Mar 24, 2022 Board of Adjustment

[CALL TO ORDER]

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>> OKAY. I WILL CALL TO ORDER THE CLAY COUNTY BODE OF ADJUSTMENT MEETING FOR MARCH 24TH, 2022.

[APPROVAL OF MINUTES]

DO I HAVE QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS REGARDING THE MINUTES OF LAST

MEETING? >> MOVE APPROVAL.

>> SECOND. >> I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR APPROVAL OF THOSE MINUTES. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

>> AYE. >> AYE.

>> OPPOSED -- PASSED 4-0. THE NEXT ITEM IS A PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD WHERE ANYBODY CAN SPEAK OF ANYTHING ON THE AGENDA OR NOT ON THE AGENDA THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO COMMENT ON.

I WILL OPEN UP TO THE FLOOR FOR ANYONE WHO WANTS TO SPEAK ON ANY OF THE ITEMS. SEEING NOBODY I WILL CLOSE IT.

[1.  Public Hearing to Consider Application BOA 21-34 Variance to Article III Sec.3-13(f) of the Land Development Code. (CONTINUED FROM Feb. 24, 2022)]

OUR LAST MEETING. >> 34.

>> 34. >> WHAT DID I SAY?

>> 24. >> CLOSE.

DO I OWE YOU A DOLLAR. OKAY.

34. AND WITH THAT I'LL LET STAFF DO

THEIR THING. >> CHAIRMAN, AND BOARD THIS IS A B.O.A. 21-34 IS A CONTINUATION FROM LAST MONTH.

THE APPLICANT IS MR. MARK DOUGHERTY.

THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 3318 BYRON ROAD.

IT'S IN THE AGRICULTURE ZONING DISTRICT.

AND ORIGIN REQUEST WAS FOR A REDUCTION IN THE SITE SET BACK FROM 20 FEET TO 5'. AERIAL IF YOU RECALL THE DISCUSSION. AND RATHER THAN GO THROUGH ANY OF THAT, YOU WOULD ASK THE APPLICANT TO COME BACK WITH A SURVEY AND A LOOK AT WHAT HE TRULY NEEDED RATHER THAN DESIRED. AND WITH THAT I'LL -- CAN RESPOND TO ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE AT YOUR PLACE.

AND INFORMATION THAT THE APPLICANT PROVIDED BASED ON YOUR

REQUEST FROM LAST MONTH. >> OKAY.

>> DO YOU ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF BEFORE I GET MR. DOEERTY

UP HERE. >> DOUGHERTY.

>> DO YOU STATE EVERYTHING YOU'RE ABOUT TO TELL IS THE

TRUTH SO HELP YOU GOD. >> I DO.

>> THANK YOU FOR ARE BRINGING THIS STUFF.

TELL US ABOUT YOUR SITUATION. >> WE TALKED LAST MONTH AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE MY PACKET JUST A REFRESHER AS BEFORE.

I PURCHASED THIS PROPERTY I DID MY DUE DILIGENCE AND HAD ACCORDANCE FROM THE COUNTY THE SET BACKS WERE 5'.

THE LOT IS VERY DEEP BUT NARROW. SO WE PURCHASED PROPERTY AND NOW WE'RE TRYING TO MOVE FORWARD AND TRYING NOT TO BUILD A BOWLING ALLY. A MODEST 3-2 HOME.

IF MORE RECENT CORRESPONDENCES FOR WHATEVER REASON WERE CHANGED TO 20 FOOT PER SIDE. THAT'S VERY LIMITING.

YOU ASKED THAT I BRING THE SURVEY WITH THE HOME ON IT.

I'VE DONE THAT. I LIVE ON THE ROAD.

I EXPERIENCED IRMA, I KNOW WHAT DEVASTATION IT WAS.

I'M TRYING TO STAY ABOVE THE ESTABLISHED NEW WATER LINE.

I DON'T THINK WE'LL SEE THAT AGAIN.

WHO KNOWS. IT'S AT THE X FLOOD PLAIN, FLOOD ZONE. AND I DON'T THINK I NEED 5'.

YOU'VE ASKED ME TO DO THIS SO WE'VE DONE IT.

ALL MY NEIGHBORS ARE 5' OFF THE LINE.

MIKE, I APOLOGIZE JUST SHOWED. I HAVE A COLOR COPY.

YOU CAN SEE ON THE LEFT IS JOHN. HE'S 7.3 FEET OFF.

ON THE RIGHT IS A DOUBLE LOT. WE'RE TRYING TO FAVOR THAT SIDE OF THE PROPERTY. SO WE CAN ABSORB SOME OF THE FEEL OF NOT BEING ON TOP OF EACH OTHER.

IF YOU LOOKED AT THE -- IF I GAVE YOU THE EXPANDED VIEW OF

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WE CREPT INTO THAT BY 10 FEET JUST TO SHOW YOU THE CLOSER WE GET TO THE CREEK ACCIDENT THE PROPERTY IS PIE SHAPED NOT SO MUCH. AND WE'LL DO WHATEVER WE NEED TO DO. BUILD ON STILTS IF WE HAVE TO.

WE LOVE THE AREA. WE WANT TO STAY IN THE COUNTY.

AND GIVE YOU OUR HUGE PROPERTY TAX DOLLARS.

>> LET ME ASK YOU A QUESTION. YOU'RE SHOWING 4 SCENARIOS, ONE OF WHICH GOES INTO THE FLOOD ZONE 10 FEET AND THE OTHER EXTREME IS OUT BY ALMOST 12 FEET.

AND THE SIDE SET BACKS DON'T CHANGE THAT MUCH.

IT IS PIE SHAPED BUT NOT BY A WHOLE LOT.

DO YOU HAVE A PREFERENCE TO BE AT THE FLOOD ZONE, 10 FEET FROM THE FLOOD ZONE, 1 FOOT AWAY FROM THE FLOOD ZONE?

>> THE TREES I DON'T THINK ARE AN ISSUE.

WHEN YOU GET OLDER YOU REALIZE YOU CAN PLANT NEW TREES AND KEEP THEM OFF THE TOP OF THE HOUSE. SOME OF THE LATER SCENARIOS WE DID SHIFT TOWARD THE DOUBLE LOT SIDE.

DR. VERBO IS 7.3 OFF OF THE LINE HERE.

TRYING TO WORK WITH THAT. WHEN YOU GET TO 1 FOOT OFF NOW WE'RE AT 6' BEFORE WE WERE --6.4 I SAW IT.

>> 6, 6'4", AND 6. >> TRYING TO FIND A HAPPY COMPROMISE. WE JUST FOR PATTY AND I IT'S NOT AS IMPERATIVE BECAUSE THIS IS -- I'VE BEEN AT 3152 BYRON FOR 16 YEARS. THIS IS OUR FOREVER HOME.

WE'LL PASS IT ON EVENTUALLY. STAYING OUT OF THE A.E. FLOOD ZONE WOULD BE ATTRACTIVE FOR SOME PEOPLE IN LIFE.

I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH OF A SELLING FEATURE THAT IS.

I DON'T KNOW THAT WE CARE. BASED ON THE NEIGHBORHOODS, BASED ON THE CONVERSATIONS WITH THE NEIGHBORS I KNOW WHERE THE WATER LINE IT'S RIGHT ALMOST AT THAT A.E.X. LINE.

WE'D LIKE TO AVOID THAT. THE PROPERTY HAS A GRADE TO IT.

WILL IT BECOME AN ISSUE PROBABLY NOT.

YES, WOULD WE LIKE TO BE OUT OF THE A.E. ZONE, YES, SIR.

WE WANT TO WORK WITH YOU GUYS. >> IT WOULD BE A MORE EXPENSIVE

ISSUE TO BUILD IN THAT ZONE. >> YES, SIR, IT WOULD.

>> I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU ON THAT.

LOOKING AHEAD IS THE GARAGE AN ISSUE IN OR IS THAT WE'RE GOING

TO FIT IT THERE SOMEWHERE. >> ONCE YOU GIVE US OUR SET BACKS THEY ARE WHAT THEY ARE. OUR DREAM INITIALLY WAS TO HAVE A DIAGONAL APPROACH. A PORTICO WE COULD PULL INTO.

AND THE GARAGE WOULD BE STORAGE AND BEYOND.

WITH THIS LOT THAT'S NOT FEASIBLE.

WE'RE BRINGING THE LOT IN IN FRONT OF THE HOUSE.

STILL GOING TO TRY TO POSSIBLY --

>> I DON'T THINK IT'S YOU..

>> SO WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO DO A GARAGE AND PORTICO TO CONNECT THINGS. THE GARAGE AND INLAW SUITE WILL BE FOR THE GRANDCHILDREN. HOUSE HERE AND GARAGE HERE. THE NICE EASY PULL INTO THING IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.

SO THE - ONCE WE ESTABLISH OUR SET BACKS.

I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THAT. WHEN YOU READ REFER TO BY LAWS OR MY AREA IT DOES MENTION BOAT COVERS AND GARAGES THEY'RE OKAY TO BE WITHIN 5'. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAD MY ORIGINAL PACKET. IT WAS PART OF IT --

>> IF THAT'S THE COVINANCE BUT NOT THE ZONING.

>> IT WAS WRITTEN IN OLD ENGLISH FROM THE 50S.

I DON'T KNOW -- >> I WOULD BET THAT THAT DOESN'T TAKE PRECEDENCE. IT'S GOING TO BE THE ZONING.

>> WHATEVER YOU DETERMINE TONIGHT.

>> ZONING REQUIRE THE SAME 20 FOOT SET BACK FOR ACCESSORY

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>> I'M FINE WITH THAT. I WANT TO REMIND MIKE, AM I

CORRECT? >> UH-HUH.

>> I HAVE A CORRESPONDENCE FROM THE COUNTY FROM LAST FALL BEFORE I WROTE THE CHECK. 5' FRONT AND YEAR, 20S AND 35S THEY'RE NOT AN ISSUE. THAT'S PAT OF THE REASON WE

MOVED FORWARD. >> WE UNDERSTAND THAT.

>> SIR, YOU MENTIONED SEVERAL OTHER PEOPLE ARE AT APPROXIMATELY A 5' SET BACK WHEN WERE THEIR HOMES BUILT?

>> MYSELF PERSONALLY I BUILT AND CLOSED ON THE HOME GOT THE C.O.

IN 06. IT WAS 5' BACK THEN.

THE ENTIRE ROAD IF YOU LOOK UP AND DOWN THE ROAD.

I DON'T BELIEVE YOU WERE HERE LAST TIME.

>> SURE I WAS. >> I GOT CHEMO BRAIN.

I PROVIDED NUMEROUS ADDRESSES. IF I HAD AN AERIAL TONIGHT THE PROPERTY APPRAISERS AERIAL THEY DO, YOU WOULD SEE MOST OF THEM ARE 5'. MOST OF THEM ARE OLDER CONSTRUCTION. IT'S -- THEY USED TO BE LAKE HOUSES AND BIGGER HOMES ARE COMING IN.

MOST EVERYTHING IS TIGHT TO THE PROPERTY LINE.

WE DON'T WANT THAT. I WOULD RATHER DRIVE A TRACTOR AROUND THE BACKYARD. IF I NEED TO WORK ON THE BOAT.

I DON'T WANT TO BE ON TOP OF THE NEIGHBOR.

I DIDN'T DO THAT IN 06. IF YOU DROVE UP IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD YOU'D SEE THAT WAS THE NORM BACK THEN.

WHATEVER THAT MEANS. >> DO WE KNOW WHEN THE ZONING

BECAME 20 FEET BACK THERE? >> UM.

>> WAS THERE A CHANGE. >> I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THAT.

YOU ASK BODY THE SET BACKS FOR ACCESSORY STRUCTURES.

ACCESSLY STRUCTURES ARE SET BACK 7. 5' NOT 20.

WANTED TO MAKE THAT CORRECTION. >> THAT AREA WAS ZONED IN THE

70S I WOULD SAY. >> THIS WAS ZONED -- WELL, THE -- YEAH, THE WHOLE COUNTY WAS ZONED IN THE 70S.

THE PLAT, THIS WAS ORIGINALLY PLATED IN 1953.

>> OKAY. >> THAT AREA.

>> SO. IT WAS TO ANSWER MR. CLAIRE'S QUESTION IN ORDINANCE 82-45 ADOPTED IN 1982 REQUIRED SIDE YARD SET BACK OF 15 FEET IN THE A.R. ZONING DISTRICT.

>> OKAY. >> AND THEN IN 93 IT WAS CHANGED

TO 20. >> BUT THAT'S --

>> AND EVEN SO WHEN THE APPLICANT BUILT HIS PRESENT

HOUSE. >> IT WAS AFTER 93.

>> WAS AFTER THAT. FOR WHATEVER REASON YOU DIDN'T GET A VARIANCE I ASSUME AND THEY LET YOU BUILD IT.

>> COUNTY PERMITTED IT. >> IT LOOKS IN SOME OF THE STUFF IT SAYS THAT 5' APPLIES TO LAKE FRONTS.

>> THAT'S ALL PROPERTIES IN THE A.R. ZONING DISTRICT.

>> NO SPECIFICATION FOR ARE LAKE FRONTS.

>> NOT FOR THE SIDE. ONLY FOR WATER.

WE HAVE AN INCREASED SET BACK FOR WATER SET BACKS.

>> MARK, ANY IDEA OTHER THAN YOUR HOUSE ANY OTHER HOUSES BEEN BUILT THERE SINCE YOU'VE BEEN THERE.

DO YOU KNOW? >> ADDITIONS HAVE BEEN DONE 4 LOTS DOWN THERE WAS A GARAGE FREE STANDING THAT'S AGAINST THE LINE AND I -- I DIDN'T DO THE MEASUREMENTS. I WANT TO APOLOGIZE IT'S TIGHT. APART FROM MY INITIAL PACKAGE I DON'T THINK YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU, YOU GENTLEMEN, DOWN THE CREEK HALF A MILE. THERE'S A CHANGE DOWNSTAIRS WITH A LOT OF POSITIONS. BUT IT WAS THE COMMENT WAS OKAY YOU'RE NON

CONFORMING LOT UNDER 100 FEET. >> LEGALLY NON CONFORMING.

>> THE COPY I SUBMITTED LAST TIME.

HEY YOU'RE NON FORMING YOU AUTOMATICALLY GOT 5' GRANTED.

PROBABLY YOU ARE MORE FAMILIAR THAN I AM.

I INCLUDED THAT CORRESPONDENCE WITH MY ACQUAINTANCE.

WE JUST WANT TO STAY IN THE AREA.

WE WANT TO BUILD ON THIS LOT. WE WANT TO WORK WITH YOU.

ANYTHING HELPS. TRYING TO STAY OUT OF THE FLOOD ZONE. ANYTHING YOU DO HELPS US

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TREMENDOUSLY. >> THE ONLY ISSUE.

PLAYING CATCH UP HERE IS THE SIDES.

HE DOESN'T HAVE ISSUES WITH THE FLOODING.

>> NOT IN THE LEAST. >> THE FRONT AND BACK JUST THE SIDES. THE LOT IS 75 FEET ALONG THE ROAD.

STRAIGHT LINE IS 65 FEET WIDE. IF HE WAS TO COMPLY WITH THE 20 AND 20 HE'S HAVE A 25 FOOT WIDE BOWLING ALLY.

SO WHEN THE GENTLEMAN CAME TO US LAST MONTH HE DIDN'T HAVE A HOUSE PLAN. AS HE SAID HE HAS WRITTEN CORRESPONDENCE FROM THE COUNTY WHO SAID IT WAS 5 AND 5 WHEN HE BOUGHT THE PROPERTY. LOW AND BEHOLD.

GUYS, WHAT DO WE DO. WE ASKED HIM SHOW US WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO BUILD NOT THAT WE ARE APPROVING THAT.

JUST YOU KNOW DO YOU REALLY NEED THE 5 OR WOULD 7 WORK.

HE'S GOT A COUPLE OF SCENARIOS OF 5, 6, 7.

>> THIS INDIVIDUAL NATHAN BILICK HE'S ONE OF THE NEIGHBORS ON

THAT STREET. >> HE WAS A RECENT BUILDING.

>> I HAVE THAT PULLED UP HERE. >> AND HE RECEIVED A LETTER FROM THE COUNTY SAYING, HEY, YOU'RE NON CONFORMING IF THAT'S THE RIGHT TERM. AND I THINK AT THIS TIME I KNOW THERE'S FOLKS DOWNSTAIRS THAT HAVE -- SOME CHANGE OF REGIME.

IT WAS NON CONFORMING YOU AUTOMATICALLY GET 5'.

HE DID. I DON'T KNOW IF HE ENCROACHED ON THAT. HE DID.

I KNOW HIM. THAT WAS HIS EXPERIENCE.

>> OKAY. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT OR STAFF? BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO ASK MARCUS TO SEE IF THERE'S ANYONE ELSE TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST

THIS APPLICATION. >> THANK YOU IF ARE YOUR TIME.

>> ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WANTS TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST 21-34. SEEING NONE, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND BRING IT BACK TO THE BOARD FOR MOTIONS,

RECOMMENDATIONS, WHATEVER. >> LOOKING AT HIS ALTERNATES, THE ONE THING I SEE IN COMMON IS A MINIMUM OF 6' NO MATTER WHAT SCENARIO. THAT'S WHETHER YOU LOOK AT A, B, C OR D. GOT ABOUT A 6' LEFT SIDE, RIGHT SIDE, WHATEVER. LISTENING -- UNLESS ANYBODY HAS REAL QUESTIONS I'M WILLING TO MAKE A MOTION.

I WILL MAKE A MOTION THAT IT BE APPROVED FOR A 6' SET BACK BOTH

SIDES FOR ANY STRUCTURE. >> GARAGE OR HOUSE.

>> HOUSE OR A GARAGE. >> I'LL SECOND THAT.

>> OKAY. SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR APPROVAL OF THE APPLICATION FOR A 6' MINIMUM SET BACK NOT 5.

YOU'RE OKAY WITH THAT? OKAY.

>> HAS TO INCLUDE ACCESSORY STRUCTURES.

>> HE SAID ANY STRUCTURE. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

>> AYE. >> AYE.

>> ALL OPPOSED? PASS SAID 4-0.

[2.  Public Hearing to Consider Application BOA 21-30. Variance to Article III Sec. 3-5(am)(2) Land Development Code]

21-30. WITH THAT I WILL TURN IT OVER TO

STAFF. >> MR. CHAIRMAN AND COMMITTEE B.O.A. 21-30 IS AN APPLICATION BY VAULT INVESTORS 2.

AGENT FOR THE PROJECT IS RICK WELCH ALONG WITH FRANK MILLER.

LOCATION IS 2530 COUNTY ROAD 220.

ZONINGING IS B.B. 2. FUTURE LAND USE IS COMMERCIAL.

THERE'S A 3 PART REQUEST TO THIS VARIANCE.

ONE IS TO ALLOW DIRECT ACCESS TO A NON-ARTERIAL ROAD FOR A MINI WAREHOUSE. THE SECOND PART IS TO REDUCE THE REQUIRED VEGETATATIVE BUFFER ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE PARCEL FROM 30 FEET TO 25 FEET. TO ALLOW BLACK COATED CHAIN LINK FENCE TO SECURE THE SITE BEYOND 100 FEET FROM COUNTY ROAD 220

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AS I INDICATED, THE PARCEL IS LOCATED IN BB 2 ZONINGING DISTRICT. SITUATED BETWEEN B.B. 3 ZONING DISTRICT TO THE EAST. AND SHOPPING DISTRICT TO THE WEST. AS YOU RECALL ONE OF THE REQUESTED VARIANCES IS TO ALLOW FOR THE REDUCTION OF THE VEGETATIVE BUFFER ON THE EAST SIDE WHICH IT WOULD BE FRONTING THE B.B. 3 ZONING DISTRICT. COUNTY ROAD 220 IS A NON-ARTERIAL ROADWAY. AND THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE REQUIRES AS A CONDITIONAL USE MINIWAREHOUSE IN B.B. 2 ZONING DISTRICT TO ACCESS DIRECTLY ON TO AN ARTERIAL ROADWAY.

B.B. 2 SIDE SET BACKS ARE 15 FEET.

HOWEVER THE CRITERIA IF A MINIWAREHOUSE STATES THAT THE PERIMETER BUFFER SHALL TAKE PRECEDENCE OVER ANY BUILDING SET BACKS REQUIREMENTS. THE PERIMETER BUFFERS SET FORTH FOR A WAREHOUSE IN 3-5 OF THE CODE IS FOR A 30 FOOT REGITATIVE BUFFER. AS PART OF THE APPLICANTS REQUEST THEY DID MAKE THE COMMITMENT THAT THEY WOULD MEET ALL THE OTHER REQUIREMENTS FOR THE TYPE V BUFFER WITHIN THAT 20 FOOT REQUESTED VARIANCE FOR THIS VEGETATIVE BUFFER.

SECTION 35 A.M.X.I.I. ALLOWS FOR A ROT FENCE OR A FENCE RESEMBLING WROUGHT IRON TO SECURE THE SITE.

THIS IS FOR ALL MINI WAREHOUSE FACILITIES.

THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTED A VARIOUS TO USE BLACK COATED CHAIN LINK FENCE. STAFF FINDS THAT THE REQUESTED VARIANCE IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND RECOMMENDS DENIAL OF THE VARIANCE REQUEST.

STAFF WILL GO OVER EACH OF THE CRITERIA THAT YOU JUDGE A VARIANCE AGAINST OR FOR. FIRST CRITERIA THERE ARE NO SPECIAL CONDITIONS OR CIRCUMSTANCES WHICH ARE PECULIAR TO THE LAND WHICH ARE NOT APPLICABLE TO OTHER LANDS WITH THE B.B. 2 ZONING DISTRICT. THE NEXT CRITERIA IS THAT ANY SPECIAL CONDITIONS OR CIRCUMSTANCES DO NOT RESULT IN ACTIONS BY THE APPLICANT. THE CURRENT PARCEL IS VACANT AND LOCATED ON 220. THE CHOICE TO UTILIZE THE SITE AS A LOCATION FOR A MULTI-STORY MINI WAREHOUSE IS A DECISION OR ACTION BY THE APPLICATION. THE NEXT VARIANCE THE GRANTING VARIANCE REQUEST WILL NOT CONFER ON THE APPLICANT ANY SPECIAL PRIVILEGE DENIED BY THIS ORDINANCE TO OTHER LANDS BUILDINGS OR STRUCTURES IN THE SAME ZONING DISTRICT.

THE GRANTING WOULD ALLOW THE DEVELOPMENT OF A MULTI-STORY MINI WAREHOUSE THAT WILL NOT HAVE DIRECT ACCESS ON AN ARTERIAL ROAD. AS PART OF THIS I WANT TO POINT OUT TO THE BOARD AS ANY VARIANCES YOU HAVE TO DEAL WITH INDIVIDUALLY IN 2019, B.O.A. 2019 THE BOARD APPROVED A VARIANCE FOR A MINIY WAREHOUSE TO ACCESS A LOCAL STREET RATHER THAN AN ARTERIAL AS REQUIRED BY THE CODE. THAT WAS B.O.A. 2019.

I WANT TO MAKE YOU AWARE OF THAT.

IN 2018 THERE WAS A P.U.D. WHICH WAS A QUARTER MILE FROM THIS SITE THAT WAS APPROVED BY THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS AND AS PART OF THAT APPROVAL THE P.U.D. ALLOWED FOR MINI WAREHOUSE USE WITHIN THAT P.U.D. AND EXEMPTED THAT TO THE REQUIRED ACCESS TO AN ARTERIAL. THOSE ARE ITEMS I WANTED TO MAKE YOU AWAY OF. THE NEXT CRITERIA, THE LITERAL

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IN THE PREVIOUS 2 CASES I MENTIONED APPLICANTS HAVE BEEN ABLE TO OBTAIN APPROVALS TO DEVELOP A MINI WAREHOUSE IN A LOCATION SUCH AS THIS. THE NEXT VARIOUS THE PARCEL CAN BE UTILIZED FOR OTHER USES. SO A NOT APPROVING THE VARIANCE WOULD NOT PERMIT DEVELOPMENT ON THIS PARCEL UNDER THE B.B. 2 ZONING. THE LAST CRITERIA THE GRANTINGING OF THE VARIANCE WILL BE IN GENERAL WITH THE INTENT AND PURPOSES OF THE ORDINANCE. THE USE OF THE BLACK COATED CHAIN LINK FENCE TO SECURE THE SITE IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE HEDGE OR NATURAL VEGETATION MEETS THE INTENT AND PURPOSE OF THE ORDINANCE. THE REDUCTION OF THE VEGETATIVE BUFFER FROM 30 TO 20 FEET ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY WILL LIKELY NOT BE INJURIOUS TO THE AREA INVOLVED OR DETRIMENTAL.

THAT PARCEL HAS AN EXISTING COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT ON IT.

AND THE GRANTINGING OF THE REQUESTING VARIOUS TO ACCESSING A NON-ARTERIAL ROAD WILL NOT BE IN HARMONY WITH THE INTENT AND PURPOSES OF THE CODE BUT SHOULD NOT BE DETRIMENTAL TO THE PUBLIC WELFARE. DO YOU HAVE QUESTIONS OF STAFF

AT THIS POINT?P>> MIKE, I'VE GO. HOW ABOUT THE FENCE AND THE VINYL COATED FENCE. I KNOW THAT AG PRO IS FENCED IN.

I SEE IT EVERY DAY. I COULDN'T TELL YOU WHAT KIND OF FENCE THEY HAVE. IS IT COATED OR CHAIN LINKED.

>> I DON'T KNOW WHAT AGPRO HAS. OUR CODE REQUIRES EACH FACILITY TO BE SECURED BY A FENCE. IT COULD BE A 6' WALL OR A WROUGHT IRON FENCE OR SOMETHING THAT LOOKS LIKE WROUGHT IRON.

>> FOR MINIWAREHOUSE. >> AND THAT'S -- YES.

THAT'S SPECIFIC FOR MINI WAREHOUSE.

>> I THINK IT'S CHAIN LINKED. I'M NOT POSITIVE.

>> THEY HAVE IT FOR SECURITY FOR ALL THEIR EQUIPMENT.

>> IT'S NOT A STORAGE PLACE. >> IT'S NOT A STORAGE PLACE.

THAT'S THE REASON I WAS ASKING. THE ONE WE WERE TALKING WAS

SPECIFIC FOR STORAGE. >> THE OTHER ONE FOR STORAGE IS THAT ONE THAT NEVER GOT BUILT BEHIND THE PARK AND THE FIRE

STATION BACK THERE. >> YEAH, I BELIEVE IT'S UNDER CONSTRUCTION RIGHT NOW. BUT I CAN'T SWEAR.

>> OKAY. >> YEAH, IT WAS PART OF THE ONE OF THE ALLOWABLE USES IN THE LARGER P.U.D..

>> AND THE ONE IS THE ONE ON BLANDING.

>> NO IT'S ON 220 BEHIND THE PARK AND RIDE.

THAT PARKING LOT THAT NOBODY USES.

>> IVE THOUGHT THAT WAS BOAT AND R.V..

THE SIGN SAYS. >> OKAY.

MIGHT BE. >> THERE'S A SIGN THAT SAYS -- LOOK AT ONE OF THE AERIALS. IT SAYS FLEMMING ISLAND BOAT AND R.V.. I NEVER HAD DRIVEN BACK THERE.

I DIDN'T KNOW IT WAS GOING TO BE A MINI STORAGE FACILITY.

>> IT MIGHT BE. >> I THOUGHT WE DID ONE LIKE A YEAR AGO IN FRONTS LANDING BUT YOU HAD TO ACCESS

>> YEAH. >> I'VE GOT A QUESTION FOR YOU.

LOOKING AT THE AERIAL. I KNOW WHAT'S ON THE -- YEAH, THE JOHN DEERE AND THEN THE OLD --

>> THE OLD SONIC WAS GOING TO BE --

>> WHAT ABOUT BEHIND IT. WHAT'S IT ZONED BEHIND IT?

>> ZONED FOR ARE RESIDENTIAL. >> BUT THERE IS A CONSERVATION.

>> THERE IS A CONCERNATION BACK THERE ALSO.

IT'S ZONED RESIDENTIAL. THEREOF IS A CONSERVATION AREA.

>> SO ON EITHER. I DON'T KNOW HOW FAR BACK THE JOHN DEERE PLACE GOES. IS THERE ANY PROPERTY AROUND THE BACK WHERE WE WOULD WE REDUCING THE FENCING TO THE CHAIN LINK,

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>> THAT AREA IS SO WET. I DESIGNED AND BUILT BEHIND THE WALMART THERE THERE'S A BOAT AND R.V. STORE BACK THERE THAT COMES OFF OF COLLEGE DRIVE. IT WAS GETTING REALLY REALLY MUCKY TOWARDS THE EAST END OF THAT.

THAT AREA IS PRETTY WET BACK IN THERE.

IT REALLY REALLY IS. I WOULD BE VERY.

>> MITIGATION WOULD BE STAGGERING.

>> MITIGATION WOULD BE STAGGERING.

THE MITIGATION WOULD NOT BE FINANCIALLY VIABLE FOR RESIDENTIAL OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

>> OKAY. THANK YOU.

>> OKAY. >> ANYBODY ELSE GOT ANY MORE QUESTIONS OF STAFF BEFORE I ASK THE APPLICANT TO COME FORWARD? OKAY. WITH THAT I WILL -- I SEE -- WE HAVE 5 PEOPLE IN THE AUDIENCE AND 2 POLICEMEN, YOU ARE ALMOST COVERED. PLEASE COME FORWARD AND SOMEONE INTRODUCE THEMSELVES. I NEED AN ADDRESS AND ALL THAT

STUFF. >> GOOD AFTERNOON MY NAME IS FRANK MILLER. MY ADDRESS IS 1 INDEPENDENT DRIVE SUITE 2300 IN JACKSONVILLE.

I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT IS THE CURRENT OWNER OF THE PROPERTY. THE PURSUER OF THE APPLICATION IS A PARTY THAT HAS THE PROPERTY UNDER CONTRACT FOR DEVELOPMENT AS INDICATED. AND SO WE'RE HERE TO REQUEST THAT YOU GRANT A VARIANCE TO ALLOW THIS PROJECT.

>> FRANK, YOU'RE AN ATTORNEY. I HAVE TO SWEAR YOU IN.

DO YOU SWEAR THAT EVERYTHING YOU'RE ABOUT TO STATE IS THE

TRUTH SO HELP YOU GOD. >> I SWEAR THAT EVERY FACT THAT

I STATE IS TRUE. >> I'VE KNOWN FRANK FOR 40 YEARS

GO AHEAD. >> WE'LL TRY TO RUN THROUGH THE SLIDES HERE. FIRST OF ALL I WANT TO MAKE CLEAR THIS IS A MIXED USE PROJECT. THE IDEA IS TO HAVE THE MINI STORAGE OR THE SELF STORAGE FACILITY ON IT.

ALSO TO HAVE A COUPLE OF OUT PARCELS FOR OTHER COMMERCIAL USES, WHETHER IT'S RETAIL OR SOMETHING LIKE A RETAIL THAT WOULD BE ALLOWED UNDER B.B. WOULD BE AN OPTION ON THE PROPERTY. THERE YOU GO.

OKAY. THIS IS AN AERIAL OF THE PROPERTY LOOKING FROM THE SOUTH TO THE NORTH.

AND YOU CAN SEE THE TOTAL ACREAGE IS 5.5 ACRES.

TO THE EAST IS THE AGRO PRO TRACTOR FACILITY.

TO THE WEST IS NOW GOING TO BE THE FUTURE HOME OF WAFFLE HOUSE AND THEN THE WALMART MARKETPLACE AND OTHER SHOPS AND STORES WESTERLY TO COLLEGE DRIVE. ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE PROPERTY IS A -- THAT'S AN AREA THAT IS UNDER A CONSERVATION EASEMENT IN FAVOR OF ST. JOHNS RIVER WATER MANAGE HOSPITAL DISTRICT. SUCH THAT IT WILL NEVER BE DEVELOPED FOR ANYTHING. AS YOU CAN SEE BY THIS AERIAL IT'S A PRETTY LARGE CONSERVATION AREA AND SIGNIFICANT DEPTH TO IT BEYOND OR BEHIND THE PROPERTY ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE PROPERTY ON THE OTHER SIDE OF 220 IS OF COURSE THE PARK AND RIDE AND THEN THE FUTURE HOME FOR ST. VINCENTS.

AND THERE ARE NO RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS IN THE IMMEDIATE AREA. THERE ARE OBVIOUSLY HOMES AND RESIDENTS EASTERLY ON 220 AND WESTERLY AND NORTHERLY UP THROUGH COLLEGE DRIVE AND AROUND IN THAT AREA.

ACTUALLY THIS PARCEL AND THIS AREA, THE INTERSECTION OF COLLEGE DRIVE AND 220 IS A COMMERCIAL NODE.

YOU'VE GOT 2 ROADS MEETING, THEY ARE LARGE, HAVE CAPACITY.

AND THIS IS A GROWING COMMERCIAL NODE AS OPPOSED TO A NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

IF YOU COULD MOVE TO THE NEXT SLIDE.

THIS IS ANOTHER VIEW OF THE SITE LOOKING EAST.

AND AGAIN, YOU CAN SEE THERE'S NO RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT ANYWHERE IN SITE. BUT THERE ARE WITHIN SEVERAL MILES A NUMBER OF RESIDENTIAL -- RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITIES.

AND ON THE SELF STORAGE CONCEPT, YOU PROBABLY ARE AWARE AND KNOW

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I MEAN IT'S NOW BECOME THE THIRD BAY OF A GARAGE OR THE SECOND BAY OF A ONE CAR GARAGE OR JUST A BASEMENT FOR ARE THOSE WHO COME FROMUM NORTH. AND TO HAVE TO DRIVE 20 MILES TO A FACILITY ON AN ARTERIAL MAJOR HIGHWAY, IT'S AN UNFORTUNATE USE OF GAS AND TRAVEL TIME. BUT IT ALSO INHIBITS THE USE OF THOSE FACILITIES BY RES DEBTS. BECAUSE THEY FILL THEM UP WITH CHRISTMAS DECORATIONS, THANKSGIVING DECORATIONS, EASTER DECORATIONS, OTHER HOLIDAY DECORATIONS.

THEY DON'T WANT TO DRIVE 30 MILES TO GET IT.

YARD TOOLS, PRESSURE WASHERS. THING YOU MIGHT USE REGULARLY BUT NOT EVERY DAY. YOU KNOW, SOME PEOPLE PUT BOATING STUFF IN THERE. LIFE PRESERVERS AND STUFF LIKE THAT. THE USERS OF THESE FACILITIES DON'T WANT TO DRIVE 20 TO 30 MILES GETTING TO IT TO PICK UP SOMETHING THEY NEED TO DO SOMETHING ELSE WITH.

THE EASTERLY BOUNDARY IS THE AGPRO TRACTOR.

I CALL IT TRACTOR. THEY HAVE OTHER THINGS.

AND ON THE WEST SIDE IS THE WALMART MARKETPLACE AND WAFFLE HOUSE AND SHOPPING CENTER. GO TO THE NEXT ONE.

CLAY COUNTY CURSELY CONCLUDED AT SOME POINT THAT ARTERIAL ROADS WERE THE PLACE TO PUT THESE THINGS.

AND IF YOU LOOK AT WHAT THE COMP PLAN SHOWS ON THE ROADWAYS AROUND AUTHOR SITE AND TO HELP YOU APPRECIATE WHAT IS SHOWN ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE IS THE LONG GREEN LINE IS BLANDING BOULEVARD ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE IS U.S. 17 MUCH THOSE ARE THE 2 ARTERIAL ROADS IN THE COUNTY. THERE IS A THIRD ONE THAT'S 301.

IT CLIPS THE WEST SIDE OF THE COUNTY WAY OUT THERE.

THESE ARE THE ONLY 2 ROADS DESIGNATED BY THE COUNTY AS ARTERIALS. YOU'LL SEE THAT 220 IS PLANNED TO BE WIDENED FROM 4 LANES TO 6 LANES WHICH WOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH THE TRAVEL LANES IN BOTH BLANDING AND 17. AND IF YOU FOLLOW 17 ALL THE WAY FROM THE COUNTY LINE, IT MAY BE 6 LANES BUT NOT DIVIDED LANES THE WHOLE WAY.

AND ACTUALLY 220 IS DIVIDE FROM 17 ALL THE WAY TO COLLEGE DRIVE.

THIS SHOWS THE IMPROVEMENTS TO 220 FROM -- I MEAN I'M NOT SURE WHERE THAT FIRST DOT IS. IT RUNS OVER TO ABOUT WHERE COLLEGE DRIVE IS. WILL BE 6 LANE.

WHICH WILL MAKE IT IN EFFECT COMPARABLE AND FUNCTION IN SIZE AND DESIGN AS THE ARTERIAL ROADS THE ONLY 2 OF WHICH ARE WITHIN CANNON SHOT. AND I POINT OUT THAT THE -- AND YOU PROBABLY APPRECIATE THIS, THE SELF STORAGE FACILITIES DON'T GENERATE MUCH TRAFFIC. NOT LIKE WE'RE PROPOSING A USE HERE THAT WOULD EAT UP ALL THE CAPACITY THAT'S GOING TO BE CREATED OR ANY CAPACITY THAT MAY EXIST ON COUNTY ROAD 220 RIGHT NOW. IT'S NOT A PEAK HOUR KIND OF THING. PEOPLE DON'T GET UP AT 8:00 IN THE MORNING TO GO THERE NECESSARILY.

IT'S OFTEN WEEKEND STUFF. AND IT'S NOT A REGULAR THING.

SO IT'S NOT LIKE A COMMERCIAL FACILITY WHERE IT ACTUALLY GENERATES A LOT OF TRIPS. IT'S LIKELY NOT TO GENERATE MANY TRIPS AT ALL IN COMPARISON. NEXT SLIDE.

THIS IS A SLIDE THAT SHOWS THE AVERAGE -- CURRENT AVERAGE DAILY TRIPS ON BLANDING, THE ONE ARTERIAL, AND ON HIGHWAY 17, THE OTHER ARTERIAL, COMPARED WITH 220 AT THIS SITE.

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BEFORE THE 6 LANE. AND 38,000 ON U.S. 17.

AND 36,000 ON BLANDING WHICH IN THE GRAND KEEP OF THINGS IS ALL ABOUT THE SAME NUMBER OF CARS. SO YOU SCRATCH YOUR HEAD AND GO, OKAY, WHAT WAS THE RATIONAL FOR REQUIRING AN ARTERIAL ROAD LOCATION WHEN YOU CAN SEE FROM THIS, THE SAME NUMBER OF CARS, ROUGHLY THE SAME NUMBER OF CARS ARE ON 220 AS THEY ARE ON EITHER OF THE ARTERIAL ROADS ANYWHERE NEAR THIS SITE.

AND YOU CAN SEE THAT IF YOU WENT UP 2-- EXCUSE ME, COLLEGE FROM THIS SITE YOU'RE NOT THAT FAR FROM BLANDING.

TO THE EXTENT THAT SOMEONE SAYS YOU'RE NOT EXACTLY ON AN ARTERIAL ROAD, YOU'RE NOT THAT FAR FROM ONE.

NEXT SLIDE. THIS IS A QUICK SUMMARY OF WHAT THE PROJECT WOULD BE. THE PROPERTY IS 5.5 ACHIES.

4 ACRES IS DEVELOPABLE. THE INTENT IS TO CONSTRUCT THE SQUARE FOOT CLASS A. CLIMATE CONTROLLED SELF STORAGE WITH INTERIOR STORAGE FACILITIES. THIS ISN'T AN OUTSIDE STORAGE.

IT'S NOT THE SINGLE STORY OLD STYLE KIND OF DEVELOPMENT OR STORAGE FACILITY. AND ACTUALLY WE'LL SEE IN JUST A MINUTE.

THIS IS KIND OF THE MODERN DESIGN FOR THESE THINGS.

THEY'RE IN AN UNOBTRUSIVE AND COMPATIBLE WITH WHAT'S AROUND THEM. IT'S GOT SHARED STORM WATER FACILITIES. SO BASICALLY IT GETS USED WHAT'S THERE AND DESIGNED WITH THE ADJOINING PROPERTIES IN MIND.

THIS IS AN ARCHITECTURAL RENDERING OF THE TYPE OF FACILITY THAT WOULD BE BUILT. YOU CAN SEE THAT IT'S GOT SOME ARCHITECTURAL CHARACTER TO IT. IT'S NOT JUST A BOX.

IT'S GOT SOME ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN THAT LIKE THE BLOCK AROUND FRONT. IT MAY NOT BE EXACTLY LIKE THIS.

THIS SHOW HIS YOU WHEN YOU DRIVE BY IT COULD PASS FOR AN OFFICE BUILDING. IT COULD PASS FOR A CHURCH.

IT COULD PASS FOR A NUMBER OF OTHER BUILDINGS AND FACILITIES THAT GENERALLY CAN BE PUT ON A B.B. 2 PARCEL.

AND THE COST OF SOMETHING LIKE THIS IS IN THE RANGE OF 11 TO $14 MILLION. SO IT'S NOT -- IT'S ADDING TO THE COUNTY TAX BASE. IT'S NOT OFFENSIVE TO THE AREA.

IT'S NOT UNATTRACTIVE. AND IT'S AT A SITE WHEN YOU COMPARE IT WITH WHAT THE ARTERIAL ROADS PROVIDE, IT'S PROVIDING THE SAME FUNCTION. AND THE NEXT SLIDE IS A PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN TELL FROM IT. BUT THE NORTH IS TO THE TOP.

THE WEST IS TO THE LEFT. AND THE EAST IS TO THE RIGHT.

AND YOU CAN SEE THAT THE BUILDING WHERE THE SELF STORAGE FACILITY WOULD BE FACES THE SIDE SO THAT THE PACKING'S ON THE SIDE WHICH IS A CRITERIA LAKE ASBURY AND BRANENFIELD REQUIRED ON NOT NECESSARILY SELF STORAGE BUT ON OFFICE STORAGE AND STUFF LIKE THAT. THEY DON'T WANT THE PARKINGING OUT FRONT AND THE BUILDING WAY SET BACK.

THIS IS CONSISTENT WITH THAT PLANNING.

IT ALLOWS FOR ARE 2 OTHER OUT PARCELS.

CALLED OUT PARCELS. 2 OTHER PARCELS WOULD BE AVAILABLE FOR COMMERCIAL RETAIL DEVELOPMENT.

AND JUST A POINT ON THAT AT THIS JUNCTURE.

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THEY'RE 6-8 LITTLE UNITS. THEY'RE EMPTY OR RUN DOWN.

AND IT'S BECAUSE THE RETAIL JUST DOESN'T GO INTO BRICK AND MORTAR FACILITIES SO MUCH ANYMORE. THEY CAN DO IT ONLINE.

KEEP THEIR STUFF IN A WAREHOUSE FACILITY SOMEWHERE AND NOT ACTUALLY HAVE WALK IN CUSTOMERS. SO THE IDEA OF LEAVING THIS TO THE B.B. 2 KIND OF COMMERCIAL RETAIL SMALL OFFICE KIND OF THING IS ACTUALLY NOT VIABLE AT THE MOMENT.

IT WOULDN'T BE DEVELOPED. IT WOULD SIT AND THE PARCEL WOULD SIT THERE UNTIL ANOTHER OPTION LIKE THIS CAME

ALONG. >> WOULD ALL THE LOADING AND UNLOADING OCCUR IN THE DRIVE LANE INSIDE THE BELIEVE?

>> IT WOULD BE ALONG THE -- I BELIEVE.

>> I CAN SPEAK TO THAT IF YOU DON'T MIND.

>> COME UP HERE. GET THE RECORDING THAT WAY.

YOU'RE ON TV SO SMILE. >> MY NAME IS CHRIS PALMER.

SO THE WAY IT WORKS IF YOU LOOK AT IT.

IT'S A CONDITIONED DRIVE THRU LANE.

THERE'S A GOOSE NECK. YOU PUNCH IN YOUR CODE.

AND A GATE OPENINGS UP. YOU DRIVE YOUR CAR IN.

PARK OVER TO THE SIDE. INSIDE OF THE BUILDING THERE ARE -- HIGH SPEED GLASS DOORS THAT OPEN TO GO INTO INTERIOR CORRIDORS. YOU HAVE A CART PUSH YOUR STUFF TO YOUR UNIT AND THEN YOU DRIVE OUT.

SO -- >> OVER THERE WHERE THE PARKINGING SPACES ARE. THAT'S JUST TO MEET CODE?

>> CORRECT. WE THEORETICALLY COULD DO THOSE INTERIOR OR EXTRA ARE ON THE CAN EAST SIDE OF THE BUILDING.

WE HAVEN'T FINALIZED ANYTHING. WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO FULL ARCHITECTURE PLANS UNTIL WE DO THIS VARIANCE POSSIBLY.

THE ONLY PLACE THERE WOULD BE EXTERIOR UNITS A FEW OF THOSE ON THE NORTHEAST PART OF THE BUILDING.

YOU PROBABLY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO SEE THEM FROM 220.

WE COULD DO THOSE INTERIOR AS WELL.

TO WHERE IT WAS ALL INTERIOR UNITS AS WELL.

>> OKAY. >> THE IDEA.

JUST A NOTE. THIS SITE PLAN SHOWS A COFFEE SHOP ON THE EASTERN PORTION. WEAVE COULD DO ONE OUT PARCEL OR 2 OUT PARCELS. WE LAID THIS OUT FOR A PARTICULAR USER WHO HAD INTEREST IN THE SITE.

THEY'RE INTERESTED BUT WAITING ON US.

WE HAVEN'T GONE TO FULL MARKET TO OTHER USERS TO SEE IF YOU HAVE INTEREST. WE HAVE A LOT OF TENANTS AND THINGS THAT WE WORK WITH. WE HAVE SOME TARGETS WE'RE GOING TO GO AFTER AND GET ON THE SITE IF WE GET THROUGH THIS PROCESS.

WE WANT IT TO BE FLUID. RICK CAN GET INTO THE IDEA OF THE SET BACK WHY THAT WOULD GIVE US MORE TO DO ON NON STORAGE

USAGE FOR THE PARCEL. >> ASKING FOR 30 FEET TO 20 FEET ON THE SET BACK ON THE EAST SIDE.

>> NO. THAT'S WHERE IT'S MISINTERPRETED A BIT. BECAUSE THE PARCEL WOULD BE DIVIDED. THAT SET BACK IS WHERE IT SPLITS THE OUT PARCEL AND STORAGE POSSIBLE.

THE EAST SIDE IS WHATEVER THAT USE WOULD BE.

WHATEVER THE CODE SAYS THE SET BACK FOR THE COFFEE SHOP WOULD

APPLY. >> IT'S JUST THAT PIECE BETWEEN

THE CURBING. >> AND THE PARCEL LOT.

>> AND THE PARCEL THAT GOES WITH THE STORAGE AND PARCEL 2.

>> THAT IS CORRECT. I THINK RICK DREW IT WHERE YOU

SEE THE 20 FEET. >> HARD TO READ THE 20.

>> THAT'S THE ACTUAL REQUEST IS THE SET BACK OF JUST THE 30 FEET TO 20 FEET IN THAT MIDDLE SECTION.

NOT ANYWHERE AROUND THE EXTERIOR.

>> CAN YOU PULL THAT UP A BIT. >> I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU CAN.

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>> YEAH, I THINK WE CAN. >> THEY JUST GET BLURRY.

>> YEAH. >> IT WOULD BE THE LINE KIND OF

WHERE HIS HAND IS RIGHT THERE. >> RIGHT THERE TO THE LEFT OF

THAT. >> SO THE FENCE WHATEVER IT IS

WOULD BE THERE. >> I'M RICK WELCH.

AND YES TO CLARIFY THE LOGIC WAS WHEN I TALKED WITH STAFF WAS WHATEVER THE USE IS ON PARCEL 2 WE HAD TO HAVE THAT BUFFER SPECIFICALLY BETWEEN THE STORAGE UNIT AND PARCEL 2.

>> OKAY. >> SO THAT WAS HOW WE.

AND THE WAY I READ THE CODE WAS YOU HAD TO HAVE THE 20 FOOT INTENSE BUFFER TYPE B. BUFFER I BELIEVE IT WAS.

YET THE LANGUAGE IN THE MINI STORAGE WAS 30 FEET.

BUT THE PLANTINGS WERE THE SAME. LET'S MAKE THAT A COMMONALITY.

TAKING INTO ACCOUNT ALTERNATES PART OF THIS OVERALL.

>> ARE YOU DOING THE 30 FEET BY WAFFLE HOUSE.

>> YES, SIR. IT'S JUST THIS INTERNAL.

THE INTENT WAS TO CONSOLIDATE THAT AND ALSO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THAT IT'S PART OF THIS MASTER TRACT.

>> YEAH. >> SINCE I'M HERE.

THE IDEA ON THE VINYL FENCING WAS SOMEWHAT THE SAME IDEA.

ONCE YOU GET BEYOND EYE SIGHT OF THE HIGHWAY.

ON THE ARCHITECTURAL RENDERING YOU CAN SEE THE WROUGHT IRON LOOK. WE WERE WANTING TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE GOAL OF THE COUNTY THERE.

ONCE YOU PUT ALL THE PLANTINGS IN THERE WITH THE FENCE IT WOULDN'T MATTER WHAT KIND OF FENCE IT IS YOU WOULDN'T SEE IT.

ONCE YOU GET THE VEGETATION MATURE.

>> WHERE WOULD THE FENCING BE LOCATED?

>> I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S AT THE PERIMETER OR TOWARDS THE INSIDE.

WE WOULD FOLLOW THE GUIDELINES. THE FENCING COMBINED WITH THE VEGETATION THAT'S IN TYPE B.. IT WOULD BE WITHIN THAT 20 FEET.

>> SOMEWHAT BETWEEN THE CURB AND THE PARCEL.

>> FRANK, I DIDN'T MEAN TO CUT YOU OFF.

THE WHOLE FENCING REQUIREMENT WENT BACK TO THE MINISTORAGES THAT WE USED TO BUILD 20 YEARS AGO.

ONE STORY AND A BUNCH OF GARAGE DOORS.

NOW MOST OF THEM THAT YOU SEE ARE GOING MULTI-STORY.

THE ONLY SECURITY THEY NEED ARE THE 2 ROLL UP DOORS.

YOU CAN'T GET ANY PLACE ELSE. YOU MAY HAVE FIRE EXITS.

>> NO WORLD DOES A CHAIN LINK FENCE LOOKS LIKE A WROUGHT IRON

FENCE. >> DO WE HAVE TO HAVE A FENCE?

>> THE CODE REQUIRES THE SITE TO BE SECURED BY A WALL OR FENCE.

>> IVE MIGHT KIND OF ADD ON TO THAT.

>> YEAH. >> THE WROUGHT IRON FENCE IS --

>> DECORATIVE. >> THAT'S AN AESTHETIC THING.

IT WILL KEEP PEOPLE FROM DRIVING THROUGH. IT'S NOT FOR ARE THAT REASON. I WOULD REFER YOU TO THE CHANGES THAT THE COUNTY RECENTLY MADE I THINK IT WAS LAST SUM IN THE RECREATIONAL VEHICLE AND BOAT STORAGE FACILITIES.

THE COUNTY CHANGED THE CONDITIONAL USES THERE AGAIN IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE FENCED. THEY ACKNOWLEDGED ON THE FENCING RUNNING ALONG THE SIDES OF A SITE, THE FENCE HAS TO BE ONLY A DISTANCE SUFFICIENT TO SCREEN THE SITE FROM VIEW FROM SUCH PUBLIC ROAD ALONG THE BOUNDARIES OF THE SITE ADJACENT TO THE PROPERTY. SO WHAT THE COUNTY HAS ACKNOWLEDGED IS THAT WHEN YOU'RE -- THE PURPOSE OF THIS FENCING IS AESTHETIC. AND WHEN YOU GET TO THE POINT WHERE YOU CAN'T SEE IT FROM THE ROAD, THE COUNTY DOESN'T CARE.

THE IDEA HERE IS IT'S A UNIQUE SITUATION AND NOT TRYING TO BE GENERALLY APPLICABLE. BUT YOU KNOW ONCE YOU GET FAR ENOUGH BACK FROM THE ROAD NO ONE IS GOING TO KNOW.

AND YOU'VE PROBABLY SEEN THE SLATTED CHAIN LINK.

IT'S NOT UNATTRACTIVE. IT'S NOT AS BAD AS CHAIN LINK ITSELF. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS AT THIS POINT. I'M NOT FINISHED.

>> LET ME ASK -- I MEAN -- ASK ABOUT THE FENCING.

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>> YEAH. >> THAT WOULD BE THE VEHICLAR

GATE. >> OKAY.

>> FENCING NORTHWARDS TOWARD THAT BUFFER.

MY THOUGHT ONCE IT GETS THE FACT THAT WE HAVE ALL THE PLANTINGS REQUIRED BY THE 20 POINT BUFFER IT'S GOING TO DISAPPEAR IN THE VEGETATION AT THIS POINT. THAT WAS AS SIMPLE AS I WAS

TRYING TO THINK ABOUT IT. >> ON THE NORTH SIDE YOU COULD

PUT IT AGAINST THE POND. >> RIGHT.

AND ON THE WEST SIDE WE WOULD RUN IT -- I DON'T -- I GUESS IT WOULD BE SPECIFIC -- CONSISTENT WITH CODE.

WE'D HAVE TO COME OFF THAT FRONT CORNER OF THE BUILDING AND RUN BACK. EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT SECURING

ANYTHING. >> WHAT I'M ASKING IS COULD THEY HAVE THAT 30 FOOT LANDSCAPED AREA IF THEY DON'T HAVE DOORS OR ACCESS OVER THERE COULD THEY RUN THAT FENCE IN THE NOTCH OF THE BUILDING IN THE NORTHWEST CORNER YOU'VE GOT THE NOTCH IN THE BUILDING, COULD THEY COME OFF OF THERE AND WOULD THAT BE ADEQUATE

FOR FENCING? >> UTILIZING BASICALLY THE WALL

OF THE STRUCTURE. >> THAT WHOLE WESTWARD WALL THEY DON'T HAVE ACCESS POINTS. OF DO YOU FENCE PEOPLE TO KEEP

THEM AWAY FROM THE WALL. >> I THINK IF I MAY INTERJECT IN READING THE CODE IT WAS DRIVEN BY THE 30-40 STORAGE UNITS WHERE YOU HAD A ROLL UP DOOR EVERY 5'. TO YOUR POINT WE AGREE.

>> THAT'S WHERE YOU GOT TO PUT YOUR A.C. UNITS.

>> THEY'LL BEING ON THE ROOF. >> OKAY.

I JUST, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, MY QUESTION IS.

>> WHY HAVE A FENCE. >> IF YOU GOT TO HAVE A FENCE,

WHAT ARE WE FENCING IN. >> THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH

WHY WE'RE HERE TONIGHT. >> YES IT DOES.

BY CODE FROM FRONT ALL THE WAY DOWN THE WEST SIDE, ALL THE WAY DOWN THE NORTH SIDE, ALL THE WAY DOWN THE EAST SIDE HAS TO BE FENCED WITH WROUGHT IRON BY THE CODE.

>> THEY'RE HERE TO ASK -- >> HE WAS -- IT'S 3 CONDITIONS.

ONE OF THEM WAS TO GO WITH THE BLACK VINYL IN LIEU OF WROUGHT IRON. I'M ON THAT ONE RIGHT NOW.

WE'RE NOT TO THE POINT OF CAN THEY BUILD ON A NON-ARTERIAL.

THE ONLY PERSON IN THIS ROOM WHO KNOWS WHY THE ARTERIAL THING CAME ABOUT IS ME. I WAS SITTING HERE WHEN THE B.C.C. CAME TO THAT AGREEMENT. I'LL GET TO THAT IN A MINUTE.

IF WE CAN KEEP IT LEGAL WITH AS MUCH FENCING AS WE HAVE TO.

IF MIKE SAYS THE WHOLE THING FROM FRONT TO BACK AND ALL SIDES HAS TO BE FENCED IN. LET'S DECIDE THAT.

THEN WE'LL TALK ABOUT CAN WE GRANT ANY OF IT NON WROUGHT IRON. IF MIKE SAYS, WELL, YOU KNOW, LIKE RICK SAID WE WANT TO COME OFF HERE AND GO BACK, MAKE WE DON'T NEED AS MUCH. NUMBER ONE THE OWNER MAY SAY I'LL DO ALL THAT IN WROUGHT IRON.

>> SO I UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M LOOKING AT HERE.

THE 30 FOOT BARRIER THE LINE THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF THE PICTURE HERE. THAT'S WHERE THEY NEED TO RUN

THE FENCE. >> THE DARK LINE ON THE FAR LEFT SIDE. AND THE DARK LINE IN THE MIDDLE BETWEEN PARCEL 1 AND 2. THEY WOULD NEED A FENCE ALL THE WAY DOWN THERE ARE AND ALL THE WAY ACROSS WHERE THE POND IS.

>> RIGHT. >> WHAT WE'RE THINKING THE CODE SAYS. I WAS ASKING STAFF, SINCE THEY DON'T HAVE DOORS THERE OR POINT OF INGRESS OR EGRESS COULD WE POSSIBLY NOT FENCE IN -- I'D ASK IT ALL.

THEY'RE IMPUNITIES IF WE DON'T HAVE ANY FENCING.

>> WE'RE THINKING THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF THE BUILDING RUN THE

FENCE THERE ARE UP TO THE POND. >> ON THE RIGHT SIDE HALFWAY SEE THE BLIP. THAT'S A PARKING.

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THAT. >> TOP LEFT OF THE BUILDING.

>> YEAH. >> THAT MAKES SENSE TO ME.

IF THERE'S NO ENTRY. I DON'T SEE A REASON TO HAVE A

FENCE ON THE WEST SIDE. >> PROBABLY THAT'S THE COUNTY REQUIREMENT. IF THEY HAVE TO FENCE A PORTION OF IT, THE DEVELOPER MAY SAY I'LL DO IT IN WROUGHT IRON.

>> THE ONLY THING TO POSSIBLY FENCE WOULD BE -- ESSENTIALLY GOING AROUND THAT PARKING AREA. THAT'S IT, RIGHT?

>>. >> YEP.

>> AND IF WE COULD PUSH IT HALF WAY BACK YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SEE

THE FENCE MATERIAL. >> ANYTIME YOU PUT A FENCE ACROSS A ROAD YOU HAVE TO HAVE A GATE.

A MOTORIZED GATE AND ALL THAT. >> YOU MAY HAVE ANSWERED THIS BEFORE. THAT BUILDING ON THE EAST SIDE.

IS THAT THE INTAKE OFFICE. >> COFFEE SHOP.

>> A DRIVE THROUGH ONLY COFFEE SHOP.

THAT'S PRELIMINARY. NOT LAID IN STONE.

WILL YOU DO A LAY OUT FOR US. >> THE ONLY THING YOU ARE BUILDING OR WANTING TO IS THAT BUILDING.

>> THAT'S CORRECT. WE CAN'T TAKE IT TO MARKET IF WE

DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO MARKET. >> GOT YOU.

>> THE VARIANCE APPLY TO THE PARTIAL 3-- THE FAR LEFT PARCEL.

THAT'S WHERE THE REDUCTION FROM 30 FEET TO 20 FEET AND THE FENCE COMES IN. AND HAVING A 3 STORY CONDITION

STORY OR A NON-ARTERIAL. >> SO IF I COULD CONTINUE FOR A MOMENT. WELL, NOW WE'RE GOING TO GET TO SOME OF THESE SITES THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED THAT ARE NOT ON ARTERIALS. OKAY THIS IS THE SITE THAT'S A QUARTER MILE DOWN THE ROAD. IT'S -- IT WAS APPROVED FOR SELF STORAGE IN 2018. DOWN ON THE ROAD ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE PRESENT. IT'S NOT ON AN ARTERIAL ROAD.

IT'S NOT EVEN DIRECTLY ON 220. IT'S ON AN ACCESS ROAD OFF OF A LOCAL ROAD. AND IF YOU LOOK BACK IN THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF THAT PARCEL, IT BACKS UP TO RESIDENCES.

THE COUNTY SAID THAT'S OKAY, YOU CAN PUT A MULTI-STORY SELF STORAGE FACILITY ON THAT SITE. THE NEXT SITE IS OVER ON JEREMIAH STREET THIS IS OF COURSE ANOTHER SITE NOT ON AN ARTERIAL. IT WAS APPROVED BY A VARIANCE BY THIS BOARD IN DECEMBER OF 2020. AND IT DOESN'T HAVE DIRECT ACCESS TO AN ARTERIAL. THIS IS DOWN IN MIDDLEBURG ON A LOCAL ROAD. ON A LOCAL ROAD THAT CONNECTS TO SECTION STREET WHICH IS ANOTHER LOCAL ROAD.

AND THEN -- THEN THAT SECTION STREET IF YOU FOLLOW IT EASTERLY TO THE RIGHT ON THIS THERE'S TONS OF RESIDENCES BACK THERE.

THAT'S THE GUTS OF MIDDLEBURGS OLD TOWN RESIDENCES.

YOU HAVE THE SITUATION OF THIS BOARD APPROVED IT'S NOT ON AN ARTERIAL ROAD. IT'S ON A LOCAL ROAD.

AND THE LOCAL ROAD ACCESSES RESIDENCES BUT IT'S OKAY.

AND THEN THE NEXT ONE IS UP ON -- THIS IS JEREMIAH.

DID WE SKIP ONE OR MISS ONE. >> REPORTER: THE ONE YOU JUST DID WAS IN MIDDLEBURG I DON'T THINK IT'S ON JEREMIAH STREET.

THAT WAS ON HUTTON. >> AND IT WAS ON SECTION.

THAT'S RIGHT. SO WHAT I SAID ABOUT IT WAS ACCURATE. MY REFERENCE WAS WRONG.

>> THIS ONE IS ON JEREMIAH STREET.

THIS IS THE BRENENFIELD AREA. JEREMIAH STREET IS A LOCAL ROAD.

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ACCESSES THAT LOCAL ROAD. IT DOESN'T HAVE DIRECT ACCESS TO AN ARTERIAL. IT ACTUALLY GOES FROM ONE LOCAL ROAD TO THE OLD BRANENFIELD ROAD WHICH RUNS FROM 20 TO BLANDING.

>> IS THAT IN THE P.U.D.. >> I DON'T KNOW.

>> THAT'S BEHIND THE HOTEL THERE.

IT MUST HAVE BEEN A P.U.D.. OKAY.

>> THEN THE LAST ONE. GO TO THE NEXT ONE.

THIS IS OVER IN FLEMMING ISLAND AND IT'S AGAIN ON EAST WEST PARKWAY WHICH ISN'T AN ARTERIAL. IT ACCESSES 220.

IT ALSO ACCESSES BY WAY OF THE EAST WEST PARKWAY U.S. 17.

BUT THE POINT AGAIN IS IT'S NOT ACCESSING A -- IT'S NOT LOCATED ON AN ARTERIAL ROAD. SO THE COUNTY HAS BEEN INCONSISTENT WITH THE WAY IT APPLIES THIS.

AND GRANTED SITUATIONS THAT IT'S FOUND TO BE APPROPRIATE.

AND THIS FACILITY BY THE WAY WAS CONSTRUCTED IN 2016.

>> THAT IS A REAL GREAT LOOKING PROPERTY.

>> I WONDER WHO BUILT THAT. >> ME.

BUT YOU'RE RIGHT THAT WAS A P.U.D..

WE DIDN'T HAVE TO BE THE FENCING BECAUSE OF IT BEING A P.U.D..

>> OUT OF THESE EXAMPLES AND I THINK THERE ARE A COUPLE OFFINGS THAT WERE FURTHER AWAY. THESE ARE IN THIS AREA, OF THESE EXAMPLES, YOU KNOW, NONE OF THEM ACCESS DIRECTLY ON TO AN ARTERIAL ROAD. AND YET THEY'VE BEEN APPROVED IN OUR CASE IN OUR SITE THIS IS SIMILAR IN THE WAY IT'S SET UP AND ARRANGEMENT AND ACTUALLY IS BETTER LOCATIONAL WISE AND USE WISE THAN THESE ARE. SOME OF THESE ADMITTEDLY ARE IN P.U.D.S. I WOULD POINT OUT TO YOU THAT THE CODE DOESN'T SAY A SELF STORAGE FACILITY HAS TO BE ON AN ARTERIAL ROAD UNLESS IT'S IN A P.U.D..

THE CODE SAYS IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE ON AN ARTERIAL ROAD.

THE COUNTY INTERPRETED THAT IN A MANNER THAT ALLOWS SELF STORAGE FACILITIES TO BE LOCATED ON LOCAL ROADS.

NOT ONLY LOCAL ROADS BUT ALSO LOCAL ROADS THAT CONNECT TO LOCAL ROADS THAT THEN CONNECT TO OTHER MAJOR ROADS.

AND AS YOU MAY HAVE SEEN ON A MUCHLER SLIDE THE 220 RIGHT NOW IS CONSIDERED A MAJOR CONNECTOR BY THE COUNTY'S DEFINITIONS.

IT'S CAPACITY, FUNCTIONALITY, DESIGN IS BASICALLY THE SAME AS THE ARTERIALS. SO IN SUMMARY THERE ARE ONLY THE 2 ARTERIALS IN THE COUNTY THAT HAVE ANY RELATIONSHIP TO THIS PARCEL. THIS SITE IS CLOSE TO USERS.

THERE ARE RESIDENCES DOWN EASTERLY ON 220 AND WESTERLY UP ON COLLEGE DRIVE. SO IT'S -- IT'S CLOSE TO THE PEOPLE WHO NEED A FACILITY LIKE THIS.

IT'S COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING USES.

YOU HAVE THE TRACTOR STORE AGPRO ON ONE SIDE.

MARKET PLACE AND OTHER DEVELOPMENT TO THE WEST.

PARK AND RIDE. YOU'VE GOT NO RESIDENCES AROUND YOU THAT IT COULD POSSIBLY BE AN IMPOSITION TO.

THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS NEIGHBOR HAS A POSITIVE IMPACT ON THE TRAFFIC CIRCUMSTANCES. IF YOU REJECT THIS AND THEY HAVE TO DO THE TYPICAL OTHER TYPE OF B.B. 2 FOR THE WHOLE PROPERTY YOU'RE GOING TO INCREASE TRAFFIC.

I MEAN IT'S JUST -- THAT'S THE WAY IT GOES.

THIS IS A GOOD USE OF THE PROPERTY.

IT'S A GOOD LOCATION. IT'S GOT THE BENEFITS OF BEING SURROUNDED AT LEAST ON THE SOUTH BY A HUGE CONSERVATION EASEMENT THAT IT'S KIND OF SHIELDED FROM EVERYTHING THAT MAY GO AROUND IT. I SPOKE TO THE DISTRICT COMMISSION HER BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONER FOR THIS DISTRICT

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HE TOLD ME THIS IS A SITE WHERE A SELF STORAGE FACILITY SHOULD GO. HE HAS A PROBLEM WITH THE SITE THAT HE'S HAVING TO DEAL WITH IN FLEMMING ISLAND FOR A NUMBER OF REASONS. HE FELT THIS WAS THE SITE APPROPRIATE FOR A SELF STORAGE FACILITY.

I WOULD POINT OUT THAT THE OTHER VARIANCE REQUESTS DEALING WITH THE FENCING AND THE SET BACKS DON'T DO ANY HARM TO THE INTENT OF THOSE SECTIONS, AGAIN, WHEN YOU START RUNNINGING FENCE BACK FROM THE ROAD AND INTO BUSHES NOT GOING TO SEE THE FENCE ANYMORE. AND CERTAINLY NOT DRIVING BY.

THE SET BACKS ARE APPROPRIATE IN LIGHT OF WHAT YOU'VE GOT AROUND YOU. I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER

QUESTIONS. >> GO TO THE SITE PLAN -- THE ACTUAL BLACK AND WHITE SITE. THERE YOU GO.

>> I'VE GOT A QUESTION. HOW DOES IT SAY THAT THE FENCE IS REQUIRED? IS IT FROM THE RIGHT AWAY? IS IT FROM THE BUILDING? WHAT WAS REQUIRED?

WHAT WAS YOUR INTENT THERE? >> I'LL READ THE SECTION FROM THE CODE. THE SITE SHALL BE SECURED WITH A MASONARY WALLS AND 6' IN HEIGHT. IN LIEU OF THE WALL A WROUGHT IRON FENCE OR FENCE RESEMBLING WROUGHT IRON MAY BE UTILIZED IN CONJINCTION WITH A HEDGE OR NATURAL VEGERATION TO PROVIDE 100% OPACITY WITHIN 2 YEARS OF THE TIME OF PLANNING.

>> IT DOESN'T REALLY -- I WAS GOING TO GET AT IT -- IF IT SAID YOU HAD TO START FROM THE RIGHT AWAY 100 FEET YOU'RE BARELY GOING TO GET TO THE BUILDING. THAT'S NOT THE CASE.

THE FENCE WOULD BE WHEREVER YOU STARTED IT WOULD HAVE TO GO.

>> CAN YOU READ THE BEGINNING OF THAT.

IT SAYS IN LIEU OF. >> IN LIEU OF THE WALL.

>> PRIOR TO THAT. >> PRIOR TO THE IN LIEU.

>> THE SITE SHALL BE SECURED BY A MASONRY WALL AT LEAST 6' IN

HEIGHT. >> WHAT YOU'RE SAYING THE STRUCTURE OF THE BUILDING SUFFICE.

WOULD THAT SUFFICE AS THE MASONARY WALL.

>> YOU'RE PUTTING A FENCE IN AND PLANTS IN.

IT'S NOT ABOUT SECURING THE SITE.

IT'S ABOUT PUTTING A WALL AROUND IT SO PEOPLE DON'T LOOK AT IT.

>> I MEAN. >> ONE WAY OUT THERE.

>> IS THAT -- >> I THINK THEIR ARCHITECTURAL RENDERING SHOWS IT'S NOT AN UGLY BUILDING TO LOOK AT.

>> THAT'S THE CHALLENGE WE'RE UP AGAINST.

THE CODE WAS WRITTEN FOR THE OLD STYLE WITH THE ROLL UP DOORS CONSISTENTLY DOWN TO HIDE IT. WE HAVE THE OPPOSITE OF THAT.

ALL THE ACCESS IS FROM WITHIN THE BUILDING.

>> THIS IS A 3 STORY BUILDING. >> YES, SIR.

>> A FENCE ISN'T GOING TO COVER THAT BUILDING ANYWAY.

>> CODE BE RELOOKED AT. WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT BEFORE.

>> ALSO FOR CLARIFICATION FOR YOU GUYS.

HE MENTIONED ALL THESE VARIANCES.

THIS BOARD HAS ALLOWED ONE VARIANCE FOR ONE STORAGE PLACE FOR MIDDLEBURG. WE HAVE ISSUED ONE VARIANCE.

IT WAS A VERY LIMITED USE PIECE OF LAND THAT RACE TRACK AND EVERYONE AROUND IT. THAT WAS THE LEAST INJURIOUS BUILDING THEY COULD BUILD BECAUSE IT IS LOW TRAFFIC.

OTHERWISE IT WAS A VACANT OVERGROWN LOT CAUSINGING PROBLEMS. THAT'S THE ONLY ONE WE'VE

ALLOWED OFF OF THIS BOARD. >> THAT RENDERING IS SITE SPECIFIC. WE DID DO THAT BASED ON WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE. IT'S NOT FINAL.

WE COULD TWEAK THINGS HERE AND THERE.

THAT IS LARGELY WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE ON THIS SITE.

>> SO I JUST -- I GET YOUR POINT ABOUT TRYING TO HIDE THE

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I DON'T SEE A NEED FOR A FENCE. >> ARE WE TALKING AMONGST OURSELVES. I TEND TO AGREE.

ABOUT YOU THEY HAVEN'T ASKED FOR THAT.

THEY ASKED TO LET IT GO TO BLACK CHAIN LINK.

>> RIGHT. >> AND I'M LIKE LET THEM HAVE WHAT THEY ASK FOR. AND LET IT BE.

FIGURE OUT WHERE IT GOES. >> YEAH, I WOULDN'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THAT EITHER. THE REASON THEY'RE ASKING FOR THAT FENCING STUFF IS BECAUSE OF THE SET BACK REQUIREMENTS.

IF THERE WAS NO FENCE REQUIREMENT THE ONLY THING IT WOULD BE HERE FOR SORRY THE ARTERIAL ROADWAY.

>> AND THE COST OF THE FENCE. IF THEY GO TO CHAIN LINK IT'S

MUCH CHEAPER. >> YEP.

>> I MEAN I LIKE RICK'S IDEA OF ON THE EAST SIDE WHICH IS

AGAINST THE FUTURE RETAIL. >> UH-HUH.

>> FENCING THE BACK HALF. NOT THE FRONT HALF TOWARD 220 BUT THE BACK HALF. I WOULD RECOMMEND ALL THAT IN WROUGHT IRON. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT RETAIL IS GOING TO BE. ALONG THE POND AND THAT BACK CORNER THERE'S A POND OVER THERE I HAPPEN TO KNOW.

HAVING VINYL COATED CHAIN LINK TO ME YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SEE IT. I WOULDN'T HAVE ANY ON THE SIDE WHERE THE OLD SONIC AND THE FUTURE WAFFLE HOUSE IS GOING TO BE. NOW THE FIRST VARIANCE THEY ASKED FOR IS TO BUILD THIS SUCKER ON A NON-ARTERIAL.

THE REASON THE COUNTY CODE SAYS IT HAS TO BE ON ARTERIAL IS BECAUSE THE FIRST MULTI-STORY CONDITIONED SELF STORAGE IN CLAY COUNTY WAS NEXT DOOR TO THE OLD WALMART WHICH IS THE 2 STORY BRIGHT ORANGE UHAUL BUILDING. AND 2 OF THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS AND HALF THE PLANNING COMMISSIONERS THOUGHT THAT WAS THE UGLIEST BUILDING EVER.

BRIGHT ORANGE AND 2 STORY AND RIGHT THERE.

AND SO THE CODE SUDDENLY SAID WE DON'T WANT THEM ANY PLACE BUT BLANDING AND 17 BECAUSE THEY'RE UGLY.

THINGS HAVE CHANGED AND NOBODY IS GOING TO SPEND $11 MILLION TO BUILD A SUCKER GOING TO DO IT IN ORANGE.

MIGHT DO IT IN METAL. CERTAINLY NOT IN ORANGE.

IT IS TIME TO RELOOK AT SOME OF THESE THINGS.

THERE ARE MANY ROADS IN CLAY COUNTY THAT HAVE THE TRAFFIC AND WELL 50 OF ALL THERE'S NOT A LOT OF TRAFFIC AT A STORAGE FACILITY. I'M THINKING COLLEGE DRIVE COULD HOLD ONE OF THESE. OTHER ROADS AS WELL.

THEY DON'T HAVE TO BE -- THE FARTHER SOUTH YOU GO, THE FARTHER IT IS FROM WHEREVER YOU LIVE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU LIVE IN

LAKE ASBURY IT'S A LONG WAY. >> WE'RE GROWING.

>> WE ARE GROWING. THE SET BACK 20 TO 30 FEET.

I MEAN -- LIKE TOM SAID IT'S A 3 STORY BUILDING.

AS LONG AS THE BUILDING LOOKS NICE.

>> THAT'S THE OTHER THING. IF WE COUNT THE STRUCTURE.

YOU ONLY NEED THE FENCE IF YOU CAN'T SECURE THE BUILDING.

>> AS LONG AS THEY MAKE THE BUILDING LOOK NICE.

I HAVE PLANTED 24 INCH SHRUBS AND TREES TO BLOCK A BUILDING.

THEY DON'T BLOCK IT BUT MEETS CODE.

>> ISN'T THAT HOW IT READS IF IT CAN BE SECURED YOU DON'T NEED A

FENCE. >> NO.

>> WE HAVE NOT INTERPRETED. STAFF HAS NOT INTERPRETED IT

THAT WAY. >> STAFF IS SAYING IT HAS TO BE A SEPARATE -- THE PRE-SLAB TILT UP CONCRETE WALL IS NOT SCIRE.

YOU HAVE TO SECURE IT WITH A FENCIFT THEY MAY WANT A FENCE

AROUND IT ANYWAY. >> SECURED DOESN'T MEAN SECURITY. IT MEANS SURROUNDING THE

BUILDING NO LESS. >> ON THE BUFFER ISSUE.

MAYBE IT'S -- IT GETS CONFUSING BECAUSE OF THE WAY THE CODE IS WRITTEN. I THINK WE WOULD BE WILLINGING TO BRING THE VEGETATION ALL THE WAY DOWN, ALL THE WAY TO THE FRONTAGE. YOU KNOW, BUT MAYBE IF THE FENCE AND GATING SYSTEM IS AT MIDWAY ISLAND THE FENCE WOULDN'T HAVE

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>> THE VEGETATION IS A DIFFERENT CRITERIA AND YOU'RE GOING TO SPREAD IT OUT FOR 30 OR COMPRESS IT FOR 20.

IT'S STILL NOT GOING TO HIDE A BUILDING.

BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THE OPACITY STOPS AT 6'.

ABOVE 6' YOU'RE GOING TO SEE 24 FEET OF BUILDING ABOVE THAT.

AND I DON'T THINK YOU ALL -- I DON'T THINK ANYBODY IN THEIR RIGHT MIND WOULD BUILD AN UGLY BUILDING ON TO 220.

YOU'RE TRYING TO ATTRACT PEOPLE TO IT.

>> RIGHT. >> THAT'S MY THOUGHT.

>> I'M STILL -- I THINK THERE'S SOME THINGS THAT COULD BE DISCUSSED ABOUT THE FENCE. DO THIS.

DO THAT. I THINK THAT'S THEIR PROBLEM.

I THINK WE LOOK AT DO WE APPROVE THE VARIANCE.

LET THEM FIGURE OUT WHERE IT WORKS BEST.

THAT'S MY OPINION. I'M WILLING TO MAKE A MOTION UNLESS SOMEBODY'S GOT A QUESTION.

I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE IT AS REQUEST FROM THIS

VARIANCE. >> I'LL SECOND IT.

>> SO LET ME CLARIFY THIS, YOU ARE RECOMMENDING A VARIANCE FOR A MULTI-STORY WITH DIRECT ACCESS TO A NON-ARTERIAL ROADWAY INTRODUCE THE REQUIRED VEGETATIVE BUFFER ON THE EAST SIDE FROM 30 FEET TO 20 AND TO ALLOW FOR BLACK VINYL COATING CHAIN LINK FENCE TO SECURE THE SENSE ONCE THE FENCE IS MORE THAN 100 FEET FROM 220 RIGHT AWAY.

>> FROM WHEREVER IT STARTS. >> FROM WHEREVER IT STARTS.

I HAVE A MOTION. THAT WAS A SECOND.

>> CORRECT. >> ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

>> AYE. >> AYE.

>> PASSES 5-0. DID YOU VOTE.

>> SINCE I MISSED THE BEGINNING OF IT.

YOU DON'T NEED MY VOTE ON IT ANYWAY.

>> PASSES 4-0 THEN. >> THANK YOU ALL.

CONGRATULATIONS YOU GUYS. I'M GOING TO OPEN THE

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