, IF THEY HAVE COMMENTS THEY CAN MAKE THEM TO BCC.
FOLLOW THAT SINCE THEY ARE NOW IN FULL SWING THEY WILL HAVE THEIR SAY BEFORE COMING TO YOUR GUYS MEET.
>> SO THEY HAVEN'T HAD THEIR FIRST MEETING YET.
>> THEY HAD AN. >> ORGANIZATIONAL MEETING.
>> AND ORGANIZATIONAL MEETING THEY HAVE HAD THAT, YES, SIR.
>> WELL, THERE'S TWO HEARINGS ON THIS, THE 10TH SO THEY'RE GOING TO MISS WHEN THE BOARD HEARS THIS ON THE 10TH.
>> I THINK THEY'RE MEETING ON THE 11TH.
I THINK THAT'S THE DAY. THEY WILL MEET.
THERE IS A DATE OPEN THE BOOKS PRIOR TO THE 24TH SO GUARANTEED.
YOU'RE WELCOME TO MAKE A MOTION IF YOU WANT.
SO WE WILL TAKE A VOTE ON THAT AND THAT'S TO DO THE STAFF REPORT, WHICH IS A RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE THESE CHANGES. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR STATE AYE.
OPPOSED? AND THE CHAIR VOTES NOE.
DOWN WANT TO MAKE YOUR MOTION? >> I WOULD MOVE THAT WE CONTINUE
THIS UNTIL THE NEXT MEETING. >> OKAY.
>> SECOND FROM MR. BOURRÉ. ANY DISCUSSION? ALL RIGHT. SEEING NONE, ALL KNOWS -- THOSE IN FAVOR OF CONTINUING. YOU WANT TO TAKE A VOTE.
>> I WAS GOING TO ASK IF THE APPLICANT HAS INTEREST IN CONTINUING IT. YOU'VE GIVEN US A VOTE.
>> ARE YOU AGAINST A KWOONS? >> WE ARE, BECAUSE WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD WITNESS. I WOULD COMMIT TO TRY TO ATTEND THE MEETING OF THE COMMUNITY TO HEAR WHAT THEY HAVE TO SAY AND THE MEETING ONE WEEK FROM TONIGHT IS A FIRST READING.
IT'S AVAILABLE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT BUT THERE'S NO PRESENTATION AT THAT MEETING. THE MEETING ON ADOPTION OF THIS OR REJECTION OF IT WOULD BE I BELIEVE IT'S THE 24TH.
QUESTION. SO WE HAD A 3-3 VOTE.
THAT'S A NOE. >> IT'S A DENIAL.
>> THE APPLICANT WOULD LIKE TO MOVE IT FOR.
WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR TO CONTINUE IT.
IF WE GO AHEAD AN SEND TO IT THE BOARD DOES THAT GO THROUGH AS A
NEGATIVE RECOMMENDATION? >> WELL IT WILL GO THROUGH AS NOT APPROVING THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION.
>> OKAY. >> THAT'S WHAT YOUR MOTION WAS, A MOTION TO APPROVE. RIGHT? THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION, AND THAT FAILED.
>> OKAY. >> POINT OF ORDER DID WE HAVE A
>> OKAY, THANK YOU. >> I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU THE OPPORTUNITY TO WITHDRAW IT IF YOU WANT TO LIT IT GO TO THE
BOARD. >> I WILL, I'LL WITHDRAW IT.
>> OKAY, SO IN THAT CASE THE MOTION TO RECOMMEND FAILS AND IT
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WILL GO TO THE BOARD WITH SUCH. OKAY.[3. Public Hearing to consider REZ-2022-03 (District 1, Comm. Cella) (M. Brown)]
ALL RIGHT, ITEM NUMBER 3, WHICH IS A PARCEL ON CANOVER ROAD.MR. BRAND YOU HAVE INFORMATION. >> YES, MICHIGAN CHAIRMAN YOU CONTINUED THIS. THIS WAS CONTINUED LAST MONTH.
FOR GIVING THE APPLICANT AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET WITH THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE. THEY DID -- THEY ARE STILL WORKING OUT SOME ITEMS ESPECIALLY FLEMING ISLAND COMMITTEE DESIRED TO SEE A SITE PLAN, WHICH THE APPLICANT HAS PREPARED BUT THEY HAVE NOT PROVIDED THAT TO THEM YET SO THE APPLICANT IS ASKED FOR A VOTE TO CONTINUE TO NEXT MONTH SO THAT THEY CAN COMPLETE THEIR WORK WITH THE FLEMING ISLAND ADVISORY COMMITTEE AND THEN THAT WITH FULL RECOMMENDATION FROM THAT COMMITTEE WOULD ALSO A COMPANY THEM AND YOU ACTING ON THIS
ITEM. >> I AM GOING TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. I KNOW THERE WAS ONE GENTLEMAN HERE AND HE LEFT BECAUSE HE KNEW THIS WAS PROBABLY CONTINUING SO I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND THEN I GET A MOTION TO
CONTINUE THIS? >> MOTION TO CONTINUE.
>> JUNE 7TH. >> OR SOON THERE AFTER TO BE
HEARD. >> AND SECOND FROM MR. DAVIS.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR STATE AYE. OKAY.
[4. Public Hearing to consider LDC-2021-14. (M. Brown)]
THAT ONE IS 6-0. NEXT ONE, ITEM 4.MR. BROWN YOU HAVE THIS ONE. >> YES MANY MR. CHAIRMAN, THIS IS CODE CHANGE 21-14. AGAIN, THIS WAS ONE THAT WAS CONTINUED LAST MONTH. AT A REQUEST BY THE APPLICANT THE REQUEST IS A PROPOSED CHANGE TO SECTION 3-5 AM OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE PERTAINING TO MINI WAREHOUSE CONDITIONAL USE CRITERIA. THE PROPOSED CHANGES ARE BOTH TO SINGLE STORY AN MULTI-STORY MINI WARE WAREHOUSE. THIS IS EXHUMED TO BE HEARD BY THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS AT THE FIRST READING ON MAY 10TH AND THE SECOND READING ON MAY 24TH.
THERE HAS BEEN NO CHANGES TO ANY OF THE PROPOSED WORDING BY THE APPLICANT SINCE THE LAST MEETING, SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT ME TO GO INTO ANY DETAIL ON THOSE.
IT'S THE EXACT SAME THING YOU CONSIDERED LAST MONTH PRIOR TO THE CONTINUATION TO THAT CONTINUATION.
>> DOES ANYBODY NEED MR. BROWN TO GO THROUGH WHAT HE HAD
BEFORE? >> I JUST WOULD OFFER THAT FOR THE BETTERMENT WE HAVE GOT A GOOD GROUP OF FOLKS HERE BUT IT MAY BE GOOD TO DO A SUMMARY FOR THE PUBLIC.
I WOULDN'T GET INTO NECESSARILY ALL THE HOLLYWOOD BUT I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD FOR EVERYBODY TO HEAR IT.
>> AGAIN, JUST QUICK OVERVIEW, MINI WAREHOUSES ARE ALLOWED AS CONDITIONAL USE AND BB-1,BB-2 BRANDON FIELD ACTIVITY CENTER AND LAND IN INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENTS.
WE TRIED THE -- TO PROVIDE A COPY.
THIS IS A CHANGE TO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AN NOT A REZONING FOR ANY PARCEL. THE PROPOSED CHANGES COULD AFFECT A NUMBER OF PARCELS WITHIN THE COUNTY EARMARKED FOR ANYONE SINGLE PARCEL. SO, A NUMBER OF THE PROPOSED CHANGES ARE FOR CLARIFICATION AND TO MORE CLEARLY STATE THE REQUIRED CONDITIONS. THERE ARE SOME SUBSTANTIVE CHANGES PROPOSED AND THE SUBSTANTIVE CHANGES DO INCLUDE THE MAXIMUM SIZE ACREAGE OF THE SITE THAT A MINI WEAR HOUSES COULD BE PLACED ON, THE MAXIMUM INTENSITY, CHANGES TO THE ACCESS, BUFFERING AND SETBACKS AND OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENTS.
THAT'S WITHOUT GOING INTO A LOT OF DETAIL ON SPECIFIC CHANGES THAT'S A QUICK SUMMARY. IS THAT OKAY?
>> THAT'S FINE WITH ME. >> WORKS FOR US.
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THE APPLICANT, MR. SCRUBE. >> I'M AN ATTORNEY WITH THE ROGERS DAUGHTERS LAW FIRM JACKSONVILLE 1301 RIVER PLACE BOULEVARD. WE HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH STAFF FOR SEVERAL MONTHS AND WITH YOU AS WELL.
THIS FAIRLY DENSE PIECE OF LEGISLATION.
THERE'S QUITE A FEW CHANGES AND AS I SAID, WE BEGAN THIS PORTER GOSS WORKING WITH STAFF AND WE'VE MOST RECENTLY HAD AND COMMUNITY MEETING ON FLEMING ISLAND PROBABLY 60 OR 70 PEOPLE IN TEN ATTENDANCE. THAT THE A ROUGH GUESS.
WE GOT A LOT OF FEEDBACK FROM THAT AND WE HAVE BEEN WORKING TO REACT TO THAT APPROPRIATELY AS WELL AS TOE YOUR CONCERNS AN COMMENTS. WE ARE WORKING ON AT THE MOMENT A MAP BECAUSE SOME. COMMENTS THAT CAME FROM THIS COMMISSION WERE CONCERNS ABOUT WHAT OTHER PROPERTIES WOULD BE AFFECTED BY THIS CHANGE IN CONNECTION WITH THE ARTERIAL ROAD CHANGE. SO, I THOUGHT THAT WAS A FAIR COMMENT. IT'S DIFFICULT UNDERTAKING AND AS I SAID WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON GETTING YOU A READABLE MAP SO YOU CAN SEE WHAT PARCELS THAT ARE CURRENTLY NOT ON AN ARTERIAL WOULD THEN BECOME ELIGIBLE. OKAY, AND I WOULD LIKE TO WHITTLE THAT DOWN TO UNDEVELOPED PARCELS IF I COULD SO IN THAT VEIN WHAT WE ARE ASKING FOR INSTEAD OF PUSHING IT FOR A MONTH, WE ARE ASKING TO YOU CONTINUE THIS TO THE JULY CYCLE.
AND THAT WILL GIVE US THE ROOM WE NEED TO PURSUITS THIS MAP THAT I THINK WILL BE USEFUL HOWEVER I AFFECTS YOUR DECISION AN LIKEWISE COME IN WITH CHANGES THAT WE THINK MANY ADDRESS SOME OF THESE CONCERNS THAT WE'VE HEARD FROM YOU AN ALSO FROM OUR COMMUNITY MEETING WHICH I SAID WAS BACK ON APRIL 13TH SO THAT'S OUR REQUEST THAT UP CONTINUE THIS TO THE JULY CYCLE,CHY SAID WILL GIVE US SOME MORE ROOM TO WORK ON THIS PROBLEM.
>> OKAY. THANK YOU MR. SCRUBE.
I'M GOING TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
I HAVE CARDS ON. THIS NO PARTICULAR ORDER, JUST CALL THEM. MIKE HAVE YOU GOT THE TIMER? THE FIRST ONE I HAVE IS DA DANIEL --
>> I WANT TO HEAR YOU SAY IT. >> JI-SU ANDI SKY? AFTER HIM PLEASE YOUR NAME AND DRESS.
>> DANIEL [NAME] [ADDRESS], THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THIS DEMOCRATIC FORUM FOR US TO SPEAK OUR MIND HERE.
I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT THIS HAS BEEN THIS ISSUE SPECIFIC TO A SPECIFIC LINE IN FLEMING SHOT DOWN 3 TIMES GOING THROUGH THE PROPER COURSES OF ACTION FOR VARIANCE AN REZONING SO THERE'S GOOD LEGISLATION IN PLACE TO MAKE A CHANGE THAT CAN BE EXAMINED AT A MUCH MORE MICROVIEW AND CAN BE ASSESSED AS A SINGLE PIECE OF PROPERTY. THIS CHANGE IS WIDE STROKE AND AFFECTS MANY DIFFERENT PROPERTIES THAT WERE JUST BROUGHT UP SO I THINK THAT IS A GOOD IDEA FOR CONTINUATION AND SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE CONSIDERED.
SETBACKS HEIGHT RESTRICTIONS I BELIEVE ARE GOING TO BE HANDLED HERE SHORTLY SO I WANT TO SKIP THAT BUT I DO HAVE A QUESTION.
MR. ADDISON SINCE ONE OF THESE PROPERTIES WERE RIGHT ACROSS FROM FLEDGE ISLAND DOES THE SCHOOL BOARD HAVE AN OPINION OR
STANCE? >> MR. ADDISON IT'S PUBLIC COMMENT. WHEN THE PUBLIC COMMENTS CLOSE
WE WILL ADDRESS THAT. >> SO I RECOMMEND THAT BEING A
>> THANK YOU. SO AGAIN, THIS BROAD STROKE
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APPROACH IS BASICALLY SELF SERVING IN MY OPINION AS PUBLIC COMMENT OF ASH PROPERTIES IS CURRENTLY NOT ZONED FOR THAT- INTENDED USE OF THEIR PREFERRED USE.THE TERM, BUYER BEWARE OR DO RESEARCH BEFORE PURCHASING I BELIEVE DEFINITELY STANDS THROUGH HERE.
THERE'S ALREADY ZONING ASSOCIATED WITH THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT WOULD PROHIBIT THE CONCERNS THAT THE PEOPLE OF THIS COMMUNITY HAVE. SO, GOING THROUGH I WOULD SAY THAT MOVING TO JUST UNDEVELOPED LAND, AND THIS IS A COMMENT UNPREPARED BUT I DO SEE AN ISSUE WITH THAT.
IF THERE'S A SINGLE PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT HAS BEEN DEVELOPED UNDER CURRENT LAND USE AND NOW THAT LAND USE HAS BEEN EXPANDED, WHAT IS TO PREVENT A SINGLE STORY MINI HOUSE GOING UP TO A POTENTIAL 55 FEET IN THE FUTURE? SO IN CLOSING I WOULD SAY WE ALREADY HAVE GOOD LEGISLATION. WHY CHANGE IT? THERE HAVE BEEN BOARDS THAT SAT BEFORE YOU THAT HAVE DESIGNED HOW THE DENSITY IS TO BE USED AND I FEEL LIKE WE SHOULD LISTEN TO PEOPLE BEFORE US. THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU. >> AFTER WILL BE DEES METIN DAFRN I'M CLAY COUNTY RESIDENT AN WORK AN LIVE OFF COLLEGE DRIVE. I WAS INTRODUCED TO THE COLLEGE AVENUE INITIATIVE THROUGH MY JOB MERCY SUPPORT SERVICES AN I GOT EXCITED ABOUT HEARING WHAT THE COMMUNITY WOULD LIKE TO HAPPEN ON COLLEGE DRIVE. I HAVE 11-YEAR-OLD AND NINE-YEAR-OLD SO THIS EXCITED ME TO BE MORE INVOLVED BECAUSE I WANTED TO SEE IT THRIVE. WE HAD OUR FIRST THROUGH TRUCK NIGHT ON APRIL 22ND, OUR GOAL WAS TO HAVE 1350E78 IN ATTENDANCE AND WE HAVE OVER 350 PEOPLE IN ATTENDANCE ON BEAUTIFUL FRIDAY NIGHT WITH FAMILIES PLAYING ON THE LAWNS OF STATE COLLEGE. WE BELIEVE WITH PEOPLE PLAYING CORNHOLE DANCING AN EATING GREAT FOOD.
MY HEART LEAPED AT THE CULTIVATED ON COLLEGE DRIVE.
WITH THAT I BELIEVE THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE WILL NEGATIVELY IMPACT COLLEGE DRIVER AND WILL BE NEGATIVE . . . ON THE COMMUNITY. COLLEGE DRIVE NEEDS TO BE DESTINATION FOR CLAY COUNTY. HAVING A MINI WEAR HOUSES FACILITY TAKING UP LARGE TRACK OF LAND WILL NOT PROVIDE RESIDENTS AREAS WITH WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE HAPPEN AND MAY POTENTIALLY DECREASE PROPERTY VALUES.
THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU MA'AM.
>> DENNIS MATHENY. >> YES, 1825 B GREEN SPRINGS CIRCLE FLEMING ISLAND, FLORIDA. IT WAS A GOOD MEETING THAT ASH PROPERTIES HAD. I APPRECIATED GOING AND MY WHOLE PURPOSE FOR THE GO WAS TO GET INFORMATION ON WHAT THEY WERE WANTING TO DO. I WOULD LIKE TO THANK RANDALL WHITFIELD AND MR. MASH -- SURE BE.
I COME TONIGHT TO SEE IF THERE WERE ANY CHANGES AFTER THEIR MEETING SO AFTER TALKING TO HIM THIS AFTERNOON BEFORE THE MEETING HE SAID THERE WAS NONE RIGHT NOW, SO I APPRECIATED THAT VERY MUCH AND I THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING PUBLIC COMMENT.
I APPRECIATE THAT. I WAS IN THE MILITARY TO DID I FEND THAT RIGHT AND I APPRECIATE YOU GIVING US THAT.
SO THE ONLY OTHER THING I HAVE TO SAY IS I AM ALSO ON THE MASTER BOARD FOR FLEMING ISLAND PLANTATION AND I'M ALSO ON THE BOARD FOR AUTUMN GLEN, WHICH IS ONE OF THE SUBDIVISIONS IN FLEMING ISLAND PLANTATION SO I'M HERE TO KIND OF SEE IT WAS GOING ON AND I APPRECIATE YOU GIVING ME THE TIME AND I WANT TO THANK ASH PROPERTIES FOR THAT INFORMATION.
>> DO YOU WANT TO STATE PRO FOR AGAINST OR FOR OR JUST MAKE
THOSE COMMENTS? >> I JUST COME HERE TO GET MORE INFORMATION. I LIKE TO MAKE A DECISION ON ALL
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THE INFORMATION BEFORE I SAY ANYTHING.>> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
>> YOU'RE WELCOME. NANCY MCDANIELS.
THEN AFTER NANCY GOING TO BE ALLISON KING.
>> COULD I HAND THESE TO YOU? THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU. MY NAME IS NANCY MACK DANIELS, 1648 SANDY HOLLOW GROUP. I'M HERE TO OBJECT TO THE PROPOSED ZONING CHANGE] NUMBER] ON COLLEGE DRIVE.
I CAME BEFORE YOU IN JANUARY TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF MY NEIGHBORS REGARDING DRAINAGE ISSUES THAT MAY ARISE.
THE LAND WAS CLEAR CUT THE NEXT DAY, INCLUDING ANY BUFFER BETWEEN OUR NEIGHBERHOOD AND THAT PROPERTY.
THE VERY NEXT DAY AFTER IT WAS CLEAR CUT.
SO, WHEN WE GOT THE WATER, GUESS WHAT HAPPENED.
WE GOT MORE FLOODING. IF IT HADN'T BEEN IMPORTANT MR. WANAMAKER AND MS. STEWART WHO CAME TO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD A COUPLE DAYS AFTER THAT PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING SAW OUR ISSUES FIXED SOME OF OUR ISSUES THE WATER COMING FROM THAT CLEAR CUT AREA WOULD HAVE FLOODED US IF THEY HADN'T COME BACK AND DONE THEIR JOB. THIS IS CONFIRMED OUR FEAR MUCH DRAINAGE ISSUES. SEE PICTURE A.
A WAS OUR HIGH AND DRY. THE ONLY PEOPLE IN THE DEVELOPMENT THAT NEVER FLOODED. THIS IS WHAT HAPPENED THE DAY AFTER RAIN. IT'S COMING THROUGH THEIR BACKYARD TO THEIR BACK DOORS. IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE CLAY COUNTY DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY WANTS TO CHANGE THE ZONING IN ORDER TO PUT A SIX STORY MINI WAREHOUSE ON THIS PROPERTY. THAT IS NOT ACCEPTABLE.
DO WE REALLY NEED ON THE STORAGE FACILITY? THERE ARE SEVERAL HALF EMPTY NOW AND I CAN SAY THAT BECAUSE I HAVE CALLED ALL THE STORAGE FACILITIES WITHIN A 10 MILE RADIUS OF THIS PARTICULAR PIECE AND THEY'RE ONLY HALF FULL.
WHY DO WE NEED ANOTHER ONE? THIS END OF COLLEGE DRIVE IS MOSTLY RESIDENTIAL WITH SEVERAL SUBDIVISIONS ON THE LOWER HALF.
THESE INCLUDE NORTH GLEN SOUTH HAM SHOP COLLEGE PARK SANDY WHO WILL OHIO TERROR FARMS AN RESIDENCE OF BRICKYARD ROAD ALL WITHIN THE RADIUS OF DOCTOR'S INLET ELEMENTARY WHICH MEANS ALL THESE CHILDREN MUST OBTAIN RIDES OR WALK TO SCHOOL.
I HAVE TWO GRANDCHILDREN THAT FALL INTO THIS CATEGORY THAT LIVE OFF OF COLLEGE DRIVE. WE ARE ALSO HAVE OF LARGE ALF NEAR COLLEGE AND 220 WITH MOST RESIDENTS NOT HAVING A VEHICLE.
THEY WALK WHERE THEY NEED TO GO. THAT BEING ACCEPTED INCREASED COMMERCIAL TRAFFIC REPRESENTS A DANGER TO THOSE CHILDREN AND ELDERLY WHO USE THIS AREA DAILY. WE DO NOT NEED ANY MORE LORJ BUILDINGS ON THIS ROAD. THE THREE LARGE BUILDINGS IN THE 400 BLOCK OF COLLEGE DRIVE HAVE BEEN MOSTLY TELL IF I FOR YEARS AND ONLY HALF FULL NOW. I SEE MY TIME GOING.
ON PICTURE B YOU SEE WHERE THEY WANT TO PUT IT OUTLINED IN BLUE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. WE WOULD WALK OUT OUR DOORS TO SEE SIX STORIES MANY AGAIN THE BUFFER IS GONE.
THERE ARE NO MORE TREES BETWEEN THIS PROPERTY AND OUR PROPERTY.
THEY KILLED THEM THE DAY AFTER THE COMMISSION MEETING.
WE'VE LIVED HERE A LONG TIME, AND THIS IS WRONG.
AND ON TOP OF THAT ON JANUARY FIRTH WHEN YOU GUYS PASSED US, HOW MANY? FOUR WERE INELIGIBLE TO VOTE YOU TURNED OUT ON 1/1, 22 AND YOU VOTED ON 1/4.
ON 1. 25 YOU ALL WERE REAPPOINTED BUT ON THAT DAY YOU WRNL ELIGIBLE TO VOTE SO THEREFORE IT DIDN'T PASS. AGAIN LONG-TIME RESIDENTS OF CLAY COUNTY. PLEASE TAKE THE TIME FOR THE LONG-TERM RESIDENTS, PLEASE KEEP US IN YOUR THOUGHTS.
WE HAVE LIVED HERE FOR 20-30 YEARS PAYING OUR TAXES.
YOU SHOULD TAKE CONSIDERATION FOR OUR WANTS AND OUR NEEDS.
>> AMAZON KING. >> HI, GOOD EVENING.
>> YOU DON'T NEED TO DO ANYTHING.
>> GOOD EVENING. I THINK MOST OF YOU HAVE RECEIVED AN EMAIL FROM YOU. I APPRECIATE THE DIALOGUE THAT WE'VE HAD AND SOME OPEN DISCUSSIONS ABOUT OUR ISSUE.
I'M HERE ALSO TO OPPOSE ASH PROPERTIES BUILDING A FACILITY ACROSS FROM FLEMING ISLAND HIGH. I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT WE'VE
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HAD A LEVEL PLAYING FIELD AND WHEN THESE DEVELOPERS AND BUSINESSES COME IN WITH BIG MONEY THAT ALLOWS THEM TO GET EVERYBODY TO FIT THEIR NEEDS AND THEIR AGENDA I KNOW WE HAVE AN EXCELLENT BOARD AND COUNTY COMMISSIONERS THAT MANY CONTINUE TO USE SOWN JUDGMENT TO PROTECT OUR COUNTY AND TO KEEP IT BEAUTIFUL AND TO PRESERVE WHAT WE ALREADY HAVE.I MEAN I THINK WE ARE ALL PROUD THAT IT'S CLAY COUNTY AND NOT DUVAL AND WAY DON'T WANT TO SEE THIS TURN INTO A DUVAL.
HOW WOULD THIS BUILDING BENEFIT FLEDGE ISLAND? IT WOULDN'T. THE THEORY THEY ATTEMPTED TO SELL US IN THAT MEETING LAST A STRONGER OPPOSING ARGUMENT F. AN AVERAGE PERSON DOESN'T FREQUENT A STORAGE UNIT, HAVE BEEN OFTEN, AND THAT WAS THEIR POINT ON MINIMAL TRAFFIC, THEN WHY DOES IT NEED TO BE VIOLENT? WE NEED TO KEEP THESE BUILDINGS OFF ARTERIAL ROADS. I JUST WANT TO YOU THINK ABOUT IT. ONE PRISONER GOT OFFENDED WHEN ASKED HOW CLOSE DO YOU LIVE TO A STORAGE UNISNITS 2.8 MILES.
SO IF THEY DON'T BELIEVE IN WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SELL US AN LIVE WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SELL US HAVING A STORAGE UNI-IT IN THEIR OWN BACKYARD THEN THEY DON'T BELIEVE IN IT.
THEY ALSO DURING THAT PRESENTATION TRIED TO ATTEMPT TO SHARE WITH US HOW THEY WOULD DRESS IT UP TO MAKE IT FIT IN.
SAYING GOES YOU PUT LIPSTICK ON A PIG IT'S STILL A PIG.
AFTER THAT MEETING YOU GO HOME TURN ON THE TV AND GUESS WHAT, THE NEW YORK SUBWAY BOMBER AND SHOOTER THE LAST PLACE HE VISITED THE NIGHT BEFORE IS A STORAGE UNIT SO DON'T SAY IT CAN'T HAPPEN TO OUR COUNTY AND WE NEED PEOPLE LIKE TO YOU THINK LONG-TERM AND BROAD SCOPE BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO SEE OUR COUNTY TURN INTO A DISASTER LIKE OUR COUNTIES SURROUNDING US MANY
RONDA JETT AND FOLLOWING HER CONNIE THOMAS.
MY ADDRESS IS ON FILE. I'M AGAINST THE DEVELOPMENT.
I ACTUALLY SIT ON THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE.
WE HAVE PROTECTED THESE CODES IN THE LEGISLATION TO KEEP THIS COUNTY LOOKING LIKE THE COUNTY THAT WE ARE PROUD TO LIVE IN AND CALL HOME. PART OF THE PROBLEM IS THE DEVELOPER KNEW WHAT COULD BE PUT IN THIS PROMPT AND NOW WE ARE CHANGING LEGISLATION OF IT TO NOT ONLY AFFECT THAT BUT THE ENTIRE COUNTY. THAT THE THE BIG ISSUE.
KEEPING MINE SHORT AND SWEET WE NEED ANOTHER STORAGE UNITS LIKE WE NEED ANOTHER CAR WASH. IT'S NOT INFRASTRUCTURE.
IT'S NOT A NECESSITY IN THE THE TOWN HALL THAT THEY PRESENTED WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE WAS BACKED UP AGAINST A HOSPITAL AND THEY SHOWED IT WOULD BE NO TALLER THAN THE HIGH SCHOOL.
WELL, THOSE ARE INFRASTRUCTURES AND THEY BRING A LOT OF POSITIVES TO THOSE COMMUNITIES. I ALSO CALLED ABOUT 8 OF THE STORAGE UNITHAT IT IS WE CURRENTLY HAVE AND ON A GOOD DAY THEY'RE 70 PERCENT FULL AND OF THOSE A GOOD PORTION IS BOAT STORAGE WHICH IS OUT BACK THEY HAVE SO THEY'RE NOT FILLIN THOSE PORTIONS UP. I WOULD HOPE YOU GUYS WOULD TAKE A GOOD LOOK AT THIS AND PROTECT WHAT MAKES CLAY COUNTY CLAY COUNTY. THANK.
>> THANK YOU MA'AM. CONNIE THOMAS.
>> GOOD EVENING. CONY THOMAS OF COLLEGE DRIVE INITIATIVE. I CAME BEFORE YOU I THINK IT WAS IN DECEMBER AND TOLD YOU A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE INITIATIVE AND TALKED ABOUT THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE BEEN WORKING ON AT THAT TIME AS WELL OVER A YEAR FORUMS OF THE COMMUNITY COMING TOGETHER AN DECIDING WHAT DO WE WANT COLLEGE DRIVE TO LOOK LIKE, WHAT DOES THE COMMUNITY WANT AND SO WE CAME UP WITH THOSE THREE ITEMS THAT WE THOUGHT WERE PERTINENT AND FROM THE COMMUNITY AND THEN, NOT LONG AFTER I MET WITH YOU ALL, THEN THE COMMISSIONERS GAVE US A BEAUTIFUL PROCLAMATION ALIGNING WITH WHAT THE INITIATIVE WAS DOING AND WE HAVE BEEN MOVING FORWARD AND AS LAURA MENTIONED WE HAVE HAD A FOOD TRUCK NIGHT.
WE ARE TRYING TO BRING THE COMMUNITY TOGETHER.
WE FEEL THAT COLLEGE DRIVE IS SOMETHING SPECIAL AND YOU KNOW, SHOULD BE TREATED AS SUCH AND WE HOPE TO BE MOVING TOWARD A
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SPECIAL DISTRICT LIKES WERE YOU TALKING ABOUT LAKE ASBURY IN THE NEAR FUTURE BUT SEMI I WANT TO POINT OUT IN THE CLAY COUNTY ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STRATEGIC PLAN OBJECTIVE 6 CLAY COUNTY SHALL INSURE COUNTY POLICIES AND REGULATIONS ARE CONSISTENT WITH AND PROMOTE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OBJECTIVES, DEVELOP PUBLIC UNDERSTANDING AND SUPPORT FOR THE ECONOMY AN ITS CONNECTION TO A SUSTAINED QUALITY OF LIFE ALIGNED COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT ISSUES WITH ECONOMIC EFFORTS. THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO US THAT WE ALL ALIGN TOGETHER AND WE DECIDE THAT THIS INITIATIVE IS WORST SOMETHING AND WE WANT TO MAKE THURSDAY THAT SOMETHING VERY SPECIAL HAPPENS MORE THE ENTIRE SYSTEM OF CLAY COUNTY.THE COLLEGE DRIVE INITIAL TICH RESPECTFULLY KWSZ TO ALLOW FOR STRUCTURES NOT BE ALLOWED WITH [READING] IS NOT PRODUCTIVE ECONOMIC EFFORTS SO WE HOPE YOU WILL TURN THAT AWAY AND ALLOW THE COLLEGE DRIVE INITIATIVE TO BE SOMETHING GREAT FOR OUR CITIZENS TO MOVE FORWARD TO BECOME A SPECIAL DISTRICT AND NOT ALLOW SOMETHING LIKE THIS TO MOVE IN.
WE KNOW THAT ALREADY ON THIS, THE CLAY COUNTY DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY IS ALREADY READY TO PUT IN THAT MINI WAREHOUSE.
WE WERE HOPING THE DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY WOULD BE CREATIVE AN WANT TO WORK ALONG SIDES WITH US AN DO SOMETHING THAT WOULD ENHANCE THE COMMUNITIES AND THE NEIGHBORHOODS.
SO, WE WERE PRETTY MUCH IN SHOCK TO FIND OUT THIS WAS LOOKING TO BE A MINI WAREHOUSE SO I HOPE YOU WILL TURN THAT DOWN EVERY STEP. WAY AND THINK.
COLLEGE DRIVE INITIATIVE. >> THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU MA'AM. I DON'T HAVE ANY CARDS.
DOES ANYONE ELSE WANT TO SPEAK ON THIS BEFORE I CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING? SEEING NONE I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. AS YOU HEARD, THE APPLICANT ASKED IF WE WOULD LOOK AT A CONTINUANCE ON THIS.
ANYBODY HAVE ANY THOUGHTS ON THAT?
>> OKAY. >> SO, I HAVE A MOTION TO DENY THE CONTINUANCE AND A SECOND. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT? NO? ALL RIGHT.
ANY COMMENT? NOT YET? OKAY. THEN I'M GOING TO CALL THAT
QUESTION. >> BEFORE YOU CALL THE QUESTION JUST A COMMENT. IF WE DO LOOK AT A CONTINUANCE FOR TWO MONTHS, WE ARE LOOKING AT TAKING A LOOK AT MAPS THAT ARE AVAILABLE FOR THIS TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT IN THE COUNTY.
I'LL BE HONEST WITH YOU, FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE, I WOULDN'T MIND KNOWING WHAT THAT IS. AND I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF THE CONTINUANCE JUST BASED ON THE RESEARCH THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE THAT WOULD BE PRESENTED TO US BECAUSE THIS IS AN ISSUE HAPPENING NOW BUT THIS ISSUE COULD COME BACK AT US NAME AFTER WHETHER WE APPROVE OR DENY SO IN THAT RESPECT I THINK I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF THE CONTINUANCE FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE.
>> MR. CHAIRMAN, I THINK BEFORE THIS GOES BEYOND LOOKING AT A MAP AS TO WHAT THE AVAILABLE PIECES OF PROPERTY IS, THIS ONE IS BASICALLY TAKING AUTHORITY AWAY FROM THE COUNTY IN ORDER TO REGULATE THIS TYPE OF BUSINESS AND TRY TO CONTAIN IT.
IF IT'S PASSED, IT'S ALL OVER THE PLACE .
THERE IS NO MORE CONTROL. WE HAVE HEARD FROM THREE DFFERENT SESSIONS THIS BEING A THIRD THE SAME DESIRES ON WHAT THEY WANT TO DO. NOTHING HAS CHANGED.
DON'T KNOW HOW A MAP IS GOING TO IMPROVE OUR VISION OF WANTS TO GO CHANGE A COUNTY ORDINANCE TO ALLOW THEM TO PUT THESE THINGS ANY GHIR THEY WANT PROVIDED THE ZONING IS THERE.
>> JUST LAST MONTH AT THE MEETING I DID NOT VOTE FOR IT.
I VOTED AGAINST. >> I APPRECIATE THAT.
>> AT THIS POINT IN TIME I STILL FEEL THE SAME.
MY CONCERN IS IF WE HAVE ANOTHER ISSUE LIKE THIS COME FORWARD WHETHER IT BE THIS PARTICULAR DEVELOPER OR ANOTHER ONE DOWN THE ROAD I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD FOR US TO KNOW WHAT WE ARE DEALING WITH FROM A LAW PERSPECTIVE BECAUSE IF THIS IS DENIED I THINK WE STILL HAVE CONTINGENCIES TOE DENY CERTAIN PROPERTIES BASED ON IT BEING ABLE TO BE USED IN THOSE
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PARTICULAR AREAS SO I DON'T KNOW.THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN SEEING.
AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO AGREE WITH ME.
>> MISS GRIMM. >> I HAVE A QUESTION.
IF THE COMMISSION DENIES THE CONTINUANCE TONIGHT IS THE APPLICANT OR HOW DOES THAT IMPACT THE APPLICANT? OTHER APPLICANTS CAN COME FORWARD AND SEEK SIMILAR THINGS IN THE FUTURE, CAN THEY? I MEAN, I'M ASKING HOW DOES THAT IMPACT THIS APPLICANT OR ANY OTHER IMPACT ON THIS PARTICULAR
ISSUE? >> WELL, DENYING THE CONTINUANCE IS WE WOULD THEN BE FORCED TO TAKE A VOTE ON THE ACTUAL STAFF REPORT, OR THE APPLICANT COULD WITHDRAW.
THAT'S WHERE WE ARE AT RIGHT NOW.
BUT YOU'RE CORRECT THAT ANYBODY AT ANY TIME CAN BRING FORTH AN ITEM FOR THIS COMMITTEE TO LOOK AT.
>> IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THOUGH THAT IF IT'S DENIED MR. CHAIR I APOLOGIZE, IT CAN'T BE BROUGHT BACK FOR SIX MONTHS?
>> NOT EXACTLY. IT COULD COME BACK IN A DIFFERENT FORM POTENTIALLY JUST BECAUSE IT'S A TEXT CHANGE AS
OPPOSED TO ZONING TYPE CHANGE. >> THAT WOULD BE A DENIAL BY BCC
NOT BY US. >> SO HERE'S ONE OF MY CONCERNS AND I WAS GOING TO ADDRESS THIS AT THE END OF THE MEETING JUST AS GENERAL CONVERSATION. MY CONCERN IS THAT THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE IN FLEDGE ISLAND WHO DID NOT KNOW OF THIS CHANGE THAT IT WAS COUNTY-WIDE. THERE WAS NO NOTICE I PASSED THE PROPERTY, THERE WERE NO NOTICES ON THAT PARTICULAR LOT TO SAY THERE WAS GOING TO BE A HEARING ZONING MEETING SO ON SO FORWARDS. WITHOUT INDIVIDUALS IN THE COUNTY KNOWING AND HAVING ALL THESE OTHER LOCATIONS THAT COULD POTENTIALLY BE IMPACTED BY THIS, HOW DO WE GET THIS INFORMATION OUT TO THE PUBLIC SO THAT THEY CAN HAVE THEIR THREE MINUTES?
>> COURTNEY HAS A COMMENT. >> A COUPLE THINGS.
>> OKAY. >> ONE THERE ARE SIGNS BECAUSE AS MR. BROWN SAID THIS IS NOT FOR A PARTICULAR PIECE OF
PROPERTY. >> THAT'S CORRECT THIS IS COUNTYWIDE THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.
>> SO THAT YOU ALL UNDERSTAND, UNDER FLORIDA STATD OUT, YOU ALL KNOW THAT YOUR OBLIGATION AS PLANNING COMMISSION IS TO PROVIDE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE BOARD AND THAN THE BOARD CAN'T HEAR AN ITEM UNTIL YOU PROVIDE A RECOMMENDATION.
HOWEVER THERE IS ONE CAVEAT TO THAT.
SO WHEN YOU KEEP FOLLOWING AN THERE IS A PROVISION IN THE - STATUTE THAT SPECIFICALLY SAYS THAT AFTER YOU'VE HAD AN ITEM FOR OVER TWO MONTHS, WHICH THIS WILL BE YOUR THIRD, THAT THE BOARD CAN TAKE ACTION WITHOUT YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS SO JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW WHEN THIS COMES IN FRONT OF THE BOARD LATER THIS MONTH, THAT THEY COULD MAKE A DECISION TO GRANT A CONTINUANCE
OR TO MOVE ON THE ITEM. >> IS EVERYBODY CLEAR ON WHAT
>> OKAY. >> SO AT THIS POINT WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR TO DENY THE CONTINUANCE.
SO UNLESS SOMEONE HAS COMMENT ON THAT SPECIFIC ISSUE.
DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING? >> WELL I FELT LIKE I NEEDED TO DISCLOSE SOME CONTACTS WITH ME. IS THIS THE APPROPRIATE TIME.
>> IT COULD BE BUT THIS IS LAND USE NOT ZONING SO YOU'RE NOT
ONLY GAITD TO. >> THE APPLICANT'S ATTORNEY CONTACTED ME. COUNTY COMMISSIONER SULLA CONTACTED ME AND ISLAND NUMEROUS EMAILSCHY SUBMITTED TO ZONING THERE. WERE SOME THAT CAME IN RIGHT BEFORE THE MING THAT I ONCE ABLE TO GET OUT AND I HAD A CITIZEN CNTACT ME BY TELEPHONE, MATALIN CHRISTOFOLI STATED HER OPPOSITION. I WANTED TO PLACE THAT ON THE
ANYTHING ILLS OR I'M GOING TO CALL THE QUESTION ON THE CONTINUANCE MANY ALL RIGHT. THE MOTION IS TO DENY A CONTINUANCE. ANYONE THAT VOTES AYE WANTS TO DENY THE CONTINUANCE, SO ALL IN FAVOR OF THAT MOTION STATE AYE.
I'M AN AYE AS WELL. SO THAT'S 5-1.
WITH THAT WE NEED TO MOVE ONTO A RECOMMENDATION TO SEND TO THE
>> SECOND FROM MR. NORTON. >> I'LL SECOND.
>> OKAY. SO, THE MOTION ON THE FLOOR IS
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TO RECOMMEND AGAINST THE STAFF REPORT.THAT IS, TO RECOMMEND AGAINST ANY CHANGES TO THE CURRENT CODE.
I BELIEVE I STATED THAT CORRECTLY.
ALL RIGHT. ALL IN FAVOR OF THAT STATE AYE.
IT'S 6-0. SO MR. SCRUBE, NEXT WEEK, YOU'VE GOT A HEARING AT THE BCC. OR FIRST HEARING.
THIS ONE TAKES TWO. EVERYBODY THAT'S HERE NEXT WEEK ON THE 10TH IS THE FIRST READ AGENT THE BCC.
TWO WEEKS AFTER THAT OR THREE WEEKS FROM TODAY, IT WILL BE THEIR FINAL DECISION UNLESS THEY DECIDE THEY WANT TO CONTINUE IT.
WE HAVE SOME MORE BUSINESS. I KNOW THAT'S WHAT YOU GUYS ARE NOT REALLY HERE FOR THAT SO IF YOU WANT TO GO PLEASE DO SO
[5. Public Hearing to Amend the Land Development Code to Amend Powers and Duties of the BOA]
QUIETLY. ITEM NUMBER 5, PUBLIC HEARING TO AMEND THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE TO AMEND THE POWERS AN DUTIES OF THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT. THE LANGUAGE WILL AMEND THE DUET TOYS CLARIFY THEY HAVE NO AUTHORITY TO ADDRESS LAND USE ISSUES. WHO HAS THIS ONE?SO, AS YOU PROBABLY ALL KNOW WE HAVE A BOARD OF JERUSALEMS AN THAT'S THE BOARD TO WHICH APPLICANTS CAN COME TO TO DO VARIANCES WITHIN THE CODE. SO, A LOT OF THOSE ARE VARIANCES FOR SIT BACKS YOU KNOW FOR PEOPLE WANTING SHEDS OR FENCES, BUILDING THEIR PARTICULAR HOUSE IN A CERTAIN LOCATION.
SO, THE ISSUE THAT HAS COME UP IS IN CONNECTION WITH THAT AUTHORITY AND POWER THAT THEY DO HAVE IS HOW EXPANSION I HAVE SHOULD IT BE. SO IN LOOKING AT THAT WE DID NOTICE THAT OTHER NEIGHBORING COUNTIES DO HAVE SOME RESTRICTIONS ON THAT AUTHORITY. SO, THE PURPOSE OF THIS AMENDMENT IS TO ACTUALLY CLARIFY THEIR POWERS AND DUTIES.
THE PROPOSED LANGUAGE THAT WE HAVE COME UP WITH IS TO MAKE SURE DECISIONS THAT THEY MAKE ARE ONES THAT WILL NOT AFFECT LAND USES AND THE PERFECT EXAMPLE IS IF A PARTICULAR PIECE OF PROPERTY HAS PERMITTED USES AN CONDITIONAL USES THAT IF THEY COME IN FOR A VARIANCE IN CONNECTION WITH THOSE CONDITIONAL USES THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT CAN'T JUST DO AWAY WITH THOSE THAT THEY CAN'T PROVIDE THE VARIANCE FOR THAT PARTICULAR USE. SO, IT'S THE THOUGHT PROCESS THAT THOSE DECISIONS SHOULD BE DECISIONS THAT REMAIN WITH THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS. SO, HERE IS THE ACTUAL LANGUAGE WITH THE STRIKES THROUGH AND THE ADDITIONS FOR THE PROPOSED LANGUAGE. SO THE BIG CHANGES IN PARAGRAPH C WHICH PROVIDES THAT NO SUCH VARIANCE MAY BE GRAND WHICH ALLOWS A USE OF THE PROPERTY CONTRARY TO THE CODE.
THE OTHER CHANGES THAT ARE IN SUBSECTION B AND C ARE TO MAKE IT CLEAR THAT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE ORDINANCE OR THE REGULATIONS THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE SO IT WOULD BE ANY CHANGE WITHIN THAT CODE.
SO THE STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE PROPOSED ADJUSTMENTS
TO -- >> I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR.
SO WHAT WE ARING SAYING IS RIGHT NOW THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT WE ARE JUST TRYING TO STAY THEY PRETTY MUCH WITHIN ZONING
VARIANCES. >> CRAIG, AND I WILL JUST TELL YOU AS AN EXAMPLE THAT BROUGHT THIS UP WAS THERE WAS A STORAGE FACILITY THAT CAME IN AND KNEW THEY DIDN'T COMPLY WITH DID CONDITIONAL USE RESTRICTIONS AND CAME THROUGH THE VARIANCE PROCESS AND OBTAINED A VARIANCE TO HAVE THEIR BUILDING ON 220.
>> WHICH IS NOT AN ARTERIAL. >> RIGHT.
>> ANY YES? ANYBODY BEEN TO ANY OF THOSE MEETINGS? THEY'RE INTERESTING.
KIND OF SUPPORT THIS. >> SO, I DON'T HAVE ANY CARDS ON THIS. THE COUNTY IS THE APPLICANT SO I'M GOING TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
I DON'T SEE ANYONE, NO CARDS, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING
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AND BRING IT BACK FOR DISCUSSION AND MOVE.>> I MOVE TO MOTION. >> SECOND.
>> OKAY, SO THAT'S JOE AND MARY. ALL IN SUPPORT OF THE RECOMMENDATION STATE AYE. OPPOSED? OKAY. THAT ONE IS 6-0.
IF ANYBODY OUT THERE IS WATCHING AND WANTS TO KNOW THIS ONE REQUIRES TWO HEARINGS BEFORE THE BCC THE 10TH AND THE 24TH.
[6. Public Hearing to Consider Transmittal of Proposed Changes to LA TRA Policy 1.1.3]
ITEM NUMBER 6. PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER TRANSMITTAL OF PROPOSED CHANGES TO LAKE ASBURY TRAFFIC POLICY.THE ADEQUATE PUBLIC FACILITIES FEE.
SHARICE HAS THIS ONE. >> ED TWISTED MY ARM SO I CAME UP HERE. GOOD EVENING.
SO, LET'S TALK ABOUT THIS ITEM FOR JUST A SECOND.
WE'VE BEEN DOING A SERIES OF WORKSHOPS WITH THE COMMISSIONERS IN FEBRUARY ON FEBRUARY 22ND WE HAD A PLANNING AN ZONING WORKSHOP ABOUT I DON'T KNOW TWO OR THREE HOURS IN LENGTH, TALKED ABOUT A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS, PROBABLY BE GOOD FOR YOU GUYS TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT OUR TV AND WATCH IT SO OUR RECORDED STUFF BUT ONE OF THE THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT WAS THE LAKE ASBURY AREA AND ONE OF THE ITEMS WAS APF, ADEQUATE PUBLIC FACILITIES SO WE TALKED ABOUT INCREASING THE APF TO INCLUDE CONSTRUCTION COST BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THE LAKE ASBURY APF IS RIGHT OF WAY WHICH YOU'LL SEE UP HERE IN THIS PROPOSED LANGUAGE WE HAVE ADDED THE WORDS AND CONSTRUCTION. OUR OTHER MASTER PLAN DOES HAVE RIGHT OF WAY CONSTRUCTION AND ACTUALLY OTHER THINGS INCLUDED IN THEIR 5 PERCENT APF FEE SO THE DISCUSSION TODAY IS TO MOVE FROM THE 1.35 WHICH IS CURRENT TO AT LEAST 3.38.
STAFF IS STILL DOING A LITTLE BIT OF CALCULATIONS.
WE HAVE OUR STUDY THAT WE'VE HAD FOR OUR MOBILITY FEE STUDY WHICH IS WHERE WE ARE GATHERING A LOT OF THIS INFORMATION FROM SO WE ARE THINKING PROBABLY WE MAY LAND AROUND 3.5 OR 3.8 BUT WE KNOW AT LEAST IT WILL BE 3.38 WHICH IS A VERY CONSERVATIVE GUESSTIMATE SO BASICALLY THAT'S THE PROPOSAL.
YOU SEE THOSE TWO CHANGES IN YELLOW.
IF CAN YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE PLEASE, SIR.
WE ALSO NEED TO GO AHEAD AND CLEAN UP THE DOCUMENT A LITTLE BIT. THE MOBILITY FEE, THE NEW MOBILITY FEES WENT INTO EFFECT FEBRUARY 21,2021 SO THAT'S WERE THOSE DATES ARE CHANGED ON H SLIDE.
ON THIS SLIDE WE WERE JUST CLEANING THAT UP A LITTLE BIT AND WOULD LIKE THE NEW LANGUAGE TO READ THE MOBILITY FEES ORDINANCE PROVIDE FOR EACH DEVELOP TORE CONTRIBUTE TO RIGHT OF WAY AND BUILD A PORTION OF THE ROAD THROUGH THE PROJECT AS WE HAVE SEEN WITH THE CREDITED SYSTEM EFFECTIVE WAY TO PROVIDE FOR THE NECESSARY SYSTEM. THIS NEXT ITEM WE TOOK OUT THIS WHOLE STATEMENT AND ADDED THAT A LITTLE BIT.
I'LL LET YOU READ THAT A LITTLE BIT.
DISCUSSION. AND THIS ITEM, THE MECHANISM FOR PROPERTY OWNERS TO RECEIVE CREDIT IS WITHIN THAT MOBILITY PLAN. HOWEVER, THIS IS THE IMPORTANT PART. THEY CAN ONLY RECEIVE THAT CREDIT AND USE THAT CREDIT IF THOSE ROAD ARE ON OUR MOBILITY FEE LIST SO THERE IS A LIST THAT WAS PART OF THE STUDY.
YOU DO NOT GET CREDIT IF THAT ROAD IS NOT ON THAT LIST BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO BE A BIG ENOUGH ROAD TO BE INCLUDED ON THAT LIST. NEXT.
AND THEN THIS IS, WE HAVE ALREADY ADOPTED THE FORMAL PROCESS WITH THE MOBILITY FEE ORDINANCE.
AND I THINK THIS IS THE LAST ONE.
ALL DEVELOPMENTS MUST PAY THE MOBILITY FEE.
THIS IS ONE WE JUST KIND OF THREW THAT OUT THERE BECAUSE ONE. COMMENTS WE GET IS THAT I GOT THERE QUESTION THE OTHER DAY AND I DON'T EVEN REMEMBER WHERE I WAS. HE'S LIKE IF I GOT TO PAY TO DO MY ONE SINGLE-FAMILY HOME AND DAY THE DEVELOPER FEE HOW DO THE DEVELOPERS GET OUT? THEY DON'T.
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THE ONLY WAY IS IF THEY GET SOME KIND OF CREDIT IF THEY'RE BUILDING A ROAD OR SOMETHING THEY GET CREDIT BUT THEY STILL HAVE TO PAY THAT. LAST ONE.OUR RECOMMENDATION IS WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE TRANSMITTAL. THIS IS JUST TRANSMITTAL SO IT WILL GO TO THE STATE. THEY'LL LOOK IT OVER AND SEE FIT LOOKS LIKE IT SHOULD AND IT WILL COME BACK TO THE BCC FOR
I'M GOING TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND I DON'T HAVE ANY CARDS ON THIS ONE EITHER SO I'LL BRING IT BACK TO THE BOARD FOR DISCUSSION. DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING
I HAVE A REAL CONCERN OVER THIS BECAUSE THIS JUST DROPPED ON FRIDAY AS FAR AS I KNOW. I'VE NOT HAD TIME TO REALLY UNDERSTAND IT, THE MAP BEHIND IT.
IT KIND OF FEELS LIKE AN PACK FEE.
I KNOW IT'S NOT BUT IF IT IS AN PACK FEE IT REQUIRES A STUDY AND RATIONAL NEXUS AND YOU'RE TRIPLEING THE APF JUST IN LACK ASBURY BUT TRIPLING IT AS A MINIMUM SO IN MY OPINION WE NEED TO POSTPONE THE VOTE ON THIS FOR 30 DAYS MANY I'D LIKE TO DIG INTO THIS AND UNDERSTAND IT AND MAYBE BRING SOME FOLKS THAT IT'S GOING TO AFFECT INTO THIS CONVERSATION BECAUSE FINDING OUT ABOUT THIS ON FRIDAY AND VOTING ON IT TODAY I AM EXTREMELY UNCOMFORTABLE. THAT'S MY THOUGHTS.
>> ANYONE ELSE? YOU WANT TO COMMENT AT ALL?
>> IF THAT'S WHAT YOU GUYS VOTE TO DO, THAT'S WHAT WE CAN DO.
I WILL SAY THE BOARD HAS ASKED TO US DO THIS AMONGST A BUNCH OF OTHER THINGS SO YOU WILL SEE A LOT OF THIS COMING HERE IN THE NEXT 3-4 MONTHS WE WILL BE BRINGING A LOT OF CHANGES THAT WERE DISCUSS NUFD THAT FEBRUARY MEETING.
THERE'S STORM WATER STUFF. THERE'S 40 TO THE LOT STUFF SO THERE'S A LOT OF STUFF THAT WILL BE COMING YOUR WAY THE NEXT SEVERAL MONTHS. SO IF THAT'S WHAT YOU GUYS VOTE TO DO AND THE BCC VOTES TO DO AS WELL WE ARE TOTALLY FINE WITH THAT. IT'S SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE ADJUSTED FROM A STAFF PERSPECTIVE.
IT WAS 5 PERCENT ORIGINALLY AND I'M NOT SURE FOR THE MAYBE EVERYTHING THE BEST KNOWLEDGE IT WAS CHANGED BY A PREVIOUS BOARD TO THAT 1.35 PERCENT. AND SO NOW WE ARE TRYING TO RIGHT SIZE THINGS AND GET IT BACK TO WHERE I NEEDS TO BE.
>> SHARICE IF I COULD ASK A QUESTION I THOUGHT THE REASON IT WAS CHANGED THEY REMOVED LIBRARIES PUBLIC SCHOOLS THEY REMOVED A WHOLE BUNCH OF EXPENSES AND THIS JUST BECAME ABOUT ROADS IN LAKE ASBURY AND THAT'S WHY THEY REDUCED IT FROM THE 5 PERCENT TO THE 1.5 PERCENT.
>> HANG ON. MIKE IS GOING TO SHOW US.
NOW JUST TO REMIND YOU THIS IS JUST FOR TRANSMITSAL SO IT'S GOT
TO COME BACK. >> FOR THE TRANSMITTAL IS THERE
A TIMELINE ON? >> TRANSMITTAL IS STEP WHICH I
60 DAYS. >> JUST SO YOU'RE CLEAR SINCE YOU MENTIONED THAT, WE CAN VOTE TO RECOMMEND TRANSMITTAL TO BCC HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO HOLD IT IF THEY WANT.
BUT IF THEY RECOMMEND TRANSMITTAL IT WILL GO TO TALLAHASSEE. IT WILL COME BACK IN ABOUT 45-60 DAYS. WE WON'T SEE IT AGAIN.
THEN THE BCC WILL HAVE AN ADOPTION HEARING TO EITHER ADOPT
IT OR NOT. >> ONE OTHER PIECE I'LL ADD TO THE CONVERSATION WE CONNOLLY TALK ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
THIS IS ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF ADDING ADDITIONAL COST.
THAT'SY JUST WANT TO UNDERSTAND IT IS.
I'M NOT SAYING I WOULDN'T SUPPORT IT ONCE I UNDERSTAND IT BUT I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE MATH BEHIND IT OR HOW IT'S BEING CALCULATED AND I'D LIKE TO HAVE SOME TIME TO DO THAT.
>> RIGHT. SO ED SAYS WEATHER IT SHOWS RIGHT OF WAY CLEARLY BUT I THINK THAT WAS PART OF MR. BOURRÉ'S
COMMENTS. >> HE SAID [INAUDIBLE]
>> ANOTHER'S JUST RIGHT OF WAY. >> AT 1.35 AND HIGHER NUMBER IS
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CONSTRUCTION. >> AND PARTIAL CONSTRUCTION.
>> PARTIAL CONSTRUCTION. OKAY.
ANYONE ELSE? >> I THINK IF IT MEANS MIKE BEING COMFORTABLE, I'M FINE WITH DELAYING IT FOR 30 DAYS.
>> [INAUDIBLE] NOT HERE TONIGHT.
SHOULD WAY EXTEND THAT COURTESY FOR HIM?
>> NO, BECAUSE HE'S NOT HERE. >> THANK YOU RALPH.
>> I'LL TELL WHAT YOU MY THOUGHT ON ITS.
WE DID SOME PRETTY INTENSIVE WORK ON THE MOBILITY FEE TO GET TO THAT NUMBER. SO IT'S NOT AN IMPACT FEE.
WE WENT THROUGH THIS WHOLE THING WITH MOBILITY FEE AND IT'S BASED ON THE ZONE THAT THE HOUSES ARE IN AND A BUNCH OF OTHER PIECES THAT WENT INTO THAT FORMULA. I RECOGNIZE MIKE'S CONCERN WITH MAYBE THIS NUMBER IS TOO HIGH. I DON'T THINK SO, BECAUSE THE MANTRA THAT WE HEAR ALL THE TIME IS DEVELOPMENT PAYS FOR ITSELF AND CLEARLY STAFF IS TELLING US US, FOR THAT TO HAPPEN THEY NEED
THIS NUMBER. >> I THINK PART OF THE QUESTION I WOULD ASK AND THIS MAY BE OUTSIDE OUR BODIED PURVIEW BUT THE APF FEE HAS BEEN COLLECTED IN BRANDON FIELD AND LAKE ASBURY FOR YEARS. I WOULD ASK HOW MUCH MONEY HAS BEEN SPENT, WHERE HAS IT BEEN SPENT OUT OF THAT APF FUND AND HOW MUCH IS LEFT IN THE ACCOUNT? THAT MAY BE OUTSIDE OUR BODY'S PURVIEW BUT IT'S CERTAINLY A QUESTION SOMEBODY SHOULD ASK.
>> AND I WOULD JUST MAKE A COUPLE OF GENERAL RESPONSES TO THAT. SO THE MONEY COLLECTED AND COURTNEY DOES A LOST THOSE AGREEMENTS.
TYPICALLY IT'S THE 150-300,000. IT'S TYPICALLY NOT A HUGE AMOUNT OF MONEY EACH TIME AND WITH THOSE DOLLARS WE THEN ARE WORKING CURRENTLY TO HELP BUILD THOSE ACTUAL APF ROADS.
THEY'RE THE DASH LINE ROADS THAT ARE IN OUR MAP SO IN THE LAKE ASBURY AREA ESPECIALLY THEY'RE GOING TO CONNECT A LOT OF FOR EXAMPLE FEED MILL WHICH WAS A LOT OF STUFF THAT JUST CAME THROUGH ON THE SARATOGA SPRINGS, COULDN'T THINK OF THE NAME OF IT, PROJECT. SO HERE'S AN EXAMPLE THE RED LINES THE DASH LINES ARE ALL APF ROADS SO THAT'S WHAT THOSE MONEYS WILL GO TOWARD AS THEY ARE COLLECTED IS THEY WILL GO TO HELP BUILD THOSE ROADS. SO, THEY'RE A VERY IMPORTANT PIECE OF THE SYSTEM WITHIN THE MASTER PLANS.
>> YES, SIR. >> I'M KIND OF -- I'LL ADMIT I'M IGNORANT ON THIS AS FAR AS THE CALCULATIONS WHERE THE NUMBERS COME FROM WHERE THE MONEY COMES FROM AND WHAT'S IT FORE.
I ASSUME THE IMPACT IS TO THE DEVELOPER.
IS THAT RIGHT MIKE? AM I OFF BASE ON THAT?
>> YES, THE DEVELOPER HAS TO PAY IT BUT THE IMPACT AS MR. BOURRÉ SAYS OR THE LAND OWNERS ULTIMATELY THE HOMEOWNER BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO GET ROLLED INTO THE PRICE OF THE HOUSE.
>> IF IT'S AN INDIVIDUAL LOT ON APF ROAD MY UNDERSTANDING THEY PAY NIGHT SO THIS ISN'T ONLY DEVELOPER ONLY I AM PACK.
THIS IS IMPACTS INDIVIDUAL OWNERS THAT OWN HAD A PIECE OF DIRT ON APF THAT HAVE TO PAY A FEEL TO BUILD THEIR HOUSE FOR INSTANCE AND NOW WE ARE SAYING THAT FEE IS GOING TO TRIPLE AND
THAT'S MY CONCERN. >> I WANTS TO QUESTION SOMETHING YOU JUST SEDIMENT I DON'T THINK IT HAG TO BE ON AN APF ROAD, RIGHT? IT JUST HAS TO BE IN THAT AREA
IN THAT MOBILITY ZONE. >> NOT MOBILITY BUT THE APF.
THIS IS LAKE ASBURY MASTER PLAN. >> OKAY BUT IF YOU'RE IN THAT AREA ANYWHERE YOU PAY THIS FEE. IT DOESN'T MATTER.
>> SO THIS ISN'T DEVELOPER ONLY. >> BECAUSE EVERYBODY WILL USE
THAT. >> I UNDERSTAND THE FACT YOU KNOW, DEVELOPER INITIALLY OR ULTIMATE LIP DOESN'T PAY FOR IT.
IT'S ALL PASSED ON TO THE PURCHASER OF THE PROPERTY WHETHER INTO THE COST OF THE HOUSE OR OTHER MEANS BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ULTIMATE IMPACT I AM PACK, YOU SAY IT'S TRIPLE THE AMOUNT IS WHAT IT WAS IS THAT GOING TO HAVE AN ADVERSE IMPACT ON DEVELOPMENT OR ENHANCE IT OR
WHAT IF THE MONEY IS COLLECTED? >> WELL I THINK THE FIRST QUESTION IS HOW IS IT CALCULATED HOW IS THE 3.3 OR 3.5 NUMBER NUMBER HOW IS THAT CALCULATED. I THINK WE GOT TO UNDERSTAND THAT THE 2 IT'S NOT JUST THE DEVELOPER.
THE FAMILY THAT BUYS A HALF ACRE OR ONE ACRE LOT IN THIS APF AREA IS NOT GOING TO PAY JUST THE 1.5 BUT TRIPLE THAT AS A FEE IN
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CONTRIBUTION OF THE ROPED IMPROVEMENTS SO IT'S GOING TO IMPACT THE DEVELOPER BUT MORE IMPACT THE SMALL THE INDIVIDUAL FAMILY WHO IS BUYING AN ACRE LOT AND WANTS TO BUILD ON THAT LOT.THERE'S AN ADDITIONAL COST TO THEM NOW.
I'LL JUST REITERATE WE SHOULD MOVE TO HEAR IN IN 30 TASTE AN JUST GET TIME TO KIND OF UNDERSTAND WHAT THIS IS AN WHAT IT IMPACTS AND HOW THE NUMBERS CALCULATE IS MY BIGGEST THING.
>> MR. CHAIR. >> I'M KIND OF WAITING ON SHARICE HERE WHAT SHE'S COMING BACK WITH.
>> ED IS EDUCATING ME. SO THE SINGLE-FAMILY GUY WOULD NOT PAY THE APF. THEY WOULD PAY THE MOBILITY FEE
BUT THEY DON'T PAY THE APF. >> SO THEN IT COMES TO
>> I MAKE A MOTION F. WE ARE AT THAT POINT.
>> OPEN PUBLIC HEARING. >> I ALREADY MOVED ON THIS ONE.
>> I'M READY TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE HEAR THIS IN 30 DAYS.
>> WANT TO CONTINUE IT. >> TO CONTINUE IT YES, SIR.
I'D LIKE TO MOVE IT FORWARD BUT LET'S TAKE A VOTE HERE.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR CONTINUING FOR 30 DAYS OR UNTIL SEVENTH OF
JULY. >> JULY OR JUNE? SEVENTH OF JUNE. ALL KNOWS IN FAVOR OF A CONTINUANCE STATE AYE? ANY OPPOSED? CHAIR IS OPPOSED SO THAT'S TWO AND MS. BRIDGMAN.
>> WE'LL BE BACK. >> THANK YOU.
>> ALMOST. SO, SHARICE DID YOU GET KIND OF THE ESSENCE OF WHAT THEY WERE ASKING YOU TO COME BACK WITH? CAN YOU BRING ANY QUICK SUMMARY YOU HAVE ON THE MOBILITY FEE ITSELF? BECAUSE WE WENT THROUGH A VERY DETAILED PRESENTATION ON THAT SOME TIME AGO MAYBE JUST A QUICK BLEPT POINT OF HOW THOSE NUMBERS GET ARRIVED AT.
[Old Business/New Business]
OKAY. SO, WE ARE ONLY BUSINESS NEWBUSINESS, ANYTHING? >> PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD.
SO I'D LIKE TO DISCUSS WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT BEFORE WITH RESPECT TO SUCH A BROAD CHANGE BEING PRESENTED BY DEVELOPER, THAT AFFECTS THE ENTIRE COUNTY, I'M NOT CRAZY ABOUT THAT EVER, AND YOU KNOW, I WAS OPPOSED TO IT AT THE LAST MEETING.
OBVIOUSLY YOU KNOW, MY MOTION TO ALLOW THE CONTINUANCE WAS ONLY TO FIND OUT MORE INFORMATION. I REALLY DIDN'T THINK EVEN TWO MONTHS DOWN THE ROAD THAT IT WOULD CHANGE ANYBODY'S MIND HERE BUT JUST TO FIND THIS OUT AND THE REASON THAT I SAY THAT IS BECAUSE I SPOKE WITH A BUNCH OF PEOPLE OVER ON FLEMING ISLAND THAT I HAPPEN TO KNOW AND THE COMMENTS THAT CAME FROM ALL OF THEM WAS WE HAD NO IDEA THERE WAS GOING ON.
OKAY SO IF THEY DON'T KNOW THIS IS GOING ON ON FLEMING ISLAND HOW DO THEY KNOW IT'S GOING ON IN MIDDLEBURG OR ORANGE PARK? THEY DON'T KNOW AND HOW DO WE COMMUNICATE THAT A LITTLE BETTER TO THE COUNTY WHEN IT'S SOMETHING THAT GOING TO AFFECT THE COUNTY NOT JUST A ONE LOCATION?
>> ARE YOU LOOKING MORE A RESPONSE?
>> I'M LOOKING FOR SOME CONVERSATION.
>> NUMBER ONE, ALL THESE THINGS ARE PUBLIC NOTICE.
>> THAT I DO KNOW. >> THAT'S THE LEGAL OBLIGATION
>> I'M GOING TO GO BACK TO MANAGE, THE GARBAGE FEE.
THE COUNTY TALKED ABOUT THAT GARBAGE FEE FOR YEARS, THE BCC TALKED ABOUT IT AND WHEN THEY FINALLY DECIDED TO MOVE ON IT, THIS ROOM WAS FULL, DOWNSTAIRS WAS FULL, AND ALMOST EVERYONE OF THEM SAID THE SAME THING, I NEVER HEARD ABOUT THIS.
YOU HAVEN'T LOOKED AT A NEWSPAPER.
YOU HAVEN'T READ ANYTHING IN THREE YEARS? WHAT DO YOU MEAN YOU NEVER HER OF IT? MY POINT IS HOW DO YOU GET THAT INFORMATION TO PEOPLE? BECAUSE IF THEY'RE NOT INTERESTED IN SEEKING IT OUT BECAUSE IT'S ON THE COUNTY WEB SITE OUR AGENDA EVERYTHING WE SEE SITTING UP HERE IS AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC VIA THE WEB SITE.
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THE NOTICES GET PUBLISH ALTHOUGH NOW THEY'RE GETTING PUBLISHED IN CLAY TODAY SOME CASES BUT I'VE SEEN THEM IN [INAUDIBLE] AND MAYBE IT'S BECAUSE I SIT ON THIS BOARD BUT I LOOK AT EVERYONE OF THE PUBLIC NOTICEDS TO SEE WHAT IT.>> BUT YOU'RE PROBABLY ONE OF THE RARE FEW RALPH THAT HONESTLY
DOES. >> THAI F THEY DO BUT I GUESS MY
POINT IS. >> I DON'T HAVE THE TIME TO DO
IT. >> YOU CAN LEAD A HORSE TO WATER BUT CAN'T MAKE THEM DRINK. I THINK WE GO OUT OF OUR WAY TO MAKE THE POSITION AVAILABLE BUT PEOPLE HAVE TO SEEK IT OUT.
YOU CAN'T SEND IT TO EVERY INDIVIDUAL IN THE COUNTY SOMEHOW. MAYBE CLAY TODAY, THAT MIGHT BE SOMEBODY WANT TO TALK TO, COULD DO A BETTER JOB OF DOING SOME OF
THIS UP FRONT. >> WELL MY THINKING ON THIS.
AN APPLICANT COMES IN, PUT IN THE APPLICATION TO DO THIS.
OKAY, IN SOMEBODY CAME IN TO DO AN APPLICATION CHANGE FOR THEIR PROPERTY, SINGLE PROPERTY, THEY WOULD GET THE ORANGE SIGN, THEY WOULD POST IT. SO, WHY DON'T WE HAVE THAT SAME REQUIREMENT FOR SOMEBODY COMING IN TO DO A COUNTYWIDE CHANGE LOOKING AT THE MAP THAT I WHAT'S TALKING ABOUT THAT GEKS THESE PARTICULAR PROPERTY? THEY HAVE TO GO OUT AND POST THAT ON ALL THOSE PROPERTIES THAT WILL BE AFFECTED.
A AND I DON'T KNOW HOW IT AFFECTS THE COUNTY AND THE WORK THE COUNTY NEED TO DO FOR THAT BUT IT WOULD ACTUALLY PUT NOTICE OUT FOR THE PUBLIC FOR THOSE INDIVIDUALS WHO DON'T LOOK AT THE INTERNET, DON'T LOOK AT THE CLAY TODAY, DON'T LOOK AT THE TIMES UNION AND ADMITTEDLY I DON'T. SO IF I WAS A CITIZEN THAT DIDN'T SEE THIS HOW WOULD I KNOW?
>> I'M GOING TO MAKE ONE OTHER AND STEP BACK FROM IT.
WE HAD FOUR ITEMS TONIGHT THAT FALL INTO THIS CATEGORY.
SO WE ARE KIND OF PICKING ON ONE BECAUSE IT GENERATED SOME INTEREST BUT WE ACTUALLY HAD THREE OUR ITEMS THAT ARE
>> HALF OF WHAT YOU SAY IS JOE. THE OTHER HALF IS AS FAR AS THE ZONING OR WHAT THEY WANTED TO DO AS FAR AS THE CONDITIONAL USE EXEMPTION, THAT'S BEEN GOING ON FOR YEARS ON FLEMING ISLAND.
AND EVEN THE SUSAN LIVING ON FLEMING ISLAND PLANTATION AND SURVEY BECAUSE AT THAT TIME ROBERT MCHALL WAS PRESIDENT OF THE ASSOCIATION AND BROUGHT THAT TO THE TABLE AT FIC SO THEY WERE PRETTY NOT ON FIRE BIT BUT VOICED THEIR OPINION THEY DIDN'T WANT TO SEE THAT HAPPEN. THE ISSUE ON THIS IS THE ORDINANCES ARE NOT POSTED AN THAT'S WHERE I'M KIND OF ALIGNING WITH WHAT YOU'RE THINKING.
IT'S ALL KIND OF UNLESS THEY READ THE NEWSPAPER OR THEY HAPPEN TO CROSS IT OR SOMEBODY HAPPENS TO MENTION IT, THEN THE PUBLIC IS PRETTY MUCH UNFD BOUGHT I DON'T KNOW TOO MANY PEOPLE THAT READ THE CLAY TODAY FROM PAGE TO PAGE ESPECIALLY THE FINE PRINT ON PUBLIC NOTICES. MAYBE ORDINANCE CHANGES NEED TO BE PUSHED OUT TO THE CAC'S AN LET THEM WORK THEM AS WELL WITHIN A COMMITTEE AND TRY TO GET THE PUBLIC ENGAGED MORE ON SOMETHING LIKE THAT IN ORDER TO GET FEEDBACK A BETTER FEEDBACK SOURCE FROM THE PUBLIC. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WOULD WORK OR NOT. BUT TO ME THE ISSUE OF THIS ORDINANCE CHANGE WAS MORE SO A DILUTION OF COUNTY AUTHORITY.
IT WOULD TAKE IT COMPLETELY OUT OF THE PUBLIC AND COUNTY HAND WITH A BY LINE THAT SAID CONDITIONAL USES AN IT WAS LISTED IN IT WOULD BE A DONE DEAL.
THERE WOULD NEED ZERO INPUT FROM THE PUBLIC AND THAT WAS MY MAJOR CONCERN ABOUT TRYING TO REWRITE THE ORDINANCE.
THE ORDINANCE WORKS NOW F. WE WANT TO GRANT AN EXCEPTION FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION AS RECOMMENDATION OF THE BOARD THE BOARD CAN GRANT THAT. THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT OF CONDITIONAL USE. IF YOU ERASE THAT ED DOESN'T SEE IT WE DON'T SEE IT PUBLIC DOESN'T SEE IT.
IT JUST HAPPENS. >> SO MY POINT IS WHY AREN'T WE
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IMPOSING THE PERSON WHO IS PUTTING THE APPLICATION IN TO DO THEIR DILIGENCE, WHATEVER IT COSTS FOR THEM IF IT'S ADDITIONAL COSTS THEY HAVE TO PAY TO THE COUNTY, LIT THEM PAY THE COST TO THE COUNTY AND GET OUT AN POST SO THAT THEY KNOW THOSE OTHER PEOPLE WHO AREN'T AS INFORMED FROM A NEWSPAPER STANDPOINT, IS IT A LOT OF EXTRA WORK?>> THIS IS MY CONCERN ABOUT THAT.
THE PERSON THE DEVELOPER THAT MAYBE ASKING FOR THAT CHANGE DOESN'T OWN ALL THAT PROPERTY SO IF YOU WERE ON A PIECE OF PROPERTY AND MAYBE YOU'RE GOING TO BUILD -- SOMETHING OTHER THAN, YOU'RE GOING TO BUILD A COMMERCIAL WAREHOUSE ALL OF A SUDDEN SOMEBODY'S GOING TO PUT A SIGN ON YOUR PROPERTY SAYING THERE'S A ZONING AFFECTING YOUR PROPERTY IT'S ALARM TO GO THE
PUBLIC. >> I'M JUST LOOKING AT IT IF THE PUBLIC CAN'T VOICE THEIR OPINION AS A HOMEOWNER I WANT TO BE ENTITLED TO DO THAT, AS RESIDENT OF THE COUNTY I WANT TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT IF I WANT. IF A DEVELOPER OR SOMEONE -- AND THIS IS NOT PICKING ON ANYBODY HERE.
IF SOMEBODY COMES IN AND KNOWS HOW TO CIRCUMVENT THE SYSTEM SO THEY KNOW THEY'RE GOING TO TRY TO GET A COUNTYWIDE CHANGE ORDINANCE AND THE PUBLIC DOESN'T KNOW BIT THEY CAN COME TO A MEETING LIKE THIS AND WE HOPEFULLY ARE GOING TO BE SMART ENOUGH TO SEE THROUGH THAT AND STOP IT AS I BELIEVE WE HAVE PROBABLY DONE BUT TO NOT ALLOW THE PUBLIC TO VOICE THEIR OPINION ABOUT THAT TO ME DOESN'T SEEM RIGHT.
>> I TOTALLY AGREE WITH THAT. WE JUST GOT TO FIGURE OUT A
MAETH ORDER TO MAKE THAT WORK. >> THAT'S WHY I'M BRINGING THE
SUBJECT. >> I'LL JUST ADD TWO CENTS TO THIS. COUPLE OF QUICK COMMENTS, ONE IT'S THE CITIZENS RESPONSIBILITY IN DEMOCRACY TO BE ENGAGE.
YOU CAN'T FORCE T BE SOMEBODY TO BE ENGAGED IF THEY DON'T WANT TO BE. WE SEE FOLKS THAT ARE HERE ON A REGULAR BASIS THAT ARE FULLY ENGAGEMENT WE SEE SOME HERE EVERY NOW AND THEN AND WE SEE SOME FIRST TIME.
WE LOVE SEEING FIRST TIMERS MANY WE THANK THEM FOR BEING HERE BECAUSE IT'S IMPORTANT TO BE ENGAGED BUT SOME SOMEBODY CHOOSE NOT ON ENDPAIJD AND LIVES IN LIES -- ISOLATION ON THEIR COUNTY. THE OTHER THING I'LL ADD TO THE CONVERSATION THIS IS WHY WE ELECT COMPETENT LENGTH OFFICIALS TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE GOVERNING ON OUR BEHALF.
I KNOW THERE WAS SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THIS ISSUE THERE WAS A BIG MEETING HELD IN FLEMING ISLAND LED BY ONE.
COUNTY COMMISSIONERS FOR THAT AREA AND HE DID A GREAT JOB OF BRINGING THE COMMUNITY TOGETHER TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE FULLY INFORMED. THAT PART OF THE ROLE AFTER GOOD COUNTY COMMISSIONER AND IN THIS CASE IT WORKED.
EVERYBODY IS INFORMED THAT WANTED TO BE INFORMED.
THEY CAME TOGETHER TO BE HERD. WE ARE ALWAYS LOOKING FOR WAYS TO IMPROVE COMMUNICATION BUT FOR THOSE WHO WANT TO BE WE ARE
DOING A GOOD JOB. >> AND THANK YOU MICHAEL FOR THAT BUT AT THE SAME TIME A GROUP GOT TOGETHER ON FLEDGE ISLAND. THIS PARTICULAR CHANGE WOULD HAVE AFFECTED OUR TOWN SO WHAT ABOUT THOSE PEOPLE GETTING GROUPS TO GO AN LOOKING AT SOMETHING LIKE THAT FOR THAT
PURPOSE. >> I WILL ADMIT I WAS SURPRISED HOW MANY PEOPLE SHOWED UP AT THAT MEETING AND TOWN HERE TONIGHT THAT WERE NOT RESIDENTS OF FLEMING ISLAND BUT WERE INVOLVED IN THE THOUGHT PROCESSES IN THEIR PARTICULAR AREA.
>>. >> I WAS SURPRISED TO GET NOTICES AND EMAILS FROM PEOPLE FROM COLLEGE DRIVE.
WHEN I OPENED THAT UP AND SAW THAT, THAT THREW A FLAG UP.
HOW DID THEY FIND OUT ABOUT THIS AND HOW IT WOULD AFFECT THEM
OVER THERE? >> LET ME STEER THIS CONVERSATION BACK AT THIS POINT. THE QUESTION THAT YOU POSED JOE, IS HOW DO YOU NOTIFY PEOPLE BEYOND WHAT WE ARE DOING TODAY.
I DON'T THINK YOU CAN DO LETTERS AND SIGNS AND AS I POINTED OUT WE HAD FIVE OF THESE ALTOGETHER TONIGHT.
TWO OF THEM WERE COUNTY SPONSORS.
THAT'S A LOT OF COST TO COUNTY, NOT JUST AN INDIVIDUAL.
I WILL TELL YOU THAT WE HAVE SEEN LDC CHANGES BEFORE THAT WERE ESSENTIALLY ZONING IN DISGUISE, BUT THOSE TENDED TO BE WRITTEN A LITTLE MORE SPECIFIC SO THEY APPLIED TO ONLY A FEW PARCELS. BUT THE SAME THING HAPPENED IS THAT NOBODY AROUND IT KNEW WHAT IT WAS BECAUSE IT DOESN'T HAVE
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TO BE POSTED ON THE PROPERTY BECAUSE IT'S TECHNICALLY AN LDR CHANGE. SO I MEAN IF YOU HAVE SOME REALLY COMPETENT, WE HAVE GOT PEOPLE STILL HERE, WE ARE GOING TO HAVE ANOTHER PUBLIC COMMENT HERE IF YOU HAVE ANY THOUGHTS ON THIS, WE WOULD LOVE TO HEAR IT. MAYBE A SOLUTION MIGHT BE TO LOOK AT ANY CHANGES. WE HAVE MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS THAT WE ARE REQUIRED TO MEET. THE STATE SETS THOSE UP.BUT IN THE CASE OF AN LDR CHANGE, WOULD IT BE HARMFUL IN THE COUNTY TO MAYBE EXTEND IT? COURTNEY WHAT'S THE NOTICE FOR LDR CHANGE IN THEY HAVE TO BE POSTED TWO WEEKS BEFORE THE
>> TEN DAYS. SO, WE STICK TO THAT BUT MAYBE WE TAKE ON AS A COUNTY SOME ADDITIONAL POSTINGS.
YOU KNOW THIS IS A PLANNING STAFF THING.
THEY WOULD HAVE TO FIND A RIGHT DATE HERE, MAYBE 30 OR 45 DAYS.
IT'S NOT GOING TO GET TO MORE PEOPLE BUT MAYBE IT HAS A CHANCE TO GET TO OTHER PEOPLE IF YOU GIVE THEM.
I GUESS I'M THE ONLY ONE THAT READ THE CLAY TODAY EVERY WEEK I TAKE IT. IT'S A LITTLE NEWSPAPER.
IT'S NOT EXPENSIVE AND THEY COVER A LOT.
COUNTY STUFF AND JUST TO THAT POINT YOU DON'T BURY THAT IN LITTLE PRINT IN THE BACK. IT'S ABOUT A QUARTER PAGE NOTICE. IT'S NOT LIKE YOU GOT TO GO LOOK FOR IT. YOU'RE FLIPPING THROUGH IT AND IT'S RIGHT THERE ON ONE OF THE PAGES, NOTICE.
IT'S A LITTLE CRYPTIC WHAT IT'S ABOUT SOMETIMES BUT AT LEAST IT'S A NOTICE WHICH IF NOTHING ELSE SHOULD GENERATE A CALL TO NOTICE, WHAT IS THIS, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO IT IS AN ISSUE. IF WE COME UP WITH
RECOMMENDATION. >> MR. CHAIRMAN I THINK WHAT COMMISSIONER DAVIS BROUGHT UP EARLIER ABOUT THE CAC'S MAYBE WEATHER WHILE PURSUING FOR CODE CHANGES.
BECAUSE THAT WILL GET MORE PEOPLE INVOLVED.
>> WHY DON'T YOU GUYS, SHARICE LEFT.
YOU STILL BACK THERE? MAYBE HAVE THE PLANNING PEOPLE LOOK AT THIS. I CAN'T RECALL AN LDR THAT WE HAVE EVER DONE THAT REQUIRED TO HUSTLE IT THROUGH REALLY QUICK UNLESS IT WAS ONE OF THESE SPECIAL ONES.
SO, WE DON'T NEED ANYTHING. WE JUST NEED A POLICY THAT SAYS WE ARE GOING TO POST IT AND GIVE PEOPLE MORE TIME TO REACT TO IT OR SOMETHING SO GIVE THAT SOME THOUGHT PLEASE AND I'M SURE MIKE WILL REMIND YOU. SO.
ANYTHING ELSE ANYBODY? WANT TO BRING UP?
>> JUST MAKE NOT THAT I WILL NOT BE HERE NOT MONTH'S MEETING ON
JUNE 7TH. >> I MAY BE IN THAT SAME SITUATION MANY I'M NOT SURE YET. I WAS JUST GOING TO MENTION
THAT. >> WOULD YOU LIKE TO DISCLOSE WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO BE? NO, IT'S A PUBLIC RECORD.
>> I'LL LET YOU KNOW. >> LET ME POLL YOU GOING TO BE HERE? HOW ABOUT YOU MIKE?
>> GOD WILLING. >> ARE YOU GOING TO BE HERE OR
>> I'M A QUESTION MARK. >> I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE A QUORUM. WE HAVE TO HAVE FOUR TO BE A QUORUM. LOOKS LIKE FOUR WILL BE HERE SO WE SHOULD BE OKAY. ANYTHING SHARICE FROM YOU?
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COURTNEY ANYTHING FROM YOU? NO? THEN I'M GOING TO OPEN THE FINAL PUBLIC COMMENT SAME AS THE FIRST ONE WE HAVE HAD A THE BEGINNING. IF ANYBODY WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS ANYTHING YOU'VE HEARD TO SAY YOU'RE WELCOME TO DO SO?WE ALWAYS NEED FRESH IDEAS HERE. >> I'M ALLISON JOHNSTON.
JUST ABOUT MAKING SURE PEOPLE ARE AWARE, I WOULD NEVER HAVE KNOWN IF MIKE HAD NOT POSTED ON SOCIAL MEDIA SO FROM THE YOUNGER GENERATION OR MAYBE OLDER NOW THAT'S WHERE PEOPLE ARE INFORMED ABOUT THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING. SO I DO ALREADY FOLLOW THE COUNTY SO I SAW A NOTICE TO THE MEETING BUT NO WHAT THE MEETING
IS ABOUT. >> CLAY HAS A DIGITAL ADDITION TOO. THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENT.
>> I DO TALK TO PARENTS ALL DAY LONG.
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I DON'T THINK ANYONE KNEW WHAT WAS HAPPENING AS FAR AS FLEMING ISLAND AREA. OUR OFFICE IS DIRECTLY ATTACHED.THERE'S ONE STREET BETWEEN US. I GO TO THE GYM THERE AND I
WOULD TALK TOO. >> SO THE REAL ISSUE SOUNDS LIKE FOR YOU IS NOT US BEING ABLE TO DO MUCH MORE THAN WE ARE DOING BUT FOR SOMEBODY TO GET A HOLD OF IT AND REDO IT RETREAT IT,
WHATEVER. >> THE NEW WAVE IS KIND OF LIKE OUR TOWN SQUARE IS SOCIAL MEDIA SO MAYBE IF YOU POST ON THE SIDE OF A BUILDING THIS IS WHAT WE ARE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE AGENDA IF WE COULD HAVE AN ANNOUNCEMENT ON SOCIAL MEDIA WITH BULLET POINTS BECAUSE YOU SAID PEOPLE HAVE TO LOOK NIGHT BUT EVEN YOUR FORM YOU HAVE IN THE BACK OF THE ROOM IT'S HARD FOR SOMEONE WHO DOESN'T UNDERSTAND WHAT THOSE AMENDMENTS ARE TO KNOW WHAT THAT WOULD MEAN.
>> ARE YOU GETTING THIS MIKE? THANK YOU.
>> THE COUNTY HAS THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT.
>> I'M GOING TO CLOSE THIS PUBLIC HEARING.
>> THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT HAS AN INSTAGRAM PAGE AND THEY I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF YOU GUYS ARE ON INSTAGRAM BUT THAT PAGE IS PRETTY ACTIVE. THEY POST PRETTY MUCH ON A DAILY BASIS THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON WHAT TO LOOK OUT FOR SO ON SO FORTH. SO MAYBE THE COUNTY NEEDS SOMETHING LIKE THAT BASED ON THIS COMMENT.
>> I'LL LEAVE THAT SOMETHING TO LOOK AT.
DO WE HAVE A PUBLIC INFORMATION OFFICER IN THIS COUNTY? IS THAT SOMETHING THEY HAVE TIME TOO DO? KIND OF LOOK INTO THAT? ALL GOOD SUGGESTIONS ABSOLUTELY.
THEN I'M GOING TO SAY WE ARE ADJOURNED UNTIL
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.