Mar 17, 2022 Historic Preservation Board

[Call to Order]

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>> OKAY, HERE WE ARE. NEW FORMAT AND NEW PROTOCOL.

WE WILL LEARN AS WE GO. BUT, EVERYTHING SEEMS TO BE LAID OUT FOR US REALLY NICELY. WE WILL TAKE IT A STEP AT A TIME. SEE HOW IT GOES.

WE KNOW THAT WE HAVE A QUORUM. THE ONLY PERSON THAT I KNOW OF THAT IS MISSING IS JERRY. HE IS IN PORTUGAL RIGHT NOW.

I GUESS, HE COULD NOT COME BACK JUST FOR THIS MEETING.

ANYWAY, WE'RE GOING TO GET ON WITH IT.

HAVE OUR FIRST OFFICIAL -- HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD MEETING. THE FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS

[Public Comment]

FOR SOME PUBLIC COMMENT. SHE HAS BUSINESS SHE WOULD LIKE

TO TALK ABOUT. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH.

LET ME INTRODUCE MYSELF IF I HAVE NOT MET YOU, SOME OF YOU I HAVE. MY NAME IS MARY JUSTINO.

EMILY PUBLIC INFORMATION OFFICER FOR THE CLAY COUNTY CLERK OF COURT AND CONTROLLERS OVER US.

--OFFICE. I'M GOING TO TELL YOU ALL A LOT OF INFORMATION YOU ALL ALREADY KNOW.

IN FACT, SOME OF THESE FOLKS WERE THE SOURCE FOR SOME OF THE INFORMATION IN THIS PACKET. BECAUSE I DO NOT COME TO YOU THIS EVENING AS A HISTORY EXPERT, MORE OF A HISTORY LOVER. I AM ALSO BLESSED TO NOT ONLY WORK FOR CLERK GREEN BUT TO SUPERVISE.

HE DOES A FANTASTIC JOB AS MOST OF YOU KNOW.

WE HAVE BEEN GROWING AND EXPANDING HER PROGRAMS AND HER RESOURCES THROUGH THE CLERK'S OFFICE.

WELL, I CANNOT ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS BEYOND WHAT IS IN THE PACKET THAT WE WORKED ON FOR YOU TONIGHT.

I AM HERE TO REPRESENT HER AND OUR OFFICE AT THE REQUEST OF THE COUNTY MANAGER. BECAUSE, WE WANT TO PROPOSE AN ADDITIONAL HISTORICAL MARKER. THAT WOULD BE FOR A LOCATION SOMEWHERE IN OAKLEY. THAT WOULD COMMEMORATE AND EDUCATE THE COMMUNITY THERE. ABOUT BRAIN AND FIELD OUTLINE LANDING FIELD AND IN PARTICULAR THE ROLE OF THE BLUE ANGELS.

URING THE 1940S. A STORY THAT WE HAVE BEEN WORKING FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS. TRYING TO GET THIS OUT AS A PART OF THE CELEBRATE CLAY COUNTY HISTORY CURRICULUM AND THE SCHOOL SYSTEM. PART OF THAT, WE HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH THE SOCIAL STUDIE CURRICULUM LEADERS AT THE SCHOOL DISTRICT , WITH ARCHIVES.

IN ORDER TO IDENTIFY HISTORICAL SPOTS.

WITHIN EACH AREA OF THE COUNTY. AT LEAST ONE.

SOME OF THEM HAVE MANY. FLEMING EILEEN, KEYSTONE HEIGHTS, PENNY FARMS. OAKLEAF HAS BEEN A CHALLENGE.

WE FEEL LIKE WE HAVE IDENTIFIED SOME INFORMATION ABOUT BRAIN AND FIELD. AND THE U.S. NAVY.

THERE BLUE ANGELS. ALSO, SPENCER BOMBING RANGE WHICH THAT INFORMATION IS INCLUDED IN HERE AS WELL.

I THINK THAT WOULD BE VERY EYE-OPENING FOR THE COMMUNITY OUT THERE IN THE OAKLEAF AREA. A LOT OF WHO ARE NOT CLAY COUNTY NATIVES. HOW COULD THEY BE? THERE WAS NOT ANYTHING THERE FOR THE MOST PART.OR THE MOST PART, BEFORE OAKLEAF WAS BUILT.

THERE IS CERTAINLY A LONG HISTORY WITH THE US NAVY, MY DAD HIMSELF WAS A U.S. NAVY PILOT WHO FLEW OUT OF THERE.

I LIVED IN FOX MEADOW. SO, THE PLANES CONSTANTLY FLEW OVER MY HOUSE. I AM WELL AWARE OF THE NAVAL HISTORY THERE. OF COURSE AS WE KNOW THAT IS INTO BELLE COUNTY AS MUCH AS WE EMBRACE LOVE AND PROMOTE ALL OF THE WONDERFUL THINGS THEY HAVE GOING ON OUT THERE INCLUDING THE PUSH FOR THE NEW POWMIA MEMORIAL THERE.

WE REALLY COULD USE A SPOT WHERE WE COULD SEND FOLKS.

IN CLAY COUNTY WHETHER IT IS TEACHERS WITH THEIR STUDENTS OR FAMILIES WITH THEIR KIDS. WHERE THERE IS A HISTORICAL MARKER WHERE THEY CAN READ ABOUT THAT MILITARY HISTORY SPECIFIC TO CLAY COUNTY.AND HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING OF THE

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SO, WITH THAT SAID WHAT YOU WILL FIND IN YOUR PACKET YOU HAVE PROBABLY SEEN AS PUBLISHED IN THE PAPER.

IT IS CERTAINLY ONLINE. WE TOOK SOME TIME TO GO THROUGH A SERIES OF GOOGLE MAP AERIALS. ALSO, SHE HAS A COUPLE OF SITES THROUGH THE DEPARTMENT OF DESCENTS AND OTHER MILITARY WEBSITES. WHERE WE FEEL LIKE THE AERIALS THAT WE HAVE USED AS THE BASIS FOR THESE OVERLAPPING MAPS, IS ACCURATE. AS IT TURNS OUT, IF YOU LOOK AT THE RUNWAYS FROM THAT WONDERFUL DIAGONAL AMAZING BRAIN AND FIELD AIRSTRIP, -- IF YOU LOOK AT WHERE SOME OF THOSE RUNWAYS, WHAT THEY ARE NOW UNDERNEATH, ONE OF THEM IS THE OAKLEAF AMENITY CENTER BALLFIELD. SO, THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY THERE. THERE WAS ALREADY A PUBLIC PARKING LOT. A BIG GIANT ACTIVITY FIELD.

BRINGING PEOPLE TO THAT LOCATION.

THERE ARE A COUPLE OF OTHER OPPORTUNITIES.

WHERE OTHER RUNWAYS WERE THAT MIGHT OVERLAP ONTO SOME SCHOOL PROPERTY. WITHIN THE AREA AT ONE OF THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS NEARBY. SO, WE HAVE A COUPLE OF OPTIONS ON WHERE THE SIGN WOULD ACTUALLY GO, FOR SOME REASON THE OAKLEAF DEVELOPER WAS NOT FOR WHATEVER REASON WILLING TO ALLOW US TO PUT IT THERE AT THE FIELD.

I THINK WE WOULD HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO PUT IT AT A NEARBY SCHOOL. SO, I AM JUST HERE TONIGHT TO PROPOSE THIS FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.

I REALIZE YOU HAVE TWO OTHER THINGS ON YOUR AGENDA FOR THIS EVENING INVOLVING HISTORIC MARKERS AT OTHER LOCATIONS.

WE CERTAINLY VALUE THOSE AS WELL.

I JUST WOULD ASK THAT YOU CONSIDER THIS AN ADDITION TO THOSE. I WOULD LIKE TO COMMIT OUR ARCHIVAL RESOURCES INTO THE CLERK'S OFFICE RESOURCES TO ASSIST GOING FORWARD. CANNOT ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS?

-- CAN I ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS? >> DID YOU SAY THERE WAS A

BOMBING RANGE? >> THE SPENCER RANGE.

IT IS NOT ON THE OVERLAYING MAP.

THE ONE BEHIND THAT. A MUCH LARGER PRINT OUT.

YOU HAVE TO TURN IT LONGWAYS. YOU WILL NOTICE AT THE TOP YOU WILL SEE THE BOTTOM OF THE OCTAGON.

IN YOUR LEFT HAND. THE LEFT-HAND IS THE TOP.

THAT INFORMATION MATCHES UP, RANDY, TO THE ARTICLE THAT I FOUND ON THE DEPARTMENT. THERE WAS A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE BOMBING RANGE IN HER ARTICLE THAT I PRINTED FOR YOU.

BUT, THE ONE THAT IS PRINTED FROM THE US ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS JACKSONVILLE DISTRICT GIVES THE MOST UP-TO-DATE INFORMATION ON THE BOMBING RANGE.

SO, I INCLUDED THAT BECAUSE IT IS IN PROXIMITY.

EVEN IF THE MARKERS CONTENT WAS MAINLY ABOUT BRAIN AND FIELD AND THE BLUE ANGELS AND THE NAVY AND THEIR PRESENCE IN OUR AREA DURING WORLD WAR II, I THINK THERE SHOULD AT LEAST B A LINE OR TWO IN THERE ABOUT THE SPENCER BOMBING RANGE.

HAVING GROWN UP IN FOX MEADOW AND THEN YEARS LATER WORKING IN THE NEWS BUSINESS BEFORE THEN COMING TO WORK FOR THE SHERIFFS AND CLERK'S OFFICE. I CANNOT TELL YOU HOW MANY TIMES, WHEN MIDDLEBURG, BRAIN AND FIELD, OAKLEAF, FIRST COAST EXPRESSWAY, WHEN ALL OF THAT WAS BEING BULLDOZED AND UNEARTHED. HOW MANY TIMES WE HAD TO SEND A NEWS CREW OUT THERE BECAUSE SOMEBODY FOUND AN INERT BOMB IN THEIR BACKYARD. OR A CONSTRUCTION WORKER -- DUG ONE UP WITH HIS BULLDOZER. IT USED TO BE A VERY COMMON OCCURRENCE. THANKFULLY, LESS SO NOW THAT THE DEVELOPMENT IS NEARING COMPLETION IN A LOT OF AREAS.

THERE WAS NEVER A SURPRISE, TO ME, HAVING BEEN FROM THAT AREA.

CERTAINLY, MY COLLEAGUES IN THE NEWS BUSINESS WOULD FLY OUT OF THEIR CHAIRS EVERY TIME THEY HEARD THE JACKSONVILLE BOMB SQUAD WAS ON THEIR WAY OFF A BRAIN AND FIELD ROAD.

I WAS LIKE, IT WILL BE OKAY. [LAUGHING]

>> DO WE KNOW FOR A FACT ALL OF THE ORDINANCE THEY DROPPED

OUT THERE WAS INERT? >> ONLY THE ONES I AM AWARE OF. THAT WOULD CERTAINLY BE A

QUESTION FOR THE MILITARY. >> I WAS STATIONED AT PINECREST ELECTRONIC WARFARE WHEN I WAS IN THE NAVY AND IT IS ALSO A STRAFING RANGE AND BOMBING RANGE.

THEY WERE FINDING LIVE ORDINANCE UP TO FIVE YEARS AFTER THE OPERATION. SO, I AM JUST CURIOUS ABOUT

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THAT. >> MY UNDERSTANDING IS THE BOMB RANGE HAS NOT BEEN USED SINCE TELL ME, RANDY.

40S, 50S? >> PROBABLY.

>> IN REGARD TO THE HISTORIC MARKER MY PROPOSAL IS NOT AFRAID TO BE IN ANY OF THOSE AREAS THAT ARE NOT DEVELOPED OR YOU COULD BE LIKELY TO STUMBLE UPON SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

I THINK A SPOT THAT IS ALREADY DEVELOPED IED AMENITY CENTER FIELD OR A SCHOOL GROUND AREA. WHERE IT WOULD BE EASILY VISIBLE TO PEOPLE ALREADY COMING THEREFORE OTHER ACTIVITIES. ULTIMATELY, THAT IS THE GOAL.

TO BE ABLE TO SEND STUDENTS TO A SITE IN EACH OF THEIR HOMETOWNS.WHERE THEY CAN LEARN SOMETHING ABOUT THE

COMMUNITY THEY LIVE IN. >> OKAY.

WHAT IS IT EXACTLY THAT YOU HAVE IN LINE? AS FAR AS DESIGNATED THIS AS A STATE HISTORIC SITE? STATE HISTORIC MARKER? IS THAT OPTIONAL?

>> I THINK THAT IS OPTIONAL. CERTAINLY, WHATEVER THE DESIGNATION DESCRIPTION FEELS APPROPRIATE WILL BE MOST APPROPRIATE AND FIT INTO WHAT YOU ARE DOING IN OTHER PARTS OF

THE COUNTY. >> OKAY.

>> THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH. >> THANK YOU, I APPRECIATE IT.

[INAUDIBLE] I WOULD LOVE TO COMMIT THE ARCHIVES TO THAT.

I WOULD CERTAINLY WORK WITH ARCHIVE SPECIALIST, GARRICK.

I KNOW YOU HAVE ALL WORKED WITH HER IN THE PAST AND AT THE VERY LEAST SHE HAS HAD A LITTLE BIT OF A ROLE IN BEING A BIT OF A FACT CHECKER AT SOME POINT. [LAUGHING]

>> AT THE VERY LEAST. >> WITH THIS, IF YOU KNOW, SHE IS A NAVY BRAT LIKE ME. WE CALL OURSELVES THAT.

I THINK IT IS A PROJECT THAT IS NEAR AND DEAR TO OUR HEARTS THAT WE WOULD ENJOY WORKING ON FROM SCRATCH.

NOT JUST IN THE LATER STAGES. WE WOULD BE ABLE TO COMMIT TIME AND RESOURCES TO IT. YES MA'AM?

>> IN ADDITION TO HAVING SOME KIND OF A MARKER, -- WOULD YOU ALSO WANT TO FOCUS ON THE BLUE ANGELS? IN READING THE ONE PARAGRAPH HERE IT SAYS A LOT OF THIS -- A LOT OF THEIR TRAINING WAS YOU KNOW, NOT KNOWN.

>> AT THE TIME, YES. >> YOU WOULD PROBABLY WANT TO

HIGHLIGHT THAT. >> ABSOLUTELY.

THAT WAS THE WHOLE IDEA FROM WHAT WE HAVE HEARD AND READ.

EDUCATING ME, QUITE FRANKLY. THAT WAS WHAT MADE THIS LOCATION PERFECT FOR THEM. NAS JACK'S WAS WELL KNOWN.

HIGH VISIBILITY EVEN IN THOSE DAYS.

THEY COULD FLY INTO THIS LOCATION IN THE MIDDLE OF NOWHERE, CLAY COUNTY, MIDDLEBURG.

AND DO THEIR TOUCH AND GOES AND ALL OF THESE MANEUVERS.

NOT ONLY NOT BE SEEN BY THE GENERAL PUBLIC NEARLY AS MUCH, ALSO NOT IN DANGER THE GENERAL PUBLIC NEARLY AS MUCH.

THAT WAS THE BEAUTY OF IT. WHAT I LOVE ABOUT THESE OVERLAY MAPS IS THE UNIQUENESS OF THE ACTUAL RUNWAYS.

I HAVE LIVED ON A LOT OF NAVY BASES AND I HAVE NEVER SEEN A RUNWAY LIKE THIS. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE OVERLAY MAPS OVER TIME YOU CAN ALMOST SEE WHERE ROADWAYS TOOK THEIR TURN. OVER THE YEARS.

I REALLY LIKE THE IDEA OF OPENING THE EYES OF STUDENTS.

TO THAT HISTORY AND MAYBE SPARK SOMETHING IN THEIR IMAGINATION ABOUT AVIATION. AS MANY OF YOU KNOW THAT IS THE FOCUS OUT AT OAKLEAF HIGH SCHOOL THAT IS WHY THEY HAVE THE AIRPLANE IN THE FRONT YARD. ALREADY AS A SCHOOL AND A SCHOOL SYSTEM THEY ARE KEYING IN ON THAT AVIATION HISTORY.

THEIR CONNECTION AND THEIR PROXIMITY TO CECIL FIELD.

THEY HAVE A TON OF MILITARY FAMILIES LIVING IN THAT AREA.

I THINK IT IS A GOOD FIT. I HAD A NEIGHBOR THAT JUST SOLD HIS HOUSE I LIVE OFF OF OLD JENNINGS.

I NOTICED HIS TRUCK HAD A BLUE ANGELS LICENSE PLATE ON THE FRONT. THEY JUST MOVED TO ANOTHER BASE THEY GOT REASSIGNED ABOUT SIX MONTHS AGO.

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I ASKED HIM IF HE KNEW AND HE WAS ACTUALLY A MECHANIC WHO WORKED PREVIOUSLY FIRST QUADRANT IN PENSACOLA.

HE SAID HE HAD NO IDEA. I SAID, YOU LITERALLY LIVE A MILE FROM WHERE THIS RUNWAY WAS LOCATED.

IT WAS MIND BLOWING FOR HIM. I LOVE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR OTHER MILITARY FAMILIES TO HAVE THAT EXPERIENCE.

IF IT LEADS TO THEM AND THEN WANTING TO EXPLORE OTHER HISTORICAL SITES IN THE COUNTY, ALL THE BETTER.

I WILL TELL YOU, THAT IS THE GREAT PARTNERSHIP WE ARE FORMING WITH THE COUNTY'S TOURISM OFFICE KIMBERLY MORGAN AND ALSO THE SOCIAL STUDIES CURRICULUM LEADERS AT THE SCHOOL SYSTEM. YOU GUYS WILL BE SEEING SOME CONTENT COMING OUT IN THE CLAY TODAY NEWSPAPER FOR CLAY COUNTY HISTORY MONTH, SPECIAL ADDITION.

IT WILL BE CONTENT THAT FAMILIES CAN USE ALL SUMMER LONG TO GO AND VISIT SITES ALL OVER THE COUNTY.

THAT IS THE CONVERSATION THAT REALLY BROUGHT THIS UP WITH THE COUNTY MANAGER. WHERE DO WE SEND FAMILIES TO PHYSICALLY GO TO HISTORIC SITE IN OAKLEAF? IN CLAY COUNTY. NET OVER THE LINE AND TO DO ALL TOWARD CECIL. WHERE CAN YOU GO AND SAY I AM SOMEWHERE HISTORIC?WITHIN THAT AREA.

BECAUSE OF ITS NEWNESS, AS FAR AS DEVELOPMENT GOES.

THIS IS THE IDEA WE CAME UP WITH.

I DO HOPE IT IS JUST A START. WE WOULD LOVE TO HELP MAKE IT

HAPPEN ANYWAY WE CAN. >> THANK YOU.

>> SOUNDS GOOD. ARE YOU GOING TO OFFER SOME

SORT OF PROJECT PROCESS? >> YOU TELL ME WHAT YOU NEED.

IF YOU WILL END UP DISCUSSING -- I SEE THE OTHER TWO ON THE AGENDA. I AM NOT COMPLETELY SURE, WHATEVER DECISIONS THAT YOU WILL MAKE AS FAR AS ONES THAT YOU WOULD ENDORSE MOVING FORWARD WITH, IF YOU WILL COMMUNICATE TO US WHAT YOUR PROCESS IS AND WHAT YOU NEED FROM US WE WILL CERTAINLY DO THAT.

IF IT IS A FORMAL PROPOSAL, A FORMAL LETTER TO THIS BOARD.

WE WOULD BE HAPPY TO DO THAT. AT THAT POINT I WOULD GET SOME MORE INVOLVEMENT IN COMPOSING THIS.

[INAUDIBLE]. FOCUSING IN ON THE DETAILS THAT ARE PRIORITIES TO ACTUALLY HAVE ON THE MARKER.

LIKE ZONING IN ON THAT. AS YOU CAN TELL, I LOVE THIS STUFF SO MUCH I CAN TALK ABOUT IT FOR 30 MINUTES.

[LAUGHING] THE CHALLENGE IS WHITTLING IT DOWN TO WHAT ACTUALLY WILL FIT ON THE SIGN. NOT ONLY WHAT IS ACCURATE BUT MEANINGFUL TO PEOPLE. THEY CAN ALWAYS GO AND FIND ADDITIONAL INFORMATION. WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WHAT IS ON THAT SIGN IS INTERESTING AND CORRECT ENOUGH TO POINT THEM IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. SO, WE WILL GET SOME HELP WITH

THAT AS WELL. >> IF YOUR PREFERENCE IS A STATE MARKER THAN THE TEXT ON THE STATE MARKER, THERE IS A COUPLE OF THINGS YOU NEED TO DETERMINE.

ONE, JUST ON ONE SIDE OR DOUBLE-SIDED STATE MARKER?

THERE ARE SO MANY CHARACTERS. >> SURE.

>> SO MUCH SPACE YOU CAN PUT ON A STATE MARKER.

WE WILL ENTERTAIN WHATEVER IDEAS AND PROJECTS CONSTRUCTION

YOU COME UP WITH. >> GREAT.

WE WOULD LOVE ANY GUIDANCE YOU ALL DECIDE TO PROVIDE ON WHAT TYPE OF SIGN. WHAT TYPE OF SIGN YOU THINK IS APPROPRIATE, COUNTY, STATE OR OTHERWISE.

I LOVE THE IDEA OF IT BEING CONSISTENT.

SO, IF I AM APPARENTLY WANTS TO TAKE MY CHILD ON DAY TRIPS IN THE SUMMERTIME, IT LOOKS ORGANIZED AND CONSISTENT DEPENDING. NOT EVERY LOCATION WHO HAS A SIGN IS A PLACE YOU CAN PULL OVER SAFELY.

WE ARE LOOKING FOR LOCATIONS THAT IF I AM A PARENT I CAN, TO THAT LOCATION AND PACK A PICNIC LUNCH.

I AM ONE OF THOSE PARENTS. MAKE A DAY OF IT.

WE ARE LOOKING FOR LOCATIONS THAT ARE THAT KIND OF EXPERIENCE FOR THE PARENTS. THAT IS WHY I WAS THINKING PLACES WITH EXISTING PARKING LOTS WHERE PEOPLE ARE ALREADY

COMING. >> OKAY.

>> THANK YOU SO MUCH. >> THANK YOU.

WE APPRECIATE IT. WE WILL DISCUSS IT.

LET US KNOW WHEN YOU HAVE FURTHER DEVELOPMENTS ON THE SUBJECT. WE WILL TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION

AND DO EVERYTHING WE CAN. >> THANK YOU.

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>> THANK YOU. WITH THAT SAID, SHE TOLD US

[Approval of Minutes]

MINUTES? >> I HAVE SOME CORRECTIONS.

DO YOU WANT ME TO READ THEM OUT?

>> GO AHEAD. >> THE MINUTES APPEAR ON PAGES THREE AND FOUR OF THE AGENDA. I AM LOOKING AT NUMBER THREE ITEM NUMBER THREE MIDDLEBURG COLORED SCHOOL UPDATES.

THE FIRST BULLET UNDER THERE SAYS.

DEIDRE MURPHY. DEIRDRE MURPHY -- IN THE SECOND LINE UNDER THAT SAME BULLET, THEY REPACKED THIS.

IT SHOULD BE THEN, REPACKED. IN THE LINE THAT TALKS ABOUT VOLUNTEERS FROM CSO SPAN TIME ON MARTIN LUTHER KING DAY WORKING ON THE SITE AND STORAGE AREA WILL BE AVAILABLE.

REPLACE THE STORING WITH PARTS. AND FOLLOWING COLLECTION AT THE END OF THE SENTENCE ADD THAT DO NOT REQUIRE ENVIRONMENTAL

CONTROLS. >> I WAS NOT FOR THE LAST MEETING SO I DO NOT KNOW WHO TOOK THE MINUTES.

WILL YOU BE ABLE TO SEND THAT TO THEM?

>> I HAVE ALREADY SENT THAT TO BETH.

SHE IS GETTING INTO THE PROPER CHANNELS BUT, ASKED ME TO BRING THE DETAILS HERE. THERE IS A LINE THAT BEGINS, COURT AND THE COUNTY ARCHIVES HAS DONATED PACKING MATERIALS AND PROTECTIVE GEAR. AND AT THE TIME OF.

PACKING, MOVING AND CONSULTING ON PROPER STORAGE OF THE MUSEUM COLLECTION. I HAVE THESE WRITTEN IF YOU WOULD LIKE A COPY OF THEM. BULLET NUMBER FOUR, TALKING ABOUT.

IT SAYS SHE WILL ALSO AID WITH THE PACKING OF COLLECTION AND WE HAVE ALREADY SAID THAT IN THE PREVIOUS BULLET.

ANY QUESTIONS? >> IS THAT IT?

>> OF MY CORRECTIONS, YES. >> OKAY.

ANYBODY ELSE? COMMENTS ON THE MINUTES OF THE LAST MEETING? I JUST WANT TO MAKE A STATEMENT. CONCERNING ITEM NUMBER FIVE.

THE MUSEUM HOURS. THE HISTORIC SOCIETY HAS MET.

THE CLAY COUNTY HISTORIC MUSEUM IS NOT OPEN JUST ON THE FIRST AND THIRD SUNDAY IT IS OPEN ON EVERY SINGLE SUNDAY OF THE MONTH. THERE WILL BE A BOARD MEMBER AND A VOLUNTEER AND POSSIBLY 1/3 MEMBER.

BECAUSE, WE MAY BE EXPANDING THE VISITATION OF THE HISTORIC TRIANGLE. TO INCLUDE THE HISTORIC COURTHOUSE. WE ARE NOT SURE HOW THAT IS GOING TO PROCEED. IF WE ARE GOING TO PROCEED WITH THE COURTHOUSE OR ANYTHING ELSE.

AT THIS TIME, WE ARE OPEN EVERY SUNDAY.

WE WILL ENTERTAIN SPECIAL TOURS.

-- FOR FAMILY GATHERINGS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

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THE OLD JAIL. WHAT HAVE YOU, THE RAILROAD, THE CABOOSE, ALL OF THAT STUFF. THAT WAY PEOPLE FROM OUT OF TOWN CAN ALSO SEE THE HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE OF THE TRIANGLE

OVER THERE.>> ON THE DAYS THAT IT IS OPEN ON SUNDAY WHAT TIME ARE THEY OPEN? IS THERE CONSISTENT TIME?

>> 4:58 PM. -- 2 PM TO 5 PM.

SOMETIMES THAT IS ACCURATE AND OTHER TIMES YOU ARE WITH A GROUP OF PEOPLE THAT ARE SO INTRIGUED BY LOOKING AT THIS HISTORY OF CLAY COUNTY. THAT THEY DO NOT WALK AS FAST AS THEY POSSIBLY COULD AND THEY ARE CHECKING OUT EVERY SINGLE THING IN THE MUSEUM AND EVERYTHING ELSE.

WHICH IS FINE, WE LOVE THAT. WE ARE GOING FORWARD.

ANYTHING WE CAN LOOK AT THAT WE CAN MAKE IMPROVEMENTS ON WE DO.

CURRENTLY WE HAVE SOME LEAKING ISSUES IN THE MUSEUM AGAIN, SO WE ARE GOING TO TAKE CARE OF THAT AND MOVE FORWARD.

THAT IS IT. ANYBODY ELSE SAID ANYTHING ABOUT THEMINUTES THEY WANT TO ADDRESS ? OKAY. AS I STATED EARLIER JERRY IS IN PORTUGAL. I TOLD HIM TO BRING US ALL BACK A T-SHIRT. SO, WE WILL SEE HOW THAT GOES.

OLD BUSINESS. AUGUSTA SAVAGE HISTORIC MAKER.

BETH CARSON WAS GOING TO TALK ABOUT THAT.

[INAUDIBLE]. A VOTE ON THE MINUTES? OKAY. WHO AMENDED THEM?

[INAUDIBLE]. >> I MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE MINUTES WITH THE CORRECTIONS.

>> SECONDED. >> ALL IN FAVOR? ALL OPPOSED? THE MINUTES ARE ACCEPTED.

WITH THE CORRECTIONS. WE CAN NOW MOVE FORWARD.

[1.  Augusta Savage Historic Marker (B. Carson)]

THAT? >> BETH SENT ME SOME INFORMATION. SHE RECEIVED AN EMAIL.

FROM THE COMPANY THAT IS MAKING THE MARKER.

SHE SAID PER OUR CONVERSATIONS WE ARE EXTREMELY BACKLOGGED, A SMALL BUSINESS WITH JUST 14 EMPLOYEES.

WE ARE PUTTING OUR BEST EFFORT FORWARD.

BECAUSE EACH AND EVERY MARKER IS HANDMADE THE STEPS TO COMPLETE IT TAKES TIME. WE TAKE PRIDE IN THE PROCESS AND STEPS TO COMPLETE EACH AND EVERY MARKER.

YOUR MARKER IS THE NEXT TO BE MADE THEREFORE YOUR MARKER WILL SHIP IN 3 TO 4 WEEKS WE APPRECIATE YOUR PATIENCE AND YOUR BUSINESS. I WISH YOU A BLESSED DAY AND A GREAT WEEKEND. THAT WAS MARCH 11.

SO, OUR MARKER SHOULD BE ON THE WAY VERY SOON.

REASONABLY SOON. [LAUGHING]

>> ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU FOR THAT.

[2.  Slim Whitman Historic Marker (J. Allen)]

JOSH? >> I SIGNED UP FOR HELPING WITH THE COPY. I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH CONNIE THOMAS. BEING A NEW BOARD MEMBER I DO NOT KNOW THE PROCESS TO ACTUALLY APPLY FOR THE MARKER.

THAT IS WHERE I NEED SOME HELP FROM THE FOLKS THAT HAVE BEEN HERE FOR A WHILE. COPYWRITING IS PART OF WHAT I DO FOR A LIVING. I'M ALL FOR HELPING WITH THE ACTUAL TEXT. CONNIE AND THE OTHER LADY WHOSE NAME I FORGET AT THE MOMENT, WHO ARE ADVOCATING FOR THE SLIM WHITMAN MARKER THEY HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT IF WHERE THEY WANT TO PUT THIS TECHNICALLY QUALIFIES UNDER THE STATE GUIDELINES. I DO NOT KNOW WHO TO CONTACT IN TERMS OF THE PROCESS. I DON'T KNOW WHO.

I NEED SOME HELP NAVIGATING THAT.

THERE IS SOME 30 YEAR REQUIREMENT.

I GUESS THE PROPERTY HAS TO BE AT LEAST 30 YEARS OLD.

[INAUDIBLE]. >> I BELIEVE IS 50 YEARS OLD.

>> I COULD BE LOOKING AT THE WRONG THING.

I AM A ROOKIE WHEN IT COMES TO THIS STUFF.

IT SAID 30 YEARS FOR WHATEVER KIND OF MARKER CONNIE THOMAS WAS LOOKING AT. I DON'T KNOW HOW TO GET THAT IN FRONT OF THE EYES OF SOMEBODY THAT CAN HELP.

>> I CAN SEND YOU A LINK. THROUGH THE DEPARTMENT OF

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>> ONCE WE HAVE THE LINK FROM THE BOARD PERSPECTIVE, HOW DO WE ACCOMPLISH THE ACTUAL, THE APPLICATION PROCESS?DO WE TASK SOMEONE ON THE PRESERVATION BOARD? I DON'T KNOW. IT STARTED AS A CONVERSATION WITH ME WRITING COPY AND THAT IS EASY TO ME.

I JUST NEED SOME ASSISTANCE IN THE ACTUAL DETERMINING IF IT QUALIFIES AND HOW TO APPLY FOR IT AND THAT SORT OF THING.

THAT IS ALL. >> I KNOW THAT IN KEYSTONE HEIGHTS RECENTLY THEY DID A HISTORICAL MARKER.

WHERE THE OLD AND WAS. -- INN WAS. THE HISTORICAL HERITAGE COMMISSION AT THAT TIME WORKED WITH.

>> I ALSO, DID NOT WANT TO ASSUME THAT RESPONSIBILITY I GUESS. UNLESS THAT IS WHAT THE PRESERVATION BOARD WANTS. I DO NOT WANT TO OVERSTEP.

THE OFFICIAL THING WE TALKED ABOUT AND DISCUSSED WAS FOR ME TO HELP WITH THE COPY. SO, IF I'M DRIVING THE BUS I AM COOL WITH THAT. JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE.

BEFORE I TAKE ANY MORE ACTION. I DO NOT WANT ANYONE TO BE UPSET IF THAT IS NOT THE RIGHT WAY OF DOING IT.

>> I BELIEVE THE LAST MEETING WE DISCUSSED THAT YOU AND SOMEBODY ELSE WERE GOING TO COME UP WITH TEXT FOR THE

MARKER. >> CORRECT.

>> AT THIS POINT, I BELIEVE THAT IS ALL YOU HAVE BEEN

TASKED WITH. >> CORRECT.

THE CONVERSATION TURNED INTO BROADER CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THE WHOLE PROCESS. I DON'T KNOW HOW TO ANSWER THOSE. I JUST NEED SOME HELP FIGURING

OUT HOW TO GET THOSE ANSWERS. >> ARE YOU AWARE OF THE PARAMETERS OF THE TEXT THAT GOES ON THE STATE MARKER?

>> NO. WE TALKED ABOUT THAT.

IF YOU COULD SEND ME WHAT YOU GOT AND I WILL TAKE A LOOK BETWEEN NOW AND OUR NEXT MEETING.

I HAVE NOT FORGOTTEN ABOUT IT BUT I HAVE NOT MADE MUCH PROGRESS. I AM VERY UNFAMILIAR WITH IT.

>> I WILL ALSO GET YOU THE CONTACT INFORMATION FOR THE

GENTLEMAN IN TALLAHASSEE. >> ANYTHING YOU GUYS CAN GET ME TO HELP I WILL TAKE 100 PERCENT UNAPPRECIATED.

>> OKAY. AS FAR AS I KNOW THE LAST I HEARD AS FAR AS THE SLIM WHITMAN, THE STATE HISTORIC MARKER WAS GOING TO BE OUT BY THE SLIM WHITMAN RESIDENCE.

I BELIEVE IT WAS GOING TO BE WITHIN US FOUR FOOT SQUARE SECTION WE DESIGNATED FOR THE MARKERS SPECIFICALLY.

>> I WILL GO BACK TO CONNIE THOMAS AND THE OTHER LADY.

I CANNOT REMEMBER. I WILL GET SOME MORE DETAILS ON THAT. I GUESS THE QUESTION IS IF IT IS HONORING A PERSON I AM NOT SURE IF ANYONE CAN ANSWER THIS, IF WE ARE HONORING A PERSON WHO HAS PASSED AWAY DOES THAT PERSON HAVE TO HAVE PASSED AWAY 30 YEARS AGO? IN ORDER TO PUT THE MARKER UP? OR WOULD THEY HAVE HAD TO BEEN SIGNIFICANT OF THE AREA HISTORICALLY SIGNIFICANT FOR AT

LEAST 30 YEARS? >> THOSE GUIDELINES WILL WEIGH THOSE OUT THOSE ARE STATE GUIDELINES AND EVERYBODY GOES

BY THE SAME SET OF RULES. >> SWEET.

>> OKAY. ARE YOU COMFORTABLE WITH THAT?

>> I AM GLAD. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I WILL LOOK OVER THE GUIDELINES AND DRIVE THE BUS.

IF I NEED HELP I WILL BRING IT BACK.

>> IN THE MEANTIME I WILL GET THE CONTACT INFORMATION FOR

YOU. >> AS LONG AS EVERYBODY IS

OKAY WITH THAT. >> OF COURSE.

OKAY, NOW MOVING ON TO THE NEW BUSINESS.

[1.  Evaluation and Appraisal Report and 2040 Historic Preservation Element (M. Jung)]

>> YES. IT WAS PUT WITH MY NAME.

I DID MENTION THE MATERIALS THAT WERE INCLUDED AS A PART OF THE AGENDA. IF EVERYBODY SAW THE AGENDA ITEMS THAT THERE WAS A LINK -- A FEW LENGTHY DOCUMENTS.

ABOUT 83 PAGES TOTAL. THOSE PAGES WERE ATTRIBUTED TO ME. LAST MEETING I PASSED OUT A HANDOUT. THAT HAD TO DO WITH CERTIFIED LOCAL GOVERNMENT. IT WAS BASED ON THE MATERIALS OF THOSE 83 AUDIT PAGES YOU FIND ATTACHED TO THE AGENDA.

I FOUND WHEN I WAS GIVEN A COPY OF THE COUNTY ORDINANCES, THE 56 PAGES AT THE END, -- I DID NOT FIND MUCH TO HANG ONTO IN A

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HOW WE DO IT. WHAT THE LIMITS ARE.

WHO WE TALK TO. THAT KIND OF THING.

I CONTINUED TO RESEARCH. I FOUND THIS HISTORIC PRESERVATION ELEMENT. WHICH IS MENTIONED UNDER NEW BUSINESS. DID ANYBODY HAVE A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THAT? IT IS ACTUALLY A NARRATIVE.

YOU CAN PROBABLY EXPLAIN BETTER THAN I CAN.

THIS IS PART OF THE 20/40 PLANNING.

THAT THE COUNTY GOES THROUGH. SO, THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION ELEMENT AND THEN THE SMALL SECTION WHICH IS CALLED INTRODUCTION, THOSE APPLY TO US.

THIS GAVE ME ENOUGH BACKGROUND IN OUR DUTIES.

AND ALSO IN THE HISTORY WHERE IT CAME FROM.

I ALWAYS WONDERED ABOUT OUR MISSION STATEMENT AS A GROUP, THE ONE ON THE WEBSITE. HERE, ON THE FIRST PAGE WHICH IS NUMBER 367, THE FIRST PAGE, HISTORIC PRESERVATION ELEMENT UNDER PURPOSE OF THE REPORT. CLAY COUNTY HISTORIC PRESERVATION ELEMENT IS DESIGNED TO PROTECT THE HISTORICAL RESOURCES WITHIN JURISDICTION AGAINST ADVERSE IMPACT AND PROMOTE AWARENESS AMONG CITIZENS AND RESIDENTS OF THE BENEFITS OF PRESERVING SUCH RESOURCES.

IT GOES ON TO OUTLINE THE HISTORY.

THAT REALLY STARTED OUT WITH CLAY COUNTY, NOT CLAY COUNTY, WITH FLORIDA BEING A LEADER IN THE AREA OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION. CLAY COUNTY CAME ALONG WITH THAT. I BELIEVE IT WAS 1999, ACHIEVED THE CERTIFIED LOCAL GOVERNMENT STATUS.IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THE STATE. ALSO, IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. IT IS NOT UP TO US AS INDIVIDUALS TO HAVE AN OPINION. THAT BUILDING LOOKS OLD, IT SHOULD BE PRESERVED. THERE ARE CERTAIN PROFESSIONAL PROCESSES. THAT ARE EXCRUCIATINGLY DETAILED. THAT SHOW WAS EXACTLY HOW TO DO, WHEN TO DO IT, WHAT WE NEED TO BE DOING, IN FACT I FOUND TO MY SHOCK AS WE ARE PACKING UP BLACK HISTORY MUSEUM IN MIDDLEBURG, I FOUND A LITTLE HANDOUT.

ONLY A FEW PAGES. ON HOW TO CLEAN ITEMS. -- IN A SMALL MUSEUM. I HAD NO IDEA THAT THERE ARE RULES UPON RULES. RULES UPON RULES FOR CLEANING GLASS. BECAUSE, WE ARE NOT JUST CLEANING AN OLD BOWL, IT HAS A HISTORICAL MEANING ETC. ETC.

SO, THOSE ARE PART AND PARCEL OF WHAT WE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING. I THOUGHT IT WAS IMPORTANT THAT WE KNOW THAT HISTORIC PRESERVATION AND CLAY HAS ALWAYS PRECEDED NOT JUST FROM THE BOARD HERE, HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD BUT THAT A WHOLE RAFT OF PEOPLE STARTED MIDDLEBURG HISTORICAL SOCIETY AND ORANGE PARK HISTORICAL SOCIETY. IN GREEN COAST SPRINGS.

ALL OF THESE GROUPS HAVE CONTINUED THIS EFFORT.

THIS EFFORT TO IDENTIFY, PROTECT, AND PRESERVE.

NOT JUST DOCUMENTS AND STORIES BUT ALSO HISTORICAL SITES.

IT IS INCUMBENT IN MY READING OF THIS, THAT WE WORK WITH ALL OF THESE ORGANIZATIONS TO EDUCATE OURSELVES.

HOW CAN WE GO INTO A LITTLE MUSEUM AND NOT DESTROY THINGS AS WE ARE PACKING THEM UP? HOW CAN WE MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE OBSERVING COMMONLY ACCEPTED STANDARDS? FOR HOW THINGS ARE DONE. THIS GIVES A GREAT SUMMARY OF WHAT IS GOING ON AND IT IS PROBABLY MORE DETAIL THAN SOME OF US NEED TO KNOW. WE WANT TO FIND OUT THE ADVANTAGES. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT SLIM WHITMAN. THAT IS A PRIVATELY OWNED SITE.

UNLIKE, MIDDLEBURG COLLEGE SCHOOL, PUBLIC SITE.

THEY HAVE DIFFERENT REQUIREMENTS.

WE NEED THE COOPERATION OF THE OWNERS, THE PROPERTY OWNERS.

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IT IS ALWAYS A GROUP EFFORT. I REALLY LIKE THE WAY MARY JUSTINO PRESENTED THE IDEA OF THE BLUE ANGEL PROJECT.

WE HAVE BEEN WORKING TOGETHER ALL THIS TIME.

I THINK THAT IS KEY TO OUR PROCESS.

SO, AND OFFERING ALL OF THESE MATERIALS FOR YOUR READING PLEASURE WOULD LIKE TO GET TO THE POINT WHERE WE ALL HAVE A SHARED UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT IT IS WE DO.

HOW WE DO IT AND WHY WE DO IT AND IF WE DO NOT KNOW WHAT WE ARE DOING JUST AS JOSH HAS DONE SO WELL HERE, WE ASKED THE QUESTION. WHO CAN TELL ME? OFTEN IT IS A NUMBER OF PEOPLE WITH DIFFERENT POINTS OF VIEW.

I THINK THAT IS THE WAY WE CAN PROCEED EFFECTIVELY TOGETHER.

>> I WILL JUST JUMP IN AND SHARE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SECTION THAT THE HISTORIC PORTION OF IT HAS.

THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS MANDATED BY THE STATE AND EVERY COUNTY AND EVERY LOCAL MUNICIPALITY HAS TO HAVE A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. IT IS TO HAVE CERTAIN ELEMENTS, THAT HISTORIC PRESERVATION ELEMENT IS ONE OF THOSE.

ATTRIBUTE TO ALL OF THE REST OF THE COUNTY OPERATIONS.

MEANING, WE SHOULD ALL BE AWARE OF AND KEEPING THOSE THINGS IN MIND. I HAVE A PRESENTATION FOR YOU NEXT, THAT DEALS WITH THE DIRECT PART OF THE CODE.

THAT I THINK YOU ARE LOOKING FOR.

THAT OUTLINES EXACTLY WHAT THE BOARD'S DUTIES AND RESPONSIBILITIES ARE. WE WILL GO THROUGH THAT IN JUST A MINUTE. I JUST KIND OF WANTED TO BREAK THOSE TWO APART. THE COMP PLAN IS VERY IMPORTANT FOR YOU TO KNOW AND KNOW WHAT IS IN THAT.

THAT IS CERTAINLY A PART OF WHAT YO ARE DEALING WITH AS A BOARD. IT IS NOT YOUR FIRST GUIDING ROLE OF WHAT YOUR ROLES ARE BUT IT IS CERTAINLY VERY GOOD INFORMATION FOR EVERYBODY TO HAVE.

GLAD YOU HAD THAT. >>.

[INAUDIBLE]. >> WHAT ARE YOU PROPOSING THAT WE DO? THAT WE READ AND STUDY THE COPY? A COPY OF THE DOCUMENT THAT YOU HAVE? PUT IT INTO SOME SORT OF BLOCK DIAGRAM PROCESS. OF EXACTLY HOW WE GO FORWARD WITH THE DIFFERENT PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE COME UP.

IS THAT SOMETHING YOU ARE GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT?

>> AS FAR AS HAVING A STRUCTURE OF WHAT YOUR STEPS ARE, THAT IS REALLY IN THE PRESENTATION.

THAT ELEMENT THAT SHE HAS BROUGHT FORWARD IS SOMETHING FOR YOU ALL TO REFER TO. IT IS KIND OF THE OVERALL GUIDING PRINCIPLES, KINDA. CERTAINLY REFER BACK TO IT

WHENEVER YOU NEED TO.>> OKAY.

[2.  Historic Preservation Board Responsibilities and Duties (B. Carson)]

YOU CAN GIVE US THE RESPONSIBILITIES AND DUTIES.

WAS THAT YOU ARE YOU? >> THAT WAS ME.

>> OKAY. >> A MOMENT.

THE HISTORIC COMMISSION WAS ORIGINALLY STARTED IN THE 1970S. THE BOARD ITSELF WAS CREATED AND 94. THEY WERE MERGED IN 2011.

ARTICLE 12 INCLUDES THE ACTUAL ORDINANCE.

THAT WE ARE GOING TO GO THROUGH TONIGHT.

WHICH I WAS TALKING ABOUT. THE ACTUAL OPERATION OF THE BOARD ITSELF. THE BOARD MEMBERS ALL SERVE A BOARD COLLECTIVELY AS AN ADVISORY BODY TO THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS. EVERYBODY HAS BEEN APPOINTED.

SERVES TO REPRESENT. THE BOARD.

THERE ARE MANY RESPONSIBILITIES.

BEAR WITH ME. STARTING OUT, MAINTAINING RELATIONSHIPS WITH INDIVIDUALS, HISTORIC SOCIETIES, LOCAL GOVERNMENT AND OTHER GROUPS WHO HAVE INTEREST IN CLAY COUNTY'S HISTORY. SEEK OUT AREAS TO COLLABORATE

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ADVANCE REQUEST FROM THE COMMUNITY FOR ASSISTANCE WITH HISTORIC PROJECTS. WHEN A MEMBER'S JUDGMENT OF THAT PROJECT HAS MERIT. SO, WHAT YOU SAW TONIGHT IN ACTION. TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS FOR DESIGNATION OF HISTORIC DISTRICTS, LANDMARKS AND SITES. BASED ON THE CRITERIA IN ARTICLE 12. ONCE A SITE IS DESIGNATED THE BOARD IS RESPONSIBLE FOR ADMINISTRATING, ADMINISTERING CERTIFICATE OF APPROVAL. ACTIVITIES SUCH AS CONSTRUCTION, RESTORATION, RELOCATION, STABILIZATION, DEMOLITION, ECONOMIC HARDSHIPS, THOSE ARE ALL SPELLED OUT IN THE ARTICLE AS WELL. GOING ON TO ADVISE THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS ON MATTERS RELATED TO HISTORIC PRESERVATION. TO PROPOSE AND RECOMMEND TO THE BOARD FINANCIAL AND TECHNICAL INCENTIVE PROGRAMS. TO REQUEST GRANT ASSISTANCE THROUGH THE BOARD FROM THE STATE, FEDERAL OR PRIVATE RESOURCES.

TO COLLECT RANGE, PUBLISH AND PRESERVE HISTORIC MATERIAL AND DATA. WHICH WE HAD A RECENT PROJECT WITH THE SCHOOL. TO EDUCATE OWNERS AND THE GENERAL PUBLIC ON THE BENEFITS OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION.

AND ALSO ON STATE, FEDERAL, AND LOCAL LAW REGARDING PROTECTION OF HISTORIC RESOURCES. I PROMISE THIS IS MY LAST SLIDE. TO REVIEW ALL NOMINATIONS FOR THE HISTORIC REGISTER AND HISTORIC -- NATIONAL REGISTER OF HISTORIC PLACES. TO IDENTIFY MONUMENTS, TABLETS OR MARKERS, LOCATIONS WERE EVENTS OF HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE HAVE OCCURRED IN COOPERATION WITH MINUTES APOLOGIES OR HISTORICAL SOCIETIES.

-- REPRESENT THE COUNTY AND HISTORIC EDUCATION EDUCATIONAL MEETINGS WORKSHOPS OR CONFERENCES.

THAT YOU MAY GO TO TO SEEK EXPERTISE ON MATTERS REQUIRING EVALUATION BY PROFESSIONAL OR DISCIPLINE THAT IS NOT REPRESENTED ON THE BOARD. AMONG THE BOARD MEMBERSHIP.

ANNUALLY UPDATE THE EXISTING SURVEY AND INVENTORY OF HISTORIC BUILDINGS, AREAS AND SITES.

WHICH SHOULD BE COMPATIBLE WITH THE FLORIDA MASTER SITE FILE.

YES? THAT WAS IT.

>> EXCUSE ME. COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.

BECAUSE, I AM TAKING MINUTES. FIRST OF ALL, IF YOU WOULD SPELL YOUR LAST NAME I WOULD APPRECIATE THAT.

>> SNOELIG. >> WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO SEND ME THOSE POWERPOINT SLIDES? I CANNOT REALLY SEE THAT

APPEAR. >> YOU ARE AT A BAD ANGLE.

[LAUGHING] >> THANK YOU SO MUCH.

>> I WAS GOING TO SAY WHY DON'T I EMAIL THOSE TO EVERYBODY. THEY WILL BE ATTACHED TO THE MINUTES. ANY PRESENTATIONS ARE PART OF THE PUBLIC RECORD. WHEN YOU GET THE NEXT SET OF MINUTES YOU WILL GET COPIES OF IT THERE AS WELL.

I WILL GO BACK TONIGHT AND SEND YOU THE POWERPOINT.

I CAN EMAIL THAT TO EVERYBODY. THAT WILL BE FINE.

DO YOU ALL HAVE A COPY OF THAT ARTICLE 12? YOU MIGHT. I DIDN'T KNOW.

>> IT WAS INCLUDED IN THE AGENDA.

IN THE AGENDA PACKET. >> I DID NOT THINK --.

YES, THAT IS THE ONE. I THINK THERE ARE 56 PAGES, SOMETHING ABOUT. THAT IS YOUR GO TO.

YOUR GO TO DOCUMENT. TELLING YOU YOUR PROCESS.

WHAT YOUR ROLES ARE. I DIDN'T REALIZE THE ENTIRE ARTICLE IS IN THERE. I THINK IT IS SECTION 12 Ã SEVEN. -- 12-7 BEGINNING ON PAGE 12 Ã 6. FROM THERE, READ THROUGH CAREFULLY.

IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON PROCEDURE THAT IS REALLY WHERE WE WILL ALL GO TO FOR THE ANSWER.

AS TO WHAT YOUR ROLE IS AND HOW YOU CARRY THAT OUT.

>> THAT WAS FOR ME BY THE WAY I REQUESTED THAT I WAS VERY CONFUSED ABOUT A LOT OF THINGS. THAT WAS VERY HELPFUL I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU. NOW I HAVE THE FULL SOURCE MATERIAL TO GO BACK AND READ ALSO.

THANK YOU. I LIKE THE LINE ABOUT COLLECTING DATA AND PRODUCING MATERIAL.

IT SEEMS LIKE THE BOARD HAS HAD A GOOD HISTORY OF DOING THE MARKERS AND WE SHOULD CONTINUE TO DO THAT.

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I JUST WANT TO HELP. THAT IS THE THING THAT MAKES ME THE MOST EXCITED ABOUT SOME OF THAT STUFF.

ANYWAY, THANK YOU. VERY LONG-WINDED THANK YOU.

>> I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT CERTIFIED LOCAL GOVERNMENTS.

I SUMMARIZED A COUPLE OF PAGES OF THAT.

WHAT HAPPENS BECAUSE WE ARE A CERTIFIED LOCAL GOVERNMENT AND HOW IT AFFORDS US MANY OPPORTUNITIES.

MANY OPPORTUNITIES TO CALL ON THE RESOURCES THAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT. PROFESSIONALS, FOR EXAMPLE IN ARCHITECTURAL HISTORY AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

SO, DO YOUR SLIDES INCORPORATE SOME OF THE INFORMATION AS WELL AS A CERTIFIED LOCAL GOVERNMENT?

>> NO. IT ISN'T SOMETHING THAT THE DETAILS OF WHICH I AM TRULY FAMILIAR WITH.

I HAVE HEARD AND I UNDERSTAND THE TERM.

IT IS NOT SOMETHING I WORK WITH ON A REGULAR BASIS.

I CANNOT SAY THE BENEFITS OF HOW YOU UTILIZE IT DIRECTLY.

I CAN CERTAINLY GET THAT INFORMATION AND BRING IT BACK

TO YOU. >> I WAS WORKING WITH THE PERSON AT THE STATE WHO MANAGES THE HIGH LOCAL GOVERNMENT.

THESE PROGRAMS. I CREATED A TWO-PAGE SUMMARY THAT RELATED TO US. SHE SAID IT WAS A FAIR REPRESENTATION. I WILL MAKE SURE I SEND YOU A

COPY OF THAT. >> THAT WOULD BE GREAT.

THAT IS A GOOD STARTING POINT FOR ME.

I CAN TAKE IT FROM THERE AND GET BACK TO YOU.

ANY RESOURCES THAT YOU CAN CAPITALIZE ON AND LEVERAGE TO

YOUR WORK IS WORTH EXPLORING. >> HOW DO WE FIND OUT WHAT EXACTLY WE HAVE AVAILABLE AND FUNDING?

-- IN FUNDING? >> THAT IS IN THE BUDGET EVERY YEAR. WHICH IS ONLINE.

>> OKAY. >> WE CAN GET YOU A COPY.

>> SOMETHING ONLINE WILL LET US KNOW HOW MUCH WE HAVE AVAILABLE IN FUNDING. ONE TIME, A COUPLE OF YEARS BACK WE WENT THROUGH A COUPLE OF.

IF TIMES WERE WE DID NOT USE THE ALLOTTED MONEY.

IT WAS LIKE, GOSH DARN. WE HAD PLACES WE NEEDED TO DESIGNATE. WE NEED TO START MOVING ALONG

WITH THAT. >> ABSOLUTELY.

YES, YES. >> ONE OF THE ADVANTAGES OF BEING A CERTIFIED LOCAL GOVERNMENT IS THAT WE CAN GET AWARDS UP TO A THOUSAND DOLLARS FOR SINGLE-SIDED MARKERS.

UP TO $1165 FOR DOUBLE-SIDED MARKERS.

IN OTHER AREAS, PLANNING, SURVEYS, MAKING A NOMINATION FOR THE NATIONAL HISTORIC REGISTER, AND THOSE AREAS WE CAN GETUP TO 50,000 DOLLARS. WE CAN USE THE FUNDS ARE SET ASIDE BY THE STATE FOR CERTIFIED LOCAL GOVERNMENT

PROJECTS. >> WOULD IT BE THE PROCEDURE FOR EITHER THE CHAIR OR A MEMBER OF THE HISTORIC COMMITTEE HERE?TO THEN GO TO THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS.

THEN, ASK FOR THE ADDITIONAL FUNDS.

WHAT IS THAT PROCESS? >> TYPICALLY IF THE BOARD HAS A PROJECT THAT IS GOING TO INCORPORATE FUNDING, IF IT IS BEYOND WHAT YOU ARE ALREADY STRUCTURED FOR AND WITHIN YOUR BUDGET, THERE IS DEFINITELY A PPROCESS.

YOU WOULD CERTAINLY GO TO THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS.

THEY ARE YOUR RESOURCE. KIND OF OUTLINE NOT PROGRAM.

I CAN GET YOU MORE SPECIFICS ON HOW THAT WORKS.

TYPICALLY, IT IS SOMETHING THAT IS OUTSIDE OF YOUR BUDGET WILL GO THROUGH THE BUDGET SOMEWHERE.

WHETHER THEY DECIDE TO MAKE IT SOMETHING THAT GOES ONTO THE NEXT CALENDAR YEAR. OR THEY DECIDED HAS AN IMMEDIACY AND IT NEEDS TO BE A CASE WHERE THEY SHIFT MONEY FROM ONE ACCOUNT TO ANOTHER. THERE IS THE FINANCE AND AUDITING WHICH IS THE FUNDING PART OF THE BOARD'S ACTION AND SOME MATTERS RELATED TO MONEY. THEY WILL GO TO THOSE MEETINGS.

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>> THANK YOU. I AM REALLY NEW TO THE BOARD.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE DOING THINGS AND

APPROPRIATE WAY. >> NO PROBLEM.

[3.  Selection of Meeting Date and Time (B. Carson)]

>> LET'S SEE. SELECTION OF MEETING DATE AND TIME. WOULD THIS BE YOU AS WELL?

>> IT IS. [LAUGHING] I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I GET MY NOTE ON MY FOLLOW-UPS TO YOU WHILE IT IS IN MY MIND. REGARDING MEETINGS GOING FORWARD WE HAVE CHECKED WITH THE AGENDA KEEPER FOR THE CALENDAR OF THE ROOM. YOU HAVE SEVERAL OPTIONS.

THE FIRST THURSDAY OF EVERY MONTH IS AVAILABLE.

THE FIRST WEDNESDAY OF EVERY MONTH IS AVAILABLE.

THE SECOND WEDNESDAY OF EVERY MONTH IS AVAILABLE.

PI KNOW IT STARTED OFF WITH 1/3 THURSDAY WHICH I THINK IS TONIGHT. MANY OF THE MONTHS FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE YEAR ARE AVAILABLE FOR THAT NIGHT BUT NOT -- THERE ARE THREE MONTHS WERE IT WOULD NOT BE AVAILABLE, APRIL, JUNE AND AUGUST. SO, IF YOU DO WANT TO HAVE THE SAME NIGHT EVERY MONTH, -- THEN YOUR CHOICES ARE THE FIRST THURSDAY, FIRST WEDNESDAY OR THE SECOND WEDNESDAY.

IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO STAY WITH THE THIRD THURSDAY, WE CAN DO THAT FOR MAY, SEPTEMBER, OCTOBER, AND NOVEMBER.

THE OTHER MONTHS WE WILL NEED TO HAVE A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT DATE THAT MONTH. BY THE TIME NEXT YEAR ROLLS AROUND WE GET A LITTLE EARLIER, HOPEFULLY WE CAN MAKE IT.

THE THIRD THURSDAY OF EVERY MONTH.

FOR THE REST OF THIS YEAR IT IS PRETTY BOOKED OUT ON CERTAIN DAYS. SO, THOSE ARE THE THREE OPTIONS. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE TO

EVERYONE? >> I CANNOT DO WEDNESDAYS AT ALL. THAT IS JUST FOR ME.

>> THE FIRST THURSDAY OF THE MONTH WORKS FOR ME.

>> ME TOO. >> EVERYBODY GOOD WITH THAT?

>> CAN WE MAKE IT THE FIRST THURSDAY OF EVERY MONTH?

>> I SECOND THAT. >> WE HAVE A MOTION FOR THE FIRST THURSDAY OF EVERY MONTH AND A SECOND.

ALL IN FAVOR OF THE FIRST THURSDAY OF EVERY MONTH SAY

AYE. >> AYE.

>> ALL OPPOSED? OKAY, GOOD WITH YOU?

>> I HAVE ONE SUGGESTION AND ONE QUESTION.

THE SUGGESTION HAS TO DO WITH MOTIONS.

JUST FOR THE RECORD KEEPING. FOR THE FOLKS TAKING NOTES.

I GUESS THIS IS REALLY TO THE CHAIR, WHEN YOU ARE RECAPPING WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND CAN YOU SAY WHO MADE THE MOTION AND THE SECOND. THAT WAY THE MICS WILL PICK THAT UP SO WHEN THEY ARE WRITING OUT THE MINUTES LATER

ON, THEY CAN PUT THAT DOWN. >> OKAY.

>> MICHIGAN DONE TAKING MINUTES WHICH I HAVE BEEN DONE

FOR THREE YEARS? >> YOU HAVE BEEN.

HOWEVER, WITH THE CLERK OF COURT HERE.

>> YOU JUST MADE MY NIGHT. [LAUGHING]

>> I WAS GONNA TELL YOU EARLIER.

I DON'T KNOW IF I SHOULD TELL HER.

>> THANK YOU, I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THIS.

[INAUDIBLE]. BELIEVE ME, YOU ARE NOT STEPPING ON MY TOES. YOU ARE SAVING ME A LOT OF

TIME. >> GOING FORWARD YOU WILL BE

TAKING THE MINUTES. >> YES.

>> OKAY. WITH THAT IN MIND, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY, CARLY, YOU HAVE BEEN AMAZING WITH TAKING THE NOTES AND EVERYTHING ELSE. WITH THE PANDEMIC AND ALL OF THIS OTHER STUFF COMING UP, EVERYBODY'S SCHEDULE HAS BEEN CRAZY.YOU HAVE DONE AN OUTSTANDING JOB TAKING THE NOTES. I APPRECIATE ALL OF YOUR WORK.

>> I AGREE. AS A PERSON WHO WATCHES THE -- MINUTES, SHE IS MUCH BETTER THAN ME.

>> EXCELLENT. >> JUST ONE QUESTION.

YOU HAVE REARRANGED YOUR PLACE? THE PLACE OF MEETING.

THE DATE OF MEETING. IT WILL NOT BE THE FIRST THURSDAY OF EVERY MONTH.-- IT WILL NOW BE THE FIRST THURSDAY

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PREFERENCE? >> I CANNOT DO ANY EARLIER

THAN 6:30 PM. >> I WOULD PREFER 6 PM ABOUT 6:30 PM IF IT WORKS FOR YOU, THEN WE HAVE TO MAKE IT WORK

FOR EVERYBODY. >> I WILL FIGURE IT OUT,.

BUT IT MAKES IT TOUGHER. >> ARE YOU MAKING THE MOTION THAT WE DO 6:30 PM EVERY MEETING?

>> DO WE NEED TO DO A MOTION IF WE ARE KEEPING THE SAME

TIME? >> YOU DO NOT NEED TO.

JUST A CLERICAL THING. SO, THE STAFF KNOWS WHAT TO PUT IN THE AGENDA FOR THE NEXT MEETING AND TO PUT ON THE

CALENDAR. >> SO, 6:30 PM IS USUALLY THE

TIME. >> WILL CONTINUE WITH THAT,

THAT IS FINE. >> EVERYBODY IS GOOD WITH THAT? OKAY.

NOW, NEW BUSINESS DOESN'T NEED TO BE SUBMITTED AS AN ITEM ON NEW BUSINESS BEFORE WE CAN DISCUSS IT? IF WE HAVE ALL OF THE MEMBERS HERE CAN BE DISCUSS IT NOW? IT IS NOT REALLY ANYTHING WE HAVE TO VOTE ON JUST SOME INFORMATION I WOULD LIKE TO PUT OUT THERE AND LET THE BOARD

MEMBERS KNOW. >> IF IT IS JUST INFORMATIONAL, ABSOLUTELY. YOU CAN JUST DISCUSS.

[INAUDIBLE]. >> AT THE BOTTOM WITH COMMISSIONER COMMENTS ANYTHING YOU WANT TO COVER WITH INFORMATION YOU WILL DO THAT AT THE END WITH THE COMMISSIONER

COMMENTS. >> WITH THAT, WE ARE LOOKING TO CONSOLIDATE DIFFERENT MENUS OF INFORMATION PERTAINING TO HISTORY, HISTORIC SOCIETY. THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. THERE ARE DIFFERENT VENUES OF INFORMATION, FACEBOOK, WEBSITES AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

WE ARE GOING TO PUT FORTH AT LEAST WITH THE HISTORIC SOCIETY, -- TO CONSOLIDATE AND PERHAPS PROVIDE LINKS TO OTHER WEBSITES OF SIGNIFICANCE. SO, WE ARE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE. IF WE HAVE A FACEBOOK GROUP OR WHAT HAVE YOU. IF WE HAVE A SMALL SECTION ON THE WEBSITE OR A FACEBOOK GROUP.

CLICK ON THIS LINK TO GO TO THE COUNTY'S WEBSITE.HE HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD OR THE COUNTIES WEBSITE FOR THIS SO THAT WE ARE ALL INTERCONNECTED. ACTING AS ONE.

ANYWAY, JUST PUTTING THAT OUT THERE.

>> OKAY. YOU KIND OF WEAR TWO DIFFERENT HATS. A LITTLE AWKWARD TO SHIFT GEARS. YOU ARE A BOARD AND THEN THE HISTORIC SOCIETY THAT ALL OF YOU ARE ON IF NOT EVERYBODY.

SO, ONE IS REPRESENTING THE COUNTY AND ONE IS A SEPARATE ENTITY. THEY CERTAINLY WORK TOGETHER HAND IN HAND. I WILL FIND OUT WHAT THE ACTUAL POLICY IS ON THAT. UNLINKING AND REFERENCING BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN A COUNTY SITE AND THEN YOU KNOW A PRIVATE ENTITY. WE WILL DEFINITELY GET THAT TOGETHER. THE BOARD HAS ITS OWN WEBPAGE.

YOU ARE LISTED THERE. AMONG THE OTHER BOARDS AND COMMITTEES AND WHAT HAVE YOU. WE WILL SEE IF THERE IS A WAY TO THEN PUT THAT KIND OF A LINK FROM THEM.

FROM THAT PAGE TO THE HISTORIC SOCIETY.

>> I KNOW ORANGE PARK NOW HAS A HISTORICAL SOCIETY AND MIDDLEBURG HAS A HISTORICAL SOCIETY OR A MUSEUM RELATED TO HISTORICAL SOCIETY. I DID NOT KNOW THAT MIDDLEBURG HAD THOUGHT. I DIDN'T KNOW THEY HAD GATHERINGS AND DISCUSSED THE HISTORY OF MIDDLEBURG AND THE MUSEUM OVER THERE AND EVERYTHING.

SO, THE MORE INFORMATION WE CAN SHARE WITH EACH OTHER THAN THE MORE WE CAN ALL BENEFIT FROM THE INFORMATION.

>> I THINK THE SOCIETY CAN PROVIDE A LINK TO THE COUNTY.

THE COUNTY ON THE OTHER HAND HAS TO REPRESENT ALL.

SO, WE CANNOT JUST HAVE A LINK TO JUST ONE ORGANIZATION IF

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SO, LET ME FIND OUT WHAT THE RULES ARE ON THAT PART.

>> THERE IS A PROCESS AND PROCEDURE.

WE ARE WITHIN THE STANDARDS SET FORTH BY THE COUNTY.

THAT WOULD BE FINE. CERTIFICATES OF APPROVAL.

I'M NOT SURE WHAT THAT IS. >> THAT IS A FUNDAMENTAL PIECE OF YOUR DUTIES IN SECTION 12 Ã 7. CERTIFICATES OF PROCESS.

JUST A REALLY ROUGH DESCRIPTION.

IF YOU HAVE A HOUSE THAT IS ON THE HISTORIC REGISTER AND THERE ARE REQUIREMENTS FOR THAT PROPERTY OWNER AND THEY WANT TO MAKE ANY CHANGES THEY NEED TO COME BEFORE YOU AND WE WOULD GET CERTIFICATE OF YOUR APPROVAL TO THOSE CHANGES.

THAT IS THOSE LIST OF ALTERATIONS, DEMOLITIONS, RENOVATIONS AND WHAT HAVE YOU. BECAUSE, YOU DO NOT HAVE ANY STRUCTURES IN THAT PROGRAM, IT IS SOMETHING YOU REALLY HAVE NOT BEEN HISTORICALLY WORKING WITH.

TO DATE. BUT, DEFINITELY, VERY MUCH A PART OF YOUR PROCESS AND IN THE AGENDA, AT THE POINT WHEN YOU DO HAVE STRUCTURES THAT FALL UNDERNEATH THAT CATEGORY THEN IS WHEN THAT WILL COME UP. IF THERE IS AN APPLICANT THAT IS WANTING TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT THEY WOULD COME TO YOU FOR THE REVIEW AND APPROVAL.HAT WOULD BE A PART OF THE AGENDA.

>> WOULD SOMEONE COME FOR APPROVAL OUTSIDE OF THE

HISTORIC DISTRICT? >> I DO NOT THINK SO.

>> YOU HAVE TO HAVE A HISTORIC DISTRICT 1ST AND THEN THEY

WOULD, FOR APPROVAL? >> I AM NOT POSITIVE.

I'VE NOT REALLY READ IN-DEPTH SECTION 12 SEVEN MYSELF.

I DO NOT NORMALLY WORK. >> I AM ON THE HERITAGE COMMISSION FOR KEYSTONE HEIGHTS.

WHICH IS DISTRICT NUMBER FOUR. WE CANNOT MAKE ANY RECOMMENDATIONS WITH REGARD TO HISTORIC SITES.

PRIVATELY OWNED HOMES. UNLESS IT IS IN WITHIN A HISTORIC DISTRICT WHICH WE DO NOT HAVE.

>> OKAY. >> SO, I DID NOT KNOW IF THAT WAS AT THE COUNTY LEVEL OR IF THAT IS JUST WITHIN THE CITY.

>> IS A DESIGNATED HISTORIC LANDMARK OR A DESIGNATED OR HISTORIC DISTRICT. SO, EITHER A LANDMARK OR --.

DISTRICT. >> THAT MAKES SENSE.

THANK YOU. >> GO AHEAD.

>> I AM NOT SURE IF THIS IS RELATED TO THAT BUT THIS IS REMINDING ME OF SOMETHING. HISTORIC DISTRICT OVERLAY.

IS THAT A CONCEPT IN THERE? >> I DO NOT THINK WE HAVE THAT WITHIN THE COUNTY. SOME OF THE CITIES MAY HAVE

THAT. >> I THINK I HAVE SEEN SOME SORT OF DOCUMENT THAT SHOWED THE DISTRICT HISTORIC DESIGNATIONS AND EVERYTHING IN THE COUNTY.

IT WAS KIND OF A COLORFUL MAP. >> THERE IS ONE AND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. IT HAS HISTORIC SITES AND THOSE ARE THE SITES THAT ARE ON THE STATE.

THE STATE INVENTORY. >> OKAY.

>> OF HISTORIC SITES AND RESOURCES.

[INAUDIBLE]. >> I KNEW I SAW SOMETHING LIKE THAT. OKAY, PUBLIC COMMENT.

ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT? >> I DO.

THIS IS A LONG WAYS OFF. I WANT TO PUT THIS OUT THERE.

SO, WE CAN BEGIN TO THINK ABOUT THIS AND AT THE APPROPRIATE TIME PUT THIS ON THE AGENDA. FOUR.RESENT DISTRICT NUMBER - WHICH IS KEYSTONE HEIGHTS. IN 2025 KEYSTONE WILL BE RECOGNIZING AT CENTENNIAL. --IT'S CENTENNIAL.

IT SEEMS LIKE IT IS SO FAR OUT THERE BUT THE TRUTH BE IS THAT EVERYTHING HAS TO BE IN PLACE IN 2024.

SO, IT REALLY ONLY GIVES US TWO YEARS TO DO THAT.SO, I WAS WONDERING HOW AS A HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD WE WOULD

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AND HOW WE WOULD GO ABOUT ADVERTISING THAT, IF YOU WILL, TO THE PUBLIC. AND WHAT OUR ROLE WOULD BE.

I'M NOT REALLY LOOKING AT THIS POINT TO HAVE IT ON THE AGENDA ITEM. JUST SOMETHING FOR US TO THINK ABOUT. CLOSER TO THE END OF THIS YEAR I WOULD LIKE TO PUT IT ON THE AGENDA.REALLY TALK ABOUT IT AND HOW WE COULD HELP THE SMALL COMMUNITY.

THAT ALWAYS SEEMED TO BE FOREGONE.

WE WOULD LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT KIND OF THING HAPPENS.

>> I WOULD LIKE TO PIGGYBACK OFF OF THAT PENNY FARMS IS CELEBRATING ITS 100TH BIRTHDAY IN 2026.

MAYBE WE SHOULD HAVE A PROCESS FOR COLLABORATING.

>> SPIRIT ENTERTAINING THE IDEA OF DEVELOPING A PROCESS FOR HAVING CELEBRATIONS. FOR KEYSTONE HEIGHTS AND SUCH.

KEYSTONE HEIGHTS IS A BEAUTIFUL AREA AND ITS RICH HISTORY AND EVERYTHING ELSE. WHATEVER WE CAN DO TO PROMOTE PEOPLE DOING KEYSTONE HEIGHTS AND ALL THAT.

I'M ALL FOR THAT. THAT WOULD BE EXCELLENT.

ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENTS? ANYBODY?

[Commissioner's Comments]

>> PUBLIC COMMENT IS LITERALLY FOR THE PUBLIC, NOT THE BOARD MEMBER. IT IS FINE.

>> YOU ARE THE COMMISSIONERS. NOT THE PUBLIC.

>> DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING ELSE THAT WE NEED TO ADDRESS OR

TALK ABOUT? >> I JUST HAVE A QUESTION.

MAYBE I SHOULD HAVE BROUGHT THIS UP WHEN YOU'RE GOING THROUGH THE RESPONSIBILITY'S. IN TERMS OF MARY'S PRESENTATION THAT WAS HERE EARLIER WITH THE BLUE ANGELS, TACTICALLY WHAT IS THE NEXT STEP? WE MENTIONED TO HER TO KIND OF COME BACK BUT, WHO? IS IT ON HER TO COME BACK TO THE BOARD? IS THERE AN ACTION THAT WE NEED TO TAKE? IT WAS NOT CLEAR TO ME.

WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN NEXT. >> WE ARE GOING TO BE ASSEMBLING THE INFORMATION FROM THE STATE.

SOME OF IT IS ON THE WEBSITE. I THINK RANDY MENTIONED HE HAS SOME OTHER INFORMATION. THE GUIDELINES FOR HOW THE

APPLICATIONS ARE PUT TOGETHER. >> I UNDERSTAND THAT IS WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT SLIM WHITMAN AND JOSH IS HANDLING THAT. I WOULD LIKE TO BE INVOLVED IN THIS ONE. I AM HAPPY TO TAKE THE LEAD.

I DID NOT CATCH THAT. DO THEY NEED TO COME BACK TO US FROM THE BOARD PERSPECTIVE OR? DO WE DO A SIMILAR APPROACH TO

WHAT JOSH IS DOING WITH SLIM WHITMAN?>> CURRENTLY, IT HAS NOT BEEN A PROJECT THAT WE HAVE ADOPTED.

RIGHT NOW IT IS IN A VERBAL STATE.

WE ARE DISCUSSING IT. HOWEVER, YOU CANNOT GET A TREE WITHOUT PLANTING A SEED. ONCE THE SEED IS PLANTED WHICH IT BASICALLY HAS BEEN, NOW IT WILL EVOLVE WITH IDENTIFYING WHAT THE PROCESS IS. MAYBE EVEN DEVELOP A FLOWCHAR.

ANY OBSTACLES WE HAVE AND THAT KIND OF THING.

RIGHT NOW IT IS VERBAL. I CAN GET A HOLD OF MARY.

ASK HER HOW SHE WANTS TO GO FORWARD WITH THAT AND THE WHOLE NINE YARDS. ONE OF THE THINGS THEY NEED TO DO IS ESTABLISH WHERE THEY WANT ANY KIND OF A MARKER TO BE PLACED. THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF LEGWORK TO BE DONE WITH THE PROJECT

LIKE THIS. >> WHAT I HEAR YOU ASKING IS WHO DOES THAT LEGWORK, US OR THE APPLICANT?

>> WE HAVE NOT APPROVED IT WERE AGREED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH IT IS IT NOW JUST WITH MARY AND --?

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>> SHE IS LOOKING FOR AN OUTLINE ON HOW TO PROCEED, SO WE NEED TO DECIDE HOW TO PROCEED.

THEN, DECIDE IF THAT IS A PROJECT THAT WE WANT TO PURSUE.

IT SOUNDS LIKE RESEARCH, THEN THE NEXT MEETING WE WOULD VOTE ON IF WE ARE GOING TO ACCEPT THAT.

>> YES, THAT WOULD NEED TO BE ADDED TO THE AGENDA FOR THE NEXT MEETING. ONE OF US SPEARHEADING BACK AND SAYING WE THINK IT IS A GOOD IDEA AND PUTTING ON THE AGENDA OR IF WE ARE WAITING FOR YOU KNOW, MARY, TO COME BACK AND TELL US THAT SHE WANTED A CERTAIN WAY.

>> MARY SAID THAT SHE AND HERSELF WERE GOING TO BE INVOLVED IN THE RESEARCH. I THINK IT WOULD BE IDEAL TO HAVE A BOARD MEMBER PARTICIPATE WITH THEM.

THAT WOULD BE THE CONTACT. IN A SIMILAR WAY TO THE WAY I

AM WORKING WITH THE COMMUNITY. >> FOR US, HAVING A BOARD MEMBER PARTICIPATE WITH HER IS THAT SOMETHING WE NEED TO PUT ON THE AGENDA AND VOTE ON THAT WE ARE GOING TO DESIGNATE TO ASSIST WITH THIS? FORGIVE ME IF IT IS A DUMB

QUESTION. >> THAT IS WHAT I AM ASKING.

>> IS AT A PROJECT YOU WOULD LIKE TO GO ON AS PROJECT

MANAGER? >> SO, I SUGGEST THAT WE PUT A MOTION FORWARD.TO HAVE YOU AS A PROJECT MANAGER.

AT THIS EARLY STAGE OF THE PROJECT.

SO, THAT YOU CAN IDENTIFY THE OBSTACLES.

THE WORKAROUND, WORKERS AND ALL OF THAT STUFF.

I THINK IT WOULD BE A GOOD PERSON FOR THAT.

>> NOW THAT WE ARE IN THE MORE FORMAL RULES OF ORDER AND CONTEXT DO WE NEED TO ESSENTIALLY SAY THAT WE WANT TO THAT ON THE AGENDA FOR THE NEXT MEETING THEN VOTE ON THAT AS A BOARD TO DESIGNATE HER AS A PERSON IN CHARGE OF THAT PROJECT? I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE NOT MAKING A DECISION THAT WE DID NOT PUBLICIZE TO THE PUBLIC TO HAVE INPUT ON IT. [LAUGHING] I DO NOT KNOW THE

RIGHT OR WRONG WAY TO DO IT. >> I DO NOT THINK YOU NEED TO HAVE A MOTION TO ASSIGN SOMEONE TO SOMETHING OR TO VOLUNTEER TO TAKE THAT ROLE. YOU ARE GOING TO NEED TO TAKE MOTIONS AND VOTE CERTAINLY WITH ANYTHING TO DO WITH MONEY.

OR TO ACCEPT AN APPLICATION OR TO ACT ON THAT APPLICATION.

SO, IF YOU HAD AN APPLICATION TO BE REGISTERED OR LIKE THE CERTIFICATE PROGRAM WHERE YOU ARE APPROVING OR DENYING THE CHANGE TO A STRUCTURE, FROM THE APPLICANT, THOSE THINGS YOU WILL VOTE ON. JUST FOR CONTINUITY SAKE YOU MIGHT WANT TO VOTE TONIGHT, TONIGHT YOU HAVE VOLUNTEERED TO TAKE ON THAT PRODUCT SO, YOU'RE GOING TO COME BACK.

YOU HAVE SORT OF COLLECTIVELY AGREED AND YOU CAN VOTE TO ACCEPT AND PUT THIS ON THE NEXT AGENDA AND DESIGNATE ONE INDIVIDUAL TO BRING IT BACK -- IN CONCERT WITH THE APPLICANT TO BRING IT BACK TO THE BOARD TO MAKE A DECISION ON WHETHER PYOU ARE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD. IF YOU WERE GOING TO MOVE THE ITEM TO THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS FOR THEIR APPROVAL OR WHATEVER IS THE NEXT RELATIVE STEP.

I WILL THROW OUT A SUGGESTION. IF YOU WANT TO CREATE AN APPLICATION FORM THIS IS CERTAINLY NOT THE FIRST MARKER THAT YOU HAVE CONSIDERED AND IT PROBABLY WILL NOT BE THE LAST, HOPEFULLY NOT. YOU WANT TO ENCOURAGE PUBLIC PARTICIPATION AND YOU DO HAVE A WEBSITE SO IF YOU DO WANT TO MAKE A LITTLE FLOWCHART ON THE APPLICATION FORM AND WE CAN PUT THAT ON YOUR WEBPAGE. YOU KNOW, WITH A LITTLE BLURB THAT SAYS THIS IS THE APPLICATION FORM IF YOU DO WANT TO NOMINATE A PARTICULAR SITE FOR A MARKER.

CLICK HERE. THEN OUTLINE THE PROCESS.

GIVE THEM A FORM. YOU WILL NEED TO WORK OUT WHAT THAT PROCESS IS. DISTILLED DOWN AND EASY TO DISSEMINATE EXPLANATION TO THE PUBLIC.

THAT IS A GREAT WAY TO INTERACT WITH THEM.

>> THAT IS SOMETHING WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE ESTABLISHING A FLOWCHART. IF WE HAVE AN IDEA FOR A PROJECT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, WHAT IS THE NEXT STEP? WHERE DO WE GO FROM HERE, STEP-BY-STEP.

THAT WAY WE CAN FIND OUT IF IT IS GOING TO BE A PROJECT THAT IS GOING TO BE MET WITH APPROVAL OR WITH PUBLIC -- PUBLIC APPROVAL IF IT IS SOMETHING THE PUBLIC WANTS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. AS LONG AS IT EMBRACES THE HISTORY OF CLAY COUNTY I AM ALL FOR IT.

WHATEVER IT IS. >> DOESN'T IT ALSO NEED TO EMBRACE THE GUIDELINES THAT ARE LAID OUT BY THE STATE? HOW TO APPLY FOR HISTORIC MARKERS?

>> WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT HISTORIC MARKERS AT THIS TIME WE ARE JUST TALKING ABOUT CURRENTLY, AN IDEA.

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FLOWCHART. >> I DO NOT THINK THE APPLICATION NECESSARILY HAS TO MAKE THEM WAVE THROUGH THE GUIDELINES. I THINK WE WOULD TAKE THAT AND AND BASED ON THE APPLICATION WE ARE LOOKING AT THIS AND UNFORTUNATELY IT DOES OR DOES NOT MEET, CONGRATULATIONS WE HAVE DECIDED TO DO WHATEVER. LET'S BE HONEST, I DO NOT THINK MOST PEOPLE ARE HISTORY NERDS LIKE US.

I AM EXCITED WHEN YOU GUYS TOLD ME ABOUT GUIDELINES I WAS EXCITED BUT I DO NOT THINK MOST PEOPLE WILL READ THOSE.

THE SIMPLER WE KEEP IT TO GET PEOPLE TO COME AND PARTICIPATE DOES NOT NECESSARILY MEAN WE HAVE TO TAKE ACTION ON

EVERYTHING THAT THEY BRING. >> WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT OUR PROCESS FIRST. THEN WE NEED TO PUT THAT IN WRITING SO THAT WE CAN GIVE THAT TO THE PUBLIC.

WHOEVER IT IS. WHETHER IT IS A HISTORIC MARKER, A PLAQUE OR ANYTHING, SO THAT WE CAN PROVIDE THE GUIDELINES IF YOU WILL. THE NEXT STEPS ON THEIR PART.

>> HAVING GONE THROUGH JUST THE LITTLE BIT OF THE WORK I HAVE DONE ON THE SLIM WHITMAN THING I WOULD SAY IT WOULD BE HELPFUL EVEN TO SOMEBODY LIKE ME WHO IS NEW TO THE PRESERVATION BOARD TO HAVE AN OUTLINE OF WHAT TO DO AND WHERE

TO GO. >> IDENTIFY WHAT THE PROJECT WAS AND WHAT THE OBJECTIVES OF THE PROJECT ARE.

WHETHER IT IS A STATE MARKER OR ONE OF THOSE BROWN OR WHITE SIGNS. WHATEVER IT IS.

ONCE WE ESTABLISH THAT WE KNOW WHAT THE NEXT STEPS ARE.

STEP-BY-STEP. AS LONG AS IT IS A LOGICAL FLOWCHART WE SHOULD NOT HAVE ANY PROBLEMS DEVELOPING A

PROCESS. >> HOW ARE WE GOING TO START DOING THAT? [LAUGHING] WE ONLY MEET ONCE A MONTH. HOW ARE WE GOING TO BUILD THIS? BUILD THIS PROCESS? WHEN WE ONLY MEET HERE ONCE A

MONTH. >> AND A BARE MINIMUM WE SHOULD PUT THIS ON THE -- AGENDA FOR THE NEXT MEETING.

SOME DISCUSSION TIME. DO WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO CALL A MEETING OUTSIDE OF JUST THE NORMAL MONTHLY MEETING OR NO?

>> YOU ARE PRETTY MUCH LIMITED.

THE MEETINGS HAVE TO BE NOTICED AND RECORDED.

THAT MEANS THE STAFF BEING HERE TO DO ALL THAT.

>> SO, WE CANNOT MEET ANY OTHER TOWNS.

[LAUGHING] >> I MEAN JUST MEET HERE WE DECIDED IN AUGUST WE NEEDED TO DO AN EXTRA MEETING DURING THE COURSE OF THE MONTH. I AM NOT SAYING WE WOULD WANT

TO I AM JUST CURIOUS. >> IT IS NOT IMPOSSIBLE.

>> IF IT IS SOMETHING THAT LOOKS LIKE IT IS GOING TO BE A PRETTY BIG PROJECT CAN WE ESTABLISH A COMMITTEE TO WORK ON THE PROJECT SO THERE IS ONLY THREE OR FOUR PEOPLE WORKING ON THE COMMITTEE FOR THAT SPECIFIC PROJECT.

THAT IS SOMETHING WE CAN DO. SOMETHING WE CAN PUT ON THE AGENDA AND TALK ABOUT NEXT MEETING.I SUGGEST IF ANYBODY HAS ANY IDEAS WITH REGARDS TO PROJECT FORM, -- HOW TO START IT, HOW TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE END OF THAT KIND OF STUFF, TAKE SOME NOTES AND PUT THAT DOWN.

THE NEXT MEETING WE CAN TALK ABOUT PEOPLE'S IDEAS.

PROJECTS ARE BORN OF IDEAS AND ALL OF THE STUFF IS HOW WE GET

TO WHERE WE ARE AT. >> ONE POINT ABOUT FLOWCHART AND THINGS LIKE THAT, I HAVE TALKED TO MY CONTACTS AT THE NATIONAL CARB SERVICE. THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF HISTORIC RESOURCES AS WELL. NOBODY IS AWARE OF AN APPROACH TO SUCH PROJECTS WITH FLOWCHARTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. WE MIGHT WANT TO GET FAMILIAR WITH THE STATES DEFINITION OF THE PROCESS.

HOW IT IS LAID OUT THAT WE NEED TO DO THINGS.

A FOOTNOTE ON THE HISTORIC MARKER, NOBODY NEEDS TO GO THROUGH THIS COMMITTEE TO GET A HISTORIC MARKER FOR THEIR PLACE. PENNY FORM STATED.

THERE ARE LOTS OF PEOPLE THAT DID NOT COME THROUGH THIS COMMITTEE THAT DO NOT NEED TO. ANY CITIZEN CAN,.

CAN GO THROUGH THE PROCESS WHICH IS CLEARLY LAID OUT BY

THE STATE. >> ALONG THAT SAME THING I GUESS WHEN WE TALK ABOUT FUNDING, IF A PRIVATE CITIZEN

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MARKER. >> IN THEORY, IF I HAD A SITE AND A MARKER THAT I WANTED TO PLACE, LET ME GIVE A FOR INSTANCE AND MAYBE THIS WILL HELP IF I HAD A SITE AND A MARKER THAT I WANTED TO PLAY SANTA WENT THROUGH THE APPLICATION PROCESS AS A CITIZEN AND IT GETS APPROVED I CAN JUST PAY THE 2000 BUCKS OUT OF MY OWN POCKET.

THEN, THE MOTHER IS THERE. >> I DO NOT KNOW IF THE STATE ALLOWS THAT. IF THE STATE ACCEPTS APPLICATIONS FROM INDIVIDUALS WILL NOT.

>> DID I MISINTERPRET THAT? >> IT IS VERY CLEAR.

[INAUDIBLE]. ANY CITIZEN CAN GO THROUGH THE PROCESS THEY DO NOT NEED TO GO THROUGH THE HISTORIC

PRESERVATION BOARD. >> ONE LAST FINAL WORD ON COMMITTEES AND WHAT HAVE YOU. YOU CAN HAVE A COMMITTEE TO WORK ON SOMETHING. I DO NOT KNOW IF YOU HAVE HAD MUCH EXPOSURE BUT IN FLORIDA WE HAVE THE SUNSHINE LAW, EVERY STATE DOES. IN FLORIDA, TWO PEOPLE IS A MEETING. BASICALLY, YOU CANNOT EVER DISCUSS ANYTHING OFF OF THE RECORD HAS TO BE IN A PUBLIC SETTING. THAT WORKS FOR MOST BOARDS THAT ONLY YOUR OBLIGATIONS AND THEN THEY GO HOME.

BUT, YOU ARE MORE OF A WORKING GROUP THAT IS VERY AWKWARD AND IT DOES NOT WORK WITHIN THE SUNSHINE VERY WELL.

SO, TO THE GREATEST EXTENT THAT YOU CAN DO YOUR WORK AS A COMMITTEE DURING THE MEETING THAT IS REALLY WHAT YOU SHOULD DO. IT IS VERY HARD TO KEEP YOUR MINDSET SEPARATE BECAUSE IF YOU ARE WORKING ON A PROJECT YOU CANNOT BE DOING IT OUTSIDE OF THE MEETING IF IT IS SOMETHING YOU ARE GOING TO VOTE ON. SO, IT IS MUCH BETTER IF YOU

CAN KEEP IT IN THE MEETING. >> CAN LEVERAGE ARTICLE 12 SECTION 12.7 THE LINKS THEY ARE GOING TO PROVIDE AND PROPOSE JUST A ROUGH DRAFT OF A PROCESS.

IF SOMEBODY WOULD LIKE TO COME THROUGH THE PRESERVATION BOARD, TO PRESENT AT THE NEXT -- JUST MYSELF --.

>> YOU ARE SORT OF AN TASK OF TAKING ON AND LOOKING ON THAT PROCESS.SO, YOU COULD DO THAT AND A DRAFT UP THE FLOWCHART.

>> JUST SO WE HAVE SOMETHING TO REACT TO IN THE MEETING.

>> YOU WOULD SUBMIT THAT TO THE STAFF, BETH OR MYSELF.

YOU HAVE NOW AGREED THIS NEEDS TO BE AN AGENDA ITEM RIGHT ON THE NEXT AGENDA. SO, YOU DO THE BACKGROUND WORK ON IT AND THEN SEND IT TO US AND WE WILL CREATE THE AGENDA ITEM AND PUT IT INTO THE AGENDA.

>> JUST TO BE CLEAR IT IS THE PROCESS IF SOMEBODY IS GOING TO APPROACH THE BOARD, SIMILAR TO WHAT MARY DID.

YOU'RE GOING TO SEND A LINK TO THE STATE.

SECTION ARTICLE 12 THAT KIND OF OUTLINES OUR RESPONSIBILITIES.

I WILL TRY TO LEVERAGE THOSE PIECES.

JUST TO PULL IN A HIGH-LEVEL PROCESS SO WE CAN HAVE SOMETHING TO REACT TO SO WE ARE NOT STARTING FROM SCRATCH.

>> I CAN PUT THAT ONTO A POWERPOINT PRESENTATION AND WE CAN ALL HAVEIT UP ON THE SCREEN AND YOU CAN TAKE IT LINE BY LINE AND WORK OUT WHAT YOU WANT.

BASICALLY DO THAT WORK AS A BODY.

SO, BY THE END OF THE NIGHT YOU HAVE SOMETHING FLESHED OUT.

>> SOUNDS GOOD. >> ANY OTHER BUSINESS?

[INAUDIBLE]. >> NO? WITH THAT IN MIND I MOVE THAT WE ADJOURN.

DO I HAVE A SECOND? >> SECOND.

>> ALL IN FAVOR OF A GERMAN AT THIS TIME SAY AYE.

>> AYE.

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