Apr 05, 2022 Planning Commission

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>>> WELCOME EVERYBODY TO THE APRIL MEETING OF THE CLAY

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BEFORE WE START ANY BUSINESS HERE I WOULD ASK IF EVERYONE MAY STAND PLEASE AND WE DO THE PLEDGE.

>> PLEASE JOIN ME IN THE PLEDGE.

I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE WITH LITTLE BIT AND JUSTICE AND FOR ALL.

>> THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, WOMEN, FIRST OF ALL, I USUAL LIE LIKE TO DO THIS.

IS THERE ANYBODY HERE THAT HASN'T ATTENDED ONE OF THESE MEETINGS BEFORE? I'LL JUST GIVE YOU A QUICK IDEA OF HOW WE HANDLE OUR BUSINESS HERE.

AS EACH ITEM COMES UP THE STAFF WILL GIVE US THEIR REPORT. WE MIGHT ASK QUESTIONS, IF THE APPLICANT IS HERE THEME GET AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK AND THEN AT THAT POINT WE'LL HAVE THE PUBLIC COMMENTS ANYBODY THAT WANTS -- WIRS TO COMMENT.

ONCE ALL THE COMMENTS HAVE BEEN HEARD WE'LL CLOSE IT AND BRING IT BACK TO THIS BOARD FOR DISCUSSION AND A FINAL DECISION. AS WE GET STARTED I'M THE CHAIRMAN THIS YEAR OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION. I WILL INTRODUCE CHRISTINE BLANCHARD. THEN COMMISSIONER PETE DAVIS, AND BO NORTON. TO MY RIGHT IS VICE CHAIR MARY BRIDGEMAN AND NEXT TO HIM COMMISSIONER JOANN SLOAN AND COMMISSIONER BILL GARRISON.

I DON'T SEE ANYBODY HERE FROM CAMP BLANDING OR ANYTHING TONIGHT. WE DO HAVE OUR COUNTY ATTORNEY COURTNEY GRIM IN ATTENDANCE TO KEEP US ON THE LEGAL ROAD. AND KIND OF IN THE BACK THERE IS ED LAYMAN HE IS OUR PLANNING AND ZONING DIRECTOR.

AND THEN WE JUST HAVE MIKE BROWN WHO'S OUR CHIEF ZONING CHIEF OF ZONING AND DODI WHO IS OUR SENIOR PLANNER.

WE'RE ALSO JOINED TO HELP KEEP ORDER HERE WITH A COUPLE OF OFFICERS FROM THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT.

WE HAVE LIEUTENANT MAHALLA AND SERGEANT MCDADE.

THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. >>> CLAY COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION WE'RE AN ADVISORY BOARD EVERY ITEM WE TOUCH TONIGHT WILL END UP AT ONE OF THEIR WE'LL TELL YOU WHICH DAY BUT MOST WILL BE ON THE 26TH OF THE MONTH THEY WILL HAVE THE FINAL DECISION.

WE DO ASK THAT YOU PUT YOUR PHONES ON VIBRATE.

IF DO YOU HAVE TO TAKE A CALL IF YOU WOULD JUST STEP

OUTSIDE. >> IF ANYBODY ELSE IS HERE AND WANTS TO COMMENT ON ONE OF THE ITEMS THERE'S SOME

[1.  Approval of Minutes]

ARE THERE ANY CORRECTIONS OR UPDATES.

>> MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES AS PRESENTED.

OKAY MR. GARRISON. A SECOND FOR -- ALL IN FAVOR OF APPROVING THE MINUTES STATE 80.

OPPOSED. OUR FIRST PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD THIS IS A GENERAL COMMENT VERDICT I DON'T HAVE ANY CARDS SEEING NONE I WILL OPEN THAT I WILL CLOSE THAT COMMENT. SO WE GET RIGHT INTO OUR

[1.  Public Hearing to consider REZ-22-06. (District 3, Comm. Renninger) (D. Selig)]

OUR FIRST PUBLIC HEARING IS A PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER REZ-22-06 APPLICATION OF TO REZONE A PARCEL FROM RB SINGLE FAMILY TO PS-5 PRIVATE SERVICE.

THE PROPERTY IS DEVELOPED WITH AN EXISTING SINGLE

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PLEASE GO AHEAD. >> THIS ITEM WILL BE HEARD AT THE APRIL 26TH BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS MEETING.

WHICH IS IN DISTRICT 3 COMMISSIONER -- THE APPLICATION AS YOU ALREADY SAID WOULD CHANGE THE ZONING FROM RB TO PS-5 THERE IS A DWELLING UNIT NINE BEDROOMS 5.50 BATHROOMS THAT WAS BUILT FOR THIS USE FOR SOME REASON THE PROPERTY ZONED TO PS-5 AT THE TIME.

BUT IT HAS BEEN ASSISTED LIVING BASICALLY DEVELOPED THAT WAY. EXTERIOR LOOKS LIKE A LARGE FAMILY HOME AND BASICALLY FUNCTIONS THE SAME WAY.

THIS PERSPECTIVE BUYER IS LOOKING TO DO SPECIFICALLY FOR SENIOR, ELDERLY INDIVIDUALS.

THE PROPERTIES SHOWN HERE IN THE AERIAL AND ON THE MAP IT'S ON A APPARENTLY LARGE PARCEL.

>> CAN I JUST STOP YOU FOR A SECOND.

THAT LITTLE SKINNY PIECE OF LAND JUST TO THE NORTH OF THE OUTLINE PROPERTY THAT'S A DRIVEWAY.

>> IT IS. IT'S NOT PART OF THIS PARCEL IT'S UNDER AN LLC IT'S A SEPARATE LLC OWNERSHIP.

THIS IS THE SURROUNDING ZONING YOU CAN SEE THE RB IN THE ORANGISH PINKISH COLOR. AND IT'S ADJACENT TO, BACKS UP TO THE BACK SIDE OF COLLEGE DRIVE MORE COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES. STAFF LOOK AT THE CAPACITIABILITY AND SURROUNDING ZONING AND FEELS IT'S COMPATIBLE WITH THOSE DESIGNATIONS AND RECOMMENDS

APPROVAL OF REZ-22-06. >> THANK YOU.

ANYBODY HAVE QUESTIONS FOR STAFF.

>> I JUST HAVE ONE AND THAT'S JUST IT'S MY TYPICAL NOTICE QUESTION. SIGNS ARE UP EVERYBODY KNOWS THIS IS HAPPENING TONIGHT. THANK YOU.

ANYONE ELSE? >> I HAVE ONE I WAS WONDERING I KNOW WE'RE LOOKING AT PS-5 HERE.

ARE WE SEEING THAT IT SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN RB.

>> I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU KNOW THEY'RE A GROUP HOME AS

WELL. >> I WOULD -- YEAH,

NONCONFORMING USE. >> YOU THINK?

>> YEAH. >> BECAUSE I'M AWARE THAT THEY HAD SOME OTHER HOMES SITTING UNDER RESIDENTIAL ZONING THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING.

>> IT DEPENDS ON HOW IT'S HANDLED THROUGH THIS STATE BECAUSE I KNOW THAT FOR MANY YEARS IF YOU HAD A GROUP HOME THAT WAS DESIGNATED GROUP HOME UNDER STATE STATUE UP TO SEVEN PEOPLE ANY ZONE THEY WERE ALLOWED IN ANY ZONING DISTRICT RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICT.

>> I DON'T WANT TO GET OFF TRACK HERE BECAUSE THAT'S REALLY NOT. TO THE QUESTION IN FRONT OF US. WE ARE DOING PS-5 WE ARE DOING PS-5 BECAUSE IT'S A GROUP LIVING ESSENTIALLY.

IT'S OVER SEVEN UNITS THE STATE HAS CHANGED THAT

DESIGNATION. >> I'M ASKING ABOUT THAT BECAUSE USUALLY WE HAVE THE ZONING IN OUR PACKET WE DIDN'T HAVE THE PS IN THERE I WENT AND LOOKED IT UP.

AND IT SAYS. IT SAYS FOR ALL UNDER PS-5 SUCH AREAS ARE PROVIDE PROVIDE ELDERLY CARE SERVICES AND THEN UNDER DEFINITION IT SAYS ELDERLY FACILITY CONSISTS OF A BUILDING OR GROUP OF BUILDINGS OR PROVIDE LIVING FACILITIES FOR PERSONS 65 YEARS OF AGE OR MORE. SO IT'S NOT REALLY A THEY CAN HAVE SPOUSES UNDER AGE. I JUST WANTED TO MENTION

THAT. >> ARE YOU THE APPLICANTS.

>> I'M THE REPRESENTATIVE. >> THAT'S FINE.

WE GET YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND ANYTHING YOU LIKE TO

TELL US. >> YES.

I'M ANGELA FARRER I'M WITH A LAW FIRM.

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SO THIS PROPERTY HAS ALWAYS BEEN A LIVING FACILITY ALL THAT'S CHANGING IS THE GROUP OF PEOPLE WHO WILL BE LIVING THERE. I DON'T FORESEE ANY CHANGES TO TRAFFIC OR IMPACTS TO NEIGHBORS.

WE DO HAVE AN ADMINISTRATIVE WAIVER FOR A SETBACK ISSUE THAT IS NOT COMPLIANT WITH CURRENT REGULATION.

BUT I THINK IT'S LESS THAN 50 FEET.

WE HAVE HAD NO COMPLAINTS THERE HAVE BEEN NO COMPLAINTS FROM NEIGHBORS. IF HAVE YOU ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT HOW THE BUSINESS WOULD BE RUN THAT'S WHY I BROUGHT

THE APPLICANT. >> ANYBODY HAVE QUESTIONS ON

THIS ONE? >> NO.

>> IS THIS ABOUT THE RELEVANCE OF THE USAGE 65 OR OVER OR THAT WOULD BE MY QUESTION.

YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. IT'S GOING TO BE.

>> TELL US WHO YOU ARE? >> YEAH.

WHAT'S THAT? >> CARLOS ZOMORA I'M A CARDIOLOGIST HERE WITH BAPTIST.

LOVE TO BE IN THE COMMUNITY I KNOW WE'RE GROWING.

DEFINITELY IT'S GOING TO BE ABOVE 65 THAT'S OUR GOALS WITH THE FACILITY AND REALLY THANKFULLY WE WON'T HAVE TO ALTER ANYTHING INSIDE OR OUTSIDE IT'S PERFECT FOR WHAT WE'RE DOING AND WE CONTINUELY RUN ONE IN THE RIVERSIDE AREA AND AGAIN EXCITED TO BE IN CLAY COUNTY. I HAVE LIVED HERE BEFORE SO I KNOW HOW MUCH IS GROWING AND THE NEED FOR THIS TYPE OF HOUSING SO THANK YOU FOR HEARING US TODAY.

THANK YOU. >> WILL THE RESIDENTS THAT WILL BE IN THIS FACILITY WILL THEY BE DRIVING?

>> NO. NO, THESE ARE FOLKS THAT MOSTLY ARE IN THERE THERE'S NO REALLY WHOLE LOT OF TRAFFIC IN AND OUT OF THE FACILITY EXCEPT FOR MAYBE OCCASIONAL VISITOR. BUT CERTAINLY NOT EXPECTING ANYTHING AFTER HOURS. THEY GO TO BED EARLY.

WE DO THEIR OWN ACTIVITIES IN THE HOME.

SO THEY TYPICALLY DON'T DRIVE THAT'S WHY THEY COME

TO US. >> THANK YOU.

>> YES, SIR. >> A COUPLE QUESTIONS.

YOU'RE ASSOCIATED WITH BASKIN.

SO YOU'RE PERSONALLY FROM BASKIN.

>> CORRECT. THAT'S WHAT THIS IS.

AND THIS IS FOR OVER 65. DO THESE RESIDENTS ARE THEY SPECIAL NEEDS RESIDENTS OR JUST PEOPLE THAT ARE OVER

65. >> NO, OVER 65.

>> ANYONE ELSE? >> THANK YOU FOR NOW WE MAY HAVE MORE QUESTIONS. I WOULD JUST LIKE I MADE SOME ASSUMPTIONS WHICH IS ALWAYS A BAD IDEA.

THESE ARE NOT SPECIAL PATIENTS ARE THEY INDIGENT IS THIS A RENTAL PROPERTY. JUST CAN YOU KIND OF EXPLAIN

REFER IT TO. >> YEAH THEY CAN EITHER BE MEDICAID PATIENTS THAT THE STATE PAYS FOR THEIR STAY OR PRIVATE PAY PATIENTS THAT STAY, THEY CAN NO LONGER FUNCTION AT HOME. DO THEIR OWN COOKING OR THEY ARE ON -- ASSISTED LIVING. IT'S NOT JUST FOR --

>> NO, IT'S NOT A RENTAL. IT'S ASSISTED LIVING WE WILL HAVE CAREGIVERS THERE PROVIDING THEM FOOD AND

MEDICATION. >> OKAY, THANK YOU FOR THAT.

>> ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. >> I DO HAVE.

>> I DO HAVE ONE COMMON CARD ANGELA YOU WERE ANGELA.

AND YOU ARE TO SPEAK ON THIS IDEA.

>> YES. >> I'M JANICE JOHNSON THIS IS MY HUSBAND CALVIN JOHNSON WE'RE IN THE PROPERTY IN FRONT OF IN FRONT OF THIS HOME JUST NORTH OF THEM.

THAT LITTLE SIDE ROAD AS THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT.

THAT LITTLE ONE LANE ROAD RUNS ALONG OUR PROPERTY LINE. WE JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT WHEN BASKIN WAS BACK THERE WE HAD NUMEROUS COMPLAINTS WITH THEM. WE TRIED TO TALK TO THE PEOPLE OTHER NEIGHBORS TRIED TO TALK TO THEM.

WE CALLED BASKA WE WERE ASSURED EVERYTHING WOULD BE TAKEN CARE OF. THE BIGGEST PROBLEM WE WAS THE TRAFFIC ON THIS ONE LANE ROAD.

THEY HAD EMPLOYEES COMING IN, VISITORS.

>> CAN YOU PULL THE MIC DOWN JUST A LITTLE.

I DON'T THINK IT'S PICKING YOU UP.

>> THEY HAD EMPLOYEES COMING IN.

VISITORS, TRANSPORT BUSES, DELIVERY TRUCKS AND THIS WAS

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THEY WOULD GO THROUGH THE RECYCLE FORTIN CANS AND THEN LEAVE A MESS. THEY HAD TONS OF GARBAGE AND THEY LET THE RESIDENTS BRING IT OUT.

THE CANS NEVER HAD LIDS THERE WERE ADULT DIAPERS IN OUR YARD, AND IN NEIGHBOR YARDS.

WHAT ELSE? OH, THEY HAD EMPLOYEES THAT CAME IN AND OUT AND WE ASSUME IT WAS THE SAME EMPLOYEE, BUT BECAUSE WE COMPLAINED THEY WERE COMING IN AND OUT BLASTING A STEREO AT 7:00 IN THE MORNINGMENT SOMETIMES THIS PERSON GOT OFF AT 11:00 AT NIGHT AND THEY DID IT COMING AND GOING AND WHEN WE COMPLAINED IT GOT WORSE. SO WE TRIED TO CALL THE COUNTY AND THEY TOLD US YOU KNOW OUR FIRST LINE WAS TO COMPLAIN TO BASK A. OF COURSE THEY ASSURED US THAT THEY WOULD CLEAN UP THE GARBAGE AND TAKE CARE OF THIS AND THE NOISE. ANOTHER CONCERN WE HAD WAS THAT 50 FOOT SETBACK THEIR PROPERTY COMES RIGHT TOWN OUR FENCE LINE -- RIGHT UP TO OUR FENCE LINE AND IT'S VISIBLE FROM OUR BACKYARD. YOU HAD A MAP UP THERE SHOWED A LITTLE -- AND OUR FENCE LINE THERE.

SEE ON THERE. >> MY MAIN CONCERN IS WE DIDN'T REALIZE UNTIL TWO WEEKS AGO, MAYBE, THAT EASEMENT YOU CALL IT IN IS OUR YARD, THAT ROAD.

AND APPARENTLY THERE WAS SOME DEAL MADE WITH THE PRIOR OWNER THAT WE WERE NOT AWARE OF.

>> WHEN WE BOUGHT OUR HOUSE TWO YEARS AGO WE DIDN'T EVEN KNOW BASKA WAS BACK. THERE THEY TOLD US THERE WAS TWO SINGLE FAMILY HOMES BACK THERE WHICH WE HAD NO PROBLEM WITH. WE DIDN'T DRIVE BACK THERE ND WE JUST DROVE THROUGH THE MAIN NEIGHBORHOODS.

IT'S ONE WAY IN, ONE WAY OUT NEIGHBORHOOD.

THERE'S ACTUALLY MORE TRAFFIC ON THAT ROAD COMING INTO THE HOME IN THE BACK THAN THERE IS PEOPLE COMING IN AND OUT OF THE SUBDIVISION.

IT JUST, WHICH TRIED TO TOLERATE IT AND -- WE TRIED TO TOLERATE IT. WHEN WE COMPLAINED TO THE COUNTY ABOUT IT WE DIDN'T EVEN UNDERSTAND WHY A BUSINESS WAS IN A RESIDENTIAL AREA BECAUSE THEY WERE NONPROFIT BUSINESS THE ZONING ALLOWED IT.

WHEN THEY POSTED THAT THEY WERE GOING TO CHANGE THE REZONING AND WE CALLED AND INQUIRED ABOUT IT WE WERE TOLD IT WAS BECAUSE THEY WERE BECOMING A FOR-PROFIT.

WE'RE KIND OF WORRIED ABOUT THAT ZONING CHANGING OUR RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD. I MEAN DOES THAT, AS OTHER PIECES OF LAND COME OPEN ARE WE GOING TO END UP WITH MORE BUSINESSES IN THERE? THAT TYPE OF THING?

>> OKAY. IS THAT THE END OF YOUR COMMENTS BECAUSE I'LL ANSWER A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS IF

YOU'RE DONE. >> I'VE GOT A COUPLE MYSELF.

>> GO AHEAD. >> JUST QUICK ONES.

THAT ONE SIGN Y'ALL TALKED ABOUT IT WAS PUT UP THERE FOR REZONING. WE HAVE PUT IT BACK UP MANY TIMES. IT WAS PUT UP SO SLOPPY YOU WOULDN'T BELIEVE IT. WITH ONE OF THOSE YARD SALE SIGN TAPED OFF AND IT GETS BLOWN UP WE KEEP PUTTING IT UP BUT IT'S DOWN AGAIN. MY CONCERN IS IF YOU ARE GOING FROM A NONPROFIT TO A PROFIT THEY'RE GOING TO BE WORRIED MORE ABOUT THEIR BOTTOM LINE.

SO, WE'VE ALREADY HAD PROBLEMS WITH THE TRASH AND STUFF LIKE THAT ARE WE GOING TO HAVE ANY MORE PROBLEMS WITH THE UPKEEP OF THE PROPERTY? TRASH GOING OUT PROPERLY THINGS LIKE THIS?

>> OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.

IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WANTS TO COMMENT ON THIS? I AM GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

MS. GRIM. THE DRIVEWAY ISSUE THAT HAS TO BE SOMEWHERE AS ALLOW USE YOU CAN'T CUT OFF ACCESS TO

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A PERSON'S PROPERTY. >> IT'S IN THE IT'S IN THE FINE PRINT OF ALL THE LEGAL ON IT.

IT'S DESCRIBED. YES.

ANY WAY, YES. >> I SEE IT.

>> DID YOU WANT ME TO TRY AND FIND -- I THINK THE BCC IS DEFINITELY GOING TO WANTED TO SEE THAT A LITTLE BIT. I SEE ANOTHER EASEMENT IN HERE THAT COVERS PORTIONS LOT 11 AND 12 BUT I DON'T THINK THAT WOULD BE IT. SO, I WOULD HAVE THAT IT'S A USE YOU CAN'T CLOSE OFF THAT USE AND THAT DRIVEWAY IS GOING TO BE THERE. I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT AGAIN. ARE YOU GUYS STILL HERE.

OKAY. YOU CLEARLY HEARD WHAT SOME OF THE COMPLAINTS WERE WITH BASKA BEING THERE.

I THINK WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR IS SOME ASSURANCE THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO SEE REPEATS OF THAT.

>> YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. I THINK THOSE ARE VERY REASONABLE CONCERNS AND WE DON'T WANT THAT EITHER, YOU KNOW, FOR US OR FOR THE NEIGHBORS.

I THINK THE BENEFIT OF BEING A BUSINESS IS THAT IF WE DON'T PROVIDE A GOOD SERVICE WE WON'T BE SUCCESSFUL.

AND PART OF IT IS KEEPING IT CLEAN, KEEPING IT QUIET, HAVING OUR RESIDENTS HAPPY. OUR RESIDENTS WON'T BE HAPPY IF THE STUFF IS NOT CLEAR, THE PREMISES ARE NOT CLEAN.

THEY ARE MOSTLY YOU KNOW INDOORS WE'LL TAKE THEM OUT FOR ACTIVITIES BUT THEY WON'T BE WANDERING AROUND.

THEY CAN'T. SO THEY WON'T BE OFF PROPERTY FOR SURE. WITH REGARDS TO CLEANING LIST IT HAS BEEN A BUSINESS PART OF IT IS PROPERTY MANAGEMENT SO WE WOULD WE WOULD HAVE LIKE WE HAVE IN OUR OTHER FACILITY APPROPRIATE TRASH BINS AND WAYS TO DISPOSE AND ACTUALLY KEEP EVERYTHING AS SOON AS POSSIBLE SO THAT'S A GUARANTEE.

WITH REGARDS TO TRAFFIC I THINK THERE WILL BE WAY LESS TRAFFIC THAN NINE ACTIVE FOLKS LIVING OR MORE IN A HOUSE THAT SIZE. AGAIN NONE OF THEM DRIVE.

THEY CANNOT DRIVE THAT'S WHY THEY ARE THERE.

AND OUR CAREGIVERS WERE VERY, VERY CAREFUL ABOUT WHO WE CHOOSE. PART OF PROVIDING OUTSTANDING SERVICE WE TRY TO PAY THEM AS MUCH AS WE CAN OR BOTH MARKETS SO WE GET QUALITY PEOPLE.

WE ARE AFFILIATED WITH, MY AFFILIATION WITH HEALTHCARE SYSTEM I DO DEPEND ON GREAT RELATIONSHIP WITH THEM PROVIDING GREAT SERVICE. SO ABSOLUTELY WILL BE OUT OF QUESTION TO HAVE A POLICE THAT IS NOT RETAIL RUN.

SO THERE'S THE -- THAT IS NOT WELL RUN.

WE THERE'S THE CARE AND RESPECTING THE SURROUNDINGS.

>> YOU HAVE A QUESTION. GO AHEAD.

>> MY MOTHER WAS IN AN ASSISTED LIVING CENTER IN NEW JERSEY AND I KNOW THAT THE STATE REGULATED A LOT OF WHAT WENT ON IN THOSE FACILITIES UP THERE.

DOES FLORIDA HAVE THAT SAME YOU KNOW RULE IN PLACE WHERE IF YOU'RE COLLECTING FEES FOR MEDICARE AND YOU KNOW OTHER PROVIDERS DOES THE STATE GET INVOLVED WITH REGULATIONS AND THINGS LIKE THAT?

>> YEAH, WE HAVE, WE ARE REGULATED BY AKA WHICH IS THE ASSOCIATION FOR HOSPITAL ACCREDITATION.

SO THEY COME AND INSPECT THE LOCATION.

I DON'T KNOW HOW BASKA OR THAT NONPROFIT WORKED.

I HAVE NO KNOWLEDGE ABOUT IT.

BUT FOR US, YES, THEY CHECKED FOR CLEANING LIST.

THEY CHECK FOR FIRE HAZARDS AND WINDOWS.

HOW RESIDENTS ARE LOOKING LIKE THEY WILL GIVE US CITATION IF THEY ARE DISHEVELED SO THEY'RE ALL YOU KNOW SHAVED AND OUT OF THEIR PAJAMAS BY 9:00 A.M.

EATING HEALTHY BREAKFAST. YOU ARE MORE THAN WELCOME TO

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ALL THE STAFF HAS TO BE ACCREDITED.

AGAIN I DON'T KNOW WHAT KIND OF STAFF THERE WAS FOR THE PRIOR BUSINESS BUT FOR THAT THEY HAVE TO BE ACCREDITED.

THEY HAVE TO BE BACKGROUND CHECKED.

THEY HAVE TO BE REALLY WELL SCREENED TO BE WORKING THERE.

>> THANK YOU. >> YOU GOT A QUESTION.

>> JUST OUT OF CURIOSITY, WHAT ARE YOUR STAFFING REQUIREMENTS? HOW MANY SHIFTS DO YOU RUN AND HOW MUCH EMPLOYEES PER SHIFT WHAT ARE THE HOURS OF THE SHIFTS IF YOU CAN JUST WALK US THROUGH THAT?

>> SURE. >> YEAH IT DEPENDS ON HOW MUCH RESIDENTS YOU HAVE CURRENTLY THERE.

TYPICALLY IT WILL BE ONE CAREGIVER AT A TIME.

AND THE MANAGER OF THE FACILITY.

WHICH IS A PERSON THAT TAKES CARE THAT EVERYTHING IS WHERE IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE TRASH IS COLLECTED YOU KNOW, THE DOORS ARE WORKING A.C. IS RUNNING SO THERE'S ALWAYS MORE OF A HEALTHCARE SIDE PERSON AND THE PERSON THAT IS HYBRID THAT OVERSEES HOW EVERYBODY IS BEING TAKEN CARE OF IN THE FACILITY. THE SHIFTS WILL BE TWO OR THREE SHIFTS IN A DAY DEPENDING ON HOW MANY RESIDENTS WE HAVE AT THE MOMENT.

>> DO YOU HAVE SEPARATE STAFF FOR COOKING AND CLEANING OR IS IT JUST THESE TWO PER SHIFT?

>> NO, THEY TAKE CARE OF ALL OF IT.

>> THEY CARE OF EVERYTHING. >> SO BASICALLY IT SEEMS LIKE TWO EMPLOYEES PER SHIFT.

>> CORRECT. >> THANK YOU.

>> AND I HAVE PROBABLY A QUESTION AND COMMENT.

COURTNEY YOU ARE STAFF MAY NEED TO ANSWER THIS.

IF THEY'RE GOING TO BE A FOR-PROFIT I THINK LISTEN TO THE RESIDENTS THE BASKA HOME WAS PUTTING GARBAGE CANS OUT ON THE STREET FOR PICKUP BECAUSE IT WAS RESIDENTIAL.

ARE THEY GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE A DUMPSTER?

>> WELL, I THINK THE POINT THAT I WANTED -- I DIDN'T KNOW IF THEY HAD TO OR NOT EVEN IF IT'S A SMALL DUMPSTER IN DEFERENCE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD YOU HAVE TO TELL THE GARBAGE COMPANY THEY CAN'T PICK THAT STUFF UP AT 6:00 IN THE MORNING, RIGHT?

>> WHAT IS YOUR MAXIMUM NUMBER OF RESIDENTS THAT YOU

WILL BE ACCOMMODATING? >> UP THERE WE GET HERE WE NEED TO APPLY TO AKA TO SEE HOW MANY ANY ALLOW US TO.

IT COULD BE UP TO 18 BUT WE DON'T HAVE THAT YOU KNOW APPLICATION FINISHED YET BECAUSE THEY ACTUALLY NEED FOR US TO DO THE FIRE INSPECTION AND AM INSPECTIONS BEFORE THEY EVEN APPROVE US, YES.

>> YOU CURRENTLY HAVE NINE BEDROOMS IN THIS FACILITY.

>> YES. DOES THAT MEAN THAT IT'S GOING TO BE NINE RESIDENTS OR SOME OF THOSE SET ASIDE FOR SOMETHING ELSE OR ARE YOU GOING TO DOUBLE UP?

>> IT DEPENDS IF THEY ARE COUPLES OR PATIENTS THAT WANT TO SHARE WE CAN SHARE UP TO 18.

WE DON'T SUSPECT IT WILL BE LIKE THAT BECAUSE MOST WANT A PRIVATE ROOM UNLESS THEY ARE COUPLES WE HAVE LARGE SUITES SO WE DON'T EXPECT IT TO BE ALL THAT MANY.

>> YOU HAVE SOMETHING ELSE? >> EXCUSE ME.

I WENT AND VIEWED THIS PROPERTY AND COMPLETELY MISSED THE DRIVEWAY. IT IS RIGHT NEXT, IT'S THE JOHNSON'S PROPERTY, RIGHT. AND IT IS VERY, VERY NARROW AND IF TRASH HAD TO GO ON THE ROAD IT WOULD BE IN FRONT OF SOMEBODY ELSE'S PROPERTY.

IT DID CONCERN ME THAT THE PROXIMITY OF THAT DRIVEWAY AND IT DID LOOK LIKE IT WOULD ONLY ACCOMMODATE ONE VEHICLE AND, YOU KNOW, I CAN SEE, I MEAN IF THE GARBAGE

CAN'T BE COLLECTED -- >> COMMITTEE CAN'T HEAR YOU YOU HAVE TO GET UP HERE NEAR THE MIC IT SO PICKS UP PLEASE. WE'RE REALLY PAST THE PUBLIC HEARING BUT I THINK WE WOULD LIKE TO HEAR THIS.

SO PLEASE. >> I THINK THE MAIN PROBLEM IS THE TRASH GOES OUT TO THE SIDE OF THE ROAD FROM THEM.

IT'S JUST THROWN OUT THERE. BUT THE KIDS THAT GO TO SCHOOL IN THE MORNINGS THEY RUMMAGE THROUGH IT, KICK IT AND WE EVEN HAD A BIG GLASS PLATE THAT THEY DUSTED THAT STAYED OUT THERE FOR ALMOST TWO WEEKS, TWO WEEKS THAT SOMEONE FINALLY PICKED UP FROM THAT FACILITY BACK THERE. LIKE YOU SAID THERE'S NO PLACE FOR THE GARBAGE IT HAS TO GO OUT ON THE ROAD.

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THERE THAT COULD BE GREAT. >> I TELL YOU THE ROAD IS SO NARROW OUR NEIGHBOR THAT LIVES WAY BACK IN THE BACK HE BOUGHT A RIDING LAWNMOWER RECENTLY HE HAD TO GO ALL THE WAY UP TO THE MAIN ROAD TO GET IT BECAUSE THE TRUCK COULDN'T GO BACK THERE TO DELIVER.

THAT ROAD IS SO NARROW. >> OKAY.

THANK YOU. >> DOES ANYBODY ELSE.

ALL RIGHT. YES, MA'AM.

>> ONE COMMENT ABOUT THIS REGULATION.

I DO BELIEVE THE DEPARTMENT OF ELDER AFFAIRS ALSO THEY WOULD HAVE THE RULE MAKING I THINK IT WOULD BE HEAVILY REGULATED FOR SANITATION AND COMFORT.

SPEAK A LITTLE LOUDER. >> HE A FEELING THAT I WASN'T SPEAKING INTO IT RIGHT.

I JUST FROM A LEGAL REAL ESTATE LAND USE PERSPECTIVE I DON'T SEE ANOTHER GREAT USE OF THIS PROPERTY BUT A FACILITY THAT'S A LIVING FACILITY THIS PROPERTY VERY LARGE WITH LOTS OF BEDROOMS. MARKETABILITY OF THE PROPERTY WOULD BE VERY DIFFICULT.

SO I THINK THE CHOICES HERE ARE LETTING IT SIT VACANT OR FINDING SOME WAY TO WORK WITH OUR NEIGHBORS AND ALLOW THIS TO BE USED AS WELL. THANK YOU.

>> ALL RIGHT. SIR, DO YOU WANT TO SPEAK.

I ALREADY CLOSED THE PUBLIC HEARING.

>> I CAN SPEAK AGAIN ON THE 26TH EARNEST WILLIAMS MY MAIN CONCERN HERE IF IT'S SUCH A NARROW ROAD THE PROPERTY SOUNDS OVERBUILT TO BEGIN WITH AND IF THEY HAVE TO BRING FIRE TRUCKS THAN YOU DO ROAD TO EVACUATE PEOPLE IN THE EVENT OF A FIRE WE'LL HAVE TRAGEDY ON OUR HANDS. I JUST BRING THAT TO YOUR ATTENTION BUT I WILL SPEAK ON THIS AGAIN ON THE 26TH.

CONGRATULATING HIM HELPING THE COMMUNITY.

BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE THIS PROPERTY IS OVERBUILT.

>> THANK YOU. >> ALL RIGHT.

I'M GOING TO BRING IT BACK UP HERE FOR DISCUSSION OR A MOTION. VOTE FOR STAFF APPROVAL.

>> I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE DO I HAVE A SECOND.

>> I'LL SECOND IT. >> SECOND IT.

>> I GOT A SECOND FROM MR. GARRISON.

I THINK PETE WANTED TO GO. GO AHEAD, PETE.

YOU ARE GETTING INTO A NURSING HOME-TYPE SCENARIO AND LIKE THE GENTLEMAN JUST SAID IF THE ROAD IS SUCH THAT E.R. PEOPLE CAN'T GET DOWN THERE OR FIRE TRUCKS THAT'S GOING TO BE OUT OF CODE SOMEPLACE THERE'S GOING TO BE SOMETHING WRONG WITH THAT BECAUSE I KNOW ASSISTED LIVING FACILITIES ARE PRETTY WELL REGULATED AS FAR AS ACCESS GOES AS WELL CLEANLINESS OF OPERATION AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. LIKE JOE HE MY MOTHER IN AN ASSISTED LIVING FACILITY FOR MANY YEARS.

THEY WERE PRETTY TOUGH TO MAKE SURE THEY WERE IN ACCORDANCE WITH BUT I THINK IT GIVES ME SOME CONCERN

ABOUT ACCESS TO THAT PLACE. >> THAT'S PART OF MY CONCERN AS WELL. THE QUESTION IT LOOKS LIKE THE PROPERTY THAT'S ADJACENT TO THAT DRIVEWAY.

MAP ON THE LEFT ANY CHANCE THEY WILL BE ABLE TO MAYBE BE ABLE TO PURCHASE A PIECE OF AND OPEN UP THAT DRIVEWAY.

I FEEL LIKE PETE THE SAME WAY.

I THINK THE FIRST ISSUE THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IF THE STATE COMES IN AND LOOKS AT THIS WILL WANT TO KNOW HOW THEY CAN GET EMERGENCY VEHICLES IN AND OUT.

I'M MORE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT THAN I AM THE TRASH TO BE PERFECTLY HONEST. I HAVE BEEN THROUGH AKA INSPECTIONS BEFORE. I CAN TELL IF YOU AKA IS THE OVERRIDING AGENCY THAT PROVIDES OVERSIGHT FOR THIS FACILITY THEY WILL HAVE A FAR MORE SERIOUS SERIES OF INSPECTIONS THAN OUR COUNTY EVER WILL PROVIDE.

AKA IS VERY THOROUGH THAT'S WHY I DON'T HESITATE WITH THIS BECAUSE THEY WILL ADDRESS ACCESS, THEY WILL ADDRESS TRASH, THEY WILL -- AKA IS A STATE AGENCY THAT IS VERY THOROUGH IN MEDICAL AND IN THE MEDICAL FIELD.

SO I JUST ADD THAT TO THE CONVERSATION.

ANYONE ELSE. >> THANKS FOR THE INPUT.

IF AKA SAYS YOUR ROAD IS UNSATISFACTORY THERE'S NO WAY TO WIDEN IT OR GET ACCESS TO IT WHAT HAPPENS

THEN? >> THEN THEY WON'T BE ABLE

TO USE THE FACILITY. >> THEY WON'T BE ABLE TO

STAFF IT UP. >> OKAY.

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>> I WANTED TO COMMENT ON THIS.

I -- THERE'S A LOT OF PROPERTY BACK THERE.

I THOUGHT THAT IT WAS, THAT THE FACILITY WAS APPROPRIATE FOR THE PROPOSED USE. BUT THE ACCESS ISSUE REALLY CONCERNED ME. NOW, I LIVE IN A NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE WE HAVE A LOT OF NARROW ROADSED AND RESCUE PEOPLE ARE ALWAYS TALKING TO US ABOUT, YOU KNOW, MAKING SURE THAT A VEHICLE CAN GET DOWN THERE.

SO THIS ISN'T THE ONLY PLACE THAT THAT HAPPENS.

BUT MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE THAT THE APPLICANT AND THE NEIGHBORS AND THE JOHNSONS EXCHANGE CONTACT INFORMATION AND STAY IN CLOSE TOUCH ABOUT THIS BECAUSE IT BOILS DOWN TO KIND OF A PRACTICAL HOW THINGS EVOLVE, PARTICULARLY THE TRASH. THERE'S GOT TO BE A SOLUTION TO THAT. THAT'S WORKABLE FOR YOU ALL SO YOU DON'T HAVE THAT IN YOUR FRONT YARD.

BUT THIS IS A VERY NICE LOOKING FACILITY FROM THE OUTSIDE. IT'S BIG.

IT'S PROBABLY THE BEST USE OF THAT PROPERTY.

IT'S TOO BIG FOR MOST FAMILIES AND PERHAPS THE CLIENTELE THAT'S INVOLVED AND THE REGULATORY AGENCIES WILL MAKE IT A MORE AMICABLE RELATIONSHIP THAN PREVIOUSLY. BUT THAT'S MY TAKE ON IT.

>> OKAY. ANYONE ELSE.

>> JUST ONE OF THE COMMENTS I KNOW THAT THOSE FOLKS HAD MENTIONED SOMETHING ABOUT I GUESS THAT PROPERTY THAT'S ADJACENT TO IT POTENTIALLY GETTING DEVELOPED AS SOME KIND OF COMMERCIAL USE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

IT KIND OF LOOKS LAND LOCKED TO ME.

I DON'T SEE ANY ACCESS IN OR OUT.

>> THEY GOT THAT ACCESS THAT'S IT.

>> I DON'T REALLY FORESEE THAT HAPPENING ANY TIME IN THE NEAR FUTURE. THERE OKAY.

ANYONE ELSE? >> I JUST MAKE A QUICK COMMENT. I KNOW BASKA WAS BACK THERE THEY CLEARLY, I DON'T KNOW IF THE BASKA HOUSE WAS BUILT BEFORE THE REST OF THAT SUBDIVISION OR HOW THAT ENDED UP BEING THERE. SO, IT WAS A GROUP HOME.

I THINK THEY'RE ASKING FOR IT TO BE A GROUP HOME AS MR. SAYS YOU GOT A LOT OF HURDLES TO CLEAR BEFORE YOU CAN OPEN IT FOR THAT PURPOSE BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT GOING TO LET YOU PUT THEM IN THERE. YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH FIRE DEPARTMENT REVIEW, I MEAN YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH A NUMBER OF REVIEWS SO, I THINK OUR JOB HERE IS SIMPLY TO THINK IS TO SAY DO WE FEEL THIS IS A COMPATIBLE USE FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD ALL THOSE OTHER ISSUES WILL BE TAKEN CARE OF WHEN THEY HAVE TO COME IN FOR DESIGN AND APPROVAL FROM ALL THE OTHER AGENCIES.

SO WITH THAT, I'M GOING TO CALL THE QUESTION AND WHAT I HAVE ON THE FLOOR IS TO RECOMMEND THE STAFF REPORT WHICH WE DO APPROVE THE ZONING CHANGE.

ALL IN FAVOR STATE AYE. >> AYE.

>> ARE THERE ANY OPPOSED? NO.

OKAY. THANK YOU.

THIS WILL COME UP ON THE 26TH.

IT'S THREE WEEKS FROM TODAY AND THE BCC MEETS IN THIS ROOM AND THEY DO ALL THEIR ZONING AT 5:00 OR LATER.

BE HERE BY 5:00. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU FOR COMING, BY THE WAY.

GOOD INFORMATION. VERY HELPFUL.

[2.  Public Hearing to consider PUD-2022-04 (M. Brown)]

>> NEXT ITEM IS A PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER PUD 22-04 IT'S TEXT AMENDMENT TO EXISTING BAZELY PUD.

MR. BROWN HAVE YOU THIS ONE. >> MR. CHAIRMAN AND COMMISSIONER. PUD 22-04 THE APPLICANT IS BENTOIT INC. AND APPLICANT IS SUSAN FRASER.

IT'S ATTACKS AMENDMENT TO THE EXISTING PUD THE PROJECT IS LOCATED ON HENLEY 2583 HENLEY ROAD.

IT'S IN COMMISSIONER BIRKS DISTRICT THIS WILL GO TO THE GO TO THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS AT THE APRIL 26TH MEETING. JUST A LITTLE BACKGROUND.

THE EXISTING P.U.D. WAS ORIGINALLY APPROVED IN 1989 AND SUBSEQUENTLY AMENDED IN 2007 AND 2012.

THE MAJORITY OF THE P.U.D. IS ALREADY DEVELOPED THE TEXT CHANGE WOULD ONLY APPLY TO THE VACANT 8.26 AS

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HERE'S THE WORDING SPECIFICALLY PROPOSED AGAIN REMOVING THE GAS STATION CONVENIENCE STORE USE AND ALLOWING FOR A 24-HOUR FAST-FOOD USE IN ITS PLACE.

THE REQUEST IS FOR A TEXT CHANGE TO THE PERMITTED USES SECTION OF THE EXISTS PUD STAFF HAS REVIEWED THE APPLICATION AND RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE AMENDMENT TO AMEND PUD TO ALLOW 24-HOUR FAST-FOOD USE IN PLACE OF THE 24-HOUR GASSATION -- GAS STATION CONVENIENCE STORE USE. ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF?

>> YEAH WE DIDN'T HAVE A MAP ON THIS ONE.

>> CAN YOU GIVE ME A SECOND. IS IT POSSIBLE TO BRING THAT UP AND SHOW US. I WAS LOOKING AT IT EARLIER BUT I KNOW EVERYBODY ELSE WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT AS WELL.

>> IT'S RIGHT THERE OUTLINCHED IN THE RED.

>> WELL, IT'S ACTUALLY NOT, RIGHT, SUSAN.

I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A WRONG PARCEL NUMBER IN THE PACKAGE THIS WAS CONFUSING TO ME MIKE WHEN I PULLED IT UP. IS THAT A MAP YOU CAN SLIDE UP ON IT. SEE THAT RETENTION POND THERE AT THE TOP OF THE PICTURE.

IT'S THAT PARCEL. THAT OCCURS UP AND GOES

AROUND TO THE ROAD. >> THIS IS JUST A STATIC PDF

SHOT THE AREA. >> ALSO GET THE AM CAN'T UP HERE MAYBE YOU CAN FIND AND MAYBE YOU CAN FIND A LITTLE BIT BETTER MAP THAT WHILE WE'RE GETTING HER REPORT.

>>. >> SUSAN FRASER 35 PARK STREET IN JACKSONVILLE I'M HERE REPRESENTING BEN TODD.

THIS PARTICULAR SITE IS THE LAST PUD WAS IF YOU HAVE BEEN IN LAKE SANDRIDGE AND HENLEY THE WINN-DIXIE SO THE WINN-DIXIE ACROSS FROM THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL THAT'S THE -- THE WINN-DIXIE IS OUTPARCEL THERE'S A VACANT PARCEL TO THE NORTH OF THAT. LOOPS OUT AND COMES OUT ON HENLEY. THIS IS THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF THE EIGHT ACRES THAT IS VACANTS.

WHEN YOU DRIVE THROUGH THERE'S A DAYCARE -- THERE'S LITTLE OFFICES THAT RUN ALONG HENLEY THIS IS THAT VACANT PARCEL SINCE 1989 THIS WAS ALL THE HOUSING AROUND THAT WAS PART OF THIS BAZELYPUD.

SO THE PUD ITSELF. >> I'M GOING TO INTERRUPT YOU A SECOND, SUSAN. JUST SO MIKE HAS IT UP NOW WHERE HIS CURSOR IS THAT'S THE PARCEL WE'RE TALKING

ABOUT, RIGHT. >> I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN TURN THE AERIAL ON MIKE BEHIND THAT?

>>. >> THAT'S JUST ZONING MAP.

I DON'T KNOW THAT IT HAS AERIAL.

BUT I JUST WANTED, THERE YOU GO.

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SO. >> CORRECT.

SO ONLY PIECE THAT'S VACANT THAT REMAINS IS THIS EIGHT ACRE PARCEL. IT'S ACTUALLY NINE ACRES ON THE PROPERTY APPRAISER AND THE POND IS ABOUT A ACRE.

SO THE DEVELOPABLE PORTION IS 8.26 THERE'S PUD SITE PLAN. THAT THE PARCEL THAT IS NOT THE BLUE BOX NOT THE WINN-DIXIE PARKING LOT BUT THE RED BOX ABOVE THAT THAT'S THE BAPTIST ACUTE CENTER AND THAT'S UNDER CONSTRUCTION OR IT'S COMING TO CONSTRUCTION. THERE IS A ROAD THAT CONNECTS FROM THE WINN-DIXIE PARKING LOT ON THE EAST SIDE OF THAT RED BOX WHERE THE BAPTIST IS IT GOES STRAIGHT UP TO BRANSCUM. AN INTERNAL ROAD LIKE YOU WOULD HAVE IN A SHOPPING CENTER.

SO YOU CAN COME OFF BRANSCUM AND YOU WILL BE ABLE TO DRIVE BEHIND THIS SITE WE'LL TALK ABOUT IN A MINUTE.

BEHIND THE BAPTIST RIGHT INTO THE WINN-DIXIE.

SO THOSE PLANS HAVE BEEN APPROVED IT'S A PUD SITE PLAN AND WE'RE NOT HERE REQUESTING ANY CHANGES TO THAT SITE PLAN. THE CORNER THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS NORTH OF THAT RED BOX.

SO IT'S NORTH OF THE RED BOX BETWEEN BRANSCUM, HENLEY AND THAT ROAD I JUST DESCRIBED IT'S GOING TO BE INSIDE THAT SUBDIVISION. THE CONTRACT FOR PURCHASE I WOULD SAY ACTUALLY THE PURCHASE HAS ALREADY OCCURRED. THIS IS A MCDONALD'S SITE.

THE SITE PLAN IS APPROVED BY D.R.C.

I WILL ACTUALLY TURN IN THE BUILDING PERMIT PLANS TOMORROW. THIS IS NOT THE GEOMETRY OF THE SITE IT'S A PERMITTED USE.

THE PUD SAID SO FAST-FOOD IS A PERMITTED USE ON ANYWHERE IN THIS 8.26 ACRES. BUT THE ONLY 24-HOUR USE PERMITTED IN THIS VACANT BOX IS A CONVENIENCE GAS STATION A BIG GAS STATION THAT'S WHAT THIS WAS MARKETED AS INITIALLY. SO THE AREA SINCE 1989 HAS GONE FROM COWS AND TREES TO LOTS OF HOUSES AND AN INTERSTATE. NOW WE HAVE A MCDONALD'S THIS WILL ONLY BE THE FIRST FAST-FOOD IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. SO MCDONALD'S IS A FRANCHISEE OWNERSHIP AND TYPICALLY THE FRANCHISEE HAS THE RIGHT TO HAVE A 24-HOUR USE IN THEIR FRANCHISE AGREEMENT AND IF THE MARKET IS THERE AND THE COMMUNITY SUPPORTS IT THEN THEY WOULD DO THAT.

IF IT DOESN'T THEY WOULD NOT.

SO IT'S NOT. IF YOU GRANT THIS IT DOESN'T MEAN THERE'S GOING TO BE A 24 MCDONALD'S THERE IT MEANS THAT THE OPPORTUNITY IS THERE SHOULD THEY FIND THE MARKET SUPPORTS AND THE COMMUNITY.

WE ARE REALLY ASKING THAT THE GAS STATION 24-HOUR USE BE EXCHANGED FOR FAST-FOOD 24-HOUR USE IT IS ABSOLUTELY MCDONALD'S AND I'M HERE TO BACK YOU ANY QUESTIONS YOU

MIGHT HAVE. >> THAT'S THE BAPTIST SITE.

>> IT HAS NOTHING TO DO SUSAN WITH THE REST OF THAT PROPERTY THAT'S ADJACENT TO IT.

>> IT'S PART OF THE PUD. THE RED BOX IS PART OF THE PUD. IT WAS PART OF THE PUD SITE PLAN IT HAS BEEN SOLD. THE RED BOX IS WHERE THE BAPTIST ACUTE CARE CENTER IS GOING.

NORTH OF THAT BAPTIST AT THE CORNER OF BRANSCUM RIGHT THERE, CORRECT. YES.

YES. AND AGAIN.

>> I WAS GETTING CONFUSED THERE.

TO THE EAST OF BOTH OF THOSE PARCELS IS THIS LITTLE IF YOU ARE OUT THERE YOU SEE CONSTRUCTION GOING ON AND IT'S STILL BUILDING THAT CONNECTOR ROAD TODAY.

>> SO THIS ZONING CHANGE WOULD ACTUALLY BE IN EFFECT FOR THAT ENTIRE PIECE OF PROPERTY EXCEPT FOR THE

BOXED AREA, CORRECT. >> IT WOULD SAY 24-HOUR USE

FAST-FOOD, YES. >> ONLY.

>> AS THEY CONTINUE TO DEVELOP THE BACK END OF THAT LOT IS WHAT I'M ASKING WHERE THE RESIDENTS ARE.

THERE WOULD NOT BE ANY 24-HOUR USAGE OTHER THAN FOR FAST-FOOD. CORRECT, ABSOLUTELY.

ABSOLUTELY. SO LIKE IF CHICK-FIL-A WANTED TO GO 24 HOURS THEY COULD PUT IT RIGHT NEXT TO

THAT POND. >> MIKE DO YOU HAVE THE LANGUAGE. I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE LIMITED TO THE 24-HOUR ON THE NORTHWEST CORNER.

CAN YOU PULL IT UP. --

>> I THINK THE QUESTION COULD THERE BE ANOTHER

24-HOUR FAST-FOOD. >> THAT'S THE QUESTION THAT I'M ASKING. YES IT COULD BE ANYWHERE ON THE SITE. IS THERE ANYONE WITHIN EIGHT ACRES. IS THERE ANY WAY THAT THAT

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24-HOUR BUSINESSES BACK. THERE I WOULDN'T BE IN FAVOR OF THAT. THE SITE PLAN WE WOULD HAVE TO AMEND. IT'S APPROVED THAT FREESTANDING MCDONALD'S, FREESTANDING GAS STATION IS WHAT THE SITE PLAN DEPICTS. THE BALANCE IS A STRIP CENTER. SO IF WE WERE TO PROPOSE ANOTHER 24-HOUR ANYBODY CAME IN FAST-FOOD AT ALL.

YOU HAVE TO CHANGE SITE PLAN WE HAVE TO COME BACK FOR YOU TO APPROVE A SITE PLAN APPROVAL.

I WOULD OFFER YOU TO THAT I AGREE WITH YOU ABOUT THE 24-HOUR OFF HENLEY THAT THE SITE PLAN DOES NOT ALLOW ANY OF THAT KIND OF BIG DRIVE-THRU USE UNDER THE CURRENT SITE PLAN. SO IT CAN ONLY BE ON THAT

CORNER. >> ARE YOU DONE?

>> I'M OKAY WITH THIS FOR NOW.

>> JUST AS A CLARIFYING POINT I THINK I KNOW THE ANSWER TO THIS QUESTION ALREADY.

CURRENTLY IT'S ZONED FOR 24 HOURS CONVENIENCE STORE OR

GAS STATION. >> CORRECT.

>> ALL EIGHT ACRES CURRENTLY HAVE 24-HOUR USAGE.

>> YOU SEE GAS CONVENIENCE STORE WAS RESTRICTED IN LOCATION. SO -- THAT'S WHERE THE COMMISSIONER IS REFERRING TO, OKAY.

>> YOU SEE THE GAS STATION NOW WE'RE NOT RESTRICTING THE LOCATIONS. SOMETHING THAT SAID FAST-FOOD IS THAT WHAT IT SAYS? THE FAST-FOOD USE IN THE NORTHWEST CORNER WOULD BE RESTRICTED TO THE 24 HOURS, RIGHT.

YOU WOULD LIKE TO KEEP THE 54 HOUR USE WHERE IT IS NOW.

ONLY ON THE FRONT END OF THAT PARCEL.

THE NORTHWEST CORNER, CORRECT.

>> DO YOU THINK SUSAN THAT YOUR CLIENT WOULD HAVE AN

ISSUE WITH THAT? >> I DON'T.

ONLY BECAUSE THERE'S, AGAIN IT'S A MARKET DECISION.

BUT I WOULD SAY MAKE THE RECOMMENDATION THEY WOULD FIND APPROPRIATE. SOME OTHER FAST-FOOD PERSON MAY WANT TO GO IN THERE ON THAT CORNER.

LET ME SEE IF THERE'S ANYBODY THAT WANTS TO SPEAK ON THIS ONE BECAUSE I DO HAVE SOME MORE QUESTIONS.

I'M GOING TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

I DON'T HAVE A CARD ON THIS ONE.

DOES ANYBODY WANTS TO SPEAK ON THIS ONE? RIGHT. SEEING NO ONE I WILL CLOSE THE HEARING. WHEN I LOOKED AT THIS AND I FIGURED OUT WHAT THE PARCEL WAS HONESTLY I THINK YOU'RE BEING A LITTLE RESTRICTIVE WHEN I LOOK AT THIS AND I DON'T USUALLY ACCUSE YOU OF THAT.

BUT I THINK YOU'RE BEING A LITTLE RESTRICTIVE IN THAT WHAT YOU'RE REALLY TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH IS TO KEEP THE CORNER 24-HOUR AND YOU'RE STRIKING THE CONVENIENCE STORE USE BUT. I MEAN, THEY CAN'T BE BUILT

ON TOP OF EACH OTHER. >> CORRECT.

>> SO, WHY NOT LEAVE THE USE THAT'S THERE AND JUST THAT YOU COULD IN PLACE OF I HAVE THE A FAST-FOOD ESTABLISHMENT THAT WAS 24 HOURS.

WELL, AND I'M REMISS IN NOT GIVING YOU THE SITE PLAN FOR THIS PUD. THERE IS NO PLACE IN THE PUD SITE PLAN FOR ANOTHER FREESTANDING BUILDING.

SO ONCE I SWAP OUT THE GAS STATION FOR A MCDONALD'S THERE IS NO PLACE TO PUT A GAS STATION.

WHETHER YOU FIND IT APPROPRIATE OR NOT THE SITE PLAN WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK TO YOU IF THERE WAS A USE LIKE THAT PROPOSED. SO, SO WE'RE COMFORTABLE WITH THIS SITE PLAN THAT'S PLANNED OUT WE KNOW IT'S ON HENLEY WE KNOW THE STRIP CENTER IT'S BIG PARKING LOT THOSE PIECES ARE PIECES TO CHANGE.

THE WHOLE DEAL YOU'RE FOCUSED ON FELL THROUGH THEN GAS COMPANY OR GAS STATION WANTED TO GO IN THERE THEN WE GOT TO COME BACK AND REDO THIS WHY NOT MAKE THAT PIECE OF THE PARCEL EITHER BE A 24 GAS CONVENIENCE OR A 24-HOUR

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IF THEY EVER TEAR THE MCDONALD'S DOWN THEY CAN PUT

A GAS STATION IN THERE. >> IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION WE WOULD NOT OPPOSE IT.

I'M TURNING IN THE BUILDING PERMIT FOR MCDONALD'S TOMORROW SO IT'S A PRETTY DONE DEAL.

>> WELL, I THINK IT TAKES CARE OF JOE'S ISSUE ABOUT JUST KEEPING THE 24-HOUR USE ON THAT CORNER.

IF WE JUST LEAVE THE LANGUAGE ALONE AS IT IS AND SAY YOU KNOW IN ADDITION TO THE GAS STATION YOU COULD PUT A FAST-FOOD THERE. SO IF YOU BE CLEAR ABOUT YOUR MOTION THAT MIKE, CAN YOU PULL THE LANGUAGE UP AGAIN JUST SO WE CAN MAKE SURE WE KNOW WHAT WE'RE

GOING TO SAY. >> IF THAT'S WHERE YOU WANT TO GO IT SBHANDS WE'RE REQUESTING.

>> I DON'T THINK IT CHANGES THE END RESULT.

>> SO YOU WOULD HAVE THE 24/YOU WOULD HAVE THE 24 ESTABLISHMENT AND FAST-FOOD. YOU WOULD HAVE TWO 24-HOUR

USES. >> RESTRICTED IN LOCATION TO

THE NORTHWEST CORNER. >> OR WHERE IT SAYS GAS STATION CONVENIENCE STORE OR FAST-FOOD IS PERMITTED.

SO, SO, YES YOU CAN JUST PUT THEM IN 24-HOUR USE IS LIMITED TO THE NORTHWEST CORNER AND THE USES THAT CAN BE 24-HOUR ARE CONVENIENCE GAS AND FAST-FOOD.

THAT'S WHERE ALL OF YOU ARE LEANING THAT WOULD BE FINE.

BUT WE'RE FINE WITH THIS LANGUAGE IF YOU FIND THAT TO

BE APPROPRIATE. >> OKAY.

I'M DONE. >> DOES ANYBODY HAVE A MOTION. YOU KIND OF HAVE TWO OPTION HERE JUST TAKE THE LANGUAGE AS IT IS PRESENTED WITH THE ISSUE THAT WE CAN END -- OR REWARD THIS A LITTLE TO RESTRICT THE USE TO THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF THE PARCEL. I MEAN YOU COULD KEEP IT WITH THE CHANGES THAT ARE PROPOSED IN THE DISTRICT.

>> I THINK IF THEY JUST EDITED FAST-FOOD IN THERE A GAS STATION COULD BE IN STORE.

A FAST-FOOD RESTAURANT OF THE PARCEL I THINK THAT THAT

WOULD BE FINE. >> BUT WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR RESTRICTION ON NON24-HOUR FAST-FOOD.

I MEAN I CAN'T TELL YOU THAT THERE WOULD NOT BE.

>> YOU, WE WANT LANGUAGE THAT JUST SAYS 24-HOUR USE IS LIMITED TO THAT CORNER OF THE PARCEL.

>> SO PERHAPS IF IT WOULD BE THAT 24 HOURS LANGUAGE WOULD BE RESTRICTED TO THE NORTHWEST CORNER.

AND LEAVE EVERYTHING THE WAY IT IS.

SO I THINK YOU PROBABLY HAVE TO REWRITE THIS A LITTLE.

WE'LL TAKE THE STAFF REPORT LIMIT THE 24-HOUR USE TO THE NORTHWEST CORNER. I WOULD APPROVE THAT.

DO YOU NEED ME TO SPELL IT ALL OUT.

>> YES. >> I HATE WHEN YOU DO THAT

TO ME. >> DO YOU WANT ME TO DO IT.

>> GO AHEAD. YEAH.

>> SO WE WOULD MOVE THE STAFF REPORT WITH THE ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENT THAT'S 24-HOUR USE BE RESTRICTED TO THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF THE PARCEL.

>> THAT WOULD BE MY MOTION. MR. NORTON IS SECOND.

MR. DAVIS I'M SORRY. IT'S THE MUSTACHE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION SEEING NONE I WILL CALL IT ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION STATE AYE.

>> AYE. OPPOSED.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.

>> OKAY. >> ALL RIGHT.

[3.  Public Hearing to consider REZ-2022-03 (M. Brown)]

PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER REZ-2022-03.

THIS IS TO REZONE 1.6 ACHERS FROM AGRICULTURE RESIDENTIAL TO PUBLIC SERVICES-1. PS-1.

MR. BROWN. >> CHAIRMAN, AND COMMISSION SEEING 22-03 IS APPLICATION BY ST. JOHN'S CLASSICAL ACADEMY INC. WHY IS ZONING CHANGE OF 1.61 ACRES FROM AR AGRICULTURE RESIDENTIAL TO PS-1 PRIVATE SERVICES.

PARCEL LOCATED AT 114 IT IS IN COMMISSION DISTRICT 1

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THIS WILL BE HEARD APRIL 26TH.

PARCEL IS OWNED BY ST. JOHN'S CLASSICAL ACADEMY WHICH ALSO OWNS THE ADJACENT PARCEL TO THE NORTH.

THE ADJACENT PARCEL TO THE NORTH IS DESIGNATED PS-1.

AND IT'S THE SITE OF THE CHARTER SCHOOL OWNED BY THE APPLICANT. THE FUTURE LAND USE OF THE SUBJECT PARCEL IS RURAL FRINGE, PS-1 IS AN ALLOWABLE DISTRICT IN THE RURAL FRINGE.

AS WELL AS PUBLIC EDUCATION FACILITIES ARE ALLOWED IN THE PS-1 ZONING DISTRICT AS A CONDITIONAL USE.

THE DESIRE IS TO JUST EXPAND THE EXISTING USAGE ASSOCIATED WITH THE PARCEL TO THE NORTH OF THE EXISTING CHARTER SCHOOL. HERE'S A SHOT OF THE ZONING SURROUNDING THE PARCEL AND AN AERIAL OF THE PARCEL.

OKAY. >> IN SUMMARY THIS IS A REQUEST TO CHANGE ZONING FROM AR TO PS-1 ON 1.61 ACRES. IT CHANGED THE PS-1 ZONING DISTRICT WOULD ALLOW FOR THE USE OF THIS SITE CONSISTENT WITH THE USE ON THE PARCEL IMMEDIATELY NORTH WHICH IS UNDER THE SAME OWNERSHIP. THE PS-1 ZONING IS CONSISTENT WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE CATEGORY.

STAFF HAS REVIEWED THE APPLICATION AND DETERMINED THAT THE REQUEST IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING AREA AND STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF APPLICATION Z 22-03. ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF?

>> WOULD YOU BACK UP A COUPLE SLIDES.

I JUST WANT TO POINTED SOMETHING OUT IN CASE PEOPLE DON'T REALIZE IT. GO TO THE MAP, I'M SORRY.

ON THE LEFT MAP THERE, YOU SEE THE PS-1 WHICH IS THE SCHOOL. ACROSS THE ROAD FROM THAT IT SAYS AR BUT THAT AR IS NOT REALLY AR IT HAS A WHOLE BUNCH OF TOWNHOUSES ON IT. IT'S MULTIFAMILY AREAS.

SO IT'S A LITTLE MISLEADING. I KNOW THERE WAS SOME LEADING THING ABOUT ALL THAT PARTICULAR PARCEL.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY IS AWARE THAT ACROSS THE ROAD IT'S A BIG MULTIFAMILY COMPLEX THERE.

DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON THIS ONE? ALL RIGHT.

SEEING NONE. I WILL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING IS DID THE APPLICANT COME AT ALL.

THEN WE'LL MOVE ON TO PUBLIC COMMENTS.

I HAVE MARK DILL. YES, SIR.

>> MARK DILL, 148 CANOVA ROAD.

JUST POINT OUT NOTE THAT THE ADDRESS IS WRONG IN YOUR FILING IT'S 1114 IT'S 146 CANOVA I KNOW THAT WHICH IS ONE 48 WHICH IS THE PROPERTY RIGHT NEXT DOOR.

I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THIS BOARD TO DISAPPROVE THIS CHANGE IN ZONING. CURRENTLY NOW ON THAT PROPERTY SITS A RESIDENTIAL HOUSE AN EMPLOYEE OF THE SCHOOL SOLD IT TO THE SCHOOL.

SO THEY WANT TO TEAR DOWN THAT HOUSE, CLEAR THE PROPERTY AND PUT IN A PARKING LOT.

SO THAT SCHOOL ALREADY HAS HAD VERY NEGATIVE AFFECT ON THE RESIDENTS OF CANOVA ROAD.

UP TO THREE DIFFERENT TIMES DURING THE DAY CANOVA ROAD IS UNUSABLE IN ONE DIRECTION BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE LINED UP EITHER TO DROP THEIR KIDS OFF AT THE SCHOOL OR LINED UP WAITING TO COME IN AND PICK THEM UP.

>> SO FOR PEOPLE WHO LIVE ON THE EAST SIDE THEY HAVE CARS PARKED IN THEIR PROPERTY WAITING SOMETIMES AN HOUR AHEAD BEFORE THE SCHOOL EVEN ALLOWS PEOPLE TO COME IN AND PICK IT UP. SO WITH THEM PUTTING IN A PARKING LOT I'M ESPECIALLY CONCERNED BECAUSE MY BEDROOM WINDOW IS 30 FEET FROM THAT PROPERTY LINE.

SO NOW I WILL GO FROM HAVING A NICE GREEN SPACE NEXT TO MY BEDROOM TO HAVING A PARKING LOT THAT'S GOING TO BE HEAVILY USED BETWEEN THE HOURS OF 6:30 AND 7:30 IN THE MORNING. OKAY.

>> THANK YOU. >> ANYONE ELSE ON THIS? I WANT TO CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING AND BRING IT BACK

FOR DISCUSSION. >> SO IF I MAY MR. CHAIRMAN.

>> I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH THIS AREA AND THE TRAFFIC THAT MR. DILL REFERRED TO. HOWEVER, YOU KNOW, THIS IS LAND USE ZONING FROM LAND USE AND ZONING STANDPOINT

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BUT THAT'S NOT THIS BODY. THIS BODY IS LAND USE AND ZONING. SO I JUST WANT TO ADD THAT

TO THE CONVERSATION. >> ANYONE ELSE.

MR. DAVIS. >> I QUESTION WHETHER OR NOT WE CAN EITHER MAKE A DECISION WE HAVEN'T HEARD FROM THE APPLICANT. WE HAVE NO IDEA WHAT HE'S GOING TO DO WITH THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY WHETHER HE'S GOING TO TURN IT INTO A PARKING LOT OR QUEUE LINE TO RELIEVE THE TRAFFIC PROBLEM ON CANOVA ROAD? ALSO THIS IS A ZONING REQUEST IT SHOULD HAVE GONE TO THE FIAC FOR THEM TO REVIEW THEN BRING THE RECOMMENDATION FROM THERE AT WHICH TIME THEY WOULD HAVE INVITED THE APPLICANT TO COME AND SIT WITH THEM TO DISCUSS IT. NOW I TALKED WITH THE FIC INDIVIDUALS AND BASED ON THE SURFACE LIKE YOU'RE SAYING IT'S CONTIGUOUS TO IT IT'S PART OF THE SCHOOL WE NEED TO HAVE MORE INFORMATION BEFORE WE CAN SLAM-DUNK IT

ONE WAY OR ANOTHER. >> I HAVE A QUESTION.

>> IT'S -- IT'S THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE FOR THE PLANNING

DISTRICT. >> I AGREE.

I THINK IT WOULD BE REAL HELPFUL TO HAVE THE

APPLICANT HERE. >> WELL, I BELIEVE THAT UNDER THE KIND OF RULES IT SHOULD HAVE GONE TO THE CAC

BEFORE IT CAME TO US. >> WHETHER IT'S CONTENTIOUS

OR NOT. >> I WOULD THINK MAYBE A CONTINUOUS -- CONTINUANCE WOULD BE IN ORDER AND GET THAT TAKEN CARE OF. LET THEM GO TALK TO THE CAC.

SO. I'M OPEN FOR A MOTION.

WE HAVE A COUPLE OF OPTIONS. WE CAN APPROVE, DISAPPROVE OR DO A CONTINUANCE. I'LL MAKE A MOTION DO A

CONTINUANCE. >> OKAY.

>> SECOND. >> ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON IT. SEEING NONE ALL THOSE IN CONTINUANCE OF NEXT MONTH SORRY.

>> IF YOU'RE NOT AWARE MR. DAVIS MENTIONED THE FLEMING ISLAND CITIZEN RYE COMMITTEE OF THAT.

>> ARE YOU AWARE OF THAT. >> IF I CAN GET YOUR NAME AND PHONE NUMBER. I'LL GET IT OFF THE CARD AND I'LL HAVE HIM REACH OUT TO YOU.

>> I NEED THAT. >> ALL RIGHT.

WITH THAT WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ITEM.

[4.  Public Hearing to consider LDC-2021-14. (M. Brown)]

LDC FOR THE MINI WAREHOUSES. >> THIS IS A CONTINUATION FROM LAST MONTH. YOU HEARD PRESENTATION BY STAFF AND THE APPLICANT. YOU RAISED SOME CONCERNS AND THEN THERE WAS A MOTION TO CONTINUE IT TO THIS MONTH.

REAL QUICK OVERLOOK THE APPLICANT IS ATLANTIC SELF-STORAGE. REQUEST TO AMEND SECTION 3-5 AM OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE PERTAINING TO MINI WAREHOUSE'S CONDITIONAL USE CRITERIA.

YES, NINEY WAREHOUSES ARE ALLOWED -- MINI WAREHOUSES ARE ALLOWED. BRANDON FIELD ACTIVITY CENTER. YOU HEARD LIKE I SAID EARLIER IF THEY DID GO OVER THE MAJORITY OF THE CHANGES THERE WERE SOME GRAMMATICAL CHANGES SINCE THAT PASSED THAT WE CLEANED UP. BUT, THESE I BELIEVE ARE THE PERTINENT CHANGES BASED ON THE DISCUSSION FROM LAST MONTH'S MEETING AS IT RELATES TO THE SINGLE STORY MINI WAREHOUSE CRITERIA. WOULD REQUIRE AN EIGHT FOOT WALL TO SEPARATE RESIDENTIAL USES AND IN LIEU OF A WALL

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IT WOULD ALSO ALLOW FOR EIGHT FOOT WALL OR FENCE OR REQUIRE AN EIGHT FOOT WALL OR FENCE IF AN OPEN STORAGE INCLUDING R.V.S AND BOAT STORAGE IS PROVIDED.

AND THE EXTERIOR LIGHTING STANDARDS WERE CHANGED TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE LAKE ASBURY STANDARDS.

FOR THE MULTISTORY, EXCUSE ME, MINI WAREHOUSE.

THE CHANGE FROM LAST MONTH TO THIS MONTH THE SITE SETBACKS WOULD REMAIN AT 15 FEET.

MAXIMUM HEIGHT WOULD BE 60 FOOT FOR ANY MULTISTORY MINI WAREHOUSE. AGAIN AN EIGHT FOOT WALL TO SEPARATE FROM RESIDENTIAL USES ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL USES EIGHT FOOT WALL OR FENCE BETWEEN R.V. BOAT STORAGE AND THEN AGAIN THE EXTERIOR LIGHTING WOULD CHANGE AND AMENDED TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE LAKE ASBURY STANDARDS THOSE WERE I BELIEVE THE -- WITH THAT I WILL, IF HAVE YOU ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF STAFF IT'S

TOUGH TO ANSWER THEM. >> ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF. I WANT TO GET RIGHT TO IT.

THE APPLICANT. >> I REPRESENT THE APPLICANT.

THANK YOU. MIKE HAS DONE A GOOD JOB OF SUMMARIZING THIS. WE WERE HERE ON FEBRUARY 1ST, AND WE HAD A LONG DISCUSSION WITH YOU.

BASED ON THAT WE WENT BACK TO THE OFFICE AND CRUNCHED THINGS A BIT. AND I THINK THOSE ARE PRINCIPALLY WHAT WE DID BUT WE ALSO RESTORED SOME THINGS THAT WERE, THAT WE HAD CHANGED.

WE WENT FROM SIX TO EIGHT FEET FOR OUR WALLS WE RESTORED THE ENTRYWAY WE HAVE SAID TWO OF THESE FEATURES FOR CANOPIES WE CHANGED IT BACK TO THREE WHICH CONSISTENT TO THE CODE.

I KNOW IT LOOKS KIND OF UGLY BUT I WANTED IT TO BE REALLY VERBATIM ENDS ARERS OF DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE LAKE ASBURY LIGHTING STANDARDS AND THOSE THAT WERE IN WITH AN EXISTING CODE. MIKE MIGHT HAVE CLEANED UP A BIT OF LOOSE LANGUAGE IN THE END.

WE HAVE THE 60 FOOT HEIGHT MAXIMUM.

WE RESTORED THE SETBACK 15 FEET ON THE SIDES.

WE RESTORED THE LANGUAGE ABOUT THE DEAD STORAGE NO ACTIVITIES OCCUR WITHIN THE SITE WE ADDED SOME LANGUAGE THAT SAID THAT WE COULD USE INCLUSION OF STOREFRONT AND FAUX WINDOWS MAY BE UNITED LIDS IN LIEU OF ACTUAL WINDOWS. SO MAY BE USED IN LIEU OF ACTUAL WINDOWS. BUILDING AND FACADES ON BUILDINGS THAT HAD FACE FRONTED ENTRANCE WE CHANGED IT BACK TO STREET. THERE'S A COUPLE TYPOS THAT WE'VE CAUGHT, SORRY, MIKE. ONE OF THEM IS, IS THIS THE REPORT THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT? THE STAFF REPORT WITH THE ORDINANCE BEHIND IT.

SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE ON THE RIGHT PAGE.

OKAY. ON PAGE 8 LINE 329 THOSE REFERENCES TO THE SUBPARAGRAPHS THEY SHOULD BE

TO 13, CORRECT, MIKE. >> YES.

SO THOSE SHOULD BE 13 A THROUGH 13 -- THEN IN HEIGHT

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I'LL HAVE TO GO BACK AND SEE WHAT THE EXISTING CODE IS.

IT SHOULD BE BETWEEN 50 FEET TO 100 FEET.

AGAIN WE WORKED VERY HARD TO ADDRESS YOUR CONCERNS.

WE UNDERSTAND THIS IS A WHOLESALE REVISION TO BRING A MORE MODERN FROCH SELF-STORAGE THEN YOU HAVE THE PRODUCT THAT WE'RE NOW PRODUCING. ON U.S. 1 NEAR 207 BECAUSE I WENT BY IT THE OTHER DAY. AND AGAIN THEY LOOK TO ME LIKE THEY COULD BE OFFICES. SO WE'RE HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. SOME OF THE PRINCIPLES FOR THE APPLICANT HERE. DO YOU HAVE ANY ANSWERS FOR THEM. DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION.

NO, SIR, I'LL DEFER TO YOU. ANYONE ELSE? I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY SOME STUFF HOPEFULLY YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE SAME COPY I AM.

IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE IT'S THE STRIKE THROUGH.

HOPEFULLY WE'RE IN THE SAME PLACE.

LET'S TRY LINE 52 ON IT'S ON AGE TWO.

>> OKAY THAT WOULD BE PAGE 3 LINE 122 ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL SHOULD BE SEPARATED BY MASONRY WALL.

THE MAIN PART IS THE NEW STUFF THE BACK SIDE OF AN

INTERIOR FACING BUILDING. >> YES, WE DID ADD THAT.

>> CAN YOU JUST TELL ME WHAT YOU MEAN BY INTERIOR FACING BUILDING. SUPPOSE YOU HAVE NOW THIS IS

FOR SINGLE STORY, CORRECT? >> YEAH, WE'RE IN SINGLE STORY. LET'S SAY YOU HAVE TRADITION -- TRADITIONAL SINGLE STORY WITH THE ROLLUP DOORS BECAUSE THEY'RE FACING INWARD.

>> THE DRIVEWAY. YES, WELL, LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE WHAT'S THE ONE UP ON FLEMING ISLAND TOWARDS CONVALESCE END HOME. TELL ME WHAT IT'S CALLED.

EVERYTHING IS INSIDE FACING. THERE LIEU OF PUTTING UP A WALL IF YOU HAD THE BACK SIDE OF YOUR BUILDING WITH YOUR DOORS FACING INWARD WE WOULD WANT TO BE ABLE TO USE THAT IN LIEU OF A WALL NOT HAVE THE BACK SIDE OF A BUILDING AND THEN A WALL. BECAUSE IT PROVIDES THE SAME SECURITY AND THE SAME SCREENING BUT WE WOULD ADD ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES FOR THAT SO IT WOULDN'T JUST BE A BIG BLANK WALL. THAT'S THE PURPOSE OF THAT.

10, 12 FEET HIGH. THERE'S NO DOORS, THERE'S NO WINDOWS BUT WE COULD PUT ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES ON THE ROOF THAT WOULD BREAK UP JUST THE BLANK LOOK TO IT.

THE WLAL HAVE THE SAME SORT OF BLANK LOOK.

YOU STILL WOULDN'T HAVE TO HAVE THAT IF YOU IMAGINE THAT IT WAS ZERO LOT LINE LIKE?

>> NO, YOU'RE OBSERVING YOUR SETBACKS OKAY THAT YOU HAVE A BUILDING THAT RUNS THIS WAY ANOTHER ONE THAT RUNS THAT WAY OR A CONTINUATION OF IT AND THAT WAY.

THEN MAYBE HERE MAYBE YOU'RE COMPLETELY ENCLOSED BUT YOU HAVE A GATE RIGHT HERE THAT PEOPLE CAN COME IN BUT ALL OF THE ROLLUPS FACE INSIDE. SO INSTEAD OF HAVING TO PUT

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WALL. >> IT DOES CLEARLY I HAVE DIFFERENT LINE NUMBERS THAN YOU.

>> GENTLEMEN AND LADIES, THANK YOU, THAT'S A GOOD

CATCH. >> SO THAT WOULD ALSO SUPPLY FOR YEAH. I KNOW A LOT OF THIS LANGUAGE REPEATS. CAN YOU MAKE A NOTE OF THAT.

WHERE THAT IS. MIKE, IT'S OFTEN YOUR REPORT IT IS MAJOR 4 LINE 139 AND ALSO ON PAGE 8 LINE 310.

BUT GO. AFTER THAT YOU HAVE A LOT OF THE LISTED ABCDS AFTER THAT TO BUILDING FACADES AND/OR THAT HAVE LANDSCAPE OR VISUAL SCREENING.

BUT, I JUST NEED CAN YOU CLARIFY FOR ME WHAT THAT MEANS DOES THAT MEAN THAT IF YOU GOT PART OF THE BUILDING THAT FACES YOU KNOW CONSERVATION AREA NONE OF THIS APPLIES? OR IT'S JUST OPEN SPACE.

IF SOMEBODY BUILDS TO US WE DON'T WANT TO ASSUME ANYTHING. BUT IF WE'RE VISIBLE FROM THE ROADWAY THEN STANDARDS APPLY OR FROM AN ADJACENT PROPERTY. OBJECTING.

I THINK LIGHTING SUCH AREAS AND YOU STRUCK OUT NOT TO BE USED THAT IS NOT LANGUAGE WE'RE FORCED TO WORK DIGIT ON THAT. GIVE US A SECOND.

>> I THINK THAT'S THREE, I DON'T THINK YOU GET ANYWHERE.

DOWN JUST A LITTLE FURTHER AT SUBSECTION.

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WHAT WE'RE SAYING THERE IS IF SOMEBODY HAS ALREADY BUILT BUILT A MINI WAREHOUSE AND BECAUSE OF THE CHANGES WE'RE MAKING HERE AND THEY CAN SQUEEZE LIKE ANOTHER BUILDING IN ON THE PROPERTY THAT'S THE LANGUAGE THAT WILL ALTHEM. IT STARTS EXTENSION.

>> I GOT IT. AND NOW BECAUSE OF CHANGE AND SOME OF THE WORDING HERE ESSENTIALLY WHEN I READ WHAT WE STRUCK OUT I THOUGHT THAT'S ESSENTIALLY WHAT IT SAID BUT I THOUGHT IT WAS OVER WILL COOKED SO I TRIED TO MAKE IT SIMPLER. FOR A SITE THE ENTRANCE WILL BE DICTATED BY THE BUILDING ORIENTATION WITH RESPECT TO THE PROPERTY THIS IS ONE THAT I MIGHT HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF ISSUE THE MORE I THOUGHT ABOUT IT.

IF YOU HAVE A CORNER YEAH, LET'S NOT EVEN SAY A CORNER YOU HAVE A SITE THAT HAS A ROAD IN FRONT AND A ROAD BEHIND IT MAYBE ACROSS THAT ROAD IN THE BACK IS RESIDENTIAL I DON'T SEE ANY LANGUAGE HERE THAT ESSENTIALLY SAYS THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING HAS TO FACE THE HIGHEST TRAFFIC ROAD IS WHAT I'M THINKING.

I DON'T WANT THIS BUILDING SPUN AROUND AND FACING THE RESIDENCES IN OTHER WORDS. YOU UNDERSTAND MY QUESTION?

>> YEAH I DO. I MAN I WOULD THINK YOU WOULD WANTED IT THAT WAY. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE BECAUSE IT APPEARS TO ME FROM THAT LANGUAGE IF YOU HAVE MULTIPLE FRONTAGES YOU GET TO PICK THE FRONTAGE THAT YOU WANT TO CALL THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING.

>> WELL, THE PROBLEM MAY VERY WELL BE THE PROPERTY CONFIGURATION THE SHAPE OF THE PROPERTY WILL DICTATE MORE ABOUT WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO BE.

>> THE REASON FOR THE LANGUAGE IN THAT SUBSECTION IS SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE A LOT OF TIMES STORAGE FACILITIES, MULTISTORY FACILITIES, THE ENTRANCE ACTUALLY IS IN THE BACK. SO THE LOADING OCCURS IN THE REAR OF THE BUILDING IN BACK SO THAT'S THAT'S NOW THE ENTRANCE WHERE THE LOBBY IS AND WHERE THE OFFICE IS AND SUCH. AS OPPOSED TO OTHER USES WHERE THE FRONT WILL ALWAYS BE FATESING THAT ROADWAY.

TO BEGIN WITH OF THE TRAFFIC.

OFF LIKE A SIDE STREET THAN WE WOULD OFF THE MAIN ROAD.

IS WHAT I'M ASKING. REMEMBER THAT THE TRAFFIC IS ON PAR WITH A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE.

SO, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU CAN GET ANY LESS INTENSE THAN

THAT. >> I'M SORRY I DON'T KNOW

WHAT YOUR NAME WAS? >> BEN PERRY.

>> IN A SITUATION WHERE THE BACK TECHNICALLY THE BACK OF THE BUILDING IS THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING AS YOU STAYED IF THIS IS GOING TO BE THE BUILDING GOING TO BE ON A THOROUGHFARE HOW ARE YOU GOING TO TREAT THE FACADE OF THAT BACK SIDE OF BUILDING NOW.

ARE YOU GOING TO DO IT THE SAME WAY THAT MARK EXPLAINED BEFORE DOING SOMETHING ARCHITECTURAL OR JUST A

PLAIN WALL. >> IT WILL BE ARCHITECTURAL ENHANCEMENT AS WELL. THAT'S HOW WE WOULD TREAT THE BUILDING. SO IT WOULD JUST BE.

DOES THIS LANGUAGE REFLECT THAT.

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WHAT I'M SAYING WHAT WOULD BE ON STREET LEVEL WHAT WOULD THE ACTUAL BACK OF THE BUILDING BE STREET LEVEL AND THAT WOULD BE ON THE BACK SIDE

. >> I DENT THINK WE'LL BE ABLE TO HEAR YOU TALKING FROM THERE IS THE PROBLEM.

SO THIS IS ONE OF OUR FACILITIES THAT WE'VE RECENTLY BUILT -- IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY.

AND THIS IS 210 HERE. AND THIS IS THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING ACTUALLY SITS ON THIS SIDE OVER HERE IN THE PARKING AREA AND THAN IS THE SITE -- FRONT OF THE BUILDING. ALL FOUR SIDES OF THE BUILDING -- SO THAT IT LOOKS SIMILAR AS YOU GO.

AND THE LANGUAGE RIGHT NOW WITH THE CHANGES IFIER GOING TO MAKE THIS A BLANKET FOR THE COUNTY SOMEBODY ELSE COMES IN ANOTHER DEVELOPER COMES IN WHO WANTS TO DO THE SAME THING WE ARE GOING TO GIVE YOU THE BLOCK WALL.

THEY HAVE A VERY SIMILAR LOOK TO THIS EAST WEST PARKWAY. SO THAT IS SORT OF THE MODERN. A DIME FOR THIS KIND OF A PROJECT -- PARADIGM FOR THIS KIND OF A PROJECT.

IF WE ARE GOING TO PUT THIS FORWARD, MARK, YOU KNOW RATIFICATIONS DOWN THE ROAD SOMEBODY COMING IN LATER A THIRD PARTY A FOURTH QUARTER COMING IN AND SAYING LET ME WE'RE GOING TO DESIGN OUR BUILDING THIS WAY.

I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE LANGUAGE REPRESENTS THE FACT THEY'RE GOING TO LOOK LIKE THIS NO MATTER WHO BUILDS IT. IT'S ARCHITECTURALLY GOING TO BE DESIGNED SO THAT IT'S BUILDING.

I THINK WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR IS DOWN JUST A LITTLE BIT. IT'S THE ARC TER YOU AREAL AND ADDITIONAL -- ARCHITECTURAL ADDITIONAL STANDARDS WHERE IT SAYS BUILDING MASS MAY WE WILL CHANGE THAT TO SHALL THERE IN THAT SAME PLACE.

THREE OR MORE OF THE FOK TECHNIQUES THEN HAVE YOU

VARIATION YOUTH LINES. >> WHAT LINE ARE YOU ON?

>> I DON'T KNOW IF I HAVE THE SAME ONE AS YOU.

>> ONE IS ON PAGE 4. THE OTHER IS ON PAGE 8 SO LINE 310 ON PAGE 8 WILL BE THE MULTISTORY.

>> I DON'T HAVE 310 ON PAGE 8.

>> ARE YOU LOOKING AT THE STRIKE THROUGH COPY.

STRIKE THROUGH COPY IT'S ON PAGE 6, LINE 279

>> THAT'S WHY I CAN'T FIND IT.

SORRY. >> THEY DON'T HAVE TO DO ALL OF THIS AT ONE POINT THEY HAD TO DO ALL OF IT'S GOING TO ONLY BE UP WELL, IT COULD BE MORE BUT AT LEAST THREE OF THESE. SO THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT THEY CAN DO TO FIX THAT. WE'RE PROUD OF THE PROJECT.

>> I'M NOT QUESTIONING, THAT MARK AT ALL.

I'M CONCERNED ABOUT EVERYTHING ELSE YOU KNOW

WHAT I MEAN. >> BUT I THINK IT'S IN HERE.

RIGHT THERE. >> OKAY.

AS LONG AS IT'S THERE THEN I'M COMFORTABLE WITH IT.

>> LET ME GET BACK WHERE I WAS.

SINGLE STORY. IN THE MULTISTORY IT'S RIGHT

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WE GOT TO START PARKING ISLANDS THAT CONCERNS ME A LITTLE THAT WE'RE REALLY PUSHING DOWN ON THERE.

IS THAT TERRIBLY UNUSUAL THOUGH.

I THINK IT IS. CAN YOU TELL ME, MARK.

USUALLY OPEN SPACE YOU DON'T GO AROUND COUNTING HOW MUCH PARKING ISLANDS THIS VERY IN A PARKING LOT DO YOU?

>> USUALLY NOT, NO. NOT THE PARKING ISLANDS.

>> HOW ABOUT THE STORM WATER AND THE SETBACKS.

SETBACKS DEFINITELY AND STORM WATER WE HAVEN'T AND GENERALLY I DON'T BELIEVE. I'M TRYING TO THINK OF FOR OPEN SPACE I DON'T THINK WE'VE ALLOWED STORM WATER IN

THE PAST. >> SO ON THAT THE STORM WATER PONDS AND THE PARKING ISLANDS ARE KIND OF THE

STRETCH. >> WE CAN STRIKE PARKING ISLANDS ABOUT STORM WATER PONDS.

BECAUSE WE DON'T TYPICALLY INCLUDE THOSE IN OPEN SPACE IN OUR CALCULATIONS. SOME OF THE SITES WE DEAL WITH WHERE YOU HAVE MULTISTORY IF YOU DO EXCLUDE A RETENTION POND IT WOULD BE DIFFICULT TO BE ABLE TO DO IT ON MANY SITES. IF WE'RE LOOKING AT USING THE BEST LAND USE FOR THE PARTICULAR PROPERTY COMMERCIAL PROPERTY AND USING IT TO ITS FULL EXTENT.

IF YOU EXCLUDE A RETENTION POND IT CAN CAUSE A LOT OF ISSUES WITH BEING ABLE TO BUILD A STORAGE FACILITY ON A SITE IN AN APPROPRIATE MANNER.

IN ANOTHER JURISDICTIONS WE DO SO AND SOME JURISDICTIONS THEY COUNT PARKING ISLANDS BUT IN THIS INSTANCE WE WOULD BE OKAY WITH STRIKING PARKING ISLANDS BECAUSE IT'S NOT ALTOGETHER IT'S SEPARATED AROUND THE SITE WHERE SETBACKS WILL BE ALTOGETHER YOU KNOW CONTIGUOUS PONDS. CAN YOU MAKE A NOTE OF, THAT MIKE, THAT PARKING ISLANDS AND THAT SECTION HAVE TO GO AWAY. AND I'M NOT THE ARBITER HERE. THERE'S SIX OTHER PEOPLE HERE THAT MIGHT DISAGREE WITH SOME OF THIS.

I'M JUST GOING THROUGH THE NOTES I'VE GOT WE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THE ARCHITECTURAL STANDARDS WE WILL CHANGE THAT. I THINK THAT'S IT.

THAT'S ALL I HAD. >> I HAD TWO FIRST LET ME SAY I APPRECIATE MOST OF THE THANKS WE DISCUSSED WERE INCORPORATED INTO THIS MODIFICATION.

SO, JUST TWO POINTS THIS MAY BE A QUESTION FOR MICHAEL I'M SORRY FOR MR. BROWN. THERE WAS AN ACREAGE REQUIREMENT CHANGE. I SAW IT'S DOWN TO LIKE TWO OR TWO AND A HALF. THAT WAS A CHANGE FROM THE ORIGINAL. FROM THE ORIGINAL, YES.

IT WAS UP. I DON'T THINK IT WAS STRICTLY FOR THE SINGLE STORY FOR THE MULTISTORY THERE WAS NO ACREAGE REQUIREMENT.

>> WE HAVE DISCUSSED THIS AT THE LAST MEETING I DON'T

KNOW IF YOU RECALL THAT. >> I DO.

BECAUSE WE'RE HAVING A CONVERSATION AND THE MOTION HASN'T PASSED YET ON ANY OF THIS I JUST WANTED TO KIND OF REVISIT A COUPLE THINGS. SO WE DROP THE ACREAGE REQUIREMENT FROM FIVE ACHERS TO TWO ACRES.

>> I THINK THE OLD REQUIREMENT MIKE, WAS IT HAD TO BE TWO ACRES BUT IT WAS LIMITED TO LESS THAN FIVE ACRES. OKAY.

OKAY. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, I APPRECIATE THAT. THE OTHER ONE WAS CAN YOU WHY WE'RE STRIKING THROUGH IN BOTH SINGLE STORY AND MULTISTORY THE FIRST ITEM WHICH IS REMOVE THE REQUIREMENT TO HAVE DIRECT ACCESS ONTO AN ARTERIAL ROADWAY. I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THAT

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TO AN ARTERIAL. >> WHICH.

>> I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY IS CLEAR ON ONE THING. WHEN ROADWAYS ARE CATEGORIZED A LOT OF THIS WILL SAY IN ARTERIAL COUNTY ROAD 220 IS ARREST 10 -- ARTERIAL IT IS NOT IT'S A MAJOR COLLECTOR I THINK. THE ONLY ARTERIAL WE HAVE IN THIS COUNTY ARE U.S. 17, STATE ROAD 21 AND 301.

>> AND 16. AND 100.

I WENT BACK AND LOOKED AT THE MAP.

WE POINTED OUT TO ME THAT I MAY HAVE MISREAD THIS MAP THERE ARE SOME OTHER ONES. BUT 16 IS THE OWNING THING I ADD TO THAT IT'S POSSIBLE THAT THEY ADDED THAT LANGUAGE SO THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY MINI WAREHOUSES POPPING UP ALL OVER THE PLACE.

I JUST OFFER THAT. THANK YOU FOR ANSWERING THE

QUESTION. >> AGAIN IT'S CONTROLLED BY THE LAND USE ZONING DESIGNATION.

>> THANK YOU, SIR. >> FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH THERE ARE TOO MANY STORAGES TWO SEPARATE MUST HAVE BEEN GRANDFATHERED IN. POINT BEING THEY'RE OUT THERE. I HAVE NOTICED I KNOW THERE'S A FEW OTHERS WHICH WERE FAMILIAR WITH THAT JOHN O'CONNOR PUT UP. WE KNOW THERE'S ANOTHER ONE THAT WENT IN YET BUT IS ALLOWED ON 220 NEXT TO THE RAILROAD TRACKS. YOU APPROVED THAT AS A

PLANNED DEVELOP. >> AS PCD SO IT'S NOT UNPRECEDENTED THAT YOU HAVE THESE FACILITIES ON OTHER THAN ARTERIAL ROADS. I JUST THINK IT'S TOO LIMITING WHEN YOUR CONTROL IS REALLY THE ZONING.

>> THE ONE THAT I'M THINKING OF THAT I REMEMBER IT.

IF YOU'RE COMING WEST ON 220 WE HAVE A SIGN UP THAT SAYS WAREHOUSE -- I REALLY DO THINK THAT THE BETTER OPTION IS TO RESTRICT THIS BY ZONING.

BECAUSE WE CAN CONTROL THERE'S A LOT OF B.B. OUT THERE ALREADY. BUT IF SOMEBODY WANTED TO PUT -- BUT, THAT'S JUST MY THOUGHTS.

IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANTED TO SAY, MARK?

>> LOOK FORWARD TO A FAVORABLE.

WELL, I THINK WE CAPTURED THREE MINOR CHANGES WITH THE

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EVERYBODY. >> YOU WANT ME TO GO FIRST.

>> PLEASE. >> EVERYBODY KNOWS HOW I FEEL ABOUT. THIS I DO HAVE ONE CONCERN ABOUT THE RETENTION POND THING.

IF WE'RE GOING TO CHANGE THE CRITERIA AS FAR AS OPEN SPACE THAT'S GOING TO CHANGE THE MATRIX FOR A LOT OF FACILITIES NOW WHERE THE RETENTION PONDS ARE NOT PART OF THE OPEN SPACE SO THEY HAVE TO CALCULATE ADDITIONAL 20%. I'M JUST THROWING IT OUT THERE. IF WE GIVE IT TO THEM THEN IT HAS TO COME BEHIND WE HAVE THIS FOUR ACRE RETENTION POND THAT ACCOMPLISHES THE 20% OPEN SPACE. MULTISTORY WAREHOUSES.

I KNOW HAVE YOU HEARD BEFORE BUT I WANT TO GET IT IN THE RECORD THIS ASH PROPERTIES THING HAS BEEN A THORN MISS WHITFIELD CAME TO US EVEN BEFORE I WAS CHAIRMAN THREE DIFFERENT TIMES AND EACH TIME WE TOLD THEM NO BEFORE THEY WERE TOTALLY AGAINST IT.

SO THAT BRINGS US TO THIS. THEY GOT TO A POINT WHERE THEY COULD NOT GET PAST US OR GET PAST THE COUNTY AS FAR AS THE EXCEPTION TO THE CONDITIONAL USE.

SO NOW WE'RE FLOATING IN HERE WITH AN ORDINANCE CHANGE IT'S GOING TO IMPACT THE WHOLE THING AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE AREAS THAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT IT'S TWO ACRES AND IT'S IN A NEIGHBORHOOD BUSINESS AREA.

IT'S GOT B.B. ON IT BUT IT'S ALL ONE STORY, IT'S SMALL SHOPS IT'S VERY COMPACT. IT'S ALL TUCKED RIGHT IN THERE RIGHT ACROSS THE HIGH SCHOOL.

YOU GOT RESTAURANTS YOU GOT T-SHIRT SHOPS YOU GOT NAIL SHOTS SHOPS LITTLE SHOTS. WE'RE ALLOWING AN 80% FAR, F.A.R. ON THIS THING. 80% FAR THAT'S CLOSE TO 65 FOOTE,000 BUILDING THAT WILL BUILD RIGHT UP.

I GOT A 10 FOOT SETBACK. THAT'S ABOUT AS FAR FROM ME THAT'S NOT MUCH AT ALL. HEIGHT OF THE BUILDING 60 FEET 60 FEET WOULD LITERALLY DWARF EVERYTHING IN THAT AREA. THAT PLACE WAS BUILT OUT YEARS AGO. IF YOU WANT TO DO THIS OVER LAKE ASBURY FINE BECAUSE THERE'S STILL IN THE NOVICE STAGE THEY'RE COMING STILL OUT OF THE GROUND THEY CAN ACCOMMODATE IT. BUT EVERYTHING OVER THERE ON THE PLANTATION IN THAT AREA IS DONE WITH THE EXCEPTION OF A FEW LITTLE POCKETS HERE AND THERE.

ONE OF THEM IS WHAT ASH PROPERTIES BOUGHT.

THEY BAUD IT THEY'RE THE GURU OF MULTISTORAGE.

THEY KNEW IT WASN'T A MAJOR ARTERIAL ROAD THEY BAUD IT ANYWAY BECAUSE THEY INTENDSED TO COMING IN FOR EXCEPTION IT AND DIDN'T HAPPEN.

IT DIDN'T HAPPEN THREE TIMES.

SO NOW THEY WANTED US TO DO A WHOLE REWRITE FOR THE ENTIRE COUNTY. MR. BERET HIT ONE OF THE BUTTONS AS FAR AS MAJOR ARTERIAL THAT IS IT'S A METHOD OF CONTROLLING WHERE THESE THINGS ARE GOING.

IF WE PUSH THIS FORWARD AND THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS APPROVES IT THEN BASICALLY YOU'RE TAKING THE PLANNING COMMISSION THE PLANNINGS DEPARTMENT EVERYTHING COMPLETELY OUT OF THE MATRIX AS FAR AS WHERE THESE THINGS GO. YOU GOT A PIECE OF B.B. 1 PROPERTY OKAY IT'S PART OF THE AUTHORIZED USES BECAUSE IT'S NO LONGER IT'S JUST ON A ROAD.

FOUND CENTER BOULVARD IS ONE OF THE MAIN ENTRANCES INTO THE PLANTATION. YOU WANT TO PUTTED A 60-FOOT TALL BUILDING ON THE CORNER RIGHT ACROSS FROM THE HIGH SCHOOL THAT'S GOING TO AESTHETICALLY IT'S GOING TO COMPLETELY DISTORT THE ENTIRE ENVIRONMENT.

THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO SEE RIGHT ACROSS FROM THE

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SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE I'M COMING FROM.

LIKE I SAID IF YOU CAN CARVE OUT FLOATING ISLAND.

I DON'T KNOW THAT I HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH IT.

THESE OTHER AREAS HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO VOICE THEIR CONCERN. THE OTHER THING, TOO IS IF YOU TAKE THAT ARTERIAL CHECKPOINT OUT THEN THE RESIDENTS NO LONGER HAVE THE SAY EITHER.

LET ALONE THE PLANNINGS COMMISSION OR CACS FOR THAT PARTICULAR AREA. IT'S NOT A CONDITIONAL USE NOW I'M GOING TO PUT THIS 60-FOOT TALL 80,000 FOOT SQUARE FOOT BUILDING ON THIS CORNER.

THOSE ARE MY CONCERNS ABOUT THIS THING IT'S MOSTLY BECAUSE THEY HAVE BEEN UP AND DOWN THIS LADDER SEVERAL TIMES. EACH TIME WE HAVE WE'VE SAID NO, NO AND NO AND YET NOW WE'RE GOING TO REWRITE THIS ORDINANCE FOR THE ENTIRE COUNTY WHICH I THINK IS

GOING TO BE A BAD DAY. >> OKAY.

>> HOW ABOUT YOU? >>.

>> PLUMBING ISLAND NOTWITHSTANDING I JUST DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE REWRITING THIS FOR THE WHOLE COUNTY SIMPLY BECAUSE OF THE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES.

I'LL BE FIRST TO ADMIT I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE RAMIFICATIONS OF THIS IS GOING TO BE DOWN THE LINE.

AND I'M JUST NOT COMFORTABLE SAYING YES TO A MAJOR

REWRITE. >> I SUPPORT THE STAFF REPORT. I FEEL LIKE WE'VE BEEN UP AND DOWN AND AROUND ON THIS ISSUE AND I THINK IT'S TIME TO MOVE FORWARD WITH US. MR. GARRISON ANY THOUGHTS.

>> OH, YEAH. OH YEAH I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT. I APPRECIATE MR. DAVIS' CONCERN. I AS ANYBODY CONCERNED ABOUT AESTHETICS AND I THINK THAT THE MARKET AND JUST THE EVOLUTION OF THE PRODUCT IF WILL HAVE BROUGHT US TO THAT POINT. IF YOU DIDN'T KNOW THAT WAS A MINI STORAGE ASK IF YOU TOLD YOU IT WAS GOING TO BE A MEDICAL FACILITY. I DON'T SEE THAT IT LOOKS ANY DIFFERENT. SO I'M HAPPY, I HATE THE FACT THAT THERE'S A BIG BOX THE ONE OUT IN MIDDLEBERG IN THE BRANDONFIELD AREA THAT THING WAS HIDEOUS AT FIRST AND IT DOES HAVE THAT SIDE ENTRANCE WHERE PEOPLE COME IN ON THAT SIDE ROAD. THERE'S VIRTUALLY NO TRAFFIC TO THEM. I DON'T SEE WHERE IT'S OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO TELL PEOPLE WHAT KIND OF BUSINESS THEY CAN PUT UP WITHIN SOME REASON.

THESE IS NOT A MANUFACTURING BUILDING FACILITY IT'S NOT PUTTING OFF NOXIOUS FUMES. IN TERMS OF THE 60 FOOT HEIGHT IT'S NO TALLER THAN THE HIGH SCHOOL.

THE HOSPITAL IS OUT THERE, WHEN THEY PUT IT OUT THERE THE THING WILL FILL UP IN A MATTER OF WEEKS.

THE R.V. THING THE R.V. THING IS WAY FORCE THAN I HATE THESE THINGS AND THEY'RE POPPING UP ALL OVER THE PLACE. I DON'T SEE THAT'S ANY DIFFERENT. I WOULD SUPPORT STAFF RECOMMENDATION TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS.

>>. >> WELL, YOU KNOW, I CERTAINLY APPRECIATE BOTH PETE AND BO'S COMMENTS AS I STATED BEFORE WHEN IT COMES TO THE WE HAVE SEEN A LOT OF THINGS GO THROUGH IT'S COME BACK TO BITE IN DIFFERENT STAGES DIFFERENT THINGS HAVE COME BACK YOU KNOW TO BITE US THAT WAY. THAT'S MY BIGGEST CONCERN.

AS FAR AS YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS YOU KNOW THE PLANTATION I DO AGREE WITH PETE I HAVE A LOT OF FRIENDS THAT LIVE IN THERE. I HAVE FAMILY THAT LIVES IN THERE AND WHAT NOT AND YOU KNOW I KNOW THAT THERE'S A LOT OF OPPOSITION TO THAT. SO, YOU KNOW IF, I DON'T DISAGREE WITH THE STAFF REPORT ON HERE.

WHAT AM I GOING, WHERE AM I GOING WITH THIS.

AM I GOING SIDE HERE OR SIDE THERE.

YOU KNOW, BILL'S COMMENT CARRIES A LOT OF WEIGHT, TOO.

I LIKE THE WAY THE BUILDINGS LOOK MY CONCERN ARC TER -- ARCHITECTUREURELY MAKING SURE IF THIS IS GOING INTO A NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE THERE ARE HOMES AND OTHER BUSINESSES THAT IT CONFORMS TO A GOOD AESTHETIC PROFILE.

BUT OUTSIDE OF, THAT I DON'T REALLY SEE ANY MAJOR, MAJOR

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>> I DON'T THINK SO. GO AHEAD.

>> I'M HAPPY TO WAIT IF YOU WANT TO OPEN IT UP.

>> I GOT TO CHECK I DON'T THINK I EVER OPENED THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS MUCH WE GOT KIND OF CARRIED AWAY.

I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

DID EITHER OF YOU GENTLEMAN WANT TO SPEAK ON THIS IDEA? I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

I GOT TO PAROLEALLY MAKE SURE I GET THAT IN.

>> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN I APPRECIATE YOUR PROPERTY RULES OF ORDER. I WOULD JUST ECHO I'VE HAD CONSTITUENTS FROM PLEMENTING ISLAND WHO HAVE APPROACHED ME ABOUT THAT THEY HAVE VOICED THEIR CONCERNS AS WELL. SO, WHEN I SAY CONSTITUENTS I MEAN RESIDENTS. SO FROM THAT STANDPOINT I SHARE COMMISSIONER DAVIS AND COMMISSIONER NORTON'S CONCERNS ON THIS. I'VE HEARD FROM OTHERS ABOUT IT. THAT'S ALL I'LL SAY ABOUT IT. THANK YOU.

>> BEFORE I CALL FOR AMOTION.

I WILL SAY THAT THERE ARE TWO ISSUES IN THEY'RE THAT CONCERN I WANTED TO GET IN THE MINUTES AND ON THE RECORD MAYBE THEY'LL GET TAKEN UP.

I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE STORM WATER PONDS.

IF WE'RE NOT DOING THAT FOR ANYBODY ELSE WE SHOULDN'T BE DOING IT FOR THIS ONE, ONE BUSINESS TYPE.

SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE STORM WATER REMOVED AS PART OF THE OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENT.

AND I PROBABLY WOULD LIKE TO HEAR A COMMENT FROM YOU GUYS. THE 60 FOOT THING WORRIES ME. I JUST SEEMS THAT THAT'S TALLER, I THOUGHT ABOUT 45 OR 42 FEET WAS THE TALLEST THAT WE HAD ANYTHING ELSE IN THE COUNTY EXCEPT MAYBE THE HOSPITAL. I'M NOT SURE ABOUT THE HOSPITAL. I MEAN BECAUSE THE 60 FOOT BUILDING WITH REQUIRING THE ROOF LINES PROBABLY GIVES US A FIVE STORY BUILDING, RIGHT.

>> AND I'M PRETTY SURE THAT ELSEWHERE IN OUR CODE WE LIMIT TOKS ABOUT 45 FEET. THAT WE CAN BE CERTAIN THAT THAT APPLIES TO THE HOSPITAL.

>> I THINK FROM AN AESTHETIC POINT OF VIEW --

MR. CHAIRMAN? >> MR. DAVIS.

>> ONE OTHER THING ON THIS TOO WE'RE EXTENDING FROM WE'RE GOING FROM 40% TO 80% FOR MINI WAREHOUSES.

IS THAT GOING TO APPLY FOR ANYTHING ELSE THAT'S IN THE

B.B.. >> NO IT ONLY APPLIED TO THE LANGUAGE FOR THESE PARTICULAR USES.

>> WE'LL TAKE OUTSIDE STORM WATER.

ARE YOU OKAY WITH REMOVING STORM WATER CAN.

YOU EXPLAIN TO ME THE 60 FOOT HEIGHT OF THAT.

THAT'S A FIVE STORY BUILDING IT SEEMS TALL BUILDING IN THIS TOWN NOT IN JACKSONVILLE, BUT IN THIS COUNTY WE DON'T HAVE VERY MANY FIVE STORY BUILDINGS EXCEPT FOR THE HOSPITALS THAT I KNOW OF.

>> CORRECT, FOR A STORAGE BUILDING TO GET THE CLEARANCE WE NEED IT'S A FOUR STORY BUILDING

BASICALLY. >> IT'S A FOUR STORY BUILDING AT 60 FEET. OKAY.

>> IT STILL WORRIES ME THE HEIGHT A LITTLE BIT THAT'S A GOOD EXPLANATION. I GUESS YOU HAVE TO HAVE 10

OR 12 FOOT CEILINGS. >> JUST TO GET THE CLEARANCE HEIGHT AND SPRINKLERS AND SUCH.

YOU HAVE TO HAVE STORM WATER WE COULD ELIMINATE THAT IN

THE OPEN SPACE. >> THEN I GUESS WE'RE READY FOR A MOTION HERE. WHOEVER MAKES THE MOTION I THINK WE'RE DONE. WE HAVE TRIED TO BE VERY THOUGHTFUL ABOUT THIS. WE HAVE WORKED WITH YOUR PROFESSIONAL STAFF OVER A PERIOD OF MONTHS.

THIS WAS WHEN YOU SAW IT YOU DIDN'T SEE THE REST OF THE ICEBERG WE WORKED A LOT REQUEST STAFF ON THIS.

SO, WE RELY ON THEM AS WELL. AND WE APPRECIATE YOUR

CONSIDERATION. >> THANK YOU.

>> IF YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE A MOTION WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE CATCH THOSE TWO ITEMS WITH THE MAY CHANGED TO SHALL AND REMOVE STORM WATER PONDS AND PARKING ISLANDS FROM OPEN SPACE. I THINK THAT'S ALL THAT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT. THEY WERE --

>> THE ONLY OTHER THING WE TALKED ABOUT WAS THE STORM

WATER AND THE PARKING. >> ON THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT.

IN BETWEEN THE STORM WATER AND THE PARKING ISLANDS THEN

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YOU GOT THOSE MIKE? >> SO I THINK A MOTION ARE

YOU GOING TO MAKE A MOTION? >> I'M GOING TO LET SOMEBODY FROM THE COMMISSION MAKE THE MOTION.

>> I'LL MOVE THE STAFF REPORT WITH THOSE CHANGES.

>> WITH THOSE CHANGES. >> AND YOU KNOW IT'S THE THE TWO CHANGES FROM MAY TO SHALL AND REMOVE STORM WATER

POND AND PARKING ISLANDS. >> FROM THE CALCULUS OF THE

OPEN PACE. >> I DO GET A SECOND ON

THAT. >> SECOND.

>> DOES ANYONE WANT TO DISCUSS THIS FURTHER? IF NOT I'M CALLING IN QUESTION.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF MS. BRIDGESMAN'S MOTIONS STATED AYE. AYE.

ALL OPPOSED. >> AYE.

I CAN GET THE HAND FOR THE YESES.

1, 2, 3, OKAY. AND HANDS FOR THE NAYS.

1, 2, 3, 4 NAYS. SO IT'S THREE YES, FOUR NAYS SO YOUR MOTION FAILED. DO WE NEED TO DO AN ALTERNATE MOTION OR ARE WE GOOD WITH THAT?

DO WE NEED A SECOND MOTION. >> CAN WE ASK FOR A CONTINUANCE LET'S GO BACK AND WORK WITH STAFF SOME

MORE? >> WELL, I THINK AT THIS POINT WE'RE BEYOND THAT OR NOT?

>> THE MOTION FAILED SO NOW WE CAN DO A CONTINUANCE?

>> EXCELLENT. WOULD THE BOARD BE OKAY WITH THE CONTINUANCE FOR THEM TO WORK WITH STAFF A LITTLE MORE ON THIS. I NEED A MOTION IF WE'RE

OKAY WITH THAT. >> MOVE TO CONTINUEANCE.

CONTINUANCE TO APRIL, MARCH. MAY 3RD OR SOON THEREAFTER.

THE SECOND TO THE CONTINUANCE.

>> OKAY. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF A CONTINUANCE. STATE AYE.

>> AYE. ANY OPPOSED TO CONTINUEANCE? IT'S 6-1. TWO, DID YOU VOTE NO.

OKAY MR. NORTON AND MR. DAVIS VOTED NO ON THE CONTINUANCE SO THE CONTINUNCE IS APPROVED.

I GUESS WE'LL SEE YOU GUYS AGAIN NEXT MONTH.

>> WE THANK YOU THOUGH VERY MUCH FOR YOUR COMMENTS.

WE'RE GOING TO GO BACK AND SEE WHAT WE CAN DO WITH THIS. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. >> LET ME JUST SAY IS THE PRINCIPLE CONCERN THE ARTERIAL ROAD?

>> THAT'S MINE. >> IT'S MORE THAN THAT.

>> I WOULD SAY THAT'S PROBABLY MY PRINCIPLE CONCERN WOULD BE THE ARTERIAL ROADS.

>> YEAH. >> MINE AS WELL.

>> I JUST, JUST SO WHEN WE'RE GOING BACK TO WORK TRYING TO FIGURE OUT YOU KNOW HOW TO MAKE IT MORE -- PALATABLE IF IT'S THE ARTERIAL ROAD TURNING YOUR MIC ON. BO.

WHAT WOULD YOU WANT TO SEE WILL TO MINIMIZE THE IMPACT.

I'M PUTTING MYSELF IN THE POSSESSION OF THE HOMEOWN.

YOU DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER NOW BUT I'M ASKING.

>> I'LL I THINK OF THAT AS A RHETORICAL QUESTION.

OKAY. THANK YOU.

>> AND, AND YOU KNOW JUST TO REITERATE AND I'M SORRY BUT YOU KNOW IT'S REALLY NOT AS MUCH YOU ABOUT GUYS AS IT IS ABOUT EVERYBODY ELSE THAT'S GOING TO COME AFTER.

AND THAT'S REALLY WHAT MY BIGGEST CONCERN IS.

AND THE ROADWAY IS LIKE ONE OF THE PARAMOUNT THINGS FOR ME RIGHT NOW. BECAUSE I KNOW THAT YOU GUYS YOU KNOW KNOWING YOU MARK AND EVERYTHING WOULD BE RESPECTFUL TO A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS BUT WE CAN'T SAY THAT YOU'RE SPEAKING FOR EVERYBODY THAT WILL COME BEHIND YOU. SO, JUST KEEP THAT IN MIND IN YOUR REDEVELOPMENT THOUGHTS.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU AGAIN GUYS.

COURTNEY WILL YOU SCHEDULE THAT FOR THE BOARD COMING UP IF WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE REMEMBER.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> I WANTED TO MAKE SURE

THAT YOU GUYS -- >> DON'T EVERYBODY PACK UP YET. DO I -- NUMBER FIVE.

[5.  Public Hearing to consider LDC 2021-15. (M. Brown)]

BROWN THE APPLICANT HAS WITHDRAWN THE APPLICATION.

>> AN APPLICATION HAS BEEN WITHDRAWN.

>> IF THAT WAS MINE WE WITHDREW.

>> WAS THAT THE ONE FOR THE RECREATION.

>> IT WAS THE REGIONAL EVENT VENUE.

DO YOU EXPECT TO BRING THAT BACK AT ANY POINT?

>> POSSIBLY. POSSIBLY.

BUT WE HAVE SOME MORE WORK TO DO WITH THAT.

OKAY. WE SEEM TO HIT CONTROVERSIAL PROJECTS. OKAY.

>> THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE ANY OLD BUSINESS, NEW BUSINESS. ANYTHING? NEW BUSINESS. ANYTHING.

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IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO GO OUT TO THE FAIR IT IS THERE.

KEEP UKRAINE IN YOUR PRAYERS AND THOUGHTS.

AND I DO HAVE TO DO ONE MORE PUBLIC COMMENT.

I DON'T SEE ANYBODY WE'LL CLOSE THAT.

AND I BELIEVE WE'RE WE'LL BE WELL, -- I GUESS WE'RE 7:00 NEXT MONTH. WHAT'S THE AGENDA LOOK LIKE DO YOU KNOW? MIKE, IS IT HEAVY?

>> I DON'T THINK IT WILL BE HEAVY BECAUSE YOU GOT THIS ONE AND I THINK TWO REZONINGS.

>> ALL RIGHT, VERY GOOD. I WILL ADJOURN THE MEETING.

>> GO AHEAD. YOU ASK THE QUESTION ABOUT THE HEIGHT OF THE BUILDING. AND THE VERBAGE THAT'S IN THIS DOCUMENT THAT THEY PRESENTED TO US IS ALMOST DUPLICATE TO THE SAME VERBAGE THAT'S IN THE PLANNING DOCUMENTS FOR ST. JOHN'S COUNTY.

SO THAT'S PROBABLY WHERE IT CAME FROM.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.